IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 244 - Agentic AI at IoT Scale!

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and the like front yeah I and the like front yeah I need life you know yeah uh you know what need life you know yeah uh you know what need life you know yeah uh you know what when he goes swimming I'll I'll test it when he goes swimming I'll I'll test it when he goes swimming I'll I'll test it see how how floatable it see how how floatable it see how how floatable it is yeah is yeah is yeah so hey guys let's start off with you so hey guys let's start off with you so hey guys let's start off with you blocked you guys see that news they they blocked you guys see that news they they blocked you guys see that news they they don't uh the cellular game right huh don't uh the cellular game right huh don't uh the cellular game right huh they left they're leaving the cellular they left they're leaving the cellular they left they're leaving the cellular market right yeah yeah interesting market right yeah yeah interesting market right yeah yeah interesting yeah yeah yeah Market cellular Market's yeah yeah yeah Market cellular Market's yeah yeah yeah Market cellular Market's tough Market as we all know very tough tough Market as we all know very tough tough Market as we all know very tough Market yeah people make it harder than Market yeah people make it harder than Market yeah people make it harder than it needs to be though it needs to be though it needs to be though like see this is gonna be good you you like see this is gonna be good you you like see this is gonna be good you you help us out here Ryan you tell us you help us out here Ryan you tell us you help us out here Ryan you tell us you know you know's funny is we uh freeway know you know's funny is we uh freeway know you know's funny is we uh freeway picked up cellular recently and then it picked up cellular recently and then it picked up cellular recently and then it made it it made me realize how how much made it it made me realize how how much made it it made me realize how how much harder everyone made it unnecessarily harder everyone made it unnecessarily harder everyone made it unnecessarily before like I think when I've shopped before like I think when I've shopped before like I think when I've shopped for cellular if if you guys have ever for cellular if if you guys have ever for cellular if if you guys have ever looked for cellular Solutions you hear looked for cellular Solutions you hear looked for cellular Solutions you hear the same questions right I mean I worked the same questions right I mean I worked the same questions right I mean I worked at Sprint Exile when I was in college at Sprint Exile when I was in college at Sprint Exile when I was in college and it's the same questions how much and it's the same questions how much and it's the same questions how much data are you using how many Sims do you data are you using how many Sims do you data are you using how many Sims do you need like those are really that's really need like those are really that's really need like those are really that's really all you need but then you go to try and all you need but then you go to try and all you need but then you go to try and purchase cellular and to get a to get a purchase cellular and to get a to get a purchase cellular and to get a to get a quote on cellular it's like you got to quote on cellular it's like you got to quote on cellular it's like you got to talk to a salesperson and have like six talk to a salesperson and have like six talk to a salesperson and have like six meetings with them meetings with them meetings with them unnecessarily and then the plans are unnecessarily and then the plans are unnecessarily and then the plans are really complicated they're like yeah we really complicated they're like yeah we really complicated they're like yeah we got this flexible plan and then you can

got this flexible plan and then you can got this flexible plan and then you can choose like random amounts of data and choose like random amounts of data and choose like random amounts of data and then like it's like you have to decode then like it's like you have to decode then like it's like you have to decode your bill you know your bill you know your bill you know like just give me a just tell me where like just give me a just tell me where like just give me a just tell me where you need service tell me how much how you need service tell me how much how you need service tell me how much how many Sims you need how much data you many Sims you need how much data you many Sims you need how much data you need and that should be it right it need and that should be it right it need and that should be it right it should be able to give you a price well should be able to give you a price well should be able to give you a price well they give you the uh they give you the they give you the uh they give you the they give you the uh they give you the you know no annual fee you just need to you know no annual fee you just need to you know no annual fee you just need to pay this one fee once a year pay this one fee once a year pay this one fee once a year so well that's other thing getting even so well that's other thing getting even so well that's other thing getting even getting like industrial customers are getting like industrial customers are getting like industrial customers are really big on going through Electrical really big on going through Electrical really big on going through Electrical Distributors for some of this stuff and Distributors for some of this stuff and Distributors for some of this stuff and they want to prepay for a year right but they want to prepay for a year right but they want to prepay for a year right but not everyone offers like payments not everyone offers like payments not everyone offers like payments because they say well we don't know what because they say well we don't know what because they say well we don't know what the data rates are going to be in the the data rates are going to be in the the data rates are going to be in the future and that's a risk for our company future and that's a risk for our company future and that's a risk for our company it's like okay but we're literally it's like okay but we're literally it's like okay but we're literally talking fractions of a hundredth of a talking fractions of a hundredth of a talking fractions of a hundredth of a penny usually so how much how much risk penny usually so how much how much risk penny usually so how much how much risk is there really when you have an is there really when you have an is there really when you have an industrial customer that's using a few industrial customer that's using a few industrial customer that's using a few hundred Sims so I don't know I think I hundred Sims so I don't know I think I hundred Sims so I don't know I think I think people make it harder than it think people make it harder than it think people make it harder than it needs to be really could be pretty needs to be really could be pretty needs to be really could be pretty pretty simple and straightforward well pretty simple and straightforward well pretty simple and straightforward well it's a licensed this is what happens it's a licensed this is what happens it's a licensed this is what happens when you have licensed uh Spectrum with when you have licensed uh Spectrum with when you have licensed uh Spectrum with you know quasi government agencies you you know quasi government agencies you you know quasi government agencies you know that still control this business know that still control this business know that still control this business and U even decade a decade two decades and U even decade a decade two decades and U even decade a decade two decades later it's still pretty pretty gnarly so later it's still pretty pretty gnarly so later it's still pretty pretty gnarly so yeah and that's why Telco struggles yeah and that's why Telco struggles yeah and that's why Telco struggles that's why Telco struggles you know yeah that's why Telco struggles you know yeah that's why Telco struggles you know yeah you should be able to self-manage it a you should be able to self-manage it a you should be able to self-manage it a lot better too like if you don't like if lot better too like if you don't like if lot better too like if you don't like if you're still having to email or call

you're still having to email or call you're still having to email or call someone and request like manual someone and request like manual someone and request like manual adjustments on your account like there's adjustments on your account like there's adjustments on your account like there's no reason a lot of these shouldn't have no reason a lot of these shouldn't have no reason a lot of these shouldn't have a a web portal to view your data in real a a web portal to view your data in real a a web portal to view your data in real time and manage time and manage time and manage agent yeah yeah cellular agent you know agent yeah yeah cellular agent you know agent yeah yeah cellular agent you know take maybe this is a perfect chat GPT take maybe this is a perfect chat GPT take maybe this is a perfect chat GPT task you know I don't know have you guys task you know I don't know have you guys task you know I don't know have you guys tried the chat GPT task yet the new tried the chat GPT task yet the new tried the chat GPT task yet the new feature they have task what is Task it's feature they have task what is Task it's feature they have task what is Task it's uh you can have it run manual like uh you can have it run manual like uh you can have it run manual like processes you could say like I want to processes you could say like I want to processes you could say like I want to learn French so every day send me a learn French so every day send me a learn French so every day send me a friend friend friend email or prompt uh so now you can have email or prompt uh so now you can have email or prompt uh so now you can have it doing work for you in the background it doing work for you in the background it doing work for you in the background I think think it's more who said cron oh I think think it's more who said cron oh I think think it's more who said cron oh it was Demitri and he he just said that it was Demitri and he he just said that it was Demitri and he he just said that he can't make he can't make he can't make it oh my God yeah no it's like um it oh my God yeah no it's like um it oh my God yeah no it's like um triggers and stored procedures if if Rob triggers and stored procedures if if Rob triggers and stored procedures if if Rob was here that's what he would be say was here that's what he would be say was here that's what he would be say then that if this then that well no it's then that if this then that well no it's then that if this then that well no it's worse than that because you know you're worse than that because you know you're worse than that because you know you're you're putting a probabilistic front end you're putting a probabilistic front end you're putting a probabilistic front end to something yeah that's true if this to something yeah that's true if this to something yeah that's true if this may be that yeah um H um but W did he may be that yeah um H um but W did he may be that yeah um H um but W did he get it right you're GNA say something I get it right you're GNA say something I get it right you're GNA say something I think you were gonna explain what this think you were gonna explain what this think you were gonna explain what this stuff was stuff was stuff was yeah um it's kind of like you know one yeah um it's kind of like you know one yeah um it's kind of like you know one step ahead of Siri right because you'll step ahead of Siri right because you'll step ahead of Siri right because you'll ask Siri something and she'll throw up a ask Siri something and she'll throw up a ask Siri something and she'll throw up a web page or something so I guess it'll web page or something so I guess it'll web page or something so I guess it'll try to go a little bit deeper than that try to go a little bit deeper than that try to go a little bit deeper than that um you know say Hey you know make your

um you know say Hey you know make your um you know say Hey you know make your coffee at 12 you know so I I guess it'll coffee at 12 you know so I I guess it'll coffee at 12 you know so I I guess it'll depend on depend on depend on how creative people get with the use how creative people get with the use how creative people get with the use cases basically you know it could send cases basically you know it could send cases basically you know it could send you like a notification to your phone or you like a notification to your phone or you like a notification to your phone or your um you desktop or something but your um you desktop or something but your um you desktop or something but yeah I don't know I I I was not overly yeah I don't know I I I was not overly yeah I don't know I I I was not overly impressed with this um but I would love impressed with this um but I would love impressed with this um but I would love to see you know like like he said about to see you know like like he said about to see you know like like he said about the french lesson thing you know that the french lesson thing you know that the french lesson thing you know that would be cool I would be cool I would be cool I guess but I haven't thought enough about guess but I haven't thought enough about guess but I haven't thought enough about it in terms of how to make it something it in terms of how to make it something it in terms of how to make it something that I really care about in a creative that I really care about in a creative that I really care about in a creative way but yeah yeah you know it's way but yeah yeah you know it's way but yeah yeah you know it's interesting you say that because we've interesting you say that because we've interesting you say that because we've like if you're a iOS user or Apple user like if you're a iOS user or Apple user like if you're a iOS user or Apple user they've had shortcuts they've had shortcuts they've had shortcuts forever right and so these are little forever right and so these are little forever right and so these are little interfaces to Applications where you can interfaces to Applications where you can interfaces to Applications where you can expose you know you can expose certain expose you know you can expose certain expose you know you can expose certain functions and then you can create functions and then you can create functions and then you can create automations and and and so a lot of what automations and and and so a lot of what automations and and and so a lot of what we're looking at or it I mean this we're looking at or it I mean this we're looking at or it I mean this agentic stuff is really boiling down to agentic stuff is really boiling down to agentic stuff is really boiling down to um you know uh a you know a RPA um you know uh a you know a RPA um you know uh a you know a RPA framework plus a um you know natural framework plus a um you know natural framework plus a um you know natural understanding layer on top which is your understanding layer on top which is your understanding layer on top which is your llm or what have you that's what we're llm or what have you that's what we're llm or what have you that's what we're looking at and and so the prevailing looking at and and so the prevailing looking at and and so the prevailing perception I think of a gentic AI is all perception I think of a gentic AI is all perception I think of a gentic AI is all you're going to have a llm that knows

you're going to have a llm that knows you're going to have a llm that knows how to plug into everything and solve how to plug into everything and solve how to plug into everything and solve all problems and it's going to interface all problems and it's going to interface all problems and it's going to interface with your screen and do all kinds of you with your screen and do all kinds of you with your screen and do all kinds of you know um functions autonomously and know um functions autonomously and know um functions autonomously and automatically for you and that's automatically for you and that's automatically for you and that's probably not going to be the case what probably not going to be the case what probably not going to be the case what we're going to see is something that we we're going to see is something that we we're going to see is something that we saw with llms at the GetGo you're going saw with llms at the GetGo you're going saw with llms at the GetGo you're going to find out um you need to uh number one to find out um you need to uh number one to find out um you need to uh number one feed this thing the proper context feed this thing the proper context feed this thing the proper context otherwise it just doesn't it's not up otherwise it just doesn't it's not up otherwise it just doesn't it's not up todate it's not relevant and it's todate it's not relevant and it's todate it's not relevant and it's actually quite useless actually quite useless actually quite useless so they you saw these rag Frameworks so they you saw these rag Frameworks so they you saw these rag Frameworks come about which are really I mean come about which are really I mean come about which are really I mean that's semantic search plus lln right that's semantic search plus lln right that's semantic search plus lln right exactly you know what I'm saying yeah exactly you know what I'm saying yeah exactly you know what I'm saying yeah yeah this stuff is not new I mean this yeah this stuff is not new I mean this yeah this stuff is not new I mean this and you know the crazy thing is we've and you know the crazy thing is we've and you know the crazy thing is we've been talking about this on on iot coffee been talking about this on on iot coffee been talking about this on on iot coffee talk for two years people two years and talk for two years people two years and talk for two years people two years and people are only starting to realize what people are only starting to realize what people are only starting to realize what these things these things these things are and um we're going to see the same are and um we're going to see the same are and um we're going to see the same thing with the Gent where they're going thing with the Gent where they're going thing with the Gent where they're going to realize oh you know what we can't we to realize oh you know what we can't we to realize oh you know what we can't we can't do what we're imagining or being can't do what we're imagining or being can't do what we're imagining or being told that these agentic AIS are we're told that these agentic AIS are we're told that these agentic AIS are we're going to have to do a rag type thing on going to have to do a rag type thing on going to have to do a rag type thing on the control end of the this Loop right the control end of the this Loop right the control end of the this Loop right because these agentic AIS really are because these agentic AIS really are because these agentic AIS really are supposed to be closed loop agents right supposed to be closed loop agents right supposed to be closed loop agents right so you're you're taking that llm bit and so you're you're taking that llm bit and so you're you're taking that llm bit and then now you're trying to create a then now you're trying to create a then now you're trying to create a virtual robot uh and this is you know

virtual robot uh and this is you know virtual robot uh and this is you know aut ideally an autonomous system where aut ideally an autonomous system where aut ideally an autonomous system where they're going to find out look we have they're going to find out look we have they're going to find out look we have all this Brownfield all this Brownfield all this Brownfield stuff uh and there systems that already stuff uh and there systems that already stuff uh and there systems that already exist we're going to have to rag on the exist we're going to have to rag on the exist we're going to have to rag on the other side you know but it we're going other side you know but it we're going other side you know but it we're going to probably call it something else it's to probably call it something else it's to probably call it something else it's not retrieval augmented generation it's not retrieval augmented generation it's not retrieval augmented generation it's going to be something like uh frakin AP going to be something like uh frakin AP going to be something like uh frakin AP you know like uh freaking I don't know you know like uh freaking I don't know you know like uh freaking I don't know what call we'll have to think about it what call we'll have to think about it what call we'll have to think about it but it's going to be like sort of the but it's going to be like sort of the but it's going to be like sort of the other end of rag yeah I think it's AA r other end of rag yeah I think it's AA r other end of rag yeah I think it's AA r g I think that's what it's called ar ar like a pirate ar like a pirate AR most of this AR most of this AR most of this stuff agentic augmented retrieval stuff agentic augmented retrieval stuff agentic augmented retrieval whatever when you're describing it I whatever when you're describing it I whatever when you're describing it I just think of having like a really just think of having like a really just think of having like a really confident really dumb intern you have to confident really dumb intern you have to confident really dumb intern you have to double check all their work on yeah like double check all their work on yeah like double check all their work on yeah like that's that's the way I'm say it's like that's that's the way I'm say it's like that's that's the way I'm say it's like you have to have someone to manage all you have to have someone to manage all you have to have someone to manage all the agents to do this Con the agents to do this Con the agents to do this Con like is this drifting well I think if like is this drifting well I think if like is this drifting well I think if the agent I mean as Leonard said too the agent I mean as Leonard said too the agent I mean as Leonard said too it's like you know if it's narrowly it's like you know if it's narrowly it's like you know if it's narrowly defined you know the more narrowly defined you know the more narrowly defined you know the more narrowly defined the more likelihood you'll get defined the more likelihood you'll get defined the more likelihood you'll get success out of it but um that's how it's success out of it but um that's how it's success out of it but um that's how it's going to start but but agents by going to start but but agents by going to start but but agents by definition you know get more value as definition you know get more value as definition you know get more value as they become more broad so that's going they become more broad so that's going they become more broad so that's going to be the Paradox is like how do you you to be the Paradox is like how do you you to be the Paradox is like how do you you know like agents ideally are crossing know like agents ideally are crossing know like agents ideally are crossing domains you know on your behalf I mean domains you know on your behalf I mean domains you know on your behalf I mean that's really hard um yeah I remember I

that's really hard um yeah I remember I that's really hard um yeah I remember I remember 20 years ago I programmed the F remember 20 years ago I programmed the F remember 20 years ago I programmed the F my first AI agents in in 2005 and these my first AI agents in in 2005 and these my first AI agents in in 2005 and these were based I think it was Marvin miny were based I think it was Marvin miny were based I think it was Marvin miny who wrote a book about that and it was a who wrote a book about that and it was a who wrote a book about that and it was a BDI agent so agent who had beliefs BDI agent so agent who had beliefs BDI agent so agent who had beliefs desires and desires and desires and intentions you needed to Define no what intentions you needed to Define no what intentions you needed to Define no what were the beliefs that that asan had know were the beliefs that that asan had know were the beliefs that that asan had know the the the desires and and Define the first desires and and Define the first desires and and Define the first intentions to to achieve the the the intentions to to achieve the the the intentions to to achieve the the the desires desires desires with the underground belief that it Hur with the underground belief that it Hur with the underground belief that it Hur so I think we need something like that so I think we need something like that so I think we need something like that right as well yeah top of L problem I right as well yeah top of L problem I right as well yeah top of L problem I think I think the the part that's think I think the the part that's think I think the the part that's getting lost is that it still is going getting lost is that it still is going getting lost is that it still is going to take a lot of human work to do this to take a lot of human work to do this to take a lot of human work to do this right and then also to maintain it and right and then also to maintain it and right and then also to maintain it and tweak it and stuff so it's not like this tweak it and stuff so it's not like this tweak it and stuff so it's not like this thing it's really not autonomous right thing it's really not autonomous right thing it's really not autonomous right it's like you you have to tell it what it's like you you have to tell it what it's like you you have to tell it what you want it to do and hope it doesn't go you want it to do and hope it doesn't go you want it to do and hope it doesn't go off the rails right yeah um um oh oh oh off the rails right yeah um um oh oh oh off the rails right yeah um um oh oh oh I have a iot thing I want to bring up oh I have a iot thing I want to bring up oh I have a iot thing I want to bring up oh yeah right on so I guess I saw I saw yeah right on so I guess I saw I saw yeah right on so I guess I saw I saw LinkedIn yesterday someone shared a LinkedIn yesterday someone shared a LinkedIn yesterday someone shared a video about a guy who was in autonomous video about a guy who was in autonomous video about a guy who was in autonomous vehicle and he was trying to get to the vehicle and he was trying to get to the vehicle and he was trying to get to the airport and it was just going around airport and it was just going around airport and it was just going around circles of the parking lot he could stop circles of the parking lot he could stop circles of the parking lot he could stop he could have stopped the car uh he he could have stopped the car uh he he could have stopped the car uh he called the the you know the agent or called the the you know the agent or called the the you know the agent or whatever they couldn't stop the car uh whatever they couldn't stop the car uh whatever they couldn't stop the car uh they told him to look at his app to stop

they told him to look at his app to stop they told him to look at his app to stop the car I mean it was just bananas but I the car I mean it was just bananas but I the car I mean it was just bananas but I don't know about you but I think like don't know about you but I think like don't know about you but I think like stopping the car is kind of basic major stopping the car is kind of basic major stopping the car is kind of basic major should have a big red button somewhere should have a big red button somewhere should have a big red button somewhere like a big handle you know like on the like a big handle you know like on the like a big handle you know like on the bus you pull that cord yeah they need an bus you pull that cord yeah they need an bus you pull that cord yeah they need an EOP in vehicle EOP in vehicle EOP in vehicle EOP they don't have an emergency EOP they don't have an emergency EOP they don't have an emergency override local like emergency stops it override local like emergency stops it override local like emergency stops it seems like that should be especially for seems like that should be especially for seems like that should be especially for I don't know maybe maybe with that I don't know maybe maybe with that I don't know maybe maybe with that they're worried about people slamming on they're worried about people slamming on they're worried about people slamming on the brakes hitting the EOP in the middle the brakes hitting the EOP in the middle the brakes hitting the EOP in the middle of traffic or something well I could do of traffic or something well I could do of traffic or something well I could do a little pullover or something I mean a little pullover or something I mean a little pullover or something I mean yeah well you know maybe the B it's in a mobile in the know maybe the B it's in a mobile in the mobile application somewhere experi mobile application somewhere experi mobile application somewhere experi designers put it in the right probably designers put it in the right probably designers put it in the right probably good to have a little physical over phal good to have a little physical over phal good to have a little physical over phal what if you don't have bad like cellular what if you don't have bad like cellular what if you don't have bad like cellular service or something or your your service or something or your your service or something or your your battery dies so how are you gonna like battery dies so how are you gonna like battery dies so how are you gonna like uh that's just so bad you know actually uh that's just so bad you know actually uh that's just so bad you know actually the EU passed a regulation that car the EU passed a regulation that car the EU passed a regulation that car makers can't put certain functions in makers can't put certain functions in makers can't put certain functions in the dashboard or on the apps because the dashboard or on the apps because the dashboard or on the apps because like stuff like that like stop in the like stuff like that like stop in the like stuff like that like stop in the car you shouldn't have to pull up a app car you shouldn't have to pull up a app car you shouldn't have to pull up a app to do that I'm like that's to do that I'm like that's to do that I'm like that's bananas to a stoplight you pull out your bananas to a stoplight you pull out your bananas to a stoplight you pull out your phone and you have to go navigate to an phone and you have to go navigate to an phone and you have to go navigate to an app to stop something that is ridiculous app to stop something that is ridiculous app to stop something that is ridiculous yeah you know so I don't know if you yeah you know so I don't know if you yeah you know so I don't know if you guys any of you guys have a Tesla but guys any of you guys have a Tesla but guys any of you guys have a Tesla but lately lately lately uh sometimes you can't open the door

uh sometimes you can't open the door uh sometimes you can't open the door that whatever that um mobile key thing that whatever that um mobile key thing that whatever that um mobile key thing doesn't work really I keep thinking of doesn't work really I keep thinking of doesn't work really I keep thinking of you know you always watch those uh you know you always watch those uh you know you always watch those uh horror movies where you know the the the horror movies where you know the the the horror movies where you know the the the bad guy or the murderer the Killer is bad guy or the murderer the Killer is bad guy or the murderer the Killer is chasing some lady and she's running for chasing some lady and she's running for chasing some lady and she's running for a car and she's fumbling for the keys a car and she's fumbling for the keys a car and she's fumbling for the keys and it's going to be people you know and it's going to be people you know and it's going to be people you know trying to open up their car you know trying to open up their car you know trying to open up their car you know with their um their mobile phone and the with their um their mobile phone and the with their um their mobile phone and the thing is not connected and then they get thing is not connected and then they get thing is not connected and then they get killed because the connectivity is not killed because the connectivity is not killed because the connectivity is not there it it it's getting it's getting um there it it it's getting it's getting um there it it it's getting it's getting um a little too much you know and I I think a little too much you know and I I think a little too much you know and I I think putting too much confidence into putting too much confidence into putting too much confidence into technologies that don't do what they do technologies that don't do what they do technologies that don't do what they do I think it's like it's a huge risk is it I think it's like it's a huge risk is it I think it's like it's a huge risk is it is it that the Technologies don't do is it that the Technologies don't do is it that the Technologies don't do what they do they supposed to do or what what they do they supposed to do or what what they do they supposed to do or what we expect them to do or is it that we we expect them to do or is it that we we expect them to do or is it that we choose the wrong Technologies for the choose the wrong Technologies for the choose the wrong Technologies for the wrong task we think that this one will wrong task we think that this one will wrong task we think that this one will sort it out guess what no it won't I had sort it out guess what no it won't I had sort it out guess what no it won't I had a interesting conversation this morning a interesting conversation this morning a interesting conversation this morning with uh someone working some industrial with uh someone working some industrial with uh someone working some industrial um projects and he was like kind of like um projects and he was like kind of like um projects and he was like kind of like talking about hey gen and slms and gen talking about hey gen and slms and gen talking about hey gen and slms and gen everywhere to solve all my industry for everywhere to solve all my industry for everywhere to solve all my industry for zero problems and I was zero problems and I was zero problems and I was like wait a second um so like to be fair like wait a second um so like to be fair like wait a second um so like to be fair to him he was not exactly saying that he to him he was not exactly saying that he to him he was not exactly saying that he was asking the question like how how was asking the question like how how was asking the question like how how much ji can we used down there and and much ji can we used down there and and much ji can we used down there and and um that made me think about all the um that made me think about all the um that made me think about all the people who were just like super excited people who were just like super excited people who were just like super excited about it and I'm just like yeah

about it and I'm just like yeah about it and I'm just like yeah interesting then agent aent agentic uh interesting then agent aent agentic uh interesting then agent aent agentic uh AI will solve it all and they you can AI will solve it all and they you can AI will solve it all and they you can have different agents talking to each have different agents talking to each have different agents talking to each other I was like wait a second there's other I was like wait a second there's other I was like wait a second there's something called you know distributed something called you know distributed something called you know distributed systems um something used to be called systems um something used to be called systems um something used to be called decom at some point in the past um you decom at some point in the past um you decom at some point in the past um you have robotics infrastructures that do have robotics infrastructures that do have robotics infrastructures that do all of that you want to add intelligence all of that you want to add intelligence all of that you want to add intelligence through machine learning AI no problem through machine learning AI no problem through machine learning AI no problem make some of these notes are in place or make some of these notes are in place or make some of these notes are in place or that can be put in place with an that can be put in place with an that can be put in place with an orchestrator and um a a a a a system orchestrator and um a a a a a system orchestrator and um a a a a a system that will allow them to communicate uh that will allow them to communicate uh that will allow them to communicate uh and and then you know just put the and and then you know just put the and and then you know just put the intelligence at the right level intelligence at the right level intelligence at the right level sometimes you need the intelligence at sometimes you need the intelligence at sometimes you need the intelligence at the sensor level with tiny ml with a and the sensor level with tiny ml with a and the sensor level with tiny ml with a and and make sure that this sensor doesn't and make sure that this sensor doesn't and make sure that this sensor doesn't just give you raw data but gives you hey just give you raw data but gives you hey just give you raw data but gives you hey here's an anomaly uh and then you can here's an anomaly uh and then you can here's an anomaly uh and then you can have you can have some gen here and have you can have some gen here and have you can have some gen here and there is there's an interface to an there is there's an interface to an there is there's an interface to an operator or you want to have something operator or you want to have something operator or you want to have something that automates some scenarios but at the that automates some scenarios but at the that automates some scenarios but at the end of the day it comes down to a end of the day it comes down to a end of the day it comes down to a distributed system a softwar defined distributed system a softwar defined distributed system a softwar defined distributed system that exists uh how do distributed system that exists uh how do distributed system that exists uh how do we enhance it versus trying to replace we enhance it versus trying to replace we enhance it versus trying to replace everything with one big brain that is everything with one big brain that is everything with one big brain that is trying to do everything and will do it trying to do everything and will do it trying to do everything and will do it wrong um and now you go back to having a wrong um and now you go back to having a wrong um and now you go back to having a single point of failure which I don't single point of failure which I don't single point of failure which I don't see any industrial or any you know see any industrial or any you know see any industrial or any you know machine or system manufacturers uh being machine or system manufacturers uh being machine or system manufacturers uh being willing to bet on you know a single willing to bet on you know a single willing to bet on you know a single point of failure for a super expensive point of failure for a super expensive point of failure for a super expensive system no way it won't go there and it's system no way it won't go there and it's system no way it won't go there and it's not the way it's going to be done it's not the way it's going to be done it's not the way it's going to be done it's going to be done by Distributing that

going to be done by Distributing that going to be done by Distributing that intelligence in my opinion where it's intelligence in my opinion where it's intelligence in my opinion where it's needed in the form that is needed not needed in the form that is needed not needed in the form that is needed not just all one thing yeah and and you know just all one thing yeah and and you know just all one thing yeah and and you know so yeah there's all this conver I mean so yeah there's all this conver I mean so yeah there's all this conver I mean how much are you hearing about AI native how much are you hearing about AI native how much are you hearing about AI native because that's all over the place in because that's all over the place in because that's all over the place in Telco it's been there for a while Telco it's been there for a while Telco it's been there for a while actually for Telco but with the Advent actually for Telco but with the Advent actually for Telco but with the Advent of these llms now it's just gone Bonkers of these llms now it's just gone Bonkers of these llms now it's just gone Bonkers and you have like Nvidia going around and you have like Nvidia going around and you have like Nvidia going around shopping around airand they've created a shopping around airand they've created a shopping around airand they've created a whole Consortium around promoting this whole Consortium around promoting this whole Consortium around promoting this stuff and you know uh I know the guys stuff and you know uh I know the guys stuff and you know uh I know the guys that are you know the thought leaders that are you know the thought leaders that are you know the thought leaders and all this stuff um I I appreciate the and all this stuff um I I appreciate the and all this stuff um I I appreciate the thinking um it's not novel but it's also thinking um it's not novel but it's also thinking um it's not novel but it's also whoa you know but how much are you you whoa you know but how much are you you whoa you know but how much are you you hearing about AI native stuff in the hearing about AI native stuff in the hearing about AI native stuff in the quote unquote iot space and in quote unquote iot space and in quote unquote iot space and in particular you know Olivia or well particular you know Olivia or well particular you know Olivia or well whoever yeah I'm just let's start off whoever yeah I'm just let's start off whoever yeah I'm just let's start off oliv because I'm really curious about oliv because I'm really curious about oliv because I'm really curious about what he saying is this like Intel Inside what he saying is this like Intel Inside what he saying is this like Intel Inside huh is this kind of Intel inside or huh is this kind of Intel inside or huh is this kind of Intel inside or inside inside inside no no no no more like Blackwell inside is what I've not heard any one in my like what I've not heard any one in my like circles talking about snitt that's not circles talking about snitt that's not circles talking about snitt that's not the the the thing okay yeah I haven't I haven't se

thing okay yeah I haven't I haven't se thing okay yeah I haven't I haven't se Cloud native not AI native but Cloud Cloud native not AI native but Cloud Cloud native not AI native but Cloud native that's that's an Cloud native native that's that's an Cloud native native that's that's an Cloud native sure AI native it's kind of a I don't sure AI native it's kind of a I don't sure AI native it's kind of a I don't know if to say it's an oxymoron but I know if to say it's an oxymoron but I know if to say it's an oxymoron but I don't understand what that means but don't understand what that means but don't understand what that means but yeah but then you know what some people yeah but then you know what some people yeah but then you know what some people just like consider AI being software so just like consider AI being software so just like consider AI being software so like you know software native anything like you know software native anything like you know software native anything that has a piece of intelligence like that has a piece of intelligence like that has a piece of intelligence like you want to say it's AR icial you want to say it's AR icial you want to say it's AR icial intelligence it's just like simple intelligence it's just like simple intelligence it's just like simple software but it's also you know Hardware software but it's also you know Hardware software but it's also you know Hardware acceleration in the platform acceleration in the platform acceleration in the platform acceleration in the hardware platform acceleration in the hardware platform acceleration in the hardware platform too so ideally you've got the whole too so ideally you've got the whole too so ideally you've got the whole stack could be you know AI native right stack could be you know AI native right stack could be you know AI native right which means like it's accelerated you which means like it's accelerated you which means like it's accelerated you got the models you got the deployment got the models you got the deployment got the models you got the deployment you've got the management and you've got the management and you've got the management and orchestration like all the way up to the orchestration like all the way up to the orchestration like all the way up to the cloud it's tuned to to use AI models AI cloud it's tuned to to use AI models AI cloud it's tuned to to use AI models AI ml models I don't know we're guessing ml models I don't know we're guessing ml models I don't know we're guessing right now I have a question right now I have a question right now I have a question yeah I I didn't attend CES but I saw uh yeah I I didn't attend CES but I saw uh yeah I I didn't attend CES but I saw uh Leonard's reporting and I saw a lot of Leonard's reporting and I saw a lot of Leonard's reporting and I saw a lot of uh I read a lot of articles about what uh I read a lot of articles about what uh I read a lot of articles about what was happening at CES and actually uh I was happening at CES and actually uh I was happening at CES and actually uh I got a lot of emails from people that got a lot of emails from people that got a lot of emails from people that don't know anything about CEs and so don't know anything about CEs and so don't know anything about CEs and so some of the stuff they heard was very some of the stuff they heard was very some of the stuff they heard was very alarming uh that was happening but what alarming uh that was happening but what alarming uh that was happening but what I saw uh was just a lot the stuff people I saw uh was just a lot the stuff people I saw uh was just a lot the stuff people sent me that kind of had my jaw dropping sent me that kind of had my jaw dropping sent me that kind of had my jaw dropping was we trying to add we're trying to was we trying to add we're trying to was we trying to add we're trying to make things I that probably should not make things I that probably should not make things I that probably should not be I like like the the mirror um your be I like like the the mirror um your be I like like the the mirror um your bathroom that's supposed to you look at

bathroom that's supposed to you look at bathroom that's supposed to you look at and it's supposed to give you some type and it's supposed to give you some type and it's supposed to give you some type of Health you know analysis maybe you're of Health you know analysis maybe you're of Health you know analysis maybe you're a heartbeat or something like that I'm a heartbeat or something like that I'm a heartbeat or something like that I'm like why people why it's like you know like why people why it's like you know like why people why it's like you know we're just I think when you look at your we're just I think when you look at your we're just I think when you look at your mirror in the morning it should give you mirror in the morning it should give you mirror in the morning it should give you a positive affirmation I should say you a positive affirmation I should say you a positive affirmation I should say you look awesome bu look awesome bu look awesome bu that right right but I'm like you're that right right but I'm like you're that right right but I'm like you're crush it today you're adding overly crush it today you're adding overly crush it today you're adding overly complicating stuff but I think to me complicating stuff but I think to me complicating stuff but I think to me it's it's very much like a data grab it's it's very much like a data grab it's it's very much like a data grab right because I think companies want right because I think companies want right because I think companies want companies can do more with data if they companies can do more with data if they companies can do more with data if they get it from someone in a first party get it from someone in a first party get it from someone in a first party data relationship so right by them data relationship so right by them data relationship so right by them adding all these features that grab data adding all these features that grab data adding all these features that grab data they can use it in a way that they they can use it in a way that they they can use it in a way that they couldn't do if it was just a third party couldn't do if it was just a third party couldn't do if it was just a third party data relationship that's what I think data relationship that's what I think data relationship that's what I think yeah by the way I just want to say that yeah by the way I just want to say that yeah by the way I just want to say that you're prophetic because the week before you're prophetic because the week before you're prophetic because the week before you guys were talking about the APPL you guys were talking about the APPL you guys were talking about the APPL Town stuff and you you teed it off with Town stuff and you you teed it off with Town stuff and you you teed it off with asking about um apples move into the asking about um apples move into the asking about um apples move into the home and that was that was clutch um home and that was that was clutch um home and that was that was clutch um it's a big theme and you're right um it's a big theme and you're right um it's a big theme and you're right um there was a lot of that stuff but there was a lot of that stuff but there was a lot of that stuff but everything you just said is everything you just said is everything you just said is basically toxic for a innovator at least basically toxic for a innovator at least basically toxic for a innovator at least that they're going to think that right that they're going to think that right that they're going to think that right and and that is the problem people and and that is the problem people and and that is the problem people don't have those guard rails in in terms don't have those guard rails in in terms don't have those guard rails in in terms of thinking about the data they look at

of thinking about the data they look at of thinking about the data they look at data now as an enabler and then data now as an enabler and then data now as an enabler and then increasingly because of the behavior of increasingly because of the behavior of increasingly because of the behavior of some big tech companies uh their right some big tech companies uh their right some big tech companies uh their right right they have the right to this rather right they have the right to this rather right they have the right to this rather than this mindset of asking for consent than this mindset of asking for consent than this mindset of asking for consent and a lot of it has you know a lot of it and a lot of it has you know a lot of it and a lot of it has you know a lot of it has to do with has to do with has to do with um um um um the this impetus or this drive to um the this impetus or this drive to um the this impetus or this drive to acquire data now especially as you start acquire data now especially as you start acquire data now especially as you start to talk about to talk about to talk about personalization and that I think really personalization and that I think really personalization and that I think really creepy because it's one thing to have creepy because it's one thing to have creepy because it's one thing to have personalization at a at a public level personalization at a at a public level personalization at a at a public level because if you're participating in a because if you're participating in a because if you're participating in a public forum there is some license that public forum there is some license that public forum there is some license that you're providing to the platform for um you're providing to the platform for um you're providing to the platform for um you know um engaging in a freemium model you know um engaging in a freemium model you know um engaging in a freemium model uh in that platform and if you're uh in that platform and if you're uh in that platform and if you're engaging yeah okay they might have some engaging yeah okay they might have some engaging yeah okay they might have some license to your information or what is license to your information or what is license to your information or what is publicly issued there but when you start publicly issued there but when you start publicly issued there but when you start to get into personalization that's all to get into personalization that's all to get into personalization that's all about you that architecture has to look about you that architecture has to look about you that architecture has to look very different and I don't think the very different and I don't think the very different and I don't think the prevailing mindset of how people think prevailing mindset of how people think prevailing mindset of how people think about data and privacy has translated about data and privacy has translated about data and privacy has translated down into um you know a these personal down into um you know a these personal down into um you know a these personal devices right uh cons personal consumer devices right uh cons personal consumer devices right uh cons personal consumer devices and so you have people that are devices and so you have people that are devices and so you have people that are inventing stuff or innovating inventing stuff or innovating inventing stuff or innovating or these applications that have none of

or these applications that have none of or these applications that have none of that stuff in mind and so yeah I think that stuff in mind and so yeah I think that stuff in mind and so yeah I think we're going to continue to see we're going to continue to see we're going to continue to see increasingly creepy stuff especially as increasingly creepy stuff especially as increasingly creepy stuff especially as people try to bring generative AI into people try to bring generative AI into people try to bring generative AI into the picture and try to drive the picture and try to drive the picture and try to drive personalization off of that and when you personalization off of that and when you personalization off of that and when you ask PE ask PE ask PE anybody how do you port the how is this anybody how do you port the how is this anybody how do you port the how is this data portable or this information data portable or this information data portable or this information portable or this model portable there's portable or this model portable there's portable or this model portable there's not good not good not good answers don't you think Leonard that uh answers don't you think Leonard that uh answers don't you think Leonard that uh we find it creepy today this kind of we find it creepy today this kind of we find it creepy today this kind of scenarios in use cases but as soon as scenarios in use cases but as soon as scenarios in use cases but as soon as it's going to bring us value in any it's going to bring us value in any it's going to bring us value in any shape or form we'll forget it was creepy shape or form we'll forget it was creepy shape or form we'll forget it was creepy like look at Google Maps at the very like look at Google Maps at the very like look at Google Maps at the very beginning it was it was creepy that beginning it was it was creepy that beginning it was it was creepy that Google tracking you everywhere right but Google tracking you everywhere right but Google tracking you everywhere right but now no one really cares or realize or or now no one really cares or realize or or now no one really cares or realize or or even if they realize it just accept the even if they realize it just accept the even if they realize it just accept the fact that Google knows where you are all fact that Google knows where you are all fact that Google knows where you are all the time because it gives you so much the time because it gives you so much the time because it gives you so much value that it it actually overweight the value that it it actually overweight the value that it it actually overweight the problem of your own privacy and you're problem of your own privacy and you're problem of your own privacy and you're just like I'm going to give away some of just like I'm going to give away some of just like I'm going to give away some of my privacy because it gives me such a my privacy because it gives me such a my privacy because it gives me such a service and value that's I'm okay with service and value that's I'm okay with service and value that's I'm okay with that that's a long that's a longstanding that that's a long that's a longstanding that that's a long that's a longstanding trend as people are giving up privacy trend as people are giving up privacy trend as people are giving up privacy and exchange you me look at Facebook a and exchange you me look at Facebook a and exchange you me look at Facebook a classic example right yeah all kinds of classic example right yeah all kinds of classic example right yeah all kinds of stuff on there I think the key is stuff on there I think the key is stuff on there I think the key is benefit to the individual right so some benefit to the individual right so some benefit to the individual right so some of these thing I don't see how a mirror of these thing I don't see how a mirror of these thing I don't see how a mirror that is supposed to take my health that is supposed to take my health that is supposed to take my health information basically I'm sharing my information basically I'm sharing my information basically I'm sharing my health information with someone who health information with someone who health information with someone who makes a toaster right um I don't see makes a toaster right um I don't see makes a toaster right um I don't see that how that benefits me I can see how

that how that benefits me I can see how that how that benefits me I can see how it benefits you because you want to use it benefits you because you want to use it benefits you because you want to use that data or sell it or do whatever with that data or sell it or do whatever with that data or sell it or do whatever with it but when you get when you get away it but when you get when you get away it but when you get when you get away from the benefit to the person I think from the benefit to the person I think from the benefit to the person I think because more yeah CES there's a lot of because more yeah CES there's a lot of because more yeah CES there's a lot of this kind of help this kind of help this kind of help kind of measurement meas you know and kind of measurement meas you know and kind of measurement meas you know and I'm I'm a big fan actually of doing the I'm I'm a big fan actually of doing the I'm I'm a big fan actually of doing the self measurement of things you know self measurement of things you know self measurement of things you know whether it's your Apple watch your scale whether it's your Apple watch your scale whether it's your Apple watch your scale you know all these all these factors you know all these all these factors you know all these all these factors that over time and Trends you know that that over time and Trends you know that that over time and Trends you know that that could be helpful to you so I I that could be helpful to you so I I that could be helpful to you so I I could see how some of these things you could see how some of these things you could see how some of these things you know like the scales are really getting know like the scales are really getting know like the scales are really getting pretty sophisticated right in terms of pretty sophisticated right in terms of pretty sophisticated right in terms of measuring things about yourself um that measuring things about yourself um that measuring things about yourself um that could be helpful for you to understand could be helpful for you to understand could be helpful for you to understand and that could translate you know into and that could translate you know into and that could translate you know into your you know if you're doing food your you know if you're doing food your you know if you're doing food logging and things like that that could logging and things like that that could logging and things like that that could translate into some pretty good um translate into some pretty good um translate into some pretty good um change in habits um so I I could see it change in habits um so I I could see it change in habits um so I I could see it but you know you're right it's like but you know you're right it's like but you know you're right it's like you're you're really giving up quite a you're you're really giving up quite a you're you're really giving up quite a bit of personal data and and how are you bit of personal data and and how are you bit of personal data and and how are you ensured that that stuff's going to stay ensured that that stuff's going to stay ensured that that stuff's going to stay stay put yeah like Sam so an example stay put yeah like Sam so an example stay put yeah like Sam so an example another one I saw was the Samsung another one I saw was the Samsung another one I saw was the Samsung refrigerator where they're in a deal refrigerator where they're in a deal refrigerator where they're in a deal with instacart I believe where they're with instacart I believe where they're with instacart I believe where they're basically going to have a camera above basically going to have a camera above basically going to have a camera above the door or your refrigerator it's going the door or your refrigerator it's going the door or your refrigerator it's going to be recording what goes in and out and to be recording what goes in and out and to be recording what goes in and out and then they're going to have cameras then they're going to have cameras then they're going to have cameras inside the refrigerator to tell what you inside the refrigerator to tell what you inside the refrigerator to tell what you have in there and the idea is that it'll have in there and the idea is that it'll have in there and the idea is that it'll start ordering things from instacart or start ordering things from instacart or start ordering things from instacart or putting things in your cart based on putting things in your cart based on putting things in your cart based on what they think that you're running out what they think that you're running out what they think that you're running out of or whatever right but then also you of or whatever right but then also you of or whatever right but then also you know my in my my view basically we're know my in my my view basically we're know my in my my view basically we're gonna have these agent AI we like hey

gonna have these agent AI we like hey gonna have these agent AI we like hey Leonard has his credit card attached Leonard has his credit card attached Leonard has his credit card attached this account let's buy other stuff not this account let's buy other stuff not this account let's buy other stuff not just instart stuff Let's uh defraud him just instart stuff Let's uh defraud him just instart stuff Let's uh defraud him and use his credit card or they like you and use his credit card or they like you and use his credit card or they like you know this uh let me you know um lard all know this uh let me you know um lard all know this uh let me you know um lard all he does buy crap like pizza and stuff so he does buy crap like pizza and stuff so he does buy crap like pizza and stuff so you know let's send it let's sell this you know let's send it let's sell this you know let's send it let's sell this data to his health insurance because data to his health insurance because data to his health insurance because probably needs to have higher send a probably needs to have higher send a probably needs to have higher send a coupon for Hot Pockets coupon for Hot Pockets coupon for Hot Pockets yeah right exactly but I mean that that yeah right exactly but I mean that that yeah right exactly but I mean that that data sale you know channel is there data sale you know channel is there data sale you know channel is there right and so it's kind of a a a right and so it's kind of a a a right and so it's kind of a a a background Market there that I'm background Market there that I'm background Market there that I'm concerned about you know if it were only concerned about you know if it were only concerned about you know if it were only if it were innocent intent right if it were innocent intent right if it were innocent intent right uh where that data could not go anywhere uh where that data could not go anywhere uh where that data could not go anywhere wouldn't be sold to other people you wouldn't be sold to other people you wouldn't be sold to other people you know a lot of these companies are super know a lot of these companies are super know a lot of these companies are super interested in this right so these data interested in this right so these data interested in this right so these data Brokers they want to take they want as Brokers they want to take they want as Brokers they want to take they want as many data points about people as many data points about people as many data points about people as possible so that's a very unregulated possible so that's a very unregulated possible so that's a very unregulated space and so that's what I'm concerned space and so that's what I'm concerned space and so that's what I'm concerned about with I'm I'm going to throw about with I'm I'm going to throw about with I'm I'm going to throw something in here that's goingon to it something in here that's goingon to it something in here that's goingon to it should disturb everybody about all this should disturb everybody about all this should disturb everybody about all this agentic stuff where it's networked and agentic stuff where it's networked and agentic stuff where it's networked and it's working in coll operation if you it's working in coll operation if you it's working in coll operation if you look at what one of the biggest look at what one of the biggest look at what one of the biggest challenges in the Rand network is they challenges in the Rand network is they challenges in the Rand network is they tried to introduce you know like realize tried to introduce you know like realize tried to introduce you know like realize intent driven Network management intent driven Network management intent driven Network management orchestration all that stuff is orchestration all that stuff is orchestration all that stuff is conflict so these all these agents they conflict so these all these agents they conflict so these all these agents they might not be um uh you know they might

might not be um uh you know they might might not be um uh you know they might not be going off of the same you know not be going off of the same you know not be going off of the same you know sheet of sheet of sheet of music and they might have conflicting music and they might have conflicting music and they might have conflicting interest with conflicting timing uh interest with conflicting timing uh interest with conflicting timing uh conflicting intent which all may be conflicting intent which all may be conflicting intent which all may be based on some interpretation of what based on some interpretation of what based on some interpretation of what your intent and your preferences and your intent and your preferences and your intent and your preferences and what have you are and that can cause a what have you are and that can cause a what have you are and that can cause a cascading um cascading um cascading um catastrophic uh issue and these are like catastrophic uh issue and these are like catastrophic uh issue and these are like real things a as AI researchers have real things a as AI researchers have real things a as AI researchers have looked into how do we how do we looked into how do we how do we looked into how do we how do we autonomization autonomization autonomization [Music] um in concert you have to uh you know um in concert you have to uh you know this uh objective of um optimizing the this uh objective of um optimizing the this uh objective of um optimizing the system falls short because there's system falls short because there's system falls short because there's conflict and um think about how that can conflict and um think about how that can conflict and um think about how that can impact your personal impact your personal impact your personal life you know and um life you know and um life you know and um here it's but and it all boils down to here it's but and it all boils down to here it's but and it all boils down to this is an experimental technology quite this is an experimental technology quite this is an experimental technology quite frankly it was not never ready for prime frankly it was not never ready for prime frankly it was not never ready for prime time um you know I recently posted on time um you know I recently posted on time um you know I recently posted on LinkedIn and it it was riffing off of LinkedIn and it it was riffing off of LinkedIn and it it was riffing off of Rick bolad's post where he he um Rick bolad's post where he he um Rick bolad's post where he he um prompted um I think it was gemini or prompted um I think it was gemini or prompted um I think it was gemini or Google search uh with the question of uh Google search uh with the question of uh Google search uh with the question of uh you know how quickly will water freeze you know how quickly will water freeze you know how quickly will water freeze at what is it 20 something degrees and

at what is it 20 something degrees and at what is it 20 something degrees and it made all these false statements right it made all these false statements right it made all these false statements right um at the bottom it says Google has to um at the bottom it says Google has to um at the bottom it says Google has to disclaim generative AI is disclaim generative AI is disclaim generative AI is experimental you know the Le arguably experimental you know the Le arguably experimental you know the Le arguably the leading company in generative the leading company in generative the leading company in generative Ai and this is their Prime Ai and this is their Prime Ai and this is their Prime application and it just I don't know you application and it just I don't know you application and it just I don't know you you hey anybody out there help me out you hey anybody out there help me out you hey anybody out there help me out here how do I reconcile that with a lot here how do I reconcile that with a lot here how do I reconcile that with a lot of the narratives that everyone's of the narratives that everyone's of the narratives that everyone's running around with most people are running around with most people are running around with most people are running around with and like to what running around with and like to what running around with and like to what Olivia was saying there are people out Olivia was saying there are people out Olivia was saying there are people out there who are talking about um what is there who are talking about um what is there who are talking about um what is IT industry 5.0 and how agentic AI is IT industry 5.0 and how agentic AI is IT industry 5.0 and how agentic AI is going to enable this new vision of like going to enable this new vision of like going to enable this new vision of like the the the automated Factory and all this stuff and automated Factory and all this stuff and automated Factory and all this stuff and it's like you have to balance the fact it's like you have to balance the fact it's like you have to balance the fact that the physical world with the virtual that the physical world with the virtual that the physical world with the virtual world right there are physical actual world right there are physical actual world right there are physical actual real practices that you can Institute real practices that you can Institute real practices that you can Institute that can get you determinist I mean that can get you determinist I mean that can get you determinist I mean we've been doing it for we've been doing it for we've been doing it for decades uh you know all these practices decades uh you know all these practices decades uh you know all these practices that can um Foster very efficient High that can um Foster very efficient High that can um Foster very efficient High reliability manufacturing production reliability manufacturing production reliability manufacturing production productivity right we have those things productivity right we have those things productivity right we have those things in in in place and um you know we hear about the place and um you know we hear about the place and um you know we hear about the network we hear about industry like the network we hear about industry like the network we hear about industry like the 69 59 that's like amazing precision and 69 59 that's like amazing precision and 69 59 that's like amazing precision and human largely done by humans and

human largely done by humans and human largely done by humans and deterministic logic and systems deterministic logic and systems deterministic logic and systems then you're going to come in and then you're going to come in and then you're going to come in and add anywhere from one to 30 to add anywhere from one to 30 to add anywhere from one to 30 to 50% error rate into this with this 50% error rate into this with this 50% error rate into this with this notion that you're going to automate notion that you're going to automate notion that you're going to automate everything in a closed everything in a closed everything in a closed loop on a complex system that often loop on a complex system that often loop on a complex system that often times is real time and we're not talking times is real time and we're not talking times is real time and we're not talking about it real time we're talking about about it real time we're talking about about it real time we're talking about industrial Network machine real industrial Network machine real industrial Network machine real time which it people largely don't know time which it people largely don't know time which it people largely don't know because they're working with information because they're working with information because they're working with information systems systems systems right and this this connect is just right and this this connect is just right and this this connect is just phenomenal um you see it everywhere you phenomenal um you see it everywhere you phenomenal um you see it everywhere you see and and you know you guys know how see and and you know you guys know how see and and you know you guys know how broad my research is right I have to broad my research is right I have to broad my research is right I have to witness all this stuff and it it it just witness all this stuff and it it it just witness all this stuff and it it it just freaks me out you know what I'm saying freaks me out you know what I'm saying freaks me out you know what I'm saying it really freaks me out how disconnected it really freaks me out how disconnected it really freaks me out how disconnected people are and you know the guys who do people are and you know the guys who do people are and you know the guys who do the AI data Center the AI data Center the AI data Center stuff they know that stuff really well stuff they know that stuff really well stuff they know that stuff really well they don't know anything above it cuz they don't know anything above it cuz they don't know anything above it cuz they're so fixated on interconnect they're so fixated on interconnect they're so fixated on interconnect what's the new interconnect technology what's the new interconnect technology what's the new interconnect technology oh what's the new um what Advanced oh what's the new um what Advanced oh what's the new um what Advanced packaging blah blah blah stuff that packaging blah blah blah stuff that packaging blah blah blah stuff that business people don't give a flying crap business people don't give a flying crap business people don't give a flying crap about they all they care about is all about they all they care about is all about they all they care about is all they can understand is maybe the chip they can understand is maybe the chip they can understand is maybe the chip anything underneath it and they even anything underneath it and they even anything underneath it and they even they get the chip they get the chip they get the chip wrong you know so it it's a mess it's a

wrong you know so it it's a mess it's a wrong you know so it it's a mess it's a it's a it's it's a huge it's a it's it's a huge it's a it's it's a huge mess mess mess okay it is fair enough you think a okay it is fair enough you think a okay it is fair enough you think a matter of time to fix that don't you matter of time to fix that don't you matter of time to fix that don't you think this is a of time to fix think this is a of time to fix think this is a of time to fix this ah um yeah you know it's really this ah um yeah you know it's really this ah um yeah you know it's really tough because hype hype I mean I talked tough because hype hype I mean I talked tough because hype hype I mean I talked about it yesterday at the folks at about it yesterday at the folks at about it yesterday at the folks at Princeton one of the biggest challenge Princeton one of the biggest challenge Princeton one of the biggest challenge everyone has is everyone has is everyone has is um is dealing with the hype because it's um is dealing with the hype because it's um is dealing with the hype because it's so delusional even what and a lot of so delusional even what and a lot of so delusional even what and a lot of these folks were looking for jobs and these folks were looking for jobs and these folks were looking for jobs and they were asking for advice how do I they were asking for advice how do I they were asking for advice how do I build my career in um te quote unquote build my career in um te quote unquote build my career in um te quote unquote Tech right I told them you know it's Tech right I told them you know it's Tech right I told them you know it's really tough because you know up and really tough because you know up and really tough because you know up and down the stack whether it's from the down the stack whether it's from the down the stack whether it's from the executive and what the executive and the executive and what the executive and the executive and what the executive and the board is issued in terms of mandate and board is issued in terms of mandate and board is issued in terms of mandate and priorities to the organization to the HR priorities to the organization to the HR priorities to the organization to the HR people and to the product teams and what people and to the product teams and what people and to the product teams and what they focus on and the customers and what they focus on and the customers and what they focus on and the customers and what they focus on a lot of it is being they focus on a lot of it is being they focus on a lot of it is being distracted by hyp so all these distracted by hyp so all these distracted by hyp so all these experimentation that's being couched as experimentation that's being couched as experimentation that's being couched as Innovation they these basically chaotic Innovation they these basically chaotic Innovation they these basically chaotic um you know Adventures are dominating um you know Adventures are dominating um you know Adventures are dominating everything and so as a person looking everything and so as a person looking everything and so as a person looking for a job trying to build a career you for a job trying to build a career you for a job trying to build a career you have to contend with this thing and have to contend with this thing and have to contend with this thing and there are so many bad experiment there are so many bad experiment there are so many bad experiment experiments going on

experiments going on experiments going on that it's hard to find stability in in that it's hard to find stability in in that it's hard to find stability in in building your career right and think building your career right and think building your career right and think about the iot how many people went in about the iot how many people went in about the iot how many people went in looking at these massive numbers and and looking at these massive numbers and and looking at these massive numbers and and you know Promises of you know you know Promises of you know you know Promises of you know astronomical blah blah astronomical blah blah astronomical blah blah blah how did that turn out and I feel so blah how did that turn out and I feel so blah how did that turn out and I feel so bad for the community you know what I'm bad for the community you know what I'm bad for the community you know what I'm saying and these are the things that I saying and these are the things that I saying and these are the things that I mean uh that I'm passionate about I get mean uh that I'm passionate about I get mean uh that I'm passionate about I get pissed off about this stuff I don't know pissed off about this stuff I don't know pissed off about this stuff I don't know it's probably bad to get pissed off but it's probably bad to get pissed off but it's probably bad to get pissed off but it it does upset me and why I I you know it it does upset me and why I I you know it it does upset me and why I I you know I think all of us probably have this I think all of us probably have this I think all of us probably have this reaction uh and sort of this underlying reaction uh and sort of this underlying reaction uh and sort of this underlying mission to demystify and dehype things mission to demystify and dehype things mission to demystify and dehype things because it's not it's not healthy you because it's not it's not healthy you because it's not it's not healthy you know right it's not healthy it really know right it's not healthy it really know right it's not healthy it really isn't and you know the reason why you isn't and you know the reason why you isn't and you know the reason why you subscribe to Hype is because you don't subscribe to Hype is because you don't subscribe to Hype is because you don't know any better quite honestly you don't know any better quite honestly you don't know any better quite honestly you don't know any better you didn't do your know any better you didn't do your know any better you didn't do your homework bottom line seriously homework bottom line seriously homework bottom line seriously and um I don't know I did I have a bad and um I don't know I did I have a bad and um I don't know I did I have a bad week yeah seems like someone peed in week yeah seems like someone peed in week yeah seems like someone peed in your cornflakes this morning oh my gosh your cornflakes this morning oh my gosh your cornflakes this morning oh my gosh what the what the what the hell let it all out man this is so more hell let it all out man this is so more hell let it all out man this is so more carbs need more good therapy charge you keep me sane every week even charge you keep me sane every week even though I'm highly though I'm highly though I'm highly caffeinated I just my my concern I agree caffeinated I just my my concern I agree caffeinated I just my my concern I agree with all that you said I think my with all that you said I think my with all that you said I think my concern is that we're concern is that we're concern is that we're you know we're not sticking the landing

you know we're not sticking the landing you know we're not sticking the landing on what we have now and now we're trying on what we have now and now we're trying on what we have now and now we're trying to add more complexity right on top of to add more complexity right on top of to add more complexity right on top of that sure it's like ridiculous well it's that sure it's like ridiculous well it's that sure it's like ridiculous well it's yeah it's just layers of tech I was I'll yeah it's just layers of tech I was I'll yeah it's just layers of tech I was I'll just give you a little anecdote of just give you a little anecdote of just give you a little anecdote of something that went wrong I mean letter something that went wrong I mean letter something that went wrong I mean letter and I went back and forth on on LinkedIn and I went back and forth on on LinkedIn and I went back and forth on on LinkedIn about this really bad habit of you know about this really bad habit of you know about this really bad habit of you know years ago when OTA was invented how years ago when OTA was invented how years ago when OTA was invented how people ship like stub code and then they people ship like stub code and then they people ship like stub code and then they update it later once the Thing Once update it later once the Thing Once update it later once the Thing Once someone unboxes it it's a terrible haben someone unboxes it it's a terrible haben someone unboxes it it's a terrible haben so you get this really bad software so you get this really bad software so you get this really bad software quality out there I actually rented a quality out there I actually rented a quality out there I actually rented a Hyundai ionic recently in Utah and I was Hyundai ionic recently in Utah and I was Hyundai ionic recently in Utah and I was pretty excited because I love renting pretty excited because I love renting pretty excited because I love renting EVS because no one else does um and so I EVS because no one else does um and so I EVS because no one else does um and so I got it and you know I was a day or two got it and you know I was a day or two got it and you know I was a day or two into it I'm like I'll go charge this into it I'm like I'll go charge this into it I'm like I'll go charge this thing I went over to the Provo Library thing I went over to the Provo Library thing I went over to the Provo Library plugged in you know free charger no plugged in you know free charger no plugged in you know free charger no one's using it of course and um few one's using it of course and um few one's using it of course and um few minutes later they're like charge minutes later they're like charge minutes later they're like charge unsuccessful what are you talking about unsuccessful what are you talking about unsuccessful what are you talking about charge unsuccessful I actually couldn't charge unsuccessful I actually couldn't charge unsuccessful I actually couldn't I couldn't actually release the handle I couldn't actually release the handle I couldn't actually release the handle from it was locked in so I couldn't from it was locked in so I couldn't from it was locked in so I couldn't wasn't charging it I couldn't releasee wasn't charging it I couldn't releasee wasn't charging it I couldn't releasee it and went back and forth and I call I it and went back and forth and I call I it and went back and forth and I call I called Avis and blah blah blah I had to called Avis and blah blah blah I had to called Avis and blah blah blah I had to return the car which was like an hour return the car which was like an hour return the car which was like an hour away because I couldn't charge it it was away because I couldn't charge it it was away because I couldn't charge it it was just unchargeable and it turns out you just unchargeable and it turns out you just unchargeable and it turns out you go to Reddit there's like a software go to Reddit there's like a software go to Reddit there's like a software problem with the ionic charging system problem with the ionic charging system problem with the ionic charging system and stuff and everyone's like oh yeah and stuff and everyone's like oh yeah and stuff and everyone's like oh yeah charge unsuccessful yeah I have that too charge unsuccessful yeah I have that too charge unsuccessful yeah I have that too but you got to bring it to the dealer but you got to bring it to the dealer but you got to bring it to the dealer for a software update and stuff and I for a software update and stuff and I for a software update and stuff and I was just like man like that's like the was just like man like that's like the was just like man like that's like the kind of stuff where you know a little kind of stuff where you know a little kind of stuff where you know a little bit a little bit more testing a little bit a little bit more testing a little bit a little bit more testing a little bit more bulletproof software bit more bulletproof software bit more bulletproof software development and you know now it's like

development and you know now it's like development and you know now it's like it's it's I think that's you know time it's it's I think that's you know time it's it's I think that's you know time times a 100 thousand times a million times a 100 thousand times a million times a 100 thousand times a million people are encountering software quality people are encountering software quality people are encountering software quality issues with this new technology and not issues with this new technology and not issues with this new technology and not only is it more confusing for them but only is it more confusing for them but only is it more confusing for them but even if the value prop is there the even if the value prop is there the even if the value prop is there the experience can be really bad because you experience can be really bad because you experience can be really bad because you you've got these compounding software you've got these compounding software you've got these compounding software issue quality issues on top of each issue quality issues on top of each issue quality issues on top of each other so you know just yeah why why other so you know just yeah why why other so you know just yeah why why aren't we making these people eat their aren't we making these people eat their aren't we making these people eat their own dog food right uh because because if own dog food right uh because because if own dog food right uh because because if they tested it themselves and they had they tested it themselves and they had they tested it themselves and they had to use it themselves they would see that to use it themselves they would see that to use it themselves they would see that that was a problem instead of making us that was a problem instead of making us that was a problem instead of making us the tester we're like yeah and a lot of the tester we're like yeah and a lot of the tester we're like yeah and a lot of companies I mean when I was at Microsoft companies I mean when I was at Microsoft companies I mean when I was at Microsoft we would dog food stuff all the time the we would dog food stuff all the time the we would dog food stuff all the time the problem is you dog food like four or problem is you dog food like four or problem is you dog food like four or five products at the same time and then five products at the same time and then five products at the same time and then you don't know what's going on so you don't know what's going on so you don't know what's going on so everything like starts to collapse but everything like starts to collapse but everything like starts to collapse but no I think it's a good practice is to no I think it's a good practice is to no I think it's a good practice is to have the employees using the products have the employees using the products have the employees using the products but it just gets difficult the level of but it just gets difficult the level of but it just gets difficult the level of complexity on this stuff especially if complexity on this stuff especially if complexity on this stuff especially if you're layering software from different you're layering software from different you're layering software from different providers on top of each other you know providers on top of each other you know providers on top of each other you know using different AP eyes it's very hard using different AP eyes it's very hard using different AP eyes it's very hard to point the finger as what exactly how to point the finger as what exactly how to point the finger as what exactly how do you debug this thing one thing to do you debug this thing one thing to do you debug this thing one thing to debug an embedded system where you're debug an embedded system where you're debug an embedded system where you're running on bare metal and you're the running on bare metal and you're the running on bare metal and you're the only developer it's another where only developer it's another where only developer it's another where there's a stack of like half a dozen you there's a stack of like half a dozen you there's a stack of like half a dozen you know agents and clouds and things know agents and clouds and things know agents and clouds and things happening and like okay how do I even happening and like okay how do I even happening and like okay how do I even get started on this so it's kind of the get started on this so it's kind of the get started on this so it's kind of the world we live in right now unfortunately world we live in right now unfortunately world we live in right now unfortunately yeah and if you if you you see a lot of yeah and if you if you you see a lot of yeah and if you if you you see a lot of companies in their their their companies in their their their companies in their their their software it it tends to turn into a mess software it it tends to turn into a mess software it it tends to turn into a mess over time right and really difficult to

over time right and really difficult to over time right and really difficult to to uh manage look what happened with to uh manage look what happened with to uh manage look what happened with Sonos that was in the news this week Sonos that was in the news this week Sonos that was in the news this week right the CEO was left because they right the CEO was left because they right the CEO was left because they pushed out an app before it was ready pushed out an app before it was ready pushed out an app before it was ready another one of those we'll we'll OTA it another one of those we'll we'll OTA it another one of those we'll we'll OTA it later or whatever and they lost so much later or whatever and they lost so much later or whatever and they lost so much brand Equity um because they pushed out brand Equity um because they pushed out brand Equity um because they pushed out an app and they really got their an app and they really got their an app and they really got their customers angry and so so what do we customers angry and so so what do we customers angry and so so what do we talk about on iot a coffee talk all the talk about on iot a coffee talk all the talk about on iot a coffee talk all the time is like don't you know this whole time is like don't you know this whole time is like don't you know this whole problem of you know flinging dung and I problem of you know flinging dung and I problem of you know flinging dung and I mentioned this yesterday D flinging 101 mentioned this yesterday D flinging 101 mentioned this yesterday D flinging 101 Princeton guys um folks is um one that's Princeton guys um folks is um one that's Princeton guys um folks is um one that's the other problem there is no commitment the other problem there is no commitment the other problem there is no commitment to Quality you don't hear excellence and to Quality you don't hear excellence and to Quality you don't hear excellence and quality anymore what you hear is this quality anymore what you hear is this quality anymore what you hear is this Mantra this religion it literally is a Mantra this religion it literally is a Mantra this religion it literally is a religion of innovation Innovation religion of innovation Innovation religion of innovation Innovation Innovation and when you look at what Innovation and when you look at what Innovation and when you look at what people are doing they're they're not people are doing they're they're not people are doing they're they're not really innovating but they want to say really innovating but they want to say really innovating but they want to say that they're innovating and there's no that they're innovating and there's no that they're innovating and there's no appreciation appreciation appreciation or you know the religion of Excellence or you know the religion of Excellence or you know the religion of Excellence is dead you know we were we were talking is dead you know we were we were talking is dead you know we were we were talking about how in Sigma Six Sigma yeah yeah about how in Sigma Six Sigma yeah yeah about how in Sigma Six Sigma yeah yeah in the 80s it was all about you know in the 80s it was all about you know in the 80s it was all about you know quality and operational excellence and quality and operational excellence and quality and operational excellence and uh you know you know the quality of your uh you know you know the quality of your uh you know you know the quality of your products and so what that all translates products and so what that all translates products and so what that all translates into pride of what you're doing but now into pride of what you're doing but now into pride of what you're doing but now because of all the software because of all the software because of all the software it eats the world it eats the world it eats the world nonsense it's just like literally let's

nonsense it's just like literally let's nonsense it's just like literally let's just throw as much crap out there and um just throw as much crap out there and um just throw as much crap out there and um and then now we have this culture of and then now we have this culture of and then now we have this culture of exactly what you're talking about Pete exactly what you're talking about Pete exactly what you're talking about Pete is um let's just you know let let let is um let's just you know let let let is um let's just you know let let let the customer the customer the customer debug you know and that's what Tesla debug you know and that's what Tesla debug you know and that's what Tesla does with their FSD you know the thing does with their FSD you know the thing does with their FSD you know the thing acts all Bonkers and then it'll ask you acts all Bonkers and then it'll ask you acts all Bonkers and then it'll ask you why did you turn off it's like because why did you turn off it's like because why did you turn off it's like because you're about to freaking kill me man you you're about to freaking kill me man you you're about to freaking kill me man you know but I'm not going you I'm not know but I'm not going you I'm not know but I'm not going you I'm not number one I'm not going to use this number one I'm not going to use this number one I'm not going to use this crap anymore because my family's in the crap anymore because my family's in the crap anymore because my family's in the back I'm driving my family around and back I'm driving my family around and back I'm driving my family around and your FSD is about to kill my family so your FSD is about to kill my family so your FSD is about to kill my family so but I am not going to help you train but I am not going to help you train but I am not going to help you train this thing unless you pay this thing unless you pay this thing unless you pay me you know but their mentality is me you know but their mentality is me you know but their mentality is you're going to do it for you're going to do it for you're going to do it for free right right I'm to participate free right right I'm to participate free right right I'm to participate opportunity for differenti opportunity for differenti opportunity for differenti to come along and ship quality you know to come along and ship quality you know to come along and ship quality you know but yeah my thing is I feel like I I but yeah my thing is I feel like I I but yeah my thing is I feel like I I have enough stuff to do right why why do have enough stuff to do right why why do have enough stuff to do right why why do I have to train your stuff why do I have I have to train your stuff why do I have I have to train your stuff why do I have to help you develop your to help you develop your to help you develop your thing driving yeah I'm busy I'm busy I thing driving yeah I'm busy I'm busy I thing driving yeah I'm busy I'm busy I got other stuff to do you got other stuff to do you got other stuff to do you know oh God it's basically because they know oh God it's basically because they know oh God it's basically because they don't have dat right so they couldn't don't have dat right so they couldn't don't have dat right so they couldn't train the machine learning models good train the machine learning models good train the machine learning models good enough and so they think that you you enough and so they think that you you enough and so they think that you you can train them but uh yeah that's that's can train them but uh yeah that's that's can train them but uh yeah that's that's not fair right that you pay for a

not fair right that you pay for a not fair right that you pay for a service that it's not well train and you service that it's not well train and you service that it's not well train and you need to use your time and your money to need to use your time and your money to need to use your time and your money to train here's the creepier thing they train here's the creepier thing they train here's the creepier thing they give it out for give it out for give it out for free they keep trying to bait people by free they keep trying to bait people by free they keep trying to bait people by giving it out giving a free subscription giving it out giving a free subscription giving it out giving a free subscription for a month I mean I've gotten like in for a month I mean I've gotten like in for a month I mean I've gotten like in the past year you know our whole the past year you know our whole the past year you know our whole family's gotten like maybe no less than family's gotten like maybe no less than family's gotten like maybe no less than 10 I mean 10 I mean 10 I mean they're literally giving it away for they're literally giving it away for they're literally giving it away for free MH and and it might be for that free MH and and it might be for that free MH and and it might be for that objective like what you're talking about objective like what you're talking about objective like what you're talking about Mark it's like hey um no one's using Mark it's like hey um no one's using Mark it's like hey um no one's using this this this thing um we tried to charge what and you thing um we tried to charge what and you thing um we tried to charge what and you know who are the fools the people who know who are the fools the people who know who are the fools the people who paid like whatever 7,000 8,000 I I think paid like whatever 7,000 8,000 I I think paid like whatever 7,000 8,000 I I think maybe up to 10,000 at one point they maybe up to 10,000 at one point they maybe up to 10,000 at one point they hiped it up for this thing and then now hiped it up for this thing and then now hiped it up for this thing and then now they can't even give it away for they can't even give it away for they can't even give it away for free and I I swear it's it free and I I swear it's it free and I I swear it's it it it even on straightaways it tries to it it even on straightaways it tries to it it even on straightaways it tries to do like really goofy do like really goofy do like really goofy things and I I that is not autonomous I things and I I that is not autonomous I things and I I that is not autonomous I I don't care what Elon says and it's not I don't care what Elon says and it's not I don't care what Elon says and it's not it's not cool so we don't use it's not cool so we don't use it's not cool so we don't use that it's crazy yeah from a technology that it's crazy yeah from a technology that it's crazy yeah from a technology perspective I feel like you know as much perspective I feel like you know as much perspective I feel like you know as much as people hype up technology and how as people hype up technology and how as people hype up technology and how it's so you know Advanced and we're ra it's so you know Advanced and we're ra it's so you know Advanced and we're ra all this stuff the fact of the matter is all this stuff the fact of the matter is all this stuff the fact of the matter is that the machine can't think and that the machine can't think and that the machine can't think and act faster than a human period

ever ever never never never so no absolutely not so no absolutely not so no absolutely not yeah um it's yeah best adaptive cruise it's yeah best adaptive cruise control and even which is really cool by control and even which is really cool by control and even which is really cool by the way I like ad I love it I love the the way I like ad I love it I love the the way I like ad I love it I love the adaptive cruise control because the the adaptive cruise control because the the adaptive cruise control because the the part again it it serves a very you know part again it it serves a very you know part again it it serves a very you know simple non-cerebral or not too cerebral simple non-cerebral or not too cerebral simple non-cerebral or not too cerebral function that is high value that's value function that is high value that's value function that is high value that's value of perfect of perfect of perfect sense you know but if I have my family sense you know but if I have my family sense you know but if I have my family in the back you you're not going to be in the back you you're not going to be in the back you you're not going to be driving you know you're not driving my driving you know you're not driving my driving you know you're not driving my kids around no way in hell not not given kids around no way in hell not not given kids around no way in hell not not given the number of incidents that we've we've the number of incidents that we've we've the number of incidents that we've we've had with you know these systems is crazy had with you know these systems is crazy had with you know these systems is crazy and then now people want to sit there and then now people want to sit there and then now people want to sit there and throw this into a and throw this into a and throw this into a factory and run their processes you know factory and run their processes you know factory and run their processes you know in an Adaptive way whatever the hell in an Adaptive way whatever the hell in an Adaptive way whatever the hell that that that means you know but you you know you means you know but you you know you means you know but you you know you probably can do it it's just going to be probably can do it it's just going to be probably can do it it's just going to be a higher order of stuff and it's going a higher order of stuff and it's going a higher order of stuff and it's going to be like high level to be like high level to be like high level orchestration where you have enough time orchestration where you have enough time orchestration where you have enough time to identify any kind of catastroph Ric to identify any kind of catastroph Ric to identify any kind of catastroph Ric error and remediate it but on the shop error and remediate it but on the shop error and remediate it but on the shop floor where you know you're going floor where you know you're going floor where you know you're going through really um High Velocity through really um High Velocity through really um High Velocity Cycles uh and this thing has a potential

Cycles uh and this thing has a potential Cycles uh and this thing has a potential of exponentially expanding a 1% error of exponentially expanding a 1% error of exponentially expanding a 1% error through an entire through an entire through an entire system I I don't you know come on yeah system I I don't you know come on yeah system I I don't you know come on yeah this is problem is that that now we are this is problem is that that now we are this is problem is that that now we are in this in this moment of this in this in this moment of this in this in this moment of this technology that we are burning brid technology that we are burning brid technology that we are burning brid reach us right so people will lose the reach us right so people will lose the reach us right so people will lose the trust um this technology specific Fields trust um this technology specific Fields trust um this technology specific Fields so it happen as well on iot right that so it happen as well on iot right that so it happen as well on iot right that people uh trusted some specific people uh trusted some specific people uh trusted some specific companies 10 years ago and they were not companies 10 years ago and they were not companies 10 years ago and they were not read they were not prepared so they read they were not prepared so they read they were not prepared so they burned the first Bridges right um 5G burned the first Bridges right um 5G burned the first Bridges right um 5G probably this is gonna happen as well 5G probably this is gonna happen as well 5G probably this is gonna happen as well 5G I barely heard it and if you didn't know I barely heard it and if you didn't know I barely heard it and if you didn't know about 5G you would have never noticed it about 5G you would have never noticed it about 5G you would have never noticed it and 5G was the biggest thing three years and 5G was the biggest thing three years and 5G was the biggest thing three years ago right it dis didn't Microsoft didn't ago right it dis didn't Microsoft didn't ago right it dis didn't Microsoft didn't Microsoft start this trend by saying Microsoft start this trend by saying Microsoft start this trend by saying wait for version three I mean that was wait for version three I mean that was wait for version three I mean that was like back in the 90s you know it was like back in the 90s you know it was like back in the 90s you know it was like you never used the first version like you never used the first version like you never used the first version you kind of wait for like the third you kind of wait for like the third you kind of wait for like the third version yeah but see that that goes back version yeah but see that that goes back version yeah but see that that goes back to that mentality right it's it's the I to that mentality right it's it's the I to that mentality right it's it's the I know well even back then I didn't even know well even back then I didn't even know well even back then I didn't even think I don't think there was OTA back think I don't think there was OTA back think I don't think there was OTA back then you just reinstalled the whole Os then you just reinstalled the whole Os then you just reinstalled the whole Os from from from scratch yeah yeah we live in a complex scratch yeah yeah we live in a complex scratch yeah yeah we live in a complex world I guess that's why we get the big world I guess that's why we get the big world I guess that's why we get the big bucks right Leonard so you know yeah bucks right Leonard so you know yeah bucks right Leonard so you know yeah well I mean at at at some well I mean at at at some well I mean at at at some point the the rubber has to meet the point the the rubber has to meet the point the the rubber has to meet the road no I know well and that's the road no I know well and that's the road no I know well and that's the companies that are successful are really companies that are successful are really companies that are successful are really doubling down on the quality and uh

doubling down on the quality and uh doubling down on the quality and uh maybe shipping a little later like they maybe shipping a little later like they maybe shipping a little later like they say it's like features quality schedule say it's like features quality schedule say it's like features quality schedule right that's the Iron Triangle pick two right that's the Iron Triangle pick two right that's the Iron Triangle pick two yeah and uh can't do all three and uh yeah and uh can't do all three and uh yeah and uh can't do all three and uh and optimize all three so so quality got and optimize all three so so quality got and optimize all three so so quality got to be up there so lessons learned and to be up there so lessons learned and to be up there so lessons learned and you know these are lessons people are you know these are lessons people are you know these are lessons people are learning them over and over again yeah learning them over and over again yeah learning them over and over again yeah you mean the quality press process with you mean the quality press process with you mean the quality press process with AI AI AI native AI native for for sure yeah native AI native for for sure yeah native AI native for for sure yeah definitely AI native by the way can I do definitely AI native by the way can I do definitely AI native by the way can I do a little pitch here now that we have a a little pitch here now that we have a a little pitch here now that we have a little Gap my my PSA so do if you want little Gap my my PSA so do if you want little Gap my my PSA so do if you want to talk about any of these topics in to talk about any of these topics in to talk about any of these topics in person come to Austin Texas February person come to Austin Texas February person come to Austin Texas February 25th of the 27th for the edji 25th of the 27th for the edji 25th of the 27th for the edji foundation uh Austin 2025 event and we foundation uh Austin 2025 event and we foundation uh Austin 2025 event and we we don't have Stephan or Rob Tiffany we don't have Stephan or Rob Tiffany we don't have Stephan or Rob Tiffany here Stephanie ainson but they're both here Stephanie ainson but they're both here Stephanie ainson but they're both going to be on a panel there talking going to be on a panel there talking going to be on a panel there talking about Beyond the Edge so come meet us in about Beyond the Edge so come meet us in about Beyond the Edge so come meet us in person we're going to have Keynotes from person we're going to have Keynotes from person we're going to have Keynotes from Dell Intel nxp silicon Labs University Dell Intel nxp silicon Labs University Dell Intel nxp silicon Labs University of Texas workshops from Seaman and St of Texas workshops from Seaman and St of Texas workshops from Seaman and St micro and math Works we're gonna have micro and math Works we're gonna have micro and math Works we're gonna have barbecue and beer and music man it's barbecue and beer and music man it's barbecue and beer and music man it's gonna be great so it's like three days gonna be great so it's like three days gonna be great so it's like three days and you're going to learn a lot you and you're going to learn a lot you and you're going to learn a lot you probably if if you need a job come and probably if if you need a job come and probably if if you need a job come and get a job if you have a job come and get get a job if you have a job come and get get a job if you have a job come and get a different job if you want to hire a different job if you want to hire a different job if you want to hire people come and hire people acquire people come and hire people acquire people come and hire people acquire companies learn new stuff all that stuff companies learn new stuff all that stuff companies learn new stuff all that stuff so yeah you know what um yeah there's so yeah you know what um yeah there's so yeah you know what um yeah there's some people at um the Princeton event some people at um the Princeton event some people at um the Princeton event last night that are looking for jobs last night that are looking for jobs last night that are looking for jobs I'll I'll turn them to yeah they should

I'll I'll turn them to yeah they should I'll I'll turn them to yeah they should on the event and they we actually have a on the event and they we actually have a on the event and they we actually have a we have a live stream coming up called we have a live stream coming up called we have a live stream coming up called Career Edge on January 23rd people Career Edge on January 23rd people Career Edge on January 23rd people should go to that and that's staff it's should go to that and that's staff it's should go to that and that's staff it's be we have an executive coach Stephen be we have an executive coach Stephen be we have an executive coach Stephen Davis on there hiring managers from Davis on there hiring managers from Davis on there hiring managers from startups and Tech and people can just startups and Tech and people can just startups and Tech and people can just live stream on how do you build a career live stream on how do you build a career live stream on how do you build a career in Aji how do you get into it how do you in Aji how do you get into it how do you in Aji how do you get into it how do you switch into it uh so we're starting that switch into it uh so we're starting that switch into it uh so we're starting that on the 23rd that's going to be like a on the 23rd that's going to be like a on the 23rd that's going to be like a quarter late live stream as well so yeah quarter late live stream as well so yeah quarter late live stream as well so yeah hey um send me the links because I'll hey um send me the links because I'll hey um send me the links because I'll I'll forward it onto that chapter and I'll forward it onto that chapter and I'll forward it onto that chapter and then um encourage the folks to to ree then um encourage the folks to to ree then um encourage the folks to to ree live stream you know yeah yeah so live stream you know yeah yeah so live stream you know yeah yeah so everyone yeah definitely check out uh everyone yeah definitely check out uh everyone yeah definitely check out uh you and Austin Ed AI Foundation you know you and Austin Ed AI Foundation you know you and Austin Ed AI Foundation you know keeping it real it's like they used to keeping it real it's like they used to keeping it real it's like they used to be tiny ML and they've be tiny ML and they've be tiny ML and they've genericized were connecting AI to the genericized were connecting AI to the genericized were connecting AI to the real world that's our yeah the real real world that's our yeah the real real world that's our yeah the real stuff real stuff I mean you know as the stuff real stuff I mean you know as the stuff real stuff I mean you know as the closer it touches reality the better has closer it touches reality the better has closer it touches reality the better has to work you well I do like that idea of to work you well I do like that idea of to work you well I do like that idea of a mirror with positive affirmations I'm a mirror with positive affirmations I'm a mirror with positive affirmations I'm G to go work on G to go work on G to go work on that but keep everything onice yeah all that but keep everything onice yeah all that but keep everything onice yeah all on device yeah on device but you know on device yeah on device but you know on device yeah on device but you know all rightous right yeah exactly that all rightous right yeah exactly that all rightous right yeah exactly that would be have Fernando as one of the would be have Fernando as one of the would be have Fernando as one of the avatars Billy Crystal there yeah the the avatars Billy Crystal there yeah the the avatars Billy Crystal there yeah the the um the therapist yeah virtual therapist um the therapist yeah virtual therapist um the therapist yeah virtual therapist but uh who wants to take us out how come nobody ever wants to okay I

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