IoT Coffee Talk: Episode 260 - Put me back into the Matrix (What happens when you FAFO!)

So So people haven't played Van Halen in a people haven't played Van Halen in a people haven't played Van Halen in a long time and I haven't played that in a long time and I haven't played that in a long time and I haven't played that in a long time. So, I forgot how to play it, long time. So, I forgot how to play it, long time. So, I forgot how to play it, which is which is which is It was good. Evidence that I'm getting It was good. Evidence that I'm getting It was good. Evidence that I'm getting old and my memory is getting really old and my memory is getting really old and my memory is getting really crappy. I saw David Lee Roth was singing crappy. I saw David Lee Roth was singing crappy. I saw David Lee Roth was singing the other night at some show. You know, the other night at some show. You know, the other night at some show. You know, he's pretty damn good, man. He was good. he's pretty damn good, man. He was good. he's pretty damn good, man. He was good. Yeah, he's Yeah, he's Yeah, he's Hey, Stephanie. Hey, Stephanie. Hey, Stephanie. Hi. Oh my god. Well, the fire I thought Hi. Oh my god. Well, the fire I thought Hi. Oh my god. Well, the fire I thought I had to put be to put out today end up I had to put be to put out today end up I had to put be to put out today end up being a Monday problem. So that's why being a Monday problem. So that's why being a Monday problem. So that's why Oh my god. Get the money. Oh my god. Get the money. Oh my god. Get the money. Girls represent. Yeah, I know. On two corners. Yeah, Yeah, I know. On two corners. Yeah, that's awesome. We Yeah, I'm using my that's awesome. We Yeah, I'm using my that's awesome. We Yeah, I'm using my phone so I'm not I like literally um out phone so I'm not I like literally um out phone so I'm not I like literally um out in this middle of nowhere, no man's land in this middle of nowhere, no man's land in this middle of nowhere, no man's land where I live. Uh, we're having internet where I live. Uh, we're having internet where I live. Uh, we're having internet issues today, so I'm on sale. So, y'all issues today, so I'm on sale. So, y'all issues today, so I'm on sale. So, y'all let me know if it's bad. Really?

let me know if it's bad. Really? let me know if it's bad. Really? Actually, it's pretty good. Okay, good. Actually, it's pretty good. Okay, good. Actually, it's pretty good. Okay, good. Jeez, look at Jeez, look at Jeez, look at this. He has problem. He's doing sign this. He has problem. He's doing sign this. He has problem. He's doing sign language. Stop doing that. You're going language. Stop doing that. You're going language. Stop doing that. You're going to make me uh feel like it really is a a to make me uh feel like it really is a a to make me uh feel like it really is a a massive issue. Oh my gosh. You should massive issue. Oh my gosh. You should massive issue. Oh my gosh. You should use the AI caption tool. Yeah. What is use the AI caption tool. Yeah. What is use the AI caption tool. Yeah. What is going on, Rob? Yeah. Take your earphones going on, Rob? Yeah. Take your earphones going on, Rob? Yeah. Take your earphones off, dude. He's wearing his AirPods and off, dude. He's wearing his AirPods and off, dude. He's wearing his AirPods and blah blah blah. Yeah, blah blah blah. Yeah, blah blah blah. Yeah, I don't think they are. They don't look I don't think they are. They don't look I don't think they are. They don't look like AirPods. They look like some a like AirPods. They look like some a like AirPods. They look like some a third party, right? Like the He's got third party, right? Like the He's got third party, right? Like the He's got the $29 AirPods. Oh, yeah. The the $29 AirPods. Oh, yeah. The the $29 AirPods. Oh, yeah. The imitation, right? The Bluetooth 4 imitation, right? The Bluetooth 4 imitation, right? The Bluetooth 4 version is no good. Here we go. So, hey, version is no good. Here we go. So, hey, version is no good. Here we go. So, hey, let you know you haven't been on for a let you know you haven't been on for a let you know you haven't been on for a long time, so let's catch up and start long time, so let's catch up and start long time, so let's catch up and start off with you. What's up? Me? Yeah, man. off with you. What's up? Me? Yeah, man. off with you. What's up? Me? Yeah, man. It's been busy season. It's been I feel It's been busy season. It's been I feel It's been busy season. It's been I feel like I'm just now in a stop mode from like I'm just now in a stop mode from like I'm just now in a stop mode from travel and weddings and business trips travel and weddings and business trips travel and weddings and business trips and all of that. So, I'm like, "Oh, I'm and all of that. So, I'm like, "Oh, I'm and all of that. So, I'm like, "Oh, I'm home for a week. This has been nice."

home for a week. This has been nice." home for a week. This has been nice." Yeah. It's been busy. Busy. Good. Busy, Yeah. It's been busy. Busy. Good. Busy, Yeah. It's been busy. Busy. Good. Busy, you know. Yeah. You have your awards, you know. Yeah. You have your awards, you know. Yeah. You have your awards, you have your encompass awards, right? you have your encompass awards, right? you have your encompass awards, right? That Yeah. So yeah, that's busy because That Yeah. So yeah, that's busy because That Yeah. So yeah, that's busy because right now it's um a lot of back and right now it's um a lot of back and right now it's um a lot of back and forth with a lot of the award winners forth with a lot of the award winners forth with a lot of the award winners and um with all of that though, it's and um with all of that though, it's and um with all of that though, it's kind of, you know, it'll wind down in kind of, you know, it'll wind down in kind of, you know, it'll wind down in about a week or two and then um but it's about a week or two and then um but it's about a week or two and then um but it's it's a good season. It's spring. it's a good season. It's spring. it's a good season. It's spring. School's about to end. All the kids are School's about to end. All the kids are School's about to end. All the kids are home. Oh yeah, the college kid came home. Oh yeah, the college kid came home. Oh yeah, the college kid came home. Oh, how was that? Uh 3.4. Not bad. home. Oh, how was that? Uh 3.4. Not bad. home. Oh, how was that? Uh 3.4. Not bad. Yeah, not bad at all. Not not bad at all Yeah, not bad at all. Not not bad at all Yeah, not bad at all. Not not bad at all for first uh was it a first quarter or for first uh was it a first quarter or for first uh was it a first quarter or first year? First year. No, it's his f first year? First year. No, it's his f first year? First year. No, it's his f it's his first year. Uh but he didn't do it's his first year. Uh but he didn't do it's his first year. Uh but he didn't do as well last semester. This semester as well last semester. This semester as well last semester. This semester he's he's figuring it out. You know, you he's he's figuring it out. You know, you he's he's figuring it out. You know, you know what you got to do is you got to know what you got to do is you got to know what you got to do is you got to just make him like work and study at the just make him like work and study at the just make him like work and study at the same time. Well, he's coming home this same time. Well, he's coming home this same time. Well, he's coming home this summer to work on his commercial pilots summer to work on his commercial pilots summer to work on his commercial pilots license and to work full-time. Okay. No, license and to work full-time. Okay. No, license and to work full-time. Okay. No, it's uh I found especially going to it's uh I found especially going to it's uh I found especially going to school at UCSD where we have the beach school at UCSD where we have the beach school at UCSD where we have the beach just right down to cliffs, just right down to cliffs, just right down to cliffs, lots of distractions. If you take if you lots of distractions. If you take if you lots of distractions. If you take if you take 20 units, which 16 is normal, um take 20 units, which 16 is normal, um take 20 units, which 16 is normal, um you will get much better grades because you will get much better grades because you will get much better grades because being distracted by beach and all your being distracted by beach and all your being distracted by beach and all your friends uh going to surf and just go friends uh going to surf and just go friends uh going to surf and just go swimming and you know, sunbathing uh

swimming and you know, sunbathing uh swimming and you know, sunbathing uh between classes uh doesn't do a lot of between classes uh doesn't do a lot of between classes uh doesn't do a lot of good for your grades. That's what I good for your grades. That's what I good for your grades. That's what I discovered. Especially if Yeah. discovered. Especially if Yeah. discovered. Especially if Yeah. There there's so many online classes and There there's so many online classes and There there's so many online classes and or hybrid classes where you only need to or hybrid classes where you only need to or hybrid classes where you only need to show up once a week. Like we didn't have show up once a week. Like we didn't have show up once a week. Like we didn't have that. We had to show up every class. that. We had to show up every class. that. We had to show up every class. Like they haven't made in the morning. Like they haven't made in the morning. Like they haven't made in the morning. They can they could do they could do They can they could do they could do They can they could do they could do more than 20 hours if you know with with more than 20 hours if you know with with more than 20 hours if you know with with all of that online stuff that he has so all of that online stuff that he has so all of that online stuff that he has so much free time. It's unreal. Are you much free time. It's unreal. Are you much free time. It's unreal. Are you saying that college is not reflecting saying that college is not reflecting saying that college is not reflecting anymore the real work life? Oh, wait a anymore the real work life? Oh, wait a anymore the real work life? Oh, wait a second. Actually, it might. working from second. Actually, it might. working from second. Actually, it might. working from home. It is reflecting the world. home. It is reflecting the world. home. It is reflecting the world. Okay, so here's here's the funny thing Okay, so here's here's the funny thing Okay, so here's here's the funny thing that I'm also learning too. And I know that I'm also learning too. And I know that I'm also learning too. And I know all of these co colleges have this great all of these co colleges have this great all of these co colleges have this great software that allows them to test software that allows them to test software that allows them to test whether the paper they just turned in is whether the paper they just turned in is whether the paper they just turned in is AI written or a element of AI. They're AI written or a element of AI. They're AI written or a element of AI. They're all still using it. And there's so many all still using it. And there's so many all still using it. And there's so many workarounds. Yeah, there's like there's workarounds. Yeah, there's like there's workarounds. Yeah, there's like there's like AI tools to combat the AI like AI tools to combat the AI like AI tools to combat the AI detectors. These kids are they will find detectors. These kids are they will find detectors. These kids are they will find a way and they will figure it out to a way and they will figure it out to a way and they will figure it out to make the grade. I would definitely hire make the grade. I would definitely hire make the grade. I would definitely hire the one who can game the system and play the one who can game the system and play the one who can game the system and play the system. I would hire the person who the system. I would hire the person who the system. I would hire the person who can play the system because that means can play the system because that means can play the system because that means they're smart and can find their way they're smart and can find their way they're smart and can find their way through it. Yeah, there's there's through it. Yeah, there's there's through it. Yeah, there's there's something to be said for paying a bunch something to be said for paying a bunch something to be said for paying a bunch of money to take classes and then of money to take classes and then of money to take classes and then cheating on your classes. I guess it's cheating on your classes. I guess it's cheating on your classes. I guess it's exactly the logic. sending them. Yeah,

exactly the logic. sending them. Yeah, exactly the logic. sending them. Yeah, you're sending them to school to be you're sending them to school to be you're sending them to school to be figure out how to become a criminal. figure out how to become a criminal. figure out how to become a criminal. That's awesome. They they they have That's awesome. They they they have That's awesome. They they they have learned they they learned how to work learned they they learned how to work learned they they learned how to work the system like growing up as a kid and the system like growing up as a kid and the system like growing up as a kid and now they're getting even better at it. now they're getting even better at it. now they're getting even better at it. And when they go to the workforce, And when they go to the workforce, And when they go to the workforce, they're you know, just like people were they're you know, just like people were they're you know, just like people were when everyone had to be on Zoom or when everyone had to be on Zoom or when everyone had to be on Zoom or whatever, Microsoft Teams, they found whatever, Microsoft Teams, they found whatever, Microsoft Teams, they found those tools that move their little mouse those tools that move their little mouse those tools that move their little mouse every so often so it looked like they every so often so it looked like they every so often so it looked like they were working all day. Those people those were working all day. Those people those were working all day. Those people those people are not going to go far in life. people are not going to go far in life. people are not going to go far in life. That's just my No, no, no. Well, you you That's just my No, no, no. Well, you you That's just my No, no, no. Well, you you can see that big firms are starting to can see that big firms are starting to can see that big firms are starting to chase them and fire them. So, yeah. You chase them and fire them. So, yeah. You chase them and fire them. So, yeah. You know, you know, you know, see, that's know, you know, you know, see, that's know, you know, you know, see, that's the irony though, right? Because they the irony though, right? Because they the irony though, right? Because they say that the person who knows how to, say that the person who knows how to, say that the person who knows how to, you know, um your job won't be taken you know, um your job won't be taken you know, um your job won't be taken away by AI. It'll be by the person who away by AI. It'll be by the person who away by AI. It'll be by the person who um you know uh knows how to use AI, um you know uh knows how to use AI, um you know uh knows how to use AI, right? The actual the truth might right? The actual the truth might right? The actual the truth might actually be quite the opposite is a actually be quite the opposite is a actually be quite the opposite is a person who actually bothered to learn person who actually bothered to learn person who actually bothered to learn anything themselves and become valuable anything themselves and become valuable anything themselves and become valuable as a human is going to take over the job as a human is going to take over the job as a human is going to take over the job of the individual that the company of the individual that the company of the individual that the company thought knows AI and can do something thought knows AI and can do something thought knows AI and can do something productive. Instead, this person is productive. Instead, this person is productive. Instead, this person is doing nothing valuable just uh you know doing nothing valuable just uh you know doing nothing valuable just uh you know uh uh uh trying the system. Yeah. But no, this is trying the system. Yeah. But no, this is trying the system. Yeah. But no, this is such an interesting dynamic because I such an interesting dynamic because I such an interesting dynamic because I was at RSAC, right? You know, they keep was at RSAC, right? You know, they keep was at RSAC, right? You know, they keep flashing up this U number. It's like 10 flashing up this U number. It's like 10 flashing up this U number. It's like 10 billion of how quickly the cyber billion of how quickly the cyber billion of how quickly the cyber criminal economy is growing, right? And

criminal economy is growing, right? And criminal economy is growing, right? And the problem is is you have more and more the problem is is you have more and more the problem is is you have more and more CEOs and I'm not going to name names, CEOs and I'm not going to name names, CEOs and I'm not going to name names, executives complaining about the younger executives complaining about the younger executives complaining about the younger generation and how and and generation and how and and generation and how and and so you know I I'm not pointing out so you know I I'm not pointing out so you know I I'm not pointing out anyone specific but you know you hear anyone specific but you know you hear anyone specific but you know you hear this more and more these younger this more and more these younger this more and more these younger generation folks don't have skills. generation folks don't have skills. generation folks don't have skills. They're in they they come in with a They're in they they come in with a They're in they they come in with a sense of entitlement and they have no sense of entitlement and they have no sense of entitlement and they have no attention span and no commitment to or attention span and no commitment to or attention span and no commitment to or very little commitment to do something very little commitment to do something very little commitment to do something um that uh requires sustained um effort um that uh requires sustained um effort um that uh requires sustained um effort and um you know there in lies the and um you know there in lies the and um you know there in lies the opportunity for listening out there that opportunity for listening out there that opportunity for listening out there that there's an opportunity to differentiate there's an opportunity to differentiate there's an opportunity to differentiate yourself as an early and career person yourself as an early and career person yourself as an early and career person by being that of resource that can be by being that of resource that can be by being that of resource that can be funible and get stuff done and be funible and get stuff done and be funible and get stuff done and be persistent and attention to detail and persistent and attention to detail and persistent and attention to detail and forget about all the fancy AI tools. forget about all the fancy AI tools. forget about all the fancy AI tools. Just like be good at your job and help Just like be good at your job and help Just like be good at your job and help people out and you will actually be people out and you will actually be people out and you will actually be highly differentiated in the workforce highly differentiated in the workforce highly differentiated in the workforce compared to your peers. Although I would compared to your peers. Although I would compared to your peers. Although I would say I was at I just got back from I was say I was at I just got back from I was say I was at I just got back from I was at&m a couple weeks ago and met with a at&m a couple weeks ago and met with a at&m a couple weeks ago and met with a group of probably 10 engineers and it group of probably 10 engineers and it group of probably 10 engineers and it was quite the opposite. You know, they was quite the opposite. You know, they was quite the opposite. You know, they seemed very well grounded. Um they were seemed very well grounded. Um they were seemed very well grounded. Um they were very well spoken. They kind of had a very well spoken. They kind of had a very well spoken. They kind of had a really good like presence, speaking really good like presence, speaking really good like presence, speaking presence, which I was surprised because presence, which I was surprised because presence, which I was surprised because a lot of the engineers can be introverts a lot of the engineers can be introverts a lot of the engineers can be introverts at times, but they seem pretty well at times, but they seem pretty well at times, but they seem pretty well balanced. And so, but what and but we

balanced. And so, but what and but we balanced. And so, but what and but we asked them about AI and they're asked them about AI and they're asked them about AI and they're leveraging AI more as a tool for leveraging AI more as a tool for leveraging AI more as a tool for research and to ramp up, but they're not research and to ramp up, but they're not research and to ramp up, but they're not leaning on it for like these guys, leaning on it for like these guys, leaning on it for like these guys, right? I'm not talking about all kids. right? I'm not talking about all kids. right? I'm not talking about all kids. they're not leaning on it for the they're not leaning on it for the they're not leaning on it for the production of their report or the production of their report or the production of their report or the production of their, you know, production of their, you know, production of their, you know, deliverable that they have to put out deliverable that they have to put out deliverable that they have to put out out, you know, for their engineering out, you know, for their engineering out, you know, for their engineering project. Um, and then the capstone project. Um, and then the capstone project. Um, and then the capstone stuff, it's all hands-on. Like I think stuff, it's all hands-on. Like I think stuff, it's all hands-on. Like I think the more the balance, the balance is is the more the balance, the balance is is the more the balance, the balance is is for some of these classes that are more for some of these classes that are more for some of these classes that are more hands-on, hands-on, hands-on, um, there is no like you have to show um, there is no like you have to show um, there is no like you have to show up, you have to actually do the work. up, you have to actually do the work. up, you have to actually do the work. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think there So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think there So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think there are a lot there's a lot of really great are a lot there's a lot of really great are a lot there's a lot of really great students coming out of universities students coming out of universities students coming out of universities these days. No question about it. So we these days. No question about it. So we these days. No question about it. So we unfortunately you think that's why unfortunately you think that's why unfortunately you think that's why though a lot of the big corporations are though a lot of the big corporations are though a lot of the big corporations are now going back to essentially everyone's now going back to essentially everyone's now going back to essentially everyone's been given a deadline. You're now back been given a deadline. You're now back been given a deadline. You're now back in the office. Yeah. Are they they're in the office. Yeah. Are they they're in the office. Yeah. Are they they're fed up. It'll get worse. Yeah. The the fed up. It'll get worse. Yeah. The the fed up. It'll get worse. Yeah. The the whole RTO policy thing is tricky. It's a whole RTO policy thing is tricky. It's a whole RTO policy thing is tricky. It's a cultural thing for the company and uh cultural thing for the company and uh cultural thing for the company and uh and the engagement. Personally, I just I and the engagement. Personally, I just I and the engagement. Personally, I just I think I think it's good to uh like think I think it's good to uh like think I think it's good to uh like Microsoft, for example, doesn't have a Microsoft, for example, doesn't have a Microsoft, for example, doesn't have a required RTO, but it's sort of like required RTO, but it's sort of like required RTO, but it's sort of like three days a week is an expectation and three days a week is an expectation and three days a week is an expectation and there's here's why the benefits of there's here's why the benefits of there's here's why the benefits of interacting with people serendipitously interacting with people serendipitously interacting with people serendipitously is more productive. I think the whole, is more productive. I think the whole, is more productive. I think the whole, you know, you move here or get fired is, you know, you move here or get fired is, you know, you move here or get fired is, you know, some companies have that you know, some companies have that you know, some companies have that culture and I think if you want to work culture and I think if you want to work culture and I think if you want to work there, you should work there. If you

there, you should work there. If you there, you should work there. If you don't, you shouldn't go somewhere else. don't, you shouldn't go somewhere else. don't, you shouldn't go somewhere else. So, well, there's a lot that of that So, well, there's a lot that of that So, well, there's a lot that of that happening, too. Yeah. But before we happening, too. Yeah. But before we happening, too. Yeah. But before we continue any further with their feet. continue any further with their feet. continue any further with their feet. Welcome everyone to IoT Coffee Talk Welcome everyone to IoT Coffee Talk Welcome everyone to IoT Coffee Talk remember take us seriously at your own remember take us seriously at your own remember take us seriously at your own risk and you know if you take us too risk and you know if you take us too risk and you know if you take us too seriously and you end up investing in seriously and you end up investing in seriously and you end up investing in some weird stock you know that's your some weird stock you know that's your some weird stock you know that's your fault. So remember to take your ability fault. So remember to take your ability fault. So remember to take your ability of any decisions you make even though of any decisions you make even though of any decisions you make even though you know Rob makes some really good ones you know Rob makes some really good ones you know Rob makes some really good ones sometimes. sometimes. Well, he's sometimes. sometimes. Well, he's sometimes. sometimes. Well, he's Rob, are you a listener today and not a Rob, are you a listener today and not a Rob, are you a listener today and not a talker? He's trying to get his Bluetooth 4 He's trying to get his Bluetooth 4 headphones to work. headphones to work. headphones to work. It's not coming through. It's not coming through. It's not coming through. Dang, that's so weird. He looks like Dang, that's so weird. He looks like Dang, that's so weird. He looks like he's in a cool lobby of some nice hotel he's in a cool lobby of some nice hotel he's in a cool lobby of some nice hotel mode. mode. mode. That looks like a swank hotel. That's That looks like a swank hotel. That's That looks like a swank hotel. That's what ID, these IDC folks, they go to what ID, these IDC folks, they go to what ID, these IDC folks, they go to these swank hotels and they, you know, a these swank hotels and they, you know, a these swank hotels and they, you know, a little bougie. A little VIP. Very little bougie. A little VIP. Very little bougie. A little VIP. Very bougie. Very bougie. This might be bougie. Very bougie. This might be bougie. Very bougie. This might be dangerous for him. He might explode dangerous for him. He might explode dangerous for him. He might explode because, you know, he's he's always because, you know, he's he's always because, you know, he's he's always wanting to say something, right? And he wanting to say something, right? And he wanting to say something, right? And he might There you go.

might There you go. might There you go. He's going to start holding up little He's going to start holding up little He's going to start holding up little index cards. Sign language index cards. Sign language index cards. Sign language with a Sharpie. Yeah. Where uh Yeah. with a Sharpie. Yeah. Where uh Yeah. with a Sharpie. Yeah. Where uh Yeah. Where's your Where's your AI, you know, Where's your Where's your AI, you know, Where's your Where's your AI, you know, transcriptions? There's the transcriptions? There's the transcriptions? There's the transcription, man. Where's Zoom when transcription, man. Where's Zoom when transcription, man. Where's Zoom when you need it? you need it? you need it? Zoom AI. Are you going to take off? We can reconnect. Too bad. I know. Jeez. We can reconnect. Too bad. I know. Jeez. I think that's like a first to tell you I think that's like a first to tell you I think that's like a first to tell you guys, you know. Yeah, Rob is speechless. guys, you know. Yeah, Rob is speechless. guys, you know. Yeah, Rob is speechless. That's a first. Yeah, that's that's a That's a first. Yeah, that's that's a That's a first. Yeah, that's that's a first. And Mark. Mark. Mark, you're in first. And Mark. Mark. Mark, you're in first. And Mark. Mark. Mark, you're in the um vehicle with that nice sunroof. I the um vehicle with that nice sunroof. I the um vehicle with that nice sunroof. I see that. Look at that fancy thing. see that. Look at that fancy thing. see that. Look at that fancy thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I It's hard to be on Yeah. on It's hard to be on Yeah. on It's hard to be on Yeah. on episodes while I'm not uh commuting. So episodes while I'm not uh commuting. So episodes while I'm not uh commuting. So Oh, well. Yeah. At least your your Oh, well. Yeah. At least your your Oh, well. Yeah. At least your your mobile networks are up now. So, you mobile networks are up now. So, you mobile networks are up now. So, you know, looks pretty good actually. Not know, looks pretty good actually. Not know, looks pretty good actually. Not that bad. I mean, it's European it's that bad. I mean, it's European it's that bad. I mean, it's European it's European network. I mean, it it works, European network. I mean, it it works, European network. I mean, it it works, right? If we have power.

Oh my gosh. Yeah. So, um RSAC um well, Oh my gosh. Yeah. So, um RSAC um well, no, I I just recently had a conversation no, I I just recently had a conversation no, I I just recently had a conversation um about um about um about education. Um but and and you know along education. Um but and and you know along education. Um but and and you know along the lines of what we were talking about the lines of what we were talking about the lines of what we were talking about earlier Stephanie where and you earlier Stephanie where and you earlier Stephanie where and you mentioned at at Texas&M you know the mentioned at at Texas&M you know the mentioned at at Texas&M you know the engineers are going to the lab and stuff engineers are going to the lab and stuff engineers are going to the lab and stuff that AI actually is becoming problem that AI actually is becoming problem that AI actually is becoming problem problematic in education because it's problematic in education because it's problematic in education because it's detaching students from actual learning detaching students from actual learning detaching students from actual learning right and going and uh and so changing right and going and uh and so changing right and going and uh and so changing the curriculum actually and the teaching the curriculum actually and the teaching the curriculum actually and the teaching methods to um actually strip away uh AI methods to um actually strip away uh AI methods to um actually strip away uh AI and force people to learn. Going to the and force people to learn. Going to the and force people to learn. Going to the labs and making things like labs and making things like labs and making things like scenario-based or team- based is become scenario-based or team- based is become scenario-based or team- based is become is something that some educators are is something that some educators are is something that some educators are starting to lean into because you just starting to lean into because you just starting to lean into because you just there's it's just too difficult to prove there's it's just too difficult to prove there's it's just too difficult to prove that any of the students actually did that any of the students actually did that any of the students actually did any of the work. And you know, homework any of the work. And you know, homework any of the work. And you know, homework is still going to be a huge problem, is still going to be a huge problem, is still going to be a huge problem, right? Especially for lower grades.

right? Especially for lower grades. right? Especially for lower grades. But um putting people into like the way But um putting people into like the way But um putting people into like the way that they test, you have to test in a that they test, you have to test in a that they test, you have to test in a way where you actually have no access to way where you actually have no access to way where you actually have no access to devices. And you know, I think there's devices. And you know, I think there's devices. And you know, I think there's an increasing realization that uh and an increasing realization that uh and an increasing realization that uh and we've addressed this on our show before we've addressed this on our show before we've addressed this on our show before that um education is not about learning that um education is not about learning that um education is not about learning how to use a tool. go to a freaking how to use a tool. go to a freaking how to use a tool. go to a freaking vocational anyone can you know remember vocational anyone can you know remember vocational anyone can you know remember when chat GPT 3.5 came out you don't use when chat GPT 3.5 came out you don't use when chat GPT 3.5 came out you don't use that thing the same as you use the tools that thing the same as you use the tools that thing the same as you use the tools now with the reasoning models right so now with the reasoning models right so now with the reasoning models right so educating your kid on how to use uh how educating your kid on how to use uh how educating your kid on how to use uh how to cheat using to cheat using to cheat using 3.5 is is stupid because a year later he 3.5 is is stupid because a year later he 3.5 is is stupid because a year later he has to that he or she has to relearn has to that he or she has to relearn has to that he or she has to relearn everything figure out a new way of everything figure out a new way of everything figure out a new way of cheating on stuff you know what I'm cheating on stuff you know what I'm cheating on stuff you know what I'm saying you know what they're doing you saying you know what they're doing you saying you know what they're doing you know what they're doing is this This is know what they're doing is this This is know what they're doing is this This is something that I heard from some of the something that I heard from some of the something that I heard from some of the educators. They have given in and educators. They have given in and educators. They have given in and they're embracing AI because they're they're embracing AI because they're they're embracing AI because they're like, "This is the future." And so what like, "This is the future." And so what like, "This is the future." And so what they're doing is when they when they put they're doing is when they when they put they're doing is when they when they put out the test, they'll say, "Okay, out the test, they'll say, "Okay, out the test, they'll say, "Okay, um, step one, take the test with AI.

um, step one, take the test with AI. um, step one, take the test with AI. Take the test with AI. Step two, take it Take the test with AI. Step two, take it Take the test with AI. Step two, take it without AI." And so they're they're without AI." And so they're they're without AI." And so they're they're starting to look and and and try to starting to look and and and try to starting to look and and and try to figure out, you know, how do we grade, figure out, you know, how do we grade, figure out, you know, how do we grade, you know, grade based on the use of AI? you know, grade based on the use of AI? you know, grade based on the use of AI? And then also the other thing like the And then also the other thing like the And then also the other thing like the engineering school is looking at um it's engineering school is looking at um it's engineering school is looking at um it's not just the kids are using AI what do not just the kids are using AI what do not just the kids are using AI what do we do it is AI is already embedded into we do it is AI is already embedded into we do it is AI is already embedded into uh supply chain logistics and all of uh supply chain logistics and all of uh supply chain logistics and all of these back office systems. So how do we these back office systems. So how do we these back office systems. So how do we ramp up our curriculum so they're ramp up our curriculum so they're ramp up our curriculum so they're actually using AI for the things that actually using AI for the things that actually using AI for the things that they need to be using AI for. And so I they need to be using AI for. And so I they need to be using AI for. And so I think that they're starting to look at think that they're starting to look at think that they're starting to look at all the different elements, but this is all the different elements, but this is all the different elements, but this is not something that we talked about a not something that we talked about a not something that we talked about a year ago during our board meetings at&m. year ago during our board meetings at&m. year ago during our board meetings at&m. So it has ramped up aggressively, So it has ramped up aggressively, So it has ramped up aggressively, although kids were using it a year ago. although kids were using it a year ago. although kids were using it a year ago. Yes. What he said? Oh, hey, there he is. Children are going to use AI as they are Children are going to use AI as they are using as we we used to use calculators, using as we we used to use calculators, using as we we used to use calculators, right? So probably there was the same um right? So probably there was the same um right? So probably there was the same um discussion no 30 40 years ago when the discussion no 30 40 years ago when the discussion no 30 40 years ago when the 50 will never learn that they have a 50 will never learn that they have a 50 will never learn that they have a calculator right you know what you know calculator right you know what you know calculator right you know what you know what my limo is here what my limo is here what my limo is here oh my god oh my god sorry I'm oh my god oh my god sorry I'm oh my god oh my god sorry I'm sorry you did I'll I'll check you later sorry you did I'll I'll check you later sorry you did I'll I'll check you later I'll see you in business class bye

Oh gosh. He came on just for that. Yeah, Oh gosh. He came on just for that. Yeah, just to brag. Be in the Delta 1 lounge. just to brag. Be in the Delta 1 lounge. just to brag. Be in the Delta 1 lounge. Oh my god. That also means he's not home Oh my god. That also means he's not home Oh my god. That also means he's not home on a Friday for the weekend with where on a Friday for the weekend with where on a Friday for the weekend with where you know you want to be generally. Yeah, you know you want to be generally. Yeah, you know you want to be generally. Yeah, he's working. he's working. he's working. The life of the The life of the The life of the animals. His pilot jet will bring him at animals. His pilot jet will bring him at animals. His pilot jet will bring him at home on time. So Mark, So Mark, go ahead. Say again. What were you go ahead. Say again. What were you go ahead. Say again. What were you saying? You were going to say something saying? You were going to say something saying? You were going to say something about Yeah. Yeah. No, no. I I think about Yeah. Yeah. No, no. I I think about Yeah. Yeah. No, no. I I think Yeah. I And actually I I was thinking a Yeah. I And actually I I was thinking a Yeah. I And actually I I was thinking a lot about this because I was teaching lot about this because I was teaching lot about this because I was teaching during four weeks on on the university during four weeks on on the university during four weeks on on the university uh month back and and I saw a complete uh month back and and I saw a complete uh month back and and I saw a complete different behavior of the students now different behavior of the students now different behavior of the students now that they have available. know very good that they have available. know very good that they have available. know very good CH GBD models and um and all the work CH GBD models and um and all the work CH GBD models and um and all the work was completely different right um or the was completely different right um or the was completely different right um or the outcome of their homeworks were outcome of their homeworks were outcome of their homeworks were completely different um and I think it's completely different um and I think it's completely different um and I think it's it's good that allows them to to go one it's good that allows them to to go one it's good that allows them to to go one step further so if you as a student I step further so if you as a student I step further so if you as a student I think if you have think if you have think if you have curiosity that's really interesting to curiosity that's really interesting to curiosity that's really interesting to have these tools because it allows you have these tools because it allows you have these tools because it allows you to get one step further uh if you don't to get one step further uh if you don't to get one step further uh if you don't have curiosity and you just want have curiosity and you just want have curiosity and you just want to deliver whatever the homework as is.

to deliver whatever the homework as is. to deliver whatever the homework as is. Yeah, it's it's similar. The same Yeah, it's it's similar. The same Yeah, it's it's similar. The same happened to me with the Wikipedia, happened to me with the Wikipedia, happened to me with the Wikipedia, right? So, I also copy and paste right? So, I also copy and paste right? So, I also copy and paste Wikipedia. Sure. Google search pages to Wikipedia. Sure. Google search pages to Wikipedia. Sure. Google search pages to deliver deliver deliver even not that before Google, right? Uh even not that before Google, right? Uh even not that before Google, right? Uh when the first encart I think it was when the first encart I think it was when the first encart I think it was called here in Spain like first called here in Spain like first called here in Spain like first encyclopedia in the city room. No, just encyclopedia in the city room. No, just encyclopedia in the city room. No, just copy and pasting book. That's an copy and pasting book. That's an copy and pasting book. That's an interesting point, Mark, because one of interesting point, Mark, because one of interesting point, Mark, because one of the things that made me think of is is I the things that made me think of is is I the things that made me think of is is I was having this conversation a few weeks was having this conversation a few weeks was having this conversation a few weeks ago with a client and and what we're ago with a client and and what we're ago with a client and and what we're saying is market research has changed saying is market research has changed saying is market research has changed because with AI, everyone thinks they're because with AI, everyone thinks they're because with AI, everyone thinks they're an expert. Everyone thinks I don't need an expert. Everyone thinks I don't need an expert. Everyone thinks I don't need to pay for market research. I don't need to pay for market research. I don't need to pay for market research. I don't need to pay for thought leadership. I don't to pay for thought leadership. I don't to pay for thought leadership. I don't need to pay for, you know, someone who need to pay for, you know, someone who need to pay for, you know, someone who knows about the industry to give me any knows about the industry to give me any knows about the industry to give me any insights cuz I can go pull that from AI. insights cuz I can go pull that from AI. insights cuz I can go pull that from AI. And so it it leaves you with this And so it it leaves you with this And so it it leaves you with this superficial like uh these some of these superficial like uh these some of these superficial like uh these some of these buyers out there, you know, they they buyers out there, you know, they they buyers out there, you know, they they know better, right? But it's just the know better, right? But it's just the know better, right? But it's just the everyday people that are out there. It everyday people that are out there. It everyday people that are out there. It leaves them with this the superficial leaves them with this the superficial leaves them with this the superficial knowledge base that they think, "Oh, I'm knowledge base that they think, "Oh, I'm knowledge base that they think, "Oh, I'm not going to invest in that. I don't not going to invest in that. I don't not going to invest in that. I don't have a budget for that anymore." But but have a budget for that anymore." But but have a budget for that anymore." But but that's that's a wrong mindset, I guess, that's that's a wrong mindset, I guess, that's that's a wrong mindset, I guess, that you you cannot think that you're an that you you cannot think that you're an that you you cannot think that you're an expert because you have access to Chach expert because you have access to Chach expert because you have access to Chach or Gemini or whatever, right? Because or Gemini or whatever, right? Because or Gemini or whatever, right? Because everyone else is too. So I'm tempted I'm everyone else is too. So I'm tempted I'm everyone else is too. So I'm tempted I'm tempted to say let them fail. No tempted to say let them fail. No tempted to say let them fail. No correct. Uh maybe they are not going to correct. Uh maybe they are not going to correct. Uh maybe they are not going to fail but I think you have to position as fail but I think you have to position as fail but I think you have to position as an analyst on the position of Yeah.

an analyst on the position of Yeah. an analyst on the position of Yeah. Sure. So you have this knowledge now an Sure. So you have this knowledge now an Sure. So you have this knowledge now an extra if they don't fail they're right extra if they don't fail they're right extra if they don't fail they're right guess. Yeah they feel partner they'll guess. Yeah they feel partner they'll guess. Yeah they feel partner they'll feel some pain. They'll feel the pain. feel some pain. They'll feel the pain. feel some pain. They'll feel the pain. Feel the pain. So, so, so maybe then we Feel the pain. So, so, so maybe then we Feel the pain. So, so, so maybe then we need to go what's what's the value of an need to go what's what's the value of an need to go what's what's the value of an analyst, right? analyst, right? analyst, right? Well, so you want to you want to grow Well, so you want to you want to grow Well, so you want to you want to grow this or you want to grow No. Yeah. this or you want to grow No. Yeah. this or you want to grow No. Yeah. It does. It challenges our industry or It does. It challenges our industry or It does. It challenges our industry or as a a consultant, an adviser, an as a a consultant, an adviser, an as a a consultant, an adviser, an analyst, whatever, is that you can't you analyst, whatever, is that you can't you analyst, whatever, is that you can't you have to go deeper. You have to really go have to go deeper. You have to really go have to go deeper. You have to really go into their business a bit another layer into their business a bit another layer into their business a bit another layer than maybe you have in the past. It just than maybe you have in the past. It just than maybe you have in the past. It just makes us work harder. Um, but it also makes us work harder. Um, but it also makes us work harder. Um, but it also allows the people that do work harder, allows the people that do work harder, allows the people that do work harder, i.e. Leonard, a couple others that are i.e. Leonard, a couple others that are i.e. Leonard, a couple others that are out there, it just it it just it makes out there, it just it it just it makes out there, it just it it just it makes them stand out because what they're them stand out because what they're them stand out because what they're getting valuewise and what they're getting valuewise and what they're getting valuewise and what they're paying paying paying for, you know, it it shines. It shows it for, you know, it it shines. It shows it for, you know, it it shines. It shows it shows up. It shows up. And then I think shows up. It shows up. And then I think shows up. It shows up. And then I think a lot of those those folks that are kind a lot of those those folks that are kind a lot of those those folks that are kind of out there playing the outside, the of out there playing the outside, the of out there playing the outside, the outskirts, the superficials out there, outskirts, the superficials out there, outskirts, the superficials out there, they're they're just not going to do they're they're just not going to do they're they're just not going to do well.

well. well. You know what what I the way here's the You know what what I the way here's the You know what what I the way here's the thing that humans the humans the people thing that humans the humans the people thing that humans the humans the people who are going who are going who are going to who are going to stand out because to who are going to stand out because to who are going to stand out because this is all about signal and noise right this is all about signal and noise right this is all about signal and noise right now what what what now what what what now what what what um and this is a term that Bill loves to um and this is a term that Bill loves to um and this is a term that Bill loves to use the noise floor rises AI right so use the noise floor rises AI right so use the noise floor rises AI right so doesn't ma mean that things are getting doesn't ma mean that things are getting doesn't ma mean that things are getting better it's just there's more noise but better it's just there's more noise but better it's just there's more noise but then also So a little bit more, you then also So a little bit more, you then also So a little bit more, you know, flattening of the curve like what know, flattening of the curve like what know, flattening of the curve like what you guys are like talking about where it you guys are like talking about where it you guys are like talking about where it democratizes a certain level democratizes a certain level democratizes a certain level of knowledge and semi-reasoning. This of knowledge and semi-reasoning. This of knowledge and semi-reasoning. This stuff doesn't really reason all that stuff doesn't really reason all that stuff doesn't really reason all that well in my my um use of these tools, but well in my my um use of these tools, but well in my my um use of these tools, but you know, sticking out really means you know, sticking out really means you know, sticking out really means knowing how to ask the next question knowing how to ask the next question knowing how to ask the next question because the problem is is these things because the problem is is these things because the problem is is these things can answer whatever. But if your can answer whatever. But if your can answer whatever. But if your questions are generic, they're notful, questions are generic, they're notful, questions are generic, they're notful, they're not forward thinking because they're not forward thinking because they're not forward thinking because that that really is the role of the that that really is the role of the that that really is the role of the analyst. analyst should be able to analyst. analyst should be able to analyst. analyst should be able to anticipate what is that next important anticipate what is that next important anticipate what is that next important question and the consensus the majority question and the consensus the majority question and the consensus the majority does not focus on that they have no does not focus on that they have no does not focus on that they have no freaking clue but with the exception as freaking clue but with the exception as freaking clue but with the exception as is today my sister sent me her scans for is today my sister sent me her scans for is today my sister sent me her scans for she's has cancer you know pray for her she's has cancer you know pray for her she's has cancer you know pray for her but she sent me her scans and we put but she sent me her scans and we put but she sent me her scans and we put that in you know she's like I put it

that in you know she's like I put it that in you know she's like I put it into chat GPT thank you and she's like into chat GPT thank you and she's like into chat GPT thank you and she's like and it summarized not only what the scan and it summarized not only what the scan and it summarized not only what the scan said, but it also said you may want to said, but it also said you may want to said, but it also said you may want to ask these questions of your oncologist ask these questions of your oncologist ask these questions of your oncologist and you may want to explore this. So, it and you may want to explore this. So, it and you may want to explore this. So, it it does go a little bit of a you know, it does go a little bit of a you know, it does go a little bit of a you know, it's doing more than what I saw a year it's doing more than what I saw a year it's doing more than what I saw a year ago. So, um, and it is asking some of ago. So, um, and it is asking some of ago. So, um, and it is asking some of the hard questions for her as a patient, the hard questions for her as a patient, the hard questions for her as a patient, but it also scares me because there's so but it also scares me because there's so but it also scares me because there's so many people that are feeding into that many people that are feeding into that many people that are feeding into that and you know, what are you missing if and you know, what are you missing if and you know, what are you missing if you're not asking the hard questions? you're not asking the hard questions? you're not asking the hard questions? Um, I don't know. I feel like, um, you Um, I don't know. I feel like, um, you Um, I don't know. I feel like, um, you know, those folks that use AI that are know, those folks that use AI that are know, those folks that use AI that are younger and they're they're they may younger and they're they're they may younger and they're they're they may they may become a little bit more they may become a little bit more they may become a little bit more well-versed. Are you training yourself well-versed. Are you training yourself well-versed. Are you training yourself to use it in the right way? I don't to use it in the right way? I don't to use it in the right way? I don't know. Yeah. And and Olivia, we talked know. Yeah. And and Olivia, we talked know. Yeah. And and Olivia, we talked about good enough like a couple of weeks about good enough like a couple of weeks about good enough like a couple of weeks ago, I think. Right. I think that that's ago, I think. Right. I think that that's ago, I think. Right. I think that that's another dynamic that that may allow, you another dynamic that that may allow, you another dynamic that that may allow, you know, that provides the person who's know, that provides the person who's know, that provides the person who's about to fail or you think will fail a about to fail or you think will fail a about to fail or you think will fail a bit of latitude to quote bit of latitude to quote bit of latitude to quote unquote, you know, succeed or at least unquote, you know, succeed or at least unquote, you know, succeed or at least um you know, benefit from the perception um you know, benefit from the perception um you know, benefit from the perception of uh not failing. It's just it's good of uh not failing. It's just it's good of uh not failing. It's just it's good enough, you know, and that that's the enough, you know, and that that's the enough, you know, and that that's the there's a huge market for good enough.

there's a huge market for good enough. there's a huge market for good enough. Like there's like a huge market Like there's like a huge market Like there's like a huge market apparently for something like jingle apparently for something like jingle apparently for something like jingle farts or, you know, like freaking cat, farts or, you know, like freaking cat, farts or, you know, like freaking cat, you know, cute cat videos that you know, cute cat videos that you know, cute cat videos that demonstrate how to use lens. I mean, for demonstrate how to use lens. I mean, for demonstrate how to use lens. I mean, for some reason there's like all huge market some reason there's like all huge market some reason there's like all huge market for this crap. And that's where actually for this crap. And that's where actually for this crap. And that's where actually all the eyeballs go. So if you do like a all the eyeballs go. So if you do like a all the eyeballs go. So if you do like a Tik Tok dance to explain you know how uh Tik Tok dance to explain you know how uh Tik Tok dance to explain you know how uh you know digital twins work that will you know digital twins work that will you know digital twins work that will beat any content that is long form like beat any content that is long form like beat any content that is long form like ours and is less let's say you know ours and is less let's say you know ours and is less let's say you know entertaining in terms entertaining in terms entertaining in terms of having a dance or a little jingle or of having a dance or a little jingle or of having a dance or a little jingle or something like well we do that right in something like well we do that right in something like well we do that right in the beginning the beginning the beginning but but you know what I'm say it it's but but you know what I'm say it it's but but you know what I'm say it it's gimmick driven. gimmick driven. gimmick driven. make. No, I think I think that a big a make. No, I think I think that a big a make. No, I think I think that a big a big thing of what I've what I've noticed big thing of what I've what I've noticed big thing of what I've what I've noticed and where things really stand out and and where things really stand out and and where things really stand out and maybe it'll get this way is I feel for maybe it'll get this way is I feel for maybe it'll get this way is I feel for the most part the AI tools that I've the most part the AI tools that I've the most part the AI tools that I've played around with there's some really played around with there's some really played around with there's some really good marketing ones by the way, but the good marketing ones by the way, but the good marketing ones by the way, but the ones that I played around with they they ones that I played around with they they ones that I played around with they they lack critical thinking of someone who's lack critical thinking of someone who's lack critical thinking of someone who's been in that industry or has been been in that industry or has been been in that industry or has been working for that company or whatever it working for that company or whatever it working for that company or whatever it is for, you know, has a has a history is for, you know, has a has a history is for, you know, has a has a history behind it. So the critical thinking behind it. So the critical thinking behind it. So the critical thinking piece to me is piece to me is piece to me is um missing. And then of course I know um missing. And then of course I know um missing. And then of course I know Bill and I have talked about this. I Bill and I have talked about this. I Bill and I have talked about this. I think we've talked about this on IoT think we've talked about this on IoT think we've talked about this on IoT Coffee Talk is you're only as good as Coffee Talk is you're only as good as Coffee Talk is you're only as good as the data that's feeding into this AI

the data that's feeding into this AI the data that's feeding into this AI model. And if you're using horrible data model. And if you're using horrible data model. And if you're using horrible data or you're using if you're a company and or you're using if you're a company and or you're using if you're a company and you're you're trusting your your you're you're trusting your your you're you're trusting your your customers data or your employees data, customers data or your employees data, customers data or your employees data, is it is it is it good? Um Oh. good? Um Oh. good? Um Oh. people people just don't understand the people people just don't understand the people people just don't understand the nature of their data and that was like nature of their data and that was like nature of their data and that was like one of the things that I had a lot of one of the things that I had a lot of one of the things that I had a lot of conversations about at RSAC and you know conversations about at RSAC and you know conversations about at RSAC and you know forget about security there's security forget about security there's security forget about security there's security and then there's quality there are those and then there's quality there are those and then there's quality there are those two problems that AI faces and two problems that AI faces and two problems that AI faces and it's unbel your company the bigger it's unbel your company the bigger it's unbel your company the bigger bigger bigger bigger problem that you bigger bigger bigger problem that you bigger bigger bigger problem that you have so you have so you have so you know Verizon just had their uh analyst know Verizon just had their uh analyst know Verizon just had their uh analyst meeting um about an hour ago on their meeting um about an hour ago on their meeting um about an hour ago on their DBIR report, their data breach report. DBIR report, their data breach report. DBIR report, their data breach report. Um and they, you know, they just started Um and they, you know, they just started Um and they, you know, they just started asking questions about corporate use of asking questions about corporate use of asking questions about corporate use of corporate, you know, corporate liable corporate, you know, corporate liable corporate, you know, corporate liable devices for AI access and all that, but devices for AI access and all that, but devices for AI access and all that, but they were they did put some data out they were they did put some data out they were they did put some data out around um just uh ransomware attacks and around um just uh ransomware attacks and around um just uh ransomware attacks and just the exponential growth in it. And just the exponential growth in it. And just the exponential growth in it. And then the results showed that for SMBs, then the results showed that for SMBs, then the results showed that for SMBs, which to me it's a little bit larger of which to me it's a little bit larger of which to me it's a little bit larger of a group, so less than a thousand a group, so less than a thousand a group, so less than a thousand employees, you know, they were paying 8, employees, you know, they were paying 8, employees, you know, they were paying 8, you know, paying the actual ransomware you know, paying the actual ransomware you know, paying the actual ransomware people to, you know, on average was like

people to, you know, on average was like people to, you know, on average was like $85,000. And I'm like, wow, it's it's $85,000. And I'm like, wow, it's it's $85,000. And I'm like, wow, it's it's just amazing what folks are paying out just amazing what folks are paying out just amazing what folks are paying out there to get their stuff back or to there to get their stuff back or to there to get their stuff back or to protect themselves. But, you know, if protect themselves. But, you know, if protect themselves. But, you know, if you get a chance, pull that report. It's you get a chance, pull that report. It's you get a chance, pull that report. It's available for anyone to to go check out. available for anyone to to go check out. available for anyone to to go check out. There's some really interesting stats in There's some really interesting stats in There's some really interesting stats in there. But it kind of follows on with there. But it kind of follows on with there. But it kind of follows on with RSAC, right? Right. Some of the RSAC, right? Right. Some of the RSAC, right? Right. Some of the craziness that's happening in this. It craziness that's happening in this. It craziness that's happening in this. It It is just the beginning. That's the It is just the beginning. That's the It is just the beginning. That's the scary thing. I mean, scary thing. I mean, scary thing. I mean, data breaches, Olivia, you were talking data breaches, Olivia, you were talking data breaches, Olivia, you were talking about the whole Bob thing. about the whole Bob thing. about the whole Bob thing. Yeah. You want to talk scary? uh go read Yeah. You want to talk scary? uh go read Yeah. You want to talk scary? uh go read I think I mentioned already in a I think I mentioned already in a I think I mentioned already in a previous um episode but uh there's this previous um episode but uh there's this previous um episode but uh there's this book um a series of books actually book um a series of books actually book um a series of books actually written by Dennis Taylor uh the first written by Dennis Taylor uh the first written by Dennis Taylor uh the first book is called we are Legion uh book is called we are Legion uh book is called we are Legion uh parenthesis we are Bob and the premise parenthesis we are Bob and the premise parenthesis we are Bob and the premise is that uh we are in like a very near is that uh we are in like a very near is that uh we are in like a very near future um there is this uh startup uh future um there is this uh startup uh future um there is this uh startup uh founder who gets his exit has a lot of founder who gets his exit has a lot of founder who gets his exit has a lot of money gets drunk um finds this company money gets drunk um finds this company money gets drunk um finds this company that promises to freeze his brain once that promises to freeze his brain once that promises to freeze his brain once he dies to unfreeze him when technology he dies to unfreeze him when technology he dies to unfreeze him when technology allows to bring him back to life and allows to bring him back to life and allows to bring him back to life and he's like I'm going to sign the thing he's like I'm going to sign the thing he's like I'm going to sign the thing just walks out of the building after just walks out of the building after just walks out of the building after signing and gets you know rolled over by signing and gets you know rolled over by signing and gets you know rolled over by boss so he dies he wakes up later we boss so he dies he wakes up later we boss so he dies he wakes up later we don't know when and he's basically they don't know when and he's basically they don't know when and he's basically they couldn't technology couldn't revive his couldn't technology couldn't revive his couldn't technology couldn't revive his entire body but his his soul is

entire body but his his soul is entire body but his his soul is everything himself is like his brain has everything himself is like his brain has everything himself is like his brain has been restored in an in in a computer as been restored in an in in a computer as been restored in an in in a computer as an AI, right? And past the phase of an AI, right? And past the phase of an AI, right? And past the phase of discovering that he has no longer body discovering that he has no longer body discovering that he has no longer body or what not. And so most of the people or what not. And so most of the people or what not. And so most of the people became like totally mad and crazy and became like totally mad and crazy and became like totally mad and crazy and and and that you know couldn't survive and and that you know couldn't survive and and that you know couldn't survive that. He passed that and then becomes that. He passed that and then becomes that. He passed that and then becomes that sentient entity that can duplicate that sentient entity that can duplicate that sentient entity that can duplicate itself, replicate itself uh and is sent itself, replicate itself uh and is sent itself, replicate itself uh and is sent on a probe, you know, across the on a probe, you know, across the on a probe, you know, across the universe to discover new worlds, what universe to discover new worlds, what universe to discover new worlds, what not. and he he's sent on this probe that not. and he he's sent on this probe that not. and he he's sent on this probe that can that has like 3D printers and he's can that has like 3D printers and he's can that has like 3D printers and he's able to reproduce like things and create able to reproduce like things and create able to reproduce like things and create and whatnot and and the the entire and whatnot and and the the entire and whatnot and and the the entire series is about on one hand what happens series is about on one hand what happens series is about on one hand what happens on Earth with a version of himself that on Earth with a version of himself that on Earth with a version of himself that he replicated himself and he's staying he replicated himself and he's staying he replicated himself and he's staying there and then he's traveling across the there and then he's traveling across the there and then he's traveling across the universe discovering new worlds and uh universe discovering new worlds and uh universe discovering new worlds and uh humans have been at war destroying humans have been at war destroying humans have been at war destroying themselves and he's still there and so themselves and he's still there and so themselves and he's still there and so it's like it's kind of a like on one it's like it's kind of a like on one it's like it's kind of a like on one hand kind hand kind hand kind like fun and entertaining and the other like fun and entertaining and the other like fun and entertaining and the other one like pretty scary because you know one like pretty scary because you know one like pretty scary because you know crazy. Yeah, it sounds plausible but crazy. Yeah, it sounds plausible but crazy. Yeah, it sounds plausible but does he reach other universes because does he reach other universes because does he reach other universes because they're already talking about other they're already talking about other they're already talking about other univers that it's Yeah, it's it's it's univers that it's Yeah, it's it's it's univers that it's Yeah, it's it's it's actually pretty uh like that's the thing actually pretty uh like that's the thing actually pretty uh like that's the thing which is time is no longer a problem, which is time is no longer a problem, which is time is no longer a problem, right? Right. Yeah. Neither are rays and right? Right. Yeah. Neither are rays and right? Right. Yeah. Neither are rays and gamma rays, right? As long as your gamma rays, right? As long as your gamma rays, right? As long as your spaceship is, you know, well, you need spaceship is, you know, well, you need spaceship is, you know, well, you need radiation shielding on your uh radiation shielding on your uh radiation shielding on your uh equipment, you know, The name of the

equipment, you know, The name of the equipment, you know, The name of the book, Olivia, what's the name of the book, Olivia, what's the name of the book, Olivia, what's the name of the book? Uh, we are Legion. We are Legion. book? Uh, we are Legion. We are Legion. book? Uh, we are Legion. We are Legion. The number one. And the series is called The number one. And the series is called The number one. And the series is called the Bobby verse. The guy is called Bob. the Bobby verse. The guy is called Bob. the Bobby verse. The guy is called Bob. But, you know, it it is scary. Um, I had But, you know, it it is scary. Um, I had But, you know, it it is scary. Um, I had lunch with a friend in Santa Clara um lunch with a friend in Santa Clara um lunch with a friend in Santa Clara um just yesterday and we were we were just yesterday and we were we were just yesterday and we were we were talking about actually the metaverse is talking about actually the metaverse is talking about actually the metaverse is not gone. It is here. It's just not in a not gone. It is here. It's just not in a not gone. It is here. It's just not in a form that anyone really really imagine form that anyone really really imagine form that anyone really really imagine except for maybe a few who who are who except for maybe a few who who are who except for maybe a few who who are who may be consciously shaping what's going may be consciously shaping what's going may be consciously shaping what's going on, right? But it has everything to do on, right? But it has everything to do on, right? But it has everything to do with um what we have what we see with with um what we have what we see with with um what we have what we see with people. I don't know if you've noticed, people. I don't know if you've noticed, people. I don't know if you've noticed, but there's like a whole flood of just but there's like a whole flood of just but there's like a whole flood of just AI generated weird weird crap, right? AI generated weird weird crap, right? AI generated weird weird crap, right? And um that where the level of And um that where the level of And um that where the level of authenticity is starting to blend with authenticity is starting to blend with authenticity is starting to blend with our perception of what is our perception of what is our perception of what is true, right? And what is true, right? And what is true, right? And what is real and it then it really very easily real and it then it really very easily real and it then it really very easily gets integrated with whatever it is that gets integrated with whatever it is that gets integrated with whatever it is that is the basis of fantasy or what have is the basis of fantasy or what have is the basis of fantasy or what have you. But the other thing we talked you. But the other thing we talked you. But the other thing we talked about and you know beyond this like sort about and you know beyond this like sort about and you know beyond this like sort of merging of what is the digital and of merging of what is the digital and of merging of what is the digital and what is uh the physical and Debbie you what is uh the physical and Debbie you what is uh the physical and Debbie you and I have talked about this odd and I have talked about this odd and I have talked about this odd nauseium for years now it's like kind of nauseium for years now it's like kind of nauseium for years now it's like kind of scary

scary scary is um you know this whole notion of the is um you know this whole notion of the is um you know this whole notion of the basis of truth with the deep fakes basis of truth with the deep fakes basis of truth with the deep fakes really taking it now into a really taking it now into a really taking it now into a commercialized level right because commercialized level right because commercialized level right because usually these technologies are taken to usually these technologies are taken to usually these technologies are taken to the mainstream but supported by some the mainstream but supported by some the mainstream but supported by some nasty stuff like porn and criminality nasty stuff like porn and criminality nasty stuff like porn and criminality and stuff like that. Now the because the and stuff like that. Now the because the and stuff like that. Now the because the technology can scale and uh be diffused technology can scale and uh be diffused technology can scale and uh be diffused uh uh uh widely it it's now having a different widely it it's now having a different widely it it's now having a different impact impact impact um you know as it becomes more of a a um you know as it becomes more of a a um you know as it becomes more of a a publicly available uh capability and and publicly available uh capability and and publicly available uh capability and and so so so my the the big danger here is that whatever the big danger here is that whatever this thing is that is starting to form this thing is that is starting to form this thing is that is starting to form around this let's say around this let's say around this let's say uh you know uh let's call it super super uh you know uh let's call it super super uh you know uh let's call it super super AI or whatever this concept that people AI or whatever this concept that people AI or whatever this concept that people have been pursuing. Um the danger is is have been pursuing. Um the danger is is have been pursuing. Um the danger is is that you're going to have people who can that you're going to have people who can that you're going to have people who can who can shape the truth about who can shape the truth about who can shape the truth about you and we talked about this already on you and we talked about this already on you and we talked about this already on our show.

our show. our show. the these LLMs will spit out a the these LLMs will spit out a the these LLMs will spit out a representation of you that is not true. representation of you that is not true. representation of you that is not true. Now mix that what you can do from cyber Now mix that what you can do from cyber Now mix that what you can do from cyber security in terms of prompt injection security in terms of prompt injection security in terms of prompt injection and poisoning and all this whole huge and poisoning and all this whole huge and poisoning and all this whole huge range of stuff that is now be you know range of stuff that is now be you know range of stuff that is now be you know scaring the living crap out of um sea scaring the living crap out of um sea scaring the living crap out of um sea cells. Yeah, I mean I think they become cells. Yeah, I mean I think they become cells. Yeah, I mean I think they become a victim and then that was kind of the a victim and then that was kind of the a victim and then that was kind of the rampoff with the avatars and language rampoff with the avatars and language rampoff with the avatars and language and then the recordings of moms that and then the recordings of moms that and then the recordings of moms that sound frantic and it's not really her sound frantic and it's not really her sound frantic and it's not really her voice but it is her voice but it's AI voice but it is her voice but it's AI voice but it is her voice but it's AI generated. I mean, and you taking what generated. I mean, and you taking what generated. I mean, and you taking what you're saying, Leonard, is taking that you're saying, Leonard, is taking that you're saying, Leonard, is taking that to the next two, three, four to the next two, three, four to the next two, three, four levels, and we're we are already at a levels, and we're we are already at a levels, and we're we are already at a point now where we should be questioning point now where we should be questioning point now where we should be questioning what's real versus what's not real what's real versus what's not real what's real versus what's not real because there's so much stuff out there, because there's so much stuff out there, because there's so much stuff out there, right? And I don't know if everyone is, right? And I don't know if everyone is, right? And I don't know if everyone is, but I think most of us f we we are but I think most of us f we we are but I think most of us f we we are probably a little bit more worried about probably a little bit more worried about probably a little bit more worried about that kind of thing. But think about the that kind of thing. But think about the that kind of thing. But think about the average person that's out there. Um, and average person that's out there. Um, and average person that's out there. Um, and they're already, you know, the the they're already, you know, the the they're already, you know, the the elderly is they're already a vulnerable elderly is they're already a vulnerable elderly is they're already a vulnerable population that they are trying to scam population that they are trying to scam population that they are trying to scam and fraud is happening like rampantly.

and fraud is happening like rampantly. and fraud is happening like rampantly. But think about how many people are But think about how many people are But think about how many people are going to pay that money or do whatever going to pay that money or do whatever going to pay that money or do whatever they're supposed to do or or even crime they're supposed to do or or even crime they're supposed to do or or even crime or whatever as a result of thinking or whatever as a result of thinking or whatever as a result of thinking something's real when it's not. But something's real when it's not. But something's real when it's not. But because it looks so you can't tell. because it looks so you can't tell. because it looks so you can't tell. That's that's kind of like metaverse. That's that's kind of like metaverse. That's that's kind of like metaverse. It's just a really twisted version of It's just a really twisted version of It's just a really twisted version of it, you know? Evil metaverse. Yeah. I it, you know? Evil metaverse. Yeah. I it, you know? Evil metaverse. Yeah. I know. Think about it. And then the know. Think about it. And then the know. Think about it. And then the number 10 billion dollar or 10 trillion number 10 billion dollar or 10 trillion number 10 billion dollar or 10 trillion dollar dollar dollar economy. That's like freaking scary. economy. That's like freaking scary. economy. That's like freaking scary. That looks like a That looks like a That looks like a pretty, you know, for some folks, pretty, you know, for some folks, pretty, you know, for some folks, especially ones who, you know, grow up especially ones who, you know, grow up especially ones who, you know, grow up in a education system where they didn't in a education system where they didn't in a education system where they didn't learn anything, but they learn how to learn anything, but they learn how to learn anything, but they learn how to use AI and they can't find value in a use AI and they can't find value in a use AI and they can't find value in a conventional economy, a an economy that conventional economy, a an economy that conventional economy, a an economy that actually produces something. What are actually produces something. What are actually produces something. What are they going to do? They're either going they going to do? They're either going they going to do? They're either going to be poor, they're going to start to be poor, they're going to start to be poor, they're going to start participating in this fast growing participating in this fast growing participating in this fast growing economy where you just rip people off or economy where you just rip people off or economy where you just rip people off or you undermine or you you try to, you you undermine or you you try to, you you undermine or you you try to, you know, um game the conventional economy, know, um game the conventional economy, know, um game the conventional economy, the one that actually produces the one that actually produces the one that actually produces something. Do you know what I'm saying?

something. Do you know what I'm saying? something. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Exactly. So the the criminal Yeah. Exactly. So the the criminal Yeah. Exactly. So the the criminal economy, you make your own hours, you're economy, you make your own hours, you're economy, you make your own hours, you're your own boss, right? your own boss, right? your own boss, right? Sorry, Debbie. They were just saying that I was Debbie. They were just saying that I was listening to the news today that two listening to the news today that two listening to the news today that two outofcountry people bought. This is in outofcountry people bought. This is in outofcountry people bought. This is in 2023 in the Texas lottery, you know, 2023 in the Texas lottery, you know, 2023 in the Texas lottery, you know, created these warehouses and they bought created these warehouses and they bought created these warehouses and they bought these lottery ticket machines and they these lottery ticket machines and they these lottery ticket machines and they bought all these lottery tickets so they bought all these lottery tickets so they bought all these lottery tickets so they would win and they did win. So now Texas would win and they did win. So now Texas would win and they did win. So now Texas has decided to defund the lottery.com or has decided to defund the lottery.com or has decided to defund the lottery.com or Texas lottery.com and it was all, you Texas lottery.com and it was all, you Texas lottery.com and it was all, you know, they they just outsmarted the know, they they just outsmarted the know, they they just outsmarted the system and the lawyers are like they system and the lawyers are like they system and the lawyers are like they could not find anything that says this could not find anything that says this could not find anything that says this wasn't illegal. Yeah. Because it's on a wasn't illegal. Yeah. Because it's on a wasn't illegal. Yeah. Because it's on a blockchain or blockchain or blockchain or whatever. And so you know there's there whatever. And so you know there's there whatever. And so you know there's there Yeah. immutability it just because Yeah. immutability it just because Yeah. immutability it just because something is mutable doesn't mean that something is mutable doesn't mean that something is mutable doesn't mean that it's trustworthy. I we've said this from it's trustworthy. I we've said this from it's trustworthy. I we've said this from the beginning. I mean, this is like six the beginning. I mean, this is like six the beginning. I mean, this is like six years ago, you and me, Debbie, right? We years ago, you and me, Debbie, right? We years ago, you and me, Debbie, right? We said this six years ago when all these said this six years ago when all these said this six years ago when all these blockchain people saying you can and blockchain people saying you can and blockchain people saying you can and Bitcoin and crypto guys are saying you Bitcoin and crypto guys are saying you Bitcoin and crypto guys are saying you can trust it because it's on a can trust it because it's on a can trust it because it's on a blockchain blockchain blockchain and you know, we were telling people and and you know, we were telling people and and you know, we were telling people and we've been telling people since you we've been telling people since you we've been telling people since you cannot trust it just because it's cannot trust it just because it's cannot trust it just because it's immutable. The quality of trust is immutable. The quality of trust is immutable. The quality of trust is something you have to design in. is something you have to design in. is something you have to design in. is completely a non-technical thing. So,

completely a non-technical thing. So, completely a non-technical thing. So, you guys are killing it. This is you guys are killing it. This is you guys are killing it. This is awesome. awesome. awesome. But Bill got to have an opinion. This But Bill got to have an opinion. This But Bill got to have an opinion. This scary episode. This should be a scary scary episode. This should be a scary scary episode. This should be a scary episode for most that are listening that episode for most that are listening that episode for most that are listening that somebody's got to say, but you know, somebody's got to say, but you know, somebody's got to say, but you know, we're the minority. Honestly, this is a we're the minority. Honestly, this is a we're the minority. Honestly, this is a very minority perspective because but very minority perspective because but very minority perspective because but then that's what's even more disturbing then that's what's even more disturbing then that's what's even more disturbing is that people just don't see it. And is that people just don't see it. And is that people just don't see it. And you know I I I you know the more I I I you know I I I you know the more I I I you know I I I you know the more I I I mean I see solutions I see areas where mean I see solutions I see areas where mean I see solutions I see areas where there's going to be a huge benefit for there's going to be a huge benefit for there's going to be a huge benefit for humans to people to invest in uh to humans to people to invest in uh to humans to people to invest in uh to address the upcoming problems and cyber address the upcoming problems and cyber address the upcoming problems and cyber security cyber trust the demand of cyber security cyber trust the demand of cyber security cyber trust the demand of cyber trust is going to be huge whether and trust is going to be huge whether and trust is going to be huge whether and IoT uh bringing you know bringing IoT uh bringing you know bringing IoT uh bringing you know bringing everything back to IoT everything back to IoT everything back to IoT um we we as IoT community right have to um we we as IoT community right have to um we we as IoT community right have to figure figure out how to instill trust. figure figure out how to instill trust. figure figure out how to instill trust. That's always been a challenge, right? That's always been a challenge, right? That's always been a challenge, right? But we don't have enough vendors talking But we don't have enough vendors talking But we don't have enough vendors talking about trust. They talk about, oh, you about trust. They talk about, oh, you about trust. They talk about, oh, you know, is your [ __ ] encrypted? It's know, is your [ __ ] encrypted? It's know, is your [ __ ] encrypted? It's like that's like that's like that's I know my eyes roll every time think I know my eyes roll every time think I know my eyes roll every time think people think encryption is like the uh people think encryption is like the uh people think encryption is like the uh the solution to everything. It's like the solution to everything. It's like the solution to everything. It's like no, not exactly. And then privacy a no, not exactly. And then privacy a no, not exactly. And then privacy a privacy um contact. I'm like that privacy um contact. I'm like that privacy um contact. I'm like that doesn't mean anything. That's almost doesn't mean anything. That's almost doesn't mean anything. That's almost like there's a difference between having like there's a difference between having like there's a difference between having a having a key to a house and owning a a having a key to a house and owning a a having a key to a house and owning a house, right? So in a private

house, right? So in a private house, right? So in a private perspective, you have a right, right? perspective, you have a right, right? perspective, you have a right, right? Almost like owning a house. That's Almost like owning a house. That's Almost like owning a house. That's different than having a key that different than having a key that different than having a key that protects the house. And then who has the protects the house. And then who has the protects the house. And then who has the key? Anybody can have a key. I have a key? Anybody can have a key. I have a key? Anybody can have a key. I have a little cyber security anecdote. So we little cyber security anecdote. So we little cyber security anecdote. So we have this event coming up uh at Milan have this event coming up uh at Milan have this event coming up uh at Milan 2025 July 2nd through the 4th. by the 2025 July 2nd through the 4th. by the 2025 July 2nd through the 4th. by the way, it's going to be awesome. Uh, and way, it's going to be awesome. Uh, and way, it's going to be awesome. Uh, and you should go to our website at JF you should go to our website at JF you should go to our website at JF Foundation and register. But what was Foundation and register. But what was Foundation and register. But what was really interesting was and we're getting really interesting was and we're getting really interesting was and we're getting popular and like I've seeing I'm seeing popular and like I've seeing I'm seeing popular and like I've seeing I'm seeing our logo our logo getting everywhere, our logo our logo getting everywhere, our logo our logo getting everywhere, dude. People are putting on their dude. People are putting on their dude. People are putting on their websites and stuff. I'm like, who is websites and stuff. I'm like, who is websites and stuff. I'm like, who is this people? But anyway, someone someone this people? But anyway, someone someone this people? But anyway, someone someone of our partners emailed me say, hey, I of our partners emailed me say, hey, I of our partners emailed me say, hey, I got this email and it said, are you got this email and it said, are you got this email and it said, are you interested in the attendee list for the interested in the attendee list for the interested in the attendee list for the Edgi Foundation Milan 2025 here? And it Edgi Foundation Milan 2025 here? And it Edgi Foundation Milan 2025 here? And it had our logo had our logo at the footer had our logo had our logo at the footer had our logo had our logo at the footer of the email. So it was like a fishing of the email. So it was like a fishing of the email. So it was like a fishing email. Jeez. Someone trying to sell a email. Jeez. Someone trying to sell a email. Jeez. Someone trying to sell a list to one of our events with our logo list to one of our events with our logo list to one of our events with our logo on it. Your to a certain extent. I was on it. Your to a certain extent. I was on it. Your to a certain extent. I was like, "Hey, pretty that's pretty cool."

like, "Hey, pretty that's pretty cool." like, "Hey, pretty that's pretty cool." Like, you know, we're worth uh we're Like, you know, we're worth uh we're Like, you know, we're worth uh we're worth hacking or whatever. Yes, we've worth hacking or whatever. Yes, we've worth hacking or whatever. Yes, we've made it. Um but you know, it's amazing made it. Um but you know, it's amazing made it. Um but you know, it's amazing the the this is the lack of trust like the the this is the lack of trust like the the this is the lack of trust like you said. It's just it's becoming you said. It's just it's becoming you said. It's just it's becoming pervasive on on data breaches. I mean, pervasive on on data breaches. I mean, pervasive on on data breaches. I mean, and and all that stuff. and and all that stuff. and and all that stuff. And um it's only going to get worse. I'm And um it's only going to get worse. I'm And um it's only going to get worse. I'm glad I'm glad that you brought that up glad I'm glad that you brought that up glad I'm glad that you brought that up that this is a huge that this is a huge that this is a huge uh issue with um like ransomware and uh issue with um like ransomware and uh issue with um like ransomware and fishing where some of these lists may fishing where some of these lists may fishing where some of these lists may maybe not your list. So depending on maybe not your list. So depending on maybe not your list. So depending on what what they're on the list for or of, what what they're on the list for or of, what what they're on the list for or of, you know, maybe it's of a maybe an you know, maybe it's of a maybe an you know, maybe it's of a maybe an application or something that that gives application or something that that gives application or something that that gives someone more information about someone someone more information about someone someone more information about someone that they may would not have otherwise that they may would not have otherwise that they may would not have otherwise known and gives them known and gives them known and gives them enough credibility to write a message to enough credibility to write a message to enough credibility to write a message to make them click on a link or something. make them click on a link or something. make them click on a link or something. And so yeah, I think people are talking And so yeah, I think people are talking And so yeah, I think people are talking a lot about these list and I get emails a lot about these list and I get emails a lot about these list and I get emails all the time from marker saying, "Hey, I all the time from marker saying, "Hey, I all the time from marker saying, "Hey, I have a list of people who use this have a list of people who use this have a list of people who use this software or goes and stuff like that."

software or goes and stuff like that." software or goes and stuff like that." It's like I thought, man, this could be It's like I thought, man, this could be It's like I thought, man, this could be like super dangerous based like super dangerous based like super dangerous based on what they do with it. Now, you guys on what they do with it. Now, you guys on what they do with it. Now, you guys tell me this, but I have the the most tell me this, but I have the the most tell me this, but I have the the most common one I've been getting lately. Um, common one I've been getting lately. Um, common one I've been getting lately. Um, and I'm like, there's something tied to and I'm like, there's something tied to and I'm like, there's something tied to this, but I never go to the next level this, but I never go to the next level this, but I never go to the next level with them. But I get at least one text a with them. But I get at least one text a with them. But I get at least one text a week from someone I don't know. And and week from someone I don't know. And and week from someone I don't know. And and they're texting me something I don't they're texting me something I don't they're texting me something I don't even know what they're talking about. even know what they're talking about. even know what they're talking about. Oh, meet me at the barbecue next week. Oh, meet me at the barbecue next week. Oh, meet me at the barbecue next week. You know, something wild. But I'm like, You know, something wild. But I'm like, You know, something wild. But I'm like, what are they going to do next? Cuz of what are they going to do next? Cuz of what are they going to do next? Cuz of course I never respond, but I'm like, course I never respond, but I'm like, course I never respond, but I'm like, this is the beginning of a scam and this is the beginning of a scam and this is the beginning of a scam and they're trying me every week with they're trying me every week with they're trying me every week with something random, different number, something random, different number, something random, different number, different area code. That's one I've different area code. That's one I've different area code. That's one I've been getting. And then another one is on been getting. And then another one is on been getting. And then another one is on my Etsy store for IoT Coffee Talk and my Etsy store for IoT Coffee Talk and my Etsy store for IoT Coffee Talk and I'm starting to get random, oh, I love I'm starting to get random, oh, I love I'm starting to get random, oh, I love your site. This is great, but they're your site. This is great, but they're your site. This is great, but they're opening the door for something. They're opening the door for something. They're opening the door for something. They're going to send me a link to, you know, going to send me a link to, you know, going to send me a link to, you know, there. It's not a legitimate there. It's not a legitimate there. It's not a legitimate conversation. No. And I'm like, they're conversation. No. And I'm like, they're conversation. No. And I'm like, they're really starting to get into the little really starting to get into the little really starting to get into the little nooks and crannies of me as my personal nooks and crannies of me as my personal nooks and crannies of me as my personal life to try to get me. Right. It's like life to try to get me. Right. It's like life to try to get me. Right. It's like a numbers game. The first thing that a numbers game. The first thing that a numbers game. The first thing that they're going after is your IP address, they're going after is your IP address, they're going after is your IP address, right? That's the very first thing that right? That's the very first thing that right? That's the very first thing that they're going. How do you get your How they're going. How do you get your How they're going. How do you get your How do they get the IP address from an uh a do they get the IP address from an uh a do they get the IP address from an uh a text change? No, you have to respond.

text change? No, you have to respond. text change? No, you have to respond. Have to respond first and then they're Have to respond first and then they're Have to respond first and then they're connected. Gotcha. And anywhere anywhere connected. Gotcha. And anywhere anywhere connected. Gotcha. And anywhere anywhere else, I mean, basically that is like one else, I mean, basically that is like one else, I mean, basically that is like one of the one of the first back doors that of the one of the first back doors that of the one of the first back doors that that into any system, right? And then that into any system, right? And then that into any system, right? And then depending on how sophisticated they are, depending on how sophisticated they are, depending on how sophisticated they are, then you know they they may jump right then you know they they may jump right then you know they they may jump right past you, but you opened up the door and past you, but you opened up the door and past you, but you opened up the door and they're like, "Thanks." And they ran they're like, "Thanks." And they ran they're like, "Thanks." And they ran right into the kitchen and started right into the kitchen and started right into the kitchen and started eating your food. They don't. And what you're saying, They don't. And what you're saying, Bill, is they didn't need the key. No, Bill, is they didn't need the key. No, Bill, is they didn't need the key. No, no, no. They just break in. They break no, no. They just break in. They break no, no. They just break in. They break the glass and then you just you just let the glass and then you just you just let the glass and then you just you just let them you just let you let them in, them you just let you let them in, them you just let you let them in, right? Door. It's a numbers game. And right? Door. It's a numbers game. And right? Door. It's a numbers game. And you know, the issue is for we're all of you know, the issue is for we're all of you know, the issue is for we're all of us. We're we're reasonably educated and us. We're we're reasonably educated and us. We're we're reasonably educated and sophisticated on this, but you know, we sophisticated on this, but you know, we sophisticated on this, but you know, we all have aunts and uncles and folks that all have aunts and uncles and folks that all have aunts and uncles and folks that we know that maybe family members. Yeah. we know that maybe family members. Yeah. we know that maybe family members. Yeah. family members that family members. It family members that family members. It family members that family members. It happens all the time and you can imagine happens all the time and you can imagine happens all the time and you can imagine it's a numbers game. Like I was talking it's a numbers game. Like I was talking it's a numbers game. Like I was talking to my mother-in-law yesterday. She's to my mother-in-law yesterday. She's to my mother-in-law yesterday. She's like, "I don't even answer the phone like, "I don't even answer the phone like, "I don't even answer the phone anymore. I never answer the phone." anymore. I never answer the phone." anymore. I never answer the phone." Yeah. You know, even if I recognize the Yeah. You know, even if I recognize the Yeah. You know, even if I recognize the number, I don't answer it. Me neither.

number, I don't answer it. Me neither. number, I don't answer it. Me neither. Like because I just get too many scam Like because I just get too many scam Like because I just get too many scam calls and whatever. So, she's just like, calls and whatever. So, she's just like, calls and whatever. So, she's just like, "That's it. She just doesn't answer the "That's it. She just doesn't answer the "That's it. She just doesn't answer the phone period." Which that's one way of phone period." Which that's one way of phone period." Which that's one way of doing it. It's crazy. Well, she's she's doing it. It's crazy. Well, she's she's doing it. It's crazy. Well, she's she's uh she's on top of the trend cuz like uh she's on top of the trend cuz like uh she's on top of the trend cuz like young people don't answer the phone. young people don't answer the phone. young people don't answer the phone. It's it's true someone, right? Following It's it's true someone, right? Following It's it's true someone, right? Following the trend. Yeah. How dare you call me the trend. Yeah. How dare you call me the trend. Yeah. How dare you call me when you could have texted me when you could have texted me when you could have texted me or text me before calling me. or text me before calling me. or text me before calling me. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I get that one. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I get that one. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I get that one. Yeah. Actually, you know, that there there's Actually, you know, that there there's Actually, you know, that there there's like decorum, right? Nowadays, people like decorum, right? Nowadays, people like decorum, right? Nowadays, people they go, "Hi, is XYZ there?" You know, they go, "Hi, is XYZ there?" You know, they go, "Hi, is XYZ there?" You know, when they're calling. I was when they're calling. I was when they're calling. I was like, when they do that, I hang up the like, when they do that, I hang up the like, when they do that, I hang up the phone. Right. you already know that is phone. Right. you already know that is phone. Right. you already know that is hi my name is XYZ I'm with this you you hi my name is XYZ I'm with this you you hi my name is XYZ I'm with this you you know you identify yourself I I don't know you identify yourself I I don't know you identify yourself I I don't know where this practice went away but know where this practice went away but know where this practice went away but if you call someone you you should if you call someone you you should if you call someone you you should identify yourself especially if you're identify yourself especially if you're identify yourself especially if you're calling someone that you don't you've calling someone that you don't you've calling someone that you don't you've never called before you don't call very never called before you don't call very never called before you don't call very often is there um there's a business often is there um there's a business often is there um there's a business here is there an ISP that has an here is there an ISP that has an here is there an ISP that has an offering for uh data and text only no offering for uh data and text only no offering for uh data and text only no voice voice voice I'm sure I'm sure we could there's I'm sure I'm sure we could there's I'm sure I'm sure we could there's something to do here because I know the something to do here because I know the something to do here because I know the new the the young generation they would new the the young generation they would new the the young generation they would buy into that if it's a bit cheaper than buy into that if it's a bit cheaper than buy into that if it's a bit cheaper than the actual the actual the actual however they may not do phone calls but however they may not do phone calls but however they may not do phone calls but here in the states it's for sure they do here in the states it's for sure they do here in the states it's for sure they do FaceTime lots of groups FaceTimes where

FaceTime lots of groups FaceTimes where FaceTime lots of groups FaceTimes where there'll be like 10 boys like pre-teens there'll be like 10 boys like pre-teens there'll be like 10 boys like pre-teens and I can hear all their voices in my and I can hear all their voices in my and I can hear all their voices in my kids' room and I'm like are you on the kids' room and I'm like are you on the kids' room and I'm like are you on the phone? He's like no FaceTime. So they phone? He's like no FaceTime. So they phone? He's like no FaceTime. So they will FaceTime but they will not do a will FaceTime but they will not do a will FaceTime but they will not do a phone call and they will definitely not phone call and they will definitely not phone call and they will definitely not email that young. They don't email. No email that young. They don't email. No email that young. They don't email. No way. Oh yeah. I'm trying to send emails way. Oh yeah. I'm trying to send emails way. Oh yeah. I'm trying to send emails to my kids and and and one week later, to my kids and and and one week later, to my kids and and and one week later, did you read that email about the super did you read that email about the super did you read that email about the super important thing you had to RSVP for and important thing you had to RSVP for and important thing you had to RSVP for and just like what email? And then you look just like what email? And then you look just like what email? And then you look at their inbox and there's like 3,000 at their inbox and there's like 3,000 at their inbox and there's like 3,000 unread email and you're just like and unread email and you're just like and unread email and you're just like and they're just like, yeah, I'm giving up. they're just like, yeah, I'm giving up. they're just like, yeah, I'm giving up. Like I'm not reading that. Yeah. Okay. Like I'm not reading that. Yeah. Okay. Like I'm not reading that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that is that's a different it's a Yeah, that is that's a different it's a Yeah, that is that's a different it's a different problem. You talk about trend different problem. You talk about trend different problem. You talk about trend lines, the way we communicate and how lines, the way we communicate and how lines, the way we communicate and how it's evolved. It's so different and it's it's evolved. It's so different and it's it's evolved. It's so different and it's so you're so unattached now from your so you're so unattached now from your so you're so unattached now from your people and that's how the kids are and people and that's how the kids are and people and that's how the kids are and they will only attach themselves to they will only attach themselves to they will only attach themselves to their immediate friends and that's it. their immediate friends and that's it. their immediate friends and that's it. Yeah, Pete, we need to restart the kin Yeah, Pete, we need to restart the kin Yeah, Pete, we need to restart the kin business. The kin device. That's right.

business. The kin device. That's right. business. The kin device. That's right. doing all these social media and I have doing all these social media and I have doing all these social media and I have a case of them in my garage. We we can a case of them in my garage. We we can a case of them in my garage. We we can get started with those. get started with those. get started with those. Look at you. Let's do it. Mint in box. Look at you. Let's do it. Mint in box. Look at you. Let's do it. Mint in box. Kin 2. It's going to be called Kin 2. Kin 2. It's going to be called Kin 2. Kin 2. It's going to be called Kin 2. Kin two. Electric Baloo. Um, hey Debbie, I cut I think I Baloo. Um, hey Debbie, I cut I think I cut you off. you were going to make a cut you off. you were going to make a cut you off. you were going to make a point earlier. point earlier. point earlier. Oh, did you forget? Oh, did you forget? Oh, did you forget? Um, Um, Um, my I tell all my elderly people that I my I tell all my elderly people that I my I tell all my elderly people that I know about these the phone calls that know about these the phone calls that know about these the phone calls that they get and not like responding like a they get and not like responding like a they get and not like responding like a lot of times pick up a phone and not say lot of times pick up a phone and not say lot of times pick up a phone and not say anything and eventually they'll at least anything and eventually they'll at least anything and eventually they'll at least that call will stop. They think it's that call will stop. They think it's that call will stop. They think it's like a dead number or something. Yeah. like a dead number or something. Yeah. like a dead number or something. Yeah. But Stephen told me cuz I was I was But Stephen told me cuz I was I was But Stephen told me cuz I was I was going to tell her, you know, don't going to tell her, you know, don't going to tell her, you know, don't answer questions they ask you, right?

answer questions they ask you, right? answer questions they ask you, right? Because and she picked it right up. Because and she picked it right up. Because and she picked it right up. She's like, "Yeah, cuz they'll the She's like, "Yeah, cuz they'll the She's like, "Yeah, cuz they'll the answer you give or response you give, answer you give or response you give, answer you give or response you give, they can record that and put it on other they can record that and put it on other they can record that and put it on other things." So like they'll try to get you things." So like they'll try to get you things." So like they'll try to get you to say yes so that they can record it to say yes so that they can record it to say yes so that they can record it and and have you maybe your credit card and and have you maybe your credit card and and have you maybe your credit card company that uses voice prompts and company that uses voice prompts and company that uses voice prompts and stuff. So she said if she says anything, stuff. So she said if she says anything, stuff. So she said if she says anything, she's like, "Hey." she's like, "Hey." she's like, "Hey." Probably do a AI voice print, you know, Probably do a AI voice print, you know, Probably do a AI voice print, you know, and simulate. I wonder I wonder why all and simulate. I wonder I wonder why all and simulate. I wonder I wonder why all of these automated systems that use like of these automated systems that use like of these automated systems that use like an AI voice to start the call off. They an AI voice to start the call off. They an AI voice to start the call off. They have not they've not done a good job at have not they've not done a good job at have not they've not done a good job at the time cuz it's usually too many the time cuz it's usually too many the time cuz it's usually too many seconds before you hear them. And if I seconds before you hear them. And if I seconds before you hear them. And if I hear a two second like emptiness, um, hear a two second like emptiness, um, hear a two second like emptiness, um, that call is going to get hung up on no that call is going to get hung up on no that call is going to get hung up on no matter what cuz I already know it's a matter what cuz I already know it's a matter what cuz I already know it's a system. But they have not done I'm system. But they have not done I'm system. But they have not done I'm surprised they haven't done a good job surprised they haven't done a good job surprised they haven't done a good job at really starting that conversation at really starting that conversation at really starting that conversation immediately. Sure. It's coming. Oh, immediately. Sure. It's coming. Oh, immediately. Sure. It's coming. Oh, well, they they they've done they've well, they they they've done they've well, they they they've done they've done a a piss poor job with the done a a piss poor job with the done a a piss poor job with the interviews as well. Well, did you see interviews as well. Well, did you see interviews as well. Well, did you see the did you see the one where the the the did you see the one where the the the did you see the one where the the two AI agents were uh talking to each two AI agents were uh talking to each two AI agents were uh talking to each other? I didn't see that. No, I haven't other? I didn't see that. No, I haven't other? I didn't see that. No, I haven't seen that. It was It was during an seen that. It was It was during an seen that. It was It was during an interview and you know uh and the guy I interview and you know uh and the guy I interview and you know uh and the guy I mean look it's on Tik Tok and and the mean look it's on Tik Tok and and the mean look it's on Tik Tok and and the two AI agents are interviewing each two AI agents are interviewing each two AI agents are interviewing each other. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. That's other. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. That's other. I love it. Yeah. Yeah. That's that um that's that Microsoft, right? Is that um that's that Microsoft, right? Is that um that's that Microsoft, right? Is it what did someone set it up to where it what did someone set it up to where it what did someone set it up to where they had two phones and they did it or they had two phones and they did it or they had two phones and they did it or did it was all one one screen and it was

did it was all one one screen and it was did it was all one one screen and it was supposed to be a group interview but the supposed to be a group interview but the supposed to be a group interview but the AI agent started interviewing each AI agent started interviewing each AI agent started interviewing each other. other. other. Strange. I have another another Strange. I have another another Strange. I have another another interesting scam anecdote. So my the interesting scam anecdote. So my the interesting scam anecdote. So my the same mother-in-law I had about a year or same mother-in-law I had about a year or same mother-in-law I had about a year or so ago, she called me and she said, so ago, she called me and she said, so ago, she called me and she said, "I've won Publishers Clearing House." "I've won Publishers Clearing House." "I've won Publishers Clearing House." And I was like, "Oh boy, here we go." Um And I was like, "Oh boy, here we go." Um And I was like, "Oh boy, here we go." Um and I'm like, "What happened?" He's and I'm like, "What happened?" He's and I'm like, "What happened?" He's like, "Oh, yeah. Well, they notified me like, "Oh, yeah. Well, they notified me like, "Oh, yeah. Well, they notified me and I won this thing and d" and I was and I won this thing and d" and I was and I won this thing and d" and I was like, "Okay, don't don't answer the like, "Okay, don't don't answer the like, "Okay, don't don't answer the phone. Don't you know?" And so, talk to phone. Don't you know?" And so, talk to phone. Don't you know?" And so, talk to my wife and and so I was like, "Okay, so my wife and and so I was like, "Okay, so my wife and and so I was like, "Okay, so you call them." And so they called and you call them." And so they called and you call them." And so they called and they they called Publishers Clehouse they they called Publishers Clehouse they they called Publishers Clehouse themselves and they clarified, you know, themselves and they clarified, you know, themselves and they clarified, you know, and they actually she actually ended up and they actually she actually ended up and they actually she actually ended up winning. She like 60,000 bucks. But uh winning. She like 60,000 bucks. But uh winning. She like 60,000 bucks. But uh we we I know it's crazy. we we I know it's crazy. we we I know it's crazy. Even like the money I'm like, "Well, Even like the money I'm like, "Well, Even like the money I'm like, "Well, they can send you the check. I don't they can send you the check. I don't they can send you the check. I don't give them any bank information. and they give them any bank information. and they give them any bank information. and they can send you a check. And they're like, can send you a check. And they're like, can send you a check. And they're like, "Okay, they sent me the check and I'm "Okay, they sent me the check and I'm "Okay, they sent me the check and I'm like, okay, put it put it in the bank like, okay, put it put it in the bank like, okay, put it put it in the bank and let's see if it clears." And she put and let's see if it clears." And she put and let's see if it clears." And she put it in the bank and the check cleared and it in the bank and the check cleared and it in the bank and the check cleared and she ended up winning. It was crazy. So, she ended up winning. It was crazy. So, she ended up winning. It was crazy. So, uh, but uh, but uh, but she point the point is that we thought she point the point is that we thought she point the point is that we thought she was going to get she was going to get she was going to get scammed, but she actually ended up scammed, but she actually ended up scammed, but she actually ended up winning a lot of money. So, there you winning a lot of money. So, there you winning a lot of money. So, there you go. But, you know, so, but you have to go. But, you know, so, but you have to go. But, you know, so, but you have to verify from your end, right? So, you verify from your end, right? So, you verify from your end, right? So, you have to tell them, you have to verify have to tell them, you have to verify have to tell them, you have to verify it, then trust. not like you you got to it, then trust. not like you you got to it, then trust. not like you you got to initiate the the uh the all the initiate the the uh the all the initiate the the uh the all the communication to verify. I think the communication to verify. I think the communication to verify. I think the other one that's that that's really other one that's that that's really other one that's that that's really going strong too is now when you search going strong too is now when you search going strong too is now when you search for a company um of course you've got

for a company um of course you've got for a company um of course you've got you know Google has their little AI tool you know Google has their little AI tool you know Google has their little AI tool at the top whatever but now what you're at the top whatever but now what you're at the top whatever but now what you're seeing is the results there um it looks seeing is the results there um it looks seeing is the results there um it looks like the legitimate company and they're like the legitimate company and they're like the legitimate company and they're disguising themselves. So even the disguising themselves. So even the disguising themselves. So even the websites at the top of your search websites at the top of your search websites at the top of your search engine list is not the actual like it's engine list is not the actual like it's engine list is not the actual like it's like you have to sit there and key in like you have to sit there and key in like you have to sit there and key in that website that you already know and that website that you already know and that website that you already know and if you don't know it you might be going if you don't know it you might be going if you don't know it you might be going to some other website and you and it to some other website and you and it to some other website and you and it looks just like well they should have a looks just like well they should have a looks just like well they should have a browser extension that blocks all the browser extension that blocks all the browser extension that blocks all the sponsored results and only shows you Oh sponsored results and only shows you Oh sponsored results and only shows you Oh yeah they're going to do that then you yeah they're going to do that then you yeah they're going to do that then you won't have uh Well, I mean Google won't have uh Well, I mean Google won't have uh Well, I mean Google wouldn't make it but someone could rock wouldn't make it but someone could rock wouldn't make it but someone could rock that. Yeah. that. Yeah. that. Yeah. Yeah. No, it it it's getting real Yeah. No, it it it's getting real Yeah. No, it it it's getting real because um I feel sorry for Docuine because um I feel sorry for Docuine because um I feel sorry for Docuine because they they're being leveraged because they they're being leveraged because they they're being leveraged I think at a massive scale in scams. You I think at a massive scale in scams. You I think at a massive scale in scams. You you guys have probably received emails, you guys have probably received emails, you guys have probably received emails, fishing emails with, you know, before it fishing emails with, you know, before it fishing emails with, you know, before it you could tell it was fake. Now you you could tell it was fake. Now you you could tell it was fake. Now you can't tell it's fake. It it it looks can't tell it's fake. It it it looks can't tell it's fake. It it it looks straight up legitimate. If you go and straight up legitimate. If you go and straight up legitimate. If you go and you look at the email addresses, you you look at the email addresses, you you look at the email addresses, you know, they're all they're legit. It it's know, they're all they're legit. It it's know, they're all they're legit. It it's like scary. I got one last week, like scary. I got one last week, like scary. I got one last week, Leonard, that was it was from my old EA.

Leonard, that was it was from my old EA. Leonard, that was it was from my old EA. I had an an executive assistant for a I had an an executive assistant for a I had an an executive assistant for a while and it and it had like a reply to while and it and it had like a reply to while and it and it had like a reply to her that they forwarded to me and they her that they forwarded to me and they her that they forwarded to me and they were like, "This PO has been open, you were like, "This PO has been open, you were like, "This PO has been open, you know, this and it was like you still owe know, this and it was like you still owe know, this and it was like you still owe 143,000." 143,000." 143,000." And I was like, "So there They're really And I was like, "So there They're really And I was like, "So there They're really working some deep old angles and I'm working some deep old angles and I'm working some deep old angles and I'm like, "Wow, I hadn't had her as an EA in like, "Wow, I hadn't had her as an EA in like, "Wow, I hadn't had her as an EA in few years." So, yeah, but it was it had few years." So, yeah, but it was it had few years." So, yeah, but it was it had it looked like a like it might be a PO. it looked like a like it might be a PO. it looked like a like it might be a PO. It might be an invoice. It might, you It might be an invoice. It might, you It might be an invoice. It might, you know, so I'm like they just But I know, so I'm like they just But I know, so I'm like they just But I already knew better. But this is the already knew better. But this is the already knew better. But this is the level that they're going through. level that they're going through. level that they're going through. They're digging deep with the They're digging deep with the They're digging deep with the relationships that you have and the relationships that you have and the relationships that you have and the clients that you have and trying to clients that you have and trying to clients that you have and trying to create documents that look like they are create documents that look like they are create documents that look like they are coming. You know, you getting a coming. You know, you getting a coming. You know, you getting a statement of work from someone like No. statement of work from someone like No. statement of work from someone like No. Yeah. And think about, you know, let's Yeah. And think about, you know, let's Yeah. And think about, you know, let's go back to the hundred trillion or the go back to the hundred trillion or the go back to the hundred trillion or the 10 trillion cyber criminal economy. It 10 trillion cyber criminal economy. It 10 trillion cyber criminal economy. It it's, you know, it's going to eventually it's, you know, it's going to eventually it's, you know, it's going to eventually have a platform to take things really to have a platform to take things really to have a platform to take things really to the next level. It's you have the dark the next level. It's you have the dark the next level. It's you have the dark web which now with all these data web which now with all these data web which now with all these data breaches, you know, they they basically breaches, you know, they they basically breaches, you know, they they basically have a nuke, right, that can take out have a nuke, right, that can take out have a nuke, right, that can take out like entire all of civilization.

like entire all of civilization. like entire all of civilization. Basically, all you have to do is put Basically, all you have to do is put Basically, all you have to do is put like a super AI on top of this thing and like a super AI on top of this thing and like a super AI on top of this thing and train it with everyone's information train it with everyone's information train it with everyone's information that's sitting in including social that's sitting in including social that's sitting in including social social security numbers and probably social security numbers and probably social security numbers and probably everything else that you can imagine everything else that you can imagine everything else that you can imagine sitting in the dark web. Think about how sitting in the dark web. Think about how sitting in the dark web. Think about how how mad all the different pathways. how mad all the different pathways. how mad all the different pathways. Yeah. I mean this is this is not even Yeah. I mean this is this is not even Yeah. I mean this is this is not even this is not even science fiction. This this is not even science fiction. This this is not even science fiction. This is going to be fact. Yeah. There's I is going to be fact. Yeah. There's I is going to be fact. Yeah. There's I mean if an economy is growing faster mean if an economy is growing faster mean if an economy is growing faster than any economy on the planet and at than any economy on the planet and at than any economy on the planet and at and is currently at a scale of you know and is currently at a scale of you know and is currently at a scale of you know $10 trillion a year and it was 8 $10 trillion a year and it was 8 $10 trillion a year and it was 8 trillion last trillion last trillion last year. Imagine that. I I I found out a year. Imagine that. I I I found out a year. Imagine that. I I I found out a month ago that my social is on the dark month ago that my social is on the dark month ago that my social is on the dark web and and it came from a financial web and and it came from a financial web and and it came from a financial institution institution institution and I have no recourse other than I have and I have no recourse other than I have and I have no recourse other than I have insurance and all of that that if my you insurance and all of that that if my you insurance and all of that that if my you know identity gets but I don't really know identity gets but I don't really know identity gets but I don't really have I'm like you know talking to uh have I'm like you know talking to uh have I'm like you know talking to uh some of the uh you know you can you can some of the uh you know you can you can some of the uh you know you can you can put some things in place with the credit put some things in place with the credit put some things in place with the credit bureaus but there's really not much you bureaus but there's really not much you bureaus but there's really not much you can't do can't do can't do anything Just monitor. You have to anything Just monitor. You have to anything Just monitor. You have to monitor everything and read your credit monitor everything and read your credit monitor everything and read your credit card statements every month. So here I card statements every month. So here I card statements every month. So here I am waiting for something to happen.

am waiting for something to happen. am waiting for something to happen. Yeah, pretty much. I know a business we Yeah, pretty much. I know a business we Yeah, pretty much. I know a business we can get into. It can be called cyber uh can get into. It can be called cyber uh can get into. It can be called cyber uh it could be cyber cave. It's like people it could be cyber cave. It's like people it could be cyber cave. It's like people who want to just like you know go dark who want to just like you know go dark who want to just like you know go dark and you know find a cave to hide in from and you know find a cave to hide in from and you know find a cave to hide in from all this cyber stuff. A digital cave. all this cyber stuff. A digital cave. all this cyber stuff. A digital cave. Yeah. Yeah. It's like that you know Yeah. Yeah. It's like that you know Yeah. Yeah. It's like that you know Battlestar Galactica stuff that we Battlestar Galactica stuff that we Battlestar Galactica stuff that we talked about all time. But and you know talked about all time. But and you know talked about all time. But and you know the fight the cost of instilling trust the fight the cost of instilling trust the fight the cost of instilling trust is tremendous, right? It's going to get is tremendous, right? It's going to get is tremendous, right? It's going to get worse and worse and worse. And I mean worse and worse and worse. And I mean worse and worse and worse. And I mean this is the stuff that like when I go to this is the stuff that like when I go to this is the stuff that like when I go to all these conferences and I'm talking all these conferences and I'm talking all these conferences and I'm talking and I always ask about cyber security and I always ask about cyber security and I always ask about cyber security and cyber trust, right? That is and cyber trust, right? That is and cyber trust, right? That is foundation of my research agenda. I I I foundation of my research agenda. I I I foundation of my research agenda. I I I I just get freaking scared. And I And I I just get freaking scared. And I And I I just get freaking scared. And I And I literally go um like what we were say literally go um like what we were say literally go um like what we were say talking about earlier, Olivier, put me talking about earlier, Olivier, put me talking about earlier, Olivier, put me back in the freaking Matrix. Put me back back in the freaking Matrix. Put me back back in the freaking Matrix. Put me back in the Matrix. I want to eat like in the Matrix. I want to eat like in the Matrix. I want to eat like freaking that juicy steak that everyone freaking that juicy steak that everyone freaking that juicy steak that everyone else is eating and, you know, be in that else is eating and, you know, be in that else is eating and, you know, be in that fancy restaurant. I I don't want to see fancy restaurant. I I don't want to see fancy restaurant. I I don't want to see what I see. It It's insane. It's insane.

what I see. It It's insane. It's insane. what I see. It It's insane. It's insane. You want to be like Rob, huh? Be like You want to be like Rob, huh? Be like You want to be like Rob, huh? Be like Rob. Eat fancy steaks. Rob. Eat fancy steaks. Rob. Eat fancy steaks. out in the delta lab. I'm delta one out in the delta lab. I'm delta one out in the delta lab. I'm delta one habit business class. Oh my gosh. I habit business class. Oh my gosh. I habit business class. Oh my gosh. I don't know. It's not. Yeah, I see too don't know. It's not. Yeah, I see too don't know. It's not. Yeah, I see too much. Uh we see is life block publicly much. Uh we see is life block publicly much. Uh we see is life block publicly traded? Maybe that's that. Maybe that's traded? Maybe that's that. Maybe that's traded? Maybe that's that. Maybe that's the investment tip for the day. I don't the investment tip for the day. I don't the investment tip for the day. I don't Well, you know, I think the saving grace Well, you know, I think the saving grace Well, you know, I think the saving grace of all this and the hope is that at of all this and the hope is that at of all this and the hope is that at least, you know, if we the folks who see least, you know, if we the folks who see least, you know, if we the folks who see it can start to address it cuz the it can start to address it cuz the it can start to address it cuz the demand on the demand side for protecting demand on the demand side for protecting demand on the demand side for protecting the conventional economies is going to the conventional economies is going to the conventional economies is going to be cyber trust. Yeah. you know and I be cyber trust. Yeah. you know and I be cyber trust. Yeah. you know and I think um like you know I've been doing a think um like you know I've been doing a think um like you know I've been doing a lot of work with network APIs and lot of work with network APIs and lot of work with network APIs and operators on this topic and it's not sec operators on this topic and it's not sec operators on this topic and it's not sec not just security it's the trust element not just security it's the trust element not just security it's the trust element you know and a lot of it I think is you know and a lot of it I think is you know and a lot of it I think is going to become sovereign you can't you going to become sovereign you can't you going to become sovereign you can't you can't delegate your trust infrastructure can't delegate your trust infrastructure can't delegate your trust infrastructure to to to another country you have to have that another country you have to have that another country you have to have that foundation within that is maybe this is foundation within that is maybe this is foundation within that is maybe this is the killer app for aentic AI is you know the killer app for aentic AI is you know the killer app for aentic AI is you know your personal agent is your your your personal agent is your your your personal agent is your your personal cyber bodyguard basically is is personal cyber bodyguard basically is is personal cyber bodyguard basically is is with you at all times and monitoring all with you at all times and monitoring all with you at all times and monitoring all your stuff and making sure you don't your stuff and making sure you don't your stuff and making sure you don't open that email or answer that phone open that email or answer that phone open that email or answer that phone call or do I think all of us on IoT call or do I think all of us on IoT call or do I think all of us on IoT coffee talk would pay a premium for that coffee talk would pay a premium for that coffee talk would pay a premium for that if we knew that it would do do it do its if we knew that it would do do it do its if we knew that it would do do it do its job job job cyberbodyguard.com and that my question cyberbodyguard.com and that my question cyberbodyguard.com and that my question would be can you trust it? Yeah,

would be can you trust it? Yeah, would be can you trust it? Yeah, exactly. Well, you got a bodyguard for exactly. Well, you got a bodyguard for exactly. Well, you got a bodyguard for the bodyguard. It's got what do they the bodyguard. It's got what do they the bodyguard. It's got what do they call that? call that? call that? over a reasoning model there where you over a reasoning model there where you over a reasoning model there where you have multiple bodyguards enforcing trust have multiple bodyguards enforcing trust have multiple bodyguards enforcing trust on each other. Well, it's almost like on each other. Well, it's almost like on each other. Well, it's almost like you're open the door for the criminal. you're open the door for the criminal. you're open the door for the criminal. I'd be concerned if someone you built an I'd be concerned if someone you built an I'd be concerned if someone you built an agent and does everything you want, but agent and does everything you want, but agent and does everything you want, but then someone instead of breaking into then someone instead of breaking into then someone instead of breaking into all your stuff, they just take over your all your stuff, they just take over your all your stuff, they just take over your agent and have them do things have. agent and have them do things have. agent and have them do things have. Yeah, that's true. No, you would have to Yeah, that's true. No, you would have to Yeah, that's true. No, you would have to Yeah. But someone who who is like uh Yeah. But someone who who is like uh Yeah. But someone who who is like uh advising you is almost like a cyber advising you is almost like a cyber advising you is almost like a cyber bodyguard adviser that's monitor someone bodyguard adviser that's monitor someone bodyguard adviser that's monitor someone creates the digital twin to take for the creates the digital twin to take for the creates the digital twin to take for the agent and they know everything. 100%. agent and they know everything. 100%. agent and they know everything. 100%. 100%. Yeah. It's like body snatcher for 100%. Yeah. It's like body snatcher for 100%. Yeah. It's like body snatcher for your bodyguard. You know the the the your bodyguard. You know the the the your bodyguard. You know the the the literal the literal bad actor. literal the literal bad actor. literal the literal bad actor. Yeah. No, it's um it's people are not Yeah. No, it's um it's people are not Yeah. No, it's um it's people are not definitely not thinking this stuff definitely not thinking this stuff definitely not thinking this stuff through. But then, you know, the gravity through. But then, you know, the gravity through. But then, you know, the gravity of convenience and laziness, I mean, of convenience and laziness, I mean, of convenience and laziness, I mean, let's just call it what it is is flatout let's just call it what it is is flatout let's just call it what it is is flatout laziness is going to it's going to pull laziness is going to it's going to pull laziness is going to it's going to pull things in the wrong direction. It's um I things in the wrong direction. It's um I things in the wrong direction. It's um I think real real innovation is going to think real real innovation is going to think real real innovation is going to be how do we protect everyone and create be how do we protect everyone and create be how do we protect everyone and create safe havens for people, you know, around safe havens for people, you know, around safe havens for people, you know, around privacy, around, you know, an privacy, around, you know, an privacy, around, you know, an organization, around a government, a organization, around a government, a organization, around a government, a nation, you know, you know what I'm nation, you know, you know what I'm nation, you know, you know what I'm saying? It's and those questions have saying? It's and those questions have saying? It's and those questions have not been answered. There's really not

not been answered. There's really not not been answered. There's really not people when they think of trust still people when they think of trust still people when they think of trust still still think in terms of just identity. still think in terms of just identity. still think in terms of just identity. Trust is much broader than that and and Trust is much broader than that and and Trust is much broader than that and and then they go oh you know it's part of then they go oh you know it's part of then they go oh you know it's part of security. It's like no you say that security. It's like no you say that security. It's like no you say that because you are in network security or because you are in network security or because you are in network security or you're in endpoint security. Trust is a you're in endpoint security. Trust is a you're in endpoint security. Trust is a holistic thing is much bigger than that. holistic thing is much bigger than that. holistic thing is much bigger than that. Yeah. And people, you know, people don't Yeah. And people, you know, people don't Yeah. And people, you know, people don't tune into it because the the critical tune into it because the the critical tune into it because the the critical topic is such a macro topic and everyone topic is such a macro topic and everyone topic is such a macro topic and everyone is more of a player within a silo of the is more of a player within a silo of the is more of a player within a silo of the bigger picture. Right? So can you can bigger picture. Right? So can you can bigger picture. Right? So can you can you see the singularity? Can you see the you see the singularity? Can you see the you see the singularity? Can you see the black hole? You know that that's the black hole? You know that that's the black hole? You know that that's the biggest problem. That's where humans biggest problem. That's where humans biggest problem. That's where humans like us, people who have discussions like us, people who have discussions like us, people who have discussions like this and faking, you know, bat like this and faking, you know, bat like this and faking, you know, bat around real experiences and ground around real experiences and ground around real experiences and ground truths that we deal with on a daily truths that we deal with on a daily truths that we deal with on a daily basis or witness on a daily basis. basis or witness on a daily basis. basis or witness on a daily basis. That's what differentiates us, you know, That's what differentiates us, you know, That's what differentiates us, you know, and why probably so far so few people and why probably so far so few people and why probably so far so few people watch our show because they don't get watch our show because they don't get watch our show because they don't get it. They don't they don't see that there it. They don't they don't see that there it. They don't they don't see that there is a that's why no one watches the show.

is a that's why no one watches the show. is a that's why no one watches the show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. people who watch the show. There's no people who watch the show. There's no people who watch the show. There's no doubt about it. No, I'm just kidding. doubt about it. No, I'm just kidding. doubt about it. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm not kidding, too. I got a notific I I'm not kidding, too. I got a notific I I'm not kidding, too. I got a notific I got a notification last week um to got a notification last week um to got a notification last week um to nominate a podcast for the Signal nominate a podcast for the Signal nominate a podcast for the Signal Awards. Of course, I It was one of them. Awards. Of course, I It was one of them. Awards. Of course, I It was one of them. It's probably a fishing things. I don't It's probably a fishing things. I don't It's probably a fishing things. I don't I didn't trust it and didn't know what I didn't trust it and didn't know what I didn't trust it and didn't know what it was, but I was like, "We do deserve it was, but I was like, "We do deserve it was, but I was like, "We do deserve award." Damn it. Yeah, we got we got an award." Damn it. Yeah, we got we got an award." Damn it. Yeah, we got we got an award going on here. By the way, I know award going on here. By the way, I know award going on here. By the way, I know this is a dark episode, but it's this is a dark episode, but it's this is a dark episode, but it's somewhat related and people can go somewhat related and people can go somewhat related and people can go Google it offline, but I heard a pot, Google it offline, but I heard a pot, Google it offline, but I heard a pot, speaking of podcast, an episode the speaking of podcast, an episode the speaking of podcast, an episode the other day. It's talking about sort of a other day. It's talking about sort of a other day. It's talking about sort of a resurgence of popularity of the writings resurgence of popularity of the writings resurgence of popularity of the writings of Ted Kazinski, the Uni Bomber, and his of Ted Kazinski, the Uni Bomber, and his of Ted Kazinski, the Uni Bomber, and his manifesto. There's like folks now that manifesto. There's like folks now that manifesto. There's like folks now that are really like looking at what he wrote are really like looking at what he wrote are really like looking at what he wrote about technology and about technology and about technology and society, and there's it's very society, and there's it's very society, and there's it's very interesting. think it's a really weird interesting. think it's a really weird interesting. think it's a really weird subculture thing going on, but there's subculture thing going on, but there's subculture thing going on, but there's there's a whole movement around like his there's a whole movement around like his there's a whole movement around like his writings and stuff and um it's really writings and stuff and um it's really writings and stuff and um it's really weird, but you know, you look at what he weird, but you know, you look at what he weird, but you know, you look at what he wrote back on Tik Tok or where did you wrote back on Tik Tok or where did you wrote back on Tik Tok or where did you come across? It was a podcast episode come across? It was a podcast episode come across? It was a podcast episode from I don't know, something I'm from I don't know, something I'm from I don't know, something I'm listening to somewhere, but I was like, listening to somewhere, but I was like, listening to somewhere, but I was like, "Wow, that's interesting." It's like, "Wow, that's interesting." It's like, "Wow, that's interesting." It's like, yeah, it's like a whole thing out there.

yeah, it's like a whole thing out there. yeah, it's like a whole thing out there. So, if you go Google it, you can find So, if you go Google it, you can find So, if you go Google it, you can find all kinds of interesting stuff. A re a all kinds of interesting stuff. A re a all kinds of interesting stuff. A re a reanalysis of his writings. Obviously, reanalysis of his writings. Obviously, reanalysis of his writings. Obviously, terrible person. So, terrible person. So, terrible person. So, I mean, I said it I said it in January I mean, I said it I said it in January I mean, I said it I said it in January and and it's proving itself out, but and and it's proving itself out, but and and it's proving itself out, but 2025 is the year of FA and FO, 2025 is the year of FA and FO, 2025 is the year of FA and FO, which by the way, you're hearing a lot which by the way, you're hearing a lot which by the way, you're hearing a lot of you I I see that a lot nowadays, you of you I I see that a lot nowadays, you of you I I see that a lot nowadays, you know? I mean, that acronym people know? I mean, that acronym people know? I mean, that acronym people throwing around like crazy. Dude, you throwing around like crazy. Dude, you throwing around like crazy. Dude, you started a rub. You should. started a rub. You should. started a rub. You should. Yeah. Merch. You're a bad bad man. There it is. I knew it. I knew it. Oh my There it is. I knew it. I knew it. Oh my god. It's ridiculous. All right. Well, I god. It's ridiculous. All right. Well, I god. It's ridiculous. All right. Well, I think we can call it an episode, huh? Go think we can call it an episode, huh? Go think we can call it an episode, huh? Go ahead. That's a good way to wrap it up. ahead. That's a good way to wrap it up. ahead. That's a good way to wrap it up. See, we're we're all in tune. We're like See, we're we're all in tune. We're like See, we're we're all in tune. We're like uh we're a tight harmony here. We We uh we're a tight harmony here. We We uh we're a tight harmony here. We We know this is the uh this is the FA and know this is the uh this is the FA and know this is the uh this is the FA and FA and FO episode, especially around FA and FO episode, especially around FA and FO episode, especially around cyber res, cyber trust, cyber. Yeah, cyber res, cyber trust, cyber. Yeah, cyber res, cyber trust, cyber. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So, what Stephanie, you exactly. Yeah. So, what Stephanie, you exactly. Yeah. So, what Stephanie, you want to take us out or since you're want to take us out or since you're want to take us out or since you're represent? Oh, I am, too. But, well, represent? Oh, I am, too. But, well, represent? Oh, I am, too. But, well, we're we're we're all we had a lot of we're we're we're all we had a lot of we're we're we're all we had a lot of good rep today. Um, we do. All right, good rep today. Um, we do. All right, good rep today. Um, we do. All right, we're going to close it out. So, well, we're going to close it out. So, well, we're going to close it out. So, well, FA and FO is essentially our theme FA and FO is essentially our theme FA and FO is essentially our theme today. We, uh, you know what? You got to today. We, uh, you know what? You got to today. We, uh, you know what? You got to check out all the episodes at check out all the episodes at check out all the episodes at iotcop.com. And don't forget iotcop.com. And don't forget iotcop.com. And don't forget elevatorids.org. Get on board with us.

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