Destiny: Politics, Free Speech, Controversy, Sex, War, and Relationships | Lex Fridman Podcast #337

if you have a democratic style of if you have a democratic style of governance you are entrusting people governance you are entrusting people governance you are entrusting people with one of the most awesome and radical with one of the most awesome and radical with one of the most awesome and radical of responsibilities and that's saying of responsibilities and that's saying of responsibilities and that's saying that you're going to pick the people that you're going to pick the people that you're going to pick the people that are going to make some of the that are going to make some of the that are going to make some of the hardest decisions in all of human hardest decisions in all of human hardest decisions in all of human history if you're going to trust people history if you're going to trust people history if you're going to trust people to vote correctly you have to be able to to vote correctly you have to be able to to vote correctly you have to be able to trust them to have open and honest trust them to have open and honest trust them to have open and honest dialogue with each other whether that's dialogue with each other whether that's dialogue with each other whether that's Nazis or KKK people or whoever talking Nazis or KKK people or whoever talking Nazis or KKK people or whoever talking um you have to believe that your people um you have to believe that your people um you have to believe that your people are going to be able to rise above and are going to be able to rise above and are going to be able to rise above and make the correct determinations when make the correct determinations when make the correct determinations when they hear these types of speeches and if they hear these types of speeches and if they hear these types of speeches and if you're so worried that somebody's going you're so worried that somebody's going you're so worried that somebody's going to hear a certain political figure and to hear a certain political figure and to hear a certain political figure and they're going to be completely they're going to be completely they're going to be completely radicalized instantly then what that radicalized instantly then what that radicalized instantly then what that tells me is that you don't have enough tells me is that you don't have enough tells me is that you don't have enough faith in humans for democracy to be a faith in humans for democracy to be a faith in humans for democracy to be a viable institution which is fine you can viable institution which is fine you can viable institution which is fine you can be anti-democratic but you I don't think be anti-democratic but you I don't think be anti-democratic but you I don't think you can be pro-democracy and anti-free speech the following is a conversation speech the following is a conversation with Steven benell also known online as with Steven benell also known online as with Steven benell also known online as Destiny he's a video game streamer and Destiny he's a video game streamer and Destiny he's a video game streamer and political commentator one of the early political commentator one of the early political commentator one of the early pioneers of both live streaming in pioneers of both live streaming in pioneers of both live streaming in general and live streamed political general and live streamed political general and live streamed political debate and discourse politically he is a debate and discourse politically he is a debate and discourse politically he is a progressive identifying as either left progressive identifying as either left progressive identifying as either left or far-left depending on your or far-left depending on your or far-left depending on your perspective there are many reasons I perspective there are many reasons I perspective there are many reasons I wanted to talk to Stephen first I just wanted to talk to Stephen first I just wanted to talk to Stephen first I just talked to Ben Shapiro and many people talked to Ben Shapiro and many people talked to Ben Shapiro and many people have told me that Stephen is the bench have told me that Stephen is the bench have told me that Stephen is the bench Shiro of the left in terms of political Shiro of the left in terms of political Shiro of the left in terms of political perspective and exceptional debate perspective and exceptional debate perspective and exceptional debate skills second reason is he skillfully skills second reason is he skillfully skills second reason is he skillfully defends some nuanced non-standard View defends some nuanced non-standard View defends some nuanced non-standard View use at the same time being

use at the same time being use at the same time being pro-establishment pro- institutions and pro-establishment pro- institutions and pro-establishment pro- institutions and pro Biden while also being pro pro Biden while also being pro pro Biden while also being pro capitalism and pro- Free Speech third capitalism and pro- Free Speech third capitalism and pro- Free Speech third reason is he has been there at the reason is he has been there at the reason is he has been there at the beginning and throughout the meteoric beginning and throughout the meteoric beginning and throughout the meteoric rise of the video game live streaming rise of the video game live streaming rise of the video game live streaming community in some mainstream circles community in some mainstream circles community in some mainstream circles this community is not taken seriously this community is not taken seriously this community is not taken seriously perhaps because of its demographic perhaps because of its demographic perhaps because of its demographic distribution skewing young or perhaps distribution skewing young or perhaps distribution skewing young or perhaps because of the sometimes harsh style of because of the sometimes harsh style of because of the sometimes harsh style of communication but I think this community communication but I think this community communication but I think this community should be taken seriously and shown should be taken seriously and shown should be taken seriously and shown respect millions of young minds tune in respect millions of young minds tune in respect millions of young minds tune in to live streams like Destinies to to live streams like Destinies to to live streams like Destinies to question and to try to understand what question and to try to understand what question and to try to understand what is going on with the world often is going on with the world often is going on with the world often exploring challenging even controversial exploring challenging even controversial exploring challenging even controversial ideas the language is sometimes harsher ideas the language is sometimes harsher ideas the language is sometimes harsher and the humor sometimes meaner than I and the humor sometimes meaner than I and the humor sometimes meaner than I would prefer but I Grandpa Lex put on my would prefer but I Grandpa Lex put on my would prefer but I Grandpa Lex put on my rain boots and went into the beautiful rain boots and went into the beautiful rain boots and went into the beautiful chaotic muck of online discourse and chaotic muck of online discourse and chaotic muck of online discourse and have so far survived to tell the tale have so far survived to tell the tale have so far survived to tell the tale with a smile and even more love in my with a smile and even more love in my with a smile and even more love in my heart than heart than heart than before on top of all this we were lucky before on top of all this we were lucky before on top of all this we were lucky to have Molina Goron a popular streamer to have Molina Goron a popular streamer to have Molina Goron a popular streamer and World traveler join us at the end of and World traveler join us at the end of and World traveler join us at the end of the conversation you can check out her the conversation you can check out her the conversation you can check out her channel on twitch.tv/ Molina and you can channel on twitch.tv/ Molina and you can channel on twitch.tv/ Molina and you can check out Steven's channel on check out Steven's channel on check out Steven's channel on youtube.com Destiny this is Alex youtube.com Destiny this is Alex youtube.com Destiny this is Alex Freedman podcast to support it please Freedman podcast to support it please Freedman podcast to support it please check out our sponsors in the check out our sponsors in the check out our sponsors in the description and now dear friends here's

description and now dear friends here's description and now dear friends here's Destiny I don't know if you watched me Destiny I don't know if you watched me Destiny I don't know if you watched me watching your yay interview yeah thank watching your yay interview yeah thank watching your yay interview yeah thank you so much for I'm so curious when you so much for I'm so curious when you so much for I'm so curious when you're navigating a conversation like you're navigating a conversation like you're navigating a conversation like that are you how intentional is the that are you how intentional is the that are you how intentional is the thought process between like building thought process between like building thought process between like building Rapport and pushing and and giving a Rapport and pushing and and giving a Rapport and pushing and and giving a little let like zero zero intention I little let like zero zero intention I little let like zero zero intention I was watching and thank you so much it was watching and thank you so much it was watching and thank you so much it was very kind for you to review that was very kind for you to review that was very kind for you to review that conversation it meant a lot that you conversation it meant a lot that you conversation it meant a lot that you were complimentary Parts on the were complimentary Parts on the were complimentary Parts on the technical aspects of the conversation technical aspects of the conversation technical aspects of the conversation but no zero and I'm actually but no zero and I'm actually but no zero and I'm actually deliberately uh trying to avoid I think deliberately uh trying to avoid I think deliberately uh trying to avoid I think you've called a debate brain uhhuh uh you've called a debate brain uhhuh uh you've called a debate brain uhhuh uh which is just another flavor of thinking which is just another flavor of thinking which is just another flavor of thinking about like The Meta conversation trying about like The Meta conversation trying about like The Meta conversation trying to optimize how should this conversation to optimize how should this conversation to optimize how should this conversation go because I feel like the more you do go because I feel like the more you do go because I feel like the more you do that the better you get at that the less that the better you get at that the less that the better you get at that the less human connection you have like the less human connection you have like the less human connection you have like the less genuinely you're actually sitting there genuinely you're actually sitting there genuinely you're actually sitting there in the moment and listening to the in the moment and listening to the in the moment and listening to the person you're more like calculating person you're more like calculating person you're more like calculating what's the right thing to say versus what's the right thing to say versus what's the right thing to say versus like feeling what is uh what is that like feeling what is uh what is that like feeling what is uh what is that person feeling right now what what are person feeling right now what what are person feeling right now what what are they thinking that's what I'm trying to they thinking that's what I'm trying to they thinking that's what I'm trying to do is like putting myself in their mind do is like putting myself in their mind do is like putting myself in their mind and thinking what does the world look and thinking what does the world look and thinking what does the world look like to them what is the world feel like like to them what is the world feel like like to them what is the world feel like to them and so from that I truly try to to them and so from that I truly try to to them and so from that I truly try to listen now I'm also learning especially listen now I'm also learning especially listen now I'm also learning especially cuz Rogan and others have been giving me cuz Rogan and others have been giving me cuz Rogan and others have been giving me shit for not pushing back mhm it's good shit for not pushing back mhm it's good shit for not pushing back mhm it's good sometimes to say from a a place of care sometimes to say from a a place of care sometimes to say from a a place of care for the other human being to say for the other human being to say for the other human being to say stop what did you just say I don't think

stop what did you just say I don't think stop what did you just say I don't think that's represents who you are and what that's represents who you are and what that's represents who you are and what you really mean or maybe if it does at you really mean or maybe if it does at you really mean or maybe if it does at that time represents who they are I can that time represents who they are I can that time represents who they are I can see a better a better world if they grow see a better a better world if they grow see a better a better world if they grow into a different direction try to point into a different direction try to point into a different direction try to point that direction out to them there's a that direction out to them there's a that direction out to them there's a really complicated dance between letting really complicated dance between letting really complicated dance between letting somebody share their full story versus somebody share their full story versus somebody share their full story versus letting somebody like essentially I letting somebody like essentially I letting somebody like essentially I guess like prze your audience and it's guess like prze your audience and it's guess like prze your audience and it's like okay hold on let's take a minute like okay hold on let's take a minute like okay hold on let's take a minute here but yeah I used to be four or five here but yeah I used to be four or five here but yeah I used to be four or five years ago it was attack attack attack years ago it was attack attack attack years ago it was attack attack attack attack attack whatever you said and now attack attack whatever you said and now attack attack whatever you said and now I'm leaning way more towards the like I'm leaning way more towards the like I'm leaning way more towards the like okay well tell me how you feel about okay well tell me how you feel about okay well tell me how you feel about everything and then we'll go from there everything and then we'll go from there everything and then we'll go from there so a lot of people like my new approach so a lot of people like my new approach so a lot of people like my new approach some older fans who watch and they're some older fans who watch and they're some older fans who watch and they're like why are you letting this guy just like why are you letting this guy just like why are you letting this guy just Ramble On you know he said like five or Ramble On you know he said like five or Ramble On you know he said like five or six wrong things and you're only going six wrong things and you're only going six wrong things and you're only going to call him out on two of them and it's to call him out on two of them and it's to call him out on two of them and it's like just different styles of like just different styles of like just different styles of conversation but yeah do you do a lot of conversation but yeah do you do a lot of conversation but yeah do you do a lot of research beforehand too depending on the research beforehand too depending on the research beforehand too depending on the conversation yeah so if we're going to conversation yeah so if we're going to conversation yeah so if we're going to talk like vaccines and stuff yeah that's talk like vaccines and stuff yeah that's talk like vaccines and stuff yeah that's a ton of reading and stuff that I never a ton of reading and stuff that I never a ton of reading and stuff that I never thought I'd know going into it um if thought I'd know going into it um if thought I'd know going into it um if it's a more personal like political it's a more personal like political it's a more personal like political philosophy conversation there's not as philosophy conversation there's not as philosophy conversation there's not as much you can prepare for just it truly much you can prepare for just it truly much you can prepare for just it truly depends on the conversation how much are depends on the conversation how much are depends on the conversation how much are you actually listening to the other you actually listening to the other you actually listening to the other person always listening you have to person always listening you have to person always listening you have to listen because as soon as you stop listen because as soon as you stop listen because as soon as you stop listening the quality everything falls listening the quality everything falls listening the quality everything falls apart the connection disappears the apart the connection disappears the apart the connection disappears the quality of the conversation disappears quality of the conversation disappears quality of the conversation disappears but my natural inclination is to just be but my natural inclination is to just be but my natural inclination is to just be way more aggressive than normal so I way more aggressive than normal so I way more aggressive than normal so I have to constantly remind myself I guess have to constantly remind myself I guess have to constantly remind myself I guess you would call it a meta conversation you would call it a meta conversation you would call it a meta conversation like okay he's probably saying this like okay he's probably saying this like okay he's probably saying this because of that or we'll let him go here because of that or we'll let him go here because of that or we'll let him go here and then we'll stop later but um yeah and then we'll stop later but um yeah and then we'll stop later but um yeah cuz my my preferred style of cuz my my preferred style of cuz my my preferred style of conversation is like I'm going to talk conversation is like I'm going to talk conversation is like I'm going to talk and the second I say something you and the second I say something you and the second I say something you disagree with then let's iron it out

disagree with then let's iron it out disagree with then let's iron it out right like like I thinking like right like like I thinking like right like like I thinking like syllogisms like okay here's premise a syllogisms like okay here's premise a syllogisms like okay here's premise a good okay premise B okay and then good okay premise B okay and then good okay premise B okay and then conclusion and then as long as we're conclusion and then as long as we're conclusion and then as long as we're both deductively sound we're not crazy both deductively sound we're not crazy both deductively sound we're not crazy no psychosis then we're going to agree no psychosis then we're going to agree no psychosis then we're going to agree on everything um whereas other people on everything um whereas other people on everything um whereas other people like to most people think in stories like to most people think in stories like to most people think in stories like narratives like a whole there's a like narratives like a whole there's a like narratives like a whole there's a whole like narrative and the individual whole like narrative and the individual whole like narrative and the individual facts don't matter as much cuz they'll facts don't matter as much cuz they'll facts don't matter as much cuz they'll pick and choose what they want and it's pick and choose what they want and it's pick and choose what they want and it's really hard cuz everybody thinks ner so really hard cuz everybody thinks ner so really hard cuz everybody thinks ner so I have to function in that world but I have to function in that world but I have to function in that world but it's uh frustrating for me sometimes it's uh frustrating for me sometimes it's uh frustrating for me sometimes well I I've seen uh you've had a lot of well I I've seen uh you've had a lot of well I I've seen uh you've had a lot of excellent debates one of them I just excellent debates one of them I just excellent debates one of them I just recently last night watch is uh on recently last night watch is uh on recently last night watch is uh on systemic racism and it's the first time systemic racism and it's the first time systemic racism and it's the first time I've seen you completely lose your shit I've seen you completely lose your shit I've seen you completely lose your shit oh shoot who was that against I'm not oh shoot who was that against I'm not oh shoot who was that against I'm not sure exactly but you were just very sure exactly but you were just very sure exactly but you were just very frustrated sorry not lose your shit but frustrated sorry not lose your shit but frustrated sorry not lose your shit but you were frustrated constantly because you were frustrated constantly because you were frustrated constantly because of the thing let's lay out 1 2 3 and of the thing let's lay out 1 2 3 and of the thing let's lay out 1 2 3 and every time you try to lay it out it every time you try to lay it out it every time you try to lay it out it would falter I think it had to do with would falter I think it had to do with would falter I think it had to do with sort of can you use data to make an sort of can you use data to make an sort of can you use data to make an argument or do you need to use a study argument or do you need to use a study argument or do you need to use a study that does an interpretation of that data that does an interpretation of that data that does an interpretation of that data and then there's like this tension and then there's like this tension and then there's like this tension between I think this is a behavioral between I think this is a behavioral between I think this is a behavioral Economist that you were talking to and Economist that you were talking to and Economist that you were talking to and the point is you do this kind of nice the point is you do this kind of nice the point is you do this kind of nice layout that the whole point of layout that the whole point of layout that the whole point of Behavioral economics it says there's Behavioral economics it says there's Behavioral economics it says there's more to it than just the data you have more to it than just the data you have more to it than just the data you have to give it context and like do the rich to give it context and like do the rich to give it context and like do the rich rigorous interpretation in the context rigorous interpretation in the context rigorous interpretation in the context of the full human story and then there of the full human story and then there of the full human story and then there was like a dance back and forth was like a dance back and forth was like a dance back and forth sometimes you use data sometimes not and sometimes you use data sometimes not and sometimes you use data sometimes not and you you getting really frustrated and you you getting really frustrated and you you getting really frustrated and shutting down and so that felt like a shutting down and so that felt like a shutting down and so that felt like a failure mode I've seen Sam Harris have failure mode I've seen Sam Harris have failure mode I've seen Sam Harris have similar sticking points like if we can't similar sticking points like if we can't similar sticking points like if we can't agree on the terminology we can't go on

agree on the terminology we can't go on agree on the terminology we can't go on to me I feel like uh I'm sort of the the to me I feel like uh I'm sort of the the to me I feel like uh I'm sort of the the wienstein perspective is wienstein perspective is wienstein perspective is like I think if you get stuck on any one like I think if you get stuck on any one like I think if you get stuck on any one thing you're just not going to make thing you're just not going to make thing you're just not going to make progress you have to part of the progress you have to part of the progress you have to part of the conversation has to be conversation has to be conversation has to be about uh doing a good dance together mhm about uh doing a good dance together mhm about uh doing a good dance together mhm versus being dogmatically stuck on the versus being dogmatically stuck on the versus being dogmatically stuck on the path to truth I think the true challenge path to truth I think the true challenge path to truth I think the true challenge is identifying what of those sticking is identifying what of those sticking is identifying what of those sticking points are important versus what is not points are important versus what is not points are important versus what is not important so like if I'm having an important so like if I'm having an important so like if I'm having an argument with somebody about like Jewish argument with somebody about like Jewish argument with somebody about like Jewish representation in media they might it representation in media they might it representation in media they might it might be like a big conversation and might be like a big conversation and might be like a big conversation and they might say a couple things like I they might say a couple things like I they might say a couple things like I think Jewish people you know they tend think Jewish people you know they tend think Jewish people you know they tend to help their own or whatever they to help their own or whatever they to help their own or whatever they saying H okay but like for the purpose saying H okay but like for the purpose saying H okay but like for the purpose of the conversation we can keep moving of the conversation we can keep moving of the conversation we can keep moving but if they casually drop like you know but if they casually drop like you know but if they casually drop like you know yeah and I think that's why the yeah and I think that's why the yeah and I think that's why the Holocaust numbers were blown up from Holocaust numbers were blown up from Holocaust numbers were blown up from like 100,000 to 6 million and that's I like 100,000 to 6 million and that's I like 100,000 to 6 million and that's I was like okay hold on wait wait if you was like okay hold on wait wait if you was like okay hold on wait wait if you think this we have to stop here because think this we have to stop here because think this we have to stop here because this is going to be it's not just a this is going to be it's not just a this is going to be it's not just a language game in this part if you really language game in this part if you really language game in this part if you really believe this fact then the whole rest of believe this fact then the whole rest of believe this fact then the whole rest of the conversation is going to be informed the conversation is going to be informed the conversation is going to be informed by that belief you know and it has to be by that belief you know and it has to be by that belief you know and it has to be something that doesn't bother you something that doesn't bother you something that doesn't bother you personally you have to step outside your personally you have to step outside your personally you have to step outside your own ego so Holocaust denial is somebody own ego so Holocaust denial is somebody own ego so Holocaust denial is somebody that would bother a lot of people and that would bother a lot of people and that would bother a lot of people and there's some things just just observe there's some things just just observe there's some things just just observe serving you I feel like when you get serving you I feel like when you get serving you I feel like when you get really good at conversation you can really good at conversation you can really good at conversation you can become a stickler to um you might have become a stickler to um you might have become a stickler to um you might have your favorite terms that really bothers your favorite terms that really bothers your favorite terms that really bothers you people don't agree on those terms you people don't agree on those terms you people don't agree on those terms begs the question you mean raising the

begs the question you mean raising the begs the question you mean raising the question yeah I usually just won't question yeah I usually just won't question yeah I usually just won't people say stuff I just let it slide people say stuff I just let it slide people say stuff I just let it slide yeah you can't because if you fight when yeah you can't because if you fight when yeah you can't because if you fight when you're having a conversation with you're having a conversation with you're having a conversation with somebody and you're talking to their somebody and you're talking to their somebody and you're talking to their audience at the same time because that's audience at the same time because that's audience at the same time because that's really what's happening um you never really what's happening um you never really what's happening um you never want to come off as over combative or want to come off as over combative or want to come off as over combative or overaggressive because it puts people in overaggressive because it puts people in overaggressive because it puts people in like there there's like a trigger in like there there's like a trigger in like there there's like a trigger in your brain and this is true of your brain and this is true of your brain and this is true of relationship of friendships of relationship of friendships of relationship of friendships of persuasive rhetoric or whatever there's persuasive rhetoric or whatever there's persuasive rhetoric or whatever there's a trigger in the brain and as soon as a trigger in the brain and as soon as a trigger in the brain and as soon as that defensive trigger gets like flipped that defensive trigger gets like flipped that defensive trigger gets like flipped on everything is over you've lost the on everything is over you've lost the on everything is over you've lost the ability to persuade because everything ability to persuade because everything ability to persuade because everything becomes a fight at that point yeah well becomes a fight at that point yeah well becomes a fight at that point yeah well I wanted to talk to you cuz I heard I wanted to talk to you cuz I heard I wanted to talk to you cuz I heard somewhere that uh you were referred to somewhere that uh you were referred to somewhere that uh you were referred to as the bench appear of the left and as the bench appear of the left and as the bench appear of the left and since I'm talking with Ben uh as well I since I'm talking with Ben uh as well I since I'm talking with Ben uh as well I wanted to sort of complete wanted to sort of complete wanted to sort of complete spiritually this platonic political spiritually this platonic political spiritually this platonic political philosophy puzzle in my head you are a philosophy puzzle in my head you are a philosophy puzzle in my head you are a progressive but a progressive with many progressive but a progressive with many progressive but a progressive with many non-standard Progressive views and you non-standard Progressive views and you non-standard Progressive views and you had a heck of a fascinating journey had a heck of a fascinating journey had a heck of a fascinating journey through all of that and like I said I through all of that and like I said I through all of that and like I said I think you argue with passion sometimes think you argue with passion sometimes think you argue with passion sometimes with excessive amounts of passion but a with excessive amounts of passion but a with excessive amounts of passion but a really polite way of saying that almost really polite way of saying that almost really polite way of saying that almost always with uh good faith and with rigor always with uh good faith and with rigor always with uh good faith and with rigor with seriousness I asked on your with seriousness I asked on your with seriousness I asked on your subreddit which is an excellent subreddit which is an excellent subreddit which is an excellent subreddit shout out to the destiny subreddit shout out to the destiny subreddit shout out to the destiny subreddit so much uh at least for that subreddit so much uh at least for that subreddit so much uh at least for that particular post what I really loved is particular post what I really loved is particular post what I really loved is when I asked for questions for you they when I asked for questions for you they when I asked for questions for you they were like holy shit there's adult let's were like holy shit there's adult let's were like holy shit there's adult let's all behave like nobody say incest I was all behave like nobody say incest I was all behave like nobody say incest I was like what what's what's going on here like what what's what's going on here like what what's what's going on here but actually the the the questions that but actually the the the questions that but actually the the the questions that Rose to the top were really good so uh Rose to the top were really good so uh Rose to the top were really good so uh somebody said that Destiny was speaking somebody said that Destiny was speaking somebody said that Destiny was speaking of your journey was a conservative in

of your journey was a conservative in of your journey was a conservative in his early teens then he became a his early teens then he became a his early teens then he became a Libertarian then he became a leftwing Libertarian then he became a leftwing Libertarian then he became a leftwing social justice Warrior then he flirted social justice Warrior then he flirted social justice Warrior then he flirted with socialism and now he is a Social with socialism and now he is a Social with socialism and now he is a Social Democrat liberal I've also heard you Democrat liberal I've also heard you Democrat liberal I've also heard you refer to yourself as a far-left person refer to yourself as a far-left person refer to yourself as a far-left person so to the degree there's truth to that so to the degree there's truth to that so to the degree there's truth to that Journey can you take me through your Journey can you take me through your Journey can you take me through your Evolution uh through the landscape of Evolution uh through the landscape of Evolution uh through the landscape of political ideologies that you went political ideologies that you went political ideologies that you went through so my dad comes from Kentucky through so my dad comes from Kentucky through so my dad comes from Kentucky and my mom is a Cuban immigrant uh and my mom is a Cuban immigrant uh and my mom is a Cuban immigrant uh Cubans are notorious for being very Cubans are notorious for being very Cubans are notorious for being very conservative in the United States um for conservative in the United States um for conservative in the United States um for historical reasons and for other reasons historical reasons and for other reasons historical reasons and for other reasons but um my upbringing was a very but um my upbringing was a very but um my upbringing was a very Republican one I grew up listening to Republican one I grew up listening to Republican one I grew up listening to Rush limau Glenn Beck Michael Savage uh Rush limau Glenn Beck Michael Savage uh Rush limau Glenn Beck Michael Savage uh on the radio Billy on the radio Billy on the radio Billy Cunningham I think Sean hanity a little Cunningham I think Sean hanity a little Cunningham I think Sean hanity a little bit later on like uh that was like my bit later on like uh that was like my bit later on like uh that was like my whole upbringing politically I remember whole upbringing politically I remember whole upbringing politically I remember I was writing I had written like I was writing I had written like I was writing I had written like articles for the school Journal like in articles for the school Journal like in articles for the school Journal like in favor of uh defending the war in Iraq favor of uh defending the war in Iraq favor of uh defending the war in Iraq and you know defending bush from all the and you know defending bush from all the and you know defending bush from all the criticism Etc so that was my upbringing criticism Etc so that was my upbringing criticism Etc so that was my upbringing U I think once I hit High School College U I think once I hit High School College U I think once I hit High School College I had my edgy like libertarian esque I had my edgy like libertarian esque I had my edgy like libertarian esque high school phase of like reading Ein high school phase of like reading Ein high school phase of like reading Ein Rand um of of figuring out that like oh Rand um of of figuring out that like oh Rand um of of figuring out that like oh my God nothing in life matters except my God nothing in life matters except my God nothing in life matters except for class and money that's actually the for class and money that's actually the for class and money that's actually the answer to everything and um I got to answer to everything and um I got to answer to everything and um I got to college I became a Ron Paul fan very big college I became a Ron Paul fan very big college I became a Ron Paul fan very big Ron Paul fan and then from there I kind Ron Paul fan and then from there I kind Ron Paul fan and then from there I kind of work do life life happens at the kind of work do life life happens at the kind of work do life life happens at the kind of the lowest point of my life in terms of the lowest point of my life in terms of the lowest point of my life in terms of where I'm working financially

of where I'm working financially of where I'm working financially everything is like kind of in ruin in my everything is like kind of in ruin in my everything is like kind of in ruin in my life there's a whole bunch of dumb stuff life there's a whole bunch of dumb stuff life there's a whole bunch of dumb stuff that's happened it's probably my most that's happened it's probably my most that's happened it's probably my most conservative point I don't know what it conservative point I don't know what it conservative point I don't know what it is about like being poor and thinking is about like being poor and thinking is about like being poor and thinking like you can work your way out of it you like you can work your way out of it you like you can work your way out of it you can do whatever it's just my upbringing can do whatever it's just my upbringing can do whatever it's just my upbringing is always just like if you're not if is always just like if you're not if is always just like if you're not if you're not if you're not having you're not if you're not having you're not if you're not having financial success just work work work financial success just work work work financial success just work work work work work work work work work um and then I got into streaming very um and then I got into streaming very um and then I got into streaming very very lucky break everything just lined very lucky break everything just lined very lucky break everything just lined up at the right time and then as I've up at the right time and then as I've up at the right time and then as I've progressed through streaming I would say progressed through streaming I would say progressed through streaming I would say through the years I've gradually Fallen through the years I've gradually Fallen through the years I've gradually Fallen more and more to the left especially more and more to the left especially more and more to the left especially once my kid turned four five six years once my kid turned four five six years once my kid turned four five six years old and I started to see like how much old and I started to see like how much old and I started to see like how much different his life was just because of different his life was just because of different his life was just because of the financial opportunities that I was the financial opportunities that I was the financial opportunities that I was able to provide for him through no merit able to provide for him through no merit able to provide for him through no merit of his own and that started to radically of his own and that started to radically of his own and that started to radically change how I viewed the world in a lot change how I viewed the world in a lot change how I viewed the world in a lot of ways so actually let's like Linger on of ways so actually let's like Linger on of ways so actually let's like Linger on that yeah low point you worked at that yeah low point you worked at that yeah low point you worked at McDonald's you worked at a casino McDonald's you worked at a casino McDonald's you worked at a casino you uh did carpet cleaning what was the you uh did carpet cleaning what was the you uh did carpet cleaning what was the the lowest point definitely the carpet the lowest point definitely the carpet the lowest point definitely the carpet cleaning really absolutely why why was cleaning really absolutely why why was cleaning really absolutely why why was it the lowest point that's when you were it the lowest point that's when you were it the lowest point that's when you were just flirting with starting uh streaming just flirting with starting uh streaming just flirting with starting uh streaming my whole life has been a series of Lucky my whole life has been a series of Lucky my whole life has been a series of Lucky breaks really truly uh I grew up playing breaks really truly uh I grew up playing breaks really truly uh I grew up playing a lot of video games but back in my day a lot of video games but back in my day a lot of video games but back in my day our day um you had to read there was a our day um you had to read there was a our day um you had to read there was a lot of text on the screen back in my day lot of text on the screen back in my day lot of text on the screen back in my day we used to play they didn't all talk to we used to play they didn't all talk to we used to play they didn't all talk to yeah they cuz nowadays everything's yeah they cuz nowadays everything's yeah they cuz nowadays everything's voice active but back then you to read a voice active but back then you to read a voice active but back then you to read a lot I was really good reader and a lot I was really good reader and a lot I was really good reader and a really good vocabul I've heard you really good vocabul I've heard you really good vocabul I've heard you actually say that what games are we actually say that what games are we actually say that what games are we talking about what what do you mean talking about what what do you mean talking about what what do you mean there reading you're talking about like there reading you're talking about like there reading you're talking about like RPG yeah jrpg so like Final Fantasy RPG yeah jrpg so like Final Fantasy RPG yeah jrpg so like Final Fantasy games fantasy stars like all of these games fantasy stars like all of these games fantasy stars like all of these like any any RPG that would have been on like any any RPG that would have been on like any any RPG that would have been on the snia Sega PlayStation these are the the snia Sega PlayStation these are the the snia Sega PlayStation these are the things let's pause on that okay I just

things let's pause on that okay I just things let's pause on that okay I just talked to Todd Howard who's um of the talked to Todd Howard who's um of the talked to Todd Howard who's um of the Elder Scrolls Fame and the Fallout Fame Elder Scrolls Fame and the Fallout Fame Elder Scrolls Fame and the Fallout Fame and Beyond what's your thoughts on Elder and Beyond what's your thoughts on Elder and Beyond what's your thoughts on Elder Scrolls why is Skyrim the greatest RPG Scrolls why is Skyrim the greatest RPG Scrolls why is Skyrim the greatest RPG of all time of all time of all time man I really don't like Skyrim or man I really don't like Skyrim or man I really don't like Skyrim or Fallout or those of games no not at all Fallout or those of games no not at all Fallout or those of games no not at all why do you hate Skyrim yeah so I really why do you hate Skyrim yeah so I really why do you hate Skyrim yeah so I really like characters and like compelling like characters and like compelling like characters and like compelling stories and narrators around those stories and narrators around those stories and narrators around those characters and I like to see them kind characters and I like to see them kind characters and I like to see them kind of like grow and change kind of like a of like grow and change kind of like a of like grow and change kind of like a movie or a story so in your like Final movie or a story so in your like Final movie or a story so in your like Final Fantasy games you've got characters um Fantasy games you've got characters um Fantasy games you've got characters um there a lot of like um like classical there a lot of like um like classical there a lot of like um like classical tropes of like a character starts off tropes of like a character starts off tropes of like a character starts off kind of like edgy angsty all on their kind of like edgy angsty all on their kind of like edgy angsty all on their own they develop relationships own they develop relationships own they develop relationships friendships they realize that the life friendships they realize that the life friendships they realize that the life is more about themselves and they do is more about themselves and they do is more about themselves and they do that and I like that that growth that's that and I like that that growth that's that and I like that that growth that's kind of what you see in all of those old kind of what you see in all of those old kind of what you see in all of those old uh role playing games um I didn't like uh role playing games um I didn't like uh role playing games um I didn't like the open world ones as much because your the open world ones as much because your the open world ones as much because your main character is just like a blank main character is just like a blank main character is just like a blank slate never talks it's for you to like slate never talks it's for you to like slate never talks it's for you to like project on too but there's not the same project on too but there's not the same project on too but there's not the same like uh linear Narrative of like growth like uh linear Narrative of like growth like uh linear Narrative of like growth for the character that's fascinating for the character that's fascinating for the character that's fascinating There's an actual story arc to the There's an actual story arc to the There's an actual story arc to the character that's more crafted in a character that's more crafted in a character that's more crafted in a beautiful way by the designers of the beautiful way by the designers of the beautiful way by the designers of the game yeah that's I don't think one is game yeah that's I don't think one is game yeah that's I don't think one is better or worse I tend towards like I better or worse I tend towards like I better or worse I tend towards like I want to hear a compelling story around want to hear a compelling story around want to hear a compelling story around like a set of characters that like grow like a set of characters that like grow like a set of characters that like grow and Chang as the G oh that's beautifully and Chang as the G oh that's beautifully and Chang as the G oh that's beautifully put then yeah I I just really loved put then yeah I I just really loved put then yeah I I just really loved being able to leave the time town you go being able to leave the time town you go being able to leave the time town you go outside the town and you look outside outside the town and you look outside outside the town and you look outside its nature and the world of its nature and the world of its nature and the world of possibilities is before you you can do possibilities is before you you can do possibilities is before you you can do whatever the fuck you want m i mean that whatever the fuck you want m i mean that whatever the fuck you want m i mean that immensity of just being lost in the immensity of just being lost in the immensity of just being lost in the world was really immersive for me but world was really immersive for me but world was really immersive for me but yeah you're right whatever attracts you yeah you're right whatever attracts you yeah you're right whatever attracts you about a world so you were just starting

about a world so you were just starting about a world so you were just starting to play video games you go out play to play video games you go out play to play video games you go out play video games that's one of your lucky video games that's one of your lucky video games that's one of your lucky breaks there's just like a lot of random breaks there's just like a lot of random breaks there's just like a lot of random skills you pick up depending on the type skills you pick up depending on the type skills you pick up depending on the type of game you play I played a lot of teex of game you play I played a lot of teex of game you play I played a lot of teex based games on the computer so I was a based games on the computer so I was a based games on the computer so I was a very fast typer I'm still a very fast very fast typer I'm still a very fast very fast typer I'm still a very fast typer um read a lot you know learned typer um read a lot you know learned typer um read a lot you know learned weird kind of math stuff for some of the weird kind of math stuff for some of the weird kind of math stuff for some of the calculations some of the games I think calculations some of the games I think calculations some of the games I think I'm pretty good at getting information I'm pretty good at getting information I'm pretty good at getting information figuring stuff out learning patterns all figuring stuff out learning patterns all figuring stuff out learning patterns all of that and then that plus the reading of that and then that plus the reading of that and then that plus the reading and everything with the games meant that and everything with the games meant that and everything with the games meant that I I don't want to say I excelled in I I don't want to say I excelled in I I don't want to say I excelled in school because my grades were pretty bad school because my grades were pretty bad school because my grades were pretty bad but I was in like all honors all AP but I was in like all honors all AP but I was in like all honors all AP classes or whatever um a lot of dual classes or whatever um a lot of dual classes or whatever um a lot of dual enrollment a lot of AP credit going into enrollment a lot of AP credit going into enrollment a lot of AP credit going into college so I did pretty well in school college so I did pretty well in school college so I did pretty well in school probably better than I should have but probably better than I should have but probably better than I should have but it was because I had the game stuff that it was because I had the game stuff that it was because I had the game stuff that was like really power ing a lot of my was like really power ing a lot of my was like really power ing a lot of my brain there while I was trying to sleep brain there while I was trying to sleep brain there while I was trying to sleep through class to yeah so you're you're through class to yeah so you're you're through class to yeah so you're you're able to soak in information integrate it able to soak in information integrate it able to soak in information integrate it quickly take notes generally I think I'm quickly take notes generally I think I'm quickly take notes generally I think I'm pretty good at that yeah what what uh pretty good at that yeah what what uh pretty good at that yeah what what uh you do this a lot when you stream you're you do this a lot when you stream you're you do this a lot when you stream you're typing stuff is there a system in that typing stuff is there a system in that typing stuff is there a system in that note ticking and what note what do you note ticking and what note what do you note ticking and what note what do you use for note taking um does it matter I use for note taking um does it matter I use for note taking um does it matter I use a notepad like notepad. notepad yep use a notepad like notepad. notepad yep use a notepad like notepad. notepad yep notepad.exe not the Plus+ not is there notepad.exe not the Plus+ not is there notepad.exe not the Plus+ not is there genius to the madness behind that or you genius to the madness behind that or you genius to the madness behind that or you just don't give a shit no I mean like it just don't give a shit no I mean like it just don't give a shit no I mean like it it's going to depend on the style of it's going to depend on the style of it's going to depend on the style of conversation if I'm with somebody that conversation if I'm with somebody that conversation if I'm with somebody that is very meticulously organized their is very meticulously organized their is very meticulously organized their thoughts and they're a uh find a better thoughts and they're a uh find a better thoughts and they're a uh find a better word here for Rambler you can edit that word here for Rambler you can edit that word here for Rambler you can edit that in better word for Rambler somebody that in better word for Rambler somebody that in better word for Rambler somebody that talks a lot and a lot I'll start like talks a lot and a lot I'll start like talks a lot and a lot I'll start like taking notes bullet points like this taking notes bullet points like this taking notes bullet points like this this this this this this because um this this this this this because um this this this this this because um there's a style of conversation where I there's a style of conversation where I there's a style of conversation where I say seven or eight different things and

say seven or eight different things and say seven or eight different things and then when you go to respond to then when you go to respond to then when you go to respond to everything I said I cut you off everything I said I cut you off everything I said I cut you off immediately and we argue that point but immediately and we argue that point but immediately and we argue that point but if somebody's going to do that you just if somebody's going to do that you just if somebody's going to do that you just like hold on you just said these eight like hold on you just said these eight like hold on you just said these eight things I'm going to respond to every things I'm going to respond to every things I'm going to respond to every single one I've written them all down single one I've written them all down single one I've written them all down and then you can go if you want to go and then you can go if you want to go and then you can go if you want to go Point by point we can but you just said Point by point we can but you just said Point by point we can but you just said all this and I wrote it down so we're all this and I wrote it down so we're all this and I wrote it down so we're going to go so what are you actually going to go so what are you actually going to go so what are you actually writing down like a couple of words per writing down like a couple of words per writing down like a couple of words per point they left honestly like there are point they left honestly like there are point they left honestly like there are very few unique conversations in very few unique conversations in very few unique conversations in politics like a lot of them are kind of politics like a lot of them are kind of politics like a lot of them are kind of retreading old ground so if we're having retreading old ground so if we're having retreading old ground so if we're having a debate on abortion um somebody might a debate on abortion um somebody might a debate on abortion um somebody might say like oh well I believe this thing say like oh well I believe this thing say like oh well I believe this thing about viability and I believe this thing about viability and I believe this thing about viability and I believe this thing about you know when they're a fetus about you know when they're a fetus about you know when they're a fetus versus a human and I'll just write down versus a human and I'll just write down versus a human and I'll just write down like those points so that when I go to like those points so that when I go to like those points so that when I go to respond I kind of have like a like note respond I kind of have like a like note respond I kind of have like a like note card it's like a guiding thing there to card it's like a guiding thing there to card it's like a guiding thing there to keep me centered on my response keep me centered on my response keep me centered on my response political discourse is a kind of tree political discourse is a kind of tree political discourse is a kind of tree you're walking down I got it and you're you're walking down I got it and you're you're walking down I got it and you're like taking just to keep my focus guided like taking just to keep my focus guided like taking just to keep my focus guided so I'm not like running off on a weird so I'm not like running off on a weird so I'm not like running off on a weird tangent or responding to something I tangent or responding to something I tangent or responding to something I didn't say or something yeah what about didn't say or something yeah what about didn't say or something yeah what about like doing research it just is there a like doing research it just is there a like doing research it just is there a system to your note taking because system to your note taking because system to your note taking because mentally you seem to be one of the most mentally you seem to be one of the most mentally you seem to be one of the most organized people I've listened to so is organized people I've listened to so is organized people I've listened to so is there is it in your mind or is there a there is it in your mind or is there a there is it in your mind or is there a system that's on paper a little of both system that's on paper a little of both system that's on paper a little of both I feel like the human mind is a I feel like the human mind is a I feel like the human mind is a beautiful thing if you have interest in beautiful thing if you have interest in beautiful thing if you have interest in an area uh so like what I'll tell people an area uh so like what I'll tell people an area uh so like what I'll tell people is let's say there's like a totally new is let's say there's like a totally new is let's say there's like a totally new topic that I'm researching I don't know topic that I'm researching I don't know topic that I'm researching I don't know anything and I've I'll do a couple of anything and I've I'll do a couple of anything and I've I'll do a couple of these on stream I think they're boring these on stream I think they're boring these on stream I think they're boring about people watch it I might open a about people watch it I might open a about people watch it I might open a Wikipedia article and I'll read and I Wikipedia article and I'll read and I Wikipedia article and I'll read and I hit something I don't know and then I hit something I don't know and then I hit something I don't know and then I open the next Wikipedia article and I'll open the next Wikipedia article and I'll open the next Wikipedia article and I'll read and then I might have like seven read and then I might have like seven read and then I might have like seven tabs open and I'll read and I'll read tabs open and I'll read and I'll read tabs open and I'll read and I'll read and I'll read um and I'll read a ton of and I'll read um and I'll read a ton of and I'll read um and I'll read a ton of stuff maybe for hour two three four stuff maybe for hour two three four stuff maybe for hour two three four hours of stuff and then by the end you hours of stuff and then by the end you hours of stuff and then by the end you know someone in chat will ask me like do know someone in chat will ask me like do know someone in chat will ask me like do you even remember like this particular you even remember like this particular you even remember like this particular thing and I'll say not really no not too

thing and I'll say not really no not too thing and I'll say not really no not too much but what happens is as long as much but what happens is as long as much but what happens is as long as you've seen it once what will happen is you've seen it once what will happen is you've seen it once what will happen is like the next day the day after it we'll like the next day the day after it we'll like the next day the day after it we'll read something else and be like oh I read something else and be like oh I read something else and be like oh I remember that thing from this thing I remember that thing from this thing I remember that thing from this thing I remember like vaguely that and then if remember like vaguely that and then if remember like vaguely that and then if you see it like a third time you're like you see it like a third time you're like you see it like a third time you're like oh this makes sense because especially oh this makes sense because especially oh this makes sense because especially when it comes to oh here's like a little when it comes to oh here's like a little when it comes to oh here's like a little trick on stuff if you're ever reading trick on stuff if you're ever reading trick on stuff if you're ever reading any news and there's a place that pops any news and there's a place that pops any news and there's a place that pops up always look at it on a map because so up always look at it on a map because so up always look at it on a map because so much of history is like on a map it's so much of history is like on a map it's so much of history is like on a map it's so important to like know the geography it important to like know the geography it important to like know the geography it makes things make so much more sense um makes things make so much more sense um makes things make so much more sense um but yeah once I once I start to see but yeah once I once I start to see but yeah once I once I start to see stuff over and over again just because stuff over and over again just because stuff over and over again just because I've like read it a few times stuff will I've like read it a few times stuff will I've like read it a few times stuff will start to kind of connect to my mind and start to kind of connect to my mind and start to kind of connect to my mind and like oh yeah well this makes sense of like oh yeah well this makes sense of like oh yeah well this makes sense of course these people believe this it's course these people believe this it's course these people believe this it's because of this or of course like this because of this or of course like this because of this or of course like this happened here it's because you know that happened here it's because you know that happened here it's because you know that happened there um so yeah it's it's a happened there um so yeah it's it's a happened there um so yeah it's it's a lot of that if there's like a topic that lot of that if there's like a topic that lot of that if there's like a topic that I'm doing specific research for um so I'm doing specific research for um so I'm doing specific research for um so like a vaccine related stuff is a big like a vaccine related stuff is a big like a vaccine related stuff is a big one uh the Ukrainian Russian conflict is one uh the Ukrainian Russian conflict is one uh the Ukrainian Russian conflict is a big one that I'll break out a not um a big one that I'll break out a not um a big one that I'll break out a not um I'll probably get like a Google doc and I'll probably get like a Google doc and I'll probably get like a Google doc and I'll just start like writing like an I'll just start like writing like an I'll just start like writing like an outline of kind of the rough points of outline of kind of the rough points of outline of kind of the rough points of everything just to organize my thoughts everything just to organize my thoughts everything just to organize my thoughts around different topics yeah we're just around different topics yeah we're just around different topics yeah we're just going to go a tangent upon a tangent going to go a tangent upon a tangent going to go a tangent upon a tangent upon a tangent we'll return to the low upon a tangent we'll return to the low upon a tangent we'll return to the low point of your life at some point always point of your life at some point always point of your life at some point always returning from the philosophy to the returning from the philosophy to the returning from the philosophy to the psychology so you did uh the Ukraine psychology so you did uh the Ukraine psychology so you did uh the Ukraine topic one question is what role does US topic one question is what role does US topic one question is what role does US play in this war could they have done play in this war could they have done play in this war could they have done something to avoid the War uh did they something to avoid the War uh did they something to avoid the War uh did they have a role to play in forcing Vladimir have a role to play in forcing Vladimir have a role to play in forcing Vladimir Putin's hand do they have a role to play Putin's hand do they have a role to play Putin's hand do they have a role to play in um de-escalating the war towards a in um de-escalating the war towards a in um de-escalating the war towards a peace agreement and the opposite if it

peace agreement and the opposite if it peace agreement and the opposite if it does escalate uh towards something like does escalate uh towards something like does escalate uh towards something like the use of a tactical nuclear weapon are the use of a tactical nuclear weapon are the use of a tactical nuclear weapon are the to blame or are we to blame oh man the to blame or are we to blame oh man the to blame or are we to blame oh man somebody sent me an email a while ago somebody sent me an email a while ago somebody sent me an email a while ago with great words um there's a specific with great words um there's a specific with great words um there's a specific way to navigate a conversation where you way to navigate a conversation where you way to navigate a conversation where you can kind of like contribute to a can kind of like contribute to a can kind of like contribute to a negative event but you're not really the negative event but you're not really the negative event but you're not really the one responsible for it um like the one responsible for it um like the one responsible for it um like the classic example is a woman goes out late classic example is a woman goes out late classic example is a woman goes out late at night gets a little bit too drunk and at night gets a little bit too drunk and at night gets a little bit too drunk and then something happens and it's like then something happens and it's like then something happens and it's like while there might have been steps she while there might have been steps she while there might have been steps she could have taken to mitigate the risk could have taken to mitigate the risk could have taken to mitigate the risk it's not her fault of what happened it's not her fault of what happened it's not her fault of what happened because the um responsibility rests on because the um responsibility rests on because the um responsibility rests on the on the agent making the choice right the on the agent making the choice right the on the agent making the choice right there's a Chooser at some point that is there's a Chooser at some point that is there's a Chooser at some point that is choosing to do wrong or evil I don't choosing to do wrong or evil I don't choosing to do wrong or evil I don't believe in any of the arguments that say believe in any of the arguments that say believe in any of the arguments that say the United States has contributed to the United States has contributed to the United States has contributed to Russia's position on Ukraine or the Russia's position on Ukraine or the Russia's position on Ukraine or the actions that they've taken on Ukraine um actions that they've taken on Ukraine um actions that they've taken on Ukraine um there are several arguments that some there are several arguments that some there are several arguments that some people uh some even political Scholars people uh some even political Scholars people uh some even political Scholars are are are putting out there to say are are are putting out there to say are are are putting out there to say that the United States is to blame but I that the United States is to blame but I that the United States is to blame but I find them completely unconvincing I find them completely unconvincing I find them completely unconvincing I think that when you ask the question of think that when you ask the question of think that when you ask the question of like what is the United States role or like what is the United States role or like what is the United States role or what has our role been I think it's what has our role been I think it's what has our role been I think it's really important for us I don't think we really important for us I don't think we really important for us I don't think we even agree as a country on what our role even agree as a country on what our role even agree as a country on what our role should should be which I think is a hard should should be which I think is a hard should should be which I think is a hard one because you've got this kind of one because you've got this kind of one because you've got this kind of there's this growing populist movement there's this growing populist movement there's this growing populist movement in the United States it might be the far in the United States it might be the far in the United States it might be the far left and the far right and I think left and the far right and I think left and the far right and I think populist tend to have this kind of populist tend to have this kind of populist tend to have this kind of isolationist view of the world where the isolationist view of the world where the isolationist view of the world where the United States should just be our own United States should just be our own United States should just be our own thing we shouldn't be telling anybody thing we shouldn't be telling anybody thing we shouldn't be telling anybody what to do we shouldn't be the World what to do we shouldn't be the World what to do we shouldn't be the World Police and then kind of more in these Police and then kind of more in these Police and then kind of more in these like Center left center right positions like Center left center right positions like Center left center right positions and then across a lot of Europe you've and then across a lot of Europe you've and then across a lot of Europe you've got well okay the United States is kind got well okay the United States is kind got well okay the United States is kind of like the big kid on the Block like of like the big kid on the Block like of like the big kid on the Block like we're looking to them for guidance and

we're looking to them for guidance and we're looking to them for guidance and Leadership on situations like what's Leadership on situations like what's Leadership on situations like what's going on in Ukraine so in so far as uh going on in Ukraine so in so far as uh going on in Ukraine so in so far as uh the original question is like what what the original question is like what what the original question is like what what is like the United States responsibility is like the United States responsibility is like the United States responsibility I think we have a responsibility to I think we have a responsibility to I think we have a responsibility to ensure the relative like Freedom ensure the relative like Freedom ensure the relative like Freedom prosperity and stability across Europe I prosperity and stability across Europe I prosperity and stability across Europe I think that defending Ukraine's think that defending Ukraine's think that defending Ukraine's sovereignty and right to their borders sovereignty and right to their borders sovereignty and right to their borders is a part of that and I don't believe is a part of that and I don't believe is a part of that and I don't believe that prior to the invasion in 2022 I that prior to the invasion in 2022 I that prior to the invasion in 2022 I don't think the United States was don't think the United States was don't think the United States was contributing to Russia invading that contributing to Russia invading that contributing to Russia invading that country um I know there arguments given country um I know there arguments given country um I know there arguments given that like the expansion of NATO you know that like the expansion of NATO you know that like the expansion of NATO you know has has something that's been has has something that's been has has something that's been threatening to Russia but the baltics threatening to Russia but the baltics threatening to Russia but the baltics joined and Russia didn't do anything joined and Russia didn't do anything joined and Russia didn't do anything about it the invasion to Crimea was very about it the invasion to Crimea was very about it the invasion to Crimea was very clearly a response to the revolution of clearly a response to the revolution of clearly a response to the revolution of 2014 The Invasion on the borders is 2014 The Invasion on the borders is 2014 The Invasion on the borders is clearly a response to um Ukraine winning clearly a response to um Ukraine winning clearly a response to um Ukraine winning that uh Civil War in the Southeast and that uh Civil War in the Southeast and that uh Civil War in the Southeast and the donos and Russia becoming more the donos and Russia becoming more the donos and Russia becoming more aggressive I don't think that you can aggressive I don't think that you can aggressive I don't think that you can blame any of that on on NATO expansion blame any of that on on NATO expansion blame any of that on on NATO expansion there's no NATO countries that are there's no NATO countries that are there's no NATO countries that are threatening Russia or invading Russia do threatening Russia or invading Russia do threatening Russia or invading Russia do you think there is a nuclear you think there is a nuclear you think there is a nuclear threat do you think about this do you threat do you think about this do you threat do you think about this do you worry about this that there is a threat worry about this that there is a threat worry about this that there is a threat of a tactical nuclear weapon being of a tactical nuclear weapon being of a tactical nuclear weapon being dropped I think that possibility exist dropped I think that possibility exist dropped I think that possibility exist either way and I think the either way and I think the either way and I think the responsibility for that is on Russia responsibility for that is on Russia responsibility for that is on Russia because it can't it just can't be the because it can't it just can't be the because it can't it just can't be the case that if you have nukes you're case that if you have nukes you're case that if you have nukes you're allowed to invade countries and take allowed to invade countries and take allowed to invade countries and take their land because if anything I think their land because if anything I think their land because if anything I think that that down the road also increased that that down the road also increased that that down the road also increased increases the potential for nuclear increases the potential for nuclear increases the potential for nuclear problems in the future right because at problems in the future right because at problems in the future right because at that point either every single country that point either every single country that point either every single country has to acquire their own nuclear weapons has to acquire their own nuclear weapons has to acquire their own nuclear weapons because if you don't Russia's going to because if you don't Russia's going to because if you don't Russia's going to mess with you or every single country mess with you or every single country mess with you or every single country has to join NATO and now what we're back has to join NATO and now what we're back has to join NATO and now what we're back at square zero ground Z square one where at square zero ground Z square one where at square zero ground Z square one where people like oh well look all these people like oh well look all these people like oh well look all these countries joining NATO is aggressive

countries joining NATO is aggressive countries joining NATO is aggressive towards Russia like what are you going towards Russia like what are you going towards Russia like what are you going to do yeah you've mentioned that um to do yeah you've mentioned that um to do yeah you've mentioned that um there's a complicated calculus going on there's a complicated calculus going on there's a complicated calculus going on with the countries that have uh that with the countries that have uh that with the countries that have uh that have nuclear weapons and what's our have nuclear weapons and what's our have nuclear weapons and what's our responsibility are you allowed to do responsibility are you allowed to do responsibility are you allowed to do anything you want to countries that anything you want to countries that anything you want to countries that don't have nuclear don't have nuclear don't have nuclear weapons that's a really tricky weapons that's a really tricky weapons that's a really tricky discussion for sure because what is US discussion for sure because what is US discussion for sure because what is US supposed to do if Russia drops a supposed to do if Russia drops a supposed to do if Russia drops a tactical nuclear weapon there's a set of tactical nuclear weapon there's a set of tactical nuclear weapon there's a set of options options options mhm none of which are good mhm and it's mhm none of which are good mhm and it's mhm none of which are good mhm and it's such a tricky moment right now because such a tricky moment right now because such a tricky moment right now because uh the things that Biden and other uh the things that Biden and other uh the things that Biden and other public figures say I feel like has a public figures say I feel like has a public figures say I feel like has a significant impact on the way this game significant impact on the way this game significant impact on the way this game turns off because I think mutually turns off because I think mutually turns off because I think mutually assured destruction is partially a game assured destruction is partially a game assured destruction is partially a game of words yeah that I I mean I believe in of words yeah that I I mean I believe in of words yeah that I I mean I believe in the power the power the power conversation of leaders talking to each conversation of leaders talking to each conversation of leaders talking to each other I feel like you have to have an a other I feel like you have to have an a other I feel like you have to have an a balance between threat and balance between threat and balance between threat and compromise and like empathy for the compromise and like empathy for the compromise and like empathy for the needs the geopolitical the economic needs the geopolitical the economic needs the geopolitical the economic needs of a Nation uh but also sort of needs of a Nation uh but also sort of needs of a Nation uh but also sort of respect and represent your own interest respect and represent your own interest respect and represent your own interest MH so it's a tricky one like how do you MH so it's a tricky one like how do you MH so it's a tricky one like how do you play the how do you play the hand what play the how do you play the hand what play the how do you play the hand what reminds me of um I don't know if you've reminds me of um I don't know if you've reminds me of um I don't know if you've ever heard in like evolutionary psych or ever heard in like evolutionary psych or ever heard in like evolutionary psych or evolutionary biology there are things evolutionary biology there are things evolutionary biology there are things called tit fortat strategies it kind of called tit fortat strategies it kind of called tit fortat strategies it kind of reminds me of that where it's like if reminds me of that where it's like if reminds me of that where it's like if like uh there there are a whole bunch of like uh there there are a whole bunch of like uh there there are a whole bunch of these little biological mechanisms where

these little biological mechanisms where these little biological mechanisms where creatures will develop like socializing creatures will develop like socializing creatures will develop like socializing like tit fortat if you something bad to like tit fortat if you something bad to like tit fortat if you something bad to me I'm going to do something bad for you me I'm going to do something bad for you me I'm going to do something bad for you and then more complicated schemes will and then more complicated schemes will and then more complicated schemes will come out where it'll be like tit Tit for come out where it'll be like tit Tit for come out where it'll be like tit Tit for Tat where it's like you can make one Tat where it's like you can make one Tat where it's like you can make one mistake and then I'm going to get you if mistake and then I'm going to get you if mistake and then I'm going to get you if you do a second one or could be tit tit you do a second one or could be tit tit you do a second one or could be tit tit Tit for Tat or there could be Tit for Tit for Tat or there could be Tit for Tit for Tat or there could be Tit for Tat tat for tit there's like all these Tat tat for tit there's like all these Tat tat for tit there's like all these like back and forths where creatures like back and forths where creatures like back and forths where creatures kind of optimize themselves and um yeah kind of optimize themselves and um yeah kind of optimize themselves and um yeah I think something the United States did I think something the United States did I think something the United States did really well in terms of that kind of really well in terms of that kind of really well in terms of that kind of conversational strategy and I approved conversational strategy and I approved conversational strategy and I approved of this in the beginning was Biden was of this in the beginning was Biden was of this in the beginning was Biden was very clear about setting out like the very clear about setting out like the very clear about setting out like the exact level of us involvement for the exact level of us involvement for the exact level of us involvement for the war we're not going to do a fly zone war we're not going to do a fly zone war we're not going to do a fly zone there's not going to be US troops on the there's not going to be US troops on the there's not going to be US troops on the ground in Ukraine but we are going to ground in Ukraine but we are going to ground in Ukraine but we are going to send a whole bunch of money and a whole send a whole bunch of money and a whole send a whole bunch of money and a whole bunch of arms and a whole bunch of Intel bunch of arms and a whole bunch of Intel bunch of arms and a whole bunch of Intel to them and I thought he did a good job to them and I thought he did a good job to them and I thought he did a good job at laying out like the limitation of the at laying out like the limitation of the at laying out like the limitation of the US involvement while opening as much as US involvement while opening as much as US involvement while opening as much as we could in the ways we could help but we could in the ways we could help but we could in the ways we could help but the um yeah that looming threat of some the um yeah that looming threat of some the um yeah that looming threat of some sort of tactical nuclear weapon I think sort of tactical nuclear weapon I think sort of tactical nuclear weapon I think on the table right now is like it's on the table right now is like it's on the table right now is like it's going to be the annihilation of like going to be the annihilation of like going to be the annihilation of like Russian sea forces and everything but Russian sea forces and everything but Russian sea forces and everything but you know what happens if it continues to you know what happens if it continues to you know what happens if it continues to escalate that's like a world that nobody escalate that's like a world that nobody escalate that's like a world that nobody wants to nobody wants to be in yeah so wants to nobody wants to be in yeah so wants to nobody wants to be in yeah so we talked about difficult conversation we talked about difficult conversation we talked about difficult conversation and again thank you so much for and again thank you so much for and again thank you so much for reviewing the Y reviewing the Y reviewing the Y conversation let me ask you about Putin conversation let me ask you about Putin conversation let me ask you about Putin mhm speaking of difficult conversation mhm speaking of difficult conversation mhm speaking of difficult conversation so if you sit down if I sit down with so if you sit down if I sit down with so if you sit down if I sit down with somebody like Vladimir Putin or Vladimir somebody like Vladimir Putin or Vladimir somebody like Vladimir Putin or Vladimir zalinski what's the right way to have zalinski what's the right way to have zalinski what's the right way to have that conversation oh man we can talk that conversation oh man we can talk that conversation oh man we can talk about that one or we could talk about that one or we could talk about that one or we could talk about somebody more well about somebody more well about somebody more well understood through history like some understood through history like some understood through history like some like Stalin or Hitler something like

like Stalin or Hitler something like like Stalin or Hitler something like that maybe that's an easier example to that maybe that's an easier example to that maybe that's an easier example to illustrate how to handle extremely illustrate how to handle extremely illustrate how to handle extremely difficult conversations yeah I mean I difficult conversations yeah I mean I difficult conversations yeah I mean I can handle really difficult can handle really difficult can handle really difficult conversations between like two people um conversations between like two people um conversations between like two people um leaders of countries though you're leaders of countries though you're leaders of countries though you're there's so much that you are there's so much that you are there's so much that you are representing in that conversation I representing in that conversation I representing in that conversation I guess the thing that would be guess the thing that would be guess the thing that would be interesting to me would be like what is interesting to me would be like what is interesting to me would be like what is Vladimir Putin's interest like what is Vladimir Putin's interest like what is Vladimir Putin's interest like what is the genuine interest that he has in the the genuine interest that he has in the the genuine interest that he has in the conflict because I think finding out conflict because I think finding out conflict because I think finding out like what is your buyin or what is your like what is your buyin or what is your like what is your buyin or what is your like what is the driving force keeping like what is the driving force keeping like what is the driving force keeping you here is probably the most most you here is probably the most most you here is probably the most most important thing um I think for zinski I important thing um I think for zinski I important thing um I think for zinski I think it's a it's quite a bit more think it's a it's quite a bit more think it's a it's quite a bit more simpler because he's he's on the defense simpler because he's he's on the defense simpler because he's he's on the defense so he defending his country and his so he defending his country and his so he defending his country and his people um for Putin I've heard all sorts people um for Putin I've heard all sorts people um for Putin I've heard all sorts of things uh you know Dugan has his of things uh you know Dugan has his of things uh you know Dugan has his writings on uh you know like the East writings on uh you know like the East writings on uh you know like the East versus the West the collapse of the West versus the West the collapse of the West versus the West the collapse of the West in the face of like all of the in the face of like all of the in the face of like all of the liberalism and the weird LGBT stuff that liberalism and the weird LGBT stuff that liberalism and the weird LGBT stuff that they criticize you've got the desire to they criticize you've got the desire to they criticize you've got the desire to like return to this like former Soviet like return to this like former Soviet like return to this like former Soviet uniones thing you've got Putin's quotes uniones thing you've got Putin's quotes uniones thing you've got Putin's quotes that collapse of the Soviet Union was that collapse of the Soviet Union was that collapse of the Soviet Union was the biggest geopolitical disaster you the biggest geopolitical disaster you the biggest geopolitical disaster you know of 20th century and and I guess know of 20th century and and I guess know of 20th century and and I guess figuring out like what ises Putin after figuring out like what ises Putin after figuring out like what ises Putin after I'm not actually sure I don't know the I'm not actually sure I don't know the I'm not actually sure I don't know the answer that question I know a lot of answer that question I know a lot of answer that question I know a lot of people write about it but yeah well people write about it but yeah well people write about it but yeah well there's a lot of answers to that there's a lot of answers to that there's a lot of answers to that question there's a lot of answers that question there's a lot of answers that question there's a lot of answers that he can give you that question so say I he can give you that question so say I he can give you that question so say I sit down with him for three hours and sit down with him for three hours and sit down with him for three hours and talk about talk about talk about it I think this is a really interesting it I think this is a really interesting it I think this is a really interesting distinction because you do do difficult distinction because you do do difficult distinction because you do do difficult conversations in the space of ideas MH conversations in the space of ideas MH conversations in the space of ideas MH but also in your stream you have I mean but also in your stream you have I mean but also in your stream you have I mean there's a bunch of drama going on there's a bunch of drama going on there's a bunch of drama going on there's there's a human psycholog is there's there's a human psycholog is there's there's a human psycholog is laid out MH uh in its full richness laid out MH uh in its full richness laid out MH uh in its full richness before you so to me me with leaders I

before you so to me me with leaders I before you so to me me with leaders I think a part of the conversation has to think a part of the conversation has to think a part of the conversation has to be about the human psychology sure not be about the human psychology sure not be about the human psychology sure not like a meta conversation but like really like a meta conversation but like really like a meta conversation but like really understand what they feel what they fear understand what they feel what they fear understand what they feel what they fear who they are as a human being like as a who they are as a human being like as a who they are as a human being like as a family man as a as a person proud of family man as a as a person proud of family man as a as a person proud of their country as a person with an ego as their country as a person with an ego as their country as a person with an ego as a person who's been affected if not a person who's been affected if not a person who's been affected if not corrupted by power as all of us can be corrupted by power as all of us can be corrupted by power as all of us can be and likely are so all of that that gives and likely are so all of that that gives and likely are so all of that that gives context to then the answers about what context to then the answers about what context to then the answers about what do you want in this war because the do you want in this war because the do you want in this war because the answers about what you want in this war answers about what you want in this war answers about what you want in this war will be political answers of it's like will be political answers of it's like will be political answers of it's like it's like a game that's being played it's like a game that's being played it's like a game that's being played again with words and politicians are again with words and politicians are again with words and politicians are incredibly good at playing that game MH incredibly good at playing that game MH incredibly good at playing that game MH I think the deeper truth comes from I think the deeper truth comes from I think the deeper truth comes from understanding the human being from which understanding the human being from which understanding the human being from which those words come and I think that's what those words come and I think that's what those words come and I think that's what you do I don't know if you do those you do I don't know if you do those you do I don't know if you do those kinds of conversations where never kinds of conversations where never kinds of conversations where never talked to any country leaders so no not talked to any country leaders so no not talked to any country leaders so no not not not a country leader but say a not not a country leader but say a not not a country leader but say a controversial figure or somebody that controversial figure or somebody that controversial figure or somebody that represents a certain idea don't just represents a certain idea don't just represents a certain idea don't just talk in a space of ideas or challenge talk in a space of ideas or challenge talk in a space of ideas or challenge the ideas but understand who is this the ideas but understand who is this the ideas but understand who is this person how did you come to those ideas person how did you come to those ideas person how did you come to those ideas oh yeah when I've had there have been a oh yeah when I've had there have been a oh yeah when I've had there have been a couple of very controversial right couple of very controversial right couple of very controversial right leaning figures um so the two obviously leaning figures um so the two obviously leaning figures um so the two obviously that my stream are Lauren Southern and that my stream are Lauren Southern and that my stream are Lauren Southern and Nick fentz and those types of Nick fentz and those types of Nick fentz and those types of conversations initially aren't very conversations initially aren't very conversations initially aren't very political at all yeah it's more like political at all yeah it's more like political at all yeah it's more like like obviously we believe in very very like obviously we believe in very very like obviously we believe in very very very different things but like beliefs

very different things but like beliefs very different things but like beliefs don't happen accidentally so how did you don't happen accidentally so how did you don't happen accidentally so how did you get to where you are those are way more get to where you are those are way more get to where you are those are way more personal conversations that's true is personal conversations that's true is personal conversations that's true is there things you regret about those there things you regret about those there things you regret about those conversations where you failed is there conversations where you failed is there conversations where you failed is there things you're proud of where you things you're proud of where you things you're proud of where you succeeded for things that I'm proud of I succeeded for things that I'm proud of I succeeded for things that I'm proud of I feel like I feel like I'm really good at feel like I feel like I'm really good at feel like I feel like I'm really good at attempting to understand people without attempting to understand people without attempting to understand people without judgment um that I think a lot of people judgment um that I think a lot of people judgment um that I think a lot of people feel like they can have conversations feel like they can have conversations feel like they can have conversations with me where they can share a lot and with me where they can share a lot and with me where they can share a lot and I'm not going to jump down their throat I'm not going to jump down their throat I'm not going to jump down their throat for them having a politically incorrect for them having a politically incorrect for them having a politically incorrect observation or for them being judgmental observation or for them being judgmental observation or for them being judgmental with somebody else or having like a with somebody else or having like a with somebody else or having like a feeling that's maybe not something they feeling that's maybe not something they feeling that's maybe not something they should have something they're should have something they're should have something they're embarrassed about so I think I do a embarrassed about so I think I do a embarrassed about so I think I do a really good job at that and then by really good job at that and then by really good job at that and then by extension of that I've gotten the extension of that I've gotten the extension of that I've gotten the ability to hear perspectives from so ability to hear perspectives from so ability to hear perspectives from so many different people that I think I can many different people that I think I can many different people that I think I can understand a lot of different understand a lot of different understand a lot of different perspectives um for failures of mine I perspectives um for failures of mine I perspectives um for failures of mine I mean it's always going to be on stream mean it's always going to be on stream mean it's always going to be on stream it'll be like I didn't push back hard it'll be like I didn't push back hard it'll be like I didn't push back hard enough or I didn't know like a certain enough or I didn't know like a certain enough or I didn't know like a certain fact for a conversation um these are fact for a conversation um these are fact for a conversation um these are usually the they're going to be on these usually the they're going to be on these usually the they're going to be on these like very technical grounds generally like very technical grounds generally like very technical grounds generally I'm pretty happy with like the direction I'm pretty happy with like the direction I'm pretty happy with like the direction my conversations have G on uh recently my conversations have G on uh recently my conversations have G on uh recently especially over like the past 6 months especially over like the past 6 months especially over like the past 6 months so your goal is to deradicalize the so your goal is to deradicalize the so your goal is to deradicalize the audience of those folks so that used to audience of those folks so that used to audience of those folks so that used to be my goal uh my goal was be my goal uh my goal was be my goal uh my goal was deradicalization now I'm kind of hoping deradicalization now I'm kind of hoping deradicalization now I'm kind of hoping that that's just the byproduct so the that that's just the byproduct so the that that's just the byproduct so the goal I think is to talk to somebody and goal I think is to talk to somebody and goal I think is to talk to somebody and to show they believe this because of to show they believe this because of to show they believe this because of these reasons and if you want to change these reasons and if you want to change these reasons and if you want to change people's beliefs we have to talk about people's beliefs we have to talk about people's beliefs we have to talk about the underlying reasons for why they the underlying reasons for why they the underlying reasons for why they think the things they think it's not think the things they think it's not think the things they think it's not enough to just say like that belief is enough to just say like that belief is enough to just say like that belief is bad cuz it's like well they believe it bad cuz it's like well they believe it bad cuz it's like well they believe it for a whole bunch of things that are for a whole bunch of things that are for a whole bunch of things that are true and real to them at least so you true and real to them at least so you true and real to them at least so you have to address all the underlying

have to address all the underlying have to address all the underlying things that they believe before you can things that they believe before you can things that they believe before you can change the overlying belief so if I'm change the overlying belief so if I'm change the overlying belief so if I'm having a conversation with somebody having a conversation with somebody having a conversation with somebody it'll be like okay why do you feel this it'll be like okay why do you feel this it'll be like okay why do you feel this about that that and that okay I about that that and that okay I about that that and that okay I understand that maybe like a better way understand that maybe like a better way understand that maybe like a better way to solve that would be like this or that to solve that would be like this or that to solve that would be like this or that instead of this thing so to what degree instead of this thing so to what degree instead of this thing so to what degree do you have to empathize with the do you have to empathize with the do you have to empathize with the person's worldview versus push back person's worldview versus push back person's worldview versus push back that's that's always the hard one uh that's that's always the hard one uh that's that's always the hard one uh when I'm talking to other people it's when I'm talking to other people it's when I'm talking to other people it's almost always me stepping as much inside almost always me stepping as much inside almost always me stepping as much inside their bubble as I can I have to like their bubble as I can I have to like their bubble as I can I have to like live and breathe their worldview and be live and breathe their worldview and be live and breathe their worldview and be able to speak their worldview in order able to speak their worldview in order able to speak their worldview in order to like navigate their thoughts because to like navigate their thoughts because to like navigate their thoughts because my worldview is um I I don't even I'm my worldview is um I I don't even I'm my worldview is um I I don't even I'm not even using this as an insult I don't not even using this as an insult I don't not even using this as an insult I don't know if I am a little bit Autistic or know if I am a little bit Autistic or know if I am a little bit Autistic or something but when I break apart things something but when I break apart things something but when I break apart things I just want to see like study study I just want to see like study study I just want to see like study study study fact fact fact that's how my mind study fact fact fact that's how my mind study fact fact fact that's how my mind works for everything that's just that's works for everything that's just that's works for everything that's just that's what I like to see like um personal what I like to see like um personal what I like to see like um personal stories don't do much for me narratives stories don't do much for me narratives stories don't do much for me narratives don't do much for me just show me like don't do much for me just show me like don't do much for me just show me like the the data on the studies or whatever the the data on the studies or whatever the the data on the studies or whatever but for other people I think most brains but for other people I think most brains but for other people I think most brains are more human than that and they tend are more human than that and they tend are more human than that and they tend to see things in more kind of like to see things in more kind of like to see things in more kind of like uh surreal pictures that are kind of uh surreal pictures that are kind of uh surreal pictures that are kind of painted and the brush Strokes are way painted and the brush Strokes are way painted and the brush Strokes are way broader and you know they don't care broader and you know they don't care broader and you know they don't care about the itty bitty tiny fact um so if about the itty bitty tiny fact um so if about the itty bitty tiny fact um so if I'm talking to somebody else and I'm I'm talking to somebody else and I'm I'm talking to somebody else and I'm trying to get into their head and I'm trying to get into their head and I'm trying to get into their head and I'm trying to change their mind on things trying to change their mind on things trying to change their mind on things I'm going to be stepping into their I'm going to be stepping into their I'm going to be stepping into their world and I'm going to try to be working world and I'm going to try to be working world and I'm going to try to be working through that framework really good through that framework really good through that framework really good example might be um we'll say like uh example might be um we'll say like uh example might be um we'll say like uh when it comes to trans issues for minors when it comes to trans issues for minors when it comes to trans issues for minors okay 16 or 17y old needs to go on okay 16 or 17y old needs to go on okay 16 or 17y old needs to go on puberty blockers the way that I want puberty blockers the way that I want puberty blockers the way that I want that debate to play out is uh let's look that debate to play out is uh let's look that debate to play out is uh let's look at all the data let's see what are the at all the data let's see what are the at all the data let's see what are the comes uh let's see what are the comes uh let's see what are the comes uh let's see what are the processes for getting a medication and processes for getting a medication and processes for getting a medication and then we'll evaluate all of that and then then we'll evaluate all of that and then then we'll evaluate all of that and then we'll go in whatever like points more

we'll go in whatever like points more we'll go in whatever like points more favorably but that's wholly unconvincing favorably but that's wholly unconvincing favorably but that's wholly unconvincing to most people right so as a parent if to most people right so as a parent if to most people right so as a parent if I'm having that conversation with I'm having that conversation with I'm having that conversation with another parent the easiest way for me to another parent the easiest way for me to another parent the easiest way for me to have that conversation is like hey we have that conversation is like hey we have that conversation is like hey we both have kids imagine how horrible it both have kids imagine how horrible it both have kids imagine how horrible it would be if we felt like our kids needed would be if we felt like our kids needed would be if we felt like our kids needed help and the government was trying to help and the government was trying to help and the government was trying to get between us and and their doctor in get between us and and their doctor in get between us and and their doctor in that conversation that might be how that that conversation that might be how that that conversation that might be how that talk plays out which I think that's a talk plays out which I think that's a talk plays out which I think that's a really good argument because I think really good argument because I think really good argument because I think there probably are times when the there probably are times when the there probably are times when the government should get in between it but government should get in between it but government should get in between it but I'll have that conversation because now I'll have that conversation because now I'll have that conversation because now I'm in a world where they understand I'm in a world where they understand I'm in a world where they understand what I'm saying I'm resonating with the what I'm saying I'm resonating with the what I'm saying I'm resonating with the way that they feel about things and I way that they feel about things and I way that they feel about things and I can make progress with with the way that can make progress with with the way that can make progress with with the way that they're kind of viewing the world they're kind of viewing the world they're kind of viewing the world because I'm talking in a language they because I'm talking in a language they because I'm talking in a language they understand so on this particular topic understand so on this particular topic understand so on this particular topic of trans issues is that the reason you of trans issues is that the reason you of trans issues is that the reason you were banned from twitch I'm not sure I were banned from twitch I'm not sure I were banned from twitch I'm not sure I don't know uh they just said hate speech don't know uh they just said hate speech don't know uh they just said hate speech but I don't use like slurs or anything but I don't use like slurs or anything but I don't use like slurs or anything so it's hard to know exactly so I think so it's hard to know exactly so I think so it's hard to know exactly so I think you made the claim that trans women you made the claim that trans women you made the claim that trans women shouldn't compete with CIS women in the shouldn't compete with CIS women in the shouldn't compete with CIS women in the women's Athletics MH can you make the women's Athletics MH can you make the women's Athletics MH can you make the this case and Can you steal man the case this case and Can you steal man the case this case and Can you steal man the case against it I think in your community against it I think in your community against it I think in your community there's a lot of trans folks who love there's a lot of trans folks who love there's a lot of trans folks who love you and there's a lot who hate you yeah you and there's a lot who hate you yeah you and there's a lot who hate you yeah and so if you can walk the tight rope of and so if you can walk the tight rope of and so if you can walk the tight rope of this conversation they try to steal me this conversation they try to steal me this conversation they try to steal me on both sides one of the argumentative on both sides one of the argumentative on both sides one of the argumentative strategies I say is that like anytime strategies I say is that like anytime strategies I say is that like anytime you have a conversation you should be you have a conversation you should be you have a conversation you should be able to argue both sides better than able to argue both sides better than able to argue both sides better than anybody else you know so um for the for anybody else you know so um for the for anybody else you know so um for the for the my side the genuine belief side um the my side the genuine belief side um the my side the genuine belief side um it feels like overwhelmingly all of the it feels like overwhelmingly all of the it feels like overwhelmingly all of the data is showing that trans we'll say data is showing that trans we'll say data is showing that trans we'll say trans women uh even after I think 3 trans women uh even after I think 3 trans women uh even after I think 3 years on some sort of like HRT or you

years on some sort of like HRT or you years on some sort of like HRT or you know estrogen uh stuff they're still know estrogen uh stuff they're still know estrogen uh stuff they're still maintaining these advantages from their maintaining these advantages from their maintaining these advantages from their male puberty over cisgender women and if male puberty over cisgender women and if male puberty over cisgender women and if that is the case if we are going to draw that is the case if we are going to draw that is the case if we are going to draw these distinctions around our Sports these distinctions around our Sports these distinctions around our Sports between women and men it feels unfair to between women and men it feels unfair to between women and men it feels unfair to have a category inside the women's have a category inside the women's have a category inside the women's sports that are maintaining advantages sports that are maintaining advantages sports that are maintaining advantages that are coming from a male puberty um that are coming from a male puberty um that are coming from a male puberty um regardless of the amount of time they've regardless of the amount of time they've regardless of the amount of time they've spent on spent on spent on hormone replacement therapy so that that hormone replacement therapy so that that hormone replacement therapy so that that would be my argument on that side so would be my argument on that side so would be my argument on that side so it's unfair from a performance it's unfair from a performance it's unfair from a performance enhancement aspect so the same way we enhancement aspect so the same way we enhancement aspect so the same way we ban performance performance enhancing ban performance performance enhancing ban performance performance enhancing drugs that involve increasing of test drugs that involve increasing of test drugs that involve increasing of test testosterone in that same way would be testosterone in that same way would be testosterone in that same way would be unfair essentially yeah so what's the unfair essentially yeah so what's the unfair essentially yeah so what's the case uh against the yeah so the case in case uh against the yeah so the case in case uh against the yeah so the case in favor of them competing together is that favor of them competing together is that favor of them competing together is that realistically there's not going to be a realistically there's not going to be a realistically there's not going to be a trans Sports category uh realistically trans Sports category uh realistically trans Sports category uh realistically trans women aren't going to be trans women aren't going to be trans women aren't going to be competitive with CIS men because they've competitive with CIS men because they've competitive with CIS men because they've gone through these huge uh you know like gone through these huge uh you know like gone through these huge uh you know like hormone changes by the medication hormone changes by the medication hormone changes by the medication they're taking and that when we look at they're taking and that when we look at they're taking and that when we look at how sports are kind of done anyway how sports are kind of done anyway how sports are kind of done anyway there's a whole bunch of biological there's a whole bunch of biological there's a whole bunch of biological differences between people within sports differences between people within sports differences between people within sports categories that are determining their categories that are determining their categories that are determining their placement in the professional world so placement in the professional world so placement in the professional world so for instance um somebody like me is for instance um somebody like me is for instance um somebody like me is probably never going to go far in the probably never going to go far in the probably never going to go far in the MBA because I'm not tall enough uh I MBA because I'm not tall enough uh I MBA because I'm not tall enough uh I think the average height in the NBA think the average height in the NBA think the average height in the NBA don't doubt yourself don't doubt myself don't doubt yourself don't doubt myself don't doubt yourself don't doubt myself yeah I want to say it's like six six yeah I want to say it's like six six yeah I want to say it's like six six something they're huge people um or you something they're huge people um or you something they're huge people um or you know you look at like Michael Phelps as know you look at like Michael Phelps as know you look at like Michael Phelps as a classic example of a guy whose torso a classic example of a guy whose torso a classic example of a guy whose torso is like so long his body is built for

is like so long his body is built for is like so long his body is built for swimming and I think there are some swimming and I think there are some swimming and I think there are some trans people that will look at that or trans people that will look at that or trans people that will look at that or some B advocating for this position some B advocating for this position some B advocating for this position they'll look at that they go okay they'll look at that they go okay they'll look at that they go okay realistically the way that Michael php's realistically the way that Michael php's realistically the way that Michael php's body um processes lactic acid the shape body um processes lactic acid the shape body um processes lactic acid the shape physiologically of his body is going to physiologically of his body is going to physiologically of his body is going to put him in a level of competition that put him in a level of competition that put him in a level of competition that so many men are never going to reach so many men are never going to reach so many men are never going to reach just because of biology how is it fair just because of biology how is it fair just because of biology how is it fair that you can have these biological that you can have these biological that you can have these biological outliers competing in these categories outliers competing in these categories outliers competing in these categories but then when we come to like sports but then when we come to like sports but then when we come to like sports categories with trans and CIS women categories with trans and CIS women categories with trans and CIS women you're going to take trans women and say you're going to take trans women and say you're going to take trans women and say that they can't compete against CIS that they can't compete against CIS that they can't compete against CIS women can't you also just say that they women can't you also just say that they women can't you also just say that they have some level of biological difference have some level of biological difference have some level of biological difference there like is it really going to be that there like is it really going to be that there like is it really going to be that great of a difference than what Michael great of a difference than what Michael great of a difference than what Michael Phelps has versus the average swimmer or Phelps has versus the average swimmer or Phelps has versus the average swimmer or an NBA player has versus like the an NBA player has versus like the an NBA player has versus like the average hyp average hyp average hyp male yeah do you think we're going to male yeah do you think we're going to male yeah do you think we're going to get into some tricky ethical territory get into some tricky ethical territory get into some tricky ethical territory as we start to be able to uh through as we start to be able to uh through as we start to be able to uh through biology and genetics modify the human biology and genetics modify the human biology and genetics modify the human body absolutely I feel like those things body absolutely I feel like those things body absolutely I feel like those things are coming sooner than uh we wanted to are coming sooner than uh we wanted to are coming sooner than uh we wanted to them to uh the uh oh man dude the a have them to uh the uh oh man dude the a have them to uh the uh oh man dude the a have you seen the AI art yes that's a of you seen the AI art yes that's a of you seen the AI art yes that's a of course I'm an AI person oh okay then course I'm an AI person oh okay then course I'm an AI person oh okay then yeah yeah that's a uh that's always been yeah yeah that's a uh that's always been yeah yeah that's a uh that's always been like uh what's going to happen when uh like uh what's going to happen when uh like uh what's going to happen when uh when robots can do art better than when robots can do art better than when robots can do art better than humans LOL like well we'll see in 20 humans LOL like well we'll see in 20 humans LOL like well we'll see in 20 years in 20 years in 20 years and now years in 20 years in 20 years and now years in 20 years in 20 years and now you have ai art winning competitions and you have ai art winning competitions and you have ai art winning competitions and it's funny because robots are it's funny because robots are it's funny because robots are essentially there's a robot behind you essentially there's a robot behind you essentially there's a robot behind you by the way a robot behind me ro oh nice by the way a robot behind me ro oh nice by the way a robot behind me ro oh nice um robots are really good careful what um robots are really good careful what um robots are really good careful what you say yeah I got it I'll be careful um you say yeah I got it I'll be careful um you say yeah I got it I'll be careful um that's not like one of the Chinese ones that's not like one of the Chinese ones that's not like one of the Chinese ones with a gun on it right oh okay hopefully with a gun on it right oh okay hopefully with a gun on it right oh okay hopefully not uh we we'll see depending on what

not uh we we'll see depending on what not uh we we'll see depending on what you say yeah okay robots are really good you say yeah okay robots are really good you say yeah okay robots are really good at showing the limitations of the human at showing the limitations of the human at showing the limitations of the human mind in categories that we didn't mind in categories that we didn't mind in categories that we didn't believe we were limited before like I believe we were limited before like I believe we were limited before like I think that humans have this idea think that humans have this idea think that humans have this idea intrinsically that we have like some intrinsically that we have like some intrinsically that we have like some type of like Innovative Creative Drive type of like Innovative Creative Drive type of like Innovative Creative Drive that is just outside of the bounds of that is just outside of the bounds of that is just outside of the bounds of physical understanding and with a physical understanding and with a physical understanding and with a sophisticated enough program we see that sophisticated enough program we see that sophisticated enough program we see that maybe that's not actually true and maybe that's not actually true and maybe that's not actually true and that's a really scary thing that's a really scary thing that's a really scary thing philosophically to deal with because we philosophically to deal with because we philosophically to deal with because we feel like we're very special right we we feel like we're very special right we we feel like we're very special right we we own the planet we make computers and the own the planet we make computers and the own the planet we make computers and the idea that you can start to get these idea that you can start to get these idea that you can start to get these robots that can do things that's like robots that can do things that's like robots that can do things that's like okay you can do math fine okay you can okay you can do math fine okay you can okay you can do math fine okay you can do calculations fine but you can't do do calculations fine but you can't do do calculations fine but you can't do art that's the human stuff and then when art that's the human stuff and then when art that's the human stuff and then when they start to do that it's like oh shoot they start to do that it's like oh shoot they start to do that it's like oh shoot and that terrifies you a little bit like and that terrifies you a little bit like and that terrifies you a little bit like uh losing the human species losing uh losing the human species losing uh losing the human species losing control of our dominance over this Earth control of our dominance over this Earth control of our dominance over this Earth I don't think it's necessarily losing I don't think it's necessarily losing I don't think it's necessarily losing control of our dominance I mean I guess control of our dominance I mean I guess control of our dominance I mean I guess like a Skynet thing could come in at like a Skynet thing could come in at like a Skynet thing could come in at some point but I think it I think it some point but I think it I think it some point but I think it I think it more it it brings us to this really more it it brings us to this really more it it brings us to this really fundamental level of like what does it fundamental level of like what does it fundamental level of like what does it mean to be human what is it that we're mean to be human what is it that we're mean to be human what is it that we're good at um what should we be doing with good at um what should we be doing with good at um what should we be doing with technology we never really ask that technology we never really ask that technology we never really ask that question in the western world it's question in the western world it's question in the western world it's always the technology is like normative always the technology is like normative always the technology is like normative in that technology equals good and more in that technology equals good and more in that technology equals good and more technology equals better that's been technology equals better that's been technology equals better that's been like the default assumption in fact if like the default assumption in fact if like the default assumption in fact if you ask a lot of people how do you know you ask a lot of people how do you know you ask a lot of people how do you know if civilization has progressed over the if civilization has progressed over the if civilization has progressed over the past 100 or 200 years they don't say we past 100 or 200 years they don't say we past 100 or 200 years they don't say we have better relationships we um you know have better relationships we um you know have better relationships we um you know have longer marriages we blah blah blah have longer marriages we blah blah blah have longer marriages we blah blah blah they'll say technology has improved they'll say technology has improved they'll say technology has improved we've got crazy phones we got crazy we've got crazy phones we got crazy we've got crazy phones we got crazy computers and um the idea that more

computers and um the idea that more computers and um the idea that more technology might be bad has never even technology might be bad has never even technology might be bad has never even crossed somebody's mind unless it's used crossed somebody's mind unless it's used crossed somebody's mind unless it's used for like a really bad thing so well it's for like a really bad thing so well it's for like a really bad thing so well it's interesting we kind of think as more and interesting we kind of think as more and interesting we kind of think as more and more automation is happening we're going more automation is happening we're going more automation is happening we're going to get more and more meaning from things to get more and more meaning from things to get more and more meaning from things like being artists and doing creative like being artists and doing creative like being artists and doing creative Pursuits and here is like oh Pursuits and here is like oh Pursuits and here is like oh shit if the art if the creative Pursuits shit if the art if the creative Pursuits shit if the art if the creative Pursuits are also being automated then what are are also being automated then what are are also being automated then what are we going to gain meaning from what are we going to gain meaning from what are we going to gain meaning from what are the activities from which we'll gain the activities from which we'll gain the activities from which we'll gain meaning you know my whole life I've been meaning you know my whole life I've been meaning you know my whole life I've been working on artificial intelligence working on artificial intelligence working on artificial intelligence systems there's been different systems there's been different systems there's been different revolutions one of them is is the is the revolutions one of them is is the is the revolutions one of them is is the is the machine learning Revolution and it's machine learning Revolution and it's machine learning Revolution and it's interesting to build up intuition and uh interesting to build up intuition and uh interesting to build up intuition and uh destroy that intuition about what is and destroy that intuition about what is and destroy that intuition about what is and isn't solvable by machines I think um isn't solvable by machines I think um isn't solvable by machines I think um for the longest time I grew up thinking for the longest time I grew up thinking for the longest time I grew up thinking go is not the game of Go is not solvable go is not the game of Go is not solvable go is not the game of Go is not solvable uh because my understanding of AI uh because my understanding of AI uh because my understanding of AI systems is ultimately that it's is it's systems is ultimately that it's is it's systems is ultimately that it's is it's fundamentally a search mechanism that is fundamentally a search mechanism that is fundamentally a search mechanism that is fundamentally going to be Brute Force fundamentally going to be Brute Force fundamentally going to be Brute Force there's no shortcuts sure like a tra there's no shortcuts sure like a tra there's no shortcuts sure like a tra like if it can't solve the traveling like if it can't solve the traveling like if it can't solve the traveling salesman problem it's not even going to salesman problem it's not even going to salesman problem it's not even going to be able to give you an approximation so be able to give you an approximation so be able to give you an approximation so most interesting problems are giant most interesting problems are giant most interesting problems are giant travel salesman problem and then so of travel salesman problem and then so of travel salesman problem and then so of course it's not going to be able to course it's not going to be able to course it's not going to be able to solve that and then you then uh the Deep solve that and then you then uh the Deep solve that and then you then uh the Deep learning Revolution made you realize learning Revolution made you realize learning Revolution made you realize holy shit these large neural network holy shit these large neural network holy shit these large neural network with a giant number of knobs is able to with a giant number of knobs is able to with a giant number of knobs is able to actually actually actually somehow uh uh estimate functions that somehow uh uh estimate functions that somehow uh uh estimate functions that can do a pretty good job of can do a pretty good job of can do a pretty good job of understanding deep representation of a

understanding deep representation of a understanding deep representation of a thing whether that's a game of Go or thing whether that's a game of Go or thing whether that's a game of Go or whether it's the human natural language whether it's the human natural language whether it's the human natural language or if it's images and video or um audio or if it's images and video or um audio or if it's images and video or um audio and even actions and different video and even actions and different video and even actions and different video games and actions of Robotics and so on games and actions of Robotics and so on games and actions of Robotics and so on and then you realize with diffusion and then you realize with diffusion and then you realize with diffusion models and different different models and different different models and different different generative models you start to realize generative models you start to realize generative models you start to realize holy shit it can actually generate not holy shit it can actually generate not holy shit it can actually generate not just just just interesting uh representations or interesting uh representations or interesting uh representations or interesting manifestations of the interesting manifestations of the interesting manifestations of the representations that forms but it's able representations that forms but it's able representations that forms but it's able to do something that impresses humans in to do something that impresses humans in to do something that impresses humans in its creativity MH it's it's beautiful in its creativity MH it's it's beautiful in its creativity MH it's it's beautiful in the way we think of art as beautiful the way we think of art as beautiful the way we think of art as beautiful like it surprises us and makes us like it surprises us and makes us like it surprises us and makes us chuckle and makes us uh sit back in awe chuckle and makes us uh sit back in awe chuckle and makes us uh sit back in awe and all those kinds of things and yet and all those kinds of things and yet and all those kinds of things and yet the thing that it seems to struggle with the thing that it seems to struggle with the thing that it seems to struggle with the most is the physical world currently the most is the physical world currently the most is the physical world currently so that that's counterintuitive we so that that's counterintuitive we so that that's counterintuitive we humans think that it's um it's pretty humans think that it's um it's pretty humans think that it's um it's pretty trivial the being able to pick up a cup trivial the being able to pick up a cup trivial the being able to pick up a cup being able to like write with a pen like being able to like write with a pen like being able to like write with a pen like in the physical space we think that's in the physical space we think that's in the physical space we think that's trivial we give ourselves respect for trivial we give ourselves respect for trivial we give ourselves respect for being great artists and great uh being great artists and great uh being great artists and great uh mathematicians and all that kind of mathematicians and all that kind of mathematicians and all that kind of stuff and that seems to be much easier stuff and that seems to be much easier stuff and that seems to be much easier than the physical space bodies are than the physical space bodies are than the physical space bodies are really cool there is a um I don't know really cool there is a um I don't know really cool there is a um I don't know it's probably azab or something there it's probably azab or something there it's probably azab or something there was some science fiction writer that it was some science fiction writer that it was some science fiction writer that it had a short story and it was like an had a short story and it was like an had a short story and it was like an alien that had landed on Earth and it alien that had landed on Earth and it alien that had landed on Earth and it was describing our bodies from a totally was describing our bodies from a totally was describing our bodies from a totally alien perspective and when you think alien perspective and when you think alien perspective and when you think about all the things we can do it's about all the things we can do it's about all the things we can do it's pretty cool we can you know climb pretty cool we can you know climb pretty cool we can you know climb through a whole multitude of through a whole multitude of through a whole multitude of environments we can exist at a multitude environments we can exist at a multitude environments we can exist at a multitude of temperatures we can manipulate things

of temperatures we can manipulate things of temperatures we can manipulate things um just with our hands and how you know um just with our hands and how you know um just with our hands and how you know the way that we can interact with things the way that we can interact with things the way that we can interact with things around us and yeah we're very capable on around us and yeah we're very capable on around us and yeah we're very capable on like a physical level even though like like a physical level even though like like a physical level even though like you said we think about ourselves like you said we think about ourselves like you said we think about ourselves like oh well human beings have really big oh well human beings have really big oh well human beings have really big brains and we do we're really brains and we do we're really brains and we do we're really intelligent as well but yeah our bodies intelligent as well but yeah our bodies intelligent as well but yeah our bodies are pretty cool too and it's a are pretty cool too and it's a are pretty cool too and it's a fascinating hierarchical biological fascinating hierarchical biological fascinating hierarchical biological system like um that we made up of a system like um that we made up of a system like um that we made up of a bunch of bunch of bunch of different like living organisms that all different like living organisms that all different like living organisms that all don't know about the big picture of our don't know about the big picture of our don't know about the big picture of our body MH and it's all functioning its own body MH and it's all functioning its own body MH and it's all functioning its own little local world and it's doing its little local world and it's doing its little local world and it's doing its thing but together it has a it forms a thing but together it has a it forms a thing but together it has a it forms a super resilient system all of that comes super resilient system all of that comes super resilient system all of that comes from a very uh compressed encoding of from a very uh compressed encoding of from a very uh compressed encoding of what makes a human you start with the what makes a human you start with the what makes a human you start with the DNA and it builds up from a single cell DNA and it builds up from a single cell DNA and it builds up from a single cell to a giant organism mhm I mean that and to a giant organism mhm I mean that and to a giant organism mhm I mean that and because of the DNA through the evolution because of the DNA through the evolution because of the DNA through the evolution process you can constantly create new process you can constantly create new process you can constantly create new humans and new living organisms that humans and new living organisms that humans and new living organisms that adapt to the environment like that adapt to the environment like that adapt to the environment like that resilience to the physical world it resilience to the physical world it resilience to the physical world it seems like running the whole earth over seems like running the whole earth over seems like running the whole earth over again the whole evolutionary process again the whole evolutionary process again the whole evolutionary process over again is uh might be the only way over again is uh might be the only way over again is uh might be the only way to do it so to create a robot that to do it so to create a robot that to do it so to create a robot that actually actually actually jobs is as resilient to the dynamic jobs is as resilient to the dynamic jobs is as resilient to the dynamic world might be a really difficult world might be a really difficult world might be a really difficult problem possibly well I was going to say problem possibly well I was going to say problem possibly well I was going to say like in a programming environment you like in a programming environment you like in a programming environment you can do things on time scales that are can do things on time scales that are can do things on time scales that are impossible in the real world right like impossible in the real world right like impossible in the real world right like the benefit to Ai and computers is the benefit to Ai and computers is the benefit to Ai and computers is computationally they can compute so much

computationally they can compute so much computationally they can compute so much data so quickly um whereas on human data so quickly um whereas on human data so quickly um whereas on human timetables we have to wait when you talk timetables we have to wait when you talk timetables we have to wait when you talk about Evolution um you know it's about Evolution um you know it's about Evolution um you know it's generation after generation after generation after generation after generation after generation after generation you know maybe in a virtual generation you know maybe in a virtual generation you know maybe in a virtual environment that could be simulated and environment that could be simulated and environment that could be simulated and then those changes Could Happen a lot then those changes Could Happen a lot then those changes Could Happen a lot quicker well that's not a human time quicker well that's not a human time quicker well that's not a human time scale but you have to look at Earth at a scale but you have to look at Earth at a scale but you have to look at Earth at a Quantum as a quantum mechanical system Quantum as a quantum mechanical system Quantum as a quantum mechanical system the computation is happening super fast the computation is happening super fast the computation is happening super fast this is a giant computer doing a giant this is a giant computer doing a giant this is a giant computer doing a giant simulation so just cuz for us humans simulation so just cuz for us humans simulation so just cuz for us humans it's slow there's like trillions of it's slow there's like trillions of it's slow there's like trillions of organisms involved in you Destiny being organisms involved in you Destiny being organisms involved in you Destiny being you sure but the next iteration of like you sure but the next iteration of like you sure but the next iteration of like from Human to human even if on the from Human to human even if on the from Human to human even if on the quantum level there's a lot of stuff quantum level there's a lot of stuff quantum level there's a lot of stuff going on you talk about like um like going on you talk about like um like going on you talk about like um like changes in DNA for instance right like changes in DNA for instance right like changes in DNA for instance right like that's happening from a generation to that's happening from a generation to that's happening from a generation to generation time scale like in a virtual generation time scale like in a virtual generation time scale like in a virtual environment that could theoretically environment that could theoretically environment that could theoretically happen well it already is there's like happen well it already is there's like happen well it already is there's like protein folding like huge cloud protein folding like huge cloud protein folding like huge cloud computing probably ml stuff that's like computing probably ml stuff that's like computing probably ml stuff that's like working on doing all that stuff and working on doing all that stuff and working on doing all that stuff and it'll run like trillions and trillions it'll run like trillions and trillions it'll run like trillions and trillions of simulations you know every second and of simulations you know every second and of simulations you know every second and stuff maybe not every second but still stuff maybe not every second but still stuff maybe not every second but still slower than the actual protein folding slower than the actual protein folding slower than the actual protein folding much slower the that's for the problem much slower the that's for the problem much slower the that's for the problem of solving protein fold folding uh to of solving protein fold folding uh to of solving protein fold folding uh to estimate the 3D structure but the actual estimate the 3D structure but the actual estimate the 3D structure but the actual body does the the actual protein folding body does the the actual protein folding body does the the actual protein folding way faster so like we're the question is way faster so like we're the question is way faster so like we're the question is can we shortcut the simulation of human can we shortcut the simulation of human can we shortcut the simulation of human evolution try to figure out how to build evolution try to figure out how to build evolution try to figure out how to build up an organism without simulating all up an organism without simulating all up an organism without simulating all the details cuz we have to simulate all the details cuz we have to simulate all the details cuz we have to simulate all the details of biology we're screwed we the details of biology we're screwed we the details of biology we're screwed we don't have oh true we'd have to put don't have oh true we'd have to put don't have oh true we'd have to put something in a pond and then watch it something in a pond and then watch it something in a pond and then watch it for that might be way to do it that's

for that might be way to do it that's for that might be way to do it that's what the universe most likely is it's a what the universe most likely is it's a what the universe most likely is it's a kind of simulation created by a teenager kind of simulation created by a teenager kind of simulation created by a teenager in their basement to to try to see what in their basement to to try to see what in their basement to to try to see what happens it's a it's a computer game that happens it's a it's a computer game that happens it's a it's a computer game that might be the most efficient way to might be the most efficient way to might be the most efficient way to create interesting organisms but within create interesting organisms but within create interesting organisms but within the system it's perhaps possible to the system it's perhaps possible to the system it's perhaps possible to create other robots that will be of use create other robots that will be of use create other robots that will be of use and will entertain us in the way that and will entertain us in the way that and will entertain us in the way that other humans entertain us and that's a other humans entertain us and that's a other humans entertain us and that's a really interesting of course problem but really interesting of course problem but really interesting of course problem but it's surprising how difficult it has it's surprising how difficult it has it's surprising how difficult it has been to create systems that operate in been to create systems that operate in been to create systems that operate in the physical world and operate in that the physical world and operate in that the physical world and operate in that physical world in a way that's safe to physical world in a way that's safe to physical world in a way that's safe to humans and interesting to humans MH cuz humans and interesting to humans MH cuz humans and interesting to humans MH cuz there's also the human factor the human there's also the human factor the human there's also the human factor the human robot interaction to me that's like the robot interaction to me that's like the robot interaction to me that's like the most interesting problem to figure out most interesting problem to figure out most interesting problem to figure out how to do that well and uh so you musk how to do that well and uh so you musk how to do that well and uh so you musk and others Boston Dynamics have worked and others Boston Dynamics have worked and others Boston Dynamics have worked on legged robots so I I really care on legged robots so I I really care on legged robots so I I really care about legged robots those are super about legged robots those are super about legged robots those are super interesting how to make them such that interesting how to make them such that interesting how to make them such that they're able to operate successfully in they're able to operate successfully in they're able to operate successfully in a dynamic environment it's super tricky a dynamic environment it's super tricky a dynamic environment it's super tricky they're like they're like the dumbest of they're like they're like the dumbest of they're like they're like the dumbest of dogs speaking of which there's a dog dogs speaking of which there's a dog dogs speaking of which there's a dog barking outside I it's it's really barking outside I it's it's really barking outside I it's it's really tricky to create those kinds of tricky to create those kinds of tricky to create those kinds of organisms that live in a in in the human organisms that live in a in in the human organisms that live in a in in the human world then again if more and more of us world then again if more and more of us world then again if more and more of us move into the digital world so you move into the digital world so you move into the digital world so you stream a lot like part of who you stream a lot like part of who you stream a lot like part of who you are exists in the digital space mhm the

are exists in the digital space mhm the are exists in the digital space mhm the fact that you have a physical fact that you have a physical fact that you have a physical representation also maybe more and more representation also maybe more and more representation also maybe more and more will become not will become not will become not important I hope that's the case cuz I important I hope that's the case cuz I important I hope that's the case cuz I bought a lot of stock in meta and man bought a lot of stock in meta and man bought a lot of stock in meta and man it's down a lot met met of the company it's down a lot met met of the company it's down a lot met met of the company is there some degree like can you can is there some degree like can you can is there some degree like can you can you can you look at yourself like Steven you can you look at yourself like Steven you can you look at yourself like Steven the physical meat vehicle and then the the physical meat vehicle and then the the physical meat vehicle and then the destiny this digital space like digital destiny this digital space like digital destiny this digital space like digital Avatar do do you sense that in a certain Avatar do do you sense that in a certain Avatar do do you sense that in a certain way you're the digital Avatar I've way you're the digital Avatar I've way you're the digital Avatar I've always tried to keep my onstream always tried to keep my onstream always tried to keep my onstream personality as genuine as possible so personality as genuine as possible so personality as genuine as possible so they're one and the same to me I don't they're one and the same to me I don't they're one and the same to me I don't really view them as two separate really view them as two separate really view them as two separate entities so but I mean I always view entities so but I mean I always view entities so but I mean I always view myself with Steven the real life person myself with Steven the real life person myself with Steven the real life person My Destiny is my online name but no but My Destiny is my online name but no but My Destiny is my online name but no but because so many your social network has because so many your social network has because so many your social network has established in the digital space like so established in the digital space like so established in the digital space like so many people know you through the digital many people know you through the digital many people know you through the digital space can there be can we swap on space can there be can we swap on space can there be can we swap on another person that looks like you and another person that looks like you and another person that looks like you and like in the AI system and then that like in the AI system and then that like in the AI system and then that entity known as Destiny will continue entity known as Destiny will continue entity known as Destiny will continue existing it must be like there must be existing it must be like there must be existing it must be like there must be some level of sophistication that could some level of sophistication that could some level of sophistication that could emulate a human brain I would imagine emulate a human brain I would imagine emulate a human brain I would imagine right probably the text's not there yet right probably the text's not there yet right probably the text's not there yet but well the question is what's the but well the question is what's the but well the question is what's the level of sophistication of the audience level of sophistication of the audience level of sophistication of the audience that would recognize that something has that would recognize that something has that would recognize that something has changed changed changed like it's the touring test yeah how hard like it's the touring test yeah how hard like it's the touring test yeah how hard is it to trick your audience your your is it to trick your audience your your is it to trick your audience your your large audience of fans that watch your large audience of fans that watch your large audience of fans that watch your streams that when you swap out in the AI streams that when you swap out in the AI streams that when you swap out in the AI that emulates you that nothing has that emulates you that nothing has that emulates you that nothing has changed and the question is do you have

changed and the question is do you have changed and the question is do you have to really simulate so much of the human to really simulate so much of the human to really simulate so much of the human brain for that I don't think so probably brain for that I don't think so probably brain for that I don't think so probably not so I mean like you said uh a lot of not so I mean like you said uh a lot of not so I mean like you said uh a lot of political discours is just walking down political discours is just walking down political discours is just walking down the tree M together so you can probably the tree M together so you can probably the tree M together so you can probably emulate a lot of that discussion yeah it emulate a lot of that discussion yeah it emulate a lot of that discussion yeah it would depend on if you're doing old data would depend on if you're doing old data would depend on if you're doing old data sets and you're training on that I'm sets and you're training on that I'm sets and you're training on that I'm having conversations about abortion and having conversations about abortion and having conversations about abortion and your cran and vaccines I imagine it your cran and vaccines I imagine it your cran and vaccines I imagine it could do it for quite a while the only could do it for quite a while the only could do it for quite a while the only thing that would be weird is when novel thing that would be weird is when novel thing that would be weird is when novel issues pop up then you probably need a issues pop up then you probably need a issues pop up then you probably need a more sophisticated uh resemblance of the more sophisticated uh resemblance of the more sophisticated uh resemblance of the inner brain right you you have to keep inner brain right you you have to keep inner brain right you you have to keep keep training on the internet so how the keep training on the internet so how the keep training on the internet so how the language models and that's the most language models and that's the most language models and that's the most incredible breakthroughs is the language incredible breakthroughs is the language incredible breakthroughs is the language models you just have to keep retraining models you just have to keep retraining models you just have to keep retraining the system on on Reddit which is the system on on Reddit which is the system on on Reddit which is actually what a lot of it is trained on actually what a lot of it is trained on actually what a lot of it is trained on which is hilarious which is hilarious which is hilarious I do think it's really interesting that I do think it's really interesting that I do think it's really interesting that like kind of like funny problems like like kind of like funny problems like like kind of like funny problems like the trolley problem that we can kind of the trolley problem that we can kind of the trolley problem that we can kind of work through our normative ethical work through our normative ethical work through our normative ethical systems on are now like real questions systems on are now like real questions systems on are now like real questions like if you're driving a Tesla and it's like if you're driving a Tesla and it's like if you're driving a Tesla and it's an autopilot and you're going to hit an autopilot and you're going to hit an autopilot and you're going to hit somebody but it can swerve and hit somebody but it can swerve and hit somebody but it can swerve and hit somebody else like what what ought the somebody else like what what ought the somebody else like what what ought the system do like we went very quickly from system do like we went very quickly from system do like we went very quickly from fun kind of like project in philosophy fun kind of like project in philosophy fun kind of like project in philosophy class to we need to solve this for class to we need to solve this for class to we need to solve this for insurance purposes like as quickly as insurance purposes like as quickly as insurance purposes like as quickly as possible it's kind of interesting to possible it's kind of interesting to possible it's kind of interesting to think about I actually have uh I'll think about I actually have uh I'll think about I actually have uh I'll bring up the try problem with you later bring up the try problem with you later bring up the try problem with you later it's there's a fascinating version of it it's there's a fascinating version of it it's there's a fascinating version of it hilarious okay uh let's let's return to hilarious okay uh let's let's return to hilarious okay uh let's let's return to your low point oh yeah uh you started your low point oh yeah uh you started your low point oh yeah uh you started playing video games that was a lucky playing video games that was a lucky playing video games that was a lucky break you uh you did text based ones break you uh you did text based ones break you uh you did text based ones that was a lucky break cuz you gotten to that was a lucky break cuz you gotten to that was a lucky break cuz you gotten to be pretty good at learning and then you be pretty good at learning and then you be pretty good at learning and then you started thinking about going to college started thinking about going to college started thinking about going to college and so on what happened next I mean I and so on what happened next I mean I and so on what happened next I mean I went to like a prep school so you kind

went to like a prep school so you kind went to like a prep school so you kind of have to go to college after that's of have to go to college after that's of have to go to college after that's like the point right I I was also like the point right I I was also like the point right I I was also Millennial they all of us had to go to Millennial they all of us had to go to Millennial they all of us had to go to college that's always what they told us college that's always what they told us college that's always what they told us so um my life was kind of uh it's hard so um my life was kind of uh it's hard so um my life was kind of uh it's hard to describe I didn't really think much to describe I didn't really think much to describe I didn't really think much of the future I was just kind of of the future I was just kind of of the future I was just kind of enjoying the dayto day cuz everything in enjoying the dayto day cuz everything in enjoying the dayto day cuz everything in my life was pretty weird uh both my my life was pretty weird uh both my my life was pretty weird uh both my parents had moved to Florida by the time parents had moved to Florida by the time parents had moved to Florida by the time I was 16 17 I was living with my grandma I was 16 17 I was living with my grandma I was 16 17 I was living with my grandma I was working I had a girlfriend moved I was working I had a girlfriend moved I was working I had a girlfriend moved out uh we got a place did out uh we got a place did out uh we got a place did College uh by the time I got into College uh by the time I got into College uh by the time I got into college I had transitioned from working college I had transitioned from working college I had transitioned from working at McDonald's to I was like a working in at McDonald's to I was like a working in at McDonald's to I was like a working in a casino restaurant basically and I was a casino restaurant basically and I was a casino restaurant basically and I was really good at that job a high level of really good at that job a high level of really good at that job a high level of patience for drunk people insane people patience for drunk people insane people patience for drunk people insane people and I was doing music in school cuz I've and I was doing music in school cuz I've and I was doing music in school cuz I've really grown to love music and my kind really grown to love music and my kind really grown to love music and my kind of thought processes was my thought of thought processes was my thought of thought processes was my thought process was I can do music as a hobby I process was I can do music as a hobby I process was I can do music as a hobby I guess unless I get really good and maybe guess unless I get really good and maybe guess unless I get really good and maybe I can make money with that but otherwise I can make money with that but otherwise I can make money with that but otherwise I love music I'm okay going to school I love music I'm okay going to school I love music I'm okay going to school for music getting good at it and then for music getting good at it and then for music getting good at it and then just doing that on the side and then my just doing that on the side and then my just doing that on the side and then my main job would kind of be this career I main job would kind of be this career I main job would kind of be this career I was building at the was building at the was building at the casino and basically the trying to casino and basically the trying to casino and basically the trying to balance personal life plus graveyard balance personal life plus graveyard balance personal life plus graveyard shift six ER weeks at a casino and then shift six ER weeks at a casino and then shift six ER weeks at a casino and then a full-time music degree was not a full-time music degree was not a full-time music degree was not possible for me and eventually I had to possible for me and eventually I had to possible for me and eventually I had to drop school after I think it was like 3 drop school after I think it was like 3 drop school after I think it was like 3 years and after I dro school to maintain years and after I dro school to maintain years and after I dro school to maintain my Casino job um after a few months I my Casino job um after a few months I my Casino job um after a few months I got fired from my Casino job so i' got fired from my Casino job so i' got fired from my Casino job so i' essentially just thrown away like the essentially just thrown away like the essentially just thrown away like the past like 3 or four years of my life past like 3 or four years of my life past like 3 or four years of my life why'd you get fired from the casino job why'd you get fired from the casino job why'd you get fired from the casino job I heard there's a story behind that yeah I heard there's a story behind that yeah I heard there's a story behind that yeah there's a story basically I was just there's a story basically I was just there's a story basically I was just really dumb when it came to really dumb when it came to really dumb when it came to understanding corporate politics and I understanding corporate politics and I understanding corporate politics and I this is funny because the same attitude this is funny because the same attitude this is funny because the same attitude kind of followed me into the streaming kind of followed me into the streaming kind of followed me into the streaming world my thought process has kind of

world my thought process has kind of world my thought process has kind of always been um that like as long as I'm always been um that like as long as I'm always been um that like as long as I'm really good at what I do I should be really good at what I do I should be really good at what I do I should be Untouchable if I'm really good you can't Untouchable if I'm really good you can't Untouchable if I'm really good you can't do anything to me I don't have to play do anything to me I don't have to play do anything to me I don't have to play any dumb games or whatever and at the any dumb games or whatever and at the any dumb games or whatever and at the casino I think I was the youngest it was casino I think I was the youngest it was casino I think I was the youngest it was an originally shiftly than supervisor an originally shiftly than supervisor an originally shiftly than supervisor position at the casino and when I position at the casino and when I position at the casino and when I started to get my own shifts there were started to get my own shifts there were started to get my own shifts there were problems that I would run into on problems that I would run into on problems that I would run into on graveyard shift because of carryover graveyard shift because of carryover graveyard shift because of carryover from the swing shift remember one of from the swing shift remember one of from the swing shift remember one of these problems was underneath the soda these problems was underneath the soda these problems was underneath the soda machine they weren't cleaning it machine they weren't cleaning it machine they weren't cleaning it properly and fruit flies were showing up properly and fruit flies were showing up properly and fruit flies were showing up and I my the manager came in one morning and I my the manager came in one morning and I my the manager came in one morning and she was like uh hey what's going on and she was like uh hey what's going on and she was like uh hey what's going on with the machine and I told like listen with the machine and I told like listen with the machine and I told like listen I can't do I can't take everything from I can't do I can't take everything from I can't do I can't take everything from swing shift and do everything at grap swing shift and do everything at grap swing shift and do everything at grap shift I can't do this they need to Fig shift I can't do this they need to Fig shift I can't do this they need to Fig figure out their stuff better or I need figure out their stuff better or I need figure out their stuff better or I need more employees it's not possible for me more employees it's not possible for me more employees it's not possible for me and she's like well did you tell anybody and she's like well did you tell anybody and she's like well did you tell anybody else yeah I complained to the supervisor else yeah I complained to the supervisor else yeah I complained to the supervisor on the swing shift all the time and she on the swing shift all the time and she on the swing shift all the time and she told me if you're not getting the answer told me if you're not getting the answer told me if you're not getting the answer that you like then it's your that you like then it's your that you like then it's your responsibility to email the next person responsibility to email the next person responsibility to email the next person up and I was like oh okay that's up and I was like oh okay that's up and I was like oh okay that's interesting and some months went on and interesting and some months went on and interesting and some months went on and I ran into more problems because on I ran into more problems because on I ran into more problems because on graveyard here's how I don't know if graveyard here's how I don't know if graveyard here's how I don't know if it's everywhere but morning shift is the it's everywhere but morning shift is the it's everywhere but morning shift is the easiest and that's when you're the most easiest and that's when you're the most easiest and that's when you're the most overstaffed because that's when all the overstaffed because that's when all the overstaffed because that's when all the VPS are in and that's when all the VPS are in and that's when all the VPS are in and that's when all the managers are there and everybody blah managers are there and everybody blah managers are there and everybody blah blah blah swing shift is the most blah blah swing shift is the most blah blah swing shift is the most challenging that's what your highest challenging that's what your highest challenging that's what your highest flow of customers is you're also flow of customers is you're also flow of customers is you're also decently staffed there but there's a lot decently staffed there but there's a lot decently staffed there but there's a lot of stuff going on and graveyard nobody of stuff going on and graveyard nobody of stuff going on and graveyard nobody cares at all about you they don't give cares at all about you they don't give cares at all about you they don't give you any employees you might get swamped you any employees you might get swamped you any employees you might get swamped you might not who cares make sure it's you might not who cares make sure it's you might not who cares make sure it's clean for day shift that's the only clean for day shift that's the only clean for day shift that's the only thing that matters a quick question for thing that matters a quick question for thing that matters a quick question for sort of clarification so this is 24-hour sort of clarification so this is 24-hour sort of clarification so this is 24-hour 24hour Dino yeah Casino yeah so it's the 24hour Dino yeah Casino yeah so it's the 24hour Dino yeah Casino yeah so it's the din in a casino oh by the way I had an din in a casino oh by the way I had an din in a casino oh by the way I had an amazing moment at Din in a casino

amazing moment at Din in a casino amazing moment at Din in a casino recently it's a special place A din recently it's a special place A din recently it's a special place A din casino is a place of magic there's a lot casino is a place of magic there's a lot casino is a place of magic there's a lot of I don't I say magic but there's a lot of I don't I say magic but there's a lot of I don't I say magic but there's a lot of other worldly stuff going on there's of other worldly stuff going on there's of other worldly stuff going on there's characters there's and uh the I had an characters there's and uh the I had an characters there's and uh the I had an interaction with the waitress that was interaction with the waitress that was interaction with the waitress that was the sweetest waitress in the world and the sweetest waitress in the world and the sweetest waitress in the world and it was just like I don't know made me it was just like I don't know made me it was just like I don't know made me feel less alone in this cruel world of feel less alone in this cruel world of feel less alone in this cruel world of ours uh so graveyard begins when for me ours uh so graveyard begins when for me ours uh so graveyard begins when for me my shift was 10 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. or my shift was 10 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. or my shift was 10 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. or sometimes I get called in early so it be sometimes I get called in early so it be sometimes I get called in early so it be 8:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. that's uh no love 8:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. that's uh no love 8:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. that's uh no love for that shift no especially not trying for that shift no especially not trying for that shift no especially not trying to do school at the same time absolutely to do school at the same time absolutely to do school at the same time absolutely not um but yeah basically long story not um but yeah basically long story not um but yeah basically long story short I ran into a problem with my where short I ran into a problem with my where short I ran into a problem with my where I didn't have enough employees on my I didn't have enough employees on my I didn't have enough employees on my shift VPS were coming in in the morning shift VPS were coming in in the morning shift VPS were coming in in the morning they're like hey the diner is kind of they're like hey the diner is kind of they're like hey the diner is kind of dirty and I'm like you've cut all my dirty and I'm like you've cut all my dirty and I'm like you've cut all my employees past 400 a.m. like on some employees past 400 a.m. like on some employees past 400 a.m. like on some nights I'm literally cooking and doing nights I'm literally cooking and doing nights I'm literally cooking and doing front of house like all on my own like I front of house like all on my own like I front of house like all on my own like I can't do this and my manager Pam told me can't do this and my manager Pam told me can't do this and my manager Pam told me well you got to figure it out and so I well you got to figure it out and so I well you got to figure it out and so I remembered her advice so I emailed the remembered her advice so I emailed the remembered her advice so I emailed the VP of food and beverage and I cced her VP of food and beverage and I cced her VP of food and beverage and I cced her and I said I'm not getting the help I and I said I'm not getting the help I and I said I'm not getting the help I need on my restaurant now I didn't know need on my restaurant now I didn't know need on my restaurant now I didn't know at the time that I was basically at the time that I was basically at the time that I was basically completely throwing her under the bus completely throwing her under the bus completely throwing her under the bus because of that email but I because of that email but I because of that email but I retroactively when I look back on things retroactively when I look back on things retroactively when I look back on things or retrospect I see that was the moment or retrospect I see that was the moment or retrospect I see that was the moment that I got like marked for deletion and that I got like marked for deletion and that I got like marked for deletion and I didn't really understand it even I didn't really understand it even I didn't really understand it even though I heard terminology for papering though I heard terminology for papering though I heard terminology for papering somebody out the door but after that somebody out the door but after that somebody out the door but after that point I started to get written up for point I started to get written up for point I started to get written up for like a lot of little random things like like a lot of little random things like like a lot of little random things like I'll come like I missed one day of work I'll come like I missed one day of work I'll come like I missed one day of work in my three years at the casino and I in my three years at the casino and I in my three years at the casino and I started get written up for like sh up started get written up for like sh up started get written up for like sh up like one or two minutes late that's kind like one or two minutes late that's kind like one or two minutes late that's kind of weird that's whatever um or written of weird that's whatever um or written of weird that's whatever um or written up for random ways about filing up for random ways about filing up for random ways about filing paperwork and then eventually there came

paperwork and then eventually there came paperwork and then eventually there came a situation with another employee where a situation with another employee where a situation with another employee where they were it's complicated has to like they were it's complicated has to like they were it's complicated has to like call out stuff but basically they wanted call out stuff but basically they wanted call out stuff but basically they wanted to come or wanted to call out and I told to come or wanted to call out and I told to come or wanted to call out and I told them if they called out they were going them if they called out they were going them if they called out they were going to get fired because they were at like to get fired because they were at like to get fired because they were at like 10 points they were at nine points and 10 points they were at nine points and 10 points they were at nine points and 10 points is firing blah blah blah Pam 10 points is firing blah blah blah Pam 10 points is firing blah blah blah Pam told me uh you can tell her that she's told me uh you can tell her that she's told me uh you can tell her that she's going to get a point but you can't tell going to get a point but you can't tell going to get a point but you can't tell her she's going to get fired I don't her she's going to get fired I don't her she's going to get fired I don't know what that meant and then I told her know what that meant and then I told her know what that meant and then I told her that if you call out you're going to get that if you call out you're going to get that if you call out you're going to get you know you're fucked you're going to you know you're fucked you're going to you know you're fucked you're going to get fired um or you're going to be had get fired um or you're going to be had get fired um or you're going to be had 10 points and then I got called in early 10 points and then I got called in early 10 points and then I got called in early like 3 days later and Pam was like uh like 3 days later and Pam was like uh like 3 days later and Pam was like uh you inappropriately communicated with an you inappropriately communicated with an you inappropriately communicated with an employee because you said the f- word in employee because you said the f- word in employee because you said the f- word in a text message and I'm like really a text message and I'm like really a text message and I'm like really there's no shot and she's like well you there's no shot and she's like well you there's no shot and she's like well you also tried to fire the employee and I also tried to fire the employee and I also tried to fire the employee and I was like no I told her she was going to was like no I told her she was going to was like no I told her she was going to get 10 points she's like well you use get 10 points she's like well you use get 10 points she's like well you use the f word I'm like this is insane and the f word I'm like this is insane and the f word I'm like this is insane and uh I didn't just cuz I was such a such a uh I didn't just cuz I was such a such a uh I didn't just cuz I was such a such a high performing employee like there's no high performing employee like there's no high performing employee like there's no way I'm getting fired and then I did and way I'm getting fired and then I did and way I'm getting fired and then I did and I was like yeah cash out my 401k and I was like yeah cash out my 401k and I was like yeah cash out my 401k and moped for like 3 months because I they moped for like 3 months because I they moped for like 3 months because I they thrown away school for this casino job thrown away school for this casino job thrown away school for this casino job and then I got fired from this job that and then I got fired from this job that and then I got fired from this job that like yeah nobody believed I got fired it like yeah nobody believed I got fired it like yeah nobody believed I got fired it was just insane yeah so if you look back was just insane yeah so if you look back was just insane yeah so if you look back if you were allowed to not just to look if you were allowed to not just to look if you were allowed to not just to look back to your own memory but actually back to your own memory but actually back to your own memory but actually watch yourself like somebody you record watch yourself like somebody you record watch yourself like somebody you record a video that whole time do you think you a video that whole time do you think you a video that whole time do you think you would be surprised you would notice some would be surprised you would notice some would be surprised you would notice some things like potentially things like potentially things like potentially of not having a self-awareness not of not having a self-awareness not of not having a self-awareness not having like social like a Civility and having like social like a Civility and having like social like a Civility and social etiquette that's played in the social etiquette that's played in the social etiquette that's played in the human relations yeah human relations yeah human relations yeah absolutely so is that is that at the absolutely so is that is that at the absolutely so is that is that at the core of it essentially yeah I think so I core of it essentially yeah I think so I core of it essentially yeah I think so I mean that follows me even to this day mean that follows me even to this day mean that follows me even to this day there's a lot of um I don't know if there's a lot of um I don't know if there's a lot of um I don't know if you're recording or not but when we you're recording or not but when we you're recording or not but when we spoke early about like meta spoke early about like meta spoke early about like meta conversations I have to think a lot conversations I have to think a lot conversations I have to think a lot sometimes about meta conversations sometimes about meta conversations sometimes about meta conversations because the way that I want to drive a because the way that I want to drive a because the way that I want to drive a conversation will sometimes be way

conversation will sometimes be way conversation will sometimes be way different than what is like the best way different than what is like the best way different than what is like the best way to have a conversation whereas I just to have a conversation whereas I just to have a conversation whereas I just want to like go really hard like some want to like go really hard like some want to like go really hard like some itty bitty like some idiosyncrasy some itty bitty like some idiosyncrasy some itty bitty like some idiosyncrasy some Factor figure whatever but that's not Factor figure whatever but that's not Factor figure whatever but that's not like the human conversation I need to like the human conversation I need to like the human conversation I need to have you know yeah so you got fired SL have you know yeah so you got fired SL have you know yeah so you got fired SL left that job uh and that took you to left that job uh and that took you to left that job uh and that took you to the the job that would be the lowest the the job that would be the lowest the the job that would be the lowest point yeah there was a huge downgrade in point yeah there was a huge downgrade in point yeah there was a huge downgrade in Pay I went from getting like I think at Pay I went from getting like I think at Pay I went from getting like I think at the casino cuz I worked so much overtime the casino cuz I worked so much overtime the casino cuz I worked so much overtime I was getting like 2250 an hour on all I was getting like 2250 an hour on all I was getting like 2250 an hour on all my overtime Fifth and this was back in my overtime Fifth and this was back in my overtime Fifth and this was back in 2008 2009 as like a college student like 2008 2009 as like a college student like 2008 2009 as like a college student like was amazing pay was amazing pay was amazing pay um the I had benefits like everything um the I had benefits like everything um the I had benefits like everything was good and then the carpet cleaning was good and then the carpet cleaning was good and then the carpet cleaning was like I was probably getting my was like I was probably getting my was like I was probably getting my paycheck like every other week was maybe paycheck like every other week was maybe paycheck like every other week was maybe $500 bucks or $1,000 and I'm working $500 bucks or $1,000 and I'm working $500 bucks or $1,000 and I'm working like 13-day stretches like I have every like 13-day stretches like I have every like 13-day stretches like I have every other Sunday off and it's so many hours other Sunday off and it's so many hours other Sunday off and it's so many hours like I have to show up at the shop at like I have to show up at the shop at like I have to show up at the shop at like 700 or 6 and then I go home at like like 700 or 6 and then I go home at like like 700 or 6 and then I go home at like 8 or 9 depending on what my jobs are 8 or 9 depending on what my jobs are 8 or 9 depending on what my jobs are throughout the day you doing uh throughout the day you doing uh throughout the day you doing uh businesses or residential or what are businesses or residential or what are businesses or residential or what are you doing everything everything are you you doing everything everything are you you doing everything everything are you working for a company that is cover working for a company that is cover working for a company that is cover cleaning or you okay so like there's a cleaning or you okay so like there's a cleaning or you okay so like there's a schedule thing you have to go to it and schedule thing you have to go to it and schedule thing you have to go to it and so on yeah B but so like this is why the so on yeah B but so like this is why the so on yeah B but so like this is why the schedule would suck cuz sometimes I'd schedule would suck cuz sometimes I'd schedule would suck cuz sometimes I'd show up at I I think we had to be in the show up at I I think we had to be in the show up at I I think we had to be in the shop at I think it was 7:00 a.m. we show shop at I think it was 7:00 a.m. we show shop at I think it was 7:00 a.m. we show up at the shop at 7:00 a.m. first job up at the shop at 7:00 a.m. first job up at the shop at 7:00 a.m. first job might be at 8 or 9 but that job might be might be at 8 or 9 but that job might be might be at 8 or 9 but that job might be like a 1 hour job so I might show up at like a 1 hour job so I might show up at like a 1 hour job so I might show up at 7: a.m. and have a job from 8:30 to 9:30 7: a.m. and have a job from 8:30 to 9:30 7: a.m. and have a job from 8:30 to 9:30 then my next job might not be from till then my next job might not be from till then my next job might not be from till like say 11:00 so from 8:30 to 9:30 I'll like say 11:00 so from 8:30 to 9:30 I'll like say 11:00 so from 8:30 to 9:30 I'll do one job um and then I've got to job do one job um and then I've got to job do one job um and then I've got to job from like 11: to 12 or something then I

from like 11: to 12 or something then I from like 11: to 12 or something then I might have like a decent job from like might have like a decent job from like might have like a decent job from like 5: to 8 but like my whole day is 5: to 8 but like my whole day is 5: to 8 but like my whole day is destroyed destroyed destroyed and I'm I'm doing like three smallest and I'm I'm doing like three smallest and I'm I'm doing like three smallest jobs so I'm getting like 30 bucks maybe jobs so I'm getting like 30 bucks maybe jobs so I'm getting like 30 bucks maybe for being in the shop or you know on my for being in the shop or you know on my for being in the shop or you know on my job for like 10 or 11 hours and it's job for like 10 or 11 hours and it's job for like 10 or 11 hours and it's just like horrible so you're somebody just like horrible so you're somebody just like horrible so you're somebody that seems to be extremely good at that seems to be extremely good at that seems to be extremely good at thinking and conversation and so have a thinking and conversation and so have a thinking and conversation and so have a bit of an ego perhaps uh in in both the bit of an ego perhaps uh in in both the bit of an ego perhaps uh in in both the negative and the positive sense of that negative and the positive sense of that negative and the positive sense of that word was there some aspect of working on word was there some aspect of working on word was there some aspect of working on McDonald's and then working at the McDonald's and then working at the McDonald's and then working at the casino and working for the um as a casino and working for the um as a casino and working for the um as a carpet cleaner the that was humbling no carpet cleaner the that was humbling no carpet cleaner the that was humbling no never um I had a the ego burned bright never um I had a the ego burned bright never um I had a the ego burned bright through it all the well or no you can through it all the well or no you can through it all the well or no you can push back on the ego yeah no I I push back on the ego yeah no I I push back on the ego yeah no I I understand I totally get what you mean understand I totally get what you mean understand I totally get what you mean um I had a really close friend growing um I had a really close friend growing um I had a really close friend growing up whose name was Chris and I think we up whose name was Chris and I think we up whose name was Chris and I think we probably met when he was we were like probably met when he was we were like probably met when he was we were like four or five I think he lived behind me four or five I think he lived behind me four or five I think he lived behind me and I grew up with him and I'd always and I grew up with him and I'd always and I grew up with him and I'd always been kind of an outsider to the world been kind of an outsider to the world been kind of an outsider to the world that I was in once I got to high school that I was in once I got to high school that I was in once I got to high school for sure um because all of those kids for sure um because all of those kids for sure um because all of those kids were incredibly wealthy you know were incredibly wealthy you know were incredibly wealthy you know Corvettes and must things when they Corvettes and must things when they Corvettes and must things when they turned 16 it was a prep school and I was turned 16 it was a prep school and I was turned 16 it was a prep school and I was doing the they had like a work study doing the they had like a work study doing the they had like a work study program there where you could stay after program there where you could stay after program there where you could stay after school from 2:30 to 5:00 every day to school from 2:30 to 5:00 every day to school from 2:30 to 5:00 every day to kind of like work to pay for your kind of like work to pay for your kind of like work to pay for your tuition so I've been working like tuition so I've been working like tuition so I've been working like throughout all of high school I got throughout all of high school I got throughout all of high school I got another job at McDonald's when I was 18 another job at McDonald's when I was 18 another job at McDonald's when I was 18 worked at the casino like I had always worked at the casino like I had always worked at the casino like I had always been doing that kind of work I never been doing that kind of work I never been doing that kind of work I never really viewed it as like beneath me or really viewed it as like beneath me or really viewed it as like beneath me or anything it's not like I I don't have anything it's not like I I don't have anything it's not like I I don't have like a family of doctors or lawyers or like a family of doctors or lawyers or like a family of doctors or lawyers or anything and then me and my other friend anything and then me and my other friend anything and then me and my other friend the Chris guy we'd always make fun of the Chris guy we'd always make fun of the Chris guy we'd always make fun of everybody else for being kind of like uh

everybody else for being kind of like uh everybody else for being kind of like uh you know like preppy kids and everything you know like preppy kids and everything you know like preppy kids and everything so so there is a there's some pride to so so there is a there's some pride to so so there is a there's some pride to that sort of hard work yeah I guess a that sort of hard work yeah I guess a that sort of hard work yeah I guess a little bit Yeah because yeah looking little bit Yeah because yeah looking little bit Yeah because yeah looking especially my dad like the solution to especially my dad like the solution to especially my dad like the solution to every problem was just throw more hours every problem was just throw more hours every problem was just throw more hours of work at it basically so that was of work at it basically so that was of work at it basically so that was always my yeah goto and I never yeah always my yeah goto and I never yeah always my yeah goto and I never yeah what was psychologically the low point I what was psychologically the low point I what was psychologically the low point I think psychologically the low point was think psychologically the low point was think psychologically the low point was that um as I'm doing this carpet that um as I'm doing this carpet that um as I'm doing this carpet cleaning job uh driving around my city cleaning job uh driving around my city cleaning job uh driving around my city there's like this feeling there's like this feeling there's like this feeling of I guess for a lot of people it's of I guess for a lot of people it's of I guess for a lot of people it's probably college but there's a feeling probably college but there's a feeling probably college but there's a feeling when you're in high school that when you're in high school that when you're in high school that everything is like so exciting and the everything is like so exciting and the everything is like so exciting and the whole world is kind of in front of you whole world is kind of in front of you whole world is kind of in front of you and there are a trillion trillion and there are a trillion trillion and there are a trillion trillion different branching Paths of different branching Paths of different branching Paths of possibilities and you know even through possibilities and you know even through possibilities and you know even through high school you're thinking like am I high school you're thinking like am I high school you're thinking like am I going to be a doctor or a lawyer or can going to be a doctor or a lawyer or can going to be a doctor or a lawyer or can I join the MBA or can I do this or that I join the MBA or can I do this or that I join the MBA or can I do this or that there's all these things in front of you there's all these things in front of you there's all these things in front of you and when I I I especially felt it when I and when I I I especially felt it when I and when I I I especially felt it when I was doing these carbet cleaning jobs and was doing these carbet cleaning jobs and was doing these carbet cleaning jobs and um I think it was in the fall I'd be um I think it was in the fall I'd be um I think it was in the fall I'd be outside some of these houses and I just outside some of these houses and I just outside some of these houses and I just kind of look around and I'd recognize a kind of look around and I'd recognize a kind of look around and I'd recognize a lot of these neighborhoods that i' drive lot of these neighborhoods that i' drive lot of these neighborhoods that i' drive around with friends in or i' you know be around with friends in or i' you know be around with friends in or i' you know be walking through I did I ran cross walking through I did I ran cross walking through I did I ran cross country some of them i' be running country some of them i' be running country some of them i' be running through these neighborhoods and it was through these neighborhoods and it was through these neighborhoods and it was just kind of like this feeling of just kind of like this feeling of just kind of like this feeling of looking around and it was like when I looking around and it was like when I looking around and it was like when I was here in the past this was like kind was here in the past this was like kind was here in the past this was like kind of like a transitionary phase of my life of like a transitionary phase of my life of like a transitionary phase of my life where I'm doing this and it's so fun and where I'm doing this and it's so fun and where I'm doing this and it's so fun and exciting and then I'm going to move on exciting and then I'm going to move on exciting and then I'm going to move on to something else and it's going to be to something else and it's going to be to something else and it's going to be fun and exciting and awesome and then fun and exciting and awesome and then fun and exciting and awesome and then like you know two years later my whole like you know two years later my whole like you know two years later my whole life is collapsed like I'm in a house life is collapsed like I'm in a house life is collapsed like I'm in a house that I can't afford anymore my ex that I that I can't afford anymore my ex that I that I can't afford anymore my ex that I hate is pregnant with my kid and I have

hate is pregnant with my kid and I have hate is pregnant with my kid and I have no money I've got no upward Mobility I no money I've got no upward Mobility I no money I've got no upward Mobility I failed College I my job is horrible like failed College I my job is horrible like failed College I my job is horrible like just every single like this is like my just every single like this is like my just every single like this is like my all of those the the wave function had all of those the the wave function had all of those the the wave function had collaps into one thing and that one collaps into one thing and that one collaps into one thing and that one thing was the worst thing that could thing was the worst thing that could thing was the worst thing that could have possibly been at the time for me have possibly been at the time for me have possibly been at the time for me yeah like everything was gone and yeah like everything was gone and yeah like everything was gone and horrible so yeah that was the feeling I horrible so yeah that was the feeling I horrible so yeah that was the feeling I had at the time do you have a had at the time do you have a had at the time do you have a contemplate suicide I thought about contemplate suicide I thought about contemplate suicide I thought about thinking about it but I've just never thinking about it but I've just never thinking about it but I've just never been that kind of person so I mean been that kind of person so I mean been that kind of person so I mean basically there a way to escape from the basically there a way to escape from the basically there a way to escape from the hardship something that I'm so hardship something that I'm so hardship something that I'm so incredibly lucky I don't know why or how incredibly lucky I don't know why or how incredibly lucky I don't know why or how I'm just going to chalk it up to biology I'm just going to chalk it up to biology I'm just going to chalk it up to biology I've always had really high mental I've always had really high mental I've always had really high mental Baseline like depression and all of that Baseline like depression and all of that Baseline like depression and all of that there have been a few short stins I've there have been a few short stins I've there have been a few short stins I've dealt with it past 30 because I did a dealt with it past 30 because I did a dealt with it past 30 because I did a lot of drugs but um other than that my lot of drugs but um other than that my lot of drugs but um other than that my mental Baseline is just so high and even mental Baseline is just so high and even mental Baseline is just so high and even in the carbet cleaning days um like if in the carbet cleaning days um like if in the carbet cleaning days um like if you man the videos might still be there you man the videos might still be there you man the videos might still be there I think on my old YouTube channel I think on my old YouTube channel I think on my old YouTube channel channel where I'll be like playing channel where I'll be like playing channel where I'll be like playing Starcraft when I first started get into Starcraft when I first started get into Starcraft when I first started get into streaming and I'll be calling up streaming and I'll be calling up streaming and I'll be calling up customers like this is Steve from customers like this is Steve from customers like this is Steve from Guaranteed Clean we had to move your job Guaranteed Clean we had to move your job Guaranteed Clean we had to move your job back 1 hour is it okay if I show up back 1 hour is it okay if I show up back 1 hour is it okay if I show up instead of 2:30 and then I hang up it's instead of 2:30 and then I hang up it's instead of 2:30 and then I hang up it's like all right guys we got three more like all right guys we got three more like all right guys we got three more games and I was like let's go like stuff games and I was like let's go like stuff games and I was like let's go like stuff that so my my Baseline has always been that so my my Baseline has always been that so my my Baseline has always been like really high for mental functioning like really high for mental functioning like really high for mental functioning so even in low Point there's that you so even in low Point there's that you so even in low Point there's that you had strength is there is there anything had strength is there is there anything had strength is there is there anything you can give by way of advice from you can give by way of advice from you can give by way of advice from people that For Whom the wave function people that For Whom the wave function people that For Whom the wave function collapses as it does for many of us like collapses as it does for many of us like collapses as it does for many of us like holy fuck the the world is not full of holy fuck the the world is not full of holy fuck the the world is not full of opportunity and you're kind of a failure opportunity and you're kind of a failure opportunity and you're kind of a failure like I've I've I've been there yeah I like I've I've I've been there yeah I like I've I've I've been there yeah I don't know it's rough because like I don't know it's rough because like I don't know it's rough because like I usually ask for compassion from people usually ask for compassion from people usually ask for compassion from people that have it better off because like

that have it better off because like that have it better off because like once you're down there like the only once you're down there like the only once you're down there like the only reason I say I got lucky but it wasn't reason I say I got lucky but it wasn't reason I say I got lucky but it wasn't even really lucky like or it was lucky even really lucky like or it was lucky even really lucky like or it was lucky but it was more lucky it wasn't just but it was more lucky it wasn't just but it was more lucky it wasn't just lucky that I got into streaming it was lucky that I got into streaming it was lucky that I got into streaming it was lucky that I was into computers at an lucky that I was into computers at an lucky that I was into computers at an early age it was lucky that I played early age it was lucky that I played early age it was lucky that I played video games at an early age it was lucky video games at an early age it was lucky video games at an early age it was lucky that all the tech came up at exactly that all the tech came up at exactly that all the tech came up at exactly that right point in time um like I was a that right point in time um like I was a that right point in time um like I was a pretty smart guy but it was definitely pretty smart guy but it was definitely pretty smart guy but it was definitely uh a preparation means opportunity and uh a preparation means opportunity and uh a preparation means opportunity and that opportunity was like at the exact that opportunity was like at the exact that opportunity was like at the exact precise moment of my life if anything precise moment of my life if anything precise moment of my life if anything had gone differently then I would just had gone differently then I would just had gone differently then I would just PE cleaning carpets today so so in the PE cleaning carpets today so so in the PE cleaning carpets today so so in the many worlds interpretation of quantum many worlds interpretation of quantum many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics this is like one out of like mechanics this is like one out of like mechanics this is like one out of like there's many many Stevens that are just there's many many Stevens that are just there's many many Stevens that are just still carpet cleaning mhm and they're still carpet cleaning mhm and they're still carpet cleaning mhm and they're full of pain and resentment yeah the the full of pain and resentment yeah the the full of pain and resentment yeah the the one piece of advice that I give and I one piece of advice that I give and I one piece of advice that I give and I hate that I have to push back against hate that I have to push back against hate that I have to push back against all these crypto Bros and everybody all these crypto Bros and everybody all these crypto Bros and everybody online for decently intelligent people online for decently intelligent people online for decently intelligent people that are successful I've never heard that are successful I've never heard that are successful I've never heard anybody give a contradiction to this anybody give a contradiction to this anybody give a contradiction to this maybe you will you can tell me if you maybe you will you can tell me if you maybe you will you can tell me if you disagree I always look at kids in high disagree I always look at kids in high disagree I always look at kids in high school and I'm like just try a little school and I'm like just try a little school and I'm like just try a little bit harder like 30 minutes a night if bit harder like 30 minutes a night if bit harder like 30 minutes a night if you don't study just do 30 minutes just you don't study just do 30 minutes just you don't study just do 30 minutes just do a little bit more um it is you are do a little bit more um it is you are do a little bit more um it is you are laying the foundation for the rest of laying the foundation for the rest of laying the foundation for the rest of your life and you can't appreciate it in your life and you can't appreciate it in your life and you can't appreciate it in high school and college but oh my god high school and college but oh my god high school and college but oh my god when you get out everything in your life when you get out everything in your life when you get out everything in your life is so much easier you have probably more is so much easier you have probably more is so much easier you have probably more responsibility over the direction of responsibility over the direction of responsibility over the direction of your life when you're like 13 14 years your life when you're like 13 14 years your life when you're like 13 14 years old than you ever will once you're like old than you ever will once you're like old than you ever will once you're like 25 and older because this is like when 25 and older because this is like when 25 and older because this is like when you're determining the foundations that you're determining the foundations that you're determining the foundations that everything's going to be built on yeah everything's going to be built on yeah everything's going to be built on yeah 100% so first of all it does seem that 100% so first of all it does seem that 100% so first of all it does seem that the liberating aspect of being young is the liberating aspect of being young is the liberating aspect of being young is like anything you learn

like anything you learn like anything you learn so working hard at learning something so working hard at learning something so working hard at learning something will pay off in like nonlinear ways like will pay off in like nonlinear ways like will pay off in like nonlinear ways like you said with the video games I feel you said with the video games I feel you said with the video games I feel like so like people who are like I hate like so like people who are like I hate like so like people who are like I hate school all right well fine but find school all right well fine but find school all right well fine but find something where you're challenging something where you're challenging something where you're challenging yourself you're growing you're learning yourself you're growing you're learning yourself you're growing you're learning you're learning a skill you're learning you're learning a skill you're learning you're learning a skill you're learning about a about a about a thing of course you know you could push thing of course you know you could push thing of course you know you could push back and say well there's some back and say well there's some back and say well there's some trajectories that might not be trajectories that might not be trajectories that might not be productive like if you spend the productive like if you spend the productive like if you spend the entirety of your teen years playing I entirety of your teen years playing I entirety of your teen years playing I don't know League of don't know League of don't know League of Legends game you have love and hate Legends game you have love and hate Legends game you have love and hate relationship with no just a hate and relationship with no just a hate and relationship with no just a hate and hate relationship okay well we'll talk hate relationship okay well we'll talk hate relationship okay well we'll talk about I think you have a LoveHate about I think you have a LoveHate about I think you have a LoveHate relationship with hate in general we'll relationship with hate in general we'll relationship with hate in general we'll just in love okay we we'll try to DEC just in love okay we we'll try to DEC just in love okay we we'll try to DEC complexify that one uh I think in complexify that one uh I think in complexify that one uh I think in general just investing yourself fully general just investing yourself fully general just investing yourself fully with passion it really does pay off but with passion it really does pay off but with passion it really does pay off but that said also that said also that said also school I feel like doesn't get enough school I feel like doesn't get enough school I feel like doesn't get enough credit like High School in particular credit like High School in particular credit like High School in particular middle school and high school because middle school and high school because middle school and high school because it's it's it's education if I I think if if you're education if I I think if if you're education if I I think if if you're especially if you're lucky to have good especially if you're lucky to have good especially if you're lucky to have good teachers but honestly I haven't mostly teachers but honestly I haven't mostly teachers but honestly I haven't mostly the textbooks themselves were good the textbooks themselves were good the textbooks themselves were good teachers it's a one chance in life you teachers it's a one chance in life you teachers it's a one chance in life you have to really explore a subject fuck have to really explore a subject fuck have to really explore a subject fuck grades like getting good grades like getting good grades like getting good grades is at tension I would say with grades is at tension I would say with grades is at tension I would say with actual learning that is true but just actual learning that is true but just actual learning that is true but just get a biology textbook and to explore get a biology textbook and to explore get a biology textbook and to explore ideas in biology and a yourself to be um

ideas in biology and a yourself to be um ideas in biology and a yourself to be um inspired by the beauty of it inspired by the beauty of it inspired by the beauty of it to yeah I don't know I I think that to yeah I don't know I I think that to yeah I don't know I I think that really really really pays off and you really really really pays off and you really really really pays off and you never get a chance to do that again and never get a chance to do that again and never get a chance to do that again and maybe not even textbooks like reading maybe not even textbooks like reading maybe not even textbooks like reading straight up reading I think I think if straight up reading I think I think if straight up reading I think I think if you read this is the one time in life you read this is the one time in life you read this is the one time in life you get a chance to read really read you get a chance to read really read you get a chance to read really read like read a book a day read you you like read a book a day read you you like read a book a day read you you could really invest you can really grow could really invest you can really grow could really invest you can really grow by reading I mean you know mus all those by reading I mean you know mus all those by reading I mean you know mus all those guys talk about it like it's very very guys talk about it like it's very very guys talk about it like it's very very rare that you meet like a dumb person rare that you meet like a dumb person rare that you meet like a dumb person who reads a lot I don't know if that's who reads a lot I don't know if that's who reads a lot I don't know if that's ever happened in my life yeah dumb or ever happened in my life yeah dumb or ever happened in my life yeah dumb or not successful and it's and the cool not successful and it's and the cool not successful and it's and the cool thing is it seems like the reading this thing is it seems like the reading this thing is it seems like the reading this like investment the reading you do early like investment the reading you do early like investment the reading you do early on in high school pays off way more than on in high school pays off way more than on in high school pays off way more than the reading you do later uh so like the the reading you do later uh so like the the reading you do later uh so like the the the really influential reading is uh the the really influential reading is uh the the really influential reading is uh is during those high school years is during those high school years is during those high school years because you're basically learning from because you're basically learning from because you're basically learning from others the mistake they've made the others the mistake they've made the others the mistake they've made the solutions to problems you you're solutions to problems you you're solutions to problems you you're basically learning the shortcuts to life basically learning the shortcuts to life basically learning the shortcuts to life like whatever the hell you want to do like whatever the hell you want to do like whatever the hell you want to do music read from the best people uh that music read from the best people uh that music read from the best people uh that the music theory like learn music theory the music theory like learn music theory the music theory like learn music theory learn uh read biographies about jazz learn uh read biographies about jazz learn uh read biographies about jazz musicians Blues musicians see their like musicians Blues musicians see their like musicians Blues musicians see their like see all the mistakes see what they did see all the mistakes see what they did see all the mistakes see what they did see the shortcuts if you want to do see the shortcuts if you want to do see the shortcuts if you want to do podcasting read about other podcasts if podcasting read about other podcasts if podcasting read about other podcasts if you want to do streaming read about you want to do streaming read about you want to do streaming read about other other streamers physicists and so other other streamers physicists and so other other streamers physicists and so on and I feel like you figure out all on and I feel like you figure out all on and I feel like you figure out all the mistakes and you get to a short the mistakes and you get to a short the mistakes and you get to a short through life because most people show up through life because most people show up through life because most people show up to college without having done that and

to college without having done that and to college without having done that and now you get a chance to shortcut your now you get a chance to shortcut your now you get a chance to shortcut your way past them mhm yeah 100% I'm I'm way past them mhm yeah 100% I'm I'm way past them mhm yeah 100% I'm I'm going but nobody really teaches you that going but nobody really teaches you that going but nobody really teaches you that they're like go to school this from this they're like go to school this from this they're like go to school this from this time to that time that you're shut up time to that time that you're shut up time to that time that you're shut up you this is just what you do eat your you this is just what you do eat your you this is just what you do eat your broccoli I think is like there's two broccoli I think is like there's two broccoli I think is like there's two huge problems one is um Now That I'm huge problems one is um Now That I'm huge problems one is um Now That I'm Older cuz you you know you don't know Older cuz you you know you don't know Older cuz you you know you don't know anything as a kid you can't really anything as a kid you can't really anything as a kid you can't really criticize adults as a kid cuz you're a criticize adults as a kid cuz you're a criticize adults as a kid cuz you're a kid you're agist if I mean I am super kid you're agist if I mean I am super kid you're agist if I mean I am super ages as I get older I get even more ages ages as I get older I get even more ages ages as I get older I get even more ages you there are a lot of people argue like you there are a lot of people argue like you there are a lot of people argue like man dude you're really 22 aren't you I man dude you're really 22 aren't you I man dude you're really 22 aren't you I can tell every word you say there seeps can tell every word you say there seeps can tell every word you say there seeps of like 22 year oldness but that's okay of like 22 year oldness but that's okay of like 22 year oldness but that's okay I love that for you yeah no I could just I love that for you yeah no I could just I love that for you yeah no I could just say cuz you mentioned this so uh your say cuz you mentioned this so uh your say cuz you mentioned this so uh your wife is a fellow streamer Molina you wife is a fellow streamer Molina you wife is a fellow streamer Molina you mentioned that this is a source of mentioned that this is a source of mentioned that this is a source of fights for the two of you that and I fights for the two of you that and I fights for the two of you that and I could just feel that there is truth to could just feel that there is truth to could just feel that there is truth to what you're saying which is like all what you're saying which is like all what you're saying which is like all right you're saying that because you're right you're saying that because you're right you're saying that because you're 22 just wa until you're 25 and you won't 22 just wa until you're 25 and you won't 22 just wa until you're 25 and you won't be saying that anymore now that is the be saying that anymore now that is the be saying that anymore now that is the most annoying thing for people to hear most annoying thing for people to hear most annoying thing for people to hear you can't ever say that of course you can't ever say that of course you can't ever say that of course because it's actually usually true be because it's actually usually true be because it's actually usually true be because we do go through phases in life because we do go through phases in life because we do go through phases in life and you can understand that most things and you can understand that most things and you can understand that most things are phases so just in general you can are phases so just in general you can are phases so just in general you can say just just wait just wait you won't say just just wait just wait you won't say just just wait just wait you won't see this you won't feel this way again I see this you won't feel this way again I see this you won't feel this way again I could say that to you you could say that could say that to you you could say that could say that to you you could say that to yourself just wait whatever you're to yourself just wait whatever you're to yourself just wait whatever you're feeling like just wait in 5 10 Years feeling like just wait in 5 10 Years feeling like just wait in 5 10 Years it'll be a different person and you will it'll be a different person and you will it'll be a different person and you will laugh at the things you take seriously laugh at the things you take seriously laugh at the things you take seriously now that that they're causing you pain

now that that they're causing you pain now that that they're causing you pain now all that kind of stuff but people now all that kind of stuff but people now all that kind of stuff but people hate hearing that anyway absolutely I hate hearing that anyway absolutely I hate hearing that anyway absolutely I think the joke that I always say is that think the joke that I always say is that think the joke that I always say is that like if I could literally step into a like if I could literally step into a like if I could literally step into a time machine and I could come back out time machine and I could come back out time machine and I could come back out and see myself as a 17-year-old and I and see myself as a 17-year-old and I and see myself as a 17-year-old and I could say hey I'm literally you from the could say hey I'm literally you from the could say hey I'm literally you from the future you see the time machine and I future you see the time machine and I future you see the time machine and I would look at me and I would see the would look at me and I would see the would look at me and I would see the time machine and I would give myself the time machine and I would give myself the time machine and I would give myself the best advice in the world to be the most best advice in the world to be the most best advice in the world to be the most successful person I would ignore all of successful person I would ignore all of successful person I would ignore all of it even knowing it came for myself like it even knowing it came for myself like it even knowing it came for myself like this guy sold out this D doesn't know this guy sold out this D doesn't know this guy sold out this D doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about like what the fuck he's talking about like what the fuck he's talking about like nah I'll figure it out better like he nah I'll figure it out better like he nah I'll figure it out better like he must have made some that's what I would must have made some that's what I would must have made some that's what I would think is a 7 even I knew it was myself think is a 7 even I knew it was myself think is a 7 even I knew it was myself from the future I would just 100% never from the future I would just 100% never from the future I would just 100% never believe it and knowing that is very believe it and knowing that is very believe it and knowing that is very frustrating but I keep that in mind when frustrating but I keep that in mind when frustrating but I keep that in mind when I deal with younger people that's why I deal with younger people that's why I deal with younger people that's why like I never I always say on stream when like I never I always say on stream when like I never I always say on stream when I'm talking to like there's been stuff I'm talking to like there's been stuff I'm talking to like there's been stuff with like sneako there's another girl on with like sneako there's another girl on with like sneako there's another girl on my stream called lab like when I see the my stream called lab like when I see the my stream called lab like when I see the way the I see the mistakes they're way the I see the mistakes they're way the I see the mistakes they're making often times because I've made all making often times because I've made all making often times because I've made all of these mistakes sometimes in the most of these mistakes sometimes in the most of these mistakes sometimes in the most public and horrible fashion ever um but public and horrible fashion ever um but public and horrible fashion ever um but I'm never like a mentor I'm not going to I'm never like a mentor I'm not going to I'm never like a mentor I'm not going to sit there and like tell you like oh do sit there and like tell you like oh do sit there and like tell you like oh do this or that or that or that cuz like I this or that or that or that cuz like I this or that or that or that cuz like I don't know if you're going to listen to don't know if you're going to listen to don't know if you're going to listen to me and I don't want to cond you and you me and I don't want to cond you and you me and I don't want to cond you and you know you figure your stuff out I'll be know you figure your stuff out I'll be know you figure your stuff out I'll be here if you want to talk about it but here if you want to talk about it but here if you want to talk about it but yeah I there was a one of the stories yeah I there was a one of the stories yeah I there was a one of the stories there was a company that didn't work there was a company that didn't work there was a company that didn't work with me because I I was very adamant on with me because I I was very adamant on with me because I I was very adamant on defending like very radical Notions defending like very radical Notions defending like very radical Notions about language and racial slurs and about language and racial slurs and about language and racial slurs and everything when I was like 22 or everything when I was like 22 or everything when I was like 22 or whatever and there's a company and they whatever and there's a company and they whatever and there's a company and they said well we don't want to work with said well we don't want to work with said well we don't want to work with this guy for an event and after they had this guy for an event and after they had this guy for an event and after they had said that I written an article on my said that I written an article on my said that I written an article on my website called the company was gigabyte website called the company was gigabyte website called the company was gigabyte they make motherboards I said fuck they make motherboards I said fuck they make motherboards I said fuck gigabyte in the ass that was the title gigabyte in the ass that was the title gigabyte in the ass that was the title to my article and it was like well if to my article and it was like well if to my article and it was like well if they don't want to work with me I'm they don't want to work with me I'm they don't want to work with me I'm going to blow them up and never do going to blow them up and never do going to blow them up and never do anything ever with them again and it was anything ever with them again and it was anything ever with them again and it was just like like looking back on it now just like like looking back on it now just like like looking back on it now obviously as a as an older person like obviously as a as an older person like obviously as a as an older person like hey you need to pump the brakes and hey you need to pump the brakes and hey you need to pump the brakes and chill you're destroying yourself but um

chill you're destroying yourself but um chill you're destroying yourself but um yeah as a young person it's like yeah yeah as a young person it's like yeah yeah as a young person it's like yeah you're 22 of course you think that you you're 22 of course you think that you you're 22 of course you think that you can say whatever and do whatever and as can say whatever and do whatever and as can say whatever and do whatever and as long as you're good at what you're doing long as you're good at what you're doing long as you're good at what you're doing You've Got the Whole World behind you You've Got the Whole World behind you You've Got the Whole World behind you and yeah jeez well let's go there you and yeah jeez well let's go there you and yeah jeez well let's go there you have a history of using offensive have a history of using offensive have a history of using offensive language like the language like the language like the RW the nword including the nword with a RW the nword including the nword with a RW the nword including the nword with a hard R uh calling women hard R uh calling women hard R uh calling women bitches talking about rape in nonchalant bitches talking about rape in nonchalant bitches talking about rape in nonchalant way mhm um what part of that do you way mhm um what part of that do you way mhm um what part of that do you regret and what part of that do you not regret and what part of that do you not regret and what part of that do you not language is very complicated um when it language is very complicated um when it language is very complicated um when it comes to stuff relating to slurs uh comes to stuff relating to slurs uh comes to stuff relating to slurs uh there's been like a whole trajectory of there's been like a whole trajectory of there's been like a whole trajectory of feelings on everything related to feelings on everything related to feelings on everything related to language so I for you personally and for language so I for you personally and for language so I for you personally and for the internet as a whole yeah I don't the internet as a whole yeah I don't the internet as a whole yeah I don't care about the internet almost for me care about the internet almost for me care about the internet almost for me personally um in my early 20s I'll say personally um in my early 20s I'll say personally um in my early 20s I'll say like 22 23 I think probably when I first like 22 23 I think probably when I first like 22 23 I think probably when I first started streaming my feeling is that any started streaming my feeling is that any started streaming my feeling is that any word is just a word and if it hurts you word is just a word and if it hurts you word is just a word and if it hurts you that's your fault take responsibility that's your fault take responsibility that's your fault take responsibility for yourself um this probably came from for yourself um this probably came from for yourself um this probably came from my background of being like a really my background of being like a really my background of being like a really independent person so that's just kind independent person so that's just kind independent person so that's just kind of like the mind that I had for of like the mind that I had for of like the mind that I had for everything and there were basically everything and there were basically everything and there were basically there were like a collection of there were like a collection of there were like a collection of experiences that I had that As I Grew I experiences that I had that As I Grew I experiences that I had that As I Grew I started to realize like okay well I feel started to realize like okay well I feel started to realize like okay well I feel differently about some of these words differently about some of these words differently about some of these words depending on the context and I can see depending on the context and I can see depending on the context and I can see how they can affect other people how they can affect other people how they can affect other people depending on the context so as I've kind depending on the context so as I've kind depending on the context so as I've kind of like grown I think I've developed a of like grown I think I've developed a of like grown I think I've developed a more sophisticated understanding of how more sophisticated understanding of how more sophisticated understanding of how different words are used and how they different words are used and how they different words are used and how they affect people whether they like it or affect people whether they like it or affect people whether they like it or not and more importantly whether I like not and more importantly whether I like not and more importantly whether I like it or not and that words can even if I it or not and that words can even if I it or not and that words can even if I don't want it to be they can be a

don't want it to be they can be a don't want it to be they can be a vehicle for emboldening certain types of vehicle for emboldening certain types of vehicle for emboldening certain types of ideas that I don't want to embolden and ideas that I don't want to embolden and ideas that I don't want to embolden and yeah that's kind of been the whole like yeah that's kind of been the whole like yeah that's kind of been the whole like growth I've been lucky that in the time growth I've been lucky that in the time growth I've been lucky that in the time that I came up on the internet I was that I came up on the internet I was that I came up on the internet I was able to learn these lessons because if I able to learn these lessons because if I able to learn these lessons because if I was trying to learn those same lessons was trying to learn those same lessons was trying to learn those same lessons today I would have been completely today I would have been completely today I would have been completely destroyed because I had insane views on destroyed because I had insane views on destroyed because I had insane views on language like 10 years ago we could talk language like 10 years ago we could talk language like 10 years ago we could talk about the past we could talk about the about the past we could talk about the about the past we could talk about the present let's talk about the past first present let's talk about the past first present let's talk about the past first so how do you deal with the fact that so how do you deal with the fact that so how do you deal with the fact that there's videos of you in the past saying there's videos of you in the past saying there's videos of you in the past saying the nword including the nword with a the nword including the nword with a the nword including the nword with a hard R so generally and what's the hard R so generally and what's the hard R so generally and what's the context can you give me like in your context can you give me like in your context can you give me like in your memory what what would be the context memory what what would be the context memory what what would be the context usually when I lay out this defense it's usually when I lay out this defense it's usually when I lay out this defense it's not because I wouldn't have used the not because I wouldn't have used the not because I wouldn't have used the nword um generally whenever I said the nword um generally whenever I said the nword um generally whenever I said the NW it was usually an example of like NW it was usually an example of like NW it was usually an example of like this is something that like a racist this is something that like a racist this is something that like a racist person would say I don't think I've ever person would say I don't think I've ever person would say I don't think I've ever on the internet I don't think I've ever on the internet I don't think I've ever on the internet I don't think I've ever called anybody like the NW with a hard R called anybody like the NW with a hard R called anybody like the NW with a hard R um not because I wouldn't have but just um not because I wouldn't have but just um not because I wouldn't have but just because it wasn't in my vocabulary I because it wasn't in my vocabulary I because it wasn't in my vocabulary I played uh RTS real time strategy and we played uh RTS real time strategy and we played uh RTS real time strategy and we use the the F slur for gay people that's use the the F slur for gay people that's use the the F slur for gay people that's the one and I use that one a ton and the one and I use that one a ton and the one and I use that one a ton and I've called people that a ton in the I've called people that a ton in the I've called people that a ton in the past um so I should actually just as a past um so I should actually just as a past um so I should actually just as a small tangent yeah go for it and this is small tangent yeah go for it and this is small tangent yeah go for it and this is what I'd like to explore with you mhm what I'd like to explore with you mhm what I'd like to explore with you mhm there's a ruthlessness to the language there's a ruthlessness to the language there's a ruthlessness to the language in uh the gaming world and there's in uh the gaming world and there's in uh the gaming world and there's different communities they have different communities they have different communities they have different flavors of language of hate different flavors of language of hate different flavors of language of hate speech essentially and and uh there's speech essentially and and uh there's speech essentially and and uh there's also a humor to it also a humor to it also a humor to it mhm mhm mhm which really bothers me in a dark way

which really bothers me in a dark way which really bothers me in a dark way that I haven't been able to really think that I haven't been able to really think that I haven't been able to really think through because humor seems to be a kind through because humor seems to be a kind through because humor seems to be a kind of catalyst for hate it seems to of catalyst for hate it seems to of catalyst for hate it seems to normalize hate like uh you say basically normalize hate like uh you say basically normalize hate like uh you say basically it's like Louis C K says a lot of edgy it's like Louis C K says a lot of edgy it's like Louis C K says a lot of edgy things MH but you take something Louis C things MH but you take something Louis C things MH but you take something Louis C K says and do it in a non-funny way and K says and do it in a non-funny way and K says and do it in a non-funny way and do it over and over and over and keep uh do it over and over and over and keep uh do it over and over and over and keep uh increasing the hatefulness of it the increasing the hatefulness of it the increasing the hatefulness of it the vitrio and somehow you find yourself vitrio and somehow you find yourself vitrio and somehow you find yourself like Alice and Wonderland in a world like Alice and Wonderland in a world like Alice and Wonderland in a world full of hate where there is no good and full of hate where there is no good and full of hate where there is no good and evil it's all the same in fact the good evil it's all the same in fact the good evil it's all the same in fact the good is to be mocked and the evil is to be is to be mocked and the evil is to be is to be mocked and the evil is to be celebrated for the humor of it basically celebrated for the humor of it basically celebrated for the humor of it basically not taking the ideas of evil seriously not taking the ideas of evil seriously not taking the ideas of evil seriously and I don't know what it it reveals and I don't know what it it reveals and I don't know what it it reveals something about human nature that you something about human nature that you something about human nature that you can let go the moral relativism that can can let go the moral relativism that can can let go the moral relativism that can happen when you do that kind of stuff at happen when you do that kind of stuff at happen when you do that kind of stuff at the same time I'm a fan of dark the same time I'm a fan of dark the same time I'm a fan of dark humor when done well anyway for people humor when done well anyway for people humor when done well anyway for people who are not familiar I just wanted to who are not familiar I just wanted to who are not familiar I just wanted to mention that some of the mention that some of the mention that some of the worst hate speech that ends in LOL worst hate speech that ends in LOL worst hate speech that ends in LOL happens in gaming communities yeah the happens in gaming communities yeah the happens in gaming communities yeah the um and that's where you come from in um and that's where you come from in um and that's where you come from in certain part so a lot of people don't certain part so a lot of people don't certain part so a lot of people don't remember this or don't know this cuz remember this or don't know this cuz remember this or don't know this cuz they're younger but way back in the day they're younger but way back in the day they're younger but way back in the day in the uh late '90s early mid 2000s the in the uh late '90s early mid 2000s the in the uh late '90s early mid 2000s the internet the way that online kind of internet the way that online kind of internet the way that online kind of like shit talk worked was you were just like shit talk worked was you were just like shit talk worked was you were just trying to ramp up to the most insanely trying to ramp up to the most insanely trying to ramp up to the most insanely edgy crazy stuff you could say to like

edgy crazy stuff you could say to like edgy crazy stuff you could say to like provoke a reaction um have you ever provoke a reaction um have you ever provoke a reaction um have you ever heard of something called The heard of something called The heard of something called The Aristocrats that it's like a joke the Aristocrats that it's like a joke the Aristocrats that it's like a joke the joke oh yeah the joke yeah there's a joke oh yeah the joke yeah there's a joke oh yeah the joke yeah there's a movie on it yeah okay basically every movie on it yeah okay basically every movie on it yeah okay basically every single like shit talk back and forth on single like shit talk back and forth on single like shit talk back and forth on the internet was like that like what is the internet was like that like what is the internet was like that like what is the most increasingly depraved and back the most increasingly depraved and back the most increasingly depraved and back then you didn't get banned for slurs or then you didn't get banned for slurs or then you didn't get banned for slurs or anything on any of these chat rooms so anything on any of these chat rooms so anything on any of these chat rooms so it was just like an insane world to walk it was just like an insane world to walk it was just like an insane world to walk in into and I was fully 100% a part of a in into and I was fully 100% a part of a in into and I was fully 100% a part of a product of and a contributor to that product of and a contributor to that product of and a contributor to that world so that probably still goes on on world so that probably still goes on on world so that probably still goes on on the internet in some way and that the internet in some way and that the internet in some way and that probably still goes on in the internet probably still goes on in the internet probably still goes on in the internet in a maybe more pacified way only in in a maybe more pacified way only in in a maybe more pacified way only in darker parts of the internet I'd say for darker parts of the internet I'd say for darker parts of the internet I'd say for the most part most well compared to back the most part most well compared to back the most part most well compared to back then compared to 20 years ago the then compared to 20 years ago the then compared to 20 years ago the internet is way cleaned up now there are internet is way cleaned up now there are internet is way cleaned up now there are still going to be boards you can go on still going to be boards you can go on still going to be boards you can go on or parts of the internet where you see or parts of the internet where you see or parts of the internet where you see that type of humor but not nowhere near that type of humor but not nowhere near that type of humor but not nowhere near as mainstream like back then you could as mainstream like back then you could as mainstream like back then you could open your mic on Xbox Live and hear some open your mic on Xbox Live and hear some open your mic on Xbox Live and hear some insane stuff when that first started insane stuff when that first started insane stuff when that first started nowhere near what you'd hear today nowhere near what you'd hear today nowhere near what you'd hear today although yeah but there's still elements although yeah but there's still elements although yeah but there's still elements of escalation that happen that just of escalation that happen that just of escalation that happen that just seems to be part of human nature on the seems to be part of human nature on the seems to be part of human nature on the internet the because we don't get the internet the because we don't get the internet the because we don't get the feedback of actually hurting people feedback of actually hurting people feedback of actually hurting people directly so the the the trolling like directly so the the the trolling like directly so the the the trolling like for the ls you you'll do like what like for the ls you you'll do like what like for the ls you you'll do like what like you will still escalate within the you will still escalate within the you will still escalate within the bounds you're just saying that there's bounds you're just saying that there's bounds you're just saying that there's more bounds now on Reddit there's more more bounds now on Reddit there's more more bounds now on Reddit there's more bounds and so on so the you know there's bounds and so on so the you know there's bounds and so on so the you know there's moderators that kind of yell at you that moderators that kind of yell at you that moderators that kind of yell at you that ban you and so on if you cross those ban you and so on if you cross those ban you and so on if you cross those bounds but overall that basic human bounds but overall that basic human bounds but overall that basic human instinct to escalate uh especially under instinct to escalate uh especially under instinct to escalate uh especially under the veil of anonymity is still there I the veil of anonymity is still there I the veil of anonymity is still there I don't know it's dark it's dark yeah just

don't know it's dark it's dark yeah just don't know it's dark it's dark yeah just there's a lot of different ways to look there's a lot of different ways to look there's a lot of different ways to look at it and there's different ways you can at it and there's different ways you can at it and there's different ways you can break that art like for instance like break that art like for instance like break that art like for instance like you mentioned dark humor and you say you mentioned dark humor and you say you mentioned dark humor and you say that like uh sometimes dark humor is that like uh sometimes dark humor is that like uh sometimes dark humor is funny and sometimes it's not I think funny and sometimes it's not I think funny and sometimes it's not I think that it's really important to dig into that it's really important to dig into that it's really important to dig into and figure out like why certain things and figure out like why certain things and figure out like why certain things are funny Give an example yeah go it's are funny Give an example yeah go it's are funny Give an example yeah go it's from your subreddit oh boy no that made from your subreddit oh boy no that made from your subreddit oh boy no that made me laugh and and I felt wrong about it me laugh and and I felt wrong about it me laugh and and I felt wrong about it oh no so this is uh I I already know oh no so this is uh I I already know oh no so this is uh I I already know what this is yeah yeah so this is a what this is yeah yeah so this is a what this is yeah yeah so this is a trolley problem to me it connects trolley problem to me it connects trolley problem to me it connects because I I think about the it keeps because I I think about the it keeps because I I think about the it keeps because I worked on autonomous vehicles because I worked on autonomous vehicles because I worked on autonomous vehicles the trolley problem the philosophical the trolley problem the philosophical the trolley problem the philosophical thought experiment keeps brought up a thought experiment keeps brought up a thought experiment keeps brought up a lot you know when AI is part of making lot you know when AI is part of making lot you know when AI is part of making the decision do I kill three people here the decision do I kill three people here the decision do I kill three people here or five people here then thei makes that or five people here then thei makes that or five people here then thei makes that decision how do you do that calculus and decision how do you do that calculus and decision how do you do that calculus and this this particular there's um this this particular there's um this this particular there's um there's a deep so it's satire that there's a deep so it's satire that there's a deep so it's satire that reveals some kind of flaw in society I reveals some kind of flaw in society I reveals some kind of flaw in society I feel like that's what that's what dark feel like that's what that's what dark feel like that's what that's what dark humor does successful dark humor does humor does successful dark humor does humor does successful dark humor does and I don't know flaw H I feel like and I don't know flaw H I feel like and I don't know flaw H I feel like certain there's a certain brand of dark certain there's a certain brand of dark certain there's a certain brand of dark humor and I think the reason I think the humor and I think the reason I think the humor and I think the reason I think the reason is why it's good or or or why it reason is why it's good or or or why it reason is why it's good or or or why it is good humor I think is because it I is good humor I think is because it I is good humor I think is because it I don't think it necessarily reveals a don't think it necessarily reveals a don't think it necessarily reveals a flaw sometimes I feel like it reveals flaw sometimes I feel like it reveals flaw sometimes I feel like it reveals like a kind of virtue I think like if like a kind of virtue I think like if like a kind of virtue I think like if you look at this particular thing yeah you look at this particular thing yeah you look at this particular thing yeah can I explain what we're go for it we're can I explain what we're go for it we're can I explain what we're go for it we're just listening just listening just listening uh the title of the red post is you know uh the title of the red post is you know uh the title of the red post is you know what to pick uh and it says uh five what to pick uh and it says uh five what to pick uh and it says uh five people are going to die either way but people are going to die either way but people are going to die either way but if you flip the lever the trolley will

if you flip the lever the trolley will if you flip the lever the trolley will do a sick fucking Loop first and also do a sick fucking Loop first and also do a sick fucking Loop first and also the top the top the top comment is a question saying which I comment is a question saying which I comment is a question saying which I think is also part of the doc humor think is also part of the doc humor think is also part of the doc humor that's successful can I get the gender that's successful can I get the gender that's successful can I get the gender and ethnic backgrounds of the groups and ethnic backgrounds of the groups and ethnic backgrounds of the groups first and the top answer is both groups first and the top answer is both groups first and the top answer is both groups are each comprised of five white are each comprised of five white are each comprised of five white orphaned CIS orphaned CIS orphaned CIS male heavy meth users who are male heavy meth users who are male heavy meth users who are consistently in and out of drug rehab consistently in and out of drug rehab consistently in and out of drug rehab all who identifies as right-wing all who identifies as right-wing all who identifies as right-wing extremists humor is so it's such a extremists humor is so it's such a extremists humor is so it's such a sophisticated thing that we engage in sophisticated thing that we engage in sophisticated thing that we engage in humor is like really complicated um but humor is like really complicated um but humor is like really complicated um but I would argue that like hopefully the I would argue that like hopefully the I would argue that like hopefully the humor here shows the virtue of like this humor here shows the virtue of like this humor here shows the virtue of like this is obviously horrible but that's kind of is obviously horrible but that's kind of is obviously horrible but that's kind of why it's funny it's funny because it's why it's funny it's funny because it's why it's funny it's funny because it's such a horrible question to ask like do such a horrible question to ask like do such a horrible question to ask like do we kill five people in a boring way or we kill five people in a boring way or we kill five people in a boring way or in a really ENT any way and it's like in a really ENT any way and it's like in a really ENT any way and it's like that's really that's really and then that's really that's really and then that's really that's really and then when you ask even more like what are the when you ask even more like what are the when you ask even more like what are the ethnic backgrounds it's like that's even ethnic backgrounds it's like that's even ethnic backgrounds it's like that's even worse to say that you know so I feel worse to say that you know so I feel worse to say that you know so I feel like that's like the type of there's a like that's like the type of there's a like that's like the type of there's a way that you can engage with dark humor way that you can engage with dark humor way that you can engage with dark humor where it's like oof like it's funny where it's like oof like it's funny where it's like oof like it's funny because it's so wrong and so taboo and because it's so wrong and so taboo and because it's so wrong and so taboo and we all know that it's wrong and taboo we all know that it's wrong and taboo we all know that it's wrong and taboo and that's kind of where the shared and that's kind of where the shared and that's kind of where the shared laugh comes from so for me the question laugh comes from so for me the question laugh comes from so for me the question that asking the the diversity question that asking the the diversity question that asking the the diversity question is a sophisticated way of revealing the is a sophisticated way of revealing the is a sophisticated way of revealing the absurdity of asking about diversity when absurdity of asking about diversity when absurdity of asking about diversity when it's talking about human life oh it's talking about human life oh it's talking about human life oh interesting cuz the way that I took that interesting cuz the way that I took that interesting cuz the way that I took that was I think it reveals the absurdity of was I think it reveals the absurdity of was I think it reveals the absurdity of how people will weigh different ethnic how people will weigh different ethnic how people will weigh different ethnic backgrounds so differently when it comes backgrounds so differently when it comes backgrounds so differently when it comes to value of human life like I'm actually to value of human life like I'm actually to value of human life like I'm actually thinking of that in terms of like a an thinking of that in terms of like a an thinking of that in terms of like a an immigration related question where immigration related question where immigration related question where people are really keen and quick to

people are really keen and quick to people are really keen and quick to dehumanize like black or brown people so dehumanize like black or brown people so dehumanize like black or brown people so like the question is like well if five like the question is like well if five like the question is like well if five of them are brown and five are white of them are brown and five are white of them are brown and five are white well I know which one I'm going to you well I know which one I'm going to you well I know which one I'm going to you know pull the lever for that's how I know pull the lever for that's how I know pull the lever for that's how I read that but it's sterzing that aspect read that but it's sterzing that aspect read that but it's sterzing that aspect yeah exactly yes of course yeah but that yeah exactly yes of course yeah but that yeah exactly yes of course yeah but that that's what I mean that that's the flaw that's what I mean that that's the flaw that's what I mean that that's the flaw to me at least it showed that Humanity to me at least it showed that Humanity to me at least it showed that Humanity or social networks that are easy to be or social networks that are easy to be or social networks that are easy to be outraged and love the outrage and the outraged and love the outrage and the outraged and love the outrage and the chaos that Twitter and social networks chaos that Twitter and social networks chaos that Twitter and social networks will pull that lever MH like they would will pull that lever MH like they would will pull that lever MH like they would they would always try to maximize the they would always try to maximize the they would always try to maximize the fun and there's like a there's a sick fun and there's like a there's a sick fun and there's like a there's a sick aspect to all the atrocities all the aspect to all the atrocities all the aspect to all the atrocities all the tragedies that happen in the world that tragedies that happen in the world that tragedies that happen in the world that we kind of always lean towards the um we kind of always lean towards the um we kind of always lean towards the um the outrageous narrative weaved around the outrageous narrative weaved around the outrageous narrative weaved around it the it the it the yeah the the one that leads to to sort yeah the the one that leads to to sort yeah the the one that leads to to sort of the most clicks to the most uh of the most clicks to the most uh of the most clicks to the most uh attention to the most outrage to all attention to the most outrage to all attention to the most outrage to all that all that kind of so that that's that all that kind of so that that's that all that kind of so that that's almost like a a satire of society when almost like a a satire of society when almost like a a satire of society when they are faced with tragedy they will they are faced with tragedy they will they are faced with tragedy they will maximize trying to think of a word maximize trying to think of a word maximize trying to think of a word that's not fun but entertainment that's not fun but entertainment that's not fun but entertainment maximize the entertainment yeah this is maximize the entertainment yeah this is maximize the entertainment yeah this is a big criticism I give especially to a big criticism I give especially to a big criticism I give especially to conservative crowds um you know left conservative crowds um you know left conservative crowds um you know left laning people everybody doesn't I don't laning people everybody doesn't I don't laning people everybody doesn't I don't like when people blame the media for the like when people blame the media for the like when people blame the media for the state of the media today I very much state of the media today I very much state of the media today I very much believe that everything in society is a believe that everything in society is a believe that everything in society is a feedback loop and that if you're really feedback loop and that if you're really feedback loop and that if you're really unhappy with the state of the media I unhappy with the state of the media I unhappy with the state of the media I think that the media is a good think that the media is a good think that the media is a good reflection for what people want to see reflection for what people want to see reflection for what people want to see because there is a room right now in the

because there is a room right now in the because there is a room right now in the United States where somebody could start United States where somebody could start United States where somebody could start a company where all they do is a company where all they do is a company where all they do is completely factual reporting they don't completely factual reporting they don't completely factual reporting they don't have a political slant and they're not have a political slant and they're not have a political slant and they're not giving you these like sensationalist giving you these like sensationalist giving you these like sensationalist narratives or stories and that Media narratives or stories and that Media narratives or stories and that Media Company would fail in two weeks because Company would fail in two weeks because Company would fail in two weeks because people don't want to see that generally people don't want to see that generally people don't want to see that generally people really want to see the like show people really want to see the like show people really want to see the like show me the guy that really believes in what me the guy that really believes in what me the guy that really believes in what I say that calls the other guy an idiot I say that calls the other guy an idiot I say that calls the other guy an idiot the guy that are screaming on TV or on the guy that are screaming on TV or on the guy that are screaming on TV or on the radio like this is what I really the radio like this is what I really the radio like this is what I really want um and people will engage in that want um and people will engage in that want um and people will engage in that and that feedback loop will continue for and that feedback loop will continue for and that feedback loop will continue for generations and then all of a sudden generations and then all of a sudden generations and then all of a sudden people like why is the media so biased people like why is the media so biased people like why is the media so biased why is the media driving so many why is the media driving so many why is the media driving so many narratives it's like what do you mean narratives it's like what do you mean narratives it's like what do you mean this is exactly what you want to see and this is exactly what you want to see and this is exactly what you want to see and that's that's frustrating for me that's that's that's frustrating for me that's that's that's frustrating for me that's one of my big kind of when I defend one of my big kind of when I defend one of my big kind of when I defend establishments or when I talk about like establishments or when I talk about like establishments or when I talk about like the interplay between Citizen and and the interplay between Citizen and and the interplay between Citizen and and all these institutions we have that the all these institutions we have that the all these institutions we have that the institutions are very much a reflection institutions are very much a reflection institutions are very much a reflection of the population at least in Democratic of the population at least in Democratic of the population at least in Democratic societies and I think people very much societies and I think people very much societies and I think people very much try to elude the personal responsibility try to elude the personal responsibility try to elude the personal responsibility or the country's responsibility to why or the country's responsibility to why or the country's responsibility to why some of them look the way that they some of them look the way that they some of them look the way that they do but that takes us back to the nword do but that takes us back to the nword do but that takes us back to the nword with a hard R sure why for the with a hard R sure why for the with a hard R sure why for the particular examples that I was giving particular examples that I was giving particular examples that I was giving for the particular conversations that I for the particular conversations that I for the particular conversations that I was having if you're going to have was having if you're going to have was having if you're going to have challenging conversations around certain challenging conversations around certain challenging conversations around certain words I think you should probably be words I think you should probably be words I think you should probably be able to say them otherwise it feels able to say them otherwise it feels able to say them otherwise it feels really ridiculous to me that's like do really ridiculous to me that's like do really ridiculous to me that's like do you still believe that um for yes and you still believe that um for yes and you still believe that um for yes and not like calling people those words but not like calling people those words but not like calling people those words but in having conversations about those in having conversations about those in having conversations about those words I would say that I still believe words I would say that I still believe words I would say that I still believe that yeah but don't you think as you that yeah but don't you think as you that yeah but don't you think as you said that using those said that using those said that using those words actually gives motivation and words actually gives motivation and words actually gives motivation and strength to people who have hate in strength to people who have hate in strength to people who have hate in their hearts I think depending on the

their hearts I think depending on the their hearts I think depending on the context of what's going on um I think context of what's going on um I think context of what's going on um I think that that's going to be a big driver in that that's going to be a big driver in that that's going to be a big driver in terms of how people are going to terms of how people are going to terms of how people are going to perceive or take it so in a conversation perceive or take it so in a conversation perceive or take it so in a conversation about the n-word I don't think I would about the n-word I don't think I would about the n-word I don't think I would normally say the N word we would just normally say the N word we would just normally say the N word we would just talk about the word much the same way talk about the word much the same way talk about the word much the same way that like in um like say like in a movie that like in um like say like in a movie that like in um like say like in a movie like in Jango people use the nword like in Jango people use the nword like in Jango people use the nword should that be censored in that movie or should that be censored in that movie or should that be censored in that movie or in the context of that movie is it being in the context of that movie is it being in the context of that movie is it being employed in a way where these aren't employed in a way where these aren't employed in a way where these aren't good people you're not supposed to like good people you're not supposed to like good people you're not supposed to like them and that's what the audience walks them and that's what the audience walks them and that's what the audience walks away with yeah but that context is away with yeah but that context is away with yeah but that context is different than conversation it feels different than conversation it feels different than conversation it feels like in like in like in conversation you using that word conversation you using that word conversation you using that word normalizes it and that normalizing that normalizes it and that normalizing that normalizes it and that normalizing that word is going to make it easier for word is going to make it easier for word is going to make it easier for people who use that word in a hateful people who use that word in a hateful people who use that word in a hateful way to use it same with the FW the the F way to use it same with the FW the the F way to use it same with the FW the the F slur if you use that slur if you use that slur if you use that casually and normalize it in a way casually and normalize it in a way casually and normalize it in a way that's not hateful you use it in a way that's not hateful you use it in a way that's not hateful you use it in a way that's not hateful but you the side that's not hateful but you the side that's not hateful but you the side effect is that it normalizes it then effect is that it normalizes it then effect is that it normalizes it then people who do use it in a hateful way people who do use it in a hateful way people who do use it in a hateful way will be more likely to use it will be more likely to use it will be more likely to use it therefore mathematically looking at the therefore mathematically looking at the therefore mathematically looking at the equation of the number of times the equation of the number of times the equation of the number of times the nword or the FW is used throughout the nword or the FW is used throughout the nword or the FW is used throughout the world it increases the number of times world it increases the number of times world it increases the number of times it's used in a hateful way yeah I think it's used in a hateful way yeah I think it's used in a hateful way yeah I think that human being and you're part of that that human being and you're part of that that human being and you're part of that problem Stephen don't I don't agree I problem Stephen don't I don't agree I problem Stephen don't I don't agree I understand I understand the thought understand I understand the thought understand I understand the thought process um but I don't know if using process um but I don't know if using process um but I don't know if using certain words within different contexts certain words within different contexts certain words within different contexts is going to necessarily normalize like is going to necessarily normalize like is going to necessarily normalize like the hateful use of that word um that is the hateful use of that word um that is the hateful use of that word um that is an argument that I've heard people use

an argument that I've heard people use an argument that I've heard people use somebody will say like okay well hold on somebody will say like okay well hold on somebody will say like okay well hold on that should never be used ever because that should never be used ever because that should never be used ever because by virtue of you normalizing it even in by virtue of you normalizing it even in by virtue of you normalizing it even in an inoffensive environment you increase an inoffensive environment you increase an inoffensive environment you increase the proclivity for people to use it in a the proclivity for people to use it in a the proclivity for people to use it in a potentially more offensive environment potentially more offensive environment potentially more offensive environment and my argument is always that like no I and my argument is always that like no I and my argument is always that like no I don't think that crossover exists but if don't think that crossover exists but if don't think that crossover exists but if you did want to take that argument and you did want to take that argument and you did want to take that argument and maybe you do feel this way I think that maybe you do feel this way I think that maybe you do feel this way I think that you get really problematic when you run you get really problematic when you run you get really problematic when you run into communities that do use certain into communities that do use certain into communities that do use certain words that people would say well they words that people would say well they words that people would say well they should be allowed to do it so for should be allowed to do it so for should be allowed to do it so for instance if you think that any utterance instance if you think that any utterance instance if you think that any utterance of the nword at all is highly of the nword at all is highly of the nword at all is highly problematic and might increase hatred problematic and might increase hatred problematic and might increase hatred then like the entire rap industry has to then like the entire rap industry has to then like the entire rap industry has to dramatically change the way that they dramatically change the way that they dramatically change the way that they engage with the n-word and obviously a engage with the n-word and obviously a engage with the n-word and obviously a lot of people that criticize people's lot of people that criticize people's lot of people that criticize people's use of the nword are going to turn to use of the nword are going to turn to use of the nword are going to turn to rppers and say well you guys can't say rppers and say well you guys can't say rppers and say well you guys can't say it either no it's who I mean it's who it either no it's who I mean it's who it either no it's who I mean it's who uses the nword that's what it's not so uses the nword that's what it's not so uses the nword that's what it's not so it's not just the word it's it's not just the word it's it's not just the word it's the it it it is context dependent uh but the it it it is context dependent uh but the it it it is context dependent uh but I would say that you as a white person I would say that you as a white person I would say that you as a white person having having having conversations the context there is the conversations the context there is the conversations the context there is the kind that would lead to any increase in kind that would lead to any increase in kind that would lead to any increase in hate do you think the nword should be hate do you think the nword should be hate do you think the nword should be censored in the dictionary no and I censored in the dictionary no and I censored in the dictionary no and I believe there's a Wikipedia page on it believe there's a Wikipedia page on it believe there's a Wikipedia page on it and it's not censored uh yeah I don't I and it's not censored uh yeah I don't I and it's not censored uh yeah I don't I think it should be in the dictionary I think it should be in the dictionary I think it should be in the dictionary I think the context of casual think the context of casual think the context of casual conversation like like I said I just conversation like like I said I just conversation like like I said I just believe that on the believe that on the believe that on the internet having humor having fun internet having humor having fun internet having humor having fun conversations as you have on your conversations as you have on your conversations as you have on your streams that leads to the normalization streams that leads to the normalization streams that leads to the normalization of the word without any educational of the word without any educational of the word without any educational value without I think I would I think I value without I think I would I think I value without I think I would I think I would agree with that no sorry so would agree with that no sorry so would agree with that no sorry so there's a difference between F slur and

there's a difference between F slur and there's a difference between F slur and nword and both I think should not be nword and both I think should not be nword and both I think should not be used in a fun way but the FW was used in used in a fun way but the FW was used in used in a fun way but the FW was used in a fun way for a longest time for sure a fun way for a longest time for sure a fun way for a longest time for sure and I I I'll tell you something that and I I I'll tell you something that and I I I'll tell you something that bothers me about your streams now your bothers me about your streams now your bothers me about your streams now your your streams in basically every other your streams in basically every other your streams in basically every other stream is the the Casual use of the RW stream is the the Casual use of the RW stream is the the Casual use of the RW oh the ableism yeah I don't know if it's oh the ableism yeah I don't know if it's oh the ableism yeah I don't know if it's about the abble I don't even know listen about the abble I don't even know listen about the abble I don't even know listen it's complicated I'm not like virtue it's complicated I'm not like virtue it's complicated I'm not like virtue signaling here ableism isn't virtue signaling here ableism isn't virtue signaling here ableism isn't virtue signal I mean it's a legitimate yeah signal I mean it's a legitimate yeah signal I mean it's a legitimate yeah like I get emails from fans that say like I get emails from fans that say like I get emails from fans that say like hey like I deal with this like hey like I deal with this like hey like I deal with this particular issue every time you use this particular issue every time you use this particular issue every time you use this word it kind of feels like you're word it kind of feels like you're word it kind of feels like you're attacking me like just like so it's not attacking me like just like so it's not attacking me like just like so it's not it's a valid concept yeah it's just it's a valid concept yeah it's just it's a valid concept yeah it's just something Cuts wrong for me m like for something Cuts wrong for me m like for something Cuts wrong for me m like for for example I'm not bothered by I am for example I'm not bothered by I am for example I'm not bothered by I am bothered by the excessive use of the bothered by the excessive use of the bothered by the excessive use of the word fuck okay but not in the same way word fuck okay but not in the same way word fuck okay but not in the same way that moderate use of the word fuck what that moderate use of the word fuck what that moderate use of the word fuck what is it I'm curious in when somebody calls is it I'm curious in when somebody calls is it I'm curious in when somebody calls somebody an RW what is it that what is somebody an RW what is it that what is somebody an RW what is it that what is the feeling that you get that makes you the feeling that you get that makes you the feeling that you get that makes you feel bad about feel bad about feel bad about it it signals to me that you it it signals to me that you it it signals to me that you don't give a damn about people who are struggling in way about people who are struggling in way that you are not struggling like that that you are not struggling like that that you are not struggling like that that signals to me like um about the that signals to me like um about the that signals to me like um about the experience of others do you think that experience of others do you think that experience of others do you think that there are there other words also that there are there other words also that there are there other words also that could convey like a similar feeling to could convey like a similar feeling to could convey like a similar feeling to you or why because it feels like you've you or why because it feels like you've you or why because it feels like you've drawn a pretty special circle around cuz drawn a pretty special circle around cuz drawn a pretty special circle around cuz like I imagine I call oh this guy's like I imagine I call oh this guy's like I imagine I call oh this guy's you're an uneducated dumb fucker you're

you're an uneducated dumb fucker you're you're an uneducated dumb fucker you're a nit wicker like those wordsa don't a nit wicker like those wordsa don't a nit wicker like those wordsa don't feel it that Circle keeps changing which feel it that Circle keeps changing which feel it that Circle keeps changing which you can which is fine it does and I I you can which is fine it does and I I you can which is fine it does and I I think that's what the the whole point think that's what the the whole point think that's what the the whole point with the culture so I'm trying to feel with the culture so I'm trying to feel with the culture so I'm trying to feel my feeling is a kind of uh you know I'm my feeling is a kind of uh you know I'm my feeling is a kind of uh you know I'm a human being that exists in a social a human being that exists in a social a human being that exists in a social context that we're all evolving that context that we're all evolving that context that we're all evolving that language together and just feels wrong language together and just feels wrong language together and just feels wrong like you know word bitch for example it like you know word bitch for example it like you know word bitch for example it really B like I've I've heard on your really B like I've I've heard on your really B like I've I've heard on your streams and in general calling a woman a streams and in general calling a woman a streams and in general calling a woman a stupid bitch really bothers me MH but stupid bitch really bothers me MH but stupid bitch really bothers me MH but it's not just the word bitch it's it's not just the word bitch it's it's not just the word bitch it's context like for example me personally context like for example me personally context like for example me personally I'm speaking to me personally like I'm speaking to me personally like I'm speaking to me personally like badass badass badass bitch is is different than stupid bitch bitch is is different than stupid bitch bitch is is different than stupid bitch bad or something is different than yeah bad or something is different than yeah bad or something is different than yeah of course way different sure I think it of course way different sure I think it of course way different sure I think it speaks to a bigger sense of Civility and speaks to a bigger sense of Civility and speaks to a bigger sense of Civility and respect for human beings that are not respect for human beings that are not respect for human beings that are not like you that's what that's that's the like you that's what that's that's the like you that's what that's that's the feeling that I'm bothering so I guess feeling that I'm bothering so I guess feeling that I'm bothering so I guess what what I'm trying to say here is what what I'm trying to say here is what what I'm trying to say here is um just because people speak in this um just because people speak in this um just because people speak in this kind of way in the gaming world and and kind of way in the gaming world and and kind of way in the gaming world and and streams doesn't mean that you like a lot streams doesn't mean that you like a lot streams doesn't mean that you like a lot of people look up to you it doesn't mean of people look up to you it doesn't mean of people look up to you it doesn't mean young people especially doesn't mean young people especially doesn't mean young people especially doesn't mean that you don't have the responsibility that you don't have the responsibility that you don't have the responsibility to sort of stand alone from the crowd to sort of stand alone from the crowd to sort of stand alone from the crowd because you're somebody that values the because you're somebody that values the because you're somebody that values the power of effective discourse MH power of effective discourse MH power of effective discourse MH and to be effective discourse there's and to be effective discourse there's and to be effective discourse there's some level of Civility so you can be the

some level of Civility so you can be the some level of Civility so you can be the sort of the beacon of Civility in that sort of the beacon of Civility in that sort of the beacon of Civility in that world versus giving into to world versus giving into to world versus giving into to the the derogatory words cuz like you the the derogatory words cuz like you the the derogatory words cuz like you have to you have to lift people out of have to you have to lift people out of have to you have to lift people out of that world out of the muck of um what I that world out of the muck of um what I that world out of the muck of um what I would say is like drama in in in would say is like drama in in in would say is like drama in in in effective discourse like I think that's effective discourse like I think that's effective discourse like I think that's one of your missions right is like to one of your missions right is like to one of your missions right is like to inspire the world through conversation inspire the world through conversation inspire the world through conversation through debate through effective through debate through effective through debate through effective discourse yeah so I I guess I'm just discourse yeah so I I guess I'm just discourse yeah so I I guess I'm just calling you out that I I think using our calling you out that I I think using our calling you out that I I think using our word for me personally as a fan that word for me personally as a fan that word for me personally as a fan that that believes in your mission it just that believes in your mission it just that believes in your mission it just makes you look ineffective and bad and makes you look ineffective and bad and makes you look ineffective and bad and uninspiring to young people that look up uninspiring to young people that look up uninspiring to young people that look up to you cuz those young people are going to you cuz those young people are going to you cuz those young people are going to use those words that you're using and to use those words that you're using and to use those words that you're using and they'll do it much less effectively this they'll do it much less effectively this they'll do it much less effectively this the problem yeah I guess the challenge the problem yeah I guess the challenge the problem yeah I guess the challenge is always just like finding the line is always just like finding the line is always just like finding the line like yeah my my vocabulary shifted like yeah my my vocabulary shifted like yeah my my vocabulary shifted dramatically from even even from like dramatically from even even from like dramatically from even even from like two or three years ago I think my two or three years ago I think my two or three years ago I think my vocabulary shifted quite a bit as we've vocabulary shifted quite a bit as we've vocabulary shifted quite a bit as we've like we've kind of gotten rid of some like we've kind of gotten rid of some like we've kind of gotten rid of some words and some things have kind of words and some things have kind of words and some things have kind of coming out um the RW is one that has coming out um the RW is one that has coming out um the RW is one that has kind of gone out and come back and go kind of gone out and come back and go kind of gone out and come back and go out and come back that one we've out and come back that one we've out and come back that one we've definitely gone back and forth on I know definitely gone back and forth on I know definitely gone back and forth on I know there are different thoughts about it in there are different thoughts about it in there are different thoughts about it in different communities on the internet different communities on the internet different communities on the internet this is I mean I'm just telling you yeah this is I mean I'm just telling you yeah this is I mean I'm just telling you yeah for me it cuts and I'm not a social for me it cuts and I'm not a social for me it cuts and I'm not a social justice Warrior type it cuts pretty hard justice Warrior type it cuts pretty hard justice Warrior type it cuts pretty hard what you're saying is I'm going to lose what you're saying is I'm going to lose what you're saying is I'm going to lose a subscriber if I'm no it's not a subscriber if I'm no it's not a subscriber if I'm no it's not subscriber I just I actually have to subscriber I just I actually have to subscriber I just I actually have to empathize harder because I'm like maybe empathize harder because I'm like maybe empathize harder because I'm like maybe this is not a very good person that's

this is not a very good person that's this is not a very good person that's what I feel like if you're so carelessly what I feel like if you're so carelessly what I feel like if you're so carelessly using that word then maybe you're not using that word then maybe you're not using that word then maybe you're not actually thinking deeply about the actually thinking deeply about the actually thinking deeply about the suffering in the world like to be a suffering in the world like to be a suffering in the world like to be a student if human nature you really have student if human nature you really have student if human nature you really have to think about other humans and other to think about other humans and other to think about other humans and other experiences that are unlike your own experiences that are unlike your own experiences that are unlike your own yeah of course and so that's the sense I yeah of course and so that's the sense I yeah of course and so that's the sense I get but at the same time you're you're get but at the same time you're you're get but at the same time you're you're also like the grandpa let me ages who's also like the grandpa let me ages who's also like the grandpa let me ages who's trying to be cool with the young kids so trying to be cool with the young kids so trying to be cool with the young kids so a lot of the reason young kids look up a lot of the reason young kids look up a lot of the reason young kids look up to you is like you also know the to you is like you also know the to you is like you also know the language of the internet yeah but I mean language of the internet yeah but I mean language of the internet yeah but I mean it doesn't that's not an excuse to use it doesn't that's not an excuse to use it doesn't that's not an excuse to use words that we think shouldn't be used I words that we think shouldn't be used I words that we think shouldn't be used I guess the question that I that I would guess the question that I that I would guess the question that I that I would have because it's always a struggle and have because it's always a struggle and have because it's always a struggle and to some extent it's kind of happened is to some extent it's kind of happened is to some extent it's kind of happened is let's say that like 3 years ago I would let's say that like 3 years ago I would let's say that like 3 years ago I would have said I'm no longer saying the have said I'm no longer saying the have said I'm no longer saying the artwor that's just I'm just going to get artwor that's just I'm just going to get artwor that's just I'm just going to get rid of that in my vocabulary like is rid of that in my vocabulary like is rid of that in my vocabulary like is there a chance that today we would be there a chance that today we would be there a chance that today we would be having a conversation about like why do having a conversation about like why do having a conversation about like why do you call people dumb fucks like is that you call people dumb fucks like is that you call people dumb fucks like is that really appropriate like does this attack really appropriate like does this attack really appropriate like does this attack at the core of like somebody's like at the core of like somebody's like at the core of like somebody's like level of intelligence education level of intelligence education level of intelligence education opportunities in life like is that worth opportunities in life like is that worth opportunities in life like is that worth you you don't think so I think that's a you you don't think so I think that's a you you don't think so I think that's a as the kids say cope you really think so as the kids say cope you really think so as the kids say cope you really think so think because because the words have think because because the words have think because because the words have definitely moved in a way where it's definitely moved in a way where it's definitely moved in a way where it's like this was okay now it's not this is like this was okay now it's not this is like this was okay now it's not this is okay now it's not so you're standing okay now it's not so you're standing okay now it's not so you're standing your ground by using listen you could your ground by using listen you could your ground by using listen you could you you could you could but I think it's you you could you could but I think it's you you could you could but I think it's better to use those words if you want to better to use those words if you want to better to use those words if you want to defend the ground words stand on to use defend the ground words stand on to use defend the ground words stand on to use them rarely and deliberately versus how them rarely and deliberately versus how them rarely and deliberately versus how you currently use them which is to you currently use them which is to you currently use them which is to express an emotion like you I'm going to express an emotion like you I'm going to express an emotion like you I'm going to be honest you use our word not when

be honest you use our word not when be honest you use our word not when you're at your you're at your you're at your best true and so that's not that's best true and so that's not that's best true and so that's not that's generally that could be true for a lot generally that could be true for a lot generally that could be true for a lot of swearing too though but yeah I know of swearing too though but yeah I know of swearing too though but yeah I know what you mean no but like you you know what you mean no but like you you know what you mean no but like you you know that our word is offensive you know and that our word is offensive you know and that our word is offensive you know and there's part of it is like the the you there's part of it is like the the you there's part of it is like the the you tell yourself that like you're still tell yourself that like you're still tell yourself that like you're still kind of fighting political correctness kind of fighting political correctness kind of fighting political correctness by using it a little bit when you say it by using it a little bit when you say it by using it a little bit when you say it no I don't think so I think I'm try I'm no I don't think so I think I'm try I'm no I don't think so I think I'm try I'm trying to think in terms of like where trying to think in terms of like where trying to think in terms of like where is The Virtue where like there's a whole is The Virtue where like there's a whole is The Virtue where like there's a whole bunch of arguments for why some words bunch of arguments for why some words bunch of arguments for why some words are okay some words aren't okay or are okay some words aren't okay or are okay some words aren't okay or whatever and I try to like think more whatever and I try to like think more whatever and I try to like think more along those lines rather than but um along those lines rather than but um along those lines rather than but um like there's going to be like a lot of like there's going to be like a lot of like there's going to be like a lot of phrases where like if the r word has phrases where like if the r word has phrases where like if the r word has come out the conversation is over like I come out the conversation is over like I come out the conversation is over like I know that like things my brain is shut know that like things my brain is shut know that like things my brain is shut down the person I'm talking to but down the person I'm talking to but down the person I'm talking to but there's like there's a lot of words also there's like there's a lot of words also there's like there's a lot of words also in terms of like like if you ever hear in terms of like like if you ever hear in terms of like like if you ever hear me say like fucking moron in a debate me say like fucking moron in a debate me say like fucking moron in a debate it's like it's done like this it's like it's done like this it's like it's done like this conversation is over there's no way that conversation is over there's no way that conversation is over there's no way that anything productive is happening past anything productive is happening past anything productive is happening past that point I think fucking moron is not that point I think fucking moron is not that point I think fucking moron is not I think it's ineffective it's not civil I think it's ineffective it's not civil I think it's ineffective it's not civil but it's not it doesn't bother me in the but it's not it doesn't bother me in the but it's not it doesn't bother me in the way is it's basically when you speak in way is it's basically when you speak in way is it's basically when you speak in a way that I know there's a group that's a way that I know there's a group that's a way that I know there's a group that's going to be hurt by going to be hurt by going to be hurt by that not only do I think about the hurt that not only do I think about the hurt that not only do I think about the hurt that group experiences I think of you as that group experiences I think of you as that group experiences I think of you as a lesser intellectual like as a lesser a lesser intellectual like as a lesser a lesser intellectual like as a lesser person who's thinking about the world person who's thinking about the world person who's thinking about the world what bothers me the most is just what what bothers me the most is just what what bothers me the most is just what kind of um mindset that inspires in kind of um mindset that inspires in kind of um mindset that inspires in young in young people or especially when young in young people or especially when young in young people or especially when you're a public figure and a lot of you're a public figure and a lot of you're a public figure and a lot of people look up to you so I definitely people look up to you so I definitely people look up to you so I definitely don't think sort of this idea the r word don't think sort of this idea the r word don't think sort of this idea the r word is not the battleground of expanding the

is not the battleground of expanding the is not the battleground of expanding the Overton window of Overton window of Overton window of discourse okay like I I don't think discourse okay like I I don't think discourse okay like I I don't think it'll lead to dumb fuck being it'll lead to dumb fuck being it'll lead to dumb fuck being cancelled two years later unless that cancelled two years later unless that cancelled two years later unless that word is hurting people's experience word is hurting people's experience word is hurting people's experience which I don't foresee that happening I which I don't foresee that happening I which I don't foresee that happening I think legitimately our word and F slur think legitimately our word and F slur think legitimately our word and F slur and calling women and calling women and calling women bitches it context matters here too like bitches it context matters here too like bitches it context matters here too like of course but just the way I've heard of course but just the way I've heard of course but just the way I've heard you use it it is not it's from emotion you use it it is not it's from emotion you use it it is not it's from emotion and it's from frustration and It and it's from frustration and It and it's from frustration and It ultimately is rooted in disrespect like ultimately is rooted in disrespect like ultimately is rooted in disrespect like I don't I think it's ineffective and of I don't I think it's ineffective and of I don't I think it's ineffective and of course like who gets to say I don't know course like who gets to say I don't know course like who gets to say I don't know but I'm saying somebody who admire like but I'm saying somebody who admire like but I'm saying somebody who admire like I admire effective conversations and I I admire effective conversations and I I admire effective conversations and I admire great humor dark humor wit to me admire great humor dark humor wit to me admire great humor dark humor wit to me often times the use of the RW in the way often times the use of the RW in the way often times the use of the RW in the way you've used it and the way I see the you've used it and the way I see the you've used it and the way I see the community use it is none of those things community use it is none of those things community use it is none of those things it contributes not at all to the humor it contributes not at all to the humor it contributes not at all to the humor and so on now I could see it might and so on now I could see it might and so on now I could see it might contribute to the to the camaraderie of contribute to the to the camaraderie of contribute to the to the camaraderie of that particular group especially when that particular group especially when that particular group especially when they normalize the use of that word you they normalize the use of that word you they normalize the use of that word you kind of take some of the edge off but kind of take some of the edge off but kind of take some of the edge off but you forget that there's a a large number you forget that there's a a large number you forget that there's a a large number of other people that don't have the of other people that don't have the of other people that don't have the chemistry the don't hear the music of chemistry the don't hear the music of chemistry the don't hear the music of the friendship that you have the the friendship that you have the the friendship that you have the relationship you have and instead they relationship you have and instead they relationship you have and instead they hear the normalization of a hateful word

hear the normalization of a hateful word hear the normalization of a hateful word and It ultimately has an impact that's and It ultimately has an impact that's and It ultimately has an impact that's hateful and then people like me who show hateful and then people like me who show hateful and then people like me who show up you know I haven't watched much of up you know I haven't watched much of up you know I haven't watched much of your stuff it turns me off from like it your stuff it turns me off from like it your stuff it turns me off from like it uh a couple of times your content came uh a couple of times your content came uh a couple of times your content came came before me like and I listened to it came before me like and I listened to it came before me like and I listened to it a little bit it turned me off completely a little bit it turned me off completely a little bit it turned me off completely I didn't understand how good your heart I didn't understand how good your heart I didn't understand how good your heart is I didn't understand how your mission is I didn't understand how your mission is I didn't understand how your mission of actually uh der deradicalize people of actually uh der deradicalize people of actually uh der deradicalize people help people like you're uh and increase help people like you're uh and increase help people like you're uh and increase the level of good faith discourse in the the level of good faith discourse in the the level of good faith discourse in the world I didn't understand any of that world I didn't understand any of that world I didn't understand any of that cuz like what I was hearing is pretty cuz like what I was hearing is pretty cuz like what I was hearing is pretty rough like the rward type of stuff and I rough like the rward type of stuff and I rough like the rward type of stuff and I just feel like the benefit cost analysis just feel like the benefit cost analysis just feel like the benefit cost analysis is heavy on the cost gotcha that's so I is heavy on the cost gotcha that's so I is heavy on the cost gotcha that's so I just have to sort of call this just have to sort of call this just have to sort of call this out and I think it and I straight up out and I think it and I straight up out and I think it and I straight up think it's wrong but that's my own think it's wrong but that's my own think it's wrong but that's my own that's my you think it's wrong cuz it's that's my you think it's wrong cuz it's that's my you think it's wrong cuz it's hurting people without any benefit to hurting people without any benefit to hurting people without any benefit to you whatsoever when you say hurting you whatsoever when you say hurting you whatsoever when you say hurting people do you mean the person I'm using people do you mean the person I'm using people do you mean the person I'm using it at or do you think there's like the it at or do you think there's like the it at or do you think there's like the about the affected third group the third about the affected third group the third about the affected third group the third third group third group it's good third group third group it's good third group third group it's good feedback right I I always consider feedback right I I always consider feedback right I I always consider everything especially respect you a lot everything especially respect you a lot everything especially respect you a lot you're a really smart guy um something you're a really smart guy um something you're a really smart guy um something that I always kind of that I always kind of that I always kind of like fight over in terms of like like fight over in terms of like like fight over in terms of like language or like who to attack or what language or like who to attack or what language or like who to attack or what to attack or what to do is that um it's to attack or what to do is that um it's to attack or what to do is that um it's very hard to draw like what very hard to draw like what very hard to draw like what boxes um are okay to insult people on boxes um are okay to insult people on boxes um are okay to insult people on versus one aren't so for instance if I versus one aren't so for instance if I versus one aren't so for instance if I call somebody like a Nazi with a lot of call somebody like a Nazi with a lot of call somebody like a Nazi with a lot of vitriol I'm okay with every single Nazi vitriol I'm okay with every single Nazi vitriol I'm okay with every single Nazi being negatively affected by that being negatively affected by that being negatively affected by that because that category intrinsically

because that category intrinsically because that category intrinsically calls upon on at some level of moral calls upon on at some level of moral calls upon on at some level of moral condemnation for me right whereas like condemnation for me right whereas like condemnation for me right whereas like if I'm out there I try not to do like if I'm out there I try not to do like if I'm out there I try not to do like image related jokes right I don't want image related jokes right I don't want image related jokes right I don't want to call you like oh you're a fat fucking to call you like oh you're a fat fucking to call you like oh you're a fat fucking loser because there's a lot of people loser because there's a lot of people loser because there's a lot of people that are fat that are overweight where I that are fat that are overweight where I that are fat that are overweight where I don't want them to feel bad I don't want don't want them to feel bad I don't want don't want them to feel bad I don't want them I'm not trying to call you out or them I'm not trying to call you out or them I'm not trying to call you out or like insult you so there's like a lot of like insult you so there's like a lot of like insult you so there's like a lot of um you say cost benefit I look at like a um you say cost benefit I look at like a um you say cost benefit I look at like a lot of collateral damage from a word lot of collateral damage from a word lot of collateral damage from a word like that where there's no purpose in like that where there's no purpose in like that where there's no purpose in doing that um so certain words are easy doing that um so certain words are easy doing that um so certain words are easy to get rid of they're off the table to get rid of they're off the table to get rid of they're off the table right Ur um N word like like these are right Ur um N word like like these are right Ur um N word like like these are not words you call people because you're not words you call people because you're not words you call people because you're there's so much collateral it's not there's so much collateral it's not there's so much collateral it's not worth it we've got some words where it's worth it we've got some words where it's worth it we've got some words where it's like if you have some form of like like if you have some form of like like if you have some form of like mental thing it is a bad thing you're mental thing it is a bad thing you're mental thing it is a bad thing you're not a bad person but just using that not a bad person but just using that not a bad person but just using that word could feel like a collateral damage word could feel like a collateral damage word could feel like a collateral damage to those people um and then there's to those people um and then there's to those people um and then there's other categories of words so like if I other categories of words so like if I other categories of words so like if I say that like um this person is like say that like um this person is like say that like um this person is like they it's a stupid fucking Republican they it's a stupid fucking Republican they it's a stupid fucking Republican right there's probably some Republicans right there's probably some Republicans right there's probably some Republicans that aren't dumb that I don't want to that aren't dumb that I don't want to that aren't dumb that I don't want to feel called out by that like are those feel called out by that like are those feel called out by that like are those types of phrases that you think should types of phrases that you think should types of phrases that you think should be completely removed as well or I'm be completely removed as well or I'm be completely removed as well or I'm kind of curious so this completely kind of curious so this completely kind of curious so this completely removed just so we're clear yeah I'm not removed just so we're clear yeah I'm not removed just so we're clear yeah I'm not referring to censorship oh no I'm not referring to censorship oh no I'm not referring to censorship oh no I'm not even talking about I'm just just a even talking about I'm just just a even talking about I'm just just a person like emotionally like remove it person like emotionally like remove it person like emotionally like remove it is the wrong word though like I care is the wrong word though like I care is the wrong word though like I care about like I'm not trying to listen to about like I'm not trying to listen to about like I'm not trying to listen to people on the internet saying like you people on the internet saying like you people on the internet saying like you shouldn't say that word that's not good shouldn't say that word that's not good shouldn't say that word that's not good I I I mean I'm trying to look to your mind and mean I'm trying to look to your mind and mean I'm trying to look to your mind and heart and the reason we're talking today heart and the reason we're talking today heart and the reason we're talking today is you're betraying your gift mhm you're is you're betraying your gift mhm you're is you're betraying your gift mhm you're better than this you think it's better than this you think it's better than this you think it's indicative of like a more flippant indicative of like a more flippant indicative of like a more flippant thought process where it's like the only thought process where it's like the only thought process where it's like the only way you can say that word is if you're

way you can say that word is if you're way you can say that word is if you're ignoring the hurt and suffering of those ignoring the hurt and suffering of those ignoring the hurt and suffering of those people and if you're somebody that says people and if you're somebody that says people and if you're somebody that says not even those people you're ignoring not even those people you're ignoring not even those people you're ignoring the the state of language cuz I think the the state of language cuz I think the the state of language cuz I think you're getting to the point because it's you're getting to the point because it's you're getting to the point because it's not about a single word it's about like not about a single word it's about like not about a single word it's about like a it's music and I just feel like a it's music and I just feel like a it's music and I just feel like there's uh off strong note it's a it's a there's uh off strong note it's a it's a there's uh off strong note it's a it's a strong note that ruins the melody gotcha strong note that ruins the melody gotcha strong note that ruins the melody gotcha and I don't think I can say you know you and I don't think I can say you know you and I don't think I can say you know you shouldn't use the r word or whatever I'm shouldn't use the r word or whatever I'm shouldn't use the r word or whatever I'm just speaking to I'm I'm just listening just speaking to I'm I'm just listening just speaking to I'm I'm just listening to music and reviewing the the final to music and reviewing the the final to music and reviewing the the final result it's not necessarily cuz maybe result it's not necessarily cuz maybe result it's not necessarily cuz maybe one use of the word the one use of the word the one use of the word the RW uh strategically or part of an actual RW uh strategically or part of an actual RW uh strategically or part of an actual like or when you've built up a like or when you've built up a like or when you've built up a camaraderie that's sandwiched in in in camaraderie that's sandwiched in in in camaraderie that's sandwiched in in in like some love but then you try to like some love but then you try to like some love but then you try to reveal their because you're talking reveal their because you're talking reveal their because you're talking about a lot of there's a bunch of drama about a lot of there's a bunch of drama about a lot of there's a bunch of drama you have a b you have friends with whom you have a b you have friends with whom you have a b you have friends with whom you're worrying and stuff and they're you're worrying and stuff and they're you're worrying and stuff and they're all a little bit beautifully insane and all a little bit beautifully insane and all a little bit beautifully insane and you've said that you are becoming more you've said that you are becoming more you've said that you are becoming more and more insane as beautiful to watch and more insane as beautiful to watch and more insane as beautiful to watch it's The Human Condition laid before us it's The Human Condition laid before us it's The Human Condition laid before us wonderful and some of that is swearing wonderful and some of that is swearing wonderful and some of that is swearing and so on so it's a tricky thing but um and so on so it's a tricky thing but um and so on so it's a tricky thing but um the whole skill of discourse just like the whole skill of discourse just like the whole skill of discourse just like it is with dark humor is walking that it is with dark humor is walking that it is with dark humor is walking that line I just feel like it's uh overuse of line I just feel like it's uh overuse of line I just feel like it's uh overuse of the RW and I don't want to die in that the RW and I don't want to die in that the RW and I don't want to die in that ground because I don't think it's that ground because I don't think it's that ground because I don't think it's that that represent like there's certain that represent like there's certain that represent like there's certain things like that it feels like it ruins things like that it feels like it ruins things like that it feels like it ruins the music and I don't you know saying the music and I don't you know saying the music and I don't you know saying like a dumb Republican or dumb Dem I like a dumb Republican or dumb Dem I like a dumb Republican or dumb Dem I don't yeah that ruins it too a little

don't yeah that ruins it too a little don't yeah that ruins it too a little bit depends on how you use it uh you can bit depends on how you use it uh you can bit depends on how you use it uh you can be lazy with that yeah you know like be lazy with that yeah you know like be lazy with that yeah you know like even over use of the word I think Bots even over use of the word I think Bots even over use of the word I think Bots is what's used for people who don't is what's used for people who don't is what's used for people who don't think or something I don't actually know think or something I don't actually know think or something I don't actually know the definition I'm offended on the on the definition I'm offended on the on the definition I'm offended on the on behalf of robots uh and that might be a behalf of robots uh and that might be a behalf of robots uh and that might be a compliment soon right exactly but I compliment soon right exactly but I compliment soon right exactly but I guess bot means you don't think yeah guess bot means you don't think yeah guess bot means you don't think yeah you're like an NPC you just cop again you're like an NPC you just cop again you're like an NPC you just cop again I'm offended on behalf of NPCs I I count I'm offended on behalf of NPCs I I count I'm offended on behalf of NPCs I I count myself as one but there's a sense if you myself as one but there's a sense if you myself as one but there's a sense if you say Bots too say Bots too say Bots too much that you're just dismissing people much that you're just dismissing people much that you're just dismissing people like everything I say is Right M and like everything I say is Right M and like everything I say is Right M and anyone that disagrees with me is a bot anyone that disagrees with me is a bot anyone that disagrees with me is a bot MH that that's lazy too sometimes it's MH that that's lazy too sometimes it's MH that that's lazy too sometimes it's funny sometimes it's effective uh funny sometimes it's effective uh funny sometimes it's effective uh basically saying a lot of people in the basically saying a lot of people in the basically saying a lot of people in the mainstream Media or something like that mainstream Media or something like that mainstream Media or something like that are Bots okay that's a little bit of are Bots okay that's a little bit of are Bots okay that's a little bit of that is effective but too much it that is effective but too much it that is effective but too much it becomes ineffective and I'm trying to becomes ineffective and I'm trying to becomes ineffective and I'm trying to speak to that and I'm just the reason speak to that and I'm just the reason speak to that and I'm just the reason we're highlighting clear examples we're highlighting clear examples we're highlighting clear examples like the like the like the nword uh Joe Rogan had to contend with nword uh Joe Rogan had to contend with nword uh Joe Rogan had to contend with that oh yeah yeah I think it's that oh yeah yeah I think it's that oh yeah yeah I think it's ineffective it makes you less effective ineffective it makes you less effective ineffective it makes you less effective a discourse I but like like you've a discourse I but like like you've a discourse I but like like you've talked about many times language is a talked about many times language is a talked about many times language is a tricky one M it's always hard because tricky one M it's always hard because tricky one M it's always hard because you talk about like constructing a you talk about like constructing a you talk about like constructing a Melody there's not one Melody that Melody there's not one Melody that Melody there's not one Melody that sounds good to everyone but there are sounds good to everyone but there are sounds good to everyone but there are probably certain notes that like if you probably certain notes that like if you probably certain notes that like if you got rid of them everybody's still going got rid of them everybody's still going got rid of them everybody's still going to like it about as much and you don't to like it about as much and you don't to like it about as much and you don't really lose anything there's a whole really lose anything there's a whole really lose anything there's a whole other part of an audience that might be other part of an audience that might be other part of an audience that might be more willing to listen yeah of course more willing to listen yeah of course more willing to listen yeah of course and it's not about losing using the and it's not about losing using the and it's not about losing using the magic of that Melody like you don't want magic of that Melody like you don't want magic of that Melody like you don't want to be

to be to be vanilla I just feel like there's stuff vanilla I just feel like there's stuff vanilla I just feel like there's stuff that doesn't need to be there yeah for that doesn't need to be there yeah for that doesn't need to be there yeah for sure it's fat but then again you're the sure it's fat but then again you're the sure it's fat but then again you're the other thing that people should other thing that people should other thing that people should understand that might be listening to understand that might be listening to understand that might be listening to this you're streaming many hours a day this you're streaming many hours a day this you're streaming many hours a day for many years I don't know it's 11 or for many years I don't know it's 11 or for many years I don't know it's 11 or 12 I think yeah I started in 2010 and so 12 I think yeah I started in 2010 and so 12 I think yeah I started in 2010 and so one of the things that people can do is one of the things that people can do is one of the things that people can do is just clip out anything you you're going just clip out anything you you're going just clip out anything you you're going through the full Human Experience of through the full Human Experience of through the full Human Experience of emotion anger M fear emotion anger M fear emotion anger M fear frustration all of it so of course frustration all of it so of course frustration all of it so of course there's going to be moments when you're there's going to be moments when you're there's going to be moments when you're not the best version of not the best version of not the best version of yourself anything else to say about the yourself anything else to say about the yourself anything else to say about the language it's complicated I'm uh I'm language it's complicated I'm uh I'm language it's complicated I'm uh I'm still always trying to figure it out you still always trying to figure it out you still always trying to figure it out you know there are opinions that I have that know there are opinions that I have that know there are opinions that I have that have changed throughout the years it's have changed throughout the years it's have changed throughout the years it's possible that the r word has always been possible that the r word has always been possible that the r word has always been the next one on the chopping block that the next one on the chopping block that the next one on the chopping block that we're all kind of looking at but people we're all kind of looking at but people we're all kind of looking at but people always worried about that treadmill um always worried about that treadmill um always worried about that treadmill um but it's possible in a year or two I'll but it's possible in a year or two I'll but it's possible in a year or two I'll have a different view on it or all have have a different view on it or all have have a different view on it or all have changed way some of the words I use or changed way some of the words I use or changed way some of the words I use or not um yeah it's definitely like a it's not um yeah it's definitely like a it's not um yeah it's definitely like a it's always like a work in progress there's always like a work in progress there's always like a work in progress there's always like different community ities always like different community ities always like different community ities that feel different ways about different that feel different ways about different that feel different ways about different words yeah yeah but you acknowledge that words yeah yeah but you acknowledge that words yeah yeah but you acknowledge that there's people out there MH that are there's people out there MH that are there's people out there MH that are never going to talk to never going to talk to never going to talk to you they're never going to think of you you they're never going to think of you you they're never going to think of you as a good man because you use the on NW as a good man because you use the on NW as a good man because you use the on NW with a hard R publicly in the past I with a hard R publicly in the past I with a hard R publicly in the past I mean yeah those people exist but I mean mean yeah those people exist but I mean mean yeah those people exist but I mean there are some people that are beyond my there are some people that are beyond my there are some people that are beyond my reach which I'm okay with like there's reach which I'm okay with like there's reach which I'm okay with like there's going to be some people because of going to be some people because of going to be some people because of things that have been invol or even things that have been invol or even things that have been invol or even ideas that I have now that might make ideas that I have now that might make ideas that I have now that might make them beyond my reach um something you them beyond my reach um something you them beyond my reach um something you said earlier is very true I think the said earlier is very true I think the said earlier is very true I think the goal is to like identify what are the

goal is to like identify what are the goal is to like identify what are the elements that you can cut out that elements that you can cut out that elements that you can cut out that aren't integral to your message but aren't integral to your message but aren't integral to your message but could be alienating to more people and could be alienating to more people and could be alienating to more people and those are probably the things that you those are probably the things that you those are probably the things that you identify but I think that you can get identify but I think that you can get identify but I think that you can get lost in yourself or lost in the internet lost in yourself or lost in the internet lost in yourself or lost in the internet or lost in a you know the outside of or lost in a you know the outside of or lost in a you know the outside of yourself if you're trying to appeal to yourself if you're trying to appeal to yourself if you're trying to appeal to every single person it's just never every single person it's just never every single person it's just never going to be the case and for I I going to be the case and for I I going to be the case and for I I actually I like that I've had the actually I like that I've had the actually I like that I've had the journey that I've had on the internet journey that I've had on the internet journey that I've had on the internet that you can find me saying and that you can find me saying and that you can find me saying and defending a lot of insane stuff 10 years defending a lot of insane stuff 10 years defending a lot of insane stuff 10 years ago because I think it shows like a ago because I think it shows like a ago because I think it shows like a level of progress and I think I do get a level of progress and I think I do get a level of progress and I think I do get a lot of respect in biome to certain lot of respect in biome to certain lot of respect in biome to certain communities where it's like I'm not just communities where it's like I'm not just communities where it's like I'm not just some random dude telling you that like some random dude telling you that like some random dude telling you that like oh you shouldn't say you know the f word oh you shouldn't say you know the f word oh you shouldn't say you know the f word or the NW like I'm a guy that's been or the NW like I'm a guy that's been or the NW like I'm a guy that's been there that's done it that's defended it there that's done it that's defended it there that's done it that's defended it and you can see my whole past my whole and you can see my whole past my whole and you can see my whole past my whole history is laid bare for you to watch history is laid bare for you to watch history is laid bare for you to watch every of you know thousands of hours of every of you know thousands of hours of every of you know thousands of hours of it um but I can show that like there's it um but I can show that like there's it um but I can show that like there's growth and evolution and change that can growth and evolution and change that can growth and evolution and change that can happen in a person so yeah and you're happen in a person so yeah and you're happen in a person so yeah and you're honest about that growth MH It's Tricky honest about that growth MH It's Tricky honest about that growth MH It's Tricky thing cuz people just call bring up thing cuz people just call bring up thing cuz people just call bring up stuff from your past sure I I hope we stuff from your past sure I I hope we stuff from your past sure I I hope we figure out as a civilization a mechanism figure out as a civilization a mechanism figure out as a civilization a mechanism to Clearly say this was this was Me 2 to Clearly say this was this was Me 2 to Clearly say this was this was Me 2 years ago this is me 5 years ago this years ago this is me 5 years ago this years ago this is me 5 years ago this I'm a different person and like um I'm a different person and like um I'm a different person and like um because Twitter doesn't care about that because Twitter doesn't care about that because Twitter doesn't care about that these social mechanisms that bring stuff these social mechanisms that bring stuff these social mechanisms that bring stuff up doesn't care about that it's like one up doesn't care about that it's like one up doesn't care about that it's like one stupid thing you say it becomes like a stupid thing you say it becomes like a stupid thing you say it becomes like a Scarlet Letter and I don't know how to Scarlet Letter and I don't know how to Scarlet Letter and I don't know how to fight that It's tricky to fight that fight that It's tricky to fight that fight that It's tricky to fight that have you ever seen Men In Black yes when have you ever seen Men In Black yes when have you ever seen Men In Black yes when KJ are on the bench and he says a person KJ are on the bench and he says a person KJ are on the bench and he says a person is smart but people are stupid dumb is smart but people are stupid dumb is smart but people are stupid dumb finicky an animals or whatever there's

finicky an animals or whatever there's finicky an animals or whatever there's something that changes for human something that changes for human something that changes for human dynamics when there is a group of people dynamics when there is a group of people dynamics when there is a group of people that make it so hard to control like I that make it so hard to control like I that make it so hard to control like I think oneon-one anybody can sit across think oneon-one anybody can sit across think oneon-one anybody can sit across on somebody and admit to some horrible on somebody and admit to some horrible on somebody and admit to some horrible stuff I used to be a you know I abused stuff I used to be a you know I abused stuff I used to be a you know I abused my husband when I was you know 20 and my husband when I was you know 20 and my husband when I was you know 20 and now I'm 35 and I see it's wrong or I did now I'm 35 and I see it's wrong or I did now I'm 35 and I see it's wrong or I did this I was addicted to whatever and you this I was addicted to whatever and you this I was addicted to whatever and you know I made these mistakes one-onone know I made these mistakes one-onone know I made these mistakes one-onone it's always easy but in um in group it's always easy but in um in group it's always easy but in um in group environments that ingroup outgroup environments that ingroup outgroup environments that ingroup outgroup tribalistic thing of like identifying tribalistic thing of like identifying tribalistic thing of like identifying one thing and then coming to destroy a one thing and then coming to destroy a one thing and then coming to destroy a person's life is like is such a huge person's life is like is such a huge person's life is like is such a huge like impulse we have and I think like impulse we have and I think like impulse we have and I think probably when we were like hunter probably when we were like hunter probably when we were like hunter gatherers in the forest probably good gatherers in the forest probably good gatherers in the forest probably good cuz you really want to push weird people cuz you really want to push weird people cuz you really want to push weird people out or anything like that but now on the out or anything like that but now on the out or anything like that but now on the internet when we can hunt for any internet when we can hunt for any internet when we can hunt for any dissenting opinion and just with dissenting opinion and just with dissenting opinion and just with ruthless Precision destroy somebody's ruthless Precision destroy somebody's ruthless Precision destroy somebody's life over it it's a pretty scary Dynamic life over it it's a pretty scary Dynamic life over it it's a pretty scary Dynamic I think one of the mechanisms that could I think one of the mechanisms that could I think one of the mechanisms that could fix it is make it super easy for each fix it is make it super easy for each fix it is make it super easy for each individual person to analyze all the individual person to analyze all the individual person to analyze all the stupid shit they themselves have said in stupid shit they themselves have said in stupid shit they themselves have said in the past like full the past like full the past like full recording because I think people just recording because I think people just recording because I think people just honestly paint a very Rosy picture to honestly paint a very Rosy picture to honestly paint a very Rosy picture to their own brain of of who they have been their own brain of of who they have been their own brain of of who they have been in the past yeah of course if we can in the past yeah of course if we can in the past yeah of course if we can have empathy for the fact that we've have empathy for the fact that we've have empathy for the fact that we've said stupid shit or we're drunk the the said stupid shit or we're drunk the the said stupid shit or we're drunk the the ridiculous things you say the offensive ridiculous things you say the offensive ridiculous things you say the offensive things you might have said the offensive things you might have said the offensive things you might have said the offensive things you might have done I I just feel things you might have done I I just feel things you might have done I I just feel like that would give us the ammunition like that would give us the ammunition like that would give us the ammunition to have empathy for others that are like to have empathy for others that are like to have empathy for others that are like okay yeah this guy 5 years ago said this okay yeah this guy 5 years ago said this okay yeah this guy 5 years ago said this this maybe that doesn't represent them this maybe that doesn't represent them this maybe that doesn't represent them who who doesn't represent who they are

who who doesn't represent who they are who who doesn't represent who they are any more than stuff I said 5 years ago any more than stuff I said 5 years ago any more than stuff I said 5 years ago represents who I am today yeah I feel represents who I am today yeah I feel represents who I am today yeah I feel like technology can actually enable that like technology can actually enable that like technology can actually enable that maybe although you're talking about more maybe although you're talking about more maybe although you're talking about more more recording and more stuff which more recording and more stuff which more recording and more stuff which people are already wary of but um it's a people are already wary of but um it's a people are already wary of but um it's a double-edged sword I think there's there double-edged sword I think there's there double-edged sword I think there's there is going to be more and more recording is going to be more and more recording is going to be more and more recording we have to figure out how to do that in we have to figure out how to do that in we have to figure out how to do that in the way that respects people privacy and the way that respects people privacy and the way that respects people privacy and gives them ownership of their data and gives them ownership of their data and gives them ownership of their data and so on I've I've looked at the search so on I've I've looked at the search so on I've I've looked at the search history I've done on Google which for history I've done on Google which for history I've done on Google which for most people's available like your Google most people's available like your Google most people's available like your Google search history and it's fascinating to search history and it's fascinating to search history and it's fascinating to watch the evolution of a human being watch the evolution of a human being watch the evolution of a human being like it doesn't seem like the same like it doesn't seem like the same like it doesn't seem like the same person it's like a different person for person it's like a different person for person it's like a different person for sure it's it's weird it's also hard too sure it's it's weird it's also hard too sure it's it's weird it's also hard too with the internet today I'm going to be with the internet today I'm going to be with the internet today I'm going to be aist again but like now all of the aist again but like now all of the aist again but like now all of the people are thrown together you know people are thrown together you know people are thrown together you know whereas like like I don't want a 27y old whereas like like I don't want a 27y old whereas like like I don't want a 27y old judging theage of like a 15 or 16y old judging theage of like a 15 or 16y old judging theage of like a 15 or 16y old like obviously he's in high school like like obviously he's in high school like like obviously he's in high school like there was that story that came out of there was that story that came out of there was that story that came out of the um there was a kid that saved the the um there was a kid that saved the the um there was a kid that saved the recording of I think it was like some recording of I think it was like some recording of I think it was like some white girl I think that she like got her white girl I think that she like got her white girl I think that she like got her driver's license and she's like I can driver's license and she's like I can driver's license and she's like I can drive now nword with the a or whatever drive now nword with the a or whatever drive now nword with the a or whatever it dumb she shouldn't have said it but I it dumb she shouldn't have said it but I it dumb she shouldn't have said it but I think she was like 15 or 16 when she think she was like 15 or 16 when she think she was like 15 or 16 when she tick toked this or whatever and he held tick toked this or whatever and he held tick toked this or whatever and he held on to that recording until she applied on to that recording until she applied on to that recording until she applied and got accepted to college three years and got accepted to college three years and got accepted to college three years later and then he released it to get her later and then he released it to get her later and then he released it to get her kicked out of college and I'm like damn kicked out of college and I'm like damn kicked out of college and I'm like damn if everything that I had ever said as if everything that I had ever said as if everything that I had ever said as like a 15 16 year-old was like like a 15 16 year-old was like like a 15 16 year-old was like immortalized on the internet my I my immortalized on the internet my I my immortalized on the internet my I my life wouldn't have even begun um and life wouldn't have even begun um and life wouldn't have even begun um and those are insanely high standards to those are insanely high standards to those are insanely high standards to hold people to um not that like hold people to um not that like hold people to um not that like obviously you shouldn't be saying those obviously you shouldn't be saying those obviously you shouldn't be saying those uh you shouldn't be saying certain words uh you shouldn't be saying certain words uh you shouldn't be saying certain words or whatever but you have to be able to or whatever but you have to be able to or whatever but you have to be able to make mistakes in adolescence like

make mistakes in adolescence like make mistakes in adolescence like everybody does we all did everybody did everybody does we all did everybody did everybody does we all did everybody did it growing up you know why do you think it growing up you know why do you think it growing up you know why do you think there is so much misogyny in the there is so much misogyny in the there is so much misogyny in the streaming community and how can you streaming community and how can you streaming community and how can you fight it cuz you you've shown a lot of fight it cuz you you've shown a lot of fight it cuz you you've shown a lot of interest in fighting it trying to interest in fighting it trying to interest in fighting it trying to decrease or eliminate misogyny from your decrease or eliminate misogyny from your decrease or eliminate misogyny from your community I think it's really difficult community I think it's really difficult community I think it's really difficult I think that eliminating racism is I think that eliminating racism is I think that eliminating racism is easier than eliminating misogyny because easier than eliminating misogyny because easier than eliminating misogyny because on the internet you mean on anywhere on the internet you mean on anywhere on the internet you mean on anywhere because I think fundamentally I don't because I think fundamentally I don't because I think fundamentally I don't think there's that much difference think there's that much difference think there's that much difference between like white people and black between like white people and black between like white people and black people and brown people and Asian people people and brown people and Asian people people and brown people and Asian people or whatever um you know we have or whatever um you know we have or whatever um you know we have different cultures and stuff but at the different cultures and stuff but at the different cultures and stuff but at the end of the day we're all people but I end of the day we're all people but I end of the day we're all people but I think there are differences between men think there are differences between men think there are differences between men and women like throughout all of H like and women like throughout all of H like and women like throughout all of H like all of history and time and then even all of history and time and then even all of history and time and then even today in every culture and when when today in every culture and when when today in every culture and when when real differences do exist it's harder to real differences do exist it's harder to real differences do exist it's harder to account for them in a way that can we account for them in a way that can we account for them in a way that can we have conversations with each other have conversations with each other have conversations with each other without it becoming very gendered in a without it becoming very gendered in a without it becoming very gendered in a negative way right negative way of negative way right negative way of negative way right negative way of gendering something be like a gendering something be like a gendering something be like a misogynistic way of doing it of course misogynistic way of doing it of course misogynistic way of doing it of course it's unclear to me that it's so it's unclear to me that it's so it's unclear to me that it's so difficult to um to avoid the negative difficult to um to avoid the negative difficult to um to avoid the negative gendering versus the positive because gendering versus the positive because gendering versus the positive because there's a lot of positive to the the there's a lot of positive to the the there's a lot of positive to the the tension the dance between the different tension the dance between the different tension the dance between the different genders and so on maybe in this genders and so on maybe in this genders and so on maybe in this particular moment in history it's not particular moment in history it's not particular moment in history it's not but it's not trivial to me that racism but it's not trivial to me that racism but it's not trivial to me that racism is easier to eliminate it's an is easier to eliminate it's an is easier to eliminate it's an interesting hypothesis just because interesting hypothesis just because interesting hypothesis just because there's more biological difference there's more biological difference there's more biological difference between men and women that means it's between men and women that means it's between men and women that means it's harder to eliminate but I don't know if harder to eliminate but I don't know if harder to eliminate but I don't know if this is true I hear this a lot I feel this is true I hear this a lot I feel this is true I hear this a lot I feel like I read this but I need to get a like I read this but I need to get a like I read this but I need to get a better Source where I repeat it better Source where I repeat it better Source where I repeat it everywhere but I've heard that like in everywhere but I've heard that like in everywhere but I've heard that like in the US military for instance they've the US military for instance they've the US military for instance they've gotten exceedingly well they do an

gotten exceedingly well they do an gotten exceedingly well they do an exceedingly good job at getting exceedingly good job at getting exceedingly good job at getting different people of different races to different people of different races to different people of different races to integrate and it's like not a huge integrate and it's like not a huge integrate and it's like not a huge problem once you're through basic problem once you're through basic problem once you're through basic training all the training everything but training all the training everything but training all the training everything but for a different Sexes it still for a different Sexes it still for a different Sexes it still represents a significant problem that represents a significant problem that represents a significant problem that the military hasn't figured out and I the military hasn't figured out and I the military hasn't figured out and I actually looked at like what's the actually looked at like what's the actually looked at like what's the military doing because if you know if military doing because if you know if military doing because if you know if something was solvable like can we sleep something was solvable like can we sleep something was solvable like can we sleep for 4 hours night and be healthy if we for 4 hours night and be healthy if we for 4 hours night and be healthy if we could I bet the military would know you could I bet the military would know you could I bet the military would know you know so I kind of look sometimes for know so I kind of look sometimes for know so I kind of look sometimes for them to see their integration but um it them to see their integration but um it them to see their integration but um it might be there are other issues there might be there are other issues there might be there are other issues there that make it yeah it feels like the that make it yeah it feels like the that make it yeah it feels like the military is a very particular kind of military is a very particular kind of military is a very particular kind of the actual task at hand might uh bias the actual task at hand might uh bias the actual task at hand might uh bias the difficulty of the process the difficulty of the process the difficulty of the process potentially yeah there's been a lot of potentially yeah there's been a lot of potentially yeah there's been a lot of interesting um talk about like women interesting um talk about like women interesting um talk about like women integrating into male groups and how do integrating into male groups and how do integrating into male groups and how do you do this in a way where everybody is you do this in a way where everybody is you do this in a way where everybody is happy with the outcome and there's not happy with the outcome and there's not happy with the outcome and there's not like issues um I think Jordan Peterson like issues um I think Jordan Peterson like issues um I think Jordan Peterson spoke about this a little bit and then spoke about this a little bit and then spoke about this a little bit and then workplace culture speaks about this a workplace culture speaks about this a workplace culture speaks about this a bit would you happen to remember I want bit would you happen to remember I want bit would you happen to remember I want to say it was like 5 or 10 years ago to say it was like 5 or 10 years ago to say it was like 5 or 10 years ago there was a big Tech conference and there was a big Tech conference and there was a big Tech conference and there were two guys behind a woman and there were two guys behind a woman and there were two guys behind a woman and they made a joke about like a USB dongle they made a joke about like a USB dongle they made a joke about like a USB dongle like dongle was a dick and this woman like dongle was a dick and this woman like dongle was a dick and this woman turned around she tweeted pictures of turned around she tweeted pictures of turned around she tweeted pictures of them spoke about like misogyny and then them spoke about like misogyny and then them spoke about like misogyny and then every that blew up into a huge ordeal every that blew up into a huge ordeal every that blew up into a huge ordeal that like um yeah there there was this that like um yeah there there was this that like um yeah there there was this there's this interesting phenomenon that there's this interesting phenomenon that there's this interesting phenomenon that in a less misogynistic and more in a less misogynistic and more in a less misogynistic and more inclusive workplace environment some inclusive workplace environment some inclusive workplace environment some women might end up feeling worse women might end up feeling worse women might end up feeling worse because in a more misogynistic because in a more misogynistic because in a more misogynistic environment you're thinking like okay environment you're thinking like okay environment you're thinking like okay that's a woman she doesn't get our humor that's a woman she doesn't get our humor that's a woman she doesn't get our humor I'm going to treat her in a very I'm going to treat her in a very I'm going to treat her in a very indifferent you know very dispassionate

indifferent you know very dispassionate indifferent you know very dispassionate cold way and whatever and then I'm going cold way and whatever and then I'm going cold way and whatever and then I'm going to have my my boys over here um and then to have my my boys over here um and then to have my my boys over here um and then you've got like these environments where you've got like these environments where you've got like these environments where they're a little bit more warmer and they're a little bit more warmer and they're a little bit more warmer and it's like oh cool we're going to bring it's like oh cool we're going to bring it's like oh cool we're going to bring this woman into our environment and this woman into our environment and this woman into our environment and we're going to make all the same types we're going to make all the same types we're going to make all the same types of like crash jokes we did before and of like crash jokes we did before and of like crash jokes we did before and it's actually worse now now the woman it's actually worse now now the woman it's actually worse now now the woman feels even more otherwise cuz like oh my feels even more otherwise cuz like oh my feels even more otherwise cuz like oh my God why do you talk like this I think God why do you talk like this I think God why do you talk like this I think that internet communities especially that internet communities especially that internet communities especially online ones that do like political online ones that do like political online ones that do like political debate and video games are very much debate and video games are very much debate and video games are very much like big boy clubs so it's not enough to like big boy clubs so it's not enough to like big boy clubs so it's not enough to just say you can't be misogynistic to just say you can't be misogynistic to just say you can't be misogynistic to get rid of misogyny there's always going get rid of misogyny there's always going get rid of misogyny there's always going to be an othering effect on women to be an othering effect on women to be an othering effect on women there's a lot of like behaviors that are there's a lot of like behaviors that are there's a lot of like behaviors that are unintuitive that you have to account for unintuitive that you have to account for unintuitive that you have to account for and you got to try to like push that and you got to try to like push that and you got to try to like push that back and that's just a very very very back and that's just a very very very back and that's just a very very very challenging thing to do um so like I challenging thing to do um so like I challenging thing to do um so like I like to deal with concrete examples more like to deal with concrete examples more like to deal with concrete examples more so here's a concrete example um and this so here's a concrete example um and this so here's a concrete example um and this is like a recent initiative in my is like a recent initiative in my is like a recent initiative in my community because I'm trying to like be community because I'm trying to like be community because I'm trying to like be because misogyny hasn't been fixed because misogyny hasn't been fixed because misogyny hasn't been fixed anywhere in the internet I'm curious anywhere in the internet I'm curious anywhere in the internet I'm curious well there are ways that I can push my well there are ways that I can push my well there are ways that I can push my community to do this um I don't think community to do this um I don't think community to do this um I don't think you should almost ever make a comment on you should almost ever make a comment on you should almost ever make a comment on a woman's appearance ever if they're a woman's appearance ever if they're a woman's appearance ever if they're appearing in like some political or appearing in like some political or appearing in like some political or professional manner even if it's a professional manner even if it's a professional manner even if it's a positive comment I think it's equally positive comment I think it's equally positive comment I think it's equally bad to a negative comment it's just bad to a negative comment it's just bad to a negative comment it's just never good to do and that's kind of an never good to do and that's kind of an never good to do and that's kind of an unintuitive thing because it's like well unintuitive thing because it's like well unintuitive thing because it's like well a woman appears wow she's really cute it a woman appears wow she's really cute it a woman appears wow she's really cute it seems like a nice comment you're being seems like a nice comment you're being seems like a nice comment you're being nice you know she looks cute or whatever nice you know she looks cute or whatever nice you know she looks cute or whatever but it's like that's not at all the but it's like that's not at all the but it's like that's not at all the point of why she's there and just by point of why she's there and just by point of why she's there and just by saying that you're kind of like saying that you're kind of like saying that you're kind of like otherizing her as like a person to like otherizing her as like a person to like otherizing her as like a person to like think she looks good rather than think she looks good rather than think she looks good rather than listening to anything she has to say you listening to anything she has to say you listening to anything she has to say you know well there there's a lot of stuff know well there there's a lot of stuff know well there there's a lot of stuff that you're saying that you're saying that you're saying and that is is a part of massaging it's and that is is a part of massaging it's and that is is a part of massaging it's almost like obvious like any woman would almost like obvious like any woman would almost like obvious like any woman would tell you that woman will yeah but tell you that woman will yeah but tell you that woman will yeah but they're not in these spaces and a lot of they're not in these spaces and a lot of they're not in these spaces and a lot of the guys don't know I think what that

the guys don't know I think what that the guys don't know I think what that requires is just empathy you don't need requires is just empathy you don't need requires is just empathy you don't need you don't need you need to consider the you don't need you need to consider the you don't need you need to consider the the female experience that's it like you the female experience that's it like you the female experience that's it like you have to either read about or talk with have to either read about or talk with have to either read about or talk with women you you learn like the low hanging women you you learn like the low hanging women you you learn like the low hanging food is very easy to learn it feels like food is very easy to learn it feels like food is very easy to learn it feels like just the level of social just the level of social just the level of social skill often times in Internet skill often times in Internet skill often times in Internet communities is quite low I disagree I communities is quite low I disagree I communities is quite low I disagree I don't like to say here's the problem don't like to say here's the problem don't like to say here's the problem with empathy is it's very hard to have with empathy is it's very hard to have with empathy is it's very hard to have empathy for experiences that are so empathy for experiences that are so empathy for experiences that are so outside of your own it well maybe some outside of your own it well maybe some outside of your own it well maybe some people there might be some people that people there might be some people that people there might be some people that can do it I can't there's a lot of stuff can do it I can't there's a lot of stuff can do it I can't there's a lot of stuff that I had to learn women are half the that I had to learn women are half the that I had to learn women are half the population but they're population but they're population but they're women they're totally women they're totally women they're totally different they're totally different so different they're totally different so different they're totally different so here here we'll talk about they're not here here we'll talk about they're not here here we'll talk about they're not totally different toally so here's an totally different toally so here's an totally different toally so here's an example okay so especially for me example okay so especially for me example okay so especially for me archetype makes up a lot of the internet archetype makes up a lot of the internet archetype makes up a lot of the internet white man um there's never been a point white man um there's never been a point white man um there's never been a point the name of a beautiful woman who might the name of a beautiful woman who might the name of a beautiful woman who might be a dancer what's the backstory from be a dancer what's the backstory from be a dancer what's the backstory from New Orleans or from I haven't thought New Orleans or from I haven't thought New Orleans or from I haven't thought that through yet um yeah it's ambiguous that through yet um yeah it's ambiguous that through yet um yeah it's ambiguous okay like an open world open world I okay like an open world open world I okay like an open world open world I want you to project whatever wherever want you to project whatever wherever want you to project whatever wherever you want Destiny the dancer to be from you want Destiny the dancer to be from you want Destiny the dancer to be from that's in your mind okay all right I'll that's in your mind okay all right I'll that's in your mind okay all right I'll save that for later tonight yeah okay as save that for later tonight yeah okay as save that for later tonight yeah okay as a white guy there I don't know if a white guy there I don't know if a white guy there I don't know if there's ever been a spot that I've been there's ever been a spot that I've been there's ever been a spot that I've been in where I've made been made to feel in where I've made been made to feel in where I've made been made to feel like I don't belong there just by virtue like I don't belong there just by virtue like I don't belong there just by virtue of who I am I don't I actually don't I of who I am I don't I actually don't I of who I am I don't I actually don't I it's impossible for me to empathize that it's impossible for me to empathize that it's impossible for me to empathize that cuz I don't even have that experience if cuz I don't even have that experience if cuz I don't even have that experience if you go back 8 nine years one of the big

you go back 8 nine years one of the big you go back 8 nine years one of the big issues that came up was harassment and issues that came up was harassment and issues that came up was harassment and gaming against women and I was one of gaming against women and I was one of gaming against women and I was one of the big Debaters against that saying the big Debaters against that saying the big Debaters against that saying that like sure women might get that like sure women might get that like sure women might get harassment but everybody gets harassment harassment but everybody gets harassment harassment but everybody gets harassment if you're a woman and you're in gaming if you're a woman and you're in gaming if you're a woman and you're in gaming and you get harassed congratulations and you get harassed congratulations and you get harassed congratulations you're being treated like a man what you're being treated like a man what you're being treated like a man what you're actually asking for is for us to you're actually asking for is for us to you're actually asking for is for us to actually treat you differently you don't actually treat you differently you don't actually treat you differently you don't want to be insulted um you don't want to want to be insulted um you don't want to want to be insulted um you don't want to be treated like a man and that's be treated like a man and that's be treated like a man and that's actually misogyny is women making that actually misogyny is women making that actually misogyny is women making that argument did you still stand by that is argument did you still stand by that is argument did you still stand by that is that a problem if I do no I'm just that a problem if I do no I'm just that a problem if I do no I'm just kidding okay almost hold on a little so kidding okay almost hold on a little so kidding okay almost hold on a little so a little while after I disagree with it a little while after I disagree with it a little while after I disagree with it sure okay that's good you should a sure okay that's good you should a sure okay that's good you should a little while later um I had a friend uh little while later um I had a friend uh little while later um I had a friend uh Jessica super cool girl we go to play Jessica super cool girl we go to play Jessica super cool girl we go to play games she's between jobs and she's like games she's between jobs and she's like games she's between jobs and she's like I've got like two months and we're going I've got like two months and we're going I've got like two months and we're going to grind CS go and I'm like okay this is to grind CS go and I'm like okay this is to grind CS go and I'm like okay this is awesome let's do it uh CS go um Counter awesome let's do it uh CS go um Counter awesome let's do it uh CS go um Counter Strike lobal offensive shooter game FPS Strike lobal offensive shooter game FPS Strike lobal offensive shooter game FPS microphones first day we start playing microphones first day we start playing microphones first day we start playing okay hop into our first game obviously L okay hop into our first game obviously L okay hop into our first game obviously L she talks everybody's making is that a she talks everybody's making is that a she talks everybody's making is that a 12-year-old boy why aren't you making 12-year-old boy why aren't you making 12-year-old boy why aren't you making sandwiches blah blah blah yeah okay sandwiches blah blah blah yeah okay sandwiches blah blah blah yeah okay whatever play our first game play our whatever play our first game play our whatever play our first game play our second game same jokes third game fourth second game same jokes third game fourth second game same jokes third game fourth game by like the fourth or fifth game I game by like the fourth or fifth game I game by like the fourth or fifth game I was actually starting to feel triggered was actually starting to feel triggered was actually starting to feel triggered like every time the game started I was like every time the game started I was like every time the game started I was like can you just like talk so we can like can you just like talk so we can like can you just like talk so we can get over like the stupid fucking jokes get over like the stupid fucking jokes get over like the stupid fucking jokes it's so fucking stupid and you hear the it's so fucking stupid and you hear the it's so fucking stupid and you hear the same fucking joke every single time and same fucking joke every single time and same fucking joke every single time and it took one day of that experience for it took one day of that experience for it took one day of that experience for me to realize it's not about being me to realize it's not about being me to realize it's not about being insulted it's like this othering feeling insulted it's like this othering feeling insulted it's like this othering feeling that you don't belong and I've never that you don't belong and I've never that you don't belong and I've never felt that because I'm a white guy like I felt that because I'm a white guy like I felt that because I'm a white guy like I it just not to be like virtue singular it just not to be like virtue singular it just not to be like virtue singular so but like there's just there's no so but like there's just there's no so but like there's just there's no places where it's like you're white you places where it's like you're white you places where it's like you're white you don't belong here you're a guy you don't don't belong here you're a guy you don't don't belong here you're a guy you don't belong here um like I've never felt that belong here um like I've never felt that belong here um like I've never felt that not inclusion and playing with her

not inclusion and playing with her not inclusion and playing with her there's a different feeling when it's there's a different feeling when it's there's a different feeling when it's the same types of jokes coming from a the same types of jokes coming from a the same types of jokes coming from a group of people to make you feel like group of people to make you feel like group of people to make you feel like you don't belong there where I was like you don't belong there where I was like you don't belong there where I was like damn this actually feels really bad and damn this actually feels really bad and damn this actually feels really bad and it feels bad in a different way where it feels bad in a different way where it feels bad in a different way where it's like if you call me um like ANF it's like if you call me um like ANF it's like if you call me um like ANF slur or um any other type of swear word slur or um any other type of swear word slur or um any other type of swear word or insult like yeah you can call me that or insult like yeah you can call me that or insult like yeah you can call me that but at the end of the day like we're all but at the end of the day like we're all but at the end of the day like we're all kind of the same we're all white dudes kind of the same we're all white dudes kind of the same we're all white dudes we call each other names but like this we call each other names but like this we call each other names but like this is a woman and this is not her place and is a woman and this is not her place and is a woman and this is not her place and she doesn't belong here kind of the she doesn't belong here kind of the she doesn't belong here kind of the analogy that I would make um cuz I I analogy that I would make um cuz I I analogy that I would make um cuz I I after getting these experiences I learn after getting these experiences I learn after getting these experiences I learn this afterwards if I tell you that this afterwards if I tell you that this afterwards if I tell you that there's another guy in a room and you there's another guy in a room and you there's another guy in a room and you need to think of the worst insults ever need to think of the worst insults ever need to think of the worst insults ever for that person without ever knowing for that person without ever knowing for that person without ever knowing anything about them or meeting them if I anything about them or meeting them if I anything about them or meeting them if I tell you that it's like a white straight tell you that it's like a white straight tell you that it's like a white straight guy and you have to write insults you're guy and you have to write insults you're guy and you have to write insults you're fucked maybe you can do like school fucked maybe you can do like school fucked maybe you can do like school shooter there's not really much you can shooter there's not really much you can shooter there's not really much you can say at the end of the day but if I tell say at the end of the day but if I tell say at the end of the day but if I tell you it's a woman we could there are so you it's a woman we could there are so you it's a woman we could there are so many different jokes right if it's a many different jokes right if it's a many different jokes right if it's a black person so many different racist black person so many different racist black person so many different racist things we can say are you sure I can things we can say are you sure I can things we can say are you sure I can come up with a lot of stuff for a white come up with a lot of stuff for a white come up with a lot of stuff for a white guy in terms of stuff that is just guy in terms of stuff that is just guy in terms of stuff that is just intrinsic to him being a white guy yeah intrinsic to him being a white guy yeah intrinsic to him being a white guy yeah like there's really wait a minute what like there's really wait a minute what like there's really wait a minute what are you talking about there's a lot the are you talking about there's a lot the are you talking about there's a lot the internet has sharpened that sword in internet has sharpened that sword in internet has sharpened that sword in terms of like jokes that are targeted at terms of like jokes that are targeted at terms of like jokes that are targeted at his his his sex sex sex virgin weak some of the Insel virgin virgin weak some of the Insel virgin virgin weak some of the Insel virgin maybe yeah that's getting there sure maybe yeah that's getting there sure maybe yeah that's getting there sure that's for sure um that's recent though that's for sure um that's recent though that's for sure um that's recent though sorry I'm older on the internet we sorry I'm older on the internet we sorry I'm older on the internet we didn't have those words way back then didn't have those words way back then didn't have those words way back then that was when I was making these that was when I was making these that was when I was making these analogies that incel and vir my day we analogies that incel and vir my day we analogies that incel and vir my day we didn't have General there were no inels didn't have General there were no inels didn't have General there were no inels back then none of us had sex we just back then none of us had sex we just back then none of us had sex we just accepted we were all computer Gamers accepted we were all computer Gamers accepted we were all computer Gamers nobody had sex to play video games back

nobody had sex to play video games back nobody had sex to play video games back then okay people don't remember that then okay people don't remember that then okay people don't remember that there wasn't the Big Bang Theory you there wasn't the Big Bang Theory you there wasn't the Big Bang Theory you were just a loser that was stuck you were just a loser that was stuck you were just a loser that was stuck you guys didn't even know sex exists you can guys didn't even know sex exists you can guys didn't even know sex exists you can use as an insult we had to download use as an insult we had to download use as an insult we had to download sexual pictures and it took two minutes sexual pictures and it took two minutes sexual pictures and it took two minutes and you didn't even know if you were and you didn't even know if you were and you didn't even know if you were going to get the right thing by the time going to get the right thing by the time going to get the right thing by the time it finished loading but but what I'm it finished loading but but what I'm it finished loading but but what I'm saying is like okay I think you agree saying is like okay I think you agree saying is like okay I think you agree that like if if somebody gives you like that like if if somebody gives you like that like if if somebody gives you like a race like a black person who's a woman a race like a black person who's a woman a race like a black person who's a woman we can write like very cutting scathing we can write like very cutting scathing we can write like very cutting scathing like insults for that person that are like insults for that person that are like insults for that person that are very authorizing oh words that would very authorizing oh words that would very authorizing oh words that would really hurt if yeah that are very really hurt if yeah that are very really hurt if yeah that are very cutting to the person but like for a cutting to the person but like for a cutting to the person but like for a White Guy um it's kind of hard because White Guy um it's kind of hard because White Guy um it's kind of hard because it's like that's like the default it's like that's like the default it's like that's like the default there's not as much otherizing of those there's not as much otherizing of those there's not as much otherizing of those people yeah kind so the insults you have people yeah kind so the insults you have people yeah kind so the insults you have from white guy to white guy the insults from white guy to white guy the insults from white guy to white guy the insults are much harsher so when you start to are much harsher so when you start to are much harsher so when you start to apply the same kind of harshness to apply the same kind of harshness to apply the same kind of harshness to other groups you can make them feel like other groups you can make them feel like other groups you can make them feel like they really don't belong and that they really don't belong and that they really don't belong and that otherizing effect is something that's otherizing effect is something that's otherizing effect is something that's very hard for me I can't really very hard for me I can't really very hard for me I can't really empathize it CU I've never felt it so I empathize it CU I've never felt it so I empathize it CU I've never felt it so I have to intellectualize it and then have to intellectualize it and then have to intellectualize it and then sympathize with it it's like a whole sympathize with it it's like a whole sympathize with it it's like a whole process I have to go through and then I process I have to go through and then I process I have to go through and then I try to walk other people through that try to walk other people through that try to walk other people through that cuz if you're a white guy on the cuz if you're a white guy on the cuz if you're a white guy on the internet which is a lot of the internet internet which is a lot of the internet internet which is a lot of the internet you really don't know what that feels you really don't know what that feels you really don't know what that feels like you've never felt like that before like you've never felt like that before like you've never felt like that before so you're now in a leadership position so you're now in a leadership position so you're now in a leadership position uh Grand Grandpa Destiny so that's a lot uh Grand Grandpa Destiny so that's a lot uh Grand Grandpa Destiny so that's a lot of people look up to you for that M for of people look up to you for that M for of people look up to you for that M for that sort of Pathway to empathy yeah that sort of Pathway to empathy yeah that sort of Pathway to empathy yeah Hana to other eyes I mean you have felt Hana to other eyes I mean you have felt Hana to other eyes I mean you have felt other eyes in your you you mentioned other eyes in your you you mentioned other eyes in your you you mentioned High School people like not being yeah High School people like not being yeah High School people like not being yeah but those are always for things that but those are always for things that but those are always for things that like it's different to insult somebody like it's different to insult somebody like it's different to insult somebody for a non- immutable characteristic like for a non- immutable characteristic like for a non- immutable characteristic like okay you think poorly about me because okay you think poorly about me because okay you think poorly about me because I'm like not enough money or I don't I'm like not enough money or I don't I'm like not enough money or I don't have money but I could get more money have money but I could get more money have money but I could get more money and I could change that but it's and I could change that but it's and I could change that but it's different for somebody to really attack

different for somebody to really attack different for somebody to really attack you for like your gender or attack you you for like your gender or attack you you for like your gender or attack you for like your race a lot of the attacks for like your race a lot of the attacks for like your race a lot of the attacks that hit the hardest is not about gender that hit the hardest is not about gender that hit the hardest is not about gender it's it's I I do think that they like it's it's I I do think that they like it's it's I I do think that they like the way women are attacked on the the way women are attacked on the the way women are attacked on the Internet it's the same kind of attacks Internet it's the same kind of attacks Internet it's the same kind of attacks you would do towards other guys but you you would do towards other guys but you you would do towards other guys but you go harsher I feel like they're go harsher I feel like they're go harsher I feel like they're fundamentally different I feel like when fundamentally different I feel like when fundamentally different I feel like when we're attacking guys I'm not usually we're attacking guys I'm not usually we're attacking guys I'm not usually attacking you on like the virtue of you attacking you on like the virtue of you attacking you on like the virtue of you being a guy but like if it's a woman and being a guy but like if it's a woman and being a guy but like if it's a woman and she's typing saying like oh did your she's typing saying like oh did your she's typing saying like oh did your boyfriend type that for you or like what boyfriend type that for you or like what boyfriend type that for you or like what are you even doing here like don't you are you even doing here like don't you are you even doing here like don't you shouldn't be trying to find a husband or shouldn't be trying to find a husband or shouldn't be trying to find a husband or like oh you're like a stupid kind like like oh you're like a stupid kind like like oh you're like a stupid kind like go start an only fans or no but the go start an only fans or no but the go start an only fans or no but the stupidity the intelligence aspect is stupidity the intelligence aspect is stupidity the intelligence aspect is what's attacked yeah but it's so much what's attacked yeah but it's so much what's attacked yeah but it's so much different like you can call a guy stupid different like you can call a guy stupid different like you can call a guy stupid but that's because he's a guy that's but that's because he's a guy that's but that's because he's a guy that's being stupid but when you call a woman being stupid but when you call a woman being stupid but when you call a woman stupid she's stupid because she's a stupid she's stupid because she's a stupid she's stupid because she's a woman yeah but I honestly think that woman yeah but I honestly think that woman yeah but I honestly think that women are called stupid more than men on women are called stupid more than men on women are called stupid more than men on the internet nothing to do like the the internet nothing to do like the the internet nothing to do like the attack is not gendered it's the gender attack is not gendered it's the gender attack is not gendered it's the gender inspires an increased level of attack I inspires an increased level of attack I inspires an increased level of attack I feel like it is gendered I wish we had feel like it is gendered I wish we had feel like it is gendered I wish we had data on this have you ever heard of the data on this have you ever heard of the data on this have you ever heard of the xkcd Comics yes it's a really good comic xkcd Comics yes it's a really good comic xkcd Comics yes it's a really good comic where and I this is something that I've where and I this is something that I've where and I this is something that I've dealt with a lot in my community okay dealt with a lot in my community okay dealt with a lot in my community okay there's a guy at a board and he fucks up there's a guy at a board and he fucks up there's a guy at a board and he fucks up a math equation and it's like wow you a math equation and it's like wow you a math equation and it's like wow you suck at math math and then the next suck at math math and then the next suck at math math and then the next panel is there's a girl that does it and panel is there's a girl that does it and panel is there's a girl that does it and she fucks it up and it's like wow she fucks it up and it's like wow she fucks it up and it's like wow women's suck at math and there's like women's suck at math and there's like women's suck at math and there's like that feeling that happens where when I that feeling that happens where when I that feeling that happens where when I bring on um I won't use names but bring on um I won't use names but bring on um I won't use names but they're like YouTube people that are they're like YouTube people that are they're like YouTube people that are brought on that have crazy opinions and

brought on that have crazy opinions and brought on that have crazy opinions and when they're men that person is crazy oh when they're men that person is crazy oh when they're men that person is crazy oh my God he said the crazy stuff he's so my God he said the crazy stuff he's so my God he said the crazy stuff he's so dumb he's so crazy so stupid but when dumb he's so crazy so stupid but when dumb he's so crazy so stupid but when it's a woman it's like oh my God why do it's a woman it's like oh my God why do it's a woman it's like oh my God why do you always bring dumb women here why do you always bring dumb women here why do you always bring dumb women here why do so many women on the internet have crazy so many women on the internet have crazy so many women on the internet have crazy opinions there's a different like opinions there's a different like opinions there's a different like minority character that has to like minority character that has to like minority character that has to like stand and like represent like their stand and like represent like their stand and like represent like their whole group where like white men don't whole group where like white men don't whole group where like white men don't typically have to speaking of groups typically have to speaking of groups typically have to speaking of groups versus individuals yes but then what I versus individuals yes but then what I versus individuals yes but then what I feel happens is then another person from feel happens is then another person from feel happens is then another person from that group comes another woman comes and that group comes another woman comes and that group comes another woman comes and people before she says anything will people before she says anything will people before she says anything will already feel like they're ready with already feel like they're ready with already feel like they're ready with that attack for sure but they're ready that attack for sure but they're ready that attack for sure but they're ready for the attack cuz she's a woman they're for the attack cuz she's a woman they're for the attack cuz she's a woman they're going to call her she's stupid because going to call her she's stupid because going to call her she's stupid because she's a woman not because she says she's a woman not because she says she's a woman not because she says something just cuz she's a woman so like something just cuz she's a woman so like something just cuz she's a woman so like uh the uh the uh the group in their brain accumulates all the group in their brain accumulates all the group in their brain accumulates all the negative characteristics of the negative characteristics of the negative characteristics of the individuals they've met not the positive individuals they've met not the positive individuals they've met not the positive the negative and it becomes like this the negative and it becomes like this the negative and it becomes like this ball of stickiness and then that becomes ball of stickiness and then that becomes ball of stickiness and then that becomes the bias for their judgment of a new the bias for their judgment of a new the bias for their judgment of a new person that comes with white men there's person that comes with white men there's person that comes with white men there's more of a blank slate in terms of bias more of a blank slate in terms of bias more of a blank slate in terms of bias of how they analyze the person with any of how they analyze the person with any of how they analyze the person with any any of the minority group they basically any of the minority group they basically any of the minority group they basically make a make a make a judgment based on the negative judgment based on the negative judgment based on the negative characteristics of the individuals they characteristics of the individuals they characteristics of the individuals they met in the past I just that leads to a met in the past I just that leads to a met in the past I just that leads to a system where you're just harsher to system where you're just harsher to system where you're just harsher to towards minority groups and towards towards minority groups and towards towards minority groups and towards women how do you solve that the fir the women how do you solve that the fir the women how do you solve that the fir the most important thing for any problem most important thing for any problem most important thing for any problem ever is step one is to be aware of it if ever is step one is to be aware of it if ever is step one is to be aware of it if you're not aware of it then you're you're not aware of it then you're you're not aware of it then you're hopelessly lost at sea but the yeah the hopelessly lost at sea but the yeah the hopelessly lost at sea but the yeah the first thing I like to say is just like first thing I like to say is just like first thing I like to say is just like be aware of it like I've had there's a

be aware of it like I've had there's a be aware of it like I've had there's a girl that I've had on recently and she girl that I've had on recently and she girl that I've had on recently and she says a lot of in my opinion kind of says a lot of in my opinion kind of says a lot of in my opinion kind of crazy things but people will use her as crazy things but people will use her as crazy things but people will use her as like this is why women shouldn't be here like this is why women shouldn't be here like this is why women shouldn't be here this is like she's crazy and she's a this is like she's crazy and she's a this is like she's crazy and she's a woman and blah blah blah but I can bring woman and blah blah blah but I can bring woman and blah blah blah but I can bring on a guy who say similarly dumb things on a guy who say similarly dumb things on a guy who say similarly dumb things and he's evaluated on his own merits cuz and he's evaluated on his own merits cuz and he's evaluated on his own merits cuz it's a guy you know there's never ever it's a guy you know there's never ever it's a guy you know there's never ever ever been a case where I brought a ever been a case where I brought a ever been a case where I brought a stupid guy on stream and everybody's stupid guy on stream and everybody's stupid guy on stream and everybody's been like this guy makes me hate men been like this guy makes me hate men been like this guy makes me hate men this guy makes me hate white people that this guy makes me hate white people that this guy makes me hate white people that has never happened but then there's like has never happened but then there's like has never happened but then there's like other women that come on and it's like other women that come on and it's like other women that come on and it's like now I know why incels exist or I totally now I know why incels exist or I totally now I know why incels exist or I totally understand where red pill ideology comes understand where red pill ideology comes understand where red pill ideology comes from you know and even if the statements from you know and even if the statements from you know and even if the statements are kind of true when you're making are kind of true when you're making are kind of true when you're making these observations over and over and these observations over and over and these observations over and over and over and over again it it damages your over and over again it it damages your over and over again it it damages your ability to individually perceive ability to individually perceive ability to individually perceive somebody and then two people that make somebody and then two people that make somebody and then two people that make the same statements one can be perceived the same statements one can be perceived the same statements one can be perceived more harshly just because of that like more harshly just because of that like more harshly just because of that like group bias you've got built up I think group bias you've got built up I think group bias you've got built up I think there's something about streaming that there's something about streaming that there's something about streaming that just brings it out of people like cuz just brings it out of people like cuz just brings it out of people like cuz you have to talk you have to talk you have to talk hours so you're like all right well hours so you're like all right well hours so you're like all right well whatever psychological issues and whatever psychological issues and whatever psychological issues and complexities I have I'm going to explore complexities I have I'm going to explore complexities I have I'm going to explore them magnified magnify and then we're them magnified magnify and then we're them magnified magnify and then we're and then it's the Gerard as you talked and then it's the Gerard as you talked and then it's the Gerard as you talked about the mimetic uh uh Theory so about the mimetic uh uh Theory so about the mimetic uh uh Theory so gerardi and like whatever the things gerardi and like whatever the things gerardi and like whatever the things that are very similar and you're going that are very similar and you're going that are very similar and you're going to magnify the conflicts that you have to magnify the conflicts that you have to magnify the conflicts that you have and you're going to explore the all the and you're going to explore the all the and you're going to explore the all the different perspectives on those different perspectives on those different perspectives on those different conflicts and I mean I don't I different conflicts and I mean I don't I different conflicts and I mean I don't I don't know if it's just anecdotal but don't know if it's just anecdotal but don't know if it's just anecdotal but it's nice to have women on stream and I it's nice to have women on stream and I it's nice to have women on stream and I think the dynamic uh that you guys have think the dynamic uh that you guys have think the dynamic uh that you guys have is is is is wonderful it's it's really is is is is wonderful it's it's really is is is is wonderful it's it's really interesting so yeah it's just the female interesting so yeah it's just the female interesting so yeah it's just the female voice in general I I love having women voice in general I I love having women voice in general I I love having women on the podcast the female voice I feel on the podcast the female voice I feel on the podcast the female voice I feel like is under heard on the internet for

like is under heard on the internet for like is under heard on the internet for sure and I would love the internet to be sure and I would love the internet to be sure and I would love the internet to be a place where women feel safe to speak a place where women feel safe to speak a place where women feel safe to speak all right given that you're like we all right given that you're like we all right given that you're like we talked about a progressive with talked about a progressive with talked about a progressive with non-standard Progressive use so you're non-standard Progressive use so you're non-standard Progressive use so you're very pro- free speech mhm Pro very pro- free speech mhm Pro very pro- free speech mhm Pro capitalism so given that it's very capitalism so given that it's very capitalism so given that it's very interesting that you're also interesting that you're also interesting that you're also pro-establishment and pro institutions pro-establishment and pro institutions pro-establishment and pro institutions MH uh so right now if you look at the MH uh so right now if you look at the MH uh so right now if you look at the world there's a significant distrust of world there's a significant distrust of world there's a significant distrust of Institutions uh at least in sort of Institutions uh at least in sort of Institutions uh at least in sort of public intellectual discourse uh what is public intellectual discourse uh what is public intellectual discourse uh what is the nature of your support for the nature of your support for the nature of your support for government and institutions can you make government and institutions can you make government and institutions can you make the case for and against the case for and against the case for and against them broadly speaking there is a them broadly speaking there is a them broadly speaking there is a synergistic effect when two humans come synergistic effect when two humans come synergistic effect when two humans come together if I can speak very broadly in together if I can speak very broadly in together if I can speak very broadly in terms of we'll say utility okay my terms of we'll say utility okay my terms of we'll say utility okay my happiness with one person might be 10 happiness with one person might be 10 happiness with one person might be 10 the happiness with another person might the happiness with another person might the happiness with another person might be 10 but when they come together it's be 10 but when they come together it's be 10 but when they come together it's like 50 between the two of them there's like 50 between the two of them there's like 50 between the two of them there's like the synergistic effect when humans like the synergistic effect when humans like the synergistic effect when humans work together that the sum is greater work together that the sum is greater work together that the sum is greater than all the individual parts or than all the individual parts or than all the individual parts or whatever there's like an emergent thing whatever there's like an emergent thing whatever there's like an emergent thing that happens there there's a capacity that happens there there's a capacity that happens there there's a capacity there's a possibility of that yeah a there's a possibility of that yeah a there's a possibility of that yeah a possibility sure things could go really possibility sure things could go really possibility sure things could go really wrong there could be a cannibalistic wrong there could be a cannibalistic wrong there could be a cannibalistic tribe that all eats each other sure but tribe that all eats each other sure but tribe that all eats each other sure but for the purpose this there's other for the purpose this there's other for the purpose this there's other failure modes but yes okay sure yeah for failure modes but yes okay sure yeah for failure modes but yes okay sure yeah for the for the but well I think broadly the for the but well I think broadly the for the but well I think broadly speaking you're are you going to be the speaking you're are you going to be the speaking you're are you going to be the well actually guy okay if you want to well actually guy okay if you want to well actually guy okay if you want to well okay well actually well actually well okay well actually well actually well okay well actually well actually cannibalism War Holocaust true yeah cannibalism War Holocaust true yeah cannibalism War Holocaust true yeah sometimes things do go wrong but I think

sometimes things do go wrong but I think sometimes things do go wrong but I think broadly speaking the fact that you're broadly speaking the fact that you're broadly speaking the fact that you're sitting here in clothing that you didn't sitting here in clothing that you didn't sitting here in clothing that you didn't make and I'm sitting here on an airplane make and I'm sitting here on an airplane make and I'm sitting here on an airplane that I don't know how to fly or Bill that I don't know how to fly or Bill that I don't know how to fly or Bill like right there's a lot of cool stuff like right there's a lot of cool stuff like right there's a lot of cool stuff that happens when people come together that happens when people come together that happens when people come together and they make civilizations and part of and they make civilizations and part of and they make civilizations and part of that Civilization build that Civilization build that Civilization build is the fact that we can specialize and is the fact that we can specialize and is the fact that we can specialize and it's the fact that we can offload a it's the fact that we can offload a it's the fact that we can offload a bunch of trust onto third parties that bunch of trust onto third parties that bunch of trust onto third parties that we delegate the power to make important we delegate the power to make important we delegate the power to make important decisions about our lives right I don't decisions about our lives right I don't decisions about our lives right I don't know anything about how to like build know anything about how to like build know anything about how to like build like a combustion engine but I know that like a combustion engine but I know that like a combustion engine but I know that when I push the button on my car it's when I push the button on my car it's when I push the button on my car it's going to drive around and the fumes going to drive around and the fumes going to drive around and the fumes aren't going to kill me and I can park aren't going to kill me and I can park aren't going to kill me and I can park it in garages and the building's not it in garages and the building's not it in garages and the building's not going to collapse and the only reason going to collapse and the only reason going to collapse and the only reason all of this works is because I've all of this works is because I've all of this works is because I've offloaded a lot of trust on these third offloaded a lot of trust on these third offloaded a lot of trust on these third party things and I would say that the party things and I would say that the party things and I would say that the pillars of these third party things that pillars of these third party things that pillars of these third party things that soci is built on are roughly speaking soci is built on are roughly speaking soci is built on are roughly speaking institutions so that might be the institutions so that might be the institutions so that might be the institution of peer review for institution of peer review for institution of peer review for scientific articles um it might be the scientific articles um it might be the scientific articles um it might be the institution of uh voting for government institution of uh voting for government institution of uh voting for government right or or the the the ability for us right or or the the the ability for us right or or the the the ability for us to vote in that whole process it might to vote in that whole process it might to vote in that whole process it might yeah all the FDA like all of these yeah all the FDA like all of these yeah all the FDA like all of these institutions are things that they need institutions are things that they need institutions are things that they need to exist because we don't have the time to exist because we don't have the time to exist because we don't have the time or the capability to individually sort or the capability to individually sort or the capability to individually sort through all of those all of these things through all of those all of these things through all of those all of these things um individually we have to rely on some um individually we have to rely on some um individually we have to rely on some third party to do it okay so you believe third party to do it okay so you believe third party to do it okay so you believe at scale the when we're together we're at scale the when we're together we're at scale the when we're together we're greater than the sum of our parts that's greater than the sum of our parts that's greater than the sum of our parts that's the case for institutions absolutely the case for institutions absolutely the case for institutions absolutely what about the inefficiencies of what about the inefficiencies of what about the inefficiencies of bureaucracy is there some aspect when at bureaucracy is there some aspect when at bureaucracy is there some aspect when at scale different Dynamics come into play scale different Dynamics come into play scale different Dynamics come into play than they do when there's two people

than they do when there's two people than they do when there's two people together two people that love each other together two people that love each other together two people that love each other the birds and the bees m is there some the birds and the bees m is there some the birds and the bees m is there some aspect that leads more to cannibalism at aspect that leads more to cannibalism at aspect that leads more to cannibalism at scale so like corruption inefficiencies scale so like corruption inefficiencies scale so like corruption inefficiencies that due to bureaucracy and so on mhm that due to bureaucracy and so on mhm that due to bureaucracy and so on mhm bureaucracy bureaucracy bureaucracy which is not I hate it when people try which is not I hate it when people try which is not I hate it when people try to say bureaucracy is government because to say bureaucracy is government because to say bureaucracy is government because bureaucracy exists a ton in private bureaucracy exists a ton in private bureaucracy exists a ton in private environments as well right in businesses environments as well right in businesses environments as well right in businesses and everything um bureaucracy introduces and everything um bureaucracy introduces and everything um bureaucracy introduces its own set of problems but I mean a its own set of problems but I mean a its own set of problems but I mean a bureaucracy is necessary because it's bureaucracy is necessary because it's bureaucracy is necessary because it's coordinating all of the underlying coordinating all of the underlying coordinating all of the underlying things in order in order to create things in order in order to create things in order in order to create something that's greater than the sum of something that's greater than the sum of something that's greater than the sum of its parts right like all of the software its parts right like all of the software its parts right like all of the software developers in the world are useless developers in the world are useless developers in the world are useless without being paired with good designers without being paired with good designers without being paired with good designers in order to make their products usable in order to make their products usable in order to make their products usable by a person and the coordination of by a person and the coordination of by a person and the coordination of those people and the coordination of those people and the coordination of those people and the coordination of increasingly more and more things increasingly more and more things increasingly more and more things necessitate some level of bureaucracy I necessitate some level of bureaucracy I necessitate some level of bureaucracy I think we always say bureaucracy when think we always say bureaucracy when think we always say bureaucracy when it's like a bad it's like a slur almost it's like a bad it's like a slur almost it's like a bad it's like a slur almost like you're a a bureaucrat you're like you're a a bureaucrat you're like you're a a bureaucrat you're bureaucratic the bureaucracy is slowing bureaucratic the bureaucracy is slowing bureaucratic the bureaucracy is slowing everything down it's like sure the everything down it's like sure the everything down it's like sure the bureaucracy slows things down but bureaucracy slows things down but bureaucracy slows things down but bureaucracy also gives us things like bureaucracy also gives us things like bureaucracy also gives us things like you know safe medicine and safe water to you know safe medicine and safe water to you know safe medicine and safe water to drink for most of the US or safe drink for most of the US or safe drink for most of the US or safe buildings to live in or safe cars to buildings to live in or safe cars to buildings to live in or safe cars to drive so so the managers in institution drive so so the managers in institution drive so so the managers in institution versus like the software developers and versus like the software developers and versus like the software developers and the designers the managers is the the designers the managers is the the designers the managers is the bureaucracy the the reason bureaucracy bureaucracy the the reason bureaucracy bureaucracy the the reason bureaucracy is used as a slur is that something is used as a slur is that something is used as a slur is that something about human nature leads to bureaucracy about human nature leads to bureaucracy about human nature leads to bureaucracy often often often growing growing indefinitely becoming growing growing indefinitely becoming growing growing indefinitely becoming less and less efficient without a I mean less and less efficient without a I mean less and less efficient without a I mean this is where capitalism can come in this is where capitalism can come in this is where capitalism can come in that uh capitalism puts a pressure on that uh capitalism puts a pressure on that uh capitalism puts a pressure on the bureaucracy not to grow too much

the bureaucracy not to grow too much the bureaucracy not to grow too much because you want the bureaucracy to be because you want the bureaucracy to be because you want the bureaucracy to be useful but not large yeah and to be a useful but not large yeah and to be a useful but not large yeah and to be a certain size yeah of course to be the certain size yeah of course to be the certain size yeah of course to be the minimum size to get the job done and so minimum size to get the job done and so minimum size to get the job done and so capitalism provides that capitalism provides that capitalism provides that mechanism mechanism mechanism government does not always and so that's government does not always and so that's government does not always and so that's the criticism of government of the criticism of government of the criticism of government of Institutions where it can grow without a Institutions where it can grow without a Institutions where it can grow without a significant mechanism that says there's significant mechanism that says there's significant mechanism that says there's a cost to bureaucracy that's not being a cost to bureaucracy that's not being a cost to bureaucracy that's not being accounted for here we're just paying for accounted for here we're just paying for accounted for here we're just paying for the increasing size of government the increasing size of government the increasing size of government without the benefit yeah government is a without the benefit yeah government is a without the benefit yeah government is a special institution because it doesn't special institution because it doesn't special institution because it doesn't have to show itself to be financially V have to show itself to be financially V have to show itself to be financially V and we kind of live in a capitalist and we kind of live in a capitalist and we kind of live in a capitalist economy where that's generally the case economy where that's generally the case economy where that's generally the case so government gets its powers from votes so government gets its powers from votes so government gets its powers from votes from the people which introduces a whole from the people which introduces a whole from the people which introduces a whole new set of possible positives and new set of possible positives and new set of possible positives and possible negatives right having possible negatives right having possible negatives right having something for instance that gives food something for instance that gives food something for instance that gives food or shelter to homeless people maybe you or shelter to homeless people maybe you or shelter to homeless people maybe you don't want that to have to run at a don't want that to have to run at a don't want that to have to run at a profit um but giving you know an profit um but giving you know an profit um but giving you know an organization that can self- justify its organization that can self- justify its organization that can self- justify its budgets perpetually and indefinitely budgets perpetually and indefinitely budgets perpetually and indefinitely growing maybe that's not the best thing growing maybe that's not the best thing growing maybe that's not the best thing yeah we we always have to figure out how yeah we we always have to figure out how yeah we we always have to figure out how to do the constraints there but what to do the constraints there but what to do the constraints there but what about the the corrupting nature of power about the the corrupting nature of power about the the corrupting nature of power that comes with institutions as well that comes with institutions as well that comes with institutions as well absolutely so then you better pick your absolutely so then you better pick your absolutely so then you better pick your your style of institution very carefully your style of institution very carefully your style of institution very carefully I think that the Democratic institution I think that the Democratic institution I think that the Democratic institution we have in the United States today I we have in the United States today I we have in the United States today I think works very well but I mean there think works very well but I mean there think works very well but I mean there are other styles of government that have are other styles of government that have are other styles of government that have been tried in the past that I think lend been tried in the past that I think lend been tried in the past that I think lend themselves more to corruption not to say themselves more to corruption not to say themselves more to corruption not to say that by the way there's not corruption that by the way there's not corruption that by the way there's not corruption in the United States of course there's in the United States of course there's in the United States of course there's going to be varying levels of corruption

going to be varying levels of corruption going to be varying levels of corruption at like all um at all levels but you R at like all um at all levels but you R at like all um at all levels but you R you ran into this interesting problem you ran into this interesting problem you ran into this interesting problem where authoritarian regimes can act with where authoritarian regimes can act with where authoritarian regimes can act with ruthless precision and swiftness because ruthless precision and swiftness because ruthless precision and swiftness because they don't have to ask any questions they don't have to ask any questions they don't have to ask any questions they just do do do do do and that's it they just do do do do do and that's it they just do do do do do and that's it um but the problem is is it's an um but the problem is is it's an um but the problem is is it's an authoritarian regime they're prone to authoritarian regime they're prone to authoritarian regime they're prone to missteps they're slow to respond to missteps they're slow to respond to missteps they're slow to respond to changing or evolving needs there was an changing or evolving needs there was an changing or evolving needs there was an interesting study that was put out a interesting study that was put out a interesting study that was put out a while ago that showed that like every while ago that showed that like every while ago that showed that like every single famine that happened around the single famine that happened around the single famine that happened around the world almost all like 98% of them happen world almost all like 98% of them happen world almost all like 98% of them happen under authoritarian regimes where like under authoritarian regimes where like under authoritarian regimes where like freedom of speech is very limited it's freedom of speech is very limited it's freedom of speech is very limited it's very rare for a famine to happen under very rare for a famine to happen under very rare for a famine to happen under uh democracy because press and uh democracy because press and uh democracy because press and everything makes the government more everything makes the government more everything makes the government more responsive to the needs of the people responsive to the needs of the people responsive to the needs of the people power can corrupt their levels of power can corrupt their levels of power can corrupt their levels of corruption but you have to have like a corruption but you have to have like a corruption but you have to have like a system of checks and balances on on all system of checks and balances on on all system of checks and balances on on all of those different levels to make sure of those different levels to make sure of those different levels to make sure it doesn't run off the rails I guess and it doesn't run off the rails I guess and it doesn't run off the rails I guess and do a sick loop-de-loop and you know half do a sick loop-de-loop and you know half do a sick loop-de-loop and you know half the population gets nice call back the population gets nice call back the population gets nice call back there's a lot of people that that will there's a lot of people that that will there's a lot of people that that will listen to you say that the Democracy in listen to you say that the Democracy in listen to you say that the Democracy in the United States is working pretty damn the United States is working pretty damn the United States is working pretty damn well and and they will spit out the well and and they will spit out the well and and they will spit out the drink if they're drinking a drink and uh drink if they're drinking a drink and uh drink if they're drinking a drink and uh be very upset uh can you make the case be very upset uh can you make the case be very upset uh can you make the case that they're right and you're wrong can that they're right and you're wrong can that they're right and you're wrong can I make the case steel man they're right I make the case steel man they're right I make the case steel man they're right yeah well the Steelman for them is that yeah well the Steelman for them is that yeah well the Steelman for them is that people have a lot of problems on the people have a lot of problems on the people have a lot of problems on the dayto day and when they look and they dayto day and when they look and they dayto day and when they look and they see what government is doing um they see what government is doing um they see what government is doing um they might see potholes outside their house might see potholes outside their house might see potholes outside their house homeless people all over their downtown homeless people all over their downtown homeless people all over their downtown and the United States just approved and the United States just approved and the United States just approved another x billion amount of dollars for another x billion amount of dollars for another x billion amount of dollars for Ukraine or they might be living in a Ukraine or they might be living in a Ukraine or they might be living in a city where half the factories are shut city where half the factories are shut city where half the factories are shut down a lot of their people out of work down a lot of their people out of work down a lot of their people out of work but the president is on the TV talking

but the president is on the TV talking but the president is on the TV talking about how to find jobs for immigrants about how to find jobs for immigrants about how to find jobs for immigrants coming in from Mexico and for these coming in from Mexico and for these coming in from Mexico and for these people they have problems that exist in people they have problems that exist in people they have problems that exist in their lives they're some of them are their lives they're some of them are their lives they're some of them are paying taxes to alleviate these problems paying taxes to alleviate these problems paying taxes to alleviate these problems and then we listen to the when they and then we listen to the when they and then we listen to the when they listen to the government talk feels like listen to the government talk feels like listen to the government talk feels like the government is not responding to the the government is not responding to the the government is not responding to the needs that they have and then that's one needs that they have and then that's one needs that they have and then that's one problem then on top of that you've got problem then on top of that you've got problem then on top of that you've got all of these people working in all of these people working in all of these people working in alternative media that can show you well alternative media that can show you well alternative media that can show you well look at this politician wasting this look at this politician wasting this look at this politician wasting this much money or look at him double much money or look at him double much money or look at him double speaking here or there look at Hillary speaking here or there look at Hillary speaking here or there look at Hillary Clinton saying she's got a private Clinton saying she's got a private Clinton saying she's got a private position and a public position look at position and a public position look at position and a public position look at how all of these politicians have family how all of these politicians have family how all of these politicians have family members that are getting rich because of members that are getting rich because of members that are getting rich because of their relationships with people in their relationships with people in their relationships with people in Congress look at the revolving door Congress look at the revolving door Congress look at the revolving door between uh capitalist companies and the between uh capitalist companies and the between uh capitalist companies and the government how can you look at all of government how can you look at all of government how can you look at all of that take into account that the that take into account that the that take into account that the government's not responding to your government's not responding to your government's not responding to your needs and then really feel like it's a needs and then really feel like it's a needs and then really feel like it's a government by the people and for the government by the people and for the government by the people and for the people yeah this was very good good people yeah this was very good good people yeah this was very good good Steel Man and good question how can you Steel Man and good question how can you Steel Man and good question how can you how can you how can you tell that how can you how can you tell that how can you how can you tell that they're not just politicians that care they're not just politicians that care they're not just politicians that care more about continuously winning the more about continuously winning the more about continuously winning the elections versus being uh running elections versus being uh running elections versus being uh running government effectively they should care government effectively they should care government effectively they should care about winning the elections that's the about winning the elections that's the about winning the elections that's the first misconception a lot of people say first misconception a lot of people say first misconception a lot of people say this guy only cares about getting voted this guy only cares about getting voted this guy only cares about getting voted in this guy like he doesn't even believe in this guy like he doesn't even believe in this guy like he doesn't even believe about in uh in fracking or abortion he about in uh in fracking or abortion he about in uh in fracking or abortion he just changed his opinion to get voted in just changed his opinion to get voted in just changed his opinion to get voted in anytime time somebody says that you anytime time somebody says that you anytime time somebody says that you should say that's really good you want should say that's really good you want should say that's really good you want them to change their opinion so they get them to change their opinion so they get them to change their opinion so they get put it in that's the whole point of a put it in that's the whole point of a put it in that's the whole point of a democracy you don't want them to remain democracy you don't want them to remain democracy you don't want them to remain obstinate you don't want them to say I'm obstinate you don't want them to say I'm obstinate you don't want them to say I'm not changing my opinion no matter what not changing my opinion no matter what not changing my opinion no matter what the people want you want them to evolve the people want you want them to evolve the people want you want them to evolve and adopt new opinions based on what the and adopt new opinions based on what the and adopt new opinions based on what the population their constituents are voting population their constituents are voting population their constituents are voting for yeah but the cynical take is that for yeah but the cynical take is that for yeah but the cynical take is that they're The Sur on the surface they're they're The Sur on the surface they're they're The Sur on the surface they're changing their opinion but that there's changing their opinion but that there's changing their opinion but that there's a boys club where boys means the elite

a boys club where boys means the elite a boys club where boys means the elite that under in the Smoke fi that under in the Smoke fi that under in the Smoke fi rooms uh in secret they actually have rooms uh in secret they actually have rooms uh in secret they actually have their own agenda and they're following their own agenda and they're following their own agenda and they're following that agenda and they're just saying uh that agenda and they're just saying uh that agenda and they're just saying uh anything publicly to Plate the public anything publicly to Plate the public anything publicly to Plate the public based on whatever the the new trends are based on whatever the the new trends are based on whatever the the new trends are soal take a yeah I understand somebody soal take a yeah I understand somebody soal take a yeah I understand somebody asked me this question and it flipped I asked me this question and it flipped I asked me this question and it flipped I I 180 completely um I was a Bernie I 180 completely um I was a Bernie I 180 completely um I was a Bernie Sanders supporter in 2016 and my my Sanders supporter in 2016 and my my Sanders supporter in 2016 and my my single issue voting thing was lobbying I single issue voting thing was lobbying I single issue voting thing was lobbying I thought that lobbying the government was thought that lobbying the government was thought that lobbying the government was corrupt they weren't responding to IND corrupt they weren't responding to IND corrupt they weren't responding to IND people it was completely destroyed my people it was completely destroyed my people it was completely destroyed my faith in government everything and I had faith in government everything and I had faith in government everything and I had one question post me by a conservative one question post me by a conservative one question post me by a conservative that used to come on my stream and chat that used to come on my stream and chat that used to come on my stream and chat with me and he said um I think he asked with me and he said um I think he asked with me and he said um I think he asked me can you think of me can you think of me can you think of any any popular opinion that the any any popular opinion that the any any popular opinion that the American public has that the government American public has that the government American public has that the government is unresponsive to is there some big is unresponsive to is there some big is unresponsive to is there some big piece of legislation or policy or piece of legislation or policy or piece of legislation or policy or whatever that people want that the whatever that people want that the whatever that people want that the government isn't doing when they asked government isn't doing when they asked government isn't doing when they asked me that I couldn't think of a single me that I couldn't think of a single me that I couldn't think of a single good answer and I'm like oh jeez there's good answer and I'm like oh jeez there's good answer and I'm like oh jeez there's a good drugs there's a good drugs there's a good drugs there's not legalization of drug hold on yeah go not legalization of drug hold on yeah go not legalization of drug hold on yeah go for it oh shoot you're doing The Joe for it oh shoot you're doing The Joe for it oh shoot you're doing The Joe Rogan thing you're pushing back cuz I Rogan thing you're pushing back cuz I Rogan thing you're pushing back cuz I brought up weed go go brought up weed go go brought up weed go go ahead I'm sorry I have become ahead I'm sorry I have become ahead I'm sorry I have become meme I don't even I don't want to meme I don't even I don't want to meme I don't even I don't want to interrupt your your because there's interrupt your your because there's interrupt your your because there's memes upon memes upon memes I can go memes upon memes upon memes I can go memes upon memes upon memes I can go with here but uh no uh cuz people bring with here but uh no uh cuz people bring with here but uh no uh cuz people bring up okay there's no issues there's no up okay there's no issues there's no up okay there's no issues there's no issues that the government is not issues that the government is not issues that the government is not representing of of the public so here's representing of of the public so here's representing of of the public so here's the issue so somebody will bring up like the issue so somebody will bring up like the issue so somebody will bring up like what about the legalization of drugs

what about the legalization of drugs what about the legalization of drugs okay the first issue people have is one okay the first issue people have is one okay the first issue people have is one they look at National polling very few they look at National polling very few they look at National polling very few things are decided on a national level things are decided on a national level things are decided on a national level so that's the first huge mistake so that's the first huge mistake so that's the first huge mistake arguably a lot of BLM made mistakes in arguably a lot of BLM made mistakes in arguably a lot of BLM made mistakes in this um Arena where they're saying like this um Arena where they're saying like this um Arena where they're saying like why isn't the government doing anything why isn't the government doing anything why isn't the government doing anything about policing federal government can't about policing federal government can't about policing federal government can't do anything about policing that's going do anything about policing that's going do anything about policing that's going to be your sometimes not even your state to be your sometimes not even your state to be your sometimes not even your state it's your local city government the it's your local city government the it's your local city government the people that like elect like your chief people that like elect like your chief people that like elect like your chief of um police your Police Commissioner of um police your Police Commissioner of um police your Police Commissioner that's coming from your mayor right um that's coming from your mayor right um that's coming from your mayor right um so you've got people looking one at the so you've got people looking one at the so you've got people looking one at the wrong parts of the government to even wrong parts of the government to even wrong parts of the government to even figure out the solution to the problem figure out the solution to the problem figure out the solution to the problem two often times for pulling the two often times for pulling the two often times for pulling the questions are vague enough that you can questions are vague enough that you can questions are vague enough that you can pull very high but when you get into the pull very high but when you get into the pull very high but when you get into the Weeds on things no pun intended um you Weeds on things no pun intended um you Weeds on things no pun intended um you start to realize like oh shoot this is start to realize like oh shoot this is start to realize like oh shoot this is more complicated than I thought I don't more complicated than I thought I don't more complicated than I thought I don't know the numbers in particular for know the numbers in particular for know the numbers in particular for legalization of marijuana but this is legalization of marijuana but this is legalization of marijuana but this is what I'm going to guess is the case if what I'm going to guess is the case if what I'm going to guess is the case if you pull and you say should we legalize you pull and you say should we legalize you pull and you say should we legalize marijuana that number might pull at like marijuana that number might pull at like marijuana that number might pull at like 65 65 65 70% but that's including people that are 70% but that's including people that are 70% but that's including people that are in favor of medical marijuana if you in favor of medical marijuana if you in favor of medical marijuana if you were to pull like should we legalize were to pull like should we legalize were to pull like should we legalize should we decriminalize recreational use should we decriminalize recreational use should we decriminalize recreational use of marijuana that number might drop to of marijuana that number might drop to of marijuana that number might drop to like 52% and then if you pull like like 52% and then if you pull like like 52% and then if you pull like should we completely legalize not just should we completely legalize not just should we completely legalize not just decriminalize but completely legalize decriminalize but completely legalize decriminalize but completely legalize recreational I never mind dropped to recreational I never mind dropped to recreational I never mind dropped to like 40% there's like all these like 40% there's like all these like 40% there's like all these different ways you can pull around different ways you can pull around different ways you can pull around issues where people like oh no we issues where people like oh no we issues where people like oh no we broadly agree on this topic but when you broadly agree on this topic but when you broadly agree on this topic but when you really figure out well do you do we really figure out well do you do we really figure out well do you do we really agree or is there just like broad really agree or is there just like broad really agree or is there just like broad consensus around a thing that's never consensus around a thing that's never consensus around a thing that's never going to show up like in a piece of going to show up like in a piece of going to show up like in a piece of legislation a really good example one legislation a really good example one legislation a really good example one example I do know is socialized example I do know is socialized example I do know is socialized Healthcare I think if you pull there was Healthcare I think if you pull there was Healthcare I think if you pull there was a time a few years ago where if you pull a time a few years ago where if you pull a time a few years ago where if you pull America do you think every American America do you think every American America do you think every American citizen should have access to uh like

citizen should have access to uh like citizen should have access to uh like free healthcare I think that answer that free healthcare I think that answer that free healthcare I think that answer that pulled it like 74% yes but when you pulled it like 74% yes but when you pulled it like 74% yes but when you asked should the government be the Sole asked should the government be the Sole asked should the government be the Sole Provider of healthcare it dropped to Provider of healthcare it dropped to Provider of healthcare it dropped to like 26% dropped 50 points and you could like 26% dropped 50 points and you could like 26% dropped 50 points and you could see it was both asking questions about see it was both asking questions about see it was both asking questions about Single Payer but the way that it was Single Payer but the way that it was Single Payer but the way that it was asked was so different that even if you asked was so different that even if you asked was so different that even if you all it looks like there's consensus all it looks like there's consensus all it looks like there's consensus there's not nearly as much consensus as there's not nearly as much consensus as there's not nearly as much consensus as people think around certain ideas yeah people think around certain ideas yeah people think around certain ideas yeah go we you're right you're right you're go we you're right you're right you're go we you're right you're right you're right you're right that polls the way right you're right that polls the way right you're right that polls the way you ask the polls really matters but you ask the polls really matters but you ask the polls really matters but when you ask should the government be in when you ask should the government be in when you ask should the government be in charge of a thing that also biases the charge of a thing that also biases the charge of a thing that also biases the answer right that like because such a answer right that like because such a answer right that like because such a Negative experience with government Negative experience with government Negative experience with government creating a.gov site that runs the thing creating a.gov site that runs the thing creating a.gov site that runs the thing but sometimes sometimes I think if you but sometimes sometimes I think if you but sometimes sometimes I think if you dig in if you have a one-hour dig in if you have a one-hour dig in if you have a one-hour conversation with each individual conversation with each individual conversation with each individual citizen sure I think you will understand citizen sure I think you will understand citizen sure I think you will understand that yes there's support for socialized that yes there's support for socialized that yes there's support for socialized medicine like it's not the argument has medicine like it's not the argument has medicine like it's not the argument has to be made though yeah what do you mean to be made though yeah what do you mean to be made though yeah what do you mean the argument has to be made like if you the argument has to be made like if you the argument has to be made like if you just ask a conservative like what about just ask a conservative like what about just ask a conservative like what about Single Payer they're going to tell you Single Payer they're going to tell you Single Payer they're going to tell you no you might be able to build up to an no you might be able to build up to an no you might be able to build up to an argument for it but you're going to have argument for it but you're going to have argument for it but you're going to have to make the case for it I thought we to make the case for it I thought we to make the case for it I thought we were talking about the feeling deep were talking about the feeling deep were talking about the feeling deep inside your mind and heart does the inside your mind and heart does the inside your mind and heart does the government represent that oh so it's not government represent that oh so it's not government represent that oh so it's not like some shallow surface layer public like some shallow surface layer public like some shallow surface layer public opinion does the government effectively opinion does the government effectively opinion does the government effectively represent what the people want not a represent what the people want not a represent what the people want not a shallow survey but deeply what they want shallow survey but deeply what they want shallow survey but deeply what they want I'm not actually that familiar with with I'm not actually that familiar with with I'm not actually that familiar with with the debates over Healthcare but let's

the debates over Healthcare but let's the debates over Healthcare but let's maybe look at an easier one maybe you'll maybe look at an easier one maybe you'll maybe look at an easier one maybe you'll say it's harder war war is really good say it's harder war war is really good say it's harder war war is really good example where the government was very example where the government was very example where the government was very responsive I think to the people you responsive I think to the people you responsive I think to the people you think so so Iraq think so so Iraq think so so Iraq Afghanistan the government didn't Afghanistan the government didn't Afghanistan the government didn't manipulate public opinion there's an manipulate public opinion there's an manipulate public opinion there's an argument to be made that they did in argument to be made that they did in argument to be made that they did in terms of like wmd and everything but terms of like wmd and everything but terms of like wmd and everything but after 911 were you in the United States after 911 were you in the United States after 911 were you in the United States after 911 after 911 I leg seems after 911 after 911 I leg seems after 911 after 911 I leg seems accusatory like where were you in accusatory like where were you in accusatory like where were you in 911 just checking okay all right cool I 911 just checking okay all right cool I 911 just checking okay all right cool I have evidence and uh Witnesses no okay have evidence and uh Witnesses no okay have evidence and uh Witnesses no okay all right I'm very defensive right now all right I'm very defensive right now all right I'm very defensive right now it's very strange look look into it it's very strange look look into it it's very strange look look into it Alexon but I think after 911 we could Alexon but I think after 911 we could Alexon but I think after 911 we could have gone to Country we could have gone have gone to Country we could have gone have gone to Country we could have gone to war with any country in the world we to war with any country in the world we to war with any country in the world we would have we were ready because all of would have we were ready because all of would have we were ready because all of America was like oh my God and they America was like oh my God and they America was like oh my God and they pointed to Iraq and you know the reasons pointed to Iraq and you know the reasons pointed to Iraq and you know the reasons for the wmds was kind of dumb but I for the wmds was kind of dumb but I for the wmds was kind of dumb but I don't think we even needed wmds to go to don't think we even needed wmds to go to don't think we even needed wmds to go to Iraq we could have just said you know Iraq we could have just said you know Iraq we could have just said you know Saddam Hussein was giving Medical Aid to Saddam Hussein was giving Medical Aid to Saddam Hussein was giving Medical Aid to Taliban Al-Qaeda Iraq let's go and we Taliban Al-Qaeda Iraq let's go and we Taliban Al-Qaeda Iraq let's go and we would have gone for it but um post Iraq would have gone for it but um post Iraq would have gone for it but um post Iraq Iraq was for a while popular and then Iraq was for a while popular and then Iraq was for a while popular and then became obvious viously deeply unpopular became obvious viously deeply unpopular became obvious viously deeply unpopular Iraq and Afghanistan and I think you Iraq and Afghanistan and I think you Iraq and Afghanistan and I think you could see that influence other foreign could see that influence other foreign could see that influence other foreign policy that the United States had for policy that the United States had for policy that the United States had for instance we opted more towards like instance we opted more towards like instance we opted more towards like drone Warfare than troops on the ground drone Warfare than troops on the ground drone Warfare than troops on the ground for places like Yemen um we opted more for places like Yemen um we opted more for places like Yemen um we opted more towards like kind of like sending money towards like kind of like sending money towards like kind of like sending money and help instead of boots on the ground and help instead of boots on the ground and help instead of boots on the ground for places like Syria um and I think for places like Syria um and I think for places like Syria um and I think that a lot of that was kind of in that a lot of that was kind of in that a lot of that was kind of in response to how unpopular the Iraq stuff response to how unpopular the Iraq stuff response to how unpopular the Iraq stuff had became and when you looked at a lot had became and when you looked at a lot had became and when you looked at a lot of Elections afterwards even for Obama of Elections afterwards even for Obama of Elections afterwards even for Obama like one of the defining characteristics

like one of the defining characteristics like one of the defining characteristics of a lot of campaigns were like I'm of a lot of campaigns were like I'm of a lot of campaigns were like I'm going to close Guantanamo Bay I'm going going to close Guantanamo Bay I'm going going to close Guantanamo Bay I'm going to get us out of Foreign Wars even up to to get us out of Foreign Wars even up to to get us out of Foreign Wars even up to Trump I'm going to you know I'm not Trump I'm going to you know I'm not Trump I'm going to you know I'm not going to stop doing all this weird stuff going to stop doing all this weird stuff going to stop doing all this weird stuff in the Middle East but they didn't still in the Middle East but they didn't still in the Middle East but they didn't still withdraw from Afghanistan they didn't withdraw from Afghanistan they didn't withdraw from Afghanistan they didn't withdraw but they definitely like withdraw but they definitely like withdraw but they definitely like tapered off and weren't like as tapered off and weren't like as tapered off and weren't like as aggressively pushing those types of aggressively pushing those types of aggressively pushing those types of conflicts because they knew it was conflicts because they knew it was conflicts because they knew it was unpopular but I think if you also unpopular but I think if you also unpopular but I think if you also consider perfect information or or good consider perfect information or or good consider perfect information or or good information if you ask a lot of information if you ask a lot of information if you ask a lot of people are you okay spending this amount people are you okay spending this amount people are you okay spending this amount of money for this purpose so military of money for this purpose so military of money for this purpose so military conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan I think conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan I think conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan I think almost from the very beginning they almost from the very beginning they almost from the very beginning they would say no would say no would say no after 911 I feel like maybe like a few after 911 I feel like maybe like a few after 911 I feel like maybe like a few days after 911 like well there's there's some memes and like well there's there's some memes and so on yes but the nature of the public so on yes but the nature of the public so on yes but the nature of the public support for the support for the support for the war was there public support in 2003 war was there public support in 2003 war was there public support in 2003 which is when when The Invasion happened which is when when The Invasion happened which is when when The Invasion happened I feel like initially there was a lot I I feel like initially there was a lot I I feel like initially there was a lot I remember seeing it on but then I also remember seeing it on but then I also remember seeing it on but then I also lived in a republican household and I lived in a republican household and I lived in a republican household and I was not very like media Savvy at the was not very like media Savvy at the was not very like media Savvy at the time so my par I don't know if the time so my par I don't know if the time so my par I don't know if the nature of that public support had to do nature of that public support had to do nature of that public support had to do with wmds or with 911 cuz the weird came with wmds or with 911 cuz the weird came with wmds or with 911 cuz the weird came about w Ms but I wonder what what is the about w Ms but I wonder what what is the about w Ms but I wonder what what is the if you were to PLL people and let's say if you were to PLL people and let's say if you were to PLL people and let's say hypothetically there was above 50% hypothetically there was above 50% hypothetically there was above 50% support for the war what would be the support for the war what would be the support for the war what would be the nature of that support uh and to to what nature of that support uh and to to what nature of that support uh and to to what degree is the government actually degree is the government actually degree is the government actually representing the will of the people representing the will of the people representing the will of the people versus some complex mechanism like the versus some complex mechanism like the versus some complex mechanism like the military-industrial complex is military-industrial complex is military-industrial complex is manipulating The Narrative that's manipulating The Narrative that's manipulating The Narrative that's controlling public opinion and then

controlling public opinion and then controlling public opinion and then there's the media that uh gets a lot of there's the media that uh gets a lot of there's the media that uh gets a lot of attention by being divided and how attention by being divided and how attention by being divided and how they're shaping The Narrative through they're shaping The Narrative through they're shaping The Narrative through the mechanism of division so what the mechanism of division so what the mechanism of division so what there's a lot of complicated things at there's a lot of complicated things at there's a lot of complicated things at it's not just like the people and then it's not just like the people and then it's not just like the people and then the government and that that's yeah for the government and that that's yeah for the government and that that's yeah for sure I agree that there are going to be sure I agree that there are going to be sure I agree that there are going to be different elements at play and and how different elements at play and and how different elements at play and and how much of those elements that lead us much of those elements that lead us much of those elements that lead us astray can be attributed to the largess astray can be attributed to the largess astray can be attributed to the largess of the different systems so and the of the different systems so and the of the different systems so and the different institutions like the the different institutions like the the different institutions like the the media institutions and government the media institutions and government the media institutions and government the institutions that have a monopoly on institutions that have a monopoly on institutions that have a monopoly on violence let's put it this way which is violence let's put it this way which is violence let's put it this way which is what one way to define government sure what one way to define government sure what one way to define government sure it's complicated um there's definitely it's complicated um there's definitely it's complicated um there's definitely going to be different institutions at going to be different institutions at going to be different institutions at play I but I think that like all I would play I but I think that like all I would play I but I think that like all I would say is like in reference to my original say is like in reference to my original say is like in reference to my original point when there becomes like broad point when there becomes like broad point when there becomes like broad consensus around a thing I think the consensus around a thing I think the consensus around a thing I think the government will usually follow it's not government will usually follow it's not government will usually follow it's not going to fight it's going to follow more going to fight it's going to follow more going to fight it's going to follow more often than not um but I think that a lot often than not um but I think that a lot often than not um but I think that a lot of times I think Americans think that of times I think Americans think that of times I think Americans think that there's more consensus around certain there's more consensus around certain there's more consensus around certain issues than there actually are um so issues than there actually are um so issues than there actually are um so like a really good example we're on that like a really good example we're on that like a really good example we're on that war Point too um war Point too um war Point too um what caused like the lowest dip in what caused like the lowest dip in what caused like the lowest dip in Biden's approval rating I'm pretty sure Biden's approval rating I'm pretty sure Biden's approval rating I'm pretty sure it was right after we pulled out of it was right after we pulled out of it was right after we pulled out of Afghanistan which I think if I would Afghanistan which I think if I would Afghanistan which I think if I would have asked people like a year before have asked people like a year before have asked people like a year before like let's assume that we could pull out like let's assume that we could pull out like let's assume that we could pull out of Afghanistan um the government's of Afghanistan um the government's of Afghanistan um the government's probably going to collapse after we probably going to collapse after we probably going to collapse after we leave because they just don't have the leave because they just don't have the leave because they just don't have the will to fight they don't have the will to fight they don't have the will to fight they don't have the support they don't whatever it's just support they don't whatever it's just support they don't whatever it's just not going to work but like no Americans not going to work but like no Americans not going to work but like no Americans are going to die may be a couple other are going to die may be a couple other are going to die may be a couple other people but like no americ are going to people but like no americ are going to people but like no americ are going to die we're going to get Afghanistan would die we're going to get Afghanistan would die we're going to get Afghanistan would you support that I think broadly you support that I think broadly you support that I think broadly speaking I think I think like more than

speaking I think I think like more than speaking I think I think like more than 60 or 70% of Americans are like yeah 60 or 70% of Americans are like yeah 60 or 70% of Americans are like yeah that would be fine but then when it that would be fine but then when it that would be fine but then when it actually plays on TV when we see the actually plays on TV when we see the actually plays on TV when we see the people hanging on to the planes when we people hanging on to the planes when we people hanging on to the planes when we see like helicopter Embassy some of the see like helicopter Embassy some of the see like helicopter Embassy some of the quotes from politicians well now it's quotes from politicians well now it's quotes from politicians well now it's like oh my God this was horrible and it like oh my God this was horrible and it like oh my God this was horrible and it was so botched and it was so like it was so botched and it was so like it was so botched and it was so like it could have gone so much better like well could have gone so much better like well could have gone so much better like well could it have gone better like maybe could it have gone better like maybe could it have gone better like maybe maybe not but I mean it seems like they maybe not but I mean it seems like they maybe not but I mean it seems like they you can have consensus around a certain you can have consensus around a certain you can have consensus around a certain opinion but the way that things play out opinion but the way that things play out opinion but the way that things play out and the way that people actually feel and the way that people actually feel and the way that people actually feel it's actually way way way more it's actually way way way more it's actually way way way more complicated and there's not usually this complicated and there's not usually this complicated and there's not usually this broad consensus opinion when or yeah go broad consensus opinion when or yeah go broad consensus opinion when or yeah go ahead I'd like to believe that I mean ahead I'd like to believe that I mean ahead I'd like to believe that I mean just to lay my cards on the just to lay my cards on the just to lay my cards on the table I have uh faith in the power of table I have uh faith in the power of table I have uh faith in the power of Effective Government MH I Effective Government MH I Effective Government MH I just have um a lot of concern about what just have um a lot of concern about what just have um a lot of concern about what happens as institutions grow in size for happens as institutions grow in size for happens as institutions grow in size for sure and I just have a lot of worry sure and I just have a lot of worry sure and I just have a lot of worry about the natural corrupting influence about the natural corrupting influence about the natural corrupting influence on the individuals and on the system as on the individuals and on the system as on the individuals and on the system as a whole like the the boys club nature of a whole like the the boys club nature of a whole like the the boys club nature of it I don't know there must be a better it I don't know there must be a better it I don't know there must be a better term but basically they term but basically they term but basically they they agree to the game and they play the they agree to the game and they play the they agree to the game and they play the game and there's a generational aspect game and there's a generational aspect game and there's a generational aspect momentum to the game and they more and momentum to the game and they more and momentum to the game and they more and more stop being responsive to the people more stop being responsive to the people more stop being responsive to the people that they represent I just feel like that they represent I just feel like that they represent I just feel like there is that mechanism and I think the there is that mechanism and I think the there is that mechanism and I think the nice thing democracy elections are nice thing democracy elections are nice thing democracy elections are resistance to that natural human resistance to that natural human resistance to that natural human mechanism um also the balances of power mechanism um also the balances of power mechanism um also the balances of power is a resistance to that mechanism in is a resistance to that mechanism in is a resistance to that mechanism in some ways the media that reveals the some ways the media that reveals the some ways the media that reveals the bullshit of politicians is also a

bullshit of politicians is also a bullshit of politicians is also a resistance to that mechanism it's it's resistance to that mechanism it's it's resistance to that mechanism it's it's hard to be full of shit as a politician hard to be full of shit as a politician hard to be full of shit as a politician cuz people will try to catch you on it cuz people will try to catch you on it cuz people will try to catch you on it so there's a honesty method there that so there's a honesty method there that so there's a honesty method there that keeps you honest it's to some degree but keeps you honest it's to some degree but keeps you honest it's to some degree but it still feels it still feels it still feels like it still feels like politicians are like it still feels like politicians are like it still feels like politicians are going to going to going to politici yeah they definitely play their politici yeah they definitely play their politici yeah they definitely play their games that is true there's probably games that is true there's probably games that is true there's probably always going to be that meta narrative always going to be that meta narrative always going to be that meta narrative over like governance that just develops over like governance that just develops over like governance that just develops as like you have to form relationships as like you have to form relationships as like you have to form relationships and play games to get legislation passed and play games to get legislation passed and play games to get legislation passed and everything the the only reason why I and everything the the only reason why I and everything the the only reason why I don't like it when people attack don't like it when people attack don't like it when people attack institutions is because one institutions institutions is because one institutions institutions is because one institutions are incredibly important arguably are incredibly important arguably are incredibly important arguably Paramount no they are to keeping Society Paramount no they are to keeping Society Paramount no they are to keeping Society Running and two I think sometimes when Running and two I think sometimes when Running and two I think sometimes when we shift the blame onto institutions too we shift the blame onto institutions too we shift the blame onto institutions too much I think that we lose sight of what much I think that we lose sight of what much I think that we lose sight of what the real problems are so for instance in the real problems are so for instance in the real problems are so for instance in the United States today people might be the United States today people might be the United States today people might be very critical of the government not very critical of the government not very critical of the government not getting much done but then everybody getting much done but then everybody getting much done but then everybody turns their eyes to the government for turns their eyes to the government for turns their eyes to the government for being ineffective but what I would argue being ineffective but what I would argue being ineffective but what I would argue is I would say the government is is I would say the government is is I would say the government is actually incredibly effective and it's actually incredibly effective and it's actually incredibly effective and it's showcasing the will of the American showcasing the will of the American showcasing the will of the American people really well right now which is we people really well right now which is we people really well right now which is we are historically more divided than we are historically more divided than we are historically more divided than we have ever been and if I were to just have ever been and if I were to just have ever been and if I were to just look at the people and I would say we look at the people and I would say we look at the people and I would say we have a historic divide that is getting have a historic divide that is getting have a historic divide that is getting like rapidly blown apart by things like like rapidly blown apart by things like like rapidly blown apart by things like the internet and the media right if that the internet and the media right if that the internet and the media right if that exist well what would I expect that exist well what would I expect that exist well what would I expect that government to look like I wouldn't government to look like I wouldn't government to look like I wouldn't expect that government to be governing expect that government to be governing expect that government to be governing very effective I would expect that very effective I would expect that very effective I would expect that government to show that legitimate government to show that legitimate government to show that legitimate divide in people do you think that divide in people do you think that divide in people do you think that divide we have a perception of a large divide we have a perception of a large divide we have a perception of a large divide between left and right do you divide between left and right do you divide between left and right do you think that's a divide this in this

think that's a divide this in this think that's a divide this in this country narrow the language what do you country narrow the language what do you country narrow the language what do you mean by real mean by real mean by real divide do you think there is that divide divide do you think there is that divide divide do you think there is that divide in ideology that there's a large number in ideology that there's a large number in ideology that there's a large number of people that believe a certain set of of people that believe a certain set of of people that believe a certain set of policies and the different set of policies and the different set of policies and the different set of policies just the perception of the on policies just the perception of the on policies just the perception of the on on Twitter no I think there is a large on Twitter no I think there is a large on Twitter no I think there is a large divide in terms of belief I don't think divide in terms of belief I don't think divide in terms of belief I don't think there's very much divide between any there's very much divide between any there's very much divide between any people in terms of like what they like people in terms of like what they like people in terms of like what they like on the most fundamental levels want in on the most fundamental levels want in on the most fundamental levels want in terms of like human beings but in terms terms of like human beings but in terms terms of like human beings but in terms of like Democrat versus Republican right of like Democrat versus Republican right of like Democrat versus Republican right now I think there is a huge divide in now I think there is a huge divide in now I think there is a huge divide in terms of the direction they want to see terms of the direction they want to see terms of the direction they want to see the country go and what they believe the country go and what they believe the country go and what they believe really and what they even believe is really and what they even believe is really and what they even believe is reality right unfortunately that's where reality right unfortunately that's where reality right unfortunately that's where we've gotten to can I just speak about we've gotten to can I just speak about we've gotten to can I just speak about the mechanism of the left and right here the mechanism of the left and right here the mechanism of the left and right here maybe on the mimic raly aspect is there maybe on the mimic raly aspect is there maybe on the mimic raly aspect is there some aspect to the left on which you're some aspect to the left on which you're some aspect to the left on which you're a part of that attacks their a part of that attacks their a part of that attacks their own for ideological impurity more than own for ideological impurity more than own for ideological impurity more than the right does is it the bigotry of the right does is it the bigotry of the right does is it the bigotry of small differences there's a name there's small differences there's a name there's small differences there's a name there's a concept where um when you're near a concept where um when you're near a concept where um when you're near somebody who is very slightly different somebody who is very slightly different somebody who is very slightly different than you you want to destroy but when than you you want to destroy but when than you you want to destroy but when you're with somebody that's way you're with somebody that's way you're with somebody that's way different than you you don't um I think different than you you don't um I think different than you you don't um I think the left does it but I think the right the left does it but I think the right the left does it but I think the right does it too I didn't realize it until I does it too I didn't realize it until I does it too I didn't realize it until I started dipping more into conservative started dipping more into conservative started dipping more into conservative communities but oh my God the people communities but oh my God the people communities but oh my God the people from The Daily wire and the people from from The Daily wire and the people from from The Daily wire and the people from turning point and um the America First turning point and um the America First turning point and um the America First all the all these different groups of all the all these different groups of all the all these different groups of people hate each other and they fight people hate each other and they fight people hate each other and they fight each other so much they hire and fire each other so much they hire and fire each other so much they hire and fire sometimes employees they talk smack sometimes employees they talk smack sometimes employees they talk smack about each other um I think there's a about each other um I think there's a about each other um I think there's a lot of political division between both lot of political division between both lot of political division between both sides I think that the left just kind of sides I think that the left just kind of sides I think that the left just kind of gets highlighted more because it's like gets highlighted more because it's like gets highlighted more because it's like the internet and a lot of the internet the internet and a lot of the internet the internet and a lot of the internet spaces have a lot of left laning people spaces have a lot of left laning people spaces have a lot of left laning people so you see like the crazy communist and so you see like the crazy communist and so you see like the crazy communist and the crazy progressives and the crazy

the crazy progressives and the crazy the crazy progressives and the crazy Center left liberals and the crazy blah Center left liberals and the crazy blah Center left liberals and the crazy blah blah blah whereas like a lot of the blah blah whereas like a lot of the blah blah whereas like a lot of the right- Ling people have kind of been right- Ling people have kind of been right- Ling people have kind of been pushed off of the main areas of the pushed off of the main areas of the pushed off of the main areas of the internet now interesting my sense was internet now interesting my sense was internet now interesting my sense was that it's hard to exist on the center that it's hard to exist on the center that it's hard to exist on the center left but maybe because I just don't have left but maybe because I just don't have left but maybe because I just don't have the full spectrum view of the political the full spectrum view of the political the full spectrum view of the political divide it felt like Central left is a divide it felt like Central left is a divide it felt like Central left is a difficult position to occupy current difficult position to occupy current difficult position to occupy current yeah I would definitely say so yeah I yeah I would definitely say so yeah I yeah I would definitely say so yeah I don't know if it's that difficult to be don't know if it's that difficult to be don't know if it's that difficult to be center it's very difficult to be center center it's very difficult to be center center it's very difficult to be center right I think actually maybe even more right I think actually maybe even more right I think actually maybe even more difficult because a center right person difficult because a center right person difficult because a center right person might be somebody who's like might be somebody who's like might be somebody who's like conservative but not a fan of trump and conservative but not a fan of trump and conservative but not a fan of trump and you're like over like look like Liz you're like over like look like Liz you're like over like look like Liz Cheney right you've had politicians that Cheney right you've had politicians that Cheney right you've had politicians that are just like they didn't back the Trump are just like they didn't back the Trump are just like they didn't back the Trump stuff and now they're gone or you might stuff and now they're gone or you might stuff and now they're gone or you might be like center right but like you don't be like center right but like you don't be like center right but like you don't think the election was stolen and now think the election was stolen and now think the election was stolen and now you're like half the Republican part is you're like half the Republican part is you're like half the Republican part is looking at you're like you're crazy you looking at you're like you're crazy you looking at you're like you're crazy you know um that's true that's true I think know um that's true that's true I think know um that's true that's true I think uh Ben be who I'm talking with I think uh Ben be who I'm talking with I think uh Ben be who I'm talking with I think he publicly spoke against Trump right he he publicly spoke against Trump right he he publicly spoke against Trump right he did initially but I feel like he did initially but I feel like he did initially but I feel like he softened his language up on him pretty softened his language up on him pretty softened his language up on him pretty significantly but so there's a sign significantly but so there's a sign significantly but so there's a sign pressure to kind of to a certain kind of pressure to kind of to a certain kind of pressure to kind of to a certain kind of messaging which the whole Republican messaging which the whole Republican messaging which the whole Republican party is feeling right now jeez that two party is feeling right now jeez that two party is feeling right now jeez that two years from now that election is going to years from now that election is going to years from now that election is going to be insane it's just hard okay so to be insane it's just hard okay so to be insane it's just hard okay so to generalize it's hard to be in the center generalize it's hard to be in the center generalize it's hard to be in the center it feels like for sure just Center and it feels like for sure just Center and it feels like for sure just Center and then like do like a random then like do like a random then like do like a random walk among the policies around that I walk among the policies around that I walk among the policies around that I don't know what that mechanism is I mean don't know what that mechanism is I mean don't know what that mechanism is I mean it makes people like me not feel good MH it makes people like me not feel good MH it makes people like me not feel good MH being in the center it seems like people being in the center it seems like people being in the center it seems like people are just not nice to people in the are just not nice to people in the are just not nice to people in the center center center like the the public uh the Twitter

like the the public uh the Twitter like the the public uh the Twitter machine is not nice to people who are machine is not nice to people who are machine is not nice to people who are open-minded in the center is that is open-minded in the center is that is open-minded in the center is that is there some truth to that two reasons for there some truth to that two reasons for there some truth to that two reasons for that one is because I think a lot of that one is because I think a lot of that one is because I think a lot of people that market themselves as Center people that market themselves as Center people that market themselves as Center are legitimately spineless cowards and are legitimately spineless cowards and are legitimately spineless cowards and deserve to be called out like like I've deserve to be called out like like I've deserve to be called out like like I've never killed a man but today might be my never killed a man but today might be my never killed a man but today might be my first oh no um there I'll take over like first oh no um there I'll take over like first oh no um there I'll take over like I told you I'll take over your stream I told you I'll take over your stream I told you I'll take over your stream with the AI we'll see is the Zach guy with the AI we'll see is the Zach guy with the AI we'll see is the Zach guy going to be streaming in the background going to be streaming in the background going to be streaming in the background okay gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha lots of okay gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha lots of okay gotcha gotcha gotcha gotcha lots of gotas lots of gotchas okay got okay gotas lots of gotchas okay got okay gotas lots of gotchas okay got okay gotcha and decrease the amount which gotcha and decrease the amount which gotcha and decrease the amount which already is a pretty low level of emotion already is a pretty low level of emotion already is a pretty low level of emotion just decreas it completely when people just decreas it completely when people just decreas it completely when people are screaming at you and accusing stuff are screaming at you and accusing stuff are screaming at you and accusing stuff just remain calm absolutely emotionless just remain calm absolutely emotionless just remain calm absolutely emotionless the gaslighter strategy yeah okay so the gaslighter strategy yeah okay so the gaslighter strategy yeah okay so what we're talking about so I I don't uh what we're talking about so I I don't uh what we're talking about so I I don't uh I don't even I don't ever identify a I don't even I don't ever identify a I don't even I don't ever identify a center anything because it's got such a center anything because it's got such a center anything because it's got such a bad reputation because fuck that I stand bad reputation because fuck that I stand bad reputation because fuck that I stand center with a spine it's called being center with a spine it's called being center with a spine it's called being open-minded and it's not Center left and open-minded and it's not Center left and open-minded and it's not Center left and right those are just labels here's a right those are just labels here's a right those are just labels here's a really good quote my mom said to me when really good quote my mom said to me when really good quote my mom said to me when I was really young she said Stevie don't I was really young she said Stevie don't I was really young she said Stevie don't ever let your mind be so open that your ever let your mind be so open that your ever let your mind be so open that your brain falls out and that's what I find brain falls out and that's what I find brain falls out and that's what I find that a lot of Center people do that's that a lot of Center people do that's that a lot of Center people do that's not what she told me last night why are not what she told me last night why are not what she told me last night why are you like you like you like this I'm sorry man okay I'm glad I can this I'm sorry man okay I'm glad I can this I'm sorry man okay I'm glad I can glad I can bring that I'm glad you feel glad I can bring that I'm glad you feel glad I can bring that I'm glad you feel like this is safe space like I said like this is safe space like I said like this is safe space like I said people non judgmental if you want to people non judgmental if you want to people non judgmental if you want to talk about fucking my mom you know what talk about fucking my mom you know what talk about fucking my mom you know what you're totally within your rights I you're totally within your rights I you're totally within your rights I didn't say you said that I support that didn't say you said that I support that didn't say you said that I support that she's a beautiful woman uh her husband she's a beautiful woman uh her husband she's a beautiful woman uh her husband probably wouldn't be too happy about it

probably wouldn't be too happy about it probably wouldn't be too happy about it but you know I didn't say there's any but you know I didn't say there's any but you know I didn't say there's any sexual relations I it was just that sexual relations I it was just that sexual relations I it was just that having a conversation with her you having a conversation with her you having a conversation with her you projected that that says more about you projected that that says more about you projected that that says more about you than me anyway go ahead about spineless than me anyway go ahead about spineless than me anyway go ahead about spineless Center spineless Center there is some Center spineless Center there is some Center spineless Center there is some aspect to that which is like Amorphis to aspect to that which is like Amorphis to aspect to that which is like Amorphis to me Center means you you think freely me Center means you you think freely me Center means you you think freely about each individual policy without about each individual policy without about each individual policy without being stuck to a c some ideal yeah but a being stuck to a c some ideal yeah but a being stuck to a c some ideal yeah but a lot of people don't do that they call lot of people don't do that they call lot of people don't do that they call themselves Centrist but then they just themselves Centrist but then they just themselves Centrist but then they just they're anti establishment essentially they're anti establishment essentially they're anti establishment essentially on everything I don't know your position on everything I don't know your position on everything I don't know your position on like the vaccines or anything um but on like the vaccines or anything um but on like the vaccines or anything um but like I met a lot of like free and open like I met a lot of like free and open like I met a lot of like free and open thinkers who are like you know what I'm thinkers who are like you know what I'm thinkers who are like you know what I'm open to everything and it's an open to everything and it's an open to everything and it's an experimental vaccine and I'm going to experimental vaccine and I'm going to experimental vaccine and I'm going to eat hydroxy Clarin and Ivermectin eat hydroxy Clarin and Ivermectin eat hydroxy Clarin and Ivermectin because that's what the institutions are because that's what the institutions are because that's what the institutions are telling me not to take and I think telling me not to take and I think telling me not to take and I think fouchy got too much money from that fouchy got too much money from that fouchy got too much money from that company and these are but I'm an open company and these are but I'm an open company and these are but I'm an open thinker and I'm and they what what open thinker and I'm and they what what open thinker and I'm and they what what open thinker BEC I'm an MIT what do you think thinker BEC I'm an MIT what do you think thinker BEC I'm an MIT what do you think my position of vaccines is exactly I my position of vaccines is exactly I my position of vaccines is exactly I hear a lot of crazy things from a lot of hear a lot of crazy things from a lot of hear a lot of crazy things from a lot of people okay you might be from MIT but I people okay you might be from MIT but I people okay you might be from MIT but I know you're from the internet okay know you're from the internet okay know you're from the internet okay people from the internet are weird and people from the internet are weird and people from the internet are weird and crazy so so yeah well I uh who knows I crazy so so yeah well I uh who knows I crazy so so yeah well I uh who knows I don't like arrogance and I have don't like arrogance and I have don't like arrogance and I have criticized scientists during Co a lot of criticized scientists during Co a lot of criticized scientists during Co a lot of people but scientists included having people but scientists included having people but scientists included having arrogance which is fair but and that's arrogance which is fair but and that's arrogance which is fair but and that's and I think there's a lot of good and I think there's a lot of good and I think there's a lot of good criticism to be made of different um criticism to be made of different um criticism to be made of different um scientific and medical establishments scientific and medical establishments scientific and medical establishments over a lot of stuff but nobody can make over a lot of stuff but nobody can make over a lot of stuff but nobody can make those good criticisms because they're those good criticisms because they're those good criticisms because they're too like obsessed over like just trying too like obsessed over like just trying too like obsessed over like just trying to have the anti-establishment answer to have the anti-establishment answer to have the anti-establishment answer and that is what is upsetting me the and that is what is upsetting me the and that is what is upsetting me the most like I think there are good most like I think there are good most like I think there are good conversations to be had about a lot of conversations to be had about a lot of conversations to be had about a lot of stuff related to how we handled the

stuff related to how we handled the stuff related to how we handled the Corona virus you know were lockdowns Corona virus you know were lockdowns Corona virus you know were lockdowns effective was there enough data to effective was there enough data to effective was there enough data to support the huge measures we took um you support the huge measures we took um you support the huge measures we took um you know why didn't we have the option to know why didn't we have the option to know why didn't we have the option to show I was infected a month ago why do I show I was infected a month ago why do I show I was infected a month ago why do I need to be vaccinated why did why wasn't need to be vaccinated why did why wasn't need to be vaccinated why did why wasn't that option ever in the United States I that option ever in the United States I that option ever in the United States I don't think it was um there are really don't think it was um there are really don't think it was um there are really good questions to be asked there but all good questions to be asked there but all good questions to be asked there but all the people asking the questions are also the people asking the questions are also the people asking the questions are also trying to tell you that iorm and trying to tell you that iorm and trying to tell you that iorm and monoclonal antibodies are the way to go monoclonal antibodies are the way to go monoclonal antibodies are the way to go for everything and the vaccine is evil for everything and the vaccine is evil for everything and the vaccine is evil and it's going to turn you gay like the and it's going to turn you gay like the and it's going to turn you gay like the frogs and it's like Jesus like you can't frogs and it's like Jesus like you can't frogs and it's like Jesus like you can't there's like no place to reasonably there's like no place to reasonably there's like no place to reasonably criticize from because all of the people criticize from because all of the people criticize from because all of the people that are criticizing aren't doing it that are criticizing aren't doing it that are criticizing aren't doing it with an open mind or you know they're with an open mind or you know they're with an open mind or you know they're not reading studies or doing anything not reading studies or doing anything not reading studies or doing anything they're saying like I do my own research they're saying like I do my own research they're saying like I do my own research which means they listen to whatever the which means they listen to whatever the which means they listen to whatever the last guy Joe Rogan said and now they're last guy Joe Rogan said and now they're last guy Joe Rogan said and now they're parting that opinion parting that opinion parting that opinion 100% the last guy on Joe ran not joean 100% the last guy on Joe ran not joean 100% the last guy on Joe ran not joean okay that Robert Malone guy on Joe ran okay that Robert Malone guy on Joe ran okay that Robert Malone guy on Joe ran got me real fired up one guest people got me real fired up one guest people got me real fired up one guest people see him as like the father of mRNA see him as like the father of mRNA see him as like the father of mRNA technology he published one paper okay technology he published one paper okay technology he published one paper okay what do you mean people which people what do you mean people which people what do you mean people which people think that Joan fans I get like I I run think that Joan fans I get like I I run think that Joan fans I get like I I run into these people I start arguing with into these people I start arguing with into these people I start arguing with people and they start setting me what people and they start setting me what people and they start setting me what about I'm a Jo Rogan fan and I about I'm a Jo Rogan fan and I about I'm a Jo Rogan fan and I appreciate the vaccine that's good I'm appreciate the vaccine that's good I'm appreciate the vaccine that's good I'm glad you do but there's definitely like glad you do but there's definitely like glad you do but there's definitely like so but you said there's a type there's a so but you said there's a type there's a so but you said there's a type there's a type what's the type what's the type of type what's the type what's the type of type what's the type what's the type of Joe Rogan fan anti-establishment I think Joe Rogan fan anti-establishment I think Joe Rogan fan anti-establishment I think that's not Joe Rogan that's like that's that's not Joe Rogan that's like that's that's not Joe Rogan that's like that's a general public discourse there's a a general public discourse there's a a general public discourse there's a default anti establishment on the on the default anti establishment on the on the default anti establishment on the on the right and the left that's the default right and the left that's the default right and the left that's the default easy thing to go to I think Joe Rogan easy thing to go to I think Joe Rogan easy thing to go to I think Joe Rogan fans are definitely a certain type of fans are definitely a certain type of fans are definitely a certain type of anti-establishment though like I could anti-establishment though like I could anti-establishment though like I could guess the Joe Rogan like if I were to do guess the Joe Rogan like if I were to do guess the Joe Rogan like if I were to do general population versus Joe ran fan general population versus Joe ran fan general population versus Joe ran fan who do you think is more likely to be who do you think is more likely to be who do you think is more likely to be antivaccine do you have data on this are

antivaccine do you have data on this are antivaccine do you have data on this are you just guessing yeah just guessing you just guessing yeah just guessing you just guessing yeah just guessing yeah I think you are actually judging I yeah I think you are actually judging I yeah I think you are actually judging I am I think you're judging cuz I think am I think you're judging cuz I think am I think you're judging cuz I think you're you're you're also the beautiful thing about also the beautiful thing about also the beautiful thing about podcasting this could be similar in podcasting this could be similar in podcasting this could be similar in streaming is there's a large number of streaming is there's a large number of streaming is there's a large number of people that just listen like what what people that just listen like what what people that just listen like what what does it mean to be a Joe Rogan fan I does it mean to be a Joe Rogan fan I does it mean to be a Joe Rogan fan I don't think you just listen I think don't think you just listen I think don't think you just listen I think people listen and absorb the information people listen and absorb the information people listen and absorb the information I would say that The Joe Rogan fan base I would say that The Joe Rogan fan base I would say that The Joe Rogan fan base is as divided in the vaccine as the is as divided in the vaccine as the is as divided in the vaccine as the general public gotcha man I'm going to general public gotcha man I'm going to general public gotcha man I'm going to look for polling data on that I'm sure look for polling data on that I'm sure look for polling data on that I'm sure somebody's got to have done it out there somebody's got to have done it out there somebody's got to have done it out there but no but you're you're basically but no but you're you're basically but no but you're you're basically revealing the fact they have no data revealing the fact they have no data revealing the fact they have no data you're using your own judgment for sure you're using your own judgment for sure you're using your own judgment for sure uh based on how he's had conversations uh based on how he's had conversations uh based on how he's had conversations about how his experience with the Corona about how his experience with the Corona about how his experience with the Corona virus and then based on the guests that virus and then based on the guests that virus and then based on the guests that have come on that have talked and echoed have come on that have talked and echoed have come on that have talked and echoed a lot of like antia talking points and a lot of like antia talking points and a lot of like antia talking points and been completely unchallenged and then been completely unchallenged and then been completely unchallenged and then based on statements he's made about like based on statements he's made about like based on statements he's made about like myocarditis and the vaccine and myocarditis and the vaccine and myocarditis and the vaccine and everything as well yeah so the it's the everything as well yeah so the it's the everything as well yeah so the it's the level of challenge or not that he's level of challenge or not that he's level of challenge or not that he's doing M well yeah and then what his true doing M well yeah and then what his true doing M well yeah and then what his true positions are and then the types of positions are and then the types of positions are and then the types of guests he typically chooses to bring on guests he typically chooses to bring on guests he typically chooses to bring on to talk about the vaccines yeah okay but to talk about the vaccines yeah okay but to talk about the vaccines yeah okay but that represents somehow a deep that represents somehow a deep that represents somehow a deep anti-establishment anti-establishment anti-establishment feeling versus just the vaccine I mean feeling versus just the vaccine I mean feeling versus just the vaccine I mean I've seen the vaccine and other things I've seen the vaccine and other things I've seen the vaccine and other things being a thing that broke people all the being a thing that broke people all the being a thing that broke people all the Corona virus that whole one or two years Corona virus that whole one or two years Corona virus that whole one or two years broke a lot of people there's a lot of broke a lot of people there's a lot of broke a lot of people there's a lot of emotion and the emotion quickly uh emotion and the emotion quickly uh emotion and the emotion quickly uh solidified into an opinion that almost solidified into an opinion that almost solidified into an opinion that almost had nothing to do with like Reon like had nothing to do with like Reon like had nothing to do with like Reon like thinking through and updating your thinking through and updating your thinking through and updating your knowledge and so on you just made up a knowledge and so on you just made up a knowledge and so on you just made up a made up your mind yeah but I think a lot made up your mind yeah but I think a lot made up your mind yeah but I think a lot of it comes from that anti-establishment of it comes from that anti-establishment of it comes from that anti-establishment place like what the vaccine represents

place like what the vaccine represents place like what the vaccine represents the ultimate of establishment it was a the ultimate of establishment it was a the ultimate of establishment it was a huge private company backed by a huge uh huge private company backed by a huge uh huge private company backed by a huge uh public government and there's fouchy and public government and there's fouchy and public government and there's fouchy and there's Biden and there's fizer and there's Biden and there's fizer and there's Biden and there's fizer and there's all these countries locking us there's all these countries locking us there's all these countries locking us up in our homes telling us to do a thing up in our homes telling us to do a thing up in our homes telling us to do a thing like the vaccine was like the ultimate like the vaccine was like the ultimate like the vaccine was like the ultimate like submission tool to like show you like submission tool to like show you like submission tool to like show you that the government owns you not only that the government owns you not only that the government owns you not only you have to get ejected once it's a you have to get ejected once it's a you have to get ejected once it's a series and then you got to get boosters series and then you got to get boosters series and then you got to get boosters and it's like they're trying to keep you and it's like they're trying to keep you and it's like they're trying to keep you under their thumb and it's that's the under their thumb and it's that's the under their thumb and it's that's the control um I Feel Like That vaccine control um I Feel Like That vaccine control um I Feel Like That vaccine became like the ultimate rallying cry became like the ultimate rallying cry became like the ultimate rallying cry between like do you support are you a between like do you support are you a between like do you support are you a sellout that is going to believe sellout that is going to believe sellout that is going to believe whatever the government tells the Sheep whatever the government tells the Sheep whatever the government tells the Sheep to take or are you going to be like the to take or are you going to be like the to take or are you going to be like the guy that stands against the crowd and guy that stands against the crowd and guy that stands against the crowd and gets fired from his job and pulls his gets fired from his job and pulls his gets fired from his job and pulls his kids from school because they're not kids from school because they're not kids from school because they're not going to let the evil fouchy medicine going to let the evil fouchy medicine going to let the evil fouchy medicine you know jab them in the arm and the you know jab them in the arm and the you know jab them in the arm and the funny thing is the crowd that stands funny thing is the crowd that stands funny thing is the crowd that stands against the institution is now larger against the institution is now larger against the institution is now larger than the crowd of sheep there's like one than the crowd of sheep there's like one than the crowd of sheep there's like one sheep standing there sure yeah or it sheep standing there sure yeah or it sheep standing there sure yeah or it feels that way sometimes one vaccinated feels that way sometimes one vaccinated feels that way sometimes one vaccinated sheep but okay uh what's the defense of sheep but okay uh what's the defense of sheep but okay uh what's the defense of Institutions how do you regain the trust Institutions how do you regain the trust Institutions how do you regain the trust of Institutions like for first of all do of Institutions like for first of all do of Institutions like for first of all do you think that there's ways in which wh you think that there's ways in which wh you think that there's ways in which wh CDC failed and do you think there's CDC failed and do you think there's CDC failed and do you think there's criticism towards fizer and the big criticism towards fizer and the big criticism towards fizer and the big Pharma companies that's deserved damn Pharma companies that's deserved damn Pharma companies that's deserved damn the Pharma companies I'm not sure um for the Pharma companies I'm not sure um for the Pharma companies I'm not sure um for CDC and so here's a criticism that I CDC and so here's a criticism that I CDC and so here's a criticism that I have of all of Academia and I feel it have of all of Academia and I feel it have of all of Academia and I feel it stronger and stronger every day I don't stronger and stronger every day I don't stronger and stronger every day I don't think it's enough to be a researcher or think it's enough to be a researcher or think it's enough to be a researcher or to be correct about issues Academia to be correct about issues Academia to be correct about issues Academia needs to increase its ability to needs to increase its ability to needs to increase its ability to communicate um it is just an an

communicate um it is just an an communicate um it is just an an unbelievable unmitigated failure that unbelievable unmitigated failure that unbelievable unmitigated failure that academics are unwilling to weigh into academics are unwilling to weigh into academics are unwilling to weigh into the complicated topics uh that exist the complicated topics uh that exist the complicated topics uh that exist today because other people are you know today because other people are you know today because other people are you know first you call me spineless and then you first you call me spineless and then you first you call me spineless and then you call me a bad communicator but no look call me a bad communicator but no look call me a bad communicator but no look you're here you're doing it so you get you're here you're doing it so you get you're here you're doing it so you get props for me okay good job that props for me okay good job that props for me okay good job that motherfuck but there are like so many motherfuck but there are like so many motherfuck but there are like so many but I'm sure youve I'm sure that you but I'm sure youve I'm sure that you but I'm sure youve I'm sure that you must have um heard another fellow must have um heard another fellow must have um heard another fellow academic a fellow colleague express some academic a fellow colleague express some academic a fellow colleague express some amount of frustration about like in amount of frustration about like in amount of frustration about like in their specific discipline they know their specific discipline they know their specific discipline they know something to be true and they know that something to be true and they know that something to be true and they know that like a lot of the messaging is like like a lot of the messaging is like like a lot of the messaging is like wrong or bad in the public about it but wrong or bad in the public about it but wrong or bad in the public about it but they're never going to step out and say they're never going to step out and say they're never going to step out and say anything because either one they're very anything because either one they're very anything because either one they're very measured and careful with their take measured and careful with their take measured and careful with their take which they feel is incompatible with which they feel is incompatible with which they feel is incompatible with what people want to hear or two they're what people want to hear or two they're what people want to hear or two they're really worried that they might be really worried that they might be really worried that they might be incorrect so they're going to be incorrect so they're going to be incorrect so they're going to be cautious while everybody else is going cautious while everybody else is going cautious while everybody else is going out in like hardcore their and they also out in like hardcore their and they also out in like hardcore their and they also don't have the support of Institutions don't have the support of Institutions don't have the support of Institutions for them to go on a limb yeah that too for them to go on a limb yeah that too for them to go on a limb yeah that too so like to take risks for example I've so like to take risks for example I've so like to take risks for example I've heard that with u lab League Theory I've heard that with u lab League Theory I've heard that with u lab League Theory I've had a lot of biologist biologist friends had a lot of biologist biologist friends had a lot of biologist biologist friends that are like yeah it's obviously leaked that are like yeah it's obviously leaked that are like yeah it's obviously leaked from the lab like early on oh maybe okay from the lab like early on oh maybe okay from the lab like early on oh maybe okay we can fight over this one but sorry we can fight over this one but sorry we can fight over this one but sorry guys we can fight over this well like guys we can fight over this well like guys we can fight over this well like they okay I I should sort of back step they okay I I should sort of back step they okay I I should sort of back step and say like that's like you talk about and say like that's like you talk about and say like that's like you talk about shooting the shit you haven't really shooting the shit you haven't really shooting the shit you haven't really investigated but it's your gut like this investigated but it's your gut like this investigated but it's your gut like this doesn't make any sense there would never doesn't make any sense there would never doesn't make any sense there would never say that publicly of course mostly say that publicly of course mostly say that publicly of course mostly because you're saying like what they because you're saying like what they because you're saying like what they would all say is like we want to see would all say is like we want to see would all say is like we want to see data yeah which would be good which is data yeah which would be good which is data yeah which would be good which is fine so they're going with like like fine so they're going with like like fine so they're going with like like this just too many coincidence in the this just too many coincidence in the this just too many coincidence in the same place that's the the logic but they

same place that's the the logic but they same place that's the the logic but they don't want to say anything because don't want to say anything because don't want to say anything because there's no data you need to have there's no data you need to have there's no data you need to have evidence you need to have actual evidence you need to have actual evidence you need to have actual evidence to say one way or the other evidence to say one way or the other evidence to say one way or the other there's that but there's also just like there's that but there's also just like there's that but there's also just like you said I mean effect effective you said I mean effect effective you said I mean effect effective communication you're a fan of Sean Carol communication you're a fan of Sean Carol communication you're a fan of Sean Carol one of yes he's like one of the only one of yes he's like one of the only one of yes he's like one of the only people in this whole planet that I like people in this whole planet that I like people in this whole planet that I like besides you I love Sean that's anytime besides you I love Sean that's anytime besides you I love Sean that's anytime Sean Carol's brought up as evidenced Sean Carol's brought up as evidenced Sean Carol's brought up as evidenced there's a smile that comes over your there's a smile that comes over your there's a smile that comes over your face of like Joy of like a little kid face of like Joy of like a little kid face of like Joy of like a little kid thinking about Santa Claus okay I love thinking about Santa Claus okay I love thinking about Santa Claus okay I love Sean Carol Sean Carol Sean Carol too I love Sean Caroll because there I too I love Sean Caroll because there I too I love Sean Caroll because there I hate this divide between like your hate this divide between like your hate this divide between like your either stem or your like philosophy arts either stem or your like philosophy arts either stem or your like philosophy arts and all that other stuff and the Two and all that other stuff and the Two and all that other stuff and the Two Worlds can over cross and I love that he Worlds can over cross and I love that he Worlds can over cross and I love that he was so good at physics but like explores was so good at physics but like explores was so good at physics but like explores and pays attention to all of the like and pays attention to all of the like and pays attention to all of the like sociological stuff too it's so rare to sociological stuff too it's so rare to sociological stuff too it's so rare to find that quality in a person he's legit find that quality in a person he's legit find that quality in a person he's legit one of the really really really one of the really really really one of the really really really specializ but you don't have to be a specializ but you don't have to be a specializ but you don't have to be a Sean Carol you can be just a little Sean Carol you can be just a little Sean Carol you can be just a little better at educating another person in better at educating another person in better at educating another person in the uh in the medical and the health the uh in the medical and the health the uh in the medical and the health space is somebody named Andrew huberman space is somebody named Andrew huberman space is somebody named Andrew huberman a friend of mine from uh Stanford he's a friend of mine from uh Stanford he's a friend of mine from uh Stanford he's an incredible educator there's the kind an incredible educator there's the kind an incredible educator there's the kind of process in science they usually call of process in science they usually call of process in science they usually call like review or survey papers where you like review or survey papers where you like review or survey papers where you basically summarize all that's going on basically summarize all that's going on basically summarize all that's going on integrate it and like draw wisdom from integrate it and like draw wisdom from integrate it and like draw wisdom from it and also project like where is the it and also project like where is the it and also project like where is the discipline headed and Andrew does that discipline headed and Andrew does that discipline headed and Andrew does that basically on all these subcomponents of basically on all these subcomponents of basically on all these subcomponents of the different stuff going on in in the different stuff going on in in the different stuff going on in in neuroscience and biology neurobiology neuroscience and biology neurobiology neuroscience and biology neurobiology all that he's able to he does a podcast all that he's able to he does a podcast all that he's able to he does a podcast called hubman lab where he just called hubman lab where he just called hubman lab where he just summarizes all and is able to explain summarizes all and is able to explain summarizes all and is able to explain like what does that actually mean for

like what does that actually mean for like what does that actually mean for your for your life in terms of Protocols your for your life in terms of Protocols your for your life in terms of Protocols of how to make your life better I feel of how to make your life better I feel of how to make your life better I feel like people should be able to do that like people should be able to do that like people should be able to do that more and more but with vir virology and more and more but with vir virology and more and more but with vir virology and oh boy that's a tricky one that's a oh boy that's a tricky one that's a oh boy that's a tricky one that's a really tricky one I wish that people really tricky one I wish that people really tricky one I wish that people could have honest conversations like I could have honest conversations like I could have honest conversations like I attack a lot of people that do the La attack a lot of people that do the La attack a lot of people that do the La League Theory stuff but truly we should League Theory stuff but truly we should League Theory stuff but truly we should be able to have that conversation be able to have that conversation be able to have that conversation publicly it just it always feels like publicly it just it always feels like publicly it just it always feels like the people that are having the the people that are having the the people that are having the conversation don't ever really want to conversation don't ever really want to conversation don't ever really want to have the conversation they're not being have the conversation they're not being have the conversation they're not being honest like every like I'm a guy that honest like every like I'm a guy that honest like every like I'm a guy that like does his own research and it's so like does his own research and it's so like does his own research and it's so boring reading studies and a lot of it I boring reading studies and a lot of it I boring reading studies and a lot of it I can only do abstracts and like I like can only do abstracts and like I like can only do abstracts and like I like it's so much work but I'll never ever it's so much work but I'll never ever it's so much work but I'll never ever say that about myself I'm a guy that say that about myself I'm a guy that say that about myself I'm a guy that does his own research because every time does his own research because every time does his own research because every time I hear somebody say that they don't do I hear somebody say that they don't do I hear somebody say that they don't do any research when they say they do their any research when they say they do their any research when they say they do their own research with they mean as they've own research with they mean as they've own research with they mean as they've seen one podcast and their opinion on is seen one podcast and their opinion on is seen one podcast and their opinion on is what podcast is that definitely not mine what podcast is that definitely not mine what podcast is that definitely not mine CU it was mine I wouldn't be criticizing CU it was mine I wouldn't be criticizing CU it was mine I wouldn't be criticizing anything they say um but yeah so like La anything they say um but yeah so like La anything they say um but yeah so like La leak is another one where it's like well leak is another one where it's like well leak is another one where it's like well how do you know it's lab leak how do I how do you know it's lab leak how do I how do you know it's lab leak how do I know it's La leak uh because fouchy lied know it's La leak uh because fouchy lied know it's La leak uh because fouchy lied and Hunter Biden laptop and it's okay and Hunter Biden laptop and it's okay and Hunter Biden laptop and it's okay come on you haven't engage with it at come on you haven't engage with it at come on you haven't engage with it at all there's really interesting research all there's really interesting research all there's really interesting research that shows there a really strong study that shows there a really strong study that shows there a really strong study that shows that there's like a high that shows that there's like a high that shows that there's like a high degree of certainty that it came from degree of certainty that it came from degree of certainty that it came from the weet markets very very high degree the weet markets very very high degree the weet markets very very high degree of certainty and there there was an of certainty and there there was an of certainty and there there was an article that came out recently where article that came out recently where article that came out recently where it's like Senate concludes that virus it's like Senate concludes that virus it's like Senate concludes that virus actually came from uh the Wuhan virology actually came from uh the Wuhan virology actually came from uh the Wuhan virology lab or whatever um and that article if lab or whatever um and that article if lab or whatever um and that article if you actually read it it never says that you actually read it it never says that you actually read it it never says that in the article I don't know why they in the article I don't know why they in the article I don't know why they tweeted it with that headline um but tweeted it with that headline um but tweeted it with that headline um but yeah it's to back up I'm sorry I think yeah it's to back up I'm sorry I think yeah it's to back up I'm sorry I think we should have good you should be sorry we should have good you should be sorry we should have good you should be sorry yeah I'm not sorry actually I get to yeah I'm not sorry actually I get to yeah I'm not sorry actually I get to ramble here okay I'm here for a long

ramble here okay I'm here for a long ramble here okay I'm here for a long time I resend my apology okay I actually time I resend my apology okay I actually time I resend my apology okay I actually resend my apology um we should be able resend my apology um we should be able resend my apology um we should be able to have challenging conversations about to have challenging conversations about to have challenging conversations about things but you got to man be well read things but you got to man be well read things but you got to man be well read on both sides not not this like I do my on both sides not not this like I do my on both sides not not this like I do my own research so I don't believe anything own research so I don't believe anything own research so I don't believe anything that fouchi say like come on dude you that fouchi say like come on dude you that fouchi say like come on dude you can do better than that not you can do better than that not you can do better than that not you personally but gotcha how does that personally but gotcha how does that personally but gotcha how does that feel feels uh so for people who don't feel feels uh so for people who don't feel feels uh so for people who don't know that's the catchphrase gotcha know that's the catchphrase gotcha know that's the catchphrase gotcha through all tragedy and Triumph through through all tragedy and Triumph through through all tragedy and Triumph through all the roller coaster of Life your all the roller coaster of Life your all the roller coaster of Life your response to it is gotcha yeah it's uh response to it is gotcha yeah it's uh response to it is gotcha yeah it's uh well actually let me jump to that be well actually let me jump to that be well actually let me jump to that be before I continue before I continue before I continue to with with political discourse um to with with political discourse um to with with political discourse um psychologically you are in a lot of psychologically you are in a lot of psychologically you are in a lot of heated debates and you're usually super heated debates and you're usually super heated debates and you're usually super calm Under Fire until you're not calm Under Fire until you're not calm Under Fire until you're not sometimes you lose your temper sometimes you lose your temper sometimes you lose your temper completely very rarely but that's like completely very rarely but that's like completely very rarely but that's like your opinion man let me ask you about your opinion man let me ask you about your opinion man let me ask you about your psychology what are psychologically your psychology what are psychologically your psychology what are psychologically your strengths and weaknesses that your strengths and weaknesses that your strengths and weaknesses that you're self-aware about I think I'm very you're self-aware about I think I'm very you're self-aware about I think I'm very non-judgmental so I can entertain a lot non-judgmental so I can entertain a lot non-judgmental so I can entertain a lot of different thoughts without agreeing of different thoughts without agreeing of different thoughts without agreeing with them or condoning them um I think with them or condoning them um I think with them or condoning them um I think that's a really big benefit to me um for that's a really big benefit to me um for that's a really big benefit to me um for whatever reason I seem to be like pretty whatever reason I seem to be like pretty whatever reason I seem to be like pretty calm in dealing with annoying people um calm in dealing with annoying people um calm in dealing with annoying people um it's why I got promoted at the casino so it's why I got promoted at the casino so it's why I got promoted at the casino so fast I could deal with like drunks or fast I could deal with like drunks or fast I could deal with like drunks or whatever like it just didn't affect me whatever like it just didn't affect me whatever like it just didn't affect me that much what percent of the population that much what percent of the population that much what percent of the population annoying depends on how you're engaging annoying depends on how you're engaging annoying depends on how you're engaging with them most people aren't really with them most people aren't really with them most people aren't really annoying ever but you're doing like annoying ever but you're doing like annoying ever but you're doing like political debate um how what percentage political debate um how what percentage political debate um how what percentage is annoying I guess depends on who I'm is annoying I guess depends on who I'm is annoying I guess depends on who I'm debating and what the topic is well I I debating and what the topic is well I I debating and what the topic is well I I guess I'm trying to point out the fact

guess I'm trying to point out the fact guess I'm trying to point out the fact that sometimes you can that sometimes you can that sometimes you can say that reveals something about you if say that reveals something about you if say that reveals something about you if you think a large percent of people are you think a large percent of people are you think a large percent of people are annoying well I would say working annoying well I would say working annoying well I would say working graveyard shift when alcohol is involved graveyard shift when alcohol is involved graveyard shift when alcohol is involved that percentage of people goes very very that percentage of people goes very very that percentage of people goes very very very high or to be more fair actually very high or to be more fair actually very high or to be more fair actually it's not a high percentage truly but if it's not a high percentage truly but if it's not a high percentage truly but if you're a server one bad customer can you're a server one bad customer can you're a server one bad customer can ruin the rest of your shift so you only ruin the rest of your shift so you only ruin the rest of your shift so you only need like one or two people acting in need like one or two people acting in need like one or two people acting in that manner to just like totally throw that manner to just like totally throw that manner to just like totally throw you off and you're able to at least you off and you're able to at least you off and you're able to at least these days not allow that one customer these days not allow that one customer these days not allow that one customer to throw you off quote unquote yeah I'm to throw you off quote unquote yeah I'm to throw you off quote unquote yeah I'm very much like a um I noticed this very much like a um I noticed this very much like a um I noticed this especially after having a son there's especially after having a son there's especially after having a son there's something about like six-year-old kids something about like six-year-old kids something about like six-year-old kids or whatever where it's like if they get or whatever where it's like if they get or whatever where it's like if they get mad they're never going to be mad for mad they're never going to be mad for mad they're never going to be mad for that long like they'll move on like that long like they'll move on like that long like they'll move on like that's my mentality I'm like a that's my mentality I'm like a that's my mentality I'm like a six-year-old kid like I might be mad six-year-old kid like I might be mad six-year-old kid like I might be mad about something but I'll get over in about something but I'll get over in about something but I'll get over in like 30 minutes or an hour like yeah um like 30 minutes or an hour like yeah um like 30 minutes or an hour like yeah um I'm pretty good about not caring caring I'm pretty good about not caring caring I'm pretty good about not caring caring that through it it's very rare that I'll that through it it's very rare that I'll that through it it's very rare that I'll like hold a grudge against anybody or like hold a grudge against anybody or like hold a grudge against anybody or like be angry about something or really like be angry about something or really like be angry about something or really disaffected by something over the long disaffected by something over the long disaffected by something over the long term that almost never happens to me term that almost never happens to me term that almost never happens to me what are your weaknesses psychologically what are your weaknesses psychologically what are your weaknesses psychologically would you say I still have a problem would you say I still have a problem would you say I still have a problem with projecting I think we all probably with projecting I think we all probably with projecting I think we all probably do but like my mind onto others it's do but like my mind onto others it's do but like my mind onto others it's like if I understand this and I've said like if I understand this and I've said like if I understand this and I've said this you should understand it and if this you should understand it and if this you should understand it and if you're not you're dumb um that's like an you're not you're dumb um that's like an you're not you're dumb um that's like an issue that I I still have that where I issue that I I still have that where I issue that I I still have that where I project too much what about like holding project too much what about like holding project too much what about like holding grudges and stuff like that I'd never grudges and stuff like that I'd never grudges and stuff like that I'd never hold grudges I'm like the least grudging hold grudges I'm like the least grudging hold grudges I'm like the least grudging person ever it's kind of a m of my person ever it's kind of a m of my person ever it's kind of a m of my community cuz anybody can always like community cuz anybody can always like community cuz anybody can always like come back um as long as they're acting come back um as long as they're acting come back um as long as they're acting different yeah what about the as long as different yeah what about the as long as different yeah what about the as long as they're acting different see I mean all they're acting different see I mean all they're acting different see I mean all right the reason why I say that is right the reason why I say that is right the reason why I say that is because um so for instance nobody likes because um so for instance nobody likes because um so for instance nobody likes this but I have a strong stance on this but I have a strong stance on this but I have a strong stance on apologies and that I hate them I don't

apologies and that I hate them I don't apologies and that I hate them I don't ever want to hear an apology I don't ever want to hear an apology I don't ever want to hear an apology I don't care about them ever they don't mean care about them ever they don't mean care about them ever they don't mean anything to me if you did something bad anything to me if you did something bad anything to me if you did something bad as long as you've like fixed the as long as you've like fixed the as long as you've like fixed the behavior and you're not doing that thing behavior and you're not doing that thing behavior and you're not doing that thing then we're generally chill so like then we're generally chill so like then we're generally chill so like there's been a lot of people that have there's been a lot of people that have there's been a lot of people that have been involved in weird stuff with me but been involved in weird stuff with me but been involved in weird stuff with me but then like they they go off they do their then like they they go off they do their then like they they go off they do their thing and they come back and it's like thing and they come back and it's like thing and they come back and it's like okay cool as long as you don't do it okay cool as long as you don't do it okay cool as long as you don't do it again like we're fine like it's all good again like we're fine like it's all good again like we're fine like it's all good yeah I'm sorry you feel that yeah I'm sorry you feel that yeah I'm sorry you feel that way it's not your fault Stephen it's not way it's not your fault Stephen it's not way it's not your fault Stephen it's not your fault okay gotcha you said plenty your fault okay gotcha you said plenty your fault okay gotcha you said plenty of negative stuff positive stuff and of negative stuff positive stuff and of negative stuff positive stuff and negative stuff about Hassan yeah this is negative stuff about Hassan yeah this is negative stuff about Hassan yeah this is my podcast I get to get you to force you my podcast I get to get you to force you my podcast I get to get you to force you to say positive things what do you love to say positive things what do you love to say positive things what do you love I'm All About Love let's go back to I'm All About Love let's go back to I'm All About Love let's go back to Gilling me on the RW word stuff you're Gilling me on the RW word stuff you're Gilling me on the RW word stuff you're going to make me compliment Assan this going to make me compliment Assan this going to make me compliment Assan this is going to be a harder conversation is going to be a harder conversation is going to be a harder conversation than that all right than that all right than that all right you're there's we're going to get you to you're there's we're going to get you to you're there's we're going to get you to feel emotion feel emotion feel emotion okay uh so he's for people who don't okay uh so he's for people who don't okay uh so he's for people who don't know he's another popular political know he's another popular political know he's another popular political streamer I think you had uh as the kids streamer I think you had uh as the kids streamer I think you had uh as the kids called it a bridge burning over Bernie called it a bridge burning over Bernie called it a bridge burning over Bernie Sanders I don't know my research is very Sanders I don't know my research is very Sanders I don't know my research is very limited on this but um what do you limited on this but um what do you limited on this but um what do you respect and love most about Hassan he respect and love most about Hassan he respect and love most about Hassan he puts in a lot of work when he was like puts in a lot of work when he was like puts in a lot of work when he was like growing his stream from 2,000 concurrent growing his stream from 2,000 concurrent growing his stream from 2,000 concurrent viewers to 15,000 he was streaming like viewers to 15,000 he was streaming like viewers to 15,000 he was streaming like it was like 12 hours a day like every it was like 12 hours a day like every it was like 12 hours a day like every single day um so that was Adam did a lot single day um so that was Adam did a lot single day um so that was Adam did a lot of work um he does seem to be pretty of work um he does seem to be pretty of work um he does seem to be pretty good at networking and like socializing good at networking and like socializing good at networking and like socializing and making the correct friends and and making the correct friends and and making the correct friends and connections to continue to build his connections to continue to build his connections to continue to build his business what about him as a political business what about him as a political business what about him as a political thinker I know you don't think highly of thinker I know you don't think highly of thinker I know you don't think highly of him on that on that regard but I think him on that on that regard but I think him on that on that regard but I think that's unfair I think that's unfair I I that's unfair I think that's unfair I I that's unfair I think that's unfair I I honestly want to push back on that honestly want to push back on that honestly want to push back on that because okay I have zero respect for him

because okay I have zero respect for him because okay I have zero respect for him as a political as a political as a political thinker there's not going to be almost thinker there's not going to be almost thinker there's not going to be almost anything oh I will say I I admire the anything oh I will say I I admire the anything oh I will say I I admire the fact that through no actual capability fact that through no actual capability fact that through no actual capability or ability of his own he manages to wind or ability of his own he manages to wind or ability of his own he manages to wind up at some of the correct answers just up at some of the correct answers just up at some of the correct answers just cuz he's Towing the line so good job for cuz he's Towing the line so good job for cuz he's Towing the line so good job for him on that he's got a lot of correct him on that he's got a lot of correct him on that he's got a lot of correct opinions just he has no idea why so I opinions just he has no idea why so I opinions just he has no idea why so I think that's undeserved I think that's think that's undeserved I think that's think that's undeserved I think that's too harsh Man Okay the reason I bring too harsh Man Okay the reason I bring too harsh Man Okay the reason I bring that up because I feel like there is a that up because I feel like there is a that up because I feel like there is a deep Grudge in there somehow so you're deep Grudge in there somehow so you're deep Grudge in there somehow so you're the the father now so since you're so the the father now so since you're so the the father now so since you're so old the grandfather of the uh political old the grandfather of the uh political old the grandfather of the uh political debate on stream on live stream debate on stream on live stream debate on stream on live stream political debater so there could be some political debater so there could be some political debater so there could be some Grudge about that split that happened or Grudge about that split that happened or Grudge about that split that happened or not enough credit given or all that kind not enough credit given or all that kind not enough credit given or all that kind of stuff I just I just think he's of stuff I just I just think he's of stuff I just I just think he's somebody that has a a left leaning somebody that has a a left leaning somebody that has a a left leaning ideology that's different than yours he ideology that's different than yours he ideology that's different than yours he was a Bernie supporter right and I guess was a Bernie supporter right and I guess was a Bernie supporter right and I guess you were not can you can you explain to you were not can you can you explain to you were not can you can you explain to me where the division is he exemplifies me where the division is he exemplifies me where the division is he exemplifies everything that I absolutely hate about everything that I absolutely hate about everything that I absolutely hate about politics which is shallow engagement uh politics which is shallow engagement uh politics which is shallow engagement uh heavily ideologically driven and you're heavily ideologically driven and you're heavily ideologically driven and you're not ideologically driv absolutely not not ideologically driv absolutely not not ideologically driv absolutely not that's what we're talking about like the that's what we're talking about like the that's what we're talking about like the free thinker in the real meaning of that free thinker in the real meaning of that free thinker in the real meaning of that word yeah so the way let me let me word yeah so the way let me let me word yeah so the way let me let me qualify issue thinking let me qualify qualify issue thinking let me qualify qualify issue thinking let me qualify what I mean when I say that um I spent a what I mean when I say that um I spent a what I mean when I say that um I spent a lot of time unfortunate time delving lot of time unfortunate time delving lot of time unfortunate time delving into the boring world of philosophy I into the boring world of philosophy I into the boring world of philosophy I spent a lot of time thinking about like spent a lot of time thinking about like spent a lot of time thinking about like what are my ethical positions how do I what are my ethical positions how do I what are my ethical positions how do I feel about myself the people around me feel about myself the people around me feel about myself the people around me and how that relates to the world around and how that relates to the world around and how that relates to the world around me and then from all of these positions

me and then from all of these positions me and then from all of these positions I think you might have used the phrase I think you might have used the phrase I think you might have used the phrase first principles earlier um from these first principles earlier um from these first principles earlier um from these kind of like first principles out of kind of like first principles out of kind of like first principles out of that is where all of my political that is where all of my political that is where all of my political positions are built out of like full positions are built out of like full positions are built out of like full stop so if you ask me a question like stop so if you ask me a question like stop so if you ask me a question like how do you feel about like the right to how do you feel about like the right to how do you feel about like the right to own a firearm or how do you feel about own a firearm or how do you feel about own a firearm or how do you feel about social Healthcare like we can walk social Healthcare like we can walk social Healthcare like we can walk through well this is how I feel about it through well this is how I feel about it through well this is how I feel about it as like a thing from the government this as like a thing from the government this as like a thing from the government this is where the government gets its power is where the government gets its power is where the government gets its power this is ethically how groups of people this is ethically how groups of people this is ethically how groups of people are supposed to function this is morally are supposed to function this is morally are supposed to function this is morally how we relate to each other and how we relate to each other and how we relate to each other and personally this is how I feel like like personally this is how I feel like like personally this is how I feel like like I'll be able to do every single I'll be able to do every single I'll be able to do every single political belief back there it's not political belief back there it's not political belief back there it's not like I'm telling you like if I were to like I'm telling you like if I were to like I'm telling you like if I were to ask kassan um what do you feel about ask kassan um what do you feel about ask kassan um what do you feel about this political topic he's going to tell this political topic he's going to tell this political topic he's going to tell me what progressives are supposed to say me what progressives are supposed to say me what progressives are supposed to say I don't know what he thinks about it I I don't know what he thinks about it I I don't know what he thinks about it I don't know don't you think that's a don't know don't you think that's a don't know don't you think that's a cynical take why is he just because his cynical take why is he just because his cynical take why is he just because his views coin side with the mainstream views coin side with the mainstream views coin side with the mainstream narrative mainstream viewpoints of narrative mainstream viewpoints of narrative mainstream viewpoints of progressive thinkers this I mean why progressive thinkers this I mean why progressive thinkers this I mean why does that mean he's not thinking because does that mean he's not thinking because does that mean he's not thinking because his engagement with every subject is his engagement with every subject is his engagement with every subject is incredibly shallow 100% predictable like incredibly shallow 100% predictable like incredibly shallow 100% predictable like I could write like a I could probably I could write like a I could probably I could write like a I could probably program a script to like give you every program a script to like give you every program a script to like give you every single potential answer you could have single potential answer you could have single potential answer you could have to any single question you could give to any single question you could give to any single question you could give him again I think that's pretty cynical him again I think that's pretty cynical him again I think that's pretty cynical take okay it could be the case that his take okay it could be the case that his take okay it could be the case that his brain perfectly aligns with every single brain perfectly aligns with every single brain perfectly aligns with every single M no but I don't know if you know it M no but I don't know if you know it M no but I don't know if you know it it's perfectly aligns cuz I think you're it's perfectly aligns cuz I think you're it's perfectly aligns cuz I think you're just taking a very select just like just taking a very select just like just taking a very select just like streamers do of each other a very select streamers do of each other a very select streamers do of each other a very select slice that represents the perfect slice that represents the perfect slice that represents the perfect alignment as opposed to looking at a alignment as opposed to looking at a alignment as opposed to looking at a person struggling with ideas and person struggling with ideas and person struggling with ideas and thinking through ideas and then giving thinking through ideas and then giving thinking through ideas and then giving him a pass like a lot of people like I him a pass like a lot of people like I him a pass like a lot of people like I give you a pass give you a pass give you a pass on just the fact that you say a lot of on just the fact that you say a lot of on just the fact that you say a lot of crazy shit on stream for drama like

crazy shit on stream for drama like crazy shit on stream for drama like which is I don't say things for drama it which is I don't say things for drama it which is I don't say things for drama it might be dramatic but I mean you've might be dramatic but I mean you've might be dramatic but I mean you've evolved as a fish evolves legs you've evolved as a fish evolves legs you've evolved as a fish evolves legs you've evolved a mechanism about which creates evolved a mechanism about which creates evolved a mechanism about which creates controversy sure that that you could say controversy sure that that you could say controversy sure that that you could say it's not intention but it happens I it's not intention but it happens I it's not intention but it happens I think okay sure the extremist kind of think okay sure the extremist kind of think okay sure the extremist kind of learn that kind of thing and so I'm sure learn that kind of thing and so I'm sure learn that kind of thing and so I'm sure Hassan does the same kind of stuff and Hassan does the same kind of stuff and Hassan does the same kind of stuff and so like underneath it there's still a so like underneath it there's still a so like underneath it there's still a thinking being that's that's contending thinking being that's that's contending thinking being that's that's contending with political ideas you don't think so with political ideas you don't think so with political ideas you don't think so he does a really good job at hiding it he does a really good job at hiding it he does a really good job at hiding it there are other political figures that I there are other political figures that I there are other political figures that I really don't like that I wouldn't say really don't like that I wouldn't say really don't like that I wouldn't say the same thing about so like I don't the same thing about so like I don't the same thing about so like I don't know if you V written in there I'm like know if you V written in there I'm like know if you V written in there I'm like okay that's a person that he also split okay that's a person that he also split okay that's a person that he also split out of my community and grew to out of my community and grew to out of my community and grew to something and know he hates me and he's something and know he hates me and he's something and know he hates me and he's an anti-an Community they all hate tell an anti-an Community they all hate tell an anti-an Community they all hate tell me something you love about Vos I can me something you love about Vos I can me something you love about Vos I can tell you a lot of things about Vos I tell you a lot of things about Vos I tell you a lot of things about Vos I think Vos legitimately thinks through a think Vos legitimately thinks through a think Vos legitimately thinks through a lot of his political positions um I lot of his political positions um I lot of his political positions um I admire or did admire that he has like admire or did admire that he has like admire or did admire that he has like his own like positions that he would his own like positions that he would his own like positions that he would take sometimes contrary to people take sometimes contrary to people take sometimes contrary to people further left than him um he's got some further left than him um he's got some further left than him um he's got some positions that don't fit his ideology positions that don't fit his ideology positions that don't fit his ideology kind of at all like he's his own kind of at all like he's his own kind of at all like he's his own independent thinker rhetorically he's independent thinker rhetorically he's independent thinker rhetorically he's very effective he was willing to sit very effective he was willing to sit very effective he was willing to sit down and do research for like his down and do research for like his down and do research for like his debates and everything um he would spend debates and everything um he would spend debates and everything um he would spend a lot of time practicing like his a lot of time practicing like his a lot of time practicing like his rhetorical Effectiveness and navigating rhetorical Effectiveness and navigating rhetorical Effectiveness and navigating conversations uh he intentionally and conversations uh he intentionally and conversations uh he intentionally and purposefully built like a community that purposefully built like a community that purposefully built like a community that exemplified his values yeah I've I've exemplified his values yeah I've I've exemplified his values yeah I've I've got a lot I don't we we are completely got a lot I don't we we are completely got a lot I don't we we are completely split and hate each other now but like I split and hate each other now but like I split and hate each other now but like I have a lot why why why ha first of all have a lot why why why ha first of all have a lot why why why ha first of all hate is a strong why why the hate okay I hate is a strong why why the hate okay I hate is a strong why why the hate okay I don't hate him but he hates me because don't hate him but he hates me because don't hate him but he hates me because we had a couple of really big debates we had a couple of really big debates we had a couple of really big debates what happened well one had to do with what happened well one had to do with what happened well one had to do with whether or not you should live your whether or not you should live your whether or not you should live your values and can you give me the story

values and can you give me the story values and can you give me the story that's a charitable interpretation I that's a charitable interpretation I that's a charitable interpretation I always give charal interpretation you always give charal interpretation you always give charal interpretation you don't I absolutely do don't wait name don't I absolutely do don't wait name don't I absolutely do don't wait name one time I have't 5 minutes ago you one time I have't 5 minutes ago you one time I have't 5 minutes ago you talking about talking about talking about everything I said about is true there is everything I said about is true there is everything I said about is true there is no Steel Man there okay that's not no Steel Man there okay that's not no Steel Man there okay that's not charitable that's I'm sorry if you can charitable that's I'm sorry if you can charitable that's I'm sorry if you can if you can prove me wrong I would love if you can prove me wrong I would love if you can prove me wrong I would love for you to do it okay I'm using my gut for you to do it okay I'm using my gut for you to do it okay I'm using my gut instinct usually when somebody feels instinct usually when somebody feels instinct usually when somebody feels strongly about another person in that strongly about another person in that strongly about another person in that way it's not coming from a place of data way it's not coming from a place of data way it's not coming from a place of data and reason it's coming from a place of and reason it's coming from a place of and reason it's coming from a place of emotion it's coming from a place of emotion it's coming from a place of emotion it's coming from a place of resentment and Grudge and all that kind resentment and Grudge and all that kind resentment and Grudge and all that kind of stuff there's deep there's emotions of stuff there's deep there's emotions of stuff there's deep there's emotions deep in there so the gotu is hiding the deep in there so the gotu is hiding the deep in there so the gotu is hiding the G the gotu is a is a surface of an G the gotu is a is a surface of an G the gotu is a is a surface of an iceberg and there's a deep ocean iceberg and there's a deep ocean iceberg and there's a deep ocean underneath that you yourself have not underneath that you yourself have not underneath that you yourself have not explored I disagree but I understand why explored I disagree but I understand why explored I disagree but I understand why and La is actually a doorway the young and La is actually a doorway the young and La is actually a doorway the young La is a doorway for you to explore the La is a doorway for you to explore the La is a doorway for you to explore the depths of get into that ocean to find my depths of get into that ocean to find my depths of get into that ocean to find my fish my pre- evolve form yeah um I fish my pre- evolve form yeah um I fish my pre- evolve form yeah um I understand why you think the way you do understand why you think the way you do understand why you think the way you do and you should you shouldn't believe me and you should you shouldn't believe me and you should you shouldn't believe me and I understand that because if and I understand that because if and I understand that because if somebody told me the same thing I'd somebody told me the same thing I'd somebody told me the same thing I'd think you probably just really don't think you probably just really don't think you probably just really don't like this person for a reason or two I I like this person for a reason or two I I like this person for a reason or two I I understand why you think that way okay understand why you think that way okay understand why you think that way okay the reality is though for any political the reality is though for any political the reality is though for any political person that I disagree with like I can person that I disagree with like I can person that I disagree with like I can give them a fair Shake it's one of the give them a fair Shake it's one of the give them a fair Shake it's one of the few things I think I do exceedingly well few things I think I do exceedingly well few things I think I do exceedingly well on my stream even with hisan there's on my stream even with hisan there's on my stream even with hisan there's been drama that he's been involved in been drama that he's been involved in been drama that he's been involved in and I've like very when I'm involved in and I've like very when I'm involved in and I've like very when I'm involved in drama he'll always throw me under the drama he'll always throw me under the drama he'll always throw me under the bus but when he's involved in stuff I'll bus but when he's involved in stuff I'll bus but when he's involved in stuff I'll always like oh like I think his son was always like oh like I think his son was always like oh like I think his son was right here or I think that he meant this right here or I think that he meant this right here or I think that he meant this um there was a there was a thing that um there was a there was a thing that um there was a there was a thing that came up once we're on live stream fail came up once we're on live stream fail came up once we're on live stream fail he was getting roasted because he he was getting roasted because he he was getting roasted because he referred to somebody he used the referred to somebody he used the referred to somebody he used the expression shit skin to refer to

expression shit skin to refer to expression shit skin to refer to somebody's like the way they looked and somebody's like the way they looked and somebody's like the way they looked and I have only ever heard that in the I have only ever heard that in the I have only ever heard that in the context of forch people talking about context of forch people talking about context of forch people talking about like Indians or like black people like Indians or like black people like Indians or like black people like it's a racial thing but I could like it's a racial thing but I could like it's a racial thing but I could tell the context and everything that he tell the context and everything that he tell the context and everything that he was saying he was insulting some guy I was saying he was insulting some guy I was saying he was insulting some guy I think he was called like Insel Virg think he was called like Insel Virg think he was called like Insel Virg whatever he was going for like acne skin whatever he was going for like acne skin whatever he was going for like acne skin I think that's what he meant when he I think that's what he meant when he I think that's what he meant when he said it and there were a whole bunch of said it and there were a whole bunch of said it and there were a whole bunch of people that were insulting like oh my people that were insulting like oh my people that were insulting like oh my god did he just say racist ter I was god did he just say racist ter I was god did he just say racist ter I was like no I don't think he was racist I like no I don't think he was racist I like no I don't think he was racist I think he was like he was just reaching think he was like he was just reaching think he was like he was just reaching for words and that's what came out um so for words and that's what came out um so for words and that's what came out um so like that's an example of me being Char like that's an example of me being Char like that's an example of me being Char okay but didn't you criticize him for okay but didn't you criticize him for okay but didn't you criticize him for something I I was trying to I like something I I was trying to I like something I I was trying to I like Googled why the hell you guys split out Googled why the hell you guys split out Googled why the hell you guys split out cuz I thought your friends you should be cuz I thought your friends you should be cuz I thought your friends you should be like split up Harris video but go ahead like split up Harris video but go ahead like split up Harris video but go ahead what were is that what is that the so so what were is that what is that the so so what were is that what is that the so so did I feel like you criticized them over did I feel like you criticized them over did I feel like you criticized them over something and I okay this is very vague something and I okay this is very vague something and I okay this is very vague memory but you criticize him over memory but you criticize him over memory but you criticize him over something and I felt that criticism something and I felt that criticism something and I felt that criticism wasn't charitable was it Pete Budd stuff wasn't charitable was it Pete Budd stuff wasn't charitable was it Pete Budd stuff yeah Pete budich yes yes yes yes yes yeah Pete budich yes yes yes yes yes yeah Pete budich yes yes yes yes yes yeah so I've said this a million times yeah so I've said this a million times yeah so I've said this a million times but there no amount of context or no but there no amount of context or no but there no amount of context or no amount of nuances is ever acceptable amount of nuances is ever acceptable amount of nuances is ever acceptable people I don't think Hanan is homophobic people I don't think Hanan is homophobic people I don't think Hanan is homophobic but I think the comments made about Pete but I think the comments made about Pete but I think the comments made about Pete booty judge were really homophobic booty judge were really homophobic booty judge were really homophobic that's what he said right yeah and there that's what he said right yeah and there that's what he said right yeah and there were a lot of people making a lot of were a lot of people making a lot of were a lot of people making a lot of comments that made me really comments that made me really comments that made me really uncomfortable about Pete Buddha judge uncomfortable about Pete Buddha judge uncomfortable about Pete Buddha judge that was insane to me spurred by the that was insane to me spurred by the that was insane to me spurred by the comments of Hassan no but it was an comments of Hassan no but it was an comments of Hassan no but it was an environment of progressives all the environment of progressives all the environment of progressives all the progressives were attacking Pete and I progressives were attacking Pete and I progressives were attacking Pete and I felt like his gayness became like the felt like his gayness became like the felt like his gayness became like the subject of why why throw Hassan under subject of why why throw Hassan under subject of why why throw Hassan under the bus for that CU he was jumping along the bus for that CU he was jumping along the bus for that CU he was jumping along with all of those types of like insults

with all of those types of like insults with all of those types of like insults you don't think you've done the same you don't think you've done the same you don't think you've done the same kind of stuff if I do call me out it and kind of stuff if I do call me out it and kind of stuff if I do call me out it and I'll probably say I shouldn't have done I'll probably say I shouldn't have done I'll probably say I shouldn't have done that that's what the r word was about that that's what the r word was about that that's what the r word was about that's a good call out yeah no but like that's a good call out yeah no but like that's a good call out yeah no but like you're friend like you should privately you're friend like you should privately you're friend like you should privately tell them right like hey well no by then tell them right like hey well no by then tell them right like hey well no by then we were sworn enemies so so that wasn't we were sworn enemies so so that wasn't we were sworn enemies so so that wasn't the reason no no no it was over a KLA the reason no no no it was over a KLA the reason no no no it was over a KLA Harris video sworn enemies he hates me Harris video sworn enemies he hates me Harris video sworn enemies he hates me what am I listen for all of these people what am I listen for all of these people what am I listen for all of these people I will accept them back into my life if I will accept them back into my life if I will accept them back into my life if they ever want to come back in at any they ever want to come back in at any they ever want to come back in at any point but usually they're the ones that point but usually they're the ones that point but usually they're the ones that if they correct themselves right no not if they correct themselves right no not if they correct themselves right no not I'm not expecting anybody here's so I'm not expecting anybody here's so I'm not expecting anybody here's so here's the deal with Vos and ass son here's the deal with Vos and ass son here's the deal with Vos and ass son these are like the three we're the three these are like the three we're the three these are like the three we're the three guys onine none of us will talk to each guys onine none of us will talk to each guys onine none of us will talk to each other um Hassan because he won't give other um Hassan because he won't give other um Hassan because he won't give clout to anybody and Vos because um he clout to anybody and Vos because um he clout to anybody and Vos because um he thinks I'm bad faith and then neither of thinks I'm bad faith and then neither of thinks I'm bad faith and then neither of them will talk to me because they both them will talk to me because they both them will talk to me because they both hate me you guys should go like on a hate me you guys should go like on a hate me you guys should go like on a camping trip together it's like broke camping trip together it's like broke camping trip together it's like broke back M but three-way and just like back M but three-way and just like back M but three-way and just like rejoin refind appre for each other rejoin refind appre for each other rejoin refind appre for each other honestly just from the internet honestly just from the internet honestly just from the internet perspective for me as a just stepping perspective for me as a just stepping perspective for me as a just stepping into this world um there's some aspect into this world um there's some aspect into this world um there's some aspect to which you have a responsibility I to which you have a responsibility I to which you have a responsibility I hate that word you have an you have an hate that word you have an you have an hate that word you have an you have an opportunity I I wish you guys would kind opportunity I I wish you guys would kind opportunity I I wish you guys would kind of be the beacon of like uh forgiveness of be the beacon of like uh forgiveness of be the beacon of like uh forgiveness and friendship and like camaraderie and and friendship and like camaraderie and and friendship and like camaraderie and that I agree and even if we disagree it that I agree and even if we disagree it that I agree and even if we disagree it would be really good content for us to would be really good content for us to would be really good content for us to AR shit talk like friends shit talk sure AR shit talk like friends shit talk sure AR shit talk like friends shit talk sure versus not like the fact that you guys versus not like the fact that you guys versus not like the fact that you guys don't talk to each other like I would don't talk to each other like I would don't talk to each other like I would love for you to shit talk publicly with love for you to shit talk publicly with love for you to shit talk publicly with the camaraderie always there like the camaraderie always there like the camaraderie always there like there's love in the in the beginning there's love in the in the beginning there's love in the in the beginning love in the end but you beat the shit love in the end but you beat the shit love in the end but you beat the shit out of each other in the middle and out of each other in the middle and out of each other in the middle and that's what live streaming is for that's what live streaming is for that's what live streaming is for political discourses that's that's great

political discourses that's that's great political discourses that's that's great political discourse versus I think what political discourse versus I think what political discourse versus I think what underlies it some jealousy and so on underlies it some jealousy and so on underlies it some jealousy and so on with you get this many with you get this many with you get this many follow I just want to make sure you're follow I just want to make sure you're follow I just want to make sure you're clear to your AUD everybody has to your clear to your AUD everybody has to your clear to your AUD everybody has to your audience I'm sure you have flaws and I'm audience I'm sure you have flaws and I'm audience I'm sure you have flaws and I'm just not in this Dynamic hard to find just not in this Dynamic hard to find just not in this Dynamic hard to find you know cuz I'm your only flaw is you know cuz I'm your only flaw is you know cuz I'm your only flaw is you're too modest yeah so what why did you're too modest yeah so what why did you're too modest yeah so what why did you guys split up because I I I would you guys split up because I I I would you guys split up because I I I would love it honestly just let me just put love it honestly just let me just put love it honestly just let me just put that idea out there for you guys to to that idea out there for you guys to to that idea out there for you guys to to to make up and yeah it's out there of to make up and yeah it's out there of to make up and yeah it's out there of course it's everybody talks meos anisan course it's everybody talks meos anisan course it's everybody talks meos anisan it's crazy that like the three largest it's crazy that like the three largest it's crazy that like the three largest like political debate left leaning like political debate left leaning like political debate left leaning people online like can't do any type of people online like can't do any type of people online like can't do any type of content or collaboration at all it's so content or collaboration at all it's so content or collaboration at all it's so stupid yeah what was the reason you guys stupid yeah what was the reason you guys stupid yeah what was the reason you guys split up the the com Harris so Hassan's split up the the com Harris so Hassan's split up the the com Harris so Hassan's entry into kind of like the twitch entry into kind of like the twitch entry into kind of like the twitch political debate world was in I think political debate world was in I think political debate world was in I think 2018 I think he did a debate with 2018 I think he did a debate with 2018 I think he did a debate with Charlie Kirk and he reached out to me to Charlie Kirk and he reached out to me to Charlie Kirk and he reached out to me to kind of like review that debate to like kind of like review that debate to like kind of like review that debate to like go on to go over it on stream and he go on to go over it on stream and he go on to go over it on stream and he came on we went over it and then we kind came on we went over it and then we kind came on we went over it and then we kind of a friendship developed we hung out in of a friendship developed we hung out in of a friendship developed we hung out in real life I think when I came to La I real life I think when I came to La I real life I think when I came to La I think I slept on his couch we played think I slept on his couch we played think I slept on his couch we played with his dog we were like kind of with his dog we were like kind of with his dog we were like kind of friends um and as time went on I think friends um and as time went on I think friends um and as time went on I think he was a little bit he was a little bit he was a little bit more um he was farther left than he let more um he was farther left than he let more um he was farther left than he let on so like I was a Social Democrat he on so like I was a Social Democrat he on so like I was a Social Democrat he was a Social Democrat but back in those was a Social Democrat but back in those was a Social Democrat but back in those days like 2018 when people said they days like 2018 when people said they days like 2018 when people said they were a Social Democrat they really meant were a Social Democrat they really meant were a Social Democrat they really meant socialist but they just didn't want to socialist but they just didn't want to socialist but they just didn't want to say it so he was farther left than me say it so he was farther left than me say it so he was farther left than me and we had a lot of deep divides in our and we had a lot of deep divides in our and we had a lot of deep divides in our approach to politics um whereas like I approach to politics um whereas like I approach to politics um whereas like I was very much like a first principles was very much like a first principles was very much like a first principles this is my whole political position and this is my whole political position and this is my whole political position and he was very much kind of like a this is

he was very much kind of like a this is he was very much kind of like a this is like the political ideology I'm involved like the political ideology I'm involved like the political ideology I'm involved in and this is kind of like the field in and this is kind of like the field in and this is kind of like the field that I kind of like navigate in so there that I kind of like navigate in so there that I kind of like navigate in so there were a couple instances where these were a couple instances where these were a couple instances where these divides would be laid very bare one was divides would be laid very bare one was divides would be laid very bare one was when I it was either him or The Young when I it was either him or The Young when I it was either him or The Young Turks I think it was him there was a Turks I think it was him there was a Turks I think it was him there was a shooting in a neighborhood where very shooting in a neighborhood where very shooting in a neighborhood where very young black child gets killed by a white young black child gets killed by a white young black child gets killed by a white shooter and they did a video about like shooter and they did a video about like shooter and they did a video about like hate crimes and how hate crimes are on hate crimes and how hate crimes are on hate crimes and how hate crimes are on the rise between races and white people the rise between races and white people the rise between races and white people are evil and blah blah blah not not that are evil and blah blah blah not not that are evil and blah blah blah not not that but like white people committing hate but like white people committing hate but like white people committing hate crimes against black people and I crimes against black people and I crimes against black people and I remember saying to him I was like hey we remember saying to him I was like hey we remember saying to him I was like hey we don't have all the data yet for this it don't have all the data yet for this it don't have all the data yet for this it feels really bad B to make videos about feels really bad B to make videos about feels really bad B to make videos about this beforehand CU this is the same type this beforehand CU this is the same type this beforehand CU this is the same type of shit that happens at airports you of shit that happens at airports you of shit that happens at airports you know uh is there a thing going on was it know uh is there a thing going on was it know uh is there a thing going on was it a brown person are they Muslim it's a brown person are they Muslim it's a brown person are they Muslim it's Islamic extremism we see this played out Islamic extremism we see this played out Islamic extremism we see this played out so many times in recent history probably so many times in recent history probably so many times in recent history probably not a good idea to jump to conclusions not a good idea to jump to conclusions not a good idea to jump to conclusions and he's like well no you don't and he's like well no you don't and he's like well no you don't understand like it's not that big a deal understand like it's not that big a deal understand like it's not that big a deal whatever and obviously as The Story Goes whatever and obviously as The Story Goes whatever and obviously as The Story Goes Taylor's old as time the data comes out Taylor's old as time the data comes out Taylor's old as time the data comes out it was just an errant shot there was it was just an errant shot there was it was just an errant shot there was like gang violence shot goes out of like gang violence shot goes out of like gang violence shot goes out of nowhere hits a kid in the car it wasn't nowhere hits a kid in the car it wasn't nowhere hits a kid in the car it wasn't like a hate crime the guy was trying to like a hate crime the guy was trying to like a hate crime the guy was trying to kill a kid but yeah we basically we we kill a kid but yeah we basically we we kill a kid but yeah we basically we we bump up against a few kind of political bump up against a few kind of political bump up against a few kind of political disagreements like this disagreements like this disagreements like this and an annoying thing is happening in my and an annoying thing is happening in my and an annoying thing is happening in my community where Hassan is like the community where Hassan is like the community where Hassan is like the serious political figure cuz he's from serious political figure cuz he's from serious political figure cuz he's from The Young Turks and I'm just kind of The Young Turks and I'm just kind of The Young Turks and I'm just kind of like I do politics but I also game and like I do politics but I also game and like I do politics but I also game and anytime I criticize Assan people like anytime I criticize Assan people like anytime I criticize Assan people like Destiny you need to be more respectful Destiny you need to be more respectful Destiny you need to be more respectful he does this fulltime if you're going to he does this fulltime if you're going to he does this fulltime if you're going to bring criticisms you need to be like bring criticisms you need to be like bring criticisms you need to be like really well read and researched because really well read and researched because really well read and researched because he's got a you know more serious he's got a you know more serious he's got a you know more serious whatever which I thought was ridiculous whatever which I thought was ridiculous whatever which I thought was ridiculous so by the way for people who don't know so by the way for people who don't know so by the way for people who don't know he worked at The Young Turks which is he worked at The Young Turks which is he worked at The Young Turks which is like the largest left-leaning YouTube like the largest left-leaning YouTube like the largest left-leaning YouTube channel probably or us at least at the channel probably or us at least at the channel probably or us at least at the time yeah so finally he did a video on

time yeah so finally he did a video on time yeah so finally he did a video on skip ahead to some more minor skip ahead to some more minor skip ahead to some more minor disagreement he does a video on kamla disagreement he does a video on kamla disagreement he does a video on kamla Harris he calls it Cala Harris and it's Harris he calls it Cala Harris and it's Harris he calls it Cala Harris and it's like seven or eight horrible things like seven or eight horrible things like seven or eight horrible things about kamla Harris and I'm like okay I about kamla Harris and I'm like okay I about kamla Harris and I'm like okay I know at least one or two of these things know at least one or two of these things know at least one or two of these things are not fully accurate so I'm going to are not fully accurate so I'm going to are not fully accurate so I'm going to do all the research I'm going to have do all the research I'm going to have do all the research I'm going to have all the sources and we're going to have all the sources and we're going to have all the sources and we're going to have a long conversation about it so that now a long conversation about it so that now a long conversation about it so that now when I provide criticism to him it's not when I provide criticism to him it's not when I provide criticism to him it's not going to be like this horrible like just going to be like this horrible like just going to be like this horrible like just me saying something flippantly or me saying something flippantly or me saying something flippantly or whatever it's going to be like whatever it's going to be like whatever it's going to be like substantial criticism so I was on a substantial criticism so I was on a substantial criticism so I was on a plane ride um JFK to Orlando whatever uh plane ride um JFK to Orlando whatever uh plane ride um JFK to Orlando whatever uh flying to Sweden to visit my wife and flying to Sweden to visit my wife and flying to Sweden to visit my wife and on the plane I review all the video all on the plane I review all the video all on the plane I review all the video all the data do all the research and I write the data do all the research and I write the data do all the research and I write everything I'm was like okay I get to my everything I'm was like okay I get to my everything I'm was like okay I get to my um my wife's dad's house and I'm at the um my wife's dad's house and I'm at the um my wife's dad's house and I'm at the table we're having a conversation like table we're having a conversation like table we're having a conversation like hey we should talk about the kamla hey we should talk about the kamla hey we should talk about the kamla Harris stuff and he's like okay well Harris stuff and he's like okay well Harris stuff and he's like okay well let's do it and we go over it and I'll let's do it and we go over it and I'll let's do it and we go over it and I'll leave to the audience to watch the video leave to the audience to watch the video leave to the audience to watch the video enough people will say this I feel enough people will say this I feel enough people will say this I feel pretty confident saying this I was pretty confident saying this I was pretty confident saying this I was pretty reasonable pretty measured pretty pretty reasonable pretty measured pretty pretty reasonable pretty measured pretty calm the whole time and I think he calm the whole time and I think he calm the whole time and I think he started to get increasingly irritated started to get increasingly irritated started to get increasingly irritated that I was levying like more and more that I was levying like more and more that I was levying like more and more serious criticisms at like the quality serious criticisms at like the quality serious criticisms at like the quality of work that he did um probably because of work that he did um probably because of work that he did um probably because he felt a little bit intimidated I think he felt a little bit intimidated I think he felt a little bit intimidated I think by my willingness to like dive through by my willingness to like dive through by my willingness to like dive through political stuff there' been a couple of political stuff there' been a couple of political stuff there' been a couple of awkward blowups where like on um there's awkward blowups where like on um there's awkward blowups where like on um there's like a show called the Raj Royale where like a show called the Raj Royale where like a show called the Raj Royale where sometimes politics would come up and sometimes politics would come up and sometimes politics would come up and Hassan would kind of try to explain Hassan would kind of try to explain Hassan would kind of try to explain something and there was another person something and there was another person something and there was another person one time on the show that made the joke one time on the show that made the joke one time on the show that made the joke it's like instead of Hassan taking 10 it's like instead of Hassan taking 10 it's like instead of Hassan taking 10 minutes to explain this cantin he just minutes to explain this cantin he just minutes to explain this cantin he just come here and explain it in 30 seconds come here and explain it in 30 seconds come here and explain it in 30 seconds and he like exploded that he got so and he like exploded that he got so and he like exploded that he got so fucking mad at that um so yeah I think fucking mad at that um so yeah I think fucking mad at that um so yeah I think that when I made that kind of call out that when I made that kind of call out that when I made that kind of call out or critique of him over the KL Harris

or critique of him over the KL Harris or critique of him over the KL Harris stuff he's probably feeling like stuff he's probably feeling like stuff he's probably feeling like increasingly irritated threatened increasingly irritated threatened increasingly irritated threatened agitated and then that's kind of what agitated and then that's kind of what agitated and then that's kind of what began the huge split from our so you began the huge split from our so you began the huge split from our so you don't think you were a dick at all I don't think you were a dick at all I don't think you were a dick at all I don't think so in that conversation um don't think so in that conversation um don't think so in that conversation um especially given that like at that point especially given that like at that point especially given that like at that point because this is still 2018 or 20 this because this is still 2018 or 20 this because this is still 2018 or 20 this might be 2019 I'm still known at that might be 2019 I'm still known at that might be 2019 I'm still known at that point as being very aggressive towards point as being very aggressive towards point as being very aggressive towards conservatives or all writers oh gota conservatives or all writers oh gota conservatives or all writers oh gota yeah so and with lefties is what I call yeah so and with lefties is what I call yeah so and with lefties is what I call them I think I'm being like very gentle them I think I'm being like very gentle them I think I'm being like very gentle like my conversation start with like my conversation start with like my conversation start with conservatives like you're a fucking conservatives like you're a fucking conservatives like you're a fucking idiot you're so don't like that's how idiot you're so don't like that's how idiot you're so don't like that's how I'm like doing so like with him I'm like I'm like doing so like with him I'm like I'm like doing so like with him I'm like well don't you think that like this is well don't you think that like this is well don't you think that like this is like a little bit of like an like a little bit of like an like a little bit of like an inconsistent presentation how like I inconsistent presentation how like I inconsistent presentation how like I feel going be nice but I always leave to feel going be nice but I always leave to feel going be nice but I always leave to the audience they can go and watch that the audience they can go and watch that the audience they can go and watch that kamla video kamla Harris video Destiny kamla video kamla Harris video Destiny kamla video kamla Harris video Destiny of son if they think that I was being a of son if they think that I was being a of son if they think that I was being a d but a lot of people watching said I d but a lot of people watching said I d but a lot of people watching said I was being pretty gentle so well let me was being pretty gentle so well let me was being pretty gentle so well let me say yeah as a new fan of this space I say yeah as a new fan of this space I say yeah as a new fan of this space I hope you guys make up and I hope you hope you guys make up and I hope you hope you guys make up and I hope you guys fight it out in the space of guys fight it out in the space of guys fight it out in the space of discourse and ideas me too and also with discourse and ideas me too and also with discourse and ideas me too and also with empathy understanding what the strength empathy understanding what the strength empathy understanding what the strength of the other person is what their of the other person is what their of the other person is what their buttons are and and you know there's buttons are and and you know there's buttons are and and you know there's like an unspoken rule that you don't like an unspoken rule that you don't like an unspoken rule that you don't press the buttons that you don't need to press the buttons that you don't need to press the buttons that you don't need to unless you're doing it mutually and it's unless you're doing it mutually and it's unless you're doing it mutually and it's fun because you know you it's fun to fun because you know you it's fun to fun because you know you it's fun to piss each other off so yeah course piss each other off so yeah course piss each other off so yeah course that's kind of like what friends do you that's kind of like what friends do you that's kind of like what friends do you don't cross a certain line U but then don't cross a certain line U but then don't cross a certain line U but then other than that you fight it out okay other than that you fight it out okay other than that you fight it out okay let's step back one other super let's step back one other super let's step back one other super interesting aspect of your worldview is interesting aspect of your worldview is interesting aspect of your worldview is your big supporter of Biden can you your big supporter of Biden can you your big supporter of Biden can you explain what you love about Biden do you explain what you love about Biden do you explain what you love about Biden do you love Biden more than Sean Carroll or love Biden more than Sean Carroll or love Biden more than Sean Carroll or less Sean Carol is just like in another

less Sean Carol is just like in another less Sean Carol is just like in another world of gotcha admiration I feel like world of gotcha admiration I feel like world of gotcha admiration I feel like I'm culturally appropriating You by I'm culturally appropriating You by I'm culturally appropriating You by saying gotcha now but it's so convenient saying gotcha now but it's so convenient saying gotcha now but it's so convenient it's an easy word you're just I now it's an easy word you're just I now it's an easy word you're just I now we're on the same wavelength okay we're we're on the same wavelength okay we're we're on the same wavelength okay we're synchronizing that's good I mean it is synchronizing that's good I mean it is synchronizing that's good I mean it is really interesting because even the really interesting because even the really interesting because even the people that support bid usually don't people that support bid usually don't people that support bid usually don't say they love sort of they don't support say they love sort of they don't support say they love sort of they don't support it strongly you know ideologically it strongly you know ideologically it strongly you know ideologically philosophically the reason why I like philosophically the reason why I like philosophically the reason why I like Biden is cu he's really committed to Biden is cu he's really committed to Biden is cu he's really committed to this bringing the left and right this bringing the left and right this bringing the left and right together which is something we so together which is something we so together which is something we so desperate certain need in the country desperate certain need in the country desperate certain need in the country and his you know statements over and and his you know statements over and and his you know statements over and over again of like I'm not uh the over again of like I'm not uh the over again of like I'm not uh the Democrat president or the Republican Democrat president or the Republican Democrat president or the Republican president I'm the president of the president I'm the president of the president I'm the president of the United States his desire to bring United States his desire to bring United States his desire to bring Republicans together to work on things Republicans together to work on things Republicans together to work on things like the infrastructure bill um that's like the infrastructure bill um that's like the infrastructure bill um that's so incredibly needed and I have a huge so incredibly needed and I have a huge so incredibly needed and I have a huge amount of respect and admiration for him amount of respect and admiration for him amount of respect and admiration for him for trying to push through on that for trying to push through on that for trying to push through on that message do you think then it's message do you think then it's message do you think then it's unfortunate that he made that comment unfortunate that he made that comment unfortunate that he made that comment about magga magga Republicans yeah I about magga magga Republicans yeah I about magga magga Republicans yeah I mean I forget what the comment was but mean I forget what the comment was but mean I forget what the comment was but it's Maga Republicans are not good it's Maga Republicans are not good it's Maga Republicans are not good people kind of thing I watched the full people kind of thing I watched the full people kind of thing I watched the full video and he's right there is this toxic video and he's right there is this toxic video and he's right there is this toxic aspect and it's hard to call out because aspect and it's hard to call out because aspect and it's hard to call out because they're always going to spend like oh he they're always going to spend like oh he they're always going to spend like oh he hits our Republicans he's not if you hits our Republicans he's not if you hits our Republicans he's not if you watch the quote he's very specifically watch the quote he's very specifically watch the quote he's very specifically calling out like this this group of calling out like this this group of calling out like this this group of people that think that the election was people that think that the election was people that think that the election was fraudulent is it clear what he meant by fraudulent is it clear what he meant by fraudulent is it clear what he meant by we can bring it up all right this is oh we can bring it up all right this is oh we can bring it up all right this is oh no uh oh but I remember watching our no uh oh but I remember watching our no uh oh but I remember watching our stream was like if you said it yeah stream was like if you said it yeah stream was like if you said it yeah that's bad you can probably like YouTube that's bad you can probably like YouTube that's bad you can probably like YouTube magga Republicans Biden but like it magga Republicans Biden but like it magga Republicans Biden but like it feels like it's pretty clear he's feels like it's pretty clear he's feels like it's pretty clear he's talking about the people that are like talking about the people that are like talking about the people that are like election denying to much of what's election denying to much of what's election denying to much of what's happening in our country today is not

happening in our country today is not happening in our country today is not normal Donald Trump and the magga normal Donald Trump and the magga normal Donald Trump and the magga Republicans represent an extremism that Republicans represent an extremism that Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our threatens the very foundations of our threatens the very foundations of our Republic now I want to be very clear Republic now I want to be very clear Republic now I want to be very clear listen to this great clear up listen to this great clear up listen to this great clear up front not every Republican not even the front not every Republican not even the front not every Republican not even the majority of Republicans are magga majority of Republicans are magga majority of Republicans are magga Republicans not every Republican Republicans not every Republican Republicans not every Republican Embraces their extreme Embraces their extreme Embraces their extreme ideology I I know CU I've been able to ideology I I know CU I've been able to ideology I I know CU I've been able to work with these mainstream work with these mainstream work with these mainstream Republicans but there's no question that Republicans but there's no question that Republicans but there's no question that the Republican party today is dominated the Republican party today is dominated the Republican party today is dominated driven and driven and driven and intimidated by Donald Trump and the intimidated by Donald Trump and the intimidated by Donald Trump and the magga magga magga Republicans and that is a threat to this Republicans and that is a threat to this Republicans and that is a threat to this country I disagree with that man he country I disagree with that man he country I disagree with that man he didn't Clearly say extremist ideology he didn't Clearly say extremist ideology he didn't Clearly say extremist ideology he didn't say the people that doubt the didn't say the people that doubt the didn't say the people that doubt the validity of the election I mean that's validity of the election I mean that's validity of the election I mean that's Donald Trump no but there's that's all Donald Trump no but there's that's all Donald Trump no but there's that's all the candidates that Donald Trump is the candidates that Donald Trump is the candidates that Donald Trump is supporting how many what is it like 40 supporting how many what is it like 40 supporting how many what is it like 40 50 how many candidates right now that 50 how many candidates right now that 50 how many candidates right now that are Mega candidates are elections but are Mega candidates are elections but are Mega candidates are elections but there's uh you know 80 million or there's uh you know 80 million or there's uh you know 80 million or whatever people voted for Donald Trump whatever people voted for Donald Trump whatever people voted for Donald Trump you could say that's the magga you could say that's the magga you could say that's the magga Republicans so to me it sounded like he Republicans so to me it sounded like he Republicans so to me it sounded like he was referring to not even the majority I was referring to not even the majority I was referring to not even the majority I mean that that's one nice helpful mean that that's one nice helpful mean that that's one nice helpful clarifying statement but it's basically clarifying statement but it's basically clarifying statement but it's basically there's the mainstream Republicans and there's the mainstream Republicans and there's the mainstream Republicans and then there's those that voted for Donald then there's those that voted for Donald then there's those that voted for Donald Trump that's the way I heard it okay and Trump that's the way I heard it okay and Trump that's the way I heard it okay and like so maybe should have done a better like so maybe should have done a better like so maybe should have done a better job at clarifying but yeah I feel like

job at clarifying but yeah I feel like job at clarifying but yeah I feel like there's like a clear there is a huge there's like a clear there is a huge there's like a clear there is a huge problem with this group of Americans problem with this group of Americans problem with this group of Americans that think that like the election is that think that like the election is that think that like the election is stolen I feel like that's what he's stolen I feel like that's what he's stolen I feel like that's what he's trying to call no trying to call no trying to call no matter if that's what he meant even matter if that's what he meant even matter if that's what he meant even flirting with that line is not a person flirting with that line is not a person flirting with that line is not a person who's bringing people together I feel who's bringing people together I feel who's bringing people together I feel like the extending a hand to the like like the extending a hand to the like like the extending a hand to the like most I've worked with republicans in most I've worked with republicans in most I've worked with republicans in Congress not all not even a majority of Congress not all not even a majority of Congress not all not even a majority of Republicans are like this no but why say Republicans are like this no but why say Republicans are like this no but why say not the majority of Republicans that not the majority of Republicans that not the majority of Republicans that like this say like we are like a we're like this say like we are like a we're like this say like we are like a we're one country we believe the same thing so one country we believe the same thing so one country we believe the same thing so like focus on the uniting part versus like focus on the uniting part versus like focus on the uniting part versus say maybe he does before and after that say maybe he does before and after that say maybe he does before and after that was 50 seconds okay but that you never was 50 seconds okay but that you never was 50 seconds okay but that you never the point is you never say something the point is you never say something the point is you never say something like that listen like that you you've like that listen like that you you've like that listen like that you you've spoken about the Bosnia speech which is spoken about the Bosnia speech which is spoken about the Bosnia speech which is your favorite of his yeah I went back to your favorite of his yeah I went back to your favorite of his yeah I went back to and listen to it before I move to that and listen to it before I move to that and listen to it before I move to that just on this it's really hard for him to just on this it's really hard for him to just on this it's really hard for him to call out that group of like election call out that group of like election call out that group of like election deniers I think without it always deniers I think without it always deniers I think without it always feeling like well why call them out feeling like well why call them out feeling like well why call them out because it's arguably one of the most because it's arguably one of the most because it's arguably one of the most destructive forces that exist in this destructive forces that exist in this destructive forces that exist in this country today did it destroy anything country today did it destroy anything country today did it destroy anything they were trying to did it though it they were trying to did it though it they were trying to did it though it didn't did it so does that mean we don't didn't did it so does that mean we don't didn't did it so does that mean we don't call it out we wait till next time no call it out we wait till next time no call it out we wait till next time no because calling it out is giving fuel to because calling it out is giving fuel to because calling it out is giving fuel to the division like the people that the division like the people that the division like the people that doubted the validity of the election doubted the validity of the election doubted the validity of the election that's anger that's frustration with the that's anger that's frustration with the that's anger that's frustration with the other side you heal that as opposed to other side you heal that as opposed to other side you heal that as opposed to saying all those people that believed saying all those people that believed saying all those people that believed that at any time are idiots they're that at any time are idiots they're that at any time are idiots they're American I mean they don't think the American I mean they don't think the American I mean they don't think the election was real I don't know if Biden election was real I don't know if Biden election was real I don't know if Biden has the ears of these people at all I

has the ears of these people at all I has the ears of these people at all I don't know what he can do for there's don't know what he can do for there's don't know what he can do for there's people that believe the same thing on people that believe the same thing on people that believe the same thing on the in 2016 with the Russian hacking the in 2016 with the Russian hacking the in 2016 with the Russian hacking right there's this hold on yes that is a right there's this hold on yes that is a right there's this hold on yes that is a super not fair super not fair super not fair comparison there were definitely the comparison there were definitely the comparison there were definitely the mainstream Democrat opinion was that mainstream Democrat opinion was that mainstream Democrat opinion was that Russian um intrusion in terms of like Russian um intrusion in terms of like Russian um intrusion in terms of like social media and stuff happened but social media and stuff happened but social media and stuff happened but there was never a claim that like the there was never a claim that like the there was never a claim that like the election was stolen no or at least I election was stolen no or at least I election was stolen no or at least I don't know of any mainstream Democrat don't know of any mainstream Democrat don't know of any mainstream Democrat that supported that Donald Trump is not that supported that Donald Trump is not that supported that Donald Trump is not just saying there was interference and just saying there was interference and just saying there was interference and blah blah blah Donald Trump is literally blah blah blah Donald Trump is literally blah blah blah Donald Trump is literally saying the election was literally stolen saying the election was literally stolen saying the election was literally stolen that vote boxes were ballot boxes were that vote boxes were ballot boxes were that vote boxes were ballot boxes were hidden that vote tallies were hidden that vote tallies were hidden that vote tallies were manipulated that I think the claim is manipulated that I think the claim is manipulated that I think the claim is there's a huge Gulf of difference there's a huge Gulf of difference there's a huge Gulf of difference between the two so you can attack Donald between the two so you can attack Donald between the two so you can attack Donald Trump for that yeah I believe it's not Trump for that yeah I believe it's not Trump for that yeah I believe it's not the words of a uniter to the words of a uniter to the words of a uniter to attack people that believe attack people that believe attack people that believe that you could argue maybe it's okay but that you could argue maybe it's okay but that you could argue maybe it's okay but especially not being super clear about especially not being super clear about especially not being super clear about that about who you're referring to when that about who you're referring to when that about who you're referring to when you say magga Republicans okay cuz you say magga Republicans okay cuz you say magga Republicans okay cuz Maga is a Maga is a Maga is a hat and a slogan that refers hat and a slogan that refers hat and a slogan that refers to whatever the number is 70 million to whatever the number is 70 million to whatever the number is 70 million people whoever they voted for Donald people whoever they voted for Donald people whoever they voted for Donald Trump like of all the Republicans that Trump like of all the Republicans that Trump like of all the Republicans that consider Mega Republicans what consider Mega Republicans what consider Mega Republicans what percentage of them do you think believe percentage of them do you think believe percentage of them do you think believe the election was stolen I feel like that the election was stolen I feel like that the election was stolen I feel like that number is I don't have the P but I feel number is I don't have the P but I feel number is I don't have the P but I feel like number is like probably more than like number is like probably more than like number is like probably more than 70% what's what's the magga Republican 70% what's what's the magga Republican 70% what's what's the magga Republican maybe I'm not like a trump like a trump maybe I'm not like a trump like a trump maybe I'm not like a trump like a trump supporting Republican magga Republican supporting Republican magga Republican supporting Republican magga Republican they're there for Trump what's the

they're there for Trump what's the they're there for Trump what's the difference between somebody that voted difference between somebody that voted difference between somebody that voted for Trump and uh Maga Republican and a for Trump and uh Maga Republican and a for Trump and uh Maga Republican and a magga republican so my mom is a Maga magga republican so my mom is a Maga magga republican so my mom is a Maga Republican if Trump ran independently Republican if Trump ran independently Republican if Trump ran independently and Des santz ran under the Republican and Des santz ran under the Republican and Des santz ran under the Republican ticket my mom would vote for Trump ticket my mom would vote for Trump ticket my mom would vote for Trump She'll follow him to the end of the She'll follow him to the end of the She'll follow him to the end of the Earth that's like a Maga Republican I Earth that's like a Maga Republican I Earth that's like a Maga Republican I think it's easy to mistake that think it's easy to mistake that think it's easy to mistake that distinction in these kinds of political distinction in these kinds of political distinction in these kinds of political speeches CU to me anybody who voted for speeches CU to me anybody who voted for speeches CU to me anybody who voted for Trump can easily in the in the context Trump can easily in the in the context Trump can easily in the in the context of the speech be interpreted as a MAG of of the speech be interpreted as a MAG of of the speech be interpreted as a MAG of Republican gotcha I understand what you're saying gotcha I understand what you're saying maybe he could have been more clear but maybe he could have been more clear but maybe he could have been more clear but like I think in listening to that like I like I think in listening to that like I like I think in listening to that like I think it's pretty obvious who he's think it's pretty obvious who he's think it's pretty obvious who he's talking about but I guess if you're have talking about but I guess if you're have talking about but I guess if you're have an emotional response to it I can an emotional response to it I can an emotional response to it I can understand the emotional response but understand the emotional response but understand the emotional response but there's a lot of people I don't have an there's a lot of people I don't have an there's a lot of people I don't have an emotional response I just don't like I emotional response I just don't like I emotional response I just don't like I think uh I'm with what is it Michelle think uh I'm with what is it Michelle think uh I'm with what is it Michelle Obama they go low we go high meaning Obama they go low we go high meaning Obama they go low we go high meaning like to me a uniter doesn't participate like to me a uniter doesn't participate like to me a uniter doesn't participate in in in sure uniter might not but a leader has sure uniter might not but a leader has sure uniter might not but a leader has to be able to accurately assess the to be able to accurately assess the to be able to accurately assess the situation before him and make people situation before him and make people situation before him and make people aware of what's going on you mean all aware of what's going on you mean all aware of what's going on you mean all the impeachment trials all the censoring the impeachment trials all the censoring the impeachment trials all the censoring from social media all of that didn't do from social media all of that didn't do from social media all of that didn't do the job that's not his job I don't know the job that's not his job I don't know the job that's not his job I don't know about censoring that mechanism his job about censoring that mechanism his job about censoring that mechanism his job is to inspire a nation to unite a nation is to inspire a nation to unite a nation is to inspire a nation to unite a nation how can he do that when half the people how can he do that when half the people how can he do that when half the people don't believe that he was even don't believe that he was even don't believe that he was even legitimately elected like I think he's legitimately elected like I think he's legitimately elected like I think he's done a good job at working on done a good job at working on done a good job at working on legislation and doing stuff that legislation and doing stuff that legislation and doing stuff that hopefully benefits all Americans but I hopefully benefits all Americans but I hopefully benefits all Americans but I think it's important to recognize that think it's important to recognize that think it's important to recognize that like there is a contingent of Americans like there is a contingent of Americans like there is a contingent of Americans that that that don't even believe like this iszy there don't even believe like this iszy there don't even believe like this iszy there plenty of people that recognize that and plenty of people that recognize that and plenty of people that recognize that and are fighting that and are constantly are fighting that and are constantly are fighting that and are constantly screaming that from the rooftops his job

screaming that from the rooftops his job screaming that from the rooftops his job is to be the inspiring figure that makes is to be the inspiring figure that makes is to be the inspiring figure that makes the majority of Americans be proud for the majority of Americans be proud for the majority of Americans be proud for him to be a president of of the nation him to be a president of of the nation him to be a president of of the nation they love and that's what the uniting they love and that's what the uniting they love and that's what the uniting aspect is is you remind people that we aspect is is you remind people that we aspect is is you remind people that we are one and we love this country we love are one and we love this country we love are one and we love this country we love the ideas that it represents does that the ideas that it represents does that the ideas that it represents does that in other parts of that speech it's like in other parts of that speech it's like in other parts of that speech it's like a 20-minute speech isn't it but that's a 20-minute speech isn't it but that's a 20-minute speech isn't it but that's that's a fuckup you just don't that's a fuckup you just don't that's a fuckup you just don't participate in that division anyway I I participate in that division anyway I I participate in that division anyway I I I understand I understand I just wanted I understand I understand I just wanted I understand I understand I just wanted to push back on the saying one of the to push back on the saying one of the to push back on the saying one of the his strength is that he's uh he's his strength is that he's uh he's his strength is that he's uh he's uniting but yes that that is an ideal uniting but yes that that is an ideal uniting but yes that that is an ideal that is a goal is a great one and he is that is a goal is a great one and he is that is a goal is a great one and he is one that um espoused that goal uh for a one that um espoused that goal uh for a one that um espoused that goal uh for a long time do you think um what else so long time do you think um what else so long time do you think um what else so from policy perspective and so on I from policy perspective and so on I from policy perspective and so on I thought the way he's handled Ukraine and thought the way he's handled Ukraine and thought the way he's handled Ukraine and everything thus far has been almost everything thus far has been almost everything thus far has been almost perfect I think did a really good job um perfect I think did a really good job um perfect I think did a really good job um at at the political maneuvering at at at the political maneuvering at at at the political maneuvering at bringing other countries into the fold bringing other countries into the fold bringing other countries into the fold at establishing clearly like what our at establishing clearly like what our at establishing clearly like what our mission was in relation to Ukraine I mission was in relation to Ukraine I mission was in relation to Ukraine I thought he did a good job there um I thought he did a good job there um I thought he did a good job there um I admire him for pulling out of admire him for pulling out of admire him for pulling out of Afghanistan even it was a little bit Afghanistan even it was a little bit Afghanistan even it was a little bit rough on the edges like we got out and rough on the edges like we got out and rough on the edges like we got out and we're gone no American lives are lost um we're gone no American lives are lost um we're gone no American lives are lost um the uh domestic policy he's passed more the uh domestic policy he's passed more the uh domestic policy he's passed more major legislation than I think anybody major legislation than I think anybody major legislation than I think anybody thought possible um the green energy thought possible um the green energy thought possible um the green energy stuff with the last bill the stuff with the last bill the stuff with the last bill the infrastructure bill um a lot of the infrastructure bill um a lot of the infrastructure bill um a lot of the coron virus relief I thought was really coron virus relief I thought was really coron virus relief I thought was really good especially the expansion of the good especially the expansion of the good especially the expansion of the child tax credit um so from a policy child tax credit um so from a policy child tax credit um so from a policy perspective foreign and domestic I think perspective foreign and domestic I think perspective foreign and domestic I think he's been successful rhetorically I he's been successful rhetorically I he's been successful rhetorically I think he's generally been above board in think he's generally been above board in think he's generally been above board in terms of like not attacking people being terms of like not attacking people being terms of like not attacking people being too divisive um he's trying to bring

too divisive um he's trying to bring too divisive um he's trying to bring people together and work on them what do people together and work on them what do people together and work on them what do you think about the sort of popular in you think about the sort of popular in you think about the sort of popular in the media criticism of his mental the media criticism of his mental the media criticism of his mental decline do you think he's experiencing decline do you think he's experiencing decline do you think he's experiencing know he's an guy but do you think I know he's an guy but do you think I know he's an guy but do you think I mean yeah maybe a little bit but he's mean yeah maybe a little bit but he's mean yeah maybe a little bit but he's still doing a good job so you know not still doing a good job so you know not still doing a good job so you know not from a speech perspective you mean from from a speech perspective you mean from from a speech perspective you mean from a policy perspective yeah I'm analyzing a policy perspective yeah I'm analyzing a policy perspective yeah I'm analyzing it as a job yeah from speech perspective it as a job yeah from speech perspective it as a job yeah from speech perspective maybe not the greatest but um yeah I maybe not the greatest but um yeah I maybe not the greatest but um yeah I mean he's definitely what is he like 80 mean he's definitely what is he like 80 mean he's definitely what is he like 80 81 how old is he I lose track after so 81 how old is he I lose track after so 81 how old is he I lose track after so many years yeah MH but you did say that many years yeah MH but you did say that many years yeah MH but you did say that he's probably going to run in 2024 and he's probably going to run in 2024 and he's probably going to run in 2024 and he's probably going to win did I say he's probably going to win did I say he's probably going to win did I say that that he's probably going to win no that that he's probably going to win no that that he's probably going to win no way did I say that somewhere he's way did I say that somewhere he's way did I say that somewhere he's probably going to run okay uh who knows probably going to run okay uh who knows probably going to run okay uh who knows who will win but I think um I feel like who will win but I think um I feel like who will win but I think um I feel like the incumbent Advantage is so strong you the incumbent Advantage is so strong you the incumbent Advantage is so strong you really going to throw that away like really going to throw that away like really going to throw that away like think it's been like one or two times in think it's been like one or two times in think it's been like one or two times in history in the US right where like the history in the US right where like the history in the US right where like the non-incumbent they the parties put non-incumbent they the parties put non-incumbent they the parties put somebody else up yeah I mean the the somebody else up yeah I mean the the somebody else up yeah I mean the the concern is like the just the age and the concern is like the just the age and the concern is like the just the age and the the the mental decline just the the wear the the mental decline just the the wear the the mental decline just the the wear and tear of the campaign all that kind and tear of the campaign all that kind and tear of the campaign all that kind of stuff all the speech you have to make of stuff all the speech you have to make of stuff all the speech you have to make the debates and all that kind of stuff the debates and all that kind of stuff the debates and all that kind of stuff yeah I guess we see what yeah I guess we see what yeah I guess we see what happens what the least excited uh I mean happens what the least excited uh I mean happens what the least excited uh I mean two years for now was a long time and two years for now was a long time and two years for now was a long time and his current mental state he could run his current mental state he could run his current mental state he could run and do it he could do a passible job in and do it he could do a passible job in and do it he could do a passible job in two years man I don't know I've seen two years man I don't know I've seen two years man I don't know I've seen videos of Bill Clinton recently he's videos of Bill Clinton recently he's videos of Bill Clinton recently he's looking pretty rough um you know if looking pretty rough um you know if looking pretty rough um you know if Biden is looking a lot more rough Biden is looking a lot more rough Biden is looking a lot more rough worse for wear in two years than maybe worse for wear in two years than maybe worse for wear in two years than maybe they actually do have to dig out another they actually do have to dig out another they actually do have to dig out another person uh for run you who person uh for run you who person uh for run you who knows what do you think about Trump when

knows what do you think about Trump when knows what do you think about Trump when he won in 2016 I think is when you came he won in 2016 I think is when you came he won in 2016 I think is when you came to fruition politically speaking so what to fruition politically speaking so what to fruition politically speaking so what do you think his winning the 2016 do you think his winning the 2016 do you think his winning the 2016 election election election represents so for me Trump the the represents so for me Trump the the represents so for me Trump the the reason why I got into politics um was reason why I got into politics um was reason why I got into politics um was Trump was like this new epistemic force Trump was like this new epistemic force Trump was like this new epistemic force in American politics that like You' kind in American politics that like You' kind in American politics that like You' kind of have to like flirt with facts before of have to like flirt with facts before of have to like flirt with facts before even if you wanted to be non-factual he even if you wanted to be non-factual he even if you wanted to be non-factual he super didn't care lying was like a first super didn't care lying was like a first super didn't care lying was like a first language to him just like and speaking language to him just like and speaking language to him just like and speaking in terms of like the the way that he in terms of like the the way that he in terms of like the the way that he used language to just say to you what he used language to just say to you what he used language to just say to you what he felt like you needed to hear to support felt like you needed to hear to support felt like you needed to hear to support him and not care at all about what is him and not care at all about what is him and not care at all about what is going on about yeah that that's that's going on about yeah that that's that's going on about yeah that that's that's what Trump represented to me in terms of what Trump represented to me in terms of what Trump represented to me in terms of like things that I cared about he also like things that I cared about he also like things that I cared about he also represents a lot more obviously that represents a lot more obviously that represents a lot more obviously that there was this undercurrent of American there was this undercurrent of American there was this undercurrent of American opinion that a lot of people didn't know opinion that a lot of people didn't know opinion that a lot of people didn't know still existed and it did he got elected still existed and it did he got elected still existed and it did he got elected um that the Overton window was um that the Overton window was um that the Overton window was misidentified by even a large amount of misidentified by even a large amount of misidentified by even a large amount of the Republican party that populism was a the Republican party that populism was a the Republican party that populism was a lot more popular than a lot of people lot more popular than a lot of people lot more popular than a lot of people figured you know yeah there's a lot that figured you know yeah there's a lot that figured you know yeah there's a lot that I guess you represent on you do you I guess you represent on you do you I guess you represent on you do you think Trump should have been banned from think Trump should have been banned from think Trump should have been banned from Twitter can you make the case for and Twitter can you make the case for and Twitter can you make the case for and against it so you're a big supporter of against it so you're a big supporter of against it so you're a big supporter of free speech yeah so the case in favor of free speech yeah so the case in favor of free speech yeah so the case in favor of do you think he should be brought do you think he should be brought do you think he should be brought back as Elon tweet yeah because if gets back as Elon tweet yeah because if gets back as Elon tweet yeah because if gets brought back there's a higher chance it brought back there's a higher chance it brought back there's a higher chance it I'll be brought back so I'm supporting I'll be brought back so I'm supporting I'll be brought back so I'm supporting that all the way thank you Elon unban my that all the way thank you Elon unban my that all the way thank you Elon unban my account um so because you called me week account um so because you called me week account um so because you called me week spine I'm going to have to message Elon spine I'm going to have to message Elon spine I'm going to have to message Elon okay omnidestiny it was a verified

okay omnidestiny it was a verified okay omnidestiny it was a verified Twitter account Omni Destiny no no I'm Twitter account Omni Destiny no no I'm Twitter account Omni Destiny no no I'm just kidding why'd you get banned from just kidding why'd you get banned from just kidding why'd you get banned from Twitter Destiny I don't know I'll add Twitter Destiny I don't know I'll add Twitter Destiny I don't know I'll add that to Elon I saw that there was a that to Elon I saw that there was a that to Elon I saw that there was a screenshot of you uh referring to the screenshot of you uh referring to the screenshot of you uh referring to the rape of somebody okay that was on an rape of somebody okay that was on an rape of somebody okay that was on an older Twitter account and that was a bad older Twitter account and that was a bad older Twitter account and that was a bad tweet you have multiple Twitter account tweet you have multiple Twitter account tweet you have multiple Twitter account so you're trying to um go around the so you're trying to um go around the so you're trying to um go around the bands that you keep getting okay hold on bands that you keep getting okay hold on bands that you keep getting okay hold on you're slandering me a lot right now you're slandering me a lot right now you're slandering me a lot right now okay let's get the facts straight okay I okay let's get the facts straight okay I okay let's get the facts straight okay I don't even remember why my first account don't even remember why my first account don't even remember why my first account got banned but it was a wild account I got banned but it was a wild account I got banned but it was a wild account I tweeted some wildly inappropriate things tweeted some wildly inappropriate things tweeted some wildly inappropriate things you regret I don't like that word I'm you regret I don't like that word I'm you regret I don't like that word I'm going to give the answer that most going to give the answer that most going to give the answer that most people give it's like I don't regret it people give it's like I don't regret it people give it's like I don't regret it because I learned a lot so I'm glad I because I learned a lot so I'm glad I because I learned a lot so I'm glad I had the bad experiences that I did why had the bad experiences that I did why had the bad experiences that I did why don't you like the word regret I think don't you like the word regret I think don't you like the word regret I think if we look at where we are how do you if we look at where we are how do you if we look at where we are how do you feel about determinism uh I believe in hard the hardest of uh I believe in hard the hardest of determinism that's who I am okay so who determinism that's who I am okay so who determinism that's who I am okay so who I am today is the culmination of I am today is the culmination of I am today is the culmination of everything that's occurred in the past I everything that's occurred in the past I everything that's occurred in the past I believe you speaking of sorry to inter believe you speaking of sorry to inter believe you speaking of sorry to inter uh I believe in you speaking about uh I believe in you speaking about uh I believe in you speaking about regret is a nice way to communicate that regret is a nice way to communicate that regret is a nice way to communicate that in this deterministic world you've in this deterministic world you've in this deterministic world you've analyzed the acts of the past and you're analyzed the acts of the past and you're analyzed the acts of the past and you're no longer that person yeah of course for no longer that person yeah of course for no longer that person yeah of course for sure that's what that's what regret sure that's what that's what regret sure that's what that's what regret usually means okay thanks for giving me usually means okay thanks for giving me usually means okay thanks for giving me the human explanation okay true so in the human explanation okay true so in the human explanation okay true so in that sense there's a lot of things I've that sense there's a lot of things I've that sense there's a lot of things I've done that I regret oh you're what are done that I regret oh you're what are done that I regret oh you're what are you you're not human you're a bot NPC is you you're not human you're a bot NPC is you you're not human you're a bot NPC is my preferred all right um I wish I would my preferred all right um I wish I would my preferred all right um I wish I would have been smart enough at the time to have been smart enough at the time to have been smart enough at the time to not have to have had made those mistakes not have to have had made those mistakes not have to have had made those mistakes okay there you go good job um but yeah

okay there you go good job um but yeah okay there you go good job um but yeah obviously really dumb really crazy obviously really dumb really crazy obviously really dumb really crazy off-the-wall tweets um but that account off-the-wall tweets um but that account off-the-wall tweets um but that account got banned but then I made another got banned but then I made another got banned but then I made another account called I can't believe I'm account called I can't believe I'm account called I can't believe I'm giving you a history my Twitter accounts giving you a history my Twitter accounts giving you a history my Twitter accounts another account called Omni Destiny it's another account called Omni Destiny it's another account called Omni Destiny it's an honor um and that was my I got an honor um and that was my I got an honor um and that was my I got verified I was cool they let me have verified I was cool they let me have verified I was cool they let me have that account cuz originally they banned that account cuz originally they banned that account cuz originally they banned it and I said appeal and I was like oh it and I said appeal and I was like oh it and I said appeal and I was like oh let me have one more and back then let me have one more and back then let me have one more and back then Twitter was cool and they're like okay Twitter was cool and they're like okay Twitter was cool and they're like okay go for it and that account last for a go for it and that account last for a go for it and that account last for a long time and I don't actually know 100% long time and I don't actually know 100% long time and I don't actually know 100% why that account got banned um I believe why that account got banned um I believe why that account got banned um I believe that the tweet that showed up in the that the tweet that showed up in the that the tweet that showed up in the final I got banned for hate speech and final I got banned for hate speech and final I got banned for hate speech and it was because I was there was a picture it was because I was there was a picture it was because I was there was a picture that I tweeted with three different alt that I tweeted with three different alt that I tweeted with three different alt writers that are kind of like Neo-Nazi writers that are kind of like Neo-Nazi writers that are kind of like Neo-Nazi people and they were all uh like mixed people and they were all uh like mixed people and they were all uh like mixed race people and I said like the new race people and I said like the new race people and I said like the new altright looks like a Disney Channel altright looks like a Disney Channel altright looks like a Disney Channel original movie in terms of racial original movie in terms of racial original movie in terms of racial composition and somehow that got flagged composition and somehow that got flagged composition and somehow that got flagged for instigating violence against for instigating violence against for instigating violence against minorities I think I think that's the minorities I think I think that's the minorities I think I think that's the tweet that got me banned cuz I think tweet that got me banned cuz I think tweet that got me banned cuz I think that's what showed up in the final that's what showed up in the final that's what showed up in the final report but I don't know maybe there were report but I don't know maybe there were report but I don't know maybe there were other reasons because nobody ever other reasons because nobody ever other reasons because nobody ever communicates but ever since that account communicates but ever since that account communicates but ever since that account went under it's just been ban evading went under it's just been ban evading went under it's just been ban evading ever since so oh ban evading ever since ever since so oh ban evading ever since ever since so oh ban evading ever since so all my new accounts have got banned so all my new accounts have got banned so all my new accounts have got banned just get banned because they finally just get banned because they finally just get banned because they finally figure out it's me and then they ban a figure out it's me and then they ban a figure out it's me and then they ban a there's like one dude at Twitter HQ there's like one dude at Twitter HQ there's like one dude at Twitter HQ who's like constantly looking for yeah who's like constantly looking for yeah who's like constantly looking for yeah my new accounts and they get me yeah my new accounts and they get me yeah my new accounts and they get me yeah yeah anyway yeah so post post Trump yeah anyway yeah so post post Trump yeah anyway yeah so post post Trump World um do you think okay I mean this World um do you think okay I mean this World um do you think okay I mean this oh should he be banned oh you asked me oh should he be banned oh you asked me oh should he be banned oh you asked me to make both cases um should he be to make both cases um should he be to make both cases um should he be banned I mean damn dude when you're banned I mean damn dude when you're banned I mean damn dude when you're tweeting out shit that's arguably tweeting out shit that's arguably tweeting out shit that's arguably leading stuff like January 6th I can leading stuff like January 6th I can leading stuff like January 6th I can understand why because it's like what

understand why because it's like what understand why because it's like what else is this wild dude going to Tweet else is this wild dude going to Tweet else is this wild dude going to Tweet out like is he going to start out like is he going to start out like is he going to start instigating other violent events so I'm instigating other violent events so I'm instigating other violent events so I'm sympathetic towards the like okay well sympathetic towards the like okay well sympathetic towards the like okay well he can't just be here saying stuff like he can't just be here saying stuff like he can't just be here saying stuff like this that's insane we're going to ban this that's insane we're going to ban this that's insane we're going to ban him um I'm syp because it's instigating him um I'm syp because it's instigating him um I'm syp because it's instigating actual physical violence in the physical actual physical violence in the physical actual physical violence in the physical world yeah like if I would to Tweet world yeah like if I would to Tweet world yeah like if I would to Tweet stuff like that I would get banned stuff like that I would get banned stuff like that I would get banned probably on the flip side this is the probably on the flip side this is the probably on the flip side this is the president of the United States it seems president of the United States it seems president of the United States it seems like he's like doing presidential decree like he's like doing presidential decree like he's like doing presidential decree by social media sometimes like is it by social media sometimes like is it by social media sometimes like is it really right that one public or private really right that one public or private really right that one public or private I should say one private company can um I should say one private company can um I should say one private company can um like erase the president of the United like erase the president of the United like erase the president of the United States words from the eyes of a lot of States words from the eyes of a lot of States words from the eyes of a lot of Americans that are using these social Americans that are using these social Americans that are using these social media feeds um and one big one which I media feeds um and one big one which I media feeds um and one big one which I for sure am against is the permanent ban for sure am against is the permanent ban for sure am against is the permanent ban yeah I don't like that I hate that even yeah I don't like that I hate that even yeah I don't like that I hate that even in my community if somebody comes back in my community if somebody comes back in my community if somebody comes back after like a year like I mean did you after like a year like I mean did you after like a year like I mean did you just compare yourself to the president just compare yourself to the president just compare yourself to the president of the United States no I compar myself of the United States no I compar myself of the United States no I compar myself to Twitter Banning the president of to Twitter Banning the president of to Twitter Banning the president of United States let me put it this way if United States let me put it this way if United States let me put it this way if I banned Donald Trump in my chat room I banned Donald Trump in my chat room I banned Donald Trump in my chat room I'd unban him in a year a year yeah I'd unban him in a year a year yeah I'd unban him in a year a year yeah what's the process for unbanning Donald what's the process for unbanning Donald what's the process for unbanning Donald Trump what would he have to do usually Trump what would he have to do usually Trump what would he have to do usually people send me an email they're like people send me an email they're like people send me an email they're like listen I did this stuff I'm sorry I was listen I did this stuff I'm sorry I was listen I did this stuff I'm sorry I was dumb I'll give him another chance but a dumb I'll give him another chance but a dumb I'll give him another chance but a year what if they send an email a month year what if they send an email a month year what if they send an email a month later usually I'll unban him that's later usually I'll unban him that's later usually I'll unban him that's usually my I ban pretty quickly my usually my I ban pretty quickly my usually my I ban pretty quickly my community but if you ever ask softy yeah community but if you ever ask softy yeah community but if you ever ask softy yeah I us should let him back yeah I'm very I us should let him back yeah I'm very I us should let him back yeah I'm very well because I used to be the worst type well because I used to be the worst type well because I used to be the worst type of internet person and I think I'm a of internet person and I think I'm a of internet person and I think I'm a little bit better than I used to be so little bit better than I used to be so little bit better than I used to be so now that you're older yeah now that I'm now that you're older yeah now that I'm now that you're older yeah now that I'm matured yeah of course age bestows a matured yeah of course age bestows a matured yeah of course age bestows a wisdom that just can't be gotten any wisdom that just can't be gotten any wisdom that just can't be gotten any other way what's your sense in general other way what's your sense in general other way what's your sense in general is there something interesting you could is there something interesting you could is there something interesting you could say about your view on Free Speech it say about your view on Free Speech it say about your view on Free Speech it seems like one of those terms that's

seems like one of those terms that's seems like one of those terms that's also over overused to mean a lot of also over overused to mean a lot of also over overused to mean a lot of different things what does it mean to different things what does it mean to different things what does it mean to you if you have a democratic style of you if you have a democratic style of you if you have a democratic style of governance you are entrusting people governance you are entrusting people governance you are entrusting people with one of the most awesome and radical with one of the most awesome and radical with one of the most awesome and radical of responsibilities and that's saying of responsibilities and that's saying of responsibilities and that's saying that you're going to pick the people that you're going to pick the people that you're going to pick the people that are going to make some of the that are going to make some of the that are going to make some of the hardest decisions in all of human hardest decisions in all of human hardest decisions in all of human history if you're going to trust people history if you're going to trust people history if you're going to trust people to vote correctly you have to be able to to vote correctly you have to be able to to vote correctly you have to be able to trust them to have open and honest trust them to have open and honest trust them to have open and honest dialogue with each other whether that's dialogue with each other whether that's dialogue with each other whether that's Nazis or KKK people or whoever talking Nazis or KKK people or whoever talking Nazis or KKK people or whoever talking um you have to believe that your people um you have to believe that your people um you have to believe that your people are going to be able to rise above and are going to be able to rise above and are going to be able to rise above and make the correct determinations when make the correct determinations when make the correct determinations when they hear these types of speeches and if they hear these types of speeches and if they hear these types of speeches and if you're so worried that somebody's going you're so worried that somebody's going you're so worried that somebody's going to hear a certain political figure and to hear a certain political figure and to hear a certain political figure and they're going to be completely they're going to be completely they're going to be completely radicalized instantly then what that radicalized instantly then what that radicalized instantly then what that tells me is that you don't have enough tells me is that you don't have enough tells me is that you don't have enough faith in humans for democracy to be a faith in humans for democracy to be a faith in humans for democracy to be a viable institution which is fine you can viable institution which is fine you can viable institution which is fine you can be anti-democratic but you I don't think be anti-democratic but you I don't think be anti-democratic but you I don't think you can be pro-democracy and anti- Free you can be pro-democracy and anti- Free you can be pro-democracy and anti- Free Speech within reason so what's the Speech within reason so what's the Speech within reason so what's the within reason so I mean not you can't within reason so I mean not you can't within reason so I mean not you can't post like child porn or something on post like child porn or something on post like child porn or something on Twitter people try to get you on that Twitter people try to get you on that Twitter people try to get you on that stuff or like direct calls to violence stuff or like direct calls to violence stuff or like direct calls to violence or probably not you shouldn't be or probably not you shouldn't be or probably not you shouldn't be tweeting out like we're going to meet up tweeting out like we're going to meet up tweeting out like we're going to meet up tomorrow and go bomb blah blah blah tomorrow and go bomb blah blah blah tomorrow and go bomb blah blah blah probably not so do you think it's okay probably not so do you think it's okay probably not so do you think it's okay to allow racism and anti-Semitism and uh to allow racism and anti-Semitism and uh to allow racism and anti-Semitism and uh hate hate hate speech hate speech Yes because that's speech hate speech Yes because that's speech hate speech Yes because that's can be very broadly defined um I can can be very broadly defined um I can can be very broadly defined um I can understand there being some basic rules understand there being some basic rules understand there being some basic rules of like no slurs on like a platform that of like no slurs on like a platform that of like no slurs on like a platform that gets into like acceptable forms of gets into like acceptable forms of gets into like acceptable forms of moderation or like excessive harassment moderation or like excessive harassment moderation or like excessive harassment and bullying I can understand um but and bullying I can understand um but and bullying I can understand um but past that when when the when the past that when when the when the past that when when the when the moderation becomes ideological I get a moderation becomes ideological I get a moderation becomes ideological I get a little bit nervous because you know for little bit nervous because you know for little bit nervous because you know for for there's a whole other host yeah

for there's a whole other host yeah for there's a whole other host yeah there of course it's all a gray area but there of course it's all a gray area but there of course it's all a gray area but when it feels like ideology has seeped when it feels like ideology has seeped when it feels like ideology has seeped into the censorship not good yeah which into the censorship not good yeah which into the censorship not good yeah which it's so fascinating to think especially it's so fascinating to think especially it's so fascinating to think especially now that Elon bought Twitter how do you now that Elon bought Twitter how do you now that Elon bought Twitter how do you engine near A system that prevents engine near A system that prevents engine near A system that prevents ideology from seeping in and ideology from seeping in and ideology from seeping in and nevertheless is able to uh create a nevertheless is able to uh create a nevertheless is able to uh create a platform that has healthy conversations platform that has healthy conversations platform that has healthy conversations because if you have one guy who's just because if you have one guy who's just because if you have one guy who's just screaming nonsense non-stop it it has screaming nonsense non-stop it it has screaming nonsense non-stop it it has this effect where the quiet voices at this effect where the quiet voices at this effect where the quiet voices at the back of the room are silenced yeah the back of the room are silenced yeah the back of the room are silenced yeah so like that that's what you usually so like that that's what you usually so like that that's what you usually don't talk about like if you let one don't talk about like if you let one don't talk about like if you let one annoying loud person in that's actually annoying loud person in that's actually annoying loud person in that's actually censoring the voice of a lot of people censoring the voice of a lot of people censoring the voice of a lot of people that would like to speak but they don't that would like to speak but they don't that would like to speak but they don't get a chance that's one of the things get a chance that's one of the things get a chance that's one of the things especially around like trans discourse I especially around like trans discourse I especially around like trans discourse I have to constantly do that like reminder have to constantly do that like reminder have to constantly do that like reminder for my audience is so like when I'm for my audience is so like when I'm for my audience is so like when I'm dealing with these types people on the dealing with these types people on the dealing with these types people on the internet a lot of them might seem really internet a lot of them might seem really internet a lot of them might seem really crazy A lot of these types of people crazy A lot of these types of people crazy A lot of these types of people might seem insane but like in the real might seem insane but like in the real might seem insane but like in the real world outside of like the crazy Twitter world outside of like the crazy Twitter world outside of like the crazy Twitter activist world like the vast majority of activist world like the vast majority of activist world like the vast majority of people you're meeting from LGBT people you're meeting from LGBT people you're meeting from LGBT communities are like the coolest communities are like the coolest communities are like the coolest normalist people all they want is to normalist people all they want is to normalist people all they want is to like right to live their life in the way like right to live their life in the way like right to live their life in the way they want to and to be like unobstructed they want to and to be like unobstructed they want to and to be like unobstructed and like yeah but people will get this and like yeah but people will get this and like yeah but people will get this impression of like an online activist impression of like an online activist impression of like an online activist like a vegan or LGBT person or whatever like a vegan or LGBT person or whatever like a vegan or LGBT person or whatever and then they think that every single and then they think that every single and then they think that every single person in real life is like that and person in real life is like that and person in real life is like that and it's a really negative stereotype and it's a really negative stereotype and it's a really negative stereotype and then even the other people in that group then even the other people in that group then even the other people in that group oh is mol coming over oh yeah asked I oh is mol coming over oh yeah asked I oh is mol coming over oh yeah asked I don't know if that's her okay uh Molina don't know if that's her okay uh Molina don't know if that's her okay uh Molina just joined us what were we talking just joined us what were we talking just joined us what were we talking about was it interesting you were saying about was it interesting you were saying about was it interesting you were saying that you were going to talk to Elon that you were going to talk to Elon that you were going to talk to Elon about getting at Omni Destiny the about getting at Omni Destiny the about getting at Omni Destiny the verified Twitter account unbanned I said

verified Twitter account unbanned I said verified Twitter account unbanned I said that's so that sounds like a lie that's that's so that sounds like a lie that's that's so that sounds like a lie that's so gracious of you I can't even believe so gracious of you I can't even believe so gracious of you I can't even believe you would do that for me and then you you would do that for me and then you you would do that for me and then you admitted that you tried to evade the admitted that you tried to evade the admitted that you tried to evade the band multiple times which I'm sure would band multiple times which I'm sure would band multiple times which I'm sure would be very uh looked upon you know I heard be very uh looked upon you know I heard be very uh looked upon you know I heard that in Norway and their prison system that in Norway and their prison system that in Norway and their prison system they don't actually punish you for they don't actually punish you for they don't actually punish you for trying to escape jail cuz that's like trying to escape jail cuz that's like trying to escape jail cuz that's like the natural human thing to do they hug the natural human thing to do they hug the natural human thing to do they hug you what do they I don't know if they you what do they I don't know if they you what do they I don't know if they but they don't punish you cuz of course but they don't punish you cuz of course but they don't punish you cuz of course you're trying to be free that's all I'm you're trying to be free that's all I'm you're trying to be free that's all I'm trying to be on Twitter I'm just trying trying to be on Twitter I'm just trying trying to be on Twitter I'm just trying to be free oh that's the natural human to be free oh that's the natural human to be free oh that's the natural human that's the natural of course it's a bny that's the natural of course it's a bny that's the natural of course it's a bny you're not a destructive force you're you're not a destructive force you're you're not a destructive force you're just no I'm a posit I'm a Force for good just no I'm a posit I'm a Force for good just no I'm a posit I'm a Force for good that's why all my accounts only get that's why all my accounts only get that's why all my accounts only get banned for bading Ving I don't get banned for bading Ving I don't get banned for bading Ving I don't get banned for doing bad things and I'm a banned for doing bad things and I'm a banned for doing bad things and I'm a progressive shell I'm like far left I progressive shell I'm like far left I progressive shell I'm like far left I love like Progressive classes this is love like Progressive classes this is love like Progressive classes this is what you criticize Assan for being I what you criticize Assan for being I what you criticize Assan for being I show them from a place of first show them from a place of first show them from a place of first principles not from a Mindless AI principles not from a Mindless AI principles not from a Mindless AI echoing kind of thing you know okay see echoing kind of thing you know okay see echoing kind of thing you know okay see you're freeth thinking bot I got yeah you're freeth thinking bot I got yeah you're freeth thinking bot I got yeah exactly all right cool uh well I'm sure exactly all right cool uh well I'm sure exactly all right cool uh well I'm sure we'll return to some politics that was we'll return to some politics that was we'll return to some politics that was beautiful uh Mia can can you tell us beautiful uh Mia can can you tell us beautiful uh Mia can can you tell us about yourself you're also a fellow about yourself you're also a fellow about yourself you're also a fellow streamer what's your story yes I stream streamer what's your story yes I stream streamer what's your story yes I stream and I started streaming because I met and I started streaming because I met and I started streaming because I met him basically kind of and but I don't do him basically kind of and but I don't do him basically kind of and but I don't do the politics I do like travels or talk the politics I do like travels or talk the politics I do like travels or talk about relationships talk to my audience about relationships talk to my audience about relationships talk to my audience basically um you're from that part of basically um you're from that part of basically um you're from that part of the world right Sweden ex so did you the world right Sweden ex so did you the world right Sweden ex so did you escape from prison and they didn't that escape from prison and they didn't that escape from prison and they didn't that was Norway you just men Norway that's was Norway you just men Norway that's was Norway you just men Norway that's different I actually really I've been to different I actually really I've been to different I actually really I've been to Sweden a bunch of times I love it Sweden a bunch of times I love it Sweden a bunch of times I love it there's a tech sector there that's there's a tech sector there that's there's a tech sector there that's really like flourishing where did you go really like flourishing where did you go really like flourishing where did you go which city I went to Stockholm I think I which city I went to Stockholm I think I which city I went to Stockholm I think I gave a few lectures there there's a gave a few lectures there there's a gave a few lectures there there's a vibrant Tech sector it was cool and vibrant Tech sector it was cool and vibrant Tech sector it was cool and people are super nice yeah we're

people are super nice yeah we're people are super nice yeah we're friendly we're not like very deep like friendly we're not like very deep like friendly we're not like very deep like we don't really have much deep we don't really have much deep we don't really have much deep conversation it's like a meta conversation it's like a meta conversation it's like a meta conversation there's not many conversation there's not many conversation there's not many intellectuals that come from Sweden we intellectuals that come from Sweden we intellectuals that come from Sweden we don't really speak very highly ourselves don't really speak very highly ourselves don't really speak very highly ourselves we kind of like just chill all the time we kind of like just chill all the time we kind of like just chill all the time we don't make a scene we don't we're we don't make a scene we don't we're we don't make a scene we don't we're just like you know do you know what the just like you know do you know what the just like you know do you know what the name for that is there's a specific name name for that is there's a specific name name for that is there's a specific name for it it's the yeah the I think yeah oh for it it's the yeah the I think yeah oh for it it's the yeah the I think yeah oh there's a philosophy behind it when there's a philosophy behind it when there's a philosophy behind it when you're part of like Sweden or Norway you you're part of like Sweden or Norway you you're part of like Sweden or Norway you like you don't talk too highly of like you don't talk too highly of like you don't talk too highly of yourself cuz it seemen as kind of like yourself cuz it seemen as kind of like yourself cuz it seemen as kind of like rude like think of like America except rude like think of like America except rude like think of like America except the exact opposite you don't even really the exact opposite you don't even really the exact opposite you don't even really want to like you don't want to make want to like you don't want to make want to like you don't want to make yourself into a victim too much you yourself into a victim too much you yourself into a victim too much you don't want to be too much of anything don't want to be too much of anything don't want to be too much of anything you're just like sticking to the to the you're just like sticking to the to the you're just like sticking to the to the group don't make big scene about group don't make big scene about group don't make big scene about yourself but that said you came here and yourself but that said you came here and yourself but that said you came here and you were you put yourself in front of you were you put yourself in front of you were you put yourself in front of the camera and became a streamer yes do the camera and became a streamer yes do the camera and became a streamer yes do you understand how weird that is for my you understand how weird that is for my you understand how weird that is for my friends in Sweden you I just talk about friends in Sweden you I just talk about friends in Sweden you I just talk about myself and just like make a big deal myself and just like make a big deal myself and just like make a big deal about myself for hours every day was about myself for hours every day was about myself for hours every day was that like terrifying did you have that like terrifying did you have that like terrifying did you have anxiety about that no cuz I don't see anxiety about that no cuz I don't see anxiety about that no cuz I don't see them but then I come back and I'm like them but then I come back and I'm like them but then I come back and I'm like oo so what do you feel like when you're oo so what do you feel like when you're oo so what do you feel like when you're actually streaming you feel like you're actually streaming you feel like you're actually streaming you feel like you're just alone in a room um oneon-one typee just alone in a room um oneon-one typee just alone in a room um oneon-one typee of thing no I see I see chat I'm of thing no I see I see chat I'm of thing no I see I see chat I'm thinking oh they're like a little thinking oh they're like a little thinking oh they're like a little fairies they're not really real they're fairies they're not really real they're fairies they're not really real they're just like out there I don't know what just like out there I don't know what just like out there I don't know what they look like I just see little names they look like I just see little names they look like I just see little names and they're just cute just colors you and they're just cute just colors you and they're just cute just colors you know talking to little fairies inside know talking to little fairies inside know talking to little fairies inside your head I do is that how you feel your head I do is that how you feel your head I do is that how you feel about chat they're demons for me but about chat they're demons for me but about chat they're demons for me but they're demons okay I are not fairies they're demons okay I are not fairies they're demons okay I are not fairies are they so is chat a source of stress are they so is chat a source of stress are they so is chat a source of stress or happiness like is there a compl no or happiness like is there a compl no or happiness like is there a compl no for me it's a source of happiness I've for me it's a source of happiness I've for me it's a source of happiness I've been very intentional with like the been very intentional with like the been very intentional with like the construction of my community so I'm construction of my community so I'm construction of my community so I'm really happy with where it's at how are really happy with where it's at how are really happy with where it's at how are you able to actually have deep political you able to actually have deep political you able to actually have deep political discourse while playing a video game at

discourse while playing a video game at discourse while playing a video game at the same time I have a really good chat the same time I have a really good chat the same time I have a really good chat room in terms of like the way that room in terms of like the way that room in terms of like the way that people engage in conversations like I people engage in conversations like I people engage in conversations like I was one of the earliest people to was one of the earliest people to was one of the earliest people to embrace the philosophy of like I am in embrace the philosophy of like I am in embrace the philosophy of like I am in total control of what people watch me total control of what people watch me total control of what people watch me think that like I have a high level of think that like I have a high level of think that like I have a high level of responsibility for how they conduct responsibility for how they conduct responsibility for how they conduct themselves and that if I conduct myself themselves and that if I conduct myself themselves and that if I conduct myself in a certain way I can expect a certain in a certain way I can expect a certain in a certain way I can expect a certain level of conduct from them and for the level of conduct from them and for the level of conduct from them and for the most part it's like worked pretty well most part it's like worked pretty well most part it's like worked pretty well for the past you know N9 or 10 years for the past you know N9 or 10 years for the past you know N9 or 10 years yeah what about the actual playing of yeah what about the actual playing of yeah what about the actual playing of the game like you're able to parallelize the game like you're able to parallelize the game like you're able to parallelize the brain like oh like it seems like the brain like oh like it seems like the brain like oh like it seems like Factoria seems like a super complex game Factoria seems like a super complex game Factoria seems like a super complex game yeah I don't actually think that's yeah I don't actually think that's yeah I don't actually think that's possible I don't think multitasking for possible I don't think multitasking for possible I don't think multitasking for a human brand is possible um if you see a human brand is possible um if you see a human brand is possible um if you see me playing a game usually what's me playing a game usually what's me playing a game usually what's happening is the conversation is like happening is the conversation is like happening is the conversation is like I've had it a million times so I'm not I've had it a million times so I'm not I've had it a million times so I'm not thinking about it I've automated that or thinking about it I've automated that or thinking about it I've automated that or if the conversation is very challenging if the conversation is very challenging if the conversation is very challenging um then if you watch me if you really um then if you watch me if you really um then if you watch me if you really watch what's happened in the game I'm watch what's happened in the game I'm watch what's happened in the game I'm probably just running around in circles probably just running around in circles probably just running around in circles because I have to think about the because I have to think about the because I have to think about the conversation okay because with Factoria conversation okay because with Factoria conversation okay because with Factoria it looks like a lot of stuff is going on it looks like a lot of stuff is going on it looks like a lot of stuff is going on sometimes yeah so I it's hard for uh a sometimes yeah so I it's hard for uh a sometimes yeah so I it's hard for uh a person who hasn't played the game to person who hasn't played the game to person who hasn't played the game to detect that you're not do that come off detect that you're not do that come off detect that you're not do that come off as like you're super intelligent and as like you're super intelligent and as like you're super intelligent and multitask or does it come off as like multitask or does it come off as like multitask or does it come off as like he's not interested in this conversation he's not interested in this conversation he's not interested in this conversation at all yeah yeah there's a coolness to at all yeah yeah there's a coolness to at all yeah yeah there's a coolness to it like when you're not paying attention it like when you're not paying attention it like when you're not paying attention like if if you're looking elsewhere like like if if you're looking elsewhere like like if if you're looking elsewhere like you're checking your phone you're too you're checking your phone you're too you're checking your phone you're too cool for this conversation there's a cool for this conversation there's a cool for this conversation there's a sense like that yeah the reality is sense like that yeah the reality is sense like that yeah the reality is though is if you watch it was easier to though is if you watch it was easier to though is if you watch it was easier to see in Minecraft cuz in Minecraft when see in Minecraft cuz in Minecraft when see in Minecraft cuz in Minecraft when there was a challenging conversation if there was a challenging conversation if there was a challenging conversation if you watch me play I'm literally just you watch me play I'm literally just you watch me play I'm literally just running around and jumping in circles running around and jumping in circles running around and jumping in circles because I have to think about the because I have to think about the because I have to think about the conversation 100% I can't do a conversation 100% I can't do a conversation 100% I can't do a complicated task and think about the complicated task and think about the complicated task and think about the conversation or like that people always conversation or like that people always conversation or like that people always joke in my chat like oh no the notepad joke in my chat like oh no the notepad joke in my chat like oh no the notepad came out if it's a really challenging came out if it's a really challenging came out if it's a really challenging conversation I'll get rid of the game

conversation I'll get rid of the game conversation I'll get rid of the game and I'll bring out a notepad and I'll and I'll bring out a notepad and I'll and I'll bring out a notepad and I'll start writing stuff down to keep track start writing stuff down to keep track start writing stuff down to keep track of what's going on yeah so what kind of of what's going on yeah so what kind of of what's going on yeah so what kind of stuff do you stream so advice you talk stuff do you stream so advice you talk stuff do you stream so advice you talk about yeah like either I talk to chat or about yeah like either I talk to chat or about yeah like either I talk to chat or I travel around basically like we have a I travel around basically like we have a I travel around basically like we have a conversations where we like um go to conversations where we like um go to conversations where we like um go to countries I've been to like Italy I was countries I've been to like Italy I was countries I've been to like Italy I was in Italy for like one and a half months in Italy for like one and a half months in Italy for like one and a half months just like traveling around alone going just like traveling around alone going just like traveling around alone going to cities like having like my camera to cities like having like my camera to cities like having like my camera with me and like streaming for hours with me and like streaming for hours with me and like streaming for hours where's the where's the coolest place where's the where's the coolest place where's the where's the coolest place you've been to ever it's probably New you've been to ever it's probably New you've been to ever it's probably New Zealand New Zealand I think so yeah Zealand New Zealand I think so yeah Zealand New Zealand I think so yeah after it's probably going to be Italy I after it's probably going to be Italy I after it's probably going to be Italy I think because I like history and yeah think because I like history and yeah think because I like history and yeah also both history cuz New Zealand is also both history cuz New Zealand is also both history cuz New Zealand is also beautiful mhm both natural beauty also beautiful mhm both natural beauty also beautiful mhm both natural beauty and historical Beauty yeah for sure I and historical Beauty yeah for sure I and historical Beauty yeah for sure I think I just really like the like the think I just really like the like the think I just really like the like the Polynesian sort of culture I think it's Polynesian sort of culture I think it's Polynesian sort of culture I think it's very interesting like the ocean people very interesting like the ocean people very interesting like the ocean people and it's just really beautiful people and it's just really beautiful people and it's just really beautiful people are very relaxed chill they're very far are very relaxed chill they're very far are very relaxed chill they're very far away which is interesting as well cuz away which is interesting as well cuz away which is interesting as well cuz whenever they talk about politics or whenever they talk about politics or whenever they talk about politics or they talk about um just like the world they talk about um just like the world they talk about um just like the world it feels really far away so where's home it feels really far away so where's home it feels really far away so where's home for you is Austin for you is Austin for you is Austin home it's home for me so a human being home it's home for me so a human being home it's home for me so a human being is home yeah we travel we've lived in a is home yeah we travel we've lived in a is home yeah we travel we've lived in a lot different place and traveled around lot different place and traveled around lot different place and traveled around so that's what you think of home as like so that's what you think of home as like so that's what you think of home as like I think so yeah I mean if there if I think so yeah I mean if there if I think so yeah I mean if there if they're going to be a place it's they're going to be a place it's they're going to be a place it's probably going to be like my childhood probably going to be like my childhood probably going to be like my childhood places probably yeah like my old country places probably yeah like my old country places probably yeah like my old country house or something like that we don't house or something like that we don't house or something like that we don't have it anymore but like that's that's have it anymore but like that's that's have it anymore but like that's that's like home for me I guess so how' you like home for me I guess so how' you like home for me I guess so how' you guys meet each other you're currently guys meet each other you're currently guys meet each other you're currently married yes to each other yeah yeah to

married yes to each other yeah yeah to married yes to each other yeah yeah to each other each other each other yeah just making sure we're on the same yeah just making sure we're on the same yeah just making sure we're on the same page all right cool how' you guys meet I page all right cool how' you guys meet I page all right cool how' you guys meet I was watching his YouTube stuff like 2018 was watching his YouTube stuff like 2018 was watching his YouTube stuff like 2018 I think like because it was the Swedish I think like because it was the Swedish I think like because it was the Swedish election around that time and I was election around that time and I was election around that time and I was interested in politics and then um I interested in politics and then um I interested in politics and then um I think he said in one of his videos that think he said in one of his videos that think he said in one of his videos that he had an Instagram and that he needed he had an Instagram and that he needed he had an Instagram and that he needed people to stop dming him that wasn't people to stop dming him that wasn't people to stop dming him that wasn't cutipie and then I messaged him and said cutipie and then I messaged him and said cutipie and then I messaged him and said am I a cutipie and then you're a pie in am I a cutipie and then you're a pie in am I a cutipie and then you're a pie in like two like two like two minutes and then uh that that's when I minutes and then uh that that's when I minutes and then uh that that's when I was in New Zealand and uh I guess you was in New Zealand and uh I guess you was in New Zealand and uh I guess you wanted to escape America or like laay wanted to escape America or like laay wanted to escape America or like laay for a little bit and uh New Zealand for a little bit and uh New Zealand for a little bit and uh New Zealand where were you mentally there like cuz where were you mentally there like cuz where were you mentally there like cuz we've talked to this timeline where's we've talked to this timeline where's we've talked to this timeline where's 2018 was it 1819 where was the low point 2018 was it 1819 where was the low point 2018 was it 1819 where was the low point or that was way earlier low Point carbon or that was way earlier low Point carbon or that was way earlier low Point carbon cleaning that was like 200 2010 oh okay cleaning that was like 200 2010 oh okay cleaning that was like 200 2010 oh okay 2018 was probably your Peak what do you 2018 was probably your Peak what do you 2018 was probably your Peak what do you every day now was my Peak what do you every day now was my Peak what do you every day now was my Peak what do you mean that was my Peak why would you say mean that was my Peak why would you say mean that was my Peak why would you say that that okay nobody ever admits being that that okay nobody ever admits being that that okay nobody ever admits being past their Prime just just so well I past their Prime just just so well I past their Prime just just so well I mean my Prime is still it was around it mean my Prime is still it was around it mean my Prime is still it was around it was probably around the time where were was probably around the time where were was probably around the time where were getting a lot of left days through your getting a lot of left days through your getting a lot of left days through your community and you were really like community and you were really like community and you were really like thinking about that they would go too thinking about that they would go too thinking about that they would go too far maybe that was I think that was far maybe that was I think that was far maybe that was I think that was still when Hassan and Vos were both in still when Hassan and Vos were both in still when Hassan and Vos were both in my community exactly so I would say it my community exactly so I would say it my community exactly so I would say it feel it feels like there was not really feel it feels like there was not really feel it feels like there was not really like much issues when it come to like to like much issues when it come to like to like much issues when it come to like to your stuff or like your work stuff back your stuff or like your work stuff back your stuff or like your work stuff back then oh something we didn't talk about then oh something we didn't talk about then oh something we didn't talk about is it like um there were no Politics on is it like um there were no Politics on is it like um there were no Politics on Twitch I exclusively inhabited that Twitch I exclusively inhabited that Twitch I exclusively inhabited that place for like two years cuz nobody else place for like two years cuz nobody else place for like two years cuz nobody else did it because it was a really toxic did it because it was a really toxic did it because it was a really toxic environment for politics so for a couple

environment for politics so for a couple environment for politics so for a couple of years as it grew like the I kind of of years as it grew like the I kind of of years as it grew like the I kind of grew the whole space cuz it wasn't grew the whole space cuz it wasn't grew the whole space cuz it wasn't nobody was doing it yet what did that nobody was doing it yet what did that nobody was doing it yet what did that look like you're having look like you're having look like you're having like political debates political like political debates political like political debates political discourse yeah mainly like going into discourse yeah mainly like going into discourse yeah mainly like going into YouTube people to try to argue with them YouTube people to try to argue with them YouTube people to try to argue with them or just doing Politics on stream like or just doing Politics on stream like or just doing Politics on stream like reading stories researching stuff reading stories researching stuff reading stories researching stuff talking about stuff but there's not like talking about stuff but there's not like talking about stuff but there's not like other people on Twitch to debate about other people on Twitch to debate about other people on Twitch to debate about politics because there was no politics politics because there was no politics politics because there was no politics it was yeah was there a debate in the it was yeah was there a debate in the it was yeah was there a debate in the space of Communism socialism social space of Communism socialism social space of Communism socialism social democ Democrats kind of like this are democ Democrats kind of like this are democ Democrats kind of like this are you trying to outline your own position you trying to outline your own position you trying to outline your own position during that time I think it was mainly during that time I think it was mainly during that time I think it was mainly me fighting against conservatives me fighting against conservatives me fighting against conservatives because it was like Trump stuff and then because it was like Trump stuff and then because it was like Trump stuff and then it was coming off the back of like there it was coming off the back of like there it was coming off the back of like there was this movement called gamergate and was this movement called gamergate and was this movement called gamergate and there was just all this anti sjw stuff there was just all this anti sjw stuff there was just all this anti sjw stuff on the internet and I was like the sjw on the internet and I was like the sjw on the internet and I was like the sjw like the progressive that was fighting like the progressive that was fighting like the progressive that was fighting on the Progressive side of things so I on the Progressive side of things so I on the Progressive side of things so I think that's what I was known for but I think that's what I was known for but I think that's what I was known for but I was fighting with people off of twitch was fighting with people off of twitch was fighting with people off of twitch because on Twitch there weren't very because on Twitch there weren't very because on Twitch there weren't very many political discussions happening so many political discussions happening so many political discussions happening so you were holding the sjw flag yeah uh to you were holding the sjw flag yeah uh to you were holding the sjw flag yeah uh to what to what degree do you still hold it what to what degree do you still hold it what to what degree do you still hold it like what's the best what's the Steelman like what's the best what's the Steelman like what's the best what's the Steelman case for sjw I mean like I'm still very case for sjw I mean like I'm still very case for sjw I mean like I'm still very much that sjw from 2018 2019 but the much that sjw from 2018 2019 but the much that sjw from 2018 2019 but the positions have moved so much F farther positions have moved so much F farther positions have moved so much F farther left that I don't some people may not left that I don't some people may not left that I don't some people may not call me that anymore I'm not sure it call me that anymore I'm not sure it call me that anymore I'm not sure it depends on who I'm talking so basically depends on who I'm talking so basically depends on who I'm talking so basically what is a social justice Warrior like what is a social justice Warrior like what is a social justice Warrior like being sensitive to the experience of being sensitive to the experience of being sensitive to the experience of others yeah being sensitive and others yeah being sensitive and others yeah being sensitive and empathetic towards the experience of empathetic towards the experience of empathetic towards the experience of others and then trying to build a better others and then trying to build a better others and then trying to build a better world that like suits as many different world that like suits as many different world that like suits as many different types of people as possible while being types of people as possible while being types of people as possible while being like aware of like their needs okay uh like aware of like their needs okay uh like aware of like their needs okay uh so you guys met from what's your from so you guys met from what's your from so you guys met from what's your from your perspective is that did she she she your perspective is that did she she she your perspective is that did she she she telling lies is it accurate No it's telling lies is it accurate No it's telling lies is it accurate No it's pretty accurate accurate okay when did pretty accurate accurate okay when did pretty accurate accurate okay when did you guys actually meet I flew out in

you guys actually meet I flew out in you guys actually meet I flew out in 2019 19 yeah like in February yeah 2019 19 yeah like in February yeah 2019 19 yeah like in February yeah basically there's like weird stuff basically there's like weird stuff basically there's like weird stuff happening in La I just come off of kind happening in La I just come off of kind happening in La I just come off of kind of a weird not kind of sort of of a weird not kind of sort of of a weird not kind of sort of relationship and I just wanted to like relationship and I just wanted to like relationship and I just wanted to like go away for a while um another company go away for a while um another company go away for a while um another company reached out to me and they had like a reached out to me and they had like a reached out to me and they had like a fun streaming device and they said fun streaming device and they said fun streaming device and they said they'd sponsor a trip if I went they'd sponsor a trip if I went they'd sponsor a trip if I went somewhere and I was like oh well I know somewhere and I was like oh well I know somewhere and I was like oh well I know this person I know a couple people in this person I know a couple people in this person I know a couple people in New Zealand Molina's one of them like New Zealand Molina's one of them like New Zealand Molina's one of them like I'll go to New Zealand New Zealand it'll I'll go to New Zealand New Zealand it'll I'll go to New Zealand New Zealand it'll be fun and uh yeah I did that for two be fun and uh yeah I did that for two be fun and uh yeah I did that for two weeks do you guys believe in weeks do you guys believe in weeks do you guys believe in love I feel like you you lack the Goa love I feel like you you lack the Goa love I feel like you you lack the Goa got us into this I'm not sure the degree got us into this I'm not sure the degree got us into this I'm not sure the degree to which you have human emotions I have to which you have human emotions I have to which you have human emotions I have quite a few okay from your perspective quite a few okay from your perspective quite a few okay from your perspective when did you when did you fall in love when did you when did you fall in love when did you when did you fall in love with M when did you fall in love with with M when did you fall in love with with M when did you fall in love with Mellie Mel um M the minute I saw her um Mellie Mel um M the minute I saw her um Mellie Mel um M the minute I saw her um I don't know we our first two weeks I don't know we our first two weeks I don't know we our first two weeks together were a lot of fun we had a lot together were a lot of fun we had a lot together were a lot of fun we had a lot of chemistry in person um I was kind of of chemistry in person um I was kind of of chemistry in person um I was kind of shocked I wasn't thinking about it cuz shocked I wasn't thinking about it cuz shocked I wasn't thinking about it cuz it was like we spent like a week it was like we spent like a week it was like we spent like a week together and you said I really want to together and you said I really want to together and you said I really want to tell you something and you were like you tell you something and you were like you tell you something and you were like you were like salling that for the longest were like salling that for the longest were like salling that for the longest time I think she's oh he said like I time I think she's oh he said like I time I think she's oh he said like I love you no he basically just said like love you no he basically just said like love you no he basically just said like I really like you and it never really I really like you and it never really I really like you and it never really happens that's what said and I was like happens that's what said and I was like happens that's what said and I was like and I thought hey I and I thought hey I and I thought hey I thought so let's still ran uh we said thought so let's still ran uh we said thought so let's still ran uh we said Trump getting banned from Twitter is Trump getting banned from Twitter is Trump getting banned from Twitter is that what we were talking about before that what we were talking about before that what we were talking about before oh yeah hey you agreed to me coming on oh yeah hey you agreed to me coming on oh yeah hey you agreed to me coming on here of course I'm going to be doing here of course I'm going to be doing here of course I'm going to be doing this so how long did I take two weeks this so how long did I take two weeks this so how long did I take two weeks you said took like a week no I don't you said took like a week no I don't you said took like a week no I don't know I think it was just like thing is know I think it was just like thing is know I think it was just like thing is my mind processes like information so my mind processes like information so my mind processes like information so quickly two weeks to somebody like you quickly two weeks to somebody like you quickly two weeks to somebody like you is actually like years for me so oh like is actually like years for me so oh like is actually like years for me so oh like me yeah so there was like a lot of like

me yeah so there was like a lot of like me yeah so there was like a lot of like Factoria type of strategic thinking Factoria type of strategic thinking Factoria type of strategic thinking going on I was seeing like all the going on I was seeing like all the going on I was seeing like all the events like Doctor Strange or whatever events like Doctor Strange or whatever events like Doctor Strange or whatever in The Avengers when he's like seeing in The Avengers when he's like seeing in The Avengers when he's like seeing into all the Futures when you saw me you into all the Futures when you saw me you into all the Futures when you saw me you just saw the future yeah I was looking just saw the future yeah I was looking just saw the future yeah I was looking all them you're doing like some game all them you're doing like some game all them you're doing like some game theoretic simulation of all the possible theoretic simulation of all the possible theoretic simulation of all the possible outcomes yeah exactly okay um but no outcomes yeah exactly okay um but no outcomes yeah exactly okay um but no yeah it was probably pretty soon I yeah it was probably pretty soon I yeah it was probably pretty soon I realized we had a lot of chemistry and realized we had a lot of chemistry and realized we had a lot of chemistry and think before I left after my two weeks think before I left after my two weeks think before I left after my two weeks there I was like we need to make sure there I was like we need to make sure there I was like we need to make sure you get like a ticket to come visit me you get like a ticket to come visit me you get like a ticket to come visit me in the United States cuz it'll be fun in the United States cuz it'll be fun in the United States cuz it'll be fun and everything and then yeah kind of and everything and then yeah kind of and everything and then yeah kind of decided that last minute too it was like decided that last minute too it was like decided that last minute too it was like really like 5 hours before you fly back really like 5 hours before you fly back really like 5 hours before you fly back we kind of realized cuz it was kind of we kind of realized cuz it was kind of we kind of realized cuz it was kind of like meant as just like a one time thing like meant as just like a one time thing like meant as just like a one time thing and then that was it but we're like oh and then that was it but we're like oh and then that was it but we're like oh no this is a lot of fun we should no this is a lot of fun we should no this is a lot of fun we should probably hang out again oh so you probably hang out again oh so you probably hang out again oh so you realized you would miss each other yeah realized you would miss each other yeah realized you would miss each other yeah this was the one time thing The this was the one time thing The this was the one time thing The Melancholy side of Love okay when did Melancholy side of Love okay when did Melancholy side of Love okay when did you fall in lowest dude I thought he you fall in lowest dude I thought he you fall in lowest dude I thought he like hated me I don't know I thought not like hated me I don't know I thought not like hated me I don't know I thought not hated me she thinks I but no no I I hated me she thinks I but no no I I hated me she thinks I but no no I I remember like what what he said that he remember like what what he said that he remember like what what he said that he really liked me I was kind of a little really liked me I was kind of a little really liked me I was kind of a little shocked about that cuz I I don't know shocked about that cuz I I don't know shocked about that cuz I I don't know there was a lot of like random things there was a lot of like random things there was a lot of like random things happening in U it was a lot of fun but happening in U it was a lot of fun but happening in U it was a lot of fun but it was definitely like very interesting it was definitely like very interesting it was definitely like very interesting thing like things that happen um because thing like things that happen um because thing like things that happen um because I I was like around a lot of other I I was like around a lot of other I I was like around a lot of other people as well so I thought he might people as well so I thought he might people as well so I thought he might have had like a really bad time um but have had like a really bad time um but have had like a really bad time um but when he said that I was thinking about when he said that I was thinking about when he said that I was thinking about it more and then we spent like more time it more and then we spent like more time it more and then we spent like more time together like a week after that and then together like a week after that and then together like a week after that and then I felt like that was more like real and I felt like that was more like real and I felt like that was more like real and I think when he was about to leave I I think when he was about to leave I I think when he was about to leave I kind of realized like no I really like kind of realized like no I really like kind of realized like no I really like him do you guys ever say love to each him do you guys ever say love to each him do you guys ever say love to each other like I love you yeah of course other like I love you yeah of course other like I love you yeah of course yeah okay all right wasn't sure why yeah okay all right wasn't sure why yeah okay all right wasn't sure why would you ask that what has you said would you ask that what has you said would you ask that what has you said before that CU I haven't I haven't I

before that CU I haven't I haven't I before that CU I haven't I haven't I don't think I've heard you speak the don't think I've heard you speak the don't think I've heard you speak the only time I've heard St talk about love only time I've heard St talk about love only time I've heard St talk about love is when you're like criticizing the the is when you're like criticizing the the is when you're like criticizing the the red pill Community saying they don't red pill Community saying they don't red pill Community saying they don't ever talk about love in relationships ever talk about love in relationships ever talk about love in relationships almost all the time I'm giving criticism almost all the time I'm giving criticism almost all the time I'm giving criticism to people like I said I'm kind of to people like I said I'm kind of to people like I said I'm kind of stepping in I'm very disconnected from stepping in I'm very disconnected from stepping in I'm very disconnected from my own emotional experience CU I'm my own emotional experience CU I'm my own emotional experience CU I'm trying to talk with in theirs so it's trying to talk with in theirs so it's trying to talk with in theirs so it's pretty rare that I'll talk about what is pretty rare that I'll talk about what is pretty rare that I'll talk about what is your own emotional experience exactly your own emotional experience exactly your own emotional experience exactly highly blunted I guess there's a lot highly blunted I guess there's a lot highly blunted I guess there's a lot okay what does that mean uh I mean okay what does that mean uh I mean okay what does that mean uh I mean what's the what's deep in there are are what's the what's deep in there are are what's the what's deep in there are are you is this just who you are genetically you is this just who you are genetically you is this just who you are genetically or are you running from something I or are you running from something I or are you running from something I think I have a pretty understanding of think I have a pretty understanding of think I have a pretty understanding of myself a lot of people make that myself a lot of people make that myself a lot of people make that accusation to me but I don't think I am accusation to me but I don't think I am accusation to me but I don't think I am okay this is just who you are it's just okay this is just who you are it's just okay this is just who you are it's just who I am yeah okay this is not childhood who I am yeah okay this is not childhood who I am yeah okay this is not childhood stuff like trauma um it's all sorted and stuff like trauma um it's all sorted and stuff like trauma um it's all sorted and done you figured it all out yeah in your done you figured it all out yeah in your done you figured it all out yeah in your old age as I grow every year I figure old age as I grow every year I figure old age as I grow every year I figure out more and more he did mention I think out more and more he did mention I think out more and more he did mention I think I heard this somewhere that this was a I heard this somewhere that this was a I heard this somewhere that this was a source of fights for the two of you the source of fights for the two of you the source of fights for the two of you the age thing I felt the agism throughout age thing I felt the agism throughout age thing I felt the agism throughout this whole this whole this whole conversation um he's basically he's conversation um he's basically he's conversation um he's basically he's saying that he gambles like with time saying that he gambles like with time saying that he gambles like with time he's just like I think she will be good he's just like I think she will be good he's just like I think she will be good later later later and then just like like an investment and then just like like an investment and then just like like an investment yeah yeah that's like what he's doing yeah yeah that's like what he's doing yeah yeah that's like what he's doing when this treasury bond matures I'm when this treasury bond matures I'm when this treasury bond matures I'm going to be able to cash out you think going to be able to cash out you think going to be able to cash out you think so far is the stocks going up or um it's so far is the stocks going up or um it's so far is the stocks going up or um it's tumultuous what that tumultuous what that tumultuous what that meanit oh my God yeah like Bitcoin meanit oh my God yeah like Bitcoin meanit oh my God yeah like Bitcoin crypto Mill all right if you guys don't crypto Mill all right if you guys don't crypto Mill all right if you guys don't mind one interesting aspect of your mind one interesting aspect of your mind one interesting aspect of your relationship is you're in an open relationship is you're in an open relationship is you're in an open relationship what's that like from a relationship what's that like from a relationship what's that like from a game theoretic simulation perspective game theoretic simulation perspective game theoretic simulation perspective what went into that calculation and like

what went into that calculation and like what went into that calculation and like how does that like how that started yeah how does that like how that started yeah how does that like how that started yeah how did that start sure um the only how did that start sure um the only how did that start sure um the only relationships I've ever done has been relationships I've ever done has been relationships I've ever done has been open relationships since I was like in open relationships since I was like in open relationships since I was like in high school cuz I didn't really high school cuz I didn't really high school cuz I didn't really understand like why wouldn't you be able understand like why wouldn't you be able understand like why wouldn't you be able to like do other things with other to like do other things with other to like do other things with other people but then just like have your main people but then just like have your main people but then just like have your main partner basically so what what is an partner basically so what what is an partner basically so what what is an open relationship generally speaking open relationship generally speaking open relationship generally speaking that means you have one main partner non that means you have one main partner non that means you have one main partner non a monogamous relationship like you're a monogamous relationship like you're a monogamous relationship like you're somehow allowed like in different ways somehow allowed like in different ways somehow allowed like in different ways um you can see other people sexually um you can see other people sexually um you can see other people sexually sexually but like there is one sexually but like there is one sexually but like there is one main or it doesn't have to be there for main or it doesn't have to be there for main or it doesn't have to be there for some people but like I think it's some people but like I think it's some people but like I think it's probably easier and we probably don't probably easier and we probably don't probably easier and we probably don't really have time or the energy for like really have time or the energy for like really have time or the energy for like more than like one person to like really more than like one person to like really more than like one person to like really like what about like like what about like like what about like emotional really complicated there's a emotional really complicated there's a emotional really complicated there's a lot of complicated stuff going on under lot of complicated stuff going on under lot of complicated stuff going on under the hood there yeah um I think broadly the hood there yeah um I think broadly the hood there yeah um I think broadly speaking you've got like polyamorous speaking you've got like polyamorous speaking you've got like polyamorous relationships and you've got like open relationships and you've got like open relationships and you've got like open relationships where polyamorous is like relationships where polyamorous is like relationships where polyamorous is like oh I've got like three different oh I've got like three different oh I've got like three different girlfriends and we all hang out or girlfriends and we all hang out or girlfriends and we all hang out or sometimes even live together or three sometimes even live together or three sometimes even live together or three boyfriends whatever and then you've got boyfriends whatever and then you've got boyfriends whatever and then you've got like open relationships which is like oh like open relationships which is like oh like open relationships which is like oh you know like you can basically hook up you know like you can basically hook up you know like you can basically hook up with other people and then you've got with other people and then you've got with other people and then you've got like your main relationship and that's like your main relationship and that's like your main relationship and that's it I think ours is probably somewhere in it I think ours is probably somewhere in it I think ours is probably somewhere in the middle of that um to where like the middle of that um to where like the middle of that um to where like we've got like long-term friends some of we've got like long-term friends some of we've got like long-term friends some of them we hook up with and that's kind of them we hook up with and that's kind of them we hook up with and that's kind of how we yeah it's a delicate dance that how we yeah it's a delicate dance that how we yeah it's a delicate dance that uh explodes every six months on itself uh explodes every six months on itself uh explodes every six months on itself it does explode you guys fight over it it does explode you guys fight over it it does explode you guys fight over it we fight over some things yeah it things we fight over some things yeah it things we fight over some things yeah it things I think I think it's mostly because a I think I think it's mostly because a I think I think it's mostly because a lot of people can't handle it and they lot of people can't handle it and they lot of people can't handle it and they they agree to something and they realize they agree to something and they realize they agree to something and they realize that we're way too cool and then they that we're way too cool and then they that we're way too cool and then they get really obsessed and they think that get really obsessed and they think that get really obsessed and they think that they can like get in there and then it

they can like get in there and then it they can like get in there and then it gets really dramatic mhm have you gets really dramatic mhm have you gets really dramatic mhm have you figured it out figured it out figured it out like I feel like we figure out things like I feel like we figure out things like I feel like we figure out things more and more like when it comes to like more and more like when it comes to like more and more like when it comes to like what's a good person for us to hang out what's a good person for us to hang out what's a good person for us to hang out and what's not a good person for us to and what's not a good person for us to and what's not a good person for us to hang out with or like I probably have hang out with or like I probably have hang out with or like I probably have more opinions on like who he hangs out more opinions on like who he hangs out more opinions on like who he hangs out with because he likes the fucking with because he likes the fucking with because he likes the fucking psychos yeah so you you like the he psychos yeah so you you like the he psychos yeah so you you like the he likes the N like The Crazy Ones like the likes the N like The Crazy Ones like the likes the N like The Crazy Ones like the baby trap sort of women that's the baby trap sort of women that's the baby trap sort of women that's the that's the ones and I don't like that that's the ones and I don't like that that's the ones and I don't like that cuz that affects cuz that affects cuz that affects me that affects your game theoretic me that affects your game theoretic me that affects your game theoretic calculation right uh you like to calculation right uh you like to calculation right uh you like to surround yourself like in general you've surround yourself like in general you've surround yourself like in general you've talked about with crazy people I say talked about with crazy people I say talked about with crazy people I say crazy and I really shouldn't it's crazy and I really shouldn't it's crazy and I really shouldn't it's humorous it's like yeah they're very humorous it's like yeah they're very humorous it's like yeah they're very unstable very can be unstable but people unstable very can be unstable but people unstable very can be unstable but people that are very unique like when I meet that are very unique like when I meet that are very unique like when I meet this person that's like not boring yeah this person that's like not boring yeah this person that's like not boring yeah not boring yeah and you said that you're not boring yeah and you said that you're not boring yeah and you said that you're progressively becoming not boring progressively becoming not boring progressively becoming not boring yourself no I think I'm pretty stable I yourself no I think I'm pretty stable I yourself no I think I'm pretty stable I don't let them affect me much but so you don't let them affect me much but so you don't let them affect me much but so you don't think they affect your no if I've don't think they affect your no if I've don't think they affect your no if I've said that I've said it joking I think said that I've said it joking I think said that I've said it joking I think I've like I've got my stuff like really I've like I've got my stuff like really I've like I've got my stuff like really well figured out it's what allows me to well figured out it's what allows me to well figured out it's what allows me to engage with people like this so easily engage with people like this so easily engage with people like this so easily because I can engage I can make them because I can engage I can make them because I can engage I can make them feel seen and heard and then if it gets feel seen and heard and then if it gets feel seen and heard and then if it gets insane I can cut off and I can be chill insane I can cut off and I can be chill insane I can cut off and I can be chill like very few things affect me in the like very few things affect me in the like very few things affect me in the long term do you guys experience long term do you guys experience long term do you guys experience jealousy usually like whenever I feel jealousy usually like whenever I feel jealousy usually like whenever I feel like he's not spending the like the like he's not spending the like the like he's not spending the like the amount of time that I'm asking for and amount of time that I'm asking for and amount of time that I'm asking for and he spends it on his video games or his he spends it on his video games or his he spends it on his video games or his stream or like he sees someone else like stream or like he sees someone else like stream or like he sees someone else like more than he sees me or something like more than he sees me or something like more than he sees me or something like that that would like not be good cuz that that would like not be good cuz that that would like not be good cuz then it affects like our relationship do then it affects like our relationship do then it affects like our relationship do you have a good sense of like is it you have a good sense of like is it you have a good sense of like is it literally time or or is it the energy

literally time or or is it the energy literally time or or is it the energy put into the it's probably like if like put into the it's probably like if like put into the it's probably like if like if he's with me that like the attention if he's with me that like the attention if he's with me that like the attention in the time like when he hangs out with in the time like when he hangs out with in the time like when he hangs out with me and then there's also probably to me and then there's also probably to me and then there's also probably to time so if I feel like something else is time so if I feel like something else is time so if I feel like something else is distracting too much like it could be distracting too much like it could be distracting too much like it could be work or it could be a friend or it could work or it could be a friend or it could work or it could be a friend or it could be anything like if I feel like it be anything like if I feel like it be anything like if I feel like it starts to take away from like me then starts to take away from like me then starts to take away from like me then I'm having an issue with it I don't I'm having an issue with it I don't I'm having an issue with it I don't think he really cares much I guess the think he really cares much I guess the think he really cares much I guess the only jealousy you experience is probably only jealousy you experience is probably only jealousy you experience is probably when you feel like um like if I get when you feel like um like if I get when you feel like um like if I get upset about him seeing someone too much upset about him seeing someone too much upset about him seeing someone too much and then I go see someone more and then and then I go see someone more and then and then I go see someone more and then he's like why can't I go see my friend he's like why can't I go see my friend he's like why can't I go see my friend more like as much as you so like that's more like as much as you so like that's more like as much as you so like that's the sort of like thing that we're trying the sort of like thing that we're trying the sort of like thing that we're trying to navigate on I to navigate on I to navigate on I guess I think we um we we are like guess I think we um we we are like guess I think we um we we are like diametrically opposed sometimes in terms diametrically opposed sometimes in terms diametrically opposed sometimes in terms of how we view like engagement with of how we view like engagement with of how we view like engagement with people or engagement with the world people or engagement with the world people or engagement with the world sometimes so like on her end of the sometimes so like on her end of the sometimes so like on her end of the spectrum like a perfect week for her spectrum like a perfect week for her spectrum like a perfect week for her might be like being in a cabin watching might be like being in a cabin watching might be like being in a cabin watching like fireflies at night going hiking like fireflies at night going hiking like fireflies at night going hiking every morning going swimming at the every morning going swimming at the every morning going swimming at the beach because it's like you're taking in beach because it's like you're taking in beach because it's like you're taking in like the of nature you're like connected like the of nature you're like connected like the of nature you're like connected with yourself you're like very at peace with yourself you're like very at peace with yourself you're like very at peace everything is like chill and cool everything is like chill and cool everything is like chill and cool there's the wind the feeling of nature there's the wind the feeling of nature there's the wind the feeling of nature everything that's like her Peak living everything that's like her Peak living everything that's like her Peak living experience being press like and like my experience being press like and like my experience being press like and like my Peak experiences are like people trying Peak experiences are like people trying Peak experiences are like people trying to destroy my life like the challenge of to destroy my life like the challenge of to destroy my life like the challenge of like navigating really complicated like navigating really complicated like navigating really complicated discussion um like you know several discussion um like you know several discussion um like you know several different dramatic events unfolding that different dramatic events unfolding that different dramatic events unfolding that might end my career like these things might end my career like these things might end my career like these things are like very I like the stress and the are like very I like the stress and the are like very I like the stress and the action and the entertainment and action and the entertainment and action and the entertainment and everything is like very cool for me everything is like very cool for me everything is like very cool for me soone we're together she genely wants me soone we're together she genely wants me soone we're together she genely wants me to be like more chill but if I don't to be like more chill but if I don't to be like more chill but if I don't feel like I'm being like stimulated a feel like I'm being like stimulated a feel like I'm being like stimulated a lot then it's EAS for like my mind to lot then it's EAS for like my mind to lot then it's EAS for like my mind to wander orwhere else that's kind of the

wander orwhere else that's kind of the wander orwhere else that's kind of the issue we have a very different way of issue we have a very different way of issue we have a very different way of like engaging with so how can you find like engaging with so how can you find like engaging with so how can you find happiness and the Stillness I feel like happiness and the Stillness I feel like happiness and the Stillness I feel like if we're just like aware of it and we're if we're just like aware of it and we're if we're just like aware of it and we're trying our best like whenever we like trying our best like whenever we like trying our best like whenever we like we're supposed to do this one thing so we're supposed to do this one thing so we're supposed to do this one thing so let's say that we want to go to New York let's say that we want to go to New York let's say that we want to go to New York and I'm like we should just like go out and I'm like we should just like go out and I'm like we should just like go out and do this one specific thing we try to and do this one specific thing we try to and do this one specific thing we try to find something that he enjoys doing like find something that he enjoys doing like find something that he enjoys doing like uh now that we're in Texas we can go uh now that we're in Texas we can go uh now that we're in Texas we can go shooting or do something fun that he shooting or do something fun that he shooting or do something fun that he enjoys then we can do it um and then I enjoys then we can do it um and then I enjoys then we can do it um and then I think like just like for me also to be think like just like for me also to be think like just like for me also to be aware aware aware um that like when he spends lots of time um that like when he spends lots of time um that like when he spends lots of time on crazy people it's not because he like on crazy people it's not because he like on crazy people it's not because he like loves them or wants to be with them it's loves them or wants to be with them it's loves them or wants to be with them it's just because he likes being like having just because he likes being like having just because he likes being like having having his life destroyed like you said having his life destroyed like you said having his life destroyed like you said which I don't really do so it's a which I don't really do so it's a which I don't really do so it's a completely different thing so like for completely different thing so like for completely different thing so like for me to like understand more like how he's me to like understand more like how he's me to like understand more like how he's thinking because it's so different from thinking because it's so different from thinking because it's so different from mine and for him to understand how I'm mine and for him to understand how I'm mine and for him to understand how I'm thinking about things and like what I thinking about things and like what I thinking about things and like what I prioritize in my life I think that's prioritize in my life I think that's prioritize in my life I think that's like how we navigate but I think it's like how we navigate but I think it's like how we navigate but I think it's good I think the differences can be good good I think the differences can be good good I think the differences can be good like when we're finding a way yeah well like when we're finding a way yeah well like when we're finding a way yeah well I think you're you're relatable I think you're you're relatable I think you're you're relatable more of a human I'm definitely very more of a human I'm definitely very more of a human I'm definitely very difficult to get along with like I difficult to get along with like I difficult to get along with like I always tell people that that like if always tell people that that like if always tell people that that like if you're dating me for like more than a you're dating me for like more than a you're dating me for like more than a few years like you get like an War like few years like you get like an War like few years like you get like an War like a war zone that you've survived a war zone that you've survived a war zone that you've survived absolutely you're like a veteran you get absolutely you're like a veteran you get absolutely you're like a veteran you get medals and stuff and it's always like I medals and stuff and it's always like I medals and stuff and it's always like I think there's probably been like six think there's probably been like six think there's probably been like six different I don't think she says it different I don't think she says it different I don't think she says it anymore but there are like six different anymore but there are like six different anymore but there are like six different times in our relationship where she's times in our relationship where she's times in our relationship where she's like is it always like this is this like is it always like this is this like is it always like this is this actually and like every next year the actually and like every next year the actually and like every next year the beginning of like you were lying about beginning of like you were lying about beginning of like you were lying about that it got you were not you were like that it got you were not you were like that it got you were not you were like no it's just like right now I'm having a no it's just like right now I'm having a no it's just like right now I'm having a huge argument online about saying the n huge argument online about saying the n huge argument online about saying the n word in private it's just going to be word in private it's just going to be word in private it's just going to be like this and I'm going to be streaming

like this and I'm going to be streaming like this and I'm going to be streaming 24 hours a day and I'm like where like 24 hours a day and I'm like where like 24 hours a day and I'm like where like when are you going to come to bed it's when are you going to come to bed it's when are you going to come to bed it's been a week is this I did playing League been a week is this I did playing League been a week is this I did playing League come into into this uh a little bit come into into this uh a little bit come into into this uh a little bit clean I'm clean of League like six clean I'm clean of League like six clean I'm clean of League like six months right now what what do you uh months right now what what do you uh months right now what what do you uh hate about League I never got hate about League I never got hate about League I never got humans well speaking of which I my humans well speaking of which I my humans well speaking of which I my participation in League involved on the participation in League involved on the participation in League involved on the robot side good cuz that's that's an robot side good cuz that's that's an robot side good cuz that's that's an improvement cuz uh uh both Starcraft 2 improvement cuz uh uh both Starcraft 2 improvement cuz uh uh both Starcraft 2 and and League of Legends cuz open Ai and and League of Legends cuz open Ai and and League of Legends cuz open Ai and deep mind uh both participating in and deep mind uh both participating in and deep mind uh both participating in creating bots in those I was a creating bots in those I was a creating bots in those I was a professional Starcraft 2 player so I professional Starcraft 2 player so I professional Starcraft 2 player so I remember when the AI started to play remember when the AI started to play remember when the AI started to play it's interesting the types of it's interesting the types of it's interesting the types of restrictions that you would have to put restrictions that you would have to put restrictions that you would have to put on like a gaming robot to make it like on like a gaming robot to make it like on like a gaming robot to make it like functional and not totally unfair to the functional and not totally unfair to the functional and not totally unfair to the other side yeah to make it humanik yeah other side yeah to make it humanik yeah other side yeah to make it humanik yeah was that interesting to you to see AI be was that interesting to you to see AI be was that interesting to you to see AI be able to play those video games I think able to play those video games I think able to play those video games I think in some ways people think things are in some ways people think things are in some ways people think things are more complicated than they actually are more complicated than they actually are more complicated than they actually are and I think video games is one of those and I think video games is one of those and I think video games is one of those things where like oh my God there's like things where like oh my God there's like things where like oh my God there's like a million possibilities every second and a million possibilities every second and a million possibilities every second and who knows and it's like no there's like who knows and it's like no there's like who knows and it's like no there's like three or four things going on at any three or four things going on at any three or four things going on at any point in time and I'm willing to bet point in time and I'm willing to bet point in time and I'm willing to bet that like an AI could probably solve that like an AI could probably solve that like an AI could probably solve some of these games like pretty easily some of these games like pretty easily some of these games like pretty easily um especially if there are no um especially if there are no um especially if there are no constraints on how they can learn yeah constraints on how they can learn yeah constraints on how they can learn yeah can I talk to you about relationships can I talk to you about relationships can I talk to you about relationships yeah we already have so yeah I know but yeah we already have so yeah I know but yeah we already have so yeah I know but more generally speaking we we didn't get more generally speaking we we didn't get more generally speaking we we didn't get a chance to talk about the the red pill a chance to talk about the the red pill a chance to talk about the the red pill Community oh sh well first of all what Community oh sh well first of all what Community oh sh well first of all what is the red pill Community the manosphere is the red pill Community the manosphere is the red pill Community the manosphere in general I'd love to get both of your in general I'd love to get both of your in general I'd love to get both of your opinions on this sure I I know I know opinions on this sure I I know I know opinions on this sure I I know I know you're probably not as opinionated on you're probably not as opinionated on you're probably not as opinionated on that say do you think I am that like

that say do you think I am that like that say do you think I am that like probably not as you like as much as you probably not as you like as much as you probably not as you like as much as you but I I do have opinions andu you do but I I do have opinions andu you do but I I do have opinions andu you do okay I usually don't like speak out too okay I usually don't like speak out too okay I usually don't like speak out too much on it because I feel like there's much on it because I feel like there's much on it because I feel like there's like a language barrier that's why I like a language barrier that's why I like a language barrier that's why I don't really do politics because this is don't really do politics because this is don't really do politics because this is my second language yeah that's right you my second language yeah that's right you my second language yeah that's right you have to know the a little bit like that have to know the a little bit like that have to know the a little bit like that you know how to use have to use you know how to use have to use you know how to use have to use derogatory terms every other sentence so derogatory terms every other sentence so derogatory terms every other sentence so they understand you right exactly I they understand you right exactly I they understand you right exactly I don't know anything about that you need don't know anything about that you need don't know anything about that you need like a good like you need to be able to like a good like you need to be able to like a good like you need to be able to like speak really well for people to like speak really well for people to like speak really well for people to take you seriously I think and like take you seriously I think and like take you seriously I think and like that's a thing like if I if I don't have that's a thing like if I if I don't have that's a thing like if I if I don't have like the words and I don't have the like like the words and I don't have the like like the words and I don't have the like I can't pronounce things I can't pronounce things I can't pronounce things correctly person searching for Words correctly person searching for Words correctly person searching for Words looks stupid essentially that's how looks stupid essentially that's how looks stupid essentially that's how people view it tell me about it I have a people view it tell me about it I have a people view it tell me about it I have a podcast that a bunch of people listen to podcast that a bunch of people listen to podcast that a bunch of people listen to and I mumble and they yeah wait is your and I mumble and they yeah wait is your and I mumble and they yeah wait is your what's your first language Russian oh what's your first language Russian oh what's your first language Russian oh okay but I speak both languages horribly okay but I speak both languages horribly okay but I speak both languages horribly I'm just not I'm not like there's I'm just not I'm not like there's I'm just not I'm not like there's definitely a big disconnect between my definitely a big disconnect between my definitely a big disconnect between my brain and in my mouth module like I'm brain and in my mouth module like I'm brain and in my mouth module like I'm not able to generate the thoughts not able to generate the thoughts not able to generate the thoughts efficiently like the things you're able efficiently like the things you're able efficiently like the things you're able to do like like speak like that I'm not to do like like speak like that I'm not to do like like speak like that I'm not M it's very very tough plus there's huge M it's very very tough plus there's huge M it's very very tough plus there's huge amount of anxiety and social interaction amount of anxiety and social interaction amount of anxiety and social interaction that I have which makes speaking even that I have which makes speaking even that I have which makes speaking even harder got yeah yeah yeah it's tough I harder got yeah yeah yeah it's tough I harder got yeah yeah yeah it's tough I understand it understand it understand it gotcha makes sense yeah the the gotcha gotcha makes sense yeah the the gotcha gotcha makes sense yeah the the gotcha is both uh a symbol of compassion and is both uh a symbol of compassion and is both uh a symbol of compassion and derision at once it's I'm just letting derision at once it's I'm just letting derision at once it's I'm just letting you know I understand what you say I'm you know I understand what you say I'm you know I understand what you say I'm just going to sit there and stare you no just going to sit there and stare you no just going to sit there and stare you no you can just say like yeah get it like you can just say like yeah get it like you can just say like yeah get it like yeah I get it

yeah I get it yeah I get it gotta no it's so it's so short it's like gotta no it's so it's so short it's like gotta no it's so it's so short it's like say say say a longer sentence but that say say say a longer sentence but that say say say a longer sentence but that means the same thing I understand you means the same thing I understand you means the same thing I understand you yeah good that's good that's like not yeah good that's good that's like not yeah good that's good that's like not chills you know you get chills so you chills you know you get chills so you chills you know you get chills so you understand me yeah it feels good yeah I understand me yeah it feels good yeah I understand me yeah it feels good yeah I hear you I hear you and like if you just hear you I hear you and like if you just hear you I hear you and like if you just like hold the other person's hand that's like hold the other person's hand that's like hold the other person's hand that's even better you got to put in some even better you got to put in some even better you got to put in some emotion there okay show that you have emotion there okay show that you have emotion there okay show that you have some I understand what do what do you some I understand what do what do you some I understand what do what do you think about gotcha what do you think think about gotcha what do you think think about gotcha what do you think about red pill uh what what sorry what about red pill uh what what sorry what about red pill uh what what sorry what what is it first of all for people don't what is it first of all for people don't what is it first of all for people don't know yeah the red pill Community know yeah the red pill Community know yeah the red pill Community obviously it's the Matrix reference the obviously it's the Matrix reference the obviously it's the Matrix reference the red pill that you take is when you red pill that you take is when you red pill that you take is when you realize what dating standards and Norms realize what dating standards and Norms realize what dating standards and Norms really are in the world that men are really are in the world that men are really are in the world that men are providers and have to become some great providers and have to become some great providers and have to become some great thing to haunt and attract you know the thing to haunt and attract you know the thing to haunt and attract you know the women who are just kind of there women who are just kind of there women who are just kind of there floating around looking for people to floating around looking for people to floating around looking for people to give them the most resources and it's give them the most resources and it's give them the most resources and it's like coming to a realization of what the like coming to a realization of what the like coming to a realization of what the world of dating really is broken away world of dating really is broken away world of dating really is broken away from the Hollywood standard and the from the Hollywood standard and the from the Hollywood standard and the romantic stuff that they try to sell you romantic stuff that they try to sell you romantic stuff that they try to sell you in you know stores so there was kind of in you know stores so there was kind of in you know stores so there was kind of maybe you can kind of educate me on this maybe you can kind of educate me on this maybe you can kind of educate me on this but red pill used to be associated with but red pill used to be associated with but red pill used to be associated with just just just um maybe anti-establishment views I um maybe anti-establishment views I um maybe anti-establishment views I don't know uh maybe maybe Republican don't know uh maybe maybe Republican don't know uh maybe maybe Republican conservative view point yeah they use conservative view point yeah they use conservative view point yeah they use red pill a lot in like different red pill a lot in like different red pill a lot in like different communities like when you say the red communities like when you say the red communities like when you say the red pill Community yeah that's usually means pill Community yeah that's usually means pill Community yeah that's usually means dating the dating thing but a lot of dating the dating thing but a lot of dating the dating thing but a lot of people say oh Trump voters they're red people say oh Trump voters they're red people say oh Trump voters they're red pilled are you Red pilled on like pilled are you Red pilled on like pilled are you Red pilled on like politics whatever people say stuff like politics whatever people say stuff like politics whatever people say stuff like that yeah okay cool and then there's that yeah okay cool and then there's that yeah okay cool and then there's like the manosphere that's all the like the manosphere that's all the like the manosphere that's all the similar type of stuff and Andrew Tate is similar type of stuff and Andrew Tate is similar type of stuff and Andrew Tate is somebody that represents kind of the somebody that represents kind of the somebody that represents kind of the figurehead of the manosphere of like the

figurehead of the manosphere of like the figurehead of the manosphere of like the red pill stuff yeah I would say so I'm red pill stuff yeah I would say so I'm red pill stuff yeah I would say so I'm pretty sure yeah okay all right cool so pretty sure yeah okay all right cool so pretty sure yeah okay all right cool so uh what are some ideas that they uh what are some ideas that they uh what are some ideas that they represent and what do you think about represent and what do you think about represent and what do you think about them I think they do a good job at them I think they do a good job at them I think they do a good job at speaking to disaffected young men who speaking to disaffected young men who speaking to disaffected young men who feel like the rest of the world has kind feel like the rest of the world has kind feel like the rest of the world has kind of left them behind or isn't willing to of left them behind or isn't willing to of left them behind or isn't willing to speak to them and they do Identify some speak to them and they do Identify some speak to them and they do Identify some true and real problems feels like on the true and real problems feels like on the true and real problems feels like on the left we have a really hard time doing left we have a really hard time doing left we have a really hard time doing like self-improvement or telling people like self-improvement or telling people like self-improvement or telling people how to better themselves we focus too how to better themselves we focus too how to better themselves we focus too much on like structural or systemic much on like structural or systemic much on like structural or systemic issues rather than what can an issues rather than what can an issues rather than what can an individual do to uplift or Empower individual do to uplift or Empower individual do to uplift or Empower themselves and it also feels like they themselves and it also feels like they themselves and it also feels like they do a good job at speaking to some of the do a good job at speaking to some of the do a good job at speaking to some of the positive aspects of masculinity that positive aspects of masculinity that positive aspects of masculinity that it's okay to be like strong and brave it's okay to be like strong and brave it's okay to be like strong and brave and a soldier and a warrior and provide and a soldier and a warrior and provide and a soldier and a warrior and provide for your family and blah blah blah um so for your family and blah blah blah um so for your family and blah blah blah um so I said like those are like positive I said like those are like positive I said like those are like positive messages like self-improvement and messages like self-improvement and messages like self-improvement and everything that come from the red pill everything that come from the red pill everything that come from the red pill Community what's the Community what's the Community what's the negative I think the analysis on how men negative I think the analysis on how men negative I think the analysis on how men and women interact is a way to transa and women interact is a way to transa and women interact is a way to transa all of like the Romanticism and love and all of like the Romanticism and love and all of like the Romanticism and love and chemistry is totally sucked out of it chemistry is totally sucked out of it chemistry is totally sucked out of it everything is very like sex based like everything is very like sex based like everything is very like sex based like how do you basically have sex with the how do you basically have sex with the how do you basically have sex with the most amount of women possible and that's most amount of women possible and that's most amount of women possible and that's going to make you happy um and then I going to make you happy um and then I going to make you happy um and then I think people's motivations sometimes are think people's motivations sometimes are think people's motivations sometimes are just spoken about in such a shallow just spoken about in such a shallow just spoken about in such a shallow derogatory way that I don't think is derogatory way that I don't think is derogatory way that I don't think is always reflective of reality like woman always reflective of reality like woman always reflective of reality like woman only wants you because you make six only wants you because you make six only wants you because you make six figures and you're tall and a guy only figures and you're tall and a guy only figures and you're tall and a guy only wants you because he wants to have sex wants you because he wants to have sex wants you because he wants to have sex with you and blah like it feels like with you and blah like it feels like with you and blah like it feels like there's a lot of that going on a lot there's a lot of that going on a lot there's a lot of that going on a lot yeah and that misses some fundamental yeah and that misses some fundamental yeah and that misses some fundamental aspect about relationships about aspect about relationships about aspect about relationships about meaningful relationships and so on MH I meaningful relationships and so on MH I meaningful relationships and so on MH I don't think I've never heard red pill don't think I've never heard red pill don't think I've never heard red pill people ever ever talk about like people ever ever talk about like people ever ever talk about like meaningful relationships it's always meaningful relationships it's always meaningful relationships it's always just how to get in one or how to have just how to get in one or how to have just how to get in one or how to have sex really Mel what bothers you about

sex really Mel what bothers you about sex really Mel what bothers you about some of that philosophy I feel like the some of that philosophy I feel like the some of that philosophy I feel like the people that are like the red pill people people that are like the red pill people people that are like the red pill people I feel like their solution is something I feel like their solution is something I feel like their solution is something that doesn't actually work out um it that doesn't actually work out um it that doesn't actually work out um it like or it work out it works out for like or it work out it works out for like or it work out it works out for some people people that makes a lot of some people people that makes a lot of some people people that makes a lot of money is like really successful and that money is like really successful and that money is like really successful and that sort of way but it's not going to help sort of way but it's not going to help sort of way but it's not going to help most men out there so I feel like it's most men out there so I feel like it's most men out there so I feel like it's just like a pointless like speech to just like a pointless like speech to just like a pointless like speech to give to these like really lost guys and give to these like really lost guys and give to these like really lost guys and they really do believe that they can they really do believe that they can they really do believe that they can like they can become successful they can like they can become successful they can like they can become successful they can uh get money and like and when they get uh get money and like and when they get uh get money and like and when they get all these things they can get girls but all these things they can get girls but all these things they can get girls but most of them is not going to achieve most of them is not going to achieve most of them is not going to achieve that ever they get the money part or that ever they get the money part or that ever they get the money part or become successful just become a become successful just become a become successful just become a billionaire you know like and you will billionaire you know like and you will billionaire you know like and you will get all the girls and which is true but get all the girls and which is true but get all the girls and which is true but not everyone can do that so I feel like not everyone can do that so I feel like not everyone can do that so I feel like when these guys are speaking to these when these guys are speaking to these when these guys are speaking to these men and they're just like we just care men and they're just like we just care men and they're just like we just care about these men out there you know they about these men out there you know they about these men out there you know they need to hear this it doesn't really help need to hear this it doesn't really help need to hear this it doesn't really help a lot of them and it doesn't um Inspire a lot of them and it doesn't um Inspire a lot of them and it doesn't um Inspire them to develop compassion towards the them to develop compassion towards the them to develop compassion towards the opposite sex which is probably something opposite sex which is probably something opposite sex which is probably something required to have a meaningful required to have a meaningful required to have a meaningful relationship and also like they they relationship and also like they they relationship and also like they they seem to complain a lot about women um seem to complain a lot about women um seem to complain a lot about women um like only wanting men that have money like only wanting men that have money like only wanting men that have money and that's tall and that's muscular and that's tall and that's muscular and that's tall and that's muscular whatever you know all those things um whatever you know all those things um whatever you know all those things um and but they they complain about that and but they they complain about that and but they they complain about that but that's like also kind of what but that's like also kind of what but that's like also kind of what they're trying to make the men try to do they're trying to make the men try to do they're trying to make the men try to do for themselves so they kind of like fall for themselves so they kind of like fall for themselves so they kind of like fall into the same sort of behavior and it into the same sort of behavior and it into the same sort of behavior and it seems like they're kind of unaware of seems like they're kind of unaware of seems like they're kind of unaware of that as well that as well that as well um they're just playing a part of the um they're just playing a part of the um they're just playing a part of the game instead of trying to find a woman game instead of trying to find a woman game instead of trying to find a woman that doesn't look for those things and that doesn't look for those things and that doesn't look for those things and that are looking for not those things that are looking for not those things that are looking for not those things yeah I actually would love to have like

yeah I actually would love to have like yeah I actually would love to have like straight up data on people in that world straight up data on people in that world straight up data on people in that world versus not in that world how often they versus not in that world how often they versus not in that world how often they get laid Yeah like literally so I think get laid Yeah like literally so I think get laid Yeah like literally so I think for sure people in that world have fewer for sure people in that world have fewer for sure people in that world have fewer meaningful long-term relationships that meaningful long-term relationships that meaningful long-term relationships that are fulfilling that actually helped them are fulfilling that actually helped them are fulfilling that actually helped them succeed in life that helped them be succeed in life that helped them be succeed in life that helped them be happy and content and all that kind of happy and content and all that kind of happy and content and all that kind of stuff but just even the straight up the stuff but just even the straight up the stuff but just even the straight up the the shallow goal of getting the shallow goal of getting the shallow goal of getting laid I wonder uhhuh because it's very laid I wonder uhhuh because it's very laid I wonder uhhuh because it's very possible that like just the the possible that like just the the possible that like just the the roughness with which they uh treat roughness with which they uh treat roughness with which they uh treat intellectually women that might lead to intellectually women that might lead to intellectually women that might lead to lower success not higher success it's lower success not higher success it's lower success not higher success it's very adversarial which I think is always very adversarial which I think is always very adversarial which I think is always disappointing anything that talks about disappointing anything that talks about disappointing anything that talks about men and women I think it's good to men and women I think it's good to men and women I think it's good to acknowledge differences but when it acknowledge differences but when it acknowledge differences but when it becomes like adversarial especially when becomes like adversarial especially when becomes like adversarial especially when you talk about sex sex is something that you talk about sex sex is something that you talk about sex sex is something that men are getting and it's something that men are getting and it's something that men are getting and it's something that women are giving and that type of like women are giving and that type of like women are giving and that type of like trade-off and the way they talk about it trade-off and the way they talk about it trade-off and the way they talk about it is like yeah it sets people against each is like yeah it sets people against each is like yeah it sets people against each other in a really toxic way I think mhm other in a really toxic way I think mhm other in a really toxic way I think mhm how do you talk to people from that how do you talk to people from that how do you talk to people from that world from the red pill world like would world from the red pill world like would world from the red pill world like would you would you ever talk to like somebody you would you ever talk to like somebody you would you ever talk to like somebody like Andrew Tate oh yeah if I had the like Andrew Tate oh yeah if I had the like Andrew Tate oh yeah if I had the chance to I've been on the um fresh and chance to I've been on the um fresh and chance to I've been on the um fresh and fit podcast a few times and then I've fit podcast a few times and then I've fit podcast a few times and then I've got a friend sneo who's like very red got a friend sneo who's like very red got a friend sneo who's like very red pill that stuff pill that stuff pill that stuff um if I'm trying to talk to them usually um if I'm trying to talk to them usually um if I'm trying to talk to them usually the um it's kind of like approaching a the um it's kind of like approaching a the um it's kind of like approaching a like a scared cat the first thing you like a scared cat the first thing you like a scared cat the first thing you have to do is like be very gentle and have to do is like be very gentle and have to do is like be very gentle and say like I understand your issues I say like I understand your issues I say like I understand your issues I understand your complaints I know that understand your complaints I know that understand your complaints I know that you're I'm scary because you think I'm you're I'm scary because you think I'm you're I'm scary because you think I'm going to say like toxic masculinity and going to say like toxic masculinity and going to say like toxic masculinity and feminism and all these scary words at feminism and all these scary words at feminism and all these scary words at you um so the first thing is always to you um so the first thing is always to you um so the first thing is always to recognize it like a lot of when they

recognize it like a lot of when they recognize it like a lot of when they talk about there are like true aspects talk about there are like true aspects talk about there are like true aspects to what they're talking about that to what they're talking about that to what they're talking about that people on the left won't recognize so I people on the left won't recognize so I people on the left won't recognize so I think it's good to acknowledge those think it's good to acknowledge those think it's good to acknowledge those things that like men and women are kind things that like men and women are kind things that like men and women are kind of different we do look for different of different we do look for different of different we do look for different things in general when it comes to things in general when it comes to things in general when it comes to relationships it's okay to say that it's relationships it's okay to say that it's relationships it's okay to say that it's not there's nothing bad there and then not there's nothing bad there and then not there's nothing bad there and then it'll usually be like once I've got your it'll usually be like once I've got your it'll usually be like once I've got your trust and I'm in your bubble like let's trust and I'm in your bubble like let's trust and I'm in your bubble like let's talk about the things that you want and talk about the things that you want and talk about the things that you want and maybe like some of the strategies that maybe like some of the strategies that maybe like some of the strategies that you're employing aren't necessarily you're employing aren't necessarily you're employing aren't necessarily going to get you some of the things that going to get you some of the things that going to get you some of the things that you want so for instance if you're you want so for instance if you're you want so for instance if you're really worried about like shallow girls really worried about like shallow girls really worried about like shallow girls like ruining your life like Molina said like ruining your life like Molina said like ruining your life like Molina said um it's probably not best to build your um it's probably not best to build your um it's probably not best to build your entire worldview around trying to get entire worldview around trying to get entire worldview around trying to get shallow girls that are going to ruin shallow girls that are going to ruin shallow girls that are going to ruin your life like if your way of attracting your life like if your way of attracting your life like if your way of attracting a girl is to go to the gym get a whole a girl is to go to the gym get a whole a girl is to go to the gym get a whole bunch of money and try to like flaunt bunch of money and try to like flaunt bunch of money and try to like flaunt your wealth as much as possible you're your wealth as much as possible you're your wealth as much as possible you're going to be attracting the very same going to be attracting the very same going to be attracting the very same type of women that you're here like DEC type of women that you're here like DEC type of women that you're here like DEC crying on your stream yeah I think we crying on your stream yeah I think we crying on your stream yeah I think we talked about that on the podcast like talked about that on the podcast like talked about that on the podcast like you probably want to have a woman that's you probably want to have a woman that's you probably want to have a woman that's going to be there if you lose your job going to be there if you lose your job going to be there if you lose your job it's still there like that cares but the it's still there like that cares but the it's still there like that cares but the things that's not just your job yeah um things that's not just your job yeah um things that's not just your job yeah um it's more stable and also I don't help it's more stable and also I don't help it's more stable and also I don't help you become a great man or a great like you become a great man or a great like you become a great man or a great like grow like I feel like a great friendship grow like I feel like a great friendship grow like I feel like a great friendship and a partnership like it helps you make and a partnership like it helps you make and a partnership like it helps you make you a better person some of the most you a better person some of the most you a better person some of the most successful people I know I mean they successful people I know I mean they successful people I know I mean they have families and there's clearly a have families and there's clearly a have families and there's clearly a dynamic there that's like that makes dynamic there that's like that makes dynamic there that's like that makes them they wouldn't be that without them they wouldn't be that without them they wouldn't be that without they're not an island yeah yeah and the they're not an island yeah yeah and the they're not an island yeah yeah and the kids actually are big part of that too kids actually are big part of that too kids actually are big part of that too like for most people if you're like a like for most people if you're like a like for most people if you're like a good parent they make you step up good parent they make you step up good parent they make you step up somehow in life you have to take somehow in life you have to take somehow in life you have to take responsibility for getting your shit responsibility for getting your shit responsibility for getting your shit together and excelling in ways that uh I together and excelling in ways that uh I together and excelling in ways that uh I guess the philosophy of the red poool guess the philosophy of the red poool guess the philosophy of the red poool does not quite get to that's always an does not quite get to that's always an does not quite get to that's always an interesting I think I've asked that 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interesting I think I've asked that a interesting I think I've asked that a couple times where it's like would you couple times where it's like would you couple times where it's like would you let your daughter date Andrew Tate and let your daughter date Andrew Tate and let your daughter date Andrew Tate and it's always funny to watch them kind of it's always funny to watch them kind of it's always funny to watch them kind of like squirm around those answers like squirm around those answers like squirm around those answers sometimes but see if they if they don't sometimes but see if they if they don't sometimes but see if they if they don't have a daughter like I you know I don't have a daughter like I you know I don't have a daughter like I you know I don't have a daughter I think your whole have a daughter I think your whole have a daughter I think your whole philosophy changes once you have a philosophy changes once you have a philosophy changes once you have a daughter sure you even at that like they daughter sure you even at that like they daughter sure you even at that like they can they know what they're answering can they know what they're answering can they know what they're answering they feel a little bit weird about it they feel a little bit weird about it they feel a little bit weird about it it's funny to watch them like they even it's funny to watch them like they even it's funny to watch them like they even they know it's like a fuck you know well they know it's like a fuck you know well they know it's like a fuck you know well they they might say like I I want my they they might say like I I want my they they might say like I I want my daughter to date like a high value male daughter to date like a high value male daughter to date like a high value male to the degree that he's a high value to the degree that he's a high value to the degree that he's a high value male yes but like I don't think you'll male yes but like I don't think you'll male yes but like I don't think you'll feel that way the definition of high feel that way the definition of high feel that way the definition of high value changes completely certainly the value changes completely certainly the value changes completely certainly the stereotypical measures of value stereotypical measures of value stereotypical measures of value contribute to the calculation but it's contribute to the calculation but it's contribute to the calculation but it's so much more than that I think uh the so much more than that I think uh the so much more than that I think uh the chemistry of the whole thing is is chemistry of the whole thing is is chemistry of the whole thing is is bigger uh you've also mentioned about bigger uh you've also mentioned about bigger uh you've also mentioned about body count you guys both have a high body count you guys both have a high body count you guys both have a high body count does body count matter or it body count does body count matter or it body count does body count matter or it depends like like you said it's low in depends like like you said it's low in depends like like you said it's low in some people's eyes it's high in other some people's eyes it's high in other some people's eyes it's high in other people's eyes does body count matter in people's eyes does body count matter in people's eyes does body count matter in relationships does the past matter well relationships does the past matter well relationships does the past matter well the past matters I don't think body the past matters I don't think body the past matters I don't think body count not to me I don't really care not count not to me I don't really care not count not to me I don't really care not just as it is no yeah I mean it could be just as it is no yeah I mean it could be just as it is no yeah I mean it could be the past does yeah well the past is who the past does yeah well the past is who the past does yeah well the past is who you are right like somebody tells me you are right like somebody tells me you are right like somebody tells me like they have a 200 body count and like they have a 200 body count and like they have a 200 body count and they're 16 something's probably going on they're 16 something's probably going on they're 16 something's probably going on there that's not good I was thinking there that's not good I was thinking there that's not good I was thinking about that too like cuz it could be like about that too like cuz it could be like about that too like cuz it could be like really young people that are having some really young people that are having some really young people that are having some sort of like mental going on or or sort of like mental going on or or sort of like mental going on or or somebody's like 45 and they've like somebody's like 45 and they've like somebody's like 45 and they've like never had sex before there's probably never had sex before there's probably never had sex before there's probably something going on right so they could something going on right so they could something going on right so they could be indicative but if somebody's like in be indicative but if somebody's like in be indicative but if somebody's like in their 20s and they've had sex with you their 20s and they've had sex with you their 20s and they've had sex with you know 100 people or 50 people whatever know 100 people or 50 people whatever know 100 people or 50 people whatever it's you know whatever there's more

it's you know whatever there's more it's you know whatever there's more experience which can be good sure okay experience which can be good sure okay experience which can be good sure okay so that that just represents you're like so that that just represents you're like so that that just represents you're like sexually open and so it doesn't really sexually open and so it doesn't really sexually open and so it doesn't really necessarily mean any kind of not necessarily mean any kind of not necessarily mean any kind of not necessarily it could though the number necessarily it could though the number necessarily it could though the number alone doesn't mean anything mhm yeah alone doesn't mean anything mhm yeah alone doesn't mean anything mhm yeah okay well you could meet a guy that's okay well you could meet a guy that's okay well you could meet a guy that's like I just really really like want to like I just really really like want to like I just really really like want to fuck a lot of people because it makes me fuck a lot of people because it makes me fuck a lot of people because it makes me so cool like could you can be someone so cool like could you can be someone so cool like could you can be someone like that which is like so the body like that which is like so the body like that which is like so the body count doesn't matter but like where it count doesn't matter but like where it count doesn't matter but like where it comes from yeah like why why have you comes from yeah like why why have you comes from yeah like why why have you slept with the people that you slept slept with the people that you slept slept with the people that you slept with yes does it hurt like the Romantic with yes does it hurt like the Romantic with yes does it hurt like the Romantic aspect of the relationship knowing that aspect of the relationship knowing that aspect of the relationship knowing that there's a lot of people in the past I there's a lot of people in the past I there's a lot of people in the past I don't not for us no is a part of the don't not for us no is a part of the don't not for us no is a part of the relationship fundamentally romantic for relationship fundamentally romantic for relationship fundamentally romantic for us yeah yeah us yeah yeah us yeah yeah okay what you come off with such a cold okay what you come off with such a cold okay what you come off with such a cold person no I was just in my head thinking person no I was just in my head thinking person no I was just in my head thinking I wanted to just say gotcha right there I wanted to just say gotcha right there I wanted to just say gotcha right there oh oh oh it's so judgmental I think when when it it's so judgmental I think when when it it's so judgmental I think when when it comes to the sex thing there's always comes to the sex thing there's always comes to the sex thing there's always like the way that I explain it is and I like the way that I explain it is and I like the way that I explain it is and I understand like um I have to say this understand like um I have to say this understand like um I have to say this because I don't advocate for what I do because I don't advocate for what I do because I don't advocate for what I do for everybody or what she does for for everybody or what she does for for everybody or what she does for everybody because obviously there's a everybody because obviously there's a everybody because obviously there's a whole bunch of natural feelings of whole bunch of natural feelings of whole bunch of natural feelings of jealousy that pop up for a lot of people jealousy that pop up for a lot of people jealousy that pop up for a lot of people um but when people ask me you know it's um but when people ask me you know it's um but when people ask me you know it's always like oh like isn't this like always like oh like isn't this like always like oh like isn't this like horrible that you guys are doing this horrible that you guys are doing this horrible that you guys are doing this and you don't love each other um from my and you don't love each other um from my and you don't love each other um from my perspective I can have sex with like any perspective I can have sex with like any perspective I can have sex with like any person and it can be sex like that's not person and it can be sex like that's not person and it can be sex like that's not like a special thing between two people like a special thing between two people like a special thing between two people in my eyes it's like anybody can have in my eyes it's like anybody can have in my eyes it's like anybody can have sex but there are like certain sex but there are like certain sex but there are like certain activities and ways you can spend time activities and ways you can spend time activities and ways you can spend time with each other where you're like with each other where you're like with each other where you're like carving out these like precious little carving out these like precious little carving out these like precious little moments in time with a certain person moments in time with a certain person moments in time with a certain person that can do things that are special to that can do things that are special to that can do things that are special to that person and those are the kind of that person and those are the kind of that person and those are the kind of like events that I remember more than like events that I remember more than like events that I remember more than anything else so like the idea of like

anything else so like the idea of like anything else so like the idea of like like oh wow I had sex with a person that like oh wow I had sex with a person that like oh wow I had sex with a person that was so special doesn't mean as much as was so special doesn't mean as much as was so special doesn't mean as much as like you know us traveling to like New like you know us traveling to like New like you know us traveling to like New Zealand or sharing some special moment Zealand or sharing some special moment Zealand or sharing some special moment doing like some really fun activity or doing like some really fun activity or doing like some really fun activity or event or whatever that's usually how I event or whatever that's usually how I event or whatever that's usually how I like at it yeah so a shared intimate like at it yeah so a shared intimate like at it yeah so a shared intimate moment yeah I kind of agree but I can moment yeah I kind of agree but I can moment yeah I kind of agree but I can definitely connect the romance with sex definitely connect the romance with sex definitely connect the romance with sex boring I'm curious she's a woman see boring I'm curious she's a woman see boring I'm curious she's a woman see that's where the red pills right exactly that's where the red pills right exactly that's where the red pills right exactly we also talked about misogyny which is we also talked about misogyny which is we also talked about misogyny which is you're clearly the embodiment of that you're clearly the embodiment of that you're clearly the embodiment of that what were you saying so there's some what were you saying so there's some what were you saying so there's some there's a connection between romance and there's a connection between romance and there's a connection between romance and yeah I think it is because I think sex yeah I think it is because I think sex yeah I think it is because I think sex could be a lot of things right it's it's could be a lot of things right it's it's could be a lot of things right it's it's some sort of bonding I'd say in some way some sort of bonding I'd say in some way some sort of bonding I'd say in some way they say that you really like BDSM you they say that you really like BDSM you they say that you really like BDSM you can of like you become submissive to can of like you become submissive to can of like you become submissive to someone or you take control over someone someone or you take control over someone someone or you take control over someone it's like a very bonding like intimate it's like a very bonding like intimate it's like a very bonding like intimate um moment I'd say and that's romantic um moment I'd say and that's romantic um moment I'd say and that's romantic the intimacy is romantic I I think it is the intimacy is romantic I I think it is the intimacy is romantic I I think it is if you can show yourself as really if you can show yourself as really if you can show yourself as really submissive or like weak or you have like submissive or like weak or you have like submissive or like weak or you have like absolutely no control over yourself and absolutely no control over yourself and absolutely no control over yourself and you let someone else do it or you are you let someone else do it or you are you let someone else do it or you are the one being that like you are the the one being that like you are the the one being that like you are the dominant for someone I think that's a dominant for someone I think that's a dominant for someone I think that's a really like intimate thing cuz you show really like intimate thing cuz you show really like intimate thing cuz you show like the weakest Part of Yourself kind like the weakest Part of Yourself kind like the weakest Part of Yourself kind of I just feel like I of I just feel like I of I just feel like I personally to me some component romantic personally to me some component romantic personally to me some component romantic but to me this is not judging to others but to me this is not judging to others but to me this is not judging to others to Me Maybe as call is brought to Me Maybe as call is brought to Me Maybe as call is brought up the romance increases if the number up the romance increases if the number up the romance increases if the number of intimate interactions are limited to of intimate interactions are limited to of intimate interactions are limited to one person like for me for some reason one person like for me for some reason one person like for me for some reason spreading it spreading it spreading it out

out out decreases like um exponentially the the decreases like um exponentially the the decreases like um exponentially the the feeling of romance you feel but that I feeling of romance you feel but that I feeling of romance you feel but that I don't know what that could be just like don't know what that could be just like don't know what that could be just like sort of having grown up in the Soviet sort of having grown up in the Soviet sort of having grown up in the Soviet Union there's a kind of there's the Union there's a kind of there's the Union there's a kind of there's the fairy tale stories and you're kind of fairy tale stories and you're kind of fairy tale stories and you're kind of maybe living through them yeah I mean I maybe living through them yeah I mean I maybe living through them yeah I mean I think what you're saying is like really think what you're saying is like really think what you're saying is like really normal like most people probably feel normal like most people probably feel normal like most people probably feel that way yeah but but because you guys that way yeah but but because you guys that way yeah but but because you guys are able to successfully not do that I are able to successfully not do that I are able to successfully not do that I just want to question my own just want to question my own just want to question my own understanding of it you know like like understanding of it you know like like understanding of it you know like like why is that why is that why am I being why is that why is that why am I being why is that why is that why am I being very um jealous for no reason like maybe very um jealous for no reason like maybe very um jealous for no reason like maybe you can maximize the number of intimate you can maximize the number of intimate you can maximize the number of intimate experiences if you just open up and let experiences if you just open up and let experiences if you just open up and let go of jealousy essentially I think I go of jealousy essentially I think I go of jealousy essentially I think I feel like in Sweden like in Scandinavia feel like in Sweden like in Scandinavia feel like in Sweden like in Scandinavia we're extremely just sexually open like we're extremely just sexually open like we're extremely just sexually open like in general we we're not like super in general we we're not like super in general we we're not like super religious either we're very like relaxed religious either we're very like relaxed religious either we're very like relaxed we don't like we don't feel bad about we don't like we don't feel bad about we don't like we don't feel bad about our like it's just like a different sort our like it's just like a different sort our like it's just like a different sort of thing and I would say like it's we're of thing and I would say like it's we're of thing and I would say like it's we're more Progressive when it comes to more Progressive when it comes to more Progressive when it comes to feminism and stuff so it's more common feminism and stuff so it's more common feminism and stuff so it's more common that you will meet women with a higher that you will meet women with a higher that you will meet women with a higher body count than like when I meet like body count than like when I meet like body count than like when I meet like American Girls all of them have like American Girls all of them have like American Girls all of them have like vagous smell like super suppressed like vagous smell like super suppressed like vagous smell like super suppressed like sexually and they have like what what sexually and they have like what what sexually and they have like what what did you just use they have like issues did you just use they have like issues did you just use they have like issues to like they can't relax during sex it to like they can't relax during sex it to like they can't relax during sex it just hurts for them really nervous just hurts for them really nervous just hurts for them really nervous vaginis is that what it's called yeah um vaginis is that what it's called yeah um vaginis is that what it's called yeah um so like I meet so many girls that are so like I meet so many girls that are so like I meet so many girls that are having like a lot of issues with sex and having like a lot of issues with sex and having like a lot of issues with sex and they have like a very low body count they have like a very low body count they have like a very low body count because they just can't relax or they because they just can't relax or they because they just can't relax or they yeah and it's proba and usually they yeah and it's proba and usually they yeah and it's proba and usually they come from like a very religious come from like a very religious come from like a very religious background um so they have just been background um so they have just been background um so they have just been told like you cannot wear that you told like you cannot wear that you told like you cannot wear that you cannot be like that you can't like you

cannot be like that you can't like you cannot be like that you can't like you know and like where I grw up it wasn't know and like where I grw up it wasn't know and like where I grw up it wasn't like that at all we just see it as more like that at all we just see it as more like that at all we just see it as more like a casual thing so then you can just like a casual thing so then you can just like a casual thing so then you can just maximize the awesomeness of the maximize the awesomeness of the maximize the awesomeness of the experience have exactly I think the experience have exactly I think the experience have exactly I think the important thing I think for everybody to important thing I think for everybody to important thing I think for everybody to realize is there's always pros and cons realize is there's always pros and cons realize is there's always pros and cons to everything like my lifestyle like to everything like my lifestyle like to everything like my lifestyle like obviously I get they have a lot of fun obviously I get they have a lot of fun obviously I get they have a lot of fun experiences that's like a huge Pro and experiences that's like a huge Pro and experiences that's like a huge Pro and that's super cool and if you're like a that's super cool and if you're like a that's super cool and if you're like a more monogamy brained person you're not more monogamy brained person you're not more monogamy brained person you're not going to get those experiences but if going to get those experiences but if going to get those experiences but if you're a monogamy brain person like when you're a monogamy brain person like when you're a monogamy brain person like when you're sharing that special moment in you're sharing that special moment in you're sharing that special moment in time with somebody else like that moment time with somebody else like that moment time with somebody else like that moment could be really really really special could be really really really special could be really really really special because now it's the thing that you're because now it's the thing that you're because now it's the thing that you're showing yourself and opening yourself up showing yourself and opening yourself up showing yourself and opening yourself up to another person and they're only to another person and they're only to another person and they're only trusting you to do that and that's like trusting you to do that and that's like trusting you to do that and that's like a really special thing that only the two a really special thing that only the two a really special thing that only the two of you are sharing with each other so I of you are sharing with each other so I of you are sharing with each other so I mean like there's always like pros and mean like there's always like pros and mean like there's always like pros and cons to everything like I think we both cons to everything like I think we both cons to everything like I think we both would say like like doing open would say like like doing open would say like like doing open relationship is probably not like we relationship is probably not like we relationship is probably not like we would not recommend it think we would no would not recommend it think we would no would not recommend it think we would no yeah I recently fasted for 3 days and yeah I recently fasted for 3 days and yeah I recently fasted for 3 days and then ate a chicken breast at the end of then ate a chicken breast at the end of then ate a chicken breast at the end of that and it was like the most delicious that and it was like the most delicious that and it was like the most delicious food I've ever eaten true so like food I've ever eaten true so like food I've ever eaten true so like there's some aspect of fasting and there's some aspect of fasting and there's some aspect of fasting and scarcity and so on that like and you scarcity and so on that like and you scarcity and so on that like and you have to figure out what for your own have to figure out what for your own have to figure out what for your own psyche what works the best it's good to psyche what works the best it's good to psyche what works the best it's good to be a little bored or like not do be a little bored or like not do be a little bored or like not do something or like work because you can something or like work because you can something or like work because you can just enjoy the time when you're doing just enjoy the time when you're doing just enjoy the time when you're doing something really fun is more fun something really fun is more fun something really fun is more fun otherwise you're just going to get numb otherwise you're just going to get numb otherwise you're just going to get numb in general with everything yeah yeah I in general with everything yeah yeah I in general with everything yeah yeah I personally just never get bored like I personally just never get bored like I personally just never get bored like I guess the boring thing is exciting to me guess the boring thing is exciting to me guess the boring thing is exciting to me the just like you're like me everything the just like you're like me everything the just like you're like me everything I like is boring I got to ask you we I like is boring I got to ask you we I like is boring I got to ask you we talked about misogyny in the in the he's talked about misogyny in the in the he's talked about misogyny in the in the he's trying to battle it out on the internet

trying to battle it out on the internet trying to battle it out on the internet what's what's your what's your sense as what's what's your what's your sense as what's what's your what's your sense as a woman about the level of massaging and a woman about the level of massaging and a woman about the level of massaging and the internet and the streaming community the internet and the streaming community the internet and the streaming community and how to fight it for me cuz I get I I and how to fight it for me cuz I get I I and how to fight it for me cuz I get I I guess I get it every single day somehow guess I get it every single day somehow guess I get it every single day somehow like because I have an online like I like because I have an online like I like because I have an online like I have a chat that go that's live right have a chat that go that's live right have a chat that go that's live right and um but I have like mods moderating and um but I have like mods moderating and um but I have like mods moderating that all the time so I don't really need that all the time so I don't really need that all the time so I don't really need to see much of it I think it's just to see much of it I think it's just to see much of it I think it's just pretty annoying because you get to like pretty annoying because you get to like pretty annoying because you get to like see it all the time um does become like see it all the time um does become like see it all the time um does become like background noise yeah a little bit and background noise yeah a little bit and background noise yeah a little bit and it's like the same coms over and over it's like the same coms over and over it's like the same coms over and over again but it's usually for me I don't again but it's usually for me I don't again but it's usually for me I don't personally care that much I understand personally care that much I understand personally care that much I understand that other people do especially when it that other people do especially when it that other people do especially when it comes into like when there's like a lot comes into like when there's like a lot comes into like when there's like a lot of sexism and stuff and um when there's of sexism and stuff and um when there's of sexism and stuff and um when there's a lot of like men not taking women a lot of like men not taking women a lot of like men not taking women seriously like I I definitely get that seriously like I I definitely get that seriously like I I definitely get that and I used to get that even more like a and I used to get that even more like a and I used to get that even more like a few years ago uh with my accent and few years ago uh with my accent and few years ago uh with my accent and everything and like I used to be blonde everything and like I used to be blonde everything and like I used to be blonde as well like a few months ago so I feel as well like a few months ago so I feel as well like a few months ago so I feel like people wouldn't take me seriously like people wouldn't take me seriously like people wouldn't take me seriously because of that uh that's a bit annoying because of that uh that's a bit annoying because of that uh that's a bit annoying but I I feel like it's pretty easy to but I I feel like it's pretty easy to but I I feel like it's pretty easy to like see through when someone acts that like see through when someone acts that like see through when someone acts that way and for me personally I don't really way and for me personally I don't really way and for me personally I don't really care but um it's a bit annoying like care but um it's a bit annoying like care but um it's a bit annoying like being online and like getting stuff being online and like getting stuff being online and like getting stuff every single day uh I would say like the every single day uh I would say like the every single day uh I would say like the probably the worst thing is when you probably the worst thing is when you probably the worst thing is when you feel like you put in a lot of effort feel like you put in a lot of effort feel like you put in a lot of effort into some sort of work everyone is just into some sort of work everyone is just into some sort of work everyone is just going to say you just got that because going to say you just got that because going to say you just got that because you're a woman and you're attractive and you're a woman and you're attractive and you're a woman and you're attractive and that's that's probably like the worst that's that's probably like the worst that's that's probably like the worst thing is there a way to fight that you thing is there a way to fight that you thing is there a way to fight that you think yeah I don't think you can I think think yeah I don't think you can I think think yeah I don't think you can I think it just comes up all the time it's just it just comes up all the time it's just it just comes up all the time it's just like it is what it is I guess you just like it is what it is I guess you just like it is what it is I guess you just got to keep doing whatever you do and got to keep doing whatever you do and got to keep doing whatever you do and like not let it like emotionally control like not let it like emotionally control like not let it like emotionally control you somehow I think having more women in

you somehow I think having more women in you somehow I think having more women in those spes is always good it's probably those spes is always good it's probably those spes is always good it's probably good yeah like a lot of the guys you can good yeah like a lot of the guys you can good yeah like a lot of the guys you can tell online they don't don't bring on tell online they don't don't bring on tell online they don't don't bring on the worst ones then she being see she the worst ones then she being see she the worst ones then she being see she just did it she did the massage anything just did it she did the massage anything just did it she did the massage anything by having some bad women on she's saying by having some bad women on she's saying by having some bad women on she's saying all women see well you you know it's all women see well you you know it's all women see well you you know it's true true true right see but I I disagree with you and right see but I I disagree with you and right see but I I disagree with you and I'm older than both of you and therefore I'm older than both of you and therefore I'm older than both of you and therefore wiser right so well combin we're older wiser right so well combin we're older wiser right so well combin we're older than you careful one matomy yeah we've than you careful one matomy yeah we've than you careful one matomy yeah we've got combined age or it could be it could got combined age or it could be it could got combined age or it could be it could be the same thing as like also the age be the same thing as like also the age be the same thing as like also the age thing and like the woman thing a lot of thing and like the woman thing a lot of thing and like the woman thing a lot of people think that I'm just copying every people think that I'm just copying every people think that I'm just copying every single thing that he says which I think single thing that he says which I think single thing that he says which I think is a bit annoying as well so I can never is a bit annoying as well so I can never is a bit annoying as well so I can never really like Han Sonic us her of that one really like Han Sonic us her of that one really like Han Sonic us her of that one yeah which is been Anno so much you know yeah which is been Anno so much you know yeah which is been Anno so much you know uh it was about the defunding police uh it was about the defunding police uh it was about the defunding police like my dad a c friendship camarad like my dad a c friendship camarad like my dad a c friendship camarad and love and respect which you uh both and love and respect which you uh both and love and respect which you uh both have had for a time and have lost it and have had for a time and have lost it and have had for a time and have lost it and I would like you to regain it that's try I would like you to regain it that's try I would like you to regain it that's try to increase not decrease the amount of to increase not decrease the amount of to increase not decrease the amount of love in the space what do you think love in the space what do you think love in the space what do you think about some of the harshness of this of about some of the harshness of this of about some of the harshness of this of his language which we talked about uh his language which we talked about uh his language which we talked about uh our word in the past when he used nword our word in the past when he used nword our word in the past when he used nword all of that kind of stuff when he what all of that kind of stuff when he what all of that kind of stuff when he what he used to do I mean no like what do you he used to do I mean no like what do you he used to do I mean no like what do you think about it like do you give them think about it like do you give them think about it like do you give them advice to not speak a certain way no advice to not speak a certain way no advice to not speak a certain way no like a little more civility I'm just like a little more civility I'm just like a little more civility I'm just trying to get a second opinion on this trying to get a second opinion on this trying to get a second opinion on this second opinion about Normy people not second opinion about Normy people not second opinion about Normy people not internet people are way more extreme internet people are way more extreme internet people are way more extreme than yeah she's way more extreme no than yeah she's way more extreme no than yeah she's way more extreme no that's not true okay so okay so here's that's not true okay so okay so here's that's not true okay so okay so here's the thing for me okay I was not online the thing for me okay I was not online the thing for me okay I was not online until 3 years ago at all like I would until 3 years ago at all like I would until 3 years ago at all like I would watch YouTube that's pretty much all I

watch YouTube that's pretty much all I watch YouTube that's pretty much all I would do I wouldn't do anything else would do I wouldn't do anything else would do I wouldn't do anything else really I didn't grew up playing video really I didn't grew up playing video really I didn't grew up playing video games or anything so I'm like extremely games or anything so I'm like extremely games or anything so I'm like extremely new to everything um so when I came into new to everything um so when I came into new to everything um so when I came into this world and I started seeing clips this world and I started seeing clips this world and I started seeing clips from him in the past I don't think I from him in the past I don't think I from him in the past I don't think I really had much of an opinion because it really had much of an opinion because it really had much of an opinion because it just sounded like it was just a just sounded like it was just a just sounded like it was just a different like Words St using but it different like Words St using but it different like Words St using but it didn't mean anything that's what it didn't mean anything that's what it didn't mean anything that's what it feels it was just like if you're saying feels it was just like if you're saying feels it was just like if you're saying the r word it's because you're just want the r word it's because you're just want the r word it's because you're just want to call someone stupid but you want to to call someone stupid but you want to to call someone stupid but you want to like do it a little bit more like but like do it a little bit more like but like do it a little bit more like but it's not like it didn't feel like it was it's not like it didn't feel like it was it's not like it didn't feel like it was like a it's not like racism more like like a it's not like racism more like like a it's not like racism more like you know it's not agreement on this side you know it's not agreement on this side you know it's not agreement on this side here so like if he was saying the f word here so like if he was saying the f word here so like if he was saying the f word because it was just like a word to like because it was just like a word to like because it was just like a word to like insult someone and he wasn't like I insult someone and he wasn't like I insult someone and he wasn't like I don't think he was ever I don't think don't think he was ever I don't think don't think he was ever I don't think you were ever homophobic back in the day you were ever homophobic back in the day you were ever homophobic back in the day or anything like that but I think it was or anything like that but I think it was or anything like that but I think it was just like a way to express yourself just like a way to express yourself just like a way to express yourself maybe back then I don't know I didn't do maybe back then I don't know I didn't do maybe back then I don't know I didn't do it there's no videos of me or anything it there's no videos of me or anything it there's no videos of me or anything CU I wasn't even online back then but so CU I wasn't even online back then but so CU I wasn't even online back then but so my case was I I definitely don't think my case was I I definitely don't think my case was I I definitely don't think Stephen is homophobic or race or any of Stephen is homophobic or race or any of Stephen is homophobic or race or any of those obviously so there's a good heart those obviously so there's a good heart those obviously so there's a good heart there and a good mind I was just saying there and a good mind I was just saying there and a good mind I was just saying he just likes being mean I think well he just likes being mean I think well he just likes being mean I think well there is some you lose yourself and there is some you lose yourself and there is some you lose yourself and forget the bigger picture that he's forget the bigger picture that he's forget the bigger picture that he's pushing for more effective discourse on pushing for more effective discourse on pushing for more effective discourse on the internet he's like an inspiration to the internet he's like an inspiration to the internet he's like an inspiration to a lot of people especially now of like a lot of people especially now of like a lot of people especially now of like how you can use effective conversation how you can use effective conversation how you can use effective conversation to make for a better world to Der to make for a better world to Der to make for a better world to Der radicalize people and so on and then you radicalize people and so on and then you radicalize people and so on and then you lose some of that power by losing lose some of that power by losing lose some of that power by losing yourself in in like the language just yourself in in like the language just yourself in in like the language just more language of emotion versus more language of emotion versus more language of emotion versus effective communication but it's a gray effective communication but it's a gray effective communication but it's a gray area I would say like something that is

area I would say like something that is area I would say like something that is probably recently done in that case probably recently done in that case probably recently done in that case because he been joking about women a lot because he been joking about women a lot because he been joking about women a lot like it's women's fault they're bad like like it's women's fault they're bad like like it's women's fault they're bad like it's just it's been like a lot of jokes it's just it's been like a lot of jokes it's just it's been like a lot of jokes when it comes to misogyny I guess in when it comes to misogyny I guess in when it comes to misogyny I guess in your community and I think it's actually your community and I think it's actually your community and I think it's actually turned people a little bit that way turned people a little bit that way turned people a little bit that way that's why we've done the recent M yes that's why we've done the recent M yes that's why we've done the recent M yes so that I guess that's actually true so that I guess that's actually true so that I guess that's actually true because I don't think it was pretty I because I don't think it was pretty I because I don't think it was pretty I don't think it was clear enough I don't don't think it was clear enough I don't don't think it was clear enough I don't think it actually was I think you did think it actually was I think you did think it actually was I think you did that mistake um but I think back then I that mistake um but I think back then I that mistake um but I think back then I was even saying like hey you should was even saying like hey you should was even saying like hey you should probably not like you Pro you probably probably not like you Pro you probably probably not like you Pro you probably should not do that CU it actually is should not do that CU it actually is should not do that CU it actually is pretty hard for me because whenever I pretty hard for me because whenever I pretty hard for me because whenever I come into His commuter like his chat come into His commuter like his chat come into His commuter like his chat people are just going to spam it's like people are just going to spam it's like people are just going to spam it's like a woman moment it's a woman moment a woman moment it's a woman moment a woman moment it's a woman moment whenever I say something and it's kind whenever I say something and it's kind whenever I say something and it's kind of like yeah it's getting pretty of like yeah it's getting pretty of like yeah it's getting pretty annoying as I said it's just annoying annoying as I said it's just annoying annoying as I said it's just annoying when you see it every single day mhm when you see it every single day mhm when you see it every single day mhm yeah there you go yeah there you go yeah there you go uh wisdom from somebody younger than you uh wisdom from somebody younger than you uh wisdom from somebody younger than you wow wisdom can come from all kind people wow wisdom can come from all kind people wow wisdom can come from all kind people yeah of course just sometimes very yeah of course just sometimes very yeah of course just sometimes very limited quantities depends on the age limited quantities depends on the age limited quantities depends on the age boy uh learn something from anybody what boy uh learn something from anybody what boy uh learn something from anybody what advice would you give to uh young people advice would you give to uh young people advice would you give to uh young people the both of you that you have both the both of you that you have both the both of you that you have both audiences where young people look up to audiences where young people look up to audiences where young people look up to you in general if you were to give you in general if you were to give you in general if you were to give advice to somebody in high school like advice to somebody in high school like advice to somebody in high school like how how how to create a life that can be proud of to create a life that can be proud of to create a life that can be proud of what would you what would you what would you say the most important thing that I I've say the most important thing that I I've say the most important thing that I I've learned is to view people as different learned is to view people as different learned is to view people as different and not better or worse and when you and not better or worse and when you and not better or worse and when you view people as different instead of view people as different instead of view people as different instead of better or worse you learn that there's better or worse you learn that there's better or worse you learn that there's almost something that you can learn from almost something that you can learn from almost something that you can learn from anybody uh like be open and empathetic anybody uh like be open and empathetic anybody uh like be open and empathetic towards other people's experiences towards other people's experiences towards other people's experiences nobody does anything by random Choice nobody does anything by random Choice nobody does anything by random Choice like there's always reasons why people like there's always reasons why people like there's always reasons why people act the way they do and as long as

act the way they do and as long as act the way they do and as long as you're willing to kind of like be open you're willing to kind of like be open you're willing to kind of like be open and receptive to the lived experiences and receptive to the lived experiences and receptive to the lived experiences of other people you're going to be able of other people you're going to be able of other people you're going to be able to gather information and create like a to gather information and create like a to gather information and create like a more cohesive and better view of the more cohesive and better view of the more cohesive and better view of the world than any of your peers will do you world than any of your peers will do you world than any of your peers will do you have any kind of advice you can give to have any kind of advice you can give to have any kind of advice you can give to Young Folks people I feel like something Young Folks people I feel like something Young Folks people I feel like something that I see especially in America a lot that I see especially in America a lot that I see especially in America a lot is that um a lot of people kind of get is that um a lot of people kind of get is that um a lot of people kind of get told what to do early on like in high told what to do early on like in high told what to do early on like in high school they're supposed to become this school they're supposed to become this school they're supposed to become this thing uh like education wise like thing uh like education wise like thing uh like education wise like they're supposed to like become a doctor they're supposed to like become a doctor they're supposed to like become a doctor or this thing or whatever and then they or this thing or whatever and then they or this thing or whatever and then they kind of just like give up on things that kind of just like give up on things that kind of just like give up on things that they're actually passionate about so I they're actually passionate about so I they're actually passionate about so I think a lot of teenagers get really think a lot of teenagers get really think a lot of teenagers get really confused they get an education and then confused they get an education and then confused they get an education and then they get that job and they hate they get that job and they hate they get that job and they hate everything and they think that when everything and they think that when everything and they think that when they're when they're reaching the job they're when they're reaching the job they're when they're reaching the job when they're reaching like the journey when they're reaching like the journey when they're reaching like the journey they're going to get that's like where they're going to get that's like where they're going to get that's like where the happiness is going to be but then the happiness is going to be but then the happiness is going to be but then when they get to there they just hate when they get to there they just hate when they get to there they just hate everything and then they become really everything and then they become really everything and then they become really depressed and I've seen this so much depressed and I've seen this so much depressed and I've seen this so much like I see this all the time and it's like I see this all the time and it's like I see this all the time and it's it's pretty sad to me to see so many it's pretty sad to me to see so many it's pretty sad to me to see so many people that are just wasting time and people that are just wasting time and people that are just wasting time and then they just get really confused and I then they just get really confused and I then they just get really confused and I don't know it's the same thing with don't know it's the same thing with don't know it's the same thing with relationships too no one really knows relationships too no one really knows relationships too no one really knows what they want anymore I feel like what they want anymore I feel like what they want anymore I feel like everyone is just kind of doing whatever everyone is just kind of doing whatever everyone is just kind of doing whatever like Society is saying or the parents like Society is saying or the parents like Society is saying or the parents are saying or their friends are saying are saying or their friends are saying are saying or their friends are saying um and they they're never really doing um and they they're never really doing um and they they're never really doing anything that's super meaningful anymore anything that's super meaningful anymore anything that's super meaningful anymore and like they don't so what I would say and like they don't so what I would say and like they don't so what I would say is like try to find something that are is like try to find something that are is like try to find something that are that's that is important to you it could that's that is important to you it could that's that is important to you it could be anything really like some sort of be anything really like some sort of be anything really like some sort of passion maybe like your friends maybe passion maybe like your friends maybe passion maybe like your friends maybe like like what matters to you like like like what matters to you like like like what matters to you like figuring those things out I think is figuring those things out I think is figuring those things out I think is really important and that comes from really important and that comes from really important and that comes from being able to listen to like some inner being able to listen to like some inner being able to listen to like some inner voice so it's not come from elsewhere voice so it's not come from elsewhere voice so it's not come from elsewhere it's really hard because you're living

it's really hard because you're living it's really hard because you're living the life and like there's things the life and like there's things the life and like there's things happening around you and people tell you happening around you and people tell you happening around you and people tell you what to do and what not to do and you what to do and what not to do and you what to do and what not to do and you know no one really has like their own know no one really has like their own know no one really has like their own opinions everyone is just kind of like opinions everyone is just kind of like opinions everyone is just kind of like listening to the the cooler thing or you listening to the the cooler thing or you listening to the the cooler thing or you know except he seems to stand on his own know except he seems to stand on his own know except he seems to stand on his own free yeah I'd say so and like like free yeah I'd say so and like like free yeah I'd say so and like like something I realized too like because we something I realized too like because we something I realized too like because we just went to twitchcon and we were just went to twitchcon and we were just went to twitchcon and we were talking to a lot of streamers was that talking to a lot of streamers was that talking to a lot of streamers was that uh it was interesting I I thought it was uh it was interesting I I thought it was uh it was interesting I I thought it was interesting because the the the few interesting because the the the few interesting because the the the few people that I feel like I that seem people that I feel like I that seem people that I feel like I that seem really cool and that I look up to like really cool and that I look up to like really cool and that I look up to like in the streaming world all of them wants in the streaming world all of them wants in the streaming world all of them wants to quit streaming all of them wants to to quit streaming all of them wants to to quit streaming all of them wants to do it no one wants like no one likes it do it no one wants like no one likes it do it no one wants like no one likes it and they're so successful like they are and they're so successful like they are and they're so successful like they are around successful people they they're around successful people they they're around successful people they they're working every single day they're working working every single day they're working working every single day they're working hard they're making so much money and hard they're making so much money and hard they're making so much money and everyone is just complaining and like everyone is just complaining and like everyone is just complaining and like they're complaining about um like not they're complaining about um like not they're complaining about um like not being able to see their uh partner or being able to see their uh partner or being able to see their uh partner or you know because they need to live you know because they need to live you know because they need to live somewhere else and I see these things somewhere else and I see these things somewhere else and I see these things and they seem extremely unhappy and but and they seem extremely unhappy and but and they seem extremely unhappy and but it's so hard for them to just like cut it's so hard for them to just like cut it's so hard for them to just like cut all this successful stuff off because all this successful stuff off because all this successful stuff off because that's like what you you know learn to that's like what you you know learn to that's like what you you know learn to do and that's like supposed to be like do and that's like supposed to be like do and that's like supposed to be like your happiness but it isn't everyone is your happiness but it isn't everyone is your happiness but it isn't everyone is really unhappy yeah there's something really unhappy yeah there's something really unhappy yeah there's something about maybe streaming is different but about maybe streaming is different but about maybe streaming is different but YouTube folks too I've interacted with a YouTube folks too I've interacted with a YouTube folks too I've interacted with a few and um even in podcasting space few and um even in podcasting space few and um even in podcasting space people become obsessed about the views people become obsessed about the views people become obsessed about the views and numbers and subscribers and stuff and numbers and subscribers and stuff and numbers and subscribers and stuff like that um so I turn I never talk like that um so I turn I never talk like that um so I turn I never talk about that I I don't pay attention to about that I I don't pay attention to about that I I don't pay attention to that uh I feel like that's a drug that

that uh I feel like that's a drug that that uh I feel like that's a drug that destroys your mind your your mind is an destroys your mind your your mind is an destroys your mind your your mind is an artist ability to create truly unique artist ability to create truly unique artist ability to create truly unique things um also your mind in terms of the things um also your mind in terms of the things um also your mind in terms of the ex the ups and downs of the attention ex the ups and downs of the attention ex the ups and downs of the attention mechanism uh and then also being just if mechanism uh and then also being just if mechanism uh and then also being just if if something that you make is not if something that you make is not if something that you make is not popular but it meant a lot to you you popular but it meant a lot to you you popular but it meant a lot to you you will think of it less yes because it's will think of it less yes because it's will think of it less yes because it's not popular that's a really dangerous not popular that's a really dangerous not popular that's a really dangerous thing and because everyone around you is thing and because everyone around you is thing and because everyone around you is reinforcing like I'll get messages like reinforcing like I'll get messages like reinforcing like I'll get messages like wow this thing got this many views or wow this thing got this many views or wow this thing got this many views or something great job it's like no you something great job it's like no you something great job it's like no you don't get it like that's not that's not don't get it like that's not that's not don't get it like that's not that's not everyone is enforcing this like this everyone is enforcing this like this everyone is enforcing this like this language of views and likes and so on language of views and likes and so on language of views and likes and so on and it's it's correlated of course cuz and it's it's correlated of course cuz and it's it's correlated of course cuz truly impactful things will get a lot of truly impactful things will get a lot of truly impactful things will get a lot of attention often but it's not on the attention often but it's not on the attention often but it's not on the individual local scale like temporally individual local scale like temporally individual local scale like temporally is it's uh it can really fuck with your is it's uh it can really fuck with your is it's uh it can really fuck with your mind and I see that in the creators they mind and I see that in the creators they mind and I see that in the creators they become um addicts to the algorithm lost become um addicts to the algorithm lost become um addicts to the algorithm lost and chasing views like we know friends and chasing views like we know friends and chasing views like we know friends that we know cool people and then they that we know cool people and then they that we know cool people and then they start streaming and eventually they start streaming and eventually they start streaming and eventually they they're like chasing the dragon of like they're like chasing the dragon of like they're like chasing the dragon of like and they change like they yeah it's like and they change like they yeah it's like and they change like they yeah it's like completely and like this is something completely and like this is something completely and like this is something I've always said that like one of the I've always said that like one of the I've always said that like one of the biggest blessings and biggest curses of biggest blessings and biggest curses of biggest blessings and biggest curses of humanity is we are very good at humanity is we are very good at humanity is we are very good at acclimating like you can become acclimating like you can become acclimating like you can become paralyzed you can have all sorts of paralyzed you can have all sorts of paralyzed you can have all sorts of horrible things happen to you and you'll horrible things happen to you and you'll horrible things happen to you and you'll get used to it and you'll be okay you're get used to it and you'll be okay you're get used to it and you'll be okay you're going have like a good Baseline but it going have like a good Baseline but it going have like a good Baseline but it works the other way too and that you can works the other way too and that you can works the other way too and that you can get more and more and more and more and

get more and more and more and more and get more and more and more and more and you acclimate to it almost immediately you acclimate to it almost immediately you acclimate to it almost immediately there's like this is a phenomenon that I there's like this is a phenomenon that I there's like this is a phenomenon that I bet it happens in the YouTube world but bet it happens in the YouTube world but bet it happens in the YouTube world but I know it happens in the streaming world I know it happens in the streaming world I know it happens in the streaming world where you're streaming 1,000 viewers where you're streaming 1,000 viewers where you're streaming 1,000 viewers every day huge event happens and you every day huge event happens and you every day huge event happens and you blow up and you got like 15,000 viewers blow up and you got like 15,000 viewers blow up and you got like 15,000 viewers for a day or two and then it starts to for a day or two and then it starts to for a day or two and then it starts to go down and down and down and down and go down and down and down and down and go down and down and down and down and down and then after all the drama start down and then after all the drama start down and then after all the drama start off you're at like 3,000 concurrent off you're at like 3,000 concurrent off you're at like 3,000 concurrent viewers now in the macro you went from viewers now in the macro you went from viewers now in the macro you went from 1,000 to 3,000 that feels awesome but 1,000 to 3,000 that feels awesome but 1,000 to 3,000 that feels awesome but you actually feel like shit the whole you actually feel like shit the whole you actually feel like shit the whole time because you're remembering when you time because you're remembering when you time because you're remembering when you had 10 or 15,000 and now Everything had 10 or 15,000 and now Everything had 10 or 15,000 and now Everything feels horrible and you'll see people feels horrible and you'll see people feels horrible and you'll see people climb over time like fuck like but climb over time like fuck like but climb over time like fuck like but whatever that one huge stream I had like whatever that one huge stream I had like whatever that one huge stream I had like I've never like been able to and it's I've never like been able to and it's I've never like been able to and it's like dude you're doing great what's yeah like dude you're doing great what's yeah like dude you're doing great what's yeah that happens a lot there's so many that happens a lot there's so many that happens a lot there's so many people that we know that we find super people that we know that we find super people that we know that we find super super cool they're passionate about super cool they're passionate about super cool they're passionate about things they have so much interest and things they have so much interest and things they have so much interest and then they just get like so addicted to then they just get like so addicted to then they just get like so addicted to these numbers and like all the these numbers and like all the these numbers and like all the everything is just ruin like all the everything is just ruin like all the everything is just ruin like all the cool things about them is ruined because cool things about them is ruined because cool things about them is ruined because they stop doing the things that they they stop doing the things that they they stop doing the things that they actually like to do something else that actually like to do something else that actually like to do something else that gives the more viewers and more money gives the more viewers and more money gives the more viewers and more money and it's it's really sad to see yeah and it's it's really sad to see yeah and it's it's really sad to see yeah that that temporary sacrifice that seems that that temporary sacrifice that seems that that temporary sacrifice that seems temporary is that it um it actually temporary is that it um it actually temporary is that it um it actually destroys you like for one time making a destroys you like for one time making a destroys you like for one time making a choice because I I come across those choice because I I come across those choice because I I come across those choices often like I could do this you choices often like I could do this you choices often like I could do this you can kind of know what's going to be can kind of know what's going to be can kind of know what's going to be popular and not and you have to ask popular and not and you have to ask popular and not and you have to ask yourself the question like is this going yourself the question like is this going yourself the question like is this going to sacrifice because if people are to sacrifice because if people are to sacrifice because if people are sacrificing like intimate relationships sacrificing like intimate relationships sacrificing like intimate relationships they're sacrificing time with their they're sacrificing time with their they're sacrificing time with their family they're sacri like sacrificing family they're sacri like sacrificing family they're sacri like sacrificing time with things that they feel good time with things that they feel good time with things that they feel good about and that they like and that's about and that they like and that's about and that they like and that's something I kind of realized last year something I kind of realized last year something I kind of realized last year cuz I was working so much and I was just cuz I was working so much and I was just cuz I was working so much and I was just grinding grinding grinding because

grinding grinding grinding because grinding grinding grinding because because it was kind of new for me and because it was kind of new for me and because it was kind of new for me and then New Year came by and I was like then New Year came by and I was like then New Year came by and I was like wait what did I even do like the entire wait what did I even do like the entire wait what did I even do like the entire year like I traveled to a bunch of year like I traveled to a bunch of year like I traveled to a bunch of places but nothing actually really meant places but nothing actually really meant places but nothing actually really meant anything to me because I felt like I was anything to me because I felt like I was anything to me because I felt like I was just working the entire time I felt like just working the entire time I felt like just working the entire time I felt like I was just numb through the through the I was just numb through the through the I was just numb through the through the entire year and I was really scary um entire year and I was really scary um entire year and I was really scary um like I rented um like a super pretty like I rented um like a super pretty like I rented um like a super pretty house like for a week with my dad and my house like for a week with my dad and my house like for a week with my dad and my sister cuz I wanted to spend time with sister cuz I wanted to spend time with sister cuz I wanted to spend time with them but the entire time I was just them but the entire time I was just them but the entire time I was just streaming and I actually didn't ever streaming and I actually didn't ever streaming and I actually didn't ever like calm down and just like chill with like calm down and just like chill with like calm down and just like chill with them and I like that's like time I'll them and I like that's like time I'll them and I like that's like time I'll will never get back I don't I don't give will never get back I don't I don't give will never get back I don't I don't give a shit about the money that I made that a shit about the money that I made that a shit about the money that I made that week but I lost the time and like that week but I lost the time and like that week but I lost the time and like that is really important to me and yeah and a is really important to me and yeah and a is really important to me and yeah and a lot of people are doing that um and I lot of people are doing that um and I lot of people are doing that um and I feel like you as you said like you can feel like you as you said like you can feel like you as you said like you can definitely see that in like artists for definitely see that in like artists for definitely see that in like artists for sure I feel like if if you look at like sure I feel like if if you look at like sure I feel like if if you look at like artists like back in the 60s or 70s I artists like back in the 60s or 70s I artists like back in the 60s or 70s I feel like things were just so much feel like things were just so much feel like things were just so much better back then and it feels like they better back then and it feels like they better back then and it feels like they were actually making music that meant were actually making music that meant were actually making music that meant something to them they were actually something to them they were actually something to them they were actually making art and I feel like today making art and I feel like today making art and I feel like today everything is just kind of like whatever everything is just kind of like whatever everything is just kind of like whatever is cool whatever sells whatever you know is cool whatever sells whatever you know is cool whatever sells whatever you know sounds in a certain way everything is sounds in a certain way everything is sounds in a certain way everything is kind of the same thing and everything kind of the same thing and everything kind of the same thing and everything that is very artistic and very cool is that is very artistic and very cool is that is very artistic and very cool is is actually not that popular at all and is actually not that popular at all and is actually not that popular at all and uh that's kind of sad I think yeah of uh that's kind of sad I think yeah of uh that's kind of sad I think yeah of course there's now bigger mechanisms and course there's now bigger mechanisms and course there's now bigger mechanisms and platforms to spread stuff music so as platforms to spread stuff music so as platforms to spread stuff music so as long as you can be content with not long as you can be content with not long as you can be content with not being popular I think you can still being popular I think you can still being popular I think you can still create art yeah but not like when people create art yeah but not like when people create art yeah but not like when people get a little popular they get addicted get a little popular they get addicted get a little popular they get addicted to that so fast yeah it's weird yeah you to that so fast yeah it's weird yeah you to that so fast yeah it's weird yeah you have been somewhat good at least from my

have been somewhat good at least from my have been somewhat good at least from my Outsider perspective because I think you Outsider perspective because I think you Outsider perspective because I think you I can at least imagine you making I can at least imagine you making I can at least imagine you making choices that could make you more popular choices that could make you more popular choices that could make you more popular and you don't seem to make those and you don't seem to make those and you don't seem to make those choices sabotage my career like playing choices sabotage my career like playing choices sabotage my career like playing Le but it's it is very intentional like Le but it's it is very intentional like Le but it's it is very intentional like you said like and I made that choice at you said like and I made that choice at you said like and I made that choice at every single stage of My Life One is every single stage of My Life One is every single stage of My Life One is because from the perspective of being a because from the perspective of being a because from the perspective of being a carpet cleaner my life is way better carpet cleaner my life is way better carpet cleaner my life is way better than that was or ever would have been so than that was or ever would have been so than that was or ever would have been so I'm already doing way better than I ever I'm already doing way better than I ever I'm already doing way better than I ever thought somebody like me ever could be thought somebody like me ever could be thought somebody like me ever could be um but then two I super love my job um but then two I super love my job um but then two I super love my job every time I wake up every time I fly to every time I wake up every time I fly to every time I wake up every time I fly to a place do a podcast every time I get to a place do a podcast every time I get to a place do a podcast every time I get to talk to really cool people like every talk to really cool people like every talk to really cool people like every single part of my job I super like if single part of my job I super like if single part of my job I super like if there's something I don't like I just there's something I don't like I just there's something I don't like I just cut it off because I don't care cuz I'm cut it off because I don't care cuz I'm cut it off because I don't care cuz I'm already making plenty of money doing already making plenty of money doing already making plenty of money doing what I do and why would I ever wake up what I do and why would I ever wake up what I do and why would I ever wake up and not like what I'm doing when I can and not like what I'm doing when I can and not like what I'm doing when I can like what I'm doing how do you guys find like what I'm doing how do you guys find like what I'm doing how do you guys find through that given that you love it and through that given that you love it and through that given that you love it and sometimes maybe lose yourself in the sometimes maybe lose yourself in the sometimes maybe lose yourself in the drug of it how do you find like work drug of it how do you find like work drug of it how do you find like work life balance together inside of life balance together inside of life balance together inside of relationship like time for each other I relationship like time for each other I relationship like time for each other I don't at all so I'm not a good person to don't at all so I'm not a good person to don't at all so I'm not a good person to ask what do you love more uh Mel or ask what do you love more uh Mel or ask what do you love more uh Mel or effect factor factor is a really good effect factor factor is a really good effect factor factor is a really good game that's like not a fair comparison game that's like not a fair comparison game that's like not a fair comparison okay you're talking about one of the okay you're talking about one of the okay you're talking about one of the best cleanest games games best support best cleanest games games best support best cleanest games games best support ever made cleanest code base ever made cleanest code base ever made cleanest code base like it's more factorial time for like it's more factorial time for like it's more factorial time for me starting to understand where the me starting to understand where the me starting to understand where the massaging comes from by the way is is massaging comes from by the way is is massaging comes from by the way is is the uh is Vector legit a really good the uh is Vector legit a really good the uh is Vector legit a really good game yeah of course yeah Co if you're game yeah of course yeah Co if you're game yeah of course yeah Co if you're like a do you enjoy programming of like a do you enjoy programming of like a do you enjoy programming of course that's all I do that's all that's course that's all I do that's all that's course that's all I do that's all that's okay to me programming is is a game in okay to me programming is is a game in okay to me programming is is a game in itself that I enjoy probably more than

itself that I enjoy probably more than itself that I enjoy probably more than anything else but yeah it's very much a anything else but yeah it's very much a anything else but yeah it's very much a game like that like if you're into stuff game like that like if you're into stuff game like that like if you're into stuff like that like you can lose hundreds of like that like you can lose hundreds of like that like you can lose hundreds of hours like very quickly to hours like very quickly to hours like very quickly to like you have a problem and then you like you have a problem and then you like you have a problem and then you think of a solution and then you iterate think of a solution and then you iterate think of a solution and then you iterate on that over and over and over again in on that over and over and over again in on that over and over and over again in larger larger schemes sometimes you got larger larger schemes sometimes you got larger larger schemes sometimes you got to redesign stuff sometimes you like to redesign stuff sometimes you like to redesign stuff sometimes you like it's a very much like that kind of game it's a very much like that kind of game it's a very much like that kind of game it's you're essentially building a it's you're essentially building a it's you're essentially building a factory like what on a foreign planet or factory like what on a foreign planet or factory like what on a foreign planet or something like that basically it's like something like that basically it's like something like that basically it's like a bunch of you're trying to automate a bunch of you're trying to automate a bunch of you're trying to automate different problems so that you can build different problems so that you can build different problems so that you can build bigger things so you can automate bigger bigger things so you can automate bigger bigger things so you can automate bigger problems so you can build bigger things problems so you can build bigger things problems so you can build bigger things and automate bigger problems so it's and automate bigger problems so it's and automate bigger problems so it's more complicated than like a city more complicated than like a city more complicated than like a city building game like some City type of building game like some City type of building game like some City type of thing I wouldn't say it's more thing I wouldn't say it's more thing I wouldn't say it's more complicated it's more it's like factor complicated it's more it's like factor complicated it's more it's like factor is like a game of like logic like is like a game of like logic like is like a game of like logic like strictly like logic like almost like a strictly like logic like almost like a strictly like logic like almost like a building a circuit or something yes yeah building a circuit or something yes yeah building a circuit or something yes yeah there's like there's circuitry and there's like there's circuitry and there's like there's circuitry and you've got your ant orgs orates you like you've got your ant orgs orates you like you've got your ant orgs orates you like there's stuff like that it's very much there's stuff like that it's very much there's stuff like that it's very much like that like what are the enemies in like that like what are the enemies in like that like what are the enemies in the game like what um there are like the game like what um there are like the game like what um there are like bugs try to bite you and you can get bugs try to bite you and you can get bugs try to bite you and you can get guns and shoot and kill them but it's I guns and shoot and kill them but it's I guns and shoot and kill them but it's I saw there's like shooting going on yeah saw there's like shooting going on yeah saw there's like shooting going on yeah but that's like a m it's just like but that's like a m it's just like but that's like a m it's just like another problem to solve in the game another problem to solve in the game another problem to solve in the game basically yeah okay all right see see basically yeah okay all right see see basically yeah okay all right see see what we did there we just started what we did there we just started what we did there we just started talking about the game as we're trying talking about the game as we're trying talking about the game as we're trying oh my God that's like that's that's oh my God that's like that's that's oh my God that's like that's that's horrible anyway is there is that horrible anyway is there is that horrible anyway is there is that basically the struggle nonstop struggle basically the struggle nonstop struggle basically the struggle nonstop struggle how to get how to get how to get human like intimate human time I feel human like intimate human time I feel human like intimate human time I feel like it was like that a little bit more like it was like that a little bit more like it was like that a little bit more in the past I feel like it's been better in the past I feel like it's been better in the past I feel like it's been better lately but I think it's because um when lately but I think it's because um when lately but I think it's because um when we started dating I wasn't streaming and we started dating I wasn't streaming and we started dating I wasn't streaming and I kind of just like gave up like my trip I kind of just like gave up like my trip I kind of just like gave up like my trip in New Zealand I give up like like I in New Zealand I give up like like I in New Zealand I give up like like I left Sweden so I was just like in LA

left Sweden so I was just like in LA left Sweden so I was just like in LA which I hate I hate La I don't like La which I hate I hate La I don't like La which I hate I hate La I don't like La at all uh it's hard to make friends that at all uh it's hard to make friends that at all uh it's hard to make friends that are like real that are into the same are like real that are into the same are like real that are into the same stuff as you it's it was just really stuff as you it's it was just really stuff as you it's it was just really hard for me to connect with anyone hard for me to connect with anyone hard for me to connect with anyone especially also like being a European especially also like being a European especially also like being a European and like being around Americans was very and like being around Americans was very and like being around Americans was very strange so the only thing I had when I strange so the only thing I had when I strange so the only thing I had when I came here was him and I um and I didn't came here was him and I um and I didn't came here was him and I um and I didn't expect sit because yeah because we had expect sit because yeah because we had expect sit because yeah because we had we had like two weeks of hanging out and we had like two weeks of hanging out and we had like two weeks of hanging out and like he would be on his computer like he would be on his computer like he would be on his computer sometimes and like do emails and stuff sometimes and like do emails and stuff sometimes and like do emails and stuff but I wasn't thinking that he would but I wasn't thinking that he would but I wasn't thinking that he would stream like 12 hours a day and it was stream like 12 hours a day and it was stream like 12 hours a day and it was pretty like it was pretty intense like pretty like it was pretty intense like pretty like it was pretty intense like in the beginning of it as well and I in the beginning of it as well and I in the beginning of it as well and I realized it was really hard to like get realized it was really hard to like get realized it was really hard to like get attention or get time because he his attention or get time because he his attention or get time because he his like love meter would be like full if I like love meter would be like full if I like love meter would be like full if I was just in the house and that's just was just in the house and that's just was just in the house and that's just kind of like the way he is and for me kind of like the way he is and for me kind of like the way he is and for me back then when I didn't have anything back then when I didn't have anything back then when I didn't have anything else to do um was kind of like a it was else to do um was kind of like a it was else to do um was kind of like a it was kind of crazy uh for me I feel like kind of crazy uh for me I feel like kind of crazy uh for me I feel like right now because I do work as well and right now because I do work as well and right now because I do work as well and I have things going from for me and I I have things going from for me and I I have things going from for me and I have other friends uh now that I made I have other friends uh now that I made I have other friends uh now that I made I feel like it's a lot easier cuz and and feel like it's a lot easier cuz and and feel like it's a lot easier cuz and and I can definitely like enjoy just like I can definitely like enjoy just like I can definitely like enjoy just like being in separate rooms and just like being in separate rooms and just like being in separate rooms and just like hear him in the background is really hear him in the background is really hear him in the background is really nice I can like I can sit and paint and nice I can like I can sit and paint and nice I can like I can sit and paint and like in my room and I will do that for like in my room and I will do that for like in my room and I will do that for hours while I'm just like hearing a hours while I'm just like hearing a hours while I'm just like hearing a scream in the background it's kind of scream in the background it's kind of scream in the background it's kind of like comforting that he's he's just like comforting that he's he's just like comforting that he's he's just there it feels nice I like it oh cuz to there it feels nice I like it oh cuz to there it feels nice I like it oh cuz to you that's the sound of Happiness Happ you that's the sound of Happiness Happ you that's the sound of Happiness Happ because I know he's right there yeah because I know he's right there yeah because I know he's right there yeah it's nice and they'll come in and check it's nice and they'll come in and check it's nice and they'll come in and check on me sometimes and it's it's kind of on me sometimes and it's it's kind of on me sometimes and it's it's kind of like it's actually very comforting it's like it's actually very comforting it's like it's actually very comforting it's very nice I like it mhm yeah I think very nice I like it mhm yeah I think very nice I like it mhm yeah I think that's kind of what a relationship is that's kind of what a relationship is that's kind of what a relationship is like you do fun things together and you like you do fun things together and you like you do fun things together and you share moments together but also just share moments together but also just share moments together but also just like having someone like around you is

like having someone like around you is like having someone like around you is really really nice uh and I think that's really really nice uh and I think that's really really nice uh and I think that's probably maybe it's me growing probably maybe it's me growing probably maybe it's me growing up maybe that's what it is and like I up maybe that's what it is and like I up maybe that's what it is and like I start liking like the kind of I feel start liking like the kind of I feel start liking like the kind of I feel like we're like an old couple like we're like we're like an old couple like we're like we're like an old couple like we're like 80 and we're just like around we like 80 and we're just like around we like 80 and we're just like around we don't really have to talk much it's it's don't really have to talk much it's it's don't really have to talk much it's it's nice to just do that and that fills your nice to just do that and that fills your nice to just do that and that fills your love meter that um terminology love I love meter that um terminology love I love meter that um terminology love I need both I mean okay you you're making need both I mean okay you you're making need both I mean okay you you're making it sound like that I'm like craving like it sound like that I'm like craving like it sound like that I'm like craving like I Haven said I'm not saying anything I I Haven said I'm not saying anything I I Haven said I'm not saying anything I haven't said a single thing at all haven't said a single thing at all haven't said a single thing at all making face right I know exactly what making face right I know exactly what making face right I know exactly what you're thinking so much judging going on you're thinking so much judging going on you're thinking so much judging going on there's no judging at all um no but like there's no judging at all um no but like there's no judging at all um no but like we I think I think whenever we do plan we I think I think whenever we do plan we I think I think whenever we do plan something out like if we if we go on a something out like if we if we go on a something out like if we if we go on a trip like every other month or once a trip like every other month or once a trip like every other month or once a month uh I feel like usually like that's month uh I feel like usually like that's month uh I feel like usually like that's enough as long as he's not playing enough as long as he's not playing enough as long as he's not playing Victorio the entire time like if he if I Victorio the entire time like if he if I Victorio the entire time like if he if I feel like he's going on these trips with feel like he's going on these trips with feel like he's going on these trips with me and he's not like doing things for me me and he's not like doing things for me me and he's not like doing things for me or he's he's not interested in like or he's he's not interested in like or he's he's not interested in like spending time or like being present with spending time or like being present with spending time or like being present with me then I'll feel like I just feel like me then I'll feel like I just feel like me then I'll feel like I just feel like I'm just wasting time right now and then I'm just wasting time right now and then I'm just wasting time right now and then I get kind of disappointed but otherwise I get kind of disappointed but otherwise I get kind of disappointed but otherwise I I think this like this is fun I think I I think this like this is fun I think I I think this like this is fun I think this is like spending time together cuz this is like spending time together cuz this is like spending time together cuz we're like doing something together it's we're like doing something together it's we're like doing something together it's fun yeah my my love meter is your love fun yeah my my love meter is your love fun yeah my my love meter is your love meter is full it's my social life meter is full it's my social life meter is full it's my social life otherwise we like to we like to think otherwise we like to we like to think otherwise we like to we like to think about it that way that like I need like about it that way that like I need like about it that way that like I need like a little bit more of like this one thing a little bit more of like this one thing a little bit more of like this one thing like quality time and he needs like like quality time and he needs like like quality time and he needs like almost zero quality time but like let's almost zero quality time but like let's almost zero quality time but like let's say that I we took away like physical say that I we took away like physical say that I we took away like physical touch you would probably not be very touch you would probably not be very touch you would probably not be very happy mhm um so you need physical touch happy mhm um so you need physical touch happy mhm um so you need physical touch so it's not just Factoria huh no I'm a so it's not just Factoria huh no I'm a so it's not just Factoria huh no I'm a very cuddly person yeah like cuddly and very cuddly person yeah like cuddly and very cuddly person yeah like cuddly and then you're like I guess like acts of then you're like I guess like acts of then you're like I guess like acts of servives like if I do something for you

servives like if I do something for you servives like if I do something for you you get really happy like hot chocolate you get really happy like hot chocolate you get really happy like hot chocolate yeah like if I give him hot chocolate in yeah like if I give him hot chocolate in yeah like if I give him hot chocolate in more he gets really happy so the actual more he gets really happy so the actual more he gets really happy so the actual it's not the hot chocolate it's the it's not the hot chocolate it's the it's not the hot chocolate it's the giving of the hot chocolate no it's just giving of the hot chocolate no it's just giving of the hot chocolate no it's just the hot chocolate but if she gives it to the hot chocolate but if she gives it to the hot chocolate but if she gives it to me I didn't have to get just physical me I didn't have to get just physical me I didn't have to get just physical touch you like that's really nice all touch you like that's really nice all touch you like that's really nice all right well if you have to choose between right well if you have to choose between right well if you have to choose between Factoria and the drama or political Factoria and the drama or political Factoria and the drama or political discourse which probably political discourse which probably political discourse which probably political discourse probably my calling but I am a discourse probably my calling but I am a discourse probably my calling but I am a good factorial good factorial good factorial player like what role exactly does player like what role exactly does player like what role exactly does factoral play in your streaming life oh factoral play in your streaming life oh factoral play in your streaming life oh well right now it's just usually there well right now it's just usually there well right now it's just usually there are like these games that I play in the are like these games that I play in the are like these games that I play in the background as I have conversations cuz background as I have conversations cuz background as I have conversations cuz it's hard for me to just sit on the it's hard for me to just sit on the it's hard for me to just sit on the computer and just talk and not like be computer and just talk and not like be computer and just talk and not like be playing a game at the same time so just playing a game at the same time so just playing a game at the same time so just something to keep me kind of like something to keep me kind of like something to keep me kind of like occupied you know some people buy like occupied you know some people buy like occupied you know some people buy like the little like widget things I guess the little like widget things I guess the little like widget things I guess yeah that's what yours yeah basically yeah that's what yours yeah basically yeah that's what yours yeah basically yeah it's like Minecraft or factoral for yeah it's like Minecraft or factoral for yeah it's like Minecraft or factoral for me all right well my love meter is full me all right well my love meter is full me all right well my love meter is full from this well thank you so much for from this well thank you so much for from this well thank you so much for joining us for me this is really fun um joining us for me this is really fun um joining us for me this is really fun um you guys are fascinating human beings um you guys are fascinating human beings um you guys are fascinating human beings um thank you for existing I'm glad to live thank you for existing I'm glad to live thank you for existing I'm glad to live in a world where you exist I can't wait in a world where you exist I can't wait in a world where you exist I can't wait to see what kind of beautiful to see what kind of beautiful to see what kind of beautiful uh thing you create next and the crazy uh thing you create next and the crazy uh thing you create next and the crazy kind of art that you create through the kind of art that you create through the kind of art that you create through the different people you interact with different people you interact with different people you interact with Destiny Stephen you're an amazing human Destiny Stephen you're an amazing human Destiny Stephen you're an amazing human thank you so much for talking to me it's thank you so much for talking to me it's thank you so much for talking to me it's an honor hope to talk with you again an honor hope to talk with you again an honor hope to talk with you again talking to Ben Shapiro you've given me a talking to Ben Shapiro you've given me a talking to Ben Shapiro you've given me a lot of inspiration it's an honor to talk lot of inspiration it's an honor to talk lot of inspiration it's an honor to talk to the Ben shipiro of the left yeah well to the Ben shipiro of the left yeah well to the Ben shipiro of the left yeah well thanks L for having me I appreciate it thanks L for having me I appreciate it thanks L for having me 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