Craig Jones: Jiu Jitsu, $2 Million Prize, CJI, ADCC, Ukraine & Trolling | Lex Fridman Podcast #439

so I like to to uh match looks from time so I like to to uh match looks from time to time in an omage you look sexy how to time in an omage you look sexy how to time in an omage you look sexy how many legs did you break in Eastern many legs did you break in Eastern many legs did you break in Eastern Europe three or four to send a message Europe three or four to send a message Europe three or four to send a message or just for your own personal enjoyment or just for your own personal enjoyment or just for your own personal enjoyment if she wins I'll personally give her a if she wins I'll personally give her a if she wins I'll personally give her a million dollars if I can foot lock her million dollars if I can foot lock her million dollars if I can foot lock her we're going to collaborate together in we're going to collaborate together in we're going to collaborate together in an only fans sex an only fans sex an only fans sex tape did she agree to this she shook on tape did she agree to this she shook on tape did she agree to this she shook on it you do have an only fans channel is it you do have an only fans channel is it you do have an only fans channel is that still up after August 17th it's that still up after August 17th it's that still up after August 17th it's going to be fire it's going to be on going to be fire it's going to be on going to be fire it's going to be on fire honestly when we talk about secret fire honestly when we talk about secret fire honestly when we talk about secret investor I think that could fun the investor I think that could fun the investor I think that could fun the entire tournament I missed all that what entire tournament I missed all that what entire tournament I missed all that what gives you hope that you can still make gives you hope that you can still make gives you hope that you can still make fun of anything as long as it's fun of anything as long as it's fun of anything as long as it's funny the following is a conversation funny the following is a conversation funny the following is a conversation with Craig Jones martial artist World with Craig Jones martial artist World with Craig Jones martial artist World traveler and one of the funniest people traveler and one of the funniest people traveler and one of the funniest people in the sport of submission grappling in the sport of submission grappling in the sport of submission grappling while he does make fun of himself a lot while he does make fun of himself a lot while he does make fun of himself a lot he is legitimately one of the greatest he is legitimately one of the greatest he is legitimately one of the greatest submission Grapplers in the world and submission Grapplers in the world and submission Grapplers in the world and underneath the veil of non-stop underneath the veil of non-stop underneath the veil of non-stop sexualized Aussie humor and incessant sexualized Aussie humor and incessant sexualized Aussie humor and incessant online trolling he is truly a online trolling he is truly a online trolling he is truly a kind-hearted human being who's trying to kind-hearted human being who's trying to kind-hearted human being who's trying to do good in the do good in the do good in the world sometimes he does so through a bit world sometimes he does so through a bit world sometimes he does so through a bit of controversy and Chaos like with the of controversy and Chaos like with the of controversy and Chaos like with the new cji tournament that has over $2 new cji tournament that has over $2 new cji tournament that has over $2 million in prize money and it's coming million in prize money and it's coming million in prize money and it's coming up this Friday and up this Friday and up this Friday and Saturday yes the same weekend as the

Saturday yes the same weekend as the Saturday yes the same weekend as the prestigious ADCC tournament the goal of prestigious ADCC tournament the goal of prestigious ADCC tournament the goal of CGI tournament is to grow the sport so CGI tournament is to grow the sport so CGI tournament is to grow the sport so you'll be able to watch it for free you'll be able to watch it for free you'll be able to watch it for free online live on YouTube and other online live on YouTube and other online live on YouTube and other places all ticket profits go to charity places all ticket profits go to charity places all ticket profits go to charity mainly to cancer research so I encourage mainly to cancer research so I encourage mainly to cancer research so I encourage you to support the mission of this you to support the mission of this you to support the mission of this tournament by buying tickets and going tournament by buying tickets and going tournament by buying tickets and going to see the event in person Craig gave me to see the event in person Craig gave me to see the event in person Craig gave me a special link that gives you a 50% a special link that gives you a 50% a special link that gives you a 50% discount on the tickets go to Lex discount on the tickets go to Lex discount on the tickets go to Lex freeman.com freeman.com freeman.com eji and it should forward you to the eji and it should forward you to the eji and it should forward you to the right place they're trying to sell the right place they're trying to sell the right place they're trying to sell the last few tickets now it's a good cause last few tickets now it's a good cause last few tickets now it's a good cause go buy some and also let me say as a fan go buy some and also let me say as a fan go buy some and also let me say as a fan of the sport I highly encourage you to of the sport I highly encourage you to of the sport I highly encourage you to watch both cji and ADCC and to celebrate watch both cji and ADCC and to celebrate watch both cji and ADCC and to celebrate athletes competing in both from cji with athletes competing in both from cji with athletes competing in both from cji with Nikki Ryan Nikki Rod Rola Brothers Fon Nikki Ryan Nikki Rod Rola Brothers Fon Nikki Ryan Nikki Rod Rola Brothers Fon Davis McKenzie D and more to ADCC with Davis McKenzie D and more to ADCC with Davis McKenzie D and more to ADCC with Gordon Ryan Nicholas margali John Carlo Gordon Ryan Nicholas margali John Carlo Gordon Ryan Nicholas margali John Carlo bodoni Rafael lado Jr mik galal and more bodoni Rafael lado Jr mik galal and more bodoni Rafael lado Jr mik galal and more I have a lot of respect for everyone I have a lot of respect for everyone I have a lot of respect for everyone involved I trained with many of them involved I trained with many of them involved I trained with many of them regularly and consider many of them regularly and consider many of them regularly and consider many of them friends including Craig Gordon and of friends including Craig Gordon and of friends including Craig Gordon and of course John donaher who I will talk to course John donaher who I will talk to course John donaher who I will talk to many many more times on this podcast many many more times on this podcast many many more times on this podcast this is Alex Freeman podcast to support this is Alex Freeman podcast to support this is Alex Freeman podcast to support it please check out our sponsors in the it please check out our sponsors in the it please check out our sponsors in the description and now dear friends I description and now dear friends I description and now dear friends I invite you all to come to the pool with invite you all to come to the pool with invite you all to come to the pool with Craig Jones and me when you brought the

Craig Jones and me when you brought the Craig Jones and me when you brought the $1 million in cash on uh Rogan's podcast $1 million in cash on uh Rogan's podcast $1 million in cash on uh Rogan's podcast did you have security with you we had did you have security with you we had did you have security with you we had security but only by Joe Rogan's request security but only by Joe Rogan's request security but only by Joe Rogan's request because he said you really going to because he said you really going to because he said you really going to bring it yeah do you have security I bring it yeah do you have security I bring it yeah do you have security I said no he's like don't worry about it said no he's like don't worry about it said no he's like don't worry about it I'll send my security so you were going I'll send my security so you were going I'll send my security so you were going to doal without security yeah we're to doal without security yeah we're to doal without security yeah we're going to wing I thought I mean I was going to wing I thought I mean I was going to wing I thought I mean I was told not to tell anyone yeah but I sent told not to tell anyone yeah but I sent told not to tell anyone yeah but I sent pictures of it to everyone I know yeah pictures of it to everyone I know yeah pictures of it to everyone I know yeah so that was probably a security risk so that was probably a security risk so that was probably a security risk yeah so it's just you in a car with a yeah so it's just you in a car with a yeah so it's just you in a car with a bag of cash yeah it was a company that bag of cash yeah it was a company that bag of cash yeah it was a company that sponsors me shuffle.com it was their sponsors me shuffle.com it was their sponsors me shuffle.com it was their friend a friend of their so a guy that's friend a friend of their so a guy that's friend a friend of their so a guy that's never met me before yeah just took the never met me before yeah just took the never met me before yeah just took the risk to show up to a stranger's house risk to show up to a stranger's house risk to show up to a stranger's house with a million dollars in cash to bring with a million dollars in cash to bring with a million dollars in cash to bring to Joe ran it was a big risk of him and to Joe ran it was a big risk of him and to Joe ran it was a big risk of him and you just put it in the car and drove it you just put it in the car and drove it you just put it in the car and drove it drove it over there yeah yeah with no drove it over there yeah yeah with no drove it over there yeah yeah with no security except Joe except Joe that's security except Joe except Joe that's security except Joe except Joe that's common sense and then Joe said he'd common sense and then Joe said he'd common sense and then Joe said he'd never seen a million dollars before yeah never seen a million dollars before yeah never seen a million dollars before yeah but I don't know if I believe him that's but I don't know if I believe him that's but I don't know if I believe him that's what everyone says that's what pabl what everyone says that's what pabl what everyone says that's what pabl Escobar probably says also what's your Escobar probably says also what's your Escobar probably says also what's your relationship with relationship with relationship with risk especially with the risk of death I risk especially with the risk of death I risk especially with the risk of death I would say I'm very risk averse you are would say I'm very risk averse you are would say I'm very risk averse you are no you're not that's a no you're not that's a no you're not that's a lie um my relationship with risk I like lie um my relationship with risk I like lie um my relationship with risk I like a bit of excitement I like a bit of a bit of excitement I like a bit of a bit of excitement I like a bit of Adventure I'm more about the adventure Adventure I'm more about the adventure Adventure I'm more about the adventure but I will not let um the risk get in but I will not let um the risk get in but I will not let um the risk get in the waiver and also obviously just go the waiver and also obviously just go the waiver and also obviously just go back from Ukraine I'm happy to take a back from Ukraine I'm happy to take a back from Ukraine I'm happy to take a few risks if it's part of of what the few risks if it's part of of what the few risks if it's part of of what the locals want me to do you know what I locals want me to do you know what I locals want me to do you know what I mean like in Kazakhstan we did some mean like in Kazakhstan we did some mean like in Kazakhstan we did some things that were dangerous like if the

things that were dangerous like if the things that were dangerous like if the locals are like come along join in on locals are like come along join in on locals are like come along join in on this activity I feel personally this activity I feel personally this activity I feel personally obligated to go with them so it's not obligated to go with them so it's not obligated to go with them so it's not about the risk like you're not attracted about the risk like you're not attracted about the risk like you're not attracted to risk you're attracted to Adventure to risk you're attracted to Adventure to risk you're attracted to Adventure and the risk is a thing you don't give a and the risk is a thing you don't give a and the risk is a thing you don't give a damn about yes if it comes along with it damn about yes if it comes along with it damn about yes if it comes along with it sometimes the best Adventures involve sometimes the best Adventures involve sometimes the best Adventures involve the most risk unfortunately speaking of the most risk unfortunately speaking of the most risk unfortunately speaking of which you went to Ukraine like you said which you went to Ukraine like you said which you went to Ukraine like you said twice recently twice really push the twice recently twice really push the twice recently twice really push the limit there including to the front to limit there including to the front to limit there including to the front to the front tell me the uh the full story the front tell me the uh the full story the front tell me the uh the full story of that from the beginning how did you of that from the beginning how did you of that from the beginning how did you end up in Ukraine so we're in Kazakhstan end up in Ukraine so we're in Kazakhstan end up in Ukraine so we're in Kazakhstan we're doing some filming in Kazakhstan we're doing some filming in Kazakhstan we're doing some filming in Kazakhstan and obviously borat's still a very and obviously borat's still a very and obviously borat's still a very traumatic memory for them yeah and some traumatic memory for them yeah and some traumatic memory for them yeah and some of my jokes felt like they don't go as of my jokes felt like they don't go as of my jokes felt like they don't go as well in that neck of the woods so we had well in that neck of the woods so we had well in that neck of the woods so we had some difficulty filming out there so we some difficulty filming out there so we some difficulty filming out there so we film this horse game have you ever heard film this horse game have you ever heard film this horse game have you ever heard of bar thanks to you yes it's a of bar thanks to you yes it's a of bar thanks to you yes it's a game a very very old game they cut a game a very very old game they cut a game a very very old game they cut a a goat or a sheep I didn't get too close a goat or a sheep I didn't get too close a goat or a sheep I didn't get too close to look at it but they cut its head and to look at it but they cut its head and to look at it but they cut its head and legs off and they use it as some form of legs off and they use it as some form of legs off and they use it as some form of ball and then they have like up to a ball and then they have like up to a ball and then they have like up to a thousand guys on horses violently trying thousand guys on horses violently trying thousand guys on horses violently trying to pick this up and droing in the other to pick this up and droing in the other to pick this up and droing in the other end's goals basically the goals used to end's goals basically the goals used to end's goals basically the goals used to be concrete now it's just a top but be concrete now it's just a top but be concrete now it's just a top but local business owners will throw down local business owners will throw down local business owners will throw down huge amounts of money for the winners huge amounts of money for the winners huge amounts of money for the winners and these horses have been trained from and these horses have been trained from and these horses have been trained from a very young age the Riders have been a very young age the Riders have been a very young age the Riders have been trained I've never ridden a horse before trained I've never ridden a horse before trained I've never ridden a horse before we wanted to film something that made it we wanted to film something that made it we wanted to film something that made it look like I was going to go into the look like I was going to go into the look like I was going to go into the horse uh pit into the bar pit

horse uh pit into the bar pit horse uh pit into the bar pit however the drunk stunt man that we used however the drunk stunt man that we used however the drunk stunt man that we used just decided that when he took my horse just decided that when he took my horse just decided that when he took my horse reins he would take me straight into the reins he would take me straight into the reins he would take me straight into the pit instead of ending the shot there so pit instead of ending the shot there so pit instead of ending the shot there so I was in there amongst I guess the horse I was in there amongst I guess the horse I was in there amongst I guess the horse riders the by Riders and we weren't riders the by Riders and we weren't riders the by Riders and we weren't leaving we just were in there for quite leaving we just were in there for quite leaving we just were in there for quite a while and he was just he could talk a a while and he was just he could talk a a while and he was just he could talk a littleit he could talk English pretty littleit he could talk English pretty littleit he could talk English pretty well actually and he's like I thought well actually and he's like I thought well actually and he's like I thought you'd want to check it out from the you'd want to check it out from the you'd want to check it out from the inside and then while we were in there inside and then while we were in there inside and then while we were in there someone picked up the sort of carcass someone picked up the sort of carcass someone picked up the sort of carcass and a wave of horse riders came at me I and a wave of horse riders came at me I and a wave of horse riders came at me I was quite concerned at that point cuz was quite concerned at that point cuz was quite concerned at that point cuz they're bashing into each other and they're bashing into each other and they're bashing into each other and obviously they're angry they're seeing a obviously they're angry they're seeing a obviously they're angry they're seeing a foreigner in there I was wearing like foreigner in there I was wearing like foreigner in there I was wearing like basically biggy small cogi geeku looking basically biggy small cogi geeku looking basically biggy small cogi geeku looking sweater so I stood out they definitely sweater so I stood out they definitely sweater so I stood out they definitely didn't like that I was participating in didn't like that I was participating in didn't like that I was participating in a game that they probably trained their a game that they probably trained their a game that they probably trained their whole life for and that amount of money whole life for and that amount of money whole life for and that amount of money they could win is very very significant they could win is very very significant they could win is very very significant and there's me in there they're also and there's me in there they're also and there's me in there they're also pointing out Borat Borat thinking I was pointing out Borat Borat thinking I was pointing out Borat Borat thinking I was making Borat Jokes which again very making Borat Jokes which again very making Borat Jokes which again very traumatic memory for the people of traumatic memory for the people of traumatic memory for the people of Kazakhstan were you making Borat jokes Kazakhstan were you making Borat jokes Kazakhstan were you making Borat jokes no but I guess it's the same type of no but I guess it's the same type of no but I guess it's the same type of humor but sure just I guess I'm not humor but sure just I guess I'm not humor but sure just I guess I'm not pretending to be kazak I'm just there pretending to be kazak I'm just there pretending to be kazak I'm just there being an idiot and enjoying the local being an idiot and enjoying the local being an idiot and enjoying the local culture but we were over there in kazak culture but we were over there in kazak culture but we were over there in kazak we did that that was obviously a bit we did that that was obviously a bit we did that that was obviously a bit risky did they learn to love you I think risky did they learn to love you I think risky did they learn to love you I think they learned to love me and then to hate they learned to love me and then to hate they learned to love me and then to hate me again so I was like a a bit of a all me again so I was like a a bit of a all me again so I was like a a bit of a all incomp relationship for the kazak people incomp relationship for the kazak people incomp relationship for the kazak people but we we basically abandoned it but we we basically abandoned it but we we basically abandoned it was proven too difficult to film some was proven too difficult to film some was proven too difficult to film some things some sensitive subjects over

things some sensitive subjects over things some sensitive subjects over there and I said where should we go next there and I said where should we go next there and I said where should we go next and I just looked at the map and I was and I just looked at the map and I was and I just looked at the map and I was like we near Ukraine Ukraine was a place like we near Ukraine Ukraine was a place like we near Ukraine Ukraine was a place that i' been offered to teach a that i' been offered to teach a that i' been offered to teach a Jiu-Jitsu seminar prior to I guess the Jiu-Jitsu seminar prior to I guess the Jiu-Jitsu seminar prior to I guess the war commencing the full scale war war commencing the full scale war war commencing the full scale war commencing and we're looking for a bit commencing and we're looking for a bit commencing and we're looking for a bit of Adventure something interesting to of Adventure something interesting to of Adventure something interesting to film some following the news uh film some following the news uh film some following the news uh obviously very controversial in the news obviously very controversial in the news obviously very controversial in the news people have very strong opinions and I people have very strong opinions and I people have very strong opinions and I was like let's go over there let's throw was like let's go over there let's throw was like let's go over there let's throw a charity event let's do something let's a charity event let's do something let's a charity event let's do something let's train with the people and really train with the people and really train with the people and really experience for ourselves so we set up experience for ourselves so we set up experience for ourselves so we set up the seminar turned out to be the biggest the seminar turned out to be the biggest the seminar turned out to be the biggest seminar for Jiu-Jitsu in Ukraine history seminar for Jiu-Jitsu in Ukraine history seminar for Jiu-Jitsu in Ukraine history which is wild considering obviously they which is wild considering obviously they which is wild considering obviously they are at War but everyone came together to are at War but everyone came together to are at War but everyone came together to support it and one of the soldiers there support it and one of the soldiers there support it and one of the soldiers there one of my friends there good friend now one of my friends there good friend now one of my friends there good friend now who's on the front line he made a who's on the front line he made a who's on the front line he made a comment on there and he said hey like comment on there and he said hey like comment on there and he said hey like this is a seminar to donate profits to this is a seminar to donate profits to this is a seminar to donate profits to the soldiers but we're on the front line the soldiers but we're on the front line the soldiers but we're on the front line and I was like you know what I'll come and I was like you know what I'll come and I was like you know what I'll come to you and he's like listen I can't to you and he's like listen I can't to you and he's like listen I can't promise you'll survive but I'll promise promise you'll survive but I'll promise promise you'll survive but I'll promise you have a good time and I said that's you have a good time and I said that's you have a good time and I said that's all I needed to hear so we connected and all I needed to hear so we connected and all I needed to hear so we connected and my friend Rome and we went really really my friend Rome and we went really really my friend Rome and we went really really close I think we were at the closest close I think we were at the closest close I think we were at the closest point 7 km from the front line obviously point 7 km from the front line obviously point 7 km from the front line obviously very surreal experience to be over there very surreal experience to be over there very surreal experience to be over there seeing basically how the battle's fought seeing basically how the battle's fought seeing basically how the battle's fought with all drones how long ago was this I with all drones how long ago was this I with all drones how long ago was this I think it would have been March or April think it would have been March or April think it would have been March or April so we went there we went basically spent so we went there we went basically spent so we went there we went basically spent two nights up on the front line went two nights up on the front line went two nights up on the front line went back to ke and that was it for that trip

back to ke and that was it for that trip back to ke and that was it for that trip in terms of crazy stuff that happened in terms of crazy stuff that happened in terms of crazy stuff that happened obviously just the people living like obviously just the people living like obviously just the people living like you download the uh air defense tracker you download the uh air defense tracker you download the uh air defense tracker so at any time there could be a air so at any time there could be a air so at any time there could be a air siren going off an air Alert on your siren going off an air Alert on your siren going off an air Alert on your phone could be like drones heading your phone could be like drones heading your phone could be like drones heading your way planes are in the air missiles way planes are in the air missiles way planes are in the air missiles flying and then those missiles will flying and then those missiles will flying and then those missiles will change direction and stuff so the air change direction and stuff so the air change direction and stuff so the air alert you don't know if it's heading a alert you don't know if it's heading a alert you don't know if it's heading a different direction but they just sort different direction but they just sort different direction but they just sort of warn everyone so you live under a of warn everyone so you live under a of warn everyone so you live under a constant state of of fear basically and constant state of of fear basically and constant state of of fear basically and then on that first trip the heaviest then on that first trip the heaviest then on that first trip the heaviest moment was I was going downstairs in the moment was I was going downstairs in the moment was I was going downstairs in the hotel to work out which is honestly a hotel to work out which is honestly a hotel to work out which is honestly a rare thing these days doing something rare thing these days doing something rare thing these days doing something healthy with myself you're working up healthy with myself you're working up healthy with myself you're working up getting in the gym pumping some iron and getting in the gym pumping some iron and getting in the gym pumping some iron and this was divine intervention that a this was divine intervention that a this was divine intervention that a Hypersonic missile was shot down by the Hypersonic missile was shot down by the Hypersonic missile was shot down by the Patriot event system just like 5 minutes Patriot event system just like 5 minutes Patriot event system just like 5 minutes from the hotel so the whole hotel and from the hotel so the whole hotel and from the hotel so the whole hotel and the uh attached gym just shook like the uh attached gym just shook like the uh attached gym just shook like crazy and people start some people crazy and people start some people crazy and people start some people started freaking out most people went to started freaking out most people went to started freaking out most people went to leave to go outside which I don't think leave to go outside which I don't think leave to go outside which I don't think is recommended but you want to see is recommended but you want to see is recommended but you want to see what's going on out there this was in ke what's going on out there this was in ke what's going on out there this was in ke this was in ke so it got shot down and this was in ke so it got shot down and this was in ke so it got shot down and then some of the local troops actually then some of the local troops actually then some of the local troops actually took me to the site of where just part took me to the site of where just part took me to the site of where just part of the missile had landed in the ground of the missile had landed in the ground of the missile had landed in the ground and left this huge sort of indentation and left this huge sort of indentation and left this huge sort of indentation they already cleared up most of the um I they already cleared up most of the um I they already cleared up most of the um I guess shrapnel from the missile I don't guess shrapnel from the missile I don't guess shrapnel from the missile I don't know if I should or if if I was legally know if I should or if if I was legally know if I should or if if I was legally allowed to do this but I took some of allowed to do this but I took some of allowed to do this but I took some of that missile back home with me I don't that missile back home with me I don't that missile back home with me I don't know where I left it actually but I know where I left it actually but I know where I left it actually but I thought maybe that would raise some thought maybe that would raise some thought maybe that would raise some alarm bells and Airport scans but I took

alarm bells and Airport scans but I took alarm bells and Airport scans but I took I took it I took it I took it regardless and that was basically the regardless and that was basically the regardless and that was basically the crazy thing that happened on that first crazy thing that happened on that first crazy thing that happened on that first trip the Patriot defense system is is trip the Patriot defense system is is trip the Patriot defense system is is incredible it's an incredible piece of incredible it's an incredible piece of incredible it's an incredible piece of technology that's from the United States technology that's from the United States technology that's from the United States it's expensive but it's incredible and it's expensive but it's incredible and it's expensive but it's incredible and then so that's protecting ke that's then so that's protecting ke that's then so that's protecting ke that's protecting ke yeah that was at the time protecting ke yeah that was at the time protecting ke yeah that was at the time where us hadn't uh voted to I guess keep where us hadn't uh voted to I guess keep where us hadn't uh voted to I guess keep funding the weapons over there so it was funding the weapons over there so it was funding the weapons over there so it was kind of a tense moment cuz I think I kind of a tense moment cuz I think I kind of a tense moment cuz I think I don't know everyone was thinking like don't know everyone was thinking like don't know everyone was thinking like when did those air defense missiles run when did those air defense missiles run when did those air defense missiles run out so that was a heavy moment for me out so that was a heavy moment for me out so that was a heavy moment for me thinking look at what it shot out the thinking look at what it shot out the thinking look at what it shot out the sky like imagine if that didn't they sky like imagine if that didn't they sky like imagine if that didn't they didn't have that but we yeah that that didn't have that but we yeah that that didn't have that but we yeah that that was probably the most surreal moment but was probably the most surreal moment but was probably the most surreal moment but ke largely life goes on most of the time ke largely life goes on most of the time ke largely life goes on most of the time as as as paranormal I I was faced with crazy paranormal I I was faced with crazy paranormal I I was faced with crazy messages and comments even just posting messages and comments even just posting messages and comments even just posting that video like I'm uh getting paid by that video like I'm uh getting paid by that video like I'm uh getting paid by Ukraine and stuff and it's just like Ukraine and stuff and it's just like Ukraine and stuff and it's just like people just don't understand that like people just don't understand that like people just don't understand that like life has to go on like ke's here the life has to go on like ke's here the life has to go on like ke's here the front Line's far away like the cities front Line's far away like the cities front Line's far away like the cities have to largely try to operate as normal have to largely try to operate as normal have to largely try to operate as normal or just life life will not go on in or just life life will not go on in or just life life will not go on in those Villages and cities well it's those Villages and cities well it's those Villages and cities well it's human nature as well it's not just Kev human nature as well it's not just Kev human nature as well it's not just Kev it's hard cave it's even Damas uh hon it's hard cave it's even Damas uh hon it's hard cave it's even Damas uh hon people get accustomed to war quickly cuz people get accustomed to war quickly cuz people get accustomed to war quickly cuz it's impossible to suffer for long it's impossible to suffer for long it's impossible to suffer for long periods of time so you get adjust you periods of time so you get adjust you periods of time so you get adjust you adjust and you appreciate the things you adjust and you appreciate the things you adjust and you appreciate the things you still have yeah some Bing moves out still have yeah some Bing moves out still have yeah some Bing moves out there I love seeing like people that there I love seeing like people that there I love seeing like people that just crazy stuff's going on from the war

just crazy stuff's going on from the war just crazy stuff's going on from the war and they don't even react to it they and they don't even react to it they and they don't even react to it they don't go to the bomb shelter it's like a don't go to the bomb shelter it's like a don't go to the bomb shelter it's like a bowler move like I'm not going to change bowler move like I'm not going to change bowler move like I'm not going to change my lifestyle actually on that first trip my lifestyle actually on that first trip my lifestyle actually on that first trip as well something else that I probably as well something else that I probably as well something else that I probably shouldn't have been allowed to do was go shouldn't have been allowed to do was go shouldn't have been allowed to do was go to Chernobyl yeah so to Chernobyl yeah so to Chernobyl yeah so Chernobyl I believe troops came through Chernobyl I believe troops came through Chernobyl I believe troops came through bellarus and there was some fighting bellarus and there was some fighting bellarus and there was some fighting going on in Chernobyl I think the whole going on in Chernobyl I think the whole going on in Chernobyl I think the whole World got concerned at that point if any World got concerned at that point if any World got concerned at that point if any sort of radiation leaked but Chernobyl sort of radiation leaked but Chernobyl sort of radiation leaked but Chernobyl as it stands the troops backed down and as it stands the troops backed down and as it stands the troops backed down and it's completely covered in Minds very it's completely covered in Minds very it's completely covered in Minds very very difficult to go to go to Cho very difficult to go to go to Cho very difficult to go to go to Cho basically as a tourist or as like a I basically as a tourist or as like a I basically as a tourist or as like a I guess a idiot like myself should really guess a idiot like myself should really guess a idiot like myself should really probably not be allowed in a place like probably not be allowed in a place like probably not be allowed in a place like that but we were able to get there we that but we were able to get there we that but we were able to get there we passed like four security checkpoints it passed like four security checkpoints it passed like four security checkpoints it took two attempts first TR time we tried took two attempts first TR time we tried took two attempts first TR time we tried to go in there was with a special force to go in there was with a special force to go in there was with a special force sky we cleared two security gates then sky we cleared two security gates then sky we cleared two security gates then they stopped us and basically threatened they stopped us and basically threatened they stopped us and basically threatened us with arrest rightfully so really have us with arrest rightfully so really have us with arrest rightfully so really have no business going to no business going to no business going to choby we made a connection I won't say choby we made a connection I won't say choby we made a connection I won't say this connection was but he had heard this connection was but he had heard this connection was but he had heard about what I had done sort of with a about what I had done sort of with a about what I had done sort of with a charity event and opened some doors for charity event and opened some doors for charity event and opened some doors for us to be able to go to shinob so we got us to be able to go to shinob so we got us to be able to go to shinob so we got to see shinob we had some filming to see shinob we had some filming to see shinob we had some filming restrictions there just because it was a restrictions there just because it was a restrictions there just because it was a crazy military sort of conflict at one crazy military sort of conflict at one crazy military sort of conflict at one point and we got to actually see Shob point and we got to actually see Shob point and we got to actually see Shob know always been a dream of M to see cuz know always been a dream of M to see cuz know always been a dream of M to see cuz it's just such an interesting place and it's just such an interesting place and it's just such an interesting place and to see it under these conditions very to see it under these conditions very to see it under these conditions very very strange yeah what was that like so very strange yeah what was that like so very strange yeah what was that like so there's no civilians there now it's just there's no civilians there now it's just there's no civilians there now it's just completely empty I guess it's kind of

completely empty I guess it's kind of completely empty I guess it's kind of like the fantasy you have I I imagine like the fantasy you have I I imagine like the fantasy you have I I imagine people going tours of Chernobyl back in people going tours of Chernobyl back in people going tours of Chernobyl back in the tourist days when it was a tourist the tourist days when it was a tourist the tourist days when it was a tourist spot and it would be busy full of spot and it would be busy full of spot and it would be busy full of tourists we got basically a private tour tourists we got basically a private tour tourists we got basically a private tour so we got to really feel that abandoned so we got to really feel that abandoned so we got to really feel that abandoned sort of Vibes I guess I was interested sort of Vibes I guess I was interested sort of Vibes I guess I was interested in it from playing Call of Duty and then in it from playing Call of Duty and then in it from playing Call of Duty and then right Chernobyl series all the right Chernobyl series all the right Chernobyl series all the documentaries and stuff but very very documentaries and stuff but very very documentaries and stuff but very very strange place to go visit and it is now strange place to go visit and it is now strange place to go visit and it is now a Minefield like a lot of parts of a Minefield like a lot of parts of a Minefield like a lot of parts of Ukraine that's one of Ukraine that's one of Ukraine that's one of the dark terrifying aspects of war is the dark terrifying aspects of war is the dark terrifying aspects of war is how many mines are left even when the how many mines are left even when the how many mines are left even when the war ends for decades after there's mines war ends for decades after there's mines war ends for decades after there's mines everywhere because Dem mining is everywhere because Dem mining is everywhere because Dem mining is extremely difficult and extremely difficult and extremely difficult and that that could continually kill people that that could continually kill people that that could continually kill people I don't think it'll be a spot for a very I don't think it'll be a spot for a very I don't think it'll be a spot for a very long time because if you were thinking long time because if you were thinking long time because if you were thinking about areas to demine when the conflict about areas to demine when the conflict about areas to demine when the conflict ends an area where if you accidentally ends an area where if you accidentally ends an area where if you accidentally trigger a mine could cause a radiation trigger a mine could cause a radiation trigger a mine could cause a radiation leag it's probably going to be very low leag it's probably going to be very low leag it's probably going to be very low on the list so tourism for Chernobyl who on the list so tourism for Chernobyl who on the list so tourism for Chernobyl who knows how long until that Returns what knows how long until that Returns what knows how long until that Returns what do you think you were able to to get to do you think you were able to to get to do you think you were able to to get to Chernobyl is there why why don't you Chernobyl is there why why don't you Chernobyl is there why why don't you think uh the Ukrainian people the think uh the Ukrainian people the think uh the Ukrainian people the Ukrainian soldiers don't see you as a Ukrainian soldiers don't see you as a Ukrainian soldiers don't see you as a threat maybe they were hoping I did step threat maybe they were hoping I did step threat maybe they were hoping I did step on a m maybe my jokes didn't go too well on a m maybe my jokes didn't go too well on a m maybe my jokes didn't go too well there so your connection was actually there so your connection was actually there so your connection was actually Putin he was trying to get rid of you Putin he was trying to get rid of you Putin he was trying to get rid of you Putin Putin Putin yeah now I don't know I mean we felt yeah now I don't know I mean we felt yeah now I don't know I mean we felt pretty safe when we're there there was pretty safe when we're there there was pretty safe when we're there there was an air alert went off they were kind of an air alert went off they were kind of an air alert went off they were kind of more concerned with me dying just for

more concerned with me dying just for more concerned with me dying just for the pr side of things it's like the pr side of things it's like the pr side of things it's like Australian tourist in one of your videos Australian tourist in one of your videos Australian tourist in one of your videos actually you know heard Ukrainian uh actually you know heard Ukrainian uh actually you know heard Ukrainian uh language they're talking about we we language they're talking about we we language they're talking about we we don't want to lose an athlete that's don't want to lose an athlete that's don't want to lose an athlete that's what they're saying as you're loading what they're saying as you're loading what they're saying as you're loading the the rocket launcher oh yeah The Rock the the rocket launcher oh yeah The Rock the the rocket launcher oh yeah The Rock launcher I shot a rocket launcher with launcher I shot a rocket launcher with launcher I shot a rocket launcher with the troops on the first trip but the the troops on the first trip but the the troops on the first trip but the second trip I went back to which was second trip I went back to which was second trip I went back to which was only maybe four to five weeks ago yeah only maybe four to five weeks ago yeah only maybe four to five weeks ago yeah this time we went to some crazier spots this time we went to some crazier spots this time we went to some crazier spots so we went to Odessa which has been hit so we went to Odessa which has been hit so we went to Odessa which has been hit a ton I really enjoyed the video of old a ton I really enjoyed the video of old a ton I really enjoyed the video of old man stretching and like exercising on man stretching and like exercising on man stretching and like exercising on the yeah what local local custom well a the yeah what local local custom well a the yeah what local local custom well a deser people are known historically to deser people are known historically to deser people are known historically to be wild that was wild it was abrasive to be wild that was wild it was abrasive to be wild that was wild it was abrasive to the eyes but I appreciated it especially the eyes but I appreciated it especially the eyes but I appreciated it especially a middle a man in underwear with a beer a middle a man in underwear with a beer a middle a man in underwear with a beer belly doing a Sundance at dusk that belly doing a Sundance at dusk that belly doing a Sundance at dusk that would frighten many would frighten many would frighten many people yeah yeah yeah the battleship people yeah yeah yeah the battleship people yeah yeah yeah the battleship would turn around uh yeah so where else would turn around uh yeah so where else would turn around uh yeah so where else we went yeah so we went Odessa we we went yeah so we went Odessa we we went yeah so we went Odessa we briefly went back to Keef we so I made a briefly went back to Keef we so I made a briefly went back to Keef we so I made a connection with the police chief of connection with the police chief of connection with the police chief of basically the entire country last time basically the entire country last time basically the entire country last time and he had said to me that if I wanted and he had said to me that if I wanted and he had said to me that if I wanted to go somewhere sort of really heavy in to go somewhere sort of really heavy in to go somewhere sort of really heavy in terms of action we could go to curse on terms of action we could go to curse on terms of action we could go to curse on and he's like oh personally escort you and he's like oh personally escort you and he's like oh personally escort you to curse on and I was just like well to curse on and I was just like well to curse on and I was just like well here we have an invitation for here we have an invitation for here we have an invitation for adventure I think it's a great idea to adventure I think it's a great idea to adventure I think it's a great idea to go and I thought you know what I'll go and I thought you know what I'll go and I thought you know what I'll completely lie to my cameraman and tell

completely lie to my cameraman and tell completely lie to my cameraman and tell him it's a safe trip to go on so that he him it's a safe trip to go on so that he him it's a safe trip to go on so that he can pass that information onto his can pass that information onto his can pass that information onto his fiance yeah and she won't have any fiance yeah and she won't have any fiance yeah and she won't have any concerns yes so we basically take this concerns yes so we basically take this concerns yes so we basically take this huge Journey all the way down to Kon we huge Journey all the way down to Kon we huge Journey all the way down to Kon we switch at a city outside I can't switch at a city outside I can't switch at a city outside I can't remember the name but we had to switch remember the name but we had to switch remember the name but we had to switch of armored vehicles and I remember the of armored vehicles and I remember the of armored vehicles and I remember the guy that picked us up there said hey guy that picked us up there said hey guy that picked us up there said hey give me a phone number uh for someone to give me a phone number uh for someone to give me a phone number uh for someone to call to recover your bodies yeah and he call to recover your bodies yeah and he call to recover your bodies yeah and he said that in a joking way but I think he said that in a joking way but I think he said that in a joking way but I think he was serious but I said just leave it you was serious but I said just leave it you was serious but I said just leave it you know I'm not I don't think they need I know I'm not I don't think they need I know I'm not I don't think they need I don't think be much left probably if we don't think be much left probably if we don't think be much left probably if we get hit over there but we go basically get hit over there but we go basically get hit over there but we go basically into kerson I think kon's population into kerson I think kon's population into kerson I think kon's population used to be like used to be like used to be like 250,000 now it's like basically all 250,000 now it's like basically all 250,000 now it's like basically all military down to 50,000 so we went into military down to 50,000 so we went into military down to 50,000 so we went into the police basically station in the the police basically station in the the police basically station in the bunker underneath the top of the bunker underneath the top of the bunker underneath the top of the building was destroyed and then one of building was destroyed and then one of building was destroyed and then one of the local guys just took us on a city the local guys just took us on a city the local guys just took us on a city tour which again we had some filming tour which again we had some filming tour which again we had some filming restrictions because obviously anytime restrictions because obviously anytime restrictions because obviously anytime something's hit I guess the other side something's hit I guess the other side something's hit I guess the other side wants to be able to see what damage has wants to be able to see what damage has wants to be able to see what damage has been done so if you take any footage of been done so if you take any footage of been done so if you take any footage of recently destroyed buildings that's recently destroyed buildings that's recently destroyed buildings that's going to help him re-calibrate and going to help him re-calibrate and going to help him re-calibrate and Target the next shot so kers on being so Target the next shot so kers on being so Target the next shot so kers on being so heavily hit it's basically within range heavily hit it's basically within range heavily hit it's basically within range of every single thing Russia has every of every single thing Russia has every of every single thing Russia has every form of weapon drones before we took the form of weapon drones before we took the form of weapon drones before we took the tour he put some drone blocking things tour he put some drone blocking things tour he put some drone blocking things on top of the car which didn't look on top of the car which didn't look on top of the car which didn't look reassuring he also took a helmet out the reassuring he also took a helmet out the reassuring he also took a helmet out the back of the car which I thought he was back of the car which I thought he was back of the car which I thought he was going to give to me but he just threw it going to give to me but he just threw it going to give to me but he just threw it in the back of the pickup truck and said

in the back of the pickup truck and said in the back of the pickup truck and said oh you you won't need this you'll be oh you you won't need this you'll be oh you you won't need this you'll be dead anyway and I was like ah I've made dead anyway and I was like ah I've made dead anyway and I was like ah I've made a great life decision with this little a great life decision with this little a great life decision with this little kers on tour but then we took a tour of kers on tour but then we took a tour of kers on tour but then we took a tour of the city and kerson used to be kind of the city and kerson used to be kind of the city and kerson used to be kind of like a beautiful beach city by the Neo like a beautiful beach city by the Neo like a beautiful beach city by the Neo River but basically it's just the river River but basically it's just the river River but basically it's just the river that separat Ates Russia from uh well I that separat Ates Russia from uh well I that separat Ates Russia from uh well I guess the Russian land they've they've guess the Russian land they've they've guess the Russian land they've they've taken from kerson so Kon split across taken from kerson so Kon split across taken from kerson so Kon split across that River and there's just Russians on that River and there's just Russians on that River and there's just Russians on the other side of the river and the other side of the river and the other side of the river and ukrainians on this side so very very ukrainians on this side so very very ukrainians on this side so very very dangerous spot K makes a lot of press dangerous spot K makes a lot of press dangerous spot K makes a lot of press because of the longrange missiles that because of the longrange missiles that because of the longrange missiles that hit but kon's just being hit all the hit but kon's just being hit all the hit but kon's just being hit all the time so we took this tour we went along time so we took this tour we went along time so we took this tour we went along the river we went to within 1 kilometer the river we went to within 1 kilometer the river we went to within 1 kilometer of the front line so that was the of the front line so that was the of the front line so that was the closest we got after this point we heard closest we got after this point we heard closest we got after this point we heard artillery strike and because you're in artillery strike and because you're in artillery strike and because you're in an armored vehicle it sounds further an armored vehicle it sounds further an armored vehicle it sounds further away than it is obviously the sound away than it is obviously the sound away than it is obviously the sound doesn't get in so I thought it sounded doesn't get in so I thought it sounded doesn't get in so I thought it sounded far away we could see some smoke that far away we could see some smoke that far away we could see some smoke that actually appeared closer in the distance actually appeared closer in the distance actually appeared closer in the distance the guy driving us took us to a point the guy driving us took us to a point the guy driving us took us to a point where a large building was blocking us where a large building was blocking us where a large building was blocking us from I guess the angle at which the from I guess the angle at which the from I guess the angle at which the missile would have came from and I missile would have came from and I missile would have came from and I thought well I thought everything was thought well I thought everything was thought well I thought everything was cool thought it was that must have been cool thought it was that must have been cool thought it was that must have been off the disc distance and then we heard off the disc distance and then we heard off the disc distance and then we heard two more strikes hit very very close two more strikes hit very very close two more strikes hit very very close they sounded really loud and then I they sounded really loud and then I they sounded really loud and then I think um he's radio in to see if think um he's radio in to see if think um he's radio in to see if everything's safe if we can leave this everything's safe if we can leave this everything's safe if we can leave this point and then we basically race back point and then we basically race back point and then we basically race back but we kind I started to realize we're

but we kind I started to realize we're but we kind I started to realize we're in danger at any point where he really in danger at any point where he really in danger at any point where he really sped the car up or sort of took sort of sped the car up or sort of took sort of sped the car up or sort of took sort of evasive movements in the car but we got evasive movements in the car but we got evasive movements in the car but we got out of there and I think I had someone out of there and I think I had someone out of there and I think I had someone translate it later and basically yeah he translate it later and basically yeah he translate it later and basically yeah he was checking to see if the roads were was checking to see if the roads were was checking to see if the roads were clear for us to leave ultimately it clear for us to leave ultimately it clear for us to leave ultimately it ended up being someone died and a people ended up being someone died and a people ended up being someone died and a people injured from that blast which was less injured from that blast which was less injured from that blast which was less than half a kilometer from us and than half a kilometer from us and than half a kilometer from us and basically they were radi radioing saying basically they were radi radioing saying basically they were radi radioing saying end the tour come back to police end the tour come back to police end the tour come back to police station artillery is terrifying cuz station artillery is terrifying cuz station artillery is terrifying cuz there's just shelling and it's the the there's just shelling and it's the the there's just shelling and it's the the the destructive power of artillery is the destructive power of artillery is the destructive power of artillery is insane yeah and it's constant all the insane yeah and it's constant all the insane yeah and it's constant all the time yeah and you hear that noise you're time yeah and you hear that noise you're time yeah and you hear that noise you're like is that coming or going very uh like is that coming or going very uh like is that coming or going very uh very concerning right you don't know very concerning right you don't know very concerning right you don't know yeah I'm you don't know and just like yeah I'm you don't know and just like yeah I'm you don't know and just like that it could you gone last time the that it could you gone last time the that it could you gone last time the village we went to um village we went to um village we went to um basically it was the day we left so we basically it was the day we left so we basically it was the day we left so we stayed there over night the day we left stayed there over night the day we left stayed there over night the day we left it just started getting extremely it just started getting extremely it just started getting extremely shelled and the soldier we were with shelled and the soldier we were with shelled and the soldier we were with just took a selfie video of us and just took a selfie video of us and just took a selfie video of us and basically the location we were in just basically the location we were in just basically the location we were in just hearing just artillery strike after hearing just artillery strike after hearing just artillery strike after artillery strike just being like Oh you artillery strike just being like Oh you artillery strike just being like Oh you guys left and the the fun began so they guys left and the the fun began so they guys left and the the fun began so they they take it in good spirit I was trying they take it in good spirit I was trying they take it in good spirit I was trying to use their energy to reassure myself to use their energy to reassure myself to use their energy to reassure myself but I guess when they see it every day but I guess when they see it every day but I guess when they see it every day it's they're kind of more adjusted to it it's they're kind of more adjusted to it it's they're kind of more adjusted to it they're not like they're not freaking they're not like they're not freaking they're not like they're not freaking out every time something crazy like that out every time something crazy like that out every time something crazy like that goes on well they have to right they goes on well they have to right they goes on well they have to right they have to be in good spirit you have to be

have to be in good spirit you have to be have to be in good spirit you have to be joking and laughing and yeah the guys joking and laughing and yeah the guys joking and laughing and yeah the guys are always laughing and joking they were are always laughing and joking they were are always laughing and joking they were laughing and joking at me quite a bit laughing and joking at me quite a bit laughing and joking at me quite a bit holding weapons trying to shoot weapons holding weapons trying to shoot weapons holding weapons trying to shoot weapons and stuff they got a lot of enjoyment and stuff they got a lot of enjoyment and stuff they got a lot of enjoyment out of me shooting the RPG yeah they're out of me shooting the RPG yeah they're out of me shooting the RPG yeah they're they're probably still telling they're probably still telling they're probably still telling stories that crazy stories that crazy stories that crazy Australian American that rolled in they Australian American that rolled in they Australian American that rolled in they help they helped me out though in my help they helped me out though in my help they helped me out though in my marketing campaign for the tournament we marketing campaign for the tournament we marketing campaign for the tournament we were able to secure a l classic Soviet were able to secure a l classic Soviet were able to secure a l classic Soviet Union car mhm we towed it we painted it Union car mhm we towed it we painted it Union car mhm we towed it we painted it with the logos of the other event the with the logos of the other event the with the logos of the other event the ADCC yeah and we got to shoot some RPGs ADCC yeah and we got to shoot some RPGs ADCC yeah and we got to shoot some RPGs at it yeah great experience great fun at it yeah great experience great fun at it yeah great experience great fun yeah it's a very creative marketing yeah it's a very creative marketing yeah it's a very creative marketing campaign very dangerous one I don't campaign very dangerous one I don't campaign very dangerous one I don't think like Coke or Pepsi are going to do think like Coke or Pepsi are going to do think like Coke or Pepsi are going to do that one so it's very very Innovative it that one so it's very very Innovative it that one so it's very very Innovative it was a bold move luckily they let me get was a bold move luckily they let me get was a bold move luckily they let me get away with posting it but when we were away with posting it but when we were away with posting it but when we were there it was at a basically at a there it was at a basically at a there it was at a basically at a shooting range and we cleared them out shooting range and we cleared them out shooting range and we cleared them out for a while so we'd blown up the car we' for a while so we'd blown up the car we' for a while so we'd blown up the car we' set it on fire we'd done all this sort set it on fire we'd done all this sort set it on fire we'd done all this sort of stuff I remember we we were trying to of stuff I remember we we were trying to of stuff I remember we we were trying to blow it up it wasn't quite hitting one blow it up it wasn't quite hitting one blow it up it wasn't quite hitting one of the missiles was lodged in under the of the missiles was lodged in under the of the missiles was lodged in under the car so it's kind of risky that could car so it's kind of risky that could car so it's kind of risky that could have gone off at any moment but we have gone off at any moment but we have gone off at any moment but we needed to get it to ignite we needed to needed to get it to ignite we needed to needed to get it to ignite we needed to get a shot where it was on fire the logo get a shot where it was on fire the logo get a shot where it was on fire the logo of the enemy tournament was basically on of the enemy tournament was basically on of the enemy tournament was basically on fire so we poured gasoline on it we shot fire so we poured gasoline on it we shot fire so we poured gasoline on it we shot the gasoline tank the gasoline tank the gasoline tank that didn't work that must be a movie that didn't work that must be a movie that didn't work that must be a movie trick or something and then we decided trick or something and then we decided trick or something and then we decided we'd light on fire a rag and just throw we'd light on fire a rag and just throw we'd light on fire a rag and just throw it into the blowing out back window MH it into the blowing out back window MH it into the blowing out back window MH so I'm with this guy special forces guy so I'm with this guy special forces guy so I'm with this guy special forces guy and we throw the rag in the back like and we throw the rag in the back like and we throw the rag in the back like soaked in gasoline rag yeah and we start

soaked in gasoline rag yeah and we start soaked in gasoline rag yeah and we start running and he's like stop stop he's running and he's like stop stop he's running and he's like stop stop he's like it didn't go off so we're sitting like it didn't go off so we're sitting like it didn't go off so we're sitting there quite close to the car lighting it there quite close to the car lighting it there quite close to the car lighting it trying to light more as we walk back to trying to light more as we walk back to trying to light more as we walk back to the car and then we just hear the car the car and then we just hear the car the car and then we just hear the car ignite and he's like run run run so we ignite and he's like run run run so we ignite and he's like run run run so we came quite close to death already at came quite close to death already at came quite close to death already at that point but we wanted to get this that point but we wanted to get this that point but we wanted to get this shot with some photos in front of the shot with some photos in front of the shot with some photos in front of the burning logos but we told the guys at burning logos but we told the guys at burning logos but we told the guys at the shooting range to basically give us the shooting range to basically give us the shooting range to basically give us 10 minutes or so so we could take the 10 minutes or so so we could take the 10 minutes or so so we could take the photos I don't know if they didn't wait photos I don't know if they didn't wait photos I don't know if they didn't wait the full 10 minutes or if we took too the full 10 minutes or if we took too the full 10 minutes or if we took too long but they started firing at the long but they started firing at the long but they started firing at the targets anyway and then the ricochets targets anyway and then the ricochets targets anyway and then the ricochets were flying very very close to us over were flying very very close to us over were flying very very close to us over our head One landed right by my leg our head One landed right by my leg our head One landed right by my leg we're like we better get out of we're like we better get out of we're like we better get out of here obviously not much safety concerns here obviously not much safety concerns here obviously not much safety concerns at that point but we survived basically at that point but we survived basically at that point but we survived basically artillery strikes we survived a bit of artillery strikes we survived a bit of artillery strikes we survived a bit of friendly fire with the bullets coming friendly fire with the bullets coming friendly fire with the bullets coming our way but again I was strangely calm our way but again I was strangely calm our way but again I was strangely calm because the other guys were calm but because the other guys were calm but because the other guys were calm but then afterwards they were they said to then afterwards they were they said to then afterwards they were they said to me they were like oh bro if you got shot me they were like oh bro if you got shot me they were like oh bro if you got shot we' just have to dump your body at the we' just have to dump your body at the we' just have to dump your body at the hospital we wouldn't be able to explain hospital we wouldn't be able to explain hospital we wouldn't be able to explain why you're here blowing up cars right why you're here blowing up cars right why you're here blowing up cars right right and you're American and athlete right and you're American and athlete right and you're American and athlete International Celebrity they'd be like International Celebrity they'd be like International Celebrity they'd be like what is what is he doing on the front what is what is he doing on the front what is what is he doing on the front line there's no real good explanation line there's no real good explanation line there's no real good explanation for it but I mean through even through for it but I mean through even through for it but I mean through even through the jokes and stuff it's good to like the jokes and stuff it's good to like the jokes and stuff it's good to like highlight what's actually kind of highlight what's actually kind of highlight what's actually kind of happening over there you know it's happening over there you know it's happening over there you know it's obviously very very bad what's the obviously very very bad what's the obviously very very bad what's the morale of the soldiers like is there morale of the soldiers like is there morale of the soldiers like is there still an optimism is there still a hope still an optimism is there still a hope still an optimism is there still a hope I mean the the sort of the battle I mean the the sort of the battle I mean the the sort of the battle fatigue you know and as they say like

fatigue you know and as they say like fatigue you know and as they say like all the heroes die early you know the all the heroes die early you know the all the heroes die early you know the guys that the real heroes that are guys that the real heroes that are guys that the real heroes that are willing to sacrifice themselves they're willing to sacrifice themselves they're willing to sacrifice themselves they're the ones that are going to get taken out the ones that are going to get taken out the ones that are going to get taken out quick unfortunately that's the reality quick unfortunately that's the reality quick unfortunately that's the reality for them over there but their thoughts for them over there but their thoughts for them over there but their thoughts are mostly that it's going to be a are mostly that it's going to be a are mostly that it's going to be a prolonged War like when I ask them about prolonged War like when I ask them about prolonged War like when I ask them about how fast the front line moves they're how fast the front line moves they're how fast the front line moves they're like oh could take 6 months to move 1 like oh could take 6 months to move 1 like oh could take 6 months to move 1 200 meters yeah so it just feels like 200 meters yeah so it just feels like 200 meters yeah so it just feels like it's going to go on forever and from the it's going to go on forever and from the it's going to go on forever and from the Ukrainian side's P perspective those Ukrainian side's P perspective those Ukrainian side's P perspective those guys talk to me about how when they hear guys talk to me about how when they hear guys talk to me about how when they hear radio intercepts of Russian soldiers radio intercepts of Russian soldiers radio intercepts of Russian soldiers marching to the same front line spot is marching to the same front line spot is marching to the same front line spot is that that that basically they're marching into certain basically they're marching into certain basically they're marching into certain death at certain level locations and death at certain level locations and death at certain level locations and based on the radio based on the radio based on the radio Transmissions they know they're going to Transmissions they know they're going to Transmissions they know they're going to die but they head forth anyway straight die but they head forth anyway straight die but they head forth anyway straight forward into a Ukrainian position which forward into a Ukrainian position which forward into a Ukrainian position which is just wild to me I guess like World is just wild to me I guess like World is just wild to me I guess like World War II they just keep throwing troops at War II they just keep throwing troops at War II they just keep throwing troops at it and you see a ton of footage they it and you see a ton of footage they it and you see a ton of footage they take themselves which is just take themselves which is just take themselves which is just mind-blowing obviously some of this mind-blowing obviously some of this mind-blowing obviously some of this footage doesn't make it to the internet footage doesn't make it to the internet footage doesn't make it to the internet because it's got important sort of because it's got important sort of because it's got important sort of details in those conflicts but like details in those conflicts but like details in those conflicts but like they're showing firstperson perspectives they're showing firstperson perspectives they're showing firstperson perspectives of trench warfare it's just crazy to see of trench warfare it's just crazy to see of trench warfare it's just crazy to see what some of these guys have have gone what some of these guys have have gone what some of these guys have have gone through so I went to a lot of the same through so I went to a lot of the same through so I went to a lot of the same places as well including places as well including places as well including Heron um what was your sense of the Heron um what was your sense of the Heron um what was your sense of the place Kon was like it was just so place Kon was like it was just so place Kon was like it was just so destroyed I think at this point most of destroyed I think at this point most of destroyed I think at this point most of the civilians are

the civilians are the civilians are gone I saw a lot of just elderly people gone I saw a lot of just elderly people gone I saw a lot of just elderly people left behind especially a lot of old men left behind especially a lot of old men left behind especially a lot of old men and I just think they're just like hey and I just think they're just like hey and I just think they're just like hey I've lived here my whole life I'm just I've lived here my whole life I'm just I've lived here my whole life I'm just never leaving so no matter the level never leaving so no matter the level never leaving so no matter the level danger those guys just remain and then danger those guys just remain and then danger those guys just remain and then for the it's largely just I guess for the it's largely just I guess for the it's largely just I guess military and curs on but that place felt military and curs on but that place felt military and curs on but that place felt very very dangerous I didn't realize very very dangerous I didn't realize very very dangerous I didn't realize until we got there just quite how until we got there just quite how until we got there just quite how destroyed it is how did that experience destroyed it is how did that experience destroyed it is how did that experience change you just seeing War head on how change you just seeing War head on how change you just seeing War head on how it change me I guess just realizing a it change me I guess just realizing a it change me I guess just realizing a lot of these soldiers are just like you lot of these soldiers are just like you lot of these soldiers are just like you you kind of distance yourself from them you kind of distance yourself from them you kind of distance yourself from them thinking that they're something separate thinking that they're something separate thinking that they're something separate but really speaking to a lot of the but really speaking to a lot of the but really speaking to a lot of the Ukrainian soldiers like my friend Roman Ukrainian soldiers like my friend Roman Ukrainian soldiers like my friend Roman he hadn't lived in Ukraine for 8 years he hadn't lived in Ukraine for 8 years he hadn't lived in Ukraine for 8 years he lived in France he had a life he's he lived in France he had a life he's he lived in France he had a life he's got a wife over there he's got a got a wife over there he's got a got a wife over there he's got a daughter he basically volunteered to daughter he basically volunteered to daughter he basically volunteered to come back to protect his uh mom and come back to protect his uh mom and come back to protect his uh mom and brother who still lived there so it's brother who still lived there so it's brother who still lived there so it's like you sort of I used to view them like you sort of I used to view them like you sort of I used to view them military guys cuz in Australia and I military guys cuz in Australia and I military guys cuz in Australia and I guess in the US they don't have this guess in the US they don't have this guess in the US they don't have this conscription ongoing right now you know conscription ongoing right now you know conscription ongoing right now you know what I mean like whereas obviously this what I mean like whereas obviously this what I mean like whereas obviously this guy's like like Roman who volunteered guy's like like Roman who volunteered guy's like like Roman who volunteered but then there's a lot of Ukrainian but then there's a lot of Ukrainian but then there's a lot of Ukrainian soldiers that were conscripted into the soldiers that were conscripted into the soldiers that were conscripted into the war so it's like you just realize how a war so it's like you just realize how a war so it's like you just realize how a lot of these guys are Everyday People lot of these guys are Everyday People lot of these guys are Everyday People they're just in this crazy situation they're just in this crazy situation they're just in this crazy situation like where Roman felt obligated to like where Roman felt obligated to like where Roman felt obligated to return to Ukraine like from my return to Ukraine like from my return to Ukraine like from my perspective anyone in from Australia or

perspective anyone in from Australia or perspective anyone in from Australia or us just it's just a different us just it's just a different us just it's just a different perspective on like those they feel perspective on like those they feel perspective on like those they feel different to the regular people fighting different to the regular people fighting different to the regular people fighting in Ukraine from my perspective yeah in Ukraine from my perspective yeah in Ukraine from my perspective yeah defending the land that is your home defending the land that is your home defending the land that is your home yeah like Japan was coming for Australia yeah like Japan was coming for Australia yeah like Japan was coming for Australia I guess in World War II they attacked I guess in World War II they attacked I guess in World War II they attacked the north but really there was no foot the north but really there was no foot the north but really there was no foot battle and there was no soldiers on the battle and there was no soldiers on the battle and there was no soldiers on the ground within Australia guess us too ground within Australia guess us too ground within Australia guess us too during World War II so it's like a during World War II so it's like a during World War II so it's like a completely different completely different completely different perspective from our recent histories perspective from our recent histories perspective from our recent histories compared to like if you were a Ukrainian compared to like if you were a Ukrainian compared to like if you were a Ukrainian and there's Russians within the defined and there's Russians within the defined and there's Russians within the defined border their responsibility to protect border their responsibility to protect border their responsibility to protect their Homeland and their family is just their Homeland and their family is just their Homeland and their family is just something you can't imagine but also something you can't imagine but also something you can't imagine but also after having spent time with them you after having spent time with them you after having spent time with them you can see why they feel such a strong can see why they feel such a strong can see why they feel such a strong sense of obligation to protect uh to sense of obligation to protect uh to sense of obligation to protect uh to protect Ukraine protect their family and protect Ukraine protect their family and protect Ukraine protect their family and friends and in a lot of cases friends and in a lot of cases friends and in a lot of cases uh the the soldiers are using their own uh the the soldiers are using their own uh the the soldiers are using their own funds to buy funds to buy funds to buy equipment uh whether it's bullets equipment uh whether it's bullets equipment uh whether it's bullets whether it's guns whether it's armor is whether it's guns whether it's armor is whether it's guns whether it's armor is that's still what you saw yeah I mean in that's still what you saw yeah I mean in that's still what you saw yeah I mean in terms of the weapons America provides terms of the weapons America provides terms of the weapons America provides weapons so we saw a wide selection of weapons so we saw a wide selection of weapons so we saw a wide selection of weapons some of those would be old weapons some of those would be old weapons some of those would be old Soviet weapons like obviously the RPG we Soviet weapons like obviously the RPG we Soviet weapons like obviously the RPG we shot and what we shot out of it is all shot and what we shot out of it is all shot and what we shot out of it is all Soviet it's very old weaponry and then Soviet it's very old weaponry and then Soviet it's very old weaponry and then you've got us weapons that have been you've got us weapons that have been you've got us weapons that have been given as well but in terms of the basic given as well but in terms of the basic given as well but in terms of the basic soldiers equipment like if they want

soldiers equipment like if they want soldiers equipment like if they want good quality stuff that might be the good quality stuff that might be the good quality stuff that might be the difference between them surviving the difference between them surviving the difference between them surviving the winter or the summer just an extreme winter or the summer just an extreme winter or the summer just an extreme temperature range like they have to pay temperature range like they have to pay temperature range like they have to pay for that all themselves so they always for that all themselves so they always for that all themselves so they always joke about when foreign soldiers come joke about when foreign soldiers come joke about when foreign soldiers come over to train them or they a lot of over to train them or they a lot of over to train them or they a lot of foreign soldiers come to learn about foreign soldiers come to learn about foreign soldiers come to learn about sort of the Drone technology they've sort of the Drone technology they've sort of the Drone technology they've developed on a budget is they always developed on a budget is they always developed on a budget is they always joke with them about how like everything joke with them about how like everything joke with them about how like everything from most countries is basically from most countries is basically from most countries is basically supplied all the good quality standard supplied all the good quality standard supplied all the good quality standard equipment they' need is just supplied by equipment they' need is just supplied by equipment they' need is just supplied by the government but in Ukraine obviously the government but in Ukraine obviously the government but in Ukraine obviously funding is very stretched so these guys funding is very stretched so these guys funding is very stretched so these guys to have the best equipment they have to to have the best equipment they have to to have the best equipment they have to basically find money to pay for it basically find money to pay for it basically find money to pay for it themselves and they'll do that by themselves and they'll do that by themselves and they'll do that by seeking donations best way to get seeking donations best way to get seeking donations best way to get donations would be to grow social media donations would be to grow social media donations would be to grow social media profiles so that's when you see a lot of profiles so that's when you see a lot of profiles so that's when you see a lot of sort of social media Warfare from a sort of social media Warfare from a sort of social media Warfare from a perspective of gaining Fame to secure perspective of gaining Fame to secure perspective of gaining Fame to secure donations for the Battalion to be able donations for the Battalion to be able donations for the Battalion to be able to fight better or protect themselves to fight better or protect themselves to fight better or protect themselves and also some of the social media and also some of the social media and also some of the social media Warfare I guess is psychological warfare Warfare I guess is psychological warfare Warfare I guess is psychological warfare against the enemy yeah you'll see like against the enemy yeah you'll see like against the enemy yeah you'll see like private telegram groups where they're private telegram groups where they're private telegram groups where they're showing what they've done to the enemy showing what they've done to the enemy showing what they've done to the enemy what the enemy's done to them it's just what the enemy's done to them it's just what the enemy's done to them it's just it's just crazy it's just crazy it's just crazy yeah there's telegram groups on both yeah there's telegram groups on both yeah there's telegram groups on both sides and it's basically some of it is sides and it's basically some of it is sides and it's basically some of it is propaganda some of it is psychological propaganda some of it is psychological propaganda some of it is psychological warfare some of it is just the human warfare some of it is just the human warfare some of it is just the human nature of being like of increasing your nature of being like of increasing your nature of being like of increasing your own morale and the morale of the people own morale and the morale of the people own morale and the morale of the people around you by showing off successfully around you by showing off successfully around you by showing off successfully killing other human beings which are killing other human beings which are killing other human beings which are made other in

made other in made other in War uh and the nature of this war has War uh and the nature of this war has War uh and the nature of this war has has evolved so drones have become more has evolved so drones have become more has evolved so drones have become more and more and more and more prevalent of consumer level cheap drones prevalent of consumer level cheap drones prevalent of consumer level cheap drones can you speak to that have you seen have can you speak to that have you seen have can you speak to that have you seen have you seen the use of fbv fpv drones yeah you seen the use of fbv fpv drones yeah you seen the use of fbv fpv drones yeah so I mean basically like a $300 to $500 so I mean basically like a $300 to $500 so I mean basically like a $300 to $500 drone I think it's like carbon fiber 3D drone I think it's like carbon fiber 3D drone I think it's like carbon fiber 3D printed they can add attach different printed they can add attach different printed they can add attach different forms of Weaponry to it whether it's forms of Weaponry to it whether it's forms of Weaponry to it whether it's just dropping a frag they could drop a just dropping a frag they could drop a just dropping a frag they could drop a mine out of it I know they were talking mine out of it I know they were talking mine out of it I know they were talking about how they had a liquid that could about how they had a liquid that could about how they had a liquid that could basically burn through sort of a lot of basically burn through sort of a lot of basically burn through sort of a lot of cars and tanks so the person inside cars and tanks so the person inside cars and tanks so the person inside would basically melt alive which sounds would basically melt alive which sounds would basically melt alive which sounds horrible but what's mind- blowing me you horrible but what's mind- blowing me you horrible but what's mind- blowing me you could have like a $3 million Russian could have like a $3 million Russian could have like a $3 million Russian tank that could be destroyed by a tank that could be destroyed by a tank that could be destroyed by a $300 drone which is just crazy how fast $300 drone which is just crazy how fast $300 drone which is just crazy how fast the war changes I think they're kind of the war changes I think they're kind of the war changes I think they're kind of the world leaders in budget drone the world leaders in budget drone the world leaders in budget drone technology they didn't obviously don't technology they didn't obviously don't technology they didn't obviously don't have the budget for these crazy have the budget for these crazy have the budget for these crazy elaborate uh massive drones I did see elaborate uh massive drones I did see elaborate uh massive drones I did see some higher budget bigger drones over some higher budget bigger drones over some higher budget bigger drones over there but for the most part those fpv there but for the most part those fpv there but for the most part those fpv drones is really how most of the battles drones is really how most of the battles drones is really how most of the battles are fought and you're seeing the um are fought and you're seeing the um are fought and you're seeing the um you're seeing the Hamas on them so you you're seeing the Hamas on them so you you're seeing the Hamas on them so you can see like basically kamakazi drone can see like basically kamakazi drone can see like basically kamakazi drone will chase someone down and they have will chase someone down and they have will chase someone down and they have that footage and that's what the police that footage and that's what the police that footage and that's what the police chief said to me when he he gifted me chief said to me when he he gifted me chief said to me when he he gifted me one of the drones they used and he one of the drones they used and he one of the drones they used and he basically said he's like artillery is basically said he's like artillery is basically said he's like artillery is scary but a drone Will Follow You into a scary but a drone Will Follow You into a scary but a drone Will Follow You into a building it's like kind of a haunting building it's like kind of a haunting building it's like kind of a haunting thing to think about like they'll see thing to think about like they'll see thing to think about like they'll see the Drone they'll hear the Drone they

the Drone they'll hear the Drone they the Drone they'll hear the Drone they might try to shoot it down or they might might try to shoot it down or they might might try to shoot it down or they might try to run but if it's a kamakazi one try to run but if it's a kamakazi one try to run but if it's a kamakazi one those guys are pretty good at find them those guys are pretty good at find them those guys are pretty good at find them it's going to chase the soldiers down a it's going to chase the soldiers down a it's going to chase the soldiers down a lot of soldiers like pretending to be lot of soldiers like pretending to be lot of soldiers like pretending to be dead it's it's really crazy some of the dead it's it's really crazy some of the dead it's it's really crazy some of the footage out there of those fpv DRS so footage out there of those fpv DRS so footage out there of those fpv DRS so it's a terrifying tool of war and Tool it's a terrifying tool of war and Tool it's a terrifying tool of war and Tool of psychological war and used by both of psychological war and used by both of psychological war and used by both sides increasingly yeah both sides use sides increasingly yeah both sides use sides increasingly yeah both sides use it I remember I was with Roman in it I remember I was with Roman in it I remember I was with Roman in Marseilles and he had his break period Marseilles and he had his break period Marseilles and he had his break period he was allowed to leave the country he was allowed to leave the country he was allowed to leave the country because he's volunt he basically because he's volunt he basically because he's volunt he basically volunteered to join the Army Ukrainian volunteered to join the Army Ukrainian volunteered to join the Army Ukrainian men can't really leave Ukraine right now men can't really leave Ukraine right now men can't really leave Ukraine right now but Roman I was in Mars and this was a but Roman I was in Mars and this was a but Roman I was in Mars and this was a surreal experience for him we went to surreal experience for him we went to surreal experience for him we went to the beach and there was some tourists the beach and there was some tourists the beach and there was some tourists there flying a drone and you just saw there flying a drone and you just saw there flying a drone and you just saw his instinctual reaction to that drone his instinctual reaction to that drone his instinctual reaction to that drone sound in the sky flashback to sound in the sky flashback to sound in the sky flashback to that currently they're all as far as I that currently they're all as far as I that currently they're all as far as I know all human controlled so fpv but to know all human controlled so fpv but to know all human controlled so fpv but to me increasingly terrifying notion is of me increasingly terrifying notion is of me increasingly terrifying notion is of them becoming autonomous it's the best them becoming autonomous it's the best them becoming autonomous it's the best way to defend against the Drone that's way to defend against the Drone that's way to defend against the Drone that's fpv controlled is for AI to be fpv controlled is for AI to be fpv controlled is for AI to be controlling that drone just have swarms controlling that drone just have swarms controlling that drone just have swarms of drones that are $500 controlled by AI of drones that are $500 controlled by AI of drones that are $500 controlled by AI systems and that's systems and that's systems and that's a terrifying possibility that the future a terrifying possibility that the future a terrifying possibility that the future of warfare is essentially swarms of of warfare is essentially swarms of of warfare is essentially swarms of drones on both sides and then maybe drones on both sides and then maybe drones on both sides and then maybe swarms of drones say between us and swarms of drones say between us and swarms of drones say between us and China over Taiwan that would be wild China over Taiwan that would be wild China over Taiwan that would be wild because I mean they do those crazy drone because I mean they do those crazy drone because I mean they do those crazy drone L shows where they do those performances

L shows where they do those performances L shows where they do those performances with the lights and stuff so they're with the lights and stuff so they're with the lights and stuff so they're already pretty sophisticated with sort already pretty sophisticated with sort already pretty sophisticated with sort of pre-programming those are of pre-programming those are of pre-programming those are pre-programmed so the the lowle control pre-programmed so the the lowle control pre-programmed so the the lowle control flight control of those is done flight control of those is done flight control of those is done autonomously but there's a interface for autonomously but there's a interface for autonomously but there's a interface for doing the choreography that's hardcoded doing the choreography that's hardcoded doing the choreography that's hardcoded in but adding increasing levels of in but adding increasing levels of in but adding increasing levels of intelligence to a drone where you can intelligence to a drone where you can intelligence to a drone where you can detect another drone follow it and detect another drone follow it and detect another drone follow it and defend yourself like in terms of the the defend yourself like in terms of the the defend yourself like in terms of the the military on both sides of the Ukraine military on both sides of the Ukraine military on both sides of the Ukraine war that's that's a that's a technology war that's that's a that's a technology war that's that's a that's a technology that's like the Most Wanted technology that's like the Most Wanted technology that's like the Most Wanted technology is drone defense like how do you defend is drone defense like how do you defend is drone defense like how do you defend against drones on both sides and anybody against drones on both sides and anybody against drones on both sides and anybody that come up with an autonomous drone that come up with an autonomous drone that come up with an autonomous drone technology is going toh help whichever technology is going toh help whichever technology is going toh help whichever side uses that technology to gain a side uses that technology to gain a side uses that technology to gain a military advantage and so there's a huge military advantage and so there's a huge military advantage and so there's a huge incentive to build that technology but incentive to build that technology but incentive to build that technology but then of course once both sides are then of course once both sides are then of course once both sides are starting using that technology then starting using that technology then starting using that technology then there's swarms of autonomous drones who there's swarms of autonomous drones who there's swarms of autonomous drones who don't give a about humans just don't give a about humans just don't give a about humans just killing everything in sight on both killing everything in sight on both killing everything in sight on both sides and that that that's that's sides and that that that's that's sides and that that that's that's terrifying there civilian deaths that terrifying there civilian deaths that terrifying there civilian deaths that are possible that are terrifying are possible that are terrifying are possible that are terrifying especially when you look 10 20 30 40 50 especially when you look 10 20 30 40 50 especially when you look 10 20 30 40 50 years from now yes I mean surreal like years from now yes I mean surreal like years from now yes I mean surreal like when we went to Kon he was like uh the when we went to Kon he was like uh the when we went to Kon he was like uh the entire sky is just full of full of entire sky is just full of full of entire sky is just full of full of drones at any given time they could drones at any given time they could drones at any given time they could decide to come and attack so like just decide to come and attack so like just decide to come and attack so like just the they could just sit there forever the they could just sit there forever the they could just sit there forever waiting waiting for you to come out of waiting waiting for you to come out of waiting waiting for you to come out of that building they'll wait a long time that building they'll wait a long time that building they'll wait a long time when someone goes and hides inside or when someone goes and hides inside or when someone goes and hides inside or potentially if it's open window fly potentially if it's open window fly potentially if it's open window fly straight through the open window to get straight through the open window to get straight through the open window to get it to get people yeah so you're not even

it to get people yeah so you're not even it to get people yeah so you're not even safe indoors yeah there's nowhere to safe indoors yeah there's nowhere to safe indoors yeah there's nowhere to hide and they can wait for a very very hide and they can wait for a very very hide and they can wait for a very very long time and as far as I know even long time and as far as I know even long time and as far as I know even politicians like you're in danger politicians like you're in danger politicians like you're in danger everywhere in everywhere in everywhere in Ukraine so if if you want to do a public Ukraine so if if you want to do a public Ukraine so if if you want to do a public speaking thing and doing it outside speaking thing and doing it outside speaking thing and doing it outside you're in danger because it's very you're in danger because it's very you're in danger because it's very difficult to detect those drones it difficult to detect those drones it difficult to detect those drones it could be anywhere so it's a could be anywhere so it's a could be anywhere so it's a terrifying life where you don't know if terrifying life where you don't know if terrifying life where you don't know if you're safe at any moment anywhere in you're safe at any moment anywhere in you're safe at any moment anywhere in Ukraine well sure I mean it's crazy with Ukraine well sure I mean it's crazy with Ukraine well sure I mean it's crazy with what happened to Trump I thought maybe what happened to Trump I thought maybe what happened to Trump I thought maybe the next attack on a public figure might the next attack on a public figure might the next attack on a public figure might come in the form of drone technology come in the form of drone technology come in the form of drone technology something sort of something along those something sort of something along those something sort of something along those lines I wonder how they protect against lines I wonder how they protect against lines I wonder how they protect against that here if that happens just imagine that here if that happens just imagine that here if that happens just imagine the insanity that would ensue cuz we the insanity that would ensue cuz we the insanity that would ensue cuz we understand the idea of a gunman with a understand the idea of a gunman with a understand the idea of a gunman with a rifle shooting somebody but just like a rifle shooting somebody but just like a rifle shooting somebody but just like a drone they just imagine the conspiracy drone they just imagine the conspiracy drone they just imagine the conspiracy theories who controlled that drone where theories who controlled that drone where theories who controlled that drone where did it come from yeah and now everybody did it come from yeah and now everybody did it come from yeah and now everybody I mean that would just cause chaos and I mean that would just cause chaos and I mean that would just cause chaos and the range is ever increasing one of the the range is ever increasing one of the the range is ever increasing one of the battalions in Ukraine cuz the those fpv battalions in Ukraine cuz the those fpv battalions in Ukraine cuz the those fpv drones have short range pretty short drones have short range pretty short drones have short range pretty short range but they were able to attach it to range but they were able to attach it to range but they were able to attach it to one of the larger drones with a signal one of the larger drones with a signal one of the larger drones with a signal booster so that it could potentially go booster so that it could potentially go booster so that it could potentially go up to 30 40 km into the distance so the up to 30 40 km into the distance so the up to 30 40 km into the distance so the Drone that hits you could be flown by Drone that hits you could be flown by Drone that hits you could be flown by someone so far away from you and if they someone so far away from you and if they someone so far away from you and if they did that domestically that would be very did that domestically that would be very did that domestically that would be very frightening to think of the sphere of frightening to think of the sphere of frightening to think of the sphere of where it could have come from do they where it could have come from do they where it could have come from do they when you talked to the soldiers there

when you talked to the soldiers there when you talked to the soldiers there did they have a hope or a vision how the did they have a hope or a vision how the did they have a hope or a vision how the war will end war will end war will end not really it just see I guess it just not really it just see I guess it just not really it just see I guess it just seems to everyone that it's sort of seems to everyone that it's sort of seems to everyone that it's sort of there's going to be no middle ground there's going to be no middle ground there's going to be no middle ground when I was there there's a kind of when I was there there's a kind of when I was there there's a kind of optimism that they would be optimism that they would be optimism that they would be victorious like victorious like victorious like definitively and uh so is there still definitively and uh so is there still definitively and uh so is there still that optimism and that optimism and that optimism and also are they ready for prolonged War I also are they ready for prolonged War I also are they ready for prolonged War I mean I think it would be a soldier by mean I think it would be a soldier by mean I think it would be a soldier by Soldier basis I know like um each of Soldier basis I know like um each of Soldier basis I know like um each of them had a different perspective I them had a different perspective I them had a different perspective I remember I would ask him about like in remember I would ask him about like in remember I would ask him about like in terms of us politics and their fears cuz terms of us politics and their fears cuz terms of us politics and their fears cuz the first trip I went there us hadn't the first trip I went there us hadn't the first trip I went there us hadn't agreed to resupply weapons so it was a agreed to resupply weapons so it was a agreed to resupply weapons so it was a very different feeling in the air there very different feeling in the air there very different feeling in the air there of concern over what was going to happen of concern over what was going to happen of concern over what was going to happen but they still remained quite optimistic but they still remained quite optimistic but they still remained quite optimistic that no matter who got in they felt that no matter who got in they felt that no matter who got in they felt would do the right thing but in terms of would do the right thing but in terms of would do the right thing but in terms of prolonged War most people think it's prolonged War most people think it's prolonged War most people think it's going to go for a very long time like going to go for a very long time like going to go for a very long time like the Children's Hospital that just uh was the Children's Hospital that just uh was the Children's Hospital that just uh was bombed in ke anytime there's a moment bombed in ke anytime there's a moment bombed in ke anytime there's a moment like that that reignites everything and like that that reignites everything and like that that reignites everything and I think it happens on both sides so I I think it happens on both sides so I I think it happens on both sides so I know that there was an attack in uh know that there was an attack in uh know that there was an attack in uh cremier there was an attack on a beach I cremier there was an attack on a beach I cremier there was an attack on a beach I guess um and I don't know attacking the guess um and I don't know attacking the guess um and I don't know attacking the hospital was retribution for that but hospital was retribution for that but hospital was retribution for that but that's sort of the energy that is felt that's sort of the energy that is felt that's sort of the energy that is felt like um they might have battle fatigue like um they might have battle fatigue like um they might have battle fatigue but when something happens to civilians

but when something happens to civilians but when something happens to civilians especially kids on your side kind of especially kids on your side kind of especially kids on your side kind of reinvigorates the energy to fight for as reinvigorates the energy to fight for as reinvigorates the energy to fight for as long as necessary and in terms of a long as necessary and in terms of a long as necessary and in terms of a case-by case basis one of my friends case-by case basis one of my friends case-by case basis one of my friends Demitri over there who transitu own jym Demitri over there who transitu own jym Demitri over there who transitu own jym he was very passionate about it just he was very passionate about it just he was very passionate about it just because of the history like he brought because of the history like he brought because of the history like he brought out documents of his grandfather being out documents of his grandfather being out documents of his grandfather being executed by the USSR so I know that when executed by the USSR so I know that when executed by the USSR so I know that when the war started he basically he took a a the war started he basically he took a a the war started he basically he took a a bicycle helmet in his AK-47 and went out bicycle helmet in his AK-47 and went out bicycle helmet in his AK-47 and went out into the streets and he's like I'd into the streets and he's like I'd into the streets and he's like I'd rather be dead than live under Russian rather be dead than live under Russian rather be dead than live under Russian rule again so I mean rule again so I mean rule again so I mean very case- by case basis sort of very case- by case basis sort of very case- by case basis sort of personal history for them I think did personal history for them I think did personal history for them I think did they comment on um us politics whether they comment on um us politics whether they comment on um us politics whether they hope for Trump or for in that they hope for Trump or for in that they hope for Trump or for in that situation Biden now Harris to win the situation Biden now Harris to win the situation Biden now Harris to win the presidential election I think they most presidential election I think they most presidential election I think they most of the guys tried to keep it pretty of the guys tried to keep it pretty of the guys tried to keep it pretty positive you know what I mean like some positive you know what I mean like some positive you know what I mean like some people did think that maybe if Trump was people did think that maybe if Trump was people did think that maybe if Trump was elected he wouldn't continue to fund it elected he wouldn't continue to fund it elected he wouldn't continue to fund it but they really try to stay optimistic but they really try to stay optimistic but they really try to stay optimistic most of the people I spoke to really most of the people I spoke to really most of the people I spoke to really tried to remain optimistic that they tried to remain optimistic that they tried to remain optimistic that they would be protected if if it comes down would be protected if if it comes down would be protected if if it comes down to it like but obviously there was a to it like but obviously there was a to it like but obviously there was a 9month period where they weren't 9month period where they weren't 9month period where they weren't refunded so as that stretched obviously refunded so as that stretched obviously refunded so as that stretched obviously they're refunded now but it takes a lot they're refunded now but it takes a lot they're refunded now but it takes a lot of time to get that equipment back to of time to get that equipment back to of time to get that equipment back to the points at which they need it so I the points at which they need it so I the points at which they need it so I mean if ammunition had ran out Patriot mean if ammunition had ran out Patriot mean if ammunition had ran out Patriot defense system had ran out really really defense system had ran out really really defense system had ran out really really sort of scary prospect there I don't

sort of scary prospect there I don't sort of scary prospect there I don't know what's all I guess no one knows know what's all I guess no one knows know what's all I guess no one knows what's going to happen there but did you what's going to happen there but did you what's going to happen there but did you lie to people and say you were close to lie to people and say you were close to lie to people and say you were close to the president so they can be nice to you the president so they can be nice to you the president so they can be nice to you like so they can convince you to like so they can convince you to like so they can convince you to continue the funding I'm an Australian continue the funding I'm an Australian continue the funding I'm an Australian Diplomat over Diplomat over Diplomat over here that could be a nice way in yeah here that could be a nice way in yeah here that could be a nice way in yeah that would have been a nice way to the that would have been a nice way to the that would have been a nice way to the top um L luckily for me most of the top um L luckily for me most of the top um L luckily for me most of the place I travel to uh Jiu-Jitsu gives me place I travel to uh Jiu-Jitsu gives me place I travel to uh Jiu-Jitsu gives me access to so many different individuals access to so many different individuals access to so many different individuals it's it's super bizarre like oligarchs it's it's super bizarre like oligarchs it's it's super bizarre like oligarchs royalty I guess Tech wizard it's just royalty I guess Tech wizard it's just royalty I guess Tech wizard it's just it's a strange group of people like a it's a strange group of people like a it's a strange group of people like a cold around the world of just I get cold around the world of just I get cold around the world of just I get strange access just for being good at strange access just for being good at strange access just for being good at wrestling wrestling dudes yeah martial wrestling wrestling dudes yeah martial wrestling wrestling dudes yeah martial arts there's a there's like a code and arts there's a there's like a code and arts there's a there's like a code and there's a respect the mutual respect there's a respect the mutual respect there's a respect the mutual respect even if you don't know anything about even if you don't know anything about even if you don't know anything about the other person if you both have done the other person if you both have done the other person if you both have done martial arts I mean there's similar martial arts I mean there's similar martial arts I mean there's similar things with Judo with jiu-jitsu with things with Judo with jiu-jitsu with things with Judo with jiu-jitsu with grappling all that I don't know what grappling all that I don't know what grappling all that I don't know what that is it's like an inner cirle that's that is it's like an inner cirle that's that is it's like an inner cirle that's kind of like cuz this film Project we're kind of like cuz this film Project we're kind of like cuz this film Project we're working on it's kind of focused on that working on it's kind of focused on that working on it's kind of focused on that is uh because of the history of having is uh because of the history of having is uh because of the history of having Jiu-Jitsu and traveling and doing Jiu-Jitsu and traveling and doing Jiu-Jitsu and traveling and doing seminars and just getting access to seminars and just getting access to seminars and just getting access to strange experiences from the local strange experiences from the local strange experiences from the local strange in a positive way and strange in a positive way and strange in a positive way and participating in those experiences participating in those experiences participating in those experiences that's what I sort of wanted to focus that's what I sort of wanted to focus that's what I sort of wanted to focus this travel show on was the community of this travel show on was the community of this travel show on was the community of Jiu-Jitsu people around the world kind Jiu-Jitsu people around the world kind Jiu-Jitsu people around the world kind of really has no sort of ethnic of really has no sort of ethnic of really has no sort of ethnic background religious background even background religious background even background religious background even level of wealth like it as cheesy as it level of wealth like it as cheesy as it level of wealth like it as cheesy as it sounds kind of a good equalizer on the sounds kind of a good equalizer on the sounds kind of a good equalizer on the mats and that Community camaraderie so

mats and that Community camaraderie so mats and that Community camaraderie so there's no limits there including like there's no limits there including like there's no limits there including like mats the shittiest mats and some small mats the shittiest mats and some small mats the shittiest mats and some small town in the middle of nowhere 100% even town in the middle of nowhere 100% even town in the middle of nowhere 100% even like Shake tanon who started ADCC I know like Shake tanon who started ADCC I know like Shake tanon who started ADCC I know when he went to the US and he studied when he went to the US and he studied when he went to the US and he studied there he would train at a very simple gy there he would train at a very simple gy there he would train at a very simple gy he wouldn't declare who he was like I I he wouldn't declare who he was like I I he wouldn't declare who he was like I I watched a documentary produced about watched a documentary produced about watched a documentary produced about sort of the story of shake tanon and how sort of the story of shake tanon and how sort of the story of shake tanon and how he studied in America basically in he studied in America basically in he studied in America basically in anonymity the people at his gym didn't anonymity the people at his gym didn't anonymity the people at his gym didn't know who he was in his country and he know who he was in his country and he know who he was in his country and he trained there he trained with him for trained there he trained with him for trained there he trained with him for years cleaned the mounts like anyone years cleaned the mounts like anyone years cleaned the mounts like anyone else and then they didn't realize who he else and then they didn't realize who he else and then they didn't realize who he was until he said hey I want to invite was until he said hey I want to invite was until he said hey I want to invite you to my country but he actually meant you to my country but he actually meant you to my country but he actually meant basically as royalty come and then they basically as royalty come and then they basically as royalty come and then they realized who this guy was and the realized who this guy was and the realized who this guy was and the significance of him that's gangster significance of him that's gangster significance of him that's gangster that's great one of the things I love that's great one of the things I love that's great one of the things I love about noi Jiu-Jitsu is like you don't about noi Jiu-Jitsu is like you don't about noi Jiu-Jitsu is like you don't see rank so on a small scale there's no see rank so on a small scale there's no see rank so on a small scale there's no hierarchy that's that emerges when you hierarchy that's that emerges when you hierarchy that's that emerges when you have the different color belts have the different color belts have the different color belts everybody's kind of the same it's nice everybody's kind of the same it's nice everybody's kind of the same it's nice you get see the skill the skill speaks you get see the skill the skill speaks you get see the skill the skill speaks but there's just like a mutual respect but there's just like a mutual respect but there's just like a mutual respect and whatever I mean you can quickly find and whatever I mean you can quickly find and whatever I mean you can quickly find out who I actually wonder if I would be out who I actually wonder if I would be out who I actually wonder if I would be able to figure out the rank of a person able to figure out the rank of a person able to figure out the rank of a person you think you can can usually figure out you think you can can usually figure out you think you can can usually figure out how long a person's been doing J Jes I how long a person's been doing J Jes I how long a person's been doing J Jes I like to think with some of the like to think with some of the like to think with some of the aggressive clothing choices I've made aggressive clothing choices I've made aggressive clothing choices I've made and sold in the sport that that should and sold in the sport that that should and sold in the sport that that should be a beacon that that person is a blue be a beacon that that person is a blue be a beacon that that person is a blue belt has hopefully some Talent cuz belt has hopefully some Talent cuz belt has hopefully some Talent cuz they're fearlessly provoking the other they're fearlessly provoking the other they're fearlessly provoking the other body there oh it's it's like in the

body there oh it's it's like in the body there oh it's it's like in the jungle whenever there's like a insect jungle whenever there's like a insect jungle whenever there's like a insect that's red that it's like really that's red that it's like really that's red that it's like really flamboyant looking that means they're flamboyant looking that means they're flamboyant looking that means they're dangerous it's a Target yeah though yeah dangerous it's a Target yeah though yeah dangerous it's a Target yeah though yeah being flamboyant if you come on the mats being flamboyant if you come on the mats being flamboyant if you come on the mats with something pink pink gay or with something pink pink gay or with something pink pink gay or something people are circling in fast something people are circling in fast something people are circling in fast especially in Eastern especially in Eastern especially in Eastern Europe okay so uh yeah you mentioned the Europe okay so uh yeah you mentioned the Europe okay so uh yeah you mentioned the project can you talk about that I saw project can you talk about that I saw project can you talk about that I saw there's a preview that you showed Craig there's a preview that you showed Craig there's a preview that you showed Craig Jones gone Walkabout gone Walkabout yeah Jones gone Walkabout gone Walkabout yeah Jones gone Walkabout gone Walkabout yeah and uh so you showed a preview in and uh so you showed a preview in and uh so you showed a preview in Indonesia where you're both kind of Indonesia where you're both kind of Indonesia where you're both kind of celebrating and maybe poking a bit of celebrating and maybe poking a bit of celebrating and maybe poking a bit of fun at Hicks and Gracie Hicks and Gracie fun at Hicks and Gracie Hicks and Gracie fun at Hicks and Gracie Hicks and Gracie yes so I like to to uh match looks from yes so I like to to uh match looks from yes so I like to to uh match looks from time to time in an homage you look sexy time to time in an homage you look sexy time to time in an homage you look sexy it's comfortable actually I enjoy it it's comfortable actually I enjoy it it's comfortable actually I enjoy it yeah you should keep it I only wear this yeah you should keep it I only wear this yeah you should keep it I only wear this now I'll wear now I'll wear now I'll wear this I wear this for the Gabby match um this I wear this for the Gabby match um this I wear this for the Gabby match um I mean yeah we're trying to do a I mean yeah we're trying to do a I mean yeah we're trying to do a documentary series cuz the way I see it documentary series cuz the way I see it documentary series cuz the way I see it is I want to grow the sport of Jiu-Jitsu is I want to grow the sport of Jiu-Jitsu is I want to grow the sport of Jiu-Jitsu and every this sounds funny to say now and every this sounds funny to say now and every this sounds funny to say now cuz I'm doing a tournament but everyone cuz I'm doing a tournament but everyone cuz I'm doing a tournament but everyone tries to do it through competition but tries to do it through competition but tries to do it through competition but as we know most Jiu-Jitsu gyms you visit as we know most Jiu-Jitsu gyms you visit as we know most Jiu-Jitsu gyms you visit a very small percentage of people a very small percentage of people a very small percentage of people compete let alone compete regularly compete let alone compete regularly compete let alone compete regularly you'll go to gyms that could be brown or you'll go to gyms that could be brown or you'll go to gyms that could be brown or black belts that don't know many of the black belts that don't know many of the black belts that don't know many of the bigname competitors so my thoughts were bigname competitors so my thoughts were bigname competitors so my thoughts were we're never going to grow this sport by we're never going to grow this sport by we're never going to grow this sport by competition we're going to grow it by competition we're going to grow it by competition we're going to grow it by appealing to the large majority of appealing to the large majority of appealing to the large majority of people that do it which are just people people that do it which are just people people that do it which are just people that enjoy it for the benefits it

that enjoy it for the benefits it that enjoy it for the benefits it provides to them whether health or provides to them whether health or provides to them whether health or psychological and obviously many people psychological and obviously many people psychological and obviously many people inspired by Anthony inspired by Anthony inspired by Anthony Bourdain basically he's looking at what Bourdain basically he's looking at what Bourdain basically he's looking at what he did with food by showing the very he did with food by showing the very he did with food by showing the very interesting characters in the food interesting characters in the food interesting characters in the food culture the Food Industries especially culture the Food Industries especially culture the Food Industries especially with street food and building around with street food and building around with street food and building around that so I'm trying to look at Jiu-Jitsu that so I'm trying to look at Jiu-Jitsu that so I'm trying to look at Jiu-Jitsu like a giant cult Scientology isn't like a giant cult Scientology isn't like a giant cult Scientology isn't starting with Planet Zeno it's starting starting with Planet Zeno it's starting starting with Planet Zeno it's starting with John trod and Tom so we can create with John trod and Tom so we can create with John trod and Tom so we can create a documentary travel series highlighting a documentary travel series highlighting a documentary travel series highlighting the diverse interesting people that the diverse interesting people that the diverse interesting people that participate in the sport in that sense I participate in the sport in that sense I participate in the sport in that sense I hope we can grow up but also doing some hope we can grow up but also doing some hope we can grow up but also doing some charity work along the way like as we'll charity work along the way like as we'll charity work along the way like as we'll release the Indonesia barley episode release the Indonesia barley episode release the Indonesia barley episode pretty soon but as an pretty soon but as an pretty soon but as an Australian I do do a lot of damage Australian I do do a lot of damage Australian I do do a lot of damage culturally around the world so I'd like culturally around the world so I'd like culturally around the world so I'd like to uh do some good as well we've we've to uh do some good as well we've we've to uh do some good as well we've we've done a lot of damage to Bley so give done a lot of damage to Bley so give done a lot of damage to Bley so give back to local communities we have an back to local communities we have an back to local communities we have an Australian there that runs in Academy Australian there that runs in Academy Australian there that runs in Academy Academy Christos he's one of the guys Academy Christos he's one of the guys Academy Christos he's one of the guys we're donating a portion of the ticket we're donating a portion of the ticket we're donating a portion of the ticket sales to from our event but he basically sales to from our event but he basically sales to from our event but he basically went straight into a balones slum went straight into a balones slum went straight into a balones slum started teaching Jiu-Jitsu on a mount started teaching Jiu-Jitsu on a mount started teaching Jiu-Jitsu on a mount under a tree and then slowly through under a tree and then slowly through under a tree and then slowly through donations has built a gym and his real donations has built a gym and his real donations has built a gym and his real focus is not just taking money from focus is not just taking money from focus is not just taking money from people and gifting it to them to help people and gifting it to them to help people and gifting it to them to help the community but to teach them skills the community but to teach them skills the community but to teach them skills so he'll take a lot of the disadvantaged so he'll take a lot of the disadvantaged so he'll take a lot of the disadvantaged kids and he'll teach them things like kids and he'll teach them things like kids and he'll teach them things like photo editing so they can get that work photo editing so they can get that work photo editing so they can get that work from the internet really incredible guy

from the internet really incredible guy from the internet really incredible guy it's good to know that you see yourself it's good to know that you see yourself it's good to know that you see yourself as the J trol of Jiu-Jitsu many massas as the J trol of Jiu-Jitsu many massas as the J trol of Jiu-Jitsu many massas have accused me of the same thing have accused me of the same thing have accused me of the same thing unfortunately old lies yeah there's unfortunately old lies yeah there's unfortunately old lies yeah there's there's a lot there's a lot of there's a lot there's a lot of there's a lot there's a lot of similarities between the two of you so similarities between the two of you so similarities between the two of you so you mentioned Anthony you mentioned Anthony you mentioned Anthony Bourdain what do you like about the guy Bourdain what do you like about the guy Bourdain what do you like about the guy what do you what do you find inspiring what do you what do you find inspiring what do you what do you find inspiring and instructive about the way he was and instructive about the way he was and instructive about the way he was able to as you said scratch beneath the able to as you said scratch beneath the able to as you said scratch beneath the surface of a place I just felt like very surface of a place I just felt like very surface of a place I just felt like very authentic wasn't afraid like this is authentic wasn't afraid like this is authentic wasn't afraid like this is something I had trouble with when we something I had trouble with when we something I had trouble with when we first started doing the travel show it's first started doing the travel show it's first started doing the travel show it's easy to do a travel show if you only say easy to do a travel show if you only say easy to do a travel show if you only say positive things about a place yeah you positive things about a place yeah you positive things about a place yeah you know but he would find a very creative know but he would find a very creative know but he would find a very creative way to show what's good and bad a very way to show what's good and bad a very way to show what's good and bad a very honest reflection of the place so that's honest reflection of the place so that's honest reflection of the place so that's something I would strive to do however something I would strive to do however something I would strive to do however in some places it's very difficult you in some places it's very difficult you in some places it's very difficult you know what I mean like for example know what I mean like for example know what I mean like for example Kazakhstan if I would to say something Kazakhstan if I would to say something Kazakhstan if I would to say something negative about Kazakhstan they'd be like negative about Kazakhstan they'd be like negative about Kazakhstan they'd be like who's this yeah foreign idiot talking who's this yeah foreign idiot talking who's this yeah foreign idiot talking about our culture and I think that was about our culture and I think that was about our culture and I think that was what was incredible about balain is he what was incredible about balain is he what was incredible about balain is he could talk about both the good and bad could talk about both the good and bad could talk about both the good and bad of places and he would do it in such a of places and he would do it in such a of places and he would do it in such a way that it was tasteful and was way that it was tasteful and was way that it was tasteful and was respected by the locals yeah that's respected by the locals yeah that's respected by the locals yeah that's actually a skill that you're incredibly actually a skill that you're incredibly actually a skill that you're incredibly good at you make fun of a lot of people good at you make fun of a lot of people good at you make fun of a lot of people but there's but there's but there's something maybe there's an underlying something maybe there's an underlying something maybe there's an underlying respect maybe it's the accent maybe I respect maybe it's the accent maybe I respect maybe it's the accent maybe I don't know what it don't know what it don't know what it is there's there's a love underneath is there's there's a love underneath is there's there's a love underneath your trolling i' like to think so your trolling i' like to think so your trolling i' like to think so hopefully yeah Gabby Garcia hopefully yeah Gabby Garcia hopefully yeah Gabby Garcia a deep a deep passionate love underneath a deep a deep passionate love underneath a deep a deep passionate love underneath the trolling the trolling the trolling yeah uh speaking of which let's talk

yeah uh speaking of which let's talk yeah uh speaking of which let's talk about about about cji you're putting on the CGI tournament cji you're putting on the CGI tournament cji you're putting on the CGI tournament it's it's in about a week same weekend it's it's in about a week same weekend it's it's in about a week same weekend as ADCC $3 million budget two divisions as ADCC $3 million budget two divisions as ADCC $3 million budget two divisions and two super fights winner of each and two super fights winner of each and two super fights winner of each division gets $1 division gets $1 division gets $1 million everyone gets million everyone gets million everyone gets $110,000 how do you even say that plus $110,000 how do you even say that plus $110,000 how do you even say that plus one 10,000 plus one yeah plus one one 10,000 plus one yeah plus one one 10,000 plus one yeah plus one uh just to compete so it's August 16th uh just to compete so it's August 16th uh just to compete so it's August 16th and 17th everybody should get tickets and 17th everybody should get tickets and 17th everybody should get tickets same weekend as ADCC so which is August same weekend as ADCC so which is August same weekend as ADCC so which is August 17th okay so what's the mission what 17th okay so what's the mission what 17th okay so what's the mission what you're doing there the the mission has you're doing there the the mission has you're doing there the the mission has always been first and foremost increase always been first and foremost increase always been first and foremost increase athlete pay so ADCC has invested a ton athlete pay so ADCC has invested a ton athlete pay so ADCC has invested a ton into the sport obviously I mentioned into the sport obviously I mentioned into the sport obviously I mentioned shake tanu shake Tano's done so much for shake tanu shake Tano's done so much for shake tanu shake Tano's done so much for the sport of grappling particularly noi the sport of grappling particularly noi the sport of grappling particularly noi grappling so he's growing it he has grappling so he's growing it he has grappling so he's growing it he has funded this for a very very long time funded this for a very very long time funded this for a very very long time but we've kind of hit a point since 2017 but we've kind of hit a point since 2017 but we've kind of hit a point since 2017 where the audience the crowd watching where the audience the crowd watching where the audience the crowd watching live and at home behind a pay wall has live and at home behind a pay wall has live and at home behind a pay wall has grown considerably we had things like grown considerably we had things like grown considerably we had things like meta moris we had the Eddie Bravo meta moris we had the Eddie Bravo meta moris we had the Eddie Bravo Invitational Polaris all these sort of Invitational Polaris all these sort of Invitational Polaris all these sort of professional events that have also professional events that have also professional events that have also contributed to Growing the sport and contributed to Growing the sport and contributed to Growing the sport and obviously people like Gordon Ryan have obviously people like Gordon Ryan have obviously people like Gordon Ryan have definitely increased the popularity of definitely increased the popularity of definitely increased the popularity of the sport but the sport but the sport but the payment for ADCC has never gone up the payment for ADCC has never gone up the payment for ADCC has never gone up despite again the growth of it so what I

despite again the growth of it so what I despite again the growth of it so what I did a lot of fans were asking me earlier did a lot of fans were asking me earlier did a lot of fans were asking me earlier in the year they said c you going to do in the year they said c you going to do in the year they said c you going to do ADCC and I said that is a big commitment ADCC and I said that is a big commitment ADCC and I said that is a big commitment of time energy expenses on steroids to of time energy expenses on steroids to of time energy expenses on steroids to get my body ready for a tournament that get my body ready for a tournament that get my body ready for a tournament that I'll probably lose and if I lose on day I'll probably lose and if I lose on day I'll probably lose and if I lose on day one I make $ Z if I lose on if I lose in one I make $ Z if I lose on if I lose in one I make $ Z if I lose on if I lose in the final which I have done a couple the final which I have done a couple the final which I have done a couple times only only get $6,000 I think third times only only get $6,000 I think third times only only get $6,000 I think third place is 3,000 fourth place is 1,000 so place is 3,000 fourth place is 1,000 so place is 3,000 fourth place is 1,000 so if you make day two you get paid but for if you make day two you get paid but for if you make day two you get paid but for me personally seeing ADCC 2022 you're me personally seeing ADCC 2022 you're me personally seeing ADCC 2022 you're looking out to a soldout crowd of like looking out to a soldout crowd of like looking out to a soldout crowd of like 10,000 people it's on Flow grappling 10,000 people it's on Flow grappling 10,000 people it's on Flow grappling which you know PID quite a bit of money which you know PID quite a bit of money which you know PID quite a bit of money for the streaming rights I can't comment for the streaming rights I can't comment for the streaming rights I can't comment on what that number would be and then on what that number would be and then on what that number would be and then you go home despite having put in all you go home despite having put in all you go home despite having put in all that effort with only 6,000 and they that effort with only 6,000 and they that effort with only 6,000 and they basically the argument is you're paid an basically the argument is you're paid an basically the argument is you're paid an exposure but again there's many ways to exposure but again there's many ways to exposure but again there's many ways to expose yourself you know what I mean expose yourself you know what I mean expose yourself you know what I mean that's just one of the platforms to do that's just one of the platforms to do that's just one of the platforms to do so yeah my problem was that they so yeah my problem was that they so yeah my problem was that they announced they were going to go from announced they were going to go from announced they were going to go from Thomas and Mac to T-Mobile which is a Thomas and Mac to T-Mobile which is a Thomas and Mac to T-Mobile which is a jump in quality of Stadium but not a jump in quality of Stadium but not a jump in quality of Stadium but not a significant jump in sort of seating so significant jump in sort of seating so significant jump in sort of seating so we've gone from like 11,000 seat Arena we've gone from like 11,000 seat Arena we've gone from like 11,000 seat Arena to I think a 15 16,000 seat Arena and I to I think a 15 16,000 seat Arena and I to I think a 15 16,000 seat Arena and I knew that flow grappling would have had knew that flow grappling would have had knew that flow grappling would have had to pay more money cuz now the Sport's to pay more money cuz now the Sport's to pay more money cuz now the Sport's growing so much and I can personally growing so much and I can personally growing so much and I can personally kind of track the growth of the sport kind of track the growth of the sport kind of track the growth of the sport through selling instructional dvds through selling instructional dvds through selling instructional dvds instructional online products cuz that

instructional online products cuz that instructional online products cuz that keeps growing and we're targeting those keeps growing and we're targeting those keeps growing and we're targeting those white and blue belts vulnerable to white and blue belts vulnerable to white and blue belts vulnerable to internet marketing yeah and that internet marketing yeah and that internet marketing yeah and that audience continues to grow and those audience continues to grow and those audience continues to grow and those will be the people that largely watch will be the people that largely watch will be the people that largely watch ADCC events like this so I simply said ADCC events like this so I simply said ADCC events like this so I simply said in response to a lot of fans asking me in response to a lot of fans asking me in response to a lot of fans asking me why are you going to do ADCC and I why are you going to do ADCC and I why are you going to do ADCC and I simply made a video saying no probably simply made a video saying no probably simply made a video saying no probably not probably not it' be nice to make not probably not it' be nice to make not probably not it' be nice to make some more money and then I listed a some more money and then I listed a some more money and then I listed a bunch of sports such as bar that bunch of sports such as bar that bunch of sports such as bar that you get paid more to win bar in The you get paid more to win bar in The you get paid more to win bar in The Villages of Kazakhstan the payment Villages of Kazakhstan the payment Villages of Kazakhstan the payment structure is higher MH and I received a structure is higher MH and I received a structure is higher MH and I received a very aggressive response not from any of very aggressive response not from any of very aggressive response not from any of shake tan Hun's people but from shake tan Hun's people but from shake tan Hun's people but from basically who runs the event today one basically who runs the event today one basically who runs the event today one of those guys amongst giving me death of those guys amongst giving me death of those guys amongst giving me death threats said hey T-Mobile costs $2 threats said hey T-Mobile costs $2 threats said hey T-Mobile costs $2 million you don't know what you're million you don't know what you're million you don't know what you're talking about and in terms of business talking about and in terms of business talking about and in terms of business and production and he's probably right and production and he's probably right and production and he's probably right but to me $2 million is a waste of money but to me $2 million is a waste of money but to me $2 million is a waste of money for a Jiu-Jitsu event I don't think for a Jiu-Jitsu event I don't think for a Jiu-Jitsu event I don't think we're at that level yet like that's we're at that level yet like that's we're at that level yet like that's where the UFC host events you know $2 where the UFC host events you know $2 where the UFC host events you know $2 million that's an expensive expensive million that's an expensive expensive million that's an expensive expensive venue so we argued a bit on the internet venue so we argued a bit on the internet venue so we argued a bit on the internet and he said hey if you don't like it why and he said hey if you don't like it why and he said hey if you don't like it why don't you go get $2 million and put on don't you go get $2 million and put on don't you go get $2 million and put on your own tournament and I said I might your own tournament and I said I might your own tournament and I said I might just do that M and one of my uh just do that M and one of my uh just do that M and one of my uh Anonymous friends kindly donated a $3 Anonymous friends kindly donated a $3 Anonymous friends kindly donated a $3 million budget and I actually messaged million budget and I actually messaged million budget and I actually messaged him before the show to say hey we won't him before the show to say hey we won't him before the show to say hey we won't reveal your identity because obviously reveal your identity because obviously reveal your identity because obviously anyone that has money is going to get anyone that has money is going to get anyone that has money is going to get asked for more money or ask for money asked for more money or ask for money asked for more money or ask for money from others so he wants to remain

from others so he wants to remain from others so he wants to remain anonymous but he basically just said to anonymous but he basically just said to anonymous but he basically just said to enjoy the trolling aspect of it and also enjoy the trolling aspect of it and also enjoy the trolling aspect of it and also contribute to the sport that you dids to contribute to the sport that you dids to contribute to the sport that you dids to it's good to know that the the anonymous it's good to know that the the anonymous it's good to know that the the anonymous fun appreciates you for who you are fun appreciates you for who you are fun appreciates you for who you are Craig Jones he sees my true identity and Craig Jones he sees my true identity and Craig Jones he sees my true identity and he wants to provoke it's it's it's he wants to provoke it's it's it's he wants to provoke it's it's it's trolling for a good cause yeah but trolling for a good cause yeah but trolling for a good cause yeah but basically we were able to find Thomas basically we were able to find Thomas basically we were able to find Thomas and Mac Event Center which was their and Mac Event Center which was their and Mac Event Center which was their original venue and it just so happened original venue and it just so happened original venue and it just so happened to be available that same weekend which to be available that same weekend which to be available that same weekend which we're very happy about so we booked that we're very happy about so we booked that we're very happy about so we booked that out we decided to ADCC pays 10,000 to out we decided to ADCC pays 10,000 to out we decided to ADCC pays 10,000 to the winner we were like you know what the winner we were like you know what the winner we were like you know what we'll pay we'll pay we'll pay $110,000 plus one to show up so to show $110,000 plus one to show up so to show $110,000 plus one to show up so to show up in our event you're G to get paid up in our event you're G to get paid up in our event you're G to get paid more than to win ADCC and not only that more than to win ADCC and not only that more than to win ADCC and not only that we're gonna broadcast it for free so on we're gonna broadcast it for free so on we're gonna broadcast it for free so on meta X and YouTube you'll be able to meta X and YouTube you'll be able to meta X and YouTube you'll be able to watch this event for free that's amazing watch this event for free that's amazing watch this event for free that's amazing it's very considerate to the flow it's very considerate to the flow it's very considerate to the flow grappling streaming platform I believe grappling streaming platform I believe grappling streaming platform I believe to have also a free alternative on the to have also a free alternative on the to have also a free alternative on the same weekend and the Brilliance of this same weekend and the Brilliance of this same weekend and the Brilliance of this whole thing is I was largely whole thing is I was largely whole thing is I was largely criticized for not knowing anything criticized for not knowing anything criticized for not knowing anything about business but the people about business but the people about business but the people criticizing me decided to host a criticizing me decided to host a criticizing me decided to host a tournament at 15,000 seat Arena they tournament at 15,000 seat Arena they tournament at 15,000 seat Arena they decided to take sponsors they decided to decided to take sponsors they decided to decided to take sponsors they decided to use a streaming platform with sell use a streaming platform with sell use a streaming platform with sell subscriptions based on the athletes subscriptions based on the athletes subscriptions based on the athletes would enter it but not give any of the would enter it but not give any of the would enter it but not give any of the talent the athletes a contract which talent the athletes a contract which talent the athletes a contract which gave me this beautiful position to gave me this beautiful position to gave me this beautiful position to basically say hey what do you prefer The basically say hey what do you prefer The basically say hey what do you prefer The Prestige of an 80cc gold medal or money

Prestige of an 80cc gold medal or money Prestige of an 80cc gold medal or money and that's the fud so far and we put and that's the fud so far and we put and that's the fud so far and we put that we put that out into the world I that we put that out into the world I that we put that out into the world I didn't chase too many athletes down didn't chase too many athletes down didn't chase too many athletes down obviously a lot of these guys really obviously a lot of these guys really obviously a lot of these guys really need money so you throw a million need money so you throw a million need money so you throw a million dollars out there people are jumping dollars out there people are jumping dollars out there people are jumping onard onard onard so initially we started getting we got so initially we started getting we got so initially we started getting we got two local guys here in Austin the Tacker two local guys here in Austin the Tacker two local guys here in Austin the Tacker Brothers they jumped in first and Brothers they jumped in first and Brothers they jumped in first and they're great kids they really they're great kids they really they're great kids they really legitimized the whole thing because if legitimized the whole thing because if legitimized the whole thing because if if we pick certain athletes like just B if we pick certain athletes like just B if we pick certain athletes like just B Team guys straight away it's already Team guys straight away it's already Team guys straight away it's already looking a bit dodgy but we got some looking a bit dodgy but we got some looking a bit dodgy but we got some legitimate athletes especially the under legitimate athletes especially the under legitimate athletes especially the under 80 kilo divisions full 80 kilo divisions full 80 kilo divisions full of minus two or three guys that's the of minus two or three guys that's the of minus two or three guys that's the best people in the world in that weight best people in the world in that weight best people in the world in that weight Division and as we started to grow our Division and as we started to grow our Division and as we started to grow our roster here what happened I'm going to roster here what happened I'm going to roster here what happened I'm going to say this allegedly for legal reasons is say this allegedly for legal reasons is say this allegedly for legal reasons is that the first move ADCC that the first move ADCC that the first move ADCC did was they matched the female pay to did was they matched the female pay to did was they matched the female pay to the men's pay so the women always the men's pay so the women always the men's pay so the women always traditionally got paid less I think traditionally got paid less I think traditionally got paid less I think $6,000 for first place as soon as we had $6,000 for first place as soon as we had $6,000 for first place as soon as we had Fon Davies the uh reigning Champion come Fon Davies the uh reigning Champion come Fon Davies the uh reigning Champion come across to do a super fight with us bang across to do a super fight with us bang across to do a super fight with us bang ADCC raised the prize money of the ADCC raised the prize money of the ADCC raised the prize money of the women's division to equal the mens so me women's division to equal the mens so me women's division to equal the mens so me being a feminist activist throughout being a feminist activist throughout being a feminist activist throughout many of my years on this Earth many of my years on this Earth many of my years on this Earth immediately got women's pay raised in immediately got women's pay raised in immediately got women's pay raised in the sport of Jiu-Jitsu equalized the sport of Jiu-Jitsu equalized the sport of Jiu-Jitsu equalized basically which went counter to basically which went counter to basically which went counter to everything the promoter had said because everything the promoter had said because everything the promoter had said because he said it was out of his control to he said it was out of his control to he said it was out of his control to raise money he said only the only the raise money he said only the only the raise money he said only the only the ADCC I guess coming directly from the ADCC I guess coming directly from the ADCC I guess coming directly from the Sheik or the shakes sort of guys could

Sheik or the shakes sort of guys could Sheik or the shakes sort of guys could raise the prize money he got it raised raise the prize money he got it raised raise the prize money he got it raised and then what happened was once we and then what happened was once we and then what happened was once we started getting some of these big names started getting some of these big names started getting some of these big names here so some of the best guys from ADCC here so some of the best guys from ADCC here so some of the best guys from ADCC would be in this division we got a bunch would be in this division we got a bunch would be in this division we got a bunch of Champions or medalists or really the of Champions or medalists or really the of Champions or medalists or really the top betting favorites for their top betting favorites for their top betting favorites for their divisions there they started again I divisions there they started again I divisions there they started again I can't emphasize this enough allegedly can't emphasize this enough allegedly can't emphasize this enough allegedly paying show money which has never paying show money which has never paying show money which has never historically been done before to keep historically been done before to keep historically been done before to keep athletes in their show so you're saying athletes in their show so you're saying athletes in their show so you're saying allegedly there were some under the allegedly there were some under the allegedly there were some under the table payments by ADCC do you have table payments by ADCC do you have table payments by ADCC do you have secret documents proving this I do have secret documents proving this I do have secret documents proving this I do have the documents now some of the guys the documents now some of the guys the documents now some of the guys obviously told me you know how it is you obviously told me you know how it is you obviously told me you know how it is you slap a million dollars on the table it slap a million dollars on the table it slap a million dollars on the table it looks great that was me proving I had looks great that was me proving I had looks great that was me proving I had the money which wasn't even my money to the money which wasn't even my money to the money which wasn't even my money to begin with but it was basically me begin with but it was basically me begin with but it was basically me saying hey the money's real no I don't saying hey the money's real no I don't saying hey the money's real no I don't know why but strangely a lot of people know why but strangely a lot of people know why but strangely a lot of people don't believe me when I'm telling the don't believe me when I'm telling the don't believe me when I'm telling the truth I don't know why they wouldn't but truth I don't know why they wouldn't but truth I don't know why they wouldn't but what logically happens is they're like what logically happens is they're like what logically happens is they're like oh look how much money he has we're oh look how much money he has we're oh look how much money he has we're going to give like give us more show going to give like give us more show going to give like give us more show money so they're negotiating with me money so they're negotiating with me money so they're negotiating with me there was one particular Brazilian there was one particular Brazilian there was one particular Brazilian businessman manager I won't say his name businessman manager I won't say his name businessman manager I won't say his name but he looks like The Thing from but he looks like The Thing from but he looks like The Thing from Fantastic 4 and he was a manager for Fantastic 4 and he was a manager for Fantastic 4 and he was a manager for some of these athletes and he would take some of these athletes and he would take some of these athletes and he would take a massive 20% cut so what he and I got I a massive 20% cut so what he and I got I a massive 20% cut so what he and I got I got to pay respect to this uh respect to got to pay respect to this uh respect to got to pay respect to this uh respect to this because it actually caused trauma this because it actually caused trauma this because it actually caused trauma to the other team as well but he would to the other team as well but he would to the other team as well but he would uh I would invite an athlete to uh I would invite an athlete to uh I would invite an athlete to cji he would go to the other cji he would go to the other cji he would go to the other organization and he would say to them organization and he would say to them organization and he would say to them hey what sort of deal could you give me

hey what sort of deal could you give me hey what sort of deal could you give me to keep this guy you want to keep him in to keep this guy you want to keep him in to keep this guy you want to keep him in your event and he would use cji to your event and he would use cji to your event and he would use cji to leverage more show money for his guys of leverage more show money for his guys of leverage more show money for his guys of which he gets to grease the wheels with which he gets to grease the wheels with which he gets to grease the wheels with 20% for himself however at cji everyone 20% for himself however at cji everyone 20% for himself however at cji everyone gets $10,000 one across the board and a gets $10,000 one across the board and a gets $10,000 one across the board and a million dollar prize money so there's no million dollar prize money so there's no million dollar prize money so there's no room for really negotiation for the room for really negotiation for the room for really negotiation for the tournament aspect of us so he has a tournament aspect of us so he has a tournament aspect of us so he has a vested interest in putting his guys in vested interest in putting his guys in vested interest in putting his guys in ADCC because he can negotiate show money ADCC because he can negotiate show money ADCC because he can negotiate show money and he can basically take 20% of of that and he can basically take 20% of of that and he can basically take 20% of of that for himself but really for the sport of for himself but really for the sport of for himself but really for the sport of grappling this is incredible across the grappling this is incredible across the grappling this is incredible across the board because by us stealing or at least board because by us stealing or at least board because by us stealing or at least borrowing a bunch of athletes from ADCC borrowing a bunch of athletes from ADCC borrowing a bunch of athletes from ADCC ADCC had to fill their divisions so they ADCC had to fill their divisions so they ADCC had to fill their divisions so they filled their divisions with many other filled their divisions with many other filled their divisions with many other competitors that wouldn't have competitors that wouldn't have competitors that wouldn't have ordinarily had the chance to do ADCC and ordinarily had the chance to do ADCC and ordinarily had the chance to do ADCC and really although we've scheduled it the really although we've scheduled it the really although we've scheduled it the same weekend ours is actually Friday same weekend ours is actually Friday same weekend ours is actually Friday Saturday ADCC being Saturday Sunday our Saturday ADCC being Saturday Sunday our Saturday ADCC being Saturday Sunday our day starts pretty late so we start 5: day starts pretty late so we start 5: day starts pretty late so we start 5: p.m. Saturday so really ultimately it p.m. Saturday so really ultimately it p.m. Saturday so really ultimately it was a big marketing ploy to go was a big marketing ploy to go was a big marketing ploy to go head-to-head pretending like we're head-to-head pretending like we're head-to-head pretending like we're making the fans choose but the fans making the fans choose but the fans making the fans choose but the fans we'll be able to watch both events we'll be able to watch both events we'll be able to watch both events you'll be able to go all day Friday for you'll be able to go all day Friday for you'll be able to go all day Friday for us you'll sadly miss the ADCC Hall of us you'll sadly miss the ADCC Hall of us you'll sadly miss the ADCC Hall of Fame ceremony where you'll see many of Fame ceremony where you'll see many of Fame ceremony where you'll see many of great speakers public speakers great speakers public speakers great speakers public speakers philosophers tell their stories about philosophers tell their stories about philosophers tell their stories about hardship just like at the end of any hardship just like at the end of any hardship just like at the end of any Jiu-Jitsu seminar or beginning if you're Jiu-Jitsu seminar or beginning if you're Jiu-Jitsu seminar or beginning if you're blessed like that you might have a 45

blessed like that you might have a 45 blessed like that you might have a 45 minute monologue about how they're more minute monologue about how they're more minute monologue about how they're more knowledgeable than doctors lawyers knowledgeable than doctors lawyers knowledgeable than doctors lawyers classic black belt technique but you classic black belt technique but you classic black belt technique but you will miss that un with great metaphors will miss that un with great metaphors will miss that un with great metaphors about lions about lions yes about being about lions about lions yes about being about lions about lions yes about being a humble lion most importantly but a humble lion most importantly but a humble lion most importantly but humility is important you can watch all humility is important you can watch all humility is important you can watch all that Friday you could watch most of ADCC that Friday you could watch most of ADCC that Friday you could watch most of ADCC Saturday and then Saturday night in Las Saturday and then Saturday night in Las Saturday and then Saturday night in Las Vegas I'll be doing what many men have Vegas I'll be doing what many men have Vegas I'll be doing what many men have done before and that is wrestling a done before and that is wrestling a done before and that is wrestling a giant giant giant woman can you speak to that how are you woman can you speak to that how are you woman can you speak to that how are you preparing um for this moment of violence preparing um for this moment of violence preparing um for this moment of violence on a Saturday night with Gabby Garcia so on a Saturday night with Gabby Garcia so on a Saturday night with Gabby Garcia so Gabby Garcia is is the legend of sort of Gabby Garcia is is the legend of sort of Gabby Garcia is is the legend of sort of women's grappling I think she's one more women's grappling I think she's one more women's grappling I think she's one more than anyone else so between me and her than anyone else so between me and her than anyone else so between me and her we would at least have 15 to 20 World we would at least have 15 to 20 World we would at least have 15 to 20 World Championships I'd imagine yeah she's Championships I'd imagine yeah she's Championships I'd imagine yeah she's huge I say that in an endearing way MH huge I say that in an endearing way MH huge I say that in an endearing way MH she might be 6' 4 6' 3 and her weight she might be 6' 4 6' 3 and her weight she might be 6' 4 6' 3 and her weight varies depending on what time of the day varies depending on what time of the day varies depending on what time of the day it is between 220 and 275 lbs but she's it is between 220 and 275 lbs but she's it is between 220 and 275 lbs but she's going to be coming in quite big and going to be coming in quite big and going to be coming in quite big and strong Maybe I am about 179 lb right now strong Maybe I am about 179 lb right now strong Maybe I am about 179 lb right now and a 5'1 so I've got a significant size and a 5'1 so I've got a significant size and a 5'1 so I've got a significant size disadvantage she has the credentials but disadvantage she has the credentials but disadvantage she has the credentials but we're going to we're going to scrap it we're going to we're going to scrap it we're going to we're going to scrap it out scrap it out and see who's best the out scrap it out and see who's best the out scrap it out and see who's best the greatest woman's competitor of all time greatest woman's competitor of all time greatest woman's competitor of all time or a guy that's never won

or a guy that's never won or a guy that's never won anything has it added some complexity to anything has it added some complexity to anything has it added some complexity to the picture that you know there's some the picture that you know there's some the picture that you know there's some sexual tension in the room whenever you sexual tension in the room whenever you sexual tension in the room whenever you the two of you are together yeah maybe the two of you are together yeah maybe the two of you are together yeah maybe I'm being romantic but it seems like I'm being romantic but it seems like I'm being romantic but it seems like there's youve slowly started to fall in there's youve slowly started to fall in there's youve slowly started to fall in love with each other it's been 3 years love with each other it's been 3 years love with each other it's been 3 years of Seduction it's been a long time it's of Seduction it's been a long time it's of Seduction it's been a long time it's inspiring for for many young men that inspiring for for many young men that inspiring for for many young men that follow you and look up to you just the follow you and look up to you just the follow you and look up to you just the the the Romantic Journey that you've the the Romantic Journey that you've the the Romantic Journey that you've been on it's Tru inspiring yeah I would been on it's Tru inspiring yeah I would been on it's Tru inspiring yeah I would say it's a motivational message to the say it's a motivational message to the say it's a motivational message to the guy that keeps sending DMS to a g on guy that keeps sending DMS to a g on guy that keeps sending DMS to a g on Instagram for years that maybe after 3 Instagram for years that maybe after 3 Instagram for years that maybe after 3 years it could also happen for you to no years it could also happen for you to no years it could also happen for you to no matter no matter her her height and matter no matter her her height and matter no matter her her height and weight I think persistence is the key weight I think persistence is the key weight I think persistence is the key here uh yeah and we do have a wager on here uh yeah and we do have a wager on here uh yeah and we do have a wager on the line wager this might be the first the line wager this might be the first the line wager this might be the first wager of its kind I would hope in Combat wager of its kind I would hope in Combat wager of its kind I would hope in Combat Sports history mhm if she wins I'll Sports history mhm if she wins I'll Sports history mhm if she wins I'll personally give her a million dollars if personally give her a million dollars if personally give her a million dollars if I can foot lock her we're going to I can foot lock her we're going to I can foot lock her we're going to collaborate together in an only fans sex collaborate together in an only fans sex collaborate together in an only fans sex tape did you agree to this she shook on tape did you agree to this she shook on tape did you agree to this she shook on [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] it great you do have an only fans it great you do have an only fans it great you do have an only fans channel is that still up it's after channel is that still up it's after channel is that still up it's after August 17th it's going to be fire it's August 17th it's going to be fire it's August 17th it's going to be fire it's going to be on fire yeah wow I think going to be on fire yeah wow I think going to be on fire yeah wow I think that and honestly when we talk about that and honestly when we talk about that and honestly when we talk about secret investor I think that could fund secret investor I think that could fund secret investor I think that could fund the entire tournament it' be that the entire tournament it' be that the entire tournament it' be that success that'll be the only paywalled success that'll be the only paywalled success that'll be the only paywalled thing about this tournament is that is

thing about this tournament is that is thing about this tournament is that is your only F yeah it's I mean it's going your only F yeah it's I mean it's going your only F yeah it's I mean it's going to be a spiritual experience for me yeah to be a spiritual experience for me yeah to be a spiritual experience for me yeah W uh okay I'm totally distracted now can W uh okay I'm totally distracted now can W uh okay I'm totally distracted now can you talk about the rule set so we're you talk about the rule set so we're you talk about the rule set so we're using the angled walls inspired by using the angled walls inspired by using the angled walls inspired by karate combat karate combat do those karate combat karate combat do those karate combat karate combat do those angled walls those are awesome you're angled walls those are awesome you're angled walls those are awesome you're calling it The Alley that's really calling it The Alley that's really calling it The Alley that's really really interesting so the it's like in a really interesting so the it's like in a really interesting so the it's like in a pit I guess and the angled walls are pit I guess and the angled walls are pit I guess and the angled walls are yeah so karate combat have a a square yeah so karate combat have a a square yeah so karate combat have a a square pit we have a rectangular alley we like pit we have a rectangular alley we like pit we have a rectangular alley we like the visual of just you're in the alley the visual of just you're in the alley the visual of just you're in the alley with someone you know you come we both with someone you know you come we both with someone you know you come we both know what goes on an alley a couple know what goes on an alley a couple know what goes on an alley a couple things that could go on back there things that could go on back there things that could go on back there what's the second thing never mind I got what's the second thing never mind I got what's the second thing never mind I got it but why this is brilliant why the it but why this is brilliant why the it but why this is brilliant why the angled wolves are brilliant for angled wolves are brilliant for angled wolves are brilliant for grappling is because any grappling grappling is because any grappling grappling is because any grappling tournament this goes without question tournament this goes without question tournament this goes without question goes IBG Jeff goes IBG Jeff goes IBG Jeff ADCC the reset is one of the most ADCC the reset is one of the most ADCC the reset is one of the most annoying aspects of the sport and one of annoying aspects of the sport and one of annoying aspects of the sport and one of the aspects of the sport that these some the aspects of the sport that these some the aspects of the sport that these some of the sneakier guys take advantage of of the sneakier guys take advantage of of the sneakier guys take advantage of there's guys out there that are there's guys out there that are there's guys out there that are brilliant at playing The Edge hoping the brilliant at playing The Edge hoping the brilliant at playing The Edge hoping the ref will reset them or they'll shoot a ref will reset them or they'll shoot a ref will reset them or they'll shoot a take down near the edge and you might take down near the edge and you might take down near the edge and you might watch and again I'm picking on ADCC here watch and again I'm picking on ADCC here watch and again I'm picking on ADCC here but you might watch an ADCC match where but you might watch an ADCC match where but you might watch an ADCC match where 90 seconds of a 10-minute match is the 90 seconds of a 10-minute match is the 90 seconds of a 10-minute match is the referee grabbing them bringing them back referee grabbing them bringing them back referee grabbing them bringing them back to the center or trying to recreate to the center or trying to recreate to the center or trying to recreate something of a position that landed something of a position that landed something of a position that landed outside not only is that sort of boring outside not only is that sort of boring outside not only is that sort of boring to me it and it sort of could be biased

to me it and it sort of could be biased to me it and it sort of could be biased you know like again it's happened to me you know like again it's happened to me you know like again it's happened to me in events where like I've the ref's gone in events where like I've the ref's gone in events where like I've the ref's gone stop I've stopped he's moved a little stop I've stopped he's moved a little stop I've stopped he's moved a little bit more and then the an adjustment in bit more and then the an adjustment in bit more and then the an adjustment in the reset I mean it's cheating to a the reset I mean it's cheating to a the reset I mean it's cheating to a certain extent it's just more of an certain extent it's just more of an certain extent it's just more of an annoyance they bring it back they reset annoyance they bring it back they reset annoyance they bring it back they reset it to the best of their ability in the it to the best of their ability in the it to the best of their ability in the center the angled wall mitigates that center the angled wall mitigates that center the angled wall mitigates that and it mitigates it in such a way that and it mitigates it in such a way that and it mitigates it in such a way that is a disadvantage to be pushed up is a disadvantage to be pushed up is a disadvantage to be pushed up against the angled wall you're very against the angled wall you're very against the angled wall you're very easily taken down against the angled easily taken down against the angled easily taken down against the angled wall you could use a cage like the UFC wall you could use a cage like the UFC wall you could use a cage like the UFC does or any sort of MMA organization does or any sort of MMA organization does or any sort of MMA organization however cage wrestling can be slow however cage wrestling can be slow however cage wrestling can be slow you're obviously at the vertical and it you're obviously at the vertical and it you're obviously at the vertical and it can stagnate there guys are very good at can stagnate there guys are very good at can stagnate there guys are very good at using split squats to really defend that using split squats to really defend that using split squats to really defend that position so we and for me personally I position so we and for me personally I position so we and for me personally I don't love the cage for grappling I'd don't love the cage for grappling I'd don't love the cage for grappling I'd like to differentiate it for grappling like to differentiate it for grappling like to differentiate it for grappling what holds people back from using the what holds people back from using the what holds people back from using the alley or a pit like structure is the alley or a pit like structure is the alley or a pit like structure is the viewing the viewing angle because if viewing the viewing angle because if viewing the viewing angle because if obviously if you're one of the VIPs or obviously if you're one of the VIPs or obviously if you're one of the VIPs or you pay for expensive seat that angled you pay for expensive seat that angled you pay for expensive seat that angled walls above you a cage you can see into walls above you a cage you can see into walls above you a cage you can see into an elevated platform sort of Step age an elevated platform sort of Step age an elevated platform sort of Step age you can see clearly into cuz the because you can see clearly into cuz the because you can see clearly into cuz the because it's basically flat but the athletes it's basically flat but the athletes it's basically flat but the athletes could fall off and injur themselves so could fall off and injur themselves so could fall off and injur themselves so something happens uufc fight passes the something happens uufc fight passes the something happens uufc fight passes the elevated flat stage it's kind of scary elevated flat stage it's kind of scary elevated flat stage it's kind of scary to be near the edge you you go you go to be near the edge you you go you go to be near the edge you you go you go off you're going to land on concrete you off you're going to land on concrete you off you're going to land on concrete you might want to do that to the other guy might want to do that to the other guy might want to do that to the other guy if you that way inclined but the the if you that way inclined but the the if you that way inclined but the the alley the angled wall solves all those

alley the angled wall solves all those alley the angled wall solves all those problems very minimal referee problems very minimal referee problems very minimal referee interference again the only thing that interference again the only thing that interference again the only thing that holds people back is the expense of holds people back is the expense of holds people back is the expense of building it building it building it but again when you're spending someone but again when you're spending someone but again when you're spending someone else's money you will spare no expense else's money you will spare no expense else's money you will spare no expense in production so we've spent a lot of in production so we've spent a lot of in production so we've spent a lot of money on the Alley and we've really gone money on the Alley and we've really gone money on the Alley and we've really gone out of our way to create an experience out of our way to create an experience out of our way to create an experience that around the alley we've elevated that around the alley we've elevated that around the alley we've elevated everything so that the people watching everything so that the people watching everything so that the people watching will be able to see down into it because will be able to see down into it because will be able to see down into it because add your instinctual thought is oh it add your instinctual thought is oh it add your instinctual thought is oh it sounds great but how am I going to see sounds great but how am I going to see sounds great but how am I going to see in it unless I'm far up like you'd need in it unless I'm far up like you'd need in it unless I'm far up like you'd need like a Coliseum like structure and which like a Coliseum like structure and which like a Coliseum like structure and which is basically what we've attempted to is basically what we've attempted to is basically what we've attempted to create so that you get both a perfect create so that you get both a perfect create so that you get both a perfect place to to wrestle to Grapple in as place to to wrestle to Grapple in as place to to wrestle to Grapple in as well as a perfect viewing angle for the well as a perfect viewing angle for the well as a perfect viewing angle for the fans well I think it's an amazing idea fans well I think it's an amazing idea fans well I think it's an amazing idea what about the Jiu-Jitsu on a slant what about the Jiu-Jitsu on a slant what about the Jiu-Jitsu on a slant you've triangled somebody on a slant is you've triangled somebody on a slant is you've triangled somebody on a slant is there like some interesting aspects there like some interesting aspects there like some interesting aspects about the actual detail techniques of about the actual detail techniques of about the actual detail techniques of how to be effective using a slant I'll how to be effective using a slant I'll how to be effective using a slant I'll be honest I can beid it for karate be honest I can beid it for karate be honest I can beid it for karate combat twice never once did I ever step combat twice never once did I ever step combat twice never once did I ever step foot into the pit just again like you foot into the pit just again like you foot into the pit just again like you said before the podcast if there's a the said before the podcast if there's a the said before the podcast if there's a the right way of doing things I'm probably right way of doing things I'm probably right way of doing things I'm probably doing the opposite the wrong way I doing the opposite the wrong way I doing the opposite the wrong way I actually no idea why you people take actually no idea why you people take actually no idea why you people take advice from you but they do I'm mostly advice from you but they do I'm mostly advice from you but they do I'm mostly an inspirational speaker at this point an inspirational speaker at this point an inspirational speaker at this point yeah you and Tony Robbins are like this yeah you and Tony Robbins are like this yeah you and Tony Robbins are like this same size at least but in terms of the same size at least but in terms of the same size at least but in terms of the training for obviously the athletes very training for obviously the athletes very training for obviously the athletes very difficult some of these guys have gone difficult some of these guys have gone difficult some of these guys have gone out there and built their own angled out there and built their own angled out there and built their own angled walls yeah I saw that that's a cool

walls yeah I saw that that's a cool walls yeah I saw that that's a cool video that they're getting into that video that they're getting into that video that they're getting into that that's a smart thing to do there's a that's a smart thing to do there's a that's a smart thing to do there's a million dollars on the line you should million dollars on the line you should million dollars on the line you should probably invest in that but also like a probably invest in that but also like a probably invest in that but also like a new Surface that no one's competed on no new Surface that no one's competed on no new Surface that no one's competed on no one's gamed it yet no one's like we're one's gamed it yet no one's like we're one's gamed it yet no one's like we're going to see it unfold like like when going to see it unfold like like when going to see it unfold like like when UFC when people started figuring out how UFC when people started figuring out how UFC when people started figuring out how to use the C we're going to see this to use the C we're going to see this to use the C we're going to see this unfold in front of our very eyes how the unfold in front of our very eyes how the unfold in front of our very eyes how the strategies work for this the other thing strategies work for this the other thing strategies work for this the other thing we've done too is we're doing rounds so we've done too is we're doing rounds so we've done too is we're doing rounds so qualifying rounds would be three five qualifying rounds would be three five qualifying rounds would be three five minute rounds the final would be five FS minute rounds the final would be five FS minute rounds the final would be five FS why I want to do that is to incentivize why I want to do that is to incentivize why I want to do that is to incentivize action we're going to incentivize action action we're going to incentivize action action we're going to incentivize action through penalizing people but we really through penalizing people but we really through penalizing people but we really want I I love a short burst a break and want I I love a short burst a break and want I I love a short burst a break and the guys can go hard again I don't like the guys can go hard again I don't like the guys can go hard again I don't like a Jiu-Jitsu match where the guy takes a Jiu-Jitsu match where the guy takes a Jiu-Jitsu match where the guy takes the back early and he's like oh if I the back early and he's like oh if I the back early and he's like oh if I keep this position I've won and that's keep this position I've won and that's keep this position I've won and that's something that people that don't compete something that people that don't compete something that people that don't compete don't realize is if you take some if you don't realize is if you take some if you don't realize is if you take some if you get a good position early get up on the get a good position early get up on the get a good position early get up on the points you just sit there go ah let's points you just sit there go ah let's points you just sit there go ah let's ride this to the end that's why I want ride this to the end that's why I want ride this to the end that's why I want rounds so that you might take guys back rounds so that you might take guys back rounds so that you might take guys back you're really incentivized to get that you're really incentivized to get that you're really incentivized to get that finish and the way we're trying to grow finish and the way we're trying to grow finish and the way we're trying to grow the sport is to steal the MMA scoring the sport is to steal the MMA scoring the sport is to steal the MMA scoring structure which a lot of people structure which a lot of people structure which a lot of people criticize because they think it's overly criticize because they think it's overly criticize because they think it's overly complicated they don't understand it but complicated they don't understand it but complicated they don't understand it but to the mass audience they understand a to the mass audience they understand a to the mass audience they understand a 10-point must understand a decision in 10-point must understand a decision in 10-point must understand a decision in that sense to understand it being scored that sense to understand it being scored that sense to understand it being scored round by round so we're trying to appeal round by round so we're trying to appeal round by round so we're trying to appeal to a broader audience here but we think to a broader audience here but we think to a broader audience here but we think based on the structure based on how hard

based on the structure based on how hard based on the structure based on how hard we call stalling penalties based on you we call stalling penalties based on you we call stalling penalties based on you wanting to finish your opponent quick to wanting to finish your opponent quick to wanting to finish your opponent quick to have a better chance at a million have a better chance at a million have a better chance at a million dollars cuz it's 10,000 And1 to show up dollars cuz it's 10,000 And1 to show up dollars cuz it's 10,000 And1 to show up and a million to win if you ain't first and a million to win if you ain't first and a million to win if you ain't first you're last there's no reward for second you're last there's no reward for second you're last there's no reward for second place so I'm punishing the one position place so I'm punishing the one position place so I'm punishing the one position I've only ever been able to achieve in tournaments are you worried that uh tournaments are you worried that uh because of how much money is on the line because of how much money is on the line because of how much money is on the line people will play people will play people will play careful a very generous friend of mine careful a very generous friend of mine careful a very generous friend of mine has provided this money I'm like unless has provided this money I'm like unless has provided this money I'm like unless you guys go out there and try to kill you guys go out there and try to kill you guys go out there and try to kill each other and put it all on the line I each other and put it all on the line I each other and put it all on the line I I just won't do it again like I'm giving I just won't do it again like I'm giving I just won't do it again like I'm giving you guys a massive platform we've turned you guys a massive platform we've turned you guys a massive platform we've turned down offers from streaming platforms down offers from streaming platforms down offers from streaming platforms that wanted to buy the rights to this that wanted to buy the rights to this that wanted to buy the rights to this event because the marketing's gone very event because the marketing's gone very event because the marketing's gone very well we're turning down money to grow well we're turning down money to grow well we're turning down money to grow the sport the ADCC promoter said he the sport the ADCC promoter said he the sport the ADCC promoter said he wanted to grow the Spore so what he did wanted to grow the Spore so what he did wanted to grow the Spore so what he did is he put it behind a paywall and used is he put it behind a paywall and used is he put it behind a paywall and used the money from the payall to buy a more the money from the payall to buy a more the money from the payall to buy a more expensive Arena I don't think that's how expensive Arena I don't think that's how expensive Arena I don't think that's how you grow the well I think you grow the you grow the well I think you grow the you grow the well I think you grow the sport like comedians do these days like sport like comedians do these days like sport like comedians do these days like guys like Mark Norman will release a guys like Mark Norman will release a guys like Mark Norman will release a special for free Andrew Schulz did it special for free Andrew Schulz did it special for free Andrew Schulz did it first release a special for free and it first release a special for free and it first release a special for free and it grew his audience massively I think grew his audience massively I think grew his audience massively I think that's what Jiu-Jitsu needs we need an that's what Jiu-Jitsu needs we need an that's what Jiu-Jitsu needs we need an exciting show that's not behind a pay exciting show that's not behind a pay exciting show that's not behind a pay wall that'll grow the sport grow the wall that'll grow the sport grow the wall that'll grow the sport grow the audience and really then ultimately we audience and really then ultimately we audience and really then ultimately we can get to a level where it could be can get to a level where it could be can get to a level where it could be behind a pay but I just don't think behind a pay but I just don't think behind a pay but I just don't think where they at yeah I think million

where they at yeah I think million where they at yeah I think million dollars is a lot of money but the the dollars is a lot of money but the the dollars is a lot of money but the the opportunity here because it's open and opportunity here because it's open and opportunity here because it's open and freely accessible by everyone is to put freely accessible by everyone is to put freely accessible by everyone is to put on a show and then you get a million on a show and then you get a million on a show and then you get a million every year if you if this is a crazy every year if you if this is a crazy every year if you if this is a crazy exciting event the funding is going to exciting event the funding is going to exciting event the funding is going to be so easy year after year and the other be so easy year after year and the other be so easy year after year and the other aspect we're doing to it is aspect we're doing to it is aspect we're doing to it is unfortunately I'm not going to make any unfortunately I'm not going to make any unfortunately I'm not going to make any money off this thing it's a nonprofit money off this thing it's a nonprofit money off this thing it's a nonprofit and the money from charity except the and the money from charity except the and the money from charity except the only fans but whatever yeah that's the only fans but whatever yeah that's the only fans but whatever yeah that's the real cash cow but that's the real work real cash cow but that's the real work real cash cow but that's the real work too yeah and that's not for charity too yeah and that's not for charity too yeah and that's not for charity that's for your personal that's for your personal that's for your personal bank account the the only fans or you bank account the the only fans or you bank account the the only fans or you also that'll be for the follow-up also that'll be for the follow-up also that'll be for the follow-up therapy therapy therapy but that'll be expensive gig for whoever but that'll be expensive gig for whoever but that'll be expensive gig for whoever takes that on board Love takes that on board Love takes that on board Love Hurts that physically will Hurts that physically will Hurts that physically will yeah ticket proceeds to charity so like yeah ticket proceeds to charity so like yeah ticket proceeds to charity so like obviously we got the $3 million budget obviously we got the $3 million budget obviously we got the $3 million budget we got production expenses um we got the we got production expenses um we got the we got production expenses um we got the team of staff to hire um but if we could team of staff to hire um but if we could team of staff to hire um but if we could sell this thing out we could potentially sell this thing out we could potentially sell this thing out we could potentially donate a ton of money to charity one of donate a ton of money to charity one of donate a ton of money to charity one of those Charities is tap cancer out and those Charities is tap cancer out and those Charities is tap cancer out and what's great about this is Rich burn is what's great about this is Rich burn is what's great about this is Rich burn is a black belt from New York who's in the a black belt from New York who's in the a black belt from New York who's in the banking world he used to run an event banking world he used to run an event banking world he used to run an event called casai grappling he went through called casai grappling he went through called casai grappling he went through cancer he basically had a very cancer he basically had a very cancer he basically had a very aggressive cancer he had it treated and aggressive cancer he had it treated and aggressive cancer he had it treated and now he basically has said to us that now he basically has said to us that now he basically has said to us that whatever we donate from the profits of whatever we donate from the profits of whatever we donate from the profits of the event he's going to match dollar for the event he's going to match dollar for the event he's going to match dollar for dollar and we've also had another guy dollar and we've also had another guy dollar and we've also had another guy who wants to remain anonymous agreed to who wants to remain anonymous agreed to who wants to remain anonymous agreed to match dollar for dollar as well so

match dollar for dollar as well so match dollar for dollar as well so the more ticket sales revenue we can the more ticket sales revenue we can the more ticket sales revenue we can create here the more we can actually create here the more we can actually create here the more we can actually give back to charity so it's really all give back to charity so it's really all give back to charity so it's really all round it's going to be a great event round it's going to be a great event round it's going to be a great event yeah tap cancer is great and all the yeah tap cancer is great and all the yeah tap cancer is great and all the Charities that the athletes have been Charities that the athletes have been Charities that the athletes have been selecting are great uh what's been the selecting are great uh what's been the selecting are great uh what's been the hardest you uh you are wearing a suit so hardest you uh you are wearing a suit so hardest you uh you are wearing a suit so you figured out how to do that but the you figured out how to do that but the you figured out how to do that but the tie was difficult for sure the tie was tie was difficult for sure the tie was tie was difficult for sure the tie was difficult but you figured it out difficult but you figured it out difficult but you figured it out and congratulations on that but you've and congratulations on that but you've and congratulations on that but you've never run a never run a never run a tournament no tournament no tournament no I've never Wrestled a big woman either I've never Wrestled a big woman either I've never Wrestled a big woman either well I have but not in this form not in well I have but not in this form not in well I have but not in this form not in a competitive environment for only a competitive environment for only a competitive environment for only fans what's been the hardest aspects of fans what's been the hardest aspects of fans what's been the hardest aspects of actually bringing this to life the first actually bringing this to life the first actually bringing this to life the first one was people believing it was real one was people believing it was real one was people believing it was real yeah that was quite difficult and then yeah that was quite difficult and then yeah that was quite difficult and then communicating with the athletes that's communicating with the athletes that's communicating with the athletes that's basically where my responsibility is basically where my responsibility is basically where my responsibility is securing these guys getting these guys securing these guys getting these guys securing these guys getting these guys to commit to things they're very it's to commit to things they're very it's to commit to things they're very it's very very very difficult there's a reason few athletes difficult there's a reason few athletes difficult there's a reason few athletes in every sport really stand out and it's in every sport really stand out and it's in every sport really stand out and it's kind of professionalism and kind of the kind of professionalism and kind of the kind of professionalism and kind of the way they Market themselves and I think way they Market themselves and I think way they Market themselves and I think those two things do go hand inand so those two things do go hand inand so those two things do go hand inand so we're in a sport where there's not we're in a sport where there's not we're in a sport where there's not enough money where a lot of these guys enough money where a lot of these guys enough money where a lot of these guys do have managers I think in MMA things do have managers I think in MMA things do have managers I think in MMA things would be a lot easier for the promoter would be a lot easier for the promoter would be a lot easier for the promoter because you're not talking directly to because you're not talking directly to because you're not talking directly to the athlete you're talking to a guy who the athlete you're talking to a guy who the athlete you're talking to a guy who might who's obviously taking a cut but might who's obviously taking a cut but might who's obviously taking a cut but like he's there's a middleman so in a like he's there's a middleman so in a like he's there's a middleman so in a situation where you're talking directly situation where you're talking directly situation where you're talking directly to the athlete can be very difficult can to the athlete can be very difficult can to the athlete can be very difficult can be very annoying can very hard to reach

be very annoying can very hard to reach be very annoying can very hard to reach these guys they can be very these guys they can be very these guys they can be very non-committal that for me has been one non-committal that for me has been one non-committal that for me has been one of the biggest challenges the guys that of the biggest challenges the guys that of the biggest challenges the guys that I speak to that are like I'm in and I speak to that are like I'm in and I speak to that are like I'm in and they're like I'm out I'm in like they're like I'm out I'm in like they're like I'm out I'm in like navigating this area one other aspect is navigating this area one other aspect is navigating this area one other aspect is because we did this basically from idea because we did this basically from idea because we did this basically from idea to event will be less than three months to event will be less than three months to event will be less than three months three and a half months so it's like three and a half months so it's like three and a half months so it's like we're having to do so much in such a we're having to do so much in such a we're having to do so much in such a short period of time little things like short period of time little things like short period of time little things like of the show money we've given them of the show money we've given them of the show money we've given them they're expected to basically they're expected to basically they're expected to basically secure their own flight and hotel to the secure their own flight and hotel to the secure their own flight and hotel to the event we're cutting down on staff cuz event we're cutting down on staff cuz event we're cutting down on staff cuz that would be one of the if I had to that would be one of the if I had to that would be one of the if I had to coordinate getting these guys flights I coordinate getting these guys flights I coordinate getting these guys flights I would just jump off a building like it's would just jump off a building like it's would just jump off a building like it's it's hard enough to get them to agree to it's hard enough to get them to agree to it's hard enough to get them to agree to the event let alone coordinate hey what the event let alone coordinate hey what the event let alone coordinate hey what date do you want to come in it's like date do you want to come in it's like date do you want to come in it's like hurting cats so really just the hurting cats so really just the hurting cats so really just the interpersonal stuff's been difficult interpersonal stuff's been difficult interpersonal stuff's been difficult obviously going up against ADCC the obviously going up against ADCC the obviously going up against ADCC the legacy of M has been pretty damn legacy of M has been pretty damn legacy of M has been pretty damn difficult as well well established huge difficult as well well established huge difficult as well well established huge history they've been selling tickets for history they've been selling tickets for history they've been selling tickets for two years everyone's knowing it's been two years everyone's knowing it's been two years everyone's knowing it's been coming for two years that thing was coming for two years that thing was coming for two years that thing was largely sold out before we even largely sold out before we even largely sold out before we even announced the event so we're going announced the event so we're going announced the event so we're going head-to-head with this event so from a head-to-head with this event so from a head-to-head with this event so from a ticket sales perspective very difficult ticket sales perspective very difficult ticket sales perspective very difficult what's been uh reddic question what's what's been uh reddic question what's what's been uh reddic question what's been the most surprising people who been the most surprising people who been the most surprising people who turned down on your invite oh I mean we turned down on your invite oh I mean we turned down on your invite oh I mean we can we can name names I mean obviously can we can name names I mean obviously can we can name names I mean obviously Kanan he was a semi in semi out his Kanan he was a semi in semi out his Kanan he was a semi in semi out his suggestion was actually to do a second suggestion was actually to do a second suggestion was actually to do a second and third place prize rather than a

and third place prize rather than a and third place prize rather than a million and I'm like no we want a All or million and I'm like no we want a All or million and I'm like no we want a All or Nothing it's all or nothing here well Nothing it's all or nothing here well Nothing it's all or nothing here well that's a better spectacle better that's a better spectacle better that's a better spectacle better entertainment yeah probably more entertainment yeah probably more entertainment yeah probably more injuries but it's All or Nothing Miki injuries but it's All or Nothing Miki injuries but it's All or Nothing Miki galal The One That Got Away yeah that's galal The One That Got Away yeah that's galal The One That Got Away yeah that's sad but we got the Ros the sad but we got the Ros the sad but we got the Ros the Ros props to these kids CU Cade's the Ros props to these kids CU Cade's the Ros props to these kids CU Cade's the reigning Champion these are two of the reigning Champion these are two of the reigning Champion these are two of the best guys in the best guys in the best guys in the sport sport sport allegedly were offered pretty allegedly were offered pretty allegedly were offered pretty significant show money to stay but they significant show money to stay but they significant show money to stay but they hit me up and they said hey promise us hit me up and they said hey promise us hit me up and they said hey promise us one thing we're on opposite sides of the one thing we're on opposite sides of the one thing we're on opposite sides of the brackets and we'll fight to the death in brackets and we'll fight to the death in brackets and we'll fight to the death in the final for the million and we know the final for the million and we know the final for the million and we know everyone knows that we've seen them everyone knows that we've seen them everyone knows that we've seen them compete against each other multiple compete against each other multiple compete against each other multiple times so that was not a surprise because times so that was not a surprise because times so that was not a surprise because I know they're good kids but to I know they're good kids but to I know they're good kids but to basically turn down allegedly show money basically turn down allegedly show money basically turn down allegedly show money to do this event to support the event to to do this event to support the event to to do this event to support the event to me is incredible miky G things would be me is incredible miky G things would be me is incredible miky G things would be more complicated there like obviously more complicated there like obviously more complicated there like obviously mik officially joined ADCC before he mik officially joined ADCC before he mik officially joined ADCC before he secured the Ros Kade beat him in the secured the Ros Kade beat him in the secured the Ros Kade beat him in the final mik is personally motivated to final mik is personally motivated to final mik is personally motivated to face off against Kate so he didn't know face off against Kate so he didn't know face off against Kate so he didn't know Kate was in our event before he agreed Kate was in our event before he agreed Kate was in our event before he agreed to to to ADCC there's more to that story too in ADCC there's more to that story too in ADCC there's more to that story too in terms of M doing ADCC because a bunch of terms of M doing ADCC because a bunch of terms of M doing ADCC because a bunch of the kids in his team I think they've the kids in his team I think they've the kids in his team I think they've been flowing out to the ADCC kids event been flowing out to the ADCC kids event been flowing out to the ADCC kids event so there's like his two teammates well so there's like his two teammates well so there's like his two teammates well at least one of his teammates will be at least one of his teammates will be at least one of his teammates will be doing the ADC the 66 kilo division so doing the ADC the 66 kilo division so doing the ADC the 66 kilo division so his Co his dad is coach doesn't really

his Co his dad is coach doesn't really his Co his dad is coach doesn't really want to split time between two events want to split time between two events want to split time between two events that's a difficulty for athletes there that's a difficulty for athletes there that's a difficulty for athletes there but obviously disappointing we couldn't but obviously disappointing we couldn't but obviously disappointing we couldn't secure m m said he was about the Legacy secure m m said he was about the Legacy secure m m said he was about the Legacy so he wanted to be the youngest guy ever so he wanted to be the youngest guy ever so he wanted to be the youngest guy ever the double grand slam which is basically the double grand slam which is basically the double grand slam which is basically win all the ghee events and win the ADCC win all the ghee events and win the ADCC win all the ghee events and win the ADCC that same that same that same year my thoughts were I if I was in his year my thoughts were I if I was in his year my thoughts were I if I was in his position and I never was obviously a position and I never was obviously a position and I never was obviously a prodigy Talent like that is I thought he prodigy Talent like that is I thought he prodigy Talent like that is I thought he had a position to make a statement in had a position to make a statement in had a position to make a statement in the sport to kind of as Jesus sound be the sport to kind of as Jesus sound be the sport to kind of as Jesus sound be on the right side of History to have on the right side of History to have on the right side of History to have turned down a double grand slam to be in turned down a double grand slam to be in turned down a double grand slam to be in an event that supports athlete pay again an event that supports athlete pay again an event that supports athlete pay again I don't overly criticize him but I think I don't overly criticize him but I think I don't overly criticize him but I think in terms of your legacy and reputation in terms of your legacy and reputation in terms of your legacy and reputation to be at a point and choose to do that to be at a point and choose to do that to be at a point and choose to do that is much more memorable than him getting is much more memorable than him getting is much more memorable than him getting that double Grand Slam which I'm sure he that double Grand Slam which I'm sure he that double Grand Slam which I'm sure he will win the ADCC 77 killer division will win the ADCC 77 killer division will win the ADCC 77 killer division this year but it'll be somewhat this year but it'll be somewhat this year but it'll be somewhat tarnished anyway so I I do feel bad for tarnished anyway so I I do feel bad for tarnished anyway so I I do feel bad for some of the athletes that win this year some of the athletes that win this year some of the athletes that win this year and potentially people be like oh yeah and potentially people be like oh yeah and potentially people be like oh yeah but there was half the people W in the but there was half the people W in the but there was half the people W in the division I feel bad for those guys but division I feel bad for those guys but division I feel bad for those guys but at the end of the day most of these guys at the end of the day most of these guys at the end of the day most of these guys had an opportunity to be a part of an had an opportunity to be a part of an had an opportunity to be a part of an event that really there's no downside event that really there's no downside event that really there's no downside too you have a chance to be paid more too you have a chance to be paid more too you have a chance to be paid more money than you ever been paid in your money than you ever been paid in your money than you ever been paid in your life you're life you're life you're selling tickets that are going to go to selling tickets that are going to go to selling tickets that are going to go to charity and it's not behind a pay wall

charity and it's not behind a pay wall charity and it's not behind a pay wall so anyone anywhere in the world can so anyone anywhere in the world can so anyone anywhere in the world can stream this event watch it and there's stream this event watch it and there's stream this event watch it and there's no barrier to entry in terms of finances no barrier to entry in terms of finances no barrier to entry in terms of finances was there ever any chance that uh Gordon was there ever any chance that uh Gordon was there ever any chance that uh Gordon Ryan would enter I don't think so I Ryan would enter I don't think so I Ryan would enter I don't think so I don't think so is that something you don't think so is that something you don't think so is that something you tried me and Gordon don't text each tried me and Gordon don't text each tried me and Gordon don't text each other too often I tag him on Instagram other too often I tag him on Instagram other too often I tag him on Instagram and things but he doesn't respond mhm and things but he doesn't respond mhm and things but he doesn't respond mhm tell me about your history with Nicholas tell me about your history with Nicholas tell me about your history with Nicholas merali my history with Nicholas maral merali my history with Nicholas maral merali my history with Nicholas maral actually it dates back to a time where actually it dates back to a time where actually it dates back to a time where probably he does not even remember back probably he does not even remember back probably he does not even remember back when I used to wear a kimono so I went when I used to wear a kimono so I went when I used to wear a kimono so I went to Abu Dhabi world I was chasing my gee to Abu Dhabi world I was chasing my gee to Abu Dhabi world I was chasing my gee Dreams yeah I lost in I can't even Dreams yeah I lost in I can't even Dreams yeah I lost in I can't even remember again probably the final know remember again probably the final know remember again probably the final know me I probably lost in the final against me I probably lost in the final against me I probably lost in the final against Tommy Lang laacer in the weight division Tommy Lang laacer in the weight division Tommy Lang laacer in the weight division this was the last year they did the this was the last year they did the this was the last year they did the absolute I went into the absolute I made absolute I went into the absolute I made absolute I went into the absolute I made it all the way to the semis Nicholas it all the way to the semis Nicholas it all the way to the semis Nicholas marali destroyed me in the gar I did hit marali destroyed me in the gar I did hit marali destroyed me in the gar I did hit a nice little reversal on him though he a nice little reversal on him though he a nice little reversal on him though he he passed my guard and I somehow he passed my guard and I somehow he passed my guard and I somehow reversed him from side control that's reversed him from side control that's reversed him from side control that's the only part of the match I share after the only part of the match I share after the only part of the match I share after which he swept me submitted me you which he swept me submitted me you which he swept me submitted me you reversed him from side control yeah okay reversed him from side control yeah okay reversed him from side control yeah okay so that could be like an instructional so that could be like an instructional so that could be like an instructional also I could yeah exactly exactly but uh also I could yeah exactly exactly but uh also I could yeah exactly exactly but uh right place right time though all right right place right time though all right right place right time though all right but then years later I left the team but then years later I left the team but then years later I left the team maryy replaced me so they've brought in maryy replaced me so they've brought in maryy replaced me so they've brought in a more credential handsome a more credential handsome a more credential handsome doesn't speak as well but they've doesn't speak as well but they've doesn't speak as well but they've brought him in he's my replacement he's brought him in he's my replacement he's brought him in he's my replacement he's coming to the team we face off at ADCC

coming to the team we face off at ADCC coming to the team we face off at ADCC I'm I do a heavier division thinking I I'm I do a heavier division thinking I I'm I do a heavier division thinking I looked at the names and I was like that looked at the names and I was like that looked at the names and I was like that looks like an easier Division and I had looks like an easier Division and I had looks like an easier Division and I had two teammates at the time that were in two teammates at the time that were in two teammates at the time that were in my 88 and I was like those guys will my 88 and I was like those guys will my 88 and I was like those guys will have to face off first round I'll have have to face off first round I'll have have to face off first round I'll have to face one of them second round the way to face one of them second round the way to face one of them second round the way they do the seating and the structure of they do the seating and the structure of they do the seating and the structure of the bracket so I was like I'll do 99 the bracket so I was like I'll do 99 the bracket so I was like I'll do 99 I'll leave 88 for the boys they both I'll leave 88 for the boys they both I'll leave 88 for the boys they both lost my division first round lost my division first round lost my division first round unfortunately so I face off against Mar unfortunately so I face off against Mar unfortunately so I face off against Mar gy beginning of day two lot of pressure gy beginning of day two lot of pressure gy beginning of day two lot of pressure because danah used to Corner me used to because danah used to Corner me used to because danah used to Corner me used to be my coach now he's be my coach now he's be my coach now he's cornering the Brazilians who we used to cornering the Brazilians who we used to cornering the Brazilians who we used to complain about as the enemy and I'm like complain about as the enemy and I'm like complain about as the enemy and I'm like what's going on over here like karate what's going on over here like karate what's going on over here like karate kid stuff I face off against Mary I go kid stuff I face off against Mary I go kid stuff I face off against Mary I go hard early because I think he can't hard early because I think he can't hard early because I think he can't defend leglocks for the first three defend leglocks for the first three defend leglocks for the first three minutes I'm just attacking legs legs minutes I'm just attacking legs legs minutes I'm just attacking legs legs legs I ended up sweeping him getting on legs I ended up sweeping him getting on legs I ended up sweeping him getting on top no points before the points period top no points before the points period top no points before the points period but I'm very tired I'm very tired at but I'm very tired I'm very tired at but I'm very tired I'm very tired at this point maral's big like there's some this point maral's big like there's some this point maral's big like there's some guys that get Juiced up to hit a certain guys that get Juiced up to hit a certain guys that get Juiced up to hit a certain weight that's what I did to enter this weight that's what I did to enter this weight that's what I did to enter this division you can't keep your gas tank division you can't keep your gas tank division you can't keep your gas tank maragal is just a big dude I don't who maragal is just a big dude I don't who maragal is just a big dude I don't who knows if he's on the juice or not but knows if he's on the juice or not but knows if he's on the juice or not but he's just naturally sits around 230 LBS he's just naturally sits around 230 LBS he's just naturally sits around 230 LBS or even or even or even 225 when you're naturally that big your 225 when you're naturally that big your 225 when you're naturally that big your gas Tank's a bit better again if you gas Tank's a bit better again if you gas Tank's a bit better again if you balloon yourself up on every substance balloon yourself up on every substance balloon yourself up on every substance possible gas tank surprisingly not too possible gas tank surprisingly not too possible gas tank surprisingly not too good so we have a bit of a close one good so we have a bit of a close one good so we have a bit of a close one decision goes my way ultimately finals decision goes my way ultimately finals decision goes my way ultimately finals next I lose that but that is sort of our next I lose that but that is sort of our next I lose that but that is sort of our competitive history we were meant to

competitive history we were meant to competitive history we were meant to have a match that had been pre-booked have a match that had been pre-booked have a match that had been pre-booked immediately after ADCC so we agreed to immediately after ADCC so we agreed to immediately after ADCC so we agreed to this before this before this before ADCC I was like the price is right I'm ADCC I was like the price is right I'm ADCC I was like the price is right I'm in so I sign up for it and I'm thinking in so I sign up for it and I'm thinking in so I sign up for it and I'm thinking ADCC that we're going to face off soon ADCC that we're going to face off soon ADCC that we're going to face off soon after mly chose instead to have some after mly chose instead to have some after mly chose instead to have some vacation time he wanted to go on vacation time he wanted to go on vacation time he wanted to go on vacation he wanted to have relax bit of vacation he wanted to have relax bit of vacation he wanted to have relax bit of relaxation down in Brazil so the match relaxation down in Brazil so the match relaxation down in Brazil so the match is is is scrapped Flo hit me up and they say can scrapped Flo hit me up and they say can scrapped Flo hit me up and they say can you do February and this was about the you do February and this was about the you do February and this was about the time that vogs fored Islam in Perth I time that vogs fored Islam in Perth I time that vogs fored Islam in Perth I was like no I can't do February because was like no I can't do February because was like no I can't do February because I'll be helping vulcanos that's going to I'll be helping vulcanos that's going to I'll be helping vulcanos that's going to take precedence over this match Flo goes take precedence over this match Flo goes take precedence over this match Flo goes you know what we'll do we'll announce it you know what we'll do we'll announce it you know what we'll do we'll announce it anyway we'll sell those tickets anyway anyway we'll sell those tickets anyway anyway we'll sell those tickets anyway we'll get the people hyped and then we'll get the people hyped and then we'll get the people hyped and then we'll just have you pull out and I'm we'll just have you pull out and I'm we'll just have you pull out and I'm like all right do whatever do I'm like like all right do whatever do I'm like like all right do whatever do I'm like do whatever you want that's do whatever you want that's do whatever you want that's probably not a good idea but they do probably not a good idea but they do probably not a good idea but they do that and then people keep trying to that and then people keep trying to that and then people keep trying to rebook this match but now I barely even rebook this match but now I barely even rebook this match but now I barely even train anymore I'm busy being a promoter train anymore I'm busy being a promoter train anymore I'm busy being a promoter traveling around so now instead of traveling around so now instead of traveling around so now instead of facing in competition again which I facing in competition again which I facing in competition again which I would do if the price is right they'd would do if the price is right they'd would do if the price is right they'd have to pay me very well two of the have to pay me very well two of the have to pay me very well two of the shows have offered me the match but the shows have offered me the match but the shows have offered me the match but the money terrible what do you think is a money terrible what do you think is a money terrible what do you think is a number that would uh would convince number that would uh would convince number that would uh would convince you it would have to be I would think you it would have to be I would think you it would have to be I would think half a million dollars otherwise I just half a million dollars otherwise I just half a million dollars otherwise I just can't be bothered yeah you know what I can't be bothered yeah you know what I can't be bothered yeah you know what I mean it have to be worth it because to mean it have to be worth it because to mean it have to be worth it because to put a price on a guy that takes himself put a price on a guy that takes himself put a price on a guy that takes himself as serious as mar mar is a very serious as serious as mar mar is a very serious as serious as mar mar is a very serious man he's talking about authenticity he's

man he's talking about authenticity he's man he's talking about authenticity he's talking about words he doesn't even talking about words he doesn't even talking about words he doesn't even understand for me to give him the understand for me to give him the understand for me to give him the opportunity to live in a world where he opportunity to live in a world where he opportunity to live in a world where he had won the last match against me it's had won the last match against me it's had won the last match against me it's hard to put a price on that it's you hard to put a price on that it's you hard to put a price on that it's you know when people say it's not about the know when people say it's not about the know when people say it's not about the money it's not about the money it's money it's not about the money it's money it's not about the money it's about me waking up every day knowing about me waking up every day knowing about me waking up every day knowing that he knows he lost to me see so you that he knows he lost to me see so you that he knows he lost to me see so you think you've gotten it in his head yes think you've gotten it in his head yes think you've gotten it in his head yes how do you think you would do if you how do you think you would do if you how do you think you would do if you were to face him for the for the said were to face him for the for the said were to face him for the for the said 500,000 for the 500 yeah I think over 500,000 for the 500 yeah I think over 500,000 for the 500 yeah I think over five minutes I beat anyone in the world five minutes I beat anyone in the world five minutes I beat anyone in the world you still think you got it I still think you still think you got it I still think you still think you got it I still think I got it Gabby about to find out too all right so you're G to make a too all right so you're G to make a statement with Gabby like that it'll be statement with Gabby like that it'll be statement with Gabby like that it'll be a mat it'll be a match she a mat it'll be a match she a mat it'll be a match she remembers yeah she yeah she for sure m I remembers yeah she yeah she for sure m I remembers yeah she yeah she for sure m I think the fans remember it as well I'm think the fans remember it as well I'm think the fans remember it as well I'm open to like if we do this match I'm open to like if we do this match I'm open to like if we do this match I'm taking it very serious but we'd be open taking it very serious but we'd be open taking it very serious but we'd be open to rematches I've always said I would to rematches I've always said I would to rematches I've always said I would have a MMA flight with her I wouldn't be have a MMA flight with her I wouldn't be have a MMA flight with her I wouldn't be afraid to hit a big afraid to hit a big afraid to hit a big woman so unlike with merali if you win woman so unlike with merali if you win woman so unlike with merali if you win you're not going to ride out off to the you're not going to ride out off to the you're not going to ride out off to the sunset with Gabby I'm a bit of a sunset with Gabby I'm a bit of a sunset with Gabby I'm a bit of a romantic I think she deserves a few romantic I think she deserves a few romantic I think she deserves a few finishes you know not one and hit the finishes you know not one and hit the finishes you know not one and hit the bed that night so you think you think bed that night so you think you think bed that night so you think you think you you can actually beat Nicholas mgal you you can actually beat Nicholas mgal you you can actually beat Nicholas mgal I think so yeah I think I mean you could I think so yeah I think I mean you could I think so yeah I think I mean you could throw a riddle at him before the match throw a riddle at him before the match throw a riddle at him before the match that would complicate things for that would complicate things for that would complicate things for him for the next hour will you and him for the next hour will you and him for the next hour will you and Gordon ever get along again I think so I Gordon ever get along again I think so I Gordon ever get along again I think so I think we think we think we need the origins of MDMA was couples

need the origins of MDMA was couples need the origins of MDMA was couples therapy in the 70s in Houston I believe therapy in the 70s in Houston I believe therapy in the 70s in Houston I believe I believe something like that for us I believe something like that for us I believe something like that for us could resolve these underlying issues could resolve these underlying issues could resolve these underlying issues you're a man have readd it because they you're a man have readd it because they you're a man have readd it because they suggested that you should uh consider suggested that you should uh consider suggested that you should uh consider ketamine therapy sessions just imagine a ketamine therapy sessions just imagine a ketamine therapy sessions just imagine a therapist sitting down with him they therapist sitting down with him they therapist sitting down with him they they' be like clear the schedule for the they' be like clear the schedule for the they' be like clear the schedule for the the next couple weeks with all due the next couple weeks with all due the next couple weeks with all due respect Craig I can't imagine a respect Craig I can't imagine a respect Craig I can't imagine a therapist sitting down with you that therapist sitting down with you that therapist sitting down with you that that would be a terrifying I do have a that would be a terrifying I do have a that would be a terrifying I do have a therapist actually they prescribe me therapist actually they prescribe me therapist actually they prescribe me viance he's he's quite confident in my viance he's he's quite confident in my viance he's he's quite confident in my is this met andali or what did you is this met andali or what did you is this met andali or what did you mean it's a Russian Russian mean it's a Russian Russian mean it's a Russian Russian website it's the old Sean connory thing website it's the old Sean connory thing website it's the old Sean connory thing it's it's not a therapist it's just it's it's not a therapist it's just it's it's not a therapist it's just something that's spelled the same I something that's spelled the same I something that's spelled the same I think me and Gordon a debate of some think me and Gordon a debate of some think me and Gordon a debate of some thought would be awesome like a thought would be awesome like a thought would be awesome like a political debate yeah me representing political debate yeah me representing political debate yeah me representing Camala Harris and him representing Camala Harris and him representing Camala Harris and him representing Donald Trump Donald Trump Donald Trump are so intellectual sparring an are so intellectual sparring an are so intellectual sparring an intellectual battle a battle of intellectual battle a battle of intellectual battle a battle of wits can you just speak to your wits can you just speak to your wits can you just speak to your trolling is there like Underneath It All trolling is there like Underneath It All trolling is there like Underneath It All Is there just a a respect the hum human Is there just a a respect the hum human Is there just a a respect the hum human beings you go after for sure they have beings you go after for sure they have beings you go after for sure they have to be worthy of being attacked you know to be worthy of being attacked you know to be worthy of being attacked you know what I mean like um if someone attack what I mean like um if someone attack what I mean like um if someone attack that's the thing it's like you want a a that's the thing it's like you want a a that's the thing it's like you want a a worthy adversary not in a sense worthy adversary not in a sense worthy adversary not in a sense of I don't want to battle someone that of I don't want to battle someone that of I don't want to battle someone that has better ban than me because I'm going has better ban than me because I'm going has better ban than me because I'm going to lose but I want to battle someone to lose but I want to battle someone to lose but I want to battle someone with a profile large enough that it with a profile large enough that it with a profile large enough that it doesn't look like you're just who do you doesn't look like you're just who do you doesn't look like you're just who do you think is the biggest troll or think is the biggest troll or think is the biggest troll or talker in in martial arts hanada talker in in martial arts hanada talker in in martial arts hanada Lano yeah well you can't you can't even

Lano yeah well you can't you can't even Lano yeah well you can't you can't even put him in the he's in other class of put him in the he's in other class of put him in the he's in other class of human human human being he's over qualified CH sonen comes being he's over qualified CH sonen comes being he's over qualified CH sonen comes to mind ch's good you versus CH who to mind ch's good you versus CH who to mind ch's good you versus CH who who's a better talker if you look who's a better talker if you look who's a better talker if you look the entirety of the career CH is better the entirety of the career CH is better the entirety of the career CH is better I mean I think if you can talking I mean I think if you can talking I mean I think if you can talking MMA cuz there there's far worse MMA cuz there there's far worse MMA cuz there there's far worse consequences for you if you're still consequences for you if you're still consequences for you if you're still willing to do it when really violent willing to do it when really violent willing to do it when really violent things can happen to you I mean I'm things can happen to you I mean I'm things can happen to you I mean I'm getting death threats but like he he has getting death threats but like he he has getting death threats but like he he has a certainty of violence against his uh a certainty of violence against his uh a certainty of violence against his uh opponents in MMA so on Reddit somebody opponents in MMA so on Reddit somebody opponents in MMA so on Reddit somebody said you are a coral belt level Troll said you are a coral belt level Troll said you are a coral belt level Troll and uh just happen to be good at and uh just happen to be good at and uh just happen to be good at Jiu-Jitsu so what did it take for you to Jiu-Jitsu so what did it take for you to Jiu-Jitsu so what did it take for you to rise to the ranks of trolling from white rise to the ranks of trolling from white rise to the ranks of trolling from white belt to to Black Belt belt to to Black Belt belt to to Black Belt to Coral belt like what what's your to Coral belt like what what's your to Coral belt like what what's your journey with talking that's a good journey with talking that's a good journey with talking that's a good question hey I think it would have question hey I think it would have question hey I think it would have happened after I mov to America CU in happened after I mov to America CU in happened after I mov to America CU in Australia like we just on a daily basis Australia like we just on a daily basis Australia like we just on a daily basis say some of the worst things you could say some of the worst things you could say some of the worst things you could ever imagine like in private life yeah ever imagine like in private life yeah ever imagine like in private life yeah just we're just trying to ruin each just we're just trying to ruin each just we're just trying to ruin each other's day yeah in a way that's so Blas other's day yeah in a way that's so Blas other's day yeah in a way that's so Blas a you're going back and forth and the a you're going back and forth and the a you're going back and forth and the guy that actually gets upset and says guy that actually gets upset and says guy that actually gets upset and says some real that's your Victory you some real that's your Victory you some real that's your Victory you know what I mean like you're like oh we know what I mean like you're like oh we know what I mean like you're like oh we got sure you're actually that actually got sure you're actually that actually got sure you're actually that actually bothers you all right we'll take that as bothers you all right we'll take that as bothers you all right we'll take that as a victory all right so when you come to a victory all right so when you come to a victory all right so when you come to America and everybody takes themselves a America and everybody takes themselves a America and everybody takes themselves a little too seriously those are just a little too seriously those are just a little too seriously those are just a bunch of victims you can take advantage bunch of victims you can take advantage bunch of victims you can take advantage of an Australian entering American of an Australian entering American of an Australian entering American banter is like Neo getting his

banter is like Neo getting his banter is like Neo getting his Matrix skills you're just like whoa I Matrix skills you're just like whoa I Matrix skills you're just like whoa I see everything coming do you ever look see everything coming do you ever look see everything coming do you ever look in the mirror and like regret how hard in the mirror and like regret how hard in the mirror and like regret how hard you went in the paint at you went in the paint at you went in the paint at somebody I don't think so I don't think somebody I don't think so I don't think somebody I don't think so I don't think you so you're proud of yourself I think you so you're proud of yourself I think you so you're proud of yourself I think what I offer is some balance it's like what I offer is some balance it's like what I offer is some balance it's like um bringing some justice ultimately um bringing some justice ultimately um bringing some justice ultimately it'll probably come back in spades to me it'll probably come back in spades to me it'll probably come back in spades to me yeah I don't know as a fan of yours as a yeah I don't know as a fan of yours as a yeah I don't know as a fan of yours as a fan of Gordon's also but as a fan of fan of Gordon's also but as a fan of fan of Gordon's also but as a fan of yours I um I see the love behind it I yours I um I see the love behind it I yours I um I see the love behind it I don't know it's always it seems always don't know it's always it seems always don't know it's always it seems always just fun the talking seems fun I just fun the talking seems fun I just fun the talking seems fun I wish he'd buy it back he does he doesn't wish he'd buy it back he does he doesn't wish he'd buy it back he does he doesn't buy it back anymore though what's your buy it back anymore though what's your buy it back anymore though what's your relationship like with Mo the organizer relationship like with Mo the organizer relationship like with Mo the organizer of ADCC of ADCC of ADCC I mean it's been a love hate I mean it's been a love hate I mean it's been a love hate relationship I guess Gabby it's like any relationship I guess Gabby it's like any relationship I guess Gabby it's like any good relationship if you don't get good relationship if you don't get good relationship if you don't get blocked to the end of it were you really blocked to the end of it were you really blocked to the end of it were you really in love to begin with right that's my in love to begin with right that's my in love to begin with right that's my thoughts anyway but so in terms of my thoughts anyway but so in terms of my thoughts anyway but so in terms of my friendship with Mo me and mo were really friendship with Mo me and mo were really friendship with Mo me and mo were really close friends for a long time would talk close friends for a long time would talk close friends for a long time would talk a lot he was instrumental in us moving a lot he was instrumental in us moving a lot he was instrumental in us moving down her Des Squad to Puerto Rico he down her Des Squad to Puerto Rico he down her Des Squad to Puerto Rico he lives in Puerto Rico spends most of his lives in Puerto Rico spends most of his lives in Puerto Rico spends most of his time in Puerto time in Puerto time in Puerto Rico uh uh I've spent time with him in Rico uh uh I've spent time with him in Rico uh uh I've spent time with him in Florida Florida Florida California but in terms of our California but in terms of our California but in terms of our relationship I'm trying to think of an relationship I'm trying to think of an relationship I'm trying to think of an exact time where it went South but I exact time where it went South but I exact time where it went South but I guess in my him being the ADCC organizer guess in my him being the ADCC organizer guess in my him being the ADCC organizer in my attack of athlete

in my attack of athlete in my attack of athlete compensation was taken personally which compensation was taken personally which compensation was taken personally which is obviously going to ruin whatever is obviously going to ruin whatever is obviously going to ruin whatever friendship you had and that started friendship you had and that started friendship you had and that started around the time you weren't thinking around the time you weren't thinking around the time you weren't thinking about cji I mean to be about cji I mean to be about cji I mean to be honest honest honest cji was a result of the response of my cji was a result of the response of my cji was a result of the response of my discussion of athletic discussion of athletic discussion of athletic compensation so me and mo had been close compensation so me and mo had been close compensation so me and mo had been close friends even after the Dan of her uh friends even after the Dan of her uh friends even after the Dan of her uh Team broke up we were still close Team broke up we were still close Team broke up we were still close friends for quite a while after that but friends for quite a while after that but friends for quite a while after that but it does complicate things when someone it does complicate things when someone it does complicate things when someone is for all intensive purposes he as an is for all intensive purposes he as an is for all intensive purposes he as an ADCC competitor and he runs ADCC the ADCC competitor and he runs ADCC the ADCC competitor and he runs ADCC the event he's in control of it now he is event he's in control of it now he is event he's in control of it now he is your boss so that does complicate our your boss so that does complicate our your boss so that does complicate our friendship have you had a conversation friendship have you had a conversation friendship have you had a conversation since you announced cji have we had a since you announced cji have we had a since you announced cji have we had a conversation when did you get blocked I conversation when did you get blocked I conversation when did you get blocked I I honestly didn't get blocked I was just I honestly didn't get blocked I was just I honestly didn't get blocked I was just joking n honestly we had a disagreement joking n honestly we had a disagreement joking n honestly we had a disagreement about athlete conversation I said let's about athlete conversation I said let's about athlete conversation I said let's do a podcast and talk about it because do a podcast and talk about it because do a podcast and talk about it because I'm a big fan of I'm a big fan of I'm a big fan of transparency if you think I'm an idiot transparency if you think I'm an idiot transparency if you think I'm an idiot for thinking athletes should get paid for thinking athletes should get paid for thinking athletes should get paid more tell me it show show it to me and more tell me it show show it to me and more tell me it show show it to me and I've made public statements other people I've made public statements other people I've made public statements other people have asked why we don't get paid more have asked why we don't get paid more have asked why we don't get paid more money you can both tell me and the world money you can both tell me and the world money you can both tell me and the world at the same time that the grappling at the same time that the grappling at the same time that the grappling world at the same time but was not world at the same time but was not world at the same time but was not interested in doing a podcast again

interested in doing a podcast again interested in doing a podcast again maybe thought I was going to hit him maybe thought I was going to hit him maybe thought I was going to hit him with some gotcha questions or something with some gotcha questions or something with some gotcha questions or something but really at the end of the day I I but really at the end of the day I I but really at the end of the day I I personally believe you got nothing to personally believe you got nothing to personally believe you got nothing to hide if you are confident in the hide if you are confident in the hide if you are confident in the business decision decisions you've made business decision decisions you've made business decision decisions you've made then there's no gotta moment that I then there's no gotta moment that I then there's no gotta moment that I could actually do I could easily I would could actually do I could easily I would could actually do I could easily I would have done the podcast if I look like a have done the podcast if I look like a have done the podcast if I look like a complete idiot would have released it complete idiot would have released it complete idiot would have released it anyway because it would be a good anyway because it would be a good anyway because it would be a good message to where we are in the sport but message to where we are in the sport but message to where we are in the sport but again considering what I know about again considering what I know about again considering what I know about Thomas and Max price which I believe Thomas and Max price which I believe Thomas and Max price which I believe we're paying $200,000 for and T-Mobile's we're paying $200,000 for and T-Mobile's we're paying $200,000 for and T-Mobile's $2 $2 $2 million how do you justify no increase million how do you justify no increase million how do you justify no increase in athlete pay while we have a 1.8 in athlete pay while we have a 1.8 in athlete pay while we have a 1.8 million increase in venue cost so you're million increase in venue cost so you're million increase in venue cost so you're saying there there could potentially be saying there there could potentially be saying there there could potentially be poor po business decisions poor poor po business decisions poor poor po business decisions poor allocation of money that could be allocation of money that could be allocation of money that could be reallocated better to support the reallocated better to support the reallocated better to support the athletes I've never once thought this athletes I've never once thought this athletes I've never once thought this was some organization where Mo's like was some organization where Mo's like was some organization where Mo's like stealing money for himself I'm just stealing money for himself I'm just stealing money for himself I'm just saying saying saying that and again the road to Hell's paved that and again the road to Hell's paved that and again the road to Hell's paved with good intention so he might fully with good intention so he might fully with good intention so he might fully think that what he's doing is going to think that what he's doing is going to think that what he's doing is going to grow the sport I'm going about it in a grow the sport I'm going about it in a grow the sport I'm going about it in a completely different way I don't think completely different way I don't think completely different way I don't think we need T-Mobile I don't think we need a we need T-Mobile I don't think we need a we need T-Mobile I don't think we need a behind a pay wall I think we need cheap behind a pay wall I think we need cheap behind a pay wall I think we need cheap venue still maintain good quality venue still maintain good quality venue still maintain good quality production release it for free if you production release it for free if you production release it for free if you want something to want something to want something to grow present it for free is there a grow present it for free is there a grow present it for free is there a future where the two of you talk yeah future where the two of you talk yeah future where the two of you talk yeah for sure he keeps insisting on talking for sure he keeps insisting on talking for sure he keeps insisting on talking face to face I don't have a problem with face to face I don't have a problem with face to face I don't have a problem with that but my argument is this is a public

that but my argument is this is a public that but my argument is this is a public Feud the public like this is this is a Feud the public like this is this is a Feud the public like this is this is a we're having a disagreement let's settle we're having a disagreement let's settle we're having a disagreement let's settle the disagreement in a way that answers the disagreement in a way that answers the disagreement in a way that answers the question to the fans the question to the fans the question to the fans because if one of us is a complete idiot because if one of us is a complete idiot because if one of us is a complete idiot that I believe the world of people that I believe the world of people that I believe the world of people following this story are entitled to following this story are entitled to following this story are entitled to know which one of us is an idiot if you know which one of us is an idiot if you know which one of us is an idiot if you talk to him would you be good faith like talk to him would you be good faith like talk to him would you be good faith like would you uh turn off the or turn the would you uh turn off the or turn the would you uh turn off the or turn the troll down from 11 to like a three yeah troll down from 11 to like a three yeah troll down from 11 to like a three yeah I don't even think I'd need to troll him I don't even think I'd need to troll him I don't even think I'd need to troll him i' just say hey why like like show us i' just say hey why like like show us i' just say hey why like like show us the books you know what I mean like the books you know what I mean like the books you know what I mean like honestly when our event's done we're honestly when our event's done we're honestly when our event's done we're going to be pretty transparent going to be pretty transparent going to be pretty transparent obviously we are ran as a obviously we are ran as a obviously we are ran as a nonprofit we're going to be pretty nonprofit we're going to be pretty nonprofit we're going to be pretty transparent about everything and I mean transparent about everything and I mean transparent about everything and I mean obviously ultimately all the views we obviously ultimately all the views we obviously ultimately all the views we get when flow grab when an event on Flow get when flow grab when an event on Flow get when flow grab when an event on Flow grab playing or fight pass or any other grab playing or fight pass or any other grab playing or fight pass or any other streaming provider L it's a pay-per-view streaming provider L it's a pay-per-view streaming provider L it's a pay-per-view you're not going to know how many people you're not going to know how many people you're not going to know how many people watched so that's one aspect of what watched so that's one aspect of what watched so that's one aspect of what we're doing is we're going to have a we're doing is we're going to have a we're doing is we're going to have a visual sort of guide to how many people visual sort of guide to how many people visual sort of guide to how many people are fans of grappling yeah transparency are fans of grappling yeah transparency are fans of grappling yeah transparency in in all of its forms that's what in in all of its forms that's what in in all of its forms that's what bothers me about the IC with the bothers me about the IC with the bothers me about the IC with the Olympics is that there's this Olympics is that there's this Olympics is that there's this organization that puts on an incredible organization that puts on an incredible organization that puts on an incredible event but there's it's completely opaque event but there's it's completely opaque event but there's it's completely opaque it's not transparent and the athletes it's not transparent and the athletes it's not transparent and the athletes don't get paid uh almost at all so it's don't get paid uh almost at all so it's don't get paid uh almost at all so it's usually from sponsorships and they they usually from sponsorships and they they usually from sponsorships and they they sell distribution broadcast distribution

sell distribution broadcast distribution sell distribution broadcast distribution and so like it's mostly paywalled after and so like it's mostly paywalled after and so like it's mostly paywalled after after the fact it's very unless you're a after the fact it's very unless you're a after the fact it's very unless you're a super famous athlete or a famous event super famous athlete or a famous event super famous athlete or a famous event it's hard to to watch I don't know the it's hard to to watch I don't know the it's hard to to watch I don't know the the uh the early rounds of the the uh the early rounds of the the uh the early rounds of the weightlifting or the Judo or the all the weightlifting or the Judo or the all the weightlifting or the Judo or the all the competitions where most of those competitions where most of those competitions where most of those athletes get paid almost nothing and athletes get paid almost nothing and athletes get paid almost nothing and they've dedicated their whole life like they've dedicated their whole life like they've dedicated their whole life like they've sacrificed everything to be they've sacrificed everything to be they've sacrificed everything to be there and we don't get to watch them there and we don't get to watch them there and we don't get to watch them openly you can't in many case you can't openly you can't in many case you can't openly you can't in many case you can't even pay for it with with even pay for it with with even pay for it with with IC I've got to experience this because IC I've got to experience this because IC I've got to experience this because I'll have like podcast conversations I'll have like podcast conversations I'll have like podcast conversations with like judoka for example and I put with like judoka for example and I put with like judoka for example and I put like a little clip the podcast and uh like a little clip the podcast and uh like a little clip the podcast and uh the Olympics Channel takes it down the Olympics Channel takes it down the Olympics Channel takes it down immediately so they have all the videos immediately so they have all the videos immediately so they have all the videos uploaded private they're private oh to uploaded private they're private oh to uploaded private they're private oh to flag the copyright they just flag the flag the copyright they just flag the flag the copyright they just flag the copyright automatically from the private copyright automatically from the private copyright automatically from the private videos they could release they could videos they could release they could videos they could release they could release somewhere even if it's paywalled release somewhere even if it's paywalled release somewhere even if it's paywalled which I'm against but pay wall it but which I'm against but pay wall it but which I'm against but pay wall it but make it super easily accessible so the make it super easily accessible so the make it super easily accessible so the flow grappling model is still okay I'm flow grappling model is still okay I'm flow grappling model is still okay I'm against it uh but if you do a really against it uh but if you do a really against it uh but if you do a really good job of it okay I can kind of good job of it okay I can kind of good job of it okay I can kind of understand a membership fee but like it understand a membership fee but like it understand a membership fee but like it should be super easy to use but in the should be super easy to use but in the should be super easy to use but in the case of the Olympics first of all in the case of the Olympics first of all in the case of the Olympics first of all in the case of the Olympics the whole point of case of the Olympics the whole point of case of the Olympics the whole point of the Olympics is sort of to be accessible the Olympics is sort of to be accessible the Olympics is sort of to be accessible to everybody so pay Walling goes against to everybody so pay Walling goes against to everybody so pay Walling goes against the spirit of the Olympic Games and I the spirit of the Olympic Games and I the spirit of the Olympic Games and I would say the same is probably true for would say the same is probably true for would say the same is probably true for many sports like grappling especially many sports like grappling especially many sports like grappling especially for major events like ADCC that I feel for major events like ADCC that I feel for major events like ADCC that I feel like that should be openly accessible to

like that should be openly accessible to like that should be openly accessible to everybody like on every platform but you everybody like on every platform but you everybody like on every platform but you what was the decision like for you to to what was the decision like for you to to what was the decision like for you to to make it accessible on YouTube and x and make it accessible on YouTube and x and make it accessible on YouTube and x and well I mean just because basically it's well I mean just because basically it's well I mean just because basically it's going to grow the sport you know what I going to grow the sport you know what I going to grow the sport you know what I mean like it's if you have to subscribe mean like it's if you have to subscribe mean like it's if you have to subscribe to a platform to watch something you to a platform to watch something you to a platform to watch something you have a mild interest in a mild curiosity have a mild interest in a mild curiosity have a mild interest in a mild curiosity in there's a financial barrier there so in there's a financial barrier there so in there's a financial barrier there so I want to open it up because again we I want to open it up because again we I want to open it up because again we have an investor who's contributing and have an investor who's contributing and have an investor who's contributing and is happy for it to be spent this way is happy for it to be spent this way is happy for it to be spent this way happy for us not to be held hostage by happy for us not to be held hostage by happy for us not to be held hostage by these sort of streaming providers and these sort of streaming providers and these sort of streaming providers and really like again I'm not making really like again I'm not making really like again I'm not making accusations against flow grappling or accusations against flow grappling or accusations against flow grappling or UFC F bu they are making the right UFC F bu they are making the right UFC F bu they are making the right business decision by not providing business decision by not providing business decision by not providing streamer numbers because that's the streamer numbers because that's the streamer numbers because that's the leverage that those people can use leverage that those people can use leverage that those people can use against the streaming provider but for against the streaming provider but for against the streaming provider but for me as an individual athlete that really me as an individual athlete that really me as an individual athlete that really wants to understand the metrics of how wants to understand the metrics of how wants to understand the metrics of how many people actually watch this sport to many people actually watch this sport to many people actually watch this sport to leverage that in my own sponsorship leverage that in my own sponsorship leverage that in my own sponsorship negotiations then if I'm in a position negotiations then if I'm in a position negotiations then if I'm in a position to have this out free and also give to have this out free and also give to have this out free and also give every athlete involved the same metrics every athlete involved the same metrics every athlete involved the same metrics and information like you'll literally be and information like you'll literally be and information like you'll literally be able to see the spikes when you compete able to see the spikes when you compete able to see the spikes when you compete and you'll be able to take that and and you'll be able to take that and and you'll be able to take that and present it for opportunities for present it for opportunities for present it for opportunities for sponsorships for businesses to say look sponsorships for businesses to say look sponsorships for businesses to say look look how many views this got I was one look how many views this got I was one look how many views this got I was one of the most viewed moments of this event

of the most viewed moments of this event of the most viewed moments of this event so I want to put the power back in the so I want to put the power back in the so I want to put the power back in the athlete and take it away from the host athlete and take it away from the host athlete and take it away from the host and it creates a lot of incentive for and it creates a lot of incentive for and it creates a lot of incentive for the athlete to make it exciting yeah the athlete to make it exciting yeah the athlete to make it exciting yeah this is your time it might never happen this is your time it might never happen this is your time it might never happen again I fully intend to run this every again I fully intend to run this every again I fully intend to run this every year that's the goal but again it might year that's the goal but again it might year that's the goal but again it might never happen never happen never happen again is there a possible future where again is there a possible future where again is there a possible future where the 2026 ADCC is run by Craig Jones the 2026 ADCC is run by Craig Jones the 2026 ADCC is run by Craig Jones could I take over could I take over could I take over ADCC I think from an ADCC perspective it ADCC I think from an ADCC perspective it ADCC I think from an ADCC perspective it would make a lot of sense I think it would make a lot of sense I think it would make a lot of sense I think it would make a lot of sense to wait to see would make a lot of sense to wait to see would make a lot of sense to wait to see if this event turns into fire Festival if this event turns into fire Festival if this event turns into fire Festival first before you commit something like first before you commit something like first before you commit something like that but I think a more modern approach that but I think a more modern approach that but I think a more modern approach to the promotion of the event again I to the promotion of the event again I to the promotion of the event again I keep going back to the commedians you keep going back to the commedians you keep going back to the commedians you know what I mean if you're if you want know what I mean if you're if you want know what I mean if you're if you want to grow your brand whatever that may be to grow your brand whatever that may be to grow your brand whatever that may be provide content for free and you can pay provide content for free and you can pay provide content for free and you can pay well eventually you can grow the well eventually you can grow the well eventually you can grow the audience create the audience free you audience create the audience free you audience create the audience free you know I think the again if your goal is know I think the again if your goal is know I think the again if your goal is to to to create a huge sport here then it's like create a huge sport here then it's like create a huge sport here then it's like if we're already a niche Sport and if we're already a niche Sport and if we're already a niche Sport and competition aspect of that is it even competition aspect of that is it even competition aspect of that is it even smaller Niche then we need to grow that smaller Niche then we need to grow that smaller Niche then we need to grow that Pro providing this content for free well Pro providing this content for free well Pro providing this content for free well having just chatted with uh with Elon having just chatted with uh with Elon having just chatted with uh with Elon Musk who fundamentally believes that the Musk who fundamentally believes that the Musk who fundamentally believes that the most entertaining outcome is the most most entertaining outcome is the most most entertaining outcome is the most likely that to me if the universe has a likely that to me if the universe has a likely that to me if the universe has a sense of sense of sense of humor you would certainly Craig Jones humor you would certainly Craig Jones humor you would certainly Craig Jones would certainly be running ADCC which

would certainly be running ADCC which would certainly be running ADCC which would be I mean it would just be like would be I mean it would just be like would be I mean it would just be like beautifully hilarious it would it would beautifully hilarious it would it would beautifully hilarious it would it would be a poetic yeah ending it be a Underdog be a poetic yeah ending it be a Underdog be a poetic yeah ending it be a Underdog Story from a man that could never win Story from a man that could never win Story from a man that could never win the event to running the event on behalf the event to running the event on behalf the event to running the event on behalf of the shake of the shake of the shake tan uh so I saw B videos of uh the cji tan uh so I saw B videos of uh the cji tan uh so I saw B videos of uh the cji camp people training super hard so you camp people training super hard so you camp people training super hard so you aside who don't seem to do things in a aside who don't seem to do things in a aside who don't seem to do things in a standard way uh what does it take to standard way uh what does it take to standard way uh what does it take to sort of uh put yourself in a peak shape sort of uh put yourself in a peak shape sort of uh put yourself in a peak shape Peak Performance for for a huge event Peak Performance for for a huge event Peak Performance for for a huge event like this CJ or the like this CJ or the like this CJ or the ADCC I mean it's psychologically it's ADCC I mean it's psychologically it's ADCC I mean it's psychologically it's really really brutal like for me anytime really really brutal like for me anytime really really brutal like for me anytime I'm leading up to any event of any I'm leading up to any event of any I'm leading up to any event of any meaningful significance it's it's meaningful significance it's it's meaningful significance it's it's horrible on a psychological level horrible on a psychological level horrible on a psychological level because you're always thinking about are because you're always thinking about are because you're always thinking about are you training enough are you doing enough you training enough are you doing enough you training enough are you doing enough if you feel any signs of sickness if you feel any signs of sickness if you feel any signs of sickness injury the stress levels increase your injury the stress levels increase your injury the stress levels increase your Sleep Quality decreases it's all those Sleep Quality decreases it's all those Sleep Quality decreases it's all those little subtle things that are so hard to little subtle things that are so hard to little subtle things that are so hard to mitigate so like whether you feel like mitigate so like whether you feel like mitigate so like whether you feel like you're training hard enough you're you're training hard enough you're you're training hard enough you're overtraining those to me are the most overtraining those to me are the most overtraining those to me are the most difficult aspects and I think really difficult aspects and I think really difficult aspects and I think really those are an individual thing and that's those are an individual thing and that's those are an individual thing and that's really something where a coach can really something where a coach can really something where a coach can provide what he thinks to you is the provide what he thinks to you is the provide what he thinks to you is the right amount of work you know and I right amount of work you know and I right amount of work you know and I think that's different for different think that's different for different think that's different for different people I think Nicki Rod could do eight people I think Nicki Rod could do eight people I think Nicki Rod could do eight hours a day you know what I mean I think hours a day you know what I mean I think hours a day you know what I mean I think Nicki Ryan eight minutes I saw a video Nicki Ryan eight minutes I saw a video Nicki Ryan eight minutes I saw a video of Nicki Ryan like with a trash can

of Nicki Ryan like with a trash can of Nicki Ryan like with a trash can throwing up yes and and like the top throwing up yes and and like the top throwing up yes and and like the top comment is like that's him doing the comment is like that's him doing the comment is like that's him doing the warm-up warm-up warm-up that is satisfying to watch that is satisfying to watch that is satisfying to watch honestly yeah but yeah so you're honestly yeah but yeah so you're honestly yeah but yeah so you're supposed to train hard enough to where supposed to train hard enough to where supposed to train hard enough to where you have this confidence that you're you have this confidence that you're you have this confidence that you're prepared yeah I mean and it's an prepared yeah I mean and it's an prepared yeah I mean and it's an impossible thing to grasp it's like um impossible thing to grasp it's like um impossible thing to grasp it's like um some of the best performances I've had some of the best performances I've had some of the best performances I've had I've been C up last minute or I've been I've been C up last minute or I've been I've been C up last minute or I've been sick or my Camp's been horrible and for sick or my Camp's been horrible and for sick or my Camp's been horrible and for me personally I've gone in there and me personally I've gone in there and me personally I've gone in there and thought Oh relaxed almost like oh well thought Oh relaxed almost like oh well thought Oh relaxed almost like oh well the you know like you got caught up a the you know like you got caught up a the you know like you got caught up a week ago you injured you missed four week ago you injured you missed four week ago you injured you missed four weeks of your camp and I went in there weeks of your camp and I went in there weeks of your camp and I went in there super relaxed and accepting of the super relaxed and accepting of the super relaxed and accepting of the result and performed much better result and performed much better result and performed much better sometimes when I know three months out sometimes when I know three months out sometimes when I know three months out I've got an event coming up and that I've got an event coming up and that I've got an event coming up and that event only happens every two years it event only happens every two years it event only happens every two years it just the stress of that alone like I I just the stress of that alone like I I just the stress of that alone like I I personally on an individual level more personally on an individual level more personally on an individual level more of a I'd rather wing it I'd rather be in of a I'd rather wing it I'd rather be in of a I'd rather wing it I'd rather be in the stands and just roll down like the stands and just roll down like the stands and just roll down like Gunner Nelson I remember he had a Gunner Nelson I remember he had a Gunner Nelson I remember he had a brilliant performance in an 80cc brilliant performance in an 80cc brilliant performance in an 80cc absolute and he was out drinking the absolute and he was out drinking the absolute and he was out drinking the night before he had no idea he was night before he had no idea he was night before he had no idea he was competing the next day he was in the competing the next day he was in the competing the next day he was in the stands eating ice cream and they called stands eating ice cream and they called stands eating ice cream and they called his name out for the absolute and he his name out for the absolute and he his name out for the absolute and he went out there and I believe he got went out there and I believe he got went out there and I believe he got bronze I believe he beat Jeff mson so bronze I believe he beat Jeff mson so bronze I believe he beat Jeff mson so it's like it's different for different it's like it's different for different it's like it's different for different people obviously you don't want that to people obviously you don't want that to people obviously you don't want that to be the standard you've got to be putting be the standard you've got to be putting be the standard you've got to be putting in the work at all times but even now in in the work at all times but even now in in the work at all times but even now in my crazy travel schedule where I don't my crazy travel schedule where I don't my crazy travel schedule where I don't train anywhere near like I used to as

train anywhere near like I used to as train anywhere near like I used to as long as your game is Technical and as long as your game is Technical and as long as your game is Technical and as long long as your body's in good long long as your body's in good long long as your body's in good condition I believe you can still train condition I believe you can still train condition I believe you can still train well against worldclass guys you might well against worldclass guys you might well against worldclass guys you might not be able to do an hour straight but not be able to do an hour straight but not be able to do an hour straight but if you're technique if you're technique if you're technique orientated you're just losing Fitness so orientated you're just losing Fitness so orientated you're just losing Fitness so is it possible out card to out cardio is it possible out card to out cardio is it possible out card to out cardio Craig Jones like is is your game Craig Jones like is is your game Craig Jones like is is your game fundamentally a technique based game for fundamentally a technique based game for fundamentally a technique based game for sure for sure yeah I've never wanted to sure for sure yeah I've never wanted to sure for sure yeah I've never wanted to win anything bad enough to train win anything bad enough to train win anything bad enough to train properly for it right but isn't that the properly for it right but isn't that the properly for it right but isn't that the secret to your success being lazy I secret to your success being lazy I secret to your success being lazy I think so I think that's the can can be think so I think that's the can can be think so I think that's the can can be the only logical explanation you know the only logical explanation you know the only logical explanation you know and I also use it as mind games too like and I also use it as mind games too like and I also use it as mind games too like I again no one knows whether what I'm I again no one knows whether what I'm I again no one knows whether what I'm saying is true or not right and I'm not saying is true or not right and I'm not saying is true or not right and I'm not saying this story to say anything bad saying this story to say anything bad saying this story to say anything bad about my opponent at the time but I about my opponent at the time but I about my opponent at the time but I booked two matches and two consecutive booked two matches and two consecutive booked two matches and two consecutive weekends and I'd been traveling I think weekends and I'd been traveling I think weekends and I'd been traveling I think I just got back I just got back I just got back from one of my trips I've been over from one of my trips I've been over from one of my trips I've been over International sow I didn't even know International sow I didn't even know International sow I didn't even know where the I was but you're in Texas where the I was but you're in Texas where the I was but you're in Texas right now by the way just in case you right now by the way just in case you right now by the way just in case you forgot Texas just for you just came back forgot Texas just for you just came back forgot Texas just for you just came back thank you man this an honor but I uh thank you man this an honor but I uh thank you man this an honor but I uh hadn't really even trained I couldn't hadn't really even trained I couldn't hadn't really even trained I couldn't train like I was traveling just had no train like I was traveling just had no train like I was traveling just had no ability to train I trained for like a a ability to train I trained for like a a ability to train I trained for like a a week had the Phil row match and I said week had the Phil row match and I said week had the Phil row match and I said to myself I was down in Mexico City and to myself I was down in Mexico City and to myself I was down in Mexico City and I said you know I said you know I said you know what if you win this match you got to what if you win this match you got to what if you win this match you got to face levado next week don't go out and face levado next week don't go out and face levado next week don't go out and party don't celebrate the victory but as party don't celebrate the victory but as party don't celebrate the victory but as a 32y old man of the time heting a

a 32y old man of the time heting a a 32y old man of the time heting a flying triangle submission I thought flying triangle submission I thought flying triangle submission I thought that deemed a worthy Afterparty yeah and that deemed a worthy Afterparty yeah and that deemed a worthy Afterparty yeah and we got out of control that night and it we got out of control that night and it we got out of control that night and it wasn't until the next hour World Cup I wasn't until the next hour World Cup I wasn't until the next hour World Cup I was like oh I have Lavado next weekend was like oh I have Lavado next weekend was like oh I have Lavado next weekend but I'm also people don't know whether but I'm also people don't know whether but I'm also people don't know whether I'm telling the truth or not but it's I'm telling the truth or not but it's I'm telling the truth or not but it's also I'm almost too honest because I'll also I'm almost too honest because I'll also I'm almost too honest because I'll be like doing an interview saying yeah I be like doing an interview saying yeah I be like doing an interview saying yeah I was out partying I barely trained the was out partying I barely trained the was out partying I barely trained the opponent looks into that and they opponent looks into that and they opponent looks into that and they question it is he telling the truth is question it is he telling the truth is question it is he telling the truth is he baiting me is he really that he baiting me is he really that he baiting me is he really that unconcerned you know what I mean it's unconcerned you know what I mean it's unconcerned you know what I mean it's almost a psychological battle in and of almost a psychological battle in and of almost a psychological battle in and of itself but for the most part it's true itself but for the most part it's true itself but for the most part it's true so to you being psychologically relaxed so to you being psychologically relaxed so to you being psychologically relaxed is extremely important just not giving a is extremely important just not giving a is extremely important just not giving a d I wonder what that is not too much d I wonder what that is not too much d I wonder what that is not too much pressure I don't want I don't like the pressure I don't want I don't like the pressure I don't want I don't like the pressure but you like the pressure when pressure but you like the pressure when pressure but you like the pressure when it comes to internet talking well I it comes to internet talking well I it comes to internet talking well I mean you got to silently sit back and mean you got to silently sit back and mean you got to silently sit back and think about a good response you know think about a good response you know think about a good response you know yeah how important is it to just go yeah how important is it to just go yeah how important is it to just go crazy hard rounds leading up to crazy hard rounds leading up to crazy hard rounds leading up to competitions like that you said sort of competitions like that you said sort of competitions like that you said sort of Nikki but like on average for like Nikki but like on average for like Nikki but like on average for like athletes at World Class level do you athletes at World Class level do you athletes at World Class level do you have to put in the the hard rounds yeah have to put in the the hard rounds yeah have to put in the the hard rounds yeah I think you have to put in the hard I think you have to put in the hard I think you have to put in the hard rounds it depends at what point in your rounds it depends at what point in your rounds it depends at what point in your career you are you know like I think career you are you know like I think career you are you know like I think like someone like Niki Ryan might almost like someone like Niki Ryan might almost like someone like Niki Ryan might almost train to technically too often and when train to technically too often and when train to technically too often and when he comes to competition it's a he comes to competition it's a he comes to competition it's a confronting experience when someone hits confronting experience when someone hits confronting experience when someone hits him hard and he feels that pressure so I him hard and he feels that pressure so I him hard and he feels that pressure so I think different people require different think different people require different think different people require different things when Nikki when Nicki Rod is things when Nikki when Nicki Rod is things when Nikki when Nicki Rod is breaking the spine of a 37y old father a

breaking the spine of a 37y old father a breaking the spine of a 37y old father a three bus driver it might be time for three bus driver it might be time for three bus driver it might be time for him to train in a more technical manner him to train in a more technical manner him to train in a more technical manner so it's like you got to cater it to what so it's like you got to cater it to what so it's like you got to cater it to what they need and again depending on the they need and again depending on the they need and again depending on the opponent it's a game of strategy you opponent it's a game of strategy you opponent it's a game of strategy you know like for me when I was more active know like for me when I was more active know like for me when I was more active I look at an opponent that I want that I I look at an opponent that I want that I I look at an opponent that I want that I could steal some clout from of which the could steal some clout from of which the could steal some clout from of which the clout you can make money and I think to clout you can make money and I think to clout you can make money and I think to myself what's the best rul set I can myself what's the best rul set I can myself what's the best rul set I can beat him in mhm that's the strategy and beat him in mhm that's the strategy and beat him in mhm that's the strategy and then how would I beat him in that rule then how would I beat him in that rule then how would I beat him in that rule set so there's so many strategic layers set so there's so many strategic layers set so there's so many strategic layers to to go above and beyond to to go above and beyond to to go above and beyond just the training for me but nowadays I just the training for me but nowadays I just the training for me but nowadays I like to if I train short duration high like to if I train short duration high like to if I train short duration high intensity that's the best of me I don't intensity that's the best of me I don't intensity that's the best of me I don't like this six or like 10 six minute like this six or like 10 six minute like this six or like 10 six minute rounds whatever like I don't like this rounds whatever like I don't like this rounds whatever like I don't like this long training I don't like it's it's for long training I don't like it's it's for long training I don't like it's it's for me it's too much toll on the body I me it's too much toll on the body I me it's too much toll on the body I think um I go to the gym we bang maybe think um I go to the gym we bang maybe think um I go to the gym we bang maybe the first round slightly light and then the first round slightly light and then the first round slightly light and then just bang it out two hard rounds tops just bang it out two hard rounds tops just bang it out two hard rounds tops little bit of problem solving get out of little bit of problem solving get out of little bit of problem solving get out of there CU you want to there CU you want to there CU you want to feel the a little bit of the competition feel the a little bit of the competition feel the a little bit of the competition intensity that feels the best on my body intensity that feels the best on my body intensity that feels the best on my body uh when you're traveling you're doing uh when you're traveling you're doing uh when you're traveling you're doing seminars and just doing Jiu-Jitsu with seminars and just doing Jiu-Jitsu with seminars and just doing Jiu-Jitsu with folks are you training with them I'm folks are you training with them I'm folks are you training with them I'm sure there's like from everything I see sure there's like from everything I see sure there's like from everything I see people would love to train with people would love to train with people would love to train with you yeah they want to they wantan to I you yeah they want to they wantan to I you yeah they want to they wantan to I mean I don't know what it is mean I don't know what it is mean I don't know what it is obviously you I guess you it's like obviously you I guess you it's like obviously you I guess you it's like people want to play basketball with like people want to play basketball with like people want to play basketball with like a basketball star or something you know

a basketball star or something you know a basketball star or something you know what I mean but uh I guess if you played what I mean but uh I guess if you played what I mean but uh I guess if you played one-on-one with a basketballer there's one-on-one with a basketballer there's one-on-one with a basketballer there's no great risk of injury you know yeah no great risk of injury you know yeah no great risk of injury you know yeah that's that's that's the real problem is that's that's that's the real problem is that's that's that's the real problem is like uh if you don't roll at your like uh if you don't roll at your like uh if you don't roll at your seminar the seminar participants don't seminar the seminar participants don't seminar the seminar participants don't feel like they got The Full Experience feel like they got The Full Experience feel like they got The Full Experience yeah but there's snipers at these yeah but there's snipers at these yeah but there's snipers at these seminars there's these sharks that are seminars there's these sharks that are seminars there's these sharks that are circling wanting to attack you and you circling wanting to attack you and you circling wanting to attack you and you have to look at it you look at it from have to look at it you look at it from have to look at it you look at it from both perspectives I think you should both perspectives I think you should both perspectives I think you should provide excellent technique excellent provide excellent technique excellent provide excellent technique excellent question and answer time and I think you question and answer time and I think you question and answer time and I think you should roll a little bit for the most should roll a little bit for the most should roll a little bit for the most part these days I'll just roll 30 part these days I'll just roll 30 part these days I'll just roll 30 minutes straight I'll just do 10 guys 3 minutes straight I'll just do 10 guys 3 minutes straight I'll just do 10 guys 3 minutes no break 30 minutes straight I minutes no break 30 minutes straight I minutes no break 30 minutes straight I might even get the guy to pick because might even get the guy to pick because might even get the guy to pick because again if you some of these guys come in again if you some of these guys come in again if you some of these guys come in hot yeah it's terrifying man because so hot yeah it's terrifying man because so hot yeah it's terrifying man because so the thing is like with Anthony the thing is like with Anthony the thing is like with Anthony Bourdain sort of analogy here like Bourdain sort of analogy here like Bourdain sort of analogy here like you're exploring all parts of the world you're exploring all parts of the world you're exploring all parts of the world you just want to be there in the culture you just want to be there in the culture you just want to be there in the culture teach good techniques and just socialize teach good techniques and just socialize teach good techniques and just socialize you don't want to like there's just a you don't want to like there's just a you don't want to like there's just a bunch of killers that are trying to like bunch of killers that are trying to like bunch of killers that are trying to like murder you yeah they they to them murder you yeah they they to them murder you yeah they they to them they're like I get to test myself they're like I get to test myself they're like I get to test myself against a worldclass athlete today and against a worldclass athlete today and against a worldclass athlete today and to you you're like oh I'm in Odessa I'd to you you're like oh I'm in Odessa I'd to you you're like oh I'm in Odessa I'd like to get to know the people exactly like to get to know the people exactly like to get to know the people exactly try some food have a couple drinks and try some food have a couple drinks and try some food have a couple drinks and enjoy the place but to them it's time enjoy the place but to them it's time enjoy the place but to them it's time it's time to go you got to rope it open it's time to go you got to rope it open it's time to go you got to rope it open them a bit you know like if I if I meet them a bit you know like if I if I meet them a bit you know like if I if I meet pressure with pressure I get tired yeah pressure with pressure I get tired yeah pressure with pressure I get tired yeah but if I don't provide resistance where

but if I don't provide resistance where but if I don't provide resistance where they think there should be resistance they think there should be resistance they think there should be resistance now it slows their Pace down they get now it slows their Pace down they get now it slows their Pace down they get shocked a bit but 100% if I'm at a shocked a bit but 100% if I'm at a shocked a bit but 100% if I'm at a seminar and someone's rolling too hard seminar and someone's rolling too hard seminar and someone's rolling too hard with me if I feel like I might get hurt with me if I feel like I might get hurt with me if I feel like I might get hurt I will 100% rip a submission on them you I will 100% rip a submission on them you I will 100% rip a submission on them you know what I mean like it's like where know what I mean like it's like where know what I mean like it's like where you're confronted with a threat yeah you you're confronted with a threat yeah you you're confronted with a threat yeah you have to meet it with a threat it's like have to meet it with a threat it's like have to meet it with a threat it's like uh I've spoken about this with Ryan hle uh I've spoken about this with Ryan hle uh I've spoken about this with Ryan hle r h give him a warning and then gone and r h give him a warning and then gone and r h give him a warning and then gone and I think it's perfectly acceptable like I I think it's perfectly acceptable like I I think it's perfectly acceptable like I won't endanger them for no reason but if won't endanger them for no reason but if won't endanger them for no reason but if you're coming hot you better tap fast if you're coming hot you better tap fast if you're coming hot you better tap fast if I feel a threat you better tap I'm not I feel a threat you better tap I'm not I feel a threat you better tap I'm not going to break break it for the sake of going to break break it for the sake of going to break break it for the sake of breaking it but if you're if you do some breaking it but if you're if you do some breaking it but if you're if you do some crazy that might potentially hurt crazy that might potentially hurt crazy that might potentially hurt me and I get a me and I get a me and I get a submission and I'm tired if you're fresh submission and I'm tired if you're fresh submission and I'm tired if you're fresh you can catch a heel hook hold it tight you can catch a heel hook hold it tight you can catch a heel hook hold it tight the guy tries to wiggle out you got it the guy tries to wiggle out you got it the guy tries to wiggle out you got it yeah if you're tired and you've been yeah if you're tired and you've been yeah if you're tired and you've been nice with a heel hook and then they slip nice with a heel hook and then they slip nice with a heel hook and then they slip out and Club you on the head then next out and Club you on the head then next out and Club you on the head then next time it's going to be the last time well time it's going to be the last time well time it's going to be the last time well last time see you're another level you last time see you're another level you last time see you're another level you and Ry Hall just world class but like and Ry Hall just world class but like and Ry Hall just world class but like for me I'm trying to find navigate for me I'm trying to find navigate for me I'm trying to find navigate through this cuz I'd like to be able to through this cuz I'd like to be able to through this cuz I'd like to be able to roll you know like 10 rounds for fun for roll you know like 10 rounds for fun for roll you know like 10 rounds for fun for cultural like they're coming for you cultural like they're coming for you cultural like they're coming for you too and uh unfortunately ripping too and uh unfortunately ripping too and uh unfortunately ripping submissions are like you know neon belly submissions are like you know neon belly submissions are like you know neon belly some kind of dominant position people some kind of dominant position people some kind of dominant position people don't like hear the message at all or if

don't like hear the message at all or if don't like hear the message at all or if I let them submit me a bunch of times I let them submit me a bunch of times I let them submit me a bunch of times they don't calm down either so it's i' they don't calm down either so it's i' they don't calm down either so it's i' been trying to figure out uh how to been trying to figure out uh how to been trying to figure out uh how to solve that puzzle because i' like to solve that puzzle because i' like to solve that puzzle because i' like to keep rolling with people across the keep rolling with people across the keep rolling with people across the world for like for many more years to world for like for many more years to world for like for many more years to come but it's tough you can't do it if come but it's tough you can't do it if come but it's tough you can't do it if you if you've reached any level of you if you've reached any level of you if you've reached any level of notoriety whether it's in the sport or notoriety whether it's in the sport or notoriety whether it's in the sport or just as a celebrity you're better off to just as a celebrity you're better off to just as a celebrity you're better off to just have three four trusted training just have three four trusted training just have three four trusted training partners and train privately that's the partners and train privately that's the partners and train privately that's the sad situation people used to say oh you sad situation people used to say oh you sad situation people used to say oh you could be such and such a go to any gym could be such and such a go to any gym could be such and such a go to any gym no those days are over now now if you no those days are over now now if you no those days are over now now if you show up and you have any sort of name show up and you have any sort of name show up and you have any sort of name they're coming to kill you better they're coming to kill you better they're coming to kill you better honestly you're better off it's so much honestly you're better off it's so much honestly you're better off it's so much safer TR training is about trusting safer TR training is about trusting safer TR training is about trusting trust is built from safe rounds yeah trust is built from safe rounds yeah trust is built from safe rounds yeah strangers are scary I don't know I'm strangers are scary I don't know I'm strangers are scary I don't know I'm trying to do develop a radar when I look trying to do develop a radar when I look trying to do develop a radar when I look at a person trying to like figure out at a person trying to like figure out at a person trying to like figure out are they are they from Eastern Europe I are they are they from Eastern Europe I are they are they from Eastern Europe I tell you what the most D yeah that's a tell you what the most D yeah that's a tell you what the most D yeah that's a good one you know what anyone that wears good one you know what anyone that wears good one you know what anyone that wears a pitbull Sports rash guard yeah or a pitbull Sports rash guard yeah or a pitbull Sports rash guard yeah or anyone from the country of Poland be anyone from the country of Poland be anyone from the country of Poland be ready oh Polish people go hard people go ready oh Polish people go hard people go ready oh Polish people go hard people go hard I've never had a Flor roll with a hard I've never had a Flor roll with a hard I've never had a Flor roll with a Polish person uh somebody on Reddit Polish person uh somebody on Reddit Polish person uh somebody on Reddit asked how many legs did you break in asked how many legs did you break in asked how many legs did you break in Eastern Europe three or four to send a Eastern Europe three or four to send a Eastern Europe three or four to send a message or just for your own personal message or just for your own personal message or just for your own personal enjoyment I don't enjoy it you know they enjoyment I don't enjoy it you know they enjoyment I don't enjoy it you know they you don't enjoy the violence it is you don't enjoy the violence it is you don't enjoy the violence it is humorous after the fact though but I

humorous after the fact though but I humorous after the fact though but I mean it's just like hey like bro I'm jet mean it's just like hey like bro I'm jet mean it's just like hey like bro I'm jet lagged I'm tired I'm here for you guys lagged I'm tired I'm here for you guys lagged I'm tired I'm here for you guys why are you trying to hurt me you know why are you trying to hurt me you know why are you trying to hurt me you know like if I get a like if I get a like if I get a submission tap don't hesitate at all submission tap don't hesitate at all submission tap don't hesitate at all don't hesitate you know like it's like don't hesitate you know like it's like don't hesitate you know like it's like it's I mean you just is dangerous it's a it's I mean you just is dangerous it's a it's I mean you just is dangerous it's a dangerous thing and when strangers going dangerous thing and when strangers going dangerous thing and when strangers going crazy it's their sh they think they're crazy it's their sh they think they're crazy it's their sh they think they're getting invite the cji if they tell me getting invite the cji if they tell me getting invite the cji if they tell me it's just wild uh So speaking of which it's just wild uh So speaking of which it's just wild uh So speaking of which just for the hobbyist for a person just just for the hobbyist for a person just just for the hobbyist for a person just starting starting starting out what wisdom can you provide like say out what wisdom can you provide like say out what wisdom can you provide like say you you were tasked with coaching a uh you you were tasked with coaching a uh you you were tasked with coaching a uh beginner a hobby as beginner a hobby as beginner a hobby as beginner how would you help beginner how would you help beginner how would you help them uh become good in a them uh become good in a them uh become good in a year what would be the training regimen year what would be the training regimen year what would be the training regimen what would be their approach mental what would be their approach mental what would be their approach mental physical in terms of practice to yes I physical in terms of practice to yes I physical in terms of practice to yes I mean honestly picking safe training mean honestly picking safe training mean honestly picking safe training partners and trying to understand the partners and trying to understand the partners and trying to understand the positions and not just freaking out like positions and not just freaking out like positions and not just freaking out like uh you might Escape if you freak out but uh you might Escape if you freak out but uh you might Escape if you freak out but you also might be stuck in something and you also might be stuck in something and you also might be stuck in something and you injure yourself so it's like I think you injure yourself so it's like I think you injure yourself so it's like I think if you can it's it's just about if you can it's it's just about if you can it's it's just about longevity you know like uh if you can longevity you know like uh if you can longevity you know like uh if you can train find a a pace to train at and a train find a a pace to train at and a train find a a pace to train at and a like sort of intensity and the right like sort of intensity and the right like sort of intensity and the right people you could potentially train five people you could potentially train five people you could potentially train five years without injury it's really about years without injury it's really about years without injury it's really about how you move if you are always moving in how you move if you are always moving in how you move if you are always moving in an explosive way eventually you're going an explosive way eventually you're going an explosive way eventually you're going to do that from a position in which you

to do that from a position in which you to do that from a position in which you can't move and then something's going to can't move and then something's going to can't move and then something's going to tear and you also want to be able to tear and you also want to be able to tear and you also want to be able to trust training Partners to not go too trust training Partners to not go too trust training Partners to not go too crazy inflict too much pain you know crazy inflict too much pain you know crazy inflict too much pain you know what I mean it's like what I mean it's like what I mean it's like uh yeah I think I've managed to avoid a uh yeah I think I've managed to avoid a uh yeah I think I've managed to avoid a lot of injuries because I just never lot of injuries because I just never lot of injuries because I just never roll too athletically roll too athletically roll too athletically explosively I think I'm probably explosively I think I'm probably explosively I think I'm probably incapable of moving at that R of speed incapable of moving at that R of speed incapable of moving at that R of speed so that's part of it is you the way you so that's part of it is you the way you so that's part of it is you the way you move but I guess you also don't allow move but I guess you also don't allow move but I guess you also don't allow anybody to put you in a really bad anybody to put you in a really bad anybody to put you in a really bad position in terms of hurting you I let position in terms of hurting you I let position in terms of hurting you I let them put me in bad position but I try to them put me in bad position but I try to them put me in bad position but I try to stay relaxed at all times you know stay relaxed at all times you know stay relaxed at all times you know that's the that's the key here is like that's the that's the key here is like that's the that's the key here is like uh I mean yeah obviously you got the uh I mean yeah obviously you got the uh I mean yeah obviously you got the cheesy keep it playful but it's like you cheesy keep it playful but it's like you cheesy keep it playful but it's like you if you really keep if you can remain if you really keep if you can remain if you really keep if you can remain calm in bad positions that is a skill calm in bad positions that is a skill calm in bad positions that is a skill that's your confidence not in yourself that's your confidence not in yourself that's your confidence not in yourself but that the other guy is incapable of but that the other guy is incapable of but that the other guy is incapable of submitting you that's the ultimate submitting you that's the ultimate submitting you that's the ultimate confidence you can give them whatever confidence you can give them whatever confidence you can give them whatever you want so the thing you want as a you want so the thing you want as a you want so the thing you want as a beginner is to focus on minimizing beginner is to focus on minimizing beginner is to focus on minimizing injury by by relaxing by not going by injury by by relaxing by not going by injury by by relaxing by not going by not freaking out yeah it's keeping it at not freaking out yeah it's keeping it at not freaking out yeah it's keeping it at a pace so you can understand what just a pace so you can understand what just a pace so you can understand what just happened the thing is like how do you happened the thing is like how do you happened the thing is like how do you know if you're freaking out or not as a know if you're freaking out or not as a know if you're freaking out or not as a beginner it feels like a if you're beginner it feels like a if you're beginner it feels like a if you're panicking yeah if you're P that's a good panicking yeah if you're P that's a good panicking yeah if you're P that's a good if you're I mean I see a lot of if you're I mean I see a lot of if you're I mean I see a lot of beginners kind of breathing starting to beginners kind of breathing starting to beginners kind of breathing starting to breathe hard they they tense up that's breathe hard they they tense up that's breathe hard they they tense up that's probably underneath that is Panic yeah probably underneath that is Panic yeah probably underneath that is Panic yeah if you can make someone Panic you will if you can make someone Panic you will if you can make someone Panic you will fatigue them it's the same it's like if fatigue them it's the same it's like if fatigue them it's the same it's like if you're even if you're higher level and you're even if you're higher level and you're even if you're higher level and you're worried about getting your guard you're worried about getting your guard you're worried about getting your guard pasted it's the Panic that leads to

pasted it's the Panic that leads to pasted it's the Panic that leads to fatigue in your guide retention but if fatigue in your guide retention but if fatigue in your guide retention but if you're if you're so flexible you remain you're if you're so flexible you remain you're if you're so flexible you remain calm I think it's cuz you're not calm I think it's cuz you're not calm I think it's cuz you're not panicked fear is the mind panicked fear is the mind panicked fear is the mind killer but also you have one of the more killer but also you have one of the more killer but also you have one of the more Innovative games in in Innovative games in in Innovative games in in Jiu-Jitsu history how do you develop Jiu-Jitsu history how do you develop Jiu-Jitsu history how do you develop that how how do how do you continue that how how do how do you continue that how how do how do you continue throughout your career how how are you throughout your career how how are you throughout your career how how are you innovating what was your approach to innovating what was your approach to innovating what was your approach to learning and figuring positions out learning and figuring positions out learning and figuring positions out figuring submissions out I mean figuring submissions out I mean figuring submissions out I mean Financial motivation if you can hit Financial motivation if you can hit Financial motivation if you can hit moves and no one else knows how to do moves and no one else knows how to do moves and no one else knows how to do yeah you can sell those instructionals yeah you can sell those instructionals yeah you can sell those instructionals but also it keeps it interesting because but also it keeps it interesting because but also it keeps it interesting because it's like uh I mean it can get stagnant it's like uh I mean it can get stagnant it's like uh I mean it can get stagnant and boring you know like a lot of uh and boring you know like a lot of uh and boring you know like a lot of uh people get to Blue Bel they're good at people get to Blue Bel they're good at people get to Blue Bel they're good at one thing they only do that one thing I one thing they only do that one thing I one thing they only do that one thing I think it's finding creative ways to beat think it's finding creative ways to beat think it's finding creative ways to beat people and sometimes creativ people and sometimes creativ people and sometimes creativ is in how they respond to it so if you is in how they respond to it so if you is in how they respond to it so if you can find a humiliating move to do to can find a humiliating move to do to can find a humiliating move to do to someone well not even necessarily someone well not even necessarily someone well not even necessarily humiliating but a move that is humiliating but a move that is humiliating but a move that is unexpected when you get who with unexpected when you get who with unexpected when you get who with something you don't expect I think that something you don't expect I think that something you don't expect I think that is sort of really one of the most fun is sort of really one of the most fun is sort of really one of the most fun aspects of it you know what I mean like aspects of it you know what I mean like aspects of it you know what I mean like you train to stay better than the people you train to stay better than the people you train to stay better than the people you're better than that's what keeps you you're better than that's what keeps you you're better than that's what keeps you in the game and finding creative ways to in the game and finding creative ways to in the game and finding creative ways to beat those people is some of the most beat those people is some of the most beat those people is some of the most entertainment so that's just something entertainment so that's just something entertainment so that's just something that brings you Joy uh that brings you Joy uh that brings you Joy uh is by doing the unexpected yeah trying is by doing the unexpected yeah trying is by doing the unexpected yeah trying to if you get swept with something that to if you get swept with something that to if you get swept with something that you don't think should you don't think should you don't think should work I think that's work I think that's work I think that's fulfillment so your your game is even a

fulfillment so your your game is even a fulfillment so your your game is even a bit trolly interesting so like but bit trolly interesting so like but bit trolly interesting so like but what's the actual process of like like what's the actual process of like like what's the actual process of like like with the zard all the Innovative stuff with the zard all the Innovative stuff with the zard all the Innovative stuff you've done there how do you come up you've done there how do you come up you've done there how do you come up with ideas there I mean ju just studying with ideas there I mean ju just studying with ideas there I mean ju just studying tape just study study tape and try to tape just study study tape and try to tape just study study tape and try to reverse engineer like if I see a if I reverse engineer like if I see a if I reverse engineer like if I see a if I see something or I train with someone see something or I train with someone see something or I train with someone and it and it and it feels you know when you have those feels you know when you have those feels you know when you have those moments where you're like oh I don't moments where you're like oh I don't moments where you're like oh I don't even know what they're doing here mhm even know what they're doing here mhm even know what they're doing here mhm and if you can put someone in position and if you can put someone in position and if you can put someone in position they don't understand that's also where they don't understand that's also where they don't understand that's also where they Panic so it's like creating they Panic so it's like creating they Panic so it's like creating different ways to make people panic but different ways to make people panic but different ways to make people panic but also I mean just Innovation like having also I mean just Innovation like having also I mean just Innovation like having fun with it you know like I guess uh the fun with it you know like I guess uh the fun with it you know like I guess uh the artistic aspect of it is fun you can be artistic aspect of it is fun you can be artistic aspect of it is fun you can be creative and how you can beat people did creative and how you can beat people did creative and how you can beat people did you say artistic or autistic both okay you say artistic or autistic both okay you say artistic or autistic both okay both just both just both just checking uh what's like the most checking uh what's like the most checking uh what's like the most Innovative thing you've come up with Innovative thing you've come up with Innovative thing you've come up with what's like what's like what's like some of the cooler ideas you've come up some of the cooler ideas you've come up some of the cooler ideas you've come up with on the mat I don't think I've come with on the mat I don't think I've come with on the mat I don't think I've come up with anything but I've popularized up with anything but I've popularized up with anything but I've popularized things you know like certain styles of things you know like certain styles of things you know like certain styles of leg entry I definitely didn't invent leg entry I definitely didn't invent leg entry I definitely didn't invent them but I popularized them octopus them but I popularized them octopus them but I popularized them octopus guard playing more from Turtle sort of guard playing more from Turtle sort of guard playing more from Turtle sort of the pinning style of game like you could the pinning style of game like you could the pinning style of game like you could like as a because of my jokes online put like as a because of my jokes online put like as a because of my jokes online put me in a position of power in the sport me in a position of power in the sport me in a position of power in the sport so that when I post content it can so that when I post content it can so that when I post content it can popularize a move or release an popularize a move or release an popularize a move or release an instruction or popularize a game but instruction or popularize a game but instruction or popularize a game but it's still I'm I'm not trying to sell it's still I'm I'm not trying to sell it's still I'm I'm not trying to sell inauthentic products I'm still I want inauthentic products I'm still I want inauthentic products I'm still I want the technique to work the technique to work the technique to work be functional but put some humor on top be functional but put some humor on top be functional but put some humor on top of it like power bottom your of it like power bottom your of it like power bottom your instructional names are pretty good and

instructional names are pretty good and instructional names are pretty good and but you changed that one I saw the name but you changed that one I saw the name but you changed that one I saw the name of that oh I mean of that oh I mean of that oh I mean unfortunately meta the ads were not unfortunately meta the ads were not unfortunately meta the ads were not appreciating some of that humor so we appreciating some of that humor so we appreciating some of that humor so we had to soften soften the titles a bit had to soften soften the titles a bit had to soften soften the titles a bit you got a you got a phone call from the you got a you got a phone call from the you got a you got a phone call from the man said change this I didn't allegedly man said change this I didn't allegedly man said change this I didn't allegedly right the company hosting it right the company hosting it right the company hosting it right right uh what do you think about right right uh what do you think about right right uh what do you think about Zuck in general like uh the fact that he Zuck in general like uh the fact that he Zuck in general like uh the fact that he trains J jits have you got a chance to trains J jits have you got a chance to trains J jits have you got a chance to train with him cuz you trained I haven't train with him cuz you trained I haven't train with him cuz you trained I haven't trained with him I met him when vog trained with him I met him when vog trained with him I met him when vog fought earlier we've spoken briefly fought earlier we've spoken briefly fought earlier we've spoken briefly interesting guy for sure um loves interesting guy for sure um loves interesting guy for sure um loves Jiu-Jitsu loves MMA he's really Jiu-Jitsu loves MMA he's really Jiu-Jitsu loves MMA he's really intending to compete in something I intending to compete in something I intending to compete in something I think competing in Jiu-Jitsu intends to think competing in Jiu-Jitsu intends to think competing in Jiu-Jitsu intends to compete in MMA has a beginner's mind is compete in MMA has a beginner's mind is compete in MMA has a beginner's mind is humble about it interesting was he ever humble about it interesting was he ever humble about it interesting was he ever in consideration for cji as a oh I mean in consideration for cji as a oh I mean in consideration for cji as a oh I mean we would love to have him would love to we would love to have him would love to we would love to have him would love to have him but he is coming off of ACL have him but he is coming off of ACL have him but he is coming off of ACL surgery I think he's returned to sport surgery I think he's returned to sport surgery I think he's returned to sport is August so I think he'll be back is August so I think he'll be back is August so I think he'll be back training again soon yeah what's your training again soon yeah what's your training again soon yeah what's your relationship has been like with with relationship has been like with with relationship has been like with with with wowski like what what have you with wowski like what what have you with wowski like what what have you learned about martial arts about learned about martial arts about learned about martial arts about grappling in different domains just grappling in different domains just grappling in different domains just training with him I mean for me training with him I mean for me training with him I mean for me personally what's so interesting about personally what's so interesting about personally what's so interesting about volkanovski is his I guess where came volkanovski is his I guess where came volkanovski is his I guess where came from you know like it's like uh you have from you know like it's like uh you have from you know like it's like uh you have pre-existing ideas of what a UFC pre-existing ideas of what a UFC pre-existing ideas of what a UFC champion is again I say it's similar to champion is again I say it's similar to champion is again I say it's similar to when I started training Jiu-Jitsu and I when I started training Jiu-Jitsu and I when I started training Jiu-Jitsu and I first traveled to America and got to first traveled to America and got to first traveled to America and got to train with some really famous people you

train with some really famous people you train with some really famous people you realize how relatable they are in some realize how relatable they are in some realize how relatable they are in some aspects volcanos trains a freestyle and aspects volcanos trains a freestyle and aspects volcanos trains a freestyle and it is humble beginnings humble Origins it is humble beginnings humble Origins it is humble beginnings humble Origins like it's like uh it's a small gym in a like it's like uh it's a small gym in a like it's like uh it's a small gym in a small sort of Beachside city they're small sort of Beachside city they're small sort of Beachside city they're running puzzle mans you know what I mean running puzzle mans you know what I mean running puzzle mans you know what I mean you think UFC champion you don't think you think UFC champion you don't think you think UFC champion you don't think puzzle Matt Jim you know what I mean puzzle Matt Jim you know what I mean puzzle Matt Jim you know what I mean like he's not training at a American top like he's not training at a American top like he's not training at a American top team he's not at one of these big gyms team he's not at one of these big gyms team he's not at one of these big gyms so to me it just shows what you're so to me it just shows what you're so to me it just shows what you're capable of through hard work and sort of capable of through hard work and sort of capable of through hard work and sort of self-educating in such an isolated place self-educating in such an isolated place self-educating in such an isolated place it's insane to me that he's still it's insane to me that he's still it's insane to me that he's still considered probably the pound-for-pound considered probably the pound-for-pound considered probably the pound-for-pound best featherweight ever in my opinion best featherweight ever in my opinion best featherweight ever in my opinion and he's basically come across and and he's basically come across and and he's basically come across and started late from a rugby started late from a rugby started late from a rugby background but also in terms of what background but also in terms of what background but also in terms of what I've learned on a technical level I've I've learned on a technical level I've I've learned on a technical level I've picked up a lot of stuff from him in picked up a lot of stuff from him in picked up a lot of stuff from him in sort of grappling exchanges how to get sort of grappling exchanges how to get sort of grappling exchanges how to get back up obviously wo wrestling um in back up obviously wo wrestling um in back up obviously wo wrestling um in terms of how Hardy trains how Hardy terms of how Hardy trains how Hardy terms of how Hardy trains how Hardy works the cardio aspect is insane his works the cardio aspect is insane his works the cardio aspect is insane his cardio workouts are absolutely insane so cardio workouts are absolutely insane so cardio workouts are absolutely insane so he's the opposite of you complete he's the opposite of you complete he's the opposite of you complete opposite of me probably publicly and opposite of me probably publicly and opposite of me probably publicly and privately as as an athlete yeah the privately as as an athlete yeah the privately as as an athlete yeah the amount of work he puts puts in and just amount of work he puts puts in and just amount of work he puts puts in and just his uh sheer sort of mental willpower I his uh sheer sort of mental willpower I his uh sheer sort of mental willpower I remember there's been a couple of times remember there's been a couple of times remember there's been a couple of times where I've watched him do weight Cuts where I've watched him do weight Cuts where I've watched him do weight Cuts where like that's horrible you're where like that's horrible you're where like that's horrible you're watching your your friend you know watching your your friend you know watching your your friend you know obviously we started as like basically I obviously we started as like basically I obviously we started as like basically I would help him in certain Jiu-Jitsu

would help him in certain Jiu-Jitsu would help him in certain Jiu-Jitsu aspects and then becomes a close friend aspects and then becomes a close friend aspects and then becomes a close friend of yours but the whole process of the of yours but the whole process of the of yours but the whole process of the MMA fight is horrible especially when MMA fight is horrible especially when MMA fight is horrible especially when you care about the person fighting you care about the person fighting you care about the person fighting because some of those weight Cuts you because some of those weight Cuts you because some of those weight Cuts you see are awful like you basically seen see are awful like you basically seen see are awful like you basically seen guys's eyes rolled back in their head guys's eyes rolled back in their head guys's eyes rolled back in their head like him just powering through a 5 kilo like him just powering through a 5 kilo like him just powering through a 5 kilo 10 lb cut yeah and just constantly 10 lb cut yeah and just constantly 10 lb cut yeah and just constantly talking about how easy it is but well talking about how easy it is but well talking about how easy it is but well clearly you I mean these guys look like clearly you I mean these guys look like clearly you I mean these guys look like they're dying you know like to push they're dying you know like to push they're dying you know like to push through that and then to push through through that and then to push through through that and then to push through some of the moments in his in his fight some of the moments in his in his fight some of the moments in his in his fight to watch him be completely relaxed until to watch him be completely relaxed until to watch him be completely relaxed until like 5 minutes before the fight and then like 5 minutes before the fight and then like 5 minutes before the fight and then he starts talking about you're never he starts talking about you're never he starts talking about you're never going to take this belt away from my going to take this belt away from my going to take this belt away from my family like he's singing about his family like he's singing about his family like he's singing about his family before he fights his kids you family before he fights his kids you family before he fights his kids you know you see the character change it's know you see the character change it's know you see the character change it's just absolutely insane to watch on the just absolutely insane to watch on the just absolutely insane to watch on the other side of that is obviously watching other side of that is obviously watching other side of that is obviously watching the ups and downs there's been so many the ups and downs there's been so many the ups and downs there's been so many UPS the last two have been Downs so you UPS the last two have been Downs so you UPS the last two have been Downs so you see in the full spectrum of the highest see in the full spectrum of the highest see in the full spectrum of the highest highs and the lowest lows how's he able highs and the lowest lows how's he able highs and the lowest lows how's he able to deal psychologically with with loss I to deal psychologically with with loss I to deal psychologically with with loss I don't know obviously still hungry still don't know obviously still hungry still don't know obviously still hungry still motivated yeah obviously I thrive in a motivated yeah obviously I thrive in a motivated yeah obviously I thrive in a losing environment but him losing environment but him losing environment but him him on the other hand I'm not sure I we him on the other hand I'm not sure I we him on the other hand I'm not sure I we we don't talk too much on that level we don't talk too much on that level we don't talk too much on that level obviously we check in his friends see obviously we check in his friends see obviously we check in his friends see what he's up to see what he's planning what he's up to see what he's planning what he's up to see what he's planning yeah uh we were trying to get him a yeah uh we were trying to get him a yeah uh we were trying to get him a grappling match at cji I won't say the grappling match at cji I won't say the grappling match at cji I won't say the reasons it fell throughh but we were

reasons it fell throughh but we were reasons it fell throughh but we were setting one up with mik mamichi but we setting one up with mik mamichi but we setting one up with mik mamichi but we couldn't get it couldn't get it couldn't get it done and you can't say the reasons why done and you can't say the reasons why done and you can't say the reasons why can't say the reason but would have been can't say the reason but would have been can't say the reason but would have been would have been awesome you think you would have been awesome you think you would have been awesome you think you could have set that up if you had more could have set that up if you had more could have set that up if you had more time like set something like like part time like set something like like part time like set something like like part of the challenge here is for some of of the challenge here is for some of of the challenge here is for some of these gigantic matchups I feel like it these gigantic matchups I feel like it these gigantic matchups I feel like it takes time yeah takes time yeah takes time yeah that being the promoter tournament not that being the promoter tournament not that being the promoter tournament not as bad the super fights really really as bad the super fights really really as bad the super fights really really difficult I don't think we could have difficult I don't think we could have difficult I don't think we could have set it up with more time that particular set it up with more time that particular set it up with more time that particular match but that was the dream that's what match but that was the dream that's what match but that was the dream that's what we were hoping to do but there's a lot we were hoping to do but there's a lot we were hoping to do but there's a lot of other interesting matchups you could of other interesting matchups you could of other interesting matchups you could have possibly gotten through if there's have possibly gotten through if there's have possibly gotten through if there's more time yeah I'd love to see I I mean more time yeah I'd love to see I I mean more time yeah I'd love to see I I mean personally I really want to see vogs and personally I really want to see vogs and personally I really want to see vogs and alga have an actual grappling match cuz alga have an actual grappling match cuz alga have an actual grappling match cuz we saw him get out of those deep we saw him get out of those deep we saw him get out of those deep submissions and apply a ton of ground submissions and apply a ton of ground submissions and apply a ton of ground and P I'd love to see him just have a and P I'd love to see him just have a and P I'd love to see him just have a grappling match I'd love to see more of grappling match I'd love to see more of grappling match I'd love to see more of the UFC stars have grappling matches the UFC stars have grappling matches the UFC stars have grappling matches especially if they've had any head especially if they've had any head especially if they've had any head trauma in a fight it's like he let's trauma in a fight it's like he let's trauma in a fight it's like he let's keep him busy because as you see some of keep him busy because as you see some of keep him busy because as you see some of those guys go crazy if they can't train those guys go crazy if they can't train those guys go crazy if they can't train uh what about the fights against mov you uh what about the fights against mov you uh what about the fights against mov you think V can beat him I think the first think V can beat him I think the first think V can beat him I think the first fight shy could beat him for sure showed fight shy could beat him for sure showed fight shy could beat him for sure showed it's possible even in the second fight it's possible even in the second fight it's possible even in the second fight when he reversed the grappling exchange when he reversed the grappling exchange when he reversed the grappling exchange I wish he'd tried to take makev down I I wish he'd tried to take makev down I I wish he'd tried to take makev down I really think he has a huge strength really think he has a huge strength really think he has a huge strength advantage against makev and I personally advantage against makev and I personally advantage against makev and I personally believe he has a fence wrestling believe he has a fence wrestling believe he has a fence wrestling Advantage you might not see it in a in a

Advantage you might not see it in a in a Advantage you might not see it in a in a sense of the technical hip tosses and sense of the technical hip tosses and sense of the technical hip tosses and things like that like really but I do things like that like really but I do things like that like really but I do believe V one of the best if not the believe V one of the best if not the believe V one of the best if not the best C dresser in the world who do you best C dresser in the world who do you best C dresser in the world who do you think wins in a grappling match that think wins in a grappling match that think wins in a grappling match that would be interesting be interesting the would be interesting be interesting the would be interesting be interesting the problem is to almost to while you while problem is to almost to while you while problem is to almost to while you while you are Champion like Islam is you could you are Champion like Islam is you could you are Champion like Islam is you could just never book him you could never get just never book him you could never get just never book him you could never get it what do you think uh makes the it what do you think uh makes the it what do you think uh makes the dastani wrestlers and Fighters so so dastani wrestlers and Fighters so so dastani wrestlers and Fighters so so good I mean I think personally those good I mean I think personally those good I mean I think personally those guys are just like they just love it guys are just like they just love it guys are just like they just love it it's just about like it's just about like it's just about like uh it's how they train like it's a fight uh it's how they train like it's a fight uh it's how they train like it's a fight to the death you know what I mean like to the death you know what I mean like to the death you know what I mean like it's just built in them they don't want it's just built in them they don't want it's just built in them they don't want to concede an inch ever I think for MMA to concede an inch ever I think for MMA to concede an inch ever I think for MMA and wrestling that can be very very good and wrestling that can be very very good and wrestling that can be very very good I think sometimes when those guys come I think sometimes when those guys come I think sometimes when those guys come over to Jitsu specific events they get over to Jitsu specific events they get over to Jitsu specific events they get leg lock they fall into traps overly leg lock they fall into traps overly leg lock they fall into traps overly aggressive or overly evasive but I think aggressive or overly evasive but I think aggressive or overly evasive but I think the way they train just is perfect for a the way they train just is perfect for a the way they train just is perfect for a fight a fight they can just forward fight a fight they can just forward fight a fight they can just forward pressure eat some shots grind a guy pressure eat some shots grind a guy pressure eat some shots grind a guy against the against the against the wall fence resing is technical Jiu-Jitsu wall fence resing is technical Jiu-Jitsu wall fence resing is technical Jiu-Jitsu is far more technical there's way more is far more technical there's way more is far more technical there's way more things you can do in a grappling things you can do in a grappling things you can do in a grappling scenario from top and bottom than I I scenario from top and bottom than I I scenario from top and bottom than I I think against the wall so a grinding think against the wall so a grinding think against the wall so a grinding nature of how they train works really nature of how they train works really nature of how they train works really good to walk a guy down and take him good to walk a guy down and take him good to walk a guy down and take him down against the wall and then obviously down against the wall and then obviously down against the wall and then obviously would ground and pound very good to hold would ground and pound very good to hold would ground and pound very good to hold a guy down so I think just never a guy down so I think just never a guy down so I think just never conceding an inch and training it's just conceding an inch and training it's just conceding an inch and training it's just they've done that since they were born

they've done that since they were born they've done that since they were born basically so you learn how to grind basically so you learn how to grind basically so you learn how to grind somebody down yeah like they're just somebody down yeah like they're just somebody down yeah like they're just trying to break each other at all times trying to break each other at all times trying to break each other at all times trying to have some dominance over other trying to have some dominance over other trying to have some dominance over other over their friends and train with but over their friends and train with but over their friends and train with but you think in the grappling context you think in the grappling context you think in the grappling context that's that that will not always that's that that will not always that's that that will not always translate no not when you can pull guard translate no not when you can pull guard translate no not when you can pull guard and submit from your back I think that and submit from your back I think that and submit from your back I think that sort of negates some of that grinding sort of negates some of that grinding sort of negates some of that grinding pressure I think that has to be met with pressure I think that has to be met with pressure I think that has to be met with more slow technical lateral movement I more slow technical lateral movement I more slow technical lateral movement I think that's the way you like that's think that's the way you like that's think that's the way you like that's that would be the dream for me is a guy that would be the dream for me is a guy that would be the dream for me is a guy just comes straight forward into my just comes straight forward into my just comes straight forward into my guard so that grind that grinding guard so that grind that grinding guard so that grind that grinding approach works well if he's taken me approach works well if he's taken me approach works well if he's taken me down and got already close to me but if down and got already close to me but if down and got already close to me but if if I'm laying flat on my back and he's if I'm laying flat on my back and he's if I'm laying flat on my back and he's standing and he has to engage he has all standing and he has to engage he has all standing and he has to engage he has all that danger at range yeah but if he can that danger at range yeah but if he can that danger at range yeah but if he can connect to my body before we go down connect to my body before we go down connect to my body before we go down yeah now we're in his world again I yeah now we're in his world again I yeah now we're in his world again I think I wonder if it's like you know think I wonder if it's like you know think I wonder if it's like you know Edis Prime could be versus you for Edis Prime could be versus you for Edis Prime could be versus you for example who do you think wins there example who do you think wins there example who do you think wins there buggy Chu for sure buggy Chu no way I buggy Chu for sure buggy Chu no way I buggy Chu for sure buggy Chu no way I know you're know you're know you're joking we getting with the buggy aring joking we getting with the buggy aring joking we getting with the buggy aring really so you you can get the buggy really so you you can get the buggy really so you you can get the buggy choke on at the highest at the highest choke on at the highest at the highest choke on at the highest at the highest level can you educate me on that like level can you educate me on that like level can you educate me on that like that legitimately can work at the that legitimately can work at the that legitimately can work at the highest level Bucky choke for sure yeah highest level Bucky choke for sure yeah highest level Bucky choke for sure yeah catch anyone really okay you know the catch anyone really okay you know the catch anyone really okay you know the buggy buggy buggy believer I I'm not I'm not a buggy hater believer I I'm not I'm not a buggy hater believer I I'm not I'm not a buggy hater either I'm just I'm agnostic on the buggy choke

just I'm agnostic on the buggy choke kabib would go to sleep for sure yeah kabib would go to sleep for sure yeah kabib would go to sleep for sure yeah yeah there's no way he would tap to a yeah there's no way he would tap to a yeah there's no way he would tap to a buggy chug I tried who was it I faced buggy chug I tried who was it I faced buggy chug I tried who was it I faced recently I faced Russian guy from Tatar recently I faced Russian guy from Tatar recently I faced Russian guy from Tatar I couldn't buggy him I had I was trying I couldn't buggy him I had I was trying I couldn't buggy him I had I was trying to close guard one though sort of like a to close guard one though sort of like a to close guard one though sort of like a it is harder to pull off but he I had to it is harder to pull off but he I had to it is harder to pull off but he I had to put him to sleep twice at the end of the put him to sleep twice at the end of the put him to sleep twice at the end of the match with a triangle but he was just match with a triangle but he was just match with a triangle but he was just willing like I don't know Eastern willing like I don't know Eastern willing like I don't know Eastern European guys it's like what like they F European guys it's like what like they F European guys it's like what like they F they treating it like a real fight you they treating it like a real fight you they treating it like a real fight you know have you ever like gone hard with a know have you ever like gone hard with a know have you ever like gone hard with a dastani person like grappling wrestling dastani person like grappling wrestling dastani person like grappling wrestling any of the fighters on any of the MMA any of the fighters on any of the MMA any of the fighters on any of the MMA guys have I have I have I I mean they do guys have I have I have I I mean they do guys have I have I have I I mean they do train hard they do train hard when I did train hard they do train hard when I did train hard they do train hard when I did the seminar in Odessa it was out of the seminar in Odessa it was out of the seminar in Odessa it was out of school but another school in the city school but another school in the city school but another school in the city brought like 10 dagani guys all of them brought like 10 dagani guys all of them brought like 10 dagani guys all of them went insanely hard okay I was like guys went insanely hard okay I was like guys went insanely hard okay I was like guys what's okay I it's a small sample size what's okay I it's a small sample size what's okay I it's a small sample size but they all wanted to be broken what do but they all wanted to be broken what do but they all wanted to be broken what do you think you as the wise Sage of you think you as the wise Sage of you think you as the wise Sage of Jiu-Jitsu if you look 10 20 years out Jiu-Jitsu if you look 10 20 years out Jiu-Jitsu if you look 10 20 years out how do you think the game is going to how do you think the game is going to how do you think the game is going to evolve the art of it the art of it I evolve the art of it the art of it I evolve the art of it the art of it I mean I think obviously people are going mean I think obviously people are going mean I think obviously people are going to keep innovating to keep innovating to keep innovating perfecting certain things throwing out perfecting certain things throwing out perfecting certain things throwing out information bad sort of techniques bad information bad sort of techniques bad information bad sort of techniques bad sort of but Ian so hard to predict it's sort of but Ian so hard to predict it's sort of but Ian so hard to predict it's like that's the game of making money off like that's the game of making money off like that's the game of making money off the instructionals is predicting where the instructionals is predicting where the instructionals is predicting where we go next it's so so difficult what do we go next it's so so difficult what do we go next it's so so difficult what do you think is going to be the most you think is going to be the most you think is going to be the most popular submissions on CGI and ADCC this popular submissions on CGI and ADCC this popular submissions on CGI and ADCC this year is it going be full locks or you're

year is it going be full locks or you're year is it going be full locks or you're naked I think uh actually CJ naked I think uh actually CJ naked I think uh actually CJ I I think there's going to be a lot of I I think there's going to be a lot of I I think there's going to be a lot of guys that don't tap that take injuries guys that don't tap that take injuries guys that don't tap that take injuries yeah a small concern is that a guy wins yeah a small concern is that a guy wins yeah a small concern is that a guy wins the match but is so injured he's can the match but is so injured he's can the match but is so injured he's can barely go on to the next match yeah but barely go on to the next match yeah but barely go on to the next match yeah but win the battle lose the war we are going win the battle lose the war we are going win the battle lose the war we are going to see that aren't we people refusing to to see that aren't we people refusing to to see that aren't we people refusing to tap we actually we did the walkth tap we actually we did the walkth tap we actually we did the walkth through yesterday and we were like one through yesterday and we were like one through yesterday and we were like one ambulance is not enough get a second one ambulance is not enough get a second one ambulance is not enough get a second one here yeah cuz if they take one guy here yeah cuz if they take one guy here yeah cuz if they take one guy injured to hospital we can't continue injured to hospital we can't continue injured to hospital we can't continue until an ambulance comes back so these until an ambulance comes back so these until an ambulance comes back so these guys are are going to go everyone will guys are are going to go everyone will guys are are going to go everyone will be dag standing for a day yeah that's be dag standing for a day yeah that's be dag standing for a day yeah that's what I think this t to what I think this t to what I think this t to achieve but progression it would just be achieve but progression it would just be achieve but progression it would just be the integration of wrestling into the integration of wrestling into the integration of wrestling into Jiu-Jitsu you know I think that would be Jiu-Jitsu you know I think that would be Jiu-Jitsu you know I think that would be the most exciting way the sport could the most exciting way the sport could the most exciting way the sport could progress is progress is progress is basically folk style wrestling but an basically folk style wrestling but an basically folk style wrestling but an integration of submissions from a integration of submissions from a integration of submissions from a standing position to if you just follow standing position to if you just follow standing position to if you just follow the rules of you should always be the rules of you should always be the rules of you should always be fighting to get on top whether that's a fighting to get on top whether that's a fighting to get on top whether that's a submission that leads to a sweep or a submission that leads to a sweep or a submission that leads to a sweep or a sweep and you should be trying to avoid sweep and you should be trying to avoid sweep and you should be trying to avoid being pinned and as long as the Gang being pinned and as long as the Gang being pinned and as long as the Gang revolves around that and guys engage revolves around that and guys engage revolves around that and guys engage each other offensively on the feet that each other offensively on the feet that each other offensively on the feet that would be the most exciting best way to would be the most exciting best way to would be the most exciting best way to um watch the sport yeah when I show the um watch the sport yeah when I show the um watch the sport yeah when I show the sport as you Jitsu the most exciting sport as you Jitsu the most exciting sport as you Jitsu the most exciting stuff is whenever both people want to be stuff is whenever both people want to be stuff is whenever both people want to be like wrestling scrambling wrestling they like wrestling scrambling wrestling they like wrestling scrambling wrestling they want both want to get on top that looks want both want to get on top that looks want both want to get on top that looks like fighting versus guard stuff I'm a

like fighting versus guard stuff I'm a like fighting versus guard stuff I'm a guy that totally agrees with you but if guy that totally agrees with you but if guy that totally agrees with you but if I think the guy's a better wrestler I I think the guy's a better wrestler I I think the guy's a better wrestler I will concede you know like it's like will concede you know like it's like will concede you know like it's like that's the G that's the the hard part that's the G that's the the hard part that's the G that's the the hard part but then the whole the whole crowd will but then the whole the whole crowd will but then the whole the whole crowd will then mock you ceaselessly as they should then mock you ceaselessly as they should then mock you ceaselessly as they should for conceding that's what the million for conceding that's what the million for conceding that's what the million should be we should have a tournament or should be we should have a tournament or should be we should have a tournament or round robin thing where it's like the round robin thing where it's like the round robin thing where it's like the million goes to the most exciting man million goes to the most exciting man million goes to the most exciting man yeah who took the most risks I mean in a yeah who took the most risks I mean in a yeah who took the most risks I mean in a way that's what's going to happen way that's what's going to happen way that's what's going to happen because this is quite open so they the because this is quite open so they the because this is quite open so they the the benefit of being exciting is you're the benefit of being exciting is you're the benefit of being exciting is you're going to be glorified on social media going to be glorified on social media going to be glorified on social media and if you're going to be boring and and if you're going to be boring and and if you're going to be boring and stall you're going to be endlessly sort stall you're going to be endlessly sort stall you're going to be endlessly sort of ified and forget about Metals social of ified and forget about Metals social of ified and forget about Metals social media glory is all that matters well in media glory is all that matters well in media glory is all that matters well in a certain sense on a basic human level a certain sense on a basic human level a certain sense on a basic human level yeah I mean not what all that matters yeah I mean not what all that matters yeah I mean not what all that matters but it's you're not going to if you're but it's you're not going to if you're but it's you're not going to if you're going to stall you're going to become a going to stall you're going to become a going to stall you're going to become a meme I feel like especially with CGI and meme I feel like especially with CGI and meme I feel like especially with CGI and so is there are the refs going to try to so is there are the refs going to try to so is there are the refs going to try to stop stalling yeah we're going to stop stalling yeah we're going to stop stalling yeah we're going to penalize them hard hit them hard get penalize them hard hit them hard get penalize them hard hit them hard get that boring out of here so what that boring out of here so what that boring out of here so what percentage of athletes would you say are percentage of athletes would you say are percentage of athletes would you say are on on on steroids is it 100% anyone that's ever steroids is it 100% anyone that's ever steroids is it 100% anyone that's ever beaten me okay they're taking more beaten me okay they're taking more beaten me okay they're taking more steroids than steroids than steroids than me I don't know I wanted to uh test them me I don't know I wanted to uh test them me I don't know I wanted to uh test them but not to do anything bad but just in but not to do anything bad but just in but not to do anything bad but just in the name of science to see what people the name of science to see what people the name of science to see what people are running you know it's so hard to say are running you know it's so hard to say are running you know it's so hard to say cuz you like you train with people and cuz you like you train with people and cuz you like you train with people and they don't even tell you what they're on they don't even tell you what they're on they don't even tell you what they're on I tell the world what I'm on and they go I tell the world what I'm on and they go I tell the world what I'm on and they go look at you you're not taking any look at you you're not taking any look at you you're not taking any steroids it's like it's like a such a

steroids it's like it's like a such a steroids it's like it's like a such a secret secret thing I personally think secret secret thing I personally think secret secret thing I personally think it's almost impossible to say it's almost impossible to say it's almost impossible to say but the but occasionally you look at a but the but occasionally you look at a but the but occasionally you look at a guy and you you're pretty certain you guy and you you're pretty certain you guy and you you're pretty certain you know yeah the looks of it but it could know yeah the looks of it but it could know yeah the looks of it but it could also go the other way certain people are also go the other way certain people are also go the other way certain people are just genetically built and they look just genetically built and they look just genetically built and they look like they are and then there's probably like they are and then there's probably like they are and then there's probably others like yourself it's a it's a others like yourself it's a it's a others like yourself it's a it's a self-defense mechanism because you'd self-defense mechanism because you'd self-defense mechanism because you'd rather assume that that guy was on rather assume that that guy was on rather assume that that guy was on steroids than his genetics are so far steroids than his genetics are so far steroids than his genetics are so far superior to superior to superior to yours you're like n it must be yours you're like n it must be yours you're like n it must be ster yeah that's the part of uh ster yeah that's the part of uh ster yeah that's the part of uh accusation of people being a steroids accusation of people being a steroids accusation of people being a steroids that I hate it's like without data that I hate it's like without data that I hate it's like without data people are just like it's it's a way people are just like it's it's a way people are just like it's it's a way they can say that somebody's cheating they can say that somebody's cheating they can say that somebody's cheating without because I like celebrating without because I like celebrating without because I like celebrating people and sometimes people aren't on people and sometimes people aren't on people and sometimes people aren't on steroids and they aren't cheating and steroids and they aren't cheating and steroids and they aren't cheating and they're just good what about they're just good what about they're just good what about Gabby Gabby Gabby Garcia um I think she's beautiful Garcia um I think she's beautiful Garcia um I think she's beautiful strong uh and you're a lucky man to strong uh and you're a lucky man to strong uh and you're a lucky man to share the mat with her should be share the mat with her should be share the mat with her should be honored and I have I'm betting a huge honored and I have I'm betting a huge honored and I have I'm betting a huge amount of money on her so me too amount of money on her so me too amount of money on her so me too either way you're going to get paid either way you're going to get paid either way you're going to get paid she's paying 11 to one I bet on love as she's paying 11 to one I bet on love as she's paying 11 to one I bet on love as well so we are aligned in that way love well so we are aligned in that way love well so we are aligned in that way love will prevail okay you put Alex Jones to will prevail okay you put Alex Jones to will prevail okay you put Alex Jones to sleep uh just to reflect back on that what was he was too work he needed that what was he was too work he needed it so you that's you fighting the woke M it so you that's you fighting the woke M it so you that's you fighting the woke M virus or whatever finger was on the virus or whatever finger was on the virus or whatever finger was on the pulse too much what was that like I

pulse too much what was that like I pulse too much what was that like I didn't I didn't see the the full video I didn't I didn't see the the full video I didn't I didn't see the the full video I just saw the little clip I thought he just saw the little clip I thought he just saw the little clip I thought he was dead for a second but I for some was dead for a second but I for some was dead for a second but I for some strange reason couldn't stop laughing strange reason couldn't stop laughing strange reason couldn't stop laughing yeah I don't know I was like please wake yeah I don't know I was like please wake yeah I don't know I was like please wake up there's something there's something up there's something there's something up there's something there's something funny about it yeah I was like his blood funny about it yeah I was like his blood funny about it yeah I was like his blood prees higher than mine I hope that prees higher than mine I hope that prees higher than mine I hope that didn't cook him yeah that would be quite didn't cook him yeah that would be quite didn't cook him yeah that would be quite sad it's so crazy he's murder somebody sad it's so crazy he's murder somebody sad it's so crazy he's murder somebody yeah he's probably the most just yeah he's probably the most just yeah he's probably the most just entertaining human being ever of like entertaining human being ever of like entertaining human being ever of like just just he just says the crate like just just he just says the crate like just just he just says the crate like off air he's always on it's like that's off air he's always on it's like that's off air he's always on it's like that's just he's always ready to to say some just he's always ready to to say some just he's always ready to to say some wild the craziest possible wild the craziest possible wild the craziest possible what's it like going to sleep I somehow what's it like going to sleep I somehow what's it like going to sleep I somehow have never gone to sleep I went to sleep have never gone to sleep I went to sleep have never gone to sleep I went to sleep one time l jobs was demonstrating a one time l jobs was demonstrating a one time l jobs was demonstrating a technique on me but I woke up straight technique on me but I woke up straight technique on me but I woke up straight away but for 10 seconds I didn't know away but for 10 seconds I didn't know away but for 10 seconds I didn't know who I was where I was what I was doing who I was where I was what I was doing who I was where I was what I was doing but that's it that's the only time about but that's it that's the only time about but that's it that's the only time about went went went out didn't feel good though some people out didn't feel good though some people out didn't feel good though some people say it feels good did not feel good cuz say it feels good did not feel good cuz say it feels good did not feel good cuz you were like what panicked lost yeah you were like what panicked lost yeah you were like what panicked lost yeah was just I just didn't know what was was just I just didn't know what was was just I just didn't know what was going on yeah and then you load that's a going on yeah and then you load that's a going on yeah and then you load that's a cool that must be a cool feeling to load cool that must be a cool feeling to load cool that must be a cool feeling to load it all back in like realize where am I I it all back in like realize where am I I it all back in like realize where am I I feel like that sometimes in a hotel when feel like that sometimes in a hotel when feel like that sometimes in a hotel when I'm like traveling it's like where the I'm like traveling it's like where the I'm like traveling it's like where the am I again like when you wake up am I again like when you wake up am I again like when you wake up maybe that's what it's like some people maybe that's what it's like some people maybe that's what it's like some people push it too far David Kine you know what push it too far David Kine you know what push it too far David Kine you know what what I'm I'm too I'm too dumb to get what I'm I'm too I'm too dumb to get what I'm I'm too I'm too dumb to get that that that joke autoerotic asphixiation oh good joke autoerotic asphixiation oh good joke autoerotic asphixiation oh good thank you thank you now I know uh so thank you thank you now I know uh so thank you thank you now I know uh so given all the place you've gone all the

given all the place you've gone all the given all the place you've gone all the people you've seen people you've seen people you've seen recently what gives you hope about this recently what gives you hope about this recently what gives you hope about this whole thing we got going on about whole thing we got going on about whole thing we got going on about Humanity about this Humanity about this Humanity about this world we start War sometimes we do world we start War sometimes we do world we start War sometimes we do horrible things to each other horrible things to each other horrible things to each other sometimes W I missed all that what gives sometimes W I missed all that what gives sometimes W I missed all that what gives you hope that you can still make fun of you hope that you can still make fun of you hope that you can still make fun of anything as long as it's anything as long as it's anything as long as it's funny that's what I'm that's what I'm funny that's what I'm that's what I'm funny that's what I'm that's what I'm fighting for people talk about cancel fighting for people talk about cancel fighting for people talk about cancel culture I just think the joke wasn't culture I just think the joke wasn't culture I just think the joke wasn't funny funny funny enough head pull enough head pull enough head pull delivery well thank you for being at the delivery well thank you for being at the delivery well thank you for being at the Forefront of making fun of everything Forefront of making fun of everything Forefront of making fun of everything and anything and thank you for talking and anything and thank you for talking and anything and thank you for talking today brother thank you today brother thank you today brother thank you by thanks for listening to this by thanks for listening to this by thanks for listening to this conversation with Craig Jones to support conversation with Craig Jones to support conversation with Craig Jones to support this podcast please check out our this podcast please check out our this podcast please check out our sponsors in the description and now let sponsors in the description and now let sponsors in the description and now let me leave you with some words from me leave you with some words from me leave you with some words from Anthony Anthony Anthony Bourdain travel changes you as you move Bourdain travel changes you as you move Bourdain travel changes you as you move through this life and this world you through this life and this world you through this life and this world you change things slightly you leave marks change things slightly you leave marks change things slightly you leave marks behind however small and in return life behind however small and in return life behind however small and in return life and travel leaves marks on you and travel leaves marks on you and travel leaves marks on you thank you for listening and hope to see thank you for listening and hope to see thank you for listening and hope to see you next time