Paul Rosolie: Amazon Jungle, Uncontacted Tribes, Anacondas, and Ayahuasca | Lex Fridman Podcast #369

it was just like one of those moments it was just like one of those moments where we saw it at the same time and where we saw it at the same time and where we saw it at the same time and we're standing by the tail we're standing by the tail we're standing by the tail and the snake was so big that I mean and the snake was so big that I mean and the snake was so big that I mean this must have been a 25 foot anaconda this must have been a 25 foot anaconda this must have been a 25 foot anaconda dead asleep with a with a probably a 16 dead asleep with a with a probably a 16 dead asleep with a with a probably a 16 foot anaconda like sprawled across her foot anaconda like sprawled across her foot anaconda like sprawled across her and they're laying in the Starlight and and they're laying in the Starlight and and they're laying in the Starlight and we're floating on top of a lake standing we're floating on top of a lake standing we're floating on top of a lake standing there in the middle of the Amazon and JJ there in the middle of the Amazon and JJ there in the middle of the Amazon and JJ just I just I could feel the blood drain just I just I could feel the blood drain just I just I could feel the blood drain out of his face out of his face out of his face and as a however old I was you know and as a however old I was you know and as a however old I was you know maybe 20 years old I just said if I if maybe 20 years old I just said if I if maybe 20 years old I just said if I if we could somehow we could somehow we could somehow show people this show people this show people this will be on the front cover in National will be on the front cover in National will be on the front cover in National Geographic and we can protect all the Geographic and we can protect all the Geographic and we can protect all the jungle that we want jungle that we want jungle that we want and so I tried to catch it and so I tried to catch it and so I tried to catch it yeah so I jumped on the snake and the yeah so I jumped on the snake and the yeah so I jumped on the snake and the only measurement I have of this animal only measurement I have of this animal only measurement I have of this animal is that when I wrapped my arms around it is that when I wrapped my arms around it is that when I wrapped my arms around it I couldn't touch my fingers yeah and so I couldn't touch my fingers yeah and so I couldn't touch my fingers yeah and so I was you know my my feet were dragging I was you know my my feet were dragging I was you know my my feet were dragging into her credit this Anaconda did not into her credit this Anaconda did not into her credit this Anaconda did not turn around and eat me because her head turn around and eat me because her head turn around and eat me because her head was you know this bad and and she went was you know this bad and and she went was you know this bad and and she went and she reached the edge of the the and she reached the edge of the the and she reached the edge of the the Grass Island and she starts plunging Grass Island and she starts plunging Grass Island and she starts plunging into the dark and so I'm watching the into the dark and so I'm watching the into the dark and so I'm watching the Stars vibrate as this anaconda's going Stars vibrate as this anaconda's going Stars vibrate as this anaconda's going and I had to make the choice and I had to make the choice and I had to make the choice of either going head first down into the of either going head first down into the of either going head first down into the black which no thank you or stopping and black which no thank you or stopping and black which no thank you or stopping and just keeping my hand on this thing as it just keeping my hand on this thing as it just keeping my hand on this thing as it raced by me and I just felt the scales raced by me and I just felt the scales raced by me and I just felt the scales and the muscle and the power go by and and the muscle and the power go by and and the muscle and the power go by and then eventually taper down to the tail then eventually taper down to the tail then eventually taper down to the tail until it's Slipped Away into the until it's Slipped Away into the until it's Slipped Away into the darkness and I was laying there just

darkness and I was laying there just darkness and I was laying there just panting the following is conversation with Paul the following is conversation with Paul rosly a conservationist Explorer author rosly a conservationist Explorer author rosly a conservationist Explorer author filmmaker and real life Tarzan since for filmmaker and real life Tarzan since for filmmaker and real life Tarzan since for much of the past 17 years Paul has lived much of the past 17 years Paul has lived much of the past 17 years Paul has lived deep in the Amazon rainforest protecting deep in the Amazon rainforest protecting deep in the Amazon rainforest protecting endangered species and trees from endangered species and trees from endangered species and trees from poachers loggers and foreign Nations poachers loggers and foreign Nations poachers loggers and foreign Nations funding them he is the founder of jungle funding them he is the founder of jungle funding them he is the founder of jungle Keepers which today protects over 50 000 Keepers which today protects over 50 000 Keepers which today protects over 50 000 Acres of threatened habitat and Paul is Acres of threatened habitat and Paul is Acres of threatened habitat and Paul is one of the most incredible human beings one of the most incredible human beings one of the most incredible human beings I've ever met I hope to travel with him I've ever met I hope to travel with him I've ever met I hope to travel with him in the Amazon jungle one day because in in the Amazon jungle one day because in in the Amazon jungle one day because in his eyes I saw a truth that can only be his eyes I saw a truth that can only be his eyes I saw a truth that can only be discovered directly by spending time discovered directly by spending time discovered directly by spending time among the immensity and power of nature among the immensity and power of nature among the immensity and power of nature at its purest at its purest at its purest this is the Lex Friedman podcast to this is the Lex Friedman podcast to this is the Lex Friedman podcast to support it please check out our sponsors support it please check out our sponsors support it please check out our sponsors in the description and now dear friends in the description and now dear friends in the description and now dear friends here's Paul rosly here's Paul rosly here's Paul rosly in 2006 at 18 years old you fled New in 2006 at 18 years old you fled New in 2006 at 18 years old you fled New York and traveled to the Amazon York and traveled to the Amazon York and traveled to the Amazon this started a journey that I think this started a journey that I think this started a journey that I think lasts this day uh tell me about this lasts this day uh tell me about this lasts this day uh tell me about this First Leap what in your heart pulled you First Leap what in your heart pulled you First Leap what in your heart pulled you towards the Amazon jungle towards the Amazon jungle towards the Amazon jungle from the time I was you know three years from the time I was you know three years from the time I was you know three years old I'd say you know I was dinosaurs old I'd say you know I was dinosaurs old I'd say you know I was dinosaurs wildlife documentaries fever when you wildlife documentaries fever when you wildlife documentaries fever when you name it and like when my parents said name it and like when my parents said name it and like when my parents said you know nature versus nurture they they you know nature versus nurture they they you know nature versus nurture they they nurtured my nature I was always just nurtured my nature I was always just nurtured my nature I was always just drawn to

drawn to drawn to streams forests I wanted to go explore streams forests I wanted to go explore streams forests I wanted to go explore where the little little creek LED I where the little little creek LED I where the little little creek LED I wanted to see the turtles and the snakes wanted to see the turtles and the snakes wanted to see the turtles and the snakes and so I was a kid that hated school did and so I was a kid that hated school did and so I was a kid that hated school did not get along with school I was dyslexic not get along with school I was dyslexic not get along with school I was dyslexic and didn't know it undiagnosed I didn't and didn't know it undiagnosed I didn't and didn't know it undiagnosed I didn't read until I was like 10 years old like read until I was like 10 years old like read until I was like 10 years old like way behind and so for me the forest was way behind and so for me the forest was way behind and so for me the forest was safety like I remember one time in first safety like I remember one time in first safety like I remember one time in first grade they had you doing those you know grade they had you doing those you know grade they had you doing those you know those multiplication sheets that was those multiplication sheets that was those multiplication sheets that was pure hell for me and so I actually got pure hell for me and so I actually got pure hell for me and so I actually got so upset that I couldn't do it that I so upset that I couldn't do it that I so upset that I couldn't do it that I ran out the classroom ran out the door ran out the classroom ran out the door ran out the classroom ran out the door and went to the nearest woods and I and went to the nearest woods and I and went to the nearest woods and I stayed there because that was safe and stayed there because that was safe and stayed there because that was safe and so for me like once I got to the point so for me like once I got to the point so for me like once I got to the point where I was like high school isn't where I was like high school isn't where I was like high school isn't working out I had incredibly supported working out I had incredibly supported working out I had incredibly supported parents that were like look just get out parents that were like look just get out parents that were like look just get out take your GED get out of high school take your GED get out of high school take your GED get out of high school after 10th grade you got to go to after 10th grade you got to go to after 10th grade you got to go to college but like start doing something college but like start doing something college but like start doing something you love and so I saved up and bought a you love and so I saved up and bought a you love and so I saved up and bought a ticket to the Amazon and met some ticket to the Amazon and met some ticket to the Amazon and met some indigenous guys and the second I walked indigenous guys and the second I walked indigenous guys and the second I walked in that Forest it was like it's like the in that Forest it was like it's like the in that Forest it was like it's like the first scene in Jurassic Park when they first scene in Jurassic Park when they first scene in Jurassic Park when they see the dinosaurs and they go oh this is see the dinosaurs and they go oh this is see the dinosaurs and they go oh this is it yeah I walked in there and just I it yeah I walked in there and just I it yeah I walked in there and just I looked at those giant trees I saw leaf looked at those giant trees I saw leaf looked at those giant trees I saw leaf cutter ants in real life and I just went cutter ants in real life and I just went cutter ants in real life and I just went oh it was like the movie just started oh it was like the movie just started oh it was like the movie just started you know that was when that was when you know that was when that was when you know that was when that was when like I came online like I came online like I came online can you put in towards what is it about can you put in towards what is it about can you put in towards what is it about that place that felt like home what was that place that felt like home what was that place that felt like home what was it that Drew you what aspect of nature it that Drew you what aspect of nature it that Drew you what aspect of nature the streams the water the the forest the the streams the water the the forest the the streams the water the the forest the Jungle the animals what what Drew you Jungle the animals what what Drew you Jungle the animals what what Drew you uh it's just it's always been in my uh it's just it's always been in my uh it's just it's always been in my blood I mean for any Forest I mean

blood I mean for any Forest I mean blood I mean for any Forest I mean whether it's you know Upstate New York whether it's you know Upstate New York whether it's you know Upstate New York or or India or Borneo but the Amazon or or India or Borneo but the Amazon or or India or Borneo but the Amazon it's it's it's all of that turned up to it's it's it's all of that turned up to it's it's it's all of that turned up to this level where everything is this level where everything is this level where everything is superlatively diverse you know you have superlatively diverse you know you have superlatively diverse you know you have more plants and animals than anywhere more plants and animals than anywhere more plants and animals than anywhere else on Earth not just now but in the else on Earth not just now but in the else on Earth not just now but in the entire fossil record it's the Andes entire fossil record it's the Andes entire fossil record it's the Andes Amazon interface there's just that's Amazon interface there's just that's Amazon interface there's just that's terrestrally that's that's where it is terrestrally that's that's where it is terrestrally that's that's where it is that's the greatest library of life that that's the greatest library of life that that's the greatest library of life that has ever existed and so you're just has ever existed and so you're just has ever existed and so you're just you're so stimulated you're so you're so stimulated you're so you're so stimulated you're so overwhelmed with color and diversity and overwhelmed with color and diversity and overwhelmed with color and diversity and beauty and this overwhelming sense of beauty and this overwhelming sense of beauty and this overwhelming sense of natural Majesty of these you know natural Majesty of these you know natural Majesty of these you know thousand-year-old trees and half the thousand-year-old trees and half the thousand-year-old trees and half the life is up in the canopy of those trees life is up in the canopy of those trees life is up in the canopy of those trees we don't even have access to it there's we don't even have access to it there's we don't even have access to it there's stuff without names walking around on stuff without names walking around on stuff without names walking around on those branches and it's like it just those branches and it's like it just those branches and it's like it just takes you somewhere and so going there takes you somewhere and so going there takes you somewhere and so going there it was like it you know the guys I met it was like it you know the guys I met it was like it you know the guys I met just opened the door and they were like just opened the door and they were like just opened the door and they were like you know how far do you want to go down you know how far do you want to go down you know how far do you want to go down the rabbit hole how how much of this do the rabbit hole how how much of this do the rabbit hole how how much of this do you want to see you mentioned Steve you want to see you mentioned Steve you want to see you mentioned Steve Irvin uh you list a bunch of Heroes yeah Irvin uh you list a bunch of Heroes yeah Irvin uh you list a bunch of Heroes yeah have he's one of them and he said that have he's one of them and he said that have he's one of them and he said that when you're unsure about a decision you when you're unsure about a decision you when you're unsure about a decision you ask yourself uh wwsd what would Steve do ask yourself uh wwsd what would Steve do ask yourself uh wwsd what would Steve do why is that such a good heuristic for why is that such a good heuristic for why is that such a good heuristic for Life what would Steve do he's a human Life what would Steve do he's a human Life what would Steve do he's a human being that like everything we saw from being that like everything we saw from being that like everything we saw from Steve Irwin was positive everything was Steve Irwin was positive everything was Steve Irwin was positive everything was with a smile on his face if he was with a smile on his face if he was with a smile on his face if he was getting bitten by a reticulated python getting bitten by a reticulated python getting bitten by a reticulated python he was smiling if he was you know he was smiling if he was you know he was smiling if he was you know getting destroyed in the news for getting destroyed in the news for getting destroyed in the news for feeding a crocodile with his son too feeding a crocodile with his son too feeding a crocodile with his son too close he was trying to explain to people close he was trying to explain to people close he was trying to explain to people why it's okay and why we have to love why it's okay and why we have to love why it's okay and why we have to love these animals and everything was about these animals and everything was about these animals and everything was about love everything was about you know

love everything was about you know love everything was about you know wildlife and protecting and to me a wildlife and protecting and to me a wildlife and protecting and to me a person like that that where you only see person like that that where you only see person like that that where you only see positive things that's that's a role positive things that's that's a role positive things that's that's a role model and it's just like an endless model and it's just like an endless model and it's just like an endless curiosity and hunger to explore this curiosity and hunger to explore this curiosity and hunger to explore this this world of nature yeah and an this world of nature yeah and an this world of nature yeah and an insatiable Madness for for wildlife I insatiable Madness for for wildlife I insatiable Madness for for wildlife I mean the guy was just so much fun I mean the guy was just so much fun I mean the guy was just so much fun I gotta if it's okay uh read to you a few gotta if it's okay uh read to you a few gotta if it's okay uh read to you a few of your own words you opened oh boy the of your own words you opened oh boy the of your own words you opened oh boy the book Mother of God with the passage that book Mother of God with the passage that book Mother of God with the passage that I think beautifully Paints the scene I think beautifully Paints the scene I think beautifully Paints the scene before he died Santiago Duran told me a before he died Santiago Duran told me a before he died Santiago Duran told me a secret it was late at night in a palm secret it was late at night in a palm secret it was late at night in a palm thatched Hut on a bank of the temple thatched Hut on a bank of the temple thatched Hut on a bank of the temple Potter river deep in the southwestern Potter river deep in the southwestern Potter river deep in the southwestern corner of the Amazon basin besides the corner of the Amazon basin besides the corner of the Amazon basin besides the mud oven two wild boar heads sizzling mud oven two wild boar heads sizzling mud oven two wild boar heads sizzling sizzled in a cradle of Embers they're sizzled in a cradle of Embers they're sizzled in a cradle of Embers they're protruding tusks curling and static protruding tusks curling and static protruding tusks curling and static Agony as they cooked Agony as they cooked Agony as they cooked the smell of burning the smell of burning the smell of burning sacropia wood and cinched flesh filled sacropia wood and cinched flesh filled sacropia wood and cinched flesh filled air air air woven basket containing monkey skulls woven basket containing monkey skulls woven basket containing monkey skulls hung from the rafters Where Stars speak hung from the rafters Where Stars speak hung from the rafters Where Stars speak through the gaps in the thatching a pair through the gaps in the thatching a pair through the gaps in the thatching a pair of chickens huddled in the corner of chickens huddled in the corner of chickens huddled in the corner conversing Softly conversing Softly conversing Softly we sat facing each other on sturdy we sat facing each other on sturdy we sat facing each other on sturdy benches across a table hewn from a benches across a table hewn from a benches across a table hewn from a single cross section of some massive single cross section of some massive single cross section of some massive tree now nearly consumed by termites the tree now nearly consumed by termites the tree now nearly consumed by termites the song of a million insects and frogs song of a million insects and frogs song of a million insects and frogs filled the night filled the night filled the night Santiago's cigarette trembled in the H Santiago's cigarette trembled in the H Santiago's cigarette trembled in the H fingers as he leaned close over the

fingers as he leaned close over the fingers as he leaned close over the candlelight to describe a place hidden candlelight to describe a place hidden candlelight to describe a place hidden in the jungle that line in the jungle that line in the jungle that line the songs of a million insects and frogs the songs of a million insects and frogs the songs of a million insects and frogs filled the night for some reason hit me filled the night for some reason hit me filled the night for some reason hit me um what's it like sitting there um what's it like sitting there um what's it like sitting there conversing among so many living conversing among so many living conversing among so many living creatures all around you every night in creatures all around you every night in creatures all around you every night in the jungle you live in constant the jungle you live in constant the jungle you live in constant awareness of that out there in the awareness of that out there in the awareness of that out there in the Darkness Darkness Darkness are literally millions of heartbeats are literally millions of heartbeats are literally millions of heartbeats around you and so like around you and so like around you and so like we exist in this in this you know we exist in this in this you know we exist in this in this you know domesticated paved world most of the domesticated paved world most of the domesticated paved world most of the time but when you go out there past the time but when you go out there past the time but when you go out there past the roads and the and the telephone poles roads and the and the telephone poles roads and the and the telephone poles and the hospitals and you make it out and the hospitals and you make it out and the hospitals and you make it out into Earth just wild Earth and there's into Earth just wild Earth and there's into Earth just wild Earth and there's no there's no there's not like this is a no there's no there's not like this is a no there's no there's not like this is a national park there's no rescue national park there's no rescue national park there's no rescue helicopter waiting to come get you you helicopter waiting to come get you you helicopter waiting to come get you you are out there are out there are out there and you're surrounded at Night by I mean and you're surrounded at Night by I mean and you're surrounded at Night by I mean there are snakes and jaguars and frogs there are snakes and jaguars and frogs there are snakes and jaguars and frogs and insects and all this stuff just and insects and all this stuff just and insects and all this stuff just crawling through the swamps and through crawling through the swamps and through crawling through the swamps and through the trees and through the branches and the trees and through the branches and the trees and through the branches and we put on headlamps and go out into the we put on headlamps and go out into the we put on headlamps and go out into the night and just absolutely fall to our night and just absolutely fall to our night and just absolutely fall to our knees with Wonder of the things that we knees with Wonder of the things that we knees with Wonder of the things that we see it's it's absolutely incredible and see it's it's absolutely incredible and see it's it's absolutely incredible and most of it doesn't make sounds like the most of it doesn't make sounds like the most of it doesn't make sounds like the insects do the insects do the frogs do insects do the insects do the frogs do insects do the insects do the frogs do you have some of the night birds making you have some of the night birds making you have some of the night birds making sounds but a lot of it everything has sounds but a lot of it everything has sounds but a lot of it everything has evolved to be silent invisible evolved to be silent invisible evolved to be silent invisible I mean everything there is in the on on I mean everything there is in the on on I mean everything there is in the on on the list like like I there's another the list like like I there's another the list like like I there's another line in Mother of God where I said like line in Mother of God where I said like line in Mother of God where I said like you know like life is just like a you know like life is just like a you know like life is just like a temporary moment of stasis and like the temporary moment of stasis and like the temporary moment of stasis and like the churning recycling Death March that is churning recycling Death March that is

churning recycling Death March that is the Amazon like it's um it's been called the Amazon like it's um it's been called the Amazon like it's um it's been called the greatest natural Battlefield on the greatest natural Battlefield on the greatest natural Battlefield on Earth I mean if any in any square acre Earth I mean if any in any square acre Earth I mean if any in any square acre there's more stuff eating other things there's more stuff eating other things there's more stuff eating other things than anywhere else and and you go than anywhere else and and you go than anywhere else and and you go through a swamp in the Amazon through a swamp in the Amazon through a swamp in the Amazon and there's like this tarantulas and there's like this tarantulas and there's like this tarantulas floating on the water there's frogs in floating on the water there's frogs in floating on the water there's frogs in the trees there's there's the trees there's there's the trees there's there's tadpoles hanging from leaves waiting to tadpoles hanging from leaves waiting to tadpoles hanging from leaves waiting to drop into the water this fish waiting to drop into the water this fish waiting to drop into the water this fish waiting to eat them this Birds and the trees you eat them this Birds and the trees you eat them this Birds and the trees you literally are surrounded by so many literally are surrounded by so many literally are surrounded by so many things that your brain can't process it things that your brain can't process it things that your brain can't process it it's it's just overwhelming it's it's just overwhelming it's it's just overwhelming life life life churning Death March churning Death March churning Death March some of the creatures are waiting and some of the creatures are waiting and some of the creatures are waiting and some of them are being a bit more some of them are being a bit more some of them are being a bit more proactive about it proactive about it proactive about it what do you make of that what do you make of that what do you make of that churning Death March that the amount of churning Death March that the amount of churning Death March that the amount of murder that's happening all around you murder that's happening all around you murder that's happening all around you at all scales what is that you know we at all scales what is that you know we at all scales what is that you know we uh we dramatize Wars and the millions of uh we dramatize Wars and the millions of uh we dramatize Wars and the millions of people that were lost in World War II uh people that were lost in World War II uh people that were lost in World War II uh some of them tortured some of them dying some of them tortured some of them dying some of them tortured some of them dying uh with a gun in hand some of them uh with a gun in hand some of them uh with a gun in hand some of them civilians but it's just millions of civilians but it's just millions of civilians but it's just millions of people hmm what about the billions and people hmm what about the billions and people hmm what about the billions and billions and billions of organisms that billions and billions of organisms that billions and billions of organisms that are just being murdered all around you are just being murdered all around you are just being murdered all around you is that is that is that um do you does that change your view of um do you does that change your view of um do you does that change your view of nature of life here it I've always kind nature of life here it I've always kind nature of life here it I've always kind of wondered like that like when you see of wondered like that like when you see of wondered like that like when you see like a you know wildebeest taken down by like a you know wildebeest taken down by like a you know wildebeest taken down by lions and and eaten from behind while lions and and eaten from behind while lions and and eaten from behind while it's alive and it makes you question God

it's alive and it makes you question God it's alive and it makes you question God you know you go how could how could how you know you go how could how could how you know you go how could how could how could they let this happen could they let this happen could they let this happen um in the Amazon um in the Amazon um in the Amazon I find personally that these natural I find personally that these natural I find personally that these natural processes make up processes make up processes make up almost a religion almost a religion almost a religion that it reminds you how temporary we are that it reminds you how temporary we are that it reminds you how temporary we are that you know the the bot flies that are that you know the the bot flies that are that you know the the bot flies that are trying to get into your skin and the trying to get into your skin and the trying to get into your skin and the mosquitoes that are trying to suck your mosquitoes that are trying to suck your mosquitoes that are trying to suck your blood and the you know when that when blood and the you know when that when blood and the you know when that when you sweat you see you see the you you sweat you see you see the you you sweat you see you see the you literally can like hold out your arm and literally can like hold out your arm and literally can like hold out your arm and watch the condensation come off of your watch the condensation come off of your watch the condensation come off of your skin and rise up into the canopy and skin and rise up into the canopy and skin and rise up into the canopy and join the clouds and Rain back down in join the clouds and Rain back down in join the clouds and Rain back down in the afternoon and and then you drink the the afternoon and and then you drink the the afternoon and and then you drink the river and start it all over again and river and start it all over again and river and start it all over again and it's like it's flowing through you so it's like it's flowing through you so it's like it's flowing through you so uh the Amazon reminds me that that uh the Amazon reminds me that that uh the Amazon reminds me that that there's a lot that we don't understand there's a lot that we don't understand there's a lot that we don't understand and so when it comes to that and so when it comes to that and so when it comes to that overwhelming and Collective murder as overwhelming and Collective murder as overwhelming and Collective murder as Werner Herzog put it Werner Herzog put it Werner Herzog put it um it's just part of the show it's part um it's just part of the show it's part um it's just part of the show it's part of the freak Show of the Amazonian night of the freak Show of the Amazonian night of the freak Show of the Amazonian night I see you I you in certain moments able I see you I you in certain moments able I see you I you in certain moments able to feel one with a mosquito that's to feel one with a mosquito that's to feel one with a mosquito that's trying to kill you slowly and one with trying to kill you slowly and one with trying to kill you slowly and one with the mosquito is a stretch is it always the mosquito is a stretch is it always the mosquito is a stretch is it always the enemy what I mean is like you're the enemy what I mean is like you're the enemy what I mean is like you're part of the machine there right yeah and part of the machine there right yeah and part of the machine there right yeah and it's like Fair Play It's like fair play it's like Fair Play It's like fair play it's like Fair Play It's like fair play so like we have bullet ants and like you so like we have bullet ants and like you so like we have bullet ants and like you know you get you get nailed by a bullet know you get you get nailed by a bullet know you get you get nailed by a bullet ant you just go yeah well well done well ant you just go yeah well well done well ant you just go yeah well well done well today's today's over I'm going back to today's today's over I'm going back to today's today's over I'm going back to bed and I'm taking a pile of Tylenol and bed and I'm taking a pile of Tylenol and bed and I'm taking a pile of Tylenol and you know do you think in that sense you know do you think in that sense you know do you think in that sense when you're out there are you a part of

when you're out there are you a part of when you're out there are you a part of nature or you're separate from Nature's nature or you're separate from Nature's nature or you're separate from Nature's Man a part of nature or separate I think Man a part of nature or separate I think Man a part of nature or separate I think that's what's so refreshing about it is that's what's so refreshing about it is that's what's so refreshing about it is that out there you truly are that out there you truly are that out there you truly are and so whether we're bringing and so whether we're bringing and so whether we're bringing researchers or film Crews or or whether researchers or film Crews or or whether researchers or film Crews or or whether we're just out there ourselves on an we're just out there ourselves on an we're just out there ourselves on an expedition expedition expedition um you truly are a part of Nature and so um you truly are a part of Nature and so um you truly are a part of Nature and so one of the things that that my team and one of the things that that my team and one of the things that that my team and I started doing when I became friends I started doing when I became friends I started doing when I became friends with these guys you know this is a with these guys you know this is a with these guys you know this is a family of indigenous people from the family of indigenous people from the family of indigenous people from the community of infierno and they took me community of infierno and they took me community of infierno and they took me in and in and in and as we got close they started saying you as we got close they started saying you as we got close they started saying you know you can come with us on our like know you can come with us on our like know you can come with us on our like annual hunting trip and I went okay and annual hunting trip and I went okay and annual hunting trip and I went okay and it's four guys in a boat and you don't it's four guys in a boat and you don't it's four guys in a boat and you don't want to get your clothes wet so we're want to get your clothes wet so we're want to get your clothes wet so we're all in like our boxers in a canoe with a all in like our boxers in a canoe with a all in like our boxers in a canoe with a motor going out past the places that motor going out past the places that motor going out past the places that have names and you're out in the middle have names and you're out in the middle have names and you're out in the middle of the Jungle and the thing is like when of the Jungle and the thing is like when of the Jungle and the thing is like when you're when your motor breaks you are so you're when your motor breaks you are so you're when your motor breaks you are so quickly reminded of quickly reminded of quickly reminded of the inerrant truths like the things that the inerrant truths like the things that the inerrant truths like the things that nobody can argue with and we live in nobody can argue with and we live in nobody can argue with and we live in such a human world where everything is such a human world where everything is such a human world where everything is debatable religion and politics and debatable religion and politics and debatable religion and politics and perspectives on everything and then you perspectives on everything and then you perspectives on everything and then you get down to this point where it's like get down to this point where it's like get down to this point where it's like if we don't if we don't if we don't figure something out the river is going figure something out the river is going figure something out the river is going to rise and take the boat that's the to rise and take the boat that's the to rise and take the boat that's the truth and ain't nobody gonna like argue truth and ain't nobody gonna like argue truth and ain't nobody gonna like argue with that and it's like to me there's a with that and it's like to me there's a with that and it's like to me there's a beauty in that truth because then all of beauty in that truth because then all of beauty in that truth because then all of us are united there and that and that us are united there and that and that us are united there and that and that truth against like the natural facts truth against like the natural facts truth against like the natural facts around us around us around us and so to me I that's that's a state and so to me I that's that's a state and so to me I that's that's a state where I I feel very very at home and the

where I I feel very very at home and the where I I feel very very at home and the Amazon is more efficient than most Amazon is more efficient than most Amazon is more efficient than most places on Earth that swallowing you up places on Earth that swallowing you up places on Earth that swallowing you up oh God yeah okay oh God yeah okay oh God yeah okay so just a linger on that because you so just a linger on that because you so just a linger on that because you you've spoken about Francisco de aralana you've spoken about Francisco de aralana you've spoken about Francisco de aralana uh who's this Explorer in the in uh 1541 uh who's this Explorer in the in uh 1541 uh who's this Explorer in the in uh 1541 or 42 that still the length of the or 42 that still the length of the or 42 that still the length of the Amazon probably one of the first and Amazon probably one of the first and Amazon probably one of the first and that's just a few things that's just a few things that's just a few things I should probably read I should probably I should probably read I should probably I should probably read I should probably find a good book on him because the guy find a good book on him because the guy find a good book on him because the guy seems like a gangster yes um some great seems like a gangster yes um some great seems like a gangster yes um some great books on him so he sailed uh he led the books on him so he sailed uh he led the books on him so he sailed uh he led the expedition that sailed all the way for expedition that sailed all the way for expedition that sailed all the way for one end to the other one end to the other one end to the other there's like a rebuilding of a ship there's like a rebuilding of a ship there's like a rebuilding of a ship which is insanity yeah yeah so because which is insanity yeah yeah so because which is insanity yeah yeah so because it speaks to the thing it's like it speaks to the thing it's like it speaks to the thing it's like nobody's gonna come and rescue you no nobody's gonna come and rescue you no nobody's gonna come and rescue you no you have to if your boat dies you gotta you have to if your boat dies you gotta you have to if your boat dies you gotta have to rebuild it yeah so they came have to rebuild it yeah so they came have to rebuild it yeah so they came down the Andes entered in the headwaters down the Andes entered in the headwaters down the Andes entered in the headwaters of the Amazon constructed some sort of of the Amazon constructed some sort of of the Amazon constructed some sort of raft boat craft something and made it raft boat craft something and made it raft boat craft something and made it down the entire Amazon basin of course down the entire Amazon basin of course down the entire Amazon basin of course his stories are the ones that led to the his stories are the ones that led to the his stories are the ones that led to the Amazon being called the Amazon because Amazon being called the Amazon because Amazon being called the Amazon because he reported tribes of women he reported he reported tribes of women he reported he reported tribes of women he reported these large cities places where the these large cities places where the these large cities places where the tribes lived on farms of river turtles tribes lived on farms of river turtles tribes lived on farms of river turtles that they corralled and they lived off that they corralled and they lived off that they corralled and they lived off of that protein and then when they came of that protein and then when they came of that protein and then when they came out to the mouth of the Amazon if I out to the mouth of the Amazon if I out to the mouth of the Amazon if I remember it correctly that just through remember it correctly that just through remember it correctly that just through navigation and the Stars they were able navigation and the Stars they were able navigation and the Stars they were able to calculate where the way was back to to calculate where the way was back to to calculate where the way was back to Spain and make a boat seaworthy enough Spain and make a boat seaworthy enough Spain and make a boat seaworthy enough to bring them home to bring them home to bring them home hmm hmm hmm incredible absolutely do people like incredible absolutely do people like incredible absolutely do people like that inspire you your own Journey like

that inspire you your own Journey like that inspire you your own Journey like what gives you kind of strength that um what gives you kind of strength that um what gives you kind of strength that um in these harshes of times in harshes of in these harshes of times in harshes of in these harshes of times in harshes of conditions you can persevere yeah I mean conditions you can persevere yeah I mean conditions you can persevere yeah I mean you look at the stories of people that you look at the stories of people that you look at the stories of people that are so you know these stories of people are so you know these stories of people are so you know these stories of people that have overcome incredible suffering that have overcome incredible suffering that have overcome incredible suffering like that or like you know what like that or like you know what like that or like you know what Shackleton did or something like that Shackleton did or something like that Shackleton did or something like that and so like when you're you know I've and so like when you're you know I've and so like when you're you know I've been you know your tent gets washed away been you know your tent gets washed away been you know your tent gets washed away you go to sleep and the river Rises 20 you go to sleep and the river Rises 20 you go to sleep and the river Rises 20 feet and washes away your tent and you feet and washes away your tent and you feet and washes away your tent and you crawl out and all you have is Machete crawl out and all you have is Machete crawl out and all you have is Machete and a headlamp literally no bag no food and a headlamp literally no bag no food and a headlamp literally no bag no food no nothing and you go wow the next six no nothing and you go wow the next six no nothing and you go wow the next six days before I reach back to a town is days before I reach back to a town is days before I reach back to a town is gonna be just pure hell I'm gonna be gonna be just pure hell I'm gonna be gonna be just pure hell I'm gonna be sleeping on the ground covered in ants sleeping on the ground covered in ants sleeping on the ground covered in ants destroyed by mosquitoes and then it destroyed by mosquitoes and then it destroyed by mosquitoes and then it becomes you know am I in any capacity becomes you know am I in any capacity becomes you know am I in any capacity any percentage as tough and resilient as any percentage as tough and resilient as any percentage as tough and resilient as the people that I've read about that the people that I've read about that the people that I've read about that have made it through things far worse have made it through things far worse have made it through things far worse than this and and then that's the game than this and and then that's the game than this and and then that's the game you play what goes through your head all you play what goes through your head all you play what goes through your head all you got is the headlamp and the machete you got is the headlamp and the machete you got is the headlamp and the machete so are you uh thinking at all so are you uh thinking at all so are you uh thinking at all like I I've gotten a chance to interact like I I've gotten a chance to interact like I I've gotten a chance to interact quite a lot with Elon Musk and he quite a lot with Elon Musk and he quite a lot with Elon Musk and he constantly puts out fires having to run constantly puts out fires having to run constantly puts out fires having to run several companies there's never a kind several companies there's never a kind several companies there's never a kind of uh of uh of uh whiny deliberation about issues you just whiny deliberation about issues you just whiny deliberation about issues you just always always always one one step forward how to solve right one one step forward how to solve right one one step forward how to solve right this is the situation how do you solve this is the situation how do you solve this is the situation how do you solve it or do you also have a kind of it or do you also have a kind of it or do you also have a kind of self-motivating self-motivating self-motivating almost egotistical like I'm a bad almost egotistical like I'm a bad almost egotistical like I'm a bad motherfucker I can handle anything motherfucker I can handle anything motherfucker I can handle anything almost like trying to fake it till you almost like trying to fake it till you almost like trying to fake it till you make it kind of thing make it kind of thing make it kind of thing there was a little bit of your machete

there was a little bit of your machete there was a little bit of your machete you know I got a sword you know I got a sword you know I got a sword um um um there there may have been a little bit there there may have been a little bit there there may have been a little bit of that when I was like you know like 14 of that when I was like you know like 14 of that when I was like you know like 14 15 years old I'd like you know have like 15 years old I'd like you know have like 15 years old I'd like you know have like a hunting knife in my dog and I'd go out a hunting knife in my dog and I'd go out a hunting knife in my dog and I'd go out into the woods or like the Catskills and into the woods or like the Catskills and into the woods or like the Catskills and survive for a weekend which my rule was survive for a weekend which my rule was survive for a weekend which my rule was one match one match one match you know you get one match and you got you know you get one match and you got you know you get one match and you got to make shelter and then you know I'd to make shelter and then you know I'd to make shelter and then you know I'd bring like a steak and like make a fire bring like a steak and like make a fire bring like a steak and like make a fire and stuff and at that point there maybe and stuff and at that point there maybe and stuff and at that point there maybe was some ego but in the Amazon you get was some ego but in the Amazon you get was some ego but in the Amazon you get stripped down so completely that you stripped down so completely that you stripped down so completely that you it's like that thing like you know watch it's like that thing like you know watch it's like that thing like you know watch the atheism leave everyone's body when the atheism leave everyone's body when the atheism leave everyone's body when they think they're about to die it's they think they're about to die it's they think they're about to die it's like when you like when you like when you find yourself staring up at the Amazon find yourself staring up at the Amazon find yourself staring up at the Amazon at night and you go there is no hope of at night and you go there is no hope of at night and you go there is no hope of getting out of here I mean I was once getting out of here I mean I was once getting out of here I mean I was once lost in a swamp where it took me days to lost in a swamp where it took me days to lost in a swamp where it took me days to get out of there and there was there was get out of there and there was there was get out of there and there was there was moments where I just said this is you moments where I just said this is you moments where I just said this is you know this is clearly it there's no know this is clearly it there's no know this is clearly it there's no there's no ego there there's just hope there's no ego there there's just hope there's no ego there there's just hope you you start you start realizing what you you start you start realizing what you you start you start realizing what you believe in and you believe in and you believe in and praying that you'll be okay and and then praying that you'll be okay and and then praying that you'll be okay and and then trying to trying to summon whatever you trying to trying to summon whatever you trying to trying to summon whatever you know about how to survive and know about how to survive and know about how to survive and and that's it and so it's it's actually and that's it and so it's it's actually and that's it and so it's it's actually again it's kind of it's kind of a again it's kind of it's kind of a again it's kind of it's kind of a blissful state if you can walk that line blissful state if you can walk that line blissful state if you can walk that line between like Adventure and tragedy and between like Adventure and tragedy and between like Adventure and tragedy and sort of keep yourself right at that very sort of keep yourself right at that very sort of keep yourself right at that very very fine line without going over ever very fine line without going over ever very fine line without going over ever fear of death fear ever fear fear of death fear ever fear fear of death fear ever fear um Tara no I don't want to die I wanna I um Tara no I don't want to die I wanna I um Tara no I don't want to die I wanna I wanna you know I love the people in my wanna you know I love the people in my wanna you know I love the people in my life and there's a lot of things I want life and there's a lot of things I want life and there's a lot of things I want to do but every time I've been every to do but every time I've been every to do but every time I've been every time I've been certain that I'm gonna time I've been certain that I'm gonna time I've been certain that I'm gonna die it's been I've been very very calm

die it's been I've been very very calm die it's been I've been very very calm very calm and just sort of like okay very calm and just sort of like okay very calm and just sort of like okay well if this is how the movie goes and well if this is how the movie goes and well if this is how the movie goes and this is how it goes almost accepting this is how it goes almost accepting this is how it goes almost accepting yeah yeah yeah which is which is reassuring you which is which is reassuring you which is which is reassuring you mentioned Herzog mentioned Herzog mentioned Herzog just to uh Venture down this road of just to uh Venture down this road of just to uh Venture down this road of death and fear and so on there's been a death and fear and so on there's been a death and fear and so on there's been a few Mad Men like you in this world few Mad Men like you in this world few Mad Men like you in this world uh he's documented a couple of them uh uh he's documented a couple of them uh uh he's documented a couple of them uh what lessons do you draw from Grizzly what lessons do you draw from Grizzly what lessons do you draw from Grizzly Man or into the wild those kinds of Man or into the wild those kinds of Man or into the wild those kinds of stories I were you ever afraid that you stories I were you ever afraid that you stories I were you ever afraid that you would be one of those stories oh yeah I would be one of those stories oh yeah I would be one of those stories oh yeah I actually think that that's in Mother of actually think that that's in Mother of actually think that that's in Mother of God where I said I almost until into the God where I said I almost until into the God where I said I almost until into the wild did myself like I I went out there wild did myself like I I went out there wild did myself like I I went out there and really I got so lost and so and really I got so lost and so and really I got so lost and so destroyed that I said this this is this destroyed that I said this this is this destroyed that I said this this is this is going to be the next one you know is going to be the next one you know is going to be the next one you know this is gonna be the next story of some this is gonna be the next story of some this is gonna be the next story of some idiot kid from New York who went to the idiot kid from New York who went to the idiot kid from New York who went to the Amazon thinking he was Percy Fawcett and Amazon thinking he was Percy Fawcett and Amazon thinking he was Percy Fawcett and then vanished because if you if you do then vanished because if you if you do then vanished because if you if you do vanish out there your body's going to be vanish out there your body's going to be vanish out there your body's going to be consumed in a matter of days like like consumed in a matter of days like like consumed in a matter of days like like two you know if we see if we see an two you know if we see if we see an two you know if we see if we see an animal dead on a trail it's you got dung animal dead on a trail it's you got dung animal dead on a trail it's you got dung beetles and and fly larva and vultures beetles and and fly larva and vultures beetles and and fly larva and vultures and there's a whole pecking order you and there's a whole pecking order you and there's a whole pecking order you know you get the black vultures the know you get the black vultures the know you get the black vultures the yellow vultures the king vulture they yellow vultures the king vulture they yellow vultures the king vulture they all come in that thing is picked clean all come in that thing is picked clean all come in that thing is picked clean in a couple of days what would be the in a couple of days what would be the in a couple of days what would be the creature that eats most of you in that creature that eats most of you in that creature that eats most of you in that situation probably the vultures probably situation probably the vultures probably situation probably the vultures probably the vultures and the and the maggots the vultures and the and the maggots the vultures and the and the maggots it's it's really quick it's really it's it's really quick it's really it's it's really quick it's really really quick like like like you even as really quick like like like you even as really quick like like like you even as far as like you can't leave food out you far as like you can't leave food out you far as like you can't leave food out you know like if you have like a piece of know like if you have like a piece of know like if you have like a piece of chicken you say oh I'll eat it in the chicken you say oh I'll eat it in the chicken you say oh I'll eat it in the morning you leave it out you can't do morning you leave it out you can't do morning you leave it out you can't do that it's not it's not good by morning

that it's not it's not good by morning that it's not it's not good by morning Grizzly Man for example like what Grizzly Man for example like what Grizzly Man for example like what because that's a beautiful story it's because that's a beautiful story it's because that's a beautiful story it's both comical and genius and especially both comical and genius and especially both comical and genius and especially the way Herzog tells it well first of do the way Herzog tells it well first of do the way Herzog tells it well first of do you like the way he told the story do you like the way he told the story do you like the way he told the story do you like hers I do I love Herzog and I you like hers I do I love Herzog and I you like hers I do I love Herzog and I love his his documentary the burden of love his his documentary the burden of love his his documentary the burden of Dreams which is which is in the Amazon Dreams which is which is in the Amazon Dreams which is which is in the Amazon not very far from where I work and the not very far from where I work and the not very far from where I work and the the sheer Madness that you see this man the sheer Madness that you see this man the sheer Madness that you see this man undergoing of just trying to recreate undergoing of just trying to recreate undergoing of just trying to recreate hauling a boat over a mountain hauling a boat over a mountain hauling a boat over a mountain um is is is wild and and the you know um is is is wild and and the you know um is is is wild and and the you know the the extras that he hired to be to the the extras that he hired to be to the the extras that he hired to be to play the natives are are the I think play the natives are are the I think play the natives are are the I think they're matcha ganga tribesmen and they're matcha ganga tribesmen and they're matcha ganga tribesmen and they're just they just look like all the they're just they just look like all the they're just they just look like all the guys that I hang out with and it's like guys that I hang out with and it's like guys that I hang out with and it's like you know they're doing all this stuff in you know they're doing all this stuff in you know they're doing all this stuff in the jungle that months and months and the jungle that months and months and the jungle that months and months and months and you can just see him months and you can just see him months and you can just see him deteriorating with Madness because the deteriorating with Madness because the deteriorating with Madness because the jungle you know your boat you know how jungle you know your boat you know how jungle you know your boat you know how many times I've tied up a boat to the many times I've tied up a boat to the many times I've tied up a boat to the side of the river this just happened side of the river this just happened side of the river this just happened like a year and a half ago I tied up like a year and a half ago I tied up like a year and a half ago I tied up through a lot through covet I pretty through a lot through covet I pretty through a lot through covet I pretty much just lived in the jungle for a much just lived in the jungle for a much just lived in the jungle for a while and there was nobody there and while and there was nobody there and while and there was nobody there and there was no support and I tied up my there was no support and I tied up my there was no support and I tied up my boat and the rain is just hammering like boat and the rain is just hammering like boat and the rain is just hammering like like like the universe is trying to rip like like the universe is trying to rip like like the universe is trying to rip the Earth in half the rain is just going the Earth in half the rain is just going the Earth in half the rain is just going and the river's rising and I tied up the and the river's rising and I tied up the and the river's rising and I tied up the boat boat boat but then you go to sleep and you got to but then you go to sleep and you got to but then you go to sleep and you got to wake up every two hours to go check the wake up every two hours to go check the wake up every two hours to go check the boat and the boat is thrashing back and boat and the boat is thrashing back and boat and the boat is thrashing back and forth and I so all night every two hours forth and I so all night every two hours forth and I so all night every two hours I'd wake up barefoot in driving rain I'd wake up barefoot in driving rain I'd wake up barefoot in driving rain like you know golf ball raindrops and like you know golf ball raindrops and like you know golf ball raindrops and just go down check the boat and then by just go down check the boat and then by just go down check the boat and then by morning I was like I fell asleep woke up morning I was like I fell asleep woke up morning I was like I fell asleep woke up checked the boat and then I was like I'm checked the boat and then I was like I'm checked the boat and then I was like I'm just gonna go make coffee I was so done just gonna go make coffee I was so done just gonna go make coffee I was so done I was so like at the end of my rope

I was so like at the end of my rope I was so like at the end of my rope every time bailing the boat out and every time bailing the boat out and every time bailing the boat out and stuff stuff stuff and then we got 15 minutes of heavy rain and then we got 15 minutes of heavy rain and then we got 15 minutes of heavy rain that filled the boat sanket that filled the boat sanket that filled the boat sanket so now I'm stuck up River with no boat so now I'm stuck up River with no boat so now I'm stuck up River with no boat and it's like that type of thing where and it's like that type of thing where and it's like that type of thing where it's like no matter how hard you try the it's like no matter how hard you try the it's like no matter how hard you try the jungle's just like listen jungle's just like listen jungle's just like listen you ain't you're nothing you are nothing you ain't you're nothing you are nothing you ain't you're nothing you are nothing and so it's that constant reminder and and so it's that constant reminder and and so it's that constant reminder and so Herzog really threw himself into that so Herzog really threw himself into that so Herzog really threw himself into that in that film and uh it's it's brilliant in that film and uh it's it's brilliant in that film and uh it's it's brilliant to watch what do you think he meant by to watch what do you think he meant by to watch what do you think he meant by the line that you include in your book the line that you include in your book the line that you include in your book it's a land that God if he exists has it's a land that God if he exists has it's a land that God if he exists has created in anger said in German accent yeah overwhelming said in German accent yeah overwhelming and Collective murder and Collective murder and Collective murder um um um so that's that's so that's that's so that's that's so you didn't really appreciate the so you didn't really appreciate the so you didn't really appreciate the beauty of the of the murder I think he beauty of the of the murder I think he beauty of the of the murder I think he appreciated it but to him it was very appreciated it but to him it was very appreciated it but to him it was very dark you know I think he saw the dark you know I think he saw the dark you know I think he saw the darkness in it and that's there it sure darkness in it and that's there it sure darkness in it and that's there it sure is as soon as you do Ayahuasca you that is as soon as you do Ayahuasca you that is as soon as you do Ayahuasca you that door opens and you see the darkness door opens and you see the darkness door opens and you see the darkness because it brings you right into the because it brings you right into the because it brings you right into the jungle like the the heart of it but I jungle like the the heart of it but I jungle like the the heart of it but I think that for him it it is I think that think that for him it it is I think that think that for him it it is I think that darkness is something that he Embraces darkness is something that he Embraces darkness is something that he Embraces and that he loves there's another film and that he loves there's another film and that he loves there's another film of his and I don't know if this is of his and I don't know if this is of his and I don't know if this is accurate but my memory has it that accurate but my memory has it that accurate but my memory has it that there's a penguin and I think it's in there's a penguin and I think it's in there's a penguin and I think it's in Antarctica and the Penguins going in the Antarctica and the Penguins going in the Antarctica and the Penguins going in the wrong direction away from the ocean yeah wrong direction away from the ocean yeah wrong direction away from the ocean yeah and I feel like he goes on this and I feel like he goes on this and I feel like he goes on this monologue about how like he's just had monologue about how like he's just had monologue about how like he's just had enough yeah he's you know this one enough yeah he's you know this one enough yeah he's you know this one penguin is just marching towards you penguin is just marching towards you penguin is just marching towards you know yeah well he his because I remember

know yeah well he his because I remember know yeah well he his because I remember that clip from that uh documentary that clip from that uh documentary that clip from that uh documentary and what Werner says is that the penguin and what Werner says is that the penguin and what Werner says is that the penguin is deranged yes he's lost his mind and I is deranged yes he's lost his mind and I is deranged yes he's lost his mind and I took offense to that yeah because maybe took offense to that yeah because maybe took offense to that yeah because maybe that's a brave Explorer like how do you that's a brave Explorer like how do you that's a brave Explorer like how do you know there's not some a lot more going know there's not some a lot more going know there's not some a lot more going on like on like on like it could be a love story those penguins it could be a love story those penguins it could be a love story those penguins get super attached maybe his mate was get super attached maybe his mate was get super attached maybe his mate was over there and he had to go find her over there and he had to go find her over there and he had to go find her like or it's a lost mate and he last like or it's a lost mate and he last like or it's a lost mate and he last time he saw her was going in that time he saw her was going in that time he saw her was going in that direction exactly so this is like the direction exactly so this is like the direction exactly so this is like the great Explorer they we we assume animals great Explorer they we we assume animals great Explorer they we we assume animals are like the average of the bell curve are like the average of the bell curve are like the average of the bell curve like every animal we interact with is like every animal we interact with is like every animal we interact with is just the average but they're special just the average but they're special just the average but they're special ones just like they're special humans ones just like they're special humans ones just like they're special humans yeah that could be a special penguin ah yeah that could be a special penguin ah yeah that could be a special penguin ah it could have been and I had the same it could have been and I had the same it could have been and I had the same thought where I was like I was like he's thought where I was like I was like he's thought where I was like I was like he's I I found it beautiful how he I I found it beautiful how he I I found it beautiful how he interpreted it what I took away from interpreted it what I took away from interpreted it what I took away from that was I found that born of herzog's that was I found that born of herzog's that was I found that born of herzog's monologue there was was brilliantly dark monologue there was was brilliantly dark monologue there was was brilliantly dark and also comedic and also comedic and also comedic but but maybe irrelevant biologically but but maybe irrelevant biologically but but maybe irrelevant biologically speaking towards penguins like you know speaking towards penguins like you know speaking towards penguins like you know um which which happens a lot with um which which happens a lot with um which which happens a lot with animals I find like there's so many animals I find like there's so many animals I find like there's so many times where I'll find people be like do times where I'll find people be like do times where I'll find people be like do you think that animals can show you think that animals can show you think that animals can show compassion and you hear like a bunch of compassion and you hear like a bunch of compassion and you hear like a bunch of people that have never left the pavement people that have never left the pavement people that have never left the pavement talking about like wow this this one talking about like wow this this one talking about like wow this this one animal helped another and it's like it's animal helped another and it's like it's animal helped another and it's like it's like go ask Jane Goodall if animals can like go ask Jane Goodall if animals can like go ask Jane Goodall if animals can show compassion go go talk to anybody show compassion go go talk to anybody show compassion go go talk to anybody that works on a daily basis with animals that works on a daily basis with animals that works on a daily basis with animals and they'll and so like to me there's a and they'll and so like to me there's a and they'll and so like to me there's a there's always a little bit of there's always a little bit of there's always a little bit of frustration in hearing people sort of frustration in hearing people sort of frustration in hearing people sort of like pleasantly surprised that animals

like pleasantly surprised that animals like pleasantly surprised that animals aren't just you know you know these aren't just you know you know these aren't just you know you know these automatons of you know just just what's automatons of you know just just what's automatons of you know just just what's the word like um like programmed you the word like um like programmed you the word like um like programmed you know nothingness first of all what have know nothingness first of all what have know nothingness first of all what have you learned about life from Jane Goodall you learned about life from Jane Goodall you learned about life from Jane Goodall because she spoke highly of your book because she spoke highly of your book because she spoke highly of your book and eulitis is one of the mentors but and eulitis is one of the mentors but and eulitis is one of the mentors but what what kind of wisdom about animals what what kind of wisdom about animals what what kind of wisdom about animals do you draw from her do you draw from her do you draw from her the wisdom from Jane is so diverse it's the wisdom from Jane is so diverse it's the wisdom from Jane is so diverse it's I mean she first of all she's someone I mean she first of all she's someone I mean she first of all she's someone that you know the work that she did at that you know the work that she did at that you know the work that she did at the time she did it was so incredible the time she did it was so incredible the time she did it was so incredible because I mean she she was out there at because I mean she she was out there at because I mean she she was out there at a very young age doing that field work a very young age doing that field work a very young age doing that field work she was naming her subjects which she was naming her subjects which she was naming her subjects which everyone said you shouldn't do she broke everyone said you shouldn't do she broke everyone said you shouldn't do she broke every rule she broke every rule she was every rule she broke every rule she was every rule she broke every rule she was assigning and everyone said you know assigning and everyone said you know assigning and everyone said you know you're anthropomorphizing these animals you're anthropomorphizing these animals you're anthropomorphizing these animals by saying that they're doing this and by saying that they're doing this and by saying that they're doing this and that and she she was like no they're that and she she was like no they're that and she she was like no they're they're interacting they're showing love they're interacting they're showing love they're interacting they're showing love they're showing compassion they're they're showing compassion they're they're showing compassion they're showing hate they're showing fear and showing hate they're showing fear and showing hate they're showing fear and and she broke straight through all of and she broke straight through all of and she broke straight through all of those things those things those things um and and it paid off in dividends for um and and it paid off in dividends for um and and it paid off in dividends for her do you see the animals as having all her do you see the animals as having all her do you see the animals as having all those human-like emotions of Anger of those human-like emotions of Anger of those human-like emotions of Anger of compassion of longing of loneliness from compassion of longing of loneliness from compassion of longing of loneliness from what you've seen with especially with what you've seen with especially with what you've seen with especially with mammals yeah but with different species mammals yeah but with different species mammals yeah but with different species out there do they have all that it out there do they have all that it out there do they have all that it depends on the animal you know if you're depends on the animal you know if you're depends on the animal you know if you're talking you know on the scale of a talking you know on the scale of a talking you know on the scale of a cockroach to an elephant you know it's cockroach to an elephant you know it's cockroach to an elephant you know it's like a lot of these things and I wonder like a lot of these things and I wonder like a lot of these things and I wonder about this stuff all the time you know about this stuff all the time you know about this stuff all the time you know I'll I'll have a praying mantis on my I'll I'll have a praying mantis on my I'll I'll have a praying mantis on my hand and just go what is going through hand and just go what is going through hand and just go what is going through your mind you know yeah or you'll see it your mind you know yeah or you'll see it your mind you know yeah or you'll see it you'll see a spider make a complex you'll see a spider make a complex you'll see a spider make a complex decision and go I'm going to make my web

decision and go I'm going to make my web decision and go I'm going to make my web there you know and you go how how are there you know and you go how how are there you know and you go how how are you how are you doing this how are you you how are you doing this how are you you how are you doing this how are you because he he made a calculation there because he he made a calculation there because he he made a calculation there you know it's smart I was in the jungle you know it's smart I was in the jungle you know it's smart I was in the jungle not that long ago and I'm I was walking not that long ago and I'm I was walking not that long ago and I'm I was walking and all of a sudden this Dove comes and all of a sudden this Dove comes and all of a sudden this Dove comes flying through the jungle right up to my flying through the jungle right up to my flying through the jungle right up to my face lands on a branch like right here face lands on a branch like right here face lands on a branch like right here right next to me I look at the dove dub right next to me I look at the dove dub right next to me I look at the dove dub looks at me and she's like hey and she's looks at me and she's like hey and she's looks at me and she's like hey and she's clearly like panting and I'm like I'm clearly like panting and I'm like I'm clearly like panting and I'm like I'm like why why are you why are you so like why why are you why are you so like why why are you why are you so close this is weird she's like I know close this is weird she's like I know close this is weird she's like I know and then and then an ornate hawk eagle and then and then an ornate hawk eagle and then and then an ornate hawk eagle flies up 10 feet away looks at both of flies up 10 feet away looks at both of flies up 10 feet away looks at both of us and just like scowls and like sticks us and just like scowls and like sticks us and just like scowls and like sticks up its head feathers and then just like up its head feathers and then just like up its head feathers and then just like flies off and the dove is like sweet flies off and the dove is like sweet flies off and the dove is like sweet thanks and then fluff flew in the other thanks and then fluff flew in the other thanks and then fluff flew in the other direction and I was like dude you just direction and I was like dude you just direction and I was like dude you just used me to save your life yeah the dove used me to save your life yeah the dove used me to save your life yeah the dove knew see well this is what knew see well this is what knew see well this is what because there's diff you know there's because there's diff you know there's because there's diff you know there's Mike Tyson and there's Albert Einstein Mike Tyson and there's Albert Einstein Mike Tyson and there's Albert Einstein yeah and I sometimes I wonder when I yeah and I sometimes I wonder when I yeah and I sometimes I wonder when I look at different creatures even insects look at different creatures even insects look at different creatures even insects like is this Mike Tyson or is this like is this Mike Tyson or is this like is this Mike Tyson or is this Einstein yeah like because one or other Einstein yeah like because one or other Einstein yeah like because one or other kinds of person like is this a New kinds of person like is this a New kinds of person like is this a New Yorker or is this a midwesterner or is Yorker or is this a midwesterner or is Yorker or is this a midwesterner or is this like uh San Francisco Barista of this like uh San Francisco Barista of this like uh San Francisco Barista of the insects like there's all kinds of the insects like there's all kinds of the insects like there's all kinds of personalities you never know so you personalities you never know so you personalities you never know so you can't like project can't like project can't like project like if you run into a bear and it's like if you run into a bear and it's like if you run into a bear and it's very angry it could be just the asshole very angry it could be just the asshole very angry it could be just the asshole New Yorker yeah sure sure as opposed to New Yorker yeah sure sure as opposed to New Yorker yeah sure sure as opposed to what he's saying about New Yorkers man what he's saying about New Yorkers man what he's saying about New Yorkers man exactly coin well made uh So speaking exactly coin well made uh So speaking exactly coin well made uh So speaking about communicating with the dove um you about communicating with the dove um you about communicating with the dove um you uh first met the crew in the Amazon you

uh first met the crew in the Amazon you uh first met the crew in the Amazon you talk about JJ as somebody who can talk about JJ as somebody who can talk about JJ as somebody who can communicate with animals what do you communicate with animals what do you communicate with animals what do you think uh JJ is able to see and hear and think uh JJ is able to see and hear and think uh JJ is able to see and hear and feel that others don't that he's able to feel that others don't that he's able to feel that others don't that he's able to communicate with animals when I say this communicate with animals when I say this communicate with animals when I say this is the most skilled jungle man I've ever is the most skilled jungle man I've ever is the most skilled jungle man I've ever seen and I know so many guys in the seen and I know so many guys in the seen and I know so many guys in the region region region um he has libraries of information in um he has libraries of information in um he has libraries of information in his Cranium that we cannot fath it's his Cranium that we cannot fath it's his Cranium that we cannot fath it's just it's just stunning like you know I just it's just stunning like you know I just it's just stunning like you know I have seen him use medicinal plants to have seen him use medicinal plants to have seen him use medicinal plants to cure things that Western doctors cure things that Western doctors cure things that Western doctors couldn't cure I've seen him navigate in couldn't cure I've seen him navigate in couldn't cure I've seen him navigate in such a way that he's not using the Stars such a way that he's not using the Stars such a way that he's not using the Stars he's not using any any discernible you he's not using any any discernible you he's not using any any discernible you know it's like when elephants sometimes know it's like when elephants sometimes know it's like when elephants sometimes like you'll watch a herd of elephants like you'll watch a herd of elephants like you'll watch a herd of elephants and they'll be like yo let's go we're and they'll be like yo let's go we're and they'll be like yo let's go we're going this way and you'll see them sort going this way and you'll see them sort going this way and you'll see them sort of communicate but there's no audible of communicate but there's no audible of communicate but there's no audible sound they'll just decide that they're sound they'll just decide that they're sound they'll just decide that they're going that way they all do it JJ has going that way they all do it JJ has going that way they all do it JJ has this way in the jungle of you know he'll this way in the jungle of you know he'll this way in the jungle of you know he'll stop and he'll go wait and you go what stop and he'll go wait and you go what stop and he'll go wait and you go what is it and he goes is it and he goes is it and he goes does it hurt a peccary coming and I'm does it hurt a peccary coming and I'm does it hurt a peccary coming and I'm like where like where like where based on what yeah you know and he's based on what yeah you know and he's based on what yeah you know and he's like just wait you'll see and he'll sit like just wait you'll see and he'll sit like just wait you'll see and he'll sit there there there um yeah it's just experience it's um yeah it's just experience it's um yeah it's just experience it's incredible experience it's it's growing incredible experience it's it's growing incredible experience it's it's growing up Barefoot in the Amazon and the gift up Barefoot in the Amazon and the gift up Barefoot in the Amazon and the gift is that he can speak fluent English and is that he can speak fluent English and is that he can speak fluent English and so when I bring tourists and scientists so when I bring tourists and scientists so when I bring tourists and scientists or news reporters down there he can or news reporters down there he can or news reporters down there he can communicate with them he's actually good communicate with them he's actually good communicate with them he's actually good on camera because he doesn't care about on camera because he doesn't care about on camera because he doesn't care about cameras cameras cameras um and like you know for instance we

um and like you know for instance we um and like you know for instance we were we were we were walking up a stream were we were we were walking up a stream were we were we were walking up a stream a few months ago and I went hey look a few months ago and I went hey look a few months ago and I went hey look Jaguar tracks and he went oh and I was Jaguar tracks and he went oh and I was Jaguar tracks and he went oh and I was like what Jaguar tracks and he's like no like what Jaguar tracks and he's like no like what Jaguar tracks and he's like no look look harder and I was like look look harder and I was like look look harder and I was like the the toes are deeper than the back the the toes are deeper than the back the the toes are deeper than the back and he was like Aha and where are they and he was like Aha and where are they and he was like Aha and where are they and I was like by the water and I was and I was like by the water and I was and I was like by the water and I was like the Jaguar's drinking it was like the Jaguar's drinking it was like the Jaguar's drinking it was leaning to drink and he was like that's leaning to drink and he was like that's leaning to drink and he was like that's right he's like now look behind you I right he's like now look behind you I right he's like now look behind you I look behind me and there's scat there's look behind me and there's scat there's look behind me and there's scat there's a big log of Jaguar shit sitting there a big log of Jaguar shit sitting there a big log of Jaguar shit sitting there it's got butterflies all over it fresh it's got butterflies all over it fresh it's got butterflies all over it fresh Pretty fresh and then there's another Pretty fresh and then there's another Pretty fresh and then there's another one that's less fresh and so he's he's one that's less fresh and so he's he's one that's less fresh and so he's he's teaching me as he does he's going look teaching me as he does he's going look teaching me as he does he's going look at this look at this is that one as at this look at this is that one as at this look at this is that one as fresh as this one no and then he goes fresh as this one no and then he goes fresh as this one no and then he goes now look up look up now look up look up now look up look up there's three vultures above us there's three vultures above us there's three vultures above us the kill is near us the Jaguar has been the kill is near us the Jaguar has been the kill is near us the Jaguar has been coming multiple times to the river to coming multiple times to the river to coming multiple times to the river to drink as it's feasting on whatever it drink as it's feasting on whatever it drink as it's feasting on whatever it killed and he's going it's within 30 killed and he's going it's within 30 killed and he's going it's within 30 feet of us right now and it's like feet of us right now and it's like feet of us right now and it's like I'm like oh look impressions in the sand I'm like oh look impressions in the sand I'm like oh look impressions in the sand he's like I just drew 19 conclusions he's like I just drew 19 conclusions he's like I just drew 19 conclusions from that it's like watching Sherlock from that it's like watching Sherlock from that it's like watching Sherlock Holmes at work it's just constructing Holmes at work it's just constructing Holmes at work it's just constructing the crime scene incredible the crime scene incredible the crime scene incredible [Applause] [Applause] [Applause] does that apply also to be able to does that apply also to be able to does that apply also to be able to communicate with the actual animals like communicate with the actual animals like communicate with the actual animals like read into their body movements directly read into their body movements directly read into their body movements directly uh into their whatever that Dove was uh into their whatever that Dove was uh into their whatever that Dove was saying to you you'd be able to saying to you you'd be able to saying to you you'd be able to understand or is that all just kind of understand or is that all just kind of understand or is that all just kind of taking in the complex structure of the taking in the complex structure of the taking in the complex structure of the crime scene of the interactions of the crime scene of the interactions of the crime scene of the interactions of the different animals of the environment and different animals of the environment and different animals of the environment and so on like what is that that you're able so on like what is that that you're able so on like what is that that you're able to communicate with another creature to communicate with another creature to communicate with another creature that he was able to communicate with that he was able to communicate with that he was able to communicate with another creature he knows the intention

another creature he knows the intention another creature he knows the intention of pose he knows the habits he knows the of pose he knows the habits he knows the of pose he knows the habits he knows the perspective when when when he talks perspective when when when he talks perspective when when when he talks about animals he'll talk about each about animals he'll talk about each about animals he'll talk about each species as if it's a person so he'll say species as if it's a person so he'll say species as if it's a person so he'll say oh oh the the Jaguar she never likes to oh oh the the Jaguar she never likes to oh oh the the Jaguar she never likes to let you see her and so he'll come back let you see her and so he'll come back let you see her and so he'll come back from the jungle and he'll go oh I was from the jungle and he'll go oh I was from the jungle and he'll go oh I was watching monkeys in this this Jaguar was watching monkeys in this this Jaguar was watching monkeys in this this Jaguar was also watching the monkeys but I was also watching the monkeys but I was also watching the monkeys but I was being so quiet she didn't see me and being so quiet she didn't see me and being so quiet she didn't see me and then when she see me she feels so then when she see me she feels so then when she see me she feels so embarrassed and she'd go and he'll tell embarrassed and she'd go and he'll tell embarrassed and she'd go and he'll tell you this story like as if he had this you this story like as if he had this you this story like as if he had this interaction with like his neighbor interaction with like his neighbor interaction with like his neighbor and you know and he'll be like oh the and you know and he'll be like oh the and you know and he'll be like oh the pukakunga it never does that you won't pukakunga it never does that you won't pukakunga it never does that you won't see it do that and so one time one time see it do that and so one time one time see it do that and so one time one time he caught a fish and I I was such a big he caught a fish and I I was such a big he caught a fish and I I was such a big fish it was this big beautiful fish it was this big beautiful fish it was this big beautiful pseudoplatistoma this tiger catfish this pseudoplatistoma this tiger catfish this pseudoplatistoma this tiger catfish this amazing old fish and they're all excited amazing old fish and they're all excited amazing old fish and they're all excited to eat it and I felt so bad watching to eat it and I felt so bad watching to eat it and I felt so bad watching this thing gasp on the sand and I went this thing gasp on the sand and I went this thing gasp on the sand and I went you know what we don't need this this is you know what we don't need this this is you know what we don't need this this is for fun for fun for fun threw it back oh no and then I took my threw it back oh no and then I took my threw it back oh no and then I took my hand and I went hand and I went hand and I went and I made like drag marks like so I and I made like drag marks like so I and I made like drag marks like so I could say oh it it snuck back in the could say oh it it snuck back in the could say oh it it snuck back in the water and so he walks up he looks at it water and so he walks up he looks at it water and so he walks up he looks at it and he was like I hate you and I went and he was like I hate you and I went and he was like I hate you and I went what no I said I must have it must have what no I said I must have it must have what no I said I must have it must have just just just it's not what happens he goes It goes it's not what happens he goes It goes it's not what happens he goes It goes like this when it go he knew the track like this when it go he knew the track like this when it go he knew the track of a fish and I was like oh yeah I was of a fish and I was like oh yeah I was of a fish and I was like oh yeah I was like all right JJ I'm sorry I'll catch like all right JJ I'm sorry I'll catch like all right JJ I'm sorry I'll catch you another fish you another fish you another fish uh so stepping back to that way you open uh so stepping back to that way you open uh so stepping back to that way you open Mother of God Mother of God Mother of God yeah uh who was Santiago Duran what yeah uh who was Santiago Duran what yeah uh who was Santiago Duran what secret did he tell you JJ's father was secret did he tell you JJ's father was secret did he tell you JJ's father was uh at some point he was a policeman at

uh at some point he was a policeman at uh at some point he was a policeman at some point when he was a teenager he was some point when he was a teenager he was some point when he was a teenager he was working on the boats that before this working on the boats that before this working on the boats that before this little gold mining city of Puerto little gold mining city of Puerto little gold mining city of Puerto Maldonado uh grew the only way to get Maldonado uh grew the only way to get Maldonado uh grew the only way to get supplies in was to take canoes up the supplies in was to take canoes up the supplies in was to take canoes up the temple Potter River up to the next state temple Potter River up to the next state temple Potter River up to the next state which is puno and and where the mules which is puno and and where the mules which is puno and and where the mules would come down from the mountains with would come down from the mountains with would come down from the mountains with supplies and then he'd pilot the boats supplies and then he'd pilot the boats supplies and then he'd pilot the boats down but they didn't have Motors at that down but they didn't have Motors at that down but they didn't have Motors at that time so he would be pulling the boat so time so he would be pulling the boat so time so he would be pulling the boat so he was he became this physically he was he became this physically he was he became this physically terrifying man and I met him when he was terrifying man and I met him when he was terrifying man and I met him when he was in his 80s and he was still living out in his 80s and he was still living out in his 80s and he was still living out in The Jungle by himself and I mean he's in The Jungle by himself and I mean he's in The Jungle by himself and I mean he's seen an Anaconda eat a taper which is seen an Anaconda eat a taper which is seen an Anaconda eat a taper which is the you know a cow-sized mammal on the the you know a cow-sized mammal on the the you know a cow-sized mammal on the Amazon he'd seen uncontacted tribes face Amazon he'd seen uncontacted tribes face Amazon he'd seen uncontacted tribes face to face he once killed an 11 foot to face he once killed an 11 foot to face he once killed an 11 foot electric eel electric eel electric eel opened the back of the thing's neck opened the back of the thing's neck opened the back of the thing's neck removed the nerve that he says was the removed the nerve that he says was the removed the nerve that he says was the source of the electric then he cut his source of the electric then he cut his source of the electric then he cut his forearm placed that nerve into his forearm placed that nerve into his forearm placed that nerve into his forearm wrapped it with a dead Toad and forearm wrapped it with a dead Toad and forearm wrapped it with a dead Toad and claimed that it would give him strength claimed that it would give him strength claimed that it would give him strength through the rest of his life and through the rest of his life and through the rest of his life and continued to be a jungle badass until continued to be a jungle badass until continued to be a jungle badass until the day he quietly leaned back at a the day he quietly leaned back at a the day he quietly leaned back at a barbecue and ceased to be alive barbecue and ceased to be alive barbecue and ceased to be alive the man was incredible but the secret the man was incredible but the secret the man was incredible but the secret that he told us was that if you want to that he told us was that if you want to that he told us was that if you want to find find find big anacondas you know if you want to big anacondas you know if you want to big anacondas you know if you want to see the yakomama he was like you have to see the yakomama he was like you have to see the yakomama he was like you have to go to the boyo the place of Boaz the the go to the boyo the place of Boaz the the go to the boyo the place of Boaz the the place that we came to call the floating place that we came to call the floating place that we came to call the floating forest and so he sent us there and it forest and so he sent us there and it forest and so he sent us there and it became like this became like this became like this this pilgrimage and you know in the

this pilgrimage and you know in the this pilgrimage and you know in the Amazon the a lot of the creation myths Amazon the a lot of the creation myths Amazon the a lot of the creation myths are based around the Anaconda coming are based around the Anaconda coming are based around the Anaconda coming down from the heavens and carving the down from the heavens and carving the down from the heavens and carving the rivers across the jungle and if you look rivers across the jungle and if you look rivers across the jungle and if you look at the Rivers it looks like that it at the Rivers it looks like that it at the Rivers it looks like that it looks like the path of an anaconda looks like the path of an anaconda looks like the path of an anaconda crawling through the jungle it's even crawling through the jungle it's even crawling through the jungle it's even the right color the right color the right color and so from the reference to the tribes and so from the reference to the tribes and so from the reference to the tribes of women the Amazons to the Anaconda of women the Amazons to the Anaconda of women the Amazons to the Anaconda mother everything in the Amazon is very mother everything in the Amazon is very mother everything in the Amazon is very feminine based even the even the trees feminine based even the even the trees feminine based even the even the trees the largest trees in the jungle the the largest trees in the jungle the the largest trees in the jungle the mother of the forest the Madre De La mother of the forest the Madre De La mother of the forest the Madre De La Selva is the K-pop tree and it's just Selva is the K-pop tree and it's just Selva is the K-pop tree and it's just this monster tree these beautiful this monster tree these beautiful this monster tree these beautiful ancient trees and that was the beginning ancient trees and that was the beginning ancient trees and that was the beginning of the transition that we made from me of the transition that we made from me of the transition that we made from me being like I hate school I want to go on being like I hate school I want to go on being like I hate school I want to go on adventures you know Jane Goodall got to adventures you know Jane Goodall got to adventures you know Jane Goodall got to do all this amazing stuff I'm just a kid do all this amazing stuff I'm just a kid do all this amazing stuff I'm just a kid stuck here stuck here stuck here to to eventually becoming something that to to eventually becoming something that to to eventually becoming something that had to do with where my identity became had to do with where my identity became had to do with where my identity became the jungle where my life became the the jungle where my life became the the jungle where my life became the jungle the the secret that he told us jungle the the secret that he told us jungle the the secret that he told us opened that door because when we started opened that door because when we started opened that door because when we started working with these giant snakes that working with these giant snakes that working with these giant snakes that started getting attention started getting attention started getting attention it started getting people to go what are it started getting people to go what are it started getting people to go what are you doing you doing you doing um and it started it started allowing me um and it started it started allowing me um and it started it started allowing me to have experiences that that solidified to have experiences that that solidified to have experiences that that solidified and nailed down the fact that this and nailed down the fact that this and nailed down the fact that this wasn't just like a weekend retreat this wasn't just like a weekend retreat this wasn't just like a weekend retreat this was this was something that that I was was this was something that that I was was this was something that that I was born to do and gave you more and more born to do and gave you more and more born to do and gave you more and more motivation to go in into these Uncharted motivation to go in into these Uncharted motivation to go in into these Uncharted Territory which uh just a step back what nations

which uh just a step back what nations are we talking about here is there some are we talking about here is there some are we talking about here is there some some geography what are we talking about some geography what are we talking about some geography what are we talking about where is this so I'm in Peru yeah we're where is this so I'm in Peru yeah we're where is this so I'm in Peru yeah we're in Peru and so which is a South American in Peru and so which is a South American in Peru and so which is a South American Nation Peru's a South American Nation Nation Peru's a South American Nation Nation Peru's a South American Nation Brazil has 60 of the Amazon which is Brazil has 60 of the Amazon which is Brazil has 60 of the Amazon which is unfortunate because anything that unfortunate because anything that unfortunate because anything that happens politically in Brazil has a happens politically in Brazil has a happens politically in Brazil has a massive impact impact on the Amazon massive impact impact on the Amazon massive impact impact on the Amazon Peru Peru Peru has the Western Amazon and Ecuador has a has the Western Amazon and Ecuador has a has the Western Amazon and Ecuador has a little bit of the western Amazon and little bit of the western Amazon and little bit of the western Amazon and the Western Amazon is where the Andes the Western Amazon is where the Andes the Western Amazon is where the Andes Mountains Mountains Mountains the cloud forests which is a mega the cloud forests which is a mega the cloud forests which is a mega biodiverse biome falls into the Western biodiverse biome falls into the Western biodiverse biome falls into the Western Amazon lowlands and so you have these Amazon lowlands and so you have these Amazon lowlands and so you have these the meeting of these two incredible the meeting of these two incredible the meeting of these two incredible biomes and that's what makes this like biomes and that's what makes this like biomes and that's what makes this like superlative incredible you know glowing superlative incredible you know glowing superlative incredible you know glowing moment of life on Earth so yeah we're in moment of life on Earth so yeah we're in moment of life on Earth so yeah we're in Peru in the Madre de dios which is the Peru in the Madre de dios which is the Peru in the Madre de dios which is the mother of God which I always thought was mother of God which I always thought was mother of God which I always thought was such a beautiful such a beautiful such a beautiful you know the jungle is the source of all you know the jungle is the source of all you know the jungle is the source of all life life life and uh so we were with the essay ha and uh so we were with the essay ha and uh so we were with the essay ha people and they belong to a community people and they belong to a community people and they belong to a community that's called infierno which is given by that's called infierno which is given by that's called infierno which is given by the missionaries who when they tried to the missionaries who when they tried to the missionaries who when they tried to go bring these people Jesus got so many go bring these people Jesus got so many go bring these people Jesus got so many arrows shot at them they just called it arrows shot at them they just called it arrows shot at them they just called it hell hell hell um and so so Santiago Duran helped unite um and so so Santiago Duran helped unite um and so so Santiago Duran helped unite these tribes that were that were sort of these tribes that were that were sort of these tribes that were that were sort of scattered through the jungle and get scattered through the jungle and get scattered through the jungle and get them status government recognized status them status government recognized status them status government recognized status as indigenous people so he was sort of a as indigenous people so he was sort of a as indigenous people so he was sort of a hero he was sort of a legend for a lot hero he was sort of a legend for a lot hero he was sort of a legend for a lot of the stuff he'd done out Barefoot with of the stuff he'd done out Barefoot with of the stuff he'd done out Barefoot with just like a rifle and a machete in the just like a rifle and a machete in the just like a rifle and a machete in the jungle he he had died he had 19 children

jungle he he had died he had 19 children jungle he he had died he had 19 children and the last one the the I think the and the last one the the I think the and the last one the the I think the 20th child that he adopted was a refugee 20th child that he adopted was a refugee 20th child that he adopted was a refugee from The Shining path that floated down from The Shining path that floated down from The Shining path that floated down the river and he just took him in and the river and he just took him in and the river and he just took him in and you know this is this is just a guy that you know this is this is just a guy that you know this is this is just a guy that was a you know everything he did like was a you know everything he did like was a you know everything he did like when he died the whole the whole the when he died the whole the whole the when he died the whole the whole the whole region showed up it was it was he whole region showed up it was it was he whole region showed up it was it was he was somebody so just the fact that I was somebody so just the fact that I was somebody so just the fact that I know him gives me Street Credit like the know him gives me Street Credit like the know him gives me Street Credit like the fact that I knew him I can go like oh I fact that I knew him I can go like oh I fact that I knew him I can go like oh I knew Santiago and people like no knew Santiago and people like no knew Santiago and people like no I'm like yeah yeah so you have to get I'm like yeah yeah so you have to get I'm like yeah yeah so you have to get integrated to the culture to the place integrated to the culture to the place integrated to the culture to the place that I mean in every single way which is that I mean in every single way which is that I mean in every single way which is which is tough for you for the being which is tough for you for the being which is tough for you for the being from from New York yeah from from New York yeah from from New York yeah yeah it could have been tough but it was yeah it could have been tough but it was yeah it could have been tough but it was I took to it you know the jungle they I took to it you know the jungle they I took to it you know the jungle they they were very uh you know JJ's teaching they were very uh you know JJ's teaching they were very uh you know JJ's teaching me about medicines and we were doing me about medicines and we were doing me about medicines and we were doing bird surveys and you know taking data on bird surveys and you know taking data on bird surveys and you know taking data on macaw populations and JJ was just like macaw populations and JJ was just like macaw populations and JJ was just like you really want to like he goes you got you really want to like he goes you got you really want to like he goes you got to sleep and I was like I only have a to sleep and I was like I only have a to sleep and I was like I only have a few weeks here I don't know if I'm ever few weeks here I don't know if I'm ever few weeks here I don't know if I'm ever going to come back I'm never going to going to come back I'm never going to going to come back I'm never going to sleep so we'd be out every night looking sleep so we'd be out every night looking sleep so we'd be out every night looking for all the wildlife we could I wanted for all the wildlife we could I wanted for all the wildlife we could I wanted to take photos I wanted to see things to take photos I wanted to see things to take photos I wanted to see things and and then you know the exchange came and and then you know the exchange came and and then you know the exchange came with that he was like you know I'm with that he was like you know I'm with that he was like you know I'm terrified of snakes and I said well I've terrified of snakes and I said well I've terrified of snakes and I said well I've always worked with snakes I said I'll always worked with snakes I said I'll always worked with snakes I said I'll teach you how to handle snakes and then teach you how to handle snakes and then teach you how to handle snakes and then we just had this like little exchange we just had this like little exchange we just had this like little exchange and when I left after my first time back and when I left after my first time back and when I left after my first time back in 2006 in 2006 in 2006 you know I said I said how can I help you know I said I said how can I help you know I said I said how can I help and and they were like look you know and and they were like look you know and and they were like look you know we're out here trying to protect this we're out here trying to protect this we're out here trying to protect this this little island of forest that is this little island of forest that is this little island of forest that is going to be bulldozed and and the more going to be bulldozed and and the more going to be bulldozed and and the more people that you can bring the more people that you can bring the more people that you can bring the more knowledge and the more awareness that

knowledge and the more awareness that knowledge and the more awareness that you can bring to this it'll help and so you can bring to this it'll help and so you can bring to this it'll help and so really at that age at 18 years old I really at that age at 18 years old I really at that age at 18 years old I sort of sort of sort of started dabbling with the idea of that I started dabbling with the idea of that I started dabbling with the idea of that I could be part of helping these people to could be part of helping these people to could be part of helping these people to protect this place that I loved and of protect this place that I loved and of protect this place that I loved and of course at that time that idea seemed course at that time that idea seemed course at that time that idea seemed like too large of a dream or too large like too large of a dream or too large like too large of a dream or too large of a of a challenge so that I could of a of a challenge so that I could of a of a challenge so that I could actually impact it actually impact it actually impact it so what was the Journey of looking for so what was the Journey of looking for so what was the Journey of looking for these giant snakes these giant snakes these giant snakes of uh looking for anacondas of uh looking for anacondas of uh looking for anacondas what are anacondas Anaconda is what are anacondas Anaconda is what are anacondas Anaconda is the largest snake on earth so you have the largest snake on earth so you have the largest snake on earth so you have reticulated pythons in Southeast Asia reticulated pythons in Southeast Asia reticulated pythons in Southeast Asia they're actually longer they're actually longer they're actually longer but anacondas are these massive boas but anacondas are these massive boas but anacondas are these massive boas they give live birth and unlike a lot of they give live birth and unlike a lot of they give live birth and unlike a lot of other species so an anaconda starts off other species so an anaconda starts off other species so an anaconda starts off you know a little two foot anaconda just you know a little two foot anaconda just you know a little two foot anaconda just a little thicker than your finger a a little thicker than your finger a a little thicker than your finger a little baby and their food for little baby and their food for little baby and their food for cane toads herons crocodiles you name it cane toads herons crocodiles you name it cane toads herons crocodiles you name it they're they're pretty harmless they're they're pretty harmless they're they're pretty harmless defenseless defenseless defenseless but as they grow they're eating the fish but as they grow they're eating the fish but as they grow they're eating the fish they're eating the Crocs and then they they're eating the Crocs and then they they're eating the Crocs and then they grow a little more and they're eating grow a little more and they're eating grow a little more and they're eating things like capybara and they're eating things like capybara and they're eating things like capybara and they're eating larger prey and then at the end of their larger prey and then at the end of their larger prey and then at the end of their life a female Anaconda you're talking life a female Anaconda you're talking life a female Anaconda you're talking about a 25 30 foot 300 400 pound snake about a 25 30 foot 300 400 pound snake about a 25 30 foot 300 400 pound snake with a head bigger than a football and with a head bigger than a football and with a head bigger than a football and these things that means that they impact these things that means that they impact these things that means that they impact the entire ecosystem which is very the entire ecosystem which is very the entire ecosystem which is very unique moves up the food chain to become unique moves up the food chain to become unique moves up the food chain to become basically the best Predator yeah yeah basically the best Predator yeah yeah basically the best Predator yeah yeah the the apex predator of the rivers and

the the apex predator of the rivers and the the apex predator of the rivers and so that's so interesting is just eating so that's so interesting is just eating so that's so interesting is just eating your way up to food eating your way up your way up to food eating your way up your way up to food eating your way up the food chain if you can survive and the food chain if you can survive and the food chain if you can survive and like that you know they're constantly at like that you know they're constantly at like that you know they're constantly at war with everything else but war with everything else but war with everything else but you know so I showed up in the Amazon I you know so I showed up in the Amazon I you know so I showed up in the Amazon I was like so where the anaconda's at and was like so where the anaconda's at and was like so where the anaconda's at and they were like oh no no it's not like they were like oh no no it's not like they were like oh no no it's not like that they're like it's you you have to that they're like it's you you have to that they're like it's you you have to find these things they're they're find these things they're they're find these things they're they're Subterranean they're living in the Subterranean they're living in the Subterranean they're living in the special swamps they're people kill them special swamps they're people kill them special swamps they're people kill them and so we went to the floating Forest and so we went to the floating Forest and so we went to the floating Forest after we'd come back from after we'd come back from after we'd come back from an expedition we'd call like a 12-foot an expedition we'd call like a 12-foot an expedition we'd call like a 12-foot anaconda and it's now it's become like anaconda and it's now it's become like anaconda and it's now it's become like this like classic photo of me and JJ this like classic photo of me and JJ this like classic photo of me and JJ with this Anaconda over our shoulders with this Anaconda over our shoulders with this Anaconda over our shoulders and we were like we you know we 12 days and we were like we you know we 12 days and we were like we you know we 12 days out in the jungle on a hunting trip and out in the jungle on a hunting trip and out in the jungle on a hunting trip and we we came back and we showed his dad we we came back and we showed his dad we we came back and we showed his dad and uh Santiago looked at us and he was and uh Santiago looked at us and he was and uh Santiago looked at us and he was like that's the smallest anaconda I've like that's the smallest anaconda I've like that's the smallest anaconda I've ever seen he's like you guys are ever seen he's like you guys are ever seen he's like you guys are pathetic oh man 12 foot and he was like pathetic oh man 12 foot and he was like pathetic oh man 12 foot and he was like look you go to the go he's like go he's look you go to the go he's like go he's look you go to the go he's like go he's like I'm giving you permission go to the like I'm giving you permission go to the like I'm giving you permission go to the boy you'll go to the floating forest and boy you'll go to the floating forest and boy you'll go to the floating forest and so we went to this place and we reached so we went to this place and we reached so we went to this place and we reached there at night and it was me JJ and one there at night and it was me JJ and one there at night and it was me JJ and one of his brothers and his brother took one of his brothers and his brother took one of his brothers and his brother took one look at it and was like I'm out and he look at it and was like I'm out and he look at it and was like I'm out and he started walking back and me and JJ get started walking back and me and JJ get started walking back and me and JJ get to the edge of this thing and and this to the edge of this thing and and this to the edge of this thing and and this is our friendship it's both this two is our friendship it's both this two is our friendship it's both this two idiots pushing each other farther and idiots pushing each other farther and idiots pushing each other farther and farther and like I like put a foot on farther and like I like put a foot on farther and like I like put a foot on the on the ground and it All Shook and the on the ground and it All Shook and the on the ground and it All Shook and the stars are reflecting on the ground the stars are reflecting on the ground the stars are reflecting on the ground and what we realize is that it's a lake and what we realize is that it's a lake and what we realize is that it's a lake with floating grass on top of it yeah with floating grass on top of it yeah with floating grass on top of it yeah and there's islands of grass floating on and there's islands of grass floating on and there's islands of grass floating on this Lake very life of pie and the tops this Lake very life of pie and the tops this Lake very life of pie and the tops of trees are coming out of the surface

of trees are coming out of the surface of trees are coming out of the surface of the water and so we start walking of the water and so we start walking of the water and so we start walking across this and JJ's going across this and JJ's going across this and JJ's going these are big anacondas and I'm going JJ these are big anacondas and I'm going JJ these are big anacondas and I'm going JJ that's a two foot wide smooth path that's a two foot wide smooth path that's a two foot wide smooth path snaking through the grass there's no snaking through the grass there's no snaking through the grass there's no Anaconda that big yeah he was going shhh Anaconda that big yeah he was going shhh Anaconda that big yeah he was going shhh they're listening I said they don't have they're listening I said they don't have they're listening I said they don't have ears he goes they're listening and it's ears he goes they're listening and it's ears he goes they're listening and it's like we're walking and we're walking and like we're walking and we're walking and like we're walking and we're walking and then it's like maybe it's like 1am or then it's like maybe it's like 1am or then it's like maybe it's like 1am or something something something and it was just like one of those and it was just like one of those and it was just like one of those moments where we saw it at the same time moments where we saw it at the same time moments where we saw it at the same time and we're standing by the tail and we're standing by the tail and we're standing by the tail and the snake was so big that I mean and the snake was so big that I mean and the snake was so big that I mean this must have been a 25 foot anaconda this must have been a 25 foot anaconda this must have been a 25 foot anaconda dead asleep with a with a probably a 16 dead asleep with a with a probably a 16 dead asleep with a with a probably a 16 foot anaconda like sprawled across her foot anaconda like sprawled across her foot anaconda like sprawled across her and they're laying in the Starlight and and they're laying in the Starlight and and they're laying in the Starlight and we're floating on top of a lake standing we're floating on top of a lake standing we're floating on top of a lake standing there in the middle of the Amazon and JJ there in the middle of the Amazon and JJ there in the middle of the Amazon and JJ just I just I could feel the blood drain just I just I could feel the blood drain just I just I could feel the blood drain out of his face out of his face out of his face and as I go however old I was you know and as I go however old I was you know and as I go however old I was you know maybe 20 years old I just said if I if maybe 20 years old I just said if I if maybe 20 years old I just said if I if we could somehow we could somehow we could somehow show people this we'll be on the front show people this we'll be on the front show people this we'll be on the front cover of National Geographic and we can cover of National Geographic and we can cover of National Geographic and we can protect all the jungle that we want and protect all the jungle that we want and protect all the jungle that we want and so so so I tried to catch it I tried to catch it I tried to catch it yeah so I jumped on the snake and the yeah so I jumped on the snake and the yeah so I jumped on the snake and the only measurement I have of this animal only measurement I have of this animal only measurement I have of this animal is that when I wrapped my arms around it is that when I wrapped my arms around it is that when I wrapped my arms around it I couldn't touch my fingers yeah yeah I couldn't touch my fingers yeah yeah I couldn't touch my fingers yeah yeah and so I was you know my my feet were and so I was you know my my feet were and so I was you know my my feet were dragging into her credit this Anaconda dragging into her credit this Anaconda dragging into her credit this Anaconda did not turn around and eat me because did not turn around and eat me because did not turn around and eat me because her head was you know this bad and and her head was you know this bad and and her head was you know this bad and and she went and she reached the edge of the

she went and she reached the edge of the she went and she reached the edge of the the Grass Island and she starts plunging the Grass Island and she starts plunging the Grass Island and she starts plunging into the dark and so I'm watching the into the dark and so I'm watching the into the dark and so I'm watching the Stars vibrate as this anaconda's going Stars vibrate as this anaconda's going Stars vibrate as this anaconda's going and I had to make the choice and I had to make the choice and I had to make the choice of either going head first down into the of either going head first down into the of either going head first down into the black which no thank you or stopping and black which no thank you or stopping and black which no thank you or stopping and just keeping my hand on this thing as it just keeping my hand on this thing as it just keeping my hand on this thing as it raced by me and I just felt the scales raced by me and I just felt the scales raced by me and I just felt the scales and the muscle and the power go by and and the muscle and the power go by and and the muscle and the power go by and then eventually taper down to the tail then eventually taper down to the tail then eventually taper down to the tail until it slipped away into the darkness until it slipped away into the darkness until it slipped away into the darkness and I was laying there just panting and I was laying there just panting and I was laying there just panting then I turned around and went JJ what then I turned around and went JJ what then I turned around and went JJ what the fuck like where were you man and he the fuck like where were you man and he the fuck like where were you man and he was just like completely white circuits was just like completely white circuits was just like completely white circuits blown and I had to go then like kind of blown and I had to go then like kind of blown and I had to go then like kind of like take care of him I was like are you like take care of him I was like are you like take care of him I was like are you okay and he was like no okay and he was like no okay and he was like no he you know he just couldn't and so we he you know he just couldn't and so we he you know he just couldn't and so we came back with that and then came back with that and then came back with that and then after that we were like okay clearly after that we were like okay clearly after that we were like okay clearly clearly the parameters of reality that clearly the parameters of reality that clearly the parameters of reality that we thought were possible are are are we thought were possible are are are we thought were possible are are are just a tiny fraction of what's out there just a tiny fraction of what's out there just a tiny fraction of what's out there like we we now that that sort of like we we now that that sort of like we we now that that sort of recalibrated us we were like okay we're recalibrated us we were like okay we're recalibrated us we were like okay we're rubbing up against things that are rubbing up against things that are rubbing up against things that are bigger than we thought were ever bigger than we thought were ever bigger than we thought were ever possible and so we were like okay now we possible and so we were like okay now we possible and so we were like okay now we need to we need to concentrate on this need to we need to concentrate on this need to we need to concentrate on this so how dangerous is that creature to you so how dangerous is that creature to you so how dangerous is that creature to you to to humans to humans not at all I mean to to humans to humans not at all I mean to to humans to humans not at all I mean Mike Mike Mike um what are are Cooks uh father-in-law um what are are Cooks uh father-in-law um what are are Cooks uh father-in-law was was eaten by an anaconda but like was was eaten by an anaconda but like was was eaten by an anaconda but like you know then again like the way you say you know then again like the way you say you know then again like the way you say that tell that story sometimes it that tell that story sometimes it that tell that story sometimes it happens it happens I mean come on every happens it happens I mean come on every happens it happens I mean come on every now and then somebody gets stung by a now and then somebody gets stung by a now and then somebody gets stung by a bee and dies like you know it's it once bee and dies like you know it's it once bee and dies like you know it's it once in a while it happens but you gotta have in a while it happens but you gotta have in a while it happens but you gotta have a really big anaconda really hungry and

a really big anaconda really hungry and a really big anaconda really hungry and like anybody that works in the wild I like anybody that works in the wild I like anybody that works in the wild I mean just you know if you you walk up to mean just you know if you you walk up to mean just you know if you you walk up to a Crockett even a giant Nile crocodile a Crockett even a giant Nile crocodile a Crockett even a giant Nile crocodile you walk up to the most of the time you walk up to the most of the time you walk up to the most of the time they're gonna run into the water they they're gonna run into the water they they're gonna run into the water they don't want confrontation they hunt in don't want confrontation they hunt in don't want confrontation they hunt in their way on their terms sneaky you're their way on their terms sneaky you're their way on their terms sneaky you're not going to see them and so with an not going to see them and so with an not going to see them and so with an anaconda it's like yeah if you're I mean anaconda it's like yeah if you're I mean anaconda it's like yeah if you're I mean the guy who got eaten like if you're the guy who got eaten like if you're the guy who got eaten like if you're drunk and you go to the edge of the drunk and you go to the edge of the drunk and you go to the edge of the water and you go for a midnight swim by water and you go for a midnight swim by water and you go for a midnight swim by yourself in an Amazonian Lake I mean yourself in an Amazonian Lake I mean yourself in an Amazonian Lake I mean whose fault is that but if you jump on whose fault is that but if you jump on whose fault is that but if you jump on an account and try to uh yeah try to an account and try to uh yeah try to an account and try to uh yeah try to hold on then you're safe hold on then you're safe hold on then you're safe um apparently I mean I think I've I um apparently I mean I think I've I um apparently I mean I think I've I think at this point we've you know the think at this point we've you know the think at this point we've you know the research we've done I think I've handled research we've done I think I've handled research we've done I think I've handled or caught you know over 80 anacondas in or caught you know over 80 anacondas in or caught you know over 80 anacondas in the field and the field and the field and um not one of them has bitten me they um not one of them has bitten me they um not one of them has bitten me they always choose flight over fight they're always choose flight over fight they're always choose flight over fight they're like just leave me alone let me go I'm like just leave me alone let me go I'm like just leave me alone let me go I'm just gonna crawl under this thing just gonna crawl under this thing just gonna crawl under this thing um they're not an aggressive animal I um they're not an aggressive animal I um they're not an aggressive animal I mean no snake no I actually like I kind mean no snake no I actually like I kind mean no snake no I actually like I kind of like the only time I get particular of like the only time I get particular of like the only time I get particular was like you know the words is like was like you know the words is like was like you know the words is like people go that's an aggressive black people go that's an aggressive black people go that's an aggressive black mambas are aggressive no snake is mambas are aggressive no snake is mambas are aggressive no snake is aggressive a rattlesnake is going to aggressive a rattlesnake is going to aggressive a rattlesnake is going to Rattle to say hey back up Cobra is going Rattle to say hey back up Cobra is going Rattle to say hey back up Cobra is going to stand up and show you its hood and to stand up and show you its hood and to stand up and show you its hood and people go oh look he's being aggressive people go oh look he's being aggressive people go oh look he's being aggressive he's not being aggressive he's going he's not being aggressive he's going he's not being aggressive he's going don't step on me don't make me do this don't step on me don't make me do this don't step on me don't make me do this they're actually being very peaceful they're actually being very peaceful they're actually being very peaceful that's the way I look at it because if that's the way I look at it because if that's the way I look at it because if there's a cobra in the corner of this there's a cobra in the corner of this there's a cobra in the corner of this room right now he would crawl under the room right now he would crawl under the room right now he would crawl under the curtain and we'd never see him again curtain and we'd never see him again curtain and we'd never see him again yeah it's like uh Genghis Khan before yeah it's like uh Genghis Khan before yeah it's like uh Genghis Khan before conquering The Villages he always conquering The Villages he always conquering The Villages he always offered for them to join the Army offered for them to join the Army offered for them to join the Army doesn't need to be like this yeah join doesn't need to be like this yeah join doesn't need to be like this yeah join us nobody gets destroyed if you want to

us nobody gets destroyed if you want to us nobody gets destroyed if you want to be proud and Fight for Your Country then be proud and Fight for Your Country then be proud and Fight for Your Country then uh then we're gonna watch him exactly uh then we're gonna watch him exactly uh then we're gonna watch him exactly okay so how do you how do you catch uh okay so how do you how do you catch uh okay so how do you how do you catch uh actually let's step back because there actually let's step back because there actually let's step back because there is is is in part you are a bit of a snake in part you are a bit of a snake in part you are a bit of a snake Whisperer so what what is it that Whisperer so what what is it that Whisperer so what what is it that that others don't understand that you do that others don't understand that you do that others don't understand that you do about snakes about snakes about snakes what's maybe a misconception what's maybe a misconception what's maybe a misconception or what what is uh what have you learned or what what is uh what have you learned or what what is uh what have you learned from the language you speak that snakes from the language you speak that snakes from the language you speak that snakes understand I don't know it's just it's understand I don't know it's just it's understand I don't know it's just it's an animal that has has many times in my an animal that has has many times in my an animal that has has many times in my life I've been responsible for helping life I've been responsible for helping life I've been responsible for helping um the you know I started catching um the you know I started catching um the you know I started catching snakes when I was very young I'd watch snakes when I was very young I'd watch snakes when I was very young I'd watch Steven wouldn't go out and catch a Steven wouldn't go out and catch a Steven wouldn't go out and catch a garter snake or a black rat snake in New garter snake or a black rat snake in New garter snake or a black rat snake in New York and York and York and um um um and then I had a rule I said I have to and then I had a rule I said I have to and then I had a rule I said I have to catch a hundred non-venomous snakes catch a hundred non-venomous snakes catch a hundred non-venomous snakes before I'm allowed to handle a venomous before I'm allowed to handle a venomous before I'm allowed to handle a venomous snake if I ever need to handle a snake if I ever need to handle a snake if I ever need to handle a venomous snake and then you know I was venomous snake and then you know I was venomous snake and then you know I was on a trail one time I think in Harriman on a trail one time I think in Harriman on a trail one time I think in Harriman State Park and some guy you know like State Park and some guy you know like State Park and some guy you know like some big hero he tells us you know he's some big hero he tells us you know he's some big hero he tells us you know he's like back up I'm gonna get this and he like back up I'm gonna get this and he like back up I'm gonna get this and he like picks up a stick and he like goes like picks up a stick and he like goes like picks up a stick and he like goes to like assault this poor Copperhead to like assault this poor Copperhead to like assault this poor Copperhead that's sitting on the trail that's sitting on the trail that's sitting on the trail and so like at like 16 years old I had and so like at like 16 years old I had and so like at like 16 years old I had to go and like shoulder this guy out of to go and like shoulder this guy out of to go and like shoulder this guy out of the way and I like got the thing by the the way and I like got the thing by the the way and I like got the thing by the tail and used a stick to very gently tail and used a stick to very gently tail and used a stick to very gently just put it off the trail just put it off the trail just put it off the trail Copperhead was not going to do anything Copperhead was not going to do anything Copperhead was not going to do anything to him but he wanted to you know beat to him but he wanted to you know beat to him but he wanted to you know beat his chest and show his wife that he was his chest and show his wife that he was his chest and show his wife that he was tough tough tough but then in India you know I've lived in but then in India you know I've lived in but then in India you know I've lived in India for five years at this point in India for five years at this point in India for five years at this point in and out you know periodically and and

and out you know periodically and and and out you know periodically and and snakes are always getting into people's snakes are always getting into people's snakes are always getting into people's kitchens kitchens kitchens um one time we had a king cobra get into um one time we had a king cobra get into um one time we had a king cobra get into someone's kitchen an 11 foot snake like someone's kitchen an 11 foot snake like someone's kitchen an 11 foot snake like a monster like a god of a snake this a monster like a god of a snake this a monster like a god of a snake this thing stood up you know stand up and be thing stood up you know stand up and be thing stood up you know stand up and be able to look at you over the table able to look at you over the table able to look at you over the table and this terrifying monster thing and this terrifying monster thing and this terrifying monster thing um it's a giant gorilla dog thing like um it's a giant gorilla dog thing like um it's a giant gorilla dog thing like we caught it with one of the local snake we caught it with one of the local snake we caught it with one of the local snake catchers and we brought it out and he catchers and we brought it out and he catchers and we brought it out and he goes goes goes you know I wonder why I was in the you know I wonder why I was in the you know I wonder why I was in the kitchen yeah looking for food and they kitchen yeah looking for food and they kitchen yeah looking for food and they go no they eat snakes king cobra opio go no they eat snakes king cobra opio go no they eat snakes king cobra opio figures Hannah they eat snakes figures Hannah they eat snakes figures Hannah they eat snakes and he goes and he goes and he goes she's thirsty so we got a bottle of she's thirsty so we got a bottle of she's thirsty so we got a bottle of water and we got footage of this and we water and we got footage of this and we water and we got footage of this and we she's standing up she's going don't make she's standing up she's going don't make she's standing up she's going don't make me kill you don't make me kill you me kill you don't make me kill you me kill you don't make me kill you you're scaring me right now I don't want you're scaring me right now I don't want you're scaring me right now I don't want to kill you we took the bottle of the to kill you we took the bottle of the to kill you we took the bottle of the water and we poured it on our nose and water and we poured it on our nose and water and we poured it on our nose and she started she started drinking you can she started she started drinking you can she started she started drinking you can see you could see her just drinking and see you could see her just drinking and see you could see her just drinking and the snake just took this long drinks the snake just took this long drinks the snake just took this long drinks drank a whole water bottle and then said drank a whole water bottle and then said drank a whole water bottle and then said thank you so much and crawled off thank you so much and crawled off thank you so much and crawled off and it's like to me the fact that people and it's like to me the fact that people and it's like to me the fact that people are scared of snakes they have symbolic are scared of snakes they have symbolic are scared of snakes they have symbolic hatred of snakes you know you you know hatred of snakes you know you you know hatred of snakes you know you you know if someone's evil and sneaky we call if someone's evil and sneaky we call if someone's evil and sneaky we call them a snake and like to me it's like them a snake and like to me it's like them a snake and like to me it's like when I take volunteers or researchers or when I take volunteers or researchers or when I take volunteers or researchers or students out into the jungle and we find students out into the jungle and we find students out into the jungle and we find an emerald tree boa or an Amazon Tree an emerald tree boa or an Amazon Tree an emerald tree boa or an Amazon Tree Boa or or a vine snake and it's like Boa or or a vine snake and it's like Boa or or a vine snake and it's like this is it's one of the few animals like this is it's one of the few animals like this is it's one of the few animals like you can't really catch a bird and show you can't really catch a bird and show you can't really catch a bird and show it to people you're gonna scare the it to people you're gonna scare the it to people you're gonna scare the birds feathers are going to come out you birds feathers are going to come out you birds feathers are going to come out you might give it a heart attack snakes you might give it a heart attack snakes you might give it a heart attack snakes you can lift up a snake you know if there's

can lift up a snake you know if there's can lift up a snake you know if there's a snake in the room right now I could a snake in the room right now I could a snake in the room right now I could lift it up and say Lex here this is how lift it up and say Lex here this is how lift it up and say Lex here this is how you hold it and we could interact calmly you hold it and we could interact calmly you hold it and we could interact calmly with this thing and then put it back on with this thing and then put it back on with this thing and then put it back on its branch and then it'll go and I've its branch and then it'll go and I've its branch and then it'll go and I've seen what that does to people I've seen seen what that does to people I've seen seen what that does to people I've seen how the Wonder in their eyes and so to how the Wonder in their eyes and so to how the Wonder in their eyes and so to me snakes have always been this me snakes have always been this me snakes have always been this incredible link to teach people about incredible link to teach people about incredible link to teach people about Wildlife about nature because they have Wildlife about nature because they have Wildlife about nature because they have naturally a lot of fear towards this naturally a lot of fear towards this naturally a lot of fear towards this creature and to realize that the fear is creature and to realize that the fear is creature and to realize that the fear is not justified it's not grounded or is not justified it's not grounded or is not justified it's not grounded or is not as deeply grounded in reality of not as deeply grounded in reality of not as deeply grounded in reality of course there's always was New Yorker course there's always was New Yorker course there's always was New Yorker snakes right there's always going to be snakes right there's always going to be snakes right there's always going to be an asshole snake here and there coming an asshole snake here and there coming an asshole snake here and there coming for me man for me man for me man uh well okay so back to the Anaconda how uh well okay so back to the Anaconda how uh well okay so back to the Anaconda how do you catch an anaconda like what uh do you catch an anaconda like what uh do you catch an anaconda like what uh how do you hand because it's such a 25 how do you hand because it's such a 25 how do you hand because it's such a 25 foot or even 12 foot yeah these giant foot or even 12 foot yeah these giant foot or even 12 foot yeah these giant snakes how do you how do you deal with snakes how do you how do you deal with snakes how do you how do you deal with this creature how do you interact with this creature how do you interact with this creature how do you interact with them we had to learn how to do that them we had to learn how to do that them we had to learn how to do that because one of the first ones we caught because one of the first ones we caught because one of the first ones we caught that I would say maybe like a 16-footer that I would say maybe like a 16-footer that I would say maybe like a 16-footer which is no joke of a snake you know which is no joke of a snake you know which is no joke of a snake you know girth of a basketball let's say girth of a basketball let's say girth of a basketball let's say um you know we're on the canoe and this um you know we're on the canoe and this um you know we're on the canoe and this is this is the early days like you know is this is the early days like you know is this is the early days like you know now we're at a whole different level but now we're at a whole different level but now we're at a whole different level but this is back when we were Barefoot and this is back when we were Barefoot and this is back when we were Barefoot and shirtless and just guys in the Amazon shirtless and just guys in the Amazon shirtless and just guys in the Amazon and JJ's like you know you know I just and JJ's like you know you know I just and JJ's like you know you know I just listened to him he'd be like get off the listened to him he'd be like get off the listened to him he'd be like get off the boat you come from the top we're gonna boat you come from the top we're gonna boat you come from the top we're gonna come from the bottom so okay come from the bottom so okay come from the bottom so okay I just did as I was told I just did as I was told I just did as I was told I came in the snake is all curled up I came in the snake is all curled up I came in the snake is all curled up dead asleep she's got some butterflies dead asleep she's got some butterflies dead asleep she's got some butterflies on her eyes trying to get salt and stuff on her eyes trying to get salt and stuff on her eyes trying to get salt and stuff and all of a sudden I see the tongue so and all of a sudden I see the tongue so and all of a sudden I see the tongue so I'm like she's awake and I'm like guys

I'm like she's awake and I'm like guys I'm like she's awake and I'm like guys guys and like they're they're paying guys and like they're they're paying guys and like they're they're paying attention to not crashing the boat to attention to not crashing the boat to attention to not crashing the boat to getting over there and we're all trying getting over there and we're all trying getting over there and we're all trying to run snake starts going into the water to run snake starts going into the water to run snake starts going into the water so I run ahead grab this snake get her so I run ahead grab this snake get her so I run ahead grab this snake get her by the head so you got her by the head by the head so you got her by the head by the head so you got her by the head you think okay you can't she can't get you think okay you can't she can't get you think okay you can't she can't get me I got it right behind the head and me I got it right behind the head and me I got it right behind the head and it's about this thick the neck what's it's about this thick the neck what's it's about this thick the neck what's that feel like excited to interrupt like that feel like excited to interrupt like that feel like excited to interrupt like grabbing this thing with this giant head grabbing this thing with this giant head grabbing this thing with this giant head it's exciting it's amazing it's it's it's exciting it's amazing it's it's it's exciting it's amazing it's it's scary how hard is it to hold it's not scary how hard is it to hold it's not scary how hard is it to hold it's not that hard to hold the scary part is the that hard to hold the scary part is the that hard to hold the scary part is the moment of it's like if you ever done moment of it's like if you ever done moment of it's like if you ever done like a cliff dive or something it's that like a cliff dive or something it's that like a cliff dive or something it's that moment where you go do it do it the time moment where you go do it do it the time moment where you go do it do it the time like do it and your body's going do not like do it and your body's going do not like do it and your body's going do not do that yeah and then you're like I do that yeah and then you're like I do that yeah and then you're like I gotta just do it and you do it yeah gotta just do it and you do it yeah gotta just do it and you do it yeah because you can't just gently like flirt because you can't just gently like flirt because you can't just gently like flirt with it you have to cry no and it's like with it you have to cry no and it's like with it you have to cry no and it's like it's like crossing the street when it's like crossing the street when it's like crossing the street when there's a bus coming it's like you there's a bus coming it's like you there's a bus coming it's like you hesitate it's more dangerous hesitate it's more dangerous hesitate it's more dangerous you know so like you just you go for it you know so like you just you go for it you know so like you just you go for it and I got her and I was like I got her and I got her and I was like I got her and I got her and I was like I got her and then a coil goes over my wrists and and then a coil goes over my wrists and and then a coil goes over my wrists and all of a sudden my wrists slap together all of a sudden my wrists slap together all of a sudden my wrists slap together and you feel this squeeze that can crush and you feel this squeeze that can crush and you feel this squeeze that can crush the bones out of an animal bigger than the bones out of an animal bigger than the bones out of an animal bigger than me and the next coil comes very quickly me and the next coil comes very quickly me and the next coil comes very quickly over my neck and now I'm on my knees over my neck and now I'm on my knees over my neck and now I'm on my knees with my arms tied if I wanted to let go with my arms tied if I wanted to let go with my arms tied if I wanted to let go of the snake I couldn't and my shoulders of the snake I couldn't and my shoulders of the snake I couldn't and my shoulders are coming together my collarbone is are coming together my collarbone is are coming together my collarbone is about to break and I tried to yell for about to break and I tried to yell for about to break and I tried to yell for JJ and all that came out was there's JJ and all that came out was there's JJ and all that came out was there's nothing and so that's what they do to nothing and so that's what they do to nothing and so that's what they do to their prey you know so I attacked as far their prey you know so I attacked as far their prey you know so I attacked as far as the snake knows I attacked she as the snake knows I attacked she as the snake knows I attacked she doesn't know that I just want to measure doesn't know that I just want to measure doesn't know that I just want to measure her you you started as the big spoon but her you you started as the big spoon but her you you started as the big spoon but then the snake became the big it very then the snake became the big it very then the snake became the big it very much became the big spoon and uh I was I much became the big spoon and uh I was I much became the big spoon and uh I was I would say I was 15 seconds away from

would say I was 15 seconds away from would say I was 15 seconds away from having my entire rib cage collapsed and having my entire rib cage collapsed and having my entire rib cage collapsed and then JJ showed up and grabbed the tail then JJ showed up and grabbed the tail then JJ showed up and grabbed the tail and just started unwrapping this thing and just started unwrapping this thing and just started unwrapping this thing and then we got but now we have a system and then we got but now we have a system and then we got but now we have a system now we know like you know I'm always now we know like you know I'm always now we know like you know I'm always I've done I've gotten more head catches I've done I've gotten more head catches I've done I've gotten more head catches than anybody so I'm usually Point guy than anybody so I'm usually Point guy than anybody so I'm usually Point guy and you know you get you're the you're and you know you get you're the you're and you know you get you're the you're the the first the the point guy okay the the the first the the point guy okay the the the first the the point guy okay the the taking the big risky yes First Step the taking the big risky yes First Step the taking the big risky yes First Step yes although it could be argued that yes although it could be argued that yes although it could be argued that there's a similarly large risk for the there's a similarly large risk for the there's a similarly large risk for the tail guy because the anaconda's defense tail guy because the anaconda's defense tail guy because the anaconda's defense is to take a giant projectile shit and is to take a giant projectile shit and is to take a giant projectile shit and so the person that gets the tail is so the person that gets the tail is so the person that gets the tail is gonna smell like Anaconda for like at gonna smell like Anaconda for like at gonna smell like Anaconda for like at least a week yes it's the least buzzing least a week yes it's the least buzzing least a week yes it's the least buzzing particular you're taking the the most particular you're taking the the most particular you're taking the the most dangerous one there dangerous one there dangerous one there um they have the least Pleasant job this um they have the least Pleasant job this um they have the least Pleasant job this is fascinating but what's really is fascinating but what's really is fascinating but what's really fascinating though is that because of fascinating though is that because of fascinating though is that because of the apex predator they're they're eating the apex predator they're they're eating the apex predator they're they're eating the fish they're eating the birds the fish they're eating the birds the fish they're eating the birds they're eating everything and everything they're eating everything and everything they're eating everything and everything in this riparian ecosystem is absorbing in this riparian ecosystem is absorbing in this riparian ecosystem is absorbing the Mercury that's coming off the gold the Mercury that's coming off the gold the Mercury that's coming off the gold mining in the region and so anacondas mining in the region and so anacondas mining in the region and so anacondas can be can be can be indicative for us of how is Mercury indicative for us of how is Mercury indicative for us of how is Mercury moving through this ecosystem and this moving through this ecosystem and this moving through this ecosystem and this is a region where we've lost hundreds of is a region where we've lost hundreds of is a region where we've lost hundreds of thousands of acres to artisanal gold thousands of acres to artisanal gold thousands of acres to artisanal gold mining where they use mercury to bind mining where they use mercury to bind mining where they use mercury to bind the gold they cut the forest burn the the gold they cut the forest burn the the gold they cut the forest burn the forest forest forest and then they run water through the sand and then they run water through the sand and then they run water through the sand and the sand particles have bits of gold and the sand particles have bits of gold and the sand particles have bits of gold in it not chunks but just little almost in it not chunks but just little almost in it not chunks but just little almost microscopic flecks of gold and then they microscopic flecks of gold and then they microscopic flecks of gold and then they use the Mercury to bind that and then use the Mercury to bind that and then use the Mercury to bind that and then they burn off the Mercury and that Vapor they burn off the Mercury and that Vapor they burn off the Mercury and that Vapor goes up into the clouds just like goes up into the clouds just like goes up into the clouds just like everything else it's all connected down everything else it's all connected down everything else it's all connected down there and then rains down into the

there and then rains down into the there and then rains down into the rivers and so the people in the region rivers and so the people in the region rivers and so the people in the region are having birth defects from the amount are having birth defects from the amount are having birth defects from the amount of Mercury of Mercury of Mercury that's in the water and so we were that's in the water and so we were that's in the water and so we were starting at at one point when we were starting at at one point when we were starting at at one point when we were doing most of our Anaconda research we doing most of our Anaconda research we doing most of our Anaconda research we were learning things like these animals were learning things like these animals were learning things like these animals actually aren't just Ambush Predators actually aren't just Ambush Predators actually aren't just Ambush Predators which is what most of the literature which is what most of the literature which is what most of the literature will tell you is that anacondas are will tell you is that anacondas are will tell you is that anacondas are Ambush predators no they actually go Ambush predators no they actually go Ambush predators no they actually go hunting they'll go find clay licks and hunting they'll go find clay licks and hunting they'll go find clay licks and salt deposits and they'll wait there salt deposits and they'll wait there salt deposits and they'll wait there they'll actually pursue animals and we they'll actually pursue animals and we they'll actually pursue animals and we were trying to take tissue samples to were trying to take tissue samples to were trying to take tissue samples to find out if anacondas could be used to find out if anacondas could be used to find out if anacondas could be used to study how Mercury is moving through the study how Mercury is moving through the study how Mercury is moving through the ecosystem and so that was really it ecosystem and so that was really it ecosystem and so that was really it became can we use these animals not only became can we use these animals not only became can we use these animals not only as ambassadors for wildlife because as ambassadors for wildlife because as ambassadors for wildlife because everybody wants to see the anacondas but everybody wants to see the anacondas but everybody wants to see the anacondas but also also also you know what can we learn from studying you know what can we learn from studying you know what can we learn from studying this very very little understood apex this very very little understood apex this very very little understood apex predator and one of the things you can predator and one of the things you can predator and one of the things you can learn is how Mercury moves through learn is how Mercury moves through learn is how Mercury moves through through the ecosystem which can damage through the ecosystem which can damage through the ecosystem which can damage the ecosystem with all kinds of the ecosystem with all kinds of the ecosystem with all kinds of different ways yeah it's it's brutal man different ways yeah it's it's brutal man different ways yeah it's it's brutal man the the gold mining that's happening the the gold mining that's happening the the gold mining that's happening down there is is it's funny because down there is is it's funny because down there is is it's funny because we've been hearing a lot recently about we've been hearing a lot recently about we've been hearing a lot recently about like the Cobalt mines in Africa and it's like the Cobalt mines in Africa and it's like the Cobalt mines in Africa and it's like where we are in the Amazon like where we are in the Amazon like where we are in the Amazon um we were down there with ABC News I um we were down there with ABC News I um we were down there with ABC News I want to say like a year and a half ago want to say like a year and a half ago want to say like a year and a half ago um with my friend Matt Gutman who's the um with my friend Matt Gutman who's the um with my friend Matt Gutman who's the chief correspondent for ABC and we he chief correspondent for ABC and we he chief correspondent for ABC and we he wanted to see the Amazon fires he wanted wanted to see the Amazon fires he wanted wanted to see the Amazon fires he wanted to see some Wildlife he wanted to see to see some Wildlife he wanted to see to see some Wildlife he wanted to see the areas that we're protecting and then the areas that we're protecting and then the areas that we're protecting and then he goes I want to see he goes I want to see he goes I want to see the gold mining areas and and I'd never the gold mining areas and and I'd never the gold mining areas and and I'd never gotten in so deep but we we met these gotten in so deep but we we met these gotten in so deep but we we met these Russian guy you can't go with the Russian guy you can't go with the Russian guy you can't go with the proving they will kill you like our proving they will kill you like our proving they will kill you like our lawyer's father was was assassinated for

lawyer's father was was assassinated for lawyer's father was was assassinated for standing up to the gold miners standing up to the gold miners standing up to the gold miners there was two Russian guys though who there was two Russian guys though who there was two Russian guys though who had a legal mining concession somehow had a legal mining concession somehow had a legal mining concession somehow way out past the machine gun guarded way out past the machine gun guarded way out past the machine gun guarded limit of the pumpus which is where they limit of the pumpus which is where they limit of the pumpus which is where they do all this gold mining and we got in do all this gold mining and we got in do all this gold mining and we got in there and there and there and took footage of the desert that is took footage of the desert that is took footage of the desert that is forming in what used to be the forming in what used to be the forming in what used to be the headwaters of the Amazon rainforest and headwaters of the Amazon rainforest and headwaters of the Amazon rainforest and it's like there's a massive global scale it's like there's a massive global scale it's like there's a massive global scale ecological crime happening down there ecological crime happening down there ecological crime happening down there that you can see from space from this that you can see from space from this that you can see from space from this unregulated gold mining and the cops unregulated gold mining and the cops unregulated gold mining and the cops can't go there because they will be can't go there because they will be can't go there because they will be murdered it's completely Lawless what's murdered it's completely Lawless what's murdered it's completely Lawless what's the machine gun limit exactly it's the the machine gun limit exactly it's the the machine gun limit exactly it's the border of this area that they call the border of this area that they call the border of this area that they call the pompous which is where the rain forest pompous which is where the rain forest pompous which is where the rain forest has been cut and completely destroyed has been cut and completely destroyed has been cut and completely destroyed and it looks like Mars it's just sand and it looks like Mars it's just sand and it looks like Mars it's just sand and inside of this area are gold miners and inside of this area are gold miners and inside of this area are gold miners and we you know we tried to get in there and we you know we tried to get in there and we you know we tried to get in there to film years ago and there's just a lot to film years ago and there's just a lot to film years ago and there's just a lot of guys with machine guns who don't let of guys with machine guns who don't let of guys with machine guns who don't let that happen and what the Russian guys that happen and what the Russian guys that happen and what the Russian guys you guys had access somehow they'd come you guys had access somehow they'd come you guys had access somehow they'd come down with a bit of money and they had a down with a bit of money and they had a down with a bit of money and they had a new system yeah and actually what was new system yeah and actually what was new system yeah and actually what was interesting is while I was in there interesting is while I was in there interesting is while I was in there they're very friendly and a really they're very friendly and a really they're very friendly and a really really too friendly uh gold miners and really too friendly uh gold miners and really too friendly uh gold miners and they uh one of them while I was there he they uh one of them while I was there he they uh one of them while I was there he uh you know he kind of tapped me on the uh you know he kind of tapped me on the uh you know he kind of tapped me on the shoulder he was like you know look at shoulder he was like you know look at shoulder he was like you know look at those guys he was like those guys over those guys he was like those guys over those guys he was like those guys over there he goes I just heard them say your there he goes I just heard them say your there he goes I just heard them say your name name name and he goes That's not a good thing he and he goes That's not a good thing he and he goes That's not a good thing he goes they know exactly who you are he goes they know exactly who you are he goes they know exactly who you are he goes I wouldn't keep posting to goes I wouldn't keep posting to goes I wouldn't keep posting to Instagram about gold mining in the Instagram about gold mining in the Instagram about gold mining in the Amazon and I was like okay thanks for

Amazon and I was like okay thanks for Amazon and I was like okay thanks for the warning and then you know uh in June the warning and then you know uh in June the warning and then you know uh in June somebody pulled up beside me on a somebody pulled up beside me on a somebody pulled up beside me on a motorcycle and I got a more Stern motorcycle and I got a more Stern motorcycle and I got a more Stern warning but they pay attention to the warning but they pay attention to the warning but they pay attention to the flow of information because they don't flow of information because they don't flow of information because they don't want the world to yeah to find out oh want the world to yeah to find out oh want the world to yeah to find out oh the last thing they want is to be shut the last thing they want is to be shut the last thing they want is to be shut down but the gold miners are notorious down but the gold miners are notorious down but the gold miners are notorious for for for you know just uh whacking people and you know just uh whacking people and you know just uh whacking people and throwing them in a in a pile of you know throwing them in a in a pile of you know throwing them in a in a pile of you know gold mining leftovers it's really like gold mining leftovers it's really like gold mining leftovers it's really like like the Peruvian government has to get like the Peruvian government has to get like the Peruvian government has to get the military to go after them like the the military to go after them like the the military to go after them like the work we've done with gold miners work we've done with gold miners work we've done with gold miners converting them into conservationists converting them into conservationists converting them into conservationists has all been like I mean I've seen the has all been like I mean I've seen the has all been like I mean I've seen the Peruvian Navy come down and literally Peruvian Navy come down and literally Peruvian Navy come down and literally blow up gold mining barges and you know blow up gold mining barges and you know blow up gold mining barges and you know it's it's it's a war it's a war being it's it's it's a war it's a war being it's it's it's a war it's a war being fought in the Amazon fought in the Amazon fought in the Amazon so it's a it's possible to convert them so it's a it's possible to convert them so it's a it's possible to convert them into conservationists what's that into conservationists what's that into conservationists what's that process like we or is that like uh you process like we or is that like uh you process like we or is that like uh you say that in jest no I say that in an say that in jest no I say that in an say that in jest no I say that in an absolute sincerity we we went up River absolute sincerity we we went up River absolute sincerity we we went up River uh up the malinowski river several years uh up the malinowski river several years uh up the malinowski river several years ago and I think it was 2018 and everyone ago and I think it was 2018 and everyone ago and I think it was 2018 and everyone everyone was like you are going to die everyone was like you are going to die everyone was like you are going to die like you will be shot and killed and uh like you will be shot and killed and uh like you will be shot and killed and uh the reason we were able to do it with the reason we were able to do it with the reason we were able to do it with relative safety was that the Gold Miner relative safety was that the Gold Miner relative safety was that the Gold Miner that we were going with that we were going with that we were going with was the brother-in-law of one of my was the brother-in-law of one of my was the brother-in-law of one of my closest friends down there our closest friends down there our closest friends down there our Expedition chef and one of the directors Expedition chef and one of the directors Expedition chef and one of the directors of jungle Keepers and they said look you of jungle Keepers and they said look you of jungle Keepers and they said look you can go just keep a low profile and so I can go just keep a low profile and so I can go just keep a low profile and so I went up with a photographer and we spent went up with a photographer and we spent went up with a photographer and we spent a week there and a week there and a week there and dead animals everywhere deforestation dead animals everywhere deforestation dead animals everywhere deforestation everywhere I mean the things we saw were

everywhere I mean the things we saw were everywhere I mean the things we saw were so horrible and we're living with these so horrible and we're living with these so horrible and we're living with these gold miners that are you know they're gold miners that are you know they're gold miners that are you know they're they're getting their gold they're they're getting their gold they're they're getting their gold they're burning off the Mercury I watched the burning off the Mercury I watched the burning off the Mercury I watched the guy smoking a cigarette burning the guy smoking a cigarette burning the guy smoking a cigarette burning the Mercury off of his gold with the with Mercury off of his gold with the with Mercury off of his gold with the with the vapor going straight into his face the vapor going straight into his face the vapor going straight into his face with his child right there I mean with his child right there I mean with his child right there I mean unbelievable negligence of just sanity unbelievable negligence of just sanity unbelievable negligence of just sanity just and then and then towards the end just and then and then towards the end just and then and then towards the end of the week the Peruvian Navy comes down of the week the Peruvian Navy comes down of the week the Peruvian Navy comes down the river and everyone starts scrambling the river and everyone starts scrambling the river and everyone starts scrambling and I was like I'm just gonna sit here and I was like I'm just gonna sit here and I was like I'm just gonna sit here with my hands up because you know with my hands up because you know with my hands up because you know and they didn't even stop they they and they didn't even stop they they and they didn't even stop they they found the gold mining barge you know found the gold mining barge you know found the gold mining barge you know they have a floating thing in the river they have a floating thing in the river they have a floating thing in the river that just plums the bottom of the river that just plums the bottom of the river that just plums the bottom of the river just sucks all the all the sediment up just sucks all the all the sediment up just sucks all the all the sediment up and they stopped and they strapped a and they stopped and they strapped a and they stopped and they strapped a bunch of explosives to this motor and bunch of explosives to this motor and bunch of explosives to this motor and good Lord the the sound of this good Lord the the sound of this good Lord the the sound of this explosion and there was just hot metal explosion and there was just hot metal explosion and there was just hot metal raining down all over the place and then raining down all over the place and then raining down all over the place and then they just went a bunch of guys in they just went a bunch of guys in they just went a bunch of guys in fatigues and they just kind of like fatigues and they just kind of like fatigues and they just kind of like looked at us like peace and I sat there looked at us like peace and I sat there looked at us like peace and I sat there with this Gold Miner and I went now what with this Gold Miner and I went now what with this Gold Miner and I went now what and he went well now I gotta go get a and he went well now I gotta go get a and he went well now I gotta go get a new motor and I went why don't you just new motor and I went why don't you just new motor and I went why don't you just do something else and he goes what else do something else and he goes what else do something else and he goes what else is there and I went look what we do and is there and I went look what we do and is there and I went look what we do and I sat there with my phone and I was like I sat there with my phone and I was like I sat there with my phone and I was like see this these are pretty tourists and see this these are pretty tourists and see this these are pretty tourists and we feed them food and we show them we feed them food and we show them we feed them food and we show them tarantulas and macaws and they and he tarantulas and macaws and they and he tarantulas and macaws and they and he looked at this and he went wow looked at this and he went wow looked at this and he went wow he goes you he goes you he goes you he goes that looks like so much fun and he goes that looks like so much fun and he goes that looks like so much fun and when it is so much fun so we show people when it is so much fun so we show people when it is so much fun so we show people we bring students to the Jungle we bring students to the Jungle we bring students to the Jungle he goes to you're saying if I build you he goes to you're saying if I build you he goes to you're saying if I build you a lodge you'll bring people I said yeah a lodge you'll bring people I said yeah a lodge you'll bring people I said yeah and I came back a year later and he sat and I came back a year later and he sat and I came back a year later and he sat there with a with a chainsaw a hand saw

there with a with a chainsaw a hand saw there with a with a chainsaw a hand saw and some nails and he cut down like 17 and some nails and he cut down like 17 and some nails and he cut down like 17 palm trees and he built an ecotourism palm trees and he built an ecotourism palm trees and he built an ecotourism Lodge Lodge Lodge so you give them another channel of so you give them another channel of so you give them another channel of survival of making money and that's what survival of making money and that's what survival of making money and that's what we've been doing through jungle Keepers we've been doing through jungle Keepers we've been doing through jungle Keepers for loggers and for all kinds of for loggers and for all kinds of for loggers and for all kinds of extractors is just saying look what do extractors is just saying look what do extractors is just saying look what do you make you make 15 a day destroying you make you make 15 a day destroying you make you make 15 a day destroying the ancient trees of the Jungle what if the ancient trees of the Jungle what if the ancient trees of the Jungle what if we paid you 35 a day to have a uniform we paid you 35 a day to have a uniform we paid you 35 a day to have a uniform and a job and health insurance and and a job and health insurance and and a job and health insurance and security and you just protect it and use security and you just protect it and use security and you just protect it and use all of the Jungle knowledge you've all of the Jungle knowledge you've all of the Jungle knowledge you've gained as a logger to protect this place gained as a logger to protect this place gained as a logger to protect this place who are the loggers trying to to uh who are the loggers trying to to uh who are the loggers trying to to uh destroy the Amazon destroy the Amazon destroy the Amazon can you say a little bit more about it can you say a little bit more about it can you say a little bit more about it is that as a threat to the the Amazon is that as a threat to the the Amazon is that as a threat to the the Amazon rainforest a lot of them are really rainforest a lot of them are really rainforest a lot of them are really close friends of mine they're they're close friends of mine they're they're close friends of mine they're they're they're people that need to make a they're people that need to make a they're people that need to make a living and they're jungle people who you living and they're jungle people who you living and they're jungle people who you know the rainforest is a very know the rainforest is a very know the rainforest is a very challenging especially the Amazon is a challenging especially the Amazon is a challenging especially the Amazon is a very challenging environment so you have very challenging environment so you have very challenging environment so you have these people who they have a chainsaw these people who they have a chainsaw these people who they have a chainsaw they have a job opportunity they go out they have a job opportunity they go out they have a job opportunity they go out and they cut the trees and a lot of and they cut the trees and a lot of and they cut the trees and a lot of these guys grew up fishing they grew up these guys grew up fishing they grew up these guys grew up fishing they grew up in the jungle they know how to do it and in the jungle they know how to do it and in the jungle they know how to do it and so for them it's a way to like they also so for them it's a way to like they also so for them it's a way to like they also love it so this is the thing these are love it so this is the thing these are love it so this is the thing these are outdoorsmen these are guys that love the outdoorsmen these are guys that love the outdoorsmen these are guys that love the jungle and so they you know in the 90s jungle and so they you know in the 90s jungle and so they you know in the 90s we had the mahogany boom where they went we had the mahogany boom where they went we had the mahogany boom where they went out after the mahogany and you almost out after the mahogany and you almost out after the mahogany and you almost can't find a mahogany tree in the jungle can't find a mahogany tree in the jungle can't find a mahogany tree in the jungle anymore anymore anymore and and if you want to talk about like and and if you want to talk about like and and if you want to talk about like carbon sequestration in the rainforest carbon sequestration in the rainforest carbon sequestration in the rainforest the the ancient Hardwoods hold like 60

the the ancient Hardwoods hold like 60 the the ancient Hardwoods hold like 60 percent of the carbon of the whole percent of the carbon of the whole percent of the carbon of the whole rainforest they have an outsized rainforest they have an outsized rainforest they have an outsized disproportionate Mass from from that disproportionate Mass from from that disproportionate Mass from from that ancient density of the wood ancient density of the wood ancient density of the wood and so these these these loggers go out and so these these these loggers go out and so these these these loggers go out and they cut the wood that's most and they cut the wood that's most and they cut the wood that's most valuable and then they bring it back to valuable and then they bring it back to valuable and then they bring it back to town and they sell it and then people town and they sell it and then people town and they sell it and then people like us buy it and put it on our kitchen like us buy it and put it on our kitchen like us buy it and put it on our kitchen floors yeah floors yeah floors yeah and you know and so and you know and so and you know and so the thing is is I should you know when I the thing is is I should you know when I the thing is is I should you know when I got to the Amazon it was you know got to the Amazon it was you know got to the Amazon it was you know loggers are the bad guys loggers are the bad guys loggers are the bad guys and if you talk to you know a lot of and if you talk to you know a lot of and if you talk to you know a lot of like the phds that I worked with down like the phds that I worked with down like the phds that I worked with down there where you know always very at odds there where you know always very at odds there where you know always very at odds with the miners at odds with the with with the miners at odds with the with with the miners at odds with the with the loggers and then I'd be with JJ and the loggers and then I'd be with JJ and the loggers and then I'd be with JJ and JJ would sit down and he'd be like hey JJ would sit down and he'd be like hey JJ would sit down and he'd be like hey let's pour a drink oh they have masato let's pour a drink oh they have masato let's pour a drink oh they have masato let's all sit down like we'd all be let's all sit down like we'd all be let's all sit down like we'd all be chilling and throwing them back with a chilling and throwing them back with a chilling and throwing them back with a bunch of lagers bunch of lagers bunch of lagers and and then those the opportunity and and then those the opportunity and and then those the opportunity through through not vilifying these through through not vilifying these through through not vilifying these people came to be like oh these are people came to be like oh these are people came to be like oh these are these are these guys are great you know these are these guys are great you know these are these guys are great you know and then of course out in the wild every and then of course out in the wild every and then of course out in the wild every now and then something will happen now and then something will happen now and then something will happen you'll see somebody's boat flipped over you'll see somebody's boat flipped over you'll see somebody's boat flipped over and you go you go help them out and then and you go you go help them out and then and you go you go help them out and then that that creates a certain type of that that creates a certain type of that that creates a certain type of kinship so they're ultimately people who kinship so they're ultimately people who kinship so they're ultimately people who love love love who love the same thing you love often who love the same thing you love often who love the same thing you love often yeah even if they don't love it they're yeah even if they don't love it they're yeah even if they don't love it they're people that aren't necessarily looking people that aren't necessarily looking people that aren't necessarily looking to destroy it I've met loggers who have to destroy it I've met loggers who have to destroy it I've met loggers who have looked at at trees they're about to cut looked at at trees they're about to cut looked at at trees they're about to cut and gone ah this is a shame start it up and gone ah this is a shame start it up and gone ah this is a shame start it up you know they're just like this is where you know they're just like this is where you know they're just like this is where the paycheck comes from let's come back the paycheck comes from let's come back the paycheck comes from let's come back briefly to anacondas can you tell me uh this whole situation

can you tell me uh this whole situation with discoveries eaten alive there's with discoveries eaten alive there's with discoveries eaten alive there's some drama and controversy around that some drama and controversy around that some drama and controversy around that can you explain that whole Saga with can you explain that whole Saga with can you explain that whole Saga with Discovery with Discovery with Discovery with um with your whole effort maybe outside um with your whole effort maybe outside um with your whole effort maybe outside of even the drama the the initial thing of even the drama the the initial thing of even the drama the the initial thing which I now feel you're sufficiently which I now feel you're sufficiently which I now feel you're sufficiently insane to actually do of being eaten by insane to actually do of being eaten by insane to actually do of being eaten by Anaconda is that actually possible to Anaconda is that actually possible to Anaconda is that actually possible to survive something like that I mean if survive something like that I mean if survive something like that I mean if anaconda swallows you while you're anaconda swallows you while you're anaconda swallows you while you're wearing the suit that they made maybe wearing the suit that they made maybe wearing the suit that they made maybe but that was in hindsight whether that but that was in hindsight whether that but that was in hindsight whether that was the result of look was the result of look was the result of look I go to the Jungle I go to the Jungle I go to the Jungle and you start seeing these beautiful and you start seeing these beautiful and you start seeing these beautiful places these incredible species you places these incredible species you places these incredible species you start developing a relationship with start developing a relationship with start developing a relationship with these animals these animals these animals and then you watch it get destroyed and then you watch it get destroyed and then you watch it get destroyed every year we watch it burn every year every year we watch it burn every year every year we watch it burn every year places that are are crucial to my soul I places that are are crucial to my soul I places that are are crucial to my soul I have seen leveled and turned to Ash have seen leveled and turned to Ash have seen leveled and turned to Ash and at some point we started going and at some point we started going and at some point we started going someone has to do something about this someone has to do something about this someone has to do something about this and you look to your right and you look and you look to your right and you look and you look to your right and you look to your left and there is no one because to your left and there is no one because to your left and there is no one because it's the middle of the Amazon and the it's the middle of the Amazon and the it's the middle of the Amazon and the rainforests have been being destroyed rainforests have been being destroyed rainforests have been being destroyed since the 70s it's a cliche since the 70s it's a cliche since the 70s it's a cliche and so we started trying to do something and so we started trying to do something and so we started trying to do something about it and so I started putting a about it and so I started putting a about it and so I started putting a little bit more emphasis on little bit more emphasis on little bit more emphasis on on publicity a little bit more emphasis on publicity a little bit more emphasis on publicity a little bit more emphasis on getting the message out there and so on getting the message out there and so on getting the message out there and so I started trying to see how what was I started trying to see how what was I started trying to see how what was going to work you know you start firing going to work you know you start firing going to work you know you start firing shots in the dark and seeing and you shots in the dark and seeing and you shots in the dark and seeing and you know JJ's going you have to help us do

know JJ's going you have to help us do know JJ's going you have to help us do something in a moon something in a moon something in a moon okay you know and so from 18 years old okay you know and so from 18 years old okay you know and so from 18 years old now now I'm 23 years old and all of a now now I'm 23 years old and all of a now now I'm 23 years old and all of a sudden this place isn't isn't foreign to sudden this place isn't isn't foreign to sudden this place isn't isn't foreign to me anymore it's it's home me anymore it's it's home me anymore it's it's home and and so when you're trying to think and and so when you're trying to think and and so when you're trying to think of all the different ways you can bring of all the different ways you can bring of all the different ways you can bring attention to this place that you care attention to this place that you care attention to this place that you care about that's being destroyed yeah you're about that's being destroyed yeah you're about that's being destroyed yeah you're standing next to a boulder of progress standing next to a boulder of progress standing next to a boulder of progress of of Destruction and it's about to roll of of Destruction and it's about to roll of of Destruction and it's about to roll onto the forest and just destroy it and onto the forest and just destroy it and onto the forest and just destroy it and snuff out all that life and no one's snuff out all that life and no one's snuff out all that life and no one's there to do anything about it and so you there to do anything about it and so you there to do anything about it and so you go go go is there any way that I could put myself is there any way that I could put myself is there any way that I could put myself in front of this Boulder and hold it in front of this Boulder and hold it in front of this Boulder and hold it back back back and you're talking about you know the and you're talking about you know the and you're talking about you know the globe the global economic reality it's globe the global economic reality it's globe the global economic reality it's just it's just such a massive it's just it's just such a massive it's just it's just such a massive it's systemic so what's the most dramatic systemic so what's the most dramatic systemic so what's the most dramatic possible thing I could do exactly so possible thing I could do exactly so possible thing I could do exactly so when you find yourself flown to La as a when you find yourself flown to La as a when you find yourself flown to La as a 23 year old dude and uh you're sitting 23 year old dude and uh you're sitting 23 year old dude and uh you're sitting there with some guy you know who's like there with some guy you know who's like there with some guy you know who's like spinning a pen and got his feet up on spinning a pen and got his feet up on spinning a pen and got his feet up on the desk and going you know what can you the desk and going you know what can you the desk and going you know what can you show us down there and you go I could show us down there and you go I could show us down there and you go I could show you the biggest anacondas in the show you the biggest anacondas in the show you the biggest anacondas in the world and we could talk about Mercury world and we could talk about Mercury world and we could talk about Mercury and bioaccumulation and we could show and bioaccumulation and we could show and bioaccumulation and we could show people how these animals are people how these animals are people how these animals are misunderstood and we go on a big misunderstood and we go on a big misunderstood and we go on a big Expedition and we could be the coolest Expedition and we could be the coolest Expedition and we could be the coolest show ever and he goes yeah show ever and he goes yeah show ever and he goes yeah not good enough okay and so those that not good enough okay and so those that not good enough okay and so those that that that that cycled through a bunch of that that that cycled through a bunch of that that that cycled through a bunch of times and someone at some point in one times and someone at some point in one times and someone at some point in one of those meetings said you know what if of those meetings said you know what if of those meetings said you know what if we show people that anacondas really we show people that anacondas really we show people that anacondas really can't eat humans and I went how is that can't eat humans and I went how is that can't eat humans and I went how is that a good show you want me to feed someone a good show you want me to feed someone a good show you want me to feed someone to an anaconda and I said I said I mean

to an anaconda and I said I said I mean to an anaconda and I said I said I mean and I kind of joked like what if you and I kind of joked like what if you and I kind of joked like what if you know I said the only way that's feasible know I said the only way that's feasible know I said the only way that's feasible is if you like make a suit with a is if you like make a suit with a is if you like make a suit with a breathing apparatus and let the snake breathing apparatus and let the snake breathing apparatus and let the snake eat you and then come back out safely eat you and then come back out safely eat you and then come back out safely and make sure you don't hurt the snake and make sure you don't hurt the snake and make sure you don't hurt the snake and they're like kid you're on and I was and they're like kid you're on and I was and they're like kid you're on and I was like oh shit so I should mention it's a like oh shit so I should mention it's a like oh shit so I should mention it's a small tangent I think I mentioned to you small tangent I think I mentioned to you small tangent I think I mentioned to you offline uh due to travel troubles so I offline uh due to travel troubles so I offline uh due to travel troubles so I traveled to the totally wrong part of traveled to the totally wrong part of traveled to the totally wrong part of the United States the United States the United States um on my way to Boston uh and on my way um on my way to Boston uh and on my way um on my way to Boston uh and on my way to Boston I did a conversation with uh to Boston I did a conversation with uh to Boston I did a conversation with uh Mr Beast Jimmy and I've gotten a chance Mr Beast Jimmy and I've gotten a chance Mr Beast Jimmy and I've gotten a chance to hang out with him for the day and one to hang out with him for the day and one to hang out with him for the day and one of the things we did is have of the things we did is have of the things we did is have a lengthy brainstorm session with this a lengthy brainstorm session with this a lengthy brainstorm session with this team or I was I was observing it sure team or I was I was observing it sure team or I was I was observing it sure sure sure sure um but it was interesting because he's um but it was interesting because he's um but it was interesting because he's probably way better at that conversation probably way better at that conversation probably way better at that conversation that you had with the with a guy in La that you had with the with a guy in La that you had with the with a guy in La yeah and the guy in La obviously because yeah and the guy in La obviously because yeah and the guy in La obviously because he's made he's made he's made he's revolutionizing entertainment and he's revolutionizing entertainment and he's revolutionizing entertainment and he's also doing philanthropy yeah yeah he's also doing philanthropy yeah yeah he's also doing philanthropy yeah yeah which he's trying to figure out how to which he's trying to figure out how to which he's trying to figure out how to help the world with that kind of stuff help the world with that kind of stuff help the world with that kind of stuff so I would love to actually I'll send so I would love to actually I'll send so I would love to actually I'll send him a message to see what what his him a message to see what what his him a message to see what what his thoughts just brainstorm he's so strong thoughts just brainstorm he's so strong thoughts just brainstorm he's so strong at this yeah literally taking the at this yeah literally taking the at this yeah literally taking the situation you're facing yeah here's the situation you're facing yeah here's the situation you're facing yeah here's the place that I really care about is being place that I really care about is being place that I really care about is being burned down burned down burned down it's being destroyed uh it's being destroyed uh it's being destroyed uh what's the sexy video Yeah well how do what's the sexy video Yeah well how do what's the sexy video Yeah well how do you get how do you get people to watch you get how do you get people to watch you get how do you get people to watch something that's you know we all change something that's you know we all change something that's you know we all change the channel when they show us the kids the channel when they show us the kids the channel when they show us the kids in Africa with the swollen stomachs

in Africa with the swollen stomachs in Africa with the swollen stomachs nobody wants to see it and it's like nobody wants to see it and it's like nobody wants to see it and it's like with the rainforest that like we know we with the rainforest that like we know we with the rainforest that like we know we know we know and I'm going know we know and I'm going know we know and I'm going I could give data all day long I could I could give data all day long I could I could give data all day long I could show photos of burning forest and so I show photos of burning forest and so I show photos of burning forest and so I was looking for what would do it so the was looking for what would do it so the was looking for what would do it so the eating alive thing without spending too eating alive thing without spending too eating alive thing without spending too much time on a massive misstep was I much time on a massive misstep was I much time on a massive misstep was I agreed to do it they paid me at the time agreed to do it they paid me at the time agreed to do it they paid me at the time more money than I had made before which more money than I had made before which more money than I had made before which I very much needed because nobody pays I very much needed because nobody pays I very much needed because nobody pays you to be a conservationist you to be a conservationist you to be a conservationist um so I was a very poor 23 year old that um so I was a very poor 23 year old that um so I was a very poor 23 year old that was like yes I would love that please was like yes I would love that please was like yes I would love that please and I thought you know what this is the and I thought you know what this is the and I thought you know what this is the start of a TV career yeah start of a TV career yeah start of a TV career yeah um um um we got we got shafted so bad I mean they we got we got shafted so bad I mean they we got we got shafted so bad I mean they used somehow they changed our voices used somehow they changed our voices used somehow they changed our voices they changed the things we said they they changed the things we said they they changed the things we said they changed the message of the film there's changed the message of the film there's changed the message of the film there's one point where we had caught a 19-foot one point where we had caught a 19-foot one point where we had caught a 19-foot snake and I was holding her head and I snake and I was holding her head and I snake and I was holding her head and I said this is such a beautiful animal the said this is such a beautiful animal the said this is such a beautiful animal the queen of the Amazon this is such a great queen of the Amazon this is such a great queen of the Amazon this is such a great moment for me I kissed her on the head I moment for me I kissed her on the head I moment for me I kissed her on the head I said she's made so many babies look at said she's made so many babies look at said she's made so many babies look at the scars I was talking about just the the scars I was talking about just the the scars I was talking about just the Poetry of this incredible dragon and Poetry of this incredible dragon and Poetry of this incredible dragon and then the producer goes yeah yeah that's then the producer goes yeah yeah that's then the producer goes yeah yeah that's great listen if that was to bite you great listen if that was to bite you great listen if that was to bite you what would happen and I was like oh well what would happen and I was like oh well what would happen and I was like oh well if it bit you you know you'd bleed out if it bit you you know you'd bleed out if it bit you you know you'd bleed out because it would lacerate down to the because it would lacerate down to the because it would lacerate down to the that's what they put in the film and so that's what they put in the film and so that's what they put in the film and so day of they should they didn't show me day of they should they didn't show me day of they should they didn't show me the film until the night before I went the film until the night before I went the film until the night before I went on Matt Lauer's show and I said I am not on Matt Lauer's show and I said I am not on Matt Lauer's show and I said I am not endorsing this film endorsing this film endorsing this film and they had called it Expedition on the and they had called it Expedition on the and they had called it Expedition on the call sheet they'd call it Expedition EA call sheet they'd call it Expedition EA call sheet they'd call it Expedition EA Expedition Amazon Expedition Amazon Expedition Amazon all of a sudden they changed it to eaten all of a sudden they changed it to eaten all of a sudden they changed it to eaten alive and I went wait guys wait wait

alive and I went wait guys wait wait alive and I went wait guys wait wait wait I said you're gonna make people wait I said you're gonna make people wait I said you're gonna make people think that it actually happened not that think that it actually happened not that think that it actually happened not that we're attempting it we're attempting it we're attempting it and they and I say I'm not and then they and they and I say I'm not and then they and they and I say I'm not and then they called me and they said you better called me and they said you better called me and they said you better you're going on live TV tomorrow they you're going on live TV tomorrow they you're going on live TV tomorrow they said you let us know what level of said you let us know what level of said you let us know what level of control we need to show for you right it control we need to show for you right it control we need to show for you right it was very threatening phone call and uh was very threatening phone call and uh was very threatening phone call and uh so I had to go out and smile for the so I had to go out and smile for the so I had to go out and smile for the cameras cameras cameras and endorse something that was a train and endorse something that was a train and endorse something that was a train wreck and the the scientific Community wreck and the the scientific Community wreck and the the scientific Community was like you're an idiot we don't want was like you're an idiot we don't want was like you're an idiot we don't want to ever see you again I lost a lot of to ever see you again I lost a lot of to ever see you again I lost a lot of opportunities Peta came which you know opportunities Peta came which you know opportunities Peta came which you know Peta whatever but Peta came out people Peta whatever but Peta came out people Peta whatever but Peta came out people were like you you were trying to hurt a were like you you were trying to hurt a were like you you were trying to hurt a snake which I would never do and then snake which I would never do and then snake which I would never do and then the American public was like you know the American public was like you know the American public was like you know you said you were going to get eaten by you said you were going to get eaten by you said you were going to get eaten by a snake and you didn't and so everyone a snake and you didn't and so everyone a snake and you didn't and so everyone was pissed I basically had to Exile was pissed I basically had to Exile was pissed I basically had to Exile myself to India for like six months and myself to India for like six months and myself to India for like six months and just I mean I had death threats coming just I mean I had death threats coming just I mean I had death threats coming through all my messages were furious through all my messages were furious through all my messages were furious with me what gave you strength to that with me what gave you strength to that with me what gave you strength to that how difficult was that psychologically how difficult was that psychologically how difficult was that psychologically just everything you care about being just everything you care about being just everything you care about being completely kind of flipped upside down completely kind of flipped upside down completely kind of flipped upside down I've spent so much time on the ground I've spent so much time on the ground I've spent so much time on the ground with the local people learning from the with the local people learning from the with the local people learning from the wildlife it's such a devout and wildlife it's such a devout and wildlife it's such a devout and important thing to me and it got turned important thing to me and it got turned important thing to me and it got turned into a a sideshow it got turned into a into a a sideshow it got turned into a into a a sideshow it got turned into a joke and then not just a joke it got joke and then not just a joke it got joke and then not just a joke it got turned into that I'm somehow bad to turned into that I'm somehow bad to turned into that I'm somehow bad to animals you know I'm I'm animals you know I'm I'm animals you know I'm I'm um irresponsible scientifically um irresponsible scientifically um irresponsible scientifically Jimmy Kimmel told me to have sex with a Jimmy Kimmel told me to have sex with a Jimmy Kimmel told me to have sex with a hippo as my next stunt like it was like hippo as my next stunt like it was like hippo as my next stunt like it was like it got really ugly and it misfired so it got really ugly and it misfired so it got really ugly and it misfired so bad and when you hear these like bad and when you hear these like bad and when you hear these like motivational speakers talk about you

motivational speakers talk about you motivational speakers talk about you know you just got to keep trying and know you just got to keep trying and know you just got to keep trying and sometimes you're gonna fail hard it was sometimes you're gonna fail hard it was sometimes you're gonna fail hard it was like that one I got hit in the head with like that one I got hit in the head with like that one I got hit in the head with a baseball bat that one was tough a baseball bat that one was tough a baseball bat that one was tough and uh at the time I was like I'm fine and uh at the time I was like I'm fine and uh at the time I was like I'm fine and I was like I'm gonna go away for a and I was like I'm gonna go away for a and I was like I'm gonna go away for a while you know and then and I learned a while you know and then and I learned a while you know and then and I learned a lot though like at this point I'm still lot though like at this point I'm still lot though like at this point I'm still glad I did it because man did I learn a glad I did it because man did I learn a glad I did it because man did I learn a lot about what what a room full of lot about what what a room full of lot about what what a room full of people that you don't know who could people that you don't know who could people that you don't know who could look you in the eye and shake your hand look you in the eye and shake your hand look you in the eye and shake your hand and say trust us and say trust us and say trust us oh boy do you have on a human level of oh boy do you have on a human level of oh boy do you have on a human level of resentment resentment resentment towards Discovery towards the people towards Discovery towards the people towards Discovery towards the people involved be able to forgive them I don't involved be able to forgive them I don't involved be able to forgive them I don't care it literally that's what they do care it literally that's what they do care it literally that's what they do you know they literally put out a you know they literally put out a you know they literally put out a documentary saying that mermaids were documentary saying that mermaids were documentary saying that mermaids were real real real you know it's like wait a minute wait a you know it's like wait a minute wait a you know it's like wait a minute wait a minute they're not minute they're not minute they're not listen listen listen uh I said I'm not even touching that one uh I said I'm not even touching that one uh I said I'm not even touching that one it is true the document there is a there it is true the document there is a there it is true the document there is a there is a documentary where they duped a is a documentary where they duped a is a documentary where they duped a bunch of scientists who are like bunch of scientists who are like bunch of scientists who are like oceanographers and they like showed them oceanographers and they like showed them oceanographers and they like showed them ancient footage of you know Mariners ancient footage of you know Mariners ancient footage of you know Mariners saying that seals were mermaids who saying that seals were mermaids who saying that seals were mermaids who cares it's it's it's it's it's I was cares it's it's it's it's it's I was cares it's it's it's it's it's I was young young young I got brought to Hollywood and I got I got brought to Hollywood and I got I got brought to Hollywood and I got spit out the other side and that's on me spit out the other side and that's on me spit out the other side and that's on me that's not their fault you know you that's not their fault you know you that's not their fault you know you there's that you know you don't the there's that you know you don't the there's that you know you don't the there's that parable about the Frog who there's that parable about the Frog who there's that parable about the Frog who gives the Scorpion a ride across the gives the Scorpion a ride across the gives the Scorpion a ride across the water and then at the end he says I'll water and then at the end he says I'll water and then at the end he says I'll give you a ride just don't sting me and give you a ride just don't sting me and give you a ride just don't sting me and then get to the other side and scorpion then get to the other side and scorpion then get to the other side and scorpion stings them and the Frog goes why did stings them and the Frog goes why did stings them and the Frog goes why did you do that and the Scorpion goes I'm a you do that and the Scorpion goes I'm a you do that and the Scorpion goes I'm a scorpion yeah that's it's not their scorpion yeah that's it's not their scorpion yeah that's it's not their fault it's in my nature but uh now that fault it's in my nature but uh now that fault it's in my nature but uh now that you've become much more well known and

you've become much more well known and you've become much more well known and much more successful what you do you much more successful what you do you much more successful what you do you have a platform can you return to those have a platform can you return to those have a platform can you return to those people and use it the machine to get people and use it the machine to get people and use it the machine to get more and more attention is that more and more attention is that more and more attention is that something you work on or do you prefer something you work on or do you prefer something you work on or do you prefer to work completely outside to work completely outside to work completely outside I think that most of the success that I think that most of the success that I think that most of the success that we've had now we've had now we've had now in protecting the rainforest and and and in protecting the rainforest and and and in protecting the rainforest and and and it's the levels that we've reached are it's the levels that we've reached are it's the levels that we've reached are so far I think back to those Barefoot so far I think back to those Barefoot so far I think back to those Barefoot days of catching snakes with JJ in the days of catching snakes with JJ in the days of catching snakes with JJ in the boat and now the massive Ecological boat and now the massive Ecological boat and now the massive Ecological Reserve we have and the team of Rangers Reserve we have and the team of Rangers Reserve we have and the team of Rangers and the converted loggers and all of and the converted loggers and all of and the converted loggers and all of that is because of that is because of that is because of the ability to communicate and to show the ability to communicate and to show the ability to communicate and to show people but that's all been through people but that's all been through people but that's all been through social media social media social media and so I'm open to the fact you know if and so I'm open to the fact you know if and so I'm open to the fact you know if if somebody came and gave a sort of like if somebody came and gave a sort of like if somebody came and gave a sort of like bourdainian pass where they said look bourdainian pass where they said look bourdainian pass where they said look you can be yourself you can swear you you can be yourself you can swear you you can be yourself you can swear you can fart you can smoke you can do can fart you can smoke you can do can fart you can smoke you can do whatever you want to do go out there and whatever you want to do go out there and whatever you want to do go out there and show us the real thing I would love to show us the real thing I would love to show us the real thing I would love to but now I know how those contracts need but now I know how those contracts need but now I know how those contracts need to be I need to have a right to refusal to be I need to have a right to refusal to be I need to have a right to refusal and they can't change them and so I'd and they can't change them and so I'd and they can't change them and so I'd almost rather just do it like the way I almost rather just do it like the way I almost rather just do it like the way I think like Mr Beast does stuff where think like Mr Beast does stuff where think like Mr Beast does stuff where it's like you just you get a crew guys it's like you just you get a crew guys it's like you just you get a crew guys and some seed money and go film the and some seed money and go film the and some seed money and go film the episodes and put it out exactly I mean a episodes and put it out exactly I mean a episodes and put it out exactly I mean a committee never helped real art be committee never helped real art be committee never helped real art be better it has to come from the the the better it has to come from the the the better it has to come from the the the source of inspiration so you get you I source of inspiration so you get you I source of inspiration so you get you I think you know you get JJ and a crew of think you know you get JJ and a crew of think you know you get JJ and a crew of people or the guys in Africa that I'm people or the guys in Africa that I'm people or the guys in Africa that I'm working with right now do an elephant working with right now do an elephant working with right now do an elephant conservation and like conservation and like conservation and like but you gotta show real I mean look but you gotta show real I mean look but you gotta show real I mean look that's why that's why I mean look that's

that's why that's why I mean look that's that's why that's why I mean look that's why Joe Rogan isn't is is important why Joe Rogan isn't is is important why Joe Rogan isn't is is important right now that's why you're important right now that's why you're important right now that's why you're important right now is because it's not being right now is because it's not being right now is because it's not being filtered through filtered through filtered through this ridiculous system of of polishing this ridiculous system of of polishing this ridiculous system of of polishing it and dumbing it down and yeah that's it and dumbing it down and yeah that's it and dumbing it down and yeah that's why Joe has been an inspiration you why Joe has been an inspiration you why Joe has been an inspiration you don't need a a crew of a bunch of people don't need a a crew of a bunch of people don't need a a crew of a bunch of people you don't need a crew period and all you you don't need a crew period and all you you don't need a crew period and all you need is need is need is oh one or two other people and that's it oh one or two other people and that's it oh one or two other people and that's it in my case you don't need anybody I've in my case you don't need anybody I've in my case you don't need anybody I've been doing this uh I by requirement I been doing this uh I by requirement I been doing this uh I by requirement I just need to be by myself there's a few just need to be by myself there's a few just need to be by myself there's a few other folks now that help with the other folks now that help with the other folks now that help with the editing and so on but it's just they editing and so on but it's just they editing and so on but it's just they make life more awesome as opposed to a make life more awesome as opposed to a make life more awesome as opposed to a boss that's that tells like a creative boss that's that tells like a creative boss that's that tells like a creative director yeah somebody told me actually director yeah somebody told me actually director yeah somebody told me actually I was visiting I was visiting I was visiting La I think it was in LA they were saying La I think it was in LA they were saying La I think it was in LA they were saying that that that um now for all intimate scenes and um now for all intimate scenes and um now for all intimate scenes and Hollywood movies there's an intimacy Hollywood movies there's an intimacy Hollywood movies there's an intimacy director so when there's a uh two people director so when there's a uh two people director so when there's a uh two people having sex there's a third person that having sex there's a third person that having sex there's a third person that ensures that uh on film so it's not real ensures that uh on film so it's not real ensures that uh on film so it's not real but there's still intimacy uh that but there's still intimacy uh that but there's still intimacy uh that there's a third person that ensures that there's a third person that ensures that there's a third person that ensures that like everyone is comfortable and the like everyone is comfortable and the like everyone is comfortable and the actors say that this like always ruins actors say that this like always ruins actors say that this like always ruins the the chemistry of the scene yeah and the the chemistry of the scene yeah and the the chemistry of the scene yeah and so so so it's a very Hollywood thing I understand it's a very Hollywood thing I understand it's a very Hollywood thing I understand there's creepy people I still understand there's creepy people I still understand there's creepy people I still understand um thanks for every wines uh it's um thanks for every wines uh it's um thanks for every wines uh it's usually I think comes from the director usually I think comes from the director usually I think comes from the director pushing things too hard if you just pushing things too hard if you just pushing things too hard if you just leave it to the actors they know their leave it to the actors they know their leave it to the actors they know their boundaries they can control their own boundaries they can control their own boundaries they can control their own boundaries uh so the intimacy director boundaries uh so the intimacy director boundaries uh so the intimacy director is more for the like the director is more for the like the director is more for the like the director pushing thing you know there's pushing thing you know there's pushing thing you know there's I understand I understand the logic like

I understand I understand the logic like I understand I understand the logic like let's make sure that we don't have let's make sure that we don't have let's make sure that we don't have anything happen here that shouldn't be anything happen here that shouldn't be anything happen here that shouldn't be happening I get it but I yeah happening I get it but I yeah happening I get it but I yeah but but no I think the authenticity is but but no I think the authenticity is but but no I think the authenticity is is is the greatest currency and I think is is the greatest currency and I think is is the greatest currency and I think that in order for me to tell the stories that in order for me to tell the stories that in order for me to tell the stories that I can tell like you know what that I can tell like you know what that I can tell like you know what changed the game for me was I want to changed the game for me was I want to changed the game for me was I want to tell you this story sure so in 2019 tell you this story sure so in 2019 tell you this story sure so in 2019 um um um that the Amazon fire started popping off that the Amazon fire started popping off that the Amazon fire started popping off and we had just gone to to film uh like and we had just gone to to film uh like and we had just gone to to film uh like a month earlier we'd filmed like a small a month earlier we'd filmed like a small a month earlier we'd filmed like a small documentary and uh they'd been following documentary and uh they'd been following documentary and uh they'd been following me as if I was on a as if I was on a me as if I was on a as if I was on a me as if I was on a as if I was on a solo which you know we did the best we solo which you know we did the best we solo which you know we did the best we could I let I lived on my own but we as could I let I lived on my own but we as could I let I lived on my own but we as we were driving we passed a spot where we were driving we passed a spot where we were driving we passed a spot where the Flames were 70 feet tall the forest the Flames were 70 feet tall the forest the Flames were 70 feet tall the forest was being destroyed and I went out there was being destroyed and I went out there was being destroyed and I went out there with my phone which overheated in like with my phone which overheated in like with my phone which overheated in like two minutes and said you can't use it two minutes and said you can't use it two minutes and said you can't use it but for a second I was out there in the but for a second I was out there in the but for a second I was out there in the Flames picking up animals and throwing Flames picking up animals and throwing Flames picking up animals and throwing them off to try and just get them cooled them off to try and just get them cooled them off to try and just get them cooled off I was trying to get snakes out of off I was trying to get snakes out of off I was trying to get snakes out of there everything was the birds are there everything was the birds are there everything was the birds are flying and I fucking lost it I I was flying and I fucking lost it I I was flying and I fucking lost it I I was red-eyed I was crying and I was going red-eyed I was crying and I was going red-eyed I was crying and I was going this is happening every fucking day I this is happening every fucking day I this is happening every fucking day I was screaming and it's the first time was screaming and it's the first time was screaming and it's the first time foreign foreign foreign I've seen the burning so many times and I've seen the burning so many times and I've seen the burning so many times and I just lost it that day and I don't know I just lost it that day and I don't know I just lost it that day and I don't know what made me pull out my phone because what made me pull out my phone because what made me pull out my phone because usually in those intense moments I I say usually in those intense moments I I say usually in those intense moments I I say forget the documentation this is real forget the documentation this is real forget the documentation this is real life we got stuff to do and I'm doing life we got stuff to do and I'm doing life we got stuff to do and I'm doing I'm not documenting and then a month I'm not documenting and then a month I'm not documenting and then a month later I'm home and I'm in New York and later I'm home and I'm in New York and later I'm home and I'm in New York and all of a sudden I see these articles all of a sudden I see these articles all of a sudden I see these articles like you know the Amazon's burning worse like you know the Amazon's burning worse like you know the Amazon's burning worse this year than it was last year and blah

this year than it was last year and blah this year than it was last year and blah blah blah and I was like this you know blah blah and I was like this you know blah blah and I was like this you know fucking and I threw it up on Instagram fucking and I threw it up on Instagram fucking and I threw it up on Instagram like eight o'clock at night like eight o'clock at night like eight o'clock at night and I'd never like I'd never cursed on and I'd never like I'd never cursed on and I'd never like I'd never cursed on Instagram I don't know you know why I Instagram I don't know you know why I Instagram I don't know you know why I just never did and I my phone was on 100 just never did and I my phone was on 100 just never did and I my phone was on 100 and I put on top of the refrigerator and and I put on top of the refrigerator and and I put on top of the refrigerator and I went to bed I woke up in the morning I went to bed I woke up in the morning I went to bed I woke up in the morning and my phone was on the floor on two and my phone was on the floor on two and my phone was on the floor on two percent and it was ringing off the hook percent and it was ringing off the hook percent and it was ringing off the hook and it was like the news and they're and it was like the news and they're and it was like the news and they're like are you the guy that posted that like are you the guy that posted that like are you the guy that posted that viral video about the Amazon and I was viral video about the Amazon and I was viral video about the Amazon and I was like what yeah and that was the start like what yeah and that was the start like what yeah and that was the start that's where it broke and that's where that's where it broke and that's where that's where it broke and that's where we went from Barefoot in the Amazon to we went from Barefoot in the Amazon to we went from Barefoot in the Amazon to you know all of a sudden you know I was you know all of a sudden you know I was you know all of a sudden you know I was talking head for three weeks and going talking head for three weeks and going talking head for three weeks and going around on all these news stations and around on all these news stations and around on all these news stations and all of a sudden I was like the all of a sudden I was like the all of a sudden I was like the spokesperson for the Amazon and JJ's spokesperson for the Amazon and JJ's spokesperson for the Amazon and JJ's calling me and he was like go go go go calling me and he was like go go go go calling me and he was like go go go go go go like get us get us that support go go like get us get us that support go go like get us get us that support and it was just and it was just and it was just um um um you know so so communicating with people you know so so communicating with people you know so so communicating with people and bringing them into that reality and and bringing them into that reality and and bringing them into that reality and whether it's you know Rhino poaching and whether it's you know Rhino poaching and whether it's you know Rhino poaching and elephant poaching or the Amazon being elephant poaching or the Amazon being elephant poaching or the Amazon being destroyed it's like to me it's like destroyed it's like to me it's like destroyed it's like to me it's like being able to to to take people into being able to to to take people into being able to to to take people into that is is something that I would love that is is something that I would love that is is something that I would love to do yeah and you do it directly with to do yeah and you do it directly with to do yeah and you do it directly with authenticity on your Instagram people authenticity on your Instagram people authenticity on your Instagram people should definitely follow your Instagram should definitely follow your Instagram should definitely follow your Instagram I think I think Rogan follows your I think I think Rogan follows your I think I think Rogan follows your Instagram too well the end of that story Instagram too well the end of that story Instagram too well the end of that story actually kind of involves him because actually kind of involves him because actually kind of involves him because yeah because because I went to all these yeah because because I went to all these yeah because because I went to all these news outlets and I was living in green news outlets and I was living in green news outlets and I was living in green rooms and traveling around and I was all rooms and traveling around and I was all rooms and traveling around and I was all strung out and I hadn't seen anybody I strung out and I hadn't seen anybody I strung out and I hadn't seen anybody I actually know in a few weeks which was actually know in a few weeks which was actually know in a few weeks which was starting to get to me and I finally got starting to get to me and I finally got starting to get to me and I finally got home and I went to like a family party home and I went to like a family party home and I went to like a family party and everyone's like dude you've been

and everyone's like dude you've been and everyone's like dude you've been it's been crazy and I was like yup and it's been crazy and I was like yup and it's been crazy and I was like yup and then I left and my cousin Michael calls then I left and my cousin Michael calls then I left and my cousin Michael calls me and he's screaming and I'm going what me and he's screaming and I'm going what me and he's screaming and I'm going what what what what and he goes Joe Rogan what what what and he goes Joe Rogan what what what and he goes Joe Rogan just shared it Joe Rogan you shared it just shared it Joe Rogan you shared it just shared it Joe Rogan you shared it oh nice and everyone was losing their oh nice and everyone was losing their oh nice and everyone was losing their shit and it was so amazing and it was shit and it was so amazing and it was shit and it was so amazing and it was like like like yeah that's when it really took off and yeah that's when it really took off and yeah that's when it really took off and what happened as a result of all of this what happened as a result of all of this what happened as a result of all of this is that a Canadian entrepreneur who is that a Canadian entrepreneur who is that a Canadian entrepreneur who started light speed started light speed started light speed um reached out and uh several months um reached out and uh several months um reached out and uh several months later after covid after that boom later after covid after that boom later after covid after that boom you know I've been in the game for maybe you know I've been in the game for maybe you know I've been in the game for maybe 13 years or something had no money no 13 years or something had no money no 13 years or something had no money no savings no job no nothing and after that savings no job no nothing and after that savings no job no nothing and after that great publicity thing great publicity thing great publicity thing nothing happened nothing happened nothing happened the waves came and everything got real the waves came and everything got real the waves came and everything got real exciting everybody reached out and they exciting everybody reached out and they exciting everybody reached out and they said we care so much said we care so much said we care so much nothing happened though you know we can nothing happened though you know we can nothing happened though you know we can run into battle but if we don't have our run into battle but if we don't have our run into battle but if we don't have our arrows in the quiver arrows in the quiver arrows in the quiver what can we do what can we do what can we do and I actually I made a phone call to my and I actually I made a phone call to my and I actually I made a phone call to my friend mohsen right at the start of friend mohsen right at the start of friend mohsen right at the start of covid and I was going through divorce covid and I was going through divorce covid and I was going through divorce and I was broke and I was broke and I was broke and I said and I said and I said I'm gonna get a job I'm gonna get a job I'm gonna get a job I said I give up I said I give up I said I give up so this is stupid I said the ecotourism so this is stupid I said the ecotourism so this is stupid I said the ecotourism business is done jungle Keepers has business is done jungle Keepers has business is done jungle Keepers has dried up dried up dried up we're done and then this guy daxed a we're done and then this guy daxed a we're done and then this guy daxed a Silva called me on the phone and said Silva called me on the phone and said Silva called me on the phone and said listen I'm in what what do we got to do listen I'm in what what do we got to do listen I'm in what what do we got to do and so if if the analogy was me and JJ and so if if the analogy was me and JJ and so if if the analogy was me and JJ and a few other people trying to hold and a few other people trying to hold and a few other people trying to hold this Boulder back from just destroying this Boulder back from just destroying this Boulder back from just destroying the rainforest all of a sudden Dax comes the rainforest all of a sudden Dax comes the rainforest all of a sudden Dax comes in like a Titan and just puts his arm in like a Titan and just puts his arm in like a Titan and just puts his arm out and just goes I'm gonna help out and just goes I'm gonna help out and just goes I'm gonna help and he gave us the funding to start and he gave us the funding to start and he gave us the funding to start actually developing a ranger program to

actually developing a ranger program to actually developing a ranger program to start actually bringing loggers to be start actually bringing loggers to be start actually bringing loggers to be Protectors of the forest to be Protectors of the forest to be Protectors of the forest to be supporting smaller conservation things supporting smaller conservation things supporting smaller conservation things and now we're protecting 50 000 Acres of and now we're protecting 50 000 Acres of and now we're protecting 50 000 Acres of rainforest we're protecting entire rainforest we're protecting entire rainforest we're protecting entire streams and ecosystems that I love and streams and ecosystems that I love and streams and ecosystems that I love and we're soon going to double that and it's we're soon going to double that and it's we're soon going to double that and it's like this this whole thing so like this this whole thing so like this this whole thing so um yeah the the the the the um yeah the the the the the um yeah the the the the the communication of these things is crucial communication of these things is crucial communication of these things is crucial and I actually think it's incredible and I actually think it's incredible and I actually think it's incredible that that social media has played such a that that social media has played such a that that social media has played such a big role in it well I mean uh just just big role in it well I mean uh just just big role in it well I mean uh just just because I I know Joe well and I love him because I I know Joe well and I love him because I I know Joe well and I love him so much I I definitely think so much I I definitely think so much I I definitely think um you should do his podcast but also um you should do his podcast but also um you should do his podcast but also just be friends with him I think you just be friends with him I think you just be friends with him I think you guys guys guys um he's one you know not the meme but um he's one you know not the meme but um he's one you know not the meme but he's one with nature and not much more he's one with nature and not much more he's one with nature and not much more with the I'm one while I do appreciate with the I'm one while I do appreciate with the I'm one while I do appreciate and love nature I also love and love nature I also love and love nature I also love um technology I know yeah and robots and um technology I know yeah and robots and um technology I know yeah and robots and so on so we're in that Meme type of way so on so we're in that Meme type of way so on so we're in that Meme type of way we're very very different but well we're very very different but well we're very very different but well either way at some point make sure you either way at some point make sure you either way at some point make sure you tell the guy thank you because it tell the guy thank you because it tell the guy thank you because it definitely really helped push us over definitely really helped push us over definitely really helped push us over that that limit where you know if enough that that limit where you know if enough that that limit where you know if enough people see it you get someone like Dax people see it you get someone like Dax people see it you get someone like Dax who who who says I can help and I have who who who says I can help and I have who who who says I can help and I have the resources to help the resources to help the resources to help and that and that changed our whole and that and that changed our whole and that and that changed our whole lives She's Everything back to the Jungle back to the Jungle uh you had a bunch of interactions with uh you had a bunch of interactions with uh you had a bunch of interactions with Jaguars how are you still alive like Jaguars how are you still alive like Jaguars how are you still alive like what man dude Jax Jags aren't the Jags what man dude Jax Jags aren't the Jags what man dude Jax Jags aren't the Jags I'll tell you this Jags are not the I'll tell you this Jags are not the I'll tell you this Jags are not the danger the falling trees are the danger

danger the falling trees are the danger danger the falling trees are the danger uh I'll tell you some elephant stories uh I'll tell you some elephant stories uh I'll tell you some elephant stories and then you'll then you'll then you'll and then you'll then you'll then you'll and then you'll then you'll then you'll wonder why I'm still alive but wonder why I'm still alive but wonder why I'm still alive but um Jags I've I've just one you know so um Jags I've I've just one you know so um Jags I've I've just one you know so JJ started and Santiago his dad started JJ started and Santiago his dad started JJ started and Santiago his dad started challenging me to do solos challenging me to do solos challenging me to do solos go out alone into the wild style go out alone into the wild style go out alone into the wild style you know I'd have a hammock a headlamp you know I'd have a hammock a headlamp you know I'd have a hammock a headlamp three days worth of food some fish hooks three days worth of food some fish hooks three days worth of food some fish hooks a machete that's it and so like one of a machete that's it and so like one of a machete that's it and so like one of the stories that that happened early on the stories that that happened early on the stories that that happened early on was I was out there and it was raining was I was out there and it was raining was I was out there and it was raining and I was lost and and I was lost and and I was lost and this is how we test your jungle this is how we test your jungle this is how we test your jungle knowledge can you survive out there do knowledge can you survive out there do knowledge can you survive out there do you know how to find food Have you you know how to find food Have you you know how to find food Have you listened to the things that we taught listened to the things that we taught listened to the things that we taught you and there was one night that I was you and there was one night that I was you and there was one night that I was in a hammock in a hammock in a hammock and a Jaguar came up and I was asleep and a Jaguar came up and I was asleep and a Jaguar came up and I was asleep when it happened and she came up right when it happened and she came up right when it happened and she came up right next to my head and she was and I could next to my head and she was and I could next to my head and she was and I could hear her smelling me hear her smelling me hear her smelling me and then my first instinct was to to to and then my first instinct was to to to and then my first instinct was to to to turn on my headlamp and just the sound turn on my headlamp and just the sound turn on my headlamp and just the sound of my arm moving against the the of my arm moving against the the of my arm moving against the the material material material and she just and she just and she just like she just right here I could feel like she just right here I could feel like she just right here I could feel her breath and I just laid there her breath and I just laid there her breath and I just laid there in the dark and that's one of those in the dark and that's one of those in the dark and that's one of those moments where you go you really learn a moments where you go you really learn a moments where you go you really learn a lot about yourself lot about yourself lot about yourself because I wasn't scared I I felt like I because I wasn't scared I I felt like I because I wasn't scared I I felt like I understood the intentions of the cat if understood the intentions of the cat if understood the intentions of the cat if she was hunting I'd already be dead she she was hunting I'd already be dead she she was hunting I'd already be dead she was curious and I was lost and I didn't was curious and I was lost and I didn't was curious and I was lost and I didn't know if I was ever going to get out of know if I was ever going to get out of know if I was ever going to get out of that jungle but what she did was that jungle but what she did was that jungle but what she did was energize me because it was an experience energize me because it was an experience energize me because it was an experience like the giant anaconda where I said like the giant anaconda where I said like the giant anaconda where I said this is so wild

this is so wild this is so wild that it's that it's so almost that it's that it's so almost that it's that it's so almost cinematically outside the realm of what cinematically outside the realm of what cinematically outside the realm of what I thought my life could be like I thought my life could be like I thought my life could be like that it made me like wait that it made me like wait that it made me like wait because the previous day I was lost because the previous day I was lost because the previous day I was lost tired confused kind of devastated tail tired confused kind of devastated tail tired confused kind of devastated tail between my legs after that between my legs after that between my legs after that I was like man you've been waiting for I was like man you've been waiting for I was like man you've been waiting for this your whole life this your whole life this your whole life go get it and I like woke up and I was go get it and I like woke up and I was go get it and I like woke up and I was like I am gonna navigate even though like I am gonna navigate even though like I am gonna navigate even though I've been in this swamp for three days I've been in this swamp for three days I've been in this swamp for three days I'm gonna find my way out of this swamp I'm gonna find my way out of this swamp I'm gonna find my way out of this swamp and like she just like breathed fire and like she just like breathed fire and like she just like breathed fire into me where it was like into me where it was like into me where it was like it was like if that's possible if I it was like if that's possible if I it was like if that's possible if I could be six inches away from a Jaguar's could be six inches away from a Jaguar's could be six inches away from a Jaguar's face face face then I got I got that energy from her so then I got I got that energy from her so then I got I got that energy from her so that you're able to start to really hear that you're able to start to really hear that you're able to start to really hear and feel the and feel the and feel the the jungle around you yeah that was uh the jungle around you yeah that was uh the jungle around you yeah that was uh that was a sign do you know what you're that was a sign do you know what you're that was a sign do you know what you're doing it really felt like a sign it doing it really felt like a sign it doing it really felt like a sign it really did how do you survive in a Solo really did how do you survive in a Solo really did how do you survive in a Solo solo hike Through the Jungle what what solo hike Through the Jungle what what solo hike Through the Jungle what what are the different components what are are the different components what are are the different components what are the different dangers so you said you the different dangers so you said you the different dangers so you said you had a hammock you had some food what had a hammock you had some food what had a hammock you had some food what kind of food by the way are we talking kind of food by the way are we talking kind of food by the way are we talking about uh nuts stuff that won't go bad about uh nuts stuff that won't go bad about uh nuts stuff that won't go bad because you can't so you can't really because you can't so you can't really because you can't so you can't really start a fire in the Amazon like I'm a start a fire in the Amazon like I'm a start a fire in the Amazon like I'm a good fight I mean I camp all over the good fight I mean I camp all over the good fight I mean I camp all over the place I'm a Wilderness guide starting a place I'm a Wilderness guide starting a place I'm a Wilderness guide starting a fire in the Amazon is futile in fact a fire in the Amazon is futile in fact a fire in the Amazon is futile in fact a lot of survival manuals will tell you lot of survival manuals will tell you lot of survival manuals will tell you don't do it because if you're really don't do it because if you're really don't do it because if you're really lost it'll break your spirit you're not lost it'll break your spirit you're not lost it'll break your spirit you're not going to be able to do it that's dark going to be able to do it that's dark going to be able to do it that's dark yeah they're like don't even try it yeah they're like don't even try it yeah they're like don't even try it um but you can still get like um but you can still get like um but you can still get like hypothermia from if you get wet and you hypothermia from if you get wet and you hypothermia from if you get wet and you lay out in the jungle you could you know lay out in the jungle you could you know lay out in the jungle you could you know you could still exposure can still get you could still exposure can still get you could still exposure can still get you so you want fire

you so you want fire you so you want fire um I even in the beginning I used to um I even in the beginning I used to um I even in the beginning I used to bring like Ramen noodles which is which bring like Ramen noodles which is which bring like Ramen noodles which is which is the nutritional is irrelevant and so is the nutritional is irrelevant and so is the nutritional is irrelevant and so I started bringing like nuts and then I started bringing like nuts and then I started bringing like nuts and then supplementing that with fish which supplementing that with fish which supplementing that with fish which forced me to become a very good forced me to become a very good forced me to become a very good fisherman and fisherman and fisherman and um now of course JJ knows that he can um now of course JJ knows that he can um now of course JJ knows that he can like they can cut certain roots and they like they can cut certain roots and they like they can cut certain roots and they bash it up and they put it in the Stream bash it up and they put it in the Stream bash it up and they put it in the Stream and the fish just float to the top and and the fish just float to the top and and the fish just float to the top and they take with so like he's got like they take with so like he's got like they take with so like he's got like he's got all the cheat codes yeah he's got all the cheat codes yeah he's got all the cheat codes yeah whereas like I'm sitting there with a whereas like I'm sitting there with a whereas like I'm sitting there with a hook and he's like he'll go now find hook and he's like he'll go now find hook and he's like he'll go now find bait and I go bait bait and I go bait bait and I go bait and the most competitive ecosystem on and the most competitive ecosystem on and the most competitive ecosystem on Earth good luck finding a worm you can't Earth good luck finding a worm you can't Earth good luck finding a worm you can't do it what does JJ do he takes the do it what does JJ do he takes the do it what does JJ do he takes the machete looks at his foot cuts a slug of machete looks at his foot cuts a slug of machete looks at his foot cuts a slug of callous off of his heel because he's got callous off of his heel because he's got callous off of his heel because he's got this thick rhino skin puts that on the this thick rhino skin puts that on the this thick rhino skin puts that on the hook hook hook catches a six-inch fish chops it in half catches a six-inch fish chops it in half catches a six-inch fish chops it in half puts it on a bigger and in 15 minutes puts it on a bigger and in 15 minutes puts it on a bigger and in 15 minutes he's got a four foot giant catfish that he's got a four foot giant catfish that he's got a four foot giant catfish that could feed a family of 16 and he's happy could feed a family of 16 and he's happy could feed a family of 16 and he's happy I'm sitting there and I'm like I'm gonna I'm sitting there and I'm like I'm gonna I'm sitting there and I'm like I'm gonna try to like stick a beetle on a on a try to like stick a beetle on a on a try to like stick a beetle on a on a fishing hook and like you know do you fishing hook and like you know do you fishing hook and like you know do you have just a line and a hook or is there have just a line and a hook or is there have just a line and a hook or is there a rod too just a line and a hook and a rod too just a line and a hook and a rod too just a line and a hook and then you you just chop a you just chop a then you you just chop a you just chop a then you you just chop a you just chop a rod and tie it to the you know you just rod and tie it to the you know you just rod and tie it to the you know you just chop a little sapling so are you still chop a little sapling so are you still chop a little sapling so are you still able to start a fire or no I like for able to start a fire or no I like for able to start a fire or no I like for the food that I bring to not be fire the food that I bring to not be fire the food that I bring to not be fire dependent sure and so if I have some dependent sure and so if I have some dependent sure and so if I have some nuts I can I can shove in a few enough nuts I can I can shove in a few enough nuts I can I can shove in a few enough calories to get me through the night or calories to get me through the night or calories to get me through the night or like and leave a fishing line out and like and leave a fishing line out and like and leave a fishing line out and there'll be something there in the there'll be something there in the there'll be something there in the morning morning morning um um um but yes I can start a fire but a lot of but yes I can start a fire but a lot of but yes I can start a fire but a lot of times what I'll do is I'll bring a flask times what I'll do is I'll bring a flask times what I'll do is I'll bring a flask and not with like alcohol but with

and not with like alcohol but with and not with like alcohol but with diesel and so you have a tuna can and diesel and so you have a tuna can and diesel and so you have a tuna can and you put the diesel this is what the you put the diesel this is what the you put the diesel this is what the local guys do everything I do you know local guys do everything I do you know local guys do everything I do you know I'm sure there's going to be someone I'm sure there's going to be someone I'm sure there's going to be someone listening to this like how could you do listening to this like how could you do listening to this like how could you do that and it's like yeah this is what we that and it's like yeah this is what we that and it's like yeah this is what we do down there sorry uh it's a it's a do down there sorry uh it's a it's a do down there sorry uh it's a it's a tuna can you pour a little bit of diesel tuna can you pour a little bit of diesel tuna can you pour a little bit of diesel in it it burns slow you light it and you in it it burns slow you light it and you in it it burns slow you light it and you put your sticks you make your pyramid put your sticks you make your pyramid put your sticks you make your pyramid over that and eventually that will burn over that and eventually that will burn over that and eventually that will burn through the moisture and finally you'll through the moisture and finally you'll through the moisture and finally you'll get a very reluctant little fire enough get a very reluctant little fire enough get a very reluctant little fire enough to burn you know to make yourself like a to burn you know to make yourself like a to burn you know to make yourself like a cup of tea or to pour that into the cup of tea or to pour that into the cup of tea or to pour that into the noodles something noodles something noodles something something or you just eat a fish raw how something or you just eat a fish raw how something or you just eat a fish raw how important is it to stay dry is it important is it to stay dry is it important is it to stay dry is it basically impossible it's impossible to basically impossible it's impossible to basically impossible it's impossible to stay dry you're wet all the time you're stay dry you're wet all the time you're stay dry you're wet all the time you're wet all the time what does that mean wet all the time what does that mean wet all the time what does that mean that means infections are more efficient that means infections are more efficient that means infections are more efficient yeah yeah yeah um so yeah I don't know if you saw the um so yeah I don't know if you saw the um so yeah I don't know if you saw the picture in my book where I have the picture in my book where I have the picture in my book where I have the yellow spots yeah so yeah there's a yellow spots yeah so yeah there's a yellow spots yeah so yeah there's a picture picture picture with your like entire face consumed with with your like entire face consumed with with your like entire face consumed with yellow spots is basically I guess that's yellow spots is basically I guess that's yellow spots is basically I guess that's MRSA yep MRSA yep MRSA yep oh boy yeah uh so how did that happen oh boy yeah uh so how did that happen oh boy yeah uh so how did that happen what uh what was the infection like and what uh what was the infection like and what uh what was the infection like and um yeah and how crazy are you for um yeah and how crazy are you for um yeah and how crazy are you for letting that infection stay in you for letting that infection stay in you for letting that infection stay in you for for a long period of time without for a long period of time without for a long period of time without treating it or you had no choice no I I treating it or you had no choice no I I treating it or you had no choice no I I did have a choice I was 19 years old and did have a choice I was 19 years old and did have a choice I was 19 years old and I was taking care of a giant anteater I was taking care of a giant anteater I was taking care of a giant anteater that was orphaned and this is like my that was orphaned and this is like my that was orphaned and this is like my dream animal yeah and she was mine and dream animal yeah and she was mine and dream animal yeah and she was mine and my job was to teach her the jungle and my job was to teach her the jungle and my job was to teach her the jungle and so when I started like noticing that I so when I started like noticing that I so when I started like noticing that I had an infection and that I was I had I had an infection and that I was I had I had an infection and that I was I had I think I had Dengue at the time too I think I had Dengue at the time too I think I had Dengue at the time too I went back to town

went back to town went back to town probably picked up MRSA in the hospital probably picked up MRSA in the hospital probably picked up MRSA in the hospital where I got tested where I got tested where I got tested came back into the jungle and then got came back into the jungle and then got came back into the jungle and then got progressively sicker and sicker and progressively sicker and sicker and progressively sicker and sicker and weaker and weaker as I was two weeks weaker and weaker as I was two weeks weaker and weaker as I was two weeks three weeks in the jungle and it got to three weeks in the jungle and it got to three weeks in the jungle and it got to the point where my vision went black and the point where my vision went black and the point where my vision went black and white and I passed out one day and and I white and I passed out one day and and I white and I passed out one day and and I don't know why but at the time I had don't know why but at the time I had don't know why but at the time I had shaved that day shaved that day shaved that day and when I woke up the next morning I and when I woke up the next morning I and when I woke up the next morning I couldn't open my eyes because the the couldn't open my eyes because the the couldn't open my eyes because the the pus had come out of my eyes and out of pus had come out of my eyes and out of pus had come out of my eyes and out of my the pores in my face all those little my the pores in my face all those little my the pores in my face all those little micro cuts and the pillow was stuck to micro cuts and the pillow was stuck to micro cuts and the pillow was stuck to my face and my face and my face and I was stuck upriver with no help at 19 I was stuck upriver with no help at 19 I was stuck upriver with no help at 19 years old and also when you when you see years old and also when you when you see years old and also when you when you see that picture you can imagine that I that picture you can imagine that I that picture you can imagine that I assumed that my life was over because I assumed that my life was over because I assumed that my life was over because I didn't know what it was and I also didn't know what it was and I also didn't know what it was and I also didn't assume that or at the very least didn't assume that or at the very least didn't assume that or at the very least I figured I'd be disfigured the rest of I figured I'd be disfigured the rest of I figured I'd be disfigured the rest of my life I didn't think there was any my life I didn't think there was any my life I didn't think there was any getting better from that getting better from that getting better from that and so I remember sitting by the side of and so I remember sitting by the side of and so I remember sitting by the side of the river praying that a boat would come the river praying that a boat would come the river praying that a boat would come by but it was the rainy season there by but it was the rainy season there by but it was the rainy season there aren't going to be any boats because the aren't going to be any boats because the aren't going to be any boats because the river is psychotic river is psychotic river is psychotic um and so um and so um and so it was a long time before I got back to it was a long time before I got back to it was a long time before I got back to town and I didn't want to leave the town and I didn't want to leave the town and I didn't want to leave the anteater but it became like I was like I anteater but it became like I was like I anteater but it became like I was like I realized I was dying realized I was dying realized I was dying and then I finally got a boat and then I finally got a boat and then I finally got a boat with some loggers a death boat just with some loggers a death boat just with some loggers a death boat just loaded with these guys were had had gone loaded with these guys were had had gone loaded with these guys were had had gone into the jungle and shot everything they into the jungle and shot everything they into the jungle and shot everything they could and taken all the babies and they could and taken all the babies and they could and taken all the babies and they were gonna go sell them and so it was were gonna go sell them and so it was were gonna go sell them and so it was like baby monkeys and toucans and birds like baby monkeys and toucans and birds like baby monkeys and toucans and birds and cages and pieces of crocodiles and and cages and pieces of crocodiles and and cages and pieces of crocodiles and Anaconda skins and jaguar skins rolled Anaconda skins and jaguar skins rolled Anaconda skins and jaguar skins rolled up and it was just like I was just up and it was just like I was just up and it was just like I was just laying there with all these dead animals laying there with all these dead animals laying there with all these dead animals in the boat with all the Flies on my

in the boat with all the Flies on my in the boat with all the Flies on my face and face and face and got back to the hotel called my mother got back to the hotel called my mother got back to the hotel called my mother said please book me a flight out like said please book me a flight out like said please book me a flight out like today like today and then I sat on the today like today and then I sat on the today like today and then I sat on the plane and somebody somebody sat next to plane and somebody somebody sat next to plane and somebody somebody sat next to me on the plane and I had a hood on and me on the plane and I had a hood on and me on the plane and I had a hood on and I do I do remember that in my in the I do I do remember that in my in the I do I do remember that in my in the haze at this point I was having trouble haze at this point I was having trouble haze at this point I was having trouble staying conscious but I do remember that staying conscious but I do remember that staying conscious but I do remember that she like looked over like trying to see she like looked over like trying to see she like looked over like trying to see what was sitting next to her and then what was sitting next to her and then what was sitting next to her and then she got up and never came back she got up and never came back she got up and never came back and when I got to to immigration in New and when I got to to immigration in New and when I got to to immigration in New York you know the cop where he like York you know the cop where he like York you know the cop where he like takes my passport and he goes yeah he takes my passport and he goes yeah he takes my passport and he goes yeah he goes so what were you doing in Peru he's goes so what were you doing in Peru he's goes so what were you doing in Peru he's looking down and he goes yeah and he looking down and he goes yeah and he looking down and he goes yeah and he like holds up the passport looks at the like holds up the passport looks at the like holds up the passport looks at the password looks at my face he goes Bo password looks at my face he goes Bo password looks at my face he goes Bo buddy what the fuck and I said no that's buddy what the fuck and I said no that's buddy what the fuck and I said no that's what I was like I'm trying to get home what I was like I'm trying to get home what I was like I'm trying to get home to go to the hospital he goes He stamps to go to the hospital he goes He stamps to go to the hospital he goes He stamps it he goes go go go go go God bless God it he goes go go go go go God bless God it he goes go go go go go God bless God bless he's like oh shit yeah and then bless he's like oh shit yeah and then bless he's like oh shit yeah and then they put me in the room in the hospital they put me in the room in the hospital they put me in the room in the hospital with like the hazmat suits and they with like the hazmat suits and they with like the hazmat suits and they didn't know what it was and I spent like didn't know what it was and I spent like didn't know what it was and I spent like five days on IV antibiotics with like five days on IV antibiotics with like five days on IV antibiotics with like four different things running through my four different things running through my four different things running through my veins and the the doctors were like veins and the the doctors were like veins and the the doctors were like Don't Let It Go that close they're like Don't Let It Go that close they're like Don't Let It Go that close they're like you went real close on that one yeah you went real close on that one yeah you went real close on that one yeah that's what that picture I mean people that's what that picture I mean people that's what that picture I mean people should uh check out the book just to see should uh check out the book just to see should uh check out the book just to see the picture because I imagine you just the picture because I imagine you just the picture because I imagine you just laying there unable to see have a fever laying there unable to see have a fever laying there unable to see have a fever probably so you're like half probably so you're like half probably so you're like half hallucinating yep hallucinating yep hallucinating yep and uh there's no there's no boat and uh there's no there's no boat and uh there's no there's no boat there's no no way out there's no help there's no no way out there's no help there's no no way out there's no help coming coming coming um plus there is this creature who um plus there is this creature who um plus there is this creature who you've become a parent of yeah that you you've become a parent of yeah that you you've become a parent of yeah that you love yeah love yeah love yeah boy that's a dark place to be as a 19

boy that's a dark place to be as a 19 boy that's a dark place to be as a 19 year old I mean most people have never year old I mean most people have never year old I mean most people have never will never be in a place like that like will never be in a place like that like will never be in a place like that like where did you find strength in that in where did you find strength in that in where did you find strength in that in those in that place I don't know I just those in that place I don't know I just those in that place I don't know I just remember writing like a goodbye letter remember writing like a goodbye letter remember writing like a goodbye letter to my parents because I said if I die to my parents because I said if I die to my parents because I said if I die out here it was really dark like it was out here it was really dark like it was out here it was really dark like it was it was it was terrifying it really felt it was it was terrifying it really felt it was it was terrifying it really felt like it was the end like it was the end like it was the end and I was writing you know if you find and I was writing you know if you find and I was writing you know if you find me out here I'm sorry and all that all me out here I'm sorry and all that all me out here I'm sorry and all that all that type of stuff and it was you know that type of stuff and it was you know that type of stuff and it was you know um I don't know about strength there was um I don't know about strength there was um I don't know about strength there was no strength it was just like move no strength it was just like move no strength it was just like move forward and at some point it was like if forward and at some point it was like if forward and at some point it was like if you'll take me down river take me down you'll take me down river take me down you'll take me down river take me down river you know and river you know and river you know and you just got lucky with the loggers with you just got lucky with the loggers with you just got lucky with the loggers with the death boat yeah that they found you the death boat yeah that they found you the death boat yeah that they found you uh well how did the infection start by uh well how did the infection start by uh well how did the infection start by the way I don't know I really don't know the way I don't know I really don't know the way I don't know I really don't know I mean we always have some sort of I mean we always have some sort of I mean we always have some sort of little shit but the thing is now JJ little shit but the thing is now JJ little shit but the thing is now JJ taught me that there's like three taught me that there's like three taught me that there's like three different trees that can cure infections different trees that can cure infections different trees that can cure infections I didn't know this at the time I didn't I didn't know this at the time I didn't I didn't know this at the time I didn't know the cheat codes now there's there's know the cheat codes now there's there's know the cheat codes now there's there's if you have a small infection you can if you have a small infection you can if you have a small infection you can use Sangre de Drago and it'll it'll cure use Sangre de Drago and it'll it'll cure use Sangre de Drago and it'll it'll cure it right away like let's say you have a it right away like let's say you have a it right away like let's say you have a bot fly and it gets a little pussy bot fly and it gets a little pussy bot fly and it gets a little pussy there's a fly living in your skin you there's a fly living in your skin you there's a fly living in your skin you put that on there not only will it kill put that on there not only will it kill put that on there not only will it kill the fly but it'll heal the infection now the fly but it'll heal the infection now the fly but it'll heal the infection now if you have a worse infection you can go if you have a worse infection you can go if you have a worse infection you can go to oh hey which is Ficus insipida and to oh hey which is Ficus insipida and to oh hey which is Ficus insipida and you can use that and that will you can use that and that will you can use that and that will completely heal that will murder it's completely heal that will murder it's completely heal that will murder it's like crocodile blood it will murder like crocodile blood it will murder like crocodile blood it will murder infections so like forget Neosporin infections so like forget Neosporin infections so like forget Neosporin that's a joke these are heavy chemical that's a joke these are heavy chemical that's a joke these are heavy chemical compounds running through these trees compounds running through these trees compounds running through these trees and they know all about them and so and they know all about them and so and they know all about them and so whatever it is so now at this point whatever it is so now at this point whatever it is so now at this point that's no longer an issue like because that's no longer an issue like because that's no longer an issue like because we know how to handle it which at that we know how to handle it which at that we know how to handle it which at that time if JJ had been there I would have

time if JJ had been there I would have time if JJ had been there I would have been fine well learn the hard way so been fine well learn the hard way so been fine well learn the hard way so these are open wounds and then there's these are open wounds and then there's these are open wounds and then there's creatures that start living in them is creatures that start living in them is creatures that start living in them is basically what is it well that's basically what is it well that's basically what is it well that's separate that's bot flies yeah there's separate that's bot flies yeah there's separate that's bot flies yeah there's there's a there's a creature that there's a there's a creature that there's a there's a creature that unfortunately very very very unfortunately very very very unfortunately very very very unfortunately unfortunately unfortunately um likes to make its home inside the um likes to make its home inside the um likes to make its home inside the Flesh of mammals yeah and so the Flies Flesh of mammals yeah and so the Flies Flesh of mammals yeah and so the Flies attach their eggs to mosquitoes the attach their eggs to mosquitoes the attach their eggs to mosquitoes the mosquitoes go and seek out warm-blooded mosquitoes go and seek out warm-blooded mosquitoes go and seek out warm-blooded animals the eggs microscopic eggs fall animals the eggs microscopic eggs fall animals the eggs microscopic eggs fall into your skin and then begin to grow into your skin and then begin to grow into your skin and then begin to grow and sooner or later you feel a twitch and sooner or later you feel a twitch and sooner or later you feel a twitch and it's a worm living inside of you and it's a worm living inside of you and it's a worm living inside of you that's like vertical down in you and that's like vertical down in you and that's like vertical down in you and it's it's eating you yeah and at first it's it's eating you yeah and at first it's it's eating you yeah and at first it's not a problem but when they get to it's not a problem but when they get to it's not a problem but when they get to about as thick as that pen about as thick as that pen about as thick as that pen it starts to hurt because you got a hole it starts to hurt because you got a hole it starts to hurt because you got a hole in you and they have a little breathing in you and they have a little breathing in you and they have a little breathing tube that comes up and they breathe and tube that comes up and they breathe and tube that comes up and they breathe and they go back in and then they eat and they go back in and then they eat and they go back in and then they eat and they come back up to breathe and you they come back up to breathe and you they come back up to breathe and you have a you have a friend living in you have a you have a friend living in you have a you have a friend living in you yeah yeah yeah um and if you've had one of those I've um and if you've had one of those I've um and if you've had one of those I've had lots of those it's tough to take had lots of those it's tough to take had lots of those it's tough to take them out them out them out they have hooks how do you do you have to how do you do you have to love the junkies so how do you take it love the junkies so how do you take it love the junkies so how do you take it out to come yeah 100 uh you gotta you out to come yeah 100 uh you gotta you out to come yeah 100 uh you gotta you gotta put an irritant so like a lot of gotta put an irritant so like a lot of gotta put an irritant so like a lot of times what we'll do down there is some times what we'll do down there is some times what we'll do down there is some someone will someone will someone will take a massive drag of a cigarette and take a massive drag of a cigarette and take a massive drag of a cigarette and then you know spit the they'll they'll then you know spit the they'll they'll then you know spit the they'll they'll powers like exhale and get some of the powers like exhale and get some of the powers like exhale and get some of the some of the tar which also shows you how some of the tar which also shows you how some of the tar which also shows you how much tar you get out of a cigarette and much tar you get out of a cigarette and much tar you get out of a cigarette and then with a knife and you put that right then with a knife and you put that right then with a knife and you put that right over the hole and then uh you slap some

over the hole and then uh you slap some over the hole and then uh you slap some Vaseline or something on top of it so Vaseline or something on top of it so Vaseline or something on top of it so they can't breathe and eventually over they can't breathe and eventually over they can't breathe and eventually over the course of a few hours they'll come the course of a few hours they'll come the course of a few hours they'll come up enough looking for air and then you up enough looking for air and then you up enough looking for air and then you got to grab them with a tweezer and try got to grab them with a tweezer and try got to grab them with a tweezer and try not to rip them because then you're not to rip them because then you're not to rip them because then you're gonna get an infection and you gotta gonna get an infection and you gotta gonna get an infection and you gotta squeeze from the it's a whole ceremony squeeze from the it's a whole ceremony squeeze from the it's a whole ceremony when people have bought flies we're all when people have bought flies we're all when people have bought flies we're all like oh it's bot fly time let's go and like oh it's bot fly time let's go and like oh it's bot fly time let's go and then like JJ will squeeze he's got like then like JJ will squeeze he's got like then like JJ will squeeze he's got like pliers for thumbs yeah he can like take pliers for thumbs yeah he can like take pliers for thumbs yeah he can like take a piece of your neck and you think he's a piece of your neck and you think he's a piece of your neck and you think he's going to break your skin he'll just going to break your skin he'll just going to break your skin he'll just squeeze until this thing comes out squeeze until this thing comes out squeeze until this thing comes out and you don't uh yeah I guess there's an and you don't uh yeah I guess there's an and you don't uh yeah I guess there's an open wound right there and yeah you open wound right there and yeah you open wound right there and yeah you don't want to bathe for a day or two don't want to bathe for a day or two don't want to bathe for a day or two after until that closes because after until that closes because after until that closes because otherwise you're gonna have like water otherwise you're gonna have like water otherwise you're gonna have like water sloshing around in like a little pocket sloshing around in like a little pocket sloshing around in like a little pocket of yours is kind of gross and that water of yours is kind of gross and that water of yours is kind of gross and that water might have other organisms in it water might have other organisms in it water might have other organisms in it water in your skin tends to yeah I mean the in your skin tends to yeah I mean the in your skin tends to yeah I mean the jungle water's clean we drink it like I jungle water's clean we drink it like I jungle water's clean we drink it like I drink the water fresh out of the stream drink the water fresh out of the stream drink the water fresh out of the stream oh that's interesting well it's just a oh that's interesting well it's just a oh that's interesting well it's just a giant filtration system all those roots giant filtration system all those roots giant filtration system all those roots the whole jungle is constantly purifying the whole jungle is constantly purifying the whole jungle is constantly purifying everything people might be thinking everything people might be thinking everything people might be thinking about that with the jungle there's about that with the jungle there's about that with the jungle there's insects probably all over you all the insects probably all over you all the insects probably all over you all the time time time it's not as bad as you think like I've it's not as bad as you think like I've it's not as bad as you think like I've been to to to to Finland Lapland in the been to to to to Finland Lapland in the been to to to to Finland Lapland in the summer and the mosquitoes are horrendous summer and the mosquitoes are horrendous summer and the mosquitoes are horrendous like devastating the Amazon in in our like devastating the Amazon in in our like devastating the Amazon in in our area if you're sitting in a hammock area if you're sitting in a hammock area if you're sitting in a hammock reading a book reading a book reading a book out you know our research Stations don't out you know our research Stations don't out you know our research Stations don't have walls or anything have walls or anything have walls or anything um you're good for about one one um you're good for about one one um you're good for about one one mosquito every half hour which really is mosquito every half hour which really is mosquito every half hour which really is not a lot I mean it's worse in New not a lot I mean it's worse in New not a lot I mean it's worse in New Jersey like Jersey like Jersey like it's really not that bad tell me a it's really not that bad tell me a it's really not that bad tell me a little more about the the little baby

little more about the the little baby little more about the the little baby anteater Lulu they use who you've anteater Lulu they use who you've anteater Lulu they use who you've rescued and had to sadly leave behind rescued and had to sadly leave behind rescued and had to sadly leave behind yeah I just was always fascinated with yeah I just was always fascinated with yeah I just was always fascinated with giant anteaters or this you know German giant anteaters or this you know German giant anteaters or this you know German Shepherd sized Shepherd sized Shepherd sized thing with Wolverine claws and these thing with Wolverine claws and these thing with Wolverine claws and these giant Popeye forearms and they excavate giant Popeye forearms and they excavate giant Popeye forearms and they excavate ant and Termite mounds and they have ant and Termite mounds and they have ant and Termite mounds and they have this long tongue this long tongue this long tongue and their babies right on their back for and their babies right on their back for and their babies right on their back for the first six months of their lives and the first six months of their lives and the first six months of their lives and so they actually have this incredibly so they actually have this incredibly so they actually have this incredibly intimate relationship with their young intimate relationship with their young intimate relationship with their young and it just so happens that this animal and it just so happens that this animal and it just so happens that this animal that I was wildly fascinated with that I was wildly fascinated with that I was wildly fascinated with there was an orphan on the river and JJ there was an orphan on the river and JJ there was an orphan on the river and JJ was like you love these things and I was was like you love these things and I was was like you love these things and I was like yeah and so he went and he was like like yeah and so he went and he was like like yeah and so he went and he was like hey my friend you should he got he got hey my friend you should he got he got hey my friend you should he got he got me the the baby and we were like we're me the the baby and we were like we're me the the baby and we were like we're gonna rewild her and so I spent like gonna rewild her and so I spent like gonna rewild her and so I spent like weeks and weeks and weeks just like with weeks and weeks and weeks just like with weeks and weeks and weeks just like with this thing on my back crawling through this thing on my back crawling through this thing on my back crawling through the jungle teaching her to find Ants the jungle teaching her to find Ants the jungle teaching her to find Ants giving her milk falling asleep with her giving her milk falling asleep with her giving her milk falling asleep with her on my chest and their their tongue is on my chest and their their tongue is on my chest and their their tongue is like 11 inches long at that age and so like 11 inches long at that age and so like 11 inches long at that age and so she when she wanted me to wake up she'd she when she wanted me to wake up she'd she when she wanted me to wake up she'd fire it up my nose and come out my mouth fire it up my nose and come out my mouth fire it up my nose and come out my mouth and she'd and then if I tried to get her and she'd and then if I tried to get her and she'd and then if I tried to get her off me quick she'd stick the claws in off me quick she'd stick the claws in off me quick she'd stick the claws in and you know all my clothes I have like and you know all my clothes I have like and you know all my clothes I have like I have old like you know now they're I have old like you know now they're I have old like you know now they're like you know like Museum pieces with like you know like Museum pieces with like you know like Museum pieces with rips in them from from Lulu's claws was rips in them from from Lulu's claws was rips in them from from Lulu's claws was able to also communicate emotion and able to also communicate emotion and able to also communicate emotion and feeling and all that she needed it she feeling and all that she needed it she feeling and all that she needed it she needed it so if this animal didn't have needed it so if this animal didn't have needed it so if this animal didn't have the physical touch if we didn't if I the physical touch if we didn't if I the physical touch if we didn't if I didn't hold her all day long she throw didn't hold her all day long she throw didn't hold her all day long she throw Tantrums she'd go shred something she'd Tantrums she'd go shred something she'd Tantrums she'd go shred something she'd go pull down the curtain she'd go ruin go pull down the curtain she'd go ruin go pull down the curtain she'd go ruin the woods just should start literally the woods just should start literally the woods just should start literally having a traumatic response to not

having a traumatic response to not having a traumatic response to not having intimacy having intimacy having intimacy which was shocking because again on the which was shocking because again on the which was shocking because again on the scale of a cockroach to an elephant you scale of a cockroach to an elephant you scale of a cockroach to an elephant you go go go I didn't know that giant and theaters I didn't know that giant and theaters I didn't know that giant and theaters had such intense emotions like had such intense emotions like had such intense emotions like but she did and we we you know and also but she did and we we you know and also but she did and we we you know and also taking care of her forced me to taking care of her forced me to taking care of her forced me to to explore the jungle from the to explore the jungle from the to explore the jungle from the perspective of an animal perspective of an animal perspective of an animal so I got to like be an animal so I got to like be an animal so I got to like be an animal and so there's only a few times in your and so there's only a few times in your and so there's only a few times in your life in my life where I've gotten to do life in my life where I've gotten to do life in my life where I've gotten to do that you know one was with her another that you know one was with her another that you know one was with her another time was living with a herd of elephants time was living with a herd of elephants time was living with a herd of elephants where I had to walk with them through where I had to walk with them through where I had to walk with them through the forest and like see how they the forest and like see how they the forest and like see how they interacted interacted interacted completely natural and it's it's it's completely natural and it's it's it's completely natural and it's it's it's different it's very different and you different it's very different and you different it's very different and you realize like just like a person's public realize like just like a person's public realize like just like a person's public Persona when they're out on the street Persona when they're out on the street Persona when they're out on the street in Manhattan is going to be very in Manhattan is going to be very in Manhattan is going to be very different than when you're on the couch different than when you're on the couch different than when you're on the couch with them on a Tuesday night with them on a Tuesday night with them on a Tuesday night and and and with wild animals it's very and and and with wild animals it's very and and and with wild animals it's very much like that you know like if we see much like that you know like if we see much like that you know like if we see you see a bobcat on a trail and it's you see a bobcat on a trail and it's you see a bobcat on a trail and it's going to look at you and glare at you going to look at you and glare at you going to look at you and glare at you and then go off and it's like yeah but and then go off and it's like yeah but and then go off and it's like yeah but what's it like when it's in the den what's it like when it's in the den what's it like when it's in the den that's playing with its Cubs yeah so that's playing with its Cubs yeah so that's playing with its Cubs yeah so that when it's looking at you that's that when it's looking at you that's that when it's looking at you that's like the Instagram post it's making and like the Instagram post it's making and like the Instagram post it's making and the actual doctors yeah yeah so you've the actual doctors yeah yeah so you've the actual doctors yeah yeah so you've um besides Amazon you spent a lot of um besides Amazon you spent a lot of um besides Amazon you spent a lot of time in India uh can you uh tell me what time in India uh can you uh tell me what time in India uh can you uh tell me what you learned you learned you learned hanging out with a herd of elephants hanging out with a herd of elephants hanging out with a herd of elephants yeah what should uh what do people not yeah what should uh what do people not yeah what should uh what do people not understand about elephants that's that's understand about elephants that's that's understand about elephants that's that's beautiful to you that's interesting to beautiful to you that's interesting to beautiful to you that's interesting to you first of all I think that elephants

you first of all I think that elephants you first of all I think that elephants should have government representation as should have government representation as should have government representation as like a subset of society like actually like a subset of society like actually like a subset of society like actually they they have intelligence they are so they they have intelligence they are so they they have intelligence they are so intelligent and and when you look at an intelligent and and when you look at an intelligent and and when you look at an elephant so there's this question that elephant so there's this question that elephant so there's this question that keeps coming up of you know are we are keeps coming up of you know are we are keeps coming up of you know are we are we smart enough to know how smart we smart enough to know how smart we smart enough to know how smart animals are can can we can we interpret animals are can can we can we interpret animals are can can we can we interpret the intelligence that we're seeing the intelligence that we're seeing the intelligence that we're seeing and I've I've I've I lived with a and I've I've I've I lived with a and I've I've I've I lived with a semi-wild herd of elephants in India for semi-wild herd of elephants in India for semi-wild herd of elephants in India for a while and a while and a while and some of the things that I saw like some of the things that I saw like some of the things that I saw like changed how I view reality to be honest changed how I view reality to be honest changed how I view reality to be honest with you because with you because with you because you know you watch a matriarch of an you know you watch a matriarch of an you know you watch a matriarch of an elephant herd walk up to someone that elephant herd walk up to someone that elephant herd walk up to someone that none of us knew was pregnant none of us knew was pregnant none of us knew was pregnant and her trunk goes to her stomach and her trunk goes to her stomach and her trunk goes to her stomach and then she calls all the other ones and then she calls all the other ones and then she calls all the other ones over and they're interested in this over and they're interested in this over and they're interested in this little human that that they know that little human that that they know that little human that that they know that there's something in there and they're there's something in there and they're there's something in there and they're and they're all conversing about it and and they're all conversing about it and and they're all conversing about it and you go whoa you go whoa you go whoa or that every morning we'd wake up and or that every morning we'd wake up and or that every morning we'd wake up and the elephants didn't want the stream the elephants didn't want the stream the elephants didn't want the stream water they didn't want the lake water water they didn't want the lake water water they didn't want the lake water they want puddles they wanted the water they want puddles they wanted the water they want puddles they wanted the water from our well we had like a stone well from our well we had like a stone well from our well we had like a stone well you know like a traditional and every you know like a traditional and every you know like a traditional and every morning we'd like run out of bed because morning we'd like run out of bed because morning we'd like run out of bed because all the elephants were going to come and all the elephants were going to come and all the elephants were going to come and they were going to rip the bucket off they were going to rip the bucket off they were going to rip the bucket off and destroy everything but they wanted and destroy everything but they wanted and destroy everything but they wanted that nice cold clean water that nice cold clean water that nice cold clean water and so it was like caring for elephants and so it was like caring for elephants and so it was like caring for elephants that were wild they were sometimes that were wild they were sometimes that were wild they were sometimes getting shot at by Farmers because if getting shot at by Farmers because if getting shot at by Farmers because if they went to try and Rob some bananas so they went to try and Rob some bananas so they went to try and Rob some bananas so these are sort of like delinquent these are sort of like delinquent these are sort of like delinquent elephants that were half wild in the elephants that were half wild in the elephants that were half wild in the forest Department was thinking about you forest Department was thinking about you forest Department was thinking about you know getting rid of them which whatever know getting rid of them which whatever know getting rid of them which whatever that meant that meant that meant and uh and uh and uh I made really good friends with this one

I made really good friends with this one I made really good friends with this one elephant and his name was Dharma elephant and his name was Dharma elephant and his name was Dharma and uh Dharma had the had the the stuff and uh Dharma had the had the the stuff and uh Dharma had the had the the stuff doesn't this is It's hard to write the doesn't this is It's hard to write the doesn't this is It's hard to write the book I'm writing right now because none book I'm writing right now because none book I'm writing right now because none of it sounds real he grew up around of it sounds real he grew up around of it sounds real he grew up around people because he was a tuskless male so people because he was a tuskless male so people because he was a tuskless male so he couldn't hang out with the females he couldn't hang out with the females he couldn't hang out with the females because he was a grown-up male and he because he was a grown-up male and he because he was a grown-up male and he couldn't hang out with the males the couldn't hang out with the males the couldn't hang out with the males the Bulls because he couldn't defend himself Bulls because he couldn't defend himself Bulls because he couldn't defend himself when they roughhoused and everything so when they roughhoused and everything so when they roughhoused and everything so Dharma would be like wandering around Dharma would be like wandering around Dharma would be like wandering around the forest not knowing who to hang out the forest not knowing who to hang out the forest not knowing who to hang out with with with and so like there was one night there and so like there was one night there and so like there was one night there was a tiger calling and we just heard was a tiger calling and we just heard was a tiger calling and we just heard you could hear it echoing over the hills you could hear it echoing over the hills you could hear it echoing over the hills and what does Dharma do 2 A.M we hear and what does Dharma do 2 A.M we hear and what does Dharma do 2 A.M we hear Dharma show up and he's the same thing Dharma show up and he's the same thing Dharma show up and he's the same thing he starts throwing a tantrum he starts he starts throwing a tantrum he starts he starts throwing a tantrum he starts pulling shit over he says takes a chair pulling shit over he says takes a chair pulling shit over he says takes a chair throws it throws it throws it we had bananas in the truck Dharma walks we had bananas in the truck Dharma walks we had bananas in the truck Dharma walks up to the truck it's like a Jeep he up to the truck it's like a Jeep he up to the truck it's like a Jeep he walks up to the Jeep smells it he looks walks up to the Jeep smells it he looks walks up to the Jeep smells it he looks at me and he's like you're gonna get out at me and he's like you're gonna get out at me and he's like you're gonna get out of bed I'm like no I'm not gonna get out of bed I'm like no I'm not gonna get out of bed I'm like no I'm not gonna get out of bed I was like Dharma you're a grown of bed I was like Dharma you're a grown of bed I was like Dharma you're a grown ass elephant the tiger does his thing ass elephant the tiger does his thing ass elephant the tiger does his thing again and he's like I need bananas to again and he's like I need bananas to again and he's like I need bananas to feel better yeah pushes the truck up on feel better yeah pushes the truck up on feel better yeah pushes the truck up on two two wheels oh wow looks at me two two wheels oh wow looks at me two two wheels oh wow looks at me is this how you want it to be so I'm up is this how you want it to be so I'm up is this how you want it to be so I'm up I'm up and I go and I'm like please I'm up and I go and I'm like please I'm up and I go and I'm like please please please please please please don't please please please please please don't please please please please please don't move I'm rubbing his face and he's like move I'm rubbing his face and he's like move I'm rubbing his face and he's like he puts it down he's like all right well he puts it down he's like all right well he puts it down he's like all right well then then hit me then then hit me then then hit me I didn't do it so he lifts it up again I didn't do it so he lifts it up again I didn't do it so he lifts it up again and so in the end there was no way for and so in the end there was no way for and so in the end there was no way for me to outsmart the elephant he wins yeah me to outsmart the elephant he wins yeah me to outsmart the elephant he wins yeah there's nothing I could do and so a lot there's nothing I could do and so a lot there's nothing I could do and so a lot of my job was taking him out into the of my job was taking him out into the of my job was taking him out into the forest and and you know spending a forest and and you know spending a forest and and you know spending a little bit of time with him I have this

little bit of time with him I have this little bit of time with him I have this beautiful beautiful beautiful one time I set up the tripod and I went one time I set up the tripod and I went one time I set up the tripod and I went and I was just I was just journaling and and I was just I was just journaling and and I was just I was just journaling and he would come and he would just like he would come and he would just like he would come and he would just like play with my hair and he'd be like hey play with my hair and he'd be like hey play with my hair and he'd be like hey what's up you know he just he wanted what's up you know he just he wanted what's up you know he just he wanted someone to to interact with on an someone to to interact with on an someone to to interact with on an emotional level emotional level emotional level and you know when you think about and you know when you think about and you know when you think about elephants in terms of the fact that you elephants in terms of the fact that you elephants in terms of the fact that you know people go oh you know they they use know people go oh you know they they use know people go oh you know they they use medication to induce labor it's like medication to induce labor it's like medication to induce labor it's like yeah that's not that surprising they yeah that's not that surprising they yeah that's not that surprising they they they hold the bones of the dead they they hold the bones of the dead they they hold the bones of the dead it's like yeah they have the best smell it's like yeah they have the best smell it's like yeah they have the best smell of pretty much any animal that's also of pretty much any animal that's also of pretty much any animal that's also not surprising they probably know not surprising they probably know not surprising they probably know exactly who that was that bone exactly who that was that bone exactly who that was that bone but they can navigate to water holes and but they can navigate to water holes and but they can navigate to water holes and communicate in ways that we cannot communicate in ways that we cannot communicate in ways that we cannot really figure out and so when you hear really figure out and so when you hear really figure out and so when you hear about people measuring out elephant about people measuring out elephant about people measuring out elephant intelligence intelligence intelligence you'll hear about scientists being like you'll hear about scientists being like you'll hear about scientists being like oh well we gave it a you know a bucket oh well we gave it a you know a bucket oh well we gave it a you know a bucket with a hole in it and then it had like a with a hole in it and then it had like a with a hole in it and then it had like a key and there was a rope and you're like key and there was a rope and you're like key and there was a rope and you're like bro this is all bro this is all bro this is all human stuff yeah can you go walking with human stuff yeah can you go walking with human stuff yeah can you go walking with them for three weeks in the wild and them for three weeks in the wild and them for three weeks in the wild and watch how they deal with the problems watch how they deal with the problems watch how they deal with the problems that they encounter in the forest that they encounter in the forest that they encounter in the forest and so elephants have become especially and so elephants have become especially and so elephants have become especially recently with the work that's been gone recently with the work that's been gone recently with the work that's been gone that I've been doing in Africa with that I've been doing in Africa with that I've been doing in Africa with betpaw betpaw betpaw um I've just become so fascinated with um I've just become so fascinated with um I've just become so fascinated with elephants and uh elephants and uh elephants and uh you know you know you know elephants the elephant the African elephants the elephant the African elephants the elephant the African elephant population right now is down at elephant population right now is down at elephant population right now is down at two percent of what it was a few hundred two percent of what it was a few hundred two percent of what it was a few hundred years ago were really we're really years ago were really we're really years ago were really we're really putting them on the brink of you know putting them on the brink of you know putting them on the brink of you know there's there's some elephants that are there's there's some elephants that are there's there's some elephants that are being born tuskless being born tuskless being born tuskless because we've because we've because we've poaching has taken down poaching has taken down poaching has taken down the great tuskers to the point where now

the great tuskers to the point where now the great tuskers to the point where now it's it's actually beneficial for some it's it's actually beneficial for some it's it's actually beneficial for some elephants to not have tusks because elephants to not have tusks because elephants to not have tusks because anyone have humans but that's that's anyone have humans but that's that's anyone have humans but that's that's like we've created deformed elephants like we've created deformed elephants like we've created deformed elephants and so like now I'm and so like now I'm and so like now I'm gotten very concerned with gotten very concerned with gotten very concerned with issues of elephants and tusks are issues of elephants and tusks are issues of elephants and tusks are fundamental to the interaction between fundamental to the interaction between fundamental to the interaction between elephants absolutely I mean with males elephants absolutely I mean with males elephants absolutely I mean with males compete with each other but also compete with each other but also compete with each other but also elephants use their tusks you know like elephants use their tusks you know like elephants use their tusks you know like they'll they'll break a branch and they'll they'll break a branch and they'll they'll break a branch and they'll be like this is a good Branch they'll be like this is a good Branch they'll be like this is a good Branch I'm going to eat the hell out of this I'm going to eat the hell out of this I'm going to eat the hell out of this and they'll like hang it on their Tusk and they'll like hang it on their Tusk and they'll like hang it on their Tusk and they'll like grab a bunch of other and they'll like grab a bunch of other and they'll like grab a bunch of other stuff they'll like hold it stuff they'll like hold it stuff they'll like hold it um you know ripping a tree up out of the um you know ripping a tree up out of the um you know ripping a tree up out of the ground I just watched it two weeks ago ground I just watched it two weeks ago ground I just watched it two weeks ago as as watching an elephant he got down as as watching an elephant he got down as as watching an elephant he got down on his knees and stuck his his Tusk into on his knees and stuck his his Tusk into on his knees and stuck his his Tusk into the ground and like leveraged up he like the ground and like leveraged up he like the ground and like leveraged up he like Archimedes to this root out of the Archimedes to this root out of the Archimedes to this root out of the ground and then was like that's a sweet ground and then was like that's a sweet ground and then was like that's a sweet root and when he left I went and I root and when he left I went and I root and when he left I went and I tasted the root and it was like sweet tasted the root and it was like sweet tasted the root and it was like sweet Ginger and I was like I have no idea Ginger and I was like I have no idea Ginger and I was like I have no idea what this is but he knew it was good did what this is but he knew it was good did what this is but he knew it was good did they use Tusk for sexual selection like they use Tusk for sexual selection like they use Tusk for sexual selection like to impress the ladies or no it's to impress the ladies or no it's to impress the ladies or no it's certainly involved in how who who has certainly involved in how who who has certainly involved in how who who has mating rights oh who wins who wins I mating rights oh who wins who wins I mating rights oh who wins who wins I mean if you got the big tusks and there mean if you got the big tusks and there mean if you got the big tusks and there are elephants out there like the mammoth are elephants out there like the mammoth are elephants out there like the mammoth big tuskers that have tusks down to the big tuskers that have tusks down to the big tuskers that have tusks down to the ground like huge and when you see them ground like huge and when you see them ground like huge and when you see them it's like seeing something unique on it's like seeing something unique on it's like seeing something unique on Earth Earth unique in history because Earth Earth unique in history because Earth Earth unique in history because we're at a point where we might lose we're at a point where we might lose we're at a point where we might lose those there are only a few of them left those there are only a few of them left those there are only a few of them left and then they're so prized by hunters and then they're so prized by hunters and then they're so prized by hunters yeah it's interesting because I I forget yeah it's interesting because I I forget yeah it's interesting because I I forget what the actual conclusion on that is what the actual conclusion on that is what the actual conclusion on that is because there's some studies of the use because there's some studies of the use because there's some studies of the use of the value of Beauty in evolution like of the value of Beauty in evolution like of the value of Beauty in evolution like birds yeah and peacocks and so on that birds yeah and peacocks and so on that birds yeah and peacocks and so on that there's no actual

there's no actual there's no actual value to it but it value to it but it value to it but it plays a role in in sexual selection plays a role in in sexual selection plays a role in in sexual selection meaning value like meaning value like meaning value like it's much easier to understand it's much easier to understand it's much easier to understand competition like a Tusk helps you defeat competition like a Tusk helps you defeat competition like a Tusk helps you defeat sure the competitive tool but I bet you sure the competitive tool but I bet you sure the competitive tool but I bet you there's a component to the Tusk where there's a component to the Tusk where there's a component to the Tusk where the ladies go goddamn that's a nice the ladies go goddamn that's a nice the ladies go goddamn that's a nice like there's a visual beautiful like there's a visual beautiful like there's a visual beautiful component maybe not I don't know but component maybe not I don't know but component maybe not I don't know but what if what if beauty though as we're what if what if beauty though as we're what if what if beauty though as we're defining it though is is is symmetry and defining it though is is is symmetry and defining it though is is is symmetry and the the absence of yellow spots on your the the absence of yellow spots on your the the absence of yellow spots on your face and and face and and face and and healthy looking hair and so like I think healthy looking hair and so like I think healthy looking hair and so like I think to us beauty is to us beauty is to us beauty is sexually appealing traits that look good sexually appealing traits that look good sexually appealing traits that look good to mate with and so so that that 19 year to mate with and so so that that 19 year to mate with and so so that that 19 year old with Marissa everybody in the world old with Marissa everybody in the world old with Marissa everybody in the world would swipe left on that yeah would swipe left on that yeah would swipe left on that yeah at least it's like really desirable at least it's like really desirable at least it's like really desirable object in the universe okay uh what do object in the universe okay uh what do object in the universe okay uh what do you mean speaking of elephant you mean speaking of elephant you mean speaking of elephant intelligence and something I I think and intelligence and something I I think and intelligence and something I I think and work quite a bit on as with artificial work quite a bit on as with artificial work quite a bit on as with artificial intelligence is what the philosophical intelligence is what the philosophical intelligence is what the philosophical question that comes up is what is question that comes up is what is question that comes up is what is intelligence what is intelligent intelligence what is intelligent intelligence what is intelligent um humans Homo sapiens are often um humans Homo sapiens are often um humans Homo sapiens are often thought to be highly intelligent that's thought to be highly intelligent that's thought to be highly intelligent that's the reason they stand out the reason they stand out the reason they stand out in your understanding in your understanding in your understanding of different species like the elephant of different species like the elephant of different species like the elephant what stands out to about humans or are what stands out to about humans or are what stands out to about humans or are they just another animal they just another animal they just another animal or different kinds of intelligence

or different kinds of intelligence or different kinds of intelligence well we're certainly unique because we well we're certainly unique because we well we're certainly unique because we have altered the entire planet yeah you have altered the entire planet yeah you have altered the entire planet yeah you know the term the anthropocene I mean know the term the anthropocene I mean know the term the anthropocene I mean it's like we've literally created a it's like we've literally created a it's like we've literally created a geological layer of us geological layer of us geological layer of us whereas other animals don't and whereas other animals don't and whereas other animals don't and going back to elephants it's like they going back to elephants it's like they going back to elephants it's like they also engineer their environment if also engineer their environment if also engineer their environment if you're in a forest like if you drop me you're in a forest like if you drop me you're in a forest like if you drop me in a forest on Earth I can tell you in in a forest on Earth I can tell you in in a forest on Earth I can tell you in two seconds if there's elephants there two seconds if there's elephants there two seconds if there's elephants there because this Twisted branches and because this Twisted branches and because this Twisted branches and excavated Earth and they they're excavated Earth and they they're excavated Earth and they they're constantly gardening constantly gardening constantly gardening um um um but I mean look look at us I mean but I mean look look at us I mean but I mean look look at us I mean there's we're clearly unique in nature there's we're clearly unique in nature there's we're clearly unique in nature which which makes me not understand the which which makes me not understand the which which makes me not understand the the the anti-human sentiment that that the the anti-human sentiment that that the the anti-human sentiment that that so much of environmentalism has about so much of environmentalism has about so much of environmentalism has about like you know like we're we're bad we're like you know like we're we're bad we're like you know like we're we're bad we're damned we ruin everything and it's like damned we ruin everything and it's like damned we ruin everything and it's like I've seen the worst I've seen the I've seen the worst I've seen the I've seen the worst I've seen the burning Amazon and I'm still like burning Amazon and I'm still like burning Amazon and I'm still like I love being able to share ideas with I love being able to share ideas with I love being able to share ideas with you and travel to places and FaceTime my you and travel to places and FaceTime my you and travel to places and FaceTime my family when I'm not around them and it's family when I'm not around them and it's family when I'm not around them and it's like I I celebrate a lot of what makes like I I celebrate a lot of what makes like I I celebrate a lot of what makes us human us human us human and I I it's almost like reality is this and I I it's almost like reality is this and I I it's almost like reality is this crazy video game and it's like if we crazy video game and it's like if we crazy video game and it's like if we could just figure out the right Keys we could just figure out the right Keys we could just figure out the right Keys we can pretty much do anything we can think can pretty much do anything we can think can pretty much do anything we can think of and it's like of and it's like of and it's like I mean poetry art I mean you know I'm I mean poetry art I mean you know I'm I mean poetry art I mean you know I'm the biggest animal lover in the world the biggest animal lover in the world the biggest animal lover in the world but we are we are but we are we are but we are we are we are different we are different we are different we really are yeah the ability to uh we really are yeah the ability to uh we really are yeah the ability to uh puzzle solve create tools puzzle solve create tools puzzle solve create tools I think it's the coolest invention

I think it's the coolest invention I think it's the coolest invention humans have come up with is it fire humans have come up with is it fire humans have come up with is it fire what's the most impactful what's the most impactful what's the most impactful uh uh uh I feel like fire is fire I feel like I feel like fire is fire I feel like I feel like fire is fire I feel like fire is kind of a gimme I feel like the fire is kind of a gimme I feel like the fire is kind of a gimme I feel like the they didn't really invent it they they didn't really invent it they they didn't really invent it they probably like the wheel probably like the wheel probably like the wheel flying flying flying I mean flying I mean think of think if I mean flying I mean think of think if I mean flying I mean think of think if you could go back in time to someone you could go back in time to someone you could go back in time to someone that never flew yeah you know assault in that never flew yeah you know assault in that never flew yeah you know assault in a an Egyptian king a an Egyptian king a an Egyptian king George Washington you know and be like George Washington you know and be like George Washington you know and be like you can you can you can fly I mean this just just on my way here fly I mean this just just on my way here fly I mean this just just on my way here yeah and I fly way too much but I was yeah and I fly way too much but I was yeah and I fly way too much but I was looking out the window at the clouds and looking out the window at the clouds and looking out the window at the clouds and going this is going this is going this is unbelievably spectacular it's just unbelievably spectacular it's just unbelievably spectacular it's just stunning you know as a kid you you look stunning you know as a kid you you look stunning you know as a kid you you look at a cloudy day at a cloudy day at a cloudy day and you go this is the world is like and you go this is the world is like and you go this is the world is like this today this today this today and then you get in a plane and you fly and then you get in a plane and you fly and then you get in a plane and you fly above the clouds and it's sunny up there above the clouds and it's sunny up there above the clouds and it's sunny up there and you go and you go and you go oh oh oh it just it changes your perspective it's it just it changes your perspective it's it just it changes your perspective it's like when people go to the moon and they like when people go to the moon and they like when people go to the moon and they come back and they tell you the pale come back and they tell you the pale come back and they tell you the pale blue dot you know just blue dot you know just blue dot you know just I I say I say flying I think the ability I I say I say flying I think the ability I I say I say flying I think the ability to fly I mean the fact that I could I to fly I mean the fact that I could I to fly I mean the fact that I could I could get on a plane and be in India in could get on a plane and be in India in could get on a plane and be in India in you know 20 22 hours is is shocking in you know 20 22 hours is is shocking in you know 20 22 hours is is shocking in terms of its usefulness I would argue terms of its usefulness I would argue terms of its usefulness I would argue that's not in the top five but in terms that's not in the top five but in terms that's not in the top five but in terms of its ability to inspire yeah there's of its ability to inspire yeah there's of its ability to inspire yeah there's uh somebody I forgot who uh told me this uh somebody I forgot who uh told me this uh somebody I forgot who uh told me this idea that idea that idea that there's something about the atmosphere there's something about the atmosphere there's something about the atmosphere Earth's atmosphere that allows you to Earth's atmosphere that allows you to Earth's atmosphere that allows you to look up and see the stars like if we look up and see the stars like if we look up and see the stars like if we didn't have that human civilization didn't have that human civilization didn't have that human civilization would not have happened meaning like

would not have happened meaning like would not have happened meaning like being able to look up and see something being able to look up and see something being able to look up and see something out there out there out there would fill our like this something that would fill our like this something that would fill our like this something that allows you to look up versus just look allows you to look up versus just look allows you to look up versus just look down to like first looking at your local down to like first looking at your local down to like first looking at your local environment yeah be able to like wander environment yeah be able to like wander environment yeah be able to like wander and see holy shit there's a big world and see holy shit there's a big world and see holy shit there's a big world out there I don't know out there I don't know out there I don't know anything if if you're able to look up anything if if you're able to look up anything if if you're able to look up and see that yeah that that kind of and see that yeah that that kind of and see that yeah that that kind of humility combined with the ability to humility combined with the ability to humility combined with the ability to dream about exploring yeah maybe it just dream about exploring yeah maybe it just dream about exploring yeah maybe it just inspires the exploration it's kind of an inspires the exploration it's kind of an inspires the exploration it's kind of an interesting thought given how inspiring interesting thought given how inspiring interesting thought given how inspiring for example the uh for example the uh for example the uh the extra upgraded super cool version of the extra upgraded super cool version of the extra upgraded super cool version of flying which is flying to other planets flying which is flying to other planets flying which is flying to other planets I mean there's going to be hopefully I mean there's going to be hopefully I mean there's going to be hopefully it's possible it's possible it's possible the century the century the century a child born no not the century maybe a child born no not the century maybe a child born no not the century maybe the century a child born on another the century a child born on another the century a child born on another planet that looks up that looks back at planet that looks up that looks back at planet that looks up that looks back at Earth Earth Earth and it has to be educated by his her and it has to be educated by his her and it has to be educated by his her parents that like there's another place parents that like there's another place parents that like there's another place there's another place where life is way there's another place where life is way there's another place where life is way easier oh God it's so easy there's water easier oh God it's so easy there's water easier oh God it's so easy there's water everywhere exactly people complain about everywhere exactly people complain about everywhere exactly people complain about Earth man the Earth is really really Earth man the Earth is really really Earth man the Earth is really really really really really good it's really really really really good it's really really really really good it's really really good here water everywhere really good here water everywhere really good here water everywhere anything man I wouldn't even leave given anything man I wouldn't even leave given anything man I wouldn't even leave given like right now like if somebody said

like right now like if somebody said like right now like if somebody said like oh you could like you could go to like oh you could like you could go to like oh you could like you could go to the Moon I'd be like no I'm good if I the Moon I'd be like no I'm good if I the Moon I'd be like no I'm good if I died in space I'd be so pissed I love it died in space I'd be so pissed I love it died in space I'd be so pissed I love it here yeah but you're still there's a here yeah but you're still there's a here yeah but you're still there's a longing to explore for you there's a longing to explore for you there's a longing to explore for you there's a longing to explore but I I really think longing to explore but I I really think longing to explore but I I really think I'm I'm such a I'm I'm such a I'm I'm such a like my longing to explore is like like my longing to explore is like like my longing to explore is like Rivers streams oceans jungles like to me Rivers streams oceans jungles like to me Rivers streams oceans jungles like to me like yeah I would I would watch the hell like yeah I would I would watch the hell like yeah I would I would watch the hell out of the the live stream of of Elon out of the the live stream of of Elon out of the the live stream of of Elon touching down on Mars like I'd be like touching down on Mars like I'd be like touching down on Mars like I'd be like this is incredible it's amazing that I this is incredible it's amazing that I this is incredible it's amazing that I get to be around to see this get to be around to see this get to be around to see this I'm staying where I'll be right here I'm staying where I'll be right here I'm staying where I'll be right here yeah but it's good that the human Spirit yeah but it's good that the human Spirit yeah but it's good that the human Spirit pushes us oh it's amazing what's pushes us oh it's amazing what's pushes us oh it's amazing what's possible and it does that for you what possible and it does that for you what possible and it does that for you what um just a out there questions what's um just a out there questions what's um just a out there questions what's what's the most dangerous animal what's the most dangerous animal what's the most dangerous animal in the Amazon would you say in the Amazon would you say in the Amazon would you say mammal let's go with mammal dangerous mammal let's go with mammal dangerous mammal let's go with mammal dangerous mammal like dangerous in terms of you mammal like dangerous in terms of you mammal like dangerous in terms of you walking around doing the solo hike I'm walking around doing the solo hike I'm walking around doing the solo hike I'm gonna disappoint everybody with this but gonna disappoint everybody with this but gonna disappoint everybody with this but it's it's humans it's nothing there's no it's it's humans it's nothing there's no it's it's humans it's nothing there's no if I'm out in the Amazon there's nothing if I'm out in the Amazon there's nothing if I'm out in the Amazon there's nothing that's going to attack me you know and that's going to attack me you know and that's going to attack me you know and in India you might have you might have in India you might have you might have in India you might have you might have an old leopard or a tiger that's missing an old leopard or a tiger that's missing an old leopard or a tiger that's missing a tooth that decides your prey or you a tooth that decides your prey or you a tooth that decides your prey or you might have an angry elephant that's in might have an angry elephant that's in might have an angry elephant that's in must that just decides to just decides must that just decides to just decides must that just decides to just decides to flatten you in the Amazon you're not to flatten you in the Amazon you're not to flatten you in the Amazon you're not this real jaguars won't even let you see this real jaguars won't even let you see this real jaguars won't even let you see them yeah and there's really nothing them yeah and there's really nothing them yeah and there's really nothing else one of my friends uh brilliant else one of my friends uh brilliant else one of my friends uh brilliant scientist friend of mine Pat got

scientist friend of mine Pat got scientist friend of mine Pat got attacked by a rabid ocelot once but attacked by a rabid ocelot once but attacked by a rabid ocelot once but that's like a diesel house cat just that's like a diesel house cat just that's like a diesel house cat just having a fit you know that's it wasn't having a fit you know that's it wasn't having a fit you know that's it wasn't the worst thing in the world the worst thing in the world the worst thing in the world it's just the assholes yeah Kingdom okay it's just the assholes yeah Kingdom okay it's just the assholes yeah Kingdom okay what uh in terms of humans you said um that the tribes some of them um that the tribes some of them uncontacted yeah can be exceptionally uncontacted yeah can be exceptionally uncontacted yeah can be exceptionally dangerous what's your experience with dangerous what's your experience with dangerous what's your experience with them what should people learn because them what should people learn because them what should people learn because it's such a fascinating part it's such a fascinating part it's such a fascinating part of life here on Earth that there's of life here on Earth that there's of life here on Earth that there's tribes that don't have much or any tribes that don't have much or any tribes that don't have much or any contact with the quote-unquote Civilized contact with the quote-unquote Civilized contact with the quote-unquote Civilized world most of the people that I meet don't most of the people that I meet don't actually really understand how actually really understand how actually really understand how how isolated these people are or how how isolated these people are or how how isolated these people are or how weird it is that we're sitting here and weird it is that we're sitting here and weird it is that we're sitting here and that we have iPhones and airplanes and that we have iPhones and airplanes and that we have iPhones and airplanes and all this stuff and these people are all this stuff and these people are all this stuff and these people are living naked in the forest at this living naked in the forest at this living naked in the forest at this moment moment moment and so and so and so the the the thing though you know I also the the the thing though you know I also the the the thing though you know I also was recently somebody somebody said oh was recently somebody somebody said oh was recently somebody somebody said oh there's like Paleolithic tribes and it's there's like Paleolithic tribes and it's there's like Paleolithic tribes and it's like no no just by default they're like no no just by default they're like no no just by default they're modern tribes living now modern tribes living now modern tribes living now they just happen to be living out in the they just happen to be living out in the they just happen to be living out in the jungle and there's a huge debate about jungle and there's a huge debate about jungle and there's a huge debate about you know do we try and contact them and you know do we try and contact them and you know do we try and contact them and bring them in bring them in bring them in and there's two camps of people on this and there's two camps of people on this and there's two camps of people on this who they said it was it was it was the who they said it was it was it was the who they said it was it was it was the trauma of the rubber boom that sent them trauma of the rubber boom that sent them trauma of the rubber boom that sent them out that far into the forest and made out that far into the forest and made out that far into the forest and made them terrified of the outside world them terrified of the outside world them terrified of the outside world and so that's also what made them so and so that's also what made them so and so that's also what made them so hyper violent I mean they're they're I hyper violent I mean they're they're I hyper violent I mean they're they're I there's one of the guys we work with on

there's one of the guys we work with on there's one of the guys we work with on our team Victor was our team Victor was our team Victor was in I think it was 2004. he's coming down in I think it was 2004. he's coming down in I think it was 2004. he's coming down river and he had a load of mahogany wood river and he had a load of mahogany wood river and he had a load of mahogany wood and he's piloting this boat and he's piloting this boat and he's piloting this boat and and and he sent two people a husband and wife he sent two people a husband and wife he sent two people a husband and wife ahead to go start cooking breakfast on ahead to go start cooking breakfast on ahead to go start cooking breakfast on the beach so they could put the little the beach so they could put the little the beach so they could put the little kitchenette thing down and pick put the kitchenette thing down and pick put the kitchenette thing down and pick put the propane he sent them ahead as the he's propane he sent them ahead as the he's propane he sent them ahead as the he's going nice and slow at the barge coming going nice and slow at the barge coming going nice and slow at the barge coming down the river they go ahead reach the down the river they go ahead reach the down the river they go ahead reach the beach they get out he starts cutting beach they get out he starts cutting beach they get out he starts cutting some cane to start put making a fire some cane to start put making a fire some cane to start put making a fire tribe comes out no warning they just tribe comes out no warning they just tribe comes out no warning they just start screaming they start shooting start screaming they start shooting start screaming they start shooting arrows the man instantly gets an arrow arrows the man instantly gets an arrow arrows the man instantly gets an arrow through the leg and it pins his leg so through the leg and it pins his leg so through the leg and it pins his leg so he can't run he tells his wife go save he can't run he tells his wife go save he can't run he tells his wife go save yourself and she does she jumps in the yourself and she does she jumps in the yourself and she does she jumps in the water this arrow is falling around her water this arrow is falling around her water this arrow is falling around her too and as she's floating down the river too and as she's floating down the river too and as she's floating down the river she looks back and the last thing she she looks back and the last thing she she looks back and the last thing she sees is these guys getting to her sees is these guys getting to her sees is these guys getting to her husband and beginning to rip him apart husband and beginning to rip him apart husband and beginning to rip him apart as Victor comes down the river this is a as Victor comes down the river this is a as Victor comes down the river this is a guy we work with every day he comes down guy we work with every day he comes down guy we work with every day he comes down the river and sees his friend the river and sees his friend the river and sees his friend disemboweled opened up dissected his disemboweled opened up dissected his disemboweled opened up dissected his parts are all over the beach the beach parts are all over the beach the beach parts are all over the beach the beach is red and they only found out what is red and they only found out what is red and they only found out what happened because they found her later on happened because they found her later on happened because they found her later on holding on to a stick in the river and holding on to a stick in the river and holding on to a stick in the river and they're like what happened and she was they're like what happened and she was they're like what happened and she was like they just attacked they don't want like they just attacked they don't want like they just attacked they don't want people on their land on the on the on people on their land on the on the on people on their land on the on the on the the sort of the underground WhatsApp the the sort of the underground WhatsApp the the sort of the underground WhatsApp chain of the Amazon they a few in August chain of the Amazon they a few in August chain of the Amazon they a few in August like this was not an internationally like this was not an internationally like this was not an internationally known known known um some loggers went up and tried to

um some loggers went up and tried to um some loggers went up and tried to steal a few trees from where the tribes steal a few trees from where the tribes steal a few trees from where the tribes were and then everybody sent the were and then everybody sent the were and then everybody sent the pictures of what the loggers looked like pictures of what the loggers looked like pictures of what the loggers looked like after a few days because the tribes after a few days because the tribes after a few days because the tribes porcupine them with arrows they were porcupine them with arrows they were porcupine them with arrows they were laying there on the ground with just laying there on the ground with just laying there on the ground with just arrows sticking out of their bodies and arrows sticking out of their bodies and arrows sticking out of their bodies and then eventually the authorities came out then eventually the authorities came out then eventually the authorities came out and looked and there was just these and looked and there was just these and looked and there was just these white white white but I'll show you the pictures later but I'll show you the pictures later but I'll show you the pictures later there's just these white puffy bodies there's just these white puffy bodies there's just these white puffy bodies with like the skulls sticking out and it with like the skulls sticking out and it with like the skulls sticking out and it was like you don't mess with these was like you don't mess with these was like you don't mess with these tribes I wonder what are the what's the tribes I wonder what are the what's the tribes I wonder what are the what's the mythology around that they construct mythology around that they construct mythology around that they construct around who these Outsiders are around who these Outsiders are around who these Outsiders are they gods are they demons are they they gods are they demons are they they gods are they demons are they humans what who are they who are we to humans what who are they who are we to humans what who are they who are we to them them them well you you got to go back to the well you you got to go back to the well you you got to go back to the rubber Boom the the rubber Barons went rubber Boom the the rubber Barons went rubber Boom the the rubber Barons went down there and at the start of the down there and at the start of the down there and at the start of the Industrial Revolution the only way to Industrial Revolution the only way to Industrial Revolution the only way to get rubber get rubber get rubber was to mine it from the trees that were was to mine it from the trees that were was to mine it from the trees that were out in the forest and so the only way to out in the forest and so the only way to out in the forest and so the only way to do that because you can't make a rubber do that because you can't make a rubber do that because you can't make a rubber Plantation in the jungle the the rubber Plantation in the jungle the the rubber Plantation in the jungle the the rubber when it's in Plantation form when it's a when it's in Plantation form when it's a when it's in Plantation form when it's a monoculture it gets this Leaf blight and monoculture it gets this Leaf blight and monoculture it gets this Leaf blight and it all dies Henry Ford tried it didn't it all dies Henry Ford tried it didn't it all dies Henry Ford tried it didn't work and so what they did was they sent work and so what they did was they sent work and so what they did was they sent these people down who just whipped these people down who just whipped these people down who just whipped burned enslaved raped and pillaged the burned enslaved raped and pillaged the burned enslaved raped and pillaged the people it's one of the worst periods in people it's one of the worst periods in people it's one of the worst periods in human suffering that I've ever read human suffering that I've ever read human suffering that I've ever read about about about um one missionary said they were killing um one missionary said they were killing um one missionary said they were killing the locals the way you or I would kill a the locals the way you or I would kill a the locals the way you or I would kill a mosquito they just went nuts and so they mosquito they just went nuts and so they mosquito they just went nuts and so they sent them out and they would come back sent them out and they would come back sent them out and they would come back with rubber and this would go to fuel with rubber and this would go to fuel with rubber and this would go to fuel the Industrial Revolution for hoses and the Industrial Revolution for hoses and the Industrial Revolution for hoses and gaskets and tires and all this stuff gaskets and tires and all this stuff gaskets and tires and all this stuff that suddenly we needed that suddenly we needed that suddenly we needed um and it was during that time that

um and it was during that time that um and it was during that time that these these these you know gangs of these these these you know gangs of these these these you know gangs of foreigners would go into the jungle to foreigners would go into the jungle to foreigners would go into the jungle to enslave the natives enslave the natives enslave the natives that these uncontacted tribes went back that these uncontacted tribes went back that these uncontacted tribes went back into the jungle and said not us into the jungle and said not us into the jungle and said not us and they have six foot bows and seven and they have six foot bows and seven and they have six foot bows and seven foot Arrows with bamboo tips they make foot Arrows with bamboo tips they make foot Arrows with bamboo tips they make the bamboo tips into razor blades the bamboo tips into razor blades the bamboo tips into razor blades and so when those things fly actually and so when those things fly actually and so when those things fly actually one of my Rangers one of the Jungle one of my Rangers one of the Jungle one of my Rangers one of the Jungle Keepers team Keepers team Keepers team um was present when the tribes had come um was present when the tribes had come um was present when the tribes had come out onto the river and he tried to out onto the river and he tried to out onto the river and he tried to help them because they're nomadic and help them because they're nomadic and help them because they're nomadic and they live out there and so there's an they live out there and so there's an they live out there and so there's an element of like element of like element of like brother like you know they're trying to brother like you know they're trying to brother like you know they're trying to be like you don't need to be like this be like you don't need to be like this be like you don't need to be like this like we're friendly so they sent a canoe like we're friendly so they sent a canoe like we're friendly so they sent a canoe across the river with bananas and so across the river with bananas and so across the river with bananas and so he's up to his waist in the river and he's up to his waist in the river and he's up to his waist in the river and the tribes are right across the river the tribes are right across the river the tribes are right across the river and and and and and and this shot and he sees the Arrow coming this shot and he sees the Arrow coming this shot and he sees the Arrow coming right at his head and as he moved to the right at his head and as he moved to the right at his head and as he moved to the side it hit him at the temple and sliced side it hit him at the temple and sliced side it hit him at the temple and sliced him back towards the ear opening him to him back towards the ear opening him to him back towards the ear opening him to the skull the skull the skull he's fine he's fine he's fine but let me tell you something when he but let me tell you something when he but let me tell you something when he goes and gets a crew cut it's the most goes and gets a crew cut it's the most goes and gets a crew cut it's the most badass the scar you've ever seen man and badass the scar you've ever seen man and badass the scar you've ever seen man and so he he always keeps it real short on so he he always keeps it real short on so he he always keeps it real short on that side but but even if you try to that side but but even if you try to that side but but even if you try to help them that they're not necessarily help them that they're not necessarily help them that they're not necessarily friends and tough I said tough lesson friends and tough I said tough lesson friends and tough I said tough lesson yeah yeah yeah I suppose they have a point they have a I suppose they have a point they have a I suppose they have a point they have a point and and protecting them is is a point and and protecting them is is a point and and protecting them is is a default of you know now that we're default of you know now that we're default of you know now that we're protecting all this ecosystems and all

protecting all this ecosystems and all protecting all this ecosystems and all these other indigenous communities it's these other indigenous communities it's these other indigenous communities it's like we all sort of live with this like we all sort of live with this like we all sort of live with this knowledge that they're the Hermanos the knowledge that they're the Hermanos the knowledge that they're the Hermanos the brothers are out there and that's the brothers are out there and that's the brothers are out there and that's the way they want to keep it and so we just way they want to keep it and so we just way they want to keep it and so we just have to be respectful of like you don't have to be respectful of like you don't have to be respectful of like you don't camp on certain beaches at certain times camp on certain beaches at certain times camp on certain beaches at certain times of the year because we know that they of the year because we know that they of the year because we know that they might be there you really have to be might be there you really have to be might be there you really have to be careful about that have you yourself careful about that have you yourself careful about that have you yourself interacted with any my interaction with interacted with any my interaction with interacted with any my interaction with them came on a solo where I pushed it a them came on a solo where I pushed it a them came on a solo where I pushed it a little bit too far little bit too far little bit too far and I I was planning to do a three week and I I was planning to do a three week and I I was planning to do a three week this was like the big one and I I got this was like the big one and I I got this was like the big one and I I got dropped off by poachers up a river and I dropped off by poachers up a river and I dropped off by poachers up a river and I I went past the point where they were I went past the point where they were I went past the point where they were like names there I said what what what like names there I said what what what like names there I said what what what tributary are we on and they were like tributary are we on and they were like tributary are we on and they were like tributary and I was like okay tributary and I was like okay tributary and I was like okay and I said leave me here and I remember and I said leave me here and I remember and I said leave me here and I remember the guy being like are you committing the guy being like are you committing the guy being like are you committing suicide and he didn't understand that I suicide and he didn't understand that I suicide and he didn't understand that I was like no I have a backpack and I have was like no I have a backpack and I have was like no I have a backpack and I have like food and like I'm gonna like take like food and like I'm gonna like take like food and like I'm gonna like take videos and I have a tripod and I was videos and I have a tripod and I was videos and I have a tripod and I was like we're cool here and they looked at like we're cool here and they looked at like we're cool here and they looked at me like they were like goodbye and I was me like they were like goodbye and I was me like they were like goodbye and I was like all right and I went up this River like all right and I went up this River like all right and I went up this River and and and and again like you just you learn these and again like you just you learn these and again like you just you learn these things like you know it was only when things like you know it was only when things like you know it was only when I'd been alone for a week that you I'd been alone for a week that you I'd been alone for a week that you realize you're you know is that saying realize you're you know is that saying realize you're you know is that saying that like oh you're you're born alone that like oh you're you're born alone that like oh you're you're born alone and you die alone it's like no you're and you die alone it's like no you're and you die alone it's like no you're not you're born into a room full of not you're born into a room full of not you're born into a room full of people usually at the very least your people usually at the very least your people usually at the very least your mother's there for everybody and uh and mother's there for everybody and uh and mother's there for everybody and uh and so you've been around people probably if so you've been around people probably if so you've been around people probably if you're a normal person every single day you're a normal person every single day you're a normal person every single day of your life you've seen dozens if not of your life you've seen dozens if not of your life you've seen dozens if not hundreds of people hundreds of people hundreds of people and all of a sudden you realize what a and all of a sudden you realize what a and all of a sudden you realize what a social creature we are social creature we are social creature we are because on day six it gets weird for me

because on day six it gets weird for me because on day six it gets weird for me it got weird I know there's people that it got weird I know there's people that it got weird I know there's people that can do it longer so what is it what does can do it longer so what is it what does can do it longer so what is it what does that mean like longing for contact like that mean like longing for contact like that mean like longing for contact like are you lonely longing for contact the are you lonely longing for contact the are you lonely longing for contact the Distortion of reality in the sense that Distortion of reality in the sense that Distortion of reality in the sense that like like like you know you wake up and there's no one you know you wake up and there's no one you know you wake up and there's no one there and you start to there and you start to there and you start to you know you're going up a river so I you know you're going up a river so I you know you're going up a river so I would keep I kept looking back down would keep I kept looking back down would keep I kept looking back down river and river and river and almost thinking of my life as something almost thinking of my life as something almost thinking of my life as something it was almost like I had already died it was almost like I had already died it was almost like I had already died and I had gone to somewhere else and I and I had gone to somewhere else and I and I had gone to somewhere else and I was looking back on that life as like was looking back on that life as like was looking back on that life as like something that I had experienced And something that I had experienced And something that I had experienced And Then There came this Panic of what if Then There came this Panic of what if Then There came this Panic of what if it's gone or like what if World War III it's gone or like what if World War III it's gone or like what if World War III broke out and I just don't know about it broke out and I just don't know about it broke out and I just don't know about it my family in New York is vaporizing my family in New York is vaporizing my family in New York is vaporizing something just you just you you're something just you just you you're something just you just you you're you're so actually your ability to you're so actually your ability to you're so actually your ability to comprehend and interpret reality kind of comprehend and interpret reality kind of comprehend and interpret reality kind of requires other people it's not just that requires other people it's not just that requires other people it's not just that you're lonely you need that contact to you're lonely you need that contact to you're lonely you need that contact to actually just perceive the world make actually just perceive the world make actually just perceive the world make sense of it all of that so you start sense of it all of that so you start sense of it all of that so you start basically hallucinating in a certain basically hallucinating in a certain basically hallucinating in a certain kind of way I started feeling very kind of way I started feeling very kind of way I started feeling very uncomfortable uncomfortable uncomfortable um and it doesn't help also that like um and it doesn't help also that like um and it doesn't help also that like Santiago told me these stories where Santiago told me these stories where Santiago told me these stories where he's like if you hear capuchins sounding he's like if you hear capuchins sounding he's like if you hear capuchins sounding not quite monkeys if you hear capuchin not quite monkeys if you hear capuchin not quite monkeys if you hear capuchin monkey sounding not quite like capuchins monkey sounding not quite like capuchins monkey sounding not quite like capuchins he goes it's the tribe and they're he goes it's the tribe and they're he goes it's the tribe and they're coming to get you coming to get you coming to get you and then so um the guy who was shot and then so um the guy who was shot and then so um the guy who was shot Ignacio they showed me videos where we Ignacio they showed me videos where we Ignacio they showed me videos where we saw them on the beach and they're saw them on the beach and they're saw them on the beach and they're communicating in Monkey calls they're communicating in Monkey calls they're communicating in Monkey calls they're using it as code so that we don't using it as code so that we don't using it as code so that we don't understand them even though we don't understand them even though we don't understand them even though we don't speak their language but they're they're speak their language but they're they're speak their language but they're they're using animal calls and so every night

using animal calls and so every night using animal calls and so every night you go to sleep and then you go did that you go to sleep and then you go did that you go to sleep and then you go did that tinnitus sound off and you're like shit tinnitus sound off and you're like shit tinnitus sound off and you're like shit you know and it's really hard to fall you know and it's really hard to fall you know and it's really hard to fall asleep and then like one night I I asleep and then like one night I I asleep and then like one night I I messed up and I left a fish I like messed up and I left a fish I like messed up and I left a fish I like cleaned this fish I ate like this huge cleaned this fish I ate like this huge cleaned this fish I ate like this huge fish I just ate it to my face you're fish I just ate it to my face you're fish I just ate it to my face you're putting out like Marathon levels of of putting out like Marathon levels of of putting out like Marathon levels of of energy every day like you know Goggins energy every day like you know Goggins energy every day like you know Goggins would love solos this is awesome yeah would love solos this is awesome yeah would love solos this is awesome yeah you eat the fish Raw uh this one I you eat the fish Raw uh this one I you eat the fish Raw uh this one I actually cooked it but you know the actually cooked it but you know the actually cooked it but you know the skeleton was laying there right right skeleton was laying there right right skeleton was laying there right right outside my tent stupid yeah and in the outside my tent stupid yeah and in the outside my tent stupid yeah and in the middle of the night I wake up and I just middle of the night I wake up and I just middle of the night I wake up and I just could tell there was something there you could tell there was something there you could tell there was something there you know and then like you almost don't want know and then like you almost don't want know and then like you almost don't want to look it's like when you're a kid at to look it's like when you're a kid at to look it's like when you're a kid at the basement door and you're like is the basement door and you're like is the basement door and you're like is there a ghost it's like I like unzip the there a ghost it's like I like unzip the there a ghost it's like I like unzip the tent and I like open it up and there's tent and I like open it up and there's tent and I like open it up and there's like 27 black cayman outside of my tent like 27 black cayman outside of my tent like 27 black cayman outside of my tent all looking at me like this and like all looking at me like this and like all looking at me like this and like some of their heads are this big and some of their heads are this big and some of their heads are this big and they're like there's fish there can we they're like there's fish there can we they're like there's fish there can we have it and I'm like holy shit and like have it and I'm like holy shit and like have it and I'm like holy shit and like you know I was like do I I kind of like you know I was like do I I kind of like you know I was like do I I kind of like had to like scooch the tent back and had to like scooch the tent back and had to like scooch the tent back and like move back and let them have their like move back and let them have their like move back and let them have their fish and there's a host of crocodiles fish and there's a host of crocodiles fish and there's a host of crocodiles outside of my tent yeah outside of my tent yeah outside of my tent yeah um but no so then there's three how many um but no so then there's three how many um but no so then there's three how many like 27 maybe there's a lot big ones like 27 maybe there's a lot big ones like 27 maybe there's a lot big ones small ones medium sized one every type small ones medium sized one every type small ones medium sized one every type thing we're all there and their eyes thing we're all there and their eyes thing we're all there and their eyes glow in the night you know you shine a glow in the night you know you shine a glow in the night you know you shine a light at animals and they have a taping light at animals and they have a taping light at animals and they have a taping them lucidum and so their their eye them lucidum and so their their eye them lucidum and so their their eye shine comes back at you if you shine a shine comes back at you if you shine a shine comes back at you if you shine a headlamp at a at a jaguar or a frog or headlamp at a at a jaguar or a frog or headlamp at a at a jaguar or a frog or almost every animal has a tape in them almost every animal has a tape in them almost every animal has a tape in them Croc there's a whole lot of them yeah I Croc there's a whole lot of them yeah I Croc there's a whole lot of them yeah I thought can we go back to the part of thought can we go back to the part of thought can we go back to the part of the conversation where you said the the conversation where you said the the conversation where you said the jungle is not dangerous the humans are

jungle is not dangerous the humans are jungle is not dangerous the humans are the most dangerous did they eat me no the most dangerous did they eat me no the most dangerous did they eat me no why didn't they eat you they wanted the why didn't they eat you they wanted the why didn't they eat you they wanted the fish is there some way of you fish is there some way of you fish is there some way of you interacting with them that shows that interacting with them that shows that interacting with them that shows that you're not social harm you're not social harm you're not social harm I don't believe so I'm sure there's I don't believe so I'm sure there's I don't believe so I'm sure there's someone out there that thinks they can someone out there that thinks they can someone out there that thinks they can talk to Crocs but because there's a talk to Crocs but because there's a talk to Crocs but because there's a there's a story of you grabbing a Croc there's a story of you grabbing a Croc there's a story of you grabbing a Croc by the tail yes what did you learn from by the tail yes what did you learn from by the tail yes what did you learn from that learn to not always listen to JJ so that learn to not always listen to JJ so that learn to not always listen to JJ so JJ was testing you to uh yeah to see how JJ was testing you to uh yeah to see how JJ was testing you to uh yeah to see how stupid it was how do you hold the stupid it was how do you hold the stupid it was how do you hold the crocodile exactly you have to get him by crocodile exactly you have to get him by crocodile exactly you have to get him by the head like an anaconda like this and the head like an anaconda like this and the head like an anaconda like this and so so you're one of the world experts to so so you're one of the world experts to so so you're one of the world experts to grabbing creatures by the head I grabbing creatures by the head I grabbing creatures by the head I wouldn't say World expert but I've done wouldn't say World expert but I've done wouldn't say World expert but I've done a lot of it um I also have you see how a lot of it um I also have you see how a lot of it um I also have you see how there's like kind of a ball there that's there's like kind of a ball there that's there's like kind of a ball there that's where a crocodile tooth went in that where a crocodile tooth went in that where a crocodile tooth went in that side and like came out that side of my side and like came out that side of my side and like came out that side of my mouth that was a really good Chomp and mouth that was a really good Chomp and mouth that was a really good Chomp and the watch I was wearing at the time the watch I was wearing at the time the watch I was wearing at the time saved me because that like that saved me because that like that saved me because that like that um real fast just Chomp just whack like um real fast just Chomp just whack like um real fast just Chomp just whack like somebody took a sledgehammer you put somebody took a sledgehammer you put somebody took a sledgehammer you put your hand on the table and I just went your hand on the table and I just went your hand on the table and I just went really hurt really hurt really hurt um shouldn't have been doing that what um shouldn't have been doing that what um shouldn't have been doing that what how did that come up because I caught a how did that come up because I caught a how did that come up because I caught a Croc that was too big so usually when we Croc that was too big so usually when we Croc that was too big so usually when we catch little Caiman in the streams and catch little Caiman in the streams and catch little Caiman in the streams and we measure them to monitor the we measure them to monitor the we measure them to monitor the populations populations populations um you get it by the neck and then I um you get it by the neck and then I um you get it by the neck and then I tuck the tail under my arm and I hold it tuck the tail under my arm and I hold it tuck the tail under my arm and I hold it and you're talking about a little you and you're talking about a little you and you're talking about a little you know four foot Croc nothing and I I this know four foot Croc nothing and I I this know four foot Croc nothing and I I this one I dove into a into a swamp and I one I dove into a into a swamp and I one I dove into a into a swamp and I caught like a six foot caught like a six foot caught like a six foot spectacle came in and her head was big spectacle came in and her head was big spectacle came in and her head was big and I had her by the neck and I realized and I had her by the neck and I realized and I had her by the neck and I realized I couldn't get her tail under my arm I couldn't get her tail under my arm I couldn't get her tail under my arm because her tail was all the way back because her tail was all the way back because her tail was all the way back there and she started thrashing

there and she started thrashing there and she started thrashing and it was like probably Croc number 375 and it was like probably Croc number 375 and it was like probably Croc number 375 that I'd caught and I just got a little that I'd caught and I just got a little that I'd caught and I just got a little cocky and I said ah she's you know I cocky and I said ah she's you know I cocky and I said ah she's you know I just I just like grabbed her by a leg I just I just like grabbed her by a leg I just I just like grabbed her by a leg I was like I got this and she just came was like I got this and she just came was like I got this and she just came back and tagged me and I went okay gonna back and tagged me and I went okay gonna back and tagged me and I went okay gonna go back to being safe just to linger on go back to being safe just to linger on go back to being safe just to linger on it what uh it what uh it what uh is it one of the one of the bigger is it one of the one of the bigger is it one of the one of the bigger predators in the Amazon what and it's is predators in the Amazon what and it's is predators in the Amazon what and it's is it going to uh are they going extinct it going to uh are they going extinct it going to uh are they going extinct black caimans black caiman were I black caimans black caiman were I black caimans black caiman were I believe they were critically endangered believe they were critically endangered believe they were critically endangered for a while because for a while the for a while because for a while the for a while because for a while the fashion industry loved their skin it's fashion industry loved their skin it's fashion industry loved their skin it's soft and it's black soft and it's black soft and it's black um they're bouncing back a little bit um they're bouncing back a little bit um they're bouncing back a little bit now you know like most animals if you now you know like most animals if you now you know like most animals if you leave them alone they'll be fine I mean leave them alone they'll be fine I mean leave them alone they'll be fine I mean Crocs have been through you know how Crocs have been through you know how Crocs have been through you know how many millions and millions of years on many millions and millions of years on many millions and millions of years on Earth before us I mean that's even the Earth before us I mean that's even the Earth before us I mean that's even the joke with with the joke but that's the joke with with the joke but that's the joke with with the joke but that's the Grim reality of tiger conservation it's Grim reality of tiger conservation it's Grim reality of tiger conservation it's there was a hundred thousand Tigers in there was a hundred thousand Tigers in there was a hundred thousand Tigers in 1900. 1900. 1900. now this 4 000 Tigers left on Earth now this 4 000 Tigers left on Earth now this 4 000 Tigers left on Earth it's not rocket science all you have to it's not rocket science all you have to it's not rocket science all you have to do is not bulldoze their forest and do is not bulldoze their forest and do is not bulldoze their forest and allow there to be some deer and tigers allow there to be some deer and tigers allow there to be some deer and tigers will be fine that's it it's so simple will be fine that's it it's so simple will be fine that's it it's so simple and that's like sometimes where I feel and that's like sometimes where I feel and that's like sometimes where I feel like I have the dumbest job in the world like I have the dumbest job in the world like I have the dumbest job in the world I'm like guys please stop killing the I'm like guys please stop killing the I'm like guys please stop killing the things that Keep Us Alive things that Keep Us Alive things that Keep Us Alive the Amazon regulates our Global Climate the Amazon regulates our Global Climate the Amazon regulates our Global Climate produces medicine is home to indigenous produces medicine is home to indigenous produces medicine is home to indigenous people it's beautiful people it's beautiful people it's beautiful rainforests only cover three percent of rainforests only cover three percent of rainforests only cover three percent of the planet's land mass like it's not

the planet's land mass like it's not the planet's land mass like it's not that much to ask that much to ask that much to ask if you uh leave their home on touch if you uh leave their home on touch if you uh leave their home on touch they'll figure out how to have sex and they'll figure out how to have sex and they'll figure out how to have sex and multiply except for pandas apparently multiply except for pandas apparently multiply except for pandas apparently because pandas you have to convince yeah because pandas you have to convince yeah because pandas you have to convince yeah uh humpbacks humpbacks they went down to uh humpbacks humpbacks they went down to uh humpbacks humpbacks they went down to they went from 130 000 down to I think they went from 130 000 down to I think they went from 130 000 down to I think about 8 000. about 8 000. about 8 000. at whaling times and then when we band at whaling times and then when we band at whaling times and then when we band whaling since that time where I think whaling since that time where I think whaling since that time where I think we're back up to over a hundred thousand we're back up to over a hundred thousand we're back up to over a hundred thousand humpback whales they've bounced back humpback whales they've bounced back humpback whales they've bounced back it's a success story we're not going to it's a success story we're not going to it's a success story we're not going to lose them lose them lose them okay so you're in this on the solo okay so you're in this on the solo okay so you're in this on the solo with uh Crocs looking at you see this is with uh Crocs looking at you see this is with uh Crocs looking at you see this is why you're good at this you know I I why you're good at this you know I I why you're good at this you know I I would have lost we would have been no would have lost we would have been no would have lost we would have been no that's pretty yeah with the fish that that's pretty yeah with the fish that that's pretty yeah with the fish that was your mistake that was my mistake I was your mistake that was my mistake I was your mistake that was my mistake I don't understand how you're still alive don't understand how you're still alive don't understand how you're still alive I mean I it's really inspiring when you I mean I it's really inspiring when you I mean I it's really inspiring when you come we're gonna I'm gonna show you if there's any place I mean if there's any place I mean um um um sort of a grim joke but if there's any sort of a grim joke but if there's any sort of a grim joke but if there's any way to die uh that's a good one if I'm way to die uh that's a good one if I'm way to die uh that's a good one if I'm being honest it's a cool one it's a being honest it's a cool one it's a being honest it's a cool one it's a pretty cool one it'll become part of the pretty cool one it'll become part of the pretty cool one it'll become part of the part yeah yeah I mean there's it's I'm part yeah yeah I mean there's it's I'm part yeah yeah I mean there's it's I'm not even like joking there's a there's a not even like joking there's a there's a not even like joking there's a there's a Oneness to the whole thing Oneness to the whole thing Oneness to the whole thing ever all the stories just reading your ever all the stories just reading your ever all the stories just reading your work looking at your work I work looking at your work I work looking at your work I it seems like you are part of this it seems like you are part of this it seems like you are part of this machine that is nature the this this machine that is nature the this this machine that is nature the this this incredible incredible incredible machine like we all die machine like we all die machine like we all die and we're all part of this big thing

and we're all part of this big thing and we're all part of this big thing that humans do have the capability to that humans do have the capability to that humans do have the capability to also construct narratives and stories also construct narratives and stories also construct narratives and stories and myths and tell them to each other and myths and tell them to each other and myths and tell them to each other and share them with each other and have and share them with each other and have and share them with each other and have more sophisticated ways therefore to more sophisticated ways therefore to more sophisticated ways therefore to communicate love to each other but communicate love to each other but communicate love to each other but animals do as well they communicate love animals do as well they communicate love animals do as well they communicate love maybe more simply maybe more simply maybe more simply maybe more honestly maybe more honestly maybe more honestly anyway so you you were the Crocs and the anyway so you you were the Crocs and the anyway so you you were the Crocs and the fish fish fish yeah so I messed up I left the fish out yeah so I messed up I left the fish out yeah so I messed up I left the fish out Croc showed up outside my tent but in Croc showed up outside my tent but in Croc showed up outside my tent but in the end it was fine I I backed off they the end it was fine I I backed off they the end it was fine I I backed off they had their way with the fish and then had their way with the fish and then had their way with the fish and then they all started biting each other it they all started biting each other it they all started biting each other it was fun to watch is it a general story was fun to watch is it a general story was fun to watch is it a general story to interrupt is that a general rule you to interrupt is that a general rule you to interrupt is that a general rule you want to not leave want to not leave want to not leave yeah just like if you're camping in the yeah just like if you're camping in the yeah just like if you're camping in the Northeast you don't leave like you do a Northeast you don't leave like you do a Northeast you don't leave like you do a bear bag or a bear canister you don't bear bag or a bear canister you don't bear bag or a bear canister you don't you don't want to invite the wild you don't want to invite the wild you don't want to invite the wild animals I really did mess up I kind of animals I really did mess up I kind of animals I really did mess up I kind of was just like you know whatever I do was just like you know whatever I do was just like you know whatever I do this every now and then I get a little this every now and then I get a little this every now and then I get a little too Cavalier too Cavalier too Cavalier um and that the ocean is almost almost um and that the ocean is almost almost um and that the ocean is almost almost taken me down for that a few times taken me down for that a few times taken me down for that a few times um but yeah so the Crocs and then you um but yeah so the Crocs and then you um but yeah so the Crocs and then you keep going for a few days and my plan keep going for a few days and my plan keep going for a few days and my plan was to get to a point was to get to a point was to get to a point where I reached the end of the tributary where I reached the end of the tributary where I reached the end of the tributary and this had a very and this had a very and this had a very um um um you know again for me this is like a you know again for me this is like a you know again for me this is like a pilgrimage pilgrimage pilgrimage this is like this is like me going into this is like this is like me going into this is like this is like me going into the heart of the the very center and the heart of the the very center and the heart of the the very center and soul and essence of everything that I am soul and essence of everything that I am soul and essence of everything that I am fascinated with like as close to God as fascinated with like as close to God as fascinated with like as close to God as you can get because you're leaving every you can get because you're leaving every you can get because you're leaving every type of security every human type of security every human type of security every human relationship you're also pushing all

relationship you're also pushing all relationship you're also pushing all your chips in your chips in your chips in and so it's it's and so it's it's and so it's it's I you know the every step I took further I you know the every step I took further I you know the every step I took further up River it got weirder and weirder and up River it got weirder and weirder and up River it got weirder and weirder and more intense and every day and every more intense and every day and every more intense and every day and every moment it changed and I would I brought moment it changed and I would I brought moment it changed and I would I brought pictures at the time there's no way to pictures at the time there's no way to pictures at the time there's no way to keep a phone charged I didn't have like keep a phone charged I didn't have like keep a phone charged I didn't have like a power bank or anything a power bank or anything a power bank or anything um you know I brought pictures from home um you know I brought pictures from home um you know I brought pictures from home I brought a I brought a National I brought a I brought a National I brought a I brought a National Geographic magazine Geographic magazine Geographic magazine um something just to you know and um um something just to you know and um um something just to you know and um there came a day right when I was there came a day right when I was there came a day right when I was getting to the end like to the point getting to the end like to the point getting to the end like to the point where the river was so shallow that it where the river was so shallow that it where the river was so shallow that it was just a trickle and I was walking on was just a trickle and I was walking on was just a trickle and I was walking on the rocks and the Andes mountains were the rocks and the Andes mountains were the rocks and the Andes mountains were in front of me and I was like reaching in front of me and I was like reaching in front of me and I was like reaching the the place and the music was swelling the the place and the music was swelling the the place and the music was swelling and then and then and then all of a sudden I saw smoke around the all of a sudden I saw smoke around the all of a sudden I saw smoke around the next Bend next Bend next Bend and I I like my spine is reacting right and I I like my spine is reacting right and I I like my spine is reacting right now as I talk about it because I I knew now as I talk about it because I I knew now as I talk about it because I I knew I knew what I was going to see because I I knew what I was going to see because I I knew what I was going to see because I knew that it was impossible for loggers knew that it was impossible for loggers knew that it was impossible for loggers to be out there there's no motor that to be out there there's no motor that to be out there there's no motor that could take you the boat would have run could take you the boat would have run could take you the boat would have run aground miles ago and so I I went aground miles ago and so I I went aground miles ago and so I I went and this is the other this is the other and this is the other this is the other and this is the other this is the other idiot thing it's like just turn around idiot thing it's like just turn around idiot thing it's like just turn around yeah just do it I'm that kid though when yeah just do it I'm that kid though when yeah just do it I'm that kid though when you see like a wet paint sign like I you see like a wet paint sign like I you see like a wet paint sign like I walk by and I touch the wall yep and uh walk by and I touch the wall yep and uh walk by and I touch the wall yep and uh so I I I went around the bend and and I see I see a few naked people and and I see I see a few naked people on the beach on the beach on the beach and they see me and they see me and they see me and we're like a good distance apart and we're like a good distance apart and we're like a good distance apart it's there on the other side of the

it's there on the other side of the it's there on the other side of the river river river but you know arrow in hand bow in hand but you know arrow in hand bow in hand but you know arrow in hand bow in hand the the intention of pose they're the the intention of pose they're the the intention of pose they're looking at me they're clearly conversing looking at me they're clearly conversing looking at me they're clearly conversing and that moment lasted for a a long and that moment lasted for a a long and that moment lasted for a a long moment where I said moment where I said moment where I said this is the part of the story where they this is the part of the story where they this is the part of the story where they are going to are going to are going to rip me apart dissect me to see what I rip me apart dissect me to see what I rip me apart dissect me to see what I eat I mean every other story in the eat I mean every other story in the eat I mean every other story in the region that we've heard region that we've heard region that we've heard that's the ending of it if you're alone that's the ending of it if you're alone that's the ending of it if you're alone with these people it's not going to go with these people it's not going to go with these people it's not going to go well and I have nothing to defend myself well and I have nothing to defend myself well and I have nothing to defend myself with with with um and I just I turned and I ran for um and I just I turned and I ran for um and I just I turned and I ran for like three hours and I got in the river like three hours and I got in the river like three hours and I got in the river and I swam for a while and all my food and I swam for a while and all my food and I swam for a while and all my food got wet got wet got wet um I mean everything I just you know all um I mean everything I just you know all um I mean everything I just you know all right just ran for dear life and and my right just ran for dear life and and my right just ran for dear life and and my my get out plan the thing after I my get out plan the thing after I my get out plan the thing after I crossed the mountains and came down into crossed the mountains and came down into crossed the mountains and came down into the next tributary was I had a pack raft the next tributary was I had a pack raft the next tributary was I had a pack raft that's a tiny little inflatable raft that's a tiny little inflatable raft that's a tiny little inflatable raft good enough to handle Rapids and I good enough to handle Rapids and I good enough to handle Rapids and I inflated the pack raft once the once the inflated the pack raft once the once the inflated the pack raft once the once the river was like six inches deep I river was like six inches deep I river was like six inches deep I inflated the pack raft and I went and I inflated the pack raft and I went and I inflated the pack raft and I went and I went for the rest of that day into the went for the rest of that day into the went for the rest of that day into the night I went into the point that my night I went into the point that my night I went into the point that my headlamp died and I was just floating headlamp died and I was just floating headlamp died and I was just floating floating in a raft down the Amazon and floating in a raft down the Amazon and floating in a raft down the Amazon and hitting into things and I was like okay hitting into things and I was like okay hitting into things and I was like okay I'm gonna I'm gonna pop this raft so it I'm gonna I'm gonna pop this raft so it I'm gonna I'm gonna pop this raft so it got out of the raft to set up my tent got out of the raft to set up my tent got out of the raft to set up my tent and I was like I need some sleep I was and I was like I need some sleep I was and I was like I need some sleep I was freaking out I hadn't had food and now freaking out I hadn't had food and now freaking out I hadn't had food and now you know hours and hours and hours you know hours and hours and hours you know hours and hours and hours as soon as I fell asleep as soon as I fell asleep as soon as I fell asleep my asshole brain comes up with the dream my asshole brain comes up with the dream my asshole brain comes up with the dream of that I hear voices they're right of that I hear voices they're right of that I hear voices they're right outside the tent I just you know

outside the tent I just you know outside the tent I just you know sleeping was worse than being awake so I sleeping was worse than being awake so I sleeping was worse than being awake so I woke up got back in the tent and then at woke up got back in the tent and then at woke up got back in the tent and then at one point it was really cool because one one point it was really cool because one one point it was really cool because one of those one of the same black caiman of those one of the same black caiman of those one of the same black caiman that had come for the the fish as I'm that had come for the the fish as I'm that had come for the the fish as I'm going down river he came right up next going down river he came right up next going down river he came right up next to me and the two of us were going and to me and the two of us were going and to me and the two of us were going and he was just like motoring down river he was just like motoring down river he was just like motoring down river this giant like 16 foot crocodile he this giant like 16 foot crocodile he this giant like 16 foot crocodile he just like came up to me and like looked just like came up to me and like looked just like came up to me and like looked at me as I was going and it was funny at me as I was going and it was funny at me as I was going and it was funny because I wasn't scared of him I was because I wasn't scared of him I was because I wasn't scared of him I was scared of them scared of them scared of them and yeah it took me like a week to get and yeah it took me like a week to get and yeah it took me like a week to get back to town and and again the things back to town and and again the things back to town and and again the things you learn in these moments the the you you learn in these moments the the you you learn in these moments the the you know the appreciation for your parents know the appreciation for your parents know the appreciation for your parents the the the the the what a hug feels the the the the the what a hug feels the the the the the what a hug feels like like like you know when you when you are are faced you know when you when you are are faced you know when you when you are are faced with with with pretty much certainty that you're not pretty much certainty that you're not pretty much certainty that you're not gonna get those things again gonna get those things again gonna get those things again whether it's from MRSA or uncontacted whether it's from MRSA or uncontacted whether it's from MRSA or uncontacted tribes or you know tribes or you know tribes or you know um I find that that it brings it brings um I find that that it brings it brings um I find that that it brings it brings it brings you this new joy for life it brings you this new joy for life it brings you this new joy for life where you just being that close to death where you just being that close to death where you just being that close to death yeah you go yeah you go my God this is yeah you go yeah you go my God this is yeah you go yeah you go my God this is all a miracle all a miracle all a miracle it's sad because they're human just like it's sad because they're human just like it's sad because they're human just like you you you actually how different are they like if actually how different are they like if actually how different are they like if you were forced you were forced you were forced to interact for a week together where to interact for a week together where to interact for a week together where they can't they're not allowed to kill they can't they're not allowed to kill they can't they're not allowed to kill you you you like not allowed to kill me would they like not allowed to kill me would they like not allowed to kill me would they are they how fundamentally different are are they how fundamentally different are are they how fundamentally different are they do you think I don't think I think they do you think I don't think I think they do you think I don't think I think they're different I think they're like they're different I think they're like they're different I think they're like any other Amazonian natives um they're any other Amazonian natives um they're any other Amazonian natives um they're they're tall they seem to have tall they're tall they seem to have tall they're tall they seem to have tall genetics

genetics genetics um and there's places you know again um and there's places you know again um and there's places you know again there's there's what is known and then there's there's what is known and then there's there's what is known and then there's what we know down there like there's what we know down there like there's what we know down there like there's there's one Community where I there's there's one Community where I there's there's one Community where I don't know whether it was like a bad don't know whether it was like a bad don't know whether it was like a bad rainstorm or something but some kid from rainstorm or something but some kid from rainstorm or something but some kid from the uncontacted tribes did end up in a the uncontacted tribes did end up in a the uncontacted tribes did end up in a village and so we he learned village and so we he learned village and so we he learned Spanish or he learned whatever dialect Spanish or he learned whatever dialect Spanish or he learned whatever dialect they speak in that Village and so he's they speak in that Village and so he's they speak in that Village and so he's told us a little bit about what life was told us a little bit about what life was told us a little bit about what life was like with them but like they're just like with them but like they're just like with them but like they're just people people people they're just people they have their own they're just people they have their own they're just people they have their own culture they know about medicines that culture they know about medicines that culture they know about medicines that we don't know about they definitely have we don't know about they definitely have we don't know about they definitely have hunting practices that that we don't hunting practices that that we don't hunting practices that that we don't understand they can hit a spider monkey understand they can hit a spider monkey understand they can hit a spider monkey out of a 160 foot tree with a bamboo out of a 160 foot tree with a bamboo out of a 160 foot tree with a bamboo Arrow we can't do that Arrow we can't do that Arrow we can't do that I mean they are incredible hunters and I mean they are incredible hunters and I mean they are incredible hunters and also like living naked in the jungle also like living naked in the jungle also like living naked in the jungle with the bot flies and the mosquitoes with the bot flies and the mosquitoes with the bot flies and the mosquitoes I don't know how they do it like I don't know how they do it like I don't know how they do it like sometimes at night and again we don't sometimes at night and again we don't sometimes at night and again we don't have night vision whereas almost every have night vision whereas almost every have night vision whereas almost every other animal does other animal does other animal does and sometimes we'll be sitting you know and sometimes we'll be sitting you know and sometimes we'll be sitting you know on our you know at the research station on our you know at the research station on our you know at the research station at night and we'll be just drinking and at night and we'll be just drinking and at night and we'll be just drinking and like looking out and at the you know like looking out and at the you know like looking out and at the you know we'll scare each other we'll go you know we'll scare each other we'll go you know we'll scare each other we'll go you know we realize if they were out there right we realize if they were out there right we realize if they were out there right now they could be looking at us and it's now they could be looking at us and it's now they could be looking at us and it's like the truth is is that when it's dark like the truth is is that when it's dark like the truth is is that when it's dark out there out there out there they can't see they can't see they can't see it's not easy to start a fire with it's not easy to start a fire with it's not easy to start a fire with matches and a lighter and gasoline they matches and a lighter and gasoline they matches and a lighter and gasoline they do it with friction do it with friction do it with friction they have some some beads on Survival they have some some beads on Survival they have some some beads on Survival that we could really learn from that we could really learn from that we could really learn from um um um not to mention that then you have people not to mention that then you have people not to mention that then you have people that believe that they are actually the that believe that they are actually the that believe that they are actually the Guardians of the extinct giant ground

Guardians of the extinct giant ground Guardians of the extinct giant ground sloth and what they're doing is you know sloth and what they're doing is you know sloth and what they're doing is you know living out there because they're living out there because they're living out there because they're protecting a secret population of protecting a secret population of protecting a secret population of previously extinct megafauna but there's previously extinct megafauna but there's previously extinct megafauna but there's all kinds I mean this it's like you you all kinds I mean this it's like you you all kinds I mean this it's like you you go into the crypto world so quick I've go into the crypto world so quick I've go into the crypto world so quick I've heard so many people be like heard so many people be like heard so many people be like but then again you have to be humble at but then again you have to be humble at but then again you have to be humble at how little we know about how little we know about how little we know about about that world about the world of life about that world about the world of life about that world about the world of life like you said there's so much of life in like you said there's so much of life in like you said there's so much of life in the Amazon that we don't uh creatures the Amazon that we don't uh creatures the Amazon that we don't uh creatures with no names with no names with no names tons of them we could go out on a night tons of them we could go out on a night tons of them we could go out on a night walk right now and I could show you walk right now and I could show you walk right now and I could show you something that you know you I've done it something that you know you I've done it something that you know you I've done it you you pick up a bug and you go you you pick up a bug and you go you you pick up a bug and you go that doesn't look right that doesn't look right that doesn't look right that's not right he's got three heads that's not right he's got three heads that's not right he's got three heads yeah you know and then you send it to to yeah you know and then you send it to to yeah you know and then you send it to to the the greatest expert on that genus of the the greatest expert on that genus of the the greatest expert on that genus of insects and and they go look insects and and they go look insects and and they go look I got no idea and you're talking to a I got no idea and you're talking to a I got no idea and you're talking to a world expert and it's like that's it and world expert and it's like that's it and world expert and it's like that's it and then 50 of the life is up in the canopy then 50 of the life is up in the canopy then 50 of the life is up in the canopy and so like we started climbing the and so like we started climbing the and so like we started climbing the trees like rock climbing like what Alex trees like rock climbing like what Alex trees like rock climbing like what Alex Honnold does like well like I'll climb Honnold does like well like I'll climb Honnold does like well like I'll climb up 50 feet and then I'll put a safety up 50 feet and then I'll put a safety up 50 feet and then I'll put a safety like I'm basically Trad climbing and like I'm basically Trad climbing and like I'm basically Trad climbing and then I'll climb up another 50 feet and then I'll climb up another 50 feet and then I'll climb up another 50 feet and I'll have JJ belaying me from below and I'll have JJ belaying me from below and I'll have JJ belaying me from below and then I'll be like oh look a snake I'm then I'll be like oh look a snake I'm then I'll be like oh look a snake I'm like JJ like JJ like JJ pay attention to get up there and the pay attention to get up there and the pay attention to get up there and the the branches are as thick as this table the branches are as thick as this table the branches are as thick as this table so you can like walk around freely oh so you can like walk around freely oh so you can like walk around freely oh it's like total like Avatar when they're it's like total like Avatar when they're it's like total like Avatar when they're in the floating islands like you can you in the floating islands like you can you in the floating islands like you can you can go run around if that's what you can go run around if that's what you can go run around if that's what you want to do want to do want to do bromeliads orchids cactuses because up bromeliads orchids cactuses because up bromeliads orchids cactuses because up there it's against the Sun so it's a there it's against the Sun so it's a there it's against the Sun so it's a different environment oh wow yeah different environment oh wow yeah different environment oh wow yeah interesting

interesting interesting um and then you start seeing lizards and um and then you start seeing lizards and um and then you start seeing lizards and snakes and birds and things that aren't snakes and birds and things that aren't snakes and birds and things that aren't down on the ground down on the ground down on the ground and so how many scientists have actually and so how many scientists have actually and so how many scientists have actually gotten to really spend time up there and gotten to really spend time up there and gotten to really spend time up there and really inventory the life that's why really inventory the life that's why really inventory the life that's why when you hear about you like it it's when you hear about you like it it's when you hear about you like it it's like a taxonomical discussion of how like a taxonomical discussion of how like a taxonomical discussion of how many species there are on earth they're many species there are on earth they're many species there are on earth they're like between you know 10 and 30 million like between you know 10 and 30 million like between you know 10 and 30 million and it's like well that's a big and it's like well that's a big and it's like well that's a big ha it's a big swing ha it's a big swing ha it's a big swing what about stuff on the ground so you what about stuff on the ground so you what about stuff on the ground so you mentioned some insects what about bullet mentioned some insects what about bullet mentioned some insects what about bullet ants ants ants so supposed to be the most painful bite so supposed to be the most painful bite so supposed to be the most painful bite in the world you've been bitten by one in the world you've been bitten by one in the world you've been bitten by one seven or eight times yeah what does it seven or eight times yeah what does it seven or eight times yeah what does it feel like okay so the first time that we feel like okay so the first time that we feel like okay so the first time that we ever did bullet ants um ever did bullet ants um ever did bullet ants um JJ said you know okay this is what we're JJ said you know okay this is what we're JJ said you know okay this is what we're gonna do he goes you know it's bullet gonna do he goes you know it's bullet gonna do he goes you know it's bullet ant roulette we're gonna get a bullet ant roulette we're gonna get a bullet ant roulette we're gonna get a bullet ant and we get like Chopsticks you like ant and we get like Chopsticks you like ant and we get like Chopsticks you like pick up this bullet ant and they're big pick up this bullet ant and they're big pick up this bullet ant and they're big they're big and they're tough like they're big and they're tough like they're big and they're tough like he goes we're gonna put our forearms he goes we're gonna put our forearms he goes we're gonna put our forearms together and we're gonna drop the bullet together and we're gonna drop the bullet together and we're gonna drop the bullet ant and clamp our forearms together and ant and clamp our forearms together and ant and clamp our forearms together and just rub and whoever whoever it takes it just rub and whoever whoever it takes it just rub and whoever whoever it takes it takes yeah of course JJ did not get takes yeah of course JJ did not get takes yeah of course JJ did not get stung and I did and it hurts every bit stung and I did and it hurts every bit stung and I did and it hurts every bit as much as they say it hurts it really as much as they say it hurts it really as much as they say it hurts it really let me have it and then and then I was let me have it and then and then I was let me have it and then and then I was like hitting my arm against the table to like hitting my arm against the table to like hitting my arm against the table to try and like kill it or get it off but try and like kill it or get it off but try and like kill it or get it off but it was holding on and just like really it was holding on and just like really it was holding on and just like really injecting the Venom injecting the Venom injecting the Venom and uh yeah really letting you have it and uh yeah really letting you have it and uh yeah really letting you have it and then it it travels up and it goes and then it it travels up and it goes and then it it travels up and it goes into your like lymph nodes and and into into your like lymph nodes and and into into your like lymph nodes and and into your here and you get a headache and and your here and you get a headache and and your here and you get a headache and and I think the the the brilliant thing I think the the the brilliant thing I think the the the brilliant thing about the

about the about the the the Venom of a bullet ant is that it the the Venom of a bullet ant is that it the the Venom of a bullet ant is that it makes you feel like like this this makes you feel like like this this makes you feel like like this this feeling of alarm it makes you feel like feeling of alarm it makes you feel like feeling of alarm it makes you feel like something's wrong you don't just go ow something's wrong you don't just go ow something's wrong you don't just go ow this hurts like it's like a bee sting or this hurts like it's like a bee sting or this hurts like it's like a bee sting or you oh this really hurts on my hand it's you oh this really hurts on my hand it's you oh this really hurts on my hand it's like no no no your whole nervous system like no no no your whole nervous system like no no no your whole nervous system is freaking out and you start sweating is freaking out and you start sweating is freaking out and you start sweating and then you get cold and then you're and then you get cold and then you're and then you get cold and then you're tired then you get a little blurry tired then you get a little blurry tired then you get a little blurry vision and it's like that's actually vision and it's like that's actually vision and it's like that's actually that bad I mean now after six or seven I that bad I mean now after six or seven I that bad I mean now after six or seven I get bitten and I'm like kind of okay it's a full body full mind experience it's a full body full mind experience but then there's places in the Amazon but then there's places in the Amazon but then there's places in the Amazon where they you know stick their hand in where they you know stick their hand in where they you know stick their hand in a glove with like 70 of them right and I a glove with like 70 of them right and I a glove with like 70 of them right and I think Stevo did that which I I would I think Stevo did that which I I would I think Stevo did that which I I would I just don't understand how you could do just don't understand how you could do just don't understand how you could do that without going into complete that without going into complete that without going into complete anaphylactic shock and dying because one anaphylactic shock and dying because one anaphylactic shock and dying because one really sucks really sucks really sucks uh well it's just like just like we said uh well it's just like just like we said uh well it's just like just like we said with animals and with humans there's with animals and with humans there's with animals and with humans there's different kinds there's different kinds different kinds there's different kinds different kinds there's different kinds definitely uh especially unique the definitely uh especially unique the definitely uh especially unique the first of a species first of a species first of a species um um um hoof it's interesting to think about it's interesting to think about what kind of civilizations have there what kind of civilizations have there what kind of civilizations have there been yeah this is something that you've been yeah this is something that you've been yeah this is something that you've talked about a little bit uh Graham talked about a little bit uh Graham talked about a little bit uh Graham Hancock has written about Hancock has written about Hancock has written about ancient civilizations instead of ancient civilizations instead of ancient civilizations instead of challenging the conventionals of the challenging the conventionals of the challenging the conventionals of the mainstream thinking about the the mainstream thinking about the the mainstream thinking about the the civilizations that have been there in

civilizations that have been there in civilizations that have been there in the Amazon can you Steel Man and the Amazon can you Steel Man and the Amazon can you Steel Man and criticize the idea so the pro and the criticize the idea so the pro and the criticize the idea so the pro and the con are the idea that there have been con are the idea that there have been con are the idea that there have been ancient Advanced ancient civilizations ancient Advanced ancient civilizations ancient Advanced ancient civilizations in the Amazon like how much do we know in the Amazon like how much do we know in the Amazon like how much do we know what are all the possibilities of what's what are all the possibilities of what's what are all the possibilities of what's in the Amazon in this past so like when in the Amazon in this past so like when in the Amazon in this past so like when orianna went down the Amazon the reports orianna went down the Amazon the reports orianna went down the Amazon the reports were that there was great civilizations were that there was great civilizations were that there was great civilizations in the Amazon and then you know a few in the Amazon and then you know a few in the Amazon and then you know a few hundred years later when people got to hundred years later when people got to hundred years later when people got to actually check up on this stuff it was actually check up on this stuff it was actually check up on this stuff it was all gone and so was that because of all gone and so was that because of all gone and so was that because of disease that we wiped out all these disease that we wiped out all these disease that we wiped out all these civilizations and these communities of civilizations and these communities of civilizations and these communities of people potentially probably people potentially probably people potentially probably was he just wrong probably not this is a was he just wrong probably not this is a was he just wrong probably not this is a guy that navigated by the stars back to guy that navigated by the stars back to guy that navigated by the stars back to Spain after building his own boat like Spain after building his own boat like Spain after building his own boat like yeah or did he you know or was he trying yeah or did he you know or was he trying yeah or did he you know or was he trying to just I don't know I don't know but to just I don't know I don't know but to just I don't know I don't know but they're clearly they're clearly they're clearly is a long history of complex is a long history of complex is a long history of complex civilizations in the Amazon 100 there's civilizations in the Amazon 100 there's civilizations in the Amazon 100 there's no one that can deny that no one that can deny that no one that can deny that the thing that I reacted to was that the thing that I reacted to was that the thing that I reacted to was that I've heard videos I've seen moments in I've heard videos I've seen moments in I've heard videos I've seen moments in podcasts where the narrative becomes not podcasts where the narrative becomes not podcasts where the narrative becomes not there's more ancient civilization there's more ancient civilization there's more ancient civilization information in the Amazon than we information in the Amazon than we information in the Amazon than we previously thought true statement we're previously thought true statement we're previously thought true statement we're discovering with lidar and this is what discovering with lidar and this is what discovering with lidar and this is what Graham Hancock is talking about that Graham Hancock is talking about that Graham Hancock is talking about that we're discovering constantly that we're discovering constantly that we're discovering constantly that there's there was more civilizations there's there was more civilizations there's there was more civilizations than we thought in various places than we thought in various places than we thought in various places the place where I take the place where I take the place where I take offense is where

offense is where offense is where they start to say that the Amazon they start to say that the Amazon they start to say that the Amazon there's actually articles that that are there's actually articles that that are there's actually articles that that are titled this that the Amazon is a titled this that the Amazon is a titled this that the Amazon is a man-made Garden man-made Garden man-made Garden which is not true so the actual which I which is not true so the actual which I which is not true so the actual which I think is a really different idea that think is a really different idea that think is a really different idea that the uh the entire ecosystem everything the uh the entire ecosystem everything the uh the entire ecosystem everything we've been talking about all the species we've been talking about all the species we've been talking about all the species uh all the forestry and the different uh all the forestry and the different uh all the forestry and the different just life life one of the most diverse just life life one of the most diverse just life life one of the most diverse ecosystems on Earth is initially created ecosystems on Earth is initially created ecosystems on Earth is initially created by humans by humans by humans ridiculous well it's not first of all ridiculous well it's not first of all ridiculous well it's not first of all it's unlikely but it's not ridiculous so it's unlikely but it's not ridiculous so it's unlikely but it's not ridiculous so we can't well there's no ridiculous in we can't well there's no ridiculous in we can't well there's no ridiculous in um um um in science in science in science no but the complexity of life is very no but the complexity of life is very no but the complexity of life is very difficult to engineer as as you the more difficult to engineer as as you the more difficult to engineer as as you the more you study about biological systems and you study about biological systems and you study about biological systems and so on it's very difficult to create the so on it's very difficult to create the so on it's very difficult to create the kind of things that nature is able to do kind of things that nature is able to do kind of things that nature is able to do that said I don't know if you've heard that said I don't know if you've heard that said I don't know if you've heard but the entire Earth the world has gone but the entire Earth the world has gone but the entire Earth the world has gone through pandemic recently through pandemic recently through pandemic recently and if and everybody said of course it's and if and everybody said of course it's and if and everybody said of course it's natural Origins viruses mutate all the natural Origins viruses mutate all the natural Origins viruses mutate all the time time time and nevertheless it seems more and more and nevertheless it seems more and more and nevertheless it seems more and more likely than this particular case it was likely than this particular case it was likely than this particular case it was of an artificial origin leaked from a of an artificial origin leaked from a of an artificial origin leaked from a lab so humans are able to create stuff lab so humans are able to create stuff lab so humans are able to create stuff at least modern technological uh genetic at least modern technological uh genetic at least modern technological uh genetic engineering made golden retrievers

engineering made golden retrievers engineering made golden retrievers come on come on come on you can't be that nice and that good you can't be that nice and that good you can't be that nice and that good looking looking looking I used to be a wolf yeah but so that I used to be a wolf yeah but so that I used to be a wolf yeah but so that bothers you because it it allows you to bothers you because it it allows you to bothers you because it it allows you to think that think that think that um we don't need to preserve the Amazon um we don't need to preserve the Amazon um we don't need to preserve the Amazon we can always engineer it yeah exactly we can always engineer it yeah exactly we can always engineer it yeah exactly then just this is just to me that's a then just this is just to me that's a then just this is just to me that's a slippery slope like I totally I'm it's slippery slope like I totally I'm it's slippery slope like I totally I'm it's just it's so quick from I'm a fan of just it's so quick from I'm a fan of just it's so quick from I'm a fan of expeditions to find ecological ruins and expeditions to find ecological ruins and expeditions to find ecological ruins and and to learn more about the ancient and to learn more about the ancient and to learn more about the ancient civilizations to which I don't think is civilizations to which I don't think is civilizations to which I don't think is what he's putting out is that then sort what he's putting out is that then sort what he's putting out is that then sort of like news articles which I think of like news articles which I think of like news articles which I think they're trying to bait you where they're they're trying to bait you where they're they're trying to bait you where they're going was the Amazon man-made and it's going was the Amazon man-made and it's going was the Amazon man-made and it's like like like you know because then you get you're you know because then you get you're you know because then you get you're going to get a Brazilian president to go going to get a Brazilian president to go going to get a Brazilian president to go see see what they said it's man-made so see see what they said it's man-made so see see what they said it's man-made so we might as well continue to engineer it we might as well continue to engineer it we might as well continue to engineer it and manage it and it's like there's such and manage it and it's like there's such and manage it and it's like there's such complex systems and interactions and complex systems and interactions and complex systems and interactions and such a such a giant Web of Life there such a such a giant Web of Life there such a such a giant Web of Life there that that that at least in my opinion at least in my opinion at least in my opinion is clearly one of the most authentically is clearly one of the most authentically is clearly one of the most authentically natural things and again are there natural things and again are there natural things and again are there things that we've engineered did the things that we've engineered did the things that we've engineered did the uncontacted tribes sometimes they they uncontacted tribes sometimes they they uncontacted tribes sometimes they they have banana plants that they've stolen have banana plants that they've stolen have banana plants that they've stolen and we could see it from the air that and we could see it from the air that and we could see it from the air that they've they have banana plants we made they've they have banana plants we made they've they have banana plants we made banana plants that's engineered by us we banana plants that's engineered by us we banana plants that's engineered by us we know for a fact know for a fact know for a fact um so agricultural engineering um so agricultural engineering um so agricultural engineering agricultural engineering and stuff like agricultural engineering and stuff like agricultural engineering and stuff like that but suggesting that the Amazon that but suggesting that the Amazon that but suggesting that the Amazon basin you know it's just it's just a basin you know it's just it's just a basin you know it's just it's just a weird way to think about it I've just weird way to think about it I've just weird way to think about it I've just heard people heard people heard people dismiss the conservative the protection

dismiss the conservative the protection dismiss the conservative the protection of the Amazon based on the fact they're of the Amazon based on the fact they're of the Amazon based on the fact they're like oh well if people made it and it's like oh well if people made it and it's like oh well if people made it and it's such a giant leap from from from the such a giant leap from from from the such a giant leap from from from the from zero to a hundred from zero to a hundred from zero to a hundred um you know is there slash and burn that um you know is there slash and burn that um you know is there slash and burn that the ancient civilizations did of course the ancient civilizations did of course the ancient civilizations did of course are there areas that were affected by are there areas that were affected by are there areas that were affected by people of course I just get worried when people of course I just get worried when people of course I just get worried when we start talking about it was a man-made we start talking about it was a man-made we start talking about it was a man-made thing here you loud and clear on that thing here you loud and clear on that thing here you loud and clear on that and I personally think that's completely and I personally think that's completely and I personally think that's completely separate from wondering about what the separate from wondering about what the separate from wondering about what the ancient civilization have been able to ancient civilization have been able to ancient civilization have been able to accomplish oh sure it's almost really accomplish oh sure it's almost really accomplish oh sure it's almost really sad because if all the humans on Earth sad because if all the humans on Earth sad because if all the humans on Earth die no how long does it take before all die no how long does it take before all die no how long does it take before all signs of humans ever exist and disappear signs of humans ever exist and disappear signs of humans ever exist and disappear oh for the most part oh for the most part oh for the most part [Music] [Music] [Music] um from an alien perspective um from an alien perspective um from an alien perspective what timeline are we talking about I what timeline are we talking about I what timeline are we talking about I mean like I mean there's there's a mean like I mean there's there's a mean like I mean there's there's a hundred thousand years like it could be hundred thousand years like it could be hundred thousand years like it could be less it could be less it could be like a less it could be less it could be like a less it could be less it could be like a few thousand because a hundred thousand few thousand because a hundred thousand few thousand because a hundred thousand is complete destruction 100 000 is like is complete destruction 100 000 is like is complete destruction 100 000 is like nothing but but then it could be in just nothing but but then it could be in just nothing but but then it could be in just a few hundred years yes it starts a few hundred years yes it starts a few hundred years yes it starts becoming you're gonna the government of becoming you're gonna the government of becoming you're gonna the government of the alien civilization is gonna have to the alien civilization is gonna have to the alien civilization is gonna have to pay quite a bit of money to do the pay quite a bit of money to do the pay quite a bit of money to do the research right because they're going to research right because they're going to research right because they're going to find other life first trying to find the find other life first trying to find the find other life first trying to find the Dolphins in the fish and so on they're Dolphins in the fish and so on they're Dolphins in the fish and so on they're gonna find the trees maybe the trees are gonna find the trees maybe the trees are gonna find the trees maybe the trees are the interesting thing sure the buildings the interesting thing sure the buildings the interesting thing sure the buildings are not that interesting humans but are not that interesting humans but are not that interesting humans but there must be examples of cities that there must be examples of cities that there must be examples of cities that have been left have been left have been left on unattended for a few decades and like on unattended for a few decades and like on unattended for a few decades and like how quickly the

how quickly the how quickly the the plants push up through the street the plants push up through the street the plants push up through the street and everything starts to get broken down and everything starts to get broken down and everything starts to get broken down if you really look you'll be like oh if you really look you'll be like oh if you really look you'll be like oh that's some interesting geometry here that's some interesting geometry here that's some interesting geometry here for the buildings and so on but most for the buildings and so on but most for the buildings and so on but most most of the most computer stuff yeah all most of the most computer stuff yeah all most of the most computer stuff yeah all all the stuff of the past 100 years the all the stuff of the past 100 years the all the stuff of the past 100 years the airplanes all that all the Technologies airplanes all that all the Technologies airplanes all that all the Technologies all the paperwork that all the hard all the paperwork that all the hard all the paperwork that all the hard drives that store all the information I drives that store all the information I drives that store all the information I want to I want to actually know how long want to I want to actually know how long want to I want to actually know how long it takes like a 747 to like biodegrade it takes like a 747 to like biodegrade it takes like a 747 to like biodegrade like how like if you just leave it there like how like if you just leave it there like how like if you just leave it there sitting on the runway Society stops yeah sitting on the runway Society stops yeah sitting on the runway Society stops yeah how long does it take for that thing to how long does it take for that thing to how long does it take for that thing to disappear like that's completely versus disappear like that's completely versus disappear like that's completely versus uh to a point where it's on a definable uh to a point where it's on a definable uh to a point where it's on a definable it might be different but sure I mean it might be different but sure I mean it might be different but sure I mean the point I'm trying to say here is as the point I'm trying to say here is as the point I'm trying to say here is as you've brilliantly put the the Amazon you've brilliantly put the the Amazon you've brilliantly put the the Amazon churns yeah oh yeah and the fact that I churns yeah oh yeah and the fact that I churns yeah oh yeah and the fact that I wonder throughout its history wonder throughout its history wonder throughout its history what are the peaks of the awesomeness what are the peaks of the awesomeness what are the peaks of the awesomeness well how many banana how many well how many banana how many well how many banana how many agricultural Einsteins of bananas yeah agricultural Einsteins of bananas yeah agricultural Einsteins of bananas yeah were there they're creating different were there they're creating different were there they're creating different kinds of ideas different kinds of kinds of ideas different kinds of kinds of ideas different kinds of geometries different kinds of tools but geometries different kinds of tools but geometries different kinds of tools but yeah look what the Incas did I mean the yeah look what the Incas did I mean the yeah look what the Incas did I mean the Incas you know Machu Picchu I mean when Incas you know Machu Picchu I mean when Incas you know Machu Picchu I mean when they found when Hiram Bigham found Machu they found when Hiram Bigham found Machu they found when Hiram Bigham found Machu Picchu was covered in Jungle you could Picchu was covered in Jungle you could Picchu was covered in Jungle you could hardly see it and I mean the the stone hardly see it and I mean the the stone hardly see it and I mean the the stone work they did much like what the work they did much like what the work they did much like what the Egyptians did with the pyramids a lot of Egyptians did with the pyramids a lot of Egyptians did with the pyramids a lot of it we don't really understand how they it we don't really understand how they it we don't really understand how they did it if you come to the Jungle you got did it if you come to the Jungle you got did it if you come to the Jungle you got to go to Machu Picchu because it's not to go to Machu Picchu because it's not to go to Machu Picchu because it's not far from there and I usually like I'm far from there and I usually like I'm far from there and I usually like I'm I'm the person like I I won't I don't

I'm the person like I I won't I don't I'm the person like I I won't I don't usually go see like the you know like usually go see like the you know like usually go see like the you know like I've never been to see the Taj Mahal I've never been to see the Taj Mahal I've never been to see the Taj Mahal after living in India for five years after living in India for five years after living in India for five years like I'm just not but when you look up like I'm just not but when you look up like I'm just not but when you look up and you see Machu Picchu you go and you see Machu Picchu you go and you see Machu Picchu you go either they were communicating with the either they were communicating with the either they were communicating with the gods there or these people were so smart gods there or these people were so smart gods there or these people were so smart that they knew that anybody they brought that they knew that anybody they brought that they knew that anybody they brought they were going to impress they were going to impress they were going to impress they they they they've built something there that when they've built something there that when they've built something there that when you look up at that mountain you go whoa you look up at that mountain you go whoa you look up at that mountain you go whoa with those giant Stones the beauty of it with those giant Stones the beauty of it with those giant Stones the beauty of it you know it's just it's just stunning to you know it's just it's just stunning to you know it's just it's just stunning to imagine that there was this culture of imagine that there was this culture of imagine that there was this culture of people that that could achieve this and people that that could achieve this and people that that could achieve this and so through the Amazon I mean that's sort so through the Amazon I mean that's sort so through the Amazon I mean that's sort of up in the Andes but of up in the Andes but of up in the Andes but there's all kinds of stuff in the Amazon there's all kinds of stuff in the Amazon there's all kinds of stuff in the Amazon there are places where they say there's there are places where they say there's there are places where they say there's can um pyramids beneath the canopy can um pyramids beneath the canopy can um pyramids beneath the canopy that we just don't know about that we just don't know about that we just don't know about um I mean there's it's endless if you um I mean there's it's endless if you um I mean there's it's endless if you had uh billions of dollars trillions of had uh billions of dollars trillions of had uh billions of dollars trillions of dollars well what would be the efforts dollars well what would be the efforts dollars well what would be the efforts in the Amazon in the Amazon in the Amazon for the for both conservation and for for the for both conservation and for for the for both conservation and for exploration all right well first let's exploration all right well first let's exploration all right well first let's get tied together yeah exactly first get tied together yeah exactly first get tied together yeah exactly first arrest the the deforestation so we don't arrest the the deforestation so we don't arrest the the deforestation so we don't have an ecological crisis on our hands have an ecological crisis on our hands have an ecological crisis on our hands we don't want to keep losing species we don't want to keep losing species we don't want to keep losing species losing indigenous cultures losing the losing indigenous cultures losing the losing indigenous cultures losing the climate stabilizing services that the climate stabilizing services that the climate stabilizing services that the Amazon provides as a whole stop that Amazon provides as a whole stop that Amazon provides as a whole stop that that's my first mission next then we can that's my first mission next then we can that's my first mission next then we can play play play and then it's like let's go find I mean and then it's like let's go find I mean and then it's like let's go find I mean you I've flown over the Amazon and you I've flown over the Amazon and you I've flown over the Amazon and assessment it's like you see things assessment it's like you see things assessment it's like you see things where you go we have to go see what that

where you go we have to go see what that where you go we have to go see what that is you know weird lakes or shapes in the is you know weird lakes or shapes in the is you know weird lakes or shapes in the jungle that don't make sense that are jungle that don't make sense that are jungle that don't make sense that are that are that are strange and like so that are that are strange and like so that are that are strange and like so even at that level you can see weirdness even at that level you can see weirdness even at that level you can see weirdness you can see different oh yeah like signs you can see different oh yeah like signs you can see different oh yeah like signs of possible awesomeness oh the jungle is of possible awesomeness oh the jungle is of possible awesomeness oh the jungle is so weird and here's the other thing is so weird and here's the other thing is so weird and here's the other thing is that most that most that most so like the region I've been working in so like the region I've been working in so like the region I've been working in you see you see you see where the researchers go the certain where the researchers go the certain where the researchers go the certain biological stations the certain places biological stations the certain places biological stations the certain places where like oh like this university has a where like oh like this university has a where like oh like this university has a relationship with this this for relationship with this this for relationship with this this for Universal is this so everybody goes to Universal is this so everybody goes to Universal is this so everybody goes to the same few study sites and then they the same few study sites and then they the same few study sites and then they walk on the same trails and they have walk on the same trails and they have walk on the same trails and they have the same guides when you fly in a Cessna the same guides when you fly in a Cessna the same guides when you fly in a Cessna and you fly and you fly and you fly few hours away from all that and you see few hours away from all that and you see few hours away from all that and you see a tiny little tributary and then you fly a tiny little tributary and then you fly a tiny little tributary and then you fly for 40 minutes over unbroken green just for 40 minutes over unbroken green just for 40 minutes over unbroken green just wild before you reach another tributary wild before you reach another tributary wild before you reach another tributary even if somebody could survive going up even if somebody could survive going up even if somebody could survive going up that tributary had the expeditionary that tributary had the expeditionary that tributary had the expeditionary expertise and the ability to survive expertise and the ability to survive expertise and the ability to survive getting shot at by arrows if they could getting shot at by arrows if they could getting shot at by arrows if they could get up that tributary get up that tributary get up that tributary now now now cut perpendicular into the jungle which cut perpendicular into the jungle which cut perpendicular into the jungle which I don't do on the solos you can't you I don't do on the solos you can't you I don't do on the solos you can't you can never don't ever leave the river can never don't ever leave the river can never don't ever leave the river but you tell me that in that span of 70 but you tell me that in that span of 70 but you tell me that in that span of 70 miles between tiny tributaries at the miles between tiny tributaries at the miles between tiny tributaries at the edge of the world no one's been there edge of the world no one's been there edge of the world no one's been there none of us have been there you know none of us have been there you know none of us have been there you know maybe somebody 10 000 years ago was maybe somebody 10 000 years ago was maybe somebody 10 000 years ago was there but we don't know what populations there but we don't know what populations there but we don't know what populations of things are there we don't know what of things are there we don't know what of things are there we don't know what ruins are there ruins are there ruins are there and so there's so much undiscovered and so there's so much undiscovered and so there's so much undiscovered stuff in the Amazon that is

stuff in the Amazon that is stuff in the Amazon that is just waiting just waiting just waiting just waiting just waiting just waiting what what is the process of exploring what what is the process of exploring what what is the process of exploring that so how does money get converted that so how does money get converted that so how does money get converted towards exploration towards exploration towards exploration is there is there is there is there safe ways of doing that there's is there safe ways of doing that there's is there safe ways of doing that there's places where you know we found out about places where you know we found out about places where you know we found out about things that have to be explored but things that have to be explored but things that have to be explored but where you come up with well how do we do where you come up with well how do we do where you come up with well how do we do this without getting shot and all and this without getting shot and all and this without getting shot and all and not only without getting shot but also not only without getting shot but also not only without getting shot but also without endangering them too without endangering them too without endangering them too because how stupid are we if we if we go because how stupid are we if we if we go because how stupid are we if we if we go in there to people that are living in in there to people that are living in in there to people that are living in the jungle not bothering us and we go the jungle not bothering us and we go the jungle not bothering us and we go insert ourselves into there because insert ourselves into there because insert ourselves into there because we're curious about some rocks we're curious about some rocks we're curious about some rocks as that doesn't seem fair for the loss as that doesn't seem fair for the loss as that doesn't seem fair for the loss of life and So like of life and So like of life and So like um but yeah that's that's something that um but yeah that's that's something that um but yeah that's that's something that we're working on and like one thing of we're working on and like one thing of we're working on and like one thing of course is like lidar and stuff but course is like lidar and stuff but course is like lidar and stuff but eventually eventually at the end of eventually eventually at the end of eventually eventually at the end of everything it comes down to boots on the everything it comes down to boots on the everything it comes down to boots on the ground yeah as somebody who has to ask ground yeah as somebody who has to ask ground yeah as somebody who has to ask that very question about how to deal that very question about how to deal that very question about how to deal with uncontacted tribes they're they're with uncontacted tribes they're they're with uncontacted tribes they're they're going to kill you going to kill you going to kill you but you also don't want to disturb their but you also don't want to disturb their but you also don't want to disturb their environment if you were an intelligent environment if you were an intelligent environment if you were an intelligent alien civilization oh boy alien civilization oh boy alien civilization oh boy and you came about Earth and you came about Earth and you came about Earth how how would you interact with it can how how would you interact with it can how how would you interact with it can you put yourself in the mind of an you put yourself in the mind of an you put yourself in the mind of an aliens civilization because there seems aliens civilization because there seems aliens civilization because there seems to be some parallels here to be some parallels here to be some parallels here it is actually right it's like a it is actually right it's like a it is actually right it's like a microcosm of we're very aggressive human microcosm of we're very aggressive human microcosm of we're very aggressive human civilization is very aggressive so if we civilization is very aggressive so if we civilization is very aggressive so if we were easily we get threatened easily

were easily we get threatened easily were easily we get threatened easily yeah yeah yeah for stupid reasons because we start like for stupid reasons because we start like for stupid reasons because we start like American Military probably thinks it's American Military probably thinks it's American Military probably thinks it's like the Chinese or the Russians like the Chinese or the Russians like the Chinese or the Russians if we see any kind of flying objects it if we see any kind of flying objects it if we see any kind of flying objects it gets very on edge I don't know I mean gets very on edge I don't know I mean gets very on edge I don't know I mean because you know part of it is like you because you know part of it is like you because you know part of it is like you just want to ask like that's the thing I just want to ask like that's the thing I just want to ask like that's the thing I just want to ask questions yeah but you just want to ask questions yeah but you just want to ask questions yeah but you know but you don't know the same know but you don't know the same know but you don't know the same language yeah you're going to get first language yeah you're going to get first language yeah you're going to get first of all you send a photo bananas you send of all you send a photo bananas you send of all you send a photo bananas you send a butter bananas you get shot a butter bananas you get shot a butter bananas you get shot um I mean picture if aliens landed in um I mean picture if aliens landed in um I mean picture if aliens landed in New York how long would it take for one New York how long would it take for one New York how long would it take for one of them to get shot three minutes if of them to get shot three minutes if of them to get shot three minutes if you're a matter of minutes yeah that's you're a matter of minutes yeah that's you're a matter of minutes yeah that's because it's New York and everywhere because it's New York and everywhere because it's New York and everywhere else look where we are right now that's else look where we are right now that's else look where we are right now that's true it'd be even worse here yeah uh true it'd be even worse here yeah uh true it'd be even worse here yeah uh makes me really makes me wonder what is makes me really makes me wonder what is makes me really makes me wonder what is the right way to interact with the right way to interact with the right way to interact with uh intelligent life that's not like our uh intelligent life that's not like our uh intelligent life that's not like our own I hope I I dream of In Our Lifetime own I hope I I dream of In Our Lifetime own I hope I I dream of In Our Lifetime we would interact with we would interact with we would interact with possibly Life on Mars or on one of the possibly Life on Mars or on one of the possibly Life on Mars or on one of the moons of Jupiter or Saturn and like how moons of Jupiter or Saturn and like how moons of Jupiter or Saturn and like how do you interact with that thing do you interact with that thing do you interact with that thing well this is very technical biological well this is very technical biological well this is very technical biological and chemical processes but also if and chemical processes but also if and chemical processes but also if there's any kind of intelligence how do there's any kind of intelligence how do there's any kind of intelligence how do you try to communicate with that you try to communicate with that you try to communicate with that intelligence yeah so we're not talking intelligence yeah so we're not talking intelligence yeah so we're not talking about like a cockroach we're talking about like a cockroach we're talking about like a cockroach we're talking about like some something that's clearly about like some something that's clearly about like some something that's clearly like doing things making things well like doing things making things well like doing things making things well cockroach possibly how do you know the cockroach possibly how do you know the cockroach possibly how do you know the difference between a Cocker like how do difference between a Cocker like how do difference between a Cocker like how do you know we were just talking just like you know we were just talking just like you know we were just talking just like Australians yeah we don't know we don't Australians yeah we don't know we don't Australians yeah we don't know we don't know we have just like a race of like know we have just like a race of like know we have just like a race of like philosopher cockroaches right chilling philosopher cockroaches right chilling philosopher cockroaches right chilling on the Rocks well here on Earth we kind

on the Rocks well here on Earth we kind on the Rocks well here on Earth we kind of there seems to be a strong of there seems to be a strong of there seems to be a strong correlation between size and correlation between size and correlation between size and intelligence like yes it seems like the intelligence like yes it seems like the intelligence like yes it seems like the bigger things have bigger nervous bigger things have bigger nervous bigger things have bigger nervous systems and brains and so they're systems and brains and so they're systems and brains and so they're usually smarter but that doesn't I think usually smarter but that doesn't I think usually smarter but that doesn't I think it's brain it's the ratio brain to body it's brain it's the ratio brain to body it's brain it's the ratio brain to body sure because you have like crows yeah sure because you have like crows yeah sure because you have like crows yeah that are up among the most intelligent that are up among the most intelligent that are up among the most intelligent it's like the size of the brain to the it's like the size of the brain to the it's like the size of the brain to the size of the body but there also could be size of the body but there also could be size of the body but there also could be kinds of intelligence completely no idea kinds of intelligence completely no idea kinds of intelligence completely no idea we're not appreciating maybe cockroaches we're not appreciating maybe cockroaches we're not appreciating maybe cockroaches it's survived the longest they're it's survived the longest they're it's survived the longest they're talking shit about us right now it's talking shit about us right now it's talking shit about us right now it's dumb humans like dude dumb humans like dude dumb humans like dude these rocks are so great a couple of these rocks are so great a couple of these rocks are so great a couple of hundred years exactly hundred years exactly hundred years exactly um did you ever ever hear that Kurt um did you ever ever hear that Kurt um did you ever ever hear that Kurt Vonnegut where the two space Travelers Vonnegut where the two space Travelers Vonnegut where the two space Travelers get lost this this this really impacted get lost this this this really impacted get lost this this this really impacted me as a kid because my dad was an me as a kid because my dad was an me as a kid because my dad was an English teacher so he's always quoting English teacher so he's always quoting English teacher so he's always quoting Dostoyevsky and uh and Kurt Vonnegut and Dostoyevsky and uh and Kurt Vonnegut and Dostoyevsky and uh and Kurt Vonnegut and there's this there's two space Travelers there's this there's two space Travelers there's this there's two space Travelers get like crash landed in a cave get like crash landed in a cave get like crash landed in a cave and on the walls of the cave are the and on the walls of the cave are the and on the walls of the cave are the harmoniums and these kite-shaped animals harmoniums and these kite-shaped animals harmoniums and these kite-shaped animals and they feed off the vibrations of the and they feed off the vibrations of the and they feed off the vibrations of the cave and that's all they do they don't cave and that's all they do they don't cave and that's all they do they don't hurt each other they just do that and so hurt each other they just do that and so hurt each other they just do that and so for like two years these Travelers are for like two years these Travelers are for like two years these Travelers are stuck and they're trying to fix their stuck and they're trying to fix their stuck and they're trying to fix their ship and one of them starts playing ship and one of them starts playing ship and one of them starts playing music for the harmoniums and the music for the harmoniums and the music for the harmoniums and the harmoniums love him for the music and harmoniums love him for the music and harmoniums love him for the music and they all come around him and and he they all come around him and and he they all come around him and and he plays this music for him and finally plays this music for him and finally plays this music for him and finally they they fix the ship they they fix the ship they they fix the ship and then the one guy is like all right and then the one guy is like all right and then the one guy is like all right let's let's get out of here and the let's let's get out of here and the let's let's get out of here and the other guy's like you know what I'm other guy's like you know what I'm other guy's like you know what I'm staying staying staying he goes I I found a place where I can do

he goes I I found a place where I can do he goes I I found a place where I can do good I'm not hurting anybody and they good I'm not hurting anybody and they good I'm not hurting anybody and they love me yeah I'm staying right here love me yeah I'm staying right here love me yeah I'm staying right here yeah this whole ambition thing we've got yeah this whole ambition thing we've got yeah this whole ambition thing we've got going on always trying to build the going on always trying to build the going on always trying to build the bigger boat bigger thing that might not bigger boat bigger thing that might not bigger boat bigger thing that might not be the the ultimate um be the the ultimate um be the the ultimate um conclusion of a of a happy existence as conclusion of a of a happy existence as conclusion of a of a happy existence as a civilization that's probably that's a civilization that's probably that's a civilization that's probably that's one of the possibilities why we haven't one of the possibilities why we haven't one of the possibilities why we haven't met the aliens yet at scale it's because met the aliens yet at scale it's because met the aliens yet at scale it's because they're once you get good enough at they're once you get good enough at they're once you get good enough at technology you realize that happiness technology you realize that happiness technology you realize that happiness lies in a peaceful coexistence as lies in a peaceful coexistence as lies in a peaceful coexistence as possible possible possible so where do you stand on like aliens now so where do you stand on like aliens now so where do you stand on like aliens now like there's a lot coming out about the like there's a lot coming out about the like there's a lot coming out about the the pilots and the the pilots and the the pilots and the the things people have been seeing and the things people have been seeing and the things people have been seeing and again like I kind of come in and out of again like I kind of come in and out of again like I kind of come in and out of this stuff like I'll be in the jungle this stuff like I'll be in the jungle this stuff like I'll be in the jungle for three months I miss I miss a lot so for three months I miss I miss a lot so for three months I miss I miss a lot so like update me like or or are we are we like update me like or or are we are we like update me like or or are we are we being contacted right now like of course being contacted right now like of course being contacted right now like of course nobody knows but I tend to believe my nobody knows but I tend to believe my nobody knows but I tend to believe my intuition says there's aliens everywhere intuition says there's aliens everywhere intuition says there's aliens everywhere that that that um there are even our galaxy um there are even our galaxy um there are even our galaxy sure that's a biggerly but I believe our sure that's a biggerly but I believe our sure that's a biggerly but I believe our galaxy has galaxy has galaxy has probably billions probably billions probably billions hundreds of millions of planets with hundreds of millions of planets with hundreds of millions of planets with life on it like bacteria type of life life on it like bacteria type of life life on it like bacteria type of life sure and I believe there is sure and I believe there is sure and I believe there is I don't know thousands of alien civil I don't know thousands of alien civil I don't know thousands of alien civil intelligent aliens civilizations that intelligent aliens civilizations that intelligent aliens civilizations that exist or have existed the problem is exist or have existed the problem is exist or have existed the problem is there's a lot of time and it's very there's a lot of time and it's very there's a lot of time and it's very difficult to contact each other

difficult to contact each other difficult to contact each other so to achieve so to achieve so to achieve a kind of civilization that's able to a kind of civilization that's able to a kind of civilization that's able to actually send out enough signal or actually send out enough signal or actually send out enough signal or um radiate enough energy where we would um radiate enough energy where we would um radiate enough energy where we would notice I think that's really tough notice I think that's really tough notice I think that's really tough that said statistically speaking it that said statistically speaking it that said statistically speaking it seems like that should have been seems like that should have been seems like that should have been possible inside our galaxy or maybe possible inside our galaxy or maybe possible inside our galaxy or maybe nearby and so nearby and so nearby and so I suspect that I suspect that I suspect that um um um once an alien civilization is just many once an alien civilization is just many once an alien civilization is just many orders of magnitude smarter than us orders of magnitude smarter than us orders of magnitude smarter than us humans the way you would contact us humans the way you would contact us humans the way you would contact us is going to be very difficult for us is going to be very difficult for us is going to be very difficult for us humans to understand we're very humans to understand we're very humans to understand we're very egocentric we want the message to be egocentric we want the message to be egocentric we want the message to be sent as like a sent as like a sent as like a in English in English in English versus you know I think Consciousness versus you know I think Consciousness versus you know I think Consciousness itself yeah emotion itself yeah emotion itself yeah emotion um um um thoughts thoughts thoughts could be like fingertips could be like fingertips could be like fingertips um could be words in the story that the um could be words in the story that the um could be words in the story that the aliens are telling us aliens are telling us aliens are telling us or or or things that are just like a low things that are just like a low things that are just like a low dimensional projection of a much higher dimensional projection of a much higher dimensional projection of a much higher dimensional message that's being said by dimensional message that's being said by dimensional message that's being said by aliens and it may be our striving to aliens and it may be our striving to aliens and it may be our striving to create technology is to create the kind create technology is to create the kind create technology is to create the kind of sensor that's actually able to hear of sensor that's actually able to hear of sensor that's actually able to hear some of the message maybe that's what AI some of the message maybe that's what AI some of the message maybe that's what AI is trying to do so I I think that is trying to do so I I think that is trying to do so I I think that bridging that barrier of communication bridging that barrier of communication bridging that barrier of communication between us and cockroaches

between us and cockroaches between us and cockroaches I think that's the biggest challenge I think that's the biggest challenge I think that's the biggest challenge interesting like the messages are all interesting like the messages are all interesting like the messages are all around us they're here around us they're here around us they're here I I suspect that the the alien messages I I suspect that the the alien messages I I suspect that the the alien messages are here the aliens are here we're just are here the aliens are here we're just are here the aliens are here we're just too dumb to see it too dumb to see it too dumb to see it so so so first of all the imagining planets where first of all the imagining planets where first of all the imagining planets where there are there are there are like just picturing like a site like a like just picturing like a site like a like just picturing like a site like a not a silent Planet but just like a not a silent Planet but just like a not a silent Planet but just like a planet of planet of planet of alternate life forms you know maybe it's alternate life forms you know maybe it's alternate life forms you know maybe it's not something that's that we can not something that's that we can not something that's that we can communicate and have a conversation with communicate and have a conversation with communicate and have a conversation with but just like a planet of like but just like a planet of like but just like a planet of like butterflies and centipedes and and weird butterflies and centipedes and and weird butterflies and centipedes and and weird you know unfortunately bacteria for you know unfortunately bacteria for you know unfortunately bacteria for billions of years it was uh bacteria as billions of years it was uh bacteria as billions of years it was uh bacteria as a single cell prokaryotes and eukaryotes a single cell prokaryotes and eukaryotes a single cell prokaryotes and eukaryotes but they're not they're boring but yeah but they're not they're boring but yeah but they're not they're boring but yeah but animal animals of some sort in an but animal animals of some sort in an but animal animals of some sort in an environment of some sort imagine that environment of some sort imagine that environment of some sort imagine that would just be such an interesting would just be such an interesting would just be such an interesting beautiful amazing thing and I'm sure beautiful amazing thing and I'm sure beautiful amazing thing and I'm sure they're out on that I'm yeah the kind of they're out on that I'm yeah the kind of they're out on that I'm yeah the kind of viruses they got going on viruses they got going on viruses they got going on it's uh but they could also not be it's uh but they could also not be it's uh but they could also not be biologically based they could be biologically based they could be biologically based they could be different chemistry so you have to be different chemistry so you have to be different chemistry so you have to be humble to that too sure humble to that too sure humble to that too sure but then you know depends on the day but then you know depends on the day but then you know depends on the day like I think you caught me on that day like I think you caught me on that day like I think you caught me on that day today an optimistic one sometimes I I today an optimistic one sometimes I I today an optimistic one sometimes I I think that we're all we think that we're all we think that we're all we this is all there is because you start this is all there is because you start this is all there is because you start you ask that question the family Paradox you ask that question the family Paradox you ask that question the family Paradox like why aren't they here like why aren't they here like why aren't they here you can't imagine an advanced sales you can't imagine an advanced sales you can't imagine an advanced sales civilization that would not be explorers civilization that would not be explorers civilization that would not be explorers because we're explorers why is that

because we're explorers why is that because we're explorers why is that depressing to you that the idea that depressing to you that the idea that depressing to you that the idea that that let's just say you found out right that let's just say you found out right that let's just say you found out right now that there isn't anything else let's now that there isn't anything else let's now that there isn't anything else let's just say that for for example sake that just say that for for example sake that just say that for for example sake that the Earth is the earth and the universe the Earth is the earth and the universe the Earth is the earth and the universe is the universe and it's sort of like is the universe and it's sort of like is the universe and it's sort of like the backdrop of a video game the backdrop of a video game the backdrop of a video game and it's just what's out there and it's just what's out there and it's just what's out there would that be tremendously depressing to would that be tremendously depressing to would that be tremendously depressing to you I think it's exciting for an you I think it's exciting for an you I think it's exciting for an engineer it's probably exciting for an engineer it's probably exciting for an engineer it's probably exciting for an Explorer but I would equate that to your Explorer but I would equate that to your Explorer but I would equate that to your going out hiking for three days with one going out hiking for three days with one going out hiking for three days with one match match match it kind of terrifies me that we only got it kind of terrifies me that we only got it kind of terrifies me that we only got one match really one match really one match really yeah really yeah one all you got is one yeah really yeah one all you got is one yeah really yeah one all you got is one match match match this no no hold on a second hold on a this no no hold on a second hold on a this no no hold on a second hold on a second wait Paul wait wait a minute second wait Paul wait wait a minute second wait Paul wait wait a minute you're going out you're going out you're going out there's no more matches but this this is there's no more matches but this this is there's no more matches but this this is the only match extinguish the planet the only match extinguish the planet the only match extinguish the planet like there's not as far as we know like there's not as far as we know like there's not as far as we know there's no there's no meteor coming I'm there's no there's no meteor coming I'm there's no there's no meteor coming I'm saying like do you live in a so I'm saying like do you live in a so I'm saying like do you live in a so I'm saying is that is is your worry then saying is that is is your worry then saying is that is is your worry then that we need to have a backup plan yeah that we need to have a backup plan yeah that we need to have a backup plan yeah really well there has so like what if we really well there has so like what if we really well there has so like what if we do what if we do mess it up so bad well there's different ways to mess it well there's different ways to mess it up there's there's ways to mess it up to up there's there's ways to mess it up to up there's there's ways to mess it up to make life really difficult uh make life really difficult uh make life really difficult uh some of the Mad Max type of thing but some of the Mad Max type of thing but some of the Mad Max type of thing but there's nuclear war yes with the further there's nuclear war yes with the further there's nuclear war yes with the further and further advancement of technology and further advancement of technology and further advancement of technology that can destroy destroy all of Earth it that can destroy destroy all of Earth it that can destroy destroy all of Earth it just feels like that's going to be just feels like that's going to be just feels like that's going to be exponentially growing yes it's going to exponentially growing yes it's going to exponentially growing yes it's going to get worse and that I I it's uh

get worse and that I I it's uh get worse and that I I it's uh listen I'm I'm very optimistic listen I'm I'm very optimistic listen I'm I'm very optimistic but it's a it's a heck of a Russian rut but it's a it's a heck of a Russian rut but it's a it's a heck of a Russian rut we're playing okay so but I'm still we're playing okay so but I'm still we're playing okay so but I'm still curious about your your intention though curious about your your intention though curious about your your intention though or like where you're where your your or like where you're where your your or like where you're where your your passion for this comes from are you passion for this comes from are you passion for this comes from are you is your or maybe it's both but is it is is your or maybe it's both but is it is is your or maybe it's both but is it is it is it the need to have a backup plan it is it the need to have a backup plan it is it the need to have a backup plan for humans which are which is which is for humans which are which is which is for humans which are which is which is admirable for your intense love of admirable for your intense love of admirable for your intense love of humanity and our Consciousness and love humanity and our Consciousness and love humanity and our Consciousness and love and art and everything or is it also and art and everything or is it also and art and everything or is it also just that the the raw fascination of just that the the raw fascination of just that the the raw fascination of imagining what's out there imagining what's out there imagining what's out there um because I just the way you said that um because I just the way you said that um because I just the way you said that about like oh you caught me on a about like oh you caught me on a about like oh you caught me on a positive day where I think it's positive day where I think it's positive day where I think it's there was some there was something in there was some there was something in there was some there was something in there that made me think that that you there that made me think that that you there that made me think that that you need there to be uh yeah yeah there's need there to be uh yeah yeah there's need there to be uh yeah yeah there's foreign I think I'm the kind of person that sees I think I'm the kind of person that sees Beauty in everything but to me a Beauty in everything but to me a Beauty in everything but to me a universe full of diverse life universe full of diverse life universe full of diverse life is more beautiful than one word it's is more beautiful than one word it's is more beautiful than one word it's just humans it's just the Earth life just humans it's just the Earth life just humans it's just the Earth life interesting there's more Beauty I mean interesting there's more Beauty I mean interesting there's more Beauty I mean uh I'm not egotistical about the uh I'm not egotistical about the uh I'm not egotistical about the awesomeness of humans I like awesomeness of humans I like awesomeness of humans I like if humans are not the smartest if humans are not the smartest if humans are not the smartest in uh in our galaxy in uh in our galaxy in uh in our galaxy are not even close to being the smartest are not even close to being the smartest are not even close to being the smartest and that to me is and that to me is and that to me is I don't know that that to me is exciting I don't know that that to me is exciting I don't know that that to me is exciting about the possibility of what's or the about the possibility of what's or the about the possibility of what's or the universe can create universe can create universe can create yes I'm with you on that that it's

yes I'm with you on that that it's yes I'm with you on that that it's wildly exciting to to like if we found wildly exciting to to like if we found wildly exciting to to like if we found even if it was just a distant even if it was just a distant even if it was just a distant inkling that we found out that there is inkling that we found out that there is inkling that we found out that there is there is a planet that has life there's there is a planet that has life there's there is a planet that has life there's no there's no communication coming from no there's no communication coming from no there's no communication coming from but we know for a fact there's stuff but we know for a fact there's stuff but we know for a fact there's stuff going on there we'll just change how we going on there we'll just change how we going on there we'll just change how we think about our entire reality we know think about our entire reality we know think about our entire reality we know now now now and it could be to me I guess the little and it could be to me I guess the little and it could be to me I guess the little inkling of a thing that is depressing if inkling of a thing that is depressing if inkling of a thing that is depressing if all there is is Earth all there is is Earth all there is is Earth and humans destroy it and humans destroy it and humans destroy it then we're the coolest thing that the then we're the coolest thing that the then we're the coolest thing that the Universe has ever created Universe has ever created Universe has ever created it's over I'm interested to have this it's over I'm interested to have this it's over I'm interested to have this conversation I'm really I'm really I'm conversation I'm really I'm really I'm conversation I'm really I'm really I'm saying like I would be interested to saying like I would be interested to saying like I would be interested to bring you to the Jungle yeah bring you to the Jungle yeah bring you to the Jungle yeah um and and this I like now I'm also um and and this I like now I'm also um and and this I like now I'm also wondering I'm wondering like what what wondering I'm wondering like what what wondering I'm wondering like what what your Wilderness experience is because I your Wilderness experience is because I your Wilderness experience is because I feel like for me feel like for me feel like for me I'm so earth-centric to the to the point I'm so earth-centric to the to the point I'm so earth-centric to the to the point where I'm like where I'm like where I'm like we differ in that for me this is like we differ in that for me this is like we differ in that for me this is like it's a curiosity I feel wonder and I it's a curiosity I feel wonder and I it's a curiosity I feel wonder and I feel it's fun to talk about like what's feel it's fun to talk about like what's feel it's fun to talk about like what's at the edge of space like you know at the edge of space like you know at the edge of space like you know there's the conundrums of of space-time there's the conundrums of of space-time there's the conundrums of of space-time and but but I'm so to me I'm like what and but but I'm so to me I'm like what and but but I'm so to me I'm like what if what if the aliens are watching us or if what if the aliens are watching us or if what if the aliens are watching us or what if the aliens aren't watching us what if the aliens aren't watching us what if the aliens aren't watching us but what if the challenge here is we've but what if the challenge here is we've but what if the challenge here is we've been put on on Earth as as the most been put on on Earth as as the most been put on on Earth as as the most intellectually complex of these intellectually complex of these intellectually complex of these creatures and and and we're being creatures and and and we're being creatures and and and we're being observed to see how we manage it and observed to see how we manage it and observed to see how we manage it and it's like yeah we haven't made a good it's like yeah we haven't made a good it's like yeah we haven't made a good job of managing each other

job of managing each other job of managing each other you know before you know before you know before um orianna went down the the Amazon I um orianna went down the the Amazon I um orianna went down the the Amazon I mean they showed up and just sacked the mean they showed up and just sacked the mean they showed up and just sacked the Incas I mean we do our history and we Incas I mean we do our history and we Incas I mean we do our history and we don't have to tell you you've just got don't have to tell you you've just got don't have to tell you you've just got back but it's um back but it's um back but it's um I just sometimes I wonder I just sometimes I wonder I just sometimes I wonder you know what what the is is there a you know what what the is is there a you know what what the is is there a grand narrative with with what we're grand narrative with with what we're grand narrative with with what we're doing to Wildlife because it's like we doing to Wildlife because it's like we doing to Wildlife because it's like we have all these other species and we're have all these other species and we're have all these other species and we're we're struggling even here in this we're struggling even here in this we're struggling even here in this conversation to sort of quantify like conversation to sort of quantify like conversation to sort of quantify like you know you know you know I I think that most people don't think I I think that most people don't think I I think that most people don't think outside of the human framework outside of the human framework outside of the human framework you know what I mean like just driving you know what I mean like just driving you know what I mean like just driving around for me living outside of the around for me living outside of the around for me living outside of the Jungle even just for a few weeks I get Jungle even just for a few weeks I get Jungle even just for a few weeks I get you don't you don't you don't even think you don't you don't you don't even think you don't you don't you don't even think about the fact that there's other about the fact that there's other about the fact that there's other species around us we really don't day to species around us we really don't day to species around us we really don't day to day you look at TV and you look at when day you look at TV and you look at when day you look at TV and you look at when you listen to the radio and it doesn't you listen to the radio and it doesn't you listen to the radio and it doesn't it's not very consequential to the it's not very consequential to the it's not very consequential to the average person living in a city that average person living in a city that average person living in a city that there are these there are these there are these you know Islands covered in walruses and you know Islands covered in walruses and you know Islands covered in walruses and that there's rainforests filled with that there's rainforests filled with that there's rainforests filled with birds and and frogs and all these things birds and and frogs and all these things birds and and frogs and all these things happening and that you know the salmon happening and that you know the salmon happening and that you know the salmon are contributing to our fresh water and are contributing to our fresh water and are contributing to our fresh water and and that that life is literally given to and that that life is literally given to and that that life is literally given to us and made possible by these ecological us and made possible by these ecological us and made possible by these ecological systems to me systems to me systems to me that's where like the whole you know that's where like the whole you know that's where like the whole you know essence of my existence comes from and essence of my existence comes from and essence of my existence comes from and so like so like so like yeah thank you for that reminder because yeah thank you for that reminder because yeah thank you for that reminder because you're basically saying like the alien you're basically saying like the alien you're basically saying like the alien civilizations you dream about are here civilizations you dream about are here civilizations you dream about are here on Earth on Earth on Earth those those those worlds are here those those those worlds are here those those those worlds are here for me yeah yeah no I agree with you I

for me yeah yeah no I agree with you I for me yeah yeah no I agree with you I think I I agree with you and I think think I I agree with you and I think think I I agree with you and I think that's actually the way I uh think most that's actually the way I uh think most that's actually the way I uh think most of the time the you know I I think I'm of the time the you know I I think I'm of the time the you know I I think I'm on mushrooms all the time on mushrooms all the time on mushrooms all the time genetically somehow because when I go genetically somehow because when I go genetically somehow because when I go out in nature it's just the the beauty out in nature it's just the the beauty out in nature it's just the the beauty even of nothing you talk about the even of nothing you talk about the even of nothing you talk about the Amazon man just basics of nature yeah Amazon man just basics of nature yeah Amazon man just basics of nature yeah fill you fill me with awe and the other fill you fill me with awe and the other fill you fill me with awe and the other thing that fills me with all thing that fills me with all thing that fills me with all is our own mind like the the biology of is our own mind like the the biology of is our own mind like the the biology of these things firing basically are not these things firing basically are not these things firing basically are not our own mind but biology yeah of any our own mind but biology yeah of any our own mind but biology yeah of any living organisms living organisms living organisms because it's like an ecosystem they've because it's like an ecosystem they've because it's like an ecosystem they've came these cells came together they came these cells came together they came these cells came together they somehow functional they delegate they somehow functional they delegate they somehow functional they delegate they mostly operate in a local way but they mostly operate in a local way but they mostly operate in a local way but they uh uh uh first of all it's just like you said first of all it's just like you said first of all it's just like you said with the anacondas you start out as a with the anacondas you start out as a with the anacondas you start out as a tiny snake and you become giant when tiny snake and you become giant when tiny snake and you become giant when you're a tiny snake you're you're you're a tiny snake you're you're you're a tiny snake you're you're praying for everything when you're giant praying for everything when you're giant praying for everything when you're giant snake you're a predator or you're afraid snake you're a predator or you're afraid snake you're a predator or you're afraid to no one yeah and like just that whole to no one yeah and like just that whole to no one yeah and like just that whole process same starting with a single process same starting with a single process same starting with a single embryo single cell is a human and embryo single cell is a human and embryo single cell is a human and through the embryogenic process through the embryogenic process through the embryogenic process constructing this giant human that's constructing this giant human that's constructing this giant human that's able to have able to have able to have limbs move about the world think about limbs move about the world think about limbs move about the world think about things write books and so on just so things write books and so on just so things write books and so on just so that that is incredibly beautiful and that that is incredibly beautiful and that that is incredibly beautiful and all of that is here on Earth yes all of that is here on Earth yes all of that is here on Earth yes um and so actually I was being sort of um and so actually I was being sort of um and so actually I was being sort of poetic about aliens and so on I think I poetic about aliens and so on I think I poetic about aliens and so on I think I can spend 99.99 in terms of uh filling can spend 99.99 in terms of uh filling can spend 99.99 in terms of uh filling my mind with awe and Beauty just looking

my mind with awe and Beauty just looking my mind with awe and Beauty just looking down here on Earth for sure I agree with down here on Earth for sure I agree with down here on Earth for sure I agree with you yeah and I'm and they shouldn't you yeah and I'm and they shouldn't you yeah and I'm and they shouldn't cancel out like I think it's beautiful cancel out like I think it's beautiful cancel out like I think it's beautiful that there's that there's people that that there's that there's people that that there's that there's people that are fascinated and obsessed with looking are fascinated and obsessed with looking are fascinated and obsessed with looking out into space and that will travel out into space and that will travel out into space and that will travel there there there um I mean just to me the the idea of I um I mean just to me the the idea of I um I mean just to me the the idea of I mean I have a little piece of meteorite mean I have a little piece of meteorite mean I have a little piece of meteorite at home that I hold and it does amazing at home that I hold and it does amazing at home that I hold and it does amazing things to my mind because I'm like things to my mind because I'm like things to my mind because I'm like everything I've ever touched is from everything I've ever touched is from everything I've ever touched is from this Earth this Earth this Earth and I'm holding this thing that's been and I'm holding this thing that's been and I'm holding this thing that's been places that we can't even think about places that we can't even think about places that we can't even think about and it blows my mind and I love it but and it blows my mind and I love it but and it blows my mind and I love it but but when it comes to like intelligence but when it comes to like intelligence but when it comes to like intelligence I think it's like I think it's like I think it's like I'm I'm so concerned with the fact that I'm I'm so concerned with the fact that I'm I'm so concerned with the fact that we're at this moment in history we're at this moment in history we're at this moment in history and it's interesting to me that you know and it's interesting to me that you know and it's interesting to me that you know we had the internet and now that with we had the internet and now that with we had the internet and now that with the emergence of AI and more and more I the emergence of AI and more and more I the emergence of AI and more and more I feel like we are starting to resemble feel like we are starting to resemble feel like we are starting to resemble like an ant colony where there's more like an ant colony where there's more like an ant colony where there's more and more connection and there's more and and more connection and there's more and and more connection and there's more and more interaction globally between more interaction globally between more interaction globally between everybody in the next 10 years we're everybody in the next 10 years we're everybody in the next 10 years we're gonna have to decide are we gonna let gonna have to decide are we gonna let gonna have to decide are we gonna let our ocean ecosystems just collapse are our ocean ecosystems just collapse are our ocean ecosystems just collapse are we going to just take that three percent we going to just take that three percent we going to just take that three percent of rainforest and just let them log the of rainforest and just let them log the of rainforest and just let them log the shit out of it until it's gone and it's shit out of it until it's gone and it's shit out of it until it's gone and it's like we're gonna be in a very different like we're gonna be in a very different like we're gonna be in a very different reality then then it's going to be very reality then then it's going to be very reality then then it's going to be very dystopian future or dystopian future or dystopian future or can we keep the good things about Earth can we keep the good things about Earth can we keep the good things about Earth transcend that realize that we have transcend that realize that we have transcend that realize that we have these incredible alien species around us these incredible alien species around us these incredible alien species around us that are animals that we grew up with that are animals that we grew up with that are animals that we grew up with that we wouldn't be here without that we that we wouldn't be here without that we that we wouldn't be here without that we owe something to owe something to owe something to and I feel like at that stage then and I feel like at that stage then and I feel like at that stage then the the the outward look becomes the the the outward look becomes the the the outward look becomes something else it's almost like we've

something else it's almost like we've something else it's almost like we've we've proven that if aliens came up to we've proven that if aliens came up to we've proven that if aliens came up to us that's when I'd feel good us that's when I'd feel good us that's when I'd feel good aliens would come up to us and they said aliens would come up to us and they said aliens would come up to us and they said you know that Louis has the thing where you know that Louis has the thing where you know that Louis has the thing where he goes God comes back and he goes what he goes God comes back and he goes what he goes God comes back and he goes what did you do he goes to polar bears are did you do he goes to polar bears are did you do he goes to polar bears are brown he's like I left food for you it's brown he's like I left food for you it's brown he's like I left food for you it's like if the aliens came and were like like if the aliens came and were like like if the aliens came and were like you know and they interviewed the you know and they interviewed the you know and they interviewed the elephants and they said how are you elephants and they said how are you elephants and they said how are you feeling and the elephants would be like feeling and the elephants would be like feeling and the elephants would be like listen fuck these little primates yeah listen fuck these little primates yeah listen fuck these little primates yeah you know what they've done to us and you know what they've done to us and you know what they've done to us and it's like I mean you know I've seen it's like I mean you know I've seen it's like I mean you know I've seen people break an elephant I've seen I've people break an elephant I've seen I've people break an elephant I've seen I've seen I've seen it all with that stuff seen I've seen it all with that stuff seen I've seen it all with that stuff and it's like if if anybody was to ask and it's like if if anybody was to ask and it's like if if anybody was to ask them them them they'd be screaming they'd be screaming they'd be screaming and and so like to me and and so like to me and and so like to me it's just you know I I have trouble it's just you know I I have trouble it's just you know I I have trouble trouble looking out into space I have trouble looking out into space I have trouble looking out into space I have trouble looking out into normal life as trouble looking out into normal life as trouble looking out into normal life as a human because I'm so concerned with a human because I'm so concerned with a human because I'm so concerned with trying to make sure that they're okay trying to make sure that they're okay trying to make sure that they're okay because not enough people are doing that because not enough people are doing that because not enough people are doing that oh the interesting thing about all the oh the interesting thing about all the oh the interesting thing about all the development with AI and just that we're development with AI and just that we're development with AI and just that we're living more and more of our life online living more and more of our life online living more and more of our life online I think we're actually learning what's missing when it's online what's missing when it's online like like like I think people realize that online I think people realize that online I think people realize that online interaction is shallow but we're just interaction is shallow but we're just interaction is shallow but we're just learning that that that's a reality yeah learning that that that's a reality yeah learning that that that's a reality yeah that we need that human connection and I that we need that human connection and I that we need that human connection and I think there's going to be the swing back think there's going to be the swing back think there's going to be the swing back to like sadly AI systems of the future to like sadly AI systems of the future to like sadly AI systems of the future might be able to live fulfilling lives might be able to live fulfilling lives might be able to live fulfilling lives online but us humans have have to have a online but us humans have have to have a online but us humans have have to have a deep connection with Earth and like with

deep connection with Earth and like with deep connection with Earth and like with with each other physical connection I with each other physical connection I with each other physical connection I think there's going to be a phase think there's going to be a phase think there's going to be a phase somewhere in the century where we go somewhere in the century where we go somewhere in the century where we go back to deep physical connection and back to deep physical connection and back to deep physical connection and there will be a digital world sure that there will be a digital world sure that there will be a digital world sure that we visit that it would be separate and we visit that it would be separate and we visit that it would be separate and that's the you have that's the you have that's the you have a discussion with that with Twitter with a discussion with that with Twitter with a discussion with that with Twitter with Instagram with all these social networks Instagram with all these social networks Instagram with all these social networks that they they don't they seem to be that they they don't they seem to be that they they don't they seem to be dividing us they seem to not be bringing dividing us they seem to not be bringing dividing us they seem to not be bringing happiness and you have to try to figure happiness and you have to try to figure happiness and you have to try to figure out like Okay so out like Okay so out like Okay so how do we use them how do we use them how do we use them in a way that does connect us does in a way that does connect us does in a way that does connect us does educate us grow a knowledge base but educate us grow a knowledge base but educate us grow a knowledge base but also keeps us uh keeps Our Lives also keeps us uh keeps Our Lives also keeps us uh keeps Our Lives fulfilling in a deep human way that fulfilling in a deep human way that fulfilling in a deep human way that we're for good and for bad genetically we're for good and for bad genetically we're for good and for bad genetically designed we could they can't overcome so designed we could they can't overcome so designed we could they can't overcome so we can't escape these meet Vehicles yeah we can't escape these meet Vehicles yeah we can't escape these meet Vehicles yeah but that's to me that's so reassuring but that's to me that's so reassuring but that's to me that's so reassuring yeah it's like when like I have you know yeah it's like when like I have you know yeah it's like when like I have you know we all have those friends that are like we all have those friends that are like we all have those friends that are like you know we gotta live forever and it's you know we gotta live forever and it's you know we gotta live forever and it's like I don't know man do you yeah I like I don't know man do you yeah I like I don't know man do you yeah I don't know is it that bad that this is don't know is it that bad that this is don't know is it that bad that this is how it works like that we don't how it works like that we don't how it works like that we don't understand it understand it understand it um yeah the that's it's often from the um yeah the that's it's often from the um yeah the that's it's often from the tech sector the discussions about tech sector the discussions about tech sector the discussions about immortality and so on yeah I think immortality and so on yeah I think immortality and so on yeah I think that's somehow trying to escape the the that's somehow trying to escape the the that's somehow trying to escape the the beauty of this Earth for sure that that beauty of this Earth for sure that that beauty of this Earth for sure that that there's something you've right to look there's something you've right to look there's something you've right to look at like yeah and I I I perhaps like you at like yeah and I I I perhaps like you at like yeah and I I I perhaps like you I'm worried about I'm worried about I'm worried about the uh unintended negative consequences the uh unintended negative consequences the uh unintended negative consequences of trying to escape the way things are of trying to escape the way things are of trying to escape the way things are on this Earth because this is an on this Earth because this is an on this Earth because this is an incredible mechanism how many times in

incredible mechanism how many times in incredible mechanism how many times in the past has new technology come out the past has new technology come out the past has new technology come out that people have hailed as you know that people have hailed as you know that people have hailed as you know blasphemy or it's not going to work or blasphemy or it's not going to work or blasphemy or it's not going to work or it's it goes against nature and and now it's it goes against nature and and now it's it goes against nature and and now well heart transplants are pretty cool well heart transplants are pretty cool well heart transplants are pretty cool you know and and you could say what you you know and and you could say what you you know and and you could say what you want about like television and like oh want about like television and like oh want about like television and like oh it's you know it rots your brain it's it's you know it rots your brain it's it's you know it rots your brain it's like yeah but also how many times have like yeah but also how many times have like yeah but also how many times have you sat in a room full of people being you sat in a room full of people being you sat in a room full of people being entertained and all laughing and entertained and all laughing and entertained and all laughing and interacting and eating popcorn because interacting and eating popcorn because interacting and eating popcorn because of the television's there it's not it's of the television's there it's not it's of the television's there it's not it's not one or the other and so I feel like not one or the other and so I feel like not one or the other and so I feel like with AI we'll we'll with AI we'll we'll with AI we'll we'll learn we'll learn our way through it you learn we'll learn our way through it you learn we'll learn our way through it you know there's a like with the legged uh know there's a like with the legged uh know there's a like with the legged uh robots especially and humanoid also so robots especially and humanoid also so robots especially and humanoid also so anything on legs four legs or two legs anything on legs four legs or two legs anything on legs four legs or two legs I remember like the first time I I remember like the first time I I remember like the first time I interact interacted with a legged robot I saw a magic there I saw a magic there like that this too can have Consciousness that this too can have Consciousness this too can have this too can have this too can have this life like this life like this life like quality quality quality that a human being loves about other that a human being loves about other that a human being loves about other human beings about other living human beings about other living human beings about other living creatures now while I'm still I grew up creatures now while I'm still I grew up creatures now while I'm still I grew up in a place with no internet in a time in a place with no internet in a time in a place with no internet in a time with no internet so I still like with no internet so I still like with no internet so I still like biological dogs better biological dogs better biological dogs better and I noticed the Magic in robotic dogs and I noticed the Magic in robotic dogs and I noticed the Magic in robotic dogs yeah and it makes me wonder the way same yeah and it makes me wonder the way same yeah and it makes me wonder the way same way we're just talking about aliens way we're just talking about aliens way we're just talking about aliens looking up it makes you wonder about looking up it makes you wonder about looking up it makes you wonder about other alien civilizations now the deep other alien civilizations now the deep other alien civilizations now the deep love is for dogs for other humans yeah

love is for dogs for other humans yeah love is for dogs for other humans yeah but there's still this The Wander ah I but there's still this The Wander ah I but there's still this The Wander ah I struggle with that like you said the the struggle with that like you said the the struggle with that like you said the the whatever's going on in here the idea and whatever's going on in here the idea and whatever's going on in here the idea and there's so much talk about the fact like there's so much talk about the fact like there's so much talk about the fact like at what point does an artificially at what point does an artificially at what point does an artificially intelligent robot become something that intelligent robot become something that intelligent robot become something that has and it's like I get I get very has and it's like I get I get very has and it's like I get I get very uncomfortable with that it makes me uncomfortable with that it makes me uncomfortable with that it makes me uh I don't know how to how to handle the uh I don't know how to how to handle the uh I don't know how to how to handle the things because I don't know enough about things because I don't know enough about things because I don't know enough about it probably but it's like I don't know it probably but it's like I don't know it probably but it's like I don't know how to handle like I don't know how to how to handle like I don't know how to how to handle like I don't know how to handle either nobody knows anything handle either nobody knows anything handle either nobody knows anything about it because the it's really about it because the it's really about it because the it's really everything is terrifying here because it everything is terrifying here because it everything is terrifying here because it could be as simple as Consciousness is could be as simple as Consciousness is could be as simple as Consciousness is easy to fake easy to fake easy to fake so what if we live in a world 10 to 20 so what if we live in a world 10 to 20 so what if we live in a world 10 to 20 years from now where years from now where years from now where your toaster there's a bunch of robots your toaster there's a bunch of robots your toaster there's a bunch of robots in your room in your room in your room that are faking consciousness that are faking consciousness that are faking consciousness and then you fall in love with them and and then you fall in love with them and and then you fall in love with them and you have a deep connection with them and you have a deep connection with them and you have a deep connection with them and then you actually have a deeper then you actually have a deeper then you actually have a deeper connection with your toaster than you do connection with your toaster than you do connection with your toaster than you do with any uh romantic human partner with any uh romantic human partner with any uh romantic human partner you've ever had and you start to I was I you've ever had and you start to I was I you've ever had and you start to I was I was upset about the dogs you just took it way worse yeah yeah and you just took it way worse yeah yeah and then you know and then they they start then you know and then they they start then you know and then they they start to uh I don't know if you've seen AI to uh I don't know if you've seen AI to uh I don't know if you've seen AI porn but it gets pretty intense like porn but it gets pretty intense like porn but it gets pretty intense like fully AI porn like they're they're fake fully AI porn like they're they're fake fully AI porn like they're they're fake people thank you people thank you people thank you take people that can uh things I've take people that can uh things I've take people that can uh things I've missed in the jungle things missed in the jungle things missed in the jungle things boy do I have a lot to try or not I

boy do I have a lot to try or not I boy do I have a lot to try or not I can't wait for you not show you let me can't wait for you not show you let me can't wait for you not show you let me uh ask you about a touchy topic uh ask you about a touchy topic uh ask you about a touchy topic uh climate change oh boy uh climate change oh boy uh climate change oh boy what's the effect of climate change on what's the effect of climate change on what's the effect of climate change on the uh on the Amazon maybe species the uh on the Amazon maybe species the uh on the Amazon maybe species diversity what what what is something diversity what what what is something diversity what what what is something that people should should think about that people should should think about that people should should think about because there's different views on um because there's different views on um because there's different views on um I think most people believe that climate I think most people believe that climate I think most people believe that climate change is human caused and it's change is human caused and it's change is human caused and it's happening but there is different happening but there is different happening but there is different perspectives on the degree perspectives on the degree perspectives on the degree of damage that it's going to do over the of damage that it's going to do over the of damage that it's going to do over the next several decades and what our next several decades and what our next several decades and what our response should be as a society and so response should be as a society and so response should be as a society and so it would be amazing to hear your it would be amazing to hear your it would be amazing to hear your perspective on it in in small slices of perspective on it in in small slices of perspective on it in in small slices of your experience are enlarged to me there's no denying the fact that to me there's no denying the fact that we are experiencing changes I think we are experiencing changes I think we are experiencing changes I think anybody that that doesn't agree with anybody that that doesn't agree with anybody that that doesn't agree with that hasn't been outside in the last 20 that hasn't been outside in the last 20 that hasn't been outside in the last 20 years or has an interviewed years or has an interviewed years or has an interviewed Old Farmers will tell you that it Old Farmers will tell you that it Old Farmers will tell you that it changed or you know it's it that I think changed or you know it's it that I think changed or you know it's it that I think a lot of us can agree with that where I a lot of us can agree with that where I a lot of us can agree with that where I deviate is that I am not a climate deviate is that I am not a climate deviate is that I am not a climate scientist scientist scientist I am I'm not qualified and so I just I am I'm not qualified and so I just I am I'm not qualified and so I just like everybody else am listening like everybody else am listening like everybody else am listening and what happens to me is I see that the and what happens to me is I see that the and what happens to me is I see that the someone like Santiago Duran JJ's father someone like Santiago Duran JJ's father someone like Santiago Duran JJ's father will will tell me it's totally different will will tell me it's totally different will will tell me it's totally different than it was when I was a kid the seasons

than it was when I was a kid the seasons than it was when I was a kid the seasons have changed and moved and like in New have changed and moved and like in New have changed and moved and like in New York when I was a kid like we used to York when I was a kid like we used to York when I was a kid like we used to get like white Christmas like we used to get like white Christmas like we used to get like white Christmas like we used to get snow we don't I was in shorts like I get snow we don't I was in shorts like I get snow we don't I was in shorts like I came off the plane right before coming came off the plane right before coming came off the plane right before coming here and I was in like shorts for a here and I was in like shorts for a here and I was in like shorts for a second like I was like this is a second like I was like this is a second like I was like this is a different reality but my ability could different reality but my ability could different reality but my ability could my or my my interpretation of climate my or my my interpretation of climate my or my my interpretation of climate change you know I feel like is just as change you know I feel like is just as change you know I feel like is just as dumb as those people that go like you dumb as those people that go like you dumb as those people that go like you know know know it's really cold I thought they said it it's really cold I thought they said it it's really cold I thought they said it was getting warmer it's like it's it's a was getting warmer it's like it's it's a was getting warmer it's like it's it's a very rudimentary thing and so as a as a very rudimentary thing and so as a as a very rudimentary thing and so as a as a someone that's fighting for the someone that's fighting for the someone that's fighting for the preservation of biodiversity preservation of biodiversity preservation of biodiversity I I I don't feel like I'm any more I I I don't feel like I'm any more I I I don't feel like I'm any more qualified than the average person to I qualified than the average person to I qualified than the average person to I can only provide anecdotal anecdotal can only provide anecdotal anecdotal can only provide anecdotal anecdotal evidence of the stuff I've seen what I evidence of the stuff I've seen what I evidence of the stuff I've seen what I what I do do though and I always I what I do do though and I always I what I do do though and I always I always make a strong delineation here is always make a strong delineation here is always make a strong delineation here is that that that I can speak to the fact that I've been I can speak to the fact that I've been I can speak to the fact that I've been places where the ocean fisheries have places where the ocean fisheries have places where the ocean fisheries have been depleted and the local fishermen been depleted and the local fishermen been depleted and the local fishermen can tell you and the scientists can tell can tell you and the scientists can tell can tell you and the scientists can tell you there's no more fish here you there's no more fish here you there's no more fish here I've been to the places where the I've been to the places where the I've been to the places where the rainforest line is being pushed back in rainforest line is being pushed back in rainforest line is being pushed back in Borneo and it's getting smaller and Borneo and it's getting smaller and Borneo and it's getting smaller and smaller and smaller and I've been in the smaller and smaller and I've been in the smaller and smaller and I've been in the Amazon and I've walked through the Amazon and I've walked through the Amazon and I've walked through the Killing Fields and through the fires and Killing Fields and through the fires and Killing Fields and through the fires and I've burnt my lungs on it and I've burnt my lungs on it and I've burnt my lungs on it and and I'm a big believer personally and I'm a big believer personally and I'm a big believer personally and in instead of trying to take on all and in instead of trying to take on all and in instead of trying to take on all of it of it of it I have tried very hard in my life to I have tried very hard in my life to I have tried very hard in my life to pick one thing pick one thing pick one thing and to me that one thing is protecting

and to me that one thing is protecting and to me that one thing is protecting as many wild heartbeats as I can because as many wild heartbeats as I can because as many wild heartbeats as I can because they're under constant fire and so they're under constant fire and so they're under constant fire and so climate change you know there's so much climate change you know there's so much climate change you know there's so much arguing over it and and like you said arguing over it and and like you said arguing over it and and like you said the the degree to which we we affect it the the degree to which we we affect it the the degree to which we we affect it and and and and and and and and how do you you know what I mean and and how do you you know what I mean and and how do you you know what I mean like I like to have provable data points like I like to have provable data points like I like to have provable data points like you know I can show you tropical like you know I can show you tropical like you know I can show you tropical deforestation I can show you the decline deforestation I can show you the decline deforestation I can show you the decline in Tigers over the last hundred years in Tigers over the last hundred years in Tigers over the last hundred years I can't prove I you know what I mean I can't prove I you know what I mean I can't prove I you know what I mean like I can't answer that question I like I can't answer that question I like I can't answer that question I don't think probably you can better than don't think probably you can better than don't think probably you can better than I can no I I think one of the criticism I can no I I think one of the criticism I can no I I think one of the criticism I'd love to get your opinion on is uh I'd love to get your opinion on is uh I'd love to get your opinion on is uh one of the criticisms that somebody like one of the criticisms that somebody like one of the criticisms that somebody like Jordan Peterson provides yeah is that Jordan Peterson provides yeah is that Jordan Peterson provides yeah is that the climate the climate the climate is such a complex system there's so many is such a complex system there's so many is such a complex system there's so many variables that variables that variables that making conclusive statements about making conclusive statements about making conclusive statements about what's going to happen with the what's going to happen with the what's going to happen with the quote-unquote climate in the next 10 20 quote-unquote climate in the next 10 20 quote-unquote climate in the next 10 20 50 years yeah is nearly impossible 50 years yeah is nearly impossible 50 years yeah is nearly impossible task task task therefore as he would say therefore as he would say therefore as he would say as people like Bjorn Lombard would say as people like Bjorn Lombard would say as people like Bjorn Lombard would say the kind of fear-mongering that is done the kind of fear-mongering that is done the kind of fear-mongering that is done saying we should spend saying we should spend saying we should spend humongous amounts of money to change the humongous amounts of money to change the humongous amounts of money to change the trajectory of everything we're doing in trajectory of everything we're doing in trajectory of everything we're doing in terms of energy terms of energy terms of energy um um um in terms of infrastructure and so on in in terms of infrastructure and so on in in terms of infrastructure and so on in terms of how we allocate money is not terms of how we allocate money is not terms of how we allocate money is not justified because predicting is very justified because predicting is very justified because predicting is very difficult and instead it's better difficult and instead it's better difficult and instead it's better exactly what you're saying which is exactly what you're saying which is exactly what you're saying which is focusing on local problem local saying

focusing on local problem local saying focusing on local problem local saying uh we need to protect the Amazon uh we need to protect the Amazon uh we need to protect the Amazon what are the what are the things what are the what are the things what are the what are the things attacking the Amazon this year in the attacking the Amazon this year in the attacking the Amazon this year in the next five years how can we stop the next five years how can we stop the next five years how can we stop the deforestation how can we stop different deforestation how can we stop different deforestation how can we stop different things and then and then and humans are things and then and then and humans are things and then and then and humans are exceptionally good and exceptionally good and exceptionally good and um at coming up with solutions for that um at coming up with solutions for that um at coming up with solutions for that especially when you put money behind it especially when you put money behind it especially when you put money behind it you put attention to it and that's the you put attention to it and that's the you put attention to it and that's the way we solve all the different problems way we solve all the different problems way we solve all the different problems that are are going to that are projected that are are going to that are projected that are are going to that are projected for the climate change in its worst case for the climate change in its worst case for the climate change in its worst case scenarios uh to be realized on this scenarios uh to be realized on this scenarios uh to be realized on this Earth so that that's kind of the the Earth so that that's kind of the the Earth so that that's kind of the the case he would make and I should also case he would make and I should also case he would make and I should also mention that one of the reasons mention that one of the reasons mention that one of the reasons I was fortunate enough to discover your I was fortunate enough to discover your I was fortunate enough to discover your work is um first a friend mentioned that work is um first a friend mentioned that work is um first a friend mentioned that I should definitely talk to you and I I should definitely talk to you and I I should definitely talk to you and I googled you and I saw that somebody googled you and I saw that somebody googled you and I saw that somebody recommended that Jordan Peterson recommended that Jordan Peterson recommended that Jordan Peterson absolutely must talk to you on this absolutely must talk to you on this absolutely must talk to you on this podcast wow podcast wow podcast wow um I think there's like a Reddit post um I think there's like a Reddit post um I think there's like a Reddit post right thank you for Reddit poster that's right thank you for Reddit poster that's right thank you for Reddit poster that's that's great I was like oh interesting that's great I was like oh interesting that's great I was like oh interesting and then I looked and Jordan hasn't yet and then I looked and Jordan hasn't yet and then I looked and Jordan hasn't yet I thought I thought I thought my goal is for you to talk to to Rogan my goal is for you to talk to to Rogan my goal is for you to talk to to Rogan and to Jordan Peterson for for different and to Jordan Peterson for for different and to Jordan Peterson for for different reasons but for the same reason they get reasons but for the same reason they get reasons but for the same reason they get connected to uh the human being that connected to uh the human being that connected to uh the human being that deeply cares about this Earth and I deeply cares about this Earth and I deeply cares about this Earth and I think that's probably the right lens think that's probably the right lens think that's probably the right lens through which to look at the effects of through which to look at the effects of through which to look at the effects of climate change climate change climate change in terms of focusing on the different in terms of focusing on the different in terms of focusing on the different things that are threatening threatening things that are threatening threatening things that are threatening threatening the diversity of species the diversity of species the diversity of species in this most magical place on Earth in this most magical place on Earth in this most magical place on Earth which is the Amazon but also as you'll

which is the Amazon but also as you'll which is the Amazon but also as you'll talk about with elephants and tigers in talk about with elephants and tigers in talk about with elephants and tigers in India India India and focusing on how to solve those and focusing on how to solve those and focusing on how to solve those problems I don't know if there's any problems I don't know if there's any problems I don't know if there's any comment you want to make on folks like comment you want to make on folks like comment you want to make on folks like Jordan Peterson who are sort of raising Jordan Peterson who are sort of raising Jordan Peterson who are sort of raising questions about how much do we really questions about how much do we really questions about how much do we really understand about the climate understand about the climate understand about the climate yeah first of all I'm such a Jordan yeah first of all I'm such a Jordan yeah first of all I'm such a Jordan Peterson fan and I think the guy is Peterson fan and I think the guy is Peterson fan and I think the guy is heroic for a number of reasons and I I heroic for a number of reasons and I I heroic for a number of reasons and I I find his his use of language and his use find his his use of language and his use find his his use of language and his use of Theology and and the message that he of Theology and and the message that he of Theology and and the message that he puts out wonderful puts out wonderful puts out wonderful um I cringe a little bit when he says I um I cringe a little bit when he says I um I cringe a little bit when he says I I feel like and I I might not even be I feel like and I I might not even be I feel like and I I might not even be accurate on this but I cringe a little accurate on this but I cringe a little accurate on this but I cringe a little bit when I feel like he just he bit when I feel like he just he bit when I feel like he just he dismisses that there is an ecological dismisses that there is an ecological dismisses that there is an ecological emergency happening right now now I'm emergency happening right now now I'm emergency happening right now now I'm not saying I'm not talking about climate not saying I'm not talking about climate not saying I'm not talking about climate change specifically but I've heard him change specifically but I've heard him change specifically but I've heard him say you know environmentalists upset me say you know environmentalists upset me say you know environmentalists upset me and he goes well what do you mean by the and he goes well what do you mean by the and he goes well what do you mean by the environment everything and it sort of environment everything and it sort of environment everything and it sort of seems to outrage him and it's and I I seems to outrage him and it's and I I seems to outrage him and it's and I I kind of agree with him there because so kind of agree with him there because so kind of agree with him there because so are you telling me that we need to Halt are you telling me that we need to Halt are you telling me that we need to Halt our Global process and and and and and our Global process and and and and and our Global process and and and and and progress and economies and everything I progress and economies and everything I progress and economies and everything I don't know I don't know and so so to me don't know I don't know and so so to me don't know I don't know and so so to me um I I don't that doesn't bother me um I I don't that doesn't bother me um I I don't that doesn't bother me because he's exploring what the hell are because he's exploring what the hell are because he's exploring what the hell are these people talking about when you say these people talking about when you say these people talking about when you say you have I have I personally have you have I have I personally have you have I have I personally have friends and students and people filling friends and students and people filling friends and students and people filling my inboxes I have young kids telling me my inboxes I have young kids telling me my inboxes I have young kids telling me that they're they've become vegan and that they're they've become vegan and that they're they've become vegan and they ride a bicycle and sometimes they they ride a bicycle and sometimes they they ride a bicycle and sometimes they don't watch TV because it uses don't watch TV because it uses don't watch TV because it uses electricity and I mean they're just electricity and I mean they're just electricity and I mean they're just becoming so so terrified of that they're

becoming so so terrified of that they're becoming so so terrified of that they're killing the Earth and so it's this killing the Earth and so it's this killing the Earth and so it's this doomsday anti-human sentimentist thing doomsday anti-human sentimentist thing doomsday anti-human sentimentist thing that we're that we're evil it's like that we're that we're evil it's like that we're that we're evil it's like it's almost like a new religion about it's almost like a new religion about it's almost like a new religion about you're evil and so to me you're evil and so to me you're evil and so to me I it almost makes me in a totally I it almost makes me in a totally I it almost makes me in a totally different camp where like climate change different camp where like climate change different camp where like climate change and the right left politics and you know and the right left politics and you know and the right left politics and you know I I considered a family I considered I I considered a family I considered I I considered a family I considered Thanksgiving dinner and listen to listen Thanksgiving dinner and listen to listen Thanksgiving dinner and listen to listen to the the climate thing go back and to the the climate thing go back and to the the climate thing go back and forth yeah and I'm like I'm not even I'm forth yeah and I'm like I'm not even I'm forth yeah and I'm like I'm not even I'm not even here and that might actually not even here and that might actually not even here and that might actually annoy some people annoy some people annoy some people in the environmental field that might in the environmental field that might in the environmental field that might feel betrayed by me saying that but I feel betrayed by me saying that but I feel betrayed by me saying that but I don't care don't care don't care my job and it's not just the Amazon and my job and it's not just the Amazon and my job and it's not just the Amazon and and that's one note I wanted to make is and that's one note I wanted to make is and that's one note I wanted to make is that that that my career has has taken place largely in my career has has taken place largely in my career has has taken place largely in the Amazon and also in India and now a the Amazon and also in India and now a the Amazon and also in India and now a lot in Africa but it's it's not even lot in Africa but it's it's not even lot in Africa but it's it's not even just these exotic places either it's just these exotic places either it's just these exotic places either it's it's it's people realizing that you know it's it's people realizing that you know it's it's people realizing that you know the salmon runs in Canada and the the the salmon runs in Canada and the the the salmon runs in Canada and the the butterfly gardens in our backyards that butterfly gardens in our backyards that butterfly gardens in our backyards that there's biodiversity everywhere and it's there's biodiversity everywhere and it's there's biodiversity everywhere and it's and I I strongly feel like you know the and I I strongly feel like you know the and I I strongly feel like you know the idea of idea of idea of jungle Keepers the idea of of of jungle Keepers the idea of of of jungle Keepers the idea of of of stewards of Nature and so for me my my stewards of Nature and so for me my my stewards of Nature and so for me my my job my one thing job my one thing job my one thing and I I try to tell this to these kids and I I try to tell this to these kids and I I try to tell this to these kids that message me and that my my inboxes that message me and that my my inboxes that message me and that my my inboxes are full of this where they go you know are full of this where they go you know are full of this where they go you know the climate is burning and elephants are the climate is burning and elephants are the climate is burning and elephants are in Decline and tigers and and this and in Decline and tigers and and this and in Decline and tigers and and this and I'm like Oh my guys look first of all I'm like Oh my guys look first of all I'm like Oh my guys look first of all calm down first of all like go outside calm down first of all like go outside calm down first of all like go outside go get laid do something Have Fun

go get laid do something Have Fun go get laid do something Have Fun next pick something that you can affect next pick something that you can affect next pick something that you can affect and it doesn't have to be with the and it doesn't have to be with the and it doesn't have to be with the environment do something good on Earth environment do something good on Earth environment do something good on Earth go help somebody that needs food go help go help somebody that needs food go help go help somebody that needs food go help your elderly neighbor whatever it is your elderly neighbor whatever it is your elderly neighbor whatever it is practice practice with being effective practice practice with being effective practice practice with being effective at one thing at a time and so for me at one thing at a time and so for me at one thing at a time and so for me like I said from those early days of like I said from those early days of like I said from those early days of sitting there with JJ on the side of a sitting there with JJ on the side of a sitting there with JJ on the side of a river and going someone has to protect river and going someone has to protect river and going someone has to protect this this this um my concern is that we've lost 70 um my concern is that we've lost 70 um my concern is that we've lost 70 percent of the wildlife on this planet percent of the wildlife on this planet percent of the wildlife on this planet in the last 50 years that's a huge in the last 50 years that's a huge in the last 50 years that's a huge problem Wildlife maintain the ecosystems problem Wildlife maintain the ecosystems problem Wildlife maintain the ecosystems and so I have a very clear-cut very and so I have a very clear-cut very and so I have a very clear-cut very definable very measurable and provable definable very measurable and provable definable very measurable and provable thing that I'm fighting against and it's thing that I'm fighting against and it's thing that I'm fighting against and it's a very to me it's a very like small ask a very to me it's a very like small ask a very to me it's a very like small ask don't cut down the three percent of the don't cut down the three percent of the don't cut down the three percent of the world that has 50 of the biodiversity in world that has 50 of the biodiversity in world that has 50 of the biodiversity in it maybe let's keep some wild tigers for it maybe let's keep some wild tigers for it maybe let's keep some wild tigers for future generations and because tigers future generations and because tigers future generations and because tigers have their own inherent right to exist have their own inherent right to exist have their own inherent right to exist here that's my thing in terms of when we here that's my thing in terms of when we here that's my thing in terms of when we get to you know I get attacked for you get to you know I get attacked for you get to you know I get attacked for you know know know you should be a vegan you should be a vegan you should be a vegan okay okay okay you show you you have me roll into a you show you you have me roll into a you show you you have me roll into a village in the Amazon when they offer me village in the Amazon when they offer me village in the Amazon when they offer me spider monkey and you tell me that I spider monkey and you tell me that I spider monkey and you tell me that I should be a vegan and you you see how should be a vegan and you you see how should be a vegan and you you see how much they respect you and you tell them much they respect you and you tell them much they respect you and you tell them that you're a vegan that you're a vegan that you're a vegan like like like um but no so for someone like Peterson I um but no so for someone like Peterson I um but no so for someone like Peterson I think it's actually good that he's first think it's actually good that he's first think it's actually good that he's first of all telling everyone to make their of all telling everyone to make their of all telling everyone to make their damn beds and uh and and exploring it damn beds and uh and and exploring it damn beds and uh and and exploring it through a different lens you know he's through a different lens you know he's through a different lens you know he's he's coming at it from a totally he's coming at it from a totally he's coming at it from a totally different thing and saying you know are

different thing and saying you know are different thing and saying you know are we just being alarmist here are we what we just being alarmist here are we what we just being alarmist here are we what I mean again imagine if you know that I mean again imagine if you know that I mean again imagine if you know that imagine if they're imagine if they're imagine if they're there isn't a problem and they're then there isn't a problem and they're then there isn't a problem and they're then they're making one out of it and all the they're making one out of it and all the they're making one out of it and all the implications that that could have for implications that that could have for implications that that could have for Progress it's like so I think what he's Progress it's like so I think what he's Progress it's like so I think what he's doing is is perfectly reasonable doing is is perfectly reasonable doing is is perfectly reasonable um there is a podcast though where he's um there is a podcast though where he's um there is a podcast though where he's he's he's he's it was a great one though where he's it was a great one though where he's it was a great one though where he's he's discussing animal intelligence and he's discussing animal intelligence and he's discussing animal intelligence and and I could really see that that you and I could really see that that you and I could really see that that you know the human psyche and Theology and know the human psyche and Theology and know the human psyche and Theology and and religion is so much his world that and religion is so much his world that and religion is so much his world that that the the really the the idea of that the the really the the idea of that the the really the the idea of animals being intelligent was novel and animals being intelligent was novel and animals being intelligent was novel and it was and it was fascinating yeah it was and it was fascinating yeah it was and it was fascinating yeah that's why I would love the two years to that's why I would love the two years to that's why I would love the two years to talk just I don't know and hopefully I'm talk just I don't know and hopefully I'm talk just I don't know and hopefully I'm not out of line here but he is so not out of line here but he is so not out of line here but he is so focused on the human mind that I think he forgets that I think he forgets that there's other that there's other that there's other life out there there's this whole life out there there's this whole life out there there's this whole machine of intelligence of a kind of machine of intelligence of a kind of machine of intelligence of a kind of intelligence out there intelligence out there intelligence out there this entire trillions of species tiny this entire trillions of species tiny this entire trillions of species tiny and big just calling just moving and and big just calling just moving and and big just calling just moving and everywhere everywhere and we're actually everywhere everywhere and we're actually everywhere everywhere and we're actually part of it so like to look at a human part of it so like to look at a human part of it so like to look at a human psychologist distinct from that is psychologist distinct from that is psychologist distinct from that is missing at least some of the picture missing at least some of the picture missing at least some of the picture some of the picture I do believe though some of the picture I do believe though some of the picture I do believe though I would agree with him on that humans I would agree with him on that humans I would agree with him on that humans are unique human psychology is unique we are unique human psychology is unique we are unique human psychology is unique we just are but but I also you know it's

just are but but I also you know it's just are but but I also you know it's he's in such an interesting he's in such an interesting he's in such an interesting place because usually you have place because usually you have place because usually you have you know environmentalists who are like you know environmentalists who are like you know environmentalists who are like you know nature nature nature and then you know nature nature nature and then you know nature nature nature and then you and that's very anti-human you and that's very anti-human you and that's very anti-human and then you have the other side and and then you have the other side and and then you have the other side and it's like he's he's he's on this path it's like he's he's he's on this path it's like he's he's he's on this path where he's he's starting to explore what where he's he's starting to explore what where he's he's starting to explore what those like diverse intelligences mean those like diverse intelligences mean those like diverse intelligences mean and that that to me is really amazing and that that to me is really amazing and that that to me is really amazing because I love hearing what he'll do because I love hearing what he'll do because I love hearing what he'll do with that and I think also on top of with that and I think also on top of with that and I think also on top of that that that I think if you're aware of nature I think if you're aware of nature I think if you're aware of nature deeply aware of nature it gives you deeply aware of nature it gives you deeply aware of nature it gives you another perspective on their another perspective on their another perspective on their evolutionary history of humans evolutionary history of humans evolutionary history of humans it's one thing to be an evolutionary it's one thing to be an evolutionary it's one thing to be an evolutionary biologist and kind of study it from a biologist and kind of study it from a biologist and kind of study it from a like philosophical perspective and it's like philosophical perspective and it's like philosophical perspective and it's the other to really I think experience the other to really I think experience the other to really I think experience it and deeply know it to see I don't it and deeply know it to see I don't it and deeply know it to see I don't know know know the fact that we came from fish should the fact that we came from fish should the fact that we came from fish should really be cognizant of that that's really be cognizant of that that's really be cognizant of that that's something else that's like something else that's like something else that's like I don't know uh to realize that we're I don't know uh to realize that we're I don't know uh to realize that we're part of a Computing machine that created part of a Computing machine that created part of a Computing machine that created intelligence report well part of the intelligence report well part of the intelligence report well part of the thing that started bacteria and is now thing that started bacteria and is now thing that started bacteria and is now creating AI creating AI creating AI and yeah and uh and yeah and uh and yeah and uh uh I don't know Dunkin Donuts I don't uh I don't know Dunkin Donuts I don't uh I don't know Dunkin Donuts I don't know what else is impressive the other know what else is impressive the other know what else is impressive the other great human achievement he's the other great human achievement he's the other great human achievement he's the other great view I was thinking well what's great view I was thinking well what's great view I was thinking well what's interesting about Boston but I feel like interesting about Boston but I feel like interesting about Boston but I feel like we keep we keep scratching up against we keep we keep scratching up against we keep we keep scratching up against this thing in this conversation that this thing in this conversation that this thing in this conversation that that that it's so easy 50 I think that that it's so easy 50 I think that that it's so easy 50 I think something like 50 or more percent of the something like 50 or more percent of the something like 50 or more percent of the humans on this planet live in cities humans on this planet live in cities humans on this planet live in cities and I think it's so easy for people to

and I think it's so easy for people to and I think it's so easy for people to forget that we share this planet with so forget that we share this planet with so forget that we share this planet with so many other things and and many other things and and many other things and and and I think that that sort of that we're and I think that that sort of that we're and I think that that sort of that we're we're in a little in a way we're almost we're in a little in a way we're almost we're in a little in a way we're almost like ecological orphans and that we've like ecological orphans and that we've like ecological orphans and that we've left the the things that actually make left the the things that actually make left the the things that actually make us feel at home and that's a bit of a us feel at home and that's a bit of a us feel at home and that's a bit of a stretch because I don't know if stretch because I don't know if stretch because I don't know if everybody feels that way but for me I everybody feels that way but for me I everybody feels that way but for me I mean professionally as an expedition mean professionally as an expedition mean professionally as an expedition guide when I take people into nature I guide when I take people into nature I guide when I take people into nature I see what happens to them see what happens to them see what happens to them and they leave going I mean it doesn't and they leave going I mean it doesn't and they leave going I mean it doesn't have to be the Amazon it could be you have to be the Amazon it could be you have to be the Amazon it could be you know Upstate New York but it's like if know Upstate New York but it's like if know Upstate New York but it's like if you do it the right way if you if you you do it the right way if you if you you do it the right way if you if you remove the fear of you know breaking an remove the fear of you know breaking an remove the fear of you know breaking an ankle seeing a snake being bitten by a ankle seeing a snake being bitten by a ankle seeing a snake being bitten by a mosquito all that stuff if you can get mosquito all that stuff if you can get mosquito all that stuff if you can get people to a peaceful moment people to a peaceful moment people to a peaceful moment and you're fly fishing and you're fly fishing and you're fly fishing a lot of times they'll take that moment a lot of times they'll take that moment a lot of times they'll take that moment they'll talk about it the rest of their they'll talk about it the rest of their they'll talk about it the rest of their life if they don't if they don't live in life if they don't if they don't live in life if they don't if they don't live in that you know then there's those of us that you know then there's those of us that you know then there's those of us who spend our lives doing that but for a who spend our lives doing that but for a who spend our lives doing that but for a reason reason reason because it's the only place we feel sane because it's the only place we feel sane because it's the only place we feel sane and you were kind enough to suggest that and you were kind enough to suggest that and you were kind enough to suggest that we might travel together for a time at we might travel together for a time at we might travel together for a time at some point if uh if we do that if we some point if uh if we do that if we some point if uh if we do that if we journey together where would you journey together where would you journey together where would you recommend we should go recommend we should go recommend we should go so what I would want to show you is so what I would want to show you is so what I would want to show you is is sort of I'd want to take you to is sort of I'd want to take you to is sort of I'd want to take you to church I'd want to take you to take you church I'd want to take you to take you church I'd want to take you to take you to take you to see the giant trees take to take you to see the giant trees take to take you to see the giant trees take you to meet the old the old gods really you to meet the old the old gods really you to meet the old the old gods really um there's places when you walk in off um there's places when you walk in off um there's places when you walk in off the river the river the river that are so deep in the forest you know that are so deep in the forest you know that are so deep in the forest you know and again this is now we we do this we

and again this is now we we do this we and again this is now we we do this we have the boats we have the Rangers we we have the boats we have the Rangers we we have the boats we have the Rangers we we protect this ecological Corridor now protect this ecological Corridor now protect this ecological Corridor now um and so it would be taking you to meet um and so it would be taking you to meet um and so it would be taking you to meet some of those loggers that that we some of those loggers that that we some of those loggers that that we converted it'd be taking you we'd have converted it'd be taking you we'd have converted it'd be taking you we'd have to go to the floating Forest to go to the floating Forest to go to the floating Forest um meet some of the trees that I love um meet some of the trees that I love um meet some of the trees that I love the most go piranha fishing and like the most go piranha fishing and like the most go piranha fishing and like really just spend really just spend really just spend my ideal trip for you would be would be my ideal trip for you would be would be my ideal trip for you would be would be to spend to spend to spend five days of you know airplane mode five days of you know airplane mode five days of you know airplane mode phone phone phone completely living out comfortable I'm completely living out comfortable I'm completely living out comfortable I'm not saying I don't want to you know I not saying I don't want to you know I not saying I don't want to you know I don't want to torture you I'm saying go don't want to torture you I'm saying go don't want to torture you I'm saying go and live comfortably on an expedition in and live comfortably on an expedition in and live comfortably on an expedition in the Amazon and that means a few days at the Amazon and that means a few days at the Amazon and that means a few days at this research station maybe go up River this research station maybe go up River this research station maybe go up River three days and Camp up here just on the three days and Camp up here just on the three days and Camp up here just on the edge of where the uncontacteds are and edge of where the uncontacteds are and edge of where the uncontacteds are and then come back and then see the jungle then come back and then see the jungle then come back and then see the jungle keeper station but along the way seeing keeper station but along the way seeing keeper station but along the way seeing all the special sacred places it would all the special sacred places it would all the special sacred places it would be almost like saying like let's go see be almost like saying like let's go see be almost like saying like let's go see you know all the treasures of Italy it's you know all the treasures of Italy it's you know all the treasures of Italy it's like this is one of the most beautiful like this is one of the most beautiful like this is one of the most beautiful things on earth and and I've had the things on earth and and I've had the things on earth and and I've had the incredible almost unbelievable Fortune incredible almost unbelievable Fortune incredible almost unbelievable Fortune to be responsible for protecting it and to be responsible for protecting it and to be responsible for protecting it and and uh I don't and uh I don't and uh I don't you know I think it's I think it's a you know I think it's I think it's a you know I think it's I think it's a privilege to be able to share that with privilege to be able to share that with privilege to be able to share that with people to be able to witness people to be able to witness people to be able to witness what this Earth has created just and what this Earth has created just and what this Earth has created just and it's it's you know it's been just a gift it's it's you know it's been just a gift it's it's you know it's been just a gift just even to follow your Instagram just even to follow your Instagram just even to follow your Instagram the window you the window you create on the window you the window you create on the window you the window you create on the on this part of the world the on this part of the world the on this part of the world is just really beautiful I I do want to

is just really beautiful I I do want to is just really beautiful I I do want to ask on that ask on that ask on that foreign foreign foreign maybe it's like uh behind the scenes a maybe it's like uh behind the scenes a maybe it's like uh behind the scenes a little bit but how do you keep the little bit but how do you keep the little bit but how do you keep the equipment dry like how do you equipment dry like how do you equipment dry like how do you like how hard like how hard like how hard is bringing equipment to the cameras is bringing equipment to the cameras is bringing equipment to the cameras you're an incredible filmmaker and you're an incredible filmmaker and you're an incredible filmmaker and photographer so how do you make it work photographer so how do you make it work photographer so how do you make it work I don't know it's not that hard we we I don't know it's not that hard we we I don't know it's not that hard we we really it's not that bad what it is wet really it's not that bad what it is wet really it's not that bad what it is wet the new iPhones are waterproof and if the new iPhones are waterproof and if the new iPhones are waterproof and if they don't get I'm telling you dude it's they don't get I'm telling you dude it's they don't get I'm telling you dude it's been such a weapon it's been awesome been such a weapon it's been awesome been such a weapon it's been awesome um if you drop it in the river my one um if you drop it in the river my one um if you drop it in the river my one thing is you gotta have a tether because thing is you gotta have a tether because thing is you gotta have a tether because I drop it all the time and so I'll be I drop it all the time and so I'll be I drop it all the time and so I'll be hanging off a boat I'll be trying to hanging off a boat I'll be trying to hanging off a boat I'll be trying to take a video and I'll be like here we take a video and I'll be like here we take a video and I'll be like here we are in the Amazon you can see the login are in the Amazon you can see the login are in the Amazon you can see the login Funk yeah that's the biggest thing but Funk yeah that's the biggest thing but Funk yeah that's the biggest thing but the the we shoot on canons and uh the the we shoot on canons and uh the the we shoot on canons and uh I don't know it's worked out it's not I don't know it's worked out it's not I don't know it's worked out it's not that bad oh really so you can keep the that bad oh really so you can keep the that bad oh really so you can keep the equipment dry I keep the equipment dry equipment dry I keep the equipment dry equipment dry I keep the equipment dry and I actually don't a lot of people put and I actually don't a lot of people put and I actually don't a lot of people put their shit in silica at night and like their shit in silica at night and like their shit in silica at night and like keep it dry and then they take it out keep it dry and then they take it out keep it dry and then they take it out and I find that when you do that the and I find that when you do that the and I find that when you do that the temperature chain change creates temperature chain change creates temperature chain change creates moisture inside the camera so what I do moisture inside the camera so what I do moisture inside the camera so what I do is I never do that I just keep my is I never do that I just keep my is I never do that I just keep my cameras in my backpack with a zipper so cameras in my backpack with a zipper so cameras in my backpack with a zipper so they're more or less exposed to the they're more or less exposed to the they're more or less exposed to the elements yeah and so it sort of always elements yeah and so it sort of always elements yeah and so it sort of always has a little bit of equilibrium has a little bit of equilibrium has a little bit of equilibrium and that's it I mean I shoot on some and that's it I mean I shoot on some and that's it I mean I shoot on some pretty fancy equipment sometimes and and pretty fancy equipment sometimes and and pretty fancy equipment sometimes and and it's great but I mean the awesome thing it's great but I mean the awesome thing it's great but I mean the awesome thing though now is that like with with with a though now is that like with with with a though now is that like with with with a cell phone I mean like I like I like put

cell phone I mean like I like I like put cell phone I mean like I like I like put my phone down on the ground a few weeks my phone down on the ground a few weeks my phone down on the ground a few weeks ago and like let this rhino like walk up ago and like let this rhino like walk up ago and like let this rhino like walk up to it and stuff and it's like you can to it and stuff and it's like you can to it and stuff and it's like you can get video footage that you can literally get video footage that you can literally get video footage that you can literally put on Netflix like it's just like it's put on Netflix like it's just like it's put on Netflix like it's just like it's it's getting really exciting and that's it's getting really exciting and that's it's getting really exciting and that's where like where like where like um right where I deviate from the the um right where I deviate from the the um right where I deviate from the the nature people that are like we need to nature people that are like we need to nature people that are like we need to go back and live in cabins I'm like dude go back and live in cabins I'm like dude go back and live in cabins I'm like dude this is awesome and I love taking this is awesome and I love taking this is awesome and I love taking slow-mos like like no way it makes you slow-mos like like no way it makes you slow-mos like like no way it makes you reappreciated but just by yourself just reappreciated but just by yourself just reappreciated but just by yourself just reappreciate over and over and over and reappreciate over and over and over and reappreciate over and over and over and then you can also share it with the then you can also share it with the then you can also share it with the world well that's the thing is sharing world well that's the thing is sharing world well that's the thing is sharing it with people there's nothing better it with people there's nothing better it with people there's nothing better than like than like than like teaching a kid to catch a fish you know teaching a kid to catch a fish you know teaching a kid to catch a fish you know and like and like in in a way Instagram and like and like in in a way Instagram and like and like in in a way Instagram has allowed us to do that where it's has allowed us to do that where it's has allowed us to do that where it's like I can have this crazy ass moment like I can have this crazy ass moment like I can have this crazy ass moment that that is so unique and then and then that that is so unique and then and then that that is so unique and then and then put it up for people to see you know or put it up for people to see you know or put it up for people to see you know or I mean I remember one of the most recent I mean I remember one of the most recent I mean I remember one of the most recent things that got people you never know things that got people you never know things that got people you never know what's going to get people excited what's going to get people excited what's going to get people excited um I literally just like there was like um I literally just like there was like um I literally just like there was like you know 3 000 butterflies on the beach you know 3 000 butterflies on the beach you know 3 000 butterflies on the beach and they were like black red and blue and they were like black red and blue and they were like black red and blue beautiful butterflies and I just like beautiful butterflies and I just like beautiful butterflies and I just like panned the phone across it and then like panned the phone across it and then like panned the phone across it and then like jumped in the river and swam away and jumped in the river and swam away and jumped in the river and swam away and like threw that up on Instagram and like threw that up on Instagram and like threw that up on Instagram and people went berserk they're like this is people went berserk they're like this is people went berserk they're like this is the most amazing thing like four the most amazing thing like four the most amazing thing like four different accounts reached out to try different accounts reached out to try different accounts reached out to try and share it and I was like butterflies and share it and I was like butterflies and share it and I was like butterflies they're everywhere there's four thousand they're everywhere there's four thousand they're everywhere there's four thousand species of butterfly in the Amazon like species of butterfly in the Amazon like species of butterfly in the Amazon like but but sharing that with people is is but but sharing that with people is is but but sharing that with people is is beautiful how do you find the thing to beautiful how do you find the thing to beautiful how do you find the thing to shoot how do you how do you come up with shoot how do you how do you come up with shoot how do you how do you come up with the butterflies how do you notice the the butterflies how do you notice the the butterflies how do you notice the thing that's beautiful and say I'm gonna thing that's beautiful and say I'm gonna thing that's beautiful and say I'm gonna wait a minute like pause this is wait a minute like pause this is wait a minute like pause this is beautiful let me take a let me let me beautiful let me take a let me let me beautiful let me take a let me let me take a picture of this because like

take a picture of this because like take a picture of this because like sometimes you might get used to yeah the sometimes you might get used to yeah the sometimes you might get used to yeah the beauty right yeah beauty right yeah beauty right yeah yeah or like sometimes simple crazy yeah or like sometimes simple crazy yeah or like sometimes simple crazy things like like leaf cutter ants yeah things like like leaf cutter ants yeah things like like leaf cutter ants yeah they're just walking by they become it they're just walking by they become it they're just walking by they become it becomes pedestrian it's like well I mean becomes pedestrian it's like well I mean becomes pedestrian it's like well I mean just like when you're you know you're just like when you're you know you're just like when you're you know you're living at the elephant camp and it's living at the elephant camp and it's living at the elephant camp and it's like the elephant comes out and he like the elephant comes out and he like the elephant comes out and he starts like trashing the water bucket starts like trashing the water bucket starts like trashing the water bucket we're all like would just stop yeah we're all like would just stop yeah we're all like would just stop yeah we're trying to watch peaky blinders we're trying to watch peaky blinders we're trying to watch peaky blinders here so yeah just leave us alone it here so yeah just leave us alone it here so yeah just leave us alone it becomes normal after a while yeah um becomes normal after a while yeah um becomes normal after a while yeah um uh but no in the in the jungle I don't I uh but no in the in the jungle I don't I uh but no in the in the jungle I don't I don't that's never a struggle for me don't that's never a struggle for me don't that's never a struggle for me because as a photographer it's like because as a photographer it's like because as a photographer it's like whenever my eye hits on something I went whenever my eye hits on something I went whenever my eye hits on something I went I've never seen that many of those I've never seen that many of those I've never seen that many of those butterflies all the same species butterflies all the same species butterflies all the same species together and like this oh yeah I'm together and like this oh yeah I'm together and like this oh yeah I'm trying to get this one thing that the trying to get this one thing that the trying to get this one thing that the butterflies do is in the dry season the butterflies do is in the dry season the butterflies do is in the dry season the salt deposits you'll get like salt deposits you'll get like salt deposits you'll get like three or four maybe five thousand three or four maybe five thousand three or four maybe five thousand butterflies butterflies butterflies all coming onto this one area of sand all coming onto this one area of sand all coming onto this one area of sand because there'll be like some leaching because there'll be like some leaching because there'll be like some leaching there'll be some some salt deposit there there'll be some some salt deposit there there'll be some some salt deposit there or something or something or something and they'll all be Wings flat against and they'll all be Wings flat against and they'll all be Wings flat against the ground with their with their the ground with their with their the ground with their with their proboscises on the sand and if you go proboscises on the sand and if you go proboscises on the sand and if you go walk near them they will Vortex up and walk near them they will Vortex up and walk near them they will Vortex up and you have a rainbow Vortex of butterflies you have a rainbow Vortex of butterflies you have a rainbow Vortex of butterflies and you can like go run through that and you can like go run through that and you can like go run through that and it's surreal and I want to what I and it's surreal and I want to what I and it's surreal and I want to what I want to do is get the shot where I I want to do is get the shot where I I want to do is get the shot where I I guess leave the phone recording in guess leave the phone recording in guess leave the phone recording in slow-mo facing up slow-mo facing up slow-mo facing up and leave it there for an hour let the and leave it there for an hour let the and leave it there for an hour let the butterflies come in and settle and then butterflies come in and settle and then butterflies come in and settle and then disturb them so I get the bottom of the

disturb them so I get the bottom of the disturb them so I get the bottom of the vortex of the bug I'm like these are the vortex of the bug I'm like these are the vortex of the bug I'm like these are the ways I think where I'm like how can I ways I think where I'm like how can I ways I think where I'm like how can I show people the absolute mind-blowing show people the absolute mind-blowing show people the absolute mind-blowing you know with an eye Perfection it's you know with an eye Perfection it's you know with an eye Perfection it's amazing I mean that's what I have you amazing I mean that's what I have you amazing I mean that's what I have you know I'm sure that somebody else could know I'm sure that somebody else could know I'm sure that somebody else could do it with you know a red and and nail do it with you know a red and and nail do it with you know a red and and nail it but it's like that's what I have in it but it's like that's what I have in it but it's like that's what I have in the jungle because I have to travel the jungle because I have to travel the jungle because I have to travel light and I you know yeah I think that light and I you know yeah I think that light and I you know yeah I think that that that really that works I have the that that really that works I have the that that really that works I have the same thing when I was traveling in same thing when I was traveling in same thing when I was traveling in Ukraine you can go to Warzone it doesn't matter you can go to Warzone it doesn't matter it doesn't like uh it has to do with the it doesn't like uh it has to do with the it doesn't like uh it has to do with the you're talking about like with the like you're talking about like with the like you're talking about like with the like protecting your camera or not it feels protecting your camera or not it feels protecting your camera or not it feels like the more you protect stuff the more like the more you protect stuff the more like the more you protect stuff the more it's gonna get it damaged yeah like so it's gonna get it damaged yeah like so it's gonna get it damaged yeah like so like see like my cameras they're all like see like my cameras they're all like see like my cameras they're all missing this is like this is amazing to missing this is like this is amazing to missing this is like this is amazing to me so all my cameras are missing the me so all my cameras are missing the me so all my cameras are missing the they're all how you can see the metal they're all how you can see the metal they're all how you can see the metal through the paint nice so all this and through the paint nice so all this and through the paint nice so all this and so like they're all because I'm so like they're all because I'm so like they're all because I'm constantly like I'll like slide in and constantly like I'll like slide in and constantly like I'll like slide in and like take a picture and like they're like take a picture and like they're like take a picture and like they're banged up but these they're good they're banged up but these they're good they're banged up but these they're good they're good machines I think they get tough good machines I think they get tough good machines I think they get tough over time if you put them through it's over time if you put them through it's over time if you put them through it's like the immune system like it's like like the immune system like it's like like the immune system like it's like muscles it's like David Goggins cameras muscles it's like David Goggins cameras muscles it's like David Goggins cameras if you gotta you gotta make them suffer if you gotta you gotta make them suffer if you gotta you gotta make them suffer every day every day every day yeah uh what's your view on Hunting yeah uh what's your view on Hunting yeah uh what's your view on Hunting um so you really hate poachers I really um so you really hate poachers I really um so you really hate poachers I really hate poachers how do they operate who hate poachers how do they operate who hate poachers how do they operate who are they what are they up to what do are they what are they up to what do are they what are they up to what do they do they do they do poachers to me are the people that are poachers to me are the people that are poachers to me are the people that are going in and annihilating Wildlife for

going in and annihilating Wildlife for going in and annihilating Wildlife for profit without any profit without any profit without any you know the people that are going in you know the people that are going in you know the people that are going in and and machine gunning an elephant to and and machine gunning an elephant to and and machine gunning an elephant to take its tusks yeah the people that are take its tusks yeah the people that are take its tusks yeah the people that are sneaking into protected areas in Africa sneaking into protected areas in Africa sneaking into protected areas in Africa and shooting rhinos and shooting rhinos and shooting rhinos so they can cut off their horns before so they can cut off their horns before so they can cut off their horns before the animal's even dead while its baby is the animal's even dead while its baby is the animal's even dead while its baby is beside it beside it beside it so and and there's a difference between so and and there's a difference between so and and there's a difference between a poacher and a hunter a poacher and a hunter a poacher and a hunter I'm a Hunter I'm a Hunter I'm a Hunter JJ's a hunter I I work with an JJ's a hunter I I work with an JJ's a hunter I I work with an organization called vetpaw in Africa and organization called vetpaw in Africa and organization called vetpaw in Africa and they use United States veterans who have they use United States veterans who have they use United States veterans who have come back Post 9 11 Veterans who have come back Post 9 11 Veterans who have come back Post 9 11 Veterans who have come back from the war and have these come back from the war and have these come back from the war and have these skills skills skills and they've been using these guys to and they've been using these guys to and they've been using these guys to protect the last Black Rhinos white protect the last Black Rhinos white protect the last Black Rhinos white rhinos elephants and so we've I've rhinos elephants and so we've I've rhinos elephants and so we've I've gotten to see this play out on a private gotten to see this play out on a private gotten to see this play out on a private reserve in Africa where reserve in Africa where reserve in Africa where these incredible people have decided to these incredible people have decided to these incredible people have decided to protect zebras wildebeests all types of protect zebras wildebeests all types of protect zebras wildebeests all types of Impala giraffes several herds of Impala giraffes several herds of Impala giraffes several herds of elephants white rhinos Black Rhinos all elephants white rhinos Black Rhinos all elephants white rhinos Black Rhinos all of this stuff is protected of this stuff is protected of this stuff is protected and what's interesting is and what's interesting is and what's interesting is it's a Hunting Preserve it's a Hunting Preserve it's a Hunting Preserve and so and so and so it's been very interesting and it's been very interesting and it's been very interesting and challenging sharing my work there with challenging sharing my work there with challenging sharing my work there with the public because for instance I went the public because for instance I went the public because for instance I went to a very high profile photographer to a very high profile photographer to a very high profile photographer recently and I said you have to get over recently and I said you have to get over recently and I said you have to get over here and see this it's it's amazing what here and see this it's it's amazing what here and see this it's it's amazing what these people have done it's this Reserve these people have done it's this Reserve these people have done it's this Reserve called buffalo kloof and they've you called buffalo kloof and they've you called buffalo kloof and they've you know this this rescued families of know this this rescued families of know this this rescued families of elephants and they have you can see a

elephants and they have you can see a elephants and they have you can see a black rhino every day if you want to black rhino every day if you want to black rhino every day if you want to this is so they're critically endangered this is so they're critically endangered this is so they're critically endangered and it's because of the work that vetpod and it's because of the work that vetpod and it's because of the work that vetpod does does does protecting these animals from poachers protecting these animals from poachers protecting these animals from poachers but what people don't understand is that but what people don't understand is that but what people don't understand is that hunting happens all the time on the hunting happens all the time on the hunting happens all the time on the reserve not for the elephants and the reserve not for the elephants and the reserve not for the elephants and the Rhinos those are those are special and Rhinos those are those are special and Rhinos those are those are special and they will never be hunted there but they will never be hunted there but they will never be hunted there but things like an Impala things like an things like an Impala things like an things like an Impala things like an inyala a wildebeest a zebra inyala a wildebeest a zebra inyala a wildebeest a zebra there aren't as many predators as there there aren't as many predators as there there aren't as many predators as there used to be so if you leave those animals unhunted you know without the wolf to unhunted you know without the wolf to chase the herd to thin off the ones that chase the herd to thin off the ones that chase the herd to thin off the ones that are old and dying or sick are old and dying or sick are old and dying or sick well then you just have animals that are well then you just have animals that are well then you just have animals that are old and dying and sick walking around old and dying and sick walking around old and dying and sick walking around suffering and so on reserves like this suffering and so on reserves like this suffering and so on reserves like this they hunt they hunt they hunt and they take the old ones and they use and they take the old ones and they use and they take the old ones and they use the funding from hunting no one's going the funding from hunting no one's going the funding from hunting no one's going to pay you thirty thousand dollars to to pay you thirty thousand dollars to to pay you thirty thousand dollars to take a picture of a buffalo but they'll take a picture of a buffalo but they'll take a picture of a buffalo but they'll pay you thirty thousand dollars to hunt pay you thirty thousand dollars to hunt pay you thirty thousand dollars to hunt a buffalo a buffalo a buffalo and so these reserves responsibly and and so these reserves responsibly and and so these reserves responsibly and ethically on foot ethically on foot ethically on foot can go hunting and manage and again if can go hunting and manage and again if can go hunting and manage and again if they if they were hunting rhinos or if they if they were hunting rhinos or if they if they were hunting rhinos or if they're hunting elephants I'd be out in they're hunting elephants I'd be out in they're hunting elephants I'd be out in a second the hunting non-endanger a second the hunting non-endanger a second the hunting non-endanger species they're hunting non-endangered species they're hunting non-endangered species they're hunting non-endangered species a hunting game species and the species a hunting game species and the species a hunting game species and the the difference is that a poacher is the difference is that a poacher is the difference is that a poacher is gonna and so those are responsible gonna and so those are responsible gonna and so those are responsible Hunters that are ecologists and Hunters that are ecologists and Hunters that are ecologists and conservationists whereas a poacher is conservationists whereas a poacher is conservationists whereas a poacher is someone that will come in and kill someone that will come in and kill someone that will come in and kill recklessly recklessly recklessly and murder an animal for no reason for a and murder an animal for no reason for a and murder an animal for no reason for a part to sell part to sell part to sell I would love to travel together actually

I would love to travel together actually I would love to travel together actually um so um let's let's we'll talk offline um so um let's let's we'll talk offline um so um let's let's we'll talk offline I would love to make that happen if you I would love to make that happen if you I would love to make that happen if you allow me I'm I'm 100 serious man I've allow me I'm I'm 100 serious man I've allow me I'm I'm 100 serious man I've tremendous respect for your work and tremendous respect for your work and tremendous respect for your work and I've been watching you since the I've been watching you since the I've been watching you since the beginning I would love to do that beginning I would love to do that beginning I would love to do that together together together um I've been I've been I've talked to Joe quite a bit about it I've talked to Joe quite a bit about it I've talked to Joe quite a bit about it and I really and I really and I really love the idea of eating the meat that love the idea of eating the meat that love the idea of eating the meat that I've hunted it's mostly what I eat is I've hunted it's mostly what I eat is I've hunted it's mostly what I eat is meat not for dietary I don't have any meat not for dietary I don't have any meat not for dietary I don't have any weird constraints on my diet and so on I weird constraints on my diet and so on I weird constraints on my diet and so on I just really enjoy eating meat just really enjoy eating meat just really enjoy eating meat uh that's really good and uh there is a uh that's really good and uh there is a uh that's really good and uh there is a part of me that's bothered by factory part of me that's bothered by factory part of me that's bothered by factory farming yes sure that uh it's very farming yes sure that uh it's very farming yes sure that uh it's very easily accessible to me but there's easily accessible to me but there's easily accessible to me but there's something deeply wrong with it something deeply wrong with it something deeply wrong with it um part of the reason I love fishing and um part of the reason I love fishing and um part of the reason I love fishing and eating the the the fish that I catch it eating the the the fish that I catch it eating the the the fish that I catch it just seems to be um just seems to be um just seems to be um more ethical but also more ethical but also more ethical but also a more intimate deep connection honest a more intimate deep connection honest a more intimate deep connection honest connection with uh with nature you get connection with uh with nature you get connection with uh with nature you get to see the killing of the food that to see the killing of the food that to see the killing of the food that you're consuming versus you're consuming versus you're consuming versus removing that from the picture not even removing that from the picture not even removing that from the picture not even thinking about it not thinking about thinking about it not thinking about thinking about it not thinking about that this came from the me and that this came from the me and that this came from the me and um um um yeah I love the idea that you kill I yeah I love the idea that you kill I yeah I love the idea that you kill I kill one animal and I eat that animal kill one animal and I eat that animal kill one animal and I eat that animal basically for the whole year yeah an basically for the whole year yeah an basically for the whole year yeah an ethically slaughtered animal whether ethically slaughtered animal whether ethically slaughtered animal whether it's a fish or a deer or whatever else it's a fish or a deer or whatever else it's a fish or a deer or whatever else to me that's oh God how I'm gonna I'm to me that's oh God how I'm gonna I'm to me that's oh God how I'm gonna I'm gonna use the wrong religious term here

gonna use the wrong religious term here gonna use the wrong religious term here but there's a there's a I feel like I but there's a there's a I feel like I but there's a there's a I feel like I want to use the word like Sacrament but want to use the word like Sacrament but want to use the word like Sacrament but it's like there's a there's a there's a it's like there's a there's a there's a it's like there's a there's a there's a deeply deeply deeply profound ritual profound ritual profound ritual and and honestly honestly if you if you and and honestly honestly if you if you and and honestly honestly if you if you teach a kid to grow a vegetable you show teach a kid to grow a vegetable you show teach a kid to grow a vegetable you show a kid how to grow a carrot and the the a kid how to grow a carrot and the the a kid how to grow a carrot and the the miracle of like wait I put a this thing miracle of like wait I put a this thing miracle of like wait I put a this thing just grew in there it just appeared just grew in there it just appeared just grew in there it just appeared because there was sunlight and it's like because there was sunlight and it's like because there was sunlight and it's like yeah yeah yeah the the the the the the to me yes you that when you feel that to me yes you that when you feel that to me yes you that when you feel that fish tug on the line to me it it does fish tug on the line to me it it does fish tug on the line to me it it does something that that awakens a deep something that that awakens a deep something that that awakens a deep Primal something this satisfaction and Primal something this satisfaction and Primal something this satisfaction and then when you eat that you feel you feel then when you eat that you feel you feel then when you eat that you feel you feel good and and so I think the other thing good and and so I think the other thing good and and so I think the other thing like sort of functionally speaking is like sort of functionally speaking is like sort of functionally speaking is that aside from the fact that I think that aside from the fact that I think that aside from the fact that I think it's one of the original it's one of the original it's one of the original we were so disconnected like we should we were so disconnected like we should we were so disconnected like we should be hunting we should be Gathering be hunting we should be Gathering be hunting we should be Gathering walking more I mean look at like what walking more I mean look at like what walking more I mean look at like what what we discussed now like people are what we discussed now like people are what we discussed now like people are like oh you got to get your steps in for like oh you got to get your steps in for like oh you got to get your steps in for the day and it's like that never used to the day and it's like that never used to the day and it's like that never used to be a problem be a problem be a problem um um um you know people like well should should you know people like well should should you know people like well should should we be eating animals and it's like what we be eating animals and it's like what we be eating animals and it's like what do you think we do here on Earth like do you think we do here on Earth like do you think we do here on Earth like I'm not sure how you got so confused I'm not sure how you got so confused I'm not sure how you got so confused but Walmart did it to you like I don't but Walmart did it to you like I don't but Walmart did it to you like I don't know like what I it living where I've know like what I it living where I've know like what I it living where I've lived and I mean from 18 to 35 I feel lived and I mean from 18 to 35 I feel lived and I mean from 18 to 35 I feel like I've grown up I've lived more like I've grown up I've lived more like I've grown up I've lived more outside than I have inside and I've outside than I have inside and I've outside than I have inside and I've it's just to me like showing people it's just to me like showing people it's just to me like showing people these things I can see this miraculous these things I can see this miraculous these things I can see this miraculous Wonder in their eyes when they when they Wonder in their eyes when they when they Wonder in their eyes when they when they realize that they can reach out into the

realize that they can reach out into the realize that they can reach out into the world and interact with something and world and interact with something and world and interact with something and and so when I hear these like frantic and so when I hear these like frantic and so when I hear these like frantic people talking about you know whether or people talking about you know whether or people talking about you know whether or not it's right it's like no of course it not it's right it's like no of course it not it's right it's like no of course it is then again factory farming is is is then again factory farming is is is then again factory farming is is awful but but I try to stay I try and awful but but I try to stay I try and awful but but I try to stay I try and walk the line I'm worried about wild walk the line I'm worried about wild walk the line I'm worried about wild animals I'm worried about wild animals I'm worried about wild animals I'm worried about wild ecosystems ecosystems ecosystems the other thing that's sort of the other thing that's sort of the other thing that's sort of important about hunting is that if if important about hunting is that if if important about hunting is that if if People's livelihoods depend on People's livelihoods depend on People's livelihoods depend on salmon and elk and and ocean fisheries salmon and elk and and ocean fisheries salmon and elk and and ocean fisheries well then they'll fight to protect it well then they'll fight to protect it well then they'll fight to protect it naturally because it's part of their naturally because it's part of their naturally because it's part of their life and it's if everybody's going to life and it's if everybody's going to life and it's if everybody's going to Burger King and everybody's getting Burger King and everybody's getting Burger King and everybody's getting chicken wrapped in plastic they forget chicken wrapped in plastic they forget chicken wrapped in plastic they forget that the fish are there because they're that the fish are there because they're that the fish are there because they're too busy watching sitcoms and so then too busy watching sitcoms and so then too busy watching sitcoms and so then when the inter when the conglomerate when the inter when the conglomerate when the inter when the conglomerate comes in and builds a dam comes in and builds a dam comes in and builds a dam nobody really cares and then you just nobody really cares and then you just nobody really cares and then you just end up with a few hippies and signs end up with a few hippies and signs end up with a few hippies and signs standing next to the river and it standing next to the river and it standing next to the river and it becomes silly becomes silly becomes silly we forget the meaning we forget the meaning we forget the meaning you mentioned that Ayahuasca reveals for oh boy oh no the Ayahuasca reveals for oh boy oh no the the darkness that's there in the in the the darkness that's there in the in the the darkness that's there in the in the jungle jungle jungle there's Beauty but there's Darkness so there's Beauty but there's Darkness so there's Beauty but there's Darkness so what is what is it that I Oscar reveals what is what is it that I Oscar reveals what is what is it that I Oscar reveals what is the Heart of Darkness fuck it what is the Heart of Darkness fuck it what is the Heart of Darkness fuck it opens the Heart of Darkness right up opens the Heart of Darkness right up opens the Heart of Darkness right up um um I'm gonna show you a picture of um um I'm gonna show you a picture of um um I'm gonna show you a picture of him of our Shaman and then I'm going to him of our Shaman and then I'm going to him of our Shaman and then I'm going to ask you if you want to do Ayahuasca here ask you if you want to do Ayahuasca here ask you if you want to do Ayahuasca here not here in that sense it can only be not here in that sense it can only be not here in that sense it can only be done in the jungle anybody that tells

done in the jungle anybody that tells done in the jungle anybody that tells you I've heard people be like oh I did you I've heard people be like oh I did you I've heard people be like oh I did Ayahuasca in Brooklyn last week and I'm Ayahuasca in Brooklyn last week and I'm Ayahuasca in Brooklyn last week and I'm like no you didn't like no you didn't like no you didn't I actually told that to my native I actually told that to my native I actually told that to my native friends I went hey guess what I said a friends I went hey guess what I said a friends I went hey guess what I said a bunch of Gringos keep thinking they're bunch of Gringos keep thinking they're bunch of Gringos keep thinking they're doing Ayahuasca in Brooklyn and they doing Ayahuasca in Brooklyn and they doing Ayahuasca in Brooklyn and they were like howling laughing they're like were like howling laughing they're like were like howling laughing they're like you can't do it outside the jungle and I you can't do it outside the jungle and I you can't do it outside the jungle and I was like exactly I've never done was like exactly I've never done was like exactly I've never done Ayahuasca I would love to have uh I've Ayahuasca I would love to have uh I've Ayahuasca I would love to have uh I've done or eaten whatever mushrooms sure done or eaten whatever mushrooms sure done or eaten whatever mushrooms sure it's it's a wonderful experience I think it's it's a wonderful experience I think it's it's a wonderful experience I think it's wonderful um but ayahuasca it's wonderful um but ayahuasca it's wonderful um but ayahuasca oh man yeah see I'd done mushrooms I oh man yeah see I'd done mushrooms I oh man yeah see I'd done mushrooms I thought I was like okay and I I I yeah I thought I was like okay and I I I yeah I thought I was like okay and I I I yeah I was like I got this I had my notebook I was like I got this I had my notebook I was like I got this I had my notebook I was like I'm gonna Journal a little bit was like I'm gonna Journal a little bit was like I'm gonna Journal a little bit yeah you know and then but but you yeah you know and then but but you yeah you know and then but but you quickly yeah I quickly quickly realized quickly yeah I quickly quickly realized quickly yeah I quickly quickly realized how out of my depth I was and how how out of my depth I was and how how out of my depth I was and how unprepared I was for what was happening unprepared I was for what was happening unprepared I was for what was happening because you sit in a circle with these because you sit in a circle with these because you sit in a circle with these native guys and there's one you know native guys and there's one you know native guys and there's one you know he's got the feathers and he's old and he's got the feathers and he's old and he's got the feathers and he's old and he's got a face like the map of the he's got a face like the map of the he's got a face like the map of the world and he's he's smoking this fat old world and he's he's smoking this fat old world and he's he's smoking this fat old tobacco thing and tobacco thing and tobacco thing and he calls you forward and you kneel he calls you forward and you kneel he calls you forward and you kneel before him and you're going before him and you're going before him and you're going is it too late to back up and everyone's is it too late to back up and everyone's is it too late to back up and everyone's you know there's one candle and he blows you know there's one candle and he blows you know there's one candle and he blows smoke over the over the cup and he hands smoke over the over the cup and he hands smoke over the over the cup and he hands it to you and you're like again it's it to you and you're like again it's it to you and you're like again it's these it's these it's these these it's these it's these these it's these it's these like these things that you can't argue like these things that you can't argue like these things that you can't argue with it's these facts like as soon as with it's these facts like as soon as with it's these facts like as soon as this goes down I'm gone I know it and this goes down I'm gone I know it and this goes down I'm gone I know it and this is a moment in my life that I I this is a moment in my life that I I this is a moment in my life that I I have to either embarrass myself in front have to either embarrass myself in front have to either embarrass myself in front of everybody or I'm going forward with of everybody or I'm going forward with of everybody or I'm going forward with this and dish this and dish this and dish and then I went and sat and then I went and sat and then I went and sat you're sitting in the dark and it's

you're sitting in the dark and it's you're sitting in the dark and it's again so we're on a platform with a with again so we're on a platform with a with again so we're on a platform with a with palm thatched roof and the jungle is all palm thatched roof and the jungle is all palm thatched roof and the jungle is all around you so all those Millions tens of around you so all those Millions tens of around you so all those Millions tens of millions of frogs and insects are and millions of frogs and insects are and millions of frogs and insects are and I'm like all right cool and I remember I I'm like all right cool and I remember I I'm like all right cool and I remember I like you know like I tried to like light like you know like I tried to like light like you know like I tried to like light a cigarette or something and I went a cigarette or something and I went a cigarette or something and I went oh that's not gonna happen you know and oh that's not gonna happen you know and oh that's not gonna happen you know and then I and I I put my hands on the floor then I and I I put my hands on the floor then I and I I put my hands on the floor and like my experience I mean like we've and like my experience I mean like we've and like my experience I mean like we've done mushrooms you know it's like it's done mushrooms you know it's like it's done mushrooms you know it's like it's it's interesting it's introspective it's interesting it's introspective it's interesting it's introspective no this this was like somebody unzipped no this this was like somebody unzipped no this this was like somebody unzipped the Universe I I you know I spent a lot the Universe I I you know I spent a lot the Universe I I you know I spent a lot of without you boring people with it I of without you boring people with it I of without you boring people with it I spent a lot of time in in in like spent a lot of time in in in like spent a lot of time in in in like unconstructed dream space like floating unconstructed dream space like floating unconstructed dream space like floating between nebulas like there was a long between nebulas like there was a long between nebulas like there was a long period where there was no physical shape period where there was no physical shape period where there was no physical shape where I lived without a name and like so where I lived without a name and like so where I lived without a name and like so it's like it's like you get brought so it's like it's like you get brought so it's like it's like you get brought so deep down so elementally lost in the deep down so elementally lost in the deep down so elementally lost in the universe where like I truly felt like I universe where like I truly felt like I universe where like I truly felt like I was experiencing moving through places was experiencing moving through places was experiencing moving through places like like that like that uh like that like like that like that uh like that like like that like that uh like that um asteroid that I have like it's it's um asteroid that I have like it's it's um asteroid that I have like it's it's like a piece of your pure piece is like a piece of your pure piece is like a piece of your pure piece is something detached from the earth and so something detached from the earth and so something detached from the earth and so I I got back from it and uh I I got back from it and uh I I got back from it and uh I had a interesting new appreciation for I had a interesting new appreciation for I had a interesting new appreciation for Life uh I strongly suggest that people Life uh I strongly suggest that people Life uh I strongly suggest that people just do mushrooms like a normal person just do mushrooms like a normal person just do mushrooms like a normal person unless you unless you're ready so it was unless you unless you're ready so it was unless you unless you're ready so it was really intense it was really intense but really intense it was really intense but really intense it was really intense but to be fair the shaman who did it was to be fair the shaman who did it was to be fair the shaman who did it was like the old school guy yeah and he was like the old school guy yeah and he was like the old school guy yeah and he was he was getting up there in years and he

he was getting up there in years and he he was getting up there in years and he had forgotten and over boiled The Brew had forgotten and over boiled The Brew had forgotten and over boiled The Brew yeah and so we came back and I was like yeah and so we came back and I was like yeah and so we came back and I was like four in the morning and I had you know four in the morning and I had you know four in the morning and I had you know all this crazy shit I'd been on Journeys all this crazy shit I'd been on Journeys all this crazy shit I'd been on Journeys and years down there and so when I came and years down there and so when I came and years down there and so when I came back and I had like hands I started back and I had like hands I started back and I had like hands I started crying I started absolutely weeping crying I started absolutely weeping crying I started absolutely weeping gratitude gratitude that I was alive I gratitude gratitude that I was alive I gratitude gratitude that I was alive I was gonna get to see my people again I was gonna get to see my people again I was gonna get to see my people again I was like I have to see my parents again was like I have to see my parents again was like I have to see my parents again yeah I'm gonna get to talk I thought you yeah I'm gonna get to talk I thought you yeah I'm gonna get to talk I thought you might have be gone I was gone I was gone might have be gone I was gone I was gone might have be gone I was gone I was gone I was I was a I was a dimly conscious I was I was a I was a dimly conscious I was I was a I was a dimly conscious something floating in dark space and something floating in dark space and something floating in dark space and it's been what felt like years down it's been what felt like years down it's been what felt like years down there and so when I I really did feel there and so when I I really did feel there and so when I I really did feel like being reborn which I was like Cheap like being reborn which I was like Cheap like being reborn which I was like Cheap Trick like yeah you Trick like yeah you Trick like yeah you um but no the the the the way it moves um but no the the the the way it moves um but no the the the the way it moves You Through the Jungle the way the You Through the Jungle the way the You Through the Jungle the way the jungle moves through your skin jungle moves through your skin jungle moves through your skin there are moments of absolute majesty there are moments of absolute majesty there are moments of absolute majesty and incredible discovery that happened and incredible discovery that happened and incredible discovery that happened along the way along the way along the way um and on the way up the jungle brings um and on the way up the jungle brings um and on the way up the jungle brings you up and and the shaman brings you up you up and and the shaman brings you up you up and and the shaman brings you up and and you and you get to move through and and you and you get to move through and and you and you get to move through the forest in a way that the forest in a way that the forest in a way that it's almost like you're inhabiting the it's almost like you're inhabiting the it's almost like you're inhabiting the consciousness of animals very very very consciousness of animals very very very consciousness of animals very very very like I didn't think that hallucinogenics like I didn't think that hallucinogenics like I didn't think that hallucinogenics could do this to it to a brain you know could do this to it to a brain you know could do this to it to a brain you know mushrooms you're like oh I can I feel mushrooms you're like oh I can I feel mushrooms you're like oh I can I feel like I can feel music like really cool like I can feel music like really cool like I can feel music like really cool you know you guys want to watch the you know you guys want to watch the you know you guys want to watch the Penguins Penguins Penguins this is transformative like what yeah this is transformative like what yeah this is transformative like what yeah did that did that change you I don't did that did that change you I don't did that did that change you I don't know I think it definitely it definitely know I think it definitely it definitely know I think it definitely it definitely I I almost feel like it showed me the I I almost feel like it showed me the I I almost feel like it showed me the thing that I was scared the most of and thing that I was scared the most of and thing that I was scared the most of and it's that it was like that it's all just

it's that it was like that it's all just it's that it was like that it's all just cold dark nothing it like brought me to cold dark nothing it like brought me to cold dark nothing it like brought me to like the basement of the universe and I like the basement of the universe and I like the basement of the universe and I felt like the point of that was to to felt like the point of that was to to felt like the point of that was to to come back to this place where there's come back to this place where there's come back to this place where there's all this life and light and love and and all this life and light and love and and all this life and light and love and and all this amazing stuff that we all this amazing stuff that we all this amazing stuff that we experience on a day-to-day basis and experience on a day-to-day basis and experience on a day-to-day basis and don't take for granted and so just like don't take for granted and so just like don't take for granted and so just like almost dying this was like fully dying almost dying this was like fully dying almost dying this was like fully dying like they're you know like they're you know like they're you know but the great part is is that usually but the great part is is that usually but the great part is is that usually it's not that intense this guy had over it's not that intense this guy had over it's not that intense this guy had over boiled The Brew he had also I saw the boiled The Brew he had also I saw the boiled The Brew he had also I saw the vine afterwards most Ayahuasca Vines are vine afterwards most Ayahuasca Vines are vine afterwards most Ayahuasca Vines are like as thick as your arm this one was like as thick as your arm this one was like as thick as your arm this one was like as thick as a garbage can it was like as thick as a garbage can it was like as thick as a garbage can it was like the oldest Ayahuasca Vine you can like the oldest Ayahuasca Vine you can like the oldest Ayahuasca Vine you can imagine imagine imagine and at like four in the morning I like and at like four in the morning I like and at like four in the morning I like crawled over to my friend Chris who's a crawled over to my friend Chris who's a crawled over to my friend Chris who's a tough New York City firefighter we were tough New York City firefighter we were tough New York City firefighter we were like holding each other just like like holding each other just like like holding each other just like weeping just like thank God we're back weeping just like thank God we're back weeping just like thank God we're back and uh and uh and uh then we had to go looking for the shaman then we had to go looking for the shaman then we had to go looking for the shaman where the hell is this guy he's gone where the hell is this guy he's gone where the hell is this guy he's gone yeah we found him in the morning and he yeah we found him in the morning and he yeah we found him in the morning and he was laying in the Stream naked like E.T was laying in the Stream naked like E.T was laying in the Stream naked like E.T at the you know at the end when he's at the you know at the end when he's at the you know at the end when he's like laying like in the yeah he he like laying like in the yeah he he like laying like in the yeah he he kicked his own ass with that brew and he kicked his own ass with that brew and he kicked his own ass with that brew and he retired after that oh shit so we really retired after that oh shit so we really retired after that oh shit so we really got like we somebody turned the dial all got like we somebody turned the dial all got like we somebody turned the dial all the way up on us and so we got we got the way up on us and so we got we got the way up on us and so we got we got blasted so it's not supposed to be that blasted so it's not supposed to be that blasted so it's not supposed to be that bad but I think you're somebody who's bad but I think you're somebody who's bad but I think you're somebody who's Fearless in sort of diving into those Fearless in sort of diving into those Fearless in sort of diving into those kinds of places I think I also retire kinds of places I think I also retire kinds of places I think I also retire from Ayahuasca I could be Fearless with from Ayahuasca I could be Fearless with from Ayahuasca I could be Fearless with other things but I think I'm good other things but I think I'm good other things but I think I'm good it sounds kind of uh to me personally it sounds kind of uh to me personally it sounds kind of uh to me personally kind of exciting

kind of exciting kind of exciting why I think I think that you have a why I think I think that you have a why I think I think that you have a severely Fearless aspect to you I mean severely Fearless aspect to you I mean severely Fearless aspect to you I mean you're you're you're when you come up with something that when you come up with something that when you come up with something that intrigues you like if somebody told you intrigues you like if somebody told you intrigues you like if somebody told you right now that you could go right now that you could go right now that you could go physically into deep space I feel like physically into deep space I feel like physically into deep space I feel like you would do it yeah I did yeah if go to you would do it yeah I did yeah if go to you would do it yeah I did yeah if go to Mars yeah right and some of it is I don't even know if you have that I don't even know if you have that some of that is more Goggins like I want some of that is more Goggins like I want some of that is more Goggins like I want to see where my mind breaks by pushing to see where my mind breaks by pushing to see where my mind breaks by pushing it to it to it to tough places tough places tough places there's a curiosity of exploring the there's a curiosity of exploring the there's a curiosity of exploring the mind the limits of the mind I feel like mind the limits of the mind I feel like mind the limits of the mind I feel like you're not a cold plunge that's like you're not a cold plunge that's like you're not a cold plunge that's like you're not coming back right you're not coming back right you're not coming back right right and that's that's okay right and that's that's okay right and that's that's okay ah see no I have I I do I have ah see no I have I I do I have ah see no I have I I do I have I I'm with you on that I love seeing my I I'm with you on that I love seeing my I I'm with you on that I love seeing my limits I absolutely love seeing my limits I absolutely love seeing my limits I absolutely love seeing my limits I love getting my ass kicked I limits I love getting my ass kicked I limits I love getting my ass kicked I love being shown how insignificant I am love being shown how insignificant I am love being shown how insignificant I am but when it comes to something like that but when it comes to something like that but when it comes to something like that where you got to push your chips in it's where you got to push your chips in it's where you got to push your chips in it's got to be something for me it's got to got to be something for me it's got to got to be something for me it's got to be a hill that I believe in before I die be a hill that I believe in before I die be a hill that I believe in before I die on it and it's like on it and it's like on it and it's like like to me the the promise of exploring like to me the the promise of exploring like to me the the promise of exploring space isn't enough but space isn't enough but space isn't enough but like even just the way I mean you said like even just the way I mean you said like even just the way I mean you said you're like I'm going to Ukraine here I you're like I'm going to Ukraine here I you're like I'm going to Ukraine here I go go go you know there's a certain you know there's a certain you know there's a certain um um um dedication to to curiosity dedication to to curiosity dedication to to curiosity at any expense at any expense at any expense and I think that that is something that

and I think that that is something that and I think that that is something that maybe we share in very in in different maybe we share in very in in different maybe we share in very in in different directions directions directions something tells me without with those something tells me without with those something tells me without with those with those crocodiles outside I would with those crocodiles outside I would with those crocodiles outside I would have gotten eaten something tells me have gotten eaten something tells me have gotten eaten something tells me there's some something trying to there's some something trying to there's some something trying to preserve you in this world I'm not sure preserve you in this world I'm not sure preserve you in this world I'm not sure exactly what that is exactly what that is exactly what that is somehow you keep surviving what do you somehow you keep surviving what do you somehow you keep surviving what do you think is the meaning of this whole thing think is the meaning of this whole thing think is the meaning of this whole thing why are we here why are we here why are we here like if you ever ask yourself for that like if you ever ask yourself for that like if you ever ask yourself for that question I feel like that's every day I question I feel like that's every day I question I feel like that's every day I feel like I'm someone that lives with feel like I'm someone that lives with feel like I'm someone that lives with that a lot that a lot that a lot and I think that I think that it and I think that I think that it and I think that I think that it actually takes me away from the human actually takes me away from the human actually takes me away from the human world a little bit I feel like I've world a little bit I feel like I've world a little bit I feel like I've always been a little bit apart always been a little bit apart always been a little bit apart because because because I think that other people do I think that other people do I think that other people do you know you know you know mushrooms and they go wow that really mushrooms and they go wow that really mushrooms and they go wow that really made me think about how amazing it is made me think about how amazing it is made me think about how amazing it is here here here and I feel like on a daily basis and I feel like on a daily basis and I feel like on a daily basis I find myself where I'm like I can't I find myself where I'm like I can't I find myself where I'm like I can't believe that any of this is possible you believe that any of this is possible you believe that any of this is possible you know I I and that and that goes that know I I and that and that goes that know I I and that and that goes that goes from how delicious something tastes goes from how delicious something tastes goes from how delicious something tastes to being able to talk to to to to to being able to talk to to to to to being able to talk to to to to someone in your family or or have a someone in your family or or have a someone in your family or or have a phone it's times where I'm in the Amazon phone it's times where I'm in the Amazon phone it's times where I'm in the Amazon and I I miss home and I even just face and I I miss home and I even just face and I I miss home and I even just face timing with someone I go this is timing with someone I go this is timing with someone I go this is possible yeah like people are rubbing possible yeah like people are rubbing possible yeah like people are rubbing sticks together to try and survive sticks together to try and survive sticks together to try and survive saber-toothed tigers not that long ago saber-toothed tigers not that long ago saber-toothed tigers not that long ago and I'm over there like yo mom look at and I'm over there like yo mom look at and I'm over there like yo mom look at this this this it's wild like I'm in a constant state it's wild like I'm in a constant state it's wild like I'm in a constant state of awe and so of awe and so of awe and so um um um I actually hope I actually hope I actually hope that this is that this is that this is that this is a testing ground

that this is a testing ground that this is a testing ground and whether it's aliens or God or and whether it's aliens or God or and whether it's aliens or God or whatever it is that this is all that whatever it is that this is all that whatever it is that this is all that this is that this is that this is this is that this is that this is this is that this is that this is something crucially important that would something crucially important that would something crucially important that would be nice be nice be nice because it feels like it is because it feels like it is because it feels like it is yeah I hope that too that the Universe yeah I hope that too that the Universe yeah I hope that too that the Universe almost created us to see almost created us to see almost created us to see what's possible what's possible what's possible and that I'd like to believe that beauty and that I'd like to believe that beauty and that I'd like to believe that beauty and good is possible and good is possible and good is possible and and those are the things that make and and those are the things that make and and those are the things that make me say that it's not it's impossible for me say that it's not it's impossible for me say that it's not it's impossible for it to just mean nothing it to just mean nothing it to just mean nothing and I'm very and just like you said and I'm very and just like you said and I'm very and just like you said there could be life forms that that we there could be life forms that that we there could be life forms that that we can't even understand that could there can't even understand that could there can't even understand that could there there are there are I'm very open to the there are there are I'm very open to the there are there are I'm very open to the idea that there's meanings that we have idea that there's meanings that we have idea that there's meanings that we have no idea about no idea about no idea about the few things I know are the things the few things I know are the things the few things I know are the things that I love and some of the things that that I love and some of the things that that I love and some of the things that I love I love I love you know are being pushed to Extinction you know are being pushed to Extinction you know are being pushed to Extinction so I try to protect them but that's so I try to protect them but that's so I try to protect them but that's that's that's that's that's that's that's my mission but I'm that's that's that's my mission but I'm that's that's that's my mission but I'm saying like in terms of what are we saying like in terms of what are we saying like in terms of what are we doing here I'm doing here I'm doing here I'm I'm just I'm just I'm just um um um always always amazed at the at the always always amazed at the at the always always amazed at the at the simplest things I mean the you know that simplest things I mean the you know that simplest things I mean the you know that we can sit here doing this it's changing we can sit here doing this it's changing we can sit here doing this it's changing yeah yeah yeah using our imagination to fill in the using our imagination to fill in the using our imagination to fill in the gaps exchanging feelings experiences gaps exchanging feelings experiences gaps exchanging feelings experiences images images images yeah it fills you with all and every yeah it fills you with all and every yeah it fills you with all and every once in a while you get a little glimpse once in a while you get a little glimpse once in a while you get a little glimpse of something like a deeper meaning that of something like a deeper meaning that of something like a deeper meaning that might be there you know you don't you might be there you know you don't you might be there you know you don't you don't really know what it is but you get don't really know what it is but you get don't really know what it is but you get a glimpse every now and then you keep a glimpse every now and then you keep a glimpse every now and then you keep searching searching searching and then it's over before you know it

and then it's over before you know it and then it's over before you know it Paul uh hopefully for you you got many Paul uh hopefully for you you got many Paul uh hopefully for you you got many more years it was dark man you're an more years it was dark man you're an more years it was dark man you're an important important and a beautiful man important important and a beautiful man important important and a beautiful man Paul thank you so much for talking today Paul thank you so much for talking today Paul thank you so much for talking today thank you for being who you are for thank you for being who you are for thank you for being who you are for everything you're doing everything you're doing everything you're doing um I hope to see you again soon many um I hope to see you again soon many um I hope to see you again soon many times and maybe one day soon in the times and maybe one day soon in the times and maybe one day soon in the jungle I hope that happens thank you Lex jungle I hope that happens thank you Lex jungle I hope that happens thank you Lex thanks for listening to this thanks for listening to this thanks for listening to this conversation with Paul rosly to support conversation with Paul rosly to support conversation with Paul rosly to support this podcast please check out our this podcast please check out our this podcast please check out our sponsors in the description and now let sponsors in the description and now let sponsors in the description and now let me leave you with some words from Jane me leave you with some words from Jane me leave you with some words from Jane Goodall Goodall Goodall if we kill off the wild if we kill off the wild if we kill off the wild then we're killing off a part of our then we're killing off a part of our then we're killing off a part of our souls souls souls thank you for listening and hope to see thank you for listening and hope to see thank you for listening and hope to see you next time