Omar Suleiman: Palestine, Gaza, Oct 7, Israel, Resistance, Faith & Islam | Lex Fridman Podcast #411

you always know when you live in Gaza you always know when you live in Gaza that it's only a matter of time before that it's only a matter of time before that it's only a matter of time before the next bombs drop you know if you're the next bombs drop you know if you're the next bombs drop you know if you're in in in Gazza Gazza Gazza that you are waiting for your that you are waiting for your that you are waiting for your death people dream about going out in death people dream about going out in death people dream about going out in the world and pursuing education people the world and pursuing education people the world and pursuing education people dream about going out in the world and dream about going out in the world and dream about going out in the world and pursuing Economic Opportunity in pursuing Economic Opportunity in pursuing Economic Opportunity in Gazza your idea of opportunity is an Gazza your idea of opportunity is an Gazza your idea of opportunity is an opportunity to see the next year that opportunity to see the next year that opportunity to see the next year that has been the case and so when we talk has been the case and so when we talk has been the case and so when we talk about you know this not existing in a about you know this not existing in a about you know this not existing in a vacuum if people only hear about vacuum if people only hear about vacuum if people only hear about Gazza on October 7th that is that is a Gazza on October 7th that is that is a Gazza on October 7th that is that is a major part of the problem and that is major part of the problem and that is major part of the problem and that is Again part of the problem of our Again part of the problem of our Again part of the problem of our ignorance and our apathy right why is it ignorance and our apathy right why is it ignorance and our apathy right why is it that the plight of the people of Gaza is that the plight of the people of Gaza is that the plight of the people of Gaza is not brought not brought not brought up until an attack happens on up until an attack happens on up until an attack happens on Israel the following is a conversation Israel the following is a conversation Israel the following is a conversation with Imam Dr Omar suan his second time with Imam Dr Omar suan his second time with Imam Dr Omar suan his second time on the podcast he is a Palestinian on the podcast he is a Palestinian on the podcast he is a Palestinian American a Muslim scholar a civil rights American a Muslim scholar a civil rights American a Muslim scholar a civil rights leader president of the yakin institute leader president of the yakin institute leader president of the yakin institute for Islamic Research and is one of the for Islamic Research and is one of the for Islamic Research and is one of the most influential Muslims in the world most influential Muslims in the world most influential Muslims in the world our previous conversation was focused on our previous conversation was focused on our previous conversation was focused on Islam this time the focus was on Gaza Islam this time the focus was on Gaza Islam this time the focus was on Gaza and and and Palestine this is Alex Freedman podcast Palestine this is Alex Freedman podcast Palestine this is Alex Freedman podcast to support it please check out our to support it please check out our to support it please check out our sponsors in the description and now dear

sponsors in the description and now dear sponsors in the description and now dear friends here's Omar friends here's Omar friends here's Omar suan what did you think feel and pray suan what did you think feel and pray suan what did you think feel and pray for in the days that followed October for in the days that followed October for in the days that followed October 7th I think the 7th I think the 7th I think the first feeling was first feeling was first feeling was that uh there's going to be a lot of that uh there's going to be a lot of that uh there's going to be a lot of death and destruction in Gaza as a death and destruction in Gaza as a death and destruction in Gaza as a result right we always kind of see this result right we always kind of see this result right we always kind of see this where one Israeli casualty leads to where one Israeli casualty leads to where one Israeli casualty leads to hundreds of pales Ian casualties right hundreds of pales Ian casualties right hundreds of pales Ian casualties right so it's a pretty familiar cycle in some so it's a pretty familiar cycle in some so it's a pretty familiar cycle in some ways where there are daily ways where there are daily ways where there are daily transgressions against Palestinians in transgressions against Palestinians in transgressions against Palestinians in the West Bank and in Gaza the the West Bank and in Gaza the the West Bank and in Gaza the checkpoints the aggression on MJ checkpoints the aggression on MJ checkpoints the aggression on MJ AA the settlements AA the settlements AA the settlements expanding the stories of Palestinian expanding the stories of Palestinian expanding the stories of Palestinian death and then you have Rockets fired death and then you have Rockets fired death and then you have Rockets fired from Gaza and that's when the Western from Gaza and that's when the Western from Gaza and that's when the Western press catches up and starts to cover press catches up and starts to cover press catches up and starts to cover Israel responds with Hellfire missiles Israel responds with Hellfire missiles Israel responds with Hellfire missiles white phosphorus bombs and the white phosphorus bombs and the white phosphorus bombs and the casualties are wildly casualties are wildly casualties are wildly disproportionate and so I think that you disproportionate and so I think that you disproportionate and so I think that you know I wasn't surprised I prayed for the know I wasn't surprised I prayed for the know I wasn't surprised I prayed for the people that I knew were going to Bear people that I knew were going to Bear people that I knew were going to Bear the the the brunt of this outbreak but the outbreak brunt of this outbreak but the outbreak brunt of this outbreak but the outbreak was was was predictable you wrote a statement on predictable you wrote a statement on predictable you wrote a statement on October 9th I was hoping uh to read it October 9th I was hoping uh to read it October 9th I was hoping uh to read it if it's okay yeah go ahead our

if it's okay yeah go ahead our if it's okay yeah go ahead our Palestinian casualties are always your Palestinian casualties are always your Palestinian casualties are always your footnotes the daily humiliation of footnotes the daily humiliation of footnotes the daily humiliation of occupation ignored the aggression by occupation ignored the aggression by occupation ignored the aggression by settlers and soldiers alike on holy settlers and soldiers alike on holy settlers and soldiers alike on holy sights and sights and sights and souls the annihilation of entire souls the annihilation of entire souls the annihilation of entire families that follows the devastation of families that follows the devastation of families that follows the devastation of whatever scraps remain in the open air whatever scraps remain in the open air whatever scraps remain in the open air prison of Gaza unsustainable and prison of Gaza unsustainable and prison of Gaza unsustainable and inhumane so if you're waking up to a inhumane so if you're waking up to a inhumane so if you're waking up to a sudden interest in the region and want sudden interest in the region and want sudden interest in the region and want to know what's been happening dig a bit to know what's been happening dig a bit to know what's been happening dig a bit deeper than two weeks and try to read deeper than two weeks and try to read deeper than two weeks and try to read beyond the headlines of a media that has beyond the headlines of a media that has beyond the headlines of a media that has been dehumanizing us for been dehumanizing us for been dehumanizing us for decades again this was not surprising decades again this was not surprising decades again this was not surprising this was very predictable if you've been this was very predictable if you've been this was very predictable if you've been watching what's been unfolding before watching what's been unfolding before watching what's been unfolding before October 7th October 7th October 7th 2021 Human Rights Watch puts out the 2021 Human Rights Watch puts out the 2021 Human Rights Watch puts out the report threshold reached Israel is an report threshold reached Israel is an report threshold reached Israel is an apartheid state Amnesty International 20 apartheid state Amnesty International 20 apartheid state Amnesty International 20 22 the crime of 22 the crime of 22 the crime of apartheid uh showing how all of the apartheid uh showing how all of the apartheid uh showing how all of the legal determinations of apartheid have legal determinations of apartheid have legal determinations of apartheid have been reached the occupation is only been reached the occupation is only been reached the occupation is only getting more aggressive sharen abaka a getting more aggressive sharen abaka a getting more aggressive sharen abaka a palestinian-american journalist is shot palestinian-american journalist is shot palestinian-american journalist is shot dead in dead in dead in 2022 in front of the world the United 2022 in front of the world the United 2022 in front of the world the United States says initially that if it is States says initially that if it is States says initially that if it is shown that Israel was complicit or that shown that Israel was complicit or that shown that Israel was complicit or that Israel carried out the execution then Israel carried out the execution then Israel carried out the execution then there will be there will be there will be consequences of course once it was shown consequences of course once it was shown consequences of course once it was shown that Israel was indeed responsible for

that Israel was indeed responsible for that Israel was indeed responsible for the bullet that killed Sharin abaka the the bullet that killed Sharin abaka the the bullet that killed Sharin abaka the United States did absolutely nothing United States did absolutely nothing United States did absolutely nothing shireen's funeral was attacked the shireen's funeral was attacked the shireen's funeral was attacked the powars were beaten her casket almost powars were beaten her casket almost powars were beaten her casket almost fell and again the world is watching the fell and again the world is watching the fell and again the world is watching the aggression aggression aggression against worshippers in Al AKA is getting against worshippers in Al AKA is getting against worshippers in Al AKA is getting worse you have the flag March the worse you have the flag March the worse you have the flag March the Jerusalem flag March where extremist Jerusalem flag March where extremist Jerusalem flag March where extremist settlers are let loose and Wild on settlers are let loose and Wild on settlers are let loose and Wild on Palestinians by the thousands chanting Palestinians by the thousands chanting Palestinians by the thousands chanting things like Muhammad is dead we're going things like Muhammad is dead we're going things like Muhammad is dead we're going to murder you Arabs all with the to murder you Arabs all with the to murder you Arabs all with the protection of the state with Israeli protection of the state with Israeli protection of the state with Israeli soldiers and throughout this time it's soldiers and throughout this time it's soldiers and throughout this time it's like something bad is going to happen like something bad is going to happen like something bad is going to happen and then 2023 comes and then 2023 comes and then 2023 comes along you had 13,000 settler along you had 13,000 settler along you had 13,000 settler units in units in units in 2023 a plan of 13,000 settler units the 2023 a plan of 13,000 settler units the 2023 a plan of 13,000 settler units the most in the hisory of the occupation the most in the hisory of the occupation the most in the hisory of the occupation the most racist and extremist government most racist and extremist government most racist and extremist government Israeli government that you have ever Israeli government that you have ever Israeli government that you have ever had and people don't realize that in had and people don't realize that in had and people don't realize that in 2023 alone over 600 Palestinians had 2023 alone over 600 Palestinians had 2023 alone over 600 Palestinians had already been killed it just doesn't make already been killed it just doesn't make already been killed it just doesn't make western headlines and so if you wonder western headlines and so if you wonder western headlines and so if you wonder why the American public sees this so why the American public sees this so why the American public sees this so much differently than the rest of the much differently than the rest of the much differently than the rest of the world it's because American media shows world it's because American media shows world it's because American media shows the American public something so much the American public something so much the American public something so much different than what the rest of the different than what the rest of the different than what the rest of the world the shown and so this was a world the shown and so this was a world the shown and so this was a pressure cooker this was going to

pressure cooker this was going to pressure cooker this was going to explode it is extremely predictable explode it is extremely predictable explode it is extremely predictable you've given people absolutely no hope you've given people absolutely no hope you've given people absolutely no hope and so I I think that as we're watching and so I I think that as we're watching and so I I think that as we're watching that you know it's important for us to that you know it's important for us to that you know it's important for us to actually actually actually interrogate the interrogate the interrogate the ignorance that people have of the ignorance that people have of the ignorance that people have of the Palestinian plight the ignorance of the Palestinian plight the ignorance of the Palestinian plight the ignorance of the root causes of the this violence the root causes of the this violence the root causes of the this violence the ignorance of the ignorance of the ignorance of the occupation and also ask yourselves you occupation and also ask yourselves you occupation and also ask yourselves you know why is it that Israel can violate know why is it that Israel can violate know why is it that Israel can violate every single international law on the every single international law on the every single international law on the books have all these determinations and books have all these determinations and books have all these determinations and the United States keeps on issuing these the United States keeps on issuing these the United States keeps on issuing these inconsequential statements while also at inconsequential statements while also at inconsequential statements while also at the same time funding these aggressions the same time funding these aggressions the same time funding these aggressions so it's like stop the settler violence so it's like stop the settler violence so it's like stop the settler violence the United States will issue statement the United States will issue statement the United States will issue statement after statement stop the settler after statement stop the settler after statement stop the settler violence stop the incursions on Masjid violence stop the incursions on Masjid violence stop the incursions on Masjid AA stop violating the people in AA stop violating the people in AA stop violating the people in Jerusalem stop trying to wipe out the Jerusalem stop trying to wipe out the Jerusalem stop trying to wipe out the Palestinian people stop openly saying Palestinian people stop openly saying Palestinian people stop openly saying you know that there is no two-state you know that there is no two-state you know that there is no two-state solution that we will never allow a solution that we will never allow a solution that we will never allow a Palestinian state to be established but Palestinian state to be established but Palestinian state to be established but at the same time here's your $3 billion at the same time here's your $3 billion at the same time here's your $3 billion check and uh if the United Nations check and uh if the United Nations check and uh if the United Nations issues any sort of resolution against issues any sort of resolution against issues any sort of resolution against Israel or if any International body Israel or if any International body Israel or if any International body tries to hold Israel accountable the tries to hold Israel accountable the tries to hold Israel accountable the United States stands in the way of any United States stands in the way of any United States stands in the way of any accountability it's important for us to

accountability it's important for us to accountability it's important for us to ask why and so I always tell people read ask why and so I always tell people read ask why and so I always tell people read beyond the headlines even now with the beyond the headlines even now with the beyond the headlines even now with the backdrop of a genocide over 30,000 backdrop of a genocide over 30,000 backdrop of a genocide over 30,000 people have been killed if you open the people have been killed if you open the people have been killed if you open the front page of most American mainstream front page of most American mainstream front page of most American mainstream sites you will see stories about the sites you will see stories about the sites you will see stories about the hostages the Israeli hostages you will hostages the Israeli hostages you will hostages the Israeli hostages you will see stories about October 7th but see stories about October 7th but see stories about October 7th but October 8th is missing October 9th is October 8th is missing October 9th is October 8th is missing October 9th is missing October 10th is Miss missing 100 missing October 10th is Miss missing 100 missing October 10th is Miss missing 100 days of genocide are missing and you'll days of genocide are missing and you'll days of genocide are missing and you'll barely have a story that shows up every barely have a story that shows up every barely have a story that shows up every once in a while that you know is still once in a while that you know is still once in a while that you know is still very much so controlled by the Israeli very much so controlled by the Israeli very much so controlled by the Israeli propaganda machine because while Israel propaganda machine because while Israel propaganda machine because while Israel kills Palestinian journalists it also kills Palestinian journalists it also kills Palestinian journalists it also makes sure that American journalists are makes sure that American journalists are makes sure that American journalists are only able to tell a certain story only able to tell a certain story only able to tell a certain story they're only able to see Gaza from a they're only able to see Gaza from a they're only able to see Gaza from a certain perspective they're only able to certain perspective they're only able to certain perspective they're only able to speak about Gaza from a certain speak about Gaza from a certain speak about Gaza from a certain perspective and this is well documented perspective and this is well documented perspective and this is well documented that they have to review their media that they have to review their media that they have to review their media tapes with Israel before they can tapes with Israel before they can tapes with Israel before they can publicize them and so this is State publicize them and so this is State publicize them and so this is State propaganda at this point the mainstream propaganda at this point the mainstream propaganda at this point the mainstream media and the United States government media and the United States government media and the United States government are in lock up telling a very skewed are in lock up telling a very skewed are in lock up telling a very skewed story and that is leading to a greater story and that is leading to a greater story and that is leading to a greater sense of frustration and I think the sense of frustration and I think the sense of frustration and I think the American public has been wronged as well American public has been wronged as well American public has been wronged as well by not knowing what's happening so you by not knowing what's happening so you by not knowing what's happening so you mentioned settlements so to you this is mentioned settlements so to you this is mentioned settlements so to you this is bigger than Gaza it is the West Bank it bigger than Gaza it is the West Bank it bigger than Gaza it is the West Bank it is the the Palestinian people broadly is the the Palestinian people broadly is the the Palestinian people broadly absolutely you can't disconnect Gaza

absolutely you can't disconnect Gaza absolutely you can't disconnect Gaza from Palestine you can't disconnect the from Palestine you can't disconnect the from Palestine you can't disconnect the West Bank from Palestine you can't West Bank from Palestine you can't West Bank from Palestine you can't disconnect Jerusalem from Palestine and disconnect Jerusalem from Palestine and disconnect Jerusalem from Palestine and you can't disconnect a very human story you can't disconnect a very human story you can't disconnect a very human story from the political plight you from the political plight you from the political plight you interviewed Muhammad Kur you met him interviewed Muhammad Kur you met him interviewed Muhammad Kur you met him what did the world do when it saw the what did the world do when it saw the what did the world do when it saw the images of the CED household being taken images of the CED household being taken images of the CED household being taken over by a guy from Brooklyn or Long over by a guy from Brooklyn or Long over by a guy from Brooklyn or Long Island who just shows up and lays claim Island who just shows up and lays claim Island who just shows up and lays claim to their home what did the world do when to their home what did the world do when to their home what did the world do when American American American settlers suddenly decided they could settlers suddenly decided they could settlers suddenly decided they could walk into historic Palestinian homes and walk into historic Palestinian homes and walk into historic Palestinian homes and throw people out of their homes what did throw people out of their homes what did throw people out of their homes what did the world do and so yes this is very the world do and so yes this is very the world do and so yes this is very much so connected to the broader issue much so connected to the broader issue much so connected to the broader issue of Palestinian existence if you realize of Palestinian existence if you realize of Palestinian existence if you realize here we are erased in peace and we are here we are erased in peace and we are here we are erased in peace and we are erased in war erased in war erased in war in peace it's the Abraham in peace it's the Abraham in peace it's the Abraham Accords agreements between Israel and Accords agreements between Israel and Accords agreements between Israel and its Arab Neighbors which is supposedly its Arab Neighbors which is supposedly its Arab Neighbors which is supposedly to solve the Palestinian problem but to solve the Palestinian problem but to solve the Palestinian problem but Palestinians are absent from their own Palestinians are absent from their own Palestinians are absent from their own fate from discussions about their own fate from discussions about their own fate from discussions about their own fate in war it's the Israel Hamas War fate in war it's the Israel Hamas War fate in war it's the Israel Hamas War it's Israel and Gaza where are the it's Israel and Gaza where are the it's Israel and Gaza where are the Palestinian people the millions of Palestinian people the millions of Palestinian people the millions of Palestinian people that have either been Palestinian people that have either been Palestinian people that have either been removed from their land or are being removed from their land or are being removed from their land or are being tormented on their land where are they tormented on their land where are they tormented on their land where are they in this discussion what are the in this discussion what are the in this discussion what are the Palestinians in the diaspora Palestinians in the diaspora Palestinians in the diaspora feeling I think deeply

feeling I think deeply feeling I think deeply frustrated a great sense of anger frustrated a great sense of anger frustrated a great sense of anger sadness every single Palestinian right sadness every single Palestinian right sadness every single Palestinian right now knows someone that's been killed now knows someone that's been killed now knows someone that's been killed every single Palestinian is a part of a every single Palestinian is a part of a every single Palestinian is a part of a story of displacement or destruction story of displacement or destruction story of displacement or destruction every single Palestinian has a relative every single Palestinian has a relative every single Palestinian has a relative that's either e missing a limb or a that's either e missing a limb or a that's either e missing a limb or a loved one every single Palestinian in loved one every single Palestinian in loved one every single Palestinian in the world is traumatized by the world is traumatized by the world is traumatized by this and in some ways being this and in some ways being this and in some ways being outside of Palestine being away from it outside of Palestine being away from it outside of Palestine being away from it all hurts even more because you see your all hurts even more because you see your all hurts even more because you see your people being people being people being killed and starved and brutalized and killed and starved and brutalized and killed and starved and brutalized and slaughtered and you can't do anything slaughtered and you can't do anything slaughtered and you can't do anything about it and the people around you are about it and the people around you are about it and the people around you are justifying that Slaughter if you turn on justifying that Slaughter if you turn on justifying that Slaughter if you turn on a TV or if you open a mainstream news a TV or if you open a mainstream news a TV or if you open a mainstream news site these sites are justifying your site these sites are justifying your site these sites are justifying your Slaughter and people are being killed Slaughter and people are being killed Slaughter and people are being killed over there because they look like me over there because they look like me over there because they look like me because they're Palestinian like I'm because they're Palestinian like I'm because they're Palestinian like I'm Palestinian and so we're watching this Palestinian and so we're watching this Palestinian and so we're watching this in diaspora uh with Agony we can't go we in diaspora uh with Agony we can't go we in diaspora uh with Agony we can't go we can't we can't heal our loved ones we can't we can't heal our loved ones we can't we can't heal our loved ones we can't Comfort the people that are there can't Comfort the people that are there can't Comfort the people that are there I recently spoke to a doctor who's lost I recently spoke to a doctor who's lost I recently spoke to a doctor who's lost 75 relatives 75 relatives and Gaza and 75 relatives 75 relatives and Gaza and 75 relatives 75 relatives and Gaza and he's a medical doctor and all he wants he's a medical doctor and all he wants he's a medical doctor and all he wants to do is get in there and just use his to do is get in there and just use his to do is get in there and just use his medical expertise to help his people and medical expertise to help his people and medical expertise to help his people and he he he can't and so we're watching it from afar

can't and so we're watching it from afar can't and so we're watching it from afar but our hearts are there they are in the but our hearts are there they are in the but our hearts are there they are in the buildings that are being destroyed buildings that are being destroyed buildings that are being destroyed they're in the hospitals that are being they're in the hospitals that are being they're in the hospitals that are being bombed they are there and they are with bombed they are there and they are with bombed they are there and they are with the the the people you're somebody who's always people you're somebody who's always people you're somebody who's always rushed into the midst of a crisis so rushed into the midst of a crisis so rushed into the midst of a crisis so what does it feel like on a personal what does it feel like on a personal what does it feel like on a personal level to not be able to do that here to level to not be able to do that here to level to not be able to do that here to go to Gaza to go to Gaza to go to Gaza to help yeah help yeah help yeah it's it's really hard I mean when any it's it's really hard I mean when any it's it's really hard I mean when any group of people are group of people are group of people are killed killed killed uh my instinct and I think a lot of uh my instinct and I think a lot of uh my instinct and I think a lot of people is to go there to help whether people is to go there to help whether people is to go there to help whether it's a natural disaster or especially it's a natural disaster or especially it's a natural disaster or especially after an incident of Terror um wherever after an incident of Terror um wherever after an incident of Terror um wherever it is right it's it is right it's it is right it's Rush there and do the best that you can Rush there and do the best that you can Rush there and do the best that you can to help people get through it um so it's to help people get through it um so it's to help people get through it um so it's been extremely hard uh to watch this been extremely hard uh to watch this been extremely hard uh to watch this from afar and feel like I can't do from afar and feel like I can't do from afar and feel like I can't do anything about it and so that's why anything about it and so that's why anything about it and so that's why instead I think that uh most of us are instead I think that uh most of us are instead I think that uh most of us are driven to continue to be the voice of driven to continue to be the voice of driven to continue to be the voice of the voiceless you know I always say that the voiceless you know I always say that the voiceless you know I always say that if they've made them faceless they can't if they've made them faceless they can't if they've made them faceless they can't make us make us make us voiceless they have reduced our voiceless they have reduced our voiceless they have reduced our casualties in pal casualties in pal casualties in pal to a number the number is to a number the number is to a number the number is hundreds a day over 30,000 people we're hundreds a day over 30,000 people we're hundreds a day over 30,000 people we're averaging 10,000 people a month the fact averaging 10,000 people a month the fact averaging 10,000 people a month the fact that they've been turned into faceless

that they've been turned into faceless that they've been turned into faceless numbers with no stories with no Humanity numbers with no stories with no Humanity numbers with no stories with no Humanity makes it that much more important for us makes it that much more important for us makes it that much more important for us to tell their stories here and to remind to tell their stories here and to remind to tell their stories here and to remind the world that you've lost your Humanity the world that you've lost your Humanity the world that you've lost your Humanity if you can watch this unfold and not if you can watch this unfold and not if you can watch this unfold and not even have the decency to call for a even have the decency to call for a even have the decency to call for a ceasefire ceasefire ceasefire I mean that's the that's where we've I mean that's the that's where we've I mean that's the that's where we've reached that's how low it is right now reached that's how low it is right now reached that's how low it is right now calling for a calling for a calling for a ceasefire has now become radical uh so ceasefire has now become radical uh so ceasefire has now become radical uh so we have to remind the world that if we have to remind the world that if we have to remind the world that if you're okay with the Demolition of an you're okay with the Demolition of an you're okay with the Demolition of an entire town or a city or whatever it is entire town or a city or whatever it is entire town or a city or whatever it is that you want to call Gaza because it that you want to call Gaza because it that you want to call Gaza because it wasn't always the Gaza Strip but if wasn't always the Gaza Strip but if wasn't always the Gaza Strip but if you're okay with this and you're okay you're okay with this and you're okay you're okay with this and you're okay with this casualty count every single with this casualty count every single with this casualty count every single day it's not just them who are being day it's not just them who are being day it's not just them who are being killed it's your hearts that are dying killed it's your hearts that are dying killed it's your hearts that are dying and I think that when I look back to Dr and I think that when I look back to Dr and I think that when I look back to Dr Martin Luther King Jr and I I mentioned Martin Luther King Jr and I I mentioned Martin Luther King Jr and I I mentioned this he wrote about Vietnam he said that this he wrote about Vietnam he said that this he wrote about Vietnam he said that if America was to succumb to uh its if America was to succumb to uh its if America was to succumb to uh its spiritual death the autopsy would read spiritual death the autopsy would read spiritual death the autopsy would read Vietnam I would say that it would read Vietnam I would say that it would read Vietnam I would say that it would read Gaza now speaking of the people the faces the now speaking of the people the faces the voices one of the people you've talked voices one of the people you've talked voices one of the people you've talked about you've posted about you've written about you've posted about you've written about you've posted about you've written about is while him being about is while him being about is while him being hospitalized he's a Palestinian hospitalized he's a Palestinian hospitalized he's a Palestinian journalist and the bureau chief of Al journalist and the bureau chief of Al journalist and the bureau chief of Al jazer and Gaza City what can you tell me jazer and Gaza City what can you tell me jazer and Gaza City what can you tell me about this man if W wasn't Palestinian about this man if W wasn't Palestinian about this man if W wasn't Palestinian he'd be on the cover of Time Magazine he'd be on the cover of Time Magazine he'd be on the cover of Time Magazine right now he would be the most right now he would be the most right now he would be the most celebrated journalist in the

celebrated journalist in the celebrated journalist in the [Music] [Music] [Music] world is from Gaza he has been in world is from Gaza he has been in world is from Gaza he has been in Israeli prisons he has been under Israeli prisons he has been under Israeli prisons he has been under Israeli air strikes he has seen the Israeli air strikes he has seen the Israeli air strikes he has seen the worst of the occupation before he seen worst of the occupation before he seen worst of the occupation before he seen the worst of the genocide the worst of the genocide the worst of the genocide while on TV I mean and this is this is while on TV I mean and this is this is while on TV I mean and this is this is insane when you think about it we have insane when you think about it we have insane when you think about it we have over a hundred journalists now right over a hundred journalists now right over a hundred journalists now right that's more than any conflict in history that's more than any conflict in history that's more than any conflict in history that have been killed and there is that have been killed and there is that have been killed and there is sufficient evidence by International uh sufficient evidence by International uh sufficient evidence by International uh Watchdogs that this is intentional that Watchdogs that this is intentional that Watchdogs that this is intentional that journalists have been killed journalists have been killed journalists have been killed intentionally but then their families intentionally but then their families intentionally but then their families while it was reporting on TV when an air while it was reporting on TV when an air while it was reporting on TV when an air strike hits his strike hits his strike hits his wife two kids and a wife two kids and a wife two kids and a grandchild grandchild grandchild he goes to the scene and he said this he goes to the scene and he said this he goes to the scene and he said this you know you never expect as a you know you never expect as a you know you never expect as a journalist to be the subject of the journalist to be the subject of the journalist to be the subject of the story suddenly the camera is on him story suddenly the camera is on him story suddenly the camera is on him mourning over his dead wife and kids and mourning over his dead wife and kids and mourning over his dead wife and kids and grandkid and he's saying he even says it grandkid and he's saying he even says it grandkid and he's saying he even says it in Arabic he says they're taking it out in Arabic he says they're taking it out in Arabic he says they're taking it out on our children they're taking it out on on our children they're taking it out on on our children they're taking it out on our our our children uh you know I've heard this children uh you know I've heard this children uh you know I've heard this from multiple people that have had from multiple people that have had from multiple people that have had relatives targeted that I wish it was me relatives targeted that I wish it was me relatives targeted that I wish it was me instead he gets back on camera the same day he gets back on camera the same day because he feels a responsibility to because he feels a responsibility to because he feels a responsibility to continue to cover the lives of the continue to cover the lives of the continue to cover the lives of the people of Gaza he understands that his people of Gaza he understands that his people of Gaza he understands that his story as devastating as it is is not story as devastating as it is is not story as devastating as it is is not unique in regards to the people of Gazza

unique in regards to the people of Gazza unique in regards to the people of Gazza that there are many people whose that there are many people whose that there are many people whose families have been killed in air strikes families have been killed in air strikes families have been killed in air strikes all two million people have been all two million people have been all two million people have been traumatized in some way and so he gets traumatized in some way and so he gets traumatized in some way and so he gets back on camera tells the story again and back on camera tells the story again and back on camera tells the story again and and then he is targeted and then he is targeted and then he is targeted himself uh his arm struck his cameraman himself uh his arm struck his cameraman himself uh his arm struck his cameraman Sam dies in front of him he bleeds out D Sam dies in front of him he bleeds out D Sam dies in front of him he bleeds out D watches him bleed out for hours and watches him bleed out for hours and watches him bleed out for hours and while any Aid workers try to reach them while any Aid workers try to reach them while any Aid workers try to reach them in the building that they were in uh in the building that they were in uh in the building that they were in uh snipers would shoot all of those that snipers would shoot all of those that snipers would shoot all of those that were rushing to Sam so he watches his were rushing to Sam so he watches his were rushing to Sam so he watches his cameraman one of his best friends bleed cameraman one of his best friends bleed cameraman one of his best friends bleed out to death while goes to the hospital out to death while goes to the hospital out to death while goes to the hospital hospital his arm is wrapped up gets hospital his arm is wrapped up gets hospital his arm is wrapped up gets treatment he's back on camera the next treatment he's back on camera the next treatment he's back on camera the next day a few weeks later uh another child day a few weeks later uh another child day a few weeks later uh another child is killed again with his is killed again with his is killed again with his friend uh in a car so this was a friend uh in a car so this was a friend uh in a car so this was a targeted air strike his son is targeted air strike his son is targeted air strike his son is driving and his son and his best friend driving and his son and his best friend driving and his son and his best friend are hitting an air strike while it leads are hitting an air strike while it leads are hitting an air strike while it leads the funeral prayer is back on camera the funeral prayer is back on camera the funeral prayer is back on camera again and speaks with such dignity with again and speaks with such dignity with again and speaks with such dignity with such compassion you know one of the such compassion you know one of the such compassion you know one of the things things things that always gets to me as as a that always gets to me as as a that always gets to me as as a Palestinian right and as a Muslim Palestinian right and as a Muslim Palestinian right and as a Muslim too is that we are portrayed to be these too is that we are portrayed to be these too is that we are portrayed to be these beasts and Savages tell me a man that beasts and Savages tell me a man that beasts and Savages tell me a man that would be put through what wild was put would be put through what wild was put would be put through what wild was put through and still stand on that on that

through and still stand on that on that through and still stand on that on that pulpit and in front of the world with pulpit and in front of the world with pulpit and in front of the world with such dignity with such Grace continues such dignity with such Grace continues such dignity with such Grace continues to tell the story W has become a hero to to tell the story W has become a hero to to tell the story W has become a hero to many of us many of us many of us and he would be a hero in a and he would be a hero in a and he would be a hero in a world that wasn't anti- world that wasn't anti- world that wasn't anti- Palestinian and unfortunately has not only lost his unfortunately has not only lost his family he's not only lost much of his family he's not only lost much of his family he's not only lost much of his own existence but well is part of the own existence but well is part of the own existence but well is part of the greater story of eraser so even though greater story of eraser so even though greater story of eraser so even though he's telling the story of the people of he's telling the story of the people of he's telling the story of the people of Gaza and he is the story of the people Gaza and he is the story of the people Gaza and he is the story of the people of of of Gaza most people will never learn about Gaza most people will never learn about Gaza most people will never learn about w you have posted videos and written about you have posted videos and written about what is happening in Gaza since October what is happening in Gaza since October what is happening in Gaza since October 7th what has been happening there the 7th what has been happening there the 7th what has been happening there the individual stories and the broader individual stories and the broader individual stories and the broader impact on the 2 million people there impact on the 2 million people there impact on the 2 million people there Gaza has been described as the world's Gaza has been described as the world's Gaza has been described as the world's largest open air prison unemployment largest open air prison unemployment largest open air prison unemployment blockaded from all directions no blockaded from all directions no blockaded from all directions no airport um Regular added restrictions airport um Regular added restrictions airport um Regular added restrictions placed even on their ability to fish so every aspect ofin life has been under so every aspect ofin life has been under occupation I would argue that it's an occupation I would argue that it's an occupation I would argue that it's an injustice to even call it an open air injustice to even call it an open air injustice to even call it an open air prison prison prison because inmates are not bombed in prison because inmates are not bombed in prison because inmates are not bombed in prison routinely by the most sophisticated routinely by the most sophisticated routinely by the most sophisticated weapons in the world regular bombardment

weapons in the world regular bombardment weapons in the world regular bombardment of Gazza every single person in razza of Gazza every single person in razza of Gazza every single person in razza has lived through multiple rounds of has lived through multiple rounds of has lived through multiple rounds of bombardment it is deeply uh bombardment it is deeply uh bombardment it is deeply uh distressing you know I I remember in uh distressing you know I I remember in uh distressing you know I I remember in uh 2021 there was an 2021 there was an 2021 there was an image that I will never forget of image that I will never forget of image that I will never forget of children having to go back to school children having to go back to school children having to go back to school after the bombardment of after the bombardment of after the bombardment of 2021 2021 2021 and next to them they would have the and next to them they would have the and next to them they would have the empty chairs and the posters of the empty chairs and the posters of the empty chairs and the posters of the child that used to sit in that child that used to sit in that child that used to sit in that chair I think what encapsulates it most chair I think what encapsulates it most chair I think what encapsulates it most for for for me and image that I grew up with was the me and image that I grew up with was the me and image that I grew up with was the image of Muhammad dur who was in his image of Muhammad dur who was in his image of Muhammad dur who was in his father's lap over 20 years ago and his father's lap over 20 years ago and his father's lap over 20 years ago and his father was begging for Israel to spare father was begging for Israel to spare father was begging for Israel to spare his child and Muhammad was murdered in his child and Muhammad was murdered in his child and Muhammad was murdered in his his his lap and you know what happened this last lap and you know what happened this last lap and you know what happened this last round his other kids were murdered so round his other kids were murdered so round his other kids were murdered so Muhammad's brothers were murdered and Muhammad's brothers were murdered and Muhammad's brothers were murdered and his father's been on the run every his father's been on the run every his father's been on the run every single person in Gaza has witnessed single person in Gaza has witnessed single person in Gaza has witnessed multiple Wars has witnessed the the multiple Wars has witnessed the the multiple Wars has witnessed the the greatest Suffocation of greatest Suffocation of greatest Suffocation of occupation has even had their diets occupation has even had their diets occupation has even had their diets restricted and has suffered under Israel restricted and has suffered under Israel restricted and has suffered under Israel State policy which is called mowing the State policy which is called mowing the State policy which is called mowing the lawn and everyone should look this up lawn and everyone should look this up lawn and everyone should look this up this is what Israeli ministers refer to this is what Israeli ministers refer to this is what Israeli ministers refer to as routine bombardment of Gazza mowing as routine bombardment of Gazza mowing as routine bombardment of Gazza mowing the the the lawn which shows you that before they

lawn which shows you that before they lawn which shows you that before they called us animals they considered us called us animals they considered us called us animals they considered us insects and unfortunately the casualty insects and unfortunately the casualty insects and unfortunately the casualty counts get higher and higher every time counts get higher and higher every time counts get higher and higher every time and people become more and more and people become more and more and people become more and more desperate more and more helpless desperate more and more helpless desperate more and more helpless Gazza has been unfortunately the worst Gazza has been unfortunately the worst Gazza has been unfortunately the worst manifestation of anti- Palestinian manifestation of anti- Palestinian manifestation of anti- Palestinian bigotry it's already I mean 60% of the bigotry it's already I mean 60% of the bigotry it's already I mean 60% of the population is a refugee population what population is a refugee population what population is a refugee population what that means and people do need to that means and people do need to that means and people do need to understand this is that people move to understand this is that people move to understand this is that people move to Gazza from other parts of occupied Gazza from other parts of occupied Gazza from other parts of occupied territory to find territory to find territory to find refuge and we're practically living on refuge and we're practically living on refuge and we're practically living on top of each top of each top of each other there are people that that are in other there are people that that are in other there are people that that are in the gazda strip that know that they had the gazda strip that know that they had the gazda strip that know that they had homes right beyond that apartheid wall homes right beyond that apartheid wall homes right beyond that apartheid wall and those homes were stolen from them and those homes were stolen from them and those homes were stolen from them and they can't even enter that territory and they can't even enter that territory and they can't even enter that territory anymore and they know that on the other anymore and they know that on the other anymore and they know that on the other side of that wall there's life on the side of that wall there's life on the side of that wall there's life on the other side of that wall there's other side of that wall there's other side of that wall there's opportunity on the other side of that opportunity on the other side of that opportunity on the other side of that wall you have a passport you have an wall you have a passport you have an wall you have a passport you have an airport you have the ability to travel airport you have the ability to travel airport you have the ability to travel you have the ability to export and you have the ability to export and you have the ability to export and import you can dream but behind that import you can dream but behind that import you can dream but behind that wall you are are to live until the next wall you are are to live until the next wall you are are to live until the next air strike you are to live until Israel air strike you are to live until Israel air strike you are to live until Israel mows the lawn again and hope that you're mows the lawn again and hope that you're mows the lawn again and hope that you're not part of the grass that's what Gazza not part of the grass that's what Gazza not part of the grass that's what Gazza has been all of these years so has been all of these years so has been all of these years so pragmatically and psychologically it is pragmatically and psychologically it is pragmatically and psychologically it is very difficult to very difficult to very difficult to flourish when you're just waiting for flourish when you're just waiting for flourish when you're just waiting for more bombardment cuz you know that it's more bombardment cuz you know that it's more bombardment cuz you know that it's around the corner you always know when around the corner you always know when around the corner you always know when you live in Gazza that it's only a you live in Gazza that it's only a you live in Gazza that it's only a matter of time before the next bombs

matter of time before the next bombs matter of time before the next bombs drop you know if you're in drop you know if you're in drop you know if you're in Gaza Gaza Gaza that you are waiting for your that you are waiting for your that you are waiting for your death people dream about going out in death people dream about going out in death people dream about going out in the world and pursuing education people the world and pursuing education people the world and pursuing education people dream about going out in the world and dream about going out in the world and dream about going out in the world and pursuing Economic Opportunity in pursuing Economic Opportunity in pursuing Economic Opportunity in Gazza your idea of opportunity is an Gazza your idea of opportunity is an Gazza your idea of opportunity is an opportunity to see the next year that opportunity to see the next year that opportunity to see the next year that has been the case and so when we talk has been the case and so when we talk has been the case and so when we talk about you know this not existing in a about you know this not existing in a about you know this not existing in a vacuum if people only hear about vacuum if people only hear about vacuum if people only hear about Gazza on October 7th that is that is a Gazza on October 7th that is that is a Gazza on October 7th that is that is a major part of the problem and that is major part of the problem and that is major part of the problem and that is Again part of the problem of our Again part of the problem of our Again part of the problem of our ignorance and our apathy right why is it ignorance and our apathy right why is it ignorance and our apathy right why is it that the plight of the people of Gazza that the plight of the people of Gazza that the plight of the people of Gazza is not brought is not brought is not brought up until an attack happens on up until an attack happens on up until an attack happens on Israel I've gotten a chance to witness a Israel I've gotten a chance to witness a Israel I've gotten a chance to witness a destroyed School in destroyed School in destroyed School in Ukraine it's something Ukraine it's something Ukraine it's something that is really difficult to see yeah that is really difficult to see yeah that is really difficult to see yeah have over 100 destroyed have over 100 destroyed have over 100 destroyed mosques every University in Gaza has mosques every University in Gaza has mosques every University in Gaza has been demolished we're seeing Tik Tock been demolished we're seeing Tik Tock been demolished we're seeing Tik Tock videos of Israeli soldiers laughing and videos of Israeli soldiers laughing and videos of Israeli soldiers laughing and singing as they press a button and we singing as they press a button and we singing as they press a button and we see the demolition of every single see the demolition of every single see the demolition of every single University in Gaza schools have been University in Gaza schools have been University in Gaza schools have been reduced to Rubble there's a cultural reduced to Rubble there's a cultural reduced to Rubble there's a cultural genocide as well I want you to think genocide as well I want you to think genocide as well I want you to think about what you saw in Ukraine look

about what you saw in Ukraine look about what you saw in Ukraine look imagine coming back to school in Gaza imagine coming back to school in Gaza imagine coming back to school in Gaza and some destroyed building you're and some destroyed building you're and some destroyed building you're missing legs you're missing arms you missing legs you're missing arms you missing legs you're missing arms you have white phosphorus Burns have you have white phosphorus Burns have you have white phosphorus Burns have you ever seen what white phosphorus does to ever seen what white phosphorus does to ever seen what white phosphorus does to a person there's a reason why it's a war a person there's a reason why it's a war a person there's a reason why it's a war crime you have white phosphorus burns crime you have white phosphorus burns crime you have white phosphorus burns your mom's dead your dad's dead all of your mom's dead your dad's dead all of your mom's dead your dad's dead all of your uncles and aunts are dead all of your uncles and aunts are dead all of your uncles and aunts are dead all of your siblings are dead somehow you got your siblings are dead somehow you got your siblings are dead somehow you got pulled out of the pulled out of the pulled out of the Rebel you know in my own family my Rebel you know in my own family my Rebel you know in my own family my father's in-laws my father remarried father's in-laws my father remarried father's in-laws my father remarried after my mother passed away um and after my mother passed away um and after my mother passed away um and they're in they're in they're in Gaza all all of them were killed in an Gaza all all of them were killed in an Gaza all all of them were killed in an air strike except for an elderly Aunt air strike except for an elderly Aunt air strike except for an elderly Aunt who somehow made it out of the Rebel a who somehow made it out of the Rebel a who somehow made it out of the Rebel a day later if you're a child that's been day later if you're a child that's been day later if you're a child that's been pulled out of the Rebel what are you pulled out of the Rebel what are you pulled out of the Rebel what are you going to grow up with I mean what are going to grow up with I mean what are going to grow up with I mean what are you supposed to feel what are you you supposed to feel what are you you supposed to feel what are you supposed to supposed to supposed to think and then you have you think and then you have you think and then you have you know racist commentators that say they know racist commentators that say they know racist commentators that say they could have turned that into a Singapore could have turned that into a Singapore could have turned that into a Singapore you know the Palestinians are the you know the Palestinians are the you know the Palestinians are the authors of their own destruction authors of their own destruction authors of their own destruction because if they wanted to they could because if they wanted to they could because if they wanted to they could have turned this into a place of have turned this into a place of have turned this into a place of prosperity but they keep on bringing prosperity but they keep on bringing prosperity but they keep on bringing destruction upon themselves so at the destruction upon themselves so at the destruction upon themselves so at the root of this is a bigotry and again this root of this is a bigotry and again this root of this is a bigotry and again this idea that uh Palestinians are savages idea that uh Palestinians are savages idea that uh Palestinians are savages they're animals and the only way to deal they're animals and the only way to deal they're animals and the only way to deal with them is to continuously mow the with them is to continuously mow the with them is to continuously mow the lawn while simultaneously expanding the lawn while simultaneously expanding the lawn while simultaneously expanding the occupation and erasing anything that was occupation and erasing anything that was occupation and erasing anything that was ever called Palestine and any human

ever called Palestine and any human ever called Palestine and any human being that was ever called the being that was ever called the being that was ever called the Palestinian Palestinian Palestinian so those kids growing up in Gaza now to so those kids growing up in Gaza now to so those kids growing up in Gaza now to you they have almost no choice but to you they have almost no choice but to you they have almost no choice but to have have have hatred for hatred for hatred for Israel it's Israel it's Israel it's human I mean look any human I mean look any human I mean look any child that is under that type of child that is under that type of child that is under that type of Oppression is going to hate their Oppression is going to hate their Oppression is going to hate their oppressor I don't care who you are I oppressor I don't care who you are I oppressor I don't care who you are I don't care what you are but here's my don't care what you are but here's my don't care what you are but here's my problem with how that gets brought problem with how that gets brought problem with how that gets brought up you're talking about the future of up you're talking about the future of up you're talking about the future of the security of Israel even some people the security of Israel even some people the security of Israel even some people that speak about it uh seemingly from a that speak about it uh seemingly from a that speak about it uh seemingly from a place of being well-meaning that say the place of being well-meaning that say the place of being well-meaning that say the only way that Israel can have its only way that Israel can have its only way that Israel can have its Security is to stop killing Palestinians Security is to stop killing Palestinians Security is to stop killing Palestinians and so the future of Israel depends upon and so the future of Israel depends upon and so the future of Israel depends upon Palestinians not hating Israel so much Palestinians not hating Israel so much Palestinians not hating Israel so much and so we've got to stop tormenting and so we've got to stop tormenting and so we've got to stop tormenting these people so that they don't grow up these people so that they don't grow up these people so that they don't grow up to want to torment us you've already to want to torment us you've already to want to torment us you've already decided then whose life is worth more decided then whose life is worth more decided then whose life is worth more than the other and so instead of talking than the other and so instead of talking than the other and so instead of talking about the future about the future about the future of Israeli Lives why don't you talk of Israeli Lives why don't you talk of Israeli Lives why don't you talk about the present of Palestinian lives about the present of Palestinian lives about the present of Palestinian lives instead of talking about whether or not instead of talking about whether or not instead of talking about whether or not your state will be secure in the your state will be secure in the your state will be secure in the future talk to me about why you're future talk to me about why you're future talk to me about why you're killing children now 2third of the killing children now 2third of the killing children now 2third of the 30,000 civilians are women and children 30,000 civilians are women and children 30,000 civilians are women and children and so uh we can't talk about what these and so uh we can't talk about what these and so uh we can't talk about what these children are going to grow up with we children are going to grow up with we children are going to grow up with we should talk about whether or not these should talk about whether or not these should talk about whether or not these children are going to grow up in the children are going to grow up in the children are going to grow up in the first place and that should be what

first place and that should be what first place and that should be what dominates our conscience right now and dominates our conscience right now and dominates our conscience right now and what drives our policies and what drives what drives our policies and what drives what drives our policies and what drives our emotions right now so when I had a our emotions right now so when I had a our emotions right now so when I had a conversation with Elam musk he conversation with Elam musk he conversation with Elam musk he suggested that what Israel should do is suggested that what Israel should do is suggested that what Israel should do is conspicuous acts of conspicuous acts of conspicuous acts of kindness so do as much kindness so do as much kindness so do as much positive things in Gaza as possible on a positive things in Gaza as possible on a positive things in Gaza as possible on a basic individual human level and at a basic individual human level and at a basic individual human level and at a policy level at every level what do you policy level at every level what do you policy level at every level what do you think about that I mean you don't pass think about that I mean you don't pass think about that I mean you don't pass out candy in a concentration camp you out candy in a concentration camp you out candy in a concentration camp you end the end the end the occupation and so there has to be a occupation and so there has to be a occupation and so there has to be a solution that is beyond merely acts of solution that is beyond merely acts of solution that is beyond merely acts of kindness at the end of the day if you're kindness at the end of the day if you're kindness at the end of the day if you're occupying a occupying a occupying a people you have to remove that people you have to remove that people you have to remove that occupation a paride is not dealt with by occupation a paride is not dealt with by occupation a paride is not dealt with by acts of kindness on the part of the acts of kindness on the part of the acts of kindness on the part of the occupying power apartheid is dealt with occupying power apartheid is dealt with occupying power apartheid is dealt with by ending a parthe and so there has to by ending a parthe and so there has to by ending a parthe and so there has to be a level of accountability it's not be a level of accountability it's not be a level of accountability it's not just acts of kindness it's not just uh just acts of kindness it's not just uh just acts of kindness it's not just uh treating the people with more dignity treating the people with more dignity treating the people with more dignity it's giving them the ability to pursue it's giving them the ability to pursue it's giving them the ability to pursue their own dignity there's a reason why their own dignity there's a reason why their own dignity there's a reason why it's called Palestinian it's called Palestinian it's called Palestinian self-determination the United States self-determination the United States self-determination the United States likes to use it in all of its likes to use it in all of its likes to use it in all of its inconsequential statements that we need inconsequential statements that we need inconsequential statements that we need Palestinian self-determination too but Palestinian self-determination too but Palestinian self-determination too but the United States also voted against 138 the United States also voted against 138 the United States also voted against 138 states in the United Nations to allow states in the United Nations to allow states in the United Nations to allow for Palestinian for Palestinian for Palestinian self-determination uh self-determination self-determination uh self-determination self-determination uh self-determination means I get to pursue my own course of means I get to pursue my own course of means I get to pursue my own course of worth I get to pursue my own happiness I

worth I get to pursue my own happiness I worth I get to pursue my own happiness I don't have to depend on the benevolence don't have to depend on the benevolence don't have to depend on the benevolence of my occupier and when my occupier of my occupier and when my occupier of my occupier and when my occupier feels like you know throwing me a few feels like you know throwing me a few feels like you know throwing me a few more crumbs it has to end there has to more crumbs it has to end there has to more crumbs it has to end there has to be a point now where the world says this be a point now where the world says this be a point now where the world says this is not sustainable it's not just about is not sustainable it's not just about is not sustainable it's not just about ending the present genocide a ceasefire ending the present genocide a ceasefire ending the present genocide a ceasefire is the bare minimum I think any decent is the bare minimum I think any decent is the bare minimum I think any decent human being would be calling for a human being would be calling for a human being would be calling for a ceasefire right now but at some point ceasefire right now but at some point ceasefire right now but at some point you cease occupation you cease apartheid you cease occupation you cease apartheid you cease occupation you cease apartheid because what led to the ability because what led to the ability because what led to the ability of Israel to carry out a genocide of Israel to carry out a genocide of Israel to carry out a genocide without any without any without any accountability was that the global Arena accountability was that the global Arena accountability was that the global Arena has permitted it to do so largely due to has permitted it to do so largely due to has permitted it to do so largely due to American obstruction of American obstruction of American obstruction of justice is violence an effective justice is violence an effective justice is violence an effective method of resistance so the framework method of resistance so the framework method of resistance so the framework that I would propose is that Dr King mentioned that peace is not that Dr King mentioned that peace is not the absence the absence the absence of violence it's the presence of of violence it's the presence of of violence it's the presence of justice and so occupation and apartheid justice and so occupation and apartheid justice and so occupation and apartheid are violence even in their most are violence even in their most are violence even in their most benevolent benevolent benevolent manifestations the default of occupation manifestations the default of occupation manifestations the default of occupation is that it is unjustified the default of is that it is unjustified the default of is that it is unjustified the default of apartheid is that it is unjustified and apartheid is that it is unjustified and apartheid is that it is unjustified and it must be dealt with the default of it must be dealt with the default of it must be dealt with the default of resistance to occupation and apartheid resistance to occupation and apartheid resistance to occupation and apartheid is that it is Justified but there can be is that it is Justified but there can be is that it is Justified but there can be transgressions even resisting occupation transgressions even resisting occupation transgressions even resisting occupation and apartheid right and and I come to

and apartheid right and and I come to and apartheid right and and I come to this from an Islamic perspective my this from an Islamic perspective my this from an Islamic perspective my moral framework is moral framework is moral framework is Islam the prophet Muhammad peace be upon Islam the prophet Muhammad peace be upon Islam the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was outraged when he saw uh a woman him was outraged when he saw uh a woman him was outraged when he saw uh a woman or a child that was dead from the other or a child that was dead from the other or a child that was dead from the other side the side of his side the side of his side the side of his persecutors and so yes you know we have persecutors and so yes you know we have persecutors and so yes you know we have a saying as Muslims that they are not a saying as Muslims that they are not a saying as Muslims that they are not our teachers our oppressors are not our our teachers our oppressors are not our our teachers our oppressors are not our teachers but the concept of resistance teachers but the concept of resistance teachers but the concept of resistance to to to occupation it is morally Justified it is occupation it is morally Justified it is occupation it is morally Justified it is justified by international law any justified by international law any justified by international law any occupied people have the right to defend occupied people have the right to defend occupied people have the right to defend themselves we talk about Israel's right themselves we talk about Israel's right themselves we talk about Israel's right to defend itself Israel is the occupier to defend itself Israel is the occupier to defend itself Israel is the occupier any occupied people by international law any occupied people by international law any occupied people by international law have the right to defend have the right to defend have the right to defend themselves uh and any occupation is themselves uh and any occupation is themselves uh and any occupation is unjustified and illegal and so that's unjustified and illegal and so that's unjustified and illegal and so that's where I start from that's the point that where I start from that's the point that where I start from that's the point that I come to this with I think that the I come to this with I think that the I come to this with I think that the problem is is that the Palestinians are problem is is that the Palestinians are problem is is that the Palestinians are told find better ways to resist and then told find better ways to resist and then told find better ways to resist and then they are they are they are demonized when they try to find any demonized when they try to find any demonized when they try to find any other way to resist you know if you go other way to resist you know if you go other way to resist you know if you go back a few years ago you had the great back a few years ago you had the great back a few years ago you had the great return March people in Gaza marched to return March people in Gaza marched to return March people in Gaza marched to the wall in what was one of the most the wall in what was one of the most the wall in what was one of the most inspiring protests or inspiring protests or inspiring protests or demonstrations that I had ever seen demonstrations that I had ever seen demonstrations that I had ever seen March to the wall nonviolent March to the wall nonviolent March to the wall nonviolent protest and snipers took out their legs

protest and snipers took out their legs protest and snipers took out their legs AP actually AP actually AP actually documented that Israeli snipers had knee documented that Israeli snipers had knee documented that Israeli snipers had knee counts where you had an Israeli soldier counts where you had an Israeli soldier counts where you had an Israeli soldier that would say I took out 45 knees they that would say I took out 45 knees they that would say I took out 45 knees they actually had a register a scroll of KNE actually had a register a scroll of KNE actually had a register a scroll of KNE counts and so you have all these kids in counts and so you have all these kids in counts and so you have all these kids in Gaza walking around without legs now Gaza walking around without legs now Gaza walking around without legs now because they were targeted by snipers because they were targeted by snipers because they were targeted by snipers when they marched to the wall we're told when they marched to the wall we're told when they marched to the wall we're told to find methods of nonviolent resistance to find methods of nonviolent resistance to find methods of nonviolent resistance but when we boycott when we Bunch you but when we boycott when we Bunch you but when we boycott when we Bunch you know boycotts around the world in know boycotts around the world in know boycotts around the world in response to this transgression in response to this transgression in response to this transgression in response to this ongoing oppression that response to this ongoing oppression that response to this ongoing oppression that the world powers have shown either the the world powers have shown either the the world powers have shown either the inability or the unwillingness to reign inability or the unwillingness to reign inability or the unwillingness to reign in we're told that that's anti-semitic in we're told that that's anti-semitic in we're told that that's anti-semitic even though it is based on the South even though it is based on the South even though it is based on the South African method of bringing an end to the African method of bringing an end to the African method of bringing an end to the apartheid regime there so uh don't apartheid regime there so uh don't apartheid regime there so uh don't respond with violence don't respond respond with violence don't respond respond with violence don't respond non-violently don't protest uh don't try non-violently don't protest uh don't try non-violently don't protest uh don't try to use people power in the face of to use people power in the face of to use people power in the face of global impotence at the political level global impotence at the political level global impotence at the political level instead let's just keep talking about instead let's just keep talking about instead let's just keep talking about the two-state solution and while talking the two-state solution and while talking the two-state solution and while talking about the two-state solution if you were about the two-state solution if you were about the two-state solution if you were to look at a to look at a to look at a map under every single Israeli map under every single Israeli map under every single Israeli regime conservative or liberal whatever regime conservative or liberal whatever regime conservative or liberal whatever it is the settlements have expanded more it is the settlements have expanded more it is the settlements have expanded more Palestinian land has disappeared more Palestinian land has disappeared more Palestinian land has disappeared more Palestinians have been dispossessed more Palestinians have been dispossessed more Palestinians have been dispossessed more Palestinians have been killed and so we Palestinians have been killed and so we Palestinians have been killed and so we have these little pieces of land that have these little pieces of land that have these little pieces of land that keep on keep on keep on shrinking and Jerusalem keeps

shrinking and Jerusalem keeps shrinking and Jerusalem keeps disappearing and there's aggression disappearing and there's aggression disappearing and there's aggression whether Palestinians are resisting or whether Palestinians are resisting or whether Palestinians are resisting or not but then we're told why can't you not but then we're told why can't you not but then we're told why can't you people just pursue peace why can't you people just pursue peace why can't you people just pursue peace why can't you just believe in a better way all along just believe in a better way all along just believe in a better way all along we're hearing Israeli ministers become we're hearing Israeli ministers become we're hearing Israeli ministers become far more radical and uh open about their far more radical and uh open about their far more radical and uh open about their intentions to wipe us off the face of intentions to wipe us off the face of intentions to wipe us off the face of the Earth and that is actually their the Earth and that is actually their the Earth and that is actually their policy it's not just slogans it's not policy it's not just slogans it's not policy it's not just slogans it's not Fringe elements actual Israeli Minister Fringe elements actual Israeli Minister Fringe elements actual Israeli Minister starting from the Prime Minister himself starting from the Prime Minister himself starting from the Prime Minister himself who has executed a policy of the removal who has executed a policy of the removal who has executed a policy of the removal of all Palestinian lands and Palestinian of all Palestinian lands and Palestinian of all Palestinian lands and Palestinian lives and then we're told peace peace lives and then we're told peace peace lives and then we're told peace peace peace peace and it is awfully ugly when peace peace and it is awfully ugly when peace peace and it is awfully ugly when you use the language of peace to you use the language of peace to you use the language of peace to suffocate the work of Justice you know suffocate the work of Justice you know suffocate the work of Justice you know Dr Martin Luther King Jr one of his Dr Martin Luther King Jr one of his Dr Martin Luther King Jr one of his early sermons was something along the early sermons was something along the early sermons was something along the lines of when peace is obnoxious when lines of when peace is obnoxious when lines of when peace is obnoxious when peace is obnoxious it was in the peace is obnoxious it was in the peace is obnoxious it was in the 1950s around the m monery uh bus boycott 1950s around the m monery uh bus boycott 1950s around the m monery uh bus boycott and he talked about how this obsession and he talked about how this obsession and he talked about how this obsession with the language of peace is usually with the language of peace is usually with the language of peace is usually used to try to uh keep people in status used to try to uh keep people in status used to try to uh keep people in status quo and make them complacent with their quo and make them complacent with their quo and make them complacent with their miserable situation that has been the miserable situation that has been the miserable situation that has been the story of the Palestinian people that story of the Palestinian people that story of the Palestinian people that they've been told that if you do things they've been told that if you do things they've been told that if you do things differently then you will find peace but differently then you will find peace but differently then you will find peace but everything the Palestinians have tried everything the Palestinians have tried everything the Palestinians have tried inside and outside has been met with inside and outside has been met with inside and outside has been met with repression the most violent forms of it repression the most violent forms of it repression the most violent forms of it they in Gaza and Beyond and so look I I

they in Gaza and Beyond and so look I I they in Gaza and Beyond and so look I I start from the place of wanting to see start from the place of wanting to see start from the place of wanting to see peace I want to see a situation in which peace I want to see a situation in which peace I want to see a situation in which no innocent people lose their no innocent people lose their no innocent people lose their lives but we have to analyze the lives but we have to analyze the lives but we have to analyze the situation with some justice with some situation with some justice with some situation with some justice with some fairness what would any group of people fairness what would any group of people fairness what would any group of people do in this situation that doesn't mean do in this situation that doesn't mean do in this situation that doesn't mean that you hope for hell that means that that you hope for hell that means that that you hope for hell that means that you analyze the existing circumstances you analyze the existing circumstances you analyze the existing circumstances of Hell which was life in Gaza even of Hell which was life in Gaza even of Hell which was life in Gaza even before October 7th that said you did before October 7th that said you did before October 7th that said you did talk about wild lak duuk and talk about wild lak duuk and talk about wild lak duuk and dignity and you mentioned dignity and you mentioned dignity and you mentioned transgressions so there is places where transgressions so there is places where transgressions so there is places where violence can go too far absolutely so violence can go too far absolutely so violence can go too far absolutely so violence again the point is is that you violence again the point is is that you violence again the point is is that you you ask yourself why we've been silent you ask yourself why we've been silent you ask yourself why we've been silent about the violence all of this time and about the violence all of this time and about the violence all of this time and you know what when people say well what you know what when people say well what you know what when people say well what about this what about that my response about this what about that my response about this what about that my response is this what I would love to see is is this what I would love to see is is this what I would love to see is effective International bodies of effective International bodies of effective International bodies of Justice being able to reign in any party Justice being able to reign in any party Justice being able to reign in any party that has committed an act of aggression that has committed an act of aggression that has committed an act of aggression or committed an act of Injustice and or committed an act of Injustice and or committed an act of Injustice and hold them accountable any reasonable hold them accountable any reasonable hold them accountable any reasonable human being would say yeah you know what human being would say yeah you know what human being would say yeah you know what there should be effective International there should be effective International there should be effective International bodies that can reign in parties that bodies that can reign in parties that bodies that can reign in parties that can't be reigned in domestically that can't be reigned in domestically that can't be reigned in domestically that could stop the violence that could could stop the violence that could could stop the violence that could assign blame properly and then have assign blame properly and then have assign blame properly and then have methods of accountability the problem is methods of accountability the problem is methods of accountability the problem is is that Israel has been made Invincible

is that Israel has been made Invincible is that Israel has been made Invincible in the international Arena because of in the international Arena because of in the international Arena because of the United States and then we wonder why the United States and then we wonder why the United States and then we wonder why there's such a rise in global there's such a rise in global there's such a rise in global anti-American sentiment it's not because anti-American sentiment it's not because anti-American sentiment it's not because of American Freedom it's because America of American Freedom it's because America of American Freedom it's because America is directly participating the United is directly participating the United is directly participating the United States government is directly States government is directly States government is directly participating in the worst genocide that participating in the worst genocide that participating in the worst genocide that we have ever seen in our lives right we have ever seen in our lives right we have ever seen in our lives right playing out on playing out on playing out on screen you know on social media and we screen you know on social media and we screen you know on social media and we can't do anything about it so I think can't do anything about it so I think can't do anything about it so I think that the point is is that we need those that the point is is that we need those that the point is is that we need those International bodies we need methods of International bodies we need methods of International bodies we need methods of effective accountability and I would effective accountability and I would effective accountability and I would love to see blame properly assigned and love to see blame properly assigned and love to see blame properly assigned and anyone that kills any innocent human anyone that kills any innocent human anyone that kills any innocent human being take into account anyone that is being take into account anyone that is being take into account anyone that is guilty of a war crime Tak to account we guilty of a war crime Tak to account we guilty of a war crime Tak to account we have to ask ourselves why is it that have to ask ourselves why is it that have to ask ourselves why is it that Israel has violated over 63 United Israel has violated over 63 United Israel has violated over 63 United Nations resolutions has expanded its Nations resolutions has expanded its Nations resolutions has expanded its occupation has killed over 600 occupation has killed over 600 occupation has killed over 600 Palestinians before October 7th why is Palestinians before October 7th why is Palestinians before October 7th why is it that Israel cannot be held it that Israel cannot be held it that Israel cannot be held accountable and so when you talk about accountable and so when you talk about accountable and so when you talk about you know words that get thrown around um you know words that get thrown around um you know words that get thrown around um you know that that are used to justify you know that that are used to justify you know that that are used to justify violence against more innocent violence against more innocent violence against more innocent people you know when I'm asked about uh people you know when I'm asked about uh people you know when I'm asked about uh terrorism is it only terrorism if it's a terrorism is it only terrorism if it's a terrorism is it only terrorism if it's a non-state actor non-state actor non-state actor if someone's sitting inside a room you if someone's sitting inside a room you if someone's sitting inside a room you know of suits and can press a button and know of suits and can press a button and know of suits and can press a button and terrorize thousands of people and murder

terrorize thousands of people and murder terrorize thousands of people and murder innocent people with no innocent people with no innocent people with no consequences how is that not terrorism consequences how is that not terrorism consequences how is that not terrorism so if terrorism is only to be assigned so if terrorism is only to be assigned so if terrorism is only to be assigned to non-state actors then it's a word to non-state actors then it's a word to non-state actors then it's a word without function in fact it's a word without function in fact it's a word without function in fact it's a word that justifies more terror that is then that justifies more terror that is then that justifies more terror that is then rained upon innocent populations we have rained upon innocent populations we have rained upon innocent populations we have to have moral consistency children to have moral consistency children to have moral consistency children should not be killed not non combatant should not be killed not non combatant should not be killed not non combatant should not be targeted we can all agree should not be targeted we can all agree should not be targeted we can all agree upon that why aren't there proper upon that why aren't there proper upon that why aren't there proper investigative bodies and then proper investigative bodies and then proper investigative bodies and then proper International bodies of accountability International bodies of accountability International bodies of accountability then that can execute their findings in then that can execute their findings in then that can execute their findings in a way that makes the world a better a way that makes the world a better a way that makes the world a better place in a way that actually brings place in a way that actually brings place in a way that actually brings about more peace and so you know I think about more peace and so you know I think about more peace and so you know I think this is where we're at right now this is where we're at right now this is where we're at right now and this is the frustration and this is and this is the frustration and this is and this is the frustration and this is the the place that the Palestinians have the the place that the Palestinians have the the place that the Palestinians have been left so to you violence becomes been left so to you violence becomes been left so to you violence becomes terrorism when men women and children terrorism when men women and children terrorism when men women and children non-combatants are killed no matter who non-combatants are killed no matter who non-combatants are killed no matter who is doing the killing is doing the killing is doing the killing absolutely absolutely in absolutely in America for you America for you America for you for other Palestinians other Muslims in for other Palestinians other Muslims in for other Palestinians other Muslims in your community what has all of this been your community what has all of this been your community what has all of this been like it feels like there's a uh a return like it feels like there's a uh a return like it feels like there's a uh a return to some of the days uh after 9/11 the to some of the days uh after 9/11 the to some of the days uh after 9/11 the dehumanization the feeling of complete dehumanization the feeling of complete dehumanization the feeling of complete disregard for our Humanity at the level disregard for our Humanity at the level disregard for our Humanity at the level of government at the level of

of government at the level of of government at the level of media feeling of an increase in media feeling of an increase in media feeling of an increase in surveillance the feeling of an increase surveillance the feeling of an increase surveillance the feeling of an increase in in in bigotry um people are losing their bigotry um people are losing their bigotry um people are losing their jobs uh and people are being uh jobs uh and people are being uh jobs uh and people are being uh bered on campuses and grocery stores and bered on campuses and grocery stores and bered on campuses and grocery stores and people are being killed people are being killed people are being killed you know I went to the funeral of a you know I went to the funeral of a you know I went to the funeral of a six-year-old boy who was killed directly six-year-old boy who was killed directly six-year-old boy who was killed directly due to anti-palestinian due to anti-palestinian due to anti-palestinian propaganda and so I think that a lot of propaganda and so I think that a lot of propaganda and so I think that a lot of us are feeling a return to that but we us are feeling a return to that but we us are feeling a return to that but we also uh refuse to be cornered into a also uh refuse to be cornered into a also uh refuse to be cornered into a position where we are told to position where we are told to position where we are told to perpetually condemn acts of violence and perpetually condemn acts of violence and perpetually condemn acts of violence and not speak about the violence that's not speak about the violence that's not speak about the violence that's committed against us here committed against us here committed against us here abroad can you tell the story of this abroad can you tell the story of this abroad can you tell the story of this boy why Alpha boy why Alpha boy why Alpha he's a 6-year-old Palestinian American he's a 6-year-old Palestinian American he's a 6-year-old Palestinian American boy who was stabbed 26 times in his home boy who was stabbed 26 times in his home boy who was stabbed 26 times in his home in planfield Township Illinois it was in planfield Township Illinois it was in planfield Township Illinois it was found to be a hate crime motivated by found to be a hate crime motivated by found to be a hate crime motivated by islamophobia and islamophobia and islamophobia and um the um the um the attacker said you Muslims must attacker said you Muslims must attacker said you Muslims must die so before W was killed W was killed die so before W was killed W was killed die so before W was killed W was killed on a Saturday it was um the immediate on a Saturday it was um the immediate on a Saturday it was um the immediate Saturday after October 7th I remember on Saturday after October 7th I remember on Saturday after October 7th I remember on Friday uh media starts to reach out to Friday uh media starts to reach out to Friday uh media starts to reach out to every Imam in the country every Muslim every Imam in the country every Muslim every Imam in the country every Muslim leader in the country and say what are

leader in the country and say what are leader in the country and say what are you going to do about this Global day of you going to do about this Global day of you going to do about this Global day of jihad what are you going to do about the jihad what are you going to do about the jihad what are you going to do about the global day of jihad it's like what are global day of jihad it's like what are global day of jihad it's like what are you talking about it's like well Hamas you talking about it's like well Hamas you talking about it's like well Hamas has called for a global day of jihad so has called for a global day of jihad so has called for a global day of jihad so how are you going to stop Muslims from how are you going to stop Muslims from how are you going to stop Muslims from attacking people right so it's Friday attacking people right so it's Friday attacking people right so it's Friday and I'm like well this is the first I'm and I'm like well this is the first I'm and I'm like well this is the first I'm hearing from you and I I remember resp hearing from you and I I remember resp hearing from you and I I remember resp responding to a local reporter most responding to a local reporter most responding to a local reporter most people I just ignored I responded to a people I just ignored I responded to a people I just ignored I responded to a local reporter I said I've got people in local reporter I said I've got people in local reporter I said I've got people in my community that have already lost 10 my community that have already lost 10 my community that have already lost 10 15 relatives at that point now it's 15 relatives at that point now it's 15 relatives at that point now it's 2030 and you haven't said a word and now 2030 and you haven't said a word and now 2030 and you haven't said a word and now you're reaching out to me about the you're reaching out to me about the you're reaching out to me about the potential violence of Muslims in America potential violence of Muslims in America potential violence of Muslims in America this is great this is just like 9911 this is great this is just like 9911 this is great this is just like 9911 right what are you going to do to right what are you going to do to right what are you going to do to restrain you angry restrain you angry restrain you angry Muslims from responding to what's Muslims from responding to what's Muslims from responding to what's happening overseas and responding to the happening overseas and responding to the happening overseas and responding to the call of a global day of jihad call of a global day of jihad call of a global day of jihad guess what that guess what that guess what that night this man takes out a military night this man takes out a military night this man takes out a military knife and attacks a six-year-old boy a knife and attacks a six-year-old boy a knife and attacks a six-year-old boy a six-year-old Palestinian Boy by the way six-year-old Palestinian Boy by the way six-year-old Palestinian Boy by the way it gets worse the more details that you it gets worse the more details that you it gets worse the more details that you know and and I recently had a chance to know and and I recently had a chance to know and and I recently had a chance to go and speak to his mom uh cuz she was go and speak to his mom uh cuz she was go and speak to his mom uh cuz she was in the hospital when I was there for the in the hospital when I was there for the in the hospital when I was there for the funeral so I had a chance to visit her funeral so I had a chance to visit her funeral so I had a chance to visit her um not too long ago and she was attacked um not too long ago and she was attacked um not too long ago and she was attacked also she was attacked first it was also she was attacked first it was also she was attacked first it was actually their landlord so Hanan the actually their landlord so Hanan the actually their landlord so Hanan the mother um was at home with wadir mother um was at home with wadir mother um was at home with wadir six-year-old six-year-old six-year-old boy landlord comes in and with boy landlord comes in and with boy landlord comes in and with absolutely no emotion just charges at absolutely no emotion just charges at absolutely no emotion just charges at her starts with her she was able to

her starts with her she was able to her starts with her she was able to fight him off he stabbed her initially fight him off he stabbed her initially fight him off he stabbed her initially seven or eight times with a military seven or eight times with a military seven or eight times with a military grade grade grade knife she fought him off um escaped to knife she fought him off um escaped to knife she fought him off um escaped to call call call 911 and while she's calling 911 she 911 and while she's calling 911 she 911 and while she's calling 911 she hears wer hears wer hears wer W ran up to the man calling him Uncle W ran up to the man calling him Uncle W ran up to the man calling him Uncle Joe because the land lord prior to that Joe because the land lord prior to that Joe because the land lord prior to that had been kind to them used to give wer had been kind to them used to give wer had been kind to them used to give wer toys wer had an infectious beautiful toys wer had an infectious beautiful toys wer had an infectious beautiful smile every picture you see that kid smile every picture you see that kid smile every picture you see that kid beautiful beautiful beautiful smile and beautiful beautiful beautiful smile and beautiful beautiful beautiful smile and so w runs up to him says Uncle Joe he so w runs up to him says Uncle Joe he so w runs up to him says Uncle Joe he runs up to him to give him a hug even runs up to him to give him a hug even runs up to him to give him a hug even though he's carrying a military grade though he's carrying a military grade though he's carrying a military grade knife with blood on it cuz wer doesn't knife with blood on it cuz wer doesn't knife with blood on it cuz wer doesn't believe that harm can come to him from believe that harm can come to him from believe that harm can come to him from that that that man and um Hanan didn't think man and um Hanan didn't think man and um Hanan didn't think that he would do anything to her kid that he would do anything to her kid that he would do anything to her kid even in that fit of rage the last thing even in that fit of rage the last thing even in that fit of rage the last thing that she says she heard was oh that she says she heard was oh that she says she heard was oh no you know W says oh no and then he no you know W says oh no and then he no you know W says oh no and then he starts to stab him 26 times says you starts to stab him 26 times says you starts to stab him 26 times says you Muslims Must Muslims Must Muslims Must Die uh usually in a scene like that Die uh usually in a scene like that Die uh usually in a scene like that police are hesitant police are hesitant police are hesitant to classify something as a hate crime it to classify something as a hate crime it to classify something as a hate crime it was classified as a hate crime the very was classified as a hate crime the very was classified as a hate crime the very same same same day the thing is is that who's complient day the thing is is that who's complient day the thing is is that who's complient in that hate crime what filled that in that hate crime what filled that in that hate crime what filled that man's head for him to believe that he man's head for him to believe that he man's head for him to believe that he was doing an act of Good by murdering a

was doing an act of Good by murdering a was doing an act of Good by murdering a six-year-old Palestinian six-year-old Palestinian six-year-old Palestinian boy and in boy and in boy and in reality Uncle Joe was motivated by reality Uncle Joe was motivated by reality Uncle Joe was motivated by President Joe Biden who repeated a President Joe Biden who repeated a President Joe Biden who repeated a debunked report that there were 40 debunked report that there were 40 debunked report that there were 40 beheaded Israeli babies and he said I beheaded Israeli babies and he said I beheaded Israeli babies and he said I saw 40 beheaded Israeli babies the White saw 40 beheaded Israeli babies the White saw 40 beheaded Israeli babies the White House walked it House walked it House walked it back afterwards in a statement that no back afterwards in a statement that no back afterwards in a statement that no one reads because it was factually false one reads because it was factually false one reads because it was factually false but Uncle Joe heard but Uncle Joe heard but Uncle Joe heard it and had been binge it and had been binge it and had been binge watching media about these violent watching media about these violent watching media about these violent Palestinians and suddenly the propaganda Palestinians and suddenly the propaganda Palestinians and suddenly the propaganda overcame his own humanity and what he overcame his own humanity and what he overcame his own humanity and what he knew of that family and he went in and knew of that family and he went in and knew of that family and he went in and ruined their lives and you know now you ruined their lives and you know now you ruined their lives and you know now you know just like any any know just like any any know just like any any mom you know she hasn't moved the thing mom you know she hasn't moved the thing mom you know she hasn't moved the thing his bike is still in the same place it his bike is still in the same place it his bike is still in the same place it was his toys are still in the same place was his toys are still in the same place was his toys are still in the same place she's left with this great void this she's left with this great void this she's left with this great void this great emptiness if that was the only great emptiness if that was the only great emptiness if that was the only crime it would be crime it would be crime it would be enough to wake this country up and say enough to wake this country up and say enough to wake this country up and say oh no this is not where we need to go oh oh no this is not where we need to go oh oh no this is not where we need to go oh no right the last thing she heard him no right the last thing she heard him no right the last thing she heard him say was oh no if that was it and I got say was oh no if that was it and I got say was oh no if that was it and I got the news by the way when I was the news by the way when I was the news by the way when I was ironically at a protest we were ironically at a protest we were ironically at a protest we were protesting on Saturday Downtown Dallas protesting on Saturday Downtown Dallas protesting on Saturday Downtown Dallas and I started getting all these texts and I started getting all these texts and I started getting all these texts about what happened in Chicago oh no about what happened in Chicago oh no about what happened in Chicago oh no right right right like no Muslims attacked anyone the

like no Muslims attacked anyone the like no Muslims attacked anyone the media was in a frenzy over the global media was in a frenzy over the global media was in a frenzy over the global day of jihad I got called by national day of jihad I got called by national day of jihad I got called by national news outlets and local news outlets what news outlets and local news outlets what news outlets and local news outlets what are you going to do about Muslims that are you going to do about Muslims that are you going to do about Muslims that are going to turn into monsters and are going to turn into monsters and are going to turn into monsters and start killing people in the streets start killing people in the streets start killing people in the streets next thing we know we have a dead next thing we know we have a dead next thing we know we have a dead six-year-old Palestinian boy went to his six-year-old Palestinian boy went to his six-year-old Palestinian boy went to his funeral um and that's kind of speaks to funeral um and that's kind of speaks to funeral um and that's kind of speaks to the proximity part of things yeah it felt like stepping into things yeah it felt like stepping into Gaza right for a moment it didn't feel Gaza right for a moment it didn't feel Gaza right for a moment it didn't feel like America didn't feel like America like America didn't feel like America like America didn't feel like America felt like stepping into Gaza his casket felt like stepping into Gaza his casket felt like stepping into Gaza his casket was wrapped in a Palestinian was wrapped in a Palestinian was wrapped in a Palestinian flag um there was not just sadness at flag um there was not just sadness at flag um there was not just sadness at his funeral but a deep sense of anger at his funeral but a deep sense of anger at his funeral but a deep sense of anger at the funeral some of his family members the funeral some of his family members the funeral some of his family members shouted out Joe Biden you did this Joe shouted out Joe Biden you did this Joe shouted out Joe Biden you did this Joe Biden you did Biden you did Biden you did this this this um and and you know I um and and you know I um and and you know I remember the next day it was right after remember the next day it was right after remember the next day it was right after the the the funeral looking at the front page of funeral looking at the front page of funeral looking at the front page of CNN and the story of wer was CNN and the story of wer was CNN and the story of wer was buried in the last in the last buried in the last in the last buried in the last in the last section and it it was right over all section and it it was right over all section and it it was right over all these meaningless ads and I thought to these meaningless ads and I thought to these meaningless ads and I thought to myself that's it like if this was if myself that's it like if this was if myself that's it like if this was if this was an Arab man let's be real let's this was an Arab man let's be real let's this was an Arab man let's be real let's be honest here if this was a Palestinian be honest here if this was a Palestinian be honest here if this was a Palestinian landlord that stabbed a six-year-old landlord that stabbed a six-year-old landlord that stabbed a six-year-old Jewish boy to Jewish boy to Jewish boy to death this would have gotten more

death this would have gotten more death this would have gotten more attention it would have been the front attention it would have been the front attention it would have been the front page of the news and rightfully so page of the news and rightfully so page of the news and rightfully so people would have people would have people would have grieved over the insanity of stabbing a grieved over the insanity of stabbing a grieved over the insanity of stabbing a six-year-old boy 20 six times became an six-year-old boy 20 six times became an six-year-old boy 20 six times became an afterthought the very next afterthought the very next afterthought the very next day and so it's an extension of the day and so it's an extension of the day and so it's an extension of the bigotry an extension of the racism and bigotry an extension of the racism and bigotry an extension of the racism and there's so much that happens after that there's so much that happens after that there's so much that happens after that there's the terrible uh stabbing of uh there's the terrible uh stabbing of uh there's the terrible uh stabbing of uh Detroit synagogue president Samantha Detroit synagogue president Samantha Detroit synagogue president Samantha wall and it's horrible she was stabbed wall and it's horrible she was stabbed wall and it's horrible she was stabbed in her driveway immediately front page in her driveway immediately front page in her driveway immediately front page of all the news outlets immediately it's of all the news outlets immediately it's of all the news outlets immediately it's the main news story and immediately the the main news story and immediately the the main news story and immediately the implications are there go the Muslims implications are there go the Muslims implications are there go the Muslims the Palestinians have lost their minds the Palestinians have lost their minds the Palestinians have lost their minds the Muslims have they are who we thought the Muslims have they are who we thought the Muslims have they are who we thought they were right that's what it is they they were right that's what it is they they were right that's what it is they are who we thought they were they went are who we thought they were they went are who we thought they were they went and they stabbed a synagogue president and they stabbed a synagogue president and they stabbed a synagogue president it turned out it wasn't a hate crime it turned out it wasn't a hate crime it turned out it wasn't a hate crime although it's an awful crime it turned although it's an awful crime it turned although it's an awful crime it turned out it wasn't a hate crime what de's an out it wasn't a hate crime what de's an out it wasn't a hate crime what de's an afterthought had people reach out to me afterthought had people reach out to me afterthought had people reach out to me afterwards expressing afterwards expressing afterwards expressing condolences and I responded to them condolences and I responded to them condolences and I responded to them those who have Justified the genocide in those who have Justified the genocide in those who have Justified the genocide in Gaza Gaza Gaza but that we're somehow offering but that we're somehow offering but that we're somehow offering condolences uh for w privately of course condolences uh for w privately of course condolences uh for w privately of course you know by the way if a Muslim would you know by the way if a Muslim would you know by the way if a Muslim would have committed that crime every single have committed that crime every single have committed that crime every single Muslim leader would have had press in Muslim leader would have had press in Muslim leader would have had press in front of their door to condemn that front of their door to condemn that front of their door to condemn that crime we would have all been made crime we would have all been made crime we would have all been made complicit had people reach out to me say complicit had people reach out to me say complicit had people reach out to me say I'm sorry about what happened with with

I'm sorry about what happened with with I'm sorry about what happened with with wer it's terrible you know I saw you at wer it's terrible you know I saw you at wer it's terrible you know I saw you at the funeral praying for you my response the funeral praying for you my response the funeral praying for you my response was what's the difference between wadir was what's the difference between wadir was what's the difference between wadir and a boy in Gaza what's the difference and a boy in Gaza what's the difference and a boy in Gaza what's the difference between me and wad here I'm a between me and wad here I'm a between me and wad here I'm a Palestinian child my parents made it out Palestinian child my parents made it out Palestinian child my parents made it out of Palestine I was born in this country of Palestine I was born in this country of Palestine I was born in this country if I didn't have the opportunity to grow if I didn't have the opportunity to grow if I didn't have the opportunity to grow up here and to become the person that I up here and to become the person that I up here and to become the person that I became you would have been justifying my became you would have been justifying my became you would have been justifying my murder right now you would have been murder right now you would have been murder right now you would have been okay with my genocide you would have okay with my genocide you would have okay with my genocide you would have been giving the talking points to the been giving the talking points to the been giving the talking points to the press to erase me but you feel sorry press to erase me but you feel sorry press to erase me but you feel sorry because wadir was killed and I think because wadir was killed and I think because wadir was killed and I think this is when we say that anti- this is when we say that anti- this is when we say that anti- Palestinian bigotry is an extension of Palestinian bigotry is an extension of Palestinian bigotry is an extension of islamophobia if a mosque gets targeted islamophobia if a mosque gets targeted islamophobia if a mosque gets targeted here people rightfully rush to protect here people rightfully rush to protect here people rightfully rush to protect that mosque and say this is horrible and that mosque and say this is horrible and that mosque and say this is horrible and it shouldn't happen but when you have an it shouldn't happen but when you have an it shouldn't happen but when you have an Israeli soldier bombing a mosque and Israeli soldier bombing a mosque and Israeli soldier bombing a mosque and laughing like a maniac on video and it's laughing like a maniac on video and it's laughing like a maniac on video and it's going viral on Tik Tok and there's no going viral on Tik Tok and there's no going viral on Tik Tok and there's no way to reain that in and you don't have way to reain that in and you don't have way to reain that in and you don't have a word of condemnation about it in fact a word of condemnation about it in fact a word of condemnation about it in fact you are standing in the way of a you are standing in the way of a you are standing in the way of a ceasefire then you're a hypocrite ceasefire then you're a hypocrite ceasefire then you're a hypocrite there's no way around it you are a there's no way around it you are a there's no way around it you are a hypocrite what's the difference between hypocrite what's the difference between hypocrite what's the difference between a mosque here and a mosque there what's a mosque here and a mosque there what's a mosque here and a mosque there what's the difference between a Palestinian the difference between a Palestinian the difference between a Palestinian life here and and a Palestinian life life here and and a Palestinian life life here and and a Palestinian life there if you're okay with me being there if you're okay with me being there if you're okay with me being murdered there don't say that you care murdered there don't say that you care murdered there don't say that you care about my life here and so that hypocrisy about my life here and so that hypocrisy about my life here and so that hypocrisy has been laid bare we have said multiple has been laid bare we have said multiple has been laid bare we have said multiple times masks are falling masks are times masks are falling masks are times masks are falling masks are falling people that we thought were falling people that we thought were falling people that we thought were decent people somehow have found it in decent people somehow have found it in decent people somehow have found it in themselves to justify a

themselves to justify a themselves to justify a genocide there is no shortage at this genocide there is no shortage at this genocide there is no shortage at this point of videos and again when you you point of videos and again when you you point of videos and again when you you know I could have made the excuse for know I could have made the excuse for know I could have made the excuse for you maybe in the first few you maybe in the first few you maybe in the first few weeks you know that you hadn't seen weeks you know that you hadn't seen weeks you know that you hadn't seen enough but with all social media enough but with all social media enough but with all social media suppression across all platforms there suppression across all platforms there suppression across all platforms there isn't a single platform that hasn't isn't a single platform that hasn't isn't a single platform that hasn't suppressed Palestinian voices with all suppressed Palestinian voices with all suppressed Palestinian voices with all that that that suppression there are enough videos at suppression there are enough videos at suppression there are enough videos at this point of children whose heads have this point of children whose heads have this point of children whose heads have been blown off of children walking been blown off of children walking been blown off of children walking around without limbs of parents carrying around without limbs of parents carrying around without limbs of parents carrying their their kids in bags not body bags I their their kids in bags not body bags I their their kids in bags not body bags I mean grocery bags cuz they don't even mean grocery bags cuz they don't even mean grocery bags cuz they don't even have body bags and screaming out and have body bags and screaming out and have body bags and screaming out and saying why are you doing this this to me saying why are you doing this this to me saying why are you doing this this to me make it stop and you come back and you make it stop and you come back and you make it stop and you come back and you tell that person it's hamas's tell that person it's hamas's tell that person it's hamas's fault where is your Humanity where is fault where is your Humanity where is fault where is your Humanity where is your sense of decency isn't that the your sense of decency isn't that the your sense of decency isn't that the logic of the so-called terrorism that logic of the so-called terrorism that logic of the so-called terrorism that you condemn yeah you can wipe out entire you condemn yeah you can wipe out entire you condemn yeah you can wipe out entire populations you should have talked to populations you should have talked to populations you should have talked to Hamas it's hamas's fault all the kids in Hamas it's hamas's fault all the kids in Hamas it's hamas's fault all the kids in the West Bank all the West Bank all the West Bank all like where does this end so what's your like where does this end so what's your like where does this end so what's your what what are your moral boundaries here what what are your moral boundaries here what what are your moral boundaries here right so if if that's the logic that right so if if that's the logic that right so if if that's the logic that you're okay with then in that case when you're okay with then in that case when you're okay with then in that case when there's a mass shooter in a school in there's a mass shooter in a school in there's a mass shooter in a school in the United States just bomb the whole the United States just bomb the whole the United States just bomb the whole school in fact bomb the whole town if school in fact bomb the whole town if school in fact bomb the whole town if you can't find the mass shooter you know you can't find the mass shooter you know you can't find the mass shooter you know where does this end for you right and so where does this end for you right and so where does this end for you right and so when I say people have lost their when I say people have lost their when I say people have lost their Humanity they're killing us overseas but Humanity they're killing us overseas but Humanity they're killing us overseas but their hearts are dying people have lost their hearts are dying people have lost their hearts are dying people have lost their Humanity they've lost any sense of

their Humanity they've lost any sense of their Humanity they've lost any sense of morality and their moral boundaries and morality and their moral boundaries and morality and their moral boundaries and being there and and and I mean being there and and and I mean being there and and and I mean participating in his funeral it was it participating in his funeral it was it participating in his funeral it was it was anger I'm not used to that I'm not was anger I'm not used to that I'm not was anger I'm not used to that I'm not used to that you know I'm an Imam I used to that you know I'm an Imam I used to that you know I'm an Imam I Pastor to people I went to Christ Church Pastor to people I went to Christ Church Pastor to people I went to Christ Church and that was the worst i' ever seen and that was the worst i' ever seen and that was the worst i' ever seen before where 50 Muslims were killed by a before where 50 Muslims were killed by a before where 50 Muslims were killed by a white white white supremacist and he murdered them with supremacist and he murdered them with supremacist and he murdered them with such callousness and I remember being at such callousness and I remember being at such callousness and I remember being at those funerals and yeah I mean there was those funerals and yeah I mean there was those funerals and yeah I mean there was anger but it was just profound sadness anger but it was just profound sadness anger but it was just profound sadness because at least the rest of the world because at least the rest of the world because at least the rest of the world could all come out in one voice and say could all come out in one voice and say could all come out in one voice and say that's that's that's wrong now most of the world sees what's wrong now most of the world sees what's wrong now most of the world sees what's happening in Gaza and says this is happening in Gaza and says this is happening in Gaza and says this is disgusting most of the world sees this disgusting most of the world sees this disgusting most of the world sees this and says this is a and says this is a and says this is a genocide but we happen to live in this genocide but we happen to live in this genocide but we happen to live in this bubble here where we're constantly being bubble here where we're constantly being bubble here where we're constantly being told we did this to told we did this to told we did this to ourselves and that's the same logic that ourselves and that's the same logic that ourselves and that's the same logic that led to our initial expulsion led to our initial expulsion led to our initial expulsion 1948 what was the crime of those 700 1948 what was the crime of those 700 1948 what was the crime of those 700 100,000 Palestinians that were driven 100,000 Palestinians that were driven 100,000 Palestinians that were driven out of their home in 1948 what did they out of their home in 1948 what did they out of their home in 1948 what did they do they didn't do they did not commit do they didn't do they did not commit do they didn't do they did not commit the Holocaust they didn't have a mass the Holocaust they didn't have a mass the Holocaust they didn't have a mass murder of Jews at their hands what did murder of Jews at their hands what did murder of Jews at their hands what did they do what crime were they paying they do what crime were they paying they do what crime were they paying for and so it's been the consistent for and so it's been the consistent for and so it's been the consistent theme this is the story of our people theme this is the story of our people theme this is the story of our people not since October 7th this is the story not since October 7th this is the story not since October 7th this is the story of our people for the last 75 of our people for the last 75 of our people for the last 75 years there is a deep geopolitical

years there is a deep geopolitical years there is a deep geopolitical connection between the United States and connection between the United States and connection between the United States and that part of the world what is the role that part of the world what is the role that part of the world what is the role of us politicians in all of of us politicians in all of of us politicians in all of this you know James this you know James this you know James Baldwin uh wrote about how Israel was Baldwin uh wrote about how Israel was Baldwin uh wrote about how Israel was created as an extension of United States created as an extension of United States created as an extension of United States policy to be a colonial entity at the policy to be a colonial entity at the policy to be a colonial entity at the gates of the Middle East and to function gates of the Middle East and to function gates of the Middle East and to function essentially as a military base out there essentially as a military base out there essentially as a military base out there and as a means of of extending its and as a means of of extending its and as a means of of extending its policy um you know throughout the Middle policy um you know throughout the Middle policy um you know throughout the Middle East and it has functioned as such the East and it has functioned as such the East and it has functioned as such the United States stes is not an honest United States stes is not an honest United States stes is not an honest peace broker it never has been an honest peace broker it never has been an honest peace broker it never has been an honest peace broker the United States uh has peace broker the United States uh has peace broker the United States uh has never shown any uh meaningful never shown any uh meaningful never shown any uh meaningful inclination towards peace has guarded inclination towards peace has guarded inclination towards peace has guarded and protected Israel from International and protected Israel from International and protected Israel from International accountability has made Israel accountability has made Israel accountability has made Israel Invincible the United States is not just Invincible the United States is not just Invincible the United States is not just responsible at the governmental level responsible at the governmental level responsible at the governmental level for the genocide it's responsible for for the genocide it's responsible for for the genocide it's responsible for letting it get to this point in the letting it get to this point in the letting it get to this point in the first place we have first place we have first place we have funded that Arsenal we've given them the funded that Arsenal we've given them the funded that Arsenal we've given them the most sophisticated weapons in the world most sophisticated weapons in the world most sophisticated weapons in the world to test to test to test on the most desperate population in the on the most desperate population in the on the most desperate population in the world we've given them the world we've given them the world we've given them the weapons it's been weapons it's been weapons it's been bipartisan we have issued at most bipartisan we have issued at most bipartisan we have issued at most inconsequential statements of

inconsequential statements of inconsequential statements of condemnation but at the same time condemnation but at the same time condemnation but at the same time stopped any International body of law stopped any International body of law stopped any International body of law from actually holding it accountable so from actually holding it accountable so from actually holding it accountable so the United States at this point um the United States at this point um the United States at this point um unfortunately has rightfully lost all unfortunately has rightfully lost all unfortunately has rightfully lost all credibility it should remove credibility it should remove credibility it should remove itself uh from this because it is not an itself uh from this because it is not an itself uh from this because it is not an honest peace broker I think Americans honest peace broker I think Americans honest peace broker I think Americans are probably sick of us paying for Wars are probably sick of us paying for Wars are probably sick of us paying for Wars in general I think Americans are in general I think Americans are in general I think Americans are probably sick of our tax dollars going probably sick of our tax dollars going probably sick of our tax dollars going to funding a genocide while we have a to funding a genocide while we have a to funding a genocide while we have a rise of homelessness and um income erity rise of homelessness and um income erity rise of homelessness and um income erity here in the United States I think that here in the United States I think that here in the United States I think that Americans probably don't like that we're Americans probably don't like that we're Americans probably don't like that we're making making making ourselves uh so deeply unpopular in the ourselves uh so deeply unpopular in the ourselves uh so deeply unpopular in the world because of Israel's actions so in world because of Israel's actions so in world because of Israel's actions so in the immediate moment make this stop the the immediate moment make this stop the the immediate moment make this stop the United States could have had a ceasefire United States could have had a ceasefire United States could have had a ceasefire a long time ago the United States could a long time ago the United States could a long time ago the United States could have ended this genocide right have ended this genocide right have ended this genocide right away the reason why this is away the reason why this is away the reason why this is continuing is because of US foreign continuing is because of US foreign continuing is because of US foreign policy and in the process of Joe Biden policy and in the process of Joe Biden policy and in the process of Joe Biden talking about managing this crisis and talking about managing this crisis and talking about managing this crisis and talking about making things better there talking about making things better there talking about making things better there have only been more bills that have come have only been more bills that have come have only been more bills that have come out of Congress in fact he's bypassed out of Congress in fact he's bypassed out of Congress in fact he's bypassed Congress to fund the Arsenal to keep Congress to fund the Arsenal to keep Congress to fund the Arsenal to keep replenishing the Arsenal stop paying for replenishing the Arsenal stop paying for replenishing the Arsenal stop paying for weapons stop paying for someone else's weapons stop paying for someone else's weapons stop paying for someone else's war crimes stop protecting another war crimes stop protecting another war crimes stop protecting another country as it commits these war crimes country as it commits these war crimes country as it commits these war crimes and if you can't be an honest peace

and if you can't be an honest peace and if you can't be an honest peace broker get out of the process so there's broker get out of the process so there's broker get out of the process so there's money that you just mentioned and bills money that you just mentioned and bills money that you just mentioned and bills and then there's rhetoric which you also and then there's rhetoric which you also and then there's rhetoric which you also criticized that he spoke about the criticized that he spoke about the criticized that he spoke about the beheaded beheaded beheaded babies and things of that nature so babies and things of that nature so babies and things of that nature so where has uh Joe Biden fallen short now where has uh Joe Biden fallen short now where has uh Joe Biden fallen short now we need another podcast that's going to we need another podcast that's going to we need another podcast that's going to take a few hours to talk about where Joe take a few hours to talk about where Joe take a few hours to talk about where Joe Biden has failed um for one the first Biden has failed um for one the first Biden has failed um for one the first time he seemed to find the word time he seemed to find the word time he seemed to find the word Palestinian in his vocabulary was when Palestinian in his vocabulary was when Palestinian in his vocabulary was when he accused the Palestinians of lying he accused the Palestinians of lying he accused the Palestinians of lying about the death toll uh in Gaza about the death toll uh in Gaza about the death toll uh in Gaza and then that turned out to also be and then that turned out to also be and then that turned out to also be false in fact the numbers that were false in fact the numbers that were false in fact the numbers that were coming out of the Gaza Health Ministry coming out of the Gaza Health Ministry coming out of the Gaza Health Ministry according to multiple International according to multiple International according to multiple International bodies have been Under reporting bodies have been Under reporting bodies have been Under reporting Palestinian casualty counts Israeli Palestinian casualty counts Israeli Palestinian casualty counts Israeli intelligence has said that the civilian intelligence has said that the civilian intelligence has said that the civilian count or the death toll is actually count or the death toll is actually count or the death toll is actually higher than what's been coming out of higher than what's been coming out of higher than what's been coming out of the Gaza Health Ministry so he's failed the Gaza Health Ministry so he's failed the Gaza Health Ministry so he's failed on that front he has failed to speak to on that front he has failed to speak to on that front he has failed to speak to Palestinian Humanity he has spoken with Palestinian Humanity he has spoken with Palestinian Humanity he has spoken with deep passion and concern as as Anthony deep passion and concern as as Anthony deep passion and concern as as Anthony blinkin about you know the devastation blinkin about you know the devastation blinkin about you know the devastation in Israel and the way that people are in Israel and the way that people are in Israel and the way that people are feeling in Israel and has shown nothing feeling in Israel and has shown nothing feeling in Israel and has shown nothing of that sort towards Palestinians we of that sort towards Palestinians we of that sort towards Palestinians we don't want the rhetoric we really don't don't want the rhetoric we really don't don't want the rhetoric we really don't want the rhetoric uh you know when want the rhetoric uh you know when want the rhetoric uh you know when people say call for a ceasefire the people say call for a ceasefire the people say call for a ceasefire the United States has had an opportunity and United States has had an opportunity and United States has had an opportunity and has an opportunity to to really walk has an opportunity to to really walk has an opportunity to to really walk back and reflect on its entire policy

back and reflect on its entire policy back and reflect on its entire policy towards Israel Palestine this is a towards Israel Palestine this is a towards Israel Palestine this is a moment of reflection this is a moment of moment of reflection this is a moment of moment of reflection this is a moment of restoration if you want it to be right restoration if you want it to be right restoration if you want it to be right and to think about what we've enabled in and to think about what we've enabled in and to think about what we've enabled in the first place he's shown absolutely no the first place he's shown absolutely no the first place he's shown absolutely no real real real empathy empathy empathy um um um and I think that he is under great and I think that he is under great and I think that he is under great delusion and thinking that um the Muslim delusion and thinking that um the Muslim delusion and thinking that um the Muslim Community Community Community or people of conscience are going to or people of conscience are going to or people of conscience are going to forgive this are going to forget this forgive this are going to forget this forgive this are going to forget this come November you can't tell us that come November you can't tell us that come November you can't tell us that well at least I don't have the Trum well at least I don't have the Trum well at least I don't have the Trum Muslim ban while also carrying out a Muslim ban while also carrying out a Muslim ban while also carrying out a genocide primarily against Muslims and genocide primarily against Muslims and genocide primarily against Muslims and think that the Muslims are still going think that the Muslims are still going think that the Muslims are still going to vote for you and so we will May him to vote for you and so we will May him to vote for you and so we will May him hear us at the polls and any hear us at the polls and any hear us at the polls and any politician uh for Congress or otherwise politician uh for Congress or otherwise politician uh for Congress or otherwise that has not called for a ceasefire that that has not called for a ceasefire that that has not called for a ceasefire that has been a part of this has been a part of this has been a part of this dehumanization we will make sure that we dehumanization we will make sure that we dehumanization we will make sure that we cease support for them in any way as a cease support for them in any way as a cease support for them in any way as a community it's only right so Biden has community it's only right so Biden has community it's only right so Biden has lost or is losing the hearts and the lost or is losing the hearts and the lost or is losing the hearts and the support of the support of the support of the Muslim Palestinian people and the uh Muslim Palestinian people and the uh Muslim Palestinian people and the uh Muslim people in America I don't know if Muslim people in America I don't know if Muslim people in America I don't know if you ever had the hearts of the Muslim you ever had the hearts of the Muslim you ever had the hearts of the Muslim Community be honest with you I mean I Community be honest with you I mean I Community be honest with you I mean I personally was never a Joe Biden fan I personally was never a Joe Biden fan I personally was never a Joe Biden fan I think a lot of people felt the same you think a lot of people felt the same you think a lot of people felt the same you know this country unfortunately leads to know this country unfortunately leads to know this country unfortunately leads to the uh the way that our political system the uh the way that our political system the uh the way that our political system is built is that you're always voting is built is that you're always voting is built is that you're always voting for the lesser of the two evils that's for the lesser of the two evils that's for the lesser of the two evils that's always the way that is it's analyzing always the way that is it's analyzing always the way that is it's analyzing which evil is lesser right and when

which evil is lesser right and when which evil is lesser right and when people say if you vote for Donald Trump people say if you vote for Donald Trump people say if you vote for Donald Trump and I'm not planning to vote for Donald and I'm not planning to vote for Donald and I'm not planning to vote for Donald Trump either but if you don't vote for Trump either but if you don't vote for Trump either but if you don't vote for Joe Biden right if you don't vote for Jo Joe Biden right if you don't vote for Jo Joe Biden right if you don't vote for Jo Joe Biden right then you are destroying Joe Biden right then you are destroying Joe Biden right then you are destroying democracy I'm like a democracy that's democracy I'm like a democracy that's democracy I'm like a democracy that's given us a choice between Donald Trump given us a choice between Donald Trump given us a choice between Donald Trump and Joe Biden is already a failed and Joe Biden is already a failed and Joe Biden is already a failed democracy and so he he never had the democracy and so he he never had the democracy and so he he never had the hearts and minds of the Muslim Community hearts and minds of the Muslim Community hearts and minds of the Muslim Community uh people always saw past his rhetoric uh people always saw past his rhetoric uh people always saw past his rhetoric he always has had a terrible disposition he always has had a terrible disposition he always has had a terrible disposition towards Palestine he's always had a towards Palestine he's always had a towards Palestine he's always had a terrible disposition towards the Muslim terrible disposition towards the Muslim terrible disposition towards the Muslim World um you know his his segregationist World um you know his his segregationist World um you know his his segregationist past comes out sometimes when he starts past comes out sometimes when he starts past comes out sometimes when he starts talking about the Muslim world and and talking about the Muslim world and and talking about the Muslim world and and you can hear the racism in his voice and you can hear the racism in his voice and you can hear the racism in his voice and you can hear the way that he talks about you can hear the way that he talks about you can hear the way that he talks about uh Palestinian life um in such devalued uh Palestinian life um in such devalued uh Palestinian life um in such devalued fashion so he lost us uh a long time ago fashion so he lost us uh a long time ago fashion so he lost us uh a long time ago but he's definitely not getting us back but he's definitely not getting us back but he's definitely not getting us back after this in any way and I can't speak after this in any way and I can't speak after this in any way and I can't speak for all Muslims but for all Muslims but for all Muslims but I think that come I think that come I think that come November uh he and all of those November uh he and all of those November uh he and all of those politicians especially in swing states politicians especially in swing states politicians especially in swing states that have turned their backs on the that have turned their backs on the that have turned their backs on the Muslim Community and not just the Muslim Muslim Community and not just the Muslim Muslim Community and not just the Muslim Community by the way 67% of this country Community by the way 67% of this country Community by the way 67% of this country wants a ceasefire three4 of democratic wants a ceasefire three4 of democratic wants a ceasefire three4 of democratic voters want a ceasefire half of voters want a ceasefire half of voters want a ceasefire half of Republican voters want a ceasefire right Republican voters want a ceasefire right Republican voters want a ceasefire right it's not just the Muslim Community this it's not just the Muslim Community this it's not just the Muslim Community this is not some radical opinion to call for is not some radical opinion to call for is not some radical opinion to call for a ceasefire and every single politician a ceasefire and every single politician a ceasefire and every single politician that has refused to hear us is going to that has refused to hear us is going to that has refused to hear us is going to pay a price at the polls as they should

pay a price at the polls as they should pay a price at the polls as they should that doesn't mean that we're under any that doesn't mean that we're under any that doesn't mean that we're under any illusion that the other side promises us illusion that the other side promises us illusion that the other side promises us anything better in fact it it s it feels anything better in fact it it s it feels anything better in fact it it s it feels like Republicans have simply rushed to like Republicans have simply rushed to like Republicans have simply rushed to out rist the Democrats to outpace them out rist the Democrats to outpace them out rist the Democrats to outpace them in terms of talking about how they're in terms of talking about how they're in terms of talking about how they're going to be more Unapologetic in going to be more Unapologetic in going to be more Unapologetic in supporting Israel unconditionally right supporting Israel unconditionally right supporting Israel unconditionally right like it's it's been like it's it's been like it's it's been pathetic um but something has to change pathetic um but something has to change pathetic um but something has to change and I think that Americans of and I think that Americans of and I think that Americans of conscience have to look at how this conscience have to look at how this conscience have to look at how this failed political system has hurt people failed political system has hurt people failed political system has hurt people here and abroad and talk about how to here and abroad and talk about how to here and abroad and talk about how to transcend that with just more Humanity transcend that with just more Humanity transcend that with just more Humanity again when you have 67% of the American again when you have 67% of the American again when you have 67% of the American public that wants a ceasefire but only a public that wants a ceasefire but only a public that wants a ceasefire but only a handful of congressmen out of over 500 handful of congressmen out of over 500 handful of congressmen out of over 500 can muster up the courage in the face of can muster up the courage in the face of can muster up the courage in the face of these super packs to say that you know these super packs to say that you know these super packs to say that you know uh we should stop the genocide right and uh we should stop the genocide right and uh we should stop the genocide right and and is like what are you asking for here and is like what are you asking for here and is like what are you asking for here you're asking for the genocide to stop you're asking for the genocide to stop you're asking for the genocide to stop you're asking for Israeli hostages to be you're asking for Israeli hostages to be you're asking for Israeli hostages to be brought home you're asking for brought home you're asking for brought home you're asking for Palestinian prisoners to be released Palestinian prisoners to be released Palestinian prisoners to be released you're asking for peace and to start you're asking for peace and to start you're asking for peace and to start carving the path out to end this once carving the path out to end this once carving the path out to end this once and for all right in the most ambiguous and for all right in the most ambiguous and for all right in the most ambiguous way possible by the way because there way possible by the way because there way possible by the way because there aren't many radical American politicians aren't many radical American politicians aren't many radical American politicians all right it's it's the way that the all right it's it's the way that the all right it's it's the way that the system is in the most ambiguous be way system is in the most ambiguous be way system is in the most ambiguous be way possible and you can't even bring possible and you can't even bring possible and you can't even bring yourself to do that this is already a yourself to do that this is already a yourself to do that this is already a failed democracy then all the while failed democracy then all the while failed democracy then all the while again you know it always boggles my mind

again you know it always boggles my mind again you know it always boggles my mind if you're from the America First crew if you're from the America First crew if you're from the America First crew what's America First about uh funling what's America First about uh funling what's America First about uh funling billions and billions and billions of billions and billions and billions of billions and billions and billions of dollars to Israel while it carries out dollars to Israel while it carries out dollars to Israel while it carries out this genocide while people are starving this genocide while people are starving this genocide while people are starving here and if you're part of the human here and if you're part of the human here and if you're part of the human rights crew and you know Progressive rights crew and you know Progressive rights crew and you know Progressive crew it's you know they have a term crew it's you know they have a term crew it's you know they have a term called Progressive except Palestine called Progressive except Palestine called Progressive except Palestine right P Progressive except Palestine right P Progressive except Palestine right P Progressive except Palestine where are all your Notions of social where are all your Notions of social where are all your Notions of social justice you talk about policing here but justice you talk about policing here but justice you talk about policing here but you don't talk about who trains our you don't talk about who trains our you don't talk about who trains our police departments in many major cities police departments in many major cities police departments in many major cities and the type of brutality that's being and the type of brutality that's being and the type of brutality that's being carried out there you talk about human carried out there you talk about human carried out there you talk about human rights at the border here but you don't rights at the border here but you don't rights at the border here but you don't talk about the assault on people at the talk about the assault on people at the talk about the assault on people at the border there you talk about all of these border there you talk about all of these border there you talk about all of these things here but you somehow use the things here but you somehow use the things here but you somehow use the exact same framings against the people exact same framings against the people exact same framings against the people there so it's it's exposed I think the there so it's it's exposed I think the there so it's it's exposed I think the moral moral moral bankruptcy of both political Polar bankruptcy of both political Polar bankruptcy of both political Polar Opposites that exist in this country Opposites that exist in this country Opposites that exist in this country right now right now right now and and and hopefully evoked a greater societal hopefully evoked a greater societal hopefully evoked a greater societal sentiment to say this is sentiment to say this is sentiment to say this is ridiculous you know one of the things ridiculous you know one of the things ridiculous you know one of the things that is happening is that more people that is happening is that more people that is happening is that more people are getting their news outside of Legacy are getting their news outside of Legacy are getting their news outside of Legacy Media Media Media Outlets you can't hide that many dead Outlets you can't hide that many dead Outlets you can't hide that many dead babies anymore you just can't more babies anymore you just can't more babies anymore you just can't more people have woken up to the Palestinian people have woken up to the Palestinian people have woken up to the Palestinian plight now than ever before more people plight now than ever before more people plight now than ever before more people are outraged that this has been been our are outraged that this has been been our are outraged that this has been been our American foreign policy all throughout American foreign policy all throughout American foreign policy all throughout you know uh Democratic and Republican you know uh Democratic and Republican you know uh Democratic and Republican administrations this is what we've been

administrations this is what we've been administrations this is what we've been paying for this is what we've been paying for this is what we've been paying for this is what we've been excusing and Israeli leaders literally excusing and Israeli leaders literally excusing and Israeli leaders literally spit in the faces of whoever the spit in the faces of whoever the spit in the faces of whoever the American president is and says yeah we American president is and says yeah we American president is and says yeah we don't care what they tell us to do you don't care what they tell us to do you don't care what they tell us to do you know American leadership says we're know American leadership says we're know American leadership says we're pushing Israel to minimize the the pushing Israel to minimize the the pushing Israel to minimize the the casualties to to get less indiscriminate casualties to to get less indiscriminate casualties to to get less indiscriminate with its bombing to manage the crisis with its bombing to manage the crisis with its bombing to manage the crisis get a few more humanitarian corridors in get a few more humanitarian corridors in get a few more humanitarian corridors in to make make sure that that Gaza is not to make make sure that that Gaza is not to make make sure that that Gaza is not evacuated and not ethnically cleansed to evacuated and not ethnically cleansed to evacuated and not ethnically cleansed to make sure Palestinians can come back and make sure Palestinians can come back and make sure Palestinians can come back and Netanyahu comes on TV and says from The Netanyahu comes on TV and says from The Netanyahu comes on TV and says from The River To The Sea how ironic is that from River To The Sea how ironic is that from River To The Sea how ironic is that from The River To The Sea and that is his The River To The Sea and that is his The River To The Sea and that is his policy we're going to make sure that policy we're going to make sure that policy we're going to make sure that Israel controls from The River To The Israel controls from The River To The Israel controls from The River To The Sea and we're going to push Palestinians Sea and we're going to push Palestinians Sea and we're going to push Palestinians into sin and Muslim countries need to into sin and Muslim countries need to into sin and Muslim countries need to take them in you have Israeli ministers take them in you have Israeli ministers take them in you have Israeli ministers National Defense ministers saying you National Defense ministers saying you National Defense ministers saying you know things openly right like we want to know things openly right like we want to know things openly right like we want to thin out the population I.E ethnic thin out the population I.E ethnic thin out the population I.E ethnic cleansing we want to remove people and cleansing we want to remove people and cleansing we want to remove people and the Muslim world needs to step up and the Muslim world needs to step up and the Muslim world needs to step up and take in these refugees right and the take in these refugees right and the take in these refugees right and the American Administration you know or the American Administration you know or the American Administration you know or the American president says an American American president says an American American president says an American Secretary of State says you know we're Secretary of State says you know we're Secretary of State says you know we're talking to them and we're making sure talking to them and we're making sure talking to them and we're making sure that that's not going to happen and if that that's not going to happen and if that that's not going to happen and if one of their ministers says something one of their ministers says something one of their ministers says something blinkin maybe tweets out something about blinkin maybe tweets out something about blinkin maybe tweets out something about how that's not going to happen but then how that's not going to happen but then how that's not going to happen but then it happens anyway and then we still it happens anyway and then we still it happens anyway and then we still write them the write them the write them the so I think most of the American public so I think most of the American public so I think most of the American public is probably going to get sick of this at is probably going to get sick of this at is probably going to get sick of this at some point just people of decency and

some point just people of decency and some point just people of decency and people of conscience are going to say people of conscience are going to say people of conscience are going to say yeah this is not something we want to be yeah this is not something we want to be yeah this is not something we want to be a part of anymore do you think there's a part of anymore do you think there's a part of anymore do you think there's something that Donald Trump can something that Donald Trump can something that Donald Trump can do to help move this in the right do to help move this in the right do to help move this in the right direction Trump's first words were about direction Trump's first words were about direction Trump's first words were about how he's going to be worse uh on this how he's going to be worse uh on this how he's going to be worse uh on this right so he talked about how he's going right so he talked about how he's going right so he talked about how he's going to deport people uh revoke visas of uh to deport people uh revoke visas of uh to deport people uh revoke visas of uh you know students that are part of these you know students that are part of these you know students that are part of these Pro Palestinian rallies also the focus Pro Palestinian rallies also the focus Pro Palestinian rallies also the focus was on the rallies versus what's going was on the rallies versus what's going was on the rallies versus what's going on abroad yeah but look we had a Donald on abroad yeah but look we had a Donald on abroad yeah but look we had a Donald Trump presidency he moved the embassy to Trump presidency he moved the embassy to Trump presidency he moved the embassy to Jerusalem he was not better on this uh Jerusalem he was not better on this uh Jerusalem he was not better on this uh unfortunately this is a bipartisan unfortunately this is a bipartisan unfortunately this is a bipartisan problem and so again we're under No problem and so again we're under No problem and so again we're under No Illusion here like we're not looking to Illusion here like we're not looking to Illusion here like we're not looking to Donald Trump as a savior here but we are Donald Trump as a savior here but we are Donald Trump as a savior here but we are going to penalize Joe Biden and that's going to penalize Joe Biden and that's going to penalize Joe Biden and that's you know I can't speak for everybody but you know I can't speak for everybody but you know I can't speak for everybody but I think that that's where a lot of our I think that that's where a lot of our I think that that's where a lot of our minds are at right minds are at right minds are at right now you spoke at the November 4th now you spoke at the November 4th now you spoke at the November 4th demonstration in Washington called the demonstration in Washington called the demonstration in Washington called the free Palestine free Palestine free Palestine March it had a lot of people several March it had a lot of people several March it had a lot of people several hundred thousand people there what do hundred thousand people there what do hundred thousand people there what do you remember from that experience well you remember from that experience well you remember from that experience well the first thing I remember is that there the first thing I remember is that there the first thing I remember is that there was no news coverage of it so 400,000 was no news coverage of it so 400,000 was no news coverage of it so 400,000 people march on DC one of the largest people march on DC one of the largest people march on DC one of the largest marches in history it was nowhere to be marches in history it was nowhere to be marches in history it was nowhere to be found in mainstream media coverage found in mainstream media coverage found in mainstream media coverage whereas when the stand with Israel rally whereas when the stand with Israel rally whereas when the stand with Israel rally happened between the 300,000 strong happened between the 300,000 strong happened between the 300,000 strong Palestine rally and the 400,000 strong Palestine rally and the 400,000 strong Palestine rally and the 400,000 strong Palestine rally there was a stand with

Palestine rally there was a stand with Palestine rally there was a stand with Israel rally where Congress men were Israel rally where Congress men were Israel rally where Congress men were were bust uh from Congress to speak at were bust uh from Congress to speak at were bust uh from Congress to speak at that rally uh Democrats and Republicans that rally uh Democrats and Republicans that rally uh Democrats and Republicans and high profile celebrities and it was and high profile celebrities and it was and high profile celebrities and it was you know live streamed uh across you know live streamed uh across you know live streamed uh across multiple places I mean I have to say multiple places I mean I have to say multiple places I mean I have to say this the this the this the icj if that wasn't the greatest display icj if that wasn't the greatest display icj if that wasn't the greatest display of media bias of media bias of media bias in in in the domain of United States in in in the domain of United States in in in the domain of United States mainstream media then I don't know what mainstream media then I don't know what mainstream media then I don't know what is they live streamed the Israeli is they live streamed the Israeli is they live streamed the Israeli defense on multiple an news defense on multiple an news defense on multiple an news outlets defending itself against the outlets defending itself against the outlets defending itself against the case for genocide and completely omitted case for genocide and completely omitted case for genocide and completely omitted the South the South the South African presentation of the crimes of African presentation of the crimes of African presentation of the crimes of Israel the day before so what I remember Israel the day before so what I remember Israel the day before so what I remember first in foremost about the protests is first in foremost about the protests is first in foremost about the protests is that they were nowhere to be found on that they were nowhere to be found on that they were nowhere to be found on mainstream media which was expected but mainstream media which was expected but mainstream media which was expected but what I also remember from the actual day what I also remember from the actual day what I also remember from the actual day of and from all of the pro Palestine of and from all of the pro Palestine of and from all of the pro Palestine rallies is that I have never seen a more rallies is that I have never seen a more rallies is that I have never seen a more multifaith more diverse group of people multifaith more diverse group of people multifaith more diverse group of people consistently coming out for Palestine consistently coming out for Palestine consistently coming out for Palestine against the genocide in Gaza that I have against the genocide in Gaza that I have against the genocide in Gaza that I have this time around and I think that has this time around and I think that has this time around and I think that has been the experience all around there has been the experience all around there has been the experience all around there has been a pronounced Jewish presence Jewish been a pronounced Jewish presence Jewish been a pronounced Jewish presence Jewish voice for peace if not now other voice for peace if not now other voice for peace if not now other anti-zionist Jewish groups groups that anti-zionist Jewish groups groups that anti-zionist Jewish groups groups that are against the genocide against the are against the genocide against the are against the genocide against the occupation former Israeli soldiers even occupation former Israeli soldiers even occupation former Israeli soldiers even um you know that have been showing up at um you know that have been showing up at um you know that have been showing up at these protests there has been a these protests there has been a these protests there has been a pronounced presence um uh from Native

pronounced presence um uh from Native pronounced presence um uh from Native American groups indigenous groups all American groups indigenous groups all American groups indigenous groups all across the board right Christians Jews across the board right Christians Jews across the board right Christians Jews Muslims I've never seen more diversity Muslims I've never seen more diversity Muslims I've never seen more diversity at these rallies than I've seen this at these rallies than I've seen this at these rallies than I've seen this time around which I think is a sign of time around which I think is a sign of time around which I think is a sign of where things are going and if you look where things are going and if you look where things are going and if you look at the under 35 opinion polls it's very at the under 35 opinion polls it's very at the under 35 opinion polls it's very clear that there's a generational Gap clear that there's a generational Gap clear that there's a generational Gap here here that the country is moving here here that the country is moving here here that the country is moving into uh a more coherent Direction and into uh a more coherent Direction and into uh a more coherent Direction and understanding what has been happening understanding what has been happening understanding what has been happening over there and people from all over there and people from all over there and people from all backgrounds are standing up to it now backgrounds are standing up to it now backgrounds are standing up to it now what do you think about the protest on what do you think about the protest on what do you think about the protest on campus against Israel every protest I've campus against Israel every protest I've campus against Israel every protest I've been been been to has had the exact same tender has had to has had the exact same tender has had to has had the exact same tender has had the exact same messaging but you always the exact same messaging but you always the exact same messaging but you always have that idiot or two that shows up have that idiot or two that shows up have that idiot or two that shows up with a sign with a sign with a sign and no one knows who that idiot is and no one knows who that idiot is and no one knows who that idiot is ironically never comes with anybody else ironically never comes with anybody else ironically never comes with anybody else always shows up somehow in the middle of always shows up somehow in the middle of always shows up somehow in the middle of the protest and puts up a sign that says the protest and puts up a sign that says the protest and puts up a sign that says something completely contrary to the something completely contrary to the something completely contrary to the messaging of the protest and and all the messaging of the protest and and all the messaging of the protest and and all the cameras shift towards that guy I see it cameras shift towards that guy I see it cameras shift towards that guy I see it every single time but the every single time but the every single time but the overwhelming tenor of all of these overwhelming tenor of all of these overwhelming tenor of all of these protests has been consistent it's been protests has been consistent it's been protests has been consistent it's been calling for Freedom it's been calling calling for Freedom it's been calling calling for Freedom it's been calling for Liberation it's been calling for an for Liberation it's been calling for an for Liberation it's been calling for an end to the to the genocide a ceasefire end to the to the genocide a ceasefire end to the to the genocide a ceasefire and end to the occupation and end to the and end to the occupation and end to the and end to the occupation and end to the apartheid I will tell you what many apartheid I will tell you what many apartheid I will tell you what many people are not seeing Columbia people are not seeing Columbia people are not seeing Columbia University to IDF soldiers former IDF

University to IDF soldiers former IDF University to IDF soldiers former IDF soldiers spraying Palestinian protesters soldiers spraying Palestinian protesters soldiers spraying Palestinian protesters with skunk water which is what the IDF with skunk water which is what the IDF with skunk water which is what the IDF uses on Palestinian protesters and uses on Palestinian protesters and uses on Palestinian protesters and sometimes on worshippers on their way to sometimes on worshippers on their way to sometimes on worshippers on their way to ma ma ma AA uh which has multiple uh Health AA uh which has multiple uh Health AA uh which has multiple uh Health repercussions repercussions repercussions and so I was reading about how one of and so I was reading about how one of and so I was reading about how one of the students that was sprayed on campus the students that was sprayed on campus the students that was sprayed on campus at Columbia Palestinian at Columbia Palestinian at Columbia Palestinian student you know has showered at this student you know has showered at this student you know has showered at this point of us doing this podcast 11 times point of us doing this podcast 11 times point of us doing this podcast 11 times cannot get the smell out of her has cannot get the smell out of her has cannot get the smell out of her has suffered all sorts of health issues as a suffered all sorts of health issues as a suffered all sorts of health issues as a result of being sprayed again people are result of being sprayed again people are result of being sprayed again people are not seeing the other side here people not seeing the other side here people not seeing the other side here people are not seeing what we've had to deal are not seeing what we've had to deal are not seeing what we've had to deal with at these protests right the open with at these protests right the open with at these protests right the open bigotry and I want you to think about bigotry and I want you to think about bigotry and I want you to think about this by the way people go and serve in this by the way people go and serve in this by the way people go and serve in the IDF and then come back to the United the IDF and then come back to the United the IDF and then come back to the United States or the United Kingdom and they're States or the United Kingdom and they're States or the United Kingdom and they're not stigmatized for participating in not stigmatized for participating in not stigmatized for participating in apartheid policies or participating in a apartheid policies or participating in a apartheid policies or participating in a genocide how am I supposed to feel as a genocide how am I supposed to feel as a genocide how am I supposed to feel as a Palestinian knowing that this guy right Palestinian knowing that this guy right Palestinian knowing that this guy right next to me participated in murdering my next to me participated in murdering my next to me participated in murdering my relatives in Gaza right and has open relatives in Gaza right and has open relatives in Gaza right and has open Reign to say what he wants to say or do Reign to say what he wants to say or do Reign to say what he wants to say or do what he wants to do and so we haven't what he wants to do and so we haven't what he wants to do and so we haven't seen the other side of that as well but seen the other side of that as well but seen the other side of that as well but i' I'd recommend to anyone that's uh i' I'd recommend to anyone that's uh i' I'd recommend to anyone that's uh talking about you know Pro Palestine talking about you know Pro Palestine talking about you know Pro Palestine protest to actually go see one if you go protest to actually go see one if you go protest to actually go see one if you go to the protests you listen to what's to the protests you listen to what's to the protests you listen to what's being said you don't just capture I mean

being said you don't just capture I mean being said you don't just capture I mean you got 400,000 people uh don't just go you got 400,000 people uh don't just go you got 400,000 people uh don't just go try to find you're going to find four try to find you're going to find four try to find you're going to find four stupid people at 400 at a protest of stupid people at 400 at a protest of stupid people at 400 at a protest of 400,000 people right because the protest 400,000 people right because the protest 400,000 people right because the protest scene is always messy but I think that scene is always messy but I think that scene is always messy but I think that this is um a sign of the this is um a sign of the this is um a sign of the outrage and the anger and the outrage and the anger and the outrage and the anger and the frustration that many students have frustration that many students have frustration that many students have about being silenced again in the media about being silenced again in the media about being silenced again in the media and academic settings um professors are and academic settings um professors are and academic settings um professors are losing their jobs students are having losing their jobs students are having losing their jobs students are having their faces put on trucks being doxed uh their faces put on trucks being doxed uh their faces put on trucks being doxed uh the Shady watch lists that get put out the Shady watch lists that get put out the Shady watch lists that get put out I'm on a few of them as well and I just I'm on a few of them as well and I just I'm on a few of them as well and I just don't care anymore right but you got don't care anymore right but you got don't care anymore right but you got these Shady watch lists people are these Shady watch lists people are these Shady watch lists people are losing their uh their jobs at law losing their uh their jobs at law losing their uh their jobs at law firms uh they're losing all of their firms uh they're losing all of their firms uh they're losing all of their future opportuni these young Palestinian future opportuni these young Palestinian future opportuni these young Palestinian students because of something that they students because of something that they students because of something that they they tweeted that's being taken out of they tweeted that's being taken out of they tweeted that's being taken out of context 10 years ago right when they context 10 years ago right when they context 10 years ago right when they were 17 years old it's ridiculous and so were 17 years old it's ridiculous and so were 17 years old it's ridiculous and so I think that um you know we have to we I think that um you know we have to we I think that um you know we have to we have to listen to the overwhelming have to listen to the overwhelming have to listen to the overwhelming majority of voices of people that are majority of voices of people that are majority of voices of people that are demonstrating for justice not demonstrating for justice not demonstrating for justice not demonstrating against anyone but demonstrating against anyone but demonstrating against anyone but demonstrating for people uh again demonstrating for people uh again demonstrating for people uh again there's a large pronounced Jewish there's a large pronounced Jewish there's a large pronounced Jewish presence at every single Pro Palestine presence at every single Pro Palestine presence at every single Pro Palestine March in fact if you look at uh the March in fact if you look at uh the March in fact if you look at uh the organizations the groups that have taken organizations the groups that have taken organizations the groups that have taken over uh Capitol Hill and and you know over uh Capitol Hill and and you know over uh Capitol Hill and and you know train stations it's been if not now not

train stations it's been if not now not train stations it's been if not now not not in our name never again means for not in our name never again means for not in our name never again means for anyone right it's been Jewish groups anyone right it's been Jewish groups anyone right it's been Jewish groups many Jewish anti-occupation groups that many Jewish anti-occupation groups that many Jewish anti-occupation groups that have been at the Forefront and I think have been at the Forefront and I think have been at the Forefront and I think that that's where we have to pay that that's where we have to pay that that's where we have to pay attention to the beauty of how diverse attention to the beauty of how diverse attention to the beauty of how diverse this movement or free Palestine has this movement or free Palestine has this movement or free Palestine has actually been so the average sentiment actually been so the average sentiment actually been so the average sentiment is is is anti-occupation not anti-occupation not anti-occupation not anti-semitic it's incredibly lazy anti-semitic it's incredibly lazy anti-semitic it's incredibly lazy incredibly lazy to say that anti-zionism incredibly lazy to say that anti-zionism incredibly lazy to say that anti-zionism or that anti-occupation is anti-Semitic or that anti-occupation is anti-Semitic or that anti-occupation is anti-Semitic first and foremost the Palestinians are first and foremost the Palestinians are first and foremost the Palestinians are a Semitic people that's number one a Semitic people that's number one a Semitic people that's number one number two number two number two um look I'm proud of my community my um look I'm proud of my community my um look I'm proud of my community my community has stood against community has stood against community has stood against anti-Semitism in this country the Muslim anti-Semitism in this country the Muslim anti-Semitism in this country the Muslim Community has been at the Forefront of Community has been at the Forefront of Community has been at the Forefront of condemning anti-Semitism we have stood condemning anti-Semitism we have stood condemning anti-Semitism we have stood in front of synagogues we have stood in front of synagogues we have stood in front of synagogues we have stood with the Jewish Community when the with the Jewish Community when the with the Jewish Community when the Jewish Community is attacked this is Jewish Community is attacked this is Jewish Community is attacked this is about occupation this is a story of a about occupation this is a story of a about occupation this is a story of a colonial entity that has driven us out colonial entity that has driven us out colonial entity that has driven us out of our homes and has done so in such a of our homes and has done so in such a of our homes and has done so in such a way that has forced us to try to be the way that has forced us to try to be the way that has forced us to try to be the voice of a people that are being voice of a people that are being voice of a people that are being exterminated overseas right now this is exterminated overseas right now this is exterminated overseas right now this is not an anti-Semitic movement this is a not an anti-Semitic movement this is a not an anti-Semitic movement this is a pro Freedom Movement do you think the pro Freedom Movement do you think the pro Freedom Movement do you think the protests ever go to too far the protest protests ever go to too far the protest protests ever go to too far the protest scene is a messy scene and so again scene is a messy scene and so again scene is a messy scene and so again you're going to have sometimes that odd you're going to have sometimes that odd you're going to have sometimes that odd speaker or people get carried away in

speaker or people get carried away in speaker or people get carried away in their emotions and yes sometimes people their emotions and yes sometimes people their emotions and yes sometimes people chant things or do things that are chant things or do things that are chant things or do things that are contrary to the protests it's pretty contrary to the protests it's pretty contrary to the protests it's pretty unfair when you judge the entire protest unfair when you judge the entire protest unfair when you judge the entire protest Movement by some of these incidents that Movement by some of these incidents that Movement by some of these incidents that have happened at protests and you don't have happened at protests and you don't have happened at protests and you don't pay attention to what they're protesting pay attention to what they're protesting pay attention to what they're protesting about in the first place which is a about in the first place which is a about in the first place which is a genocide right now everything is genocide right now everything is genocide right now everything is secondary to ending a genocide that is secondary to ending a genocide that is secondary to ending a genocide that is ongoing in the course of this ongoing in the course of this ongoing in the course of this discussion it's not an exaggeration to discussion it's not an exaggeration to discussion it's not an exaggeration to say that at least 30 40 people would say that at least 30 40 people would say that at least 30 40 people would have been killed just over the last few have been killed just over the last few have been killed just over the last few hours because we're averaging 135 to 150 hours because we're averaging 135 to 150 hours because we're averaging 135 to 150 a day a day a day so everything else is secondary to that so everything else is secondary to that so everything else is secondary to that this is where we all need to be right this is where we all need to be right this is where we all need to be right now as people of conscience how do we now as people of conscience how do we now as people of conscience how do we stop this because every single day is stop this because every single day is stop this because every single day is deeply costly do you think there has deeply costly do you think there has deeply costly do you think there has been a rise of anti-Semitism and been a rise of anti-Semitism and been a rise of anti-Semitism and anti-muslim hate in the US yeah I think anti-muslim hate in the US yeah I think anti-muslim hate in the US yeah I think that's factual look anti-Semitism is that's factual look anti-Semitism is that's factual look anti-Semitism is always to be condemned it's wrong it's always to be condemned it's wrong it's always to be condemned it's wrong it's uh something that as a Muslim Community uh something that as a Muslim Community uh something that as a Muslim Community and as people of conscience we have and as people of conscience we have and as people of conscience we have always taken a stand against Jewish always taken a stand against Jewish always taken a stand against Jewish people should not be attacked for being people should not be attacked for being people should not be attacked for being Jewish people here or anywhere else Jewish people here or anywhere else Jewish people here or anywhere else synagogue should be protected and if a synagogue should be protected and if a synagogue should be protected and if a person is attacked for being Jewish uh person is attacked for being Jewish uh person is attacked for being Jewish uh we will be the first to go and to stand we will be the first to go and to stand we will be the first to go and to stand with them and to reject uh that attack with them and to reject uh that attack with them and to reject uh that attack on them um and there has been as I said on them um and there has been as I said on them um and there has been as I said an inspiring pronounced Jewish presence

an inspiring pronounced Jewish presence an inspiring pronounced Jewish presence in the movement to end the in the movement to end the in the movement to end the occupation and so we're being morally occupation and so we're being morally occupation and so we're being morally consistent here as far as the rise in consistent here as far as the rise in consistent here as far as the rise in islamophobia it is felt it's islamophobia it is felt it's islamophobia it is felt it's underreported and it is underreported and it is underreported and it is uh you know part of the same uh you know part of the same uh you know part of the same framing that has led to the devastation framing that has led to the devastation framing that has led to the devastation of our people overseas so there's a rise of our people overseas so there's a rise of our people overseas so there's a rise in islamophobia there's a rise in in islamophobia there's a rise in in islamophobia there's a rise in anti-Semitism there's a rise in hatred anti-Semitism there's a rise in hatred anti-Semitism there's a rise in hatred all of that is true but there's also an all of that is true but there's also an all of that is true but there's also an ongoing genocide and that should be our ongoing genocide and that should be our ongoing genocide and that should be our priority right now priority right now priority right now T I think we spoke last time about a T I think we spoke last time about a T I think we spoke last time about a year year year ago how is your view on um Benjamin ago how is your view on um Benjamin ago how is your view on um Benjamin Netanyahu evolve over time Benjamin Netanyahu evolve over time Benjamin Netanyahu evolve over time Benjamin Netanyahu has committed himself to the Netanyahu has committed himself to the Netanyahu has committed himself to the Eraser of Palestinian people and Eraser of Palestinian people and Eraser of Palestinian people and Palestinian symbols and Palestinian Land Palestinian symbols and Palestinian Land Palestinian symbols and Palestinian Land from the very beginning of his political from the very beginning of his political from the very beginning of his political career this is who he has been we just career this is who he has been we just career this is who he has been we just haven't been listening to him he haven't been listening to him he haven't been listening to him he campaigned on bigotry and racism and on campaigned on bigotry and racism and on campaigned on bigotry and racism and on the promise that there would never be a the promise that there would never be a the promise that there would never be a Palestinian State he campaigned on the Palestinian State he campaigned on the Palestinian State he campaigned on the promise that Gaza would be wiped out he promise that Gaza would be wiped out he promise that Gaza would be wiped out he campaigned by saying the Arabs are campaigned by saying the Arabs are campaigned by saying the Arabs are rushing to the polls we need to make rushing to the polls we need to make rushing to the polls we need to make sure that they don't infect our policy sure that they don't infect our policy sure that they don't infect our policy he has always been this person this has he has always been this person this has he has always been this person this has always been his policy he has always always been his policy he has always always been his policy he has always indicated that genocide and ethnic indicated that genocide and ethnic indicated that genocide and ethnic cleansing is where he wants to go so uh

cleansing is where he wants to go so uh cleansing is where he wants to go so uh he's simply manifesting what his message he's simply manifesting what his message he's simply manifesting what his message has always been and anyone that ignores has always been and anyone that ignores has always been and anyone that ignores that is being disingenuous you can find that is being disingenuous you can find that is being disingenuous you can find statements from Benjamin Netanyahu in statements from Benjamin Netanyahu in statements from Benjamin Netanyahu in the80s 0s 90s 2000s you can find him the80s 0s 90s 2000s you can find him the80s 0s 90s 2000s you can find him talking about this prior to October 7th talking about this prior to October 7th talking about this prior to October 7th and after October 7th he's definitely and after October 7th he's definitely and after October 7th he's definitely doing this now to save his political doing this now to save his political doing this now to save his political career I think he wants to drive this as career I think he wants to drive this as career I think he wants to drive this as long as he possibly can because he knows long as he possibly can because he knows long as he possibly can because he knows that his days in office are numbered but that his days in office are numbered but that his days in office are numbered but let's also ask let's also ask let's also ask ourselves why is it that Benjamin ourselves why is it that Benjamin ourselves why is it that Benjamin Netanyahu was able to rise to power in Netanyahu was able to rise to power in Netanyahu was able to rise to power in the first place right there is something the first place right there is something the first place right there is something deeply troubling about the fact that his deeply troubling about the fact that his deeply troubling about the fact that his messaging ever resonated messaging ever resonated messaging ever resonated and what the prospects are uh for for and what the prospects are uh for for and what the prospects are uh for for peace if Benjamin Netanyahu is able to peace if Benjamin Netanyahu is able to peace if Benjamin Netanyahu is able to rise with such pronounced hateful rise with such pronounced hateful rise with such pronounced hateful messaging so the claim that security of messaging so the claim that security of messaging so the claim that security of Israel is the primary concern is you're Israel is the primary concern is you're Israel is the primary concern is you're saying a um dishonest claim I think he's saying a um dishonest claim I think he's saying a um dishonest claim I think he's trying to secure his seat in office he trying to secure his seat in office he trying to secure his seat in office he knows his days are numbered this is not knows his days are numbered this is not knows his days are numbered this is not about Israel this isn't about the about Israel this isn't about the about Israel this isn't about the hostages for him this isn't about hostages for him this isn't about hostages for him this isn't about anything but Benjamin Netanyahu he is is anything but Benjamin Netanyahu he is is anything but Benjamin Netanyahu he is is a narcissist he's a tyrant um he is a narcissist he's a tyrant um he is a narcissist he's a tyrant um he is despised uh around the world and uh I despised uh around the world and uh I despised uh around the world and uh I think even amongst Israelis uh I think think even amongst Israelis uh I think think even amongst Israelis uh I think there's a deatri for him I think the there's a deatri for him I think the there's a deatri for him I think the hostages families know that he doesn't hostages families know that he doesn't hostages families know that he doesn't care about the families uh or about the care about the families uh or about the care about the families uh or about the hostages but he's driving a political

hostages but he's driving a political hostages but he's driving a political agenda that doesn't care about people um agenda that doesn't care about people um agenda that doesn't care about people um not Palestinian people or otherwise not Palestinian people or otherwise not Palestinian people or otherwise however the problem of the occupation is however the problem of the occupation is however the problem of the occupation is not Benjamin Netanyahu the problem of not Benjamin Netanyahu the problem of not Benjamin Netanyahu the problem of the occupation is the occupation uh y the occupation is the occupation uh y the occupation is the occupation uh y leid was uh the progressive moderate leid was uh the progressive moderate leid was uh the progressive moderate alternative and uh he drove just as alternative and uh he drove just as alternative and uh he drove just as bigoted of an agenda against the bigoted of an agenda against the bigoted of an agenda against the Palestinian people as possible so to the Palestinian people as possible so to the Palestinian people as possible so to the Palestinian that's living in Gaza or the Palestinian that's living in Gaza or the Palestinian that's living in Gaza or the Palestinian in the West Bank whoever is Palestinian in the West Bank whoever is Palestinian in the West Bank whoever is sitting in that seat has meant the exact sitting in that seat has meant the exact sitting in that seat has meant the exact same thing to them but Benjamin same thing to them but Benjamin same thing to them but Benjamin Netanyahu is certainly I think the Netanyahu is certainly I think the Netanyahu is certainly I think the loudest bigot that we have seen um you loudest bigot that we have seen um you loudest bigot that we have seen um you know in that know in that know in that seat do you think Israel has the right seat do you think Israel has the right seat do you think Israel has the right to defend its borders I think Israel has to defend its borders I think Israel has to defend its borders I think Israel has a responsibility to protect those that a responsibility to protect those that a responsibility to protect those that it occupies I think you have to ask that it occupies I think you have to ask that it occupies I think you have to ask that question differently um you know n question differently um you know n question differently um you know n arat uh wrote uh a tremendous article on arat uh wrote uh a tremendous article on arat uh wrote uh a tremendous article on this from a legal perspective you know this from a legal perspective you know this from a legal perspective you know when you talk about Israel defending when you talk about Israel defending when you talk about Israel defending itself itself itself um Israel is bound to occupation law um Israel is bound to occupation law um Israel is bound to occupation law this is the problem all along you know this is the problem all along you know this is the problem all along you know when when when John kery said of course when when when John kery said of course when when when John kery said of course the US is great sometimes at issuing the US is great sometimes at issuing the US is great sometimes at issuing inconsequential statements that Israel inconsequential statements that Israel inconsequential statements that Israel has to choose whether or not it wants to has to choose whether or not it wants to has to choose whether or not it wants to be a Jewish or a Democratic State be a be a Jewish or a Democratic State be a be a Jewish or a Democratic State be a Jewish or a Democratic state but it Jewish or a Democratic state but it Jewish or a Democratic state but it can't be both um Israel wants to occupy can't be both um Israel wants to occupy can't be both um Israel wants to occupy and deny and at the same time not be and deny and at the same time not be and deny and at the same time not be held to the standards of being an held to the standards of being an held to the standards of being an occupier but be treated as if it's some

occupier but be treated as if it's some occupier but be treated as if it's some normal uh State uh those borders were normal uh State uh those borders were normal uh State uh those borders were drawn across occupied land and have been drawn across occupied land and have been drawn across occupied land and have been expanding into Palestinian territory and expanding into Palestinian territory and expanding into Palestinian territory and people have been thrown out of their people have been thrown out of their people have been thrown out of their homes systematically and transgressed homes systematically and transgressed homes systematically and transgressed upon even to the in the places that they upon even to the in the places that they upon even to the in the places that they fled to which is Gaza right so when you fled to which is Gaza right so when you fled to which is Gaza right so when you talk about Israel having a right to talk about Israel having a right to talk about Israel having a right to defend itself you should be talking defend itself you should be talking defend itself you should be talking about Israel's duty to protect everyone about Israel's duty to protect everyone about Israel's duty to protect everyone under its occupation either lift the under its occupation either lift the under its occupation either lift the occupation or protect everyone under occupation or protect everyone under occupation or protect everyone under your occupation uh where are your your occupation uh where are your your occupation uh where are your borders right what what is uh your borders right what what is uh your borders right what what is uh your responsibility who are you protecting responsibility who are you protecting responsibility who are you protecting and I think that it speaks to the fact and I think that it speaks to the fact and I think that it speaks to the fact that Israeli policy considers that Israeli policy considers that Israeli policy considers Palestinians to be animals they say as Palestinians to be animals they say as Palestinians to be animals they say as much and they do as much I've spoken much and they do as much I've spoken much and they do as much I've spoken about James Baldwin um and James Baldwin about James Baldwin um and James Baldwin about James Baldwin um and James Baldwin talked about this Pious silence talked about this Pious silence talked about this Pious silence surrounding Israel that we're supposed surrounding Israel that we're supposed surrounding Israel that we're supposed to to to pretend uh like it's just another state pretend uh like it's just another state pretend uh like it's just another state uh you know and and ignore how it came uh you know and and ignore how it came uh you know and and ignore how it came into being and what it functions as and into being and what it functions as and into being and what it functions as and I think that Pious Silence has to be I think that Pious Silence has to be I think that Pious Silence has to be broken you know I I remember uh John broken you know I I remember uh John broken you know I I remember uh John Stewart when he had the Daily Show Stewart when he had the Daily Show Stewart when he had the Daily Show several years ago and he talked about several years ago and he talked about several years ago and he talked about this uh policy of uh you know we have to this uh policy of uh you know we have to this uh policy of uh you know we have to defend ourselves and if if someone was defend ourselves and if if someone was defend ourselves and if if someone was attacking your home what would you do attacking your home what would you do attacking your home what would you do and uh the response was well why are you and uh the response was well why are you and uh the response was well why are you forcing people into a closet so you forcing people into a closet so you forcing people into a closet so you force people into this desperate force people into this desperate force people into this desperate situation you you drive them out of situation you you drive them out of situation you you drive them out of their homes claim their homes and then

their homes claim their homes and then their homes claim their homes and then say that you're defending yourself say that you're defending yourself say that you're defending yourself against them the default is that an against them the default is that an against them the default is that an occupy people have a right to defend occupy people have a right to defend occupy people have a right to defend themselves the occupier is obligated to themselves the occupier is obligated to themselves the occupier is obligated to those that they those that they those that they occupy can you speak to this term occupy can you speak to this term occupy can you speak to this term occupation in occupation in occupation in Gaza because the people that say it is Gaza because the people that say it is Gaza because the people that say it is not an occupation say that Israeli not an occupation say that Israeli not an occupation say that Israeli troops have been pulled out from there troops have been pulled out from there troops have been pulled out from there before October 7th for many years yeah before October 7th for many years yeah before October 7th for many years yeah and to you it still is a de facto and to you it still is a de facto and to you it still is a de facto occupation Israel doesn't get to to set occupation Israel doesn't get to to set occupation Israel doesn't get to to set the terms and then Define them uh it is the terms and then Define them uh it is the terms and then Define them uh it is an occupation according to any uh legal an occupation according to any uh legal an occupation according to any uh legal standard international legal standard standard international legal standard standard international legal standard Israel controls the movement of everyone Israel controls the movement of everyone Israel controls the movement of everyone in Gaza it controls the air and the Seas in Gaza it controls the air and the Seas in Gaza it controls the air and the Seas uh it controls the ability to import or uh it controls the ability to import or uh it controls the ability to import or export the people that live in Gaza and export the people that live in Gaza and export the people that live in Gaza and the people that live in the West Bank the people that live in the West Bank the people that live in the West Bank the the the Palestinians have had their identity Palestinians have had their identity Palestinians have had their identity stolen from them so there's the freedom stolen from them so there's the freedom stolen from them so there's the freedom of movement there is the freedom of of movement there is the freedom of of movement there is the freedom of thriving there is self-determination all thriving there is self-determination all thriving there is self-determination all of that has been stolen from the people of that has been stolen from the people of that has been stolen from the people of Gaza there's no airport in Gaza that of Gaza there's no airport in Gaza that of Gaza there's no airport in Gaza that was destroyed by Israel as well uh it is was destroyed by Israel as well uh it is was destroyed by Israel as well uh it is an occupation uh at at at every level an occupation uh at at at every level an occupation uh at at at every level and by any meaningful legal and by any meaningful legal and by any meaningful legal determination what do you think about determination what do you think about determination what do you think about Yemen's houti Rebels attacking Israel in Yemen's houti Rebels attacking Israel in Yemen's houti Rebels attacking Israel in response to October 7th and then the

response to October 7th and then the response to October 7th and then the United States and the United States and the United States and the UK um initiating bombing of multiple UK um initiating bombing of multiple UK um initiating bombing of multiple Targets in Yemen in response to that Targets in Yemen in response to that Targets in Yemen in response to that yeah I think that it's clear that the yeah I think that it's clear that the yeah I think that it's clear that the United States cares more about its United States cares more about its United States cares more about its shipping lanes than it does about shipping lanes than it does about shipping lanes than it does about Palestinian lives and that actually has Palestinian lives and that actually has Palestinian lives and that actually has proved it uh look I do not support the proved it uh look I do not support the proved it uh look I do not support the houthis as houthis as houthis as houthis or their policies in general um houthis or their policies in general um houthis or their policies in general um but if you look at what has transpired but if you look at what has transpired but if you look at what has transpired and what they have said they're and what they have said they're and what they have said they're attacking attacking attacking these ships in response to the these ships in response to the these ships in response to the occupation uh or in response to the occupation uh or in response to the occupation uh or in response to the genocide and saying that they will genocide and saying that they will genocide and saying that they will continue to do so to stop business as continue to do so to stop business as continue to do so to stop business as usual until a ceasefire is reached they usual until a ceasefire is reached they usual until a ceasefire is reached they have not killed anyone right they have have not killed anyone right they have have not killed anyone right they have seized ships they have blocked the lanes seized ships they have blocked the lanes seized ships they have blocked the lanes but they have said that if a ceasefire but they have said that if a ceasefire but they have said that if a ceasefire happens they will cease their activity happens they will cease their activity happens they will cease their activity so instead of the United States trying so instead of the United States trying so instead of the United States trying to get a ceasefire through the United to get a ceasefire through the United to get a ceasefire through the United States decided let's go bomb Yemen too States decided let's go bomb Yemen too States decided let's go bomb Yemen too you know let's let's spend more money on you know let's let's spend more money on you know let's let's spend more money on weapons and killing innocent people weapons and killing innocent people weapons and killing innocent people which shows you exactly where our policy which shows you exactly where our policy which shows you exactly where our policy uh always leads itself to unfortunately uh always leads itself to unfortunately uh always leads itself to unfortunately so uh I think that most reasonable so uh I think that most reasonable so uh I think that most reasonable people would say that the problem is not people would say that the problem is not people would say that the problem is not with uh Yemen Rebels attacking ships the with uh Yemen Rebels attacking ships the with uh Yemen Rebels attacking ships the problem is with Israel attacking problem is with Israel attacking problem is with Israel attacking innocent Palestinian lives you mentioned

innocent Palestinian lives you mentioned innocent Palestinian lives you mentioned paying respect next to the uh Legacy of paying respect next to the uh Legacy of paying respect next to the uh Legacy of ebj Eddie Bernice Johnson and um ebj Eddie Bernice Johnson and um ebj Eddie Bernice Johnson and um remembering Palestinian child prisoners remembering Palestinian child prisoners remembering Palestinian child prisoners can you can you can you explain so congresswoman Eddie Bernice explain so congresswoman Eddie Bernice explain so congresswoman Eddie Bernice Johnson was one of the few co-sponsors Johnson was one of the few co-sponsors Johnson was one of the few co-sponsors of a bill that has been on the floor of of a bill that has been on the floor of of a bill that has been on the floor of Congress for years uh initially Congress for years uh initially Congress for years uh initially sponsored by congresswoman Betty sponsored by congresswoman Betty sponsored by congresswoman Betty McCullum to penalize Israel for its McCullum to penalize Israel for its McCullum to penalize Israel for its Detention of child prisoners thousands Detention of child prisoners thousands Detention of child prisoners thousands of children arbitrarily detained put in of children arbitrarily detained put in of children arbitrarily detained put in military courts solitary confinement and military courts solitary confinement and military courts solitary confinement and yes sexual violence that's been yes sexual violence that's been yes sexual violence that's been documented by human rights organizations documented by human rights organizations documented by human rights organizations against them and there have been no against them and there have been no against them and there have been no repercussions so I want you to think repercussions so I want you to think repercussions so I want you to think about this you know just the thought of about this you know just the thought of about this you know just the thought of conditioning Aid to Israel you know so conditioning Aid to Israel you know so conditioning Aid to Israel you know so that it doesn't indiscriminately bomb that it doesn't indiscriminately bomb that it doesn't indiscriminately bomb entire entire entire populations has not been able to find populations has not been able to find populations has not been able to find any home in mainstream Amica Amer any home in mainstream Amica Amer any home in mainstream Amica Amer politics for politics for politics for years just trying to stop Israel from years just trying to stop Israel from years just trying to stop Israel from picking up children and throwing them picking up children and throwing them picking up children and throwing them into military prisons where they into military prisons where they into military prisons where they disappear for decades at times has not disappear for decades at times has not disappear for decades at times has not found any thrust in mainstream American found any thrust in mainstream American found any thrust in mainstream American politics whereas any resolution that is politics whereas any resolution that is politics whereas any resolution that is pro-israel will make it past both pro-israel will make it past both pro-israel will make it past both Chambers relatively Chambers relatively Chambers relatively quickly when people talk about Israeli quickly when people talk about Israeli quickly when people talk about Israeli hostages and then then talk about

hostages and then then talk about hostages and then then talk about Palestinian prisoners there's already a Palestinian prisoners there's already a Palestinian prisoners there's already a problem with that problem with that problem with that framing first of all all 2.2 million framing first of all all 2.2 million framing first of all all 2.2 million people in Gaza are hostages every people in Gaza are hostages every people in Gaza are hostages every Palestinian that lives under occupation Palestinian that lives under occupation Palestinian that lives under occupation is a hostage but all of those prisoners is a hostage but all of those prisoners is a hostage but all of those prisoners that have been picked up women children that have been picked up women children that have been picked up women children innocent people with absolutely no innocent people with absolutely no innocent people with absolutely no process of making sure that they're process of making sure that they're process of making sure that they're treated right or given uh Fair trials or treated right or given uh Fair trials or treated right or given uh Fair trials or even given a communication line with even given a communication line with even given a communication line with their families or with any government to their families or with any government to their families or with any government to help them is absolutely criminal all of help them is absolutely criminal all of help them is absolutely criminal all of those prisoners are also those prisoners are also those prisoners are also hostages and when you when you when you hostages and when you when you when you hostages and when you when you when you already propose this idea that there are already propose this idea that there are already propose this idea that there are Israeli hostages and Palestinian Israeli hostages and Palestinian Israeli hostages and Palestinian prisoners you're already implying that prisoners you're already implying that prisoners you're already implying that one group is one group is one group is complicit in their own Devastation complicit in their own Devastation complicit in their own Devastation whereas another group has had whereas another group has had whereas another group has had Devastation visited upon them in Devastation visited upon them in Devastation visited upon them in entirely out of their own doing and so entirely out of their own doing and so entirely out of their own doing and so it's important for people to learn about it's important for people to learn about it's important for people to learn about children prisoners who are indeed children prisoners who are indeed children prisoners who are indeed hostages to an apartheid hostages to an apartheid hostages to an apartheid system and even what happened during system and even what happened during system and even what happened during that 4-day that 4-day that 4-day truce which all of us hoped would be truce which all of us hoped would be truce which all of us hoped would be extended and become permanent where 150 extended and become permanent where 150 extended and become permanent where 150 Palestinian prisoners were released Palestinian prisoners were released Palestinian prisoners were released Israel just went and picked up another Israel just went and picked up another Israel just went and picked up another 135 in the West Bank and threw them in 135 in the West Bank and threw them in 135 in the West Bank and threw them in prisons that's what I mean when I say

prisons that's what I mean when I say prisons that's what I mean when I say you're not addressing the root of the you're not addressing the root of the you're not addressing the root of the problem the root of the problem is the problem the root of the problem is the problem the root of the problem is the occupation the root of the problem is occupation the root of the problem is occupation the root of the problem is the apartheid the root of the problem is the apartheid the root of the problem is the apartheid the root of the problem is the desperation that then drives the the desperation that then drives the the desperation that then drives the creation of all sorts of creation of all sorts of creation of all sorts of circumstances that will only further circumstances that will only further circumstances that will only further lead to the devastation of everyone lead to the devastation of everyone lead to the devastation of everyone right if you don't solve that problem right if you don't solve that problem right if you don't solve that problem and at the root of that problem is the and at the root of that problem is the and at the root of that problem is the dehumanization of the Palestinian dehumanization of the Palestinian dehumanization of the Palestinian because no one is Raising alarms for because no one is Raising alarms for because no one is Raising alarms for those Palestinian hostages in Israeli those Palestinian hostages in Israeli those Palestinian hostages in Israeli military prisons no one's putting up military prisons no one's putting up military prisons no one's putting up their pictures and no one's talking their pictures and no one's talking their pictures and no one's talking about who they are and their human about who they are and their human about who they are and their human stories and the violence that's been wre stories and the violence that's been wre stories and the violence that's been wre against them at every level so if you against them at every level so if you against them at every level so if you don't solve not just the root of don't solve not just the root of don't solve not just the root of occupation but also the dehumanization occupation but also the dehumanization occupation but also the dehumanization that drives the occupation which is that drives the occupation which is that drives the occupation which is unfortunately so pervasive right now in unfortunately so pervasive right now in unfortunately so pervasive right now in the discourse then you're going to the discourse then you're going to the discourse then you're going to continue to have this Gap and how the continue to have this Gap and how the continue to have this Gap and how the world sees the plight of the world sees the plight of the world sees the plight of the Palestinians Palestinians Palestinians and how unfortunately the American and how unfortunately the American and how unfortunately the American public uh sees the problem of the public uh sees the problem of the public uh sees the problem of the Palestinians and to you big peace Palestinians and to you big peace Palestinians and to you big peace agreements like uh of the like of agreements like uh of the like of agreements like uh of the like of Abraham Accords should include Palestine Abraham Accords should include Palestine Abraham Accords should include Palestine Abraham Accords is nothing but an Abraham Accords is nothing but an Abraham Accords is nothing but an agreement in which you slap the name of agreement in which you slap the name of agreement in which you slap the name of Abraham on arms deals in exchange for Abraham on arms deals in exchange for Abraham on arms deals in exchange for countries being able to undertake their countries being able to undertake their countries being able to undertake their own Unholy Pursuits they use one of the own Unholy Pursuits they use one of the own Unholy Pursuits they use one of the holiest names in history and continue to

holiest names in history and continue to holiest names in history and continue to erase the main victims of this atrocity erase the main victims of this atrocity erase the main victims of this atrocity and so the Abraham Accords are an insult and so the Abraham Accords are an insult and so the Abraham Accords are an insult to humanity an insult to the to humanity an insult to the to humanity an insult to the Palestinians and an insult to the name Palestinians and an insult to the name Palestinians and an insult to the name of of of Abraham but do you think something like Abraham but do you think something like Abraham but do you think something like that agreements of that nature of that that agreements of that nature of that that agreements of that nature of that scale could be made that include the scale could be made that include the scale could be made that include the Palestinian people and that would Palestinian people and that would Palestinian people and that would actually have make progress if they're actually have make progress if they're actually have make progress if they're honest to the plight of the Palestinians honest to the plight of the Palestinians honest to the plight of the Palestinians if they are honest to the roots of the if they are honest to the roots of the if they are honest to the roots of the problem absolutely look again peace is problem absolutely look again peace is problem absolutely look again peace is sought but peace cannot be used to sought but peace cannot be used to sought but peace cannot be used to silence the entire peace silence the entire peace silence the entire peace process has you know been been hung over process has you know been been hung over process has you know been been hung over the Palestinians all these years while the Palestinians all these years while the Palestinians all these years while settlements continue to expand and their settlements continue to expand and their settlements continue to expand and their situation only continue to get situation only continue to get situation only continue to get worse is Israel really going to remove worse is Israel really going to remove worse is Israel really going to remove the 700,000 800 ,000 settlers right and the 700,000 800 ,000 settlers right and the 700,000 800 ,000 settlers right and uh suddenly change its tune on a uh suddenly change its tune on a uh suddenly change its tune on a two-state solution Benjamin Netanyahu is two-state solution Benjamin Netanyahu is two-state solution Benjamin Netanyahu is saying right now and he's speaking to saying right now and he's speaking to saying right now and he's speaking to unfortunately what is clearly a majority unfortunately what is clearly a majority unfortunately what is clearly a majority of the Israeli public that there will of the Israeli public that there will of the Israeli public that there will never be a Palestinian state so these never be a Palestinian state so these never be a Palestinian state so these peace talks cannot be used to suffocate peace talks cannot be used to suffocate peace talks cannot be used to suffocate all of the work of justice and bringing all of the work of justice and bringing all of the work of justice and bringing Israel to accountability the world has Israel to accountability the world has Israel to accountability the world has to act when they see apartheid the world to act when they see apartheid the world to act when they see apartheid the world has to act when they see occupation if has to act when they see occupation if has to act when they see occupation if the world fails to bring Israel to a

the world fails to bring Israel to a the world fails to bring Israel to a place of ACC place of ACC place of ACC accountability then a few countries that accountability then a few countries that accountability then a few countries that have their own agendas cannot put forth have their own agendas cannot put forth have their own agendas cannot put forth anything meaningful for the victims of anything meaningful for the victims of anything meaningful for the victims of Israel being the Palestinian people Israel being the Palestinian people Israel being the Palestinian people there's a lot of questions I want to ask there's a lot of questions I want to ask there's a lot of questions I want to ask you you you about the nature of resistance and what about the nature of resistance and what about the nature of resistance and what is the proper way to resist what is the is the proper way to resist what is the is the proper way to resist what is the Practical pragmatic effective ways of Practical pragmatic effective ways of Practical pragmatic effective ways of resisting thing so one example that is resisting thing so one example that is resisting thing so one example that is often brought up is the difference often brought up is the difference often brought up is the difference between MLK and Malcolm X One emphasized between MLK and Malcolm X One emphasized between MLK and Malcolm X One emphasized nonviolent resistance the other nonviolent resistance the other nonviolent resistance the other emphasized any means necessary emphasized any means necessary emphasized any means necessary resistance um which do you side with in resistance um which do you side with in resistance um which do you side with in general and in this general and in this general and in this particular case of what has happened particular case of what has happened particular case of what has happened over the past 100 plus days so in over the past 100 plus days so in over the past 100 plus days so in general that framing relies on on a general that framing relies on on a general that framing relies on on a sanitization of Dr Martin Luther King Jr sanitization of Dr Martin Luther King Jr sanitization of Dr Martin Luther King Jr and a vilification of Malcolm X that a and a vilification of Malcolm X that a and a vilification of Malcolm X that a lot of people do put forth and present lot of people do put forth and present lot of people do put forth and present as two Polar Opposites and how they as two Polar Opposites and how they as two Polar Opposites and how they approach um the plight of black people approach um the plight of black people approach um the plight of black people in America and and resisting uh racism in America and and resisting uh racism in America and and resisting uh racism here in America uh when I taught a here in America uh when I taught a here in America uh when I taught a course at at Southern Methodist course at at Southern Methodist course at at Southern Methodist University on MLK and Malcolm X and University on MLK and Malcolm X and University on MLK and Malcolm X and Islam and the Civil Rights Movement what Islam and the Civil Rights Movement what Islam and the Civil Rights Movement what I'd often do is I'd give my I'd often do is I'd give my I'd often do is I'd give my students a set of quotes and I would say students a set of quotes and I would say students a set of quotes and I would say assigned this to Malcolm or Martin and assigned this to Malcolm or Martin and assigned this to Malcolm or Martin and they'd always get it wrong right so you they'd always get it wrong right so you they'd always get it wrong right so you can find uh you know quotes from MLK and

can find uh you know quotes from MLK and can find uh you know quotes from MLK and breaking the silence and especially when breaking the silence and especially when breaking the silence and especially when he took a stand against the Vietnam War he took a stand against the Vietnam War he took a stand against the Vietnam War uh that sounds so radical you know when uh that sounds so radical you know when uh that sounds so radical you know when you compare them to the the image of MLK you compare them to the the image of MLK you compare them to the the image of MLK and Malcolm is of course turned into and Malcolm is of course turned into and Malcolm is of course turned into this militant angry uh Muslim uh who this militant angry uh Muslim uh who this militant angry uh Muslim uh who just wanted violence and was uh seeking just wanted violence and was uh seeking just wanted violence and was uh seeking uh chaos here in the United States uh chaos here in the United States uh chaos here in the United States so let's be clear about something here so let's be clear about something here so let's be clear about something here that that that Malcolm never himself was part of any Malcolm never himself was part of any Malcolm never himself was part of any violence Malcolm never did anything violence Malcolm never did anything violence Malcolm never did anything violent Malcolm found it hypocritical to violent Malcolm found it hypocritical to violent Malcolm found it hypocritical to commit the oppressed people to commit the oppressed people to commit the oppressed people to nonviolence while not restraining the nonviolence while not restraining the nonviolence while not restraining the oppressor from its oppressor from its oppressor from its violence and I agree with Malcolm it is violence and I agree with Malcolm it is violence and I agree with Malcolm it is absolutely hypocritical to focus your absolutely hypocritical to focus your absolutely hypocritical to focus your attention and your energy on the attention and your energy on the attention and your energy on the oppressed people and committing them to oppressed people and committing them to oppressed people and committing them to nonviolence nonviolence nonviolence while not directing your attention to while not directing your attention to while not directing your attention to the oppressor when you have such a the oppressor when you have such a the oppressor when you have such a symmetry when you have a clear aggressor symmetry when you have a clear aggressor symmetry when you have a clear aggressor and aggressed upon you have a clear and aggressed upon you have a clear and aggressed upon you have a clear Colonial entity and a clear colonized Colonial entity and a clear colonized Colonial entity and a clear colonized people you focus your energy on people you focus your energy on people you focus your energy on restraining the colonial power you focus restraining the colonial power you focus restraining the colonial power you focus your energy on restraining the oppressor your energy on restraining the oppressor your energy on restraining the oppressor not the oppressed and so that was not the oppressed and so that was not the oppressed and so that was Malcolm's point and it's clear in his Malcolm's point and it's clear in his Malcolm's point and it's clear in his messaging uh throughout his religious messaging uh throughout his religious messaging uh throughout his religious growth because of course Malcolm did growth because of course Malcolm did growth because of course Malcolm did evolve uh as a person but Malcolm found evolve uh as a person but Malcolm found evolve uh as a person but Malcolm found it deeply hypocritical to commit the it deeply hypocritical to commit the it deeply hypocritical to commit the oppressed to nonviolence Malcolm also oppressed to nonviolence Malcolm also oppressed to nonviolence Malcolm also had a had a had a deep understanding of the way that

deep understanding of the way that deep understanding of the way that brutality here State violence in the brutality here State violence in the brutality here State violence in the United States was connected to it State United States was connected to it State United States was connected to it State violence abroad and American imperialism violence abroad and American imperialism violence abroad and American imperialism as a whole Malcolm was the first to as a whole Malcolm was the first to as a whole Malcolm was the first to speak on Vietnam the first major speak on Vietnam the first major speak on Vietnam the first major African-American leader to speak on African-American leader to speak on African-American leader to speak on Vietnam Martin followed Malcolm also Vietnam Martin followed Malcolm also Vietnam Martin followed Malcolm also went to Gaza in 19 64 1964 went to Khan went to Gaza in 19 64 1964 went to Khan went to Gaza in 19 64 1964 went to Khan yunas which is now under heavy yunas which is now under heavy yunas which is now under heavy bombardment and Malcolm Penn an essay on bombardment and Malcolm Penn an essay on bombardment and Malcolm Penn an essay on Zionism and connected Zionism to Zionism and connected Zionism to Zionism and connected Zionism to American imperialism and the broader American imperialism and the broader American imperialism and the broader implications of America's foreign policy implications of America's foreign policy implications of America's foreign policy so Martin and so Martin and so Martin and Malcolm if you look at them in the Malcolm if you look at them in the Malcolm if you look at them in the capacity of what's happening right capacity of what's happening right capacity of what's happening right now where I would say you can find now where I would say you can find now where I would say you can find something that is deeply profound Jame something that is deeply profound Jame something that is deeply profound Jame con wrote a book uh called Malcolm and con wrote a book uh called Malcolm and con wrote a book uh called Malcolm and Martin Dreams and Martin Dreams and Martin Dreams and Nightmares and he wrote something Nightmares and he wrote something Nightmares and he wrote something profound to the effect that Martin tried profound to the effect that Martin tried profound to the effect that Martin tried to liberate white people from their own to liberate white people from their own to liberate white people from their own racism whereas Malcolm tried to liberate racism whereas Malcolm tried to liberate racism whereas Malcolm tried to liberate black people from the effects of that black people from the effects of that black people from the effects of that racism on them and so they both played a racism on them and so they both played a racism on them and so they both played a deeply important role deeply important role deeply important role self-determination is crucial to self-determination is crucial to self-determination is crucial to maintain the fuel of a movement and I maintain the fuel of a movement and I maintain the fuel of a movement and I think one of the things that probably think one of the things that probably think one of the things that probably deeply frustrates those that have sought deeply frustrates those that have sought deeply frustrates those that have sought the Eraser of Palestine is that the Eraser of Palestine is that the Eraser of Palestine is that Palestinian Consciousness has only Palestinian Consciousness has only Palestinian Consciousness has only continued to grow after 75 years continued to grow after 75 years continued to grow after 75 years Palestinians in diaspora and

Palestinians in diaspora and Palestinians in diaspora and Palestinians within occupied territory Palestinians within occupied territory Palestinians within occupied territory all are deeply rooted in their all are deeply rooted in their all are deeply rooted in their Palestinian identity and existence and Palestinian identity and existence and Palestinian identity and existence and they're not going away so I think that they're not going away so I think that they're not going away so I think that that's where the the function is that's where the the function is that's where the the function is important of this whereas those that are important of this whereas those that are important of this whereas those that are complicit in the oppression need to be complicit in the oppression need to be complicit in the oppression need to be liberated liberated liberated from their own oppression you know and from their own oppression you know and from their own oppression you know and liberated from what they're liberated from what they're liberated from what they're participating in most Americans that I participating in most Americans that I participating in most Americans that I talk talk talk to that have absolutely no idea about to that have absolutely no idea about to that have absolutely no idea about what's going on when they come to hear what's going on when they come to hear what's going on when they come to hear just a few stories of the plight of the just a few stories of the plight of the just a few stories of the plight of the Palestinian people and the types of Palestinian people and the types of Palestinian people and the types of brutality that we have brutality that we have brutality that we have encountered wake up to this and say oh encountered wake up to this and say oh encountered wake up to this and say oh my God this is what my tax dollars go to my God this is what my tax dollars go to my God this is what my tax dollars go to this is what I'm a part of right so we this is what I'm a part of right so we this is what I'm a part of right so we have to liberate people across the board have to liberate people across the board have to liberate people across the board from being oppressors or from being from being oppressors or from being from being oppressors or from being oppressed what do you think about the oppressed what do you think about the oppressed what do you think about the seeming fact that majority of seeming fact that majority of seeming fact that majority of Palestinians support the October 7th Palestinians support the October 7th Palestinians support the October 7th attacks you have to see the world their attacks you have to see the world their attacks you have to see the world their world through their eyes you can't try world through their eyes you can't try world through their eyes you can't try to see their world through your to see their world through your to see their world through your eyes if you live under eyes if you live under eyes if you live under occupation you're routinely occupation you're routinely occupation you're routinely harassed at Israeli harassed at Israeli harassed at Israeli checkpoints the occupation is expanding checkpoints the occupation is expanding checkpoints the occupation is expanding into your territory you're meeting into your territory you're meeting into your territory you're meeting families you know regularly that have families you know regularly that have families you know regularly that have been thrown out of their homes and that been thrown out of their homes and that been thrown out of their homes and that are looking for a new place in the are looking for a new place in the are looking for a new place in the shrinking territory you deal with shrinking territory you deal with shrinking territory you deal with routine air strikes you have no way to

routine air strikes you have no way to routine air strikes you have no way to get out you have no way to grow you get out you have no way to grow you get out you have no way to grow you don't even have a passport your don't even have a passport your don't even have a passport your education is subpar your standards of education is subpar your standards of education is subpar your standards of living are lower than the rest of the living are lower than the rest of the living are lower than the rest of the world and all you hear from the other world and all you hear from the other world and all you hear from the other side which do dominates the discourse side which do dominates the discourse side which do dominates the discourse and dominates every element of your and dominates every element of your and dominates every element of your existence are Promises of eraser of existence are Promises of eraser of existence are Promises of eraser of complete complete complete eraser 13,000 people I mentioned eraser 13,000 people I mentioned eraser 13,000 people I mentioned 2023 2023 2023 13,000 new settlement units being 13,000 new settlement units being 13,000 new settlement units being Advanced if that happened anywhere right Advanced if that happened anywhere right Advanced if that happened anywhere right just think about what that means right just think about what that means right just think about what that means right when you clear out a village or when you clear out a village or when you clear out a village or two and it's not that big of a territory two and it's not that big of a territory two and it's not that big of a territory right when you know that that's right when you know that that's right when you know that that's happening and when you have been happening and when you have been happening and when you have been subjected to subjected to subjected to that anyone that claims to be supporting that anyone that claims to be supporting that anyone that claims to be supporting you or uplifting you from that state of you or uplifting you from that state of you or uplifting you from that state of misery is going to have sympathy whether misery is going to have sympathy whether misery is going to have sympathy whether you agree with their mission or their you agree with their mission or their you agree with their mission or their methods or not it's human it is human methods or not it's human it is human methods or not it's human it is human that if anyone says that they are going that if anyone says that they are going that if anyone says that they are going to get you out of this misery and to get you out of this misery and to get you out of this misery and inflict pain on those who have given you inflict pain on those who have given you inflict pain on those who have given you a life of pain and promised you a future a life of pain and promised you a future a life of pain and promised you a future of pain you're going to have sympathy to of pain you're going to have sympathy to of pain you're going to have sympathy to that group whether you agree with them that group whether you agree with them that group whether you agree with them or not I think that the question also or not I think that the question also or not I think that the question also has to be has to be has to be asked what about the Israeli public asked what about the Israeli public asked what about the Israeli public Israel holds all of the power in that Israel holds all of the power in that Israel holds all of the power in that region holds all of the power over that region holds all of the power over that region holds all of the power over that territory is able to dominate the

territory is able to dominate the territory is able to dominate the expansion of its own territory and expansion of its own territory and expansion of its own territory and diminish any Palestinian territory is diminish any Palestinian territory is diminish any Palestinian territory is able to PR Place restrictions whenever able to PR Place restrictions whenever able to PR Place restrictions whenever at once on Palestinian movement trying at once on Palestinian movement trying at once on Palestinian movement trying to get to their holy sites or otherwise to get to their holy sites or otherwise to get to their holy sites or otherwise whether it's m AA or the holy supper of whether it's m AA or the holy supper of whether it's m AA or the holy supper of the church of nativity the church of nativity the church of nativity right the majority of the Israeli right the majority of the Israeli right the majority of the Israeli public before October 7th public before October 7th public before October 7th unfortunately according to all polls unfortunately according to all polls unfortunately according to all polls favors a non-democratic regime the end favors a non-democratic regime the end favors a non-democratic regime the end of a two-state of a two-state of a two-state solution does not care about the plight solution does not care about the plight solution does not care about the plight of Palestinian people the majority of of Palestinian people the majority of of Palestinian people the majority of the Israeli public why is that and what the Israeli public why is that and what the Israeli public why is that and what is that mean for Palestinians right is that mean for Palestinians right is that mean for Palestinians right especially now after this genocide the especially now after this genocide the especially now after this genocide the vast majority majority of the Israeli vast majority majority of the Israeli vast majority majority of the Israeli public does not favor a ceasefire public does not favor a ceasefire public does not favor a ceasefire right what are we supposed to do when we right what are we supposed to do when we right what are we supposed to do when we see mainstream media coming out of see mainstream media coming out of see mainstream media coming out of Israel pop culture uh Tik Tock videos Israel pop culture uh Tik Tock videos Israel pop culture uh Tik Tock videos that only speak to a greater desire to that only speak to a greater desire to that only speak to a greater desire to eliminate the Palestinian people right eliminate the Palestinian people right eliminate the Palestinian people right so anyone that says that they are going so anyone that says that they are going so anyone that says that they are going to support your plight whether you agree to support your plight whether you agree to support your plight whether you agree with their mission or their methods is with their mission or their methods is with their mission or their methods is going to resonate with that child that going to resonate with that child that going to resonate with that child that has grown up in those desperate has grown up in those desperate has grown up in those desperate circumstances you know basam YF had an circumstances you know basam YF had an circumstances you know basam YF had an interview with Pierce Morgan and he was interview with Pierce Morgan and he was interview with Pierce Morgan and he was talking about this I mean just he he talking about this I mean just he he talking about this I mean just he he literally gave it a human a human story literally gave it a human a human story literally gave it a human a human story if you're a child that's grown up you've

if you're a child that's grown up you've if you're a child that's grown up you've lost limbs your parents are dead Your lost limbs your parents are dead Your lost limbs your parents are dead Your Friends Are Dead you have been made a Friends Are Dead you have been made a Friends Are Dead you have been made a refugee two or three times refugee two or three times refugee two or three times already you have no future in already you have no future in already you have no future in sight and then someone comes to you and sight and then someone comes to you and sight and then someone comes to you and says I'm going to help you and I'm gonna says I'm going to help you and I'm gonna says I'm going to help you and I'm gonna fight back on your behalf of course it's fight back on your behalf of course it's fight back on your behalf of course it's going to resonate it's human right and going to resonate it's human right and going to resonate it's human right and so I think that it's important for us to so I think that it's important for us to so I think that it's important for us to see the world through their eyes rather see the world through their eyes rather see the world through their eyes rather than try to see the world through our than try to see the world through our than try to see the world through our eyes so as Malcolm X did you're calling eyes so as Malcolm X did you're calling eyes so as Malcolm X did you're calling for highlighting the asymmetry in for highlighting the asymmetry in for highlighting the asymmetry in violence and asymmetry in moral violence and asymmetry in moral violence and asymmetry in moral reasoning reasoning reasoning absolutely it's important you're not absolutely it's important you're not absolutely it's important you're not going to be able to solve this problem going to be able to solve this problem going to be able to solve this problem unless you're able to do that and so unless you're able to do that and so unless you're able to do that and so when when Malcolm said uh that if you when when Malcolm said uh that if you when when Malcolm said uh that if you stick a knife 9 in into my back and pull stick a knife 9 in into my back and pull stick a knife 9 in into my back and pull it out 6 it out 6 it out 6 in that's not progress progress is in that's not progress progress is in that's not progress progress is healing the wound and you're not even healing the wound and you're not even healing the wound and you're not even willing to acknowledge that the knife is willing to acknowledge that the knife is willing to acknowledge that the knife is there yet those that don't acknowledge there yet those that don't acknowledge there yet those that don't acknowledge what is determined Now by any uh what is determined Now by any uh what is determined Now by any uh international human rights organization international human rights organization international human rights organization even Israel human rights even Israel human rights even Israel human rights organization uh bet Islam and others to organization uh bet Islam and others to organization uh bet Islam and others to be apartheid a state of partied in a be apartheid a state of partied in a be apartheid a state of partied in a state of occupation and now an unfolding state of occupation and now an unfolding state of occupation and now an unfolding genocide genocide genocide um you know are are not Partners For um you know are are not Partners For um you know are are not Partners For Peace it just hurts me to Peace it just hurts me to Peace it just hurts me to think how long it takes to

think how long it takes to think how long it takes to heal even if the Healing Begins now with heal even if the Healing Begins now with heal even if the Healing Begins now with a a a knife knife knife metaphor it's just going to be metaphor it's just going to be metaphor it's just going to be Generations because people don't forget Generations because people don't forget Generations because people don't forget when your father and mother were when your father and mother were when your father and mother were murdered or somebody that you know in murdered or somebody that you know in murdered or somebody that you know in your family was killed they don't your family was killed they don't your family was killed they don't forget forget forget look I think the point is is that we look I think the point is is that we look I think the point is is that we have to come to terms with the fact have to come to terms with the fact have to come to terms with the fact that the trauma of the that the trauma of the that the trauma of the past does not justify the murder of the past does not justify the murder of the past does not justify the murder of the present and the fear of the future does present and the fear of the future does present and the fear of the future does not justify the murder of the present not justify the murder of the present not justify the murder of the present the urgency of the world right now the urgency of the world right now the urgency of the world right now should be entirely focused on ending should be entirely focused on ending should be entirely focused on ending this atrocity that unfortunately the this atrocity that unfortunately the this atrocity that unfortunately the world has become so complacent with world has become so complacent with world has become so complacent with again prior to October 7th this status again prior to October 7th this status again prior to October 7th this status quo was not acceptable and there was no quo was not acceptable and there was no quo was not acceptable and there was no means in sight in the global Arena to re means in sight in the global Arena to re means in sight in the global Arena to re this in to make Israel more accountable this in to make Israel more accountable this in to make Israel more accountable to stop to stop to stop this I do believe this I do believe this I do believe in the power of healing I do believe in in the power of healing I do believe in in the power of healing I do believe in the power of growth I I do believe that the power of growth I I do believe that the power of growth I I do believe that we have seen ugly episodes of History we have seen ugly episodes of History we have seen ugly episodes of History before that have been rectified I also before that have been rectified I also before that have been rectified I also believe in the heart of my people I believe in the heart of my people I believe in the heart of my people I believe that the Palestinian People Are

believe that the Palestinian People Are believe that the Palestinian People Are People of resistance they're people of People of resistance they're people of People of resistance they're people of resilience they're people of courage and resilience they're people of courage and resilience they're people of courage and they are people of benevolence and they are people of benevolence and they are people of benevolence and magnam minity and there are people who magnam minity and there are people who magnam minity and there are people who have been made to grow under the worst have been made to grow under the worst have been made to grow under the worst of of of circumstances I don't see in in the circumstances I don't see in in the circumstances I don't see in in the hearts of young Palestinians that have hearts of young Palestinians that have hearts of young Palestinians that have been tormented I don't see been tormented I don't see been tormented I don't see Darkness I see light I see the ability Darkness I see light I see the ability Darkness I see light I see the ability to still laugh and find Joy despite to still laugh and find Joy despite to still laugh and find Joy despite everything that's everything that's everything that's happened and so I think that the urgency happened and so I think that the urgency happened and so I think that the urgency right now just has to be towards right now just has to be towards right now just has to be towards ensuring that they have a life that ensuring that they have a life that ensuring that they have a life that they're not being they're not being they're not being anymore I was wondering if you can anymore I was wondering if you can anymore I was wondering if you can comment on comment on comment on a idea and notion that comes up often in a idea and notion that comes up often in a idea and notion that comes up often in conversations about conversations about conversations about this of why can't other nations in the this of why can't other nations in the this of why can't other nations in the region take in uh Palestinian refugees region take in uh Palestinian refugees region take in uh Palestinian refugees so I think that we have to tackle what's so I think that we have to tackle what's so I think that we have to tackle what's implied by that at multiple levels and I implied by that at multiple levels and I implied by that at multiple levels and I actually want to walk back you know I I actually want to walk back you know I I actually want to walk back you know I I was listening to Nikki Haley was listening to Nikki Haley was listening to Nikki Haley when she uh said in one of her when she uh said in one of her when she uh said in one of her interviews you know and why is it that interviews you know and why is it that interviews you know and why is it that you think no one wants to take the you think no one wants to take the you think no one wants to take the Palestinians in and she had like this Palestinians in and she had like this Palestinians in and she had like this deeply uh disturbing laugh to it uh or deeply uh disturbing laugh to it uh or deeply uh disturbing laugh to it uh or Ben Shapiro when he uh said uh Israelis Ben Shapiro when he uh said uh Israelis Ben Shapiro when he uh said uh Israelis like to build and Arabs like to bomb like to build and Arabs like to bomb like to build and Arabs like to bomb crap and live in their sewage uh or um

crap and live in their sewage uh or um crap and live in their sewage uh or um you know why is it that no one wants to you know why is it that no one wants to you know why is it that no one wants to govern the Palestinians suggesting that govern the Palestinians suggesting that govern the Palestinians suggesting that Palestinians are ungovernable and uh Palestinians are ungovernable and uh Palestinians are ungovernable and uh not fit to bring into your countries and not fit to bring into your countries and not fit to bring into your countries and that's why they're being turned away you that's why they're being turned away you that's why they're being turned away you know who else faced that bigotry Jews know who else faced that bigotry Jews know who else faced that bigotry Jews trying to escape the Holocaust trying to escape the Holocaust trying to escape the Holocaust 1939 300,000 Germans applied for Refuge 1939 300,000 Germans applied for Refuge 1939 300,000 Germans applied for Refuge here in the United States I think only here in the United States I think only here in the United States I think only about about about 10,000 uh were allowed in and uh we also 10,000 uh were allowed in and uh we also 10,000 uh were allowed in and uh we also turned away ships of Jews that were turned away ships of Jews that were turned away ships of Jews that were seeking Refuge here in the United States seeking Refuge here in the United States seeking Refuge here in the United States on what B basis that they were a on what B basis that they were a on what B basis that they were a national security national security national security threat and could not be trusted they threat and could not be trusted they threat and could not be trusted they could not be taken could not be taken could not be taken in that's the same bigotry that's in that's the same bigotry that's in that's the same bigotry that's driving this and I want you to think driving this and I want you to think driving this and I want you to think about it you know from that perspective about it you know from that perspective about it you know from that perspective How Deeply offensive that is when you How Deeply offensive that is when you How Deeply offensive that is when you have millions of Palestinians in have millions of Palestinians in have millions of Palestinians in diaspora where have Palestinians caused diaspora where have Palestinians caused diaspora where have Palestinians caused trouble where they've gone everywhere trouble where they've gone everywhere trouble where they've gone everywhere Palestinians are they have overcome Palestinians are they have overcome Palestinians are they have overcome significant hurdles to become significant hurdles to become significant hurdles to become scientists and scientists and scientists and doctors and to grow themselves and to doctors and to grow themselves and to doctors and to grow themselves and to grow the places that they're in we have grow the places that they're in we have grow the places that they're in we have Palestinians that have been displaced Palestinians that have been displaced Palestinians that have been displaced all over the world caused issues for all over the world caused issues for all over the world caused issues for people right so it's both racist and people right so it's both racist and people right so it's both racist and factually factually factually incorrect that's not the right question incorrect that's not the right question incorrect that's not the right question that should be asked the question that that should be asked the question that that should be asked the question that should be asked are why are these people

should be asked are why are these people should be asked are why are these people driven from their homes not why won't driven from their homes not why won't driven from their homes not why won't other people around them open their other people around them open their other people around them open their homes to them and so I'll I'll just homes to them and so I'll I'll just homes to them and so I'll I'll just share with you that even on a personal share with you that even on a personal share with you that even on a personal level you know it's it's really level you know it's it's really level you know it's it's really interesting because uh uh sometimes on interesting because uh uh sometimes on interesting because uh uh sometimes on on Twitter or wherever it is it'll be on Twitter or wherever it is it'll be on Twitter or wherever it is it'll be like go back home right why don't you go like go back home right why don't you go like go back home right why don't you go back home and I'm sitting there thinking back home and I'm sitting there thinking back home and I'm sitting there thinking to myself like to myself like to myself like sure you know my parents were driven sure you know my parents were driven sure you know my parents were driven from their homes yeah sure I was born in from their homes yeah sure I was born in from their homes yeah sure I was born in this country as a consequence of bad this country as a consequence of bad this country as a consequence of bad policy now I embrace my complic at policy now I embrace my complic at policy now I embrace my complic at identity in that regard and I hope to be identity in that regard and I hope to be identity in that regard and I hope to be productive as an American but I am a productive as an American but I am a productive as an American but I am a Palestinian and Palestinians in diaspora Palestinian and Palestinians in diaspora Palestinian and Palestinians in diaspora that have been fortunate enough to have that have been fortunate enough to have that have been fortunate enough to have the ability uh to build and to overcome the ability uh to build and to overcome the ability uh to build and to overcome circumstances should not be an excuse circumstances should not be an excuse circumstances should not be an excuse for eliminating the Palestinians that for eliminating the Palestinians that for eliminating the Palestinians that remain in their homes under that that remain in their homes under that that remain in their homes under that that torment so uh this bigotry is not new um torment so uh this bigotry is not new um torment so uh this bigotry is not new um unfortunately its manifestation is ugly unfortunately its manifestation is ugly unfortunately its manifestation is ugly and um you know we have to push back on and um you know we have to push back on and um you know we have to push back on it whenever it shows itself no matter it whenever it shows itself no matter it whenever it shows itself no matter who it's being spoken who it's being spoken who it's being spoken about how difficult has it been for about how difficult has it been for about how difficult has it been for people in Gaza to people in Gaza to people in Gaza to flee I mean they're blockaded from all flee I mean they're blockaded from all flee I mean they're blockaded from all directions there is nowhere for people directions there is nowhere for people directions there is nowhere for people in Gaza to go they cannot get out and um in Gaza to go they cannot get out and um in Gaza to go they cannot get out and um you know the reality is is that they

you know the reality is is that they you know the reality is is that they don't want to leave they do not want to don't want to leave they do not want to don't want to leave they do not want to leave the Palestinian people want to to leave the Palestinian people want to to leave the Palestinian people want to to live in their land in their live in their land in their live in their land in their homes and to continue to produce you homes and to continue to produce you homes and to continue to produce you know uh an extension of the beautiful know uh an extension of the beautiful know uh an extension of the beautiful culture and Legacy that was handed to culture and Legacy that was handed to culture and Legacy that was handed to them they don't want to leave in fact them they don't want to leave in fact them they don't want to leave in fact those that have fled for whatever reason those that have fled for whatever reason those that have fled for whatever reason or have been able to get out for medical or have been able to get out for medical or have been able to get out for medical treatment or because they have some sort treatment or because they have some sort treatment or because they have some sort of citizenship and other countries all of citizenship and other countries all of citizenship and other countries all they're talking about is going back and they're talking about is going back and they're talking about is going back and rebuilding you can't bomb Palestine out rebuilding you can't bomb Palestine out rebuilding you can't bomb Palestine out of our hearts you cannot starve of our hearts you cannot starve of our hearts you cannot starve Palestine out of our hearts I think Palestine out of our hearts I think Palestine out of our hearts I think that's a critical mistake that Israel is that's a critical mistake that Israel is that's a critical mistake that Israel is making and it thinks that if it destroys making and it thinks that if it destroys making and it thinks that if it destroys Gaza enough if it wipes out all the Gaza enough if it wipes out all the Gaza enough if it wipes out all the buildings that people will never want to buildings that people will never want to buildings that people will never want to come back we don't want to go anywhere come back we don't want to go anywhere come back we don't want to go anywhere as a Palestinian people you know in a as a Palestinian people you know in a as a Palestinian people you know in a way that would remove us from our homes way that would remove us from our homes way that would remove us from our homes the Palestinian people are proud people the Palestinian people are proud people the Palestinian people are proud people yeah you've met a lot of them right when yeah you've met a lot of them right when yeah you've met a lot of them right when you sat with uh Muhammad Al Kor people you sat with uh Muhammad Al Kor people you sat with uh Muhammad Al Kor people in East Jerusalem what those people have in East Jerusalem what those people have in East Jerusalem what those people have been subjected to you know the been subjected to you know the been subjected to you know the harassment like think about the the the harassment like think about the the the harassment like think about the the the tenacity and the character that it takes tenacity and the character that it takes tenacity and the character that it takes to still try to walk back into your home to still try to walk back into your home to still try to walk back into your home after an intruder has been brought in by after an intruder has been brought in by after an intruder has been brought in by the state that sitting in your living

the state that sitting in your living the state that sitting in your living room that is pushing you around and room that is pushing you around and room that is pushing you around and you're saying I'm not leaving my home you're saying I'm not leaving my home you're saying I'm not leaving my home this is literally what's been happening this is literally what's been happening this is literally what's been happening in East in East in East Jerusalem and we're not going anywhere I Jerusalem and we're not going anywhere I Jerusalem and we're not going anywhere I think those of us that are in diaspora think those of us that are in diaspora think those of us that are in diaspora Palestine is not leaving our hearts and Palestine is not leaving our hearts and Palestine is not leaving our hearts and those of us that are still there are not those of us that are still there are not those of us that are still there are not leaving their land and the world has to leaving their land and the world has to leaving their land and the world has to make the occupier more accountable not make the occupier more accountable not make the occupier more accountable not tell the occupied how to tell the occupied how to tell the occupied how to cope do you ever imagine that if your cope do you ever imagine that if your cope do you ever imagine that if your family did not flee and you were now family did not flee and you were now family did not flee and you were now living living living in in say in in in say in in in say in Gaza what you would be Gaza what you would be Gaza what you would be doing I think about what could have been all the about what could have been all the time you know I actually mentioned this time you know I actually mentioned this time you know I actually mentioned this in the first uh DC in the first uh DC in the first uh DC protest that I remember getting a protest that I remember getting a protest that I remember getting a notification a news notification a news notification a news notification um just prior to notification um just prior to notification um just prior to October with my name in it you know so I October with my name in it you know so I October with my name in it you know so I always get these notifications right if always get these notifications right if always get these notifications right if my name's been mentioned in article my name's been mentioned in article my name's been mentioned in article and so oh your name's mentioned in an and so oh your name's mentioned in an and so oh your name's mentioned in an article and it was a 16-year-old omaran article and it was a 16-year-old omaran article and it was a 16-year-old omaran who was murdered in the West who was murdered in the West who was murdered in the West Bank he literally had my name I held up Bank he literally had my name I held up Bank he literally had my name I held up his picture and I realized that could his picture and I realized that could his picture and I realized that could have been me so I think of why God chose have been me so I think of why God chose have been me so I think of why God chose me to not be me to not be me to not be there and hopefully him there and hopefully him there and hopefully him choosing all of us that are not there to

choosing all of us that are not there to choosing all of us that are not there to be for those that are still there to be be for those that are still there to be be for those that are still there to be their their their voices I'm grateful and I'm also in pain voices I'm grateful and I'm also in pain voices I'm grateful and I'm also in pain I'm grateful for the I'm grateful for the I'm grateful for the opportunity to be able to speak on their opportunity to be able to speak on their opportunity to be able to speak on their behalf but I'm also guilty that they behalf but I'm also guilty that they behalf but I'm also guilty that they have to bear the brunt of this evil have to bear the brunt of this evil have to bear the brunt of this evil hatred that unfortunately displaced our hatred that unfortunately displaced our hatred that unfortunately displaced our parents in the first parents in the first parents in the first place you mentioned that Palestinians place you mentioned that Palestinians place you mentioned that Palestinians invoke the plight of indigenous people invoke the plight of indigenous people invoke the plight of indigenous people like Native like Native like Native Americans what works and doesn't work Americans what works and doesn't work Americans what works and doesn't work about this analogy so I think that about this analogy so I think that about this analogy so I think that there's a powerful connection between there's a powerful connection between there's a powerful connection between the Palestinian people and the the Palestinian people and the the Palestinian people and the indigenous and this land and in other indigenous and this land and in other indigenous and this land and in other places um that have been places um that have been places um that have been wronged uh we are living here in the wronged uh we are living here in the wronged uh we are living here in the United States on Stolen lands that is United States on Stolen lands that is United States on Stolen lands that is drenched in the blood of the drenched in the blood of the drenched in the blood of the natives and that was built upon uh with natives and that was built upon uh with natives and that was built upon uh with the Blood Sweat and labor of enslaved the Blood Sweat and labor of enslaved the Blood Sweat and labor of enslaved Africans that were brought from Africans that were brought from Africans that were brought from overseas so overseas so overseas so great evil that we have to reckon with great evil that we have to reckon with great evil that we have to reckon with constantly and so I think that's the constantly and so I think that's the constantly and so I think that's the power of solidarity and you know if you power of solidarity and you know if you power of solidarity and you know if you look in Canada and you look in places look in Canada and you look in places look in Canada and you look in places like like like Australia uh there has been a refocus on Australia uh there has been a refocus on Australia uh there has been a refocus on the crimes against the indigenous of the crimes against the indigenous of the crimes against the indigenous of those places I think that what those places I think that what those places I think that what makes the Palestinian plight makes the Palestinian plight makes the Palestinian plight um deeply painful and maybe where the um deeply painful and maybe where the um deeply painful and maybe where the analogy uh even doesn't do J

analogy uh even doesn't do J analogy uh even doesn't do J Justice is that from the river to the Justice is that from the river to the Justice is that from the river to the sea is less than 500 times what the sea is less than 500 times what the sea is less than 500 times what the United States is in terms of land it's United States is in terms of land it's United States is in terms of land it's not that big of a piece of land and so not that big of a piece of land and so not that big of a piece of land and so the original lie the original lie the original lie was a land without a people for a people was a land without a people for a people was a land without a people for a people without a land and the problem was that without a land and the problem was that without a land and the problem was that there were people on that land that were there were people on that land that were there were people on that land that were forcibly removed so I think that the forcibly removed so I think that the forcibly removed so I think that the sheer size right we're talking about a sheer size right we're talking about a sheer size right we're talking about a tiny piece of land and a lot of people tiny piece of land and a lot of people tiny piece of land and a lot of people that were uh removed uh forcefully from that were uh removed uh forcefully from that were uh removed uh forcefully from their land and uh that continue to be their land and uh that continue to be their land and uh that continue to be brutalized under those miserable brutalized under those miserable brutalized under those miserable conditions why is conditions why is conditions why is Palestine a special place a holy Palestine a special place a holy Palestine a special place a holy land it's the land of prophets it is uh land it's the land of prophets it is uh land it's the land of prophets it is uh a land that holds deep significance a land that holds deep significance a land that holds deep significance obviously to uh Jews Christians and obviously to uh Jews Christians and obviously to uh Jews Christians and Muslims it's the land of Abraham peace Muslims it's the land of Abraham peace Muslims it's the land of Abraham peace be upon him it is the land that has such be upon him it is the land that has such be upon him it is the land that has such a rich history to it that connects a rich history to it that connects a rich history to it that connects multiple peoples in multiple ways it's multiple peoples in multiple ways it's multiple peoples in multiple ways it's precious I think that precious I think that precious I think that history while it tells the story of history while it tells the story of history while it tells the story of tragedy and and and struggle over that tragedy and and and struggle over that tragedy and and and struggle over that piece of land also tells a beautiful piece of land also tells a beautiful piece of land also tells a beautiful story of story of story of sanctity so you mentioned Abraham sanctity so you mentioned Abraham sanctity so you mentioned Abraham prophets uh Prophet Muhammad is deeply prophets uh Prophet Muhammad is deeply prophets uh Prophet Muhammad is deeply venerated in Islam obviously but other

venerated in Islam obviously but other venerated in Islam obviously but other prophets are as well Jesus being one of prophets are as well Jesus being one of prophets are as well Jesus being one of them um what are the similarities and them um what are the similarities and them um what are the similarities and differences in the teachings from differences in the teachings from differences in the teachings from these two these two these two prophets well Islam refers to this idea prophets well Islam refers to this idea prophets well Islam refers to this idea of submission to one God and attaining of submission to one God and attaining of submission to one God and attaining peace in the process and refers to the peace in the process and refers to the peace in the process and refers to the way of way of way of life that prophets have all come with life that prophets have all come with life that prophets have all come with which is this idea of which is this idea of which is this idea of monotheism and serving that one God in monotheism and serving that one God in monotheism and serving that one God in the way that he commands you to serve the way that he commands you to serve the way that he commands you to serve him uh so to us uh as it says in the him uh so to us uh as it says in the him uh so to us uh as it says in the Quran that we do not distinguish between Quran that we do not distinguish between Quran that we do not distinguish between the prophets all the prophets came with the prophets all the prophets came with the prophets all the prophets came with one message One mission uh there's a one message One mission uh there's a one message One mission uh there's a coherence in the Creed there's a beauty coherence in the Creed there's a beauty coherence in the Creed there's a beauty in the foundation of what would become in the foundation of what would become in the foundation of what would become the legislation of each of those the legislation of each of those the legislation of each of those prophets and we see them all as siblings prophets and we see them all as siblings prophets and we see them all as siblings in prophethood in prophethood in prophethood and so we say Abraham peace be upon him and so we say Abraham peace be upon him and so we say Abraham peace be upon him we say Jesus peace be upon him we say we say Jesus peace be upon him we say we say Jesus peace be upon him we say Moses peace be upon him we say Muhammad Moses peace be upon him we say Muhammad Moses peace be upon him we say Muhammad peace be upon him we believe that Moses peace be upon him we believe that Moses peace be upon him we believe that Moses came to confirm what came from Abraham came to confirm what came from Abraham came to confirm what came from Abraham Jesus came to confirm what came from Jesus came to confirm what came from Jesus came to confirm what came from Moses Muhammad came to confirm what came Moses Muhammad came to confirm what came Moses Muhammad came to confirm what came from Jesus they upheld the same message from Jesus they upheld the same message from Jesus they upheld the same message God did not change over time uh nor did God did not change over time uh nor did God did not change over time uh nor did the centrality of his message of the centrality of his message of the centrality of his message of monotheism change over time and so uh to monotheism change over time and so uh to monotheism change over time and so uh to us it's one beautiful house uh uh us it's one beautiful house uh uh us it's one beautiful house uh uh there's a saying from the prophet

there's a saying from the prophet there's a saying from the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him where he Muhammad peace be upon him where he Muhammad peace be upon him where he describes the house of prophethood each describes the house of prophethood each describes the house of prophethood each Prophet being a brick and him simply Prophet being a brick and him simply Prophet being a brick and him simply being the last brick of a beautiful being the last brick of a beautiful being the last brick of a beautiful house and so we love the prophets of God house and so we love the prophets of God house and so we love the prophets of God and we believe that they each came with and we believe that they each came with and we believe that they each came with the legislation that was necessary for the legislation that was necessary for the legislation that was necessary for the time but with the same the time but with the same the time but with the same message so the messages fundamentally message so the messages fundamentally message so the messages fundamentally the same is there a difference in the same is there a difference in the same is there a difference in emphasis for example the emphasis on emphasis for example the emphasis on emphasis for example the emphasis on Love With Jesus yeah yeah you know this Love With Jesus yeah yeah you know this Love With Jesus yeah yeah you know this is it's like when you talk about MLK and is it's like when you talk about MLK and is it's like when you talk about MLK and Malcolm to an extent ex except there was Malcolm to an extent ex except there was Malcolm to an extent ex except there was actually some difference right between actually some difference right between actually some difference right between MLK and Malcolm yes uh you know I just MLK and Malcolm yes uh you know I just MLK and Malcolm yes uh you know I just think that the difference is exaggerated think that the difference is exaggerated think that the difference is exaggerated between them but um I I don't think that between them but um I I don't think that between them but um I I don't think that Moses didn't emphasize love but Jesus Moses didn't emphasize love but Jesus Moses didn't emphasize love but Jesus emphasized love and then Muhammad didn't emphasized love and then Muhammad didn't emphasized love and then Muhammad didn't emphasize love peace be upon them all I emphasize love peace be upon them all I emphasize love peace be upon them all I think that they each think that they each think that they each emphasized um the the same attributes emphasized um the the same attributes emphasized um the the same attributes and and names of God and and ways of and and names of God and and ways of and and names of God and and ways of knowing god knowing god knowing god uh but there were of course changes uh but there were of course changes uh but there were of course changes within legislation changes within uh the within legislation changes within uh the within legislation changes within uh the Divine Law but the Divine Spirit uh Divine Law but the Divine Spirit uh Divine Law but the Divine Spirit uh remain the same and so I don't I don't remain the same and so I don't I don't remain the same and so I don't I don't see them as being counter uh to each see them as being counter uh to each see them as being counter uh to each other uh nor do I see that any Prophet other uh nor do I see that any Prophet other uh nor do I see that any Prophet um betrayed the message that came before um betrayed the message that came before um betrayed the message that came before them I think they're all part of the them I think they're all part of the them I think they're all part of the same beautiful same beautiful same beautiful message that we have to be at Harmony message that we have to be at Harmony message that we have to be at Harmony with our creator and that we turn with our creator and that we turn with our creator and that we turn towards him for our guidance towards him for our guidance towards him for our guidance and that when we do so uh we establish

and that when we do so uh we establish and that when we do so uh we establish uh a greater uh a greater existence here uh a greater uh a greater existence here uh a greater uh a greater existence here on Earth and so I think that that's on Earth and so I think that that's on Earth and so I think that that's something that's consistent throughout something that's consistent throughout something that's consistent throughout the message of all the prophets you have the message of all the prophets you have the message of all the prophets you have been longtime friends with and had been longtime friends with and had been longtime friends with and had amazing conversations with people of amazing conversations with people of amazing conversations with people of other other other faiths faiths faiths Christian Christian Christian Jewish how has uh the events of October Jewish how has uh the events of October Jewish how has uh the events of October 7th and the days after affected this in 7th and the days after affected this in 7th and the days after affected this in the United States your ability to have the United States your ability to have the United States your ability to have Interfaith Interfaith Interfaith conversations connections relationships conversations connections relationships conversations connections relationships friendships complicated very friendships complicated very friendships complicated very complicated um and it's not just Muslims complicated um and it's not just Muslims complicated um and it's not just Muslims and Jews it's also Christian Zionist uh and Jews it's also Christian Zionist uh and Jews it's also Christian Zionist uh Christian Zionism is at the root of the Christian Zionism is at the root of the Christian Zionism is at the root of the problem in my opinion especially when we problem in my opinion especially when we problem in my opinion especially when we talk about what drives uh America's talk about what drives uh America's talk about what drives uh America's unshakable unconditional commitment to unshakable unconditional commitment to unshakable unconditional commitment to to Israel to Israel to Israel um it's um it's um it's devastating I think to Palestinian devastating I think to Palestinian devastating I think to Palestinian Christians in Christians in Christians in particular when Israel can bomb some of particular when Israel can bomb some of particular when Israel can bomb some of the oldest churches of Christianity in the oldest churches of Christianity in the oldest churches of Christianity in Gaza and kill Palestinian Christians and Gaza and kill Palestinian Christians and Gaza and kill Palestinian Christians and Palestinian Christians are barred from Palestinian Christians are barred from Palestinian Christians are barred from going to the holy supper or to their going to the holy supper or to their going to the holy supper or to their places of worship in Bethlehem or places of worship in Bethlehem or places of worship in Bethlehem or Jerusalem and Christians here in the Jerusalem and Christians here in the Jerusalem and Christians here in the United States turn their back on them I United States turn their back on them I United States turn their back on them I think that it is particularly outrageous think that it is particularly outrageous think that it is particularly outrageous so it's complic at um look I I I expect

so it's complic at um look I I I expect so it's complic at um look I I I expect more from people in the face of a more from people in the face of a more from people in the face of a genocide we don't have to agree on all genocide we don't have to agree on all genocide we don't have to agree on all the the the particulars but we can agree that what particulars but we can agree that what particulars but we can agree that what is happening is morally outrageous and is happening is morally outrageous and is happening is morally outrageous and so I think that so I think that so I think that um I've had a few people that have um I've had a few people that have um I've had a few people that have reached out and said I want to say reached out and said I want to say reached out and said I want to say something but I something but I something but I can't and I've had to respond with can't and I've had to respond with can't and I've had to respond with that's not good enough so I think that that's not good enough so I think that that's not good enough so I think that we have a we have a problem and instead we have a we have a problem and instead we have a we have a problem and instead of focusing on that problem I'd like to of focusing on that problem I'd like to of focusing on that problem I'd like to focus on the more morally consistent focus on the more morally consistent focus on the more morally consistent voices across Fates that have risen to voices across Fates that have risen to voices across Fates that have risen to the moment rather than those that have the moment rather than those that have the moment rather than those that have failed so you wish more rabbis would be failed so you wish more rabbis would be failed so you wish more rabbis would be able to have a conversation like we're able to have a conversation like we're able to have a conversation like we're having having having today and today and today and also not allow it to be also not allow it to be also not allow it to be seen as them turning their back on their seen as them turning their back on their seen as them turning their back on their religion rabbis pastors um religion rabbis pastors um religion rabbis pastors um again it's not just you know Jewish again it's not just you know Jewish again it's not just you know Jewish leadership it's also Christian leadership it's also Christian leadership it's also Christian leadership I think that it's important leadership I think that it's important leadership I think that it's important for those that have claimed to be allies for those that have claimed to be allies for those that have claimed to be allies in the fight against islamophobia to see in the fight against islamophobia to see in the fight against islamophobia to see that you cannot be opposed to that you cannot be opposed to that you cannot be opposed to islamophobia while also extending islamophobia while also extending islamophobia while also extending anti-palestinian anti-palestinian anti-palestinian bigotry yeah one of the things since we bigotry yeah one of the things since we bigotry yeah one of the things since we last spoke I got to me a lot of last spoke I got to me a lot of last spoke I got to me a lot of Palestinian Palestinian Palestinian Christians including in West Bank and Christians including in West Bank and Christians including in West Bank and that was fascinating and those are that was fascinating and those are that was fascinating and those are beautiful people I I think people should beautiful people I I think people should beautiful people I I think people should watch Reverend unus Hawk's uh sermon on

watch Reverend unus Hawk's uh sermon on watch Reverend unus Hawk's uh sermon on Christmas Jesus in the Christmas Jesus in the Christmas Jesus in the reubel it was deeply profound you know I reubel it was deeply profound you know I reubel it was deeply profound you know I I had a chance to speak to Mitri rahb uh I had a chance to speak to Mitri rahb uh I had a chance to speak to Mitri rahb uh from the Lutheran Church there as from the Lutheran Church there as from the Lutheran Church there as well no they're devastated you know I it well no they're devastated you know I it well no they're devastated you know I it was eye opening to many people here when was eye opening to many people here when was eye opening to many people here when when Justin Amish who was a republican when Justin Amish who was a republican when Justin Amish who was a republican Congressman right Palestinian Christian Congressman right Palestinian Christian Congressman right Palestinian Christian Republican Congressman posted about his Republican Congressman posted about his Republican Congressman posted about his own family dying in one of the church own family dying in one of the church own family dying in one of the church bombings uh so it's it's strange strange bombings uh so it's it's strange strange bombings uh so it's it's strange strange times and I think that it shows that the times and I think that it shows that the times and I think that it shows that the philosophy of hate that philosophy of hate that philosophy of hate that drives this terrible policy uh is drives this terrible policy uh is drives this terrible policy uh is secular at its root and not secular at its root and not secular at its root and not religious one of the religious one of the religious one of the criticisms of criticisms of criticisms of Islam points to specific verses of the Islam points to specific verses of the Islam points to specific verses of the Quran and the criticism being that it is Quran and the criticism being that it is Quran and the criticism being that it is not a religion of Peace can you speak to not a religion of Peace can you speak to not a religion of Peace can you speak to that so objectively speaking if you were that so objectively speaking if you were that so objectively speaking if you were to take the verses of the Quran about to take the verses of the Quran about to take the verses of the Quran about violence and compare them just from a violence and compare them just from a violence and compare them just from a purely percentage based comparison to purely percentage based comparison to purely percentage based comparison to the New Testament and the Old Testament the New Testament and the Old Testament the New Testament and the Old Testament you would find less verses about war in you would find less verses about war in you would find less verses about war in the Quran than the Old Testament or the the Quran than the Old Testament or the the Quran than the Old Testament or the New Testament and there are plenty of New Testament and there are plenty of New Testament and there are plenty of studies to speak to that deeper than studies to speak to that deeper than studies to speak to that deeper than that contextualizing the birth of Islam that contextualizing the birth of Islam that contextualizing the birth of Islam the revelation of the Quran which was the revelation of the Quran which was the revelation of the Quran which was over 23

over 23 over 23 years in response to deep persecution of years in response to deep persecution of years in response to deep persecution of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him makes it very clear that none of those makes it very clear that none of those makes it very clear that none of those verses are what they've been made out to verses are what they've been made out to verses are what they've been made out to be if Muslims believed that they had to be if Muslims believed that they had to be if Muslims believed that they had to kill people wherever they are uh mankind kill people wherever they are uh mankind kill people wherever they are uh mankind would not exist there are two billion of would not exist there are two billion of would not exist there are two billion of us right if if we believe that we were us right if if we believe that we were us right if if we believe that we were called by the Quran to hurt people and called by the Quran to hurt people and called by the Quran to hurt people and to kill people uh simply for being to kill people uh simply for being to kill people uh simply for being non-believers right it non-believers right it non-believers right it would not make for a sustainable world would not make for a sustainable world would not make for a sustainable world so Islam is not violent and I think that so Islam is not violent and I think that so Islam is not violent and I think that the history of Muslims also Bears the history of Muslims also Bears the history of Muslims also Bears witness to that the history of Islam is witness to that the history of Islam is witness to that the history of Islam is a history of contribution is a history a history of contribution is a history a history of contribution is a history of building is a history of medicine and of building is a history of medicine and of building is a history of medicine and science and science and science and math and of course Muslims have math and of course Muslims have math and of course Muslims have sometimes times fallen short of Islamic sometimes times fallen short of Islamic sometimes times fallen short of Islamic standards in the past and in the present standards in the past and in the present standards in the past and in the present but if you look at the overall history but if you look at the overall history but if you look at the overall history of Islam and the history of the Muslim of Islam and the history of the Muslim of Islam and the history of the Muslim Community that's not the case and when Community that's not the case and when Community that's not the case and when you look at the you look at the you look at the present you know uh Muslim Community present you know uh Muslim Community present you know uh Muslim Community around the world Muslims do not account around the world Muslims do not account around the world Muslims do not account for a greater proportion of violence for a greater proportion of violence for a greater proportion of violence than other Faith communities and again than other Faith communities and again than other Faith communities and again the word terrorist uh is a functionless the word terrorist uh is a functionless the word terrorist uh is a functionless and meaningless word because uh to me it and meaningless word because uh to me it and meaningless word because uh to me it no less violent if it's commanded by a no less violent if it's commanded by a no less violent if it's commanded by a head of state or by a head of state or by a head of state or by a government uh than by a non-state actor

government uh than by a non-state actor government uh than by a non-state actor so Muslims do not account for a greater so Muslims do not account for a greater so Muslims do not account for a greater portion of violence now nor have they portion of violence now nor have they portion of violence now nor have they accounted for a greater portion of accounted for a greater portion of accounted for a greater portion of violence in the past why do you think violence in the past why do you think violence in the past why do you think these narratives have taken hold in these narratives have taken hold in these narratives have taken hold in present discourse at least in in the present discourse at least in in the present discourse at least in in the United States because they allow for United States because they allow for United States because they allow for greater violence against the Muslim greater violence against the Muslim greater violence against the Muslim Community domestically and abroad the Community domestically and abroad the Community domestically and abroad the United States has launched Wars against United States has launched Wars against United States has launched Wars against primarily Muslim countries right and has primarily Muslim countries right and has primarily Muslim countries right and has a particularly violent foreign policy a particularly violent foreign policy a particularly violent foreign policy towards the Muslim world and the Muslim towards the Muslim world and the Muslim towards the Muslim world and the Muslim Community here in the United States has Community here in the United States has Community here in the United States has dealt with unfortunately multiple dealt with unfortunately multiple dealt with unfortunately multiple aggressive aggressive aggressive iterations of programs of suppression iterations of programs of suppression iterations of programs of suppression and surveillance under Republican and and surveillance under Republican and and surveillance under Republican and Democratic administrations and so Democratic administrations and so Democratic administrations and so there's a convenience to that there's a convenience to that there's a convenience to that islamophobia there's a convenience to islamophobia there's a convenience to islamophobia there's a convenience to that framing of the Muslim Community that framing of the Muslim Community that framing of the Muslim Community that also distracts from other forms of that also distracts from other forms of that also distracts from other forms of violence that are deeply pervasive and violence that are deeply pervasive and violence that are deeply pervasive and present including the ones that are present including the ones that are present including the ones that are committed by the government committed by the government committed by the government itself if it's okay you've mentioned the itself if it's okay you've mentioned the itself if it's okay you've mentioned the alaxa mosque a couple of times I would alaxa mosque a couple of times I would alaxa mosque a couple of times I would love it if you can describe why it is love it if you can describe why it is love it if you can describe why it is such an important such an important such an important place a holy place for Muslims in place a holy place for Muslims in place a holy place for Muslims in general but also for this particular general but also for this particular general but also for this particular crisis that we have been speaking about crisis that we have been speaking about crisis that we have been speaking about today so Muslims honor the history of today so Muslims honor the history of today so Muslims honor the history of all of the prophets right so all of the all of the prophets right so all of the all of the prophets right so all of the prophets that have walked in that place prophets that have walked in that place prophets that have walked in that place all the prophets that have worshiped in all the prophets that have worshiped in all the prophets that have worshiped in that place all of that makes it sacred

that place all of that makes it sacred that place all of that makes it sacred right so it's not separated for Muslims right so it's not separated for Muslims right so it's not separated for Muslims from uh you know post Muhammad peace be from uh you know post Muhammad peace be from uh you know post Muhammad peace be upon Him versus prior to Muhammad peace upon Him versus prior to Muhammad peace upon Him versus prior to Muhammad peace be upon him in terms of the sanctity of be upon him in terms of the sanctity of be upon him in terms of the sanctity of that place so we honor it and UHA in that place so we honor it and UHA in that place so we honor it and UHA in particular is the place where the particular is the place where the particular is the place where the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon Him leads Prophet Muhammad peace be upon Him leads Prophet Muhammad peace be upon Him leads the other prophets in prayer in the the other prophets in prayer in the the other prophets in prayer in the night of what's known as the night night of what's known as the night night of what's known as the night journey of the Prophet peace be upon him journey of the Prophet peace be upon him journey of the Prophet peace be upon him and then he ascends to the heavens and and then he ascends to the heavens and and then he ascends to the heavens and back and it's also the first which is back and it's also the first which is back and it's also the first which is the first uh place of direction of the first uh place of direction of the first uh place of direction of prayer for us so before Muslims faced prayer for us so before Muslims faced prayer for us so before Muslims faced Mecca in prayer for the first half of Mecca in prayer for the first half of Mecca in prayer for the first half of Islam they actually faced towards Islam they actually faced towards Islam they actually faced towards Jerusalem in their prayer it was our Jerusalem in their prayer it was our Jerusalem in their prayer it was our direction of prayer and it remained a direction of prayer and it remained a direction of prayer and it remained a fundamental part of our faith uh fundamental part of our faith uh fundamental part of our faith uh fundamental holy Sanctuary there are fundamental holy Sanctuary there are fundamental holy Sanctuary there are three sanctuaries in Islam Mecca Medina three sanctuaries in Islam Mecca Medina three sanctuaries in Islam Mecca Medina and Jerusalem and M AA is precious to us and Jerusalem and M AA is precious to us and Jerusalem and M AA is precious to us and so you can imagine then the pain of and so you can imagine then the pain of and so you can imagine then the pain of watching you know innocent Palestinian watching you know innocent Palestinian watching you know innocent Palestinian worshippers being stomped on by Israeli worshippers being stomped on by Israeli worshippers being stomped on by Israeli soldiers or skunk water being sprayed on soldiers or skunk water being sprayed on soldiers or skunk water being sprayed on people as they're trying to walk in or people as they're trying to walk in or people as they're trying to walk in or uh you know tear gassing taking place in uh you know tear gassing taking place in uh you know tear gassing taking place in the nights of Ramadan uh in that place the nights of Ramadan uh in that place the nights of Ramadan uh in that place the restrictions on people that live the restrictions on people that live the restrictions on people that live right next to it and that cannot pray in right next to it and that cannot pray in right next to it and that cannot pray in it uh due to the certain classification it uh due to the certain classification it uh due to the certain classification of Palestinian that they've been given of Palestinian that they've been given of Palestinian that they've been given or the age right because uh generally

or the age right because uh generally or the age right because uh generally speaking if you're younger you're not speaking if you're younger you're not speaking if you're younger you're not allowed to go to Mas AA uh even if you allowed to go to Mas AA uh even if you allowed to go to Mas AA uh even if you live within the occupied territories so live within the occupied territories so live within the occupied territories so it's it's tough to watch such a sacred it's it's tough to watch such a sacred it's it's tough to watch such a sacred place with such an ugly place with such an ugly place with such an ugly occupation but I'll also say this that occupation but I'll also say this that occupation but I'll also say this that the sanctity of a human being the the sanctity of a human being the the sanctity of a human being the sanctity of just one person is greater sanctity of just one person is greater sanctity of just one person is greater than the sanctity of any place of than the sanctity of any place of than the sanctity of any place of worship to us so the sanctity of one worship to us so the sanctity of one worship to us so the sanctity of one individual in Gaza or one individual in individual in Gaza or one individual in individual in Gaza or one individual in Jerusalem is greater to us than the Jerusalem is greater to us than the Jerusalem is greater to us than the sanctity of a place of worship but it is sanctity of a place of worship but it is sanctity of a place of worship but it is all certainly interconnected that's a all certainly interconnected that's a all certainly interconnected that's a really powerful idea the value of a really powerful idea the value of a really powerful idea the value of a human human human being is greater than even the alox of being is greater than even the alox of being is greater than even the alox of musque so that that's a foundational musque so that that's a foundational musque so that that's a foundational idea for Islam the prophet Muhammad idea for Islam the prophet Muhammad idea for Islam the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him uh says to to the Caba peace be upon him uh says to to the Caba peace be upon him uh says to to the Caba itself that the value itself that the value itself that the value of a believer's dignity and honor is of a believer's dignity and honor is of a believer's dignity and honor is greater than the value of the structure greater than the value of the structure greater than the value of the structure itself and so when I itself and so when I itself and so when I see a person in Gaza aggressed upon when see a person in Gaza aggressed upon when see a person in Gaza aggressed upon when I see one when I see one child that's I see one when I see one child that's I see one when I see one child that's greater to me than even ala but Al is at greater to me than even ala but Al is at greater to me than even ala but Al is at the heart of who we are uh as well and the heart of who we are uh as well and the heart of who we are uh as well and it's certainly at the heart of uh the it's certainly at the heart of uh the it's certainly at the heart of uh the Palestinian cause it's a place of Palestinian cause it's a place of Palestinian cause it's a place of prophets and it's a place that should be prophets and it's a place that should be prophets and it's a place that should be treated treated treated prophetically you mentioned to me that

prophetically you mentioned to me that prophetically you mentioned to me that since October 7th a lot of young people since October 7th a lot of young people since October 7th a lot of young people in the United States and in general have in the United States and in general have in the United States and in general have been showing interest in been showing interest in been showing interest in Islam first of all can you explain what Islam first of all can you explain what Islam first of all can you explain what you've been seeing and experiencing uh you've been seeing and experiencing uh you've been seeing and experiencing uh in terms of that Trend yeah we have in terms of that Trend yeah we have in terms of that Trend yeah we have Quran Tik Tock Trends uh where you had a Quran Tik Tock Trends uh where you had a Quran Tik Tock Trends uh where you had a few people that went on camera and said few people that went on camera and said few people that went on camera and said you know I'm reading the Quran for the you know I'm reading the Quran for the you know I'm reading the Quran for the first time and I think that first time and I think that first time and I think that that's the beauty of the faith of the that's the beauty of the faith of the that's the beauty of the faith of the people of Gaza the beauty of their people of Gaza the beauty of their people of Gaza the beauty of their resilience you know when you're looking resilience you know when you're looking resilience you know when you're looking at these people living what's hell on at these people living what's hell on at these people living what's hell on Earth but they're seeking Paradise Earth but they're seeking Paradise Earth but they're seeking Paradise outside and they're able to still be outside and they're able to still be outside and they're able to still be inspired towards words of of faith and inspired towards words of of faith and inspired towards words of of faith and determination and certainty you're like determination and certainty you're like determination and certainty you're like what is their secret right what are they what is their secret right what are they what is their secret right what are they reading what are they on that allows reading what are they on that allows reading what are they on that allows them uh to still face this brutality them uh to still face this brutality them uh to still face this brutality with such Grace right I mean they're not with such Grace right I mean they're not with such Grace right I mean they're not shouting profanities they're not shouting profanities they're not shouting profanities they're not shouting um you know words of emptiness shouting um you know words of emptiness shouting um you know words of emptiness or despair but rather they are pouring or despair but rather they are pouring or despair but rather they are pouring out their hearts that are full of faith out their hearts that are full of faith out their hearts that are full of faith for the world to see and I think that a for the world to see and I think that a for the world to see and I think that a lot of people have seen that and said lot of people have seen that and said lot of people have seen that and said what is that and so um you know we've what is that and so um you know we've what is that and so um you know we've had multiple people come to the mosque had multiple people come to the mosque had multiple people come to the mosque I've never seen more people um become I've never seen more people um become I've never seen more people um become Muslim in my life but not just that an Muslim in my life but not just that an Muslim in my life but not just that an appreciation for Islam like what type of appreciation for Islam like what type of appreciation for Islam like what type of an engineering is there you know that an engineering is there you know that an engineering is there you know that that allows for people to have that type that allows for people to have that type that allows for people to have that type of Faith uh so people are opening the

of Faith uh so people are opening the of Faith uh so people are opening the Quran for the first time people are Quran for the first time people are Quran for the first time people are asking questions about Islam and a way asking questions about Islam and a way asking questions about Islam and a way that shows that they're inspired uh even that shows that they're inspired uh even that shows that they're inspired uh even though they're heartbroken by what though they're heartbroken by what though they're heartbroken by what they're seeing what's a good way to get they're seeing what's a good way to get they're seeing what's a good way to get introduced to Islam the the faith the introduced to Islam the the faith the introduced to Islam the the faith the the spiritual experience of it the spiritual experience of it the spiritual experience of it well I think look you go to uh you know well I think look you go to uh you know well I think look you go to uh you know our websites you go to whyislam.org you our websites you go to whyislam.org you our websites you go to whyislam.org you go to you come to yakin's website y.org go to you come to yakin's website y.org go to you come to yakin's website y.org you go to multiple Islamic you go to multiple Islamic you go to multiple Islamic websites to get those questions answered websites to get those questions answered websites to get those questions answered but there's nothing like going to a but there's nothing like going to a but there's nothing like going to a mosque there's nothing like actually mosque there's nothing like actually mosque there's nothing like actually going to a mosque and meeting Muslims going to a mosque and meeting Muslims going to a mosque and meeting Muslims and asking and asking and asking questions and I tell people like you questions and I tell people like you questions and I tell people like you have to step out of your comfort zone have to step out of your comfort zone have to step out of your comfort zone and go there and let your world be and go there and let your world be and go there and let your world be complicated a bit experience it listen complicated a bit experience it listen complicated a bit experience it listen to the sermon meet people from different to the sermon meet people from different to the sermon meet people from different backgrounds and ask questions Muslims backgrounds and ask questions Muslims backgrounds and ask questions Muslims love to be asked by the way about their love to be asked by the way about their love to be asked by the way about their faith because they're so sick of hearing faith because they're so sick of hearing faith because they're so sick of hearing other people talk about it so Muslims other people talk about it so Muslims other people talk about it so Muslims love to be asked about their faith love to be asked about their faith love to be asked about their faith Palestinians love to be asked about Palestinians love to be asked about Palestinians love to be asked about Palestine because they're so sick of Palestine because they're so sick of Palestine because they're so sick of other people talking about it so uh ask other people talking about it so uh ask other people talking about it so uh ask questions and uh you will have them questions and uh you will have them questions and uh you will have them answered but there's nothing like a answered but there's nothing like a answered but there's nothing like a physical connection there's nothing like physical connection there's nothing like physical connection there's nothing like a human connection so definitely try to a human connection so definitely try to a human connection so definitely try to reach out to your local Islamic reach out to your local Islamic reach out to your local Islamic organizations and meet people how organizations and meet people how organizations and meet people how difficult is it to convert to Islam

difficult is it to convert to Islam difficult is it to convert to Islam takes 20 seconds takes 20 seconds takes 20 seconds man okay what's what's involved simple man okay what's what's involved simple man okay what's what's involved simple enough you you you you you testify to enough you you you you you testify to enough you you you you you testify to the one there's no pool there's no the one there's no pool there's no the one there's no pool there's no baptism like I I often joke with people baptism like I I often joke with people baptism like I I often joke with people I'm like all right we got the pool in I'm like all right we got the pool in I'm like all right we got the pool in the back we're going to do the baptism the back we're going to do the baptism the back we're going to do the baptism now um you know uh it's it's literally now um you know uh it's it's literally now um you know uh it's it's literally um testifying to the Oneness of God and um testifying to the Oneness of God and um testifying to the Oneness of God and testifying that Muhammad uh is his final testifying that Muhammad uh is his final testifying that Muhammad uh is his final messenger and so that's called the messenger and so that's called the messenger and so that's called the shahada and when you testify to the shahada and when you testify to the shahada and when you testify to the Oneness of God and to uh the prophet Oneness of God and to uh the prophet Oneness of God and to uh the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him being his Muhammad peace be upon him being his Muhammad peace be upon him being his final Prophet you are accepting what's final Prophet you are accepting what's final Prophet you are accepting what's known as the six articles of Faith six known as the six articles of Faith six known as the six articles of Faith six articles of Faith are belief in one God articles of Faith are belief in one God articles of Faith are belief in one God belief in the Angels belief in The belief in the Angels belief in The belief in the Angels belief in The Messengers so you can't be a Muslim Messengers so you can't be a Muslim Messengers so you can't be a Muslim without believing in Jesus or Moses or without believing in Jesus or Moses or without believing in Jesus or Moses or Abraham or Muhammad um to believe in the Abraham or Muhammad um to believe in the Abraham or Muhammad um to believe in the messages that God has spoken to humanity messages that God has spoken to humanity messages that God has spoken to humanity uh through divine revelation the Quran uh through divine revelation the Quran uh through divine revelation the Quran being the the last uh Revelation to being the the last uh Revelation to being the the last uh Revelation to believe in the day of judgment and to believe in the day of judgment and to believe in the day of judgment and to believe in Divine decree and believe in Divine decree and believe in Divine decree and predestination so those are six articles predestination so those are six articles predestination so those are six articles of Faith so when you testify um to the of Faith so when you testify um to the of Faith so when you testify um to the Oneness of God and to the prophet Oneness of God and to the prophet Oneness of God and to the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him being the Muhammad peace be upon him being the Muhammad peace be upon him being the final messenger that's called the final messenger that's called the final messenger that's called the shahada you embrace the package of those shahada you embrace the package of those shahada you embrace the package of those articles of Faith that's the implication articles of Faith that's the implication articles of Faith that's the implication then you learn the prayers you learn to then you learn the prayers you learn to then you learn the prayers you learn to fast in fast in fast in Ramadan um you give what's known as zaka

Ramadan um you give what's known as zaka Ramadan um you give what's known as zaka the mandatory charity 2.5% of your the mandatory charity 2.5% of your the mandatory charity 2.5% of your retained earnings and uh Hajj which is retained earnings and uh Hajj which is retained earnings and uh Hajj which is the pilgrimage to Mecca if you can so the pilgrimage to Mecca if you can so the pilgrimage to Mecca if you can so that's the growth part the journey um that's the growth part the journey um that's the growth part the journey um you know once a person takes the you know once a person takes the you know once a person takes the testimony they then grow uh it's really testimony they then grow uh it's really testimony they then grow uh it's really interesting because we always have uh interesting because we always have uh interesting because we always have uh those people that convert to Islam like those people that convert to Islam like those people that convert to Islam like a week before Ramadan or even a day a week before Ramadan or even a day a week before Ramadan or even a day before Ramadan so uh you're Muslim and before Ramadan so uh you're Muslim and before Ramadan so uh you're Muslim and you got to fast the next day uh you know you got to fast the next day uh you know you got to fast the next day uh you know and that's always a challenging and that's always a challenging and that's always a challenging experience for people but a fulfilling experience for people but a fulfilling experience for people but a fulfilling experience for many people um when they experience for many people um when they experience for many people um when they Embrace Islam at that point and again I Embrace Islam at that point and again I Embrace Islam at that point and again I mean it's mean it's mean it's it's it's it's simple and I think that it's it's it's simple and I think that it's it's it's simple and I think that the beauty of Islam to many people is in the beauty of Islam to many people is in the beauty of Islam to many people is in its Simplicity one God one Humanity one its Simplicity one God one Humanity one its Simplicity one God one Humanity one body of prophets um and uh one Community body of prophets um and uh one Community body of prophets um and uh one Community because for because for because for you as a Palestinian you as a Palestinian you as a Palestinian American this year the American this year the American this year the Ramadan perhaps would be especially Ramadan perhaps would be especially Ramadan perhaps would be especially difficult spiritually what um what are you anticipating what do you um what are you anticipating what do you think is the difference this think is the difference this think is the difference this year year year I hope I hope and pray that we have a I hope I hope and pray that we have a I hope I hope and pray that we have a ceasefire before Ramadan I hope that at ceasefire before Ramadan I hope that at ceasefire before Ramadan I hope that at that point we're rebuilding Gaza talking that point we're rebuilding Gaza talking that point we're rebuilding Gaza talking about rebuilding about rebuilding about rebuilding Gaza and helping

Gaza and helping Gaza and helping people um that have been damaged in so people um that have been damaged in so people um that have been damaged in so many different ways I hope that Ramadan many different ways I hope that Ramadan many different ways I hope that Ramadan is turning a is turning a is turning a corner every Ramadan corner every Ramadan corner every Ramadan um the aggression against the um the aggression against the um the aggression against the Palestinian people seems to grow so Palestinian people seems to grow so Palestinian people seems to grow so we're usually dealing with you know last we're usually dealing with you know last we're usually dealing with you know last 10 nights of Ramadan and then the 10 nights of Ramadan and then the 10 nights of Ramadan and then the incursions on M AA really sour it um for incursions on M AA really sour it um for incursions on M AA really sour it um for the entire Muslim world right because the entire Muslim world right because the entire Muslim world right because you're watching worshippers being you're watching worshippers being you're watching worshippers being assaulted in one of the holiest places assaulted in one of the holiest places assaulted in one of the holiest places in the world and at the same time you're in the world and at the same time you're in the world and at the same time you're trying to find your deep connection your trying to find your deep connection your trying to find your deep connection your own deep Holy Connection right in own deep Holy Connection right in own deep Holy Connection right in Ramadan this time we're going in and if Ramadan this time we're going in and if Ramadan this time we're going in and if this is still this is still this is still ongoing um we're dealing with ongoing um we're dealing with ongoing um we're dealing with a continued genocide so I think that the a continued genocide so I think that the a continued genocide so I think that the mood has been somber in the community mood has been somber in the community mood has been somber in the community the mood has been uh different from the mood has been uh different from the mood has been uh different from anything I've ever seen before so I anything I've ever seen before so I anything I've ever seen before so I anticipate this Ramadan would be anticipate this Ramadan would be anticipate this Ramadan would be different from anything we've ever seen different from anything we've ever seen different from anything we've ever seen before I think the focus will continue before I think the focus will continue before I think the focus will continue to be on to be on to be on Gaza and on um either stopping the Gaza and on um either stopping the Gaza and on um either stopping the aggression on Gaza or beginning the aggression on Gaza or beginning the aggression on Gaza or beginning the rebuilding of rebuilding of rebuilding of Gaza so General heaviness Gaza so General heaviness Gaza so General heaviness permeates just your prayers and your permeates just your prayers and your permeates just your prayers and your thoughts throughout this yeah I mean thoughts throughout this yeah I mean thoughts throughout this yeah I mean look every sermon I've given since look every sermon I've given since look every sermon I've given since October 7th has had to have some October 7th has had to have some October 7th has had to have some inclusion of this because it's what inclusion of this because it's what inclusion of this because it's what what's on everyone's hearts and Minds um what's on everyone's hearts and Minds um what's on everyone's hearts and Minds um we also have people in our communities we also have people in our communities we also have people in our communities that have lost 20 30 40 people right in

that have lost 20 30 40 people right in that have lost 20 30 40 people right in our our our midst it's not the same um you know if midst it's not the same um you know if midst it's not the same um you know if we start to have refugees or people that we start to have refugees or people that we start to have refugees or people that escape for medical treatment or that are escape for medical treatment or that are escape for medical treatment or that are able to get out through Egypt and join able to get out through Egypt and join able to get out through Egypt and join their families their families their families um you know it's becoming more real um you know it's becoming more real um you know it's becoming more real right it's becoming more personal for right it's becoming more personal for right it's becoming more personal for people so I think that Ramadan will people so I think that Ramadan will people so I think that Ramadan will surround both in in terms of messaging surround both in in terms of messaging surround both in in terms of messaging as well as Community uh the uh the pain as well as Community uh the uh the pain as well as Community uh the uh the pain of the moment with a prayer for Hope and of the moment with a prayer for Hope and of the moment with a prayer for Hope and healing not to put you on the spot but healing not to put you on the spot but healing not to put you on the spot but in your sermons in your private life in your sermons in your private life in your sermons in your private life what is the passage in the Quran that is what is the passage in the Quran that is what is the passage in the Quran that is one you find yourself returning too often you know the part of the Quran I often you know the part of the Quran I get asked this question that resonates get asked this question that resonates get asked this question that resonates with me most uh usually has to do with with me most uh usually has to do with with me most uh usually has to do with what is heaviest for me at the what is heaviest for me at the what is heaviest for me at the moment um there's a verse in the chapter moment um there's a verse in the chapter moment um there's a verse in the chapter of of of Mary um a part of the Mary um a part of the Mary um a part of the versea your lord does not versea your lord does not versea your lord does not forget your lord does not forget your lord does not forget your lord does not forget and forget and forget and so you know as you see what's so you know as you see what's so you know as you see what's transpiring right transpiring right transpiring right now our hope is not in creation our hope now our hope is not in creation our hope now our hope is not in creation our hope is in our creator and our hope is not in is in our creator and our hope is not in is in our creator and our hope is not in this life our hope is in the this life our hope is in the this life our hope is in the afterlife and so that verse deeply

afterlife and so that verse deeply afterlife and so that verse deeply resonates because I think that you know resonates because I think that you know resonates because I think that you know many of us often wonder how are they many of us often wonder how are they many of us often wonder how are they going to rebuild how are they going to going to rebuild how are they going to going to rebuild how are they going to get past get past get past this and we know that God has a way of this and we know that God has a way of this and we know that God has a way of restoring restoring restoring everything God will restore everything everything God will restore everything everything God will restore everything if not in this life then in the if not in this life then in the if not in this life then in the next so there's an next so there's an next so there's an eternal flame of hope that burns there eternal flame of hope that burns there eternal flame of hope that burns there yeah and the people of Gaza have it the yeah and the people of Gaza have it the yeah and the people of Gaza have it the people of Gaza have it you know you can people of Gaza have it you know you can people of Gaza have it you know you can be more easily deluded by this material be more easily deluded by this material be more easily deluded by this material world if you're Hostage to it but the world if you're Hostage to it but the world if you're Hostage to it but the people of Gaza have never been duded by people of Gaza have never been duded by people of Gaza have never been duded by the material world because they never the material world because they never the material world because they never really had it they've always been really had it they've always been really had it they've always been attached to a greater idea to a greater attached to a greater idea to a greater attached to a greater idea to a greater place and place and place and so it is part of the secret ingredient so it is part of the secret ingredient so it is part of the secret ingredient that they have right that they believe that they have right that they believe that they have right that they believe in something greater than this and so in something greater than this and so in something greater than this and so you can't survive hell on Earth unless you can't survive hell on Earth unless you can't survive hell on Earth unless you believe in Paradise outside of you believe in Paradise outside of you believe in Paradise outside of it when you look far into the future 20 it when you look far into the future 20 it when you look far into the future 20 30 40 years from now we're we're uh 30 40 years from now we're we're uh 30 40 years from now we're we're uh we're doing another podcast and 80s and we're doing another podcast and 80s and we're doing another podcast and 80s and 90 years 90 years 90 years old uh what do you hope to see in the old uh what do you hope to see in the old uh what do you hope to see in the Middle East what do you hope to see Middle East what do you hope to see Middle East what do you hope to see change in the Middle East in the United change in the Middle East in the United change in the Middle East in the United States as a people as

States as a people as States as a people as um as a set of um as a set of um as a set of policies cultures policies cultures policies cultures Nations I think that the nation Nations I think that the nation Nations I think that the nation state model and nationalist ISM are state model and nationalist ISM are state model and nationalist ISM are becoming so unsustainable just with the becoming so unsustainable just with the becoming so unsustainable just with the growth of refugee growth of refugee growth of refugee populations desperate Refugee populations desperate Refugee populations desperate Refugee populations um the rise of unfortunately populations um the rise of unfortunately populations um the rise of unfortunately fanaticism and fascism in different fanaticism and fascism in different fanaticism and fascism in different parts of the world um climate you know parts of the world um climate you know parts of the world um climate you know and and all that that presents to us in and and all that that presents to us in and and all that that presents to us in terms of terms of terms of displacement we're going to have to displacement we're going to have to displacement we're going to have to figure out how to function figure out how to function figure out how to function as a world rather than as Nations and as a world rather than as Nations and as a world rather than as Nations and States we're going to have to figure out States we're going to have to figure out States we're going to have to figure out how to not see everyone outside of our how to not see everyone outside of our how to not see everyone outside of our borders as borders as borders as threats and people that are different threats and people that are different threats and people that are different from us within our borders as threats from us within our borders as threats from us within our borders as threats we're going to have to start seeing we're going to have to start seeing we're going to have to start seeing people as people and so my hope would be people as people and so my hope would be people as people and so my hope would be that we would have made people that we would have made people that we would have made people uncomfortable enough to uncomfortable enough to uncomfortable enough to transcend some of the barriers in their transcend some of the barriers in their transcend some of the barriers in their hearts and some of the barriers that we hearts and some of the barriers that we hearts and some of the barriers that we have in the world that don't allow us to have in the world that don't allow us to have in the world that don't allow us to see other people as people and then that see other people as people and then that see other people as people and then that drives uh you know horrific policies drives uh you know horrific policies drives uh you know horrific policies towards people that are so distant from towards people that are so distant from towards people that are so distant from us you have been Fearless in walking us you have been Fearless in walking us you have been Fearless in walking through the

through the through the fire what gives you strength fire what gives you strength fire what gives you strength psychologically to keep going to speak psychologically to keep going to speak psychologically to keep going to speak out but just also maintain an optimism out but just also maintain an optimism out but just also maintain an optimism and a hope for the future I don't and a hope for the future I don't and a hope for the future I don't believe that anyone gives me succcess or believe that anyone gives me succcess or believe that anyone gives me succcess or causes me failure without the permission causes me failure without the permission causes me failure without the permission of God I don't seek fuel from anyone of God I don't seek fuel from anyone of God I don't seek fuel from anyone else I don't seek Hope from anyone else I don't seek Hope from anyone else I don't seek Hope from anyone else I believe in a creator that has a else I believe in a creator that has a else I believe in a creator that has a greater plan and I want to be a greater greater plan and I want to be a greater greater plan and I want to be a greater part of that plan um and I'm inspired by part of that plan um and I'm inspired by part of that plan um and I'm inspired by the resilience of the people of Gaza I'm the resilience of the people of Gaza I'm the resilience of the people of Gaza I'm inspired by the resilience of my parents inspired by the resilience of my parents inspired by the resilience of my parents and and our grandparents and and and our grandparents and and and our grandparents and Palestinians around the world that have Palestinians around the world that have Palestinians around the world that have refused to succumb to their eraser that refused to succumb to their eraser that refused to succumb to their eraser that have refused to to give up and so we have refused to to give up and so we have refused to to give up and so we have both the energy that we need and we have both the energy that we need and we have both the energy that we need and we have the examples that we need the have the examples that we need the have the examples that we need the energy is from above the examples are energy is from above the examples are energy is from above the examples are all around us well Omar Imam uh this is all around us well Omar Imam uh this is all around us well Omar Imam uh this is a huge honor to once again a huge honor to once again a huge honor to once again speak with you and I just want to say speak with you and I just want to say speak with you and I just want to say thank you not just for this but for many thank you not just for this but for many thank you not just for this but for many private notes you have sent me of private notes you have sent me of private notes you have sent me of kindness and support and love through kindness and support and love through kindness and support and love through some of the low some of the low some of the low points for um as silly as they are for points for um as silly as they are for points for um as silly as they are for me personally so it's just great to be me personally so it's just great to be me personally so it's just great to be able to call you a friend and to to be

able to call you a friend and to to be able to call you a friend and to to be able to uh have you in my corner it's um able to uh have you in my corner it's um able to uh have you in my corner it's um I'm forever grateful to you for that I I'm forever grateful to you for that I I'm forever grateful to you for that I appreciate it thank you so much man and appreciate it thank you so much man and appreciate it thank you so much man and thank you for talking today thanks for thank you for talking today thanks for thank you for talking today thanks for listening to this conversation with Omar listening to this conversation with Omar listening to this conversation with Omar suan to support this podcast please suan to support this podcast please suan to support this podcast please check out our sponsors in the check out our sponsors in the check out our sponsors in the description and now let me leave you description and now let me leave you description and now let me leave you some words from Dr Martin Luther King Jr some words from Dr Martin Luther King Jr some words from Dr Martin Luther King Jr we shall we shall we shall overcome because the Ark of the moral overcome because the Ark of the moral overcome because the Ark of the moral universe is long but it bends towards universe is long but it bends towards universe is long but it bends towards Justice thank you for listening and hope Justice thank you for listening and hope Justice thank you for listening and hope to see you next