Robert F. Kennedy Jr: CIA, Power, Corruption, War, Freedom, and Meaning | Lex Fridman Podcast #388

it's not our business it's not our business changed the Russian government and changed the Russian government and changed the Russian government and anybody who thinks it's a good idea to anybody who thinks it's a good idea to anybody who thinks it's a good idea to do regime change in Russia which has do regime change in Russia which has do regime change in Russia which has more nuclear weapons than we do more nuclear weapons than we do more nuclear weapons than we do um is I think irresponsible and you know um is I think irresponsible and you know um is I think irresponsible and you know Vladimir Putin himself has said you know Vladimir Putin himself has said you know Vladimir Putin himself has said you know we will not live in a world without we will not live in a world without we will not live in a world without Russia and it was clear when he said Russia and it was clear when he said Russia and it was clear when he said that that he was talking about himself that that he was talking about himself that that he was talking about himself and I and he has his hand on a button and I and he has his hand on a button and I and he has his hand on a button that could bring you know Armageddon to that could bring you know Armageddon to that could bring you know Armageddon to the entire planet so why are we messing the entire planet so why are we messing the entire planet so why are we messing with this it's not our job to change with this it's not our job to change with this it's not our job to change that regime and and we should be making that regime and and we should be making that regime and and we should be making Fair friends with the Russians we Fair friends with the Russians we Fair friends with the Russians we shouldn't be treating him as an anime shouldn't be treating him as an anime shouldn't be treating him as an anime now we've pushed them into the camp with now we've pushed them into the camp with now we've pushed them into the camp with China China China that's not a good thing for our country that's not a good thing for our country that's not a good thing for our country and by the way and by the way and by the way you know what we're doing now does not you know what we're doing now does not you know what we're doing now does not appear to be weakening Putin at all the following is a conversation with the following is a conversation with Robert F Kennedy Jr candidate for the Robert F Kennedy Jr candidate for the Robert F Kennedy Jr candidate for the president of the United States running president of the United States running president of the United States running as a Democrat Robert is an activist as a Democrat Robert is an activist as a Democrat Robert is an activist lawyer and author who has challenged lawyer and author who has challenged lawyer and author who has challenged some of the world's most powerful some of the world's most powerful some of the world's most powerful corporations seeking to hold them corporations seeking to hold them corporations seeking to hold them accountable for the harm they may cause accountable for the harm they may cause accountable for the harm they may cause I love science and engineering these two I love science and engineering these two I love science and engineering these two Pursuits are to me the most beautiful Pursuits are to me the most beautiful Pursuits are to me the most beautiful and Powerful in the history of human and Powerful in the history of human and Powerful in the history of human civilization science is our journey our civilization science is our journey our civilization science is our journey our fight for uncovering the laws of nature fight for uncovering the laws of nature fight for uncovering the laws of nature and leveraging them to understand the and leveraging them to understand the and leveraging them to understand the universe and to lessen the amount of universe and to lessen the amount of universe and to lessen the amount of suffering in the world

suffering in the world suffering in the world some of the greatest human beings I've some of the greatest human beings I've some of the greatest human beings I've ever met including most of my good ever met including most of my good ever met including most of my good friends are scientists and Engineers friends are scientists and Engineers friends are scientists and Engineers again I love science again I love science again I love science but science cannot flourish without but science cannot flourish without but science cannot flourish without epistemic humility without debate both epistemic humility without debate both epistemic humility without debate both in the pages of academic journals and in in the pages of academic journals and in in the pages of academic journals and in the Public Square in good faith the Public Square in good faith the Public Square in good faith long-form conversations agree or long-form conversations agree or long-form conversations agree or disagree I believe Robert's voice should disagree I believe Robert's voice should disagree I believe Robert's voice should be part of the debate to call him a be part of the debate to call him a be part of the debate to call him a conspiracy theorist and arrogantly conspiracy theorist and arrogantly conspiracy theorist and arrogantly dismiss everything he says without dismiss everything he says without dismiss everything he says without addressing it diminishes The public's addressing it diminishes The public's addressing it diminishes The public's trust in the scientific process trust in the scientific process trust in the scientific process at the same time dogmatic skepticism of at the same time dogmatic skepticism of at the same time dogmatic skepticism of all scientific output on controversial all scientific output on controversial all scientific output on controversial topics like the pandemic is equally if topics like the pandemic is equally if topics like the pandemic is equally if not more dishonest and destructive not more dishonest and destructive not more dishonest and destructive I recommend that people read and listen I recommend that people read and listen I recommend that people read and listen to Robert F Kennedy Jr his arguments and to Robert F Kennedy Jr his arguments and to Robert F Kennedy Jr his arguments and his ideas his ideas his ideas but I also recommend as I say in this but I also recommend as I say in this but I also recommend as I say in this conversation that people read and listen conversation that people read and listen conversation that people read and listen to Vincent record yellow from this week to Vincent record yellow from this week to Vincent record yellow from this week in virology Dan Wilson from debunk the in virology Dan Wilson from debunk the in virology Dan Wilson from debunk the funk and the Twitter and books of Paul funk and the Twitter and books of Paul funk and the Twitter and books of Paul offit Eric tople and others who are offit Eric tople and others who are offit Eric tople and others who are outspoken in their disagreement with outspoken in their disagreement with outspoken in their disagreement with Robert Robert Robert it is disagreement not Conformity that it is disagreement not Conformity that it is disagreement not Conformity that bends the long Arc of humanity toward bends the long Arc of humanity toward bends the long Arc of humanity toward truth and wisdom truth and wisdom truth and wisdom in this process of this agreement in this process of this agreement in this process of this agreement everybody has a lesson to teach you but everybody has a lesson to teach you but everybody has a lesson to teach you but we must have the humility to hear it and

we must have the humility to hear it and we must have the humility to hear it and to learn from it to learn from it to learn from it this is the Lex Friedman podcast to this is the Lex Friedman podcast to this is the Lex Friedman podcast to support it please check out our sponsors support it please check out our sponsors support it please check out our sponsors in the description and now dear friends in the description and now dear friends in the description and now dear friends here's Robert F Kennedy Jr here's Robert F Kennedy Jr here's Robert F Kennedy Jr it's the fourth of July Independence Day it's the fourth of July Independence Day it's the fourth of July Independence Day so simple question simple big question so simple question simple big question so simple question simple big question what do you love about this country the what do you love about this country the what do you love about this country the United States of America I would say United States of America I would say United States of America I would say well there are so many things that I well there are so many things that I well there are so many things that I love about the country on uh love about the country on uh love about the country on uh you know the Landscapes and the you know the Landscapes and the you know the Landscapes and the waterways and the people Etc but on the waterways and the people Etc but on the waterways and the people Etc but on the kind of a you know the higher level you kind of a you know the higher level you kind of a you know the higher level you know people argue about whether we're an know people argue about whether we're an know people argue about whether we're an exemplary Nation exemplary Nation exemplary Nation and the that term has been given a bad and the that term has been given a bad and the that term has been given a bad name particularly by the neocons the name particularly by the neocons the name particularly by the neocons the actions the neocons in in recent decades actions the neocons in in recent decades actions the neocons in in recent decades who who who have turned that uh that phrase into have turned that uh that phrase into have turned that uh that phrase into kind of a justification kind of a justification kind of a justification for forcing people to adopt American for forcing people to adopt American for forcing people to adopt American systems or values at the barrel of a gun systems or values at the barrel of a gun systems or values at the barrel of a gun but my father and Uncle used it in a but my father and Uncle used it in a but my father and Uncle used it in a very different way and they were very very different way and they were very very different way and they were very proud of it I grew up very proud of this proud of it I grew up very proud of this proud of it I grew up very proud of this country because we were the exemplary country because we were the exemplary country because we were the exemplary nation in in uh in the sense that we nation in in uh in the sense that we nation in in uh in the sense that we were an example of were an example of were an example of democracy all over the world when we uh democracy all over the world when we uh democracy all over the world when we uh when we first launched our democracy in when we first launched our democracy in when we first launched our democracy in 1780 1780 1780 we were the only democracy on Earth and we were the only democracy on Earth and we were the only democracy on Earth and by the Civil War by 1865 there were six by the Civil War by 1865 there were six by the Civil War by 1865 there were six democracies democracies democracies today there's probably 190.

today there's probably 190. today there's probably 190. and all of them in one way or another and all of them in one way or another and all of them in one way or another are modeled on on the American are modeled on on the American are modeled on on the American experience and it's kind of experience and it's kind of experience and it's kind of extraordinary because extraordinary because extraordinary because or if our our first contact with uh our or if our our first contact with uh our or if our our first contact with uh our first serious and contact first serious and contact first serious and contact uh with the European culture and uh with the European culture and uh with the European culture and continent was in 1608 continent was in 1608 continent was in 1608 I want John went through came over with I want John went through came over with I want John went through came over with his Puritans and the Sloop Arbella and his Puritans and the Sloop Arbella and his Puritans and the Sloop Arbella and Winthrop gave this famous speech where Winthrop gave this famous speech where Winthrop gave this famous speech where he said this is going to be a city on a he said this is going to be a city on a he said this is going to be a city on a hill this is going to be an example for hill this is going to be an example for hill this is going to be an example for you know all the other nations in the you know all the other nations in the you know all the other nations in the world and he he warned his fellow world and he he warned his fellow world and he he warned his fellow Puritans they were you know sitting at Puritans they were you know sitting at Puritans they were you know sitting at the this great expanse of land he said the this great expanse of land he said the this great expanse of land he said we can't we can't we can't um be we can't uh uh be seduced by um be we can't uh uh be seduced by um be we can't uh uh be seduced by the the war of real estate or by the the the war of real estate or by the the the war of real estate or by the carnal opportunities of this land we carnal opportunities of this land we carnal opportunities of this land we have to take this country as a gift from have to take this country as a gift from have to take this country as a gift from God and then turn it into a uh an God and then turn it into a uh an God and then turn it into a uh an example for the rest of the world of of example for the rest of the world of of example for the rest of the world of of God's love of God's Will and uh and God's love of God's Will and uh and God's love of God's Will and uh and wisdom and the and then you know to 200 wisdom and the and then you know to 200 wisdom and the and then you know to 200 years later 250 years later years later 250 years later years later 250 years later they are a different generation they're they are a different generation they're they are a different generation they're mainly Dias or people who mainly Dias or people who mainly Dias or people who um had a a belief in God but not uh so um had a a belief in God but not uh so um had a a belief in God but not uh so much

much much a love of particularly religious a love of particularly religious a love of particularly religious cosmologies you know the framers the cosmologies you know the framers the cosmologies you know the framers the Constitution Constitution Constitution um believe that we were creating um believe that we were creating um believe that we were creating something that would be replicated something that would be replicated something that would be replicated around the world and that it was an around the world and that it was an around the world and that it was an example it was in democracy example it was in democracy example it was in democracy there would be this kind of wisdom from there would be this kind of wisdom from there would be this kind of wisdom from the collective you know that and the the collective you know that and the the collective you know that and the word wisdom means the knowledge of God's word wisdom means the knowledge of God's word wisdom means the knowledge of God's will will will and that somehow God would speak through and that somehow God would speak through and that somehow God would speak through the collective in a way that um the collective in a way that um the collective in a way that um that he or she could not speak through that he or she could not speak through that he or she could not speak through you know through totalitarian regimes you know through totalitarian regimes you know through totalitarian regimes and um you know I think that that's and um you know I think that that's and um you know I think that that's something that even though uh something that even though uh something that even though uh Winthrop was a white man and a Winthrop was a white man and a Winthrop was a white man and a Protestant that every immigrant group Protestant that every immigrant group Protestant that every immigrant group who came after them I kind of adopted who came after them I kind of adopted who came after them I kind of adopted that belief and I know my family when that belief and I know my family when that belief and I know my family when you know our my family came up all of my you know our my family came up all of my you know our my family came up all of my grandparents came over in 1848 during grandparents came over in 1848 during grandparents came over in 1848 during the Potato Famine the Potato Famine the Potato Famine and they saw this country as unique in and they saw this country as unique in and they saw this country as unique in history as something that history as something that history as something that you know that was uh you know that was uh you know that was uh that was part of kind of a broader that was part of kind of a broader that was part of kind of a broader spiritual Mission and so I I'd say that spiritual Mission and so I I'd say that spiritual Mission and so I I'd say that from a thirty thousand foot level that from a thirty thousand foot level that from a thirty thousand foot level that uh you know that's I grew up so proud of uh you know that's I grew up so proud of uh you know that's I grew up so proud of this country and believing that it was this country and believing that it was this country and believing that it was the greatest country in the world and the greatest country in the world and the greatest country in the world and for those reasons well I immigrated to for those reasons well I immigrated to for those reasons well I immigrated to this country and one of the things that this country and one of the things that this country and one of the things that really embodies America to me is the

really embodies America to me is the really embodies America to me is the ideal of Freedom Hunter Thompson said ideal of Freedom Hunter Thompson said ideal of Freedom Hunter Thompson said freedom is something that dies unless freedom is something that dies unless freedom is something that dies unless it's used what does freedom mean to you it's used what does freedom mean to you it's used what does freedom mean to you to me Freedom does not mean you know to me Freedom does not mean you know to me Freedom does not mean you know chaos chaos chaos and it does not mean Anarchy it means and it does not mean Anarchy it means and it does not mean Anarchy it means that it it it has to be accompanied by that it it it has to be accompanied by that it it it has to be accompanied by restraint if it's going to restraint if it's going to restraint if it's going to uh live up to its promise uh live up to its promise uh live up to its promise um in the self first right what it means um in the self first right what it means um in the self first right what it means the capacity for human beings to the capacity for human beings to the capacity for human beings to um to exercise and to um to exercise and to um to exercise and to fulfill their uh their creative Energies fulfill their uh their creative Energies fulfill their uh their creative Energies unrestrained as much as possible by unrestrained as much as possible by unrestrained as much as possible by government so this point the hunter government so this point the hunter government so this point the hunter estas has made is dies unless it's used estas has made is dies unless it's used estas has made is dies unless it's used I agree with that yeah I do agree with I agree with that yeah I do agree with I agree with that yeah I do agree with that and I think he'd that and I think he'd that and I think he'd he was not unique in saying that you he was not unique in saying that you he was not unique in saying that you know Thomas Jefferson said that the tree know Thomas Jefferson said that the tree know Thomas Jefferson said that the tree of Liberty has to be had to be watered of Liberty has to be had to be watered of Liberty has to be had to be watered with the blood of each generation and with the blood of each generation and with the blood of each generation and what he meant by that is that it's it's what he meant by that is that it's it's what he meant by that is that it's it's uh you can't live off we can't live off uh you can't live off we can't live off uh you can't live off we can't live off The Laurels of the American Revolution The Laurels of the American Revolution The Laurels of the American Revolution that you know we had a group we had a that you know we had a group we had a that you know we had a group we had a generation where between 25 000 and 70 generation where between 25 000 and 70 generation where between 25 000 and 70 000 Americans died they gave their lives 000 Americans died they gave their lives 000 Americans died they gave their lives they gave their livelihoods they gave they gave their livelihoods they gave they gave their livelihoods they gave their their their status they gave their property and they status they gave their property and they status they gave their property and they put it all on the line to give us our put it all on the line to give us our put it all on the line to give us our Bill of Rights and that but those Bill Bill of Rights and that but those Bill Bill of Rights and that but those Bill rights the moment that we signed them rights the moment that we signed them rights the moment that we signed them there were forces within our society

there were forces within our society there were forces within our society um that began trying to chip away at um that began trying to chip away at um that began trying to chip away at them and that you know what happens in them and that you know what happens in them and that you know what happens in every generation and it is the every generation and it is the every generation and it is the obligation of every generation obligation of every generation obligation of every generation to safeguard and protect those freedoms to safeguard and protect those freedoms to safeguard and protect those freedoms the blood of each generation you the blood of each generation you the blood of each generation you mentioned your interests your admiration mentioned your interests your admiration mentioned your interests your admiration of Albert Camus of stoicism perhaps your of Albert Camus of stoicism perhaps your of Albert Camus of stoicism perhaps your interest in existentialism interest in existentialism interest in existentialism Camus said Camus said Camus said I believe in myth of Sisyphus the only I believe in myth of Sisyphus the only I believe in myth of Sisyphus the only way to deal with an unfree world is to way to deal with an unfree world is to way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very become so absolutely free that your very become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion what do existence is an act of rebellion what do existence is an act of rebellion what do you think he means by that I suppose the you think he means by that I suppose the you think he means by that I suppose the way that kamu way that kamu way that kamu view the world view the world view the world um and the way that the stoics did and a um and the way that the stoics did and a um and the way that the stoics did and a lot of the existentialists was that it lot of the existentialists was that it lot of the existentialists was that it was uh that it was so absurd and that was uh that it was so absurd and that was uh that it was so absurd and that the uh the the problems and the tasks the uh the the problems and the tasks the uh the the problems and the tasks that were given just to live a life are that were given just to live a life are that were given just to live a life are so insurmountable so insurmountable so insurmountable that the only way that we can kind of um that the only way that we can kind of um that the only way that we can kind of um get back the gods for giving us this you get back the gods for giving us this you get back the gods for giving us this you know this uh this uh impossible task of know this uh this uh impossible task of know this uh this uh impossible task of of living life of living life of living life was to embrace it and to enjoy it and to was to embrace it and to enjoy it and to was to embrace it and to enjoy it and to do our our best at it I mean to me I do our our best at it I mean to me I do our our best at it I mean to me I you know I read camo and then you know I read camo and then you know I read camo and then particularly in the myth of Sisyphus as particularly in the myth of Sisyphus as particularly in the myth of Sisyphus as a a a um as kind of as a parable that uh and um as kind of as a parable that uh and um as kind of as a parable that uh and it's the same lesson that I think he he it's the same lesson that I think he he it's the same lesson that I think he he writes about in the plague

writes about in the plague writes about in the plague where we're all given these where we're all given these where we're all given these insurmountable tasks in our lives but insurmountable tasks in our lives but insurmountable tasks in our lives but um that uh by doing our duty by being of um that uh by doing our duty by being of um that uh by doing our duty by being of service to others service to others service to others we can bring meaning to a meaningless we can bring meaning to a meaningless we can bring meaning to a meaningless chaos and we can bring order to the chaos and we can bring order to the chaos and we can bring order to the universe and universe and universe and you know Sisyphus was uh was kind of the you know Sisyphus was uh was kind of the you know Sisyphus was uh was kind of the iconic hero of the stoics iconic hero of the stoics iconic hero of the stoics and he was a man because he did uh and he was a man because he did uh and he was a man because he did uh because he did something good he because he did something good he because he did something good he delivered a gift to humanity delivered a gift to humanity delivered a gift to humanity he angered the gods and they condemned he angered the gods and they condemned he angered the gods and they condemned him to put a rock up the hill every day him to put a rock up the hill every day him to put a rock up the hill every day and then it would roll down when he got and then it would roll down when he got and then it would roll down when he got to the top it would roll down and he'd to the top it would roll down and he'd to the top it would roll down and he'd spend the night going back down the hill spend the night going back down the hill spend the night going back down the hill to collect it and then rolling it back to collect it and then rolling it back to collect it and then rolling it back back up the hill again back up the hill again back up the hill again and the task was observed it was and the task was observed it was and the task was observed it was insurmountable he could never win insurmountable he could never win insurmountable he could never win but the last line of that book is one of but the last line of that book is one of but the last line of that book is one of the great lines which is uh which is the great lines which is uh which is the great lines which is uh which is something to the extent that you know I something to the extent that you know I something to the extent that you know I can picture Earth says smiling because can picture Earth says smiling because can picture Earth says smiling because Camus belief was that even though he um Camus belief was that even though he um Camus belief was that even though he um his task was insurmountable that he was his task was insurmountable that he was his task was insurmountable that he was a happy man a happy man a happy man and he was a happy man because he put and he was a happy man because he put and he was a happy man because he put his shoulder to the stone his shoulder to the stone his shoulder to the stone he took his duty he embraced the tasks he took his duty he embraced the tasks he took his duty he embraced the tasks and the you know and the absurdity of and the you know and the absurdity of and the you know and the absurdity of life and he pushed the stone up the hill life and he pushed the stone up the hill life and he pushed the stone up the hill and that if we do that and if you know and that if we do that and if you know and that if we do that and if you know we find ways of being service to others

we find ways of being service to others we find ways of being service to others that is you know the ultimate that is you know the ultimate that is you know the ultimate that's the key to the lock that's the that's the key to the lock that's the that's the key to the lock that's the solution to the puzzle each individual solution to the puzzle each individual solution to the puzzle each individual person in that way can rebel against person in that way can rebel against person in that way can rebel against absurdity by discovering meaning to this absurdity by discovering meaning to this absurdity by discovering meaning to this whole messy thing and we can bring whole messy thing and we can bring whole messy thing and we can bring meaning not only to our own lives but meaning not only to our own lives but meaning not only to our own lives but we can bring meaning to the universe as we can bring meaning to the universe as we can bring meaning to the universe as well we can bring some kind of order to well we can bring some kind of order to well we can bring some kind of order to life life life um um um uh you know that those the Embrace of uh you know that those the Embrace of uh you know that those the Embrace of those tasks and the and the commitment those tasks and the and the commitment those tasks and the and the commitment to service to service to service resonates out from us to the rest of resonates out from us to the rest of resonates out from us to the rest of humanity in some in some way humanity in some in some way humanity in some in some way so you mentioned the plague by Camus so you mentioned the plague by Camus so you mentioned the plague by Camus there's a lot of different ways to read there's a lot of different ways to read there's a lot of different ways to read that book but one of them especially that book but one of them especially that book but one of them especially given How It Was Written is that the given How It Was Written is that the given How It Was Written is that the plague symbolizes uh Nazi Germany plague symbolizes uh Nazi Germany plague symbolizes uh Nazi Germany and the Hitler regime what do you learn and the Hitler regime what do you learn and the Hitler regime what do you learn about human nature about human nature about human nature from a figure like Adolf Hitler that from a figure like Adolf Hitler that from a figure like Adolf Hitler that he's able to he's able to he's able to uh Captivate the minds of millions rise uh Captivate the minds of millions rise uh Captivate the minds of millions rise to power and take on pull in the whole to power and take on pull in the whole to power and take on pull in the whole world into a global war world into a global war world into a global war I was born nine years after the end of I was born nine years after the end of I was born nine years after the end of World War II World War II World War II and I grew up in a generation that was and I grew up in a generation that was and I grew up in a generation that was big you know with my parents who were big you know with my parents who were big you know with my parents who were fixated on that fixated on that fixated on that um on you know what happened at my um on you know what happened at my um on you know what happened at my father father father at that time the you know the kind of at that time the you know the kind of at that time the you know the kind of the resolution in the minds of most the resolution in the minds of most the resolution in the minds of most Americans and I think people around the

Americans and I think people around the Americans and I think people around the world world world is that there was there had been is that there was there had been is that there was there had been something wrong with the German people something wrong with the German people something wrong with the German people that you know the Germans had been that you know the Germans had been that you know the Germans had been particularly susceptible to this kind of particularly susceptible to this kind of particularly susceptible to this kind of a demagoguery and to following a a demagoguery and to following a a demagoguery and to following a powerful leader and um and his powerful leader and um and his powerful leader and um and his industrializing cruelty and and and uh industrializing cruelty and and and uh industrializing cruelty and and and uh and murder and murder and murder and my father always differed with that and my father always differed with that and my father always differed with that and my father said this is not a German and my father said this is not a German and my father said this is not a German problem problem problem this could happen to all of us we're all this could happen to all of us we're all this could happen to all of us we're all just inches away from barbarity and the just inches away from barbarity and the just inches away from barbarity and the thing that keeps us safe in this country thing that keeps us safe in this country thing that keeps us safe in this country are the institutions of our democracy are the institutions of our democracy are the institutions of our democracy our constitution is it's not our nature our constitution is it's not our nature our constitution is it's not our nature you know our nature you know our nature you know our nature has to has to has to um um um has to be restrained and it and that has to be restrained and it and that has to be restrained and it and that comes through self-restraint but it also comes through self-restraint but it also comes through self-restraint but it also you know the beauty of our country is you know the beauty of our country is you know the beauty of our country is that we develop we devise these that we develop we devise these that we develop we devise these institutions that are designed to allow institutions that are designed to allow institutions that are designed to allow us to flourish us to flourish us to flourish but at the same time on not to give us but at the same time on not to give us but at the same time on not to give us enough freedom to flourish but also enough freedom to flourish but also enough freedom to flourish but also create enough order to keep us from create enough order to keep us from create enough order to keep us from collapsing into barbarity so collapsing into barbarity so collapsing into barbarity so um you know one of the other things that um you know one of the other things that um you know one of the other things that my father my father my father talked about from when I was little you talked about from when I was little you talked about from when I was little you know he would ask us this question know he would ask us this question know he would ask us this question if you if you were the family if you if you were the family if you if you were the family and Anne Frank came to your door and and Anne Frank came to your door and and Anne Frank came to your door and asked you to hide her would you be one

asked you to hide her would you be one asked you to hide her would you be one of the people who hit her at risked your of the people who hit her at risked your of the people who hit her at risked your own life or would you be one of the own life or would you be one of the own life or would you be one of the people who turned her in people who turned her in people who turned her in and of course we would all say of course and of course we would all say of course and of course we would all say of course we would hide Anne Frank and take the we would hide Anne Frank and take the we would hide Anne Frank and take the risk risk risk um but you know that's been something uh um but you know that's been something uh um but you know that's been something uh kind of a lesson a challenge that has kind of a lesson a challenge that has kind of a lesson a challenge that has been uh that has always been near the been uh that has always been near the been uh that has always been near the Forefront of my mind that if a Forefront of my mind that if a Forefront of my mind that if a totalitarian system ever totalitarian system ever totalitarian system ever occurs in the United States which my occurs in the United States which my occurs in the United States which my father thought was quite possible he he father thought was quite possible he he father thought was quite possible he he was conscious about how fragile was conscious about how fragile was conscious about how fragile democracy actually is democracy actually is democracy actually is um that would I be one of the ones who um that would I be one of the ones who um that would I be one of the ones who would resist the totalitarianism or would resist the totalitarianism or would resist the totalitarianism or would I be one of the people who would I be one of the people who would I be one of the people who went along with it would I be one of the went along with it would I be one of the went along with it would I be one of the people who was at the train station and people who was at the train station and people who was at the train station and you know Krakow or uh or you know Krakow or uh or you know Krakow or uh or um or you know even Berlin and saw um or you know even Berlin and saw um or you know even Berlin and saw people people people being shipped off to camps and just put being shipped off to camps and just put being shipped off to camps and just put my head down and pretend I didn't see it my head down and pretend I didn't see it my head down and pretend I didn't see it because talking about it would be because talking about it would be because talking about it would be destructive to my career maybe my destructive to my career maybe my destructive to my career maybe my freedom and even my life freedom and even my life freedom and even my life um so you know that has been a challenge um so you know that has been a challenge um so you know that has been a challenge that my father gave to me and all of my that my father gave to me and all of my that my father gave to me and all of my brothers and sisters and brothers and sisters and brothers and sisters and it's something that I I've never it's something that I I've never it's something that I I've never forgotten a lot of us would like to forgotten a lot of us would like to forgotten a lot of us would like to believe we would uh resist in that believe we would uh resist in that believe we would uh resist in that situation but the reality is most of us situation but the reality is most of us situation but the reality is most of us wouldn't and that's a good thing to

wouldn't and that's a good thing to wouldn't and that's a good thing to think about think about think about that uh human nature is such that we're that uh human nature is such that we're that uh human nature is such that we're selfish even when there's an atrocity selfish even when there's an atrocity selfish even when there's an atrocity going on all around us and we also you going on all around us and we also you going on all around us and we also you know we have the capacity to deceive know we have the capacity to deceive know we have the capacity to deceive ourselves ourselves ourselves and all of us tend to kind of Judge and all of us tend to kind of Judge and all of us tend to kind of Judge ourselves by our intentions and our ourselves by our intentions and our ourselves by our intentions and our actions actions actions what have you learned about life from what have you learned about life from what have you learned about life from your father Robert F Kennedy first of your father Robert F Kennedy first of your father Robert F Kennedy first of all I'll say this about my uncle because all I'll say this about my uncle because all I'll say this about my uncle because you know I'm going to apply that you know I'm going to apply that you know I'm going to apply that question to my uncle and my father my question to my uncle and my father my question to my uncle and my father my uncle was asked when he first met Jackie uncle was asked when he first met Jackie uncle was asked when he first met Jackie Bouvier who later became Jackie Kennedy Bouvier who later became Jackie Kennedy Bouvier who later became Jackie Kennedy she was a reporter for a newspaper and she was a reporter for a newspaper and she was a reporter for a newspaper and she was doing she she had a kind of she was doing she she had a kind of she was doing she she had a kind of column where she'd do these these kind column where she'd do these these kind column where she'd do these these kind of um of um of um pithy interviews uh with with both pithy interviews uh with with both pithy interviews uh with with both famous people and Men industry in famous people and Men industry in famous people and Men industry in interviews interviews interviews and she was interviewing him and she and she was interviewing him and she and she was interviewing him and she asked them asked them asked them um um um what she thought what he believed his what she thought what he believed his what she thought what he believed his best quality was is his strongest virtue best quality was is his strongest virtue best quality was is his strongest virtue and she thought that he would say and she thought that he would say and she thought that he would say courage because courage because courage because he had been a war hero he had he was the he had been a war hero he had he was the he had been a war hero he had he was the only uh president who and this one he only uh president who and this one he only uh president who and this one he was Senator by the way was Senator by the way was Senator by the way who received the purple heart and you who received the purple heart and you who received the purple heart and you know he had a very kind of famous story know he had a very kind of famous story know he had a very kind of famous story of him as a hero in World War II and of him as a hero in World War II and of him as a hero in World War II and then he had come home and he'd written a then he had come home and he'd written a then he had come home and he'd written a book on car on moral courage among book on car on moral courage among book on car on moral courage among American politicians and one Pulitzer American politicians and one Pulitzer American politicians and one Pulitzer Prize Prize Prize that book profiles and courage and um

that book profiles and courage and um that book profiles and courage and um which was a series of incidents where which was a series of incidents where which was a series of incidents where um American political leaders made um American political leaders made um American political leaders made decisions to to embrace principle even decisions to to embrace principle even decisions to to embrace principle even though their careers were at stake and though their careers were at stake and though their careers were at stake and in most cases were destroyed by their in most cases were destroyed by their in most cases were destroyed by their choice choice choice she thought he was going to say courage she thought he was going to say courage she thought he was going to say courage but he didn't he said curiosity but he didn't he said curiosity but he didn't he said curiosity and and and um I think you know looking back at his um I think you know looking back at his um I think you know looking back at his life that the best that that was true life that the best that that was true life that the best that that was true and that was the quality that allowed and that was the quality that allowed and that was the quality that allowed him him him to put himself in the shoes of his to put himself in the shoes of his to put himself in the shoes of his adversaries and he always said that if adversaries and he always said that if adversaries and he always said that if you if the only way that we're going to you if the only way that we're going to you if the only way that we're going to have peace is if we're able to put have peace is if we're able to put have peace is if we're able to put ourselves in the shoes or adversaries ourselves in the shoes or adversaries ourselves in the shoes or adversaries understand their behavior and their understand their behavior and their understand their behavior and their contact not context contact not context contact not context and that's why he was able to and that's why he was able to and that's why he was able to um you know during the uh he was able to um you know during the uh he was able to um you know during the uh he was able to resist the intelligence apparatus in the resist the intelligence apparatus in the resist the intelligence apparatus in the military military military during the Bay of Pigs when they said during the Bay of Pigs when they said during the Bay of Pigs when they said you've got to send in the Essex the you've got to send in the Essex the you've got to send in the Essex the aircraft carrier and he said no even aircraft carrier and he said no even aircraft carrier and he said no even though he'd only been in two months in though he'd only been in two months in though he'd only been in two months in office he was able to stand up to them office he was able to stand up to them office he was able to stand up to them because because because of because he was able to put himself in of because he was able to put himself in of because he was able to put himself in the shoes of both Castro and Khrushchev the shoes of both Castro and Khrushchev the shoes of both Castro and Khrushchev and understand there's got to be another and understand there's got to be another and understand there's got to be another solution to this and then during the solution to this and then during the solution to this and then during the Cuban Missile Crisis Cuban Missile Crisis Cuban Missile Crisis he was able to do it when the narrative he was able to do it when the narrative he was able to do it when the narrative was okay Khrushchev acted was okay Khrushchev acted was okay Khrushchev acted in a way as an aggressor to put missiles

in a way as an aggressor to put missiles in a way as an aggressor to put missiles in our hemisphere how dare he do that in our hemisphere how dare he do that in our hemisphere how dare he do that and Jack and my father were able to say and Jack and my father were able to say and Jack and my father were able to say well wait a minute he's doing that well wait a minute he's doing that well wait a minute he's doing that because we put missiles in turkey and because we put missiles in turkey and because we put missiles in turkey and Italy that were right on you know the Italy that were right on you know the Italy that were right on you know the Turkish ones right on the Russian border Turkish ones right on the Russian border Turkish ones right on the Russian border and they then made a secret deal with and they then made a secret deal with and they then made a secret deal with dobrandon with ambassador to Brennan and dobrandon with ambassador to Brennan and dobrandon with ambassador to Brennan and you know with Khrushchev you know with Khrushchev you know with Khrushchev um to uh to remove the missiles in in um to uh to remove the missiles in in um to uh to remove the missiles in in Turkey if he moved the Jupiter missiles Turkey if he moved the Jupiter missiles Turkey if he moved the Jupiter missiles from Turkey if I'm from Turkey if I'm from Turkey if I'm so long as Khrushchev removed them from so long as Khrushchev removed them from so long as Khrushchev removed them from from Cuba every there were 13 men on the from Cuba every there were 13 men on the from Cuba every there were 13 men on the exact on the end what they call the ncon exact on the end what they call the ncon exact on the end what they call the ncon committee committee committee which was the group of people who were which was the group of people who were which was the group of people who were deciding you know what the action was deciding you know what the action was deciding you know what the action was what what they were going to do to end what what they were going to do to end what what they were going to do to end the Cuban muscle crisis and virtually the Cuban muscle crisis and virtually the Cuban muscle crisis and virtually and of those men 11 of them wanted to and of those men 11 of them wanted to and of those men 11 of them wanted to invade and wanted to bomb and invade invade and wanted to bomb and invade invade and wanted to bomb and invade and it was Jack and then later on my my and it was Jack and then later on my my and it was Jack and then later on my my father and and Bob McNamara who are the father and and Bob McNamara who are the father and and Bob McNamara who are the only people who were with him only people who were with him only people who were with him but because he was able to see the world but because he was able to see the world but because he was able to see the world from khrushchev's point of view of you from khrushchev's point of view of you from khrushchev's point of view of you he believed that there was another he believed that there was another he believed that there was another solution and then he also had the moral solution and then he also had the moral solution and then he also had the moral courage so courage so courage so um my father you know to get back to um my father you know to get back to um my father you know to get back to your question your question your question famously is that that moral courage is famously is that that moral courage is famously is that that moral courage is the most important quality and it's more the most important quality and it's more the most important quality and it's more it's more rare and courage on the

it's more rare and courage on the it's more rare and courage on the football field or courage in battle than football field or courage in battle than football field or courage in battle than physical courage it's much more physical courage it's much more physical courage it's much more difficult to come by but it's the most difficult to come by but it's the most difficult to come by but it's the most important quality in a human being and important quality in a human being and important quality in a human being and you think that kind of empathy that you you think that kind of empathy that you you think that kind of empathy that you referred to that requires moral courage referred to that requires moral courage referred to that requires moral courage it certainly it certainly it certainly requires moral courage to requires moral courage to requires moral courage to to act on it you know and particularly to act on it you know and particularly to act on it you know and particularly you know in you know in you know in you know any time that a nation is at you know any time that a nation is at you know any time that a nation is at War there is kind of a momentum or an War there is kind of a momentum or an War there is kind of a momentum or an inertia that says okay let's not look at inertia that says okay let's not look at inertia that says okay let's not look at this from the other person's point of this from the other person's point of this from the other person's point of view view view and um that's the time we really need to and um that's the time we really need to and um that's the time we really need to do that well if you can apply that do that well if you can apply that do that well if you can apply that style of empathy style of curiosity to style of empathy style of curiosity to style of empathy style of curiosity to the current war in Ukraine the current war in Ukraine the current war in Ukraine what is your understanding of why Russia what is your understanding of why Russia what is your understanding of why Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022 invaded Ukraine in February 2022 invaded Ukraine in February 2022 Vladimir Putin could have avoided the Vladimir Putin could have avoided the Vladimir Putin could have avoided the war in the Ukraine well his invasion was war in the Ukraine well his invasion was war in the Ukraine well his invasion was illegal it was unnecessary and it was illegal it was unnecessary and it was illegal it was unnecessary and it was brutal brutal brutal um but um but um but I think it's important for us I think it's important for us I think it's important for us to move Beyond these kind of comic book to move Beyond these kind of comic book to move Beyond these kind of comic book depictions of a uh you know of this depictions of a uh you know of this depictions of a uh you know of this insane uh avaricious insane uh avaricious insane uh avaricious Russian leader who wants to you know Russian leader who wants to you know Russian leader who wants to you know restore the Soviet Empire and that restore the Soviet Empire and that restore the Soviet Empire and that that's why and it was I and who made an that's why and it was I and who made an that's why and it was I and who made an unfoged unprovoked unfoged unprovoked unfoged unprovoked um um um invasion of the Ukraine he was provoked

invasion of the Ukraine he was provoked invasion of the Ukraine he was provoked and we were provoking them and we were and we were provoking them and we were and we were provoking them and we were provoking him for for since 1997. provoking him for for since 1997. provoking him for for since 1997. and it's not just me that's saying that and it's not just me that's saying that and it's not just me that's saying that I mean when when and before right before I mean when when and before right before I mean when when and before right before Putin never came in Putin never came in Putin never came in we were provoking Russia Russians in we were provoking Russia Russians in we were provoking Russia Russians in this way unnecessarily this way unnecessarily this way unnecessarily and to go back that time in 1992 when and to go back that time in 1992 when and to go back that time in 1992 when the Russians moved out when the Soviet the Russians moved out when the Soviet the Russians moved out when the Soviet Union was collapsing Union was collapsing Union was collapsing the Russians moved out of East Germany the Russians moved out of East Germany the Russians moved out of East Germany and they did that which was a huge and they did that which was a huge and they did that which was a huge concession and they had 400 000 troops concession and they had 400 000 troops concession and they had 400 000 troops in East Germany at that time and they in East Germany at that time and they in East Germany at that time and they were facing NATO troops on the other were facing NATO troops on the other were facing NATO troops on the other side of the wall side of the wall side of the wall a Gorbachev made this huge concession a Gorbachev made this huge concession a Gorbachev made this huge concession where he said to George Bush where he said to George Bush where he said to George Bush I'm going to move all of our troops out I'm going to move all of our troops out I'm going to move all of our troops out and you can then reunify Germany under and you can then reunify Germany under and you can then reunify Germany under NATO which was a hostile Army to the to NATO which was a hostile Army to the to NATO which was a hostile Army to the to the South it was created to you know uh the South it was created to you know uh the South it was created to you know uh with hostile intent with the Soviet with hostile intent with the Soviet with hostile intent with the Soviet Union Union Union and he said you can take Germany but I and he said you can take Germany but I and he said you can take Germany but I want your promise that you will not move want your promise that you will not move want your promise that you will not move NATO to the East and James Baker who was NATO to the East and James Baker who was NATO to the East and James Baker who was the Secretary of State famously said the Secretary of State famously said the Secretary of State famously said I will not move NATO we will not move I will not move NATO we will not move I will not move NATO we will not move Nato one inch to the east so then five Nato one inch to the east so then five Nato one inch to the east so then five years later in 1997 it's a big new years later in 1997 it's a big new years later in 1997 it's a big new Brzezinski who was kind of the father of Brzezinski who was kind of the father of Brzezinski who was kind of the father of the neocons the neocons the neocons who's a Democrat that time served in the who's a Democrat that time served in the who's a Democrat that time served in the in the uh Carter Administration in the uh Carter Administration in the uh Carter Administration he said he published a paper a blueprint he said he published a paper a blueprint he said he published a paper a blueprint for moving NATO right up to the Russian

for moving NATO right up to the Russian for moving NATO right up to the Russian border a thousand miles to the east border a thousand miles to the east border a thousand miles to the east and and taking over 14 Nations and and taking over 14 Nations and and taking over 14 Nations and at that time George Cannon who was and at that time George Cannon who was and at that time George Cannon who was the kind of the deity of American the kind of the deity of American the kind of the deity of American diplomats he was probably arguably diplomats he was probably arguably diplomats he was probably arguably arguably the most important Diplomat in arguably the most important Diplomat in arguably the most important Diplomat in American history American history American history he was the architect of the containment he was the architect of the containment he was the architect of the containment policy during World War II policy during World War II policy during World War II and he said this is insane and it's and he said this is insane and it's and he said this is insane and it's unnecessary and if you do this it's unnecessary and if you do this it's unnecessary and if you do this it's going to provoke the Soviet uh I mean going to provoke the Soviet uh I mean going to provoke the Soviet uh I mean the Russians of violent response and we the Russians of violent response and we the Russians of violent response and we should be making friends with the should be making friends with the should be making friends with the Russians they lost the Cold War Russians they lost the Cold War Russians they lost the Cold War we should be treating them the way that we should be treating them the way that we should be treating them the way that we treated the our adversaries after we treated the our adversaries after we treated the our adversaries after World War II like with a Marshall plan World War II like with a Marshall plan World War II like with a Marshall plan to try to help them incorporate into to try to help them incorporate into to try to help them incorporate into Europe and to be part of the the Europe and to be part of the the Europe and to be part of the the Brotherhood of you know of man and of Brotherhood of you know of man and of Brotherhood of you know of man and of Western Nations we shouldn't continue to Western Nations we shouldn't continue to Western Nations we shouldn't continue to be treating him as an enemy and be treating him as an enemy and be treating him as an enemy and particularly surrounding them at their particularly surrounding them at their particularly surrounding them at their borders borders borders William Perry who was then the Secretary William Perry who was then the Secretary William Perry who was then the Secretary of State of uh defense under Bill of State of uh defense under Bill of State of uh defense under Bill Clinton threatened to resign he was so Clinton threatened to resign he was so Clinton threatened to resign he was so upset by this plan to move NATO to the upset by this plan to move NATO to the upset by this plan to move NATO to the ease ease ease and William Burns who is then the U.S and William Burns who is then the U.S and William Burns who is then the U.S ambassador of the Soviet Union who's now ambassador of the Soviet Union who's now ambassador of the Soviet Union who's now at this moment the head of the CIA said at this moment the head of the CIA said at this moment the head of the CIA said at the time the same thing at the time the same thing at the time the same thing if you do this it is going to provoke if you do this it is going to provoke if you do this it is going to provoke the Russians toward a military response the Russians toward a military response the Russians toward a military response and the we we moved it we moved all and the we we moved it we moved all and the we we moved it we moved all around Russia we moved to 14 Nations a

around Russia we moved to 14 Nations a around Russia we moved to 14 Nations a thousand miles to the East and we put thousand miles to the East and we put thousand miles to the East and we put eight dismissal systems eight dismissal systems eight dismissal systems and two nations in Romania and Poland so and two nations in Romania and Poland so and two nations in Romania and Poland so we did what you know what the Russians we did what you know what the Russians we did what you know what the Russians had done to us in 1962 that ever vote had done to us in 1962 that ever vote had done to us in 1962 that ever vote would have provoked an invasion of Cuba would have provoked an invasion of Cuba would have provoked an invasion of Cuba we put those missile systems back there we put those missile systems back there we put those missile systems back there and then we walk away unilaterally walk and then we walk away unilaterally walk and then we walk away unilaterally walk away from the two uh nuclear missile away from the two uh nuclear missile away from the two uh nuclear missile treaties the intermediate nuclear treaties the intermediate nuclear treaties the intermediate nuclear missile treaties that we had with us missile treaties that we had with us missile treaties that we had with us with Russia with Russia with Russia and when neither of us would put on and when neither of us would put on and when neither of us would put on those missile systems on the borders those missile systems on the borders those missile systems on the borders we walk away from that and we put Aegis we walk away from that and we put Aegis we walk away from that and we put Aegis missile systems which are nuclear missile systems which are nuclear missile systems which are nuclear capable they can carry the Tomahawk capable they can carry the Tomahawk capable they can carry the Tomahawk missile switch of nuclear warheads so missile switch of nuclear warheads so missile switch of nuclear warheads so the last uh country that they didn't the last uh country that they didn't the last uh country that they didn't take was the Ukraine and the Russians take was the Ukraine and the Russians take was the Ukraine and the Russians said and in effect Bill Perry said this said and in effect Bill Perry said this said and in effect Bill Perry said this or William Byrne said it so now the head or William Byrne said it so now the head or William Byrne said it so now the head of the CIA of the CIA of the CIA it is a red line if we go into if we it is a red line if we go into if we it is a red line if we go into if we bring NATO into Ukraine that is a red bring NATO into Ukraine that is a red bring NATO into Ukraine that is a red line for the Russians they cannot live line for the Russians they cannot live line for the Russians they cannot live with it they cannot live with it Russia with it they cannot live with it Russia with it they cannot live with it Russia has been invaded has been invaded has been invaded three times through the Ukraine three times through the Ukraine three times through the Ukraine the last time it was invaded we killed the last time it was invaded we killed the last time it was invaded we killed or the Germans killed one out of every or the Germans killed one out of every or the Germans killed one out of every seven Russians they destroyed my uncle seven Russians they destroyed my uncle seven Russians they destroyed my uncle described what happened to Russia described what happened to Russia described what happened to Russia um in his famous American University um in his famous American University um in his famous American University speech in in uh in 1963 speech in in uh in 1963 speech in in uh in 1963 60 years ago this month 60 years ago this month 60 years ago this month or he's or last month 60 years ago in or he's or last month 60 years ago in or he's or last month 60 years ago in June June 10th 1963. he told that speech

June June 10th 1963. he told that speech June June 10th 1963. he told that speech was telling American people put yourself was telling American people put yourself was telling American people put yourself in the choose the Russians in the choose the Russians in the choose the Russians we need to do that if we're gonna if we need to do that if we're gonna if we need to do that if we're gonna if we're gonna make peace we're gonna make peace we're gonna make peace and he said all of us have been taught and he said all of us have been taught and he said all of us have been taught you know that we won the war but we you know that we won the war but we you know that we won the war but we didn't win the war the Russians if didn't win the war the Russians if didn't win the war the Russians if anybody won the war against Hitler was anybody won the war against Hitler was anybody won the war against Hitler was the Russians the Russians the Russians their country was destroyed they they their country was destroyed they they their country was destroyed they they all of their cities and he said imagine all of their cities and he said imagine all of their cities and he said imagine if all of the Cities if all of the Cities if all of the Cities on the east coast of Chicago were on the east coast of Chicago were on the east coast of Chicago were reduced to rubble and all of the fields reduced to rubble and all of the fields reduced to rubble and all of the fields Burns all the force Burns that's what Burns all the force Burns that's what Burns all the force Burns that's what happened to Russia that's what they gave happened to Russia that's what they gave happened to Russia that's what they gave so that we could get rid of Adolf Hitler so that we could get rid of Adolf Hitler so that we could get rid of Adolf Hitler and he had them put themselves in their and he had them put themselves in their and he had them put themselves in their position and you know today there's none position and you know today there's none position and you know today there's none of that happening we have refused of that happening we have refused of that happening we have refused repeatedly to uh to talk to the Russians repeatedly to uh to talk to the Russians repeatedly to uh to talk to the Russians we've broken up there's two treaties the we've broken up there's two treaties the we've broken up there's two treaties the Minsk agreements which the Russians were Minsk agreements which the Russians were Minsk agreements which the Russians were willing to sign and they said we will willing to sign and they said we will willing to sign and they said we will stay out the Russians didn't want the stay out the Russians didn't want the stay out the Russians didn't want the Ukraine they showed that Ukraine they showed that Ukraine they showed that when they when the Don BOS region voted when they when the Don BOS region voted when they when the Don BOS region voted 90 to 10 90 to 10 90 to 10 to leave and go to Russia Putin said no to leave and go to Russia Putin said no to leave and go to Russia Putin said no we want Ukraine to stay intact but we we want Ukraine to stay intact but we we want Ukraine to stay intact but we want you to sign a Memphis Accords to to want you to sign a Memphis Accords to to want you to sign a Memphis Accords to to you know they the Russians were were you know they the Russians were were you know they the Russians were were very worried because of the U.S very worried because of the U.S very worried because of the U.S involvement in the coup in Ukraine in involvement in the coup in Ukraine in involvement in the coup in Ukraine in 2014.

2014. 2014. and then the oppression and the and the and then the oppression and the and the and then the oppression and the and the you know and the killing of 14 000 you know and the killing of 14 000 you know and the killing of 14 000 ethnic Russians and Russia hasn't had ethnic Russians and Russia hasn't had ethnic Russians and Russia hasn't had the same reason the same way that if the same reason the same way that if the same reason the same way that if Mexico Mexico Mexico would Aegis missile systems from China would Aegis missile systems from China would Aegis missile systems from China or Russia on our border and then killed or Russia on our border and then killed or Russia on our border and then killed 14 14 14 000 expats American we would go in there 000 expats American we would go in there 000 expats American we would go in there oh he does have a national security oh he does have a national security oh he does have a national security interest in the Ukraine he has an interest in the Ukraine he has an interest in the Ukraine he has an interest in protecting the interest in protecting the interest in protecting the russian-speaking people of the Ukraine russian-speaking people of the Ukraine russian-speaking people of the Ukraine yeah I think Russians and yeah I think Russians and yeah I think Russians and the Minsk accordions at it it left the Minsk accordions at it it left the Minsk accordions at it it left Ukraine as part of Russia and left him Ukraine as part of Russia and left him Ukraine as part of Russia and left him as a semi-autonomous region that could as a semi-autonomous region that could as a semi-autonomous region that could continue to use their own language which continue to use their own language which continue to use their own language which is essentially banned by the coup by the is essentially banned by the coup by the is essentially banned by the coup by the government we put in in 2014. government we put in in 2014. government we put in in 2014. um and uh and we wouldn't we we um and uh and we wouldn't we we um and uh and we wouldn't we we sabotaged that agreement and and we now sabotaged that agreement and and we now sabotaged that agreement and and we now know in April of 2022 know in April of 2022 know in April of 2022 zielinski and uh Putin had Inked a deal zielinski and uh Putin had Inked a deal zielinski and uh Putin had Inked a deal already to another peace agreement and already to another peace agreement and already to another peace agreement and that the United States sent Boris that the United States sent Boris that the United States sent Boris Johnson the neocons in the White House Johnson the neocons in the White House Johnson the neocons in the White House and Boris Johnson over to the Ukraine to and Boris Johnson over to the Ukraine to and Boris Johnson over to the Ukraine to sabotage that agreement so sabotage that agreement so sabotage that agreement so what do I think I think this is a proxy what do I think I think this is a proxy what do I think I think this is a proxy war I think this is a you know this is a war I think this is a you know this is a war I think this is a you know this is a war that the neoconsi and the White war that the neoconsi and the White war that the neoconsi and the White House wanted they've said for two House wanted they've said for two House wanted they've said for two decades they wanted this war decades they wanted this war decades they wanted this war and that they wanted to use Ukraine as a and that they wanted to use Ukraine as a and that they wanted to use Ukraine as a pawn in a proxy war between uh United

pawn in a proxy war between uh United pawn in a proxy war between uh United States and Russia the same as we used States and Russia the same as we used States and Russia the same as we used Afghanistan Afghanistan Afghanistan and in fact they say it this is the and in fact they say it this is the and in fact they say it this is the model let's use the Afghanistan model model let's use the Afghanistan model model let's use the Afghanistan model that was set again and again and to to that was set again and again and to to that was set again and again and to to get the Russians to overextend their get the Russians to overextend their get the Russians to overextend their troops and then fight them using local troops and then fight them using local troops and then fight them using local uh Fighters and U.S weapons uh Fighters and U.S weapons uh Fighters and U.S weapons and when President Biden was asked why and when President Biden was asked why and when President Biden was asked why are we in the Ukraine he was honest he are we in the Ukraine he was honest he are we in the Ukraine he was honest he says to depose Vladimir Putin regime says to depose Vladimir Putin regime says to depose Vladimir Putin regime change for Vladimir Putin and when his change for Vladimir Putin and when his change for Vladimir Putin and when his defense secretary Lloyd Austin in April defense secretary Lloyd Austin in April defense secretary Lloyd Austin in April 2022 was asked you know why are we there 2022 was asked you know why are we there 2022 was asked you know why are we there he said to degrade the Russians capacity he said to degrade the Russians capacity he said to degrade the Russians capacity to fight anywhere to exhaust the Russian to fight anywhere to exhaust the Russian to fight anywhere to exhaust the Russian army and degrade its capacity to fight army and degrade its capacity to fight army and degrade its capacity to fight elsewhere in the world elsewhere in the world elsewhere in the world that's not a humanitarian Mission that's that's not a humanitarian Mission that's that's not a humanitarian Mission that's not what we were told we were we were not what we were told we were we were not what we were told we were we were told this was an unprovoked invasion told this was an unprovoked invasion told this was an unprovoked invasion but but but and that we're there to bring a and that we're there to bring a and that we're there to bring a humanitarian relief to the ukrainians humanitarian relief to the ukrainians humanitarian relief to the ukrainians but that is the opposite that is a war but that is the opposite that is a war but that is the opposite that is a war of attrition that is designed to chew up of attrition that is designed to chew up of attrition that is designed to chew up turn this little nation into an abattoir turn this little nation into an abattoir turn this little nation into an abattoir of death for the flower of Ukrainian of death for the flower of Ukrainian of death for the flower of Ukrainian youth in order to advance a geopolitical youth in order to advance a geopolitical youth in order to advance a geopolitical ambition of certain people within the ambition of certain people within the ambition of certain people within the White House and uh you know I think White House and uh you know I think White House and uh you know I think that's wrong that's wrong that's wrong we should be talking to the Russians the we should be talking to the Russians the we should be talking to the Russians the way that you know Nixon talked to way that you know Nixon talked to way that you know Nixon talked to prashnav prashnav prashnav the way that bush talked to Gorbachev the way that bush talked to Gorbachev the way that bush talked to Gorbachev the way that my uncle talked to the way that my uncle talked to the way that my uncle talked to Khrushchev we need to be talking with Khrushchev we need to be talking with Khrushchev we need to be talking with the Russians we should and and and

the Russians we should and and and the Russians we should and and and negotiating and we need to be looking negotiating and we need to be looking negotiating and we need to be looking about how do we end this and preserve about how do we end this and preserve about how do we end this and preserve peace in Europe would you as president peace in Europe would you as president peace in Europe would you as president sit down and have a conversation with sit down and have a conversation with sit down and have a conversation with Vladimir Putin and Vladimir zolensky Vladimir Putin and Vladimir zolensky Vladimir Putin and Vladimir zolensky separately and together to negotiate separately and together to negotiate separately and together to negotiate peace absolutely peace absolutely peace absolutely what about Vladimir Putin what about Vladimir Putin what about Vladimir Putin he's been in power since 2000. he's been in power since 2000. he's been in power since 2000. so as the old adage goes power corrupts so as the old adage goes power corrupts so as the old adage goes power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely and absolute power corrupts absolutely and absolute power corrupts absolutely uh do you think he is uh do you think he is uh do you think he is been corrupted by being in power for so been corrupted by being in power for so been corrupted by being in power for so long if you think of the male if you long if you think of the male if you long if you think of the male if you look at his mind listen I don't know look at his mind listen I don't know look at his mind listen I don't know exactly exactly exactly um I can't say because I just I don't um I can't say because I just I don't um I can't say because I just I don't know enough about him or about you know know enough about him or about you know know enough about him or about you know like my the evidence that I've seen like my the evidence that I've seen like my the evidence that I've seen is that he is homicidal he kills his is that he is homicidal he kills his is that he is homicidal he kills his enemies or poisons them enemies or poisons them enemies or poisons them and you know the reaction I've seen to and you know the reaction I've seen to and you know the reaction I've seen to that to hit those accusations from him that to hit those accusations from him that to hit those accusations from him have not been to deny that but to kind have not been to deny that but to kind have not been to deny that but to kind of laugh it off of laugh it off of laugh it off I think he's a dangerous man and that of I think he's a dangerous man and that of I think he's a dangerous man and that of course you know course you know course you know um there's probably corruption in his um there's probably corruption in his um there's probably corruption in his regime but having said that regime but having said that regime but having said that it's not our business it's not our business it's not our business to change the Russian government and to change the Russian government and to change the Russian government and anybody who thinks it's a good idea to anybody who thinks it's a good idea to anybody who thinks it's a good idea to do regime change in Russia which has do regime change in Russia which has do regime change in Russia which has more nuclear weapons than we do more nuclear weapons than we do more nuclear weapons than we do um is I think irresponsible and you know

um is I think irresponsible and you know um is I think irresponsible and you know Vladimir Putin himself has said you know Vladimir Putin himself has said you know Vladimir Putin himself has said you know we will not live in a world without we will not live in a world without we will not live in a world without Russia and it was clear when he said Russia and it was clear when he said Russia and it was clear when he said that that he was talking about himself that that he was talking about himself that that he was talking about himself and uh and he has his hand on a button and uh and he has his hand on a button and uh and he has his hand on a button that could bring you know Armageddon to that could bring you know Armageddon to that could bring you know Armageddon to the entire planet so why are we messing the entire planet so why are we messing the entire planet so why are we messing with this it's not our job to change with this it's not our job to change with this it's not our job to change that regime and and we should be making that regime and and we should be making that regime and and we should be making friends with the Russians we shouldn't friends with the Russians we shouldn't friends with the Russians we shouldn't be treating him as an enemy now we've be treating him as an enemy now we've be treating him as an enemy now we've pushed him into the camp with China pushed him into the camp with China pushed him into the camp with China that's not a good thing for our country that's not a good thing for our country that's not a good thing for our country and by the way and by the way and by the way you know what we're doing now does not you know what we're doing now does not you know what we're doing now does not appear to be weakening Putin at all appear to be weakening Putin at all appear to be weakening Putin at all Putin now you know if you believe the Putin now you know if you believe the Putin now you know if you believe the the polls that are coming out of the polls that are coming out of the polls that are coming out of Russia Russia Russia they show him you know the most recent they show him you know the most recent they show him you know the most recent polls that I've seen polls that I've seen polls that I've seen um show him with that 89 popularity that um show him with that 89 popularity that um show him with that 89 popularity that people in Russia support the war in people in Russia support the war in people in Russia support the war in Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine and that and they supported him as an and that and they supported him as an and that and they supported him as an individual individual individual so um and I understand there's problems so um and I understand there's problems so um and I understand there's problems with polling and you know you don't know with polling and you know you don't know with polling and you know you don't know what to believe but but the polls what to believe but but the polls what to believe but but the polls consistently show that and consistently show that and consistently show that and um and I you know it's not America's um and I you know it's not America's um and I you know it's not America's business to be the policeman of the business to be the policeman of the business to be the policeman of the world and to be changing regimes in the world and to be changing regimes in the world and to be changing regimes in the world that's illegal or not we shouldn't world that's illegal or not we shouldn't world that's illegal or not we shouldn't be breaking International laws be breaking International laws be breaking International laws you know we should actually be looking you know we should actually be looking you know we should actually be looking for ways for ways for ways to improve relationships with Russia not to improve relationships with Russia not to improve relationships with Russia not to you know not to destroy Russia not to

to you know not to destroy Russia not to to you know not to destroy Russia not to destroy and not to choose its leadership destroy and not to choose its leadership destroy and not to choose its leadership for them that's up to the Russian people for them that's up to the Russian people for them that's up to the Russian people not us so step one is to sit down and not us so step one is to sit down and not us so step one is to sit down and empathize with the leaders of both empathize with the leaders of both empathize with the leaders of both Nations to understand their history Nations to understand their history Nations to understand their history their concerns their hopes their concerns their hopes their concerns their hopes just to open the door for conversation just to open the door for conversation just to open the door for conversation so they're not back to the corner and I so they're not back to the corner and I so they're not back to the corner and I think the U.S can play think the U.S can play think the U.S can play a really important role and a U.S a really important role and a U.S a really important role and a U.S president can play a really important president can play a really important president can play a really important role by reassuring the Russians that role by reassuring the Russians that role by reassuring the Russians that we're not going to consider them an we're not going to consider them an we're not going to consider them an enemy anymore that we want to be friends enemy anymore that we want to be friends enemy anymore that we want to be friends and it doesn't mean that you have to let and it doesn't mean that you have to let and it doesn't mean that you have to let down your guard completely the way that down your guard completely the way that down your guard completely the way that you do it which was the way President you do it which was the way President you do it which was the way President Kennedy did it is you do it one step at Kennedy did it is you do it one step at Kennedy did it is you do it one step at a time you take baby steps we do a a time you take baby steps we do a a time you take baby steps we do a unilateral move unilateral move unilateral move reduce or you know our our hostility and reduce or you know our our hostility and reduce or you know our our hostility and aggression and see if the Russians aggression and see if the Russians aggression and see if the Russians reciprocate and um and that's the way reciprocate and um and that's the way reciprocate and um and that's the way that we should be doing it and you know that we should be doing it and you know that we should be doing it and you know we should be easing our way we should be easing our way we should be easing our way into a positive relationship with Russia into a positive relationship with Russia into a positive relationship with Russia we have a lot in common with Russia and we have a lot in common with Russia and we have a lot in common with Russia and we should be friends with Russia and we should be friends with Russia and we should be friends with Russia and with the Russian people I mean you know with the Russian people I mean you know with the Russian people I mean you know apparently there's been 350 000 apparently there's been 350 000 apparently there's been 350 000 ukrainians ukrainians ukrainians who have died at least in this war and who have died at least in this war and who have died at least in this war and uh and there's probably been uh 60 or 80 uh and there's probably been uh 60 or 80 uh and there's probably been uh 60 or 80 000 Russians and that should not give us 000 Russians and that should not give us 000 Russians and that should not give us any Joy it should not give us any you any Joy it should not give us any you any Joy it should not give us any you know I saw know I saw know I saw Lindsey Graham on TV saying you know

Lindsey Graham on TV saying you know Lindsey Graham on TV saying you know anything we can something to the extent anything we can something to the extent anything we can something to the extent that anything we can do to kill Russians that anything we can do to kill Russians that anything we can do to kill Russians is a good use of our money that it is is a good use of our money that it is is a good use of our money that it is not you know those are those are not you know those are those are not you know those are those are somebody's children they're you know we somebody's children they're you know we somebody's children they're you know we should have compassion for them this war should have compassion for them this war should have compassion for them this war is an unnecessary War we should settle is an unnecessary War we should settle is an unnecessary War we should settle it through negotiation through diplomacy it through negotiation through diplomacy it through negotiation through diplomacy through statecraft through statecraft through statecraft and not through weapons do you think and not through weapons do you think and not through weapons do you think this war can come to an end purely this war can come to an end purely this war can come to an end purely through military through military through military operations no I mean I don't think operations no I mean I don't think operations no I mean I don't think there's any way in the world that the there's any way in the world that the there's any way in the world that the ukrainians can beat the Russians I don't ukrainians can beat the Russians I don't ukrainians can beat the Russians I don't think there's any appetite in Europe I think there's any appetite in Europe I think there's any appetite in Europe I think Europe is now you know uh in think Europe is now you know uh in think Europe is now you know uh in having severe problems in Germany Italy having severe problems in Germany Italy having severe problems in Germany Italy France you're seeing these riots there's France you're seeing these riots there's France you're seeing these riots there's internal problems in those countries internal problems in those countries internal problems in those countries there is no appetite in there is no appetite in there is no appetite in um in uh in Europe for sending men to um in uh in Europe for sending men to um in uh in Europe for sending men to die in Ukraine and the ukrainians do not die in Ukraine and the ukrainians do not die in Ukraine and the ukrainians do not have anybody left the ukrainians are have anybody left the ukrainians are have anybody left the ukrainians are using press gangs too uh to you know to using press gangs too uh to you know to using press gangs too uh to you know to fill the ranks of their armies men fill the ranks of their armies men fill the ranks of their armies men military age men military age men military age men are trying as hard as they can to get are trying as hard as they can to get are trying as hard as they can to get out of the Ukraine right now to avoid out of the Ukraine right now to avoid out of the Ukraine right now to avoid going to the front the front you know going to the front the front you know going to the front the front you know the Russians apparently have been the Russians apparently have been the Russians apparently have been killing ukrainians in a seven to one killing ukrainians in a seven to one killing ukrainians in a seven to one ratio ratio ratio my son fought over there and he told me my son fought over there and he told me my son fought over there and he told me it's not you know artillery he had it's not you know artillery he had it's not you know artillery he had um he had fire fights with the Russians um he had fire fights with the Russians um he had fire fights with the Russians mainly at night but he said most of the mainly at night but he said most of the mainly at night but he said most of the battles were artillery wars during the battles were artillery wars during the battles were artillery wars during the day and that the Russians now out uh

day and that the Russians now out uh day and that the Russians now out uh outgun the NATO forces ten to one in outgun the NATO forces ten to one in outgun the NATO forces ten to one in artillery artillery artillery oh they're killing at a horrendous rate oh they're killing at a horrendous rate oh they're killing at a horrendous rate now you know my interpretation of what's now you know my interpretation of what's now you know my interpretation of what's happened so far is that the happened so far is that the happened so far is that the Putin actually went in early on Putin actually went in early on Putin actually went in early on with a small Force because he expected with a small Force because he expected with a small Force because he expected to meet somebody on the other end of a to meet somebody on the other end of a to meet somebody on the other end of a negotiating table that once he went in negotiating table that once he went in negotiating table that once he went in and uh and that when that didn't happen and uh and that when that didn't happen and uh and that when that didn't happen they did not have a large enough Force they did not have a large enough Force they did not have a large enough Force to be able to mount an offensive and so to be able to mount an offensive and so to be able to mount an offensive and so they've been building up that Force up they've been building up that Force up they've been building up that Force up to now and they now have that force and to now and they now have that force and to now and they now have that force and even against this all original Force the even against this all original Force the even against this all original Force the ukrainians have been uh helpless ukrainians have been uh helpless ukrainians have been uh helpless all of their offenses have died they've all of their offenses have died they've all of their offenses have died they've now killed you know the head of the now killed you know the head of the now killed you know the head of the Ukrainian um Ukrainian um Ukrainian um Special Forces which was the probably Special Forces which was the probably Special Forces which was the probably arguably by many accounts the best uh arguably by many accounts the best uh arguably by many accounts the best uh Elite military unit in all of Europe Elite military unit in all of Europe Elite military unit in all of Europe the the commandant the commander of of the the commandant the commander of of the the commandant the commander of of the uh That Special Forces Group the uh That Special Forces Group the uh That Special Forces Group uh gave a speech about uh four months uh gave a speech about uh four months uh gave a speech about uh four months ago saying that 86 percent of his men ago saying that 86 percent of his men ago saying that 86 percent of his men are dead or wounded and will cannot are dead or wounded and will cannot are dead or wounded and will cannot return to the front he cannot rebuild return to the front he cannot rebuild return to the front he cannot rebuild that for us that for us that for us um the uh and you know the the the um the uh and you know the the the um the uh and you know the the the troops that are now headed that are now troops that are now headed that are now troops that are now headed that are now filling the gaps of all those 350 000

filling the gaps of all those 350 000 filling the gaps of all those 350 000 men who've been lost men who've been lost men who've been lost are are scantily trained and they're are are scantily trained and they're are are scantily trained and they're arriving green at the front any of them arriving green at the front any of them arriving green at the front any of them do not want to be there many of them are do not want to be there many of them are do not want to be there many of them are giving up and going over the Russian giving up and going over the Russian giving up and going over the Russian side we've seen this again and again side we've seen this again and again side we've seen this again and again again including platoon-sized groups again including platoon-sized groups again including platoon-sized groups that are defecting to the Russians that are defecting to the Russians that are defecting to the Russians and and and um I don't think it's possible to win um I don't think it's possible to win um I don't think it's possible to win and anybody you know I saw I I of course and anybody you know I saw I I of course and anybody you know I saw I I of course I've studied World War II history I've studied World War II history I've studied World War II history exhaustively I mean I saw a exhaustively I mean I saw a exhaustively I mean I saw a um there's a new I think it's a Netflix um there's a new I think it's a Netflix um there's a new I think it's a Netflix series of documentaries that I highly series of documentaries that I highly series of documentaries that I highly recommend to people there it's they're recommend to people there it's they're recommend to people there it's they're colorized versions of the black and colorized versions of the black and colorized versions of the black and white white white um um um films from the battles of World War II films from the battles of World War II films from the battles of World War II but it's all the battles of World War II but it's all the battles of World War II but it's all the battles of World War II so I watched Stalingrad so I watched Stalingrad so I watched Stalingrad the other night and uh you know the the the other night and uh you know the the the other night and uh you know the the willingness of the Russians to um to willingness of the Russians to um to willingness of the Russians to um to fight on against any kind of outs and to fight on against any kind of outs and to fight on against any kind of outs and to make huge sacrifices make huge sacrifices make huge sacrifices of the Russians themselves who were of the Russians themselves who were of the Russians themselves who were making the sacrifice with their lives making the sacrifice with their lives making the sacrifice with their lives the willingness of them to do that for the willingness of them to do that for the willingness of them to do that for their motherland is almost inexhaustible their motherland is almost inexhaustible their motherland is almost inexhaustible It is incomprehensible It is incomprehensible It is incomprehensible to think that the uh that Ukraine can to think that the uh that Ukraine can to think that the uh that Ukraine can can beat Russia in a war it would be can beat Russia in a war it would be can beat Russia in a war it would be like Mexico beating the United States like Mexico beating the United States like Mexico beating the United States it's just it's impossible to think that it's just it's impossible to think that it's just it's impossible to think that it can happen and you know Russia has it can happen and you know Russia has it can happen and you know Russia has deployed deployed deployed a tiny tiny fraction of its military so

a tiny tiny fraction of its military so a tiny tiny fraction of its military so far and uh you know now it has China far and uh you know now it has China far and uh you know now it has China with its mass production capacity with its mass production capacity with its mass production capacity supporting its war effort it's just supporting its war effort it's just supporting its war effort it's just it's a it's a hopeless situation and it's a it's a hopeless situation and it's a it's a hopeless situation and we've been lied to you know we're the we've been lied to you know we're the we've been lied to you know we're the the press in our country and our the press in our country and our the press in our country and our government are just are just you know government are just are just you know government are just are just you know promoting this lie that the ukrainians promoting this lie that the ukrainians promoting this lie that the ukrainians are about to win and everything's going are about to win and everything's going are about to win and everything's going great and that great and that great and that Putin's on the run and there's all this Putin's on the run and there's all this Putin's on the run and there's all this wishful thinking because of the the wishful thinking because of the the wishful thinking because of the the Wagner group you know the uh the Goshen Wagner group you know the uh the Goshen Wagner group you know the uh the Goshen and the Wagner group that this was an and the Wagner group that this was an and the Wagner group that this was an internal coup and it showed dissent and internal coup and it showed dissent and internal coup and it showed dissent and weakness of Putin and none of that is weakness of Putin and none of that is weakness of Putin and none of that is true I was saying that that true I was saying that that true I was saying that that Insurgency which wasn't even an Insurgency which wasn't even an Insurgency which wasn't even an Insurgency he only got four thousand of Insurgency he only got four thousand of Insurgency he only got four thousand of his of his men to follow him out of his of his men to follow him out of his of his men to follow him out of twenty thousand twenty thousand twenty thousand and they were quickly stopped and nobody and they were quickly stopped and nobody and they were quickly stopped and nobody in the Russian military the oligarchy in the Russian military the oligarchy in the Russian military the oligarchy the political system nobody supported it the political system nobody supported it the political system nobody supported it you know and but we're being told oh you know and but we're being told oh you know and but we're being told oh yeah it's the beginning of the end for yeah it's the beginning of the end for yeah it's the beginning of the end for Putin Putin Putin he's weakened his wounded he's on his he's weakened his wounded he's on his he's weakened his wounded he's on his way out and all of these things are just way out and all of these things are just way out and all of these things are just lies that we are being fed so they push lies that we are being fed so they push lies that we are being fed so they push back on a small aspect of this he kind back on a small aspect of this he kind back on a small aspect of this he kind of implied so I've traveled to Ukraine of implied so I've traveled to Ukraine of implied so I've traveled to Ukraine and one thing that I should say similar and one thing that I should say similar and one thing that I should say similar to the Battle of Stalingrad it is just to the Battle of Stalingrad it is just to the Battle of Stalingrad it is just not is not only the Russians that fight not is not only the Russians that fight not is not only the Russians that fight to the end I think ukrainians are very to the end I think ukrainians are very to the end I think ukrainians are very yeah to fight to the end and the morale yeah to fight to the end and the morale yeah to fight to the end and the morale there there there is quite High I've talked to nobody this is quite High I've talked to nobody this is quite High I've talked to nobody this was a year ago in August with her son

was a year ago in August with her son was a year ago in August with her son everybody was proud to fight and die for everybody was proud to fight and die for everybody was proud to fight and die for their country and there's some aspect their country and there's some aspect their country and there's some aspect where this war unified the people to get where this war unified the people to get where this war unified the people to get gave them a reason and an understanding gave them a reason and an understanding gave them a reason and an understanding that this is what it means to be that this is what it means to be that this is what it means to be Ukrainian and I will fight to the death Ukrainian and I will fight to the death Ukrainian and I will fight to the death I you know I would agree with that and I I you know I would agree with that and I I you know I would agree with that and I I should have said that myself at the I should have said that myself at the I should have said that myself at the beginning but you know that's the reason beginning but you know that's the reason beginning but you know that's the reason my son went over there to fight because my son went over there to fight because my son went over there to fight because the you know he was inspired by The the you know he was inspired by The the you know he was inspired by The Valor of the Ukrainian people and the Valor of the Ukrainian people and the Valor of the Ukrainian people and the you know this extraordinary willingness you know this extraordinary willingness you know this extraordinary willingness of them and I think Putin thought it of them and I think Putin thought it of them and I think Putin thought it would be much easier to sweep into would be much easier to sweep into would be much easier to sweep into Ukraine and he found you know a stone Ukraine and he found you know a stone Ukraine and he found you know a stone wall of ukrainians whether it read it wall of ukrainians whether it read it wall of ukrainians whether it read it but they're but they're but they're their lives and their bodies online but their lives and their bodies online but their lives and their bodies online but that to me makes the the whole episode that to me makes the the whole episode that to me makes the the whole episode even more tragic is that you know even more tragic is that you know even more tragic is that you know um I don't believe I I and I I think um I don't believe I I and I I think um I don't believe I I and I I think that the U.S role in this um has been uh has you know that there um has been uh has you know that there were there were many opportunities were there were many opportunities were there were many opportunities to settled this war and the ukrainians to settled this war and the ukrainians to settled this war and the ukrainians wanted a lot of marriage is a landscape wanted a lot of marriage is a landscape wanted a lot of marriage is a landscape when he ran in 2019. here's a guy who's when he ran in 2019. here's a guy who's when he ran in 2019. here's a guy who's a a comedian he's a he's an actor a a comedian he's a he's an actor a a comedian he's a he's an actor um he had no political experience and um he had no political experience and um he had no political experience and yet he won this election with 70 of the yet he won this election with 70 of the yet he won this election with 70 of the vote why he went on a peace platform vote why he went on a peace platform vote why he went on a peace platform anyone promising to sign the mystical anyone promising to sign the mystical anyone promising to sign the mystical courts and yet something happened when courts and yet something happened when courts and yet something happened when he got in there that made him suddenly he got in there that made him suddenly he got in there that made him suddenly pivot and you know I think pivot and you know I think pivot and you know I think it's a good guess what happened I think it's a good guess what happened I think it's a good guess what happened I think he was you know he came under Threat by

he was you know he came under Threat by he was you know he came under Threat by Ultra natural and nationalists within Ultra natural and nationalists within Ultra natural and nationalists within his own Administration his own Administration his own Administration uh and the insistence of neocons like uh and the insistence of neocons like uh and the insistence of neocons like Victoria new and the White House that Victoria new and the White House that Victoria new and the White House that you know we don't want peace with Putin you know we don't want peace with Putin you know we don't want peace with Putin we want a war we want a war we want a war do you worry about nuclear war yeah I do you worry about nuclear war yeah I do you worry about nuclear war yeah I worry about it it's uh it seems like a worry about it it's uh it seems like a worry about it it's uh it seems like a silly question but it's not silly question but it's not silly question but it's not it's a serious question well the reason it's a serious question well the reason it's a serious question well the reason it's not you know the reason it it I it's not you know the reason it it I it's not you know the reason it it I might it's not is just because people might it's not is just because people might it's not is just because people seem to be in this kind of dream state seem to be in this kind of dream state seem to be in this kind of dream state about that it'll never happen about that it'll never happen about that it'll never happen and yet you know we're uh it can happen and yet you know we're uh it can happen and yet you know we're uh it can happen very easily and it can happen at any very easily and it can happen at any very easily and it can happen at any time and you know if we push the time and you know if we push the time and you know if we push the Russians too far you know I I don't Russians too far you know I I don't Russians too far you know I I don't doubt that Putin if he felt like his doubt that Putin if he felt like his doubt that Putin if he felt like his regime was in or his Nation regime was in or his Nation regime was in or his Nation was in danger that the United States was was in danger that the United States was was in danger that the United States was going to be able to going to be able to going to be able to place you know a quizling on you know in place you know a quizling on you know in place you know a quizling on you know in into the Kremlin into the Kremlin into the Kremlin um that he would use nuclear you know um that he would use nuclear you know um that he would use nuclear you know torpedoes um and uh you know these uh these um and uh you know these uh these strategic weapons that they have and strategic weapons that they have and strategic weapons that they have and that could be the man once you do that that could be the man once you do that that could be the man once you do that nobody controls the trajectory by the nobody controls the trajectory by the nobody controls the trajectory by the way way way you know I have I have very strong you know I have I have very strong you know I have I have very strong memories of the uh Cuban Missile Crisis memories of the uh Cuban Missile Crisis memories of the uh Cuban Missile Crisis and of those 13 days and of those 13 days and of those 13 days when we came closer to nuclear war you

when we came closer to nuclear war you when we came closer to nuclear war you know and particularly I think it was know and particularly I think it was know and particularly I think it was when the U2 got shot down over when the U2 got shot down over when the U2 got shot down over uh Cuba uh you know and nobody in this uh Cuba uh you know and nobody in this uh Cuba uh you know and nobody in this guy there's a lot of people in guy there's a lot of people in guy there's a lot of people in Washington DC who at that point thought Washington DC who at that point thought Washington DC who at that point thought that they very male and may well may that they very male and may well may that they very male and may well may wake up dead wake up dead wake up dead that the world may end at night 30 that the world may end at night 30 that the world may end at night 30 million Americans killed 130 million million Americans killed 130 million million Americans killed 130 million Russians Russians Russians this is what our military brass wanted this is what our military brass wanted this is what our military brass wanted they saw a war with Russia nuclear they saw a war with Russia nuclear they saw a war with Russia nuclear exchange with Russia as not only exchange with Russia as not only exchange with Russia as not only inevitable but also desirable because inevitable but also desirable because inevitable but also desirable because they wanted to do it now they wanted to do it now they wanted to do it now oh we still had a superiority can you oh we still had a superiority can you oh we still had a superiority can you actually go through the feelings you've actually go through the feelings you've actually go through the feelings you've had about the Cuban Missile Crisis like had about the Cuban Missile Crisis like had about the Cuban Missile Crisis like what what are your memories of it what what what are your memories of it what what what are your memories of it what are some interesting no in the middle I are some interesting no in the middle I are some interesting no in the middle I was going to school in Washington DC to was going to school in Washington DC to was going to school in Washington DC to um or to um um or to um um or to um Our Lady of Victory which is in Our Lady of Victory which is in Our Lady of Victory which is in Washington DC so we were I lived in Washington DC so we were I lived in Washington DC so we were I lived in Virginia across Atomic and we would Virginia across Atomic and we would Virginia across Atomic and we would cross the bridge every day into DC cross the bridge every day into DC cross the bridge every day into DC and during the crisis uh U.S Marshals and during the crisis uh U.S Marshals and during the crisis uh U.S Marshals came to my house came to my house came to my house to take us I think around day eight to take us I think around day eight to take us I think around day eight my father was spending the night at the my father was spending the night at the my father was spending the night at the White House he wasn't coming home he was White House he wasn't coming home he was White House he wasn't coming home he was staying with the XCOM committee and staying with the XCOM committee and staying with the XCOM committee and sleeping there and they were up you know sleeping there and they were up you know sleeping there and they were up you know 24 hours they were debating and fake 24 hours they were debating and fake 24 hours they were debating and fake trying to figure out what was happening trying to figure out what was happening trying to figure out what was happening and and and um but we had U.S Marshals come to our um but we had U.S Marshals come to our um but we had U.S Marshals come to our house to take us down they were going to house to take us down they were going to house to take us down they were going to take us down to um a White Sulfur

take us down to um a White Sulfur take us down to um a White Sulfur Springs Springs Springs and uh in Southern Virginia in the in and uh in Southern Virginia in the in and uh in Southern Virginia in the in the Blue Ridge Mountains where there was the Blue Ridge Mountains where there was the Blue Ridge Mountains where there was a a a um there was an underground city um there was an underground city um there was an underground city essentially a bunker that was like a essentially a bunker that was like a essentially a bunker that was like a city and apparently it had McDonald's in city and apparently it had McDonald's in city and apparently it had McDonald's in it and a lot of other you know it had it it and a lot of other you know it had it it and a lot of other you know it had it was a full City for the U.S government was a full City for the U.S government was a full City for the U.S government and their families and their families and their families U.S Marshals came to our house to take U.S Marshals came to our house to take U.S Marshals came to our house to take us down there and I was very excited us down there and I was very excited us down there and I was very excited about doing that and this was at a time about doing that and this was at a time about doing that and this was at a time you know when we were doing the drills you know when we were doing the drills you know when we were doing the drills we were doing the ducking cover drills we were doing the ducking cover drills we were doing the ducking cover drills um once a week at our school um once a week at our school um once a week at our school or they would tell you if they that you or they would tell you if they that you or they would tell you if they that you know when the alarms go off know when the alarms go off know when the alarms go off um then you you put your head onto the um then you you put your head onto the um then you you put your head onto the table you take the remove the Sharps table you take the remove the Sharps table you take the remove the Sharps from your desk from your desk from your desk put them inside your desk you put your put them inside your desk you put your put them inside your desk you put your head onto the table and you wait and the head onto the table and you wait and the head onto the table and you wait and the ignition blast will take the windows out ignition blast will take the windows out ignition blast will take the windows out of the school and then we all stand up of the school and then we all stand up of the school and then we all stand up and and file in an orderly fashion into and and file in an orderly fashion into and and file in an orderly fashion into the basement where we're going to be for the basement where we're going to be for the basement where we're going to be for the next six or eight months or whatever the next six or eight months or whatever the next six or eight months or whatever but in the basement where you know we we but in the basement where you know we we but in the basement where you know we we win occasionally in those corridors win occasionally in those corridors win occasionally in those corridors were lined with uh freeze-dried food were lined with uh freeze-dried food were lined with uh freeze-dried food canisters off to this here from Florida canisters off to this here from Florida canisters off to this here from Florida ceiling so people were you know we were ceiling so people were you know we were ceiling so people were you know we were all preparing for this and it was you all preparing for this and it was you all preparing for this and it was you know uh Bob McNamara who is my it was a know uh Bob McNamara who is my it was a know uh Bob McNamara who is my it was a friend of mine and you know it was my friend of mine and you know it was my friend of mine and you know it was my father one of my father's close friends father one of my father's close friends father one of my father's close friends as Secretary of Defense as Secretary of Defense as Secretary of Defense he later called Mass psychosis and my he later called Mass psychosis and my he later called Mass psychosis and my father deeply regretted participating in father deeply regretted participating in father deeply regretted participating in the bomb shelter program because he said

the bomb shelter program because he said the bomb shelter program because he said it was part of a a you know a it was part of a a you know a it was part of a a you know a psychological psyop trick psychological psyop trick psychological psyop trick to treat them to teach Americans that to treat them to teach Americans that to treat them to teach Americans that nuclear war was acceptable nuclear war was acceptable nuclear war was acceptable that it was survivable my father anyway that it was survivable my father anyway that it was survivable my father anyway when they when the marshals came to our when they when the marshals came to our when they when the marshals came to our house to take me and my brother Joe away house to take me and my brother Joe away house to take me and my brother Joe away and we were the ones who are home at and we were the ones who are home at and we were the ones who are home at that time yeah that time yeah that time yeah um my father called and he talked to us um my father called and he talked to us um my father called and he talked to us on the phone and he said on the phone and he said on the phone and he said I don't want you going down there I don't want you going down there I don't want you going down there because because because um um um because if you disappear from school because if you disappear from school because if you disappear from school people are going to panic people are going to panic people are going to panic and I need you to be a good soldier and and I need you to be a good soldier and and I need you to be a good soldier and go to the school now and and he said go to the school now and and he said go to the school now and and he said something to me during that period which something to me during that period which something to me during that period which was that if the nuclear war happened it was that if the nuclear war happened it was that if the nuclear war happened it would be better to be among the dead would be better to be among the dead would be better to be among the dead than the living which I did not believe than the living which I did not believe than the living which I did not believe okay I mean I I had already prepared okay I mean I I had already prepared okay I mean I I had already prepared myself for the you know for the for the myself for the you know for the for the myself for the you know for the for the dystopian future and I knew I could I dystopian future and I knew I could I dystopian future and I knew I could I spent every day in the woods I knew that spent every day in the woods I knew that spent every day in the woods I knew that I could survive by catching crawfish and I could survive by catching crawfish and I could survive by catching crawfish and you know cooking Mud Puppies then we'll you know cooking Mud Puppies then we'll you know cooking Mud Puppies then we'll do whatever I had to do but I felt like do whatever I had to do but I felt like do whatever I had to do but I felt like okay I can I can handle this uh okay I can I can handle this uh okay I can I can handle this uh and I really wanted to see the setup and I really wanted to see the setup and I really wanted to see the setup down in you know this underground city down in you know this underground city down in you know this underground city but anyway that was you know part of it but anyway that was you know part of it but anyway that was you know part of it for for for um me my father was away and you know um me my father was away and you know um me my father was away and you know the last days of it the last days of it the last days of it my father my father my father um got this idea because Khrushchev had um got this idea because Khrushchev had um got this idea because Khrushchev had sent two letters

sent two letters sent two letters he sent one letter that was conciliatory he sent one letter that was conciliatory he sent one letter that was conciliatory and then he sent a letter that after his and then he sent a letter that after his and then he sent a letter that after his Joint Chiefs and the warmongers around Joint Chiefs and the warmongers around Joint Chiefs and the warmongers around him saw that letter and they disapproved him saw that letter and they disapproved him saw that letter and they disapproved of it they sent another letter that was of it they sent another letter that was of it they sent another letter that was extremely belligerent extremely belligerent extremely belligerent and my father had the idea let's just and my father had the idea let's just and my father had the idea let's just pretend we didn't get the second letter pretend we didn't get the second letter pretend we didn't get the second letter and reply to the first one and reply to the first one and reply to the first one and then he went down to dobrennan and then he went down to dobrennan and then he went down to dobrennan and who was he met the Brennan in the and who was he met the Brennan in the and who was he met the Brennan in the justice department and the Brennan was justice department and the Brennan was justice department and the Brennan was the Soviet Ambassador and they you know the Soviet Ambassador and they you know the Soviet Ambassador and they you know they proposed this settlement which was they proposed this settlement which was they proposed this settlement which was a secret settlement a secret settlement a secret settlement Eric Khrushchev would withdraw the Eric Khrushchev would withdraw the Eric Khrushchev would withdraw the missiles from Cuba Khrushchev had put missiles from Cuba Khrushchev had put missiles from Cuba Khrushchev had put them into Cuba because we had put them into Cuba because we had put them into Cuba because we had put missiles you know nuclear missiles in in missiles you know nuclear missiles in in missiles you know nuclear missiles in in turkey and turkey and turkey and Italy and my uncle's secret deal was Italy and my uncle's secret deal was Italy and my uncle's secret deal was that if he if Khrushchev removed the that if he if Khrushchev removed the that if he if Khrushchev removed the missiles from Cuba within six months he missiles from Cuba within six months he missiles from Cuba within six months he would get rid of the Jupiter missiles in would get rid of the Jupiter missiles in would get rid of the Jupiter missiles in Turkey but if Khrushchev told anybody Turkey but if Khrushchev told anybody Turkey but if Khrushchev told anybody about the deal it was off so if if news about the deal it was off so if if news about the deal it was off so if if news got out about that secret deal it was got out about that secret deal it was got out about that secret deal it was off that was the actual deal and off that was the actual deal and off that was the actual deal and Khrushchev complied with it and then my Khrushchev complied with it and then my Khrushchev complied with it and then my uncle complied with it how much of that uncle complied with it how much of that uncle complied with it how much of that part of human history turned on the part of human history turned on the part of human history turned on the decisions of one person decisions of one person decisions of one person I think that's one of the you know I think that's one of the you know I think that's one of the you know because that of course the perennial because that of course the perennial because that of course the perennial question right but it is history kind of question right but it is history kind of question right but it is history kind of on uh on uh on uh an automatic pilot and you know uh human

an automatic pilot and you know uh human an automatic pilot and you know uh human decisions the decisions of leaders decisions the decisions of leaders decisions the decisions of leaders really only have you know a marginal or really only have you know a marginal or really only have you know a marginal or incremental bearing on what is going to incremental bearing on what is going to incremental bearing on what is going to happen anyway but I think that is the happen anyway but I think that is the happen anyway but I think that is the and historians argue about that all the and historians argue about that all the and historians argue about that all the time time time I think that that is a really good I think that that is a really good I think that that is a really good example of a play a a place in human example of a play a a place in human example of a play a a place in human history that uh literally the world history that uh literally the world history that uh literally the world could have ended if could have ended if could have ended if we had a different leader in the White we had a different leader in the White we had a different leader in the White House and the reason for that is that House and the reason for that is that House and the reason for that is that there were as I recall 64 gun there were as I recall 64 gun there were as I recall 64 gun emplacements you know missile missile emplacements you know missile missile emplacements you know missile missile emplacements emplacements emplacements each one of those Muslim placements had each one of those Muslim placements had each one of those Muslim placements had a crew of about 100 men a crew of about 100 men a crew of about 100 men and they were Soviets and they were Soviets and they were Soviets so on they were and they we didn't know so on they were and they we didn't know so on they were and they we didn't know whether we had a couple of questions whether we had a couple of questions whether we had a couple of questions that my uncle asked that my uncle asked that my uncle asked Alan or ask the CIA and he asked Dulles Alan or ask the CIA and he asked Dulles Alan or ask the CIA and he asked Dulles was already gone but he asked the CIA was already gone but he asked the CIA was already gone but he asked the CIA and he asked um his military brass and he asked um his military brass and he asked um his military brass because they all wanted to go in because they all wanted to go in because they all wanted to go in everybody wanted to go ahead and my everybody wanted to go ahead and my everybody wanted to go ahead and my uncle said my uncle asked to see the uncle said my uncle asked to see the uncle said my uncle asked to see the aerial photos and he examined those aerial photos and he examined those aerial photos and he examined those personally and that's why it's important personally and that's why it's important personally and that's why it's important to have a leader in the White House who to have a leader in the White House who to have a leader in the White House who can push back on on their bureaucracies can push back on on their bureaucracies can push back on on their bureaucracies he he he um and then he asked them um and then he asked them um and then he asked them you know are those who's Manning those you know are those who's Manning those you know are those who's Manning those missile sites and are they Russians and missile sites and are they Russians and missile sites and are they Russians and if they're Russians and we bomb them

if they're Russians and we bomb them if they're Russians and we bomb them uh are they isn't it going to force uh are they isn't it going to force uh are they isn't it going to force Khrushchev to then go into Berlin Khrushchev to then go into Berlin Khrushchev to then go into Berlin and that would be the beginning of a and that would be the beginning of a and that would be the beginning of a Cascade effect that would you know Cascade effect that would you know Cascade effect that would you know highly like the nuclear confrontation highly like the nuclear confrontation highly like the nuclear confrontation and the the uh the military perhaps said and the the uh the military perhaps said and the the uh the military perhaps said to my uncle oh we don't think you'll to my uncle oh we don't think you'll to my uncle oh we don't think you'll have uh you know we don't think he'll have uh you know we don't think he'll have uh you know we don't think he'll have the uh the guts to do that so he have the uh the guts to do that so he have the uh the guts to do that so he was my uncle was like that's what you're was my uncle was like that's what you're was my uncle was like that's what you're betting on betting on betting on and uh you know they all wanted him to and uh you know they all wanted him to and uh you know they all wanted him to go in they wanted him to bomb the sides go in they wanted him to bomb the sides go in they wanted him to bomb the sides and then invade Cuba and he said if we and then invade Cuba and he said if we and then invade Cuba and he said if we bomb those sites we're going to be bomb those sites we're going to be bomb those sites we're going to be killing Russians and it's going to force killing Russians and it's going to force killing Russians and it's going to force it's going to provoke Russia into some it's going to provoke Russia into some it's going to provoke Russia into some response and the obvious response is for response and the obvious response is for response and the obvious response is for them to go into Berlin them to go into Berlin them to go into Berlin oh the but the thing that we didn't know oh the but the thing that we didn't know oh the but the thing that we didn't know then that we didn't find out until I then that we didn't find out until I then that we didn't find out until I think uh you know there was a it was think uh you know there was a it was think uh you know there was a it was like a 30-year anniversary of the Cuban like a 30-year anniversary of the Cuban like a 30-year anniversary of the Cuban Missile Crisis in Havana Missile Crisis in Havana Missile Crisis in Havana and what we learned then was that from and what we learned then was that from and what we learned then was that from the Russians who came the Russians who came the Russians who came to that event it was like a symposium to that event it was like a symposium to that event it was like a symposium where everybody on both sides talked where everybody on both sides talked where everybody on both sides talked about it and we learned a lot of stuff about it and we learned a lot of stuff about it and we learned a lot of stuff and and never nobody knew before and and never nobody knew before and and never nobody knew before one of the insane things the most insane one of the insane things the most insane one of the insane things the most insane thing that we learned was that the the thing that we learned was that the the thing that we learned was that the the weapons were already the nuclear weapons were already the nuclear weapons were already the nuclear warheads were already in place they were warheads were already in place they were warheads were already in place they were ready to fire ready to fire ready to fire and that the authorization to fire

and that the authorization to fire and that the authorization to fire was made was delegated to each of the was made was delegated to each of the was made was delegated to each of the gun gun crew commanders so there were 60 gun gun crew commanders so there were 60 gun gun crew commanders so there were 60 people people people who at all had authorization of fire if who at all had authorization of fire if who at all had authorization of fire if they felt themselves under attack they felt themselves under attack they felt themselves under attack so you have to believe that at least one so you have to believe that at least one so you have to believe that at least one of them would have launched and that of them would have launched and that of them would have launched and that would have been the beginning of the end would have been the beginning of the end would have been the beginning of the end and you know if they if anybody had and you know if they if anybody had and you know if they if anybody had launched you know we knew what would launched you know we knew what would launched you know we knew what would happen my uncle knew what would happen happen my uncle knew what would happen happen my uncle knew what would happen because he asked again and again what's because he asked again and again what's because he asked again and again what's going to happen and they said 30 million going to happen and they said 30 million going to happen and they said 30 million Americans will be killed Americans will be killed Americans will be killed but we will kill 130 million Russians so but we will kill 130 million Russians so but we will kill 130 million Russians so we will win and that was a victory for we will win and that was a victory for we will win and that was a victory for them them them and my uncle said later said he told he and my uncle said later said he told he and my uncle said later said he told he told Arthur Schlesinger and Kenny told Arthur Schlesinger and Kenny told Arthur Schlesinger and Kenny O'Donnell he said those guys he called O'Donnell he said those guys he called O'Donnell he said those guys he called them the salad brass the guys with all them the salad brass the guys with all them the salad brass the guys with all of this stuff on their chest of this stuff on their chest of this stuff on their chest and he said he said those guys they and he said he said those guys they and he said he said those guys they don't care don't care don't care because they know that if it happens because they know that if it happens because they know that if it happens that they're going to be in the charge that they're going to be in the charge that they're going to be in the charge of everything they're the ones who are of everything they're the ones who are of everything they're the ones who are going to be running the world after that going to be running the world after that going to be running the world after that so for them you know it was it was an so for them you know it was it was an so for them you know it was it was an incentive to to kill 130 million incentive to to kill 130 million incentive to to kill 130 million Russians and 30 million Americans but my Russians and 30 million Americans but my Russians and 30 million Americans but my uncle he had this correspondence with uncle he had this correspondence with uncle he had this correspondence with the Khrushchev they were secretly the Khrushchev they were secretly the Khrushchev they were secretly corresponding with each other and that corresponding with each other and that corresponding with each other and that is what saved the world is that they had is what saved the world is that they had is what saved the world is that they had that both of them had been Men of War that both of them had been Men of War that both of them had been Men of War Eisenhower famously said it will it will Eisenhower famously said it will it will Eisenhower famously said it will it will not be a man of war not be a man of war not be a man of war it will not be a soldier who starts

it will not be a soldier who starts it will not be a soldier who starts world war three because the guy who's world war three because the guy who's world war three because the guy who's actually seen it knows how bad it is and actually seen it knows how bad it is and actually seen it knows how bad it is and my uncle you know had been In the Heat my uncle you know had been In the Heat my uncle you know had been In the Heat of the South Pacific of the South Pacific of the South Pacific he's already been cut into by a Japanese he's already been cut into by a Japanese he's already been cut into by a Japanese Destroyer Destroyer Destroyer um his many three of his crewmen have um his many three of his crewmen have um his many three of his crewmen have been killed one of them badly burned he been killed one of them badly burned he been killed one of them badly burned he he pulled that guy with a lanyard in his he pulled that guy with a lanyard in his he pulled that guy with a lanyard in his teeth teeth teeth six miles to an island in the middle of six miles to an island in the middle of six miles to an island in the middle of the night and then they hid out there the night and then they hid out there the night and then they hid out there for 10 days you know and for 10 days you know and for 10 days you know and um and you know he came back like I said um and you know he came back like I said um and you know he came back like I said he was the only uh president of the he was the only uh president of the he was the only uh president of the United States that are in the Purple United States that are in the Purple United States that are in the Purple Heart Heart Heart um meanwhile crew Chef had been a um meanwhile crew Chef had been a um meanwhile crew Chef had been a Stalingrad which was the worst place to Stalingrad which was the worst place to Stalingrad which was the worst place to be on the planet you know probably in be on the planet you know probably in be on the planet you know probably in the 20th century other than you know and the 20th century other than you know and the 20th century other than you know and Al Switzerland one of the death camps Al Switzerland one of the death camps Al Switzerland one of the death camps it was uh you know it was it was the it was uh you know it was it was the it was uh you know it was it was the most ferocious horrific war with people most ferocious horrific war with people most ferocious horrific war with people starving people you know committing starving people you know committing starving people you know committing cannibalism uh you know eating the dogs cannibalism uh you know eating the dogs cannibalism uh you know eating the dogs the cats eating their shoe leather the cats eating their shoe leather the cats eating their shoe leather we're easing to death by the thousands we're easing to death by the thousands we're easing to death by the thousands Etc Etc Etc a cruise ship did not the last thing he a cruise ship did not the last thing he a cruise ship did not the last thing he wanted was a war and the last thing my wanted was a war and the last thing my wanted was a war and the last thing my uncle wanted was a reward and they but uncle wanted was a reward and they but uncle wanted was a reward and they but the CIA did not know anything about the CIA did not know anything about the CIA did not know anything about Khrushchev and the reason for that Khrushchev and the reason for that Khrushchev and the reason for that is the city there was a mole at Langley is the city there was a mole at Langley is the city there was a mole at Langley so that every time the CIA got a spy so that every time the CIA got a spy so that every time the CIA got a spy in the Kremlin he would immediately be in the Kremlin he would immediately be in the Kremlin he would immediately be killed killed killed so if they had no eyes in the Kremlin so if they had no eyes in the Kremlin so if they had no eyes in the Kremlin you know there were literally hundreds

you know there were literally hundreds you know there were literally hundreds of Russia of Russian supplies Who had of Russia of Russian supplies Who had of Russia of Russian supplies Who had who were who had affected the United who were who had affected the United who were who had affected the United States and were in the Kremlin who were States and were in the Kremlin who were States and were in the Kremlin who were killed during that period killed during that period killed during that period they had no idea anything about they had no idea anything about they had no idea anything about Khrushchev about how he saw the world Khrushchev about how he saw the world Khrushchev about how he saw the world and they saw the Kremlin itself as a and they saw the Kremlin itself as a and they saw the Kremlin itself as a monolith you know that it is uh monolith you know that it is uh monolith you know that it is uh is kind of you know the same way that we is kind of you know the same way that we is kind of you know the same way that we look at Putin today that you know it's look at Putin today that you know it's look at Putin today that you know it's all they have this ambition of world all they have this ambition of world all they have this ambition of world conquest and that's it's driving them conquest and that's it's driving them conquest and that's it's driving them and there's nothing else they think and there's nothing else they think and there's nothing else they think about they're absolutely single-minded about they're absolutely single-minded about they're absolutely single-minded about it about it about it but actually there was a big division but actually there was a big division but actually there was a big division between Khrushchev and uh and his Joint between Khrushchev and uh and his Joint between Khrushchev and uh and his Joint Chiefs and his intelligence apparatus Chiefs and his intelligence apparatus Chiefs and his intelligence apparatus and they and they both at one point and they and they both at one point and they and they both at one point discovered they were both in the same discovered they were both in the same discovered they were both in the same situation they were situation they were situation they were surrounded by spies and military surrounded by spies and military surrounded by spies and military personnel who were intent on going to personnel who were intent on going to personnel who were intent on going to war and they were the two guys resisting war and they were the two guys resisting war and they were the two guys resisting it so when my uncle my uncle had this it so when my uncle my uncle had this it so when my uncle my uncle had this idea of you know being the peace idea of you know being the peace idea of you know being the peace president president president from the beginning he told Ben Bradley from the beginning he told Ben Bradley from the beginning he told Ben Bradley his one of his best friends who you know his one of his best friends who you know his one of his best friends who you know was around the publisher of the was around the publisher of the was around the publisher of the Washington Post Washington Post Washington Post for the editor-in-chief at that time he for the editor-in-chief at that time he for the editor-in-chief at that time he said um said um said um Ben Bradley asked him what is what do Ben Bradley asked him what is what do Ben Bradley asked him what is what do you want in your gravestone and my uncle you want in your gravestone and my uncle you want in your gravestone and my uncle said he kept the peace said he kept the peace said he kept the peace he said he said he said the principal job of the president the principal job of the president the principal job of the president United States is to keep the country out United States is to keep the country out United States is to keep the country out of War of War of War and um and and um and and um and so when he first became president he he so when he first became president he he so when he first became president he he actually agreed

actually agreed actually agreed to meet Khrushchev in Geneva to his to meet Khrushchev in Geneva to his to meet Khrushchev in Geneva to his Summit and by the way Eisenhower had Summit and by the way Eisenhower had Summit and by the way Eisenhower had wanted to do the same thing Eisenhower wanted to do the same thing Eisenhower wanted to do the same thing Eisenhower wanted peace but his and he was going to wanted peace but his and he was going to wanted peace but his and he was going to meet in Vienna meet in Vienna meet in Vienna but that peace Summit was blown up he but that peace Summit was blown up he but that peace Summit was blown up he was going to try to do was going to try to do was going to try to do um um um you know he was going to try to end the you know he was going to try to end the you know he was going to try to end the Cold War Eisenhower was in the last year Cold War Eisenhower was in the last year Cold War Eisenhower was in the last year of his of his in May of 1960. of his of his in May of 1960. of his of his in May of 1960. but that was torpedoed by the CIA during but that was torpedoed by the CIA during but that was torpedoed by the CIA during the U2 crash you know they sent you to the U2 crash you know they sent you to the U2 crash you know they sent you to over the over the Soviet Union and it over the over the Soviet Union and it over the over the Soviet Union and it got shot down and then they told and got shot down and then they told and got shot down and then they told and then Alan told us then Alan told us then Alan told us Eisenhower to deny that we hit a program Eisenhower to deny that we hit a program Eisenhower to deny that we hit a program they didn't know that the Russians had they didn't know that the Russians had they didn't know that the Russians had captured Gary Francis powers captured Gary Francis powers captured Gary Francis powers and so when and and that blew up the and so when and and that blew up the and so when and and that blew up the piece talks between Eisenhower and piece talks between Eisenhower and piece talks between Eisenhower and Khrushchev and so you know they and Khrushchev and so you know they and Khrushchev and so you know they and the uh there was a lot of tension the uh there was a lot of tension the uh there was a lot of tension my uncle wanted to break that tension he my uncle wanted to break that tension he my uncle wanted to break that tension he agreed to meet with agreed to meet with agreed to meet with um um um with Khrushchev in Vienna early on in with Khrushchev in Vienna early on in with Khrushchev in Vienna early on in his term his term his term he went over there and Khrushchev he went over there and Khrushchev he went over there and Khrushchev snobbed him snobbed him snobbed him khrushchev's lectured him imperiously khrushchev's lectured him imperiously khrushchev's lectured him imperiously about the you know the about the you know the about the you know the the terror of American imperialism and the terror of American imperialism and the terror of American imperialism and and rebuff any you know they did agree and rebuff any you know they did agree and rebuff any you know they did agree not to go into Laos they made an not to go into Laos they made an not to go into Laos they made an agreement that kept the United States agreement that kept the United States agreement that kept the United States became my uncle from sending troops to became my uncle from sending troops to became my uncle from sending troops to Laos Laos Laos but but but um it had been a disaster Vienna so then

um it had been a disaster Vienna so then um it had been a disaster Vienna so then we had a spy that used to come to our we had a spy that used to come to our we had a spy that used to come to our house all the time I cut Georgie house all the time I cut Georgie house all the time I cut Georgie ballshank away he was this Russian ballshank away he was this Russian ballshank away he was this Russian spy my my parents had met at the embassy spy my my parents had met at the embassy spy my my parents had met at the embassy they had gone to a party or a reception they had gone to a party or a reception they had gone to a party or a reception that Russian Embassy and he had that Russian Embassy and he had that Russian Embassy and he had approached them and they knew he was he approached them and they knew he was he approached them and they knew he was he was a GRU agent and KGB he was both was a GRU agent and KGB he was both was a GRU agent and KGB he was both oh he used to come to our house they oh he used to come to our house they oh he used to come to our house they really liked him he was very attractive really liked him he was very attractive really liked him he was very attractive he was always laughing and joking he he was always laughing and joking he he was always laughing and joking he would do rope climbing contests with my would do rope climbing contests with my would do rope climbing contests with my father he would do push-up contests with father he would do push-up contests with father he would do push-up contests with my father he was he could do the Russian my father he was he could do the Russian my father he was he could do the Russian dancing the Cossack dancing dancing the Cossack dancing dancing the Cossack dancing and he would do that for us and teach us and he would do that for us and teach us and he would do that for us and teach us that and he was and we knew he was a spy that and he was and we knew he was a spy that and he was and we knew he was a spy too and this was at the time of you know too and this was at the time of you know too and this was at the time of you know the James Bond films were first coming the James Bond films were first coming the James Bond films were first coming out so it was really exciting for us to out so it was really exciting for us to out so it was really exciting for us to have a actual Russian spy in our house have a actual Russian spy in our house have a actual Russian spy in our house the state department was horrified by it the state department was horrified by it the state department was horrified by it but um but anyway but um but anyway but um but anyway when Khrushchev after Vienna when Khrushchev after Vienna when Khrushchev after Vienna and after and after and after um you know the pigs um you know the pigs um you know the pigs on Khrushchev had second thoughts on Khrushchev had second thoughts on Khrushchev had second thoughts and he sent this long letter to my uncle and he sent this long letter to my uncle and he sent this long letter to my uncle and he didn't want to go through his in and he didn't want to go through his in and he didn't want to go through his in his State Department his State Department his State Department or his Embassy he wanted to Enron them or his Embassy he wanted to Enron them or his Embassy he wanted to Enron them and he was friends with and he was friends with and he was friends with so he gave Georgie the letter and so he gave Georgie the letter and so he gave Georgie the letter and Georgie brought it and handed it to Georgie brought it and handed it to Georgie brought it and handed it to Pierre Salinger folded in the New York Pierre Salinger folded in the New York Pierre Salinger folded in the New York Times Times Times and he gave it to my uncle and it was

and he gave it to my uncle and it was and he gave it to my uncle and it was this beautiful letter which he said this beautiful letter which he said this beautiful letter which he said you know you know you know um he my uncle had talked to him about um he my uncle had talked to him about um he my uncle had talked to him about the children who were played you know we the children who were played you know we the children who were played you know we played 29 grandchildren who were playing played 29 grandchildren who were playing played 29 grandchildren who were playing in his yard and he's saying what is our in his yard and he's saying what is our in his yard and he's saying what is our moral basis for making a decision that moral basis for making a decision that moral basis for making a decision that could kill these children so they'll could kill these children so they'll could kill these children so they'll never write a poem they'll never never write a poem they'll never never write a poem they'll never participate in election they'll never participate in election they'll never participate in election they'll never run for office how can we make it how run for office how can we make it how run for office how can we make it how can we can we morally make a decision can we can we morally make a decision can we can we morally make a decision that is going to eliminate that is going to eliminate that is going to eliminate life of these beautiful kids life of these beautiful kids life of these beautiful kids and um he had said that to to Khrushchev and um he had said that to to Khrushchev and um he had said that to to Khrushchev and Khrushchev wrote in this letter back and Khrushchev wrote in this letter back and Khrushchev wrote in this letter back saying that he was now sitting as this saying that he was now sitting as this saying that he was now sitting as this doctor doctor doctor on the Black Sea and on the Black Sea and on the Black Sea and um that he was thinking about what my um that he was thinking about what my um that he was thinking about what my uncle jacket said to him at Vienna and uncle jacket said to him at Vienna and uncle jacket said to him at Vienna and he regretted very deeply not having he regretted very deeply not having he regretted very deeply not having taken the olive leaf taken the olive leaf taken the olive leaf that jacket offered him and then he said that jacket offered him and then he said that jacket offered him and then he said you know it occurs to me now that we're you know it occurs to me now that we're you know it occurs to me now that we're all on an arc and that there is not all on an arc and that there is not all on an arc and that there is not another one and that the entire fate of another one and that the entire fate of another one and that the entire fate of the planet the planet the planet and all of its creatures and all of the and all of its creatures and all of the and all of its creatures and all of the children are dependent on the decisions children are dependent on the decisions children are dependent on the decisions we make and you and I have a moral we make and you and I have a moral we make and you and I have a moral obligation to go forward with each obligation to go forward with each obligation to go forward with each other's friends other's friends other's friends and immediately after that this was you and immediately after that this was you and immediately after that this was you know he sent that right after the Berlin know he sent that right after the Berlin know he sent that right after the Berlin crisis in 1962 crisis in 1962 crisis in 1962 General Curtis LeMay General Curtis LeMay General Curtis LeMay um tried to um tried to um tried to um had tried to provoke a war um had tried to provoke a war um had tried to provoke a war with a an incident at Checkpoint Charlie

with a an incident at Checkpoint Charlie with a an incident at Checkpoint Charlie which was the the the entrance the which was the the the entrance the which was the the the entrance the entrance exit through the Berlin Wall in entrance exit through the Berlin Wall in entrance exit through the Berlin Wall in Berlin and the Russian tanks has come to Berlin and the Russian tanks has come to Berlin and the Russian tanks has come to the wall the U.S tanks have gone to the the wall the U.S tanks have gone to the the wall the U.S tanks have gone to the wall and there was a standoff wall and there was a standoff wall and there was a standoff and my uncle had had uh sent a message and my uncle had had uh sent a message and my uncle had had uh sent a message to Khrushchev then through dobren and to Khrushchev then through dobren and to Khrushchev then through dobren and saying my back is at the wall I cannot I saying my back is at the wall I cannot I saying my back is at the wall I cannot I have no place to back to please back off have no place to back to please back off have no place to back to please back off and then we will back off and cruise and then we will back off and cruise and then we will back off and cruise shaft took his word shaft took his word shaft took his word hacked his Tanks off first and then my hacked his Tanks off first and then my hacked his Tanks off first and then my uncle ordered lamaid back Ian Lemay had uncle ordered lamaid back Ian Lemay had uncle ordered lamaid back Ian Lemay had mounted bulldozer plows on the on the mounted bulldozer plows on the on the mounted bulldozer plows on the on the front of the tanks to to plow down the front of the tanks to to plow down the front of the tanks to to plow down the Berlin wall and that and the Russian Berlin wall and that and the Russian Berlin wall and that and the Russian sitcom so it was just you know it was sitcom so it was just you know it was sitcom so it was just you know it was the right it was his generals trying to the right it was his generals trying to the right it was his generals trying to provoke a war provoke a war provoke a war and I'm and I'm and I'm but they started talking to each other but they started talking to each other but they started talking to each other and then when he after he wrote that and then when he after he wrote that and then when he after he wrote that letter they agreed that they would letter they agreed that they would letter they agreed that they would install a hotline install a hotline install a hotline so they could talk to each other and so they could talk to each other and so they could talk to each other and they wouldn't have to go through they wouldn't have to go through they wouldn't have to go through intermediaries and so at Jack's house on intermediaries and so at Jack's house on intermediaries and so at Jack's house on the cape the cape the cape there was a red phone that we knew if we there was a red phone that we knew if we there was a red phone that we knew if we picked up cruise ship wouldn't answer picked up cruise ship wouldn't answer picked up cruise ship wouldn't answer and there was another one in the white and there was another one in the white and there was another one in the white house yeah house yeah house yeah and but they knew it was important to and but they knew it was important to and but they knew it was important to talk to each other you know and you just talk to each other you know and you just talk to each other you know and you just wish that we had that kind of leadership wish that we had that kind of leadership wish that we had that kind of leadership today today today I can I you know it just understands our I can I you know it just understands our I can I you know it just understands our job job job look I know you know a lot about AI

look I know you know a lot about AI look I know you know a lot about AI right and you know how dangerous it is right and you know how dangerous it is right and you know how dangerous it is potentially to humanity and what potentially to humanity and what potentially to humanity and what opportunity is at all so opportunity is at all so opportunity is at all so um you know offers um you know offers um you know offers but but but it could kill us all I mean Elon said it could kill us all I mean Elon said it could kill us all I mean Elon said first is going to steal our job and it's first is going to steal our job and it's first is going to steal our job and it's going to kill us right yeah and it's going to kill us right yeah and it's going to kill us right yeah and it's it's probably not hyperbole it's it's probably not hyperbole it's it's probably not hyperbole it's actually you know if it follows the loss actually you know if it follows the loss actually you know if it follows the loss of biological evolution which are just of biological evolution which are just of biological evolution which are just the laws of mathematics that's probably the laws of mathematics that's probably the laws of mathematics that's probably a good end point for it you know a a a good end point for it you know a a a good end point for it you know a a potential endpoint potential endpoint potential endpoint so so so um we we need it's going to happen um we we need it's going to happen um we we need it's going to happen but we need to make sure it's regulated but we need to make sure it's regulated but we need to make sure it's regulated and it's regulated properly for safety and it's regulated properly for safety and it's regulated properly for safety in every country and and that includes in every country and and that includes in every country and and that includes Russia and China and Iran Russia and China and Iran Russia and China and Iran right now we we should be putting all right now we we should be putting all right now we we should be putting all the weapons of war aside and sitting the weapons of war aside and sitting the weapons of war aside and sitting down with those guys and saying how are down with those guys and saying how are down with those guys and saying how are we doing how are we going to do this we doing how are we going to do this we doing how are we going to do this there's much more important things to do there's much more important things to do there's much more important things to do we're gonna this stuff is gonna kill us we're gonna this stuff is gonna kill us we're gonna this stuff is gonna kill us if we don't figure out how to regulate if we don't figure out how to regulate if we don't figure out how to regulate it it it and and Leadership needs to look down and and Leadership needs to look down and and Leadership needs to look down the road at what what is the real risk the road at what what is the real risk the road at what what is the real risk here and the real risk is that you know here and the real risk is that you know here and the real risk is that you know AI will it will you know enslave us for AI will it will you know enslave us for AI will it will you know enslave us for one thing one thing one thing and you know and and then destroy us and and you know and and then destroy us and and you know and and then destroy us and do all this other stuff and how about do all this other stuff and how about do all this other stuff and how about biological weapons biological weapons biological weapons we're now all working on these we're now all working on these we're now all working on these biological weapons and we're doing biological weapons and we're doing biological weapons and we're doing biological weapons from biological weapons from biological weapons from Ebola and um and you know Dengue fever Ebola and um and you know Dengue fever Ebola and um and you know Dengue fever and you know all of these other bad uh

and you know all of these other bad uh and you know all of these other bad uh things and we're making ethnic by things and we're making ethnic by things and we're making ethnic by weapons bio weapons that can only kill weapons bio weapons that can only kill weapons bio weapons that can only kill Russians Russians Russians the Chinese are making that you know are the Chinese are making that you know are the Chinese are making that you know are can kill people who don't who don't have can kill people who don't who don't have can kill people who don't who don't have Chinese genes Chinese genes Chinese genes so all of this isn't out within reach so all of this isn't out within reach so all of this isn't out within reach we're actively doing it we're actively doing it we're actively doing it and we need to stop it and we can easily and we need to stop it and we can easily and we need to stop it and we can easily a biological weapons treaty is the a biological weapons treaty is the a biological weapons treaty is the easiest thing in the world to do easiest thing in the world to do easiest thing in the world to do we can verify it we can enforce it and we can verify it we can enforce it and we can verify it we can enforce it and everybody wants to agree to it it only everybody wants to agree to it it only everybody wants to agree to it it only insane people do not want to want to insane people do not want to want to insane people do not want to want to continue this kind of research there's continue this kind of research there's continue this kind of research there's no reason to do it so there's these no reason to do it so there's these no reason to do it so there's these existential threats to all of humanity existential threats to all of humanity existential threats to all of humanity now out there like Ai and biological now out there like Ai and biological now out there like Ai and biological biological weapons we need to start stop biological weapons we need to start stop biological weapons we need to start stop fighting each other fighting each other fighting each other start competing on economic game fields start competing on economic game fields start competing on economic game fields Playing Fields instead of military Playing Fields instead of military Playing Fields instead of military playing fields playing fields playing fields which will be good for all of humanity which will be good for all of humanity which will be good for all of humanity and that we need to sit down with each and that we need to sit down with each and that we need to sit down with each other other other and negotiate reasonable treaties on how and negotiate reasonable treaties on how and negotiate reasonable treaties on how we regulate Ai and biological weapons we regulate Ai and biological weapons we regulate Ai and biological weapons and nobody's talking about this in this and nobody's talking about this in this and nobody's talking about this in this political race right now nobody's political race right now nobody's political race right now nobody's talking about it in a government talking about it in a government talking about it in a government they get fixated on these little Wars they get fixated on these little Wars they get fixated on these little Wars and you know and uh these comic book and you know and uh these comic book and you know and uh these comic book depictions of good versus evil and you depictions of good versus evil and you depictions of good versus evil and you know and we all go you know know and we all go you know know and we all go you know and and go off to and give them the and and go off to and give them the and and go off to and give them the weapons and enrich weapons and enrich weapons and enrich you know the military you know the military you know the military complex but we're we're on the Road to complex but we're we're on the Road to complex but we're we're on the Road to Perdition if we don't end this and some

Perdition if we don't end this and some Perdition if we don't end this and some of this requires to have this kind of of this requires to have this kind of of this requires to have this kind of phone that connects Khrushchev and John phone that connects Khrushchev and John phone that connects Khrushchev and John F Kennedy that cuts through all the F Kennedy that cuts through all the F Kennedy that cuts through all the bureaucracy to have this communication bureaucracy to have this communication bureaucracy to have this communication between heads of state and in the in the between heads of state and in the in the between heads of state and in the in the case of AI perhaps heads of tech case of AI perhaps heads of tech case of AI perhaps heads of tech companies where you can just pick up the companies where you can just pick up the companies where you can just pick up the phone and have a conversation because a phone and have a conversation because a phone and have a conversation because a lot of it a lot of the existential lot of it a lot of the existential lot of it a lot of the existential threats of artificial intelligence threats of artificial intelligence threats of artificial intelligence perhaps even bio weapons is perhaps even bio weapons is perhaps even bio weapons is unintentional it's not even uh strategic unintentional it's not even uh strategic unintentional it's not even uh strategic it's actual effects so you have to be it's actual effects so you have to be it's actual effects so you have to be transparent and honest about especially transparent and honest about especially transparent and honest about especially with AI that people might not know with AI that people might not know with AI that people might not know what what's the worst that's going to what what's the worst that's going to what what's the worst that's going to happen once you release it out into the happen once you release it out into the happen once you release it out into the wild and you have to have an honest kind wild and you have to have an honest kind wild and you have to have an honest kind of communication about how to do it so of communication about how to do it so of communication about how to do it so that companies are not terrified of that companies are not terrified of that companies are not terrified of Regulation Regulation Regulation uh overreach regulation and then uh overreach regulation and then uh overreach regulation and then government is not terrified of tech government is not terrified of tech government is not terrified of tech companies of uh manipulating them in companies of uh manipulating them in companies of uh manipulating them in some director and direct ways so like some director and direct ways so like some director and direct ways so like there's a trust that builds versus a there's a trust that builds versus a there's a trust that builds versus a distrust distrust distrust that that seems to so basically that old that that seems to so basically that old that that seems to so basically that old phone or khushev can call phone or khushev can call phone or khushev can call John F Kennedy is needed John F Kennedy is needed John F Kennedy is needed yeah and you know I don't think there's yeah and you know I don't think there's yeah and you know I don't think there's listen I don't understand AI okay I do listen I don't understand AI okay I do listen I don't understand AI okay I do know I I can see from all this know I I can see from all this know I I can see from all this technology how technology how technology how it's this kind of turn keto it's this kind of turn keto it's this kind of turn keto totalitarianism that once you put these totalitarianism that once you put these totalitarianism that once you put these systems in place you know they can be systems in place you know they can be systems in place you know they can be misused to enslave people and they can misused to enslave people and they can misused to enslave people and they can be misused in wars and you know to

be misused in wars and you know to be misused in wars and you know to subjugate the kill to do all of these subjugate the kill to do all of these subjugate the kill to do all of these bad things bad things bad things and I don't think there's anybody on and I don't think there's anybody on and I don't think there's anybody on Capitol Hill who understands this you Capitol Hill who understands this you Capitol Hill who understands this you know we need to bring in the tech know we need to bring in the tech know we need to bring in the tech community and say tell us what these community and say tell us what these community and say tell us what these regulations need to look like you know regulations need to look like you know regulations need to look like you know so that there can be freedom to innovate so that there can be freedom to innovate so that there can be freedom to innovate so that we can so that we can so that we can milk AI for all of the good things but milk AI for all of the good things but milk AI for all of the good things but not you know fall into these traps that not you know fall into these traps that not you know fall into these traps that are gonna you know that that are these are gonna you know that that are these are gonna you know that that are these existential threats to that pose existential threats to that pose existential threats to that pose existential threats to humanity existential threats to humanity existential threats to humanity it seems like John F Kennedy is a it seems like John F Kennedy is a it seems like John F Kennedy is a singular figure in that he was able to singular figure in that he was able to singular figure in that he was able to have the humility to reach out to have the humility to reach out to have the humility to reach out to Khrushchev Khrushchev Khrushchev and also the uh the strength and and also the uh the strength and and also the uh the strength and integrity to resist the uh what did you integrity to resist the uh what did you integrity to resist the uh what did you call them the salad salad brass and call them the salad salad brass and call them the salad salad brass and institutions like the CIA uh so that institutions like the CIA uh so that institutions like the CIA uh so that that makes it particularly tragic that that makes it particularly tragic that that makes it particularly tragic that he was killed uh to what degree was CIA he was killed uh to what degree was CIA he was killed uh to what degree was CIA involved or the various bureaucracy involved or the various bureaucracy involved or the various bureaucracy involved in his death involved in his death involved in his death the evidence that the CIA was involved the evidence that the CIA was involved the evidence that the CIA was involved in my in my in my uncle's uh murder and that they can that uncle's uh murder and that they can that uncle's uh murder and that they can that they were subsequently involved in the they were subsequently involved in the they were subsequently involved in the cover-up and um and continue to be cover-up and um and continue to be cover-up and um and continue to be involved in the car I mean there's still involved in the car I mean there's still involved in the car I mean there's still 5 000 documents that they won't release 5 000 documents that they won't release 5 000 documents that they won't release you know 60 years later um is I think so insurmountable and so um is I think so insurmountable and so um you know a mountainous and um you know a mountainous and um you know a mountainous and overwhelming that I it's beyond any overwhelming that I it's beyond any overwhelming that I it's beyond any reasonable doubt

reasonable doubt reasonable doubt including you know dozens of confessions including you know dozens of confessions including you know dozens of confessions of people who were involved in the of people who were involved in the of people who were involved in the in the uh in the assassination but you in the uh in the assassination but you in the uh in the assassination but you know all of every kind of document and know all of every kind of document and know all of every kind of document and um and you know I mean it it came as a um and you know I mean it it came as a um and you know I mean it it came as a surprise recently to most Americans I surprise recently to most Americans I surprise recently to most Americans I think think think um the release of these documents in um the release of these documents in um the release of these documents in which the the Press which the the Press which the the Press the American Media finally acknowledged the American Media finally acknowledged the American Media finally acknowledged that yeah Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA that yeah Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA that yeah Lee Harvey Oswald was a CIA asset and he was recruited you know in asset and he was recruited you know in asset and he was recruited you know in nineteen nineteen nineteen 57 uh he was a marine uh working at the 57 uh he was a marine uh working at the 57 uh he was a marine uh working at the attitude Air Force Base and which was attitude Air Force Base and which was attitude Air Force Base and which was the CIA Air Force Base in you know where the CIA Air Force Base in you know where the CIA Air Force Base in you know where the U2 flights which was a CIA program the U2 flights which was a CIA program the U2 flights which was a CIA program and that and that and that I he was recruited by James Jesus I he was recruited by James Jesus I he was recruited by James Jesus Angleton who was the director of Angleton who was the director of Angleton who was the director of counterintelligence counterintelligence counterintelligence and then sent on a fake defection to and then sent on a fake defection to and then sent on a fake defection to Russia and then brought back you know Russia and then brought back you know Russia and then brought back you know um to to Dallas and people didn't know um to to Dallas and people didn't know um to to Dallas and people didn't know that that that even though it's been known for decades even though it's been known for decades even though it's been known for decades it never percolated into the mainstream it never percolated into the mainstream it never percolated into the mainstream media because they have such a media because they have such a media because they have such a um you know they're they have such a an um you know they're they have such a an um you know they're they have such a an allergy to anything that that uh that allergy to anything that that uh that allergy to anything that that uh that challenges the Warren report challenges the Warren report challenges the Warren report you know when Congress investigated my you know when Congress investigated my you know when Congress investigated my uncle's murder uncle's murder uncle's murder in the um in the uh in the 1970s

in the um in the uh in the 1970s in the um in the uh in the 1970s the church committee did and they did the church committee did and they did the church committee did and they did you know two and a half year you know two and a half year you know two and a half year investigation and they had many many investigation and they had many many investigation and they had many many more documents and much more testimony more documents and much more testimony more documents and much more testimony available to them uh than the Warren available to them uh than the Warren available to them uh than the Warren Commission had and this was this was a Commission had and this was this was a Commission had and this was this was a decade after the Warren Commission they decade after the Warren Commission they decade after the Warren Commission they came to the conclusion that my uncle was came to the conclusion that my uncle was came to the conclusion that my uncle was killed by a conspiracy killed by a conspiracy killed by a conspiracy and there was a division where and there was a division where and there was a division where essentially one guy on that committee essentially one guy on that committee essentially one guy on that committee believed it was primarily the mafia believed it was primarily the mafia believed it was primarily the mafia but Richard Schweitzer was the senator but Richard Schweitzer was the senator but Richard Schweitzer was the senator head of the committee head of the committee head of the committee um um um said you know straight out the CIA was said you know straight out the CIA was said you know straight out the CIA was involved in the murder of the president involved in the murder of the president involved in the murder of the president United States United States United States oh and and if I've talked to most of the oh and and if I've talked to most of the oh and and if I've talked to most of the staff on that committee and they said staff on that committee and they said staff on that committee and they said yeah I'm and the CIA was stonewalling us yeah I'm and the CIA was stonewalling us yeah I'm and the CIA was stonewalling us the whole way through the whole way through the whole way through and the actual people that the CIA and the actual people that the CIA and the actual people that the CIA appointed George johannity's uh who appointed George johannity's uh who appointed George johannity's uh who would who this CIA appointed as a would who this CIA appointed as a would who this CIA appointed as a liaison to the committee they brought liaison to the committee they brought liaison to the committee they brought him out of retirement he had been one of him out of retirement he had been one of him out of retirement he had been one of the masterminds of the assassination the masterminds of the assassination the masterminds of the assassination oh uh there's no oh uh there's no oh uh there's no I mean it's impossible to even talk I mean it's impossible to even talk I mean it's impossible to even talk about a tiny of the fraction of the about a tiny of the fraction of the about a tiny of the fraction of the evidence here and what I I suggest to evidence here and what I I suggest to evidence here and what I I suggest to people there are hundreds of books people there are hundreds of books people there are hundreds of books written about this written about this written about this that you know assemble this evidence and that you know assemble this evidence and that you know assemble this evidence and mobilize the evidence the best book to mobilize the evidence the best book to mobilize the evidence the best book to me for people to read um is James me for people to read um is James me for people to read um is James Douglas's book which is called the Douglas's book which is called the Douglas's book which is called the Unspeakable Unspeakable Unspeakable and he Douglas does this extraordinary and he Douglas does this extraordinary and he Douglas does this extraordinary as an extraordinary scholar and he does

as an extraordinary scholar and he does as an extraordinary scholar and he does this this this it's an amazing job of digesting and it's an amazing job of digesting and it's an amazing job of digesting and summarizing and mobilizing all of them summarizing and mobilizing all of them summarizing and mobilizing all of them you know the probably a million you know the probably a million you know the probably a million documents and you know the evidence from documents and you know the evidence from documents and you know the evidence from all these confessions that have come out all these confessions that have come out all these confessions that have come out into a coherent story into a coherent story into a coherent story and it's riveting to read and you know I and it's riveting to read and you know I and it's riveting to read and you know I recommend people who recommend people who recommend people who do not take my word for it you know do not take my word for it you know do not take my word for it you know um and don't take uh don't take anybody um and don't take uh don't take anybody um and don't take uh don't take anybody else in word for go ahead and do the else in word for go ahead and do the else in word for go ahead and do the research yourself and one way to do that research yourself and one way to do that research yourself and one way to do that is probably the most efficient way is to is probably the most efficient way is to is probably the most efficient way is to read Douglas's book because he has all read Douglas's book because he has all read Douglas's book because he has all the references there so if it's true the references there so if it's true the references there so if it's true that CIA had a hand in this that CIA had a hand in this that CIA had a hand in this assassination how is it possible for assassination how is it possible for assassination how is it possible for them to amass so much power how is it them to amass so much power how is it them to amass so much power how is it possible for them to become corrupt and possible for them to become corrupt and possible for them to become corrupt and is it individuals or is it the entire is it individuals or is it the entire is it individuals or is it the entire institution no it's not the entire institution no it's not the entire institution no it's not the entire institution my daughter-in-law institution my daughter-in-law institution my daughter-in-law who's helping to run my campaign was a who's helping to run my campaign was a who's helping to run my campaign was a CIA uh you know in the clandestine CIA uh you know in the clandestine CIA uh you know in the clandestine services for all her career she was a spy and for all her career she was a spy and weapons of mass destruction program in weapons of mass destruction program in weapons of mass destruction program in the Middle East and in China the Middle East and in China the Middle East and in China and there's 22 000 people who work for and there's 22 000 people who work for and there's 22 000 people who work for the CIA probably 20 000 of those are you the CIA probably 20 000 of those are you the CIA probably 20 000 of those are you know our patriotic Americans and really know our patriotic Americans and really know our patriotic Americans and really good public servants and they're doing good public servants and they're doing good public servants and they're doing important work for our country important work for our country important work for our country but the institution is corrupt and and but the institution is corrupt and and but the institution is corrupt and and because the higher ranks the institution because the higher ranks the institution because the higher ranks the institution and in fact Mike Pompeo said something

and in fact Mike Pompeo said something and in fact Mike Pompeo said something like this to me the other day he was the like this to me the other day he was the like this to me the other day he was the director of the CIA said when I was director of the CIA said when I was director of the CIA said when I was there I did not do a good job of there I did not do a good job of there I did not do a good job of cleaning up that agency and he said the cleaning up that agency and he said the cleaning up that agency and he said the entire upper bureaucracy entire upper bureaucracy entire upper bureaucracy of that agency are people who do not of that agency are people who do not of that agency are people who do not believe in the institutions of of believe in the institutions of of believe in the institutions of of democracy democracy democracy this is what he said to me so I don't this is what he said to me so I don't this is what he said to me so I don't know if that's true but I know that you know if that's true but I know that you know if that's true but I know that you know that's significant he's a smart know that's significant he's a smart know that's significant he's a smart person and he ran the agency and he was person and he ran the agency and he was person and he ran the agency and he was the Secretary of State the Secretary of State the Secretary of State um but it's no mystery how that happened um but it's no mystery how that happened um but it's no mystery how that happened we know the history the CIA was we know the history the CIA was we know the history the CIA was originally first of all there was great originally first of all there was great originally first of all there was great reluctance in 1947 that we had it for reluctance in 1947 that we had it for reluctance in 1947 that we had it for the first time we had a secret the first time we had a secret the first time we had a secret spy agency in this country during World spy agency in this country during World spy agency in this country during World War II called the OSS War II called the OSS War II called the OSS that was disbanded after the war because that was disbanded after the war because that was disbanded after the war because Congress said Congress said Congress said having a secret Supply agency is having a secret Supply agency is having a secret Supply agency is incompatible incompatible incompatible with a democracy Secrets by agencies are with a democracy Secrets by agencies are with a democracy Secrets by agencies are things that like the KGB the stars in things that like the KGB the stars in things that like the KGB the stars in East Germany Slovak and Iran and uh Peep East Germany Slovak and Iran and uh Peep East Germany Slovak and Iran and uh Peep and Chile whatever you know all over the and Chile whatever you know all over the and Chile whatever you know all over the world they're all have to do with world they're all have to do with world they're all have to do with totalitarian governments totalitarian governments totalitarian governments they're not something that you can have they're not something that you can have they're not something that you can have that um it's it's antithetical democracy that um it's it's antithetical democracy that um it's it's antithetical democracy to have that but to have that but to have that but um in 1947 we created Truman signed it um in 1947 we created Truman signed it um in 1947 we created Truman signed it in but it was initially in but it was initially in but it was initially and it has to be an agency and it has to be an agency and it has to be an agency which means information gathering which

which means information gathering which which means information gathering which is important it's to get to to gather is important it's to get to to gather is important it's to get to to gather and consolidate information and consolidate information and consolidate information many many different sources from all many many different sources from all many many different sources from all over the world and then put those in over the world and then put those in over the world and then put those in reports reports reports of the White House or the president of the White House or the president of the White House or the president um can make good decisions based upon um can make good decisions based upon um can make good decisions based upon the valid information the valid information the valid information evidence-based you know decision making evidence-based you know decision making evidence-based you know decision making but Alan Dulles who was the you know but Alan Dulles who was the you know but Alan Dulles who was the you know essentially the first head of the agency essentially the first head of the agency essentially the first head of the agency made a series of made a series of made a series of legislative machinations and political legislative machinations and political legislative machinations and political imaginations they gave imaginations they gave imaginations they gave additional powers to the agency and additional powers to the agency and additional powers to the agency and opened up the uh what they called and opened up the uh what they called and opened up the uh what they called and the plans division which is the plans the plans division which is the plans the plans division which is the plans division is the dirty tricks it's the division is the dirty tricks it's the division is the dirty tricks it's the Black Ops Black Ops Black Ops fixing elections fixing elections fixing elections um um um murdering what they call Executive murdering what they call Executive murdering what they call Executive action which means killing action which means killing action which means killing foreign leaders foreign leaders foreign leaders um and you know making small Wars and uh um and you know making small Wars and uh um and you know making small Wars and uh and bribing and blackmailing and bribing and blackmailing and bribing and blackmailing people stealing elections that kind of people stealing elections that kind of people stealing elections that kind of thing and the reason at that time you thing and the reason at that time you thing and the reason at that time you know we were in the middle of the Cold know we were in the middle of the Cold know we were in the middle of the Cold War War War and Truman and then Eisenhower did not and Truman and then Eisenhower did not and Truman and then Eisenhower did not want to go to war they didn't want to want to go to war they didn't want to want to go to war they didn't want to commit troops commit troops commit troops and it seemed to them that you know this and it seemed to them that you know this and it seemed to them that you know this was a way of kind of fighting the Cold was a way of kind of fighting the Cold was a way of kind of fighting the Cold War secretly without and doing it at War secretly without and doing it at War secretly without and doing it at minimal cost I um minimal cost I um minimal cost I um uh by uh changing events sort of uh by uh changing events sort of uh by uh changing events sort of invisibly

invisibly invisibly and so it was seductive to them but and so it was seductive to them but and so it was seductive to them but everybody you know Congress when they everybody you know Congress when they everybody you know Congress when they first voted in place Congress both first voted in place Congress both first voted in place Congress both political parties said political parties said political parties said if we create this thing it could turn if we create this thing it could turn if we create this thing it could turn into a monster and it could undermine into a monster and it could undermine into a monster and it could undermine our you know our values and today it's our you know our values and today it's our you know our values and today it's so it's so powerful and that nobody so it's so powerful and that nobody so it's so powerful and that nobody knows what its budget is knows what its budget is knows what its budget is plus it has its own investment fund plus it has its own investment fund plus it has its own investment fund which has invested you know made I think which has invested you know made I think which has invested you know made I think 2 000 investments in Silicon Valley 2 000 investments in Silicon Valley 2 000 investments in Silicon Valley so it has ownership of a lot of these so it has ownership of a lot of these so it has ownership of a lot of these tech companies that you know and the a tech companies that you know and the a tech companies that you know and the a lot of the CEOs those tech companies if lot of the CEOs those tech companies if lot of the CEOs those tech companies if not in state secrecy agreements with the not in state secrecy agreements with the not in state secrecy agreements with the CIA which if they even reveal that they CIA which if they even reveal that they CIA which if they even reveal that they have signed that they can go to jail for have signed that they can go to jail for have signed that they can go to jail for 20 years and have their assets removed 20 years and have their assets removed 20 years and have their assets removed Etc Etc Etc the influences the agency has the the influences the agency has the the influences the agency has the capacity to influence events at every capacity to influence events at every capacity to influence events at every level in our country level in our country level in our country are is really uh frightening and then are is really uh frightening and then are is really uh frightening and then for most of it's for most of it's for most of it's um for most of its life the CIA was um for most of its life the CIA was um for most of its life the CIA was banned from propagandizing Americans banned from propagandizing Americans banned from propagandizing Americans but we learned that they were doing it but we learned that they were doing it but we learned that they were doing it anyway so in 1973 during the church anyway so in 1973 during the church anyway so in 1973 during the church committee hearings we learned committee hearings we learned committee hearings we learned that the CIA had a program called that the CIA had a program called that the CIA had a program called operation Mockingbird operation Mockingbird operation Mockingbird where they had at least 400 members where they had at least 400 members where they had at least 400 members leading members of the United States leading members of the United States leading members of the United States press Corps press Corps press Corps and the New York Times The Washington and the New York Times The Washington and the New York Times The Washington Post ABC CBS NBC Etc Post ABC CBS NBC Etc Post ABC CBS NBC Etc who were secretly working for the agency

who were secretly working for the agency who were secretly working for the agency and um and steering news coverage uh to and um and steering news coverage uh to and um and steering news coverage uh to support CIA priorities support CIA priorities support CIA priorities and they agreed at that time to disband and they agreed at that time to disband and they agreed at that time to disband operation Mockingbird in 73. but there's operation Mockingbird in 73. but there's operation Mockingbird in 73. but there's there's indications they didn't do that there's indications they didn't do that there's indications they didn't do that and they still the CIA today is the and they still the CIA today is the and they still the CIA today is the biggest funder of Journalism around the biggest funder of Journalism around the biggest funder of Journalism around the world world world the biggest funder is through usaid the biggest funder is through usaid the biggest funder is through usaid I'm the USA the United States funds I'm the USA the United States funds I'm the USA the United States funds journalism in almost every country in journalism in almost every country in journalism in almost every country in the world you know it owns newspapers it the world you know it owns newspapers it the world you know it owns newspapers it has journalists on thousands and has journalists on thousands and has journalists on thousands and thousands of journalists on its payroll thousands of journalists on its payroll thousands of journalists on its payroll they're not supposed to be doing that in they're not supposed to be doing that in they're not supposed to be doing that in the United States but um you know in the United States but um you know in the United States but um you know in 2016 2016 2016 President Obama changed the law to make President Obama changed the law to make President Obama changed the law to make it legal now for the CIA to propagandize it legal now for the CIA to propagandize it legal now for the CIA to propagandize Americans and I think you know we can't Americans and I think you know we can't Americans and I think you know we can't look at the Ukraine war and how that was look at the Ukraine war and how that was look at the Ukraine war and how that was you know has been how the narrative has you know has been how the narrative has you know has been how the narrative has been formed in the in the minds of been formed in the in the minds of been formed in the in the minds of Americans Americans Americans and say that the CIA had nothing to do and say that the CIA had nothing to do and say that the CIA had nothing to do with that what is the mechanism I wish with that what is the mechanism I wish with that what is the mechanism I wish to say influences The Narrative do you to say influences The Narrative do you to say influences The Narrative do you think it's indirectly through the Press think it's indirectly through the Press think it's indirectly through the Press indirectly through the press or directly indirectly through the press or directly indirectly through the press or directly by funding the Press directly through by funding the Press directly through by funding the Press directly through I mean there's certain press organs that I mean there's certain press organs that I mean there's certain press organs that have been linked you know to the agency have been linked you know to the agency have been linked you know to the agency that the people who run those organs uh that the people who run those organs uh that the people who run those organs uh things like The Daily Beast now rolling things like The Daily Beast now rolling things like The Daily Beast now rolling stone you know editor of note Rolling

stone you know editor of note Rolling stone you know editor of note Rolling Stone Noah schlachmann Stone Noah schlachmann Stone Noah schlachmann has deep relationships with the has deep relationships with the has deep relationships with the intelligence Community uh salon intelligence Community uh salon intelligence Community uh salon daily coasts daily coasts daily coasts um but I wonder why they would do it so um but I wonder why they would do it so um but I wonder why they would do it so from my perspective it just seems like from my perspective it just seems like from my perspective it just seems like the job of a journalist is to have an the job of a journalist is to have an the job of a journalist is to have an Integrity where your opinion cannot be Integrity where your opinion cannot be Integrity where your opinion cannot be influenced or bought I agree with you influenced or bought I agree with you influenced or bought I agree with you but I actually think that the entire but I actually think that the entire but I actually think that the entire field of Journalism has uh field of Journalism has uh field of Journalism has uh has uh you know really ashamed itself in has uh you know really ashamed itself in has uh you know really ashamed itself in recent years because it's become you recent years because it's become you recent years because it's become you know the the principal newspapers in know the the principal newspapers in know the the principal newspapers in this country and the television station this country and the television station this country and the television station the Legacy Media the Legacy Media the Legacy Media have abandoned their have abandoned their have abandoned their um um um they're traditional their tradition of they're traditional their tradition of they're traditional their tradition of of you know which was when I was a kid of you know which was when I was a kid of you know which was when I was a kid listen my house was filled with the listen my house was filled with the listen my house was filled with the greatest journalists alive at that time greatest journalists alive at that time greatest journalists alive at that time people like Ben Bradley like Anthony people like Ben Bradley like Anthony people like Ben Bradley like Anthony Lewis Mary mcgrory Lewis Mary mcgrory Lewis Mary mcgrory Pete Hamill Jerry Jack Newfield uh Jimmy Pete Hamill Jerry Jack Newfield uh Jimmy Pete Hamill Jerry Jack Newfield uh Jimmy Breslin Breslin Breslin uh uh and many many others and after my uh uh and many many others and after my uh uh and many many others and after my father after my father died they started father after my father died they started father after my father died they started the RFK journalism Awards the RFK journalism Awards the RFK journalism Awards to recognize integrity and courage you to recognize integrity and courage you to recognize integrity and courage you know journalistic interior courage and know journalistic interior courage and know journalistic interior courage and for that generation of Journalism for that generation of Journalism for that generation of Journalism they they thought they believed that they they thought they believed that they they thought they believed that that the function of journalists was to that the function of journalists was to that the function of journalists was to maintain this posture of fierce maintain this posture of fierce maintain this posture of fierce skepticism toward any aggregation of skepticism toward any aggregation of skepticism toward any aggregation of power and including government Authority

power and including government Authority power and including government Authority that you always the people in Authority that you always the people in Authority that you always the people in Authority lie and that way they always have to be lie and that way they always have to be lie and that way they always have to be questioned and uh and that their job was questioned and uh and that their job was questioned and uh and that their job was to speak truth power and to be Guardians to speak truth power and to be Guardians to speak truth power and to be Guardians of the First Amendment right to to uh of the First Amendment right to to uh of the First Amendment right to to uh free expression free expression free expression but if you look what happened during the but if you look what happened during the but if you look what happened during the pandemic pandemic pandemic was the inverse of that kind of was the inverse of that kind of was the inverse of that kind of Journalism where Journalism where Journalism where the uh the major press organs in this the uh the major press organs in this the uh the major press organs in this country country country um were instead of speaking truth to um were instead of speaking truth to um were instead of speaking truth to power they were doing the opposite they power they were doing the opposite they power they were doing the opposite they were Broadcasting were Broadcasting were Broadcasting propaganda they became propaganda organs propaganda they became propaganda organs propaganda they became propaganda organs for the government agencies and they for the government agencies and they for the government agencies and they were actually censoring um the speech of were actually censoring um the speech of were actually censoring um the speech of anybody who descends of the powerless anybody who descends of the powerless anybody who descends of the powerless oh and in fact it was it was an oh and in fact it was it was an oh and in fact it was it was an organized conspiracy you know and it was organized conspiracy you know and it was organized conspiracy you know and it was the name of it was The Trusted news the name of it was The Trusted news the name of it was The Trusted news initiative and you know some of the initiative and you know some of the initiative and you know some of the major press organs in our country signed major press organs in our country signed major press organs in our country signed on to it and they agreed on to it and they agreed on to it and they agreed not to print stories or facts that um not to print stories or facts that um not to print stories or facts that um that departed from government Orthodoxy that departed from government Orthodoxy that departed from government Orthodoxy so the Washington Post was the signature so the Washington Post was the signature so the Washington Post was the signature of the UPI of the UPI of the UPI the AP and then the um the four Media or the AP and then the um the four Media or the AP and then the um the four Media or the four social media on groups the four social media on groups the four social media on groups Microsoft Twitter Microsoft Twitter Microsoft Twitter uh Facebook and Google all signed on to uh Facebook and Google all signed on to uh Facebook and Google all signed on to the trusted news initiative it was the trusted news initiative it was the trusted news initiative it was started by the BBC organized by them started by the BBC organized by them started by the BBC organized by them and the purpose of it and the purpose of it and the purpose of it was to make sure nobody could print was to make sure nobody could print was to make sure nobody could print anything about government that departed anything about government that departed anything about government that departed from government Orthodox is the way it from government Orthodox is the way it from government Orthodox is the way it worked is the UPI and the AP and the

worked is the UPI and the AP and the worked is the UPI and the AP and the which are the news services that provide which are the news services that provide which are the news services that provide most of the new you know news around the most of the new you know news around the most of the new you know news around the country country country and the Washington Post would decide and the Washington Post would decide and the Washington Post would decide what news was permissible to print what news was permissible to print what news was permissible to print and a lot of it was about covet but also and a lot of it was about covet but also and a lot of it was about covet but also Hunter finds laptops where you it was Hunter finds laptops where you it was Hunter finds laptops where you it was the impermissible to suggest that those the impermissible to suggest that those the impermissible to suggest that those were real or that you know they had were real or that you know they had were real or that you know they had stuff on there that was compromising stuff on there that was compromising stuff on there that was compromising and um and um and um and we you know and by the way and we you know and by the way and we you know and by the way I this what I'm telling you is all well I this what I'm telling you is all well I this what I'm telling you is all well documented and I'm litigating on it documented and I'm litigating on it documented and I'm litigating on it right now so I'm part of a lawsuit right now so I'm part of a lawsuit right now so I'm part of a lawsuit against the dni against the dni against the dni and so I know a lot about what happened and so I know a lot about what happened and so I know a lot about what happened and I have all this documented and and I have all this documented and and I have all this documented and people can go to our website there's a people can go to our website there's a people can go to our website there's a letter letter letter on my substack now to um to Michael's on my substack now to um to Michael's on my substack now to um to Michael's share of the Washington Post that share of the Washington Post that share of the Washington Post that outlines all this and gives all my outlines all this and gives all my outlines all this and gives all my sources sources sources um because Michael Sheriff accused me of um because Michael Sheriff accused me of um because Michael Sheriff accused me of being a conspiracy theorist when he was being a conspiracy theorist when he was being a conspiracy theorist when he was actually part of a conspiracy a true actually part of a conspiracy a true actually part of a conspiracy a true conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy to suppress anybody to suppress anybody to suppress anybody who is departing from government who is departing from government who is departing from government orthodoxies by either censoring them orthodoxies by either censoring them orthodoxies by either censoring them completely or labeling them conspiracy completely or labeling them conspiracy completely or labeling them conspiracy theorists theorists theorists I I mean you can understand the I I mean you can understand the I I mean you can understand the intention intention intention and the action the difference between as and the action the difference between as and the action the difference between as we talked about you can understand the we talked about you can understand the we talked about you can understand the intention of such a thing being good at intention of such a thing being good at intention of such a thing being good at a time of a catastrophe the time of a a time of a catastrophe the time of a a time of a catastrophe the time of a pandemic uh there's a lot of risk to pandemic uh there's a lot of risk to pandemic uh there's a lot of risk to saying saying saying untrue things but that's a slippery

untrue things but that's a slippery untrue things but that's a slippery slope that leads into yeah a place where slope that leads into yeah a place where slope that leads into yeah a place where the journalistic Integrity that we the journalistic Integrity that we the journalistic Integrity that we talked about is completely sacrificed talked about is completely sacrificed talked about is completely sacrificed and then you can deviate from truth if and then you can deviate from truth if and then you can deviate from truth if you read their internal memorandum you read their internal memorandum you read their internal memorandum including the statements of the the including the statements of the the including the statements of the the leader of the trusted news initiative I leader of the trusted news initiative I leader of the trusted news initiative I think her name's Jessica uh Jennifer is think her name's Jessica uh Jennifer is think her name's Jessica uh Jennifer is a Cecil a Cecil a Cecil um and I you know you can go on our um and I you know you can go on our um and I you know you can go on our website and see her say amen and she website and see her say amen and she website and see her say amen and she said she says said she says said she says the purpose of this is that we're now the purpose of this is that we're now the purpose of this is that we're now she says when people look at us they she says when people look at us they she says when people look at us they think we're competitors but we're not think we're competitors but we're not think we're competitors but we're not the real competitors are coming from all the real competitors are coming from all the real competitors are coming from all these alternative news sources now all these alternative news sources now all these alternative news sources now all over the network uh and they're over the network uh and they're over the network uh and they're hurting public trust in us and they're hurting public trust in us and they're hurting public trust in us and they're hurting our economic model and we have hurting our economic model and we have hurting our economic model and we have to they have to be choked off and to they have to be choked off and to they have to be choked off and crushed and uh and the way that we're crushed and uh and the way that we're crushed and uh and the way that we're going to do that is to going to do that is to going to do that is to make an agreement with the social media make an agreement with the social media make an agreement with the social media sites that if we say if we label their sites that if we say if we label their sites that if we say if we label their information misinformation the social information misinformation the social information misinformation the social media sites will um will de-platform it media sites will um will de-platform it media sites will um will de-platform it or they will throttle it or they will uh or they will throttle it or they will uh or they will throttle it or they will uh Shadow ban it Shadow ban it Shadow ban it which destroys the economic model of which destroys the economic model of which destroys the economic model of those alternative competitive sources of those alternative competitive sources of those alternative competitive sources of information so that that's true but and information so that that's true but and information so that that's true but and but the point you make is an important but the point you make is an important but the point you make is an important point point point um that the journalists themselves um that the journalists themselves um that the journalists themselves who probably didn't know about the TNI who probably didn't know about the TNI who probably didn't know about the TNI agreement certainly I'm sure they didn't agreement certainly I'm sure they didn't agreement certainly I'm sure they didn't um they believe that they're doing the um they believe that they're doing the um they believe that they're doing the right thing by suppressing information right thing by suppressing information right thing by suppressing information that May challenge you know government

that May challenge you know government that May challenge you know government proclamations on covet proclamations on covet proclamations on covet but I mean there's a danger to that and but I mean there's a danger to that and but I mean there's a danger to that and the danger is that the danger is that the danger is that you know once you appoint yourself an you know once you appoint yourself an you know once you appoint yourself an Arbiter of what's true and what's not Arbiter of what's true and what's not Arbiter of what's true and what's not true true true uh then there's really no end to the uh then there's really no end to the uh then there's really no end to the power that you have now assumed for power that you have now assumed for power that you have now assumed for yourself because yourself because yourself because and now your your job is no longer to and now your your job is no longer to and now your your job is no longer to inform the public your job now is to inform the public your job now is to inform the public your job now is to manipulate the public manipulate the public manipulate the public and if you end up manipulating the and if you end up manipulating the and if you end up manipulating the public in collusion with powerful public in collusion with powerful public in collusion with powerful entities then you become the instrument entities then you become the instrument entities then you become the instrument of authoritarian rule rather than the of authoritarian rule rather than the of authoritarian rule rather than the you know the the opponent of it and it you know the the opponent of it and it you know the the opponent of it and it becomes the inverse of Journalism and a becomes the inverse of Journalism and a becomes the inverse of Journalism and a democracy democracy democracy you're running for president as a you're running for president as a you're running for president as a Democrat uh what do you are the Democrat uh what do you are the Democrat uh what do you are the strongest values that represent the strongest values that represent the strongest values that represent the left-wing politics uh of this country left-wing politics uh of this country left-wing politics uh of this country I would say protection of the I would say protection of the I would say protection of the environment and the commons you know the environment and the commons you know the environment and the commons you know the air the water Wildlife Fisheries public air the water Wildlife Fisheries public air the water Wildlife Fisheries public lands the you know those assets that lands the you know those assets that lands the you know those assets that cannot be reduced to private property cannot be reduced to private property cannot be reduced to private property ownership the the Landscapes are purple ownership the the Landscapes are purple ownership the the Landscapes are purple mountain Majesty mountain Majesty mountain Majesty the protection of the most vulnerable the protection of the most vulnerable the protection of the most vulnerable people in our society people people in our society people people in our society people um which would include children which would include children and minorities uh the restoration of the

and minorities uh the restoration of the and minorities uh the restoration of the middle class you know the and uh and middle class you know the and uh and middle class you know the and uh and uh protection of Labor uh protection of Labor uh protection of Labor dignity uh and you know decent pay for dignity uh and you know decent pay for dignity uh and you know decent pay for labor labor labor um um um bodily autonomy a woman's right to bodily autonomy a woman's right to bodily autonomy a woman's right to choose or an individual's right to choose or an individual's right to choose or an individual's right to endure endure endure unwanted medical procedures unwanted medical procedures unwanted medical procedures um Peace um Peace um Peace you know the Democrats have always been you know the Democrats have always been you know the Democrats have always been any War any War any War and that refusal to use fear is a and that refusal to use fear is a and that refusal to use fear is a governing tool governing tool governing tool of FDR said of FDR said of FDR said the only thing we have to fear is fear the only thing we have to fear is fear the only thing we have to fear is fear itself because he recognized that uh itself because he recognized that uh itself because he recognized that uh tyrants and dictators can use fear to tyrants and dictators can use fear to tyrants and dictators can use fear to disable critical thinking and disable critical thinking and disable critical thinking and um and um and um and uh and overwhelm the desire for personal uh and overwhelm the desire for personal uh and overwhelm the desire for personal Liberty Liberty Liberty um the uh the the freedom of government um the uh the the freedom of government um the uh the the freedom of government from untoward influenced by corrupt from untoward influenced by corrupt from untoward influenced by corrupt corporate power corporate power corporate power the the end of this the the end of this the the end of this corrupt merger of the state and corrupt merger of the state and corrupt merger of the state and corporate power that is now I think corporate power that is now I think corporate power that is now I think dominating our democracy split dominating our democracy split dominating our democracy split Eisenhower warned about Eisenhower warned about Eisenhower warned about anyone against the emergence of the anyone against the emergence of the anyone against the emergence of the military-industrial complex military-industrial complex military-industrial complex and then I prefer to talk about the kind and then I prefer to talk about the kind and then I prefer to talk about the kind of the positive vision of of the positive vision of of the positive vision of what we should be doing in our country what we should be doing in our country what we should be doing in our country and globally which is and globally which is and globally which is you know I I see that the corporations

you know I I see that the corporations you know I I see that the corporations are commoditizing us are poisoning our are commoditizing us are poisoning our are commoditizing us are poisoning our children or children or children or um um um strip mining the wealth from our middle strip mining the wealth from our middle strip mining the wealth from our middle class and uh and treating class and uh and treating class and uh and treating America as if it were business America as if it were business America as if it were business liquidation converting assets to cash as liquidation converting assets to cash as liquidation converting assets to cash as quickly as possible and you know and and quickly as possible and you know and and quickly as possible and you know and and creating or exacerbating creating or exacerbating creating or exacerbating this this this um this huge disparity in wealth in our um this huge disparity in wealth in our um this huge disparity in wealth in our country which is eliminating the middle country which is eliminating the middle country which is eliminating the middle class class class and creating you know kind of a Latin and creating you know kind of a Latin and creating you know kind of a Latin American style feudal model there's a American style feudal model there's a American style feudal model there's a these huge aggregations of wealths above these huge aggregations of wealths above these huge aggregations of wealths above and widespread to spread poverty below and widespread to spread poverty below and widespread to spread poverty below and that's a configuration that is too and that's a configuration that is too and that's a configuration that is too unstable to support democracy unstable to support democracy unstable to support democracy sustainably you know and we're supposed sustainably you know and we're supposed sustainably you know and we're supposed to be modeling democracy but we're to be modeling democracy but we're to be modeling democracy but we're losing it losing it losing it um and I you know I think we have ought um and I you know I think we have ought um and I you know I think we have ought to have a foreign policy to have a foreign policy to have a foreign policy that restores our moral Authority around that restores our moral Authority around that restores our moral Authority around the world or restores America the world or restores America the world or restores America as the embodiment of moral Authority in as the embodiment of moral Authority in as the embodiment of moral Authority in which it was when my uncle is president which it was when my uncle is president which it was when my uncle is president and as a purveyor of Peace rather than and as a purveyor of Peace rather than and as a purveyor of Peace rather than you know you know you know or like Nation my uncle said he didn't or like Nation my uncle said he didn't or like Nation my uncle said he didn't want people in Africa and Latin America want people in Africa and Latin America want people in Africa and Latin America and Asia to think of when they think of and Asia to think of when they think of and Asia to think of when they think of America to picture a man with a gun and America to picture a man with a gun and America to picture a man with a gun and a bayonet he wanted them to think of a a bayonet he wanted them to think of a a bayonet he wanted them to think of a Peace Corps volunteer Peace Corps volunteer Peace Corps volunteer and he refused to send combat veterans

and he refused to send combat veterans and he refused to send combat veterans ComEd soldiers abroad he never sent a ComEd soldiers abroad he never sent a ComEd soldiers abroad he never sent a single Soldier to his death abroad single Soldier to his death abroad single Soldier to his death abroad um and uh and you know into combat um and uh and you know into combat um and uh and you know into combat um he sent 16 000 he resisted in in um he sent 16 000 he resisted in in um he sent 16 000 he resisted in in Berlin in 62. he resisted in Laos Berlin in 62. he resisted in Laos Berlin in 62. he resisted in Laos uh in 61 he resisted uh in 61 he resisted uh in 61 he resisted um um um in in Vietnam you know Vietnam they in in Vietnam you know Vietnam they in in Vietnam you know Vietnam they wanted him to put 250 000 troops he only wanted him to put 250 000 troops he only wanted him to put 250 000 troops he only put 16 000 advisers which was fewer put 16 000 advisers which was fewer put 16 000 advisers which was fewer fewer troops fewer troops fewer troops and he's sent to get James Meredith into and he's sent to get James Meredith into and he's sent to get James Meredith into the uh into the universe to Ole Miss in the uh into the universe to Ole Miss in the uh into the universe to Ole Miss in Oxford Mississippi Oxford Mississippi Oxford Mississippi one black man he sent 16 000 and a month one black man he sent 16 000 and a month one black man he sent 16 000 and a month before he died he ordered them all home before he died he ordered them all home before he died he ordered them all home he actually I think it was October 2nd he actually I think it was October 2nd he actually I think it was October 2nd of 1963 he heard that a Green Beret had of 1963 he heard that a Green Beret had of 1963 he heard that a Green Beret had died and he asked his aide for a combat died and he asked his aide for a combat died and he asked his aide for a combat um list of Combat fatalities and the aid um list of Combat fatalities and the aid um list of Combat fatalities and the aid came back and there was 75 men had died came back and there was 75 men had died came back and there was 75 men had died in Vietnam at that point in Vietnam at that point in Vietnam at that point and he said that's too Maddie we're and he said that's too Maddie we're and he said that's too Maddie we're gonna have no more and he ordered he gonna have no more and he ordered he gonna have no more and he ordered he signed a national security order 263.

signed a national security order 263. signed a national security order 263. and ordered all of those men all and ordered all of those men all and ordered all of those men all Americans home from Vietnam by 1965 with Americans home from Vietnam by 1965 with Americans home from Vietnam by 1965 with the first thousand coming on by December the first thousand coming on by December the first thousand coming on by December 63. 63. 63. and then uh in November he of course and then uh in November he of course and then uh in November he of course just before that evacuation began just before that evacuation began just before that evacuation began he was killed and a week later on he was killed and a week later on he was killed and a week later on President Johnson remanded that order President Johnson remanded that order President Johnson remanded that order and then a year after that the Tonkin and then a year after that the Tonkin and then a year after that the Tonkin Gulf resolution Gulf resolution Gulf resolution we said 250 000 which is what they we said 250 000 which is what they we said 250 000 which is what they wanted my uncle to do which he refused wanted my uncle to do which he refused wanted my uncle to do which he refused and then and it became an American war and then and it became an American war and then and it became an American war and then Nixon you know topped it off at and then Nixon you know topped it off at and then Nixon you know topped it off at 560 560 560 000 56 000 Americans never came home 000 56 000 Americans never came home 000 56 000 Americans never came home including my cousin George skakel who including my cousin George skakel who including my cousin George skakel who died at the Ted offensive died at the Ted offensive died at the Ted offensive um and we killed a million Vietnamese um and we killed a million Vietnamese um and we killed a million Vietnamese and we got nothing for it and we got nothing for it and we got nothing for it so America should be the symbol of peace so America should be the symbol of peace so America should be the symbol of peace and you know and you know and you know today my uncle you know really focused today my uncle you know really focused today my uncle you know really focused on putting America on the side of the on putting America on the side of the on putting America on the side of the poor poor poor instead of our tradition of you know of instead of our tradition of you know of instead of our tradition of you know of of of of uh fortifying oligarchies that were uh fortifying oligarchies that were uh fortifying oligarchies that were anti-communism that was our you know our anti-communism that was our you know our anti-communism that was our you know our major criteria if you said you were major criteria if you said you were major criteria if you said you were against Communists and of course the against Communists and of course the against Communists and of course the people were with the rich people or Aid people were with the rich people or Aid people were with the rich people or Aid was going to the rich people in those was going to the rich people in those was going to the rich people in those countries and they were going to the countries and they were going to the countries and they were going to the military hunt us our weapons were going military hunt us our weapons were going military hunt us our weapons were going to the hunters uh to fight against the to the hunters uh to fight against the to the hunters uh to fight against the poor poor poor and my uncle said no you know America and my uncle said no you know America and my uncle said no you know America should be on the side of the poor and so should be on the side of the poor and so should be on the side of the poor and so he launched the alliance for progress

he launched the alliance for progress he launched the alliance for progress and the usaid which were intended to and the usaid which were intended to and the usaid which were intended to bring Aid to the poorest people in those bring Aid to the poorest people in those bring Aid to the poorest people in those and build middle classes and uh and take and build middle classes and uh and take and build middle classes and uh and take ourselves away in fact ourselves away in fact ourselves away in fact his most his favorite trip his two his most his favorite trip his two his most his favorite trip his two favorite trips while he was present favorite trips while he was present favorite trips while he was present well his most favorite trip was to well his most favorite trip was to well his most favorite trip was to Ireland Ireland Ireland this is incredible this is incredible this is incredible um emotional homecoming for all of the um emotional homecoming for all of the um emotional homecoming for all of the people of Ireland people of Ireland people of Ireland but his second favorite trip was when he but his second favorite trip was when he but his second favorite trip was when he went to Columbia he went to Latin went to Columbia he went to Latin went to Columbia he went to Latin America but Colombia was his favorite America but Colombia was his favorite America but Colombia was his favorite country country country and we I think what two million people and we I think what two million people and we I think what two million people came into Bogota to see him this vast came into Bogota to see him this vast came into Bogota to see him this vast crowd and they were just Delirious crowd and they were just Delirious crowd and they were just Delirious cheering for him cheering for him cheering for him and the president of Colombia and the president of Colombia and the president of Colombia um said to him do you know why they love um said to him do you know why they love um said to him do you know why they love you and my uncle said why and he said you and my uncle said why and he said you and my uncle said why and he said because they think you've put America on because they think you've put America on because they think you've put America on the side of the poor against the the side of the poor against the the side of the poor against the oligarchs oligarchs oligarchs and you know when my uncle after he died and you know when my uncle after he died and you know when my uncle after he died today today today there are more Avenues and boulevards there are more Avenues and boulevards there are more Avenues and boulevards and hospitals and schools and hospitals and schools and hospitals and schools named after and statues named after and named after and statues named after and named after and statues named after and commemorating and Parks commemorating commemorating and Parks commemorating commemorating and Parks commemorating John Kennedy in Africa and Latin America John Kennedy in Africa and Latin America John Kennedy in Africa and Latin America than any other president in the United than any other president in the United than any other president in the United States and probably more than all the States and probably more than all the States and probably more than all the other presidents combined and it's other presidents combined and it's other presidents combined and it's because you know he put America on the because you know he put America on the because you know he put America on the side of the poor and that's what we side of the poor and that's what we side of the poor and that's what we ought to be doing we ought to be ought to be doing we ought to be ought to be doing we ought to be projecting economic power abroad

projecting economic power abroad projecting economic power abroad the Chinese have essentially stolen his the Chinese have essentially stolen his the Chinese have essentially stolen his Playbook Playbook Playbook and you know we've spent eight trillion and you know we've spent eight trillion and you know we've spent eight trillion dollars on the Iraq War in its aftermath dollars on the Iraq War in its aftermath dollars on the Iraq War in its aftermath of wars in Syria Yemen Libya you know of wars in Syria Yemen Libya you know of wars in Syria Yemen Libya you know Afghanistan Pakistan Afghanistan Pakistan Afghanistan Pakistan and uh what do we get for that we got and uh what do we get for that we got and uh what do we get for that we got nothing for that money eight trillion nothing for that money eight trillion nothing for that money eight trillion dollars dollars dollars um we got we killed more Iraqis than um we got we killed more Iraqis than um we got we killed more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein Iraq today is is a is a Saddam Hussein Iraq today is is a is a Saddam Hussein Iraq today is is a is a worse much worse off than it was when worse much worse off than it was when worse much worse off than it was when Sodom was there saying Sodom was there saying Sodom was there saying it's an incoherent violent war between it's an incoherent violent war between it's an incoherent violent war between Shia and Sunni death squads we pushed Shia and Sunni death squads we pushed Shia and Sunni death squads we pushed Iraq into the Embrace of Iran it's now Iraq into the Embrace of Iran it's now Iraq into the Embrace of Iran it's now become essentially a proxy for Iran become essentially a proxy for Iran become essentially a proxy for Iran which is exactly the outcome that we which is exactly the outcome that we which is exactly the outcome that we were trying to prevent for the past you were trying to prevent for the past you were trying to prevent for the past you know 20 or 30 years know 20 or 30 years know 20 or 30 years we created Isis we sent we created Isis we sent we created Isis we sent two million uh refugees two million uh refugees two million uh refugees into Europe into Europe into Europe destabilizing all of the nations in destabilizing all of the nations in destabilizing all of the nations in Europe for generations and we're now Europe for generations and we're now Europe for generations and we're now seeing these riots seeing these riots seeing these riots in uh in France and that's a direct in uh in France and that's a direct in uh in France and that's a direct result from the uh Syrian war that we result from the uh Syrian war that we result from the uh Syrian war that we created and and our creation of Isis created and and our creation of Isis created and and our creation of Isis uh brexit is another you know result of uh brexit is another you know result of uh brexit is another you know result of that so we for eight trillion dollars we that so we for eight trillion dollars we that so we for eight trillion dollars we wreck the world and during that same wreck the world and during that same wreck the world and during that same period that we spent 8.1 trillion period that we spent 8.1 trillion period that we spent 8.1 trillion dollars dollars dollars it's bombing Bridges ports schools it's bombing Bridges ports schools it's bombing Bridges ports schools hospitals Etc the Chinese spent 8.1 hospitals Etc the Chinese spent 8.1 hospitals Etc the Chinese spent 8.1 trillion dollars building schools ports

trillion dollars building schools ports trillion dollars building schools ports hospitals Bridges and and uh and hospitals Bridges and and uh and hospitals Bridges and and uh and universities universities universities and now you know the Chinese are are out and now you know the Chinese are are out and now you know the Chinese are are out competing us everywhere in the world competing us everywhere in the world competing us everywhere in the world everybody wants to deal with the Chinese everybody wants to deal with the Chinese everybody wants to deal with the Chinese because they you know they come in they because they you know they come in they because they you know they come in they they build nice things for you and they they build nice things for you and they they build nice things for you and they and there's no strings attached and and there's no strings attached and and there's no strings attached and they're Pleasant to deal with and and they're Pleasant to deal with and and they're Pleasant to deal with and and you know as a result of that you know as a result of that you know as a result of that versus Hill is switching to the Chinese versus Hill is switching to the Chinese versus Hill is switching to the Chinese currency currency currency um uh Argentina is switching Saudi um uh Argentina is switching Saudi um uh Argentina is switching Saudi Arabia our greatest partner that you Arabia our greatest partner that you Arabia our greatest partner that you know we put trillions of dollars into know we put trillions of dollars into know we put trillions of dollars into protecting our oil pipelines there and protecting our oil pipelines there and protecting our oil pipelines there and now they they're saying now they they're saying now they they're saying you know we we don't we don't care what you know we we don't we don't care what you know we we don't we don't care what the United States think that's what my the United States think that's what my the United States think that's what my mom and solemn said mom and solemn said mom and solemn said he said we don't he you know they he said we don't he you know they he said we don't he you know they he dropped he dropped he dropped oil production in Saudi Arabia oil production in Saudi Arabia oil production in Saudi Arabia in the middle of the U.S in the middle of the U.S in the middle of the U.S um inflation spiral they've never done um inflation spiral they've never done um inflation spiral they've never done that to us before to aggravate the that to us before to aggravate the that to us before to aggravate the inflation spiral inflation spiral inflation spiral and two weeks later and then they signed and two weeks later and then they signed and two weeks later and then they signed a deal I mean a unilateral peace deal a deal I mean a unilateral peace deal a deal I mean a unilateral peace deal with Iran which has been the enemy that with Iran which has been the enemy that with Iran which has been the enemy that we've been telling them to you know to we've been telling them to you know to we've been telling them to you know to be a bulwark against for 20 years be a bulwark against for 20 years be a bulwark against for 20 years and two weeks after that he said we and two weeks after that he said we and two weeks after that he said we don't care what the United States thinks don't care what the United States thinks don't care what the United States thinks anymore so that's what we got for anymore so that's what we got for anymore so that's what we got for spending all those trillions of dollars spending all those trillions of dollars spending all those trillions of dollars there we got short-term friends there we got short-term friends there we got short-term friends and the United States you know policy and the United States you know policy and the United States you know policy abroad and we have not made ourselves abroad and we have not made ourselves abroad and we have not made ourselves safer safer safer we've made Americans we've put Americans

we've made Americans we've put Americans we've made Americans we've put Americans in more Jeopardy all over the world in more Jeopardy all over the world in more Jeopardy all over the world you know you have to wait in lines to you know you have to wait in lines to you know you have to wait in lines to get through the airport get through the airport get through the airport um you have to um you have to um you have to you know the security state is now you know the security state is now you know the security state is now costing us 1.3 trillion dollars costing us 1.3 trillion dollars costing us 1.3 trillion dollars and America is unsafer and poorer than and America is unsafer and poorer than and America is unsafer and poorer than it's ever been so you know we're not it's ever been so you know we're not it's ever been so you know we're not getting getting getting we should be doing what President we should be doing what President we should be doing what President Kennedy said we ought to do and what uh Kennedy said we ought to do and what uh Kennedy said we ought to do and what uh what China the policy that China has now what China the policy that China has now what China the policy that China has now adopted so that's a really eloquent and adopted so that's a really eloquent and adopted so that's a really eloquent and clear and Powerful description of clear and Powerful description of clear and Powerful description of the way you see us should be doing the way you see us should be doing the way you see us should be doing geopolitics and the way you see U.S geopolitics and the way you see U.S geopolitics and the way you see U.S should be taking care of the poor in should be taking care of the poor in should be taking care of the poor in this country let me ask you a question this country let me ask you a question this country let me ask you a question from Jordan Peterson that he asked uh from Jordan Peterson that he asked uh from Jordan Peterson that he asked uh when I told him that I'm speaking with when I told him that I'm speaking with when I told him that I'm speaking with you you you given everything you've said when does given everything you've said when does given everything you've said when does the left go too far the left go too far the left go too far I suppose he's referring to I suppose he's referring to I suppose he's referring to cultural issues cultural issues cultural issues identity politics identity politics identity politics well you know well you know well you know Jordan trying to get me to bad mouth or Jordan trying to get me to bad mouth or Jordan trying to get me to bad mouth or laugh the whole time I was in I really laugh the whole time I was in I really laugh the whole time I was in I really enjoyed my my uh my talk with him yeah enjoyed my my uh my talk with him yeah enjoyed my my uh my talk with him yeah he seemed to have that agenda where he he seemed to have that agenda where he he seemed to have that agenda where he wanted me to you know say bad things wanted me to you know say bad things wanted me to you know say bad things about the left and I just um you know about the left and I just um you know about the left and I just um you know that's not what my campaign is about I that's not what my campaign is about I that's not what my campaign is about I want to do the opposite want to do the opposite want to do the opposite oh I'm not going to bad mouth laugh they oh I'm not going to bad mouth laugh they oh I'm not going to bad mouth laugh they try you know I was on a show this week try you know I was on a show this week try you know I was on a show this week with with with David ramnick from the New Yorker and he

David ramnick from the New Yorker and he David ramnick from the New Yorker and he tried to get me to bad mouth Donald tried to get me to bad mouth Donald tried to get me to bad mouth Donald Trump and you know and Alex Jones and a Trump and you know and Alex Jones and a Trump and you know and Alex Jones and a lot of other people just and envating me lot of other people just and envating me lot of other people just and envating me to do it to do it to do it and of course there's a lot of bad and of course there's a lot of bad and of course there's a lot of bad things I could say about all those things I could say about all those things I could say about all those people but it doesn't you know I'm people but it doesn't you know I'm people but it doesn't you know I'm trying to find trying to find trying to find I'm trying to find values that hold us I'm trying to find values that hold us I'm trying to find values that hold us together and we can share in common together and we can share in common together and we can share in common rather than to focus constantly on these rather than to focus constantly on these rather than to focus constantly on these disputes and these issues that drive us disputes and these issues that drive us disputes and these issues that drive us apart so me sitting here bad-mouthing apart so me sitting here bad-mouthing apart so me sitting here bad-mouthing the left or bad mouthing the right is the left or bad mouthing the right is the left or bad mouthing the right is not going to advance the ball I I really not going to advance the ball I I really not going to advance the ball I I really want to figure out ways that you know want to figure out ways that you know want to figure out ways that you know what do these groups hold in common that what do these groups hold in common that what do these groups hold in common that we can all we can all we can all you know have a shared vision of what we you know have a shared vision of what we you know have a shared vision of what we want this country to look like well want this country to look like well want this country to look like well that's music to my ears but in that that's music to my ears but in that that's music to my ears but in that spirit let me ask you a difficult spirit let me ask you a difficult spirit let me ask you a difficult question then you wrote a book harshly question then you wrote a book harshly question then you wrote a book harshly criticizing Anthony fauci let me ask you criticizing Anthony fauci let me ask you criticizing Anthony fauci let me ask you the Steel Man the case for the people the Steel Man the case for the people the Steel Man the case for the people who support him what is the biggest who support him what is the biggest who support him what is the biggest positive thing you think Anthony fauci positive thing you think Anthony fauci positive thing you think Anthony fauci did for the world what is good that he did for the world what is good that he did for the world what is good that he has done for the world especially during has done for the world especially during has done for the world especially during this pandemic you know I don't want to this pandemic you know I don't want to this pandemic you know I don't want to sit here and speak uncharidly by saying sit here and speak uncharidly by saying sit here and speak uncharidly by saying the guy I'm the guy I'm the guy I'm didn't do anything but I I don't I can't didn't do anything but I I don't I can't didn't do anything but I I don't I can't think of anything I mean if you think of anything I mean if you think of anything I mean if you um if you tell me something that you um if you tell me something that you um if you tell me something that you think he did you know maybe there was a think he did you know maybe there was a think he did you know maybe there was a drug that got licensed while he was in drug that got licensed while he was in drug that got licensed while he was in NIH that you know benefited people

NIH that you know benefited people NIH that you know benefited people that's certainly possible he was there that's certainly possible he was there that's certainly possible he was there for 50 years for 50 years for 50 years and I I in terms of his and I I in terms of his and I I in terms of his um of his principal programs of the AIDS um of his principal programs of the AIDS um of his principal programs of the AIDS programs and his covet programs and I programs and his covet programs and I programs and his covet programs and I think that the harm that he did vastly think that the harm that he did vastly think that the harm that he did vastly outweighed uh you know the the benefits outweighed uh you know the the benefits outweighed uh you know the the benefits do you think he believes he's doing good do you think he believes he's doing good do you think he believes he's doing good for the world I don't know what he for the world I don't know what he for the world I don't know what he believes in fact believes in fact believes in fact in that book which is I think 250 000 in that book which is I think 250 000 in that book which is I think 250 000 words words words I never try to look inside of his head I I never try to look inside of his head I I never try to look inside of his head I deal with facts I deal with science oh deal with facts I deal with science oh deal with facts I deal with science oh and every every factual assertion in and every every factual assertion in and every every factual assertion in that book is that book is that book is cited and sores to government databases cited and sores to government databases cited and sores to government databases or peer-reviewed Publications and uh and or peer-reviewed Publications and uh and or peer-reviewed Publications and uh and I don't I try not to speculate about I don't I try not to speculate about I don't I try not to speculate about things that I don't know about or I things that I don't know about or I things that I don't know about or I can't prove and I do I cannot tell you can't prove and I do I cannot tell you can't prove and I do I cannot tell you what his motivations were what his motivations were what his motivations were or I mean all of us or I mean all of us or I mean all of us he's done a thing a lot of things that I he's done a thing a lot of things that I he's done a thing a lot of things that I think are really very very bad things think are really very very bad things think are really very very bad things for Humanity a very uh deceptive for Humanity a very uh deceptive for Humanity a very uh deceptive but we all have this on this capacity but we all have this on this capacity but we all have this on this capacity for self-deception as I said at the for self-deception as I said at the for self-deception as I said at the beginning of this podcast we we judge beginning of this podcast we we judge beginning of this podcast we we judge ourselves on our intentions rather than ourselves on our intentions rather than ourselves on our intentions rather than our actions and we all our actions and we all our actions and we all have an almost infinite capacity to have an almost infinite capacity to have an almost infinite capacity to convince ourselves convince ourselves convince ourselves that what we're doing is is right and um that what we're doing is is right and um that what we're doing is is right and um you know not everybody kind of lives and you know not everybody kind of lives and you know not everybody kind of lives and examine life and it is examining their examine life and it is examining their examine life and it is examining their motivations in the way that the world motivations in the way that the world motivations in the way that the world might experience

might experience might experience um their professions of goodness um their professions of goodness um their professions of goodness let me ask about the difficulty of the let me ask about the difficulty of the let me ask about the difficulty of the job he had do you think it's possible to job he had do you think it's possible to job he had do you think it's possible to do that kind of job well or is it also a do that kind of job well or is it also a do that kind of job well or is it also a fundamental flaw of the job of being the fundamental flaw of the job of being the fundamental flaw of the job of being the central centralized figure that's central centralized figure that's central centralized figure that's supposed to know scientific policy no I supposed to know scientific policy no I supposed to know scientific policy no I think he was a genuinely bad human being think he was a genuinely bad human being think he was a genuinely bad human being and that there are many many good people and that there are many many good people and that there are many many good people in that department over the years um Bernice addy is a really good example um Bernice addy is a really good example John Anthony Morris many people whose John Anthony Morris many people whose John Anthony Morris many people whose careers he destroyed because they were careers he destroyed because they were careers he destroyed because they were trying to tell the truth trying to tell the truth trying to tell the truth one after the other the greatest one after the other the greatest one after the other the greatest scientists in the history of NIH were scientists in the history of NIH were scientists in the history of NIH were run out of that organization out of that run out of that organization out of that run out of that organization out of that agency agency agency um but you know I people um but you know I people um but you know I people listening to this I you know probably listening to this I you know probably listening to this I you know probably you know well in hearing me say that you know well in hearing me say that you know well in hearing me say that will think that I'm bitter or that I will think that I'm bitter or that I will think that I'm bitter or that I I'm doctrinaire about him but you know I'm doctrinaire about him but you know I'm doctrinaire about him but you know you should really go and read my book you should really go and read my book you should really go and read my book and I it's hard to summarize a and I it's hard to summarize a and I it's hard to summarize a you know I try to be really methodical you know I try to be really methodical you know I try to be really methodical to not call names to just say what to not call names to just say what to not call names to just say what happened uh you are the bigger picture happened uh you are the bigger picture happened uh you are the bigger picture of this is you're an outspoken critic of of this is you're an outspoken critic of of this is you're an outspoken critic of uh pharmaceutical companies big Pharma uh pharmaceutical companies big Pharma uh pharmaceutical companies big Pharma what is the biggest problem with big what is the biggest problem with big what is the biggest problem with big Pharma and how can it be fixed Pharma and how can it be fixed Pharma and how can it be fixed well the problem could be fixed with well the problem could be fixed with well the problem could be fixed with regulation you know on the problems but

regulation you know on the problems but regulation you know on the problems but the pharmaceutical industry is the pharmaceutical industry is the pharmaceutical industry is um um um is uh I mean I don't want to say because is uh I mean I don't want to say because is uh I mean I don't want to say because this is going to seem extreme that a this is going to seem extreme that a this is going to seem extreme that a criminal Enterprise criminal Enterprise criminal Enterprise but if you look at the history that is but if you look at the history that is but if you look at the history that is applicable applicable applicable um um um descript or characterization for example descript or characterization for example descript or characterization for example the four biggest vaccine makers the four biggest vaccine makers the four biggest vaccine makers sanofi Merck Pfizer and glaxone four sanofi Merck Pfizer and glaxone four sanofi Merck Pfizer and glaxone four companies that make all of the 72 companies that make all of the 72 companies that make all of the 72 vaccines that are now mandated for vaccines that are now mandated for vaccines that are now mandated for America effectively mandated for America effectively mandated for America effectively mandated for American children American children American children collectively those companies have paid collectively those companies have paid collectively those companies have paid 35 billion dollars in criminal penalties 35 billion dollars in criminal penalties 35 billion dollars in criminal penalties and damages in the last decade and damages in the last decade and damages in the last decade and I think since 2000 about 79 billion and I think since 2000 about 79 billion and I think since 2000 about 79 billion so these are the most corrupt companies so these are the most corrupt companies so these are the most corrupt companies in the world in the world in the world and the problem is that they're serial and the problem is that they're serial and the problem is that they're serial felons felons felons they you know they do this again and they you know they do this again and they you know they do this again and again and again so again and again so again and again so which vioxidant you know they killed people by vioxidant you know they killed people by falsifying science falsifying science falsifying science and they did it they lied to the public and they did it they lied to the public and they did it they lied to the public they said this is a headache medicine they said this is a headache medicine they said this is a headache medicine and and and um an arthritis painkiller um an arthritis painkiller um an arthritis painkiller but they didn't tell people that it also but they didn't tell people that it also but they didn't tell people that it also gave you heart attacks and they knew you gave you heart attacks and they knew you gave you heart attacks and they knew you know we've found when we sue them on know we've found when we sue them on know we've found when we sue them on their you know the memos from their Bean

their you know the memos from their Bean their you know the memos from their Bean counters saying we're going to kill this counters saying we're going to kill this counters saying we're going to kill this many people but we're still going to many people but we're still going to many people but we're still going to make money so they make those make money so they make those make money so they make those calculations and those calculations are calculations and those calculations are calculations and those calculations are made very very regularly made very very regularly made very very regularly and then you know when they and then you know when they and then you know when they um when they get caught they they pay a um when they get caught they they pay a um when they get caught they they pay a penalty and I think they paid about penalty and I think they paid about penalty and I think they paid about seven billion dollars seven billion dollars seven billion dollars um for viox but then they went right um for viox but then they went right um for viox but then they went right back that same year that they paid that back that same year that they paid that back that same year that they paid that penalty penalty penalty they went back into the same thing again they went back into the same thing again they went back into the same thing again with Gardasil and with a whole lot of with Gardasil and with a whole lot of with Gardasil and with a whole lot of other uh drugs so the way that the other uh drugs so the way that the other uh drugs so the way that the system is set up the way that it sold to system is set up the way that it sold to system is set up the way that it sold to actors the way that actors the way that actors the way that um nobody ever goes to jail so there's um nobody ever goes to jail so there's um nobody ever goes to jail so there's really no penalty that uh really no penalty that uh really no penalty that uh It all becomes part of the cost of doing It all becomes part of the cost of doing It all becomes part of the cost of doing business business business and you know you can see other and you know you can see other and you know you can see other businesses that if they're not if they businesses that if they're not if they businesses that if they're not if they don't if there's no penalty if there's don't if there's no penalty if there's don't if there's no penalty if there's no real I mean look no real I mean look no real I mean look these are the companies that gave us the these are the companies that gave us the these are the companies that gave us the opioid epidemic right so they knew what opioid epidemic right so they knew what opioid epidemic right so they knew what was going to happen and we you know you was going to happen and we you know you was going to happen and we you know you go and see there's a documentary I go and see there's a documentary I go and see there's a documentary I forget what the name of it is but forget what the name of it is but forget what the name of it is but it shows exactly what happened and you it shows exactly what happened and you it shows exactly what happened and you know they corrupted FDA know they corrupted FDA know they corrupted FDA they knew that this that oxycodone was they knew that this that oxycodone was they knew that this that oxycodone was addictive they got FDA to tell doctors addictive they got FDA to tell doctors addictive they got FDA to tell doctors that it wasn't addictive they pressured that it wasn't addictive they pressured that it wasn't addictive they pressured FDA to lie and they got their way and FDA to lie and they got their way and FDA to lie and they got their way and they've so far they left this year you they've so far they left this year you they've so far they left this year you know those know those know those they got a whole generation addicted

they got a whole generation addicted they got a whole generation addicted toxicodone and now you know when they toxicodone and now you know when they toxicodone and now you know when they got caught and they made it we made it got caught and they made it we made it got caught and they made it we made it harder to get oxycodone and now all harder to get oxycodone and now all harder to get oxycodone and now all those addicted kids those addicted kids those addicted kids are going event no and dying and this are going event no and dying and this are going event no and dying and this year it killed 106 106 000. oh that's year it killed 106 106 000. oh that's year it killed 106 106 000. oh that's twice as many people who were killed twice as many people who were killed twice as many people who were killed during the Vietnam during the 20-year during the Vietnam during the 20-year during the Vietnam during the 20-year Vietnam War but in one year twice as Vietnam War but in one year twice as Vietnam War but in one year twice as many American Kids many American Kids many American Kids and they knew it was going to happen and they knew it was going to happen and they knew it was going to happen and they did it to make money so I don't and they did it to make money so I don't and they did it to make money so I don't know what you call that other than know what you call that other than know what you call that other than saying that's you know a criminal saying that's you know a criminal saying that's you know a criminal Enterprise was it possible to have Enterprise was it possible to have Enterprise was it possible to have within a capitalist system to produce within a capitalist system to produce within a capitalist system to produce medication to produce drugs at scale in medication to produce drugs at scale in medication to produce drugs at scale in a way that is not corrupt a way that is not corrupt a way that is not corrupt yeah of course it is how through uh you yeah of course it is how through uh you yeah of course it is how through uh you know through a solid regulatory regimen know through a solid regulatory regimen know through a solid regulatory regimen you know where drugs are actually tested you know where drugs are actually tested you know where drugs are actually tested you know I mean the problem is you know I mean the problem is you know I mean the problem is not the capitalist system the capitalist not the capitalist system the capitalist not the capitalist system the capitalist system I you know I have great system I you know I have great system I you know I have great admiration for thinking that love for admiration for thinking that love for admiration for thinking that love for the capitalist system is the greatest the capitalist system is the greatest the capitalist system is the greatest economic engine ever devised economic engine ever devised economic engine ever devised but it has to be harnessed to a social but it has to be harnessed to a social but it has to be harnessed to a social purpose purpose purpose otherwise it's gonna it leaves us you otherwise it's gonna it leaves us you otherwise it's gonna it leaves us you know down know down know down a trail of oligarchy environmental a trail of oligarchy environmental a trail of oligarchy environmental destruction and you know and destruction and you know and destruction and you know and commoditizing poisoning and uh and commoditizing poisoning and uh and commoditizing poisoning and uh and killing human beings that's what it will killing human beings that's what it will killing human beings that's what it will do and in the end do and in the end do and in the end you need a regulatory structure

you need a regulatory structure you need a regulatory structure that is that is that is um that is not um that is not um that is not uh corrupted uh corrupted uh corrupted I entanglements Financial entanglements I entanglements Financial entanglements I entanglements Financial entanglements with the industry with the industry with the industry and we've set this up the way that this and we've set this up the way that this and we've set this up the way that this is that the system is set up today is that the system is set up today is that the system is set up today has created this system of regulatory has created this system of regulatory has created this system of regulatory capture on steroids capture on steroids capture on steroids so almost 50 percent of fda's budget so almost 50 percent of fda's budget so almost 50 percent of fda's budget comes from pharmaceutical companies comes from pharmaceutical companies comes from pharmaceutical companies the people who work at FDA are you know the people who work at FDA are you know the people who work at FDA are you know their money is coming their salaries are their money is coming their salaries are their money is coming their salaries are coming from Pharma half their salaries coming from Pharma half their salaries coming from Pharma half their salaries so they're you know they know who their so they're you know they know who their so they're you know they know who their bosses are and that means getting those bosses are and that means getting those bosses are and that means getting those drugs done getting them out the door and drugs done getting them out the door and drugs done getting them out the door and approved as quickly as possible it's approved as quickly as possible it's approved as quickly as possible it's called Fast Track approval and they pay called Fast Track approval and they pay called Fast Track approval and they pay 50 50 of fda's budget 50 50 of fda's budget 50 50 of fda's budget it goes about 45 actually goes to Fast it goes about 45 actually goes to Fast it goes about 45 actually goes to Fast Track approval do you think money can Track approval do you think money can Track approval do you think money can buy Integrity oh yeah of course it can buy Integrity oh yeah of course it can buy Integrity oh yeah of course it can and right right yeah I mean there's and right right yeah I mean there's and right right yeah I mean there's that's not something that is that is that's not something that is that is that's not something that is that is controversial of course it will so and controversial of course it will so and controversial of course it will so and then controversial to me I would like to then controversial to me I would like to then controversial to me I would like to think that scientists think that scientists think that scientists I'm talking about population wide I'm I'm talking about population wide I'm I'm talking about population wide I'm not talking about the individual but I'd not talking about the individual but I'd not talking about the individual but I'd like to believe that scientists like to believe that scientists like to believe that scientists I mean it in general career of a I mean it in general career of a I mean it in general career of a scientist is not a very high paying job scientist is not a very high paying job scientist is not a very high paying job I'd like to believe that people that go I'd like to believe that people that go I'd like to believe that people that go into science that work at FDA they work into science that work at FDA they work into science that work at FDA they work at NIH are doing it for a reason that's

at NIH are doing it for a reason that's at NIH are doing it for a reason that's not even correlated with money really not even correlated with money really not even correlated with money really yeah yeah yeah and I think probably that's why they go and I think probably that's why they go and I think probably that's why they go in there but scientists are corruptable in there but scientists are corruptable in there but scientists are corruptable and you know I the way and you know I the way and you know I the way the way that I can tell you that is that the way that I can tell you that is that the way that I can tell you that is that I've brought over 500 losses and almost I've brought over 500 losses and almost I've brought over 500 losses and almost all of them involve scientific all of them involve scientific all of them involve scientific controversies and there are scientists controversies and there are scientists controversies and there are scientists on both sides in everyone on both sides in everyone on both sides in everyone and when I said when we said Monsanto and when I said when we said Monsanto and when I said when we said Monsanto there was uh on the Monsanto side there there was uh on the Monsanto side there there was uh on the Monsanto side there was a Yale scientist a Stanford was a Yale scientist a Stanford was a Yale scientist a Stanford scientist and a Harvard scientist and on scientist and a Harvard scientist and on scientist and a Harvard scientist and on RSI there was a Yale Stanford and RSI there was a Yale Stanford and RSI there was a Yale Stanford and Harvard scientists and they were saying Harvard scientists and they were saying Harvard scientists and they were saying exactly the opposite things exactly the opposite things exactly the opposite things in fact there's a word for those kind of in fact there's a word for those kind of in fact there's a word for those kind of scientists who take money for their scientists who take money for their scientists who take money for their opinion and the word is by astitutes opinion and the word is by astitutes opinion and the word is by astitutes and they are very very common and you and they are very very common and you and they are very very common and you know and I've been dealing them with know and I've been dealing them with know and I've been dealing them with with them my whole career you know I with them my whole career you know I with them my whole career you know I think it was Upton Sinclair who said think it was Upton Sinclair who said think it was Upton Sinclair who said that it's very that it's very that it's very um difficult to persuade a man of a fact um difficult to persuade a man of a fact um difficult to persuade a man of a fact if the existence of that fact will if the existence of that fact will if the existence of that fact will diminish his salary and I think that's diminish his salary and I think that's diminish his salary and I think that's true for all of us if they you know we true for all of us if they you know we true for all of us if they you know we find a way of reconciling ourselves find a way of reconciling ourselves find a way of reconciling ourselves the things that are the things that are the things that are the truth that actually and World Views the truth that actually and World Views the truth that actually and World Views and actually benefit our our salaries and actually benefit our our salaries and actually benefit our our salaries now NIH now NIH now NIH um NIH has probably the worst system um NIH has probably the worst system um NIH has probably the worst system which is that scientists who work for which is that scientists who work for which is that scientists who work for NIH NIH itself which used to be the NIH NIH itself which used to be the NIH NIH itself which used to be the premier gold standard scientific agency

premier gold standard scientific agency premier gold standard scientific agency in the world in the world in the world everybody looked at NIH said today it's everybody looked at NIH said today it's everybody looked at NIH said today it's just an incubator for pharmaceutical just an incubator for pharmaceutical just an incubator for pharmaceutical drugs and and you know that is that drugs and and you know that is that drugs and and you know that is that gravity of economic self-interest gravity of economic self-interest gravity of economic self-interest because if you're because if you're because if you're um if NIH itself collects uh royalties um if NIH itself collects uh royalties um if NIH itself collects uh royalties they have margin rights for the patents they have margin rights for the patents they have margin rights for the patents on all the drugs that they work on so on all the drugs that they work on so on all the drugs that they work on so with the modern vaccine which they with the modern vaccine which they with the modern vaccine which they promoted incessantly and aggressively promoted incessantly and aggressively promoted incessantly and aggressively NIH on fifty percent of That vaccine is NIH on fifty percent of That vaccine is NIH on fifty percent of That vaccine is making billions and billions of dollars making billions and billions of dollars making billions and billions of dollars on it on it on it and there are four at least four and there are four at least four and there are four at least four scientists that we know of and probably scientists that we know of and probably scientists that we know of and probably at least six at least six at least six at NIH who themselves have margin rights at NIH who themselves have margin rights at NIH who themselves have margin rights for those patents so if you are a for those patents so if you are a for those patents so if you are a scientist who work at NIH you work on a scientist who work at NIH you work on a scientist who work at NIH you work on a new drug new drug new drug you then get margin rights and you're you then get margin rights and you're you then get margin rights and you're entitled to royalties 150 000 a year entitled to royalties 150 000 a year entitled to royalties 150 000 a year forever from that forever your children forever from that forever your children forever from that forever your children your children's children as long as that your children's children as long as that your children's children as long as that uh products on the market you can uh products on the market you can uh products on the market you can collect royalties collect royalties collect royalties so you have you know the Montana vaccine so you have you know the Montana vaccine so you have you know the Montana vaccine is paying for the top people at NIH you is paying for the top people at NIH you is paying for the top people at NIH you know some of the top Regulators is know some of the top Regulators is know some of the top Regulators is paying for their boats it's paying for paying for their boats it's paying for paying for their boats it's paying for their mortgages paying for their their mortgages paying for their their mortgages paying for their children's education children's education children's education and you know you have to expect and you know you have to expect and you know you have to expect that the uh that in those kind of that the uh that in those kind of that the uh that in those kind of situations the regulatory function would situations the regulatory function would situations the regulatory function would be be be um subsumed beneath the Mercantile um subsumed beneath the Mercantile um subsumed beneath the Mercantile Ambitions of the agency itself and the

Ambitions of the agency itself and the Ambitions of the agency itself and the individuals who stand to profit individuals who stand to profit individuals who stand to profit enormously from getting a drug to Market enormously from getting a drug to Market enormously from getting a drug to Market those guys are paid those guys are paid those guys are paid by us the taxpayer to find problems with by us the taxpayer to find problems with by us the taxpayer to find problems with those drugs before they get to Market those drugs before they get to Market those drugs before they get to Market but if you know that drug is going to but if you know that drug is going to but if you know that drug is going to pay for your mortgage you may Overlook a pay for your mortgage you may Overlook a pay for your mortgage you may Overlook a little problem and that we're even a little problem and that we're even a little problem and that we're even a very big one very big one very big one and that's the problem you've talked and that's the problem you've talked and that's the problem you've talked about that the media Slanders You by about that the media Slanders You by about that the media Slanders You by calling you an anti-vaxxer calling you an anti-vaxxer calling you an anti-vaxxer and you've said that you're not and you've said that you're not and you've said that you're not anti-vaccine you're pro-safe vaccine anti-vaccine you're pro-safe vaccine anti-vaccine you're pro-safe vaccine difficult question can you name any difficult question can you name any difficult question can you name any vaccines that you think are good vaccines that you think are good vaccines that you think are good uh I think some of the live virus uh I think some of the live virus uh I think some of the live virus vaccines are probably vaccines are probably vaccines are probably uh so of earning more problems than uh so of earning more problems than uh so of earning more problems than they're causing they're causing they're causing there's no vaccine that is you know safe there's no vaccine that is you know safe there's no vaccine that is you know safe and effective and effective and effective the into big words the into big words the into big words can we talk about well here's the can we talk about well here's the can we talk about well here's the problem here's the problem problem here's the problem problem here's the problem yeah here's the problem yeah here's the problem yeah here's the problem the polio vaccine contained a the polio vaccine contained a the polio vaccine contained a um a virus called semi virus 40 sv40 um a virus called semi virus 40 sv40 um a virus called semi virus 40 sv40 it's it's one of the most carcinogenic it's it's one of the most carcinogenic it's it's one of the most carcinogenic materials that is known to man in fact materials that is known to man in fact materials that is known to man in fact it's used Now by scientists around the it's used Now by scientists around the it's used Now by scientists around the world to induce tumors and rats and world to induce tumors and rats and world to induce tumors and rats and guinea pigs in labs guinea pigs in labs guinea pigs in labs but it was in that vaccine 98 million but it was in that vaccine 98 million but it was in that vaccine 98 million people who got that vaccine in my people who got that vaccine in my people who got that vaccine in my generation got it and now you've had generation got it and now you've had generation got it and now you've had this explosion this explosion this explosion of soft tissue cancers in our generation of soft tissue cancers in our generation of soft tissue cancers in our generation that kill many many many many many many

that kill many many many many many many that kill many many many many many many more people than polio ever did so if more people than polio ever did so if more people than polio ever did so if you say to me the you know the polio you say to me the you know the polio you say to me the you know the polio vaccine was effective against polio I'm vaccine was effective against polio I'm vaccine was effective against polio I'm going to say yes if I say if you said to going to say yes if I say if you said to going to say yes if I say if you said to me did it kill more people that it ever me did it kill more people that it ever me did it kill more people that it ever caused more deaths than I've heard I I caused more deaths than I've heard I I caused more deaths than I've heard I I would say I don't know because we don't would say I don't know because we don't would say I don't know because we don't have the data on that have the data on that have the data on that so but let's talk well you know so we so but let's talk well you know so we so but let's talk well you know so we kind of have to narrow in on is it kind of have to narrow in on is it kind of have to narrow in on is it effective against the thing it's effective against the thing it's effective against the thing it's supposed to fight oh well a lot of them supposed to fight oh well a lot of them supposed to fight oh well a lot of them are let me give you an example are let me give you an example are let me give you an example the most popular vaccine in the world is the most popular vaccine in the world is the most popular vaccine in the world is the dtp vaccine diphtheria tetanus and the dtp vaccine diphtheria tetanus and the dtp vaccine diphtheria tetanus and pertussis it was used in this kind of pertussis it was used in this kind of pertussis it was used in this kind of introduced in this country around 1980 introduced in this country around 1980 introduced in this country around 1980 That vaccine caused so many injuries the That vaccine caused so many injuries the That vaccine caused so many injuries the Elias which was the manufacturer was Elias which was the manufacturer was Elias which was the manufacturer was said to the Reagan Administration we are said to the Reagan Administration we are said to the Reagan Administration we are now paying twenty dollars in Downstream now paying twenty dollars in Downstream now paying twenty dollars in Downstream liabilities for every dollar that we're liabilities for every dollar that we're liabilities for every dollar that we're making in profits and we are getting out making in profits and we are getting out making in profits and we are getting out of the business unless you give us of the business unless you give us of the business unless you give us permanent immunity from liability permanent immunity from liability permanent immunity from liability so the vaccine companies and we're given so the vaccine companies and we're given so the vaccine companies and we're given and and by the way Reagan said at that and and by the way Reagan said at that and and by the way Reagan said at that time why don't you just make the vaccine time why don't you just make the vaccine time why don't you just make the vaccine safe safe safe and why is that because vaccines are and why is that because vaccines are and why is that because vaccines are inherently unsafe they said unavoidably inherently unsafe they said unavoidably inherently unsafe they said unavoidably unsafe you cannot make them safe unsafe you cannot make them safe unsafe you cannot make them safe and so when Reagan wrote the Bill and and so when Reagan wrote the Bill and and so when Reagan wrote the Bill and passed it the bill says and it's passed it the bill says and it's passed it the bill says and it's Preamble is because vaccines are Preamble is because vaccines are Preamble is because vaccines are unavoidably unsafe and the Bruce Woods unavoidably unsafe and the Bruce Woods unavoidably unsafe and the Bruce Woods case which was the Supreme Court case case which was the Supreme Court case case which was the Supreme Court case that uphold upheld that bill that uphold upheld that bill that uphold upheld that bill uses that same language vaccines cannot

uses that same language vaccines cannot uses that same language vaccines cannot be made safe they're unavoidably unsafe be made safe they're unavoidably unsafe be made safe they're unavoidably unsafe so this is what the law says now I just so this is what the law says now I just so this is what the law says now I just want to finish this story because this want to finish this story because this want to finish this story because this illustrates very well your your question illustrates very well your your question illustrates very well your your question uh that the dtp vaccine was discontinued uh that the dtp vaccine was discontinued uh that the dtp vaccine was discontinued in this country and it was discontinued in this country and it was discontinued in this country and it was discontinued in Europe because that so many kids were in Europe because that so many kids were in Europe because that so many kids were being injured by it being injured by it being injured by it however The Who and Bill Gates gives it however The Who and Bill Gates gives it however The Who and Bill Gates gives it to 161 million African children every to 161 million African children every to 161 million African children every year year year and and and um Bill Gates went to the Danish um Bill Gates went to the Danish um Bill Gates went to the Danish government government government and asked them to support this program and asked them to support this program and asked them to support this program saying we've saved 30 million kids from saying we've saved 30 million kids from saying we've saved 30 million kids from dying from diphtheria tetanus and dying from diphtheria tetanus and dying from diphtheria tetanus and pertussis pertussis pertussis said can you show us the data and he said can you show us the data and he said can you show us the data and he couldn't so the Danish government paid couldn't so the Danish government paid couldn't so the Danish government paid for a big study for a big study for a big study with Novo Nordisk which is a with Novo Nordisk which is a with Novo Nordisk which is a Scandinavian vaccine company Scandinavian vaccine company Scandinavian vaccine company in West Africa and they went to West in West Africa and they went to West in West Africa and they went to West Africa and they looked at the DPP Africa and they looked at the DPP Africa and they looked at the DPP vaccine for 30 years of data vaccine for 30 years of data vaccine for 30 years of data and they they hire they retain the best and they they hire they retain the best and they they hire they retain the best vaccine scientists in the world these vaccine scientists in the world these vaccine scientists in the world these kind of deities of African vaccine kind of deities of African vaccine kind of deities of African vaccine program Peter aab Sigrid Morganson and a program Peter aab Sigrid Morganson and a program Peter aab Sigrid Morganson and a bunch of others bunch of others bunch of others and they looked at 30 years of data for and they looked at 30 years of data for and they looked at 30 years of data for the dtp vaccine and they came back the dtp vaccine and they came back the dtp vaccine and they came back and they were shocked by what they found and they were shocked by what they found and they were shocked by what they found they found the vaccine was preventing they found the vaccine was preventing they found the vaccine was preventing kids from getting diphtheria tetanus kids from getting diphtheria tetanus kids from getting diphtheria tetanus appetizers but the girls who got that appetizers but the girls who got that appetizers but the girls who got that vaccine were ten times more likely to vaccine were ten times more likely to vaccine were ten times more likely to die over the next six months than than die over the next six months than than die over the next six months than than children who didn't

children who didn't children who didn't why is that and they weren't dying from why is that and they weren't dying from why is that and they weren't dying from anything anybody ever associated with anything anybody ever associated with anything anybody ever associated with the vaccine they were dying of anemia the vaccine they were dying of anemia the vaccine they were dying of anemia heartsia malaria heartsia malaria heartsia malaria sepsis sepsis sepsis um and mainly pulmonary and respiratory um and mainly pulmonary and respiratory um and mainly pulmonary and respiratory diseasement pneumonia diseasement pneumonia diseasement pneumonia and it turns out that's what the the and it turns out that's what the the and it turns out that's what the the um that this what the researchers found um that this what the researchers found um that this what the researchers found who were all pro-vaccine by the way who were all pro-vaccine by the way who were all pro-vaccine by the way they said that this vaccine is killing they said that this vaccine is killing they said that this vaccine is killing more children more children more children than diphtheria tetanus and pertussis than diphtheria tetanus and pertussis than diphtheria tetanus and pertussis prior to the introduction of the vaccine prior to the introduction of the vaccine prior to the introduction of the vaccine and for 30 years nobody ever noticed it and for 30 years nobody ever noticed it and for 30 years nobody ever noticed it the vaccine was providing protection the vaccine was providing protection the vaccine was providing protection against those Target illnesses but it against those Target illnesses but it against those Target illnesses but it had ruined the children's immune systems had ruined the children's immune systems had ruined the children's immune systems and they could not defend themselves and they could not defend themselves and they could not defend themselves against random infections that were against random infections that were against random infections that were harmless to most children but isn't that harmless to most children but isn't that harmless to most children but isn't that nearly impossible to prove that link you nearly impossible to prove that link you nearly impossible to prove that link you can't prove the link all you can do is can't prove the link all you can do is can't prove the link all you can do is for any particular interest you can't for any particular interest you can't for any particular interest you can't illness or after you can't prove the illness or after you can't prove the illness or after you can't prove the link but you can show statistically that link but you can show statistically that link but you can show statistically that there is that if you get that vaccine there is that if you get that vaccine there is that if you get that vaccine you're more likely to die over the next you're more likely to die over the next you're more likely to die over the next six months than if you don't and those six months than if you don't and those six months than if you don't and those studies unfortunately are not done for studies unfortunately are not done for studies unfortunately are not done for any other vaccines any other vaccines any other vaccines so for every other medicine so for every other medicine so for every other medicine in order to get approval from the FDA in order to get approval from the FDA in order to get approval from the FDA you have to do a placebo-controlled you have to do a placebo-controlled you have to do a placebo-controlled trial prior to licensure where you you trial prior to licensure where you you trial prior to licensure where you you look at Health outcomes among a value look at Health outcomes among a value look at Health outcomes among a value among an exposed group a group that gets among an exposed group a group that gets among an exposed group a group that gets it and compare those to a similarly it and compare those to a similarly it and compare those to a similarly situated group that gets a placebo

situated group that gets a placebo situated group that gets a placebo the only medical intervention that does the only medical intervention that does the only medical intervention that does not not not receive that does not undergo receive that does not undergo receive that does not undergo placebo-controlled trials prior to placebo-controlled trials prior to placebo-controlled trials prior to license or vaccines not one of the 72 license or vaccines not one of the 72 license or vaccines not one of the 72 vaccines that are now mandated for our vaccines that are now mandated for our vaccines that are now mandated for our children have ever gone they're gone children have ever gone they're gone children have ever gone they're gone a placebo-controlled trial prior to a placebo-controlled trial prior to a placebo-controlled trial prior to licensor so I should say that there's a licensor so I should say that there's a licensor so I should say that there's a bunch on that point I've heard from a bunch on that point I've heard from a bunch on that point I've heard from a bunch of folks that disagree with you bunch of folks that disagree with you bunch of folks that disagree with you including Polio I mean and the test including Polio I mean and the test including Polio I mean and the test testing is a really important point testing is a really important point testing is a really important point before licensure placebo-controlled before licensure placebo-controlled before licensure placebo-controlled randomized trials randomized trials randomized trials polio polio polio uh received just that against the saline uh received just that against the saline uh received just that against the saline Placebo control Placebo control Placebo control so it seems unclear to I'm confused why so it seems unclear to I'm confused why so it seems unclear to I'm confused why you say that that they don't go through you say that that they don't go through you say that that they don't go through that process it seems like a lot a lot that process it seems like a lot a lot that process it seems like a lot a lot of them do of them do of them do yeah yeah yeah here's the thing here's the thing here's the thing is that is that is that um I was saying that for many years um I was saying that for many years um I was saying that for many years because we couldn't find any yeah because we couldn't find any yeah because we couldn't find any yeah and then in 2016 in March I met and then in 2016 in March I met and then in 2016 in March I met president Trump ordered Dr fauci to meet president Trump ordered Dr fauci to meet president Trump ordered Dr fauci to meet with me and Dr fauci with me and Dr fauci with me and Dr fauci and Francis Collins and I said to them and Francis Collins and I said to them and Francis Collins and I said to them during that meeting during that meeting during that meeting you have been saying that I'm not you have been saying that I'm not you have been saying that I'm not telling the truth when I said not one of telling the truth when I said not one of telling the truth when I said not one of these has undergone a prior pre-licenser these has undergone a prior pre-licenser these has undergone a prior pre-licenser with Civic control with Civic control with Civic control and Napoleon may have had one post and Napoleon may have had one post and Napoleon may have had one post license like most of them haven't license like most of them haven't license like most of them haven't the polio may have I don't know the polio may have I don't know the polio may have I don't know but I said our question was prior to

but I said our question was prior to but I said our question was prior to license or do you ever test these license or do you ever test these license or do you ever test these and for safety and by the way and for safety and by the way and for safety and by the way I think the polio of vaccine I think the polio of vaccine I think the polio of vaccine did undergo a saline Placebo trial did undergo a saline Placebo trial did undergo a saline Placebo trial prior licensure but not for safety prior licensure but not for safety prior licensure but not for safety only for efficacy only for efficacy only for efficacy so I'm talking about safety trials now so I'm talking about safety trials now so I'm talking about safety trials now I thought she told me that he was he I thought she told me that he was he I thought she told me that he was he said I can't find one now he had a whole said I can't find one now he had a whole said I can't find one now he had a whole tray of files there he said I can't find tray of files there he said I can't find tray of files there he said I can't find that one now but I'll send you one I that one now but I'll send you one I that one now but I'll send you one I said just for any vaccines send me one said just for any vaccines send me one said just for any vaccines send me one for any of the 72 vaccines for any of the 72 vaccines for any of the 72 vaccines he never did so we sued the HHS and he never did so we sued the HHS and he never did so we sued the HHS and after a year of stonewalling us HHS came after a year of stonewalling us HHS came after a year of stonewalling us HHS came back back back and they gave us a letter saying we have and they gave us a letter saying we have and they gave us a letter saying we have no pre-licensing safe dropped for any of no pre-licensing safe dropped for any of no pre-licensing safe dropped for any of the 72 vaccines and that the letter from the 72 vaccines and that the letter from the 72 vaccines and that the letter from HHS HHS HHS which settled our lawsuit against them which settled our lawsuit against them which settled our lawsuit against them because we had a foia lawsuit against because we had a foia lawsuit against because we had a foia lawsuit against them is posted on chd's website so them is posted on chd's website so them is posted on chd's website so anybody can go look at it so if CHD if anybody can go look at it so if CHD if anybody can go look at it so if CHD if if if if HHS had any study I assumed they would HHS had any study I assumed they would HHS had any study I assumed they would have given it to us and they they can't have given it to us and they they can't have given it to us and they they can't find one find one find one well let me zoom out because a lot of well let me zoom out because a lot of well let me zoom out because a lot of The Details Matter here pre-licensure The Details Matter here pre-licensure The Details Matter here pre-licensure what does placebo-controlled mean so what does placebo-controlled mean so what does placebo-controlled mean so this is uh this is uh this is uh um this probably requires a a rigorous um this probably requires a a rigorous um this probably requires a a rigorous analysis and actually at this point it analysis and actually at this point it analysis and actually at this point it would be nice for me just to give this

would be nice for me just to give this would be nice for me just to give this shout out to shout out to shout out to other people much smarter than me other people much smarter than me other people much smarter than me that people should follow along with that people should follow along with that people should follow along with Robert F Kennedy Jr use their mind learn Robert F Kennedy Jr use their mind learn Robert F Kennedy Jr use their mind learn and think so one really awesome Creator and think so one really awesome Creator and think so one really awesome Creator I really recommend him is Dr Dan Wilson I really recommend him is Dr Dan Wilson I really recommend him is Dr Dan Wilson he hosts the debunk the funk podcast he hosts the debunk the funk podcast he hosts the debunk the funk podcast uh vincerecan yellow who hosts this week uh vincerecan yellow who hosts this week uh vincerecan yellow who hosts this week in virology brilliant guy I've had him in virology brilliant guy I've had him in virology brilliant guy I've had him on the podcast somebody you've been on the podcast somebody you've been on the podcast somebody you've been battling with is Paul offit interesting battling with is Paul offit interesting battling with is Paul offit interesting Twitter interesting books people should Twitter interesting books people should Twitter interesting books people should read and understand and read your books read and understand and read your books read and understand and read your books as well and uh Eric topple has a good as well and uh Eric topple has a good as well and uh Eric topple has a good Twitter and good books and even Peter Twitter and good books and even Peter Twitter and good books and even Peter Hotes I'll ask you about him and people Hotes I'll ask you about him and people Hotes I'll ask you about him and people should should should as Paul outfit published a sub stack recently debunking published a sub stack recently debunking I think my um I think my um I think my um my a discussion with uh with Joe Rogan my a discussion with uh with Joe Rogan my a discussion with uh with Joe Rogan and and and um and we have published a debunk of his um and we have published a debunk of his um and we have published a debunk of his debunking and you know let's hope you debunking and you know let's hope you debunking and you know let's hope you read his stuff you should read both yes read his stuff you should read both yes read his stuff you should read both yes you should read uh you should read uh you should read uh and I would love to debate any of these and I would love to debate any of these and I would love to debate any of these guys guys guys uh so Joe Rogan proposed just such a uh so Joe Rogan proposed just such a uh so Joe Rogan proposed just such a debate which is quite debate which is quite debate which is quite fascinating to see how much attention fascinating to see how much attention fascinating to see how much attention and how much funding it garnered uh the and how much funding it garnered uh the and how much funding it garnered uh the debate between you and Peter Hotes why debate between you and Peter Hotes why debate between you and Peter Hotes why do you think uh Peter rejected the offer do you think uh Peter rejected the offer do you think uh Peter rejected the offer I think it's I think you know again I'm

I think it's I think you know again I'm I think it's I think you know again I'm not going to look into his head not going to look into his head not going to look into his head but what I will say is if you're a but what I will say is if you're a but what I will say is if you're a scientist and you're making public scientist and you're making public scientist and you're making public recommendations based upon what you say recommendations based upon what you say recommendations based upon what you say is evidence-based science you ought to is evidence-based science you ought to is evidence-based science you ought to be able to defend that you ought to be be able to defend that you ought to be be able to defend that you ought to be evident defended in a public forum and evident defended in a public forum and evident defended in a public forum and you ought to be able to defended against you ought to be able to defended against you ought to be able to defended against you know all comers you know all comers you know all comers and you know uh so I I you know if and you know uh so I I you know if and you know uh so I I you know if you're a scientist Science is based on you're a scientist Science is based on you're a scientist Science is based on is rooted in logic and reason and if you is rooted in logic and reason and if you is rooted in logic and reason and if you can't use logic and reason to defend can't use logic and reason to defend can't use logic and reason to defend your position your position your position and by the way and by the way and by the way I know almost all of the studies you I know almost all of the studies you I know almost all of the studies you know I've written books on men know I've written books on men know I've written books on men we've made a big effort to assemble all we've made a big effort to assemble all we've made a big effort to assemble all the studies on both sides the studies on both sides the studies on both sides and so I'm prepared to talk about those and so I'm prepared to talk about those and so I'm prepared to talk about those studies and I'm prepared to submit them studies and I'm prepared to submit them studies and I'm prepared to submit them in advance you know and uh for each of in advance you know and uh for each of in advance you know and uh for each of the points the points the points and by the way I've done that with Peter and by the way I've done that with Peter and by the way I've done that with Peter Hotes you know I've I've actually Hotes you know I've I've actually Hotes you know I've I've actually because I had this um this kind of because I had this um this kind of because I had this um this kind of informal debate with them informal debate with them informal debate with them several years ago with them with a several years ago with them with a several years ago with them with a referee at that time and we were referee at that time and we were referee at that time and we were debating not only by phone but by email debating not only by phone but by email debating not only by phone but by email and on those emails every point that he and on those emails every point that he and on those emails every point that he would make I would cite science and he would make I would cite science and he would make I would cite science and he could never come back with science he could never come back with science he could never come back with science he could never come back with Publications could never come back with Publications could never come back with Publications he would give Publications that had he would give Publications that had he would give Publications that had nothing to do with for example if I'm nothing to do with for example if I'm nothing to do with for example if I'm aerosol and vaccines Mercury based aerosol and vaccines Mercury based aerosol and vaccines Mercury based vaccines he sent me one time

vaccines he sent me one time vaccines he sent me one time 16 studies to to uh to rebut something 16 studies to to uh to rebut something 16 studies to to uh to rebut something I'd said about thimerosal and not one of I'd said about thimerosal and not one of I'd said about thimerosal and not one of those studies they were all about the those studies they were all about the those studies they were all about the MMR vaccine which doesn't contain MMR vaccine which doesn't contain MMR vaccine which doesn't contain thymaris also it wasn't like a real thymaris also it wasn't like a real thymaris also it wasn't like a real debate where you're debate where you're debate where you're you know you're you're using reason and you know you're you're using reason and you know you're you're using reason and isolating points and having a you know isolating points and having a you know isolating points and having a you know irrational discourse I I don't think irrational discourse I I don't think irrational discourse I I don't think that he that he that he I don't blame him for not debating me I don't blame him for not debating me I don't blame him for not debating me because I don't think he has the the because I don't think he has the the because I don't think he has the the science science science are there aspects of uh all the work are there aspects of uh all the work are there aspects of uh all the work you've done in vaccines all the advocacy you've done in vaccines all the advocacy you've done in vaccines all the advocacy you've done that you found out that you you've done that you found out that you you've done that you found out that you were not correct on that you were wrong were not correct on that you were wrong were not correct on that you were wrong on it that you've changed your mind on on it that you've changed your mind on on it that you've changed your mind on yeah there are many times over a time yeah there are many times over a time yeah there are many times over a time that I that I that I you know I found that I've made mistakes you know I found that I've made mistakes you know I found that I've made mistakes and we correct those mistakes you know I and we correct those mistakes you know I and we correct those mistakes you know I run a big organization and I do a lot of run a big organization and I do a lot of run a big organization and I do a lot of tweets you know I'm very careful for tweets you know I'm very careful for tweets you know I'm very careful for example my Instagram example my Instagram example my Instagram I was taken down from for misinformation I was taken down from for misinformation I was taken down from for misinformation but there was no misinformation on my but there was no misinformation on my but there was no misinformation on my Instagram everything that I decided on Instagram everything that I decided on Instagram everything that I decided on Instagram was cited or resourced to a Instagram was cited or resourced to a Instagram was cited or resourced to a government database or to peer-reviewed government database or to peer-reviewed government database or to peer-reviewed science science science but for example the defender which was but for example the defender which was but for example the defender which was our our our um our organizations um our organizations um our organizations uh newsletter we summarize scientific uh newsletter we summarize scientific uh newsletter we summarize scientific reports all the time that's one of the reports all the time that's one of the reports all the time that's one of the things the services that we provide so things the services that we provide so things the services that we provide so we watched the you know PubMed and we we watched the you know PubMed and we we watched the you know PubMed and we watched the peer-reviewed Publications watched the peer-reviewed Publications watched the peer-reviewed Publications and we summarize them when they come out

and we summarize them when they come out and we summarize them when they come out we have made mistakes when we make we have made mistakes when we make we have made mistakes when we make mistakes we are rigorous about mistakes we are rigorous about mistakes we are rigorous about acknowledging it apologizing for it and acknowledging it apologizing for it and acknowledging it apologizing for it and changing it that's what we do I think we changing it that's what we do I think we changing it that's what we do I think we have one of the most robust fact have one of the most robust fact have one of the most robust fact checking operations anywhere in checking operations anywhere in checking operations anywhere in journalism today journalism today journalism today we actually do real science and you know we actually do real science and you know we actually do real science and you know there listen I've put up on my Twitter there listen I've put up on my Twitter there listen I've put up on my Twitter account and I there's there's numerous account and I there's there's numerous account and I there's there's numerous times that I've made mistakes on Twitter times that I've made mistakes on Twitter times that I've made mistakes on Twitter and I apologize for it and I apologize for it and I apologize for it and people say to me you know oh that's and people say to me you know oh that's and people say to me you know oh that's weird I've never seen anybody apologize weird I've never seen anybody apologize weird I've never seen anybody apologize on Twitter and I think it's really on Twitter and I think it's really on Twitter and I think it's really important important important at the only of course human beings make at the only of course human beings make at the only of course human beings make mistakes my book is you know 230 or 40 mistakes my book is you know 230 or 40 mistakes my book is you know 230 or 40 50 000 words 50 000 words 50 000 words there's gonna be a mistake in there but there's gonna be a mistake in there but there's gonna be a mistake in there but you know what I say at the beginning of you know what I say at the beginning of you know what I say at the beginning of the book if you see a mistake in here the book if you see a mistake in here the book if you see a mistake in here please notify me I give a way that please notify me I give a way that please notify me I give a way that people can notify me people can notify me people can notify me and if somebody points out a mistake I'm and if somebody points out a mistake I'm and if somebody points out a mistake I'm going to change it I'm not going to dig going to change it I'm not going to dig going to change it I'm not going to dig my feet in and say you know I'm not my feet in and say you know I'm not my feet in and say you know I'm not going to acknowledge this going to acknowledge this going to acknowledge this so some of the things we've been talking so some of the things we've been talking so some of the things we've been talking about you've you've been uh an outspoken about you've you've been uh an outspoken about you've you've been uh an outspoken contrarian and some very controversial contrarian and some very controversial contrarian and some very controversial topics topics topics uh this has garnered uh this has garnered uh this has garnered some Fame and recognition in part for some Fame and recognition in part for some Fame and recognition in part for being attacked and standing strong being attacked and standing strong being attacked and standing strong against those attacks if I may say for against those attacks if I may say for against those attacks if I may say for being a martyr do you worry about the being a martyr do you worry about the being a martyr do you worry about the this drug of martyrdom that might Cloud this drug of martyrdom that might Cloud this drug of martyrdom that might Cloud your judgment first of all yeah I don't your judgment first of all yeah I don't your judgment first of all yeah I don't consider myself a moderator and I've

consider myself a moderator and I've consider myself a moderator and I've never considered myself a victim I make never considered myself a victim I make never considered myself a victim I make choices about my life and I you know and choices about my life and I you know and choices about my life and I you know and I'm I'm content with those choices and I'm I'm content with those choices and I'm I'm content with those choices and peaceful with them peaceful with them peaceful with them I'm not trying to be a martyr or a hero I'm not trying to be a martyr or a hero I'm not trying to be a martyr or a hero or anything else I'm doing what I think or anything else I'm doing what I think or anything else I'm doing what I think is right because I want to be peaceful is right because I want to be peaceful is right because I want to be peaceful inside of myself inside of myself inside of myself um but I the only guard I have is just um but I the only guard I have is just um but I the only guard I have is just is you know fact-based reality is you know fact-based reality is you know fact-based reality if you show me a scientific study if you show me a scientific study if you show me a scientific study that shows that I'm wrong for example if that shows that I'm wrong for example if that shows that I'm wrong for example if you come back and say look Bobby you come back and say look Bobby you come back and say look Bobby here's a polio here's a polio here's a polio um here's a safety study on polio that um here's a safety study on polio that um here's a safety study on polio that was done three licensure and used a real was done three licensure and used a real was done three licensure and used a real saline solution I'm going to put that on saline solution I'm going to put that on saline solution I'm going to put that on my Twitter and I'm going to say I was my Twitter and I'm going to say I was my Twitter and I'm going to say I was wrong wrong wrong there is one out there so you know but there is one out there so you know but there is one out there so you know but that's all I can do that's all I can do that's all I can do all right I have to ask you are in great all right I have to ask you are in great all right I have to ask you are in great shape can you uh go through your diet shape can you uh go through your diet shape can you uh go through your diet and exercise routine my um my um I do intermittent fasting so I eat I do intermittent fasting so I eat I do intermittent fasting so I eat between I start at my first meal at between I start at my first meal at between I start at my first meal at around noon around noon around noon and then I try to stop eating at six and then I try to stop eating at six and then I try to stop eating at six or seven or seven or seven and then um I I I hike every day and then um I I I hike every day and then um I I I hike every day morning evening in the morning morning evening in the morning morning evening in the morning I go to a meeting first thing in the I go to a meeting first thing in the I go to a meeting first thing in the morning 12's a meeting and then I go morning 12's a meeting and then I go morning 12's a meeting and then I go hike hurt and I hiked uphill for a mile

hike hurt and I hiked uphill for a mile hike hurt and I hiked uphill for a mile and a half up in a mile half down with and a half up in a mile half down with and a half up in a mile half down with my dogs and I do my meditations my dogs and I do my meditations my dogs and I do my meditations and then I go to the gym and I go to the and then I go to the gym and I go to the and then I go to the gym and I go to the gym for 35 minutes gym for 35 minutes gym for 35 minutes I don't I do it short time I've been I don't I do it short time I've been I don't I do it short time I've been exercising for 50 years exercising for 50 years exercising for 50 years and what I found is it's sustainable if and what I found is it's sustainable if and what I found is it's sustainable if you know if I do just the short periods you know if I do just the short periods you know if I do just the short periods and I do four different routines at the and I do four different routines at the and I do four different routines at the gym and I never relax at the gym I go in gym and I never relax at the gym I go in gym and I never relax at the gym I go in there and I have a very intense exercise there and I have a very intense exercise there and I have a very intense exercise and I live you know I mean I I could and I live you know I mean I I could and I live you know I mean I I could tell you what my routine is but I do tell you what my routine is but I do tell you what my routine is but I do I do backs one day back uh just one day I do backs one day back uh just one day I do backs one day back uh just one day legs and then a miscellaneous and I do legs and then a miscellaneous and I do legs and then a miscellaneous and I do 12 my first set of everything is is I 12 my first set of everything is is I 12 my first set of everything is is I try to I try to reach failure at 12 reps try to I try to reach failure at 12 reps try to I try to reach failure at 12 reps and then my fourth set of everything is and then my fourth set of everything is and then my fourth set of everything is a strip set a strip set a strip set um I do I take a lot of um um I do I take a lot of um um I do I take a lot of um vitamins I I can't even list them to you vitamins I I can't even list them to you vitamins I I can't even list them to you here because I you know I I couldn't here because I you know I I couldn't here because I you know I I couldn't even remember them all but I take a ton even remember them all but I take a ton even remember them all but I take a ton of vitamins and nutrients of vitamins and nutrients of vitamins and nutrients I'm on an anti-aging protocol from my I'm on an anti-aging protocol from my I'm on an anti-aging protocol from my doctor doctor doctor that includes uh uh that includes uh uh that includes uh uh um testosterone replacement um testosterone replacement um testosterone replacement and uh but I don't take any steroids I and uh but I don't take any steroids I and uh but I don't take any steroids I don't take any anabolic steroids or don't take any anabolic steroids or don't take any anabolic steroids or anything like that and the anything like that and the anything like that and the DRT I use is Is bioidentical to what my DRT I use is Is bioidentical to what my DRT I use is Is bioidentical to what my body produced what are your thoughts on body produced what are your thoughts on body produced what are your thoughts on hormone therapy in general

hormone therapy in general hormone therapy in general I've talked to a lot of doctors about I've talked to a lot of doctors about I've talked to a lot of doctors about that stuff you know because I'm that stuff you know because I'm that stuff you know because I'm interested in health interested in health interested in health and I you know I've heard really good and I you know I've heard really good and I you know I've heard really good things about it but I don't know I'm things about it but I don't know I'm things about it but I don't know I'm definitely not an expert on it definitely not an expert on it definitely not an expert on it about God you wrote God talks to human about God you wrote God talks to human about God you wrote God talks to human beings through many vectors wise people beings through many vectors wise people beings through many vectors wise people organize religion the great books of organize religion the great books of organize religion the great books of religions through ART music and poetry religions through ART music and poetry religions through ART music and poetry but nowhere with such detail and Grace but nowhere with such detail and Grace but nowhere with such detail and Grace and joy as through creation when we and joy as through creation when we and joy as through creation when we destroy nature we diminish our capacity destroy nature we diminish our capacity destroy nature we diminish our capacity to sense the Divine what is their to sense the Divine what is their to sense the Divine what is their relationship and what is your relationship and what is your relationship and what is your understanding of God who is God well I mean God is well I mean God is incomprehensible you know I mean I guess incomprehensible you know I mean I guess incomprehensible you know I mean I guess the the most philosophers would say the the most philosophers would say the the most philosophers would say we're in you know we're in you know we're in you know we're inside the mind of God oh man so we're inside the mind of God oh man so we're inside the mind of God oh man so it would be impossible for us Thunders it would be impossible for us Thunders it would be impossible for us Thunders and you know what actually what you know and you know what actually what you know and you know what actually what you know what God's form is or what God's form is or what God's form is or um but I mean for me I have a um but I mean for me I have a um but I mean for me I have a um um um let's say this I had when I was let's say this I had when I was let's say this I had when I was I was raised in a very very deeply I was raised in a very very deeply I was raised in a very very deeply religious setting religious setting religious setting so we went to a church in the summer so we went to a church in the summer so we went to a church in the summer often times twice a day often times twice a day often times twice a day good morning mass and we went to we good morning mass and we went to we good morning mass and we went to we definitely went every Sunday and we um definitely went every Sunday and we um definitely went every Sunday and we um and I went and I went and I went we prayed in the morning we prayed

we prayed in the morning we prayed we prayed in the morning we prayed before and after every meal we prayed at before and after every meal we prayed at before and after every meal we prayed at night we said a rosary sometimes three night we said a rosary sometimes three night we said a rosary sometimes three rosaries a night rosaries a night rosaries a night and my father read us the Bible and my father read us the Bible and my father read us the Bible um when whenever he was home he would um when whenever he was home he would um when whenever he was home he would read us you know we'd all get in the bed read us you know we'd all get in the bed read us you know we'd all get in the bed and he'd read us the Bible stories and he'd read us the Bible stories and he'd read us the Bible stories oh I and I went to Catholic schools I oh I and I went to Catholic schools I oh I and I went to Catholic schools I went to Jesuit schools I went to the went to Jesuit schools I went to the went to Jesuit schools I went to the nuns um and I went to a quaker school at nuns um and I went to a quaker school at nuns um and I went to a quaker school at one point one point one point when I I became a drug addict when I was when I I became a drug addict when I was when I I became a drug addict when I was about 15 years old about a year after my about 15 years old about a year after my about 15 years old about a year after my dad died and I was addicted to drugs for dad died and I was addicted to drugs for dad died and I was addicted to drugs for 14 years 14 years 14 years during that time when you're an addict during that time when you're an addict during that time when you're an addict you're living against conscience you're living against conscience you're living against conscience and when you're living and I never you and when you're living and I never you and when you're living and I never you know I was always trying to get off of know I was always trying to get off of know I was always trying to get off of drugs never able to but I never felt drugs never able to but I never felt drugs never able to but I never felt good about what I was doing good about what I was doing good about what I was doing and um and um and um and when you're living against and when you're living against and when you're living against conscience you kind of push God to the conscience you kind of push God to the conscience you kind of push God to the peripheries of your life so peripheries of your life so peripheries of your life so I'll call me he I'll call me he I'll call me he get receipts and get smaller get receipts and get smaller get receipts and get smaller um and then when I um and then when I um and then when I um um um when I got sober when I got sober when I got sober I knew that I knew that I knew that I had a couple of experiences one is I had a couple of experiences one is I had a couple of experiences one is that I had a friend of my brothers one that I had a friend of my brothers one that I had a friend of my brothers one of my brothers who died of this disease of my brothers who died of this disease of my brothers who died of this disease of addiction of addiction of addiction I had a good friend who had used to take I had a good friend who had used to take I had a good friend who had used to take drugs with us drugs with us drugs with us and he became a Mooney so he he became a and he became a Mooney so he he became a and he became a Mooney so he he became a follower of reverence young Moon

follower of reverence young Moon follower of reverence young Moon and he's at that point his compulsion he and he's at that point his compulsion he and he's at that point his compulsion he had the same kind of compulsion that I had the same kind of compulsion that I had the same kind of compulsion that I had and yet it was completely removed had and yet it was completely removed had and yet it was completely removed from him from him from him and so and he used to come and hang out and so and he used to come and hang out and so and he used to come and hang out with us with us with us but he would not want to take drugs even but he would not want to take drugs even but he would not want to take drugs even if I was taken right in front of him he if I was taken right in front of him he if I was taken right in front of him he was uh he was immune to it he'd become was uh he was immune to it he'd become was uh he was immune to it he'd become impervious that I impulse impervious that I impulse impervious that I impulse and um I when I was in the when I first and um I when I was in the when I first and um I when I was in the when I first got sober I was I knew that I did not got sober I was I knew that I did not got sober I was I knew that I did not want to be the kind of person who was want to be the kind of person who was want to be the kind of person who was you know waking up every day in white you know waking up every day in white you know waking up every day in white knuckling sobriety and just you know knuckling sobriety and just you know knuckling sobriety and just you know trying to resist through willpower and trying to resist through willpower and trying to resist through willpower and by the way by the way by the way I had I had I had um I had iron willpower as a kid I gave um I had iron willpower as a kid I gave um I had iron willpower as a kid I gave up candy for Len when I was 12 and I up candy for Len when I was 12 and I up candy for Len when I was 12 and I didn't need it again until I was in didn't need it again until I was in didn't need it again until I was in college college college I gave up um I gave up desserts the next I gave up um I gave up desserts the next I gave up um I gave up desserts the next year for Lent and I didn't never eat year for Lent and I didn't never eat year for Lent and I didn't never eat another dessert until I was in college another dessert until I was in college another dessert until I was in college and I was trying to bulk up for a rugby and I was trying to bulk up for a rugby and I was trying to bulk up for a rugby and for sports and for sports and for sports so so so um I felt like I could do anything with um I felt like I could do anything with um I felt like I could do anything with my willpower but somehow my willpower but somehow my willpower but somehow this particular thing you know the this particular thing you know the this particular thing you know the addiction addiction addiction was completely impervious to him and I was completely impervious to him and I was completely impervious to him and I it was cunning bathing baffling it was cunning bathing baffling it was cunning bathing baffling incomprehensible I could not understand incomprehensible I could not understand incomprehensible I could not understand why I couldn't just say no and then why I couldn't just say no and then why I couldn't just say no and then never do it again like I did with never do it again like I did with never do it again like I did with everything else everything else everything else um and um so I was living against um and um so I was living against um and um so I was living against conscience and I and I I thought about

conscience and I and I I thought about conscience and I and I I thought about this guy this guy this guy and I you know reflecting my own and I you know reflecting my own and I you know reflecting my own prejudices at that time in my life I was prejudices at that time in my life I was prejudices at that time in my life I was I said to myself I didn't want to be I I said to myself I didn't want to be I I said to myself I didn't want to be I didn't want to be like a drug addict who didn't want to be like a drug addict who didn't want to be like a drug addict who was wanting a drug all the time and just was wanting a drug all the time and just was wanting a drug all the time and just not being able to do it not being able to do it not being able to do it I wanted to completely realign my my I wanted to completely realign my my I wanted to completely realign my my myself myself myself so that I was somebody who got up every so that I was somebody who got up every so that I was somebody who got up every day and just didn't want to take drugs day and just didn't want to take drugs day and just didn't want to take drugs never thought of them you know I guess never thought of them you know I guess never thought of them you know I guess the wife and children and went to work the wife and children and went to work the wife and children and went to work and was never thought about drugs the and was never thought about drugs the and was never thought about drugs the whole day whole day whole day and I knew that people throughout and I knew that people throughout and I knew that people throughout history had done that you know I read history had done that you know I read history had done that you know I read the lives of the Saints I knew Saint the lives of the Saints I knew Saint the lives of the Saints I knew Saint Augustine had had a very very dissolute Augustine had had a very very dissolute Augustine had had a very very dissolute youth youth youth and and you know I had the spiritual and and you know I had the spiritual and and you know I had the spiritual realignment transformation I knew the realignment transformation I knew the realignment transformation I knew the same thing had happened to Saint Paul same thing had happened to Saint Paul same thing had happened to Saint Paul you know Damascus the same thing had you know Damascus the same thing had you know Damascus the same thing had happened in Saint Francis Saint Francis happened in Saint Francis Saint Francis happened in Saint Francis Saint Francis also had a also had a also had a at a dissolute and fun loving Youth and at a dissolute and fun loving Youth and at a dissolute and fun loving Youth and and had you know had this this deep and had you know had this this deep and had you know had this this deep spiritual realignment and I I knew that spiritual realignment and I I knew that spiritual realignment and I I knew that that happened to people throughout that happened to people throughout that happened to people throughout history history history and I thought that's what I needed you and I thought that's what I needed you and I thought that's what I needed you know something like that know something like that know something like that I had the example of this random mine I had the example of this random mine I had the example of this random mine and I used to think about him and I and I used to think about him and I and I used to think about him and I would think this again reflects the bias would think this again reflects the bias would think this again reflects the bias and the you know and the you know and the you know probably the meanness of myself at that probably the meanness of myself at that probably the meanness of myself at that time but I said I'd rather be dead than time but I said I'd rather be dead than time but I said I'd rather be dead than be a Mooney be a Mooney be a Mooney but I wish I somehow could distill but I wish I somehow could distill but I wish I somehow could distill that power that he got without becoming

that power that he got without becoming that power that he got without becoming a religious nuisance a religious nuisance a religious nuisance and um and at that time I picked up a and um and at that time I picked up a and um and at that time I picked up a book book book um by Carl Jung called synchronicity and um by Carl Jung called synchronicity and um by Carl Jung called synchronicity and Young Young Young he was a psychiatrist his contemporary he was a psychiatrist his contemporary he was a psychiatrist his contemporary of Freud's he was a I'm Freud was his of Freud's he was a I'm Freud was his of Freud's he was a I'm Freud was his mentor and and Freud wanted him to be mentor and and Freud wanted him to be mentor and and Freud wanted him to be his replacement but Freud was never out his replacement but Freud was never out his replacement but Freud was never out atheists atheists atheists and young was a deeply spiritual man he and young was a deeply spiritual man he and young was a deeply spiritual man he had these very intense and genuine had these very intense and genuine had these very intense and genuine spiritual experiences from when he was a spiritual experiences from when he was a spiritual experiences from when he was a little boy from at least three years old little boy from at least three years old little boy from at least three years old that he remembers biography is that he remembers biography is that he remembers biography is fascinating about him because he fascinating about him because he fascinating about him because he remembers him with such a detail remembers him with such a detail remembers him with such a detail and um he uh and um he uh and um he uh he was he had written he was always he he was he had written he was always he he was he had written he was always he was interested in me because he was very was interested in me because he was very was interested in me because he was very faithful scientists and I considered faithful scientists and I considered faithful scientists and I considered myself a science-based person from when myself a science-based person from when myself a science-based person from when I was little I was little I was little and yet he had this spiritual Dimension and yet he had this spiritual Dimension and yet he had this spiritual Dimension to him to him to him which infused all of his thinking and which infused all of his thinking and which infused all of his thinking and really I think made him you know it is really I think made him you know it is really I think made him you know it is branded his his form of of recovery or branded his his form of of recovery or branded his his form of of recovery or um of treatment um of treatment um of treatment and he thought that this experiment and he thought that this experiment and he thought that this experiment experience that he describes in this experience that he describes in this experience that he describes in this book book book where he's sitting up on the third and where he's sitting up on the third and where he's sitting up on the third and one of the biggest sanitariums in Europe one of the biggest sanitariums in Europe one of the biggest sanitariums in Europe in Zurich and he was sitting up on the in Zurich and he was sitting up on the in Zurich and he was sitting up on the third floor of this building third floor of this building third floor of this building and he's talking to a patient who had and he's talking to a patient who had and he's talking to a patient who had who was talking describing her dream to who was talking describing her dream to who was talking describing her dream to him him him and the fulcrum of that dream was a and the fulcrum of that dream was a and the fulcrum of that dream was a scarab beetle which was a insect that is

scarab beetle which was a insect that is scarab beetle which was a insect that is not is a very very uncommon if at all in not is a very very uncommon if at all in not is a very very uncommon if at all in northern Europe but it's a northern Europe but it's a northern Europe but it's a common figure in the iconography of of common figure in the iconography of of common figure in the iconography of of Egypt and the hieroglyphics on the on Egypt and the hieroglyphics on the on Egypt and the hieroglyphics on the on the walls of the pyramids Etc the walls of the pyramids Etc the walls of the pyramids Etc and um and um and um he and he while he was talking to her he he and he while he was talking to her he he and he while he was talking to her he heard this bing bing bing on the window heard this bing bing bing on the window heard this bing bing bing on the window behind him and he didn't want to turn behind him and he didn't want to turn behind him and he didn't want to turn around to take his attention off her but around to take his attention off her but around to take his attention off her but finally he does it he's in exasperation finally he does it he's in exasperation finally he does it he's in exasperation he turns around he throws up the window he turns around he throws up the window he turns around he throws up the window and a scarab beetle flies didn't lands and a scarab beetle flies didn't lands and a scarab beetle flies didn't lands in his head and he shows it to the woman in his head and he shows it to the woman in his head and he shows it to the woman and he says is this what you were and he says is this what you were and he says is this what you were thinking of is this what you were thinking of is this what you were thinking of is this what you were dreaming about and he he was struck by dreaming about and he he was struck by dreaming about and he he was struck by that experience experience which was that experience experience which was that experience experience which was similar to other experiences he's had similar to other experiences he's had similar to other experiences he's had like that and that's what synchronicity like that and that's what synchronicity like that and that's what synchronicity means it's a means it's a means it's a it's a an incident a coincidence you it's a an incident a coincidence you it's a an incident a coincidence you know and like if so if you're if you're know and like if so if you're if you're know and like if so if you're if you're talking with somebody about somebody talking with somebody about somebody talking with somebody about somebody that you haven't thought about in 20 that you haven't thought about in 20 that you haven't thought about in 20 years and that person calls on the phone years and that person calls on the phone years and that person calls on the phone that's synchronicity oh and he believed that's synchronicity oh and he believed that's synchronicity oh and he believed it was a way that God intervened in our it was a way that God intervened in our it was a way that God intervened in our lives that broke all the all the rules lives that broke all the all the rules lives that broke all the all the rules of nature that he had set up the rules of nature that he had set up the rules of nature that he had set up the rules of physics the rules of mathematics or of physics the rules of mathematics or of physics the rules of mathematics or you know to reach in and sort of tap us you know to reach in and sort of tap us you know to reach in and sort of tap us on their shoulder and say I'm here on their shoulder and say I'm here on their shoulder and say I'm here and um and so he tried to reproduce that and um and so he tried to reproduce that and um and so he tried to reproduce that in a clinical setting in a clinical setting in a clinical setting and he would put one guy in one room and and he would put one guy in one room and and he would put one guy in one room and another guy in another room and have another guy in another room and have another guy in another room and have them flip guards and then guess what the them flip guards and then guess what the them flip guards and then guess what the other guy had flipped other guy had flipped other guy had flipped and he believed that if he could beat

and he believed that if he could beat and he believed that if he could beat the laws of chance laws of mathematics the laws of chance laws of mathematics the laws of chance laws of mathematics and he would have prove the existence of and he would have prove the existence of and he would have prove the existence of a of an unnatural law a supernatural law a of an unnatural law a supernatural law a of an unnatural law a supernatural law and that was the first step to proving and that was the first step to proving and that was the first step to proving the existence of a god the existence of a god the existence of a god he never succeeds in doing it but he he never succeeds in doing it but he he never succeeds in doing it but he says in the book says in the book says in the book um even though I can't prove using um even though I can't prove using um even though I can't prove using empirical and scientific tools the empirical and scientific tools the empirical and scientific tools the existence of a god existence of a god existence of a god I can show through anecdotal evidence I can show through anecdotal evidence I can show through anecdotal evidence having seen thousands of patients come having seen thousands of patients come having seen thousands of patients come from this institution that people who from this institution that people who from this institution that people who believe in God get better faster and believe in God get better faster and believe in God get better faster and that the recovery is more enduring than that the recovery is more enduring than that the recovery is more enduring than people who don't people who don't people who don't and for me hearing that was more and for me hearing that was more and for me hearing that was more impactful than if he had claimed that he impactful than if he had claimed that he impactful than if he had claimed that he had proved the existence of a God had proved the existence of a God had proved the existence of a God because I would not believe that because I would not believe that because I would not believe that but I I was already at a mindset where I but I I was already at a mindset where I but I I was already at a mindset where I would have done anything I could would have done anything I could would have done anything I could to improve my chances of never having to to improve my chances of never having to to improve my chances of never having to take drugs again by even one percent and take drugs again by even one percent and take drugs again by even one percent and if believing in God if believing in God if believing in God was gonna help me whether there's a God was gonna help me whether there's a God was gonna help me whether there's a God up there or not believing in one itself up there or not believing in one itself up there or not believing in one itself had the power to help me I was going to had the power to help me I was going to had the power to help me I was going to do that so then the question is how do do that so then the question is how do do that so then the question is how do you start believing in something that you start believing in something that you start believing in something that you can't see or smell or hear or touch you can't see or smell or hear or touch you can't see or smell or hear or touch or taste or acquire with your senses or taste or acquire with your senses or taste or acquire with your senses and young provides the formula for that and young provides the formula for that and young provides the formula for that and he says he says act as if he fake it and he says he says act as if he fake it and he says he says act as if he fake it to you again to you again to you again and so that's you know what I started and so that's you know what I started and so that's you know what I started doing I just started pretending there doing I just started pretending there doing I just started pretending there was a god watching me all the time and was a god watching me all the time and was a god watching me all the time and kind of kind of kind of life was a series of deaths and each life was a series of deaths and each life was a series of deaths and each there was a bunch of moral decisions there was a bunch of moral decisions there was a bunch of moral decisions that I had to make every day and each

that I had to make every day and each that I had to make every day and each one one one you know these were all just little you know these were all just little you know these were all just little things that I did but each one now for things that I did but each one now for things that I did but each one now for me had a moral Dimension like when I um me had a moral Dimension like when I um me had a moral Dimension like when I um you know when the alarm goes off do I you know when the alarm goes off do I you know when the alarm goes off do I lay in bed for an extra 10 minutes with lay in bed for an extra 10 minutes with lay in bed for an extra 10 minutes with my insulin thoughts or do I jump right my insulin thoughts or do I jump right my insulin thoughts or do I jump right out of bed out of bed out of bed do I how do I make my bed most important do I how do I make my bed most important do I how do I make my bed most important decision of the day do I hang up the decision of the day do I hang up the decision of the day do I hang up the towels you know do I um do I when I go towels you know do I um do I when I go towels you know do I um do I when I go into the closet and pull out my blue into the closet and pull out my blue into the closet and pull out my blue jeans and a bunch of those wire hangers jeans and a bunch of those wire hangers jeans and a bunch of those wire hangers fall on the ground do I shut the door fall on the ground do I shut the door fall on the ground do I shut the door and say I'm too much I'm too important and say I'm too much I'm too important and say I'm too much I'm too important to do that that's somebody else's job or to do that that's somebody else's job or to do that that's somebody else's job or not and so not and so not and so I do I put the water in the ice tray I do I put the water in the ice tray I do I put the water in the ice tray before I put in the freezer do I put the before I put in the freezer do I put the before I put in the freezer do I put the shopping cart back in the you know place shopping cart back in the you know place shopping cart back in the you know place and then it's supposed to go in the and then it's supposed to go in the and then it's supposed to go in the parking lot of the Safeway parking lot of the Safeway parking lot of the Safeway and if I make a whole bunch of those and if I make a whole bunch of those and if I make a whole bunch of those choices right choices right choices right that that that um I maintain myself in a posture of um I maintain myself in a posture of um I maintain myself in a posture of surrender which keeps me open to the surrender which keeps me open to the surrender which keeps me open to the power of to my higher power my to my God power of to my higher power my to my God power of to my higher power my to my God and when that when I do those things and when that when I do those things and when that when I do those things right right right um when I you know so much about um when I you know so much about um when I you know so much about addiction is about abuse of power abuse addiction is about abuse of power abuse addiction is about abuse of power abuse of of of all of us have some power whether it's all of us have some power whether it's all of us have some power whether it's our you know good looks or whether it's our you know good looks or whether it's our you know good looks or whether it's uh uh uh you know connections or education or or you know connections or education or or you know connections or education or or family or whatever family or whatever family or whatever and there's always attempts a temptation and there's always attempts a temptation and there's always attempts a temptation to use those to fill fulfill self-will

to use those to fill fulfill self-will to use those to fill fulfill self-will and the challenge is how do you use and the challenge is how do you use and the challenge is how do you use those always to serve instead God's will those always to serve instead God's will those always to serve instead God's will and you know the good of our community and you know the good of our community and you know the good of our community and that and that and that to me is kind of the struggle and but to me is kind of the struggle and but to me is kind of the struggle and but when I do that when I do that when I do that I feel I feel God's power coming through I feel I feel God's power coming through I feel I feel God's power coming through me and that I can do things I'm much me and that I can do things I'm much me and that I can do things I'm much more effective as a human being more effective as a human being more effective as a human being that that gnawing you know uh anxiety that that gnawing you know uh anxiety that that gnawing you know uh anxiety that I lived with for so many years and that I lived with for so many years and that I lived with for so many years and my God that I it's gone my God that I it's gone my God that I it's gone and that um I can kind of like and that um I can kind of like and that um I can kind of like put down the oars and always the sail put down the oars and always the sail put down the oars and always the sail and you know and the wind takes me and I and you know and the wind takes me and I and you know and the wind takes me and I can I can see the evidence of it in my can I can see the evidence of it in my can I can see the evidence of it in my life life life and you know the big thing for you know and you know the big thing for you know and you know the big thing for you know the Temptation for me is that the Temptation for me is that the Temptation for me is that um um um when all these good things start when all these good things start when all these good things start happening in my life and the cash and happening in my life and the cash and happening in my life and the cash and prizes start flowing in prizes start flowing in prizes start flowing in you know how do I maintain that posture you know how do I maintain that posture you know how do I maintain that posture of surrender how do I Surrender then of surrender how do I Surrender then of surrender how do I Surrender then when on my inclination is to say to God when on my inclination is to say to God when on my inclination is to say to God thanks God I got it from here yeah and thanks God I got it from here yeah and thanks God I got it from here yeah and drive the car off the cliff again and uh drive the car off the cliff again and uh drive the car off the cliff again and uh so you know I had a spiritual awakening so you know I had a spiritual awakening so you know I had a spiritual awakening and my desire for drugs and alcohol was and my desire for drugs and alcohol was and my desire for drugs and alcohol was lifted miraculously lifted miraculously lifted miraculously uh and it to me it was as much a miracle uh and it to me it was as much a miracle uh and it to me it was as much a miracle as if I had if I'd been able to walk on as if I had if I'd been able to walk on as if I had if I'd been able to walk on water because I had tried everything water because I had tried everything water because I had tried everything earnestly sincerely and honestly for a earnestly sincerely and honestly for a earnestly sincerely and honestly for a decade to try to stop and I could not do

decade to try to stop and I could not do decade to try to stop and I could not do it under my own power and then all of a it under my own power and then all of a it under my own power and then all of a sudden it was lifted effortlessly and um sudden it was lifted effortlessly and um sudden it was lifted effortlessly and um you know so I saw that evidence you know so I saw that evidence you know so I saw that evidence early evidence of God in my life and I'm early evidence of God in my life and I'm early evidence of God in my life and I'm of the power of the power of the power and um and I see it now you know every and um and I see it now you know every and um and I see it now you know every day of my life day of my life day of my life so adding that moral Dimension to all of so adding that moral Dimension to all of so adding that moral Dimension to all of your actions is how you were able to win your actions is how you were able to win your actions is how you were able to win that kamu battle against the Absurd uh that kamu battle against the Absurd uh that kamu battle against the Absurd uh it's all the same thing it's the battle it's all the same thing it's the battle it's all the same thing it's the battle to just to do the right thing and now it to just to do the right thing and now it to just to do the right thing and now it says if this was able to find somehow says if this was able to find somehow says if this was able to find somehow happiness yeah happiness yeah happiness yeah uh well Bobby thank you for the stroll uh well Bobby thank you for the stroll uh well Bobby thank you for the stroll through some of the most important through some of the most important through some of the most important moments in in recent human history and moments in in recent human history and moments in in recent human history and for running for president and for running for president and for running for president and um thank you for talking today thank you um thank you for talking today thank you um thank you for talking today thank you Lex Lex Lex thanks for listening to this thanks for listening to this thanks for listening to this conversation with Robert F Kennedy Jr to conversation with Robert F Kennedy Jr to conversation with Robert F Kennedy Jr to support this podcast please check out support this podcast please check out support this podcast please check out our sponsors in the description and now our sponsors in the description and now our sponsors in the description and now let me leave you with some words from let me leave you with some words from let me leave you with some words from John F Kennedy let us not seek the John F Kennedy let us not seek the John F Kennedy let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic Republican answer or the Democratic Republican answer or the Democratic answer but the right answer let us not answer but the right answer let us not answer but the right answer let us not seek to fix the blame for the past seek to fix the blame for the past seek to fix the blame for the past instead let us accept our own instead let us accept our own instead let us accept our own responsibility for the future responsibility for the future responsibility for the future thank you for listening and hope to see thank you for listening and hope to see thank you for listening and hope to see you next time