Pieter Levels: Programming, Viral AI Startups, and Digital Nomad Life | Lex Fridman Podcast #440

so I was trying to figure out how to do so I was trying to figure out how to do photo realistic AI photos and it was photo realistic AI photos and it was photo realistic AI photos and it was stabil diffusion by itself is not doing stabil diffusion by itself is not doing stabil diffusion by itself is not doing that well like the faces look all that well like the faces look all that well like the faces look all mangled y um and it doesn't have enough mangled y um and it doesn't have enough mangled y um and it doesn't have enough resolution or something to to do that resolution or something to to do that resolution or something to to do that well so but I started seeing these these well so but I started seeing these these well so but I started seeing these these um base models These Fine tun models and um base models These Fine tun models and um base models These Fine tun models and people were training on porn and I would people were training on porn and I would people were training on porn and I would try them and they would be very try them and they would be very try them and they would be very photorealistic they would have bodies photorealistic they would have bodies photorealistic they would have bodies that actually made sense like body uh that actually made sense like body uh that actually made sense like body uh Anatomy um but if you look at the Anatomy um but if you look at the Anatomy um but if you look at the photorealistic models that people use photorealistic models that people use photorealistic models that people use now still there's still core porn there now still there's still core porn there now still there's still core porn there like of naked people so I need to prompt like of naked people so I need to prompt like of naked people so I need to prompt out the nak and everybody needs to do out the nak and everybody needs to do out the nak and everybody needs to do this with AI startups with imaging you this with AI startups with imaging you this with AI startups with imaging you need to prompt out the naked stuff you need to prompt out the naked stuff you need to prompt out the naked stuff you have to keep reminding the model you have to keep reminding the model you have to keep reminding the model you need to put clothes on yeah don't put need to put clothes on yeah don't put need to put clothes on yeah don't put naked because it's very risky I have naked because it's very risky I have naked because it's very risky I have Google Vision that checks every photo Google Vision that checks every photo Google Vision that checks every photo before it's shown to the user to like before it's shown to the user to like before it's shown to the user to like check detor oh nfw detector because you check detor oh nfw detector because you check detor oh nfw detector because you get the journalists get very get the journalists get very get the journalists get very angry the following is a conversation angry the following is a conversation angry the following is a conversation with Peter levels also known on X as with Peter levels also known on X as with Peter levels also known on X as levels IO he is a self-taught developer levels IO he is a self-taught developer levels IO he is a self-taught developer and entrepreneur who designed programmed and entrepreneur who designed programmed and entrepreneur who designed programmed shipped and ran over 40 startups many of shipped and ran over 40 startups many of shipped and ran over 40 startups many of which are hugely successful in most which are hugely successful in most which are hugely successful in most cases he did it all by himself while cases he did it all by himself while cases he did it all by himself while living the digital Nomad life in over 40 living the digital Nomad life in over 40 living the digital Nomad life in over 40 countries and over 150 cities countries and over 150 cities countries and over 150 cities programming on a laptop while chilling programming on a laptop while chilling programming on a laptop while chilling on a couch using vanilla HTML jQuery PHP on a couch using vanilla HTML jQuery PHP on a couch using vanilla HTML jQuery PHP and SQL light he builds and ships and SQL light he builds and ships and SQL light he builds and ships quickly and improves on the fly all in

quickly and improves on the fly all in quickly and improves on the fly all in the open documenting his work both his the open documenting his work both his the open documenting his work both his successes and failures with a raw successes and failures with a raw successes and failures with a raw honesty of a true Indie hacker Peter is honesty of a true Indie hacker Peter is honesty of a true Indie hacker Peter is an inspiration to a huge number of an inspiration to a huge number of an inspiration to a huge number of developers and entrepreneurs who love developers and entrepreneurs who love developers and entrepreneurs who love creating cool things in the world that creating cool things in the world that creating cool things in the world that are hopefully useful for people this was are hopefully useful for people this was are hopefully useful for people this was an honor and a pleasure for me this is an honor and a pleasure for me this is an honor and a pleasure for me this is Alex Freedman podcast to support it Alex Freedman podcast to support it Alex Freedman podcast to support it please check out our sponsors in the please check out our sponsors in the please check out our sponsors in the description and now dear friends here's description and now dear friends here's description and now dear friends here's Peter Peter Peter levels you've launched a lot of levels you've launched a lot of levels you've launched a lot of companies and built a lot of products as companies and built a lot of products as companies and built a lot of products as you say most failed but some succeeded you say most failed but some succeeded you say most failed but some succeeded what's your philosophy behind building what's your philosophy behind building what's your philosophy behind building the startups that you did I think my the startups that you did I think my the startups that you did I think my philosophy is very different than most philosophy is very different than most philosophy is very different than most people in startups because most people people in startups because most people people in startups because most people in startups they they build a company in startups they they build a company in startups they they build a company and they raise money right and they hire and they raise money right and they hire and they raise money right and they hire people and then they build a product and people and then they build a product and people and then they build a product and they find something that makes money and they find something that makes money and they find something that makes money and I don't really raise money I don't use I don't really raise money I don't use I don't really raise money I don't use VC funding I do everything myself I'm VC funding I do everything myself I'm VC funding I do everything myself I'm designer I'm the developer I make designer I'm the developer I make designer I'm the developer I make everything I make the logo so for me I'm everything I make the logo so for me I'm everything I make the logo so for me I'm much more Scrappy and and because I much more Scrappy and and because I much more Scrappy and and because I don't have funding like I need to I need don't have funding like I need to I need don't have funding like I need to I need to go fast I need to make things fast uh to go fast I need to make things fast uh to go fast I need to make things fast uh to see if an ID works right I have an to see if an ID works right I have an to see if an ID works right I have an IDE in my mind and I build it build it IDE in my mind and I build it build it IDE in my mind and I build it build it like a mro mini startup um and I launch like a mro mini startup um and I launch like a mro mini startup um and I launch it very quickly like within you know two it very quickly like within you know two it very quickly like within you know two weeks or something of building it and I weeks or something of building it and I weeks or something of building it and I check if there's demand if people check if there's demand if people check if there's demand if people actually sign up and not just sign up actually sign up and not just sign up actually sign up and not just sign up but if people actually pay money right but if people actually pay money right but if people actually pay money right like they need to take out their credit like they need to take out their credit like they need to take out their credit cards pay me money and then I can can cards pay me money and then I can can cards pay me money and then I can can see if the idea is validated and most see if the idea is validated and most see if the idea is validated and most ideas don't work like as you say most

ideas don't work like as you say most ideas don't work like as you say most feel so there's this rapid iterative feel so there's this rapid iterative feel so there's this rapid iterative phase where you just build a prototype phase where you just build a prototype phase where you just build a prototype that works launch it yeah see if people that works launch it yeah see if people that works launch it yeah see if people like it improving it really really like it improving it really really like it improving it really really quickly to see if people like it a quickly to see if people like it a quickly to see if people like it a little bit more enough to pay and all little bit more enough to pay and all little bit more enough to pay and all that that that whole rapid process is that that that whole rapid process is that that that whole rapid process is how you think of I think it's it's like how you think of I think it's it's like how you think of I think it's it's like it's very rapid and it's like um if I it's very rapid and it's like um if I it's very rapid and it's like um if I compare to for example Google you know compare to for example Google you know compare to for example Google you know like our big tech companies especially like our big tech companies especially like our big tech companies especially Google right now is kind of struggling Google right now is kind of struggling Google right now is kind of struggling like they made like Transformers they like they made like Transformers they like they made like Transformers they made all they invented all the AI stuff made all they invented all the AI stuff made all they invented all the AI stuff years ago and they never really shipped years ago and they never really shipped years ago and they never really shipped like they could have shipped jet gbt for like they could have shipped jet gbt for like they could have shipped jet gbt for example I think I heard in 2019 and they example I think I heard in 2019 and they example I think I heard in 2019 and they never shipped it because they were so never shipped it because they were so never shipped it because they were so stuck in bureaucracy but they had stuck in bureaucracy but they had stuck in bureaucracy but they had everything they had the data they had everything they had the data they had everything they had the data they had the tech they had the engineers and they the tech they had the engineers and they the tech they had the engineers and they could Didn't Do It um and it's because could Didn't Do It um and it's because could Didn't Do It um and it's because these big organizations it's it it can these big organizations it's it it can these big organizations it's it it can make you very slow so being alone by make you very slow so being alone by make you very slow so being alone by myself on my laptop like you know in my myself on my laptop like you know in my myself on my laptop like you know in my underwear in a hotel room or something I underwear in a hotel room or something I underwear in a hotel room or something I can ship very fast and I don't need to can ship very fast and I don't need to can ship very fast and I don't need to like I don't need to ask like legal for like I don't need to ask like legal for like I don't need to ask like legal for like oh can you vouch for this you know like oh can you vouch for this you know like oh can you vouch for this you know I can just go and ship you always code I can just go and ship you always code I can just go and ship you always code in your underwear the your profile in your underwear the your profile in your underwear the your profile picture you're like slouching a couch picture you're like slouching a couch picture you're like slouching a couch and your underwear chilling a laptop no and your underwear chilling a laptop no and your underwear chilling a laptop no no but it's I do wear like shorts a lot no but it's I do wear like shorts a lot no but it's I do wear like shorts a lot and I I usually just wear shorts and no and I I usually just wear shorts and no and I I usually just wear shorts and no T-shirt cuz I'm always too hot like I'm T-shirt cuz I'm always too hot like I'm T-shirt cuz I'm always too hot like I'm always overheating thank you for showing always overheating thank you for showing always overheating thank you for showing up not just in your underwear but up not just in your underwear but up not just in your underwear but wearing shorts I know you know I still wearing shorts I know you know I still wearing shorts I know you know I still wearing this for you but thank you um wearing this for you but thank you um wearing this for you but thank you um thank you for dressing up I think it's thank you for dressing up I think it's thank you for dressing up I think it's cuz I since I go to the gym I'm always cuz I since I go to the gym I'm always cuz I since I go to the gym I'm always too hot what's your favorite EX in the too hot what's your favorite EX in the too hot what's your favorite EX in the gym man over press over press like like gym man over press over press like like gym man over press over press like like shoulder press yeah okay but it feels shoulder press yeah okay but it feels shoulder press yeah okay but it feels good cuz you're doing like you do you good cuz you're doing like you do you good cuz you're doing like you do you win cuz when you what is it I do 60

win cuz when you what is it I do 60 win cuz when you what is it I do 60 kilos so it's like 120 lbs or something kilos so it's like 120 lbs or something kilos so it's like 120 lbs or something like it's it's it's my only thing I can like it's it's it's my only thing I can like it's it's it's my only thing I can do well you know in the gym and you do well you know in the gym and you do well you know in the gym and you stand like this and you're like I did it stand like this and you're like I did it stand like this and you're like I did it you know like a winner pose yeah Victory you know like a winner pose yeah Victory you know like a winner pose yeah Victory pose uh I do bench press squads pose uh I do bench press squads pose uh I do bench press squads deadlift hence the uh the mug yeah deadlift hence the uh the mug yeah deadlift hence the uh the mug yeah talking to my therapist it's a deadlift talking to my therapist it's a deadlift talking to my therapist it's a deadlift yeah because it acts like therapy for me yeah because it acts like therapy for me yeah because it acts like therapy for me you know yeah yeah it is which is you know yeah yeah it is which is you know yeah yeah it is which is controversial to say like if I say this controversial to say like if I say this controversial to say like if I say this on Twitter people get angry physical on Twitter people get angry physical on Twitter people get angry physical hardship is a kind of therapy yeah I hardship is a kind of therapy yeah I hardship is a kind of therapy yeah I just rewatched uh Happy People year in just rewatched uh Happy People year in just rewatched uh Happy People year in the tiger that Warner Herzog film where the tiger that Warner Herzog film where the tiger that Warner Herzog film where they they they document people that are doing trapping document people that are doing trapping document people that are doing trapping they're essentially just working for they're essentially just working for they're essentially just working for survival in the wilderness year round survival in the wilderness year round survival in the wilderness year round yeah and there's a deep happiness to yeah and there's a deep happiness to yeah and there's a deep happiness to their way of life because they're so their way of life because they're so their way of life because they're so busy in it in nature yeah 100% like busy in it in nature yeah 100% like busy in it in nature yeah 100% like there's something about that physical there's something about that physical there's something about that physical physical yeah toil yeah my dad taught me physical yeah toil yeah my dad taught me physical yeah toil yeah my dad taught me that my dad always do does like that my dad always do does like that my dad always do does like Construction in the house like he's Construction in the house like he's Construction in the house like he's always re renovating the house he breaks always re renovating the house he breaks always re renovating the house he breaks through one room and then he goes to the through one room and then he goes to the through one room and then he goes to the next room and he's just going in a next room and he's just going in a next room and he's just going in a circle around the house for like the circle around the house for like the circle around the house for like the last 40 years so but so he's always last 40 years so but so he's always last 40 years so but so he's always doing construction the house and it's doing construction the house and it's doing construction the house and it's his Hobby and he like he taught me when his Hobby and he like he taught me when his Hobby and he like he taught me when when I'm depressed or something um he when I'm depressed or something um he when I'm depressed or something um he says like get a big like what do you says like get a big like what do you says like get a big like what do you call like a big uh mountain of sand or call like a big uh mountain of sand or call like a big uh mountain of sand or something from construction just get a something from construction just get a something from construction just get a shovel and uh bring it to the other side shovel and uh bring it to the other side shovel and uh bring it to the other side and just you know do like physical labor and just you know do like physical labor and just you know do like physical labor do like hard work and do something like do like hard work and do something like do like hard work and do something like get set a goal do something and I I kind get set a goal do something and I I kind get set a goal do something and I I kind of did that with startups too yeah of did that with startups too yeah of did that with startups too yeah construction is not about the construction is not about the construction is not about the destination man it's about the journey

destination man it's about the journey destination man it's about the journey yeah yeah sometimes I wonder people who yeah yeah sometimes I wonder people who yeah yeah sometimes I wonder people who are always remodeling their house is it are always remodeling their house is it are always remodeling their house is it really about the remodeling or is it's really about the remodeling or is it's really about the remodeling or is it's not is it about the project Journey the not is it about the project Journey the not is it about the project Journey the puzzle of it no he doesn't care about puzzle of it no he doesn't care about puzzle of it no he doesn't care about the results well he shows me he's like the results well he shows me he's like the results well he shows me he's like it's amazing I'm like yeah it's amazing it's amazing I'm like yeah it's amazing it's amazing I'm like yeah it's amazing but um then he wants to go to the next but um then he wants to go to the next but um then he wants to go to the next room you know but I think it's very room you know but I think it's very room you know but I think it's very metaphorical for work cuz I also I never metaphorical for work cuz I also I never metaphorical for work cuz I also I never stop work I go to the next website or I stop work I go to the next website or I stop work I go to the next website or I make a new one right or I make a new make a new one right or I make a new make a new one right or I make a new startup so I'm always like like give you startup so I'm always like like give you startup so I'm always like like give you something to wake up in the morning and something to wake up in the morning and something to wake up in the morning and like you know have coffee and then uh like you know have coffee and then uh like you know have coffee and then uh kiss your girlfriend and then you have kiss your girlfriend and then you have kiss your girlfriend and then you have like a goal not today I'm going to fix like a goal not today I'm going to fix like a goal not today I'm going to fix this feature or today I'm going to fix this feature or today I'm going to fix this feature or today I'm going to fix this bog or something I'm going to do this bog or something I'm going to do this bog or something I'm going to do something you have something to wake up something you have something to wake up something you have something to wake up to you know and I think um maybe to you know and I think um maybe to you know and I think um maybe especially as a man also women but you especially as a man also women but you especially as a man also women but you need you need a hard work you know you need you need a hard work you know you need you need a hard work you know you need like an Endeavor I think how much need like an Endeavor I think how much need like an Endeavor I think how much of the building that you do is about of the building that you do is about of the building that you do is about money how much is it about just a deep money how much is it about just a deep money how much is it about just a deep internal happiness it's about fun cuz I internal happiness it's about fun cuz I internal happiness it's about fun cuz I was cuz I was doing it when I didn't was cuz I was doing it when I didn't was cuz I was doing it when I didn't make money right that's the point so I make money right that's the point so I make money right that's the point so I was always coding I was always I was was always coding I was always I was was always coding I was always I was making music I made electronic music making music I made electronic music making music I made electronic music drama based music like 20 years ago and drama based music like 20 years ago and drama based music like 20 years ago and I was always making stuff so I think a I was always making stuff so I think a I was always making stuff so I think a creative expression is like a meaningful creative expression is like a meaningful creative expression is like a meaningful work that's so important it's so fun work that's so important it's so fun work that's so important it's so fun it's so fun to have like a daily it's so fun to have like a daily it's so fun to have like a daily challenge where you try figure stuff out challenge where you try figure stuff out challenge where you try figure stuff out but but the interesting thing is you but but the interesting thing is you but but the interesting thing is you built a lot of successful products and built a lot of successful products and built a lot of successful products and you never really wanted to take it to you never really wanted to take it to you never really wanted to take it to that level where you scale real big that level where you scale real big that level where you scale real big andell it to aan something like this andell it to aan something like this andell it to aan something like this yeah the problem is I don't dictate that yeah the problem is I don't dictate that yeah the problem is I don't dictate that right like if more people start using IF right like if more people start using IF right like if more people start using IF Millions people s start using it and it

Millions people s start using it and it Millions people s start using it and it becomes big um I'm not going to say oh becomes big um I'm not going to say oh becomes big um I'm not going to say oh stop signing up to my website and pay me stop signing up to my website and pay me stop signing up to my website and pay me money but I never raised funding for it money but I never raised funding for it money but I never raised funding for it and I think because I don't like this and I think because I don't like this and I think because I don't like this the stressful life that comes with it the stressful life that comes with it the stressful life that comes with it like I have a lot of um founder friends like I have a lot of um founder friends like I have a lot of um founder friends and they tell me secretly like with and they tell me secretly like with and they tell me secretly like with hundreds of millions of dollars in hundreds of millions of dollars in hundreds of millions of dollars in funding and stuff and they they tell me funding and stuff and they they tell me funding and stuff and they they tell me like next time if I'm going to do it I'm like next time if I'm going to do it I'm like next time if I'm going to do it I'm going to do it like you going to do it like you going to do it like you because it's more it's more fun it's because it's more it's more fun it's because it's more it's more fun it's more Indie it's more chill it's more more Indie it's more chill it's more more Indie it's more chill it's more creative they don't like this they don't creative they don't like this they don't creative they don't like this they don't like to be manager right you become like like to be manager right you become like like to be manager right you become like a CEO you become a manager and um I a CEO you become a manager and um I a CEO you become a manager and um I think a lot of people that start think a lot of people that start think a lot of people that start startups when they become a CEO they startups when they become a CEO they startups when they become a CEO they don't like that job actually but they don't like that job actually but they don't like that job actually but they can't really exit it you know but they can't really exit it you know but they can't really exit it you know but they like to do the ground work the coding so like to do the ground work the coding so like to do the ground work the coding so I think that keeps you happy like doing I think that keeps you happy like doing I think that keeps you happy like doing something creative yeah it's interesting something creative yeah it's interesting something creative yeah it's interesting how people are pulled towards that to how people are pulled towards that to how people are pulled towards that to scale to go really big and you don't scale to go really big and you don't scale to go really big and you don't have that honest reflection with have that honest reflection with have that honest reflection with yourself like what actually makes you yourself like what actually makes you yourself like what actually makes you happy because for a lot of great happy because for a lot of great happy because for a lot of great Engineers what makes them happy is the Engineers what makes them happy is the Engineers what makes them happy is the building the the quote unquote building the the quote unquote building the the quote unquote individual contributor like where you're individual contributor like where you're individual contributor like where you're actually still coding or you're actually actually still coding or you're actually actually still coding or you're actually still building and they let go of that still building and they let go of that still building and they let go of that and then they become unhappy um but some and then they become unhappy um but some and then they become unhappy um but some of that is the sacrifice needed to have of that is the sacrifice needed to have of that is the sacrifice needed to have a impact of scale if you truly believe a impact of scale if you truly believe a impact of scale if you truly believe in a thing you're doing but like look at in a thing you're doing but like look at in a thing you're doing but like look at Elon he's doing things million times Elon he's doing things million times Elon he's doing things million times bigger than me right and bigger than me right and bigger than me right and um would I want to do that I don't know um would I want to do that I don't know um would I want to do that I don't know you can really choose these things right you can really choose these things right you can really choose these things right but I really respect that I think elon's but I really respect that I think elon's but I really respect that I think elon's very different from VC Founders right VC

very different from VC Founders right VC very different from VC Founders right VC start it's like software there's a lot start it's like software there's a lot start it's like software there's a lot of bullshit in this world I think of bullshit in this world I think of bullshit in this world I think there's a lot of like dodgy Finance there's a lot of like dodgy Finance there's a lot of like dodgy Finance stuff happening there I think um and I stuff happening there I think um and I stuff happening there I think um and I never have like concrete evidence about never have like concrete evidence about never have like concrete evidence about it but your gut tells you something's it but your gut tells you something's it but your gut tells you something's going on with like companies getting going on with like companies getting going on with like companies getting sold to friends and VCS and then they do sold to friends and VCS and then they do sold to friends and VCS and then they do reciprocity and this Shady Financial reciprocity and this Shady Financial reciprocity and this Shady Financial dealings with Elon does not he's just dealings with Elon does not he's just dealings with Elon does not he's just raising money from investors and he's raising money from investors and he's raising money from investors and he's actually building stuff with he needs actually building stuff with he needs actually building stuff with he needs the money to build stuff you know hard the money to build stuff you know hard the money to build stuff you know hard Hardware stuff um and that I really Hardware stuff um and that I really Hardware stuff um and that I really respect you said that there's been a few respect you said that there's been a few respect you said that there's been a few low points in your life you've been low points in your life you've been low points in your life you've been depressed and the building is one of the depressed and the building is one of the depressed and the building is one of the ways you you get out of that but can you ways you you get out of that but can you ways you you get out of that but can you talk to that can you take me to that talk to that can you take me to that talk to that can you take me to that place to that time when you were in at a place to that time when you were in at a place to that time when you were in at a low point so I was in Holland and I low point so I was in Holland and I low point so I was in Holland and I graduated University and I didn't want graduated University and I didn't want graduated University and I didn't want to like get a normal job and I was to like get a normal job and I was to like get a normal job and I was making some money with YouTube because I making some money with YouTube because I making some money with YouTube because I had this music career and I uploaded my had this music career and I uploaded my had this music career and I uploaded my music to YouTube and YouTube started music to YouTube and YouTube started music to YouTube and YouTube started paying me like uh with AdSense like paying me like uh with AdSense like paying me like uh with AdSense like $22,000 a month $2,000 up and all my $22,000 a month $2,000 up and all my $22,000 a month $2,000 up and all my friends got like normal jobs and we friends got like normal jobs and we friends got like normal jobs and we stopped hanging out cuz people would stopped hanging out cuz people would stopped hanging out cuz people would like in University hang out you know you like in University hang out you know you like in University hang out you know you chill each other's houses uh you go chill each other's houses uh you go chill each other's houses uh you go party but when people get jobs they only party but when people get jobs they only party but when people get jobs they only party like in the weekend and they don't party like in the weekend and they don't party like in the weekend and they don't hang anymore in the week because you hang anymore in the week because you hang anymore in the week because you need to be at the office and I was like need to be at the office and I was like need to be at the office and I was like this is not for me I want to do this is not for me I want to do this is not for me I want to do something else and I was starting something else and I was starting something else and I was starting getting this like I think it's like getting this like I think it's like getting this like I think it's like Saturn return this you know when you're Saturn return this you know when you're Saturn return this you know when you're turn 27 it's like some concept where turn 27 it's like some concept where turn 27 it's like some concept where Saturn returns to the same place in the Saturn returns to the same place in the Saturn returns to the same place in the orbit that it was when you're born I'm orbit that it was when you're born I'm orbit that it was when you're born I'm learning some it's some astrology thing learning some it's some astrology thing learning some it's some astrology thing you know so many truly special artists you know so many truly special artists you know so many truly special artists died when they were 27 exactly sum of 27 died when they were 27 exactly sum of 27 died when they were 27 exactly sum of 27 man and it was for me like I started

man and it was for me like I started man and it was for me like I started going crazy because I didn't really see going crazy because I didn't really see going crazy because I didn't really see like my future in Holland buying a house like my future in Holland buying a house like my future in Holland buying a house going living in the suburbs and stuff so going living in the suburbs and stuff so going living in the suburbs and stuff so it flew out I went to Asia started it flew out I went to Asia started it flew out I went to Asia started digital nomading and did that for a year digital nomading and did that for a year digital nomading and did that for a year and then that made me feel even worse and then that made me feel even worse and then that made me feel even worse you know CU I was like Alone um in hotel you know CU I was like Alone um in hotel you know CU I was like Alone um in hotel rooms like looking at the ceiling like rooms like looking at the ceiling like rooms like looking at the ceiling like what am I doing with my life like this what am I doing with my life like this what am I doing with my life like this is uh like I was working on startups and is uh like I was working on startups and is uh like I was working on startups and stuff and YouTube but it's like what is stuff and YouTube but it's like what is stuff and YouTube but it's like what is the future here you know like uh is this the future here you know like uh is this the future here you know like uh is this is this something while my friends in is this something while my friends in is this something while my friends in Holland were doing really well and with Holland were doing really well and with Holland were doing really well and with a normal life you know um so it was a normal life you know um so it was a normal life you know um so it was getting very depressed and like I'm like getting very depressed and like I'm like getting very depressed and like I'm like an outcast you know and my money was was an outcast you know and my money was was an outcast you know and my money was was shrinking I wasn't making money anymore shrinking I wasn't making money anymore shrinking I wasn't making money anymore lot making $500 a month or something and lot making $500 a month or something and lot making $500 a month or something and I was you know looking at the ceiling I was you know looking at the ceiling I was you know looking at the ceiling thinking like now I'm like 27 I'm a thinking like now I'm like 27 I'm a thinking like now I'm like 27 I'm a loser and that's the moment when I loser and that's the moment when I loser and that's the moment when I started building like startups and it started building like startups and it started building like startups and it was because my dad said like if you're was because my dad said like if you're was because my dad said like if you're depressed you need to you know get sand depressed you need to you know get sand depressed you need to you know get sand get a shovel start shoveling doing get a shovel start shoveling doing get a shovel start shoveling doing something you can't just sit still which something you can't just sit still which something you can't just sit still which is kind of like a interesting way to is kind of like a interesting way to is kind of like a interesting way to deal with depression you know like it's deal with depression you know like it's deal with depression you know like it's not like oh let's talk about it it's not like oh let's talk about it it's not like oh let's talk about it it's more like let's go do something and um more like let's go do something and um more like let's go do something and um and I started doing a project called 12 and I started doing a project called 12 and I started doing a project called 12 startups in 12 months where every month startups in 12 months where every month startups in 12 months where every month I would make something like a project I would make something like a project I would make something like a project and I would launch it with stripe so and I would launch it with stripe so and I would launch it with stripe so people could pay for it so the basic people could pay for it so the basic people could pay for it so the basic format is try to build a thing put it format is try to build a thing put it format is try to build a thing put it online and put stripe to where you can online and put stripe to where you can online and put stripe to where you can pay money for it yeah add a stripe check pay money for it yeah add a stripe check pay money for it yeah add a stripe check I'm not sponsored by stripe but add a I'm not sponsored by stripe but add a I'm not sponsored by stripe but add a stripe checkout button is that still stripe checkout button is that still stripe checkout button is that still like the the easiest way to just like like the the easiest way to just like like the the easiest way to just like pay for stuff stripe 100% like I think pay for stuff stripe 100% like I think pay for stuff stripe 100% like I think so yeah it's a cool company they just so yeah it's a cool company they just so yeah it's a cool company they just made it so easy you can just click and made it so easy you can just click and made it so easy you can just click and yeah and they're really nice like the

yeah and they're really nice like the yeah and they're really nice like the CEO Patrick is really nice behind the CEO Patrick is really nice behind the CEO Patrick is really nice behind the scenes it must be difficult to like scenes it must be difficult to like scenes it must be difficult to like actually make that happen cuz that used actually make that happen cuz that used actually make that happen cuz that used to be a huge problem like just Merchant to be a huge problem like just Merchant to be a huge problem like just Merchant just just adding a thing a button where just just adding a thing a button where just just adding a thing a button where you can like pay for a thing dude it's you can like pay for a thing dude it's you can like pay for a thing dude it's dude I know this because when I was when dude I know this because when I was when dude I know this because when I was when I 9 years old I was making websites also I 9 years old I was making websites also I 9 years old I was making websites also and I tried to open a merchant account and I tried to open a merchant account and I tried to open a merchant account there was like before tribe you would there was like before tribe you would there was like before tribe you would have like um I think it was called World have like um I think it was called World have like um I think it was called World pay so I had to like fill out all these pay so I had to like fill out all these pay so I had to like fill out all these forms and then I had to F them to forms and then I had to F them to forms and then I had to F them to America from Holland with my dad's facts America from Holland with my dad's facts America from Holland with my dad's facts um and my dad had to it wasn't my dad's um and my dad had to it wasn't my dad's um and my dad had to it wasn't my dad's name and he to sign for this and he name and he to sign for this and he name and he to sign for this and he started reading these terms and started reading these terms and started reading these terms and conditions which was like he's liable conditions which was like he's liable conditions which was like he's liable for like 100 million in Damages and he's for like 100 million in Damages and he's for like 100 million in Damages and he's like I don't want to sign this I'm like like I don't want to sign this I'm like like I don't want to sign this I'm like Dad come on I need a merchant account I Dad come on I need a merchant account I Dad come on I need a merchant account I need to make money on the internet you need to make money on the internet you need to make money on the internet you know and he signed it and we sent we fax know and he signed it and we sent we fax know and he signed it and we sent we fax it to America and I had a merchant it to America and I had a merchant it to America and I had a merchant account but then never nobody paid for account but then never nobody paid for account but then never nobody paid for anything so that was the problem you anything so that was the problem you anything so that was the problem you know yeah but it's much easier now you know yeah but it's much easier now you know yeah but it's much easier now you can sign up you add some codes and um can sign up you add some codes and um can sign up you add some codes and um yeah so 12 startups in 12 months yeah so yeah so 12 startups in 12 months yeah so yeah so 12 startups in 12 months yeah so what how do you what startup number one what how do you what startup number one what how do you what startup number one what what was that what like what what what what was that what like what what what what was that what like what what were you feeling what were you sitting were you feeling what were you sitting were you feeling what were you sitting behind the computer like how much do you behind the computer like how much do you behind the computer like how much do you actually know about building stuff at actually know about building stuff at actually know about building stuff at that point I could I could code a little that point I could I could code a little that point I could I could code a little bit because I did the YouTube channel bit because I did the YouTube channel bit because I did the YouTube channel and I made a website for I would make and I made a website for I would make and I made a website for I would make websit for like the YouTube channel it websit for like the YouTube channel it websit for like the YouTube channel it was called panda mix show and it was was called panda mix show and it was was called panda mix show and it was like these electronic music mixes like like these electronic music mixes like like these electronic music mixes like dubstep or dral base or Tech in our dubstep or dral base or Tech in our dubstep or dral base or Tech in our house I saw one of them had like flash house I saw one of them had like flash house I saw one of them had like flash were you using flash yeah my album my CD were you using flash yeah my album my CD were you using flash yeah my album my CD album was using flash yeah yeah I sold album was using flash yeah yeah I sold album was using flash yeah yeah I sold my CD yeah kids flash was Flash was

my CD yeah kids flash was Flash was my CD yeah kids flash was Flash was software this is like the the break like software this is like the the break like software this is like the the break like Grandpa you know but flash was cool yeah Grandpa you know but flash was cool yeah Grandpa you know but flash was cool yeah and there was what's it called boy I and there was what's it called boy I and there was what's it called boy I should remember this action script should remember this action script should remember this action script there's some kind of programming there's some kind of programming there's some kind of programming language scpt yeah yeah script in flash language scpt yeah yeah script in flash language scpt yeah yeah script in flash back then that was the JavaScript you back then that was the JavaScript you back then that was the JavaScript you know the JavaScript yeah and I I thought know the JavaScript yeah and I I thought know the JavaScript yeah and I I thought that's going to that's supposed to be that's going to that's supposed to be that's going to that's supposed to be the dynamic thing that takes over the the dynamic thing that takes over the the dynamic thing that takes over the internet I invested so many hours in internet I invested so many hours in internet I invested so many hours in learning Steve Jobs killer Steve Job learning Steve Jobs killer Steve Job learning Steve Jobs killer Steve Job said flesh sucks stop using it every was said flesh sucks stop using it every was said flesh sucks stop using it every was like okay that guy was right though like okay that guy was right though like okay that guy was right though right yeah I I don't know yeah well it right yeah I I don't know yeah well it right yeah I I don't know yeah well it was it was a closed platform I think and was it was a closed platform I think and was it was a closed platform I think and Clos but it's ironic cuz Apple you know Clos but it's ironic cuz Apple you know Clos but it's ironic cuz Apple you know they're not very open right but back they're not very open right but back they're not very open right but back then Steve was like this is closed we then Steve was like this is closed we then Steve was like this is closed we should not use it and it's as security should not use it and it's as security should not use it and it's as security problems I think which sounded like a problems I think which sounded like a problems I think which sounded like a copout like I just wanted to say that to copout like I just wanted to say that to copout like I just wanted to say that to make it look kind of bad um but flash make it look kind of bad um but flash make it look kind of bad um but flash was cool yeah yeah it was cool for a was cool yeah yeah it was cool for a was cool yeah yeah it was cool for a time yeah H listen animated gifts were time yeah H listen animated gifts were time yeah H listen animated gifts were cool for a time too yeah they came back cool for a time too yeah they came back cool for a time too yeah they came back in a different way yeah as a meme though in a different way yeah as a meme though in a different way yeah as a meme though I mean like I I remember when gifts were I mean like I I remember when gifts were I mean like I I remember when gifts were actually cool not ironically cool like actually cool not ironically cool like actually cool not ironically cool like there's like on the internet you would there's like on the internet you would there's like on the internet you would have like a Dancing Rabbit or something have like a Dancing Rabbit or something have like a Dancing Rabbit or something like this and that was really exciting like this and that was really exciting like this and that was really exciting no you had like the you know Lex no you had like the you know Lex no you had like the you know Lex homepage you Le everything was centered homepage you Le everything was centered homepage you Le everything was centered yeah and you had like Peter's homepage yeah and you had like Peter's homepage yeah and you had like Peter's homepage and then the on construction yeah GIF and then the on construction yeah GIF and then the on construction yeah GIF which was like a guy like with a helmet which was like a guy like with a helmet which was like a guy like with a helmet and the lights banners uh yeah that's and the lights banners uh yeah that's and the lights banners uh yeah that's how before like Google AdSense you would how before like Google AdSense you would how before like Google AdSense you would have like banners for advertising it was have like banners for advertising it was have like banners for advertising it was amazing yeah and and a lot of links to amazing yeah and and a lot of links to amazing yeah and and a lot of links to porn I think yeah where the Merion porn I think yeah where the Merion porn I think yeah where the Merion accounts people would use for people accounts people would use for people accounts people would use for people would make money a lot only money made

would make money a lot only money made would make money a lot only money made on internet was like porn or a lot of it on internet was like porn or a lot of it on internet was like porn or a lot of it yeah it was it was a dark place it's yeah it was it was a dark place it's yeah it was it was a dark place it's still a dark place yeah and but there's still a dark place yeah and but there's still a dark place yeah and but there's Beauty in the darkness anyway so you Beauty in the darkness anyway so you Beauty in the darkness anyway so you were uh you did some basic HTML yeah were uh you did some basic HTML yeah were uh you did some basic HTML yeah yeah but I had to learn the actual like yeah but I had to learn the actual like yeah but I had to learn the actual like coding so I uh this was good it was a coding so I uh this was good it was a coding so I uh this was good it was a good good idea to like every monom lunch good good idea to like every monom lunch good good idea to like every monom lunch a startup so I could uh learn to code a startup so I could uh learn to code a startup so I could uh learn to code learn basic stuff and but it was still learn basic stuff and but it was still learn basic stuff and but it was still very Scrappy because I didn't have time very Scrappy because I didn't have time very Scrappy because I didn't have time to which was on purpose like didn't have to which was on purpose like didn't have to which was on purpose like didn't have time to spend a lot of um I had a month time to spend a lot of um I had a month time to spend a lot of um I had a month to do something so I couldn't spend more to do something so I couldn't spend more to do something so I couldn't spend more than a month and I was pretty strict than a month and I was pretty strict than a month and I was pretty strict about that um and I published it as a about that um and I published it as a about that um and I published it as a blog post so people I think I put it on blog post so people I think I put it on blog post so people I think I put it on Hacker News and people would check like Hacker News and people would check like Hacker News and people would check like kind of like oh did you actually you kind of like oh did you actually you kind of like oh did you actually you know I felt like accountability because know I felt like accountability because know I felt like accountability because I put it public that I actually had to I put it public that I actually had to I put it public that I actually had to do it do you remember the first one you do it do you remember the first one you do it do you remember the first one you did I think it was playing my inbox cuz did I think it was playing my inbox cuz did I think it was playing my inbox cuz back then my friends we would send we back then my friends we would send we back then my friends we would send we would send like cool was before Spotify would send like cool was before Spotify would send like cool was before Spotify we would send like uh 2014 we would send we would send like uh 2014 we would send we would send like uh 2014 we would send music to each other like YouTube links music to each other like YouTube links music to each other like YouTube links uh like this is a cool song this is a uh like this is a cool song this is a uh like this is a cool song this is a cool song and it was the these giant cool song and it was the these giant cool song and it was the these giant email trads on Gmail and they were like email trads on Gmail and they were like email trads on Gmail and they were like unnavigable so I made an app that would unnavigable so I made an app that would unnavigable so I made an app that would log into your Gmail get them emails and log into your Gmail get them emails and log into your Gmail get them emails and find ons of YouTube links and then make find ons of YouTube links and then make find ons of YouTube links and then make like kind like a gallery of your your like kind like a gallery of your your like kind like a gallery of your your songs like essentially Spotify and my songs like essentially Spotify and my songs like essentially Spotify and my friends loved it was it scraping it like friends loved it was it scraping it like friends loved it was it scraping it like what was no it uses like poop like pop what was no it uses like poop like pop what was no it uses like poop like pop or IMAP you know it would actually check or IMAP you know it would actually check or IMAP you know it would actually check your email so that like privacy concerns your email so that like privacy concerns your email so that like privacy concerns because it would get all your emails to because it would get all your emails to because it would get all your emails to find YouTube links but then I would I find YouTube links but then I would I find YouTube links but then I would I wouldn't save anything um but that was wouldn't save anything um but that was wouldn't save anything um but that was fun it was like and that that first fun it was like and that that first fun it was like and that that first project already would get like pressed

project already would get like pressed project already would get like pressed like it went on think like um some tech like it went on think like um some tech like it went on think like um some tech media and stuff and I was like that's media and stuff and I was like that's media and stuff and I was like that's cool like it didn't make money there was cool like it didn't make money there was cool like it didn't make money there was no payment button but it was uh it was no payment button but it was uh it was no payment button but it was uh it was actually people using it I think tens of actually people using it I think tens of actually people using it I think tens of thousands of people used it that's a thousands of people used it that's a thousands of people used it that's a great idea I wonder why like why why great idea I wonder why like why why great idea I wonder why like why why don't we have that why don't we have don't we have that why don't we have don't we have that why don't we have things that access Gmail and extract things that access Gmail and extract things that access Gmail and extract some useful aggregate information yeah some useful aggregate information yeah some useful aggregate information yeah you could tell GMA like don't give me you could tell GMA like don't give me you could tell GMA like don't give me all emails just give me the ones with all emails just give me the ones with all emails just give me the ones with YouTube links you know or something like YouTube links you know or something like YouTube links you know or something like that yeah I mean there is a whole that yeah I mean there is a whole that yeah I mean there is a whole ecosystem of like apps you can build on ecosystem of like apps you can build on ecosystem of like apps you can build on top of the Google but people don't never top of the Google but people don't never top of the Google but people don't never do this I've seen a few like Boomerang do this I've seen a few like Boomerang do this I've seen a few like Boomerang there's a few apps that are like good there's a few apps that are like good there's a few apps that are like good but just I wonder what maybe it's not but just I wonder what maybe it's not but just I wonder what maybe it's not easy to make money I think it's hard to easy to make money I think it's hard to easy to make money I think it's hard to get people to pay for these like get people to pay for these like get people to pay for these like extensions and plugins you know cuz it's extensions and plugins you know cuz it's extensions and plugins you know cuz it's not like a real app so it's not like not like a real app so it's not like not like a real app so it's not like people don't value it people value oh people don't value it people value oh people don't value it people value oh this a plugin should be free you know this a plugin should be free you know this a plugin should be free you know when I want to use a plugin in Google when I want to use a plugin in Google when I want to use a plugin in Google Sheets or something I'm not going to pay Sheets or something I'm not going to pay Sheets or something I'm not going to pay for it like it should be free which is for it like it should be free which is for it like it should be free which is but if you go to a website and you but if you go to a website and you but if you go to a website and you actually okay I need this product I'm G actually okay I need this product I'm G actually okay I need this product I'm G to pay for this because it's a real to pay for this because it's a real to pay for this because it's a real product so even though it's the same product so even though it's the same product so even though it's the same code in the back it's a plugin you know code in the back it's a plugin you know code in the back it's a plugin you know yeah I mean you can do it through like yeah I mean you can do it through like yeah I mean you can do it through like extensions like Chrome extensions extensions like Chrome extensions extensions like Chrome extensions through from the browser side yeah but through from the browser side yeah but through from the browser side yeah but who pays for Chrome extensions right who pays for Chrome extensions right who pays for Chrome extensions right like barely anybody so nobody uh that's like barely anybody so nobody uh that's like barely anybody so nobody uh that's not a good place to make money probably not a good place to make money probably not a good place to make money probably yeah that sucks like chromic extension yeah that sucks like chromic extension yeah that sucks like chromic extension should be a extension for your startup should be a extension for your startup should be a extension for your startup you know you have a product yeah oh we you know you have a product yeah oh we you know you have a product yeah oh we also have a Chrome extension you know I also have a Chrome extension you know I also have a Chrome extension you know I wish the Chrome extension would be the wish the Chrome extension would be the wish the Chrome extension would be the product I wish Chrome would support that product I wish Chrome would support that product I wish Chrome would support that like where you could pay for it easily like where you could pay for it easily like where you could pay for it easily cuz like imagine I can imagine a lot of

cuz like imagine I can imagine a lot of cuz like imagine I can imagine a lot of products that would just live as products that would just live as products that would just live as extensions like improvements for social extensions like improvements for social extensions like improvements for social media like it's like gpts you know gpts media like it's like gpts you know gpts media like it's like gpts you know gpts yeah like these CH gpts they they going yeah like these CH gpts they they going yeah like these CH gpts they they going to charge money for it now and you get a to charge money for it now and you get a to charge money for it now and you get a ref ref share I think from an open AI I ref ref share I think from an open AI I ref ref share I think from an open AI I made a lot of them also why we'll we'll made a lot of them also why we'll we'll made a lot of them also why we'll we'll talk about it so let's rewind back it's talk about it so let's rewind back it's talk about it so let's rewind back it's a pretty cool idea to do 12 startup in a pretty cool idea to do 12 startup in a pretty cool idea to do 12 startup in 12 months what what's it take to build a 12 months what what's it take to build a 12 months what what's it take to build a thing in in in 30 days like at that time thing in in in 30 days like at that time thing in in in 30 days like at that time how hard was how hard was how hard was that I think the hard part is like that I think the hard part is like that I think the hard part is like figuring out what you shouldn't add figuring out what you shouldn't add figuring out what you shouldn't add right what you shouldn't build because right what you shouldn't build because right what you shouldn't build because you don't have time so you need to build you don't have time so you need to build you don't have time so you need to build a landing page well you need to make the a landing page well you need to make the a landing page well you need to make the you know you need to build the product you know you need to build the product you know you need to build the product actually because it need to be something actually because it need to be something actually because it need to be something they pay for um do you need to build a they pay for um do you need to build a they pay for um do you need to build a login system like maybe no you know like login system like maybe no you know like login system like maybe no you know like maybe you can build some Scrappy login maybe you can build some Scrappy login maybe you can build some Scrappy login system like for fot you sign up you pay system like for fot you sign up you pay system like for fot you sign up you pay strap checkout and you get a login link strap checkout and you get a login link strap checkout and you get a login link and when I started it was only a login and when I started it was only a login and when I started it was only a login link with a hash and that's just a link with a hash and that's just a link with a hash and that's just a static link so it's very easy to log in static link so it's very easy to log in static link so it's very easy to log in yeah it's not so safe you know what if yeah it's not so safe you know what if yeah it's not so safe you know what if you leak the link and now I have real you leak the link and now I have real you leak the link and now I have real Google login but that took like a year Google login but that took like a year Google login but that took like a year so keeping it very Scrappy is very so keeping it very Scrappy is very so keeping it very Scrappy is very important to because you don't have time important to because you don't have time important to because you don't have time you know you need to focus on um what you know you need to focus on um what you know you need to focus on um what you can build fast uh so money stripe uh you can build fast uh so money stripe uh you can build fast uh so money stripe uh build a product build a landing page um build a product build a landing page um build a product build a landing page um you need to think about how are people you need to think about how are people you need to think about how are people going to find this so are you going to going to find this so are you going to going to find this so are you going to put it on Reddit or something how are put it on Reddit or something how are put it on Reddit or something how are you going to put it on Reddit without you going to put it on Reddit without you going to put it on Reddit without being looked at as a spammer right like being looked at as a spammer right like being looked at as a spammer right like um if you say hey this is my new startup um if you say hey this is my new startup um if you say hey this is my new startup you should use it no nobody's it gets you should use it no nobody's it gets you should use it no nobody's it gets deleted you know M um maybe if you find deleted you know M um maybe if you find deleted you know M um maybe if you find a problem that a lot of people on Reddit a problem that a lot of people on Reddit a problem that a lot of people on Reddit already have on subreddit you know like already have on subreddit you know like already have on subreddit you know like and you solve that problem say sub

and you solve that problem say sub and you solve that problem say sub people I made this thing that might people I made this thing that might people I made this thing that might solve your problem and maybe it's free solve your problem and maybe it's free solve your problem and maybe it's free for now you know like uh that could work for now you know like uh that could work for now you know like uh that could work you know but you need to be very you you know but you need to be very you you know but you need to be very you know um narrow it down what you're know um narrow it down what you're know um narrow it down what you're building time is limited yeah actually building time is limited yeah actually building time is limited yeah actually can we go back to the you laying in a can we go back to the you laying in a can we go back to the you laying in a room feeling like a loser yeah I still room feeling like a loser yeah I still room feeling like a loser yeah I still feel like a loser sometimes what's what feel like a loser sometimes what's what feel like a loser sometimes what's what can you can you speak to that feeling to can you can you speak to that feeling to can you can you speak to that feeling to that place of just like feeling like a that place of just like feeling like a that place of just like feeling like a loser and cuz I think a lot of people in loser and cuz I think a lot of people in loser and cuz I think a lot of people in this world are laying in a room right this world are laying in a room right this world are laying in a room right now listening to this and feeling like a now listening to this and feeling like a now listening to this and feeling like a loser okay so I think it's normal if loser okay so I think it's normal if loser okay so I think it's normal if you're young that you feel like a loser you're young that you feel like a loser you're young that you feel like a loser first of all especially when you're 27 first of all especially when you're 27 first of all especially when you're 27 yes yeah especially there's like a peak yes yeah especially there's like a peak yes yeah especially there's like a peak yeah yeah think a peak and so I would yeah yeah think a peak and so I would yeah yeah think a peak and so I would not kill yourself it's very important not kill yourself it's very important not kill yourself it's very important just get through it you know but uh just get through it you know but uh just get through it you know but uh because you have nothing you have because you have nothing you have because you have nothing you have probably no money you have no business probably no money you have no business probably no money you have no business you have no job you have you like Jeremy you have no job you have you like Jeremy you have no job you have you like Jeremy Peterson said this I saw it somewhere Peterson said this I saw it somewhere Peterson said this I saw it somewhere like the reason people are depressed like the reason people are depressed like the reason people are depressed because they have nothing they don't because they have nothing they don't because they have nothing they don't have a girlfriend they don't have a or have a girlfriend they don't have a or have a girlfriend they don't have a or boyfriend they don't have a you need boyfriend they don't have a you need boyfriend they don't have a you need stuff you need like or a family you need stuff you need like or a family you need stuff you need like or a family you need things around you you need to build a things around you you need to build a things around you you need to build a life for yourself if you don't build a life for yourself if you don't build a life for yourself if you don't build a life for yourself you'll be depressed so life for yourself you'll be depressed so life for yourself you'll be depressed so if you're alone in Asia in a hostel if you're alone in Asia in a hostel if you're alone in Asia in a hostel looking at the ceiling and you don't looking at the ceiling and you don't looking at the ceiling and you don't have any money coming in you don't have have any money coming in you don't have have any money coming in you don't have a girlfriend you don't of course you're a girlfriend you don't of course you're a girlfriend you don't of course you're depressed press is logic but back then depressed press is logic but back then depressed press is logic but back then if you're in a moment you think this is if you're in a moment you think this is if you're in a moment you think this is not logic there's something wrong with not logic there's something wrong with not logic there's something wrong with me you know yeah um and and also I think me you know yeah um and and also I think me you know yeah um and and also I think I started going I started getting like I started going I started getting like I started going I started getting like anxiety and I think I started going a anxiety and I think I started going a anxiety and I think I started going a little bit crazy where I think travel little bit crazy where I think travel little bit crazy where I think travel can make you insane and I know this

can make you insane and I know this can make you insane and I know this because I know that there's like digital because I know that there's like digital because I know that there's like digital Nomad that they kill themselves and I Nomad that they kill themselves and I Nomad that they kill themselves and I don't I haven't checked like this the don't I haven't checked like this the don't I haven't checked like this the comparison with like Baseline people comparison with like Baseline people comparison with like Baseline people like suicide rate but I have a hunch um like suicide rate but I have a hunch um like suicide rate but I have a hunch um especially in the beginning when it was especially in the beginning when it was especially in the beginning when it was a very new thing like 10 years ago that a very new thing like 10 years ago that a very new thing like 10 years ago that it can be very ecologically taxing and it can be very ecologically taxing and it can be very ecologically taxing and you're alone a lot back then when you you're alone a lot back then when you you're alone a lot back then when you travel alone there was no other digital travel alone there was no other digital travel alone there was no other digital Nance back then a lot so you're in a Nance back then a lot so you're in a Nance back then a lot so you're in a strange culture you look different than strange culture you look different than strange culture you look different than everybody like you're in I was in Asia everybody like you're in I was in Asia everybody like you're in I was in Asia like you everybody's really nice in like you everybody's really nice in like you everybody's really nice in Thailand but you're not part of the Thailand but you're not part of the Thailand but you're not part of the culture you're traveling around you're culture you're traveling around you're culture you're traveling around you're hopping from City to City you don't have hopping from City to City you don't have hopping from City to City you don't have a home anymore MH you feel this rooted a home anymore MH you feel this rooted a home anymore MH you feel this rooted and you're constantly in the outcast in and you're constantly in the outcast in and you're constantly in the outcast in in that you're different from everybody in that you're different from everybody in that you're different from everybody else yes exactly but people treat like else yes exactly but people treat like else yes exactly but people treat like Thailand people are so nice but you Thailand people are so nice but you Thailand people are so nice but you still feel like Outcast and and then I still feel like Outcast and and then I still feel like Outcast and and then I think the the digital n i met then were think the the digital n i met then were think the the digital n i met then were all kind of like it was like shady all kind of like it was like shady all kind of like it was like shady business you know but they were like business you know but they were like business you know but they were like Vigilantes cuz it was a new thing and Vigilantes cuz it was a new thing and Vigilantes cuz it was a new thing and like one guy was selling illegal drugs like one guy was selling illegal drugs like one guy was selling illegal drugs was American guy was selling illegal was American guy was selling illegal was American guy was selling illegal drugs via UPS to Americans you know on drugs via UPS to Americans you know on drugs via UPS to Americans you know on this website they were like a lot of this website they were like a lot of this website they were like a lot of drop shippers doing Shady stuff um drop shippers doing Shady stuff um drop shippers doing Shady stuff um there's a lot of shady things going on there's a lot of shady things going on there's a lot of shady things going on there and they were they didn't look there and they were they didn't look there and they were they didn't look like very balanced people they didn't like very balanced people they didn't like very balanced people they didn't look like people I wanted to hang with look like people I wanted to hang with look like people I wanted to hang with you know so I also felt Outcast from you know so I also felt Outcast from you know so I also felt Outcast from other foreigners in Thailand other other foreigners in Thailand other other foreigners in Thailand other digital Nomads and I was like man I made digital Nomads and I was like man I made digital Nomads and I was like man I made a big mistake and then I went back to a big mistake and then I went back to a big mistake and then I went back to Holland and then I got even more Holland and then I got even more Holland and then I got even more depressed you said digital Nomad what is depressed you said digital Nomad what is depressed you said digital Nomad what is digital Nomad what is that way of life digital Nomad what is that way of life digital Nomad what is that way of life what is the philosophy there and the what is the philosophy there and the what is the philosophy there and the history of the movement I I struck upon history of the movement I I struck upon history of the movement I I struck upon it on accident because I I was like I'm it on accident because I I was like I'm it on accident because I I was like I'm going to graduate University and then going to graduate University and then going to graduate University and then I'm going to I need to get out of here

I'm going to I need to get out of here I'm going to I need to get out of here I'll fly to Asia because I've been I'll fly to Asia because I've been I'll fly to Asia because I've been before in Asia I studied in Korea in before in Asia I studied in Korea in before in Asia I studied in Korea in 2009 like study exchange I was like Asia 2009 like study exchange I was like Asia 2009 like study exchange I was like Asia is easy Thailand's easy I'll just go is easy Thailand's easy I'll just go is easy Thailand's easy I'll just go there figure things out and it's cheap there figure things out and it's cheap there figure things out and it's cheap it's very cheap changai I would live it's very cheap changai I would live it's very cheap changai I would live like for $150 per month rent for like a like for $150 per month rent for like a like for $150 per month rent for like a private room pretty good so I struck on private room pretty good so I struck on private room pretty good so I struck on this on next I was like okay there's this on next I was like okay there's this on next I was like okay there's other people on laptops working on their other people on laptops working on their other people on laptops working on their startup or working remotely back then startup or working remotely back then startup or working remotely back then nobody worked remotely but they worked nobody worked remotely but they worked nobody worked remotely but they worked on their their businesses right um and on their their businesses right um and on their their businesses right um and they would you know live in like they would you know live in like they would you know live in like Colombia or uh Thailand or Vietnam or Colombia or uh Thailand or Vietnam or Colombia or uh Thailand or Vietnam or Bali they would live kind of like a more Bali they would live kind of like a more Bali they would live kind of like a more cheap places and it looked like a very cheap places and it looked like a very cheap places and it looked like a very adventurous life like you travel around adventurous life like you travel around adventurous life like you travel around you build your business there's no you build your business there's no you build your business there's no pressure from like your Home Society pressure from like your Home Society pressure from like your Home Society right like you're American so you're you right like you're American so you're you right like you're American so you're you get pressure from American soci telling get pressure from American soci telling get pressure from American soci telling you kind of what to do like you need to you kind of what to do like you need to you kind of what to do like you need to buy a house or you need to this stuff I buy a house or you need to this stuff I buy a house or you need to this stuff I had this in Holland too and you can get had this in Holland too and you can get had this in Holland too and you can get away from this pressure you can find away from this pressure you can find away from this pressure you can find kind of feel like you're free you're kind of feel like you're free you're kind of feel like you're free you're kind of there's nobody telling you what kind of there's nobody telling you what kind of there's nobody telling you what to do but that's also why you start to do but that's also why you start to do but that's also why you start feeling like you go crazy because you feeling like you go crazy because you feeling like you go crazy because you are you are free you're dis attached are you are free you're dis attached are you are free you're dis attached from anything and anybody um you're from anything and anybody um you're from anything and anybody um you're disattached from your culture you're disattached from your culture you're disattached from your culture you're disattached from the culture you're disattached from the culture you're disattached from the culture you're probably in because you're staying very probably in because you're staying very probably in because you're staying very short I think France kofka said I'm free short I think France kofka said I'm free short I think France kofka said I'm free therefore for I'm lost man that's so therefore for I'm lost man that's so therefore for I'm lost man that's so true yeah that's exactly the point and true yeah that's exactly the point and true yeah that's exactly the point and yeah freedom is like it's the definition yeah freedom is like it's the definition yeah freedom is like it's the definition of no constraints right like anything is of no constraints right like anything is of no constraints right like anything is possible you can go anywhere and possible you can go anywhere and possible you can go anywhere and everybody's like oh that must be super everybody's like oh that must be super everybody's like oh that must be super nice you know like Freedom you must be nice you know like Freedom you must be nice you know like Freedom you must be very happy and it's the opposite like I very happy and it's the opposite like I very happy and it's the opposite like I don't think that makes you happy I think don't think that makes you happy I think don't think that makes you happy I think constraints probably make you happy and constraints probably make you happy and constraints probably make you happy and that's a big lesson I learned that's a big lesson I learned that's a big lesson I learned then but what what were they making for

then but what what were they making for then but what what were they making for money what what so you're saying they money what what so you're saying they money what what so you're saying they were doing Shady stuff at that time for were doing Shady stuff at that time for were doing Shady stuff at that time for me you know because I was more like a me you know because I was more like a me you know because I was more like a developer I wanted to make startups kind developer I wanted to make startups kind developer I wanted to make startups kind of and and it was like um it was like of and and it was like um it was like of and and it was like um it was like drugs being shipped to America like diet drugs being shipped to America like diet drugs being shipped to America like diet pills and stuff like non FDA proofed pills and stuff like non FDA proofed pills and stuff like non FDA proofed stuff you know and they would like there stuff you know and they would like there stuff you know and they would like there was no like e they were like they would was no like e they were like they would was no like e they were like they would would save beers they would laugh about would save beers they would laugh about would save beers they would laugh about like all the dodgy shit kind of they're like all the dodgy shit kind of they're like all the dodgy shit kind of they're doing you know ah that part of okay kind doing you know ah that part of okay kind doing you know ah that part of okay kind of vibe you know like kind of sleazy of vibe you know like kind of sleazy of vibe you know like kind of sleazy Ecom Vibe I'm not saying all Ecom is SLE Ecom Vibe I'm not saying all Ecom is SLE Ecom Vibe I'm not saying all Ecom is SLE you know but right but you know this you know but right but you know this you know but right but you know this Vibe it could be a Vibe and your your Vibe it could be a Vibe and your your Vibe it could be a Vibe and your your Vibe was more buol shit that's ethical Vibe was more buol shit that's ethical Vibe was more buol shit that's ethical you know the guys with sports cars in you know the guys with sports cars in you know the guys with sports cars in Dubai these people you know yes Ecom Dubai these people you know yes Ecom Dubai these people you know yes Ecom like oh bro you got a drop ship and like oh bro you got a drop ship and like oh bro you got a drop ship and you'll make 100 million a month like you'll make 100 million a month like you'll make 100 million a month like those people was this shit and I I was those people was this shit and I I was those people was this shit and I I was like this is not my people yeah I don't like this is not my people yeah I don't like this is not my people yeah I don't I mean there's nothing wrong with any of I mean there's nothing wrong with any of I mean there's nothing wrong with any of those individual components judg but but those individual components judg but but those individual components judg but but there's a there's a there's a foundation that's not quite ethical I foundation that's not quite ethical I foundation that's not quite ethical I what is that I don't know what that is what is that I don't know what that is what is that I don't know what that is but yeah I get you no I like I don't but yeah I get you no I like I don't but yeah I get you no I like I don't want to judge it was more I know that want to judge it was more I know that want to judge it was more I know that for me it wasn't my world it wasn't my for me it wasn't my world it wasn't my for me it wasn't my world it wasn't my subculture I want to make cool shit you subculture I want to make cool shit you subculture I want to make cool shit you know but they also think their cool shit know but they also think their cool shit know but they also think their cool shit is cool so you know uh but I wanted to is cool so you know uh but I wanted to is cool so you know uh but I wanted to make like real like startups and that make like real like startups and that make like real like startups and that was my thing I would read Hacker News was my thing I would read Hacker News was my thing I would read Hacker News you know like why combinator and they you know like why combinator and they you know like why combinator and they were making cool stuff so I wanted to were making cool stuff so I wanted to were making cool stuff so I wanted to make cool stuff I mean that's a pretty make cool stuff I mean that's a pretty make cool stuff I mean that's a pretty cool way of life just if you romanticize cool way of life just if you romanticize cool way of life just if you romanticize it for a moment it's very romantic man it for a moment it's very romantic man it for a moment it's very romantic man it's very it's colorful you know like if it's very it's colorful you know like if it's very it's colorful you know like if I think about the memories I mean what I think about the memories I mean what I think about the memories I mean what are some happy memories just like are some happy memories just like are some happy memories just like working working cafes or working working working cafes or working working working cafes or working in just the

in just the in just the freedom that that uh envelops you from freedom that that uh envelops you from freedom that that uh envelops you from with that that way of life cuz anything with that that way of life cuz anything with that that way of life cuz anything is possible you can just get up was is possible you can just get up was is possible you can just get up was amazing like we would work like you amazing like we would work like you amazing like we would work like you would I would make friends and we would would I would make friends and we would would I would make friends and we would work until you know 6:00 a.m. in Bali work until you know 6:00 a.m. in Bali work until you know 6:00 a.m. in Bali for example with like um with Andre my for example with like um with Andre my for example with like um with Andre my best friend who who still my best friend best friend who who still my best friend best friend who who still my best friend and we and other friends and we would and we and other friends and we would and we and other friends and we would work until like the morning when the sun work until like the morning when the sun work until like the morning when the sun came up because at night the co-working came up because at night the co-working came up because at night the co-working space was silent you know there was space was silent you know there was space was silent you know there was nobody else and I would wake up like 6 nobody else and I would wake up like 6 nobody else and I would wake up like 6 p.m. or 5:00 p.m. I would drive to the p.m. or 5:00 p.m. I would drive to the p.m. or 5:00 p.m. I would drive to the cing space on a motorbike I would buy cing space on a motorbike I would buy cing space on a motorbike I would buy like uh 30 hot lattes from a cafe how like uh 30 hot lattes from a cafe how like uh 30 hot lattes from a cafe how many 30 cuz there was like there was many 30 cuz there was like there was many 30 cuz there was like there was like six people coming or we didn't know like six people coming or we didn't know like six people coming or we didn't know sometimes people would come in and did sometimes people would come in and did sometimes people would come in and did you say you say you say 3030 yeah nice and we would drink like 3030 yeah nice and we would drink like 3030 yeah nice and we would drink like four per person or something you know four per person or something you know four per person or something you know uhhuh man it's B I don't know if they uhhuh man it's B I don't know if they uhhuh man it's B I don't know if they were powerful lattes you know but they were powerful lattes you know but they were powerful lattes you know but they were lattes and um we would put in were lattes and um we would put in were lattes and um we would put in plastic bag and I would drive there and plastic bag and I would drive there and plastic bag and I would drive there and all the coffee was like falling you know all the coffee was like falling you know all the coffee was like falling you know everywhere and then we'd go into course everywhere and then we'd go into course everywhere and then we'd go into course and have these coffees here and we'd and have these coffees here and we'd and have these coffees here and we'd work all night we'd play like techno work all night we'd play like techno work all night we'd play like techno music and everybody would just work on music and everybody would just work on music and everybody would just work on their like this was literally like their like this was literally like their like this was literally like business people they would work in their business people they would work in their business people they would work in their startup and we would all try and make startup and we would all try and make startup and we would all try and make something and then the Sun would come up something and then the Sun would come up something and then the Sun would come up and the morning people the you know the and the morning people the you know the and the morning people the you know the the yoga uh yoga girls and yoga guys the yoga uh yoga girls and yoga guys the yoga uh yoga girls and yoga guys would come in you know after the yoga would come in you know after the yoga would come in you know after the yoga class at 6 and they say hey good morning class at 6 and they say hey good morning class at 6 and they say hey good morning and we're like we look like this you and we're like we look like this you and we're like we look like this you know and we're like what's up how are know and we're like what's up how are know and we're like what's up how are you doing and we didn't know how bad we you doing and we didn't know how bad we you doing and we didn't know how bad we looked you know but it was very bad and looked you know but it was very bad and looked you know but it was very bad and uh then we'd go home sleep in like a uh then we'd go home sleep in like a uh then we'd go home sleep in like a hostel or a hotel and do the same thing

hostel or a hotel and do the same thing hostel or a hotel and do the same thing and again and again and again and it was and again and again and again and it was and again and again and again and it was this lockin mode you know like this lockin mode you know like this lockin mode you know like working um and that was very fun so it's working um and that was very fun so it's working um and that was very fun so it's just a a bunch of you music blasting all just a a bunch of you music blasting all just a a bunch of you music blasting all through the night yeah more like like through the night yeah more like like through the night yeah more like like indust not like see I for indust not like see I for indust not like see I for me it's such an interesting thing me it's such an interesting thing me it's such an interesting thing because the speed of the beat affects because the speed of the beat affects because the speed of the beat affects how I feel about a thing So the faster how I feel about a thing So the faster how I feel about a thing So the faster it is the more anxiety I feel but that it is the more anxiety I feel but that it is the more anxiety I feel but that anxiety is channeled into productivity anxiety is channeled into productivity anxiety is channeled into productivity but if it's a little too fast I start but if it's a little too fast I start but if it's a little too fast I start the anxiety overpowers don't like drama the anxiety overpowers don't like drama the anxiety overpowers don't like drama base music probably not no it's too fast base music probably not no it's too fast base music probably not no it's too fast I mean for working I have to I have to I mean for working I have to I have to I mean for working I have to I have to play with it it's like you can actually play with it it's like you can actually play with it it's like you can actually like I can adjust my level of anxiety like I can adjust my level of anxiety like I can adjust my level of anxiety this must be a better word than anxiety this must be a better word than anxiety this must be a better word than anxiety it's like uh productive anxiety that I it's like uh productive anxiety that I it's like uh productive anxiety that I like whatever that is it also depends like whatever that is it also depends like whatever that is it also depends what kind of work you do right like if what kind of work you do right like if what kind of work you do right like if you're writing you probably don't want you're writing you probably don't want you're writing you probably don't want drama based music I think for codes like drama based music I think for codes like drama based music I think for codes like industrial techno this kind of stuff industrial techno this kind of stuff industrial techno this kind of stuff kind of fast it works well because you kind of fast it works well because you kind of fast it works well because you really get like locked in and combined really get like locked in and combined really get like locked in and combined with caffeine you know you go you go with caffeine you know you go you go with caffeine you know you go you go deep you know and and I think you deep you know and and I think you deep you know and and I think you balance on this edge of anxiety because balance on this edge of anxiety because balance on this edge of anxiety because this caffeine is also hitting your this caffeine is also hitting your this caffeine is also hitting your anxiety and you want to be on the edge anxiety and you want to be on the edge anxiety and you want to be on the edge of anxiety with this techno running of anxiety with this techno running of anxiety with this techno running sometimes it gets too much like stop the sometimes it gets too much like stop the sometimes it gets too much like stop the Techno stop the music it's Techno stop the music it's Techno stop the music it's like but uh but those are good memories like but uh but those are good memories like but uh but those are good memories you know and also like travel memories you know and also like travel memories you know and also like travel memories like you go from City to City yeah and like you go from City to City yeah and like you go from City to City yeah and it feels like it's kind of like Jet Set it feels like it's kind of like Jet Set it feels like it's kind of like Jet Set life like it's it's feels very beautiful life like it's it's feels very beautiful life like it's it's feels very beautiful like you're you're seeing a lot of cool like you're you're seeing a lot of cool like you're you're seeing a lot of cool cities and what was your favorite place cities and what was your favorite place cities and what was your favorite place you remember you visited I think still

you remember you visited I think still you remember you visited I think still like uh Bangkok is the best place and like uh Bangkok is the best place and like uh Bangkok is the best place and Bangkok and changai I think Thailand is Bangkok and changai I think Thailand is Bangkok and changai I think Thailand is very special like I've been to the other very special like I've been to the other very special like I've been to the other place like I've been to Vietnam and I've place like I've been to Vietnam and I've place like I've been to Vietnam and I've been to South America and stuff I still been to South America and stuff I still been to South America and stuff I still think Thailand wins in how nice people think Thailand wins in how nice people think Thailand wins in how nice people are how easy of a life people have their are how easy of a life people have their are how easy of a life people have their everything's cheap yeah good well bangok everything's cheap yeah good well bangok everything's cheap yeah good well bangok is getting expensive now but changai is is getting expensive now but changai is is getting expensive now but changai is still cheap I think when you're starting still cheap I think when you're starting still cheap I think when you're starting out it's a great place man the air out it's a great place man the air out it's a great place man the air quality sucks it's a big problem so um quality sucks it's a big problem so um quality sucks it's a big problem so um and it's quite hot but that's a very and it's quite hot but that's a very and it's quite hot but that's a very cool place um pros and cons I love cool place um pros and cons I love cool place um pros and cons I love Brazil also my girlfriend is Brazilian Brazil also my girlfriend is Brazilian Brazil also my girlfriend is Brazilian but I do love not just because of that but I do love not just because of that but I do love not just because of that but I like Brazil brail uh the problem but I like Brazil brail uh the problem but I like Brazil brail uh the problem still is the safety issue you know like still is the safety issue you know like still is the safety issue you know like it's it's like in America like it's it's it's like in America like it's it's it's like in America like it's localized it's hard for Europeans to localized it's hard for Europeans to localized it's hard for Europeans to understand like safety's localized to understand like safety's localized to understand like safety's localized to specific areas so if you go to the right specific areas so if you go to the right specific areas so if you go to the right areas it's amazing Brazil is amazing if areas it's amazing Brazil is amazing if areas it's amazing Brazil is amazing if you go to the wrong areas like you maybe you go to the wrong areas like you maybe you go to the wrong areas like you maybe you die MH right yeah yeah I mean that's you die MH right yeah yeah I mean that's you die MH right yeah yeah I mean that's true it's not true in Europe feel in true it's not true in Europe feel in true it's not true in Europe feel in Europe is much more true more average Europe is much more true more average Europe is much more true more average you're right you're right there it's you're right you're right there it's you're right you're right there it's more averaged out yeah I like it when more averaged out yeah I like it when more averaged out yeah I like it when there's strong neighborhoods when you're there's strong neighborhoods when you're there's strong neighborhoods when you're like you cross a certain Street and like you cross a certain Street and like you cross a certain Street and you're in in a dangerous part of town you're in in a dangerous part of town you're in in a dangerous part of town man yeah it's I I I like it I like man yeah it's I I I like it I like man yeah it's I I I like it I like there's certain cities in the United there's certain cities in the United there's certain cities in the United States like that yeah I like that and States like that yeah I like that and States like that yeah I like that and you're saying Europe is you don't feel you're saying Europe is you don't feel you're saying Europe is you don't feel scared well I don't I like danger BJJ no scared well I don't I like danger BJJ no scared well I don't I like danger BJJ no not even just that I think danger is not even just that I think danger is not even just that I think danger is interesting so danger reveals something interesting so danger reveals something interesting so danger reveals something about yourself about others also I like about yourself about others also I like about yourself about others also I like the full range of humanity yeah so I

the full range of humanity yeah so I the full range of humanity yeah so I don't like the mellowed out aspects of don't like the mellowed out aspects of don't like the mellowed out aspects of humanity I I have friends like theom humanity I I have friends like theom humanity I I have friends like theom friends that are exactly like this like friends that are exactly like this like friends that are exactly like this like they go to like the the kind of broken they go to like the the kind of broken they go to like the the kind of broken areas you know like they like this areas you know like they like this areas you know like they like this reality they like this authenticity more reality they like this authenticity more reality they like this authenticity more they don't like luxury they don't like they don't like luxury they don't like they don't like luxury they don't like oh yeah I hate luxury yeah it's very oh yeah I hate luxury yeah it's very oh yeah I hate luxury yeah it's very European of you like wait was that European of you like wait was that European of you like wait was that that's a whole another conversation so that's a whole another conversation so that's a whole another conversation so you uh you uh quoted Freya Stark quote you uh you uh quoted Freya Stark quote you uh you uh quoted Freya Stark quote to awaken quite alone in a strange town to awaken quite alone in a strange town to awaken quite alone in a strange town is one of the most Pleasant Sensations is one of the most Pleasant Sensations is one of the most Pleasant Sensations in the world yeah uh do you remember a in the world yeah uh do you remember a in the world yeah uh do you remember a time you awoken in a strange town and time you awoken in a strange town and time you awoken in a strange town and felt like that we're talking about small felt like that we're talking about small felt like that we're talking about small towns or Big Towns or man anywhere I towns or Big Towns or man anywhere I towns or Big Towns or man anywhere I think I wrote it in some blog post and think I wrote it in some blog post and think I wrote it in some blog post and like it was a common thing when you like it was a common thing when you like it was a common thing when you would wake up and this was like because would wake up and this was like because would wake up and this was like because I have this website I started a website I have this website I started a website I have this website I started a website about this D Nom like called Nomad about this D Nom like called Nomad about this D Nom like called Nomad list.com and there was a community so it list.com and there was a community so it list.com and there was a community so it was like 3, and other digital no man was like 3, and other digital no man was like 3, and other digital no man because I was feeling lonely so I built because I was feeling lonely so I built because I was feeling lonely so I built this website and I stopped feeling this website and I stopped feeling this website and I stopped feeling lonely like I started make organizing lonely like I started make organizing lonely like I started make organizing meetups and making friends and um and it meetups and making friends and um and it meetups and making friends and um and it was very common that people would say was very common that people would say was very common that people would say they would wake up and they would forget they would wake up and they would forget they would wake up and they would forget where they are yeah like for the first where they are yeah like for the first where they are yeah like for the first half minute and I had to look outside half minute and I had to look outside half minute and I had to look outside like where am I which country which like where am I which country which like where am I which country which sounds really like privileged but it's sounds really like privileged but it's sounds really like privileged but it's more like funny like you literally don't more like funny like you literally don't more like funny like you literally don't know where you are because you're so dis know where you are because you're so dis know where you are because you're so dis rooted um but there's something man it's rooted um but there's something man it's rooted um but there's something man it's like Anthony berdan you know there's like Anthony berdan you know there's like Anthony berdan you know there's something pure about this kind something pure about this kind something pure about this kind of vagab Bor travel thing you know like of vagab Bor travel thing you know like of vagab Bor travel thing you know like it's behind me I think I don't like now it's behind me I think I don't like now it's behind me I think I don't like now I travel with my girlfriend right it's

I travel with my girlfriend right it's I travel with my girlfriend right it's very different but it is romantic like very different but it is romantic like very different but it is romantic like memories of this kind of like Vagabond memories of this kind of like Vagabond memories of this kind of like Vagabond individualistic solo life but the thing individualistic solo life but the thing individualistic solo life but the thing is didn't make me happy but it was very is didn't make me happy but it was very is didn't make me happy but it was very cool but it didn't make me happy right cool but it didn't make me happy right cool but it didn't make me happy right it made me anxious there's something it made me anxious there's something it made me anxious there's something about it that made you anxious I don't about it that made you anxious I don't about it that made you anxious I don't know I still feel like that it's a cool know I still feel like that it's a cool know I still feel like that it's a cool feeling it's scary at first but then you feeling it's scary at first but then you feeling it's scary at first but then you realize where you are and you and I realize where you are and you and I realize where you are and you and I don't know it's like you'll awaken to don't know it's like you'll awaken to don't know it's like you'll awaken to the possibilities of this place when you the possibilities of this place when you the possibilities of this place when you feel like that it's like great and it's feel like that it's like great and it's feel like that it's like great and it's even when you're doing some basic travel even when you're doing some basic travel even when you're doing some basic travel I go to San Francisco or something El I go to San Francisco or something El I go to San Francisco or something El yeah you have like the novelty effect yeah you have like the novelty effect yeah you have like the novelty effect like you're in a new place like here like you're in a new place like here like you're in a new place like here things are possible you know you you things are possible you know you you things are possible you know you you you're you don't get bored yet you're you don't get bored yet you're you don't get bored yet and and that's why people get addicted and and that's why people get addicted and and that's why people get addicted to travel you know back to startups you to travel you know back to startups you to travel you know back to startups you wrote a book on uh how to do this thing wrote a book on uh how to do this thing wrote a book on uh how to do this thing and gave a great talk on it how to do and gave a great talk on it how to do and gave a great talk on it how to do startups the book's called make startups the book's called make startups the book's called make bootstrappers handbook yeah I was bootstrappers handbook yeah I was bootstrappers handbook yeah I was wondering if you could go through some wondering if you could go through some wondering if you could go through some of the steps it's idea build launch grow of the steps it's idea build launch grow of the steps it's idea build launch grow monetize automate and exit there's a lot monetize automate and exit there's a lot monetize automate and exit there's a lot of fascinating ideas in each one so idea of fascinating ideas in each one so idea of fascinating ideas in each one so idea stage yeah how do you find a good idea stage yeah how do you find a good idea stage yeah how do you find a good idea so I think you need to be able to spot so I think you need to be able to spot so I think you need to be able to spot problems so for example you can go in problems so for example you can go in problems so for example you can go in your daily life like when you wake up your daily life like when you wake up your daily life like when you wake up and you're like what is stuff that I'm and you're like what is stuff that I'm and you're like what is stuff that I'm really annoyed with that's like um in my really annoyed with that's like um in my really annoyed with that's like um in my daily life that doesn't function well daily life that doesn't function well daily life that doesn't function well and that's a problem that you can see and that's a problem that you can see and that's a problem that you can see okay maybe that's something I can add okay maybe that's something I can add okay maybe that's something I can add right code about you know code for and right code about you know code for and right code about you know code for and it will make my life easier so I would it will make my life easier so I would it will make my life easier so I would say make like a list of all these say make like a list of all these say make like a list of all these problems you have and like idea to solve problems you have and like idea to solve problems you have and like idea to solve it and see which one is like viable you

it and see which one is like viable you it and see which one is like viable you can actually do something and then start can actually do something and then start can actually do something and then start building it so that's that's a really building it so that's that's a really building it so that's that's a really good place to start good place to start good place to start become open to all the problems in your become open to all the problems in your become open to all the problems in your life like actually start noticing them I life like actually start noticing them I life like actually start noticing them I think that's actually not a trivial think that's actually not a trivial think that's actually not a trivial thing to do to realize that some aspects thing to do to realize that some aspects thing to do to realize that some aspects of your life could be done way way of your life could be done way way of your life could be done way way better yeah cuz we kind of very quickly better yeah cuz we kind of very quickly better yeah cuz we kind of very quickly get accustomed to discomforts exactly uh get accustomed to discomforts exactly uh get accustomed to discomforts exactly uh like for example like door knobs yeah like for example like door knobs yeah like for example like door knobs yeah like design of certain things like new like design of certain things like new like design of certain things like new cream and door off well that when I know cream and door off well that when I know cream and door off well that when I know how much uh incredible design work has how much uh incredible design work has how much uh incredible design work has gone into it's really interesting doors gone into it's really interesting doors gone into it's really interesting doors and door knobs just the Design of and door knobs just the Design of and door knobs just the Design of Everyday Things forks and spoons it's Everyday Things forks and spoons it's Everyday Things forks and spoons it's going to be hard to come up with a fork going to be hard to come up with a fork going to be hard to come up with a fork that's better than the current Fork that's better than the current Fork that's better than the current Fork designs yeah and the other aspect of it designs yeah and the other aspect of it designs yeah and the other aspect of it is you're saying like in order to come is you're saying like in order to come is you're saying like in order to come up with interesting ideas you got to try up with interesting ideas you got to try up with interesting ideas you got to try to live a more interesting life yeah but to live a more interesting life yeah but to live a more interesting life yeah but that's where travel comes in yeah that's where travel comes in yeah that's where travel comes in yeah because when I started traveling I because when I started traveling I because when I started traveling I started seeing stuff in other countries started seeing stuff in other countries started seeing stuff in other countries that you didn't have in Europe for that you didn't have in Europe for that you didn't have in Europe for example or America even like if you go example or America even like if you go example or America even like if you go to Asia uh like dude especially 10 years to Asia uh like dude especially 10 years to Asia uh like dude especially 10 years ago nobody knew about this like weads ago nobody knew about this like weads ago nobody knew about this like weads all these apps that they already had all these apps that they already had all these apps that they already had before we had them these everything apps before we had them these everything apps before we had them these everything apps right like now elon's trying to make X right like now elon's trying to make X right like now elon's trying to make X this everything app like WeChat the same this everything app like WeChat the same this everything app like WeChat the same thing like in Indonesia or tand do you thing like in Indonesia or tand do you thing like in Indonesia or tand do you have one app that you can order food have one app that you can order food have one app that you can order food with you can order groceries you can with you can order groceries you can with you can order groceries you can order massage uh you can order car order massage uh you can order car order massage uh you can order car mechanic um anything you can think of is mechanic um anything you can think of is mechanic um anything you can think of is in the app and that stuff for example in the app and that stuff for example in the app and that stuff for example you you know that's called like

you you know that's called like you you know that's called like Arbitrage you can go to back to your Arbitrage you can go to back to your Arbitrage you can go to back to your country and build that same app for your country and build that same app for your country and build that same app for your country for example so you start seeing country for example so you start seeing country for example so you start seeing um problems you start seeing solutions um problems you start seeing solutions um problems you start seeing solutions that other countries already other that other countries already other that other countries already other people already did in the rest of the people already did in the rest of the people already did in the rest of the world and also traveling in general just world and also traveling in general just world and also traveling in general just gives you more problems cuz travel is gives you more problems cuz travel is gives you more problems cuz travel is uncomfortable you know um airports are uncomfortable you know um airports are uncomfortable you know um airports are horrible airplanes are not comfortable horrible airplanes are not comfortable horrible airplanes are not comfortable either there's a lot of problems you either there's a lot of problems you either there's a lot of problems you start seeing just getting out of your start seeing just getting out of your start seeing just getting out of your house you know but also you can I mean house you know but also you can I mean house you know but also you can I mean in the digital world you can just go in the digital world you can just go in the digital world you can just go into different communities and see what into different communities and see what into different communities and see what can be improved by the in that yeah yeah can be improved by the in that yeah yeah can be improved by the in that yeah yeah but what specifically is your process of but what specifically is your process of but what specifically is your process of generating ideas do you like do idea generating ideas do you like do idea generating ideas do you like do idea dumps like do you have a document where dumps like do you have a document where dumps like do you have a document where you just keep writing yeah I used to you just keep writing yeah I used to you just keep writing yeah I used to have like a because when I was when I have like a because when I was when I have like a because when I was when I wasn't making money I was trying to like wasn't making money I was trying to like wasn't making money I was trying to like make this list of ideas to see like so I make this list of ideas to see like so I make this list of ideas to see like so I need to build I was thinking need to build I was thinking need to build I was thinking statistically already like I need to statistically already like I need to statistically already like I need to build all these things and one of these build all these things and one of these build all these things and one of these will work out probably you know so I will work out probably you know so I will work out probably you know so I need to have a lot of things to try um need to have a lot of things to try um need to have a lot of things to try um and I did that right now I think like and I did that right now I think like and I did that right now I think like because I already have money I can do because I already have money I can do because I already have money I can do more things uh based on technology so more things uh based on technology so more things uh based on technology so for example AI when I found out about for example AI when I found out about for example AI when I found out about when stable diffusion came or C gbt and when stable diffusion came or C gbt and when stable diffusion came or C gbt and stuff all this thing all these things stuff all this thing all these things stuff all this thing all these things were were were like I didn't start working with them like I didn't start working with them like I didn't start working with them because I had a problem I had no because I had a problem I had no because I had a problem I had no problems but I was very curious about problems but I was very curious about problems but I was very curious about technology and I was like playing with technology and I was like playing with technology and I was like playing with it and figuring out like first just it and figuring out like first just it and figuring out like first just playing with it and then and then you playing with it and then and then you playing with it and then and then you find something like okay this generates find something like okay this generates find something like okay this generates St Fusion generates houses very St Fusion generates houses very St Fusion generates houses very beautiful and Interiors you know so it's beautiful and Interiors you know so it's beautiful and Interiors you know so it's less about problem solving it's more less about problem solving it's more less about problem solving it's more about the possibilities of new things

about the possibilities of new things about the possibilities of new things you can create yeah but that's very you can create yeah but that's very you can create yeah but that's very risky because that's the G is like a risky because that's the G is like a risky because that's the G is like a solution trying to find a problem yeah solution trying to find a problem yeah solution trying to find a problem yeah and usually it doesn't work and that's and usually it doesn't work and that's and usually it doesn't work and that's very common with with startup FS I think very common with with startup FS I think very common with with startup FS I think they they have Tech but actually people they they have Tech but actually people they they have Tech but actually people don't need to Tech right can you don't need to Tech right can you don't need to Tech right can you actually explain it'd be cool to talk actually explain it'd be cool to talk actually explain it'd be cool to talk about some of the stuff you created can about some of the stuff you created can about some of the stuff you created can you explain um this photo.com yeah yeah you explain um this photo.com yeah yeah you explain um this photo.com yeah yeah so it's like fire your photographer the so it's like fire your photographer the so it's like fire your photographer the idea is like you don't need a idea is like you don't need a idea is like you don't need a photographer anymore you can train photographer anymore you can train photographer anymore you can train yourself as AI model and you can take as yourself as AI model and you can take as yourself as AI model and you can take as many photos you want anywhere in any many photos you want anywhere in any many photos you want anywhere in any clothes uh with facial expressions like clothes uh with facial expressions like clothes uh with facial expressions like happy or sad or poses uh all this stuff happy or sad or poses uh all this stuff happy or sad or poses uh all this stuff so how does how does it work so this is so how does how does it work so this is so how does how does it work so this is uh you send me a link to a gallery of uh you send me a link to a gallery of uh you send me a link to a gallery of ones done on me which is so on the left ones done on me which is so on the left ones done on me which is so on the left you have the prompts the Box yeah so you you have the prompts the Box yeah so you you have the prompts the Box yeah so you can write like so model is your model can write like so model is your model can write like so model is your model this Lex Freedman so you can write like this Lex Freedman so you can write like this Lex Freedman so you can write like model as a blah blah blah whatever you model as a blah blah blah whatever you model as a blah blah blah whatever you want y then press the button and it will want y then press the button and it will want y then press the button and it will take photos take will take like photos take photos take will take like photos take photos take will take like photos what are you using for the hosting for what are you using for the hosting for what are you using for the hosting for the compute replicates okay replicate the compute replicates okay replicate the compute replicates okay replicate decom they're very very goods okay it's decom they're very very goods okay it's decom they're very very goods okay it's cool like this interface wise it's cool cool like this interface wise it's cool cool like this interface wise it's cool that you're showing how long it's going that you're showing how long it's going that you're showing how long it's going to take this is amazing so it's taking a to take this is amazing so it's taking a to take this is amazing so it's taking a I'm presuming you just loaded in a few I'm presuming you just loaded in a few I'm presuming you just loaded in a few pictures from the internet yeah so I pictures from the internet yeah so I pictures from the internet yeah so I went to Google images St in Lex Freedman went to Google images St in Lex Freedman went to Google images St in Lex Freedman I added like 10 or 20 images you can I added like 10 or 20 images you can I added like 10 or 20 images you can open them in the gallery and you can use open them in the gallery and you can use open them in the gallery and you can use your cursors to yeah so some don't look your cursors to yeah so some don't look your cursors to yeah so some don't look like you so the hit or miss rate is like like you so the hit or miss rate is like like you so the hit or miss rate is like I don't know say like 50/50 or something I don't know say like 50/50 or something I don't know say like 50/50 or something but when I was watching your Tweet like

but when I was watching your Tweet like but when I was watching your Tweet like it's been getting better and better and it's been getting better and better and it's been getting better and better and better it was very bad in beginning it better it was very bad in beginning it better it was very bad in beginning it was so bad but still people sign up to was so bad but still people sign up to was so bad but still people sign up to it you know it you know it you know uh there's there's two luxes is great uh there's there's two luxes is great uh there's there's two luxes is great it's getting more and more sexual it's it's getting more and more sexual it's it's getting more and more sexual it's making me very uncomfortable man but making me very uncomfortable man but making me very uncomfortable man but that's the problem with these models cuz that's the problem with these models cuz that's the problem with these models cuz no we need to talk about this cuz the no we need to talk about this cuz the no we need to talk about this cuz the models the fusion yeah so the models the fusion yeah so the models the fusion yeah so the photorealistic models that are like fine photorealistic models that are like fine photorealistic models that are like fine tuned they were all trained on porn in tuned they were all trained on porn in tuned they were all trained on porn in the beginning and there was a guy called the beginning and there was a guy called the beginning and there was a guy called Hassan so I was trying to figure out how Hassan so I was trying to figure out how Hassan so I was trying to figure out how to do photo realistic AI photos and it to do photo realistic AI photos and it to do photo realistic AI photos and it was stable diffusion by itself is not was stable diffusion by itself is not was stable diffusion by itself is not doing that well like the faces look all doing that well like the faces look all doing that well like the faces look all mangled yep mangled yep mangled yep um and it doesn't have enough resolution um and it doesn't have enough resolution um and it doesn't have enough resolution or something to to do that well so but I or something to to do that well so but I or something to to do that well so but I started seeing these these um base started seeing these these um base started seeing these these um base models these fine tune models and people models these fine tune models and people models these fine tune models and people would train on porn and I would try them would train on porn and I would try them would train on porn and I would try them and they would be very photo realistic and they would be very photo realistic and they would be very photo realistic they would have bodies that actually they would have bodies that actually they would have bodies that actually made sense like body uh Anatomy um but made sense like body uh Anatomy um but made sense like body uh Anatomy um but if you look at the photorealistic models if you look at the photorealistic models if you look at the photorealistic models that people use now still there's still that people use now still there's still that people use now still there's still core of porn there like of naked people core of porn there like of naked people core of porn there like of naked people so I need to prompt out the nak and so I need to prompt out the nak and so I need to prompt out the nak and everybody needs to do this with AI everybody needs to do this with AI everybody needs to do this with AI startups with imaging you need to prompt startups with imaging you need to prompt startups with imaging you need to prompt out the naked stuff you need to put a out the naked stuff you need to put a out the naked stuff you need to put a you know naked um you have to keep you know naked um you have to keep you know naked um you have to keep reminding the model you need to put reminding the model you need to put reminding the model you need to put clothes on yeah don't put naked because clothes on yeah don't put naked because clothes on yeah don't put naked because it's very risky I have Google Vision it's very risky I have Google Vision it's very risky I have Google Vision that checks every photo before it's that checks every photo before it's that checks every photo before it's shown to the user to like check foror oh shown to the user to like check foror oh shown to the user to like check foror oh nfw detector because you get the nfw detector because you get the nfw detector because you get the journalists get very angry if they you journalists get very angry if they you journalists get very angry if they you know you if you sex there was a know you if you sex there was a know you if you sex there was a journalist I think that would got angry journalist I think that would got angry journalist I think that would got angry that used this and was like oh it it that used this and was like oh it it that used this and was like oh it it made me it showed like a nipple because made me it showed like a nipple because made me it showed like a nipple because Google Vision didn't detect it so Google Vision didn't detect it so Google Vision didn't detect it so there's like these kind of problems you there's like these kind of problems you there's like these kind of problems you need to deal with you know that's what

need to deal with you know that's what need to deal with you know that's what I'm talking about this is with cats I'm talking about this is with cats I'm talking about this is with cats but look at the cat face it's also kind but look at the cat face it's also kind but look at the cat face it's also kind of mangled you know I'm I'm uh I'm a of mangled you know I'm I'm uh I'm a of mangled you know I'm I'm uh I'm a little bit disturbed you can zoom in on little bit disturbed you can zoom in on little bit disturbed you can zoom in on the cat if you want like like yeah this the cat if you want like like yeah this the cat if you want like like yeah this is a very sad cat it doesn't have a nose is a very sad cat it doesn't have a nose is a very sad cat it doesn't have a nose it doesn't have a nose but this man but it doesn't have a nose but this man but it doesn't have a nose but this man but this is the problem with AI startups this is the problem with AI startups this is the problem with AI startups because they all act like it's perfect because they all act like it's perfect because they all act like it's perfect like this is groundbreaking and but it's like this is groundbreaking and but it's like this is groundbreaking and but it's not perfect it's like really bad you not perfect it's like really bad you not perfect it's like really bad you know half the time so if I wanted to know half the time so if I wanted to know half the time so if I wanted to sort of update model as yeah so you sort of update model as yeah so you sort of update model as yeah so you remove this stuff and you write remove this stuff and you write remove this stuff and you write like whatever you want like in Thailand like whatever you want like in Thailand like whatever you want like in Thailand or something or in Tokyo uh in Tokyo or something or in Tokyo uh in Tokyo or something or in Tokyo uh in Tokyo yeah and then you can say like at night yeah and then you can say like at night yeah and then you can say like at night with neon lights like you can add more with neon lights like you can add more with neon lights like you can add more detail to make I'll go in Austin do you detail to make I'll go in Austin do you detail to make I'll go in Austin do you think you'll know in Texas in Austin think you'll know in Texas in Austin think you'll know in Texas in Austin Texas cowboy hats in Texas yeah as a as Texas cowboy hats in Texas yeah as a as Texas cowboy hats in Texas yeah as a as a cowboy as a cowboy it's going to go so cowboy as a cowboy it's going to go so uh towards the porn Direction it's it's uh towards the porn Direction it's it's uh towards the porn Direction it's it's man I hope not this is the end of my man I hope not this is the end of my man I hope not this is the end of my career career career or the beginning it depends we can send or the beginning it depends we can send or the beginning it depends we can send you a push notification when your photos you a push notification when your photos you a push notification when your photos are done all right are done all right are done all right cool yeah let's see oh wow so this whole cool yeah let's see oh wow so this whole cool yeah let's see oh wow so this whole interface you've built this is really interface you've built this is really interface you've built this is really well done J cury so I still use J cury well done J cury so I still use J cury well done J cury so I still use J cury the only one still after this day you're the only one still after this day you're the only one still after this day you're not the only one the entire of the web not the only one the entire of the web not the only one the entire of the web is PHP thep and jur yeah and SQL lights is PHP thep and jur yeah and SQL lights is PHP thep and jur yeah and SQL lights you're just like one of the top you're just like one of the top you're just like one of the top performers from a programming performers from a programming performers from a programming perspective that are still like openly

perspective that are still like openly perspective that are still like openly talking about it but every everyone's talking about it but every everyone's talking about it but every everyone's using PHP like if you look most of the using PHP like if you look most of the using PHP like if you look most of the web is still probably PHP 70% it's web is still probably PHP 70% it's web is still probably PHP 70% it's because of Wordpress right cuz the blogs because of Wordpress right cuz the blogs because of Wordpress right cuz the blogs are that's true yeah um true I'm seeing are that's true yeah um true I'm seeing are that's true yeah um true I'm seeing a Revival now people are getting sick of a Revival now people are getting sick of a Revival now people are getting sick of Frameworks um like all the JavaScript Frameworks um like all the JavaScript Frameworks um like all the JavaScript Frameworks are so like what do you Frameworks are so like what do you Frameworks are so like what do you called like wieldy like they're so it called like wieldy like they're so it called like wieldy like they're so it takes so much work to just maintain this takes so much work to just maintain this takes so much work to just maintain this code and then it updates to a new code and then it updates to a new code and then it updates to a new version you to change everything BEP version you to change everything BEP version you to change everything BEP just stays the same and works yeah and just stays the same and works yeah and just stays the same and works yeah and can you actually just speak to that can you actually just speak to that can you actually just speak to that stack you you build all your websites stack you you build all your websites stack you you build all your websites apps startups projects all of that with apps startups projects all of that with apps startups projects all of that with mostly vanilla HTML yeah uh JavaScript mostly vanilla HTML yeah uh JavaScript mostly vanilla HTML yeah uh JavaScript with J jQuery PHP and cool white so that with J jQuery PHP and cool white so that with J jQuery PHP and cool white so that that's a really simple stack and you get that's a really simple stack and you get that's a really simple stack and you get stuff done really fast that can you just stuff done really fast that can you just stuff done really fast that can you just speak to the philosophy behind that I speak to the philosophy behind that I speak to the philosophy behind that I think it's accidental because that's the think it's accidental because that's the think it's accidental because that's the thing I I knew like I knew PHP I knew thing I I knew like I knew PHP I knew thing I I knew like I knew PHP I knew HML um CSS you know because you make HML um CSS you know because you make HML um CSS you know because you make websites and when my startup started websites and when my startup started websites and when my startup started taken off I didn't have time to I taken off I didn't have time to I taken off I didn't have time to I remember putting on my to-do list like remember putting on my to-do list like remember putting on my to-do list like learn node.js cuz I it's important to learn node.js cuz I it's important to learn node.js cuz I it's important to switch you know cuz this obviously is switch you know cuz this obviously is switch you know cuz this obviously is much better language than PHP and I much better language than PHP and I much better language than PHP and I never learned it I never did it uh never learned it I never did it uh never learned it I never did it uh because the time I I these things were because the time I I these things were because the time I I these things were growing like this and I was launching growing like this and I was launching growing like this and I was launching more project and I never had time it's more project and I never had time it's more project and I never had time it's like one day you know I'll I'll start like one day you know I'll I'll start like one day you know I'll I'll start coding properly and I never got to it I coding properly and I never got to it I coding properly and I never got to it I I sometimes wonder if I need to learn I sometimes wonder if I need to learn I sometimes wonder if I need to learn that stuff it's still to-do atem for me that stuff it's still to-do atem for me that stuff it's still to-do atem for me to really learn node.js or or flask or

to really learn node.js or or flask or to really learn node.js or or flask or these kind of react yeah react and it's these kind of react yeah react and it's these kind of react yeah react and it's there it feels like a responsible there it feels like a responsible there it feels like a responsible software engineer should know how to use software engineer should know how to use software engineer should know how to use these but you can get stuff these but you can get stuff these but you can get stuff done so fast with vanilla versions of done so fast with vanilla versions of done so fast with vanilla versions of stuff yeah it's like software developers stuff yeah it's like software developers stuff yeah it's like software developers if you want to get a job and there's if you want to get a job and there's if you want to get a job and there's like you know people making stuff like like you know people making stuff like like you know people making stuff like startups and if you want to be startups and if you want to be startups and if you want to be entrepreneur probably you maybe entrepreneur probably you maybe entrepreneur probably you maybe shouldn't I wonder if there's like I shouldn't I wonder if there's like I shouldn't I wonder if there's like I really want to measure performance and really want to measure performance and really want to measure performance and speed I think there's a deep wisdom in speed I think there's a deep wisdom in speed I think there's a deep wisdom in that yeah I do think that Frameworks and that yeah I do think that Frameworks and that yeah I do think that Frameworks and just constantly wanting to learn the new just constantly wanting to learn the new just constantly wanting to learn the new thing this complicated way of software thing this complicated way of software thing this complicated way of software engineering gets in the way I'm not sure engineering gets in the way I'm not sure engineering gets in the way I'm not sure what to say about that because what to say about that because what to say about that because definitely like you shouldn't build definitely like you shouldn't build definitely like you shouldn't build everything from just vanilla JavaScript everything from just vanilla JavaScript everything from just vanilla JavaScript or vanilla C for example C++ When You're or vanilla C for example C++ When You're or vanilla C for example C++ When You're Building Systems engineering is like Building Systems engineering is like Building Systems engineering is like there's a lot of benefits for a pointer there's a lot of benefits for a pointer there's a lot of benefits for a pointer safety all that kind of stuff so I I safety all that kind of stuff so I I safety all that kind of stuff so I I don't know but it just feels like you don't know but it just feels like you don't know but it just feels like you can get so much more stuff done if you can get so much more stuff done if you can get so much more stuff done if you don't care about how you do it man this don't care about how you do it man this don't care about how you do it man this is my most controversial take I think is my most controversial take I think is my most controversial take I think and maybe I'm wrong but I feel like and maybe I'm wrong but I feel like and maybe I'm wrong but I feel like there's Frameworks now that raise money there's Frameworks now that raise money there's Frameworks now that raise money they raise a lot of money like they they raise a lot of money like they they raise a lot of money like they raise 50 million 100 million 300 million raise 50 million 100 million 300 million raise 50 million 100 million 300 million dollars and the idea is that you need to dollars and the idea is that you need to dollars and the idea is that you need to make the developers the new developers make the developers the new developers make the developers the new developers like when you're 18 or 20 years old like when you're 18 or 20 years old like when you're 18 or 20 years old right um get them to use this framework right um get them to use this framework right um get them to use this framework and then add a platform to it like where and then add a platform to it like where and then add a platform to it like where the framework can it's open source but

the framework can it's open source but the framework can it's open source but you probably should use the platform you probably should use the platform you probably should use the platform which is paid to use it and the the cost which is paid to use it and the the cost which is paid to use it and the the cost of the platforms to host it are a of the platforms to host it are a of the platforms to host it are a thousand times higher than just hosting thousand times higher than just hosting thousand times higher than just hosting it on a simple AWS server or VPS on it on a simple AWS server or VPS on it on a simple AWS server or VPS on digital ocean right um so there's digital ocean right um so there's digital ocean right um so there's obviously like a monetary incentive here obviously like a monetary incentive here obviously like a monetary incentive here like we want to get a lot of developers like we want to get a lot of developers like we want to get a lot of developers to use this technology and then we need to use this technology and then we need to use this technology and then we need to charge them money because they're to charge them money because they're to charge them money because they're going to use it in startups and then the going to use it in startups and then the going to use it in startups and then the starts can pay for the bills um but what starts can pay for the bills um but what starts can pay for the bills um but what that it kind of destroys the that it kind of destroys the that it kind of destroys the the information out there about learning the information out there about learning the information out there about learning to code because they you know they pay to code because they you know they pay to code because they you know they pay YouTubers they pay influencers developer YouTubers they pay influencers developer YouTubers they pay influencers developer influen is a big thing to like um and influen is a big thing to like um and influen is a big thing to like um and same thing what happens with like uh same thing what happens with like uh same thing what happens with like uh nutrition in Fitness or something same nutrition in Fitness or something same nutrition in Fitness or something same thing happens in developing they pay thing happens in developing they pay thing happens in developing they pay this influen to promote the stuff use it this influen to promote the stuff use it this influen to promote the stuff use it make stuff with it make demo product make stuff with it make demo product make stuff with it make demo product with it and then a lot of people like with it and then a lot of people like with it and then a lot of people like wow uh use this and I started noticing wow uh use this and I started noticing wow uh use this and I started noticing this because when I was ship my stuff this because when I was ship my stuff this because when I was ship my stuff people would ask me what are you using I people would ask me what are you using I people would ask me what are you using I I would say I just PHP JQ why does it I would say I just PHP JQ why does it I would say I just PHP JQ why does it matter and people would start kind of matter and people would start kind of matter and people would start kind of attacking me like why are you not using attacking me like why are you not using attacking me like why are you not using this new technology this new framework this new technology this new framework this new technology this new framework this new thing and I say I don't know this new thing and I say I don't know this new thing and I say I don't know cuz this PHP thing works and I don't cuz this PHP thing works and I don't cuz this PHP thing works and I don't really I'm optimizing for anything just really I'm optimizing for anything just really I'm optimizing for anything just doing it just works and I never doing it just works and I never doing it just works and I never understood like why uh like I understand understood like why uh like I understand understood like why uh like I understand there's new technologies that are better there's new technologies that are better there's new technologies that are better and it should be Improvement but I'm and it should be Improvement but I'm and it should be Improvement but I'm very suspicious of money just like very suspicious of money just like very suspicious of money just like lobbying there's money in this developer lobbying there's money in this developer lobbying there's money in this developer framework scene there's hundreds of framework scene there's hundreds of framework scene there's hundreds of millions that goes to ads or influenc or millions that goes to ads or influenc or millions that goes to ads or influenc or whatever it can't all go to developers whatever it can't all go to developers whatever it can't all go to developers you don't need Developers for framework you don't need Developers for framework you don't need Developers for framework and it's open

and it's open and it's open source to make a lot of more money on source to make a lot of more money on source to make a lot of more money on these startups so that's a really good these startups so that's a really good these startups so that's a really good perspective but in addition to that is perspective but in addition to that is perspective but in addition to that is like when you say like when you say like when you say better it's better it's better it's like can we get some data on the better like can we get some data on the better like can we get some data on the better because like I want to know from the because like I want to know from the because like I want to know from the individual developer perspective and individual developer perspective and individual developer perspective and then from a team of five team of 10 team then from a team of five team of 10 team then from a team of five team of 10 team of 20 developers of 20 developers of 20 developers yeah uh measure how productive they are yeah uh measure how productive they are yeah uh measure how productive they are in uh shipping features how many bugs in uh shipping features how many bugs in uh shipping features how many bugs they create they create they create how many security holes uhp was not good how many security holes uhp was not good how many security holes uhp was not good of security for a while but now it's of security for a while but now it's of security for a while but now it's good in theory in theory is it though good in theory in theory is it though good in theory in theory is it though now no no now as as you're saying it I now no no now as as you're saying it I now no no now as as you're saying it I want to know if that's true because PHP want to know if that's true because PHP want to know if that's true because PHP was just the majority of websites on the was just the majority of websites on the was just the majority of websites on the internet could be true is it just over internet could be true is it just over internet could be true is it just over represented same with WordPress yes represented same with WordPress yes represented same with WordPress yes there's a reputation that WordPress has there's a reputation that WordPress has there's a reputation that WordPress has a gigantic number of security holes I a gigantic number of security holes I a gigantic number of security holes I don't know if that's true I I know it don't know if that's true I I know it don't know if that's true I I know it gets attacked a lot because it's so gets attacked a lot because it's so gets attacked a lot because it's so popular it definitely does have security popular it definitely does have security popular it definitely does have security holes but maybe a lot of other systems holes but maybe a lot of other systems holes but maybe a lot of other systems have security holes as well anyway like have security holes as well anyway like have security holes as well anyway like I just sort of questioning the I just sort of questioning the I just sort of questioning the conventional wisdom that keeps wanting conventional wisdom that keeps wanting conventional wisdom that keeps wanting to push software Engineers towards to push software Engineers towards to push software Engineers towards Frameworks towards Frameworks towards Frameworks towards complex like uh super complicated sort complex like uh super complicated sort complex like uh super complicated sort of software engineering approaches that of software engineering approaches that of software engineering approaches that stretch out the the time it takes to stretch out the the time it takes to stretch out the the time it takes to actually build a thing 100% And it's the actually build a thing 100% And it's the actually build a thing 100% And it's the same thing with big corporations 80% of same thing with big corporations 80% of same thing with big corporations 80% of the people don't do anything it's like the people don't do anything it's like the people don't do anything it's like it's not efficient and and if you if it's not efficient and and if you if it's not efficient and and if you if your your your benchmark is like uh

your your your benchmark is like uh your your your benchmark is like uh people building stuff that actually gets people building stuff that actually gets people building stuff that actually gets done and like for society right like if done and like for society right like if done and like for society right like if we want to save time we should probably we want to save time we should probably we want to save time we should probably use technology that's use technology that's use technology that's um that's simple that's pragmatic that's um that's simple that's pragmatic that's um that's simple that's pragmatic that's like that works uh that's not overly like that works uh that's not overly like that works uh that's not overly complicated doesn't make your life like complicated doesn't make your life like complicated doesn't make your life like a living hell you know and use a a living hell you know and use a a living hell you know and use a framework when it obviously solves a framework when it obviously solves a framework when it obviously solves a problem a direct problem that you of problem a direct problem that you of problem a direct problem that you of course you yeah of course I'm not saying course you yeah of course I'm not saying course you yeah of course I'm not saying you should code without a framework you you should code without a framework you you should code without a framework you should use whatever you want should use whatever you want should use whatever you want but yeah I think it's suspicious you but yeah I think it's suspicious you but yeah I think it's suspicious you know and um and I think when I talk know and um and I think when I talk know and um and I think when I talk about on Twitter like there's a lot this about on Twitter like there's a lot this about on Twitter like there's a lot this this Army comes out you know this this this Army comes out you know this this this Army comes out you know this this these framework armies yeah man these framework armies yeah man these framework armies yeah man something my gut tells me you I want to something my gut tells me you I want to something my gut tells me you I want to ask the framework Army what have they ask the framework Army what have they ask the framework Army what have they built this week it's the Elon question built this week it's the Elon question built this week it's the Elon question what did you do this week yeah did you what did you do this week yeah did you what did you do this week yeah did you make money with it you know did you make money with it you know did you make money with it you know did you charge users is it a real business and charge users is it a real business and charge users is it a real business and um yeah uh so going back to the Cowboy um yeah uh so going back to the Cowboy um yeah uh so going back to the Cowboy first of all some don't look like you first of all some don't look like you first of all some don't look like you right but some do every aspect of this right but some do every aspect of this right but some do every aspect of this is pretty incredible I'm also just is pretty incredible I'm also just is pretty incredible I'm also just looking at the interface it's really looking at the interface it's really looking at the interface it's really well done so this is all just jQuery and well done so this is all just jQuery and well done so this is all just jQuery and yeah this is really well done so like yeah this is really well done so like yeah this is really well done so like tell take me through the Journey of tell take me through the Journey of tell take me through the Journey of photo AI like you don't know much most photo AI like you don't know much most photo AI like you don't know much most of the world doesn't know much about uh of the world doesn't know much about uh of the world doesn't know much about uh stable diffusion or any of this any of stable diffusion or any of this any of stable diffusion or any of this any of the generative AI stuff and so you're the generative AI stuff and so you're the generative AI stuff and so you're thinking okay how can I build cool stuff thinking okay how can I build cool stuff thinking okay how can I build cool stuff with this what was the origin story of with this what was the origin story of with this what was the origin story of photo AI I think uh it started cuz photo AI I think uh it started cuz photo AI I think uh it started cuz stable diffusion came out so stable stable diffusion came out so stable stable diffusion came out so stable diffusion is like this the first like diffusion is like this the first like diffusion is like this the first like generative image mod model AI model and generative image mod model AI model and generative image mod model AI model and um I started playing with it like you um I started playing with it like you um I started playing with it like you could install it on your Mac like

could install it on your Mac like could install it on your Mac like somebody forked it and made it work for somebody forked it and made it work for somebody forked it and made it work for MacBooks so I downloaded it and uh MacBooks so I downloaded it and uh MacBooks so I downloaded it and uh cloned the repo and started using it to cloned the repo and started using it to cloned the repo and started using it to generate images um and it was like generate images um and it was like generate images um and it was like amazing like it would I found it on amazing like it would I found it on amazing like it would I found it on Twitter because you see things happen on Twitter because you see things happen on Twitter because you see things happen on Twitter and I I would post what I was Twitter and I I would post what I was Twitter and I I would post what I was making on Twitter as well and you could making on Twitter as well and you could making on Twitter as well and you could make any image you could write a prompt make any image you could write a prompt make any image you could write a prompt to essentially write a prompt and then to essentially write a prompt and then to essentially write a prompt and then it generates a photo of that or image of it generates a photo of that or image of it generates a photo of that or image of that um in any style like they would use that um in any style like they would use that um in any style like they would use like artist names to make like a Picasso like artist names to make like a Picasso like artist names to make like a Picasso kind of style and stuff um and I was kind of style and stuff um and I was kind of style and stuff um and I was trying to see like what is it good at is trying to see like what is it good at is trying to see like what is it good at is it good at people no it's really bad at it good at people no it's really bad at it good at people no it's really bad at people but it was good at houses so people but it was good at houses so people but it was good at houses so architecture for example I would architecture for example I would architecture for example I would generate like architecture houses um so generate like architecture houses um so generate like architecture houses um so I made a website called this house does I made a website called this house does I made a website called this house does exist. org and it generated like they exist. org and it generated like they exist. org and it generated like they called like house porn and that one like called like house porn and that one like called like house porn and that one like house porn it's like a subreddit so and house porn it's like a subreddit so and house porn it's like a subreddit so and this was stable diffusion like the first this was stable diffusion like the first this was stable diffusion like the first version so looks really you can click version so looks really you can click version so looks really you can click for another photo so it generates like for another photo so it generates like for another photo so it generates like all these kind of non-existing houses it all these kind of non-existing houses it all these kind of non-existing houses it is house point but it looked kind of is house point but it looked kind of is house point but it looked kind of good you know like especially back then good you know like especially back then good you know like especially back then now things look much now things look much now things look much better um this really really well better um this really really well better um this really really well done wow and it also generates like a done wow and it also generates like a done wow and it also generates like a description and you can up vote is it description and you can up vote is it description and you can up vote is it nice up vote it man there's so much to nice up vote it man there's so much to nice up vote it man there's so much to talk to you about like the choices here talk to you about like the choices here talk to you about like the choices here is this is very Scrappy in the bottom is this is very Scrappy in the bottom is this is very Scrappy in the bottom there's like a ranking of the most up there's like a ranking of the most up there's like a ranking of the most up voted houses so these are the top voted

voted houses so these are the top voted voted houses so these are the top voted if you go to old time you see quite if you go to old time you see quite if you go to old time you see quite beautiful beautiful beautiful ones yeah so this one is my favorite the ones yeah so this one is my favorite the ones yeah so this one is my favorite the number one it's like kind of like a um number one it's like kind of like a um number one it's like kind of like a um how is this not more popular it was how is this not more popular it was how is this not more popular it was really popular for like a while but then really popular for like a while but then really popular for like a while but then people got so bored of it I think cuz I people got so bored of it I think cuz I people got so bored of it I think cuz I was getting bored of it too like just was getting bored of it too like just was getting bored of it too like just continuous house porn like everything continuous house porn like everything continuous house porn like everything starts looking the same but then I starts looking the same but then I starts looking the same but then I thought it was really good at interior thought it was really good at interior thought it was really good at interior so I pivoted to interior ai.com so I pivoted to interior ai.com so I pivoted to interior ai.com where um I tried to like upload first where um I tried to like upload first where um I tried to like upload first generate interior designs and then I generate interior designs and then I generate interior designs and then I tried to do like there was a new tried to do like there was a new tried to do like there was a new technology called image to image where technology called image to image where technology called image to image where you can input an image like a photo and you can input an image like a photo and you can input an image like a photo and it would kind of modify the thing mhm so it would kind of modify the thing mhm so it would kind of modify the thing mhm so you see it looks almost the same as you see it looks almost the same as you see it looks almost the same as photo it's the same code essentially um photo it's the same code essentially um photo it's the same code essentially um nice so I would I would upload a photo nice so I would I would upload a photo nice so I would I would upload a photo of my interior where I lived and I would of my interior where I lived and I would of my interior where I lived and I would ask like change this into like a I don't ask like change this into like a I don't ask like change this into like a I don't know like maximalist design you know and know like maximalist design you know and know like maximalist design you know and it worked and it worked really well so I it worked and it worked really well so I it worked and it worked really well so I was like okay this is a startup because was like okay this is a startup because was like okay this is a startup because obviously interior design Ai and obviously interior design Ai and obviously interior design Ai and nobody's doing that yet so I launched nobody's doing that yet so I launched nobody's doing that yet so I launched this and it was successful and made like this and it was successful and made like this and it was successful and made like in within a week made 10K 20K a month in within a week made 10K 20K a month in within a week made 10K 20K a month and now still makes like 40K 50k a month and now still makes like 40K 50k a month and now still makes like 40K 50k a month uh and it's been like two years so then uh and it's been like two years so then uh and it's been like two years so then I was like how can I improve this I was like how can I improve this I was like how can I improve this interior design I need to start learning interior design I need to start learning interior design I need to start learning fine-tuning and fine tuning is where you fine-tuning and fine tuning is where you fine-tuning and fine tuning is where you have this existing AI model and you fine have this existing AI model and you fine have this existing AI model and you fine tune it on the specific goal you wanted tune it on the specific goal you wanted tune it on the specific goal you wanted to do so I would find really beautiful to do so I would find really beautiful to do so I would find really beautiful interor design make a gallery and um interor design make a gallery and um interor design make a gallery and um train a new model that was very good at train a new model that was very good at train a new model that was very good at interior design and it worked and I used

interior design and it worked and I used interior design and it worked and I used that as well and then for fun I uploaded that as well and then for fun I uploaded that as well and then for fun I uploaded photos of photos of photos of myself and here's where it happened uh myself and here's where it happened uh myself and here's where it happened uh and to train myself like and this would and to train myself like and this would and to train myself like and this would never work obviously and it worked and never work obviously and it worked and never work obviously and it worked and actually it started understanding me as actually it started understanding me as actually it started understanding me as a concept so my face worked and and you a concept so my face worked and and you a concept so my face worked and and you could do like different styles like me could do like different styles like me could do like different styles like me as a like very cheesy medieval warrior as a like very cheesy medieval warrior as a like very cheesy medieval warrior all this stuff so I was like this is all this stuff so I was like this is all this stuff so I was like this is another a startup so now I Avatar ai. me another a startup so now I Avatar ai. me another a startup so now I Avatar ai. me I couldn't get the do and this was uh I couldn't get the do and this was uh I couldn't get the do and this was uh this was yeah Avatar ai. me well now it this was yeah Avatar ai. me well now it this was yeah Avatar ai. me well now it forwards to phot because I pivoted got forwards to phot because I pivoted got forwards to phot because I pivoted got it but this was more like it but this was more like it but this was more like cheesy thing so this is very interesting cheesy thing so this is very interesting cheesy thing so this is very interesting because this went so viral it made like because this went so viral it made like because this went so viral it made like I think like 150k in a week or something I think like 150k in a week or something I think like 150k in a week or something it's the most money I ever made and um it's the most money I ever made and um it's the most money I ever made and um and then big this is very interesting and then big this is very interesting and then big this is very interesting the big VC companies like lenza which the big VC companies like lenza which the big VC companies like lenza which are much better at iOS and stuff than me are much better at iOS and stuff than me are much better at iOS and stuff than me I didn't have IOS app they quickly build I didn't have IOS app they quickly build I didn't have IOS app they quickly build the IOS app that does the same and they the IOS app that does the same and they the IOS app that does the same and they found technology and it's all open found technology and it's all open found technology and it's all open technology so it's good and I think they technology so it's good and I think they technology so it's good and I think they made like $30 million with it yeah they made like $30 million with it yeah they made like $30 million with it yeah they they became like the top grossing app they became like the top grossing app they became like the top grossing app after that um and it was how how do you after that um and it was how how do you after that um and it was how how do you feel about that I think it's amazing feel about that I think it's amazing feel about that I think it's amazing honestly and it's not like you didn't honestly and it's not like you didn't honestly and it's not like you didn't have like a feeling like ah fuck no I have like a feeling like ah fuck no I have like a feeling like ah fuck no I was a little bit like sad cuz all my was a little bit like sad cuz all my was a little bit like sad cuz all my products would work out and I never had products would work out and I never had products would work out and I never had like real Fierce competition and now I like real Fierce competition and now I like real Fierce competition and now I have like Fierce competition from like a have like Fierce competition from like a have like Fierce competition from like a a very skilled High sent like iOS a very skilled High sent like iOS a very skilled High sent like iOS Developer Studio or something that and Developer Studio or something that and Developer Studio or something that and and they already had an app they had an and they already had an app they had an and they already had an app they had an app in the app store for like um I think

app in the app store for like um I think app in the app store for like um I think retouching your face or something so retouching your face or something so retouching your face or something so they were very smart they add these they were very smart they add these they were very smart they add these avatars to there it's a feature they had avatars to there it's a feature they had avatars to there it's a feature they had the users they do a push notification to the users they do a push notification to the users they do a push notification to everybody who have these avatars Yeah everybody who have these avatars Yeah everybody who have these avatars Yeah man they made C I think they made they man they made C I think they made they man they made C I think they made they made so much money and um I think they made so much money and um I think they made so much money and um I think they did a really great job and uh I also did a really great job and uh I also did a really great job and uh I also made a lot of money with it but that was made a lot of money with it but that was made a lot of money with it but that was I I I quickly realized it wasn't my I I I quickly realized it wasn't my I I I quickly realized it wasn't my thing because it was so cheesy it was thing because it was so cheesy it was thing because it was so cheesy it was like kit you know it's kind of like um like kit you know it's kind of like um like kit you know it's kind of like um me as a Barbie or me as a you know it me as a Barbie or me as a you know it me as a Barbie or me as a you know it was too cheesy I wanted to go for like was too cheesy I wanted to go for like was too cheesy I wanted to go for like what's a real problem we can solve what's a real problem we can solve what's a real problem we can solve because this is going to be a hype this because this is going to be a hype this because this is going to be a hype this is going to be and it was a hype this is going to be and it was a hype this is going to be and it was a hype this Avatar um it's like let's do real Avatar um it's like let's do real Avatar um it's like let's do real photography like how can you make people photography like how can you make people photography like how can you make people look really photorealistic and it was look really photorealistic and it was look really photorealistic and it was difficult and that's why these offs word difficult and that's why these offs word difficult and that's why these offs word because they were all like in a Cheesy because they were all like in a Cheesy because they were all like in a Cheesy you know Picasso style and art is easy you know Picasso style and art is easy you know Picasso style and art is easy because you interpret the the all the because you interpret the the all the because you interpret the the all the problems that AI has with your face are problems that AI has with your face are problems that AI has with your face are like artistic you know if you call it like artistic you know if you call it like artistic you know if you call it Picasso but if you make a real photo all Picasso but if you make a real photo all Picasso but if you make a real photo all the problems with your face like it just the problems with your face like it just the problems with your face like it just you look wrong you know mhm so I started you look wrong you know mhm so I started you look wrong you know mhm so I started making photo AI which was like a pivot making photo AI which was like a pivot making photo AI which was like a pivot of it where it was like a photo studio of it where it was like a photo studio of it where it was like a photo studio um where you could take photos without um where you could take photos without um where you could take photos without actually needing a photographer needing actually needing a photographer needing actually needing a photographer needing a studio you don't just you know you a studio you don't just you know you a studio you don't just you know you just type it and I've been working on it just type it and I've been working on it just type it and I've been working on it for like the last yeah it's really for like the last yeah it's really for like the last yeah it's really incredible that journey is really incredible that journey is really incredible that journey is really incredible let's go to the beginning of incredible let's go to the beginning of incredible let's go to the beginning of photo AI though cuz I remember seeing a photo AI though cuz I remember seeing a photo AI though cuz I remember seeing a lot of re really hilarious photos I lot of re really hilarious photos I lot of re really hilarious photos I think you were using yourself as a case think you were using yourself as a case think you were using yourself as a case study right yeah yeah so what uh there's study right yeah yeah so what uh there's study right yeah yeah so what uh there's a tweet here a tweet here a tweet here sold

sold sold $100,000 in AI generated avatars yeah $100,000 in AI generated avatars yeah $100,000 in AI generated avatars yeah it's a lot like it's a lot for anybody it's a lot like it's a lot for anybody it's a lot like it's a lot for anybody it's a lot for me like uh making 10K a it's a lot for me like uh making 10K a it's a lot for me like uh making 10K a day on this you know that's day on this you know that's day on this you know that's amazing that's amazing and then the amazing that's amazing and then the amazing that's amazing and then the nested tweet like that's a launch tweet nested tweet like that's a launch tweet nested tweet like that's a launch tweet and then the before there is like the me and then the before there is like the me and then the before there is like the me hacking on it oh I see so that hacking on it oh I see so that hacking on it oh I see so that okay so October 26 2022 I trained an ml okay so October 26 2022 I trained an ml okay so October 26 2022 I trained an ml model on my model on my model on my face sure because my eyes are quite far face sure because my eyes are quite far face sure because my eyes are quite far apart I learned when I did YouTube I apart I learned when I did YouTube I apart I learned when I did YouTube I would put like a photo of like my DJ would put like a photo of like my DJ would put like a photo of like my DJ photo you know my mixure and people photo you know my mixure and people photo you know my mixure and people would say I look like a hammerhead shark would say I look like a hammerhead shark would say I look like a hammerhead shark was like the top comment so then I was like the top comment so then I was like the top comment so then I realized my eyes are far apart uh yeah realized my eyes are far apart uh yeah realized my eyes are far apart uh yeah the internet helps you realiz who how the internet helps you realiz who how the internet helps you realiz who how you look you know boy do I love the you look you know boy do I love the you look you know boy do I love the internet first first internet first first internet first first trap what what is is this wait it's trap what what is is this wait it's trap what what is is this wait it's water from the waterfall but the water from the waterfall but the water from the waterfall but the waterfall is in the back you know so waterfall is in the back you know so waterfall is in the back you know so what's going what's going what's going on so this is how much of this is real on so this is how much of this is real on so this is how much of this is real it's all AI it's all AI yeah that's it's all AI it's all AI yeah that's it's all AI it's all AI yeah that's pretty good though for the early days pretty good though for the early days pretty good though for the early days exactly so but this was hit or miss so exactly so but this was hit or miss so exactly so but this was hit or miss so you had to do love curation cuz 99% of you had to do love curation cuz 99% of you had to do love curation cuz 99% of it was really bad MH so these are the it was really bad MH so these are the it was really bad MH so these are the photos I uploaded how many photos did photos I uploaded how many photos did photos I uploaded how many photos did you use only these I will try more up to you use only these I will try more up to you use only these I will try more up to date picks later these are the these are date picks later these are the these are date picks later these are the these are the only photos you uploaded yeah wow the only photos you uploaded yeah wow the only photos you uploaded yeah wow wow wow okay so like you were learning wow wow okay so like you were learning wow wow okay so like you were learning all this super quickly what uh what are all this super quickly what uh what are all this super quickly what uh what are some like interesting details you

some like interesting details you some like interesting details you remember from that time for like what remember from that time for like what remember from that time for like what you have to figure out to make it work you have to figure out to make it work you have to figure out to make it work and for people just listening he and for people just listening he and for people just listening he uploaded just uh just a handful of uploaded just uh just a handful of uploaded just uh just a handful of photos that don't really have a good photos that don't really have a good photos that don't really have a good capture of the face and he's able to or capture of the face and he's able to or capture of the face and he's able to or I think it's cropped it's like a cropped I think it's cropped it's like a cropped I think it's cropped it's like a cropped by the by the the layout but they're by the by the the layout but they're by the by the the layout but they're they're Square photos so they're 512 by they're Square photos so they're 512 by they're Square photos so they're 512 by 512 mhm because that's stable fusion um 512 mhm because that's stable fusion um 512 mhm because that's stable fusion um but nevertheless not great captures the but nevertheless not great captures the but nevertheless not great captures the face like it's not it's not like a uh face like it's not it's not like a uh face like it's not it's not like a uh collection of several hundred photos collection of several hundred photos collection of several hundred photos that it's like exactly like I I would that it's like exactly like I I would that it's like exactly like I I would imagine that too when I started I was imagine that too when I started I was imagine that too when I started I was like a this must be like some 3D scan like a this must be like some 3D scan like a this must be like some 3D scan technology right yeah so I think the technology right yeah so I think the technology right yeah so I think the cool thing with AI it trains the concept cool thing with AI it trains the concept cool thing with AI it trains the concept of you so it's literally like learning of you so it's literally like learning of you so it's literally like learning just like any AI model leurs it learns just like any AI model leurs it learns just like any AI model leurs it learns how you look so I I did this and then I how you look so I I did this and then I how you look so I I did this and then I was getting so I was getting DMs like was getting so I was getting DMs like was getting so I was getting DMs like telegram messages like how can I do the telegram messages like how can I do the telegram messages like how can I do the same thing I want these photos my same thing I want these photos my same thing I want these photos my girlfriend wants these photo so I was girlfriend wants these photo so I was girlfriend wants these photo so I was like okay this is obviously a business like okay this is obviously a business like okay this is obviously a business but I didn't have time to code it uh but I didn't have time to code it uh but I didn't have time to code it uh make a whole like app about it so I made make a whole like app about it so I made make a whole like app about it so I made a HTML page um registered a domain name a HTML page um registered a domain name a HTML page um registered a domain name and this was not even it was a stripe and this was not even it was a stripe and this was not even it was a stripe payment link which means you have uh payment link which means you have uh payment link which means you have uh literally link to stripe to pay but literally link to stripe to pay but literally link to stripe to pay but there's no code in the back so all you there's no code in the back so all you there's no code in the back so all you know is you have customers that paid know is you have customers that paid know is you have customers that paid money then I added like a some uh a typ money then I added like a some uh a typ money then I added like a some uh a typ form link so Ty form is a site where you form link so Ty form is a site where you form link so Ty form is a site where you can have create like your own um input can have create like your own um input can have create like your own um input form like Google forms so they would get form like Google forms so they would get form like Google forms so they would get a email with a link to the type form or a email with a link to the type form or a email with a link to the type form or actually just a link after the checkout actually just a link after the checkout actually just a link after the checkout and they could upload their photos so

and they could upload their photos so and they could upload their photos so enter their email upload the photos and enter their email upload the photos and enter their email upload the photos and um and I launched it and I was like here um and I launched it and I was like here um and I launched it and I was like here first sale so this October first sale so this October first sale so this October 2022 and I think within like the first 2022 and I think within like the first 2022 and I think within like the first 24 hours was like I'm not sure it was 24 hours was like I'm not sure it was 24 hours was like I'm not sure it was like a thousand customers or something like a thousand customers or something like a thousand customers or something um but the problem was I didn't have um but the problem was I didn't have um but the problem was I didn't have code to automate this so I had to do code to automate this so I had to do code to automate this so I had to do manually so the first few hundred I just manually so the first few hundred I just manually so the first few hundred I just literally took their photos uh train literally took their photos uh train literally took their photos uh train them and then I would generate the them and then I would generate the them and then I would generate the photos with the prompts and I had this photos with the prompts and I had this photos with the prompts and I had this text file with the promps and I would do text file with the promps and I would do text file with the promps and I would do everything manually and this quickly everything manually and this quickly everything manually and this quickly became way too much so but that's became way too much so but that's became way too much so but that's another constraint like I was forced to another constraint like I was forced to another constraint like I was forced to code something up uh that would do that code something up uh that would do that code something up uh that would do that and that was essentially making it into and that was essentially making it into and that was essentially making it into a real website right so first it was the a real website right so first it was the a real website right so first it was the type form and they uploaded through the type form and they uploaded through the type form and they uploaded through the typ form strip check out form yeah and typ form strip check out form yeah and typ form strip check out form yeah and then you were like that image is then you were like that image is then you were like that image is downloaded did you write a script to downloaded did you write a script to downloaded did you write a script to export down download the images myself export down download the images myself export down download the images myself it's a zip file unzip file you unzipped it's a zip file unzip file you unzipped it's a zip file unzip file you unzipped it un yes and then I no I'm because you it un yes and then I no I'm because you it un yes and then I no I'm because you know do things don't skill Paul graah know do things don't skill Paul graah know do things don't skill Paul graah says right so uh and then I would train says right so uh and then I would train says right so uh and then I would train it and then I would email them the it and then I would email them the it and then I would email them the photos I think from my personal email photos I think from my personal email photos I think from my personal email say here's your here's your avatars you say here's your here's your avatars you say here's your here's your avatars you know and they liked it they were like know and they liked it they were like know and they liked it they were like wow it's wow it's wow it's amazing you emailed them with your amazing you emailed them with your amazing you emailed them with your personal email it didn't have an email personal email it didn't have an email personal email it didn't have an email address on this domain and this is like address on this domain and this is like address on this domain and this is like a 100 people yeah and then you know who a 100 people yeah and then you know who a 100 people yeah and then you know who signed up uh like man I cannot say but signed up uh like man I cannot say but signed up uh like man I cannot say but really famous people like really really really famous people like really really really famous people like really really like billionaires famous Tech like billionaires famous Tech like billionaires famous Tech billionaires did it and I was like wow billionaires did it and I was like wow billionaires did it and I was like wow this is crazy and I sent I was like so this is crazy and I sent I was like so this is crazy and I sent I was like so scared to message them so I said thanks scared to message them so I said thanks scared to message them so I said thanks so much for using my sites you know he's so much for using my sites you know he's so much for using my sites you know he's like yeah amazing app gra work so it's

like yeah amazing app gra work so it's like yeah amazing app gra work so it's like this is different than normal like this is different than normal like this is different than normal reaction you know it's Bill Gates isn't reaction you know it's Bill Gates isn't reaction you know it's Bill Gates isn't it can say it can say it can say anything just like shirtless P gdpr you anything just like shirtless P gdpr you anything just like shirtless P gdpr you know like privacy European regulation know like privacy European regulation know like privacy European regulation canot share anything but I was very I canot share anything but I was very I canot share anything but I was very I was like Wow and uh but this shows like was like Wow and uh but this shows like was like Wow and uh but this shows like so you make something and then if it so you make something and then if it so you make something and then if it takes off very fast you're like it's takes off very fast you're like it's takes off very fast you're like it's validated you know you're like validated you know you're like validated you know you're like here's something that people really want here's something that people really want here's something that people really want but then also I thought this is hype but then also I thought this is hype but then also I thought this is hype this is going to die down very fast and this is going to die down very fast and this is going to die down very fast and I did because it's too cheesy but you I did because it's too cheesy but you I did because it's too cheesy but you have to automate the whole thing how' have to automate the whole thing how' have to automate the whole thing how' you automate it so like what's the AI you automate it so like what's the AI you automate it so like what's the AI component like how hard was that to component like how hard was that to component like how hard was that to figure out okay so that's actually in figure out okay so that's actually in figure out okay so that's actually in many ways the easiest thing because many ways the easiest thing because many ways the easiest thing because there is all these platforms already there is all these platforms already there is all these platforms already back then there was platforms for uh back then there was platforms for uh back then there was platforms for uh fine-tune St diffusion um like now I use fine-tune St diffusion um like now I use fine-tune St diffusion um like now I use replicate back then I use different replicate back then I use different replicate back then I use different platforms um which was funny because platforms um which was funny because platforms um which was funny because that platform when this thing took off I that platform when this thing took off I that platform when this thing took off I would tweet cuz I tweet always like how would tweet cuz I tweet always like how would tweet cuz I tweet always like how much money these websites make and then much money these websites make and then much money these websites make and then so the the you called vendor right the so the the you called vendor right the so the the you called vendor right the the G the platform that did the gpus the G the platform that did the gpus the G the platform that did the gpus they increased their price for training they increased their price for training they increased their price for training from $3 to $20 after they saw that I was from $3 to $20 after they saw that I was from $3 to $20 after they saw that I was making so much money so immediately my making so much money so immediately my making so much money so immediately my profit is gone because I was selling profit is gone because I was selling profit is gone because I was selling them for them for them for $30 and I was in a slack with them like $30 and I was in a slack with them like $30 and I was in a slack with them like saying what is this like can you just saying what is this like can you just saying what is this like can you just put it back to $3 they say yeah maybe in put it back to $3 they say yeah maybe in put it back to $3 they say yeah maybe in the future we're looking at it right now the future we're looking at it right now the future we're looking at it right now I'm like what are you talking about like I'm like what are you talking about like I'm like what are you talking about like you just took all my money you know and you just took all my money you know and you just took all my money you know and they're smart well they're not that they're smart well they're not that they're smart well they're not that smart because like you also have a large smart because like you also have a large smart because like you also have a large uh platform and a lot of people respect uh platform and a lot of people respect uh platform and a lot of people respect you so you can literally come out and you so you can literally come out and you so you can literally come out and say that they're not I think it's like say that they're not I think it's like say that they're not I think it's like kind of dirty to cancel a company or

kind of dirty to cancel a company or kind of dirty to cancel a company or something I I prefer just bringing my something I I prefer just bringing my something I I prefer just bringing my business elsewhere but there was no business elsewhere but there was no business elsewhere but there was no elsewhere back then right so I started elsewhere back then right so I started elsewhere back then right so I started talking to other um AI model ml talking to other um AI model ml talking to other um AI model ml platforms so replicade was one those platforms so replicade was one those platforms so replicade was one those platforms and I started dming the CEO platforms and I started dming the CEO platforms and I started dming the CEO say can you please create like it's say can you please create like it's say can you please create like it's called dream Boo this fine tuning of you called dream Boo this fine tuning of you called dream Boo this fine tuning of you yourself can you add this to your site yourself can you add this to your site yourself can you add this to your site CU I need this cuz I'm being price gods CU I need this cuz I'm being price gods CU I need this cuz I'm being price gods and he said no because it takes too long and he said no because it takes too long and he said no because it takes too long to run it takes half an hour to run and to run it takes half an hour to run and to run it takes half an hour to run and we don't have the gpus for it I said we don't have the gpus for it I said we don't have the gpus for it I said please please please and then after a please please please and then after a please please please and then after a week they said we're doing it we're week they said we're doing it we're week they said we're doing it we're launching this and then this company launching this and then this company launching this and then this company became it was like not very famous became it was like not very famous became it was like not very famous company it became very famous with this company it became very famous with this company it became very famous with this stuff because suddenly everybody was stuff because suddenly everybody was stuff because suddenly everybody was like oh we can build similar apps like like oh we can build similar apps like like oh we can build similar apps like Avatar apps and everybody started Avatar apps and everybody started Avatar apps and everybody started building Avatar apps and everybody building Avatar apps and everybody building Avatar apps and everybody started using replicate for it um and it started using replicate for it um and it started using replicate for it um and it was from these early DMS with like the was from these early DMS with like the was from these early DMS with like the CEO like Ben Fish very nice guy and he CEO like Ben Fish very nice guy and he CEO like Ben Fish very nice guy and he was like was like was like they never price go me they never treat they never price go me they never treat they never price go me they never treat me bad they always been very nice it's me bad they always been very nice it's me bad they always been very nice it's it's a very cool company so you can run it's a very cool company so you can run it's a very cool company so you can run any ml model any AI model llms you can any ml model any AI model llms you can any ml model any AI model llms you can run on here and you can scale yes they run on here and you can scale yes they run on here and you can scale yes they scale yeah yeah and I mean you can do scale yeah yeah and I mean you can do scale yeah yeah and I mean you can do now you can click on the model and just now you can click on the model and just now you can click on the model and just run it already it's like super easy you run it already it's like super easy you run it already it's like super easy you log in with GitHub um that's great and log in with GitHub um that's great and log in with GitHub um that's great and by running it on the website then you by running it on the website then you by running it on the website then you can automate with the API you can make a can automate with the API you can make a can automate with the API you can make a website that runs the model generate website that runs the model generate website that runs the model generate images generate text generate vide images generate text generate vide images generate text generate vide generate music generate spech find two generate music generate spech find two generate music generate spech find two models do anything yeah it's very cool models do anything yeah it's very cool models do anything yeah it's very cool company nice and you're like growing company nice and you're like growing company nice and you're like growing with them essentially they grew because with them essentially they grew because with them essentially they grew because of you because it's like a big use case of you because it's like a big use case of you because it's like a big use case yeah like the the website even looks

yeah like the the website even looks yeah like the the website even looks weird now it it started as like a weird now it it started as like a weird now it it started as like a machine learning platform that was like machine learning platform that was like machine learning platform that was like I didn't even understand what it did it I didn't even understand what it did it I didn't even understand what it did it was just too to ml you know like you was just too to ml you know like you was just too to ml you know like you would understand because you're in the would understand because you're in the would understand because you're in the ml world I wouldn't understand now it's ml world I wouldn't understand now it's ml world I wouldn't understand now it's newb friendly yeah exactly and I didn't newb friendly yeah exactly and I didn't newb friendly yeah exactly and I didn't know how it worked and um but I knew know how it worked and um but I knew know how it worked and um but I knew that they could probably do this and that they could probably do this and that they could probably do this and they did it they built the models and they did it they built the models and they did it they built the models and now I use them for everything and we now I use them for everything and we now I use them for everything and we trained like I think now like 36,000 trained like I think now like 36,000 trained like I think now like 36,000 models 36,000 people already but is models 36,000 people already but is models 36,000 people already but is there some tricks to fine tuning to like there some tricks to fine tuning to like there some tricks to fine tuning to like the collection of photos that are the collection of photos that are the collection of photos that are provided like how do you like yes man provided like how do you like yes man provided like how do you like yes man it's so many Hecks the hack it's like it's so many Hecks the hack it's like it's so many Hecks the hack it's like 100 Hecks to make it work what what's 100 Hecks to make it work what what's 100 Hecks to make it work what what's what are some my secrets now well not what are some my secrets now well not what are some my secrets now well not not the secrets but the more like not the secrets but the more like not the secrets but the more like insights maybe about the human face and insights maybe about the human face and insights maybe about the human face and the human body like what what kind of the human body like what what kind of the human body like what what kind of stuff get messed up a stuff get messed up a stuff get messed up a lot I think people well man it's thing lot I think people well man it's thing lot I think people well man it's thing people don't know know how they look so people don't know know how they look so people don't know know how they look so um yeah they generate photos of um yeah they generate photos of um yeah they generate photos of themselves and then they say ah it themselves and then they say ah it themselves and then they say ah it doesn't look like me yeah but it then doesn't look like me yeah but it then doesn't look like me yeah but it then you know you can check the training you know you can check the training you know you can check the training phones it does look like you but you phones it does look like you but you phones it does look like you but you don't know how you look so there's a don't know how you look so there's a don't know how you look so there's a face dysmorphia of yourself that you you face dysmorphia of yourself that you you face dysmorphia of yourself that you you have no idea how you look yeah that's have no idea how you look yeah that's have no idea how you look yeah that's hilarious I mean I've got to one one of hilarious I mean I've got to one one of hilarious I mean I've got to one one of the least Pleasant activities in my the least Pleasant activities in my the least Pleasant activities in my existence is having to listen to my existence is having to listen to my existence is having to listen to my voice and look at my face so I get to voice and look at my face so I get to voice and look at my face so I get to like like like really really have to sort of uh coming really really have to sort of uh coming really really have to sort of uh coming to terms with the reality of how I look to terms with the reality of how I look to terms with the reality of how I look and how I sound and everybody and but and how I sound and everybody and but and how I sound and everybody and but people often don't right like you have a people often don't right like you have a people often don't right like you have a distorted view perspective I know that

distorted view perspective I know that distorted view perspective I know that like I would if I would make a selfie like I would if I would make a selfie like I would if I would make a selfie how I think I look that I that's nice how I think I look that I that's nice how I think I look that I that's nice other people think that's not nice but other people think that's not nice but other people think that's not nice but then they make a photo of me I'm like then they make a photo of me I'm like then they make a photo of me I'm like that's super ugly but then they're like that's super ugly but then they're like that's super ugly but then they're like no that's how you look and you look nice no that's how you look and you look nice no that's how you look and you look nice you know so how other people see you is you know so how other people see you is you know so how other people see you is nice so you need to ask other people to nice so you need to ask other people to nice so you need to ask other people to choose your photos yeah you shouldn't choose your photos yeah you shouldn't choose your photos yeah you shouldn't choose them yourself because you don't choose them yourself because you don't choose them yourself because you don't know how you look know how you look know how you look yeah you don't know what makes you yeah you don't know what makes you yeah you don't know what makes you interesting what makes you attractive interesting what makes you attractive interesting what makes you attractive all this kind of stuff and a lot of us all this kind of stuff and a lot of us all this kind of stuff and a lot of us this is dark aspect of psychology we this is dark aspect of psychology we this is dark aspect of psychology we focus on some small flaws yeah this why focus on some small flaws yeah this why focus on some small flaws yeah this why I hate plastic surgery for example I hate plastic surgery for example I hate plastic surgery for example people try to remove the flaws when the people try to remove the flaws when the people try to remove the flaws when the flaws are the thing that makes you flaws are the thing that makes you flaws are the thing that makes you interesting and attractive I learned interesting and attractive I learned interesting and attractive I learned from the hammerhead shark eyes this the from the hammerhead shark eyes this the from the hammerhead shark eyes this the stuff about you that looks ugly to you stuff about you that looks ugly to you stuff about you that looks ugly to you and it's probably that What Makes You and it's probably that What Makes You and it's probably that What Makes You original makes you nice and people like original makes you nice and people like original makes you nice and people like it about you and it's not like oh my God it about you and it's not like oh my God it about you and it's not like oh my God and people notice it people notice your and people notice it people notice your and people notice it people notice your Hammer had eyes you know but it's like Hammer had eyes you know but it's like Hammer had eyes you know but it's like that's me that's my face so I'm I love I that's me that's my face so I'm I love I that's me that's my face so I'm I love I love myself and that's confidence and love myself and that's confidence and love myself and that's confidence and confidence is attractive yes right confidence is attractive yes right confidence is attractive yes right confidence is attractive but yes confidence is attractive but yes confidence is attractive but yes understanding what makes you beautiful understanding what makes you beautiful understanding what makes you beautiful it's the breaking of symmetry makes you it's the breaking of symmetry makes you it's the breaking of symmetry makes you beautiful it's the breaking of the the beautiful it's the breaking of the the beautiful it's the breaking of the the average face makes you beautiful all average face makes you beautiful all average face makes you beautiful all that yeah and obviously different for that yeah and obviously different for that yeah and obviously different for men and women at different ages all this men and women at different ages all this men and women at different ages all this kind of stuff but be Underneath It All kind of stuff but be Underneath It All kind of stuff but be Underneath It All the personality all of that when when the personality all of that when when the personality all of that when when the the the face comes alive that also is the thing face comes alive that also is the thing face comes alive that also is the thing that makes you Beau beautiful but anyway that makes you Beau beautiful but anyway that makes you Beau beautiful but anyway you have to figure all that out with AI you have to figure all that out with AI you have to figure all that out with AI yeah one thing that worked was like um yeah one thing that worked was like um yeah one thing that worked was like um people would upload full body photos of people would upload full body photos of people would upload full body photos of themselves so I would crop the face themselves so I would crop the face themselves so I would crop the face right because and then the model knew

right because and then the model knew right because and then the model knew better that we're training mostly the better that we're training mostly the better that we're training mostly the face here but then I started losing uh face here but then I started losing uh face here but then I started losing uh resemblance of the body because some resemblance of the body because some resemblance of the body because some people are skinny some people are people are skinny some people are people are skinny some people are muscular whatever so you want to have muscular whatever so you want to have muscular whatever so you want to have that too uh so now I mix full body that too uh so now I mix full body that too uh so now I mix full body photos in the training with face photos photos in the training with face photos photos in the training with face photos face crops uh and it's all automatic face crops uh and it's all automatic face crops uh and it's all automatic like um and I know that other people like um and I know that other people like um and I know that other people they they use again AI mod to detect they they use again AI mod to detect they they use again AI mod to detect like what are the best photos in this like what are the best photos in this like what are the best photos in this training set and then train on those but training set and then train on those but training set and then train on those but it's all it's all about training data it's all it's all about training data it's all it's all about training data and that's with everything in AI like and that's with everything in AI like and that's with everything in AI like how good your training data is is in how good your training data is is in how good your training data is is in many ways more important than how many many ways more important than how many many ways more important than how many steps you train for like how many months steps you train for like how many months steps you train for like how many months or whatever with these gpus like um the or whatever with these gpus like um the or whatever with these gpus like um the golds do you have any guidelines for golds do you have any guidelines for golds do you have any guidelines for people of like how to get good data how people of like how to get good data how people of like how to get good data how to give good data to find tune on like to give good data to find tune on like to give good data to find tune on like the photos should be diverse so for the photos should be diverse so for the photos should be diverse so for example if I only upload photos with a example if I only upload photos with a example if I only upload photos with a brown shirt or green shirt the mulle brown shirt or green shirt the mulle brown shirt or green shirt the mulle think that I'm training the green shirt think that I'm training the green shirt think that I'm training the green shirt so the things that are the same every so the things that are the same every so the things that are the same every photo are the concepts that are trained photo are the concepts that are trained photo are the concepts that are trained what you want is your face to be the what you want is your face to be the what you want is your face to be the concept that's strains um and everything concept that's strains um and everything concept that's strains um and everything else to be diverse like different so else to be diverse like different so else to be diverse like different so diverse lighting as well diverse yeah diverse lighting as well diverse yeah diverse lighting as well diverse yeah Outside Inside uh but there's no like Outside Inside uh but there's no like Outside Inside uh but there's no like this is the problem there's no like this is the problem there's no like this is the problem there's no like manual for this and nobody knew we were manual for this and nobody knew we were manual for this and nobody knew we were all just especially two years ago we're all just especially two years ago we're all just especially two years ago we're all hacking trying to test anything all hacking trying to test anything all hacking trying to test anything anything you can think of and uh it's anything you can think of and uh it's anything you can think of and uh it's frustrating it's one of the most frustrating it's one of the most frustrating it's one of the most frustrating and also fun and challenging frustrating and also fun and challenging frustrating and also fun and challenging things to do because with AI CU it's a things to do because with AI CU it's a things to do because with AI CU it's a black box and like carpati I think says black box and like carpati I think says black box and like carpati I think says this like uh we don't really know how this like uh we don't really know how this like uh we don't really know how this thing works but it does something

this thing works but it does something this thing works but it does something but nobody really knows why right like but nobody really knows why right like but nobody really knows why right like we cannot look into the the model of an we cannot look into the the model of an we cannot look into the the model of an llm like what is actually in there we llm like what is actually in there we llm like what is actually in there we just know it's like a 3D Matrix of just know it's like a 3D Matrix of just know it's like a 3D Matrix of numbers right um so it's very numbers right um so it's very numbers right um so it's very frustrating CU some things you that frustrating CU some things you that frustrating CU some things you that would be you think they're obvious that would be you think they're obvious that would be you think they're obvious that they will improve things will make them they will improve things will make them they will improve things will make them worse and there's so many parameters you worse and there's so many parameters you worse and there's so many parameters you can tweak so you're testing everything can tweak so you're testing everything can tweak so you're testing everything to you know improve things I mean to you know improve things I mean to you know improve things I mean there's a whole field now of mechanistic there's a whole field now of mechanistic there's a whole field now of mechanistic interpretability that like studies that interpretability that like studies that interpretability that like studies that tries to figure out tries to break thing tries to figure out tries to break thing tries to figure out tries to break thing apart and understand how it works but apart and understand how it works but apart and understand how it works but you know there's also the data side and you know there's also the data side and you know there's also the data side and the the actual like consumer facing the the actual like consumer facing the the actual like consumer facing product side of figuring out how do you product side of figuring out how do you product side of figuring out how do you get it to generate a thing that's get it to generate a thing that's get it to generate a thing that's beautiful or interesting or naturalistic beautiful or interesting or naturalistic beautiful or interesting or naturalistic all that kind of stuff and you're like all that kind of stuff and you're like all that kind of stuff and you're like at the Forefront of figuring that out at the Forefront of figuring that out at the Forefront of figuring that out about the human face and humans really about the human face and humans really about the human face and humans really care about the human face yeah very vain care about the human face yeah very vain care about the human face yeah very vain yeah like me you know like I want to yeah like me you know like I want to yeah like me you know like I want to look good in your podcast for example look good in your podcast for example look good in your podcast for example yeah for sure and one of the things I yeah for sure and one of the things I yeah for sure and one of the things I actually would love to uh like actually would love to uh like actually would love to uh like rigorously use Photo AI because for the rigorously use Photo AI because for the rigorously use Photo AI because for the thumbnails I take portraits of people I thumbnails I take portraits of people I thumbnails I take portraits of people I didn't I don't know shit about didn't I don't know shit about didn't I don't know shit about photography uh I basically used your photography uh I basically used your photography uh I basically used your approach for photography I like Google approach for photography I like Google approach for photography I like Google how do you take photographs yeah how do you take photographs yeah how do you take photographs yeah camera lighting and also it's tough camera lighting and also it's tough camera lighting and also it's tough because maybe you could speak to this because maybe you could speak to this because maybe you could speak to this also but like with also but like with also but like with photography no offense to any they're photography no offense to any they're photography no offense to any they're true artists great photographers but true artists great photographers but true artists great photographers but like people like take themselves way too

like people like take themselves way too like people like take themselves way too seriously think you need a whole lot of seriously think you need a whole lot of seriously think you need a whole lot of equipment you definitely don't want one equipment you definitely don't want one equipment you definitely don't want one light you need like five lights I know light you need like five lights I know light you need like five lights I know like and you have to have like the like and you have to have like the like and you have to have like the lenses and I talked to to a guy an lenses and I talked to to a guy an lenses and I talked to to a guy an expert of uh shaping the sound in a room expert of uh shaping the sound in a room expert of uh shaping the sound in a room okay and cuz I was thinking I'm going to okay and cuz I was thinking I'm going to okay and cuz I was thinking I'm going to do a podcast Studio whatever I should do a podcast Studio whatever I should do a podcast Studio whatever I should probably like treat the do a sound probably like treat the do a sound probably like treat the do a sound treatment on the room and like when he treatment on the room and like when he treatment on the room and like when he showed up and analyzed the room he showed up and analyzed the room he showed up and analyzed the room he thought everything I was doing was thought everything I was doing was thought everything I was doing was horrible and then that's when I realized horrible and then that's when I realized horrible and then that's when I realized like you know what I don't need experts like you know what I don't need experts like you know what I don't need experts in my life he kick him out of the house in my life he kick him out of the house in my life he kick him out of the house no I didn't kick him I me I said Thank no I didn't kick him I me I said Thank no I didn't kick him I me I said Thank you thank you very much thank you great you thank you very much thank you great you thank you very much thank you great tips all I just I just felt like there tips all I just I just felt like there tips all I just I just felt like there is you know focus on whatever the is you know focus on whatever the is you know focus on whatever the problems are use your own judgment use problems are use your own judgment use problems are use your own judgment use your own instincts don't listen to other your own instincts don't listen to other your own instincts don't listen to other people and only consult other people people and only consult other people people and only consult other people when there's a specific problem and you when there's a specific problem and you when there's a specific problem and you consult them not to offload the problem consult them not to offload the problem consult them not to offload the problem onto them but to gain wisdom from their onto them but to gain wisdom from their onto them but to gain wisdom from their perspective even if their perspective is perspective even if their perspective is perspective even if their perspective is ultimately one you don't agree with ultimately one you don't agree with ultimately one you don't agree with you're going to gain wisdom from that you're going to gain wisdom from that you're going to gain wisdom from that and just I ultimately come up with like and just I ultimately come up with like and just I ultimately come up with like a PHP solution PHP and jQuery solution a PHP solution PHP and jQuery solution a PHP solution PHP and jQuery solution the PHP Studio like have a little the PHP Studio like have a little the PHP Studio like have a little suitcase I use like uh just the the suitcase I use like uh just the the suitcase I use like uh just the the basic sort of uh consumer type of stuff basic sort of uh consumer type of stuff basic sort of uh consumer type of stuff one light it's great yeah and look at one light it's great yeah and look at one light it's great yeah and look at you you're like one of the top podcasts you you're like one of the top podcasts you you're like one of the top podcasts in the world and you get millions of in the world and you get millions of in the world and you get millions of views and it works and the people that

views and it works and the people that views and it works and the people that spend so much money on optimizing for spend so much money on optimizing for spend so much money on optimizing for the best sound for the best studio they the best sound for the best studio they the best sound for the best studio they get like 300 views you know so what is get like 300 views you know so what is get like 300 views you know so what is this about this is about that either you this about this is about that either you this about this is about that either you do it really well or also that a lot of do it really well or also that a lot of do it really well or also that a lot of these things don't matter like what these things don't matter like what these things don't matter like what matters is probably the content the matters is probably the content the matters is probably the content the podcast like you get interesting guest podcast like you get interesting guest podcast like you get interesting guest focus on the stuff that matters yeah and focus on the stuff that matters yeah and focus on the stuff that matters yeah and I think that's very common they called I think that's very common they called I think that's very common they called gear acquisition syndrome like gas like gear acquisition syndrome like gas like gear acquisition syndrome like gas like people in any industry do this they just people in any industry do this they just people in any industry do this they just buy all the stuff there was a meme buy all the stuff there was a meme buy all the stuff there was a meme recently like you buy what's the name recently like you buy what's the name recently like you buy what's the name for the guy that buys all the stuff for the guy that buys all the stuff for the guy that buys all the stuff before he even started doing the hobby before he even started doing the hobby before he even started doing the hobby right um marketing you know marketing right um marketing you know marketing right um marketing you know marketing does that to people they want to buy does that to people they want to buy does that to people they want to buy this stuff yeah but like this stuff yeah but like this stuff yeah but like man you you can make a you can make a man you you can make a you can make a man you you can make a you can make a Hollywood movie on an iPhone you know if Hollywood movie on an iPhone you know if Hollywood movie on an iPhone you know if the content is good enough it's it and the content is good enough it's it and the content is good enough it's it and it will probably be original because you it will probably be original because you it will probably be original because you would be using an iPhone for it you know would be using an iPhone for it you know would be using an iPhone for it you know so that said I so the reason I brought so that said I so the reason I brought so that said I so the reason I brought that up with that up with that up with photography there is wisdom from people photography there is wisdom from people photography there is wisdom from people and one of one of the things I realized and one of one of the things I realized and one of one of the things I realized you probably also realized this but how you probably also realized this but how you probably also realized this but how much power light much power light much power light has to uh to convey emotion you just has to uh to convey emotion you just has to uh to convey emotion you just take one light and move it around say take one light and move it around say take one light and move it around say you're sitting in the darkness mooving you're sitting in the darkness mooving you're sitting in the darkness mooving around your face the different positions around your face the different positions around your face the different positions are having a second light potentially are having a second light potentially are having a second light potentially you can play with how a person feels you can play with how a person feels you can play with how a person feels just from a generic face it's just from a generic face it's just from a generic face it's interesting like you can make people interesting like you can make people interesting like you can make people attractive you can make them ugly you attractive you can make them ugly you attractive you can make them ugly you can make them scary you can make them can make them scary you can make them can make them scary you can make them lonely all of this and so you kind of lonely all of this and so you kind of lonely all of this and so you kind of real start to realize this and uh I real start to realize this and uh I real start to realize this and uh I would definitely love AI help in uh

would definitely love AI help in uh would definitely love AI help in uh creating great portraits of people guest creating great portraits of people guest creating great portraits of people guest photos yeah guest photos for example photos yeah guest photos for example photos yeah guest photos for example that's a small use case but for me that's a small use case but for me that's a small use case but for me that's that's that's a I suppose it's an important use case a I suppose it's an important use case a I suppose it's an important use case because like I want people to look good because like I want people to look good because like I want people to look good but I also want to capture who they are but I also want to capture who they are but I also want to capture who they are maybe my conception of who they are what maybe my conception of who they are what maybe my conception of who they are what makes them beautiful what makes their makes them beautiful what makes their makes them beautiful what makes their appearance powerful in some ways appearance powerful in some ways appearance powerful in some ways sometimes it's the eyes often times it's sometimes it's the eyes often times it's sometimes it's the eyes often times it's the eyes but there's certain features of the eyes but there's certain features of the eyes but there's certain features of the face can sometimes be really the face can sometimes be really the face can sometimes be really powerful and I can't it's it's also kind powerful and I can't it's it's also kind powerful and I can't it's it's also kind of awkward for me to take yeah yeah yeah of awkward for me to take yeah yeah yeah of awkward for me to take yeah yeah yeah photographs so I'm not collecting enough photographs so I'm not collecting enough photographs so I'm not collecting enough yeah photographs for myself to do it um yeah photographs for myself to do it um yeah photographs for myself to do it um with just those photographs if I can with just those photographs if I can with just those photographs if I can load that off fun to Ai and then start load that off fun to Ai and then start load that off fun to Ai and then start to play with like lighting you should do to play with like lighting you should do to play with like lighting you should do this and you should probably do it this and you should probably do it this and you should probably do it yourself like you can get use photo but yourself like you can get use photo but yourself like you can get use photo but it's even more fun if you do it yourself it's even more fun if you do it yourself it's even more fun if you do it yourself so you train the models you can learn so you train the models you can learn so you train the models you can learn about like control net control net is about like control net control net is about like control net control net is where for example your photos and your where for example your photos and your where for example your photos and your podcast are usually like from the angle podcast are usually like from the angle podcast are usually like from the angle right so you can create a control net right so you can create a control net right so you can create a control net face posst that's always like this so face posst that's always like this so face posst that's always like this so every model every photo you generate every model every photo you generate every model every photo you generate uses this control net uh pose for uses this control net uh pose for uses this control net uh pose for example I think it would be very fun for example I think it would be very fun for example I think it would be very fun for you to try out that stuff do you play you to try out that stuff do you play you to try out that stuff do you play with lighting at all do you play with with lighting at all do you play with with lighting at all do you play with lighting with with man actually this lighting with with man actually this lighting with with man actually this like this week or recently there's a new like this week or recently there's a new like this week or recently there's a new model came out that can adjust the light model came out that can adjust the light model came out that can adjust the light of any photo but also AI image uh with of any photo but also AI image uh with of any photo but also AI image uh with stable diffusion uh I think it's called stable diffusion uh I think it's called stable diffusion uh I think it's called relight and it's amazing like you can relight and it's amazing like you can relight and it's amazing like you can you can upload kind of like a a light

you can upload kind of like a a light you can upload kind of like a a light map so for example red purple blue and map so for example red purple blue and map so for example red purple blue and it uses that light map to change the it uses that light map to change the it uses that light map to change the light on the photo to you you input it's light on the photo to you you input it's light on the photo to you you input it's amazing so there's for sure a lot of amazing so there's for sure a lot of amazing so there's for sure a lot of stuff you can do uh what's your advice stuff you can do uh what's your advice stuff you can do uh what's your advice for people people in general on how to for people people in general on how to for people people in general on how to learn all the state-of-the-art AI tools learn all the state-of-the-art AI tools learn all the state-of-the-art AI tools available like you mentioned new models available like you mentioned new models available like you mentioned new models coming out all the time yeah like what coming out all the time yeah like what coming out all the time yeah like what how do you pay attention how do you stay how do you pay attention how do you stay how do you pay attention how do you stay on top of everything I think you need to on top of everything I think you need to on top of everything I think you need to join Twitter X you know X is amazing now join Twitter X you know X is amazing now join Twitter X you know X is amazing now and the whole AI industry is on X and and the whole AI industry is on X and and the whole AI industry is on X and they're all like anime avatars so it's they're all like anime avatars so it's they're all like anime avatars so it's funny because uh my friends asked me funny because uh my friends asked me funny because uh my friends asked me this like what who should I follow to this like what who should I follow to this like what who should I follow to stay stay up to date and I say go to x stay stay up to date and I say go to x stay stay up to date and I say go to x and follow all the AI anime model that and follow all the AI anime model that and follow all the AI anime model that this person is following or follows and this person is following or follows and this person is following or follows and I sent them some URL and they all start I sent them some URL and they all start I sent them some URL and they all start laughing like what is this but they're laughing like what is this but they're laughing like what is this but they're real like people hacking around in AI real like people hacking around in AI real like people hacking around in AI they get hired by big companies and they get hired by big companies and they get hired by big companies and they're on X and most of them are they're on X and most of them are they're on X and most of them are Anonymous this is very funny they're Anonymous this is very funny they're Anonymous this is very funny they're they use anime avars um I don't um but they use anime avars um I don't um but they use anime avars um I don't um but those people hack around and they they those people hack around and they they those people hack around and they they publish what they're discovering um they publish what they're discovering um they publish what they're discovering um they talk about papers for example uh so yeah talk about papers for example uh so yeah talk about papers for example uh so yeah definitely X it's great I almost definitely X it's great I almost definitely X it's great I almost exclusively all the people I follow are exclusively all the people I follow are exclusively all the people I follow are AI people people yeah it's a good time AI people people yeah it's a good time AI people people yeah it's a good time now it well but also just brings now it well but also just brings now it well but also just brings happiness to my to my soul cuz there's happiness to my to my soul cuz there's happiness to my to my soul cuz there's so much turmoil on Twitter yeah like so much turmoil on Twitter yeah like so much turmoil on Twitter yeah like politics and stuff there's battles going politics and stuff there's battles going politics and stuff there's battles going on it's like a war zone and it's nice to on it's like a war zone and it's nice to on it's like a war zone and it's nice to just go into this happy place to where just go into this happy place to where just go into this happy place to where people are building stuff yeah 100% I

people are building stuff yeah 100% I people are building stuff yeah 100% I like Twitter that for that most like like Twitter that for that most like like Twitter that for that most like building stuff like yeah seeing other building stuff like yeah seeing other building stuff like yeah seeing other cuz it inspires you to build and it's cuz it inspires you to build and it's cuz it inspires you to build and it's it's just fun to see other people share it's just fun to see other people share it's just fun to see other people share what they're discovering and then what they're discovering and then what they're discovering and then you're like okay I'm going to make you're like okay I'm going to make you're like okay I'm going to make something too it's just super fun and so something too it's just super fun and so something too it's just super fun and so if you want to start go on X and then I if you want to start go on X and then I if you want to start go on X and then I would go to replicate and start trying would go to replicate and start trying would go to replicate and start trying to play with models and when you have to play with models and when you have to play with models and when you have something that kind of you you manually something that kind of you you manually something that kind of you you manually enter stuff you set the parameters enter stuff you set the parameters enter stuff you set the parameters something that works you you can make an something that works you you can make an something that works you you can make an app out of it or website can you speak a app out of it or website can you speak a app out of it or website can you speak a little bit more to the process of it little bit more to the process of it little bit more to the process of it becoming better and better and better becoming better and better and better becoming better and better and better photo yeah so I had this photo and a lot photo yeah so I had this photo and a lot photo yeah so I had this photo and a lot of people using it there was like a of people using it there was like a of people using it there was like a million or more photos a month being million or more photos a month being million or more photos a month being generated and I discovered I was testing generated and I discovered I was testing generated and I discovered I was testing parameters like increase the step count parameters like increase the step count parameters like increase the step count of generating a photo or changing the of generating a photo or changing the of generating a photo or changing the sampler like a scheduler like you have sampler like a scheduler like you have sampler like a scheduler like you have DPM two caras all these things I don't DPM two caras all these things I don't DPM two caras all these things I don't know anything about but I know that you know anything about but I know that you know anything about but I know that you can choose them when you generate image can choose them when you generate image can choose them when you generate image and they have different resulting images and they have different resulting images and they have different resulting images but I didn't know which one was were but I didn't know which one was were but I didn't know which one was were better so I would do it myself test it better so I would do it myself test it better so I would do it myself test it but then I was like why don't I test on but then I was like why don't I test on but then I was like why don't I test on these users because I have a million these users because I have a million these users because I have a million photos generated anyway so un like 10% photos generated anyway so un like 10% photos generated anyway so un like 10% of the users I would um randomly test of the users I would um randomly test of the users I would um randomly test parameters and then I would see if they parameters and then I would see if they parameters and then I would see if they would because you can favor it photo or would because you can favor it photo or would because you can favor it photo or you can download it I would measure if you can download it I would measure if you can download it I would measure if they favored or like the photo and then they favored or like the photo and then they favored or like the photo and then I would AB test and you test for I would AB test and you test for I would AB test and you test for significance and stuff uh which significance and stuff uh which significance and stuff uh which parameters were were better and which parameters were were better and which parameters were were better and which were worse so you're starting to figure were worse so you're starting to figure were worse so you're starting to figure out which Which models are actually out which Which models are actually out which Which models are actually working well and then if it's working well and then if it's working well and then if it's significant enough data you switch to significant enough data you switch to significant enough data you switch to that for the whole you know all the that for the whole you know all the that for the whole you know all the users and so that was that was like the

users and so that was that was like the users and so that was that was like the Breakthrough to make it better just use Breakthrough to make it better just use Breakthrough to make it better just use the users to improve it themselves and I the users to improve it themselves and I the users to improve it themselves and I tell them when they sign up we do tell them when they sign up we do tell them when they sign up we do sampling we do testing on your photos sampling we do testing on your photos sampling we do testing on your photos with random parameters and that work with random parameters and that work with random parameters and that work really well I don't do a lot of testing really well I don't do a lot of testing really well I don't do a lot of testing anymore because it's like I kind of anymore because it's like I kind of anymore because it's like I kind of reached like a diminishing point where reached like a diminishing point where reached like a diminishing point where it's like it's kind of good um but it's like it's kind of good um but it's like it's kind of good um but that's there was a breakthrough yeah so that's there was a breakthrough yeah so that's there was a breakthrough yeah so it's really about the parameters and it's really about the parameters and it's really about the parameters and models that CH and letting the models that CH and letting the models that CH and letting the users help do the search in the space of users help do the search in the space of users help do the search in the space of models and parameters for you yeah but models and parameters for you yeah but models and parameters for you yeah but actually so like stable diff Fusion I actually so like stable diff Fusion I actually so like stable diff Fusion I used 1.5 two 2.0 came out as stab Fusion used 1.5 two 2.0 came out as stab Fusion used 1.5 two 2.0 came out as stab Fusion XL came out all these new versions and XL came out all these new versions and XL came out all these new versions and they were all worse and so the core they were all worse and so the core they were all worse and so the core scene of people are still using 1.5 scene of people are still using 1.5 scene of people are still using 1.5 because it's like it's also not like because it's like it's also not like because it's like it's also not like what do you call neutered like they they what do you call neutered like they they what do you call neutered like they they neutered like to make it super like with neutered like to make it super like with neutered like to make it super like with safety features and stuff so most of the safety features and stuff so most of the safety features and stuff so most of the people are still on stable diffusion 1.5 people are still on stable diffusion 1.5 people are still on stable diffusion 1.5 and meanwhile stable diffusion the and meanwhile stable diffusion the and meanwhile stable diffusion the company went like the CEO left um a lot company went like the CEO left um a lot company went like the CEO left um a lot of drama happened because they couldn't of drama happened because they couldn't of drama happened because they couldn't make money and yeah so they gave us it's make money and yeah so they gave us it's make money and yeah so they gave us it's very interesting they gave us this this very interesting they gave us this this very interesting they gave us this this open source model that everybody uses open source model that everybody uses open source model that everybody uses they raised like hundreds of millions of they raised like hundreds of millions of they raised like hundreds of millions of dollars it all they didn't make any dollars it all they didn't make any dollars it all they didn't make any money with it or not a lot they did an money with it or not a lot they did an money with it or not a lot they did an amazing job and now everybody use this amazing job and now everybody use this amazing job and now everybody use this open source model for free and they did open source model for free and they did open source model for free and they did you know it's amazing like it's a it's you know it's amazing like it's a it's you know it's amazing like it's a it's amazing you're not even using the latest amazing you're not even using the latest amazing you're not even using the latest one you're say no and the strange thing one you're say no and the strange thing one you're say no and the strange thing is that this company raised hundreds of is that this company raised hundreds of is that this company raised hundreds of millions but the people that are millions but the people that are millions but the people that are benefiting from it are really small like benefiting from it are really small like benefiting from it are really small like people like me who make these small apps people like me who make these small apps people like me who make these small apps that are using the model and and now that are using the model and and now that are using the model and and now they're starting to charge money for the

they're starting to charge money for the they're starting to charge money for the new models but the new models are not so new models but the new models are not so new models but the new models are not so good for people do not sell open source good for people do not sell open source good for people do not sell open source right yeah it's interesting because open right yeah it's interesting because open right yeah it's interesting because open source is so impact in the AI space but source is so impact in the AI space but source is so impact in the AI space but you wonder like what is the business you wonder like what is the business you wonder like what is the business model behind that but it's enabling this model behind that but it's enabling this model behind that but it's enabling this whole ecosystem of companies that yeah whole ecosystem of companies that yeah whole ecosystem of companies that yeah they're using open source models it's they're using open source models it's they're using open source models it's kind of like those Frameworks but then kind of like those Frameworks but then kind of like those Frameworks but then they didn't you know bribe enough they didn't you know bribe enough they didn't you know bribe enough influencers to use it um and they didn't influencers to use it um and they didn't influencers to use it um and they didn't charge money for the platform you know charge money for the platform you know charge money for the platform you know okay so back to your book and the okay so back to your book and the okay so back to your book and the ideas we didn't even get to the first ideas we didn't even get to the first ideas we didn't even get to the first step uh generating ideas so you had the step uh generating ideas so you had the step uh generating ideas so you had the notebook and you're filling it up how do notebook and you're filling it up how do notebook and you're filling it up how do you know when an idea is a good one like you know when an idea is a good one like you know when an idea is a good one like what you you have this just flood of what you you have this just flood of what you you have this just flood of ideas how do you pick the one that you ideas how do you pick the one that you ideas how do you pick the one that you actually try to build man mostly you actually try to build man mostly you actually try to build man mostly you don't know like mostly I choose the ones don't know like mostly I choose the ones don't know like mostly I choose the ones that are most viable for me to build that are most viable for me to build that are most viable for me to build like I cannot build a space company now like I cannot build a space company now like I cannot build a space company now right would be quite challenging but I right would be quite challenging but I right would be quite challenging but I can build something actually write down can build something actually write down can build something actually write down like space company no I I think asteroid like space company no I I think asteroid like space company no I I think asteroid mining would be very cool because like mining would be very cool because like mining would be very cool because like you you go to an asteroid you take some you you go to an asteroid you take some you you go to an asteroid you take some stuff from there you bring it back you stuff from there you bring it back you stuff from there you bring it back you sell it you know it's but then you need sell it you know it's but then you need sell it you know it's but then you need to do and you can hire someone to launch to do and you can hire someone to launch to do and you can hire someone to launch the thing so all you need is like the the thing so all you need is like the the thing so all you need is like the robot that goes to the asteroid you know robot that goes to the asteroid you know robot that goes to the asteroid you know and Robotics interesting like I want to and Robotics interesting like I want to and Robotics interesting like I want to also learn robotics so maybe that could also learn robotics so maybe that could also learn robotics so maybe that could be I think both the asteroid Mining and be I think both the asteroid Mining and be I think both the asteroid Mining and the robotics is yeah together I feel like no exactly this is together I feel like no exactly this is it this is says we do this not because it this is says we do this not because it this is says we do this not because it's easy but because we thought it it's easy but because we thought it it's easy but because we thought it would be easy exactly that's me with

would be easy exactly that's me with would be easy exactly that's me with that's me with Aster mining exactly that's me with Aster mining exactly that's me with Aster mining exactly that's why I should do this it's not that's why I should do this it's not that's why I should do this it's not Nomad list.com it's it's Nomad list.com it's it's Nomad list.com it's it's you have to like build stuff you have to you have to like build stuff you have to you have to like build stuff you have to gravity is really hard to overcome yeah gravity is really hard to overcome yeah gravity is really hard to overcome yeah but it seems man I sound like idiots but it seems man I sound like idiots but it seems man I sound like idiots probably now but it sounds quite probably now but it sounds quite probably now but it sounds quite approachable like relatively approachable like relatively approachable like relatively approachable you don't have to build a approachable you don't have to build a approachable you don't have to build a rocket you oh you use something like rocket you oh you use something like rocket you oh you use something like SpaceX SpaceX to send your your you know SpaceX SpaceX to send your your you know SpaceX SpaceX to send your your you know this dog robot or whatever so is there this dog robot or whatever so is there this dog robot or whatever so is there actually exist a notebook where you actually exist a notebook where you actually exist a notebook where you wrote Don estro might no I used back wrote Don estro might no I used back wrote Don estro might no I used back then I used Trello Trello yeah but now I then I used Trello Trello yeah but now I then I used Trello Trello yeah but now I don't really I use telegram I write down don't really I use telegram I write down don't really I use telegram I write down like saved messages and I have like idea like saved messages and I have like idea like saved messages and I have like idea I write down you type to yourself on you I write down you type to yourself on you I write down you type to yourself on you know like cuz you use WhatsApp right I know like cuz you use WhatsApp right I know like cuz you use WhatsApp right I think so you have like message to think so you have like message to think so you have like message to yourself thing also yeah so yourself on yourself thing also yeah so yourself on yourself thing also yeah so yourself on telegram yeah you use like a notepad not telegram yeah you use like a notepad not telegram yeah you use like a notepad not forget stuff and then I pinets you know forget stuff and then I pinets you know forget stuff and then I pinets you know I love how like you're not using super I love how like you're not using super I love how like you're not using super complicated systems or whatever you know complicated systems or whatever you know complicated systems or whatever you know people use obsidian now there's a lot of people use obsidian now there's a lot of people use obsidian now there's a lot of these um yeah a notion where you have these um yeah a notion where you have these um yeah a notion where you have systems for not taking you're not you're systems for not taking you're not you're systems for not taking you're not you're notepad you're notepad.exe guy if you're notepad you're notepad.exe guy if you're notepad you're notepad.exe guy if you're a Windows user man I saw some YouTubers a Windows user man I saw some YouTubers a Windows user man I saw some YouTubers doing this like there's a lot of these doing this like there's a lot of these doing this like there's a lot of these productivity gurus also and they do this productivity gurus also and they do this productivity gurus also and they do this whole like iPad with a pencil and then I whole like iPad with a pencil and then I whole like iPad with a pencil and then I also had an iPad and I also got the also had an iPad and I also got the also had an iPad and I also got the pencil and I got this app where you can pencil and I got this app where you can pencil and I got this app where you can like draw on paper like um draw like a like draw on paper like um draw like a like draw on paper like um draw like a calendar you know like like people calendar you know like like people calendar you know like like people students use this and you do coloring students use this and you do coloring students use this and you do coloring and stuff and I'm like dude I did this and stuff and I'm like dude I did this and stuff and I'm like dude I did this for a week and I'm like what am I doing for a week and I'm like what am I doing for a week and I'm like what am I doing with my life like I can just write it as with my life like I can just write it as with my life like I can just write it as a message to myself and it's good enough a message to myself and it's good enough a message to myself and it's good enough you know speaking of ideas you shared a you know speaking of ideas you shared a you know speaking of ideas you shared a tweet explaining why the first idea

tweet explaining why the first idea tweet explaining why the first idea sometimes might be a brilliant idea the sometimes might be a brilliant idea the sometimes might be a brilliant idea the reason for this you think is the first reason for this you think is the first reason for this you think is the first idea submerges from your subconscious idea submerges from your subconscious idea submerges from your subconscious was actually boiling your brain for was actually boiling your brain for was actually boiling your brain for weeks months sometimes years in the weeks months sometimes years in the weeks months sometimes years in the background the eight hours of thinking background the eight hours of thinking background the eight hours of thinking can never compete with a Perpetual can never compete with a Perpetual can never compete with a Perpetual subconscious background job so this is subconscious background job so this is subconscious background job so this is the idea that if you think about an idea the idea that if you think about an idea the idea that if you think about an idea for 8 hours versus like the first idea for 8 hours versus like the first idea for 8 hours versus like the first idea that pops into your mind yeah and that pops into your mind yeah and that pops into your mind yeah and sometimes there is sometimes there is sometimes there is subconscious like stuff that you've been subconscious like stuff that you've been subconscious like stuff that you've been thinking about for many years that's thinking about for many years that's thinking about for many years that's really emerges I wrote it wrong because really emerges I wrote it wrong because really emerges I wrote it wrong because I don't know I'm not native English but I don't know I'm not native English but I don't know I'm not native English but it emerges from your subconscious right it emerges from your subconscious right it emerges from your subconscious right it comes from the like a water here your it comes from the like a water here your it comes from the like a water here your subconscious in here it's boiling and subconscious in here it's boiling and subconscious in here it's boiling and then when it's ready it's like ding it's then when it's ready it's like ding it's then when it's ready it's like ding it's like microwave comes out and there you like microwave comes out and there you like microwave comes out and there you have your idea you think you have ideas have your idea you think you have ideas have your idea you think you have ideas like that yeah all the time 100% it's like that yeah all the time 100% it's like that yeah all the time 100% it's just stuff that's been like there yes just stuff that's been like there yes just stuff that's been like there yes yeah and I also it comes up and I bring yeah and I also it comes up and I bring yeah and I also it comes up and I bring it I send it back you know like send it it I send it back you know like send it it I send it back you know like send it back to the kitchen boil more yeah and back to the kitchen boil more yeah and back to the kitchen boil more yeah and it's like a soup that of ideas that's it's like a soup that of ideas that's it's like a soup that of ideas that's cooking it's 100% this is how my brain cooking it's 100% this is how my brain cooking it's 100% this is how my brain works and I think most people but it's works and I think most people but it's works and I think most people but it's also about the the timing sometimes you also about the the timing sometimes you also about the the timing sometimes you have to send it back not just because have to send it back not just because have to send it back not just because you're not ready but the world is not you're not ready but the world is not you're not ready but the world is not ready yeah so many times like starter ready yeah so many times like starter ready yeah so many times like starter fins are too early with their idea yeah fins are too early with their idea yeah fins are too early with their idea yeah 100% robotics is an interesting one for 100% robotics is an interesting one for 100% robotics is an interesting one for that because like there's been a lot of that because like there's been a lot of that because like there's been a lot of Robotics companies that failed yeah Robotics companies that failed yeah Robotics companies that failed yeah because it's been very difficult to because it's been very difficult to because it's been very difficult to build a robotics company make money build a robotics company make money build a robotics company make money because there the manufacturing like the because there the manufacturing like the because there the manufacturing like the cost of everything the intelligence of cost of everything the intelligence of cost of everything the intelligence of the robot is enough is not sufficient to the robot is enough is not sufficient to the robot is enough is not sufficient to create a compelling enough product from create a compelling enough product from create a compelling enough product from which to make money so all so there's

which to make money so all so there's which to make money so all so there's this long line of Robotics companies this long line of Robotics companies this long line of Robotics companies that' tried they had Big Dreams and they that' tried they had Big Dreams and they that' tried they had Big Dreams and they failed yeah like Boston Dynamics I still failed yeah like Boston Dynamics I still failed yeah like Boston Dynamics I still don't know what they're doing but they don't know what they're doing but they don't know what they're doing but they always upload YouTube videos and it's always upload YouTube videos and it's always upload YouTube videos and it's amazing but I feel like a lot of these amazing but I feel like a lot of these amazing but I feel like a lot of these companies don't have a it's like a companies don't have a it's like a companies don't have a it's like a solution looking for a problem for now solution looking for a problem for now solution looking for a problem for now you know military obviously is usess but you know military obviously is usess but you know military obviously is usess but like and do I do I need like a robotic like and do I do I need like a robotic like and do I do I need like a robotic dog now for my house I don't know like dog now for my house I don't know like dog now for my house I don't know like it's fun but it doesn't really solve it's fun but it doesn't really solve it's fun but it doesn't really solve anything yet I feel the same kind of anything yet I feel the same kind of anything yet I feel the same kind of with VR like it's really cool like apple with VR like it's really cool like apple with VR like it's really cool like apple Vision Pro is very cool doesn't really Vision Pro is very cool doesn't really Vision Pro is very cool doesn't really solve something for me yet and that's solve something for me yet and that's solve something for me yet and that's kind of the the tech looking for a kind of the the tech looking for a kind of the the tech looking for a solution right but one day will when the solution right but one day will when the solution right but one day will when the person on computer when the Mac came person on computer when the Mac came person on computer when the Mac came along there was a big switch that along there was a big switch that along there was a big switch that happened it somehow captivated happened it somehow captivated happened it somehow captivated everybody's imagination you could like everybody's imagination you could like everybody's imagination you could like the application the killer apps became the application the killer apps became the application the killer apps became apparent you can type in a computer but apparent you can type in a computer but apparent you can type in a computer but did they became apparent like did they became apparent like did they became apparent like immediately back then they also had like immediately back then they also had like immediately back then they also had like this thing like we don't need these this thing like we don't need these this thing like we don't need these computers uh they're like a hype and um computers uh they're like a hype and um computers uh they're like a hype and um and it also went like in kind of like and it also went like in kind of like and it also went like in kind of like you know W yeah yeah but the hype is the you know W yeah yeah but the hype is the you know W yeah yeah but the hype is the thing that allowed the thing to thing that allowed the thing to thing that allowed the thing to proliferate sufficiently to where people proliferate sufficiently to where people proliferate sufficiently to where people Minds would start opening up to it a Minds would start opening up to it a Minds would start opening up to it a little bit the possibility of right now little bit the possibility of right now little bit the possibility of right now for example with the robotics there's for example with the robotics there's for example with the robotics there's very few robots in the homes of people very few robots in the homes of people very few robots in the homes of people exactly yeah the the robots that are exactly yeah the the robots that are exactly yeah the the robots that are there are roombas so the vacuum cleaners there are roombas so the vacuum cleaners there are roombas so the vacuum cleaners or they're Amazon Alexa yeah or or they're Amazon Alexa yeah or or they're Amazon Alexa yeah or dishwasher I mean it's essentially a dishwasher I mean it's essentially a dishwasher I mean it's essentially a robot yes but the the intelligence is robot yes but the the intelligence is robot yes but the the intelligence is very limited I guess there one way we very limited I guess there one way we very limited I guess there one way we can summarize all of them except Alexa can summarize all of them except Alexa can summarize all of them except Alexa which is pretty intelligent

which is pretty intelligent which is pretty intelligent but uh is is limited with the kind of but uh is is limited with the kind of but uh is is limited with the kind of ways it interacts with you it's you know ways it interacts with you it's you know ways it interacts with you it's you know that that's just one example yeah I that that's just one example yeah I that that's just one example yeah I sometimes think about that is like if sometimes think about that is like if sometimes think about that is like if some people in this world were kind of some people in this world were kind of some people in this world were kind of born in their whole existence is born in their whole existence is born in their whole existence is like they were meant to build the thing like they were meant to build the thing like they were meant to build the thing yeah you know like I sometimes wonder yeah you know like I sometimes wonder yeah you know like I sometimes wonder like what my what I was meant to do you like what my what I was meant to do you like what my what I was meant to do you have these plans for your life you have have these plans for your life you have have these plans for your life you have these these these dreams I think you're meant to build dreams I think you're meant to build dreams I think you're meant to build robots Okay me personally maybe maybe robots Okay me personally maybe maybe robots Okay me personally maybe maybe um that that that's a sense I've I've um that that that's a sense I've I've um that that that's a sense I've I've had but it could be other things it had but it could be other things it had but it could be other things it could hilariously enough be the thing I could hilariously enough be the thing I could hilariously enough be the thing I was meant to be is to talk to people was meant to be is to talk to people was meant to be is to talk to people yeah which is weird because I always was yeah which is weird because I always was yeah which is weird because I always was anxious about talking to people it's anxious about talking to people it's anxious about talking to people it's like a really yeah I'm scared of this I like a really yeah I'm scared of this I like a really yeah I'm scared of this I scared yeah exactly I'm scared of you scared yeah exactly I'm scared of you scared yeah exactly I'm scared of you it's just anxiety throughout social it's just anxiety throughout social it's just anxiety throughout social interaction in general I'm an introvert interaction in general I'm an introvert interaction in general I'm an introvert that hides from the world so yeah it's that hides from the world so yeah it's that hides from the world so yeah it's really strange yeah but that's that's really strange yeah but that's that's really strange yeah but that's that's also kind of Li like life brings you to also kind of Li like life brings you to also kind of Li like life brings you to it's very hard to um super intently kind it's very hard to um super intently kind it's very hard to um super intently kind of choose what you're going to do with of choose what you're going to do with of choose what you're going to do with your life it's it it's more like surfing your life it's it it's more like surfing your life it's it it's more like surfing you're surfing the waves you go in the you're surfing the waves you go in the you're surfing the waves you go in the in the ocean you see where you end up in the ocean you see where you end up in the ocean you see where you end up you know yeah yeah and there's Universe you know yeah yeah and there's Universe you know yeah yeah and there's Universe has a kind of sense of humor yeah I has a kind of sense of humor yeah I has a kind of sense of humor yeah I guess you have to just yeah allow guess you have to just yeah allow guess you have to just yeah allow yourself to be carried away by the wayes yourself to be carried away by the wayes yourself to be carried away by the wayes yeah exactly yeah yeah have you felt yeah exactly yeah yeah have you felt yeah exactly yeah yeah have you felt that way in your life yeah all the time that way in your life yeah all the time that way in your life yeah all the time like yeah that's like I think that's the

like yeah that's like I think that's the like yeah that's like I think that's the best way to live your life so whatever best way to live your life so whatever best way to live your life so whatever to happen like do you know what you're to happen like do you know what you're to happen like do you know what you're doing in the next few years is it doing in the next few years is it doing in the next few years is it possible that it'll be completely like possible that it'll be completely like possible that it'll be completely like changed possibly I I think relationships changed possibly I I think relationships changed possibly I I think relationships like you want to hold relationships like you want to hold relationships like you want to hold relationships right you want to hold your girlfriend right you want to hold your girlfriend right you want to hold your girlfriend you want to become wife and all the you want to become wife and all the you want to become wife and all the stuff but uh you should I think you stuff but uh you should I think you stuff but uh you should I think you should stay open to where like like for should stay open to where like like for should stay open to where like like for example where you want to live like I example where you want to live like I example where you want to live like I don't know we don't know where we want don't know we don't know where we want don't know we don't know where we want to live for example um that's something to live for example um that's something to live for example um that's something that will figure itself out it will that will figure itself out it will that will figure itself out it will crystallize where you know you will get crystallize where you know you will get crystallize where you know you will get you will get sent by the waves to you will get sent by the waves to you will get sent by the waves to somewhere where you want to live for somewhere where you want to live for somewhere where you want to live for example what you're going to do I think example what you're going to do I think example what you're going to do I think that's a really good way to live your that's a really good way to live your that's a really good way to live your life it's I I think most stress comes life it's I I think most stress comes life it's I I think most stress comes from trying to control like hold things from trying to control like hold things from trying to control like hold things like um it's kind of Buddhist you know like um it's kind of Buddhist you know like um it's kind of Buddhist you know you need to like lose control let it you need to like lose control let it you need to like lose control let it lose and then things will happen like lose and then things will happen like lose and then things will happen like when you do mushrooms when you do drugs when you do mushrooms when you do drugs when you do mushrooms when you do drugs like psychedelic drugs the people that like psychedelic drugs the people that like psychedelic drugs the people that starts that are like control freaks get starts that are like control freaks get starts that are like control freaks get bad trips right because you need to let bad trips right because you need to let bad trips right because you need to let go like I'm pretty control freak go like I'm pretty control freak go like I'm pretty control freak actually and um when I did mushrooms actually and um when I did mushrooms actually and um when I did mushrooms when I was 17 I I it was very good and when I was 17 I I it was very good and when I was 17 I I it was very good and at the end it wasn't so good cuz I tried at the end it wasn't so good cuz I tried at the end it wasn't so good cuz I tried to control was like ah now it's going to control was like ah now it's going to control was like ah now it's going too much you now I need to let's stop too much you now I need to let's stop too much you now I need to let's stop bro you can't stop it you need to go bro you can't stop it you need to go bro you can't stop it you need to go through with it you know and so I think through with it you know and so I think through with it you know and so I think it's a good manhor for life I think it's a good manhor for life I think it's a good manhor for life I think that's you know very tranquil way to that's you know very tranquil way to that's you know very tranquil way to lead your life yeah actually when I um lead your life yeah actually when I um lead your life yeah actually when I um took took took kaasa that lesson is deeply within me kaasa that lesson is deeply within me kaasa that lesson is deeply within me already that you can't control anything already that you can't control anything already that you can't control anything yes I think I probably learned that the yes I think I probably learned that the yes I think I probably learned that the most in Jiu-Jitsu so just let go and most in Jiu-Jitsu so just let go and most in Jiu-Jitsu so just let go and relax yeah and that's why I had just an relax yeah and that's why I had just an relax yeah and that's why I had just an incredible experience there's like

incredible experience there's like incredible experience there's like literally no negative aspect to my iasa literally no negative aspect to my iasa literally no negative aspect to my iasa experience or any psychedelics I've ever experience or any psychedelics I've ever experience or any psychedelics I've ever had some of that could be with my had some of that could be with my had some of that could be with my biology or my genetics whatever but some biology or my genetics whatever but some biology or my genetics whatever but some of it was just not trying to control and of it was just not trying to control and of it was just not trying to control and just surf the way for sure I think most just surf the way for sure I think most just surf the way for sure I think most stress in life comes from trying to stress in life comes from trying to stress in life comes from trying to control so once you have the idea yeah control so once you have the idea yeah control so once you have the idea yeah step two build how do you think about step two build how do you think about step two build how do you think about building The Thing Once you have the building The Thing Once you have the building The Thing Once you have the idea I think you should build with the idea I think you should build with the idea I think you should build with the technology that you know so for example technology that you know so for example technology that you know so for example um Nomad list which is like this website um Nomad list which is like this website um Nomad list which is like this website I made to figure out the best cities to I made to figure out the best cities to I made to figure out the best cities to live and work as digital Nomad uh it live and work as digital Nomad uh it live and work as digital Nomad uh it wasn't a website it launched as a Google wasn't a website it launched as a Google wasn't a website it launched as a Google spreadsheet so it was a public Google spreadsheet so it was a public Google spreadsheet so it was a public Google spreadsheet anybody could edit and I was spreadsheet anybody could edit and I was spreadsheet anybody could edit and I was like I'm collecting like cities where we like I'm collecting like cities where we like I'm collecting like cities where we we can live as eom with the internet we can live as eom with the internet we can live as eom with the internet speed the cost of living um you know speed the cost of living um you know speed the cost of living um you know other stuff and I would I tweeted it and other stuff and I would I tweeted it and other stuff and I would I tweeted it and I would and back then I didn't have a I would and back then I didn't have a I would and back then I didn't have a lot of followers I had like a few lot of followers I had like a few lot of followers I had like a few thousand followers or something and it thousand followers or something and it thousand followers or something and it went like viral for my skill viral back went like viral for my skill viral back went like viral for my skill viral back then you know which was like five then you know which was like five then you know which was like five retweets and um and a lot of people retweets and um and a lot of people retweets and um and a lot of people started editing it and there was like started editing it and there was like started editing it and there was like hundreds of cities in this list like hundreds of cities in this list like hundreds of cities in this list like from of the world with all the data was from of the world with all the data was from of the world with all the data was very crowdsourced and then I made that very crowdsourced and then I made that very crowdsourced and then I made that into a website so figuring out like what into a website so figuring out like what into a website so figuring out like what technology you can use that you already technology you can use that you already technology you can use that you already know so if you cannot code you can use a know so if you cannot code you can use a know so if you cannot code you can use a spreadsheet if you cannot um use a spreadsheet if you cannot um use a spreadsheet if you cannot um use a spreadsheet like whatever you can always spreadsheet like whatever you can always spreadsheet like whatever you can always use a for example a website generator use a for example a website generator use a for example a website generator like weeks or something or Squarespace like weeks or something or Squarespace like weeks or something or Squarespace right like you don't need to code to right like you don't need to code to right like you don't need to code to build a startup all you need is a idea build a startup all you need is a idea build a startup all you need is a idea for a product um build something like a for a product um build something like a for a product um build something like a landing page or something um put a

landing page or something um put a landing page or something um put a stripe button on there and then make it stripe button on there and then make it stripe button on there and then make it um and if you can code use the language um and if you can code use the language um and if you can code use the language that you already you know and start that you already you know and start that you already you know and start coding with that and see how far you can coding with that and see how far you can coding with that and see how far you can get you can always rewrite the code get you can always rewrite the code get you can always rewrite the code later like the tax stack is not actually later like the tax stack is not actually later like the tax stack is not actually it's not the most important of a it's not the most important of a it's not the most important of a business when you're starting out a business when you're starting out a business when you're starting out a business the important thing is that you business the important thing is that you business the important thing is that you validate that there's a market that validate that there's a market that validate that there's a market that there's a product that people want to there's a product that people want to there's a product that people want to pay for um so use whatever you can use pay for um so use whatever you can use pay for um so use whatever you can use and if you canot code use you know and if you canot code use you know and if you canot code use you know spreadsheets landing page generators spreadsheets landing page generators spreadsheets landing page generators whatever yeah and the crowdsourcing whatever yeah and the crowdsourcing whatever yeah and the crowdsourcing element is element is element is fascinating uh it's cool it's cool when fascinating uh it's cool it's cool when fascinating uh it's cool it's cool when a lot of people start using it you get a lot of people start using it you get a lot of people start using it you get to learn so fast yeah uh like i' I've to learn so fast yeah uh like i' I've to learn so fast yeah uh like i' I've actually did the spread sheeet thing you actually did the spread sheeet thing you actually did the spread sheeet thing you share a spreadsheet share a spreadsheet share a spreadsheet publicly and I made it editable yeah publicly and I made it editable yeah publicly and I made it editable yeah interesting things start happening yeah interesting things start happening yeah interesting things start happening yeah I did it for like a a workout thing cuz I did it for like a a workout thing cuz I did it for like a a workout thing cuz I was doing a large amount of push-ups I was doing a large amount of push-ups I was doing a large amount of push-ups and pull-ups every day yeah I remember and pull-ups every day yeah I remember and pull-ups every day yeah I remember this man yeah and like and and IDE this man yeah and like and and IDE this man yeah and like and and IDE Google Sheets is pretty Limited in that Google Sheets is pretty Limited in that Google Sheets is pretty Limited in that everything's allowed so people could everything's allowed so people could everything's allowed so people could just write anything in any and they can just write anything in any and they can just write anything in any and they can create new uh sheets new tabs and he create new uh sheets new tabs and he create new uh sheets new tabs and he just just just exploded and uh one of the things that I exploded and uh one of the things that I exploded and uh one of the things that I really enjoyed is there's very few really enjoyed is there's very few really enjoyed is there's very few trolls um because actually other people trolls um because actually other people trolls um because actually other people would delete the trolls there would be would delete the trolls there would be would delete the trolls there would be like this weird war of like of they they like this weird war of like of they they like this weird war of like of they they want like to protect the thing it's an want like to protect the thing it's an want like to protect the thing it's an immune system that's inherent to the immune system that's inherent to the immune system that's inherent to the thing it becomes a society you know in a thing it becomes a society you know in a thing it becomes a society you know in a spreadsheet and then there's the out spreadsheet and then there's the out spreadsheet and then there's the out Outcast who go to the bottom of the Outcast who go to the bottom of the Outcast who go to the bottom of the spreadsheet and they would try to had

spreadsheet and they would try to had spreadsheet and they would try to had messages and they like I don't want to messages and they like I don't want to messages and they like I don't want to be with the cool kids up at the top of be with the cool kids up at the top of be with the cool kids up at the top of the spreadsheet so I'm going the bottom the spreadsheet so I'm going the bottom the spreadsheet so I'm going the bottom yes it's fast I mean but that kind of yes it's fast I mean but that kind of yes it's fast I mean but that kind of crowdsourcing element is really powerful crowdsourcing element is really powerful crowdsourcing element is really powerful and if you can create a product that use and if you can create a product that use and if you can create a product that use that as a to his benefit that's that's that as a to his benefit that's that's that as a to his benefit that's that's really nice like any kind of voting really nice like any kind of voting really nice like any kind of voting system any kind of rating system for A system any kind of rating system for A system any kind of rating system for A and B testing is really really really and B testing is really really really and B testing is really really really fascinating so anyway so NAD list is fascinating so anyway so NAD list is fascinating so anyway so NAD list is great I would I would love for you to great I would I would love for you to great I would I would love for you to talk about that but one sort of way to talk about that but one sort of way to talk about that but one sort of way to talk about it is talk about it is talk about it is uh through you building uh Hood Maps uh through you building uh Hood Maps uh through you building uh Hood Maps yeah so you've you did an awesome thing yeah so you've you did an awesome thing yeah so you've you did an awesome thing which is document yourself building the which is document yourself building the which is document yourself building the thing and doing so in just a handful of thing and doing so in just a handful of thing and doing so in just a handful of days like three four five days so people days like three four five days so people days like three four five days so people should je definitely check out the video should je definitely check out the video should je definitely check out the video in the in the blog post um can you can in the in the blog post um can you can in the in the blog post um can you can you explain what Hood Maps is and what you explain what Hood Maps is and what you explain what Hood Maps is and what this whole like this process was so I this whole like this process was so I this whole like this process was so I was traveling and I was still trying to was traveling and I was still trying to was traveling and I was still trying to find like problems right and I would go find like problems right and I would go find like problems right and I would go I would I would discover that like I would I would discover that like I would I would discover that like everybody's experience of a city is everybody's experience of a city is everybody's experience of a city is different because they stay in different different because they stay in different different because they stay in different areas yeah so I'm from Amsterdam and areas yeah so I'm from Amsterdam and areas yeah so I'm from Amsterdam and when I grew up uh in Amsterdam or didn't when I grew up uh in Amsterdam or didn't when I grew up uh in Amsterdam or didn't grew up but I lived there University I grew up but I lived there University I grew up but I lived there University I knew that Center is like in Europe the knew that Center is like in Europe the knew that Center is like in Europe the centers are always tourist areas so centers are always tourist areas so centers are always tourist areas so they're super busy they're not very they're super busy they're not very they're super busy they're not very authentic the cult they're not really authentic the cult they're not really authentic the cult they're not really Dutch culture it's Amsterdam tourist Dutch culture it's Amsterdam tourist Dutch culture it's Amsterdam tourist culture you know so when people would culture you know so when people would culture you know so when people would travel to amam would say don't go to the travel to amam would say don't go to the travel to amam would say don't go to the center go to you know Southeast um of center go to you know Southeast um of center go to you know Southeast um of the center the yordan or the pipe or the center the yordan or the pipe or the center the yordan or the pipe or something more hipster areas like a something more hipster areas like a something more hipster areas like a little more authentic culture of little more authentic culture of little more authentic culture of Amsterdam that's where I would live you

Amsterdam that's where I would live you Amsterdam that's where I would live you know and where I would go um and I know and where I would go um and I know and where I would go um and I thought this could be like a app where thought this could be like a app where thought this could be like a app where you can have like a Google Maps and you you can have like a Google Maps and you you can have like a Google Maps and you put colors over it you have like areas put colors over it you have like areas put colors over it you have like areas that are like color coded like red is that are like color coded like red is that are like color coded like red is tourist green is Rich you know green tourist green is Rich you know green tourist green is Rich you know green money yellow is hipster you can figure money yellow is hipster you can figure money yellow is hipster you can figure out where you need to go in a city when out where you need to go in a city when out where you need to go in a city when you travel because I was traveling a lot you travel because I was traveling a lot you travel because I was traveling a lot I wanted to go to the cool spots so just I wanted to go to the cool spots so just I wanted to go to the cool spots so just use color color yeah yeah and I would use color color yeah yeah and I would use color color yeah yeah and I would use a canvas so I thought okay what do I use a canvas so I thought okay what do I use a canvas so I thought okay what do I need I need to did you know that you need I need to did you know that you need I need to did you know that you would be using a canvas no I didn't know would be using a canvas no I didn't know would be using a canvas no I didn't know it was possible cuz I didn't no some it was possible cuz I didn't no some it was possible cuz I didn't no some this is the cool this is the cool thing this is the cool this is the cool thing this is the cool this is the cool thing people should really check out this how people should really check out this how people should really check out this how it started because like you honestly it started because like you honestly it started because like you honestly capture so beautifully the The Humbling capture so beautifully the The Humbling capture so beautifully the The Humbling aspects of the embarrassing aspects of aspects of the embarrassing aspects of aspects of the embarrassing aspects of like not knowing what to do it's like like not knowing what to do it's like like not knowing what to do it's like how do I how do I do this and you like how do I how do I do this and you like how do I how do I do this and you like document yourself yeah you're right dude document yourself yeah you're right dude document yourself yeah you're right dude I feel embarrassed about I feel embarrassed about I feel embarrassed about myself oh really yeah it's called being myself oh really yeah it's called being myself oh really yeah it's called being alive nice um so you're like you don't alive nice um so you're like you don't alive nice um so you're like you don't know anything about so canvas is a way know anything about so canvas is a way know anything about so canvas is a way is HTM yes HTML is HTM yes HTML is HTM yes HTML five thing that allows you to draw five thing that allows you to draw five thing that allows you to draw shapes draw images just draw pixels shapes draw images just draw pixels shapes draw images just draw pixels essentially so yeah and that's there was essentially so yeah and that's there was essentially so yeah and that's there was special back then because before you special back then because before you special back then because before you could only have like elements right so could only have like elements right so could only have like elements right so you want to draw a pixel use a convos you want to draw a pixel use a convos you want to draw a pixel use a convos and I knew I needed to draw pixels and I knew I needed to draw pixels and I knew I needed to draw pixels because I need to draw these colors and because I need to draw these colors and because I need to draw these colors and I thought like okay I'll get like a I thought like okay I'll get like a I thought like okay I'll get like a Google Maps iframe embed and then I'll Google Maps iframe embed and then I'll Google Maps iframe embed and then I'll put a div on top of it with the colors put a div on top of it with the colors put a div on top of it with the colors and I'll do like opacity 50 you know so and I'll do like opacity 50 you know so and I'll do like opacity 50 you know so it kind of shows um so I did that with it kind of shows um so I did that with it kind of shows um so I did that with convos and then I started drawing um and convos and then I started drawing um and convos and then I started drawing um and then I felt like obviously other people

then I felt like obviously other people then I felt like obviously other people need to edit this cuz I cannot draw all need to edit this cuz I cannot draw all need to edit this cuz I cannot draw all these things myself so I crowdsourced it these things myself so I crowdsourced it these things myself so I crowdsourced it again and I uh you would draw on the map again and I uh you would draw on the map again and I uh you would draw on the map and then it would send the pixel data to and then it would send the pixel data to and then it would send the pixel data to the server it would put it in the the server it would put it in the the server it would put it in the database and then I would have a robot database and then I would have a robot database and then I would have a robot running like a Cron job MH which every running like a Cron job MH which every running like a Cron job MH which every week would calculate or every day would week would calculate or every day would week would calculate or every day would calculate like okay so mm Center there's calculate like okay so mm Center there's calculate like okay so mm Center there's like six people say it's tourist this like six people say it's tourist this like six people say it's tourist this part of the center but two people say part of the center but two people say part of the center but two people say it's like hipster okay so the tourist it's like hipster okay so the tourist it's like hipster okay so the tourist part wins right it's just an array so so part wins right it's just an array so so part wins right it's just an array so so find the most common value in a little find the most common value in a little find the most common value in a little pixel area on a map so so that so most pixel area on a map so so that so most pixel area on a map so so that so most people say it's tourist it's tourist and people say it's tourist it's tourist and people say it's tourist it's tourist and it becomes redh and I would do that for it becomes redh and I would do that for it becomes redh and I would do that for you know older GPS Corners in the world you know older GPS Corners in the world you know older GPS Corners in the world can we just clarify do you have to be as can we just clarify do you have to be as can we just clarify do you have to be as a human that's contributing to this do a human that's contributing to this do a human that's contributing to this do you have to be in that location to make you have to be in that location to make you have to be in that location to make the label or no people just type in the label or no people just type in the label or no people just type in cities and go like go berserk and start cities and go like go berserk and start cities and go like go berserk and start drawing everywhere would they draw drawing everywhere would they draw drawing everywhere would they draw shapes or would they draw pixels man shapes or would they draw pixels man shapes or would they draw pixels man they drew that crazy stuff like they drew that crazy stuff like they drew that crazy stuff like offensive symbols I cannot mention they offensive symbols I cannot mention they offensive symbols I cannot mention they would draw penises I mean that's would draw penises I mean that's would draw penises I mean that's that's obviously a guy I would do the that's obviously a guy I would do the that's obviously a guy I would do the same thing draw penises that's the first same thing draw penises that's the first same thing draw penises that's the first thing when I show up to Mars and there's thing when I show up to Mars and there's thing when I show up to Mars and there's no cameras I'm drawing penis on the same no cameras I'm drawing penis on the same no cameras I'm drawing penis on the same man I do it in the snow you know but the man I do it in the snow you know but the man I do it in the snow you know but the penises did not become a problem because penises did not become a problem because penises did not become a problem because I knew that not everybody would draw a I knew that not everybody would draw a I knew that not everybody would draw a penis and not in the same place so most penis and not in the same place so most penis and not in the same place so most people would use it fairly so just if I people would use it fairly so just if I people would use it fairly so just if I had enough crowdsource data so you have had enough crowdsource data so you have had enough crowdsource data so you have all these pixels on top of each it's all these pixels on top of each it's all these pixels on top of each it's like a layer of pixels and you choose like a layer of pixels and you choose like a layer of pixels and you choose the most common pixel so yeah it's just the most common pixel so yeah it's just the most common pixel so yeah it's just like a bow but in visual format and it like a bow but in visual format and it like a bow but in visual format and it worked and uh we didn't we had enough worked and uh we didn't we had enough worked and uh we didn't we had enough data and and and it was like cities that data and and and it was like cities that data and and and it was like cities that did really well like Los Angeles a lot

did really well like Los Angeles a lot did really well like Los Angeles a lot of people started using it uh like most of people started using it uh like most of people started using it uh like most datas in Los Angeles because uh Los datas in Los Angeles because uh Los datas in Los Angeles because uh Los Angeles is has defined neighborhoods Angeles is has defined neighborhoods Angeles is has defined neighborhoods yeah and not just in terms of the the yeah and not just in terms of the the yeah and not just in terms of the the official labels but like what they're official labels but like what they're official labels but like what they're known for yeah what are the do you did known for yeah what are the do you did known for yeah what are the do you did you provide the categories that they you provide the categories that they you provide the categories that they were allowed to use as labels the colors were allowed to use as labels the colors were allowed to use as labels the colors yeah as colors so it used like I think yeah as colors so it used like I think yeah as colors so it used like I think you can see there there's like hipster you can see there there's like hipster you can see there there's like hipster tourist rich tourist rich tourist rich business so there's always a business business so there's always a business business so there's always a business area right and then there's a area right and then there's a area right and then there's a residential residential is gray so I residential residential is gray so I residential residential is gray so I thought those were the most common thought those were the most common thought those were the most common things in the city kind of and a little things in the city kind of and a little things in the city kind of and a little bit Mimi like it's almost fun to label bit Mimi like it's almost fun to label bit Mimi like it's almost fun to label it as yeah I mean obviously it's it as yeah I mean obviously it's it as yeah I mean obviously it's simplified and but you need to simplify simplified and but you need to simplify simplified and but you need to simplify this stuff you know you don't want to this stuff you know you don't want to this stuff you know you don't want to have too many categories and it's have too many categories and it's have too many categories and it's essentially just like like using a you essentially just like like using a you essentially just like like using a you know paintbrush where you you select the know paintbrush where you you select the know paintbrush where you you select the color in the bottom you select the color in the bottom you select the color in the bottom you select the category and you start drawing there's category and you start drawing there's category and you start drawing there's no instruction there's no manual um and no instruction there's no manual um and no instruction there's no manual um and then I also added tagging so people then I also added tagging so people then I also added tagging so people could like write something on a specific could like write something on a specific could like write something on a specific location so don't go here or like here's location so don't go here or like here's location so don't go here or like here's like um nice cafes and stuff and man the like um nice cafes and stuff and man the like um nice cafes and stuff and man the memes that came from that and I also memes that came from that and I also memes that came from that and I also added up voting so that the tags could added up voting so that the tags could added up voting so that the tags could be upvoted so the memes that came from be upvoted so the memes that came from be upvoted so the memes that came from that is like amazing like people in Los that is like amazing like people in Los that is like amazing like people in Los Angeles would write crazy stuff it would Angeles would write crazy stuff it would Angeles would write crazy stuff it would go viral in all these cities you can go viral in all these cities you can go viral in all these cities you can allow allow your location and it will allow allow your location and it will allow allow your location and it will probably send you to Austin okay so probably send you to Austin okay so probably send you to Austin okay so we're we're we're looking uh oh boy uh drunk hipster uh air bro and Bros air bro BR hipster

uh air bro and Bros air bro BR hipster girls who do cocaine I saw a guy in a girls who do cocaine I saw a guy in a girls who do cocaine I saw a guy in a fish costume get beaten up here yep that fish costume get beaten up here yep that fish costume get beaten up here yep that seems also ACC overpriced and underwhelming uh let me see let me make underwhelming uh let me see let me make sure this is accurate uh let's see 36th for people who know Austin know see 36th for people who know Austin know that that's that that's that that's important to label six street is uh important to label six street is uh important to label six street is uh famous in Austin dirty six drunk Fat famous in Austin dirty six drunk Fat famous in Austin dirty six drunk Fat Boys accurate drunk Fat Bros continued Boys accurate drunk Fat Bros continued Boys accurate drunk Fat Bros continued on six very well West Sixth drunk douche on six very well West Sixth drunk douche on six very well West Sixth drunk douche Bros go from frat to douche douche I Bros go from frat to douche douche I Bros go from frat to douche douche I mean it's very accurate so mean it's very accurate so mean it's very accurate so far uh they only let hot people live far uh they only let hot people live far uh they only let hot people live here here here that's I think that might be accurate uh that's I think that might be accurate uh that's I think that might be accurate uh it's like the it's like the it's like the district exercise freaks on the river district exercise freaks on the river district exercise freaks on the river yeah that's true dog Runners accurate yeah that's true dog Runners accurate yeah that's true dog Runners accurate saw a guy in the fish costume get beat saw a guy in the fish costume get beat saw a guy in the fish costume get beat up here I want to know the story like so up here I want to know the story like so up here I want to know the story like so that's that's all user contributed yeah that's that's all user contributed yeah that's that's all user contributed yeah and that's like stuff I couldn't come up and that's like stuff I couldn't come up and that's like stuff I couldn't come up with it because I don't know Austin I with it because I don't know Austin I with it because I don't know Austin I don't know the memes here in the don't know the memes here in the don't know the memes here in the subcultures and then me as a USIC can subcultures and then me as a USIC can subcultures and then me as a USIC can upload or downlo this so this is upload or downlo this so this is upload or downlo this so this is completely Crown cuz of RIT you know up completely Crown cuz of RIT you know up completely Crown cuz of RIT you know up down vote took it from there hey that's down vote took it from there hey that's down vote took it from there hey that's really really really powerful single really really really powerful single really really really powerful single people dogs accurate at which point did people dogs accurate at which point did people dogs accurate at which point did it go from colors to the actually it go from colors to the actually it go from colors to the actually showing the text I think I added the showing the text I think I added the showing the text I think I added the text like a week a week after and uh so text like a week a week after and uh so text like a week a week after and uh so here's like the pixels so that's really here's like the pixels so that's really here's like the pixels so that's really cool the pixels how do you go from that cool the pixels how do you go from that cool the pixels how do you go from that that's a huge amount of data so there's

that's a huge amount of data so there's that's a huge amount of data so there's yeah uh we're now looking at an image yeah uh we're now looking at an image yeah uh we're now looking at an image where it's just a sea of pixels that where it's just a sea of pixels that where it's just a sea of pixels that call of different colors in in a city so call of different colors in in a city so call of different colors in in a city so how do you combine that to be a thing how do you combine that to be a thing how do you combine that to be a thing that actually makes some sense I think that actually makes some sense I think that actually makes some sense I think here the problem was that you have this here the problem was that you have this here the problem was that you have this data but it's like it's not locked to data but it's like it's not locked to data but it's like it's not locked to one location yeah so I had to normalize one location yeah so I had to normalize one location yeah so I had to normalize it so when you click when you draw on a it so when you click when you draw on a it so when you click when you draw on a map it will show you the specific pixel map it will show you the specific pixel map it will show you the specific pixel location and you can convert the pixel location and you can convert the pixel location and you can convert the pixel location to a GPS coordinate right like location to a GPS coordinate right like location to a GPS coordinate right like latitude longitudes but the number will latitude longitudes but the number will latitude longitudes but the number will have a lot of commas or a lot of have a lot of commas or a lot of have a lot of commas or a lot of decimals right because it's very decimals right because it's very decimals right because it's very specific like it's like this specific specific like it's like this specific specific like it's like this specific part of the table so what you want to do part of the table so what you want to do part of the table so what you want to do is you want to take that pixel and you is you want to take that pixel and you is you want to take that pixel and you want to normalize it by removing like want to normalize it by removing like want to normalize it by removing like decimals um which I discovered so that decimals um which I discovered so that decimals um which I discovered so that you you're talking about this you you're talking about this you you're talking about this neighborhood this or this street right neighborhood this or this street right neighborhood this or this street right so that's what I did I just took the so that's what I did I just took the so that's what I did I just took the decimals off and then I saved it like decimals off and then I saved it like decimals off and then I saved it like this and then it starts um going to like this and then it starts um going to like this and then it starts um going to like a grid and then you have like a grid of a grid and then you have like a grid of a grid and then you have like a grid of data you get like a pixel map kind of data you get like a pixel map kind of data you get like a pixel map kind of and then you said it looks kind of ugly and then you said it looks kind of ugly and then you said it looks kind of ugly so then you smooth it yeah I started so then you smooth it yeah I started so then you smooth it yeah I started adding blurring and stuff I think now adding blurring and stuff I think now adding blurring and stuff I think now it's it's not smooth again because I it's it's not smooth again because I it's it's not smooth again because I liked it better people like the pixel liked it better people like the pixel liked it better people like the pixel look kind of yeah a lot of people use it look kind of yeah a lot of people use it look kind of yeah a lot of people use it and it keeps going viral and every time and it keeps going viral and every time and it keeps going viral and every time my my maps Bill uh like map box I had to my my maps Bill uh like map box I had to my my maps Bill uh like map box I had to stop using first used Google Maps it stop using first used Google Maps it stop using first used Google Maps it went viral and Google Maps it was out of went viral and Google Maps it was out of went viral and Google Maps it was out of credits so I and I had to so funny credits so I and I had to so funny credits so I and I had to so funny during when I launched it went viral um during when I launched it went viral um during when I launched it went viral um Google Maps the map didn't load anymore Google Maps the map didn't load anymore Google Maps the map didn't load anymore it says over the limit you need to it says over the limit you need to it says over the limit you need to contact Enterprise sales and I'm like I contact Enterprise sales and I'm like I contact Enterprise sales and I'm like I but I need now like a map so and I don't but I need now like a map so and I don't but I need now like a map so and I don't want to contact Enterprise sales I don't

want to contact Enterprise sales I don't want to contact Enterprise sales I don't want to go on a call schedule with some want to go on a call schedule with some want to go on a call schedule with some calendar so I switched to mapbox and calendar so I switched to mapbox and calendar so I switched to mapbox and then had mapbox for years and then it then had mapbox for years and then it then had mapbox for years and then it went viral and I had a bill of $20,000 went viral and I had a bill of $20,000 went viral and I had a bill of $20,000 was like last year um so they helped me was like last year um so they helped me was like last year um so they helped me with the bill they said you know you can with the bill they said you know you can with the bill they said you know you can pay less and then I now switch to like a pay less and then I now switch to like a pay less and then I now switch to like a open source kind of um map platform so open source kind of um map platform so open source kind of um map platform so it's very expensive project and it never it's very expensive project and it never it's very expensive project and it never made any dollar money but it's very fun made any dollar money but it's very fun made any dollar money but it's very fun but it's very expensive what do you but it's very expensive what do you but it's very expensive what do you learn from that so like from that learn from that so like from that learn from that so like from that experience cuz when you leverage experience cuz when you leverage experience cuz when you leverage somebody else's through the API yeah I somebody else's through the API yeah I somebody else's through the API yeah I mean I don't think a map hosting service mean I don't think a map hosting service mean I don't think a map hosting service should cost this much you know but uh I should cost this much you know but uh I should cost this much you know but uh I could host it myself but that would be I could host it myself but that would be I could host it myself but that would be I don't know how to do that you know but I don't know how to do that you know but I don't know how to do that you know but I could do that yes it's super complicated could do that yes it's super complicated could do that yes it's super complicated I think that the thing is more about I think that the thing is more about I think that the thing is more about like you can't make money with this like you can't make money with this like you can't make money with this project I tried to do many things to project I tried to do many things to project I tried to do many things to make money with it and it's it's uh it make money with it and it's it's uh it make money with it and it's it's uh it hasn't worked you talked about like hasn't worked you talked about like hasn't worked you talked about like possibly doing advertisements on it or possibly doing advertisements on it or possibly doing advertisements on it or some somehow or people sponsoring it some somehow or people sponsoring it some somehow or people sponsoring it yeah well it's really surprising to me yeah well it's really surprising to me yeah well it's really surprising to me that people don't want to advertise on that people don't want to advertise on that people don't want to advertise on it I think map apps are very hard to it I think map apps are very hard to it I think map apps are very hard to like monetize like Google Maps also like monetize like Google Maps also like monetize like Google Maps also doesn't really make money like sometimes doesn't really make money like sometimes doesn't really make money like sometimes you see these ads but I don't think you see these ads but I don't think you see these ads but I don't think there's a lot of money there um you there's a lot of money there um you there's a lot of money there um you could put like a banner ad but it's kind could put like a banner ad but it's kind could put like a banner ad but it's kind of ugly and the project is kind of like of ugly and the project is kind of like of ugly and the project is kind of like it's kind of cool so it's it's kind of it's kind of cool so it's it's kind of it's kind of cool so it's it's kind of fun to like subsidize it it's kind of a fun to like subsidize it it's kind of a fun to like subsidize it it's kind of a little bit part of nomad list like I put little bit part of nomad list like I put little bit part of nomad list like I put it on Nomad list in the cities as well it on Nomad list in the cities as well it on Nomad list in the cities as well um but I also realized like you don't um but I also realized like you don't um but I also realized like you don't need to monetize everything like some need to monetize everything like some need to monetize everything like some projects are just cool and you know it's projects are just cool and you know it's projects are just cool and you know it's like it's cool to have Hood Maps exist I

like it's cool to have Hood Maps exist I like it's cool to have Hood Maps exist I I I want this to exist right yeah I I want this to exist right yeah I I want this to exist right yeah there's a bunch of stuff you've created there's a bunch of stuff you've created there's a bunch of stuff you've created that I'm just glad exists in this world that I'm just glad exists in this world that I'm just glad exists in this world that's true and it's a whole another that's true and it's a whole another that's true and it's a whole another puzzle and I'm surprised to figure out puzzle and I'm surprised to figure out puzzle and I'm surprised to figure out how to make money off of it I'm how to make money off of it I'm how to make money off of it I'm surprised Maps don't make money but surprised Maps don't make money but surprised Maps don't make money but you're right it's it's hard it's hard to you're right it's it's hard it's hard to you're right it's it's hard it's hard to make money cuz there's there's a lot of make money cuz there's there's a lot of make money cuz there's there's a lot of compute required to actually bring it to compute required to actually bring it to compute required to actually bring it to life also where do you put the ad right life also where do you put the ad right life also where do you put the ad right like if you have a website you can put like if you have a website you can put like if you have a website you can put like a ad box or you can do like a like a ad box or you can do like a like a ad box or you can do like a product placement or something but product placement or something but product placement or something but you're talking about a map app that you're talking about a map app that you're talking about a map app that where 90% of the interface is a map so where 90% of the interface is a map so where 90% of the interface is a map so what are you going to do you're going to what are you going to do you're going to what are you going to do you're going to like like it's hard to figure out where like like it's hard to figure out where like like it's hard to figure out where is this yeah and people don't want to is this yeah and people don't want to is this yeah and people don't want to pay for it no exactly because if you pay for it no exactly because if you pay for it no exactly because if you make people pay for it you lose 99% of make people pay for it you lose 99% of make people pay for it you lose 99% of the user base and you lose the the user base and you lose the the user base and you lose the crowdsource data so it's not fun anymore crowdsource data so it's not fun anymore crowdsource data so it's not fun anymore it stops being accurate right so you it stops being accurate right so you it stops being accurate right so you kind of they pay for it by crowdsourcing kind of they pay for it by crowdsourcing kind of they pay for it by crowdsourcing the data but then yeah it's fine you the data but then yeah it's fine you the data but then yeah it's fine you know it doesn't make money but it's it's know it doesn't make money but it's it's know it doesn't make money but it's it's cool but that said NAD list makes money cool but that said NAD list makes money cool but that said NAD list makes money yeah so what was the story behind Nomad yeah so what was the story behind Nomad yeah so what was the story behind Nomad list so Nomad list started because uh I list so Nomad list started because uh I list so Nomad list started because uh I was in Chang maai in Thailand which is was in Chang maai in Thailand which is was in Chang maai in Thailand which is now like the second City here and I was now like the second City here and I was now like the second City here and I was you know working on my laptop um I met you know working on my laptop um I met you know working on my laptop um I met like other NS there and I was like okay like other NS there and I was like okay like other NS there and I was like okay this seems like a cool thing to do like this seems like a cool thing to do like this seems like a cool thing to do like work on your laptop in a different work on your laptop in a different work on your laptop in a different country kind of travel around uh but country kind of travel around uh but country kind of travel around uh but back then the internet everywhere was back then the internet everywhere was back then the internet everywhere was very slow so the internet was fast in very slow so the internet was fast in very slow so the internet was fast in for example Holland or United States but for example Holland or United States but for example Holland or United States but in a lot of parts in in you know South in a lot of parts in in you know South in a lot of parts in in you know South America or Asia was very slow like 0.5 America or Asia was very slow like 0.5 America or Asia was very slow like 0.5 megabits so you you couldn't watch a megabits so you you couldn't watch a megabits so you you couldn't watch a Youtube video um Thailand weirdly had

Youtube video um Thailand weirdly had Youtube video um Thailand weirdly had like quite fast internet but I wanted to like quite fast internet but I wanted to like quite fast internet but I wanted to find like other cities where I could go find like other cities where I could go find like other cities where I could go to like work on my laptop whatever and to like work on my laptop whatever and to like work on my laptop whatever and travel and but we needed like fast travel and but we needed like fast travel and but we needed like fast internet so I was like let's you know internet so I was like let's you know internet so I was like let's you know crowdsource this information uh with a crowdsource this information uh with a crowdsource this information uh with a spreadsheet and I also also needed to spreadsheet and I also also needed to spreadsheet and I also also needed to know the cost of living cuz I didn't know the cost of living cuz I didn't know the cost of living cuz I didn't have a lot of money I had $500 a month have a lot of money I had $500 a month have a lot of money I had $500 a month so I had to find a place where like the so I had to find a place where like the so I had to find a place where like the rent was like you know $200 per month or rent was like you know $200 per month or rent was like you know $200 per month or something where I had you know some something where I had you know some something where I had you know some money uh that I could actually rent money uh that I could actually rent money uh that I could actually rent something and um and there was NAD list something and um and there was NAD list something and um and there was NAD list and it still runs now I think it's now and it still runs now I think it's now and it still runs now I think it's now almost 10 years so just to describe how almost 10 years so just to describe how almost 10 years so just to describe how it works like I'm looking at Chang ma it works like I'm looking at Chang ma it works like I'm looking at Chang ma here there's a total score it's rank here there's a total score it's rank here there's a total score it's rank number two yeah that's like a number number two yeah that's like a number number two yeah that's like a number score 4.82 uh like by members but it's score 4.82 uh like by members but it's score 4.82 uh like by members but it's uh it's looking at the internet in this uh it's looking at the internet in this uh it's looking at the internet in this case it's fast yeah fun temperature case it's fast yeah fun temperature case it's fast yeah fun temperature humidity air quality safety food safety humidity air quality safety food safety humidity air quality safety food safety uh crime racism or lack of crime lack of uh crime racism or lack of crime lack of uh crime racism or lack of crime lack of racism educational level power grid racism educational level power grid racism educational level power grid vulnerability to climate change income vulnerability to climate change income vulnerability to climate change income level it's a little much you know level it's a little much you know level it's a little much you know English speak it's awesome it's awesome English speak it's awesome it's awesome English speak it's awesome it's awesome walkability keep adding stuff cuz for walkability keep adding stuff cuz for walkability keep adding stuff cuz for certain groups of people certain things certain groups of people certain things certain groups of people certain things really matter and this is really cool really matter and this is really cool really matter and this is really cool happiness I'd love to ask about that not happiness I'd love to ask about that not happiness I'd love to ask about that not life free Wii by life free Wii by life free Wii by AC uh female friendly freedom of speech AC uh female friendly freedom of speech AC uh female friendly freedom of speech AP and not so good in tit you know AP and not so good in tit you know AP and not so good in tit you know values derived from National statistics values derived from National statistics values derived from National statistics my yeah I like how that one has I need my yeah I like how that one has I need my yeah I like how that one has I need to do that because the the data sets are to do that because the the data sets are to do that because the the data sets are usually National they're not on City usually National they're not on City usually National they're not on City level right so I don't know about the

level right so I don't know about the level right so I don't know about the freedom of speech between Bangkok or freedom of speech between Bangkok or freedom of speech between Bangkok or changai I know in Thailand I mean this changai I know in Thailand I mean this changai I know in Thailand I mean this is really fascinating so this is for is really fascinating so this is for is really fascinating so this is for City yeah it's basically raiding all the City yeah it's basically raiding all the City yeah it's basically raiding all the different things that matter to you in different things that matter to you in different things that matter to you in Internet and this is all crowdsourced Internet and this is all crowdsourced Internet and this is all crowdsourced well so it started crowdsourced but then well so it started crowdsourced but then well so it started crowdsourced but then um I realized that you can download more um I realized that you can download more um I realized that you can download more accurate data sets from like public accurate data sets from like public accurate data sets from like public Source like World Bank they have a lot Source like World Bank they have a lot Source like World Bank they have a lot of public data sets United Nations and of public data sets United Nations and of public data sets United Nations and you can download a lot of data there you can download a lot of data there you can download a lot of data there which you can you know freely use like I which you can you know freely use like I which you can you know freely use like I I started getting FR cross data where I started getting FR cross data where I started getting FR cross data where for example people from India they for example people from India they for example people from India they really love India and they would submit really love India and they would submit really love India and they would submit the best scores for everything in India the best scores for everything in India the best scores for everything in India and not just like one person but like a and not just like one person but like a and not just like one person but like a lot of people they would love to pump lot of people they would love to pump lot of people they would love to pump India and I'm like I love India too you India and I'm like I love India too you India and I'm like I love India too you know but uh that's not valid data so you know but uh that's not valid data so you know but uh that's not valid data so you started getting discrepancy in the data started getting discrepancy in the data started getting discrepancy in the data between people where people wear from between people where people wear from between people where people wear from and stuff so I I started switching to and stuff so I I started switching to and stuff so I I started switching to data sets and um and now it's mostly data sets and um and now it's mostly data sets and um and now it's mostly data sets but one thing that's still data sets but one thing that's still data sets but one thing that's still crowdsource is so people add where they crowdsource is so people add where they crowdsource is so people add where they are they add their travels to their are they add their travels to their are they add their travels to their profile and I use that data to see which profile and I use that data to see which profile and I use that data to see which plac are upcoming and which places are plac are upcoming and which places are plac are upcoming and which places are popular now so about half the ranking popular now so about half the ranking popular now so about half the ranking you see here is based on actual digital you see here is based on actual digital you see here is based on actual digital NAD who are there you can click on a NAD who are there you can click on a NAD who are there you can click on a city you can click on people and you can city you can click on people and you can city you can click on people and you can see the people the users that are see the people the users that are see the people the users that are actually there and it's like 30,000 or actually there and it's like 30,000 or actually there and it's like 30,000 or 40,000 members so these people are in 40,000 members so these people are in 40,000 members so these people are in Austin now and 1,800 remote work is in Austin now and 1,800 remote work is in Austin now and 1,800 remote work is in Austin now now of which eight plus Austin now now of which eight plus Austin now now of which eight plus members checked in U members who will be members checked in U members who will be members checked in U members who will be here soon and go yeah so we have meetups here soon and go yeah so we have meetups here soon and go yeah so we have meetups so people organize their own meetups and

so people organize their own meetups and so people organize their own meetups and we have about I think like 30 30 per we have about I think like 30 30 per we have about I think like 30 30 per month so it's like one Meetup a day and month so it's like one Meetup a day and month so it's like one Meetup a day and I don't do anything they organize I don't do anything they organize I don't do anything they organize themselves so I just it's a whole Black themselves so I just it's a whole Black themselves so I just it's a whole Black Box it just runs and I don't do a lot on Box it just runs and I don't do a lot on Box it just runs and I don't do a lot on it it pulls data from everywhere and it it it pulls data from everywhere and it it it pulls data from everywhere and it just just just works cons of Austin is too expensive works cons of Austin is too expensive works cons of Austin is too expensive very sweaty and humid now difficult to very sweaty and humid now difficult to very sweaty and humid now difficult to make friends difficult to make friends make friends difficult to make friends make friends difficult to make friends interesting right I didn't know that interesting right I didn't know that interesting right I didn't know that difficult to make friends Austin but difficult to make friends Austin but difficult to make friends Austin but this all crowd but mostly it's Pros uh this all crowd but mostly it's Pros uh this all crowd but mostly it's Pros uh safe fast internet I don't understand safe fast internet I don't understand safe fast internet I don't understand why it says not safe for women to check why it says not safe for women to check why it says not safe for women to check the data set it feels safe the problem the data set it feels safe the problem the data set it feels safe the problem with a lot of places like United States with a lot of places like United States with a lot of places like United States is that it depends per area right so if is that it depends per area right so if is that it depends per area right so if you get like City level data or Nation you get like City level data or Nation you get like City level data or Nation level data it's like Brazil's worst level data it's like Brazil's worst level data it's like Brazil's worst because the the range in like safe and because the the range in like safe and because the the range in like safe and wealthy and and not safe is like huge so wealthy and and not safe is like huge so wealthy and and not safe is like huge so you can't say many things about Brazil you can't say many things about Brazil you can't say many things about Brazil so once they actually show up to the so once they actually show up to the so once they actually show up to the city how do you figure out what uh what city how do you figure out what uh what city how do you figure out what uh what area like where to get fast internet for area like where to get fast internet for area like where to get fast internet for example like for me is all it's example like for me is all it's example like for me is all it's consistently a struggle to figure out consistently a struggle to figure out consistently a struggle to figure out like hotels with fast Wi-Fi for example like hotels with fast Wi-Fi for example like hotels with fast Wi-Fi for example like a place okay okay I show up to a like a place okay okay I show up to a like a place okay okay I show up to a city there's a lot of fascinating city there's a lot of fascinating city there's a lot of fascinating puzzles and I haven't figured out a way puzzles and I haven't figured out a way puzzles and I haven't figured out a way to actually solve this puzzle when I to actually solve this puzzle when I to actually solve this puzzle when I show up to City figuring out where I can show up to City figuring out where I can show up to City figuring out where I can get fast internet get fast internet get fast internet connection and uh for podcasting connection and uh for podcasting connection and uh for podcasting purposes where I can find a place with a purposes where I can find a place with a purposes where I can find a place with a table that's quiet right that's not easy table that's quiet right that's not easy table that's quiet right that's not easy construction sounds all kinds of sounds construction sounds all kinds of sounds construction sounds all kinds of sounds you have to learn about all the sources

you have to learn about all the sources you have to learn about all the sources of sounds in the world and also like the of sounds in the world and also like the of sounds in the world and also like the the quality of the room because the more the quality of the room because the more the quality of the room because the more um the the emptier of the room and like um the the emptier of the room and like um the the emptier of the room and like if it's just walls without any curtains if it's just walls without any curtains if it's just walls without any curtains or any of this kind of stuff then or any of this kind of stuff then or any of this kind of stuff then there's there's there's uh echo in the room anyway but you you uh echo in the room anyway but you you uh echo in the room anyway but you you figure out that a lot of hotels don't figure out that a lot of hotels don't figure out that a lot of hotels don't have tables they don't have like normal have tables they don't have like normal have tables they don't have like normal this weird desk right yeah they have this weird desk right yeah they have this weird desk right yeah they have it's not a center table yep and if you it's not a center table yep and if you it's not a center table yep and if you want to get a nicer hotel where it's want to get a nicer hotel where it's want to get a nicer hotel where it's more spacious and so on they usually more spacious and so on they usually more spacious and so on they usually have these like Boutique like fancy have these like Boutique like fancy have these like Boutique like fancy looking like modernist annoy tables that looking like modernist annoy tables that looking like modernist annoy tables that don't it's too Desy it's too design don't it's too Desy it's too design don't it's too Desy it's too design they're not really real tables why don't they're not really real tables why don't they're not really real tables why don't you get Ikea buy Ikea yeah before you you get Ikea buy Ikea yeah before you you get Ikea buy Ikea yeah before you arrive you order an Ikea like n this arrive you order an Ikea like n this arrive you order an Ikea like n this they get desks I feel like you should be they get desks I feel like you should be they get desks I feel like you should be able to show up to a place and have have able to show up to a place and have have able to show up to a place and have have the desk like it's not unless you stay the desk like it's not unless you stay the desk like it's not unless you stay there for a long time just the entire there for a long time just the entire there for a long time just the entire assembly all that Airbnb is so assembly all that Airbnb is so assembly all that Airbnb is so unreliable it's the the the range and unreliable it's the the the range and unreliable it's the the the range and quality that you get is is is quality that you get is is is quality that you get is is is huge hotels have a lot of problems pros huge hotels have a lot of problems pros huge hotels have a lot of problems pros and cons like hotels have the problem and cons like hotels have the problem and cons like hotels have the problem that the pictures somehow never have that the pictures somehow never have that the pictures somehow never have good representative pictures of what's good representative pictures of what's good representative pictures of what's actually going to be in the room and actually going to be in the room and actually going to be in the room and that's a problem like and you fake that's a problem like and you fake that's a problem like and you fake photos man if I could have the kind of photos man if I could have the kind of photos man if I could have the kind of data you have on NAD list for hotels data you have on NAD list for hotels data you have on NAD list for hotels yeah man I would and I feel like you can yeah man I would and I feel like you can yeah man I would and I feel like you can make a lot of money on that too yeah the make a lot of money on that too yeah the make a lot of money on that too yeah the booking fees affiliate right I thought booking fees affiliate right I thought booking fees affiliate right I thought about this idea because we have the same about this idea because we have the same about this idea because we have the same problem like I go to hotels and there's problem like I go to hotels and there's problem like I go to hotels and there's specific ones that are very good and I specific ones that are very good and I specific ones that are very good and I know now the chains and stuff and but know now the chains and stuff and but know now the chains and stuff and but even even if you go some chains are very

even even if you go some chains are very even even if you go some chains are very bad in a specific City and very good in bad in a specific City and very good in bad in a specific City and very good in other cities and each individual hotel other cities and each individual hotel other cities and each individual hotel has a lot of kinds of rooms yeah like has a lot of kinds of rooms yeah like has a lot of kinds of rooms yeah like you you some are more expensive some are you you some are more expensive some are you you some are more expensive some are cheaper and so on but you can get the cheaper and so on but you can get the cheaper and so on but you can get the details details details of what's in the room like what's the of what's in the room like what's the of what's in the room like what's the actual layout of the room what is the actual layout of the room what is the actual layout of the room what is the view of the rooman I feel like as a view of the rooman I feel like as a view of the rooman I feel like as a hotel you can win a lot so first you hotel you can win a lot so first you hotel you can win a lot so first you create a service that allows you to have create a service that allows you to have create a service that allows you to have like high resolution data about a hotel like high resolution data about a hotel like high resolution data about a hotel then one hotel sign signs up for that I then one hotel sign signs up for that I then one hotel sign signs up for that I would 100% use that website to look for would 100% use that website to look for would 100% use that website to look for a hotel instead of the crappy a hotel instead of the crappy a hotel instead of the crappy Alternatives that don't give any Alternatives that don't give any Alternatives that don't give any information and I feel like there'll be information and I feel like there'll be information and I feel like there'll be this pressure for all the hotels to join this pressure for all the hotels to join this pressure for all the hotels to join that site and you can make a shit ton of that site and you can make a shit ton of that site and you can make a shit ton of money cuz hotels make a lot of money I money cuz hotels make a lot of money I money cuz hotels make a lot of money I think it's true but the problem is with think it's true but the problem is with think it's true but the problem is with these hotels like it's it's same with these hotels like it's it's same with these hotels like it's it's same with airline industry why does every Airline airline industry why does every Airline airline industry why does every Airline website suck when you try book book a website suck when you try book book a website suck when you try book book a flights yeah it's like very strange like flights yeah it's like very strange like flights yeah it's like very strange like why does it have to suck obviously why does it have to suck obviously why does it have to suck obviously there's competition here why doesn't the there's competition here why doesn't the there's competition here why doesn't the best website win what's the explanation best website win what's the explanation best website win what's the explanation of that man I thought about this for of that man I thought about this for of that man I thought about this for years so I think it's like I have to years so I think it's like I have to years so I think it's like I have to book the flight anyway like I know book the flight anyway like I know book the flight anyway like I know there's a route that they take and I there's a route that they take and I there's a route that they take and I need like I need to buy book for example need like I need to buy book for example need like I need to buy book for example Qatar airlines and I and I need to get Qatar airlines and I and I need to get Qatar airlines and I and I need to get through this process through this process through this process so the the the and with a hotel is so the the the and with a hotel is so the the the and with a hotel is similar you need a hotel anyway so so do similar you need a hotel anyway so so do similar you need a hotel anyway so so do you have time to like figure out the you have time to like figure out the you have time to like figure out the best one not really you kind of just best one not really you kind of just best one not really you kind of just need to get the place booked and you need to get the place booked and you need to get the place booked and you know you need to get the flight and know you need to get the flight and know you need to get the flight and you'll go through the pain of this you'll go through the pain of this you'll go through the pain of this process and that's why this process process and that's why this process process and that's why this process always sucks so much with hotels and always sucks so much with hotels and always sucks so much with hotels and Airline websites and stuff because they Airline websites and stuff because they Airline websites and stuff because they don't have an incentive to improve it don't have an incentive to improve it don't have an incentive to improve it because generally only for like a super because generally only for like a super because generally only for like a super upper segment of the market I think like

upper segment of the market I think like upper segment of the market I think like super high luxury it affects the actual super high luxury it affects the actual super high luxury it affects the actual booking right I don't know I think that booking right I don't know I think that booking right I don't know I think that that's a good interesting Theory I think that's a good interesting Theory I think that's a good interesting Theory I think that must be a different Theory my my that must be a different Theory my my that must be a different Theory my my theory would would be that great theory would would be that great theory would would be that great Engineers like great software Engineers Engineers like great software Engineers Engineers like great software Engineers are not allowed to make changes yeah are not allowed to make changes yeah are not allowed to make changes yeah basically like there's some kind of basically like there's some kind of basically like there's some kind of bureaucracy there's way too many bureaucracy there's way too many bureaucracy there's way too many managers there's a lot of managers there's a lot of managers there's a lot of bureaucracy and uh great Engineers show bureaucracy and uh great Engineers show bureaucracy and uh great Engineers show up they try to work there and they up they try to work there and they up they try to work there and they they're not allowed to really make any they're not allowed to really make any they're not allowed to really make any contributions and then they leave and so contributions and then they leave and so contributions and then they leave and so you have a lot of mediocre software you have a lot of mediocre software you have a lot of mediocre software Engineers they're not really interested Engineers they're not really interested Engineers they're not really interested in improving any of the thing and like in improving any of the thing and like in improving any of the thing and like literally they would like to improve the literally they would like to improve the literally they would like to improve the stuff but the stuff but the stuff but the bureaucracy um of the place plus all the bureaucracy um of the place plus all the bureaucracy um of the place plus all the bosses is all the high up people are not bosses is all the high up people are not bosses is all the high up people are not technical people probably they don't technical people probably they don't technical people probably they don't know much about web web dev they don't know much about web web dev they don't know much about web web dev they don't know much about programming so they just know much about programming so they just know much about programming so they just don't give any respect like you have to don't give any respect like you have to don't give any respect like you have to give the freedom and the respect to give the freedom and the respect to give the freedom and the respect to Great Engineers as they try to do great Great Engineers as they try to do great Great Engineers as they try to do great things that feels like an explanation things that feels like an explanation things that feels like an explanation like if you were a great programmer like if you were a great programmer like if you were a great programmer would you want to work at America would you want to work at America would you want to work at America Airlines or no no I'm I'm torn on that Airlines or no no I'm I'm torn on that Airlines or no no I'm I'm torn on that cuz I I actually as somebody lost cuz I I actually as somebody lost cuz I I actually as somebody lost program would love to work at America program would love to work at America program would love to work at America Airlines so I can make the thing better Airlines so I can make the thing better Airlines so I can make the thing better yeah but for I would I would work there yeah but for I would I would work there yeah but for I would I would work there just to fix it for myself you know yeah just to fix it for myself you know yeah just to fix it for myself you know yeah for yourself and then you just know how for yourself and then you just know how for yourself and then you just know how much suffering you alleviated how much suffering you alleviated how much suffering you alleviated how much just oh you imagine all the much just oh you imagine all the much just oh you imagine all the thousands maybe millions of people that thousands maybe millions of people that thousands maybe millions of people that go to that website and have to click

go to that website and have to click go to that website and have to click like a million times it often doesn't like a million times it often doesn't like a million times it often doesn't work it's clunky all that kind of stuff work it's clunky all that kind of stuff work it's clunky all that kind of stuff you you're making their life just so you you're making their life just so you you're making their life just so much better yeah but there there must be much better yeah but there there must be much better yeah but there there must be an explanation has to do with managers an explanation has to do with managers an explanation has to do with managers and bureaucracies like I don't I think and bureaucracies like I don't I think and bureaucracies like I don't I think it's money do you know it's money do you know it's money do you know booking.com sure so it's the boooking booking.com sure so it's the boooking booking.com sure so it's the boooking it's the biggest boooking website in the it's the biggest boooking website in the it's the biggest boooking website in the world it's dutch actually and um they world it's dutch actually and um they world it's dutch actually and um they have teams CU my friend worked there have teams CU my friend worked there have teams CU my friend worked there they have teams for a specific part of they have teams for a specific part of they have teams for a specific part of the website like a 10 by 10 pixels area the website like a 10 by 10 pixels area the website like a 10 by 10 pixels area where they they run tests on this so where they they run tests on this so where they they run tests on this so they run tests like and they're famous they run tests like and they're famous they run tests like and they're famous for this stuff like oh there's only one for this stuff like oh there's only one for this stuff like oh there's only one room left right with this red letter room left right with this red letter room left right with this red letter it's like one room left book now you it's like one room left book now you it's like one room left book now you know and they got a fine from the know and they got a fine from the know and they got a fine from the European Union about this kind of European Union about this kind of European Union about this kind of interesting so they have all these teams interesting so they have all these teams interesting so they have all these teams and they run the test for 24 hours they and they run the test for 24 hours they and they run the test for 24 hours they go to sleep they wake up next day they go to sleep they wake up next day they go to sleep they wake up next day they come to the office and they see okay come to the office and they see okay come to the office and they see okay this performed better this website has this performed better this website has this performed better this website has become a monster but it's the most become a monster but it's the most become a monster but it's the most Revenue generating hotel booking website Revenue generating hotel booking website Revenue generating hotel booking website in the world is number one so that shows in the world is number one so that shows in the world is number one so that shows that it's not about like user experience that it's not about like user experience that it's not about like user experience it's about like I don't know about it's about like I don't know about it's about like I don't know about making more money and you know not every making more money and you know not every making more money and you know not every company but you know if they if if company but you know if they if if company but you know if they if if they're optimizing it's a public company they're optimizing it's a public company they're optimizing it's a public company if they're optimizing for money but you if they're optimizing for money but you if they're optimizing for money but you can optimize for money by disrupting can optimize for money by disrupting can optimize for money by disrupting like making it way better yeah but it's like making it way better yeah but it's like making it way better yeah but it's always startups they start with always startups they start with always startups they start with disrupting like booking also started disrupting like booking also started disrupting like booking also started startup 1997 and then they become like startup 1997 and then they become like startup 1997 and then they become like the old shit again like you know Uber the old shit again like you know Uber the old shit again like you know Uber now starts to become like a taxi again now starts to become like a taxi again now starts to become like a taxi again right it was very good in the beginning right it was very good in the beginning right it was very good in the beginning now it's kind of like taxis now in many now it's kind of like taxis now in many now it's kind of like taxis now in many places are better they're nicer than places are better they're nicer than places are better they're nicer than Ubers right so it's like the circle I Ubers right so it's like the circle I Ubers right so it's like the circle I think some of it is also just it's hard think some of it is also just it's hard think some of it is also just it's hard to have Ultra competent Engineers yeah

to have Ultra competent Engineers yeah to have Ultra competent Engineers yeah like stripe seems like a trivial thing like stripe seems like a trivial thing like stripe seems like a trivial thing but it it's hard to pull off like why but it it's hard to pull off like why but it it's hard to pull off like why was it so hard for Amazon to have buy was it so hard for Amazon to have buy was it so hard for Amazon to have buy with one click which I think is a genius with one click which I think is a genius with one click which I think is a genius idea make buying easier idea make buying easier idea make buying easier like make it as as frictional as as like make it as as frictional as as like make it as as frictional as as possible just click a button once and possible just click a button once and possible just click a button once and you bought the thing yeah as opposed to you bought the thing yeah as opposed to you bought the thing yeah as opposed to most of the web was a lot of clicking most of the web was a lot of clicking most of the web was a lot of clicking and it often doesn't work like with the and it often doesn't work like with the and it often doesn't work like with the airlines remember the forms would delete airlines remember the forms would delete airlines remember the forms would delete you could CLI next submit and would 404 you could CLI next submit and would 404 you could CLI next submit and would 404 or something or your internet would go or something or your internet would go or something or your internet would go down your modem yeah man and I would down your modem yeah man and I would down your modem yeah man and I would have an existential crisis like the have an existential crisis like the have an existential crisis like the frustration would take over my whole frustration would take over my whole frustration would take over my whole body and I just wanted to quit life for body and I just wanted to quit life for body and I just wanted to quit life for a brief moment there yeah yeah I'm so a brief moment there yeah yeah I'm so a brief moment there yeah yeah I'm so happy to form stays in Google Chrome now happy to form stays in Google Chrome now happy to form stays in Google Chrome now when something goes wrong but that's so when something goes wrong but that's so when something goes wrong but that's so Google somebody did Google improv Google somebody did Google improv Google somebody did Google improv Society with that right yeah and one of Society with that right yeah and one of Society with that right yeah and one of the challenges of Google is to have the the challenges of Google is to have the the challenges of Google is to have the freedom to do that they don't anymore freedom to do that they don't anymore freedom to do that they don't anymore there's a bunch of bureaucracy yeah go there's a bunch of bureaucracy yeah go there's a bunch of bureaucracy yeah go there's so many brilliant brilliant there's so many brilliant brilliant there's so many brilliant brilliant people there but it just moves slowly people there but it just moves slowly people there but it just moves slowly yeah I wonder why that is maybe that's yeah I wonder why that is maybe that's yeah I wonder why that is maybe that's the natural way of a company but you the natural way of a company but you the natural way of a company but you have people like Elon who rolls in and have people like Elon who rolls in and have people like Elon who rolls in and just fir most most of the folks and just fir most most of the folks and just fir most most of the folks and always oper like push the company to always oper like push the company to always oper like push the company to operate as a startup even when it's operate as a startup even when it's operate as a startup even when it's already big yeah but I mean Apple does already big yeah but I mean Apple does already big yeah but I mean Apple does this I like I started in business school this I like I started in business school this I like I started in business school Apple does competing product teams that Apple does competing product teams that Apple does competing product teams that operate as startups so three to five operate as startups so three to five operate as startups so three to five people they make something they have people they make something they have people they make something they have multiple teams who make the same thing multiple teams who make the same thing multiple teams who make the same thing the best team wins so you need to I the best team wins so you need to I the best team wins so you need to I think you need to emulate like a a free think you need to emulate like a a free think you need to emulate like a a free market inside a company to make it

market inside a company to make it market inside a company to make it entrepreneurial you know yeah and you entrepreneurial you know yeah and you entrepreneurial you know yeah and you need entrepreneurial mentality in a need entrepreneurial mentality in a need entrepreneurial mentality in a company to to come up with new ideas and company to to come up with new ideas and company to to come up with new ideas and do it better so one of the things you do do it better so one of the things you do do it better so one of the things you do really really well is learn a new thing really really well is learn a new thing really really well is learn a new thing like you're trying to you have an idea like you're trying to you have an idea like you're trying to you have an idea you try to build it and then you learn you try to build it and then you learn you try to build it and then you learn everything you need to in order to build everything you need to in order to build everything you need to in order to build it you have your current skills but you it you have your current skills but you it you have your current skills but you need learn just the minimal amount of need learn just the minimal amount of need learn just the minimal amount of stuff so you're a good person to ask stuff so you're a good person to ask stuff so you're a good person to ask like what how do you like what how do you like what how do you learn how do how do you learn quickly learn how do how do you learn quickly learn how do how do you learn quickly and effectively in just the stuff you and effectively in just the stuff you and effectively in just the stuff you need you did um just by way of example need you did um just by way of example need you did um just by way of example you did a 30 days learning session on 3D you did a 30 days learning session on 3D you did a 30 days learning session on 3D yeah where you documented yourself yeah where you documented yourself yeah where you documented yourself giving yourself only 30 days to learn giving yourself only 30 days to learn giving yourself only 30 days to learn everything you can about yeah I tried to everything you can about yeah I tried to everything you can about yeah I tried to learn virtual reality CU I was like this learn virtual reality CU I was like this learn virtual reality CU I was like this was like same as AI it came up Suddenly was like same as AI it came up Suddenly was like same as AI it came up Suddenly like 2016 2017 with I think HTC VI this like 2016 2017 with I think HTC VI this like 2016 2017 with I think HTC VI this big VR glasses before Apple Vision Pro big VR glasses before Apple Vision Pro big VR glasses before Apple Vision Pro and I was like oh this is going to be and I was like oh this is going to be and I was like oh this is going to be big so I need to learn this so I I know big so I need to learn this so I I know big so I need to learn this so I I know I know nothing about 3D I installed like I know nothing about 3D I installed like I know nothing about 3D I installed like um I think unity and like blender and um I think unity and like blender and um I think unity and like blender and stuff and I started learning all this stuff and I started learning all this stuff and I started learning all this stuff stuff stuff um because I thought this was like a new um because I thought this was like a new um because I thought this was like a new you know n technology that was going to you know n technology that was going to you know n technology that was going to be big and if I had to skill for it uh I be big and if I had to skill for it uh I be big and if I had to skill for it uh I could use this to build stuff and so I could use this to build stuff and so I could use this to build stuff and so I think with learning for me it's like it think with learning for me it's like it think with learning for me it's like it I think learning is so funny because I think learning is so funny because I think learning is so funny because people always ask me like how how do I people always ask me like how how do I people always ask me like how how do I how do you learn to code like should I how do you learn to code like should I how do you learn to code like should I learn to code and I'm like I don't know learn to code and I'm like I don't know learn to code and I'm like I don't know like I'm Every Day I'm learning it's like I'm Every Day I'm learning it's like I'm Every Day I'm learning it's kind of cliche but every day I'm kind of cliche but every day I'm kind of cliche but every day I'm learning new stuff so every day I'm learning new stuff so every day I'm learning new stuff so every day I'm searching on Google or asking out cat searching on Google or asking out cat searching on Google or asking out cat gbt how to do this thing how to do this gbt how to do this thing how to do this gbt how to do this thing how to do this thing every day I'm getting better at my thing every day I'm getting better at my thing every day I'm getting better at my skill so you never stop learning so the

skill so you never stop learning so the skill so you never stop learning so the whole concept of like how do you learn whole concept of like how do you learn whole concept of like how do you learn well you never end so where do you want well you never end so where do you want well you never end so where do you want to be do you want to know a little bit to be do you want to know a little bit to be do you want to know a little bit do do you want to know a lot do you want do do you want to know a lot do you want do do you want to know a lot do you want to do it for your whole life or so I to do it for your whole life or so I to do it for your whole life or so I think taking action is the best step to think taking action is the best step to think taking action is the best step to learn so making things like you know learn so making things like you know learn so making things like you know nothing just start making things okay so nothing just start making things okay so nothing just start making things okay so like how to make a website search how to like how to make a website search how to like how to make a website search how to make a website or nowadays you ask jbt make a website or nowadays you ask jbt make a website or nowadays you ask jbt how do I make a website where do I start how do I make a website where do I start how do I make a website where do I start it generates codes for you right copy it generates codes for you right copy it generates codes for you right copy the code put it in a file save it open the code put it in a file save it open the code put it in a file save it open it in Google Chrome or whatever you have it in Google Chrome or whatever you have it in Google Chrome or whatever you have a website and then you start tweaking a website and then you start tweaking a website and then you start tweaking with it and you start okay how do I add with it and you start okay how do I add with it and you start okay how do I add a button how do I add AI features right a button how do I add AI features right a button how do I add AI features right like nowadays so it's like by taking like nowadays so it's like by taking like nowadays so it's like by taking action you can learn stuffff much faster action you can learn stuffff much faster action you can learn stuffff much faster than reading books or actually I'm than reading books or actually I'm than reading books or actually I'm curious let me ask perplexity how do I curious let me ask perplexity how do I curious let me ask perplexity how do I make a make a make a website I'm just curious what it would website I'm just curious what it would website I'm just curious what it would say I hope it goes with like really say I hope it goes with like really say I hope it goes with like really basic vanilla Solutions Define your basic vanilla Solutions Define your basic vanilla Solutions Define your website's purpose choose a domain name website's purpose choose a domain name website's purpose choose a domain name select a web hosting provider choose a select a web hosting provider choose a select a web hosting provider choose a website or Builder or CMS website build website or Builder or CMS website build website or Builder or CMS website build platform like wi for Squarespace is what platform like wi for Squarespace is what platform like wi for Squarespace is what I said yeah landing page I said yeah landing page I said yeah landing page what what do I how do I say if I want to what what do I how do I say if I want to what what do I how do I say if I want to programming it program it myself design programming it program it myself design programming it program it myself design your website create essential Pages yeah your website create essential Pages yeah your website create essential Pages yeah even tells you to launch it right like even tells you to launch it right like even tells you to launch it right like start your website cool well I mean you start your website cool well I mean you start your website cool well I mean you could do that yeah but this is literally could do that yeah but this is literally could do that yeah but this is literally it like it's this is if you want to make it like it's this is if you want to make it like it's this is if you want to make a this is the basic like Google a this is the basic like Google a this is the basic like Google analytics but you can't make Nomad list analytics but you can't make Nomad list analytics but you can't make Nomad list with this way so with Wix like with ah with this way so with Wix like with ah with this way so with Wix like with ah no you can you can get pretty far I no you can you can get pretty far I no you can you can get pretty far I think these website Builders are pretty think these website Builders are pretty think these website Builders are pretty Advanced like all you need is a grid of

Advanced like all you need is a grid of Advanced like all you need is a grid of images right that are clickable that images right that are clickable that images right that are clickable that open like another page yeah you can can open like another page yeah you can can open like another page yeah you can can get quite far how do I learn to program choose a programming language to program choose a programming language to start with yeah free code Camp is start with yeah free code Camp is start with yeah free code Camp is good work through a resources good work through a resources good work through a resources systematically practice coing regularly systematically practice coing regularly systematically practice coing regularly for 30 60 minutes a day consistency key for 30 60 minutes a day consistency key for 30 60 minutes a day consistency key join programming communities like join programming communities like join programming communities like reddits reddits reddits yeah yeah it's pretty it's pretty good yeah yeah it's pretty it's pretty good yeah yeah it's pretty it's pretty good yeah it's pretty good so I think it's yeah it's pretty good so I think it's yeah it's pretty good so I think it's it's a very good starting ground because it's a very good starting ground because it's a very good starting ground because imagine you know nothing and you want to imagine you know nothing and you want to imagine you know nothing and you want to make a website you want to make a make a website you want to make a make a website you want to make a startup this is like that's why the man startup this is like that's why the man startup this is like that's why the man the power of AI for education is going the power of AI for education is going the power of AI for education is going to be insane like people anywhere can to be insane like people anywhere can to be insane like people anywhere can can ask this question and start building can ask this question and start building can ask this question and start building stuff yeah clarifies it for sure and stuff yeah clarifies it for sure and stuff yeah clarifies it for sure and just start building like keep build just start building like keep build just start building like keep build build like actually apply the thing build like actually apply the thing build like actually apply the thing whether it's AI or uh any of the whether it's AI or uh any of the whether it's AI or uh any of the programming for web development yeah programming for web development yeah programming for web development yeah just have a project in mind which I love just have a project in mind which I love just have a project in mind which I love the idea of like the idea of like the idea of like 12 startups in 12 months or 12 startups in 12 months or 12 startups in 12 months or like build a project almost every day like build a project almost every day like build a project almost every day just build a thing yeah and get it to just build a thing yeah and get it to just build a thing yeah and get it to work and finish it every single day work and finish it every single day work and finish it every single day that's a cool experiment I think that that's a cool experiment I think that that's a cool experiment I think that was the inspiration there was a girl who was the inspiration there was a girl who was the inspiration there was a girl who did did did 160 websites in 160 days or something 160 websites in 160 days or something 160 websites in 160 days or something like lit mini websites yeah and uh and like lit mini websites yeah and uh and like lit mini websites yeah and uh and she learned to go that way so I think she learned to go that way so I think she learned to go that way so I think it's good to set yourself challenges you it's good to set yourself challenges you it's good to set yourself challenges you know like don't you can go to some

know like don't you can go to some know like don't you can go to some coding boot camp but I don't think they coding boot camp but I don't think they coding boot camp but I don't think they actually work I think it's better to do actually work I think it's better to do actually work I think it's better to do like for me outto deduct like like for me outto deduct like like for me outto deduct like selflearning and setting yourself like selflearning and setting yourself like selflearning and setting yourself like challenges and just getting in but you challenges and just getting in but you challenges and just getting in but you need discipline you know you need to need discipline you know you need to need discipline you know you need to discipline to keep to keep doing it and discipline to keep to keep doing it and discipline to keep to keep doing it and coding you know coding is very it's a coding you know coding is very it's a coding you know coding is very it's a steep learning curve to get in it's very steep learning curve to get in it's very steep learning curve to get in it's very annoying working with computers is very annoying working with computers is very annoying working with computers is very annoying uh so it can be hard for people annoying uh so it can be hard for people annoying uh so it can be hard for people to keep doing it you know yeah that to keep doing it you know yeah that to keep doing it you know yeah that thing of just keep doing it and don't thing of just keep doing it and don't thing of just keep doing it and don't quit that urgency that's required to quit that urgency that's required to quit that urgency that's required to finish a thing that's why it's really finish a thing that's why it's really finish a thing that's why it's really powerful when you documented this the powerful when you documented this the powerful when you documented this the creation of hood Maps or the like a creation of hood Maps or the like a creation of hood Maps or the like a working prototype that there's a just a working prototype that there's a just a working prototype that there's a just a constant frustration I guess it's like constant frustration I guess it's like constant frustration I guess it's like how do I do this and then you look it up how do I do this and then you look it up how do I do this and then you look it up and you're like okay you have to and you're like okay you have to and you're like okay you have to interpret the different options you have interpret the different options you have interpret the different options you have you're like and then just try it and you're like and then just try it and you're like and then just try it and then and then there's a dopamine Rush of then and then there's a dopamine Rush of then and then there's a dopamine Rush of like o it works cool man it's amazing like o it works cool man it's amazing like o it works cool man it's amazing and it's I I live streamed it it's on and it's I I live streamed it it's on and it's I I live streamed it it's on YouTube and stuff people can watch it YouTube and stuff people can watch it YouTube and stuff people can watch it and it's amazing when things work it's and it's amazing when things work it's and it's amazing when things work it's look it's just like amazing that you I look it's just like amazing that you I look it's just like amazing that you I look very not I don't look far ahead so look very not I don't look far ahead so look very not I don't look far ahead so I only look okay what's the next problem I only look okay what's the next problem I only look okay what's the next problem to solve and then the next problem and to solve and then the next problem and to solve and then the next problem and at the end you have a whole app or at the end you have a whole app or at the end you have a whole app or website or thing you know but I think website or thing you know but I think website or thing you know but I think most people look way too far ahead you most people look way too far ahead you most people look way too far ahead you know they look it's like this poster know they look it's like this poster know they look it's like this poster again like you shouldn't you don't know again like you shouldn't you don't know again like you shouldn't you don't know how hard it's going to be so you should how hard it's going to be so you should how hard it's going to be so you should only look like for the next thing the only look like for the next thing the only look like for the next thing the next little challenge the next step and next little challenge the next step and next little challenge the next step and then see where you end up and assume then see where you end up and assume then see where you end up and assume it's going to be

it's going to be it's going to be easy yeah exactly yeah be naive about it easy yeah exactly yeah be naive about it easy yeah exactly yeah be naive about it because it's it's you're going to have because it's it's you're going to have because it's it's you're going to have very difficult very difficult very difficult problems a lot of the big problems won't problems a lot of the big problems won't problems a lot of the big problems won't be even Tech we'll be like public right be even Tech we'll be like public right be even Tech we'll be like public right like maybe people don't like your like maybe people don't like your like maybe people don't like your website like um you will get canceled website like um you will get canceled website like um you will get canceled for a website for example like a lot of for a website for example like a lot of for a website for example like a lot of things can happen what's it like things can happen what's it like things can happen what's it like building in public like you do like building in public like you do like building in public like you do like openly where you're just iterating openly where you're just iterating openly where you're just iterating quickly and you're getting people's quickly and you're getting people's quickly and you're getting people's feedback so there there's the power of feedback so there there's the power of feedback so there there's the power of the crowdsourcing but there's also the the crowdsourcing but there's also the the crowdsourcing but there's also the the negative aspects of people being the negative aspects of people being the negative aspects of people being able to able to able to criticize so man I think haters are criticize so man I think haters are criticize so man I think haters are actually cuz I think a lot of haters actually cuz I think a lot of haters actually cuz I think a lot of haters have good points and it takes like have good points and it takes like have good points and it takes like stepping away from the emotion of like stepping away from the emotion of like stepping away from the emotion of like uh ah your website sucks because blah uh ah your website sucks because blah uh ah your website sucks because blah blah blah and you're like okay just blah blah and you're like okay just blah blah and you're like okay just remove this your website sucks because remove this your website sucks because remove this your website sucks because it's personal you know what did he say it's personal you know what did he say it's personal you know what did he say why did he didn't not like it and you why did he didn't not like it and you why did he didn't not like it and you figure out okay he didn't like it figure out okay he didn't like it figure out okay he didn't like it because the sign up was difficult or because the sign up was difficult or because the sign up was difficult or something or it wasn't the data they say something or it wasn't the data they say something or it wasn't the data they say no this data is not accurate or no this data is not accurate or no this data is not accurate or something right okay I need to improve something right okay I need to improve something right okay I need to improve the quality of data this hater has a the quality of data this hater has a the quality of data this hater has a point think it's dumb to completely point think it's dumb to completely point think it's dumb to completely ignore your haters you know and also you ignore your haters you know and also you ignore your haters you know and also you man I think I've been there when I was man I think I've been there when I was man I think I've been there when I was like 10 years old or some you're on the like 10 years old or some you're on the like 10 years old or some you're on the internet you just shouting crazy stuff internet you just shouting crazy stuff internet you just shouting crazy stuff that's like most of Twitter you know or that's like most of Twitter you know or that's like most of Twitter you know or half Twitter so you you have to take it half Twitter so you you have to take it half Twitter so you you have to take it with grain of salt um yeah you man you with grain of salt um yeah you man you with grain of salt um yeah you man you need to grow a very thick skin like on need to grow a very thick skin like on need to grow a very thick skin like on Twitter on X like people say but I mute Twitter on X like people say but I mute Twitter on X like people say but I mute a lot of people like I found out I muted a lot of people like I found out I muted a lot of people like I found out I muted already 15,000 people recently I checked already 15,000 people recently I checked already 15,000 people recently I checked so in in 10 years I muted 15,000 people so in in 10 years I muted 15,000 people so in in 10 years I muted 15,000 people so that's like like that's one by one so that's like like that's one by one so that's like like that's one by one manual 15 yeah oh wow so, 1500 people manual 15 yeah oh wow so, 1500 people manual 15 yeah oh wow so, 1500 people per year and I don't like like to block

per year and I don't like like to block per year and I don't like like to block cuz then they get angry they make a cuz then they get angry they make a cuz then they get angry they make a screenshot and they say ah you block me screenshot and they say ah you block me screenshot and they say ah you block me so I just mute and it disappear and it's so I just mute and it disappear and it's so I just mute and it disappear and it's amazing so you mentioned Reddit So Hood amazing so you mentioned Reddit So Hood amazing so you mentioned Reddit So Hood maps that make it to the front page of maps that make it to the front page of maps that make it to the front page of Reddit yeah yeah it did yeah yeah yeah Reddit yeah yeah it did yeah yeah yeah Reddit yeah yeah it did yeah yeah yeah it did it was amazing and my server it did it was amazing and my server it did it was amazing and my server almost went down and I was checking like almost went down and I was checking like almost went down and I was checking like Google analytics was like 5,000 people Google analytics was like 5,000 people Google analytics was like 5,000 people on the website or something or crazy and on the website or something or crazy and on the website or something or crazy and it was a night and was amazing um I man it was a night and was amazing um I man it was a night and was amazing um I man I think nowadays honestly Tik Tok uh I think nowadays honestly Tik Tok uh I think nowadays honestly Tik Tok uh YouTube Reals Instagram reals a lot of YouTube Reals Instagram reals a lot of YouTube Reals Instagram reals a lot of apps get very big from people T making apps get very big from people T making apps get very big from people T making Tik Tok videos about it so let's say you Tik Tok videos about it so let's say you Tik Tok videos about it so let's say you make your own app you can make a video make your own app you can make a video make your own app you can make a video for yourself like oh I made this app uh for yourself like oh I made this app uh for yourself like oh I made this app uh this is how it works blah blah blah um this is how it works blah blah blah um this is how it works blah blah blah um and this is why I made it for example and this is why I made it for example and this is why I made it for example and this is why you should use it and if and this is why you should use it and if and this is why you should use it and if it's a good video will take off and you it's a good video will take off and you it's a good video will take off and you will get man you I got like will get man you I got like will get man you I got like $20,000 extra per month or something $20,000 extra per month or something $20,000 extra per month or something from a Tik Tok from one Tik Tok video from a Tik Tok from one Tik Tok video from a Tik Tok from one Tik Tok video like it made a photoi by you or somebody like it made a photoi by you or somebody like it made a photoi by you or somebody else by some random guy so there's all else by some random guy so there's all else by some random guy so there's all these AI influencers that they write these AI influencers that they write these AI influencers that they write about they show AI apps and they then about they show AI apps and they then about they show AI apps and they then they ask money later like when a V video they ask money later like when a V video they ask money later like when a V video goes vir all I can do it do it again and goes vir all I can do it do it again and goes vir all I can do it do it again and send me $4,000 something I'm like okay I send me $4,000 something I'm like okay I send me $4,000 something I'm like okay I did that for example but it works like did that for example but it works like did that for example but it works like Tik Tok is a very big platform for user Tik Tok is a very big platform for user Tik Tok is a very big platform for user uh um acquisition yeah and organic like uh um acquisition yeah and organic like uh um acquisition yeah and organic like the best user acquisition I think is the best user acquisition I think is the best user acquisition I think is organic you don't need to buy ads you organic you don't need to buy ads you organic you don't need to buy ads you probably don't have money when you start probably don't have money when you start probably don't have money when you start to buy ads so use organic or write a to buy ads so use organic or write a to buy ads so use organic or write a banger tweet right that's can make an banger tweet right that's can make an banger tweet right that's can make an app take off as well well I mean yeah app take off as well well I mean yeah app take off as well well I mean yeah fundamentally create cool stuff and have

fundamentally create cool stuff and have fundamentally create cool stuff and have just a little bit of a following enough just a little bit of a following enough just a little bit of a following enough to like for for the cool thing to be to like for for the cool thing to be to like for for the cool thing to be noticed and then it becomes viral if noticed and then it becomes viral if noticed and then it becomes viral if it's cool enough yeah and you don't need it's cool enough yeah and you don't need it's cool enough yeah and you don't need a lot of followers anymore because that a lot of followers anymore because that a lot of followers anymore because that on on X and a lot of platforms because on on X and a lot of platforms because on on X and a lot of platforms because Tik Tok X I think Instagram reals also Tik Tok X I think Instagram reals also Tik Tok X I think Instagram reals also they have the same algorithm now it's they have the same algorithm now it's they have the same algorithm now it's not about followers anymore it's about not about followers anymore it's about not about followers anymore it's about they test your content on a small subset they test your content on a small subset they test your content on a small subset like 300 people if they like it it will like 300 people if they like it it will like 300 people if they like it it will gets tested to thousand people and on gets tested to thousand people and on gets tested to thousand people and on and on so if the thing is good it will and on so if the thing is good it will and on so if the thing is good it will rise anyway it doesn't matter if you rise anyway it doesn't matter if you rise anyway it doesn't matter if you have million followers or a th000 have million followers or a th000 have million followers or a th000 followers or 100 what's your philosophy followers or 100 what's your philosophy followers or 100 what's your philosophy of monetizing how to make money from the of monetizing how to make money from the of monetizing how to make money from the thing you build yeah so a lot of stter thing you build yeah so a lot of stter thing you build yeah so a lot of stter they do like free users so you could they do like free users so you could they do like free users so you could sign up and can use the app for free sign up and can use the app for free sign up and can use the app for free which is um it never worked for me well which is um it never worked for me well which is um it never worked for me well because I I think free users generally because I I think free users generally because I I think free users generally don't convert and I think if you have VC don't convert and I think if you have VC don't convert and I think if you have VC funding it makes sense to get free users funding it makes sense to get free users funding it makes sense to get free users because you can spend your funding on because you can spend your funding on because you can spend your funding on ads and you can get like millions of ads and you can get like millions of ads and you can get like millions of people com in predictably how much they people com in predictably how much they people com in predictably how much they convert and give them like a free trial convert and give them like a free trial convert and give them like a free trial whatever and then they sign up but you whatever and then they sign up but you whatever and then they sign up but you need to have that flow worked out so need to have that flow worked out so need to have that flow worked out so well for you to to make it work that you well for you to to make it work that you well for you to to make it work that you need like it's very difficult I think need like it's very difficult I think need like it's very difficult I think it's best to start and just um start it's best to start and just um start it's best to start and just um start asking people for money in the beginning asking people for money in the beginning asking people for money in the beginning so show your app like what are you doing so show your app like what are you doing so show your app like what are you doing on your landing page like make a demo on your landing page like make a demo on your landing page like make a demo Whatever video and then if you want to Whatever video and then if you want to Whatever video and then if you want to use it pay me money pay $10 $20 $30 I use it pay me money pay $10 $20 $30 I use it pay me money pay $10 $20 $30 I would ask more than $10 per month like would ask more than $10 per month like would ask more than $10 per month like Netflix is like $10 per month but Netflix is like $10 per month but Netflix is like $10 per month but Netflix is a giant company that can you Netflix is a giant company that can you Netflix is a giant company that can you know they can afford to make it so cheap know they can afford to make it so cheap know they can afford to make it so cheap relatively cheap if you're individual relatively cheap if you're individual relatively cheap if you're individual like an indie hacker like you are making like an indie hacker like you are making like an indie hacker like you are making your own app you need to make like at

your own app you need to make like at your own app you need to make like at least least least $30 or more on a user to make it uh $30 or more on a user to make it uh $30 or more on a user to make it uh worthy for you you need to make money worthy for you you need to make money worthy for you you need to make money you know and it builds a community of you know and it builds a community of you know and it builds a community of people that actually really care about people that actually really care about people that actually really care about the product also yeah making a community the product also yeah making a community the product also yeah making a community like making a Discord is very normal now like making a Discord is very normal now like making a Discord is very normal now every AI has a Discord and you have the every AI has a Discord and you have the every AI has a Discord and you have the developers and the users together in developers and the users together in developers and the users together in like a Discord they talk about they ask like a Discord they talk about they ask like a Discord they talk about they ask for features they build together it's for features they build together it's for features they build together it's very normal now and um and you need to very normal now and um and you need to very normal now and um and you need to imagine like if you're if you're imagine like if you're if you're imagine like if you're if you're starting out getting a thousand users is starting out getting a thousand users is starting out getting a thousand users is quite difficult getting thousand pages quite difficult getting thousand pages quite difficult getting thousand pages is quite difficult and if you charge is quite difficult and if you charge is quite difficult and if you charge them like $30 you have 30k a month them like $30 you have 30k a month them like $30 you have 30k a month that's a lot of money that's enough to that's a lot of money that's enough to that's a lot of money that's enough to like live a good life yeah live a pretty like live a good life yeah live a pretty like live a good life yeah live a pretty good life I mean there could be a lot of good life I mean there could be a lot of good life I mean there could be a lot of cost associated with hosting so that's cost associated with hosting so that's cost associated with hosting so that's another thing I make sure my profit another thing I make sure my profit another thing I make sure my profit margets are very high so I try to keep margets are very high so I try to keep margets are very high so I try to keep the cost very low I don't hire people um the cost very low I don't hire people um the cost very low I don't hire people um I I try to negotiate with like AI I I try to negotiate with like AI I I try to negotiate with like AI vendors now like can you make it cheaper vendors now like can you make it cheaper vendors now like can you make it cheaper you know which is I discovered this you you know which is I discovered this you you know which is I discovered this you can just email companies and say can you can just email companies and say can you can just email companies and say can you can give me discount cuz too expensive can give me discount cuz too expensive can give me discount cuz too expensive and they say sure 50% I'm like wow very and they say sure 50% I'm like wow very and they say sure 50% I'm like wow very good and and I didn't know this you can good and and I didn't know this you can good and and I didn't know this you can just ask and especially in like like now just ask and especially in like like now just ask and especially in like like now it's kind of recession you can ask it's kind of recession you can ask it's kind of recession you can ask companies like I I need a discount or I companies like I I need a discount or I companies like I I need a discount or I kind of need to like you don't need to kind of need to like you don't need to kind of need to like you don't need to be asshole about it say you know I kind be asshole about it say you know I kind be asshole about it say you know I kind of need a discount or I need to go maybe of need a discount or I need to go maybe of need a discount or I need to go maybe to another company so maybe like a to another company so maybe like a to another company so maybe like a discount like here and there and it says discount like here and there and it says discount like here and there and it says sure a lot of them will say yes like 25% sure a lot of them will say yes like 25% sure a lot of them will say yes like 25% discount 50% discounts because you think discount 50% discounts because you think discount 50% discounts because you think the price on the website is the price of the price on the website is the price of the price on the website is the price of the API or something it's not like you the API or something it's not like you the API or something it's not like you know and also you're a public facing

know and also you're a public facing know and also you're a public facing person oh that helps also and there's person oh that helps also and there's person oh that helps also and there's love and Good Vibes that you put out love and Good Vibes that you put out love and Good Vibes that you put out into the world like you're actually into the world like you're actually into the world like you're actually legitimately trying to build cool stuff legitimately trying to build cool stuff legitimately trying to build cool stuff so a lot of companies probably want to so a lot of companies probably want to so a lot of companies probably want to associate with you because you're trying associate with you because you're trying associate with you because you're trying to do yeah it's like secret heck but I to do yeah it's like secret heck but I to do yeah it's like secret heck but I think even without good person it think even without good person it think even without good person it depends how much discount they will give depends how much discount they will give depends how much discount they will give you know they'll maybe give more but you you know they'll maybe give more but you you know they'll maybe give more but you know that's why you should shit post on know that's why you should shit post on know that's why you should shit post on Twitter so you get you know discounts Twitter so you get you know discounts Twitter so you get you know discounts maybe yeah yeah um but and also the when maybe yeah yeah um but and also the when maybe yeah yeah um but and also the when it's it's it's crowdsourced I mean paying does prevent crowdsourced I mean paying does prevent crowdsourced I mean paying does prevent spam or help prevent spam also yeah yeah spam or help prevent spam also yeah yeah spam or help prevent spam also yeah yeah it gives you high quality users and free it gives you high quality users and free it gives you high quality users and free users are s but they're horrible like users are s but they're horrible like users are s but they're horrible like it's just like millions of people it's just like millions of people it's just like millions of people especially if AI startups you get a lot especially if AI startups you get a lot especially if AI startups you get a lot of abuse so you get millions of people of abuse so you get millions of people of abuse so you get millions of people from anywhere just abusing your app just from anywhere just abusing your app just from anywhere just abusing your app just just hacking it and whatever like just hacking it and whatever like just hacking it and whatever like there's something on the Internet you there's something on the Internet you there's something on the Internet you mentioned like forand discovered Hood mentioned like forand discovered Hood mentioned like forand discovered Hood Maps yeah but I love fortune they I Maps yeah but I love fortune they I Maps yeah but I love fortune they I don't love fortune but you know I mean don't love fortune but you know I mean don't love fortune but you know I mean like they're so crazy especially back like they're so crazy especially back like they're so crazy especially back then like that's it's kind of funny what then like that's it's kind of funny what then like that's it's kind of funny what they do you know I actually uh what is they do you know I actually uh what is they do you know I actually uh what is it this new documentary on Netflix it this new documentary on Netflix it this new documentary on Netflix antisocial Network or something like antisocial Network or something like antisocial Network or something like that that was really was fascinating that that was really was fascinating that that was really was fascinating just fortun just the you know the spirit just fortun just the you know the spirit just fortun just the you know the spirit of the thing Fortune Mis understand of the thing Fortune Mis understand of the thing Fortune Mis understand Fortune it's so much about freedom and Fortune it's so much about freedom and Fortune it's so much about freedom and also like the humor involved in fucking also like the humor involved in fucking also like the humor involved in fucking with the system and fucking with man with the system and fucking with man with the system and fucking with man it's just anti-stem for fun the the dark it's just anti-stem for fun the the dark it's just anti-stem for fun the the dark aspect of it is you're having fun you're

aspect of it is you're having fun you're aspect of it is you're having fun you're doing anti-stem stuff but like the Nazis doing anti-stem stuff but like the Nazis doing anti-stem stuff but like the Nazis always show up and it's somehow bad shit always show up and it's somehow bad shit always show up and it's somehow bad shit started happening it starts drifting started happening it starts drifting started happening it starts drifting somehow yeah like school shootings and somehow yeah like school shootings and somehow yeah like school shootings and stuff so it's a very difficult topic but stuff so it's a very difficult topic but stuff so it's a very difficult topic but I I do know it's especially early on I I I do know it's especially early on I I I do know it's especially early on I think 2010 I would go to for for fun and think 2010 I would go to for for fun and think 2010 I would go to for for fun and they would post like crazy offensive they would post like crazy offensive they would post like crazy offensive stuff and this was just to scare off stuff and this was just to scare off stuff and this was just to scare off people so we' show to other people say people so we' show to other people say people so we' show to other people say hey do you know this internet website hey do you know this internet website hey do you know this internet website for just check it out yeah and it' be for just check it out yeah and it' be for just check it out yeah and it' be dude what the fuck I'm like no no you dude what the fuck I'm like no no you dude what the fuck I'm like no no you don't understand that's to scare you don't understand that's to scare you don't understand that's to scare you away but actually when you go through a away but actually when you go through a away but actually when you go through a scroll there's like deep conversations scroll there's like deep conversations scroll there's like deep conversations yes and there would already be this was yes and there would already be this was yes and there would already be this was like a Normy filter like to stop yeah so like a Normy filter like to stop yeah so like a Normy filter like to stop yeah so kind of cool but yeah goes dark it goes kind of cool but yeah goes dark it goes kind of cool but yeah goes dark it goes dark and if you have those people show dark and if you have those people show dark and if you have those people show up they'll for the fun of it do a bunch up they'll for the fun of it do a bunch up they'll for the fun of it do a bunch of racist things and all that kind of of racist things and all that kind of of racist things and all that kind of stuff you're saying but everything's I stuff you're saying but everything's I stuff you're saying but everything's I think it was never man I'm not a think it was never man I'm not a think it was never man I'm not a fortunate but like I it was always about fortunate but like I it was always about fortunate but like I it was always about provoking it's just provocateur you know provoking it's just provocateur you know provoking it's just provocateur you know but the the provoking in the case of but the the provoking in the case of but the the provoking in the case of hood Maps or something like this can can hood Maps or something like this can can hood Maps or something like this can can damage damage damage the uh good thing like you know a a the uh good thing like you know a a the uh good thing like you know a a little poison in a town is always good little poison in a town is always good little poison in a town is always good it's like the the Tom weights thing but it's like the the Tom weights thing but it's like the the Tom weights thing but you don't want too much otherwise it it you don't want too much otherwise it it you don't want too much otherwise it it destroys the town it destroys the thing destroys the town it destroys the thing destroys the town it destroys the thing they're kind of like pen testers you they're kind of like pen testers you they're kind of like pen testers you know like penetration testers hackers know like penetration testers hackers know like penetration testers hackers yeah they just test your app for you and yeah they just test your app for you and yeah they just test your app for you and then you add some stuff like I add like then you add some stuff like I add like then you add some stuff like I add like a I add like a NSFW W list they would a I add like a NSFW W list they would a I add like a NSFW W list they would say like bad words so when they would say like bad words so when they would say like bad words so when they would write like a bad word they would get write like a bad word they would get write like a bad word they would get forwarded to YouTube which was like a forwarded to YouTube which was like a forwarded to YouTube which was like a video video video was like a a very relaxing video that's was like a a very relaxing video that's was like a a very relaxing video that's like kind of ASMR with like glowing

like kind of ASMR with like glowing like kind of ASMR with like glowing jelly streaming like this to relax them jelly streaming like this to relax them jelly streaming like this to relax them you know or cheese melting on the toes you know or cheese melting on the toes you know or cheese melting on the toes to chill them out I like it like but to chill them out I like it like but to chill them out I like it like but actually a lot of stuff I didn't realize actually a lot of stuff I didn't realize actually a lot of stuff I didn't realize how much originated in forchan in terms how much originated in forchan in terms how much originated in forchan in terms of memes Rick Roll I didn't understand I of memes Rick Roll I didn't understand I of memes Rick Roll I didn't understand I didn't know that Rick Roll originated in didn't know that Rick Roll originated in didn't know that Rick Roll originated in forchan like there's so many memes like forchan like there's so many memes like forchan like there's so many memes like most of the memes that you think the most of the memes that you think the most of the memes that you think the word role I think comes from forun like word role I think comes from forun like word role I think comes from forun like not the word role but like in this case not the word role but like in this case not the word role but like in this case in a mem used like you would get like in a mem used like you would get like in a mem used like you would get like roll doubles cuz every it was like post roll doubles cuz every it was like post roll doubles cuz every it was like post IDs on fortun so they were R they were IDs on fortun so they were R they were IDs on fortun so they were R they were kind of like random so if I get doubles kind of like random so if I get doubles kind of like random so if I get doubles like this happens or something so You' like this happens or something so You' like this happens or something so You' get like two two anyway it's like a get like two two anyway it's like a get like two two anyway it's like a betting Market kind of on these doubles betting Market kind of on these doubles betting Market kind of on these doubles on these post IDs this so much funny on these post IDs this so much funny on these post IDs this so much funny stuff yeah I mean that's internet that's stuff yeah I mean that's internet that's stuff yeah I mean that's internet that's purest but yeah again the dark stuff purest but yeah again the dark stuff purest but yeah again the dark stuff kind of seeps in yeah and you you it's kind of seeps in yeah and you you it's kind of seeps in yeah and you you it's nice to keep the dark stuff to like some nice to keep the dark stuff to like some nice to keep the dark stuff to like some low amount it's nice to have a bit of low amount it's nice to have a bit of low amount it's nice to have a bit of noise of the darkness but not too much noise of the darkness but not too much noise of the darkness but not too much yeah and but again like you have to pay yeah and but again like you have to pay yeah and but again like you have to pay attention to that with um I mean I guess attention to that with um I mean I guess attention to that with um I mean I guess spam in general you have to fight that spam in general you have to fight that spam in general you have to fight that with NAD list how do you fight spam man with NAD list how do you fight spam man with NAD list how do you fight spam man I use gp4 now it's amazing so so I have I use gp4 now it's amazing so so I have I use gp4 now it's amazing so so I have like um user input I have reviews people like um user input I have reviews people like um user input I have reviews people can review cities and they don't need to can review cities and they don't need to can review cities and they don't need to actually sign up it's Anonymous reviews actually sign up it's Anonymous reviews actually sign up it's Anonymous reviews and they write like whole books about and they write like whole books about and they write like whole books about like cities and what's good and bad so like cities and what's good and bad so like cities and what's good and bad so uh I run it through gp4 now and I ask uh I run it through gp4 now and I ask uh I run it through gp4 now and I ask like is this a you know is this a good like is this a you know is this a good like is this a you know is this a good review like is it offensive is it racist review like is it offensive is it racist review like is it offensive is it racist or some stuff and and it sends me a or some stuff and and it sends me a or some stuff and and it sends me a message on telegram when it rejects

message on telegram when it rejects message on telegram when it rejects reviews and I check it and it's man it's reviews and I check it and it's man it's reviews and I check it and it's man it's so on point a yes and it's so accurate so on point a yes and it's so accurate so on point a yes and it's so accurate it understands double meanings um I have it understands double meanings um I have it understands double meanings um I have gb4 running on the on the on the chat gb4 running on the on the on the chat gb4 running on the on the on the chat Community it's a chat community of Community it's a chat community of Community it's a chat community of 10,000 people and they're chatting and 10,000 people and they're chatting and 10,000 people and they're chatting and they start fighting with each other um they start fighting with each other um they start fighting with each other um and I used to have uh human moderators and I used to have uh human moderators and I used to have uh human moderators was very good but they would start was very good but they would start was very good but they would start fighting the human moderator like this fighting the human moderator like this fighting the human moderator like this guy's biased or something I have GPT 4 guy's biased or something I have GPT 4 guy's biased or something I have GPT 4 and it's it's it's really really really and it's it's it's really really really and it's it's it's really really really really good it understands humor it really good it understands humor it really good it understands humor it understands like like you could say understands like like you could say understands like like you could say something bad but it's kind of like a something bad but it's kind of like a something bad but it's kind of like a joke and it's kind of not like offensive joke and it's kind of not like offensive joke and it's kind of not like offensive so much so it shouldn't be deleted right so much so it shouldn't be deleted right so much so it shouldn't be deleted right understands that you know it's I would understands that you know it's I would understands that you know it's I would love to have a gbt 4 based filter of love to have a gbt 4 based filter of love to have a gbt 4 based filter of like of different kinds of for like X like of different kinds of for like X like of different kinds of for like X yeah I fought this week like I tweeted yeah I fought this week like I tweeted yeah I fought this week like I tweeted like a fact check like you can click like a fact check like you can click like a fact check like you can click fact check and then gp4 look gp4 not fact check and then gp4 look gp4 not fact check and then gp4 look gp4 not always right about stuff right but it always right about stuff right but it always right about stuff right but it can give you a general fact check on a can give you a general fact check on a can give you a general fact check on a tweet like usually what I do now when I tweet like usually what I do now when I tweet like usually what I do now when I write something like Difficult about write something like Difficult about write something like Difficult about economics or something or AI I put in economics or something or AI I put in economics or something or AI I put in gp4 I say can you fact check it because gp4 I say can you fact check it because gp4 I say can you fact check it because I might have said something stupid and I might have said something stupid and I might have said something stupid and the stupid stuff always gets taken out the stupid stuff always gets taken out the stupid stuff always gets taken out by the reply is like oh you said this by the reply is like oh you said this by the reply is like oh you said this wrong and and then the whole tweet kind wrong and and then the whole tweet kind wrong and and then the whole tweet kind of doesn't make sense anymore so I asked of doesn't make sense anymore so I asked of doesn't make sense anymore so I asked gbt for to fact check a lot of stuff so gbt for to fact check a lot of stuff so gbt for to fact check a lot of stuff so fact check is a tough one yeah but it fact check is a tough one yeah but it fact check is a tough one yeah but it would be interesting to sort of would be interesting to sort of would be interesting to sort of um rate the thing based on how well um rate the thing based on how well um rate the thing based on how well thought out it is and how well argued it thought out it is and how well argued it thought out it is and how well argued it is yeah that that seems more doable that

is yeah that that seems more doable that is yeah that that seems more doable that seems like more doable like it seems seems like more doable like it seems seems like more doable like it seems like a GPT thing because that that's like a GPT thing because that that's like a GPT thing because that that's less about the truth and it's more about less about the truth and it's more about less about the truth and it's more about the rigor of the thing exactly and you the rigor of the thing exactly and you the rigor of the thing exactly and you can ask that you can ask in the prompt can ask that you can ask in the prompt can ask that you can ask in the prompt like I don't know like for example do like I don't know like for example do like I don't know like for example do you think create like a ranking score of you think create like a ranking score of you think create like a ranking score of X Twitter replies where I should this X Twitter replies where I should this X Twitter replies where I should this post be if we rank on like I don't know post be if we rank on like I don't know post be if we rank on like I don't know Integrity reality like fundamental Integrity reality like fundamental Integrity reality like fundamental deepness or something inness um and it deepness or something inness um and it deepness or something inness um and it would give you that with a pretty good would give you that with a pretty good would give you that with a pretty good score probably I mean Elon can do this score probably I mean Elon can do this score probably I mean Elon can do this with groc right he can start doing using with groc right he can start doing using with groc right he can start doing using that to to check replies cuz the reply that to to check replies cuz the reply that to to check replies cuz the reply section is like chaos you know and section is like chaos you know and section is like chaos you know and actually the ranking of the replies is actually the ranking of the replies is actually the ranking of the replies is not doesn't make any sense doesn't make not doesn't make any sense doesn't make not doesn't make any sense doesn't make sense no and I I would like to sort in sense no and I I would like to sort in sense no and I I would like to sort in different kinds of ways yeah and you get different kinds of ways yeah and you get different kinds of ways yeah and you get too many replies now if you have a lot too many replies now if you have a lot too many replies now if you have a lot of followers I get too many replies I of followers I get too many replies I of followers I get too many replies I don't see everything and I I a lot of don't see everything and I I a lot of don't see everything and I I a lot of stuff I just miss and I don't I want to stuff I just miss and I don't I want to stuff I just miss and I don't I want to see the good stuff and also the see the good stuff and also the see the good stuff and also the notifications or whatever it's just notifications or whatever it's just notifications or whatever it's just complete chaos yeah it'd be nice to be complete chaos yeah it'd be nice to be complete chaos yeah it'd be nice to be able to filter that in interesting ways able to filter that in interesting ways able to filter that in interesting ways sort in interesting sort in interesting sort in interesting ways cuz like I feel like I miss a lot ways cuz like I feel like I miss a lot ways cuz like I feel like I miss a lot and I what's surfaced for me are just and I what's surfaced for me are just and I what's surfaced for me are just like a random comment by a person with like a random comment by a person with like a random comment by a person with no followers that's positive or negative no followers that's positive or negative no followers that's positive or negative it's like okay if it's a very good it's like okay if it's a very good it's like okay if it's a very good comment it should happen but it should comment it should happen but it should comment it should happen but it should probably look a little bit more like do probably look a little bit more like do probably look a little bit more like do these people have followers because these people have followers because these people have followers because they're probably more engaged in the they're probably more engaged in the they're probably more engaged in the platform right oh no if it's I don't platform right oh no if it's I don't platform right oh no if it's I don't even care about how many followers if even care about how many followers if even care about how many followers if you're ranking by the quality of the you're ranking by the quality of the you're ranking by the quality of the comment great yeah but not just like comment great yeah but not just like comment great yeah but not just like randomly like chronological just a sea randomly like chronological just a sea randomly like chronological just a sea of comments yeah yeah yeah it does makes

of comments yeah yeah yeah it does makes of comments yeah yeah yeah it does makes sense yeah uh X could be very improved sense yeah uh X could be very improved sense yeah uh X could be very improved of that I think one thing you you spouse of that I think one thing you you spouse of that I think one thing you you spouse a lot which I love is the automation a lot which I love is the automation a lot which I love is the automation step so like once you have a Thing Once step so like once you have a Thing Once step so like once you have a Thing Once you have an idea and you build it and it you have an idea and you build it and it you have an idea and you build it and it actually starts making money and it's actually starts making money and it's actually starts making money and it's making people happy there's a community making people happy there's a community making people happy there's a community of people using of people using of people using it you want to take the autom step of it you want to take the autom step of it you want to take the autom step of automating the things you have to do as automating the things you have to do as automating the things you have to do as little work as possible for it to keep little work as possible for it to keep little work as possible for it to keep running indefinitely can you like running indefinitely can you like running indefinitely can you like explain your philosophy there what do explain your philosophy there what do explain your philosophy there what do you mean by automate yeah so the general you mean by automate yeah so the general you mean by automate yeah so the general theory of stter would be that when when theory of stter would be that when when theory of stter would be that when when it starts like you start making money it starts like you start making money it starts like you start making money you start hiring people to do stuff you start hiring people to do stuff you start hiring people to do stuff right do stuff that you like marketing right do stuff that you like marketing right do stuff that you like marketing for example do stuff that you would do for example do stuff that you would do for example do stuff that you would do in the beginning yourself um and in the beginning yourself um and in the beginning yourself um and whatever Community Management and whatever Community Management and whatever Community Management and organizing meetups for nist for example organizing meetups for nist for example organizing meetups for nist for example that would be a job for example and I that would be a job for example and I that would be a job for example and I thought like uh I don't the money for thought like uh I don't the money for thought like uh I don't the money for that and I I don't really want to run that and I I don't really want to run that and I I don't really want to run like a big company with a lot of people like a big company with a lot of people like a big company with a lot of people because there's a lot of work managing because there's a lot of work managing because there's a lot of work managing these people so I've always tried to these people so I've always tried to these people so I've always tried to like automate these things as much as like automate these things as much as like automate these things as much as possible and um and this can literally possible and um and this can literally possible and um and this can literally be like for this it's literally like a be like for this it's literally like a be like for this it's literally like a it's not a different other stars was it's not a different other stars was it's not a different other stars was like a web page where you can organize like a web page where you can organize like a web page where you can organize your own Meetup set a set a schedule a your own Meetup set a set a schedule a your own Meetup set a set a schedule a date whatever you can see how many date whatever you can see how many date whatever you can see how many Nomads will be there at that date so you Nomads will be there at that date so you Nomads will be there at that date so you know there will be actually enough know there will be actually enough know there will be actually enough Nomads to meet up right and then um when Nomads to meet up right and then um when Nomads to meet up right and then um when it's done it sends a tweet out on the it's done it sends a tweet out on the it's done it sends a tweet out on the nist account there's a Meetup here it nist account there's a Meetup here it nist account there's a Meetup here it sends a direct message to everybody in sends a direct message to everybody in sends a direct message to everybody in the city who are there who are going to the city who are there who are going to the city who are there who are going to be there and then people show up on a be there and then people show up on a be there and then people show up on a bar and there's a Meetup and that's

bar and there's a Meetup and that's bar and there's a Meetup and that's fully automated and for me it's like fully automated and for me it's like fully automated and for me it's like it's not it's so obvious to make this it's not it's so obvious to make this it's not it's so obvious to make this automatic why would you why would you automatic why would you why would you automatic why would you why would you have somebody organize this like um it have somebody organize this like um it have somebody organize this like um it makes more sense to automate it and this makes more sense to automate it and this makes more sense to automate it and this with most of my things like I figure out with most of my things like I figure out with most of my things like I figure out like how to do it with code and I think like how to do it with code and I think like how to do it with code and I think especially now with AI like you can especially now with AI like you can especially now with AI like you can automate so much more stuff than before automate so much more stuff than before automate so much more stuff than before because AI understands things so well because AI understands things so well because AI understands things so well like before I would use if statements like before I would use if statements like before I would use if statements right now you ask GPT you put something right now you ask GPT you put something right now you ask GPT you put something in GPT for and in the API and it sends in GPT for and in the API and it sends in GPT for and in the API and it sends back like this is good this is bad yeah back like this is good this is bad yeah back like this is good this is bad yeah so you basically can now even uh so you basically can now even uh so you basically can now even uh automate sort of subjective type of automate sort of subjective type of automate sort of subjective type of things this is the difference now and things this is the difference now and things this is the difference now and that's very recent right but it's still that's very recent right but it's still that's very recent right but it's still difficult to I mean that step of difficult to I mean that step of difficult to I mean that step of automation is difficult automation is difficult automation is difficult to figure out how to is you're basically to figure out how to is you're basically to figure out how to is you're basically delegating everything to code and it's delegating everything to code and it's delegating everything to code and it's not trivial to take that step for a lot not trivial to take that step for a lot not trivial to take that step for a lot of people of people of people So when you say automate are you are you So when you say automate are you are you So when you say automate are you are you talking about like Crown jobs Yes Man a talking about like Crown jobs Yes Man a talking about like Crown jobs Yes Man a lot of crown jobs a lot of crown jobs lot of crown jobs a lot of crown jobs lot of crown jobs a lot of crown jobs it's like uh I literally I log into the it's like uh I literally I log into the it's like uh I literally I log into the server and I do like pseudo Chron tab d server and I do like pseudo Chron tab d server and I do like pseudo Chron tab d e and then I go into the editor and I e and then I go into the editor and I e and then I go into the editor and I write like hourly and then I write write like hourly and then I write write like hourly and then I write PHP uh you know do this thing. PHP and PHP uh you know do this thing. PHP and PHP uh you know do this thing. PHP and that's a script and that script does a that's a script and that script does a that's a script and that script does a thing and it does it then hourly that's thing and it does it then hourly that's thing and it does it then hourly that's it and that's how all my websites work it and that's how all my websites work it and that's how all my websites work do you have a thing where it like emails do you have a thing where it like emails do you have a thing where it like emails emils you or something like this or emils you or something like this or emils you or something like this or email somebody managing the thing if email somebody managing the thing if email somebody managing the thing if something goes wrong I have these web something goes wrong I have these web something goes wrong I have these web pages I make they're called like health pages I make they're called like health pages I make they're called like health checks so like Health check. PHP and

checks so like Health check. PHP and checks so like Health check. PHP and then it has like emojis like a has like then it has like emojis like a has like then it has like emojis like a has like a green check mark if it's good and a a green check mark if it's good and a a green check mark if it's good and a red one if it's bad and then it does red one if it's bad and then it does red one if it's bad and then it does like database curious for example like like database curious for example like like database curious for example like what's the internet speed in for example what's the internet speed in for example what's the internet speed in for example um Amsterdam MH okay it's a number it's um Amsterdam MH okay it's a number it's um Amsterdam MH okay it's a number it's like 27 point megabit so it's accurate like 27 point megabit so it's accurate like 27 point megabit so it's accurate number okay check good and it goes to number okay check good and it goes to number okay check good and it goes to the next and it goes on all the data the next and it goes on all the data the next and it goes on all the data points did people sign up in the last 24 points did people sign up in the last 24 points did people sign up in the last 24 hours it's important because maybe the hours it's important because maybe the hours it's important because maybe the sign up broke okay check somebody sign sign up broke okay check somebody sign sign up broke okay check somebody sign up then I have um uptime robot.com which up then I have um uptime robot.com which up then I have um uptime robot.com which is like for uptime but it can also check is like for uptime but it can also check is like for uptime but it can also check keywords it checks for an emoji which is keywords it checks for an emoji which is keywords it checks for an emoji which is like the Red X which is if something is like the Red X which is if something is like the Red X which is if something is bad and so it opens that health check bad and so it opens that health check bad and so it opens that health check page every minute to check if something page every minute to check if something page every minute to check if something is bad then if it's bad it sends a is bad then if it's bad it sends a is bad then if it's bad it sends a message to me on telegram saying hey message to me on telegram saying hey message to me on telegram saying hey what's up uh it doesn't say hey what's what's up uh it doesn't say hey what's what's up uh it doesn't say hey what's up it sends me like alert like this up it sends me like alert like this up it sends me like alert like this thing is down and then I check so within thing is down and then I check so within thing is down and then I check so within a minute of something breaking I know it a minute of something breaking I know it a minute of something breaking I know it and then I can open my laptop and fix it and then I can open my laptop and fix it and then I can open my laptop and fix it yeah but the good thing is like the last yeah but the good thing is like the last yeah but the good thing is like the last few years things don't break anymore and few years things don't break anymore and few years things don't break anymore and like definitely 10 years ago when I like definitely 10 years ago when I like definitely 10 years ago when I started everything was breaking all the started everything was breaking all the started everything was breaking all the time and now it's like almost it's last time and now it's like almost it's last time and now it's like almost it's last week was like 100. z% up time and these week was like 100. z% up time and these week was like 100. z% up time and these health checks are part of the uptime health checks are part of the uptime health checks are part of the uptime percentage so it's like everything works percentage so it's like everything works percentage so it's like everything works yeah actually making me realize I should yeah actually making me realize I should yeah actually making me realize I should uh I should have a page for myself like uh I should have a page for myself like uh I should have a page for myself like one page that has all the health checks one page that has all the health checks one page that has all the health checks just so I can go to didn't see all the just so I can go to didn't see all the just so I can go to didn't see all the green check marks just it feels good to green check marks just it feels good to green check marks just it feels good to look as you know it just be like okay look as you know it just be like okay look as you know it just be like okay yeah all right we're okay everything's yeah all right we're okay everything's yeah all right we're okay everything's okay yeah and like you can see like when okay yeah and like you can see like when okay yeah and like you can see like when was the last time something wasn't okay

was the last time something wasn't okay was the last time something wasn't okay and it'll say like never or like meaning and it'll say like never or like meaning and it'll say like never or like meaning like you've you've you've you've checked like you've you've you've you've checked like you've you've you've you've checked since you've last cared to check it was since you've last cared to check it was since you've last cared to check it was all been okay for sure it used to send all been okay for sure it used to send all been okay for sure it used to send me the the good health checks like yeah me the the good health checks like yeah me the the good health checks like yeah you know this all works it all works but you know this all works it all works but you know this all works it all works but it's been so often and I'm like this it's been so often and I'm like this it's been so often and I'm like this feels so good but then I'm like okay OB feels so good but then I'm like okay OB feels so good but then I'm like okay OB is not going to we need to hide the good is not going to we need to hide the good is not going to we need to hide the good ones and show only the bad ones and now ones and show only the bad ones and now ones and show only the bad ones and now that's the case I need to integrate that's the case I need to integrate that's the case I need to integrate everything into one place I automate everything into one place I automate everything into one place I automate like everything yeah have also just a like everything yeah have also just a like everything yeah have also just a large uh set of cron jobs a lot of the large uh set of cron jobs a lot of the large uh set of cron jobs a lot of the publication this podcast is has done all publication this podcast is has done all publication this podcast is has done all everything is just on automatically it's everything is just on automatically it's everything is just on automatically it's all clipped up all the all all this kind all clipped up all the all all this kind all clipped up all the all all this kind of stuff yeah but it would be nice to of stuff yeah but it would be nice to of stuff yeah but it would be nice to automate even more like a translation automate even more like a translation automate even more like a translation all this kind of stuff would be nice to all this kind of stuff would be nice to all this kind of stuff would be nice to automate yeah every JavaScript every PHP automate yeah every JavaScript every PHP automate yeah every JavaScript every PHP error gets sent to my telegram as well error gets sent to my telegram as well error gets sent to my telegram as well so every user whatever user it is so every user whatever user it is so every user whatever user it is doesn't have to be page user if they run doesn't have to be page user if they run doesn't have to be page user if they run into an error um the JavaScript sends into an error um the JavaScript sends into an error um the JavaScript sends the JavaScript error to the server and the JavaScript error to the server and the JavaScript error to the server and then it sends to my telegram from all my then it sends to my telegram from all my then it sends to my telegram from all my websites so you get like a message so I websites so you get like a message so I websites so you get like a message so I get like a uncut variable error whatever get like a uncut variable error whatever get like a uncut variable error whatever blah blah blah and then I'm like okay blah blah blah and then I'm like okay blah blah blah and then I'm like okay interesting and then I go check it out interesting and then I go check it out interesting and then I go check it out and that's like a way to get to zero and that's like a way to get to zero and that's like a way to get to zero errors because you get flooded with errors because you get flooded with errors because you get flooded with errors in the beginning and now it's errors in the beginning and now it's errors in the beginning and now it's like nothing like nothing like nothing almost so that's really cool but mat almost so that's really cool but mat almost so that's really cool but mat that's really cool but this is the same that's really cool but this is the same that's really cool but this is the same stuff people they they pay like very big stuff people they they pay like very big stuff people they they pay like very big size companies like New Relic for right size companies like New Relic for right size companies like New Relic for right like to manage the stuff um so you can like to manage the stuff um so you can like to manage the stuff um so you can do that too you can use off the-shelf I

do that too you can use off the-shelf I do that too you can use off the-shelf I like to build myself it's easier yeah like to build myself it's easier yeah like to build myself it's easier yeah it's nice it's nice to do that kind of it's nice it's nice to do that kind of it's nice it's nice to do that kind of automation I'm starting to think about automation I'm starting to think about automation I'm starting to think about like what are the things in my life I'm like what are the things in my life I'm like what are the things in my life I'm doing myself that could be doing myself that could be doing myself that could be automated uh in the ask your gbt you automated uh in the ask your gbt you automated uh in the ask your gbt you know like give your daily your day and know like give your daily your day and know like give your daily your day and then ask it what part you to automate then ask it what part you to automate then ask it what part you to automate well one of the things I I would love to well one of the things I I would love to well one of the things I I would love to automate more is my consumption and automate more is my consumption and automate more is my consumption and social media yeah both the the output social media yeah both the the output social media yeah both the the output and the input man that's very I think and the input man that's very I think and the input man that's very I think there's some startups that do that like there's some startups that do that like there's some startups that do that like they they summarize the cool shit they they summarize the cool shit they they summarize the cool shit happening on Twitter you know like with happening on Twitter you know like with happening on Twitter you know like with AI I think the guy called s wyx or AI I think the guy called s wyx or AI I think the guy called s wyx or something he does like a newsletter it's something he does like a newsletter it's something he does like a newsletter it's completely AI generated we have the cool completely AI generated we have the cool completely AI generated we have the cool the cool new stuff in AI yeah I mean I the cool new stuff in AI yeah I mean I the cool new stuff in AI yeah I mean I would love to do that but also like would love to do that but also like would love to do that but also like across Instagram Facebook LinkedIn all across Instagram Facebook LinkedIn all across Instagram Facebook LinkedIn all this kind of stuff just like okay can I this kind of stuff just like okay can I this kind of stuff just like okay can I can you summarize the internet for me can you summarize the internet for me can you summarize the internet for me for today summarize internet.com yeah for today summarize internet.com yeah for today summarize internet.com yeah cuz I I feel like it pulls in way too cuz I I feel like it pulls in way too cuz I I feel like it pulls in way too much uh time but also like I don't like much uh time but also like I don't like much uh time but also like I don't like the effect it has some days on my psyche the effect it has some days on my psyche the effect it has some days on my psyche because like haters or or just general because like haters or or just general because like haters or or just general content like no no just general like for content like no no just general like for content like no no just general like for example like Tik Tok is a good example example like Tik Tok is a good example example like Tik Tok is a good example of that for me I sometimes just feel of that for me I sometimes just feel of that for me I sometimes just feel Dumber after I use Tik Tok I just feel Dumber after I use Tik Tok I just feel Dumber after I use Tik Tok I just feel like I don't use it anymore empty like I don't use it anymore empty like I don't use it anymore empty somehow and I'm like somehow and I'm like somehow and I'm like uninspired yeah it's funny in the moment uninspired yeah it's funny in the moment uninspired yeah it's funny in the moment I'm like ah look at that cat doing a I'm like ah look at that cat doing a I'm like ah look at that cat doing a funny thing and then you're like oh look funny thing and then you're like oh look funny thing and then you're like oh look at that person dancing in a funny way to at that person dancing in a funny way to at that person dancing in a funny way to that music is and then you're like 10 that music is and then you're like 10 that music is and then you're like 10 minutes later you're like I feel way

minutes later you're like I feel way minutes later you're like I feel way dumber and I don't really want to do dumber and I don't really want to do dumber and I don't really want to do much for the rest of the day my much for the rest of the day my much for the rest of the day my girlfriend sat she saw me like watching girlfriend sat she saw me like watching girlfriend sat she saw me like watching some dumb video and she's like dude your some dumb video and she's like dude your some dumb video and she's like dude your face looks so dumb as well your whole face looks so dumb as well your whole face looks so dumb as well your whole face starts going like oh interesting face starts going like oh interesting face starts going like oh interesting you know you know you know so I mean with social media uh with uh so I mean with social media uh with uh so I mean with social media uh with uh with X sometimes for me too is I think with X sometimes for me too is I think with X sometimes for me too is I think I'm probably naturally gravitating I'm probably naturally gravitating I'm probably naturally gravitating towards the drama yeah aren't we all towards the drama yeah aren't we all towards the drama yeah aren't we all yeah so there following AI people yeah so there following AI people yeah so there following AI people especially AI people that only post especially AI people that only post especially AI people that only post technical content has been really good technical content has been really good technical content has been really good cuz then I just look at them and I and cuz then I just look at them and I and cuz then I just look at them and I and then I go down rabbit holes of like then I go down rabbit holes of like then I go down rabbit holes of like learning new papers that have been learning new papers that have been learning new papers that have been published or uh good repos or or um just published or uh good repos or or um just published or uh good repos or or um just any kind of cool demonstration of stuff any kind of cool demonstration of stuff any kind of cool demonstration of stuff and the the kind of things that they and the the kind of things that they and the the kind of things that they retweet and that's the rabbit hole I go retweet and that's the rabbit hole I go retweet and that's the rabbit hole I go and I'm learning and I'm inspired all and I'm learning and I'm inspired all and I'm learning and I'm inspired all that kind of stuff that kind of stuff that kind of stuff it's been tough it's been tough to it's been tough it's been tough to it's been tough it's been tough to control it's difficult you need to like control it's difficult you need to like control it's difficult you need to like manage your your your platforms you know manage your your your platforms you know manage your your your platforms you know I have a mute word list as well so I I have a mute word list as well so I I have a mute word list as well so I mute like politics stuff because I don't mute like politics stuff because I don't mute like politics stuff because I don't really want it on my feet and I think really want it on my feet and I think really want it on my feet and I think I've muted so much that now my feet is I've muted so much that now my feet is I've muted so much that now my feet is good you know I see like interesting good you know I see like interesting good you know I see like interesting stuff and but the fact that you need to stuff and but the fact that you need to stuff and but the fact that you need to modify you need to like mod your app modify you need to like mod your app modify you need to like mod your app your social media platform just to your social media platform just to your social media platform just to function and not be toxic for you for function and not be toxic for you for function and not be toxic for you for your mental health right that's like a your mental health right that's like a your mental health right that's like a problem like it should be doing that for problem like it should be doing that for problem like it should be doing that for you it's some level of automation you it's some level of automation you it's some level of automation I that that would be interesting I wish I that that would be interesting I wish I that that would be interesting I wish I could access X and Instagram through I could access X and Instagram through I could access X and Instagram through API easier you need to spend $42,000 a API easier you need to spend $42,000 a API easier you need to spend $42,000 a month which my friends do yeah you can month which my friends do yeah you can month which my friends do yeah you can do no but still even if you do that that

do no but still even if you do that that do no but still even if you do that that you're not getting I mean there's you're not getting I mean there's you're not getting I mean there's limitations that don't make it easy to limitations that don't make it easy to limitations that don't make it easy to do like yeah automate because they the do like yeah automate because they the do like yeah automate because they the thing that they're trying to limit like thing that they're trying to limit like thing that they're trying to limit like abuse or for you to steal all the data abuse or for you to steal all the data abuse or for you to steal all the data from the app to then train an llm or from the app to then train an llm or from the app to then train an llm or something like this but if I just want something like this but if I just want something like this but if I just want to like figure out ways to automate my to like figure out ways to automate my to like figure out ways to automate my inter action with the X system or with inter action with the X system or with inter action with the X system or with with Instagram they they don't make that with Instagram they they don't make that with Instagram they they don't make that easy but I would love to sort of easy but I would love to sort of easy but I would love to sort of automate that and explore different ways automate that and explore different ways automate that and explore different ways to how to leverage llms to control the to how to leverage llms to control the to how to leverage llms to control the content I consume and and maybe publish content I consume and and maybe publish content I consume and and maybe publish that maybe they themselves can see how that maybe they themselves can see how that maybe they themselves can see how that could be used to improve their that could be used to improve their that could be used to improve their system so but there's not system so but there's not system so but there's not enough uh access you can screen cap your enough uh access you can screen cap your enough uh access you can screen cap your phone right can be an app that watches phone right can be an app that watches phone right can be an app that watches your screen with you you could yeah but your screen with you you could yeah but your screen with you you could yeah but I don't really know like what it would I don't really know like what it would I don't really know like what it would do like maybe it can hide stuff before do like maybe it can hide stuff before do like maybe it can hide stuff before you see it you know like I I have Chrome you see it you know like I I have Chrome you see it you know like I I have Chrome extensions I I write a lot of Chrome extensions I I write a lot of Chrome extensions I I write a lot of Chrome extensions that hide parts of different extensions that hide parts of different extensions that hide parts of different pages and so on like for example for my pages and so on like for example for my pages and so on like for example for my own on my main computer I hide all views own on my main computer I hide all views own on my main computer I hide all views and likes and all that on on YouTube and likes and all that on on YouTube and likes and all that on on YouTube content that I create so that you it content that I create so that you it content that I create so that you it doesn't yeah so you don't pay attention doesn't yeah so you don't pay attention doesn't yeah so you don't pay attention to it um I also hide Parts there I have to it um I also hide Parts there I have to it um I also hide Parts there I have a mode for X where I hide most of a mode for X where I hide most of a mode for X where I hide most of everything so like there's no it's same everything so like there's no it's same everything so like there's no it's same with YouTube the same I have this with YouTube the same I have this with YouTube the same I have this extension like uh well I wrote my own extension like uh well I wrote my own extension like uh well I wrote my own because it's easier because it keeps because it's easier because it keeps because it's easier because it keeps changing it's like it's it's not easy to changing it's like it's it's not easy to changing it's like it's it's not easy to keep it dynamically changing but they're keep it dynamically changing but they're keep it dynamically changing but they're really good at like getting you to be really good at like getting you to be really good at like getting you to be distracted and like starting related distracted and like starting related distracted and like starting related accounts related post I'm like I don't accounts related post I'm like I don't accounts related post I'm like I don't want related and like 10 minutes later

want related and like 10 minutes later want related and like 10 minutes later you're like or something that's trending you're like or something that's trending you're like or something that's trending I have a weird amount of friends I have a weird amount of friends I have a weird amount of friends addicted to YouTube and I'm not addicted addicted to YouTube and I'm not addicted addicted to YouTube and I'm not addicted I think because my attention span is too I think because my attention span is too I think because my attention span is too short for YouTube but uh but I I have short for YouTube but uh but I I have short for YouTube but uh but I I have this extension to like YouTube on hook this extension to like YouTube on hook this extension to like YouTube on hook which like it hides all the related which like it hides all the related which like it hides all the related stuff I can just see the video mhm and stuff I can just see the video mhm and stuff I can just see the video mhm and it's amazing and uh but sometimes I need it's amazing and uh but sometimes I need it's amazing and uh but sometimes I need to like like I I need to search a video to like like I I need to search a video to like like I I need to search a video how to how to do something and then I go how to how to do something and then I go how to how to do something and then I go to YouTube and I had these YouTube to YouTube and I had these YouTube to YouTube and I had these YouTube shorts these YouTube shorts are like shorts these YouTube shorts are like shorts these YouTube shorts are like they're like algorithmically designed to they're like algorithmically designed to they're like algorithmically designed to just make you tap them and like I tap just make you tap them and like I tap just make you tap them and like I tap and and then I'm like five minutes later and and then I'm like five minutes later and and then I'm like five minutes later with his face like and you're you're with his face like and you're you're with his face like and you're you're just stuck and he's like what happened I just stuck and he's like what happened I just stuck and he's like what happened I was gonna open I was going to play like was gonna open I was going to play like was gonna open I was going to play like the coffee mix you know like the music the coffee mix you know like the music the coffee mix you know like the music mix for drinking coffee together like in mix for drinking coffee together like in mix for drinking coffee together like in the morning like jazz I didn't want to the morning like jazz I didn't want to the morning like jazz I didn't want to go to shorts go to shorts go to shorts so it's it's very uh it's very so it's it's very uh it's very so it's it's very uh it's very difficult I love how we're actually difficult I love how we're actually difficult I love how we're actually highlighting all kinds of interesting highlighting all kinds of interesting highlighting all kinds of interesting problems that all could be solved with a problems that all could be solved with a problems that all could be solved with a start up okay so what what about the start up okay so what what about the start up okay so what what about the exit when and how to exit man you exit when and how to exit man you exit when and how to exit man you shouldn't ask me because I never sold my shouldn't ask me because I never sold my shouldn't ask me because I never sold my company and you've never all the company and you've never all the company and you've never all the successful stuff you've done you've successful stuff you've done you've successful stuff you've done you've never sold it yeah it's kind of sad never sold it yeah it's kind of sad never sold it yeah it's kind of sad right like I I've been in so I've been right like I I've been in so I've been right like I I've been in so I've been in in a lot of acquisition like deals in in a lot of acquisition like deals in in a lot of acquisition like deals and stuff and I learn a lot about and stuff and I learn a lot about and stuff and I learn a lot about Finance people as as well there like Finance people as as well there like Finance people as as well there like manipulation and do diligence and then manipulation and do diligence and then manipulation and do diligence and then changing the valuation like people changing the valuation like people changing the valuation like people change the valuation after uh so they change the valuation after uh so they change the valuation after uh so they they a lot of people string you on to they a lot of people string you on to they a lot of people string you on to acquire you and then it takes like six acquire you and then it takes like six acquire you and then it takes like six months it's like classic it takes six to months it's like classic it takes six to months it's like classic it takes six to 12 months they want to see everything 12 months they want to see everything 12 months they want to see everything they want to see the the your stripe and they want to see the the your stripe and they want to see the the your stripe and your code and whatever and then um in

your code and whatever and then um in your code and whatever and then um in the end they'll they'll change the price the end they'll they'll change the price the end they'll they'll change the price to lower because you're already so to lower because you're already so to lower because you're already so invested so it's like a negotiation invested so it's like a negotiation invested so it's like a negotiation tactic right I'm like no then I don't tactic right I'm like no then I don't tactic right I'm like no then I don't want to sell right and the problem with want to sell right and the problem with want to sell right and the problem with my companies is like they make you know my companies is like they make you know my companies is like they make you know 90% profit margin so the multiple they 90% profit margin so the multiple they 90% profit margin so the multiple they companies get sold with multiples kind companies get sold with multiples kind companies get sold with multiples kind of multiples of profit or revenue and of multiples of profit or revenue and of multiples of profit or revenue and often the multiples like three times often the multiples like three times often the multiples like three times three times or four times or five times three times or four times or five times three times or four times or five times revenue or profit so in my case they're revenue or profit so in my case they're revenue or profit so in my case they're all automated so I might as as well wait all automated so I might as as well wait all automated so I might as as well wait three years and I get the same money as three years and I get the same money as three years and I get the same money as when I sell and then I can still sell when I sell and then I can still sell when I sell and then I can still sell the same company you know what I mean I the same company you know what I mean I the same company you know what I mean I can still sell for three five times so can still sell for three five times so can still sell for three five times so financially it doesn't really make sense financially it doesn't really make sense financially it doesn't really make sense to sell yeah unless the price high to sell yeah unless the price high to sell yeah unless the price high enough like if the gets to like six or enough like if the gets to like six or enough like if the gets to like six or seven or eight I don't want to wait six seven or eight I don't want to wait six seven or eight I don't want to wait six years for the money you know but if you years for the money you know but if you years for the money you know but if you give me three like three years nothing give me three like three years nothing give me three like three years nothing like I can wait so I mean the really like I can wait so I mean the really like I can wait so I mean the really valuable stuff about the companies you valuable stuff about the companies you valuable stuff about the companies you created is not just the interface and created is not just the interface and created is not just the interface and the and the crowdsource content but the the and the crowdsource content but the the and the crowdsource content but the people themselves like the user base people themselves like the user base people themselves like the user base yeah but nor list it's a community yeah yeah but nor list it's a community yeah yeah but nor list it's a community yeah so I could see that being extremely so I could see that being extremely so I could see that being extremely valuable I'm surprised but normally this valuable I'm surprised but normally this valuable I'm surprised but normally this is like it's like my baby it's like my is like it's like my baby it's like my is like it's like my baby it's like my first product I took off and I don't first product I took off and I don't first product I took off and I don't really know if I want to sell it it's really know if I want to sell it it's really know if I want to sell it it's like something you would nice when you like something you would nice when you like something you would nice when you you know when you're old that you're you know when you're old that you're you know when you're old that you're still working in this you know it's like still working in this you know it's like still working in this you know it's like a it has like a mission which is like um a it has like a mission which is like um a it has like a mission which is like um people should travel anywhere and they people should travel anywhere and they people should travel anywhere and they can work from anywhere and they can meet can work from anywhere and they can meet can work from anywhere and they can meet different cultures and that's a good way different cultures and that's a good way different cultures and that's a good way to make the world get better if you to make the world get better if you to make the world get better if you learn if you go to China and live in learn if you go to China and live in learn if you go to China and live in China you'll learn that they're nice China you'll learn that they're nice China you'll learn that they're nice people and a lot of stuff you hear about people and a lot of stuff you hear about people and a lot of stuff you hear about China's propaganda a lot of stuff is

China's propaganda a lot of stuff is China's propaganda a lot of stuff is true as well but it's more you know you true as well but it's more you know you true as well but it's more you know you learn a lot from traveling and I think learn a lot from traveling and I think learn a lot from traveling and I think that's why it's like a cool project to that's why it's like a cool project to that's why it's like a cool project to like not sell uh AI projects I have less like not sell uh AI projects I have less like not sell uh AI projects I have less emotional feeling with AI projects like emotional feeling with AI projects like emotional feeling with AI projects like guy mhm which I could sell yeah yeah the guy mhm which I could sell yeah yeah the guy mhm which I could sell yeah yeah the thing you also mentioned is you have to thing you also mentioned is you have to thing you also mentioned is you have to price in the fact that you're going to price in the fact that you're going to price in the fact that you're going to miss yeah the company you cre and miss yeah the company you cre and miss yeah the company you cre and meaning it gives you right there's a meaning it gives you right there's a meaning it gives you right there's a very famous like depression after very famous like depression after very famous like depression after started fin a Solar Company like they're started fin a Solar Company like they're started fin a Solar Company like they're like this was my this was me like who am like this was my this was me like who am like this was my this was me like who am I and they immediately start building I and they immediately start building I and they immediately start building another one you know they never can stop another one you know they never can stop another one you know they never can stop so I think it's it's good to keep so I think it's it's good to keep so I think it's it's good to keep working you know until you die just keep working you know until you die just keep working you know until you die just keep working on cool stuff and you shouldn't working on cool stuff and you shouldn't working on cool stuff and you shouldn't retire you know I think retirement is retire you know I think retirement is retire you know I think retirement is bad probably so you usually build the bad probably so you usually build the bad probably so you usually build the stuff solo and mostly work stuff solo and mostly work stuff solo and mostly work solo what's the thinking behind that I solo what's the thinking behind that I solo what's the thinking behind that I think I'm not so good working with other think I'm not so good working with other think I'm not so good working with other people not like I'm crazy but like I I people not like I'm crazy but like I I people not like I'm crazy but like I I don't trust other people to clarify you don't trust other people to clarify you don't trust other people to clarify you don't trust other people to do a great don't trust other people to do a great don't trust other people to do a great job yeah and I don't want to have like job yeah and I don't want to have like job yeah and I don't want to have like this consensus meeting where we all like this consensus meeting where we all like this consensus meeting where we all like you know you have like a meeting with you know you have like a meeting with you know you have like a meeting with three people and then you kind of get three people and then you kind of get three people and then you kind of get this Compromise result which is very this Compromise result which is very this Compromise result which is very European like it's very in Holland we European like it's very in Holland we European like it's very in Holland we call po where you put people in the room call po where you put people in the room call po where you put people in the room and you only let them out when they and you only let them out when they and you only let them out when they agree on the compromise right in agree on the compromise right in agree on the compromise right in politics and I don't think it I think it politics and I don't think it I think it politics and I don't think it I think it it breeds like averageness you know you it breeds like averageness you know you it breeds like averageness you know you get an average idea average company get an average idea average company get an average idea average company average average average culture um you need to have like a culture um you need to have like a culture um you need to have like a leader or you need to be solo and just leader or you need to be solo and just leader or you need to be solo and just do it you know do it yourself I think

do it you know do it yourself I think do it you know do it yourself I think and I trust some people like now I like and I trust some people like now I like and I trust some people like now I like with my best friend Andre I'm making a with my best friend Andre I'm making a with my best friend Andre I'm making a new AI startup um but it's because we we new AI startup um but it's because we we new AI startup um but it's because we we know each other very long and he's one know each other very long and he's one know each other very long and he's one of the few people I would build of the few people I would build of the few people I would build something with and uh but almost never something with and uh but almost never something with and uh but almost never yeah so what does it take to be yeah so what does it take to be yeah so what does it take to be successful when you have more than one successful when you have more than one successful when you have more than one like how do you build together with like how do you build together with like how do you build together with Andre how you build together with other Andre how you build together with other Andre how you build together with other people so he codes uh I shit post on people so he codes uh I shit post on people so he codes uh I shit post on Twitter literally like I promoted on Twitter literally like I promoted on Twitter literally like I promoted on Twitter I I we said like product Twitter I I we said like product Twitter I I we said like product strategy like I said this should be strategy like I said this should be strategy like I said this should be better this should be better but I think better this should be better but I think better this should be better but I think you need to have one person coding it he you need to have one person coding it he you need to have one person coding it he codes in Ruby so I cannot do Ruby I'm in codes in Ruby so I cannot do Ruby I'm in codes in Ruby so I cannot do Ruby I'm in PHP so you literally so you have you PHP so you literally so you have you PHP so you literally so you have you ever coded with another person for ever coded with another person for ever coded with another person for prolonged periods of time never in my prolonged periods of time never in my prolonged periods of time never in my life so uh what what do you think is behind so uh what what do you think is behind that I don't know it was always just me that I don't know it was always just me that I don't know it was always just me sitting on my laptop like like goting no sitting on my laptop like like goting no sitting on my laptop like like goting no like you've never had another developer like you've never had another developer like you've never had another developer who like rolls in and like I've had once who like rolls in and like I've had once who like rolls in and like I've had once where F I like there's AI developer where F I like there's AI developer where F I like there's AI developer Philip I hired him to do the because I I Philip I hired him to do the because I I Philip I hired him to do the because I I can't write Python and AI stuff is can't write Python and AI stuff is can't write Python and AI stuff is Python and I needed to get models to Python and I needed to get models to Python and I needed to get models to work on replicate and stuff and I needed work on replicate and stuff and I needed work on replicate and stuff and I needed to improve photo ey and he helped me a to improve photo ey and he helped me a to improve photo ey and he helped me a lot for like 10 months he worked and uh lot for like 10 months he worked and uh lot for like 10 months he worked and uh man I was trying Pyon working with numpy man I was trying Pyon working with numpy man I was trying Pyon working with numpy and package manager and it was too and package manager and it was too and package manager and it was too difficult for me to figure this shit out difficult for me to figure this shit out difficult for me to figure this shit out and I didn't have time like I think 10 and I didn't have time like I think 10 and I didn't have time like I think 10 years ago I would have time to like sit years ago I would have time to like sit years ago I would have time to like sit you know go do all nighters to figure you know go do all nighters to figure you know go do all nighters to figure this stuff out with python I don't have this stuff out with python I don't have this stuff out with python I don't have the and I don't have the it's not my the and I don't have the it's not my the and I don't have the it's not my thing it's not your thing it's another thing it's not your thing it's another thing it's not your thing it's another programming language I get it AI new programming language I get it AI new programming language I get it AI new thing got it but like you've never had a

thing got it but like you've never had a thing got it but like you've never had a developer roll in look at your PHP J developer roll in look at your PHP J developer roll in look at your PHP J query code and be and yes like you know query code and be and yes like you know query code and be and yes like you know like in conversation or in impr they like in conversation or in impr they like in conversation or in impr they talk about yes and like basically all talk about yes and like basically all talk about yes and like basically all right I had for one week understand and right I had for one week understand and right I had for one week understand and then it ended because he wanted to then it ended because he wanted to then it ended because he wanted to rewrite everything in the no that's the rewrite everything in the no that's the rewrite everything in the no that's the wrong guy I know he wanted to rewrite in wrong guy I know he wanted to rewrite in wrong guy I know he wanted to rewrite in what he wanted to rewrite to he said to what he wanted to rewrite to he said to what he wanted to rewrite to he said to JY we cannot do this I'm like okay he's JY we cannot do this I'm like okay he's JY we cannot do this I'm like okay he's like we need to rewrite everything think like we need to rewrite everything think like we need to rewrite everything think in view VJs I'm like are you sure come in view VJs I'm like are you sure come in view VJs I'm like are you sure come just like kind you know like keep jaker just like kind you know like keep jaker just like kind you know like keep jaker he's like no man like and uh we need to he's like no man like and uh we need to he's like no man like and uh we need to change a lot of stuff and I'm like okay change a lot of stuff and I'm like okay change a lot of stuff and I'm like okay and I was kind of like feeling it like and I was kind of like feeling it like and I was kind of like feeling it like this you know we're going to clean up this you know we're going to clean up this you know we're going to clean up shit but then after weeks this it's not shit but then after weeks this it's not shit but then after weeks this it's not gonna it's gonna take way too much time gonna it's gonna take way too much time gonna it's gonna take way too much time I think I like working with people where I think I like working with people where I think I like working with people where like when I approach like when I approach like when I approach them I pretend in my head that they're them I pretend in my head that they're them I pretend in my head that they're the smartest person who has ever existed the smartest person who has ever existed the smartest person who has ever existed wow so I look at their code or I look at wow so I look at their code or I look at wow so I look at their code or I look at the stuff they've created and try to see the stuff they've created and try to see the stuff they've created and try to see The Genius of their way like you really The Genius of their way like you really The Genius of their way like you really have to understand people like really have to understand people like really have to understand people like really notice them like really and then from notice them like really and then from notice them like really and then from that place have a conversation about that place have a conversation about that place have a conversation about what is the better approach yeah but what is the better approach yeah but what is the better approach yeah but those are the top tier developers yeah those are the top tier developers yeah those are the top tier developers yeah and they those are the ones that are and they those are the ones that are and they those are the ones that are Tech ambiguous so they can work with Tech ambiguous so they can work with Tech ambiguous so they can work with they can learn any teex Tech and they they can learn any teex Tech and they they can learn any teex Tech and they can and that's like really few like it's can and that's like really few like it's can and that's like really few like it's like top 5% cuz if you try hire deps like top 5% cuz if you try hire deps like top 5% cuz if you try hire deps like no offense to devs but most devs like no offense to devs but most devs like no offense to devs but most devs are not man most people in general jobs are not man most people in general jobs are not man most people in general jobs are not so good at their job like even are not so good at their job like even are not so good at their job like even doctors and stuff when you realize this doctors and stuff when you realize this doctors and stuff when you realize this people are very average at the job people are very average at the job people are very average at the job especially with death with coding I

especially with death with coding I especially with death with coding I think so sorry I think that's a really think so sorry I think that's a really think so sorry I think that's a really important skill for for developer to important skill for for developer to important skill for for developer to roll in and like understand the roll in and like understand the roll in and like understand the musicality the the style of and like musicality the the style of and like musicality the the style of and like empathy it's like code empathy right empathy it's like code empathy right empathy it's like code empathy right code empathy yeah it's a new word but code empathy yeah it's a new word but code empathy yeah it's a new word but that's it you need to understand like go that's it you need to understand like go that's it you need to understand like go over all the code get a holistic view of over all the code get a holistic view of over all the code get a holistic view of it and man you can suggest we we change it and man you can suggest we we change it and man you can suggest we we change stuff for sure but um and look jur is stuff for sure but um and look jur is stuff for sure but um and look jur is crazy it's crazy I'm using J Cur we can crazy it's crazy I'm using J Cur we can crazy it's crazy I'm using J Cur we can change that it's not crazy at all jQuery change that it's not crazy at all jQuery change that it's not crazy at all jQuery is also like beautiful and powerful and is also like beautiful and powerful and is also like beautiful and powerful and PHP is beautiful and Powerful especially PHP is beautiful and Powerful especially PHP is beautiful and Powerful especially as you said recently in the in the in as you said recently in the in the in as you said recently in the in the in the as the versions evolved it's much the as the versions evolved it's much the as the versions evolved it's much more serious programming language now more serious programming language now more serious programming language now it's super it's super it's super like PHP is really fast now it's cat like PHP is really fast now it's cat like PHP is really fast now it's cat JavaScript much Ruby really fast now so JavaScript much Ruby really fast now so JavaScript much Ruby really fast now so if speed is something you care about if speed is something you care about if speed is something you care about it's super fast um and like there's it's super fast um and like there's it's super fast um and like there's gigantic communities of people using gigantic communities of people using gigantic communities of people using those programming languages and there's those programming languages and there's those programming languages and there's Frameworks if you like the framework so Frameworks if you like the framework so Frameworks if you like the framework so there whatever it doesn't really matter there whatever it doesn't really matter there whatever it doesn't really matter what you use but like also you if I was what you use but like also you if I was what you use but like also you if I was like a developer working with you like like a developer working with you like like a developer working with you like you are extremely successful you've you are extremely successful you've you are extremely successful you've shipped a lot so like if I roll in I'm shipped a lot so like if I roll in I'm shipped a lot so like if I roll in I'm going to be be like I don't assume you going to be be like I don't assume you going to be be like I don't assume you know nothing assume Peter's a genius know nothing assume Peter's a genius know nothing assume Peter's a genius like the smartest developer ever and like the smartest developer ever and like the smartest developer ever and like learn learn from it and yes and like learn learn from it and yes and like learn learn from it and yes and like notice Parts in the code where like like notice Parts in the code where like like notice Parts in the code where like okay okay okay I got it like here's how okay okay okay I got it like here's how okay okay okay I got it like here's how he's thinking and now if I want to add he's thinking and now if I want to add he's thinking and now if I want to add another uh like a little feature another uh like a little feature another uh like a little feature definitely needs to have

definitely needs to have definitely needs to have Emoji yeah in front of it and then like Emoji yeah in front of it and then like Emoji yeah in front of it and then like just follow the same style and add it just follow the same style and add it just follow the same style and add it and my goal is to make you happy to make and my goal is to make you happy to make and my goal is to make you happy to make make you smile like to make you like ha make you smile like to make you like ha make you smile like to make you like ha fuck I I get it and now you're going to fuck I I get it and now you're going to fuck I I get it and now you're going to start respecting me and like trusting me start respecting me and like trusting me start respecting me and like trusting me and like you start working together in and like you start working together in and like you start working together in this way I I don't know I I don't know this way I I don't know I I don't know this way I I don't know I I don't know how hard is to find developers no I how hard is to find developers no I how hard is to find developers no I think that exist I think you need to I think that exist I think you need to I think that exist I think you need to I need to hire more people need to try need to hire more people need to try need to hire more people need to try more people but that cost a lot of my more people but that cost a lot of my more people but that cost a lot of my energy and time but it's 100% possible energy and time but it's 100% possible energy and time but it's 100% possible but do I want it I don't know things but do I want it I don't know things but do I want it I don't know things kind of run fine for now and I mean like kind of run fine for now and I mean like kind of run fine for now and I mean like okay you can say like okay nor looks okay you can say like okay nor looks okay you can say like okay nor looks kind of clunky like people say the kind of clunky like people say the kind of clunky like people say the design is kind of clunk okay I'll design is kind of clunk okay I'll design is kind of clunk okay I'll improve the design it's like next to my improve the design it's like next to my improve the design it's like next to my to-do list for example you know like I to-do list for example you know like I to-do list for example you know like I can I'll get there eventually but it's can I'll get there eventually but it's can I'll get there eventually but it's true I mean you're also extremely good true I mean you're also extremely good true I mean you're also extremely good at at what you do like I'm just looking at at what you do like I'm just looking at at what you do like I'm just looking at the interfaces of like Photo AI like at the interfaces of like Photo AI like at the interfaces of like Photo AI like you would Jake by the way jQuery right you would Jake by the way jQuery right you would Jake by the way jQuery right like how amazing is jQuery but like you like how amazing is jQuery but like you like how amazing is jQuery but like you can these Cowboys are getting these are can these Cowboys are getting these are can these Cowboys are getting these are there's these there's these there's these Cowboys this is a lot it's a lot but I'm Cowboys this is a lot it's a lot but I'm Cowboys this is a lot it's a lot but I'm glad they're all wearing shirts anyway glad they're all wearing shirts anyway glad they're all wearing shirts anyway the interface here is just really really the interface here is just really really the interface here is just really really nice like I could tell you know what nice like I could tell you know what nice like I could tell you know what you're doing and with Nomad list you're doing and with Nomad list you're doing and with Nomad list extremely nice the interface thank you extremely nice the interface thank you extremely nice the interface thank you man and that's all you yeah that's man and that's all you yeah that's man and that's all you yeah that's everything is me so all of this in every everything is me so all of this in every everything is me so all of this in every little feature all say it looks kind of little feature all say it looks kind of little feature all say it looks kind of ADHD or add you know like it's so much ADHD or add you know like it's so much ADHD or add you know like it's so much because it has so many things and design because it has so many things and design because it has so many things and design these days is minimalist right right these days is minimalist right right these days is minimalist right right right I hear you but this is uh a lot of

right I hear you but this is uh a lot of right I hear you but this is uh a lot of information and it's useful information information and it's useful information information and it's useful information is delivered in a clean way while still is delivered in a clean way while still is delivered in a clean way while still stylish and fun to look at so like stylish and fun to look at so like stylish and fun to look at so like minimalist design is about like when you minimalist design is about like when you minimalist design is about like when you want to convey no information whatsoever want to convey no information whatsoever want to convey no information whatsoever and look cool it's very cool it's and look cool it's very cool it's and look cool it's very cool it's pretentious right pretentious or not pretentious right pretentious or not pretentious right pretentious or not that the function is like is useless that the function is like is useless that the function is like is useless this is about a lot of information this is about a lot of information this is about a lot of information delivered to you in a clean and when delivered to you in a clean and when delivered to you in a clean and when it's clean you can't be too sexy so it's it's clean you can't be too sexy so it's it's clean you can't be too sexy so it's sexy enough yeah this is I think how my sexy enough yeah this is I think how my sexy enough yeah this is I think how my brain looks you know like there's a lot brain looks you know like there's a lot brain looks you know like there's a lot of shit going on it's like drawing based of shit going on it's like drawing based of shit going on it's like drawing based music it's like music it's like music it's like very yeah but it's still pretty the very yeah but it's still pretty the very yeah but it's still pretty the spacing of everything is nice the font a spacing of everything is nice the font a spacing of everything is nice the font a really nice like very readable very really nice like very readable very really nice like very readable very small I like it you know but I made it small I like it you know but I made it small I like it you know but I made it so I don't trust my own judgments no so I don't trust my own judgments no so I don't trust my own judgments no this is really nice thank you the Emojis this is really nice thank you the Emojis this is really nice thank you the Emojis are somehow like it's a style it's a are somehow like it's a style it's a are somehow like it's a style it's a thing I need to pick the Emoji it takes thing I need to pick the Emoji it takes thing I need to pick the Emoji it takes a while to pick them you know there's a while to pick them you know there's a while to pick them you know there's some something about Emoji is a really some something about Emoji is a really some something about Emoji is a really nice memorable like placeholder for the nice memorable like placeholder for the nice memorable like placeholder for the idea yeah like if it was just text it idea yeah like if it was just text it idea yeah like if it was just text it would actually be overwhelming if you would actually be overwhelming if you would actually be overwhelming if you was just text the Emoji really helps was just text the Emoji really helps was just text the Emoji really helps it's a brilliant addition like some some it's a brilliant addition like some some it's a brilliant addition like some some people might look at it why do you have people might look at it why do you have people might look at it why do you have emojis everywhere it's actually really emojis everywhere it's actually really emojis everywhere it's actually really for me it's really tell me to to remove for me it's really tell me to to remove for me it's really tell me to to remove the Emojis people don't know what the Emojis people don't know what the Emojis people don't know what they're talking about and then they're talking about and then they're talking about and then the I'm sure people will tell you a lot the I'm sure people will tell you a lot the I'm sure people will tell you a lot of things this is really nice and then of things this is really nice and then of things this is really nice and then using color is nice small font but not using color is nice small font but not using color is nice small font but not too small and obviously you have to show too small and obviously you have to show too small and obviously you have to show maps which is really tricky maps which is really tricky maps which is really tricky yeah yeah this is this is no this is

yeah yeah this is this is no this is yeah yeah this is this is no this is really really really nice and all of I really really really nice and all of I really really really nice and all of I mean like okay like how this looks when mean like okay like how this looks when mean like okay like how this looks when you uh hover over it yeah as transitions you uh hover over it yeah as transitions you uh hover over it yeah as transitions no I understand that but like I'm sure no I understand that but like I'm sure no I understand that but like I'm sure there's like how long does it take you there's like how long does it take you there's like how long does it take you to figure out how you want it to look do to figure out how you want it to look do to figure out how you want it to look do you ever go out down Rabbit Hole where you ever go out down Rabbit Hole where you ever go out down Rabbit Hole where you spend like two weeks no it's all you spend like two weeks no it's all you spend like two weeks no it's all iterative it's like 10 years of you know iterative it's like 10 years of you know iterative it's like 10 years of you know add a SE transition here or or do this add a SE transition here or or do this add a SE transition here or or do this or well was say like see these are all or well was say like see these are all or well was say like see these are all these are rounded now yeah if you wanted these are rounded now yeah if you wanted these are rounded now yeah if you wanted to like H round is probably the better to like H round is probably the better to like H round is probably the better way but if you wanted to be rectangular way but if you wanted to be rectangular way but if you wanted to be rectangular like sharp Corners what would you do you like sharp Corners what would you do you like sharp Corners what would you do you just so I go to the index. CSS and I do just so I go to the index. CSS and I do just so I go to the index. CSS and I do command F and I search border radius command F and I search border radius command F and I search border radius 12px and then I replace with border 12px and then I replace with border 12px and then I replace with border radius zero and then I do command enter radius zero and then I do command enter radius zero and then I do command enter and it's G deploys it it pushes to the and it's G deploys it it pushes to the and it's G deploys it it pushes to the GI Hub and then sends a webbook and then GI Hub and then sends a webbook and then GI Hub and then sends a webbook and then deploys to my server and it's live in 5 deploys to my server and it's live in 5 deploys to my server and it's live in 5 seconds oh you often deploy to seconds oh you often deploy to seconds oh you often deploy to production you you don't have like a production you you don't have like a production you you don't have like a testing ground no so testing ground no so testing ground no so I so I I'm like famous for this Cu uh I so I I'm like famous for this Cu uh I so I I'm like famous for this Cu uh I'm too lazy to set up like a staging I'm too lazy to set up like a staging I'm too lazy to set up like a staging server on my laptop every time so I server on my laptop every time so I server on my laptop every time so I nowadays I just deploy to production nowadays I just deploy to production nowadays I just deploy to production yeah and um it's man I'm going to canel yeah and um it's man I'm going to canel yeah and um it's man I'm going to canel for this you know but it it works very for this you know but it it works very for this you know but it it works very well for me CU I have a lot of I have well for me CU I have a lot of I have well for me CU I have a lot of I have like PHP lint and J lint so it tells me like PHP lint and J lint so it tells me like PHP lint and J lint so it tells me when has error so I don't deploy but my when has error so I don't deploy but my when has error so I don't deploy but my literally I I I have like 37,000 git literally I I I have like 37,000 git literally I I I have like 37,000 git commits in the last 12 months or commits in the last 12 months or commits in the last 12 months or something so I make like small fix and something so I make like small fix and something so I make like small fix and then command enter M uh and sends to then command enter M uh and sends to then command enter M uh and sends to GitHub GitHub sends a web to my server GitHub GitHub sends a web to my server GitHub GitHub sends a web to my server web server pulls it deploys the

web server pulls it deploys the web server pulls it deploys the production and it's there what's the production and it's there what's the production and it's there what's the latency of that from you pressing one latency of that from you pressing one latency of that from you pressing one second can be one two seconds to make a second can be one two seconds to make a second can be one two seconds to make a change and then you're getting really change and then you're getting really change and then you're getting really good at like not making mistakes good at like not making mistakes good at like not making mistakes basically man 100% you're right like basically man 100% you're right like basically man 100% you're right like people are like how can you do this why people are like how can you do this why people are like how can you do this why you get good at not taking the server you get good at not taking the server you get good at not taking the server down you know like because you need to down you know like because you need to down you know like because you need to code more carefully but it's look it's code more carefully but it's look it's code more carefully but it's look it's idiotic in any big company but for me it idiotic in any big company but for me it idiotic in any big company but for me it works because it makes me so fast like works because it makes me so fast like works because it makes me so fast like somebody um will report a bug on Twitter somebody um will report a bug on Twitter somebody um will report a bug on Twitter and I kind of did do like a stopwatch and I kind of did do like a stopwatch and I kind of did do like a stopwatch like how fast can I fix this bug and like how fast can I fix this bug and like how fast can I fix this bug and then two minutes later for example it's then two minutes later for example it's then two minutes later for example it's fixed yeah and it's fun cuz it's cuz fixed yeah and it's fun cuz it's cuz fixed yeah and it's fun cuz it's cuz it's annoying for me to work with it's annoying for me to work with it's annoying for me to work with companies where report a bug and it companies where report a bug and it companies where report a bug and it takes like 6 months yeah it's like takes like 6 months yeah it's like takes like 6 months yeah it's like horrible and it makes people really horrible and it makes people really horrible and it makes people really happy when you can really quickly solve happy when you can really quickly solve happy when you can really quickly solve their problems so but it's it's crazy their problems so but it's it's crazy their problems so but it's it's crazy I'm I admit I don't think it's crazy I I I'm I admit I don't think it's crazy I I I'm I admit I don't think it's crazy I I mean there's I'm sure there's a middle mean there's I'm sure there's a middle mean there's I'm sure there's a middle ground but I think that whole thing ground but I think that whole thing ground but I think that whole thing where there's a a phase of like testing where there's a a phase of like testing where there's a a phase of like testing and there's the staging and there's a and there's the staging and there's a and there's the staging and there's a develop and then there's like multiple develop and then there's like multiple develop and then there's like multiple tables and databases that you use for tables and databases that you use for tables and databases that you use for the state like it's fing it's a mess and the state like it's fing it's a mess and the state like it's fing it's a mess and there's different teams involved it's there's different teams involved it's there's different teams involved it's it's not good I'm like a good funny it's not good I'm like a good funny it's not good I'm like a good funny extreme on the other size you know but extreme on the other size you know but extreme on the other size you know but just a little bit safer but not too much just a little bit safer but not too much just a little bit safer but not too much it would be great yeah yeah I'm sure it would be great yeah yeah I'm sure it would be great yeah yeah I'm sure that's actually like how X now how they that's actually like how X now how they that's actually like how X now how they doing rapid Improvement they do because doing rapid Improvement they do because doing rapid Improvement they do because there's more bugs and people complain there's more bugs and people complain there's more bugs and people complain about like oh look he bought this about like oh look he bought this about like oh look he bought this Twitter now it's full of bugs dude he's Twitter now it's full of bugs dude he's Twitter now it's full of bugs dude he's shipping stuff like things are happening shipping stuff like things are happening shipping stuff like things are happening now and it's a dynamic app now yeah the now and it's a dynamic app now yeah the now and it's a dynamic app now yeah the bugs is actually a sign of a good thing bugs is actually a sign of a good thing bugs is actually a sign of a good thing happening the bugs of the feature

happening the bugs of the feature happening the bugs of the feature because it shows that the team is because it shows that the team is because it shows that the team is actually building shit 100% well one of actually building shit 100% well one of actually building shit 100% well one of the problems is like I see with YouTube the problems is like I see with YouTube the problems is like I see with YouTube there's so much potential to build there's so much potential to build there's so much potential to build features but I just see how long it features but I just see how long it features but I just see how long it takes so I've gotten a chance to uh takes so I've gotten a chance to uh takes so I've gotten a chance to uh interact with with many other teams but interact with with many other teams but interact with with many other teams but one of the teams is uh MLA multilanguage one of the teams is uh MLA multilanguage one of the teams is uh MLA multilanguage audio I don't know if you know this but audio I don't know if you know this but audio I don't know if you know this but in YouTube you can have audio tracks in in YouTube you can have audio tracks in in YouTube you can have audio tracks in different languages for overdubbing and different languages for overdubbing and different languages for overdubbing and that there's a team and not many people that there's a team and not many people that there's a team and not many people are using it but like every single are using it but like every single are using it but like every single feature they have to meet and agree and feature they have to meet and agree and feature they have to meet and agree and like there's allocate resources like like there's allocate resources like like there's allocate resources like Engineers have to work on it but I'm Engineers have to work on it but I'm Engineers have to work on it but I'm sure it's a pain in the ass for the sure it's a pain in the ass for the sure it's a pain in the ass for the engineers to get approval to like engineers to get approval to like engineers to get approval to like because that it has to not break the because that it has to not break the because that it has to not break the rest of the site whatever they do but rest of the site whatever they do but rest of the site whatever they do but like if you don't have enough like if you don't have enough like if you don't have enough dictatorial like top down like we need dictatorial like top down like we need dictatorial like top down like we need this now it's going to take forever to this now it's going to take forever to this now it's going to take forever to do anything multilanguage audio but do anything multilanguage audio but do anything multilanguage audio but multilanguage audio is a good example of multilanguage audio is a good example of multilanguage audio is a good example of a thing that seems Niche right now but a thing that seems Niche right now but a thing that seems Niche right now but it quite possibly could change the it quite possibly could change the it quite possibly could change the entire world when you have when I upload entire world when you have when I upload entire world when you have when I upload this this conversation right here if this this conversation right here if this this conversation right here if instantaneously it dubs it into 40 instantaneously it dubs it into 40 instantaneously it dubs it into 40 languages yeah man and everybody consume languages yeah man and everybody consume languages yeah man and everybody consume every single video can be watched and every single video can be watched and every single video can be watched and listened to in those different it listened to in those different it listened to in those different it changes everything and YouTube is changes everything and YouTube is changes everything and YouTube is extremely well positioned to be the extremely well positioned to be the extremely well positioned to be the leader in this they got the they got the leader in this they got the they got the leader in this they got the they got the compute they got the uh the user base compute they got the uh the user base compute they got the uh the user base they got like they have the experience they got like they have the experience they got like they have the experience of how to do this so like multilanguage

of how to do this so like multilanguage of how to do this so like multilanguage audio should be high priority feature audio should be high priority feature audio should be high priority feature right yeah that's high priority like and right yeah that's high priority like and right yeah that's high priority like and it's a way you know Google is obsessed it's a way you know Google is obsessed it's a way you know Google is obsessed with AI right now they want to show off with AI right now they want to show off with AI right now they want to show off that they could be dominant in AI That's that they could be dominant in AI That's that they could be dominant in AI That's a way for Google to say like we used AI a way for Google to say like we used AI a way for Google to say like we used AI like this is a way to to to Break Down like this is a way to to to Break Down like this is a way to to to Break Down The Walls that language creates the The Walls that language creates the The Walls that language creates the preferred outcome for them for them is preferred outcome for them for them is preferred outcome for them for them is probably their career and not the the probably their career and not the the probably their career and not the the overall result of the the cool product overall result of the the cool product overall result of the the cool product you know I think they they're not like you know I think they they're not like you know I think they they're not like selfish or whatever they they want to do selfish or whatever they they want to do selfish or whatever they they want to do good there's something about the machine good there's something about the machine good there's something about the machine organization organizational stuff that I organization organizational stuff that I organization organizational stuff that I have this when I report bogs and like have this when I report bogs and like have this when I report bogs and like big companies I work with I get I talk big companies I work with I get I talk big companies I work with I get I talk to a lot of different people DM and to a lot of different people DM and to a lot of different people DM and they're all really trying hard to do they're all really trying hard to do they're all really trying hard to do something they're all really nice and something they're all really nice and something they're all really nice and I'm the one being kind of asshole cuz I'm the one being kind of asshole cuz I'm the one being kind of asshole cuz I'm like guys I'm talking to 20 people I'm like guys I'm talking to 20 people I'm like guys I'm talking to 20 people about this for six months and nothing's about this for six months and nothing's about this for six months and nothing's happening and say man I know but I'm happening and say man I know but I'm happening and say man I know but I'm trying my best and yeah so it's systemic trying my best and yeah so it's systemic trying my best and yeah so it's systemic yeah so what it requires again I don't yeah so what it requires again I don't yeah so what it requires again I don't know if there must be a nicer word but know if there must be a nicer word but know if there must be a nicer word but like a dictatorial type of top down the like a dictatorial type of top down the like a dictatorial type of top down the co rolls in uh and just says like for co rolls in uh and just says like for co rolls in uh and just says like for YouTube it's like MLA get this done now YouTube it's like MLA get this done now YouTube it's like MLA get this done now this is the highest priority I think big this is the highest priority I think big this is the highest priority I think big companies especially in America a lot of companies especially in America a lot of companies especially in America a lot of it is legal right you need to pass it is legal right you need to pass it is legal right you need to pass everything through legal yeah and you everything through legal yeah and you everything through legal yeah and you can't like man the things I do I could can't like man the things I do I could can't like man the things I do I could never do that in a big Corporation never do that in a big Corporation never do that in a big Corporation because it's everything has to be because it's everything has to be because it's everything has to be probably get deployed has to go to Legal probably get deployed has to go to Legal probably get deployed has to go to Legal well again dict tutorial you basically well again dict tutorial you basically well again dict tutorial you basically say Steve Jobs did this quite a lot I've say Steve Jobs did this quite a lot I've say Steve Jobs did this quite a lot I've seen a lot of leaders do this ignore the seen a lot of leaders do this ignore the seen a lot of leaders do this ignore the lawyers ignore coms ignore PR ignore lawyers ignore coms ignore PR ignore lawyers ignore coms ignore PR ignore everybody give power to the engineers everybody give power to the engineers everybody give power to the engineers like listen to the people on the ground

like listen to the people on the ground like listen to the people on the ground get this shit done and get it done by get this shit done and get it done by get this shit done and get it done by Friday yeah that's it and the law can Friday yeah that's it and the law can Friday yeah that's it and the law can change like for example let's say you change like for example let's say you change like for example let's say you you launch this AI dubbing and it you launch this AI dubbing and it you launch this AI dubbing and it there's some law legal problems with there's some law legal problems with there's some law legal problems with lawsuits okay so the Law changes there lawsuits okay so the Law changes there lawsuits okay so the Law changes there will be appeals there will be some will be appeals there will be some will be appeals there will be some Supreme Court thing whatever and the Law Supreme Court thing whatever and the Law Supreme Court thing whatever and the Law changes so just by shipping it you changes so just by shipping it you changes so just by shipping it you change society you change the legal change society you change the legal change society you change the legal framework and by not shipping being framework and by not shipping being framework and by not shipping being scared of the legal framework all the scared of the legal framework all the scared of the legal framework all the time like you're not changing things time like you're not changing things time like you're not changing things just out of curiosity what uh what IDE just out of curiosity what uh what IDE just out of curiosity what uh what IDE do you use let's talk about like your do you use let's talk about like your do you use let's talk about like your whole whole whole setup given how ultr productive you are setup given how ultr productive you are setup given how ultr productive you are and that you often programing your and that you often programing your and that you often programing your underwear slouching in the couch is underwear slouching in the couch is underwear slouching in the couch is there does it matter to you in general there does it matter to you in general there does it matter to you in general is there like a specific ID you use vs is there like a specific ID you use vs is there like a specific ID you use vs code yeah vs code before I use Sublime code yeah vs code before I use Sublime code yeah vs code before I use Sublime Text I don't think it matters a lot I Text I don't think it matters a lot I Text I don't think it matters a lot I think I'm I'm very skeptical of like think I'm I'm very skeptical of like think I'm I'm very skeptical of like tools when people think it they say it tools when people think it they say it tools when people think it they say it matters right I don't think it matters I matters right I don't think it matters I matters right I don't think it matters I think uh whatever tool you know very think uh whatever tool you know very think uh whatever tool you know very well you can go very very fast in like well you can go very very fast in like well you can go very very fast in like you know the shortcuts for example IDE you know the shortcuts for example IDE you know the shortcuts for example IDE you know you know like um I love Sublime you know you know like um I love Sublime you know you know like um I love Sublime Text because I could use like multic Text because I could use like multic Text because I could use like multic cursor you know you search something and cursor you know you search something and cursor you know you search something and I could like make Mass replaces in a I could like make Mass replaces in a I could like make Mass replaces in a file with the cursor thing and uh VOD file with the cursor thing and uh VOD file with the cursor thing and uh VOD doesn't really have that as well it's doesn't really have that as well it's doesn't really have that as well it's actually interesting Sublime is the actually interesting Sublime is the actually interesting Sublime is the first editor where I've learned that and first editor where I've learned that and first editor where I've learned that and I think they just make that super easy I think they just make that super easy I think they just make that super easy so like what would that be called so like what would that be called so like what would that be called multi-edit multi multi cursor edit thing multi-edit multi multi cursor edit thing multi-edit multi multi cursor edit thing whatever I'm sure like almost every whatever I'm sure like almost every whatever I'm sure like almost every editor can do that it's just probably editor can do that it's just probably editor can do that it's just probably hard to set up yeah's not so good at it hard to set up yeah's not so good at it hard to set up yeah's not so good at it I think or at least I try it but I would

I think or at least I try it but I would I think or at least I try it but I would use say to like uh process data like um use say to like uh process data like um use say to like uh process data like um data sets for example from World Bank I data sets for example from World Bank I data sets for example from World Bank I would just multic cursor Mass change would just multic cursor Mass change would just multic cursor Mass change everything um but yeah vs code I man I everything um but yeah vs code I man I everything um but yeah vs code I man I was bullied into using vs code because was bullied into using vs code because was bullied into using vs code because Twitter would always see my screenshots Twitter would always see my screenshots Twitter would always see my screenshots of sublime text and say why are you of sublime text and say why are you of sublime text and say why are you still using Sublime Text like Boomer you still using Sublime Text like Boomer you still using Sublime Text like Boomer you need to use vs codes and I'm like okay need to use vs codes and I'm like okay need to use vs codes and I'm like okay I'll try it I I got a new Macbook and I'll try it I I got a new Macbook and I'll try it I I got a new Macbook and then I I never install like I never copi then I I never install like I never copi then I I never install like I never copi the old MacBook I just make it fresh you the old MacBook I just make it fresh you the old MacBook I just make it fresh you know like a clean like format C you know know like a clean like format C you know know like a clean like format C you know Windows like clean start and I'm like Windows like clean start and I'm like Windows like clean start and I'm like okay I'll try vs code and it's stuck you okay I'll try vs code and it's stuck you okay I'll try vs code and it's stuck you know but I don't really care like it's know but I don't really care like it's know but I don't really care like it's not so important for me wow you know the not so important for me wow you know the not so important for me wow you know the format see reference huh dude it was so format see reference huh dude it was so format see reference huh dude it was so good you would install Windows and then good you would install Windows and then good you would install Windows and then after three or six months it would start after three or six months it would start after three or six months it would start breaking and everything was like get breaking and everything was like get breaking and everything was like get slow then you would restart go to Doss slow then you would restart go to Doss slow then you would restart go to Doss format C you would delete your hard format C you would delete your hard format C you would delete your hard drive and then install the Windows 95 drive and then install the Windows 95 drive and then install the Windows 95 again was so good times and you would again was so good times and you would again was so good times and you would design everything like now I'm going to design everything like now I'm going to design everything like now I'm going to install it properly now I'm going to install it properly now I'm going to install it properly now I'm going to design my desktop properly you know like design my desktop properly you know like design my desktop properly you know like yeah I don't know if it's peer pressure yeah I don't know if it's peer pressure yeah I don't know if it's peer pressure but like I use zMAX for many many years but like I use zMAX for many many years but like I use zMAX for many many years and I know you know I love lisp so a lot and I know you know I love lisp so a lot and I know you know I love lisp so a lot of the of the of the customization is done in lisp it's a customization is done in lisp it's a customization is done in lisp it's a programming language it partially was programming language it partially was programming language it partially was peer pressure but part of was realizing peer pressure but part of was realizing peer pressure but part of was realizing like you need to keep learning stuff like you need to keep learning stuff like you need to keep learning stuff like the same issue with jQuery like I like the same issue with jQuery like I like the same issue with jQuery like I still think I need to learn node.js for still think I need to learn node.js for still think I need to learn node.js for example yeah even though that's not my example yeah even though that's not my example yeah even though that's not my main thing or even close to the main main thing or even close to the main main thing or even close to the main thing but I feel like you need to keep thing but I feel like you need to keep thing but I feel like you need to keep learning this learning this learning this stuff and even if you don't choose to stuff and even if you don't choose to stuff and even if you don't choose to use it long term you need to give it a

use it long term you need to give it a use it long term you need to give it a chance so you your understanding of the chance so you your understanding of the chance so you your understanding of the world expands yeah you want to world expands yeah you want to world expands yeah you want to understand the new technological understand the new technological understand the new technological Concepts and see if they can benefit you Concepts and see if they can benefit you Concepts and see if they can benefit you you know it would be stupid not to even you know it would be stupid not to even you know it would be stupid not to even try it's more about the concepts I would try it's more about the concepts I would try it's more about the concepts I would say than the actual tools like expanding say than the actual tools like expanding say than the actual tools like expanding and that can be a challenging thing so and that can be a challenging thing so and that can be a challenging thing so going to VSS code and like really going to VSS code and like really going to VSS code and like really learning it like all the shortcuts all learning it like all the shortcuts all learning it like all the shortcuts all the extensions and actually installing the extensions and actually installing the extensions and actually installing different stuff and playing with it that different stuff and playing with it that different stuff and playing with it that was a interesting challenge it was was a interesting challenge it was was a interesting challenge it was uncomfortable at first yeah for me too uncomfortable at first yeah for me too uncomfortable at first yeah for me too yeah yeah but you just dive in it's like yeah yeah but you just dive in it's like yeah yeah but you just dive in it's like neur Flex like you keep your brain fresh neur Flex like you keep your brain fresh neur Flex like you keep your brain fresh you know like this kind of stuff I got you know like this kind of stuff I got you know like this kind of stuff I got to do that more like have you given to do that more like have you given to do that more like have you given react a chance no but I I want to I want react a chance no but I I want to I want react a chance no but I I want to I want to learn I want to I I understand the to learn I want to I I understand the to learn I want to I I understand the basics right basics right basics right um I don't really know where to start um I don't really know where to start um I don't really know where to start but would you like I guess you got to but would you like I guess you got to but would you like I guess you got to use your own model which is like build use your own model which is like build use your own model which is like build the thing using it no man you're so I the thing using it no man you're so I the thing using it no man you're so I kind of did that like I kind like the kind of did that like I kind like the kind of did that like I kind like the the the stuff I do in Jer is essentially the the stuff I do in Jer is essentially the the stuff I do in Jer is essentially a lot of it is like I start rebuilding a lot of it is like I start rebuilding a lot of it is like I start rebuilding whatever Tech is already out there not whatever Tech is already out there not whatever Tech is already out there not based on that but just an accident like based on that but just an accident like based on that but just an accident like I keep goinging long enough that I built I keep goinging long enough that I built I keep goinging long enough that I built the same I start getting the same the same I start getting the same the same I start getting the same problems everybody else had and you problems everybody else had and you problems everybody else had and you start building the same Frameworks kind start building the same Frameworks kind start building the same Frameworks kind of so I essentially I use my own kind of of so I essentially I use my own kind of of so I essentially I use my own kind of framework of so you basically build a framework of so you basically build a framework of so you basically build a framework from scratch that's your own framework from scratch that's your own framework from scratch that's your own that you understand it kind of yeah with that you understand it kind of yeah with that you understand it kind of yeah with ax calls but essentially it's same same ax calls but essentially it's same same ax calls but essentially it's same same thing look I don't have the time I don't thing look I don't have the time I don't thing look I don't have the time I don't and this is I think saying you don't and this is I think saying you don't and this is I think saying you don't have the time is like always a lie have the time is like always a lie have the time is like always a lie because you just don't prioritize it because you just don't prioritize it because you just don't prioritize it enough my priority is still like the the enough my priority is still like the the enough my priority is still like the the running the businesses and improving running the businesses and improving running the businesses and improving that and and AI I think learning AI is that and and AI I think learning AI is that and and AI I think learning AI is much more Val out and learning uh a

much more Val out and learning uh a much more Val out and learning uh a front end framework yeah like it's just front end framework yeah like it's just front end framework yeah like it's just more impact I guess you should be just more impact I guess you should be just more impact I guess you should be just learning every single day a thing yeah learning every single day a thing yeah learning every single day a thing yeah you can learn a little bit every day you can learn a little bit every day you can learn a little bit every day like a little bit of react or I think like a little bit of react or I think like a little bit of react or I think now like next is very big so learn a now like next is very big so learn a now like next is very big so learn a little bit of next you know but I I call little bit of next you know but I I call little bit of next you know but I I call them the military industrial complex so them the military industrial complex so them the military industrial complex so if I but you need to know you need to if I but you need to know you need to if I but you need to know you need to know it anyway so you got to learn how know it anyway so you got to learn how know it anyway so you got to learn how to use the weapons of war and then and to use the weapons of war and then and to use the weapons of war and then and then you can be a peace neck yeah yeah I then you can be a peace neck yeah yeah I then you can be a peace neck yeah yeah I mean but you got to learn in in in the mean but you got to learn in in in the mean but you got to learn in in in the same exact ways we were talking about same exact ways we were talking about same exact ways we were talking about which is learning by trying to build which is learning by trying to build which is learning by trying to build something with it and actually deploy it something with it and actually deploy it something with it and actually deploy it the Frameworks are so complicated and it the Frameworks are so complicated and it the Frameworks are so complicated and it changes so fast so it's like where do I changes so fast so it's like where do I changes so fast so it's like where do I start you know and I guess it's the same start you know and I guess it's the same start you know and I guess it's the same thing when you're starting out making thing when you're starting out making thing when you're starting out making websites like how where do you start as websites like how where do you start as websites like how where do you start as gp4 I guess but it yeah it's just so gp4 I guess but it yeah it's just so gp4 I guess but it yeah it's just so Dynamic it changes so fast that I don't Dynamic it changes so fast that I don't Dynamic it changes so fast that I don't know if it would be a good idea for me know if it would be a good idea for me know if it would be a good idea for me to learn it you know um maybe some to learn it you know um maybe some to learn it you know um maybe some combination of like few next with PHP combination of like few next with PHP combination of like few next with PHP laravel laravel is like a framework for laravel laravel is like a framework for laravel laravel is like a framework for PHP I think that would be uh it could PHP I think that would be uh it could PHP I think that would be uh it could benefit me you know maybe Tailwind for benefit me you know maybe Tailwind for benefit me you know maybe Tailwind for CS like a styling engine that that stuff CS like a styling engine that that stuff CS like a styling engine that that stuff could probably save me time yeah but could probably save me time yeah but could probably save me time yeah but like you you won't know until you really like you you won't know until you really like you you won't know until you really give it a try and it feels like you have give it a try and it feels like you have give it a try and it feels like you have to build like if maybe I'm talking to to build like if maybe I'm talking to to build like if maybe I'm talking to myself but like I I should myself but like I I should myself but like I I should probably recode like my personal one probably recode like my personal one probably recode like my personal one page in laral or yeah and even though it page in laral or yeah and even though it page in laral or yeah and even though it might not have almost any Dynamic might not have almost any Dynamic might not have almost any Dynamic elements maybe have one Dynamic element elements maybe have one Dynamic element elements maybe have one Dynamic element but it has to go end to end in that

but it has to go end to end in that but it has to go end to end in that framework or like end to end build it in framework or like end to end build it in framework or like end to end build it in node.js some of it is I don't figuring node.js some of it is I don't figuring node.js some of it is I don't figuring out how to you even deploy the thing out how to you even deploy the thing out how to you even deploy the thing have no idea all I know is right now I have no idea all I know is right now I have no idea all I know is right now I would send it to GitHub and it sends it would send it to GitHub and it sends it would send it to GitHub and it sends it to my server I don't know how to get to my server I don't know how to get to my server I don't know how to get JavaScript running I have no clue yeah JavaScript running I have no clue yeah JavaScript running I have no clue yeah so I guess I need like a a pass like a so I guess I need like a a pass like a so I guess I need like a a pass like a like versal right or uh you know Heroku like versal right or uh you know Heroku like versal right or uh you know Heroku kind of those kind of platforms I kind of those kind of platforms I kind of those kind of platforms I actually kind of just my gave myself the actually kind of just my gave myself the actually kind of just my gave myself the idea of like I kind of just want to idea of like I kind of just want to idea of like I kind of just want to build a single web page like one web build a single web page like one web build a single web page like one web page that has like one Dynamic element page that has like one Dynamic element page that has like one Dynamic element and just do it in every single like in a and just do it in every single like in a and just do it in every single like in a lot of Frameworks like just ah on the lot of Frameworks like just ah on the lot of Frameworks like just ah on the same page same same page kind page same page same same page kind page same page same same page kind page that's a cool prodct like learn all that's a cool prodct like learn all that's a cool prodct like learn all these Frameworks and you can see the these Frameworks and you can see the these Frameworks and you can see the differences yeah that's interesting how differences yeah that's interesting how differences yeah that's interesting how long it takes to do it yeah stopwatch I long it takes to do it yeah stopwatch I long it takes to do it yeah stopwatch I have to figure out actually something have to figure out actually something have to figure out actually something sufficiently complicated because it sufficiently complicated because it sufficiently complicated because it should probably do it should probably do should probably do it should probably do should probably do it should probably do some kind of some kind of some kind of thing where it accesses the database and thing where it accesses the database and thing where it accesses the database and dynamically is changing stuff some AI dynamically is changing stuff some AI dynamically is changing stuff some AI stuff some llm stuff yeah maybe some it stuff some llm stuff yeah maybe some it stuff some llm stuff yeah maybe some it doesn't have to be doesn't have to be doesn't have to be aii call Api call to something to to aii call Api call to something to to aii call Api call to something to to replicate for example and then you have replicate for example and then you have replicate for example and then you have yeah that would be a very cool project yeah that would be a very cool project yeah that would be a very cool project yeah yeah and like time it and also yeah yeah and like time it and also yeah yeah and like time it and also report on my happiness yeah I'm going to report on my happiness yeah I'm going to report on my happiness yeah I'm going to totally do this cuz nobody benchmarks totally do this cuz nobody benchmarks totally do this cuz nobody benchmarks this nobody's Benchmark happy developer this nobody's Benchmark happy developer this nobody's Benchmark happy developer happiness with Frameworks yeah nobody's happiness with Frameworks yeah nobody's happiness with Frameworks yeah nobody's benchmarked the shipping time just take benchmarked the shipping time just take benchmarked the shipping time just take like a month do this how many Frameworks like a month do this how many Frameworks like a month do this how many Frameworks are there there's how many how many

are there there's how many how many are there there's how many how many there there's like five main ways of there there's like five main ways of there there's like five main ways of doing it so there's like this is no doing it so there's like this is no doing it so there's like this is no there's back end front end and this there's back end front end and this there's back end front end and this stuff confused me too like react now stuff confused me too like react now stuff confused me too like react now apparently has become back end yeah or apparently has become back end yeah or apparently has become back end yeah or something used to be only front end and something used to be only front end and something used to be only front end and you're forced to do now backend also I you're forced to do now backend also I you're forced to do now backend also I don't know and then but there's not don't know and then but there's not don't know and then but there's not really you're not really forced to do really you're not really forced to do really you're not really forced to do anything so like B according to the anything so like B according to the anything so like B according to the Internet so like there's no um it's Internet so like there's no um it's Internet so like there's no um it's actually not trivial to find the canical actually not trivial to find the canical actually not trivial to find the canical way of doing things so like the standard way of doing things so like the standard way of doing things so like the standard vanilla like you you go to the ice cream vanilla like you you go to the ice cream vanilla like you you go to the ice cream shop there's like a million flavors I shop there's like a million flavors I shop there's like a million flavors I want vanilla if if I've never had ice want vanilla if if I've never had ice want vanilla if if I've never had ice cream in my life can we just like learn cream in my life can we just like learn cream in my life can we just like learn about ice cream yeah I want vanilla about ice cream yeah I want vanilla about ice cream yeah I want vanilla nobody actually sometimes they'll nobody actually sometimes they'll nobody actually sometimes they'll literally name it vanilla but like I literally name it vanilla but like I literally name it vanilla but like I want to know what's the basic way but want to know what's the basic way but want to know what's the basic way but not like dumb but like the standard not like dumb but like the standard not like dumb but like the standard canonical want to know the dominant way canonical want to know the dominant way canonical want to know the dominant way like 60% of developers do it like this like 60% of developers do it like this like 60% of developers do it like this it's hard to figure that out you know it's hard to figure that out you know it's hard to figure that out you know that's the problem yeah maybe LMS can that's the problem yeah maybe LMS can that's the problem yeah maybe LMS can help maybe you should explicitly ask help maybe you should explicitly ask help maybe you should explicitly ask what is the dominant they usually know what is the dominant they usually know what is the dominant they usually know like the dominant you know they they like the dominant you know they they like the dominant you know they they they give answers that are like the most they give answers that are like the most they give answers that are like the most probable kind of yeah so that makes probable kind of yeah so that makes probable kind of yeah so that makes sense to ask them and not I think sense to ask them and not I think sense to ask them and not I think honestly maybe it would help is if if honestly maybe it would help is if if honestly maybe it would help is if if you want to learn or I would want to you want to learn or I would want to you want to learn or I would want to learn like a framework hire somebody learn like a framework hire somebody learn like a framework hire somebody that already does it and just sit with that already does it and just sit with that already does it and just sit with them and make something together like them and make something together like them and make something together like I've never done that but I thought about I've never done that but I thought about I've never done that but I thought about it that would be a very fast way to you it that would be a very fast way to you it that would be a very fast way to you know take their knowledge know take their knowledge know take their knowledge Tred these kinds of things what happens Tred these kinds of things what happens Tred these kinds of things what happens is depends what kind of if they're like

is depends what kind of if they're like is depends what kind of if they're like a worldclass developer yes often times a worldclass developer yes often times a worldclass developer yes often times they themselves are used to that thing they themselves are used to that thing they themselves are used to that thing and they have not themselves explored in and they have not themselves explored in and they have not themselves explored in other options so they have this dogmatic other options so they have this dogmatic other options so they have this dogmatic like talking down to you like this is like talking down to you like this is like talking down to you like this is the right way to do it it's like no no the right way to do it it's like no no the right way to do it it's like no no no we're just like exploring together no we're just like exploring together no we're just like exploring together okay show me the cool thing you've okay show me the cool thing you've okay show me the cool thing you've tried which is like it has to have U tried which is like it has to have U tried which is like it has to have U open-mindedness to like you know node.js open-mindedness to like you know node.js open-mindedness to like you know node.js is not the right way to do web is not the right way to do web is not the right way to do web development it's like one way and development it's like one way and development it's like one way and there's nothing wrong with the the old there's nothing wrong with the the old there's nothing wrong with the the old lamp PHP jQuery vanilla JavaScript way lamp PHP jQuery vanilla JavaScript way lamp PHP jQuery vanilla JavaScript way it just has its pros and cons and like it just has its pros and cons and like it just has its pros and cons and like you need to know what those people exist you need to know what those people exist you need to know what those people exist you could find those people probably you could find those people probably you could find those people probably yeah like if you want to learn AI yeah like if you want to learn AI yeah like if you want to learn AI imagine you have karpati sitting next to imagine you have karpati sitting next to imagine you have karpati sitting next to you teach you L like he does his YouTube you teach you L like he does his YouTube you teach you L like he does his YouTube videos is amazing he can teach it to videos is amazing he can teach it to videos is amazing he can teach it to like a 5-year-old about how how to make like a 5-year-old about how how to make like a 5-year-old about how how to make llm it's amazing like imagine this guy llm it's amazing like imagine this guy llm it's amazing like imagine this guy sitting next to you and just teaching sitting next to you and just teaching sitting next to you and just teaching you like let's make LM together like you like let's make LM together like you like let's make LM together like holy shit it would be amazing yeah I holy shit it would be amazing yeah I holy shit it would be amazing yeah I mean well mean well mean well Kath has its own style and his like I'm Kath has its own style and his like I'm Kath has its own style and his like I'm not sure he he's for everybody but for not sure he he's for everybody but for not sure he he's for everybody but for example 5-year-old it depends on the example 5-year-old it depends on the example 5-year-old it depends on the 5-year-old yeah but he's like super 5-year-old yeah but he's like super 5-year-old yeah but he's like super technical but he's amazing because he's technical but he's amazing because he's technical but he's amazing because he's super technical and he's the only one super technical and he's the only one super technical and he's the only one who can explain stuff in a simple way who can explain stuff in a simple way who can explain stuff in a simple way which shows his complete genius yes which shows his complete genius yes which shows his complete genius yes because if you can explain without because if you can explain without because if you can explain without jargon you're like wow and build it from jargon you're like wow and build it from jargon you're like wow and build it from scratch yeah it's like top tier you know scratch yeah it's like top tier you know scratch yeah it's like top tier you know like what a guy but he might be anti

like what a guy but he might be anti like what a guy but he might be anti framework cuz he buil from Scrat exactly framework cuz he buil from Scrat exactly framework cuz he buil from Scrat exactly yeah actually probably is yeah uh he's yeah actually probably is yeah uh he's yeah actually probably is yeah uh he's like you but for AI yeah so maybe like you but for AI yeah so maybe like you but for AI yeah so maybe learning framework is a is a very bad learning framework is a is a very bad learning framework is a is a very bad idea for us you know maybe we should idea for us you know maybe we should idea for us you know maybe we should stay in PHP and like script Kitty and stay in PHP and like script Kitty and stay in PHP and like script Kitty and the but you have to Maybe by learning the but you have to Maybe by learning the but you have to Maybe by learning the framework you learn what you want to the framework you learn what you want to the framework you learn what you want to yourself build from scratch yeah maybe yourself build from scratch yeah maybe yourself build from scratch yeah maybe you learn Concepts but you don't you learn Concepts but you don't you learn Concepts but you don't actually have to start using it for your actually have to start using it for your actually have to start using it for your life right yeah yeah life right yeah yeah life right yeah yeah and you're still a Mac guy was a Mac guy and you're still a Mac guy was a Mac guy and you're still a Mac guy was a Mac guy yeah yeah I switched to Mac in 2015 yeah yeah I switched to Mac in 2015 yeah yeah I switched to Mac in 2015 because uh it was CU When I wanted to because uh it was CU When I wanted to because uh it was CU When I wanted to start traveling and my brother was like start traveling and my brother was like start traveling and my brother was like dude get a Macbook is like the standard dude get a Macbook is like the standard dude get a Macbook is like the standard now I'm like wow I need to switch from now I'm like wow I need to switch from now I'm like wow I need to switch from Windows and I had like three screens you Windows and I had like three screens you Windows and I had like three screens you know like Windows had this whole setup know like Windows had this whole setup know like Windows had this whole setup for music production I had to sell for music production I had to sell for music production I had to sell everything um and then I had a Macbook everything um and then I had a Macbook everything um and then I had a Macbook and I remember opening up this MacBook and I remember opening up this MacBook and I remember opening up this MacBook box like ah and it was so beautiful it box like ah and it was so beautiful it box like ah and it was so beautiful it was like this aluminum and then I opened was like this aluminum and then I opened was like this aluminum and then I opened it I removed the you know the screen it I removed the you know the screen it I removed the you know the screen protector thing mhm it's so beautiful protector thing mhm it's so beautiful protector thing mhm it's so beautiful and I didn't touch it for three days I and I didn't touch it for three days I and I didn't touch it for three days I was just like looking at it really and I was just like looking at it really and I was just like looking at it really and I was still on the Windows computer and was still on the Windows computer and was still on the Windows computer and then I went traveling with that so I and then I went traveling with that so I and then I went traveling with that so I and all my great things started when I all my great things started when I all my great things started when I switched to MEC which sounds very switched to MEC which sounds very switched to MEC which sounds very dogmatic right but what great things are dogmatic right but what great things are dogmatic right but what great things are you talking about all the business you talking about all the business you talking about all the business started working out like I started started working out like I started started working out like I started traveling I started building startups I traveling I started building startups I traveling I started building startups I started making money it all started when started making money it all started when started making money it all started when I switched to Mech listen I I kind I switched to Mech listen I I kind I switched to Mech listen I I kind of you're making me want to switch to of you're making me want to switch to of you're making me want to switch to Mac so I use either use Linux inside Mac so I use either use Linux inside Mac so I use either use Linux inside windows with w SL or just UB ontu Linux windows with w SL or just UB ontu Linux windows with w SL or just UB ontu Linux but windows for most stuff like editing but windows for most stuff like editing but windows for most stuff like editing or any like uh

or any like uh or any like uh any yeah yeah well you could use I guess any yeah yeah well you could use I guess any yeah yeah well you could use I guess you could do Mac stuff there I wonder if you could do Mac stuff there I wonder if you could do Mac stuff there I wonder if I should switch what do you miss about I should switch what do you miss about I should switch what do you miss about Windows what was the pros and cons I Windows what was the pros and cons I Windows what was the pros and cons I think the finder is horrible MEC like think the finder is horrible MEC like think the finder is horrible MEC like it's like it's it's the what is horrible it's like it's it's the what is horrible it's like it's it's the what is horrible the finder oh you don't know the so this the finder oh you don't know the so this the finder oh you don't know the so this the Windows Explorer the Windows Explorer the Windows Explorer yeah is amazing finder is strange man yeah is amazing finder is strange man yeah is amazing finder is strange man there like strange things this's this there like strange things this's this there like strange things this's this bug where if you if you send like test bug where if you if you send like test bug where if you if you send like test your photo on WhatsApp or telegram it your photo on WhatsApp or telegram it your photo on WhatsApp or telegram it just selects the whole folder and you just selects the whole folder and you just selects the whole folder and you almost accidentally can click enter and almost accidentally can click enter and almost accidentally can click enter and you send all your photos all your files you send all your photos all your files you send all your photos all your files to this chat group have it to my to this chat group have it to my to this chat group have it to my girlfriend she starts sending me photo girlfriend she starts sending me photo girlfriend she starts sending me photo photo photo photo photo so F finder is photo photo photo photo so F finder is photo photo photo photo so F finder is very unusable but it has Linux like the very unusable but it has Linux like the very unusable but it has Linux like the whole thing is like it's Unix based whole thing is like it's Unix based whole thing is like it's Unix based right so you use the command line like right so you use the command line like right so you use the command line like yeah all the time like all the time and yeah all the time like all the time and yeah all the time like all the time and the cool thing is you can run I think the cool thing is you can run I think the cool thing is you can run I think it's like Unix like Debian or whatever it's like Unix like Debian or whatever it's like Unix like Debian or whatever you can run most Linux stuff on MEC OS you can run most Linux stuff on MEC OS you can run most Linux stuff on MEC OS which makes it very very good for which makes it very very good for which makes it very very good for development like I have my engine X development like I have my engine X development like I have my engine X server you know if I set if I'm not lazy server you know if I set if I'm not lazy server you know if I set if I'm not lazy and set up my staging on my laptop it's and set up my staging on my laptop it's and set up my staging on my laptop it's just the engine X server the same as I just the engine X server the same as I just the engine X server the same as I have on my Cloud Server right the same have on my Cloud Server right the same have on my Cloud Server right the same where the websites run and I can use where the websites run and I can use where the websites run and I can use almost everything the same config files almost everything the same config files almost everything the same config files configuration files and it just works configuration files and it just works configuration files and it just works and that makes Mac a very good platform and that makes Mac a very good platform and that makes Mac a very good platform for Linux stuff I for Linux stuff I for Linux stuff I think yeah yeah real Ubuntu is like think yeah yeah real Ubuntu is like think yeah yeah real Ubuntu is like better of course but yeah I'm in this better of course but yeah I'm in this better of course but yeah I'm in this weird situation where weird situation where weird situation where I'm somewhat of a power user in Windows I'm somewhat of a power user in Windows I'm somewhat of a power user in Windows and let's say Android and all the much

and let's say Android and all the much and let's say Android and all the much smarter friends I have all using Mac and smarter friends I have all using Mac and smarter friends I have all using Mac and iPhone and it's like but you don't want iPhone and it's like but you don't want iPhone and it's like but you don't want to go through the peer pressure you know to go through the peer pressure you know to go through the peer pressure you know it's not peer pressure it's it's not peer pressure it's it's not peer pressure it's like like one of the reasons I want to like like one of the reasons I want to like like one of the reasons I want to have kids is that there's a lot of like have kids is that there's a lot of like have kids is that there's a lot of like I I would love to have kids as a base as I I would love to have kids as a base as I I would love to have kids as a base as a baseline but you know there's like a a baseline but you know there's like a a baseline but you know there's like a concern maybe there's going to be a concern maybe there's going to be a concern maybe there's going to be a tradeoff for all this kind of stuff but tradeoff for all this kind of stuff but tradeoff for all this kind of stuff but you see like these extremely successful you see like these extremely successful you see like these extremely successful smart people who are friends of mine who smart people who are friends of mine who smart people who are friends of mine who have kids and are really happy they have have kids and are really happy they have have kids and are really happy they have kids so that's that's not peer pressure kids so that's that's not peer pressure kids so that's that's not peer pressure that's just like a strong signal works that's just like a strong signal works that's just like a strong signal works for people it works for people and the for people it works for people and the for people it works for people and the same thing with Mac it's like same thing with Mac it's like same thing with Mac it's like yeah like the the fun like I don't see yeah like the the fun like I don't see yeah like the the fun like I don't see fundamentally I don't like closed fundamentally I don't like closed fundamentally I don't like closed systems so like fundamentally I like systems so like fundamentally I like systems so like fundamentally I like Windows more because there there's much Windows more because there there's much Windows more because there there's much more freedom same with Android there's more freedom same with Android there's more freedom same with Android there's much more freedom it's much more much more freedom it's much more much more freedom it's much more customizable but like all the the cool customizable but like all the the cool customizable but like all the the cool kids the smart kids are using Mac and kids the smart kids are using Mac and kids the smart kids are using Mac and iPhone it's like all right I need to iPhone it's like all right I need to iPhone it's like all right I need to really I need to give it a real chance really I need to give it a real chance really I need to give it a real chance especially for development since more especially for development since more especially for development since more and more stuff is done in the cloud and more stuff is done in the cloud and more stuff is done in the cloud anyway yeah well anyway uh but it's anyway yeah well anyway uh but it's anyway yeah well anyway uh but it's funny to hear you say all the good stuff funny to hear you say all the good stuff funny to hear you say all the good stuff started happening maybe I'll be like started happening maybe I'll be like started happening maybe I'll be like that guy too when I switch to Mac all that guy too when I switch to Mac all that guy too when I switch to Mac all the good stuff started happening I think the good stuff started happening I think the good stuff started happening I think it's just about the hardware it's not so it's just about the hardware it's not so it's just about the hardware it's not so much about the software the hardware so much about the software the hardware so much about the software the hardware so well builds right the keyboard and yeah well builds right the keyboard and yeah well builds right the keyboard and yeah but look at the keyboard I use so that but look at the keyboard I use so that but look at the keyboard I use so that is pretty cool is pretty cool is pretty cool that's one word for it uh what's your that's one word for it uh what's your that's one word for it uh what's your favorite place to work uh on the couch favorite place to work uh on the couch favorite place to work uh on the couch does the couch matter is the couch at does the couch matter is the couch at does the couch matter is the couch at home or is it any couch no any like

home or is it any couch no any like home or is it any couch no any like Hotel couch also like in the room right Hotel couch also like in the room right Hotel couch also like in the room right in yeah but I used to work like very in yeah but I used to work like very in yeah but I used to work like very ergonomically with like a standing desk ergonomically with like a standing desk ergonomically with like a standing desk yeah and everything like perfect like yeah and everything like perfect like yeah and everything like perfect like eye height screen blah blah blah and I eye height screen blah blah blah and I eye height screen blah blah blah and I felt like man this has to do with felt like man this has to do with felt like man this has to do with lifting too I started getting RSI like lifting too I started getting RSI like lifting too I started getting RSI like uh repetitive strain injury like uh repetitive strain injury like uh repetitive strain injury like tingling stuff and it would go all the tingling stuff and it would go all the tingling stuff and it would go all the way on my back and I was sitting in a way on my back and I was sitting in a way on my back and I was sitting in a co-working space like 6:00 a.m. sun co-working space like 6:00 a.m. sun co-working space like 6:00 a.m. sun comes up and I'm working and I'm coding comes up and I'm working and I'm coding comes up and I'm working and I'm coding and I hear like a sound or something so and I hear like a sound or something so and I hear like a sound or something so I do like I look left and my neck get I do like I look left and my neck get I do like I look left and my neck get stuck like and I'm like wow fuck and stuck like and I'm like wow fuck and stuck like and I'm like wow fuck and um I'm like what's am I dying you know um I'm like what's am I dying you know um I'm like what's am I dying you know and I thought I'm probably dying so I and I thought I'm probably dying so I and I thought I'm probably dying so I don't want to die in a cing space I'm don't want to die in a cing space I'm don't want to die in a cing space I'm going to go home and die in like you going to go home and die in like you going to go home and die in like you know peace and honor yeah so I close my know peace and honor yeah so I close my know peace and honor yeah so I close my laptop and I put it in my backpack and I laptop and I put it in my backpack and I laptop and I put it in my backpack and I walked to the to the street and got on walked to the to the street and got on walked to the to the street and got on my motorbike went home um and I lie down my motorbike went home um and I lie down my motorbike went home um and I lie down on like a a pillow like with my legs up on like a a pillow like with my legs up on like a a pillow like with my legs up and stuff uh to get rid of this like and stuff uh to get rid of this like and stuff uh to get rid of this like because it was my whole back and it was because it was my whole back and it was because it was my whole back and it was because I was working like this all the because I was working like this all the because I was working like this all the time yeah so um I started getting like a time yeah so um I started getting like a time yeah so um I started getting like a a laptop stand everything ergonomically a laptop stand everything ergonomically a laptop stand everything ergonomically correct but then I started lifting and correct but then I started lifting and correct but then I started lifting and since then like it seems like uh since then like it seems like uh since then like it seems like uh everything gets straightened out your everything gets straightened out your everything gets straightened out your posture kind of you're more straight and posture kind of you're more straight and posture kind of you're more straight and I never have RS RSI anymore rep injury I I never have RS RSI anymore rep injury I I never have RS RSI anymore rep injury I never have tingling anymore uh no pain never have tingling anymore uh no pain never have tingling anymore uh no pain and stuff so then I started working on and stuff so then I started working on and stuff so then I started working on the sofa and it's great like it it feels the sofa and it's great like it it feels the sofa and it's great like it it feels um you're close to the I I sit like I um you're close to the I I sit like I um you're close to the I I sit like I sit like this yeah legs together and

sit like this yeah legs together and sit like this yeah legs together and then a pillow and then a laptop and then then a pillow and then a laptop and then then a pillow and then a laptop and then I work are you like leaning back I'm I work are you like leaning back I'm I work are you like leaning back I'm kind of kind of kind of like together like legs and then where's like together like legs and then where's like together like legs and then where's the mouse using using the No No so every the mouse using using the No No so every the mouse using using the No No so every St bed on the Mac OS on the MacBook I St bed on the Mac OS on the MacBook I St bed on the Mac OS on the MacBook I used to have the Logitech MX Mouse the used to have the Logitech MX Mouse the used to have the Logitech MX Mouse the perfect economic Mouse doing like this perfect economic Mouse doing like this perfect economic Mouse doing like this little with thing one screen one screen little with thing one screen one screen little with thing one screen one screen and I used to have three screens so I and I used to have three screens so I and I used to have three screens so I come from the I know where people come come from the I know where people come come from the I know where people come from I I had I had all the stuff but from I I had I had all the stuff but from I I had I had all the stuff but then I realized that having it all then I realized that having it all then I realized that having it all condensed in one laptop it's a 16-inch condensed in one laptop it's a 16-inch condensed in one laptop it's a 16-inch Macbook so it's quite big but having it Macbook so it's quite big but having it Macbook so it's quite big but having it all there is amazing because you're so all there is amazing because you're so all there is amazing because you're so close to the tools you're so close to close to the tools you're so close to close to the tools you're so close to what's happening you know it's like what's happening you know it's like what's happening you know it's like working on the car or something it's working on the car or something it's working on the car or something it's like so um like man if you have Tre skin like so um like man if you have Tre skin like so um like man if you have Tre skin you look here look there you get also you look here look there you get also you look here look there you get also neck injury actually so it's well I neck injury actually so it's well I neck injury actually so it's well I don't know this this sounds like you're don't know this this sounds like you're don't know this this sounds like you're part of a cult and you're just trying to part of a cult and you're just trying to part of a cult and you're just trying to convince me but uh I mean but it's good convince me but uh I mean but it's good convince me but uh I mean but it's good to hear that you can be ultra productive to hear that you can be ultra productive to hear that you can be ultra productive on a single screen that's I me that's on a single screen that's I me that's on a single screen that's I me that's crazy command tap you alt up like when crazy command tap you alt up like when crazy command tap you alt up like when is alt up Mac command you switch very is alt up Mac command you switch very is alt up Mac command you switch very fast so you have like one the entire fast so you have like one the entire fast so you have like one the entire screen is taken out by vs code say you screen is taken out by vs code say you screen is taken out by vs code say you look at the code and then yeah and then look at the code and then yeah and then look at the code and then yeah and then like if you deploy like a website you like if you deploy like a website you like if you deploy like a website you what switch screens mon to Chrome I used what switch screens mon to Chrome I used what switch screens mon to Chrome I used to have this swipe screen you know you to have this swipe screen you know you to have this swipe screen you know you could do like um different screen spaces could do like um different screen spaces could do like um different screen spaces yeah I was like it's too difficult let's yeah I was like it's too difficult let's yeah I was like it's too difficult let's just put it on one screen on the MacBook just put it on one screen on the MacBook just put it on one screen on the MacBook and then and he can be productive that and then and he can be productive that and then and he can be productive that way yeah very productive yeah more way yeah very productive yeah more way yeah very productive yeah more productive than before interesting productive than before interesting productive than before interesting because I have I have three screens and because I have I have three screens and because I have I have three screens and two of them are vertical like the size

two of them are vertical like the size two of them are vertical like the size code right yeah for code you can see a code right yeah for code you can see a code right yeah for code you can see a lot no man I love it like I'm I love lot no man I love it like I'm I love lot no man I love it like I'm I love seeing it with friends like they have seeing it with friends like they have seeing it with friends like they have amazing like Battle Stations right it's amazing like Battle Stations right it's amazing like Battle Stations right it's called It's amazing I want it but I called It's amazing I want it but I called It's amazing I want it but I don't want it right like do you like the don't want it right like do you like the don't want it right like do you like the constraints there's that's it there's constraints there's that's it there's constraints there's that's it there's some aspect of the constraints which some aspect of the constraints which some aspect of the constraints which like once get good at it you can focus like once get good at it you can focus like once get good at it you can focus your mind and you can man I'm suspicious your mind and you can man I'm suspicious your mind and you can man I'm suspicious of like more you know yeah you really of like more you know yeah you really of like more you know yeah you really need all the stuff like it might Slow Me need all the stuff like it might Slow Me need all the stuff like it might Slow Me Down actually it's a good way to put it Down actually it's a good way to put it Down actually it's a good way to put it I'm suspicious of more me too I'm I'm suspicious of more me too I'm I'm suspicious of more me too I'm suspicious of more in all in all ways in suspicious of more in all in all ways in suspicious of more in all in all ways in all because you can defend more right all because you can defend more right all because you can defend more right you can defend yeah I'm a developer I you can defend yeah I'm a developer I you can defend yeah I'm a developer I make money I need to I need to get more make money I need to I need to get more make money I need to I need to get more screens right I need to be more screens right I need to be more screens right I need to be more efficient and then you read stuff about efficient and then you read stuff about efficient and then you read stuff about like mythical man month where like like mythical man month where like like mythical man month where like hiring more people slows down a software hiring more people slows down a software hiring more people slows down a software project project that's famous I think project project that's famous I think project project that's famous I think you can use that metaphor maybe for you you can use that metaphor maybe for you you can use that metaphor maybe for you know tools as well then I see friends know tools as well then I see friends know tools as well then I see friends just with gear acquisition syndrome just with gear acquisition syndrome just with gear acquisition syndrome buying so much stuff but they're not buying so much stuff but they're not buying so much stuff but they're not that productive they have the best be that productive they have the best be that productive they have the best be most beautiful Battle Stations desktops most beautiful Battle Stations desktops most beautiful Battle Stations desktops everything they're not that productive everything they're not that productive everything they're not that productive and it's also like kind of fun like it's and it's also like kind of fun like it's and it's also like kind of fun like it's all from my laptop in a backpack right all from my laptop in a backpack right all from my laptop in a backpack right it's kind of noat minimalist take me it's kind of noat minimalist take me it's kind of noat minimalist take me through like the perfect ultr productive through like the perfect ultr productive through like the perfect ultr productive day in your day in your day in your life like say like where you get a lot life like say like where you get a lot life like say like where you get a lot of shit done yeah are you uh and it's of shit done yeah are you uh and it's of shit done yeah are you uh and it's all focused on getting shit done what all focused on getting shit done what all focused on getting shit done what what when are you waking up is it a what when are you waking up is it a what when are you waking up is it a regular time super early super late so I regular time super early super late so I regular time super early super late so I go to sleep like 2: am. usually go to sleep like 2: am. usually go to sleep like 2: am. usually something like that and uh before 4: something like that and uh before 4: something like that and uh before 4: a.m. uh but my girlfriend would go sleep a.m. uh but my girlfriend would go sleep a.m. uh but my girlfriend would go sleep midnight so we did a compromise like 2: midnight so we did a compromise like 2: midnight so we did a compromise like 2: a.m. you know MH so I wake up around 10

a.m. you know MH so I wake up around 10 a.m. you know MH so I wake up around 10 11 then more like 10: um shower make 11 then more like 10: um shower make 11 then more like 10: um shower make coffee I make coffee like drip coffee coffee I make coffee like drip coffee coffee I make coffee like drip coffee like the V60 you know the filter and I like the V60 you know the filter and I like the V60 you know the filter and I boil water and I put the coffee in um boil water and I put the coffee in um boil water and I put the coffee in um and then chill a little with my and then chill a little with my and then chill a little with my girlfriend and then open laptop start girlfriend and then open laptop start girlfriend and then open laptop start coding check what's going on like bugs coding check what's going on like bugs coding check what's going on like bugs or whatever how long how long are you or whatever how long how long are you or whatever how long how long are you like how stretches of time are you able like how stretches of time are you able like how stretches of time are you able to just sit behind the computer coding to just sit behind the computer coding to just sit behind the computer coding so I used to need like really long so I used to need like really long so I used to need like really long stretches where I would do like all stretches where I would do like all stretches where I would do like all nighters and stuff to get shit done but nighters and stuff to get shit done but nighters and stuff to get shit done but I've gotten trained to like have more I've gotten trained to like have more I've gotten trained to like have more interruptions where I can like cuz you interruptions where I can like cuz you interruptions where I can like cuz you have to this life like there's a lot of have to this life like there's a lot of have to this life like there's a lot of distractions like like your girlfriend distractions like like your girlfriend distractions like like your girlfriend asked off people come over whatever yeah asked off people come over whatever yeah asked off people come over whatever yeah um so I'm very fast now I can lock in um so I'm very fast now I can lock in um so I'm very fast now I can lock in and lock out quite fast and I heard and lock out quite fast and I heard and lock out quite fast and I heard people developers or entrepreneurs with people developers or entrepreneurs with people developers or entrepreneurs with kids have the same thing like before kids have the same thing like before kids have the same thing like before they're like ah I cannot work but they they're like ah I cannot work but they they're like ah I cannot work but they get used to it and they get really get used to it and they get really get used to it and they get really productive in like short time because productive in like short time because productive in like short time because they only have like 20 minutes and then they only have like 20 minutes and then they only have like 20 minutes and then shit goes crazy again so another shit goes crazy again so another shit goes crazy again so another constraint right yeah it's funny so constraint right yeah it's funny so constraint right yeah it's funny so think that works for me um yeah and then think that works for me um yeah and then think that works for me um yeah and then you know cook food and stuff like have you know cook food and stuff like have you know cook food and stuff like have lunch steak and chicken and eat a bunch lunch steak and chicken and eat a bunch lunch steak and chicken and eat a bunch of times a day so you say coffee what of times a day so you say coffee what of times a day so you say coffee what are you doing yeah so a few hours later are you doing yeah so a few hours later are you doing yeah so a few hours later cook foods we get like locally soures cook foods we get like locally soures cook foods we get like locally soures like meat and stuff and vegetables and like meat and stuff and vegetables and like meat and stuff and vegetables and cook that uh and then second coffee and cook that uh and then second coffee and cook that uh and then second coffee and then coat some more maybe go outside for then coat some more maybe go outside for then coat some more maybe go outside for lunch like you can you can mix fun stuff lunch like you can you can mix fun stuff lunch like you can you can mix fun stuff you know how many hours are you say in a you know how many hours are you say in a you know how many hours are you say in a perfectly productive day are you doing perfectly productive day are you doing perfectly productive day are you doing programming like if you were like to programming like if you were like to programming like if you were like to kill it are you doing like all day

kill it are you doing like all day kill it are you doing like all day basically you mean like the special days basically you mean like the special days basically you mean like the special days where like girlfriend leaves to like where like girlfriend leaves to like where like girlfriend leaves to like Paris or something and you're alone for Paris or something and you're alone for Paris or something and you're alone for a week at home which is amazing you can a week at home which is amazing you can a week at home which is amazing you can just coat it's like and you stay up all just coat it's like and you stay up all just coat it's like and you stay up all night and eat chocolate and yeah night and eat chocolate and yeah night and eat chocolate and yeah chocolate yeah you know okay okay let's chocolate yeah you know okay okay let's chocolate yeah you know okay okay let's remove girlfriend from picture social remove girlfriend from picture social remove girlfriend from picture social life from picture it's just you man that life from picture it's just you man that life from picture it's just you man that shit goes crazy like cuz when shit goes shit goes crazy like cuz when shit goes shit goes crazy like cuz when shit goes now she goes crazy okay okay so sh you now she goes crazy okay okay so sh you now she goes crazy okay okay so sh you let's let's rewind are you still waking let's let's rewind are you still waking let's let's rewind are you still waking up there's coffee there's no girlfriend up there's coffee there's no girlfriend up there's coffee there's no girlfriend to talk to there's now we wake to talk to there's now we wake to talk to there's now we wake up like 1: p.m. at 2 up like 1: p.m. at 2 up like 1: p.m. at 2 p.m. cuz you went to bed at 6 a.m. yeah p.m. cuz you went to bed at 6 a.m. yeah p.m. cuz you went to bed at 6 a.m. yeah cuz I was coding I was finding some new cuz I was coding I was finding some new cuz I was coding I was finding some new AI shit and I was studying it and it was AI shit and I was studying it and it was AI shit and I was studying it and it was amazing and I cannot sleep because it's amazing and I cannot sleep because it's amazing and I cannot sleep because it's too important we need to stay awake we too important we need to stay awake we too important we need to stay awake we need to see all of this we need to make need to see all of this we need to make need to see all of this we need to make something now and but that's the times I something now and but that's the times I something now and but that's the times I do make like new stuff more so I think I do make like new stuff more so I think I do make like new stuff more so I think I have a friend he actually books a hotel have a friend he actually books a hotel have a friend he actually books a hotel for like a week to like leave his and he for like a week to like leave his and he for like a week to like leave his and he has a kid too and his girlfriend and his has a kid too and his girlfriend and his has a kid too and his girlfriend and his kid stay in the house and he goes to kid stay in the house and he goes to kid stay in the house and he goes to another hotel sounds a little suspicious another hotel sounds a little suspicious another hotel sounds a little suspicious right going to the hotel but all he does right going to the hotel but all he does right going to the hotel but all he does is like writing or coding he's a writer is like writing or coding he's a writer is like writing or coding he's a writer and he needs like this alone time this and he needs like this alone time this and he needs like this alone time this silence and I think for this Flow State silence and I think for this Flow State silence and I think for this Flow State it's true you know I'm better it's true you know I'm better it's true you know I'm better maintaining stuff um when there's a lot maintaining stuff um when there's a lot maintaining stuff um when there's a lot of disruptions than like creating new of disruptions than like creating new of disruptions than like creating new stuff I need this it's common it's flow stuff I need this it's common it's flow stuff I need this it's common it's flow it's this uninterrupted period of time it's this uninterrupted period of time it's this uninterrupted period of time um so yeah I wake up like 1 2 p.m. um um so yeah I wake up like 1 2 p.m. um um so yeah I wake up like 1 2 p.m. um you know still coffee shower we still you know still coffee shower we still you know still coffee shower we still shower you know uh and then this code

shower you know uh and then this code shower you know uh and then this code like nonstop maybe my friend comes over like nonstop maybe my friend comes over like nonstop maybe my friend comes over uh comes over some distraction yeah he uh comes over some distraction yeah he uh comes over some distraction yeah he also Andre codes too so he comes over we also Andre codes too so he comes over we also Andre codes too so he comes over we code together we listen you know it code together we listen you know it code together we listen you know it starts going back to like the Bali days starts going back to like the Bali days starts going back to like the Bali days you know like yeah coor days like you're you know like yeah coor days like you're you know like yeah coor days like you're not really working with him but you're not really working with him but you're not really working with him but you're just both working because it's nice to just both working because it's nice to just both working because it's nice to have like the vibe where you both sit have like the vibe where you both sit have like the vibe where you both sit together on the couch and coding on together on the couch and coding on together on the couch and coding on something and you actually it's mostly something and you actually it's mostly something and you actually it's mostly silent or there music you know and silent or there music you know and silent or there music you know and sometimes you ask something and but sometimes you ask something and but sometimes you ask something and but generally like you're really locked in generally like you're really locked in generally like you're really locked in and what uh what music are you listening and what uh what music are you listening and what uh what music are you listening to I think like like um techno like to I think like like um techno like to I think like like um techno like YouTube techno um there's a there's a YouTube techno um there's a there's a YouTube techno um there's a there's a channel called h o r with a o Loud Like channel called h o r with a o Loud Like channel called h o r with a o Loud Like H O like double dot it's it's Berlin H O like double dot it's it's Berlin H O like double dot it's it's Berlin techno whatever it looks like it's they techno whatever it looks like it's they techno whatever it looks like it's they film it in like a toilet with like white film it in like a toilet with like white film it in like a toilet with like white tiles and stuff and very cool and they tiles and stuff and very cool and they tiles and stuff and very cool and they always have like very good like kind of always have like very good like kind of always have like very good like kind of industrial like indust so fast kind of industrial like indust so fast kind of industrial like indust so fast kind of aggressive you know aggressive you know aggressive you know like that's not distracting to your like that's not distracting to your like that's not distracting to your brain that's amazing like I think brain that's amazing like I think brain that's amazing like I think distracting man Jazz like I listen distracting man Jazz like I listen distracting man Jazz like I listen coffee Jazz with my girlfriend when I coffee Jazz with my girlfriend when I coffee Jazz with my girlfriend when I wake up and it's kind of like this piano wake up and it's kind of like this piano wake up and it's kind of like this piano starts getting annoying it's starts getting annoying it's starts getting annoying it's like it's too many tones it's like too like it's too many tones it's like too like it's too many tones it's like too many things going on this industrial many things going on this industrial many things going on this industrial techno is like you know this African techno is like you know this African techno is like you know this African like rain dances like rain dances like rain dances like it's this transcendental trans like it's this transcendental trans like it's this transcendental trans that's interesting cuz I I I actually that's interesting cuz I I I actually that's interesting cuz I I I actually mostly now listen to uh Brown noise mostly now listen to uh Brown noise mostly now listen to uh Brown noise noise yeah wow like pretty loud wow and noise yeah wow like pretty loud wow and noise yeah wow like pretty loud wow and one of the things you learn is your one of the things you learn is your one of the things you learn is your brain gets used to whatever so I'm sure brain gets used to whatever so I'm sure brain gets used to whatever so I'm sure to techno if I actually give it a real

to techno if I actually give it a real to techno if I actually give it a real chance yeah my brain would get used to chance yeah my brain would get used to chance yeah my brain would get used to it but like with with noise what happens it but like with with noise what happens it but like with with noise what happens is something happens to your brain I is something happens to your brain I is something happens to your brain I think there's a science to it but I think there's a science to it but I think there's a science to it but I don't really care you just have to be a don't really care you just have to be a don't really care you just have to be a a scientist of one like study yourself a scientist of one like study yourself a scientist of one like study yourself your own brain for me it like it does your own brain for me it like it does your own brain for me it like it does something I discovered it right away something I discovered it right away something I discovered it right away when I tried it for the first when I tried it for the first when I tried it for the first time after about like a couple minutes time after about like a couple minutes time after about like a couple minutes your your your everything every distraction just like everything every distraction just like everything every distraction just like disappears and it goes disappears and it goes disappears and it goes like you can like like you can like like you can like hold focus on things like really well hold focus on things like really well hold focus on things like really well it's weird like you can like really it's weird like you can like really it's weird like you can like really focus on a thing it doesn't really focus on a thing it doesn't really focus on a thing it doesn't really matter what that is I think that's what matter what that is I think that's what matter what that is I think that's what people achieve with like meditation you people achieve with like meditation you people achieve with like meditation you can like like focus on your breath for can like like focus on your breath for can like like focus on your breath for example it's normal Brown It's not like example it's normal Brown It's not like example it's normal Brown It's not like binar no it's just normal binar no it's just normal binar no it's just normal Brown yeah white noise I think it's the Brown yeah white noise I think it's the Brown yeah white noise I think it's the same it's like pink Noise White Noise uh same it's like pink Noise White Noise uh same it's like pink Noise White Noise uh Brown noise I think is when it's like Brown noise I think is when it's like Brown noise I think is when it's like basier like yeah it's more diffused more basier like yeah it's more diffused more basier like yeah it's more diffused more dampened yeah dampened yeah I can see dampened yeah dampened yeah I can see dampened yeah dampened yeah I can see that no sharp yeah sharp brightness yeah that no sharp yeah sharp brightness yeah that no sharp yeah sharp brightness yeah bright yeah I can see that and you use a bright yeah I can see that and you use a bright yeah I can see that and you use a headphone right yeah headphones yeah headphone right yeah headphones yeah headphone right yeah headphones yeah actually like walk around in life often actually like walk around in life often actually like walk around in life often with brown noise dude that's like with brown noise dude that's like with brown noise dude that's like psychopath shit but it's cool you know psychopath shit but it's cool you know psychopath shit but it's cool you know yeah yeah yeah when I murder people it yeah yeah yeah when I murder people it yeah yeah yeah when I murder people it helps it it drowns out their screams helps it it drowns out their screams helps it it drowns out their screams Jesus Christ sorry I said too much no Jesus Christ sorry I said too much no Jesus Christ sorry I said too much no I'm going to try Brown noise with the I'm going to try Brown noise with the I'm going to try Brown noise with the murder or for the coding yeah for the murder or for the coding yeah for the murder or for the coding yeah for the coding yeah okay good uh try it try it

coding yeah okay good uh try it try it coding yeah okay good uh try it try it but you have to like with everything but you have to like with everything but you have to like with everything else you give it a real chance yeah I else you give it a real chance yeah I else you give it a real chance yeah I find I also like I said do uh techno find I also like I said do uh techno find I also like I said do uh techno type stuff electronic music on top of type stuff electronic music on top of type stuff electronic music on top of the brown the brown the brown noise uh but then control the speed cuz noise uh but then control the speed cuz noise uh but then control the speed cuz the faster goes and more anxiety so if I the faster goes and more anxiety so if I the faster goes and more anxiety so if I really need to get shit done especially really need to get shit done especially really need to get shit done especially with programming I'll have a beat yeah with programming I'll have a beat yeah with programming I'll have a beat yeah and it's great it's cool I say it's cool and it's great it's cool I say it's cool and it's great it's cool I say it's cool to play those little tricks with your to play those little tricks with your to play those little tricks with your mind to study yourself yeah I usually mind to study yourself yeah I usually mind to study yourself yeah I usually don't like to have people around because don't like to have people around because don't like to have people around because when people even if they're working I when people even if they're working I when people even if they're working I don't know I like people too much don't know I like people too much don't know I like people too much they're like interesting no that's my they're like interesting no that's my they're like interesting no that's my yeah in coworkers space I would just yeah in coworkers space I would just yeah in coworkers space I would just start too much yeah yeah so there's a start too much yeah yeah so there's a start too much yeah yeah so there's a source of distraction yeah we would do source of distraction yeah we would do source of distraction yeah we would do in the cob space we would do like a a in the cob space we would do like a a in the cob space we would do like a a money like pot like a mug so if you money like pot like a mug so if you money like pot like a mug so if you would we would work for 45 minutes and would we would work for 45 minutes and would we would work for 45 minutes and then if you would say one like per word then if you would say one like per word then if you would say one like per word you would get a fine which is like $1 so you would get a fine which is like $1 so you would get a fine which is like $1 so you'd put $1 to say hey what's up so you'd put $1 to say hey what's up so you'd put $1 to say hey what's up so three $3 you put in the mug um and then three $3 you put in the mug um and then three $3 you put in the mug um and then 10 15 minutes free time like we can like 10 15 minutes free time like we can like 10 15 minutes free time like we can like party whatever and then 45 minutes again party whatever and then 45 minutes again party whatever and then 45 minutes again I'm working and that worked but you need I'm working and that worked but you need I'm working and that worked but you need to shut people up where they you know I to shut people up where they you know I to shut people up where they you know I think there's um think there's um think there's um there's an there's an there's an intimacy in being silent together that I intimacy in being silent together that I intimacy in being silent together that I might maybe I'm uncomfortable with like might maybe I'm uncomfortable with like might maybe I'm uncomfortable with like but you if you need to make yourself but you if you need to make yourself but you if you need to make yourself vulnerable and actually do it like with vulnerable and actually do it like with vulnerable and actually do it like with with close friends to just sit there and with close friends to just sit there and with close friends to just sit there and silence for long periods of time and silence for long periods of time and silence for long periods of time and like doing a thing dude I watched this like doing a thing dude I watched this like doing a thing dude I watched this um this video of this podcast it was um this video of this podcast it was um this video of this podcast it was like this Buddhism podcast with people

like this Buddhism podcast with people like this Buddhism podcast with people meditating and they were interviewing meditating and they were interviewing meditating and they were interviewing each other or whatever and like a each other or whatever and like a each other or whatever and like a podcast and suddenly after a question podcast and suddenly after a question podcast and suddenly after a question it's like yeah yeah and they were just silent for like yeah and they were just silent for like three minutes and then they said that three minutes and then they said that three minutes and then they said that was amazing yeah that was amazing I was was amazing yeah that was amazing I was was amazing yeah that was amazing I was like Wow pretty cool you know elon's like Wow pretty cool you know elon's like Wow pretty cool you know elon's like like like that and I I really like that when that and I I really like that when that and I I really like that when you'll ask a you'll ask a you'll ask a question like uh I don't know what's a question like uh I don't know what's a question like uh I don't know what's a perfectly productive day for you like I perfectly productive day for you like I perfectly productive day for you like I I just asked and you just sit there for I just asked and you just sit there for I just asked and you just sit there for like 30 seconds thinking yeah he thinks yeah I don't know that's so cool thinks yeah I don't know that's so cool I wish I was I wish I was I wish I was was I wish I could think more about but was I wish I could think more about but was I wish I could think more about but I want to like I want to show you my I want to like I want to show you my I want to like I want to show you my heart you know I want to show you go heart you know I want to show you go heart you know I want to show you go straight from my heart to my mouth to straight from my heart to my mouth to straight from my heart to my mouth to like saying the real thing and the more like saying the real thing and the more like saying the real thing and the more I think the more I start like filtering I think the more I start like filtering I think the more I start like filtering myself right and I want to just throw it myself right and I want to just throw it myself right and I want to just throw it out there immediately I I do that more out there immediately I I do that more out there immediately I I do that more with Team I think he has a lot of with Team I think he has a lot of with Team I think he has a lot of practice in that I I do that as well in practice in that I I do that as well in practice in that I I do that as well in the team setting when you're thinking the team setting when you're thinking the team setting when you're thinking brainstorming and you allow yourself to brainstorming and you allow yourself to brainstorming and you allow yourself to just like think in silence yeah just just like think in silence yeah just just like think in silence yeah just like because even in meetings people like because even in meetings people like because even in meetings people want to talk want to talk want to talk yeah it's like no you think before you yeah it's like no you think before you yeah it's like no you think before you speak and just like it's okay to be speak and just like it's okay to be speak and just like it's okay to be silent together yeah and if you allow silent together yeah and if you allow silent together yeah and if you allow yourself the room to do that you can yourself the room to do that you can yourself the room to do that you can actually come up with really good ideas actually come up with really good ideas actually come up with really good ideas yeah so okay this perfect yeah so okay this perfect yeah so okay this perfect day how much caffeine are you consuming day how much caffeine are you consuming day how much caffeine are you consuming in this day man too much right cuz uh in this day man too much right cuz uh in this day man too much right cuz uh normally like two two cups of coffee but normally like two two cups of coffee but normally like two two cups of coffee but on this perfect day like we go to like on this perfect day like we go to like on this perfect day like we go to like four maybe so we're starting to hit like four maybe so we're starting to hit like four maybe so we're starting to hit like the anxiety levels so four cups is a lot

the anxiety levels so four cups is a lot the anxiety levels so four cups is a lot for you well I think my coffees are for you well I think my coffees are for you well I think my coffees are quite strong when I make them it's like quite strong when I make them it's like quite strong when I make them it's like 20 gram of uh coffee powder in the V60 20 gram of uh coffee powder in the V60 20 gram of uh coffee powder in the V60 so like my friends call him like nuclear so like my friends call him like nuclear so like my friends call him like nuclear coffee cuz it's quite heavy it's quite coffee cuz it's quite heavy it's quite coffee cuz it's quite heavy it's quite strong um but it's nice to hit that strong um but it's nice to hit that strong um but it's nice to hit that anxiety level where you're like almost anxiety level where you're like almost anxiety level where you're like almost panic attack but you're not there yet so panic attack but you're not there yet so panic attack but you're not there yet so but that's like man it's like super but that's like man it's like super but that's like man it's like super locked in just locked in just locked in just like it's amazing but I mean that's like it's amazing but I mean that's like it's amazing but I mean that's there's a space for that you know in my there's a space for that you know in my there's a space for that you know in my life but uh it's uh I think it's great life but uh it's uh I think it's great life but uh it's uh I think it's great for making new stuff it's amazing start for making new stuff it's amazing start for making new stuff it's amazing start starting from scratch creating a new starting from scratch creating a new starting from scratch creating a new thing yes I think girlfriends should let thing yes I think girlfriends should let thing yes I think girlfriends should let their guys go away for like two weeks their guys go away for like two weeks their guys go away for like two weeks mhm every few no every year at least you mhm every few no every year at least you mhm every few no every year at least you know maybe every quarter I don't know know maybe every quarter I don't know know maybe every quarter I don't know and just sit and make some shit without and just sit and make some shit without and just sit and make some shit without you know they're amazing but like no you know they're amazing but like no you know they're amazing but like no disturbances just be alone and then you disturbances just be alone and then you disturbances just be alone and then you know people can make something very very know people can make something very very know people can make something very very amazing just wearing cowboy hats in the amazing just wearing cowboy hats in the amazing just wearing cowboy hats in the mountains like we showed exactly we can mountains like we showed exactly we can mountains like we showed exactly we can do that there's a movie about that with do that there's a movie about that with do that there's a movie about that with the laptops they didn't do much the laptops they didn't do much the laptops they didn't do much programming though yeah you can do a programming though yeah you can do a programming though yeah you can do a little bit of that okay and then a little bit of that okay and then a little bit of that okay and then a little bit of shipping you know do little bit of shipping you know do little bit of shipping you know do both it's a different broke they need to both it's a different broke they need to both it's a different broke they need to allow us to go you know you need like a allow us to go you know you need like a allow us to go you know you need like a man cave right yeah to ship yeah to ship man cave right yeah to ship yeah to ship man cave right yeah to ship yeah to ship get shit done yeah it's a balance okay get shit done yeah it's a balance okay get shit done yeah it's a balance okay cool what about sleep naps and all that cool what about sleep naps and all that cool what about sleep naps and all that you're not sleeping much I don't do naps you're not sleeping much I don't do naps you're not sleeping much I don't do naps in a day I think it's power naps are in a day I think it's power naps are in a day I think it's power naps are good but I don't really I'm never tired good but I don't really I'm never tired good but I don't really I'm never tired anymore in the day uh man also because anymore in the day uh man also because anymore in the day uh man also because of gym I'm not tired I I'm tired when I of gym I'm not tired I I'm tired when I of gym I'm not tired I I'm tired when I want to when you know when it's night I

want to when you know when it's night I want to when you know when it's night I need to sleep me I love apps I don't need to sleep me I love apps I don't need to sleep me I love apps I don't care I don't know I don't know why brain care I don't know I don't know why brain care I don't know I don't know why brain shuts off turns on I don't know if it's shuts off turns on I don't know if it's shuts off turns on I don't know if it's healthy or not it just works yeah I healthy or not it just works yeah I healthy or not it just works yeah I think with anything mental physical you think with anything mental physical you think with anything mental physical you have to be a student of your own body have to be a student of your own body have to be a student of your own body and like know know what the limits are and like know know what the limits are and like know know what the limits are like that you have to be skeptical like that you have to be skeptical like that you have to be skeptical taking advice from the internet in taking advice from the internet in taking advice from the internet in general cuz a lot of advice is just like general cuz a lot of advice is just like general cuz a lot of advice is just like a good Baseline for the general a good Baseline for the general a good Baseline for the general population but personalized yeah you population but personalized yeah you population but personalized yeah you have to become a student of your own have to become a student of your own have to become a student of your own like of your own body of your own self like of your own body of your own self like of your own body of your own self of how you work yeah that's I've I've of how you work yeah that's I've I've of how you work yeah that's I've I've done a lot of like for me fasting was an done a lot of like for me fasting was an done a lot of like for me fasting was an interesting one because I used to you interesting one because I used to you interesting one because I used to you know eat a bunch of meals a day know eat a bunch of meals a day know eat a bunch of meals a day especially when I was lifting heavy like especially when I was lifting heavy like especially when I was lifting heavy like as everybody says to you have to eat uh as everybody says to you have to eat uh as everybody says to you have to eat uh kind of a lot you know multiple meals a kind of a lot you know multiple meals a kind of a lot you know multiple meals a day but I realize I can get much day but I realize I can get much day but I realize I can get much stronger feel much better if I eat once stronger feel much better if I eat once stronger feel much better if I eat once or twice a day man me too yeah it's or twice a day man me too yeah it's or twice a day man me too yeah it's crazy I never underst do this small meal crazy I never underst do this small meal crazy I never underst do this small meal thing yeah didn't work for me let me thing yeah didn't work for me let me thing yeah didn't work for me let me just ask you it'd be interesting if you just ask you it'd be interesting if you just ask you it'd be interesting if you can comment on some of the other can comment on some of the other can comment on some of the other products you've created products you've created products you've created we talked about Nomad list interior AI we talked about Nomad list interior AI we talked about Nomad list interior AI photo AI therapist AI what's remote okay photo AI therapist AI what's remote okay photo AI therapist AI what's remote okay it's a job board for remote jobs um it's a job board for remote jobs um it's a job board for remote jobs um because back then like 10 years ago because back then like 10 years ago because back then like 10 years ago there was uh job boards but there was there was uh job boards but there was there was uh job boards but there was not really specifically promote job job not really specifically promote job job not really specifically promote job job boards so I made one B I made like first boards so I made one B I made like first boards so I made one B I made like first on Nomad Le I made like Nomad jobs like on Nomad Le I made like Nomad jobs like on Nomad Le I made like Nomad jobs like a page and a lot of companies started a page and a lot of companies started a page and a lot of companies started hiring and they pay for job post so I hiring and they pay for job post so I hiring and they pay for job post so I spin it off to remote and now it's like spin it off to remote and now it's like spin it off to remote and now it's like the number one or number two biggest the number one or number two biggest the number one or number two biggest remote job boards and uh and it's also

remote job boards and uh and it's also remote job boards and uh and it's also fully automated it and people just post fully automated it and people just post fully automated it and people just post a job and people apply it has like a job and people apply it has like a job and people apply it has like profiles as well like it's kind of like profiles as well like it's kind of like profiles as well like it's kind of like LinkedIn for remotes work just focus on LinkedIn for remotes work just focus on LinkedIn for remotes work just focus on remote only yeah it's this it's remote only yeah it's this it's remote only yeah it's this it's essentially like a simple job board I essentially like a simple job board I essentially like a simple job board I discovered job boards are way more discovered job boards are way more discovered job boards are way more complicated than you think but um yeah complicated than you think but um yeah complicated than you think but um yeah it's a jobboard for remote it's a jobboard for remote it's a jobboard for remote jobs but the nice thing is you can jobs but the nice thing is you can jobs but the nice thing is you can charge a lot of money for job posst it's charge a lot of money for job posst it's charge a lot of money for job posst it's man it's good money B2B you can charge man it's good money B2B you can charge man it's good money B2B you can charge like you start of$ 299 but at the peak like you start of$ 299 but at the peak like you start of$ 299 but at the peak during when the FED started printing during when the FED started printing during when the FED started printing money like 2021 I was making like 140k a money like 2021 I was making like 140k a money like 2021 I was making like 140k a month with remot k with just jaob posts month with remot k with just jaob posts month with remot k with just jaob posts and I started like adding crazy upsells and I started like adding crazy upsells and I started like adding crazy upsells like rainbow colored uh jaw post you can like rainbow colored uh jaw post you can like rainbow colored uh jaw post you can add your background name it's just add your background name it's just add your background name it's just upsells man and you charge $5 for an upsells man and you charge $5 for an upsells man and you charge $5 for an upsell it was crazy and uh all these upsell it was crazy and uh all these upsell it was crazy and uh all these companies just UPS so up so yeah we want companies just UPS so up so yeah we want companies just UPS so up so yeah we want everything jobst would cost everything jobst would cost everything jobst would cost $3,400 $3,400 $3,400 $4,000 and I was like this is good good $4,000 and I was like this is good good $4,000 and I was like this is good good business and then the fat stopped business and then the fat stopped business and then the fat stopped printing money and it all went down and printing money and it all went down and printing money and it all went down and it went down to like 10K a month from it went down to like 10K a month from it went down to like 10K a month from 140 yeah now it's back it's I think it's 140 yeah now it's back it's I think it's 140 yeah now it's back it's I think it's like 40 was good times you know uh I got like 40 was good times you know uh I got like 40 was good times you know uh I got to ask you about back to the digital to ask you about back to the digital to ask you about back to the digital Nomad life yeah you uh you wrote a blog Nomad life yeah you uh you wrote a blog Nomad life yeah you uh you wrote a blog post on the reset and in general like post on the reset and in general like post on the reset and in general like just giving away everything living a just giving away everything living a just giving away everything living a minimalist life yeah what did it take to minimalist life yeah what did it take to minimalist life yeah what did it take to do that like to get rid of everything 10 do that like to get rid of everything 10 do that like to get rid of everything 10 years ago was like this trend in the years ago was like this trend in the years ago was like this trend in the blog back then blogs were so popular was blog back then blogs were so popular was blog back then blogs were so popular was like a blogosphere and it was like the like a blogosphere and it was like the like a blogosphere and it was like the 100 things challenge what is that the 100 things challenge what is that the 100 things challenge what is that the 100 things I mean it's ridiculous but 100 things I mean it's ridiculous but 100 things I mean it's ridiculous but like you you write down every object you

like you you write down every object you like you you write down every object you have in your house and you count it you have in your house and you count it you have in your house and you count it you make like a spreadsheet and you're like make like a spreadsheet and you're like make like a spreadsheet and you're like okay I have 500 things you need to get okay I have 500 things you need to get okay I have 500 things you need to get it down to 100 why you know this was it down to 100 why you know this was it down to 100 why you know this was just a trend so I did it I started like just a trend so I did it I started like just a trend so I did it I started like selling stuff started throwing away selling stuff started throwing away selling stuff started throwing away stuff and I did like MDMA and easy like stuff and I did like MDMA and easy like stuff and I did like MDMA and easy like 2012 kind of and uh after that trip I 2012 kind of and uh after that trip I 2012 kind of and uh after that trip I felt so different and I felt like I had felt so different and I felt like I had felt so different and I felt like I had to started throwing shit away like I to started throwing shit away like I to started throwing shit away like I swear yeah and I started throwing shit swear yeah and I started throwing shit swear yeah and I started throwing shit away and I felt that was like it was away and I felt that was like it was away and I felt that was like it was almost like the drug sending me to a almost like the drug sending me to a almost like the drug sending me to a path of like you need to throw your shit path of like you need to throw your shit path of like you need to throw your shit away you need to start you know go on a away you need to start you know go on a away you need to start you know go on a journey you need to get out of here and journey you need to get out of here and journey you need to get out of here and um and that's what the MDMA did I think um and that's what the MDMA did I think um and that's what the MDMA did I think yeah how hard is it to get down to 100 yeah how hard is it to get down to 100 yeah how hard is it to get down to 100 items well you need to like sell your PC items well you need to like sell your PC items well you need to like sell your PC and stuff you need s you need to go on and stuff you need s you need to go on and stuff you need s you need to go on eBay and then man going eBay selling or eBay and then man going eBay selling or eBay and then man going eBay selling or your stuff is verying because you your stuff is verying because you your stuff is verying because you discover Society you mat you meet the discover Society you mat you meet the discover Society you mat you meet the craziest people you meet every range craziest people you meet every range craziest people you meet every range from Rich the poor everybody comes to from Rich the poor everybody comes to from Rich the poor everybody comes to your house to buy stuff it's so funny so your house to buy stuff it's so funny so your house to buy stuff it's so funny so interesting I recommend everybody do interesting I recommend everybody do interesting I recommend everybody do this just to meet people people that this just to meet people people that this just to meet people people that want your shit yeah it was so like I I want your shit yeah it was so like I I want your shit yeah it was so like I I didn't know was I was living in didn't know was I was living in didn't know was I was living in Amsterdam and I didn't know I have my Amsterdam and I didn't know I have my Amsterdam and I didn't know I have my own you know subculture whatever and I own you know subculture whatever and I own you know subculture whatever and I discovered the Dutch people like as they discovered the Dutch people like as they discovered the Dutch people like as they are from eBay you know so I sold are from eBay you know so I sold are from eBay you know so I sold everything what's what's like the everything what's what's like the everything what's what's like the weirdest thing you had to sell and you weirdest thing you had to sell and you weirdest thing you had to sell and you had to find a buyer for not the weirds had to find a buyer for not the weirds had to find a buyer for not the weirds but like what what's memorable so back but like what what's memorable so back but like what what's memorable so back then I was I was making music and I we then I was I was making music and I we then I was I was making music and I we would make music videos with like a would make music videos with like a would make music videos with like a Canon 5D camera back then everybody's Canon 5D camera back then everybody's Canon 5D camera back then everybody's making films and music that and uh and making films and music that and uh and making films and music that and uh and we bought it with my friends and stuff we bought it with my friends and stuff we bought it with my friends and stuff and

and and it was kind of like I had to sell this it was kind of like I had to sell this it was kind of like I had to sell this thing too because it was like it was thing too because it was like it was thing too because it was like it was very expensive like 6K or something yeah very expensive like 6K or something yeah very expensive like 6K or something yeah and but it meant that selling this meant and but it meant that selling this meant and but it meant that selling this meant that we wouldn't make music videos that we wouldn't make music videos that we wouldn't make music videos together anymore I would leave Holland together anymore I would leave Holland together anymore I would leave Holland this kind of like stuff we were working this kind of like stuff we were working this kind of like stuff we were working on would end and I was kind of saying on would end and I was kind of saying on would end and I was kind of saying this music video stuff we're not getting this music video stuff we're not getting this music video stuff we're not getting big we're not getting famous in this or big we're not getting famous in this or big we're not getting famous in this or successful we need to stop doing this successful we need to stop doing this successful we need to stop doing this this music production also it's not this music production also it's not this music production also it's not really working and it was kind of like really working and it was kind of like really working and it was kind of like felt very bad you know for my friends felt very bad you know for my friends felt very bad you know for my friends cuz we would work together on this and cuz we would work together on this and cuz we would work together on this and um to sell this like camera that we make um to sell this like camera that we make um to sell this like camera that we make stuff with and it was a hard goodbye was stuff with and it was a hard goodbye was stuff with and it was a hard goodbye was just a camera but it was like it felt just a camera but it was like it felt just a camera but it was like it felt like uh sorry guys it doesn't work and I like uh sorry guys it doesn't work and I like uh sorry guys it doesn't work and I need to go you know who uh who bought it need to go you know who uh who bought it need to go you know who uh who bought it do you remember was some guy who do you remember was some guy who do you remember was some guy who couldn't possibly couldn't possibly couldn't possibly understand the journey motion of it yeah understand the journey motion of it yeah understand the journey motion of it yeah yeah he just showed up here here's the yeah he just showed up here here's the yeah he just showed up here here's the money thanks yeah but it was like a it money thanks yeah but it was like a it money thanks yeah but it was like a it was like cutting your life like this was like cutting your life like this was like cutting your life like this shit ends now now we GNA do new stuff shit ends now now we GNA do new stuff shit ends now now we GNA do new stuff and I think it's beautiful I did that and I think it's beautiful I did that and I think it's beautiful I did that twice in my life give away everything twice in my life give away everything twice in my life give away everything everything everything like down to just everything everything like down to just everything everything like down to just pants underwear pants underwear pants underwear backpack I think uh I think it's backpack I think uh I think it's backpack I think uh I think it's important to do it shows you what's important to do it shows you what's important to do it shows you what's important yeah I think that's what I important yeah I think that's what I important yeah I think that's what I learned from it like you you learn that learned from it like you you learn that learned from it like you you learn that you can live with very little objects you can live with very little objects you can live with very little objects very little stuff and um but there's a very little stuff and um but there's a very little stuff and um but there's a there's a counter to it like you you there's a counter to it like you you there's a counter to it like you you lean more on this on the stuff on the lean more on this on the stuff on the lean more on this on the stuff on the services right like for example you services right like for example you services right like for example you don't need a car you use Uber right or don't need a car you use Uber right or don't need a car you use Uber right or you don't need kitchen stuff because you you don't need kitchen stuff because you you don't need kitchen stuff because you go to restaurants you know when you're go to restaurants you know when you're go to restaurants you know when you're traveling so you lean more on other traveling so you lean more on other traveling so you lean more on other people's services but you spend money on people's services but you spend money on people's services but you spend money on that as well so that's good yeah but

that as well so that's good yeah but that as well so that's good yeah but just letting go of material possessions just letting go of material possessions just letting go of material possessions which it gives a kind of freedom to how which it gives a kind of freedom to how which it gives a kind of freedom to how you move about the world yeah it gives you move about the world yeah it gives you move about the world yeah it gives you complete freedom to go into another you complete freedom to go into another you complete freedom to go into another city to yeah with your backpack with a city to yeah with your backpack with a city to yeah with your backpack with a backpack there's a kind of freedom to it backpack there's a kind of freedom to it backpack there's a kind of freedom to it there's something about material there's something about material there's something about material possessions and having a place and all possessions and having a place and all possessions and having a place and all that that ties you down a little bit that that ties you down a little bit that that ties you down a little bit Yeah like spiritually it's good to take Yeah like spiritually it's good to take Yeah like spiritually it's good to take a leap out into the world especially a leap out into the world especially a leap out into the world especially when you're younger to like man I when you're younger to like man I when you're younger to like man I recommend if you're 18 you get out of recommend if you're 18 you get out of recommend if you're 18 you get out of high school do this go travel and uh uh high school do this go travel and uh uh high school do this go travel and uh uh you know build some internet stuff you know build some internet stuff you know build some internet stuff whatever if your bring your laptop and whatever if your bring your laptop and whatever if your bring your laptop and uh it's it's amazing experience I five uh it's it's amazing experience I five uh it's it's amazing experience I five years ago it's still going to University years ago it's still going to University years ago it's still going to University but now I'm thinking like no maybe don't but now I'm thinking like no maybe don't but now I'm thinking like no maybe don't maybe skip University just go first like maybe skip University just go first like maybe skip University just go first like travel around a little bit figure some travel around a little bit figure some travel around a little bit figure some stuff out you can go back to University stuff out you can go back to University stuff out you can go back to University when you're 25 you can like okay now I when you're 25 you can like okay now I when you're 25 you can like okay now I learned I being successful in business learned I being successful in business learned I being successful in business you have money at least now you can you have money at least now you can you have money at least now you can choose what you really want to study you choose what you really want to study you choose what you really want to study you know because people at 18 they go study know because people at 18 they go study know because people at 18 they go study what is probably good for the job market what is probably good for the job market what is probably good for the job market right so it probably makes more sense right so it probably makes more sense right so it probably makes more sense like if you want that go travel build like if you want that go travel build like if you want that go travel build some businesses and go back to some businesses and go back to some businesses and go back to University if you want so one of the University if you want so one of the University if you want so one of the biggest uses of a university is the biggest uses of a university is the biggest uses of a university is the networking you you uh you gain friends networking you you uh you gain friends networking you you uh you gain friends you gain like you meet people it's a you gain like you meet people it's a you gain like you meet people it's a forcing function to meet people but if forcing function to meet people but if forcing function to meet people but if you can meet people out into the World you can meet people out into the World you can meet people out into the World by traveling man and you meet so many by traveling man and you meet so many by traveling man and you meet so many different cultures I mean the problem different cultures I mean the problem different cultures I mean the problem for me is like if I traveled at that for me is like if I traveled at that for me is like if I traveled at that young age I'm attracted to people at the young age I'm attracted to people at the young age I'm attracted to people at the outskirts of the world like for me like outskirts of the world like for me like outskirts of the world like for me like where no mean not geographically oh like where no mean not geographically oh like where no mean not geographically oh like the the subcultures the sub yeah like the the subcultures the sub yeah like the the subcultures the sub yeah like the weirdos the darkness yeah me too but the weirdos the darkness yeah me too but the weirdos the darkness yeah me too but but that might not be the best

but that might not be the best but that might not be the best networking at 18 years networking at 18 years networking at 18 years old no but it man if you if you're smart old no but it man if you if you're smart old no but it man if you if you're smart about it you can stay safe and I met so about it you can stay safe and I met so about it you can stay safe and I met so many weirdos from traveling you meet many weirdos from traveling you meet many weirdos from traveling you meet that's how travel works if you really that's how travel works if you really that's how travel works if you really let lose you meet the craziest people let lose you meet the craziest people let lose you meet the craziest people yeah and it's the most interesting yeah and it's the most interesting yeah and it's the most interesting people people people and it's just I cannot recommend it and it's just I cannot recommend it and it's just I cannot recommend it enough well see the thing is when you're enough well see the thing is when you're enough well see the thing is when you're 18 I feel like depending on your 18 I feel like depending on your 18 I feel like depending on your personality you have to learn both how personality you have to learn both how personality you have to learn both how to be a weirdo and how to be a normie to be a weirdo and how to be a normie to be a weirdo and how to be a normie like you still have to learn how to fit like you still have to learn how to fit like you still have to learn how to fit into society like for a person like me into society like for a person like me into society like for a person like me for example who's always an outcast like for example who's always an outcast like for example who's always an outcast like there's always a danger for going full there's always a danger for going full there's always a danger for going full Outcast yeah and that's a harder life if Outcast yeah and that's a harder life if Outcast yeah and that's a harder life if you like if you go to like go full you like if you go to like go full you like if you go to like go full artist and full like Darkness it's just artist and full like Darkness it's just artist and full like Darkness it's just a heart of life you can come back you a heart of life you can come back you a heart of life you can come back you can come back to normally that's a skill can come back to normally that's a skill can come back to normally that's a skill that's like I think you have to learn that's like I think you have to learn that's like I think you have to learn how to how to fit how to how to fit how to how to fit into uh like polite Society but I was into uh like polite Society but I was into uh like polite Society but I was very strange Outcast as well and I'm I'm very strange Outcast as well and I'm I'm very strange Outcast as well and I'm I'm more adaptable to normally now you know more adaptable to normally now you know more adaptable to normally now you know learned it after 30s you know you're learned it after 30s you know you're learned it after 30s you know you're like yeah but you mean it's a skill you like yeah but you mean it's a skill you like yeah but you mean it's a skill you have to learn yeah I feel man I feel have to learn yeah I feel man I feel have to learn yeah I feel man I feel also the you start as Outcast but the also the you start as Outcast but the also the you start as Outcast but the more you work on yourself the less like more you work on yourself the less like more you work on yourself the less like shit you have you kind of start becoming shit you have you kind of start becoming shit you have you kind of start becoming more normally because you become more more normally because you become more more normally because you become more chill with yourself and more happy and chill with yourself and more happy and chill with yourself and more happy and it kind of makes you uninteresting right it kind of makes you uninteresting right it kind of makes you uninteresting right a little bit yes yes like the most the a little bit yes yes like the most the a little bit yes yes like the most the crazy people are always the most crazy people are always the most crazy people are always the most interesting if you've solved your interesting if you've solved your interesting if you've solved your internal struggles and your your therapy

internal struggles and your your therapy internal struggles and your your therapy and stuff and you kind of become kind of and stuff and you kind of become kind of and stuff and you kind of become kind of you know it's not so interesting anymore you know it's not so interesting anymore you know it's not so interesting anymore maybe you don't have to be broken to be maybe you don't have to be broken to be maybe you don't have to be broken to be interesting I guess is what I'm saying interesting I guess is what I'm saying interesting I guess is what I'm saying yeah what kind of things were left when yeah what kind of things were left when yeah what kind of things were left when you minimalized so the backpack yeah uh you minimalized so the backpack yeah uh you minimalized so the backpack yeah uh MacBook uh toothbrush uh some clothes MacBook uh toothbrush uh some clothes MacBook uh toothbrush uh some clothes underwear socks um you don't need a lot underwear socks um you don't need a lot underwear socks um you don't need a lot of clothes in Asia cuz it's hot so you of clothes in Asia cuz it's hot so you of clothes in Asia cuz it's hot so you just wear swimpants swim shorts he w just wear swimpants swim shorts he w just wear swimpants swim shorts he w walk around flipflops uh so very basic walk around flipflops uh so very basic walk around flipflops uh so very basic t-shirt and uh I would go to the lroom t-shirt and uh I would go to the lroom t-shirt and uh I would go to the lroom mat and wash my stuff and I think it was mat and wash my stuff and I think it was mat and wash my stuff and I think it was like 50 F or something yeah yeah it's like 50 F or something yeah yeah it's like 50 F or something yeah yeah it's nice there's uh as I mentioned to you nice there's uh as I mentioned to you nice there's uh as I mentioned to you there's the the show alone yeah they there's the the show alone yeah they there's the the show alone yeah they really test you cuz they you only get 10 really test you cuz they you only get 10 really test you cuz they you only get 10 items and you have to survive out in the items and you have to survive out in the items and you have to survive out in the wilderness and an axe like everybody wilderness and an axe like everybody wilderness and an axe like everybody brings an brings an brings an axe some axe some axe some people uh also have a people uh also have a people uh also have a saw wow but usually a does the job you saw wow but usually a does the job you saw wow but usually a does the job you basically have to in order to build a basically have to in order to build a basically have to in order to build a shelter you have to cut down cut the shelter you have to cut down cut the shelter you have to cut down cut the trees and make and like learning trees and make and like learning trees and make and like learning Minecraft you know everything I learn Minecraft you know everything I learn Minecraft you know everything I learn about life I learn Minecraft about life I learn Minecraft about life I learn Minecraft bro yeah yeah you can it's a it's it's bro yeah yeah you can it's a it's it's bro yeah yeah you can it's a it's it's nice to create those constraints for nice to create those constraints for nice to create those constraints for yourself to understand what matters to yourself to understand what matters to yourself to understand what matters to you and also how to be in this world and you and also how to be in this world and you and also how to be in this world and one one of the ways to do that just to one one of the ways to do that just to one one of the ways to do that just to live a minimalist life but like some live a minimalist life but like some live a minimalist life but like some people like I've met people that really people like I've met people that really people like I've met people that really enjoy material possessions and it brings enjoy material possessions and it brings enjoy material possessions and it brings him happiness and that's that's a him happiness and that's that's a him happiness and that's that's a beautiful thing yeah like for me it

beautiful thing yeah like for me it beautiful thing yeah like for me it doesn't but people are different it doesn't but people are different it doesn't but people are different it gives me happiness for like two weeks gives me happiness for like two weeks gives me happiness for like two weeks yeah I'm very quickly adapting to like a yeah I'm very quickly adapting to like a yeah I'm very quickly adapting to like a baseline hedonist hedonistic adaptation baseline hedonist hedonistic adaptation baseline hedonist hedonistic adaptation very fast yeah but man if you look at very fast yeah but man if you look at very fast yeah but man if you look at the studies most people like like the studies most people like like the studies most people like like getting a new car six months you know getting a new car six months you know getting a new car six months you know getting a new house six months you just getting a new house six months you just getting a new house six months you just feel the same you're like wow should I feel the same you're like wow should I feel the same you're like wow should I buy all the stuff that studying buy all the stuff that studying buy all the stuff that studying hedonistic adaptation made me think a hedonistic adaptation made me think a hedonistic adaptation made me think a lot about minimalism like and so you lot about minimalism like and so you lot about minimalism like and so you don't even need to go through the whole don't even need to go through the whole don't even need to go through the whole journey of getting it just just focus on journey of getting it just just focus on journey of getting it just just focus on the the thing that's more permanent yeah the the thing that's more permanent yeah the the thing that's more permanent yeah like building shit yeah like people like building shit yeah like people like building shit yeah like people around you like people you love nice around you like people you love nice around you like people you love nice food nice experiences meaningful work food nice experiences meaningful work food nice experiences meaningful work those things exercise you know those those things exercise you know those those things exercise you know those things make you happy I think make me things make you happy I think make me things make you happy I think make me happy for sure you wrote a blog post why happy for sure you wrote a blog post why happy for sure you wrote a blog post why I'm unreachable and maybe you should be I'm unreachable and maybe you should be I'm unreachable and maybe you should be too what's your strategy in too what's your strategy in too what's your strategy in communicating with people yeah so when I communicating with people yeah so when I communicating with people yeah so when I wrote that I was getting so many M as wrote that I was getting so many M as wrote that I was getting so many M as you probably have you have a million you probably have you have a million you probably have you have a million times more but um and people were times more but um and people were times more but um and people were getting angry that I wasn't responding getting angry that I wasn't responding getting angry that I wasn't responding and I was like okay I'll just close down and I was like okay I'll just close down and I was like okay I'll just close down these DMS completely M then people got these DMS completely M then people got these DMS completely M then people got angry that I Clos my DMs down that I'm angry that I Clos my DMs down that I'm angry that I Clos my DMs down that I'm not like man of the people you know it's not like man of the people you know it's not like man of the people you know it's like you changed man yeah you Chang you like you changed man yeah you Chang you like you changed man yeah you Chang you guys you know like this and I'm like guys you know like this and I'm like guys you know like this and I'm like I'll explain why I just don't have the I'll explain why I just don't have the I'll explain why I just don't have the time in a day to you know answer every time in a day to you know answer every time in a day to you know answer every question and also people send you like question and also people send you like question and also people send you like crazy shit man like stalkers and like crazy shit man like stalkers and like crazy shit man like stalkers and like people write like their whole life story people write like their whole life story people write like their whole life story for you and then ask you advice like man for you and then ask you advice like man for you and then ask you advice like man I have no idea I'm not a therapist I

I have no idea I'm not a therapist I I have no idea I'm not a therapist I don't know I don't know this stuff but don't know I don't know this stuff but don't know I don't know this stuff but also beautiful stuff no absolutely sure also beautiful stuff no absolutely sure also beautiful stuff no absolutely sure like life story I've posted a coffee like life story I've posted a coffee like life story I've posted a coffee form like if you wanted to have a coffee form like if you wanted to have a coffee form like if you wanted to have a coffee with me and I've gotten an extremely with me and I've gotten an extremely with me and I've gotten an extremely large number of submissions and when I large number of submissions and when I large number of submissions and when I look at them there's just like beautiful look at them there's just like beautiful look at them there's just like beautiful people in there like beautiful human people in there like beautiful human people in there like beautiful human beings really powerful stories and like beings really powerful stories and like beings really powerful stories and like breaks my heart that I won't get to meet breaks my heart that I won't get to meet breaks my heart that I won't get to meet those people you know like and so this those people you know like and so this those people you know like and so this part of it is just like there's only so part of it is just like there's only so part of it is just like there's only so much bandwidth to truly see other humans much bandwidth to truly see other humans much bandwidth to truly see other humans and help them or like understand them or and help them or like understand them or and help them or like understand them or hear them or yeah see them yeah I have hear them or yeah see them yeah I have hear them or yeah see them yeah I have this problem that I try I want to try this problem that I try I want to try this problem that I try I want to try help people and like also like oh let's help people and like also like oh let's help people and like also like oh let's make startups and whatever and it's I've make startups and whatever and it's I've make startups and whatever and it's I've learned over the years that generally learned over the years that generally learned over the years that generally for me and it sounds maybe bad right but for me and it sounds maybe bad right but for me and it sounds maybe bad right but like I help my friend Andre for example like I help my friend Andre for example like I help my friend Andre for example he was he he came up to me in a cing he was he he came up to me in a cing he was he he came up to me in a cing space that's how I met him and he said I space that's how I met him and he said I space that's how I met him and he said I want to learn a code I want to do want to learn a code I want to do want to learn a code I want to do startups how do I do it I said okay startups how do I do it I said okay startups how do I do it I said okay let's go uh install engine X let start let's go uh install engine X let start let's go uh install engine X let start coding and he has this self energy that coding and he has this self energy that coding and he has this self energy that he actually um he he doesn't need to be he actually um he he doesn't need to be he actually um he he doesn't need to be pushed he just goes and he just goes and pushed he just goes and he just goes and pushed he just goes and he just goes and he asks questions and he he doesn't ask he asks questions and he he doesn't ask he asks questions and he he doesn't ask too many questions he just goes goes and too many questions he just goes goes and too many questions he just goes goes and learns it and now he has a company and learns it and now he has a company and learns it and now he has a company and makes a lot of money has his own makes a lot of money has his own makes a lot of money has his own startups so and the people that that I startups so and the people that that I startups so and the people that that I had to kind of like that asked me for had to kind of like that asked me for had to kind of like that asked me for help but then I I gave help and then help but then I I gave help and then help but then I I gave help and then they started they started debating it they started they started debating it they started they started debating it you know do you have that like people you know do you have that like people you know do you have that like people ask you advice and they go against you ask you advice and they go against you ask you advice and they go against you say no you're wrong because I'm like say no you're wrong because I'm like say no you're wrong because I'm like okay bro I don't want debate you ask me okay bro I don't want debate you ask me okay bro I don't want debate you ask me for advice right and the people who need for advice right and the people who need for advice right and the people who need this push generally it doesn't happen

this push generally it doesn't happen this push generally it doesn't happen you need to have this energy for you need to have this energy for you need to have this energy for yourself well they're searching they're yourself well they're searching they're yourself well they're searching they're searching they're trying to figure it searching they're trying to figure it searching they're trying to figure it out but often times their out but often times their out but often times their search if they successfully find what search if they successfully find what search if they successfully find what they're looking for it'll be within they're looking for it'll be within they're looking for it'll be within sounds very like spiritual Sonny but sounds very like spiritual Sonny but sounds very like spiritual Sonny but it's it's really like figuring that shit it's it's really like figuring that shit it's it's really like figuring that shit out on your own but they're reaching out on your own but they're reaching out on your own but they're reaching they're trying to ask the world around they're trying to ask the world around they're trying to ask the world around them like how do I live this life how do them like how do I live this life how do them like how do I live this life how do I figure this out but ultimately the I figure this out but ultimately the I figure this out but ultimately the answer is going to be from them working answer is going to be from them working answer is going to be from them working on themselves and like literally it's on themselves and like literally it's on themselves and like literally it's the stupid thing but like Googling and the stupid thing but like Googling and the stupid thing but like Googling and doing like yeah I think it's doing like yeah I think it's doing like yeah I think it's procrastination I think sending messages procrastination I think sending messages procrastination I think sending messages to people is a lot of procrastination to people is a lot of procrastination to people is a lot of procrastination like Lex how do you become successful like Lex how do you become successful like Lex how do you become successful podcaster bro just you know start like podcaster bro just you know start like podcaster bro just you know start like just go yeah and uh just go I would just go yeah and uh just go I would just go yeah and uh just go I would never ask you how to be a successful never ask you how to be a successful never ask you how to be a successful podcaster like I would just start it and podcaster like I would just start it and podcaster like I would just start it and then I would copy your methods you know then I would copy your methods you know then I would copy your methods you know I would say ah this guy's a black I would say ah this guy's a black I would say ah this guy's a black background we probably need this as well background we probably need this as well background we probably need this as well yeah try it yeah try it and then you yeah try it yeah try it and then you yeah try it yeah try it and then you realize it's not about the black realize it's not about the black realize it's not about the black background it's about something else so background it's about something else so background it's about something else so you find your own voice like keep trying you find your own voice like keep trying you find your own voice like keep trying stuffa imitation is a difficult thing stuffa imitation is a difficult thing stuffa imitation is a difficult thing like a lot of people copy and they don't like a lot of people copy and they don't like a lot of people copy and they don't move past it yeah you should understand move past it yeah you should understand move past it yeah you should understand their methods and then move past it like their methods and then move past it like their methods and then move past it like find yourself find your own voice you find yourself find your own voice you find yourself find your own voice you imitate and then you put your own spin imitate and then you put your own spin imitate and then you put your own spin to it you know and that's like creative to it you know and that's like creative to it you know and that's like creative process that's like literally the whole process that's like literally the whole process that's like literally the whole cre everybody always Builds on the cre everybody always Builds on the cre everybody always Builds on the previous work yeah uh you shouldn't get previous work yeah uh you shouldn't get previous work yeah uh you shouldn't get stuck 24 hours in a day eight hours of stuck 24 hours in a day eight hours of stuck 24 hours in a day eight hours of sleep you like break it down into a math sleep you like break it down into a math sleep you like break it down into a math equation uh 90 minutes of showering equation uh 90 minutes of showering equation uh 90 minutes of showering clean up clean up clean up coffee it just keeps whittling down to coffee it just keeps whittling down to coffee it just keeps whittling down to zero man it's not this specific but I

zero man it's not this specific but I zero man it's not this specific but I had to make like a you know an average had to make like a you know an average had to make like a you know an average or something firefighting I don't like or something firefighting I don't like or something firefighting I don't like that one hours of groceries and errands that one hours of groceries and errands that one hours of groceries and errands I've tried breaking down minute by I've tried breaking down minute by I've tried breaking down minute by minute what I do in a day yeah minute what I do in a day yeah minute what I do in a day yeah especially when my life was simpler it's especially when my life was simpler it's especially when my life was simpler it's really refreshing to understand where really refreshing to understand where really refreshing to understand where you waste a lot of time yeah and uh what you waste a lot of time yeah and uh what you waste a lot of time yeah and uh what you enjoy doing like how many minutes it you enjoy doing like how many minutes it you enjoy doing like how many minutes it takes to be happy doing the thing that takes to be happy doing the thing that takes to be happy doing the thing that makes you happy and how many minutes it makes you happy and how many minutes it makes you happy and how many minutes it takes to be productive and you realize takes to be productive and you realize takes to be productive and you realize there's a lot of hours in the day if you there's a lot of hours in the day if you there's a lot of hours in the day if you spend it right yeah a lot of is wasted spend it right yeah a lot of is wasted spend it right yeah a lot of is wasted yeah for me has been the the the biggest yeah for me has been the the the biggest yeah for me has been the the the biggest battle for uh for the longest time is battle for uh for the longest time is battle for uh for the longest time is finding stretches a time where I can finding stretches a time where I can finding stretches a time where I can deeply focus into really really deep deeply focus into really really deep deeply focus into really really deep work just like zoom in and completely work just like zoom in and completely work just like zoom in and completely focused cutting away all the focused cutting away all the focused cutting away all the distractions yeah me too that's the distractions yeah me too that's the distractions yeah me too that's the battle Yeah it's unpleasant it's battle Yeah it's unpleasant it's battle Yeah it's unpleasant it's extremely unpleasant we need to fly to extremely unpleasant we need to fly to extremely unpleasant we need to fly to an island you know make a a man cave an island you know make a a man cave an island you know make a a man cave Island where we can just everybody can Island where we can just everybody can Island where we can just everybody can just goat and for a week you know just just goat and for a week you know just just goat and for a week you know just get shit done make new get shit done make new get shit done make new projects yeah yeah but man they called projects yeah yeah but man they called projects yeah yeah but man they called me psychopath for this because it says me psychopath for this because it says me psychopath for this because it says like one hours of sex hugs love you know like one hours of sex hugs love you know like one hours of sex hugs love you know man I had to write something you know man I had to write something you know man I had to write something you know and they were like ah this guy and they were like ah this guy and they were like ah this guy psychopath he plans his sex know in psychopath he plans his sex know in psychopath he plans his sex know in specific hour like bro I don't but have specific hour like bro I don't but have specific hour like bro I don't but have a counter for hugs yeah exactly like a counter for hugs yeah exactly like a counter for hugs yeah exactly like yeah like click click click H it's it's yeah like click click click H it's it's yeah like click click click H it's it's just a numerical representation of what just a numerical representation of what just a numerical representation of what life is yeah life is yeah life is yeah it's like one of those like when you it's like one of those like when you it's like one of those like when you draw out how many weeks you have in a draw out how many weeks you have in a draw out how many weeks you have in a life oh dude this is like dark yeah man

life oh dude this is like dark yeah man life oh dude this is like dark yeah man don't want to look that too much yeah don't want to look that too much yeah don't want to look that too much yeah man how many times you see your parents man how many times you see your parents man how many times you see your parents Jesus like man yeah it's scary man Jesus like man yeah it's scary man Jesus like man yeah it's scary man that's right it might be only you know a that's right it might be only you know a that's right it might be only you know a handful more times yeah man you just handful more times yeah man you just handful more times yeah man you just look at the math of it if you see him look at the math of it if you see him look at the math of it if you see him once a year or twice a year yeah once a year or twice a year yeah once a year or twice a year yeah FaceTime today yeah FaceTime today yeah FaceTime today yeah yeah I mean it that that's like dark yeah I mean it that that's like dark yeah I mean it that that's like dark when when when you see somebody you like like seeing you see somebody you like like seeing you see somebody you like like seeing like a friend that's on the outskirts of like a friend that's on the outskirts of like a friend that's on the outskirts of your friend group and you realize like your friend group and you realize like your friend group and you realize like well I haven't really seen him for like well I haven't really seen him for like well I haven't really seen him for like three years so like how many more times three years so like how many more times three years so like how many more times do we have that we see each other yeah do we have that we see each other yeah do we have that we see each other yeah do you believe that like friends just do you believe that like friends just do you believe that like friends just slowly disappear from your life like slowly disappear from your life like slowly disappear from your life like they kind of your friend group evolves they kind of your friend group evolves they kind of your friend group evolves right so like it does it does like you right so like it does it does like you right so like it does it does like you don't want to there's a problem with don't want to there's a problem with don't want to there's a problem with Facebook you get all these old friends Facebook you get all these old friends Facebook you get all these old friends from school like when you were 10 years from school like when you were 10 years from school like when you were 10 years old back when Facebook started like you old back when Facebook started like you old back when Facebook started like you don't really you would friend them and don't really you would friend them and don't really you would friend them and then you're like why are we in touch then you're like why are we in touch then you're like why are we in touch again just keep the memories there you again just keep the memories there you again just keep the memories there you know like it's different life now yeah I know like it's different life now yeah I know like it's different life now yeah I have you know I don't that might be a have you know I don't that might be a have you know I don't that might be a guy thing or I don't know there's guy thing or I don't know there's guy thing or I don't know there's certain friends I have that like we certain friends I have that like we certain friends I have that like we don't interact often but we're still don't interact often but we're still don't interact often but we're still friends yeah like I every time I see friends yeah like I every time I see friends yeah like I every time I see him I think it's because we have a him I think it's because we have a him I think it's because we have a foundation of many shared experiences foundation of many shared experiences foundation of many shared experiences and many memories like I it's like and many memories like I it's like and many memories like I it's like nothing has changed like we've been nothing has changed like we've been nothing has changed like we've been almost like we've been talking every day almost like we've been talking every day almost like we've been talking every day even if we haven't talked for a year even if we haven't talked for a year even if we haven't talked for a year yeah so that like yeah that's deep yeah yeah so that like yeah that's deep yeah yeah so that like yeah that's deep yeah so that so I don't have to be so that so I don't have to be so that so I don't have to be interacting with them for them to be in interacting with them for them to be in interacting with them for them to be in a friend group and then there's some a friend group and then there's some a friend group and then there's some people I interact with a lot so it's it

people I interact with a lot so it's it people I interact with a lot so it's it it depends but there's just this network it depends but there's just this network it depends but there's just this network of good human beings that of good human beings that of good human beings that can I have like a real love for them and can I have like a real love for them and can I have like a real love for them and I I can always count on them if like if I I can always count on them if like if I I can always count on them if like if any of them called me in the middle of any of them called me in the middle of any of them called me in the middle of the night I'll get rid of a body you the night I'll get rid of a body you the night I'll get rid of a body you know I'm know I'm know I'm there I like how that's a different there I like how that's a different there I like how that's a different definition of friendship but it's true definition of friendship but it's true definition of friendship but it's true it's true true friend you've become more it's true true friend you've become more it's true true friend you've become more and more famous recently how's that uh and more famous recently how's that uh and more famous recently how's that uh affect you it's not recently it's this affect you it's not recently it's this affect you it's not recently it's this gradual thing right like it keeps keeps gradual thing right like it keeps keeps gradual thing right like it keeps keeps going and uh and I also don't know why going and uh and I also don't know why going and uh and I also don't know why it keeps going does that put pressure on it keeps going does that put pressure on it keeps going does that put pressure on you to cuz you're pretty open on Twitter you to cuz you're pretty open on Twitter you to cuz you're pretty open on Twitter and you're just like basically building and you're just like basically building and you're just like basically building shit in the open yeah and just not shit in the open yeah and just not shit in the open yeah and just not really caring if it's too technical if really caring if it's too technical if really caring if it's too technical if it's any of this just being out there it's any of this just being out there it's any of this just being out there does it put pressure on you as you does it put pressure on you as you does it put pressure on you as you become more popular to be a little bit become more popular to be a little bit become more popular to be a little bit more like collected and man I think the more like collected and man I think the more like collected and man I think the opposite right like because the people I opposite right like because the people I opposite right like because the people I follow are interesting because they say follow are interesting because they say follow are interesting because they say whatever they think and they and they whatever they think and they and they whatever they think and they and they ship or whatever it's so boring that ship or whatever it's so boring that ship or whatever it's so boring that people start tweeting only about one people start tweeting only about one people start tweeting only about one topic yeah I don't know anything about topic yeah I don't know anything about topic yeah I don't know anything about their personal life I want to know about their personal life I want to know about their personal life I want to know about their personal life like you do podcast their personal life like you do podcast their personal life like you do podcast you ask about LIF stuff about you ask about LIF stuff about you ask about LIF stuff about personality that's the most interesting personality that's the most interesting personality that's the most interesting part of like business or sports like part of like business or sports like part of like business or sports like what's the behind this for the athlete what's the behind this for the athlete what's the behind this for the athlete right behind the entrepreneur that's right behind the entrepreneur that's right behind the entrepreneur that's interesting stuff to be human yeah like interesting stuff to be human yeah like interesting stuff to be human yeah like you you share that you know like I Shar you you share that you know like I Shar you you share that you know like I Shar the Tweet went too far but like we were the Tweet went too far but like we were the Tweet went too far but like we were cleaning the toilet because the toilet cleaning the toilet because the toilet cleaning the toilet because the toilet was clogged you know but like it's just

was clogged you know but like it's just was clogged you know but like it's just real stuff because Jansen hang the real stuff because Jansen hang the real stuff because Jansen hang the Nvidia guy he says he started cleaning Nvidia guy he says he started cleaning Nvidia guy he says he started cleaning toilets you know that was cool you you toilets you know that was cool you you toilets you know that was cool you you tweeted something about the the Denny's tweeted something about the the Denny's tweeted something about the the Denny's thing I forget yeah it was recent Nvidia thing I forget yeah it was recent Nvidia thing I forget yeah it was recent Nvidia was started in a Denny Diner uh table was started in a Denny Diner uh table was started in a Denny Diner uh table and you made it somehow profound you're and you made it somehow profound you're and you made it somehow profound you're almost yeah this one this one uh Nvidia almost yeah this one this one uh Nvidia almost yeah this one this one uh Nvidia three $3 trillion company was started in three $3 trillion company was started in three $3 trillion company was started in a Denny's an American Diner people need a Denny's an American Diner people need a Denny's an American Diner people need a third space to work on their laptops a third space to work on their laptops a third space to work on their laptops to build the next billion or trillion to build the next billion or trillion to build the next billion or trillion dollar company what's the first and dollar company what's the first and dollar company what's the first and second space the home office and the in second space the home office and the in second space the home office and the in between the island I guess yeah the between the island I guess yeah the between the island I guess yeah the island yeah you need a space to like island yeah you need a space to like island yeah you need a space to like congregate man and I found history on congregate man and I found history on congregate man and I found history on this so 400 years ago in the coffee hous this so 400 years ago in the coffee hous this so 400 years ago in the coffee hous of Europe the like the Scientific of Europe the like the Scientific of Europe the like the Scientific Revolution the enlightenment happened Revolution the enlightenment happened Revolution the enlightenment happened because they would go to coffee houses because they would go to coffee houses because they would go to coffee houses they would sit there they would drink they would sit there they would drink they would sit there they would drink coffee and they would work they would coffee and they would work they would coffee and they would work they would work they would write or they would and work they would write or they would and work they would write or they would and they would do debates and they would they would do debates and they would they would do debates and they would organize Marine routes right they would organize Marine routes right they would organize Marine routes right they would do all the stuff in coffee houses in do all the stuff in coffee houses in do all the stuff in coffee houses in Europe in France in Austria in UK in Europe in France in Austria in UK in Europe in France in Austria in UK in Holland so we would always be going to Holland so we would always be going to Holland so we would always be going to we were always going to cafes to to work we were always going to cafes to to work we were always going to cafes to to work and to have serendipitous conversations and to have serendipitous conversations and to have serendipitous conversations with other people and start businesses with other people and start businesses with other people and start businesses and stuff and when I like you asked me and stuff and when I like you asked me and stuff and when I like you asked me to come on here and we flew to America to come on here and we flew to America to come on here and we flew to America and the first thing I realized was that and the first thing I realized was that and the first thing I realized was that I've been to America before but but we I've been to America before but but we I've been to America before but but we were in this Cafe and like there's a lot were in this Cafe and like there's a lot were in this Cafe and like there's a lot of laptops everybody's working on of laptops everybody's working on of laptops everybody's working on something and I made I took this photo something and I made I took this photo something and I made I took this photo um and then when you're in Europe like um and then when you're in Europe like um and then when you're in Europe like large parts of Europe now you can't you large parts of Europe now you can't you large parts of Europe now you can't you cannot use a laptop anymore it's like no

cannot use a laptop anymore it's like no cannot use a laptop anymore it's like no laptop which I understand but that is to laptop which I understand but that is to laptop which I understand but that is to you a fundamental place to create shit you a fundamental place to create shit you a fundamental place to create shit is in that natural organic uh co-working is in that natural organic uh co-working is in that natural organic uh co-working space of a coffee for a lot of people a space of a coffee for a lot of people a space of a coffee for a lot of people a lot of people have very small homes and lot of people have very small homes and lot of people have very small homes and co-working spaces are kind of boring co-working spaces are kind of boring co-working spaces are kind of boring they're kind they're not very they're they're kind they're not very they're they're kind they're not very they're private they're not private they're not private they're not serendipitous kind of boring um cafes serendipitous kind of boring um cafes serendipitous kind of boring um cafes are amazing because they random people are amazing because they random people are amazing because they random people can come in and ask you what are you can come in and ask you what are you can come in and ask you what are you working on or you know and not just left working on or you know and not just left working on or you know and not just left those people are also having those people are also having those people are also having conversations like they did 400 years conversations like they did 400 years conversations like they did 400 years ago debates or whatever things are ago debates or whatever things are ago debates or whatever things are happening and man I understand the the happening and man I understand the the happening and man I understand the the Aesthetics of it like it's like oh Aesthetics of it like it's like oh Aesthetics of it like it's like oh startup bro shipping his uh bullshit startup bro shipping his uh bullshit startup bro shipping his uh bullshit startup you know startup you know startup you know like but there's something more there like but there's something more there like but there's something more there like there's people actually making like there's people actually making like there's people actually making stuff making new companies that the stuff making new companies that the stuff making new companies that the society benefits from like we're we're society benefits from like we're we're society benefits from like we're we're benefiting from Nvidia I think as the US benefiting from Nvidia I think as the US benefiting from Nvidia I think as the US GDP for sure is benefiting from Nvidia GDP for sure is benefiting from Nvidia GDP for sure is benefiting from Nvidia European GDP could benefit if we build European GDP could benefit if we build European GDP could benefit if we build more companies and I feel in Europe more companies and I feel in Europe more companies and I feel in Europe there's this Vibe and this you have to there's this Vibe and this you have to there's this Vibe and this you have to connect things but not not allowing connect things but not not allowing connect things but not not allowing laptops and cafes is kind of like part laptops and cafes is kind of like part laptops and cafes is kind of like part of the vibe which is like yeah we're not of the vibe which is like yeah we're not of the vibe which is like yeah we're not really here to work we're here to like really here to work we're here to like really here to work we're here to like enjoy life I agree with this Anthony enjoy life I agree with this Anthony enjoy life I agree with this Anthony bdan like this tweet was quote tweeted bdan like this tweet was quote tweeted bdan like this tweet was quote tweeted Anthony Bain photo with him with Anthony Bain photo with him with Anthony Bain photo with him with cigarettes and a coffee in France and he cigarettes and a coffee in France and he cigarettes and a coffee in France and he said that's this is what cafes are for I said that's this is what cafes are for I said that's this is what cafes are for I agree but there is some element of like agree but there is some element of like agree but there is some element of like entrepreneurship like you have to allow entrepreneurship like you have to allow entrepreneurship like you have to allow people to dream big and work their ass people to dream big and work their ass people to dream big and work their ass off to to towards that dream and then off to to towards that dream and then off to to towards that dream and then feel each other's energy as they feel each other's energy as they feel each other's energy as they interact with that's one of the things I interact with that's one of the things I interact with that's one of the things I liked in Silicon Valley when I was uh

liked in Silicon Valley when I was uh liked in Silicon Valley when I was uh working there is like the cafes like working there is like the cafes like working there is like the cafes like there's a bunch of dreamers that there there's a bunch of dreamers that there there's a bunch of dreamers that there you can make fun of them for like you can make fun of them for like you can make fun of them for like everybody thinks they're going to build everybody thinks they're going to build everybody thinks they're going to build a trillion dollar company but like yeah a trillion dollar company but like yeah a trillion dollar company but like yeah and it's a not everybody wins 99% of and it's a not everybody wins 99% of and it's a not everybody wins 99% of people will be bullshit but they working people will be bullshit but they working people will be bullshit but they working their ass off yeah they're doing their ass off yeah they're doing their ass off yeah they're doing something and and you need to past this something and and you need to past this something and and you need to past this startup bro like oh it's startup Lev no startup bro like oh it's startup Lev no startup bro like oh it's startup Lev no it's not it's people making cool shit it's not it's people making cool shit it's not it's people making cool shit yeah and this will benefit you because yeah and this will benefit you because yeah and this will benefit you because this will create jobs for your com your this will create jobs for your com your this will create jobs for your com your your country in your region and I think your country in your region and I think your country in your region and I think in Europe um that's a big problem like in Europe um that's a big problem like in Europe um that's a big problem like we have a very we have a very we have a very anti- um entrepreneurial mind dream big anti- um entrepreneurial mind dream big anti- um entrepreneurial mind dream big and build shit this is really inspiring and build shit this is really inspiring and build shit this is really inspiring this is pin tweet of yours all the this is pin tweet of yours all the this is pin tweet of yours all the projects that you've tried and the ones projects that you've tried and the ones projects that you've tried and the ones that that that succeeded has very few mute life it was succeeded has very few mute life it was succeeded has very few mute life it was for Twitter to mute uh to share the mute for Twitter to mute uh to share the mute for Twitter to mute uh to share the mute list your uh mute words fire calculator list your uh mute words fire calculator list your uh mute words fire calculator no more Google maker rank how much is my no more Google maker rank how much is my no more Google maker rank how much is my site project worth climate finder ideas site project worth climate finder ideas site project worth climate finder ideas AI Airline list still runs but it's AI Airline list still runs but it's AI Airline list still runs but it's doesn't make money Airline list like doesn't make money Airline list like doesn't make money Airline list like compares the safety of Airlines CU I was compares the safety of Airlines CU I was compares the safety of Airlines CU I was nervous to fly so I was like let's nervous to fly so I was like let's nervous to fly so I was like let's collect all the data on crashes for all collect all the data on crashes for all collect all the data on crashes for all the airplanes BC cable nice that's the airplanes BC cable nice that's the airplanes BC cable nice that's awesome uh Village NORAD gear 3D and awesome uh Village NORAD gear 3D and awesome uh Village NORAD gear 3D and virtual reality Dev play play my inbox virtual reality Dev play play my inbox virtual reality Dev play play my inbox like you mentioned there's a lot of like you mentioned there's a lot of like you mentioned there's a lot of stuff yeah man I'm trying to find some stuff yeah man I'm trying to find some stuff yeah man I'm trying to find some embarrassing tweets of yours you can go embarrassing tweets of yours you can go embarrassing tweets of yours you can go to the highlights tab it has all the to the highlights tab it has all the to the highlights tab it has all the like the good shit kind of there you go

like the good shit kind of there you go like the good shit kind of there you go this was Dubai POV building an AI this was Dubai POV building an AI this was Dubai POV building an AI startup wow you're a real startup wow you're a real startup wow you're a real influencer and people copy this photo influencer and people copy this photo influencer and people copy this photo now and they they change the screenshots now and they they change the screenshots now and they they change the screenshots it becomes like a meme of course you it becomes like a meme of course you it becomes like a meme of course you know know know this is good this how Dubai looks it's this is good this how Dubai looks it's this is good this how Dubai looks it's insane that's beautiful architecture insane that's beautiful architecture insane that's beautiful architecture wise it's crazy the story is behind this wise it's crazy the story is behind this wise it's crazy the story is behind this story behind for sure so this is about story behind for sure so this is about story behind for sure so this is about the European economy where like European the European economy where like European the European economy where like European economy landscape is ran by dinosaurs economy landscape is ran by dinosaurs economy landscape is ran by dinosaurs and today I studied it so I can produce and today I studied it so I can produce and today I studied it so I can produce you with my evidence 80% of top EU you with my evidence 80% of top EU you with my evidence 80% of top EU companies were founded before 1950 only companies were founded before 1950 only companies were founded before 1950 only 36% of top us companies were founded 36% of top us companies were founded 36% of top us companies were founded before 1950 yeah so the median founding before 1950 yeah so the median founding before 1950 yeah so the median founding of companies in US is something like of companies in US is something like of companies in US is something like 1960 and IM Med median the top companies 1960 and IM Med median the top companies 1960 and IM Med median the top companies right and IM median in Europe is like right and IM median in Europe is like right and IM median in Europe is like 1900 or something yeah so it's um here 1900 or something yeah so it's um here 1900 or something yeah so it's um here 1914 and 1963 so there a 50-year 1914 and 1963 so there a 50-year 1914 and 1963 so there a 50-year difference it's a good um representation difference it's a good um representation difference it's a good um representation of the very thing you were talking about of the very thing you were talking about of the very thing you were talking about the diff difference in the cultures the diff difference in the cultures the diff difference in the cultures entrepreneurial Spirit of the peoples entrepreneurial Spirit of the peoples entrepreneurial Spirit of the peoples but Europe used to be entrepreneurial but Europe used to be entrepreneurial but Europe used to be entrepreneurial like there was companies found in 1800 like there was companies found in 1800 like there was companies found in 1800 1850 1900 it flipped like around 1950 1850 1900 it flipped like around 1950 1850 1900 it flipped like around 1950 where America took the lead and uh and I where America took the lead and uh and I where America took the lead and uh and I guess my point is like I hope that guess my point is like I hope that guess my point is like I hope that Europe gets back to because I'm European Europe gets back to because I'm European Europe gets back to because I'm European I hope that Europe gets back to being an I hope that Europe gets back to being an I hope that Europe gets back to being an entrepreneurial culture where they build entrepreneurial culture where they build entrepreneurial culture where they build big companies again because right now big companies again because right now big companies again because right now the all the old dinosaur companies the all the old dinosaur companies the all the old dinosaur companies control the economies they're lobbying control the economies they're lobbying control the economies they're lobbying with the government they're Europe is with the government they're Europe is with the government they're Europe is also that's like they're infiltrated

also that's like they're infiltrated also that's like they're infiltrated with the government where they create so with the government where they create so with the government where they create so much regulation like I think it's called much regulation like I think it's called much regulation like I think it's called regulatory capture right where it's very regulatory capture right where it's very regulatory capture right where it's very hard for a newcomer to join to enter an hard for a newcomer to join to enter an hard for a newcomer to join to enter an industry because there's too much industry because there's too much industry because there's too much regulation so actually regulation is regulation so actually regulation is regulation so actually regulation is very good for big companies because they very good for big companies because they very good for big companies because they can follow it I can't follow it right if can follow it I can't follow it right if can follow it I can't follow it right if I want to start a AI startup in Europe I want to start a AI startup in Europe I want to start a AI startup in Europe now I cannot because there's an AI now I cannot because there's an AI now I cannot because there's an AI regulation that makes it very regulation that makes it very regulation that makes it very complicated for me I probably need to complicated for me I probably need to complicated for me I probably need to get like notaries involved I need to get get like notaries involved I need to get get like notaries involved I need to get certificates certificates certificates licenses um whereas in America I can licenses um whereas in America I can licenses um whereas in America I can just open my laptop I can started AI just open my laptop I can started AI just open my laptop I can started AI started right now um mostly you know started right now um mostly you know started right now um mostly you know what do you think about eak effective what do you think about eak effective what do you think about eak effective accelerationist movement man you had accelerationist movement man you had accelerationist movement man you had Beth jzos on I I love Beth jzos and um Beth jzos on I I love Beth jzos and um Beth jzos on I I love Beth jzos and um he's amazing and I think iok is is very he's amazing and I think iok is is very he's amazing and I think iok is is very needed to similarly create a more needed to similarly create a more needed to similarly create a more positive uh outlook on the future like positive uh outlook on the future like positive uh outlook on the future like because people people have been very because people people have been very because people people have been very pessimistic um about Society about the pessimistic um about Society about the pessimistic um about Society about the future of society um you know climate future of society um you know climate future of society um you know climate change all this stuff uh eok is like is change all this stuff uh eok is like is change all this stuff uh eok is like is a positive outlook in the future it's a positive outlook in the future it's a positive outlook in the future it's like technology can make us you know we like technology can make us you know we like technology can make us you know we need to spend more energy we should find need to spend more energy we should find need to spend more energy we should find ways to of course get like clean energy ways to of course get like clean energy ways to of course get like clean energy but we need to spend more energy to make but we need to spend more energy to make but we need to spend more energy to make cooler stuff and you know go into space cooler stuff and you know go into space cooler stuff and you know go into space and build more technology that can and build more technology that can and build more technology that can improve society and we shouldn't shy improve society and we shouldn't shy improve society and we shouldn't shy away from technology technology can be away from technology technology can be away from technology technology can be the answer for many things yeah build the answer for many things yeah build the answer for many things yeah build more don't spend so much time on uh more don't spend so much time on uh more don't spend so much time on uh fear-mongering and cautiousness and all fear-mongering and cautiousness and all fear-mongering and cautiousness and all this kind of stuff some is okay some was this kind of stuff some is okay some was this kind of stuff some is okay some was good but most of the time should be

good but most of the time should be good but most of the time should be spent on building and creating on like spent on building and creating on like spent on building and creating on like and doing so unapologetically it's a and doing so unapologetically it's a and doing so unapologetically it's a it's a refreshing reminder what made it's a refreshing reminder what made it's a refreshing reminder what made United States great is all the builders United States great is all the builders United States great is all the builders like you said the entrepreneurs like we like you said the entrepreneurs like we like you said the entrepreneurs like we can't forget that in in all the sort of can't forget that in in all the sort of can't forget that in in all the sort of discussions of how things could go wrong discussions of how things could go wrong discussions of how things could go wrong with technology and all this kind of with technology and all this kind of with technology and all this kind of stuff yeah it goes SC look at China stuff yeah it goes SC look at China stuff yeah it goes SC look at China China is now at the stage of like China is now at the stage of like China is now at the stage of like America what like 1900 or something America what like 1900 or something America what like 1900 or something they're building rapidly like insane and they're building rapidly like insane and they're building rapidly like insane and obviously China has massive problems but obviously China has massive problems but obviously China has massive problems but that comes with the whole thing that that comes with the whole thing that that comes with the whole thing that comes America and this beginning also comes America and this beginning also comes America and this beginning also massive problems right massive problems right massive problems right um um um but I think it's very very dangerous for but I think it's very very dangerous for but I think it's very very dangerous for a country or region like Europe to you a country or region like Europe to you a country or region like Europe to you you you get to this point where you're you you get to this point where you're you you get to this point where you're kind of complacent you're kind of kind of complacent you're kind of kind of complacent you're kind of comfort comfort comfort and then you know you can either go this and then you know you can either go this and then you know you can either go this or you can go this way right you're from or you can go this way right you're from or you can go this way right you're from here you go like this and then you can here you go like this and then you can here you go like this and then you can go this or this I think you should go go this or this I think you should go go this or this I think you should go this way and uh OB yeah go up and and this way and uh OB yeah go up and and this way and uh OB yeah go up and and uh I think it's the problem is the the uh I think it's the problem is the the uh I think it's the problem is the the the Mind culture so eok I made eok which the Mind culture so eok I made eok which the Mind culture so eok I made eok which is like the European kind of version um is like the European kind of version um is like the European kind of version um I made like hoodies and stuff so a lot I made like hoodies and stuff so a lot I made like hoodies and stuff so a lot of people wear like this this make your of people wear like this this make your of people wear like this this make your grade again head um I made it red first grade again head um I made it red first grade again head um I made it red first but it became too like Trump so now it's but it became too like Trump so now it's but it became too like Trump so now it's more like you're being blue you know more like you're being blue you know more like you're being blue you know make Europe great make Europe great make Europe great again all right again all right again all right um okay so you had a incredible um okay so you had a incredible um okay so you had a incredible life very successful built a lot of cool life very successful built a lot of cool life very successful built a lot of cool stuff so what advice would you give to stuff so what advice would you give to stuff so what advice would you give to young people about how to do the same young people about how to do the same young people about how to do the same man I would listen to like nobody just man I would listen to like nobody just man I would listen to like nobody just do what you think is good and follow

do what you think is good and follow do what you think is good and follow your heart right like uh everybody peer your heart right like uh everybody peer your heart right like uh everybody peer presses you into doing stuff you don't presses you into doing stuff you don't presses you into doing stuff you don't want to do and like they tell you like want to do and like they tell you like want to do and like they tell you like parents or family and society and tell parents or family and society and tell parents or family and society and tell you but like try your own thing you know you but like try your own thing you know you but like try your own thing you know because it probably it might work out because it probably it might work out because it probably it might work out you can you can steer the ship you know you can you can steer the ship you know you can you can steer the ship you know it probably doesn't work out immediately it probably doesn't work out immediately it probably doesn't work out immediately you probably go into very bad times like you probably go into very bad times like you probably go into very bad times like I did as well relatively right but in I did as well relatively right but in I did as well relatively right but in the end if you're smart about it you can the end if you're smart about it you can the end if you're smart about it you can make things work and you you can create make things work and you you can create make things work and you you can create your own little life of things as you your own little life of things as you your own little life of things as you did you know as I did and I think that did you know as I did and I think that did you know as I did and I think that should be more promoted like Do Your Own should be more promoted like Do Your Own should be more promoted like Do Your Own Thing there's space in economy and in Thing there's space in economy and in Thing there's space in economy and in society for do your own thing you know society for do your own thing you know society for do your own thing you know yeah it's like um you know like little yeah it's like um you know like little yeah it's like um you know like little Villages everybody would sell I would Villages everybody would sell I would Villages everybody would sell I would sell bread you would sell meat every can sell bread you would sell meat every can sell bread you would sell meat every can do their own little thing you don't need do their own little thing you don't need do their own little thing you don't need to you know be a Normy as you say you to you know be a Normy as you say you to you know be a Normy as you say you you you um you can you can be what you you you um you can you can be what you you you um you can you can be what you really want to be you know and like go really want to be you know and like go really want to be you know and like go all out doing that thing yeah you got to all out doing that thing yeah you got to all out doing that thing yeah you got to go all out cuz if you do if you have go all out cuz if you do if you have go all out cuz if you do if you have assets you cannot succeed you got you assets you cannot succeed you got you assets you cannot succeed you got you need to go lean into the to the outcast need to go lean into the to the outcast need to go lean into the to the outcast stuff lean into the um being different stuff lean into the um being different stuff lean into the um being different and and just doing whatever it is that and and just doing whatever it is that and and just doing whatever it is that you want to do right you got a whole you want to do right you got a whole you want to do right you got a whole asset yeah asset yeah asset yeah yet this was an incredible conversation yet this was an incredible conversation yet this was an incredible conversation it was an honor to finally meet you it it was an honor to finally meet you it it was an honor to finally meet you it was honor to be to talk to you and uh was honor to be to talk to you and uh was honor to be to talk to you and uh keep doing your thing keep inspiring me keep doing your thing keep inspiring me keep doing your thing keep inspiring me and uh the world with all the cool stuff and uh the world with all the cool stuff and uh the world with all the cool stuff you're building thank you Matt thanks you're building thank you Matt thanks you're building thank you Matt thanks for listening to this conversation with for listening to this conversation with for listening to this conversation with Peter levels to support this podcast Peter levels to support this podcast Peter levels to support this podcast please check out our sponsors in the please check out our sponsors in the please check out our sponsors in the description and now let me leave you

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