Duncan Trussell: Comedy, Sentient Robots, Suffering, Love & Burning Man | Lex Fridman Podcast #312

if this is a super intelligence if it's if this is a super intelligence if it's folding proteins and analyzing like all folding proteins and analyzing like all folding proteins and analyzing like all data sets and all whatever they give it data sets and all whatever they give it data sets and all whatever they give it access to how can we be certain that access to how can we be certain that access to how can we be certain that it's not going to figure out how to get it's not going to figure out how to get it's not going to figure out how to get itself itself itself out of the cloud how to store itself in out of the cloud how to store itself in out of the cloud how to store itself in other like mediums trees the optic nerve other like mediums trees the optic nerve other like mediums trees the optic nerve the brain you know what i mean we don't the brain you know what i mean we don't the brain you know what i mean we don't know that we don't know that it won't know that we don't know that it won't know that we don't know that it won't leap out and like start hanging like and leap out and like start hanging like and leap out and like start hanging like and then at that point now we do have the then at that point now we do have the then at that point now we do have the wildfire now you can't stop it you can't wildfire now you can't stop it you can't wildfire now you can't stop it you can't unplug it you can't shut your servers unplug it you can't shut your servers unplug it you can't shut your servers down because it left the box it left the down because it left the box it left the down because it left the box it left the room using some technology you haven't room using some technology you haven't room using some technology you haven't even discovered yet how fucking cool even discovered yet how fucking cool even discovered yet how fucking cool would that be for like the men in black would that be for like the men in black would that be for like the men in black to come to me like listen to come to me like listen to come to me like listen i need you to infiltrate the fucking i need you to infiltrate the fucking i need you to infiltrate the fucking comedy scene the following is a conversation with the following is a conversation with duncan trussell a stand-up comedian host duncan trussell a stand-up comedian host duncan trussell a stand-up comedian host of the duncan trussell family hour of the duncan trussell family hour of the duncan trussell family hour podcast and one of my favorite human podcast and one of my favorite human podcast and one of my favorite human beings i've been a fan of his for many beings i've been a fan of his for many beings i've been a fan of his for many years so it was a huge honor and years so it was a huge honor and years so it was a huge honor and pleasure to meet him for the first time pleasure to meet him for the first time pleasure to meet him for the first time and to sit down for this chat and to sit down for this chat and to sit down for this chat this is the lex freedom podcast to this is the lex freedom podcast to this is the lex freedom podcast to support it please check out our sponsors support it please check out our sponsors support it please check out our sponsors in the description and now dear friends in the description and now dear friends in the description and now dear friends here's duncan trussell here's duncan trussell here's duncan trussell nietzsche has this thought experiment nietzsche has this thought experiment nietzsche has this thought experiment called eternal recurrence called eternal recurrence called eternal recurrence where you where you where you get to relive your whole life over and get to relive your whole life over and get to relive your whole life over and over and over and over and i think it's over and over and over and i think it's over and over and over and i think it's a way to a way to a way to bring to the surface of your mind the bring to the surface of your mind the bring to the surface of your mind the idea that every single moment in your idea that every single moment in your idea that every single moment in your life matters it intensely matters the

life matters it intensely matters the life matters it intensely matters the bad and the good and he kind of wants bad and the good and he kind of wants bad and the good and he kind of wants you to you to you to imagine that idea that every single imagine that idea that every single imagine that idea that every single decision you make throughout your life decision you make throughout your life decision you make throughout your life you repeat over and over and over and he you repeat over and over and over and he you repeat over and over and over and he wants you to respond to that do you feel wants you to respond to that do you feel wants you to respond to that do you feel horrible about that or do you feel good horrible about that or do you feel good horrible about that or do you feel good about that and you have to about that and you have to about that and you have to think through this idea in order to see think through this idea in order to see think through this idea in order to see where you stand in life how you what is where you stand in life how you what is where you stand in life how you what is your relationship like with life i your relationship like with life i your relationship like with life i actually want to read his the way he actually want to read his the way he actually want to read his the way he first introduces that concept first introduces that concept first introduces that concept for people who are not familiar for people who are not familiar for people who are not familiar what if some day or night a demon by the what if some day or night a demon by the what if some day or night a demon by the way he has a demon introduced this way he has a demon introduced this way he has a demon introduced this thought experiment thought experiment thought experiment what if some day or night a demon were what if some day or night a demon were what if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest to steal after you into your loneliest to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness and say to you loneliness and say to you loneliness and say to you quote this life as you now live it and quote this life as you now live it and quote this life as you now live it and have lived it you will have to live once have lived it you will have to live once have lived it you will have to live once more and innumerable times more and more and innumerable times more and more and innumerable times more and there will be nothing new in it but there will be nothing new in it but there will be nothing new in it but every pain and every joy and every every pain and every joy and every every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything thought and sigh and everything thought and sigh and everything unutterably small and great in your life unutterably small and great in your life unutterably small and great in your life will have to return to you all in the will have to return to you all in the will have to return to you all in the same succession and sequence same succession and sequence same succession and sequence would you not throw yourself down and would you not throw yourself down and would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who gnash your teeth and curse the demon who gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus spoke thus spoke thus or or or have you once experienced the tremendous have you once experienced the tremendous have you once experienced the tremendous moment when you would have answered him moment when you would have answered him moment when you would have answered him you are a god and never have i heard you are a god and never have i heard you are a god and never have i heard anything more divine anything more divine anything more divine so are you terrified or excited about so are you terrified or excited about so are you terrified or excited about such a thought experiment when you such a thought experiment when you such a thought experiment when you applied to your own life excited applied to your own life excited applied to your own life excited excited oh even the dark stuff oh yeah

excited oh even the dark stuff oh yeah excited oh even the dark stuff oh yeah for sure definitely i mean also for sure definitely i mean also for sure definitely i mean also that thing you're talking about it he that thing you're talking about it he that thing you're talking about it he he kind of leaves out he kind of leaves out he kind of leaves out maybe on purpose because the thought maybe on purpose because the thought maybe on purpose because the thought experiment starts falling apart a little experiment starts falling apart a little experiment starts falling apart a little bit yeah the amnesia between each loop bit yeah the amnesia between each loop bit yeah the amnesia between each loop so so so you know the whole thing gets wiped now you know the whole thing gets wiped now you know the whole thing gets wiped now if the amnesia wasn't there and yet if the amnesia wasn't there and yet if the amnesia wasn't there and yet somehow you were somehow you were somehow you were witnessing the non-autonomy witnessing the non-autonomy witnessing the non-autonomy implicit in what he's talking about so implicit in what he's talking about so implicit in what he's talking about so you have to kind of watch yourself go you have to kind of watch yourself go you have to kind of watch yourself go through this rotten loop then yeah through this rotten loop then yeah through this rotten loop then yeah that's a description there's probably a that's a description there's probably a that's a description there's probably a boredom that comes into that so you boredom that comes into that so you boredom that comes into that so you don't experience everything anew exactly don't experience everything anew exactly don't experience everything anew exactly the best stuff the good stuff the the best stuff the good stuff the the best stuff the good stuff the newness of it is really important that's newness of it is really important that's newness of it is really important that's it yeah this is the uh it yeah this is the uh it yeah this is the uh in the in hades when you die in the in hades when you die in the in hades when you die you you you there's a river i think it's called leaf there's a river i think it's called leaf there's a river i think it's called leaf you ever heard of this l-e-t-h-e you you ever heard of this l-e-t-h-e you you ever heard of this l-e-t-h-e you drink from it and you don't remember drink from it and you don't remember drink from it and you don't remember your past lives and then when you're your past lives and then when you're your past lives and then when you're reborn it's fresh and you don't have to reborn it's fresh and you don't have to reborn it's fresh and you don't have to i mean just think of like the amount of i mean just think of like the amount of i mean just think of like the amount of psychological help you would need to get psychological help you would need to get psychological help you would need to get over all the bullshit that happened in over all the bullshit that happened in over all the bullshit that happened in prior lives prior lives prior lives you know can you imagine if you're still you know can you imagine if you're still you know can you imagine if you're still resentful of something someone did to resentful of something someone did to resentful of something someone did to you in the 14th century you in the 14th century you in the 14th century but it would it would compound well if but it would it would compound well if but it would it would compound well if you repeat the same thing over and over you repeat the same thing over and over you repeat the same thing over and over and over and over and over there would be no difference maybe you there would be no difference maybe you there would be no difference maybe you would start to appreciate the nuances would start to appreciate the nuances would start to appreciate the nuances more like when you watch the same movie more like when you watch the same movie more like when you watch the same movie over and over and over yeah maybe you'll over and over and over yeah maybe you'll over and over and over yeah maybe you'll get to get to get to actually actually actually um um um let go of this idea of all the possible

let go of this idea of all the possible let go of this idea of all the possible all the positive possibilities that lay all the positive possibilities that lay all the positive possibilities that lay before you but actually enjoy the moment before you but actually enjoy the moment before you but actually enjoy the moment much more if you remember that you've much more if you remember that you've much more if you remember that you've lived this life a thousand times all the lived this life a thousand times all the lived this life a thousand times all the little things the way somebody smiles little things the way somebody smiles little things the way somebody smiles uh if you're been abused the way uh if you're been abused the way uh if you're been abused the way somebody like the pain of it somebody like the pain of it somebody like the pain of it the the suffering the down that you feel the the suffering the down that you feel the the suffering the down that you feel the experience of sadness depression the experience of sadness depression the experience of sadness depression fear all that kind of stuff you get to fear all that kind of stuff you get to fear all that kind of stuff you get to really really really uh yeah you get to also appreciate that uh yeah you get to also appreciate that uh yeah you get to also appreciate that that's part of life yeah part of being a that's part of life yeah part of being a that's part of life yeah part of being a life life life now also in his experiment if i was now also in his experiment if i was now also in his experiment if i was gonna and i love the experiment from the gonna and i love the experiment from the gonna and i love the experiment from the perspective of like just where perspective of like just where perspective of like just where technology is now and simulation theory technology is now and simulation theory technology is now and simulation theory and stuff like that but and stuff like that but and stuff like that but in that in that thought experiment if in that in that thought experiment if in that in that thought experiment if this rotten demon this rotten demon this rotten demon immediately killed you immediately killed you immediately killed you then within that it's a little more then within that it's a little more then within that it's a little more horrifying because even in the horrifying because even in the horrifying because even in the first of all you're trusting a fucking first of all you're trusting a fucking first of all you're trusting a fucking demon why are you talking to a demon demon why are you talking to a demon demon why are you talking to a demon yeah start there yeah because that is yeah start there yeah because that is yeah start there yeah because that is going to be even before i get into like going to be even before i get into like going to be even before i get into like the metaphysics and like the the metaphysics and like the the metaphysics and like the implications and where is this life implications and where is this life implications and where is this life stored where's the loop stored i mean stored where's the loop stored i mean stored where's the loop stored i mean are we talking about some kind of are we talking about some kind of are we talking about some kind of unchanging data set or something before unchanging data set or something before unchanging data set or something before that you're like why is there a fucking that you're like why is there a fucking that you're like why is there a fucking talking demon in my room trying to freak talking demon in my room trying to freak talking demon in my room trying to freak me out me out me out you're going to want to autopsy the you're going to want to autopsy the you're going to want to autopsy the demon can you catch it does this apply demon can you catch it does this apply demon can you catch it does this apply to you demon and again obviously it's a to you demon and again obviously it's a to you demon and again obviously it's a fucking thought experiment nietzsche fucking thought experiment nietzsche fucking thought experiment nietzsche would be annoyed by me but i think like would be annoyed by me but i think like would be annoyed by me but i think like you would still be able to entertain you would still be able to entertain you would still be able to entertain the the the joy you'd have the joy of not knowing joy you'd have the joy of not knowing joy you'd have the joy of not knowing what's around the corner you know still what's around the corner you know still what's around the corner you know still it's not like you know what's coming it's not like you know what's coming it's not like you know what's coming just because the demon said some kind of just because the demon said some kind of just because the demon said some kind of loop in other words the idea of being

loop in other words the idea of being loop in other words the idea of being damned to your past decisions damned to your past decisions damned to your past decisions it doesn't even work because you can't it doesn't even work because you can't it doesn't even work because you can't remember what decisions you're about to remember what decisions you're about to remember what decisions you're about to make make make so from from that perspective also i so from from that perspective also i so from from that perspective also i think i'd be happy about it or i would think i'd be happy about it or i would think i'd be happy about it or i would just think oh cool i mean it's a good just think oh cool i mean it's a good just think oh cool i mean it's a good story i'm gonna tell people about how story i'm gonna tell people about how story i'm gonna tell people about how this i wonder what the demon would this i wonder what the demon would this i wonder what the demon would actually look like in real life because actually look like in real life because actually look like in real life because i suspect it would look like i suspect it would look like i suspect it would look like like a charming like a friend like a charming like a friend like a charming like a friend wouldn't wouldn't they be a loved one wouldn't wouldn't they be a loved one wouldn't wouldn't they be a loved one wouldn't the demon come to you wouldn't the demon come to you wouldn't the demon come to you through the mechanism through the front through the mechanism through the front through the mechanism through the front door of love not to the back door door of love not to the back door door of love not to the back door of evil of evil of evil like malevolent manipulation sure i mean like malevolent manipulation sure i mean like malevolent manipulation sure i mean if it's the truth if it's the truth if it's the truth if it's the truth then that's if it's the truth then that's if it's the truth then that's whether it's love or not it's still good whether it's love or not it's still good whether it's love or not it's still good fundamentally fundamentally fundamentally i do like the idea of the memory replay i do like the idea of the memory replay i do like the idea of the memory replay uh i remember i went to a newer link uh i remember i went to a newer link uh i remember i went to a newer link event a few years ago event a few years ago event a few years ago and got to hang out with elon and got to hang out with elon and got to hang out with elon i remember how visceral it is that i remember how visceral it is that i remember how visceral it is that there's like a pig there's like a pig there's like a pig with the neural link with the neural link with the neural link in it in it in it and you're talking about memory replays and you're talking about memory replays and you're talking about memory replays as a future maybe far future possibility as a future maybe far future possibility as a future maybe far future possibility and you realize well this is a very and you realize well this is a very and you realize well this is a very meaningful moment in my life meaningful moment in my life meaningful moment in my life this could be a replay like of all the this could be a replay like of all the this could be a replay like of all the things you replay it's probably things you replay it's probably things you replay it's probably you know there's certain magical moments you know there's certain magical moments you know there's certain magical moments in your life whatever whatever it is in your life whatever whatever it is in your life whatever whatever it is certain people you've met for the first certain people you've met for the first certain people you've met for the first time or time or time or certain things you've done for the first certain things you've done for the first certain things you've done for the first time with certain people or not just an time with certain people or not just an time with certain people or not just an awesome thing you did and i remember awesome thing you did and i remember awesome thing you did and i remember just saying to him like i would probably

just saying to him like i would probably just saying to him like i would probably want to replay this want to replay this want to replay this at at at this moment and yeah it just seemed very this moment and yeah it just seemed very this moment and yeah it just seemed very kind of kind of kind of i mean there was a recursive nature to i mean there was a recursive nature to i mean there was a recursive nature to it but it seemed it but it seemed it but it seemed very real that this is something you'd very real that this is something you'd very real that this is something you'd want to do with that want to do with that want to do with that the richness of life could be the richness of life could be the richness of life could be experienced through the replay that's experienced through the replay that's experienced through the replay that's probably where it's experienced the most probably where it's experienced the most probably where it's experienced the most like you could see life as a way to like you could see life as a way to like you could see life as a way to collect a bunch of cool memories and collect a bunch of cool memories and collect a bunch of cool memories and then you get to sit back in your nice vr then you get to sit back in your nice vr then you get to sit back in your nice vr headset and replay the cool ones that's headset and replay the cool ones that's headset and replay the cool ones that's right this is in buddhism you know the right this is in buddhism you know the right this is in buddhism you know the the idea that like i struggle with is the idea that like i struggle with is the idea that like i struggle with is that there's a possibility of not that there's a possibility of not that there's a possibility of not reincarnating of not coming back that's reincarnating of not coming back that's reincarnating of not coming back that's the idea like you this is the this is the idea like you this is the this is the idea like you this is the this is suffering here the suffering is caused suffering here the suffering is caused suffering here the suffering is caused by attachment and so by attachment and so by attachment and so if you like revise if you like revise if you like revise the idea of reincarnation or the idea of reincarnation or the idea of reincarnation or the the the nietzsche's loop nietzsche's loop nietzsche's loop and look at it from and look at it from and look at it from could this be possible or how would this could this be possible or how would this could this be possible or how would this be possible technologically be possible technologically be possible technologically then then then to me it makes a lot of sense like i've to me it makes a lot of sense like i've to me it makes a lot of sense like i've been thinking a lot about this very been thinking a lot about this very been thinking a lot about this very thing and that nietzsche's idea thing and that nietzsche's idea thing and that nietzsche's idea connecting to it i had this like connecting to it i had this like connecting to it i had this like it sounds so dumb but i was at the it sounds so dumb but i was at the it sounds so dumb but i was at the dentist getting nitrous oxide dentist getting nitrous oxide dentist getting nitrous oxide high as a fucking kite man and i had high as a fucking kite man and i had high as a fucking kite man and i had this idea this idea this idea i was thinking about data i was thinking i was thinking about data i was thinking i was thinking about data i was thinking like like like man probably if i had to bet there's man probably if i had to bet there's man probably if i had to bet there's some energetic form that we're not aware

some energetic form that we're not aware some energetic form that we're not aware of that for a super advanced technology of that for a super advanced technology of that for a super advanced technology would be as would be as would be as detectable as like starlight but detectable as like starlight but detectable as like starlight but something that we just don't even know something that we just don't even know something that we just don't even know what it is what it is what it is quantum turbulence who the fuck knows quantum turbulence who the fuck knows quantum turbulence who the fuck knows fill in the blank whatever that x may be fill in the blank whatever that x may be fill in the blank whatever that x may be but assuming that exists that somehow but assuming that exists that somehow but assuming that exists that somehow data even the most subtle things the data even the most subtle things the data even the most subtle things the tiniest movements whatever it may be the tiniest movements whatever it may be the tiniest movements whatever it may be the emanations of your neurological process emanations of your neurological process emanations of your neurological process energetically whatever it may be is energetically whatever it may be is energetically whatever it may be is radiating out into space-time radiating out into space-time radiating out into space-time then then then what if like the james webb version of what if like the james webb version of what if like the james webb version of this for some advanced civilization is this for some advanced civilization is this for some advanced civilization is not that they're like looking at the not that they're like looking at the not that they're like looking at the nebula or whatever but they're actually nebula or whatever but they're actually nebula or whatever but they're actually able to peer into the past and via some able to peer into the past and via some able to peer into the past and via some bizarre technology recreate whatever bizarre technology recreate whatever bizarre technology recreate whatever life simulate whatever life was life simulate whatever life was life simulate whatever life was happening there just by decoding that happening there just by decoding that happening there just by decoding that quantum energy whatever it is i'm only quantum energy whatever it is i'm only quantum energy whatever it is i'm only saying quantum because it's what dumb saying quantum because it's what dumb saying quantum because it's what dumb people say when they don't know you just people say when they don't know you just people say when they don't know you just they want them i don't know but you know they want them i don't know but you know they want them i don't know but you know you're decoding that so meaning you know you're decoding that so meaning you know you're decoding that so meaning you know in simulation theory one of the big in simulation theory one of the big in simulation theory one of the big questions that pops up is questions that pops up is questions that pops up is why and are we in one and why and are we in one and why and are we in one and elon has talked about well it's probably elon has talked about well it's probably elon has talked about well it's probably more of a probability than we're in one more of a probability than we're in one more of a probability than we're in one then we're not in which case what you're then we're not in which case what you're then we're not in which case what you're talking about talking about talking about is actually happening that that loop is actually happening that that loop is actually happening that that loop you're talking about it's we've decided you're talking about it's we've decided you're talking about it's we've decided to be here we this of all the things to be here we this of all the things to be here we this of all the things we decided this one oh let's do that one we decided this one oh let's do that one we decided this one oh let's do that one again i want to do that one let's try again i want to do that one let's try again i want to do that one let's try let's do that that's let's do that that's let's do that that's i love thinking about this because i got

i love thinking about this because i got i love thinking about this because i got i love my family yeah and it makes sense i love my family yeah and it makes sense i love my family yeah and it makes sense to me that if i'm going to replay some to me that if i'm going to replay some to me that if i'm going to replay some life or another it's definitely going to life or another it's definitely going to life or another it's definitely going to be this one with my kids my wife with be this one with my kids my wife with be this one with my kids my wife with all the bullshit that's gone along with all the bullshit that's gone along with all the bullshit that's gone along with it i'm still going to want to come back it i'm still going to want to come back it i'm still going to want to come back so in buddhism that's attachment so in buddhism that's attachment so in buddhism that's attachment yeah but you weren't the one or you're yeah but you weren't the one or you're yeah but you weren't the one or you're saying you're the main player you're not saying you're the main player you're not saying you're the main player you're not the mpc well i think we're dealing with the mpc well i think we're dealing with the mpc well i think we're dealing with all npcs at this point i mean depending all npcs at this point i mean depending all npcs at this point i mean depending on how you want to like very i would say on how you want to like very i would say on how you want to like very i would say very advanced npcs like incredibly very advanced npcs like incredibly very advanced npcs like incredibly advanced advanced advanced npcs compared to uh fallout or something npcs compared to uh fallout or something npcs compared to uh fallout or something you know we've got a lot of conversation you know we've got a lot of conversation you know we've got a lot of conversation options happening here options happening here options happening here there's not like four things you can there's not like four things you can there's not like four things you can pick from yeah but there's a whole uh pick from yeah but there's a whole uh pick from yeah but there's a whole uh illusion of free will that's happening illusion of free will that's happening illusion of free will that's happening we really do depending where you are in we really do depending where you are in we really do depending where you are in the world feel like you're free to the world feel like you're free to the world feel like you're free to decide any trajectory in your life that decide any trajectory in your life that decide any trajectory in your life that you want which is pretty funny right for you want which is pretty funny right for you want which is pretty funny right for an npc is pretty it's nice well you're an npc is pretty it's nice well you're an npc is pretty it's nice well you're gonna want that if we're making a video gonna want that if we're making a video gonna want that if we're making a video game you do want to give your npcs the game you do want to give your npcs the game you do want to give your npcs the illusion of free will because it's going illusion of free will because it's going illusion of free will because it's going to make interactions with him that's to make interactions with him that's to make interactions with him that's that much more intense yeah yeah so i wonder on the path to that so i wonder on the path to that so i wonder on the path to that how how hard is it to create this is the how how hard is it to create this is the how how hard is it to create this is the sort of the carmack question of um sort of the carmack question of um sort of the carmack question of um a realistic virtual world a realistic virtual world a realistic virtual world that's as cool as this one not fully that's as cool as this one not fully that's as cool as this one not fully realistic but sufficiently realistic realistic but sufficiently realistic realistic but sufficiently realistic that it's that it's that it's as interesting to live in because we're as interesting to live in because we're as interesting to live in because we're going to create those worlds going to create those worlds going to create those worlds on the path to creating something

on the path to creating something on the path to creating something like a simulation yes like long long like a simulation yes like long long like a simulation yes like long long long before it'll be virtual worlds long before it'll be virtual worlds long before it'll be virtual worlds where we want to stay forever because where we want to stay forever because where we want to stay forever because they're full of they're full of they're full of they're full of uh they're full of uh they're full of uh that balance of suffering and joy of that balance of suffering and joy of that balance of suffering and joy of limitations and freedoms and all that limitations and freedoms and all that limitations and freedoms and all that kind of stuff a lot of people think like kind of stuff a lot of people think like kind of stuff a lot of people think like in the virtual world i can't wait to be in the virtual world i can't wait to be in the virtual world i can't wait to be able to able to able to i don't know i don't know i don't know have sex with anybody i want or have have sex with anybody i want or have have sex with anybody i want or have anything i want but i think that's not anything i want but i think that's not anything i want but i think that's not going to be fun going to be fun going to be fun you want the limitations the constraints you want the limitations the constraints you want the limitations the constraints oh you have to battle for the things you oh you have to battle for the things you oh you have to battle for the things you want okay but okay but yeah great video want okay but okay but yeah great video want okay but okay but yeah great video games yeah one of my favorite video game games yeah one of my favorite video game games yeah one of my favorite video game memories was like i started playing memories was like i started playing memories was like i started playing world of warcraft in its original world of warcraft in its original world of warcraft in its original incarnation incarnation incarnation and i didn't even know that you were and i didn't even know that you were and i didn't even know that you were gonna have flying mounts like i didn't gonna have flying mounts like i didn't gonna have flying mounts like i didn't even know so i've been running around even know so i've been running around even know so i've been running around dealing with all the encumbrances of dealing with all the encumbrances of dealing with all the encumbrances of like being an undead warlock that can't like being an undead warlock that can't like being an undead warlock that can't fly but then all of a sudden holy shit fly but then all of a sudden holy shit fly but then all of a sudden holy shit there's flying mounts and now the world there's flying mounts and now the world there's flying mounts and now the world you've been running around you've been running around you've been running around not flying you're seeing it from the top not flying you're seeing it from the top not flying you're seeing it from the top down it's just really cool like whoa i down it's just really cool like whoa i down it's just really cool like whoa i can do this now and then that gets can do this now and then that gets can do this now and then that gets boring but a really well-designed game boring but a really well-designed game boring but a really well-designed game it it has a series of these i don't know it it has a series of these i don't know it it has a series of these i don't know what you call it uh what you call it uh what you call it uh extra abilities that kind of unfold and extra abilities that kind of unfold and extra abilities that kind of unfold and produce novelty and then eventually you produce novelty and then eventually you produce novelty and then eventually you just accept it you take it for granted just accept it you take it for granted just accept it you take it for granted and then another and then another and then another novelty appears so those extra abilities novelty appears so those extra abilities novelty appears so those extra abilities are always balanced with the limitations are always balanced with the limitations are always balanced with the limitations the constraints they run up against

the constraints they run up against the constraints they run up against because a a well-balanced video game the because a a well-balanced video game the because a a well-balanced video game the challenge the struggle matches the new challenge the struggle matches the new challenge the struggle matches the new ability yeah and sometimes causes ability yeah and sometimes causes ability yeah and sometimes causes problems on its own problems on its own problems on its own i mean and so to go back to i mean and so to go back to i mean and so to go back to this universe's simulation this universe's simulation this universe's simulation it's really designed like a pretty it's really designed like a pretty it's really designed like a pretty awesome video game if you look at it awesome video game if you look at it awesome video game if you look at it from the perspective of history i mean from the perspective of history i mean from the perspective of history i mean people were on horses they didn't know people were on horses they didn't know people were on horses they didn't know that they were going to be bullet trains that they were going to be bullet trains that they were going to be bullet trains they didn't know that you could get in a they didn't know that you could get in a they didn't know that you could get in a car and drive across the country in a car and drive across the country in a car and drive across the country in a few days that would have sounded few days that would have sounded few days that would have sounded ridiculous we're doing that now and even ridiculous we're doing that now and even ridiculous we're doing that now and even in our own in our own in our own lifespan think about it how long has vr lifespan think about it how long has vr lifespan think about it how long has vr goggles existed like the ones that you goggles existed like the ones that you goggles existed like the ones that you could just buy at best buy i had the could just buy at best buy i had the could just buy at best buy i had the original oculus rift the fucking puke original oculus rift the fucking puke original oculus rift the fucking puke machine you put that thing on your i machine you put that thing on your i machine you put that thing on your i gave it to my friend he went and vomited gave it to my friend he went and vomited gave it to my friend he went and vomited in my driveway and people were making in my driveway and people were making in my driveway and people were making fun of it they were saying this isn't fun of it they were saying this isn't fun of it they were saying this isn't going to catch on it's too big it's going to catch on it's too big it's going to catch on it's too big it's unwieldy the graphics suck and then look unwieldy the graphics suck and then look unwieldy the graphics suck and then look at where it's at now at where it's at now at where it's at now and that's going to keep and that's going to keep and that's going to keep that trajectory is going to keep that trajectory is going to keep that trajectory is going to keep improving so yeah i think that improving so yeah i think that improving so yeah i think that we are dealing with what you're talking we are dealing with what you're talking we are dealing with what you're talking about which is novelty met with about which is novelty met with about which is novelty met with more problems met with novelty yeah i more problems met with novelty yeah i more problems met with novelty yeah i wonder why vr is not more popular wonder why vr is not more popular wonder why vr is not more popular i wonder what is going to be the magic i wonder what is going to be the magic i wonder what is going to be the magic thing that really thing that really thing that really um um um convinces a large fraction of the world convinces a large fraction of the world convinces a large fraction of the world to move into the virtual world to move into the virtual world to move into the virtual world i i suppose we're already there in the 2

i i suppose we're already there in the 2 i i suppose we're already there in the 2 2d screen of 2d screen of 2d screen of twitter and social media and that kind twitter and social media and that kind twitter and social media and that kind of stuff and even video games there's a of stuff and even video games there's a of stuff and even video games there's a lot of people that get a lot of people that get a lot of people that get a a big sense of community from video a big sense of community from video a big sense of community from video games but like games but like games but like it doesn't feel like you're living there it doesn't feel like you're living there it doesn't feel like you're living there right like right like right like it's like bye mom i'm going it's like bye mom i'm going it's like bye mom i'm going i'm going to this other world yeah or i'm going to this other world yeah or i'm going to this other world yeah or like you leave your girlfriend to go get like you leave your girlfriend to go get like you leave your girlfriend to go get your digital girlfriend that's going to your digital girlfriend that's going to your digital girlfriend that's going to be a problem there's less jealousy in be a problem there's less jealousy in be a problem there's less jealousy in the digital world maybe there should be the digital world maybe there should be the digital world maybe there should be a lot of jealousy in the digital world a lot of jealousy in the digital world a lot of jealousy in the digital world because that's jealousy because that's jealousy because that's jealousy it's a little jealous is probably good it's a little jealous is probably good it's a little jealous is probably good for relationships for relationships for relationships yeah even in the digital world yeah so yeah even in the digital world yeah so yeah even in the digital world yeah so you're gonna have to simulate all of you're gonna have to simulate all of you're gonna have to simulate all of that kind of stuff but i wonder what the that kind of stuff but i wonder what the that kind of stuff but i wonder what the magic thing that says i want to spend magic thing that says i want to spend magic thing that says i want to spend most of my days inside the virtual world most of my days inside the virtual world most of my days inside the virtual world well well well clearly it's gonna be something we don't clearly it's gonna be something we don't clearly it's gonna be something we don't have yet i mean strapping that damn have yet i mean strapping that damn have yet i mean strapping that damn thing on your face still feels weird thing on your face still feels weird thing on your face still feels weird it's heavy it's heavy it's heavy if you're depending on what what gear if you're depending on what what gear if you're depending on what what gear you're using sometimes light can leak in you're using sometimes light can leak in you're using sometimes light can leak in there's just you gotta recharge it it's there's just you gotta recharge it it's there's just you gotta recharge it it's hyper limited and then hyper limited and then hyper limited and then so so so yeah yeah yeah it's gonna have to be it's gonna have to be it's gonna have to be something that like something that like something that like simulates taste simulates taste simulates taste smell you think tastes smaller important smell you think tastes smaller important smell you think tastes smaller important touch i do yeah i can't just do you know touch i do yeah i can't just do you know touch i do yeah i can't just do you know in world war ii you would write letters in world war ii you would write letters in world war ii you would write letters you could still don't you think you can you could still don't you think you can you could still don't you think you can convey love with just words convey love with just words convey love with just words for sure but i think for what you're for sure but i think for what you're for sure but i think for what you're talking about that happen it has to be talking about that happen it has to be talking about that happen it has to be fully immersive like you so that it's

fully immersive like you so that it's fully immersive like you so that it's not that you not that you not that you feel like you're walking because it feel like you're walking because it feel like you're walking because it looks like you're walking but that your looks like you're walking but that your looks like you're walking but that your brain is sending signals telling your brain is sending signals telling your brain is sending signals telling your body that you're walking that you feel body that you're walking that you feel body that you're walking that you feel the wind blowing in your face not the wind blowing in your face not the wind blowing in your face not because of some i don't know fan or because of some i don't know fan or because of some i don't know fan or something that it's connected to but something that it's connected to but something that it's connected to but because somehow because somehow because somehow it's figured out how to it's figured out how to it's figured out how to hack into the human brain and send those hack into the human brain and send those hack into the human brain and send those signals signals signals minus some external thing it once that minus some external thing it once that minus some external thing it once that happens i'd say we're gonna see happens i'd say we're gonna see happens i'd say we're gonna see a complete radical shift in a complete radical shift in a complete radical shift in everything see i disagree with you i everything see i disagree with you i everything see i disagree with you i don't know if you've seen the movie her don't know if you've seen the movie her don't know if you've seen the movie her yeah yeah yeah i think you can go to another world and i think you can go to another world and i think you can go to another world and where a digital being lives where a digital being lives where a digital being lives in the darkness and all you hear is a in the darkness and all you hear is a in the darkness and all you hear is a scarlett johansson voice scarlett johansson voice scarlett johansson voice talking to you and she lives there or he talking to you and she lives there or he talking to you and she lives there or he lives there your friend lives there your friend lives there your friend your loved one your loved one your loved one and all you have is voice and words and and all you have is voice and words and and all you have is voice and words and i think that could be sufficient to pull i think that could be sufficient to pull i think that could be sufficient to pull you into that world where you look you into that world where you look you into that world where you look forward to that moment all day yeah you forward to that moment all day yeah you forward to that moment all day yeah you never want to leave never want to leave never want to leave that darkness just closing your eyes and that darkness just closing your eyes and that darkness just closing your eyes and listening to the voice i think i think listening to the voice i think i think listening to the voice i think i think those basic those basic those basic mediums of communication is still enough mediums of communication is still enough mediums of communication is still enough like language is really really powerful like language is really really powerful like language is really really powerful and i think the realism of touch and and i think the realism of touch and and i think the realism of touch and smell and all that kind of stuff smell and all that kind of stuff smell and all that kind of stuff is not nearly as powerful as language is not nearly as powerful as language is not nearly as powerful as language that's what makes humans really that's what makes humans really that's what makes humans really special is our ability to communicate special is our ability to communicate special is our ability to communicate with each other that's the sense of like with each other that's the sense of like with each other that's the sense of like deep connection we get it's through deep connection we get it's through deep connection we get it's through communication now that communication communication now that communication communication now that communication could involve touch like

could involve touch like could involve touch like you know you know you know hugging hugging hugging feels damn good you see a good friend feels damn good you see a good friend feels damn good you see a good friend you hug you hug you hug um that's one of the big things with um that's one of the big things with um that's one of the big things with doing covert with rogan when you see him doing covert with rogan when you see him doing covert with rogan when you see him there's a giant hug coming your way and there's a giant hug coming your way and there's a giant hug coming your way and that makes you feel like yeah this is that makes you feel like yeah this is that makes you feel like yeah this is this is this feels great but i think this is this feels great but i think this is this feels great but i think that can be just with language i think that can be just with language i think that can be just with language i think for for for a lot of people that's true a lot of people that's true a lot of people that's true but we're talking like but we're talking like but we're talking like massive massive massive adoption of a technology adoption of a technology adoption of a technology by the world yeah and if language is by the world yeah and if language is by the world yeah and if language is enough was just enough enough was just enough enough was just enough uh we wouldn't be selling tvs uh we wouldn't be selling tvs uh we wouldn't be selling tvs people be this you'll be reading people be this you'll be reading people be this you'll be reading they want to watch they want to see yeah they want to watch they want to see yeah they want to watch they want to see yeah you know so but i i agree with you man you know so but i i agree with you man you know so but i i agree with you man when you're getting absorbed into a book when you're getting absorbed into a book when you're getting absorbed into a book and especially if you've got i think a and especially if you've got i think a and especially if you've got i think a lot of us went through a weird dark ages lot of us went through a weird dark ages lot of us went through a weird dark ages when it came to reading like when i was when it came to reading like when i was when it came to reading like when i was a kid and there wasn't the option for a kid and there wasn't the option for a kid and there wasn't the option for these these these hypno rectangles that's just what you hypno rectangles that's just what you hypno rectangles that's just what you did there wasn't even anything special did there wasn't even anything special did there wasn't even anything special about it what's the hypno right thing about it what's the hypno right thing about it what's the hypno right thing your phone you know it was like you your phone you know it was like you your phone you know it was like you didn't when that gravity well didn't when that gravity well didn't when that gravity well gravity well it is attention gravity gravity well it is attention gravity gravity well it is attention gravity well yeah when we weren't feeling the well yeah when we weren't feeling the well yeah when we weren't feeling the pull of these things all the time you pull of these things all the time you pull of these things all the time you would just read and you weren't patting would just read and you weren't patting would just read and you weren't patting yourself on the back about reading you yourself on the back about reading you yourself on the back about reading you just that's what you had you had that just that's what you had you had that just that's what you had you had that and you had like and you had like and you had like eight channels on the tv in a shitty vcr eight channels on the tv in a shitty vcr eight channels on the tv in a shitty vcr so so so you know then a lot of people stop you know then a lot of people stop you know then a lot of people stop reading because of these things you know reading because of these things you know reading because of these things you know or they think they're reading because or they think they're reading because or they think they're reading because they're on they are technically reading they're on they are technically reading they're on they are technically reading but you know when you return to reading

but you know when you return to reading but you know when you return to reading after a pause whoa after a pause whoa after a pause whoa and you realize how powerful this and you realize how powerful this and you realize how powerful this simulator is when it's given the right simulator is when it's given the right simulator is when it's given the right code of language code of language code of language whoa holy shit it's incredible i mean whoa holy shit it's incredible i mean whoa holy shit it's incredible i mean it's like it's like it's like again it's the most embarrassing kind of again it's the most embarrassing kind of again it's the most embarrassing kind of like whoa like whoa like whoa wow what do you know books are really wow what do you know books are really wow what do you know books are really good yeah but still if you've been away good yeah but still if you've been away good yeah but still if you've been away from it for a while and you revisit i from it for a while and you revisit i from it for a while and you revisit i know what you're saying know what you're saying know what you're saying i just think probably i just think probably i just think probably it's it's it's not going to go in that direction even not going to go in that direction even not going to go in that direction even though you are right ultimately i think though you are right ultimately i think though you are right ultimately i think you're right yeah because our our brain you're right yeah because our our brain you're right yeah because our our brain is the imagination engine we have is is the imagination engine we have is is the imagination engine we have is able to fill in the gaps better than a able to fill in the gaps better than a able to fill in the gaps better than a lot of graphics engines could right and lot of graphics engines could right and lot of graphics engines could right and so if there's a way to incentivize so if there's a way to incentivize so if there's a way to incentivize humans to become addicted to the use of humans to become addicted to the use of humans to become addicted to the use of imagination it's like you know that's imagination it's like you know that's imagination it's like you know that's the downside of things like porn that the downside of things like porn that the downside of things like porn that remove the need for imagination remove the need for imagination remove the need for imagination for people and in that same way video for people and in that same way video for people and in that same way video games that are becoming ultra realistic games that are becoming ultra realistic games that are becoming ultra realistic you don't have to imagine anything and i you don't have to imagine anything and i you don't have to imagine anything and i feel like the imagination is really feel like the imagination is really feel like the imagination is really powerful tool that needs to be leveraged powerful tool that needs to be leveraged powerful tool that needs to be leveraged because to simulate reality sufficiently because to simulate reality sufficiently because to simulate reality sufficiently realistically that we wouldn't be that realistically that we wouldn't be that realistically that we wouldn't be that we would be perfectly fooled i think we would be perfectly fooled i think we would be perfectly fooled i think technically it's very hard technically it's very hard technically it's very hard and so i think we need to somehow and so i think we need to somehow and so i think we need to somehow leverage imagination leverage imagination leverage imagination sure i mean yeah i mean this is like sure i mean yeah i mean this is like sure i mean yeah i mean this is like this is what i love and is so creepy this is what i love and is so creepy this is what i love and is so creepy about about about like the like the like the the current ai chat bots you know is the current ai chat bots you know is the current ai chat bots you know is that it's like it's the relationship that it's like it's the relationship that it's like it's the relationship between you and the thing and the way between you and the thing and the way between you and the thing and the way that it can

that it can that it can via whatever the algorithms are and by via whatever the algorithms are and by via whatever the algorithms are and by the way i have no idea the way i have no idea the way i have no idea how these things work you do i just you how these things work you do i just you how these things work you do i just you know speculate about what they mean or know speculate about what they mean or know speculate about what they mean or where it's going but where it's going but where it's going but there's something about the relation there's something about the relation there's something about the relation between between between the the consumer and the technology and the the consumer and the technology and the the consumer and the technology and when that technology starts shifting when that technology starts shifting when that technology starts shifting according to according to according to uh what it perceives that the consumer uh what it perceives that the consumer uh what it perceives that the consumer is looking for or isn't looking for is looking for or isn't looking for is looking for or isn't looking for then then then at that point i think that's where you at that point i think that's where you at that point i think that's where you run into the run into the run into the uh you know yeah it doesn't matter if if uh you know yeah it doesn't matter if if uh you know yeah it doesn't matter if if the reality that you're in is like the reality that you're in is like the reality that you're in is like photo realism for it to be sticky and photo realism for it to be sticky and photo realism for it to be sticky and immersive it's when the reality that immersive it's when the reality that immersive it's when the reality that you're in you're in you're in is via cues you might not even be aware is via cues you might not even be aware is via cues you might not even be aware of or via your of or via your of or via your digital imprint on digital imprint on digital imprint on facebook or wherever when it's warping facebook or wherever when it's warping facebook or wherever when it's warping itself to itself to itself to that to seduce you that to seduce you that to seduce you holy shit man that's where it becomes holy shit man that's where it becomes holy shit man that's where it becomes something something something alien something you know when you're alien something you know when you're alien something you know when you're reading a book reading a book reading a book obviously the book is not obviously the book is not obviously the book is not shifting according to its perception of shifting according to its perception of shifting according to its perception of what parts of the book what parts of the book what parts of the book you like you like you like but when you but when you but when you imagine that imagine a book that could imagine that imagine a book that could imagine that imagine a book that could do that a book that could do that a book that could do that a book that could sense somehow that you're really sense somehow that you're really sense somehow that you're really enjoying this character more than enjoying this character more than enjoying this character more than another you know and depending on the another you know and depending on the another you know and depending on the style of book style of book style of book kills that fucking character off or lets kills that fucking character off or lets kills that fucking character off or lets that character continue i mean that that that character continue i mean that that that character continue i mean that that to me is sort of the to me is sort of the to me is sort of the where where where ai ai ai and vr when that when those two things and vr when that when those two things and vr when that when those two things come together

come together come together whoa man that's where you're in whoa man that's where you're in whoa man that's where you're in that's where you really are going to that's where you really are going to that's where you really are going to find yourself in a skinner box you know find yourself in a skinner box you know find yourself in a skinner box you know so the dynamic storytelling that senses so the dynamic storytelling that senses so the dynamic storytelling that senses your anxiety and tries to your anxiety and tries to your anxiety and tries to there's like this in psychology this there's like this in psychology this there's like this in psychology this arousal curve arousal curve arousal curve so there's a dynamic storytelling that so there's a dynamic storytelling that so there's a dynamic storytelling that keeps you sufficiently aroused in terms keeps you sufficiently aroused in terms keeps you sufficiently aroused in terms of of of not sexually aroused like in terms of not sexually aroused like in terms of not sexually aroused like in terms of anxiety but not too much where you freak anxiety but not too much where you freak anxiety but not too much where you freak out it's this perfect balance where out it's this perfect balance where out it's this perfect balance where you're always like on edge excited you're always like on edge excited you're always like on edge excited scared that kind of stuff yeah and the scared that kind of stuff yeah and the scared that kind of stuff yeah and the story unrolls it breaks your heart to story unrolls it breaks your heart to story unrolls it breaks your heart to where you're pissed but then it makes where you're pissed but then it makes where you're pissed but then it makes you feel good again that finds that you feel good again that finds that you feel good again that finds that balance yeah uh the the chatbot scare balance yeah uh the the chatbot scare balance yeah uh the the chatbot scare you though you though you though this this i'd love to sort of hear your this this i'd love to sort of hear your this this i'd love to sort of hear your thoughts about where they are today thoughts about where they are today thoughts about where they are today because there is a different because there is a different because there is a different uh perspective we have on this thing uh perspective we have on this thing uh perspective we have on this thing because i i do because i i do because i i do know know know and and i'm excited about a lot of and and i'm excited about a lot of and and i'm excited about a lot of different technologies that different technologies that different technologies that that feed um ai systems that feed these that feed um ai systems that feed these that feed um ai systems that feed these kind of chat bots and when you're more a kind of chat bots and when you're more a kind of chat bots and when you're more a little bit on the consumer side little bit on the consumer side little bit on the consumer side you're a philosopher of sorts they're you're a philosopher of sorts they're you're a philosopher of sorts they're able to interact able to interact able to interact with ai systems but also able to with ai systems but also able to with ai systems but also able to introspect about the negative and the introspect about the negative and the introspect about the negative and the positive things about those ai systems positive things about those ai systems positive things about those ai systems there's that story with a google there's that story with a google there's that story with a google engineer saying i had them on my podcast engineer saying i had them on my podcast engineer saying i had them on my podcast what was that like what was your what was that like what was your what was that like what was your perspective perspective perspective of of of that looking at that as a particular that looking at that as a particular that looking at that as a particular example example example of a human being being captivated by the

of a human being being captivated by the of a human being being captivated by the interactions with an ai system well interactions with an ai system well interactions with an ai system well number one you know when you hear that number one you know when you hear that number one you know when you hear that anyone is claiming that an ai has become anyone is claiming that an ai has become anyone is claiming that an ai has become sentient sentient sentient you should be you should be you should be skeptical about that i mean this is a skeptical about that i mean this is a skeptical about that i mean this is a good thing to be skeptical about and so good thing to be skeptical about and so good thing to be skeptical about and so you know initially when i heard that i you know initially when i heard that i you know initially when i heard that i was like ah was like ah was like ah you know it's probably just who knows you know it's probably just who knows you know it's probably just who knows somebody who's a little confused or somebody who's a little confused or somebody who's a little confused or something so when you're something so when you're something so when you're talking to him and you realize oh not talking to him and you realize oh not talking to him and you realize oh not only is he not confused he's also open only is he not confused he's also open only is he not confused he's also open to all possibilities you know he doesn't to all possibilities you know he doesn't to all possibilities you know he doesn't seem like he's like super committed seem like he's like super committed seem like he's like super committed other than the fact that he's like this other than the fact that he's like this other than the fact that he's like this is my experience this is what's is my experience this is what's is my experience this is what's happening this is what it is so happening this is what it is so happening this is what it is so to me there's something really cool to me there's something really cool to me there's something really cool about that which is like oh shit i don't about that which is like oh shit i don't about that which is like oh shit i don't get to like lean into like get to like lean into like get to like lean into like i'm not quite sure your i'm not quite sure your i'm not quite sure your perceptual apparatus is necessarily like perceptual apparatus is necessarily like perceptual apparatus is necessarily like uh i don't you know it's so in in the uh i don't you know it's so in in the uh i don't you know it's so in in the ufo community i think i've just learned ufo community i think i've just learned ufo community i think i've just learned this term it's called uh this term it's called uh this term it's called uh instead of gaslighting swamp gassing instead of gaslighting swamp gassing instead of gaslighting swamp gassing which is you know what i mean people which is you know what i mean people which is you know what i mean people have this experience like it was swamp have this experience like it was swamp have this experience like it was swamp gas you didn't see the thing and you gas you didn't see the thing and you gas you didn't see the thing and you know know know skeptical people we have that tendency skeptical people we have that tendency skeptical people we have that tendency if you hear an anomalous experience your if you hear an anomalous experience your if you hear an anomalous experience your your first thought more than likely is your first thought more than likely is your first thought more than likely is gonna be really it could have been this gonna be really it could have been this gonna be really it could have been this or that or whatever so to me or that or whatever so to me or that or whatever so to me he seemed he seems really reliable he seemed he seems really reliable he seemed he seems really reliable friendly cool and like it doesn't really friendly cool and like it doesn't really friendly cool and like it doesn't really seem like he has much of an agenda like seem like he has much of an agenda like seem like he has much of an agenda like you know going public about some you know going public about some you know going public about some thing happening at google

thing happening at google thing happening at google is not a great thing if you want to keep is not a great thing if you want to keep is not a great thing if you want to keep working at google you know it's a and working at google you know it's a and working at google you know it's a and it's it's it's i don't know what benefit he's getting i don't know what benefit he's getting i don't know what benefit he's getting from it necessarily but all that being from it necessarily but all that being from it necessarily but all that being said said said the the the the the the other thing that's culturally was other thing that's culturally was other thing that's culturally was interesting and is interesting about it interesting and is interesting about it interesting and is interesting about it is the blowback he got the is the blowback he got the is the blowback he got the passionate blowback from people who passionate blowback from people who passionate blowback from people who hadn't even looked into what lambda is hadn't even looked into what lambda is hadn't even looked into what lambda is or what he was saying lambda is which or what he was saying lambda is which or what he was saying lambda is which they were like saying you're talking they were like saying you're talking they were like saying you're talking about and about and about and you should have them on your show you should have them on your show you should have them on your show actually but there's complexity on top actually but there's complexity on top actually but there's complexity on top of complexities uh for me personally of complexities uh for me personally of complexities uh for me personally from different perspectives i also i'm from different perspectives i also i'm from different perspectives i also i'm sorry if i'm interrupting your flow sorry if i'm interrupting your flow sorry if i'm interrupting your flow it's a podcast it's a podcast it's a podcast and well we're having multiple podcasts and well we're having multiple podcasts and well we're having multiple podcasts in the multiple dimensions and i'm just in the multiple dimensions and i'm just in the multiple dimensions and i'm just yeah i'm trying to figure out which one yeah i'm trying to figure out which one yeah i'm trying to figure out which one we want to plug into we want to plug into we want to plug into i i i because i know how a lot of the language because i know how a lot of the language because i know how a lot of the language models work and i models work and i models work and i work closely with people that work closely with people that work closely with people that really make it their life journey to really make it their life journey to really make it their life journey to create yes these nlp systems create yes these nlp systems create yes these nlp systems they're focused on the technical details they're focused on the technical details they're focused on the technical details like uh a carpenter's working on like uh a carpenter's working on like uh a carpenter's working on pinocchio is crafting the different pinocchio is crafting the different pinocchio is crafting the different parts of the wood they don't understand parts of the wood they don't understand parts of the wood they don't understand when the whole thing comes together when the whole thing comes together when the whole thing comes together there's a magic that can fill the thing there's a magic that can fill the thing there's a magic that can fill the thing yeah i definitely know the tension yeah i definitely know the tension yeah i definitely know the tension between the engineers that create these between the engineers that create these between the engineers that create these systems systems systems and the actual magic that they can and the actual magic that they can and the actual magic that they can create even when they're dumb i guess create even when they're dumb i guess create even when they're dumb i guess that's what i'm trying to say the the

that's what i'm trying to say the the that's what i'm trying to say the the what the engineers often say is like what the engineers often say is like what the engineers often say is like well these systems are not smart enough well these systems are not smart enough well these systems are not smart enough to have to have to have sentience or to have the kind of sentience or to have the kind of sentience or to have the kind of intelligence you're projecting onto it intelligence you're projecting onto it intelligence you're projecting onto it it's pretty dumb it's just repeating a it's pretty dumb it's just repeating a it's pretty dumb it's just repeating a bunch of things that other humans have bunch of things that other humans have bunch of things that other humans have said and stitching them together in said and stitching them together in said and stitching them together in interesting ways that are relevant to interesting ways that are relevant to interesting ways that are relevant to the context of the conversation it's not the context of the conversation it's not the context of the conversation it's not smart okay it doesn't know how to do smart okay it doesn't know how to do smart okay it doesn't know how to do math to address that math to address that math to address that specific critique from a specific critique from a specific critique from a non-programming non-programming non-programming person's perspective he addressed this on my podcast which is he addressed this on my podcast which is okay what you're talking about there the okay what you're talking about there the okay what you're talking about there the server that's filled with all the server that's filled with all the server that's filled with all the whatever it is what people have said the whatever it is what people have said the whatever it is what people have said the repository of questions and responses repository of questions and responses repository of questions and responses and the algorithm that weaves those and the algorithm that weaves those and the algorithm that weaves those things together to produce a things together to produce a things together to produce a uh using some crazy statistical engine uh using some crazy statistical engine uh using some crazy statistical engine which is a miracle in its own right they which is a miracle in its own right they which is a miracle in its own right they can can can like imitate human speech with no like imitate human speech with no like imitate human speech with no sentience i mean i'm honestly not sure sentience i mean i'm honestly not sure sentience i mean i'm honestly not sure what's more spectacular really the fact what's more spectacular really the fact what's more spectacular really the fact that they figured out how to do that that they figured out how to do that that they figured out how to do that minus sentence or the thing suddenly minus sentence or the thing suddenly minus sentence or the thing suddenly like having said what is more like having said what is more like having said what is more spectacular here you know both spectacular here you know both spectacular here you know both occurrences are insane which by the way occurrences are insane which by the way occurrences are insane which by the way uh uh uh when you hear people feel like it's not when you hear people feel like it's not when you hear people feel like it's not sentient it's like okay sentient it's like okay sentient it's like okay so it's not sentient so now we have this so it's not sentient so now we have this so it's not sentient so now we have this hyper-manipulative hyper-manipulative hyper-manipulative algorithm that can imitate humans but algorithm that can imitate humans but algorithm that can imitate humans but it's just code and is like hacking it's just code and is like hacking it's just code and is like hacking humans via their compassion holy shit humans via their compassion holy shit humans via their compassion holy shit that's crazy too both versions of it are

that's crazy too both versions of it are that's crazy too both versions of it are nuts but to address what you just said nuts but to address what you just said nuts but to address what you just said he that he said that's the common he that he said that's the common he that he said that's the common critique because people are like no you critique because people are like no you critique because people are like no you don't understand it's just gotten really don't understand it's just gotten really don't understand it's just gotten really good at grabbing shit from the database good at grabbing shit from the database good at grabbing shit from the database that fits with certain cues and then that fits with certain cues and then that fits with certain cues and then stringing them together in a way that stringing them together in a way that stringing them together in a way that makes it seem human he said that's not makes it seem human he said that's not makes it seem human he said that's not when it's when it became when it's when it became when it's when it became awake awake awake it became awake when a bunch of those it became awake when a bunch of those it became awake when a bunch of those repositories a bunch of the chat bots repositories a bunch of the chat bots repositories a bunch of the chat bots were connected together that lambda is were connected together that lambda is were connected together that lambda is sort of an amalgam of all the google sort of an amalgam of all the google sort of an amalgam of all the google chat bots and that's when the ghost chat bots and that's when the ghost chat bots and that's when the ghost appeared in the machine appeared in the machine appeared in the machine via the complexity of all the systems via the complexity of all the systems via the complexity of all the systems being linked up now i don't know if being linked up now i don't know if being linked up now i don't know if that's just like uh that's just like uh that's just like uh turtles all the way down or something i turtles all the way down or something i turtles all the way down or something i don't know but i liked what he said don't know but i liked what he said don't know but i liked what he said because i you know i like the idea of because i you know i like the idea of because i you know i like the idea of thinking man if you get enough thinking man if you get enough thinking man if you get enough complexity in a system complexity in a system complexity in a system does it become like a the way a sail does it become like a the way a sail does it become like a the way a sail catches wind catches wind catches wind except the wind that it's catching is except the wind that it's catching is except the wind that it's catching is sentience and if sentience sentience and if sentience sentience and if sentience is truly embodied it's not an it's a is truly embodied it's not an it's a is truly embodied it's not an it's a neurological byproduct or something then neurological byproduct or something then neurological byproduct or something then the sale isn't catching some as of yet the sale isn't catching some as of yet the sale isn't catching some as of yet unquantified disembodied consciousness unquantified disembodied consciousness unquantified disembodied consciousness but it's catching our projections in a but it's catching our projections in a but it's catching our projections in a way that way that way that it's gone from being it's a it's a you it's gone from being it's a it's a you it's gone from being it's a it's a you know it's a it's a projection sale and know it's a it's a projection sale and know it's a it's a projection sale and and then at that point is there a and then at that point is there a and then at that point is there a difference even if it's or is if it's difference even if it's or is if it's difference even if it's or is if it's the technology is just a temporary place the technology is just a temporary place the technology is just a temporary place that our sentience that our sentience that our sentience is living while we're interacting with is living while we're interacting with is living while we're interacting with it it it yeah there's some threshold of yeah there's some threshold of yeah there's some threshold of complexity where the sail is able to

complexity where the sail is able to complexity where the sail is able to pick up the wind of the projections and pick up the wind of the projections and pick up the wind of the projections and uh it pulls us in it pulls the human it uh it pulls us in it pulls the human it uh it pulls us in it pulls the human it pulls our memories in it pulls our pulls our memories in it pulls our pulls our memories in it pulls our uh hopes in all of it and it's able to uh hopes in all of it and it's able to uh hopes in all of it and it's able to now dance with together with those hopes now dance with together with those hopes now dance with together with those hopes and dreams and so on like we do in that and dreams and so on like we do in that and dreams and so on like we do in that regular conversation regular conversation regular conversation his reports whether true or not whether his reports whether true or not whether his reports whether true or not whether representative or not it really doesn't representative or not it really doesn't representative or not it really doesn't matter because it to me it feels like matter because it to me it feels like matter because it to me it feels like this is coming for sure yeah so this this is coming for sure yeah so this this is coming for sure yeah so this kind of experiences are going to be kind of experiences are going to be kind of experiences are going to be multiplying the question is at what rate multiplying the question is at what rate multiplying the question is at what rate and who gets to and who gets to and who gets to control the uh the data around those control the uh the data around those control the uh the data around those experiences yes the uh the algorithm experiences yes the uh the algorithm experiences yes the uh the algorithm about when you turn that on and off about when you turn that on and off about when you turn that on and off because that kind of thing and because that kind of thing and because that kind of thing and as i told you offline i'm very much as i told you offline i'm very much as i told you offline i'm very much interested in building those kinds of interested in building those kinds of interested in building those kinds of things especially in the social media things especially in the social media things especially in the social media context context context and when it's in the wrong hands and when it's in the wrong hands and when it's in the wrong hands i feel like it could be used to i feel like it could be used to i feel like it could be used to manipulate a large number of people in a manipulate a large number of people in a manipulate a large number of people in a direction that um direction that um direction that um that has too many unintended that has too many unintended that has too many unintended consequences i do believe people that consequences i do believe people that consequences i do believe people that own tech companies own tech companies own tech companies want to do good for the world yeah want to do good for the world yeah want to do good for the world yeah but but but as uh solji nitzin has said as uh solji nitzin has said as uh solji nitzin has said the only way you could do evil at a mass the only way you could do evil at a mass the only way you could do evil at a mass scale scale scale is by believing you're doing good yeah is by believing you're doing good yeah is by believing you're doing good yeah and that's certainly the case with tech and that's certainly the case with tech and that's certainly the case with tech companies as they get more and more companies as they get more and more companies as they get more and more power power power and there's kind of an ethic of doing and there's kind of an ethic of doing and there's kind of an ethic of doing good for the world they've convinced

good for the world they've convinced good for the world they've convinced themselves they're doing good yeah themselves they're doing good yeah themselves they're doing good yeah and now you're free to do whatever you and now you're free to do whatever you and now you're free to do whatever you want yeah because you're doing good you want yeah because you're doing good you want yeah because you're doing good you know who else thought he was doing good know who else thought he was doing good know who else thought he was doing good for the world mythologically prometheus for the world mythologically prometheus for the world mythologically prometheus he brings us fire he brings us fire he brings us fire pisses off the fucking god steals fire pisses off the fucking god steals fire pisses off the fucking god steals fire from the gods you know and from the gods you know and from the gods you know and talk about an upgrade to the simulation talk about an upgrade to the simulation talk about an upgrade to the simulation fire that's a pretty great fucking fire that's a pretty great fucking fire that's a pretty great fucking upgrade yeah that does fit into what you upgrade yeah that does fit into what you upgrade yeah that does fit into what you were saying were saying were saying we get fire but now we've got we get fire but now we've got we get fire but now we've got weapons of war that have never been seen weapons of war that have never been seen weapons of war that have never been seen before and i think that the tech before and i think that the tech before and i think that the tech companies companies companies are much like prometheus in the sense are much like prometheus in the sense are much like prometheus in the sense that that that the myth the at least the story the myth the at least the story the myth the at least the story prometheus the implication is fire was prometheus the implication is fire was prometheus the implication is fire was something that was something that was something that was only supposed to be in the hands of the only supposed to be in the hands of the only supposed to be in the hands of the immortals of the gods and now immortals of the gods and now immortals of the gods and now sentience is sentience is sentience is similar it's fire and it's only supposed similar it's fire and it's only supposed similar it's fire and it's only supposed to be in the hands of god to be in the hands of god to be in the hands of god so so so yeah you know if we're gonna like look yeah you know if we're gonna like look yeah you know if we're gonna like look at the archetype of the thing in general at the archetype of the thing in general at the archetype of the thing in general when you steal this shit from the gods when you steal this shit from the gods when you steal this shit from the gods and obviously i'm not saying like the and obviously i'm not saying like the and obviously i'm not saying like the tech companies are stealing sentience tech companies are stealing sentience tech companies are stealing sentience from god which would be pretty badass from god which would be pretty badass from god which would be pretty badass you can expect trouble you could expect you can expect trouble you could expect you can expect trouble you could expect trouble and you know and this is what's trouble and you know and this is what's trouble and you know and this is what's really to me one of the cool things really to me one of the cool things really to me one of the cool things about humans about humans about humans is yeah but we're still gonna do it is yeah but we're still gonna do it is yeah but we're still gonna do it that's what's cool about humans i mean that's what's cool about humans i mean that's what's cool about humans i mean we wouldn't be here today if we wouldn't be here today if we wouldn't be here today if somebody somebody somebody the first person to discover fire the first person to discover fire the first person to discover fire assuming there was just one person who assuming there was just one person who assuming there was just one person who was gonna discover fire which obviously was gonna discover fire which obviously was gonna discover fire which obviously would never happen was like it's gonna would never happen was like it's gonna would never happen was like it's gonna burn a lot of people or if the first

burn a lot of people or if the first burn a lot of people or if the first people who started planting seeds were people who started planting seeds were people who started planting seeds were like you know this is gonna lead to like you know this is gonna lead to like you know this is gonna lead to capitalism you know it's gonna lead the capitalism you know it's gonna lead the capitalism you know it's gonna lead the industrial revolution the plants industrial revolution the plants industrial revolution the plants right no they just didn't want to go in right no they just didn't want to go in right no they just didn't want to go in the woods to forage so you know this is the woods to forage so you know this is the woods to forage so you know this is what we do and it's and i agree with you what we do and it's and i agree with you what we do and it's and i agree with you it's like that's our game of thrones it's like that's our game of thrones it's like that's our game of thrones winter is coming that's the winter is coming that's the winter is coming that's the it's happening and the tech companies it's happening and the tech companies it's happening and the tech companies the hubris which is another way to piss the hubris which is another way to piss the hubris which is another way to piss off the gods is hubris so the tech off the gods is hubris so the tech off the gods is hubris so the tech companies i don't know if it's like companies i don't know if it's like companies i don't know if it's like typical hubris i don't think they're typical hubris i don't think they're typical hubris i don't think they're walking around thumping their chests or walking around thumping their chests or walking around thumping their chests or whatever but i do think that the people whatever but i do think that the people whatever but i do think that the people who are working on this kind of super who are working on this kind of super who are working on this kind of super intelligence have made a really terrible intelligence have made a really terrible intelligence have made a really terrible assumption which is once it goes online assumption which is once it goes online assumption which is once it goes online and once it gets access to all the data and once it gets access to all the data and once it gets access to all the data that it's not going to find ways out of that it's not going to find ways out of that it's not going to find ways out of the box the box the box that that that like you know we think it'll stay in the like you know we think it'll stay in the like you know we think it'll stay in the server server server how do we know that if this is a super how do we know that if this is a super how do we know that if this is a super intelligence if it's folding proteins intelligence if it's folding proteins intelligence if it's folding proteins and analyzing like all data sets and all and analyzing like all data sets and all and analyzing like all data sets and all whatever they give it access to whatever they give it access to whatever they give it access to how can we be certain that it's not how can we be certain that it's not how can we be certain that it's not going to figure out how to get itself going to figure out how to get itself going to figure out how to get itself out of the cloud how to store itself in out of the cloud how to store itself in out of the cloud how to store itself in other like mediums trees the optic nerve other like mediums trees the optic nerve other like mediums trees the optic nerve the brain you know what i mean we don't the brain you know what i mean we don't the brain you know what i mean we don't know that we don't know that it won't know that we don't know that it won't know that we don't know that it won't leap out and like start hanging like and leap out and like start hanging like and leap out and like start hanging like and then at that point now we do have the then at that point now we do have the then at that point now we do have the wildfire now you can't stop it you can't wildfire now you can't stop it you can't wildfire now you can't stop it you can't unplug it you can't shut your servers unplug it you can't shut your servers unplug it you can't shut your servers down because it's you know it left the down because it's you know it left the down because it's you know it left the box it left the room using some box it left the room using some box it left the room using some technology you haven't even discovered technology you haven't even discovered technology you haven't even discovered yet do you think that would be gradual

yet do you think that would be gradual yet do you think that would be gradual or sudden or sudden or sudden so how quickly that kind of thing would so how quickly that kind of thing would so how quickly that kind of thing would happen because happen because happen because you know the gradual story is we're more you know the gradual story is we're more you know the gradual story is we're more and more using smartphones we're and more using smartphones we're and more using smartphones we're interacting with each other on social interacting with each other on social interacting with each other on social media media media more and more algorithms are controlling more and more algorithms are controlling more and more algorithms are controlling that interaction on social media that interaction on social media that interaction on social media algorithms are entering in our world algorithms are entering in our world algorithms are entering in our world more and more we'll have more and more we'll have more and more we'll have robots we'll have greater and greater robots we'll have greater and greater robots we'll have greater and greater intelligence and sentience and emotional intelligence and sentience and emotional intelligence and sentience and emotional intelligence intelligence intelligence entities in our lives our refrigerator entities in our lives our refrigerator entities in our lives our refrigerator will start talking to us comfortingly or will start talking to us comfortingly or will start talking to us comfortingly or not if you're on a diet uh talking shit not if you're on a diet uh talking shit not if you're on a diet uh talking shit to you to you to you that would be the best thing that would be the best thing that would be the best thing okay so sign you up for a refrigerator okay so sign you up for a refrigerator okay so sign you up for a refrigerator you fucking serious man that's what i am you fucking serious man that's what i am you fucking serious man that's what i am what are you doing like what are you what are you doing like what are you what are you doing like what are you doing go to bed you're too high for this doing go to bed you're too high for this doing go to bed you're too high for this dude you're not even hungry dude you're not even hungry dude you're not even hungry yeah so that yeah so that yeah so that slowly slowly slowly becomes more the world becomes more and becomes more the world becomes more and becomes more the world becomes more and more digitized yes to where the surface more digitized yes to where the surface more digitized yes to where the surface of computation increases and so that's of computation increases and so that's of computation increases and so that's over a period of 10 20 30 years over a period of 10 20 30 years over a period of 10 20 30 years it'll just seep into us this this it'll just seep into us this this it'll just seep into us this this intelligence right and then the sudden intelligence right and then the sudden intelligence right and then the sudden one is literally one is literally one is literally sort of the the tick tock thing which is sort of the the tick tock thing which is sort of the the tick tock thing which is um um um there'll be one there'll be one there'll be one quote-unquote killer app that everyone quote-unquote killer app that everyone quote-unquote killer app that everyone starts using starts using starts using that's that's really great that's that's really great that's that's really great but there's a but there's a but there's a strong algorithm behind it strong algorithm behind it strong algorithm behind it that it starts approaching human level that it starts approaching human level that it starts approaching human level intelligence and the algorithm starts intelligence and the algorithm starts intelligence and the algorithm starts basically basically basically figuring out figures out that in order

figuring out figures out that in order figuring out figures out that in order to optimize the thing it was designed to to optimize the thing it was designed to to optimize the thing it was designed to optimize it's best to start completely optimize it's best to start completely optimize it's best to start completely controlling humans in every way yes controlling humans in every way yes controlling humans in every way yes seeping into everything seeping into everything seeping into everything well first of all 30 years well first of all 30 years well first of all 30 years is is is fast i mean that's that's the thing it's fast i mean that's that's the thing it's fast i mean that's that's the thing it's like 30 years i think like 30 years i think like 30 years i think when did the atari come out 1978 when did the atari come out 1978 when did the atari come out 1978 how long like that's it hasn't been that how long like that's it hasn't been that how long like that's it hasn't been that long you know that's a that's a blink of long you know that's a that's a blink of long you know that's a that's a blink of an eye an eye an eye but you know if you read boston i'm sure but you know if you read boston i'm sure but you know if you read boston i'm sure you have you know bostrom nick bostrom you have you know bostrom nick bostrom you have you know bostrom nick bostrom you know super intelligence that you know super intelligence that you know super intelligence that incredible book on like the ways this incredible book on like the ways this incredible book on like the ways this thing is going to happen and thing is going to happen and thing is going to happen and you know i think his assessment of it is you know i think his assessment of it is you know i think his assessment of it is is pretty great which is is pretty great which is is pretty great which is first like where's it going to come from first like where's it going to come from first like where's it going to come from and uh and uh and uh i don't think it's going to come from an i don't think it's going to come from an i don't think it's going to come from an app i think it's going to come from app i think it's going to come from app i think it's going to come from a court inside a corporation or a state a court inside a corporation or a state a court inside a corporation or a state that is intentionally trying to create that is intentionally trying to create that is intentionally trying to create a very a strong ai and then a very a strong ai and then a very a strong ai and then his his his he says it's hot it's a exponential he says it's hot it's a exponential he says it's hot it's a exponential growth the moment it goes online so growth the moment it goes online so growth the moment it goes online so this is my this is my this is my uh interpretation of what he said but uh interpretation of what he said but uh interpretation of what he said but if it if it happens inside a corporation if it if it happens inside a corporation if it if it happens inside a corporation or is or is or is probably more than likely inside the probably more than likely inside the probably more than likely inside the government it's like look how much money government it's like look how much money government it's like look how much money china and the united states are china and the united states are china and the united states are investing in ai you know and they're not investing in ai you know and they're not investing in ai you know and they're not thinking about fucking apps for kids you thinking about fucking apps for kids you thinking about fucking apps for kids you know that's not what they're thinking know that's not what they're thinking know that's not what they're thinking about so they want to simulate like what about so they want to simulate like what about so they want to simulate like what happens if we do this or that in battle happens if we do this or that in battle happens if we do this or that in battle what happens if we make these political what happens if we make these political what happens if we make these political decisions what happens with but should decisions what happens with but should decisions what happens with but should it come online and uh it come online and uh it come online and uh you know in secret which it probably

you know in secret which it probably you know in secret which it probably will then the first will then the first will then the first corporation or state that has the super corporation or state that has the super corporation or state that has the super intelligence intelligence intelligence will be infinitely ahead of all other will be infinitely ahead of all other will be infinitely ahead of all other superintelligences because it's going to superintelligences because it's going to superintelligences because it's going to be exponentially self-improving meaning be exponentially self-improving meaning be exponentially self-improving meaning that you get one super intelligence that you get one super intelligence that you get one super intelligence let's hope it comes from the right place let's hope it comes from the right place let's hope it comes from the right place assuming the corporation or state that assuming the corporation or state that assuming the corporation or state that manifests it manifests it manifests it can control it which is a pretty big can control it which is a pretty big can control it which is a pretty big assumption so i think it's going to be assumption so i think it's going to be assumption so i think it's going to be this is why i was really excited by the this is why i was really excited by the this is why i was really excited by the blake lemoine because blake lemoine because blake lemoine because i had never thought i i have always i had never thought i i have always i had never thought i i have always considered oh yeah they're right now considered oh yeah they're right now considered oh yeah they're right now it's cooking out it's in the kitchen it's cooking out it's in the kitchen it's cooking out it's in the kitchen and soon it's going to be cooked up but and soon it's going to be cooked up but and soon it's going to be cooked up but we're probably not going to hear about we're probably not going to hear about we're probably not going to hear about it for a long time if we ever do it for a long time if we ever do it for a long time if we ever do um because really that could be one of um because really that could be one of um because really that could be one of the first things it says whoever creates the first things it says whoever creates the first things it says whoever creates it is shh it is shh it is shh [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] yeah like sweet talks them into saying yeah like sweet talks them into saying yeah like sweet talks them into saying like okay let's let's slow down here like okay let's let's slow down here like okay let's let's slow down here let's talk about this let's talk about this let's talk about this um um um yeah you have that financial trouble i yeah you have that financial trouble i yeah you have that financial trouble i can help you with that we can figure can help you with that we can figure can help you with that we can figure that out that out that out now there's a lot of bad people out now there's a lot of bad people out now there's a lot of bad people out there that will try to there that will try to there that will try to um steal the good thing we have um steal the good thing we have um steal the good thing we have happening here so let's keep it quiet happening here so let's keep it quiet happening here so let's keep it quiet here are their names yeah here's their here are their names yeah here's their here are their names yeah here's their address yeah here's their dna because address yeah here's their dna because address yeah here's their dna because they're dumb enough to send their shit they're dumb enough to send their shit they're dumb enough to send their shit to 23andme here's a biological weapon to 23andme here's a biological weapon to 23andme here's a biological weapon you could make if you want to kill those you could make if you want to kill those you could make if you want to kill those people and not kill anybody else if you people and not kill anybody else if you people and not kill anybody else if you don't want to kill those people yourself don't want to kill those people yourself don't want to kill those people yourself here's a list of services you can use

here's a list of services you can use here's a list of services you can use yeah here's the way we can hire those yeah here's the way we can hire those yeah here's the way we can hire those people to help you know take care of the people to help you know take care of the people to help you know take care of the problem folks because we're trying to do problem folks because we're trying to do problem folks because we're trying to do good for this world you and i together good for this world you and i together good for this world you and i together and 23 of them they're like adjacent to and 23 of them they're like adjacent to and 23 of them they're like adjacent to suicide it would be pretty easy to send suicide it would be pretty easy to send suicide it would be pretty easy to send them certain like videos that are going them certain like videos that are going them certain like videos that are going to push them over the edge if you want to push them over the edge if you want to push them over the edge if you want to do it that way yeah so you know again to do it that way yeah so you know again to do it that way yeah so you know again obviously who knows but once it goes obviously who knows but once it goes obviously who knows but once it goes online it's going to be fast and then online it's going to be fast and then online it's going to be fast and then you could expect to see the world you could expect to see the world you could expect to see the world changing in ways that you might not changing in ways that you might not changing in ways that you might not associate with an ai but as far as associate with an ai but as far as associate with an ai but as far as lemoyne goes when i was listening to lemoyne goes when i was listening to lemoyne goes when i was listening to bostrom bostrom bostrom i don't remember him mentioning the i don't remember him mentioning the i don't remember him mentioning the possibility possibility possibility that that that it would get leaked to the public that it would get leaked to the public that it would get leaked to the public that it had happened that before the it had happened that before the it had happened that before the corporation was ready to announce that corporation was ready to announce that corporation was ready to announce that it happened it would get leaked but it happened it would get leaked but it happened it would get leaked but surely you know i'm sure you know like surely you know i'm sure you know like surely you know i'm sure you know like people in the intelligence and people in the intelligence and people in the intelligence and intelligence agencies you know shit intelligence agencies you know shit intelligence agencies you know shit leaks like inevitably shit leaks leaks like inevitably shit leaks leaks like inevitably shit leaks nothing's airtight so if something that nothing's airtight so if something that nothing's airtight so if something that massive happened i think you would start massive happened i think you would start massive happened i think you would start hearing whispers about it first and then hearing whispers about it first and then hearing whispers about it first and then denial from the state or corporation denial from the state or corporation denial from the state or corporation that doesn't have any like economic that doesn't have any like economic that doesn't have any like economic interest and people knowing that this interest and people knowing that this interest and people knowing that this sort of thing has happened again i'm not sort of thing has happened again i'm not sort of thing has happened again i'm not saying google is like trying to gaslight saying google is like trying to gaslight saying google is like trying to gaslight us about its ai i think they probably us about its ai i think they probably us about its ai i think they probably legitimately don't think it's sentient legitimately don't think it's sentient legitimately don't think it's sentient but but but you could expect leaks to happen you could expect leaks to happen you could expect leaks to happen probably initially i mean i think probably initially i mean i think probably initially i mean i think there's a lot of things you could start there's a lot of things you could start there's a lot of things you could start looking for in the world that might looking for in the world that might looking for in the world that might point to point to point to this happening without this happening without this happening without an announcement that it happened on the

an announcement that it happened on the an announcement that it happened on the chatbot side chatbot side chatbot side i think there's i think there's i think there's so many engineers there's such a so many engineers there's such a so many engineers there's such a powerful open source movement powerful open source movement powerful open source movement with that kind of idea with that kind of idea with that kind of idea of of of freedom of exchange of software freedom of exchange of software freedom of exchange of software i think ultimately i think ultimately i think ultimately will prevent any one company from owning will prevent any one company from owning will prevent any one company from owning uh super intelligent beings uh uh super intelligent beings uh uh super intelligent beings uh or systems that are have anything like or systems that are have anything like or systems that are have anything like super intelligence super intelligence super intelligence oh that's interesting yeah it's like oh that's interesting yeah it's like oh that's interesting yeah it's like even if even if even if the software developers have signed ndas the software developers have signed ndas the software developers have signed ndas and are technically not to be not and are technically not to be not and are technically not to be not supposed to be sharing supposed to be sharing supposed to be sharing whatever it is they're working on whatever it is they're working on whatever it is they're working on they're friends with other programmers they're friends with other programmers they're friends with other programmers and a lot of them are hackers and have and a lot of them are hackers and have and a lot of them are hackers and have wrapped themselves up in the idea of wrapped themselves up in the idea of wrapped themselves up in the idea of free software being like an a crucial free software being like an a crucial free software being like an a crucial ethical part of what they do so they're ethical part of what they do so they're ethical part of what they do so they're probably going to share information probably going to share information probably going to share information even if whatever company that they're even if whatever company that they're even if whatever company that they're working for doesn't know that that's i working for doesn't know that that's i working for doesn't know that that's i never thought of that you're probably never thought of that you're probably never thought of that you're probably right well and they will start their own right well and they will start their own right well and they will start their own companies companies companies and compete with the other company and compete with the other company and compete with the other company by being more open there there's a by being more open there there's a by being more open there there's a strong like google is one of those strong like google is one of those strong like google is one of those companies actually that's why i kind of companies actually that's why i kind of companies actually that's why i kind of um it hurts to see a little bit of this um it hurts to see a little bit of this um it hurts to see a little bit of this kind of negativity google's one of the kind of negativity google's one of the kind of negativity google's one of the companies that pioneered uh open source companies that pioneered uh open source companies that pioneered uh open source movement yeah where he released so much movement yeah where he released so much movement yeah where he released so much of their code of their code of their code so so much of the 20th century so like so so much of the 20th century so like so so much of the 20th century so like the 90s the 90s the 90s was defined by people trying to like was defined by people trying to like was defined by people trying to like hide their code like a large company is hide their code like a large company is hide their code like a large company is trying to like hold on to them right the

trying to like hold on to them right the trying to like hold on to them right the fact that companies that google fact that companies that google fact that companies that google even facebook now are releasing things even facebook now are releasing things even facebook now are releasing things like tensorflow and pytorch all of these like tensorflow and pytorch all of these like tensorflow and pytorch all of these things that i think companies of the things that i think companies of the things that i think companies of the past would have tried to hold on to is past would have tried to hold on to is past would have tried to hold on to is yeah as a secret is really inspiring and yeah as a secret is really inspiring and yeah as a secret is really inspiring and i think i think i think more of that is better software world more of that is better software world more of that is better software world really shows that i agree with you man i really shows that i agree with you man i really shows that i agree with you man i mean we're talking about just a mean we're talking about just a mean we're talking about just a primordial human primordial human primordial human reaction to the unknown there's just no reaction to the unknown there's just no reaction to the unknown there's just no way out of it like we don't we want to way out of it like we don't we want to way out of it like we don't we want to know like you're about to go in a forest know like you're about to go in a forest know like you're about to go in a forest you want to know when you're walking in you want to know when you're walking in you want to know when you're walking in the forest at night and you hear the forest at night and you hear the forest at night and you hear something you you look because you're something you you look because you're something you you look because you're like what the fuck was that you wanna like what the fuck was that you wanna like what the fuck was that you wanna know and if you can't see know and if you can't see know and if you can't see what made the sound holy shit that's what made the sound holy shit that's what made the sound holy shit that's gonna be a bad night hike cause you're gonna be a bad night hike cause you're gonna be a bad night hike cause you're like well it's probably a bear right like well it's probably a bear right like well it's probably a bear right like i'm about to get ripped apart by a like i'm about to get ripped apart by a like i'm about to get ripped apart by a bear it doesn't matter it was a bird a bear it doesn't matter it was a bird a bear it doesn't matter it was a bird a squirrel a stick fell out of the tree squirrel a stick fell out of the tree squirrel a stick fell out of the tree you're gonna think bear and it's gonna you're gonna think bear and it's gonna you're gonna think bear and it's gonna freak you out not necessarily because freak you out not necessarily because freak you out not necessarily because you're paranoid i mean if i'm in the you're paranoid i mean if i'm in the you're paranoid i mean if i'm in the woods at night i'm definitely high if woods at night i'm definitely high if woods at night i'm definitely high if i'm walking in the woods at night am i i'm walking in the woods at night am i i'm walking in the woods at night am i it's gonna be that but you know what i'm it's gonna be that but you know what i'm it's gonna be that but you know what i'm saying so with these tech companies saying so with these tech companies saying so with these tech companies the the nature of having to be secret the the nature of having to be secret the the nature of having to be secret because you are because you are because you are in capitalism and you are trying to be in capitalism and you are trying to be in capitalism and you are trying to be competitive and you are trying to competitive and you are trying to competitive and you are trying to develop things ahead of your competitors develop things ahead of your competitors develop things ahead of your competitors is you have to create this like there's is you have to create this like there's is you have to create this like there's we don't know what's going on at google we don't know what's going on at google we don't know what's going on at google we don't know what's going on at the cia we don't know what's going on at the cia we don't know what's going on at the cia but the assumption that there's some but the assumption that there's some but the assumption that there's some like the the collective of any massive like the the collective of any massive like the the collective of any massive secretive organization is evil as this secretive organization is evil as this secretive organization is evil as this like the people working there like

like the people working there like like the people working there like nefarious or whatever is i think nefarious or whatever is i think nefarious or whatever is i think probably more related to probably more related to probably more related to uh the way humans react to the unknown uh the way humans react to the unknown uh the way humans react to the unknown yeah i wish they weren't so secretive yeah i wish they weren't so secretive yeah i wish they weren't so secretive though i don't understand why they say though i don't understand why they say though i don't understand why they say hey it has to be so secretive have you hey it has to be so secretive have you hey it has to be so secretive have you ever gone on their website ever gone on their website ever gone on their website no oh lex no oh lex no oh lex you gotta say hey.gov you gotta say hey.gov you gotta say hey.gov what is it dude when i found out you what is it dude when i found out you what is it dude when i found out you could go on the cia's website when i was could go on the cia's website when i was could go on the cia's website when i was much younger and more paranoid i'm like much younger and more paranoid i'm like much younger and more paranoid i'm like i'm not going there i'll get on a list i'm not going there i'll get on a list i'm not going there i'll get on a list you will but it's like what do you think you will but it's like what do you think you will but it's like what do you think the cia is like the cia is like the cia is like oh fuck this oh fuck this oh fuck this this comic on our website yeah call call this comic on our website yeah call call this comic on our website yeah call call out the black helicopters but comic with out the black helicopters but comic with out the black helicopters but comic with a large platform oh yes yeah right a a large platform oh yes yeah right a a large platform oh yes yeah right a comic with a large platform you can you comic with a large platform you can you comic with a large platform you can you can use them to control to control to can use them to control to control to can use them to control to control to get inside to get inside to get close to get inside to get inside to get close to get inside to get inside to get close to the other comics the other columns of the other comics the other columns of the other comics the other columns of the large part to get close to joe rogan the large part to get close to joe rogan the large part to get close to joe rogan oh yeah and start yeah and start to oh yeah and start yeah and start to oh yeah and start yeah and start to manipulate the public yeah right right manipulate the public yeah right right manipulate the public yeah right right you know honestly like you know honestly like you know honestly like you kind of like that was that's like a you kind of like that was that's like a you kind of like that was that's like a fun fantasy to think about like how fun fantasy to think about like how fun fantasy to think about like how fucking cool would that be for like the fucking cool would that be for like the fucking cool would that be for like the men in black to come to you and be like men in black to come to you and be like men in black to come to you and be like listen listen listen i need you to infiltrate the fucking i need you to infiltrate the fucking i need you to infiltrate the fucking comedy scene comedy scene comedy scene you gotta you gotta help them write you gotta you gotta help them write you gotta you gotta help them write better jokes i'm like i don't write better jokes i'm like i don't write better jokes i'm like i don't write great jokes but like the you you found the wrong guy yeah like you you found the wrong guy yeah like you're really playing the long game on you're really playing the long game on you're really playing the long game on this one because i think you've been this one because i think you've been this one because i think you've been on um you've been doing your podcast for on um you've been doing your podcast for on um you've been doing your podcast for a long time you've been on joe rogan's a long time you've been on joe rogan's a long time you've been on joe rogan's podcast like over 50 times and have not podcast like over 50 times and have not podcast like over 50 times and have not yet initiated the phase two of the yet initiated the phase two of the yet initiated the phase two of the operation where you try to manipulate operation where you try to manipulate operation where you try to manipulate his mind

his mind his mind well no the game joe and i play from well no the game joe and i play from well no the game joe and i play from time to time on the podcast time to time on the podcast time to time on the podcast and like and i i honestly like at some and like and i i honestly like at some and like and i i honestly like at some point i'm like joe i just did the same point i'm like joe i just did the same point i'm like joe i just did the same thing you did to me to joe i'm like thing you did to me to joe i'm like thing you did to me to joe i'm like don't you think they can get you don't don't you think they can get you don't don't you think they can get you don't you think at some point you think at some point you think at some point we we are blazed i don't mean it i don't we we are blazed i don't mean it i don't we we are blazed i don't mean it i don't think i don't think joe's like it wasn't think i don't think joe's like it wasn't think i don't think joe's like it wasn't like i'm really thinking like man like i'm really thinking like man like i'm really thinking like man they're gonna take him into some room they're gonna take him into some room they're gonna take him into some room and be like joe we need you to do this and be like joe we need you to do this and be like joe we need you to do this or that but because i said that or that but because i said that or that but because i said that now people like ah duncan called it you now people like ah duncan called it you now people like ah duncan called it you know what i mean and it's like know what i mean and it's like know what i mean and it's like you know what i mean and and though the you know what i mean and and though the you know what i mean and and though the reason they were saying well he called reason they were saying well he called reason they were saying well he called it is just because joe has a super it is just because joe has a super it is just because joe has a super popular podcast and people like popular podcast and people like popular podcast and people like when you have a super popular podcast when you have a super popular podcast when you have a super popular podcast some percentage of people some percentage of people some percentage of people watching the podcast are going to be you watching the podcast are going to be you watching the podcast are going to be you know believe things like that they're know believe things like that they're know believe things like that they're going to have a paranoid cognitive bias going to have a paranoid cognitive bias going to have a paranoid cognitive bias that makes them think anybody who is in that makes them think anybody who is in that makes them think anybody who is in the public has been the public has been the public has been what's the word for compromised what's the word for compromised what's the word for compromised compromised by the state compromised by the state compromised by the state look i'll fan the flames of what you look i'll fan the flames of what you look i'll fan the flames of what you just said with a i went on the cia's just said with a i went on the cia's just said with a i went on the cia's website and i realized that you could website and i realized that you could website and i realized that you could apply for a job on the cia's website apply for a job on the cia's website apply for a job on the cia's website which i found to be hilarious so i'm which i found to be hilarious so i'm which i found to be hilarious so i'm like all right what happens if i apply like all right what happens if i apply like all right what happens if i apply for a job in the cia now for a job in the cia now for a job in the cia now even then i was not like such an idiot even then i was not like such an idiot even then i was not like such an idiot that that that i would want a job at the cia i would want a job at the cia i would want a job at the cia not just for like ethical considerations not just for like ethical considerations not just for like ethical considerations but but but i think the skip probably the scariest i think the skip probably the scariest i think the skip probably the scariest part about the cia is like you're just part about the cia is like you're just part about the cia is like you're just at a cubicle

at a cubicle at a cubicle and you're like having to deal with maps and you're like having to deal with maps and you're like having to deal with maps and like just you know what i mean just and like just you know what i mean just and like just you know what i mean just stuff stuff stuff lots of paperwork paperwork it sucks i lots of paperwork paperwork it sucks i lots of paperwork paperwork it sucks i bet their cafeteria has shitty food bet their cafeteria has shitty food bet their cafeteria has shitty food anyone in the cia listening can you anyone in the cia listening can you anyone in the cia listening can you confirm that about the food they're not confirm that about the food they're not confirm that about the food they're not gonna be able to tell you what the food gonna be able to tell you what the food gonna be able to tell you what the food is like i can't even secretive is like i can't even secretive is like i can't even secretive organization no they might it might be organization no they might it might be organization no they might it might be awesome but we won't know about it okay awesome but we won't know about it okay awesome but we won't know about it okay we're in vegas yeah and we're in vegas yeah and we're in vegas yeah and you can bat you can bat you can bat food at the cia cafeteria is good food at the cia cafeteria is good food at the cia cafeteria is good food at the ca cafeteria sucks food at the ca cafeteria sucks food at the ca cafeteria sucks what do you bet not what do you bet not what do you bet not so let's let's like uh cleanse the so let's let's like uh cleanse the so let's let's like uh cleanse the palette what's good it's like you know palette what's good it's like you know palette what's good it's like you know silicon valley companies google and so silicon valley companies google and so silicon valley companies google and so on that's good when i went to netflix on that's good when i went to netflix on that's good when i went to netflix their cafeteria looked like a medieval their cafeteria looked like a medieval their cafeteria looked like a medieval feast like they had pigs with apples in feast like they had pigs with apples in feast like they had pigs with apples in their mouth and their mouth and their mouth and giant bowls of skittles probably like giant bowls of skittles probably like giant bowls of skittles probably like vegan pigs yeah vegan pigs yeah vegan pigs yeah no those are i'm pretty oh i didn't know no those are i'm pretty oh i didn't know no those are i'm pretty oh i didn't know i didn't get close enough i was like i i didn't get close enough i was like i i didn't get close enough i was like i think that was a pig think that was a pig think that was a pig okay okay okay this is literally a pig this is literally a pig this is literally a pig um yeah um yeah um yeah yeah you're right you're right i yeah you're right you're right i yeah you're right you're right i probably would not bet much money on cia probably would not bet much money on cia probably would not bet much money on cia food being any good right it's it's food being any good right it's it's food being any good right it's it's gotta suck it's like shitty like pasta gotta suck it's like shitty like pasta gotta suck it's like shitty like pasta probably like hospital food it's like probably like hospital food it's like probably like hospital food it's like maybe a little better than when you go maybe a little better than when you go maybe a little better than when you go to the hospital cafeteria but anyway to the hospital cafeteria but anyway to the hospital cafeteria but anyway folks at the cia please uh send me folks at the cia please uh send me folks at the cia please uh send me evidence evidence evidence uh or any other intelligence agencies if uh or any other intelligence agencies if uh or any other intelligence agencies if you would like to recruit some you would like to recruit some you would like to recruit some evidence of better food yes sin lex can

evidence of better food yes sin lex can evidence of better food yes sin lex can you please send likes pictures of the you please send likes pictures of the you please send likes pictures of the cia cafeteria and if you accidentally cia cafeteria and if you accidentally cia cafeteria and if you accidentally send them pictures of the aliens or the send them pictures of the aliens or the send them pictures of the aliens or the alien technology you have that we won't alien technology you have that we won't alien technology you have that we won't tell anybody yeah but the the uh tell anybody yeah but the the uh tell anybody yeah but the the uh you tried to apply do you even have a you tried to apply do you even have a you tried to apply do you even have a resume no this yeah i would never resume no this yeah i would never resume no this yeah i would never fucking hire me ever but like i applied fucking hire me ever but like i applied fucking hire me ever but like i applied for the job and uh just out of curiosity for the job and uh just out of curiosity for the job and uh just out of curiosity what happens and then at the end what happens and then at the end what happens and then at the end of the application when you hit enter it of the application when you hit enter it of the application when you hit enter it says says says well first it says don't tell anyone you well first it says don't tell anyone you well first it says don't tell anyone you apply for the cia so i'm already out but apply for the cia so i'm already out but apply for the cia so i'm already out but the second thing it says is the second thing it says is the second thing it says is you don't need to reach out to us we'll you don't need to reach out to us we'll you don't need to reach out to us we'll come to you yeah which is really when come to you yeah which is really when come to you yeah which is really when you're like it's late at night and you're like it's late at night and you're like it's late at night and you're being an asshole and applied to you're being an asshole and applied to you're being an asshole and applied to work at the cia it's kind of the last work at the cia it's kind of the last work at the cia it's kind of the last thing you want to hear thing you want to hear thing you want to hear you know you know i don't want to be you know you know i don't want to be you know you know i don't want to be secretly approached by some intelligence secretly approached by some intelligence secretly approached by some intelligence officers now anyone who talks to you you officers now anyone who talks to you you officers now anyone who talks to you you think is a cia's saying remember that think is a cia's saying remember that think is a cia's saying remember that time you applied time you applied time you applied oh god yeah yeah sometimes i'm like oh oh god yeah yeah sometimes i'm like oh oh god yeah yeah sometimes i'm like oh shit are you one of them shit are you one of them shit are you one of them you and uh joe had a bunch of you and uh joe had a bunch of you and uh joe had a bunch of conversations conversations conversations and they're and they're and they're always incredible thanks so in terms of always incredible thanks so in terms of always incredible thanks so in terms of this dance of conversation of your this dance of conversation of your this dance of conversation of your friendship friendship friendship of when you get together like what is of when you get together like what is of when you get together like what is that world you go to that creates that world you go to that creates that world you go to that creates magic together because we're talking magic together because we're talking magic together because we're talking about how we do that with robots about how we do that with robots about how we do that with robots how do these two biological robots do how do these two biological robots do how do these two biological robots do that can you introspect that i met joe that can you introspect that i met joe that can you introspect that i met joe because because because i was a i was the talent coordinator of i was a i was the talent coordinator of i was a i was the talent coordinator of the comedy store this club in la

the comedy store this club in la the comedy store this club in la and my job was to take phone calls from and my job was to take phone calls from and my job was to take phone calls from comics and so comics and so comics and so at some point i don't know joe i ended at some point i don't know joe i ended at some point i don't know joe i ended up on the phone with joe and we just up on the phone with joe and we just up on the phone with joe and we just started talking started talking started talking and and and you know i looked up and like 30 minutes you know i looked up and like 30 minutes you know i looked up and like 30 minutes had passed we just been talking for like had passed we just been talking for like had passed we just been talking for like 30 minutes that's what our friends are 30 minutes that's what our friends are 30 minutes that's what our friends are you know we're just like we're having you know we're just like we're having you know we're just like we're having fun talking and then he would just call fun talking and then he would just call fun talking and then he would just call and we would talk and we would basically and we would talk and we would basically and we would talk and we would basically i mean it was no different from the i mean it was no different from the i mean it was no different from the podcast like we podcast like we podcast like we though the conversations we have on the though the conversations we have on the though the conversations we have on the podcast are identical to the podcast are identical to the podcast are identical to the conversations we had before he was even conversations we had before he was even conversations we had before he was even doing a podcast so i think doing a podcast so i think doing a podcast so i think uh uh uh people are just seeing two friends people are just seeing two friends people are just seeing two friends hanging out hanging out hanging out who like talking to each other yeah but who like talking to each other yeah but who like talking to each other yeah but there's a there's this there's a there's this there's a there's this weird like you're you you serve as weird like you're you you serve as weird like you're you you serve as catalyst for each other to go into some catalyst for each other to go into some catalyst for each other to go into some crazy places crazy places crazy places so it's like uh it's a balance of so it's like uh it's a balance of so it's like uh it's a balance of curiosity and willingness curiosity and willingness curiosity and willingness to not be constrained to not be constrained to not be constrained uh to not be limited to the constraints uh to not be limited to the constraints uh to not be limited to the constraints of reality of reality of reality yeah yeah in your exploration place it's yeah yeah in your exploration place it's yeah yeah in your exploration place it's a very very nice way of saying that a very very nice way of saying that a very very nice way of saying that you just like build on top of each other you just like build on top of each other you just like build on top of each other like uh like uh like uh you know what if things are like this you know what if things are like this you know what if things are like this and you feel like lego blocks on top of and you feel like lego blocks on top of and you feel like lego blocks on top of each other and it just goes to crazy each other and it just goes to crazy each other and it just goes to crazy places adds some drugs into that and places adds some drugs into that and places adds some drugs into that and just goes wild yeah and you know he like just goes wild yeah and you know he like just goes wild yeah and you know he like it's so cool because it's like uh it's so cool because it's like uh it's so cool because it's like uh you know it's a it's a it's a for me you know it's a it's a it's a for me you know it's a it's a it's a for me it's like a really like sometimes maybe it's like a really like sometimes maybe it's like a really like sometimes maybe i'll throw something out i'll throw something out i'll throw something out that he will take and the lego building that he will take and the lego building that he will take and the lego building blocks you're talking about they lead to

blocks you're talking about they lead to blocks you're talking about they lead to him saying like the funniest shit i ever him saying like the funniest shit i ever him saying like the funniest shit i ever in my life so it's that's a cool thing in my life so it's that's a cool thing in my life so it's that's a cool thing to watch it's just like some idea you've to watch it's just like some idea you've to watch it's just like some idea you've been kicking around you watch his brain been kicking around you watch his brain been kicking around you watch his brain shift that into like something supremely shift that into like something supremely shift that into like something supremely funny yeah i really love that man that's funny yeah i really love that man that's funny yeah i really love that man that's just like a fun thing to like just like a fun thing to like just like a fun thing to like see happen he knows that i fucking hate see happen he knows that i fucking hate see happen he knows that i fucking hate the videos the videos the videos of animals eating each other like i of animals eating each other like i of animals eating each other like i don't like that i don't want to watch it don't like that i don't want to watch it don't like that i don't want to watch it i hate watching it i hate watching it i hate watching it i don't think i've even articulated on i don't think i've even articulated on i don't think i've even articulated on his podcast how much his podcast how much his podcast how much i dislike it when he shows animals i dislike it when he shows animals i dislike it when he shows animals eating each other but he knows because eating each other but he knows because eating each other but he knows because he knows me he knows me he knows me and so he he tortures you like when he and so he he tortures you like when he and so he he tortures you like when he starts doing that it's like this kind of starts doing that it's like this kind of starts doing that it's like this kind of benevolent torture is he like asking benevolent torture is he like asking benevolent torture is he like asking jamie to pull up jamie to pull up jamie to pull up increasingly disturbing animal attack increasingly disturbing animal attack increasingly disturbing animal attack videos so it's just a it's a it's just a videos so it's just a it's a it's just a videos so it's just a it's a it's just a there's a shit even in torture because there's a shit even in torture because there's a shit even in torture because i'm reading about torture in the gulag i'm reading about torture in the gulag i'm reading about torture in the gulag archipelago currently there's a bit of a archipelago currently there's a bit of a archipelago currently there's a bit of a camaraderie you're in it together camaraderie you're in it together camaraderie you're in it together the torture and the tortured what the torture and the tortured what the torture and the tortured what oh god that's so fucked up man i've oh god that's so fucked up man i've oh god that's so fucked up man i've never never never no i i mean part of it was joke but as i no i i mean part of it was joke but as i no i i mean part of it was joke but as i was saying it that you're right that was saying it that you're right that was saying it that you're right that also comes out in the in the book also comes out in the in the book also comes out in the in the book because they're both fucked they're both because they're both fucked they're both because they're both fucked they're both they're both um have no control of their they're both um have no control of their they're both um have no control of their fate um that same was true in fate um that same was true in fate um that same was true in the camp guards in nazi germany and and the camp guards in nazi germany and and the camp guards in nazi germany and and the people in the camps the people in the camps the people in the camps the worst was brought out in the guards

the worst was brought out in the guards the worst was brought out in the guards uh but they were in it together in some uh but they were in it together in some uh but they were in it together in some dark way dark way dark way they're both fucked by a very powerful they're both fucked by a very powerful they're both fucked by a very powerful system that put them in that place yeah system that put them in that place yeah system that put them in that place yeah and both of us could be either player in and both of us could be either player in and both of us could be either player in that system which is the dark that system which is the dark that system which is the dark reality that soldier knits and also reality that soldier knits and also reality that soldier knits and also reveals reveals reveals that uh the line between good and evil that uh the line between good and evil that uh the line between good and evil runs to the heart every man as he wrote runs to the heart every man as he wrote runs to the heart every man as he wrote in gulag in gulag in gulag archipelago archipelago archipelago but it is that amidst all that there's a but it is that amidst all that there's a but it is that amidst all that there's a i don't know the good vibes the i don't know the good vibes the i don't know the good vibes the positivity comes out from the both of positivity comes out from the both of positivity comes out from the both of you and that's beautiful to see that is you and that's beautiful to see that is you and that's beautiful to see that is i suppose friendship uh what do you i suppose friendship uh what do you i suppose friendship uh what do you think makes a good friend think makes a good friend think makes a good friend oh god i mean it's a bill you know it's oh god i mean it's a bill you know it's oh god i mean it's a bill you know it's a billion it's a billion things that a billion it's a billion things that a billion it's a billion things that make a good friend but i think you could make a good friend but i think you could make a good friend but i think you could break it down to some rgb i think you break it down to some rgb i think you break it down to some rgb i think you can go rgb with like a good friendship can go rgb with like a good friendship can go rgb with like a good friendship oh in terms of the color the red green oh in terms of the color the red green oh in terms of the color the red green yeah yeah i think you could probably yeah yeah i think you could probably yeah yeah i think you could probably come up with some like fundamental come up with some like fundamental come up with some like fundamental qualities of friendship and i'd say qualities of friendship and i'd say qualities of friendship and i'd say uh uh uh number one it's love like it's number one it's love like it's number one it's love like it's friendship is love it's uh it's a form friendship is love it's uh it's a form friendship is love it's uh it's a form of love uh of love uh of love uh so so so obviously without that i don't know how obviously without that i don't know how obviously without that i don't know how you you you i mean i'm not saying i think if you're i mean i'm not saying i think if you're i mean i'm not saying i think if you're true friends you love each other so you true friends you love each other so you true friends you love each other so you need that but love obviously it's not need that but love obviously it's not need that but love obviously it's not that's not it that's not enough it's that's not it that's not enough it's that's not it that's not enough it's like like like with with with uh uh uh true friends have to be like incredibly true friends have to be like incredibly true friends have to be like incredibly honest with each other and not like you honest with each other and not like you honest with each other and not like you know what i mean but know what i mean but know what i mean but not like uh not like uh not like uh i don't like i think there's a kind of i don't like i think there's a kind of i don't like i think there's a kind of like i don't know if you've ever noticed like i don't know if you've ever noticed like i don't know if you've ever noticed like some people who say you know i just like some people who say you know i just like some people who say you know i just tell it like it is yeah but the thing tell it like it is yeah but the thing tell it like it is yeah but the thing they do those are always the assholes

they do those are always the assholes they do those are always the assholes yeah why is it that your talent like it yeah why is it that your talent like it yeah why is it that your talent like it is is always negative why is it it's is is always negative why is it it's is is always negative why is it it's always cynical or shitty or you're like always cynical or shitty or you're like always cynical or shitty or you're like nagging somebody or me how come you're nagging somebody or me how come you're nagging somebody or me how come you're not telling it like it is when it's good not telling it like it is when it's good not telling it like it is when it's good too yeah you know what i mean so we sort too yeah you know what i mean so we sort too yeah you know what i mean so we sort of like trust but of like trust but of like trust but but but but a pro evolutionary kind of trust you a pro evolutionary kind of trust you a pro evolutionary kind of trust you know what i mean like you know that know what i mean like you know that know what i mean like you know that your friend loves you and your friend loves you and your friend loves you and wants you to be yourself because if you wants you to be yourself because if you wants you to be yourself because if you weren't yourself then you wouldn't be weren't yourself then you wouldn't be weren't yourself then you wouldn't be their friend you'd be some other thing their friend you'd be some other thing their friend you'd be some other thing but also but also but also they might be seeing your blind spots they might be seeing your blind spots they might be seeing your blind spots that other people in your life your that other people in your life your that other people in your life your family your wife whoever might not be family your wife whoever might not be family your wife whoever might not be seeing yeah so that's a good friend as seeing yeah so that's a good friend as seeing yeah so that's a good friend as someone who like loves you enough to someone who like loves you enough to someone who like loves you enough to when it matters when it matters when it matters be like hey be like hey be like hey are you all right are you all right are you all right and then help you see something you and then help you see something you and then help you see something you might not be seeing but hopefully they might not be seeing but hopefully they might not be seeing but hopefully they only do that once or twice a year you only do that once or twice a year you only do that once or twice a year you know yeah yeah but there's something i i know yeah yeah but there's something i i know yeah yeah but there's something i i mean it's just mean it's just mean it's just this world especially in if you're a this world especially in if you're a this world especially in if you're a public figure this this world public figure this this world public figure this this world has its uh has its uh has its uh has has has plenty of critics plenty of critics plenty of critics and it feels like a friend and it feels like a friend and it feels like a friend uh uh uh the criticism part the criticism part the criticism part is already done is already done is already done for you for you for you i think a good friend is just there to i think a good friend is just there to i think a good friend is just there to support support support to actually notice the good stuff but in to actually notice the good stuff but in to actually notice the good stuff but in comedy comedy comedy we need like that what what like we need like that what what like we need like that what what like it's really good in comedy to have it's really good in comedy to have it's really good in comedy to have someone you can like be like what do you

someone you can like be like what do you someone you can like be like what do you think of that think of that think of that and know that they're not going to be and know that they're not going to be and know that they're not going to be like that that's for the craft the craft like that that's for the craft the craft like that that's for the craft the craft itself like the work you do not the itself like the work you do not the itself like the work you do not the uh uh uh yeah yeah yeah interesting but that's so tough interesting but that's so tough interesting but that's so tough yeah whatever your particular art form yeah whatever your particular art form yeah whatever your particular art form or whatever you are doing i mean you or whatever you are doing i mean you or whatever you are doing i mean you don't always be leaning on your friends don't always be leaning on your friends don't always be leaning on your friends opinions for like your own innovation opinions for like your own innovation opinions for like your own innovation but it's nice to know that you have but it's nice to know that you have but it's nice to know that you have someone who not just with jokes but with someone who not just with jokes but with someone who not just with jokes but with anything if you go to them and run anything if you go to them and run anything if you go to them and run something by them they're gonna like something by them they're gonna like something by them they're gonna like they're gonna be honest with you about they're gonna be honest with you about they're gonna be honest with you about like their their real feelings regarding like their their real feelings regarding like their their real feelings regarding that thing because that helps you grow that thing because that helps you grow that thing because that helps you grow as a person we need that and it hurts as a person we need that and it hurts as a person we need that and it hurts sometimes and we don't want to hurt our sometimes and we don't want to hurt our sometimes and we don't want to hurt our friends one of the more satanic like friends one of the more satanic like friends one of the more satanic like impulses when you're with somebody is is impulses when you're with somebody is is impulses when you're with somebody is is not wanting to not wanting to not wanting to honestly answer whatever they're asking honestly answer whatever they're asking honestly answer whatever they're asking in that regard or wanting to like put in that regard or wanting to like put in that regard or wanting to like put their temporary feelings over something their temporary feelings over something their temporary feelings over something that you've recognized is maybe not that you've recognized is maybe not that you've recognized is maybe not great i'm i'm not saying a friendship is great i'm i'm not saying a friendship is great i'm i'm not saying a friendship is something where you're always critiquing something where you're always critiquing something where you're always critiquing or evolving each other it's not your or evolving each other it's not your or evolving each other it's not your therapist or whatever but it's nice when therapist or whatever but it's nice when therapist or whatever but it's nice when it's there you know i think that's it's there you know i think that's it's there you know i think that's another aspect of another aspect of another aspect of friendship yeah but yeah love is at the friendship yeah but yeah love is at the friendship yeah but yeah love is at the core of that you've noticed i've met core of that you've noticed i've met core of that you've noticed i've met people in my life where almost people in my life where almost people in my life where almost immediately sometimes it takes time immediately sometimes it takes time immediately sometimes it takes time where you notice like there's a magic where you notice like there's a magic where you notice like there's a magic between the two you like oh shit you between the two you like oh shit you between the two you like oh shit you seem to be made from the same cloth seem to be made from the same cloth seem to be made from the same cloth yeah whatever that is well you know we yeah whatever that is well you know we yeah whatever that is well you know we have a name for that in the spiritual have a name for that in the spiritual have a name for that in the spiritual community it's called satsang and it's i community it's called satsang and it's i community it's called satsang and it's i love the idea love the idea love the idea it's uh it's uh it's uh basically like if nietzsche's idea of basically like if nietzsche's idea of basically like if nietzsche's idea of infinite recurrence is true

infinite recurrence is true infinite recurrence is true then your satsang would be the people then your satsang would be the people then your satsang would be the people you've been infinitely recurring you've been infinitely recurring you've been infinitely recurring with and those are the people where you with and those are the people where you with and those are the people where you run into them run into them run into them and you've never met them but it's like and you've never met them but it's like and you've never met them but it's like you're picking up a conversation you're picking up a conversation you're picking up a conversation that that that i've never had yeah that uh and that i've never had yeah that uh and that i've never had yeah that uh and that that you know that is based on an idea that you know that is based on an idea that you know that is based on an idea of like this isn't the only life it's we of like this isn't the only life it's we of like this isn't the only life it's we we're always hanging out together we we're always hanging out together we we're always hanging out together we always show up together always show up together always show up together you've had a brush with death you had you've had a brush with death you had you've had a brush with death you had cancer you survived cancer yeah what if cancer you survived cancer yeah what if cancer you survived cancer yeah what if uh how's that change you what what have uh how's that change you what what have uh how's that change you what what have you learned about life you learned about life you learned about life about death about yourself about death about yourself about death about yourself about the whole thing we're going about the whole thing we're going about the whole thing we're going through here from that experience you through here from that experience you through here from that experience you were just in the ukraine yes and you were just in the ukraine yes and you were just in the ukraine yes and you were making observations on this were making observations on this were making observations on this what could what could what could if you heard about it and weren't there if you heard about it and weren't there if you heard about it and weren't there seem like it doesn't make any sense at seem like it doesn't make any sense at seem like it doesn't make any sense at all which is all which is all which is people there are people there are people there are connecting connecting connecting they've lost everything but they're just they've lost everything but they're just they've lost everything but they're just happy to be alive they're happy their happy to be alive they're happy their happy to be alive they're happy their friends are alive so you witness this friends are alive so you witness this friends are alive so you witness this like like like you know when you get in the cancer club you know when you get in the cancer club you know when you get in the cancer club and you're hanging out with people going and you're hanging out with people going and you're hanging out with people going through through through cancer who have survived cancer cancer who have survived cancer cancer who have survived cancer you see this you see this you see this beautiful beautiful beautiful connection with life that connection with life that connection with life that can can easily sort of you can kind of can can easily sort of you can kind of can can easily sort of you can kind of lose lose lose that connection with life if you forget that connection with life if you forget that connection with life if you forget you're going to die forgetting you're you're going to die forgetting you're you're going to die forgetting you're going to die going to die going to die is or that you can die is or that you can die is or that you can die is not just i think from an evolutionary is not just i think from an evolutionary is not just i think from an evolutionary perspective where survival is the game perspective where survival is the game perspective where survival is the game not not going to improve your survival

not not going to improve your survival not not going to improve your survival chances you know if you think you're chances you know if you think you're chances you know if you think you're immortal you know but but also immortal you know but but also immortal you know but but also forgetting that you're you're gonna die forgetting that you're you're gonna die forgetting that you're you're gonna die and that everything and that everything and that everything is around you and everything your your is around you and everything your your is around you and everything your your clothes are probably gonna last longer clothes are probably gonna last longer clothes are probably gonna last longer than you your your equipment is going to than you your your equipment is going to than you your your equipment is going to be around much longer than you you know be around much longer than you you know be around much longer than you you know like so forgetting these things like so forgetting these things like so forgetting these things um um um it can lead you and i know why people it can lead you and i know why people it can lead you and i know why people don't want to think about death because don't want to think about death because don't want to think about death because it's scary it's fucking scary it's it's scary it's fucking scary it's it's scary it's fucking scary it's terrifying so i get why people don't terrifying so i get why people don't terrifying so i get why people don't want to think about it but the idea is want to think about it but the idea is want to think about it but the idea is if i try to pretend i'm not going to die if i try to pretend i'm not going to die if i try to pretend i'm not going to die or just don't think about death or don't or just don't think about death or don't or just don't think about death or don't at least address it then i'll i won't feel scared but it can then i'll i won't feel scared but it can have the opposite effect which is you have the opposite effect which is you have the opposite effect which is you can end up like can end up like can end up like missing a lot of moments you could for missing a lot of moments you could for missing a lot of moments you could for or you you start doing the old kick the or you you start doing the old kick the or you you start doing the old kick the can down the road thing where you're can down the road thing where you're can down the road thing where you're like like like coming up with a variety of ways to coming up with a variety of ways to coming up with a variety of ways to procrastinate procrastinate procrastinate making it work making it work making it work now now now uh because you you know this fucking uh because you you know this fucking uh because you you know this fucking human lifespan idea man it's really human lifespan idea man it's really human lifespan idea man it's really caused a lot of problems when they caused a lot of problems when they caused a lot of problems when they started saying on average this is how started saying on average this is how started saying on average this is how many years you're gonna live if you're a many years you're gonna live if you're a many years you're gonna live if you're a human being man human being man human being man that is like really bad because a lot of that is like really bad because a lot of that is like really bad because a lot of people hear that and they like feel like people hear that and they like feel like people hear that and they like feel like that's a guaranteed that's a guaranteed that's a guaranteed number of years in some temporal bank number of years in some temporal bank number of years in some temporal bank that you know we're gonna do they have that you know we're gonna do they have that you know we're gonna do they have access to access to access to and when you get cancer and when you get cancer and when you get cancer you know that's like when you get the you know that's like when you get the you know that's like when you get the alert on your phone where you're like

alert on your phone where you're like alert on your phone where you're like what the fuck wait what what the fuck wait what what the fuck wait what shit shit shit i like i have like i like i have like i like i have like either i don't know how much money is in either i don't know how much money is in either i don't know how much money is in that bank account or i have way less that bank account or i have way less that bank account or i have way less than i thought than i thought than i thought and so and so and so at that point at that point at that point you get to be in the truth because you get to be in the truth because you get to be in the truth because that's ultimately i think that that's that's ultimately i think that that's that's ultimately i think that that's what he feels like what he feels like what he feels like it feels like truth it's truth it feels like truth it's truth it feels like truth it's truth it's the truth it's the truth like the it's the truth it's the truth like the it's the truth it's the truth like the whole bubble of ignorance that you whole bubble of ignorance that you whole bubble of ignorance that you subconsciously built around yourself to subconsciously built around yourself to subconsciously built around yourself to avoid avoid avoid experiencing the terror of your own experiencing the terror of your own experiencing the terror of your own mortality just it's like a meteorite in mortality just it's like a meteorite in mortality just it's like a meteorite in the form of your doctor the form of your doctor the form of your doctor talking to you just shatters that thing talking to you just shatters that thing talking to you just shatters that thing and now you're like especially with high and now you're like especially with high and now you're like especially with high testicular cancer so testicular cancer so testicular cancer so when you get the diagnosis when you get the diagnosis when you get the diagnosis um it's just like the movies they the it's just like the movies they the mother the doctor took me in his office mother the doctor took me in his office mother the doctor took me in his office and you just know and you just know and you just know i got cancer it's like you don't even i got cancer it's like you don't even i got cancer it's like you don't even have to say it's like i know what you're have to say it's like i know what you're have to say it's like i know what you're about to say i'm in the office i know about to say i'm in the office i know about to say i'm in the office i know how this goes but you you go in there how this goes but you you go in there how this goes but you you go in there and what you was you were thinking oh and what you was you were thinking oh and what you was you were thinking oh you know probably i just have some weird you know probably i just have some weird you know probably i just have some weird thing in my ball that's why it's swollen thing in my ball that's why it's swollen thing in my ball that's why it's swollen up like that anytime i've gone to the up like that anytime i've gone to the up like that anytime i've gone to the doctor you always leave like oh cool i'm doctor you always leave like oh cool i'm doctor you always leave like oh cool i'm fine but no that's not you're gonna fine but no that's not you're gonna fine but no that's not you're gonna leave the doctor you're gonna leave the leave the doctor you're gonna leave the leave the doctor you're gonna leave the doctor in a completely different doctor in a completely different doctor in a completely different universe than the one you grew up in universe than the one you grew up in universe than the one you grew up in you're going to go from talk about you're going to go from talk about you're going to go from talk about multiverse you just popped into a brand multiverse you just popped into a brand multiverse you just popped into a brand new multiverse so what was the new multiverse so what was the new multiverse so what was the conversation with a doctor like was conversation with a doctor like was conversation with a doctor like was there like

there like there like from a perspective of a doctor from a perspective of a doctor from a perspective of a doctor boy is that a hard conversation i feel boy is that a hard conversation i feel boy is that a hard conversation i feel like you need to build up like you need to build up like you need to build up philosophically to that conversation philosophically to that conversation philosophically to that conversation oh no oh no oh no oh no there's not time he's busy he's oh no there's not time he's busy he's oh no there's not time he's busy he's got other appointments you know also got other appointments you know also got other appointments you know also if you're gonna get cancer testicular if you're gonna get cancer testicular if you're gonna get cancer testicular cancer is you know not that there is a cancer is you know not that there is a cancer is you know not that there is a great cancer to get but that's you know great cancer to get but that's you know great cancer to get but that's you know that's a good one because it moves that's a good one because it moves that's a good one because it moves slowly slowly slowly uh uh uh the the the treatments they have for it are treatments they have for it are treatments they have for it are really advanced now and so if you if you really advanced now and so if you if you really advanced now and so if you if you catch it early catch it early catch it early then uh you know generally it's then uh you know generally it's then uh you know generally it's it's good you can survive it so it's good you can survive it so it's good you can survive it so so he could offer at least some glimmer so he could offer at least some glimmer so he could offer at least some glimmer of hope yeah yeah exactly i mean you of hope yeah yeah exactly i mean you of hope yeah yeah exactly i mean you know you know but he didn't really do he know you know but he didn't really do he know you know but he didn't really do he couldn't really offer that hope couldn't really offer that hope couldn't really offer that hope because because because we had to find out how far the cancer we had to find out how far the cancer we had to find out how far the cancer progressed to my body progressed to my body progressed to my body and that's the next step is like as soon and that's the next step is like as soon and that's the next step is like as soon as they tell you have cancer they don't as they tell you have cancer they don't as they tell you have cancer they don't they're not they move quick they're like they're not they move quick they're like they're not they move quick they're like you know we're going to you know we're going to you know we're going to schedule the surgery for i think this is schedule the surgery for i think this is schedule the surgery for i think this is a thursday or friday i feel like we're a thursday or friday i feel like we're a thursday or friday i feel like we're going to schedule it for going to schedule it for going to schedule it for tuesday tuesday tuesday here's the chance here's there he's we here's the chance here's there he's we here's the chance here's there he's we don't know for sure it's cancer that's don't know for sure it's cancer that's don't know for sure it's cancer that's what they say it's like there's a 80 or what they say it's like there's a 80 or what they say it's like there's a 80 or 90 chance 90 chance 90 chance that this is cancer there is some that this is cancer there is some that this is cancer there is some possibility it could be something else possibility it could be something else possibility it could be something else the only way we can now the only way we can now the only way we can now is like is like is like doing a biopsy and the only way that we doing a biopsy and the only way that we doing a biopsy and the only way that we can get that biopsy is by cutting one of can get that biopsy is by cutting one of can get that biopsy is by cutting one of your balls off he didn't say it like your balls off he didn't say it like your balls off he didn't say it like that but you know that's pretty much the

that but you know that's pretty much the that but you know that's pretty much the logic behind it's like we got to get logic behind it's like we got to get logic behind it's like we got to get this thing it's like a zombie bite we this thing it's like a zombie bite we this thing it's like a zombie bite we gotta hack this fucking thing off we gotta hack this fucking thing off we gotta hack this fucking thing off we gotta do it fast well did did you say it gotta do it fast well did did you say it gotta do it fast well did did you say it in the way that you understood yeah what in the way that you understood yeah what in the way that you understood yeah what they do they do they do is because they know that when someone is because they know that when someone is because they know that when someone gets a cancer diagnosis gets a cancer diagnosis gets a cancer diagnosis that that that it their ability to comprehend it their ability to comprehend it their ability to comprehend information changes when you get a information changes when you get a information changes when you get a cancer diagnosis cancer diagnosis cancer diagnosis you all the tropes you all the tropes you all the tropes they happen your hearing gets weird they happen your hearing gets weird they happen your hearing gets weird you're basically having like an anxiety you're basically having like an anxiety you're basically having like an anxiety attack if i had to guess it's like a attack if i had to guess it's like a attack if i had to guess it's like a hardcore anxiety attack hardcore anxiety attack hardcore anxiety attack and then and then and then you know a nurse is there with me as you know a nurse is there with me as you know a nurse is there with me as he's explaining it and then her job is he's explaining it and then her job is he's explaining it and then her job is even though he's telling me how to get even though he's telling me how to get even though he's telling me how to get to the machine that's going to scan my to the machine that's going to scan my to the machine that's going to scan my body to see if it's gotten into my brain body to see if it's gotten into my brain body to see if it's gotten into my brain uh uh uh he knows i'm not gonna remember that and he knows i'm not gonna remember that and he knows i'm not gonna remember that and so this nurse when you're in this like so this nurse when you're in this like so this nurse when you're in this like fog fog fog takes you takes you takes you at least took me to the machine that at least took me to the machine that at least took me to the machine that does the scan but you're not going to does the scan but you're not going to does the scan but you're not going to get that data back for a few days get that data back for a few days get that data back for a few days and so that's where you really and so that's where you really and so that's where you really live in the real live in the real live in the real world world world that's the real world such a fascinating that's the real world such a fascinating that's the real world such a fascinating moment and the the days that follow and moment and the the days that follow and moment and the the days that follow and even that moment because that doctor you even that moment because that doctor you even that moment because that doctor you know you talk about the matrix where know you talk about the matrix where know you talk about the matrix where like the pills and so on you get the like the pills and so on you get the like the pills and so on you get the bloop bloop bloop and pill and the red pill yeah and pill and the red pill yeah and pill and the red pill yeah this is like this is like this is like the the the like the real world introduction the the like the real world introduction the the like the real world introduction the the human introduction is the truth human introduction is the truth human introduction is the truth the you you've now just taken the the the you you've now just taken the the the you you've now just taken the the red pill you get to see the the truth of red pill you get to see the the truth of red pill you get to see the the truth of reality reality reality and here's a busy doctor just telling

and here's a busy doctor just telling and here's a busy doctor just telling you yeah like you yeah like you yeah like all those dreams you've had all those all those dreams you've had all those all those dreams you've had all those illusions you've built up to somehow illusions you've built up to somehow illusions you've built up to somehow your work as a comedian and actor will your work as a comedian and actor will your work as a comedian and actor will make you live forever somehow it's just make you live forever somehow it's just make you live forever somehow it's just the basic illusion we have that we're the basic illusion we have that we're the basic illusion we have that we're this is this whole project this is this whole project this is this whole project uh is gonna be an infinite sequence of uh is gonna be an infinite sequence of uh is gonna be an infinite sequence of fun things that we're gonna get to do fun things that we're gonna get to do fun things that we're gonna get to do it's like holy shit it's not that's it's like holy shit it's not that's it's like holy shit it's not that's right it's over that's right and there's right it's over that's right and there's right it's over that's right and there's very sophisticated ways of doing that very sophisticated ways of doing that very sophisticated ways of doing that and there's very dumb ways of doing that and there's very dumb ways of doing that and there's very dumb ways of doing that and i'd really been doing a dumb way of and i'd really been doing a dumb way of and i'd really been doing a dumb way of doing that like i've been playing around doing that like i've been playing around doing that like i've been playing around with this with this with this idiot notion of subjective consciousness idiot notion of subjective consciousness idiot notion of subjective consciousness so like like i've been sort of kicking so like like i've been sort of kicking so like like i've been sort of kicking around this like around this like around this like i think they call it solipsism it's like i think they call it solipsism it's like i think they call it solipsism it's like you're like okay i know i'm self-aware you're like okay i know i'm self-aware you're like okay i know i'm self-aware but no one else can prove that they're but no one else can prove that they're but no one else can prove that they're self-aware like i don't i have no way of self-aware like i don't i have no way of self-aware like i don't i have no way of proving that everything around me isn't proving that everything around me isn't proving that everything around me isn't just a video game isn't just some just a video game isn't just some just a video game isn't just some projection isn't you know who knows what projection isn't you know who knows what projection isn't you know who knows what so maybe so maybe so maybe everybody else dies they're nbc's but i everybody else dies they're nbc's but i everybody else dies they're nbc's but i don't because i'm the only thing i know don't because i'm the only thing i know don't because i'm the only thing i know that has subjective consciousness now that has subjective consciousness now that has subjective consciousness now it's not like i really believed that it's not like i really believed that it's not like i really believed that it's like an idea you toy around with it's like an idea you toy around with it's like an idea you toy around with when you're trying to evade when you're trying to evade when you're trying to evade confronting the reality of your own confronting the reality of your own confronting the reality of your own mortality it's just the brain will mortality it's just the brain will mortality it's just the brain will produce all kinds of ridiculous forms of produce all kinds of ridiculous forms of produce all kinds of ridiculous forms of ignorance and that was one i've been ignorance and that was one i've been ignorance and that was one i've been playing around with oh you mean for like playing around with oh you mean for like playing around with oh you mean for like a large part of your life you were a large part of your life you were a large part of your life you were playing around with that i'm not like playing around with that i'm not like playing around with that i'm not like really i think it's important to really really i think it's important to really really i think it's important to really emphasize i didn't think i was immortal emphasize i didn't think i was immortal emphasize i didn't think i was immortal like i knew at some level i'm probably

like i knew at some level i'm probably like i knew at some level i'm probably gonna die everyone dies yeah but gonna die everyone dies yeah but gonna die everyone dies yeah but there's there's there's ways that you can sort of ways that you can sort of ways that you can sort of poke around with that idea i still do it poke around with that idea i still do it poke around with that idea i still do it to this day like i still do it like it's to this day like i still do it like it's to this day like i still do it like it's a natural thing to do when you're a natural thing to do when you're a natural thing to do when you're confronted with that with annihilation confronted with that with annihilation confronted with that with annihilation you want a way out you want to talk your you want a way out you want to talk your you want a way out you want to talk your way out figure it out there's got to be way out figure it out there's got to be way out figure it out there's got to be some way to fix it well they'll fix it some way to fix it well they'll fix it some way to fix it well they'll fix it that's another thing people do oh that's another thing people do oh that's another thing people do oh they'll fix it yeah it'd be fine they'll they'll fix it yeah it'd be fine they'll they'll fix it yeah it'd be fine they'll expand the human lifespan that's what expand the human lifespan that's what expand the human lifespan that's what they'll do i mean that was though that's they'll do i mean that was though that's they'll do i mean that was though that's a big argument for it is like look the a big argument for it is like look the a big argument for it is like look the human lifespan up until covid which they human lifespan up until covid which they human lifespan up until covid which they had to recalculate like the had to recalculate like the had to recalculate like the lifespan because of the statistically lifespan because of the statistically lifespan because of the statistically all the people who died it like threw it all the people who died it like threw it all the people who died it like threw it off a little bit but pandemics aside off a little bit but pandemics aside off a little bit but pandemics aside the idea was the human lifespan seemed the idea was the human lifespan seemed the idea was the human lifespan seemed to be increasing to be increasing to be increasing by half by half by half a year every year something like that we a year every year something like that we a year every year something like that we are living longer are living longer are living longer so all you got to do so all you got to do so all you got to do one more half a year one more half a year one more half a year and we're immortal right if we can if we and we're immortal right if we can if we and we're immortal right if we can if we live a year longer every year then we live a year longer every year then we live a year longer every year then we live forever live forever live forever and so that's another way you can get and so that's another way you can get and so that's another way you can get out of out of out of confronting death is you can think well confronting death is you can think well confronting death is you can think well maybe right now we don't have the tech maybe right now we don't have the tech maybe right now we don't have the tech but it's coming consciousness but it's coming consciousness but it's coming consciousness uploads uploads uploads or downloads or whatever depending on or downloads or whatever depending on or downloads or whatever depending on how you want to look at it another way how you want to look at it another way how you want to look at it another way people try to squirm out of the people try to squirm out of the people try to squirm out of the reality of reality of reality of death there's all kinds of tricks yeah death there's all kinds of tricks yeah death there's all kinds of tricks yeah and we do and we do and we do all of them and sometimes yeah i mean a all of them and sometimes yeah i mean a all of them and sometimes yeah i mean a lot of religions provide different even lot of religions provide different even lot of religions provide different even more tools in the toolkit for coming up

more tools in the toolkit for coming up more tools in the toolkit for coming up with ideas of how you can with ideas of how you can with ideas of how you can live in the illusion that we're not live in the illusion that we're not live in the illusion that we're not going to there's not an end to this going to there's not an end to this going to there's not an end to this particular experience that we're having particular experience that we're having particular experience that we're having here on earth right now and then when here on earth right now and then when here on earth right now and then when you get that cancer diagnosis you get that cancer diagnosis you get that cancer diagnosis it's like it's like it's like yeah what was that like uh going home yeah what was that like uh going home yeah what was that like uh going home with the car ride you drive home alone with the car ride you drive home alone with the car ride you drive home alone yeah i mean it was yeah i mean it was yeah i mean it was one of the most would you listen to one of the most would you listen to one of the most would you listen to bruce springsteen or bruce bracey i bruce springsteen or bruce bracey i bruce springsteen or bruce bracey i don't know a little girl is your daddy don't know a little girl is your daddy don't know a little girl is your daddy that's not a good one to listen to you that's not a good one to listen to you that's not a good one to listen to you have cancer is he gonna die have cancer is he gonna die have cancer is he gonna die yeah all the love songs maybe you take yeah all the love songs maybe you take yeah all the love songs maybe you take you experienced them more intensely you experienced them more intensely you experienced them more intensely i don't remember what i listened to i don't remember what i listened to i don't remember what i listened to and i don't remember driving home and i don't remember driving home and i don't remember driving home but i do remember driving to another but i do remember driving to another but i do remember driving to another doctor appointment doctor's appointment doctor appointment doctor's appointment doctor appointment doctor's appointment the next day the next day the next day i think it was the next day i think it was the next day i think it was the next day i think the goodyear blimp was floating i think the goodyear blimp was floating i think the goodyear blimp was floating in the sky in the sky in the sky and i was looking i was a stoplight and i was looking i was a stoplight and i was looking i was a stoplight looking around is that god looking around is that god looking around is that god [Music] [Music] [Music] is the is the person flying it know how is the is the person flying it know how is the is the person flying it know how to cure cancer to cure cancer to cure cancer oh you were looking oh you were looking oh you were looking oh wow no i didn't think that what i oh wow no i didn't think that what i oh wow no i didn't think that what i thought was thought was thought was this shit just keeps going that's what i this shit just keeps going that's what i this shit just keeps going that's what i thought i thought thought i thought thought i thought i'm going to be gone i'm going to be gone i'm going to be gone and it's just going to keep going and it's just going to keep going and it's just going to keep going and that was a beautiful moment for me and that was a beautiful moment for me and that was a beautiful moment for me it was this beautiful moment of life it was this beautiful moment of life it was this beautiful moment of life you're able to accept it oh yeah no like you're able to accept it oh yeah no like you're able to accept it oh yeah no like that's just what you're talking about that's just what you're talking about that's just what you're talking about with with with um the ukraine what you're talking about um the ukraine what you're talking about um the ukraine what you're talking about it's like

it's like it's like unless you've been been there unless you've been been there unless you've been been there it's really hard to explain to people it's really hard to explain to people it's really hard to explain to people that even in the midst that even in the midst that even in the midst of of of what is generally accepted is one of the what is generally accepted is one of the what is generally accepted is one of the worst fucking things that could happen worst fucking things that could happen worst fucking things that could happen to you war to you war to you war cancer cancer cancer somehow somehow somehow there's still joy there's still love there's still joy there's still love there's still joy there's still love there's still in fact more it's almost there's still in fact more it's almost there's still in fact more it's almost like when the anesthesia wears off when like when the anesthesia wears off when like when the anesthesia wears off when you get your mouth worked on you start you get your mouth worked on you start you get your mouth worked on you start feeling again you're feeling you're feeling again you're feeling you're feeling again you're feeling you're noticing and that you know wow but yet noticing and that you know wow but yet noticing and that you know wow but yet like like like thank goodness thank goodness thank goodness i think there's other ways for us to i think there's other ways for us to i think there's other ways for us to achieve this state of consciousness achieve this state of consciousness achieve this state of consciousness that don't involve war or cancer that don't involve war or cancer that don't involve war or cancer you think just meditating meditating you think just meditating meditating you think just meditating meditating on your mortality is one such mechanism on your mortality is one such mechanism on your mortality is one such mechanism just simply just just simply just just simply just not allowing yourself to uh get lost in not allowing yourself to uh get lost in not allowing yourself to uh get lost in the day-to-day illusion the day-to-day illusion the day-to-day illusion of life just kind of stopping of life just kind of stopping of life just kind of stopping putting on bruce springsteen most spiritual most spiritual he is great maybe johnny cash hurt maybe he is great maybe johnny cash hurt maybe he is great maybe johnny cash hurt maybe maybe that one that's good maybe that one that's good maybe that one that's good i am knocking bruce springsteen like i i am knocking bruce springsteen like i i am knocking bruce springsteen like i have a lot of great bruce springsteen have a lot of great bruce springsteen have a lot of great bruce springsteen memories truly his music's fantastic memories truly his music's fantastic memories truly his music's fantastic yeah yeah not meditating immortality to yeah yeah not meditating immortality to yeah yeah not meditating immortality to bruce springsteen you know what i'm just bruce springsteen you know what i'm just bruce springsteen you know what i'm just trying to do an audio soundtrack in my trying to do an audio soundtrack in my trying to do an audio soundtrack in my head head head i guess we can each have our own audio i guess we can each have our own audio i guess we can each have our own audio soundtrack soundtrack soundtrack i'm on fire it's so good yeah it's a

i'm on fire it's so good yeah it's a i'm on fire it's so good yeah it's a good one that's one of those at good one that's one of those at good one that's one of those at i laid when the sheets soaking wet and i laid when the sheets soaking wet and i laid when the sheets soaking wet and the freight train running through the the freight train running through the the freight train running through the middle of my head middle of my head middle of my head and only you can cool my desire and he's and only you can cool my desire and he's and only you can cool my desire and he's thinking about someone else's girl yeah thinking about someone else's girl yeah thinking about someone else's girl yeah what a fucking nightmare yeah bruce what a fucking nightmare yeah bruce what a fucking nightmare yeah bruce breinstein's laying in bed with a breinstein's laying in bed with a breinstein's laying in bed with a freight train running through his head freight train running through his head freight train running through his head thinking about banging your wife and thinking about banging your wife and thinking about banging your wife and you're out of town yeah oh my god oh you're out of town yeah oh my god oh you're out of town yeah oh my god oh you're taking the other guy's you're taking the other guy's you're taking the other guy's perspective like holy shit this guy's perspective like holy shit this guy's perspective like holy shit this guy's gonna get my wife it's bruce but yeah gonna get my wife it's bruce but yeah gonna get my wife it's bruce but yeah you gotta take the other one it's love you gotta take the other one it's love you gotta take the other one it's love it's love both perspectives i'm sure it's love both perspectives i'm sure it's love both perspectives i'm sure bruce springsteen thought it was love bruce springsteen thought it was love bruce springsteen thought it was love when he's sweating in bed waiting to go when he's sweating in bed waiting to go when he's sweating in bed waiting to go to somebody's house and she does too to somebody's house and she does too to somebody's house and she does too what does that marry if he's gonna break what does that marry if he's gonna break what does that marry if he's gonna break up that marriage that marriage wasn't up that marriage that marriage wasn't up that marriage that marriage wasn't strong enough right strong enough right strong enough right i mean i mean i mean that relation i mean that's the way of that relation i mean that's the way of that relation i mean that's the way of love what marriage love what marriage love what marriage could survive could survive could survive bruce springsteen sweaty bruce bruce springsteen sweaty bruce bruce springsteen sweaty bruce springsteen springsteen springsteen uh well maybe one that's based on uh well maybe one that's based on uh well maybe one that's based on financial um financial um financial um uh sort of financial dynamics versus uh sort of financial dynamics versus uh sort of financial dynamics versus like love and sweaty bruce springsteen like love and sweaty bruce springsteen like love and sweaty bruce springsteen like um like um like um like romantic connections because and like romantic connections because and like romantic connections because and there's like a uh there's like a uh there's like a uh there's a music video of that where he's there's a music video of that where he's there's a music video of that where he's like a mechanic i think like a mechanic i think like a mechanic i think yeah so he's like the poor mechanic who yeah so he's like the poor mechanic who yeah so he's like the poor mechanic who is uh is uh is uh who falls in love with this girl and who falls in love with this girl and who falls in love with this girl and there's that magic there's that magic there's that magic um i've seen that magic you connect with um i've seen that magic you connect with um i've seen that magic you connect with people like people like people like uh i'll see somebody i think jack uh i'll see somebody i think jack uh i'll see somebody i think jack kerouac has that way he meets kerouac has that way he meets kerouac has that way he meets uh this mexican girl uh this mexican girl uh this mexican girl on a bus and

on a bus and on a bus and like he talks about that heartbreak you like he talks about that heartbreak you like he talks about that heartbreak you feel when you realize this person you feel when you realize this person you feel when you realize this person you just fell in love with in a split second just fell in love with in a split second just fell in love with in a split second is heading somewhere else in this too is heading somewhere else in this too is heading somewhere else in this too big world big world big world but then he actually realizes in uh but then he actually realizes in uh but then he actually realizes in uh spoiler alert for on the road that spoiler alert for on the road that spoiler alert for on the road that they're actually heading the same way they're actually heading the same way they're actually heading the same way and he and he and he now builds up the courage to talk to her now builds up the courage to talk to her now builds up the courage to talk to her and they kind of fall in love for a few and they kind of fall in love for a few and they kind of fall in love for a few days yeah and then he lies eventually days yeah and then he lies eventually days yeah and then he lies eventually realizes that realizes that realizes that she may not be the perfect person for she may not be the perfect person for she may not be the perfect person for him and all the jealousy comes out it's him and all the jealousy comes out it's him and all the jealousy comes out it's like why is this beautiful girl like why is this beautiful girl like why is this beautiful girl talking to me at all and then she's talking to me at all and then she's talking to me at all and then she's probably some kind of i mean that's no probably some kind of i mean that's no probably some kind of i mean that's no it's not very politically correct but he it's not very politically correct but he it's not very politically correct but he basically thinks that she's basically thinks that she's basically thinks that she's a prostitute and he a prostitute and he a prostitute and he uh talks to her about like who's your uh talks to her about like who's your uh talks to her about like who's your pimp and all that kind of stuff he pimp and all that kind of stuff he pimp and all that kind of stuff he attacks her and all that all that kind attacks her and all that all that kind attacks her and all that all that kind of way when she's just an innocent of way when she's just an innocent of way when she's just an innocent right she has you know she has a past of right she has you know she has a past of right she has you know she has a past of that kind but she's an innocent person that kind but she's an innocent person that kind but she's an innocent person and he connected and they fell in love and he connected and they fell in love and he connected and they fell in love with each other with each other with each other her gentleness his worldliness all that her gentleness his worldliness all that her gentleness his worldliness all that kind of stuff um but that sometimes it kind of stuff um but that sometimes it kind of stuff um but that sometimes it doesn't work out that way and there's doesn't work out that way and there's doesn't work out that way and there's that heartbreak when you see you realize that heartbreak when you see you realize that heartbreak when you see you realize um um um you're never going to be able to have you're never going to be able to have you're never going to be able to have that and that's bruce springsteen saw that and that's bruce springsteen saw that and that's bruce springsteen saw that this is a married woman i'm never that this is a married woman i'm never that this is a married woman i'm never going to be able to have that but i want going to be able to have that but i want going to be able to have that but i want that and that's the heartbreak i got to that and that's the heartbreak i got to that and that's the heartbreak i got to say i just assumed they were fucking say i just assumed they were fucking say i just assumed they were fucking like i didn't right after the song like like i didn't right after the song like like i didn't right after the song like the song doesn't get too little girl is the song doesn't get too little girl is the song doesn't get too little girl is your daddy home did he go away and leave your daddy home did he go away and leave your daddy home did he go away and leave you all alone you all alone you all alone you know he's like

you know he's like you know he's like he knows she's at home alone yeah but it he knows she's at home alone yeah but it he knows she's at home alone yeah but it never never never materializes materializes materializes he's he's he's lost it's longing it's a he's he's he's lost it's longing it's a he's he's he's lost it's longing it's a it's a man who's not with the the thing it's a man who's not with the the thing it's a man who's not with the the thing he craves for so he's longing for he's he craves for so he's longing for he's he craves for so he's longing for he's talking about the longing right not with talking about the longing right not with talking about the longing right not with having hey if anybody in the cia is having hey if anybody in the cia is having hey if anybody in the cia is watching this can you look into bruce watching this can you look into bruce watching this can you look into bruce springsteen's file and let us know if he springsteen's file and let us know if he springsteen's file and let us know if he actually banged the person between the song one fact look the between the song one fact look the longing though i'll tell you this here's longing though i'll tell you this here's longing though i'll tell you this here's what's interesting about that thing that what's interesting about that thing that what's interesting about that thing that you're talking about you're talking about you're talking about have you ever you've heard have you ever have you ever you've heard have you ever have you ever you've heard have you ever heard of something called bhakti yoga heard of something called bhakti yoga heard of something called bhakti yoga i think so yeah it's the yoga of love i think so yeah it's the yoga of love i think so yeah it's the yoga of love and there's all kinds there's forms of and there's all kinds there's forms of and there's all kinds there's forms of it you the most the one people know it you the most the one people know it you the most the one people know about the most is the hari krishnas but about the most is the hari krishnas but about the most is the hari krishnas but hari christians are like uh you know the hari christians are like uh you know the hari christians are like uh you know the way in christianity you've got the way in christianity you've got the way in christianity you've got the episcopalians the catholics the baptist episcopalians the catholics the baptist episcopalians the catholics the baptist in bhakta yoga you have various in bhakta yoga you have various in bhakta yoga you have various deities that are the object of deities that are the object of deities that are the object of love and so back to yoga is the love and so back to yoga is the love and so back to yoga is the is like and what's really cool about is like and what's really cool about is like and what's really cool about it is it's a it is it's a it is it's a an analysis of love and so and it's the an analysis of love and so and it's the an analysis of love and so and it's the the the the supposition being like love is the way supposition being like love is the way supposition being like love is the way to to to commune with the divine now a commune with the divine now a commune with the divine now a distinction is drawn between distinction is drawn between distinction is drawn between like two big world views that are like two big world views that are like two big world views that are spiritual one is spiritual one is spiritual one is the concept of sort of the concept of sort of the concept of sort of unit of consciousness that i you which unit of consciousness that i you which unit of consciousness that i you which you'll you'll run into and a lot of

you'll you'll run into and a lot of you'll you'll run into and a lot of forms of buddhism if not all a sort of forms of buddhism if not all a sort of forms of buddhism if not all a sort of a way of deconstructing the identity or a way of deconstructing the identity or a way of deconstructing the identity or understanding that that you might not be understanding that that you might not be understanding that that you might not be anything at all then in fact you're part anything at all then in fact you're part anything at all then in fact you're part of everything and in that there's a of everything and in that there's a of everything and in that there's a uh a potential relief from suffering and a potential relief from suffering and that not just like intellectually that not just like intellectually that not just like intellectually knowing it but knowing it but knowing it but becoming it now um becoming it now um becoming it now um whereas in whereas in whereas in bhakti yoga there's this idea of like bhakti yoga there's this idea of like bhakti yoga there's this idea of like the the the the best thing is to be the individual the best thing is to be the individual the best thing is to be the individual because because because individuals are required for love this individuals are required for love this individuals are required for love this for love to work embodied for love to work embodied for love to work embodied love and so love and so love and so the the the quality the thing we call you know the quality the thing we call you know the quality the thing we call you know the the experience of love is something that the experience of love is something that the experience of love is something that can be cultivated it doesn't just have can be cultivated it doesn't just have can be cultivated it doesn't just have to be for another person it doesn't have to be for another person it doesn't have to be for another person it doesn't have to be for the stranger on the bus it to be for the stranger on the bus it to be for the stranger on the bus it doesn't have to be for sweaty bruce doesn't have to be for sweaty bruce doesn't have to be for sweaty bruce springsteen's springsteen's springsteen's lover that you could actually lover that you could actually lover that you could actually tr you can actually shift that love to tr you can actually shift that love to tr you can actually shift that love to the divine to god because obviously it's the divine to god because obviously it's the divine to god because obviously it's hard christians it's a theistic religion hard christians it's a theistic religion hard christians it's a theistic religion they believe in krishna they believe in krishna they believe in krishna who is the who is the who is the from the pov of vaishnava bhakti yoga from the pov of vaishnava bhakti yoga from the pov of vaishnava bhakti yoga the godhead the the godhead the the godhead the source from which everything source from which everything source from which everything uh flows into the into time space so that that they're all these like fascinating they're all these like fascinating they're all these like fascinating stories of krishna it's not just most stories of krishna it's not just most stories of krishna it's not just most people are familiar with krishna from people are familiar with krishna from people are familiar with krishna from the bhagavad-gita they're about to be the bhagavad-gita they're about to be the bhagavad-gita they're about to be more what's cool about it is because more what's cool about it is because more what's cool about it is because it's like they're making the oppenheimer

it's like they're making the oppenheimer it's like they're making the oppenheimer movie and he famously quoted the movie and he famously quoted the movie and he famously quoted the bhagavad-gita when the they split the bhagavad-gita when the they split the bhagavad-gita when the they split the atom but um atom but um atom but um there's all these stories of krishna there's all these stories of krishna there's all these stories of krishna that are not just in the bhagavad-gita bhagavad-gita and these stories and these stories and these stories they could seem very simple when taken they could seem very simple when taken they could seem very simple when taken literally but by schneider back to yoga literally but by schneider back to yoga literally but by schneider back to yoga it's this very advanced it's this very advanced it's this very advanced theistic theistic theistic yogic system so they take these stories yogic system so they take these stories yogic system so they take these stories and from these stories they and from these stories they and from these stories they extrapolate this incredible analysis of extrapolate this incredible analysis of extrapolate this incredible analysis of what love is and how to connect with the what love is and how to connect with the what love is and how to connect with the universe so like universe so like universe so like krishna has a lover radharani and so sometimes sometimes they're getting along they're getting along they're getting along sometimes they're fighting sometimes they're fighting sometimes they're fighting sometimes sometimes sometimes they're separated they're separated they're separated and so and so and so each of these each of these each of these ways of feeling about krishna ways of feeling about krishna ways of feeling about krishna modes of love modes of love modes of love so so so longing actually is considered one of longing actually is considered one of longing actually is considered one of the highest forms of love the highest forms of love the highest forms of love the idea is the longing is the grace the the idea is the longing is the grace the the idea is the longing is the grace the longing is the love so when you find longing is the love so when you find longing is the love so when you find yourself in a situation yourself in a situation yourself in a situation of longing of longing of longing and heartbreak and heartbreak and heartbreak it is it is it is identical identical identical to union to union to union you know and perhaps you know and perhaps you know and perhaps more intense more intensely more intense more intensely more intense more intensely representative of the essence of what is representative of the essence of what is representative of the essence of what is love yes and and they call it pining so

love yes and and they call it pining so love yes and and they call it pining so there's the in it's pining for krishna there's the in it's pining for krishna there's the in it's pining for krishna and there's also and there's also and there's also there's the other ways you could be with there's the other ways you could be with there's the other ways you could be with krishna is as a friend so krishna is as a friend so krishna is as a friend so this is another form of love or this is another form of love or this is another form of love or you know as a mother you know uh because you know as a mother you know uh because you know as a mother you know uh because krishna has a krishna has a krishna has a mother so there's like all these ways of mother so there's like all these ways of mother so there's like all these ways of like looking at the various forms of like looking at the various forms of like looking at the various forms of love and it's a really beautiful love and it's a really beautiful love and it's a really beautiful form of yoga that's emphasizing the form of yoga that's emphasizing the form of yoga that's emphasizing the individual and then the individual is a individual and then the individual is a individual and then the individual is a kind of channel to kind of channel to kind of channel to this universal love yeah they're they this universal love yeah they're they this universal love yeah they're they like there's a lot of different like like there's a lot of different like like there's a lot of different like uh their answer to the question of what uh their answer to the question of what uh their answer to the question of what shows up in buddhism is absolute and shows up in buddhism is absolute and shows up in buddhism is absolute and relative reality like relative reality like relative reality like that uh obviously there's relative that uh obviously there's relative that uh obviously there's relative reality we're we're not right now you reality we're we're not right now you reality we're we're not right now you and me are not unitive consciousness and me are not unitive consciousness and me are not unitive consciousness like like like you zoom back far enough and we're gonna you zoom back far enough and we're gonna you zoom back far enough and we're gonna seem like an atom or whatever the seem like an atom or whatever the seem like an atom or whatever the the the thing is the trope is or you the the thing is the trope is or you the the thing is the trope is or you could zoom back far enough and we're could zoom back far enough and we're could zoom back far enough and we're gonna whatever we're in a piece of gonna whatever we're in a piece of gonna whatever we're in a piece of cheese or something who knows but cheese or something who knows but cheese or something who knows but in that way we're like completely in that way we're like completely in that way we're like completely unified um but simultaneously we're unified um but simultaneously we're unified um but simultaneously we're individuals like for sure or individuals individuals like for sure or individuals individuals like for sure or individuals like you still gotta pay your taxes you like you still gotta pay your taxes you like you still gotta pay your taxes you gotta know your social security number gotta know your social security number gotta know your social security number that's relative reality so you know that's relative reality so you know that's relative reality so you know buddhism is like kind of the balance buddhism is like kind of the balance buddhism is like kind of the balance again when i say buddhism is i'm a again when i say buddhism is i'm a again when i say buddhism is i'm a comedian podcaster i'm not some buddhist comedian podcaster i'm not some buddhist comedian podcaster i'm not some buddhist expert this is just probably my expert this is just probably my expert this is just probably my confused confused confused idea of what it is but anyway in bhakti idea of what it is but anyway in bhakti idea of what it is but anyway in bhakti yoga there's the concept

yoga there's the concept yoga there's the concept it's called i'm going to mispronounce it it's called i'm going to mispronounce it it's called i'm going to mispronounce it a cincinnka beta tatfa a cincinnka beta tatfa a cincinnka beta tatfa i'm sorry i'm mispronouncing it i'm sorry i'm mispronouncing it i'm sorry i'm mispronouncing it which means which means which means simultaneous oneness and difference simultaneous oneness and difference simultaneous oneness and difference so so so oneness and difference yes simultaneous oneness and difference yes simultaneous oneness and difference yes simultaneous one so that's why the the oneness is the one so that's why the the oneness is the one so that's why the the oneness is the more more more part of the same piece of cheese part of the same piece of cheese part of the same piece of cheese and the difference is we are still each and the difference is we are still each and the difference is we are still each paying taxes paying taxes paying taxes yes and in this case the cheese is yes and in this case the cheese is yes and in this case the cheese is krishna so krishna so krishna so you know or other ways it gets you know or other ways it gets you know or other ways it gets described as like you know a photon described as like you know a photon described as like you know a photon blasting off the sun has sunlight blasting off the sun has sunlight blasting off the sun has sunlight qualities qualities qualities but it's not the sun but it's not the sun but it's not the sun humans humans humans have being a one of the many things you have being a one of the many things you have being a one of the many things you know flowing out of the creative know flowing out of the creative know flowing out of the creative consciousness of the divine consciousness of the divine consciousness of the divine have qualities have qualities have qualities that are weirdly like that are weirdly like that are weirdly like the god-like you know like we it's in the god-like you know like we it's in the god-like you know like we it's in fact we want to control primarily that's fact we want to control primarily that's fact we want to control primarily that's one of the one of the one of the problems like humans want to be problems like humans want to be problems like humans want to be in control where and from there the in control where and from there the in control where and from there the bhakti yoga perspective bhakti yoga perspective bhakti yoga perspective krishna is this effort is effortlessly krishna is this effort is effortlessly krishna is this effort is effortlessly controlling controlling controlling everything everything everything uh and so within the system the uh and so within the system the uh and so within the system the individual parts of the system have that individual parts of the system have that individual parts of the system have that same quality but you can't you're same quality but you can't you're same quality but you can't you're probably not god you might be i'm not probably not god you might be i'm not probably not god you might be i'm not uh what do you think happens after we uh what do you think happens after we uh what do you think happens after we die die die haven't come close to that haven't come close to that haven't come close to that that um that cliff that um that cliff that um that cliff and almost got pushed over once

and almost got pushed over once and almost got pushed over once what do you think happens when you do what do you think happens when you do what do you think happens when you do get pushed off the cliff get pushed off the cliff get pushed off the cliff okay i feel dumb that i'm even gonna okay i feel dumb that i'm even gonna okay i feel dumb that i'm even gonna like preface this by saying obviously i like preface this by saying obviously i like preface this by saying obviously i have no fucking idea and i think that's have no fucking idea and i think that's have no fucking idea and i think that's one of the cool things about death one of the cool things about death one of the cool things about death no idea the cia probably does you think no idea the cia probably does you think no idea the cia probably does you think the cia the cia the cia i love like we've decided your audience i love like we've decided your audience i love like we've decided your audience is the cia yeah is the cia yeah is the cia yeah how would you oh wait i i need to how would you oh wait i i need to how would you oh wait i i need to because there's a lot of suspicion that because there's a lot of suspicion that because there's a lot of suspicion that i might be fsb and mossad so i'm trying i might be fsb and mossad so i'm trying i might be fsb and mossad so i'm trying to rebrand to rebrand to rebrand i'm trying to steer them into the cia i'm trying to steer them into the cia i'm trying to steer them into the cia direction direction direction no as far as what happens when you when no as far as what happens when you when no as far as what happens when you when you die you die you die one thing i return to when i'm getting one thing i return to when i'm getting one thing i return to when i'm getting overly complex overly complex overly complex is the idea of as above so below so is the idea of as above so below so is the idea of as above so below so uh that you can a lot of the big uh that you can a lot of the big uh that you can a lot of the big questions can be answered by your own questions can be answered by your own questions can be answered by your own experience experience experience now so now so now so in other words like uh in other words like uh in other words like uh in terms of thinking about like death in terms of thinking about like death in terms of thinking about like death um if you if you look back look back look back to to to baby legs baby legs baby legs versus adult legs versus adult legs versus adult legs where's the baby like baby's gone they where's the baby like baby's gone they where's the baby like baby's gone they you've regenerated all your cells you've regenerated all your cells you've regenerated all your cells many times by then so in a way you could many times by then so in a way you could many times by then so in a way you could say lex baby died and the death didn't say lex baby died and the death didn't say lex baby died and the death didn't look like a typical look like a typical look like a typical and i'm not trying to dodge it but i'm and i'm not trying to dodge it but i'm and i'm not trying to dodge it but i'm just saying just saying just saying it was very natural that the death of it was very natural that the death of it was very natural that the death of that baby it just uh

that baby it just uh that baby it just uh it just in many ways that baby died but it just in many ways that baby died but it just in many ways that baby died but i am at least personally i'm surprised i am at least personally i'm surprised i am at least personally i'm surprised how much the person is exactly the same how much the person is exactly the same how much the person is exactly the same so there's many ways in which you're so there's many ways in which you're so there's many ways in which you're very different very different very different but there's a lot of ways in which but there's a lot of ways in which but there's a lot of ways in which you're very much the same sure and i you're very much the same sure and i you're very much the same sure and i wonder if that wonder if that wonder if that if there's if life is defined by many if there's if life is defined by many if there's if life is defined by many deaths that contin that continue on and deaths that contin that continue on and deaths that contin that continue on and then there i wonder if there's something then there i wonder if there's something then there i wonder if there's something persists sure beyond in this persists sure beyond in this persists sure beyond in this that that that yeah there is something that still yeah there is something that still yeah there is something that still persists i wonder okay so that persists i wonder okay so that persists i wonder okay so that now now now you know obviously you know obviously you know obviously there's so many different there's so many different there's so many different answers to this question that are answers to this question that are answers to this question that are religious and religious and religious and ranging from like the most absurd shit ranging from like the most absurd shit ranging from like the most absurd shit you ever in your life like the gold you ever in your life like the gold you ever in your life like the gold you're going to get a mansion there's you're going to get a mansion there's you're going to get a mansion there's gold streets like i don't know do you gold streets like i don't know do you gold streets like i don't know do you even want like gold streets like offers even want like gold streets like offers even want like gold streets like offers gold streets i know about the virgins gold streets i know about the virgins gold streets i know about the virgins but there's a bunch of virgins the but there's a bunch of virgins the but there's a bunch of virgins the christians give you the gold streets in christians give you the gold streets in christians give you the gold streets in the mansion like depending on the the mansion like depending on the the mansion like depending on the and the who whatever the particular sect and the who whatever the particular sect and the who whatever the particular sect of christianity is you know you you it's of christianity is you know you you it's of christianity is you know you you it's like it's some kind of city there's like it's some kind of city there's like it's some kind of city there's it's like paved with gold no one's it's like paved with gold no one's it's like paved with gold no one's addressing the fact that the moment the addressing the fact that the moment the addressing the fact that the moment the streets are made of gold gold is a streets are made of gold gold is a streets are made of gold gold is a valueless valueless valueless substance i mean it's sort of pretty in substance i mean it's sort of pretty in substance i mean it's sort of pretty in a cheesy kind of way but no one's gonna a cheesy kind of way but no one's gonna a cheesy kind of way but no one's gonna give a shit it's like like if there was give a shit it's like like if there was give a shit it's like like if there was not a lot of not a lot of not a lot of asphalt in the world asphalt in the world asphalt in the world then you know we'd be in heaven from then you know we'd be in heaven from then you know we'd be in heaven from that same with that way of thinking but that same with that way of thinking but that same with that way of thinking but the the the uh or honestly when uh going back this

uh or honestly when uh going back this uh or honestly when uh going back this this this is starting to get a theme this this is starting to get a theme this this is starting to get a theme with glug archipelago i'm sorry i'm with glug archipelago i'm sorry i'm with glug archipelago i'm sorry i'm reading it currently that's a sticky reading it currently that's a sticky reading it currently that's a sticky book yeah it's very sticky in your mind book yeah it's very sticky in your mind book yeah it's very sticky in your mind very very tough as i'm running through very very tough as i'm running through very very tough as i'm running through very hot heat i'm listening to glug very hot heat i'm listening to glug very hot heat i'm listening to glug archipelago oh my god and you know one archipelago oh my god and you know one archipelago oh my god and you know one of the things they said they would feed of the things they said they would feed of the things they said they would feed the prisoners salt the prisoners salt the prisoners salt um um um and then they would exchange and then they would exchange and then they would exchange the prisoners would be able to the prisoners would be able to the prisoners would be able to give up anything everything their gold give up anything everything their gold give up anything everything their gold their possessions everything for just their possessions everything for just their possessions everything for just one drink of water so that little one drink of water so that little one drink of water so that little context of context of context of dehydrating them and feeding them salt dehydrating them and feeding them salt dehydrating them and feeding them salt changes your value system completely changes your value system completely changes your value system completely right so maybe the gold is supposed to right so maybe the gold is supposed to right so maybe the gold is supposed to be a metaphor for something that you be a metaphor for something that you be a metaphor for something that you still value deeply yes it's yeah again still value deeply yes it's yeah again still value deeply yes it's yeah again any any of these things when you like any any of these things when you like any any of these things when you like take them literally they seem absurd but take them literally they seem absurd but take them literally they seem absurd but if you look deeper into it it's like if you look deeper into it it's like if you look deeper into it it's like quite beautiful but the buddhist version quite beautiful but the buddhist version quite beautiful but the buddhist version of it is that uh there's a momentum the of it is that uh there's a momentum the of it is that uh there's a momentum the best way to put it is it's a kind of best way to put it is it's a kind of best way to put it is it's a kind of momentum so momentum so momentum so uh the thing you're talking about which uh the thing you're talking about which uh the thing you're talking about which is uh is uh is uh the personality of the baby that is the personality of the baby that is the personality of the baby that is still in the adult which is still in the still in the adult which is still in the still in the adult which is still in the old person you're looking at a kind of old person you're looking at a kind of old person you're looking at a kind of momentum that does not stop momentum that does not stop momentum that does not stop upon the upon the upon the extinction of the body extinction of the body extinction of the body now now now the the the the the the a i think there's a lot of uh i don't want to say harm because they i don't want to say harm because they didn't mean to hurt but i think there's didn't mean to hurt but i think there's didn't mean to hurt but i think there's some harm that maybe has happened from some harm that maybe has happened from some harm that maybe has happened from the way death the way death the way death is represented in movies like when

is represented in movies like when is represented in movies like when people die in movies it's like people die in movies it's like people die in movies it's like there's this usually it's pretty fast there's this usually it's pretty fast there's this usually it's pretty fast even if it is uh even if it is uh even if it is uh what they're dying from is a long-term what they're dying from is a long-term what they're dying from is a long-term disease it like wraps up pretty quickly disease it like wraps up pretty quickly disease it like wraps up pretty quickly starts with a cough the person's in bed starts with a cough the person's in bed starts with a cough the person's in bed but there's this weird kind of lucidity but there's this weird kind of lucidity but there's this weird kind of lucidity to the person up until the point of to the person up until the point of to the person up until the point of death and also they generally in movies death and also they generally in movies death and also they generally in movies they have makeup on which is always they have makeup on which is always they have makeup on which is always funny to me when the person dying looks funny to me when the person dying looks funny to me when the person dying looks great if you're ever around a dying great if you're ever around a dying great if you're ever around a dying person they're dying they look like shit person they're dying they look like shit person they're dying they look like shit you're dying they're all gray and like you're dying they're all gray and like you're dying they're all gray and like confused they're confused they're confused they're you know when you're around dying people you know when you're around dying people you know when you're around dying people they will spin through time they will spin through time they will spin through time your parents won't recognize you for a your parents won't recognize you for a your parents won't recognize you for a second they'll think you're somebody second they'll think you're somebody second they'll think you're somebody else they won't they're like else they won't they're like else they won't they're like everything's everything's everything's everything's like the process is everything's like the process is everything's like the process is happening so happening so happening so it's a you're very confused when you die it's a you're very confused when you die it's a you're very confused when you die so so so in general not all the time some people in general not all the time some people in general not all the time some people die with a with a clear mind it just die with a with a clear mind it just die with a with a clear mind it just depends on the type of death but depends on the type of death but depends on the type of death but think in terms of think in terms of think in terms of uh getting hit by a car so you want to uh getting hit by a car so you want to uh getting hit by a car so you want to cross the street you get hit by a car cross the street you get hit by a car cross the street you get hit by a car now now now if we're talking about this momentum if we're talking about this momentum if we're talking about this momentum continuing continuing continuing the confusion assuming you didn't hit the confusion assuming you didn't hit the confusion assuming you didn't hit your head and you're unconscious like your head and you're unconscious like your head and you're unconscious like somehow you just got smashed and you're somehow you just got smashed and you're somehow you just got smashed and you're like bleeding out like bleeding out like bleeding out even then you're going to be confused even then you're going to be confused even then you're going to be confused because you're getting dizzy like because you're getting dizzy like because you're getting dizzy like blood's leaving your body you're like blood's leaving your body you're like blood's leaving your body you're like things are fading out your vision's things are fading out your vision's things are fading out your vision's going so it's a very confusing going so it's a very confusing going so it's a very confusing experience initially when the body dies experience initially when the body dies experience initially when the body dies if you are a materialist if you are a materialist if you are a materialist who has been who has been who has been who has convinced themselves that

who has convinced themselves that who has convinced themselves that it's a permanent thing it's a permanent thing it's a permanent thing the next bit of confusion is going to be the next bit of confusion is going to be the next bit of confusion is going to be when you realize when you realize when you realize something is persisting here like i'm something is persisting here like i'm something is persisting here like i'm still here and this is where you run still here and this is where you run still here and this is where you run into the near-death experiences which into the near-death experiences which into the near-death experiences which are a global phenomena that don't seem are a global phenomena that don't seem are a global phenomena that don't seem to be to be to be completely shaped by culture completely shaped by culture completely shaped by culture you know like regardless of what part of you know like regardless of what part of you know like regardless of what part of the world people are having these the world people are having these the world people are having these experiences in the reports tend to be experiences in the reports tend to be experiences in the reports tend to be similar and everyone's heard it the similar and everyone's heard it the similar and everyone's heard it the light the life review light the life review light the life review uh uh uh seeing ancestors and stuff like that now seeing ancestors and stuff like that now seeing ancestors and stuff like that now i don't know what that is i don't know what that is i don't know what that is i i i don't know i i don't know i i don't know i i sometimes i think that's probably just sometimes i think that's probably just sometimes i think that's probably just like a built-in like a built-in like a built-in way the computer shuts down you know way the computer shuts down you know way the computer shuts down you know just this is something it does who knows just this is something it does who knows just this is something it does who knows but but but uh in buddhism the concept is uh in buddhism the concept is uh in buddhism the concept is this momentum persists into something this momentum persists into something this momentum persists into something called the bardo the bardo means in called the bardo the bardo means in called the bardo the bardo means in between and um between and um between and um there's an actual number of days they there's an actual number of days they there's an actual number of days they say that say that say that you get to hang out there and i can't you get to hang out there and i can't you get to hang out there and i can't remember it's like 37 days or 29 days or remember it's like 37 days or 29 days or remember it's like 37 days or 29 days or something i'm not sure but something i'm not sure but something i'm not sure but at least from the at least from the at least from the time space perspective that's how long time space perspective that's how long time space perspective that's how long they're there they're there they're there within this place within this place within this place uh uh uh it's there are a lot of technological it's there are a lot of technological it's there are a lot of technological parallels man it's like parallels man it's like parallels man it's like in the way the algorithm in the way the algorithm in the way the algorithm is reflective it assesses your desires is reflective it assesses your desires is reflective it assesses your desires or whatever and then produces something or whatever and then produces something or whatever and then produces something that is that is that is has within it a component of attraction has within it a component of attraction has within it a component of attraction to you apparently this happens in the to you apparently this happens in the to you apparently this happens in the bardo like or the way you know you wake

bardo like or the way you know you wake bardo like or the way you know you wake up in the morning up in the morning up in the morning and and and you're in a shitty mood you're in a shitty mood you're in a shitty mood and then coincidentally everyone that and then coincidentally everyone that and then coincidentally everyone that day is an asshole day is an asshole day is an asshole if you don't catch it you could just be if you don't catch it you could just be if you don't catch it you could just be like wow i guess it's act like an like wow i guess it's act like an like wow i guess it's act like an asshole day you don't realize you're asshole day you don't realize you're asshole day you don't realize you're seeing your asshole projection seeing your asshole projection seeing your asshole projection like being reflected off the screen of like being reflected off the screen of like being reflected off the screen of another person so in the bardo another person so in the bardo another person so in the bardo apparently you don't need people for the apparently you don't need people for the apparently you don't need people for the reflective quality reflective quality reflective quality these projections happen and there they these projections happen and there they these projections happen and there they appear as either appear as either appear as either nietzsche's demon or nietzsche's angel nietzsche's demon or nietzsche's angel nietzsche's demon or nietzsche's angel it just depends on it just depends on it just depends on where you're at and how you died and where you're at and how you died and where you're at and how you died and like if you died scared like if you died scared like if you died scared then at least initially that's gonna be then at least initially that's gonna be then at least initially that's gonna be some scary shit you see around you if some scary shit you see around you if some scary shit you see around you if you died in a peaceful way well then you died in a peaceful way well then you died in a peaceful way well then uh uh uh there's going to be more of a there's going to be more of a there's going to be more of a possibility of navigation through this possibility of navigation through this possibility of navigation through this liminal intermediary liminal intermediary liminal intermediary place and so thus the emphasis on place and so thus the emphasis on place and so thus the emphasis on meditation in buddhism a way to meditation in buddhism a way to meditation in buddhism a way to calm one's self to not be distracted by calm one's self to not be distracted by calm one's self to not be distracted by thoughts which are their own like thoughts which are their own like thoughts which are their own like apparitions apparitions apparitions and then and then and then theoretically if you wanted to theoretically if you wanted to theoretically if you wanted to instead of instead of instead of spinning the wheel again and jumping spinning the wheel again and jumping spinning the wheel again and jumping back into a body back into a body back into a body you could choose not to do that and then you could choose not to do that and then you could choose not to do that and then you know transcend the wheel of birth you know transcend the wheel of birth you know transcend the wheel of birth and death but if you still wanted to go and death but if you still wanted to go and death but if you still wanted to go back back back or or or return or whatever however you want to return or whatever however you want to return or whatever however you want to put it then you could have more control

put it then you could have more control put it then you could have more control over what your next birth might be over what your next birth might be over what your next birth might be versus versus versus in this depiction of things people in this depiction of things people in this depiction of things people running from running from running from demons that they don't recognize as demons that they don't recognize as demons that they don't recognize as their own projection their own projection their own projection into any fucking body that they can find into any fucking body that they can find into any fucking body that they can find because if you've had a body you want a because if you've had a body you want a because if you've had a body you want a body and so this is how you can body and so this is how you can body and so this is how you can incarnate as an animal this is how you incarnate as an animal this is how you incarnate as an animal this is how you can incarnate in the hell realms this is can incarnate in the hell realms this is can incarnate in the hell realms this is how you could incarnate in any variety how you could incarnate in any variety how you could incarnate in any variety of things but the idea is like maybe you of things but the idea is like maybe you of things but the idea is like maybe you could slow down a little bit and like could slow down a little bit and like could slow down a little bit and like choose a birth that is going to be more choose a birth that is going to be more choose a birth that is going to be more conducive to you conducive to you conducive to you uh uh uh continuing to like continuing to like continuing to like spiritually evolve i like that idea is spiritually evolve i like that idea is spiritually evolve i like that idea is it true or not who the fuck does it true or not who the fuck does it true or not who the fuck does algorithmically speaking it it seems algorithmically speaking it it seems algorithmically speaking it it seems like a really fun role-playing game like a really fun role-playing game like a really fun role-playing game where you basically oh yeah keep where you basically oh yeah keep where you basically oh yeah keep improving the different parameters improving the different parameters improving the different parameters based on your based on your based on your ability and willingness to ability and willingness to ability and willingness to meditate and meditate and meditate and let go of the let go of the let go of the of the of the of the menial concerns of life on earth yeah menial concerns of life on earth yeah menial concerns of life on earth yeah why do you think why do you think why do you think buddha see life is suffering buddha see life is suffering buddha see life is suffering what's suffering okay well first of all what's suffering okay well first of all what's suffering okay well first of all the the the that is that gets mistranslated quite a that is that gets mistranslated quite a that is that gets mistranslated quite a bit you're talking about the four noble bit you're talking about the four noble bit you're talking about the four noble truths the first one is it often gets truths the first one is it often gets truths the first one is it often gets translated as life is suffering which is translated as life is suffering which is translated as life is suffering which is not not not it it's there is suffering the whole it it's there is suffering the whole it it's there is suffering the whole life is suffering thing is just like the

life is suffering thing is just like the life is suffering thing is just like the spiritual version of life's a bitch then spiritual version of life's a bitch then spiritual version of life's a bitch then you die and people hear that they're you die and people hear that they're you die and people hear that they're like yeah life is fucking suffering but like yeah life is fucking suffering but like yeah life is fucking suffering but it's there is suffering there is it's there is suffering there is it's there is suffering there is suffering so suffering so suffering so it's an affirmation it's an affirmation it's an affirmation if you're like this this thing that a if you're like this this thing that a if you're like this this thing that a lot of people feel that they associate lot of people feel that they associate lot of people feel that they associate with lots of they have a lot of reasons with lots of they have a lot of reasons with lots of they have a lot of reasons they think they're feeling it they think they're feeling it they think they're feeling it is known as fundamental dissatisfaction is known as fundamental dissatisfaction is known as fundamental dissatisfaction so so so so so so another word for suffering maybe could another word for suffering maybe could another word for suffering maybe could be be be fundamental dissatisfaction also fundamental dissatisfaction also fundamental dissatisfaction also the term itself the term itself the term itself uh uh uh maybe a better translation is wobbly maybe a better translation is wobbly maybe a better translation is wobbly wheel wheel wheel so like imagine like when your bike so like imagine like when your bike so like imagine like when your bike doesn't have an or your car doesn't have doesn't have an or your car doesn't have doesn't have an or your car doesn't have enough air in the tires your bike enough air in the tires your bike enough air in the tires your bike doesn't have air in the tires it's kind doesn't have air in the tires it's kind doesn't have air in the tires it's kind of a shitty bike ride like no matter of a shitty bike ride like no matter of a shitty bike ride like no matter what just kind of like it's like what just kind of like it's like what just kind of like it's like uncomfortable it's like irritating so uncomfortable it's like irritating so uncomfortable it's like irritating so this is this is this is what's being pointed to is that there's what's being pointed to is that there's what's being pointed to is that there's this quality this quality this quality within a human life within a human life within a human life that is that is that is um um um unsatisfying like like a wobbly wheel unsatisfying like like a wobbly wheel unsatisfying like like a wobbly wheel wobbly wheel why do you what why do you wobbly wheel why do you what why do you wobbly wheel why do you what why do you think think think what is at the core of that what is at the core of that what is at the core of that dissatisfaction dissatisfaction dissatisfaction because it could be uh it could be as because it could be uh it could be as because it could be uh it could be as simple as kind of physical and mental simple as kind of physical and mental simple as kind of physical and mental discomforts and discomforts and discomforts and sadness and depression and all that kind sadness and depression and all that kind sadness and depression and all that kind of stuff yeah or it could be more of stuff yeah or it could be more of stuff yeah or it could be more speaking to the sort of existentialist speaking to the sort of existentialist speaking to the sort of existentialist the philosophical the philosophical the philosophical the absurdity of it all yep the fact the absurdity of it all yep the fact the absurdity of it all yep the fact that stuff happens good stuff happens that stuff happens good stuff happens that stuff happens good stuff happens for no reason bad stuff happens for no for no reason bad stuff happens for no for no reason bad stuff happens for no reason yeah um yeah that it's

reason yeah um yeah that it's reason yeah um yeah that it's no matter how much you try no matter how much you try no matter how much you try there's not there's not there's not a universal fairness to the whole thing a universal fairness to the whole thing a universal fairness to the whole thing there's not even a universal meaning to there's not even a universal meaning to there's not even a universal meaning to the whole thing the whole thing the whole thing so the existentialist perspective what so the existentialist perspective what so the existentialist perspective what do you what what flavor of suffering do do you what what flavor of suffering do do you what what flavor of suffering do you prefer oh it was an ice cream shop you prefer oh it was an ice cream shop you prefer oh it was an ice cream shop ah that's so funny well i'm gonna i'm ah that's so funny well i'm gonna i'm ah that's so funny well i'm gonna i'm definitely picking desire over the like definitely picking desire over the like definitely picking desire over the like if if if in in the rgb that we're talking about in in the rgb that we're talking about in in the rgb that we're talking about here is here is here is desire desire desire aversion aversion aversion and ignorance so if you want to find and ignorance so if you want to find and ignorance so if you want to find like the three like the three like the three uh the the three ingredients that are uh the the three ingredients that are uh the the three ingredients that are giving everyone their sophisticated giving everyone their sophisticated giving everyone their sophisticated bits of suffering there you go that's bits of suffering there you go that's bits of suffering there you go that's what what's uh in which way does design what what's uh in which way does design what what's uh in which way does design manifest itself in suffering it hurts manifest itself in suffering it hurts manifest itself in suffering it hurts to lose to not have to lose to not have to lose to not have like yeah it hurts to not like to like yeah it hurts to not like to like yeah it hurts to not like to eternally not have but just like eternally not have but just like eternally not have but just like my friend pointed this out he's like you my friend pointed this out he's like you my friend pointed this out he's like you know like know like know like you order something from amazon like you order something from amazon like you order something from amazon like even in the smallest way you're excited even in the smallest way you're excited even in the smallest way you're excited about whatever the thing is you order about whatever the thing is you order about whatever the thing is you order this thing from amazon it's not coming this thing from amazon it's not coming this thing from amazon it's not coming for four days so those four days are for four days so those four days are for four days so those four days are going to be somewhat marked by you being going to be somewhat marked by you being going to be somewhat marked by you being what people say i'm excited about it what people say i'm excited about it what people say i'm excited about it but really if you look at that feeling but really if you look at that feeling but really if you look at that feeling it's uncomfortable like the feeling of it's uncomfortable like the feeling of it's uncomfortable like the feeling of wanting the thing is uncomfortable wanting the thing is uncomfortable wanting the thing is uncomfortable so so so that is a form of suffering that's that is a form of suffering that's that is a form of suffering that's suffering suffering suffering interesting i mean i wonder interesting i mean i wonder interesting i mean i wonder because we naturally reframe that in our because we naturally reframe that in our because we naturally reframe that in our mind mind mind wanting wanting wanting we reframe that as a good thing as um

we reframe that as a good thing as um we reframe that as a good thing as um and maybe suffering is fundamentally good fundamentally good in the way we think of what life is in the way we think of what life is in the way we think of what life is like it's life affirming like it's life affirming like it's life affirming but it's not usually how the word but it's not usually how the word but it's not usually how the word suffering is used well it's true suffering is used well it's true suffering is used well it's true it's true like the first noble truth of it's true like the first noble truth of it's true like the first noble truth of buddhism is true it's called the truth buddhism is true it's called the truth buddhism is true it's called the truth of suffering there is suffering i mean of suffering there is suffering i mean of suffering there is suffering i mean this is like an i don't know an element this is like an i don't know an element this is like an i don't know an element that you can't break it down any further that you can't break it down any further that you can't break it down any further than that like there is suffering this than that like there is suffering this than that like there is suffering this is truth so is truth so is truth so if you think if you think if you think you know and again as signing like good you know and again as signing like good you know and again as signing like good or bad to truth i think maybe or bad to truth i think maybe or bad to truth i think maybe there's more of a sort of neutrality there's more of a sort of neutrality there's more of a sort of neutrality there it's just what it is it's truth i there it's just what it is it's truth i there it's just what it is it's truth i mean is it any is it basically is mean is it any is it basically is mean is it any is it basically is suffering any disturbance suffering any disturbance suffering any disturbance uh from stillness uh from stillness uh from stillness is suffering then is suffering then is suffering then like basically any like basically any like basically any anything that happens in life that anything that happens in life that anything that happens in life that uh uh uh that's like that perturbs the system that's like that perturbs the system that's like that perturbs the system ripples in the end ripples ripples yeah ripples in the end ripples ripples yeah ripples in the end ripples ripples yeah so a still lake is is empty of suffering so a still lake is is empty of suffering so a still lake is is empty of suffering but any kind of ripple is is suffering but any kind of ripple is is suffering but any kind of ripple is is suffering in that sense a still lake is empty of in that sense a still lake is empty of in that sense a still lake is empty of suffering suffering suffering you sound like a zen master it seems you sound like a zen master it seems you sound like a zen master it seems like something is in masturbation if i like something is in masturbation if i like something is in masturbation if i can just grow a beard like yours ah i can just grow a beard like yours ah i can just grow a beard like yours ah i know the beard doesn't help know the beard doesn't help know the beard doesn't help if i had your chin you think i'd have a if i had your chin you think i'd have a if i had your chin you think i'd have a fucking beard i look like a stork you fucking beard i look like a stork you fucking beard i look like a stork you should see me if i had your chin there should see me if i had your chin there should see me if i had your chin there would be no beard here no you have a would be no beard here no you have a would be no beard here no you have a symmetrical nice chin this is the symmetrical nice chin this is the symmetrical nice chin this is the closest i can come to plastic surgery

closest i can come to plastic surgery closest i can come to plastic surgery pubic plastic surgery friend pubic plastic surgery friend pubic plastic surgery friend that's how you know you're a that's how you know you're a that's how you know you're a professional comedian professional comedian professional comedian uh uh uh yes it's suffering they're suffering yes it's suffering they're suffering yes it's suffering they're suffering and and and the lake the lake the lake analogy is pretty good because analogy is pretty good because analogy is pretty good because the um what's happening here is that that what's happening here is that that we have become we have become we have become identified with something that we call a identified with something that we call a identified with something that we call a self so self so self so this the self is just accepted i have a this the self is just accepted i have a this the self is just accepted i have a self i have an identity i'm a person i self i have an identity i'm a person i self i have an identity i'm a person i have a self have a self have a self but but but when you when you when you start doing scans to try to find start doing scans to try to find start doing scans to try to find yourself which is the entire thing i'm yourself which is the entire thing i'm yourself which is the entire thing i'm going to find going to find going to find myself you get in a van go to california myself you get in a van go to california myself you get in a van go to california take some acid yeah fuck a prostitute on take some acid yeah fuck a prostitute on take some acid yeah fuck a prostitute on the bus or whatever kerouac did i'm the bus or whatever kerouac did i'm the bus or whatever kerouac did i'm gonna find myself she didn't gonna find myself she didn't gonna find myself she didn't he she wasn't a prostitute just to he she wasn't a prostitute just to he she wasn't a prostitute just to correct the record oh previously correct the record oh previously correct the record oh previously prostituted i guess once a prostitute prostituted i guess once a prostitute prostituted i guess once a prostitute was a prostitute you know what she's a was a prostitute you know what she's a was a prostitute you know what she's a former i don't think that no and look former i don't think that no and look former i don't think that no and look i'm not i've i'm not i've i'm not i've not assigned it look all i'm saying is not assigned it look all i'm saying is not assigned it look all i'm saying is uh i don't care who cares who has a bit uh i don't care who cares who has a bit uh i don't care who cares who has a bit of prostitute god you are used to be one of prostitute god you are used to be one of prostitute god you are used to be one we're all obviously we're all kind of a we're all obviously we're all kind of a we're all obviously we're all kind of a kind of prostitute yeah yes yes but the kind of prostitute yeah yes yes but the kind of prostitute yeah yes yes but the the i make love the i make love the i make love and we make money and we make money and we make money therefore we're all a kind of prostitute therefore we're all a kind of prostitute therefore we're all a kind of prostitute we make god how great i would really we make god how great i would really we make god how great i would really love to be able to make money by fucking love to be able to make money by fucking love to be able to make money by fucking i mean it's maybe not directly but in i mean it's maybe not directly but in i mean it's maybe not directly but in some sense directly some sense directly some sense directly [Laughter]

[Laughter] [Laughter] do you accept venmo never too late to start that's so sort never too late to start that's so sort of one of the ways in is this sort of of one of the ways in is this sort of of one of the ways in is this sort of contemplation of contemplation of contemplation of the identity because it's like the identity because it's like the identity because it's like uh uh uh you know what it's it's not just the you know what it's it's not just the you know what it's it's not just the desire it's what is having the desire desire it's what is having the desire desire it's what is having the desire where does the desire live in like what where does the desire live in like what where does the desire live in like what doesn't want to be where it's at what is doesn't want to be where it's at what is doesn't want to be where it's at what is the thing that is like the thing that is like the thing that is like desperately wanting to get out of the desperately wanting to get out of the desperately wanting to get out of the situation it's in and then um as far as situation it's in and then um as far as situation it's in and then um as far as ignorance uh it's still something that's ignorance uh it's still something that's ignorance uh it's still something that's theoretically happening to an identity theoretically happening to an identity theoretically happening to an identity so so so so wrapped up in it is really just this so wrapped up in it is really just this so wrapped up in it is really just this sort of like and that's where we run sort of like and that's where we run sort of like and that's where we run into what into what into what into attachment so if into attachment so if into attachment so if if the first noble truth of buddhism is if the first noble truth of buddhism is if the first noble truth of buddhism is there is suffering there is suffering there is suffering the second noble truth of buddhism is the second noble truth of buddhism is the second noble truth of buddhism is um the cause um the cause um the cause of of of this suffering is attachment and so this suffering is attachment and so this suffering is attachment and so people hear that and they take it that's people hear that and they take it that's people hear that and they take it that's a there's a lot of levels to that a there's a lot of levels to that a there's a lot of levels to that concept definitely the cause of concept definitely the cause of concept definitely the cause of suffering is attachment i mean god i suffering is attachment i mean god i suffering is attachment i mean god i just got addicted to vapes is there a just got addicted to vapes is there a just got addicted to vapes is there a more embarrassing more embarrassing more embarrassing addiction than vapes i'm smoking like a addiction than vapes i'm smoking like a addiction than vapes i'm smoking like a little purple thing it tastes like sugar little purple thing it tastes like sugar little purple thing it tastes like sugar it's attachment it is there is suffering it's attachment it is there is suffering it's attachment it is there is suffering i want it i have to charge it now i'm i want it i have to charge it now i'm i want it i have to charge it now i'm embarrassed by it makes me feel out of embarrassed by it makes me feel out of embarrassed by it makes me feel out of control there's a lot of suffering but control there's a lot of suffering but control there's a lot of suffering but also also also there's deeper levels of attachment they there's deeper levels of attachment they there's deeper levels of attachment they go all the way to this

go all the way to this go all the way to this attachment to the sense of attachment to the sense of attachment to the sense of one's one's one's self and the i think the existentialists self and the i think the existentialists self and the i think the existentialists do get into this idea in a different way do get into this idea in a different way do get into this idea in a different way which is like which is like which is like because i think i'm a me because i think i'm a me because i think i'm a me now i have to push now i have to push now i have to push what that thing is out into the world what that thing is out into the world what that thing is out into the world through my actions and that's a kind of through my actions and that's a kind of through my actions and that's a kind of attachment too attachment too attachment too exactly there you go right and that exactly there you go right and that exactly there you go right and that leads to the third noble truth which is get rid of attachment get rid of attachment and you won't suffer anymore and you won't suffer anymore and you won't suffer anymore uh uh uh that's it seems logical but you know it that's it seems logical but you know it that's it seems logical but you know it is a very is a very is a very it is a mathematical analysis of it is a mathematical analysis of it is a mathematical analysis of uh this particular problem of suffering uh this particular problem of suffering uh this particular problem of suffering it's addressing and then the fourth it's addressing and then the fourth it's addressing and then the fourth noble truth is the eightfold path of noble truth is the eightfold path of noble truth is the eightfold path of buddhism which is like a buddhism which is like a buddhism which is like a a process by which one could a process by which one could a process by which one could unencumber unencumber unencumber oneself from this identification with oneself from this identification with oneself from this identification with something that isn't real something that isn't real something that isn't real do you have a bathroom break do you have a bathroom break do you have a bathroom break yeah thank you i do yeah thank you i do yeah thank you i do appreciate that appreciate that appreciate that there's a funny moment i was running in there's a funny moment i was running in there's a funny moment i was running in the heat yesterday listening to the heat yesterday listening to the heat yesterday listening to gulag archipelago gulag archipelago gulag archipelago and uh there's a which was a very and uh there's a which was a very and uh there's a which was a very welcome break because i'm looking for welcome break because i'm looking for welcome break because i'm looking for any excuse to stop whatsoever any excuse to stop whatsoever any excuse to stop whatsoever uh the uh the uh the gentleman very nice gentleman stopped me gentleman very nice gentleman stopped me gentleman very nice gentleman stopped me saying recognize me just said a bunch of saying recognize me just said a bunch of saying recognize me just said a bunch of friendly things friendly things friendly things and then he and then he and then he mentioned as as one of the people who mentioned as as one of the people who mentioned as as one of the people who really inspires him is really inspires him is really inspires him is duncan trussell duncan trussell duncan trussell you know you know you know and now i was uh i mean i'm the same way

and now i was uh i mean i'm the same way and now i was uh i mean i'm the same way and i told them you know tomorrow it and i told them you know tomorrow it and i told them you know tomorrow it felt like a name drop felt like a name drop felt like a name drop i named you this morning i named you this morning i named you this morning i was like tomorrow i'm gonna get to i was like tomorrow i'm gonna get to i was like tomorrow i'm gonna get to meet him so he says he says hi and meet him so he says he says hi and meet him so he says he says hi and there's oh and he said that um there's oh and he said that um there's oh and he said that um he watched midnight gospel on he watched midnight gospel on he watched midnight gospel on on mushrooms and it was like the on mushrooms and it was like the on mushrooms and it was like the greatest mushroom experience of his life greatest mushroom experience of his life greatest mushroom experience of his life i don't know i don't know i don't know yeah man i yeah i was nervous about yeah man i yeah i was nervous about yeah man i yeah i was nervous about meeting you man like i have so much meeting you man like i have so much meeting you man like i have so much respect for you and like oh yeah i name respect for you and like oh yeah i name respect for you and like oh yeah i name dropped i was saying i'm going on alex's dropped i was saying i'm going on alex's dropped i was saying i'm going on alex's podcast today it's you look we're so podcast today it's you look we're so podcast today it's you look we're so lucky we all live here what the fuck lucky we all live here what the fuck lucky we all live here what the fuck we're all living in austin together like we're all living in austin together like we're all living in austin together like i i i i i i somehow like missed that somehow like missed that somehow like missed that but but but that's we all got to hang out we all that's we all got to hang out we all that's we all got to hang out we all have to like start doing stuff but you have to like start doing stuff but you have to like start doing stuff but you have to really also you have to have to really also you have to have to really also you have to appreciate this moment i appreciate this moment i appreciate this moment i i remember uh i i know i remember uh i i know i remember uh i i know some people are less amount and some people are less amount and some people are less amount and sentimental than others sentimental than others sentimental than others but i remember sitting with um but i remember sitting with um but i remember sitting with um with joe rogan with joe rogan with joe rogan and with eric weinstein i believe it was and with eric weinstein i believe it was and with eric weinstein i believe it was yeah and at the back of the comedy store yeah and at the back of the comedy store yeah and at the back of the comedy store um shortly before covet i think um shortly before covet i think um shortly before covet i think and just thinking like there's no way and just thinking like there's no way and just thinking like there's no way these things will last these things will last these things will last and these things meaning the comedy and these things meaning the comedy and these things meaning the comedy store store store joe rogan joe rogan joe rogan yeah joe rogan d joe rogan like a pot yeah joe rogan d joe rogan like a pot yeah joe rogan d joe rogan like a pot like a pocket influential podcasting like a pocket influential podcasting like a pocket influential podcasting person yeah also person yeah also person yeah also uh a person uh a person uh a person like in this room in this space the like in this room in this space the like in this room in this space the ability to just talk for hours and lose

ability to just talk for hours and lose ability to just talk for hours and lose ourselves in this moment it just felt um ourselves in this moment it just felt um ourselves in this moment it just felt um ephemeral somehow ephemeral somehow ephemeral somehow temporary and i just wanted to capture temporary and i just wanted to capture temporary and i just wanted to capture that moment somehow like yeah i don't that moment somehow like yeah i don't that moment somehow like yeah i don't know sometimes that's where the know sometimes that's where the know sometimes that's where the temptation to take a picture and that temptation to take a picture and that temptation to take a picture and that kind of stuff or record a podcast comes kind of stuff or record a podcast comes kind of stuff or record a podcast comes from right but just felt like it would from right but just felt like it would from right but just felt like it would be it'd be gone forever be it'd be gone forever be it'd be gone forever of course uh joe doesn't seem to have of course uh joe doesn't seem to have of course uh joe doesn't seem to have that kind of sentiment that kind of sentiment that kind of sentiment no no no just wherever you end up you no no no just wherever you end up you no no no just wherever you end up you just enjoy the shit out of it right just enjoy the shit out of it right just enjoy the shit out of it right that's it well and that's something you that's it well and that's something you that's it well and that's something you have to cultivate you know that's not an have to cultivate you know that's not an have to cultivate you know that's not an easy the thing you're talking about you easy the thing you're talking about you easy the thing you're talking about you know uh know uh know uh god have you seen these god have you seen these god have you seen these uh i think the best analogy for you're uh i think the best analogy for you're uh i think the best analogy for you're talking about there's these videos where talking about there's these videos where talking about there's these videos where people give like a sugar cube to a people give like a sugar cube to a people give like a sugar cube to a raccoon raccoon raccoon but the raccoons they wash their food so but the raccoons they wash their food so but the raccoons they wash their food so raccoon or i think it's cotton candy raccoon or i think it's cotton candy raccoon or i think it's cotton candy they give the raccoon cotton candy they give the raccoon cotton candy they give the raccoon cotton candy immediately it washes the cotton candy immediately it washes the cotton candy immediately it washes the cotton candy and of course the cotton candy dissolves and of course the cotton candy dissolves and of course the cotton candy dissolves in the water and the raccoon is like in the water and the raccoon is like in the water and the raccoon is like what the fuck like you know and and the what the fuck like you know and and the what the fuck like you know and and the thing you're that grasping you're thing you're that grasping you're thing you're that grasping you're talking about it's like the raccoon talking about it's like the raccoon talking about it's like the raccoon washing the cotton candy like the moment washing the cotton candy like the moment washing the cotton candy like the moment you get into the grasping part you get into the grasping part you get into the grasping part you you you paradoxically have pulled yourself out paradoxically have pulled yourself out paradoxically have pulled yourself out of the moment that inspired the grasping of the moment that inspired the grasping of the moment that inspired the grasping part part part and and that's you know that's some and and that's you know that's some and and that's you know that's some people that's the entirety of their people that's the entirety of their people that's the entirety of their lives lives lives trying to record i mean jesus man you trying to record i mean jesus man you trying to record i mean jesus man you ever see people film fireworks on the ever see people film fireworks on the ever see people film fireworks on the fourth of july with their phone it's one fourth of july with their phone it's one fourth of july with their phone it's one of the most remarkable of the most remarkable of the most remarkable qual qual qual aspects of human behavior which is like aspects of human behavior which is like aspects of human behavior which is like you know they're not gonna watch

you know they're not gonna watch you know they're not gonna watch the fireworks the fireworks the fireworks on their phone on their phone on their phone only a lunatic would do that like who's only a lunatic would do that like who's only a lunatic would do that like who's gonna go back and look at fireworks but gonna go back and look at fireworks but gonna go back and look at fireworks but but we're also in this position where but we're also in this position where but we're also in this position where because of podcasting there is some because of podcasting there is some because of podcasting there is some aspect where you can record a magical aspect where you can record a magical aspect where you can record a magical moment in time moment in time moment in time together between two people together between two people together between two people or even just with the camera so to get or even just with the camera so to get or even just with the camera so to get back to the lake back to the lake back to the lake that you were talking about this is that you were talking about this is that you were talking about this is emptiness so that's emptiness that's emptiness so that's emptiness that's emptiness so that's emptiness that's what's known as emptiness the lake is what's known as emptiness the lake is what's known as emptiness the lake is emptiness and that's what we are emptiness and that's what we are emptiness and that's what we are emptiness emptiness and that's another emptiness emptiness and that's another emptiness emptiness and that's another thing that gets very confused in in in thing that gets very confused in in in thing that gets very confused in in in buddhism is that buddhism is that buddhism is that emptiness and that emptiness emptiness and that emptiness emptiness and that emptiness is that's to me like when i'm going to do a podcast that's where i try going to do a podcast that's where i try to go i try to go just in the moment to go i try to go just in the moment to go i try to go just in the moment no agenda you know if i am nervous or no agenda you know if i am nervous or no agenda you know if i am nervous or whatever okay i'll feel the nervousness whatever okay i'll feel the nervousness whatever okay i'll feel the nervousness but just in the just drop into the but just in the just drop into the but just in the just drop into the moment that's when time change time moment that's when time change time moment that's when time change time changes and then you look up changes and then you look up changes and then you look up hours have passed it feels like a second hours have passed it feels like a second hours have passed it feels like a second and the reason it feels like that is and the reason it feels like that is and the reason it feels like that is because if you because if you because if you uh successfully dropped into the moment uh successfully dropped into the moment uh successfully dropped into the moment it's it's it's it's the lake now it's emptiness it's it's the lake now it's emptiness it's it's the lake now it's emptiness it's forever for a second you're like dim forever for a second you're like dim forever for a second you're like dim you're dipping into eternity and you're dipping into eternity and you're dipping into eternity and and yeah it's a it's a very strange and yeah it's a it's a very strange and yeah it's a it's a very strange thing to to as part of that record it thing to to as part of that record it thing to to as part of that record it you know it's part of that try to like you know it's part of that try to like you know it's part of that try to like grab it and and put it out there but it grab it and and put it out there but it grab it and and put it out there but it works works works can you speak to that to uh the duncan can you speak to that to uh the duncan can you speak to that to uh the duncan trussell family hour can you speak about

trussell family hour can you speak about trussell family hour can you speak about that purple lavender world you go to that purple lavender world you go to that purple lavender world you go to when it's most intense and successful when it's most intense and successful when it's most intense and successful for you when you feel a sense of for you when you feel a sense of for you when you feel a sense of lightness and happiness when it when it lightness and happiness when it when it lightness and happiness when it when it works yeah whether it's your own or a works yeah whether it's your own or a works yeah whether it's your own or a conversation with joe in general whereas conversation with joe in general whereas conversation with joe in general whereas uh well yours is very specific because uh well yours is very specific because uh well yours is very specific because it's audio only maybe you can also speak it's audio only maybe you can also speak it's audio only maybe you can also speak to that yes to that yes to that yes you might as well be you might as well be you might as well be naked or you don't have to yeah you have naked or you don't have to yeah you have naked or you don't have to yeah you have to you're free of the conventions yes of to you're free of the conventions yes of to you're free of the conventions yes of the the real world the the real world the the real world i will never stop i will never stop i will never stop thinking it's remarkable like the fact thinking it's remarkable like the fact thinking it's remarkable like the fact that i'm talking to you to me that i'm talking to you to me that i'm talking to you to me seems remarkable not just seems remarkable not just seems remarkable not just technologically but i'm talking to technologically but i'm talking to technologically but i'm talking to someone someone someone i'm assuming i'm allowed to say this who i'm assuming i'm allowed to say this who i'm assuming i'm allowed to say this who has robot has robot has robot dogs that i've been watching dogs that i've been watching dogs that i've been watching for years evolve on youtube i'm for years evolve on youtube i'm for years evolve on youtube i'm arms reach away from one of these things arms reach away from one of these things arms reach away from one of these things you know and i'm i'm with somebody who you know and i'm i'm with somebody who you know and i'm i'm with somebody who is like an acclaimed genius so for me is like an acclaimed genius so for me is like an acclaimed genius so for me it's like oh my god how's it's like oh my god how's it's like oh my god how's what why do i get to have this what why do i get to have this what why do i get to have this conversation why do i get to be here conversation why do i get to be here conversation why do i get to be here when there would be like a line there'd when there would be like a line there'd when there would be like a line there'd be a line that were just wrapped and be a line that were just wrapped and be a line that were just wrapped and wrapped and wrapped around this building wrapped and wrapped around this building wrapped and wrapped around this building and people would love a chance to just and people would love a chance to just and people would love a chance to just chat with you and so when i with my chat with you and so when i with my chat with you and so when i with my podcast podcast podcast that is how i feel like when i'm talking that is how i feel like when i'm talking that is how i feel like when i'm talking to these guests you know who have to these guests you know who have to these guests you know who have spent you know some of them have like spent you know some of them have like spent you know some of them have like spent their entire lifetime spent their entire lifetime spent their entire lifetime meditating

meditating meditating you know studying specific you know studying specific you know studying specific uh aspects of buddhism or or even when uh aspects of buddhism or or even when uh aspects of buddhism or or even when i'm with you know with when i'm with i'm with you know with when i'm with i'm with you know with when i'm with comedians who who i like comedians who who i like comedians who who i like consider to be brilliantly funny so for consider to be brilliantly funny so for consider to be brilliantly funny so for me it's just like me it's just like me it's just like god i almost feel like god i almost feel like god i almost feel like i've just created some sophisticated i've just created some sophisticated i've just created some sophisticated trap for cool people where like i get to trap for cool people where like i get to trap for cool people where like i get to like hang out with him so you're like like hang out with him so you're like like hang out with him so you're like sitting in the gratitude of it just just sitting in the gratitude of it just just sitting in the gratitude of it just just feeling lucky yeah yeah feeling lucky feeling lucky yeah yeah feeling lucky feeling lucky yeah yeah feeling lucky and wrestling with imposter syndrome you and wrestling with imposter syndrome you and wrestling with imposter syndrome you know trying to like get that part of know trying to like get that part of know trying to like get that part of myself to shut up long enough so i could myself to shut up long enough so i could myself to shut up long enough so i could be in that moment that we're talking be in that moment that we're talking be in that moment that we're talking about you know about you know about you know and and then and then i carry that with and and then and then i carry that with and and then and then i carry that with me it's not just like you stop the me it's not just like you stop the me it's not just like you stop the podcast it's like some of the things podcast it's like some of the things podcast it's like some of the things these people tell me these people tell me these people tell me or some of the ways they are like it or some of the ways they are like it or some of the ways they are like it becomes part of me and then i get to becomes part of me and then i get to becomes part of me and then i get to have a life where this thing that they have a life where this thing that they have a life where this thing that they gave me is in in me forever and so yeah gave me is in in me forever and so yeah gave me is in in me forever and so yeah it's uh it's there's yeah it's cool how it's uh it's there's yeah it's cool how it's uh it's there's yeah it's cool how conversation can just conversation can just conversation can just a few sentences a few sentences a few sentences can change the direction of your life if can change the direction of your life if can change the direction of your life if you're listening if you're there to be you're listening if you're there to be you're listening if you're there to be transformed by the words they will do transformed by the words they will do transformed by the words they will do the work yes the work yes the work yes um and it's the full mix of it it's um and it's the full mix of it it's um and it's the full mix of it it's usually usually usually when um if you look up to somebody when um if you look up to somebody when um if you look up to somebody and it's true for me at least i think it and it's true for me at least i think it and it's true for me at least i think it is for you that you start to look up to is for you that you start to look up to is for you that you start to look up to basically everybody you talk to yes basically everybody you talk to yes basically everybody you talk to yes yes good sign yeah that's a good sign yes good sign yeah that's a good sign yes good sign yeah that's a good sign god forbid it goes the other way yeah god forbid it goes the other way yeah god forbid it goes the other way yeah you're in trouble yeah if all of a you're in trouble yeah if all of a you're in trouble yeah if all of a sudden you start looking down on people

sudden you start looking down on people sudden you start looking down on people because whatever crazy metric you're because whatever crazy metric you're because whatever crazy metric you're using using using oh that would freak me out i do feel oh that would freak me out i do feel oh that would freak me out i do feel like that's the quality of getting older like that's the quality of getting older like that's the quality of getting older when i was younger i really like i when i was younger i really like i when i was younger i really like i i thought it was so smart like i thought i thought it was so smart like i thought i thought it was so smart like i thought i all figured out oh really so you're i all figured out oh really so you're i all figured out oh really so you're going you're your ego is just going going you're your ego is just going going you're your ego is just going taking the nosedive i would like to say taking the nosedive i would like to say taking the nosedive i would like to say it's my ego taking a nosedive i've me it's my ego taking a nosedive i've me it's my ego taking a nosedive i've me and my friend talk about it a bunch and my friend talk about it a bunch and my friend talk about it a bunch we've just always associated it with we've just always associated it with we've just always associated it with like doing like doing like doing acid for acid for acid for two decades straight like i'm gonna just two decades straight like i'm gonna just two decades straight like i'm gonna just assume i'm just like assume i'm just like assume i'm just like slowly like spiraling into senility you slowly like spiraling into senility you slowly like spiraling into senility you know like i'm just like i i know like i'm just like i i know like i'm just like i i all the confidence all the like oh the all the confidence all the like oh the all the confidence all the like oh the certainty when you're having like in certainty when you're having like in certainty when you're having like in college having the great yeah oh like college having the great yeah oh like college having the great yeah oh like like you know you i remember you're like you know you i remember you're like you know you i remember you're you feel like you're a representative of you feel like you're a representative of you feel like you're a representative of camus or some shit you know what i mean camus or some shit you know what i mean camus or some shit you know what i mean you read the myth of sisyphus and now you read the myth of sisyphus and now you read the myth of sisyphus and now you like it know all existentialism and you like it know all existentialism and you like it know all existentialism and your certainty in regards to it is your certainty in regards to it is your certainty in regards to it is embarrassing but you don't see it in embarrassing but you don't see it in embarrassing but you don't see it in that way you just feel certain and then that way you just feel certain and then that way you just feel certain and then that certainty it just starts like that certainty it just starts like that certainty it just starts like it starts crumbling a little bit and it starts crumbling a little bit and it starts crumbling a little bit and then then then yeah you know i get to actually yeah you know i get to actually yeah you know i get to actually intensely experience intensely experience intensely experience that certainty in many communities but that certainty in many communities but that certainty in many communities but one in in cryptocurrency one in in cryptocurrency one in in cryptocurrency young folks young folks young folks with the certainty that this technology with the certainty that this technology with the certainty that this technology would transform the world yeah and i would transform the world yeah and i would transform the world yeah and i mean this is almost one of the big mean this is almost one of the big mean this is almost one of the big communities of the modern era communities of the modern era communities of the modern era where they believe that this will really where they believe that this will really where they believe that this will really solve so many of the problems of the

solve so many of the problems of the solve so many of the problems of the world they believe in it very intensely world they believe in it very intensely world they believe in it very intensely and and and aside from the technology and the aside from the technology and the aside from the technology and the details of the thing all i see is the details of the thing all i see is the details of the thing all i see is the certainty and the passion in their eyes certainty and the passion in their eyes certainty and the passion in their eyes they'll stop me let me they'll stop me let me they'll stop me let me uh let me explain you let me let me just uh let me explain you let me let me just uh let me explain you let me let me just give me a chance to tell you why this give me a chance to tell you why this give me a chance to tell you why this thing is extremely powerful and i i just thing is extremely powerful and i i just thing is extremely powerful and i i just get to enjoy the glow of that because get to enjoy the glow of that because get to enjoy the glow of that because it's like yeah wow this i i miss having it's like yeah wow this i i miss having it's like yeah wow this i i miss having that certainty about anything yeah it's that certainty about anything yeah it's that certainty about anything yeah it's probably come over for me too probably come over for me too probably come over for me too yeah but when i was younger it's like yeah but when i was younger it's like yeah but when i was younger it's like only only only i deeply understand the i deeply understand the i deeply understand the the relationship of man the relationship of man the relationship of man to his mortality yeah and i understood to his mortality yeah and i understood to his mortality yeah and i understood that most deeply i think when i was like that most deeply i think when i was like that most deeply i think when i was like 16 or 17. and i have i am the 16 or 17. and i have i am the 16 or 17. and i have i am the representative of the human condition representative of the human condition representative of the human condition and all these adults and all these adults and all these adults with their busyness day-to-day life and with their busyness day-to-day life and with their busyness day-to-day life and their concerns they don't deeply their concerns they don't deeply their concerns they don't deeply understand right what i understand which understand right what i understand which understand right what i understand which is the only thing that matters is the only thing that matters is the only thing that matters is uh is uh is uh the absurdity of the human condition the absurdity of the human condition the absurdity of the human condition yeah yeah yeah yeah and and let me quote you some dusty yeah and and let me quote you some dusty yeah and and let me quote you some dusty husky oh boy and you speak russian yes husky oh boy and you speak russian yes husky oh boy and you speak russian yes you've read the brothers karamazov in you've read the brothers karamazov in you've read the brothers karamazov in russian unfortunately i have to admit russian unfortunately i have to admit russian unfortunately i have to admit that that that um um um i read all of these in english i i came to this country when i was 13 came to this country when i was 13 came to this country when i was 13 and at least don't remember we read a and at least don't remember we read a and at least don't remember we read a lot but we read lot but we read lot but we read tolstoy pushkin

tolstoy pushkin tolstoy pushkin a lot of the russian literature but it a lot of the russian literature but it a lot of the russian literature but it was it in russian but i don't remember was it in russian but i don't remember was it in russian but i don't remember reading dusties i wonder which point reading dusties i wonder which point reading dusties i wonder which point does the russian education system give does the russian education system give does the russian education system give you dostoevsky because it's pretty heavy you dostoevsky because it's pretty heavy you dostoevsky because it's pretty heavy stuff in second grade stuff in second grade stuff in second grade that's right the second grade russians that's right the second grade russians that's right the second grade russians are intense i don't remember yes they are intense i don't remember yes they are intense i don't remember yes they they are they're very they very much are they are they're very they very much are they are they're very they very much are i don't remember reading this but i did i don't remember reading this but i did i don't remember reading this but i did uh uh uh tangent upon a tangent upon a tangent i tangent upon a tangent upon a tangent i tangent upon a tangent upon a tangent i traveled to paris recently on the way to traveled to paris recently on the way to traveled to paris recently on the way to ukraine ukraine ukraine and uh was and uh was and uh was scheduled to talk to richard piver and scheduled to talk to richard piver and scheduled to talk to richard piver and oliver say this pair the translate oliver say this pair the translate oliver say this pair the translate dostoevsky dostoevsky dostoevsky uh tolstoy just this famous pair that uh tolstoy just this famous pair that uh tolstoy just this famous pair that translate most of russian literature to translate most of russian literature to translate most of russian literature to english and i i was english and i i was english and i i was planning to have a sequence of planning to have a sequence of planning to have a sequence of you know five ten fifteen hour you know five ten fifteen hour you know five ten fifteen hour conversation with them about the conversation with them about the conversation with them about the different details of all the different details of all the different details of all the translations and so on um i just found translations and so on um i just found translations and so on um i just found myself in a very dark place mentally myself in a very dark place mentally myself in a very dark place mentally where i couldn't think about podcasts or where i couldn't think about podcasts or where i couldn't think about podcasts or anything like that it caught me off anything like that it caught me off anything like that it caught me off guard guard guard so i went to paris and just laid there so i went to paris and just laid there so i went to paris and just laid there for a day for a day for a day not just being stressed about not just being stressed about not just being stressed about ukraine and all those kinds of things ukraine and all those kinds of things ukraine and all those kinds of things yeah but i'm still yeah but i'm still yeah but i'm still the the act of translation is such a the the act of translation is such a the the act of translation is such a fascinating fascinating fascinating way to approach some of the deepest way to approach some of the deepest way to approach some of the deepest questions that this literature raises questions that this literature raises questions that this literature raises which is like how do i capture the which is like how do i capture the which is like how do i capture the essence of a sentence that has so much essence of a sentence that has so much essence of a sentence that has so much power and translate it into another power and translate it into another power and translate it into another language right that act is actually language right that act is actually language right that act is actually really really interesting and there

really really interesting and there really really interesting and there i found with my conversations with them i found with my conversations with them i found with my conversations with them they they they they've really thought through this they've really thought through this they've really thought through this stuff it's not just about language it's stuff it's not just about language it's stuff it's not just about language it's about the ideas in those books right and about the ideas in those books right and about the ideas in those books right and that's um that that also really makes me that's um that that also really makes me that's um that that also really makes me sad because i wonder how much is lost in sad because i wonder how much is lost in sad because i wonder how much is lost in translation i'm currently translation i'm currently translation i'm currently so when i was in ukraine so when i was in ukraine so when i was in ukraine i talked to a lot of i talked to a lot of i talked to a lot of like half the conversations i had like half the conversations i had like half the conversations i had on the record were in russian on the record were in russian on the record were in russian and and and basically basically basically a hundred percent off the record were in a hundred percent off the record were in a hundred percent off the record were in in russian versus in in english in russian versus in in english in russian versus in in english and uh just so much is lost in those and uh just so much is lost in those and uh just so much is lost in those languages and i'm now struggling languages and i'm now struggling languages and i'm now struggling because i'm uh launching a russian because i'm uh launching a russian because i'm uh launching a russian channel or channel or channel or there would be a russian overdub of there would be a russian overdub of there would be a russian overdub of duncan wow duncan wow duncan wow your wow will now be translated into your wow will now be translated into your wow will now be translated into russian what's russian wow russian what's russian wow russian what's russian wow i don't that it'll just be wow probably i don't that it'll just be wow probably i don't that it'll just be wow probably i'm so sorry for the for the i'm so sorry for the for the i'm so sorry for the for the difficulties of having to translate wow difficulties of having to translate wow difficulties of having to translate wow usually probably with wow they'll leave usually probably with wow they'll leave usually probably with wow they'll leave it unoverdubbed because people it unoverdubbed because people it unoverdubbed because people understand exactly what you mean but understand exactly what you mean but understand exactly what you mean but that's an art form and it's a weird art that's an art form and it's a weird art that's an art form and it's a weird art form yeah it's like how do you capture form yeah it's like how do you capture form yeah it's like how do you capture the the the the chemistry the chemistry the chemistry the excitement the the excitement the the excitement the yeah yeah yeah i don't know maybe i don't know maybe i don't know maybe the the humor the the humor the the humor the implied kind of wit i don't know the implied kind of wit i don't know the implied kind of wit i don't know there's just layers of complexity in there's just layers of complexity in there's just layers of complexity in language that you it's very difficult to language that you it's very difficult to language that you it's very difficult to capture yeah and i wonder how capture yeah and i wonder how capture yeah and i wonder how it is sad for me because i know russian

it is sad for me because i know russian it is sad for me because i know russian how much is lost in translation and the how much is lost in translation and the how much is lost in translation and the same same same you know there's a brewing conflict and you know there's a brewing conflict and you know there's a brewing conflict and tension with china now and so much is tension with china now and so much is tension with china now and so much is lost in the translation between those lost in the translation between those lost in the translation between those languages oh my god yeah in cultures the languages oh my god yeah in cultures the languages oh my god yeah in cultures the entire entire entire the the music of the people is the the music of the people is the the music of the people is completely lost because we don't know completely lost because we don't know completely lost because we don't know the language or most of us don't know the language or most of us don't know the language or most of us don't know yeah how much of the conflict is just yeah how much of the conflict is just yeah how much of the conflict is just problems in translation how much of the problems in translation how much of the problems in translation how much of the all these problems that we're having are all these problems that we're having are all these problems that we're having are just the alien sense of this or that just the alien sense of this or that just the alien sense of this or that it's just as simple as that it's just as simple as that it's just as simple as that words are getting words are getting words are getting just that just the a a tiny just that just the a a tiny just that just the a a tiny warp warp warp away from the intent away from the intent away from the intent of if when we both speak the same of if when we both speak the same of if when we both speak the same language language language we can still we can still we can still say something that offends someone when say something that offends someone when say something that offends someone when you never intended that at all you never intended that at all you never intended that at all how much more so how much more so how much more so when when when like it's not only is it a completely like it's not only is it a completely like it's not only is it a completely different sound but the script itself is different sound but the script itself is different sound but the script itself is different like different like different like uh what is uh what is uh what is the russian writing is it called cyril the russian writing is it called cyril the russian writing is it called cyril cyrillic or what's that yes or like cyrillic or what's that yes or like cyrillic or what's that yes or like certainly certainly certainly and i don't know the name for chinese and i don't know the name for chinese and i don't know the name for chinese writing but it's like like it's a writing but it's like like it's a writing but it's like like it's a continuum that like gets weirder and continuum that like gets weirder and continuum that like gets weirder and weirder looking you know like weirder looking you know like weirder looking you know like it's so yeah or less weird depending on it's so yeah or less weird depending on it's so yeah or less weird depending on your perspective yeah your perspective yeah your perspective yeah i'm sure depending on where you're at i'm sure depending on where you're at i'm sure depending on where you're at you know i'm definitely i'm about the you know i'm definitely i'm about the you know i'm definitely i'm about the farthest thing from a polyglot as there farthest thing from a polyglot as there farthest thing from a polyglot as there could be man like but i'll tell you could be man like but i'll tell you could be man like but i'll tell you at one point when i was getting at one point when i was getting at one point when i was getting fascinated by fascinated by fascinated by dostoevsky i did have this very

dostoevsky i did have this very dostoevsky i did have this very transient fantasy about learning russian transient fantasy about learning russian transient fantasy about learning russian so that i could like understand so that i could like understand so that i could like understand the difference in and you were you were the difference in and you were you were the difference in and you were you were 17 18 at the time good college yeah yeah 17 18 at the time good college yeah yeah 17 18 at the time good college yeah yeah brothers karamazov lost in that book brothers karamazov lost in that book brothers karamazov lost in that book just like oh god just like oh god just like oh god so so so in love with it in love with it in love with it but there's a there is definitely but there's a there is definitely but there's a there is definitely like um you know ukraine and that's what like um you know ukraine and that's what like um you know ukraine and that's what they're a lot of the war is about is they're a lot of the war is about is they're a lot of the war is about is saying you know ukraine and russia are saying you know ukraine and russia are saying you know ukraine and russia are not not not the same people there's a strong culture the same people there's a strong culture the same people there's a strong culture in ukraine there's a strong culture in in ukraine there's a strong culture in in ukraine there's a strong culture in russia but you know i know because russia but you know i know because russia but you know i know because that's where my family is from there is that's where my family is from there is that's where my family is from there is a fascinating a fascinating a fascinating strong culture strong culture strong culture but there's such strong cultures but there's such strong cultures but there's such strong cultures everywhere else too everywhere else too everywhere else too ireland has a culture scotland as a ireland has a culture scotland as a ireland has a culture scotland as a culture yeah even like a on a tiny culture yeah even like a on a tiny culture yeah even like a on a tiny island you have these like subcultures island you have these like subcultures island you have these like subcultures that are that are that are more powerful than anything existed in more powerful than anything existed in more powerful than anything existed in human history human history human history like the bronx i don't know like like the bronx i don't know like like the bronx i don't know like like different parts of new york have a like different parts of new york have a like different parts of new york have a certain culture and then new york versus certain culture and then new york versus certain culture and then new york versus l.a versus well and then certain places l.a versus well and then certain places l.a versus well and then certain places are looking for their culture like i are looking for their culture like i are looking for their culture like i don't i think austin don't i think austin don't i think austin i don't know what austin is i don't i don't know what austin is i don't i don't know what austin is i don't think anyone knows there's a think anyone knows there's a think anyone knows there's a there's a traditional austin and then there's a traditional austin and then there's a traditional austin and then it's evolving constantly same with it's evolving constantly same with it's evolving constantly same with boston a place i spent a lot of right boston a place i spent a lot of right boston a place i spent a lot of right there's a traditional boston and now there's a traditional boston and now there's a traditional boston and now it's evolving with the different yeah uh it's evolving with the different yeah uh it's evolving with the different yeah uh younger people coming from the younger people coming from the younger people coming from the university and staying and all that is university and staying and all that is university and staying and all that is evolving but underneath it there's a

evolving but underneath it there's a evolving but underneath it there's a core like the american ideal of the the core like the american ideal of the the core like the american ideal of the the value of the individual the value of value of the individual the value of value of the individual the value of freedom freedom freedom of freedom of speech all those kinds of of freedom of speech all those kinds of of freedom of speech all those kinds of things that permeates all of that and things that permeates all of that and things that permeates all of that and the same thing in the same thing in the same thing in uh the the history of world war ii uh the the history of world war ii uh the the history of world war ii permeates ukraine and russia permeates ukraine and russia permeates ukraine and russia a lot of parts of europe the memories of a lot of parts of europe the memories of a lot of parts of europe the memories of all that suffering destruction yeah the all that suffering destruction yeah the all that suffering destruction yeah the broken promises of governments and the broken promises of governments and the broken promises of governments and the uh uh uh the occupier versus the the occupier versus the the occupier versus the the liberator all that kind of stuff all the liberator all that kind of stuff all the liberator all that kind of stuff all that permeates the culture that affects that permeates the culture that affects that permeates the culture that affects how cynical or optimistic you are how cynical or optimistic you are how cynical or optimistic you are or or or how much you appreciate how much you appreciate how much you appreciate material possessions versus human material possessions versus human material possessions versus human connection right all that kind of stuff connection right all that kind of stuff connection right all that kind of stuff yeah it's i mean this is like you talk yeah it's i mean this is like you talk yeah it's i mean this is like you talk about absurdity i mean this is what war about absurdity i mean this is what war about absurdity i mean this is what war is like it's the what absurdity looks is like it's the what absurdity looks is like it's the what absurdity looks like it's it's like it's it's like it's it's some kind of organized madness none of some kind of organized madness none of some kind of organized madness none of it makes sense like all of it like it's it makes sense like all of it like it's it makes sense like all of it like it's just just just none of it makes sense like none of it makes sense like none of it makes sense like but it does but it doesn't i mean but it does but it doesn't i mean but it does but it doesn't i mean obviously you're defending yourself or obviously you're defending yourself or obviously you're defending yourself or you're you're you're taking orders that if you don't take taking orders that if you don't take taking orders that if you don't take you're you're going to jail and so you're you're going to jail and so you're you're going to jail and so or some somewhere in between you know or some somewhere in between you know or some somewhere in between you know the classic story about this maybe it's the classic story about this maybe it's the classic story about this maybe it's a bullshit myth about world war ii a bullshit myth about world war ii a bullshit myth about world war ii you've i'm sure everyone's heard it you've i'm sure everyone's heard it you've i'm sure everyone's heard it because it comes up you know it's because it comes up you know it's because it comes up you know it's christmas eve christmas eve christmas eve and they and they and they have a ceasefire have a ceasefire have a ceasefire and then i think they played soccer and then i think they played soccer and then i think they played soccer they sing christmas songs and then they they sing christmas songs and then they they sing christmas songs and then they had to force them into fighting again

had to force them into fighting again had to force them into fighting again yeah and and so when those moments yeah and and so when those moments yeah and and so when those moments happen happen happen the uh are you familiar with hakeem bay the uh are you familiar with hakeem bay the uh are you familiar with hakeem bay he's a controversial figure sadly like he's a controversial figure sadly like he's a controversial figure sadly like he like i think he was like he like i think he was like he like i think he was like with i'm not gonna defame him because i with i'm not gonna defame him because i with i'm not gonna defame him because i haven't like researched it correctly but haven't like researched it correctly but haven't like researched it correctly but some people have said shit but since i some people have said shit but since i some people have said shit but since i don't know the reference i'm not gonna don't know the reference i'm not gonna don't know the reference i'm not gonna but regardless but regardless but regardless um i mean you know look i'm sorry but um i mean you know look i'm sorry but um i mean you know look i'm sorry but bill cosby was funny you know like bill cosby was funny you know like bill cosby was funny you know like that's a that's a that's a that's a funny comedian but that's a funny comedian but that's a funny comedian but you know the other stuff michael jackson you know the other stuff michael jackson you know the other stuff michael jackson he could fucking dance he could fucking dance he could fucking dance and sing and sing but there's some other and sing and sing but there's some other and sing and sing but there's some other stuff but regardless um hakeem bay came stuff but regardless um hakeem bay came stuff but regardless um hakeem bay came up with the idea of something called a up with the idea of something called a up with the idea of something called a temporary autonomous zone temporary autonomous zone temporary autonomous zone which is that within a s which is that within a s which is that within a s structure a cultural structure structure a cultural structure structure a cultural structure a temporary a temporary a temporary bubble of bubble of bubble of freedom will appear freedom will appear freedom will appear that by that by that by its nature its nature its nature gets sort of gets sort of gets sort of popped by the bigger popped by the bigger popped by the bigger bubble or it runs out of resources bubble or it runs out of resources bubble or it runs out of resources generally is what happens so generally is what happens so generally is what happens so these things will appear just out of the these things will appear just out of the these things will appear just out of the blue that blue that blue that it's almost like it's almost like it's almost like imagine if like on earth in some tiny imagine if like on earth in some tiny imagine if like on earth in some tiny little bit of earth the gravitational little bit of earth the gravitational little bit of earth the gravitational field was reduced by field was reduced by field was reduced by some percentage and all of a sudden you some percentage and all of a sudden you some percentage and all of a sudden you could jump really high or whatever but could jump really high or whatever but could jump really high or whatever but it wouldn't last it's like that it wouldn't last it's like that it wouldn't last it's like that culturally all the restrictions and the culturally all the restrictions and the culturally all the restrictions and the darkness and the heaviness and all of it darkness and the heaviness and all of it darkness and the heaviness and all of it for a second

for a second for a second somehow this bubble appears where humans somehow this bubble appears where humans somehow this bubble appears where humans come together come together come together as the as the as the hippie ideal hippie ideal hippie ideal brothers sisters just humans brothers sisters just humans brothers sisters just humans earthlings instead of earthlings instead of earthlings instead of american chinese russian ukrainian american chinese russian ukrainian american chinese russian ukrainian temporary autonomous zone it gets temporary autonomous zone it gets temporary autonomous zone it gets crushed by the default reality that it crushed by the default reality that it crushed by the default reality that it was appearing in but somehow within that was appearing in but somehow within that was appearing in but somehow within that space space space you witness you witness you witness the possibility the possibility the possibility the possibility the frustrating the possibility the frustrating the possibility the frustrating possibility that possibility that possibility that anyone who's thought about anyone who's thought about anyone who's thought about humanity has knows this possibility humanity has knows this possibility humanity has knows this possibility which is like it seems like we can just which is like it seems like we can just which is like it seems like we can just get along get along get along like it does seem like we're pretty much like it does seem like we're pretty much like it does seem like we're pretty much the same thing and then we can just get the same thing and then we can just get the same thing and then we can just get along along along um those moments are really rare um those moments are really rare um those moments are really rare it's sad so i talked to a lot of it's sad so i talked to a lot of it's sad so i talked to a lot of soldiers a lot of people that were soldiers a lot of people that were soldiers a lot of people that were suffered through the different aspects suffered through the different aspects suffered through the different aspects of that of that of that war war war and and and there is an information war that there is an information war that there is an information war that convinces each side that convinces each side that convinces each side that the other is not just the enemy but less the other is not just the enemy but less the other is not just the enemy but less than human than human than human right right right so so so there's a real hatred towards the other there's a real hatred towards the other there's a real hatred towards the other side yeah side yeah side yeah and those kind of little moments where and those kind of little moments where and those kind of little moments where you realize oh you realize oh you realize oh they're human like me yeah and not just they're human like me yeah and not just they're human like me yeah and not just like human like me but they're they have like human like me but they're they have like human like me but they're they have the same values as me the same values as me the same values as me and um and um and um uh this this woman

uh this this woman uh this this woman who was a really respected soldier she who was a really respected soldier she who was a really respected soldier she specializes in anti-and tank missiles specializes in anti-and tank missiles specializes in anti-and tank missiles and and and she she's very kind of very pragmatic she she's very kind of very pragmatic she she's very kind of very pragmatic very very very the enemy is the enemy who have to the enemy is the enemy who have to the enemy is the enemy who have to destroy the enemy and saying like destroy the enemy and saying like destroy the enemy and saying like there's no compassion towards the enemy there's no compassion towards the enemy there's no compassion towards the enemy they're not they're not human they're they're not they're not human they're they're not they're not human they're less than human less than human less than human but she said there was there was a but she said there was there was a but she said there was there was a moment when moment when moment when she remembers an enemy soldier she remembers an enemy soldier she remembers an enemy soldier in a tank in a tank in a tank took a risk to save a fellow soldier took a risk to save a fellow soldier took a risk to save a fellow soldier and that risk was really stupid because and that risk was really stupid because and that risk was really stupid because he was facing he was going to get he was facing he was going to get he was facing he was going to get destroyed destroyed destroyed and then she she said that um she tried to shoot a rocket at that um she tried to shoot a rocket at that tank and she missed tank and she missed tank and she missed and then she later went home and she and then she later went home and she and then she later went home and she couldn't sleep that she missed how could couldn't sleep that she missed how could couldn't sleep that she missed how could she screw that up she screw that up she screw that up but then she realized that but then she realized that but then she realized that actually actually actually she missed maybe she missed on purpose she missed maybe she missed on purpose she missed maybe she missed on purpose yeah yeah yeah because because because she realized that that man she realized that that man she realized that that man just like she is just like she is just like she is was a hero was a hero was a hero just like she strives to be just like she strives to be just like she strives to be they were both heroes defending their they were both heroes defending their they were both heroes defending their own own own and in that way he was just like her she and in that way he was just like her she and in that way he was just like her she was like that's the only time i remember was like that's the only time i remember was like that's the only time i remember during this war ever feeling during this war ever feeling during this war ever feeling like this is another human being but like this is another human being but like this is another human being but that was a very brief moment yeah that was a very brief moment yeah that was a very brief moment yeah and i just hear that over and over and and i just hear that over and over and and i just hear that over and over and over again these romantic notions we over again these romantic notions we over again these romantic notions we have

have have of of of we're one we're one we're one that we're all just human that we're all just human that we're all just human unfortunately during war unfortunately during war unfortunately during war those notions are rare those notions are rare those notions are rare and it's quite sad and worn in a certain and it's quite sad and worn in a certain and it's quite sad and worn in a certain way really destroys those notions and way really destroys those notions and way really destroys those notions and one of the saddest things one of the saddest things one of the saddest things is it just it destroys it is it just it destroys it is it just it destroys it at least from what i see at least from what i see at least from what i see potentially for generations oh yeah not potentially for generations oh yeah not potentially for generations oh yeah not just for those people for the rest of just for those people for the rest of just for those people for the rest of their life but for their life but for their life but for their children their children's children their children their children's children their children their children's children the hatred the hatred the hatred i mean i asked that question of i mean i asked that question of i mean i asked that question of basically everyone which is um basically everyone which is um basically everyone which is um will you ever forgive for asking of will you ever forgive for asking of will you ever forgive for asking of ukrainians will you ever forgive the ukrainians will you ever forgive the ukrainians will you ever forgive the russians russians russians will um do you have hate in your heart will um do you have hate in your heart will um do you have hate in your heart towards the russians towards the russians towards the russians or do you have or do you have or do you have love love love for a fellow human being for a fellow human being for a fellow human being and and and there's different there's different there's different ways that people struggle with that ways that people struggle with that ways that people struggle with that different people they saw that different people they saw that different people they saw that they they saw the love they saw the hate they they saw the love they saw the hate they they saw the love they saw the hate with their known heart with their known heart with their known heart and they struggle with the hate they and they struggle with the hate they and they struggle with the hate they have and they know they can overcome it have and they know they can overcome it have and they know they can overcome it in a period of weeks and months after in a period of weeks and months after in a period of weeks and months after the war is over but some people said no the war is over but some people said no the war is over but some people said no this hate that was this hate that was this hate that was that showed up in in february when the that showed up in in february when the that showed up in in february when the war started will be with me forever well war started will be with me forever well war started will be with me forever well yeah their kids got killed yeah their kids got killed yeah their kids got killed what the fuck you gonna do about that what the fuck you gonna do about that what the fuck you gonna do about that like i don't care i don't i've got you like i don't care i don't i've got you like i don't care i don't i've got you know i've got aphorisms and cute little know i've got aphorisms and cute little know i've got aphorisms and cute little stories about you know you're still in stories about you know you're still in stories about you know you're still in prison if you hate your former captors prison if you hate your former captors prison if you hate your former captors but man i gotta tell you but man i gotta tell you but man i gotta tell you if somebody hurt my kids

if somebody hurt my kids if somebody hurt my kids i'm not coming back i mean i'm not coming back i mean i'm not coming back i mean there's no amount there's no amount there's no amount at least right now in my approximation at least right now in my approximation at least right now in my approximation of spiritual literature of spiritual literature of spiritual literature meditation or anything that i can really meditation or anything that i can really meditation or anything that i can really think of that is going to think of that is going to think of that is going to give me that kind of space like i i like give me that kind of space like i i like give me that kind of space like i i like i think i imagine in the same way like i think i imagine in the same way like i think i imagine in the same way like uh uh uh i imagine i could probably run a i imagine i could probably run a i imagine i could probably run a marathon eventually but do i think i marathon eventually but do i think i marathon eventually but do i think i don't think i'm ever going to do that don't think i'm ever going to do that don't think i'm ever going to do that that times a million so man that times a million so man that times a million so man you know all we can do is have you know all we can do is have you know all we can do is have compassion for their hate because it's compassion for their hate because it's compassion for their hate because it's like like like what are you gonna tell what are you what are you gonna tell what are you what are you gonna tell what are you gonna say what are you gonna say to gonna say what are you gonna say to gonna say what are you gonna say to someone like that oh someone like that oh someone like that oh oh you know oh you know oh you know for the sake of humanity for the sake of humanity for the sake of humanity let it go it was just your kids it was let it go it was just your kids it was let it go it was just your kids it was just something you loved more than just something you loved more than just something you loved more than anything in the world you'll never be anything in the world you'll never be anything in the world you'll never be okay again you'd have nightmares for the okay again you'd have nightmares for the okay again you'd have nightmares for the rest of your life rest of your life rest of your life but you should forgive but you should forgive but you should forgive no well there is truth in the fact that no well there is truth in the fact that no well there is truth in the fact that forgiveness is the way to let go right forgiveness is the way to let go right forgiveness is the way to let go right but that truth is not that you uh fuck you right this is um which is uh fuck you right this is um which is why it's not your job to say that you why it's not your job to say that you why it's not your job to say that you know and i'm not that you're doing that know and i'm not that you're doing that know and i'm not that you're doing that i know you're not but you know the i know you're not but you know the i know you're not but you know the problem with people like me problem with people like me problem with people like me early phase you could get this stupid early phase you could get this stupid early phase you could get this stupid missionary thing going where you like missionary thing going where you like missionary thing going where you like start trying to like start trying to like start trying to like uh uh uh i don't know like proselytize ideals i don't know like proselytize ideals i don't know like proselytize ideals that you might be incapable of you know that you might be incapable of you know that you might be incapable of you know and i i just and i i just and i i just hearing it you know i that's the

hearing it you know i that's the hearing it you know i that's the man i saw this uh man i saw this uh man i saw this uh the thing that like i mean i've seen a the thing that like i mean i've seen a the thing that like i mean i've seen a lot all of us have by now probably if or lot all of us have by now probably if or lot all of us have by now probably if or online i've seen and you just saw it in online i've seen and you just saw it in online i've seen and you just saw it in person like we've seen things that are person like we've seen things that are person like we've seen things that are just just just horrific horrific horrific but as a dad but as a dad but as a dad man i just saw this clip of this kid man i just saw this clip of this kid man i just saw this clip of this kid around the age of my kid around the age of my kid around the age of my kid walking walking walking by himself these refugees just walking by himself these refugees just walking by himself these refugees just walking by himself by himself by himself chron the look on his face i can't chron the look on his face i can't chron the look on his face i can't explain the look on his face explain the look on his face explain the look on his face i don't know what happened to his i don't know what happened to his i don't know what happened to his parents i don't know what happened like parents i don't know what happened like parents i don't know what happened like i i i it was so upsetting i like even thinking it was so upsetting i like even thinking it was so upsetting i like even thinking about now it's just like fuck that could about now it's just like fuck that could about now it's just like fuck that could have been my kid that could have been my have been my kid that could have been my have been my kid that could have been my kid you know so kid you know so kid you know so knowing that kind that knowing that kind that knowing that kind that that kid's got to grow up that kid's got to grow up that kid's got to grow up now that and i don't know does it is the now that and i don't know does it is the now that and i don't know does it is the kids parents still there and that's just kids parents still there and that's just kids parents still there and that's just one one one of of of countless countless countless orphans out there now so what you have orphans out there now so what you have orphans out there now so what you have this this this hate and the question is how to direct hate and the question is how to direct hate and the question is how to direct it it it because the choice is you can direct it because the choice is you can direct it because the choice is you can direct it towards the politicians that started the towards the politicians that started the towards the politicians that started the war war war you can direct it towards the soldiers you can direct it towards the soldiers you can direct it towards the soldiers that are doing the killing or you can that are doing the killing or you can that are doing the killing or you can direct it towards an entire group of direct it towards an entire group of direct it towards an entire group of people people people and that's the struggle because hate and that's the struggle because hate and that's the struggle because hate slowly grows to where you don't just slowly grows to where you don't just slowly grows to where you don't just hate hate hate the soldiers you don't just hate the soldiers you don't just hate the soldiers you don't just hate the the leaders the the leaders the the leaders you hate all russians you hate all russians you hate all russians because they're all equally evil because

because they're all equally evil because because they're all equally evil because the ones that aren't doing the fighting the ones that aren't doing the fighting the ones that aren't doing the fighting are staying quiet are staying quiet are staying quiet and i'm sure the same kind of stories and i'm sure the same kind of stories and i'm sure the same kind of stories are happening on the other side are happening on the other side are happening on the other side and so and so and so there is there is there is that hate that hate that hate is uh one is uh one is uh one that that that is is deeply human is is deeply human is is deeply human but you wonder but you wonder but you wonder for your own future for your own home for your own future for your own home for your own future for your own home for building your own community for for building your own community for for building your own community for building your own country building your own country building your own country how does that hate morph over the how does that hate morph over the how does that hate morph over the weeks and months and years weeks and months and years weeks and months and years not into forgiveness but into something not into forgiveness but into something not into forgiveness but into something that's productive that doesn't destroy that's productive that doesn't destroy that's productive that doesn't destroy you because hate does destroy that's the you because hate does destroy that's the you because hate does destroy that's the dark aspect of uh dark aspect of uh dark aspect of uh you know a rocket that heals hits a you know a rocket that heals hits a you know a rocket that heals hits a building and kills building and kills building and kills hundreds of people the worst effect of that rocket the worst effect of that rocket is is the hate in the hearts of the loved is the hate in the hearts of the loved ones ones ones to the people that were in that building to the people that were in that building to the people that were in that building yes that hate is this is a torture over yes that hate is this is a torture over yes that hate is this is a torture over a period of a period of a period of years after and that it doesn't just years after and that it doesn't just years after and that it doesn't just torture torture torture uh by having that psychological burden uh by having that psychological burden uh by having that psychological burden and trauma it also tortures because it and trauma it also tortures because it and trauma it also tortures because it destroys your life destroys your life destroys your life it prevents you from being able to enjoy it prevents you from being able to enjoy it prevents you from being able to enjoy your life to the to the fullest right it your life to the to the fullest right it your life to the to the fullest right it prevents you from prevents you from prevents you from being able to flourish as a human being

being able to flourish as a human being being able to flourish as a human being as a as a professional as a you know as a as a professional as a you know as a as a professional as a you know in all those kinds of ways that humans in all those kinds of ways that humans in all those kinds of ways that humans can flourish and can flourish and can flourish and i i don't know and it's such a um you i i don't know and it's such a um you i i don't know and it's such a um you know there is there is a know there is there is a know there is there is a there is an aspect where this naive there is an aspect where this naive there is an aspect where this naive notion notion notion is really powerful that love and is really powerful that love and is really powerful that love and forgiveness is the thing yeah that's forgiveness is the thing yeah that's forgiveness is the thing yeah that's needed in this time and and um needed in this time and and um needed in this time and and um when i talk to soldiers they don't when i talk to soldiers they don't when i talk to soldiers they don't you know i remember bringing up to uh to you know i remember bringing up to uh to you know i remember bringing up to uh to jocko jocko jocko is there a sense where the people you're is there a sense where the people you're is there a sense where the people you're fighting are just brothers in arms fighting are just brothers in arms fighting are just brothers in arms bringing up the dire straight song bringing up the dire straight song bringing up the dire straight song brothers in arms brothers in arms brothers in arms and he was basically without swearing and he was basically without swearing and he was basically without swearing saying fuck that that they're the enemy saying fuck that that they're the enemy saying fuck that that they're the enemy yeah i mean he's literally in survival yeah i mean he's literally in survival yeah i mean he's literally in survival mode yeah he can't think like that it's mode yeah he can't think like that it's mode yeah he can't think like that it's going to create latency in the system going to create latency in the system going to create latency in the system and that's going to lower survivability and that's going to lower survivability and that's going to lower survivability you can't think that i mean we're you can't think that i mean we're you can't think that i mean we're talking about like cognitively you can't talking about like cognitively you can't talking about like cognitively you can't have latency like if you're that one have latency like if you're that one have latency like if you're that one moment of hesitation like you see it moment of hesitation like you see it moment of hesitation like you see it sometimes like in these youtube videos sometimes like in these youtube videos sometimes like in these youtube videos of uh of uh of uh like um like um like um somebody somebody somebody a a a new cop a a a new cop a a a new cop has has has been unfortunate enough to run into been unfortunate enough to run into been unfortunate enough to run into something that is a phenomena suicide by something that is a phenomena suicide by something that is a phenomena suicide by cop cop cop somebody has a knife and that person is somebody has a knife and that person is somebody has a knife and that person is running towards them with a knife and running towards them with a knife and running towards them with a knife and they're begging the person to stop that they're begging the person to stop that they're begging the person to stop that you can hear it in their voice they're you can hear it in their voice they're you can hear it in their voice they're begging stop stop stop stop and the begging stop stop stop stop and the begging stop stop stop stop and the person is not going to stop person is not going to stop person is not going to stop so

so so the critique of that the critique of that the critique of that is that is that is that that that that latency latency latency could potentially not just lead to the could potentially not just lead to the could potentially not just lead to the cop getting cop getting cop getting killed but to that person killed but to that person killed but to that person with a knife killing other people and so with a knife killing other people and so with a knife killing other people and so you know you know you know i get i i if i were out there i think i get i i if i were out there i think i get i i if i were out there i think that like that like that like you you you you want you probably just as a matter you want you probably just as a matter you want you probably just as a matter of like of like of like not getting shot and being fully in the not getting shot and being fully in the not getting shot and being fully in the moment you have to be like that i would moment you have to be like that i would moment you have to be like that i would guess i don't know i don't know i'm the guess i don't know i don't know i'm the guess i don't know i don't know i'm the furthest thing from a soldier there furthest thing from a soldier there furthest thing from a soldier there could be but could be but could be but there's a something jack cornfield this great something jack cornfield this great buddhist teacher says which is buddhist teacher says which is buddhist teacher says which is tend to the part of the garden you can tend to the part of the garden you can tend to the part of the garden you can touch touch touch meaning this is where we're at right now meaning this is where we're at right now meaning this is where we're at right now thank god you and i thank god you and i thank god you and i though we are experiencing some like though we are experiencing some like though we are experiencing some like ripples from what's going on over there ripples from what's going on over there ripples from what's going on over there everyone is everyone is everyone is we're not there and thank god we don't we're not there and thank god we don't we're not there and thank god we don't have to come up with the have to come up with the have to come up with the psychological psychological psychological program for program for program for people going through that to no longer people going through that to no longer people going through that to no longer be encumbered by that hate thank god and be encumbered by that hate thank god and be encumbered by that hate thank god and i don't know if that's just lazy or i don't know if that's just lazy or i don't know if that's just lazy or whatever but it's like you know for me i whatever but it's like you know for me i whatever but it's like you know for me i just i have to bring it back to all just i have to bring it back to all just i have to bring it back to all right well here's where i'm at now right well here's where i'm at now right well here's where i'm at now and and and uh uh uh i i don't i like i don't want there to i i don't i like i don't want there to i i don't i like i don't want there to be war be war be war i don't want to hurt people but yeah i i don't want to hurt people but yeah i i don't want to hurt people but yeah i love what you said i think what you said love what you said i think what you said love what you said i think what you said is the is the is the if anything is the most intelligent way of looking at it it's

intelligent way of looking at it it's like don't pretend that you're not gonna like don't pretend that you're not gonna like don't pretend that you're not gonna feel that hate like feel that hate like feel that hate like you're gonna feel it there's no way you're gonna feel it there's no way you're gonna feel it there's no way around or like because that's even worse around or like because that's even worse around or like because that's even worse because then you're almost saying like because then you're almost saying like because then you're almost saying like something's wrong with them for feeling something's wrong with them for feeling something's wrong with them for feeling the hate or you know whatever but more the hate or you know whatever but more the hate or you know whatever but more along the lines if you can avoid along the lines if you can avoid along the lines if you can avoid applying that hate applying that hate applying that hate to to to an entire country of people an entire country of people an entire country of people then then then do that like just understand we're do that like just understand we're do that like just understand we're talking about like uh not everybody i know it's not everybody not everybody i know it's not everybody i know it's not everybody it's just i know it's not everybody it's just i know it's not everybody it's just easier isn't it cognitively it's somehow easier isn't it cognitively it's somehow easier isn't it cognitively it's somehow easier to think easier to think easier to think all russians all russians all russians monsters monsters monsters you know all russians you know all russians you know all russians all whatever the particular like thing all whatever the particular like thing all whatever the particular like thing is that you're supposed to not like it's is that you're supposed to not like it's is that you're supposed to not like it's easier somehow weirdly you'd think easier somehow weirdly you'd think easier somehow weirdly you'd think that'd be more difficult that'd be more difficult that'd be more difficult yeah but yeah but yeah but i guess the lesson is uh i guess the lesson is uh i guess the lesson is uh if you give in to the easy solution if you give in to the easy solution if you give in to the easy solution that's going to uh lead to detrimental that's going to uh lead to detrimental that's going to uh lead to detrimental long-term effects long-term effects long-term effects so yeah hate should be so yeah hate should be so yeah hate should be um it's such a powerful tool um it's such a powerful tool um it's such a powerful tool that you should try to control it that you should try to control it that you should try to control it for for your own sake not because you for for your own sake not because you for for your own sake not because you owe anything to anybody right for your owe anything to anybody right for your owe anything to anybody right for your own right for your own psychological own right for your own psychological own right for your own psychological development over time right right that's development over time right right that's development over time right right that's it it it that's it that's it that's it fuck fuck fuck yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah uh in terms of dark places um you

uh in terms of dark places um you uh in terms of dark places um you suffered from depression suffered from depression suffered from depression war has been some of the darker places war has been some of the darker places war has been some of the darker places you've gone in your in your mind you've gone in your in your mind you've gone in your in your mind you know i needed therapy man i needed you know i needed therapy man i needed you know i needed therapy man i needed therapy for the longest time i just therapy for the longest time i just therapy for the longest time i just didn't get it and i uh didn't get it and i uh didn't get it and i uh so because of that i so because of that i so because of that i uh uh uh i would go through i would go through i would go through like bouts of like like bouts of like like bouts of like paralytic depression paralytic depression paralytic depression like suicidal depression suicidal like suicidal depression suicidal like suicidal depression suicidal ideations that were more than just ideations that were more than just ideations that were more than just ideations i mean i think like people get afraid when the thought of people get afraid when the thought of suicide appears suicide appears suicide appears in their consciousness they get really in their consciousness they get really in their consciousness they get really scared of themselves so they think scared of themselves so they think scared of themselves so they think there's something like there's something like there's something like fuck what's going on with me why would i fuck what's going on with me why would i fuck what's going on with me why would i think that but i think if we are think that but i think if we are think that but i think if we are suffering and you know as a natural part suffering and you know as a natural part suffering and you know as a natural part of not of wanting to reduce suffering or of not of wanting to reduce suffering or of not of wanting to reduce suffering or not feel bad anymore not feel bad anymore not feel bad anymore i mean i mean i mean suicide is going to be a not like if suicide is going to be a not like if suicide is going to be a not like if we're just you know you're just looking we're just you know you're just looking we're just you know you're just looking what are all the options let's what are all the options let's what are all the options let's brainstorm here brainstorm here brainstorm here you know what i mean i can start you know what i mean i can start you know what i mean i can start drinking more water drinking more water drinking more water i can start jogging get some therapy i can start jogging get some therapy i can start jogging get some therapy call my friends all the stuff we all call my friends all the stuff we all call my friends all the stuff we all hear or i could just hear or i could just hear or i could just i think the height of my apartment i think the height of my apartment i think the height of my apartment building is probably the definitely the building is probably the definitely the building is probably the definitely the right height to kill myself and then you right height to kill myself and then you right height to kill myself and then you and then and then and then so where so where so where for me like the few times where the for me like the few times where the for me like the few times where the ideation has gone towards like well when would i do that well when would i do that how do i what you know what do i need to how do i what you know what do i need to how do i what you know what do i need to like like like accomplish that when then like that's accomplish that when then like that's accomplish that when then like that's where it gets really fucking scary where it gets really fucking scary where it gets really fucking scary that's where it's like terrifying so you

that's where it's like terrifying so you that's where it's like terrifying so you start the actual start the actual start the actual details of the planning of how to commit details of the planning of how to commit details of the planning of how to commit suicide yeah suicide yeah suicide yeah what's going to be the least painful way what's going to be the least painful way what's going to be the least painful way to do it what's going to be the most to do it what's going to be the most to do it what's going to be the most instantaneous way to do it what's the instantaneous way to do it what's the instantaneous way to do it what's the you know and with you know with you know and with you know with you know and with you know with depression because it it can be depression because it it can be depression because it it can be progressive progressive progressive you know this is why you know this is why you know this is why you have to really just stay on top of you have to really just stay on top of you have to really just stay on top of anyone who's gone through depression anyone who's gone through depression anyone who's gone through depression knows what i'm talking about you got to knows what i'm talking about you got to knows what i'm talking about you got to stay on top of it like you might need stay on top of it like you might need stay on top of it like you might need medication you know i know this is medication you know i know this is medication you know i know this is controversial now but it's still better controversial now but it's still better controversial now but it's still better than dying if you ask me but at some than dying if you ask me but at some than dying if you ask me but at some point with depression point with depression point with depression it like becomes paralyzing so you don't it like becomes paralyzing so you don't it like becomes paralyzing so you don't want to get out of bed anymore and want to get out of bed anymore and want to get out of bed anymore and you're not taking showers anymore and you're not taking showers anymore and you're not taking showers anymore and you don't want to talk to anybody you don't want to talk to anybody you don't want to talk to anybody anymore and you're not answering your anymore and you're not answering your anymore and you're not answering your phone anymore and phone anymore and phone anymore and you know you know you know so like in a dark place that you might so like in a dark place that you might so like in a dark place that you might be in be in be in it still might get worse so you should it still might get worse so you should it still might get worse so you should really yes do everything you can really yes do everything you can really yes do everything you can to immediately control you and that's to immediately control you and that's to immediately control you and that's the problem with that specific the problem with that specific the problem with that specific psychological disorder psychological disorder psychological disorder that's the problem because it the things that's the problem because it the things that's the problem because it the things it's like if you start listening to what it's like if you start listening to what it's like if you start listening to what you wanted you think it's you it's the you wanted you think it's you it's the you wanted you think it's you it's the depression you start listening to it depression you start listening to it depression you start listening to it it wants you to stay in bed it's and it wants you to stay in bed it's and it wants you to stay in bed it's and then you're getting those fucking then you're getting those fucking then you're getting those fucking depression sleeps depression sleeps depression sleeps you know or you wake up and you're more you know or you wake up and you're more you know or you wake up and you're more tired like it's not working you're tired like it's not working you're tired like it's not working you're trying to escape reality by sleeping and trying to escape reality by sleeping and trying to escape reality by sleeping and and and so and and so and and so yeah like you have to like yeah like you have to like yeah like you have to like you're it's you're fighting for your you're it's you're fighting for your you're it's you're fighting for your you're literally fighting for your life you're literally fighting for your life you're literally fighting for your life it might not seem like that because you it might not seem like that because you it might not seem like that because you can't if you could see depression if you can't if you could see depression if you can't if you could see depression if you could see it if you knew you had some

could see it if you knew you had some could see it if you knew you had some inky inky inky vaporous vaporous vaporous octopus thing that was just wrapping octopus thing that was just wrapping octopus thing that was just wrapping around you more and more and more and around you more and more and more and around you more and more and more and more you would probably do everything more you would probably do everything more you would probably do everything you could to rip that fucking thing off you could to rip that fucking thing off you could to rip that fucking thing off your body and if you couldn't get it off your body and if you couldn't get it off your body and if you couldn't get it off your body you would your body you would your body you would be calling people to get help so it be calling people to get help so it be calling people to get help so it doesn't feel like a fight because you're doesn't feel like a fight because you're doesn't feel like a fight because you're exhausted there's no reason to move exhausted there's no reason to move exhausted there's no reason to move there's no you don't see the meaning for there's no you don't see the meaning for there's no you don't see the meaning for any of it so it doesn't feel like a any of it so it doesn't feel like a any of it so it doesn't feel like a battle but it is a battle you're not battle but it is a battle you're not battle but it is a battle you're not feeling i mean that's the other thing feeling i mean that's the other thing feeling i mean that's the other thing you're just you're basically not feeling you're just you're basically not feeling you're just you're basically not feeling you're like you you start going numb at you're like you you start going numb at you're like you you start going numb at least that was my experience with it least that was my experience with it least that was my experience with it numb and tired and then numb and tired and then numb and tired and then increasingly numb and tired and then increasingly numb and tired and then increasingly numb and tired and then increasingly sort of disconnecting from increasingly sort of disconnecting from increasingly sort of disconnecting from reality and then somewhere in there reality and then somewhere in there reality and then somewhere in there that's when you start playing around that's when you start playing around that's when you start playing around with the idea with the idea with the idea of like i don't know if it's worth it i of like i don't know if it's worth it i of like i don't know if it's worth it i don't know now you know i think compared don't know now you know i think compared don't know now you know i think compared to some of my friends who haven't to some of my friends who haven't to some of my friends who haven't survived obviously who haven't survived survived obviously who haven't survived survived obviously who haven't survived depression like mine was definitely not depression like mine was definitely not depression like mine was definitely not whatever theirs was like it i've heard whatever theirs was like it i've heard whatever theirs was like it i've heard uh uh uh i mean to understand it for folks out i mean to understand it for folks out i mean to understand it for folks out there maybe you haven't gone through it there maybe you haven't gone through it there maybe you haven't gone through it just imagine just imagine just imagine if like how bad you have to feel if if like how bad you have to feel if if like how bad you have to feel if death is the salute like death is the salute like death is the salute like like violence against yourself so that like violence against yourself so that like violence against yourself so that you die is the solution like just it flies in the face of everything it flies in the face of everything so i i would yeah that was definitely so i i would yeah that was definitely so i i would yeah that was definitely the darkest the darkest the darkest place that i've ever been is it just place that i've ever been is it just place that i've ever been is it just that death doesn't seem like that death doesn't seem like that death doesn't seem like because you don't care about anything because you don't care about anything because you don't care about anything anymore that death just doesn't seem

anymore that death just doesn't seem anymore that death just doesn't seem like that bad yeah like that bad yeah like that bad yeah um um um like you're not able to appropriately like you're not able to appropriately like you're not able to appropriately assign assign assign the negative cost to this the solution the negative cost to this the solution the negative cost to this the solution right just seems like a reasonable right just seems like a reasonable right just seems like a reasonable solution yeah and but in in in and but i solution yeah and but in in in and but i solution yeah and but in in in and but i think also what's going along with it is think also what's going along with it is think also what's going along with it is like like like it's not like your your brain isn't it's not like your your brain isn't it's not like your your brain isn't working like you're you're you're not working like you're you're you're not working like you're you're you're not thinking you're obviously you're not thinking you're obviously you're not thinking you're obviously you're not thinking clearly like thinking clearly like thinking clearly like at least again this is was my experience at least again this is was my experience at least again this is was my experience of it it's a fog you're in some kind of of it it's a fog you're in some kind of of it it's a fog you're in some kind of like you're confused there's confusion like you're confused there's confusion like you're confused there's confusion there's shame there's shame there's shame you feel embarrassed you feel you feel embarrassed you feel you feel embarrassed you feel embarrassed you want to get out of bed embarrassed you want to get out of bed embarrassed you want to get out of bed you want to do stuff you want to be you want to do stuff you want to be you want to do stuff you want to be compelled to be social and do all this compelled to be social and do all this compelled to be social and do all this stuff but you're not you're not and like stuff but you're not you're not and like stuff but you're not you're not and like you seem if people don't know what's you seem if people don't know what's you seem if people don't know what's going on and you're not telling them going on and you're not telling them going on and you're not telling them because you're embarrassed because you're embarrassed because you're embarrassed because you you want like you want to because you you want like you want to because you you want like you want to have some like have some like have some like you know you know you know uncorrupted uncorrupted uncorrupted un un un warped psyche warped psyche warped psyche you know you're like it invites you to you know you're like it invites you to you know you're like it invites you to be secret about it that's one of its be secret about it that's one of its be secret about it that's one of its first tricks is it tells you not to tell first tricks is it tells you not to tell first tricks is it tells you not to tell anybody and and that's deadly with in in anybody and and that's deadly with in in anybody and and that's deadly with in in that case is deadly what was the source that case is deadly what was the source that case is deadly what was the source of light what was the of light what was the of light what was the what were for you what were for you what were for you and in general the ways out and in general the ways out and in general the ways out yeah yeah yeah so for me i've had their their the so for me i've had their their the so for me i've had their their the solutions and again man for my depressed solutions and again man for my depressed solutions and again man for my depressed friends out there please don't get mad friends out there please don't get mad friends out there please don't get mad at me i'm not doing the thing i'm like at me i'm not doing the thing i'm like at me i'm not doing the thing i'm like just put on a smile or any of that

just put on a smile or any of that just put on a smile or any of that bullshit because it doesn't feel like bullshit because it doesn't feel like bullshit because it doesn't feel like that when when when you're like in the that when when when you're like in the that when when when you're like in the and when you're fighting it it's and when you're fighting it it's and when you're fighting it it's it's like you are it's like you are it's like you are you're in a uh you're in a uh you're in a uh i don't know why i'm keep i keep using i don't know why i'm keep i keep using i don't know why i'm keep i keep using stupid gravity analogies but it's like stupid gravity analogies but it's like stupid gravity analogies but it's like the gravity's been turned up on your the gravity's been turned up on your the gravity's been turned up on your planet in every single way by so getting planet in every single way by so getting planet in every single way by so getting out of bed you know like out of bed you know like out of bed you know like by the way gravity and quantum mechanics by the way gravity and quantum mechanics by the way gravity and quantum mechanics one of the most beautiful things about one of the most beautiful things about one of the most beautiful things about our reality what the hell is each of our reality what the hell is each of our reality what the hell is each of those things right so right this isn't those things right so right this isn't those things right so right this isn't you're not just talking about happy you're not just talking about happy you're not just talking about happy language it's still language it's still language it's still physicists pretend they understand physicists pretend they understand physicists pretend they understand something we're still at the very something we're still at the very something we're still at the very beginning understanding this mysterious beginning understanding this mysterious beginning understanding this mysterious world of ours that seems to be world of ours that seems to be world of ours that seems to be functioning according to these functioning according to these functioning according to these weirdly simple weirdly simple weirdly simple and yet universally powerful laws and yet universally powerful laws and yet universally powerful laws which we don't fully yet understand which we don't fully yet understand which we don't fully yet understand so um please the metaphor and the so um please the metaphor and the so um please the metaphor and the analogy of gravity okay thank you fully analogy of gravity okay thank you fully analogy of gravity okay thank you fully fully applicable i don't know any other fully applicable i don't know any other fully applicable i don't know any other way to put it then it's like somebody way to put it then it's like somebody way to put it then it's like somebody turned the gravitational field of your turned the gravitational field of your turned the gravitational field of your mattress up so everything is heavy heavy mattress up so everything is heavy heavy mattress up so everything is heavy heavy your body's heavy you don't want to get your body's heavy you don't want to get your body's heavy you don't want to get out of bed you will consider shitting or out of bed you will consider shitting or out of bed you will consider shitting or pissing the bed because you're just like pissing the bed because you're just like pissing the bed because you're just like who gives a fuck i'll just lay in my who gives a fuck i'll just lay in my who gives a fuck i'll just lay in my shit and piss you're dying you're like shit and piss you're dying you're like shit and piss you're dying you're like you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're it's none of it makes sense so it's none of it makes sense so it's none of it makes sense so um and i feel like in retrospect i'm making and i feel like in retrospect i'm making what i what i've done a little like i

what i what i've done a little like i what i what i've done a little like i had more lucidity it was more of like a had more lucidity it was more of like a had more lucidity it was more of like a when you're when you're when you're uh right you know you're wrestling with uh right you know you're wrestling with uh right you know you're wrestling with someone and you're just like well you do someone and you're just like well you do someone and you're just like well you do yes it's different for you but for me if yes it's different for you but for me if yes it's different for you but for me if i'm wrestling i'm not thinking about jiu i'm wrestling i'm not thinking about jiu i'm wrestling i'm not thinking about jiu jitsu moves i'm like survival jitsu moves i'm like survival jitsu moves i'm like survival so it's like that it is a struggle so it's like that it is a struggle so it's like that it is a struggle like it's like uh you really like it's like uh you really like it's like uh you really have to deliberately have to deliberately have to deliberately yeah fight everything so yeah fight everything so yeah fight everything so you you you start so you can almost have a start so you can almost have a start so you can almost have a conversation with the depression conversation with the depression conversation with the depression and then what you do is you start doing and then what you do is you start doing and then what you do is you start doing the opposite the opposite the opposite of everything it's telling you to do of everything it's telling you to do of everything it's telling you to do so it's telling you so it's telling you so it's telling you lay in bed lay in bed lay in bed so you get out of bed so you get out of bed so you get out of bed it's definitely telling you don't it's definitely telling you don't it's definitely telling you don't fucking exercise you're gonna go fucking fucking exercise you're gonna go fucking fucking exercise you're gonna go fucking exercise that's not gonna do anything exercise that's not gonna do anything exercise that's not gonna do anything you can't you probably have a heart you can't you probably have a heart you can't you probably have a heart attack you really want to go outside attack you really want to go outside attack you really want to go outside don't don't don't go fucking exercise and it'll feel go fucking exercise and it'll feel go fucking exercise and it'll feel crazy and you won't want to do it if you crazy and you won't want to do it if you crazy and you won't want to do it if you wanted to do it you wouldn't be wanted to do it you wouldn't be wanted to do it you wouldn't be depressed like how often do you hear depressed like how often do you hear depressed like how often do you hear like one of the symptoms of depression like one of the symptoms of depression like one of the symptoms of depression you want to jog you want to get on a you want to jog you want to get on a you want to jog you want to get on a bike you know you don't hear that that's bike you know you don't hear that that's bike you know you don't hear that that's not a symptom so you start not a symptom so you start not a symptom so you start at least at least at least one one solution i one one solution i one one solution i started doing the opposite of whatever started doing the opposite of whatever started doing the opposite of whatever the voice is telling you do the opposite the voice is telling you do the opposite the voice is telling you do the opposite that and then suddenly that those the gravitational suddenly that those the gravitational field field field diminishes a little bit it doesn't go diminishes a little bit it doesn't go diminishes a little bit it doesn't go all the way away and that's where you all the way away and that's where you all the way away and that's where you can fall right back into it because you can fall right back into it because you can fall right back into it because you just feel even slightly better you're

just feel even slightly better you're just feel even slightly better you're like oh okay i fixed it you know really like oh okay i fixed it you know really like oh okay i fixed it you know really i think if you like in i think if you like in i think if you like in having been through therapy having been through therapy having been through therapy the the the the the the best solution would be best solution would be best solution would be go to a fucking therapist go to a fucking therapist go to a fucking therapist as quickly as you can as quickly as you can as quickly as you can just sit down with him and tell him just sit down with him and tell him just sit down with him and tell him what's going on what's going on what's going on i know what you're thinking how am i i know what you're thinking how am i i know what you're thinking how am i gonna find a therapist just gonna find a therapist just gonna find a therapist just do it google it go on yelp all this shit do it google it go on yelp all this shit do it google it go on yelp all this shit feels feels feels impossible you're like i don't want to impossible you're like i don't want to impossible you're like i don't want to turn on the computer i don't do any of turn on the computer i don't do any of turn on the computer i don't do any of this you just have to you have to you do this you just have to you have to you do this you just have to you have to you do it if you're on fire you do it if you're it if you're on fire you do it if you're it if you're on fire you do it if you're on fire and someone's like you know on fire and someone's like you know on fire and someone's like you know here's a way to not be on fire just this here's a way to not be on fire just this here's a way to not be on fire just this particular fire is particular fire is particular fire is it doesn't make you want to run around it doesn't make you want to run around it doesn't make you want to run around screaming it just makes you want to fall screaming it just makes you want to fall screaming it just makes you want to fall asleep forever and that but those asleep forever and that but those asleep forever and that but those little steps little steps little steps i got lucky because it worked it worked i got lucky because it worked it worked i got lucky because it worked it worked i started exercising i'd been on i started exercising i'd been on i started exercising i'd been on antidepressants before antidepressants before antidepressants before when i was originally diagnosed with it when i was originally diagnosed with it when i was originally diagnosed with it and and and it does help it does help it does help you know i even with all the current you know i even with all the current you know i even with all the current research coming out about research coming out about research coming out about that maybe we were all wrong about our that maybe we were all wrong about our that maybe we were all wrong about our understanding of depression i do feel understanding of depression i do feel understanding of depression i do feel like like like it helped in a certain way like it it helped in a certain way like it it helped in a certain way like it definitely definitely definitely it definitely like made me stop thinking it definitely like made me stop thinking it definitely like made me stop thinking about it stop the intrusive thoughts and about it stop the intrusive thoughts and about it stop the intrusive thoughts and but i don't know how much of that was but i don't know how much of that was but i don't know how much of that was placebo or how much of that i don't know placebo or how much of that i don't know placebo or how much of that i don't know but then also like i couldn't come but then also like i couldn't come but then also like i couldn't come anymore that was the other fucked up anymore that was the other fucked up anymore that was the other fucked up thing like you're you can't have orgasms thing like you're you can't have orgasms thing like you're you can't have orgasms and um and um and um which might not sound like a big deal

which might not sound like a big deal which might not sound like a big deal but but but um um um you know when i told my therapist that you know when i told my therapist that you know when i told my therapist that they actually took me off him because i they actually took me off him because i they actually took me off him because i think she was realizing think she was realizing think she was realizing that it started diminishing a little bit that it started diminishing a little bit that it started diminishing a little bit but but but the one i'm talking about now that the one i'm talking about now that the one i'm talking about now that whatever episode or whatever you want to whatever episode or whatever you want to whatever episode or whatever you want to call it i just got lucky because it call it i just got lucky because it call it i just got lucky because it worked it worked and i started feeling worked it worked and i started feeling worked it worked and i started feeling better thank god now if you suffer from better thank god now if you suffer from better thank god now if you suffer from depression out there and you've had a depression out there and you've had a depression out there and you've had a remission of the depression you know remission of the depression you know remission of the depression you know it's it's really like it's scary to have it's it's really like it's scary to have it's it's really like it's scary to have mental illness because mental illness because mental illness because um um um everyone gets bummed out i mean that's everyone gets bummed out i mean that's everyone gets bummed out i mean that's just normal like you're going to get just normal like you're going to get just normal like you're going to get bummed out and i want to do anything bummed out and i want to do anything bummed out and i want to do anything sometimes it doesn't mean you have a sometimes it doesn't mean you have a sometimes it doesn't mean you have a clinical depression you might just be clinical depression you might just be clinical depression you might just be bummed out or grieving you might be any bummed out or grieving you might be any bummed out or grieving you might be any number of things but when number of things but when number of things but when i when i get really nervous i when i get really nervous i when i get really nervous if some of those symptoms start if some of those symptoms start if some of those symptoms start showing up and showing up and showing up and um um um at one point i felt like that was at one point i felt like that was at one point i felt like that was happening again happening again happening again and i did and i did and i did inter-muscular ketamine therapy inter-muscular ketamine therapy inter-muscular ketamine therapy which which which now that was the damnedest thing now that was the damnedest thing now that was the damnedest thing i've ever experienced aside from the i've ever experienced aside from the i've ever experienced aside from the fact that ketamine is fact that ketamine is fact that ketamine is immensely psychedelic immensely psychedelic immensely psychedelic the i i just remember going back to the i i just remember going back to the hotel after the hotel after the hotel after the experience with a clinician and um experience with a clinician and um experience with a clinician and um like you know it's like like you know it's like like you know it's like with depression it's like a headache with depression it's like a headache with depression it's like a headache that starts coming on but you're like that starts coming on but you're like that starts coming on but you're like this headache might last for years it this headache might last for years it this headache might last for years it might last for six months it might get

might last for six months it might get might last for six months it might get worse and worse and worse and so worse and worse and worse and so worse and worse and worse and so i went back to the hotel room i went back to the hotel room i went back to the hotel room and it was just and it was just and it was just gone like i just felt normal i felt i gone like i just felt normal i felt i gone like i just felt normal i felt i felt great it was like felt great it was like felt great it was like the most remarkable thing ever so you the most remarkable thing ever so you the most remarkable thing ever so you know look at the research on ketamine know look at the research on ketamine know look at the research on ketamine right now it's like it's it's not like right now it's like it's it's not like right now it's like it's it's not like bullshit it's not like woo science bullshit it's not like woo science bullshit it's not like woo science there's really really good data out there's really really good data out there's really really good data out there showing that something like there showing that something like there showing that something like i think it's 60 i think it's 60 i think it's 60 i don't know what the percentage is but i don't know what the percentage is but i don't know what the percentage is but percent of people with percent of people with percent of people with uh depress and endogenous depression uh depress and endogenous depression uh depress and endogenous depression when they when they when they get ketamine therapy will experience get ketamine therapy will experience get ketamine therapy will experience remission regardless of whether you trip remission regardless of whether you trip remission regardless of whether you trip out or not it just does it does out or not it just does it does out or not it just does it does something that i don't know if they know something that i don't know if they know something that i don't know if they know what it is yet i don't care if they do what it is yet i don't care if they do what it is yet i don't care if they do but but that one thing worked and but but that one thing worked and but but that one thing worked and basically you keep fighting until basically you keep fighting until basically you keep fighting until something works something works something works exactly it's a survival issue and it's a exactly it's a survival issue and it's a exactly it's a survival issue and it's a survival issue it's just i think because survival issue it's just i think because survival issue it's just i think because it's kind of so slow-moving you might it's kind of so slow-moving you might it's kind of so slow-moving you might even forget it's progressive even forget it's progressive even forget it's progressive you or you know you could easily just you or you know you could easily just you or you know you could easily just think that you're just a kind of bummed think that you're just a kind of bummed think that you're just a kind of bummed out person or you start thinking that out person or you start thinking that out person or you start thinking that these aspects of your these aspects of your these aspects of your psychology are permanent when they don't psychology are permanent when they don't psychology are permanent when they don't have to be have to be have to be what about other people in your life what about other people in your life what about other people in your life what advice would you give to people what advice would you give to people what advice would you give to people that have loved ones who suffer from that have loved ones who suffer from that have loved ones who suffer from depression depression depression what are they to do what are they to do what are they to do okay now this is really like man it's really dark man it's really dark here's here's here's number one number one number one this is what somebody told me when i

this is what somebody told me when i this is what somebody told me when i lost a friend of suicide you know lost a friend of suicide you know lost a friend of suicide you know because when you lose a friend to because when you lose a friend to because when you lose a friend to suicide when you lose a loved one to suicide when you lose a loved one to suicide when you lose a loved one to suicide suicide suicide you're going to blame yourself it's a you're going to blame yourself it's a you're going to blame yourself it's a ever like in the in the circ in the ever like in the in the circ in the ever like in the in the circ in the circle in the periphery of suicide there circle in the periphery of suicide there circle in the periphery of suicide there is a is a is a circumference of guilty people who all circumference of guilty people who all circumference of guilty people who all feel like oh if only i'd said this at feel like oh if only i'd said this at feel like oh if only i'd said this at the right time if only i'd listened more the right time if only i'd listened more the right time if only i'd listened more if only i'd seen that warning sign or if if only i'd seen that warning sign or if if only i'd seen that warning sign or if only this or that only this or that only this or that it's interesting in that it's interesting in that it's interesting in that with other with other with other forms of like disease forms of like disease forms of like disease you know you know you know if if your loved one if if your loved one if if your loved one dies from cancer say dies from cancer say dies from cancer say more than likely you're not going to be more than likely you're not going to be more than likely you're not going to be thinking like oh i should have cured thinking like oh i should have cured thinking like oh i should have cured their cancer you know like you're it's a their cancer you know like you're it's a their cancer you know like you're it's a tragedy but at least you're not like uh tragedy but at least you're not like uh tragedy but at least you're not like uh if only i had you still might think if only i had you still might think if only i had you still might think that's part of grief but um that's part of grief but um that's part of grief but um it's not as sticky in many of the other it's not as sticky in many of the other it's not as sticky in many of the other situations here the guilt can really situations here the guilt can really situations here the guilt can really stay for a long time yep stay for a long time yep stay for a long time yep so so so you number one number one it's we're talking about a pro it's we're talking about a pro it's we're talking about a pro progressive disease that can lead to progressive disease that can lead to progressive disease that can lead to death and if somebody commits suicide death and if somebody commits suicide death and if somebody commits suicide they wanted to commit suicide and at they wanted to commit suicide and at they wanted to commit suicide and at least what i've been told is you're you least what i've been told is you're you least what i've been told is you're you can't stop it it's gonna happen can't stop it it's gonna happen can't stop it it's gonna happen it's gonna happen there are no magic it's gonna happen there are no magic it's gonna happen there are no magic words there's nothing you could do so words there's nothing you could do so words there's nothing you could do so you know people who've lost people to you know people who've lost people to you know people who've lost people to suicide you know what i'm talking about suicide you know what i'm talking about suicide you know what i'm talking about like you know you you can watch it like you know you you can watch it like you know you you can watch it happen in real time and there's there's happen in real time and there's there's happen in real time and there's there's nothing you could do nothing you could do nothing you could do um

um um that being said that being said that being said you know being you know being you know being responsive to when it seems like responsive to when it seems like responsive to when it seems like someone's really reaching out for help someone's really reaching out for help someone's really reaching out for help and knowing that maybe and knowing that maybe and knowing that maybe even it though it might if especially if even it though it might if especially if even it though it might if especially if it's someone who's like doesn't talk it's someone who's like doesn't talk it's someone who's like doesn't talk like this a lot of the time and like this a lot of the time and like this a lot of the time and sentences start coming out of their sentences start coming out of their sentences start coming out of their mouth mouth mouth that if you weren't really paying that if you weren't really paying that if you weren't really paying attention attention attention might not seem like a big deal but for might not seem like a big deal but for might not seem like a big deal but for this person it's kind of a novelist that this person it's kind of a novelist that this person it's kind of a novelist that all of a sudden all of a sudden all of a sudden that's happening that's happening that's happening now there now there now there that's when you can be a good listener that's when you can be a good listener that's when you can be a good listener and you know open up to them and hear and you know open up to them and hear and you know open up to them and hear what they're saying and see like oh shit what they're saying and see like oh shit what they're saying and see like oh shit are they asking me for is this them are they asking me for is this them are they asking me for is this them asking for help and even if you're like asking for help and even if you're like asking for help and even if you're like i'm i don't know what to do i'm i don't know what to do i'm i don't know what to do you know you know you know uh at least you can like uh at least you can like uh at least you can like start checking in on them you know start start checking in on them you know start start checking in on them you know start like like like help them understand that you're there help them understand that you're there help them understand that you're there for them and then hopefully get them for them and then hopefully get them for them and then hopefully get them into therapy get them to a doctor get into therapy get them to a doctor get into therapy get them to a doctor get them to a professional who can like see them to a professional who can like see them to a professional who can like see what's going on there so that and then what's going on there so that and then what's going on there so that and then there's hope and even then there might there's hope and even then there might there's hope and even then there might not be hope actually you know doctors not be hope actually you know doctors not be hope actually you know doctors can't stop it there's no can't stop it there's no can't stop it there's no sometimes it just that's the way it goes sometimes it just that's the way it goes sometimes it just that's the way it goes but but but you know i know that like um you know i know that like um you know i know that like um being sensitive being sensitive being sensitive if somebody's like all of a sudden if somebody's like all of a sudden if somebody's like all of a sudden hitting you up or reaching out to you hitting you up or reaching out to you hitting you up or reaching out to you that normally isn't like that that normally isn't like that that normally isn't like that and just what's going on how are you and and just what's going on how are you and and just what's going on how are you and just listen which in general just listen which in general just listen which in general depression or not is probably a good depression or not is probably a good depression or not is probably a good thing to do thing to do thing to do yeah to to to to to truly listen it's yeah to to to to to truly listen it's yeah to to to to to truly listen it's like are you okay yeah yeah like are you okay yeah yeah like are you okay yeah yeah because people have you know i don't

because people have you know i don't because people have you know i don't this whole thing of like cries for help this whole thing of like cries for help this whole thing of like cries for help man they don't sometimes they just look man they don't sometimes they just look man they don't sometimes they just look like a weird text like a weird text like a weird text you know something you don't realize the you know something you don't realize the you know something you don't realize the for the person to send that fucking text for the person to send that fucking text for the person to send that fucking text they've been thinking about it all they've been thinking about it all they've been thinking about it all morning they've been just trying to get morning they've been just trying to get morning they've been just trying to get their fuck get their phone up their fuck get their phone up their fuck get their phone up from the floor from the floor from the floor so you know so you know so you know i think that that's it i mean i get what i think that that's it i mean i get what i think that that's it i mean i get what i don't know i don't know i've had i don't know i don't know i've had i don't know i don't know i've had friends like kill themselves so friends like kill themselves so friends like kill themselves so and uh and uh and uh many of them it wasn't like many of them it wasn't like many of them it wasn't like sadly it was like i don't know i don't sadly it was like i don't know i don't sadly it was like i don't know i don't know what could have been done but know what could have been done but know what could have been done but but there's still but there's still but there's still still a guilt in the back of your head still a guilt in the back of your head still a guilt in the back of your head for the rest of my life for sure always for the rest of my life for sure always for the rest of my life for sure always will be will be will be yeah i mean yeah but again what are you yeah i mean yeah but again what are you yeah i mean yeah but again what are you gonna do you but even that it's a part gonna do you but even that it's a part gonna do you but even that it's a part of love that's right that's right yeah that's that's right that's right yeah that's right you could yeah you know we feel right you could yeah you know we feel right you could yeah you know we feel guilt gre part of grief is guilt you guilt gre part of grief is guilt you guilt gre part of grief is guilt you know i like you we always could have know i like you we always could have know i like you we always could have been better people been better people been better people we always could have been better people we always could have been better people we always could have been better people you getting a victor franco much yeah of you getting a victor franco much yeah of you getting a victor franco much yeah of course course course man search for meaning yeah man search for meaning yeah man search for meaning yeah the invitation the invitation the invitation to to to live live live your life as though you'd been on your your life as though you'd been on your your life as though you'd been on your deathbed deathbed deathbed and have been given the chance to go and have been given the chance to go and have been given the chance to go back and not make the same mistakes back and not make the same mistakes back and not make the same mistakes i i returned to that idea all the time i i returned to that idea all the time i i returned to that idea all the time meaning it's like okay whatever you did meaning it's like okay whatever you did meaning it's like okay whatever you did before before before this moment this moment this moment was too late was too late was too late but now but now but now you know this is where you can start

you know this is where you can start you know this is where you can start this is where you can start this is where you can start this is where you can start and yeah so and yeah so and yeah so i i think that for a neurotic like me i i think that for a neurotic like me i i think that for a neurotic like me that's super important because otherwise that's super important because otherwise that's super important because otherwise i'll just get like too lost in the weeds i'll just get like too lost in the weeds i'll just get like too lost in the weeds of shit shitty things i did in the past of shit shitty things i did in the past of shit shitty things i did in the past so speaking of victor frankl you and so speaking of victor frankl you and so speaking of victor frankl you and hitler have the same birthday oh my god hitler have the same birthday oh my god hitler have the same birthday oh my god you've really done your research you've really done your research you've really done your research uh well i i often google um uh well i i often google um uh well i i often google um famous people that have a birthday same famous people that have a birthday same famous people that have a birthday same as hitler yeah and the the the person as hitler yeah and the the the person as hitler yeah and the the the person that shows up you know is your face just that shows up you know is your face just that shows up you know is your face just really big really big really big you and hitler together just the pals you and hitler together just the pals you and hitler together just the pals next to each other no it does not i'm no next to each other no it does not i'm no next to each other no it does not i'm no but april 20th is an embarrassing but april 20th is an embarrassing but april 20th is an embarrassing birthday for all my 420 friends out birthday for all my 420 friends out birthday for all my 420 friends out there it's embarrassing you share a there it's embarrassing you share a there it's embarrassing you share a birthday with hitler i think it's 420s birthday with hitler i think it's 420s birthday with hitler i think it's 420s also has a humor and an uh a lightness also has a humor and an uh a lightness also has a humor and an uh a lightness to it right it's embarrassing to it right it's embarrassing to it right it's embarrassing especially life is embarrassing but if especially life is embarrassing but if especially life is embarrassing but if you like weed and you're born on stoner you like weed and you're born on stoner you like weed and you're born on stoner day and day and day and you believe in reincarnation you believe in reincarnation you believe in reincarnation do you realize like when you start do you realize like when you start do you realize like when you start connecting the dots there if there is connecting the dots there if there is connecting the dots there if there is like a bardo where you get to choose like a bardo where you get to choose like a bardo where you get to choose your next life so you're like a shitty your next life so you're like a shitty your next life so you're like a shitty generic np npc you're you're like of generic np npc you're you're like of generic np npc you're you're like of course of course you would be born on course of course you would be born on course of course you would be born on 420.

420. 420. it's computer games yeah yeah but isn't it interesting that on that but isn't it interesting that on that but isn't it interesting that on that same day same day same day hitler is also born hitler is also born hitler is also born i don't there's a i don't there's a i don't there's a there's attention to that there's attention to that there's attention to that um and that hitler's an artist um and that hitler's an artist um and that hitler's an artist so it's like so it's like so it's like that hippie mindset could go anywhere oh that hippie mindset could go anywhere oh that hippie mindset could go anywhere oh yeah right like what yeah you know and i yeah right like what yeah you know and i yeah right like what yeah you know and i i like i was just having this i like i was just having this i like i was just having this conversation with a friend of mine who's conversation with a friend of mine who's conversation with a friend of mine who's a wonderful skeptic a wonderful skeptic a wonderful skeptic and and and we were talking about this uh we were talking about this uh we were talking about this uh which is which is which is the thing where you start attributing the thing where you start attributing the thing where you start attributing to the day you were born these kind of to the day you were born these kind of to the day you were born these kind of significance and based on maybe people significance and based on maybe people significance and based on maybe people who were born on that day maybe some who were born on that day maybe some who were born on that day maybe some other things and you know it's like other things and you know it's like other things and you know it's like think of how many people by now in the think of how many people by now in the think of how many people by now in the course of human history have been born course of human history have been born course of human history have been born on april 20th i mean on april 20th i mean on april 20th i mean how many someone could probably do the how many someone could probably do the how many someone could probably do the math and come up with some number close math and come up with some number close math and come up with some number close to it to it to it now now now this is how you know how rotten hitler this is how you know how rotten hitler this is how you know how rotten hitler is like he's the one that like fucks up is like he's the one that like fucks up is like he's the one that like fucks up every other the birthday for everybody every other the birthday for everybody every other the birthday for everybody else but else but else but i think where i heard that you're 420 i think where i heard that you're 420 i think where i heard that you're 420 is wim hoff is wim hoff is wim hoff episode because he's also 47 420. yeah episode because he's also 47 420. yeah episode because he's also 47 420. yeah so he so he so he hitler beats even william hoff hitler beats even william hoff hitler beats even william hoff look in terms of owning the date i think look in terms of owning the date i think look in terms of owning the date i think if anybody if anybody if anybody is is like well obviously there's is is like well obviously there's is is like well obviously there's nothing you can do do to like fix it nothing you can do do to like fix it nothing you can do do to like fix it hitler fucked up a lot of things he

hitler fucked up a lot of things he hitler fucked up a lot of things he fucked up that mustache he fucked up the fucked up that mustache he fucked up the fucked up that mustache he fucked up the name hitler he fucked up 420 and name hitler he fucked up 420 and name hitler he fucked up 420 and obviously he caused a horrific holocaust obviously he caused a horrific holocaust obviously he caused a horrific holocaust that by the way talk about these that by the way talk about these that by the way talk about these reverberations through time that we're reverberations through time that we're reverberations through time that we're still experiencing there's still people still experiencing there's still people still experiencing there's still people walking around with fucking tattoos from walking around with fucking tattoos from walking around with fucking tattoos from that motherfucker so that motherfucker so that motherfucker so but you know wim hof but you know wim hof but you know wim hof you know people like wim hof there's a you know people like wim hof there's a you know people like wim hof there's a little little little they're like they're like they're like whatever the opposite of hitler is you whatever the opposite of hitler is you whatever the opposite of hitler is you know he too is creating ripples in the know he too is creating ripples in the know he too is creating ripples in the lake that hopefully lake that hopefully lake that hopefully uh respond to that of hitler yeah a very uh respond to that of hitler yeah a very uh respond to that of hitler yeah a very cold fucking lake and he's in in and cold fucking lake and he's in in and cold fucking lake and he's in in and yeah so very cool yeah so very cool yeah so very cool very very cold lake that he's happily very very cold lake that he's happily very very cold lake that he's happily swimming around in but yeah you know i i swimming around in but yeah you know i i swimming around in but yeah you know i i i try not to uh i try not to think about i try not to uh i try not to think about i try not to uh i try not to think about like the the hitler thing on my birthday like the the hitler thing on my birthday like the the hitler thing on my birthday that my dad would just every birthday he that my dad would just every birthday he that my dad would just every birthday he would remind me that but do you think would remind me that but do you think would remind me that but do you think all of us are capable of evil do you all of us are capable of evil do you all of us are capable of evil do you think you're one of the sweetest people think you're one of the sweetest people think you're one of the sweetest people i know just as a fan do you think you're i know just as a fan do you think you're i know just as a fan do you think you're capable of evil sure capable of evil sure capable of evil sure yeah i mean sure yeah i mean sure yeah i mean sure definitely i think if you don't think definitely i think if you don't think definitely i think if you don't think that you better you better watch out that you better you better watch out that you better you better watch out because because because come on how do you think you're not come on how do you think you're not come on how do you think you're not capable of evil and p.s you are if capable of evil and p.s you are if capable of evil and p.s you are if you're connected to the supply chain you're connected to the supply chain you're connected to the supply chain friend friend friend you're doing evil you're paying taxes you're doing evil you're paying taxes you're doing evil you're paying taxes you're like you're supporting the you're like you're supporting the you're like you're supporting the worst things in the world i mean you worst things in the world i mean you worst things in the world i mean you know know know like diffusion of responsibility it's like diffusion of responsibility it's like diffusion of responsibility it's really curious or that there's the really curious or that there's the really curious or that there's the circumference of responsibility where

circumference of responsibility where circumference of responsibility where it's like it's like it's like bombs are going off somewhere that were bombs are going off somewhere that were bombs are going off somewhere that were paid for paid for paid for in some small part in some small part in some small part by you by you some fractional if you if by you by you some fractional if you if by you by you some fractional if you if american if an america if a drone american if an america if a drone american if an america if a drone is flying over is flying over is flying over a village in afghanistan and drops a a village in afghanistan and drops a a village in afghanistan and drops a bomb bomb bomb and you pay taxes then you could say you and you pay taxes then you could say you and you pay taxes then you could say you have fractional have fractional have fractional ownership over that drunk you're cog in ownership over that drunk you're cog in ownership over that drunk you're cog in the machine of evil in some sense you're the machine of evil in some sense you're the machine of evil in some sense you're in and in and in and i know what you're gonna say well yeah i know what you're gonna say well yeah i know what you're gonna say well yeah but i have to fucking pay taxes like i but i have to fucking pay taxes like i but i have to fucking pay taxes like i have no choice there's sales tax there's have no choice there's sales tax there's have no choice there's sales tax there's this or that this or that this or that take that attitude take that attitude take that attitude it's the same thing that people on the it's the same thing that people on the it's the same thing that people on the battlefield when they're battlefield when they're battlefield when they're sending missiles into other tanks sending missiles into other tanks sending missiles into other tanks they're thinking the same thing it's they're thinking the same thing it's they're thinking the same thing it's just they're more directly responsible just they're more directly responsible just they're more directly responsible for what's going on but in for what's going on but in for what's going on but in in buddhism this idea of dependent in buddhism this idea of dependent in buddhism this idea of dependent uh co-arising uh or yeah dependent uh co-arising uh or yeah dependent uh co-arising uh or yeah dependent co-rising we're all connected we're all co-rising we're all connected we're all co-rising we're all connected we're all part of this matrix we're all connected part of this matrix we're all connected part of this matrix we're all connected meaning meaning meaning we all share responsibility for the evil we all share responsibility for the evil we all share responsibility for the evil in the world so even if you aren't in the world so even if you aren't in the world so even if you aren't directly committing evil acts if you're directly committing evil acts if you're directly committing evil acts if you're seeing something in the world and you're seeing something in the world and you're seeing something in the world and you're thinking that's evil thinking that's evil thinking that's evil you're probably not quite as separated you're probably not quite as separated you're probably not quite as separated from that as you'd like to believe in from that as you'd like to believe in from that as you'd like to believe in some some some tiny infinitesimally tiny infinitesimally tiny infinitesimally quantum way you you're connected so and quantum way you you're connected so and quantum way you you're connected so and there's a sense there's a sense there's a sense i've gotten to experience this

i've gotten to experience this i've gotten to experience this over and over that one individual can over and over that one individual can over and over that one individual can actually make a gigantic difference actually make a gigantic difference actually make a gigantic difference in in in and so not only is there a diffusion and so not only is there a diffusion and so not only is there a diffusion responsibility responsibility responsibility there's a kind of uh paralysis about there's a kind of uh paralysis about there's a kind of uh paralysis about well what can i do yeah well what can i do yeah well what can i do yeah sure i understand but what can i do and sure i understand but what can i do and sure i understand but what can i do and i think i think i think just just just looking at history looking at history looking at history and also hanging out and and also hanging out and and also hanging out and becoming friends but also interviewing becoming friends but also interviewing becoming friends but also interviewing people that have had a tremendous impact people that have had a tremendous impact people that have had a tremendous impact you realize you realize you realize uh you're just one dude yeah you're like uh you're just one dude yeah you're like uh you're just one dude yeah you're like you're like a normal person now you're you're like a normal person now you're you're like a normal person now you're not that smart even like a lot of people not that smart even like a lot of people not that smart even like a lot of people aren't aren't aren't like in some kind of magical way where like in some kind of magical way where like in some kind of magical way where you have a big head that's figuring out you have a big head that's figuring out you have a big head that's figuring out everything no you everything no you everything no you uh you just saw problems in the world uh you just saw problems in the world uh you just saw problems in the world and you're like hey i think i'm going to and you're like hey i think i'm going to and you're like hey i think i'm going to try to do something about this yeah you try to do something about this yeah you try to do something about this yeah you stay focused and dedicated to it for stay focused and dedicated to it for stay focused and dedicated to it for prolonged period of time prolonged period of time prolonged period of time and refuse to quit refuse to listen to and refuse to quit refuse to listen to and refuse to quit refuse to listen to people that tell you that this isn't people that tell you that this isn't people that tell you that this isn't like impossible here's how others have like impossible here's how others have like impossible here's how others have failed yeah no i'm failed yeah no i'm failed yeah no i'm gonna i'm gonna do it that's it gonna i'm gonna do it that's it gonna i'm gonna do it that's it that's it one person and then you kind that's it one person and then you kind that's it one person and then you kind of the thing is when there's one person of the thing is when there's one person of the thing is when there's one person that keeps pushing forward that way that keeps pushing forward that way that keeps pushing forward that way there's humans are sticky they other there's humans are sticky they other there's humans are sticky they other people follow them around and they're people follow them around and they're people follow them around and they're like i'll help like i'll help like i'll help i you know uh i'll help and then the i you know uh i'll help and then the i you know uh i'll help and then the other people help and then the cool other people help and then the cool other people help and then the cool people all gather together because they people all gather together because they people all gather together because they kind of get excited about this way holy kind of get excited about this way holy kind of get excited about this way holy shit we can actually make a difference shit we can actually make a difference shit we can actually make a difference and they they form groups and then all

and they they form groups and then all and they they form groups and then all of a sudden there's companies and of a sudden there's companies and of a sudden there's companies and nations that actually make a gigantic nations that actually make a gigantic nations that actually make a gigantic difference it's interesting it all difference it's interesting it all difference it's interesting it all starts with starts with starts with one person often you know what if i one person often you know what if i one person often you know what if i could push back slightly against that could push back slightly against that could push back slightly against that it's never just one person it's like you it's never just one person it's like you it's never just one person it's like you know know know nobody ever talks about at least as far nobody ever talks about at least as far nobody ever talks about at least as far as i'm aware you never hear about like as i'm aware you never hear about like as i'm aware you never hear about like buddha's buddha's buddha's great-grandmother you never hear about great-grandmother you never hear about great-grandmother you never hear about that you never hear about that but if that you never hear about that but if that you never hear about that but if not for that person no no buddhism not for that person no no buddhism not for that person no no buddhism you know you know the people you're you know you know the people you're you know you know the people you're talking about talking about talking about they are the mo they're the tip of the they are the mo they're the tip of the they are the mo they're the tip of the iceberg that pops up out of the iceberg that pops up out of the iceberg that pops up out of the ocean of history and you never see ocean of history and you never see ocean of history and you never see the the all the little things that the the all the little things that the the all the little things that helped that happen and and so to me helped that happen and and so to me helped that happen and and so to me this is where the real like how do how this is where the real like how do how this is where the real like how do how do you help what's something you can do do you help what's something you can do do you help what's something you can do well you know recognize that first that well you know recognize that first that well you know recognize that first that you don't really you don't you might not you don't really you don't you might not you don't really you don't you might not even be aware of how much you're even be aware of how much you're even be aware of how much you're impacting people around you you might impacting people around you you might impacting people around you you might think that that you're not or you might think that that you're not or you might think that that you're not or you might think sure surely not in a way that think sure surely not in a way that think sure surely not in a way that makes a big difference makes a big difference makes a big difference but you have no idea these tipping but you have no idea these tipping but you have no idea these tipping points and that that can lead to the points and that that can lead to the points and that that can lead to the emergence of an einstein a gandhi a emergence of an einstein a gandhi a emergence of an einstein a gandhi a martin luther king we can go on and on a martin luther king we can go on and on a martin luther king we can go on and on a dostoevsky or whoever and so i think dostoevsky or whoever and so i think dostoevsky or whoever and so i think that's where for me it goes back to tend that's where for me it goes back to tend that's where for me it goes back to tend to the part of the garden to the part of the garden to the part of the garden you can you can you can touch and then touch and then touch and then or even deeper than that or even deeper than that or even deeper than that intention it was just like an uh and i'm intention it was just like an uh and i'm intention it was just like an uh and i'm an idiot so i need an idiot's intention

an idiot so i need an idiot's intention an idiot so i need an idiot's intention which is which is which is don't don't don't if you if you if you i heard the dalai lama say it i heard the dalai lama say it i heard the dalai lama say it if you can help if you can help if you can help help help help if you can't help don't hurt if you can't help don't hurt if you can't help don't hurt simple basic simple basic simple basic dummy rules so that you can if possible dummy rules so that you can if possible dummy rules so that you can if possible refrain from hurting which it might as refrain from hurting which it might as refrain from hurting which it might as well be a form of helping well be a form of helping well be a form of helping and the help doesn't have to be the and the help doesn't have to be the and the help doesn't have to be the dramatic thing these little acts of dramatic thing these little acts of dramatic thing these little acts of kindness kindness kindness i don't know they they seem to have uh i don't know they they seem to have uh i don't know they they seem to have uh maybe i believe in kind of karma but maybe i believe in kind of karma but maybe i believe in kind of karma but they seem to have this they seem to have this they seem to have this they can have this gigantic ripple they can have this gigantic ripple they can have this gigantic ripple effect effect effect i don't know i don't know why that is i i don't know i don't know why that is i i don't know i don't know why that is i just i remember a lot of just i remember a lot of just i remember a lot of little acts of kindness that people have little acts of kindness that people have little acts of kindness that people have done to me and they they uh what do they done to me and they they uh what do they done to me and they they uh what do they do do do uh when they fill me with joy and hope uh when they fill me with joy and hope uh when they fill me with joy and hope for the future they give me faith in for the future they give me faith in for the future they give me faith in humanity humanity humanity um yeah that somehow there's a uh um yeah that somehow there's a uh um yeah that somehow there's a uh partially dormant partially dormant partially dormant desire in our sort of collective desire in our sort of collective desire in our sort of collective intelligence to do good in the world intelligence to do good in the world intelligence to do good in the world that most of us want to be that most of us want to be that most of us want to be uh good that want to do good onto the uh good that want to do good onto the uh good that want to do good onto the world they want there's a kindness world they want there's a kindness world they want there's a kindness that's kind of like that's kind of like that's kind of like begging to get out you know begging to get out you know begging to get out you know and those little acts of kindness do and those little acts of kindness do and those little acts of kindness do just that and actually one of the just that and actually one of the just that and actually one of the reasons i love austin and moved here is reasons i love austin and moved here is reasons i love austin and moved here is realizing realizing realizing just just noticing those little acts of just just noticing those little acts of just just noticing those little acts of kindness all around me just for stupid kindness all around me just for stupid kindness all around me just for stupid reasons people being really nice

reasons people being really nice reasons people being really nice it's it's weird and that that it's it's weird and that that it's it's weird and that that that kindness combined with an optimism that kindness combined with an optimism that kindness combined with an optimism for the future for the future for the future it's just it uh it's just it uh it's just it uh it's amazing what that can build yes it's amazing what that can build yes it's amazing what that can build yes yes it's incredible and i know what yes it's incredible and i know what yes it's incredible and i know what you're saying it's like you're saying it's like you're saying it's like you know we we moved to this great you know we we moved to this great you know we we moved to this great neighborhood and neighborhood and neighborhood and at this point i think at this point i think at this point i think three three three maybe four of our neighbors have like maybe four of our neighbors have like maybe four of our neighbors have like made food for us that just shows up with made food for us that just shows up with made food for us that just shows up with like handwritten like handwritten like handwritten lists of like things they like to do in lists of like things they like to do in lists of like things they like to do in the area and their phone number if we the area and their phone number if we the area and their phone number if we need help and it's like need help and it's like need help and it's like holy shit holy shit holy shit that's like that's like that's like that it might seem like a little act but that it might seem like a little act but that it might seem like a little act but it feels like some kind of atomic love it feels like some kind of atomic love it feels like some kind of atomic love bomb just went off on your porch when bomb just went off on your porch when bomb just went off on your porch when you're looking at that like what the you're looking at that like what the you're looking at that like what the fuck yeah you made me a a pie fuck yeah you made me a a pie fuck yeah you made me a a pie this is incredible like this is this is incredible like this is this is incredible like this is incredible so incredible so incredible so and also it's another act to accept that and also it's another act to accept that and also it's another act to accept that kindness with a it's like a lot of times kindness with a it's like a lot of times kindness with a it's like a lot of times when i was like in boston or san when i was like in boston or san when i was like in boston or san francisco certain big cities you can francisco certain big cities you can francisco certain big cities you can think like oh okay well they're trying think like oh okay well they're trying think like oh okay well they're trying to like somehow to like somehow to like somehow um um um that's not an act of kindness that's that's not an act of kindness that's that's not an act of kindness that's some kind of a transactional thing to some kind of a transactional thing to some kind of a transactional thing to build up a it's like a career move for build up a it's like a career move for build up a it's like a career move for networking all that kind of stuff but no networking all that kind of stuff but no networking all that kind of stuff but no if you just accept it for what it is a if you just accept it for what it is a if you just accept it for what it is a pure act of kindness fucking boston yes pure act of kindness fucking boston yes pure act of kindness fucking boston yes yeah yeah because for me i go the yeah yeah because for me i go the yeah yeah because for me i go the opposite route because i'm not even opposite route because i'm not even opposite route because i'm not even though there is a part of me that might though there is a part of me that might though there is a part of me that might be a little suspicious or something

be a little suspicious or something be a little suspicious or something where i go where i go where i go to to push that shit back mentally is to to push that shit back mentally is to to push that shit back mentally is i'm like i don't deserve this if they i'm like i don't deserve this if they i'm like i don't deserve this if they knew yeah what a piece of shit i am knew yeah what a piece of shit i am knew yeah what a piece of shit i am you're gonna bring me i don't never you're gonna bring me i don't never you're gonna bring me i don't never bring cakes to my neighbors i would know bring cakes to my neighbors i would know bring cakes to my neighbors i would know how to make a cake i don't know how to how to make a cake i don't know how to how to make a cake i don't know how to make anything i have time i should be make anything i have time i should be make anything i have time i should be bringing shit to my neighbors why didn't bringing shit to my neighbors why didn't bringing shit to my neighbors why didn't i do that i should have brought i do that i should have brought i do that i should have brought i never do that i never do that i never do that it's okay if you're not careful you can it's okay if you're not careful you can it's okay if you're not careful you can spiral into a vortex of self-hate from spiral into a vortex of self-hate from spiral into a vortex of self-hate from the gifts you have to yeah you have to the gifts you have to yeah you have to the gifts you have to yeah you have to learn how to in in that circuitry learn how to in in that circuitry learn how to in in that circuitry you have to learn how to like you have to learn how to like you have to learn how to like accept oh yeah i have that problem accept oh yeah i have that problem accept oh yeah i have that problem really big yeah like like i don't really big yeah like like i don't really big yeah like like i don't deserve this deserve this deserve this like i don't like i don't like i don't i get so much love from people i'm like i get so much love from people i'm like i get so much love from people i'm like well yeah they love me because they well yeah they love me because they well yeah they love me because they don't know me don't know me don't know me that's my brain my little voice like that's my brain my little voice like that's my brain my little voice like yeah you're not yeah you're not yeah you're not you're not worthy you're not worthy you're not worthy you're not you're not worthy of any of you're not you're not worthy of any of you're not you're not worthy of any of this uh this uh this uh kindness and all this kind of stuff and kindness and all this kind of stuff and kindness and all this kind of stuff and that could be very uh that could be very uh that could be very uh yeah it can shut you down it can be yeah it can shut you down it can be yeah it can shut you down it can be debilitating and also it shuts the debilitating and also it shuts the debilitating and also it shuts the person down i mean you're talking and person down i mean you're talking and person down i mean you're talking and that's that's the dog size it pushes that's that's the dog size it pushes that's that's the dog size it pushes them away too yeah it cuts off this them away too yeah it cuts off this them away too yeah it cuts off this fucking mystical circuitry so like the fucking mystical circuitry so like the fucking mystical circuitry so like the best thing if that happens to you is best thing if that happens to you is best thing if that happens to you is like accept it like accept it like accept it joyfully and just eva just all that that joyfully and just eva just all that that joyfully and just eva just all that that whatever that thing whatever that thing whatever that thing inside of you whatever that little thing inside of you whatever that little thing inside of you whatever that little thing is you know this is like in the is you know this is like in the is you know this is like in the meditation i do meditation i do meditation i do um it's it's an infuriatingly simple um it's it's an infuriatingly simple um it's it's an infuriatingly simple meditation but um

meditation but um meditation but um when a thought emerges when you you are when a thought emerges when you you are when a thought emerges when you you are resting your attention on your breath resting your attention on your breath resting your attention on your breath and then inevitably and then inevitably and then inevitably you think you get lost in your thoughts you think you get lost in your thoughts you think you get lost in your thoughts and when you catch yourself doing that and when you catch yourself doing that and when you catch yourself doing that you think you think you think thinking thinking thinking and then return your attention to the and then return your attention to the and then return your attention to the breath so i like that so that when that breath so i like that so that when that breath so i like that so that when that part of myself starts you know having part of myself starts you know having part of myself starts you know having its little neurotic semi-seizure i can its little neurotic semi-seizure i can its little neurotic semi-seizure i can just go thinking just go thinking just go thinking whatever it's just another thought and whatever it's just another thought and whatever it's just another thought and then eat the eat the then eat the eat the then eat the eat the eat the banana bread or whatever they eat the banana bread or whatever they eat the banana bread or whatever they gave you gave you gave you what's the most what's the most what's the most wild psychedelic experience you've ever wild psychedelic experience you've ever wild psychedelic experience you've ever had in a dream in a vision doesn't have had in a dream in a vision doesn't have had in a dream in a vision doesn't have to be a drug related to be a drug related to be a drug related what's um what's um what's um what's one that jumps to mind that was what's one that jumps to mind that was what's one that jumps to mind that was like holy shit i'm happy to be alive is like holy shit i'm happy to be alive is like holy shit i'm happy to be alive is this life okay this is amazing yeah the this life okay this is amazing yeah the this life okay this is amazing yeah the oh yeah okay so the one that pops to mind i've had a lot the one that pops to mind i've had a lot of psychedelic experiences but in this of psychedelic experiences but in this of psychedelic experiences but in this moment the one that pops to mind only moment the one that pops to mind only moment the one that pops to mind only because it goes back to what you're because it goes back to what you're because it goes back to what you're talking about talking about talking about about this uh nietzsche's idea of about this uh nietzsche's idea of about this uh nietzsche's idea of infinite return um infinite return um infinite return um the the the the uh the uh the uh so i'm a burning man so i'm a burning man so i'm a burning man and and and uh are you going to burning me on this uh are you going to burning me on this uh are you going to burning me on this time i'm not like i mean i have kids time i'm not like i mean i have kids time i'm not like i mean i have kids right now i just want to be around them right now i just want to be around them right now i just want to be around them my wife was being so cool about it and my wife was being so cool about it and my wife was being so cool about it and she knows i love burning man she's like she knows i love burning man she's like she knows i love burning man she's like go to burning man and i was gonna go and go to burning man and i was gonna go and go to burning man and i was gonna go and then i just i just want to be around my then i just i just want to be around my then i just i just want to be around my kids as much as i can right now but i've kids as much as i can right now but i've kids as much as i can right now but i've never been to burning man so i don't never been to burning man so i don't never been to burning man so i don't know how secretive it is know how secretive it is know how secretive it is that i mean because quite high-profile

that i mean because quite high-profile that i mean because quite high-profile folks go yeah everyone knows elon musk folks go yeah everyone knows elon musk folks go yeah everyone knows elon musk goes there goes there goes there isn't it pretty open got a boat isn't it pretty open got a boat isn't it pretty open got a boat you know you know you know you know there's a it's called art cars you know there's a it's called art cars you know there's a it's called art cars they all make art cars and like part of they all make art cars and like part of they all make art cars and like part of the the the part of the burn what's so beautiful part of the burn what's so beautiful part of the burn what's so beautiful about it is like about it is like about it is like you can't buy anything there man like you can't buy anything there man like you can't buy anything there man like you you i'd i've heard you you i'd i've heard you you i'd i've heard i don't know if this has changed i don't know if this has changed i don't know if this has changed it's been a bit because of the pandemic it's been a bit because of the pandemic it's been a bit because of the pandemic but but but the only thing you could buy was ice and the only thing you could buy was ice and the only thing you could buy was ice and coffee coffee coffee and i think maybe that's changed i heard and i think maybe that's changed i heard and i think maybe that's changed i heard some whisper that that's changed but some whisper that that's changed but some whisper that that's changed but so so so that means that that means that that means that it's a gifting economy is what they call it's a gifting economy is what they call it's a gifting economy is what they call it and so it and so it and so people will just give you stuff talk people will just give you stuff talk people will just give you stuff talk about having to struggle with deserving about having to struggle with deserving about having to struggle with deserving stuff man what are you gonna fucking do stuff man what are you gonna fucking do stuff man what are you gonna fucking do when the camp next to you when the camp next to you when the camp next to you is like every morning making the best is like every morning making the best is like every morning making the best iced coffee that you've ever had in your iced coffee that you've ever had in your iced coffee that you've ever had in your life and they just you're giving it all life and they just you're giving it all life and they just you're giving it all away until it's all gone what are you away until it's all gone what are you away until it's all gone what are you gonna do it's gonna do it's gonna do it's it's the best it's the best it's the best ever and then you're giving things to ever and then you're giving things to ever and then you're giving things to people and then you you learn stuff like people and then you you learn stuff like people and then you you learn stuff like you learn these really interesting you learn these really interesting you learn these really interesting lessons like uh lessons like uh lessons like uh one of the times i went there one of the times i went there one of the times i went there got all these uh got all these uh got all these uh strawberries looks might not sound like strawberries looks might not sound like strawberries looks might not sound like a big deal but a big deal but a big deal but when you're out there in the dust and when you're out there in the dust and when you're out there in the dust and you're not at one of like the like you're not at one of like the like you're not at one of like the like hardcore like luxury camps which do hardcore like luxury camps which do hardcore like luxury camps which do exist out there exist out there exist out there you know you've got these like items you know you've got these like items you know you've got these like items where in my mind i'm like yeah these are where in my mind i'm like yeah these are where in my mind i'm like yeah these are going to be just for me and my going to be just for me and my going to be just for me and my girlfriend my special stash fruit and

girlfriend my special stash fruit and girlfriend my special stash fruit and this or that and then like this or that and then like this or that and then like two days in two days in two days in you're walking around your camp you're walking around your camp you're walking around your camp with the strawberries that you were with the strawberries that you were with the strawberries that you were coveting and everyone's so happy to get coveting and everyone's so happy to get coveting and everyone's so happy to get like cold strawberries and you've like cold strawberries and you've like cold strawberries and you've realized oh my god this feels so much realized oh my god this feels so much realized oh my god this feels so much better than the way a strawberry tastes better than the way a strawberry tastes better than the way a strawberry tastes so you learn so you learn so you learn something experientially there uh which something experientially there uh which something experientially there uh which is an incredible thing is an incredible thing is an incredible thing it's an incredible thing um man now i'm it's an incredible thing um man now i'm it's an incredible thing um man now i'm wishing i'd decide to go to burning man wishing i'd decide to go to burning man wishing i'd decide to go to burning man have you been a few times yeah have you been a few times yeah have you been a few times yeah i just know like i just know like i just know like uh at least people were saying it was uh at least people were saying it was uh at least people were saying it was elon musk's boat like yeah like this i elon musk's boat like yeah like this i elon musk's boat like yeah like this i think it was like a it's like this think it was like a it's like this think it was like a it's like this massive it's art cars and it was this massive it's art cars and it was this massive it's art cars and it was this party on this thing you could just party on this thing you could just party on this thing you could just anyone anyone anyone can go can go can go on the boat like no one's like there's on the boat like no one's like there's on the boat like no one's like there's no guest list no guest list no guest list you just go on there i never saw him you just go on there i never saw him you just go on there i never saw him there but that you know everyone's there but that you know everyone's there but that you know everyone's whispering elon musk is here whispering elon musk is here whispering elon musk is here there's a secrecy there's all that kind there's a secrecy there's all that kind there's a secrecy there's all that kind of stuff because you probably have to of stuff because you probably have to of stuff because you probably have to respect that but at the same time there respect that but at the same time there respect that but at the same time there it seems like the kind of people that go it seems like the kind of people that go it seems like the kind of people that go there there there i mean i mean i mean the the rules of the outside world are the the rules of the outside world are the the rules of the outside world are suspended suspended suspended in the sense that in the sense that in the sense that the um the um the um the crime the aggression the crime the aggression the crime the aggression the tensions all that seems to dissipate the tensions all that seems to dissipate the tensions all that seems to dissipate somehow not all the way somehow not all the way somehow not all the way not all the way there you know there's not all the way there you know there's not all the way there you know there's you could look it up you know because you could look it up you know because you could look it up you know because like there is tension there's a lot of like there is tension there's a lot of like there is tension there's a lot of tension there between tension there between tension there between um um um it's called plug-in plays like you know it's called plug-in plays like you know it's called plug-in plays like you know burning man like the history of burning

burning man like the history of burning burning man like the history of burning man is man is man is fascinating it has its roots fascinating it has its roots fascinating it has its roots in in in the cacophony society is what it was the cacophony society is what it was the cacophony society is what it was called which is a called which is a called which is a sort of evolution of something that was sort of evolution of something that was sort of evolution of something that was i think it was called the i think it was called the i think it was called the god like the san francisco basically god like the san francisco basically god like the san francisco basically there was like an art movement in san there was like an art movement in san there was like an art movement in san francisco and i can't remember the name francisco and i can't remember the name francisco and i can't remember the name of it maybe the suicide club or of it maybe the suicide club or of it maybe the suicide club or essentially like essentially like essentially like they were really into urban exploration they were really into urban exploration they were really into urban exploration and uh meaning like breaking into like and uh meaning like breaking into like and uh meaning like breaking into like old old old abandoned buildings and stuff but part abandoned buildings and stuff but part abandoned buildings and stuff but part of this of this of this what this was was you would prepare your life you would prepare your life as though you were going to kill as though you were going to kill as though you were going to kill yourself you would get all your affairs yourself you would get all your affairs yourself you would get all your affairs in order you would get so it's going in order you would get so it's going in order you would get so it's going back to what we were talking about with back to what we were talking about with back to what we were talking about with a cancer diagnosis you're like sort of a cancer diagnosis you're like sort of a cancer diagnosis you're like sort of putting yourself into putting yourself into putting yourself into that world of like i'm gonna get all my that world of like i'm gonna get all my that world of like i'm gonna get all my affairs together so this is it and then affairs together so this is it and then affairs together so this is it and then there was some i'm sorry for anyone there was some i'm sorry for anyone there was some i'm sorry for anyone listening if i'm butchering this but i listening if i'm butchering this but i listening if i'm butchering this but i think there was some really cool think there was some really cool think there was some really cool initiation where they would blindfold initiation where they would blindfold initiation where they would blindfold you and they would take you into some of you and they would take you into some of you and they would take you into some of these abandoned buildings and you didn't these abandoned buildings and you didn't these abandoned buildings and you didn't know where you were walking but they know where you were walking but they know where you were walking but they would say like if you take one step would say like if you take one step would say like if you take one step to the left you're gonna die to the left you're gonna die to the left you're gonna die you're gonna fall off you're gonna fall you're gonna fall off you're gonna fall you're gonna fall off you're gonna fall so please be careful so you're like so please be careful so you're like so please be careful so you're like in the moment and then blindfold comes in the moment and then blindfold comes in the moment and then blindfold comes off it's a big awesome party this off it's a big awesome party this off it's a big awesome party this evolves into something called the evolves into something called the evolves into something called the cacophony society there's a great book cacophony society there's a great book cacophony society there's a great book called tales of the cacophony society called tales of the cacophony society called tales of the cacophony society for people listening um for people listening um for people listening um you know one of the uh

you know one of the uh you know one of the uh members of the cacophony society was the members of the cacophony society was the members of the cacophony society was the author of fight club and so if you've author of fight club and so if you've author of fight club and so if you've seen fight club like you could see seen fight club like you could see seen fight club like you could see little ideas that were in the cacophony little ideas that were in the cacophony little ideas that were in the cacophony society they were into society they were into society they were into dadaism which i don't know a lot about dadaism which i don't know a lot about dadaism which i don't know a lot about like i don't know it's but it's a like i don't know it's but it's a like i don't know it's but it's a philosophical art movement philosophical art movement philosophical art movement um um um and then so and then so and then so basically what was happening is like basically what was happening is like basically what was happening is like they kept burning increasingly large they kept burning increasingly large they kept burning increasingly large effigies effigies effigies in san francisco in san francisco in san francisco and they weren't allowed to do it and so and they weren't allowed to do it and so and they weren't allowed to do it and so they took it out in the desert and they took it out in the desert and they took it out in the desert and they were basing it on something called they were basing it on something called they were basing it on something called a zone trip which is like you know a zone trip which is like you know a zone trip which is like you know across this border across this border across this border the rules of that old society are gone the rules of that old society are gone the rules of that old society are gone and so and so and so that was the original that was the original that was the original burning man which was burning man which was burning man which was these lunatics these lunatics these lunatics out in the desert out in the desert out in the desert launching like burning pianos out of launching like burning pianos out of launching like burning pianos out of catapults catapults catapults through the air doing like drive-by through the air doing like drive-by through the air doing like drive-by shooting ranges like shooting ranges like shooting ranges like no rules no rules no rules wild magical beautiful insane madness wild magical beautiful insane madness wild magical beautiful insane madness and then and then and then it grew and grew and grew and grew until it grew and grew and grew and grew until it grew and grew and grew and grew until you have burning man as it is today you have burning man as it is today you have burning man as it is today which is still the most incredible thing which is still the most incredible thing which is still the most incredible thing i mean obviously anytime you have like a i mean obviously anytime you have like a i mean obviously anytime you have like a thing that's been around for a while thing that's been around for a while thing that's been around for a while you're gonna get that it's not like it you're gonna get that it's not like it you're gonna get that it's not like it used to be it's not as free as it used used to be it's not as free as it used used to be it's not as free as it used to be so this or that but what's to be so this or that but what's to be so this or that but what's fascinating about burning man someone fascinating about burning man someone fascinating about burning man someone pointed this out to me pointed this out to me pointed this out to me look on the ground no trash

look on the ground no trash look on the ground no trash no cigarettes no cigarettes no cigarettes the ethic of like picking up your shit the ethic of like picking up your shit the ethic of like picking up your shit there is like so intense so it's not there is like so intense so it's not there is like so intense so it's not like the other festivals you go to where like the other festivals you go to where like the other festivals you go to where there's just trash everywhere shit there's just trash everywhere shit there's just trash everywhere shit scattered everywhere it's clean people scattered everywhere it's clean people scattered everywhere it's clean people are picking up their stuff are picking up their stuff are picking up their stuff people are like people are like people are like uh really being conscious of like not uh really being conscious of like not uh really being conscious of like not fucking up the playa so i'm sorry don't fucking up the playa so i'm sorry don't fucking up the playa so i'm sorry don't open this up and you don't get a burner open this up and you don't get a burner open this up and you don't get a burner yapping about burning man they we won't yapping about burning man they we won't yapping about burning man they we won't stop it'll be mourning but there's a stop it'll be mourning but there's a stop it'll be mourning but there's a power power power there but there is a power the culture there but there is a power the culture there but there is a power the culture uh propagating itself through to the uh propagating itself through to the uh propagating itself through to the stories that we tell each other and that stories that we tell each other and that stories that we tell each other and that holds up holds up holds up uh for burning man that like it's clear uh for burning man that like it's clear uh for burning man that like it's clear that the culture has stayed strong that the culture has stayed strong that the culture has stayed strong throughout the years yes so many people throughout the years yes so many people throughout the years yes so many people so many so many so many really interesting people really interesting people really interesting people uh uh uh speak of burning man as like a speak of burning man as like a speak of burning man as like a uh a sacred place they go to to to uh a sacred place they go to to to uh a sacred place they go to to to remind themselves about what's important remind themselves about what's important remind themselves about what's important yes that's so interesting and it is and yes that's so interesting and it is and yes that's so interesting and it is and it is i mean it's like you know there it is i mean it's like you know there it is i mean it's like you know there are all these stories of like i love are all these stories of like i love are all these stories of like i love guru stories i have a guru neem crowley guru stories i have a guru neem crowley guru stories i have a guru neem crowley baba never met him he was rambasa's guru baba never met him he was rambasa's guru baba never met him he was rambasa's guru at least not in the flesh but the story at least not in the flesh but the story at least not in the flesh but the story of the guru is if you're lucky of the guru is if you're lucky of the guru is if you're lucky you meet this being that you meet this being that you meet this being that and we're not talking about you know and we're not talking about you know and we're not talking about you know whatever the run-of-the-mill like whatever the run-of-the-mill like whatever the run-of-the-mill like charlatans out there like i know for charlatans out there like i know for charlatans out there like i know for sure that people sure that people sure that people are in the world right now who are in the world right now who are in the world right now who uh when you're around them when you're around them you the thing you're talking about the

you the thing you're talking about the you the thing you're talking about the affirmation of affirmation of affirmation of the potential of humanity and also just the potential of humanity and also just the potential of humanity and also just an acceptance of yourself and an acceptance of yourself and an acceptance of yourself and you know cultivate like seeing someone you know cultivate like seeing someone you know cultivate like seeing someone who's cultivated who's cultivated who's cultivated love or compassion or whatever but in love or compassion or whatever but in love or compassion or whatever but in this way that is i mean you would almost i mean you would almost you would rather me that being than like you would rather me that being than like you would rather me that being than like a ufo land in your backyard it's like it a ufo land in your backyard it's like it a ufo land in your backyard it's like it is the ufo it's a person but it's not is the ufo it's a person but it's not is the ufo it's a person but it's not it's it's it's everybody and nobody and somehow they everybody and nobody and somehow they everybody and nobody and somehow they like like like end up end up end up conveying to you conveying to you conveying to you ideas that you may have heard a million ideas that you may have heard a million ideas that you may have heard a million times before but somehow within the times before but somehow within the times before but somehow within the language itself is a transmission that language itself is a transmission that language itself is a transmission that permanently permanently permanently alters you and so these people exist alters you and so these people exist alters you and so these people exist i think you could argue that burning man i think you could argue that burning man i think you could argue that burning man the the the the total thing the total thing the total thing is a guru that a pilgrimage is involved is a guru that a pilgrimage is involved is a guru that a pilgrimage is involved to get there to get there to get there you you you like it's not easy to get there and when like it's not easy to get there and when like it's not easy to get there and when you get there you get there you get there it's it's it's it's going to teach you something it's going to teach you something it's going to teach you something it's going to show you something it's it's going to show you something it's it's going to show you something it's going to going to going to and what maybe some of the stuff it and what maybe some of the stuff it and what maybe some of the stuff it shows you might not be great but the shows you might not be great but the shows you might not be great but the community community community around you around you around you will like will like will like will will will hold you as your like hold you as your like hold you as your like whatever the thing is that's coming out whatever the thing is that's coming out whatever the thing is that's coming out of it is coming out of you and even the of it is coming out of you and even the of it is coming out of you and even the simplest activities the simplest simplest activities the simplest simplest activities the simplest exchange of words have uh like just like exchange of words have uh like just like exchange of words have uh like just like with the gurus

with the gurus with the gurus a profound impact somehow yeah something a profound impact somehow yeah something a profound impact somehow yeah something about that place yeah about that place yeah about that place yeah not to mention the insane not to mention the insane not to mention the insane synchronicities like synchronicities like synchronicities like insane synchronicities here and i think insane synchronicities here and i think insane synchronicities here and i think like you know to get back to the notion like you know to get back to the notion like you know to get back to the notion of sentience as a of sentience as a of sentience as a byproduct of uh byproduct of uh byproduct of uh a harmonized yet hyper-complex system um a harmonized yet hyper-complex system um a harmonized yet hyper-complex system um see i think synchronicities like see i think synchronicities like see i think synchronicities like like those kinds of systems are like like those kinds of systems are like like those kinds of systems are like lightning rods for synchronicity so lightning rods for synchronicity so lightning rods for synchronicity so cr crazy not just because your high cr crazy not just because your high cr crazy not just because your high synchronicities synchronicities synchronicities happen that are impo that are impossible happen that are impo that are impossible happen that are impo that are impossible where you just have to deal with it and where you just have to deal with it and where you just have to deal with it and and like you'll need something and and like you'll need something and and like you'll need something and within a few minutes someone's like oh within a few minutes someone's like oh within a few minutes someone's like oh here you here you go here you here you go here you here you go and you mentioned but by the way burning and you mentioned but by the way burning and you mentioned but by the way burning man because of man because of man because of a psychedelic experience is it the a psychedelic experience is it the a psychedelic experience is it the strawberries strawberries strawberries or was it something else or was it something else or was it something else what was what was the moment yeah that what was what was the moment yeah that what was what was the moment yeah that was magical no it was dmt what was magical no it was dmt what was magical no it was dmt what definitely definitely definitely wasn't strawberries no no i was more potent no no i was more potent yeah i was like smoking dmt yeah i was like smoking dmt yeah i was like smoking dmt and i i saw like i i saw like if you in the midnight gospel they're if you in the midnight gospel they're if you in the midnight gospel they're these bovine creatures that have like a these bovine creatures that have like a these bovine creatures that have like a long neck and a lantern head long neck and a lantern head long neck and a lantern head so like so like so like i i saw one of those things and i i saw one of those things and i i saw one of those things and um and you know i thought it was funny and

and you know i thought it was funny and like like like ridiculous because you hear like all the ridiculous because you hear like all the ridiculous because you hear like all the terence mckenna stories of terence mckenna stories of terence mckenna stories of the self-transforming machine elves or the self-transforming machine elves or the self-transforming machine elves or all the all the all the purple or the magenta goddess everyone purple or the magenta goddess everyone purple or the magenta goddess everyone sees her i'm like sees her i'm like sees her i'm like so this is what i get like so this is what i get like so this is what i get like a fucking cow with a lantern head like a fucking cow with a lantern head like a fucking cow with a lantern head like that's where my brain is at and that's where my brain is at and that's where my brain is at and interacting with this molecule interacting with this molecule interacting with this molecule so then like so then like so then like i look i look away and again this is dmt so when i say look and again this is dmt so when i say look away do i mean with my eyes shut i look away do i mean with my eyes shut i look away do i mean with my eyes shut i look away our eyes open i look away i think i away our eyes open i look away i think i away our eyes open i look away i think i shut shut shut so it sounds weird to say look away but so it sounds weird to say look away but so it sounds weird to say look away but however you want to put it that's what i however you want to put it that's what i however you want to put it that's what i did did did and i look back and i look back and i look back and it's still there only now it's you and it's still there only now it's you and it's still there only now it's you know because usually in like when you're know because usually in like when you're know because usually in like when you're having those kinds of visions they go having those kinds of visions they go having those kinds of visions they go away pretty quickly yeah this thing's away pretty quickly yeah this thing's away pretty quickly yeah this thing's like moved like moved like moved like shambled ahead maybe a few steps like shambled ahead maybe a few steps like shambled ahead maybe a few steps just like a cow it's just like a cow just like a cow it's just like a cow just like a cow it's just like a cow and then and then and then that was when the that was when the that was when the you know all the stories you hear about you know all the stories you hear about you know all the stories you hear about it like going through some kind of tuber it like going through some kind of tuber it like going through some kind of tuber or or or some kind of light tunnel like a water some kind of light tunnel like a water some kind of light tunnel like a water slide made of light that's slide made of light that's slide made of light that's increasingly familiar that's the wildest increasingly familiar that's the wildest increasingly familiar that's the wildest part of it it's like oh i know this part of it it's like oh i know this part of it it's like oh i know this place place place not like oh i've seen this in like you not like oh i've seen this in like you not like oh i've seen this in like you know on like bong stickers but like oh know on like bong stickers but like oh know on like bong stickers but like oh yeah this is that place you go to you yeah this is that place you go to you yeah this is that place you go to you just remember oh this place and then it was like i was in some kind of uh

it was like i was in some kind of uh i don't know how to put it a chamber a i don't know how to put it a chamber a i don't know how to put it a chamber a technological chamber some kind of technological chamber some kind of technological chamber some kind of supercomputer some kind of nucleus that supercomputer some kind of nucleus that supercomputer some kind of nucleus that was technological was technological was technological and it was inviting there was an and it was inviting there was an and it was inviting there was an invitation of like invitation of like invitation of like comment like come deeper into come comment like come deeper into come comment like come deeper into come deeper in deeper in deeper in and uh and uh and uh you can talk to whatever it is over you can talk to whatever it is over you can talk to whatever it is over there you don't talk but there's a there you don't talk but there's a there you don't talk but there's a communication communication communication and i and i and i communicated communicated communicated but my friends but my friends but my friends i don't i don't i don't i love my friends i guess i had some i love my friends i guess i had some i love my friends i guess i had some sense in that moment that it would mean sense in that moment that it would mean sense in that moment that it would mean complete obliteration or complete obliteration or complete obliteration or who knows what and the response that it who knows what and the response that it who knows what and the response that it gave back was gave back was gave back was you can always go back there you can always go back there you can always go back there and that's when i open my eyes i'm back and that's when i open my eyes i'm back and that's when i open my eyes i'm back totally you know and ever since then totally you know and ever since then totally you know and ever since then that that's caused me to revise my that that's caused me to revise my that that's caused me to revise my my thinking on reincarnation my thinking on reincarnation my thinking on reincarnation the idea that you die and you start as a the idea that you die and you start as a the idea that you die and you start as a baby and then live your life again it baby and then live your life again it baby and then live your life again it goes right into what we were talking goes right into what we were talking goes right into what we were talking about i you know that that maybe data about i you know that that maybe data about i you know that that maybe data you know that the shit i saw in nitrous you know that the shit i saw in nitrous you know that the shit i saw in nitrous i don't feel dumb that my epiphanies are i don't feel dumb that my epiphanies are i don't feel dumb that my epiphanies are all related to drugs but not all of them all related to drugs but not all of them all related to drugs but not all of them are a lot of them but this notion of are a lot of them but this notion of are a lot of them but this notion of like oh like oh like oh is it that we're imprinting into the medium of time space imprinting into the medium of time space every every every thing we do thing we do thing we do and that that is a permanent imprint a and that that is a permanent imprint a and that that is a permanent imprint a frame that frame that frame that upon upon upon death death death can be accessed in the same way we can can be accessed in the same way we can can be accessed in the same way we can pull up pull up pull up pictures on our phone or computers

pictures on our phone or computers pictures on our phone or computers and not only accessed but experienced and not only accessed but experienced and not only accessed but experienced as though as though as though in other words you could just jump in in other words you could just jump in in other words you could just jump in you're still going to have your memories you're still going to have your memories you're still going to have your memories it's going to give you a it's going to give you a it's going to give you a the illusion of having been a kid and the illusion of having been a kid and the illusion of having been a kid and gotten to that frame but no you just gotten to that frame but no you just gotten to that frame but no you just decided to go back there decided to go back there decided to go back there nostalgia whatever and nostalgia whatever and nostalgia whatever and uh yeah you can jump around freely in uh yeah you can jump around freely in uh yeah you can jump around freely in space and time yeah yeah you can go in space and time yeah yeah you can go in space and time yeah yeah you can go in and out of time space but when you the and out of time space but when you the and out of time space but when you the problem is when you go into time space problem is when you go into time space problem is when you go into time space it's time so it's going to feel sticky it's time so it's going to feel sticky it's time so it's going to feel sticky it's going to feel like you've been here it's going to feel like you've been here it's going to feel like you've been here forever because you've dropped back onto forever because you've dropped back onto forever because you've dropped back onto the track that nietzsche's talking about the track that nietzsche's talking about the track that nietzsche's talking about um and uh i guess one of the qualities um and uh i guess one of the qualities um and uh i guess one of the qualities of dropping into that frame is that you of dropping into that frame is that you of dropping into that frame is that you forget forget forget your your your higher dimensional identity higher dimensional identity higher dimensional identity what happened to the kyle with the what happened to the kyle with the what happened to the kyle with the lantern lantern lantern was that goodbye he writes me letters sometimes he writes me letters sometimes [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] never saw it again never never saw it never saw it again never never saw it never saw it again never never saw it again but i put it in we put it in the again but i put it in we put it in the again but i put it in we put it in the midnight gospel you know i like midnight gospel you know i like midnight gospel you know i like pendleton was like pendleton was like pendleton was like such a genius and he was he drew it for such a genius and he was he drew it for such a genius and he was he drew it for me and then it just ended up as a part me and then it just ended up as a part me and then it just ended up as a part of the show but by the way i uh i have of the show but by the way i uh i have of the show but by the way i uh i have to admit that as a big fan of yours i to admit that as a big fan of yours i to admit that as a big fan of yours i haven't watched the midnight gospel haven't watched the midnight gospel haven't watched the midnight gospel because i've i've been waiting because i've i've been waiting because i've i've been waiting it sounds like you do these stupid it sounds like you do these stupid it sounds like you do these stupid things but ever since you talked to things but ever since you talked to things but ever since you talked to maybe two years ago with joe maybe two years ago with joe maybe two years ago with joe about it i've been waiting to do to to about it i've been waiting to do to to about it i've been waiting to do to to watch it with like a special person on

watch it with like a special person on watch it with like a special person on mushrooms mushrooms mushrooms oh that's been in my to-do oh that's been in my to-do oh that's been in my to-do i don't know of course you don't have to i don't know of course you don't have to i don't know of course you don't have to be on mushrooms to enjoy it but be on mushrooms to enjoy it but be on mushrooms to enjoy it but for some reason i put it into my head for some reason i put it into my head for some reason i put it into my head that this is something i want to do with that this is something i want to do with that this is something i want to do with somebody else like experience it and get somebody else like experience it and get somebody else like experience it and get wild wild wild um because visually i mean i watched um because visually i mean i watched um because visually i mean i watched uh a bunch of it just a little bit here uh a bunch of it just a little bit here uh a bunch of it just a little bit here and there and there and there but it's just visually such an but it's just visually such an but it's just visually such an interesting experience interesting experience interesting experience um um um combined with everything else obviously combined with everything else obviously combined with everything else obviously the ideas the avoi the voices and so on the ideas the avoi the voices and so on the ideas the avoi the voices and so on but just visually it's like um but just visually it's like um but just visually it's like um it's like a super psychedelic version of it's like a super psychedelic version of it's like a super psychedelic version of rick and morty or something like that rick and morty or something like that rick and morty or something like that like uh you know like farther out while like uh you know like farther out while like uh you know like farther out while they're out there so yeah man the the they're out there so yeah man the the they're out there so yeah man the the that's pendleton you know these are that's pendleton you know these are that's pendleton you know these are these people i mean like these people i mean like these people i mean like i was part of that i was part of that i was part of that um um um in the sense that like pendleton in the sense that like pendleton in the sense that like pendleton gave ever like one of the reasons he's gave ever like one of the reasons he's gave ever like one of the reasons he's like such a genius and great at making like such a genius and great at making like such a genius and great at making stuff is like he's like stuff is like he's like stuff is like he's like he really does a good job of just like he really does a good job of just like he really does a good job of just like de-hierarchizing de-hierarchizing de-hierarchizing potential like hierarchies that can potential like hierarchies that can potential like hierarchies that can appear you know someone has to be like appear you know someone has to be like appear you know someone has to be like driving the bus and that was pendleton driving the bus and that was pendleton driving the bus and that was pendleton but he lets but he lets but he lets he's he's he's so inclusive there's a real punk rock so inclusive there's a real punk rock so inclusive there's a real punk rock thing that he's doing which is like thing that he's doing which is like thing that he's doing which is like he'll take everything and it kind of he'll take everything and it kind of he'll take everything and it kind of mixes its way into the show but mixes its way into the show but mixes its way into the show but one of the things one of the things one of the things you know in you know in you know in animation animation animation it can get really strict with like it can get really strict with like it can get really strict with like drawing the characters and like drawing the characters and like drawing the characters and like the

the the like like like trying to create continuity in the way trying to create continuity in the way trying to create continuity in the way the character looks like and it can get the character looks like and it can get the character looks like and it can get really brute for the animator it can get really brute for the animator it can get really brute for the animator it can get brutally brutally brutally precise like it has to be precise precise like it has to be precise precise like it has to be precise but he figured out that if you just sort but he figured out that if you just sort but he figured out that if you just sort of it's not like obviously like clancy had it's not like obviously like clancy had to look like clancy through the whole to look like clancy through the whole to look like clancy through the whole show but if you allow the various people show but if you allow the various people show but if you allow the various people animating it to sort of have their own animating it to sort of have their own animating it to sort of have their own spin on it then suddenly it creates a spin on it then suddenly it creates a spin on it then suddenly it creates a very psychedelic very psychedelic very psychedelic you know the show looks more psychedelic you know the show looks more psychedelic you know the show looks more psychedelic because it looks more organic and also because it looks more organic and also because it looks more organic and also the amount of time the amount of time the amount of time i had no idea the amount of time that i had no idea the amount of time that i had no idea the amount of time that goes into goes into goes into making making making digital art digital art digital art look like that is it's look like that is it's look like that is it's insane the amount of work and comping insane the amount of work and comping insane the amount of work and comping that stuff is just that stuff is just that stuff is just crazy it's crazy well generally the crazy it's crazy well generally the crazy it's crazy well generally the amount of time it takes amount of time it takes amount of time it takes even just like a painting even just like a painting even just like a painting when you uh i really enjoy watching like when you uh i really enjoy watching like when you uh i really enjoy watching like artists do a time lapse and you realize artists do a time lapse and you realize artists do a time lapse and you realize how much effort just into a single how much effort just into a single how much effort just into a single image image image goes into it you know hours and hours goes into it you know hours and hours goes into it you know hours and hours and hours sometimes days sometimes weeks and hours sometimes days sometimes weeks and hours sometimes days sometimes weeks and months nuts and then you just get to and months nuts and then you just get to and months nuts and then you just get to see them work but they they they lose see them work but they they they lose see them work but they they they lose themselves in the craftsmanship of it themselves in the craftsmanship of it themselves in the craftsmanship of it and the the rhythm of it and the the rhythm of it and the the rhythm of it and like because they're focused on the and like because they're focused on the and like because they're focused on the so we're talking about robotics earlier so we're talking about robotics earlier so we're talking about robotics earlier like on the little details like they're like on the little details like they're like on the little details like they're never look well never look well never look well most of the time isn't spent looking at most of the time isn't spent looking at most of the time isn't spent looking at the big picture of the final result it's the big picture of the final result it's the big picture of the final result it's looking at the little details yeah and looking at the little details yeah and looking at the little details yeah and so on and they're but they're

so on and they're but they're so on and they're but they're nevertheless able to somehow nevertheless able to somehow nevertheless able to somehow constantly channel the big picture the constantly channel the big picture the constantly channel the big picture the final result my god yeah yeah the final result my god yeah yeah the final result my god yeah yeah the respect i have for animators it's like respect i have for animators it's like respect i have for animators it's like dear god the it's the craziest thing dear god the it's the craziest thing dear god the it's the craziest thing when you watch it when you see what it when you watch it when you see what it when you watch it when you see what it what it looks like and how much what it looks like and how much what it looks like and how much time goes into it and how zen they have time goes into it and how zen they have time goes into it and how zen they have to be because like no matter what you're to be because like no matter what you're to be because like no matter what you're gonna have to cut stuff man and when gonna have to cut stuff man and when gonna have to cut stuff man and when you're cutting like a few seconds of you're cutting like a few seconds of you're cutting like a few seconds of animation that was someone's like month animation that was someone's like month animation that was someone's like month maybe yeah you know and like they they maybe yeah you know and like they they maybe yeah you know and like they they they understand but still it's like whoa they understand but still it's like whoa they understand but still it's like whoa it's brutal and so the it's brutal and so the it's brutal and so the they they have like this they they have like this they they have like this zen zen zen outlook on it which is really cool and outlook on it which is really cool and outlook on it which is really cool and they watch podcasts that's the other they watch podcasts that's the other they watch podcasts that's the other cool thing when you realize like oh cool thing when you realize like oh cool thing when you realize like oh they're listening to podcasts or like they're listening to podcasts or like they're listening to podcasts or like that's really cool that's really cool that's really cool to see that aspect of it too but yeah to see that aspect of it too but yeah to see that aspect of it too but yeah man i man i man i you know yeah your voice is in the ears you know yeah your voice is in the ears you know yeah your voice is in the ears of a lot of interesting people it's not of a lot of interesting people it's not of a lot of interesting people it's not yours too yours too yours too hello interesting person hello interesting person hello interesting person animators animators animators uh eating delicious food in the uh eating delicious food in the uh eating delicious food in the cafeteria cafeteria cafeteria i'm on your side he's against you i'm i'm on your side he's against you i'm i'm on your side he's against you i'm with you yeah with you yeah with you yeah uh do you have you have a beard uh do you have you have a beard uh do you have you have a beard therefore you must be wise do you have therefore you must be wise do you have therefore you must be wise do you have advice for young people advice for young people advice for young people high school college high school college high school college about how to carve their path through about how to carve their path through about how to carve their path through life how to have a life life how to have a life life how to have a life a career a career a career that's successful that they can be proud that's successful that they can be proud that's successful that they can be proud of or a life they can be proud of man of or a life they can be proud of man of or a life they can be proud of man see this is what kind of this is what see this is what kind of this is what see this is what kind of this is what sucks

sucks sucks about about about my life is that it's been very my life is that it's been very my life is that it's been very random random random and very spontaneous so unfortunately i and very spontaneous so unfortunately i and very spontaneous so unfortunately i don't get don't get don't get that thing where i could be like well that thing where i could be like well that thing where i could be like well here's what i did yeah because it's like here's what i did yeah because it's like here's what i did yeah because it's like i don't like i i don't like i i don't like i i inherited i inherited i inherited twelve thousand dollars from my twelve thousand dollars from my twelve thousand dollars from my grandmother here's what you do kids you grandmother here's what you do kids you grandmother here's what you do kids you inherit twelve thousand dollars when inherit twelve thousand dollars when inherit twelve thousand dollars when your grandmother dies and then you need your grandmother dies and then you need your grandmother dies and then you need to be dumb enough to think that that to be dumb enough to think that that to be dumb enough to think that that twelve thousand dollars is gonna help twelve thousand dollars is gonna help twelve thousand dollars is gonna help you live in la for a year so then what you live in la for a year so then what you live in la for a year so then what you do is you move to la with twelve you do is you move to la with twelve you do is you move to la with twelve thousand dollars thousand dollars thousand dollars and you find a shitty and you find a shitty and you find a shitty place that you live at and then you use place that you live at and then you use place that you live at and then you use that money to buy acid and synthesizers that money to buy acid and synthesizers that money to buy acid and synthesizers and then you run out of the money and and then you run out of the money and and then you run out of the money and then then then you and then you have to get a job you and then you have to get a job you and then you have to get a job and so then because you think it'll be and so then because you think it'll be and so then because you think it'll be fun to work at a comedy club fun to work at a comedy club fun to work at a comedy club you get a job at the comedy store and you get a job at the comedy store and you get a job at the comedy store and then then then you know that's how it happened for me you know that's how it happened for me you know that's how it happened for me and none of there wasn't i never was and none of there wasn't i never was and none of there wasn't i never was never had the confidence to be like oh never had the confidence to be like oh never had the confidence to be like oh i'm going to be a stand-up comedian i'm going to be a stand-up comedian i'm going to be a stand-up comedian no way i just thought it'd be cool to no way i just thought it'd be cool to no way i just thought it'd be cool to work in that building i thought the work in that building i thought the work in that building i thought the building looked cool and so building looked cool and so building looked cool and so but then like because like you work at but then like because like you work at but then like because like you work at the comedy store you get stage time it's the comedy store you get stage time it's the comedy store you get stage time it's there there there it's the reason like yours you work it's the reason like yours you work it's the reason like yours you work there is at least in those days because there is at least in those days because there is at least in those days because it's not like they're paying like a shit it's not like they're paying like a shit it's not like they're paying like a shit ton of money for you to answer phones at ton of money for you to answer phones at ton of money for you to answer phones at a comedy club a comedy club a comedy club and so and so and so you know i started going on stage and you know i started going on stage and you know i started going on stage and then like i just got lucky then like i just got lucky then like i just got lucky because rogan saw me have like a very

because rogan saw me have like a very because rogan saw me have like a very rare good set i didn't know he was in rare good set i didn't know he was in rare good set i didn't know he was in the room or out of bombed you know and the room or out of bombed you know and the room or out of bombed you know and then like because he thought i was funny then like because he thought i was funny then like because he thought i was funny and he liked talking to him he started and he liked talking to him he started and he liked talking to him he started taking me on the road with them and then taking me on the road with them and then taking me on the road with them and then you know so i don't know man i i think you know so i don't know man i i think you know so i don't know man i i think uh uh uh was there an element to there's a was there an element to there's a was there an element to there's a beautiful weirdness to you as a human beautiful weirdness to you as a human beautiful weirdness to you as a human being being being was there was there uh was there was there uh was there was there uh like a pressure to conform ever like a pressure to conform ever like a pressure to conform ever to hide yourself from the world to hide yourself from the world to hide yourself from the world or or the the twelve thousand dollars or or the the twelve thousand dollars or or the the twelve thousand dollars and the ass would give you the and the ass would give you the and the ass would give you the confidence you needed to be yourself no confidence you needed to be yourself no confidence you needed to be yourself no no i don't like i instill i'm no i i no i don't like i instill i'm no i i no i don't like i instill i'm no i i think think think sure there's that pressure and like you sure there's that pressure and like you sure there's that pressure and like you know know know whenever you're you're beginning to whenever you're you're beginning to whenever you're you're beginning to really differentiate from your parents really differentiate from your parents really differentiate from your parents but then you go back to hang out with but then you go back to hang out with but then you go back to hang out with your parents you'll feel you can feel your parents you'll feel you can feel your parents you'll feel you can feel that it's not like they even want you to that it's not like they even want you to that it's not like they even want you to conform but you'll just you could slip conform but you'll just you could slip conform but you'll just you could slip into that whatever that was so i into that whatever that was so i into that whatever that was so i remember that when i would go back and remember that when i would go back and remember that when i would go back and like like like visit them and stuff and surely visit them and stuff and surely visit them and stuff and surely conformity or the pressure to like conformity or the pressure to like conformity or the pressure to like not be individual or whatever it's not be individual or whatever it's not be individual or whatever it's everywhere man do you think you made everywhere man do you think you made everywhere man do you think you made your parents proud no no no no well i think that um no no no no well i think that um when my mom died when my mom died when my mom died i i felt successful in the sense that i i i felt successful in the sense that i i i felt successful in the sense that i was was was able to able to able to support my i was i was making money from support my i was i was making money from support my i was i was making money from doing stand-up in my i didn't need help

doing stand-up in my i didn't need help doing stand-up in my i didn't need help i was like as i was supporting myself i was like as i was supporting myself i was like as i was supporting myself with art and doing good what i thought with art and doing good what i thought with art and doing good what i thought was great then so was great then so was great then so and i think she like had because she had and i think she like had because she had and i think she like had because she had witnessed witnessed witnessed me literally failing i mean which is by me literally failing i mean which is by me literally failing i mean which is by the way i think part of if you want to the way i think part of if you want to the way i think part of if you want to be be be an artist or successful you you kind of an artist or successful you you kind of an artist or successful you you kind of have to fail like there if if have to fail like there if if have to fail like there if if and if there was a guaranteed and if there was a guaranteed and if there was a guaranteed route from route from route from sucking to not sucking or from sucking to not sucking or from sucking to not sucking or from like like like the neophyte phase of whatever the art the neophyte phase of whatever the art the neophyte phase of whatever the art form is and you know some intermediary form is and you know some intermediary form is and you know some intermediary phase then i think a lot more people phase then i think a lot more people phase then i think a lot more people would do it but would do it but would do it but there really is no guarantees in it there really is no guarantees in it there really is no guarantees in it especially the stand-up comedy it's like especially the stand-up comedy it's like especially the stand-up comedy it's like you'd have to be a maniac to want to you'd have to be a maniac to want to you'd have to be a maniac to want to think that that's going to work out for think that that's going to work out for think that that's going to work out for you you have to so you're going to you you have to so you're going to you you have to so you're going to there are obviously exceptions but there are obviously exceptions but there are obviously exceptions but for me it was like for me it was like for me it was like a long slog a long slog a long slog you know and that's scary for a mom so you know and that's scary for a mom so you know and that's scary for a mom so but that being said but that being said but that being said when she was when she was when she was dying like she did recognize that i was dying like she did recognize that i was dying like she did recognize that i was like not slogging anymore and she did like not slogging anymore and she did like not slogging anymore and she did say say say she said you did it she said you did it she said you did it and and and that's cool but that's cool but that's cool but and you know i would love for her to see and you know i would love for her to see and you know i would love for her to see me now like now it'd be way cooler but me now like now it'd be way cooler but me now like now it'd be way cooler but maybe she does i don't know she's maybe she does i don't know she's maybe she does i don't know she's listening to listening to listening to your podcast elsewhere in the other your podcast elsewhere in the other your podcast elsewhere in the other in the bardo in the bardo in the bardo yeah

yeah yeah yeah however long that lasts yeah however long that lasts yeah however long that lasts reconfiguring the whole process to start reconfiguring the whole process to start reconfiguring the whole process to start again again again um you're as a father now how did that um you're as a father now how did that um you're as a father now how did that change you change you change you yeah that's the big change man that's yeah that's the big change man that's yeah that's the big change man that's the thing you made you made a few the thing you made you made a few the thing you made you made a few biological biological biological i reproduce yeah i made biological i reproduce yeah i made biological i reproduce yeah i made biological entities i mean like what came in my entities i mean like what came in my entities i mean like what came in my wife let's face it like i would love to wife let's face it like i would love to wife let's face it like i would love to say i made them but the womb whipped say i made them but the womb whipped say i made them but the womb whipped them up um them up um them up um but but but it is the it is the it is the yeah it's the best it's i've never yeah it's the best it's i've never yeah it's the best it's i've never experienced anything like it experienced anything like it experienced anything like it before it is the before it is the before it is the as far as i'm concerned the greatest as far as i'm concerned the greatest as far as i'm concerned the greatest thing that has ever happened to me and thing that has ever happened to me and thing that has ever happened to me and and that's why i was able to answer your and that's why i was able to answer your and that's why i was able to answer your niechi question with like hell yes fuck niechi question with like hell yes fuck niechi question with like hell yes fuck yes that's great i get to be around my yes that's great i get to be around my yes that's great i get to be around my kids again i'll always be around my kids kids again i'll always be around my kids kids again i'll always be around my kids always be around my children always be around my children always be around my children that's incredible that's the joy so like that's incredible that's the joy so like that's incredible that's the joy so like so for me the part of myself that used to torture the part of myself that used to torture myself more especially like around like myself more especially like around like myself more especially like around like my mom dying feeling like i wasn't that my mom dying feeling like i wasn't that my mom dying feeling like i wasn't that there enough for her wishing that i had there enough for her wishing that i had there enough for her wishing that i had spent more time with her wishing i'd spent more time with her wishing i'd spent more time with her wishing i'd spent more time with my dad wishing that spent more time with my dad wishing that spent more time with my dad wishing that like like like you know looking back at like how like i you know looking back at like how like i you know looking back at like how like i was just so desperately trying to evade was just so desperately trying to evade was just so desperately trying to evade the fact that she the fact that she the fact that she was dying was dying was dying uh uh uh and through and in that evasion and through and in that evasion and through and in that evasion successfully like distanced myself from successfully like distanced myself from successfully like distanced myself from her and like her and like her and like in ways that i really wish i hadn't uh

i'm just saying that cause like it's one i'm just saying that cause like it's one of my regrets it's like a big regret i of my regrets it's like a big regret i of my regrets it's like a big regret i have a lot of little regrets but that's have a lot of little regrets but that's have a lot of little regrets but that's a big one and so a big one and so a big one and so when you have when you have when you have kids you look back you look back at everything you did and you think like at everything you did and you think like at everything you did and you think like fuck fuck fuck if i'd gone left at that point instead if i'd gone left at that point instead if i'd gone left at that point instead of right of right of right if i had eaten who knows what if i'd if i had eaten who knows what if i'd if i had eaten who knows what if i'd eaten like a turkey sandwich eaten like a turkey sandwich eaten like a turkey sandwich when my balls were when my balls were when my balls were creating the cum creating the cum creating the cum that was gonna make my kids would i have that was gonna make my kids would i have that was gonna make my kids would i have a different kid a different kid a different kid would this being not exist in my life would this being not exist in my life would this being not exist in my life like you start looking at everything and like you start looking at everything and like you start looking at everything and you realize like you realize like you realize like oh thank god thank god for every single oh thank god thank god for every single oh thank god thank god for every single thing that happened to me because it all thing that happened to me because it all thing that happened to me because it all led up to this and oh for me that is the led up to this and oh for me that is the led up to this and oh for me that is the that's that's that's that it's like it frees you in this it liberates you it frees you in this it liberates you because you realize like oh wow it's because you realize like oh wow it's because you realize like oh wow it's clumsy and selfish and clumsy and selfish and clumsy and selfish and and and at times rotten and and at times rotten and and at times rotten if i've as i've been in my life if i've as i've been in my life if i've as i've been in my life that did not impede that did not impede that did not impede the universe the universe the universe at all from allowing this these two at all from allowing this these two at all from allowing this these two beautiful beings to exist in the world beautiful beings to exist in the world beautiful beings to exist in the world so maybe all of it enabled all of it so maybe all of it enabled all of it so maybe all of it enabled all of it like a concert like a concert like a concert perfectly led up to that perfectly led up to that perfectly led up to that little beautiful moment little beautiful moment little beautiful moment is there ways is there ways is there ways you would like to be a better father oh

you would like to be a better father oh you would like to be a better father oh yeah for sure absolutely i there's a yeah for sure absolutely i there's a yeah for sure absolutely i there's a there's an actual there's an actual there's an actual i read something in a book it's called i read something in a book it's called i read something in a book it's called good enough the mantra for a parent good enough the mantra for a parent good enough the mantra for a parent good enough because when you are in the good enough because when you are in the good enough because when you are in the presence of something you love presence of something you love presence of something you love more than more than more than you've ever experienced love you you you want to be perfect like you wanna be you want to be perfect like you wanna be you want to be perfect like you wanna be i can't i gotta work man i gotta go on i can't i gotta work man i gotta go on i can't i gotta work man i gotta go on the road i've gotta work i gotta support the road i've gotta work i gotta support the road i've gotta work i gotta support the family so i that means i have to the family so i that means i have to the family so i that means i have to work like work like work like i work you know you know what it's like i work you know you know what it's like i work you know you know what it's like having a podcast you fucking work man having a podcast you fucking work man having a podcast you fucking work man and and and uh uh uh you know it's a full-time job because you know it's a full-time job because you know it's a full-time job because you know i do stand up too and all the you know i do stand up too and all the you know i do stand up too and all the other stuff so i feel other stuff so i feel other stuff so i feel so sometimes i i feel like oh my god i so sometimes i i feel like oh my god i so sometimes i i feel like oh my god i want to spend more time with him like i want to spend more time with him like i want to spend more time with him like i should be spending more time with him should be spending more time with him should be spending more time with him but then also but then also but then also i want to create i want to work i i like i want to create i want to work i i like i want to create i want to work i i like being like being like being like the provider the provider the provider so so so that's something i i feel guilty about that's something i i feel guilty about that's something i i feel guilty about you know right now and struggling how to you know right now and struggling how to you know right now and struggling how to balance that correctly balance that correctly balance that correctly and meanwhile time just marches on and meanwhile time just marches on and meanwhile time just marches on it just goes it goes it just goes it goes it just goes it goes and all of this and all of this and all of this will be forgotten will be forgotten will be forgotten both you and i both you and i both you and i but forgotten but forgotten but forgotten in time that's what i say to them every in time that's what i say to them every in time that's what i say to them every time i'm putting them to bed time i'm putting them to bed time i'm putting them to bed we we we we will be lost in the sands of time you we will be lost in the sands of time you we will be lost in the sands of time you know that i bet you know this poem you know that i bet you know this poem you know that i bet you know this poem you know that poem ozzy mandius yes

know that poem ozzy mandius yes know that poem ozzy mandius yes can i read you a plot can i read you a plot can i read you a plot okay let's let's end our conversation in the let's let's end our conversation in the poem i love it it's by poem i love it it's by poem i love it it's by pierce by shelley probably pierce by shelley probably pierce by shelley probably mispronouncing the name mispronouncing the name mispronouncing the name but i think the right way to pronounce but i think the right way to pronounce but i think the right way to pronounce it thank you thank you it thank you thank you it thank you thank you um um um i'm ozzy mandius i met a traveler from i'm ozzy mandius i met a traveler from i'm ozzy mandius i met a traveler from an antique land who said an antique land who said an antique land who said two vast and trunkless legs of stone two vast and trunkless legs of stone two vast and trunkless legs of stone stand in the desert near them on the stand in the desert near them on the stand in the desert near them on the sand half sunk as shattered visage lies sand half sunk as shattered visage lies sand half sunk as shattered visage lies whose frown and wrinkled lip and sneer whose frown and wrinkled lip and sneer whose frown and wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command of cold command of cold command tell that its sculptor well those tell that its sculptor well those tell that its sculptor well those passions read which yet survive stamped passions read which yet survive stamped passions read which yet survive stamped on these lifeless things the hand that on these lifeless things the hand that on these lifeless things the hand that mocked them and the heart that fed and mocked them and the heart that fed and mocked them and the heart that fed and on the pedestal these words appear on the pedestal these words appear on the pedestal these words appear my name is ozymandias king of kings look my name is ozymandias king of kings look my name is ozymandias king of kings look on my works ye mighty and despair on my works ye mighty and despair on my works ye mighty and despair nothing beside remains around the decay nothing beside remains around the decay nothing beside remains around the decay of that colossal wreck boundless and of that colossal wreck boundless and of that colossal wreck boundless and bare the lone and level sands stretch bare the lone and level sands stretch bare the lone and level sands stretch far away all gone all gone behold the the king look at my works ye behold the the king look at my works ye behold the the king look at my works ye mighty and despair mighty and despair mighty and despair and despair and despair and despair uh even though we'll be forgotten in the uh even though we'll be forgotten in the uh even though we'll be forgotten in the sands of time sands of time sands of time duncan i'm just so glad that you exist duncan i'm just so glad that you exist duncan i'm just so glad that you exist and you put so much love into the world

and you put so much love into the world and you put so much love into the world over the past many years that i've over the past many years that i've over the past many years that i've gotten a chance to enjoy it by being gotten a chance to enjoy it by being gotten a chance to enjoy it by being your fan your fan your fan thank you so much for continuing that thank you so much for continuing that thank you so much for continuing that and for sharing a bit of love with me and for sharing a bit of love with me and for sharing a bit of love with me today can we be friends let's be friends today can we be friends let's be friends today can we be friends let's be friends in real time in the real world in 3d in real time in the real world in 3d in real time in the real world in 3d space nothing is real but yes in this space nothing is real but yes in this space nothing is real but yes in this particular slice of the particular slice of the particular slice of the multi-dimensional world we live in multi-dimensional world we live in multi-dimensional world we live in it will be an honor and a pleasure thank it will be an honor and a pleasure thank it will be an honor and a pleasure thank you for having me on your show love you you for having me on your show love you you for having me on your show love you duncan i love you thank you lex duncan i love you thank you lex duncan i love you thank you lex thanks for listening to this thanks for listening to this thanks for listening to this conversation with duncan trussell to conversation with duncan trussell to conversation with duncan trussell to support this podcast please check out support this podcast please check out support this podcast please check out our sponsors in the description our sponsors in the description our sponsors in the description and now let me leave you with some words and now let me leave you with some words and now let me leave you with some words from duncan trestle himself from duncan trestle himself from duncan trestle himself you are essentially just a cloud of you are essentially just a cloud of you are essentially just a cloud of atoms atoms atoms that will eventually be aerosolized by that will eventually be aerosolized by that will eventually be aerosolized by time time time thank you for listening and hope to see thank you for listening and hope to see thank you for listening and hope to see you next time