Neil Adams: Judo, Olympics, Winning, Losing, and the Champion Mindset | Lex Fridman Podcast #427

when we go to the dojo there we all get when we go to the dojo there we all get thrown by people that never come out to thrown by people that never come out to thrown by people that never come out to be world champions you know they they're be world champions you know they they're be world champions you know they they're just in the mix or they're going through just in the mix or they're going through just in the mix or they're going through three years of University and then they three years of University and then they three years of University and then they go we we had a go we we had a go we we had a guy we had a guy that came in he was guy we had a guy that came in he was guy we had a guy that came in he was business guy came in with his suitcase business guy came in with his suitcase business guy came in with his suitcase and his tie up like that and he's he's and his tie up like that and he's he's and his tie up like that and he's he's in his lunch hour he's in his lunch hour in his lunch hour he's in his lunch hour in his lunch hour he's in his lunch hour right so it's got to be quick yeah so he right so it's got to be quick yeah so he right so it's got to be quick yeah so he comes in and he goes through he's comes in and he goes through he's comes in and he goes through he's working his way through the whole of the working his way through the whole of the working his way through the whole of the British team we're all lined up right 10 British team we're all lined up right 10 British team we're all lined up right 10 minutes later he's just TI his tie up minutes later he's just TI his tie up minutes later he's just TI his tie up like that you know and back to work like like that you know and back to work like like that you know and back to work like that you know imagine him sitting behind that you know imagine him sitting behind that you know imagine him sitting behind his desk and his computer yeah yeah I'm his desk and his computer yeah yeah I'm his desk and his computer yeah yeah I'm glad he didn't get glad he didn't get glad he didn't get out who do you think wins you I think out who do you think wins you I think out who do you think wins you I think you matched it but but you know wait you matched it but but you know wait you matched it but but you know wait whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa you think to be whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa you think to be whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa you think to be St rire I think St rire I think St rire I think so strong words the following is a conversation words the following is a conversation with with Neil Adams a legend in the with with Neil Adams a legend in the with with Neil Adams a legend in the sport of Judo he is a world champion sport of Judo he is a world champion sport of Judo he is a world champion two-time Olympic silver medalist two-time Olympic silver medalist two-time Olympic silver medalist five-time European champion and often five-time European champion and often five-time European champion and often referred to as the voice of Judo referred to as the voice of Judo referred to as the voice of Judo commentating all the major events World commentating all the major events World commentating all the major events World Championships and Olympic Games Championships and Olympic Games Championships and Olympic Games highlighting the drama the Triumph the highlighting the drama the Triumph the highlighting the drama the Triumph the Artistry of the sport of Judo making Artistry of the sport of Judo making Artistry of the sport of Judo making fans like me feel the biggest wins the fans like me feel the biggest wins the fans like me feel the biggest wins the biggest losses the surprise turns of biggest losses the surprise turns of biggest losses the surprise turns of Fortune the dominance of Champions Fortune the dominance of Champions Fortune the dominance of Champions coming to an end and new Champions

coming to an end and new Champions coming to an end and new Champions made always speaking from the made always speaking from the made always speaking from the heart this is the Le Freedman podcast to heart this is the Le Freedman podcast to heart this is the Le Freedman podcast to support it please check out our sponsors support it please check out our sponsors support it please check out our sponsors in the description and now dear friends in the description and now dear friends in the description and now dear friends here's Neil here's Neil here's Neil Adams you are a five-time European Adams you are a five-time European Adams you are a five-time European Champion world champion two-time Olympic Champion world champion two-time Olympic Champion world champion two-time Olympic silver medalist let's first go to the silver medalist let's first go to the silver medalist let's first go to the 1980 1980 1980 Olympics where was your mind what was Olympics where was your mind what was Olympics where was your mind what was your preparation like what was your your preparation like what was your your preparation like what was your strategy leading into that Olympics that strategy leading into that Olympics that strategy leading into that Olympics that was my first Olympic Games so my was my first Olympic Games so my was my first Olympic Games so my preparation was a little bit different preparation was a little bit different preparation was a little bit different to how it was the uh 84 and the 88 to how it was the uh 84 and the 88 to how it was the uh 84 and the 88 Olympic Games and um I'd kind of done Olympic Games and um I'd kind of done Olympic Games and um I'd kind of done part of the preparation as well for 76 part of the preparation as well for 76 part of the preparation as well for 76 Olympic Games I wasn't quite old enough Olympic Games I wasn't quite old enough Olympic Games I wasn't quite old enough for those but I was first Reserve so in for those but I was first Reserve so in for those but I was first Reserve so in 1980 I'd had four years buildup and I 1980 I'd had four years buildup and I 1980 I'd had four years buildup and I was hungry and I was one of these young was hungry and I was one of these young was hungry and I was one of these young athletes and I see them so often now athletes and I see them so often now athletes and I see them so often now that was developing and you know full of that was developing and you know full of that was developing and you know full of I won't say I full of myself but I was I I won't say I full of myself but I was I I won't say I full of myself but I was I was certainly confident of my ability was certainly confident of my ability was certainly confident of my ability and I wanted to conquer the world and and I wanted to conquer the world and and I wanted to conquer the world and I'd had a couple of really uh tight I'd had a couple of really uh tight I'd had a couple of really uh tight matches with the current Olympic world matches with the current Olympic world matches with the current Olympic world champion so I knew that uh there was champion so I knew that uh there was champion so I knew that uh there was possibility that I could get there for possibility that I could get there for possibility that I could get there for the 80 Olympics so uh building up to the the 80 Olympics so uh building up to the the 80 Olympics so uh building up to the at Olympics was um was quite interesting at Olympics was um was quite interesting at Olympics was um was quite interesting because I was kind of coming through the because I was kind of coming through the because I was kind of coming through the weights and I was halfway in between the

weights and I was halfway in between the weights and I was halfway in between the 71 kilos weight category and the um the 71 kilos weight category and the um the 71 kilos weight category and the um the higher weight category of 78 kgs and um higher weight category of 78 kgs and um higher weight category of 78 kgs and um I'd got third place at the 79 World I'd got third place at the 79 World I'd got third place at the 79 World Championships the weight below fought Championships the weight below fought Championships the weight below fought the whole year at the higher weight the whole year at the higher weight the whole year at the higher weight category didn't win a lose a contest so category didn't win a lose a contest so category didn't win a lose a contest so I'd beaten everybody in the world and uh I'd beaten everybody in the world and uh I'd beaten everybody in the world and uh and then I had to make decision as to and then I had to make decision as to and then I had to make decision as to whether to drop to the weight below whether to drop to the weight below whether to drop to the weight below because I was seeded in the weight below because I was seeded in the weight below because I was seeded in the weight below it was a different seeding then see and it was a different seeding then see and it was a different seeding then see and um so I decided to drop into the weight um so I decided to drop into the weight um so I decided to drop into the weight below because I was seated in the top below because I was seated in the top below because I was seated in the top four and um as it happens I think it was four and um as it happens I think it was four and um as it happens I think it was probably the worst decision I made well probably the worst decision I made well probably the worst decision I made well because simply because I mean it was the because simply because I mean it was the because simply because I mean it was the only contest that I lost was the final only contest that I lost was the final only contest that I lost was the final of the Olympic Games in that year so of the Olympic Games in that year so of the Olympic Games in that year so you're a young kid what like 1920 at you're a young kid what like 1920 at you're a young kid what like 1920 at that time full of confidence Vigor so that time full of confidence Vigor so that time full of confidence Vigor so the decision to cut we how hard was it the decision to cut we how hard was it the decision to cut we how hard was it for you to cut we to the 71 kg division for you to cut we to the 71 kg division for you to cut we to the 71 kg division I've got to say that it was the hardest I've got to say that it was the hardest I've got to say that it was the hardest because as I was going up I was you know because as I was going up I was you know because as I was going up I was you know it was 73 then it was 74 kilos 75 so I it was 73 then it was 74 kilos 75 so I it was 73 then it was 74 kilos 75 so I was moving through the weight category was moving through the weight category was moving through the weight category it wasn't like I was stuck in the middle it wasn't like I was stuck in the middle it wasn't like I was stuck in the middle and then I dropped the odd time to and then I dropped the odd time to and then I dropped the odd time to compete it was literally going up in compete it was literally going up in compete it was literally going up in weight um by a kilo every every month weight um by a kilo every every month weight um by a kilo every every month and then by the time I came to a month and then by the time I came to a month and then by the time I came to a month or two before the Olympics it was really

or two before the Olympics it was really or two before the Olympics it was really hard fought the European championships hard fought the European championships hard fought the European championships at the higher weight category and won at the higher weight category and won at the higher weight category and won that and so everybody that was in the on that and so everybody that was in the on that and so everybody that was in the on the Olympic rostrom um at the um the Olympic rostrom um at the um the Olympic rostrom um at the um European at the Olympic Games was on my European at the Olympic Games was on my European at the Olympic Games was on my rostom at the European championships so rostom at the European championships so rostom at the European championships so um was it a mistake yeah because I um was it a mistake yeah because I um was it a mistake yeah because I didn't have my diet sorted out my didn't have my diet sorted out my didn't have my diet sorted out my nutrition was appalling and when I you nutrition was appalling and when I you nutrition was appalling and when I you know it wasn't as kind of readily know it wasn't as kind of readily know it wasn't as kind of readily available as it is now for the nutrition available as it is now for the nutrition available as it is now for the nutrition and I would say that if um anything lost and I would say that if um anything lost and I would say that if um anything lost me that final other than the fact that I me that final other than the fact that I me that final other than the fact that I was fighting somebody was terrific you was fighting somebody was terrific you was fighting somebody was terrific you know he was a an excellent brilliant know he was a an excellent brilliant know he was a an excellent brilliant athlete but um definitely didn't help athlete but um definitely didn't help athlete but um definitely didn't help that my nutrition was was not very good that my nutrition was was not very good that my nutrition was was not very good okay so you lost to Etso G there's okay so you lost to Etso G there's okay so you lost to Etso G there's probably a lot of that we could say probably a lot of that we could say probably a lot of that we could say about that particular match maybe let's about that particular match maybe let's about that particular match maybe let's zoom in what were your strengths and zoom in what were your strengths and zoom in what were your strengths and weaknesses Judo wise in that Olympics weaknesses Judo wise in that Olympics weaknesses Judo wise in that Olympics you said you haven't really lost a match you said you haven't really lost a match you said you haven't really lost a match you won the European Championship you won the European Championship you won the European Championship leading into it but if you had weak leading into it but if you had weak leading into it but if you had weak spots okay you already said diet but spots okay you already said diet but spots okay you already said diet but specifically on the mat in terms of Judo specifically on the mat in terms of Judo specifically on the mat in terms of Judo I think that none of the fights lasted I think that none of the fights lasted I think that none of the fights lasted time going into the final you know so I time going into the final you know so I time going into the final you know so I I won fairly quickly and uh every match I won fairly quickly and uh every match I won fairly quickly and uh every match by ion you know way before time do you by ion you know way before time do you by ion you know way before time do you remember how do you remember how you you remember how do you remember how you you remember how do you remember how you you won the matches I won them by throw a won the matches I won them by throw a won the matches I won them by throw a couple of throws uh for ION and then couple of throws uh for ION and then couple of throws uh for ION and then armlock for ION semi-final was an arm

armlock for ION semi-final was an arm armlock for ION semi-final was an arm loock against the East German Krueger loock against the East German Krueger loock against the East German Krueger and uh yeah I just I was flying through and uh yeah I just I was flying through and uh yeah I just I was flying through you know who were the throws you you know who were the throws you you know who were the throws you remember taosi uchimata uh my favorite remember taosi uchimata uh my favorite remember taosi uchimata uh my favorite kind of um tku waso my favorite throws kind of um tku waso my favorite throws kind of um tku waso my favorite throws and uh and then a juuji katami as well and uh and then a juuji katami as well and uh and then a juuji katami as well to you know which was a juji katami role to you know which was a juji katami role to you know which was a juji katami role against an East German who I'd beaten against an East German who I'd beaten against an East German who I'd beaten before but always had a really tough before but always had a really tough before but always had a really tough match but uh managed to beat him well so match but uh managed to beat him well so match but uh managed to beat him well so you had a beautiful exhibition of a you had a beautiful exhibition of a you had a beautiful exhibition of a Japanese type Judo in the first two Japanese type Judo in the first two Japanese type Judo in the first two matches you threw people and then you matches you threw people and then you matches you threw people and then you also did the naaza you onbar a person also did the naaza you onbar a person also did the naaza you onbar a person great so going into the final what are great so going into the final what are great so going into the final what are the weaknesses going into the final the weaknesses going into the final the weaknesses going into the final against the Italian like I say taking against the Italian like I say taking against the Italian like I say taking nothing away from him as a great athlete nothing away from him as a great athlete nothing away from him as a great athlete and a brilliant Judo man and um and left and a brilliant Judo man and um and left and a brilliant Judo man and um and left which wasn't good for me that was which wasn't good for me that was which wasn't good for me that was definite no because I hated fighting definite no because I hated fighting definite no because I hated fighting lefties still do but I'll tell you why lefties still do but I'll tell you why lefties still do but I'll tell you why in a minute I just it's one of those and in a minute I just it's one of those and in a minute I just it's one of those and but I think as I went through the but I think as I went through the but I think as I went through the contest we we had an8 hour break from contest we we had an8 hour break from contest we we had an8 hour break from the semi-final to the final they took us the semi-final to the final they took us the semi-final to the final they took us back to the Olympic Village then we had back to the Olympic Village then we had back to the Olympic Village then we had to come back in and then we had to start to come back in and then we had to start to come back in and then we had to start a warm-up again you know so I kind of a warm-up again you know so I kind of a warm-up again you know so I kind of lost my momentum I had to start again lost my momentum I had to start again lost my momentum I had to start again and I never I didn't I just didn't I had and I never I didn't I just didn't I had and I never I didn't I just didn't I had a job to get going I got halfway through a job to get going I got halfway through a job to get going I got halfway through start started to rescue a dying match start started to rescue a dying match start started to rescue a dying match and um you know I was kind of one step and um you know I was kind of one step and um you know I was kind of one step half a step behind all the way through half a step behind all the way through half a step behind all the way through so never really got into it so why do

so never really got into it so why do so never really got into it so why do you hate fighting lefties and lefties you hate fighting lefties and lefties you hate fighting lefties and lefties are we should say over are we should say over are we should say over represented in terms of uh the higher represented in terms of uh the higher represented in terms of uh the higher ranks of Judo I don't know why that is ranks of Judo I don't know why that is ranks of Judo I don't know why that is well you know the thing is about a lefty well you know the thing is about a lefty well you know the thing is about a lefty is a lefty will have more opportunity to is a lefty will have more opportunity to is a lefty will have more opportunity to fight right is you know right-handers fight right is you know right-handers fight right is you know right-handers because I mean 70 70% of the population because I mean 70 70% of the population because I mean 70 70% of the population are right-handers 30% left so they get are right-handers 30% left so they get are right-handers 30% left so they get to fight more to fight more to fight more right-handers and um it's just a fact right-handers and um it's just a fact right-handers and um it's just a fact you know that happens so uh the thing you know that happens so uh the thing you know that happens so uh the thing that they hate is fighting left against that they hate is fighting left against that they hate is fighting left against left they don't like go they would they left they don't like go they would they left they don't like go they would they don't like it left against left whereas don't like it left against left whereas don't like it left against left whereas a right-hander will go right against a right-hander will go right against a right-hander will go right against right you know but but the opposite is right you know but but the opposite is right you know but but the opposite is awkward um for me because just simply I awkward um for me because just simply I awkward um for me because just simply I like to go onto the uh sleeve and then I like to go onto the uh sleeve and then I like to go onto the uh sleeve and then I like to dominate the grips but the like to dominate the grips but the like to dominate the grips but the actual angle of the uh of the opponent actual angle of the uh of the opponent actual angle of the uh of the opponent wasn't what I wanted you know so I had wasn't what I wanted you know so I had wasn't what I wanted you know so I had to work hard really hard against it what to work hard really hard against it what to work hard really hard against it what happened in that happened in that happened in that match um it was a split decision in the match um it was a split decision in the match um it was a split decision in the end and so to lose an Olympic Final on a end and so to lose an Olympic Final on a end and so to lose an Olympic Final on a split decision is is pretty um you know split decision is is pretty um you know split decision is is pretty um you know it's something that's still on my mind it's something that's still on my mind it's something that's still on my mind and you know I think that it's a strange and you know I think that it's a strange and you know I think that it's a strange one because I can still wake up one because I can still wake up one because I can still wake up that one and and four years later at the that one and and four years later at the that one and and four years later at the Olympics cuz I was silver medalist at Olympics cuz I was silver medalist at Olympics cuz I was silver medalist at the the Olympics four years later as the the Olympics four years later as the the Olympics four years later as well and uh yeah it still haunts me do

well and uh yeah it still haunts me do well and uh yeah it still haunts me do you sometimes wake up and think like man you sometimes wake up and think like man you sometimes wake up and think like man I should have eaten better or like or I should have eaten better or like or I should have eaten better or like or maybe like a specific grip that you're maybe like a specific grip that you're maybe like a specific grip that you're like I shouldn't have taken that grip I like I shouldn't have taken that grip I like I shouldn't have taken that grip I do you know I mean the diet side of it do you know I mean the diet side of it do you know I mean the diet side of it it's it's difficult to ex you know to to it's it's difficult to ex you know to to it's it's difficult to ex you know to to Really admit that isn't it that you uh Really admit that isn't it that you uh Really admit that isn't it that you uh you went to an Olympic Games and the one you went to an Olympic Games and the one you went to an Olympic Games and the one thing that you really sucked at right thing that you really sucked at right thing that you really sucked at right was one of the most important things now was one of the most important things now was one of the most important things now um at at World level sport you know um at at World level sport you know um at at World level sport you know where you've got the nutrition you know where you've got the nutrition you know where you've got the nutrition you know we've got it you would think that most we've got it you would think that most we've got it you would think that most people have got it sorted but there's people have got it sorted but there's people have got it sorted but there's still people making mistakes and still still people making mistakes and still still people making mistakes and still people that haven't got it totally people that haven't got it totally people that haven't got it totally sorted and then there's people like sorted and then there's people like sorted and then there's people like Travis Stevens who I think doesn't care Travis Stevens who I think doesn't care Travis Stevens who I think doesn't care he'll just have atrocious nutrition and he'll just have atrocious nutrition and he'll just have atrocious nutrition and he just makes it work I think the way he he just makes it work I think the way he he just makes it work I think the way he spoke about it is spoke about it is spoke about it is you can't always control nutrition so you can't always control nutrition so you can't always control nutrition so it's best to get good at having crappy it's best to get good at having crappy it's best to get good at having crappy nutrition it's a good way of looking at nutrition it's a good way of looking at nutrition it's a good way of looking at it I never yeah maybe that's what I did it I never yeah maybe that's what I did it I never yeah maybe that's what I did exactly exactly do you remember what you exactly exactly do you remember what you exactly exactly do you remember what you were eating we talking about like candy were eating we talking about like candy were eating we talking about like candy or yeah well I got a sweet tooth you but or yeah well I got a sweet tooth you but or yeah well I got a sweet tooth you but I wasn't it wasn't really I mean I I wasn't it wasn't really I mean I I wasn't it wasn't really I mean I didn't have a lot of money at that didn't have a lot of money at that didn't have a lot of money at that particular time either you know so uh particular time either you know so uh particular time either you know so uh the diet wasn't steak and and uh you the diet wasn't steak and and uh you the diet wasn't steak and and uh you know good nutritional salads and things know good nutritional salads and things know good nutritional salads and things like that you know I I did what I like that you know I I did what I like that you know I I did what I thought was best without you know proper thought was best without you know proper thought was best without you know proper advice and the crazy thing is is that I advice and the crazy thing is is that I advice and the crazy thing is is that I had such good advice as well you know had such good advice as well you know had such good advice as well you know when it came to kind of Fitness training

when it came to kind of Fitness training when it came to kind of Fitness training and things like that we're quite ahead and things like that we're quite ahead and things like that we're quite ahead of our time and you know we really had of our time and you know we really had of our time and you know we really had it nailed uh as far as the conditioning it nailed uh as far as the conditioning it nailed uh as far as the conditioning was concerned the Judo training as well was concerned the Judo training as well was concerned the Judo training as well was uh was way in advance because I was was uh was way in advance because I was was uh was way in advance because I was a good trainer and I trained more than a good trainer and I trained more than a good trainer and I trained more than most I would uh I can honestly say that most I would uh I can honestly say that most I would uh I can honestly say that it probably uh got me away with a you it probably uh got me away with a you it probably uh got me away with a you know a lot where was your mind so mental know a lot where was your mind so mental know a lot where was your mind so mental preparation going into that Olympics you preparation going into that Olympics you preparation going into that Olympics you said you were confident but is there said you were confident but is there said you were confident but is there some preparation aspect behind that some preparation aspect behind that some preparation aspect behind that confidence I think in the early days I confidence I think in the early days I confidence I think in the early days I didn't think I was going to lose I never didn't think I was going to lose I never didn't think I was going to lose I never thought it was possible to lose and I thought it was possible to lose and I thought it was possible to lose and I think that I went into every contest think that I went into every contest think that I went into every contest expecting to win so when it didn't quite expecting to win so when it didn't quite expecting to win so when it didn't quite go my way I didn't lose that many go my way I didn't lose that many go my way I didn't lose that many contests you know so the only ones I contests you know so the only ones I contests you know so the only ones I lost were in the final of the world lost were in the final of the world lost were in the final of the world championships or in the final of the championships or in the final of the championships or in the final of the Olympic Games so I didn't lose that many Olympic Games so I didn't lose that many Olympic Games so I didn't lose that many I never lost a European title you know I I never lost a European title you know I I never lost a European title you know I had seven uh Golds at European had seven uh Golds at European had seven uh Golds at European championships you know five at uh championships you know five at uh championships you know five at uh seniors two at Juniors under 20s and I seniors two at Juniors under 20s and I seniors two at Juniors under 20s and I never I never lost the final you know so never I never lost the final you know so never I never lost the final you know so it was and then I only lost two on a it was and then I only lost two on a it was and then I only lost two on a split decision you know so it was I split decision you know so it was I split decision you know so it was I didn't lose that many but and and my didn't lose that many but and and my didn't lose that many but and and my attitude was that I wasn't going to lose attitude was that I wasn't going to lose attitude was that I wasn't going to lose and I I couldn't lose you know so I was and I I couldn't lose you know so I was and I I couldn't lose you know so I was always always always surprised uh when I did when I you know surprised uh when I did when I you know surprised uh when I did when I you know something something something happened in uh Neil Adams a life in Judo happened in uh Neil Adams a life in Judo happened in uh Neil Adams a life in Judo written in 1986 you wrote ever since I written in 1986 you wrote ever since I written in 1986 you wrote ever since I can remember I have wanted to win it

can remember I have wanted to win it can remember I have wanted to win it wasn't the ordinary feeling that wasn't the ordinary feeling that wasn't the ordinary feeling that children have when they take part in children have when they take part in children have when they take part in their first Primary School sack Grace on their first Primary School sack Grace on their first Primary School sack Grace on a grass track or even the Keen a grass track or even the Keen a grass track or even the Keen determination of a young swimmer determination of a young swimmer determination of a young swimmer prepared to Train Early in the cold prepared to Train Early in the cold prepared to Train Early in the cold winter Mornings in order to make it into winter Mornings in order to make it into winter Mornings in order to make it into the county side with me the desire to the county side with me the desire to the county side with me the desire to win was and still is as much a part of win was and still is as much a part of win was and still is as much a part of me as my arms and legs in other words it me as my arms and legs in other words it me as my arms and legs in other words it wasn't something I learned As I Grew wasn't something I learned As I Grew wasn't something I learned As I Grew Older but rather was deeply rooted in me Older but rather was deeply rooted in me Older but rather was deeply rooted in me perhaps this competitive instinct is the perhaps this competitive instinct is the perhaps this competitive instinct is the greatest difference between my Public greatest difference between my Public greatest difference between my Public Image and the view from the inside so Image and the view from the inside so Image and the view from the inside so people see the kindness the uh the people see the kindness the uh the people see the kindness the uh the warmth you have the the Charisma the warmth you have the the Charisma the warmth you have the the Charisma the excitement but there's this big drive to excitement but there's this big drive to excitement but there's this big drive to win inside you so what's behind that can win inside you so what's behind that can win inside you so what's behind that can can you just speak to that that drive to can you just speak to that that drive to can you just speak to that that drive to win and how that contributed to your you win and how that contributed to your you win and how that contributed to your you know when when I when I look back now know when when I when I look back now know when when I when I look back now that's a there a lot of years ago we that's a there a lot of years ago we that's a there a lot of years ago we should say it is a lot of years ago you should say it is a lot of years ago you should say it is a lot of years ago you know is that true or not far off no you know is that true or not far off no you know is that true or not far off no you know it's not when I think about it now know it's not when I think about it now know it's not when I think about it now because I'm I'd like to think that I'm a because I'm I'd like to think that I'm a because I'm I'd like to think that I'm a different person now and you know since different person now and you know since different person now and you know since I've kind of calmed down I I see I've kind of calmed down I I see I've kind of calmed down I I see athletes now and I see them they they athletes now and I see them they they athletes now and I see them they they are you know and they they're kind of are you know and they they're kind of are you know and they they're kind of arrogance they they're walk and it's a arrogance they they're walk and it's a arrogance they they're walk and it's a strut you know and it's it's a kind of a strut you know and it's it's a kind of a strut you know and it's it's a kind of a confidence isn't it you know and and we confidence isn't it you know and and we confidence isn't it you know and and we as we're older and as I've become older as we're older and as I've become older as we're older and as I've become older i' I've calmed down and but you know it

i' I've calmed down and but you know it i' I've calmed down and but you know it doesn't matter what I'm doing it's still doesn't matter what I'm doing it's still doesn't matter what I'm doing it's still that will to to win you know and and I'm that will to to win you know and and I'm that will to to win you know and and I'm much better at masking it now if I don't much better at masking it now if I don't much better at masking it now if I don't but it still bothers me as much you're but it still bothers me as much you're but it still bothers me as much you're talking about like I don't know even talking about like I don't know even talking about like I don't know even just like stupid silly things like like just like stupid silly things like like just like stupid silly things like like I don't know a game of pool or something I don't know a game of pool or something I don't know a game of pool or something like this or just anything yeah I'm like this or just anything yeah I'm like this or just anything yeah I'm still trying to win you know like so my still trying to win you know like so my still trying to win you know like so my son loves to uh he loves to play me at son loves to uh he loves to play me at son loves to uh he loves to play me at balls because I'm useless you know and balls because I'm useless you know and balls because I'm useless you know and I'm I just can't throw a straight ball I'm I just can't throw a straight ball I'm I just can't throw a straight ball so he loves playing with that you know so he loves playing with that you know so he loves playing with that you know but it bugs me that I'm not better you but it bugs me that I'm not better you but it bugs me that I'm not better you know and um there are certain things know and um there are certain things know and um there are certain things that I do it really bugs me when I'm not that I do it really bugs me when I'm not that I do it really bugs me when I'm not good at it and I guess it's one of the good at it and I guess it's one of the good at it and I guess it's one of the reasons that uh you know long after I'd reasons that uh you know long after I'd reasons that uh you know long after I'd finished competition know people still finished competition know people still finished competition know people still want to train with you you know and even want to train with you you know and even want to train with you you know and even at a like kind of um an older age even at a like kind of um an older age even at a like kind of um an older age even now if I doing a seminar or you know now if I doing a seminar or you know now if I doing a seminar or you know they still you know do you still do do they still you know do you still do do they still you know do you still do do you do you want to still go and can I you do you want to still go and can I you do you want to still go and can I feel it and you know what one of the feel it and you know what one of the feel it and you know what one of the things that's in me is that I just uh things that's in me is that I just uh things that's in me is that I just uh all the way up to 40 years of age so all the way up to 40 years of age so all the way up to 40 years of age so from 30 when I finished competition up from 30 when I finished competition up from 30 when I finished competition up to 40 I could still train with the best to 40 I could still train with the best to 40 I could still train with the best and I could still go with anybody and and I could still go with anybody and and I could still go with anybody and then when 40 hit kind of things started then when 40 hit kind of things started then when 40 hit kind of things started to fall off a little bit you know I used to fall off a little bit you know I used to fall off a little bit you know I used to get you know either my hips all my to get you know either my hips all my to get you know either my hips all my the legs and my knees and and I realized the legs and my knees and and I realized the legs and my knees and and I realized that I had to pick my practices and that that I had to pick my practices and that that I had to pick my practices and that wrinkled as well and I had to then just

wrinkled as well and I had to then just wrinkled as well and I had to then just calm it down a little bit otherwise I calm it down a little bit otherwise I calm it down a little bit otherwise I was going to be injured and I was going was going to be injured and I was going was going to be injured and I was going to be U you know it's it's not a good to be U you know it's it's not a good to be U you know it's it's not a good thing when you're getting older and you thing when you're getting older and you thing when you're getting older and you you've still got the same competitive you've still got the same competitive you've still got the same competitive mind but things change so it's still mind but things change so it's still mind but things change so it's still there you get on a on the mat there you get on a on the mat there you get on a on the mat probably even now right you get on the probably even now right you get on the probably even now right you get on the mat with a world champion you're you're mat with a world champion you're you're mat with a world champion you're you're still the current world champion there's still the current world champion there's still the current world champion there's still a little part of you could I still still a little part of you could I still still a little part of you could I still toss this guy you know kids these days toss this guy you know kids these days toss this guy you know kids these days are soft I well you know what some of are soft I well you know what some of are soft I well you know what some of these athletes I mean like I give you a these athletes I mean like I give you a these athletes I mean like I give you a prime example right is ilas il all right prime example right is ilas il all right prime example right is ilas il all right I mean he is a monster right and you I mean he is a monster right and you I mean he is a monster right and you just of course you couldn't you know just of course you couldn't you know just of course you couldn't you know because the just at 60 something you because the just at 60 something you because the just at 60 something you couldn't but you like to think that you couldn't but you like to think that you couldn't but you like to think that you could you know you could you never know could you know you could you never know could you know you could you never know you got find out you know what you would you got find out you know what you would you got find out you know what you would do what you can do is you can cause them do what you can do is you can cause them do what you can do is you can cause them problems but and they feel it problems but and they feel it problems but and they feel it immediately but you'd last a minute you immediately but you'd last a minute you immediately but you'd last a minute you know so you've trained with artist I know so you've trained with artist I know so you've trained with artist I gotten a chance to train with them as gotten a chance to train with them as gotten a chance to train with them as well he's a really nice guy really great well he's a really nice guy really great well he's a really nice guy really great guy he trained with me we were training guy he trained with me we were training guy he trained with me we were training together every hotel that we used to go together every hotel that we used to go together every hotel that we used to go into we'd end up in the gym together and into we'd end up in the gym together and into we'd end up in the gym together and we train and this one time he was in we train and this one time he was in we train and this one time he was in there and he just wanted somebody to to there and he just wanted somebody to to there and he just wanted somebody to to grab and grip hold of and so we ended up grab and grip hold of and so we ended up grab and grip hold of and so we ended up doing this kind of grappling in the doing this kind of grappling in the doing this kind of grappling in the middle of you like the people doing middle of you like the people doing middle of you like the people doing weight training and you know the weight training and you know the weight training and you know the different things watching these two Mad different things watching these two Mad different things watching these two Mad Men doing uh I'm glad we weren't on a Men doing uh I'm glad we weren't on a Men doing uh I'm glad we weren't on a mat at that particular time yeah but mat at that particular time yeah but mat at that particular time yeah but good fun what do you think about that good fun what do you think about that good fun what do you think about that guy he like you achieved a lot of

guy he like you achieved a lot of guy he like you achieved a lot of success when he was young 17 you imagine success when he was young 17 you imagine success when he was young 17 you imagine that 17 18 years of age and uh he's able that 17 18 years of age and uh he's able that 17 18 years of age and uh he's able to compete with the men there's not many to compete with the men there's not many to compete with the men there's not many men can do that you know and it doesn't men can do that you know and it doesn't men can do that you know and it doesn't happen happen happen very often it happens later with the men very often it happens later with the men very often it happens later with the men and often they're not physically as and often they're not physically as and often they're not physically as developed as they you know so from me developed as they you know so from me developed as they you know so from me for example I fought nerov uh who was for example I fought nerov uh who was for example I fought nerov uh who was World Olympic champion he was the World Olympic champion he was the World Olympic champion he was the current world Olympic champion they sent current world Olympic champion they sent current world Olympic champion they sent me to the European Championship senior me to the European Championship senior me to the European Championship senior at at at 17 and so that doesn't happen very often 17 and so that doesn't happen very often 17 and so that doesn't happen very often and I thought I pulled neov so I fought and I thought I pulled neov so I fought and I thought I pulled neov so I fought neov and he I had him really worried you neov and he I had him really worried you neov and he I had him really worried you know because I he Ed without a doubt to know because I he Ed without a doubt to know because I he Ed without a doubt to come out throw this kid you know and come out throw this kid you know and come out throw this kid you know and Junior and he was like thick and Junior and he was like thick and Junior and he was like thick and shredded like he's he was shredded he's shredded like he's he was shredded he's shredded like he's he was shredded he's like there's a picture of him in his like there's a picture of him in his like there's a picture of him in his judogi and his judogi is just cut it's j judogi and his judogi is just cut it's j judogi and his judogi is just cut it's j know and he and he looks the business know and he and he looks the business know and he and he looks the business and there's me in this baggy and there's me in this baggy and there's me in this baggy like yeah skinny kid inside this baggy like yeah skinny kid inside this baggy like yeah skinny kid inside this baggy thing but I you know I and the thing was thing but I you know I and the thing was thing but I you know I and the thing was is that the more he tried and the harder is that the more he tried and the harder is that the more he tried and the harder he tried and the more he panicked the he tried and the more he panicked the he tried and the more he panicked the further it went away from him and uh so further it went away from him and uh so further it went away from him and uh so you know of course he got he got the you know of course he got he got the you know of course he got he got the decision at the end and deservedly but I decision at the end and deservedly but I decision at the end and deservedly but I worried him you know and so and uh and worried him you know and so and uh and worried him you know and so and uh and so for me that was a massive step so for me that was a massive step so for me that was a massive step forward because year later I was you forward because year later I was you forward because year later I was you know starting to fill out and uh two

know starting to fill out and uh two know starting to fill out and uh two years later I was competing for the years later I was competing for the years later I was competing for the Olympic title so I don't know if I Olympic title so I don't know if I Olympic title so I don't know if I remember but ilas ilas is interesting remember but ilas ilas is interesting remember but ilas ilas is interesting because even at 17 I feel like he was because even at 17 I feel like he was because even at 17 I feel like he was doing big throws like uh literally doing big throws like uh literally doing big throws like uh literally lifting them with it just rips them out lifting them with it just rips them out lifting them with it just rips them out the ground you know and I was saying to the ground you know and I was saying to the ground you know and I was saying to uh to Nikki you know my wife and we uh uh to Nikki you know my wife and we uh uh to Nikki you know my wife and we uh she said what would you do now that was she said what would you do now that was she said what would you do now that was different than the what you did then you different than the what you did then you different than the what you did then you know and I I never had any pickups you know and I I never had any pickups you know and I I never had any pickups you know I didn't that's not that's not what know I didn't that's not that's not what know I didn't that's not that's not what we did you know but you have a look at we did you know but you have a look at we did you know but you have a look at the um the young uh Ukraine or the the the um the young uh Ukraine or the the the um the young uh Ukraine or the the you know the young Russians or the young you know the young Russians or the young you know the young Russians or the young um Eastern block uh Mongolians and um Eastern block uh Mongolians and um Eastern block uh Mongolians and they're ripping people out the ground I they're ripping people out the ground I they're ripping people out the ground I mean it's it's just different style of mean it's it's just different style of mean it's it's just different style of Judo and it's it it just looks different Judo and it's it it just looks different Judo and it's it it just looks different but now they're starting to do a but now they're starting to do a but now they're starting to do a traditional style Judo as well so can traditional style Judo as well so can traditional style Judo as well so can you speak to that what the different you speak to that what the different you speak to that what the different styles of Judo so for you you mentioned styles of Judo so for you you mentioned styles of Judo so for you you mentioned uchim taoshi these these uh how would uchim taoshi these these uh how would uchim taoshi these these uh how would you describe them they're like these you describe them they're like these you describe them they're like these effortless less lifting off the ground effortless less lifting off the ground effortless less lifting off the ground and power and like strength and explo and power and like strength and explo and power and like strength and explo and more timing and position movement and more timing and position movement and more timing and position movement momentum all kind of stuff that's more momentum all kind of stuff that's more momentum all kind of stuff that's more traditionally associated with Japanese traditionally associated with Japanese traditionally associated with Japanese Judo cuz like for Japanese Judo the Judo cuz like for Japanese Judo the Judo cuz like for Japanese Judo the traditional Judo like you're supposed to traditional Judo like you're supposed to traditional Judo like you're supposed to throw people in a big way without much throw people in a big way without much throw people in a big way without much effort and of effort and of effort and of course we uh 1990 we saw the course we uh 1990 we saw the course we uh 1990 we saw the introduction of all these um Eastern introduction of all these um Eastern introduction of all these um Eastern block countries you know the block countries you know the block countries you know the um there were so many more I mean it was

um there were so many more I mean it was um there were so many more I mean it was Soviet Union when I was competing and Soviet Union when I was competing and Soviet Union when I was competing and then of course in 1990 everything then of course in 1990 everything then of course in 1990 everything changed and then there were so many more changed and then there were so many more changed and then there were so many more of them out there different countries of them out there different countries of them out there different countries where you know that that their wrestling where you know that that their wrestling where you know that that their wrestling styles were were introduced into Judah styles were were introduced into Judah styles were were introduced into Judah you know put a jacket on them and let's you know put a jacket on them and let's you know put a jacket on them and let's get into Judah so Judo kind of changed get into Judah so Judo kind of changed get into Judah so Judo kind of changed shape it it changed shape from this shape it it changed shape from this shape it it changed shape from this ight standing you know that and and ight standing you know that and and ight standing you know that and and having to know the technicalities of how having to know the technicalities of how having to know the technicalities of how to get a a body that's weighing 40 you to get a a body that's weighing 40 you to get a a body that's weighing 40 you know um uh 14 stone or you know whatever know um uh 14 stone or you know whatever know um uh 14 stone or you know whatever it is up into the air and uh using them it is up into the air and uh using them it is up into the air and uh using them momentum and the balance and the momentum and the balance and the momentum and the balance and the direction and and and the skill to do direction and and and the skill to do direction and and and the skill to do that and knowing how to do it you know that and knowing how to do it you know that and knowing how to do it you know and how to use movement and then you get and how to use movement and then you get and how to use movement and then you get you know the wrestlers and and and the you know the wrestlers and and and the you know the wrestlers and and and the the leg picks and the double leg single the leg picks and the double leg single the leg picks and the double leg single leg double legs and you know and it kind leg double legs and you know and it kind leg double legs and you know and it kind of by of by of by 1995 you know Judo was was bent over and 1995 you know Judo was was bent over and 1995 you know Judo was was bent over and so it was the ioc that went to igf so it was the ioc that went to igf so it was the ioc that went to igf International Judah Federation and they International Judah Federation and they International Judah Federation and they said you got to change this or we're said you got to change this or we're said you got to change this or we're just going to have have one wrestling just going to have have one wrestling just going to have have one wrestling sty it looks like wrestling with Judah sty it looks like wrestling with Judah sty it looks like wrestling with Judah uh with Judo jackets on so you either uh with Judo jackets on so you either uh with Judo jackets on so you either change it or we're going to take one of change it or we're going to take one of change it or we're going to take one of you out by the way we should sort of you out by the way we should sort of you out by the way we should sort of clarify when we say people are bent over clarify when we say people are bent over clarify when we say people are bent over that's usually how you see Freestyle that's usually how you see Freestyle that's usually how you see Freestyle Wrestling wrestlers are more bent over Wrestling wrestlers are more bent over Wrestling wrestlers are more bent over to defend the legs and so on and to defend the legs and so on and to defend the legs and so on and traditional Judo people are more traditional Judo people are more traditional Judo people are more standing up because that's the position standing up because that's the position standing up because that's the position for which you can do the big throws and for which you can do the big throws and for which you can do the big throws and all that kind of stuff but uh I think

all that kind of stuff but uh I think all that kind of stuff but uh I think the other case to make for uh Banning the other case to make for uh Banning the other case to make for uh Banning leg grabs is you know a lot of people leg grabs is you know a lot of people leg grabs is you know a lot of people are using it for stalling and not for are using it for stalling and not for are using it for stalling and not for beautiful big throws and all that kind beautiful big throws and all that kind beautiful big throws and all that kind of stuff so it's not just not to make it of stuff so it's not just not to make it of stuff so it's not just not to make it different from wrestling it's it's also different from wrestling it's it's also different from wrestling it's it's also like you want to maximize the amount of like you want to maximize the amount of like you want to maximize the amount of Epic throws and uh Dynamic Judo and Epic throws and uh Dynamic Judo and Epic throws and uh Dynamic Judo and exciting stuff to watch right win by exciting stuff to watch right win by exciting stuff to watch right win by Judo not not by wrestling and I think Judo not not by wrestling and I think Judo not not by wrestling and I think that you know the ones that were that you know the ones that were that you know the ones that were shouting about it were the wrestlers shouting about it were the wrestlers shouting about it were the wrestlers right because they they they like to right because they they they like to right because they they they like to compete with both they like they want to compete with both they like they want to compete with both they like they want to do both they want to do you know their do both they want to do you know their do both they want to do you know their wrestling matches and then come into J wrestling matches and then come into J wrestling matches and then come into J so what basically I mean what what we've so what basically I mean what what we've so what basically I mean what what we've said is then learn to do Judo and said is then learn to do Judo and said is then learn to do Judo and there's nothing stopping you then from there's nothing stopping you then from there's nothing stopping you then from doing both right but not from the other doing both right but not from the other doing both right but not from the other way around all right so rules always way around all right so rules always way around all right so rules always dictate development they'll always dictate development they'll always dictate development they'll always dictate which direction it goes so if dictate which direction it goes so if dictate which direction it goes so if you introduce a rule that states that you introduce a rule that states that you introduce a rule that states that you cannot dive at the legs and just you cannot dive at the legs and just you cannot dive at the legs and just pick up um then you'll have to do it pick up um then you'll have to do it pick up um then you'll have to do it standing up and also it increases the standing up and also it increases the standing up and also it increases the possibility of Defense with the hips possibility of Defense with the hips possibility of Defense with the hips because actually um good defense Judo because actually um good defense Judo because actually um good defense Judo wise standing up is with the hips as wise standing up is with the hips as wise standing up is with the hips as opposed to sticking your arms out and opposed to sticking your arms out and opposed to sticking your arms out and then sticking your backsides out there then sticking your backsides out there then sticking your backsides out there just to defend all right so if you just to defend all right so if you just to defend all right so if you attack me and I I I move my body in the attack me and I I I move my body in the attack me and I I I move my body in the wrong place so I'm in the right wrong wrong place so I'm in the right wrong wrong place so I'm in the right wrong place at the right time so you don't hit place at the right time so you don't hit place at the right time so you don't hit the right Target and then also I use my

the right Target and then also I use my the right Target and then also I use my hips you know so uh again it's it's a hips you know so uh again it's it's a hips you know so uh again it's it's a form of uh Judo that um was being lost form of uh Judo that um was being lost form of uh Judo that um was being lost so now we got it back so let's go there so now we got it back so let's go there so now we got it back so let's go there let's let's speak about let's let's speak about let's let's speak about Judo as if we're talking to a group of Judo as if we're talking to a group of Judo as if we're talking to a group of 5-year-olds so what what is Judo what 5-year-olds so what what is Judo what 5-year-olds so what what is Judo what are some defining characteristics of are some defining characteristics of are some defining characteristics of Judo as a sport as a way as a martial Judo as a sport as a way as a martial Judo as a sport as a way as a martial art as a way of life all that kind of art as a way of life all that kind of art as a way of life all that kind of stuff I think you know when you say it stuff I think you know when you say it stuff I think you know when you say it as a way of life I mean the um I think as a way of life I mean the um I think as a way of life I mean the um I think the the great advantage that we have in the the great advantage that we have in the the great advantage that we have in Judo my young grandson so I got two two Judo my young grandson so I got two two Judo my young grandson so I got two two little boys that are three and a half little boys that are three and a half little boys that are three and a half years of age love going to our Dojo they years of age love going to our Dojo they years of age love going to our Dojo they love it you know so Dojo was the first love it you know so Dojo was the first love it you know so Dojo was the first word that they used it was one of the word that they used it was one of the word that they used it was one of the first so when they come to see us you first so when they come to see us you first so when they come to see us you know so seen my wife and I you know it's know so seen my wife and I you know it's know so seen my wife and I you know it's like Dojo it's not Grandma Grandad you like Dojo it's not Grandma Grandad you like Dojo it's not Grandma Grandad you know it's Dojo so Dojo they take their know it's Dojo so Dojo they take their know it's Dojo so Dojo they take their shoes off going into the dojo you know shoes off going into the dojo you know shoes off going into the dojo you know so they have respect for where they're so they have respect for where they're so they have respect for where they're at you know and uh I think it has that at you know and uh I think it has that at you know and uh I think it has that kind of feeling that uh like I tried to kind of feeling that uh like I tried to kind of feeling that uh like I tried to build my Dojo with a feeling of build my Dojo with a feeling of build my Dojo with a feeling of reverence it's kind of almost peaceful reverence it's kind of almost peaceful reverence it's kind of almost peaceful you know so if like I'm not religious you know so if like I'm not religious you know so if like I'm not religious I'm not a religious person but I like I'm not a religious person but I like I'm not a religious person but I like going to Old churches because when I go going to Old churches because when I go going to Old churches because when I go into an old church doesn't matter you into an old church doesn't matter you into an old church doesn't matter you know what the religion within the church know what the religion within the church know what the religion within the church but it there's a there's a reverence in but it there's a there's a reverence in but it there's a there's a reverence in there reverence is a good word it it there reverence is a good word it it there reverence is a good word it it feels like a really special place no feels like a really special place no feels like a really special place no matter which Dojo you go to it's just

matter which Dojo you go to it's just matter which Dojo you go to it's just you bow and there's a calm this before you bow and there's a calm this before you bow and there's a calm this before the storm of battle or whatever it is the storm of battle or whatever it is the storm of battle or whatever it is yeah and respect you know look at the yeah and respect you know look at the yeah and respect you know look at the respect you know we were just talking respect you know we were just talking respect you know we were just talking about it just before we came on on air about it just before we came on on air about it just before we came on on air we were just saying that we very very we were just saying that we very very we were just saying that we very very seldom do we have a situation where seldom do we have a situation where seldom do we have a situation where there is there is there is animosity other than them fighting you animosity other than them fighting you animosity other than them fighting you know so I'm I'm not saying that they know so I'm I'm not saying that they know so I'm I'm not saying that they don't fight each other because sometimes don't fight each other because sometimes don't fight each other because sometimes it does turn into a brawl and at the end it does turn into a brawl and at the end it does turn into a brawl and at the end two people bow off and show their two people bow off and show their two people bow off and show their respect you know and and one of the respect you know and and one of the respect you know and and one of the things you know like so a champion I see things you know like so a champion I see things you know like so a champion I see people winning events and they're good people winning events and they're good people winning events and they're good judoka they're excellent they win World judoka they're excellent they win World judoka they're excellent they win World Championships might even win the Olympic Championships might even win the Olympic Championships might even win the Olympic Games but a great Champion for me is is Games but a great Champion for me is is Games but a great Champion for me is is somebody who treats uh who who does the somebody who treats uh who who does the somebody who treats uh who who does the right thing when they lose you know so right thing when they lose you know so right thing when they lose you know so when you see them lose that's when you when you see them lose that's when you when you see them lose that's when you see the true them you know and actually see the true them you know and actually see the true them you know and actually that was one of the biggest things that that was one of the biggest things that that was one of the biggest things that I had to really cope with you know so I had to really cope with you know so I had to really cope with you know so when I lost that Olympic Games in Moscow when I lost that Olympic Games in Moscow when I lost that Olympic Games in Moscow and also the one in in um Los Angeles and also the one in in um Los Angeles and also the one in in um Los Angeles the hardest thing is when the the hardest thing is when the the hardest thing is when the microphone's in there and and you've got microphone's in there and and you've got microphone's in there and and you've got to be respectful and nice and and the to be respectful and nice and and the to be respectful and nice and and the hardest things to smile but actually hardest things to smile but actually hardest things to smile but actually some of the great Champions you know some of the great Champions you know some of the great Champions you know they'll they'll go that's just one match they'll they'll go that's just one match they'll they'll go that's just one match you know I remember uh we've got um

you know I remember uh we've got um you know I remember uh we've got um we've got one great Champion AGB n she's we've got one great Champion AGB n she's we've got one great Champion AGB n she's a five-time world champion she Olympic a five-time world champion she Olympic a five-time world champion she Olympic champion she's going she's favorite as champion she's going she's favorite as champion she's going she's favorite as well to to get this Olympic gold medal well to to get this Olympic gold medal well to to get this Olympic gold medal French MH what a great Champion she is French MH what a great Champion she is French MH what a great Champion she is you know because um she lost one of the you know because um she lost one of the you know because um she lost one of the matches I mean she'd come back and um uh matches I mean she'd come back and um uh matches I mean she'd come back and um uh she'd uh give him Birth come back after she'd uh give him Birth come back after she'd uh give him Birth come back after giv him birth and everybody was going giv him birth and everybody was going giv him birth and everybody was going well was she you know but then and then well was she you know but then and then well was she you know but then and then she lost one of the matches on the way she lost one of the matches on the way she lost one of the matches on the way through and she said well don't be don't through and she said well don't be don't through and she said well don't be don't be upset you know it's just one match be upset you know it's just one match be upset you know it's just one match it's just one contest you know next time it's just one contest you know next time it's just one contest you know next time I'm going to put it right and she did I'm going to put it right and she did I'm going to put it right and she did put it right and now she's back up there put it right and now she's back up there put it right and now she's back up there and she she won the world title back so and she she won the world title back so and she she won the world title back so you know the these are great champions you know the these are great champions you know the these are great champions for me yeah I mean that's the right way for me yeah I mean that's the right way for me yeah I mean that's the right way to see it but it's also tragic to lose to see it but it's also tragic to lose to see it but it's also tragic to lose the Olympic Games you know twice yes it is tragic and I do I do twice yes it is tragic and I do I do have sleepless nights I mean that's the have sleepless nights I mean that's the have sleepless nights I mean that's the the magic of the Olympic Games anything the magic of the Olympic Games anything the magic of the Olympic Games anything can happen and your can happen and your can happen and your 1980 Olympics were very different from 1980 Olympics were very different from 1980 Olympics were very different from the 1984 but if we just Linger on the on the 1984 but if we just Linger on the on the 1984 but if we just Linger on the on 80 and just your we were talking 80 and just your we were talking 80 and just your we were talking about how much you wanted to win do you about how much you wanted to win do you about how much you wanted to win do you love winning or hate losing more I hate love winning or hate losing more I hate love winning or hate losing more I hate losing more but I love winning when I losing more but I love winning when I losing more but I love winning when I won the world title the year later and won the world title the year later and won the world title the year later and um I had no doubt when I went in that

um I had no doubt when I went in that um I had no doubt when I went in that day that I was gonna be world champion day that I was gonna be world champion day that I was gonna be world champion no doubt so you won the uh 81 World no doubt so you won the uh 81 World no doubt so you won the uh 81 World Championship at the higher weight at the Championship at the higher weight at the Championship at the higher weight at the high of the 78 yes high of the 78 yes high of the 78 yes kg um actually can we go there what what kg um actually can we go there what what kg um actually can we go there what what what was going through your mind you what was going through your mind you what was going through your mind you ended up arm barring a Japanese fighter ended up arm barring a Japanese fighter ended up arm barring a Japanese fighter I talked to Jimmy Pedro a friend of I talked to Jimmy Pedro a friend of I talked to Jimmy Pedro a friend of yours somebody who said you were a yours somebody who said you were a yours somebody who said you were a mentor to him for many years and he's mentor to him for many years and he's mentor to him for many years and he's told me a bunch of different questions told me a bunch of different questions told me a bunch of different questions to ask you but he said that was a really to ask you but he said that was a really to ask you but he said that was a really special time that was a really special special time that was a really special special time that was a really special like dominant run you had um and like dominant run you had um and like dominant run you had um and especially finishing with an arra asess especially finishing with an arra asess especially finishing with an arra asess a Japanese player so take me through a Japanese player so take me through a Japanese player so take me through that what do you remember from that I that what do you remember from that I that what do you remember from that I think that it was so my weight was think that it was so my weight was think that it was so my weight was better I didn't have to lose weight that better I didn't have to lose weight that better I didn't have to lose weight that was one thing so the nutritional side was one thing so the nutritional side was one thing so the nutritional side wasn't as important but probably you wasn't as important but probably you wasn't as important but probably you know it still wasn't as good as it could know it still wasn't as good as it could know it still wasn't as good as it could be my be my be my nutrition uh although it was getting nutrition uh although it was getting nutrition uh although it was getting better and I was uh trying to eat the better and I was uh trying to eat the better and I was uh trying to eat the right things at the right time um but I right things at the right time um but I right things at the right time um but I still trained really well and I was so still trained really well and I was so still trained really well and I was so confident there going into that World confident there going into that World confident there going into that World Championships that I could win it I had Championships that I could win it I had Championships that I could win it I had no doubt in my mind that I was going to no doubt in my mind that I was going to no doubt in my mind that I was going to win but you know obviously uh corner of win but you know obviously uh corner of win but you know obviously uh corner of your mind you're thinking um just don't your mind you're thinking um just don't your mind you're thinking um just don't make mistakes but you know this is the make mistakes but you know this is the make mistakes but you know this is the incredible thing is is that once you

incredible thing is is that once you incredible thing is is that once you start to ask you what once I see contest start to ask you what once I see contest start to ask you what once I see contest change direction when I'm commentating change direction when I'm commentating change direction when I'm commentating so I can see somebody who's in there so I can see somebody who's in there so I can see somebody who's in there just going forward just trying to win just going forward just trying to win just going forward just trying to win right so and that's a difference to right so and that's a difference to right so and that's a difference to somebody who's trying not to lose MH and somebody who's trying not to lose MH and somebody who's trying not to lose MH and it's two different ways there you know it's two different ways there you know it's two different ways there you know so sometimes when you uh so when I was so sometimes when you uh so when I was so sometimes when you uh so when I was world champion uh then I had a period of world champion uh then I had a period of world champion uh then I had a period of time where every time I stepped out time where every time I stepped out time where every time I stepped out there I was really afraid of losing and there I was really afraid of losing and there I was really afraid of losing and um and I think that that's what happens um and I think that that's what happens um and I think that that's what happens later on in your competitive career you later on in your competitive career you later on in your competitive career you know the great Champions managed to come know the great Champions managed to come know the great Champions managed to come through that Teddy Rene is one of those through that Teddy Rene is one of those through that Teddy Rene is one of those you know he he just he puts it out there you know he he just he puts it out there you know he he just he puts it out there and he keeps beating them you know so and he keeps beating them you know so and he keeps beating them you know so they can't take it away from him you they can't take it away from him you they can't take it away from him you know it's it's it's fantastic so know it's it's it's fantastic so know it's it's it's fantastic so stepping on the mat every single stepping on the mat every single stepping on the mat every single encounter you're trying to win you're encounter you're trying to win you're encounter you're trying to win you're looking for the grips and the with the looking for the grips and the with the looking for the grips and the with the intention to throw throw big even when intention to throw throw big even when intention to throw throw big even when you're ah head on points all that kind you're ah head on points all that kind you're ah head on points all that kind of stuff that's a really good point is of stuff that's a really good point is of stuff that's a really good point is that if you go ahead in a match and you that if you go ahead in a match and you that if you go ahead in a match and you look at the clock it depends when you go look at the clock it depends when you go look at the clock it depends when you go ahead like sometimes you can go ahead in ahead like sometimes you can go ahead in ahead like sometimes you can go ahead in the first minute and you've still got the first minute and you've still got the first minute and you've still got three minutes to go so I see the ones three minutes to go so I see the ones three minutes to go so I see the ones then that go into I don't want to lose then that go into I don't want to lose then that go into I don't want to lose because they go into defensive mode and because they go into defensive mode and because they go into defensive mode and then sometimes they can lose it on then sometimes they can lose it on then sometimes they can lose it on penalties or something can go wrong and penalties or something can go wrong and penalties or something can go wrong and uh the other one comes on strong and uh the other one comes on strong and uh the other one comes on strong and then they can sneak the contest and so then they can sneak the contest and so then they can sneak the contest and so um it's it's really difficult but what um it's it's really difficult but what um it's it's really difficult but what when I was coaching I was trying to when I was coaching I was trying to when I was coaching I was trying to always encourage

always encourage always encourage that positive attitude for the full four that positive attitude for the full four that positive attitude for the full four minutes five minutes then I've competed minutes five minutes then I've competed minutes five minutes then I've competed a lot in Judo and jeta I've always hated a lot in Judo and jeta I've always hated a lot in Judo and jeta I've always hated that part of myself when I'm up on that part of myself when I'm up on that part of myself when I'm up on points by a lot you look at the clock points by a lot you look at the clock points by a lot you look at the clock and it's what you do when you look at and it's what you do when you look at and it's what you do when you look at the clock minute and a half you're the clock minute and a half you're the clock minute and a half you're really really really tired and you kind of quit you just tired and you kind of quit you just tired and you kind of quit you just defend yeah and I hated that part about defend yeah and I hated that part about defend yeah and I hated that part about myself it's like that saying don't do it myself it's like that saying don't do it myself it's like that saying don't do it yeah well as opposed to just go out in yeah well as opposed to just go out in yeah well as opposed to just go out in uh in Judo that's a for big throw just uh in Judo that's a for big throw just uh in Judo that's a for big throw just keep going for the throw and Jiu-Jitsu keep going for the throw and Jiu-Jitsu keep going for the throw and Jiu-Jitsu it's go for the submission like throw it's go for the submission like throw it's go for the submission like throw CAU like win in the real way versus on CAU like win in the real way versus on CAU like win in the real way versus on on points I hatte that part of I mean on points I hatte that part of I mean on points I hatte that part of I mean mostly underneath that is cowardice mostly underneath that is cowardice mostly underneath that is cowardice induced by induced by induced by exhaustion exhaustion's the one isn't it exhaustion exhaustion's the one isn't it exhaustion exhaustion's the one isn't it you know but but it is isn't it it's a you know but but it is isn't it it's a you know but but it is isn't it it's a mindset as well you know so actually mindset as well you know so actually mindset as well you know so actually trying to get your mind positive all the trying to get your mind positive all the trying to get your mind positive all the way through you know so I I mean if you way through you know so I I mean if you way through you know so I I mean if you listen when I commentated now is I say I listen when I commentated now is I say I listen when I commentated now is I say I hope that they don't change the mindset hope that they don't change the mindset hope that they don't change the mindset and that they keep on and they are going and that they keep on and they are going and that they keep on and they are going forward all the time you know and forward all the time you know and forward all the time you know and actually they're then more difficult to actually they're then more difficult to actually they're then more difficult to catch we had one uh just a couple of catch we had one uh just a couple of catch we had one uh just a couple of weeks ago and he lost in the final weeks ago and he lost in the final weeks ago and he lost in the final second of the contest lost the final he second of the contest lost the final he second of the contest lost the final he was the only one to score he got was the only one to score he got was the only one to score he got penalized all the way up two seconds to penalized all the way up two seconds to penalized all the way up two seconds to go and stepped out of the area and uh go and stepped out of the area and uh go and stepped out of the area and uh you know but he went like that thinking you know but he went like that thinking you know but he went like that thinking the Bell was just going and the Bell the Bell was just going and the Bell the Bell was just going and the Bell went 1 second after he actually stepped

went 1 second after he actually stepped went 1 second after he actually stepped out so he got penalized lost the match out so he got penalized lost the match out so he got penalized lost the match and lost all of the points for and lost all of the points for and lost all of the points for qualification so it was it was you know qualification so it was it was you know qualification so it was it was you know that's uh paying high price that's that's uh paying high price that's that's uh paying high price that's paying high price yeah I mean that's paying high price yeah I mean that's paying high price yeah I mean that's there's a thin thin line between uh there's a thin thin line between uh there's a thin thin line between uh Triumph and tragedy and in uh those Triumph and tragedy and in uh those Triumph and tragedy and in uh those competitions but especially at the competitions but especially at the competitions but especially at the Olympic Games so let's just stick on 81 Olympic Games so let's just stick on 81 Olympic Games so let's just stick on 81 World Championship what it feel like to World Championship what it feel like to World Championship what it feel like to win that world championship like uh and win that world championship like uh and win that world championship like uh and also getting an armar as a Japanese also getting an armar as a Japanese also getting an armar as a Japanese player uh Jimmy told me your arms were player uh Jimmy told me your arms were player uh Jimmy told me your arms were exhausted yeah I mean you you just I the exhausted yeah I mean you you just I the exhausted yeah I mean you you just I the thing is is sometimes you know when thing is is sometimes you know when thing is is sometimes you know when you're going when it's competitive as you're going when it's competitive as you're going when it's competitive as well you know um hours is a different well you know um hours is a different well you know um hours is a different intensity too like you just where where intensity too like you just where where intensity too like you just where where you can take time a little bit hours is you can take time a little bit hours is you can take time a little bit hours is bang it's transitioning from standing bang it's transitioning from standing bang it's transitioning from standing down you've got 10 15 seconds to go in down you've got 10 15 seconds to go in down you've got 10 15 seconds to go in there you go in 100% it's a bit like there you go in 100% it's a bit like there you go in 100% it's a bit like running uh uh you know full out for 10 running uh uh you know full out for 10 running uh uh you know full out for 10 seconds like and then you've got to seconds like and then you've got to seconds like and then you've got to decide then especially if they're decide then especially if they're decide then especially if they're defending it whether you let it go defending it whether you let it go defending it whether you let it go because when you get up and your because when you get up and your because when you get up and your forearms are blown you know and you got forearms are blown you know and you got forearms are blown you know and you got lactic acid in there and you still got lactic acid in there and you still got lactic acid in there and you still got to grip up because remember ours is to grip up because remember ours is to grip up because remember ours is about gripping as well on the jacket so about gripping as well on the jacket so about gripping as well on the jacket so if you can't grip up then you can't gain if you can't grip up then you can't gain if you can't grip up then you can't gain the advantage then they can throw you the advantage then they can throw you the advantage then they can throw you you know so you have to decide so I had you know so you have to decide so I had you know so you have to decide so I had a massive attack on him and we changed a massive attack on him and we changed a massive attack on him and we changed directions four or five times and and

directions four or five times and and directions four or five times and and then I wasn't going to let him go but I then I wasn't going to let him go but I then I wasn't going to let him go but I still you know when I was turning him still you know when I was turning him still you know when I was turning him there I had to decide am I going to go there I had to decide am I going to go there I had to decide am I going to go all out for this and and just or you all out for this and and just or you all out for this and and just or you know like there has been occasions when know like there has been occasions when know like there has been occasions when I've kind of released it MH to just you I've kind of released it MH to just you I've kind of released it MH to just you know I got a minute to go and just lock know I got a minute to go and just lock know I got a minute to go and just lock out yeah so so what you're saying on the out yeah so so what you're saying on the out yeah so so what you're saying on the feet there was a change of Direction all feet there was a change of Direction all feet there was a change of Direction all different kinds of attempts and then you different kinds of attempts and then you different kinds of attempts and then you went to the ground and that's so what went to the ground and that's so what went to the ground and that's so what was that do you remember that decision was that do you remember that decision was that do you remember that decision of like okay am I going to finish this of like okay am I going to finish this of like okay am I going to finish this yeah I knew it I I just as soon as I yeah I knew it I I just as soon as I yeah I knew it I I just as soon as I climbed his back and and then I thought climbed his back and and then I thought climbed his back and and then I thought he's not going he's not going I'm not he's not going he's not going I'm not he's not going he's not going I'm not going to let him up you know so I was going to let him up you know so I was going to let him up you know so I was just changing voice your head little just changing voice your head little just changing voice your head little little something in my head was going little something in my head was going little something in my head was going don't don't you know just stick on him don't don't you know just stick on him don't don't you know just stick on him and and then it's always about pressure and and then it's always about pressure and and then it's always about pressure on the arm and and I just you know and on the arm and and I just you know and on the arm and and I just you know and of course he was like that you know of course he was like that you know of course he was like that you know where defending you know he was almost where defending you know he was almost where defending you know he was almost total Bridge trying to get out of it did total Bridge trying to get out of it did total Bridge trying to get out of it did it start in turtle and like did you it start in turtle and like did you it start in turtle and like did you started in Turtle because I I did an started in Turtle because I I did an started in Turtle because I I did an attack came back out of the attack and attack came back out of the attack and attack came back out of the attack and then he went onto his front and then I then he went onto his front and then I then he went onto his front and then I was on his back and then I started the was on his back and then I started the was on his back and then I started the whole saw opening you just went for it whole saw opening you just went for it whole saw opening you just went for it just I was it was an automatic just I was it was an automatic just I was it was an automatic transition so I mean the transitions are transition so I mean the transitions are transition so I mean the transitions are what we teach you know because the ones what we teach you know because the ones what we teach you know because the ones that are quicker down with the that are quicker down with the that are quicker down with the transitions are the ones that catch it transitions are the ones that catch it transitions are the ones that catch it that's our naaza you know our groundwork that's our naaza you know our groundwork that's our naaza you know our groundwork is the transition from standing down to is the transition from standing down to is the transition from standing down to ground it's very you know we don't have ground it's very you know we don't have ground it's very you know we don't have a situation where you can kind of work a situation where you can kind of work a situation where you can kind of work your way in you are in or you're you're

your way in you are in or you're you're your way in you are in or you're you're not in you're standing you know so you not in you're standing you know so you not in you're standing you know so you got to make sure that you're in and so I got to make sure that you're in and so I got to make sure that you're in and so I had I was just on his back like a leech had I was just on his back like a leech had I was just on his back like a leech and I never let him go so you I mean and I never let him go so you I mean and I never let him go so you I mean yeah so that's where the arm bars that's yeah so that's where the arm bars that's yeah so that's where the arm bars that's where the attacks on the ground which is where the attacks on the ground which is where the attacks on the ground which is called naaza happens in the transition called naaza happens in the transition called naaza happens in the transition at that level at that high world class at that level at that high world class at that level at that high world class level yeah I mean he was no mug either I level yeah I mean he was no mug either I level yeah I mean he was no mug either I I think he just got third third place in I think he just got third third place in I think he just got third third place in the all Japan championships which is all the all Japan championships which is all the all Japan championships which is all weight categories so he was he wasn't a weight categories so he was he wasn't a weight categories so he was he wasn't a mug you know he was he was strong and mug you know he was he was strong and mug you know he was he was strong and I'd fought him once before and and I I'd fought him once before and and I I'd fought him once before and and I knew he was a lefty as well which was uh knew he was a lefty as well which was uh knew he was a lefty as well which was uh really awkward for me did it feel good really awkward for me did it feel good really awkward for me did it feel good better for me than him did it did it better for me than him did it did it better for me than him did it did it felt it felt amazing you know because um felt it felt amazing you know because um felt it felt amazing you know because um it was almost like all these things it was almost like all these things it was almost like all these things disappointments and everything had kind disappointments and everything had kind disappointments and everything had kind of come to uh this one point uh where I of come to uh this one point uh where I of come to uh this one point uh where I was at last kind of champion of the was at last kind of champion of the was at last kind of champion of the world you it's everything I said as a world you it's everything I said as a world you it's everything I said as a kid that I had no idea how difficult it kid that I had no idea how difficult it kid that I had no idea how difficult it was going to be you know so as a kid as was going to be you know so as a kid as was going to be you know so as a kid as a 14-year-old kid I remember saying I'm a 14-year-old kid I remember saying I'm a 14-year-old kid I remember saying I'm going to be world champion I'm going to going to be world champion I'm going to going to be world champion I'm going to be the best in the world I had no idea be the best in the world I had no idea be the best in the world I had no idea how difficult that was going to be well how difficult that was going to be well how difficult that was going to be well there's wisdom to that right like uh there's wisdom to that right like uh there's wisdom to that right like uh there's power and stupidity of Youth I there's power and stupidity of Youth I there's power and stupidity of Youth I like that right like just like I'm going like that right like just like I'm going like that right like just like I'm going to be World Champ I'm going to win this to be World Champ I'm going to win this to be World Champ I'm going to win this without knowing how hard it is and then without knowing how hard it is and then without knowing how hard it is and then uh once you go after it it's uh you're uh once you go after it it's uh you're uh once you go after it it's uh you're trapped you're going to have to do the trapped you're going to have to do the trapped you're going to have to do the work yeah well I mean you see a lot with work yeah well I mean you see a lot with work yeah well I mean you see a lot with parents as well you you know parents you parents as well you you know parents you parents as well you you know parents you know how little Johnny is he's you know

know how little Johnny is he's you know know how little Johnny is he's you know he's amazing and he's this that and the he's amazing and he's this that and the he's amazing and he's this that and the other and they have no idea what's you other and they have no idea what's you other and they have no idea what's you know out there I remember the very first know out there I remember the very first know out there I remember the very first time I I stepped out time I I stepped out time I I stepped out 1974 uh into the European uh Cadets uh 1974 uh into the European uh Cadets uh 1974 uh into the European uh Cadets uh and I remember um that we were fighting and I remember um that we were fighting and I remember um that we were fighting I'd only ever fought in Great Britain I I'd only ever fought in Great Britain I I'd only ever fought in Great Britain I was the top you know I I was unbeaten in was the top you know I I was unbeaten in was the top you know I I was unbeaten in in the Junior years kids and went out in the Junior years kids and went out in the Junior years kids and went out there and um there were these um there and um there were these um there and um there were these um different Fighters out there that were different Fighters out there that were different Fighters out there that were treating me with total disdain and I treating me with total disdain and I treating me with total disdain and I remember remember remember thinking how dare they you know just you thinking how dare they you know just you thinking how dare they you know just you know and I realized when I came back know and I realized when I came back know and I realized when I came back from that event there's other people out from that event there's other people out from that event there's other people out there there's just a whole you know and there there's just a whole you know and there there's just a whole you know and there are different levels of you know there are different levels of you know there are different levels of you know the majority of people are just not the majority of people are just not the majority of people are just not informed as to what's out there and the informed as to what's out there and the informed as to what's out there and the different levels that there are out different levels that there are out different levels that there are out there do you remember like a a certain there do you remember like a a certain there do you remember like a a certain opponent that for the first time you opponent that for the first time you opponent that for the first time you felt like holy yeah there's po like felt like holy yeah there's po like felt like holy yeah there's po like somebody just gripped you up and you're somebody just gripped you up and you're somebody just gripped you up and you're like this is there's another level to like this is there's another level to like this is there's another level to this game edio was uh edio was one of this game edio was uh edio was one of this game edio was uh edio was one of them and um I fought him you know and I them and um I fought him you know and I them and um I fought him you know and I beat him in the European championships I beat him in the European championships I beat him in the European championships I beat him in you know two times and then beat him in you know two times and then beat him in you know two times and then lost to him in the Olympic Games two lost to him in the Olympic Games two lost to him in the Olympic Games two months after I'd beaten him in the months after I'd beaten him in the months after I'd beaten him in the European Championship wow yeah yeah so European Championship wow yeah yeah so European Championship wow yeah yeah so it wasn't that that made more difficult it wasn't that that made more difficult it wasn't that that made more difficult right Nemesis there wow so that made it right Nemesis there wow so that made it right Nemesis there wow so that made it more difficult and um so he edio was one

more difficult and um so he edio was one more difficult and um so he edio was one and uh getting hold of uh I remember um and uh getting hold of uh I remember um and uh getting hold of uh I remember um uh getting hold of Nishida of uh Japan uh getting hold of Nishida of uh Japan uh getting hold of Nishida of uh Japan and he had me going up and down and uh I and he had me going up and down and uh I and he had me going up and down and uh I just I thought wow this guy is amazing just I thought wow this guy is amazing just I thought wow this guy is amazing you know and uh I'd never fought first you know and uh I'd never fought first you know and uh I'd never fought first time I ever fought Japanese in a major time I ever fought Japanese in a major time I ever fought Japanese in a major tournament you know and um I felt the tournament you know and um I felt the tournament you know and um I felt the danger I always talk about the danger danger I always talk about the danger danger I always talk about the danger when we go out to Japan to when we go out to Japan to when we go out to Japan to train uh I could go probably uh months train uh I could go probably uh months train uh I could go probably uh months without getting thrown in training here without getting thrown in training here without getting thrown in training here in Europe and and I go to Japan and you in Europe and and I go to Japan and you in Europe and and I go to Japan and you know everybody's throwing you you know know everybody's throwing you you know know everybody's throwing you you know and and that's difficult to accept and and and that's difficult to accept and and and that's difficult to accept and the reason that kind of danger and that the reason that kind of danger and that the reason that kind of danger and that kind of um kind of um kind of um um feeling of danger is something that um feeling of danger is something that um feeling of danger is something that puts a real Edge on you know and uh so puts a real Edge on you know and uh so puts a real Edge on you know and uh so that was first time when when I got a that was first time when when I got a that was first time when when I got a hold of nishido I thought oh my God you hold of nishido I thought oh my God you hold of nishido I thought oh my God you know this guy you know didn't matter know this guy you know didn't matter know this guy you know didn't matter which way he was turning like that he which way he was turning like that he which way he was turning like that he stretched out and and I thought this uh stretched out and and I thought this uh stretched out and and I thought this uh I I want to do this you know and then I I I want to do this you know and then I I I want to do this you know and then I ended up fighting him again in Japan so ended up fighting him again in Japan so ended up fighting him again in Japan so that feeling of danger is really that feeling of danger is really that feeling of danger is really interesting like I've interesting like I've interesting like I've uh I've you know did randori with a lot uh I've you know did randori with a lot uh I've you know did randori with a lot of worldclass people from different of worldclass people from different of worldclass people from different parts of the world uh including ilis parts of the world uh including ilis parts of the world uh including ilis elatus and like there's was certain part elatus and like there's was certain part elatus and like there's was certain part like Eastern your like Eastern your like Eastern your Pito you're you feel like you're screwed Pito you're you feel like you're screwed Pito you're you feel like you're screwed the whole way through like uh the the whole way through like uh the the whole way through like uh the gripping you really feel it in the gripping you really feel it in the gripping you really feel it in the gripping it's the gripping that does it

gripping it's the gripping that does it gripping it's the gripping that does it but in with with Japan like really good but in with with Japan like really good but in with with Japan like really good Japanese style jidoka you don't it's Japanese style jidoka you don't it's Japanese style jidoka you don't it's like it's a terrifying calmness well at like it's a terrifying calmness well at like it's a terrifying calmness well at least at least the experiences I've had least at least the experiences I've had least at least the experiences I've had you don't really feel it in the gripping you don't really feel it in the gripping you don't really feel it in the gripping you just feel like anywhere you step you just feel like anywhere you step you just feel like anywhere you step you're getting thrown it's a different you're getting thrown it's a different you're getting thrown it's a different it's a different thing isn't it it's a it's a different thing isn't it it's a it's a different thing isn't it it's a different thing so I mean mine was kind different thing so I mean mine was kind different thing so I mean mine was kind of a mixture right like it to be a of a mixture right like it to be a of a mixture right like it to be a mixture because um there was um the mixture because um there was um the mixture because um there was um the gripping is definitely the key point so gripping is definitely the key point so gripping is definitely the key point so if you get a high level guys that are if you get a high level guys that are if you get a high level guys that are gripping up and I always used to put gripping up and I always used to put gripping up and I always used to put this to the this to the this to the referees um when we were doing referee referees um when we were doing referee referees um when we were doing referee seminars when we first started them and seminars when we first started them and seminars when we first started them and I'd say uh how many because like they I'd say uh how many because like they I'd say uh how many because like they would referee to their understanding of would referee to their understanding of would referee to their understanding of the match so they were penalizing for the match so they were penalizing for the match so they were penalizing for certain grips that were you know and and certain grips that were you know and and certain grips that were you know and and actually actually actually so as an ex-athlete so as an ex-athlete so as an ex-athlete uh high level I would say have you ever uh high level I would say have you ever uh high level I would say have you ever gripped up with high level all right gripped up with high level all right gripped up with high level all right because if you haven't you need to do it because if you haven't you need to do it because if you haven't you need to do it because then you'll understand why they because then you'll understand why they because then you'll understand why they do certain things with the grips because do certain things with the grips because do certain things with the grips because these guys are like you know when these guys are like you know when these guys are like you know when somebody grips you and you think you somebody grips you and you think you somebody grips you and you think you know you're going to go when IL Addis know you're going to go when IL Addis know you're going to go when IL Addis puts his arm over your back all right puts his arm over your back all right puts his arm over your back all right and he you you know you're going to go and he you you know you're going to go and he you you know you're going to go up and over you know you're going to go up and over you know you're going to go up and over you know you're going to go over you know that's it it's a cool over you know that's it it's a cool over you know that's it it's a cool feeling it's like whenever not for me feeling it's like whenever not for me feeling it's like whenever not for me why is why is why is but it's like I mean because it's not uh but it's like I mean because it's not uh but it's like I mean because it's not uh it's it feels way more powerful than it it's it feels way more powerful than it it's it feels way more powerful than it should yeah it's weird I don't know you

should yeah it's weird I don't know you should yeah it's weird I don't know you want to attribute it to strength and all want to attribute it to strength and all want to attribute it to strength and all that kind of stuff I people say you have that kind of stuff I people say you have that kind of stuff I people say you have like immense upper body strength but like immense upper body strength but like immense upper body strength but it's probably something else it's like it's probably something else it's like it's probably something else it's like technique it's some kind of weird it's a technique it's some kind of weird it's a technique it's some kind of weird it's a mix of everything just like something mix of everything just like something mix of everything just like something hardened through lots of battles and hardened through lots of battles and hardened through lots of battles and randori and that kind of stuff yeah but randori and that kind of stuff yeah but randori and that kind of stuff yeah but it's cool that humans are able to it's cool that humans are able to it's cool that humans are able to generate that kind of power it's cool generate that kind of power it's cool generate that kind of power it's cool when I was um 84 Olympics well but I'm when I was um 84 Olympics well but I'm when I was um 84 Olympics well but I'm just going to go there now just quickly just going to go there now just quickly just going to go there now just quickly but um there was um we had a freestyle but um there was um we had a freestyle but um there was um we had a freestyle wrestler he's American actually but he wrestler he's American actually but he wrestler he's American actually but he had the English um uh nationality so he had the English um uh nationality so he had the English um uh nationality so he competed for um n Lan his name is and he competed for um n Lan his name is and he competed for um n Lan his name is and he competed for Great Britain he got third competed for Great Britain he got third competed for Great Britain he got third place at the Olympics in 84 but he was place at the Olympics in 84 but he was place at the Olympics in 84 but he was training uh we were training at buddai training uh we were training at buddai training uh we were training at buddai and he was training he came to do some and he was training he came to do some and he was training he came to do some Judo and put jacket on and of course he Judo and put jacket on and of course he Judo and put jacket on and of course he was training with some of the lower was training with some of the lower was training with some of the lower levels and he was really handling levels and he was really handling levels and he was really handling himself well and then um he said I need himself well and then um he said I need himself well and then um he said I need to feel you know to feel you know to feel you know he when we did rander you know so I he he when we did rander you know so I he he when we did rander you know so I he did some rander with me and uh and I did some rander with me and uh and I did some rander with me and uh and I immediately thought I got to catch it I immediately thought I got to catch it I immediately thought I got to catch it I got to stop single leg and double leg got to stop single leg and double leg got to stop single leg and double leg cuz he he was really quick right so cuz he he was really quick right so cuz he he was really quick right so strong as well 90 something kilos he was strong as well 90 something kilos he was strong as well 90 something kilos he was like you know he's a big guy so I caught like you know he's a big guy so I caught like you know he's a big guy so I caught a sleeve and immediately caught M and a sleeve and immediately caught M and a sleeve and immediately caught M and controlled him and and then he couldn't controlled him and and then he couldn't controlled him and and then he couldn't start right so he said I needed to feel start right so he said I needed to feel start right so he said I needed to feel the difference so then I

the difference so then I the difference so then I thought I better reciprocate this so I thought I better reciprocate this so I thought I better reciprocate this so I said well you know so we did the randor said well you know so we did the randor said well you know so we did the randor and I throw him a couple of times he and I throw him a couple of times he and I throw him a couple of times he said I'm really glad we did that so then said I'm really glad we did that so then said I'm really glad we did that so then I said I I need to feel the difference I said I I need to feel the difference I said I I need to feel the difference as well so we take the jackets off so we as well so we take the jackets off so we as well so we take the jackets off so we took the jackets off and he was a took the jackets off and he was a took the jackets off and he was a nightmare this guy was a nightmare and nightmare this guy was a nightmare and nightmare this guy was a nightmare and like a monster you know he was like like a monster you know he was like like a monster you know he was like single legging me and you know it was single legging me and you know it was single legging me and you know it was just totally different you know so it it just totally different you know so it it just totally different you know so it it was uh like the jacket makes a massive was uh like the jacket makes a massive was uh like the jacket makes a massive difference huge difference to uh difference huge difference to uh difference huge difference to uh something you know and and people think something you know and and people think something you know and and people think it's just a jacket that we're wearing it's just a jacket that we're wearing it's just a jacket that we're wearing but it it isn't it's it's our only um but it it isn't it's it's our only um but it it isn't it's it's our only um tool actually yeah and it's control I tool actually yeah and it's control I tool actually yeah and it's control I mean it's a way of establishing control mean it's a way of establishing control mean it's a way of establishing control of another body and it's a whole art of another body and it's a whole art of another body and it's a whole art form of Science and I don't even know if form of Science and I don't even know if form of Science and I don't even know if you understand it really you understand you understand it really you understand you understand it really you understand it sort of subconsciously through time it sort of subconsciously through time it sort of subconsciously through time yeah cuz like it there so much involved yeah cuz like it there so much involved yeah cuz like it there so much involved cuz pulling on one part of the jacket cuz pulling on one part of the jacket cuz pulling on one part of the jacket pulls other parts of the jacket and yeah pulls other parts of the jacket and yeah pulls other parts of the jacket and yeah like the physics of that is probably like the physics of that is probably like the physics of that is probably insane to understand it's absolutely insane to understand it's absolutely insane to understand it's absolutely insane and then you know they they insane and then you know they they insane and then you know they they changed the rules for a little while and changed the rules for a little while and changed the rules for a little while and they changed the rules so that you they changed the rules so that you they changed the rules so that you couldn't hold uh you know that certain couldn't hold uh you know that certain couldn't hold uh you know that certain uh grips were not allowed you only uh grips were not allowed you only uh grips were not allowed you only allowed certain amount of time and there allowed certain amount of time and there allowed certain amount of time and there were a lot of penalties for them you were a lot of penalties for them you were a lot of penalties for them you know and then you know they had some of know and then you know they had some of know and then you know they had some of the exf fighters into the referee the exf fighters into the referee the exf fighters into the referee commission and so we were pushing for commission and so we were pushing for commission and so we were pushing for just let them grip you know because just let them grip you know because just let them grip you know because that's that's that's our game you know

that's that's that's our game you know that's that's that's our game you know that's what makes his different you know that's what makes his different you know that's what makes his different you know again if if grip up with somebody like again if if grip up with somebody like again if if grip up with somebody like so they were on about uh Teddy Renee so they were on about uh Teddy Renee so they were on about uh Teddy Renee yeah Teddy Renee comes out takes a yeah Teddy Renee comes out takes a yeah Teddy Renee comes out takes a sleeve yeah big arm over the top and and sleeve yeah big arm over the top and and sleeve yeah big arm over the top and and then you know he throws people right so then you know he throws people right so then you know he throws people right so they were saying yeah but stop you can't they were saying yeah but stop you can't they were saying yeah but stop you can't stop him doing it this guy is 6' n yeah stop him doing it this guy is 6' n yeah stop him doing it this guy is 6' n yeah and he is built like goth you know he's and he is built like goth you know he's and he is built like goth you know he's like and he's he's and not only that like and he's he's and not only that like and he's he's and not only that he's skillful as well you know and and he's skillful as well you know and and he's skillful as well you know and and and he's got that mentality of a winner and he's got that mentality of a winner and he's got that mentality of a winner he has got that mentality of a winner he has got that mentality of a winner he has got that mentality of a winner there he just wins important matches and there he just wins important matches and there he just wins important matches and he goes over the top of the goup did he goes over the top of the goup did he goes over the top of the goup did they where is that land now in terms of they where is that land now in terms of they where is that land now in terms of rules over the top cuz those are some of rules over the top cuz those are some of rules over the top cuz those are some of the most epic awesome types of grips the most epic awesome types of grips the most epic awesome types of grips yeah uh just like over the top just big yeah uh just like over the top just big yeah uh just like over the top just big grab yeah well as long as they throw grab yeah well as long as they throw grab yeah well as long as they throw from it so they can take any grip as from it so they can take any grip as from it so they can take any grip as long as you move them and then catch long as you move them and then catch long as you move them and then catch them kind of Action Reaction really you them kind of Action Reaction really you them kind of Action Reaction really you know as long as you catch them on the know as long as you catch them on the know as long as you catch them on the Move then you can do it so as long as Move then you can do it so as long as Move then you can do it so as long as you're not using it to stall or that you're not using it to stall or that you're not using it to stall or that kind of stuff yeah you can't block out kind of stuff yeah you can't block out kind of stuff yeah you can't block out yeah so I mean if I so like for example yeah so I mean if I so like for example yeah so I mean if I so like for example if I've got dominant grip on you and I if I've got dominant grip on you and I if I've got dominant grip on you and I just block out I just stop I just stop just block out I just stop I just stop just block out I just stop I just stop you attacking me so then what I get you you attacking me so then what I get you you attacking me so then what I get you three pent penalties get you off and you three pent penalties get you off and you three pent penalties get you off and you haven't done an attack so you've got to haven't done an attack so you've got to haven't done an attack so you've got to stop that you can't have that yeah yeah stop that you can't have that yeah yeah stop that you can't have that yeah yeah definitely you were the favorite to win definitely you were the favorite to win definitely you were the favorite to win the 1984 Olympics but you got silver I the 1984 Olympics but you got silver I the 1984 Olympics but you got silver I watched that match several times you watched that match several times you watched that match several times you probably having have a playing in your probably having have a playing in your probably having have a playing in your head so there is uh a nice change of

head so there is uh a nice change of head so there is uh a nice change of Direction by your opponent German Frank Direction by your opponent German Frank Direction by your opponent German Frank Wii yeah it was a fake right uchimata Wii yeah it was a fake right uchimata Wii yeah it was a fake right uchimata and then to a left drops and then to a left drops and then to a left drops Sagi uh how did that loss Sagi uh how did that loss Sagi uh how did that loss feel devastating is is not you know it's feel devastating is is not you know it's feel devastating is is not you know it's not enough really um because you know not enough really um because you know not enough really um because you know the strange thing was is coming into the strange thing was is coming into the strange thing was is coming into that Olympics I was tired really tired that Olympics I was tired really tired that Olympics I was tired really tired so my mental state wasn't the best so my mental state wasn't the best so my mental state wasn't the best wasn't certainly the same as it was wasn't certainly the same as it was wasn't certainly the same as it was coming into the coming into the coming into the previous um and I I I remember thinking previous um and I I I remember thinking previous um and I I I remember thinking I just need to get this over with then I just need to get this over with then I just need to get this over with then I'm going to have a break and just have I'm going to have a break and just have I'm going to have a break and just have a rest you know and and that's totally a rest you know and and that's totally a rest you know and and that's totally the wrong attitude you it's just not not the wrong attitude you it's just not not the wrong attitude you it's just not not good for for going into an Olympic Games good for for going into an Olympic Games good for for going into an Olympic Games and uh so I I was uh coming in there and uh so I I was uh coming in there and uh so I I was uh coming in there with a different mindset and I with a different mindset and I with a different mindset and I remember every match that I had I was remember every match that I had I was remember every match that I had I was winning well but I was winning with a winning well but I was winning with a winning well but I was winning with a struggle you know it was it was really struggle you know it was it was really struggle you know it was it was really not I'd fought Novak and I was pretty uh not I'd fought Novak and I was pretty uh not I'd fought Novak and I was pretty uh of France who was one of the strongest of France who was one of the strongest of France who was one of the strongest physically uh that was in the quarter I physically uh that was in the quarter I physically uh that was in the quarter I beat Brett Baron by an ion I I arm beat Brett Baron by an ion I I arm beat Brett Baron by an ion I I arm locked him um I won my first match by locked him um I won my first match by locked him um I won my first match by ion as well and then Michelle Noak I was ion as well and then Michelle Noak I was ion as well and then Michelle Noak I was fighting of France and I was lucky to W

fighting of France and I was lucky to W fighting of France and I was lucky to W to to win it I was up I would scored on to to win it I was up I would scored on to to win it I was up I would scored on him but I was like starting to defend him but I was like starting to defend him but I was like starting to defend and just everything that I talked to you and just everything that I talked to you and just everything that I talked to you about you know and then just about held about you know and then just about held about you know and then just about held on and and then I won and you know so on and and then I won and you know so on and and then I won and you know so him and I were talking afterwards like him and I were talking afterwards like him and I were talking afterwards like some years afterwards and he said I was some years afterwards and he said I was some years afterwards and he said I was close wasn't I I was yeah but not close enough I didn't mean it but I had to say enough I didn't mean it but I had to say it right of course of course so I and no it right of course of course so I and no it right of course of course so I and no he was right you know and it was one of he was right you know and it was one of he was right you know and it was one of those so I was through to the semi-final those so I was through to the semi-final those so I was through to the semi-final I fought I fought I fought lesac uh in the semi-final of uh and uh lesac uh in the semi-final of uh and uh lesac uh in the semi-final of uh and uh I'd fought him in the semi-final of the I'd fought him in the semi-final of the I'd fought him in the semi-final of the worlds as well uh I'd never gone time worlds as well uh I'd never gone time worlds as well uh I'd never gone time with him you know i' never i' always with him you know i' never i' always with him you know i' never i' always beaten him fairly easily and with by ion beaten him fairly easily and with by ion beaten him fairly easily and with by ion and um that went time so I was you know and um that went time so I was you know and um that went time so I was you know I was I just just glad to get it done I was I just just glad to get it done I was I just just glad to get it done and I was in the final then against and I was in the final then against and I was in the final then against Frank vinar uh of Germany and I'd beaten Frank vinar uh of Germany and I'd beaten Frank vinar uh of Germany and I'd beaten Viner before but he was just a young Viner before but he was just a young Viner before but he was just a young German coming through and when I started German coming through and when I started German coming through and when I started the final I was uh I thought right I've the final I was uh I thought right I've the final I was uh I thought right I've just I and I just I and I just I and I started uh all my techniques just that started uh all my techniques just that started uh all my techniques just that little bit off nothing was little bit off nothing was little bit off nothing was coordinated just it was just I can't coordinated just it was just I can't coordinated just it was just I can't really explain why it was just a little really explain why it was just a little really explain why it was just a little bit off and I I see it so often now with bit off and I I see it so often now with bit off and I I see it so often now with um a lot of the guys that are going for um a lot of the guys that are going for um a lot of the guys that are going for second third Olympic Games and uh I see second third Olympic Games and uh I see second third Olympic Games and uh I see their their technique just not quite

their their technique just not quite their their technique just not quite there and they're struggling and and I there and they're struggling and and I there and they're struggling and and I know when they you know I know what know when they you know I know what know when they you know I know what they're going through and I I kind of they're going through and I I kind of they're going through and I I kind of empathize with them well you were it empathize with them well you were it empathize with them well you were it felt like you were dominating that final felt like you were dominating that final felt like you were dominating that final I dominated it yeah I was winning yeah I I dominated it yeah I was winning yeah I I dominated it yeah I was winning yeah I was I and and actually if it got another was I and and actually if it got another was I and and actually if it got another minute and a half it would have been all minute and a half it would have been all minute and a half it would have been all over and I would have been Olympic over and I would have been Olympic over and I would have been Olympic champion and it would have been done he champion and it would have been done he champion and it would have been done he wouldn't have battered an eyelid right wouldn't have battered an eyelid right wouldn't have battered an eyelid right cuz he he would have fought me really cuz he he would have fought me really cuz he he would have fought me really really well and he would have you know really well and he would have you know really well and he would have you know we talked about it afterwards and he we talked about it afterwards and he we talked about it afterwards and he said he just my good day for me you know said he just my good day for me you know said he just my good day for me you know and he knows he was very respectful this and he knows he was very respectful this and he knows he was very respectful this guy is very respectful he was surprised guy is very respectful he was surprised guy is very respectful he was surprised almost I mean not almost he was very almost I mean not almost he was very almost I mean not almost he was very surprised and celebrating like a a surprised and celebrating like a a surprised and celebrating like a a surprise jumping up and down like you surprise jumping up and down like you surprise jumping up and down like you know he do and you know you can look at know he do and you know you can look at know he do and you know you can look at that can't you go well it was an ipon that can't you go well it was an ipon that can't you go well it was an ipon but you know what I got got it back I but you know what I got got it back I but you know what I got got it back I don't know I just I think that um don't know I just I think that um don't know I just I think that um actually taking the pressure off cuz actually taking the pressure off cuz actually taking the pressure off cuz that was another thing as well pressure that was another thing as well pressure that was another thing as well pressure of being favorite you know and I see of being favorite you know and I see of being favorite you know and I see that with a lot of them and uh you know that with a lot of them and uh you know that with a lot of them and uh you know the great Champions the ones that keep the great Champions the ones that keep the great Champions the ones that keep coming through capellic there's a guy coming through capellic there's a guy coming through capellic there's a guy you know he can look very ordinary and you know he can look very ordinary and you know he can look very ordinary and then comes the big tournament and he then comes the big tournament and he then comes the big tournament and he he'll win it the tragedy of the Olympic Games I it the tragedy of the Olympic Games I mean you were the favorite and just like mean you were the favorite and just like mean you were the favorite and just like that like split moment you lost it split that like split moment you lost it split that like split moment you lost it split moment devastating and um lived it moment devastating and um lived it moment devastating and um lived it probably not every day but you know probably not every day but you know probably not every day but you know Nikki my wife will tell you that uh Nikki my wife will tell you that uh Nikki my wife will tell you that uh woken up in sweats uh and you know um I

woken up in sweats uh and you know um I woken up in sweats uh and you know um I and I think they contributed as well and I think they contributed as well and I think they contributed as well because I had a period of my my life because I had a period of my my life because I had a period of my my life after where I was drinking too much and after where I was drinking too much and after where I was drinking too much and you know and and I I think kind of uh you know and and I I think kind of uh you know and and I I think kind of uh when I look back kind of let when I look back kind of let when I look back kind of let into th that that kind of dark period of into th that that kind of dark period of into th that that kind of dark period of my life you know and um I never ever my life you know and um I never ever my life you know and um I never ever ever you know did it go through my mind ever you know did it go through my mind ever you know did it go through my mind anything else but it definitely affected anything else but it definitely affected anything else but it definitely affected me and I was on a downward kind of me and I was on a downward kind of me and I was on a downward kind of spiral in a lot of different ways and um spiral in a lot of different ways and um spiral in a lot of different ways and um would still even you know when we we would still even you know when we we would still even you know when we we have an amazing marriage and we have have an amazing marriage and we have have an amazing marriage and we have amazing family and everything's great amazing family and everything's great amazing family and everything's great but I still wake up sometimes and I'll but I still wake up sometimes and I'll but I still wake up sometimes and I'll say I've just dreamt you know that and say I've just dreamt you know that and say I've just dreamt you know that and it's it's the same reoccurring dream it's it's the same reoccurring dream it's it's the same reoccurring dream where I'm trying to get somewhere and where I'm trying to get somewhere and where I'm trying to get somewhere and I'm trying to put it right you know and I'm trying to put it right you know and I'm trying to put it right you know and I I I've got this chance of uh putting I I I've got this chance of uh putting I I I've got this chance of uh putting this Olympic final right you know in in this Olympic final right you know in in this Olympic final right you know in in in this dream I've got a chance of doing in this dream I've got a chance of doing in this dream I've got a chance of doing it but I can't get there and the traffic it but I can't get there and the traffic it but I can't get there and the traffic stopping me or something stops me and I stopping me or something stops me and I stopping me or something stops me and I you know and then I wake up and I'm you know and then I wake up and I'm you know and then I wake up and I'm sweating and it's it's and you think sweating and it's it's and you think sweating and it's it's and you think well after all this time that's not well after all this time that's not well after all this time that's not possible but it is and it happens yeah I possible but it is and it happens yeah I possible but it is and it happens yeah I mean in the match itself there's that mean in the match itself there's that mean in the match itself there's that feeling for for me just watching it like feeling for for me just watching it like feeling for for me just watching it like you're you're going for throws you're you're you're going for throws you're you're you're going for throws you're you're almost getting there with the you're almost getting there with the you're almost getting there with the throws and it's almost like he's going throws and it's almost like he's going throws and it's almost like he's going for a kind of crappy chimata and then for a kind of crappy chimata and then for a kind of crappy chimata and then you're just like you're stopping you're you're just like you're stopping you're you're just like you're stopping you're blocking it and all a sudden I mean blocking it and all a sudden I mean blocking it and all a sudden I mean that's the beauty of the Olympics he that's the beauty of the Olympics he that's the beauty of the Olympics he finds it in himself to switch Yeah in finds it in himself to switch Yeah in finds it in himself to switch Yeah in that like against a favorite against

that like against a favorite against that like against a favorite against sort of the Great British judoka just sort of the Great British judoka just sort of the Great British judoka just finds the perfect drop sayanagi finds the perfect drop sayanagi finds the perfect drop sayanagi well you know well you know well you know his um Team doctor and Coach he came up his um Team doctor and Coach he came up his um Team doctor and Coach he came up to me afterwards and said I'm just to me afterwards and said I'm just to me afterwards and said I'm just really sorry and that's all they said is really sorry and that's all they said is really sorry and that's all they said is I'm just really sorry they were sorry I'm just really sorry they were sorry I'm just really sorry they were sorry because you know obviously the obvious because you know obviously the obvious because you know obviously the obvious sadness about that you know and and um sadness about that you know and and um sadness about that you know and and um of course everybody takes their you know of course everybody takes their you know of course everybody takes their you know I went actually two and a was it three I went actually two and a was it three I went actually two and a was it three weeks later the German open so he he had weeks later the German open so he he had weeks later the German open so he he had to compete in the German open three to compete in the German open three to compete in the German open three weeks later so I went over to fight him weeks later so I went over to fight him weeks later so I went over to fight him and uh and beat him in the final of the and uh and beat him in the final of the and uh and beat him in the final of the German open and it didn't do anything German open and it didn't do anything German open and it didn't do anything for me because it was a much tighter for me because it was a much tighter for me because it was a much tighter match he was a lot closer he had a lot match he was a lot closer he had a lot match he was a lot closer he had a lot more confidence coming in so he fought more confidence coming in so he fought more confidence coming in so he fought me a lot differently and then it was me me a lot differently and then it was me me a lot differently and then it was me pulling it back and just managing to win pulling it back and just managing to win pulling it back and just managing to win in the final and I thought well that in the final and I thought well that in the final and I thought well that might appease it appeased nothing didn't might appease it appeased nothing didn't might appease it appeased nothing didn't do anything when you give your whole do anything when you give your whole do anything when you give your whole life to Judo just and your love of life to Judo just and your love of life to Judo just and your love of winning that's crazy how much the winning that's crazy how much the winning that's crazy how much the Olympic Games Olympic Games Olympic Games mean it it means so much and I I think mean it it means so much and I I think mean it it means so much and I I think you know but I I've got to and I've got you know but I I've got to and I've got you know but I I've got to and I've got to say this and this is honestly you to say this and this is honestly you to say this and this is honestly you know if it meant that if i' have won know if it meant that if i' have won know if it meant that if i' have won that Olympic Games and it had changed my that Olympic Games and it had changed my that Olympic Games and it had changed my life into a different direction which I life into a different direction which I life into a different direction which I probably would have not competed in the probably would have not competed in the probably would have not competed in the 88 Olympic Games then all right so if it 88 Olympic Games then all right so if it 88 Olympic Games then all right so if it had changed my life and then I didn't

had changed my life and then I didn't had changed my life and then I didn't have I didn't meet my wife and I you have I didn't meet my wife and I you have I didn't meet my wife and I you know didn't have my family that I've got know didn't have my family that I've got know didn't have my family that I've got now there's no um you know I would uh I now there's no um you know I would uh I now there's no um you know I would uh I wouldn't swap that what I've got now for wouldn't swap that what I've got now for wouldn't swap that what I've got now for anything well part of the demons that anything well part of the demons that anything well part of the demons that you've gotten to know because of those you've gotten to know because of those you've gotten to know because of those losses is part of probably the central losses is part of probably the central losses is part of probably the central reason that made you the man you are a reason that made you the man you are a reason that made you the man you are a legend of the sport you could have been legend of the sport you could have been legend of the sport you could have been not that because an Olympic gold is just not that because an Olympic gold is just not that because an Olympic gold is just an Olympic gold yeah and it is isn't it an Olympic gold yeah and it is isn't it an Olympic gold yeah and it is isn't it you know and I think that there's a lot you know and I think that there's a lot you know and I think that there's a lot of Olympic Champions and world of Olympic Champions and world of Olympic Champions and world champions that win and then I champions that win and then I champions that win and then I forgotten and I said to uh Nikki I said forgotten and I said to uh Nikki I said forgotten and I said to uh Nikki I said um my wife I said I don't want to be um my wife I said I don't want to be um my wife I said I don't want to be forgotten and I want to be remembered so forgotten and I want to be remembered so forgotten and I want to be remembered so if I'm going to do anything anything I if I'm going to do anything anything I if I'm going to do anything anything I do if I'm going to do commentary or do if I'm going to do commentary or do if I'm going to do commentary or whatever it is or coaching I want to do whatever it is or coaching I want to do whatever it is or coaching I want to do coaching to a high level and I want to coaching to a high level and I want to coaching to a high level and I want to commentate at a high level I remember commentate at a high level I remember commentate at a high level I remember the first commentary I ever did it was the first commentary I ever did it was the first commentary I ever did it was terrible and and I just thought I've got terrible and and I just thought I've got terrible and and I just thought I've got to do better than this and I I thought I to do better than this and I I thought I to do better than this and I I thought I just I need to do it well and I've got just I need to do it well and I've got just I need to do it well and I've got to do it professionally so in the book A to do it professionally so in the book A to do it professionally so in the book A Game of throws you have a chapter titled Game of throws you have a chapter titled Game of throws you have a chapter titled lessons and losing so what are some of lessons and losing so what are some of lessons and losing so what are some of the lessons here what are the some of the lessons here what are the some of the lessons here what are the some of the deeper lessons you've pulled out of the deeper lessons you've pulled out of the deeper lessons you've pulled out of losing I think great Champions are made losing I think great Champions are made losing I think great Champions are made up of the up of the up of the people that handle it in the right

people that handle it in the right people that handle it in the right way and you could say well I I don't way and you could say well I I don't way and you could say well I I don't like losing and I you know and you could like losing and I you know and you could like losing and I you know and you could throw your dummy out the prom and throw your dummy out the prom and throw your dummy out the prom and you can be a bad loser in front of you can be a bad loser in front of you can be a bad loser in front of everybody and actually people pick up on everybody and actually people pick up on everybody and actually people pick up on that very very quickly you know what that very very quickly you know what that very very quickly you know what it's like in broadcasting right somebody it's like in broadcasting right somebody it's like in broadcasting right somebody has a a bad word to say about somebody has a a bad word to say about somebody has a a bad word to say about somebody and Y and you it but but actually the and Y and you it but but actually the and Y and you it but but actually the ones that endear themselves to you are ones that endear themselves to you are ones that endear themselves to you are the ones that handle it in the right way the ones that handle it in the right way the ones that handle it in the right way the correct way doesn't mean that you've the correct way doesn't mean that you've the correct way doesn't mean that you've got to like it I didn't like it and uh I got to like it I didn't like it and uh I got to like it I didn't like it and uh I thought that I handled it certainly in thought that I handled it certainly in thought that I handled it certainly in later years in the right way uh and I later years in the right way uh and I later years in the right way uh and I like to see athletes do it in the right like to see athletes do it in the right like to see athletes do it in the right way you know and I I think that's it's a way you know and I I think that's it's a way you know and I I think that's it's a make or break situation it's not not all make or break situation it's not not all make or break situation it's not not all the contests they win it's the one that the contests they win it's the one that the contests they win it's the one that they lose and then how they pick they lose and then how they pick they lose and then how they pick themselves up and handle themselves themselves up and handle themselves themselves up and handle themselves after so I think um that that is a big after so I think um that that is a big after so I think um that that is a big one for me and also I mean I I went one for me and also I mean I I went one for me and also I mean I I went through you know obviously a later through you know obviously a later through you know obviously a later divorce and um that was difficult on my divorce and um that was difficult on my divorce and um that was difficult on my son really difficult on Ashley and then son really difficult on Ashley and then son really difficult on Ashley and then I was and I think that some of that was I was and I think that some of that was I was and I think that some of that was the fact that I was you know kind of I the fact that I was you know kind of I the fact that I was you know kind of I wasn't drinking all the time but I was wasn't drinking all the time but I was wasn't drinking all the time but I was drinking in excess at the wrong times drinking in excess at the wrong times drinking in excess at the wrong times you know and I think that that's what a you know and I think that that's what a you know and I think that that's what a lot of people do sometimes is that they lot of people do sometimes is that they lot of people do sometimes is that they use it for the wrong reasons you know use it for the wrong reasons you know use it for the wrong reasons you know and I I used to hear it I I hear it now and I I used to hear it I I hear it now and I I used to hear it I I hear it now all the time you know and is that you all the time you know and is that you all the time you know and is that you know I I need to knock the edge off and know I I need to knock the edge off and know I I need to knock the edge off and I need need to just forget and I need to

I need need to just forget and I need to I need need to just forget and I need to you know and you need to be in a fuzzy you know and you need to be in a fuzzy you know and you need to be in a fuzzy place for a while and uh I had aot L of place for a while and uh I had aot L of place for a while and uh I had aot L of time in in fuzzy place and I needed to time in in fuzzy place and I needed to time in in fuzzy place and I needed to get rid of that you know and I needed to get rid of that you know and I needed to get rid of that you know and I needed to clear my head where was that place the clear my head where was that place the clear my head where was that place the some of the lower points in your life some of the lower points in your life some of the lower points in your life that you've reached that you've reached that you've reached mentally I think you know definitely you mentally I think you know definitely you mentally I think you know definitely you know the fact know the fact know the fact that um my marriage first marriage that um my marriage first marriage that um my marriage first marriage didn't work you know and that was you didn't work you know and that was you didn't work you know and that was you know it's a mix of things that you know know it's a mix of things that you know know it's a mix of things that you know between us and and then you know so between us and and then you know so between us and and then you know so that's not where I wanted to be at the that's not where I wanted to be at the that's not where I wanted to be at the time time time and the effects that it had on my son and the effects that it had on my son and the effects that it had on my son and it took a long time for him then to and it took a long time for him then to and it took a long time for him then to come around and to to trust me again you come around and to to trust me again you come around and to to trust me again you know and um and to have belief he always know and um and to have belief he always know and um and to have belief he always had belief in me but um to trust me had belief in me but um to trust me had belief in me but um to trust me again and then um I think that that that again and then um I think that that that again and then um I think that that that was low and and I think that you what I was low and and I think that you what I was low and and I think that you what I look back is that um a lot of my bad look back is that um a lot of my bad look back is that um a lot of my bad decisions were when I was in that fuzzy decisions were when I was in that fuzzy decisions were when I was in that fuzzy kind of haze and uh then it got kind of haze and uh then it got kind of haze and uh then it got progressively worse that got progressively worse that got progressively worse that got progressively worse uh to the degree progressively worse uh to the degree progressively worse uh to the degree where it was you know trying to hide it where it was you know trying to hide it where it was you know trying to hide it and trying to hide how much uh and I was and trying to hide how much uh and I was and trying to hide how much uh and I was kind of a kind of a kind of a functioning kind of drunk I you know I I functioning kind of drunk I you know I I functioning kind of drunk I you know I I think you could probably say that and I think you could probably say that and I think you could probably say that and I you know I was functioning I was still

you know I was functioning I was still you know I was functioning I was still able to I was still training most days able to I was still training most days able to I was still training most days crazily enough you know I was training crazily enough you know I was training crazily enough you know I was training to kind of mask it and cover it and that to kind of mask it and cover it and that to kind of mask it and cover it and that was probably my savior that I was still was probably my savior that I was still was probably my savior that I was still you know cuz I I remember I said to my you know cuz I I remember I said to my you know cuz I I remember I said to my wife said to Nikki um I'm probably the wife said to Nikki um I'm probably the wife said to Nikki um I'm probably the fittest if if I'm you know a drunk then fittest if if I'm you know a drunk then fittest if if I'm you know a drunk then I'm a fittest drunk in the world she I'm a fittest drunk in the world she I'm a fittest drunk in the world she said yeah you're probably are actually said yeah you're probably are actually said yeah you're probably are actually you know I was in great condition for a you know I was in great condition for a you know I was in great condition for a drunk so the the the fuzzy Haze where drunk so the the the fuzzy Haze where drunk so the the the fuzzy Haze where was your mind did you have periods of was your mind did you have periods of was your mind did you have periods of depression I had uh periods of depression I had uh periods of depression I had uh periods of depression depression I I can honestly depression depression I I can honestly depression depression I I can honestly say that my my depression wasn't that say that my my depression wasn't that say that my my depression wasn't that bad although I did you know when it's bad although I did you know when it's bad although I did you know when it's like anything that gives you an up you like anything that gives you an up you like anything that gives you an up you know it gives you a an even bigger down know it gives you a an even bigger down know it gives you a an even bigger down doesn't it you know and and so I hated doesn't it you know and and so I hated doesn't it you know and and so I hated that feeling and also hated myself for that feeling and also hated myself for that feeling and also hated myself for letting it happen because I I have got letting it happen because I I have got letting it happen because I I have got this really it's a this really it's a this really it's a bizarre uh I don't know whether you can bizarre uh I don't know whether you can bizarre uh I don't know whether you can call it a power but I I have the ability call it a power but I I have the ability call it a power but I I have the ability to be able to say stop and I I I can to be able to say stop and I I I can to be able to say stop and I I I can just and that's what I did in the end in just and that's what I did in the end in just and that's what I did in the end in the end there was an incident um when I the end there was an incident um when I the end there was an incident um when I was working for Belgium Judo and there was working for Belgium Judo and there was working for Belgium Judo and there was an incident it was Christmas it was was an incident it was Christmas it was was an incident it was Christmas it was I tell you exactly the day it was 20th I tell you exactly the day it was 20th I tell you exactly the day it was 20th of December and uh uh me and a a Belgian of December and uh uh me and a a Belgian of December and uh uh me and a a Belgian coach we got um absolutely coach we got um absolutely coach we got um absolutely Hamed but we were at the wrong place and

Hamed but we were at the wrong place and Hamed but we were at the wrong place and it got noticed and and uh so I remember it got noticed and and uh so I remember it got noticed and and uh so I remember they they pulled me up in front of this they they pulled me up in front of this they they pulled me up in front of this board and I looked down at these guys board and I looked down at these guys board and I looked down at these guys and half of them were people I didn't and half of them were people I didn't and half of them were people I didn't want to be in that situation with you want to be in that situation with you want to be in that situation with you know they're they're not people that I know they're they're not people that I know they're they're not people that I respected and they're not people that I respected and they're not people that I respected and they're not people that I trusted so uh I trusted so uh I trusted so uh I said um if you're going to sack me sack said um if you're going to sack me sack said um if you're going to sack me sack me but I can I'll promise you now that I me but I can I'll promise you now that I me but I can I'll promise you now that I will just I this this is it I'll stop will just I this this is it I'll stop will just I this this is it I'll stop I'm just going to stop have decided on I'm just going to stop have decided on I'm just going to stop have decided on the way back in the car I uh rang uh the way back in the car I uh rang uh the way back in the car I uh rang uh Nikki up my wife and I said whatever you Nikki up my wife and I said whatever you Nikki up my wife and I said whatever you hear now whatever I'm just going to stop hear now whatever I'm just going to stop hear now whatever I'm just going to stop so uh that was it stopped you just saw so uh that was it stopped you just saw so uh that was it stopped you just saw the moment it said stop stop so that the moment it said stop stop so that the moment it said stop stop so that fuzzy place what advice could you give fuzzy place what advice could you give fuzzy place what advice could you give to people about how to overcome that to people about how to overcome that to people about how to overcome that that dark place the depression whether that dark place the depression whether that dark place the depression whether it has to do with drinking or not it has to do with drinking or not it has to do with drinking or not I think I think I think um if it's to do with um if it's to do with um if it's to do with drinking all I can say is is that the um drinking all I can say is is that the um drinking all I can say is is that the um two days or a week into not drinking two days or a week into not drinking two days or a week into not drinking you'll feel different you know it'll you'll feel different you know it'll you'll feel different you know it'll make a physical difference and uh you'll make a physical difference and uh you'll make a physical difference and uh you'll like that physical like that physical like that physical difference and then from a mental difference and then from a mental difference and then from a mental perspective as well because I think that perspective as well because I think that perspective as well because I think that um you know you it you have a massive

um you know you it you have a massive um you know you it you have a massive Downer you know um and I I think that Downer you know um and I I think that Downer you know um and I I think that that must be because of drugs as well that must be because of drugs as well that must be because of drugs as well because I had a situation with my because I had a situation with my because I had a situation with my brother you know he was like um you know brother you know he was like um you know brother you know he was like um you know um he professional wrestling and the um he professional wrestling and the um he professional wrestling and the drugs was an element there and you know drugs was an element there and you know drugs was an element there and you know so I'd never touched a drug or even seen so I'd never touched a drug or even seen so I'd never touched a drug or even seen one in my life but um you know I'd let one in my life but um you know I'd let one in my life but um you know I'd let the alcohol side go too far and then the alcohol side go too far and then the alcohol side go too far and then decided never to do that so then I guess decided never to do that so then I guess decided never to do that so then I guess I had people ringing me up you know I had people ringing me up you know I had people ringing me up you know saying you know how how can uh we stop saying you know how how can uh we stop saying you know how how can uh we stop you know so when they say can I have a you know so when they say can I have a you know so when they say can I have a word and can I discuss something with word and can I discuss something with word and can I discuss something with you and I know then what they want to you and I know then what they want to you and I know then what they want to discuss with me you know and and the discuss with me you know and and the discuss with me you know and and the thing is is that I would say you know thing is is that I would say you know thing is is that I would say you know you if you stop then feel the effects of you if you stop then feel the effects of you if you stop then feel the effects of of of of of it and it will make a of of of of it and it will make a of of of of it and it will make a difference to your everyday life and difference to your everyday life and difference to your everyday life and that that will make a massive difference that that will make a massive difference that that will make a massive difference and um I think about anybody who kind of and um I think about anybody who kind of and um I think about anybody who kind of you know is down all the time is to find you know is down all the time is to find you know is down all the time is to find the the cause of what's the the cause of what's the the cause of what's pushing you down you know what I mean pushing you down you know what I mean pushing you down you know what I mean and and and try and um try and attack and and and try and um try and attack and and and try and um try and attack that uh I mean you because it's never that uh I mean you because it's never that uh I mean you because it's never somebody once said to me they said somebody once said to me they said somebody once said to me they said whatever you got you know we we've got whatever you got you know we we've got whatever you got you know we we've got something special I mean we we uh have a something special I mean we we uh have a something special I mean we we uh have a great life and I've had a great great life and I've had a great great life and I've had a great competition record you know but it could competition record you know but it could competition record you know but it could have been better but it was great but I have been better but it was great but I have been better but it was great but I I've had um success uh with my business

I've had um success uh with my business I've had um success uh with my business and we're still out there and we have a and we're still out there and we have a and we're still out there and we have a great life we travel all the world and great life we travel all the world and great life we travel all the world and you know there's people out there that you know there's people out there that you know there's people out there that would live in your house at the drop of would live in your house at the drop of would live in your house at the drop of a hat wherever you are they drive your a hat wherever you are they drive your a hat wherever you are they drive your car you know no matter what car it is car you know no matter what car it is car you know no matter what car it is some people haven't got a car you know some people haven't got a car you know some people haven't got a car you know and whatever food you're having and and whatever food you're having and and whatever food you're having and you're moaning about the food right that you're moaning about the food right that you're moaning about the food right that there somebody out there that would take there somebody out there that would take there somebody out there that would take that and gladly eat that all right so that and gladly eat that all right so that and gladly eat that all right so there's always somebody worse off than there's always somebody worse off than there's always somebody worse off than you and I think that um we tend to you and I think that um we tend to you and I think that um we tend to sometimes you know look look at the sometimes you know look look at the sometimes you know look look at the things that we haven't got rather than things that we haven't got rather than things that we haven't got rather than the things we have got yeah it's a skill the things we have got yeah it's a skill the things we have got yeah it's a skill probably just to be grateful for the probably just to be grateful for the probably just to be grateful for the things you have exactly as you said in things you have exactly as you said in things you have exactly as you said in this sometimes the little things like this sometimes the little things like this sometimes the little things like food and yeah cars and all that kind of food and yeah cars and all that kind of food and yeah cars and all that kind of stuff just to have gratitude for and stuff just to have gratitude for and stuff just to have gratitude for and family all this kind of family all this kind of family all this kind of stuff but it's still I you know having stuff but it's still I you know having stuff but it's still I you know having talked to a bunch of Olympic talked to a bunch of Olympic talked to a bunch of Olympic athletes there is a you know when you athletes there is a you know when you athletes there is a you know when you give so much of your life to winning and give so much of your life to winning and give so much of your life to winning and then you lose sometimes even when you then you lose sometimes even when you then you lose sometimes even when you win but when you lose at the very top win but when you lose at the very top win but when you lose at the very top it's a tough tough like tough thing to it's a tough tough like tough thing to it's a tough tough like tough thing to go through the most difficult thing I go through the most difficult thing I go through the most difficult thing I think for anybody is when they have to think for anybody is when they have to think for anybody is when they have to decide when to stop yeah yeah you know decide when to stop yeah yeah you know decide when to stop yeah yeah you know and and what that all of a sudden and I and and what that all of a sudden and I and and what that all of a sudden and I I see the ones that are going second I see the ones that are going second I see the ones that are going second Olympic Games and then third Olympic uh Olympic Games and then third Olympic uh Olympic Games and then third Olympic uh and and the ones that are there and and and the ones that are there and and and the ones that are there and they're holding on and they're in their

they're holding on and they're in their they're holding on and they're in their 30s now different to when they were 19 30s now different to when they were 19 30s now different to when they were 19 years of age you know 30 something is years of age you know 30 something is years of age you know 30 something is different to 19 and then what are you different to 19 and then what are you different to 19 and then what are you going to do afterwards you know and then going to do afterwards you know and then going to do afterwards you know and then how do you become just a normal person how do you become just a normal person how do you become just a normal person you're never going to be a normal person you're never going to be a normal person you're never going to be a normal person as such but I think you've got to do as such but I think you've got to do as such but I think you've got to do normal things you know and then you've normal things you know and then you've normal things you know and then you've got I remember the first time that when got I remember the first time that when got I remember the first time that when I finished competition I had good I finished competition I had good I finished competition I had good sponsors this was you know 40 years ago sponsors this was you know 40 years ago sponsors this was you know 40 years ago but I had uh two really good but I had uh two really good but I had uh two really good sponsorships um sponsorships um sponsorships um vitamin company and also judogi company vitamin company and also judogi company vitamin company and also judogi company and I had a car and do you know I had and I had a car and do you know I had and I had a car and do you know I had money I just and and I was going all money I just and and I was going all money I just and and I was going all over the world I was successful and then over the world I was successful and then over the world I was successful and then I I I stopped and they took everything back stopped and they took everything back stopped and they took everything back they took my car they did and they did they took my car they did and they did they took my car they did and they did it within two weeks as well they stopped it within two weeks as well they stopped it within two weeks as well they stopped my funding they you know and the vitamin my funding they you know and the vitamin my funding they you know and the vitamin company said thank you very much it's company said thank you very much it's company said thank you very much it's been a great you know we've done well by been a great you know we've done well by been a great you know we've done well by you byebye this was after your last you byebye this was after your last you byebye this was after your last Olympics 88 Olympics just you know when Olympics 88 Olympics just you know when Olympics 88 Olympics just you know when that finished and then that was it you that finished and then that was it you that finished and then that was it you know and then it's right okay first time know and then it's right okay first time know and then it's right okay first time I had to go in there and buy a tracksuit I had to go in there and buy a tracksuit I had to go in there and buy a tracksuit and a pair of training shoes and wow and a pair of training shoes and wow and a pair of training shoes and wow yeah those are diff sitting there in the yeah those are diff sitting there in the yeah those are diff sitting there in the evening by yourself so you go from 7 evening by yourself so you go from 7 evening by yourself so you go from 7 days a week or six days a week going days a week or six days a week going days a week or six days a week going into the gym and you know you're working into the gym and you know you're working into the gym and you know you're working out the dojo and and then you then you out the dojo and and then you then you out the dojo and and then you then you don't have to do it you know and that's don't have to do it you know and that's don't have to do it you know and that's why you get a lot of when they finished

why you get a lot of when they finished why you get a lot of when they finished competition they finished that 30 to 40 competition they finished that 30 to 40 competition they finished that 30 to 40 it's still I mean ilas is still doing it it's still I mean ilas is still doing it it's still I mean ilas is still doing it now he's still in there and he's still now he's still in there and he's still now he's still in there and he's still you know and because he can right okay you know and because he can right okay you know and because he can right okay and and and it's natural and I did and and and it's natural and I did and and and it's natural and I did exactly the same and then like I say you exactly the same and then like I say you exactly the same and then like I say you just get to an age and you just think just get to an age and you just think just get to an age and you just think I'm just G to kind of take a step back I'm just G to kind of take a step back I'm just G to kind of take a step back which is why like uh there's certain which is why like uh there's certain which is why like uh there's certain athletes like uh Rio kotani never stops athletes like uh Rio kotani never stops athletes like uh Rio kotani never stops it just dominates for uh 14 years it just dominates for uh 14 years it just dominates for uh 14 years probably one of the winningest athletes probably one of the winningest athletes probably one of the winningest athletes in Judo yeah seven time World Champ in Judo yeah seven time World Champ in Judo yeah seven time World Champ two-time Olympic champ medaled at five two-time Olympic champ medaled at five two-time Olympic champ medaled at five Olympics so it's always impressive when Olympics so it's always impressive when Olympics so it's always impressive when never stopped never stopped so that's an never stopped never stopped so that's an never stopped never stopped so that's an option if you're like the greatest be option if you're like the greatest be option if you're like the greatest be interesting wouldn't it just to see what interesting wouldn't it just to see what interesting wouldn't it just to see what they're doing now you know I mean they're doing now you know I mean they're doing now you know I mean because at some stage you have to get a because at some stage you have to get a because at some stage you have to get a normal you have to stop you do have to normal you have to stop you do have to normal you have to stop you do have to stop you know at some stage you have to stop you know at some stage you have to stop you know at some stage you have to decide what you going to do you know and decide what you going to do you know and decide what you going to do you know and we you know it's either into to coach we you know it's either into to coach we you know it's either into to coach the Judo is is either to coaching or if the Judo is is either to coaching or if the Judo is is either to coaching or if you're not in coaching then it's into um you're not in coaching then it's into um you're not in coaching then it's into um uh uh something to do with the media and uh uh something to do with the media and uh uh something to do with the media and you know I was lucky that I it was just you know I was lucky that I it was just you know I was lucky that I it was just by accident really with the commentary by accident really with the commentary by accident really with the commentary somebody said um would you do a voice somebody said um would you do a voice somebody said um would you do a voice over I so I did this voice over and that over I so I did this voice over and that over I so I did this voice over and that was uh back in 1982 I did that so you've was uh back in 1982 I did that so you've was uh back in 1982 I did that so you've been commentating since 1982 I did some been commentating since 1982 I did some been commentating since 1982 I did some voiceovers I wouldn't call it voiceovers I wouldn't call it voiceovers I wouldn't call it commentating commentating commentating uh but I did some voiceovers and then I

uh but I did some voiceovers and then I uh but I did some voiceovers and then I did some uh we did with some different did some uh we did with some different did some uh we did with some different European championships World European championships World European championships World Championship um kind of events and I did Championship um kind of events and I did Championship um kind of events and I did the voiceovers for it and the way that the voiceovers for it and the way that the voiceovers for it and the way that it was done uh that uh it was more it was done uh that uh it was more it was done uh that uh it was more narration and so it kind of turned into narration and so it kind of turned into narration and so it kind of turned into then somebody asked me to do an event then somebody asked me to do an event then somebody asked me to do an event and when you listen to the intonation of and when you listen to the intonation of and when you listen to the intonation of the voice and stuff like that it wasn't the voice and stuff like that it wasn't the voice and stuff like that it wasn't like it is now but I guess that's just like it is now but I guess that's just like it is now but I guess that's just something that developed as I you know something that developed as I you know something that developed as I you know because then it was coming from the because then it was coming from the because then it was coming from the heart MH and I you know started to get heart MH and I you know started to get heart MH and I you know started to get excited and just do my thing and it was excited and just do my thing and it was excited and just do my thing and it was just me really just my style well I've just me really just my style well I've just me really just my style well I've listened to your commentary from a while listened to your commentary from a while listened to your commentary from a while back I don't know if it's the 80s but back I don't know if it's the 80s but back I don't know if it's the 80s but it's still there I think it's timing as it's still there I think it's timing as it's still there I think it's timing as well isn't it it's like um you know you well isn't it it's like um you know you well isn't it it's like um you know you get your timing a bit better and know get your timing a bit better and know get your timing a bit better and know when to go in when to come out when to when to go in when to come out when to when to go in when to come out when to say something when not you know and know say something when not you know and know say something when not you know and know I think that in the early days I tended I think that in the early days I tended I think that in the early days I tended to think uh I tended to want to talk all to think uh I tended to want to talk all to think uh I tended to want to talk all the time and you don't have to do that the time and you don't have to do that the time and you don't have to do that oh so knowing want to shut up that's the oh so knowing want to shut up that's the oh so knowing want to shut up that's the key isn't it yeah part of the dramas and key isn't it yeah part of the dramas and key isn't it yeah part of the dramas and the the the silence building up to the to to the silence building up to the to to the silence building up to the to to the setup and the throw and all that kind of setup and the throw and all that kind of setup and the throw and all that kind of stuff but also you're very good stuff but also you're very good stuff but also you're very good at while uh radiating passion being very at while uh radiating passion being very at while uh radiating passion being very precise and specific about the details precise and specific about the details precise and specific about the details of the throw and the setup and why of the throw and the setup and why of the throw and the setup and why something worked and didn't so yeah I something worked and didn't so yeah I something worked and didn't so yeah I think I think there's two kinds of think I think there's two kinds of think I think there's two kinds of commentating you can commentate what you commentating you can commentate what you commentating you can commentate what you see and then you commentate what people

see and then you commentate what people see and then you commentate what people can't see you know and and so if you've can't see you know and and so if you've can't see you know and and so if you've got somebody that is not really got somebody that is not really got somebody that is not really understanding of what's happening in the understanding of what's happening in the understanding of what's happening in the inner part of the game so it might be a inner part of the game so it might be a inner part of the game so it might be a technical thing or it might be the technical thing or it might be the technical thing or it might be the Tactical part of the play here that's Tactical part of the play here that's Tactical part of the play here that's going on and if you can introduce that going on and if you can introduce that going on and if you can introduce that as well then you've got an as well then you've got an as well then you've got an advantage quick pause I need a bathro advantage quick pause I need a bathro advantage quick pause I need a bathro and break okay good stuff so we just and break okay good stuff so we just and break okay good stuff so we just took a little break and went to jotv took a little break and went to jotv took a little break and went to jotv decom which is I guess an igf website decom which is I guess an igf website decom which is I guess an igf website and igf is the organization behind a lot and igf is the organization behind a lot and igf is the organization behind a lot of the big Judo events in the world and of the big Judo events in the world and of the big Judo events in the world and I just signed up you should sign up too I just signed up you should sign up too I just signed up you should sign up too it's great absolutely sign up cheap for it's great absolutely sign up cheap for it's great absolutely sign up cheap for the price cheap at the price the price cheap at the price the price cheap at the price yeah and uh you can watch basically any yeah and uh you can watch basically any yeah and uh you can watch basically any match from uh the the grand slams and match from uh the the grand slams and match from uh the the grand slams and going back through history I guess yeah going back through history I guess yeah going back through history I guess yeah I've got to say Le I mean everybody I've got to say Le I mean everybody I've got to say Le I mean everybody still people saying to me oh you you still people saying to me oh you you still people saying to me oh you you know we need more Judo on television know we need more Judo on television know we need more Judo on television they've got Judo on television every they've got Judo on television every they've got Judo on television every other week that they can access all of other week that they can access all of other week that they can access all of the top people in all the top events and the top people in all the top events and the top people in all the top events and it costs $100 a year you know it's it's it costs $100 a year you know it's it's it costs $100 a year you know it's it's to access everything and they can play to access everything and they can play to access everything and they can play all the videos I mean we've just all the videos I mean we've just all the videos I mean we've just accessed this here uh the Paris accessed this here uh the Paris accessed this here uh the Paris tournament and we're going to have a tournament and we're going to have a tournament and we're going to have a look at Teddy Renee but um you know it's look at Teddy Renee but um you know it's look at Teddy Renee but um you know it's it's so it's cheap at the price so we're it's so it's cheap at the price so we're it's so it's cheap at the price so we're now in Paris Grand Slam 2024 Teddy now in Paris Grand Slam 2024 Teddy now in Paris Grand Slam 2024 Teddy reneer final by the way it's super cool reneer final by the way it's super cool reneer final by the way it's super cool like you click on the like you click on the like you click on the draw and you can just look at any of the

draw and you can just look at any of the draw and you can just look at any of the matches you go to the bottom of the matches you go to the bottom of the matches you go to the bottom of the finals you can go yeah to anyone any one finals you can go yeah to anyone any one finals you can go yeah to anyone any one of them that's so cool it's really well of them that's so cool it's really well of them that's so cool it's really well done really well done interface anyway done really well done interface anyway done really well done interface anyway let me first ask the ridiculous big let me first ask the ridiculous big let me first ask the ridiculous big question who do you think is the question who do you think is the question who do you think is the greatest of all time stady R in the greatest of all time stady R in the greatest of all time stady R in the writing he's the greatest Judo winner of writing he's the greatest Judo winner of writing he's the greatest Judo winner of all time of that there's no doubt you all time of that there's no doubt you all time of that there's no doubt you know I mean he is and I think if you know I mean he is and I think if you know I mean he is and I think if you asked him um whether he was the greatest asked him um whether he was the greatest asked him um whether he was the greatest Judo man in the world of all time he Judo man in the world of all time he Judo man in the world of all time he would say no I'm not you know and he's would say no I'm not you know and he's would say no I'm not you know and he's he's not the greatest Judo man there are he's not the greatest Judo man there are he's not the greatest Judo man there are people with um you know more beautiful people with um you know more beautiful people with um you know more beautiful Judo in some ways although he's got Judo in some ways although he's got Judo in some ways although he's got great technique but he he he is the great technique but he he he is the great technique but he he he is the ultimate winner 10 time world champ yeah ultimate winner 10 time world champ yeah ultimate winner 10 time world champ yeah two-time gold medalist in the Olympics I two-time gold medalist in the Olympics I two-time gold medalist in the Olympics I guess two time bronze medalist he's guess two time bronze medalist he's guess two time bronze medalist he's probably going is he's going to Paris probably going is he's going to Paris probably going is he's going to Paris yeah he's going after it again so he's yeah he's going after it again so he's yeah he's going after it again so he's right here I mean he's right there you right here I mean he's right there you right here I mean he's right there you know this was just a couple of months know this was just a couple of months know this was just a couple of months ago and then last week this uh last week ago and then last week this uh last week ago and then last week this uh last week he he was out again and he he won again he he was out again and he he won again he he was out again and he he won again you think he gets gold medal this time you think he gets gold medal this time you think he gets gold medal this time there's people getting closer to him there's people getting closer to him there's people getting closer to him right cuz he he's obviously you know is right cuz he he's obviously you know is right cuz he he's obviously you know is age wise and the amount of time that age wise and the amount of time that age wise and the amount of time that he's been there he he's been there he he's been there he obviously somebody that is starting not obviously somebody that is starting not obviously somebody that is starting not quite at his best as he was when was quite at his best as he was when was quite at his best as he was when was younger but he like I say he still puts younger but he like I say he still puts younger but he like I say he still puts it on the line he lays it on the line it on the line he lays it on the line it on the line he lays it on the line every single time and then not only does

every single time and then not only does every single time and then not only does he lay it on the line but he beats them he lay it on the line but he beats them he lay it on the line but he beats them all you know and last week he just beat all you know and last week he just beat all you know and last week he just beat Saito who was a young upand cominging Saito who was a young upand cominging Saito who was a young upand cominging Japanese fighter and uh he beat him in Japanese fighter and uh he beat him in Japanese fighter and uh he beat him in the final it was close and he did well the final it was close and he did well the final it was close and he did well there are certain people the smaller there are certain people the smaller there are certain people the smaller ones actually not the taller ones cuz ones actually not the taller ones cuz ones actually not the taller ones cuz like you know we're saying about the big like you know we're saying about the big like you know we're saying about the big arm over the top that he likes and the arm over the top that he likes and the arm over the top that he likes and the minent grip that he likes there are minent grip that he likes there are minent grip that he likes there are people that can give him a hard time now people that can give him a hard time now people that can give him a hard time now if at the Olympic Games he has two or if at the Olympic Games he has two or if at the Olympic Games he has two or three of those on the Trot it might work three of those on the Trot it might work three of those on the Trot it might work against him you know and it's by no against him you know and it's by no against him you know and it's by no means an absolute certainty that he's means an absolute certainty that he's means an absolute certainty that he's going to win the Olympic gold medal but going to win the Olympic gold medal but going to win the Olympic gold medal but he's got to be one of the favorites top he's got to be one of the favorites top he's got to be one of the favorites top favorite you know no matter what happens favorite you know no matter what happens favorite you know no matter what happens now Teddy reneer is is the greatest now Teddy reneer is is the greatest now Teddy reneer is is the greatest winner that you know and if you asked winner that you know and if you asked winner that you know and if you asked the great yasa he would say the same you the great yasa he would say the same you the great yasa he would say the same you know there's nobody that's you know and know there's nobody that's you know and know there's nobody that's you know and yasa was unbeaten an international yasa was unbeaten an international yasa was unbeaten an international competition and I I trained with yasa a competition and I I trained with yasa a competition and I I trained with yasa a lot uh over a 2-year period and got to lot uh over a 2-year period and got to lot uh over a 2-year period and got to know him quite well and he was one of know him quite well and he was one of know him quite well and he was one of the greatest of all times you know for the greatest of all times you know for the greatest of all times you know for me he was one of the greatest Judo men me he was one of the greatest Judo men me he was one of the greatest Judo men and um I'm talking about from a and um I'm talking about from a and um I'm talking about from a technical point of view from a technical point of view from a technical point of view from a spectacular Judo point of view uh spectacular Judo point of view uh spectacular Judo point of view uh understanding the uh fundamental understanding the uh fundamental understanding the uh fundamental principles of of how techniques work uh principles of of how techniques work uh principles of of how techniques work uh sometimes having you know different sometimes having you know different sometimes having you know different techniques that work for you you know so techniques that work for you you know so techniques that work for you you know so if one doesn't work and and one if one doesn't work and and one if one doesn't work and and one particular direction doesn't work you particular direction doesn't work you particular direction doesn't work you can change the direction completely in

can change the direction completely in can change the direction completely in case people don't know yamasha is this case people don't know yamasha is this case people don't know yamasha is this legendary jidoka heavyweight Teddy rer legendary jidoka heavyweight Teddy rer legendary jidoka heavyweight Teddy rer heavyweight that's plus 100 kg so he he heavyweight that's plus 100 kg so he he heavyweight that's plus 100 kg so he he would have caused him all sorts of would have caused him all sorts of would have caused him all sorts of problems oh yeah that would that's a problems oh yeah that would that's a problems oh yeah that would that's a cool who do you think wins the mar yes I cool who do you think wins the mar yes I cool who do you think wins the mar yes I think you but you know wait whoa whoa think you but you know wait whoa whoa think you but you know wait whoa whoa whoa whoa you think Mar be St r a i whoa whoa you think Mar be St r a i whoa whoa you think Mar be St r a i think so think so think so strong words you think so you think so strong words you think so you think so strong words you think so you think so yamasha is on the shorter side right yamasha is on the shorter side right yamasha is on the shorter side right yeah and he he he finds it more yeah and he he he finds it more yeah and he he he finds it more difficult with shorter people you know difficult with shorter people you know difficult with shorter people you know and uh so it it was um it would have and uh so it it was um it would have and uh so it it was um it would have been a very interesting uh confrontation been a very interesting uh confrontation been a very interesting uh confrontation and I think if you asked and I think if you asked and I think if you asked yasa um he would probably say you know yasa um he would probably say you know yasa um he would probably say you know that Teddy Renee he's very gracious he's that Teddy Renee he's very gracious he's that Teddy Renee he's very gracious he's really gracious it would be really good really gracious it would be really good really gracious it would be really good it would have been an unbel believable it would have been an unbel believable it would have been an unbel believable matchup and I and I've got to say this matchup and I and I've got to say this matchup and I and I've got to say this that you know Tedy reneer is the that you know Tedy reneer is the that you know Tedy reneer is the greatest winner of all time competition greatest winner of all time competition greatest winner of all time competition wise so it's interesting um both of them wise so it's interesting um both of them wise so it's interesting um both of them maybe you can correct me but have this maybe you can correct me but have this maybe you can correct me but have this oo gari which is kind of trip that I oo gari which is kind of trip that I oo gari which is kind of trip that I never never never understood yeah like it's a it's a it's understood yeah like it's a it's a it's understood yeah like it's a it's a it's a very tricky thing to do right it's a very tricky thing to do right it's a very tricky thing to do right it's very easy to do maybe as a white belt very easy to do maybe as a white belt very easy to do maybe as a white belt you roll in you can understand but like you roll in you can understand but like you roll in you can understand but like to do it at the high high high level you to do it at the high high high level you to do it at the high high high level you see any of the top guys see any of the top guys see any of the top guys now um especially if they're second time now um especially if they're second time now um especially if they're second time out you know so like they might catch

out you know so like they might catch out you know so like they might catch somebody by surprise they come out and somebody by surprise they come out and somebody by surprise they come out and they go bang oh and you go that was they go bang oh and you go that was they go bang oh and you go that was amazing right but if they fought again amazing right but if they fought again amazing right but if they fought again 10 minutes later you go you're not going 10 minutes later you go you're not going 10 minutes later you go you're not going to catch me with that right you got a to catch me with that right you got a to catch me with that right you got a different situation here and and so it's different situation here and and so it's different situation here and and so it's slightly different but the best fighters slightly different but the best fighters slightly different but the best fighters adapt like that and and they're able to adapt like that and and they're able to adapt like that and and they're able to see a situation feel the situation and see a situation feel the situation and see a situation feel the situation and they attack once and then go again and they attack once and then go again and they attack once and then go again and attack second third time and in the attack second third time and in the attack second third time and in the third time they make it work yeah both third time they make it work yeah both third time they make it work yeah both Yasha and and Ted r with sari they'll Yasha and and Ted r with sari they'll Yasha and and Ted r with sari they'll just like hit it over and over in the just like hit it over and over in the just like hit it over and over in the match yeah sometimes he'll hit first match yeah sometimes he'll hit first match yeah sometimes he'll hit first time and it won't go and then you make a time and it won't go and then you make a time and it won't go and then you make a Readjustment of the way in it's a little Readjustment of the way in it's a little Readjustment of the way in it's a little bit like I mean if you take um a really bit like I mean if you take um a really bit like I mean if you take um a really easy way of understanding it is that if easy way of understanding it is that if easy way of understanding it is that if we're shooting at a Target and all of a we're shooting at a Target and all of a we're shooting at a Target and all of a sudden you start moving that Target you sudden you start moving that Target you sudden you start moving that Target you know it's different hitting a moving know it's different hitting a moving know it's different hitting a moving Target but it's also different hitting a Target but it's also different hitting a Target but it's also different hitting a moving Target that's trying to hit you moving Target that's trying to hit you moving Target that's trying to hit you as well and that's our game right so as well and that's our game right so as well and that's our game right so we're we're not only trying to throw a we're we're not only trying to throw a we're we're not only trying to throw a moving Target we're trying to throw a moving Target we're trying to throw a moving Target we're trying to throw a moving Target that's trying to throw us moving Target that's trying to throw us moving Target that's trying to throw us so that makes it even more difficult so that makes it even more difficult so that makes it even more difficult yeah there's a there's a few folks yeah there's a there's a few folks yeah there's a there's a few folks who you know what's coming it's like who you know what's coming it's like who you know what's coming it's like over and over and over it's the same over and over and over it's the same over and over and over it's the same attack uh anyway with this uch attack uh anyway with this uch attack uh anyway with this uch it's like it's different it's it's it's like it's different it's it's it's like it's different it's it's different there's not many people like different there's not many people like different there's not many people like that where it's like this the same that where it's like this the same that where it's like this the same attack I mean there's other attacks also attack I mean there's other attacks also attack I mean there's other attacks also but they'll just go after the same thing but they'll just go after the same thing but they'll just go after the same thing over and over and over when I watch

over and over and over when I watch over and over and over when I watch great athletes most of them can throw great athletes most of them can throw great athletes most of them can throw over both flanks not always going left over both flanks not always going left over both flanks not always going left and right you know Although our sport and right you know Although our sport and right you know Although our sport always I mean the Cs are always always I mean the Cs are always always I mean the Cs are always demonstrated left and right so you like demonstrated left and right so you like demonstrated left and right so you like if you demonstrate if you do something if you demonstrate if you do something if you demonstrate if you do something on one one side on one one side on one one side you know then can you demonstrate it on you know then can you demonstrate it on you know then can you demonstrate it on the other side right okay so can you do the other side right okay so can you do the other side right okay so can you do it equally no but you do it differently it equally no but you do it differently it equally no but you do it differently right on the other side so you know when right on the other side so you know when right on the other side so you know when I'm teaching I I I don't teach left and I'm teaching I I I don't teach left and I'm teaching I I I don't teach left and right I teach so if I was teaching you right I teach so if I was teaching you right I teach so if I was teaching you to do a technique first thing I'd do is to do a technique first thing I'd do is to do a technique first thing I'd do is say I need you to take a sleeve and a say I need you to take a sleeve and a say I need you to take a sleeve and a lapel all right so I'd let you decide lapel all right so I'd let you decide lapel all right so I'd let you decide what was left and right okay cuz often what was left and right okay cuz often what was left and right okay cuz often what happens is we impart on people what happens is we impart on people what happens is we impart on people whether they're going to be left or whether they're going to be left or whether they're going to be left or right when we start teaching you know right when we start teaching you know right when we start teaching you know you get a lot of teachers do that all you get a lot of teachers do that all you get a lot of teachers do that all right and they'll say immediately are right and they'll say immediately are right and they'll say immediately are you what do you right with left or right you what do you right with left or right you what do you right with left or right hand and it's no indicator actually as hand and it's no indicator actually as hand and it's no indicator actually as to how we do Judo because I'm to how we do Judo because I'm to how we do Judo because I'm left-handed and I do more predominantly left-handed and I do more predominantly left-handed and I do more predominantly right-handed because I lead off my right-handed because I lead off my right-handed because I lead off my strongest hand and actually most people strongest hand and actually most people strongest hand and actually most people do you know so actually left and right do you know so actually left and right do you know so actually left and right is a bit of a trap sometimes you know is a bit of a trap sometimes you know is a bit of a trap sometimes you know when we're teaching better to get you when we're teaching better to get you when we're teaching better to get you know because we can go so my point was know because we can go so my point was know because we can go so my point was is that a lot of people can go both is that a lot of people can go both is that a lot of people can go both flanks so they'll do something over this flanks so they'll do something over this flanks so they'll do something over this side and something over this side but side and something over this side but side and something over this side but anyway was one-sided he was one-sided anyway was one-sided he was one-sided anyway was one-sided he was one-sided but he could he could switch it so he

but he could he could switch it so he but he could he could switch it so he had a um a cagi as well on the other had a um a cagi as well on the other had a um a cagi as well on the other side so he could switch it if he had to side so he could switch it if he had to side so he could switch it if he had to interesting yeah and uh by the way your interesting yeah and uh by the way your interesting yeah and uh by the way your opponent in opponent in opponent in 84 was he righty or Lefty he was a 84 was he righty or Lefty he was a 84 was he righty or Lefty he was a righty so that drop left yeah s where righty so that drop left yeah s where righty so that drop left yeah s where did that come from well I mean again it did that come from well I mean again it did that come from well I mean again it was you know he could have probably in was you know he could have probably in was you know he could have probably in other contests he'd hit me with it other contests he'd hit me with it other contests he'd hit me with it several times and i' just stopped it you several times and i' just stopped it you several times and i' just stopped it you know and uh just at the wrong place at know and uh just at the wrong place at know and uh just at the wrong place at the right time for him right place and the right time for him right place and the right time for him right place and the wrong time for me right that's life the wrong time for me right that's life the wrong time for me right that's life you yeah all right let's let's watch you yeah all right let's let's watch you yeah all right let's let's watch some tidy rire this is final of uh Paris rire this is final of uh Paris tournament and uh this is against the tournament and uh this is against the tournament and uh this is against the Korean the Korean had had a great day actually again shorter again shorter so actually again shorter again shorter so he does find that difficult have a look he does find that difficult have a look he does find that difficult have a look at Tedy Rene Tedy Rene will try and at Tedy Rene Tedy Rene will try and at Tedy Rene Tedy Rene will try and catch the sleeve uh he's after the catch the sleeve uh he's after the catch the sleeve uh he's after the sleeve and then the right arm over the sleeve and then the right arm over the sleeve and then the right arm over the top that's the key point for Teddy Renee and of course what he um what he Renee and of course what he um what he has done if he can't always catch the has done if he can't always catch the has done if he can't always catch the big uh osod gar over um his right right big uh osod gar over um his right right big uh osod gar over um his right right hand side he's been doing uh hand side he's been doing uh hand side he's been doing uh something to the opposite side and uh something to the opposite side and uh something to the opposite side and uh the koreen just went for a drops the koreen just went for a drops the koreen just went for a drops there and uh Tedd rer block with the

there and uh Tedd rer block with the there and uh Tedd rer block with the hips hips hips he's like I say he has difficulty always he's like I say he has difficulty always he's like I say he has difficulty always against somebody um smaller dropping against somebody um smaller dropping against somebody um smaller dropping with the c and aies has uh Ted rer ever with the c and aies has uh Ted rer ever with the c and aies has uh Ted rer ever been thrown for ION uh never thrown for been thrown for ION uh never thrown for been thrown for ION uh never thrown for ION but he was thrown last week week for ION but he was thrown last week week for ION but he was thrown last week week for a nice uh uh technique and he's being a nice uh uh technique and he's being a nice uh uh technique and he's being caught more and more so it's getting caught more and more so it's getting caught more and more so it's getting close yeah and um to say of in the final close yeah and um to say of in the final close yeah and um to say of in the final of the World Championships they had a of the World Championships they had a of the World Championships they had a strange situation there where tev um was strange situation there where tev um was strange situation there where tev um was a was a technique down and then uh a was a technique down and then uh a was a technique down and then uh pulled off a a counter and they didn't pulled off a a counter and they didn't pulled off a a counter and they didn't count it but then they over overruled it count it but then they over overruled it count it but then they over overruled it unfortunately I was commentating at the unfortunately I was commentating at the unfortunately I was commentating at the time and I I went for a score for the uh time and I I went for a score for the uh time and I I went for a score for the uh for TV and uh anyway they overruled it for TV and uh anyway they overruled it for TV and uh anyway they overruled it and then they awarded a second goal and then they awarded a second goal and then they awarded a second goal medal to TV what can you say about tamel medal to TV what can you say about tamel medal to TV what can you say about tamel and bashev who also gave him trouble and bashev who also gave him trouble and bashev who also gave him trouble yeah bashev and TV are the two that that yeah bashev and TV are the two that that yeah bashev and TV are the two that that could possibly go to the Olympics could possibly go to the Olympics could possibly go to the Olympics so that was a close one there from Rene so that was a close one there from Rene so that was a close one there from Rene that was closest that he'd actually been that was closest that he'd actually been that was closest that he'd actually been there oh wow so didn't have the sleeve there oh wow so didn't have the sleeve there oh wow so didn't have the sleeve and he relies on the sleeve greatly big and he relies on the sleeve greatly big and he relies on the sleeve greatly big support there and the French support there and the French support there and the French in the crowd and also maybe can you in the crowd and also maybe can you in the crowd and also maybe can you explain the penalties for for stalling explain the penalties for for stalling explain the penalties for for stalling yeah so if if they don't attack if yeah so if if they don't attack if yeah so if if they don't attack if they've got a grip uh and they've got they've got a grip uh and they've got they've got a grip uh and they've got sleeve lapel or they got two hands on um sleeve lapel or they got two hands on um sleeve lapel or they got two hands on um if they're too passive and they don't

if they're too passive and they don't if they're too passive and they don't attack if they've got dominant sleeve attack if they've got dominant sleeve attack if they've got dominant sleeve grip they don't attack that was quite grip they don't attack that was quite grip they don't attack that was quite close as well from the Korean so the close as well from the Korean so the close as well from the Korean so the Korean here you can see is having a real Korean here you can see is having a real Korean here you can see is having a real go you know the penalties will come if go you know the penalties will come if go you know the penalties will come if they don't attack at the right time step they don't attack at the right time step they don't attack at the right time step outside the yellow area they'll get pen outside the yellow area they'll get pen outside the yellow area they'll get pen ized as well that ized as well that ized as well that uh that's dedication for absolutely I uh that's dedication for absolutely I uh that's dedication for absolutely I mean it was really close wasn't it they mean it was really close wasn't it they mean it was really close wasn't it they nice little coigar there from uh the nice little coigar there from uh the nice little coigar there from uh the Korean and if they touch below the belt Korean and if they touch below the belt Korean and if they touch below the belt line with the arms so if they they're line with the arms so if they they're line with the arms so if they they're not allowed to grab the legs they've not allowed to grab the legs they've not allowed to grab the legs they've stopped grabbing the stopped grabbing the stopped grabbing the legs wow the Koreans really going the legs wow the Koreans really going the legs wow the Koreans really going the Koreans having a real good uh go at it I Koreans having a real good uh go at it I Koreans having a real good uh go at it I guess every single person in that guess every single person in that guess every single person in that division is probably training for Teddy division is probably training for Teddy division is probably training for Teddy rette right you think that Telly Rene rette right you think that Telly Rene rette right you think that Telly Rene has been there a long time you know and has been there a long time you know and has been there a long time you know and he's got another guy here in the final he's got another guy here in the final he's got another guy here in the final of the Paris tournament he's got 18,000 of the Paris tournament he's got 18,000 of the Paris tournament he's got 18,000 people watching him they're all on Teddy people watching him they're all on Teddy people watching him they're all on Teddy Rene's side they want him to win and the Rene's side they want him to win and the Rene's side they want him to win and the Koreans out there on his own with his Koreans out there on his own with his Koreans out there on his own with his coach but also the pressure that on coach but also the pressure that on coach but also the pressure that on rer Amazing pressure you know we we we rer Amazing pressure you know we we we rer Amazing pressure you know we we we interviewed him after this and uh he interviewed him after this and uh he interviewed him after this and uh he said I've got pressure you know people said I've got pressure you know people said I've got pressure you know people go well is he going to do it at the go well is he going to do it at the go well is he going to do it at the Olympic Games can I do it in Paris he Olympic Games can I do it in Paris he Olympic Games can I do it in Paris he wanted to go to Paris I mean really I wanted to go to Paris I mean really I wanted to go to Paris I mean really I mean the last Olympic game should have mean the last Olympic game should have mean the last Olympic game should have been it shouldn't it this last should been it shouldn't it this last should been it shouldn't it this last should have been the final one but he's gone no have been the final one but he's gone no have been the final one but he's gone no I've got to do another four years two I've got to do another four years two I've got to do another four years two penalties are on the board already for penalties are on the board already for penalties are on the board already for the Korean that Korean is really having the Korean that Korean is really having the Korean that Korean is really having a great a great a great go a bit of a lift on him he's going

go a bit of a lift on him he's going go a bit of a lift on him he's going after it he's really going after it you after it he's really going after it you after it he's really going after it you know it's it's an amazing uh effort know it's it's an amazing uh effort know it's it's an amazing uh effort there from the Korean and uh he's there from the Korean and uh he's there from the Korean and uh he's getting some last minute uh information getting some last minute uh information getting some last minute uh information I don't know if you've ever seen his I don't know if you've ever seen his I don't know if you've ever seen his coach stood next to him like that but coach stood next to him like that but coach stood next to him like that but it's amazing he's 6' six and he's he's it's amazing he's 6' six and he's he's it's amazing he's 6' six and he's he's about 4 foot six he's a he's a real but about 4 foot six he's a he's a real but about 4 foot six he's a he's a real but full of passion I love it he's like full of passion I love it he's like full of passion I love it he's like screaming so uh golden score how does screaming so uh golden score how does screaming so uh golden score how does Golden score work can you so the golden Golden score work can you so the golden Golden score work can you so the golden score so if it goes without any point on score so if it goes without any point on score so if it goes without any point on the board from a throw or a hold down or the board from a throw or a hold down or the board from a throw or a hold down or armlock strangle uh then it goes into armlock strangle uh then it goes into armlock strangle uh then it goes into golden score so two shidos on the board golden score so two shidos on the board golden score so two shidos on the board of piece one more mistake now and it's of piece one more mistake now and it's of piece one more mistake now and it's going to be all over wow and that's it going to be all over wow and that's it going to be all over wow and that's it he Teddy Rene just manages to turn it uh he Teddy Rene just manages to turn it uh he Teddy Rene just manages to turn it uh on the Korean and that went on the Korean and that went on the Korean and that went really against the Runner play didn't it really against the Runner play didn't it really against the Runner play didn't it yeah because the Korean did better you yeah because the Korean did better you yeah because the Korean did better you know but you know Teddy Renee is a know but you know Teddy Renee is a know but you know Teddy Renee is a winner yeah and he says right okay let's winner yeah and he says right okay let's winner yeah and he says right okay let's have more uh more cheering finds a way have more uh more cheering finds a way have more uh more cheering finds a way to uh to score in the and I have to say to uh to score in the and I have to say to uh to score in the and I have to say you know that even when he loses you you know that even when he loses you you know that even when he loses you know he's always graceful yeah he know he's always graceful yeah he know he's always graceful yeah he doesn't like it but is graceful yeah doesn't like it but is graceful yeah doesn't like it but is graceful yeah there was so much love there celebration there was so much love there celebration there was so much love there celebration it's great it's great to see it's great it's great it's great to see it's great it's great it's great to see it's great that he's doing it again going after it that he's doing it again going after it that he's doing it again going after it chasing the gold medal again well he's chasing the gold medal again well he's chasing the gold medal again well he's chasing the gold medal it's going to be chasing the gold medal it's going to be chasing the gold medal it's going to be in Paris which is going to be uh even in Paris which is going to be uh even in Paris which is going to be uh even you know more fantastic you know he's you know more fantastic you know he's you know more fantastic you know he's already the greatest you said you know already the greatest you said you know already the greatest you said you know what has he got to do to to be the what has he got to do to to be the what has he got to do to to be the greatest he's already the greatest

greatest he's already the greatest greatest he's already the greatest competitor judo's ever known and that competitor judo's ever known and that competitor judo's ever known and that was even you know with um with um the was even you know with um with um the was even you know with um with um the great uh Tanny you know so Tanny was great uh Tanny you know so Tanny was great uh Tanny you know so Tanny was amazing as well are you part of the amazing as well are you part of the amazing as well are you part of the commentating team for I'm part of the commentating team for I'm part of the commentating team for I'm part of the commentating team but it won't be for JF commentating team but it won't be for JF commentating team but it won't be for JF because it's independent broadcast have because it's independent broadcast have because it's independent broadcast have you ever had an you ever had an you ever had an athlete uh sort of come up to you and athlete uh sort of come up to you and athlete uh sort of come up to you and and ask like why why' you say that or and ask like why why' you say that or and ask like why why' you say that or like disagree with your commentary do like disagree with your commentary do like disagree with your commentary do you know I've got to say that 99% you know I've got to say that 99% you know I've got to say that 99% 99.9% of everybody is so grateful that 99.9% of everybody is so grateful that 99.9% of everybody is so grateful that I've commentated their fights all the I've commentated their fights all the I've commentated their fights all the way through yeah they know if they've way through yeah they know if they've way through yeah they know if they've messed up so if I say something and I'm messed up so if I say something and I'm messed up so if I say something and I'm never disparaging really disparaging you never disparaging really disparaging you never disparaging really disparaging you know but what I will say is you know it know but what I will say is you know it know but what I will say is you know it was a great throw by the other guy or it was a great throw by the other guy or it was a great throw by the other guy or it was a great match and if they made a was a great match and if they made a was a great match and if they made a mistake so if they walk out they know mistake so if they walk out they know mistake so if they walk out they know that um I will say something that will U that um I will say something that will U that um I will say something that will U you know mean something so no nobody you know mean something so no nobody you know mean something so no nobody really moans about it I I I try and talk really moans about it I I I try and talk really moans about it I I I try and talk the truth if I can so uh who else would the truth if I can so uh who else would the truth if I can so uh who else would you consider as as some of the greats so you consider as as some of the greats so you consider as as some of the greats so I I personally just cuz I love the I I personally just cuz I love the I I personally just cuz I love the standing sanagi Koga so there's like you standing sanagi Koga so there's like you standing sanagi Koga so there's like you know the number of times you won the know the number of times you won the know the number of times you won the World Championships and the Olympic World Championships and the Olympic World Championships and the Olympic Games but there's also like how you won Games but there's also like how you won Games but there's also like how you won and how you wanted to fights and what and how you wanted to fights and what and how you wanted to fights and what you did you know it's not necessarily you did you know it's not necessarily you did you know it's not necessarily about getting gold medals it's about how about getting gold medals it's about how about getting gold medals it's about how you fought and how you represent the you fought and how you represent the you fought and how you represent the sport and there's certain athletes like

sport and there's certain athletes like sport and there's certain athletes like n and eladas that are going after the n and eladas that are going after the n and eladas that are going after the big throws only after they want to win big throws only after they want to win big throws only after they want to win by ion you know and I think that that by ion you know and I think that that by ion you know and I think that that that's the difference is they're the that's the difference is they're the that's the difference is they're the ones that come out there and it's a bit ones that come out there and it's a bit ones that come out there and it's a bit like you know when when Tyson stepped like you know when when Tyson stepped like you know when when Tyson stepped out there you you knew what you were out there you you knew what you were out there you you knew what you were going to get you know and and if they going to get you know and and if they going to get you know and and if they went Toe to Toe if if if you if Tyson went Toe to Toe if if if you if Tyson went Toe to Toe if if if you if Tyson had somebody going Toe to Toe somebody had somebody going Toe to Toe somebody had somebody going Toe to Toe somebody was going to get knocked out and you was going to get knocked out and you was going to get knocked out and you know we are the same in Judo when people know we are the same in Judo when people know we are the same in Judo when people go head-to-head and it's an open Match go head-to-head and it's an open Match go head-to-head and it's an open Match and I often talk about an open Match I and I often talk about an open Match I and I often talk about an open Match I say um they they're it's an open Match say um they they're it's an open Match say um they they're it's an open Match they're both trying to score somebody is they're both trying to score somebody is they're both trying to score somebody is going get scored on somebody's going to going get scored on somebody's going to going get scored on somebody's going to go you know and that's that makes it go you know and that's that makes it go you know and that's that makes it exciting and it's when when they come exciting and it's when when they come exciting and it's when when they come out and they close up you know then out and they close up you know then out and they close up you know then that's not an exciting match is there a that's not an exciting match is there a that's not an exciting match is there a case for uh for Ono sh Ono three-time case for uh for Ono sh Ono three-time case for uh for Ono sh Ono three-time World Champ two time gold medalist I World Champ two time gold medalist I World Champ two time gold medalist I think that you know Judo wise he's got think that you know Judo wise he's got think that you know Judo wise he's got to be one of the greatest because he had to be one of the greatest because he had to be one of the greatest because he had such such such versatility um he had uh he could go versatility um he had uh he could go versatility um he had uh he could go right and he could go left he could pick right and he could go left he could pick right and he could go left he could pick up he could go to the ground as well he up he could go to the ground as well he up he could go to the ground as well he he won a lot of his earlier is on the he won a lot of his earlier is on the he won a lot of his earlier is on the ground um I think his ground um I think his ground um I think his uh empathy you know and how he presents uh empathy you know and how he presents uh empathy you know and how he presents himself sometimes he falls down and uh I himself sometimes he falls down and uh I himself sometimes he falls down and uh I think that hopefully that should come think that hopefully that should come think that hopefully that should come with uh tutoring and you know how to how with uh tutoring and you know how to how with uh tutoring and you know how to how to be a great champion after you know to be a great champion after you know to be a great champion after you know it's not just about what you do on the it's not just about what you do on the it's not just about what you do on the map but what you do off the M as well

map but what you do off the M as well map but what you do off the M as well this is to you a great Champion is the this is to you a great Champion is the this is to you a great Champion is the whole package of yeah how how you whole package of yeah how how you whole package of yeah how how you present yourself when you lose how you present yourself when you lose how you present yourself when you lose how you represent yourself just I think it's how represent yourself just I think it's how represent yourself just I think it's how you present yourself afterwards how you you present yourself afterwards how you you present yourself afterwards how you are with people how much you can help are with people how much you can help are with people how much you can help people I mean people kids uh and um you people I mean people kids uh and um you people I mean people kids uh and um you know they look up to these great know they look up to these great know they look up to these great Champions because they want to be like Champions because they want to be like Champions because they want to be like them uh so the worst thing is when you them uh so the worst thing is when you them uh so the worst thing is when you get somebody that's a bit of an ass and get somebody that's a bit of an ass and get somebody that's a bit of an ass and and they're not presenting themselves in and they're not presenting themselves in and they're not presenting themselves in the right way so I like to see somebody the right way so I like to see somebody the right way so I like to see somebody presenting themselves in the right way presenting themselves in the right way presenting themselves in the right way and I think that it's something that can and I think that it's something that can and I think that it's something that can be taught it's something that normally be taught it's something that normally be taught it's something that normally comes with a little bit of experience a comes with a little bit of experience a comes with a little bit of experience a little bit of age you know and I like to little bit of age you know and I like to little bit of age you know and I like to think that I'm a little bit different think that I'm a little bit different think that I'm a little bit different now than I was when I was 19 not that it now than I was when I was 19 not that it now than I was when I was 19 not that it was bad you know I I just think I was was bad you know I I just think I was was bad you know I I just think I was just you know I see it often now you just you know I see it often now you just you know I see it often now you know just full of full of know just full of full of know just full of full of beans your your beautiful work in beans your your beautiful work in beans your your beautiful work in progress uh what about progress uh what about progress uh what about namura that I he in namura that's three namura that I he in namura that's three namura that I he in namura that's three time gold medalist never lost an Olympic time gold medalist never lost an Olympic time gold medalist never lost an Olympic fight so there's there's nobody fight so there's there's nobody fight so there's there's nobody yeah no nobody ever done that you know yeah no nobody ever done that you know yeah no nobody ever done that you know what I mean so that's got to be it has what I mean so that's got to be it has what I mean so that's got to be it has to stand he took two years off in to stand he took two years off in to stand he took two years off in between every Olympic Games and came between every Olympic Games and came between every Olympic Games and came back did the right amount of events to back did the right amount of events to back did the right amount of events to qualify for not only did he having to qualify for not only did he having to qualify for not only did he having to qualify he had to qualify through Japan qualify he had to qualify through Japan qualify he had to qualify through Japan now Japan remember have got the greatest now Japan remember have got the greatest now Japan remember have got the greatest depth so they got people coming through

depth so they got people coming through depth so they got people coming through all the time you know and they and then all the time you know and they and then all the time you know and they and then he had to win the Japanese trials I mean he had to win the Japanese trials I mean he had to win the Japanese trials I mean we had a four-time world champion from we had a four-time world champion from we had a four-time world champion from Japan uh this is when World Japan uh this is when World Japan uh this is when World Championships was every other year and Championships was every other year and Championships was every other year and this is shoo shoo Fuji um and he was the this is shoo shoo Fuji um and he was the this is shoo shoo Fuji um and he was the greatest middleweight of all time uh and greatest middleweight of all time uh and greatest middleweight of all time uh and never got to to participate in the never got to to participate in the never got to to participate in the Olympics because he lost the Japanese Olympics because he lost the Japanese Olympics because he lost the Japanese trials twice in two Olympic uh you know trials twice in two Olympic uh you know trials twice in two Olympic uh you know uh possibilities so um you know he had uh possibilities so um you know he had uh possibilities so um you know he had to qualify for Japan and then go to the to qualify for Japan and then go to the to qualify for Japan and then go to the Olympic Games and then do it there you Olympic Games and then do it there you Olympic Games and then do it there you know so sometimes some of the best know so sometimes some of the best know so sometimes some of the best people in Japan can't get outside of people in Japan can't get outside of people in Japan can't get outside of Japan look at the situation they had Japan look at the situation they had Japan look at the situation they had with um ab and then they had um marama with um ab and then they had um marama with um ab and then they had um marama marama was uh you know and ab were both marama was uh you know and ab were both marama was uh you know and ab were both the best by far in the under 66 kilos the best by far in the under 66 kilos the best by far in the under 66 kilos category this is for the last Olympic category this is for the last Olympic category this is for the last Olympic Games and um they sent one to the world Games and um they sent one to the world Games and um they sent one to the world championships one to the Olympic Games championships one to the Olympic Games championships one to the Olympic Games and they both won gold medals you know and they both won gold medals you know and they both won gold medals you know yeah yeah I mean that's why the uh the yeah yeah I mean that's why the uh the yeah yeah I mean that's why the uh the all Japan championship like legendary all Japan championship like legendary all Japan championship like legendary that there's these that there's these that there's these battles with Yasha and all of them well battles with Yasha and all of them well battles with Yasha and all of them well ab and um and marama they they had a a ab and um and marama they they had a a ab and um and marama they they had a a trials in the trials in the trials in the kodakan uh it was TW 26 minutes I think kodakan uh it was TW 26 minutes I think kodakan uh it was TW 26 minutes I think it was 26 minutes it went they were it was 26 minutes it went they were it was 26 minutes it went they were battling it out for 26 minutes that's battling it out for 26 minutes that's battling it out for 26 minutes that's great if we can just go to you've

great if we can just go to you've great if we can just go to you've trained in Japan what are those randor trained in Japan what are those randor trained in Japan what are those randor like what what's that training like um I like what what's that training like um I like what what's that training like um I touched on the touched on the touched on the danger that danger of being thrown when danger that danger of being thrown when danger that danger of being thrown when you get hold of somebody or somebody you get hold of somebody or somebody you get hold of somebody or somebody gets hold of you and I often reflect I gets hold of you and I often reflect I gets hold of you and I often reflect I often talk about it when I'm often talk about it when I'm often talk about it when I'm commentating you know because I can see commentating you know because I can see commentating you know because I can see immediately you know it's easy isn't it immediately you know it's easy isn't it immediately you know it's easy isn't it you know we're in the commentary chair you know we're in the commentary chair you know we're in the commentary chair or if you're in the coach's chair and or if you're in the coach's chair and or if you're in the coach's chair and you don't really understand totally AB you don't really understand totally AB you don't really understand totally AB absolutely what's going on when you're absolutely what's going on when you're absolutely what's going on when you're being somebody's being out gripped and being somebody's being out gripped and being somebody's being out gripped and when they're in danger of being thrown I when they're in danger of being thrown I when they're in danger of being thrown I mean you know if you're in danger of mean you know if you're in danger of mean you know if you're in danger of being throw and the first thing you do being throw and the first thing you do being throw and the first thing you do is stick your backside out and defend by is stick your backside out and defend by is stick your backside out and defend by you know by not being in the position you know by not being in the position you know by not being in the position they they want you to be in all right they they want you to be in all right they they want you to be in all right and so that's danger you know you feel and so that's danger you know you feel and so that's danger you know you feel the danger and so in Japan that was the the danger and so in Japan that was the the danger and so in Japan that was the place I used to go to train because I place I used to go to train because I place I used to go to train because I felt the danger and so my defenses would felt the danger and so my defenses would felt the danger and so my defenses would be heightened and so somebody that was I be heightened and so somebody that was I be heightened and so somebody that was I went two two years one one Olympic cycle went two two years one one Olympic cycle went two two years one one Olympic cycle I went two years two months without I went two years two months without I went two years two months without having a score on me in any having a score on me in any having a score on me in any competition and then I went to one competition and then I went to one competition and then I went to one competition in the European competition in the European competition in the European championships which I won and I was championships which I won and I was championships which I won and I was struggling all the way through it and struggling all the way through it and struggling all the way through it and got scored on three times in my pool of got scored on three times in my pool of got scored on three times in my pool of you like my first pool of fights and I

you like my first pool of fights and I you like my first pool of fights and I was devastated I and and actually nearly was devastated I and and actually nearly was devastated I and and actually nearly lost the whole competition because I was lost the whole competition because I was lost the whole competition because I was more mortified about being scored on more mortified about being scored on more mortified about being scored on three times when I hadn't been scored on three times when I hadn't been scored on three times when I hadn't been scored on for 2 and a half years I had this thing for 2 and a half years I had this thing for 2 and a half years I had this thing in my head about 2 and a half years i' in my head about 2 and a half years i' in my head about 2 and a half years i' you know and and then all of a sudden you know and and then all of a sudden you know and and then all of a sudden right I'm not unbeatable and then you right I'm not unbeatable and then you right I'm not unbeatable and then you just you and you go and I I was almost just you and you go and I I was almost just you and you go and I I was almost lost it completely lost it just so lost it completely lost it just so lost it completely lost it just so fortunate couple of things went my way fortunate couple of things went my way fortunate couple of things went my way and just came out and I scraped and and just came out and I scraped and and just came out and I scraped and scratched my way to the final and and scratched my way to the final and and scratched my way to the final and and won the final well all right but was my won the final well all right but was my won the final well all right but was my best match but uh I almost lost it well best match but uh I almost lost it well best match but uh I almost lost it well what do you do with the fact if you go what do you do with the fact if you go what do you do with the fact if you go to Japan and you're getting you're to Japan and you're getting you're to Japan and you're getting you're seeing danger like you're probably seeing danger like you're probably seeing danger like you're probably getting getting thrown getting thrown getting getting thrown getting thrown getting getting thrown getting thrown Japan what's that due to Your Ego well Japan what's that due to Your Ego well Japan what's that due to Your Ego well again it's my you know that that was a again it's my you know that that was a again it's my you know that that was a winning ego that had to adapt uh I winning ego that had to adapt uh I winning ego that had to adapt uh I remember we went to the case Joe which remember we went to the case Joe which remember we went to the case Joe which police Dojo one time and um they wanted police Dojo one time and um they wanted police Dojo one time and um they wanted to see they uh they created this uh the to see they uh they created this uh the to see they uh they created this uh the groundwork competition because they groundwork competition because they groundwork competition because they wanted to see my wanted to see my wanted to see my me do the juji like how I I went in and me do the juji like how I I went in and me do the juji like how I I went in and how I yeah how the armar right they how I yeah how the armar right they how I yeah how the armar right they wanted to see how I did it from wanted to see how I did it from wanted to see how I did it from underneath or over the top and you just underneath or over the top and you just underneath or over the top and you just they created this event the cre yeah they created this event the cre yeah they created this event the cre yeah they started it so and then winner stays they started it so and then winner stays they started it so and then winner stays on competition was happening at the cas on competition was happening at the cas on competition was happening at the cas Joe so I did about seven I think it was Joe so I did about seven I think it was Joe so I did about seven I think it was seven in and then my coach came in and seven in and then my coach came in and seven in and then my coach came in and said no it's finished that's it now it's

said no it's finished that's it now it's said no it's finished that's it now it's finished you know suddenly we realized finished you know suddenly we realized finished you know suddenly we realized what was going on and I was going no what was going on and I was going no what was going on and I was going no no no no don't stop it like that you no no no don't stop it like that you no no no don't stop it like that you know and um and it was one of those uh know and um and it was one of those uh know and um and it was one of those uh moments where you know the the boot was moments where you know the the boot was moments where you know the the boot was on my foot you could say you know rather on my foot you could say you know rather on my foot you could say you know rather than the other side the other way CU I than the other side the other way CU I than the other side the other way CU I had been to Japan uh in situation I had been to Japan uh in situation I had been to Japan uh in situation I remember as as a remember as as a remember as as a 16-year-old I I got such I I got such a 16-year-old I I got such I I got such a 16-year-old I I got such I I got such a a a a drumming um from uh one of the Japanese drumming um from uh one of the Japanese drumming um from uh one of the Japanese guys older students and he had a gold guys older students and he had a gold guys older students and he had a gold tooth and um so he was gold tooth to me tooth and um so he was gold tooth to me tooth and um so he was gold tooth to me you know and he was my nightmare and um you know and he was my nightmare and um you know and he was my nightmare and um I I remember kept coming out to fight I I remember kept coming out to fight I I remember kept coming out to fight him because he kept throwing me and and him because he kept throwing me and and him because he kept throwing me and and I was crying and I was upset and I was I was crying and I was upset and I was I was crying and I was upset and I was like and then that was another occasion like and then that was another occasion like and then that was another occasion where I got dragged away and I said no where I got dragged away and I said no where I got dragged away and I said no and so I wanted to go back and fight him and so I wanted to go back and fight him and so I wanted to go back and fight him and I went back to the same Dojo every and I went back to the same Dojo every and I went back to the same Dojo every year to fight him he was on my mind mhm year to fight him he was on my mind mhm year to fight him he was on my mind mhm Morning Noon night he was on my mind Morning Noon night he was on my mind Morning Noon night he was on my mind gold tooth was on your mind gold tooth gold tooth was on your mind gold tooth gold tooth was on your mind gold tooth was on my mind you know and uh you ever was on my mind you know and uh you ever was on my mind you know and uh you ever get him two years later right I was two get him two years later right I was two get him two years later right I was two two years to me from 16 to 18 was two years to me from 16 to 18 was two years to me from 16 to 18 was totally different 18 years of age I was totally different 18 years of age I was totally different 18 years of age I was pretty competitive with him and uh it pretty competitive with him and uh it pretty competitive with him and uh it was like you know I was standing up with was like you know I was standing up with was like you know I was standing up with him him him 19 he was in the groundwork competition 19 he was in the groundwork competition 19 he was in the groundwork competition mhm and that's when the switch happened

mhm and that's when the switch happened mhm and that's when the switch happened switch happened you know because I switch happened you know because I switch happened you know because I just I well because I remember getting just I well because I remember getting just I well because I remember getting the arm lock and the arm lock and the arm lock and and didn't put it on immediately I and didn't put it on immediately I and didn't put it on immediately I needed it to last it had to last sure so needed it to last it had to last sure so needed it to last it had to last sure so I I spread the the whole thing lasted as I I spread the the whole thing lasted as I I spread the the whole thing lasted as long as I could possibly get it and it long as I could possibly get it and it long as I could possibly get it and it was a a long memory yeah as I was was a a long memory yeah as I was was a a long memory yeah as I was looking down at him and now and now he looking down at him and now and now he looking down at him and now and now he has nightmares about you now he I wonder has nightmares about you now he I wonder has nightmares about you now he I wonder what nickname he has for you I don't what nickname he has for you I don't what nickname he has for you I don't know I'm hoping that he remembers me as know I'm hoping that he remembers me as know I'm hoping that he remembers me as as you know he probably doesn't say it as you know he probably doesn't say it as you know he probably doesn't say it just back an eyelid doesn't say a thing just back an eyelid doesn't say a thing just back an eyelid doesn't say a thing about about about it well I mean can you just speak to it well I mean can you just speak to it well I mean can you just speak to that training with those that training with those that training with those folks you know you said folks you know you said folks you know you said crying just the frustration of being crying just the frustration of being crying just the frustration of being thrown yeah I mean what what how do you thrown yeah I mean what what how do you thrown yeah I mean what what how do you it's such a beautiful part of the it's such a beautiful part of the it's such a beautiful part of the process of becoming great yeah I think I process of becoming great yeah I think I process of becoming great yeah I think I think it is just something that you're think it is just something that you're think it is just something that you're you know that doesn't happen at this you know that doesn't happen at this you know that doesn't happen at this level you know we were talking about level you know we were talking about level you know we were talking about levels and then at this level it you it levels and then at this level it you it levels and then at this level it you it never happened and then I went out in my never happened and then I went out in my never happened and then I went out in my first European CET and and all of a first European CET and and all of a first European CET and and all of a sudden I wasn't the this this top guy I sudden I wasn't the this this top guy I sudden I wasn't the this this top guy I was in the mix and then I had to work was in the mix and then I had to work was in the mix and then I had to work myself to the top of that mix and then myself to the top of that mix and then myself to the top of that mix and then to the top of the next one you know cuz to the top of the next one you know cuz to the top of the next one you know cuz I went to the European senior I went to the European senior I went to the European senior championships and you know again you're championships and you know again you're championships and you know again you're not the top and you know you work way to not the top and you know you work way to not the top and you know you work way to the top of that and and I think it is a the top of that and and I think it is a the top of that and and I think it is a frustration you know but I think it's

frustration you know but I think it's frustration you know but I think it's that kind of hatred of losing and and that kind of hatred of losing and and that kind of hatred of losing and and also um being out of control I think the also um being out of control I think the also um being out of control I think the the first time first senior European the first time first senior European the first time first senior European championships I fought I fought nevs are championships I fought I fought nevs are championships I fought I fought nevs are of but he was only one of my contest of but he was only one of my contest of but he was only one of my contest then I had to fight a Frenchman for then I had to fight a Frenchman for then I had to fight a Frenchman for third place but he totally out gripped third place but he totally out gripped third place but he totally out gripped me and um and I remember I was more me and um and I remember I was more me and um and I remember I was more upset though I won the contest I was upset though I won the contest I was upset though I won the contest I was more upset that he totally out he did more upset that he totally out he did more upset that he totally out he did out grip me and and I was more upset and out grip me and and I was more upset and out grip me and and I was more upset and then I fought him a year later and outg then I fought him a year later and outg then I fought him a year later and outg gripped him all right so it was um it gripped him all right so it was um it gripped him all right so it was um it was one of those you know it was a was one of those you know it was a was one of those you know it was a learning process all the way through learning process all the way through learning process all the way through yeah that like yeah that like yeah that like frustration is like whatever that does frustration is like whatever that does frustration is like whatever that does to your your soul the building up to your your soul the building up to your your soul the building up afterwards is what actually makes you afterwards is what actually makes you afterwards is what actually makes you better it's fascinating and you think better it's fascinating and you think better it's fascinating and you think there's in Japan just killers there that there's in Japan just killers there that there's in Japan just killers there that are like just the world doesn't know are like just the world doesn't know are like just the world doesn't know about they just just yeah it's world about they just just yeah it's world about they just just yeah it's world champions in the doo you know there's champions in the doo you know there's champions in the doo you know there's people that never make it out you know I people that never make it out you know I people that never make it out you know I remember we were training like so and remember we were training like so and remember we were training like so and everybody that's um that goes to Japan everybody that's um that goes to Japan everybody that's um that goes to Japan all my uh friends my that that have been all my uh friends my that that have been all my uh friends my that that have been World Olympic Champions right they all World Olympic Champions right they all World Olympic Champions right they all know what I'm talking about they know know what I'm talking about they know know what I'm talking about they know exactly who I'm what I'm saying is that exactly who I'm what I'm saying is that exactly who I'm what I'm saying is that when we go to the dojo there we all get when we go to the dojo there we all get when we go to the dojo there we all get thrown by people that never come out to thrown by people that never come out to thrown by people that never come out to be world champions you know they they're

be world champions you know they they're be world champions you know they they're just in the mix or they're going through just in the mix or they're going through just in the mix or they're going through three years of University and then they three years of University and then they three years of University and then they go we we had a go we we had a go we we had a guy we had a guy that came in he came he guy we had a guy that came in he came he guy we had a guy that came in he came he was business guy he came in with his was business guy he came in with his was business guy he came in with his suitcase and his briefcase like that suitcase and his briefcase like that suitcase and his briefcase like that he's got his tie up like that and he's he's got his tie up like that and he's he's got his tie up like that and he's so he decides he's going to come in and so he decides he's going to come in and so he decides he's going to come in and he he he gets changed and he's he's in he he he gets changed and he's he's in he he he gets changed and he's he's in his uh lunch hour he's in his lunch hour his uh lunch hour he's in his lunch hour his uh lunch hour he's in his lunch hour right so it's got to be quick yeah so he right so it's got to be quick yeah so he right so it's got to be quick yeah so he comes in and he goes through he's comes in and he goes through he's comes in and he goes through he's working his way through the whole of the working his way through the whole of the working his way through the whole of the British team we're all lined out right British team we're all lined out right British team we're all lined out right he's just working his way through the he's just working his way through the he's just working his way through the whole of the British team and I knew whole of the British team and I knew whole of the British team and I knew it's my turn next so I get a hold of him it's my turn next so I get a hold of him it's my turn next so I get a hold of him and I throw him immediately and then it and I throw him immediately and then it and I throw him immediately and then it was what we were talking about when it was what we were talking about when it was what we were talking about when it happens in the first few minut uh few happens in the first few minut uh few happens in the first few minut uh few seconds of the the the the practice so seconds of the the the the practice so seconds of the the the the practice so then I had four minutes of him coming at then I had four minutes of him coming at then I had four minutes of him coming at me and I'm going up into the air and I'm me and I'm going up into the air and I'm me and I'm going up into the air and I'm twisting off and I'm like like and then twisting off and I'm like like and then twisting off and I'm like like and then like everybody's laughing at the side of like everybody's laughing at the side of like everybody's laughing at the side of the M or the whole British team he's the M or the whole British team he's the M or the whole British team he's gone through the whole British team and gone through the whole British team and gone through the whole British team and then he 10 minutes later he's just TI is then he 10 minutes later he's just TI is then he 10 minutes later he's just TI is tie up like that you know and back to tie up like that you know and back to tie up like that you know and back to work like that you know imagine him work like that you know imagine him work like that you know imagine him sitting behind his desk and his sitting behind his desk and his sitting behind his desk and his computer yeah yeah yeah I'm glad he computer yeah yeah yeah I'm glad he computer yeah yeah yeah I'm glad he didn't get out um hopefully he listens to this out um hopefully he listens to this hopefully anybody else I didn't mention hopefully anybody else I didn't mention hopefully anybody else I didn't mention as part of the greats that just kind of as part of the greats that just kind of as part of the greats that just kind of jumped Kaki uh Sensei is is the uh the

jumped Kaki uh Sensei is is the uh the jumped Kaki uh Sensei is is the uh the my favorite of all favorites he is uh my favorite of all favorites he is uh my favorite of all favorites he is uh what I would call a judo uh genius I what I would call a judo uh genius I what I would call a judo uh genius I don't know if you can get him up here don't know if you can get him up here don't know if you can get him up here can we get him up yeah so going to 1981 can we get him up yeah so going to 1981 can we get him up yeah so going to 1981 World World World Championships and uh and I'll talk you Championships and uh and I'll talk you Championships and uh and I'll talk you through the great Kaki he was one year through the great Kaki he was one year through the great Kaki he was one year uh in Great uh in Great uh in Great Britain and he was uh he was a guy that Britain and he was uh he was a guy that Britain and he was uh he was a guy that was so much a genius all right so you was so much a genius all right so you was so much a genius all right so you want the final of the under 60 65 kog want the final of the under 60 65 kog want the final of the under 60 65 kog there the one at the top this is him he there the one at the top this is him he there the one at the top this is him he he is uh two weight categories below my he is uh two weight categories below my he is uh two weight categories below my weight category that I won the world CH weight category that I won the world CH weight category that I won the world CH championships same year I won championships same year I won championships same year I won it so this is it's not I'm not sure if it so this is it's not I'm not sure if it so this is it's not I'm not sure if this is going to show his uh final of this is going to show his uh final of this is going to show his uh final of this is a highlight oh watch this this this is a highlight oh watch this this this is a highlight oh watch this this this this he did in the in the final of this this he did in the in the final of this this he did in the in the final of the world for people just listening he the world for people just listening he the world for people just listening he did uh an incredible sacrifice throw did uh an incredible sacrifice throw did uh an incredible sacrifice throw yeah and then he was on top for the uh yeah and then he was on top for the uh yeah and then he was on top for the uh for the neaz and renowned for his for the neaz and renowned for his for the neaz and renowned for his groundwork and uh he he was on top of groundwork and uh he he was on top of groundwork and uh he he was on top of against a really strong Romanian guy all against a really strong Romanian guy all against a really strong Romanian guy all right so his transition was just right so his transition was just right so his transition was just phenomenal yeah let me let me go back phenomenal yeah let me let me go back phenomenal yeah let me let me go back and look at that what what just happened and look at that what what just happened and look at that what what just happened so he's just showing you so he does this so he's just showing you so he does this so he's just showing you so he does this uh COI thing uh just to create space wow uh COI thing uh just to create space wow uh COI thing uh just to create space wow and it's his follow through into to into and it's his follow through into to into and it's his follow through into to into groundwork that is best of all and then

groundwork that is best of all and then groundwork that is best of all and then uh the remaining really strong like I uh the remaining really strong like I uh the remaining really strong like I say he' gone all the way through to the say he' gone all the way through to the say he' gone all the way through to the final of the World Championships winning final of the World Championships winning final of the World Championships winning most by ion I think the Romanian and uh most by ion I think the Romanian and uh most by ion I think the Romanian and uh he's defending really really well here he's defending really really well here he's defending really really well here and you can see that how persistent he and you can see that how persistent he and you can see that how persistent he he knows exactly what he wants he's just he knows exactly what he wants he's just he knows exactly what he wants he's just got to get his leg out now watch he'll got to get his leg out now watch he'll got to get his leg out now watch he'll tie the arm up and then he'll pull the tie the arm up and then he'll pull the tie the arm up and then he'll pull the top leg towards him and then he'll push top leg towards him and then he'll push top leg towards him and then he'll push the bot one the bot one the bot one off always working with both feet always off always working with both feet always off always working with both feet always working always working uh readjust the working always working uh readjust the working always working uh readjust the balance still one leg trapped final of balance still one leg trapped final of balance still one leg trapped final of the World Championships good referee the World Championships good referee the World Championships good referee because he's refereeing uh something because he's refereeing uh something because he's refereeing uh something here that's happening you know that's here that's happening you know that's here that's happening you know that's going to decide as to whether so he going to decide as to whether so he going to decide as to whether so he doesn't call it to stand it up at all doesn't call it to stand it up at all doesn't call it to stand it up at all watch him pull the top one now and he'll watch him pull the top one now and he'll watch him pull the top one now and he'll push the B bottom push the B bottom push the B bottom one there's a calmness on his face is one there's a calmness on his face is one there's a calmness on his face is great to see it Cal calm great to see it Cal calm great to see it Cal calm pushes the bottom leg leg out job done pushes the bottom leg leg out job done pushes the bottom leg leg out job done all finished this is him again watch all finished this is him again watch all finished this is him again watch this this is another technique that he this this is another technique that he this this is another technique that he does and then just again sacrifice does and then just again sacrifice does and then just again sacrifice directly in directly into the directly in directly into the directly in directly into the newaza transition is everything isn't it newaza transition is everything isn't it newaza transition is everything isn't it in Judo yeah you know it's well in in Judo yeah you know it's well in in Judo yeah you know it's well in anything really but Judo especially pays anything really but Judo especially pays anything really but Judo especially pays off yeah I mean because we haven't got off yeah I mean because we haven't got off yeah I mean because we haven't got that long I mean we had more time here that long I mean we had more time here that long I mean we had more time here they've just brought more time back so they've just brought more time back so they've just brought more time back so we've got more time to transition in and we've got more time to transition in and we've got more time to transition in and uh to get the situation that we want and

uh to get the situation that we want and uh to get the situation that we want and and to get the attacking situation that and to get the attacking situation that and to get the attacking situation that we want because you know I remember I we want because you know I remember I we want because you know I remember I was um teaching uh in America to were was um teaching uh in America to were was um teaching uh in America to were some Jiu-Jitsu guys and they were saying some Jiu-Jitsu guys and they were saying some Jiu-Jitsu guys and they were saying oh we'll never give you our back MH and oh we'll never give you our back MH and oh we'll never give you our back MH and I said with Judo rules certain I said with Judo rules certain I said with Judo rules certain situations it happens that you know when situations it happens that you know when situations it happens that you know when we try and do throws where we're facing we try and do throws where we're facing we try and do throws where we're facing away from our opponent you know so like away from our opponent you know so like away from our opponent you know so like for example C and AIDS if they fail then for example C and AIDS if they fail then for example C and AIDS if they fail then the back is there you know and that's the back is there you know and that's the back is there you know and that's how we get the back and uh it's a how we get the back and uh it's a how we get the back and uh it's a different situation you know than going different situation you know than going different situation you know than going on your back in the guard situation on your back in the guard situation on your back in the guard situation totally different well there a Travis totally different well there a Travis totally different well there a Travis Stevens I don't know how familiar with Stevens I don't know how familiar with Stevens I don't know how familiar with his Judo but he's a really interesting his Judo but he's a really interesting his Judo but he's a really interesting example because he competed at the example because he competed at the example because he competed at the highest level in Jiu-Jitsu as well and highest level in Jiu-Jitsu as well and highest level in Jiu-Jitsu as well and his idea he's a big Sagi guy and he his idea he's a big Sagi guy and he his idea he's a big Sagi guy and he basically basically basically threw all of that away he in the threw all of that away he in the threw all of that away he in the Jiu-Jitsu in the Jiu-Jitsu like he took Jiu-Jitsu in the Jiu-Jitsu like he took Jiu-Jitsu in the Jiu-Jitsu like he took the sport from scratch for what it is so the sport from scratch for what it is so the sport from scratch for what it is so his he almost never did a standing Sagi his he almost never did a standing Sagi his he almost never did a standing Sagi s AIS at all in jiujitsu no because he s AIS at all in jiujitsu no because he s AIS at all in jiujitsu no because he would leave his back all the time you would leave his back all the time you would leave his back all the time you know if if it know if if it know if if it failed but he wouldn't have the same failed but he wouldn't have the same failed but he wouldn't have the same kind of grip on the the judogi or or the kind of grip on the the judogi or or the kind of grip on the the judogi or or the karate the Jiu-Jitsu yeah a little bit karate the Jiu-Jitsu yeah a little bit karate the Jiu-Jitsu yeah a little bit different and so you have to kind of different and so you have to kind of different and so you have to kind of consider the sport the art of it and consider the sport the art of it and consider the sport the art of it and also of the competitors the Styles and also of the competitors the Styles and also of the competitors the Styles and the culture of the sport if you want to the culture of the sport if you want to the culture of the sport if you want to win if winning is the most important win if winning is the most important win if winning is the most important thing then you're like all right well thing then you're like all right well thing then you're like all right well let's no but you you learn the game

let's no but you you learn the game let's no but you you learn the game don't you and and that's what he did he don't you and and that's what he did he don't you and and that's what he did he he learned the game you know and I think he learned the game you know and I think he learned the game you know and I think that is credit to him you know and that is credit to him you know and that is credit to him you know and that's why I'm saying about wrestling that's why I'm saying about wrestling that's why I'm saying about wrestling you know the wrestlers I mean we you you know the wrestlers I mean we you you know the wrestlers I mean we you good to learn the Judo and for what it good to learn the Judo and for what it good to learn the Judo and for what it is and the mechanics and and how it is and the mechanics and and how it is and the mechanics and and how it works and then learn the wrestling I works and then learn the wrestling I works and then learn the wrestling I mean I I do the commentary as well for mean I I do the commentary as well for mean I I do the commentary as well for the freestyle and I will be at the the freestyle and I will be at the the freestyle and I will be at the Olympics for the freestyle and the Greco Olympics for the freestyle and the Greco Olympics for the freestyle and the Greco Roman so uh and I love the freestyle Roman so uh and I love the freestyle Roman so uh and I love the freestyle absolutely love it m but freestyle is absolutely love it m but freestyle is absolutely love it m but freestyle is freestyle Judo is Judo I like to see freestyle Judo is Judo I like to see freestyle Judo is Judo I like to see people doing Judo yeah but there's people doing Judo yeah but there's people doing Judo yeah but there's a uh there's a rhyme to the whole combat a uh there's a rhyme to the whole combat a uh there's a rhyme to the whole combat thing they're all I mean the the body thing they're all I mean the the body thing they're all I mean the the body mechanics it's all like fascinating mechanics it's all like fascinating mechanics it's all like fascinating Echoes of each other in interesting ways Echoes of each other in interesting ways Echoes of each other in interesting ways there's the the details are different there's the the details are different there's the the details are different but there's but there's but there's still uh two human still uh two human still uh two human clashing yeah we've got some amazing uh clashing yeah we've got some amazing uh clashing yeah we've got some amazing uh crossovers with uh people like the the crossovers with uh people like the the crossovers with uh people like the the um Mongolians have come in the Georgians um Mongolians have come in the Georgians um Mongolians have come in the Georgians I mean the Georgians do massive pickups I mean the Georgians do massive pickups I mean the Georgians do massive pickups and different uh uh techniques and you and different uh uh techniques and you and different uh uh techniques and you know if you ask the fighters whether you know if you ask the fighters whether you know if you ask the fighters whether you know grabbing the legs you know a lot of know grabbing the legs you know a lot of know grabbing the legs you know a lot of them would say um some of the wrestling them would say um some of the wrestling them would say um some of the wrestling Styles you know the the um Georgians and Styles you know the the um Georgians and Styles you know the the um Georgians and the and the Mongolians might say yeah the and the Mongolians might say yeah the and the Mongolians might say yeah I'd like to be able to take the legs I'd like to be able to take the legs I'd like to be able to take the legs but you know a lot of them just adapted but you know a lot of them just adapted but you know a lot of them just adapted you get um uh iliadis for example he you get um uh iliadis for example he you get um uh iliadis for example he just adapted so he thought well I'll just adapted so he thought well I'll just adapted so he thought well I'll take my arm over the top and I'll just take my arm over the top and I'll just take my arm over the top and I'll just rip him out the floor that way you know

rip him out the floor that way you know rip him out the floor that way you know what I mean they're still doing the big what I mean they're still doing the big what I mean they're still doing the big lifts they're still doing the the big lifts they're still doing the the big lifts they're still doing the the big ripping but they uh they just don't grab ripping but they uh they just don't grab ripping but they uh they just don't grab below the legs yeah it's weird they below the legs yeah it's weird they below the legs yeah it's weird they figured it out and they figured it out figured it out and they figured it out figured it out and they figured it out like that yeah you would think it'd take like that yeah you would think it'd take like that yeah you would think it'd take a long time no it was like a month yeah a long time no it was like a month yeah a long time no it was like a month yeah no exactly uh the highest level which is no exactly uh the highest level which is no exactly uh the highest level which is crazy uh so you mentioned Jiu-Jitsu a crazy uh so you mentioned Jiu-Jitsu a crazy uh so you mentioned Jiu-Jitsu a little bit what what you an interesting little bit what what you an interesting little bit what what you an interesting difference between Jiu-Jitsu and Judo difference between Jiu-Jitsu and Judo difference between Jiu-Jitsu and Judo that you've observed because you're uh that you've observed because you're uh that you've observed because you're uh one of the greatest ever uh on the on one of the greatest ever uh on the on one of the greatest ever uh on the on the ground in the ground in the ground in Judo and so you know jiujitsu is Judo and so you know jiujitsu is Judo and so you know jiujitsu is primarily focused on similar type of primarily focused on similar type of primarily focused on similar type of stuff on the ground so what do you is an stuff on the ground so what do you is an stuff on the ground so what do you is an interesting difference there they're interesting difference there they're interesting difference there they're different approach different time scale different approach different time scale different approach different time scale to to them and they have a different way to to them and they have a different way to to them and they have a different way in so um like ours comes from a standing in so um like ours comes from a standing in so um like ours comes from a standing position directly in we've got a time position directly in we've got a time position directly in we've got a time scale on it so we we have to like the scale on it so we we have to like the scale on it so we we have to like the catch what I always I always talk about catch what I always I always talk about catch what I always I always talk about the catch because in Jito terms if you the catch because in Jito terms if you the catch because in Jito terms if you don't get the catch immediately then the don't get the catch immediately then the don't get the catch immediately then the referee won't see the the transition in referee won't see the the transition in referee won't see the the transition in and also the uh continuation from plan A and also the uh continuation from plan A and also the uh continuation from plan A B C D you know if something buil builds B C D you know if something buil builds B C D you know if something buil builds so we have to build it and we uh we have so we have to build it and we uh we have so we have to build it and we uh we have to build it quickly and I think in to build it quickly and I think in to build it quickly and I think in Jiu-Jitsu terms you have more time to Jiu-Jitsu terms you have more time to Jiu-Jitsu terms you have more time to build yeah there's a there's a kind of build yeah there's a there's a kind of build yeah there's a there's a kind of patience like oh if this doesn't work

patience like oh if this doesn't work patience like oh if this doesn't work out I can try a different thing yeah out I can try a different thing yeah out I can try a different thing yeah with Judo there's like an urgency like with Judo there's like an urgency like with Judo there's like an urgency like every s and there's a ref watching every s and there's a ref watching every s and there's a ref watching skeptically so you better show that skeptically so you better show that skeptically so you better show that you're making progress you've got to you're making progress you've got to you're making progress you've got to show the progression and that's why you show the progression and that's why you show the progression and that's why you know I always had a plan A B C you see know I always had a plan A B C you see know I always had a plan A B C you see there with there with there with you know that was 1981 there the great you know that was 1981 there the great you know that was 1981 there the great cash was Zaki was had um had a cash was Zaki was had um had a cash was Zaki was had um had a progression you know everything was he progression you know everything was he progression you know everything was he knew exactly where he had to be it was knew exactly where he had to be it was knew exactly where he had to be it was feel you know that wasn't by accident it feel you know that wasn't by accident it feel you know that wasn't by accident it was it was trained and I think that that was it was trained and I think that that was it was trained and I think that that transition there and taking uh control transition there and taking uh control transition there and taking uh control of somebody's mistake so somebody might of somebody's mistake so somebody might of somebody's mistake so somebody might have made a mistake or not hit properly have made a mistake or not hit properly have made a mistake or not hit properly or your defense has caused them to make or your defense has caused them to make or your defense has caused them to make a mistake and then you take advantage of a mistake and then you take advantage of a mistake and then you take advantage of it and that that is the difference so it and that that is the difference so it and that that is the difference so one of the side effects of that I don't one of the side effects of that I don't one of the side effects of that I don't know with the chicken or the egg but uh know with the chicken or the egg but uh know with the chicken or the egg but uh Judo people on the ground are much more Judo people on the ground are much more Judo people on the ground are much more aggressive so probably because of the aggressive so probably because of the aggressive so probably because of the urgency but just like there's an urgency but just like there's an urgency but just like there's an intention behind the the progress you're intention behind the the progress you're intention behind the the progress you're making I think making I think making I think Jiu-Jitsu uh is more relaxed there's Jiu-Jitsu uh is more relaxed there's Jiu-Jitsu uh is more relaxed there's more uh a culture of just finding places more uh a culture of just finding places more uh a culture of just finding places to relax and think of different control to relax and think of different control to relax and think of different control and positions and take your time time and positions and take your time time and positions and take your time time and as a result it's much much less and as a result it's much much less and as a result it's much much less exhausting so you can go for much longer exhausting so you can go for much longer exhausting so you can go for much longer feels like feels like feels like Judo is exhausting it's that 10c blast Judo is exhausting it's that 10c blast Judo is exhausting it's that 10c blast isn't it you know it's it's it's like isn't it you know it's it's it's like isn't it you know it's it's it's like doing sprints all the time you know and

doing sprints all the time you know and doing sprints all the time you know and that that is really hard and that's a that that is really hard and that's a that that is really hard and that's a special kind of condition you need and special kind of condition you need and special kind of condition you need and you need to be able to catch it and know you need to be able to catch it and know you need to be able to catch it and know when to go and when not to go and I when to go and when not to go and I when to go and when not to go and I think also I I know I was going to ask think also I I know I was going to ask think also I I know I was going to ask you you think it make a difference I you you think it make a difference I you you think it make a difference I mean certain uh mean certain uh mean certain uh Jiu-Jitsu it you can't just throw Jiu-Jitsu it you can't just throw Jiu-Jitsu it you can't just throw yourself on your back you know into the yourself on your back you know into the yourself on your back you know into the guard you you have to throw in to the guard you you have to throw in to the guard you you have to throw in to the situation you know I mean so you have situation you know I mean so you have situation you know I mean so you have got I mean I know Roger Gracie he he he got I mean I know Roger Gracie he he he got I mean I know Roger Gracie he he he decided that he was going to learn Judo decided that he was going to learn Judo decided that he was going to learn Judo he he saw the importance of being able he he saw the importance of being able he he saw the importance of being able to throw for the transition in and uh so to throw for the transition in and uh so to throw for the transition in and uh so he came to the buddai and he was he came to the buddai and he was he came to the buddai and he was learning off Ray Stevens and you know learning off Ray Stevens and you know learning off Ray Stevens and you know they they were doing really a lot well they they were doing really a lot well they they were doing really a lot well he's a fascinating study because he does he's a fascinating study because he does he's a fascinating study because he does the most basic stuff and he does it well the most basic stuff and he does it well the most basic stuff and he does it well like we did like another level of well like we did like another level of well like we did like another level of well it's like yamasha everyone knows what's it's like yamasha everyone knows what's it's like yamasha everyone knows what's coming with hajra Gracie but he just coming with hajra Gracie but he just coming with hajra Gracie but he just does it anyway against the best people does it anyway against the best people does it anyway against the best people in the world it's crazy he's like in the world it's crazy he's like in the world it's crazy he's like everybody in Jitsu at white belt learns everybody in Jitsu at white belt learns everybody in Jitsu at white belt learns the techniques he's using and he just the techniques he's using and he just the techniques he's using and he just does it amazing is yeah but he has about does it amazing is yeah but he has about does it amazing is yeah but he has about a thousand ways in yeah yeah I mean and a thousand ways in yeah yeah I mean and a thousand ways in yeah yeah I mean and the Thousand Ways are in the details so the Thousand Ways are in the details so the Thousand Ways are in the details so kind of might even look the same to kind of might even look the same to kind of might even look the same to people but there's I mean he finds a way people but there's I mean he finds a way people but there's I mean he finds a way to choke people so he's on top of them to choke people so he's on top of them to choke people so he's on top of them mounted in a sort of Judo pin position mounted in a sort of Judo pin position mounted in a sort of Judo pin position and you know everyone knows what's and you know everyone knows what's and you know everyone knows what's coming next against the best people in coming next against the best people in coming next against the best people in the world and you should be able to the world and you should be able to the world and you should be able to defend it but nobody can it's crazy I

defend it but nobody can it's crazy I defend it but nobody can it's crazy I think there's the power element as well think there's the power element as well think there's the power element as well you know that that you don't realize how you know that that you don't realize how you know that that you don't realize how you know when somebody's directed in a you know when somebody's directed in a you know when somebody's directed in a particular way then you have that kind particular way then you have that kind particular way then you have that kind of element of of absolute power that you of element of of absolute power that you of element of of absolute power that you can only feel like like when Roger's can only feel like like when Roger's can only feel like like when Roger's doing a doing a doing a technique I think that you would only technique I think that you would only technique I think that you would only feel it if he did it on you you know feel it if he did it on you you know feel it if he did it on you you know then then you can feel it it's not then then you can feel it it's not then then you can feel it it's not something that happens you know like so something that happens you know like so something that happens you know like so tricks is one thing but actually being tricks is one thing but actually being tricks is one thing but actually being able to do something really well from a able to do something really well from a able to do something really well from a power point of view you know it's like power point of view you know it's like power point of view you know it's like like you say he's he's only does those like you say he's he's only does those like you say he's he's only does those few things but he does them really few things but he does them really few things but he does them really really really well yeah I don't know really really well yeah I don't know really really well yeah I don't know what that is about actually Judo pins is what that is about actually Judo pins is what that is about actually Judo pins is very interesting case study as well very interesting case study as well very interesting case study as well because people are able to feel so heavy because people are able to feel so heavy because people are able to feel so heavy one of the things judoka are able to do one of the things judoka are able to do one of the things judoka are able to do is pin extremely well yeah like and it is pin extremely well yeah like and it is pin extremely well yeah like and it makes you realize that it's not about makes you realize that it's not about makes you realize that it's not about the weight it's about some kind of the weight it's about some kind of the weight it's about some kind of technique that makes people feel like technique that makes people feel like technique that makes people feel like they weigh 1,000 pounds it's about it's they weigh 1,000 pounds it's about it's they weigh 1,000 pounds it's about it's about weight distribution and change of about weight distribution and change of about weight distribution and change of balance you know what a lot of people balance you know what a lot of people balance you know what a lot of people don't realize that there's huge changes don't realize that there's huge changes don't realize that there's huge changes of of balance in on the ground massive of of balance in on the ground massive of of balance in on the ground massive you know you know what it's like I mean you know you know what it's like I mean you know you know what it's like I mean you know you're a jiu-jitsu man and and you know you're a jiu-jitsu man and and you know you're a jiu-jitsu man and and you know the detail of the techniques is you know the detail of the techniques is you know the detail of the techniques is what really interests me you know I mean what really interests me you know I mean what really interests me you know I mean I'm always looking small ideas you know I'm always looking small ideas you know I'm always looking small ideas you know I'm always looking at the Jiu-Jitsu and I'm always looking at the Jiu-Jitsu and I'm always looking at the Jiu-Jitsu and um I just it fascinates me you know I

um I just it fascinates me you know I um I just it fascinates me you know I would have done Jiu-Jitsu for sure but I would have done Jiu-Jitsu for sure but I would have done Jiu-Jitsu for sure but I wouldn't have forgotten uh the uh the wouldn't have forgotten uh the uh the wouldn't have forgotten uh the uh the Judo way in to the techniques you know I Judo way in to the techniques you know I Judo way in to the techniques you know I mean I I think you've got to different mean I I think you've got to different mean I I think you've got to different apprciate the two but I would have I apprciate the two but I would have I apprciate the two but I would have I would have loved the Jiu-Jitsu I would would have loved the Jiu-Jitsu I would would have loved the Jiu-Jitsu I would have absolutely loved it you know but it have absolutely loved it you know but it have absolutely loved it you know but it it wasn't as prominent then you know the it wasn't as prominent then you know the it wasn't as prominent then you know the I where the neas it came from I it came I where the neas it came from I it came I where the neas it came from I it came from a mistake me getting beaten in a from a mistake me getting beaten in a from a mistake me getting beaten in a particular contest and I went I'm not particular contest and I went I'm not particular contest and I went I'm not going to be beaten again on the ground going to be beaten again on the ground going to be beaten again on the ground that's oh that's how it happened Yeah that's oh that's how it happened Yeah that's oh that's how it happened Yeah well yeah the story of your life is like well yeah the story of your life is like well yeah the story of your life is like a loss a loss a loss creates uh the Phoenix Rises well it it creates uh the Phoenix Rises well it it creates uh the Phoenix Rises well it it it was 1978 and it was it was a you know it was 1978 and it was it was a you know it was 1978 and it was it was a you know it wasn't a mistake it was a a it wasn't a mistake it was a a it wasn't a mistake it was a a particular movement and uh I was particular movement and uh I was particular movement and uh I was fighting weight up from what my normal fighting weight up from what my normal fighting weight up from what my normal weight but I'm I stayed in the same weight but I'm I stayed in the same weight but I'm I stayed in the same position for one second too long got position for one second too long got position for one second too long got caught and choked sangaku yeah triangle caught and choked sangaku yeah triangle caught and choked sangaku yeah triangle triangle triangle wow and I uh I said I triangle triangle wow and I uh I said I triangle triangle wow and I uh I said I literally just the same as I said to you literally just the same as I said to you literally just the same as I said to you when I said I'm not going to drink when I said I'm not going to drink when I said I'm not going to drink anymore I came off and I said I'm never anymore I came off and I said I'm never anymore I came off and I said I'm never going to get caught on the ground yeah going to get caught on the ground yeah going to get caught on the ground yeah never going to lose on the ground and I never going to lose on the ground and I never going to lose on the ground and I never lost in in my whole competitive never lost in in my whole competitive never lost in in my whole competitive career career career again wow but yeah I I I I should again wow but yeah I I I I should again wow but yeah I I I I should mention that there's nothing like a pin mention that there's nothing like a pin mention that there's nothing like a pin from a from a judo person and I don't from a from a judo person and I don't from a from a judo person and I don't actually know if people in jit have made

actually know if people in jit have made actually know if people in jit have made sense of that like loaded that in but sense of that like loaded that in but sense of that like loaded that in but it's not part of it's not part of the it's not part of it's not part of the it's not part of it's not part of the game is it you know it the pin it's game is it you know it the pin it's game is it you know it the pin it's submission yeah but you know submission yeah but you know submission yeah but you know control is part of the game and nobody control is part of the game and nobody control is part of the game and nobody controls a human body the way Judo controls a human body the way Judo controls a human body the way Judo people do on the ground like they have people do on the ground like they have people do on the ground like they have understood the science of control and I understood the science of control and I understood the science of control and I think that's control is extremely useful think that's control is extremely useful think that's control is extremely useful in um Jiu-Jitsu as well just that people in um Jiu-Jitsu as well just that people in um Jiu-Jitsu as well just that people don't because there's so many other don't because there's so many other don't because there's so many other domains of exploration but the that's domains of exploration but the that's domains of exploration but the that's interesting I mean just and especially interesting I mean just and especially interesting I mean just and especially when you apply Jiu-Jitsu to U the when you apply Jiu-Jitsu to U the when you apply Jiu-Jitsu to U the fighting setting so mixed martial arts fighting setting so mixed martial arts fighting setting so mixed martial arts that control control that side control that control control that side control that control control that side control that pin control is really really really that pin control is really really really that pin control is really really really important so but then you add punching important so but then you add punching important so but then you add punching to the thing and it becomes that puts a to the thing and it becomes that puts a to the thing and it becomes that puts a whole different uh thing on it doesn't whole different uh thing on it doesn't whole different uh thing on it doesn't it I mean there's an alternate history it I mean there's an alternate history it I mean there's an alternate history where you would have been part of the where you would have been part of the where you would have been part of the early UFC's if time was a little early UFC's if time was a little early UFC's if time was a little different you different you different you know uh maybe a few years know uh maybe a few years know uh maybe a few years later cuz your your your style of Judo later cuz your your your style of Judo later cuz your your your style of Judo and Jiu-Jitsu and the and the and Jiu-Jitsu and the and the and Jiu-Jitsu and the and the Transitions and the aggression and the Transitions and the aggression and the Transitions and the aggression and the all of that would have worked really all of that would have worked really all of that would have worked really well in the early UFC's I'm sure I was well in the early UFC's I'm sure I was well in the early UFC's I'm sure I was being set up at one stage by one of The being set up at one stage by one of The being set up at one stage by one of The Graces um and that was when um when he Graces um and that was when um when he Graces um and that was when um when he was winning all the matches but he came was winning all the matches but he came was winning all the matches but he came him with with a couple of the cousins to him with with a couple of the cousins to him with with a couple of the cousins to one of my seminars yeah and uh he was one of my seminars yeah and uh he was one of my seminars yeah and uh he was one of the first ones wasn't he that uh

one of the first ones wasn't he that uh one of the first ones wasn't he that uh that that's how I love to see the kind that that's how I love to see the kind that that's how I love to see the kind of UFC because it was different martial of UFC because it was different martial of UFC because it was different martial arts different skills and you know I arts different skills and you know I arts different skills and you know I mean he he'd get close and he just choke mean he he'd get close and he just choke mean he he'd get close and he just choke them out or arm locked them or you know them out or arm locked them or you know them out or arm locked them or you know armar them and that was uh that was armar them and that was uh that was armar them and that was uh that was brilliant you know that was for me that brilliant you know that was for me that brilliant you know that was for me that was a revelation that was how I saw it was a revelation that was how I saw it was a revelation that was how I saw it yeah and it's a fascinating science yeah and it's a fascinating science yeah and it's a fascinating science experiment of which aspects of different experiment of which aspects of different experiment of which aspects of different martial arts work well and not when they martial arts work well and not when they martial arts work well and not when they clashed together and it it did turn out clashed together and it it did turn out clashed together and it it did turn out that that that nawaza worked well was the key yeah it nawaza worked well was the key yeah it nawaza worked well was the key yeah it was the key wasn't it yeah yeah it was a was the key wasn't it yeah yeah it was a was the key wasn't it yeah yeah it was a it was a big Missing Link in our it was a big Missing Link in our it was a big Missing Link in our conception of fighting it's the conception of fighting it's the conception of fighting it's the neutralizer of s neutralizer of s neutralizer of s and a lot of other components and it and a lot of other components and it and a lot of other components and it just blew people's mind like okay it's just blew people's mind like okay it's just blew people's mind like okay it's not just about size it's not just about not just about size it's not just about not just about size it's not just about big big guys big big guys big big guys swinging the hands it's it's a lot of swinging the hands it's it's a lot of swinging the hands it's it's a lot of other components and the ground work is other components and the ground work is other components and the ground work is really really really really really really important and of course there's a few important and of course there's a few important and of course there's a few judoka that succeeded in the UFC since judoka that succeeded in the UFC since judoka that succeeded in the UFC since then which is always interesting how then which is always interesting how then which is always interesting how they adapt you know when you take off they adapt you know when you take off they adapt you know when you take off the ghee how can you still throw people the ghee how can you still throw people the ghee how can you still throw people how can you still do control how can you how can you still do control how can you how can you still do control how can you still take take advantage of the still take take advantage of the still take take advantage of the transition on the ground Ronda Rousy is transition on the ground Ronda Rousy is transition on the ground Ronda Rousy is a good example somebody that took a good example somebody that took a good example somebody that took advantage of that yeah I think one of advantage of that yeah I think one of advantage of that yeah I think one of the biggest things for the Judo C is the biggest things for the Judo C is the biggest things for the Judo C is we've never you know there's no strikes we've never you know there's no strikes we've never you know there's no strikes and uh I think that's the and uh I think that's the and uh I think that's the biggest um shock if you wish you know

biggest um shock if you wish you know biggest um shock if you wish you know that that when you get one punch in the that that when you get one punch in the that that when you get one punch in the face you get punched in the face and and face you get punched in the face and and face you get punched in the face and and and you're not used to that you know and you're not used to that you know and you're not used to that you know that's that's not what we're used to that's that's not what we're used to that's that's not what we're used to some people are able to get punched in some people are able to get punched in some people are able to get punched in the face better than others yeah for the face better than others yeah for the face better than others yeah for sure uh then again there's Ronda Rousey sure uh then again there's Ronda Rousey sure uh then again there's Ronda Rousey who doesn't need to get punched in the who doesn't need to get punched in the who doesn't need to get punched in the face you just gets in close throws a face you just gets in close throws a face you just gets in close throws a person arm bar right there yeah and person arm bar right there yeah and person arm bar right there yeah and Kayla you know Kayla well Kayla Harrison Kayla you know Kayla well Kayla Harrison Kayla you know Kayla well Kayla Harrison that's another incredible person she that's another incredible person she that's another incredible person she could have probably been just winning could have probably been just winning could have probably been just winning Olympic gold medal after Olympic gold Olympic gold medal after Olympic gold Olympic gold medal after Olympic gold medal but chose to whatever you know she medal but chose to whatever you know she medal but chose to whatever you know she decides I mean Rond as well you know decides I mean Rond as well you know decides I mean Rond as well you know whatever they decided to do they they're whatever they decided to do they they're whatever they decided to do they they're great athletes and they hate losing I I great athletes and they hate losing I I great athletes and they hate losing I I don't don't don't anybody that hates losing more than anybody that hates losing more than anybody that hates losing more than those two you know I don't like it and those two you know I don't like it and those two you know I don't like it and Kayla Harrison like I don't know anybody Kayla Harrison like I don't know anybody Kayla Harrison like I don't know anybody that works as hard as her that's a crazy that works as hard as her that's a crazy that works as hard as her that's a crazy crazy crazy work ethic well let me ask crazy crazy work ethic well let me ask crazy crazy work ethic well let me ask you about training again Jimmy you about training again Jimmy you about training again Jimmy Pedro said he learned a lot from you he Pedro said he learned a lot from you he Pedro said he learned a lot from you he learned how to do uh taosi the armar G learned how to do uh taosi the armar G learned how to do uh taosi the armar G katami but he also learned from you katami but he also learned from you katami but he also learned from you training methodology training methodology training methodology so what's he talking about he told me so what's he talking about he told me so what's he talking about he told me about this what what what what's your about this what what what what's your about this what what what what's your approach to training throughout your approach to training throughout your approach to training throughout your career and as a developed I always career and as a developed I always career and as a developed I always wanted to train harder than anybody else wanted to train harder than anybody else wanted to train harder than anybody else I still train now every day if if I I still train now every day if if I I still train now every day if if I don't train do something I do do an hour don't train do something I do do an hour don't train do something I do do an hour of my physical work and I still go on of my physical work and I still go on of my physical work and I still go on the mat a little bit you know I'm 65 now the mat a little bit you know I'm 65 now the mat a little bit you know I'm 65 now and so I'm not doing really heavy stuff and so I'm not doing really heavy stuff and so I'm not doing really heavy stuff on the mat but I still like to train and

on the mat but I still like to train and on the mat but I still like to train and when I was 21 20 up to 30 I was one of when I was 21 20 up to 30 I was one of when I was 21 20 up to 30 I was one of the best trainers but you know Jimmy the best trainers but you know Jimmy the best trainers but you know Jimmy Pedro was one of the best trainers as Pedro was one of the best trainers as Pedro was one of the best trainers as well he was one of the he's one of your well he was one of the he's one of your well he was one of the he's one of your dream athletes you know that when Jimmy dream athletes you know that when Jimmy dream athletes you know that when Jimmy Pedro stepped through your door and he Pedro stepped through your door and he Pedro stepped through your door and he was just a kid you know he was like he was just a kid you know he was like he was just a kid you know he was like he was just young when he stepped through was just young when he stepped through was just young when he stepped through my door and I had a lot of full-time my door and I had a lot of full-time my door and I had a lot of full-time trainers so I had up to 20 really good trainers so I had up to 20 really good trainers so I had up to 20 really good athletes that were training hard and I athletes that were training hard and I athletes that were training hard and I only wanted hard trainers give me 10 only wanted hard trainers give me 10 only wanted hard trainers give me 10 that train hard rather than you one that train hard rather than you one that train hard rather than you one Primadonna that you know you're skillful Primadonna that you know you're skillful Primadonna that you know you're skillful the one that that you know could do it I the one that that you know could do it I the one that that you know could do it I I just I wanted 10 you know or 20 really I just I wanted 10 you know or 20 really I just I wanted 10 you know or 20 really hard trainers because you can do so much hard trainers because you can do so much hard trainers because you can do so much with them you can make Champions you can with them you can make Champions you can with them you can make Champions you can make them world champions you know if make them world champions you know if make them world champions you know if You' got somebody that was a special You' got somebody that was a special You' got somebody that was a special talent and they wanted to work hard then talent and they wanted to work hard then talent and they wanted to work hard then you had a special athlete well when you you had a special athlete well when you you had a special athlete well when you say hard trainers what what do you mean say hard trainers what what do you mean say hard trainers what what do you mean are these people that just like every are these people that just like every are these people that just like every single day are able to just grind it all single day are able to just grind it all single day are able to just grind it all do randor do the training do the the do randor do the training do the the do randor do the training do the the boring things just keep coming back when boring things just keep coming back when boring things just keep coming back when they're going get tough you know and and they're going get tough you know and and they're going get tough you know and and I I think that that was him he had a I I think that that was him he had a I I think that that was him he had a special mentality and you know and the special mentality and you know and the special mentality and you know and the thing is you see when you got him in thing is you see when you got him in thing is you see when you got him in your dojo all right even when you're your dojo all right even when you're your dojo all right even when you're tired when somebody's tired and when you tired when somebody's tired and when you tired when somebody's tired and when you know what an example to the others so know what an example to the others so know what an example to the others so he'd pull the other ones in in as well he'd pull the other ones in in as well he'd pull the other ones in in as well you know so I so I I had somebody that you know so I so I I had somebody that you know so I so I I had somebody that when everybody was tired and everybody

when everybody was tired and everybody when everybody was tired and everybody was sick of it and everybody just wanted was sick of it and everybody just wanted was sick of it and everybody just wanted to you know and he'd still be there you to you know and he'd still be there you to you know and he'd still be there you know so they had to do it so that was know so they had to do it so that was know so they had to do it so that was for me a win-win you know so he I had for me a win-win you know so he I had for me a win-win you know so he I had all the Americans actually and I had um all the Americans actually and I had um all the Americans actually and I had um Bobby berland and I had Michael Swain Bobby berland and I had Michael Swain Bobby berland and I had Michael Swain and I had Ed liyy and I had had them all and I had Ed liyy and I had had them all and I had Ed liyy and I had had them all coming to visit me uh at different times coming to visit me uh at different times coming to visit me uh at different times uh Jimmy was there you know they they uh Jimmy was there you know they they uh Jimmy was there you know they they wanted to be the best in the end we had wanted to be the best in the end we had wanted to be the best in the end we had such a a great Club atmosphere they such a a great Club atmosphere they such a a great Club atmosphere they wanted to come for for for the hard work wanted to come for for for the hard work wanted to come for for for the hard work and they knew that if they came they and they knew that if they came they and they knew that if they came they were going to be dragged out and we were were going to be dragged out and we were were going to be dragged out and we were going to do physical training and it going to do physical training and it going to do physical training and it physical training like they hadn't done physical training like they hadn't done physical training like they hadn't done before uh but it wasn't just the before uh but it wasn't just the before uh but it wasn't just the physical training it was the Judo and physical training it was the Judo and physical training it was the Judo and and the uh and the skill side of it as and the uh and the skill side of it as and the uh and the skill side of it as well and so I always had a great empathy well and so I always had a great empathy well and so I always had a great empathy with the US team Olympic team so a lot with the US team Olympic team so a lot with the US team Olympic team so a lot of your Olympic medalists have been of your Olympic medalists have been of your Olympic medalists have been through with me you know and so I'm I'm through with me you know and so I'm I'm through with me you know and so I'm I'm proud of that because we had you know proud of that because we had you know proud of that because we had you know some great times and they're still great some great times and they're still great some great times and they're still great mates now now and and so in New York uh mates now now and and so in New York uh mates now now and and so in New York uh in a couple of weeks time uh I'm going in a couple of weeks time uh I'm going in a couple of weeks time uh I'm going to have everybody who's going to be to have everybody who's going to be to have everybody who's going to be there they're all coming in Old Friends there they're all coming in Old Friends there they're all coming in Old Friends all old friends and new friends so uh all old friends and new friends so uh all old friends and new friends so uh what what what's the tough week look what what what's the tough week look what what what's the tough week look like at your Peak physical training like at your Peak physical training like at your Peak physical training randori uh is there days off uh a randori uh is there days off uh a randori uh is there days off uh a training like twice a day twice a day um training like twice a day twice a day um training like twice a day twice a day um so we do the preparation training we do

so we do the preparation training we do so we do the preparation training we do the running we do the weight training we the running we do the weight training we the running we do the weight training we do the skills in the morning as well uh do the skills in the morning as well uh do the skills in the morning as well uh the skills is for me one of the biggest the skills is for me one of the biggest the skills is for me one of the biggest advantages that any full-time trainers advantages that any full-time trainers advantages that any full-time trainers can have because um what happens is is can have because um what happens is is can have because um what happens is is that with most clubs you're trying to that with most clubs you're trying to that with most clubs you're trying to fit everything into that hour and a half fit everything into that hour and a half fit everything into that hour and a half or two hours you know you fit your or two hours you know you fit your or two hours you know you fit your skills you f your your physical training skills you f your your physical training skills you f your your physical training and your your uh sparring and your you and your your uh sparring and your you and your your uh sparring and your you know everything's in there all grouped know everything's in there all grouped know everything's in there all grouped in so the biggest advantages of having a in so the biggest advantages of having a in so the biggest advantages of having a full-time group is that you can split full-time group is that you can split full-time group is that you can split your skills and your skills lay your your skills and your skills lay your your skills and your skills lay your foundation so the biggest Advantage is foundation so the biggest Advantage is foundation so the biggest Advantage is being able to work specifically on being able to work specifically on being able to work specifically on things without having to worry about things without having to worry about things without having to worry about getting to do your free you know your getting to do your free you know your getting to do your free you know your randor or your your sparring or then you randor or your your sparring or then you randor or your your sparring or then you got to go out for you just do the skills got to go out for you just do the skills got to go out for you just do the skills well when you talk about skills like well when you talk about skills like well when you talk about skills like what is say your specialty as a taoshi what is say your specialty as a taoshi what is say your specialty as a taoshi what are we talking about Uchi comi what are we talking about Uchi comi what are we talking about Uchi comi doing a bunch of f working with bands doing a bunch of f working with bands doing a bunch of f working with bands are you doing throws are you actually are you doing throws are you actually are you doing throws are you actually just having conversations about like just having conversations about like just having conversations about like specific like tiny details of throws specific like tiny details of throws specific like tiny details of throws like what what does skills mean all like what what does skills mean all like what what does skills mean all those things about doing your repetition those things about doing your repetition those things about doing your repetition practice making sure the repetition is practice making sure the repetition is practice making sure the repetition is correct you know there good repetition correct you know there good repetition correct you know there good repetition so when we say good repetition does it so when we say good repetition does it so when we say good repetition does it would you call me when you just fitting would you call me when you just fitting would you call me when you just fitting the throw versus doing the throw where the throw versus doing the throw where the throw versus doing the throw where do you land on the value and getting it do you land on the value and getting it do you land on the value and getting it moving you know so one of the biggest moving you know so one of the biggest moving you know so one of the biggest most important things is getting it most important things is getting it most important things is getting it moving uh if we do something static moving uh if we do something static moving uh if we do something static again it's that static Target you need

again it's that static Target you need again it's that static Target you need to get it moving so you need to do a to get it moving so you need to do a to get it moving so you need to do a repetition repetition repetition and also you need to do a correct and also you need to do a correct and also you need to do a correct repetition because if you're doing 100 repetition because if you're doing 100 repetition because if you're doing 100 the repetitions that are not correct and the repetitions that are not correct and the repetitions that are not correct and repetitions under pressure too much repetitions under pressure too much repetitions under pressure too much pressure without somebody overseeing pressure without somebody overseeing pressure without somebody overseeing those skills to make sure that that that those skills to make sure that that that those skills to make sure that that that you correct the skills because if you're you correct the skills because if you're you correct the skills because if you're doing a skill if you're doing it uh 99 doing a skill if you're doing it uh 99 doing a skill if you're doing it uh 99 times incorrectly all right then uh times incorrectly all right then uh times incorrectly all right then uh repetition doesn't make perfect repetition doesn't make perfect repetition doesn't make perfect repetition makes permanent so you got to repetition makes permanent so you got to repetition makes permanent so you got to make it per as perfect as you possibly make it per as perfect as you possibly make it per as perfect as you possibly can so actually that skills group there can so actually that skills group there can so actually that skills group there is the most important thing and what I is the most important thing and what I is the most important thing and what I used to do is oversee it so I'd oversee used to do is oversee it so I'd oversee used to do is oversee it so I'd oversee it to make sure that it was done it to make sure that it was done it to make sure that it was done properly so you're watching the the properly so you're watching the the properly so you're watching the the footwork you're watching the gripping footwork you're watching the gripping footwork you're watching the gripping and then just constantly adjusting and then just constantly adjusting and then just constantly adjusting people I give you an example Jimmy Pedro people I give you an example Jimmy Pedro people I give you an example Jimmy Pedro Jimmy was one of the hardest when he was Jimmy was one of the hardest when he was Jimmy was one of the hardest when he was 19 years of age right so I was he always 19 years of age right so I was he always 19 years of age right so I was he always asking me to practice always so he's asking me to practice always so he's asking me to practice always so he's always on me all the time so I did always on me all the time so I did always on me all the time so I did groundw with him and could I put him on groundw with him and could I put him on groundw with him and could I put him on his back no I was all on him and he'll his back no I was all on him and he'll his back no I was all on him and he'll tell you you know but he was just tell you you know but he was just tell you you know but he was just wouldn't go he was just it was going to wouldn't go he was just it was going to wouldn't go he was just it was going to be great without a doubt all right so I be great without a doubt all right so I be great without a doubt all right so I wanted everybody on with him everybody wanted everybody on with him everybody wanted everybody on with him everybody so everybody went on with him you know so everybody went on with him you know so everybody went on with him you know and and so it only improved their game and and so it only improved their game and and so it only improved their game and it improved him and then with you and it improved him and then with you and it improved him and then with you know small technical things that have know small technical things that have know small technical things that have stayed with him that we were doing with

stayed with him that we were doing with stayed with him that we were doing with the juji katami that it's passed on to the juji katami that it's passed on to the juji katami that it's passed on to Kayla and then gone on you know to Ronda Kayla and then gone on you know to Ronda Kayla and then gone on you know to Ronda and it's all small things that I can see and it's all small things that I can see and it's all small things that I can see sometimes that you know it's passed on sometimes that you know it's passed on sometimes that you know it's passed on what about the taosi he said he learned what about the taosi he said he learned what about the taosi he said he learned a lot from you from that thr and he does a lot from you from that thr and he does a lot from you from that thr and he does it differently and so I should mention it differently and so I should mention it differently and so I should mention that's one of the that's one of the that's one of the trickier uh throw I mean I don't I still trickier uh throw I mean I don't I still trickier uh throw I mean I don't I still don't understand it is I don't don't understand it is I don't don't understand it is I don't understand so for people don't know it understand so for people don't know it understand so for people don't know it it it um boy how would you even explain it it um boy how would you even explain it it um boy how would you even explain it it doesn't make any sense it's uh it it doesn't make any sense it's uh it it doesn't make any sense it's uh when you just look when you just look when you just look solo the the movement you make is very solo the the movement you make is very solo the the movement you make is very it's quite simple but uh how you get it's quite simple but uh how you get it's quite simple but uh how you get person to be off balance how you yeah uh person to be off balance how you yeah uh person to be off balance how you yeah uh actually get them to be thrown and when actually get them to be thrown and when actually get them to be thrown and when you do throw it successfully it looks you do throw it successfully it looks you do throw it successfully it looks like a whipping motion that's effortless like a whipping motion that's effortless like a whipping motion that's effortless it makes no sense it makes no sense it makes no sense it makes no sense it makes no sense it makes no sense other than it's every technique starts other than it's every technique starts other than it's every technique starts with the hands so it's what we call with the hands so it's what we call with the hands so it's what we call kazushi and you know you're pulling kazushi and you know you're pulling kazushi and you know you're pulling somebody off balance getting them moving somebody off balance getting them moving somebody off balance getting them moving pulling them off balance pulling them off balance pulling them off balance uh taosi means body drop so it's uh taosi means body drop so it's uh taosi means body drop so it's basically uh two legs across your basically uh two legs across your basically uh two legs across your partner's body well I've got my back to partner's body well I've got my back to partner's body well I've got my back to you all right and I've already pulled you all right and I've already pulled you all right and I've already pulled you off balance with my hands and then you off balance with my hands and then you off balance with my hands and then I'm going to just Flex my legs up just I'm going to just Flex my legs up just I'm going to just Flex my legs up just as you're coming onto my back and uh and as you're coming onto my back and uh and as you're coming onto my back and uh and then you're going to go over you know if then you're going to go over you know if then you're going to go over you know if I coordinate it all right if it uh if it I coordinate it all right if it uh if it I coordinate it all right if it uh if it doesn't get coordinated right then doesn't get coordinated right then doesn't get coordinated right then you're going to come right on my back you're going to come right on my back you're going to come right on my back and try to rip my arm off you know so um and try to rip my arm off you know so um and try to rip my arm off you know so um yeah got to get it right what was the if

yeah got to get it right what was the if yeah got to get it right what was the if you can put convert it toward you can put convert it toward you can put convert it toward words uh some secret ingredients that words uh some secret ingredients that words uh some secret ingredients that allowed you to pull it off at the allowed you to pull it off at the allowed you to pull it off at the highest levels the T the hands start highest levels the T the hands start highest levels the T the hands start every technique uh so getting the every technique uh so getting the every technique uh so getting the repetition right first of all so you repetition right first of all so you repetition right first of all so you need uh to get the repetition right you need uh to get the repetition right you need uh to get the repetition right you need a good partner so uh actually need a good partner so uh actually need a good partner so uh actually training your partner to react in the training your partner to react in the training your partner to react in the right way is just as important as right way is just as important as right way is just as important as learning the throw so actually what learning the throw so actually what learning the throw so actually what happens is you know I we could get a happens is you know I we could get a happens is you know I we could get a lesson of beginners we teach the throw lesson of beginners we teach the throw lesson of beginners we teach the throw and then go right off you go and 90% of and then go right off you go and 90% of and then go right off you go and 90% of them will get it wrong because their them will get it wrong because their them will get it wrong because their partner's not reacting in the right way partner's not reacting in the right way partner's not reacting in the right way so half of it is to get the person to so half of it is to get the person to so half of it is to get the person to react as they should so if I was doing react as they should so if I was doing react as they should so if I was doing it with you you and I um first thing I'd it with you you and I um first thing I'd it with you you and I um first thing I'd teach you to do is to react the way I teach you to do is to react the way I teach you to do is to react the way I want you to react and then I'd react the want you to react and then I'd react the want you to react and then I'd react the way that you want me to react all right way that you want me to react all right way that you want me to react all right so then we'd have success with it rather so then we'd have success with it rather so then we'd have success with it rather than you leaning back in the wrong way than you leaning back in the wrong way than you leaning back in the wrong way or resisting or frightened you going or resisting or frightened you going or resisting or frightened you going over so you know so actually that's why over so you know so actually that's why over so you know so actually that's why nine times out of 10 people get the nine times out of 10 people get the nine times out of 10 people get the technique wrong it's actually technique wrong it's actually technique wrong it's actually fascinating to me because in the United fascinating to me because in the United fascinating to me because in the United States where I came up Judo I mean the States where I came up Judo I mean the States where I came up Judo I mean the level of Judo is not comparable to the level of Judo is not comparable to the level of Judo is not comparable to the level of Judo in the rest of the world level of Judo in the rest of the world level of Judo in the rest of the world um of course uh the the Pedro Center is um of course uh the the Pedro Center is um of course uh the the Pedro Center is an exception to that so certain athletes an exception to that so certain athletes an exception to that so certain athletes yeah certain athletes like I mean when I yeah certain athletes like I mean when I yeah certain athletes like I mean when I trained recently with with Jimmy Pedro

trained recently with with Jimmy Pedro trained recently with with Jimmy Pedro it's like even like the 16-year-old kids it's like even like the 16-year-old kids it's like even like the 16-year-old kids are just all deadly so it was are just all deadly so it was are just all deadly so it was terrifying uh but you know I remember terrifying uh but you know I remember terrifying uh but you know I remember the Russian national team came through the Russian national team came through the Russian national team came through Philadelphia and one of the things that Philadelphia and one of the things that Philadelphia and one of the things that really impressed me is just how much really impressed me is just how much really impressed me is just how much easier Judo was training Judo with them easier Judo was training Judo with them easier Judo was training Judo with them they moved correctly as like UK as the they moved correctly as like UK as the they moved correctly as like UK as the people getting thrown every aspect of people getting thrown every aspect of people getting thrown every aspect of their body movement was correct in terms their body movement was correct in terms their body movement was correct in terms of it felt right to be throwing them to of it felt right to be throwing them to of it felt right to be throwing them to be training with them everything about be training with them everything about be training with them everything about the gripping about the position of their the gripping about the position of their the gripping about the position of their hips about the shoulder everything it hips about the shoulder everything it hips about the shoulder everything it was it was fun it was easy and like and was it was fun it was easy and like and was it was fun it was easy and like and I was felt like I was learning so I I was felt like I was learning so I I was felt like I was learning so I think all of that is loaded in I guess think all of that is loaded in I guess think all of that is loaded in I guess into proper training so you're into proper training so you're into proper training so you're developing through the throws you're developing through the throws you're developing through the throws you're developing the right develop yeah and developing the right develop yeah and developing the right develop yeah and you have to develop um between you know you have to develop um between you know you have to develop um between you know I always had training partners that I I always had training partners that I I always had training partners that I trained with up to each Olympic Games trained with up to each Olympic Games trained with up to each Olympic Games and we um we work together for the we and we um we work together for the we and we um we work together for the we did the skills together and then we um did the skills together and then we um did the skills together and then we um you know we we worked together in order you know we we worked together in order you know we we worked together in order in order to make techniques work and we in order to make techniques work and we in order to make techniques work and we got it moving as quickly as we could and got it moving as quickly as we could and got it moving as quickly as we could and one of the worst things that I see is one of the worst things that I see is one of the worst things that I see is and I see a lot of YouTube stuff with um and I see a lot of YouTube stuff with um and I see a lot of YouTube stuff with um coaches here we go a don't even start me coaches here we go a don't even start me coaches here we go a don't even start me on that don't even start me on that but on that don't even start me on that but on that don't even start me on that but um you um you um you know what you're laughing because you know what you're laughing because you know what you're laughing because you know what I'm talking about right okay know what I'm talking about right okay know what I'm talking about right okay I'm actually laughing cuz I'm enjoying I'm actually laughing cuz I'm enjoying I'm actually laughing cuz I'm enjoying you talking trash but uh but you're

you talking trash but uh but you're you talking trash but uh but you're you're talking about technique uh yeah you're talking about technique uh yeah you're talking about technique uh yeah just oh well you know then you know the just oh well you know then you know the just oh well you know then you know the coaches and the clipboard guys you know coaches and the clipboard guys you know coaches and the clipboard guys you know with the clipboards and the stopwatches with the clipboards and the stopwatches with the clipboards and the stopwatches and you know they got these kids running and you know they got these kids running and you know they got these kids running up and down the mat and and then doing up and down the mat and and then doing up and down the mat and and then doing Uchi comi of of something that's Uchi comi of of something that's Uchi comi of of something that's technically incorrect um you know 10 technically incorrect um you know 10 technically incorrect um you know 10 times and then running up and doing times and then running up and doing times and then running up and doing another 10 at the other side you know another 10 at the other side you know another 10 at the other side you know and actually mixing everything together and actually mixing everything together and actually mixing everything together and it's just a mess technique is and it's just a mess technique is and it's just a mess technique is technical mess that said some of it is technical mess that said some of it is technical mess that said some of it is conditioning type stuff that you were conditioning type stuff that you were conditioning type stuff that you were doing so what what what is like the doing so what what what is like the doing so what what what is like the hardest type of physical conditioning hardest type of physical conditioning hardest type of physical conditioning you were doing probably ran too much you you were doing probably ran too much you you were doing probably ran too much you know when I was a when I was a kid if I know when I was a when I was a kid if I know when I was a when I was a kid if I could go back now I wouldn't run as much could go back now I wouldn't run as much could go back now I wouldn't run as much and I ran hard and I ran strong and I and I ran hard and I ran strong and I and I ran hard and I ran strong and I remember doing London Marathon one time remember doing London Marathon one time remember doing London Marathon one time and uh I said I'm never going to do it and uh I said I'm never going to do it and uh I said I'm never going to do it again I never and then but I ran you again I never and then but I ran you again I never and then but I ran you know and I I I was trying to the problem know and I I I was trying to the problem know and I I I was trying to the problem was when I did the London marathon is I was when I did the London marathon is I was when I did the London marathon is I was trying to beat three hours it's a d was trying to beat three hours it's a d was trying to beat three hours it's a d it's totally insane you know it was it's totally insane you know it was it's totally insane you know it was insane and I went out through half insane and I went out through half insane and I went out through half marathon in what I thought was a good marathon in what I thought was a good marathon in what I thought was a good time anyway I got to 16 17 miles and time anyway I got to 16 17 miles and time anyway I got to 16 17 miles and totally blw and so you went out too fast totally blw and so you went out too fast totally blw and so you went out too fast yeah I went out too fast and then you yeah I went out too fast and then you yeah I went out too fast and then you just died going absolutely just I died just died going absolutely just I died just died going absolutely just I died Le I I I got in I I crossed the line I Le I I I got in I I crossed the line I Le I I I got in I I crossed the line I remember seeing this bridge over there remember seeing this bridge over there remember seeing this bridge over there right and the bridge it was the right and the bridge it was the right and the bridge it was the Finishing Line over the bridge and I had

Finishing Line over the bridge and I had Finishing Line over the bridge and I had to get it was the longest bridge I've to get it was the longest bridge I've to get it was the longest bridge I've ever ever walked over like walk run like ever ever walked over like walk run like ever ever walked over like walk run like so I got over the bridge and I took one so I got over the bridge and I took one so I got over the bridge and I took one step over the the line like that and step over the the line like that and step over the the line like that and there was a guy over there and he was there was a guy over there and he was there was a guy over there and he was trying to rush everybody through you trying to rush everybody through you trying to rush everybody through you know and he was going come on come on know and he was going come on come on know and he was going come on come on come on people behind get get your hands come on people behind get get your hands come on people behind get get your hands off off off me said your hands off me now right me said your hands off me now right me said your hands off me now right there cuz we're going to out you know there cuz we're going to out you know there cuz we're going to out you know and uh and uh I couldn't move I I I and uh and uh I couldn't move I I I and uh and uh I couldn't move I I I couldn't move I was white and um it was couldn't move I was white and um it was couldn't move I was white and um it was amazingly you made it to the Finish Line amazingly you made it to the Finish Line amazingly you made it to the Finish Line though I did I got I got over there and though I did I got I got over there and though I did I got I got over there and um you know yeah Donald Duck passing me um you know yeah Donald Duck passing me um you know yeah Donald Duck passing me was was a was a tell oh there's a person was was a was a tell oh there's a person was was a was a tell oh there's a person dressed as Donald Duck Donald Duck dressed as Donald Duck Donald Duck dressed as Donald Duck Donald Duck yeah but the thing was I still crossed yeah but the thing was I still crossed yeah but the thing was I still crossed over 338 I crossed over 338 but I lost over 338 I crossed over 338 but I lost over 338 I crossed over 338 but I lost 38 minutes in the last four miles so 38 minutes in the last four miles so 38 minutes in the last four miles so that bridge longest bridge ever see you that bridge longest bridge ever see you that bridge longest bridge ever see you regret the run so anyway I I would do regret the run so anyway I I would do regret the run so anyway I I would do the running a little bit differently but the running a little bit differently but the running a little bit differently but we ran we ran hard we did the weight we ran we ran hard we did the weight we ran we ran hard we did the weight training we did good weight training it training we did good weight training it training we did good weight training it was all conditioned so I mean it was was all conditioned so I mean it was was all conditioned so I mean it was never the same training all the time so never the same training all the time so never the same training all the time so it was always um we'd uh have certain it was always um we'd uh have certain it was always um we'd uh have certain phases building up it was scientifically phases building up it was scientifically phases building up it was scientifically done it wasn't just out there run weight done it wasn't just out there run weight done it wasn't just out there run weight training Judo SE Judo all the time it training Judo SE Judo all the time it training Judo SE Judo all the time it was always pretty scientific good was always pretty scientific good was always pretty scientific good variety there was a good variety and it variety there was a good variety and it variety there was a good variety and it had buildup and it had a speed phase and had buildup and it had a speed phase and had buildup and it had a speed phase and it had a power phase and it had um you it had a power phase and it had um you it had a power phase and it had um you know a like a base condition what about

know a like a base condition what about know a like a base condition what about the randori was there a a method to the the randori was there a a method to the the randori was there a a method to the madness there how much randori did you madness there how much randori did you madness there how much randori did you do a lot so the most important thing for do a lot so the most important thing for do a lot so the most important thing for me um I mean I see now that there's a me um I mean I see now that there's a me um I mean I see now that there's a lot of people out there that are not lot of people out there that are not lot of people out there that are not getting enough rander they're not rander getting enough rander they're not rander getting enough rander they're not rander enough and there's a lot of sports enough and there's a lot of sports enough and there's a lot of sports science people and they they're running science people and they they're running science people and they they're running and they're weight training and and they're weight training and and they're weight training and they're doing it all to death and they're doing it all to death and they're doing it all to death and there's not enough Judo and the only there's not enough Judo and the only there's not enough Judo and the only ones you know like you have a look at ones you know like you have a look at ones you know like you have a look at some of the um the Eastern block some of the um the Eastern block some of the um the Eastern block countries are getting together they're countries are getting together they're countries are getting together they're having these Mass camps and the Japanese having these Mass camps and the Japanese having these Mass camps and the Japanese they have you know just massive people they have you know just massive people they have you know just massive people that they can do there they're doing that they can do there they're doing that they can do there they're doing probably 50 60 rander a week wait what probably 50 60 rander a week wait what probably 50 60 rander a week wait what 50 or 60 a week wow the average person 50 or 60 a week wow the average person 50 or 60 a week wow the average person is getting together I mean when I was is getting together I mean when I was is getting together I mean when I was doing doing doing rander uh when I went to Japan it was rander uh when I went to Japan it was rander uh when I went to Japan it was just purely for 60 rander a week how just purely for 60 rander a week how just purely for 60 rander a week how much is each one how long is it so they much is each one how long is it so they much is each one how long is it so they were five minutes then they're four were five minutes then they're four were five minutes then they're four minutes now but that's a lot especially minutes now but that's a lot especially minutes now but that's a lot especially given the level of the the competition given the level of the the competition given the level of the the competition there well you can do it in Japan there well you can do it in Japan there well you can do it in Japan because it's fairly light if they throw because it's fairly light if they throw because it's fairly light if they throw you they throw you you throw them so you they throw you you throw them so you they throw you you throw them so there's like a level of like you're there's like a level of like you're there's like a level of like you're moving at like a close to 100% but the moving at like a close to 100% but the moving at like a close to 100% but the actual power in the force is not quite actual power in the force is not quite actual power in the force is not quite different in Korea Korea was harder it different in Korea Korea was harder it different in Korea Korea was harder it was more physical so you couldn't do 50 was more physical so you couldn't do 50 was more physical so you couldn't do 50 randers in in Korea you you die yeah so

randers in in Korea you you die yeah so randers in in Korea you you die yeah so you do 30 randor wow but you need you you do 30 randor wow but you need you you do 30 randor wow but you need you need the randor and uh so I chase the need the randor and uh so I chase the need the randor and uh so I chase the randor so I Chas them into training randor so I Chas them into training randor so I Chas them into training camps I trace them all over my country camps I trace them all over my country camps I trace them all over my country so I I was getting 40 to 50 a week in my so I I was getting 40 to 50 a week in my so I I was getting 40 to 50 a week in my club and then I would go to training club and then I would go to training club and then I would go to training camps and add camps and add camps and add more and I honestly don't think that more and I honestly don't think that more and I honestly don't think that they do enough now a lot of countries they do enough now a lot of countries they do enough now a lot of countries somebody who doesn't know randor is live somebody who doesn't know randor is live somebody who doesn't know randor is live training so yeah sparring was there a training so yeah sparring was there a training so yeah sparring was there a few people you remember that were just few people you remember that were just few people you remember that were just like really tough to go against you like really tough to go against you like really tough to go against you mentioned mentioned mentioned goldtooth is there others like gold Toth goldtooth is there others like gold Toth goldtooth is there others like gold Toth is pretty horrific is pretty horrific is pretty horrific yeah he was oh you got him pretty I got yeah he was oh you got him pretty I got yeah he was oh you got him pretty I got him in the end and um yeah there like I him in the end and um yeah there like I him in the end and um yeah there like I iose I suppose I should say not just iose I suppose I should say not just iose I suppose I should say not just tough but just good training part tough but just good training part tough but just good training part partners that you great training partners that you great training partners that you great training Partners I remember with Nida and Nida Partners I remember with Nida and Nida Partners I remember with Nida and Nida was I mentioned him earlier said he was was I mentioned him earlier said he was was I mentioned him earlier said he was one of the best I mean he was just such one of the best I mean he was just such one of the best I mean he was just such a great technician so I I would go there a great technician so I I would go there a great technician so I I would go there to his dojo and he'd ask me to practice to his dojo and he'd ask me to practice to his dojo and he'd ask me to practice and he'd always he' finish the practice and he'd always he' finish the practice and he'd always he' finish the practice and you you know that he would always and you you know that he would always and you you know that he would always say another one we'll do another one say another one we'll do another one say another one we'll do another one right so you'd go a yeah because you had right so you'd go a yeah because you had right so you'd go a yeah because you had to make out that you you weren't that to make out that you you weren't that to make out that you you weren't that bothered that you had to do another one bothered that you had to do another one bothered that you had to do another one so you do another one back to back and so you do another one back to back and so you do another one back to back and then he goes some sometimes let's do then he goes some sometimes let's do then he goes some sometimes let's do another one so we'd end up doing 15 another one so we'd end up doing 15 another one so we'd end up doing 15 minutes with the same guy who could minutes with the same guy who could minutes with the same guy who could possibly throw you at any time you know possibly throw you at any time you know possibly throw you at any time you know and and that was hard yeah know so but I and and that was hard yeah know so but I and and that was hard yeah know so but I remember those particular um uh guys and

remember those particular um uh guys and remember those particular um uh guys and there were plenty of those what do you there were plenty of those what do you there were plenty of those what do you do with the exhaustion that you're do with the exhaustion that you're do with the exhaustion that you're feeling in those like how how deep did feeling in those like how how deep did feeling in those like how how deep did you go in terms of you dig deep and I I you go in terms of you dig deep and I I you go in terms of you dig deep and I I think that that was the great thing think that that was the great thing think that that was the great thing about having certain like European about having certain like European about having certain like European training camps were more physical so I training camps were more physical so I training camps were more physical so I remember know that we would have uh remember know that we would have uh remember know that we would have uh European training camps where you'd European training camps where you'd European training camps where you'd fight Germans and then the Dutch and fight Germans and then the Dutch and fight Germans and then the Dutch and then the French and then you know the then the French and then you know the then the French and then you know the Russian or the you you'd have all sorts Russian or the you you'd have all sorts Russian or the you you'd have all sorts different styles and people uh to fight different styles and people uh to fight different styles and people uh to fight and uh that that was something then you and uh that that was something then you and uh that that was something then you you'd have to dig in at a different you'd have to dig in at a different you'd have to dig in at a different place come out of there where do you go place come out of there where do you go place come out of there where do you go mentally when you you know how many mentally when you you know how many mentally when you you know how many times have you gone there where like times have you gone there where like times have you gone there where like you're really in deep Waters exhaustion you're really in deep Waters exhaustion you're really in deep Waters exhaustion wise in in competition actually wise in in competition actually wise in in competition actually competition it's happened you know so competition it's happened you know so competition it's happened you know so sometimes you go past where your sometimes you go past where your sometimes you go past where your forearms are absolutely blown I remember forearms are absolutely blown I remember forearms are absolutely blown I remember the final of um Czech uh tournament that the final of um Czech uh tournament that the final of um Czech uh tournament that we had and I fought a Frenchman uh in we had and I fought a Frenchman uh in we had and I fought a Frenchman uh in the final and my forearms were so blown the final and my forearms were so blown the final and my forearms were so blown I couldn't shake his hand mhm you know I couldn't shake his hand mhm you know I couldn't shake his hand mhm you know and then I remember they they were solid and then I remember they they were solid and then I remember they they were solid absolutely solid and they lactic acid absolutely solid and they lactic acid absolutely solid and they lactic acid and uh and I remember I stood on the and uh and I remember I stood on the and uh and I remember I stood on the rostrom this and and they were giving me rostrom this and and they were giving me rostrom this and and they were giving me things and I couldn't grip them properly things and I couldn't grip them properly things and I couldn't grip them properly so I was saying put it under my armpit so I was saying put it under my armpit so I was saying put it under my armpit or you know chin like that trying to or you know chin like that trying to or you know chin like that trying to hold his I couldn't hold anything you

hold his I couldn't hold anything you hold his I couldn't hold anything you know and so there there are times when I know and so there there are times when I know and so there there are times when I really had to go really deep I remember really had to go really deep I remember really had to go really deep I remember fighting two East Germans uh the same fighting two East Germans uh the same fighting two East Germans uh the same day one of the competitions and uh the day one of the competitions and uh the day one of the competitions and uh the number one and the number two East number one and the number two East number one and the number two East Germans and um that was another day had Germans and um that was another day had Germans and um that was another day had to really dig deep that's the the to really dig deep that's the the to really dig deep that's the the fascinating thing about some of these fascinating thing about some of these fascinating thing about some of these tournaments is you if you get if you go tournaments is you if you get if you go tournaments is you if you get if you go full distance on several matches in a full distance on several matches in a full distance on several matches in a row the way you're seeing in the finals row the way you're seeing in the finals row the way you're seeing in the finals are two people that have like fought a are two people that have like fought a are two people that have like fought a lot that day yeah and we have golden lot that day yeah and we have golden lot that day yeah and we have golden score now you know so we we see a lot of score now you know so we we see a lot of score now you know so we we see a lot of guys you know that going into golden guys you know that going into golden guys you know that going into golden score and they've done one contest at score and they've done one contest at score and they've done one contest at four minutes and then they go another four minutes and then they go another four minutes and then they go another four minutes and then you know we've had four minutes and then you know we've had four minutes and then you know we've had some go into a third four minutes that some go into a third four minutes that some go into a third four minutes that is all back to back it might be in the is all back to back it might be in the is all back to back it might be in the first round it might be in the final you first round it might be in the final you first round it might be in the final you know and we've got some now that are know and we've got some now that are know and we've got some now that are coming out and you can see the stats and coming out and you can see the stats and coming out and you can see the stats and the the ones that winning golden school the the ones that winning golden school the the ones that winning golden school so we got uh Japanese Hashimoto he's the so we got uh Japanese Hashimoto he's the so we got uh Japanese Hashimoto he's the Japanese representative now uh instead Japanese representative now uh instead Japanese representative now uh instead of Ono because Ono's finished so of Ono because Ono's finished so of Ono because Ono's finished so Hashimoto is coming out he was in a Hashimoto is coming out he was in a Hashimoto is coming out he was in a tournament last week to look up yeah tournament last week to look up yeah tournament last week to look up yeah just have a look at him so Hashimoto's just have a look at him so Hashimoto's just have a look at him so Hashimoto's in white here all right and uh there in white here all right and uh there in white here all right and uh there great example there well I'm glad we got great example there well I'm glad we got great example there well I'm glad we got on to that you know so I mean he has got on to that you know so I mean he has got on to that you know so I mean he has got great technique hasimoto great technique hasimoto great technique hasimoto e right so you can see exactly what e right so you can see exactly what e right so you can see exactly what we're talking about that great um we're talking about that great um we're talking about that great um timing and again you know sometimes he

timing and again you know sometimes he timing and again you know sometimes he backs them up to the edge and then he'll backs them up to the edge and then he'll backs them up to the edge and then he'll wait for them to come back in towards wait for them to come back in towards wait for them to come back in towards they don't want to step out to get a they don't want to step out to get a they don't want to step out to get a penalty I guess that's a Cross grip TT I penalty I guess that's a Cross grip TT I penalty I guess that's a Cross grip TT I should they see that wrong yeah Cross should they see that wrong yeah Cross should they see that wrong yeah Cross grip different grips oh great examples grip different grips oh great examples grip different grips oh great examples there just just what we were talking there just just what we were talking there just just what we were talking about making it look so easy wow so he's about making it look so easy wow so he's about making it look so easy wow so he's going to be their representative uh at going to be their representative uh at going to be their representative uh at 73 kg looking him back him up again and 73 kg looking him back him up again and 73 kg looking him back him up again and again just catching him as as he pushes again just catching him as as he pushes again just catching him as as he pushes back so push push push and then y action back so push push push and then y action back so push push push and then y action reaction at his best there yeah and uh reaction at his best there yeah and uh reaction at his best there yeah and uh slight change of Direction he sometimes slight change of Direction he sometimes slight change of Direction he sometimes goes down onto his knee there which is goes down onto his knee there which is goes down onto his knee there which is siosi it turns from taoshi which is siosi it turns from taoshi which is siosi it turns from taoshi which is springing up to siosi that's going springing up to siosi that's going springing up to siosi that's going down oh the the title of the video is uh down oh the the title of the video is uh down oh the the title of the video is uh his titos is a work of art yeah this is his titos is a work of art yeah this is his titos is a work of art yeah this is uh him at his best showing him uh doing uh him at his best showing him uh doing uh him at his best showing him uh doing what he does Best But he had to go three what he does Best But he had to go three what he does Best But he had to go three times into golden score last week and times into golden score last week and times into golden score last week and dick deep and lost one of them I think dick deep and lost one of them I think dick deep and lost one of them I think but you're still going at it you're but you're still going at it you're but you're still going at it you're talking about all those training talking about all those training talking about all those training sessions I uh Nikki your wonderful wife sessions I uh Nikki your wonderful wife sessions I uh Nikki your wonderful wife told me that you were looking you were told me that you were looking you were told me that you were looking you were going all over like from Target to going all over like from Target to going all over like from Target to Target looking for workout clothes cuz Target looking for workout clothes cuz Target looking for workout clothes cuz your luggage got lost your luggage got lost your luggage got lost because you had to get work out it yeah because you had to get work out it yeah because you had to get work out it yeah just I you know what I just I I realized just I you know what I just I I realized just I you know what I just I I realized that if I'm a miserable G right then that if I'm a miserable G right then that if I'm a miserable G right then she'll get me she'll get me into the gym she'll get me she'll get me into the gym she'll get me she'll get me into the gym you know so and the thing is is that I'm you know so and the thing is is that I'm you know so and the thing is is that I'm better if I get in there for an hour and better if I get in there for an hour and better if I get in there for an hour and I just do something at least 30 35 to 40

I just do something at least 30 35 to 40 I just do something at least 30 35 to 40 minutes cardio and then I do some minutes cardio and then I do some minutes cardio and then I do some weights and uh more High repetitions weights and uh more High repetitions weights and uh more High repetitions it's not so much heavy weights now but it's not so much heavy weights now but it's not so much heavy weights now but more functional stuff I mean you travel more functional stuff I mean you travel more functional stuff I mean you travel all over the world for for for for the all over the world for for for for the all over the world for for for for the commenter of the competitions so you're commenter of the competitions so you're commenter of the competitions so you're is it is it sometimes a challenge to is it is it sometimes a challenge to is it is it sometimes a challenge to figure out how well you know we during figure out how well you know we during figure out how well you know we during co uh then they closed all the gyms but co uh then they closed all the gyms but co uh then they closed all the gyms but we were still going out we were some one we were still going out we were some one we were still going out we were some one of the first ones out the the Judo were of the first ones out the the Judo were of the first ones out the the Judo were some of the first out the competitions some of the first out the competitions some of the first out the competitions were behind closed doors so we were in were behind closed doors so we were in were behind closed doors so we were in the the the hotel the gym was closed so we couldn't hotel the gym was closed so we couldn't hotel the gym was closed so we couldn't use the gyms uh so we had to look for use the gyms uh so we had to look for use the gyms uh so we had to look for other ways that we could work out so uh other ways that we could work out so uh other ways that we could work out so uh most most of the uh hotels that we were most most of the uh hotels that we were most most of the uh hotels that we were in were high-rise hotels so we were in in were high-rise hotels so we were in in were high-rise hotels so we were in the steps we were doing the steps right the steps we were doing the steps right the steps we were doing the steps right the way up you know so I started it and the way up you know so I started it and the way up you know so I started it and uh and so I started off with me going up uh and so I started off with me going up uh and so I started off with me going up and then one or two of the others and and then one or two of the others and and then one or two of the others and the referees started to go up with me the referees started to go up with me the referees started to go up with me and so in the end we'd have this trail and so in the end we'd have this trail and so in the end we'd have this trail of people going up the steps and down of people going up the steps and down of people going up the steps and down and every place we went to we had the and every place we went to we had the and every place we went to we had the steps so um yeah that was an interesting steps so um yeah that was an interesting steps so um yeah that was an interesting situation so we were sick of steps in situation so we were sick of steps in situation so we were sick of steps in the end uh what advice would you give to the end uh what advice would you give to the end uh what advice would you give to um beginners people starting out in Judo um beginners people starting out in Judo um beginners people starting out in Judo how to how to how to um how to develop their um how to develop their um how to develop their game how to find the beauty in in the game how to find the beauty in in the game how to find the beauty in in the sport and the Art of sport and the Art of sport and the Art of Judah if you put 10 people in a room and

Judah if you put 10 people in a room and Judah if you put 10 people in a room and said right get on with it yeah you'd said right get on with it yeah you'd said right get on with it yeah you'd have Mayhem have Mayhem have Mayhem right and I think that wherever whatever right and I think that wherever whatever right and I think that wherever whatever sport you're doing you need good sport you're doing you need good sport you're doing you need good instruction good teaching and a good instruction good teaching and a good instruction good teaching and a good club atmosphere you know some somewhere club atmosphere you know some somewhere club atmosphere you know some somewhere that's not as so intense that uh winning that's not as so intense that uh winning that's not as so intense that uh winning is the the the only thing and I think is the the the only thing and I think is the the the only thing and I think that if you look at 90% of the people that if you look at 90% of the people that if you look at 90% of the people that practice martial arts are doing it that practice martial arts are doing it that practice martial arts are doing it for pleasure so they want to get for pleasure so they want to get for pleasure so they want to get pleasure so you you need a club that's pleasure so you you need a club that's pleasure so you you need a club that's got a bit of a mixture you know they've got a bit of a mixture you know they've got a bit of a mixture you know they've got a a a direction to go into got a a a direction to go into got a a a direction to go into competition if they want and uh and then competition if they want and uh and then competition if they want and uh and then the rest it's for fun and and to enjoy the rest it's for fun and and to enjoy the rest it's for fun and and to enjoy it but with really good instruction it but with really good instruction it but with really good instruction because with really good instruction and because with really good instruction and because with really good instruction and a good foundation and a good base you a good foundation and a good base you a good foundation and a good base you get more enjoyment because you're you get more enjoyment because you're you get more enjoyment because you're you know you you you have more success and know you you you have more success and know you you you have more success and let's be honest you know the more let's be honest you know the more let's be honest you know the more success we have with something the more success we have with something the more success we have with something the more we like it yeah and great technique is a we like it yeah and great technique is a we like it yeah and great technique is a way to really discover the beauty of the way to really discover the beauty of the way to really discover the beauty of the art and so great teaching is really art and so great teaching is really art and so great teaching is really important there great teaching is so important there great teaching is so important there great teaching is so important what about what what does it important what about what what does it important what about what what does it take to get from the early days when you take to get from the early days when you take to get from the early days when you started started started Judo to to world class level I think Judo to to world class level I think Judo to to world class level I think that with most I mean you do here don't that with most I mean you do here don't that with most I mean you do here don't you you know somebody's been doing Judo you you know somebody's been doing Judo you you know somebody's been doing Judo for eight years and then they're in and for eight years and then they're in and for eight years and then they're in and I think it happened um one of the French I think it happened um one of the French I think it happened um one of the French Cho she went to the Olympic Games in Cho she went to the Olympic Games in Cho she went to the Olympic Games in 2012 and she'd been doing Judo for eight

2012 and she'd been doing Judo for eight 2012 and she'd been doing Judo for eight years but then she started to lose you years but then she started to lose you years but then she started to lose you know so she had a relative success early know so she had a relative success early know so she had a relative success early on the Olympics was one of them she got on the Olympics was one of them she got on the Olympics was one of them she got a silver medal a silver medal a silver medal but then she went off the boil and then but then she went off the boil and then but then she went off the boil and then she came back and now she's been there she came back and now she's been there she came back and now she's been there for she's still competing and she's been for she's still competing and she's been for she's still competing and she's been there for well over 13 years at the very there for well over 13 years at the very there for well over 13 years at the very top so I think that you know any top so I think that you know any top so I think that you know any foundation it's like anything if if you foundation it's like anything if if you foundation it's like anything if if you lay a really solid lay a really solid lay a really solid foundation generally lasts longer yeah foundation generally lasts longer yeah foundation generally lasts longer yeah well that that Foundation again is that well that that Foundation again is that well that that Foundation again is that technique or is there um what does it technique or is there um what does it technique or is there um what does it take to build that Foundation I think take to build that Foundation I think take to build that Foundation I think technique you get get away with murder technique you get get away with murder technique you get get away with murder you know you know you you you with you know you know you you you with you know you know you you you with technique you can get away with you know technique you can get away with you know technique you can get away with you know having bad condition you know but I mean having bad condition you know but I mean having bad condition you know but I mean you get found out in the end but um you you get found out in the end but um you you get found out in the end but um you can you know you can go out and you can can you know you can go out and you can can you know you can go out and you can win certain things by doing really nice win certain things by doing really nice win certain things by doing really nice technique but I think if you've got the technique but I think if you've got the technique but I think if you've got the mixture if you got the whole package mixture if you got the whole package mixture if you got the whole package then you can you know Go the whole way then you can you know Go the whole way then you can you know Go the whole way so for people who somehow don't know so for people who somehow don't know so for people who somehow don't know you've commentated some of the greatest you've commentated some of the greatest you've commentated some of the greatest Judo matches Judo matches Judo matches ever you've done Grand PRI you've done ever you've done Grand PRI you've done ever you've done Grand PRI you've done all these events Olympics Championship all these events Olympics Championship all these events Olympics Championship everything so what what uh just looking everything so what what uh just looking everything so what what uh just looking at the history of Judah what like stands at the history of Judah what like stands at the history of Judah what like stands out to you what events stand out to you out to you what events stand out to you out to you what events stand out to you what are some good memories that popped what are some good memories that popped what are some good memories that popped your head I think you know some of the your head I think you know some of the your head I think you know some of the Paris tournaments are amazing because Paris tournaments are amazing because Paris tournaments are amazing because the uh crowd they're there you know the uh crowd they're there you know the uh crowd they're there you know they're on the mat they're they're all they're on the mat they're they're all they're on the mat they're they're all judoka they all they're well educated to

judoka they all they're well educated to judoka they all they're well educated to the sport every time somebody Twitches the sport every time somebody Twitches the sport every time somebody Twitches you know they they're very biased you know they they're very biased you know they they're very biased towards their own which you kind of you towards their own which you kind of you towards their own which you kind of you expect but you know sometimes I haven't expect but you know sometimes I haven't expect but you know sometimes I haven't been able to hear myself speak and been able to hear myself speak and been able to hear myself speak and that's very unusual you know you've got that's very unusual you know you've got that's very unusual you know you've got the headphones on and you you're blocked the headphones on and you you're blocked the headphones on and you you're blocked out you know and like sometimes Teddy out you know and like sometimes Teddy out you know and like sometimes Teddy Rene has been walking out there and the Rene has been walking out there and the Rene has been walking out there and the crowd are going crazy and the and crowd are going crazy and the and crowd are going crazy and the and they're on the feet you know when they're on the feet you know when they're on the feet you know when somebody twitches and you know and and somebody twitches and you know and and somebody twitches and you know and and then you get this the the crowd silences then you get this the the crowd silences then you get this the the crowd silences we had one of those last week you know we had one of those last week you know we had one of those last week you know everybody's cheering their man and then everybody's cheering their man and then everybody's cheering their man and then bang their man goes over silence silence bang their man goes over silence silence bang their man goes over silence silence nothing like that and of course we were nothing like that and of course we were nothing like that and of course we were we were commentating we were going that we were commentating we were going that we were commentating we were going that was a bit of a crowd silencer you know was a bit of a crowd silencer you know was a bit of a crowd silencer you know but um yeah that happens yeah there is a but um yeah that happens yeah there is a but um yeah that happens yeah there is a surprising thing that at least it was to surprising thing that at least it was to surprising thing that at least it was to me that Paris and France is really big me that Paris and France is really big me that Paris and France is really big on Judo massive you know and and there's on Judo massive you know and and there's on Judo massive you know and and there's always surprises you know the the it's always surprises you know the the it's always surprises you know the the it's um like Paris is great in Japan for the um like Paris is great in Japan for the um like Paris is great in Japan for the Olympic Games the biggest surprise was Olympic Games the biggest surprise was Olympic Games the biggest surprise was Ono getting beaten in the team event now Ono getting beaten in the team event now Ono getting beaten in the team event now Ono is the greatest Judo man Ono is the greatest Judo man Ono is the greatest Judo man pound-for-pound probably one of the best pound-for-pound probably one of the best pound-for-pound probably one of the best and he won the Olympic title and then and he won the Olympic title and then and he won the Olympic title and then they went into the team event against they went into the team event against they went into the team event against France and Ono lost to a not he's not France and Ono lost to a not he's not France and Ono lost to a not he's not run of the-mill German but the German run of the-mill German but the German run of the-mill German but the German you know it wasn't certainly Olympic you know it wasn't certainly Olympic you know it wasn't certainly Olympic title isk and uh be owner yeah well the title isk and uh be owner yeah well the title isk and uh be owner yeah well the the team stuff is fascinating yeah the team stuff is fascinating yeah the team stuff is fascinating yeah fascinating changes the Dynamics of the

fascinating changes the Dynamics of the fascinating changes the Dynamics of the whole thing yeah and it's I mean it's whole thing yeah and it's I mean it's whole thing yeah and it's I mean it's funny to say Paris it it really makes it funny to say Paris it it really makes it funny to say Paris it it really makes it really big deal that this Olympics is really big deal that this Olympics is really big deal that this Olympics is being held in Paris like and they'll be being held in Paris like and they'll be being held in Paris like and they'll be the team to beat French team because the team to beat French team because the team to beat French team because they have the best balance of the weight they have the best balance of the weight they have the best balance of the weight categories they have the best balance categories they have the best balance categories they have the best balance with their people that are world and with their people that are world and with their people that are world and Olympic Olympic Olympic Champions uh and qualified men and women Champions uh and qualified men and women Champions uh and qualified men and women so three three men three women they have so three three men three women they have so three three men three women they have the best balance out of anybody and an the best balance out of anybody and an the best balance out of anybody and an educated audience educated audience home educated audience educated audience home educated audience educated audience home grounds it's going to be awesome be fun grounds it's going to be awesome be fun grounds it's going to be awesome be fun it will be super fun you nervous yeah it will be super fun you nervous yeah it will be super fun you nervous yeah all right do you get nervous I I get all right do you get nervous I I get all right do you get nervous I I get nervous I get nervous well I get really nervous I get nervous well I get really nervous I get nervous well I get really nervous nervous right now but you know nervous nervous right now but you know nervous nervous right now but you know given especially because it's the given especially because it's the given especially because it's the Olympics and you don't want to um you Olympics and you don't want to um you Olympics and you don't want to um you want to celebrate people properly right want to celebrate people properly right want to celebrate people properly right and it's like it's everything for them and it's like it's everything for them and it's like it's everything for them yeah and a lot of people especially like yeah and a lot of people especially like yeah and a lot of people especially like the finals matches yeah you know it'll the finals matches yeah you know it'll the finals matches yeah you know it'll be watched you know millions of times be watched you know millions of times be watched you know millions of times the highest mistakes all of this played the highest mistakes all of this played the highest mistakes all of this played over and over yeah and I find that you over and over yeah and I find that you over and over yeah and I find that you know with mine I'm I'm now a little bit know with mine I'm I'm now a little bit know with mine I'm I'm now a little bit more careful you know where like so I'll more careful you know where like so I'll more careful you know where like so I'll celebrate a massive throw and then be celebrate a massive throw and then be celebrate a massive throw and then be have empathy to the one that's been have empathy to the one that's been have empathy to the one that's been thrown you know because it's not the thrown you know because it's not the thrown you know because it's not the best feeling in the world especially in best feeling in the world especially in best feeling in the world especially in Olympic finals yeah can you imagine that Olympic finals yeah can you imagine that Olympic finals yeah can you imagine that yeah must be terrible must be terrible yeah must be terrible must be terrible yeah must be terrible must be terrible yeah just reflecting so no I I have a

yeah just reflecting so no I I have a yeah just reflecting so no I I have a bit of empathy there and I just I TR and bit of empathy there and I just I TR and bit of empathy there and I just I TR and say the right things because they always say the right things because they always say the right things because they always do come up to me and say you commentated do come up to me and say you commentated do come up to me and say you commentated my fights yeah you're the voice of the my fights yeah you're the voice of the my fights yeah you're the voice of the biggest triumphs and the biggest biggest triumphs and the biggest biggest triumphs and the biggest tragedies for these athletes for the tragedies for these athletes for the tragedies for these athletes for the world that watches and admires these world that watches and admires these world that watches and admires these athletes no pressure you're the voice athletes no pressure you're the voice athletes no pressure you're the voice don't screw it up now don't screw it up don't screw it up now don't screw it up don't screw it up now don't screw it up your voice is in my head when I watch your voice is in my head when I watch your voice is in my head when I watch these you know it's it's it's it's these you know it's it's it's it's these you know it's it's it's it's fascinating it's fascinating but you're fascinating it's fascinating but you're fascinating it's fascinating but you're you're a master of it it's uh it's a you're a master of it it's uh it's a you're a master of it it's uh it's a huge honor huge honor huge honor uh that you will talk with me um thank uh that you will talk with me um thank uh that you will talk with me um thank you for everything you've done for the you for everything you've done for the you for everything you've done for the sport of Judo for the Olympics for Just sport of Judo for the Olympics for Just sport of Judo for the Olympics for Just Sports in general just celebrating Sports in general just celebrating Sports in general just celebrating greatness in all of its forms thank you greatness in all of its forms thank you greatness in all of its forms thank you for talking today keep going I can't for talking today keep going I can't for talking today keep going I can't wait to listen to you in Paris thank you wait to listen to you in Paris thank you wait to listen to you in Paris thank you for having me and uh it's just been an for having me and uh it's just been an for having me and uh it's just been an honor to to be here with you thanks for honor to to be here with you thanks for honor to to be here with you thanks for listening to this conversation with Neil listening to this conversation with Neil listening to this conversation with Neil Adams to support this podcast please Adams to support this podcast please Adams to support this podcast please check out our sponsors in the check out our sponsors in the check out our sponsors in the description and not now let me leave you description and not now let me leave you description and not now let me leave you with some words from mamoto with some words from mamoto with some words from mamoto Masashi there's nothing outside of Masashi there's nothing outside of Masashi there's nothing outside of yourself that can ever enable you to get yourself that can ever enable you to get yourself that can ever enable you to get better stronger richer quicker or better stronger richer quicker or better stronger richer quicker or smarter everything is within everything smarter everything is within everything smarter everything is within everything exists seek nothing outside of exists seek nothing outside of exists seek nothing outside of yourself thank you for listening and yourself thank you for listening and yourself thank you for listening and hope to see you next time