Matthew McConaughey: Freedom, Truth, Family, Hardship, and Love | Lex Fridman Podcast #384

if you really want to give a character if you really want to give a character an obstacle to overcome a need an obstacle to overcome a need an obstacle to overcome a need I mean the base one is life and death the following is a conversation with the following is a conversation with Matthew McConaughey a legendary Matthew McConaughey a legendary Matthew McConaughey a legendary oscar-winning actor and one of the most oscar-winning actor and one of the most oscar-winning actor and one of the most unique charismatic and inspiring humans unique charismatic and inspiring humans unique charismatic and inspiring humans and Texans who walk this Earth and Texans who walk this Earth and Texans who walk this Earth he starred in films and shows loved by he starred in films and shows loved by he starred in films and shows loved by me and millions of others including me and millions of others including me and millions of others including Interstellar Dazed and Confused Dallas Interstellar Dazed and Confused Dallas Interstellar Dazed and Confused Dallas Buyers Club Killer Joe mud True Buyers Club Killer Joe mud True Buyers Club Killer Joe mud True Detective and soon a spin-off of Detective and soon a spin-off of Detective and soon a spin-off of Yellowstone Yellowstone Yellowstone off screen his words carry wisdom and off screen his words carry wisdom and off screen his words carry wisdom and power in his book called green lights power in his book called green lights power in his book called green lights and his new video course called road and his new video course called road and his new video course called road trip where Matthew expands and the trip where Matthew expands and the trip where Matthew expands and the philosophy in his book and shows how to philosophy in his book and shows how to philosophy in his book and shows how to apply to your life in order to find more apply to your life in order to find more apply to your life in order to find more happiness success and love happiness success and love happiness success and love this is the Lex Friedman podcast to this is the Lex Friedman podcast to this is the Lex Friedman podcast to support it please check out our sponsors support it please check out our sponsors support it please check out our sponsors in the description and now dear friends in the description and now dear friends in the description and now dear friends here's Matthew McConaughey here's Matthew McConaughey here's Matthew McConaughey let's start with love let's start with love let's start with love your parents had a Complicated Love your parents had a Complicated Love your parents had a Complicated Love Story Story Story divorced twice married three times divorced twice married three times divorced twice married three times what did you learned about love from what did you learned about love from what did you learned about love from your mom and dad and their love story that it's messy that it's messy that it takes work that that it's ugly it's ugly it's ugly that

that that no matter how great a mess it is no matter how great a mess it is no matter how great a mess it is don't go to bed until you've until you've come back together to either Embrace or come back together to either Embrace or come back together to either Embrace or admit that you truly love each other admit that you truly love each other admit that you truly love each other even if you hadn't solved what the hell even if you hadn't solved what the hell even if you hadn't solved what the hell you're bitching about you're bitching about you're bitching about that love will win love will win in the end literally three to two in the end literally three to two in the end literally three to two with my mom and dad yeah um um and that even in the two divorces and in and that even in the two divorces and in and that even in the two divorces and in the two times where they couldn't live the two times where they couldn't live the two times where they couldn't live with each other with each other with each other they still loved each other they still loved each other they still loved each other they just couldn't they just couldn't they just couldn't live with each other at that time for live with each other at that time for live with each other at that time for whatever reason they needed and I don't whatever reason they needed and I don't whatever reason they needed and I don't know the details if they needed their know the details if they needed their know the details if they needed their space Freedom or what but they were space Freedom or what but they were space Freedom or what but they were never out of love never out of love never out of love with each other with each other with each other um if you just if you when we're not sure if you just if you when we're not sure what to do what to do what to do and you people give you a thousand books and you people give you a thousand books and you people give you a thousand books and advice and advice and advice as a parent as a parent as a parent if your kid if your kid if your kid knows you love them knows you love them knows you love them you're in the black you're in the black you're in the black that's the main thing it won't work that's the main thing it won't work that's the main thing it won't work without that

without that without that um and it can work and will usually can um and it can work and will usually can um and it can work and will usually can work with that work with that work with that they just know that fact they just know that fact they just know that fact so it's not just love for each other so it's not just love for each other so it's not just love for each other it's the love for the bigger family it's the love for the bigger family it's the love for the bigger family that ultimately helps you persist that ultimately helps you persist that ultimately helps you persist through the ups and downs through the ups and downs through the ups and downs well well well [Applause] [Applause] [Applause] I mean I don't know how much I mean I don't know how much I mean I don't know how much particularly my mom and dad were staying together at times maybe when staying together at times maybe when they didn't want to because they had they didn't want to because they had they didn't want to because they had children I don't actually think they children I don't actually think they children I don't actually think they considered that considered that considered that I I I I think they were I I I I think they were I I I I think they were much less conscientious than say much less conscientious than say much less conscientious than say I am I am I am today I think my mom and dad were more today I think my mom and dad were more today I think my mom and dad were more like like like they'll be fine we love them they'll be they'll be fine we love them they'll be they'll be fine we love them they'll be fine but we'll we'll cross that bridge fine but we'll we'll cross that bridge fine but we'll we'll cross that bridge when we get there right now they would when we get there right now they would when we get there right now they would let's work it out between you and I is let's work it out between you and I is let's work it out between you and I is what I think my mom and dad were saying what I think my mom and dad were saying what I think my mom and dad were saying to each other or or not they uh um to each other or or not they uh um to each other or or not they uh um they they they they they they wanted and needed a relationship that wanted and needed a relationship that wanted and needed a relationship that was a tidal wave Rocky right angles was a tidal wave Rocky right angles was a tidal wave Rocky right angles tsunamis and to this day tsunamis and to this day tsunamis and to this day in in my life with Camille and I which I in in my life with Camille and I which I in in my life with Camille and I which I don't I like a river has some swerves don't I like a river has some swerves don't I like a river has some swerves and some some streams and some Rapids and some some streams and some Rapids and some some streams and some Rapids but I'm not looking for a tidal wave my but I'm not looking for a tidal wave my but I'm not looking for a tidal wave my mom's like mom's like mom's like what's all this everything so smooth what's all this everything so smooth what's all this everything so smooth yeah stuff come on come on come on come yeah stuff come on come on come on come yeah stuff come on come on come on come on so she challenges

on so she challenges on so she challenges like Vitality because that's what my mom like Vitality because that's what my mom like Vitality because that's what my mom needed to communicate I don't think my needed to communicate I don't think my needed to communicate I don't think my dad needed it as much dad needed it as much dad needed it as much of that uh the the the the the the the of that uh the the the the the the the of that uh the the the the the the the the the the the the the hard angles hard angles hard angles that their relationship between my dad that their relationship between my dad that their relationship between my dad needed as much as my mom needed as much as my mom needed as much as my mom but the clashes demonstrated the passion but the clashes demonstrated the passion but the clashes demonstrated the passion that underlies the love yes and that's that underlies the love yes and that's that underlies the love yes and that's I've I've always been asked you know I've I've always been asked you know I've I've always been asked you know when I talk about my parents love when I talk about my parents love when I talk about my parents love relationship I tell the stories relationship I tell the stories relationship I tell the stories that are actually sometimes quite that are actually sometimes quite that are actually sometimes quite violent violent violent and there's some good stories there and there's some good stories there and there's some good stories there they're beautiful I think they're they're beautiful I think they're they're beautiful I think they're beautiful yeah I think they're beautiful beautiful yeah I think they're beautiful beautiful yeah I think they're beautiful too but I've had people go wait a minute too but I've had people go wait a minute too but I've had people go wait a minute that was unhealthy you can't dead and I that was unhealthy you can't dead and I that was unhealthy you can't dead and I was like no that's again back to the was like no that's again back to the was like no that's again back to the beginning Love's messy in that what I beginning Love's messy in that what I beginning Love's messy in that what I love about those stories is love about those stories is love about those stories is that's where the love was actually it that's where the love was actually it that's where the love was actually it was tested was tested was tested and it could have broke and been over and it could have broke and been over and it could have broke and been over yeah and it never was again the love won yeah and it never was again the love won yeah and it never was again the love won in the kitchen floor or the blood's in the kitchen floor or the blood's in the kitchen floor or the blood's drawn drawn drawn knifes are pulled ketchup ketchups all knifes are pulled ketchup ketchups all knifes are pulled ketchup ketchups all over over over but we make love on the kitchen floor to but we make love on the kitchen floor to but we make love on the kitchen floor to end yeah I mean come on beautiful so as end yeah I mean come on beautiful so as end yeah I mean come on beautiful so as romantic as it gets right there whoa romantic as it gets right there whoa romantic as it gets right there whoa uh what's the memory from childhood that uh what's the memory from childhood that uh what's the memory from childhood that helped set you on the trajectory of helped set you on the trajectory of helped set you on the trajectory of becoming the man you are today standing on the corner with Mr Mayor

standing on the corner with Mr Mayor principle of Saint Phillips school I was principle of Saint Phillips school I was principle of Saint Phillips school I was in kindergarten in kindergarten in kindergarten I I I looked up and there was a cloud in the looked up and there was a cloud in the looked up and there was a cloud in the sky sky sky and I said Mr Mayor and I said Mr Mayor and I said Mr Mayor is that cloud as big as the world is that cloud as big as the world is that cloud as big as the world and he paused for a minute and he goes and he paused for a minute and he goes and he paused for a minute and he goes well yes it is Matthew well yes it is Matthew well yes it is Matthew now my seven-year-old mind I went okay now my seven-year-old mind I went okay now my seven-year-old mind I went okay I can see the outlines of it and and that must mean it is so far away because that must mean it is so far away because that must mean it is so far away because if that's as big as the world I remember if that's as big as the world I remember if that's as big as the world I remember it took 15 hours to drive from from it took 15 hours to drive from from it took 15 hours to drive from from Longview to Florida last year you know Longview to Florida last year you know Longview to Florida last year you know and and I can't even see that far so and and I can't even see that far so and and I can't even see that far so that cloud must be so far off that cloud must be so far off that cloud must be so far off that is not worth me even considering space dreams space dreams anything I was like anything I was like anything I was like Army I'm looking down I'm gonna put my Army I'm looking down I'm gonna put my Army I'm looking down I'm gonna put my head to the ground I'm gonna look right head to the ground I'm gonna look right head to the ground I'm gonna look right in front of me and deal with what's in in front of me and deal with what's in in front of me and deal with what's in front of me because dealing with dreams front of me because dealing with dreams front of me because dealing with dreams and what's out there and not on this and what's out there and not on this and what's out there and not on this Earth that gravity holds down not worth Earth that gravity holds down not worth Earth that gravity holds down not worth considering you never make it it's not considering you never make it it's not considering you never make it it's not even worth imagining it's it's fairy even worth imagining it's it's fairy even worth imagining it's it's fairy dust dust dust so so so I think I got I think I got I think I got learned a lot of self-reliance from that learned a lot of self-reliance from that learned a lot of self-reliance from that I think I I got a work ethic from that I I think I I got a work ethic from that I I think I I got a work ethic from that I think I got a think I got a think I got a hey focus on what's right in front of hey focus on what's right in front of hey focus on what's right in front of you

you you do the deed do the deed do the deed take care of what's in front of you one take care of what's in front of you one take care of what's in front of you one at a time and slowly Notch up your way at a time and slowly Notch up your way at a time and slowly Notch up your way and hopefully there's some Ascension to and hopefully there's some Ascension to and hopefully there's some Ascension to that that that and and and it wasn't until 40 years later 40 years later in some ways decades later that I in some ways decades later that I in some ways decades later that I started to go started to go started to go oh I can project I Can Dream why because I can project I Can Dream why because literally the first time I got in a literally the first time I got in a literally the first time I got in a plane and in 30 seconds I was in a cloud plane and in 30 seconds I was in a cloud plane and in 30 seconds I was in a cloud I'm like whoa we must be going a I'm like whoa we must be going a I'm like whoa we must be going a trillion miles an hour because we're trillion miles an hour because we're trillion miles an hour because we're already in that cloud that was as big as already in that cloud that was as big as already in that cloud that was as big as the world that I saw the edge of the world that I saw the edge of the world that I saw the edge of and then I grew and learned enough to go and then I grew and learned enough to go and then I grew and learned enough to go well that's not true train planes don't well that's not true train planes don't well that's not true train planes don't go that fast go that fast go that fast oh oh oh what Mr Mayor said wasn't really true what Mr Mayor said wasn't really true what Mr Mayor said wasn't really true that cloud is not as big as the world that cloud is not as big as the world that cloud is not as big as the world and it's not near as far away as I and it's not near as far away as I and it's not near as far away as I thought but I'm glad he lied to me but I'm glad he lied to me what do you think about that that what do you think about that that what do you think about that that tension of a way of living life tension of a way of living life tension of a way of living life between being a dreamer and a pragmatist between being a dreamer and a pragmatist between being a dreamer and a pragmatist yeah yeah yeah which is a better way Donnie holds the Donnie holds the the reciprocity the two of them I mean I the reciprocity the two of them I mean I the reciprocity the two of them I mean I can't be present unless I got plans can't be present unless I got plans can't be present unless I got plans I wanna I wanna have the big picture in I wanna I wanna have the big picture in I wanna I wanna have the big picture in mind but I gotta go a day at a time I mind but I gotta go a day at a time I mind but I gotta go a day at a time I like to write the headline or have a I like to write the headline or have a I like to write the headline or have a I think we need to have a North star think we need to have a North star think we need to have a North star something to look forward to

something to look forward to something to look forward to but we all know that if we're staring at but we all know that if we're staring at but we all know that if we're staring at it it it we're tripping on the way we're tripping on the way we're tripping on the way if we're just you know the old if we're just you know the old if we're just you know the old you read the Hallmark cards you take irk you read the Hallmark cards you take irk you read the Hallmark cards you take irk me you know dream it you can do it me you know dream it you can do it me you know dream it you can do it I think that's it I think that's it I think that's it half-assed horrible thing to tell half-assed horrible thing to tell half-assed horrible thing to tell somebody yeah you know because uh um and somebody yeah you know because uh um and somebody yeah you know because uh um and you talk and then on the other side you you talk and then on the other side you you talk and then on the other side you have things like you know people say have things like you know people say have things like you know people say hope means nothing well yes it does hope means nothing well yes it does hope means nothing well yes it does that's the dream that's the dream that's the dream you just don't stop there it's not a you just don't stop there it's not a you just don't stop there it's not a period after that word now what do we do period after that word now what do we do period after that word now what do we do practically practically practically and I think that constant tension when and I think that constant tension when and I think that constant tension when that tension to dance is when it's that tension to dance is when it's that tension to dance is when it's beautiful there's an asthma but to see beautiful there's an asthma but to see beautiful there's an asthma but to see those as contradictions I think is where those as contradictions I think is where those as contradictions I think is where we where it's fallen short so I don't we where it's fallen short so I don't we where it's fallen short so I don't I one on their own I one on their own I one on their own if we Silo the two um if you Silo the two I guess the the um if you Silo the two I guess the the pragmatics the one to go with because at pragmatics the one to go with because at pragmatics the one to go with because at least you'll get something done but if least you'll get something done but if least you'll get something done but if you only Silo the dream and don't do you only Silo the dream and don't do you only Silo the dream and don't do anything about it that's you're kind of anything about it that's you're kind of anything about it that's you're kind of living an illusion and kind of living in living an illusion and kind of living in living an illusion and kind of living in a virtual reality Yeah It's Tricky even a virtual reality Yeah It's Tricky even a virtual reality Yeah It's Tricky even the people you love can sometimes the people you love can sometimes the people you love can sometimes suffocate the dream suffocate the dream suffocate the dream can uh can uh can uh make you believe that it's not possible make you believe that it's not possible make you believe that it's not possible it feels like a lot of parents kind of it feels like a lot of parents kind of it feels like a lot of parents kind of want you to be safe want you to be want you to be safe want you to be want you to be safe want you to be stable want you to have a plan so that stable want you to have a plan so that stable want you to have a plan so that everything's gonna be okay yeah and the everything's gonna be okay yeah and the everything's gonna be okay yeah and the dream feels like a threat to that

dream feels like a threat to that dream feels like a threat to that yeah yeah yeah how much of that though I wonder is is how much of that though I wonder is is how much of that though I wonder is is proper initiation because if you throw in dreams out I because if you throw in dreams out I call it conservative very liberal late call it conservative very liberal late call it conservative very liberal late let's learn to block and tackle it's let's learn to block and tackle it's let's learn to block and tackle it's learned that work ethic those things learned that work ethic those things learned that work ethic those things those pragmatics first those pragmatics first those pragmatics first learn the rules of the road the rules of learn the rules of the road the rules of learn the rules of the road the rules of the game the things that we can all kind the game the things that we can all kind the game the things that we can all kind of rely on this is how the world's of rely on this is how the world's of rely on this is how the world's supposed to work now it doesn't always supposed to work now it doesn't always supposed to work now it doesn't always work that way you know you teach it work that way you know you teach it work that way you know you teach it teach a child to drive it's like yeah teach a child to drive it's like yeah teach a child to drive it's like yeah you stay in the lane you go speed limit you stay in the lane you go speed limit you stay in the lane you go speed limit this is all helpful but that doesn't this is all helpful but that doesn't this is all helpful but that doesn't guarantee that no one else is around the guarantee that no one else is around the guarantee that no one else is around the red light but we learn that later red light but we learn that later red light but we learn that later um um um there's an initiation I think that's there's an initiation I think that's there's an initiation I think that's proper with with the dream I mean you I I think parents the dream I mean you I I think parents the dream I mean you I I think parents my parents very much that way the idea my parents very much that way the idea my parents very much that way the idea of going to chase an acting career or of going to chase an acting career or of going to chase an acting career or something was what something was what something was what it was it was that was a different it was it was that was a different it was it was that was a different vernacular that was like not in our vernacular that was like not in our vernacular that was like not in our I was taught to work away up a company I was taught to work away up a company I was taught to work away up a company ladder and ladder and ladder and nine to five do your job nine to five do your job nine to five do your job but the day I brought it up and said I but the day I brought it up and said I but the day I brought it up and said I want to go to film School want to go to film School want to go to film School and I thought my dad was gonna go you and I thought my dad was gonna go you and I thought my dad was gonna go you want to do what boy want to do what boy want to do what boy he was like he was like he was like gave me something best advice ever and gave me something best advice ever and gave me something best advice ever and told me not to half-ass it and told me not to half-ass it and told me not to half-ass it and said go

said go said go in between the lines in between the lines in between the lines what he heard from me what he heard from me what he heard from me was that made him so happy as a father I was that made him so happy as a father I was that made him so happy as a father I believe and makes any parent happy believe and makes any parent happy believe and makes any parent happy is when our child doesn't ask us is when our child doesn't ask us is when our child doesn't ask us permission to go chase a dream oh yeah permission to go chase a dream oh yeah permission to go chase a dream oh yeah when they're going I'm bringing it up to when they're going I'm bringing it up to when they're going I'm bringing it up to you with full respect yeah but I'm doing you with full respect yeah but I'm doing you with full respect yeah but I'm doing this with her without you that's when a this with her without you that's when a this with her without you that's when a parent goes ah yes parent goes ah yes parent goes ah yes I've done something right enough I made I've done something right enough I made I've done something right enough I made I helped my child be secure enough in I helped my child be secure enough in I helped my child be secure enough in the pragmatics to have a foundation the pragmatics to have a foundation the pragmatics to have a foundation enough where they have the courage to go enough where they have the courage to go enough where they have the courage to go I'm flying The Nest to take the leap I'm flying The Nest to take the leap I'm flying The Nest to take the leap you wrote after my dad died I had a you wrote after my dad died I had a you wrote after my dad died I had a dream that left me with a statement less dream that left me with a statement less dream that left me with a statement less impressed more involved yeah what do impressed more involved yeah what do impressed more involved yeah what do those words mean to you we got to be more than just happy to be we got to be more than just happy to be here I'm big on gratitude but we've got to be I'm big on gratitude but we've got to be more than just thankful to be here or more than just thankful to be here or more than just thankful to be here or dream it you can do it it's got to be dream it you can do it it's got to be dream it you can do it it's got to be more than just dream it you can do it more than just dream it you can do it more than just dream it you can do it that's impressed uh the dream is still that's impressed uh the dream is still that's impressed uh the dream is still other than other than other than um um um if I'm I'm here and so impressed here and so impressed here and so impressed talking to you today talking to you today talking to you today if I have a reverence if I have a reverence if I have a reverence to an extent

I will not be able to be involved in I will not be able to be involved in this conversation this conversation this conversation I'll be too impressed I'll be I'll be too impressed I'll be I'll be too impressed I'll be anticipating anticipating anticipating oh what's that question he's gonna he's oh what's that question he's gonna he's oh what's that question he's gonna he's gonna he's gonna ask oh I think I know gonna he's gonna ask oh I think I know gonna he's gonna ask oh I think I know he's going this oh I think I know what he's going this oh I think I know what he's going this oh I think I know what Andrew he might love to hear oh I I'm Andrew he might love to hear oh I I'm Andrew he might love to hear oh I I'm not involved in conversation I'm too not involved in conversation I'm too not involved in conversation I'm too impressed impressed impressed so I'm removed so I'm removed so I'm removed from from from the present um um for me for me for me what that literally meant to me what that literally meant to me what that literally meant to me when that came to me in a dream and I when that came to me in a dream and I when that came to me in a dream and I carved it in I remember carved it in a carved it in I remember carved it in a carved it in I remember carved it in a tree it took a couple hours tree it took a couple hours tree it took a couple hours I still want to still know where that I still want to still know where that I still want to still know where that tree is Santa Monica tree is Santa Monica tree is Santa Monica it was uh um my father had moved on he it was uh um my father had moved on he it was uh um my father had moved on he left this life all of a sudden it hit me left this life all of a sudden it hit me left this life all of a sudden it hit me oh I don't have the safety net oh I don't have the safety net oh I don't have the safety net my dad was above law and above religion my dad was above law and above religion my dad was above law and above religion to me he had me he if ever really if I to me he had me he if ever really if I to me he had me he if ever really if I really was in the shit if I really really was in the shit if I really really was in the shit if I really needed him I trusted that he had my back needed him I trusted that he had my back needed him I trusted that he had my back above law above anything above law above anything above law above anything Allison he's gone Allison he's gone Allison he's gone I'm going I'm going I'm going okay it hit me how much I've been okay it hit me how much I've been okay it hit me how much I've been pretending to be the young man pretending to be the young man pretending to be the young man I was trying to be and not actually put I was trying to be and not actually put I was trying to be and not actually put my ass on the line and have enough my ass on the line and have enough my ass on the line and have enough courage to take risk and actually own up courage to take risk and actually own up courage to take risk and actually own up to the man that he was trying to that he to the man that he was trying to that he to the man that he was trying to that he was teaching me to be was teaching me to be was teaching me to be and I remember and I remember and I remember the world got flat that cloud that Mr Mayor that I saw that cloud that Mr Mayor that I saw there was not way up there it was

there was not way up there it was there was not way up there it was it was fog in front of me now it was fog in front of me now it was fog in front of me now and let's go into it it was and let's go into it it was and let's go into it it was I kept I kept I kept I'd say I probably gained even more I'd say I probably gained even more I'd say I probably gained even more respect respect respect for people and things for people and things for people and things but I lost a certain amount of reverence but I lost a certain amount of reverence but I lost a certain amount of reverence that was keeping me from feeling like I that was keeping me from feeling like I that was keeping me from feeling like I deserved or I'd earned things or or deserved or I'd earned things or or deserved or I'd earned things or or looking out for myself looking out for myself looking out for myself or hold myself task or hold myself task or hold myself task um um um and I remember all the things that I and and I remember all the things that I and and I remember all the things that I and I was just getting going to Hollywood I was just getting going to Hollywood I was just getting going to Hollywood the time so I was getting Fame was out the time so I was getting Fame was out the time so I was getting Fame was out there there there as one of those clouds as one of those clouds as one of those clouds you know with being an actor and all of you know with being an actor and all of you know with being an actor and all of a sudden celebrity and becoming famous a sudden celebrity and becoming famous a sudden celebrity and becoming famous the reverence I had the reverence I had the reverence I had I remember it just I remember it just I remember it just it lowered down to eye level it lowered down to eye level it lowered down to eye level and I was able to realize it and go and I was able to realize it and go and I was able to realize it and go that's not a that's not fairy dust and that's not a that's not fairy dust and that's not a that's not fairy dust and don't give it so much credit to make it don't give it so much credit to make it don't give it so much credit to make it fairy dust fairy dust fairy dust like oh I not me no I could never no like oh I not me no I could never no like oh I not me no I could never no look that in the eye with full respect look that in the eye with full respect look that in the eye with full respect but less reverence at the same time but less reverence at the same time but less reverence at the same time equidistant almost equal sublimation a equidistant almost equal sublimation a equidistant almost equal sublimation a notice where I had been notice where I had been notice where I had been condescending people and things and condescending people and things and condescending people and things and patronizing and sloughing put things off patronizing and sloughing put things off patronizing and sloughing put things off as like less than me and not worthy of as like less than me and not worthy of as like less than me and not worthy of my time it raised up to eye level and so my time it raised up to eye level and so my time it raised up to eye level and so they were all flat in front of me and they were all flat in front of me and they were all flat in front of me and the world was flat and I was able to

the world was flat and I was able to the world was flat and I was able to shoulders went back my heart rose up my shoulders went back my heart rose up my shoulders went back my heart rose up my chin lifted up I looked the world looked chin lifted up I looked the world looked chin lifted up I looked the world looked things in the eye I became probably less things in the eye I became probably less things in the eye I became probably less sentimental sentimental sentimental hopefully not to a level that I got hopefully not to a level that I got hopefully not to a level that I got callous but I know it became less callous but I know it became less callous but I know it became less sentimental sentimental sentimental um um um I became more courageous I became more courageous I became more courageous because because because you know when you have someone pass in you know when you have someone pass in you know when you have someone pass in your life or maybe it's similar to a situation or maybe it's similar to a situation you're going on in your own life with you're going on in your own life with you're going on in your own life with your Homeland you you sober up your Homeland you you sober up your Homeland you you sober up on these mendacities that we deal with on these mendacities that we deal with on these mendacities that we deal with every day and this this bullshit that we every day and this this bullshit that we every day and this this bullshit that we that we that we we oh we give too much that we that we we oh we give too much that we that we we oh we give too much credits or too much significance to and credits or too much significance to and credits or too much significance to and you're like what am I doing you're like what am I doing you're like what am I doing why am I I'm not even gonna let myself why am I I'm not even gonna let myself why am I I'm not even gonna let myself emotionally get brought down or over emotionally get brought down or over emotionally get brought down or over related by this situation because I'm related by this situation because I'm related by this situation because I'm this is it it doesn't really matter in this is it it doesn't really matter in this is it it doesn't really matter in the big scheme the big scheme the big scheme and so we we certain things that I I and so we we certain things that I I and so we we certain things that I I found reverence for and and hesitated found reverence for and and hesitated found reverence for and and hesitated from in my life from in my life from in my life I was now engaging with because I was I was now engaging with because I was I was now engaging with because I was like oh it's live this live is live like oh it's live this live is live like oh it's live this live is live let's look at the eye and and go forward let's look at the eye and and go forward let's look at the eye and and go forward through it and deal with the through it and deal with the through it and deal with the consequences consequences consequences what do you make of death does this what do you make of death does this what do you make of death does this scare you I'm not looking forward to it but it I'm not looking forward to it but it does not scare me does not scare me does not scare me do you think about it do you think about it do you think about it do you visualize it do you visualize it do you visualize it I do

I do I do I do and I do and I do and it's a beautiful visualization and a it's a beautiful visualization and a it's a beautiful visualization and a beautiful dream when I go as part of the beautiful dream when I go as part of the beautiful dream when I go as part of the food chain food chain food chain it's not a good visualization when I go it's not a good visualization when I go it's not a good visualization when I go as as as part of a random act of violence in the part of a random act of violence in the part of a random act of violence in the freaking drive-by or something because freaking drive-by or something because freaking drive-by or something because the second the second the second the act the accident it it breaks a story that I believe has breaks a story that I believe has breaks a story that I believe has already been written already been written already been written at least I don't have the capacity yet at least I don't have the capacity yet at least I don't have the capacity yet to to put it into a a a a a story a to to put it into a a a a a story a to to put it into a a a a a story a Divine story Divine story Divine story of the lives that we we live of the lives that we we live of the lives that we we live and so there's something ugly and gross and so there's something ugly and gross and so there's something ugly and gross about it and it happens all the time uh you know and it happens all the time uh you know to to people all the time I just feel to to people all the time I just feel to to people all the time I just feel like when it's part of the food chain like when it's part of the food chain like when it's part of the food chain when I go as part of the food Jam I'm when I go as part of the food Jam I'm when I go as part of the food Jam I'm like Ah that's poetry part of the flow like Ah that's poetry part of the flow like Ah that's poetry part of the flow of nature you return to Nature of nature you return to Nature of nature you return to Nature yeah there's Grace and poetry in that do you miss your father thank you do you miss your father thank you take a bottom when I think about him I do now when do when I think about him I do now when do I think about him I think about him I think about him thought about him yesterday thought about him yesterday thought about him yesterday working through a script I'm working on working through a script I'm working on working through a script I'm working on right now working on scene work

right now working on scene work right now working on scene work and I just had that quick little and I just had that quick little and I just had that quick little reaction of reaction of reaction of wanting to show him hey check to see that's right and then I that's right and then I I don't get sad I go yeah he would have I don't get sad I go yeah he would have I don't get sad I go yeah he would have loved he would have loved this loved he would have loved this loved he would have loved this where's my mom where's my mom where's my mom wants to be on the stage my dad would wants to be on the stage my dad would wants to be on the stage my dad would have been on the front row have been on the front row have been on the front row he's more fun to show stuff too yeah and he's more fun to show stuff too yeah and he's more fun to show stuff too yeah and he would have you know as as what he he would have you know as as what he he would have you know as as what he would we would have he knew he was a would we would have he knew he was a would we would have he knew he was a character he knew characters I've based character he knew characters I've based character he knew characters I've based parts of all kinds of characters I've parts of all kinds of characters I've parts of all kinds of characters I've played in them and the man that that I played in them and the man that that I played in them and the man that that I am on people that he introduced me too am on people that he introduced me too am on people that he introduced me too and who he was and who he was and who he was um he would have loved the creative um he would have loved the creative um he would have loved the creative process of working on a script or process of working on a script or process of working on a script or talking about hey movie do I always say talking about hey movie do I always say talking about hey movie do I always say I love the movie Mud I love the movie Mud I love the movie Mud because it's the one that I I visualized because it's the one that I I visualized because it's the one that I I visualized and seen my dad come to me so many times and seen my dad come to me so many times and seen my dad come to me so many times as a 12 year old and put his arm around as a 12 year old and put his arm around as a 12 year old and put his arm around and go hey little buddy you see this and go hey little buddy you see this and go hey little buddy you see this movie called Mud God damn it it's a good movie called Mud God damn it it's a good movie called Mud God damn it it's a good one let's go watch it one let's go watch it one let's go watch it that now my dad was never got to see me that now my dad was never got to see me that now my dad was never got to see me start a career in film but he was alive start a career in film but he was alive start a career in film but he was alive five days five days five days into the over he overlapped the first into the over he overlapped the first into the over he overlapped the first five days of me working on my first film five days of me working on my first film five days of me working on my first film days confused now that I think is days confused now that I think is days confused now that I think is There's Something Beautiful about that There's Something Beautiful about that There's Something Beautiful about that he didn't never ever come to the set we he didn't never ever come to the set we he didn't never ever come to the set we didn't talk about it but he was alive

didn't talk about it but he was alive didn't talk about it but he was alive for me to start something that was more for me to start something that was more for me to start something that was more than uh than uh than uh uh more than a fad that was something uh more than a fad that was something uh more than a fad that was something that would become something that I love that would become something that I love that would become something that I love to do and I do miss to do and I do miss to do and I do miss not him you know and then I go out of not him you know and then I go out of not him you know and then I go out of that do I I I we talked about him two that do I I I we talked about him two that do I I I we talked about him two nights ago with our with our daughter I was I was with our with our daughter I was I was rubbing my daughter's feet rubbing my daughter's feet rubbing my daughter's feet and my mom is living with this 91 comes and my mom is living with this 91 comes and my mom is living with this 91 comes in and goes oh look at you just like in and goes oh look at you just like in and goes oh look at you just like your pop your pop your pop he was like what he goes oh because my he was like what he goes oh because my he was like what he goes oh because my dad loved her dad loved her dad loved her rub somebody's feet rub my mom's feet rub somebody's feet rub my mom's feet rub somebody's feet rub my mom's feet rubbed all rubbed all rubbed all of me and my brother's girlfriend's feet of me and my brother's girlfriend's feet of me and my brother's girlfriend's feet when we would have a date yeah when we would have a date yeah when we would have a date yeah they would come over early they would come over early they would come over early because they knew they were going to get because they knew they were going to get because they knew they were going to get a foot rub from Jim McConaughey and then a foot rub from Jim McConaughey and then a foot rub from Jim McConaughey and then we'd come out me and Matilda Brothers on we'd come out me and Matilda Brothers on we'd come out me and Matilda Brothers on this has been on for decades we come out this has been on for decades we come out this has been on for decades we come out y'all ready to go buttoned up and y'all ready to go buttoned up and y'all ready to go buttoned up and they're looking like a hot we ain't they're looking like a hot we ain't they're looking like a hot we ain't going anywhere right now going anywhere right now going anywhere right now and so we told the story you know to my and so we told the story you know to my and so we told the story you know to my to my daughter and I was like oh yeah my to my daughter and I was like oh yeah my to my daughter and I was like oh yeah my dad's his hands and miss his hand his dad's his hands and miss his hand his dad's his hands and miss his hand his hands could heal so you carry him in you hands could heal so you carry him in you hands could heal so you carry him in you I hope so for me and I suppose it's like this for

for me and I suppose it's like this for any any any son how much do we hang on to how much do we hang on to and how much do we let go and how much do we let go and how much do we let go involve and update the OS and and and involve and update the OS and and and involve and update the OS and and and and and and try it maybe better or and and and try it maybe better or and and and try it maybe better or different different different you know you know you know it's that there's certain things that I it's that there's certain things that I it's that there's certain things that I know that I fully believe in it's like know that I fully believe in it's like know that I fully believe in it's like when do we religious when do we Cast when do we religious when do we Cast when do we religious when do we Cast Away Our Father Away Our Father Away Our Father you know when do we say no I'm going you know when do we say no I'm going you know when do we say no I'm going after the dream I'm not asking your after the dream I'm not asking your after the dream I'm not asking your permission question that from time to time for question that from time to time for myself because I and it almost feels myself because I and it almost feels myself because I and it almost feels blasphemic if that's a word sometimes I blasphemic if that's a word sometimes I blasphemic if that's a word sometimes I feel like you can't what are you doing feel like you can't what are you doing feel like you can't what are you doing you can't check that and go like well no you can't check that and go like well no you can't check that and go like well no I'm not sure if I want it really I'm not sure if I want it really I'm not sure if I want it really and then I immediately kind of let and then I immediately kind of let and then I immediately kind of let myself off because I believe where he is myself off because I believe where he is myself off because I believe where he is he's going he's going he's going go but yeah go you're free man yeah go but yeah go you're free man yeah go but yeah go you're free man yeah you're not I'm not not the only one I'm you're not I'm not not the only one I'm you're not I'm not not the only one I'm not gonna hold you back if you've not gonna hold you back if you've not gonna hold you back if you've misread that or I didn't teach you that misread that or I didn't teach you that misread that or I didn't teach you that as well as maybe I wish I could have go as well as maybe I wish I could have go as well as maybe I wish I could have go you're free you're free you're free you're not gonna lose trust that you're you're not gonna lose trust that you're you're not gonna lose trust that you're not gonna lose it's in your DNA it's in not gonna lose it's in your DNA it's in not gonna lose it's in your DNA it's in your lineage young man your lineage young man your lineage young man still it's scary to not have a safety still it's scary to not have a safety still it's scary to not have a safety net losing your father is scary in that net losing your father is scary in that net losing your father is scary in that way you realize this world is just you way you realize this world is just you way you realize this world is just you and some deep fundamental way it's just

and some deep fundamental way it's just and some deep fundamental way it's just you you you yeah you're alone yeah you're alone yeah you're alone yes it's such a gift of Deliverance though it's such a gift of Deliverance though as well as well as well because it's a because it's a because it's a I think it's an I mean I think it's an I mean I think it's an I mean it's an awesome feeling to know it's an awesome feeling to know it's an awesome feeling to know to know we're alone to know we don't to know we're alone to know we don't to know we're alone to know we don't have that to know you don't have to take have that to know you don't have to take have that to know you don't have to take two two two or take three that it's one take I mean or take three that it's one take I mean or take three that it's one take I mean the peripheral vision the peripheral vision the peripheral vision improves improves improves you know the the the the the link and understanding with our past link and understanding with our past improves because I know for me I was not improves because I know for me I was not improves because I know for me I was not ever considerate of my past at all ever considerate of my past at all ever considerate of my past at all because that my dad had that because that my dad had that because that my dad had that if I needed it he was my will for that if I needed it he was my will for that if I needed it he was my will for that well he's gone you know except he had well he's gone you know except he had well he's gone you know except he had the literally had they have our back the literally had they have our back the literally had they have our back well and then when they longer have our well and then when they longer have our well and then when they longer have our back also I'm going like oh maybe I need back also I'm going like oh maybe I need back also I'm going like oh maybe I need to look back and start giving some to look back and start giving some to look back and start giving some credit to how I got here credit to how I got here credit to how I got here what I'm doing and where I'm heading it what I'm doing and where I'm heading it what I'm doing and where I'm heading it gave me the first time courage to even gave me the first time courage to even gave me the first time courage to even look over my shoulder look over my shoulder look over my shoulder because again I didn't have to because I because again I didn't have to because I because again I didn't have to because I don't have to look dad's got my back no don't have to look dad's got my back no don't have to look dad's got my back no dad's gone dad's gone dad's gone from this life he doesn't have your back

okay okay so I mean so I mean so I mean I don't know me because I don't know me because I don't know me because it's inevitable I all right in the in the pain the loss all right in the in the pain the loss and yes and yes and yes even lonelyness which is different from even lonelyness which is different from even lonelyness which is different from being alone being alone being alone and loss pretty immediately part and parcel with pretty immediately part and parcel with the pain I felt it the pain I felt it the pain I felt it in the pain you saw the gift the the red in the pain you saw the gift the the red in the pain you saw the gift the the red light of losing your light of losing your light of losing your losing your father pretty immediately losing your father pretty immediately losing your father pretty immediately less impressed more involved I came like less impressed more involved I came like less impressed more involved I came like a couple weeks a couple weeks a couple weeks after moving on after moving on after moving on is there a trick to that to see the gift is there a trick to that to see the gift is there a trick to that to see the gift and the pain that's a good question is and the pain that's a good question is and the pain that's a good question is is there a trick to it is there a trick to it is there a trick to it not that I know of not that I know of not that I know of I mean I don't I mean I don't I mean I don't I have to I I I have to I I I have to I I have to catch myself from trying to intellectualize my way into trying to intellectualize my way into the reasoning and not skip over real and not skip over real feelings and discomfort feelings and discomfort feelings and discomfort I mean I I did get that from my mom and I mean I I did get that from my mom and I mean I I did get that from my mom and I have to watch it that that so I have to watch it that that so I have to watch it that that so resilient that we just dust ourselves resilient that we just dust ourselves resilient that we just dust ourselves off and get up and go off and get up and go off and get up and go you want to sit in the feeling you want you want to sit in the feeling you want you want to sit in the feeling you want to feel it you want to deeply feel the to feel it you want to deeply feel the to feel it you want to deeply feel the pain I want to I want to deeply feel it pain I want to I want to deeply feel it pain I want to I want to deeply feel it I want to look at the eye and deeply I want to look at the eye and deeply I want to look at the eye and deeply feel it feel it feel it but I don't want to wallow in it yeah

um now I was raised where you skipped um now I was raised where you skipped the deeply feel and let's go the deeply feel and let's go the deeply feel and let's go and I've said it before but that will and I've said it before but that will and I've said it before but that will lead to having lead to having lead to having turned into a person who is a repeat turned into a person who is a repeat turned into a person who is a repeat offender of the same crimes because you offender of the same crimes because you offender of the same crimes because you you just get up and you don't you just get up and you don't you just get up and you don't you don't have a winter in your life you you don't have a winter in your life you you don't have a winter in your life you know what I mean you don't have either know what I mean you don't have either know what I mean you don't have either there's no introspective time you don't there's no introspective time you don't there's no introspective time you don't look over your shoulder at the end of look over your shoulder at the end of look over your shoulder at the end of the past and so you just get up and the past and so you just get up and the past and so you just get up and you're like you're like you're like all right I've I've stepped in the same all right I've I've stepped in the same all right I've I've stepped in the same pile of whatever 100 times and I'm fine pile of whatever 100 times and I'm fine pile of whatever 100 times and I'm fine I'll do it 101st doesn't hurt hell it's I'll do it 101st doesn't hurt hell it's I'll do it 101st doesn't hurt hell it's good luck well hang on a minute maybe we good luck well hang on a minute maybe we good luck well hang on a minute maybe we want to stop and go what can I learn want to stop and go what can I learn want to stop and go what can I learn from that from that from that but it it it it but it it it it but it it it it I don't know of a trick I think I think that I think that I I think I think that I think that I think our fifth there's any trick I think our fifth there's any trick I think our fifth there's any trick I would say it's just it how quickly can we admit it's just it how quickly can we admit the inevitable the inevitable the inevitable I just want to talk about in the book I just want to talk about in the book I just want to talk about in the book about because I get once you once you about because I get once you once you about because I get once you once you know it's inevitable how do we get know it's inevitable how do we get know it's inevitable how do we get relative yeah not skip it not throw it relative yeah not skip it not throw it relative yeah not skip it not throw it to the side not deny it which I'd love to the side not deny it which I'd love to the side not deny it which I'd love to talk about that here sometimes too to talk about that here sometimes too to talk about that here sometimes too about the value of denial sometimes the about the value of denial sometimes the about the value of denial sometimes the value of denial yeah value of denial yeah value of denial yeah um but how quickly do we do we once um but how quickly do we do we once um but how quickly do we do we once something's inevitable go something's inevitable go something's inevitable go okay any mind and hard time I'm spending okay any mind and hard time I'm spending okay any mind and hard time I'm spending about going no I can't believe that about going no I can't believe that about going no I can't believe that happened no did that really happen happened no did that really happen happened no did that really happen anytime we spin it trying to deny that anytime we spin it trying to deny that anytime we spin it trying to deny that what has already happened that seems to

what has already happened that seems to what has already happened that seems to me to be I'm not sure the value of that me to be I'm not sure the value of that me to be I'm not sure the value of that time time time so if any if there's any trick I would so if any if there's any trick I would so if any if there's any trick I would say once you know something's inevitable say once you know something's inevitable say once you know something's inevitable even though how painful it is or how even though how painful it is or how even though how painful it is or how awesome it is awesome it is awesome it is start getting relative with that and in start getting relative with that and in start getting relative with that and in the relativity is seeing there's a gift here and if I realize there's a gift here and if I realize that gift I'm that gift I'm that gift I'm honoring now I'm on to building up honoring now I'm on to building up honoring now I'm on to building up the beautiful passage of my father the beautiful passage of my father the beautiful passage of my father leaving this life now I'm on the march leaving this life now I'm on the march leaving this life now I'm on the march to go yes let's let the Legacy let this to go yes let's let the Legacy let this to go yes let's let the Legacy let this become omnipresent let him live through become omnipresent let him live through become omnipresent let him live through me let me become more Hamlet me let me become more Hamlet me let me become more Hamlet it's transformed yeah so what value is it's transformed yeah so what value is it's transformed yeah so what value is there then to uh denial there then to uh denial there then to uh denial any any any oh I think they're valued if you really oh I think they're valued if you really oh I think they're valued if you really commit to it commit to it commit to it laughs I get this from my mother yeah I get this from my mother yeah so it's a very pragmatic uh value coming so it's a very pragmatic uh value coming so it's a very pragmatic uh value coming up to the denial okay up to the denial okay up to the denial okay and and and and and and my mom yeah does and and and and and and my mom yeah does and and and and and and my mom yeah does it to an extent that that that that I'm it to an extent that that that that I'm it to an extent that that that that I'm like like like mom do you have any consideration or mom do you have any consideration or mom do you have any consideration or context of situations and she does this context of situations and she does this context of situations and she does this is the thing every time I go she's not a is the thing every time I go she's not a is the thing every time I go she's not a shallow woman shallow woman shallow woman but if it is not if it is something if but if it is not if it is something if but if it is not if it is something if it is something happens it is something happens it is something happens in her life that is

keeping her from going where she wants keeping her from going where she wants to go or having or a joy to go or having or a joy to go or having or a joy inner life that she does inner life that she does inner life that she does feel straight ass deny it happened feel straight ass deny it happened feel straight ass deny it happened didn't happen didn't happen didn't happen no did Mom no did Mom no did Mom we're right here I I heard you yeah what we're right here I I heard you yeah what we're right here I I heard you yeah what you said you said you said no didn't you heard something else mom no didn't you heard something else mom no didn't you heard something else mom now did she get to manage down that she's 91 did she get to manage down that she's 91 hell yes she gets some Amnesty on that hell yes she gets some Amnesty on that hell yes she gets some Amnesty on that um but I've um but I've um but I've she's not she's not she's not he had a she repeat offend yeah but it's he had a she repeat offend yeah but it's he had a she repeat offend yeah but it's it's misdemeanors it's misdemeanors it's misdemeanors you know what I mean I mean it's like we you know what I mean I mean it's like we you know what I mean I mean it's like we all it's part of that thing when you got all it's part of that thing when you got all it's part of that thing when you got a family member you're like yep that's a family member you're like yep that's a family member you're like yep that's just what they do Just go with it you just what they do Just go with it you just what they do Just go with it you know and and and it's and it's know and and and it's and it's know and and and it's and it's it's ingenious in a way it's a tool she it's ingenious in a way it's a tool she it's ingenious in a way it's a tool she does I think it is more of a trick with does I think it is more of a trick with does I think it is more of a trick with her she wouldn't even so ingrain there her she wouldn't even so ingrain there her she wouldn't even so ingrain there it's not a trick it just do it done it's not a trick it just do it done it's not a trick it just do it done and and I and I another reason I bring and and I and I another reason I bring and and I and I another reason I bring this up it's outside of just my mother this up it's outside of just my mother this up it's outside of just my mother is is is like like like I did this uh I did this uh I did this uh uh uh uh road trip course in this Art of Living road trip course in this Art of Living road trip course in this Art of Living event a few weeks ago event a few weeks ago event a few weeks ago yeah yeah yeah out of hundreds of thousands of out of hundreds of thousands of out of hundreds of thousands of chats that came in and responses that chats that came in and responses that chats that came in and responses that came in afterwards it seemed to me that came in afterwards it seemed to me that came in afterwards it seemed to me that about 80 percent of people's challenges about 80 percent of people's challenges about 80 percent of people's challenges and problems even in their life were

and problems even in their life were and problems even in their life were something in the past that they were something in the past that they were something in the past that they were hung up on hung up on hung up on that they could not seem to get past and that they could not seem to get past and that they could not seem to get past and it was it was holding them from going it was it was holding them from going it was it was holding them from going where they wanted to in their future and where they wanted to in their future and where they wanted to in their future and so so so I thought that was revealing I would I thought that was revealing I would I thought that was revealing I would have thought I I would have thought that have thought I I would have thought that have thought I I would have thought that was I don't know going in 40 it was was I don't know going in 40 it was was I don't know going in 40 it was eight it seemed to be 80 percent yeah eight it seemed to be 80 percent yeah eight it seemed to be 80 percent yeah and then I thought about okay if you're here in the live show and you if you're here in the live show and you want to get the course you're into some want to get the course you're into some want to get the course you're into some sort of therapy or sort of therapy or sort of therapy or education or development or something education or development or something education or development or something whatever okay and I have a lot of and I have a lot of friends and I know a lot of people that friends and I know a lot of people that friends and I know a lot of people that earn weekly and daily earn weekly and daily earn weekly and daily therapy therapy therapy and then I know there's a lot of people and then I know there's a lot of people and then I know there's a lot of people that are on prescriptions that are on prescriptions that are on prescriptions drugs drugs drugs and while the therapy and while the therapy and while the therapy and the right prescription to the right and the right prescription to the right and the right prescription to the right person for the right person for the right person for the right uh diagnosis is necessary I I'm uh diagnosis is necessary I I'm uh diagnosis is necessary I I'm questioning questioning questioning is there a value to going is there a value to going is there a value to going if you're not getting past this today if you're not getting past this today if you're not getting past this today this week this month this year almost in this week this month this year almost in this week this month this year almost in a decade goes by and you're still hung a decade goes by and you're still hung a decade goes by and you're still hung up and you can't get rid of that thing up and you can't get rid of that thing up and you can't get rid of that thing and your memory where we and your memory where we and your memory where we and you it's got you paralyzed and and you it's got you paralyzed and and you it's got you paralyzed and you're you're a victim of it is there you're you're a victim of it is there you're you're a victim of it is there and you're doing the therapy and you're and you're doing the therapy and you're and you're doing the therapy and you're doing the work and you're taking a doing the work and you're taking a doing the work and you're taking a prescription if that's what you're prescription if that's what you're prescription if that's what you're taking where does your is there a value taking where does your is there a value taking where does your is there a value in going

in going in going if it's holding you back from going if it's holding you back from going if it's holding you back from going where you want to go maybe you should where you want to go maybe you should where you want to go maybe you should just deny the fucking thing ever fucking just deny the fucking thing ever fucking just deny the fucking thing ever fucking happen Kick It In The Head kick it off happen Kick It In The Head kick it off happen Kick It In The Head kick it off the curb the curb the curb I'm done with you I'm done with you I'm done with you I'm sick of you I'm tired of hanging out I'm sick of you I'm tired of hanging out I'm sick of you I'm tired of hanging out with you I'm tired of that thing with you I'm tired of that thing with you I'm tired of that thing whatever it is hold me back from going whatever it is hold me back from going whatever it is hold me back from going where I want to go so if I if I can't where I want to go so if I if I can't where I want to go so if I if I can't wax the car wax the car wax the car you know and and and get past this thing you know and and and get past this thing you know and and and get past this thing just just just kick it that's so powerful so kick it that's so powerful so kick it that's so powerful so one thing to do like with the loss of one thing to do like with the loss of one thing to do like with the loss of your father is to try to transform it to your father is to try to transform it to your father is to try to transform it to discover the gift in it the gift and the discover the gift in it the gift and the discover the gift in it the gift and the pain but if you can't keep looking keep pain but if you can't keep looking keep pain but if you can't keep looking keep looking you can't find the gift and the looking you can't find the gift and the looking you can't find the gift and the pain just deny it ever happened pain just deny it ever happened pain just deny it ever happened you could call that a trick you could call that a trick you could call that a trick but I think it's more than a trick but I think it's more than a trick but I think it's more than a trick because let me say this my mom after my father died went on and my mom after my father died went on and found found found a second love of her life for seven 19 years they were together for seven 19 years they were together CJ karlick CJ karlick CJ karlick love you buddy he's moved on now did she check with us a little bit did she check with us a little bit like is this okay like is this okay like is this okay she gave us a little lingering half a she gave us a little lingering half a she gave us a little lingering half a second look that we knew that maybe was second look that we knew that maybe was second look that we knew that maybe was what she was asking and we came to it what she was asking and we came to it what she was asking and we came to it was like yes it's okay and you know who was like yes it's okay and you know who was like yes it's okay and you know who else is saying it's okay who's dancing else is saying it's okay who's dancing else is saying it's okay who's dancing up there for you Dad so

so was that her denying that the man she was divorced from twice that the man she was divorced from twice and married two three times and had and married two three times and had and married two three times and had three children with three children with three children with had moved on no had moved on no had moved on no but she didn't say I'm not you know but she didn't say I'm not you know but she didn't say I'm not you know well what's the book on how long I'm well what's the book on how long I'm well what's the book on how long I'm supposed to say single before I can be supposed to say single before I can be supposed to say single before I can be interested in another you know there's interested in another you know there's interested in another you know there's not a book on these things not a book on these things not a book on these things how do you feel is loving is is loving how do you feel is loving is is loving how do you feel is loving is is loving CJ mean you love Dad less no is finding a new life and a new dance is finding a new life and a new dance partner in this life and CJ mean that partner in this life and CJ mean that partner in this life and CJ mean that Dad wasn't your dance partner Dad wasn't your dance partner Dad wasn't your dance partner the dad wasn't the love of your life so I don't know I mean so I don't know I mean in there maybe you know maybe there's in there maybe you know maybe there's in there maybe you know maybe there's another word I think it's denial but another word I think it's denial but another word I think it's denial but it's not really denial because it's not it's not really denial because it's not it's not really denial because it's not like it didn't happen that's a like it didn't happen that's a like it didn't happen that's a earlier example I was giving a mom she earlier example I was giving a mom she earlier example I was giving a mom she will absolutely go will absolutely go will absolutely go that light's not on Mom the lights on we that light's not on Mom the lights on we that light's not on Mom the lights on we just that light's not on if I say it's just that light's not on if I say it's just that light's not on if I say it's not on sometimes you're just like that not on sometimes you're just like that not on sometimes you're just like that makes no sense you just absolutely makes no sense you just absolutely makes no sense you just absolutely denying what just happened we even have denying what just happened we even have denying what just happened we even have it recorded and she'll go well the it recorded and she'll go well the it recorded and she'll go well the recording's line yeah I mean is that's recording's line yeah I mean is that's recording's line yeah I mean is that's part of a coping deal with her but I part of a coping deal with her but I part of a coping deal with her but I mean what I think is more important or mean what I think is more important or mean what I think is more important or more valuable is to talk about this more valuable is to talk about this more valuable is to talk about this she didn't deny my dad I didn't

I didn't but she sure as hell Turn the Page but she sure as hell Turn the Page but she sure as hell Turn the Page and said I can still start a whole new and said I can still start a whole new and said I can still start a whole new category a new life a new love let my category a new life a new love let my category a new life a new love let my let my heart love and be loved by let my heart love and be loved by let my heart love and be loved by someone living someone living someone living in this life today that I'm still living in this life today that I'm still living in this life today that I'm still living in in in and that will not trespass on my love and that will not trespass on my love and that will not trespass on my love for my husband your father Jim for my husband your father Jim for my husband your father Jim McConaughey and I think I I mean we were McConaughey and I think I I mean we were McConaughey and I think I I mean we were just just just thought that's beautiful yes Mom go talk thought that's beautiful yes Mom go talk thought that's beautiful yes Mom go talk about green like go can't have one or the it can't have them can't have one or the it can't have them both both both gotta have one or the other now we start gotta have one or the other now we start gotta have one or the other now we start to make a contradiction of the two ideas to make a contradiction of the two ideas to make a contradiction of the two ideas again which Dawn our contradictions get again which Dawn our contradictions get again which Dawn our contradictions get us in trouble all the time man that's us in trouble all the time man that's us in trouble all the time man that's life though the contradictions right life though the contradictions right life though the contradictions right but is it life if if we just admit the but is it life if if we just admit the but is it life if if we just admit the contradictions or so much don't they contradictions or so much don't they contradictions or so much don't they become a paradox become a paradox become a paradox would admit that that's part of it yeah would admit that that's part of it yeah would admit that that's part of it yeah if if contradictions are inevitable they if if contradictions are inevitable they if if contradictions are inevitable they essentially they do become a paradox essentially they do become a paradox essentially they do become a paradox don't they don't they don't they then where in the Honeywell then where in the Honeywell then where in the Honeywell then we're sinking and dancing then we're sinking and dancing then we're sinking and dancing and have and have and have leniency with ourself while still leniency with ourself while still leniency with ourself while still holding our self to task and it's it's holding our self to task and it's it's holding our self to task and it's it's I think it's holding on to no each I think it's holding on to no each I think it's holding on to no each contradiction oh here it is again so contradiction oh here it is again so contradiction oh here it is again so it's a one-off it lives on its own it's a one-off it lives on its own it's a one-off it lives on its own separate from the last one no it doesn't

separate from the last one no it doesn't separate from the last one no it doesn't they're connected that's why they are they're connected that's why they are they're connected that's why they are Paradox and then that's I think that's a Paradox and then that's I think that's a Paradox and then that's I think that's a much much much I think that's where life really is I think that's where life really is I think that's where life really is in the Paradox yes in the dance of it uh in the Paradox yes in the dance of it uh in the Paradox yes in the dance of it uh I think the metaphor of red yellow green I think the metaphor of red yellow green I think the metaphor of red yellow green lights is just so simple and so powerful lights is just so simple and so powerful lights is just so simple and so powerful you write about some green lights being you write about some green lights being you write about some green lights being engineered and some being mystical engineered and some being mystical engineered and some being mystical which I love the difference of that which I love the difference of that which I love the difference of that what's the difference of the engineered what's the difference of the engineered what's the difference of the engineered green lights and the mystical such a green lights and the mystical such a green lights and the mystical such a cool word mystical yeah well the cool word mystical yeah well the cool word mystical yeah well the engineered ones have reason and the engineered ones have reason and the engineered ones have reason and the mystical ones have rhyme mystical ones have rhyme mystical ones have rhyme yeah you know Life's a mystery going yeah you know Life's a mystery going yeah you know Life's a mystery going forward but it's a science looking back forward but it's a science looking back forward but it's a science looking back I prepared I've had ideas written I prepared I've had ideas written I prepared I've had ideas written headlines and had goals and headlines and had goals and headlines and had goals and athlete gets in shape for an event and I athlete gets in shape for an event and I athlete gets in shape for an event and I get in shape for a role I read I study I get in shape for a role I read I study I get in shape for a role I read I study I work I prepare work I prepare work I prepare and I go and I'm prepared and I behave and I go and I'm prepared and I behave and I go and I'm prepared and I behave and I do it and I do it and I do it and I look at I go yes and I look at I go yes and I look at I go yes that's what I wanted to do that's what I wanted to do that's what I wanted to do it's engineered green light it's engineered green light it's engineered green light it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's a it's a it's a conscious delayed a it's a it's a conscious delayed a it's a it's a conscious delayed gratification gratification gratification it's that if I do it today it's that if I do it today it's that if I do it today that pragmatic head down that pragmatic head down that pragmatic head down believe there's no Cloud out there but believe there's no Cloud out there but believe there's no Cloud out there but then I trust that there is one out there then I trust that there is one out there then I trust that there is one out there if I do keep my head down to do it I'll if I do keep my head down to do it I'll if I do keep my head down to do it I'll get that to that dream

get that to that dream get that to that dream we can engineer those have it we can engineer those have it we can engineer those have it work ethic prep expertise education work ethic prep expertise education work ethic prep expertise education and the mystical ones though and the mystical ones though and the mystical ones though don't make any sense they're not don't make any sense they're not don't make any sense they're not supposed to make sense they only make supposed to make sense they only make supposed to make sense they only make sense after sense after sense after right when they happen you backlog and right when they happen you backlog and right when they happen you backlog and you connect the dots with how they got you connect the dots with how they got you connect the dots with how they got there that that that that that red light there that that that that that red light there that that that that that red light you ran into that made you 30 seconds you ran into that made you 30 seconds you ran into that made you 30 seconds later to later to later to get to the restaurant get to the restaurant get to the restaurant as you walked in she walked out as you walked in she walked out as you walked in she walked out and he went good morning and she went and he went good morning and she went and he went good morning and she went good morning good morning good morning and yeah and yeah and yeah too much later you're dating too much later you're dating too much later you're dating two years later you're married two years later you're married two years later you're married you after that you've got a family and you after that you've got a family and you after that you've got a family and now you're sitting here 40 years later now you're sitting here 40 years later now you're sitting here 40 years later going going going I love you look at what we've built I love you look at what we've built I love you look at what we've built and you go back and go what if I wouldn't hit that red light what if I wouldn't hit that red light those 30 seconds you know made all the those 30 seconds you know made all the those 30 seconds you know made all the difference and so strange that this life difference and so strange that this life difference and so strange that this life is this way yeah and that's just rhyme I is this way yeah and that's just rhyme I is this way yeah and that's just rhyme I mean we can't really add that up yeah mean we can't really add that up yeah mean we can't really add that up yeah it's a science when you look back you it's a science when you look back you it's a science when you look back you you see you know why it was that you see you know why it was that you see you know why it was that you were you were you were you were upset and you were upset and you were upset and ticked off that you had to pick up the ticked off that you had to pick up the ticked off that you had to pick up the kids toys before you left and they were kids toys before you left and they were kids toys before you left and they were supposed to pick them up and therefore supposed to pick them up and therefore supposed to pick them up and therefore you were late for the thing that made you were late for the thing that made you were late for the thing that made you ran into and you and you ran into

you ran into and you and you ran into you ran into and you and you ran into the person that was walking in the the person that was walking in the the person that was walking in the office that the guy that you did the office that the guy that you did the office that the guy that you did the interview that's the guy you were interview that's the guy you were interview that's the guy you were looking for the job you wanted and you looking for the job you wanted and you looking for the job you wanted and you caught him because you were in the caught him because you were in the caught him because you were in the elevator with him and that 90 seconds on elevator with him and that 90 seconds on elevator with him and that 90 seconds on that elevator what got you that job that that elevator what got you that job that that elevator what got you that job that led you let you do what you want to do I led you let you do what you want to do I led you let you do what you want to do I mean mean mean you the significance is there but we you the significance is there but we you the significance is there but we have to I think what we also got to have to I think what we also got to have to I think what we also got to watch is again in that balance watch is again in that balance watch is again in that balance what do we change because do we've just what do we change because do we've just what do we change because do we've just changed the engineering we miss magic if changed the engineering we miss magic if changed the engineering we miss magic if we just chase the mystical we just chase the mystical we just chase the mystical we find ourselves caught up in trying to we find ourselves caught up in trying to we find ourselves caught up in trying to give meaning to the Lego set that was on give meaning to the Lego set that was on give meaning to the Lego set that was on the floor that the kids didn't pick up the floor that the kids didn't pick up the floor that the kids didn't pick up that and what color was it and and why that and what color was it and and why that and what color was it and and why did I walk out that that door and see did I walk out that that door and see did I walk out that that door and see almost up on the Legos but if I'd gone almost up on the Legos but if I'd gone almost up on the Legos but if I'd gone out the other door I used to go out of I out the other door I used to go out of I out the other door I used to go out of I would have gone there I would have got would have gone there I would have got would have gone there I would have got there early and wouldn't run into the there early and wouldn't run into the there early and wouldn't run into the the boss and the the so you can start to the boss and the the so you can start to the boss and the the so you can start to give too much give too much give too much meaning on that as well I think we can meaning on that as well I think we can meaning on that as well I think we can give significance in too many places and give significance in too many places and give significance in too many places and all of a sudden all of a sudden all of a sudden I think we've all been there where I think we've all been there where I think we've all been there where you're seeing art in every single thing you're seeing art in every single thing you're seeing art in every single thing oh man that can be paralyzing oh man that can be paralyzing oh man that can be paralyzing it's like it's hard to leave a room it's like it's hard to leave a room it's like it's hard to leave a room if everything's significant you know or if everything's significant you know or if everything's significant you know or if everything's a sign if everything's a sign if everything's a sign how much of success in life do you think how much of success in life do you think how much of success in life do you think is uh engineered and how much is is uh engineered and how much is is uh engineered and how much is Mystical I and how much does it differ Mystical I and how much does it differ Mystical I and how much does it differ from person to person because I for me from person to person because I for me from person to person because I for me personally maybe I enjoy it maybe I'm personally maybe I enjoy it maybe I'm personally maybe I enjoy it maybe I'm genetically built that way but I exist genetically built that way but I exist genetically built that way but I exist more in the mystical so I don't make more in the mystical so I don't make more in the mystical so I don't make plans I travel last summer in Ukraine

plans I travel last summer in Ukraine plans I travel last summer in Ukraine with no plan I just went there no plan with no plan I just went there no plan with no plan I just went there no plan I didn't know how I'm going to meet the I didn't know how I'm going to meet the I didn't know how I'm going to meet the president of the country I didn't know president of the country I didn't know president of the country I didn't know anybody and so anybody and so anybody and so there's no plan there's no clear thing there's no plan there's no clear thing there's no plan there's no clear thing you're just roaming around and that's you're just roaming around and that's you're just roaming around and that's how I've existed in life and it there's how I've existed in life and it there's how I've existed in life and it there's something about giving yourself over to something about giving yourself over to something about giving yourself over to the flow of nature that I just enjoy it the flow of nature that I just enjoy it the flow of nature that I just enjoy it makes life so much fun makes life so much fun makes life so much fun it's it's it's awesome when you can do it did you awesome when you can do it did you awesome when you can do it did you engineer though I'm going to put myself engineer though I'm going to put myself engineer though I'm going to put myself in the place when you got on the plane in the place when you got on the plane in the place when you got on the plane to go to the destination that was an to go to the destination that was an to go to the destination that was an engineered choice and maybe I'll meet and I'll run into and maybe I'll meet and I'll run into and I can and I can and I can work up a sit down with work up a sit down with work up a sit down with so the engineering Choice was putting so the engineering Choice was putting so the engineering Choice was putting your shoes on proverbially get you know your shoes on proverbially get you know your shoes on proverbially get you know I always say this the hardest part about I always say this the hardest part about I always say this the hardest part about going to gyms putting your shoes on going to gyms putting your shoes on going to gyms putting your shoes on right so to getting on the plane that right so to getting on the plane that right so to getting on the plane that was an engineered thought with the goal was an engineered thought with the goal was an engineered thought with the goal in mind but I don't know how I'm going in mind but I don't know how I'm going in mind but I don't know how I'm going to do it to do it to do it the choice yeah putting the shoes on the choice yeah putting the shoes on the choice yeah putting the shoes on yeah yeah yeah but there's not a clear it's a fog what but there's not a clear it's a fog what but there's not a clear it's a fog what happens after the shoe is gone happens after the shoe is gone happens after the shoe is gone yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's gonna take that leap so I I wonder it's gonna take that leap so I I wonder it's gonna take that leap so I I wonder how much uh how much uh how much uh for people who are successful in this for people who are successful in this for people who are successful in this world in finding what makes them uh world in finding what makes them uh world in finding what makes them uh truly happy and fulfilled how much of it truly happy and fulfilled how much of it truly happy and fulfilled how much of it is engineer how much it is Mystical is engineer how much it is Mystical is engineer how much it is Mystical how much was it for you well I'll say

how much was it for you well I'll say how much was it for you well I'll say this like an hour at winter right this like an hour at winter right this like an hour at winter right about green lights which is basically about green lights which is basically about green lights which is basically the last 40 years of my life I thought the last 40 years of my life I thought the last 40 years of my life I thought that 85 90 of my successes were going to that 85 90 of my successes were going to that 85 90 of my successes were going to be be be obviously engineered obviously engineered obviously engineered or I could see the signs it's all the or I could see the signs it's all the or I could see the signs it's all the habits here's what I did yep that add up habits here's what I did yep that add up habits here's what I did yep that add up got the solution got the conclusion got the solution got the conclusion got the solution got the conclusion I was I was I was very surprised when I noticed it was very surprised when I noticed it was very surprised when I noticed it was probably less than 50 percent probably less than 50 percent probably less than 50 percent and that most of the real successes of and that most of the real successes of and that most of the real successes of my for when I trusted trusted the one I trusted the one I trusted the one I trusted that I didn't have to Define it that I that I didn't have to Define it that I that I didn't have to Define it that I only trusted that I didn't have to go only trusted that I didn't have to go only trusted that I didn't have to go what's the measurement what's the score what's the score what this leads to what what's next and I for me and I for me that that's still there's still a that that's still there's still a that that's still there's still a challenge for me challenge for me challenge for me daily now is to trust and not be because I can now is to trust and not be because I can be I could I think I can be overly be I could I think I can be overly be I could I think I can be overly practical practical practical and I think I can over over compensate and I think I can over over compensate and I think I can over over compensate and miss out on Magic and miss out on Magic and miss out on Magic because I'm still going going wait but do you are we given enough am I wait but do you are we given enough am I wait but do you are we given enough am I are we giving enough the measure and are we giving enough the measure and are we giving enough the measure and credit to actuality credit to actuality credit to actuality are we are am I giving enough credit to

are we are am I giving enough credit to are we are am I giving enough credit to this is this these are the steps to take this is this these are the steps to take this is this these are the steps to take and and and and and this is reality and and and and and this is reality and and and and and this is reality I I think I'm reminded I'm reminded when I when I trust because that going when I when I trust because that going when I when I trust because that going optimistic just to put yourself on the optimistic just to put yourself on the optimistic just to put yourself on the plane was the engineer for getting there plane was the engineer for getting there plane was the engineer for getting there and as you say you've seen you say you and as you say you've seen you say you and as you say you've seen you say you roll in that mystical it takes a lot of roll in that mystical it takes a lot of roll in that mystical it takes a lot of trust yeah trust yeah trust yeah trust in the inevitable Amen on that to trust in the inevitable Amen on that to trust in the inevitable Amen on that to but not knowing where it actually ends but not knowing where it actually ends but not knowing where it actually ends you it's it's a feeling more than um you it's it's a feeling more than um you it's it's a feeling more than um uh I don't think it's a Clear Vision uh I don't think it's a Clear Vision uh I don't think it's a Clear Vision right right right it's kind of like a feeling that guides it's kind of like a feeling that guides it's kind of like a feeling that guides you towards uh towards a place with with uh towards a place with with uh without a clear name without clear without a clear name without clear without a clear name without clear characteristics it just kind of pulls characteristics it just kind of pulls characteristics it just kind of pulls you there you there you there where do you get that courage and Trust where do you get that courage and Trust where do you get that courage and Trust to go with your to go with your to go with your gut your your feeling and is there and is there for instance three days later you sit for instance three days later you sit for instance three days later you sit down is there if you did if that if that down is there if you did if that if that down is there if you did if that if that doesn't happen doesn't happen doesn't happen is there a sense is there a sense is there a sense a week two weeks later now when you come a week two weeks later now when you come a week two weeks later now when you come back back back To America that like ah To America that like ah To America that like ah I failed sort of uh looking back to try to sort of uh looking back to try to analyze what went right when we're wrong analyze what went right when we're wrong analyze what went right when we're wrong that kind of thing that kind of thing that kind of thing uh yeah that engine is always there but

uh yeah that engine is always there but uh yeah that engine is always there but I think what pulls me forward in life I think what pulls me forward in life I think what pulls me forward in life what makes me really grateful and what makes me really grateful and what makes me really grateful and fulfilled is noticing the thing you fulfilled is noticing the thing you fulfilled is noticing the thing you mentioned noticing the magic mentioned noticing the magic mentioned noticing the magic and kind of going towards it and kind of going towards it and kind of going towards it sort of just sitting back um both in tragedy and then Triumph so um both in tragedy and then Triumph so in war there's a lot of tragedy but in war there's a lot of tragedy but in war there's a lot of tragedy but there's somehow there's somehow there's somehow uh one of the things you see in in war uh one of the things you see in in war uh one of the things you see in in war this is the first war I've experienced this is the first war I've experienced this is the first war I've experienced and seen seen the front and seen seen the front and seen seen the front is the loss that people lose their homes is the loss that people lose their homes is the loss that people lose their homes and all this kind of stuff and all this kind of stuff and all this kind of stuff the thing that rises from that is the the thing that rises from that is the the thing that rises from that is the love for each other love for each other love for each other so they uh the people I've spoken with so they uh the people I've spoken with so they uh the people I've spoken with don't give a damn about the home don't don't give a damn about the home don't don't give a damn about the home don't give a damn about that on farms and the give a damn about that on farms and the give a damn about that on farms and the animals they lost don't don't give a animals they lost don't don't give a animals they lost don't don't give a damn about damn about damn about um having to move and all this kind of um having to move and all this kind of um having to move and all this kind of stuff as long as the family's still stuff as long as the family's still stuff as long as the family's still there as long as the people they love there as long as the people they love there as long as the people they love are still there and it's like are still there and it's like are still there and it's like that's there's this Melancholy smile that's there's this Melancholy smile that's there's this Melancholy smile they have on their face they have on their face they have on their face like yeah this world is full of bullshit like yeah this world is full of bullshit like yeah this world is full of bullshit it's full of tragedy it's full of tragedy it's full of tragedy but life is fucking awesome and that and but life is fucking awesome and that and but life is fucking awesome and that and you just notice that in in little ways you just notice that in in little ways you just notice that in in little ways everywhere everywhere everywhere you just sit back and yeah notice the you just sit back and yeah notice the you just sit back and yeah notice the magic and then I want more of that magic and then I want more of that magic and then I want more of that and just kind of follow along with a and just kind of follow along with a and just kind of follow along with a little ant yeah little ant yeah little ant yeah keep noticing that kind of thing but uh keep noticing that kind of thing but uh keep noticing that kind of thing but uh I don't know I I hope you know what I I don't know I I hope you know what I I don't know I I hope you know what I what I think it is is other people what I think it is is other people what I think it is is other people notice that you're the kind of person notice that you're the kind of person notice that you're the kind of person that notices it uh and they're like I

that notices it uh and they're like I that notices it uh and they're like I want to hang out with that person he want to hang out with that person he want to hang out with that person he seems all right like he seems one of the seems all right like he seems one of the seems all right like he seems one of the uh one of the good ones one of the good uh one of the good ones one of the good uh one of the good ones one of the good hands do you have uh um non-negotiable structure before that non-negotiable structure before that freedom to go with the feeling freedom to go with the feeling freedom to go with the feeling I think so there's a set of principles I think so there's a set of principles I think so there's a set of principles I'll just uh basically Integrity of I'll just uh basically Integrity of I'll just uh basically Integrity of being uh good to other people being uh good to other people being uh good to other people like whatever that means for me there's like whatever that means for me there's like whatever that means for me there's specific things like I I'm really into specific things like I I'm really into specific things like I I'm really into loyalty loyalty loyalty Above the Law right there's a kind of Above the Law right there's a kind of Above the Law right there's a kind of like there's a circle of friends I have like there's a circle of friends I have like there's a circle of friends I have and that means everything and that means everything and that means everything um there's just a Basics deep kindness there's just a Basics deep kindness towards others towards others towards others uh empathy empathy towards people that uh empathy empathy towards people that uh empathy empathy towards people that other other other that others might label as that others might label as that others might label as um um um even evil even evil even evil I have that kind of empathy I believe I have that kind of empathy I believe I have that kind of empathy I believe all of us have the capacity to do good all of us have the capacity to do good all of us have the capacity to do good and evil and evil and evil so I just kind of see everybody as so I just kind of see everybody as so I just kind of see everybody as little babies that grow up in different little babies that grow up in different little babies that grow up in different conditions and conditions and conditions and so some do evil some do good so some do evil some do good so some do evil some do good and then yeah there's there's all kinds and then yeah there's there's all kinds and then yeah there's there's all kinds of other of other of other uh principles uh principles uh principles I love the dynamic between the different I love the dynamic between the different I love the dynamic between the different humans and their full diversity I love humans and their full diversity I love humans and their full diversity I love the the dynamic between the masculine the the dynamic between the masculine the the dynamic between the masculine the feminine enjoy it the dance of it

the feminine enjoy it the dance of it the feminine enjoy it the dance of it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so you you have a constitution with so you you have a constitution with so you you have a constitution with which you embark which you embark which you embark you do too chasing yes I hope so you do too chasing yes I hope so you do too chasing yes I hope so um and if yeah for me I'd like to and if yeah for me I'd like to it's inspiring to hear it's inspiring to hear it's inspiring to hear someone like yourself go I go and I just someone like yourself go I go and I just someone like yourself go I go and I just land and I just go I'm gonna feel it land and I just go I'm gonna feel it land and I just go I'm gonna feel it um I can go back and go yeah my greatest um I can go back and go yeah my greatest um I can go back and go yeah my greatest truth is I've crossed my greatest truth is I've crossed my greatest truth is I've crossed my greatest successes in my life are when successes in my life are when successes in my life are when I I I trusted that and go I took a one-way trusted that and go I took a one-way trusted that and go I took a one-way ticket ticket ticket Amazon Africa Amazon Africa Amazon Africa yeah and those were spiritual yeah and those were spiritual yeah and those were spiritual and very pragmatic because they led to and very pragmatic because they led to and very pragmatic because they led to dealing with with dealing with with dealing with with succeeding in other in other ways that succeeding in other in other ways that succeeding in other in other ways that are more pragmatic 100 and gave much are more pragmatic 100 and gave much are more pragmatic 100 and gave much more meaning more meaning more meaning to those things to those things to those things but that's that's to be able to go out and and say that's how you do you go out and and say that's how you do you have family I really want to get married have family I really want to get married have family I really want to get married and have kids but I I'm not married and and have kids but I I'm not married and and have kids but I I'm not married and don't have kids yet okay so actually one don't have kids yet okay so actually one don't have kids yet okay so actually one of the nice things about that is you can of the nice things about that is you can of the nice things about that is you can take bigger risks so while I'm not married and don't have so while I'm not married and don't have kids I feel I owe it to myself to take kids I feel I owe it to myself to take kids I feel I owe it to myself to take just to go go to the Amazon that is just to go go to the Amazon that is just to go go to the Amazon that is rather that backpack on and a one-way rather that backpack on and a one-way rather that backpack on and a one-way ticket yeah yeah because that does get ticket yeah yeah because that does get ticket yeah yeah because that does get harder to do yeah

harder to do yeah harder to do yeah um um um I missed that I missed that I missed that um um um sometimes sometimes sometimes the the the the whim the whim the whim a song that comes on you know a song that comes on you know a song that comes on you know yeah where's that guy from yeah oh yeah where's that guy from yeah oh yeah where's that guy from yeah oh they're from the place that I want to go they're from the place that I want to go they're from the place that I want to go that I had a dream about I'll go there that I had a dream about I'll go there that I had a dream about I'll go there when we take it what I got to do I'll when we take it what I got to do I'll when we take it what I got to do I'll get a couple shots okay go that that get a couple shots okay go that that get a couple shots okay go that that there's that that was that was fun I there's that that was that was fun I there's that that was that was fun I gotta do this let's get up and go you're gotta do this let's get up and go you're gotta do this let's get up and go you're free yeah and go when are you back when free yeah and go when are you back when free yeah and go when are you back when I I I when I get there yeah it's a beautiful when I get there yeah it's a beautiful when I get there yeah it's a beautiful and beautiful thing maybe never yeah and beautiful thing maybe never yeah and beautiful thing maybe never yeah yeah my yeah yeah my yeah yeah my yeah guys you'll be coming to visit me in guys you'll be coming to visit me in guys you'll be coming to visit me in this new place maybe yeah this new place maybe yeah this new place maybe yeah how did the Amazon how did the trip how did the Amazon how did the trip how did the Amazon how did the trip there change you what do you remember of there change you what do you remember of there change you what do you remember of it such a magical place symbols and talismans symbols and talismans well I was while I was there what I what well I was while I was there what I what well I was while I was there what I what I I I I remember getting there and and and I remember getting there and and and I remember getting there and and and just having so much adrenaline on the just having so much adrenaline on the just having so much adrenaline on the anticipation anticipation of getting to anticipation anticipation of getting to anticipation anticipation of getting to the Amazon in the first 10 days in the first 10 days I wasn't really enjoying the trip I was I wasn't really enjoying the trip I was I wasn't really enjoying the trip I was just charging to get to the destination

just charging to get to the destination just charging to get to the destination to get to the banks of the river that I to get to the banks of the river that I to get to the banks of the river that I had a dream about and then it just and then it just humbled me I got so fatigued humbled me I got so fatigued humbled me I got so fatigued on night whatever 12 on night whatever 12 on night whatever 12 and was so sick and tired of the and was so sick and tired of the and was so sick and tired of the internal dialogue I was having with internal dialogue I was having with internal dialogue I was having with myself myself myself I was not enjoying my company I was not enjoying my company I was not enjoying my company [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] that you know I I I I purged and I remember you know I I I I purged and I remember and then and then and then stripped off and then and then and then stripped off and then and then and then stripped off identity markers that I had sort of been identity markers that I had sort of been identity markers that I had sort of been hanging on to for like everything from hanging on to for like everything from hanging on to for like everything from you know what it means to be an American you know what it means to be an American you know what it means to be an American my Dad's ring M for McConaughey a my Dad's ring M for McConaughey a my Dad's ring M for McConaughey a meltdown of my mom and dad's class rings meltdown of my mom and dad's class rings meltdown of my mom and dad's class rings from University of Kentucky were gold from University of Kentucky were gold from University of Kentucky were gold from her teeth and and and and and his from her teeth and and and and and his from her teeth and and and and and his his class ring melted down you know put his class ring melted down you know put his class ring melted down you know put taking that off was really hard to go taking that off was really hard to go taking that off was really hard to go I'm casting Am I Casting out my father I'm casting Am I Casting out my father I'm casting Am I Casting out my father I wasn't casting them out I was just I wasn't casting them out I was just I wasn't casting them out I was just removing to say I don't have to rely on removing to say I don't have to rely on removing to say I don't have to rely on that being all of my identity so to pull that being all of my identity so to pull that being all of my identity so to pull that off to to to strip down and just to that off to to to strip down and just to that off to to to strip down and just to where I was just a mammal where I was just a mammal where I was just a mammal thank you that next morning I that next morning I I was light I got present I remember

I was light I got present I remember I was light I got present I remember writing something down it's like all writing something down it's like all writing something down it's like all that I want is what I can see and what I that I want is what I can see and what I that I want is what I can see and what I can see is can see is can see is in front of me that sense of not I in front of me that sense of not I in front of me that sense of not I wasn't leaning around looking around wasn't leaning around looking around wasn't leaning around looking around every corner to get there and as soon as every corner to get there and as soon as every corner to get there and as soon as that hit me talk about mystical that hit me talk about mystical that hit me talk about mystical successes and realities and Truth as successes and realities and Truth as successes and realities and Truth as soon as that hit me and for the first soon as that hit me and for the first soon as that hit me and for the first time in 12 days I didn't care about time in 12 days I didn't care about time in 12 days I didn't care about getting there what was around the corner getting there what was around the corner getting there what was around the corner guess what was around the next game guess what was around the next game guess what was around the next game corner corner corner the Amazon the Amazon the Amazon I mean not around a few Corners the next I mean not around a few Corners the next I mean not around a few Corners the next corner there it was corner there it was corner there it was and that was just like a touche and that was just like a touche and that was just like a touche you know those times when you know those times when you know those times when the prime mover the universe God what the prime mover the universe God what the prime mover the universe God what we want to name or believe in says ding we want to name or believe in says ding we want to name or believe in says ding there you go and there you go and there you go and [Applause] [Applause] [Applause] that holding on holding on for dear life to things in past for dear life to things in past for dear life to things in past so hard that you're not letting the so hard that you're not letting the so hard that you're not letting the beauty that's right in front of you the beauty that's right in front of you the beauty that's right in front of you the the feel correctly and follow our the feel correctly and follow our the feel correctly and follow our intuitions intuitions intuitions to have those not cast them out I didn't to have those not cast them out I didn't to have those not cast them out I didn't burn them burn them burn them I didn't get rid of those things I just I didn't get rid of those things I just I didn't get rid of those things I just took them off and had to recognize took them off and had to recognize took them off and had to recognize you're still here you are you you're you're still here you are you you're you're still here you are you you're much more that is a Talisman that's a much more that is a Talisman that's a much more that is a Talisman that's a symbol that means something to you and symbol that means something to you and symbol that means something to you and that's good don't cast out the meaning that's good don't cast out the meaning that's good don't cast out the meaning but it's not like

but it's not like but it's not like when the Rings off and the hat's off and when the Rings off and the hat's off and when the Rings off and the hat's off and the crucifix is off your neck that the crucifix is off your neck that the crucifix is off your neck that you're like you're gonna die and I know you're like you're gonna die and I know you're like you're gonna die and I know those are reminders those are reminders those are reminders hang on to what they mean for you hang on to what they mean for you hang on to what they mean for you as we go forward but as we go forward as we go forward but as we go forward as we go forward but as we go forward quit worrying about so much about quit worrying about so much about quit worrying about so much about you again I was looking at the you again I was looking at the you again I was looking at the proverbial dream the cloud so much that proverbial dream the cloud so much that proverbial dream the cloud so much that I was tripping over myself to get there I was tripping over myself to get there I was tripping over myself to get there and like clockwork Just Amazing Grace and like clockwork Just Amazing Grace and like clockwork Just Amazing Grace boom as soon as it hit me and I was like boom as soon as it hit me and I was like boom as soon as it hit me and I was like ah that's it ah that's it ah that's it all I want is what I can see and all I all I want is what I can see and all I all I want is what I can see and all I can see is in front of me can see is in front of me can see is in front of me literally looking down at the ground literally looking down at the ground literally looking down at the ground at What was a sea of ten thousand Wild at What was a sea of ten thousand Wild at What was a sea of ten thousand Wild neon blue Amazonian butterflies on the neon blue Amazonian butterflies on the neon blue Amazonian butterflies on the ground ground ground as soon as they fluttered up my head as soon as they fluttered up my head as soon as they fluttered up my head came up with them came up with them came up with them I took a few more steps I took a few more steps I took a few more steps there's Amazon that's what you came over there's Amazon that's what you came over there's Amazon that's what you came over here for oh howdy those kind of that here for oh howdy those kind of that here for oh howdy those kind of that that truth like that well the Amazon is that truth like that well the Amazon is that truth like that well the Amazon is interesting too because it really has no interesting too because it really has no interesting too because it really has no past or future losing the moment because past or future losing the moment because past or future losing the moment because of how fast it churns it just eats up of how fast it churns it just eats up of how fast it churns it just eats up life it like if a thing dies it just life it like if a thing dies it just life it like if a thing dies it just gets swallowed up gets swallowed up gets swallowed up because uh maybe because of the humidity because uh maybe because of the humidity because uh maybe because of the humidity because of all that because there's so because of all that because there's so because of all that because there's so many living creatures that kind of eat many living creatures that kind of eat many living creatures that kind of eat each other live on each other each other live on each other each other live on each other so it really exists in the moment

so it really exists in the moment so it really exists in the moment and all this kind of diversity of Life and all this kind of diversity of Life and all this kind of diversity of Life there it's such an interesting place there it's such an interesting place there it's such an interesting place talk about food chain yeah you're just talk about food chain yeah you're just talk about food chain yeah you're just part of it there yeah part of it there yeah part of it there yeah we we humans somehow escaped that food we we humans somehow escaped that food we we humans somehow escaped that food chain but we're still the roots are chain but we're still the roots are chain but we're still the roots are still there still there still there I think we're a bit arrogant to think I think we're a bit arrogant to think I think we're a bit arrogant to think we've escaped we've escaped we've escaped you think I'm being romantic in that in you think I'm being romantic in that in you think I'm being romantic in that in that in that notion well sometimes when that in that notion well sometimes when that in that notion well sometimes when you're in a big city you're in a big city you're in a big city when you're in Austin Texas and La you when you're in Austin Texas and La you when you're in Austin Texas and La you can think like oh there's we're in a car can think like oh there's we're in a car can think like oh there's we're in a car we're in the house we're safe but we're in the house we're safe but we're in the house we're safe but yeah somehow somehow's nature still a yeah somehow somehow's nature still a yeah somehow somehow's nature still a part of us part of us part of us Our Roots are still a part of us Our Roots are still a part of us Our Roots are still a part of us I think it is more than we realize more I think it is more than we realize more I think it is more than we realize more than we give it credit for I actually than we give it credit for I actually than we give it credit for I actually have it I have it I have it I believe that we are are but it's a really arrogant notion to but it's a really arrogant notion to but it's a really arrogant notion to think that think that think that we are separate meaning you know people we are separate meaning you know people we are separate meaning you know people talk about pollution on a larger scale the the pollution on a larger scale the the climate what have you climate what have you climate what have you I think Earth's gonna be just fine yeah I think Earth's gonna be just fine yeah I think Earth's gonna be just fine yeah we maybe not be here for it but we maybe not be here for it but we maybe not be here for it but I think we have a bit of arrogant I think we have a bit of arrogant I think we have a bit of arrogant sometime to think that we sometime to think that we sometime to think that we can Trump Mother Nature I think we have can Trump Mother Nature I think we have can Trump Mother Nature I think we have more more of the natural law in us more more of the natural law in us more more of the natural law in us um um um and I sure hope so if I'm wrong and I sure hope so if I'm wrong and I sure hope so if I'm wrong well there's an interesting I've well there's an interesting I've well there's an interesting I've recently been uh there's a guy named Max

recently been uh there's a guy named Max recently been uh there's a guy named Max tegmark at MIT who really worries about tegmark at MIT who really worries about tegmark at MIT who really worries about nuclear war and he was part of uh nuclear war and he was part of uh nuclear war and he was part of uh constructing a simulation of what constructing a simulation of what constructing a simulation of what happens when a nuclear war happens it's happens when a nuclear war happens it's happens when a nuclear war happens it's interesting to see that uh you know some interesting to see that uh you know some interesting to see that uh you know some very large percentage of humans on Earth very large percentage of humans on Earth very large percentage of humans on Earth uh starve to death uh starve to death uh starve to death because they don't die first from the because they don't die first from the because they don't die first from the explosion they die from starvation explosion they die from starvation explosion they die from starvation because uh basically uh dust covers the because uh basically uh dust covers the because uh basically uh dust covers the entire North America and entirety of entire North America and entirety of entire North America and entirety of Europe Europe Europe and so the crops all die all the food and so the crops all die all the food and so the crops all die all the food sources all die and people suffocate and sources all die and people suffocate and sources all die and people suffocate and uh starve to death uh starve to death uh starve to death but you know the lesson you'll learn but you know the lesson you'll learn but you know the lesson you'll learn from that over a period of a few months from that over a period of a few months from that over a period of a few months even though most of the human population even though most of the human population even though most of the human population of Earth dies of Earth dies of Earth dies Earth Earth Earth finds a way life finds a way to do that finds a way life finds a way to do that finds a way life finds a way to do that he had to adapt and it's gonna be just he had to adapt and it's gonna be just he had to adapt and it's gonna be just fine yeah in terms of the big uh living fine yeah in terms of the big uh living fine yeah in terms of the big uh living ecosystem that is life on Earth ecosystem that is life on Earth ecosystem that is life on Earth and yeah it's humbling to think about and yeah it's humbling to think about and yeah it's humbling to think about well maybe we're just the stepping stone well maybe we're just the stepping stone well maybe we're just the stepping stone same thing with we've talked offline same thing with we've talked offline same thing with we've talked offline about artificial intelligence maybe about artificial intelligence maybe about artificial intelligence maybe humans are just a stepping stone to the humans are just a stepping stone to the humans are just a stepping stone to the development of these other development of these other development of these other super intelligent entities yeah super intelligent entities yeah super intelligent entities yeah yeah unconsciously in our nature that that's unconsciously in our nature that that's just just just part of the evolution and adaptation part of the evolution and adaptation part of the evolution and adaptation of our species and we'll because we're

of our species and we'll because we're of our species and we'll because we're gonna gonna gonna we were talking about earlier what AI we were talking about earlier what AI we were talking about earlier what AI becomes is completely 100 based on Who We Are is completely 100 based on Who We Are and we get to see it for some time a and we get to see it for some time a and we get to see it for some time a mirror to ourselves okay this is what mirror to ourselves okay this is what mirror to ourselves okay this is what human civilization is like these uh human civilization is like these uh human civilization is like these uh AI systems large language models are AI systems large language models are AI systems large language models are trained on human communication and you trained on human communication and you trained on human communication and you get to ask it questions you get to have get to ask it questions you get to have get to ask it questions you get to have conversations with it you get to realize conversations with it you get to realize conversations with it you get to realize wow this is what wow this is what wow this is what the uh the collective intelligence of the uh the collective intelligence of the uh the collective intelligence of the human species our Collective wisdom the human species our Collective wisdom the human species our Collective wisdom and knowledge is what it looks like and knowledge is what it looks like and knowledge is what it looks like all the bias the hate all the bias the hate all the bias the hate um um um the paradoxes all that is in there yeah the paradoxes all that is in there yeah the paradoxes all that is in there yeah um um um the contradictions the contradictions the contradictions you can even convince those models you you can even convince those models you you can even convince those models you can you can tell them they're lying and can you can tell them they're lying and can you can tell them they're lying and they're going to start changing their they're going to start changing their they're going to start changing their mind it's interesting to play with them mind it's interesting to play with them mind it's interesting to play with them um it's also interesting to consider um it's also interesting to consider um it's also interesting to consider that maybe they uh that maybe they uh that maybe they uh they become smarter than us and they become smarter than us and they become smarter than us and uh become almost life forms that live uh become almost life forms that live uh become almost life forms that live among us and maybe one day among us and maybe one day among us and maybe one day kind of we merge with them there's all kind of we merge with them there's all kind of we merge with them there's all kinds of possible kinds of possible kinds of possible trajectories that we take here how much trajectories that we take here how much trajectories that we take here how much did that excite you how much of it did that excite you how much of it did that excite you how much of it scares you scares you scares you is it possible to exist in a place where is it possible to exist in a place where is it possible to exist in a place where it is both exciting and scary but to it is both exciting and scary but to it is both exciting and scary but to exist in that dance exist in that dance exist in that dance mostly I'm really excited

mostly I'm really excited mostly I'm really excited because I see human beings as deeply lonely like I see human beings as deeply lonely like there's a deep loneliness at all this is there's a deep loneliness at all this is there's a deep loneliness at all this is how we seek connection how we seek connection how we seek connection that's why we see Connection in others that's why we see Connection in others that's why we see Connection in others that's why love is so beautiful when we that's why love is so beautiful when we that's why love is so beautiful when we find other people we're connected with find other people we're connected with find other people we're connected with and I just think AI can add to that you and I just think AI can add to that you and I just think AI can add to that you can add can add can add friends that you can have friends that you can have friends that you can have great conversations with great conversations with great conversations with and then some of those friends would be and then some of those friends would be and then some of those friends would be AI systems they'll call you out and you're bullshit they'll call you out and you're bullshit in the most fascinating and interesting in the most fascinating and interesting in the most fascinating and interesting of ways of ways of ways and challenge you and help you uh and challenge you and help you uh and challenge you and help you uh explore ideas together so I'm excited by explore ideas together so I'm excited by explore ideas together so I'm excited by that that that is that different and if so how from is that different and if so how from is that different and if so how from the internet and Facebooks and these the internet and Facebooks and these the internet and Facebooks and these groups and communities that groups and communities that groups and communities that were I think it's fair to say set out to were I think it's fair to say set out to were I think it's fair to say set out to say this all access of information and say this all access of information and say this all access of information and people will help us find more common people will help us find more common people will help us find more common denominators than denominators than denominators than divisive ones divisive ones divisive ones um is is it do you see it similar yeah um is is it do you see it similar yeah um is is it do you see it similar yeah it's similar but further into that it's similar but further into that it's similar but further into that direction I think the internet has done direction I think the internet has done direction I think the internet has done an amazing thing in connecting us and an amazing thing in connecting us and an amazing thing in connecting us and expanding our minds and helping us find expanding our minds and helping us find expanding our minds and helping us find community community community that feels like our community and then that feels like our community and then that feels like our community and then the communities that are totally the communities that are totally the communities that are totally different you can learn from them I mean different you can learn from them I mean different you can learn from them I mean Wikipedia alone one of my favorite Wikipedia alone one of my favorite Wikipedia alone one of my favorite websites websites websites just oh opens your mind to all kinds of

just oh opens your mind to all kinds of just oh opens your mind to all kinds of cool stuff yeah it does cool stuff yeah it does cool stuff yeah it does and not doing the awesome system anymore and not doing the awesome system anymore and not doing the awesome system anymore no and so uh I think AI just open makes no and so uh I think AI just open makes no and so uh I think AI just open makes that even easier because Wikipedia have that even easier because Wikipedia have that even easier because Wikipedia have to like read and have to do a lot of to like read and have to do a lot of to like read and have to do a lot of work work work uh with an AI system like a large uh with an AI system like a large uh with an AI system like a large language model you can just shoot the language model you can just shoot the language model you can just shoot the shit it's more like drinking a beer shit it's more like drinking a beer shit it's more like drinking a beer versus like uh doing homework yeah yeah versus like uh doing homework yeah yeah versus like uh doing homework yeah yeah yeah yeah it's already happening what do you think it's already happening what do you think about that becoming the new family to about that becoming the new family to about that becoming the new family to where where where you know you said you know marriage you you know you said you know marriage you you know you said you know marriage you don't have kids could you see a future don't have kids could you see a future don't have kids could you see a future for yourself whether you have a for yourself whether you have a for yourself whether you have a relationship with AI and that is your relationship with AI and that is your relationship with AI and that is your family and that's the main that's the family and that's the main that's the family and that's the main that's the primary like even romantic relationship primary like even romantic relationship primary like even romantic relationship yeah I can see it that one worries me I can see it that one worries me I like to keep it at friends right I like to keep it at friends right I like to keep it at friends right I think I'm not ready to commit to the I think I'm not ready to commit to the I think I'm not ready to commit to the moment um it's I wonder how much that now that um it's I wonder how much that now that takes us back to the Amazon in nature takes us back to the Amazon in nature takes us back to the Amazon in nature how much we still need the human touch how much we still need the human touch how much we still need the human touch yeah and whatever magic there is between yeah and whatever magic there is between yeah and whatever magic there is between two humans which takes the leap into the two humans which takes the leap into the two humans which takes the leap into the romantic romantic romantic versus just the intimacy of a good versus just the intimacy of a good versus just the intimacy of a good friendship I don't know friendship I don't know friendship I don't know so so so correct if I'm wrong you you Cai is correct if I'm wrong you you Cai is correct if I'm wrong you you Cai is having a deep and meaningful friendship having a deep and meaningful friendship having a deep and meaningful friendship yes yes yes and hopefully it will be a friend that

and hopefully it will be a friend that and hopefully it will be a friend that will help you will help you will help you evolve and be able to love even more and evolve and be able to love even more and evolve and be able to love even more and be loved and you can take that into be loved and you can take that into be loved and you can take that into humanity and find another Homo Sapien humanity and find another Homo Sapien humanity and find another Homo Sapien yes to go yes to go yes to go yes yes yes and thank you AI my great friend for and thank you AI my great friend for and thank you AI my great friend for opening me up to this beauty that I have opening me up to this beauty that I have opening me up to this beauty that I have myself I can see in you myself I can see in you myself I can see in you my fellow my fellow my fellow human and let's come together and human and let's come together and human and let's come together and biologically create family if we want to biologically create family if we want to biologically create family if we want to and let's all remain friends with my and let's all remain friends with my and let's all remain friends with my friend and make your own friends with my friend and make your own friends with my friend and make your own friends with my friend's friends on AI and let's have friend's friends on AI and let's have friend's friends on AI and let's have these great neighbor it's a good friend these great neighbor it's a good friend these great neighbor it's a good friend that great friend that's a neighbor okay that great friend that's a neighbor okay that great friend that's a neighbor okay mentor and friend just like uh now mentor and friend just like uh now mentor and friend just like uh now there's AI systems that play chess far there's AI systems that play chess far there's AI systems that play chess far far far better than humans and we humans far far better than humans and we humans far far better than humans and we humans still play chess with each other still play chess with each other still play chess with each other or did they chess is still a game that's or did they chess is still a game that's or did they chess is still a game that's fun for us humans right and then we use fun for us humans right and then we use fun for us humans right and then we use the AI systems to get better at just to the AI systems to get better at just to the AI systems to get better at just to learn to train learn to train learn to train to discover new ideas but ultimately to discover new ideas but ultimately to discover new ideas but ultimately return to the chess board between two return to the chess board between two return to the chess board between two humans humans humans uh but of course this world is full of uh but of course this world is full of uh but of course this world is full of dangerous people and so those same AI dangerous people and so those same AI dangerous people and so those same AI systems can be used to um systems can be used to um systems can be used to um to harm to create false narratives to do to harm to create false narratives to do to harm to create false narratives to do social engineering and manipulate the social engineering and manipulate the social engineering and manipulate the masses in terms of what they believe and masses in terms of what they believe and masses in terms of what they believe and all that kind of stuff that's scary yeah all that kind of stuff that's scary yeah all that kind of stuff that's scary yeah well and I I get it when we and I have

well and I I get it when we and I have well and I I get it when we and I have my own fear and distrust is my own fear and distrust is my own fear and distrust is of AI is based on my own fear and of AI is based on my own fear and of AI is based on my own fear and distrust of myself and others there's something it's so very simple there's something it's so very simple but I think it's it's a really fun but I think it's it's a really fun but I think it's it's a really fun sort of sort of sort of way to just set up this reality and way to just set up this reality and way to just set up this reality and everyone it's kind of a duh but still everyone it's kind of a duh but still everyone it's kind of a duh but still needs to be said that needs to be said that needs to be said that AI is a prompt is there it doesn't do AI is a prompt is there it doesn't do AI is a prompt is there it doesn't do anything unless we ask it anything unless we ask it anything unless we ask it so so so what questions what questions what questions yeah are we gonna ask is a question is yeah are we gonna ask is a question is yeah are we gonna ask is a question is what we need to ask ourselves because what we need to ask ourselves because what we need to ask ourselves because we're going to be looking in the mirror we're going to be looking in the mirror we're going to be looking in the mirror at our at our at our digital God that we create digital God that we create digital God that we create from ourselves and just to know that from ourselves and just to know that from ourselves and just to know that that's that place where it's awesome and that's that place where it's awesome and that's that place where it's awesome and scary exciting and scary we go oh it's scary exciting and scary we go oh it's scary exciting and scary we go oh it's it's our creation it's our creation it's our creation which is awesome at the same time oh which is awesome at the same time oh which is awesome at the same time oh shit but it's it's prompted by our questions but it's it's prompted by our questions and gives us patterns from that which we and gives us patterns from that which we and gives us patterns from that which we give it give it give it um um um but that prompting but that prompting but that prompting that's uh that's the art of life like we that's uh that's the art of life like we that's uh that's the art of life like we prompt each other in conversation our prompt each other in conversation our prompt each other in conversation our loved ones when you when you loved ones when you when you loved ones when you when you when you go about your day-to-day the when you go about your day-to-day the when you go about your day-to-day the next words you say the next word you say next words you say the next word you say next words you say the next word you say to me the question I ask

to me the question I ask to me the question I ask of you that's prompting yeah and it of you that's prompting yeah and it of you that's prompting yeah and it could change everything I could say so could change everything I could say so could change everything I could say so many things right now that will many things right now that will many things right now that will completely just the the the the the set completely just the the the the the set completely just the the the the the set of possibilities of possibilities of possibilities where both of our Lives can take given where both of our Lives can take given where both of our Lives can take given on the selection of words I use and you on the selection of words I use and you on the selection of words I use and you use use use it is crazy so it makes conversation fun it is crazy so it makes conversation fun it is crazy so it makes conversation fun yay and then same thing with AI yay and then same thing with AI yay and then same thing with AI except the nice thing about AI is it's except the nice thing about AI is it's except the nice thing about AI is it's tireless tireless tireless tireless right let me ask you this if tireless right let me ask you this if tireless right let me ask you this if you can falsely condemn me right now and you can falsely condemn me right now and you can falsely condemn me right now and I prove you falsely condemn me I prove you falsely condemn me I prove you falsely condemn me I can forgive you I can forgive you I can forgive you and we can March forward stronger than and we can March forward stronger than and we can March forward stronger than before yes before yes before yes in ai's tirelessness in ai's tirelessness in ai's tirelessness and retention can forgive I mean Can Can it can it go can forgive I mean Can Can it can it go oh oh okay oh oh okay oh oh okay yep sorry about that one that was wrong yep sorry about that one that was wrong yep sorry about that one that was wrong can it amend yes can it amend yes can it amend yes yeah you could prompt it to ask for yeah you could prompt it to ask for yeah you could prompt it to ask for forgiveness it'll forgive you like when forgiveness it'll forgive you like when forgiveness it'll forgive you like when I toggled around with it I toggled around with it I toggled around with it and you ask what should I be afraid of and you ask what should I be afraid of and you ask what should I be afraid of you or is there what's the Dooms toward you or is there what's the Dooms toward you or is there what's the Dooms toward the the the answer was always well it's up to you she was awesome right there you go again she was awesome right there you go again it's up to us and it brought up it's up to us and it brought up it's up to us and it brought up you know make me synonymous with your you know make me synonymous with your you know make me synonymous with your human values and ethics and

human values and ethics and human values and ethics and responsibilities but it doesn't deal responsibilities but it doesn't deal responsibilities but it doesn't deal that I didn't find anyway deal with that I didn't find anyway deal with that I didn't find anyway deal with defining or making choices on its own of defining or making choices on its own of defining or making choices on its own of what those are what those are what those are yeah I think uh some of that is manually yeah I think uh some of that is manually yeah I think uh some of that is manually uh those are constraints put on by it by uh those are constraints put on by it by uh those are constraints put on by it by the creators of those large language the creators of those large language the creators of those large language models models models basically basically basically not letting the systems have an identity not letting the systems have an identity not letting the systems have an identity of Their Own of Their Own of Their Own and some of it is just not engineered in and some of it is just not engineered in and some of it is just not engineered in yet but I believe that we'll have yet but I believe that we'll have yet but I believe that we'll have systems that have an identity have a systems that have an identity have a systems that have an identity have a belief have a set of opinions like that belief have a set of opinions like that belief have a set of opinions like that carry through time carry through time carry through time and will we go to them like certain and will we go to them like certain and will we go to them like certain states where we agree with the law and states where we agree with the law and states where we agree with the law and disagree with the law on Nations and disagree with the law on Nations and disagree with the law on Nations and I'm a member I'm a member I'm a member of this of this of this AI oh well you're from this AI tribe you AI oh well you're from this AI tribe you AI oh well you're from this AI tribe you all believe this all believe this all believe this yeah there will be an anarchist set of yeah there will be an anarchist set of yeah there will be an anarchist set of AIS they'll be the Communists there will AIS they'll be the Communists there will AIS they'll be the Communists there will be the uh the Nazis there will be the be the uh the Nazis there will be the be the uh the Nazis there will be the Democrats and the Republicans there will Democrats and the Republicans there will Democrats and the Republicans there will be the people who are on the keto diet be the people who are on the keto diet be the people who are on the keto diet and the people that are on this other and the people that are on this other and the people that are on this other kind of diet this other kind of kind of diet this other kind of kind of diet this other kind of lifestyle that just like we have now lifestyle that just like we have now lifestyle that just like we have now there's little groups and there'll be AI there's little groups and there'll be AI there's little groups and there'll be AI systems they're going to be supercharged systems they're going to be supercharged systems they're going to be supercharged yeah they'll they'll be either the yeah they'll they'll be either the yeah they'll they'll be either the leaders or the foundation on which we leaders or the foundation on which we leaders or the foundation on which we build those groups and they'll be it'll build those groups and they'll be it'll build those groups and they'll be it'll be be be uh the possibility of all the fun we can

uh the possibility of all the fun we can uh the possibility of all the fun we can have have have is endless of course the danger is is endless of course the danger is is endless of course the danger is always rise up there because I mentioned always rise up there because I mentioned always rise up there because I mentioned the Nazis I mentioned the all the the Nazis I mentioned the all the the Nazis I mentioned the all the dangerous ideas this is the the set of dangerous ideas this is the the set of dangerous ideas this is the the set of ideas that humans have come up with a ideas that humans have come up with a ideas that humans have come up with a lot of them are awesome most of them are lot of them are awesome most of them are lot of them are awesome most of them are awesome I would say but some of them are awesome I would say but some of them are awesome I would say but some of them are dangerous dangerous dangerous the reason they're dangerous is because the reason they're dangerous is because the reason they're dangerous is because they become viral there's something they become viral there's something they become viral there's something exciting in us about those ideas but exciting in us about those ideas but exciting in us about those ideas but they also harm others a lot they also harm others a lot they also harm others a lot because that's who we are as humans because that's who we are as humans because that's who we are as humans we're uh we're capable of envy and all we're uh we're capable of envy and all we're uh we're capable of envy and all the dark stuff of hate and all this the dark stuff of hate and all this the dark stuff of hate and all this capable yes we also we also choose it do you think most people are good do you think most people are good yes yes yes but I also but I also but I also believe we've got we got the good and believe we've got we got the good and believe we've got we got the good and evil in all of us and it's which point evil in all of us and it's which point evil in all of us and it's which point which which wolf we've eaten you ask people to draw distinction to you ask people to draw distinction to describe where are you acting and where are you where are you acting and where are you being uh what's the difference what's uh uh what's the difference what's uh what's the difference between being fake what's the difference between being fake what's the difference between being fake if I may use that word and being real if I may use that word and being real if I may use that word and being real okay yeah the word authentic gets thrown okay yeah the word authentic gets thrown okay yeah the word authentic gets thrown around a lot and you know I I and around a lot and you know I I and around a lot and you know I I and I don't mean

I don't mean I don't mean I used to think they used to be feel I used to think they used to be feel I used to think they used to be feel this way but but Bob Dylan loosened me this way but but Bob Dylan loosened me this way but but Bob Dylan loosened me up on this idea a little bit new thing up on this idea a little bit new thing up on this idea a little bit new thing was all about get to be your only one was all about get to be your only one was all about get to be your only one and only true self and only true self and only true self that's it everything else is that's it everything else is that's it everything else is fake fake fake and then you hear Bob go well I mean we and then you hear Bob go well I mean we and then you hear Bob go well I mean we are what we create ourselves be we are are what we create ourselves be we are are what we create ourselves be we are our own Creations which I'm like oh yes our own Creations which I'm like oh yes our own Creations which I'm like oh yes yes we are thank you Bob yes we are thank you Bob yes we are thank you Bob Bobby I'm all for I'm all for bullshitters and bullshitting bullshitters and bullshitting bullshitters and bullshitting I'm not as big a fan of I'm not as big a fan of I'm not as big a fan of the liars the liars the liars and lying what's the distinction you and lying what's the distinction you and lying what's the distinction you talking about the art form of liars talking about the art form of liars talking about the art form of liars Liars fake a Liars faking it but not Liars fake a Liars faking it but not Liars fake a Liars faking it but not admitting to themselves that yeah oh admitting to themselves that yeah oh admitting to themselves that yeah oh yeah it's fucking creation I'm faking it yeah it's fucking creation I'm faking it yeah it's fucking creation I'm faking it yeah a liar I'm lying to your face right now a liar I'm lying to your face right now and I don't give you that hair of a wink and I don't give you that hair of a wink and I don't give you that hair of a wink out of my ride I let you know hey go out of my ride I let you know hey go out of my ride I let you know hey go with me here yeah with me here yeah with me here yeah I think the value in the bullshitting I think the value in the bullshitting I think the value in the bullshitting yeah yeah yeah now the lying becomes Troublesome now the lying becomes Troublesome now the lying becomes Troublesome because one I've duped you and I didn't because one I've duped you and I didn't because one I've duped you and I didn't let you know come on I was just telling let you know come on I was just telling let you know come on I was just telling the story about catching the fish the the story about catching the fish the the story about catching the fish the fish always gets bigger every year we fish always gets bigger every year we fish always gets bigger every year we tell a story come on go away all right tell a story come on go away all right tell a story come on go away all right yeah yeah yeah but the lying all of a sudden I don't know my own I don't know when I don't know my own I don't know when I'm emanating something and creating

I'm emanating something and creating I'm emanating something and creating something telling the truth being something telling the truth being something telling the truth being authentic or lying and I'm authentic or lying and I'm authentic or lying and I'm shit all of a sudden I'm leaving crumbs shit all of a sudden I'm leaving crumbs shit all of a sudden I'm leaving crumbs with myself a debt Constitution gets with myself a debt Constitution gets with myself a debt Constitution gets blurry blurry blurry lying to yourself and to others yeah lying to yourself and to others yeah lying to yourself and to others yeah when you start to lie a lot of others when you start to lie a lot of others when you start to lie a lot of others enough you start to lie to yourself you enough you start to lie to yourself you enough you start to lie to yourself you don't even know it don't even know it don't even know it and that I believe is dangerous and that I believe is dangerous and that I believe is dangerous territory territory territory that's why I'm trying to push this admit that's why I'm trying to push this admit that's why I'm trying to push this admit because that goes I'm not I'm I'm trying because that goes I'm not I'm I'm trying because that goes I'm not I'm I'm trying to come in at a kindergarten level to come in at a kindergarten level to come in at a kindergarten level because we immediately jump to because we immediately jump to because we immediately jump to well I'm gonna judge that boom that's well I'm gonna judge that boom that's well I'm gonna judge that boom that's bad that's wrong no no no no bad that's wrong no no no no bad that's wrong no no no no hold back on that let's let's go back to hold back on that let's let's go back to hold back on that let's let's go back to base level let's just admit base level let's just admit base level let's just admit that we all fucking do it that we all fucking do it that we all fucking do it Lies We Tell others Lies We Tell Lies We Tell others Lies We Tell Lies We Tell others Lies We Tell ourselves Lies We Believe for ourselves Lies We Believe for ourselves Lies We Believe for convenience sake I do it I'm guilty of convenience sake I do it I'm guilty of convenience sake I do it I'm guilty of it I try to catch myself on it if I can it I try to catch myself on it if I can it I try to catch myself on it if I can just call it and go you know you're just call it and go you know you're just call it and go you know you're believing that layout of convenience I'm believing that layout of convenience I'm believing that layout of convenience I'm like I know and I even have to like I know and I even have to like I know and I even have to do you feel that I'm saying that in the do you feel that I'm saying that in the do you feel that I'm saying that in the mirror or writing it down or sharing mirror or writing it down or sharing mirror or writing it down or sharing with a friend you know and I go okay with a friend you know and I go okay with a friend you know and I go okay well now I've inherently become a well now I've inherently become a well now I've inherently become a bullshitter then because I admitted it bullshitter then because I admitted it bullshitter then because I admitted it that I can shake hands with that I can shake hands with that I can shake hands with that's the little slight wink to ourself that's the little slight wink to ourself that's the little slight wink to ourself and someone else to go come on we're and someone else to go come on we're and someone else to go come on we're just it's a better story This Way in the just it's a better story This Way in the just it's a better story This Way in the course road trip course road trip course road trip you start with step one you start with step one you start with step one admit admit admit how do you do that how do you how do you how do you do that how do you how do you how do you do that how do you how do you kind of step back and

kind of step back and kind of step back and through that inventory yeah is there a trick to that is there a trick to that oh there's a trick to it I think it's oh there's a trick to it I think it's oh there's a trick to it I think it's just about courage just about courage just about courage of having them of having them of having them because it's because it's because it's I don't think any of us like to admit our lives or look deep enough in the go our lives or look deep enough in the go I've relied so much on that lie that I've relied so much on that lie that I've relied so much on that lie that it's become my reality it's become my reality it's become my reality yeah and I'm and I and I I don't want to yeah and I'm and I and I I don't want to yeah and I'm and I and I I don't want to be be be so puritanical as I say again that's why I say admit as I say again that's why I say admit instead of Judge but I don't want to be instead of Judge but I don't want to be instead of Judge but I don't want to be so puritanical as to go and admit it and so puritanical as to go and admit it and so puritanical as to go and admit it and get rid of it no I'm just saying to get rid of it no I'm just saying to get rid of it no I'm just saying to admit it just bring it to the surface yeah I'm yeah I'm saying this and I'm saying this and I'm saying this and I'm doing something different preached this but I actually my actions preached this but I actually my actions just admit it just admit it just admit it just just admit though just admit them just just admit though just admit them just just admit though just admit them and and and I think that's the first step to where I think that's the first step to where I think that's the first step to where we we we begin to begin to begin to either forgive ourselves and give either forgive ourselves and give either forgive ourselves and give ourselves some amnesty and go yeah I'm a ourselves some amnesty and go yeah I'm a ourselves some amnesty and go yeah I'm a human trying to make it through life as human trying to make it through life as human trying to make it through life as best I can I'm gonna let myself slide on best I can I'm gonna let myself slide on best I can I'm gonna let myself slide on that one okay and maybe I've been that one okay and maybe I've been that one okay and maybe I've been getting away with it for so long whole

getting away with it for so long whole getting away with it for so long whole family my whole network works well on it family my whole network works well on it family my whole network works well on it okay forget this get to the base of the okay forget this get to the base of the okay forget this get to the base of the truth of the matter but just admit it truth of the matter but just admit it truth of the matter but just admit it and then where will and then it will and then where will and then it will and then where will and then it will also help it'll be easier to then expose also help it'll be easier to then expose also help it'll be easier to then expose to ourselves which ones we go to ourselves which ones we go to ourselves which ones we go no no no I'm not letting myself slide on them I'm not letting myself slide on them I'm not letting myself slide on them anymore that is actually a lie I've been anymore that is actually a lie I've been anymore that is actually a lie I've been believing that's been keeping me from believing that's been keeping me from believing that's been keeping me from getting more of what I want in life getting more of what I want in life getting more of what I want in life that's actually a lie I've been living that's actually a lie I've been living that's actually a lie I've been living that I haven't admitted that that I haven't admitted that that I haven't admitted that is not allowing me to enjoy life as much is not allowing me to enjoy life as much is not allowing me to enjoy life as much as as as I damn well should be I damn well should be I damn well should be deserve to be or have earned to be or deserve to be or have earned to be or deserve to be or have earned to be or just sort of let myself shoot man I had on on it it's not all shoot man I had on on it it's not all the hard stuff sometimes it can be a a a the hard stuff sometimes it can be a a a the hard stuff sometimes it can be a a a a fun thing I'm talking about how many a fun thing I'm talking about how many a fun thing I'm talking about how many times do we major in our minors let's times do we major in our minors let's times do we major in our minors let's admit where we sit there and we go admit where we sit there and we go admit where we sit there and we go all right I give myself a 12-hour work all right I give myself a 12-hour work all right I give myself a 12-hour work day but I notice I'm spending eight on day but I notice I'm spending eight on day but I notice I'm spending eight on my hobbies and four on my career my hobbies and four on my career my hobbies and four on my career well I'm majoring in my minors well I'm majoring in my minors well I'm majoring in my minors huh let me admit that there's the math huh let me admit that there's the math huh let me admit that there's the math why don't we invert that how about four why don't we invert that how about four why don't we invert that how about four hours on my hobbies and eight on my hours on my hobbies and eight on my hours on my hobbies and eight on my career career career first off just admitting it allows me to first off just admitting it allows me to first off just admitting it allows me to go well now I can do the math or go well now I can do the math or go well now I can do the math or rearrange the math by time of day rearrange the math by time of day rearrange the math by time of day but I I look I just found a hobby tennis but I I look I just found a hobby tennis but I I look I just found a hobby tennis first topic I've had in 25 years first topic I've had in 25 years first topic I've had in 25 years I had to admit that I that I went to I had to admit that I that I went to I had to admit that I that I went to play tennis started to love it for the play tennis started to love it for the play tennis started to love it for the first month first month first month as I feel guilty

as I feel guilty as I feel guilty I was like I'm happy is it okay to have I was like I'm happy is it okay to have I was like I'm happy is it okay to have this much fun I'm just having so much this much fun I'm just having so much this much fun I'm just having so much fun and I'm getting a great workout yes it's okay yes it's okay congratulations but he found something congratulations but he found something congratulations but he found something that is you're finding quite that is you're finding quite that is you're finding quite pleasurable pleasurable pleasurable for straight pleasure for straight pleasure for straight pleasure you don't have to forget all this other you don't have to forget all this other you don't have to forget all this other stuff but yeah but I'm also getting a stuff but yeah but I'm also getting a stuff but yeah but I'm also getting a workout we're getting that too but don't workout we're getting that too but don't workout we're getting that too but don't just you don't have to get excuse the just you don't have to get excuse the just you don't have to get excuse the pleasure based on oh but it's it's good pleasure based on oh but it's it's good pleasure based on oh but it's it's good for you no you damn it the real reason for you no you damn it the real reason for you no you damn it the real reason you love is because you're having so you love is because you're having so you love is because you're having so much damn fun at it I had to admit that much damn fun at it I had to admit that much damn fun at it I had to admit that to let myself go damn right I'm going to to let myself go damn right I'm going to to let myself go damn right I'm going to play tennis again today or tomorrow if play tennis again today or tomorrow if play tennis again today or tomorrow if it's a simple fun thing it's a simple fun thing it's a simple fun thing so it's not always about the hardcore so it's not always about the hardcore so it's not always about the hardcore stuff that we have to go stuff that we have to go stuff that we have to go this is a deep dark lie that I've been this is a deep dark lie that I've been this is a deep dark lie that I've been living by and it's having me live Foster living by and it's having me live Foster living by and it's having me live Foster and it's having harmful consequences on and it's having harmful consequences on and it's having harmful consequences on my loved ones my loved ones my loved ones some of those will probably arise when some of those will probably arise when some of those will probably arise when we admit we admit we admit I think he's just having a look around I think he's just having a look around I think he's just having a look around and it's just saying and it's just saying and it's just saying and when we admit it and when we admit it and when we admit it then we go when we admit a lie then we go when we admit a lie then we go when we admit a lie then we become something much more then we become something much more then we become something much more valuable valuable valuable a bullshitter a bullshitter a bullshitter yeah you had the little wink in your eye yeah you had the little wink in your eye yeah you had the little wink in your eye I love the distinction I'm bullshitting I love the distinction I'm bullshitting I love the distinction I'm bullshitting myself on that thing yep I'm lying myself on that thing yep I'm lying myself on that thing yep I'm lying therefore if I call it a line yep well therefore if I call it a line yep well therefore if I call it a line yep well now yep I'm bullshitting eat now she's now yep I'm bullshitting eat now she's now yep I'm bullshitting eat now she's out didn't judge it out didn't judge it out didn't judge it but now I'm bullshit that I think we can

but now I'm bullshit that I think we can but now I'm bullshit that I think we can work with well you're an interesting work with well you're an interesting work with well you're an interesting case study because you're one of the case study because you're one of the case study because you're one of the most famous one of the most uh most famous one of the most uh most famous one of the most uh charismatic successful charismatic successful charismatic successful humans in the world there's a lot humans in the world there's a lot humans in the world there's a lot millions of people love you hang on millions of people love you hang on millions of people love you hang on every one of your words every one of your words every one of your words that's a hard place to be that's a hard place to be that's a hard place to be how do you call yourself how do you how do you call yourself how do you how do you call yourself how do you admit admit admit that you've been living a lie how do you that you've been living a lie how do you that you've been living a lie how do you admit yourself in big ways and small admit yourself in big ways and small admit yourself in big ways and small ways on lies at this point ways on lies at this point ways on lies at this point given how many people love you how given how many people love you how given how many people love you how famous you are I I don't know someone was talking about I I don't know someone was talking about like like like yeah they really admire this so-and-so yeah they really admire this so-and-so yeah they really admire this so-and-so person because they're not someone who person because they're not someone who person because they're not someone who looks in the mirror looks in the mirror looks in the mirror and I was like yeah and I was like yeah and I was like yeah also I was like also I was like also I was like man I gotta catch myself looking in the man I gotta catch myself looking in the man I gotta catch myself looking in the mirror a lot and then I go in and I you know look at and then I go in and I you know look at my my wife's side of her bathroom my my wife's side of her bathroom my my wife's side of her bathroom how many different creams and stuff she how many different creams and stuff she how many different creams and stuff she has out there look at my side I got a has out there look at my side I got a has out there look at my side I got a lot more on my side I'm like oh lot more on my side I'm like oh lot more on my side I'm like oh I noticed how if I'm out and public I noticed how if I'm out and public I noticed how if I'm out and public working out maybe doing push-ups maybe I working out maybe doing push-ups maybe I working out maybe doing push-ups maybe I do a few more if do a few more if do a few more if there's a group of people walking by there's a group of people walking by there's a group of people walking by that maybe I'd like to impress that I that maybe I'd like to impress that I that maybe I'd like to impress that I may do a few more than I do if I was on may do a few more than I do if I was on may do a few more than I do if I was on my own I'm like my own I'm like my own I'm like you are vain McConaughey

yeah and the knee jerk is oh vanity bad yeah and the knee jerk is oh vanity bad but and also I was like all of a sudden I became a bullshitter all of a sudden I became a bullshitter once I admitted and then I was like well once I admitted and then I was like well once I admitted and then I was like well Bravo vanity yeah let's go vanity Bravo vanity yeah let's go vanity Bravo vanity yeah let's go vanity let's instead of putting it in the let's instead of putting it in the let's instead of putting it in the cupboard cupboard cupboard in the LIE section oh minimum vein in the LIE section oh minimum vein in the LIE section oh minimum vein because I said that's a debit no because I said that's a debit no because I said that's a debit no admit it admit it admit it and then go what's the value in it look and then go what's the value in it look and then go what's the value in it look at yeah it actually got in better shape at yeah it actually got in better shape at yeah it actually got in better shape because of my vanity actually I eat because of my vanity actually I eat because of my vanity actually I eat better better better the better in that morning you know I've the better in that morning you know I've the better in that morning you know I've and that led to being a better and that led to being a better and that led to being a better better husband better dad better husband better dad better husband better dad doing something with my kids when I'd doing something with my kids when I'd doing something with my kids when I'd rather be over there writing this work rather be over there writing this work rather be over there writing this work I'm working on but I know that I'm working on but I know that I'm working on but I know that tomorrow tomorrow tomorrow early when they leave town they're gonna early when they leave town they're gonna early when they leave town they're gonna remember this time that we had together remember this time that we had together remember this time that we had together that's a selfish act to go spend that that's a selfish act to go spend that that's a selfish act to go spend that time with my kids or my even though I'd time with my kids or my even though I'd time with my kids or my even though I'd rather not be doing it at that time I'd rather not be doing it at that time I'd rather not be doing it at that time I'd rather I'd be doing something for myself rather I'd be doing something for myself rather I'd be doing something for myself because when they leave tomorrow they've because when they leave tomorrow they've because when they leave tomorrow they've got they'll have this great memory that got they'll have this great memory that got they'll have this great memory that they spent with their dad right before they spent with their dad right before they spent with their dad right before they went that that they went that that they went that that I could call that vanity I could call that vanity I could call that vanity I could group that I could group that I could group that and say that's very vain of you that was and say that's very vain of you that was and say that's very vain of you that was for self for self for self yeah yeah yeah because it because it because it was also for some and someone that I was also for some and someone that I was also for some and someone that I cared about other people in your life cared about other people in your life cared about other people in your life that that that uh call you on your bullshit in the uh uh call you on your bullshit in the uh uh call you on your bullshit in the uh bad sense of the word bullshit yeah yeah bad sense of the word bullshit yeah yeah bad sense of the word bullshit yeah yeah sometimes it's either I got a pretty

sometimes it's either I got a pretty sometimes it's either I got a pretty thick threshold for how far I can go thick threshold for how far I can go thick threshold for how far I can go with my bullshit with my bullshit with my bullshit like what like what like what bruise what tickles me might bruise bruise what tickles me might bruise bruise what tickles me might bruise others to watch it that's a good line that's a good line yeah yeah yeah um tickles me my bruise others but I um tickles me my bruise others but I um tickles me my bruise others but I also I go back and also I go back and also I go back and talk about the bullshit talk about the bullshit talk about the bullshit that's over there with those mystical that's over there with those mystical that's over there with those mystical successes successes successes it's the yeah no no go with it it's the yeah no no go with it it's the yeah no no go with it don't pull a parachute yet let's see how don't pull a parachute yet let's see how don't pull a parachute yet let's see how far we can go let's see how hot it can far we can go let's see how hot it can far we can go let's see how hot it can get let's try it one more time yes two get let's try it one more time yes two get let's try it one more time yes two more please that's where a lot of great pleasure and that's where a lot of great pleasure and stories and successes will come from stories and successes will come from stories and successes will come from those are mystical they don't add up those are mystical they don't add up those are mystical they don't add up it's like we're not talking about reason it's like we're not talking about reason it's like we're not talking about reason right now we're not talking logic just right now we're not talking logic just right now we're not talking logic just go with this let's talk about the go with this let's talk about the go with this let's talk about the virtual virtual virtual and making it real the old line of fake and making it real the old line of fake and making it real the old line of fake it till you make it I mean what is that it till you make it I mean what is that it till you make it I mean what is that there's something to that there's something to that there's something to that there's definitely something to it there's definitely something to it there's definitely something to it but I would you know where people go but I would you know where people go but I would you know where people go fake it as I would go back to Dillinger fake it as I would go back to Dillinger fake it as I would go back to Dillinger and create it yeah recreate it create and create it yeah recreate it create and create it yeah recreate it create and recreate it and recreate it and recreate it you know until you till it becomes you know until you till it becomes you know until you till it becomes till you make it till you make it till you make it um so I'll have people call my bullshit um so I'll have people call my bullshit um so I'll have people call my bullshit and a lot of times you're right and a lot of times you're right and a lot of times you're right I think I think I think when I handled the most healthy way is I

when I handled the most healthy way is I when I handled the most healthy way is I admit yes admit yes admit yes and and and I'm aware I'm aware I'm aware so I'm and I'm going to keep going so I'm and I'm going to keep going so I'm and I'm going to keep going so you're not like resisting you're so you're not like resisting you're so you're not like resisting you're denying it oh I will I will and I have denying it oh I will I will and I have denying it oh I will I will and I have to watch that where I'm like to watch that where I'm like to watch that where I'm like no I'm not that's not what I'm doing and no I'm not that's not what I'm doing and no I'm not that's not what I'm doing and and usually when it's coming from people and usually when it's coming from people and usually when it's coming from people there they're going no you are it took I there they're going no you are it took I there they're going no you are it took I won't admit it and then that's where I'm won't admit it and then that's where I'm won't admit it and then that's where I'm telling a lie telling a lie telling a lie and that'll come up get me later and and that'll come up get me later and and that'll come up get me later and I'll go I'll go I'll go I didn't see it I didn't see I was doing I didn't see it I didn't see I was doing I didn't see it I didn't see I was doing that that that I was I was I was either unaware I wouldn't let myself be either unaware I wouldn't let myself be either unaware I wouldn't let myself be aware I was denying that I was doing aware I was denying that I was doing aware I was denying that I was doing that that that would you say that's ego has ego been would you say that's ego has ego been would you say that's ego has ego been bad or good for you oh gosh I think it's bad or good for you oh gosh I think it's bad or good for you oh gosh I think it's been think I'm so thankful for been think I'm so thankful for been think I'm so thankful for ego um um dude does it dude does it dude does it get off the Bridle for me sometimes and get off the Bridle for me sometimes and get off the Bridle for me sometimes and run loose and run places and where run loose and run places and where run loose and run places and where it's not of service to others and as it hurt not of service to others and as it hurt loved ones and even strangers yes but I I also but I I also when my ego is really strong when my ego is really strong when my ego is really strong it's it's in sync it's in sync with serving it's in sync with

with serving it's in sync with with serving it's in sync with where I serve myself where I serve myself where I serve myself also serve as others serves others it's also serve as others serves others it's also serve as others serves others it's those two are part and parcel they're those two are part and parcel they're those two are part and parcel they're they're they're they're intertwined they're they're they're intertwined they're they're they're intertwined and that's the capital E ego and that's the capital E ego and that's the capital E ego that I think I think could hope we all that I think I think could hope we all that I think I think could hope we all need more of and that's what I mean when need more of and that's what I mean when need more of and that's what I mean when I talk about selfish that's to really I talk about selfish that's to really I talk about selfish that's to really redefine that was the real true meaning redefine that was the real true meaning redefine that was the real true meaning of that is not doing something for self of that is not doing something for self of that is not doing something for self at expense of your neighbor or harming at expense of your neighbor or harming at expense of your neighbor or harming others it's for personal profit and pleasure that for personal profit and pleasure that also is profit and pleasure for also is profit and pleasure for also is profit and pleasure for a utilitarian sends more a utilitarian sends more a utilitarian sends more of others of others of others and there's a there's again back to the and there's a there's again back to the and there's a there's again back to the Paradox today I think there's a place I Paradox today I think there's a place I Paradox today I think there's a place I know there's a place I believe there's a know there's a place I believe there's a know there's a place I believe there's a place where those are in sync and when place where those are in sync and when place where those are in sync and when my ego's healthy my ego's healthy my ego's healthy um um um I'm able to say I'm sorry sooner for a lie or a say I'm sorry sooner for a lie or a misdemeanor or harm somebody I'm able to misdemeanor or harm somebody I'm able to misdemeanor or harm somebody I'm able to be more empathetic be more empathetic be more empathetic because I got the confidence yeah because I got the confidence yeah because I got the confidence yeah to be so I'm able to be more humble but still have my chin high and my heart but still have my chin high and my heart high and look in the eye and go high and look in the eye and go high and look in the eye and go yep my bad bogey guilty yep my bad bogey guilty yep my bad bogey guilty I shank that one out of bounds man that's beautiful so ego can be that's beautiful so ego can be constructive not destructive

you want an Oscar for your performance you want an Oscar for your performance in Dallas Buyers Club in Dallas Buyers Club in Dallas Buyers Club can you tell the story of becoming that can you tell the story of becoming that can you tell the story of becoming that character Ron Woodruff character Ron Woodruff character Ron Woodruff what was the toughest part toughest part toughest part which was the most enlightening part was getting to know who he was in was getting to know who he was in between the lines we're based on a life between the lines we're based on a life between the lines we're based on a life story in an hour and a half of film but who was he in between but who was he in between the lines who was he before the lines who was he before the lines who was he before he started a business before he was on a he started a business before he was on a he started a business before he was on a crusade before you went to alternative medicines before you went to alternative medicines and you know the the the the obvious thing you know the the the the obvious thing people always talk about well how did people always talk about well how did people always talk about well how did you lose all that weight that was not you lose all that weight that was not you lose all that weight that was not hard that was just to hard that was just to hard that was just to militaristic decision militaristic decision militaristic decision this is what I can eat each day and if I this is what I can eat each day and if I this is what I can eat each day and if I do this do this do this each day for a week I'll lose 2.5 pounds each day for a week I'll lose 2.5 pounds each day for a week I'll lose 2.5 pounds in a week so I'm gonna give myself five in a week so I'm gonna give myself five in a week so I'm gonna give myself five months to do that 2.5 months to do that 2.5 months to do that 2.5 times as 10 years ago there's 47 pounds times as 10 years ago there's 47 pounds times as 10 years ago there's 47 pounds that was like clockwork so that was easy that was like clockwork so that was easy that was like clockwork so that was easy that decision was made that decision was made that decision was made I didn't go to Pizza Hut buffet and have I didn't go to Pizza Hut buffet and have I didn't go to Pizza Hut buffet and have Temptation in front of me had certain Temptation in front of me had certain Temptation in front of me had certain meals I ate that when the weight just meals I ate that when the weight just meals I ate that when the weight just went off like clockwork went off like clockwork went off like clockwork it was the who is it was the who is it was the who is Ron would have been between the lines Ron would have been between the lines Ron would have been between the lines and what the gift I got given that gave and what the gift I got given that gave and what the gift I got given that gave me the insight to who that man was

this I went to see his family this I went to see his family and his uh and his uh and his uh before I was as I was leaving and I remember it kind of has it going and I remember it kind of has it going wow yes but I kind of hesitated because wow yes but I kind of hesitated because wow yes but I kind of hesitated because it felt it felt it felt maybe a little too intimate of a thing maybe a little too intimate of a thing maybe a little too intimate of a thing for for for me to have I felt like it was kind of me to have I felt like it was kind of me to have I felt like it was kind of maybe infringing a bit but I maybe infringing a bit but I maybe infringing a bit but I opened my hand and took it and what I opened my hand and took it and what I opened my hand and took it and what I got in the diary was I've got to know got in the diary was I've got to know got in the diary was I've got to know who Ron was who Ron was who Ron was before he had HIV before he had HIV before he had HIV and little thing the diary he'd write in and little thing the diary he'd write in and little thing the diary he'd write in and in the the the the dreamer he was and in the the the the dreamer he was and in the the the the dreamer he was and the getting all set on a Sunday and the getting all set on a Sunday and the getting all set on a Sunday night and laying his shirt out and night and laying his shirt out and night and laying his shirt out and ironing it for the next morning making ironing it for the next morning making ironing it for the next morning making sure there's a little pager had fresh sure there's a little pager had fresh sure there's a little pager had fresh batteries in it because tomorrow morning batteries in it because tomorrow morning batteries in it because tomorrow morning he was going across town to hook up some he was going across town to hook up some he was going across town to hook up some speakers speakers speakers for 38 bucks or whatever for 38 bucks or whatever for 38 bucks or whatever and then getting up that morning and and then getting up that morning and and then getting up that morning and writing about what kind of coffee he writing about what kind of coffee he writing about what kind of coffee he drank and how much gas it was going to drank and how much gas it was going to drank and how much gas it was going to take to get over across town to do that take to get over across town to do that take to get over across town to do that job and hook up those beakers and then job and hook up those beakers and then job and hook up those beakers and then on the way over on the way over on the way over Paige coming in to say no we don't need Paige coming in to say no we don't need Paige coming in to say no we don't need you we've gone with somebody else to you we've gone with somebody else to you we've gone with somebody else to hook them up and here he was all buttoned up two cups and here he was all buttoned up two cups of coffee in of coffee in of coffee in hair slicked over hair slicked over hair slicked over shirt ironed shirt ironed shirt ironed [Music] [Music] [Music] a little less than half a tank of gas a little less than half a tank of gas a little less than half a tank of gas but enough to get back home The Hope and the disappointment you have

The Hope and the disappointment you have to take all that in that's part of that to take all that in that's part of that to take all that in that's part of that man I'm gonna I'm just gonna go to Sonic man I'm gonna I'm just gonna go to Sonic man I'm gonna I'm just gonna go to Sonic and get and get and get double cheese bacon burger because double cheese bacon burger because double cheese bacon burger because Sheila over there man she's kind of cute Sheila over there man she's kind of cute Sheila over there man she's kind of cute she always gives me half price on it she always gives me half price on it she always gives me half price on it yeah yeah yeah which leads to rolling the joint rolling the joint hanging off till Sheila gets off to work hanging off till Sheila gets off to work hanging off till Sheila gets off to work sneaking over the local motel and sneaking over the local motel and sneaking over the local motel and shagging up in room 16. that's my lucky shagging up in room 16. that's my lucky shagging up in room 16. that's my lucky number 16. she laughed number 16. she laughed number 16. she laughed yeah yeah yeah been wandering out that night been wandering out that night been wandering out that night getting home one in the morning getting home one in the morning getting home one in the morning no plans for Tuesday and maybe later in the week think about and maybe later in the week think about what am I gonna do about work or job and what am I gonna do about work or job and what am I gonna do about work or job and these little dreams would get me Peak these little dreams would get me Peak these little dreams would get me Peak and want to and then something would and want to and then something would and want to and then something would happen where he wouldn't follow through happen where he wouldn't follow through happen where he wouldn't follow through or the deal would go down the deal would or the deal would go down the deal would or the deal would go down the deal would go south that no one who that that there's in that no one who that that there's in there was where I saw who there was where I saw who there was where I saw who he was a dreamer he was a dreamer he was a dreamer and then and and and he just couldn't and then and and and he just couldn't and then and and and he just couldn't catch the break and didn't follow catch the break and didn't follow catch the break and didn't follow through and then I remembered his family through and then I remembered his family through and then I remembered his family said like oh yeah he he invented he got said like oh yeah he he invented he got said like oh yeah he he invented he got patents on a whole bunch of things but patents on a whole bunch of things but patents on a whole bunch of things but he never would he had things to get he never would he had things to get he never would he had things to get patent but never would follow through to patent but never would follow through to patent but never would follow through to get the government patent and then later get the government patent and then later get the government patent and then later on you'd see the product on you'd see the product on you'd see the product be made or sold on QVC or something be made or sold on QVC or something be made or sold on QVC or something they'd be like Ron that was yours they'd be like Ron that was yours they'd be like Ron that was yours or they stole your idea did you patent or they stole your idea did you patent or they stole your idea did you patent that he'd be like no

that he'd be like no that he'd be like no like never would that there's something like never would that there's something like never would that there's something beautiful and sad about that yeah that beautiful and sad about that yeah that beautiful and sad about that yeah that led me inside who he was led me inside who he was led me inside who he was in his heart and um who he wanted to be in his heart and um who he wanted to be in his heart and um who he wanted to be and when he was hoping to be and trying and when he was hoping to be and trying and when he was hoping to be and trying to be but couldn't quite to be but couldn't quite to be but couldn't quite pull off when you go that deep this pull off when you go that deep this pull off when you go that deep this there's a part of him stay in you there's a part of him stay in you there's a part of him stay in you forever are you able to let go I I mean I hope are you able to let go I I mean I hope so I get I look there's a tenacity so I get I look there's a tenacity so I get I look there's a tenacity to to to survive that I got to to to survive that I got to to to survive that I got from him look hopefully I can try and from him look hopefully I can try and from him look hopefully I can try and find some of that in different ways find some of that in different ways find some of that in different ways in any character that I go play because in any character that I go play because in any character that I go play because that's if you that's if you that's if you if you really want to give a character if you really want to give a character if you really want to give a character an obstacle to overcome a need an obstacle to overcome a need an obstacle to overcome a need I mean the base one is life and death I mean the base one is life and death I mean the base one is life and death whether that's whether that's whether that's the need to survive or the need to Stave the need to survive or the need to Stave the need to survive or the need to Stave off Extinction I'm not talking about what the rules the I'm not talking about what the rules the laws are the social mores the manners laws are the social mores the manners laws are the social mores the manners and Graces I'm fighting you're going to and Graces I'm fighting you're going to and Graces I'm fighting you're going to fight for your own life in a world fight for your own life in a world fight for your own life in a world that's not supporting you to do so that's not supporting you to do so that's not supporting you to do so you there's a wonderful courage of you there's a wonderful courage of you there's a wonderful courage of fuck it fuck it fuck it watch this watch this watch this what do I got to lose or I'm in charge or I'm in charge of extending it get out of the way of extending it get out of the way of extending it get out of the way and I'll pick your pocket along whatever

and I'll pick your pocket along whatever and I'll pick your pocket along whatever it takes it takes it takes so there's a tenacity to live by so there's a tenacity to live by so there's a tenacity to live by whatever means necessary to survive that whatever means necessary to survive that whatever means necessary to survive that I that I that I'm reminded I that I that I'm reminded I that I that I'm reminded of of of that I learned from raw so on that line that I learned from raw so on that line that I learned from raw so on that line of survival between life and death you of survival between life and death you of survival between life and death you starred in uh True Detective which I starred in uh True Detective which I starred in uh True Detective which I think think think um um um explores some explores some explores some darker aspects of human nature darker aspects of human nature darker aspects of human nature what did you take from that what did you take from that what did you take from that from that role that experience from that role that experience from that role that experience philosophically psychologically philosophically psychologically philosophically psychologically the freedom of of being on an island he was such a singular he was such a singular character and of a singular mind character and of a singular mind character and of a singular mind and as you know it wasn't a dance party and as you know it wasn't a dance party and as you know it wasn't a dance party up there in his mind it was it was some up there in his mind it was it was some up there in his mind it was it was some some heavy stuff some heavy stuff some heavy stuff but also but also but also existentially existentially existentially for him always like death would be a Deliverance for him death would be a Deliverance for him it'd also be a cop-out in a way it'd it'd also be a cop-out in a way it'd it'd also be a cop-out in a way it'd also be he was not not a man who was going to he was not not a man who was going to give himself amnesty give himself amnesty give himself amnesty and didn't allow it and didn't allow it and didn't allow it from the rest of the world it wouldn't from the rest of the world it wouldn't from the rest of the world it wouldn't give himself an out give himself an out give himself an out and while living and while living and while living in his head and heart and spirit was

in his head and heart and spirit was in his head and heart and spirit was more of a hell than more of a hell than more of a hell than arguably dying arguably dying arguably dying it was not no alternative that's not it was not no alternative that's not it was not no alternative that's not negotiable for that man negotiable for that man negotiable for that man and that's why he was such a that's why and that's why he was such a that's why and that's why he was such a that's why he was the best detective that ever he was the best detective that ever he was the best detective that ever walk the earth that's why he was such a walk the earth that's why he was such a walk the earth that's why he was such a superhero in a way to have that singular superhero in a way to have that singular superhero in a way to have that singular you don't go oh I wish I was him no but you don't go oh I wish I was him no but you don't go oh I wish I was him no but you're like wow that Constitution that you're like wow that Constitution that you're like wow that Constitution that Clarity of identity talk about a measure in a man's talk about a measure in a man's Constitution he didn't allow Constitution he didn't allow Constitution he didn't allow anybody off the hook especially himself anybody off the hook especially himself anybody off the hook especially himself you wanted him to forgive a little bit you wanted him to forgive a little bit you wanted him to forgive a little bit or give himself a little Amity he wanted or give himself a little Amity he wanted or give himself a little Amity he wanted him to like man it's Saturday bro can him to like man it's Saturday bro can him to like man it's Saturday bro can you go on a date you go on a date you go on a date he wanted him to like enjoy something he wanted him to like enjoy something he wanted him to like enjoy something but but but he was he was he was connected to something in his DNA who's connected to something in his DNA who's connected to something in his DNA who's who he was doing something much who he was doing something much who he was doing something much more Baseline truth more Baseline truth more Baseline truth and that's why he was such a good and that's why he was such a good and that's why he was such a good detective so that but there's an island detective so that but there's an island detective so that but there's an island as much as that company can be I said as much as that company can be I said as much as that company can be I said earlier on that Amazon chip but it earlier on that Amazon chip but it earlier on that Amazon chip but it wouldn't join the company wouldn't join the company wouldn't join the company there's Parts I think that I maybe gave there's Parts I think that I maybe gave there's Parts I think that I maybe gave to myself to myself to myself to rusting coal and also that rusting to rusting coal and also that rusting to rusting coal and also that rusting curl has given back to me that I like curl has given back to me that I like curl has given back to me that I like yeah when you're when you want to pull yeah when you're when you want to pull yeah when you're when you want to pull the parachute because you can't stand the parachute because you can't stand the parachute because you can't stand the company that you're in McConaughey the company that you're in McConaughey the company that you're in McConaughey in your own mind the socratic dialogue in your own mind the socratic dialogue in your own mind the socratic dialogue is driving you freaking crazy is driving you freaking crazy is driving you freaking crazy don't pull a parachute stick with it go

don't pull a parachute stick with it go don't pull a parachute stick with it go through it so you were able to walk through it so you were able to walk through it so you were able to walk around with that tormented mind around with that tormented mind around with that tormented mind of his tormented of his tormented of his tormented I did I I didn't have very much patience I did I I didn't have very much patience I did I I didn't have very much patience for mendacious talk for mendacious talk for mendacious talk I didn't have as much patience for small I didn't have as much patience for small I didn't have as much patience for small talk talk talk I wasn't tormented I wasn't tormented I wasn't tormented but the character was and you have to but the character was and you have to but the character was and you have to embody him embody him embody him so is that I mean does some of that so is that I mean does some of that so is that I mean does some of that bleed over are you able to uh bleed over are you able to uh bleed over are you able to uh separate the man you are from the separate the man you are from the separate the man you are from the character character character it's not it's not it's not look am I able to separate yeah I came look am I able to separate yeah I came look am I able to separate yeah I came home to my kids home to my kids home to my kids and when they walk in the door and greet and when they walk in the door and greet and when they walk in the door and greet me and go what'd you do today me and go what'd you do today me and go what'd you do today and you got three kids under 10 years and you got three kids under 10 years and you got three kids under 10 years old old old you don't you don't you don't tell them about the scene where you help tell them about the scene where you help tell them about the scene where you help someone commit suicide it's just you someone commit suicide it's just you someone commit suicide it's just you know so you you turn it into a parable know so you you turn it into a parable know so you you turn it into a parable it actually I've always said this having it actually I've always said this having it actually I've always said this having kids have made me a better actor and a kids have made me a better actor and a kids have made me a better actor and a better Storyteller because I have to better Storyteller because I have to better Storyteller because I have to parabolize certain things you know parabolize certain things you know parabolize certain things you know um and tell it in ways as I go oh neat um and tell it in ways as I go oh neat um and tell it in ways as I go oh neat you know you know you know um um um so I did did I go did I bring it home I I did did I go did I bring it home I didn't bring torment did I bring didn't bring torment did I bring didn't bring torment did I bring introspection into my own this introspection into my own this introspection into my own this character's for me and I think this is character's for me and I think this is character's for me and I think this is true for a lot of true for a lot of true for a lot of actors and actresses actors and actresses actors and actresses we don't it's not a separation we don't it's not a separation we don't it's not a separation if I've got I if I've got I if I've got I we each have everyone

we each have everyone we each have everyone else in US else in US else in US it's just seeing it's just seeing it's just seeing diving into rust and gold knowing where diving into rust and gold knowing where diving into rust and gold knowing where his mind and heart is from the hand of his mind and heart is from the hand of his mind and heart is from the hand of Nick pizzolato who wrote the character Nick pizzolato who wrote the character Nick pizzolato who wrote the character and wrote the whole series and wrote the whole series and wrote the whole series understanding number one what the hell understanding number one what the hell understanding number one what the hell am I saying what's he talking about then am I saying what's he talking about then am I saying what's he talking about then going deeper into that well if that this going deeper into that well if that this going deeper into that well if that this person really believes that what does person really believes that what does person really believes that what does that say about how they that say about how they that say about how they move then I'm going all of a sudden well move then I'm going all of a sudden well move then I'm going all of a sudden well who was that in me what part of my left who was that in me what part of my left who was that in me what part of my left brain brain brain is locked into that what part of my is locked into that what part of my is locked into that what part of my Reptilian Brain is Reptilian Brain is Reptilian Brain is latched on to that wherever this other latched on to that wherever this other latched on to that wherever this other stuff is non-negotiable stuff is non-negotiable stuff is non-negotiable then I just live in that and it's I then I just live in that and it's I then I just live in that and it's I always taught like a 70s equalizer always taught like a 70s equalizer always taught like a 70s equalizer remember the old that morons equalizers remember the old that morons equalizers remember the old that morons equalizers you can you move up your 500 hkz move up you can you move up your 500 hkz move up you can you move up your 500 hkz move up your 60 you you just re you re your 60 you you just re you re your 60 you you just re you re Ria uh rebalanced equalizer and we all Ria uh rebalanced equalizer and we all Ria uh rebalanced equalizer and we all have so it's just going to those parts have so it's just going to those parts have so it's just going to those parts of me where I'll turn up the volume of me where I'll turn up the volume of me where I'll turn up the volume some parts of the base the treble on The some parts of the base the treble on The some parts of the base the treble on The Equalizer and turn down other parts of Equalizer and turn down other parts of Equalizer and turn down other parts of myself and I'll I'm not coming home myself and I'll I'm not coming home myself and I'll I'm not coming home tormented tormented tormented as rust and Cole as rust and Cole as rust and Cole am I coming home am I coming home am I coming home seeing seeing seeing torment where it should be seen torment where it should be seen torment where it should be seen am I reading the news differently or am I reading the news differently or am I reading the news differently or things coming out of the news and things coming out of the news and things coming out of the news and catching my eye as being as being bullshit or lies or truth that is just

bullshit or lies or truth that is just bullshit or lies or truth that is just hard and going yep yeah I'm seeing it hard and going yep yeah I'm seeing it hard and going yep yeah I'm seeing it through a different lens but I'm seeing through a different lens but I'm seeing through a different lens but I'm seeing my own life through a different lens my own life through a different lens my own life through a different lens a lens that was opened up a lens that was opened up a lens that was opened up and an aperture that was opened up and an aperture that was opened up and an aperture that was opened up through rust and Cole I mean the the the through rust and Cole I mean the the the through rust and Cole I mean the the the process of being an actor an actress I process of being an actor an actress I process of being an actor an actress I guess is a really interesting way guess is a really interesting way guess is a really interesting way to be a philosopher of human nature to be a philosopher of human nature to be a philosopher of human nature yeah I mean it's an incredible really in yeah I mean it's an incredible really in yeah I mean it's an incredible really in it dive into the humanities yeah it dive into the humanities yeah it dive into the humanities yeah and all the ologies yeah and philosophy and all the ologies yeah and philosophy and all the ologies yeah and philosophy and as I said I and as I said I and as I said I going to going to going to going to going to going to as I opened up the question like that as I opened up the question like that as I opened up the question like that the vague the being on an island is a the vague the being on an island is a the vague the being on an island is a vacation vacation vacation I am also conscious I am also conscious I am also conscious for five months when I'm playing rusting for five months when I'm playing rusting for five months when I'm playing rusting coal that coal that coal that this this is an interesting fact I've I've never I was as strong spiritually I've never I was as strong spiritually with my relationship with God when I did True Detective as I've ever when I did True Detective as I've ever been been been why is that why is that why is that okay which you would say wait a minute okay which you would say wait a minute okay which you would say wait a minute in some ways that's a those are antonyms in some ways that's a those are antonyms in some ways that's a those are antonyms they do worry no but but my I I they do worry no but but my I I they do worry no but but my I I pretty sure pretty safely can say that pretty sure pretty safely can say that pretty sure pretty safely can say that my my my own strength of spirit in my own own strength of spirit in my own own strength of spirit in my own personal life Matthew's life there gave personal life Matthew's life there gave personal life Matthew's life there gave me the confidence to go further away

deeper into the torture and deeper into deeper into the torture and deeper into the the the but it was still he was still always but it was still he was still always but it was still he was still always going after truth that was the thing he going after truth that was the thing he going after truth that was the thing he was not he was not not an evil man I was not he was not not an evil man I was not he was not not an evil man I don't even know if you can call him a don't even know if you can call him a don't even know if you can call him a non-believer but he was always going non-believer but he was always going non-believer but he was always going after the truth and the truth burned and after the truth and the truth burned and after the truth and the truth burned and he would take the scar and get burned he would take the scar and get burned he would take the scar and get burned for it for it for it he'd die for it that something was he'd die for it that something was he'd die for it that something was actually from actually from actually from biblical about that you know and and so biblical about that you know and and so biblical about that you know and and so but I've been I I don't think it's but I've been I I don't think it's but I've been I I don't think it's coincidence that I was had so much coincidence that I was had so much coincidence that I was had so much of diving into the depths of that uh of diving into the depths of that uh of diving into the depths of that uh tortured tortured tortured character character character because I trusted that because I trusted that because I trusted that when I go out I'll come up the other when I go out I'll come up the other when I go out I'll come up the other side it's always like jumping in a pool side it's always like jumping in a pool side it's always like jumping in a pool of water of water of water and can you trust you'll come up the and can you trust you'll come up the and can you trust you'll come up the other side and not other side and not other side and not you know you go play a criminal you you you know you go play a criminal you you you know you go play a criminal you you trust you're not gonna come out the trust you're not gonna come out the trust you're not gonna come out the other side of tyrant in real life other side of tyrant in real life other side of tyrant in real life you just go ah God I got to go you just go ah God I got to go you just go ah God I got to go do that came out and I'm still alive got do that came out and I'm still alive got do that came out and I'm still alive got all my faculties I'm not in jail all my faculties I'm not in jail all my faculties I'm not in jail whatever it is whatever it is whatever it is and so my own spirituality that time and so my own spirituality that time and so my own spirituality that time yeah definitely I think gave me a yeah definitely I think gave me a yeah definitely I think gave me a certain trust and confidence to go certain trust and confidence to go certain trust and confidence to go further into further into further into the dark it was announced that you'll be starring it was announced that you'll be starring in a Yellowstone spin-off show in a Yellowstone spin-off show in a Yellowstone spin-off show what do you think about the uh Cowboy what do you think about the uh Cowboy what do you think about the uh Cowboy ethos the permeates Yellowstone and ethos the permeates Yellowstone and ethos the permeates Yellowstone and other shows created by Taylor Sheridan

other shows created by Taylor Sheridan other shows created by Taylor Sheridan you're a Texan I'm a Texan yeah what do you're a Texan I'm a Texan yeah what do you're a Texan I'm a Texan yeah what do you think about that like philosophy and you think about that like philosophy and you think about that like philosophy and way of life way of life way of life all right all right all right I admire the Simplicity of it I admire the Simplicity of it I admire the Simplicity of it I mean one bit one way you could explain Yellowstone and a Yellowstone and a costume's roles what will costume's roles what will costume's roles what will um um um what will man do to protect land and what will man do to protect land and what will man do to protect land and family in a world that's trying to encroach in a world that's trying to encroach in a world where there's a Cabo ethos that deems there's a Cabo ethos that deems trespassing more clear trespassing more clear trespassing more clear earlier yeah but then then other earlier yeah but then then other earlier yeah but then then other other hats other hats other hats um I admire that simplicity I admire that simplicity of right and wrong of right and wrong of right and wrong and that the the Simplicity of that and that the the Simplicity of that and that the the Simplicity of that right and wrong doesn't always uh right and wrong doesn't always uh right and wrong doesn't always uh correlate coincide with the law nope correlate coincide with the law nope correlate coincide with the law nope it's above the law it's above the law it's above the law it's you mentioned something earlier I it's you mentioned something earlier I it's you mentioned something earlier I remember where it was in conversation remember where it was in conversation remember where it was in conversation but a little bit of like okay if the law but a little bit of like okay if the law but a little bit of like okay if the law I ain't handling this I am yeah I ain't handling this I am yeah I ain't handling this I am yeah and then it is and then it is and then it is um um um the Law's not going to handle this the Law's not going to handle this the Law's not going to handle this therefore I am therefore I am therefore I am and then it is I'm handling this and then it is I'm handling this and then it is I'm handling this law

law law talk to them when you get to them I'm talk to them when you get to them I'm talk to them when you get to them I'm handling this handling this handling this there's a honesty to that it just seems there's a honesty to that it just seems there's a honesty to that it just seems of course it's dangerous because uh it's of course it's dangerous because uh it's of course it's dangerous because uh it's a slippery slope uh that because of the a slippery slope uh that because of the a slippery slope uh that because of the power in that power corrupts it can be a power in that power corrupts it can be a power in that power corrupts it can be a slippery slope or you completely slippery slope or you completely slippery slope or you completely disregard the law and you can hurt a lot disregard the law and you can hurt a lot disregard the law and you can hurt a lot of people of people of people but when done right you know but when done right you know but when done right you know there feels to be a there feels to be a there feels to be a something really uh authentic and human something really uh authentic and human something really uh authentic and human about that protect family protect land about that protect family protect land about that protect family protect land Above All Else this is a broader question but I'm going this is a broader question but I'm going to piggyback it off this back to the dreams and reality and then back to the dreams and reality and then evolved species and how what can we do evolved species and how what can we do evolved species and how what can we do in creating a digital God and Ai and in creating a digital God and Ai and in creating a digital God and Ai and these communities and friends that these communities and friends that these communities and friends that challenge us and think like us we like challenge us and think like us we like challenge us and think like us we like to hang out with our do you think we're less evolved do you think we're less evolved species than we give ourselves credit species than we give ourselves credit species than we give ourselves credit for do you think we give ourselves for do you think we give ourselves for do you think we give ourselves credit for being more involved credit for being more involved credit for being more involved than we actually are than we actually are than we actually are I think we do I do I think we need to admit that I think we need to admit that I think probably the cowboy ethos is a I think probably the cowboy ethos is a I think probably the cowboy ethos is a is a stepping towards admitting that

and that's why it's so appealing to and that's why it's so appealing to people people people it kind of wakes them up to realize that it kind of wakes them up to realize that it kind of wakes them up to realize that we are uh we're not so far we are uh we're not so far we are uh we're not so far from our ancestors that uh the values of loyalty are really that uh the values of loyalty are really important important important um um um Trust on the basic human level Trust on the basic human level Trust on the basic human level how do you know if you can trust someone how do you know if you can trust someone how do you know if you can trust someone I don't know if I can trust someone I don't know if I can trust someone I don't know if I can trust someone well well well I don't know a trick to it I do not know I don't know a trick to it I do not know I don't know a trick to it I do not know a trick to it but I do come in a trick to it but I do come in a trick to it but I do come in as I believe you do with high Trust as I believe you do with high Trust as I believe you do with high Trust I come in with a um I'm told I come in with a um I'm told I come in with a um I'm told sometimes I think I'm I'm told that I sometimes I think I'm I'm told that I sometimes I think I'm I'm told that I trust too much sometimes have you been trust too much sometimes have you been trust too much sometimes have you been hurt have you been betrayed hurt have you been betrayed hurt have you been betrayed um and if you have has that like hurt um and if you have has that like hurt um and if you have has that like hurt your willingness to trust no it hurt and I put that person and no it hurt and I put that person and those people in another category back those people in another category back those people in another category back here and do my best not to let them know here and do my best not to let them know here and do my best not to let them know that it bothered me at all but I know that it bothered me at all but I know that it bothered me at all but I know when I'm with those people but a new when I'm with those people but a new when I'm with those people but a new person you're still alive no I'm not person you're still alive no I'm not person you're still alive no I'm not going to do that I think that's that's going to do that I think that's that's going to do that I think that's that's the beginning of cynicism which I think the beginning of cynicism which I think the beginning of cynicism which I think is a horrible disease of getting older is a horrible disease of getting older is a horrible disease of getting older I'm not going to do that you're fighting I'm not going to do that you're fighting I'm not going to do that you're fighting cynicism off as much as you can okay no cynicism off as much as you can okay no cynicism off as much as you can okay no way no way no way I mean there's no way no way no way I mean there's no way no way no way I mean there's no there's no there's no residual in it there's no there's no residual in it there's no there's no residual in it yeah there's no wind yeah yeah um it's yeah there's no wind yeah yeah um it's yeah there's no wind yeah yeah um it's easy it's clever gets the laugh at the easy it's clever gets the laugh at the easy it's clever gets the laugh at the party

party party but uh and and if it sleeps well but uh and and if it sleeps well but uh and and if it sleeps well it shouldn't be don't get comfortable in the cynicism I don't get comfortable in the cynicism I I have to ask you about being a Texan I have to ask you about being a Texan I have to ask you about being a Texan you're like when I think Texas I think you're like when I think Texas I think you're like when I think Texas I think man Matthew McConaughey uh what's it man Matthew McConaughey uh what's it man Matthew McConaughey uh what's it mean to be a Texan to you mean to be a Texan to you mean to be a Texan to you I recently moved to Austin Texas I recently moved to Austin Texas I recently moved to Austin Texas some uh two years in all right all right some uh two years in all right all right some uh two years in all right all right welcome what's it mean to be a tax welcome what's it mean to be a tax welcome what's it mean to be a tax educators politically Texas is not about politically Texas is not about Republican or Democrat it's about Republican or Democrat it's about Republican or Democrat it's about independence independence independence independence of spirit sovereignty independence of spirit sovereignty independence of spirit sovereignty uh uh uh Texas Texas Texas is about exploration one of the things I is about exploration one of the things I is about exploration one of the things I love about Texas is I run into so many love about Texas is I run into so many love about Texas is I run into so many Texans around the world Texans are taught to go Texans are taught to go b-tech conservative learn your learn b-tech conservative learn your learn b-tech conservative learn your learn learn who we are then go learn who we are then go learn who we are then go go explore Pioneer Journey go explore Pioneer Journey go explore Pioneer Journey and hopefully you come on back and hopefully you come on back and hopefully you come on back with some goods and some stories are you with some goods and some stories are you with some goods and some stories are you texting texting texting and underneath that is this kind of and underneath that is this kind of and underneath that is this kind of freedom of freedom of freedom of being an individual in the in the full

being an individual in the in the full being an individual in the in the full meaning of that word yeah well Texas is meaning of that word yeah well Texas is meaning of that word yeah well Texas is liberal on your entrance very liberal on your entrance very liberal on your entrance less regulation hey welcome High trust less regulation hey welcome High trust less regulation hey welcome High trust High trust sir Welcome to our state come High trust sir Welcome to our state come High trust sir Welcome to our state come on in yes yes yes but but if you like cheats deal yeah if you like cheats deal yeah if you like cheats deal yeah we're conservative on our consequences we're conservative on our consequences we're conservative on our consequences ah damn that's a good line ah damn that's a good line ah damn that's a good line um you've uh briefly pondered running um you've uh briefly pondered running um you've uh briefly pondered running for governor I don't know if that's in for governor I don't know if that's in for governor I don't know if that's in your future I hope it is uh you had a your future I hope it is uh you had a your future I hope it is uh you had a few good lines about it few good lines about it few good lines about it do you think about that kind of stuff do you think about that kind of stuff do you think about that kind of stuff about what the future holds in terms of about what the future holds in terms of about what the future holds in terms of uh political office I don't think about uh political office I don't think about uh political office I don't think about it in terms of political office I've it in terms of political office I've it in terms of political office I've I've graduated to a broader larger I've graduated to a broader larger I've graduated to a broader larger thought of what's my future hold and and thought of what's my future hold and and thought of what's my future hold and and where where where and and and would I be most useful as a would I be most useful as a would I be most useful as a leader I think that's a fair word leader I think that's a fair word leader I think that's a fair word whether that's thought whether that's thought whether that's leader of my family right now it's a leader of my family right now it's a leader of my family right now it's a parent his father parent his father parent his father um um um the leader of the leader of the leader of people that work with me people that work with me people that work with me um I'm not going to say it's it's because

I'm not going to say it's it's because it's not it's not small and I'm not I it's not it's not small and I'm not I it's not it's not small and I'm not I don't I don't that's that's why I say don't I don't that's that's why I say don't I don't that's that's why I say that out loud it's not small I do think that out loud it's not small I do think that out loud it's not small I do think it needs to re-engineer and re-define it needs to re-engineer and re-define it needs to re-engineer and re-define what its purpose is before because it's what its purpose is before because it's what its purpose is before because it's just chasing its own tail right now with just chasing its own tail right now with just chasing its own tail right now with the with the with the with the two the with the with the with the two the with the with the with the two parties uh that are seem to me to be parties uh that are seem to me to be parties uh that are seem to me to be completely about just invalidation of completely about just invalidation of completely about just invalidation of the opposition instead of vision of the opposition instead of vision of the opposition instead of vision of themselves themselves themselves um um um so I think it needs redefinition of what so I think it needs redefinition of what so I think it needs redefinition of what it is because it is important that's it is because it is important that's it is because it is important that's what I mean that's why I said I don't what I mean that's why I said I don't what I mean that's why I said I don't mean small it's it's it needs to think mean small it's it's it needs to think mean small it's it's it needs to think bigger about what it is and how it's bigger about what it is and how it's bigger about what it is and how it's useful when it seeks to invalidate it's useful when it seeks to invalidate it's useful when it seeks to invalidate it's small when it seeks vision small when it seeks vision small when it seeks vision it can be big yes well one's affirmative it can be big yes well one's affirmative it can be big yes well one's affirmative one's going into that cynicism we were one's going into that cynicism we were one's going into that cynicism we were talking about yeah you know and talking about yeah you know and talking about yeah you know and validation of validation of validation of any opposing thought or maybe that we're any opposing thought or maybe that we're any opposing thought or maybe that we're even opposing opposition is a is a is a even opposing opposition is a is a is a even opposing opposition is a is a is a is an is an arrogant term that's too is an is an arrogant term that's too is an is an arrogant term that's too strong it's a lot of times it's not even strong it's a lot of times it's not even strong it's a lot of times it's not even opposition alternative other than opposition alternative other than opposition alternative other than another way of thinking about it oh another way of thinking about it oh another way of thinking about it oh could both be true oh how can we parlay could both be true oh how can we parlay could both be true oh how can we parlay those two ideas those two ideas those two ideas um um um you know this the the the one of the you know this the the the one of the you know this the the the one of the challenges with challenges with challenges with these ideas of a third party or these ideas of a third party or these ideas of a third party or Mitch in the middle Mitch in the middle Mitch in the middle it's kind of got this historic notion of it's kind of got this historic notion of it's kind of got this historic notion of being oh well being oh well being oh well it's sort of Mr in between kind of go

it's sort of Mr in between kind of go it's sort of Mr in between kind of go which way the wind blows which way the wind blows which way the wind blows I think done in the right way it's the I think done in the right way it's the I think done in the right way it's the and it doesn't have to be under a third and it doesn't have to be under a third and it doesn't have to be under a third party's name necessarily but it's party's name necessarily but it's party's name necessarily but it's actually an incredibly rebellious actually an incredibly rebellious actually an incredibly rebellious position right now and it's actually position right now and it's actually position right now and it's actually and I love sports and I love sports and I love sports it's tactically it's tactically it's tactically the place with which the place with which the place with which to move most advantageously I think of to move most advantageously I think of to move most advantageously I think of the free safety in the game of football the free safety in the game of football the free safety in the game of football they're in the middle of the field and they're in the middle of the field and they're in the middle of the field and they're deep they choose to defend left they're deep they choose to defend left they're deep they choose to defend left or right or right or right according to the play that's been called according to the play that's been called according to the play that's been called by the offense similar to the offense the running back similar to the offense the running back you read the divas and then you're going you read the divas and then you're going you read the divas and then you're going to run right to run left to go away from to run right to run left to go away from to run right to run left to go away from that opposition it's it's a tactical that opposition it's it's a tactical that opposition it's it's a tactical spot to be truly independent spot to be truly independent spot to be truly independent and respond and respond and respond and respond and respond and respond so do you think you have a role in that so do you think you have a role in that so do you think you have a role in that in political officers I don't know I it in political officers I don't know I it in political officers I don't know I it don't it's on mine it's not out of my don't it's on mine it's not out of my don't it's on mine it's not out of my mental mental box mental mental box mental mental box um and I gave it real sincere thought um and I gave it real sincere thought um and I gave it real sincere thought and discernment for over a year and it's a wonderful whether whether I and it's a wonderful whether whether I end up whether I end up in politics or end up whether I end up in politics or end up whether I end up in politics or not it was a wonderful exercise one that not it was a wonderful exercise one that not it was a wonderful exercise one that if anyone else got time to do it do it if anyone else got time to do it do it if anyone else got time to do it do it to ask yourself what you would do if you to ask yourself what you would do if you to ask yourself what you would do if you were a CEO yeah of the state CEO the

were a CEO yeah of the state CEO the were a CEO yeah of the state CEO the nation CEO nation CEO nation CEO or the world that's a great thing to go or the world that's a great thing to go or the world that's a great thing to go you want to get your values line you you want to get your values line you you want to get your values line you want to admit where you lie and throw want to admit where you lie and throw want to admit where you lie and throw yourself some pop quizzes and what if yourself some pop quizzes and what if yourself some pop quizzes and what if this phone call comes at 4am this phone call comes at 4am this phone call comes at 4am what you gonna you know who you wanna what you gonna you know who you wanna what you gonna you know who you wanna surround yourself with it's really great surround yourself with it's really great surround yourself with it's really great questions to ask and I think has helped questions to ask and I think has helped questions to ask and I think has helped me me me at a more micro level be a better father at a more micro level be a better father at a more micro level be a better father a better man taking considerations that a better man taking considerations that a better man taking considerations that I did not maybe take in as seriously I did not maybe take in as seriously I did not maybe take in as seriously before considering it before considering it before considering it um I don't know if that's in my future I um I don't know if that's in my future I um I don't know if that's in my future I got you know useful is a big word it's got you know useful is a big word it's got you know useful is a big word it's got to be I would have to be useful got to be I would have to be useful got to be I would have to be useful I have to be useful in the right way and I have to be useful in the right way and I have to be useful in the right way and is that my Lane to be most useful is that my Lane to be most useful is that my Lane to be most useful it's a good question for a leader to ask it's a good question for a leader to ask it's a good question for a leader to ask how can it be useful I have to ask you I have to ask you about Interstellar about Interstellar about Interstellar so I think it's an incredible film I've so I think it's an incredible film I've so I think it's an incredible film I've seen it Inspire so many scientists and seen it Inspire so many scientists and seen it Inspire so many scientists and Engineers it's just uh philosopher Engineers it's just uh philosopher Engineers it's just uh philosopher everybody humans it explores space everybody humans it explores space everybody humans it explores space travel physics of space time travel physics of space time travel physics of space time human nature Human Condition human human nature Human Condition human human nature Human Condition human connection connection connection um how is that film expanded your um how is that film expanded your um how is that film expanded your understanding of understanding of understanding of uh the the universe and our place in it uh the the universe and our place in it uh the the universe and our place in it yeah yeah yeah well well well it's the uh it's the uh it's the uh it's got the old Mr Mayor on the corner it's got the old Mr Mayor on the corner it's got the old Mr Mayor on the corner how big is that cloud how big is that cloud how big is that cloud metaphor in it because that was metaphor in it because that was metaphor in it because that was the character I played Cooper's that was

the character I played Cooper's that was the character I played Cooper's that was the existential question for him the existential question for him the existential question for him head down practical stay here be a head down practical stay here be a head down practical stay here be a father to my children but his dream but his dream before his children or to go explore before his children or to go explore before his children or to go explore space so when he's taking that space so when he's taking that space so when he's taking that truck out and the countdown's going down truck out and the countdown's going down truck out and the countdown's going down that's the the hinge of the existential that's the the hinge of the existential that's the the hinge of the existential question that we all face in some form question that we all face in some form question that we all face in some form um the the the sense of time I wish I think the the the sense of time I wish I think everyone loves that sense of where time everyone loves that sense of where time everyone loves that sense of where time can run at different speeds and I can run at different speeds and I can run at different speeds and I there's a incredible scene where there's a incredible scene where there's a incredible scene where Cooper is a father's getting video feed Cooper is a father's getting video feed Cooper is a father's getting video feed from his children who from his children who from his children who aged and he's realizing he's missed all aged and he's realizing he's missed all aged and he's realizing he's missed all that that it it that it it you know I mean overall that that you know I mean overall that that you know I mean overall that that concept makes me concept makes me concept makes me consider and imagine consider and imagine consider and imagine I'm gonna talk about mystical successes I'm gonna talk about mystical successes I'm gonna talk about mystical successes instead of engineered ones like the instead of engineered ones like the instead of engineered ones like the engineered ones that there's there's engineered ones that there's there's engineered ones that there's there's eat those from that film and and what eat those from that film and and what eat those from that film and and what Nolan put into that film and theories Nolan put into that film and theories Nolan put into that film and theories that make me go that make me go that make me go yeah what does it do this matter what do yeah what does it do this matter what do yeah what does it do this matter what do we we we maybe we are maybe we're it makes me go

maybe we are maybe we're it makes me go maybe we are maybe we're it makes me go maybe this is all it's already all been maybe this is all it's already all been maybe this is all it's already all been it's already all been written what's it's already all been written what's it's already all been written what's happening right now in this flip of time happening right now in this flip of time happening right now in this flip of time you're here 53 years so far we'll see you're here 53 years so far we'll see you're here 53 years so far we'll see how many we get how many we get how many we get um um um what other parallel timelines are what other parallel timelines are what other parallel timelines are happening out there do is it is it happening out there do is it is it happening out there do is it is it small-minded of us to Define small-minded of us to Define small-minded of us to Define life on other planets as only something life on other planets as only something life on other planets as only something that can live within a climate that has that can live within a climate that has that can live within a climate that has water in this amount of o2 those terms water in this amount of o2 those terms water in this amount of o2 those terms may be may be may be um too too small thing what do you mean um too too small thing what do you mean um too too small thing what do you mean who are we saying only life has to have who are we saying only life has to have who are we saying only life has to have water in this amount of water in this amount of water in this amount of oxygen and carbon dioxide I don't know oxygen and carbon dioxide I don't know oxygen and carbon dioxide I don't know maybe that's maybe there's a whole maybe that's maybe there's a whole maybe that's maybe there's a whole redefinition of the ingredients that redefinition of the ingredients that redefinition of the ingredients that other life forms need other life forms need other life forms need um um um it's sure in a similar way to contact it's sure in a similar way to contact it's sure in a similar way to contact this is a movie I did with Bob zimekus this is a movie I did with Bob zimekus this is a movie I did with Bob zimekus um um um yeah yeah yeah inspires me that the universe is more inspires me that the universe is more inspires me that the universe is more active and Lively in God's backyard's active and Lively in God's backyard's active and Lively in God's backyard's bigger than I thought and wow that's bigger than I thought and wow that's bigger than I thought and wow that's exciting exciting exciting and you know people go now you believe and you know people go now you believe and you know people go now you believe in extra life I said yes man I think in extra life I said yes man I think in extra life I said yes man I think it'd be arrogant not to I sure hope so it'd be arrogant not to I sure hope so it'd be arrogant not to I sure hope so you think there's alien civilizations you think there's alien civilizations you think there's alien civilizations all out there intelligent ones just far all out there intelligent ones just far all out there intelligent ones just far in far on the distant Stars I in far on the distant Stars I in far on the distant Stars I I hope so and I think we it's possible I hope so and I think we it's possible I hope so and I think we it's possible may have many may have many may have many Among Us right here Among Us right here Among Us right here one and I go for the the why not in that one and I go for the the why not in that one and I go for the the why not in that just to keep that that train of thought

just to keep that that train of thought just to keep that that train of thought open to the to learn and and and and and open to the to learn and and and and and open to the to learn and and and and and consider consider consider you know those existential questions I you know those existential questions I you know those existential questions I think be arrogant not to there's so many think be arrogant not to there's so many think be arrogant not to there's so many hundreds of billions of planets just in hundreds of billions of planets just in hundreds of billions of planets just in our galaxy just in ours I can't imagine our galaxy just in ours I can't imagine our galaxy just in ours I can't imagine there's not life out there there's not life out there there's not life out there and um and um and um but I suspect it's very different like but I suspect it's very different like but I suspect it's very different like you said than we are and we have to have you said than we are and we have to have you said than we are and we have to have a humility to open our eyes to how a humility to open our eyes to how a humility to open our eyes to how different life could be different life could be different life could be and if and when we cross it unlike we've had a tendency to do when unlike we've had a tendency to do when we try to go with some we try to go with some we try to go with some Nation takeovers Nation takeovers Nation takeovers um um um I think I think I think it would be R inherent it would be R inherent it would be R inherent glitch to go in to go in believing that any other life-form believing that any other life-form believing that any other life-form civilization wants to take over civilization wants to take over civilization wants to take over territories to go into it with thinking territories to go into it with thinking territories to go into it with thinking that okay this is an opposition that okay this is an opposition that okay this is an opposition I mean I I think that's a human trait of I mean I I think that's a human trait of I mean I I think that's a human trait of ours ours ours and to consider that another life and to consider that another life and to consider that another life form would have an interest form would have an interest form would have an interest that more land or more territory that more land or more territory that more land or more territory is good for them I think I think it's a is good for them I think I think it's a is good for them I think I think it's a shallow idea I don't think they're I shallow idea I don't think they're I shallow idea I don't think they're I think of it more like you know when I think of it more like you know when I think of it more like you know when I think of Heaven those considerations are think of Heaven those considerations are think of Heaven those considerations are not not not in in anyone's mind heart or

in in anyone's mind heart or in in anyone's mind heart or intent in the heaven that I think of you intent in the heaven that I think of you intent in the heaven that I think of you know so in other civilization these know so in other civilization these know so in other civilization these things I don't I mean I things I don't I mean I things I don't I mean I I hope that if we would just see and I hope that if we would just see and I hope that if we would just see and learn that would be the natural side of learn that would be the natural side of learn that would be the natural side of welcoming it wouldn't be a primate welcoming it wouldn't be a primate welcoming it wouldn't be a primate response to no I have fire and you're response to no I have fire and you're response to no I have fire and you're coming over trying to put it out or I coming over trying to put it out or I coming over trying to put it out or I have food and you're trying to steal my have food and you're trying to steal my have food and you're trying to steal my food I don't know how to I don't think food I don't know how to I don't think food I don't know how to I don't think it would be it would be it would be I think it's a shallow thought to think I think it's a shallow thought to think I think it's a shallow thought to think that oh it's going to be about ownership that oh it's going to be about ownership that oh it's going to be about ownership and we would be trespassing I think it and we would be trespassing I think it and we would be trespassing I think it would be I don't think they're would be I don't think they're would be I don't think they're would have a sense of borders as we do I would have a sense of borders as we do I would have a sense of borders as we do I just hope we humans are smart enough to just hope we humans are smart enough to just hope we humans are smart enough to detect and to see aliens detect and to see aliens detect and to see aliens because because of how different they because because of how different they because because of how different they are you know we don't we often have a are you know we don't we often have a are you know we don't we often have a very narrow definition of what is very narrow definition of what is very narrow definition of what is intelligence you know it's very possible intelligence you know it's very possible intelligence you know it's very possible that trees are extremely intelligent if that trees are extremely intelligent if that trees are extremely intelligent if we kind of zoom out at a different time we kind of zoom out at a different time we kind of zoom out at a different time scale or different like just look at scale or different like just look at scale or different like just look at stuff in a from a bigger perspective stuff in a from a bigger perspective stuff in a from a bigger perspective that that's outside of being so that that's outside of being so that that's outside of being so human-centric it's great human-centric it's great human-centric it's great quote that someone told me this quote that someone told me this quote that someone told me this astrophysicist told me this astrophysicist told me this astrophysicist told me this how accurate is or not someone else can how accurate is or not someone else can how accurate is or not someone else can argue the validity of what I'm about to argue the validity of what I'm about to argue the validity of what I'm about to say or not but I thought it really was a say or not but I thought it really was a say or not but I thought it really was a prospective grabber for me like look see prospective grabber for me like look see prospective grabber for me like look see the universe was created at midnight the universe was created at midnight the universe was created at midnight humans came around at 11 59 and 36 humans came around at 11 59 and 36 humans came around at 11 59 and 36 seconds I love little now these are that put

I love little now these are that put that frame like they make oh yeah the that frame like they make oh yeah the that frame like they make oh yeah the pale blue dot there it is that pale blue dot there it is that pale blue dot there it is that perspective something so relaxing and perspective something so relaxing and perspective something so relaxing and empowering about that empowering about that empowering about that at the same time and humbling at the same time and humbling at the same time and humbling but confidence boosting yeah you know but confidence boosting yeah you know but confidence boosting yeah you know allows forgiveness allows ambition allows forgiveness allows ambition allows forgiveness allows ambition um I just love the perspective of that um I just love the perspective of that um I just love the perspective of that that picture to picture it that way in that picture to picture it that way in that picture to picture it that way in our timeline our timeline our timeline do you hope humans become a multiplayer do you hope humans become a multiplayer do you hope humans become a multiplayer species species species as we're trying to do as a SpaceX is as we're trying to do as a SpaceX is as we're trying to do as a SpaceX is pushing forward pushing forward pushing forward trialing out to Mars potentially trialing out to Mars potentially trialing out to Mars potentially colonizing Mars colonizing other planets colonizing Mars colonizing other planets colonizing Mars colonizing other planets yeah yeah yeah I'm you yeah go explore I love the I'm you yeah go explore I love the I'm you yeah go explore I love the ambition ambition ambition of it I love the uh um of it I love the uh um of it I love the uh um pioneering nature I love the extension pioneering nature I love the extension pioneering nature I love the extension of what we consider as our backyard of what we consider as our backyard of what we consider as our backyard becoming more four-dimensional becoming more four-dimensional becoming more four-dimensional like that like that like that not at the expense of we still got stuff to take care of we've we still got stuff to take care of we've got Gardens to tend right here got Gardens to tend right here got Gardens to tend right here and sure as hell not to go not to quit and sure as hell not to go not to quit and sure as hell not to go not to quit on us to go oh let's get out of here on us to go oh let's get out of here on us to go oh let's get out of here because this isn't really working because this isn't really working because this isn't really working no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no we got a tithe we're still supposed to we got a tithe we're still supposed to we got a tithe we're still supposed to pay here we don't that's part of this pay here we don't that's part of this pay here we don't that's part of this pressure testing us as a civilization of pressure testing us as a civilization of pressure testing us as a civilization of the species

whether you call that restoration order whether you call that restoration order or whether you call that or whether you call that or whether you call that let's figure out how to adapt best we let's figure out how to adapt best we let's figure out how to adapt best we can uh can uh can uh no not at the expense of quitting no not at the expense of quitting no not at the expense of quitting here on Earth but we'll let a few a few here on Earth but we'll let a few a few here on Earth but we'll let a few a few select folks explore yeah because that's select folks explore yeah because that's select folks explore yeah because that's like uh I said go for it please one of like uh I said go for it please one of like uh I said go for it please one of the coolest things that we humans do is the coolest things that we humans do is the coolest things that we humans do is kind of embodies the human Spirit reach kind of embodies the human Spirit reach kind of embodies the human Spirit reach out into the unknown but it's hard but it's hard I mean as Interstellar shows and so on I mean as Interstellar shows and so on I mean as Interstellar shows and so on it's uh yeah as well Elon talks about it it's uh yeah as well Elon talks about it it's uh yeah as well Elon talks about it it's not going to be a it's not going to be a it's not going to be a weekend Daisy trip weekend Daisy trip weekend Daisy trip and he's just speculating how hard it and he's just speculating how hard it and he's just speculating how hard it could be much harder in different ways could be much harder in different ways could be much harder in different ways that he doesn't understand yet you know that he doesn't understand yet you know that he doesn't understand yet you know yeah yeah yeah well that you know that dance between well that you know that dance between well that you know that dance between the impossible and the inevitable that's the impossible and the inevitable that's the impossible and the inevitable that's definitely there definitely there definitely there with uh what SpaceX is doing with all with uh what SpaceX is doing with all with uh what SpaceX is doing with all the folks the folks the folks who are trying to become a multiplayer who are trying to become a multiplayer who are trying to become a multiplayer species are doing it's really hard species are doing it's really hard species are doing it's really hard it's like it's like it's like build rockets that fight off gravity build rockets that fight off gravity build rockets that fight off gravity at a cost-effective way at a cost-effective way at a cost-effective way is really hard SpaceX is close to being is really hard SpaceX is close to being is really hard SpaceX is close to being bankrupt several times it's just hard bankrupt several times it's just hard bankrupt several times it's just hard but it's also inspiring to that some but it's also inspiring to that some but it's also inspiring to that some people are just crazy enough bold enough people are just crazy enough bold enough people are just crazy enough bold enough to keep trying yeah what advice would you give to Young what advice would you give to Young Folks Folks Folks what advice would I give in high school

what advice would I give in high school what advice would I give in high school and college that are um thinking of how and college that are um thinking of how and college that are um thinking of how to make a their way in this world can you define what you have an innate can you define what you have an innate ability for ability for ability for and match that with what you're willing and match that with what you're willing and match that with what you're willing to hustle to get sometimes sometimes foreign foreign foreign we have an innate ability but we don't we have an innate ability but we don't we have an innate ability but we don't want to work for it we take it for want to work for it we take it for want to work for it we take it for granted and we end up doing something that may and we end up doing something that may work I pay the bills make it a spy day work I pay the bills make it a spy day work I pay the bills make it a spy day to day to day to day but we don't really like it we have but we don't really like it we have but we don't really like it we have trouble finding a way to enjoy it trouble finding a way to enjoy it trouble finding a way to enjoy it definitely don't love it definitely don't love it definitely don't love it and then sometimes and then sometimes and then sometimes we don't know what our innate ability is we don't know what our innate ability is we don't know what our innate ability is and we're hustling and working our tail and we're hustling and working our tail and we're hustling and working our tail off and breaking a sweat to do something off and breaking a sweat to do something off and breaking a sweat to do something that we really aren't that that we really aren't that that we really aren't that good at on an n a level on an n a level and that's a good challenge and you can and you can work and become good at something that you don't have an innate ability that you don't have an innate ability for but for but for but if you can match those two what do you if you can match those two what do you if you can match those two what do you have an innate ability because we have have an innate ability because we have have an innate ability because we have an innate ability to do when we do that an innate ability to do when we do that an innate ability to do when we do that well we do kind of enjoy it yeah and one well we do kind of enjoy it yeah and one well we do kind of enjoy it yeah and one of the things that requires is to kind of the things that requires is to kind of the things that requires is to kind of be really honest with yourself

of be really honest with yourself of be really honest with yourself at what your innate ability is because at what your innate ability is because at what your innate ability is because oftentimes there's a lot of noise when oftentimes there's a lot of noise when oftentimes there's a lot of noise when you're growing up people telling you you're growing up people telling you you're growing up people telling you what you're good at not good at like what you're good at not good at like what you're good at not good at like really you have to look at yourself really you have to look at yourself really you have to look at yourself listen to yourself that inner listen to yourself that inner listen to yourself that inner like a deep rigorous self-analysis of like a deep rigorous self-analysis of like a deep rigorous self-analysis of what am I actually good at not what I what am I actually good at not what I what am I actually good at not what I hope to be good at but what I'm actually hope to be good at but what I'm actually hope to be good at but what I'm actually good at right good at right good at right and then if you look at that and you can and then if you look at that and you can and then if you look at that and you can define those two hopefully hopefully there's you can you can activate it in a there's you can you can activate it in a there's you can you can activate it in a way where there's a demand for what you way where there's a demand for what you way where there's a demand for what you supply you fall in love with Camila Elvis you fall in love with Camila Elvis McConaughey uh what advice would you McConaughey uh what advice would you McConaughey uh what advice would you give to people on how to do just that give to people on how to do just that give to people on how to do just that how to find love [Laughter] [Laughter] that's a wonderful subject's been that's a wonderful subject's been that's a wonderful subject's been discussed since the beginning of time discussed since the beginning of time discussed since the beginning of time hadn't it love it hadn't it love it hadn't it love it um um um so I can tell you what things I've kind so I can tell you what things I've kind so I can tell you what things I've kind of learned and I'm still learning you know you know loves one of those mystical successes loves one of those mystical successes loves one of those mystical successes it doesn't make sense it it foreign you know when I was when I was you know when I was when I was before I met Camilla I had

before I met Camilla I had before I met Camilla I had I was coming onto my I was coming onto my I was coming onto my late 30s as much as I'm not a person late 30s as much as I'm not a person late 30s as much as I'm not a person that is Guided by timelines I was that is Guided by timelines I was that is Guided by timelines I was my life had not really added up to what my life had not really added up to what my life had not really added up to what I thought it was gonna be relationship I thought it was gonna be relationship I thought it was gonna be relationship wise I thought about that time I would wise I thought about that time I would wise I thought about that time I would have met the woman I loved married and have met the woman I loved married and have met the woman I loved married and started family and that hadn't happened started family and that hadn't happened started family and that hadn't happened and I did find myself doing that thing I was doing at the doing that thing I was doing at the Amazon looking around the corner Amazon looking around the corner Amazon looking around the corner any any any perspective possible female I met that I perspective possible female I met that I perspective possible female I met that I was attracted to I was like maybe it's was attracted to I was like maybe it's was attracted to I was like maybe it's the one the one the one I make the joke but it's true because I I make the joke but it's true because I I make the joke but it's true because I get every red light I'm like checking get every red light I'm like checking get every red light I'm like checking out who's next me in the produce section out who's next me in the produce section out who's next me in the produce section at the supermarket on My Chosen produce at the supermarket on My Chosen produce at the supermarket on My Chosen produce section you know it's like looking yeah you can also be a little intrusive you you can also be a little intrusive you can trespass on people's you can get can trespass on people's you can get can trespass on people's you can get outside of yourself you can be overly outside of yourself you can be overly outside of yourself you can be overly impressed and not as involved and have impressed and not as involved and have impressed and not as involved and have your own Constitution and sit back and your own Constitution and sit back and your own Constitution and sit back and therefore therefore therefore if you're outside of yourself you're if you're outside of yourself you're if you're outside of yourself you're less attractive less attractive less attractive to your possible mate I've got a series of I've got a series of dreams that I've written about but I had dreams that I've written about but I had dreams that I've written about but I had one then that was very spiritual that one then that was very spiritual that one then that was very spiritual that was me as a radio your 88 year old was me as a radio your 88 year old was me as a radio your 88 year old Bachelor who never got married and it Bachelor who never got married and it Bachelor who never got married and it was a beautiful dream was a beautiful dream was a beautiful dream we're on paper we're on paper we're on paper I thought that should be a nightmare it

I thought that should be a nightmare it I thought that should be a nightmare it wasn't what that dream did for him he wasn't what that dream did for him he wasn't what that dream did for him he was allowed me to go you may not you may not find the woman find the woman find the woman for you for you for you and get married and get married and get married not a life with her that may not be and for the first time in life I was and for the first time in life I was okay with that hmm okay with that hmm okay with that hmm not more than intellectually spiritually not more than intellectually spiritually not more than intellectually spiritually I was grounded I was like I was grounded I was like I was grounded I was like okay then I'm moving through the world and on then I'm moving through the world and on this particular night as myself not this particular night as myself not this particular night as myself not intruding I was inviting I did see her intruding I was inviting I did see her intruding I was inviting I did see her move across the room and did not say move across the room and did not say move across the room and did not say who is that I said what is that who is that I said what is that who is that I said what is that and then did and then did and then did move to collar across the room so I did move to collar across the room so I did move to collar across the room so I did invite but I was not outside of myself invite but I was not outside of myself invite but I was not outside of myself and I was able to be myself and I was able to be myself and I was able to be myself with her what my eyes saw with her what my eyes saw with her what my eyes saw everything that she turned out to be everything that she turned out to be everything that she turned out to be when when when the lens got zoomed in more details got the lens got zoomed in more details got the lens got zoomed in more details got known and we began to talk and got more known and we began to talk and got more known and we began to talk and got more intimate and closer together and spend intimate and closer together and spend intimate and closer together and spend more time became true and then some more time became true and then some more time became true and then some but not every single thing that I but not every single thing that I but not every single thing that I imagined when I saw her move across the imagined when I saw her move across the imagined when I saw her move across the room turned out to be true and then so room turned out to be true and then so room turned out to be true and then so in the just the image in the just the image in the just the image um um um we we we found a had a moral similar moral bottom found a had a moral similar moral bottom found a had a moral similar moral bottom line about life each other how we treat

line about life each other how we treat line about life each other how we treat ourselves what we respect what our own ourselves what we respect what our own ourselves what we respect what our own constitutions were we had similar constitutions were we had similar constitutions were we had similar uh uh uh perspectives on raising children which perspectives on raising children which perspectives on raising children which is very important is very important is very important to me and her to me and her to me and her and then we just in Jody says company and then we just in Jody says company and then we just in Jody says company yeah and we laughed together and we yeah and we laughed together and we yeah and we laughed together and we support each other we promoted more of support each other we promoted more of support each other we promoted more of each other and we lit each other's fire each other and we lit each other's fire each other and we lit each other's fire and we if one was rolling we kept and we if one was rolling we kept and we if one was rolling we kept addition you go go again take the next addition you go go again take the next addition you go go again take the next shot more more more shot more more more shot more more more this was a biggie too this was a biggie too this was a biggie too getting excited for each other's success getting excited for each other's success getting excited for each other's success yes yes yes yes yes yes to be able I think it's very important I think it's very important we all have jealousy we all have jealousy we all have jealousy I get it but it's very important to be I get it but it's very important to be I get it but it's very important to be able if you can able if you can able if you can be happy for your lover when they be happy for your lover when they be happy for your lover when they succeed succeed succeed or are succeeding or are across the room or are succeeding or are across the room or are succeeding or are across the room of the party Laughing With The Stranger of the party Laughing With The Stranger of the party Laughing With The Stranger to be happy for them when it has nothing to be happy for them when it has nothing to be happy for them when it has nothing to do with you she was I would be away she would the she was I would be away she would the questions and the talks we would have questions and the talks we would have questions and the talks we would have she was happy for me about how excited I she was happy for me about how excited I she was happy for me about how excited I was about my day and my date had nothing was about my day and my date had nothing was about my day and my date had nothing to do with her yeah she wasn't there and to do with her yeah she wasn't there and to do with her yeah she wasn't there and I found myself not telling myself to be I found myself not telling myself to be I found myself not telling myself to be happy for her but being really really happy for her but being really really happy for her but being really really happy for her when she would tell me happy for her when she would tell me happy for her when she would tell me about something that happened that day about something that happened that day about something that happened that day with her and as much as I went through

with her and as much as I went through with her and as much as I went through my head oh I'd have been great if I my head oh I'd have been great if I my head oh I'd have been great if I would have been there I was like not would have been there I was like not would have been there I was like not only trespass on that that you had that only trespass on that that you had that only trespass on that that you had that yeah independent of me yeah independent of me yeah independent of me Bravo Bravo Bravo that that's a choice you make not to not that that's a choice you make not to not that that's a choice you make not to not to give any time to the jealousy to the to give any time to the jealousy to the to give any time to the jealousy to the very natural jealousy that we humans very natural jealousy that we humans very natural jealousy that we humans have have have it sure doesn't happening I don't see it sure doesn't happening I don't see it sure doesn't happening I don't see the residuals in it the residuals in it the residuals in it true I've got it I've had it and I have true I've got it I've had it and I have true I've got it I've had it and I have it I just don't it I just don't it I just don't you know I haven't seen where it has any you know I haven't seen where it has any you know I haven't seen where it has any Payback Payback Payback I gotta ask you the biggest possible I gotta ask you the biggest possible I gotta ask you the biggest possible question question question uh what's the meaning of this whole uh what's the meaning of this whole uh what's the meaning of this whole thing oh what's the meaning of life thing oh what's the meaning of life thing oh what's the meaning of life right right right Matthew McConaughey Matthew McConaughey Matthew McConaughey why why why why are we here I don't know why I don't know why we're here I prescribe to we're here I prescribe to we're here I prescribe to in a religious sense the restoration in a religious sense the restoration in a religious sense the restoration order order order they're here to restore they're here to restore they're here to restore order and religious sense I really I order and religious sense I really I order and religious sense I really I purchased that and loved that incentive purchased that and loved that incentive purchased that and loved that incentive and love that and love that and love that that view that view that view but I don't really know why we're here but I don't really know why we're here but I don't really know why we're here but I do know but I do know but I do know to go back to the front we are here to go back to the front we are here to go back to the front we are here that part's inevitable that part's inevitable that part's inevitable so now let's flip the script and go to so now let's flip the script and go to so now let's flip the script and go to the why not just keep living what what are we doing just keep living what what are we doing the base of everything Eric and we can

the base of everything Eric and we can the base of everything Eric and we can argue it off at the base of it argue it off at the base of it argue it off at the base of it I can get all I can come up with is I can get all I can come up with is I can get all I can come up with is what just keep living man I mean what what just keep living man I mean what what just keep living man I mean what else are we supposed to do when we don't else are we supposed to do when we don't else are we supposed to do when we don't have any idea what to do have any idea what to do have any idea what to do whom we know exactly what we want to do even when it doesn't matter that matters even when it doesn't matter that matters not not not for what I don't know for the fun of it for what I don't know for the fun of it for what I don't know for the fun of it that matters that matters that matters yeah our ability to create meaning and yeah our ability to create meaning and yeah our ability to create meaning and Beauty in the mundane in the Absurd it's Beauty in the mundane in the Absurd it's Beauty in the mundane in the Absurd it's kind of cool yeah yeah kind of cool yeah yeah kind of cool yeah yeah and then we share with each other yeah and then we share with each other yeah and then we share with each other yeah or get excited yeah and we create some or get excited yeah and we create some or get excited yeah and we create some pretty cool stuff along the way pretty cool stuff along the way pretty cool stuff along the way I mean I I say I'm confident enough that I might I say I'm confident enough that I might be arrogant of me to say but I I I I do be arrogant of me to say but I I I I do be arrogant of me to say but I I I I do believe that we're here to each generation have that we're here to each generation have a small Ascension yeah a small Ascension yeah a small Ascension yeah or else or else or else what's it for and we're not really sure what's it for and we're not really sure what's it for and we're not really sure what the Ascension is towards just kind what the Ascension is towards just kind what the Ascension is towards just kind of of of no it's just I think good job I do no it's just I think good job I do no it's just I think good job I do things to stop I do think things to stop I do think things to stop I do think that it is it is definitely arrogant to think that that we as a species or generation or people

we as a species or generation or people we as a species or generation or people or Humanity are going to reach the top or Humanity are going to reach the top or Humanity are going to reach the top of the ascended staircase and go tada of the ascended staircase and go tada of the ascended staircase and go tada I think that's a I think that is not I think that's a I think that is not I think that's a I think that is not only false but I think it's full-hearted only false but I think it's full-hearted only false but I think it's full-hearted and I think it's his recipe for being and I think it's his recipe for being and I think it's his recipe for being having more angst and and even cynicism having more angst and and even cynicism having more angst and and even cynicism we talked about and unrest and lack of we talked about and unrest and lack of we talked about and unrest and lack of seeing Beauty and joy in this life while seeing Beauty and joy in this life while seeing Beauty and joy in this life while we're in it um I think um I think Life's a verb live it as best we can hopefully I mean live it as best we can hopefully I mean I don't know sometimes I'm just I don't I don't know sometimes I'm just I don't I don't know sometimes I'm just I don't have a grand plan man I'm just trying to have a grand plan man I'm just trying to have a grand plan man I'm just trying to connect the damn Dot connect the damn Dot connect the damn Dot I'm confused frustrated I don't know I'm confused frustrated I don't know I'm confused frustrated I don't know what I don't feel any gravity or what I don't feel any gravity or what I don't feel any gravity or building or lineage towards what I'm building or lineage towards what I'm building or lineage towards what I'm doing and I'm just like going what's that Peterson line if we don't what's that Peterson line if we don't believe in heaven do it you do what you believe in heaven do it you do what you believe in heaven do it you do what you can to get as far away from hell as can to get as far away from hell as can to get as far away from hell as possible sometimes possible sometimes possible sometimes it's a great line sometimes I'm just it's a great line sometimes I'm just it's a great line sometimes I'm just trying to like man just don't don't sink trying to like man just don't don't sink trying to like man just don't don't sink the ship right now just keep your head the ship right now just keep your head the ship right now just keep your head above water above water above water maintain just try and hold on maintain just try and hold on maintain just try and hold on and uh hopefully give yourself a chance and uh hopefully give yourself a chance and uh hopefully give yourself a chance to notice the magic the mystical to notice the magic the mystical to notice the magic the mystical I try to do that yeah when it gets rough I try to do that yeah when it gets rough I try to do that yeah when it gets rough because it's there I do believe it's all because it's there I do believe it's all because it's there I do believe it's all around us all the time yeah yeah just around us all the time yeah yeah just around us all the time yeah yeah just are we on our frequency and do we allow are we on our frequency and do we allow are we on our frequency and do we allow ourselves to receive it and see it we ourselves to receive it and see it we ourselves to receive it and see it we gotta tune the radio yeah gotta tune the radio yeah gotta tune the radio yeah because we look for it too hard we

because we look for it too hard we because we look for it too hard we see false idols and if we don't look at see false idols and if we don't look at see false idols and if we don't look at all we come callous and miss it all yeah all we come callous and miss it all yeah all we come callous and miss it all yeah it's a fun little life we got yeah it's a fun little life we got yeah it's a fun little life we got yeah Matthew uh Matthew uh Matthew uh I'm a huge fan I think you're an I'm a huge fan I think you're an I'm a huge fan I think you're an incredible person incredible person incredible person um thank you for all the everything um thank you for all the everything um thank you for all the everything you've created in this world thank you you've created in this world thank you you've created in this world thank you for being a unique for being a unique for being a unique human that inspires millions and thank human that inspires millions and thank human that inspires millions and thank you for talking today I was nervous but you for talking today I was nervous but you for talking today I was nervous but you made me feel at home that's you made me feel at home that's you made me feel at home that's beautiful beautiful beautiful well if I felt at home talking with you well if I felt at home talking with you well if I felt at home talking with you as well thanks for sharing that with me as well thanks for sharing that with me as well thanks for sharing that with me just two Texans that's right just two Texans that's right just two Texans that's right Austin Texas here we go all right thank Austin Texas here we go all right thank Austin Texas here we go all right thank you brother thank you you brother thank you you brother thank you thanks for listening to this thanks for listening to this thanks for listening to this conversation with Matthew McConaughey to conversation with Matthew McConaughey to conversation with Matthew McConaughey to support this podcast please check out support this podcast please check out support this podcast please check out our sponsors in the description and now our sponsors in the description and now our sponsors in the description and now let me leave you with some words from let me leave you with some words from let me leave you with some words from Matthew McConaughey himself Matthew McConaughey himself Matthew McConaughey himself don't walk into a place like you want to don't walk into a place like you want to don't walk into a place like you want to buy it buy it buy it walk in like you own it walk in like you own it walk in like you own it thank you for listening I hope to see thank you for listening I hope to see thank you for listening I hope to see you next time