Andrew Callaghan: Channel 5, Gonzo, QAnon, O-Block, Politics & Alex Jones | Lex Fridman Podcast #425

there's two people in the back two of there's two people in the back two of her home girls wearing like shyy masks her home girls wearing like shyy masks her home girls wearing like shyy masks I'm like what are we doing where are we I'm like what are we doing where are we I'm like what are we doing where are we going and she goes we're going to go going and she goes we're going to go going and she goes we're going to go film The Riot we're going to Lake Street film The Riot we're going to Lake Street film The Riot we're going to Lake Street and so we drive down there Kmart is and so we drive down there Kmart is and so we drive down there Kmart is burning Target is burning everything is burning Target is burning everything is burning Target is burning everything is on on on fire she has the Sony A7 she gives me a fire she has the Sony A7 she gives me a fire she has the Sony A7 she gives me a microphone and she's like go talk to microphone and she's like go talk to microphone and she's like go talk to that guy and that was a guy with a that guy and that was a guy with a that guy and that was a guy with a Molotov cocktail in his hand who had Molotov cocktail in his hand who had Molotov cocktail in his hand who had just burned Kmart down and so I go what just burned Kmart down and so I go what just burned Kmart down and so I go what should I ask him she goes what's on your should I ask him she goes what's on your should I ask him she goes what's on your mind so I walk up to him and I'm like mind so I walk up to him and I'm like mind so I walk up to him and I'm like what's on your what's on your what's on your mind the following is a conversation mind the following is a conversation mind the following is a conversation with Andrew callagan host of Channel 5 with Andrew callagan host of Channel 5 with Andrew callagan host of Channel 5 on YouTube where he does Gonzo style on YouTube where he does Gonzo style on YouTube where he does Gonzo style interviews with fascinating humans at interviews with fascinating humans at interviews with fascinating humans at the edges of society the so-called the edges of society the so-called the edges of society the so-called vagrants vagabonds runaways Outlaws from vagrants vagabonds runaways Outlaws from vagrants vagabonds runaways Outlaws from qinon adherence to fish heads to oblock qinon adherence to fish heads to oblock qinon adherence to fish heads to oblock Residents and much more he created the Residents and much more he created the Residents and much more he created the documentary that I highly recommend documentary that I highly recommend documentary that I highly recommend called this place rules on the unocc called this place rules on the unocc called this place rules on the unocc currence that led to the January 6th currence that led to the January 6th currence that led to the January 6th Capital Capital Capital riots this is the Le scamman podcast to riots this is the Le scamman podcast to riots this is the Le scamman podcast to support it please check out our sponsors support it please check out our sponsors support it please check out our sponsors in the description and now dear friends in the description and now dear friends in the description and now dear friends here's Andrew here's Andrew here's Andrew Cagan I tried to color match you though Cagan I tried to color match you though Cagan I tried to color match you though got the black and white going I went to got the black and white going I went to got the black and white going I went to Walmart before this and got the Wrangler Walmart before this and got the Wrangler Walmart before this and got the Wrangler shirt with the uh Texas Longhorns tea is shirt with the uh Texas Longhorns tea is shirt with the uh Texas Longhorns tea is that where you shop Walmart generally that where you shop Walmart generally that where you shop Walmart generally yeah I'm a Target man myself there's no yeah I'm a Target man myself there's no yeah I'm a Target man myself there's no way you get those suits from Target you way you get those suits from Target you way you get those suits from Target you so you're saying it's a it's a nice way

so you're saying it's a it's a nice way so you're saying it's a it's a nice way to compliment a suit I think you go to compliment a suit I think you go to compliment a suit I think you go Men's Warehouse if not further I think Men's Warehouse if not further I think Men's Warehouse if not further I think you would be wrong you go further no the you would be wrong you go further no the you would be wrong you go further no the other direction you got that from Target other direction you got that from Target other direction you got that from Target not Target I was joking about Target I not Target I was joking about Target I not Target I was joking about Target I like Walmart better it just felt like a like Walmart better it just felt like a like Walmart better it just felt like a funny thing to say no it was funny the funny thing to say no it was funny the funny thing to say no it was funny the most expensive thing I own is this watch most expensive thing I own is this watch most expensive thing I own is this watch and it was G given to me as a gift yeah and it was G given to me as a gift yeah and it was G given to me as a gift yeah when I was on tour I had these $2,700 when I was on tour I had these $2,700 when I was on tour I had these $2,700 cardier glasses that I got for a lot of cardier glasses that I got for a lot of cardier glasses that I got for a lot of money money money $2,700 uh like sunglasses yeah they were $2,700 uh like sunglasses yeah they were $2,700 uh like sunglasses yeah they were really embarrassing mhm but I was on really embarrassing mhm but I was on really embarrassing mhm but I was on tour so I just felt like I could do tour so I just felt like I could do tour so I just felt like I could do anything as far as fashion choices but anything as far as fashion choices but anything as far as fashion choices but looking looking back at pictures from looking looking back at pictures from looking looking back at pictures from myself in that era I'm like God so that myself in that era I'm like God so that myself in that era I'm like God so that was the symbol of of the fame got to was the symbol of of the fame got to was the symbol of of the fame got to your head I think so yeah I think Fame your head I think so yeah I think Fame your head I think so yeah I think Fame getting to your head if you spend more getting to your head if you spend more getting to your head if you spend more than a 100 bucks on sunglasses you've than a 100 bucks on sunglasses you've than a 100 bucks on sunglasses you've officially gone off the de you crossed officially gone off the de you crossed officially gone off the de you crossed the line totally and that's where you uh the line totally and that's where you uh the line totally and that's where you uh go back to Walmart to humble yourself I go back to Walmart to humble yourself I go back to Walmart to humble yourself I really love Walmart in fact I moved to really love Walmart in fact I moved to really love Walmart in fact I moved to Austin because I was at Walmart and a Austin because I was at Walmart and a Austin because I was at Walmart and a lady said that I look handsome in a suit lady said that I look handsome in a suit lady said that I look handsome in a suit h and I was like that's it I love this h and I was like that's it I love this h and I was like that's it I love this place she just said it for no reason place she just said it for no reason place she just said it for no reason whatsoever this older lady just kind of whatsoever this older lady just kind of whatsoever this older lady just kind of looked at me and with this like genuine looked at me and with this like genuine looked at me and with this like genuine sweetness just said oh you look handsome sweetness just said oh you look handsome sweetness just said oh you look handsome she she's not wrong man thank you that's she she's not wrong man thank you that's she she's not wrong man thank you that's part of your whole swag though oh yeah part of your whole swag though oh yeah part of your whole swag though oh yeah the suit thing yep anyway uh what was the suit thing yep anyway uh what was the suit thing yep anyway uh what was the first if you remember first recorded the first if you remember first recorded the first if you remember first recorded interview you did well like my first interview you did well like my first interview you did well like my first grade teacher Mrs Claudia we had this is grade teacher Mrs Claudia we had this is grade teacher Mrs Claudia we had this is back in the day like I was telling you back in the day like I was telling you back in the day like I was telling you we just asked her about her life in we just asked her about her life in we just asked her about her life in Colombia and stuff like that but I

Colombia and stuff like that but I Colombia and stuff like that but I didn't really get into actual journalism didn't really get into actual journalism didn't really get into actual journalism until my nth grade year I had no idea I until my nth grade year I had no idea I until my nth grade year I had no idea I had an interest in it before then I had an interest in it before then I had an interest in it before then I wanted to be a rapper it's all about wanted to be a rapper it's all about wanted to be a rapper it's all about hip-hop and meditation and uh picking hip-hop and meditation and uh picking hip-hop and meditation and uh picking psilocybin mushrooms and public parks psilocybin mushrooms and public parks psilocybin mushrooms and public parks and stuff like that that's what I was and stuff like that that's what I was and stuff like that that's what I was into that's a lot so Si been meditation into that's a lot so Si been meditation into that's a lot so Si been meditation rap public parks yeah I was making like rap public parks yeah I was making like rap public parks yeah I was making like conscious rap music like I was to the conscious rap music like I was to the conscious rap music like I was to the point where I had like four dream point where I had like four dream point where I had like four dream catchers hanging above my bed Alex Gray catchers hanging above my bed Alex Gray catchers hanging above my bed Alex Gray painting on the wall tapestry on the SE painting on the wall tapestry on the SE painting on the wall tapestry on the SE just scribbling Rhymes down all the time just scribbling Rhymes down all the time just scribbling Rhymes down all the time so you said somewhere that you sucked at so you said somewhere that you sucked at so you said somewhere that you sucked at school okay well let me let's step back school okay well let me let's step back school okay well let me let's step back a little bit so I had this amazing a little bit so I had this amazing a little bit so I had this amazing journalism course in ninth grade I went journalism course in ninth grade I went journalism course in ninth grade I went to an alternative high school and the to an alternative high school and the to an alternative high school and the teacher was named Calvin Shaw and he was teacher was named Calvin Shaw and he was teacher was named Calvin Shaw and he was just like he I I ended up taking his just like he I I ended up taking his just like he I I ended up taking his class all four years and he used to let class all four years and he used to let class all four years and he used to let me actually leave school like SK I me actually leave school like SK I me actually leave school like SK I didn't like going to school so he'd let didn't like going to school so he'd let didn't like going to school so he'd let me basically go around Seattle and do me basically go around Seattle and do me basically go around Seattle and do different interviews with people as long different interviews with people as long different interviews with people as long as I could come back by the end of the as I could come back by the end of the as I could come back by the end of the day and write a story for his class and day and write a story for his class and day and write a story for his class and he'd Mark me as present so the first he'd Mark me as present so the first he'd Mark me as present so the first article that I wrote was about the the article that I wrote was about the the article that I wrote was about the the Silk Road in the Deep Silk Road in the Deep Silk Road in the Deep Web cuz you know yeah as a ninth grader Web cuz you know yeah as a ninth grader Web cuz you know yeah as a ninth grader when I discovered the hidden wiki I when I discovered the hidden wiki I when I discovered the hidden wiki I thought that I was like really tapping thought that I was like really tapping thought that I was like really tapping into like the the most secret society into like the the most secret society into like the the most secret society Elite level Black Market in the world Elite level Black Market in the world Elite level Black Market in the world and so if you remember they had that and so if you remember they had that and so if you remember they had that hidden wik link that was like hire a hidden wik link that was like hire a hidden wik link that was like hire a hitman you know and so I I messaged them hitman you know and so I I messaged them hitman you know and so I I messaged them and I was like all right you know I want and I was like all right you know I want and I was like all right you know I want to get someone killed at my school like to get someone killed at my school like to get someone killed at my school like how much is it going to cost me and I how much is it going to cost me and I how much is it going to cost me and I published my interview with the hidden published my interview with the hidden published my interview with the hidden wiki Hitman it was probably a fed or wiki Hitman it was probably a fed or wiki Hitman it was probably a fed or something but who knows and that my

something but who knows and that my something but who knows and that my first article was called like inside the first article was called like inside the first article was called like inside the Deep Web a conversation with a Hitman Deep Web a conversation with a Hitman Deep Web a conversation with a Hitman that's nice yeah I mean you're were that's nice yeah I mean you're were that's nice yeah I mean you're were Fearless even then I mean I was hiding Fearless even then I mean I was hiding Fearless even then I mean I was hiding behind a a tour browser so there's not behind a a tour browser so there's not behind a a tour browser so there's not much fear to be had oh so it was much fear to be had oh so it was much fear to be had oh so it was Anonymous it was Anonymous but I did Anonymous it was Anonymous but I did Anonymous it was Anonymous but I did publish it under my name so you're right publish it under my name so you're right publish it under my name so you're right I could have been could have been in I could have been could have been in I could have been could have been in danger I also saw that he said he took danger I also saw that he said he took danger I also saw that he said he took too many shrooms when you were young and too many shrooms when you were young and too many shrooms when you were young and that led you to have huc Cogen that led you to have huc Cogen that led you to have huc Cogen persisting perception disorder hppd can persisting perception disorder hppd can persisting perception disorder hppd can you explain what this is well that you explain what this is well that you explain what this is well that condition is classified by persistent condition is classified by persistent condition is classified by persistent visual snow floaters morphing objects visual snow floaters morphing objects visual snow floaters morphing objects like I see them right now I see them all like I see them right now I see them all like I see them right now I see them all the time this the snow is in the room the time this the snow is in the room the time this the snow is in the room the snow is definitely in the room it's the snow is definitely in the room it's the snow is definitely in the room it's all over you and uh all over you and uh all over you and uh basically it wasn't that I took too many basically it wasn't that I took too many basically it wasn't that I took too many shrooms I think that it was I took I shrooms I think that it was I took I shrooms I think that it was I took I took about an eighth of SII Essence took about an eighth of SII Essence took about an eighth of SII Essence mushrooms which are the ones that from mushrooms which are the ones that from mushrooms which are the ones that from the earth instead of cow shit and I took the earth instead of cow shit and I took the earth instead of cow shit and I took an eighth of those at my friend Toby's an eighth of those at my friend Toby's an eighth of those at my friend Toby's house and which is a normal amount but I house and which is a normal amount but I house and which is a normal amount but I was in eighth grade so I woke up the was in eighth grade so I woke up the was in eighth grade so I woke up the next morning with these extreme you know next morning with these extreme you know next morning with these extreme you know Visual distortions and I thought that it Visual distortions and I thought that it Visual distortions and I thought that it would go away I tried to make it go away would go away I tried to make it go away would go away I tried to make it go away but there was there's really no cure for but there was there's really no cure for but there was there's really no cure for hppd it's a lifelong condition so it's hppd it's a lifelong condition so it's hppd it's a lifelong condition so it's just a matter of dealing with it and just a matter of dealing with it and just a matter of dealing with it and realizing that it is only visual so when realizing that it is only visual so when realizing that it is only visual so when people ask me hey I have hppd how do I people ask me hey I have hppd how do I people ask me hey I have hppd how do I cope with it I say remember that every cope with it I say remember that every cope with it I say remember that every other sense that you have what you can other sense that you have what you can other sense that you have what you can hear what you can taste you know your hear what you can taste you know your hear what you can taste you know your feet on the ground you're still on Earth feet on the ground you're still on Earth feet on the ground you're still on Earth you're still here well you said it's

you're still here well you said it's you're still here well you said it's only visual mhm and yes it's gratitude only visual mhm and yes it's gratitude only visual mhm and yes it's gratitude for being alive at all it's great but for being alive at all it's great but for being alive at all it's great but you said that this led you into some you said that this led you into some you said that this led you into some dark psychological places like dark psychological places like dark psychological places like depersonalization disorder yeah depersonalization disorder yeah depersonalization disorder yeah depersonalization is the feeling that depersonalization is the feeling that depersonalization is the feeling that you are not real but that reality still you are not real but that reality still you are not real but that reality still exists D realization is the idea that exists D realization is the idea that exists D realization is the idea that reality itself is an illusion created by reality itself is an illusion created by reality itself is an illusion created by your mind and that you're the only your mind and that you're the only your mind and that you're the only person alive and that everything that person alive and that everything that person alive and that everything that your brain is projecting to your visual your brain is projecting to your visual your brain is projecting to your visual cortex is a lie and that you're the only cortex is a lie and that you're the only cortex is a lie and that you're the only living human being both a pretty uh living human being both a pretty uh living human being both a pretty uh intense hppd creates both of those intense hppd creates both of those intense hppd creates both of those things and so when I've talked to people things and so when I've talked to people things and so when I've talked to people who have the condition it's really who have the condition it's really who have the condition it's really either or but more than 70% of people either or but more than 70% of people either or but more than 70% of people with hppd fall into either category with hppd fall into either category with hppd fall into either category they're both coping mechanisms for the they're both coping mechanisms for the they're both coping mechanisms for the like I don't know what really happens I like I don't know what really happens I like I don't know what really happens I talked to a researcher once named Dr talked to a researcher once named Dr talked to a researcher once named Dr Abraham he lives in Upstate New York Abraham he lives in Upstate New York Abraham he lives in Upstate New York he's the leading scientists when it he's the leading scientists when it he's the leading scientists when it comes to hppd research he's the only one comes to hppd research he's the only one comes to hppd research he's the only one who actually seems to care about finding who actually seems to care about finding who actually seems to care about finding a cure and the only known treatment a cure and the only known treatment a cure and the only known treatment right now is alcohol and benzo diaphin right now is alcohol and benzo diaphin right now is alcohol and benzo diaphin that's not good right so alcoholism that's not good right so alcoholism that's not good right so alcoholism something that came into my life pretty something that came into my life pretty something that came into my life pretty early alcohol abuse as a result of that early alcohol abuse as a result of that early alcohol abuse as a result of that experience because that helps with the experience because that helps with the experience because that helps with the visual symptoms make some of the static visual symptoms make some of the static visual symptoms make some of the static go away man never tried benzo though so go away man never tried benzo though so go away man never tried benzo though so what so can you explain to me where in what so can you explain to me where in what so can you explain to me where in that Spectrum you are like so do you that Spectrum you are like so do you that Spectrum you are like so do you sometimes have a sense that you're not sometimes have a sense that you're not sometimes have a sense that you're not real and something else is not real like real and something else is not real like real and something else is not real like the reality is not real yeah I

the reality is not real yeah I the reality is not real yeah I experience it all the time you know but experience it all the time you know but experience it all the time you know but like I said my job helps with that like I said my job helps with that like I said my job helps with that because I get to feel like um you know because I get to feel like um you know because I get to feel like um you know when you seek out extremes to a certain when you seek out extremes to a certain when you seek out extremes to a certain extent and you put yourself on the front extent and you put yourself on the front extent and you put yourself on the front lines of intense events whether it be lines of intense events whether it be lines of intense events whether it be politically or socially or just dive politically or socially or just dive politically or socially or just dive into deep Fringe subcultures you get into deep Fringe subcultures you get into deep Fringe subcultures you get this feeling that you're real and being this feeling that you're real and being this feeling that you're real and being filmed is also a confirmation if you can filmed is also a confirmation if you can filmed is also a confirmation if you can look at the mp4 file that you're in fact look at the mp4 file that you're in fact look at the mp4 file that you're in fact living here on Earth confirming that you living here on Earth confirming that you living here on Earth confirming that you were in it with reality by watching were in it with reality by watching were in it with reality by watching yourself on video exactly so that is yourself on video exactly so that is yourself on video exactly so that is that basically the engine behind all the that basically the engine behind all the that basically the engine behind all the extreme interviews you've done well I extreme interviews you've done well I extreme interviews you've done well I got hppd around the same time that I got hppd around the same time that I got hppd around the same time that I began this journalism course in nth began this journalism course in nth began this journalism course in nth grade so I sort of always Ed journalism grade so I sort of always Ed journalism grade so I sort of always Ed journalism as a therapeutic mechanism to deal with as a therapeutic mechanism to deal with as a therapeutic mechanism to deal with some of these symptoms especially some of these symptoms especially some of these symptoms especially depersonalization there's some pretty depersonalization there's some pretty depersonalization there's some pretty good illustrations of what it feels like good illustrations of what it feels like good illustrations of what it feels like kind of feels like you're trapped behind kind of feels like you're trapped behind kind of feels like you're trapped behind your eyes or that you're just this like your eyes or that you're just this like your eyes or that you're just this like nebulous Soul that's trapped in a flesh nebulous Soul that's trapped in a flesh nebulous Soul that's trapped in a flesh suit that you're not really a part of suit that you're not really a part of suit that you're not really a part of you're sort of puppeteering a flesh and you're sort of puppeteering a flesh and you're sort of puppeteering a flesh and bone skin suit trapped or just the bone skin suit trapped or just the bone skin suit trapped or just the ability to step outside of yourself you ability to step outside of yourself you ability to step outside of yourself you feel like your soul is not something feel like your soul is not something feel like your soul is not something that is connected to your body it's that is connected to your body it's that is connected to your body it's something living in your head it's something living in your head it's something living in your head it's really hard to explain to people who really hard to explain to people who really hard to explain to people who haven't gone through derealization or haven't gone through derealization or haven't gone through derealization or depersonalization but if you go on depersonalization but if you go on depersonalization but if you go on support groups they always say like how support groups they always say like how support groups they always say like how do I break free from behind my eyes like do I break free from behind my eyes like do I break free from behind my eyes like dark stuff like that also you're trapped dark stuff like that also you're trapped dark stuff like that also you're trapped I mean there's a higher state of being I mean there's a higher state of being I mean there's a higher state of being through meditation that you can kind of through meditation that you can kind of through meditation that you can kind of step outside of yourself but this is not step outside of yourself but this is not step outside of yourself but this is not that unfortunately it was kind of the

that unfortunately it was kind of the that unfortunately it was kind of the meditative path or you know the Eastern meditative path or you know the Eastern meditative path or you know the Eastern path that I took and kind of Fus that path that I took and kind of Fus that path that I took and kind of Fus that with psychedelic culture in Seattle that with psychedelic culture in Seattle that with psychedelic culture in Seattle that took me down the Psychedelic use rabbit took me down the Psychedelic use rabbit took me down the Psychedelic use rabbit hole in the first place so like I'd say hole in the first place so like I'd say hole in the first place so like I'd say it all started with sadara sadara that's it all started with sadara sadara that's it all started with sadara sadara that's a good book have you done sh since then a good book have you done sh since then a good book have you done sh since then no I don't really do psychedelic drugs no I don't really do psychedelic drugs no I don't really do psychedelic drugs but like a lot of people think that I'm but like a lot of people think that I'm but like a lot of people think that I'm against them which I'm not just doesn't against them which I'm not just doesn't against them which I'm not just doesn't work for me if it works for I'm sure work for me if it works for I'm sure work for me if it works for I'm sure they can be really fun especially I know they can be really fun especially I know they can be really fun especially I know there's lots of like therapeutic uses there's lots of like therapeutic uses there's lots of like therapeutic uses for acid and ketamine and psilocybin but for acid and ketamine and psilocybin but for acid and ketamine and psilocybin but I personally abstain from those kind of I personally abstain from those kind of I personally abstain from those kind of anything psychotropic I try to stay away anything psychotropic I try to stay away anything psychotropic I try to stay away from drinking a bit well yeah I mean I from drinking a bit well yeah I mean I from drinking a bit well yeah I mean I didn't drink at all before I had the didn't drink at all before I had the didn't drink at all before I had the hppd stuff and I would have drank later hppd stuff and I would have drank later hppd stuff and I would have drank later in life but definitely like 14 15 every in life but definitely like 14 15 every in life but definitely like 14 15 every day after school I drink a a 40 oz of day after school I drink a a 40 oz of day after school I drink a a 40 oz of Mickey's it's like a kind of looks like Mickey's it's like a kind of looks like Mickey's it's like a kind of looks like Old English but the bottle's green and Old English but the bottle's green and Old English but the bottle's green and it has a Hornet on the side of it just it has a Hornet on the side of it just it has a Hornet on the side of it just kind of became a ritual just to deal kind of became a ritual just to deal kind of became a ritual just to deal with the anxiety of of that situation with the anxiety of of that situation with the anxiety of of that situation and it made the the snow go away yeah and it made the the snow go away yeah and it made the the snow go away yeah alcohol really works to suppress hppd alcohol really works to suppress hppd alcohol really works to suppress hppd symptoms so you said you hated classes symptoms so you said you hated classes symptoms so you said you hated classes in school except that journalism class in school except that journalism class in school except that journalism class okay we need to clear this up because on okay we need to clear this up because on okay we need to clear this up because on my Wikipedia page for some reason for my Wikipedia page for some reason for my Wikipedia page for some reason for Andrew Callahan early life it says Andrew Callahan early life it says Andrew Callahan early life it says Andrew hated every single class except Andrew hated every single class except Andrew hated every single class except for one yeah so I've had a bunch of for one yeah so I've had a bunch of for one yeah so I've had a bunch of teachers who were super cool like this teachers who were super cool like this teachers who were super cool like this guy Tim my astronomy professor in ninth guy Tim my astronomy professor in ninth guy Tim my astronomy professor in ninth grade Miss zetti my creative writing grade Miss zetti my creative writing grade Miss zetti my creative writing teacher in sixth grade and this really teacher in sixth grade and this really teacher in sixth grade and this really cool dude at my college in New Orleans cool dude at my college in New Orleans cool dude at my college in New Orleans named Charles Canon who taught me a named Charles Canon who taught me a named Charles Canon who taught me a class called New Orleans mythology my class called New Orleans mythology my class called New Orleans mythology my three favorite classes besides my

three favorite classes besides my three favorite classes besides my journalism class and they all hit they journalism class and they all hit they journalism class and they all hit they all hit me up and they're like hey man all hit me up and they're like hey man all hit me up and they're like hey man saw you said you hated every class ex saw you said you hated every class ex saw you said you hated every class ex sorry I couldn't be everything that you sorry I couldn't be everything that you sorry I couldn't be everything that you wanted me to be yeah and so I just want wanted me to be yeah and so I just want wanted me to be yeah and so I just want to say shout out to all those teachers I to say shout out to all those teachers I to say shout out to all those teachers I didn't hate every class the point that I didn't hate every class the point that I didn't hate every class the point that I was making is that being forced into the was making is that being forced into the was making is that being forced into the institution of school so young and institution of school so young and institution of school so young and having to take common core classes like having to take common core classes like having to take common core classes like biology biology biology seting frogs history of the Han Dynasty seting frogs history of the Han Dynasty seting frogs history of the Han Dynasty stuff like that that I didn't want to stuff like that that I didn't want to stuff like that that I didn't want to learn but I had to learn multiple times learn but I had to learn multiple times learn but I had to learn multiple times I mean I learned about the dynastic I mean I learned about the dynastic I mean I learned about the dynastic cycle in ancient China three separate cycle in ancient China three separate cycle in ancient China three separate times at three different schools and I times at three different schools and I times at three different schools and I was like who is writing this curriculum was like who is writing this curriculum was like who is writing this curriculum and why is it so important that I and why is it so important that I and why is it so important that I understand this process yeah the part understand this process yeah the part understand this process yeah the part that makes School difficult especially that makes School difficult especially that makes School difficult especially in college is that you have people just in college is that you have people just in college is that you have people just going to school just to get the degree going to school just to get the degree going to school just to get the degree who don't really know exactly what who don't really know exactly what who don't really know exactly what they're interested in and they don't they're interested in and they don't they're interested in and they don't even have time to figure that out even have time to figure that out even have time to figure that out because they're in a bus Business because they're in a bus Business because they're in a bus Business program or a Communications program with program or a Communications program with program or a Communications program with no specific interest well I think if you no specific interest well I think if you no specific interest well I think if you want to do school right take on every want to do school right take on every want to do school right take on every single subject that you're forced into single subject that you're forced into single subject that you're forced into it's like the David Foster Wallace just it's like the David Foster Wallace just it's like the David Foster Wallace just be un Boral by it just really go in as be un Boral by it just really go in as be un Boral by it just really go in as if uh ancient Chinese dynasties are the if uh ancient Chinese dynasties are the if uh ancient Chinese dynasties are the most interesting thing you could most interesting thing you could most interesting thing you could possibly learn and it is somewhat possibly learn and it is somewhat possibly learn and it is somewhat interesting the Silk Road and the the interesting the Silk Road and the the interesting the Silk Road and the the great wall and Terracotta soldiers and great wall and Terracotta soldiers and great wall and Terracotta soldiers and stuff but I'm just saying like uh when I stuff but I'm just saying like uh when I stuff but I'm just saying like uh when I got to college I signed up for got to college I signed up for got to college I signed up for journalism school right and I didn't get journalism school right and I didn't get journalism school right and I didn't get to take a media class until the second to take a media class until the second to take a media class until the second semester and you know I I had to take semester and you know I I had to take semester and you know I I had to take everything prior to that and I'd already everything prior to that and I'd already everything prior to that and I'd already spent so much time I just think the

spent so much time I just think the spent so much time I just think the excruciating boredom of schooling left a excruciating boredom of schooling left a excruciating boredom of schooling left a bad taste in my mouth but there was bad taste in my mouth but there was bad taste in my mouth but there was individual classes that I liked a lot individual classes that I liked a lot individual classes that I liked a lot yeah there should be some yeah there should be some yeah there should be some choice or maybe a lot of choice even at choice or maybe a lot of choice even at choice or maybe a lot of choice even at the level of high school for what what the level of high school for what what the level of high school for what what kind of classes you pursue yeah for sure kind of classes you pursue yeah for sure kind of classes you pursue yeah for sure and uh you're also saying so Wikipedia and uh you're also saying so Wikipedia and uh you're also saying so Wikipedia is not always perfectly right no but is not always perfectly right no but is not always perfectly right no but it's just interesting because like I've it's just interesting because like I've it's just interesting because like I've said so much in podcast but that's what said so much in podcast but that's what said so much in podcast but that's what they isolated M and I've gotten that they isolated M and I've gotten that they isolated M and I've gotten that question before which I understand it's question before which I understand it's question before which I understand it's the first thing on my Wikipedia page but the first thing on my Wikipedia page but the first thing on my Wikipedia page but it makes me sound like a super hater it makes me sound like a super hater it makes me sound like a super hater have you ever seen this Instagram page have you ever seen this Instagram page have you ever seen this Instagram page called depths wik of Wikipedia oh it's called depths wik of Wikipedia oh it's called depths wik of Wikipedia oh it's great oh it's so good dude uh you said great oh it's so good dude uh you said great oh it's so good dude uh you said you love journalism what did you love you love journalism what did you love you love journalism what did you love about journalism I mean what hooked you about journalism I mean what hooked you about journalism I mean what hooked you on a basic level everybody wants media on a basic level everybody wants media on a basic level everybody wants media coverage right Everyone likes to be on coverage right Everyone likes to be on coverage right Everyone likes to be on camera and get exposure for whatever camera and get exposure for whatever camera and get exposure for whatever they're doing and so being a journalist they're doing and so being a journalist they're doing and so being a journalist and being a almost like a portal for and being a almost like a portal for and being a almost like a portal for exposure for people allows you to be on exposure for people allows you to be on exposure for people allows you to be on the front row of of everything that you the front row of of everything that you the front row of of everything that you want to to be a part of you get to be in want to to be a part of you get to be in want to to be a part of you get to be in the front row for history as as it's the front row for history as as it's the front row for history as as it's unfolding because everyone wants to be unfolding because everyone wants to be unfolding because everyone wants to be covered so being a journalist gives you covered so being a journalist gives you covered so being a journalist gives you a ticket to everywhere that you want to a ticket to everywhere that you want to a ticket to everywhere that you want to go in life and so it allows you to step go in life and so it allows you to step go in life and so it allows you to step into different realities almost and then into different realities almost and then into different realities almost and then go back to yours and it just keeps life go back to yours and it just keeps life go back to yours and it just keeps life interesting buy the ticket take the ride interesting buy the ticket take the ride interesting buy the ticket take the ride Hunter S Thompson is he up there in the Hunter S Thompson is he up there in the Hunter S Thompson is he up there in the as one of the influences or your as one of the influences or your as one of the influences or your influences I think the early Daily Show influences I think the early Daily Show influences I think the early Daily Show was so good um Sasha Baron Cohen huge was so good um Sasha Baron Cohen huge was so good um Sasha Baron Cohen huge influence I mean that was like the ALG influence I mean that was like the ALG influence I mean that was like the ALG show especially I think Louis th's show especially I think Louis th's show especially I think Louis th's broadcasts on BBC were great um I was broadcasts on BBC were great um I was broadcasts on BBC were great um I was really into Hunter as Thompson too but really into Hunter as Thompson too but really into Hunter as Thompson too but not really until College you know I

not really until College you know I not really until College you know I really like a a particular Hunter S really like a a particular Hunter S really like a a particular Hunter S Thompson book called the great shark Thompson book called the great shark Thompson book called the great shark hunt um where he covers the Ruben hunt um where he covers the Ruben hunt um where he covers the Ruben Salazar murder by LAPD or LA Sheriff's Salazar murder by LAPD or LA Sheriff's Salazar murder by LAPD or LA Sheriff's Department in in the in boil Heights in Department in in the in boil Heights in Department in in the in boil Heights in the in the 70s and his his relationship the in the 70s and his his relationship the in the 70s and his his relationship with his lawyer Oscar aosta and that with his lawyer Oscar aosta and that with his lawyer Oscar aosta and that whole Saga is great fear and Loa I like whole Saga is great fear and Loa I like whole Saga is great fear and Loa I like but not as much as his straightforward but not as much as his straightforward but not as much as his straightforward reporting cuz there's the Gonzo side of reporting cuz there's the Gonzo side of reporting cuz there's the Gonzo side of Hunter where he's like saying he's Hunter where he's like saying he's Hunter where he's like saying he's taking drugs and seeing shit and there's taking drugs and seeing shit and there's taking drugs and seeing shit and there's the other side of him which is like an the other side of him which is like an the other side of him which is like an actual reporter interested in telling a actual reporter interested in telling a actual reporter interested in telling a story that's has news value so it's two story that's has news value so it's two story that's has news value so it's two different lanes for him there is different lanes for him there is different lanes for him there is something about you that makes people something about you that makes people something about you that makes people want to say you're the hunter as want to say you're the hunter as want to say you're the hunter as Thompson of this Thompson of this Thompson of this generation and I don't think they mean generation and I don't think they mean generation and I don't think they mean the drugs I think they mean some kind of the drugs I think they mean some kind of the drugs I think they mean some kind of non-standard non-standard non-standard willingness to explore the extremes of willingness to explore the extremes of willingness to explore the extremes of humanity and like almost a celebration humanity and like almost a celebration humanity and like almost a celebration of the extremes of humanity yeah well of the extremes of humanity yeah well of the extremes of humanity yeah well that's a very kind comparison I'll get that's a very kind comparison I'll get that's a very kind comparison I'll get there one day maybe I just went to Aspen there one day maybe I just went to Aspen there one day maybe I just went to Aspen on a little Hunter S Thompson Recon trip on a little Hunter S Thompson Recon trip on a little Hunter S Thompson Recon trip to go check out the Woody Creek Tavern to go check out the Woody Creek Tavern to go check out the Woody Creek Tavern which is the spot that he was like his which is the spot that he was like his which is the spot that he was like his bar near his cabin and it was pretty bar near his cabin and it was pretty bar near his cabin and it was pretty cool to see unfortunately it's kind of cool to see unfortunately it's kind of cool to see unfortunately it's kind of turned into to not not a dive bar now turned into to not not a dive bar now turned into to not not a dive bar now but it's a sit down sort of Country but it's a sit down sort of Country but it's a sit down sort of Country Restaurant but it was cool but I Restaurant but it was cool but I Restaurant but it was cool but I expected to see a bunch buch of gnarly expected to see a bunch buch of gnarly expected to see a bunch buch of gnarly Hunter S Thompson Hunter S Thompson Hunter S Thompson types uh types uh types uh speed just doing drugs I mean drugs and speed just doing drugs I mean drugs and speed just doing drugs I mean drugs and alcohol is all part of it somehow yeah alcohol is all part of it somehow yeah alcohol is all part of it somehow yeah it's all it opens a gateway to a deeper

it's all it opens a gateway to a deeper it's all it opens a gateway to a deeper understanding of humanity but I will say understanding of humanity but I will say understanding of humanity but I will say though like as someone now who doesn't though like as someone now who doesn't though like as someone now who doesn't party like I did when I was younger it's party like I did when I was younger it's party like I did when I was younger it's not as important as I thought it was you not as important as I thought it was you not as important as I thought it was you know yeah I'm uh conflicted on this I'm know yeah I'm uh conflicted on this I'm know yeah I'm uh conflicted on this I'm good friends with a lot of people that good friends with a lot of people that good friends with a lot of people that say alcohol is really bad for you and I say alcohol is really bad for you and I say alcohol is really bad for you and I believe that too but there's something believe that too but there's something believe that too but there's something that I just as an introvert as a person that I just as an introvert as a person that I just as an introvert as a person who has a lot of anxiety for me alcohol who has a lot of anxiety for me alcohol who has a lot of anxiety for me alcohol has opened doors of like just opening has opened doors of like just opening has opened doors of like just opening myself up to the world more oh I'm myself up to the world more oh I'm myself up to the world more oh I'm actually a fan of of alcohol moderate actually a fan of of alcohol moderate actually a fan of of alcohol moderate drinking but I'm saying like my life drinking but I'm saying like my life drinking but I'm saying like my life before I would say 2019 2018 especially before I would say 2019 2018 especially before I would say 2019 2018 especially there was the chaos on camera but then there was the chaos on camera but then there was the chaos on camera but then there was my private life which was like there was my private life which was like there was my private life which was like chaotic partying all the time oh I see chaotic partying all the time oh I see chaotic partying all the time oh I see and I I I convinced myself much like and I I I convinced myself much like and I I I convinced myself much like Hunter did that that was the secret Hunter did that that was the secret Hunter did that that was the secret sauce that in the core the spiritual in sauce that in the core the spiritual in sauce that in the core the spiritual in my spiritual core that gave me the my spiritual core that gave me the my spiritual core that gave me the creativity but then I cut out a lot of creativity but then I cut out a lot of creativity but then I cut out a lot of that stuff and I'm just as creative and that stuff and I'm just as creative and that stuff and I'm just as creative and it's interesting that a lot of I think it's interesting that a lot of I think it's interesting that a lot of I think one of the hardest parts about addiction one of the hardest parts about addiction one of the hardest parts about addiction is that if you're functioning highly is that if you're functioning highly is that if you're functioning highly creative addict of any kind your your creative addict of any kind your your creative addict of any kind your your brain and your The Addictive part of brain and your The Addictive part of brain and your The Addictive part of your brain convinces yourself that it's your brain convinces yourself that it's your brain convinces yourself that it's all part of the Cross purpose and that all part of the Cross purpose and that all part of the Cross purpose and that it has this like symbiotic you know in it has this like symbiotic you know in it has this like symbiotic you know in inspirational thing going on but it's inspirational thing going on but it's inspirational thing going on but it's not it's not true it can be but it's not it's not true it can be but it's not it's not true it can be but it's typically not yeah it's not a it's not a typically not yeah it's not a it's not a typically not yeah it's not a it's not a requirement right you can sometimes requirement right you can sometimes requirement right you can sometimes Channel you can sometimes leverage all Channel you can sometimes leverage all Channel you can sometimes leverage all those things for your creativity but the those things for your creativity but the those things for your creativity but the creative engine lives outside of that creative engine lives outside of that creative engine lives outside of that like have you read that Hunter's um like have you read that Hunter's um like have you read that Hunter's um daily routine in the year up to his

daily routine in the year up to his daily routine in the year up to his death it was like 15 grapefruits and death it was like 15 grapefruits and death it was like 15 grapefruits and eight ball of coke and like just like a eight ball of coke and like just like a eight ball of coke and like just like a certain amount of shotgun shells for him certain amount of shotgun shells for him certain amount of shotgun shells for him to fire into the sky every morning yeah to fire into the sky every morning yeah to fire into the sky every morning yeah there's no way and he didn't do anything there's no way and he didn't do anything there's no way and he didn't do anything creative in those in those final years creative in those in those final years creative in those in those final years yeah but so the creativity goes away and yeah but so the creativity goes away and yeah but so the creativity goes away and gradually you just become like a party gradually you just become like a party gradually you just become like a party animal like Andy Dick a caricature of animal like Andy Dick a caricature of animal like Andy Dick a caricature of yourself yeah I mean that's why life is yourself yeah I mean that's why life is yourself yeah I mean that's why life is interesting you make all kinds of interesting you make all kinds of interesting you make all kinds of choices and sometimes you can have uh choices and sometimes you can have uh choices and sometimes you can have uh create works of Genius in a short amount create works of Genius in a short amount create works of Genius in a short amount of time based on drugs or no drugs of time based on drugs or no drugs of time based on drugs or no drugs Einstein had that miracle year where he Einstein had that miracle year where he Einstein had that miracle year where he published several incredible papers in published several incredible papers in published several incredible papers in one year 1905 did he do drugs before one year 1905 did he do drugs before one year 1905 did he do drugs before that lots of coke and uh I was like I that lots of coke and uh I was like I that lots of coke and uh I was like I believed you for a sec I'm like did believed you for a sec I'm like did believed you for a sec I'm like did Einstein have blood I don't think he did Einstein have blood I don't think he did Einstein have blood I don't think he did how do you think he gets that hair come how do you think he gets that hair come how do you think he gets that hair come on it's true I'm just asking questions on it's true I'm just asking questions on it's true I'm just asking questions high confidence hair look into it yeah high confidence hair look into it yeah high confidence hair look into it yeah you know what I mean uh yeah well no you know what I mean uh yeah well no you know what I mean uh yeah well no he's a well put together uh sexy young he's a well put together uh sexy young he's a well put together uh sexy young man the hair came later yeah was Albert man the hair came later yeah was Albert man the hair came later yeah was Albert Einstein attractive as a teenager not Einstein attractive as a teenager not Einstein attractive as a teenager not teenager was he attractive as a Young teenager was he attractive as a Young teenager was he attractive as a Young Man uh sexually attractive or I don't I Man uh sexually attractive or I don't I Man uh sexually attractive or I don't I mean I'm turned on by Einstein at all mean I'm turned on by Einstein at all mean I'm turned on by Einstein at all ages I don't discriminate but are you ages I don't discriminate but are you ages I don't discriminate but are you more turned on by the work that he did more turned on by the work that he did more turned on by the work that he did or his physical or his physical or his physical being uh no sometimes I fantasize what being uh no sometimes I fantasize what being uh no sometimes I fantasize what it would be like to be in the arms of it would be like to be in the arms of it would be like to be in the arms of Einstein I could even get that out yeah Einstein I could even get that out yeah Einstein I could even get that out yeah u in the arms of Einstein yeah just just u in the arms of Einstein yeah just just u in the arms of Einstein yeah just just I want to feel safe it's a good idea for I want to feel safe it's a good idea for I want to feel safe it's a good idea for a a a romcom to be a little more serious like romcom to be a little more serious like romcom to be a little more serious like general relativity that space time can general relativity that space time can general relativity that space time can be unified and curved by gravity is an

be unified and curved by gravity is an be unified and curved by gravity is an incredibly wild and difficult idea to incredibly wild and difficult idea to incredibly wild and difficult idea to come up with like it's a really really come up with like it's a really really come up with like it's a really really difficult thing to imagine given how difficult thing to imagine given how difficult thing to imagine given how well uh Newtonian classical mechanics well uh Newtonian classical mechanics well uh Newtonian classical mechanics physics works for predicting how stuff physics works for predicting how stuff physics works for predicting how stuff happens on Earth to think like happens on Earth to think like happens on Earth to think like like like the like like the like like the that gravity can can morph space time that gravity can can morph space time that gravity can can morph space time both space and time is and it permeates both space and time is and it permeates both space and time is and it permeates the entire universe it's a field it's a the entire universe it's a field it's a the entire universe it's a field it's a really wild idea to come up as one human really wild idea to come up as one human really wild idea to come up as one human on earth to Inuit it that is really on earth to Inuit it that is really on earth to Inuit it that is really really really difficult and it's really really really difficult and it's really really really difficult and it's really sad uh to me that he didn't get a Nobel sad uh to me that he didn't get a Nobel sad uh to me that he didn't get a Nobel Prize for that was was there people Prize for that was was there people Prize for that was was there people saying he was crazy when he was around saying he was crazy when he was around saying he was crazy when he was around or was was he universally recognized or was was he universally recognized or was was he universally recognized it's like an OG of no I think once the it's like an OG of no I think once the it's like an OG of no I think once the papers came out he was widely recognized papers came out he was widely recognized papers came out he was widely recognized as as a true genius but before that he as as a true genius but before that he as as a true genius but before that he wasn't recognized he had a really wasn't recognized he had a really wasn't recognized he had a really difficult so back up where does a black difficult so back up where does a black difficult so back up where does a black hole go like after something gets sucked hole go like after something gets sucked hole go like after something gets sucked into it you mean is it a portal to into it you mean is it a portal to into it you mean is it a portal to another place that kind of thing yeah no another place that kind of thing yeah no another place that kind of thing yeah no h well we don't we don't know it could h well we don't we don't know it could h well we don't we don't know it could be like it could be uh that the universe be like it could be uh that the universe be like it could be uh that the universe is kind of like swiss cheese full of is kind of like swiss cheese full of is kind of like swiss cheese full of black holes there's something called black holes there's something called black holes there's something called Hawking radiation where the because of Hawking radiation where the because of Hawking radiation where the because of quantum mechanics the information leaks quantum mechanics the information leaks quantum mechanics the information leaks out of a black hole so it is possible to out of a black hole so it is possible to out of a black hole so it is possible to escape a black hole there's a lot of escape a black hole there's a lot of escape a black hole there's a lot of interesting questions there I hope we interesting questions there I hope we interesting questions there I hope we get to the bottom of that and there's a get to the bottom of that and there's a get to the bottom of that and there's a super massive black hole at the center super massive black hole at the center super massive black hole at the center of our galaxy which doesn't seem to of our galaxy which doesn't seem to of our galaxy which doesn't seem to scare physicist but it terrifies me oh scare physicist but it terrifies me oh scare physicist but it terrifies me oh yeah for sure astronomy can be yeah for sure astronomy can be yeah for sure astronomy can be terrifying yeah we're all like uh

terrifying yeah we're all like uh terrifying yeah we're all like uh orbiting I mean we're not just orbiting orbiting I mean we're not just orbiting orbiting I mean we're not just orbiting the Sun but the sun is part of the solar the Sun but the sun is part of the solar the Sun but the sun is part of the solar system as part of the Galaxy and it's system as part of the Galaxy and it's system as part of the Galaxy and it's all orbiting a gigantic black hole have all orbiting a gigantic black hole have all orbiting a gigantic black hole have you ever spoke to someone who's been to you ever spoke to someone who's been to you ever spoke to someone who's been to outer space Jeff BOS he flew his own outer space Jeff BOS he flew his own outer space Jeff BOS he flew his own rocket wow that's pretty cool astronut rocket wow that's pretty cool astronut rocket wow that's pretty cool astronut that's been to deep space now well maybe that's been to deep space now well maybe that's been to deep space now well maybe I've spoken to an alien that just hasn't I've spoken to an alien that just hasn't I've spoken to an alien that just hasn't admitted it I want to do a a research admitted it I want to do a a research admitted it I want to do a a research paper or like a report about space paper or like a report about space paper or like a report about space Madness you know it's supposed to be Madness you know it's supposed to be Madness you know it's supposed to be this like torturous feeling that you get this like torturous feeling that you get this like torturous feeling that you get when you look away from Earth and into when you look away from Earth and into when you look away from Earth and into the abyss after you've exited Earth's the abyss after you've exited Earth's the abyss after you've exited Earth's orbit or whatever um because there orbit or whatever um because there orbit or whatever um because there there's one specific psychiatrist who there's one specific psychiatrist who there's one specific psychiatrist who knows how to deal with space Madness and knows how to deal with space Madness and knows how to deal with space Madness and I want to figure out how and interview I want to figure out how and interview I want to figure out how and interview people with it is this a real thing like people with it is this a real thing like people with it is this a real thing like is there a Wikipedia article on it yes is there a Wikipedia article on it yes is there a Wikipedia article on it yes look up space Madness treatment now I look up space Madness treatment now I look up space Madness treatment now I don't trust Wikipedia after what you don't trust Wikipedia after what you don't trust Wikipedia after what you told me so I know they think I hate told me so I know they think I hate told me so I know they think I hate classes I thought you meant more about classes I thought you meant more about classes I thought you meant more about the fact that you're isolated out in the the fact that you're isolated out in the the fact that you're isolated out in the space that we need social connection and space that we need social connection and space that we need social connection and it's difficult yeah I think it's just a it's difficult yeah I think it's just a it's difficult yeah I think it's just a feeling of extreme insignificance that feeling of extreme insignificance that feeling of extreme insignificance that you might get sometimes when you look at you might get sometimes when you look at you might get sometimes when you look at the night sky but it's that times a the night sky but it's that times a the night sky but it's that times a thousand it's like an existential void thousand it's like an existential void thousand it's like an existential void that's created after looking into the that's created after looking into the that's created after looking into the abyss and then realizing how small Earth abyss and then realizing how small Earth abyss and then realizing how small Earth is in the the grand scheme you just is in the the grand scheme you just is in the the grand scheme you just start to really have a strange new start to really have a strange new start to really have a strange new perception about the the pointlessness perception about the the pointlessness perception about the the pointlessness of existence I don't need to go to space of existence I don't need to go to space of existence I don't need to go to space for that I mean only a handful of people for that I mean only a handful of people for that I mean only a handful of people have been to space but I'm sure they're have been to space but I'm sure they're have been to space but I'm sure they're all pretty well off so this psychiatrist all pretty well off so this psychiatrist all pretty well off so this psychiatrist has to be like in the multi-millions has to be like in the multi-millions has to be like in the multi-millions well technically we're all in space cuz well technically we're all in space cuz well technically we're all in space cuz Earth is in space but so um I wonder if

Earth is in space but so um I wonder if Earth is in space but so um I wonder if you have to go to space to talk to the you have to go to space to talk to the you have to go to space to talk to the psychiatrist yeah probably so well psychiatrist yeah probably so well psychiatrist yeah probably so well technically we're all in space so he technically we're all in space so he technically we're all in space so he can't that's a b he can't have but not can't that's a b he can't have but not can't that's a b he can't have but not everyone believes that as you've seen everyone believes that as you've seen everyone believes that as you've seen from my my work probably you're right from my my work probably you're right from my my work probably you're right and that's those are important people and that's those are important people and that's those are important people that are asking important questions yeah that are asking important questions yeah that are asking important questions yeah um you hitchhiked across us for 70 days um you hitchhiked across us for 70 days um you hitchhiked across us for 70 days when you were 19 right tell the story of when you were 19 right tell the story of when you were 19 right tell the story of that well this sort of connects to what that well this sort of connects to what that well this sort of connects to what I was talking about with the boredom of I was talking about with the boredom of I was talking about with the boredom of school and these common core classes so school and these common core classes so school and these common core classes so after my first year of school where I after my first year of school where I after my first year of school where I lived in the dorms like a like a old lived in the dorms like a like a old lived in the dorms like a like a old school dormatory building at a school in school dormatory building at a school in school dormatory building at a school in New Orleans called lyola University I New Orleans called lyola University I New Orleans called lyola University I wanted to I wanted to just do something wanted to I wanted to just do something wanted to I wanted to just do something I felt so bored I was working for the I felt so bored I was working for the I felt so bored I was working for the school newspaper for the for that whole school newspaper for the for that whole school newspaper for the for that whole first year it was called the maroon and first year it was called the maroon and first year it was called the maroon and I didn't have the ability to write my I didn't have the ability to write my I didn't have the ability to write my own stories like I had to defer to an own stories like I had to defer to an own stories like I had to defer to an older editor and they would give me older editor and they would give me older editor and they would give me stories to write about and they were all stories to write about and they were all stories to write about and they were all about like on campus happenings like the about like on campus happenings like the about like on campus happenings like the pope visits New Orleans or glass pope visits New Orleans or glass pope visits New Orleans or glass recycling to be restored in the French recycling to be restored in the French recycling to be restored in the French Quarter or hoverboards banned on campus Quarter or hoverboards banned on campus Quarter or hoverboards banned on campus due to safety concerns and it just kind due to safety concerns and it just kind due to safety concerns and it just kind of felt like all right I kind of wanted of felt like all right I kind of wanted of felt like all right I kind of wanted to be a a Gonzo reporter I'm not sure if to be a a Gonzo reporter I'm not sure if to be a a Gonzo reporter I'm not sure if working my way up through the working my way up through the working my way up through the traditional Newsroom hierarchy is going traditional Newsroom hierarchy is going traditional Newsroom hierarchy is going to get me to that point so I started to get me to that point so I started to get me to that point so I started reading a bunch of old hobo literature reading a bunch of old hobo literature reading a bunch of old hobo literature you know like post World War II you know like post World War II you know like post World War II vagabonding stuff and there was this vagabonding stuff and there was this vagabonding stuff and there was this book called vagabonding in America by an book called vagabonding in America by an book called vagabonding in America by an old hobo named ed burn and I read this old hobo named ed burn and I read this old hobo named ed burn and I read this and it just basically obviously some of and it just basically obviously some of and it just basically obviously some of it was outdated they had stuff in there it was outdated they had stuff in there it was outdated they had stuff in there like the hobo code like oh this moniker

like the hobo code like oh this moniker like the hobo code like oh this moniker on the side of a fence means this person on the side of a fence means this person on the side of a fence means this person has free soup or something like that has free soup or something like that has free soup or something like that they didn't have stuff like that but they didn't have stuff like that but they didn't have stuff like that but what it did tell great it told me about what it did tell great it told me about what it did tell great it told me about train stop towns like dunsmir and you train stop towns like dunsmir and you train stop towns like dunsmir and you know places in Montana where there was a know places in Montana where there was a know places in Montana where there was a friendly attitude toward Drifters and friendly attitude toward Drifters and friendly attitude toward Drifters and that still persists from the 60s and 70s that still persists from the 60s and 70s that still persists from the 60s and 70s to this day even though in my opinion to this day even though in my opinion to this day even though in my opinion movies like Texas Chainsaw Massacre have movies like Texas Chainsaw Massacre have movies like Texas Chainsaw Massacre have ruined hitchhiking culture in America ruined hitchhiking culture in America ruined hitchhiking culture in America because now everyone thinks you're going because now everyone thinks you're going because now everyone thinks you're going to you know decapitate them if they pick to you know decapitate them if they pick to you know decapitate them if they pick you up so after my final day of courses you up so after my final day of courses you up so after my final day of courses at lyola I literally left all of my at lyola I literally left all of my at lyola I literally left all of my belongings inside my dorm and took the belongings inside my dorm and took the belongings inside my dorm and took the street car to the Greyhound station got street car to the Greyhound station got street car to the Greyhound station got a oneway ticket to Baton Rouge and I was a oneway ticket to Baton Rouge and I was a oneway ticket to Baton Rouge and I was like I'm going to hitchhike across the like I'm going to hitchhike across the like I'm going to hitchhike across the whole country back to Seattle with no whole country back to Seattle with no whole country back to Seattle with no money and that that was that was the money and that that was that was the money and that that was that was the plan and it worked out I love it I plan and it worked out I love it I plan and it worked out I love it I traveled across the United States uh traveled across the United States uh traveled across the United States uh before in similar kind of plan you you before in similar kind of plan you you before in similar kind of plan you you were you on the silver dog Greyhound Bus Greyhound is pretty dog Greyhound Bus Greyhound is pretty nice that's a step above hitchhiking nice that's a step above hitchhiking nice that's a step above hitchhiking yeah that's way better than hitchhiking yeah that's way better than hitchhiking yeah that's way better than hitchhiking Greyhound Amtrak airl Amtrak no that's Greyhound Amtrak airl Amtrak no that's Greyhound Amtrak airl Amtrak no that's the leest uh what's in between Greyhound the leest uh what's in between Greyhound the leest uh what's in between Greyhound and Amtrak a car that's what it is yeah and Amtrak a car that's what it is yeah and Amtrak a car that's what it is yeah it's a car yeah a shitty car okay cool it's a car yeah a shitty car okay cool it's a car yeah a shitty car okay cool and I lived in a shitty car you lived in and I lived in a shitty car you lived in and I lived in a shitty car you lived in a car yeah when I was uh driving across a car yeah when I was uh driving across a car yeah when I was uh driving across United States yeah SOLO uh with a friend United States yeah SOLO uh with a friend United States yeah SOLO uh with a friend some some solo mhm and I would uh have I some some solo mhm and I would uh have I some some solo mhm and I would uh have I would eat cold would eat cold would eat cold soup I love cold soup what I like is the

soup I love cold soup what I like is the soup I love cold soup what I like is the cold uh chickpeas in a can you get the cold uh chickpeas in a can you get the cold uh chickpeas in a can you get the water out and just dump them in your water out and just dump them in your water out and just dump them in your mouth yeah those are good beef jerk kind mouth yeah those are good beef jerk kind mouth yeah those are good beef jerk kind bars kind bars are really good for the bars kind bars are really good for the bars kind bars are really good for the road yeah I mean all of that is great road yeah I mean all of that is great road yeah I mean all of that is great but too much of it is not great like too but too much of it is not great like too but too much of it is not great like too much cold much cold much cold soup not great too much beef soup not great too much beef soup not great too much beef jerky so what was the route you took was jerky so what was the route you took was jerky so what was the route you took was it Chicago across or was it Philadelphia it Chicago across or was it Philadelphia it Chicago across or was it Philadelphia across Philadelphia across to LA or across Philadelphia across to LA or across Philadelphia across to LA or where uh San Diego is where we end up where uh San Diego is where we end up where uh San Diego is where we end up but it was a zigzag and went up to but it was a zigzag and went up to but it was a zigzag and went up to Chicago and then all the way down to Chicago and then all the way down to Chicago and then all the way down to Texas so you went Philly through through Texas so you went Philly through through Texas so you went Philly through through Appalachia up to the Midwest y did you Appalachia up to the Midwest y did you Appalachia up to the Midwest y did you cut over like the Southwest down to San cut over like the Southwest down to San cut over like the Southwest down to San Diego no no no I went straight down to Diego no no no I went straight down to Diego no no no I went straight down to Texas all the way down Midwest so like Texas all the way down Midwest so like Texas all the way down Midwest so like but did you cut from Texas west through but did you cut from Texas west through but did you cut from Texas west through New Mexico and Arizona to get to San die New Mexico and Arizona to get to San die New Mexico and Arizona to get to San die that is the best road trip Place that is the best road trip Place that is the best road trip Place Interstate 40 like Albuquerque Flagstaff Interstate 40 like Albuquerque Flagstaff Interstate 40 like Albuquerque Flagstaff Vegas Kingman the Mojave Desert Yuma Vegas Kingman the Mojave Desert Yuma Vegas Kingman the Mojave Desert Yuma doesn't get better yeah I mean and doesn't get better yeah I mean and doesn't get better yeah I mean and you're kid so you don't care and you you're kid so you don't care and you you're kid so you don't care and you throwing caution to the win and I met throwing caution to the win and I met throwing caution to the win and I met some crazy crazy people it gives me some some crazy crazy people it gives me some some crazy crazy people it gives me some sanity like whenever I'm feeling kind of sanity like whenever I'm feeling kind of sanity like whenever I'm feeling kind of out of control or you you know like out of control or you you know like out of control or you you know like bummed out I just remembered that the bummed out I just remembered that the bummed out I just remembered that the road is still out there the open road road is still out there the open road road is still out there the open road never goes anywhere and it's kind of never goes anywhere and it's kind of never goes anywhere and it's kind of like a I see like an invisible door in like a I see like an invisible door in like a I see like an invisible door in the corner of the room all the time that the corner of the room all the time that the corner of the room all the time that makes me more comfortable cuz I'm like makes me more comfortable cuz I'm like makes me more comfortable cuz I'm like hey at the end of the day if I'm bummed hey at the end of the day if I'm bummed hey at the end of the day if I'm bummed out I can go hit the road and I'm sure out I can go hit the road and I'm sure out I can go hit the road and I'm sure there's going to be a fun time ahead there's going to be a fun time ahead there's going to be a fun time ahead yeah get that Greyhound ticket and go I yeah get that Greyhound ticket and go I yeah get that Greyhound ticket and go I would say silver dog half because would say silver dog half because would say silver dog half because sometimes I got to ride the dog when I'm

sometimes I got to ride the dog when I'm sometimes I got to ride the dog when I'm when no one will pick me up there's some when no one will pick me up there's some when no one will pick me up there's some places in the country where no one's places in the country where no one's places in the country where no one's going to pick you up yeah Kansas going to pick you up yeah Kansas going to pick you up yeah Kansas Missouri they're not going to do maybe Missouri they're not going to do maybe Missouri they're not going to do maybe you're not Charming enough you thought you're not Charming enough you thought you're not Charming enough you thought about that I was 19 fresh clean shaven about that I was 19 fresh clean shaven about that I was 19 fresh clean shaven yeah I was pretty Charming I'd say but yeah I was pretty Charming I'd say but yeah I was pretty Charming I'd say but the older you get the harder it is to the older you get the harder it is to the older you get the harder it is to hitchhike because they think you're like hitchhike because they think you're like hitchhike because they think you're like an escaped convict or some type of like an escaped convict or some type of like an escaped convict or some type of like Psy psycho Wanderer and some of these Psy psycho Wanderer and some of these Psy psycho Wanderer and some of these people are like what what we call people are like what what we call people are like what what we call punishers it's people who never stop punishers it's people who never stop punishers it's people who never stop talking and so they see someone talking and so they see someone talking and so they see someone hitchhiking and they're like yes I'm hitchhiking and they're like yes I'm hitchhiking and they're like yes I'm going to talk at this person and you can going to talk at this person and you can going to talk at this person and you can tell their eyes are wide they're like tell their eyes are wide they're like tell their eyes are wide they're like what's up then you're like oh shit so what's up then you're like oh shit so what's up then you're like oh shit so it's 6 hours of just like oh cool nice it's 6 hours of just like oh cool nice it's 6 hours of just like oh cool nice yeah that's rough yeah yeah you're right yeah that's rough yeah yeah you're right yeah that's rough yeah yeah you're right right you're right I like people that right you're right I like people that right you're right I like people that are comfortable in are comfortable in are comfortable in silence yeah but then that also raises silence yeah but then that also raises silence yeah but then that also raises the question are they about to kill me the question are they about to kill me the question are they about to kill me you know what I mean I think that's a you know what I mean I think that's a you know what I mean I think that's a you problem not a you know what's funny you problem not a you know what's funny you problem not a you know what's funny is almost everybody who picked me up is almost everybody who picked me up is almost everybody who picked me up when I was hitchhiking was like a like a when I was hitchhiking was like a like a when I was hitchhiking was like a like a day labor like most it was almost all day labor like most it was almost all day labor like most it was almost all Mexican day labers who picked me up oh Mexican day labers who picked me up oh Mexican day labers who picked me up oh interesting cuz I think that like in interesting cuz I think that like in interesting cuz I think that like in some places down there that's a typical some places down there that's a typical some places down there that's a typical thing to do hitchhike to work a lot of thing to do hitchhike to work a lot of thing to do hitchhike to work a lot of people don't have cars but they still people don't have cars but they still people don't have cars but they still have to get to their jobs so a lot of have to get to their jobs so a lot of have to get to their jobs so a lot of people ask me hey where should I drop people ask me hey where should I drop people ask me hey where should I drop you off where's your job at and I'm like you off where's your job at and I'm like you off where's your job at and I'm like my job is to explore and they were they my job is to explore and they were they my job is to explore and they were they were done with it see like for me it was were done with it see like for me it was were done with it see like for me it was really easy because you just say like really easy because you just say like really easy because you just say like I'm traveling across the United States I'm traveling across the United States I'm traveling across the United States and I think people love that idea and and I think people love that idea and and I think people love that idea and they want to help MH they they romantic they want to help MH they they romantic they want to help MH they they romantic cuz they also have that invisible door cuz they also have that invisible door cuz they also have that invisible door everybody has that invisible door I just everybody has that invisible door I just everybody has that invisible door I just want to go so you know what I'm talking want to go so you know what I'm talking want to go so you know what I'm talking about yeah I mean I anchor it can anchor about yeah I mean I anchor it can anchor about yeah I mean I anchor it can anchor you a bit just to remind you that every you a bit just to remind you that every you a bit just to remind you that every pattern that I've fallen into is

pattern that I've fallen into is pattern that I've fallen into is voluntary and it's for my own stability voluntary and it's for my own stability voluntary and it's for my own stability and mental health well that's why I'm and mental health well that's why I'm and mental health well that's why I'm like renting everything and I'm sure like renting everything and I'm sure like renting everything and I'm sure like tomorrow I can just go I gave away like tomorrow I can just go I gave away like tomorrow I can just go I gave away everything I own twice in my life just everything I own twice in my life just everything I own twice in my life just very like I'm ready to go tonight let's very like I'm ready to go tonight let's very like I'm ready to go tonight let's go what's the hardest item you've had to go what's the hardest item you've had to go what's the hardest item you've had to part with in this experience there's part with in this experience there's part with in this experience there's nothing you've never had a material nothing you've never had a material nothing you've never had a material object that was really hard to let go of object that was really hard to let go of object that was really hard to let go of no so You' give that watch to somebody no so You' give that watch to somebody no so You' give that watch to somebody if it meant no this you're right you're if it meant no this you're right you're if it meant no this you're right you're right that's probably the only I've right that's probably the only I've right that's probably the only I've never had to let go of that though never had to let go of that though never had to let go of that though that's the only thing I own this means a that's the only thing I own this means a that's the only thing I own this means a lot to me but everything else but then lot to me but everything else but then lot to me but everything else but then again listen cuz uh okay this watch is again listen cuz uh okay this watch is again listen cuz uh okay this watch is given me to me by Rogan um who's become given me to me by Rogan um who's become given me to me by Rogan um who's become a close friend but like whenever I a close friend but like whenever I a close friend but like whenever I romanticize the notion that this watch romanticize the notion that this watch romanticize the notion that this watch means a lot to me he's like don't worry means a lot to me he's like don't worry means a lot to me he's like don't worry about it I'll just get you the same one about it I'll just get you the same one about it I'll just get you the same one again yeah I like God damn it it's a again yeah I like God damn it it's a again yeah I like God damn it it's a pretty sick sick ass gift though yeah pretty sick sick ass gift though yeah pretty sick sick ass gift though yeah it's pretty pretty sick I'm not usually it's pretty pretty sick I'm not usually it's pretty pretty sick I'm not usually a gift guy but you know um when when a gift guy but you know um when when a gift guy but you know um when when somebody you you look up to kind of somebody you you look up to kind of somebody you you look up to kind of gives you a thing it's a nice little gives you a thing it's a nice little gives you a thing it's a nice little symbol of uh yeah of that relationship symbol of uh yeah of that relationship symbol of uh yeah of that relationship so it's nice but other than that no know so it's nice but other than that no know so it's nice but other than that no know but even this like whatever the but even this like whatever the but even this like whatever the relationship is what matters the human relationship is what matters the human relationship is what matters the human is what matters not the I agree 100% you is what matters not the I agree 100% you is what matters not the I agree 100% you had something like this not really I had something like this not really I had something like this not really I mean there was a hard drive that I lost mean there was a hard drive that I lost mean there was a hard drive that I lost that had all of my like childhood that had all of my like childhood that had all of my like childhood pictures on it and stuff like that that pictures on it and stuff like that that pictures on it and stuff like that that I think about all the time because I I think about all the time because I I think about all the time because I left it on a train and like the certain left it on a train and like the certain left it on a train and like the certain memories you think about it you just get memories you think about it you just get memories you think about it you just get pissed off I just think to myself pissed off I just think to myself pissed off I just think to myself someone has that somewhere I have dreams someone has that somewhere I have dreams someone has that somewhere I have dreams about reuniting with the hard drive you

about reuniting with the hard drive you about reuniting with the hard drive you and uh Hunter Biden have the similar and uh Hunter Biden have the similar and uh Hunter Biden have the similar kind I don't think he wants to reunite kind I don't think he wants to reunite kind I don't think he wants to reunite with that one okay dude it's crazy like with that one okay dude it's crazy like with that one okay dude it's crazy like you you you know all he did was smoke crack right or know all he did was smoke crack right or know all he did was smoke crack right or was there more stuff going on and I was there more stuff going on and I was there more stuff going on and I think there's prostitutes involved oh think there's prostitutes involved oh think there's prostitutes involved oh okay whatever I think you got to look okay whatever I think you got to look okay whatever I think you got to look into it I think I have to look into it into it I think I have to look into it into it I think I have to look into it too I don't too I don't too I don't know um was carak Jack kowak and know um was carak Jack kowak and know um was carak Jack kowak and somebody that that wasn't an inspiration somebody that that wasn't an inspiration somebody that that wasn't an inspiration at all in this road trip did you even at all in this road trip did you even at all in this road trip did you even know who that is the be generation I know who that is the be generation I know who that is the be generation I didn't know who it was and then after I didn't know who it was and then after I didn't know who it was and then after I did the ultimately I wrote a book about did the ultimately I wrote a book about did the ultimately I wrote a book about my hit experience years later and my hit experience years later and my hit experience years later and everyone was like have you read on the everyone was like have you read on the everyone was like have you read on the road and then on the road I probably road and then on the road I probably road and then on the road I probably heard the title of that book every day heard the title of that book every day heard the title of that book every day at least 10 times for two years and um at least 10 times for two years and um at least 10 times for two years and um I'm sure kowak is a great guy I mean I I'm sure kowak is a great guy I mean I I'm sure kowak is a great guy I mean I just don't I'm not too familiar with the just don't I'm not too familiar with the just don't I'm not too familiar with the Beat Generation it's a great book it's Beat Generation it's a great book it's Beat Generation it's a great book it's uh you read it or no I refuse to read it uh you read it or no I refuse to read it uh you read it or no I refuse to read it people even have gifted it to me being people even have gifted it to me being people even have gifted it to me being like hey man you're going to love this like hey man you're going to love this like hey man you're going to love this one and I'm like is that on the road if one and I'm like is that on the road if one and I'm like is that on the road if I honestly people have given me a book I honestly people have given me a book I honestly people have given me a book with rapping paper on it and they're with rapping paper on it and they're with rapping paper on it and they're like this is right after rally I was like this is right after rally I was like this is right after rally I was like that's fucking on the road isn't it like that's fucking on the road isn't it like that's fucking on the road isn't it give you a different cover yeah no I'm give you a different cover yeah no I'm give you a different cover yeah no I'm like anything but that but I'm sure it's like anything but that but I'm sure it's like anything but that but I'm sure it's a great book it's just the comparison a great book it's just the comparison a great book it's just the comparison thing drives me thing drives me thing drives me crazy but respect big respect to crazy but respect big respect to crazy but respect big respect to carak would never speak down on the carak would never speak down on the carak would never speak down on the whole anyone in the Beat Generation what whole anyone in the Beat Generation what whole anyone in the Beat Generation what are some interesting moments you are some interesting moments you are some interesting moments you remember from that those 70 days man remember from that those 70 days man remember from that those 70 days man there was so much I mean getting there was so much I mean getting there was so much I mean getting mistaken for a gay prostitute on my mistaken for a gay prostitute on my mistaken for a gay prostitute on my first hitchhiking ride in Louisiana was

first hitchhiking ride in Louisiana was first hitchhiking ride in Louisiana was pretty funny where did you come from and pretty funny where did you come from and pretty funny where did you come from and where did you go well I mean the the where did you go well I mean the the where did you go well I mean the the journey began in Baton Rouge and the journey began in Baton Rouge and the journey began in Baton Rouge and the first destination was Houston which is first destination was Houston which is first destination was Houston which is about 4 and 1 half hours West um on about 4 and 1 half hours West um on about 4 and 1 half hours West um on Interstate 10 so I'm in Crowley Interstate 10 so I'm in Crowley Interstate 10 so I'm in Crowley Louisiana I'm on the side of the road Louisiana I'm on the side of the road Louisiana I'm on the side of the road and I guess this was a cruising truck and I guess this was a cruising truck and I guess this was a cruising truck stop it was known for being a place stop it was known for being a place stop it was known for being a place where male lot lizards would go to where male lot lizards would go to where male lot lizards would go to procure clients and I was there lot procure clients and I was there lot procure clients and I was there lot lizards are it's a derogatory term in lizards are it's a derogatory term in lizards are it's a derogatory term in trucker culture for a prostitute who trucker culture for a prostitute who trucker culture for a prostitute who hangs out at the loves or Pilot Flying hangs out at the loves or Pilot Flying hangs out at the loves or Pilot Flying Jay Jay Jay large Interstate Truck Stops now trucker large Interstate Truck Stops now trucker large Interstate Truck Stops now trucker culture as it once was is pretty much culture as it once was is pretty much culture as it once was is pretty much finished because of the live stream finished because of the live stream finished because of the live stream cameras they have inside of the trucks cameras they have inside of the trucks cameras they have inside of the trucks now so you can't snort sua fed or pick now so you can't snort sua fed or pick now so you can't snort sua fed or pick up anybody you can't even pick up a up anybody you can't even pick up a up anybody you can't even pick up a hitchhiker or you get fired killed all hitchhiker or you get fired killed all hitchhiker or you get fired killed all the romance yeah definitely the TR that the romance yeah definitely the TR that the romance yeah definitely the TR that the old school Outlaw trucker lifestyle the old school Outlaw trucker lifestyle the old school Outlaw trucker lifestyle unless you're an owner operator with unless you're an owner operator with unless you're an owner operator with who's not even in a union which is like who's not even in a union which is like who's not even in a union which is like a real cowboy way to hul loads you can't a real cowboy way to hul loads you can't a real cowboy way to hul loads you can't do that you are mistaken for a lot do that you are mistaken for a lot do that you are mistaken for a lot lizard mistaken for a lot lizard by uh a lizard mistaken for a lot lizard by uh a lizard mistaken for a lot lizard by uh a small man from Honduras with a spiky small man from Honduras with a spiky small man from Honduras with a spiky leather jacket covered in studs nice leather jacket covered in studs nice leather jacket covered in studs nice didn't speak any English but you know I didn't speak any English but you know I didn't speak any English but you know I thought he was just you know a nice guy thought he was just you know a nice guy thought he was just you know a nice guy and then he pulled over at a there's and then he pulled over at a there's and then he pulled over at a there's private theaters in the South where they private theaters in the South where they private theaters in the South where they have confessional booths set up and they have confessional booths set up and they have confessional booths set up and they have three channels and people go in have three channels and people go in have three channels and people go in there and you know porn yeah people go there and you know porn yeah people go there and you know porn yeah people go in there and you know please themselves in there and you know please themselves in there and you know please themselves yeah yeah so he thought he was taking me

yeah yeah so he thought he was taking me yeah yeah so he thought he was taking me to one of to one of those I was like all to one of to one of those I was like all to one of to one of those I was like all right cool man yeah like you know if right cool man yeah like you know if right cool man yeah like you know if this guy wants to go jerk off I'm just this guy wants to go jerk off I'm just this guy wants to go jerk off I'm just gonna wait in the car it's all good I gonna wait in the car it's all good I gonna wait in the car it's all good I don't discriminate but then um I was don't discriminate but then um I was don't discriminate but then um I was like he buys a booth for me and I'm like like he buys a booth for me and I'm like like he buys a booth for me and I'm like okay you know nice I'm not really in the okay you know nice I'm not really in the okay you know nice I'm not really in the mood to watch porn with this random guy mood to watch porn with this random guy mood to watch porn with this random guy so he gets in the same booth as me and so he gets in the same booth as me and so he gets in the same booth as me and he starts jerking off right next to me he starts jerking off right next to me he starts jerking off right next to me and I'm like oh man and I'm like oh man and I'm like oh man like I don't think this is chill I'm like I don't think this is chill I'm like I don't think this is chill I'm like dude can you stop he stopped like dude can you stop he stopped like dude can you stop he stopped jacking off and he's like what do you jacking off and he's like what do you jacking off and he's like what do you mean like I thought this is what you mean like I thought this is what you mean like I thought this is what you want to do like I have money for you want to do like I have money for you want to do like I have money for you like what's up and I was like oh no I'm like what's up and I was like oh no I'm like what's up and I was like oh no I'm just a regular guy he was super cool just a regular guy he was super cool just a regular guy he was super cool about it he started laughing he was like about it he started laughing he was like about it he started laughing he was like oh my bad man I thought you were you oh my bad man I thought you were you oh my bad man I thought you were you know selling something I said no and he know selling something I said no and he know selling something I said no and he said oh it's all good and he gave me a said oh it's all good and he gave me a said oh it's all good and he gave me a ride all the way to Houston that's great ride all the way to Houston that's great ride all the way to Houston that's great yeah we talked about anything except yeah we talked about anything except yeah we talked about anything except that for the rest of the car ride that's that for the rest of the car ride that's that for the rest of the car ride that's great it was just rolled with it oh great it was just rolled with it oh great it was just rolled with it oh sorry about that it could I mean I had sorry about that it could I mean I had sorry about that it could I mean I had about a foot and a half on this guy so I about a foot and a half on this guy so I about a foot and a half on this guy so I wasn't too scared I also had like a wasn't too scared I also had like a wasn't too scared I also had like a knife in my pocket but I didn't want to knife in my pocket but I didn't want to knife in my pocket but I didn't want to stab him especially not at a place like stab him especially not at a place like stab him especially not at a place like that and you were still that that didn't that and you were still that that didn't that and you were still that that didn't like leave a bad taste your mouth well I like leave a bad taste your mouth well I like leave a bad taste your mouth well I figured that can't happen again it can't figured that can't happen again it can't figured that can't happen again it can't keep happening so I was like all right keep happening so I was like all right keep happening so I was like all right if I got this out of the way the first if I got this out of the way the first if I got this out of the way the first ride the following rides are going to be ride the following rides are going to be ride the following rides are going to be spectacular yeah I spectacular yeah I spectacular yeah I mean who Among Us have not been mistaken mean who Among Us have not been mistaken mean who Among Us have not been mistaken for a lot lizard it's a fact you heard for a lot lizard it's a fact you heard for a lot lizard it's a fact you heard it here first what else what what some it here first what else what what some it here first what else what what some interesting interesting interesting beautiful people that you've met well I beautiful people that you've met well I beautiful people that you've met well I use the app uh couch surfing to find use the app uh couch surfing to find use the app uh couch surfing to find places to stay now you can only submit places to stay now you can only submit places to stay now you can only submit like five couch surfing requests a day

like five couch surfing requests a day like five couch surfing requests a day unless you're a premium member which unless you're a premium member which unless you're a premium member which means you also host People couch surfing means you also host People couch surfing means you also host People couch surfing is still around yeah yeah totally oh is still around yeah yeah totally oh is still around yeah yeah totally oh nice but it's evolved obviously into a nice but it's evolved obviously into a nice but it's evolved obviously into a different thing Airbnb is a kind of different thing Airbnb is a kind of different thing Airbnb is a kind of competitor to that right couch surfing competitor to that right couch surfing competitor to that right couch surfing is free though right so couch surfing is free though right so couch surfing is free though right so couch surfing they call it like the Cs community so they call it like the Cs community so they call it like the Cs community so basically there'd be these like couch basically there'd be these like couch basically there'd be these like couch surfing super hosts in different cities surfing super hosts in different cities surfing super hosts in different cities like there was one in Santa Fe this like there was one in Santa Fe this like there was one in Santa Fe this firefighter dude who had like 15 other firefighter dude who had like 15 other firefighter dude who had like 15 other couch Surfers there chilling nice um so couch Surfers there chilling nice um so couch Surfers there chilling nice um so I would do it everywhere A lot of them I would do it everywhere A lot of them I would do it everywhere A lot of them were um were um were um Catholics you know so it was their way Catholics you know so it was their way Catholics you know so it was their way of giving back a lot of them were of giving back a lot of them were of giving back a lot of them were nudists and so I didn't realize that nudists and so I didn't realize that nudists and so I didn't realize that there's a small little section at the there's a small little section at the there's a small little section at the bottom of someone's couch surfing bottom of someone's couch surfing bottom of someone's couch surfing profile that says clothing optional yes profile that says clothing optional yes profile that says clothing optional yes and that means if you go there I thought and that means if you go there I thought and that means if you go there I thought it meant like it's cool if you walk to it meant like it's cool if you walk to it meant like it's cool if you walk to the bathroom in your underwear no if you the bathroom in your underwear no if you the bathroom in your underwear no if you go there everyone's going to be butt go there everyone's going to be butt go there everyone's going to be butt naked so I I made that mistake a few naked so I I made that mistake a few naked so I I made that mistake a few times not that I'm anti- nudist but I times not that I'm anti- nudist but I times not that I'm anti- nudist but I didn't want to you know I wasn't ready didn't want to you know I wasn't ready didn't want to you know I wasn't ready to take that leap of faith and uh yeah to take that leap of faith and uh yeah to take that leap of faith and uh yeah it was just great couch Roofing hosts it was just great couch Roofing hosts it was just great couch Roofing hosts were amazing yeah that was just great it were amazing yeah that was just great it were amazing yeah that was just great it was this constant thing where I felt was this constant thing where I felt was this constant thing where I felt like wow people are so welcoming I'm not like wow people are so welcoming I'm not like wow people are so welcoming I'm not having to pay them a dollar for this having to pay them a dollar for this having to pay them a dollar for this experience yeah I love couch surfing for experience yeah I love couch surfing for experience yeah I love couch surfing for like again for me being an introvert like again for me being an introvert like again for me being an introvert just crashing on a person's couch being just crashing on a person's couch being just crashing on a person's couch being essentially forced into a great essentially forced into a great essentially forced into a great conversation is great yeah the one thing conversation is great yeah the one thing conversation is great yeah the one thing that gets exhausting about hitchhiking that gets exhausting about hitchhiking that gets exhausting about hitchhiking is constantly thanking people you know is constantly thanking people you know is constantly thanking people you know being in like sort of constant being in like sort of constant being in like sort of constant superficial gratitude everywhere all the superficial gratitude everywhere all the superficial gratitude everywhere all the time like oh thanks for letting me sleep time like oh thanks for letting me sleep time like oh thanks for letting me sleep on your couch thanks for the food yeah on your couch thanks for the food yeah on your couch thanks for the food yeah part of the reason I wanted to live in

part of the reason I wanted to live in part of the reason I wanted to live in an art later in life is to avoid having an art later in life is to avoid having an art later in life is to avoid having to constantly live in this like thanks to constantly live in this like thanks to constantly live in this like thanks so much type of frequency cuz it's so much type of frequency cuz it's so much type of frequency cuz it's exhausting to constantly hey man thanks exhausting to constantly hey man thanks exhausting to constantly hey man thanks I think the shallowness of that I think the shallowness of that I think the shallowness of that interaction is exhausting not just the interaction is exhausting not just the interaction is exhausting not just the not not the thanks yeah if it was a true not not the thanks yeah if it was a true not not the thanks yeah if it was a true favor of course I I love giving people favor of course I I love giving people favor of course I I love giving people gratitude for that but just this thing gratitude for that but just this thing gratitude for that but just this thing where everyone who picks you up is you where everyone who picks you up is you where everyone who picks you up is you know you get you get eight rides a day know you get you get eight rides a day know you get you get eight rides a day you're like thanking eight people a day you're like thanking eight people a day you're like thanking eight people a day like they're you know the second coming like they're you know the second coming like they're you know the second coming of Jesus you start to feel a little bit of Jesus you start to feel a little bit of Jesus you start to feel a little bit debased what did you learn about people debased what did you learn about people debased what did you learn about people from that from that Journey that's your from that from that Journey that's your from that from that Journey that's your first time really kind of going into it first time really kind of going into it first time really kind of going into it that the American public is just so kind that the American public is just so kind that the American public is just so kind overall I mean they're so like embracing overall I mean they're so like embracing overall I mean they're so like embracing depending on who you are and depending on who you are and depending on who you are and specifically though the Christian family specifically though the Christian family specifically though the Christian family people of the US who drive in minivans people of the US who drive in minivans people of the US who drive in minivans and have that that Fish sticker on the and have that that Fish sticker on the and have that that Fish sticker on the back where it's like Jesus fish and then back where it's like Jesus fish and then back where it's like Jesus fish and then they have the family sticker you know they have the family sticker you know they have the family sticker you know where each member of the family is a Act where each member of the family is a Act where each member of the family is a Act is stick is stick is stick figure those people never picked me up figure those people never picked me up figure those people never picked me up and would flip me off with their whole and would flip me off with their whole and would flip me off with their whole family sometimes they would throw full family sometimes they would throw full family sometimes they would throw full Dr Peppers at me as a family while I Dr Peppers at me as a family while I Dr Peppers at me as a family while I stood on the side of the r as a family stood on the side of the r as a family stood on the side of the r as a family together they yell shit like go to hell together they yell shit like go to hell together they yell shit like go to hell hippie when I was on the side of the hippie when I was on the side of the hippie when I was on the side of the road and so it's weird that the road and so it's weird that the road and so it's weird that the most charitable Christian American most charitable Christian American most charitable Christian American Family Values people never gave me any Family Values people never gave me any Family Values people never gave me any charity or even conversation they were charity or even conversation they were charity or even conversation they were antagonizing me and saw me as like a antagonizing me and saw me as like a antagonizing me and saw me as like a hippie left over from the 60s who needed hippie left over from the 60s who needed hippie left over from the 60s who needed to go to work go to Vietnam I don't get to go to work go to Vietnam I don't get to go to work go to Vietnam I don't get it yeah but uh the people who really

it yeah but uh the people who really it yeah but uh the people who really extended a hand to me is people on the extended a hand to me is people on the extended a hand to me is people on the margins yeah people working on seasonal margins yeah people working on seasonal margins yeah people working on seasonal visas people whose cars have you know visas people whose cars have you know visas people whose cars have you know less than a quarter tank left people less than a quarter tank left people less than a quarter tank left people struggling with addiction who saw me struggling with addiction who saw me struggling with addiction who saw me struggling or at least they thought that struggling or at least they thought that struggling or at least they thought that I was because they assumed I was I was because they assumed I was I was because they assumed I was hitchhiking not out of Adventure but hitchhiking not out of Adventure but hitchhiking not out of Adventure but because I had no car and were willing to because I had no car and were willing to because I had no car and were willing to get sacrifice their day almost sometimes get sacrifice their day almost sometimes get sacrifice their day almost sometimes to take me exactly where I needed to go to take me exactly where I needed to go to take me exactly where I needed to go that's beautiful man I've had similar that's beautiful man I've had similar that's beautiful man I've had similar kind of experience that people who are kind of experience that people who are kind of experience that people who are struggling the most are the ones who are struggling the most are the ones who are struggling the most are the ones who are to help you when you're struggling yeah to help you when you're struggling yeah to help you when you're struggling yeah there's there's people like in religious there's there's people like in religious there's there's people like in religious context and other kind of communities context and other kind of communities context and other kind of communities that just judge that just judge that just judge others because they've kind of others because they've kind of others because they've kind of constructed a value system where they're constructed a value system where they're constructed a value system where they're better than others because of that value better than others because of that value better than others because of that value system and that that actually has system and that that actually has system and that that actually has a Cascade that forces you to actually be a Cascade that forces you to actually be a Cascade that forces you to actually be kind of a dick yeah I never thought kind of a dick yeah I never thought kind of a dick yeah I never thought about that way it's so true do you think about that way it's so true do you think about that way it's so true do you think about like morality and religion a lot about like morality and religion a lot about like morality and religion a lot yeah yeah yeah I've been to certain yeah yeah yeah I've been to certain yeah yeah yeah I've been to certain parts of the world world where religion parts of the world world where religion parts of the world world where religion is really a big part of is really a big part of is really a big part of life I'm just life I'm just life I'm just uh always skeptical uh always skeptical uh always skeptical about tribes of people that believe a about tribes of people that believe a about tribes of people that believe a thing and believe they're better than thing and believe they're better than thing and believe they're better than others because they believe that thing others because they believe that thing others because they believe that thing that could be Nations that could be that could be Nations that could be that could be Nations that could be religions yeah and I I mean in Ukraine religions yeah and I I mean in Ukraine religions yeah and I I mean in Ukraine and in Russia I've seen a lot of hate and in Russia I've seen a lot of hate and in Russia I've seen a lot of hate towards the other yeah and that that towards the other yeah and that that towards the other yeah and that that hate I'm always very skeptical of hate I'm always very skeptical of hate I'm always very skeptical of because it could be used by powerful because it could be used by powerful because it could be used by powerful people to direct that

people to direct that people to direct that hate uh just so the powerful people can hate uh just so the powerful people can hate uh just so the powerful people can maintain power and get money this kind maintain power and get money this kind maintain power and get money this kind of stuff it's a scary thing to see how of stuff it's a scary thing to see how of stuff it's a scary thing to see how easy it is for high up political people easy it is for high up political people easy it is for high up political people to mobilize the hate of just the average to mobilize the hate of just the average to mobilize the hate of just the average working person and can almost convince working person and can almost convince working person and can almost convince them to sabotage their own countrymen them to sabotage their own countrymen them to sabotage their own countrymen who they share more in common with than who they share more in common with than who they share more in common with than the politician they look up to just to the politician they look up to just to the politician they look up to just to advance the agenda of one party that's advance the agenda of one party that's advance the agenda of one party that's what we're seeing now are there some what we're seeing now are there some what we're seeing now are there some places in America that are better than places in America that are better than places in America that are better than others can you can you speak negatively others can you can you speak negatively others can you can you speak negatively M of um like uh aforementioned Joe Rogan M of um like uh aforementioned Joe Rogan M of um like uh aforementioned Joe Rogan talk shit about Connecticut nonstop is talk shit about Connecticut nonstop is talk shit about Connecticut nonstop is there can you pick a region in the there can you pick a region in the there can you pick a region in the United States you can talk shit about to United States you can talk shit about to United States you can talk shit about to talk shit about oh for sure I talk shit about oh for sure I talk shit about oh for sure I mean from that experience let's just mean from that experience let's just mean from that experience let's just narrow it down to that oh Colorado oh narrow it down to that oh Colorado oh narrow it down to that oh Colorado oh Jesus really yes I know so many people Jesus really yes I know so many people Jesus really yes I know so many people that love Colorado dude Dallas Denver um that love Colorado dude Dallas Denver um that love Colorado dude Dallas Denver um I used to think Phoenix sucks but I love I used to think Phoenix sucks but I love I used to think Phoenix sucks but I love Phoenix now the way they build these Phoenix now the way they build these Phoenix now the way they build these cities to just be so circular and cities to just be so circular and cities to just be so circular and massive it's just like stop it you don't massive it's just like stop it you don't massive it's just like stop it you don't like circles I like grids man like circles I like grids man like circles I like grids man oh you're a grid guy Manhattan New oh you're a grid guy Manhattan New oh you're a grid guy Manhattan New Orleans San Francisco what is it about Orleans San Francisco what is it about Orleans San Francisco what is it about grids that bring out the worst in grids that bring out the worst in grids that bring out the worst in people circles is where every just people circles is where every just people circles is where every just there's a everyone's just vibing outy there's a everyone's just vibing outy there's a everyone's just vibing outy Goosey but the grid gets people locked Goosey but the grid gets people locked Goosey but the grid gets people locked in hateful I don't know man but I've in hateful I don't know man but I've in hateful I don't know man but I've never heard anyone talk shit about never heard anyone talk shit about never heard anyone talk shit about Colorado I have to say it's kind of Colorado I have to say it's kind of Colorado I have to say it's kind of refreshing it provides a necessary refreshing it provides a necessary refreshing it provides a necessary balance for the Colorado Wikipedia page balance for the Colorado Wikipedia page balance for the Colorado Wikipedia page yeah oh Oregon too I got problems with yeah oh Oregon too I got problems with yeah oh Oregon too I got problems with Oregon Oregon yeah well here's the issue Oregon Oregon yeah well here's the issue Oregon Oregon yeah well here's the issue you have and I don't like just calling you have and I don't like just calling you have and I don't like just calling people racist cuz it's kind of like a

people racist cuz it's kind of like a people racist cuz it's kind of like a two-dimensional insult but you have the two-dimensional insult but you have the two-dimensional insult but you have the most racist state with the most most racist state with the most most racist state with the most psychotic Anarchist City in the middle psychotic Anarchist City in the middle psychotic Anarchist City in the middle of it what is going on up there how did of it what is going on up there how did of it what is going on up there how did this happen the the yin and the Yang is this happen the the yin and the Yang is this happen the the yin and the Yang is so extreme that there must be something so extreme that there must be something so extreme that there must be something in the in the wam what do you have in the in the wam what do you have in the in the wam what do you have against anarchism I have nothing I used against anarchism I have nothing I used against anarchism I have nothing I used to be an anarchist when I was in eth to be an anarchist when I was in eth to be an anarchist when I was in eth grade I had this friend named mads who grade I had this friend named mads who grade I had this friend named mads who was part of a group called Seattle was part of a group called Seattle was part of a group called Seattle solidarity which is like an antifa solidarity which is like an antifa solidarity which is like an antifa precursor so I grew up like going to precursor so I grew up like going to precursor so I grew up like going to Black Block protests and I mean there Black Block protests and I mean there Black Block protests and I mean there was a particular shooting the murder of was a particular shooting the murder of was a particular shooting the murder of John Williams who's a Native American John Williams who's a Native American John Williams who's a Native American wood carver in downtown Seattle he got wood carver in downtown Seattle he got wood carver in downtown Seattle he got killed by a Seattle police officer named killed by a Seattle police officer named killed by a Seattle police officer named Ian Burke he John Williams was carving a Ian Burke he John Williams was carving a Ian Burke he John Williams was carving a a pipe or from a wood block with a a pipe or from a wood block with a a pipe or from a wood block with a pocket knife he's deaf in one ear pocket knife he's deaf in one ear pocket knife he's deaf in one ear officer pulls a gun on him and says put officer pulls a gun on him and says put officer pulls a gun on him and says put it down he doesn't hear him he shoots it down he doesn't hear him he shoots it down he doesn't hear him he shoots him 6 seconds later so that police him 6 seconds later so that police him 6 seconds later so that police involved shooting is what instantly involved shooting is what instantly involved shooting is what instantly turned me into like a very critical of turned me into like a very critical of turned me into like a very critical of law enforcement kind of person person law enforcement kind of person person law enforcement kind of person person when I was super young and so as someone when I was super young and so as someone when I was super young and so as someone who used to see this guy who got who used to see this guy who got who used to see this guy who got murdered who was a 55-year-old man I murdered who was a 55-year-old man I murdered who was a 55-year-old man I used to see him around pike place where used to see him around pike place where used to see him around pike place where my mom lived it's a public market in my mom lived it's a public market in my mom lived it's a public market in downtown that to me put me into the downtown that to me put me into the downtown that to me put me into the anarchist political sphere be just just anarchist political sphere be just just anarchist political sphere be just just channeling the anger of that experience channeling the anger of that experience channeling the anger of that experience and the officer got no charges by the and the officer got no charges by the and the officer got no charges by the way you can look up the video it's way you can look up the video it's way you can look up the video it's horrific you know and it didn't get horrific you know and it didn't get horrific you know and it didn't get reported the officer I'm pretty sure is reported the officer I'm pretty sure is reported the officer I'm pretty sure is still active duty and so it's like still active duty and so it's like still active duty and so it's like situations like that early in life situations like that early in life situations like that early in life Chanel me toward political extremism but

Chanel me toward political extremism but Chanel me toward political extremism but I grew up to realize how um incompatible I grew up to realize how um incompatible I grew up to realize how um incompatible that anarchistic worldview is with that anarchistic worldview is with that anarchistic worldview is with reality and with the with American reality and with the with American reality and with the with American society can only exist in a small little society can only exist in a small little society can only exist in a small little chamber you know you can't apply that to chamber you know you can't apply that to chamber you know you can't apply that to the industrial Heartland of the country the industrial Heartland of the country the industrial Heartland of the country and I think also anarchism so gotten to and I think also anarchism so gotten to and I think also anarchism so gotten to know Michael malice who's written quite know Michael malice who's written quite know Michael malice who's written quite a bit about anarchism and it's also a bit about anarchism and it's also a bit about anarchism and it's also exists as a body of literature about exists as a body of literature about exists as a body of literature about different philosophical Notions that different philosophical Notions that different philosophical Notions that kind of res the state the ever expanding kind of res the state the ever expanding kind of res the state the ever expanding state in different kinds of ways and state in different kinds of ways and state in different kinds of ways and it's it's always nice to have extreme it's it's always nice to have extreme it's it's always nice to have extreme thought experiments to understand what thought experiments to understand what thought experiments to understand what kind of society we want to build but kind of society we want to build but kind of society we want to build but implementing it may not necessarily be a implementing it may not necessarily be a implementing it may not necessarily be a good idea yeah me Emma Goldman I'm a good idea yeah me Emma Goldman I'm a good idea yeah me Emma Goldman I'm a huge fan of her writing um also the huge fan of her writing um also the huge fan of her writing um also the prison abolitionists that are associated prison abolitionists that are associated prison abolitionists that are associated with the anarchist movement Angela Davis with the anarchist movement Angela Davis with the anarchist movement Angela Davis Ruth Wilson Gilmore all that stuff Ruth Wilson Gilmore all that stuff Ruth Wilson Gilmore all that stuff influential I still adhere to a lot of influential I still adhere to a lot of influential I still adhere to a lot of those principles when talking about those principles when talking about those principles when talking about stuff like radical prison reform and stuff like radical prison reform and stuff like radical prison reform and stuff like that but just uh I I drifted stuff like that but just uh I I drifted stuff like that but just uh I I drifted more toward having a more open mind as I more toward having a more open mind as I more toward having a more open mind as I got older extremism implemented in got older extremism implemented in got older extremism implemented in almost all of its forms is probably almost all of its forms is probably almost all of its forms is probably going to cause a lot of suffering yeah going to cause a lot of suffering yeah going to cause a lot of suffering yeah you worked as a door man on the uh I you worked as a door man on the uh I you worked as a door man on the uh I could say legendary Bourbon Street in could say legendary Bourbon Street in could say legendary Bourbon Street in New Orleans uh where you saw what you New Orleans uh where you saw what you New Orleans uh where you saw what you described as this might be another described as this might be another described as this might be another Wikipedia quote by the way this is where Wikipedia quote by the way this is where Wikipedia quote by the way this is where I do my research Wikipedia hellish I do my research Wikipedia hellish I do my research Wikipedia hellish scenes hellish scenes and quotes scenes hellish scenes and quotes scenes hellish scenes and quotes Wikipedia is damn right about that all

Wikipedia is damn right about that all Wikipedia is damn right about that all right thank right thank right thank you that's a win that's one in the wind you that's a win that's one in the wind you that's a win that's one in the wind column uh so yeah tell the story of that column uh so yeah tell the story of that column uh so yeah tell the story of that what's it like to work on bur stre what what's it like to work on bur stre what what's it like to work on bur stre what kind of stuff did you see I mean I was a kind of stuff did you see I mean I was a kind of stuff did you see I mean I was a host at a at a fine dining restaurant host at a at a fine dining restaurant host at a at a fine dining restaurant that on the corner of bourbon and that on the corner of bourbon and that on the corner of bourbon and Iberville so that's the first street if Iberville so that's the first street if Iberville so that's the first street if you go from Canal Street onto the you go from Canal Street onto the you go from Canal Street onto the quarter so this is like across from like quarter so this is like across from like quarter so this is like across from like a dackery spot it's the the middle of a dackery spot it's the the middle of a dackery spot it's the the middle of the tourist Corridor of New Orleans and the tourist Corridor of New Orleans and the tourist Corridor of New Orleans and the spot was kind of like an kind of a the spot was kind of like an kind of a the spot was kind of like an kind of a tourist trap it was called Bourbon House tourist trap it was called Bourbon House tourist trap it was called Bourbon House the food was good Chef Eric I don't want the food was good Chef Eric I don't want the food was good Chef Eric I don't want you to see this and think you don't make you to see this and think you don't make you to see this and think you don't make good and Dey sausages but it was good and Dey sausages but it was good and Dey sausages but it was overpriced and so I had to we had to overpriced and so I had to we had to overpriced and so I had to we had to maintain this like fine dining facade on maintain this like fine dining facade on maintain this like fine dining facade on a street where almost everyone is like a street where almost everyone is like a street where almost everyone is like throwing up fighting or is half naked so throwing up fighting or is half naked so throwing up fighting or is half naked so there was this policy we had these giant there was this policy we had these giant there was this policy we had these giant glass windows next to the the the tables glass windows next to the the the tables glass windows next to the the the tables so if you're eating at at Bourbon House so if you're eating at at Bourbon House so if you're eating at at Bourbon House you can look out onto Bourbon Street and you can look out onto Bourbon Street and you can look out onto Bourbon Street and you can see as you're dining a full you can see as you're dining a full you can see as you're dining a full panoramic view of all these partyers panoramic view of all these partyers panoramic view of all these partyers throwing beads boobs all that y we had throwing beads boobs all that y we had throwing beads boobs all that y we had this policy where if we're serving this policy where if we're serving this policy where if we're serving someone we can't look onto Bourbon someone we can't look onto Bourbon someone we can't look onto Bourbon Street if something crazy is happening Street if something crazy is happening Street if something crazy is happening so there's a fight or something like so there's a fight or something like so there's a fight or something like that we can't look right so there is a that we can't look right so there is a that we can't look right so there is a dude I remember I'm fucking serving a dude I remember I'm fucking serving a dude I remember I'm fucking serving a table there's a dude in a Batman mask table there's a dude in a Batman mask table there's a dude in a Batman mask butt naked with 12 pairs of beads just butt naked with 12 pairs of beads just butt naked with 12 pairs of beads just jerking it yeah back to jerking it he's jerking it yeah back to jerking it he's jerking it yeah back to jerking it he's jerking it right and every every single jerking it right and every every single jerking it right and every every single person at the restaurant's looking out person at the restaurant's looking out person at the restaurant's looking out there like look they're taking pictures there like look they're taking pictures there like look they're taking pictures and the manager Sten looks at me he like and the manager Sten looks at me he like and the manager Sten looks at me he like keep your fucking eyes on the table so keep your fucking eyes on the table so keep your fucking eyes on the table so I'm serving these people you know I'm

I'm serving these people you know I'm I'm serving these people you know I'm like you want you like red beans and like you want you like red beans and like you want you like red beans and rice or would you like some Creo fucking rice or would you like some Creo fucking rice or would you like some Creo fucking and uh there's just this dude and you and uh there's just this dude and you and uh there's just this dude and you know ultimately the manager went out and know ultimately the manager went out and know ultimately the manager went out and you know escorted him further down you know escorted him further down you know escorted him further down Bourbon Street but you know I would get Bourbon Street but you know I would get Bourbon Street but you know I would get off work at around midnight every night off work at around midnight every night off work at around midnight every night and that was when Bourbon Street is at and that was when Bourbon Street is at and that was when Bourbon Street is at its most chaotic and so I lived in the its most chaotic and so I lived in the its most chaotic and so I lived in the French Quarter as well so I lived I French Quarter as well so I lived I French Quarter as well so I lived I lived about 12 blocks down bourbon on at lived about 12 blocks down bourbon on at lived about 12 blocks down bourbon on at a in a small Creo Cott a cute little a in a small Creo Cott a cute little a in a small Creo Cott a cute little like orange Old School New Orleans one like orange Old School New Orleans one like orange Old School New Orleans one story spot I lived in the Attic above story spot I lived in the Attic above story spot I lived in the Attic above these uh these gay meth dealers named these uh these gay meth dealers named these uh these gay meth dealers named Frankie and Johnny oh wow and so I would Frankie and Johnny oh wow and so I would Frankie and Johnny oh wow and so I would get off work and I would basically have get off work and I would basically have get off work and I would basically have to walk through like this battlefield I to walk through like this battlefield I to walk through like this battlefield I mean it was a battlefield getting home mean it was a battlefield getting home mean it was a battlefield getting home was out of like the Warriors movie it was out of like the Warriors movie it was out of like the Warriors movie it was of Humanity on display yeah it was was of Humanity on display yeah it was was of Humanity on display yeah it was like Kensington Philadelphia but just like Kensington Philadelphia but just like Kensington Philadelphia but just alcohol you know what I mean oh it's all alcohol you know what I mean oh it's all alcohol you know what I mean oh it's all alcohol but it's a lot of a lot of alcohol but it's a lot of a lot of alcohol but it's a lot of a lot of visitors right from outside almost all visitors right from outside almost all visitors right from outside almost all visitors yeah and that that kind of visitors yeah and that that kind of visitors yeah and that that kind of would set the flow for the weekend for would set the flow for the weekend for would set the flow for the weekend for example if the Raiders were playing the example if the Raiders were playing the example if the Raiders were playing the Saints Raider Nation and they do not Saints Raider Nation and they do not Saints Raider Nation and they do not play around if it's the Patriots that's play around if it's the Patriots that's play around if it's the Patriots that's a whole different crowd they think a whole different crowd they think a whole different crowd they think they're better than everybody else yeah they're better than everybody else yeah they're better than everybody else yeah well they technically are better than well they technically are better than well they technically are better than everybody else but yeah but people from everybody else but yeah but people from everybody else but yeah but people from Massachusetts aren't like the cream of Massachusetts aren't like the cream of Massachusetts aren't like the cream of the crop in terms of like American the crop in terms of like American the crop in terms of like American superiority strong words yeah no no superiority strong words yeah no no superiority strong words yeah no no offense but I mean no that's I'm sure offense but I mean no that's I'm sure offense but I mean no that's I'm sure they won't take that as much they are they won't take that as much they are they won't take that as much they are good at fighting though I'll tell you good at fighting though I'll tell you good at fighting though I'll tell you that all right great New England has that all right great New England has that all right great New England has hands compared to some places which hands compared to some places which hands compared to some places which places are those Colorado Colorado has places are those Colorado Colorado has places are those Colorado Colorado has no hands

no hands no hands yeah the West Coast not too much hand yeah the West Coast not too much hand yeah the West Coast not too much hand that's why you feel safe talking shit that's why you feel safe talking shit that's why you feel safe talking shit about Colorado but if you get to the about Colorado but if you get to the about Colorado but if you get to the cornfed parts of East Colorado I mean cornfed parts of East Colorado I mean cornfed parts of East Colorado I mean these guys got hands bigger than my head these guys got hands bigger than my head these guys got hands bigger than my head they'll beat the shit out of me but they'll beat the shit out of me but they'll beat the shit out of me but anyways I'd walk back to uh to my house anyways I'd walk back to uh to my house anyways I'd walk back to uh to my house on Bourbon Street and I would be sifting on Bourbon Street and I would be sifting on Bourbon Street and I would be sifting through this battlefield and I had a through this battlefield and I had a through this battlefield and I had a friend at the time who's like yo we friend at the time who's like yo we friend at the time who's like yo we should do a a taxi capab confessions should do a a taxi capab confessions should do a a taxi capab confessions type spin-off where we ask people to type spin-off where we ask people to type spin-off where we ask people to confess a deep dark secret and we posted confess a deep dark secret and we posted confess a deep dark secret and we posted the next day and so we we tried that and the next day and so we we tried that and the next day and so we we tried that and it went viral on Instagram instantly it it went viral on Instagram instantly it it went viral on Instagram instantly it was mostly incest stories you know was mostly incest stories you know was mostly incest stories you know people admitting to incest I know it's a people admitting to incest I know it's a people admitting to incest I know it's a common Southern stereotype but there's common Southern stereotype but there's common Southern stereotype but there's some truth to it uh there was some some truth to it uh there was some some truth to it uh there was some murder confessions that was pretty crazy murder confessions that was pretty crazy murder confessions that was pretty crazy uh we never really posted any of those uh we never really posted any of those uh we never really posted any of those but how did you get people to confess but how did you get people to confess but how did you get people to confess pretty easy and New Orleans has a pretty easy and New Orleans has a pretty easy and New Orleans has a homicide solve rate of like 22% so I homicide solve rate of like 22% so I homicide solve rate of like 22% so I mean most of the time they'll they'll mean most of the time they'll they'll mean most of the time they'll they'll just tell you I remember I was I was just tell you I remember I was I was just tell you I remember I was I was walking down Bourbon and I asked this walking down Bourbon and I asked this walking down Bourbon and I asked this kid I was like what's your deepest dark kid I was like what's your deepest dark kid I was like what's your deepest dark of secret and he told me he's like I of secret and he told me he's like I of secret and he told me he's like I just smoked a dude in the Magnolia it's just smoked a dude in the Magnolia it's just smoked a dude in the Magnolia it's a project hous in the third W project a project hous in the third W project a project hous in the third W project development and they said I just smoked development and they said I just smoked development and they said I just smoked a dude in the Magnolia playground for a dude in the Magnolia playground for a dude in the Magnolia playground for touching my sister molesting his sister touching my sister molesting his sister touching my sister molesting his sister and I was like what and he was like yeah and I was like what and he was like yeah and I was like what and he was like yeah look it up and I was like all right hold look it up and I was like all right hold look it up and I was like all right hold on and it it was like man found dead in on and it it was like man found dead in on and it it was like man found dead in Central City playground like a appeared Central City playground like a appeared Central City playground like a appeared to be homeless shot execution style so I to be homeless shot execution style so I to be homeless shot execution style so I told the kid I was like why'd you tell told the kid I was like why'd you tell told the kid I was like why'd you tell me that he's like man put that shit out me that he's like man put that shit out me that he's like man put that shit out there like I'm trying to go viral like there like I'm trying to go viral like there like I'm trying to go viral like tag me too oh wow I don't think you tag me too oh wow I don't think you tag me too oh wow I don't think you understand that even if you're a understand that even if you're a understand that even if you're a juvenile he was probably 15 you can go

juvenile he was probably 15 you can go juvenile he was probably 15 you can go you can get juvenile life in Louisiana you can get juvenile life in Louisiana you can get juvenile life in Louisiana for a homicide even if it's you know for a homicide even if it's you know for a homicide even if it's you know Justified so uh I just deleted the Justified so uh I just deleted the Justified so uh I just deleted the footage in front of him I was like I'm footage in front of him I was like I'm footage in front of him I was like I'm going to delete this footage see that going to delete this footage see that going to delete this footage see that trash button I'm hitting it right now trash button I'm hitting it right now trash button I'm hitting it right now don't tell anyone that again and he was don't tell anyone that again and he was don't tell anyone that again and he was like all right I appreciate it and he like all right I appreciate it and he like all right I appreciate it and he walked off but it's the little little walked off but it's the little little walked off but it's the little little moments like that I always anything for moments like that I always anything for moments like that I always anything for the Graham I guess yeah after a while the Graham I guess yeah after a while the Graham I guess yeah after a while though it became sort of uh repetitive though it became sort of uh repetitive though it became sort of uh repetitive you know because there's only so many you know because there's only so many you know because there's only so many things that people can confess to that things that people can confess to that things that people can confess to that are that go viral you know and just oh are that go viral you know and just oh are that go viral you know and just oh so you were trying to see like what well so you were trying to see like what well so you were trying to see like what well I mean there's the incest one some I mean there's the incest one some I mean there's the incest one some people just say like I eat ass that was people just say like I eat ass that was people just say like I eat ass that was like every everyone said that like I like every everyone said that like I like every everyone said that like I cheated on someone or I've seen a cheated on someone or I've seen a cheated on someone or I've seen a surprising number of people on your surprising number of people on your surprising number of people on your channel say mention eating ass yeah the way how how seriously you said yeah the way how how seriously you said that will live in my head for the rest that will live in my head for the rest that will live in my head for the rest of my life that's good yeah I want you I of my life that's good yeah I want you I of my life that's good yeah I want you I want to live in your head saying that a want to live in your head saying that a want to live in your head saying that a lot of people mention eating ass yeah a lot of people mention eating ass yeah a lot of people mention eating ass yeah a lot of people do mention that yeah also lot of people do mention that yeah also lot of people do mention that yeah also that's kind of where I develop this that's kind of where I develop this that's kind of where I develop this magnetism for freestyle rapping you know magnetism for freestyle rapping you know magnetism for freestyle rapping you know everywhere I go people rap not sure why everywhere I go people rap not sure why everywhere I go people rap not sure why I mean as a former rapper myself in I mean as a former rapper myself in I mean as a former rapper myself in middle school and for the first year of middle school and for the first year of middle school and for the first year of high school I think that maybe like it high school I think that maybe like it high school I think that maybe like it takes one to no one but everywhere I go takes one to no one but everywhere I go takes one to no one but everywhere I go people start rapping if you and me went people start rapping if you and me went people start rapping if you and me went outside of podcast studio and walked outside of podcast studio and walked outside of podcast studio and walked around for 5 minutes I could find around for 5 minutes I could find around for 5 minutes I could find somebody it's rapping I can tell who somebody it's rapping I can tell who somebody it's rapping I can tell who raps or who can rap who has eight bars raps or who can rap who has eight bars raps or who can rap who has eight bars in their head that they're ready to go I

in their head that they're ready to go I in their head that they're ready to go I think you're also there's something think you're also there's something think you're also there's something about you that gives them creates the about you that gives them creates the about you that gives them creates the safe space yeah to uh perform their art safe space yeah to uh perform their art safe space yeah to uh perform their art yeah that was the quarter confession yeah that was the quarter confession yeah that was the quarter confession series was the first time you saw the series was the first time you saw the series was the first time you saw the suit that's when the suit came out yeah suit that's when the suit came out yeah suit that's when the suit came out yeah it was kind of like a Ron Burgundy Eric it was kind of like a Ron Burgundy Eric it was kind of like a Ron Burgundy Eric Andre inspired type where' did you get Andre inspired type where' did you get Andre inspired type where' did you get that suit Goodwill Goodwill yeah always that suit Goodwill Goodwill yeah always that suit Goodwill Goodwill yeah always wow I was playing checkers you're wow I was playing checkers you're wow I was playing checkers you're playing chess good job I mean Goodwill playing chess good job I mean Goodwill playing chess good job I mean Goodwill has a surprising amount of identical has a surprising amount of identical has a surprising amount of identical gray suits for sale yeah I've actually gray suits for sale yeah I've actually gray suits for sale yeah I've actually gotten suits at uh at TH stores before gotten suits at uh at TH stores before gotten suits at uh at TH stores before they're great yeah a lot of people they're great yeah a lot of people they're great yeah a lot of people donate suits and I was going for donate suits and I was going for donate suits and I was going for oversized suits which are the cheapest oversized suits which are the cheapest oversized suits which are the cheapest ones there so yeah was like 12 bucks 12 ones there so yeah was like 12 bucks 12 ones there so yeah was like 12 bucks 12 to $25 every time for the outfit if I to $25 every time for the outfit if I to $25 every time for the outfit if I want it to look super sophisticated like want it to look super sophisticated like want it to look super sophisticated like like I'm from another era mhm I would go like I'm from another era mhm I would go like I'm from another era mhm I would go to Thrift Store yeah cuz there usually to Thrift Store yeah cuz there usually to Thrift Store yeah cuz there usually like this there's like a like the like this there's like a like the like this there's like a like the patterns they have it's just like a more patterns they have it's just like a more patterns they have it's just like a more sophisticated suit which is what you sophisticated suit which is what you sophisticated suit which is what you kind of picked out it made you look kind of picked out it made you look kind of picked out it made you look ridiculous but in the best kind of way ridiculous but in the best kind of way ridiculous but in the best kind of way the tough part about quarter confessions the tough part about quarter confessions the tough part about quarter confessions for me is that everybody that was for me is that everybody that was for me is that everybody that was featured for the most part would more or featured for the most part would more or featured for the most part would more or less regret being a part of the show less regret being a part of the show less regret being a part of the show yeah and that over time just gave me a yeah and that over time just gave me a yeah and that over time just gave me a bad feeling where I was like you know bad feeling where I was like you know bad feeling where I was like you know what I kind of feel like I'm doing an what I kind of feel like I'm doing an what I kind of feel like I'm doing an ambush interview especially cuz I'm ambush interview especially cuz I'm ambush interview especially cuz I'm presenting as so agreeable yet the presenting as so agreeable yet the presenting as so agreeable yet the intention is to make something funny intention is to make something funny intention is to make something funny yeah and I get that that's what people yeah and I get that that's what people yeah and I get that that's what people do in the satire sphere I'm sure Al and do in the satire sphere I'm sure Al and do in the satire sphere I'm sure Al and Bruno and Borat did the same thing and I Bruno and Borat did the same thing and I Bruno and Borat did the same thing and I don't think it's unethical cuz that's

don't think it's unethical cuz that's don't think it's unethical cuz that's all for the purposes of Comedy it is all for the purposes of Comedy it is all for the purposes of Comedy it is what it is but for me I wanted to do what it is but for me I wanted to do what it is but for me I wanted to do something different yeah because there's something different yeah because there's something different yeah because there's an intimacy to confessing a thing right an intimacy to confessing a thing right an intimacy to confessing a thing right and then you just don't really realize and then you just don't really realize and then you just don't really realize the implications of that and the the implications of that and the the implications of that and the atmosphere of Bourbon Street is like atmosphere of Bourbon Street is like atmosphere of Bourbon Street is like anything goes like it's a free-spirited anything goes like it's a free-spirited anything goes like it's a free-spirited place but if you transport that energy place but if you transport that energy place but if you transport that energy digitally to a different place like digitally to a different place like digitally to a different place like Colorado yeah they might look at it and Colorado yeah they might look at it and Colorado yeah they might look at it and be like different place in time like be like different place in time like be like different place in time like five years later right that same person five years later right that same person five years later right that same person has a family and stuff like this and all has a family and stuff like this and all has a family and stuff like this and all of a sudden they're talking about eating of a sudden they're talking about eating of a sudden they're talking about eating ass right exactly kids have to think ass right exactly kids have to think ass right exactly kids have to think about that or you know imagine if about that or you know imagine if about that or you know imagine if there's a video of your grandma or there's a video of your grandma or there's a video of your grandma or Grandpa out there when he was a kid Grandpa out there when he was a kid Grandpa out there when he was a kid talking about eating ass that's a talking about eating ass that's a talking about eating ass that's a horrible experience to to discover that horrible experience to to discover that horrible experience to to discover that about your you know respected Elder about your you know respected Elder about your you know respected Elder later in life it's tough I don't even later in life it's tough I don't even later in life it's tough I don't even know where to go with that but uh is is know where to go with that but uh is is know where to go with that but uh is is the literally the opening question the literally the opening question the literally the opening question question was tell me your deepest question was tell me your deepest question was tell me your deepest darkest secret uh yeah you just come up darkest secret uh yeah you just come up darkest secret uh yeah you just come up to somebody like that yeah how often do to somebody like that yeah how often do to somebody like that yeah how often do you get like a no how often what's the you get like a no how often what's the you get like a no how often what's the yes to no ratio well the weird thing is yes to no ratio well the weird thing is yes to no ratio well the weird thing is like we don't really um extract answers like we don't really um extract answers like we don't really um extract answers from people like what makes a good from people like what makes a good from people like what makes a good interview is when they're ready to talk interview is when they're ready to talk interview is when they're ready to talk the more you have to talk and try to get the more you have to talk and try to get the more you have to talk and try to get an answer out of them it it's just not a an answer out of them it it's just not a an answer out of them it it's just not a good vibe like so we kind of look for good vibe like so we kind of look for good vibe like so we kind of look for people who appear to be already ready to people who appear to be already ready to people who appear to be already ready to talk open body language like they seem talk open body language like they seem talk open body language like they seem confident in verbose and we approach confident in verbose and we approach confident in verbose and we approach them for there's a look we wouldn't them for there's a look we wouldn't them for there's a look we wouldn't approach a shy person and be like come approach a shy person and be like come approach a shy person and be like come on tell me no what about a person with on tell me no what about a person with on tell me no what about a person with pain in their eyes oh yeah we're pain in their eyes oh yeah we're pain in their eyes oh yeah we're interviewing them yeah so they're ready interviewing them yeah so they're ready interviewing them yeah so they're ready to talk they're just not like yeah

to talk they're just not like yeah to talk they're just not like yeah there's different ways to be there's different ways to be there's different ways to be ready right I see homeless people a lot ready right I see homeless people a lot ready right I see homeless people a lot and they always look fascinating and the and they always look fascinating and the and they always look fascinating and the ones I've talked to are always ones I've talked to are always ones I've talked to are always fascinating yeah we just did a video at fascinating yeah we just did a video at fascinating yeah we just did a video at the Vegas in the Vegas tunnels like the Vegas in the Vegas tunnels like the Vegas in the Vegas tunnels like trying to obviously it got taken down by trying to obviously it got taken down by trying to obviously it got taken down by Fox but whatever we have I was going to Fox but whatever we have I was going to Fox but whatever we have I was going to make a joke that I didn't see it make a joke that I didn't see it make a joke that I didn't see it we tried to help a lot of them by we tried to help a lot of them by we tried to help a lot of them by getting them getting them getting them IDs and when I made the documentary I IDs and when I made the documentary I IDs and when I made the documentary I had this idea that if I it's a big had this idea that if I it's a big had this idea that if I it's a big roadblock for them is getting roadblock for them is getting roadblock for them is getting identification without IDs you can't identification without IDs you can't identification without IDs you can't check into a homeless shelter you can't check into a homeless shelter you can't check into a homeless shelter you can't do day labor you can't qualify for do day labor you can't qualify for do day labor you can't qualify for housing nothing so when when we housing nothing so when when we housing nothing so when when we interviewed them they'd basically tell interviewed them they'd basically tell interviewed them they'd basically tell us if I had my ID I wouldn't be here and us if I had my ID I wouldn't be here and us if I had my ID I wouldn't be here and so we said okay we're going to really so we said okay we're going to really so we said okay we're going to really help this time we're not just going to help this time we're not just going to help this time we're not just going to talk to them about their struggles we're talk to them about their struggles we're talk to them about their struggles we're going to actively go out and get them going to actively go out and get them going to actively go out and get them IDs at the IDs at the IDs at the DMV so we did that and you know nothing DMV so we did that and you know nothing DMV so we did that and you know nothing you really changed in their life and we you really changed in their life and we you really changed in their life and we sat down with a recovery specialist who sat down with a recovery specialist who sat down with a recovery specialist who works directly with them day in and day works directly with them day in and day works directly with them day in and day out and he explained to me that he's out and he explained to me that he's out and he explained to me that he's been trying to do the same thing I tried been trying to do the same thing I tried been trying to do the same thing I tried to do in a onee period for the past 10 to do in a onee period for the past 10 to do in a onee period for the past 10 years and that they have deeper years and that they have deeper years and that they have deeper underlying traumas and pain that need to underlying traumas and pain that need to underlying traumas and pain that need to be dealt with far before they even take be dealt with far before they even take be dealt with far before they even take the steps to enter society as a housed the steps to enter society as a housed the steps to enter society as a housed person that's a heavy truth right there person that's a heavy truth right there person that's a heavy truth right there breaking that shame cycle has to come breaking that shame cycle has to come breaking that shame cycle has to come first because you you got to think right first because you you got to think right first because you you got to think right like I'm from a generation that like I'm from a generation that like I'm from a generation that romanticizes vagrancy and homelessness romanticizes vagrancy and homelessness romanticizes vagrancy and homelessness to a certain extent if it's called van to a certain extent if it's called van to a certain extent if it's called van life or if it is done in a way that's

life or if it is done in a way that's life or if it is done in a way that's sort of like Rolling Stone Willie Nelson sort of like Rolling Stone Willie Nelson sort of like Rolling Stone Willie Nelson hit the hit the hit the road people who are above 50 they feel road people who are above 50 they feel road people who are above 50 they feel really embarrassed to be in the spiral really embarrassed to be in the spiral really embarrassed to be in the spiral of homelessness they feel like failures of homelessness they feel like failures of homelessness they feel like failures a lot of them have kids who they weren't a lot of them have kids who they weren't a lot of them have kids who they weren't there for that's not the kind of pain there for that's not the kind of pain there for that's not the kind of pain that can be dealt with by giving someone that can be dealt with by giving someone that can be dealt with by giving someone a tiny home it's a good step forward but a tiny home it's a good step forward but a tiny home it's a good step forward but to to for someone to really make a to to for someone to really make a to to for someone to really make a change they have to want to change and change they have to want to change and change they have to want to change and so it's how do you help someone and so it's how do you help someone and so it's how do you help someone and guide themselves in the right direction guide themselves in the right direction guide themselves in the right direction and if you're too paternalistic and you and if you're too paternalistic and you and if you're too paternalistic and you use shame as a as a method to get them use shame as a as a method to get them use shame as a as a method to get them to clean up they're going to end up to clean up they're going to end up to clean up they're going to end up right where they started yeah that's a right where they started yeah that's a right where they started yeah that's a tough truth to accept because a lot of tough truth to accept because a lot of tough truth to accept because a lot of people want a quick fix to things and I people want a quick fix to things and I people want a quick fix to things and I don't blame people who go out and give don't blame people who go out and give don't blame people who go out and give baloney sandwiches out to the homeless baloney sandwiches out to the homeless baloney sandwiches out to the homeless and each case is probably its own little and each case is probably its own little and each case is probably its own little puzzle puzzle puzzle each person is so complex now imagine each person is so complex now imagine each person is so complex now imagine drug abuse what that does for the brain drug abuse what that does for the brain drug abuse what that does for the brain yeah trauma childhood trauma there's so yeah trauma childhood trauma there's so yeah trauma childhood trauma there's so much to unpack and then just the uh the much to unpack and then just the uh the much to unpack and then just the uh the belief that they're the belief that they're the belief that they're the undesirables that they're that they they undesirables that they're that they they undesirables that they're that they they don't deserve to be a part of society don't deserve to be a part of society don't deserve to be a part of society because they failed a fundamental because they failed a fundamental because they failed a fundamental obligation like taking care of their obligation like taking care of their obligation like taking care of their kids if we could take a small tangent to kids if we could take a small tangent to kids if we could take a small tangent to you mentioned this Vegas video which is you mentioned this Vegas video which is you mentioned this Vegas video which is fascinating um it was taken down fascinating um it was taken down fascinating um it was taken down recently by YouTube or YouTube took it recently by YouTube or YouTube took it recently by YouTube or YouTube took it down based on yeah it was illegal uh Fox down based on yeah it was illegal uh Fox down based on yeah it was illegal uh Fox 5 I guess so the documentary was an hour 5 I guess so the documentary was an hour 5 I guess so the documentary was an hour and 45 minutes we used 10 seconds of a and 45 minutes we used 10 seconds of a and 45 minutes we used 10 seconds of a news clip that was publicly broadcast by news clip that was publicly broadcast by news clip that was publicly broadcast by Fox 5 Vegas and according to the

Fox 5 Vegas and according to the Fox 5 Vegas and according to the Copyright Act of 1976 you're allowed to Copyright Act of 1976 you're allowed to Copyright Act of 1976 you're allowed to use any publicly Broadcast News clip in use any publicly Broadcast News clip in use any publicly Broadcast News clip in a transformative capacity in any a transformative capacity in any a transformative capacity in any documentary film or research paper or documentary film or research paper or documentary film or research paper or broadcast or anything um they broadcast or anything um they broadcast or anything um they specifically this Corporation Called specifically this Corporation Called specifically this Corporation Called gray media that controls the TV stations gray media that controls the TV stations gray media that controls the TV stations in almost every small town they had in almost every small town they had in almost every small town they had lawyers hit up YouTube and YouTube lawyers hit up YouTube and YouTube lawyers hit up YouTube and YouTube YouTube complied with an illegal YouTube complied with an illegal YouTube complied with an illegal copyright strike to get our video copyright strike to get our video copyright strike to get our video immediately removed and I'm a YouTube immediately removed and I'm a YouTube immediately removed and I'm a YouTube Partner I'm in the YouTube Partner Partner I'm in the YouTube Partner Partner I'm in the YouTube Partner program so to think that I wasn't program so to think that I wasn't program so to think that I wasn't forewarned is it's a bit strange but it forewarned is it's a bit strange but it forewarned is it's a bit strange but it also smells like corruption to me to a also smells like corruption to me to a also smells like corruption to me to a certain extent yeah you shouldn't have certain extent yeah you shouldn't have certain extent yeah you shouldn't have that amount of power at the very least that amount of power at the very least that amount of power at the very least they should have the power to just like they should have the power to just like they should have the power to just like silence that 5-second clip maybe yeah silence that 5-second clip maybe yeah silence that 5-second clip maybe yeah but I'm taking them to court because I I but I'm taking them to court because I I but I'm taking them to court because I I have the means to be able to do so I'm a have the means to be able to do so I'm a have the means to be able to do so I'm a larger Creator I have an audience I have larger Creator I have an audience I have larger Creator I have an audience I have the financial backing to do it I can't the financial backing to do it I can't the financial backing to do it I can't imagine how many people out there are imagine how many people out there are imagine how many people out there are smaller creators with like not as much smaller creators with like not as much smaller creators with like not as much consumer of a you know a fan base they consumer of a you know a fan base they consumer of a you know a fan base they can mobilize against someone like Fox 5 can mobilize against someone like Fox 5 can mobilize against someone like Fox 5 or the money to go to court so I want to or the money to go to court so I want to or the money to go to court so I want to take them all the way there to set take them all the way there to set take them all the way there to set precedent for future cases so that these precedent for future cases so that these precedent for future cases so that these giant main mainstream media giant main mainstream media giant main mainstream media conglomerates can't uh copyright strike conglomerates can't uh copyright strike conglomerates can't uh copyright strike documentary filmmakers at at will it documentary filmmakers at at will it documentary filmmakers at at will it doesn't make sense oh thank you for doesn't make sense oh thank you for doesn't make sense oh thank you for doing that that's really really really doing that that's really really really doing that that's really really really important and that's really powerful and important and that's really powerful and important and that's really powerful and it might hopefully Empower YouTube to it might hopefully Empower YouTube to it might hopefully Empower YouTube to also put pressure on people to not and also put pressure on people to not and also put pressure on people to not and YouTube is in a difficult position

YouTube is in a difficult position YouTube is in a difficult position because there's so much content out because there's so much content out because there's so much content out there there's so many claims it's hard there there's so many claims it's hard there there's so many claims it's hard to investigate but YouTube should be in to investigate but YouTube should be in to investigate but YouTube should be in a place where they push back against a place where they push back against a place where they push back against this kind of stuff as a first line of this kind of stuff as a first line of this kind of stuff as a first line of defense especially to protect smaller defense especially to protect smaller defense especially to protect smaller creators so what you're doing is really creators so what you're doing is really creators so what you're doing is really really important appreciate it man and really important appreciate it man and really important appreciate it man and it sucks that it was taken down are you it sucks that it was taken down are you it sucks that it was taken down are you do you have any hope well I talked to my do you have any hope well I talked to my do you have any hope well I talked to my YouTube Partner today and he said that YouTube Partner today and he said that YouTube Partner today and he said that the Fox 5 lawyers have two weeks to the Fox 5 lawyers have two weeks to the Fox 5 lawyers have two weeks to comply with my counter appeal but you comply with my counter appeal but you comply with my counter appeal but you know I spent 20 grand on uh human know I spent 20 grand on uh human know I spent 20 grand on uh human voiceovers in five different languages voiceovers in five different languages voiceovers in five different languages so I invested probably in total like 70k so I invested probably in total like 70k so I invested probably in total like 70k into this video so even if the it gets into this video so even if the it gets into this video so even if the it gets reinstated the steam's kind of been reinstated the steam's kind of been reinstated the steam's kind of been taken out of its trajectory but also taken out of its trajectory but also taken out of its trajectory but also it's just like a really important video it's just like a really important video it's just like a really important video is good for the world yeah why the hell is good for the world yeah why the hell is good for the world yeah why the hell would Fox 5 have an a vested interest in would Fox 5 have an a vested interest in would Fox 5 have an a vested interest in having the video taken down I I just having the video taken down I I just having the video taken down I I just hate it when people do that to videos or hate it when people do that to videos or hate it when people do that to videos or to creators that are doing good in the to creators that are doing good in the to creators that are doing good in the world yeah it's not an expose on the world yeah it's not an expose on the world yeah it's not an expose on the mayor of Las Vegas it's an attempt to mayor of Las Vegas it's an attempt to mayor of Las Vegas it's an attempt to show the civilian public how to get show the civilian public how to get show the civilian public how to get involved in a local nonprofit and involved in a local nonprofit and involved in a local nonprofit and potentially intervene in the lives of potentially intervene in the lives of potentially intervene in the lives of the tunnel people well fuck Fox 5 the the tunnel people well fuck Fox 5 the the tunnel people well fuck Fox 5 the other channel 5 as you said yeah well other channel 5 as you said yeah well other channel 5 as you said yeah well thank you for pushing back hey man and thank you for pushing back hey man and thank you for pushing back hey man and highlighting it hopefully it gets highlighting it hopefully it gets highlighting it hopefully it gets brought back up but yeah defending other brought back up but yeah defending other brought back up but yeah defending other creators yeah so that other creators can creators yeah so that other creators can creators yeah so that other creators can take risks and and don't get taken down take risks and and don't get taken down take risks and and don't get taken down for stupid reason for stupid reason for stupid reason yeah so uh Court of confessions was yeah so uh Court of confessions was yeah so uh Court of confessions was written no it was all real life reality written no it was all real life reality written no it was all real life reality TV documentary but it caught the TV documentary but it caught the TV documentary but it caught the attention of a a larger company called attention of a a larger company called attention of a a larger company called doing things media yes and they

doing things media yes and they doing things media yes and they contacted me pretty much like a week contacted me pretty much like a week contacted me pretty much like a week after I graduated from college in the after I graduated from college in the after I graduated from college in the May of 2019 and they said hey like how May of 2019 and they said hey like how May of 2019 and they said hey like how would you like to produce a a show I was would you like to produce a a show I was would you like to produce a a show I was like what do you mean they were like like what do you mean they were like like what do you mean they were like we'll get you an RV we'll pay you 45k a we'll get you an RV we'll pay you 45k a we'll get you an RV we'll pay you 45k a year you get to we'll pay for gas for year you get to we'll pay for gas for year you get to we'll pay for gas for food for two hotels a week go out there food for two hotels a week go out there food for two hotels a week go out there make content and we'll be in the make content and we'll be in the make content and we'll be in the background just powering it all and that background just powering it all and that background just powering it all and that was the birth of all gas no brakes yes I was the birth of all gas no brakes yes I was the birth of all gas no brakes yes I mean all gas no brakes was named after a mean all gas no brakes was named after a mean all gas no brakes was named after a book that I wrote called all gas no book that I wrote called all gas no book that I wrote called all gas no breaks a hitchhiker diary which breaks a hitchhiker diary which breaks a hitchhiker diary which chronicled the 70-day journey that we chronicled the 70-day journey that we chronicled the 70-day journey that we were just talking about it's a tough were just talking about it's a tough were just talking about it's a tough book to find by the way oh yeah there's book to find by the way oh yeah there's book to find by the way oh yeah there's only a few copies left I'm thinking only a few copies left I'm thinking only a few copies left I'm thinking about doing a reprint at some point down about doing a reprint at some point down about doing a reprint at some point down the line but I sold off the last 100 the line but I sold off the last 100 the line but I sold off the last 100 copies like a month and a half ago MH copies like a month and a half ago MH copies like a month and a half ago MH yeah until then you guys should go read yeah until then you guys should go read yeah until then you guys should go read on the road by jck you should read it I on the road by jck you should read it I on the road by jck you should read it I don't know if you read it if you can't don't know if you read it if you can't don't know if you read it if you can't get my book get on the road by Jack get my book get on the road by Jack get my book get on the road by Jack carow it's great it's the best when's carow it's great it's the best when's carow it's great it's the best when's your birthday I'll send you April 23rd your birthday I'll send you April 23rd your birthday I'll send you April 23rd okay I'm a Taurus coming soon sh typical okay I'm a Taurus coming soon sh typical okay I'm a Taurus coming soon sh typical Taurus yeah yeah I'm a typical Taurus Taurus yeah yeah I'm a typical Taurus Taurus yeah yeah I'm a typical Taurus man I'm a Scorpio Moon just write that man I'm a Scorpio Moon just write that man I'm a Scorpio Moon just write that down what's the time when you were born down what's the time when you were born down what's the time when you were born 11:30 11:30 at night or oh of course 11:30 11:30 at night or oh of course 11:30 11:30 at night or oh of course yeah typical this guy knew it that's the yeah typical this guy knew it that's the yeah typical this guy knew it that's the real science yeah anyways so the name real science yeah anyways so the name real science yeah anyways so the name the idea of all gas no breaks as a show the idea of all gas no breaks as a show the idea of all gas no breaks as a show was to combine the the I guess Road dog was to combine the the I guess Road dog was to combine the the I guess Road dog ethos of the all gas no breaks book with ethos of the all gas no breaks book with ethos of the all gas no breaks book with the presentation and editing style of the presentation and editing style of the presentation and editing style of quarter confessions so it was to take

quarter confessions so it was to take quarter confessions so it was to take quarter Confessions on the road that was quarter Confessions on the road that was quarter Confessions on the road that was pretty much like a simulated hitchhiking pretty much like a simulated hitchhiking pretty much like a simulated hitchhiking experience but with the editing and like experience but with the editing and like experience but with the editing and like Punchy effects of cter confessions which Punchy effects of cter confessions which Punchy effects of cter confessions which is like I wear a suit we do the fast is like I wear a suit we do the fast is like I wear a suit we do the fast Zoom inss little effects stuff like that Zoom inss little effects stuff like that Zoom inss little effects stuff like that it was a those were the the best years it was a those were the the best years it was a those were the the best years it was just so it was just so fun I mean it was just so it was just so fun I mean it was just so it was just so fun I mean imagine you're fresh out of college you imagine you're fresh out of college you imagine you're fresh out of college you were just a doorman interviewing people were just a doorman interviewing people were just a doorman interviewing people about like you know making out with about like you know making out with about like you know making out with their cousin and stuff and then boom their cousin and stuff and then boom their cousin and stuff and then boom this company that you've never even this company that you've never even this company that you've never even heard of is willing to buy you an RV and heard of is willing to buy you an RV and heard of is willing to buy you an RV and give you 45k a year which to me at the give you 45k a year which to me at the give you 45k a year which to me at the time was more money than I could time was more money than I could time was more money than I could possibly imagine so I called my dad I possibly imagine so I called my dad I possibly imagine so I called my dad I was like Dad I need you to find me in RV was like Dad I need you to find me in RV was like Dad I need you to find me in RV cuz he's the only guy I know who knows cuz he's the only guy I know who knows cuz he's the only guy I know who knows about cars and even he doesn't know much about cars and even he doesn't know much about cars and even he doesn't know much about cars so he's like all right I'm on about cars so he's like all right I'm on about cars so he's like all right I'm on it so the RV was 20,000 mhm and the it so the RV was 20,000 mhm and the it so the RV was 20,000 mhm and the first event that we were called to cover first event that we were called to cover first event that we were called to cover was the The Burning Man festival and was the The Burning Man festival and was the The Burning Man festival and that was tough because burningman is not that was tough because burningman is not that was tough because burningman is not too keen on filming supposed to be a too keen on filming supposed to be a too keen on filming supposed to be a non-commercialized you know escape from non-commercialized you know escape from non-commercialized you know escape from the from reality I mean they have a gift the from reality I mean they have a gift the from reality I mean they have a gift economy set up it's based upon like economy set up it's based upon like economy set up it's based upon like Mutual participation and uh non- Mutual participation and uh non- Mutual participation and uh non- exploitation and so the idea of making a exploitation and so the idea of making a exploitation and so the idea of making a burning man video was tough at first burning man video was tough at first burning man video was tough at first because burn burners often times and because burn burners often times and because burn burners often times and this is not all of us but are pretty this is not all of us but are pretty this is not all of us but are pretty well off in general a lot of them have well off in general a lot of them have well off in general a lot of them have tech jobs are pretty high up in Silicon tech jobs are pretty high up in Silicon tech jobs are pretty high up in Silicon Valley and burning man is where they go Valley and burning man is where they go Valley and burning man is where they go to take off you know to take the edge to take off you know to take the edge to take off you know to take the edge off and basically become their burner off and basically become their burner off and basically become their burner Persona on the pla they become reborn

Persona on the pla they become reborn Persona on the pla they become reborn and they take ketamine and they wear and they take ketamine and they wear and they take ketamine and they wear Kaleidoscope glasses and steampunk hats Kaleidoscope glasses and steampunk hats Kaleidoscope glasses and steampunk hats and they you know snort MDMA and they and they you know snort MDMA and they and they you know snort MDMA and they run around the sand listen to do you run around the sand listen to do you run around the sand listen to do you snort MDMA that's one I need to go I snort MDMA that's one I need to go I snort MDMA that's one I need to go I thought it's a pill I didn't know it's thought it's a pill I didn't know it's thought it's a pill I didn't know it's better to take it in a pill or water but better to take it in a pill or water but better to take it in a pill or water but you can snort MDMA I definitely need to you can snort MDMA I definitely need to you can snort MDMA I definitely need to take MDMA I'm already full of love but take MDMA I'm already full of love but take MDMA I'm already full of love but like that I probably go on another level like that I probably go on another level like that I probably go on another level yeah don't snort it cuz it'll only last yeah don't snort it cuz it'll only last yeah don't snort it cuz it'll only last you like 90 minutes let me write that you like 90 minutes let me write that you like 90 minutes let me write that down yeah so anyways we didn't know what down yeah so anyways we didn't know what down yeah so anyways we didn't know what to do because we try to film snort the to do because we try to film snort the to do because we try to film snort the initial idea for all gas no breaks was initial idea for all gas no breaks was initial idea for all gas no breaks was to instead of asking people what's your to instead of asking people what's your to instead of asking people what's your deepest darkest secret it was what's the deepest darkest secret it was what's the deepest darkest secret it was what's the craziest trip you've been on so the idea craziest trip you've been on so the idea craziest trip you've been on so the idea was to not saiz drunk people but saiz was to not saiz drunk people but saiz was to not saiz drunk people but saiz people who are fried on acid people who are fried on acid people who are fried on acid and so we went to Boulder real quick did and so we went to Boulder real quick did and so we went to Boulder real quick did a test interview with some lady who a test interview with some lady who a test interview with some lady who talked about seeing ancestral aliens talked about seeing ancestral aliens talked about seeing ancestral aliens during a Peyote Retreat and so it's during a Peyote Retreat and so it's during a Peyote Retreat and so it's pretty easy to extract trip reports from pretty easy to extract trip reports from pretty easy to extract trip reports from hippies and you know gutter punks and hippies and you know gutter punks and hippies and you know gutter punks and stuff like that or oogles so we go to stuff like that or oogles so we go to stuff like that or oogles so we go to Burning Man uh we start asking people Burning Man uh we start asking people Burning Man uh we start asking people like you know what's your craziest trip like you know what's your craziest trip like you know what's your craziest trip story and they didn't have the same type story and they didn't have the same type story and they didn't have the same type of free flowing storytelling style that of free flowing storytelling style that of free flowing storytelling style that like a on the street crust punk in New like a on the street crust punk in New like a on the street crust punk in New Orleans might have where they're like I Orleans might have where they're like I Orleans might have where they're like I don't give a fuck I'll tell you whatever don't give a fuck I'll tell you whatever don't give a fuck I'll tell you whatever these people were very bottled up about these people were very bottled up about these people were very bottled up about what they were willing to disclose so we what they were willing to disclose so we what they were willing to disclose so we went on Burning Man radio and we did a went on Burning Man radio and we did a went on Burning Man radio and we did a broadcast and we said hey we're we're broadcast and we said hey we're we're broadcast and we said hey we're we're doing we're psychedelic journalists it doing we're psychedelic journalists it doing we're psychedelic journalists it was me and my friend Cel at the time I was me and my friend Cel at the time I was me and my friend Cel at the time I said we're psychedelic journalists we're said we're psychedelic journalists we're said we're psychedelic journalists we're parked on tan and I which is across

parked on tan and I which is across parked on tan and I which is across street in Black Rock City and we said we street in Black Rock City and we said we street in Black Rock City and we said we have a 1998 Catalina Coachman sport it's have a 1998 Catalina Coachman sport it's have a 1998 Catalina Coachman sport it's an RV we've set up a podcast Studio an RV we've set up a podcast Studio an RV we've set up a podcast Studio we're doing a show about psychedelic we're doing a show about psychedelic we're doing a show about psychedelic voyages yeah so Lo and behold 2 hours voyages yeah so Lo and behold 2 hours voyages yeah so Lo and behold 2 hours later we had 10 people lined up at the later we had 10 people lined up at the later we had 10 people lined up at the RV nice willing to talk so that vetted RV nice willing to talk so that vetted RV nice willing to talk so that vetted people in advance for us and so we did a people in advance for us and so we did a people in advance for us and so we did a couple interviews uh and that was that couple interviews uh and that was that couple interviews uh and that was that well what were some of the stories from well what were some of the stories from well what were some of the stories from the trip rep boards uh there was this the trip rep boards uh there was this the trip rep boards uh there was this lady named rosma who said that she was lady named rosma who said that she was lady named rosma who said that she was known in several circles in Berkeley for known in several circles in Berkeley for known in several circles in Berkeley for being multi-orgasmic and could create being multi-orgasmic and could create being multi-orgasmic and could create multiple repeated climaxes using only multiple repeated climaxes using only multiple repeated climaxes using only Her Mind by like squinting her eyes and Her Mind by like squinting her eyes and Her Mind by like squinting her eyes and and squeezing her eyes together so much and squeezing her eyes together so much and squeezing her eyes together so much that like the pleasure spiral just you that like the pleasure spiral just you that like the pleasure spiral just you know went crazy I feel like I talked to know went crazy I feel like I talked to know went crazy I feel like I talked to several people like that at Berkeley several people like that at Berkeley several people like that at Berkeley yeah you know what I'm talking about not yeah you know what I'm talking about not yeah you know what I'm talking about not that well yeah that lady I think she that well yeah that lady I think she that well yeah that lady I think she manifests herself in many forms yeah manifests herself in many forms yeah manifests herself in many forms yeah right so but still it was on the cruder right so but still it was on the cruder right so but still it was on the cruder end there was one guy Nam uh Kimbo Slice end there was one guy Nam uh Kimbo Slice end there was one guy Nam uh Kimbo Slice was his burner name he talked about was his burner name he talked about was his burner name he talked about taking a shit after taking like a a taking a shit after taking like a a taking a shit after taking like a a quarter of mushrooms and how he was like quarter of mushrooms and how he was like quarter of mushrooms and how he was like seeing his childhood and visualizing his seeing his childhood and visualizing his seeing his childhood and visualizing his past life you know as the the turds were past life you know as the the turds were past life you know as the the turds were flowing into the toilet and just talks flowing into the toilet and just talks flowing into the toilet and just talks about the Psychedelic Union between about the Psychedelic Union between about the Psychedelic Union between pooing and taking taking shrooms so he pooing and taking taking shrooms so he pooing and taking taking shrooms so he was very visual with his words yeah so was very visual with his words yeah so was very visual with his words yeah so there was stuff like that I interviewed there was stuff like that I interviewed there was stuff like that I interviewed Alex Gray which was super cool about his Alex Gray which was super cool about his Alex Gray which was super cool about his first trip in San Francisco when he was first trip in San Francisco when he was first trip in San Francisco when he was in 1971 shortly after the summer of love

in 1971 shortly after the summer of love in 1971 shortly after the summer of love I got to do some pretty cool interviews I got to do some pretty cool interviews I got to do some pretty cool interviews but still it was a semi Ambush style I I but still it was a semi Ambush style I I but still it was a semi Ambush style I I I wouldn't say that we were doing I wouldn't say that we were doing I wouldn't say that we were doing journalism yet it was still comedic journalism yet it was still comedic journalism yet it was still comedic video work you know was there a video work you know was there a video work you know was there a narrative that tied it together it's narrative that tied it together it's narrative that tied it together it's like really just a trip comedic almost like really just a trip comedic almost like really just a trip comedic almost with the interview and then I go Burning with the interview and then I go Burning with the interview and then I go Burning Man and then it's on to the next one so Man and then it's on to the next one so Man and then it's on to the next one so I guess that could give a loose I guess that could give a loose I guess that could give a loose structure but it's just like a punch and structure but it's just like a punch and structure but it's just like a punch and slapstick thing slapstick thing slapstick thing um everything was going good until we um everything was going good until we um everything was going good until we interviewed this guy named DJ soft baby interviewed this guy named DJ soft baby interviewed this guy named DJ soft baby but he was uh wearing a golden but he was uh wearing a golden but he was uh wearing a golden leotard uh with once again Kaleidoscope leotard uh with once again Kaleidoscope leotard uh with once again Kaleidoscope glasses short shortless dancing like you glasses short shortless dancing like you glasses short shortless dancing like you know know dancing and uh he was eating know know dancing and uh he was eating know know dancing and uh he was eating chowder out of a a plastic bowl and he chowder out of a a plastic bowl and he chowder out of a a plastic bowl and he was like this chowder is so fucking good was like this chowder is so fucking good was like this chowder is so fucking good he's like this is the best chout I've he's like this is the best chout I've he's like this is the best chout I've ever had in my life and he starts ever had in my life and he starts ever had in my life and he starts putting the Chow on his face and he's putting the Chow on his face and he's putting the Chow on his face and he's like I want the Chowder all over me yeah like I want the Chowder all over me yeah like I want the Chowder all over me yeah and so we we just go hey man can you and so we we just go hey man can you and so we we just go hey man can you just do a dance for us real quick just just do a dance for us real quick just just do a dance for us real quick just for some b-roll he does a dance we for some b-roll he does a dance we for some b-roll he does a dance we posted on Instagram the next morning posted on Instagram the next morning posted on Instagram the next morning doing things media CEO calls me read he doing things media CEO calls me read he doing things media CEO calls me read he says all of our pages are says all of our pages are says all of our pages are down and he's like that guy you filmed down and he's like that guy you filmed down and he's like that guy you filmed dancing last night on drugs putting dancing last night on drugs putting dancing last night on drugs putting Chowder on his face that guy's at the Chowder on his face that guy's at the Chowder on his face that guy's at the top of MIT top of MIT I don't understand top of MIT top of MIT I don't understand top of MIT top of MIT I don't understand what that means he went saying yo my what that means he went saying yo my what that means he went saying yo my brother's a rocket science he's like brother's a rocket science he's like brother's a rocket science he's like head of NASA or whatever well I mean the head of NASA or whatever well I mean the head of NASA or whatever well I mean the guy knows people in Boston okay you know guy knows people in Boston okay you know guy knows people in Boston okay you know not in the Whitey Bulger sense but in not in the Whitey Bulger sense but in not in the Whitey Bulger sense but in the reverse sense I I have trouble

the reverse sense I I have trouble the reverse sense I I have trouble believing the DJ soft baby oh DJ soft believing the DJ soft baby oh DJ soft believing the DJ soft baby oh DJ soft baby was Major it could have been baby was Major it could have been baby was Major it could have been Harvard it could have been but it wasn't Harvard it could have been but it wasn't Harvard it could have been but it wasn't it wasn't UMass I don't think there's it wasn't UMass I don't think there's it wasn't UMass I don't think there's anybody that's at quote at the head of anybody that's at quote at the head of anybody that's at quote at the head of MIT who's putting um what was it all MIT who's putting um what was it all MIT who's putting um what was it all over his face uh chowder chowder well over his face uh chowder chowder well over his face uh chowder chowder well then you haven't been to Burning Man yet then you haven't been to Burning Man yet then you haven't been to Burning Man yet okay I'm not been to burning man so I okay I'm not been to burning man so I okay I'm not been to burning man so I have to consult the my colleagues that have to consult the my colleagues that have to consult the my colleagues that are my if they know DJ soft baby so are my if they know DJ soft baby so are my if they know DJ soft baby so whoever probably was Harvard if let's whoever probably was Harvard if let's whoever probably was Harvard if let's put it on them okay the top of Harvard put it on them okay the top of Harvard put it on them okay the top of Harvard so he made some calls you know to the to so he made some calls you know to the to so he made some calls you know to the to the tops to the heads of big Tech and the tops to the heads of big Tech and the tops to the heads of big Tech and got all the doing things media Pages got all the doing things media Pages got all the doing things media Pages taken down at the time that was like a taken down at the time that was like a taken down at the time that was like a vast network of pages and we ended up vast network of pages and we ended up vast network of pages and we ended up having to take the obviously the video having to take the obviously the video having to take the obviously the video came down and he held the entire network came down and he held the entire network came down and he held the entire network of Instagram Pages hostage and so that of Instagram Pages hostage and so that of Instagram Pages hostage and so that was uh he he made us agree to never post was uh he he made us agree to never post was uh he he made us agree to never post that video again and then somehow got that video again and then somehow got that video again and then somehow got all of our Pages reinstated so that was all of our Pages reinstated so that was all of our Pages reinstated so that was my first brush with like uh you know my first brush with like uh you know my first brush with like uh you know powerful people on drugs and that was powerful people on drugs and that was powerful people on drugs and that was probably my last brush with powerful probably my last brush with powerful probably my last brush with powerful people on drugs so what what did you people on drugs so what what did you people on drugs so what what did you transition into from there uh I think transition into from there uh I think transition into from there uh I think after burning man we um went to the after burning man we um went to the after burning man we um went to the South went to Talladega race weekend South went to Talladega race weekend South went to Talladega race weekend went to a Donald Trump Jr book signing went to a Donald Trump Jr book signing went to a Donald Trump Jr book signing went to a uh jugal adjacent fetish went to a uh jugal adjacent fetish went to a uh jugal adjacent fetish mansion in Central Florida called the mansion in Central Florida called the mansion in Central Florida called the sausage Castle uh Jugo sausage Castle uh Jugo sausage Castle uh Jugo adjacent uh sa okay can you can can you adjacent uh sa okay can you can can you adjacent uh sa okay can you can can you run that by me again a jugal adjacent run that by me again a jugal adjacent run that by me again a jugal adjacent fetish mansion in Central Florida okay fetish mansion in Central Florida okay fetish mansion in Central Florida okay fetish mansion in Central Florida jug

fetish mansion in Central Florida jug fetish mansion in Central Florida jug adjacent I mean every single one of adjacent I mean every single one of adjacent I mean every single one of those words I feel like needs a book or those words I feel like needs a book or those words I feel like needs a book or something um so uh jug by the way who something um so uh jug by the way who something um so uh jug by the way who are The Jug is this ICP fans ICP fans are The Jug is this ICP fans ICP fans are The Jug is this ICP fans ICP fans okay but I say adjacent because it's not okay but I say adjacent because it's not okay but I say adjacent because it's not a jug Mansion but there's a lot of jug a jug Mansion but there's a lot of jug a jug Mansion but there's a lot of jug who kick it at the Mansion it's jug who kick it at the Mansion it's jug who kick it at the Mansion it's jug friendly okay jug friendly yeah because friendly okay jug friendly yeah because friendly okay jug friendly yeah because they get made fun of in a lot of places they get made fun of in a lot of places they get made fun of in a lot of places oh so it's not okay got it and Jugo say oh so it's not okay got it and Jugo say oh so it's not okay got it and Jugo say outrageous shit you know and they outrageous shit you know and they outrageous shit you know and they embarrass themselves and they fight a embarrass themselves and they fight a embarrass themselves and they fight a lot so they're kind they're on the FBI's lot so they're kind they're on the FBI's lot so they're kind they're on the FBI's gang list which if you ask me ip or the gang list which if you ask me ip or the gang list which if you ask me ip or the the Jugos the Jugos if who's the the the Jugos the Jugos if who's the the the Jugos the Jugos if who's the the head of the jug the Jugos it would be head of the jug the Jugos it would be head of the jug the Jugos it would be violent Jay and Shaggy dope but there's violent Jay and Shaggy dope but there's violent Jay and Shaggy dope but there's Associated acts like twisted and there's Associated acts like twisted and there's Associated acts like twisted and there's a whole Rabbit Hole honestly Tech 9 is a whole Rabbit Hole honestly Tech 9 is a whole Rabbit Hole honestly Tech 9 is sort of a part of that Tech 9 I don't sort of a part of that Tech 9 I don't sort of a part of that Tech 9 I don't know who that is should I know he's a uh know who that is should I know he's a uh know who that is should I know he's a uh he's actually one of the top selling he's actually one of the top selling he's actually one of the top selling touring rappers despite having sort of touring rappers despite having sort of touring rappers despite having sort of not that many streams Tech 9 is like not that many streams Tech 9 is like not that many streams Tech 9 is like he's got a huge cult following in he's got a huge cult following in he's got a huge cult following in Missouri this is like the jugal started Missouri this is like the jugal started Missouri this is like the jugal started in uh war in Michigan we should also say in uh war in Michigan we should also say in uh war in Michigan we should also say ICP in St clown posy so this is a thing ICP in St clown posy so this is a thing ICP in St clown posy so this is a thing this is a movement oh yeah if you if you this is a movement oh yeah if you if you this is a movement oh yeah if you if you went to Seattle right now and punched a went to Seattle right now and punched a went to Seattle right now and punched a cop and they booked you in County Jail cop and they booked you in County Jail cop and they booked you in County Jail you may end up running with the Jugos you may end up running with the Jugos you may end up running with the Jugos running with the Jugos they're a running with the Jugos they're a running with the Jugos they're a presence in Pacific Northwest prison presence in Pacific Northwest prison presence in Pacific Northwest prison system from what I've heard can you tell system from what I've heard can you tell system from what I've heard can you tell a Jugo from like a distance well they a Jugo from like a distance well they a Jugo from like a distance well they say so if you see a Jugo they'll say say so if you see a Jugo they'll say say so if you see a Jugo they'll say that also like I'll try to I'll try to that also like I'll try to I'll try to that also like I'll try to I'll try to look they're kind of it's called the look they're kind of it's called the look they're kind of it's called the dark carnival is the mythology they

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it's what Jesse Pinkman called it as the it's what Jesse Pinkman called it as the amq oh shit the the depth of ref amq oh shit the the depth of ref amq oh shit the the depth of ref refences you bring to the table is refences you bring to the table is refences you bring to the table is intense it's okay I met a lady in intense it's okay I met a lady in intense it's okay I met a lady in Albuquerque when I was traveling across Albuquerque when I was traveling across Albuquerque when I was traveling across the United States and she said take me the United States and she said take me the United States and she said take me with you said I'm sorry ma'am I can't with you said I'm sorry ma'am I can't with you said I'm sorry ma'am I can't yeah but I think about that lady think yeah but I think about that lady think yeah but I think about that lady think you made the right call I don't know you made the right call I don't know you made the right call I don't know yeah on the road yeah by Jack carak best yeah on the road yeah by Jack carak best yeah on the road yeah by Jack carak best book I've ever read in my book I've ever read in my book I've ever read in my life there's a there's a moment when he life there's a there's a moment when he life there's a there's a moment when he meets uh a nice girl on a bus and they meets uh a nice girl on a bus and they meets uh a nice girl on a bus and they have a love affair was good on the bus have a love affair was good on the bus have a love affair was good on the bus or they no no he they went to C or they no no he they went to C or they no no he they went to C California well yeah and there was a California well yeah and there was a California well yeah and there was a love affair on the bus but it wasn't love affair on the bus but it wasn't love affair on the bus but it wasn't sexual it was just romantic it was it sexual it was just romantic it was it sexual it was just romantic it was it was in the air it was in the air which was in the air it was in the air which was in the air it was in the air which there is something in the air on a bus there is something in the air on a bus there is something in the air on a bus uh like a gry hound Mega Bus that type uh like a gry hound Mega Bus that type uh like a gry hound Mega Bus that type of situation there's something certainly of situation there's something certainly of situation there's something certainly something in the air but a romance there something in the air but a romance there something in the air but a romance there is man when you travel AC cuz it's like is man when you travel AC cuz it's like is man when you travel AC cuz it's like strangers getting together and you're strangers getting together and you're strangers getting together and you're like feeling each other out and but like feeling each other out and but like feeling each other out and but you're in it like you each have a story you're in it like you each have a story you're in it like you each have a story cuz you wouldn't be taking a bus unless cuz you wouldn't be taking a bus unless cuz you wouldn't be taking a bus unless you had a story so you're especially if you had a story so you're especially if you had a story so you're especially if you're traveling across country there you're traveling across country there you're traveling across country there something you ever taken the dollar bus something you ever taken the dollar bus something you ever taken the dollar bus from Philly to New York the Chinatown from Philly to New York the Chinatown from Philly to New York the Chinatown Bus yeah I have yeah that's a great bus Bus yeah I have yeah that's a great bus Bus yeah I have yeah that's a great bus the people on that it's not a fucking the people on that it's not a fucking the people on that it's not a fucking dollar though it it was a there's some dollar though it it was a there's some dollar though it it was a there's some that are five bucks no no no no no no if that are five bucks no no no no no no if that are five bucks no no no no no no if you book it way ahead of time which it's you book it way ahead of time which it's you book it way ahead of time which it's like $20 I was like this is a fucking like $20 I was like this is a fucking like $20 I was like this is a fucking lie calling it $1 I got I don't know why lie calling it $1 I got I don't know why lie calling it $1 I got I don't know why I'm swearing the anger came out I I'm swearing the anger came out I I'm swearing the anger came out I apologize swearing is okay sometimes apologize swearing is okay sometimes apologize swearing is okay sometimes when I got last time I was on the when I got last time I was on the when I got last time I was on the Chinatown Bus there was like a rooster Chinatown Bus there was like a rooster Chinatown Bus there was like a rooster walking down the the aisle actual

walking down the the aisle actual walking down the the aisle actual rooster yeah well chilling it was rooster yeah well chilling it was rooster yeah well chilling it was awesome there's a nice part of your film awesome there's a nice part of your film awesome there's a nice part of your film with a rooster I forgot about that yeah with a rooster I forgot about that yeah with a rooster I forgot about that yeah that felt almost that felt almost that felt almost fake yeah did you plant the rooster no fake yeah did you plant the rooster no fake yeah did you plant the rooster no the rooster there's a place in ebore the rooster there's a place in ebore the rooster there's a place in ebore city in Tampa where roosters walk around city in Tampa where roosters walk around city in Tampa where roosters walk around all the time and we had a rooster park all the time and we had a rooster park all the time and we had a rooster park there right by the main drag for wait there right by the main drag for wait there right by the main drag for wait did I say we had a rooster parked we had did I say we had a rooster parked we had did I say we had a rooster parked we had the RV parked eore City for a long time the RV parked eore City for a long time the RV parked eore City for a long time and the rooster laid eggs in the The and the rooster laid eggs in the The and the rooster laid eggs in the The underc Carriage nice back to the all gas underc Carriage nice back to the all gas underc Carriage nice back to the all gas no brakes thing though yeah so it was no brakes thing though yeah so it was no brakes thing though yeah so it was lots it was really fun making it and lots it was really fun making it and lots it was really fun making it and then we started all gasto breaks in then we started all gasto breaks in then we started all gasto breaks in September of 2019 6 months later the September of 2019 6 months later the September of 2019 6 months later the country shuts down and everything just country shuts down and everything just country shuts down and everything just hits the fan I was actually here in hits the fan I was actually here in hits the fan I was actually here in Austin when it shut down I was on Sixth Austin when it shut down I was on Sixth Austin when it shut down I was on Sixth Street I remember the uh I don't just Street I remember the uh I don't just Street I remember the uh I don't just hang out on Sixth Street all the time hang out on Sixth Street all the time hang out on Sixth Street all the time but I was just here you do come on let but I was just here you do come on let but I was just here you do come on let just be honest I do like Sixth Street just be honest I do like Sixth Street just be honest I do like Sixth Street yeah I like East Austin better but I yeah I like East Austin better but I yeah I like East Austin better but I like Sixth Street too so anyways the NBA like Sixth Street too so anyways the NBA like Sixth Street too so anyways the NBA shuts down everything's shutting down shuts down everything's shutting down shuts down everything's shutting down and so I went down to the dirty six and and so I went down to the dirty six and and so I went down to the dirty six and I asked this doorman I was like are you I asked this doorman I was like are you I asked this doorman I was like are you guys ever going to shut down he was like guys ever going to shut down he was like guys ever going to shut down he was like fuck no bro fuck no bro fuck no bro the dirty 6 never closes and I was like the dirty 6 never closes and I was like the dirty 6 never closes and I was like all right we'll see about that next day all right we'll see about that next day all right we'll see about that next day Plywood And then I was like all right I Plywood And then I was like all right I Plywood And then I was like all right I thought my career was over when Co hit I thought my career was over when Co hit I thought my career was over when Co hit I was like what are we going to do was like what are we going to do was like what are we going to do nothing's happening anymore there's no nothing's happening anymore there's no nothing's happening anymore there's no more parties or Talladega races or more parties or Talladega races or more parties or Talladega races or burning mans to go to so I went back to burning mans to go to so I went back to burning mans to go to so I went back to Seattle in the RV and I just spent four Seattle in the RV and I just spent four Seattle in the RV and I just spent four months just depressed living in the RV months just depressed living in the RV months just depressed living in the RV trying to figure out what would happen trying to figure out what would happen trying to figure out what would happen but all gas no breaks went on still well

but all gas no breaks went on still well but all gas no breaks went on still well this was the crazy thing about that this was the crazy thing about that this was the crazy thing about that period of time is that when when Co hit period of time is that when when Co hit period of time is that when when Co hit I'm sure you remember everything turned I'm sure you remember everything turned I'm sure you remember everything turned political yeah overnight in Seattle if political yeah overnight in Seattle if political yeah overnight in Seattle if you went to a house party you can get you went to a house party you can get you went to a house party you can get canceled you know because people were canceled you know because people were canceled you know because people were like oh you're a super spreader so if like oh you're a super spreader so if like oh you're a super spreader so if you wanted to socialize even with a you wanted to socialize even with a you wanted to socialize even with a group of four or more you had to do so group of four or more you had to do so group of four or more you had to do so with your phone damn near turned off and with your phone damn near turned off and with your phone damn near turned off and a lot of people were doing hyp social a lot of people were doing hyp social a lot of people were doing hyp social policing at that time beyond that in the policing at that time beyond that in the policing at that time beyond that in the south and in more conservative places south and in more conservative places south and in more conservative places they were doing the opposite they were they were doing the opposite they were they were doing the opposite they were trying to prove that they could hang out trying to prove that they could hang out trying to prove that they could hang out 500 deep with no mask to make a 500 deep with no mask to make a 500 deep with no mask to make a statement Against The Establishment so statement Against The Establishment so statement Against The Establishment so you had this polarization that led to you had this polarization that led to you had this polarization that led to more Division and that's when the antix more Division and that's when the antix more Division and that's when the antix protest started and I went to Sacramento protest started and I went to Sacramento protest started and I went to Sacramento and the passion was Unreal this is about and the passion was Unreal this is about and the passion was Unreal this is about this is about two months after the covid this is about two months after the covid this is about two months after the covid lockdowns began and that was my first lockdowns began and that was my first lockdowns began and that was my first political video was at the Sacramento political video was at the Sacramento political video was at the Sacramento the California state capital in the California state capital in the California state capital in Sacramento documenting the they called Sacramento documenting the they called Sacramento documenting the they called it the freedom rally but that's it the freedom rally but that's it the freedom rally but that's typically like antiac stuff and uh it typically like antiac stuff and uh it typically like antiac stuff and uh it was real intensity and that video was my was real intensity and that video was my was real intensity and that video was my most successful to date at that time and most successful to date at that time and most successful to date at that time and so I was like okay am I a political so I was like okay am I a political so I was like okay am I a political reporter now do am I covering politics reporter now do am I covering politics reporter now do am I covering politics like what's going on what were the like what's going on what were the like what's going on what were the interviews that made up that video what interviews that made up that video what interviews that made up that video what kind of what style of questions were you kind of what style of questions were you kind of what style of questions were you asking what I don't know if you remember asking what I don't know if you remember asking what I don't know if you remember but I was actually scared when the but I was actually scared when the but I was actually scared when the pandemic started I thought that this is

pandemic started I thought that this is pandemic started I thought that this is something that might kill us all based something that might kill us all based something that might kill us all based upon what I was consuming and uh so I'd upon what I was consuming and uh so I'd upon what I was consuming and uh so I'd ask people what do you think about this ask people what do you think about this ask people what do you think about this lockdown and I've had people say you lockdown and I've had people say you lockdown and I've had people say you know I'm immune compromised if I get know I'm immune compromised if I get know I'm immune compromised if I get exposed to co I have a 95% fatality rate exposed to co I have a 95% fatality rate exposed to co I have a 95% fatality rate but guess what I'd rather be free and but guess what I'd rather be free and but guess what I'd rather be free and dead than alive living in fear and I was dead than alive living in fear and I was dead than alive living in fear and I was like wow so it was just stuff along like wow so it was just stuff along like wow so it was just stuff along those lines you had some San Diego those lines you had some San Diego those lines you had some San Diego Surfers there complaining about the Surfers there complaining about the Surfers there complaining about the beaches being shut down when such beaches being shut down when such beaches being shut down when such awesome waves were coming yeah it's awesome waves were coming yeah it's awesome waves were coming yeah it's interesting how that really brought interesting how that really brought interesting how that really brought out the the worst in people oh yeah I'm out the the worst in people oh yeah I'm out the the worst in people oh yeah I'm not sure why why that is fear maybe not sure why why that is fear maybe not sure why why that is fear maybe paranoia I don't know it really divided paranoia I don't know it really divided paranoia I don't know it really divided people like along the lines as you people like along the lines as you people like along the lines as you mentioned like triple mask yourself or mentioned like triple mask yourself or mentioned like triple mask yourself or fight for your country yeah right fight for your country yeah right fight for your country yeah right exactly like why are those are two exactly like why are those are two exactly like why are those are two options that is literally what it was options that is literally what it was options that is literally what it was yeah it's wild and both groups think yeah it's wild and both groups think yeah it's wild and both groups think they're fighting for the survival of they're fighting for the survival of they're fighting for the survival of something and so that's where you really something and so that's where you really something and so that's where you really run into problems when you have two run into problems when you have two run into problems when you have two polarized groups who both think that polarized groups who both think that polarized groups who both think that their cause is for the common good their cause is for the common good their cause is for the common good Mutual understanding is impossible at Mutual understanding is impossible at Mutual understanding is impossible at that juncture and so after three months that juncture and so after three months that juncture and so after three months of almost every everybody being locked of almost every everybody being locked of almost every everybody being locked down George Floyd down George Floyd down George Floyd happens and I remember I saw the third happens and I remember I saw the third happens and I remember I saw the third precinct burning on my phone in precinct burning on my phone in precinct burning on my phone in Minneapolis Minneapolis Minneapolis and uh everyone

and uh everyone and uh everyone says Andrew you have to go cover this says Andrew you have to go cover this says Andrew you have to go cover this and I'm somebody like I said you know and I'm somebody like I said you know and I'm somebody like I said you know police violence has been close to my police violence has been close to my police violence has been close to my heart since I was a kid and my first heart since I was a kid and my first heart since I was a kid and my first thought is I can't do that I'm a comedic thought is I can't do that I'm a comedic thought is I can't do that I'm a comedic reporter I can't go to Minneapolis and reporter I can't go to Minneapolis and reporter I can't go to Minneapolis and cover this it'll be the end of my cover this it'll be the end of my cover this it'll be the end of my career and um I had a friend named Lacy career and um I had a friend named Lacy career and um I had a friend named Lacy who I went to college with and she told who I went to college with and she told who I went to college with and she told me she was like bro this is your chance me she was like bro this is your chance me she was like bro this is your chance for you to do something serious you can for you to do something serious you can for you to do something serious you can actually create a meaningful piece of actually create a meaningful piece of actually create a meaningful piece of reporting like you always wanted to reporting like you always wanted to reporting like you always wanted to before quarter confessions and you can before quarter confessions and you can before quarter confessions and you can turn all gasone brakes into a new source turn all gasone brakes into a new source turn all gasone brakes into a new source so I called Reed who was the CEO of the so I called Reed who was the CEO of the so I called Reed who was the CEO of the company company that owned all gas snow company company that owned all gas snow company company that owned all gas snow brakes and I was like look man I want to brakes and I was like look man I want to brakes and I was like look man I want to go to Minneapolis I was in Orlando at go to Minneapolis I was in Orlando at go to Minneapolis I was in Orlando at the time I was actually at the sausage the time I was actually at the sausage the time I was actually at the sausage castle and uh he said he said sorry the castle and uh he said he said sorry the castle and uh he said he said sorry the sausage castle Yeah the Jugo Mansion oh sausage castle Yeah the Jugo Mansion oh sausage castle Yeah the Jugo Mansion oh right that called the sausage Castle so right that called the sausage Castle so right that called the sausage Castle so I'm watching Minneapolis unfold uh on I'm watching Minneapolis unfold uh on I'm watching Minneapolis unfold uh on Lake Street where it was burning and I Lake Street where it was burning and I Lake Street where it was burning and I got to the Orlando Airport and I booked got to the Orlando Airport and I booked got to the Orlando Airport and I booked a flight without cons I booked it on my a flight without cons I booked it on my a flight without cons I booked it on my own card I didn't consult my boss or own card I didn't consult my boss or own card I didn't consult my boss or anything and I was sitting in my seat on anything and I was sitting in my seat on anything and I was sitting in my seat on the flight and he he straight up told me the flight and he he straight up told me the flight and he he straight up told me he's like if you fuck this up and this he's like if you fuck this up and this he's like if you fuck this up and this destroys the brand we're getting a destroys the brand we're getting a destroys the brand we're getting a different Host this if you mess this up different Host this if you mess this up different Host this if you mess this up and you turn our our our show away from and you turn our our our show away from and you turn our our our show away from a party show about drinking and drugs a party show about drinking and drugs a party show about drinking and drugs and all that stuff and you make this a and all that stuff and you make this a and all that stuff and you make this a social justice show social justice show social justice show you're you're you're done but I was like I just turned my

done but I was like I just turned my done but I was like I just turned my phone off I got to the Minneapolis phone off I got to the Minneapolis phone off I got to the Minneapolis Airport on the second night of the Airport on the second night of the Airport on the second night of the riots and when I got to the airport riots and when I got to the airport riots and when I got to the airport there was National Guardsmen in the there was National Guardsmen in the there was National Guardsmen in the airport and there was a it was like a airport and there was a it was like a airport and there was a it was like a Call of Duty Mission and the one in the Call of Duty Mission and the one in the Call of Duty Mission and the one in the airport and on the speaker they say if airport and on the speaker they say if airport and on the speaker they say if you're arriving here right now you are you're arriving here right now you are you're arriving here right now you are not permitted to go anywhere outside of not permitted to go anywhere outside of not permitted to go anywhere outside of the airport National Guardsmen will the airport National Guardsmen will the airport National Guardsmen will escort you to your Uber or to your car escort you to your Uber or to your car escort you to your Uber or to your car they're going to take a picture of your they're going to take a picture of your they're going to take a picture of your ID they're going to figure out where ID they're going to figure out where ID they're going to figure out where you're going you are not permitted to go you're going you are not permitted to go you're going you are not permitted to go outside tonight and so Lacy picks me up outside tonight and so Lacy picks me up outside tonight and so Lacy picks me up there's two people in the back two of there's two people in the back two of there's two people in the back two of her home girls wearing like shyy masks her home girls wearing like shyy masks her home girls wearing like shyy masks I'm like what are we doing where are we I'm like what are we doing where are we I'm like what are we doing where are we going and she goes we're going to go going and she goes we're going to go going and she goes we're going to go film The Riot we're going to Lake Street film The Riot we're going to Lake Street film The Riot we're going to Lake Street and so I we drive down there Kmart is and so I we drive down there Kmart is and so I we drive down there Kmart is burning Target is burning everything is burning Target is burning everything is burning Target is burning everything is on on on fire she has the Sony A7 she gives me a fire she has the Sony A7 she gives me a fire she has the Sony A7 she gives me a microphone and she's like go talk to microphone and she's like go talk to microphone and she's like go talk to that guy and that was a guy with a that guy and that was a guy with a that guy and that was a guy with a Molotov cocktail in his hand who had Molotov cocktail in his hand who had Molotov cocktail in his hand who had just burned Kmart down and so I go what just burned Kmart down and so I go what just burned Kmart down and so I go what should I ask him she goes what's on your should I ask him she goes what's on your should I ask him she goes what's on your mind so I walk up to him and I'm like mind so I walk up to him and I'm like mind so I walk up to him and I'm like what's on your mind he said something what's on your mind he said something what's on your mind he said something like everything that was happening here like everything that was happening here like everything that was happening here was supposed to happen this is how we was supposed to happen this is how we was supposed to happen this is how we feel is it right no is this going to feel is it right no is this going to feel is it right no is this going to benefit the community no but this is how benefit the community no but this is how benefit the community no but this is how we feel this is how we feel that's we feel this is how we feel that's we feel this is how we feel that's pretty powerful yeah that's a through a pretty powerful yeah that's a through a pretty powerful yeah that's a through a lot of the the documenting that you do lot of the the documenting that you do lot of the the documenting that you do this is how we feel is like yeah this is how we feel is like yeah this is how we feel is like yeah screaming through that yeah and I screaming through that yeah and I screaming through that yeah and I noticed that aside from a group called

noticed that aside from a group called noticed that aside from a group called unicorn Riot there was no one else unicorn Riot there was no one else unicorn Riot there was no one else actually interviewing the protesters the actually interviewing the protesters the actually interviewing the protesters the local news was on the bridge 15 not 15 local news was on the bridge 15 not 15 local news was on the bridge 15 not 15 but five blocks away you know filming but five blocks away you know filming but five blocks away you know filming just the the scene itself just the fire just the the scene itself just the fire just the the scene itself just the fire but I saw some crazy things off camera but I saw some crazy things off camera but I saw some crazy things off camera too I saw so there was kind of two too I saw so there was kind of two too I saw so there was kind of two groups there there was like the the the groups there there was like the the the groups there there was like the the the anarchists more mobilized protesters and anarchists more mobilized protesters and anarchists more mobilized protesters and then there was just mostly then there was just mostly then there was just mostly African-American community members who African-American community members who African-American community members who were just pissed who had nothing to do were just pissed who had nothing to do were just pissed who had nothing to do with the organized resistance and they with the organized resistance and they with the organized resistance and they were all kind of joining forces to Riot were all kind of joining forces to Riot were all kind of joining forces to Riot and uh there was this Anarchist kid who and uh there was this Anarchist kid who and uh there was this Anarchist kid who ran up to White Castle with like a ran up to White Castle with like a ran up to White Castle with like a Molotov cocktail and he was he was about Molotov cocktail and he was he was about Molotov cocktail and he was he was about to throw it at White Castle and this to throw it at White Castle and this to throw it at White Castle and this black dude ran up to him and grabbed his black dude ran up to him and grabbed his black dude ran up to him and grabbed his arm and he's like nah we fuck with White arm and he's like nah we fuck with White arm and he's like nah we fuck with White Castle and I was like what and so you Castle and I was like what and so you Castle and I was like what and so you see if you go on Lake Street every see if you go on Lake Street every see if you go on Lake Street every business is burned White Castle remains business is burned White Castle remains business is burned White Castle remains I also saw these dudes rip this ATM I also saw these dudes rip this ATM I also saw these dudes rip this ATM out of a bank and hit it with out of a bank and hit it with out of a bank and hit it with sledgehammers they were a group of sledgehammers they were a group of sledgehammers they were a group of friends hitting it with sledgehammers friends hitting it with sledgehammers friends hitting it with sledgehammers right they hitting with sledgehammers right they hitting with sledgehammers right they hitting with sledgehammers boom all the sudden money starts boom all the sudden money starts boom all the sudden money starts spraying out of the ATM like I've never spraying out of the ATM like I've never spraying out of the ATM like I've never seen some shit like this like pouring seen some shit like this like pouring seen some shit like this like pouring out of it and then this group of friends out of it and then this group of friends out of it and then this group of friends who were just United and getting it open who were just United and getting it open who were just United and getting it open start fighting each other for the money start fighting each other for the money start fighting each other for the money as it's flying out of it and so there as it's flying out of it and so there as it's flying out of it and so there was just it was like was just it was like was just it was like a like Joker from the Batman's Army type a like Joker from the Batman's Army type a like Joker from the Batman's Army type type Vibes but I got shot in the ass by type Vibes but I got shot in the ass by type Vibes but I got shot in the ass by the National Guard it was no good the National Guard it was no good the National Guard it was no good like a what a rubber bullet yeah yeah like a what a rubber bullet yeah yeah like a what a rubber bullet yeah yeah not not feel honestly it

not not feel honestly it not not feel honestly it hurt it hurt I'm not sure what I was hurt it hurt I'm not sure what I was hurt it hurt I'm not sure what I was expecting as an answer to that question expecting as an answer to that question expecting as an answer to that question yeah I liked it it was good yeah and yeah I liked it it was good yeah and yeah I liked it it was good yeah and then after that I posted the video and then after that I posted the video and then after that I posted the video and it was very well received and that was it was very well received and that was it was very well received and that was the pivotal point where I realized that the pivotal point where I realized that the pivotal point where I realized that everything was going to change I mean everything was going to change I mean everything was going to change I mean there was a still kind of a comedic there was a still kind of a comedic there was a still kind of a comedic element to the way you do conversations element to the way you do conversations element to the way you do conversations with the way you edit so did you see with the way you edit so did you see with the way you edit so did you see yourself as a potentially like a John yourself as a potentially like a John yourself as a potentially like a John Stewart type of character at first but Stewart type of character at first but Stewart type of character at first but you know I just think human beings are you know I just think human beings are you know I just think human beings are just funny in general yeah the absurdity just funny in general yeah the absurdity just funny in general yeah the absurdity of it cool thing about John Stewart is of it cool thing about John Stewart is of it cool thing about John Stewart is like I generally like to say that like I generally like to say that like I generally like to say that anybody who works for corporate media anybody who works for corporate media anybody who works for corporate media whether it be Comedy Central or anything whether it be Comedy Central or anything whether it be Comedy Central or anything owned by Time Warner Fox MSNBC they owned by Time Warner Fox MSNBC they owned by Time Warner Fox MSNBC they can't say what they want because in can't say what they want because in can't say what they want because in order to climb up in those organizations order to climb up in those organizations order to climb up in those organizations you have to appease The Narrative of the you have to appease The Narrative of the you have to appease The Narrative of the company that you're working for to rise company that you're working for to rise company that you're working for to rise in the ranks JN Stewart I feel like has in the ranks JN Stewart I feel like has in the ranks JN Stewart I feel like has so much clout in the media world that so much clout in the media world that so much clout in the media world that I'm pretty sure he can say whatever he I'm pretty sure he can say whatever he I'm pretty sure he can say whatever he wants like I actually don't think that wants like I actually don't think that wants like I actually don't think that John Stewart is controlled by anybody I John Stewart is controlled by anybody I John Stewart is controlled by anybody I really don't I think that he can go on really don't I think that he can go on really don't I think that he can go on his show and talk about whatever I do his show and talk about whatever I do his show and talk about whatever I do think that certain people have broken think that certain people have broken think that certain people have broken the brains of covid broke the brains of the brains of covid broke the brains of the brains of covid broke the brains of a lot of really great people I admire a lot of really great people I admire a lot of really great people I admire Trump broke the brains of a lot of Trump broke the brains of a lot of Trump broke the brains of a lot of people I admire like to where Trump people I admire like to where Trump people I admire like to where Trump trump derangement syndrome become became trump derangement syndrome become became trump derangement syndrome become became a thing like you can't see the world a thing like you can't see the world a thing like you can't see the world quite as clearly because of it and I quite as clearly because of it and I quite as clearly because of it and I think uh John Stewart is quite a genius

think uh John Stewart is quite a genius think uh John Stewart is quite a genius at like stepping away even though the at like stepping away even though the at like stepping away even though the world needed him in that time stepping world needed him in that time stepping world needed him in that time stepping away during that moment of trump and away during that moment of trump and away during that moment of trump and coming back coming back coming back now sort of being able to reflect being now sort of being able to reflect being now sort of being able to reflect being the sort of the Elder Statesman my the sort of the Elder Statesman my the sort of the Elder Statesman my favorite John Stewart moment that favorite John Stewart moment that favorite John Stewart moment that illustrates that perfectly is whenever illustrates that perfectly is whenever illustrates that perfectly is whenever he went on the co Bear show and he was he went on the co Bear show and he was he went on the co Bear show and he was just joking around with Steven colar who just joking around with Steven colar who just joking around with Steven colar who I think is a full-blown propaganda I think is a full-blown propaganda I think is a full-blown propaganda about uh the Wuhan lab League theory he about uh the Wuhan lab League theory he about uh the Wuhan lab League theory he was just goofing around and he was like was just goofing around and he was like was just goofing around and he was like it's called the Corona virus lab and it's called the Corona virus lab and it's called the Corona virus lab and they had it before and now what do we they had it before and now what do we they had it before and now what do we have and it was like you could see in have and it was like you could see in have and it was like you could see in Steven colar that he was like gun to his Steven colar that he was like gun to his Steven colar that he was like gun to his head type shit where he's like John John head type shit where he's like John John head type shit where he's like John John stop joking about that yeah and that stop joking about that yeah and that stop joking about that yeah and that made me realize like oh everything that made me realize like oh everything that made me realize like oh everything that John Stewart did especially for the 9911 John Stewart did especially for the 9911 John Stewart did especially for the 9911 First Responders he's a true American First Responders he's a true American First Responders he's a true American and not in the sense of like a that the and not in the sense of like a that the and not in the sense of like a that the different political parties want you to different political parties want you to different political parties want you to believe as an believe as an believe as an American not a do your part and social American not a do your part and social American not a do your part and social distance American not a you know wave distance American not a you know wave distance American not a you know wave wave your Trump flag in the back of your wave your Trump flag in the back of your wave your Trump flag in the back of your pickup truck American just a guy who pickup truck American just a guy who pickup truck American just a guy who genuinely stands up for what's right genuinely stands up for what's right genuinely stands up for what's right there is a degree to which you can be in there is a degree to which you can be in there is a degree to which you can be in those positions easily captured by group those positions easily captured by group those positions easily captured by group think though even when you're not think though even when you're not think though even when you're not controlled by Bosses and money and all controlled by Bosses and money and all controlled by Bosses and money and all that kind of stuff I think John seers that kind of stuff I think John seers that kind of stuff I think John seers has been mostly resistant but it's it's has been mostly resistant but it's it's has been mostly resistant but it's it's hard his position is difficult I think hard his position is difficult I think hard his position is difficult I think he's done the best job though if someone he's done the best job though if someone he's done the best job though if someone in that obviously Democrat connected in that obviously Democrat connected in that obviously Democrat connected yeah corporate media economy he seems to

yeah corporate media economy he seems to yeah corporate media economy he seems to be the freest talker yeah so this is be the freest talker yeah so this is be the freest talker yeah so this is when you first became famous I'm not when you first became famous I'm not when you first became famous I'm not even sure what Fame means I mean I just even sure what Fame means I mean I just even sure what Fame means I mean I just see myself as me when did you get the see myself as me when did you get the see myself as me when did you get the shades oh that was on tour that was shades oh that was on tour that was shades oh that was on tour that was that's a whole the shades that's dark that's a whole the shades that's dark that's a whole the shades that's dark time time time but I I didn't make like this is a meme but I I didn't make like this is a meme but I I didn't make like this is a meme really I don't even know Sy I didn't really I don't even know Sy I didn't really I don't even know Sy I didn't make journalism to like become famous make journalism to like become famous make journalism to like become famous yeah I made it to give people a platform yeah I made it to give people a platform yeah I made it to give people a platform to share their stories it just so to share their stories it just so to share their stories it just so happens that people liked it enough to happens that people liked it enough to happens that people liked it enough to where I became sort of famous but you where I became sort of famous but you where I became sort of famous but you know if I could go back and not be the know if I could go back and not be the know if I could go back and not be the on camera guy and just platform the on camera guy and just platform the on camera guy and just platform the stories I would but the reality is stories I would but the reality is stories I would but the reality is people need a face to attach to stuff people need a face to attach to stuff people need a face to attach to stuff they like and so that's just how it is they like and so that's just how it is they like and so that's just how it is but yeah I would say right around but yeah I would say right around but yeah I would say right around Minneapolis protest Portland protest Minneapolis protest Portland protest Minneapolis protest Portland protest proud boys rally time when I was really proud boys rally time when I was really proud boys rally time when I was really in there is when started to be acclaimed in there is when started to be acclaimed in there is when started to be acclaimed as more than just like a Ambush meme as more than just like a Ambush meme as more than just like a Ambush meme Lord did that have effect on you the Lord did that have effect on you the Lord did that have effect on you the fame not at that point not at that point fame not at that point not at that point fame not at that point not at that point so like you were still able to have a so like you were still able to have a so like you were still able to have a lightness to you well the country was lightness to you well the country was lightness to you well the country was basically closed yeah so it wasn't like basically closed yeah so it wasn't like basically closed yeah so it wasn't like there was a street to walk down where there was a street to walk down where there was a street to walk down where people were like there's that guy so people were like there's that guy so people were like there's that guy so getting famous famous during covid made getting famous famous during covid made getting famous famous during covid made it so when the country reopened it was it so when the country reopened it was it so when the country reopened it was as if like I my life really changed cuz as if like I my life really changed cuz as if like I my life really changed cuz I was like oh all these fans I made I was like oh all these fans I made I was like oh all these fans I made during Co are like seeing me out at the during Co are like seeing me out at the during Co are like seeing me out at the bar this is cool yeah at first Fame is bar this is cool yeah at first Fame is bar this is cool yeah at first Fame is the best thing ever because you can go the best thing ever because you can go the best thing ever because you can go anywhere in the country and these spaces anywhere in the country and these spaces anywhere in the country and these spaces that you normally feel a bit insecure in

that you normally feel a bit insecure in that you normally feel a bit insecure in like a local dive bar a cool restaurant like a local dive bar a cool restaurant like a local dive bar a cool restaurant a coffee shop where you just be another a coffee shop where you just be another a coffee shop where you just be another guy all of a sudden they're like oh my guy all of a sudden they're like oh my guy all of a sudden they're like oh my God I'm a big fan they give you like God I'm a big fan they give you like God I'm a big fan they give you like free stuff you get this sense of free stuff you get this sense of free stuff you get this sense of acceptance that you never would have got acceptance that you never would have got acceptance that you never would have got before so but there's also the dark side before so but there's also the dark side before so but there's also the dark side well it's all love man I I I I mean I well it's all love man I I I I mean I well it's all love man I I I I mean I just to speak to the first part you're just to speak to the first part you're just to speak to the first part you're saying is there's so much love that saying is there's so much love that saying is there's so much love that people have and they sh it's amazing I'm people have and they sh it's amazing I'm people have and they sh it's amazing I'm sure you know what it's like yeah it's sure you know what it's like yeah it's sure you know what it's like yeah it's beautiful the only downside of Fame beautiful the only downside of Fame beautiful the only downside of Fame really is that you can't really be really is that you can't really be really is that you can't really be anonymous again and you have to seek out anonymous again and you have to seek out anonymous again and you have to seek out more strange environments to be more strange environments to be more strange environments to be anonymous in like right now I live in anonymous in like right now I live in anonymous in like right now I live in the desert basically and I want to live the desert basically and I want to live the desert basically and I want to live in the middle of nowhere in the Mojave in the middle of nowhere in the Mojave in the middle of nowhere in the Mojave Desert not because I'm scared of people Desert not because I'm scared of people Desert not because I'm scared of people but because I just want to be like but because I just want to be like but because I just want to be like Curious me again who people don't know Curious me again who people don't know Curious me again who people don't know and I can ask questions to people that and I can ask questions to people that and I can ask questions to people that I'm interested in without them going I I'm interested in without them going I I'm interested in without them going I remember I see I seen you here or I seen remember I see I seen you here or I seen remember I see I seen you here or I seen you there that's that's the main thing you there that's that's the main thing you there that's that's the main thing that's what I about hitchhiking yeah that's what I about hitchhiking yeah that's what I about hitchhiking yeah just to have anonymity yeah the best but just to have anonymity yeah the best but just to have anonymity yeah the best but both are great complaining about Fame is both are great complaining about Fame is both are great complaining about Fame is just the lamest shit yeah we should go just the lamest shit yeah we should go just the lamest shit yeah we should go to furry conventions that you covered we to furry conventions that you covered we to furry conventions that you covered we wear an wear an outfit I love furries I wear an wear an outfit I love furries I wear an wear an outfit I love furries I should do that yeah we should we should should do that yeah we should we should should do that yeah we should we should go together I go all the time we should go together I go all the time we should go together I go all the time we should go together what's your favorite no I go together what's your favorite no I go together what's your favorite no I have not I think you might like it more have not I think you might like it more have not I think you might like it more than you think I than you think I than you think I listen maybe I'm just afraid to face why listen maybe I'm just afraid to face why listen maybe I'm just afraid to face why I really am yeah you're first s the the I really am yeah you're first s the the I really am yeah you're first s the the true Lex will come out when you're yeah true Lex will come out when you're yeah true Lex will come out when you're yeah in a $3,600 everything is suit lizard is in a $3,600 everything is suit lizard is in a $3,600 everything is suit lizard is that what they go with well that what they go with well that what they go with well scales are the lizard FES yeah and

scales are the lizard FES yeah and scales are the lizard FES yeah and there's a big division in the community there's a big division in the community there's a big division in the community where they think scales are kind of where they think scales are kind of where they think scales are kind of douchebag you know the scaly suits are douchebag you know the scaly suits are douchebag you know the scaly suits are more expensive they're about seven Grand more expensive they're about seven Grand more expensive they're about seven Grand whereas a fur suit is 3600 so and whereas a fur suit is 3600 so and whereas a fur suit is 3600 so and they're also taller yeah so when the they're also taller yeah so when the they're also taller yeah so when the scales pull up to the fur Fest it's like scales pull up to the fur Fest it's like scales pull up to the fur Fest it's like ah fuck the reptiles fuck the reptiles I ah fuck the reptiles fuck the reptiles I ah fuck the reptiles fuck the reptiles I can get behind that I like like more I'm can get behind that I like like more I'm can get behind that I like like more I'm more like a teddy bear type of guy yeah more like a teddy bear type of guy yeah more like a teddy bear type of guy yeah I think Bears I what's maybe squirrels I I think Bears I what's maybe squirrels I I think Bears I what's maybe squirrels I don't know oh squirrels are so cool don't know oh squirrels are so cool don't know oh squirrels are so cool giant squirrels yeah I want to put a giant squirrels yeah I want to put a giant squirrels yeah I want to put a GoPro on one and just see what the hell GoPro on one and just see what the hell GoPro on one and just see what the hell they do um you were you were talking they do um you were you were talking they do um you were you were talking about that conversation with uh the guy about that conversation with uh the guy about that conversation with uh the guy at the head of doing things media how at the head of doing things media how at the head of doing things media how did that end up well I mean I want to did that end up well I mean I want to did that end up well I mean I want to clear up a few things Reed the CEO of clear up a few things Reed the CEO of clear up a few things Reed the CEO of doing things I actually think he's a doing things I actually think he's a doing things I actually think he's a good guy I think that he was just trying good guy I think that he was just trying good guy I think that he was just trying to run a business he saw what was to run a business he saw what was to run a business he saw what was working for his brand which is very working for his brand which is very working for his brand which is very College Centric very Festival Centric College Centric very Festival Centric College Centric very Festival Centric and he was right to think that and he was right to think that and he was right to think that journalism and especially coverage of journalism and especially coverage of journalism and especially coverage of sensitive topics like covid or you know sensitive topics like covid or you know sensitive topics like covid or you know police perality would definitely not police perality would definitely not police perality would definitely not work on merch you know you're not going work on merch you know you're not going work on merch you know you're not going to sell a picture of me interviewing to sell a picture of me interviewing to sell a picture of me interviewing someone at a riot like you would me someone at a riot like you would me someone at a riot like you would me interviewing a fur or a drunk dude in interviewing a fur or a drunk dude in interviewing a fur or a drunk dude in Alabama it doesn't work the same so it Alabama it doesn't work the same so it Alabama it doesn't work the same so it was a lot a lot harder to monetize not was a lot a lot harder to monetize not was a lot a lot harder to monetize not just because of YouTube censorship but just because of YouTube censorship but just because of YouTube censorship but also just because of the sensitive also just because of the sensitive also just because of the sensitive sensitive nature of the content so Reed sensitive nature of the content so Reed sensitive nature of the content so Reed was looking out for himself as a was looking out for himself as a was looking out for himself as a business man there was a different business man there was a different business man there was a different partner I'm not going to say his name partner I'm not going to say his name partner I'm not going to say his name that was more connected in Hollywood I that was more connected in Hollywood I that was more connected in Hollywood I think he's responsible for the the think he's responsible for the the think he's responsible for the the collapse of the show what was the collapse of the show what was the collapse of the show what was the collapse like what was happen right as

collapse like what was happen right as collapse like what was happen right as the country's reopening I get a DM from the country's reopening I get a DM from the country's reopening I get a DM from Eric warheim of Tim and Eric and I'm I'm Eric warheim of Tim and Eric and I'm I'm Eric warheim of Tim and Eric and I'm I'm covering something called the UFO Mega covering something called the UFO Mega covering something called the UFO Mega conference in Laughlin Nevada which is a conference in Laughlin Nevada which is a conference in Laughlin Nevada which is a beautiful uh Rivertown and um you know beautiful uh Rivertown and um you know beautiful uh Rivertown and um you know he he DMS me he says let's make a show he he DMS me he says let's make a show he he DMS me he says let's make a show and I'm like oh shit is this real you and I'm like oh shit is this real you and I'm like oh shit is this real you know I grew up such a big fan of uh know I grew up such a big fan of uh know I grew up such a big fan of uh Nathan for you and the Eric Andre show Nathan for you and the Eric Andre show Nathan for you and the Eric Andre show and those are produced by their company and those are produced by their company and those are produced by their company absolutely so I was like hell yeah let's absolutely so I was like hell yeah let's absolutely so I was like hell yeah let's do it um three days later I get a call do it um three days later I get a call do it um three days later I get a call it says Jonah Hill wants to hop on board it says Jonah Hill wants to hop on board it says Jonah Hill wants to hop on board and I I can't believe this you know I'm and I I can't believe this you know I'm and I I can't believe this you know I'm still in the RV and I'm in Laughlin still in the RV and I'm in Laughlin still in the RV and I'm in Laughlin Nevada so I'm like Jonah Hill super bad Nevada so I'm like Jonah Hill super bad Nevada so I'm like Jonah Hill super bad are you shitting me right now so I was are you shitting me right now so I was are you shitting me right now so I was excited and uh oh and Moneyball Jonah excited and uh oh and Moneyball Jonah excited and uh oh and Moneyball Jonah Hill's a great actor oh he's great he's Hill's a great actor oh he's great he's Hill's a great actor oh he's great he's great all around yeah doesn't get the great all around yeah doesn't get the great all around yeah doesn't get the credit he deserves well I mean he's got credit he deserves well I mean he's got credit he deserves well I mean he's got the credit by now but still deserves the credit by now but still deserves the credit by now but still deserves more so basically just within a week I more so basically just within a week I more so basically just within a week I assembled this super team of Tim and assembled this super team of Tim and assembled this super team of Tim and Eric super bad team yeah pretty much of Eric super bad team yeah pretty much of Eric super bad team yeah pretty much of Tim Ander sorry I'm so sorry good and Tim Ander sorry I'm so sorry good and Tim Ander sorry I'm so sorry good and Jonah Hill and yeah we just pitched it Jonah Hill and yeah we just pitched it Jonah Hill and yeah we just pitched it around every single TV network rejected around every single TV network rejected around every single TV network rejected it I don't know why and they mainly did it I don't know why and they mainly did it I don't know why and they mainly did that because I was in this weird that because I was in this weird that because I was in this weird situation where I had signed a contract situation where I had signed a contract situation where I had signed a contract with doing things media that I didn't with doing things media that I didn't with doing things media that I didn't realize was called a 360 deal that's realize was called a 360 deal that's realize was called a 360 deal that's what they use in like the rap world what they use in like the rap world what they use in like the rap world basically means that I can't do anything basically means that I can't do anything basically means that I can't do anything outside of them without them getting outside of them without them getting outside of them without them getting 100% of the money so if I was to go work 100% of the money so if I was to go work 100% of the money so if I was to go work at sabaro or Quiznos while I was working at sabaro or Quiznos while I was working at sabaro or Quiznos while I was working for all gas no breaks they would get my

for all gas no breaks they would get my for all gas no breaks they would get my 500 bucks a week from The Sandwich Spot 500 bucks a week from The Sandwich Spot 500 bucks a week from The Sandwich Spot I was unable to earn any outside income I was unable to earn any outside income I was unable to earn any outside income um I didn't read the fine print cuz I um I didn't read the fine print cuz I um I didn't read the fine print cuz I was 21 and like I told you 45k a year RV was 21 and like I told you 45k a year RV was 21 and like I told you 45k a year RV sounds sick yeah and uh basically the TV sounds sick yeah and uh basically the TV sounds sick yeah and uh basically the TV networks were like why would we buy a networks were like why would we buy a networks were like why would we buy a show if the digital brands going to be show if the digital brands going to be show if the digital brands going to be running at the same time cuz they didn't running at the same time cuz they didn't running at the same time cuz they didn't want to stop doing all gas no breaks to want to stop doing all gas no breaks to want to stop doing all gas no breaks to make a TV show they wanted all gas no make a TV show they wanted all gas no make a TV show they wanted all gas no braks to continue as a web show while braks to continue as a web show while braks to continue as a web show while all gas no breaks as a future TV show at all gas no breaks as a future TV show at all gas no breaks as a future TV show at Showtime or Hulu or somewhere like that Showtime or Hulu or somewhere like that Showtime or Hulu or somewhere like that was also concurrently running which is was also concurrently running which is was also concurrently running which is impossible for one man to do and so impossible for one man to do and so impossible for one man to do and so every TV network said okay we're not every TV network said okay we're not every TV network said okay we're not doing that we want an exclusive rights doing that we want an exclusive rights doing that we want an exclusive rights contract with this guy uh next oh yeah contract with this guy uh next oh yeah contract with this guy uh next oh yeah this is crazy to think about cuz it all this is crazy to think about cuz it all this is crazy to think about cuz it all happened so fast so Jonah Hill says a24 happened so fast so Jonah Hill says a24 happened so fast so Jonah Hill says a24 films wants to do a movie instead of a films wants to do a movie instead of a films wants to do a movie instead of a show and they're going to let you keep show and they're going to let you keep show and they're going to let you keep the digital brand running so this meant the digital brand running so this meant the digital brand running so this meant that I could keep doing my Instagram that I could keep doing my Instagram that I could keep doing my Instagram stuff with doing things mediaall gas no stuff with doing things mediaall gas no stuff with doing things mediaall gas no braks while making an a24 movie with braks while making an a24 movie with braks while making an a24 movie with Jonah Hill and Tim and Eric so it was Jonah Hill and Tim and Eric so it was Jonah Hill and Tim and Eric so it was just like I was excited it sound sounded just like I was excited it sound sounded just like I was excited it sound sounded perfect so they said okay what do you perfect so they said okay what do you perfect so they said okay what do you want to make a movie about and I told want to make a movie about and I told want to make a movie about and I told them okay here's what's going to happen them okay here's what's going to happen them okay here's what's going to happen in 2020 in 2020 if Trump wins there's in 2020 in 2020 if Trump wins there's in 2020 in 2020 if Trump wins there's going to be riots across the going to be riots across the going to be riots across the country the major cities are going to country the major cities are going to country the major cities are going to burn down if Trump loses the militias burn down if Trump loses the militias burn down if Trump loses the militias and his loyal supporters are going to and his loyal supporters are going to and his loyal supporters are going to try to have a coup in DC that's what I

try to have a coup in DC that's what I try to have a coup in DC that's what I said and I said so I'm going to follow said and I said so I'm going to follow said and I said so I'm going to follow the leadup to whoever wins the election the leadup to whoever wins the election the leadup to whoever wins the election and I'm going to document what happens and I'm going to document what happens and I'm going to document what happens after so they said okay and so I was to after so they said okay and so I was to after so they said okay and so I was to begin filming in late October you know begin filming in late October you know begin filming in late October you know during the campaign Trail maybe mid during the campaign Trail maybe mid during the campaign Trail maybe mid October October October up until November and then in the up until November and then in the up until November and then in the following months to see what would following months to see what would following months to see what would happen um this meant that I couldn't happen um this meant that I couldn't happen um this meant that I couldn't film anything for all gas no breaks the film anything for all gas no breaks the film anything for all gas no breaks the digital show because I had to dedicate digital show because I had to dedicate digital show because I had to dedicate 100% of my time to making this perfect 100% of my time to making this perfect 100% of my time to making this perfect movie movie movie yes still one of the partners at doing yes still one of the partners at doing yes still one of the partners at doing things media was demanding that I not things media was demanding that I not things media was demanding that I not only produce the movie but also more only produce the movie but also more only produce the movie but also more content for the show and I told them content for the show and I told them content for the show and I told them there's only so many hours in a day man there's only so many hours in a day man there's only so many hours in a day man that's going to be impossible and I said that's going to be impossible and I said that's going to be impossible and I said if you want it to be possible I can make if you want it to be possible I can make if you want it to be possible I can make it work but I want to have half of the it work but I want to have half of the it work but I want to have half of the monetization from the show 50% profit monetization from the show 50% profit monetization from the show 50% profit split which I thought is fair if you split which I thought is fair if you split which I thought is fair if you want me to do double work when I was want me to do double work when I was want me to do double work when I was getting almost nothing before split me getting almost nothing before split me getting almost nothing before split me in on the profits they fired us in on the profits they fired us in on the profits they fired us immediately me and my two childhood immediately me and my two childhood immediately me and my two childhood friends who I hired to work on the show friends who I hired to work on the show friends who I hired to work on the show with me were all out of a job as we were with me were all out of a job as we were with me were all out of a job as we were filming for the now HBO project we got filming for the now HBO project we got filming for the now HBO project we got our fire notices the guts on those on our fire notices the guts on those on our fire notices the guts on those on that on that person to cuz you should be that on that person to cuz you should be that on that person to cuz you should be owning probably close to 100% of it I owning probably close to 100% of it I owning probably close to 100% of it I think so too but they didn't see it that think so too but they didn't see it that think so too but they didn't see it that way cuz they figured we made the initial way cuz they figured we made the initial way cuz they figured we made the initial investment we discovered him is how they investment we discovered him is how they investment we discovered him is how they they looked at it so it wasn't Reed but they looked at it so it wasn't Reed but they looked at it so it wasn't Reed but it was the other partner who wasn't Reed it was the other partner who wasn't Reed it was the other partner who wasn't Reed who said we have tons of verbatim he

who said we have tons of verbatim he who said we have tons of verbatim he said this we have I have tons of said this we have I have tons of said this we have I have tons of Connections in the comedy world we can Connections in the comedy world we can Connections in the comedy world we can replace Andrew overnight MH I'm not sure replace Andrew overnight MH I'm not sure replace Andrew overnight MH I'm not sure why he made that miscalculation I wish why he made that miscalculation I wish why he made that miscalculation I wish he would have thought about it twice I he would have thought about it twice I he would have thought about it twice I wish he didn't have to end like that but wish he didn't have to end like that but wish he didn't have to end like that but it did why do people do that like what's it did why do people do that like what's it did why do people do that like what's the benefit of acting like that I think the benefit of acting like that I think the benefit of acting like that I think you can part you can part you can part amicably without the drama I think all amicably without the drama I think all amicably without the drama I think all betrayal and anything like that is betrayal and anything like that is betrayal and anything like that is motivated by self-interest whether that motivated by self-interest whether that motivated by self-interest whether that be economic success social stability be economic success social stability be economic success social stability whatever it is they figured that because whatever it is they figured that because whatever it is they figured that because I was being such a burden in asking for I was being such a burden in asking for I was being such a burden in asking for the profit that they could just release the profit that they could just release the profit that they could just release me and find someone equally talented and me and find someone equally talented and me and find someone equally talented and not split them in so they can make more not split them in so they can make more not split them in so they can make more money money money I see well that's a a stupid way to I see well that's a a stupid way to I see well that's a a stupid way to think people think like that man people think people think like that man people think people think like that man people who who who are the word I use as like sidekick are the word I use as like sidekick are the word I use as like sidekick syndrome like when people are kind of a syndrome like when people are kind of a syndrome like when people are kind of a part of the production but they're not part of the production but they're not part of the production but they're not integral they start thinking that the integral they start thinking that the integral they start thinking that the front man doesn't matter or something front man doesn't matter or something front man doesn't matter or something and that the brains of the operation are and that the brains of the operation are and that the brains of the operation are actually the people on the periphery and actually the people on the periphery and actually the people on the periphery and so they start to believe that they can so they start to believe that they can so they start to believe that they can just shift things around and the just shift things around and the just shift things around and the audience won't care not realizing that I audience won't care not realizing that I audience won't care not realizing that I was actually the one who created the was actually the one who created the was actually the one who created the show and that the lore of the show is show and that the lore of the show is show and that the lore of the show is connected to my rise outside of their connected to my rise outside of their connected to my rise outside of their jurisdiction if that makes sense like jurisdiction if that makes sense like jurisdiction if that makes sense like the people who watch all gas no breaks the people who watch all gas no breaks the people who watch all gas no breaks watched quarter confessions and read the watched quarter confessions and read the watched quarter confessions and read the book and so you know well this happens book and so you know well this happens book and so you know well this happens also not just financially but just with also not just financially but just with also not just financially but just with people that uh s of part of a team but

people that uh s of part of a team but people that uh s of part of a team but they don't really contribute creatively they don't really contribute creatively they don't really contribute creatively to the team and they they uh force their to the team and they they uh force their to the team and they they uh force their opinion or pressure I mean whether it's opinion or pressure I mean whether it's opinion or pressure I mean whether it's comes comes comes [Music] [Music] [Music] from um like from editors or all that from um like from editors or all that from um like from editors or all that kind of stuff or from sponsors or this kind of stuff or from sponsors or this kind of stuff or from sponsors or this this pressure they create when they when this pressure they create when they when this pressure they create when they when the the Creator alone should be the the Creator alone should be the the Creator alone should be celebrated and have all the power celebrated and have all the power celebrated and have all the power because they're the ones that are because they're the ones that are because they're the ones that are creating the thing in a way I have creating the thing in a way I have creating the thing in a way I have sympathy because I I can't relate to sympathy because I I can't relate to sympathy because I I can't relate to that because I've always been the front that because I've always been the front that because I've always been the front man of my own projects by Design so I'm man of my own projects by Design so I'm man of my own projects by Design so I'm not sure what it's like to be a like not sure what it's like to be a like not sure what it's like to be a like someone's owner from a Content someone's owner from a Content someone's owner from a Content perspective I don't understand the perspective I don't understand the perspective I don't understand the challenges they face maybe there was challenges they face maybe there was challenges they face maybe there was something that I didn't understand I something that I didn't understand I something that I didn't understand I don't know true well often times if you don't know true well often times if you don't know true well often times if you own a thing like this like this company own a thing like this like this company own a thing like this like this company you do think about brand right and then you do think about brand right and then you do think about brand right and then maybe have a big picture idea what brand maybe have a big picture idea what brand maybe have a big picture idea what brand means and that that can be at tension means and that that can be at tension means and that that can be at tension with the the creative project right yeah with the the creative project right yeah with the the creative project right yeah like but ultimately like but ultimately like but ultimately freedom for the Creator is is the best freedom for the Creator is is the best freedom for the Creator is is the best kind of brand yeah I remember all three kind of brand yeah I remember all three kind of brand yeah I remember all three of us who worked on all gas no braks got of us who worked on all gas no braks got of us who worked on all gas no braks got fired at the same time and we were in fired at the same time and we were in fired at the same time and we were in the we were in the RV that uh Tim and the we were in the RV that uh Tim and the we were in the RV that uh Tim and Eric company bought for us which was a Eric company bought for us which was a Eric company bought for us which was a bigger RV in the parking lot parking lot bigger RV in the parking lot parking lot bigger RV in the parking lot parking lot of a Walmart in South Philly and the of a Walmart in South Philly and the of a Walmart in South Philly and the propane had just ran out and it was 15° propane had just ran out and it was 15° propane had just ran out and it was 15° outside so like the RV was getting outside so like the RV was getting outside so like the RV was getting really cold really fast and I just really cold really fast and I just really cold really fast and I just looked at my phone and it was like looked at my phone and it was like looked at my phone and it was like you're fired and I was just like God you're fired and I was just like God you're fired and I was just like God help me but I've had a couple moments

help me but I've had a couple moments help me but I've had a couple moments like that and God does help me and there like that and God does help me and there like that and God does help me and there were always in the parking lot a wall were always in the parking lot a wall were always in the parking lot a wall Walmart right well yeah although I know Walmart right well yeah although I know Walmart right well yeah although I know that Walmart by the way the one in South that Walmart by the way the one in South that Walmart by the way the one in South Philly is great yeah that's great but Philly is great yeah that's great but Philly is great yeah that's great but technically now you can't park an RV technically now you can't park an RV technically now you can't park an RV there well you're not you're not a man there well you're not you're not a man there well you're not you're not a man who follows the rules if you know what who follows the rules if you know what who follows the rules if you know what I'm saying the thing is though Walmart I'm saying the thing is though Walmart I'm saying the thing is though Walmart Cracker Barrel and big five are supposed Cracker Barrel and big five are supposed Cracker Barrel and big five are supposed to technically all let RV campers Park to technically all let RV campers Park to technically all let RV campers Park overnight but if there's like a crime overnight but if there's like a crime overnight but if there's like a crime problem in the city where they're at problem in the city where they're at problem in the city where they're at they can Lobby individual Walmarts can they can Lobby individual Walmarts can they can Lobby individual Walmarts can lobby with the corporate to take that lobby with the corporate to take that lobby with the corporate to take that away so like all the Portland Walmarts away so like all the Portland Walmarts away so like all the Portland Walmarts you can't sleep there anymore any City you can't sleep there anymore any City you can't sleep there anymore any City with like significant homelessness and with like significant homelessness and with like significant homelessness and like Petty property crime the Walmarts like Petty property crime the Walmarts like Petty property crime the Walmarts are a are a are a no-go fascinating so that was a low no-go fascinating so that was a low no-go fascinating so that was a low Point Point Point yeah and but from there From the Ashes yeah and but from there From the Ashes yeah and but from there From the Ashes the Phoenix Rose over time yeah channel the Phoenix Rose over time yeah channel the Phoenix Rose over time yeah channel five was born Channel 5 was born in the five was born Channel 5 was born in the five was born Channel 5 was born in the march of march of march of 2021 after uh we finished filming for 2021 after uh we finished filming for 2021 after uh we finished filming for the HBO project oh really so you went the HBO project oh really so you went the HBO project oh really so you went all in on the HBO project at yeah I mean all in on the HBO project at yeah I mean all in on the HBO project at yeah I mean we filmed the HBO project from November we filmed the HBO project from November we filmed the HBO project from November 2020 up until uh April 2021 damn near we 2020 up until uh April 2021 damn near we 2020 up until uh April 2021 damn near we were just like you know picking up the were just like you know picking up the were just like you know picking up the pieces going back for individual pieces going back for individual pieces going back for individual interviews stuff like that so let's go interviews stuff like that so let's go interviews stuff like that so let's go to that project it it turned out to be a to that project it it turned out to be a to that project it it turned out to be a movie called this place rules was movie called this place rules was movie called this place rules was supposed to be called America shits supposed to be called America shits supposed to be called America shits itself oh yeah maybe you can tell the itself oh yeah maybe you can tell the itself oh yeah maybe you can tell the story of the film you have what's his story of the film you have what's his story of the film you have what's his name I wrote this down Joker gang and name I wrote this down Joker gang and name I wrote this down Joker gang and gum gang is that correct yeah the gum gang is that correct yeah the gum gang is that correct yeah the opening scene the opening scene of two opening scene the opening scene of two opening scene the opening scene of two characters uh just talking shit and then

characters uh just talking shit and then characters uh just talking shit and then getting into a fight and that I I think getting into a fight and that I I think getting into a fight and that I I think was really brilliant how you presented was really brilliant how you presented was really brilliant how you presented that as a almost like a microcosm of that as a almost like a microcosm of that as a almost like a microcosm of like the division between the the like the division between the the like the division between the the extremes of the left and the extremes of extremes of the left and the extremes of extremes of the left and the extremes of the right that's exactly what it was I'm the right that's exactly what it was I'm the right that's exactly what it was I'm glad you picked up on it yeah and then glad you picked up on it yeah and then glad you picked up on it yeah and then what I really liked is that the joke what I really liked is that the joke what I really liked is that the joke again um Joker gang was kind of a little again um Joker gang was kind of a little again um Joker gang was kind of a little bit of a spoiler alert I apologized but bit of a spoiler alert I apologized but bit of a spoiler alert I apologized but at the end of the film is as a kind of at the end of the film is as a kind of at the end of the film is as a kind of um voice of wisdom yeah I just he seems um voice of wisdom yeah I just he seems um voice of wisdom yeah I just he seems the most he seems the most sane he was the most he seems the most sane he was the most he seems the most sane he was the voice of wisdom he like cut through the voice of wisdom he like cut through the voice of wisdom he like cut through it yeah I also just realized a lot of it yeah I also just realized a lot of it yeah I also just realized a lot of people are going to stream the movie people are going to stream the movie people are going to stream the movie after watching this podcast which is after watching this podcast which is after watching this podcast which is cool yeah where do they stream it on HBO cool yeah where do they stream it on HBO cool yeah where do they stream it on HBO Max yeah HBO Max I never got a chance to Max yeah HBO Max I never got a chance to Max yeah HBO Max I never got a chance to promote the M it's such a pain in the promote the M it's such a pain in the promote the M it's such a pain in the ass man I wish we could all just pay on ass man I wish we could all just pay on ass man I wish we could all just pay on it on YouTube or something yeah and HBO it on YouTube or something yeah and HBO it on YouTube or something yeah and HBO gets the profits or whatever but like gets the profits or whatever but like gets the profits or whatever but like it's such to subscribe for every single it's such to subscribe for every single it's such to subscribe for every single thing but yes if you want to watch it thing but yes if you want to watch it thing but yes if you want to watch it it's really I recommend extremely highly it's really I recommend extremely highly it's really I recommend extremely highly sign up to HBO whatever the hell on the sign up to HBO whatever the hell on the sign up to HBO whatever the hell on the positive note HBO is great to work with positive note HBO is great to work with positive note HBO is great to work with like that they're the most professional like that they're the most professional like that they're the most professional like respectful company I've ever worked like respectful company I've ever worked like respectful company I've ever worked with pretty much like yeah HBO has with pretty much like yeah HBO has with pretty much like yeah HBO has created some of the greatest like TV created some of the greatest like TV created some of the greatest like TV ever but even on in the background like ever but even on in the background like ever but even on in the background like they get shit done there's there's no they get shit done there's there's no they get shit done there's there's no there's no wait time they have some of there's no wait time they have some of there's no wait time they have some of the best Heavy Hitters on their team for the best Heavy Hitters on their team for the best Heavy Hitters on their team for trailers for posters all the promotional trailers for posters all the promotional trailers for posters all the promotional apparatus they have is like super solid apparatus they have is like super solid apparatus they have is like super solid did you get like good notes from people did you get like good notes from people did you get like good notes from people there like how to a little bit man but there like how to a little bit man but there like how to a little bit man but you know it's a it's a truly original you know it's a it's a truly original you know it's a it's a truly original like documentary like I meaning like I

like documentary like I meaning like I like documentary like I meaning like I just haven't seen anything like it it's just haven't seen anything like it it's just haven't seen anything like it it's even like it's so like there's a humor even like it's so like there's a humor even like it's so like there's a humor and a lightness at the right kinds of and a lightness at the right kinds of and a lightness at the right kinds of moments mhm um like like I said there's moments mhm um like like I said there's moments mhm um like like I said there's like a rooster in your that's like okay like a rooster in your that's like okay like a rooster in your that's like okay that's like a nonsecular like thing as that's like a nonsecular like thing as that's like a nonsecular like thing as part of a storytelling it kind of part of a storytelling it kind of part of a storytelling it kind of intensifies and reveals the absurdity of intensifies and reveals the absurdity of intensifies and reveals the absurdity of the division MH and how one once like the division MH and how one once like the division MH and how one once like January 6 happens like everybody like January 6 happens like everybody like January 6 happens like everybody like goes on to the next thing yeah it's like goes on to the next thing yeah it's like goes on to the next thing yeah it's like what happened to us is it was almost what happened to us is it was almost what happened to us is it was almost like a delirium that everybody was like a delirium that everybody was like a delirium that everybody was participating in some weird just like uh participating in some weird just like uh participating in some weird just like uh well like people say mind virus like all well like people say mind virus like all well like people say mind virus like all of a sudden we just got captured and of a sudden we just got captured and of a sudden we just got captured and people just like yelling at each other people just like yelling at each other people just like yelling at each other doing the most ridiculous shit and I doing the most ridiculous shit and I doing the most ridiculous shit and I mean really January 6th the way you mean really January 6th the way you mean really January 6th the way you presented especially just reveals the presented especially just reveals the presented especially just reveals the circus of it all I mean it really broke circus of it all I mean it really broke circus of it all I mean it really broke the the fourth wall that's how I would the the fourth wall that's how I would the the fourth wall that's how I would describe it because if you were at describe it because if you were at describe it because if you were at January 6th and the leadup it felt like January 6th and the leadup it felt like January 6th and the leadup it felt like it was the beginning to a series of it was the beginning to a series of it was the beginning to a series of similar riots but it just popped off so similar riots but it just popped off so similar riots but it just popped off so much that that was it there you haven't much that that was it there you haven't much that that was it there you haven't seen anything like it since there was seen anything like it since there was seen anything like it since there was supposed to be a second one on January supposed to be a second one on January supposed to be a second one on January 20th it was the actual in ation that 20th it was the actual in ation that 20th it was the actual in ation that never happened it was a crazy time to be never happened it was a crazy time to be never happened it was a crazy time to be alive and around and especially the alive and around and especially the alive and around and especially the relationship that I developed with um relationship that I developed with um relationship that I developed with um Enrique toio who's the former chairman Enrique toio who's the former chairman Enrique toio who's the former chairman of The Proud boys he's now facing you of The Proud boys he's now facing you of The Proud boys he's now facing you know 23 years in prison it took a trip know 23 years in prison it took a trip know 23 years in prison it took a trip because I went to his house in Miami because I went to his house in Miami because I went to his house in Miami maybe two weeks after January 6 and maybe two weeks after January 6 and maybe two weeks after January 6 and talking to him it seemed like he didn't talking to him it seemed like he didn't talking to him it seemed like he didn't think anything was going to happen he think anything was going to happen he think anything was going to happen he was just like yeah man that was crazy was just like yeah man that was crazy was just like yeah man that was crazy I'm I'm glad I wasn't there like they're

I'm I'm glad I wasn't there like they're I'm I'm glad I wasn't there like they're dumb for doing that he even told me he dumb for doing that he even told me he dumb for doing that he even told me he doesn't think the election was stolen doesn't think the election was stolen doesn't think the election was stolen mhm which is just a mind fuck it's like mhm which is just a mind fuck it's like mhm which is just a mind fuck it's like what why'd you get everyone so hyped up what why'd you get everyone so hyped up what why'd you get everyone so hyped up it's just weird to think about how so it's just weird to think about how so it's just weird to think about how so many people's lives are drastically many people's lives are drastically many people's lives are drastically altered forever because of that just altered forever because of that just altered forever because of that just bizarre moment in time that we'll always bizarre moment in time that we'll always bizarre moment in time that we'll always live live live on yeah what what did you uh q and on as on yeah what what did you uh q and on as on yeah what what did you uh q and on as part of that story what did you learn part of that story what did you learn part of that story what did you learn about Q andon from that um just an about Q andon from that um just an about Q andon from that um just an all-encompassing worldview that family all-encompassing worldview that family all-encompassing worldview that family that I talked to I call them the cubon that I talked to I call them the cubon that I talked to I call them the cubon family but it's called the Spencer family but it's called the Spencer family but it's called the Spencer family you know they were non political family you know they were non political family you know they were non political up until the stop the steel movement up until the stop the steel movement up until the stop the steel movement began in September of 2020 and within 4 began in September of 2020 and within 4 began in September of 2020 and within 4 months their entire life revolved around months their entire life revolved around months their entire life revolved around the mythology and lore of Q and I've the mythology and lore of Q and I've the mythology and lore of Q and I've never seen in my life a scop just devour never seen in my life a scop just devour never seen in my life a scop just devour people's minds in such an intense way in people's minds in such an intense way in people's minds in such an intense way in such a rapid period of time and I love such a rapid period of time and I love such a rapid period of time and I love how the kids in the movie are also the how the kids in the movie are also the how the kids in the movie are also the voices of wisdom the Spencer family it's voices of wisdom the Spencer family it's voices of wisdom the Spencer family it's the kid who like goes to the full the kid who like goes to the full the kid who like goes to the full Journey yeah of like believing um that Journey yeah of like believing um that Journey yeah of like believing um that whatever Hillary Clinton is a lizard or whatever Hillary Clinton is a lizard or whatever Hillary Clinton is a lizard or and just believing all the the worst and just believing all the the worst and just believing all the the worst versions of the conspiracy theories and versions of the conspiracy theories and versions of the conspiracy theories and then kind of waking up was like what was then kind of waking up was like what was then kind of waking up was like what was the point yeah it was heartbreaking to the point yeah it was heartbreaking to the point yeah it was heartbreaking to see his disappointment and his dad for see his disappointment and his dad for see his disappointment and his dad for even you know following qanon so even you know following qanon so even you know following qanon so militantly cuz he was like iel like they militantly cuz he was like iel like they militantly cuz he was like iel like they let my dad down I feel like they let our let my dad down I feel like they let our let my dad down I feel like they let our family down you know because January 6 family down you know because January 6 family down you know because January 6 was supposed to be the day according to was supposed to be the day according to was supposed to be the day according to konon that the storm happens and that

konon that the storm happens and that konon that the storm happens and that the military is supposed to mobilize and the military is supposed to mobilize and the military is supposed to mobilize and arrest the members of the deep State arrest the members of the deep State arrest the members of the deep State Clinton Soros all that Trump was Clinton Soros all that Trump was Clinton Soros all that Trump was supposed to go into a helicopter you supposed to go into a helicopter you supposed to go into a helicopter you know what I mean and take control of the know what I mean and take control of the know what I mean and take control of the country back from you know the swamp and country back from you know the swamp and country back from you know the swamp and it didn't happen in fact the next day he it didn't happen in fact the next day he it didn't happen in fact the next day he was like almost denouncing it now he was like almost denouncing it now he was like almost denouncing it now he doesn't but then he did and it was a doesn't but then he did and it was a doesn't but then he did and it was a really I think it hurt people's Pride a really I think it hurt people's Pride a really I think it hurt people's Pride a lot my my friend forg AO blow he's a lot my my friend forg AO blow he's a lot my my friend forg AO blow he's a trump rapper he describes it that way he trump rapper he describes it that way he trump rapper he describes it that way he says a lot of people's Pride got hurt by says a lot of people's Pride got hurt by says a lot of people's Pride got hurt by January 6th Trump rapper oh yeah dude January 6th Trump rapper oh yeah dude January 6th Trump rapper oh yeah dude there honest there's some pretty dope there honest there's some pretty dope there honest there's some pretty dope Trump rap out there I'm serious they Trump rap out there I'm serious they Trump rap out there I'm serious they there yeah like you would think like oh there yeah like you would think like oh there yeah like you would think like oh yeah magga there's no rappers there but yeah magga there's no rappers there but yeah magga there's no rappers there but there's rappers and they do a pretty there's rappers and they do a pretty there's rappers and they do a pretty good job they're good at delivering the good job they're good at delivering the good job they're good at delivering the messaging they want to deliver yeah I messaging they want to deliver yeah I messaging they want to deliver yeah I mean they think of stuff that I'm like mean they think of stuff that I'm like mean they think of stuff that I'm like that's clever oh they like they have that's clever oh they like they have that's clever oh they like they have some political depth to them yeah wow I some political depth to them yeah wow I some political depth to them yeah wow I mean is there something more you can say mean is there something more you can say mean is there something more you can say about like how q and out works like about like how q and out works like about like how q and out works like who's behind it what's your sense of who's behind it what's your sense of who's behind it what's your sense of who's behind the whole thing you know I don't want this to sound rude or I don't want this to sound rude or anything I just don't care about qan on anything I just don't care about qan on anything I just don't care about qan on you know what I mean i' I've put so much you know what I mean i' I've put so much you know what I mean i' I've put so much thought into it and I just can't seem to thought into it and I just can't seem to thought into it and I just can't seem to care about it was it a like almost a care about it was it a like almost a care about it was it a like almost a disappointment cuz like disappointment cuz like disappointment cuz like the to me it was like a thing that just the to me it was like a thing that just the to me it was like a thing that just captured a very large number of people's captured a very large number of people's captured a very large number of people's minds and then it just kind of faded I

minds and then it just kind of faded I minds and then it just kind of faded I guess that's why it just seems like uh guess that's why it just seems like uh guess that's why it just seems like uh it's gone and the ideas of Q andon have it's gone and the ideas of Q andon have it's gone and the ideas of Q andon have just bled into mainstream standard just bled into mainstream standard just bled into mainstream standard conservative thinking but there has to conservative thinking but there has to conservative thinking but there has to be a kind of retrospective like but be a kind of retrospective like but be a kind of retrospective like but that's the problem I have with Co you that's the problem I have with Co you that's the problem I have with Co you know a lot of stuff happened everybody know a lot of stuff happened everybody know a lot of stuff happened everybody freaked out there's a lot of big drama freaked out there's a lot of big drama freaked out there's a lot of big drama around it and now everyone's like okay around it and now everyone's like okay around it and now everyone's like okay forgot yeah just like moved up wait what forgot yeah just like moved up wait what forgot yeah just like moved up wait what are the Lessons Learned has anyone are the Lessons Learned has anyone are the Lessons Learned has anyone learned any lessons yeah like what learned any lessons yeah like what learned any lessons yeah like what exactly what I'm saying is I don't want exactly what I'm saying is I don't want exactly what I'm saying is I don't want Q andon adherence to see this and think Q andon adherence to see this and think Q andon adherence to see this and think I don't care about them yeah but like as I don't care about them yeah but like as I don't care about them yeah but like as far as who is behind it the damage is far as who is behind it the damage is far as who is behind it the damage is done yeah but what are the mechanisms done yeah but what are the mechanisms done yeah but what are the mechanisms that made it work I mean that's you that made it work I mean that's you that made it work I mean that's you think have you kind of like thought think have you kind of like thought think have you kind of like thought about that I I kind of think that these about that I I kind of think that these about that I I kind of think that these viral ideas can be driven by and your viral ideas can be driven by and your viral ideas can be driven by and your film kind of shows this by just a film kind of shows this by just a film kind of shows this by just a handful of people and they're not handful of people and they're not handful of people and they're not malevolent they just want the clout yeah malevolent they just want the clout yeah malevolent they just want the clout yeah and there's something sexy there's and there's something sexy there's and there's something sexy there's something really sticky about conspiracy something really sticky about conspiracy something really sticky about conspiracy theories like especially extreme ones theories like especially extreme ones theories like especially extreme ones you just kind of like it some of them you just kind of like it some of them you just kind of like it some of them can have this momentum they capture the can have this momentum they capture the can have this momentum they capture the minds of a lot of people and you just go minds of a lot of people and you just go minds of a lot of people and you just go with it and it like when I hear some with it and it like when I hear some with it and it like when I hear some conspiracy theories like there's conspiracy theories like there's conspiracy theories like there's something like a small part of me that something like a small part of me that something like a small part of me that kind of like kind of like kind of like yeah it's possible you know that qanon yeah it's possible you know that qanon yeah it's possible you know that qanon is a scop to distract people away from is a scop to distract people away from is a scop to distract people away from actually uncovering what the Deep state actually uncovering what the Deep state actually uncovering what the Deep state is and who is truly uh running things is and who is truly uh running things is and who is truly uh running things behind the scenes because the Deep state behind the scenes because the Deep state behind the scenes because the Deep state is just the is just the is just the 1% it's that you take you get people so

1% it's that you take you get people so 1% it's that you take you get people so close to any type of class Consciousness close to any type of class Consciousness close to any type of class Consciousness and then you totally divert everything and then you totally divert everything and then you totally divert everything into like lizard humans who live on the into like lizard humans who live on the into like lizard humans who live on the moon and that Hillary Clinton is eating moon and that Hillary Clinton is eating moon and that Hillary Clinton is eating babies on camera and qanon did just that babies on camera and qanon did just that babies on camera and qanon did just that that they want you to they want to that they want you to they want to that they want you to they want to convince you that one there's no convince you that one there's no convince you that one there's no conservative deep state which is even conservative deep state which is even conservative deep state which is even more hilarious that Trump isn't more hilarious that Trump isn't more hilarious that Trump isn't connected to a huge Rich corporate connected to a huge Rich corporate connected to a huge Rich corporate apparatus of propagandists and two that apparatus of propagandists and two that apparatus of propagandists and two that the Democratic establishment is the only the Democratic establishment is the only the Democratic establishment is the only deep State and that some middle middle deep State and that some middle middle deep State and that some middle middle of the road conservatives that there's of the road conservatives that there's of the road conservatives that there's no grifters or manipulators outside of no grifters or manipulators outside of no grifters or manipulators outside of of that three-headed snake you know of that three-headed snake you know of that three-headed snake you know there's grifters everywhere everywhere there's grifters everywhere everywhere there's grifters everywhere everywhere everyone wants to make money dude this everyone wants to make money dude this everyone wants to make money dude this is the world that we're in it's in is the world that we're in it's in is the world that we're in it's in collapse everybody wants to make money collapse everybody wants to make money collapse everybody wants to make money and engagement is the rule of law so and engagement is the rule of law so and engagement is the rule of law so anything that's why these news anything that's why these news anything that's why these news organizations follow retention organizations follow retention organizations follow retention incentives they want to make money by incentives they want to make money by incentives they want to make money by selling ads so they try to create fear selling ads so they try to create fear selling ads so they try to create fear and constant division to enrich and constant division to enrich and constant division to enrich corporate media establishment and you corporate media establishment and you corporate media establishment and you have people who are almost realizing hey have people who are almost realizing hey have people who are almost realizing hey it seems like Fox and CNN might be owned it seems like Fox and CNN might be owned it seems like Fox and CNN might be owned by the same people and are tactically by the same people and are tactically by the same people and are tactically using these machines to keep us divided using these machines to keep us divided using these machines to keep us divided perfectly 50/50 to ensure that the power perfectly 50/50 to ensure that the power perfectly 50/50 to ensure that the power structure never gets disrupted and then structure never gets disrupted and then structure never gets disrupted and then you get then you get these people you you get then you get these people you you get then you get these people you know who's going to save us Donald Trump know who's going to save us Donald Trump know who's going to save us Donald Trump that's the guy how is that the guy it's that's the guy how is that the guy it's that's the guy how is that the guy it's not the guy and I don't have TDS I don't not the guy and I don't have TDS I don't not the guy and I don't have TDS I don't I'm not an orange man Basher who thinks I'm not an orange man Basher who thinks I'm not an orange man Basher who thinks about the guy all the time but I don't about the guy all the time but I don't about the guy all the time but I don't think he's the guy

think he's the guy think he's the guy uh you were uh you were uh you were shirtless lifting shirtless lifting shirtless lifting weights while whiskey or some alcohol weights while whiskey or some alcohol weights while whiskey or some alcohol was poured into your mouth by Alex Jones was poured into your mouth by Alex Jones was poured into your mouth by Alex Jones in this movie and then you did the same in this movie and then you did the same in this movie and then you did the same to him that's true mhm it feels like an to him that's true mhm it feels like an to him that's true mhm it feels like an interrogation uh so Alex was uh was a interrogation uh so Alex was uh was a interrogation uh so Alex was uh was a part of this film he was like throughout part of this film he was like throughout part of this film he was like throughout throughout the narrative and you had you throughout the narrative and you had you throughout the narrative and you had you had a great interview with had a great interview with had a great interview with him uh what did you learn about him uh what did you learn about him uh what did you learn about interacting with Alex interacting with Alex interacting with Alex for making this film for one is that for making this film for one is that for making this film for one is that he's the exact same off camera as he is he's the exact same off camera as he is he's the exact same off camera as he is on camera yeah it's not an act he told on camera yeah it's not an act he told on camera yeah it's not an act he told me that all Real Americans die before 58 me that all Real Americans die before 58 me that all Real Americans die before 58 he mentioned Sean connory and a few he mentioned Sean connory and a few he mentioned Sean connory and a few others and uh how old is he getting up others and uh how old is he getting up others and uh how old is he getting up there yeah I think early 50s yeah um I there yeah I think early 50s yeah um I there yeah I think early 50s yeah um I just found it fascinating I mean how how just found it fascinating I mean how how just found it fascinating I mean how how nice his studio is I mean the guy's got nice his studio is I mean the guy's got nice his studio is I mean the guy's got like an MSNBC level setup I actually had like an MSNBC level setup I actually had like an MSNBC level setup I actually had a great time with him you know a great time with him you know a great time with him you know I mean it's bizarre because having him I mean it's bizarre because having him I mean it's bizarre because having him in that movie created so many problems in that movie created so many problems in that movie created so many problems for me and when I interviewed him you for me and when I interviewed him you for me and when I interviewed him you know I didn't necessarily portray him in know I didn't necessarily portray him in know I didn't necessarily portray him in the best light you know we joked around the best light you know we joked around the best light you know we joked around a bit but it wasn't an Alex Jones hit a bit but it wasn't an Alex Jones hit a bit but it wasn't an Alex Jones hit piece necessarily but I like to think piece necessarily but I like to think piece necessarily but I like to think that I was a bit critical of him in the that I was a bit critical of him in the that I was a bit critical of him in the film especially the ways that he film especially the ways that he film especially the ways that he antagonized his supporters to storm the antagonized his supporters to storm the antagonized his supporters to storm the capital or to follow that trajectory um capital or to follow that trajectory um capital or to follow that trajectory um he told me when I met with him he was he told me when I met with him he was he told me when I met with him he was like I know you think that have me in like I know you think that have me in like I know you think that have me in this movie is a good idea but um you're

this movie is a good idea but um you're this movie is a good idea but um you're going to have some serious backlash going to have some serious backlash going to have some serious backlash because of that at the time I was like because of that at the time I was like because of that at the time I was like man it's fine you know it's all good man it's fine you know it's all good man it's fine you know it's all good we're just hanging out drinking whiskey we're just hanging out drinking whiskey we're just hanging out drinking whiskey doing bench presses drinking Jameson doing bench presses drinking Jameson doing bench presses drinking Jameson it's all good it was uh first of all I it's all good it was uh first of all I it's all good it was uh first of all I had to campaign to get him in the film had to campaign to get him in the film had to campaign to get him in the film because the studios were like we don't because the studios were like we don't because the studios were like we don't there was a bizarre time around like I there was a bizarre time around like I there was a bizarre time around like I think it was 2018 where deplatforming think it was 2018 where deplatforming think it was 2018 where deplatforming was the big thing that people were was the big thing that people were was the big thing that people were encouraging it said giving a platform to encouraging it said giving a platform to encouraging it said giving a platform to problematic ideologies in turn expand problematic ideologies in turn expand problematic ideologies in turn expand their reach and so even extending your their reach and so even extending your their reach and so even extending your platform to someone who's problematic is platform to someone who's problematic is platform to someone who's problematic is helping them AKA destroying Humanity helping them AKA destroying Humanity helping them AKA destroying Humanity whatever it was so that was the whole whatever it was so that was the whole whatever it was so that was the whole thing and uh when I did this media thing and uh when I did this media thing and uh when I did this media training that was you know mandated by training that was you know mandated by training that was you know mandated by HBO it was all training and how to HBO it was all training and how to HBO it was all training and how to defend from that exact question they defend from that exact question they defend from that exact question they said when you when we put you on NPR and said when you when we put you on NPR and said when you when we put you on NPR and we put you on we put you on we put you on CNN they're going to ask you about CNN they're going to ask you about CNN they're going to ask you about platforming problematic ideologies and platforming problematic ideologies and platforming problematic ideologies and you're going to have to say stuff like you're going to have to say stuff like you're going to have to say stuff like sunlight is the best disinfectant I sunlight is the best disinfectant I sunlight is the best disinfectant I believe that extremism only goes away believe that extremism only goes away believe that extremism only goes away when you shine a light on it because when you shine a light on it because when you shine a light on it because leaving it in the dark will only allow leaving it in the dark will only allow leaving it in the dark will only allow it to grow they gave me like 15 pointers it to grow they gave me like 15 pointers it to grow they gave me like 15 pointers um I didn't use any of those pointers um I didn't use any of those pointers um I didn't use any of those pointers because I'm not the kind of person who because I'm not the kind of person who because I'm not the kind of person who wants to be media trained like I like to wants to be media trained like I like to wants to be media trained like I like to speak freely but in the promotional Run speak freely but in the promotional Run speak freely but in the promotional Run for the film you know when I went on CNN for the film you know when I went on CNN for the film you know when I went on CNN this was a crazy this was a crazy this was a crazy experience so I went on CN CN and experience so I went on CN CN and experience so I went on CN CN and thankfully my friend was with me and so

thankfully my friend was with me and so thankfully my friend was with me and so I'm on CNN and by the way your friend is I'm on CNN and by the way your friend is I'm on CNN and by the way your friend is chilling in sunglasses laying in the Cod chilling in sunglasses laying in the Cod chilling in sunglasses laying in the Cod right now that's it's like right now that's it's like right now that's it's like the it's a a mix of like the dude from the it's a a mix of like the dude from the it's a a mix of like the dude from Big Labowski and uh uh the Brad Pit role Big Labowski and uh uh the Brad Pit role Big Labowski and uh uh the Brad Pit role in uh True Romance yeah you know that in uh True Romance yeah you know that in uh True Romance yeah you know that reference no but I mean I'm sure it reference no but I mean I'm sure it reference no but I mean I'm sure it describes Larry kind of looks like Brad describes Larry kind of looks like Brad describes Larry kind of looks like Brad Jack carw yeah yeah so so HBO had a Jack carw yeah yeah so so HBO had a Jack carw yeah yeah so so HBO had a pressed tour set up for me and the main pressed tour set up for me and the main pressed tour set up for me and the main ones were CNN and NPR and so they said ones were CNN and NPR and so they said ones were CNN and NPR and so they said we're going to you're going to go on CNN we're going to you're going to go on CNN we're going to you're going to go on CNN on the Don Lemon Morning Show and he's on the Don Lemon Morning Show and he's on the Don Lemon Morning Show and he's going to ask you about your life what going to ask you about your life what going to ask you about your life what led up to the movie what we can expect led up to the movie what we can expect led up to the movie what we can expect so I get in the studio it's about 7 so I get in the studio it's about 7 so I get in the studio it's about 7 o'clock in the morning in New York at a o'clock in the morning in New York at a o'clock in the morning in New York at a show the night before at Time Square so show the night before at Time Square so show the night before at Time Square so I'm like groggy eyed whatever they put I'm like groggy eyed whatever they put I'm like groggy eyed whatever they put the lab on me boom I'm live on CNN the lab on me boom I'm live on CNN the lab on me boom I'm live on CNN Sunday morning and he goes how would you Sunday morning and he goes how would you Sunday morning and he goes how would you describe Enrique taro's mental state in describe Enrique taro's mental state in describe Enrique taro's mental state in the leadup to the capital insurrection the leadup to the capital insurrection the leadup to the capital insurrection and I'm I'm looking around I'm like is and I'm I'm looking around I'm like is and I'm I'm looking around I'm like is this guy serious like am I am I this guy serious like am I am I this guy serious like am I am I sandwiched in the January 6 hit piece sandwiched in the January 6 hit piece sandwiched in the January 6 hit piece right now I thought it was about me yeah right now I thought it was about me yeah right now I thought it was about me yeah and so I told him it's not about Enrique and so I told him it's not about Enrique and so I told him it's not about Enrique toio it's about how companies like Fox toio it's about how companies like Fox toio it's about how companies like Fox MSNBC and even your station CNN use the MSNBC and even your station CNN use the MSNBC and even your station CNN use the 24-hour news cycle to enrage people to 24-hour news cycle to enrage people to 24-hour news cycle to enrage people to generate ad revenue and pit Americans generate ad revenue and pit Americans generate ad revenue and pit Americans against each other during times like against each other during times like against each other during times like that and he said there's nothing fake that and he said there's nothing fake that and he said there's nothing fake about CNN I said I didn't say you were about CNN I said I didn't say you were about CNN I said I didn't say you were fake news I'm not saying you're lying fake news I'm not saying you're lying fake news I'm not saying you're lying but you're directly antagonizing and and but you're directly antagonizing and and but you're directly antagonizing and and stirring people up against half the stirring people up against half the stirring people up against half the country because you need money during to

country because you need money during to country because you need money during to support a dying platform you said that support a dying platform you said that support a dying platform you said that pretty much nice and uh great you know I pretty much nice and uh great you know I pretty much nice and uh great you know I was so my mom was watching it she was was so my mom was watching it she was was so my mom was watching it she was texting me she's like what are you doing texting me she's like what are you doing texting me she's like what are you doing and I was like I don't know and so he and I was like I don't know and so he and I was like I don't know and so he goes why'd you extend a platform to Alex goes why'd you extend a platform to Alex goes why'd you extend a platform to Alex Jones and I go I don't know I just Jones and I go I don't know I just Jones and I go I don't know I just wanted to drink some Jameson and lift wanted to drink some Jameson and lift wanted to drink some Jameson and lift some weights with him you know I'm just some weights with him you know I'm just some weights with him you know I'm just at this point I don't support that kind at this point I don't support that kind at this point I don't support that kind of media I don't support CNN so uh you of media I don't support CNN so uh you of media I don't support CNN so uh you know I just I didn't give them much know I just I didn't give them much know I just I didn't give them much information about Alex but it was very information about Alex but it was very information about Alex but it was very awkward they never posted the segment awkward they never posted the segment awkward they never posted the segment online when I got off of that online when I got off of that online when I got off of that interview uh I had a Handler that a24 interview uh I had a Handler that a24 interview uh I had a Handler that a24 assigned to me so I had someone with me assigned to me so I had someone with me assigned to me so I had someone with me and she you could tell she was flustered and she you could tell she was flustered and she you could tell she was flustered like she was Furious about what I just like she was Furious about what I just like she was Furious about what I just did and so she goes I just got an email did and so she goes I just got an email did and so she goes I just got an email from Time Warner seite and I go what's from Time Warner seite and I go what's from Time Warner seite and I go what's Time Warner seite she says I don't know Time Warner seite she says I don't know Time Warner seite she says I don't know if you know this but the same people who if you know this but the same people who if you know this but the same people who who own the same people who own CNN own who own the same people who own CNN own who own the same people who own CNN own HBO and it's Time Warner HBO and it's Time Warner HBO and it's Time Warner and so they canceled my press tour so my and so they canceled my press tour so my and so they canceled my press tour so my press tour was finished you press tour was finished you press tour was finished you know uh all the late night shows that I know uh all the late night shows that I know uh all the late night shows that I was supposed to go on I was supposed to was supposed to go on I was supposed to was supposed to go on I was supposed to go on like the late night shows and um go on like the late night shows and um go on like the late night shows and um that was off the table cuz they were that was off the table cuz they were that was off the table cuz they were worried that I was like a loose cannon I worried that I was like a loose cannon I worried that I was like a loose cannon I think and then the only remaining uh think and then the only remaining uh think and then the only remaining uh appearance I had left was NPR in Boston appearance I had left was NPR in Boston appearance I had left was NPR in Boston and that was supposed to be a Premiere and that was supposed to be a Premiere and that was supposed to be a Premiere so it wasn't supposed to be an so it wasn't supposed to be an so it wasn't supposed to be an interrogation it wasn't supposed to be interrogation it wasn't supposed to be interrogation it wasn't supposed to be anything like that supposed to be a anything like that supposed to be a anything like that supposed to be a premiere in front of a live audience premiere in front of a live audience premiere in front of a live audience where they watch the film and I show up where they watch the film and I show up where they watch the film and I show up after for a Q&A so I'm like all right after for a Q&A so I'm like all right after for a Q&A so I'm like all right whatever it's kind of weird they only

whatever it's kind of weird they only whatever it's kind of weird they only have this one press opportunity left I have this one press opportunity left I have this one press opportunity left I kind of felt bad that I ruined the kind of felt bad that I ruined the kind of felt bad that I ruined the entire press Tour by confronting Don entire press Tour by confronting Don entire press Tour by confronting Don Lemon but at this point I wanted to just Lemon but at this point I wanted to just Lemon but at this point I wanted to just do this final one especially because it do this final one especially because it do this final one especially because it was a a viewing and I was like cool I was a a viewing and I was like cool I was a a viewing and I was like cool I want to I sat in the audience I watched want to I sat in the audience I watched want to I sat in the audience I watched people laugh to the film it was awesome people laugh to the film it was awesome people laugh to the film it was awesome so I go backstage and there's an NPR so I go backstage and there's an NPR so I go backstage and there's an NPR journalist waiting for me and nothing journalist waiting for me and nothing journalist waiting for me and nothing against people who wear masks but she against people who wear masks but she against people who wear masks but she had two n95s on and I'm not two n95s is had two n95s on and I'm not two n95s is had two n95s on and I'm not two n95s is it's it's over the line so I go hey it's it's over the line so I go hey it's it's over the line so I go hey great to meet you she doesn't shake my great to meet you she doesn't shake my great to meet you she doesn't shake my hand and I go why not and she goes hand and I go why not and she goes hand and I go why not and she goes you've been around some people who I you've been around some people who I you've been around some people who I don't want their germs don't want their germs don't want their germs yeah oh and I'm like okay okay this is yeah oh and I'm like okay okay this is yeah oh and I'm like okay okay this is weird I thought this is a sort of like weird I thought this is a sort of like weird I thought this is a sort of like fun premiere for my movie we sit down fun premiere for my movie we sit down fun premiere for my movie we sit down the first thing she asks me is how do the first thing she asks me is how do the first thing she asks me is how do you think the Sandy Hook families would you think the Sandy Hook families would you think the Sandy Hook families would feel about you platforming one of the feel about you platforming one of the feel about you platforming one of the most despicable Americans in history most despicable Americans in history most despicable Americans in history Alex Jones Alex Jones Alex Jones MH in front of a live audience NPR never MH in front of a live audience NPR never MH in front of a live audience NPR never published this the only recordings of it published this the only recordings of it published this the only recordings of it are by a fan named Rob in Boston who put are by a fan named Rob in Boston who put are by a fan named Rob in Boston who put it on YouTube vertical phone footage and it on YouTube vertical phone footage and it on YouTube vertical phone footage and I literally am like well the Sandy Hook I literally am like well the Sandy Hook I literally am like well the Sandy Hook family's lawyer Mark Bankston who family's lawyer Mark Bankston who family's lawyer Mark Bankston who represented them in court in Connecticut represented them in court in Connecticut represented them in court in Connecticut told me specifically that Leonard Posner told me specifically that Leonard Posner told me specifically that Leonard Posner the father of Noah Posner who died at the father of Noah Posner who died at the father of Noah Posner who died at Sandy Hook was a huge fan of the film Sandy Hook was a huge fan of the film Sandy Hook was a huge fan of the film and so I said that to her and that kind and so I said that to her and that kind and so I said that to her and that kind of just like silenced that conversation of just like silenced that conversation of just like silenced that conversation but the rest of the whole conversation but the rest of the whole conversation but the rest of the whole conversation was just about exploitation and why are

was just about exploitation and why are was just about exploitation and why are you platforming mentally ill people and you platforming mentally ill people and you platforming mentally ill people and giving a platform to conspiracies like giving a platform to conspiracies like giving a platform to conspiracies like qinon don't you feel like you're a part qinon don't you feel like you're a part qinon don't you feel like you're a part of their spread some would call you a of their spread some would call you a of their spread some would call you a misinformation misinformation misinformation reporter all this crazy stuff and yeah reporter all this crazy stuff and yeah reporter all this crazy stuff and yeah next day hit the fan fuck all those next day hit the fan fuck all those next day hit the fan fuck all those people that film just in case you you people that film just in case you you people that film just in case you you don't get a chance to see it and you don't get a chance to see it and you don't get a chance to see it and you should you're critical of Alex Jones in should you're critical of Alex Jones in should you're critical of Alex Jones in in the most in the most in the most most Artful way like it was the correct most Artful way like it was the correct most Artful way like it was the correct way to be critical it it showed him to way to be critical it it showed him to way to be critical it it showed him to uh be more interested uh be more interested uh be more interested in the grift of it uh and you didn't do in the grift of it uh and you didn't do in the grift of it uh and you didn't do it in a like a pointing fingers and like it in a like a pointing fingers and like it in a like a pointing fingers and like saying uh in the kind of NPR way that saying uh in the kind of NPR way that saying uh in the kind of NPR way that you just mentioned it's but more like a you just mentioned it's but more like a you just mentioned it's but more like a human way like this is tragedies happen human way like this is tragedies happen human way like this is tragedies happen all over the world and there's grifters all over the world and there's grifters all over the world and there's grifters that roll in and then take advantage of that roll in and then take advantage of that roll in and then take advantage of in interesting ways and human beings get in interesting ways and human beings get in interesting ways and human beings get swept up on either side of it and it's swept up on either side of it and it's swept up on either side of it and it's revealing the humor the absurdity of it revealing the humor the absurdity of it revealing the humor the absurdity of it all and it was done masterfully it was all and it was done masterfully it was all and it was done masterfully it was done like for people who criticize you done like for people who criticize you done like for people who criticize you for platforming Alex Jones or whatever for platforming Alex Jones or whatever for platforming Alex Jones or whatever yeah the film from a political yeah the film from a political yeah the film from a political perspective is probably leans very much perspective is probably leans very much perspective is probably leans very much left yeah like heavily left but does it left yeah like heavily left but does it left yeah like heavily left but does it without that without that without that exhausting energy of like judging just exhausting energy of like judging just exhausting energy of like judging just this kind of you know yeah two two masks this kind of you know yeah two two masks this kind of you know yeah two two masks kind of judging yeah and it was just kind of judging yeah and it was just kind of judging yeah and it was just uh when all that was happening when I

uh when all that was happening when I uh when all that was happening when I was under Fire from the mainstream press was under Fire from the mainstream press was under Fire from the mainstream press for platforming Alex Jones I thought for platforming Alex Jones I thought for platforming Alex Jones I thought back to what he said to me and doesn't back to what he said to me and doesn't back to what he said to me and doesn't mean I agree with everything he says but mean I agree with everything he says but mean I agree with everything he says but he told me you're going to be in trouble he told me you're going to be in trouble he told me you're going to be in trouble with these people if you uh put me in with these people if you uh put me in with these people if you uh put me in your in your video and you know it your in your video and you know it your in your video and you know it wasn't too bad of trouble but definitely wasn't too bad of trouble but definitely wasn't too bad of trouble but definitely I do think I do think I do think sometimes what the film would have been sometimes what the film would have been sometimes what the film would have been like without him and I think that it was like without him and I think that it was like without him and I think that it was worth it because his scene is so funny worth it because his scene is so funny worth it because his scene is so funny to me and it brings me back to a to me and it brings me back to a to me and it brings me back to a different time in my life and I'm happy different time in my life and I'm happy different time in my life and I'm happy that that scene's out there I think it that that scene's out there I think it that that scene's out there I think it it was it was really well done it show it was it was really well done it show it was it was really well done it show the the layering of it all the the the layering of it all the the the layering of it all the entertainment plus sort of not entertainment plus sort of not entertainment plus sort of not considering from his perspective the considering from his perspective the considering from his perspective the consequences of like rattling people up consequences of like rattling people up consequences of like rattling people up in this way that it's not just I mean in this way that it's not just I mean in this way that it's not just I mean you really highlight this in the you really highlight this in the you really highlight this in the interview like it's he keeps saying it's interview like it's he keeps saying it's interview like it's he keeps saying it's Infowars but then there's always kind of Infowars but then there's always kind of Infowars but then there's always kind of a sense that Infowars can turn to actual a sense that Infowars can turn to actual a sense that Infowars can turn to actual like Civil War and yeah but maybe not like Civil War and yeah but maybe not like Civil War and yeah but maybe not maybe be it's uh all just a circus like maybe be it's uh all just a circus like maybe be it's uh all just a circus like we play for each other if you look at we play for each other if you look at we play for each other if you look at the speech he did on January 5th it was the speech he did on January 5th it was the speech he did on January 5th it was said he said tomorrow you know millions said he said tomorrow you know millions said he said tomorrow you know millions of patriotic Americans will take our of patriotic Americans will take our of patriotic Americans will take our country back yeah so he eggs people on country back yeah so he eggs people on country back yeah so he eggs people on and then when it gets hot he steps and then when it gets hot he steps and then when it gets hot he steps away yeah but like you said the thing he away yeah but like you said the thing he away yeah but like you said the thing he told you he turned out to be right oh told you he turned out to be right oh told you he turned out to be right oh yeah and the frogs are becoming gay yeah and the frogs are becoming gay yeah and the frogs are becoming gay they've always been they've always been they've always been gay well saying frogs are straight is gay well saying frogs are straight is gay well saying frogs are straight is even crazier I've read stories where you even crazier I've read stories where you even crazier I've read stories where you kiss one and becomes a prince and yeah kiss one and becomes a prince and yeah kiss one and becomes a prince and yeah that shit's true that shit's true that shit's true 100% you think Alex believes what he

100% you think Alex believes what he 100% you think Alex believes what he says in terms of the everything he says says in terms of the everything he says says in terms of the everything he says on infow Wars like how much of it is on infow Wars like how much of it is on infow Wars like how much of it is real he's right about like big Tech real he's right about like big Tech real he's right about like big Tech censorship me I think if he's right censorship me I think if he's right censorship me I think if he's right about anything it would probably be the about anything it would probably be the about anything it would probably be the heads of big Tech colluding together heads of big Tech colluding together heads of big Tech colluding together across company lines to deplatform across company lines to deplatform across company lines to deplatform certain people he's right about that uh certain people he's right about that uh certain people he's right about that uh I think most of the things that he says I think most of the things that he says I think most of the things that he says follow the question everything narrative follow the question everything narrative follow the question everything narrative and everything is kind of like a and everything is kind of like a and everything is kind of like a conspiracy or like a plot or a false conspiracy or like a plot or a false conspiracy or like a plot or a false flag I think that he's built up a flag I think that he's built up a flag I think that he's built up a following for so long that wants him to following for so long that wants him to following for so long that wants him to do that you know so I think he'll do that you know so I think he'll do that you know so I think he'll question things that he probably thinks question things that he probably thinks question things that he probably thinks are relatively straightforward because are relatively straightforward because are relatively straightforward because that's the Stick of the show I mean the that's the Stick of the show I mean the that's the Stick of the show I mean the infowar is fighting misinformation and infowar is fighting misinformation and infowar is fighting misinformation and people want to see him be that guy to so people want to see him be that guy to so people want to see him be that guy to so to a certain extent if you're a Creator to a certain extent if you're a Creator to a certain extent if you're a Creator who supports your family you do follow who supports your family you do follow who supports your family you do follow economic incentives and people want you economic incentives and people want you economic incentives and people want you to be the character and so you're going to be the character and so you're going to be the character and so you're going to naturally gravitate toward being it to naturally gravitate toward being it to naturally gravitate toward being it do you feel that pressure yourself I did do you feel that pressure yourself I did do you feel that pressure yourself I did years ago not anymore I feel like now I years ago not anymore I feel like now I years ago not anymore I feel like now I can speak freely and really say what I can speak freely and really say what I can speak freely and really say what I want to say in my new life but when I want to say in my new life but when I want to say in my new life but when I was younger yeah I feel like I had to be was younger yeah I feel like I had to be was younger yeah I feel like I had to be this uh sort of awkward sort of amicable this uh sort of awkward sort of amicable this uh sort of awkward sort of amicable Alo guy who just didn't think anything Alo guy who just didn't think anything Alo guy who just didn't think anything about anything and just was here to about anything and just was here to about anything and just was here to listen but now I feel more confident listen but now I feel more confident listen but now I feel more confident adding some narrative and voice over and adding some narrative and voice over and adding some narrative and voice over and things like that so for some people things like that so for some people things like that so for some people especially who uh publish on YouTube the especially who uh publish on YouTube the especially who uh publish on YouTube the the YouTube algorithm they can become a the YouTube algorithm they can become a the YouTube algorithm they can become a slave to the YouTube algorithm yeah I slave to the YouTube algorithm yeah I slave to the YouTube algorithm yeah I mean for sure cuz and I I definitely mean for sure cuz and I I definitely mean for sure cuz and I I definitely feel that sometimes I know what works feel that sometimes I know what works feel that sometimes I know what works for me but I I like to think that my

for me but I I like to think that my for me but I I like to think that my audience appreciates when I try new audience appreciates when I try new audience appreciates when I try new things so I'm not totally enslaved to it things so I'm not totally enslaved to it things so I'm not totally enslaved to it I mean yeah I try not to pay attention I mean yeah I try not to pay attention I mean yeah I try not to pay attention to views or any of that well you you get to views or any of that well you you get to views or any of that well you you get some high views so I'll report that for some high views so I'll report that for some high views so I'll report that for you no I I so I wrote a Chrome extension you no I I so I wrote a Chrome extension you no I I so I wrote a Chrome extension that hides all the views on anything I that hides all the views on anything I that hides all the views on anything I create so you took it to that level yeah create so you took it to that level yeah create so you took it to that level yeah just cuz it's a drug man and I'm also a just cuz it's a drug man and I'm also a just cuz it's a drug man and I'm also a number guy meaning like you give me like number guy meaning like you give me like number guy meaning like you give me like if I do 30 push-ups today tomorrow I'm if I do 30 push-ups today tomorrow I'm if I do 30 push-ups today tomorrow I'm GNA try to do 35 just like enjoying GNA try to do 35 just like enjoying GNA try to do 35 just like enjoying number go up like that's why I like number go up like that's why I like number go up like that's why I like video games like uh RPG is like where video games like uh RPG is like where video games like uh RPG is like where you're like improving you're skill tree you're like improving you're skill tree you're like improving you're skill tree you're like getting an extra point and you're like getting an extra point and you're like getting an extra point and and there's some aspect of YouTube and and there's some aspect of YouTube and and there's some aspect of YouTube and other platforms anything any other other platforms anything any other other platforms anything any other platform you're like oo I got more today platform you're like oo I got more today platform you're like oo I got more today than got yesterday that's really really than got yesterday that's really really than got yesterday that's really really dangerous to me because it can influence dangerous to me because it can influence dangerous to me because it can influence how much I enjoy a thing how much I enjoy a thing how much I enjoy a thing H like if nobody gives a shit about it H like if nobody gives a shit about it H like if nobody gives a shit about it based on the based on the based on the numbers you're like oh maybe that wasn't numbers you're like oh maybe that wasn't numbers you're like oh maybe that wasn't such a great experience I thought it was such a great experience I thought it was such a great experience I thought it was a great experience but maybe it wasn't a great experience but maybe it wasn't a great experience but maybe it wasn't yeah honestly I do actually feel that yeah honestly I do actually feel that yeah honestly I do actually feel that way sometimes like I'll put out way sometimes like I'll put out way sometimes like I'll put out something that I care about a lot but if something that I care about a lot but if something that I care about a lot but if the if it doesn't get as many views I'm the if it doesn't get as many views I'm the if it doesn't get as many views I'm like all right it must have not been as like all right it must have not been as like all right it must have not been as as good as my higher view videos or as good as my higher view videos or as good as my higher view videos or whatever yeah that's that's just like whatever yeah that's that's just like whatever yeah that's that's just like not true though yeah and it might mean not true though yeah and it might mean not true though yeah and it might mean like on YouTube that your thumbnail like on YouTube that your thumbnail like on YouTube that your thumbnail sucked or something like this or sucked or something like this or sucked or something like this or whatever whatever however the algorithm whatever whatever however the algorithm whatever whatever however the algorithm works but I mean that's the the thing works but I mean that's the the thing works but I mean that's the the thing I'm battling against to make sure I

I'm battling against to make sure I I'm battling against to make sure I ignore all of that right it's actually ignore all of that right it's actually ignore all of that right it's actually something Joe Rogan has been extremely something Joe Rogan has been extremely something Joe Rogan has been extremely good at he gives zero shits yeah and I good at he gives zero shits yeah and I good at he gives zero shits yeah and I think it's it's easier to do when you're think it's it's easier to do when you're think it's it's easier to do when you're really successful well he was doing that really successful well he was doing that really successful well he was doing that when he wasn't successful really but when he wasn't successful really but when he wasn't successful really but anything he just follows like the stuff anything he just follows like the stuff anything he just follows like the stuff he enjoys doing and legitimately enjoys he enjoys doing and legitimately enjoys he enjoys doing and legitimately enjoys it he happens to be really good at it it he happens to be really good at it it he happens to be really good at it but he gets good because he's doing the but he gets good because he's doing the but he gets good because he's doing the things he really enjoys and like fullon things he really enjoys and like fullon things he really enjoys and like fullon yeah passionate about and that's why yeah passionate about and that's why yeah passionate about and that's why he'll have like ridiculous guests and he'll have like ridiculous guests and he'll have like ridiculous guests and just and just like just shit he enjoys just and just like just shit he enjoys just and just like just shit he enjoys doing yeah it's pretty cool maybe I'll doing yeah it's pretty cool maybe I'll doing yeah it's pretty cool maybe I'll one day try to do that for now I'm too one day try to do that for now I'm too one day try to do that for now I'm too attached to like the gratification of attached to like the gratification of attached to like the gratification of getting a million views in a day and getting a million views in a day and getting a million views in a day and stuff like that I'm I'm not going to lie stuff like that I'm I'm not going to lie stuff like that I'm I'm not going to lie to you and say that I've beat that or to you and say that I've beat that or to you and say that I've beat that or something like well it's a worthy enemy something like well it's a worthy enemy something like well it's a worthy enemy to be fighting cuz it's a drug and it's to be fighting cuz it's a drug and it's to be fighting cuz it's a drug and it's one that should be um resisted for a one that should be um resisted for a one that should be um resisted for a creator cuz I feel like it can do creator cuz I feel like it can do creator cuz I feel like it can do negative stuff to your mind as a Creator negative stuff to your mind as a Creator negative stuff to your mind as a Creator oh yeah for sure anybody that controls oh yeah for sure anybody that controls oh yeah for sure anybody that controls you MH is is not good A lot of people you MH is is not good A lot of people you MH is is not good A lot of people are controlled by Their audience they are controlled by Their audience they are controlled by Their audience they don't have to have a puppet master on a don't have to have a puppet master on a don't have to have a puppet master on a corporate level audience incentive is a corporate level audience incentive is a corporate level audience incentive is a a different type of uh I don't want to a different type of uh I don't want to a different type of uh I don't want to say slavery but yeah it is and that's say slavery but yeah it is and that's say slavery but yeah it is and that's why variety is good and you're doing why variety is good and you're doing why variety is good and you're doing that yeah always expanding uh well let that yeah always expanding uh well let that yeah always expanding uh well let me just zoom out on this you made a film me just zoom out on this you made a film me just zoom out on this you made a film yeah that's pretty cool yeah it was a yeah that's pretty cool yeah it was a yeah that's pretty cool yeah it was a great experience man I mean it was great experience man I mean it was great experience man I mean it was awesome working with Tim and Eric awesome working with Tim and Eric awesome working with Tim and Eric awesome working with Jonah Hill I feel awesome working with Jonah Hill I feel awesome working with Jonah Hill I feel the same about HBO and a24 everybody the same about HBO and a24 everybody the same about HBO and a24 everybody that I worked on the film with I have a that I worked on the film with I have a that I worked on the film with I have a lot of love for and uh I appreciate the

lot of love for and uh I appreciate the lot of love for and uh I appreciate the experience it's my first movie it's a experience it's my first movie it's a experience it's my first movie it's a big deal like it a good one in my head big deal like it a good one in my head big deal like it a good one in my head it's like that I finally got to make the it's like that I finally got to make the it's like that I finally got to make the transition from a YouTuber to a transition from a YouTuber to a transition from a YouTuber to a filmmaker and that was always this filmmaker and that was always this filmmaker and that was always this psychic barrier that I felt like I had psychic barrier that I felt like I had psychic barrier that I felt like I had to jump over you know there's a I mean to jump over you know there's a I mean to jump over you know there's a I mean just the way it's shot the humor that just the way it's shot the humor that just the way it's shot the humor that goes throughout it goes throughout it goes throughout it just the the narration that you're doing just the the narration that you're doing just the the narration that you're doing in like a shitty director's chair in like a shitty director's chair in like a shitty director's chair M um that's really well done whose idea M um that's really well done whose idea M um that's really well done whose idea was that uh it was actually Tim and was that uh it was actually Tim and was that uh it was actually Tim and Eric's idea there was a really great Eric's idea there was a really great Eric's idea there was a really great editor named clay who works for editor named clay who works for editor named clay who works for absolutely and they did all the editing absolutely and they did all the editing absolutely and they did all the editing pretty much in the office and so it was pretty much in the office and so it was pretty much in the office and so it was Clay's idea to add a retrospective Clay's idea to add a retrospective Clay's idea to add a retrospective director's chair narrative Arc to the director's chair narrative Arc to the director's chair narrative Arc to the whole film yeah just like starting with whole film yeah just like starting with whole film yeah just like starting with the Absurd fight and then going like oh the Absurd fight and then going like oh the Absurd fight and then going like oh that that's a good way to start a movie that that's a good way to start a movie that that's a good way to start a movie just really really well done thanks man just really really well done thanks man just really really well done thanks man uh what about Jonah Hill like great guy uh what about Jonah Hill like great guy uh what about Jonah Hill like great guy he believed in this he did so was that he believed in this he did so was that he believed in this he did so was that what's that like what do you think is what's that like what do you think is what's that like what do you think is behind him believing in such a wild behind him believing in such a wild behind him believing in such a wild project I think that Jonah Hill has a project I think that Jonah Hill has a project I think that Jonah Hill has a good eye for like what's cool amongst good eye for like what's cool amongst good eye for like what's cool amongst the younger folks like he's into the younger folks like he's into the younger folks like he's into skateboarding stuff that's why he did skateboarding stuff that's why he did skateboarding stuff that's why he did that film mid 90s and I think he that film mid 90s and I think he that film mid 90s and I think he probably saw a similar thing in what was probably saw a similar thing in what was probably saw a similar thing in what was going on with the all gas no breaks and going on with the all gas no breaks and going on with the all gas no breaks and was like shit this this could be this was like shit this this could be this was like shit this this could be this could be big and so not only did he could be big and so not only did he could be big and so not only did he actually fund the film he also gave me actually fund the film he also gave me actually fund the film he also gave me his agent and I forgot to mention that his agent and I forgot to mention that his agent and I forgot to mention that it was Jonah Hill's lawyers that he gave it was Jonah Hill's lawyers that he gave it was Jonah Hill's lawyers that he gave me for free that got me out of my me for free that got me out of my me for free that got me out of my contract eventually with doing things contract eventually with doing things contract eventually with doing things Media or freed me up to speak about what Media or freed me up to speak about what Media or freed me up to speak about what happened so he was also part of you kind

happened so he was also part of you kind happened so he was also part of you kind of gaining your freedom yeah in a weird of gaining your freedom yeah in a weird of gaining your freedom yeah in a weird way like even though him and I don't way like even though him and I don't way like even though him and I don't talk that much just because he's doing talk that much just because he's doing talk that much just because he's doing his own thing Jonah Hill is like a huge his own thing Jonah Hill is like a huge his own thing Jonah Hill is like a huge factor in my current success and just factor in my current success and just factor in my current success and just like everything that I've been able to like everything that I've been able to like everything that I've been able to accomplish just on your own politics is accomplish just on your own politics is accomplish just on your own politics is it fair to say that you're uh politics it fair to say that you're uh politics it fair to say that you're uh politics leans left I'm not really sure sometimes leans left I'm not really sure sometimes leans left I'm not really sure sometimes you know I like to think that I am you know I like to think that I am you know I like to think that I am socially left like I think people should socially left like I think people should socially left like I think people should be able to dress and act like however be able to dress and act like however be able to dress and act like however they want I don't believe in restricting they want I don't believe in restricting they want I don't believe in restricting people's social people's social people's social freedoms um economics wise it doesn't freedoms um economics wise it doesn't freedoms um economics wise it doesn't seem like leftist Economic Policy works seem like leftist Economic Policy works seem like leftist Economic Policy works very well on a city city funding level very well on a city city funding level very well on a city city funding level like if you see what's going on in like if you see what's going on in like if you see what's going on in California it seems like the uh the city California it seems like the uh the city California it seems like the uh the city leadership is mishandling the funds and leadership is mishandling the funds and leadership is mishandling the funds and California too so I don't know about California too so I don't know about California too so I don't know about that but I don't know I don't really see that but I don't know I don't really see that but I don't know I don't really see myself as left or right I just never myself as left or right I just never myself as left or right I just never have well if you just like objectively have well if you just like objectively have well if you just like objectively zoom out and don't have an insane zoom out and don't have an insane zoom out and don't have an insane standard of the extremes it feels like a standard of the extremes it feels like a standard of the extremes it feels like a lot of your work leans left I tend to lot of your work leans left I tend to lot of your work leans left I tend to lead toward lean toward like the lead toward lean toward like the lead toward lean toward like the empathetic perspective which I do think empathetic perspective which I do think empathetic perspective which I do think is more on the left and the is more on the left and the is more on the left and the right but I also I'm not into like super right but I also I'm not into like super right but I also I'm not into like super like PC like PC like PC stuff you know I don't believe in stuff you know I don't believe in stuff you know I don't believe in limiting Free Speech either I don't limiting Free Speech either I don't limiting Free Speech either I don't believe that I believe in a free believe that I believe in a free believe that I believe in a free internet which I think is more embraced internet which I think is more embraced internet which I think is more embraced Now by Now by Now by conservatives it but it does seem that

conservatives it but it does seem that conservatives it but it does seem that maybe you can correct me but I get the maybe you can correct me but I get the maybe you can correct me but I get the sense sometimes that the left attack sense sometimes that the left attack sense sometimes that the left attack their own very intensely it does happen their own very intensely it does happen their own very intensely it does happen but every Community has terms of Exile I but every Community has terms of Exile I but every Community has terms of Exile I mean look imagine think about what mean look imagine think about what mean look imagine think about what happens in the conservative realm you happens in the conservative realm you happens in the conservative realm you know like when Black Rifle Coffee know like when Black Rifle Coffee know like when Black Rifle Coffee Company like denounced Kyle Rittenhouse Company like denounced Kyle Rittenhouse Company like denounced Kyle Rittenhouse they lost a lot of money too like it's they lost a lot of money too like it's they lost a lot of money too like it's not the right attacks its own too I mean not the right attacks its own too I mean not the right attacks its own too I mean think about Bud Light and stuff like think about Bud Light and stuff like think about Bud Light and stuff like they terms of Exile I mean you know like they terms of Exile I mean you know like they terms of Exile I mean you know like every Community every Community every Community has terms of Exile you just got to know has terms of Exile you just got to know has terms of Exile you just got to know who you're engaging with and you got to who you're engaging with and you got to who you're engaging with and you got to make that decision carefully it'd be make that decision carefully it'd be make that decision carefully it'd be nice if there's an actual write up of nice if there's an actual write up of nice if there's an actual write up of the things you're not allowed to say for the things you're not allowed to say for the things you're not allowed to say for each thing and then yeah I wonder whose each thing and then yeah I wonder whose each thing and then yeah I wonder whose list would be longer it just does feel list would be longer it just does feel list would be longer it just does feel like the left's list is a little longer like the left's list is a little longer like the left's list is a little longer if you're a conservative and you have a if you're a conservative and you have a if you're a conservative and you have a t-shirt with like a demon on it like say t-shirt with like a demon on it like say t-shirt with like a demon on it like say goodbye you know what I mean you know goodbye you know what I mean you know goodbye you know what I mean you know there's certain stuff that they freak there's certain stuff that they freak there's certain stuff that they freak the hell out the hell out the hell out about um and conservatives are really about um and conservatives are really about um and conservatives are really concerned about pedophiles yeah I mean I concerned about pedophiles yeah I mean I concerned about pedophiles yeah I mean I don't like pedophiles either but I don't don't like pedophiles either but I don't don't like pedophiles either but I don't think about it all the time was one of think about it all the time was one of think about it all the time was one of the things you do in the film is kind of the things you do in the film is kind of the things you do in the film is kind of confront one of the qanon folks where confront one of the qanon folks where confront one of the qanon folks where his concern is that everybody's a his concern is that everybody's a his concern is that everybody's a pedophile and you showed to him well pedophile and you showed to him well pedophile and you showed to him well calls himself a pedophile Hunter and calls himself a pedophile Hunter and calls himself a pedophile Hunter and makes videos exposing Democratic Elite makes videos exposing Democratic Elite makes videos exposing Democratic Elite pedophile cabals and is himself a pedophile cabals and is himself a pedophile cabals and is himself a convicted child molester there's an old convicted child molester there's an old convicted child molester there's an old thing that people say that every uh thing that people say that every uh thing that people say that every uh confession every accusation is a is a confession every accusation is a is a confession every accusation is a is a confession to a certain extent so like confession to a certain extent so like confession to a certain extent so like it's it's bizarre that some people's

it's it's bizarre that some people's it's it's bizarre that some people's whole life after a big mistake will whole life after a big mistake will whole life after a big mistake will revolve around trying to see him like revolve around trying to see him like revolve around trying to see him like the good guy instead of taking the good guy instead of taking the good guy instead of taking accountability for themselves yeah it's accountability for themselves yeah it's accountability for themselves yeah it's a common thing you see all the time like a common thing you see all the time like a common thing you see all the time like neighborhood watch people you know what neighborhood watch people you know what neighborhood watch people you know what I mean like what made you that you know I mean like what made you that you know I mean like what made you that you know like what did you do bro that you feel like what did you do bro that you feel like what did you do bro that you feel like you have to get karmic retribution like you have to get karmic retribution like you have to get karmic retribution by doing the reverse I don't get it yeah by doing the reverse I don't get it yeah by doing the reverse I don't get it yeah do you think uh to the degree you have do you think uh to the degree you have do you think uh to the degree you have bias that affects your journalism no but bias that affects your journalism no but bias that affects your journalism no but I mean with the migrant I mean with the migrant I mean with the migrant situation I don't know what was that situation I don't know what was that situation I don't know what was that covering that like I just got a lot a covering that like I just got a lot a covering that like I just got a lot a lot of hate from conservatives for like lot of hate from conservatives for like lot of hate from conservatives for like letting the migrants tell their stories letting the migrants tell their stories letting the migrants tell their stories about their journey and about their journey and about their journey and stuff what what did you learn from just stuff what what did you learn from just stuff what what did you learn from just going to the Border I mean just the going to the Border I mean just the going to the Border I mean just the sheer desperation that the the PE the sheer desperation that the the PE the sheer desperation that the the PE the citizens of the world are in I mean citizens of the world are in I mean citizens of the world are in I mean there's people who truly believe that there's people who truly believe that there's people who truly believe that America is the only hope for their America is the only hope for their America is the only hope for their success and to feed their family and I success and to feed their family and I success and to feed their family and I think a lot of them are kind of getting think a lot of them are kind of getting think a lot of them are kind of getting catfished meaning America has its catfished meaning America has its catfished meaning America has its problems too it has severe problems problems too it has severe problems problems too it has severe problems there's extreme poverty here but there there's extreme poverty here but there there's extreme poverty here but there in America like if you just compare to in America like if you just compare to in America like if you just compare to other nations the level of corruption is other nations the level of corruption is other nations the level of corruption is much lower to where the much lower to where the much lower to where the opportunity for a person to succeed to opportunity for a person to succeed to opportunity for a person to succeed to rise is is higher I wish success on rise is is higher I wish success on rise is is higher I wish success on everybody who comes here but my thing is everybody who comes here but my thing is everybody who comes here but my thing is the expectation that they have and the the expectation that they have and the the expectation that they have and the sort of American Dream propaganda sort of American Dream propaganda sort of American Dream propaganda they've been installed with isn't they've been installed with isn't they've been installed with isn't necessarily reflection of Contemporary necessarily reflection of Contemporary necessarily reflection of Contemporary American reality so I'm talking to American reality so I'm talking to American reality so I'm talking to people who speak no English and say I'm people who speak no English and say I'm people who speak no English and say I'm here for a better life I go where are here for a better life I go where are here for a better life I go where are you going to go they say I have no idea

you going to go they say I have no idea you going to go they say I have no idea and I'm like man that's tough and you and I'm like man that's tough and you and I'm like man that's tough and you you almost think how bad are things you almost think how bad are things you almost think how bad are things Elsewhere for someone to abandon their Elsewhere for someone to abandon their Elsewhere for someone to abandon their family make this journey across multiple family make this journey across multiple family make this journey across multiple continents and end up here with no plan continents and end up here with no plan continents and end up here with no plan and it just made me realize and it just made me realize and it just made me realize how sheltered I am to a certain extent how sheltered I am to a certain extent how sheltered I am to a certain extent as an American and going walking back as an American and going walking back as an American and going walking back what I said a little bit because I was what I said a little bit because I was what I said a little bit because I was just trying to make a point yeah but just trying to make a point yeah but just trying to make a point yeah but what what I think of as bad poverty like what what I think of as bad poverty like what what I think of as bad poverty like let's say West Baltimore or ninth War let's say West Baltimore or ninth War let's say West Baltimore or ninth War New Orleans is nothing compared to New Orleans is nothing compared to New Orleans is nothing compared to what's going on in almost half of the what's going on in almost half of the what's going on in almost half of the world if not more and so it just made me world if not more and so it just made me world if not more and so it just made me zoom out a little bit and sometimes you zoom out a little bit and sometimes you zoom out a little bit and sometimes you forget about third world poverty when forget about third world poverty when forget about third world poverty when you live here for so long and you get you live here for so long and you get you live here for so long and you get programmed to believe the worst things programmed to believe the worst things programmed to believe the worst things that are out there is like Kensington that are out there is like Kensington that are out there is like Kensington Philadelphia or tenderland San Francisco Philadelphia or tenderland San Francisco Philadelphia or tenderland San Francisco but those are just microcosms of more or but those are just microcosms of more or but those are just microcosms of more or less functioning cities despite what less functioning cities despite what less functioning cities despite what they might lead you to believe they might lead you to believe they might lead you to believe Philadelphia is a great place so is San Philadelphia is a great place so is San Philadelphia is a great place so is San Francisco but there's places where Francisco but there's places where Francisco but there's places where everywhere is really run everywhere is really run everywhere is really run down yeah and like people focus on uh in down yeah and like people focus on uh in down yeah and like people focus on uh in major cities in the United States like major cities in the United States like major cities in the United States like homelessness somehow that's a sign of a homelessness somehow that's a sign of a homelessness somehow that's a sign of a fallen Empire right but you know that fallen Empire right but you know that fallen Empire right but you know that that's a problem there's definitely uh that's a problem there's definitely uh that's a problem there's definitely uh it reveals some uh mismanagement of it reveals some uh mismanagement of it reveals some uh mismanagement of cities and government I mean cities and government I mean cities and government I mean homelessness in Seattle and San homelessness in Seattle and San homelessness in Seattle and San Francisco is for sure a result of the Francisco is for sure a result of the Francisco is for sure a result of the housing crisis especially postco and all housing crisis especially postco and all housing crisis especially postco and all the gentrification that preceded it you the gentrification that preceded it you the gentrification that preceded it you know and it's unfortunate now to that know and it's unfortunate now to that know and it's unfortunate now to that the conservative media is saying like

the conservative media is saying like the conservative media is saying like look at Biden's America as if Biden look at Biden's America as if Biden look at Biden's America as if Biden created homeless people and it's just created homeless people and it's just created homeless people and it's just disappointing because once again you're disappointing because once again you're disappointing because once again you're seeing the media use real issues that seeing the media use real issues that seeing the media use real issues that should in every US citizen should in every US citizen should in every US citizen and causing people to point fingers at a and causing people to point fingers at a and causing people to point fingers at a different political party as responsible different political party as responsible different political party as responsible for the suffering of others do you think for the suffering of others do you think for the suffering of others do you think January 6th can happen again January 6th can happen again January 6th can happen again no I don't think so it's all the lessons no I don't think so it's all the lessons no I don't think so it's all the lessons were learned yeah for sure I mean people were learned yeah for sure I mean people were learned yeah for sure I mean people got really screwed over I mean don't you got really screwed over I mean don't you got really screwed over I mean don't you have a sense that there's a greater and have a sense that there's a greater and have a sense that there's a greater and greater growing questioning of um the greater growing questioning of um the greater growing questioning of um the electoral process and all this kind of electoral process and all this kind of electoral process and all this kind of stuff I think that Americans overall are stuff I think that Americans overall are stuff I think that Americans overall are very comfortable with our standard of very comfortable with our standard of very comfortable with our standard of living I think people like going to living I think people like going to living I think people like going to Sonic and waiting in their car and Sonic and waiting in their car and Sonic and waiting in their car and getting milkshakes and people like going getting milkshakes and people like going getting milkshakes and people like going to the AMC Theaters and they like going to the AMC Theaters and they like going to the AMC Theaters and they like going ice skating and mini golfing and going ice skating and mini golfing and going ice skating and mini golfing and going to the bar after work I don't think that to the bar after work I don't think that to the bar after work I don't think that anyone wants a collapse of the basic anyone wants a collapse of the basic anyone wants a collapse of the basic structure of the country even the most structure of the country even the most structure of the country even the most politically divided don't want to see politically divided don't want to see politically divided don't want to see 7-Eleven go away we are so comfortable 7-Eleven go away we are so comfortable 7-Eleven go away we are so comfortable if you look at other countries even if you look at other countries even if you look at other countries even Europe look at how they protest and look Europe look at how they protest and look Europe look at how they protest and look at the Arab Spring those guys were at the Arab Spring those guys were at the Arab Spring those guys were talking like January 6ers and they talking like January 6ers and they talking like January 6ers and they actually took control of the government actually took control of the government actually took control of the government yeah you know and so think about even if yeah you know and so think about even if yeah you know and so think about even if the Maga crowd took over the capital the Maga crowd took over the capital the Maga crowd took over the capital building it's just a building it's just a building it's just a building I I don't know I just think building I I don't know I just think building I I don't know I just think that Americans when when they talk about that Americans when when they talk about that Americans when when they talk about Civil War stuff it's just so we're so Civil War stuff it's just so we're so Civil War stuff it's just so we're so far from that even if the rhetoric is as

far from that even if the rhetoric is as far from that even if the rhetoric is as divided as it was in 2020 it won't divided as it was in 2020 it won't divided as it was in 2020 it won't happen happen happen again for it to really happen it has to again for it to really happen it has to again for it to really happen it has to be um there has to be a level of be um there has to be a level of be um there has to be a level of desperation there has to be a level of desperation there has to be a level of desperation there has to be a level of economic Des operation that's causing economic Des operation that's causing economic Des operation that's causing people to starve or some basic uh people to starve or some basic uh people to starve or some basic uh resource going away water something like resource going away water something like resource going away water something like that who do you think wins Trump or that who do you think wins Trump or that who do you think wins Trump or Biden in the Civil War well we know the Biden in the Civil War well we know the Biden in the Civil War well we know the guns in in a the game of Mario Kart no guns in in a the game of Mario Kart no guns in in a the game of Mario Kart no in the uh election 2024 oh man I have no in the uh election 2024 oh man I have no in the uh election 2024 oh man I have no idea man I don't even know if I'm going idea man I don't even know if I'm going idea man I don't even know if I'm going to vote it's weird that this is our to vote it's weird that this is our to vote it's weird that this is our choice I know I wish people were more choice I know I wish people were more choice I know I wish people were more more focused on like City politics like more focused on like City politics like more focused on like City politics like I'd rather vote like yes or no for a I'd rather vote like yes or no for a I'd rather vote like yes or no for a bike lane in my neighborhood than I bike lane in my neighborhood than I bike lane in my neighborhood than I would for the president so local would for the president so local would for the president so local politics to you is where it is feel it politics to you is where it is feel it politics to you is where it is feel it oh I mean you can your vote actually oh I mean you can your vote actually oh I mean you can your vote actually matter you let's say you have a matter you let's say you have a matter you let's say you have a community of 500 people and you live in community of 500 people and you live in community of 500 people and you live in Henderson Nevada you can influence Henderson Nevada you can influence Henderson Nevada you can influence whether or not there's a bike lane or if whether or not there's a bike lane or if whether or not there's a bike lane or if this is going to be a playground or you this is going to be a playground or you this is going to be a playground or you know an amm you get to choose and you know an amm you get to choose and you know an amm you get to choose and you can influence a 100 people to choose and can influence a 100 people to choose and can influence a 100 people to choose and boom this is your community you can't boom this is your community you can't boom this is your community you can't influence the result of an election influence the result of an election influence the result of an election still that those at the presidential still that those at the presidential still that those at the presidential level it sets the toll of the level it sets the toll of the level it sets the toll of the country and uh so Trump running again country and uh so Trump running again country and uh so Trump running again and Biden running again it just feels and Biden running again it just feels and Biden running again it just feels like there's going to be a lot of like there's going to be a lot of like there's going to be a lot of questioning of election results I just questioning of election results I just questioning of election results I just can't believe those are our guys yeah I can't believe those are our guys yeah I can't believe those are our guys yeah I mean what is that's really our mean what is that's really our mean what is that's really our guys like that's where we're at all guys like that's where we're at all guys like that's where we're at all these smart people we have in this these smart people we have in this these smart people we have in this country the great

country the great country the great history we got Joker gang versus gum history we got Joker gang versus gum history we got Joker gang versus gum gang mhm where'd you find Joker gang mhm where'd you find Joker gang mhm where'd you find Joker gang well is he a jug or is he just no gang well is he a jug or is he just no gang well is he a jug or is he just no no no no joker gang is like a Miami no no no joker gang is like a Miami no no no joker gang is like a Miami Cuban guy oh is Joker 305 rawest Chico Cuban guy oh is Joker 305 rawest Chico Cuban guy oh is Joker 305 rawest Chico alive so me and I have been following alive so me and I have been following alive so me and I have been following him for a long time on Instagram because him for a long time on Instagram because him for a long time on Instagram because he used to like uh post videos of he used to like uh post videos of he used to like uh post videos of himself like popping perco setes and himself like popping perco setes and himself like popping perco setes and smoking blunts on the toilet freestyling smoking blunts on the toilet freestyling smoking blunts on the toilet freestyling and so I had follow him for a while and and so I had follow him for a while and and so I had follow him for a while and then I finally got this platform and I then I finally got this platform and I then I finally got this platform and I said oh my God I bet you now that we said oh my God I bet you now that we said oh my God I bet you now that we have a million followers Joker gang will have a million followers Joker gang will have a million followers Joker gang will sit down with us and lo and behold the sit down with us and lo and behold the sit down with us and lo and behold the clout did its thing and there I was face clout did its thing and there I was face clout did its thing and there I was face to face with the man there was a to face with the man there was a to face with the man there was a controversy a year ago where a woman controversy a year ago where a woman controversy a year ago where a woman came forward and said that you were came forward and said that you were came forward and said that you were pushy with her you respected the know pushy with her you respected the know pushy with her you respected the know you got the consent but you were pushy you got the consent but you were pushy you got the consent but you were pushy about it looking back can you tell the about it looking back can you tell the about it looking back can you tell the story of that what are the lessons you story of that what are the lessons you story of that what are the lessons you learned from it yeah I mean I've yet to learned from it yeah I mean I've yet to learned from it yeah I mean I've yet to speak on this for a lot of reasons speak on this for a lot of reasons speak on this for a lot of reasons mostly because it's just a it was a hard mostly because it's just a it was a hard mostly because it's just a it was a hard time and it's a sensitive subject and time and it's a sensitive subject and time and it's a sensitive subject and I've wanted to prioritize the reporting I've wanted to prioritize the reporting I've wanted to prioritize the reporting but I think that now I'm uh ready and but I think that now I'm uh ready and but I think that now I'm uh ready and able to do so everything sort of started able to do so everything sort of started able to do so everything sort of started on um December 30th 2022 and that was on um December 30th 2022 and that was on um December 30th 2022 and that was the release date of the HBO project like the release date of the HBO project like the release date of the HBO project like I told you we didn't know when the movie I told you we didn't know when the movie I told you we didn't know when the movie was going to come out we weren't told was going to come out we weren't told was going to come out we weren't told that it was going to come out on that that it was going to come out on that that it was going to come out on that date until early November and so it was date until early November and so it was date until early November and so it was like oh my God here we go we had a movie like oh my God here we go we had a movie like oh my God here we go we had a movie coming out HBO had I didn't even know it coming out HBO had I didn't even know it coming out HBO had I didn't even know it was going to be them so every day for

was going to be them so every day for was going to be them so every day for those 50 days to where I received word those 50 days to where I received word those 50 days to where I received word and the movie announcement or to the and the movie announcement or to the and the movie announcement or to the movie release was like I was like a kid movie release was like I was like a kid movie release was like I was like a kid waiting for Christmas morning you know waiting for Christmas morning you know waiting for Christmas morning you know what I mean it was like every day I just what I mean it was like every day I just what I mean it was like every day I just I saw the movie release date as the I saw the movie release date as the I saw the movie release date as the first day of like the rest of my life first day of like the rest of my life first day of like the rest of my life and so I and so I and so I remember the week of the movie release remember the week of the movie release remember the week of the movie release it was like every day it was like oh my it was like every day it was like oh my it was like every day it was like oh my God six days 5 days four days and when God six days 5 days four days and when God six days 5 days four days and when it became two days like I was so excited it became two days like I was so excited it became two days like I was so excited and so like honestly anxiety riddled and so like honestly anxiety riddled and so like honestly anxiety riddled because it was such a massive platform because it was such a massive platform because it was such a massive platform that I went out to the desert by myself that I went out to the desert by myself that I went out to the desert by myself out in the Mojave got a hotel and just out in the Mojave got a hotel and just out in the Mojave got a hotel and just kind of sat there and then movie release kind of sat there and then movie release kind of sat there and then movie release day comes it was supposed to come out at day comes it was supposed to come out at day comes it was supposed to come out at um 8:00 p.m. Pacific Standard time I um 8:00 p.m. Pacific Standard time I um 8:00 p.m. Pacific Standard time I remember it was like 12 hours left 10 remember it was like 12 hours left 10 remember it was like 12 hours left 10 hours left and then 8 minutes before the hours left and then 8 minutes before the hours left and then 8 minutes before the movie at movie at movie at 7:52 or I guess it was sent at 10:52 7:52 or I guess it was sent at 10:52 7:52 or I guess it was sent at 10:52 East Coast time I got a text message uh East Coast time I got a text message uh East Coast time I got a text message uh requesting a portion of my fat HBO check requesting a portion of my fat HBO check requesting a portion of my fat HBO check to contribute toward apparently years of to contribute toward apparently years of to contribute toward apparently years of therapy bills that this person had a therapy bills that this person had a therapy bills that this person had a crude after she says that she felt that crude after she says that she felt that crude after she says that she felt that I pressured her into giving consent I pressured her into giving consent I pressured her into giving consent years prior and I was confused not not years prior and I was confused not not years prior and I was confused not not only because of the timing but because only because of the timing but because only because of the timing but because this is someone that I hadn't seen in this is someone that I hadn't seen in this is someone that I hadn't seen in years or spoken to in years and I years or spoken to in years and I years or spoken to in years and I presume that I was on good terms with um presume that I was on good terms with um presume that I was on good terms with um so I didn't respond to the text message so I didn't respond to the text message so I didn't respond to the text message and then when I didn't respond about 7 and then when I didn't respond about 7 and then when I didn't respond about 7 Days Later this person made some Tik Tok

Days Later this person made some Tik Tok Days Later this person made some Tik Tok videos and with the help of some friends videos and with the help of some friends videos and with the help of some friends launched an online campaign they got launched an online campaign they got launched an online campaign they got picked up by the Press pretty quickly picked up by the Press pretty quickly picked up by the Press pretty quickly so what did you feel like when you got so what did you feel like when you got so what did you feel like when you got that text that text that text well it's tough because on one hand I'm well it's tough because on one hand I'm well it's tough because on one hand I'm not opposed to restitution being part of not opposed to restitution being part of not opposed to restitution being part of a private accountability process for a private accountability process for a private accountability process for real abuse you know like if you've hurt real abuse you know like if you've hurt real abuse you know like if you've hurt someone to an extent that it took them someone to an extent that it took them someone to an extent that it took them out of work or something like I think out of work or something like I think out of work or something like I think they're entitled to some they're entitled to some they're entitled to some money but unfortunately as I later money but unfortunately as I later money but unfortunately as I later learned this person had legal council learned this person had legal council learned this person had legal council and this was an attempt to basically and this was an attempt to basically and this was an attempt to basically create evidence by extracting a conf create evidence by extracting a conf create evidence by extracting a conf from me to use as precedent for a civil from me to use as precedent for a civil from me to use as precedent for a civil lawsuit to the tune of a couple million lawsuit to the tune of a couple million lawsuit to the tune of a couple million dollars it's dollars it's dollars it's dark yeah how did you meet this person dark yeah how did you meet this person dark yeah how did you meet this person well I met them when I was 22 and like I well I met them when I was 22 and like I well I met them when I was 22 and like I told you I was living in an RV making told you I was living in an RV making told you I was living in an RV making the show called all gas sow breaks and I the show called all gas sow breaks and I the show called all gas sow breaks and I would travel between cities like every would travel between cities like every would travel between cities like every other day and so I would basically pick other day and so I would basically pick other day and so I would basically pick a new city and I got in this like pretty a new city and I got in this like pretty a new city and I got in this like pretty bad habit of what I would say is bad habit of what I would say is bad habit of what I would say is essentially treating Instagram like a essentially treating Instagram like a essentially treating Instagram like a like a dating app you know I would go to like a dating app you know I would go to like a dating app you know I would go to a new place I'd post my location I'd a new place I'd post my location I'd a new place I'd post my location I'd surf the DMS and I would look for like surf the DMS and I would look for like surf the DMS and I would look for like fans to meet up with it wasn't always fans to meet up with it wasn't always fans to meet up with it wasn't always girls it was just people to party with girls it was just people to party with girls it was just people to party with cuz I was also partying every night but cuz I was also partying every night but cuz I was also partying every night but a lot of times ended up being girls and a lot of times ended up being girls and a lot of times ended up being girls and stuff and so that's kind of how this stuff and so that's kind of how this stuff and so that's kind of how this situation was um I didn't have sex with situation was um I didn't have sex with situation was um I didn't have sex with this person um had a consensual this person um had a consensual this person um had a consensual encounter that they reached out to me encounter that they reached out to me encounter that they reached out to me about two weeks after saying hey I don't

about two weeks after saying hey I don't about two weeks after saying hey I don't want you to take this the wrong way but want you to take this the wrong way but want you to take this the wrong way but looking back I felt a lot more pressure looking back I felt a lot more pressure looking back I felt a lot more pressure to agree than I realized in the moment I to agree than I realized in the moment I to agree than I realized in the moment I don't think this is any fault of yours I don't think this is any fault of yours I don't think this is any fault of yours I just think that you came on a bit too just think that you came on a bit too just think that you came on a bit too strong and I didn't want to let you down strong and I didn't want to let you down strong and I didn't want to let you down so I gave in and it was that language so I gave in and it was that language so I gave in and it was that language made me feel horrible mainly because if made me feel horrible mainly because if made me feel horrible mainly because if this person had told me hey I don't want this person had told me hey I don't want this person had told me hey I don't want to hook up I would have said yeah of to hook up I would have said yeah of to hook up I would have said yeah of course not why would I don't want to course not why would I don't want to course not why would I don't want to hook up with someone who doesn't want to hook up with someone who doesn't want to hook up with someone who doesn't want to hook up with me and I think that as Fame hook up with me and I think that as Fame hook up with me and I think that as Fame increased during that time I think I was increased during that time I think I was increased during that time I think I was just kind of oblivious to just kind of oblivious to just kind of oblivious to how people were seeing me especially how people were seeing me especially how people were seeing me especially those who had a digital relationship those who had a digital relationship those who had a digital relationship with me prior to me knowing them and I with me prior to me knowing them and I with me prior to me knowing them and I don't think that I handled that the don't think that I handled that the don't think that I handled that the right way well thank you for taking right way well thank you for taking right way well thank you for taking accountability but just to clarify you accountability but just to clarify you accountability but just to clarify you got consent yeah I was the initiatory got consent yeah I was the initiatory got consent yeah I was the initiatory party in an interaction with uh a fan party in an interaction with uh a fan party in an interaction with uh a fan who felt it she had to say yes because who felt it she had to say yes because who felt it she had to say yes because of I'm not sure why I don't know why but of I'm not sure why I don't know why but of I'm not sure why I don't know why but like I said this person also disclosed like I said this person also disclosed like I said this person also disclosed to me they had a history of childhood to me they had a history of childhood to me they had a history of childhood trauma and were actively being treated trauma and were actively being treated trauma and were actively being treated for PTSD and that they felt things move for PTSD and that they felt things move for PTSD and that they felt things move too fast for them giv their situation too fast for them giv their situation too fast for them giv their situation and so I I told her I said hey if you and so I I told her I said hey if you and so I I told her I said hey if you want to reach out if you want to talk on want to reach out if you want to talk on want to reach out if you want to talk on the phone I'm always here for you I'm the phone I'm always here for you I'm the phone I'm always here for you I'm sorry to hear that let me know if we can sorry to hear that let me know if we can sorry to hear that let me know if we can talk further um about six months after talk further um about six months after talk further um about six months after that um I was at Sturgis Bike Week and that um I was at Sturgis Bike Week and that um I was at Sturgis Bike Week and uh I remember this day this was the uh I remember this day this was the uh I remember this day this was the hardest day I was just chilling and I hardest day I was just chilling and I hardest day I was just chilling and I got a text from my friend and it said

got a text from my friend and it said got a text from my friend and it said hey man you're getting canceled right hey man you're getting canceled right hey man you're getting canceled right now and I was like what do you mean like now and I was like what do you mean like now and I was like what do you mean like did someone find an old tweet or did someone find an old tweet or did someone find an old tweet or something what are you talking about and something what are you talking about and something what are you talking about and I opened my phone and it was this I opened my phone and it was this I opened my phone and it was this Instagram story of me it was like the Instagram story of me it was like the Instagram story of me it was like the ugliest picture of me you can find it ugliest picture of me you can find it ugliest picture of me you can find it was like my face open it was like was like my face open it was like was like my face open it was like screenshotted um and it said I remember screenshotted um and it said I remember screenshotted um and it said I remember this specifically cuz I just couldn't this specifically cuz I just couldn't this specifically cuz I just couldn't believe it it said the ugly loser who believe it it said the ugly loser who believe it it said the ugly loser who hosts all gas no breaks is a piece of hosts all gas no breaks is a piece of hosts all gas no breaks is a piece of shit he knowingly abused my friend and shit he knowingly abused my friend and shit he knowingly abused my friend and got away with it if you follow him I'm got away with it if you follow him I'm got away with it if you follow him I'm going to message you and ask you why so going to message you and ask you why so going to message you and ask you why so this person who I don't know I didn't this person who I don't know I didn't this person who I don't know I didn't even know where who the accusation was even know where who the accusation was even know where who the accusation was coming from they text they emailed every coming from they text they emailed every coming from they text they emailed every production company that I was working production company that I was working production company that I was working with DMD hundreds if not thousands of with DMD hundreds if not thousands of with DMD hundreds if not thousands of people like just saying that like I was people like just saying that like I was people like just saying that like I was this piece of shit and I didn't even this piece of shit and I didn't even this piece of shit and I didn't even know who this person was so I was know who this person was so I was know who this person was so I was frantically calling and texting like frantically calling and texting like frantically calling and texting like every person that I'd seen intimately every person that I'd seen intimately every person that I'd seen intimately for the past year and being like hey are for the past year and being like hey are for the past year and being like hey are we on good terms is everything okay and we on good terms is everything okay and we on good terms is everything okay and then I figured out that the person was then I figured out that the person was then I figured out that the person was coming from Florida and I knew who it coming from Florida and I knew who it coming from Florida and I knew who it was and so that thankfully I reached out was and so that thankfully I reached out was and so that thankfully I reached out to the original um person who I had the to the original um person who I had the to the original um person who I had the communication with and um I said hey communication with and um I said hey communication with and um I said hey like I think this might have been you like I think this might have been you like I think this might have been you this might have been your friend who this might have been your friend who this might have been your friend who posted this are we good like I'm I'm posted this are we good like I'm I'm posted this are we good like I'm I'm sorry I I apologized again I was like sorry I I apologized again I was like sorry I I apologized again I was like listen I feel bad that you feel this way listen I feel bad that you feel this way listen I feel bad that you feel this way I want to do anything that I can to help I want to do anything that I can to help I want to do anything that I can to help you again I apologize and um she said you again I apologize and um she said you again I apologize and um she said apology accepted I'm sorry my friend apology accepted I'm sorry my friend apology accepted I'm sorry my friend asked if I could if she could post on my asked if I could if she could post on my asked if I could if she could post on my behalf and I'm sorry I was going through

behalf and I'm sorry I was going through behalf and I'm sorry I was going through a lot mentally and I saw your Fame a lot mentally and I saw your Fame a lot mentally and I saw your Fame increasing and so agreed to let her increasing and so agreed to let her increasing and so agreed to let her speak on my behalf and um we let we made speak on my behalf and um we let we made speak on my behalf and um we let we made amends in private you know I said okay amends in private you know I said okay amends in private you know I said okay I'm here for you let me know and she I'm here for you let me know and she I'm here for you let me know and she said apologies enough thank you for said apologies enough thank you for said apologies enough thank you for taking the time to speak with me and taking the time to speak with me and taking the time to speak with me and that was two years prior to this text that was two years prior to this text that was two years prior to this text message being sent to my phone 8 minutes message being sent to my phone 8 minutes message being sent to my phone 8 minutes before the movie so naturally I wanted before the movie so naturally I wanted before the movie so naturally I wanted to go on my platforms and talk about to go on my platforms and talk about to go on my platforms and talk about what was happening but I but I also what was happening but I but I also what was happening but I but I also didn't want to mess up the roll out of didn't want to mess up the roll out of didn't want to mess up the roll out of the movie you know and uh so the the pr the movie you know and uh so the the pr the movie you know and uh so the the pr firm was like we got this we'll handle firm was like we got this we'll handle firm was like we got this we'll handle this for you and that was I guess by way this for you and that was I guess by way this for you and that was I guess by way of a TMZ thing that said Andrew Callahan of a TMZ thing that said Andrew Callahan of a TMZ thing that said Andrew Callahan is devastated I'm not sure why they is devastated I'm not sure why they is devastated I'm not sure why they thought that that was going to make thought that that was going to make thought that that was going to make people be in my favor but it was just a people be in my favor but it was just a people be in my favor but it was just a picture of Me on NBC that said Andrew picture of Me on NBC that said Andrew picture of Me on NBC that said Andrew Callahan devastated by allegations that Callahan devastated by allegations that Callahan devastated by allegations that that was their plan I guess to show that that was their plan I guess to show that that was their plan I guess to show that I was remorseful or something you know I was remorseful or something you know I was remorseful or something you know how much of this do you think lawyers how much of this do you think lawyers how much of this do you think lawyers kind kind kind of pushing this when money and fame are of pushing this when money and fame are of pushing this when money and fame are involved well I wish I could say the involved well I wish I could say the involved well I wish I could say the lawyer but I just can't um that was lawyer but I just can't um that was lawyer but I just can't um that was involved in this but I will tell you involved in this but I will tell you involved in this but I will tell you that I try to lean away from resentment that I try to lean away from resentment that I try to lean away from resentment and toward accountability completely and toward accountability completely and toward accountability completely what was my role in the situation how what was my role in the situation how what was my role in the situation how can I never make someone feel like that can I never make someone feel like that can I never make someone feel like that again what can I do what changes can I again what can I do what changes can I again what can I do what changes can I make to make sure that one I never treat make to make sure that one I never treat make to make sure that one I never treat someone this way and two to never be in someone this way and two to never be in someone this way and two to never be in that position again well again thank you

that position again well again thank you that position again well again thank you for taking accountability and the main for taking accountability and the main for taking accountability and the main reason I talk about that is because it reason I talk about that is because it reason I talk about that is because it wasn't just that person there was wasn't just that person there was wasn't just that person there was multiple people who made videos multiple people who made videos multiple people who made videos reporting similar behavior and so it's reporting similar behavior and so it's reporting similar behavior and so it's obvious that that was a pattern of obvious that that was a pattern of obvious that that was a pattern of behavior of mine and so I made the behavior of mine and so I made the behavior of mine and so I made the apology video to announce that I was apology video to announce that I was apology video to announce that I was taking some time away because I just taking some time away because I just taking some time away because I just needed time away I mean my entire needed time away I mean my entire needed time away I mean my entire support system collapsed my friends at support system collapsed my friends at support system collapsed my friends at the time disappeared I was getting like the time disappeared I was getting like the time disappeared I was getting like obituaries texted to my phone that were obituaries texted to my phone that were obituaries texted to my phone that were like hey it's been nice knowing you it like hey it's been nice knowing you it like hey it's been nice knowing you it was great to see you grow good luck you was great to see you grow good luck you was great to see you grow good luck you know like I was dead and uh yeah got know like I was dead and uh yeah got know like I was dead and uh yeah got dropped from my agency no one gave me dropped from my agency no one gave me dropped from my agency no one gave me tough love no one called me to ask me if tough love no one called me to ask me if tough love no one called me to ask me if I was all right it was just only I was all right it was just only I was all right it was just only everyone disappeared in a everyone disappeared in a everyone disappeared in a week again thank you for taking week again thank you for taking week again thank you for taking accountability but I just hate how many accountability but I just hate how many accountability but I just hate how many coward there are out coward there are out coward there are out there like when people hit low points is there like when people hit low points is there like when people hit low points is when when you should help when when you should help when when you should help when you should stand with them if you when you should stand with them if you when you should stand with them if you know the their character yeah and it was know the their character yeah and it was know the their character yeah and it was just um it was hard to separate like the just um it was hard to separate like the just um it was hard to separate like the initial situation that I knew was more initial situation that I knew was more initial situation that I knew was more or less a setup and the possibly genuine or less a setup and the possibly genuine or less a setup and the possibly genuine other other other accounts and so it was like all right accounts and so it was like all right accounts and so it was like all right you know what at this point in my life I you know what at this point in my life I you know what at this point in my life I want to be on the right side of History want to be on the right side of History want to be on the right side of History I don't want to be the anti-canc culture I don't want to be the anti-canc culture I don't want to be the anti-canc culture mouthpiece I don't have the the mental mouthpiece I don't have the the mental mouthpiece I don't have the the mental strength to fight this especially

strength to fight this especially strength to fight this especially because I was envisioning the HBO drop because I was envisioning the HBO drop because I was envisioning the HBO drop to be this like the world opens up to me to be this like the world opens up to me to be this like the world opens up to me moment and it was just the moment and it was just the moment and it was just the reverse but the uh it wasn't so much the reverse but the uh it wasn't so much the reverse but the uh it wasn't so much the the media reporting on it that hurt me the media reporting on it that hurt me the media reporting on it that hurt me it was just little stuff like a a it was just little stuff like a a it was just little stuff like a a childhood childhood childhood friend that you love seeing they friend that you love seeing they friend that you love seeing they unfollowed you on Instagram or just like unfollowed you on Instagram or just like unfollowed you on Instagram or just like seeing someone on the street that you seeing someone on the street that you seeing someone on the street that you grew up with like waving at them and grew up with like waving at them and grew up with like waving at them and they don't they don't do anything back they don't they don't do anything back they don't they don't do anything back and and you're just like oh my God man and and you're just like oh my God man and and you're just like oh my God man like like like this is my new life but what are you this is my new life but what are you this is my new life but what are you supposed to do thankfully I like somehow supposed to do thankfully I like somehow supposed to do thankfully I like somehow two weeks after I met an amazing partner two weeks after I met an amazing partner two weeks after I met an amazing partner who I'm still with to this day and I was who I'm still with to this day and I was who I'm still with to this day and I was able to conquer my two biggest fears able to conquer my two biggest fears able to conquer my two biggest fears which is monogamy and dogs I was which is monogamy and dogs I was which is monogamy and dogs I was terrified of dogs and terrified of terrified of dogs and terrified of terrified of dogs and terrified of having a girlfriend now I have a having a girlfriend now I have a having a girlfriend now I have a girlfriend who I love and two dogs so what were the what was the dogs so what were the what was the lowest point well right after after this lowest point well right after after this lowest point well right after after this happened I entered like a recovery happened I entered like a recovery happened I entered like a recovery programs started with AA but then I programs started with AA but then I programs started with AA but then I found a more specialized program that found a more specialized program that found a more specialized program that dealt with the issues that I was dealing dealt with the issues that I was dealing dealt with the issues that I was dealing with say the hardest point was um logically um logically deducing that the lives of my loved ones deducing that the lives of my loved ones deducing that the lives of my loved ones would be better off if I was gone you would be better off if I was gone you would be better off if I was gone you know what I know what I know what I mean and uh thinking that my my mom and mean and uh thinking that my my mom and mean and uh thinking that my my mom and my friends that their life would be my friends that their life would be my friends that their life would be better if I took myself out of the better if I took myself out of the better if I took myself out of the picture and um for one I just figured

picture and um for one I just figured picture and um for one I just figured you know their friends canceled you know you know their friends canceled you know you know their friends canceled you know her son is a disgrace you my my family's her son is a disgrace you my my family's her son is a disgrace you my my family's going to think they raised me wrong and going to think they raised me wrong and going to think they raised me wrong and my friends I'm a social Pari now I'm a my friends I'm a social Pari now I'm a my friends I'm a social Pari now I'm a burden I'm better off dead and uh the burden I'm better off dead and uh the burden I'm better off dead and uh the hard part was you know I would read um hard part was you know I would read um hard part was you know I would read um stories and books written by parents who stories and books written by parents who stories and books written by parents who lost their kids to suicide and they lost their kids to suicide and they lost their kids to suicide and they reported feeling a lot of anger after reported feeling a lot of anger after reported feeling a lot of anger after the the the suicide so I tried to think of what's suicide so I tried to think of what's suicide so I tried to think of what's the way I can do it to get the least the way I can do it to get the least the way I can do it to get the least amount of amount of amount of anger on behalf of the people who would anger on behalf of the people who would anger on behalf of the people who would grieve cuz hanging someone will discover grieve cuz hanging someone will discover grieve cuz hanging someone will discover you so I figured drinking myself to you so I figured drinking myself to you so I figured drinking myself to death would be the way to do death would be the way to do death would be the way to do it and uh I wasn't able to yeah that was it and uh I wasn't able to yeah that was it and uh I wasn't able to yeah that was just a dark place you know I remember just a dark place you know I remember just a dark place you know I remember hating the people who loved me because I knew they would grieve and because I knew they would grieve and that made me mad that makes sense like I that made me mad that makes sense like I that made me mad that makes sense like I was ready to go I had no will to live was ready to go I had no will to live was ready to go I had no will to live but but their grief was like I didn't but but their grief was like I didn't but but their grief was like I didn't want to cause that cuz I don't want to want to cause that cuz I don't want to want to cause that cuz I don't want to hurt them so I was like I hated the hurt them so I was like I hated the hurt them so I was like I hated the people who loved me cuz they were people who loved me cuz they were people who loved me cuz they were stopping me from taking my own stopping me from taking my own stopping me from taking my own life you know and uh it's weird to think life you know and uh it's weird to think life you know and uh it's weird to think that like when I was going through that like when I was going through that like when I was going through that if you walk by me in the street I that if you walk by me in the street I that if you walk by me in the street I look like a normal look like a normal look like a normal guy and so now when I walk around and I guy and so now when I walk around and I guy and so now when I walk around and I see people I think to myself you have no see people I think to myself you have no see people I think to myself you have no idea what that person is going through idea what that person is going through idea what that person is going through you know like it's crazy that so many you know like it's crazy that so many you know like it's crazy that so many people are suffering in like

people are suffering in like people are suffering in like complete silence and you can't they complete silence and you can't they complete silence and you can't they don't wear it on them you know many of don't wear it on them you know many of don't wear it on them you know many of the people you talk to are probably that the people you talk to are probably that the people you talk to are probably that yeah many people you've interviewed yeah many people you've interviewed yeah many people you've interviewed before all this and after are probably before all this and after are probably before all this and after are probably going through some shit I also thought going through some shit I also thought going through some shit I also thought if if I could write down what I just if if I could write down what I just if if I could write down what I just told you on a piece of told you on a piece of told you on a piece of paper and I was to to do it and then paper and I was to to do it and then paper and I was to to do it and then they found the note they would take it they found the note they would take it they found the note they would take it more seriously cuz they would know that more seriously cuz they would know that more seriously cuz they would know that I wasn't lying yeah but then you know if I wasn't lying yeah but then you know if I wasn't lying yeah but then you know if you do it it reduces the lifespan of you do it it reduces the lifespan of you do it it reduces the lifespan of your parents by 15 your parents by 15 your parents by 15 years so I looked at it like I was years so I looked at it like I was years so I looked at it like I was taking time away from taking time away from taking time away from them well thank you for the most part them well thank you for the most part them well thank you for the most part leaning towards leaning towards leaning towards accountability it's the right path to accountability it's the right path to accountability it's the right path to take uh what advice would you give to take uh what advice would you give to take uh what advice would you give to young young young men uh that look up to you on how they men uh that look up to you on how they men uh that look up to you on how they can be good men especially in regard to can be good men especially in regard to can be good men especially in regard to women if you have any kind of platform women if you have any kind of platform women if you have any kind of platform you know whether it doesn't have to be you know whether it doesn't have to be you know whether it doesn't have to be famous on Instagram it could be like if famous on Instagram it could be like if famous on Instagram it could be like if you're a pillar of your community in The you're a pillar of your community in The you're a pillar of your community in The Culinary world or whatever it Culinary world or whatever it Culinary world or whatever it is um just be hyper aware of that and is um just be hyper aware of that and is um just be hyper aware of that and remember that you are inheriting a power remember that you are inheriting a power remember that you are inheriting a power Dynamic that can create situations Dynamic that can create situations Dynamic that can create situations where there might be some pressure that where there might be some pressure that where there might be some pressure that you you don't even realize is there but you you don't even realize is there but you you don't even realize is there but it's definitely there and you just have it's definitely there and you just have it's definitely there and you just have to be aware of that and two to be aware of that and two to be aware of that and two um when when meeting new partners having um when when meeting new partners having um when when meeting new partners having hookups and stuff like that just try to hookups and stuff like that just try to hookups and stuff like that just try to have a trauma informed conversation have a trauma informed conversation have a trauma informed conversation about their

about their about their past really past really past really know the experiences and the backstory know the experiences and the backstory know the experiences and the backstory of what a new partner has gone through of what a new partner has gone through of what a new partner has gone through in that world of in that world of in that world of intimacy whatever they're comfortable uh intimacy whatever they're comfortable uh intimacy whatever they're comfortable uh uh you know to share obviously but you uh you know to share obviously but you uh you know to share obviously but you know I would advise against one night know I would advise against one night know I would advise against one night stands I would advise against hooking up stands I would advise against hooking up stands I would advise against hooking up with someone um that you're meeting for with someone um that you're meeting for with someone um that you're meeting for the first time have those conversations the first time have those conversations the first time have those conversations prior because even though it might sound prior because even though it might sound prior because even though it might sound like a Vibe killer it's not and if you like a Vibe killer it's not and if you like a Vibe killer it's not and if you think that that conversation is a Vibe think that that conversation is a Vibe think that that conversation is a Vibe killer you probably shouldn't be in that killer you probably shouldn't be in that killer you probably shouldn't be in that situation in the first place especially situation in the first place especially situation in the first place especially now how hypersexualized things are and now how hypersexualized things are and now how hypersexualized things are and how common that type of violence is you how common that type of violence is you how common that type of violence is you need to be able to have those need to be able to have those need to be able to have those conversations and stop and say hey tell conversations and stop and say hey tell conversations and stop and say hey tell me a little bit about your past is there me a little bit about your past is there me a little bit about your past is there any triggers to make you uncomfortable any triggers to make you uncomfortable any triggers to make you uncomfortable let me know how I can be the best let me know how I can be the best let me know how I can be the best partner to you and I'm sure that college partner to you and I'm sure that college partner to you and I'm sure that college age people are not having those age people are not having those age people are not having those conversations but I'm sure that it would conversations but I'm sure that it would conversations but I'm sure that it would go a long way go a long way go a long way so especially when you're young college so especially when you're young college so especially when you're young college aged you don't have enough experience to aged you don't have enough experience to aged you don't have enough experience to be able to read a person without having be able to read a person without having be able to read a person without having that conversation cuz a lot of times you that conversation cuz a lot of times you that conversation cuz a lot of times you can see the trauma without explicitly can see the trauma without explicitly can see the trauma without explicitly talking about it but that takes talking about it but that takes talking about it but that takes experience and knowledge and seeing the experience and knowledge and seeing the experience and knowledge and seeing the world when you're young and you don't world when you're young and you don't world when you're young and you don't know you really don't know shit making know you really don't know shit making know you really don't know shit making things a bit more explicit is probably things a bit more explicit is probably things a bit more explicit is probably better yeah and also like as men were better yeah and also like as men were better yeah and also like as men were trained to believe that it's our duty to trained to believe that it's our duty to trained to believe that it's our duty to be the initiatory party in any type of be the initiatory party in any type of be the initiatory party in any type of like sexual encounter like oh like man like sexual encounter like oh like man like sexual encounter like oh like man chases woman you know what I mean like chases woman you know what I mean like chases woman you know what I mean like you know you have to be the one to make you know you have to be the one to make you know you have to be the one to make the move and or like she's playing hard the move and or like she's playing hard the move and or like she's playing hard to get if you know she's resistant to to get if you know she's resistant to to get if you know she's resistant to your first like compliment or something

your first like compliment or something your first like compliment or something I think that that's not always how it I think that that's not always how it I think that that's not always how it has to be and that extra caution needs has to be and that extra caution needs has to be and that extra caution needs to be placed if you're taking the to be placed if you're taking the to be placed if you're taking the initiatory role in an interaction initiatory role in an interaction initiatory role in an interaction especially if someone has a traumatic especially if someone has a traumatic especially if someone has a traumatic background they might agree to do background they might agree to do background they might agree to do something with you because they're something with you because they're something with you because they're scared and you might not realize that's scared and you might not realize that's scared and you might not realize that's what's going on but because you don't what's going on but because you don't what's going on but because you don't you don't see yourself as a predatory you don't see yourself as a predatory you don't see yourself as a predatory person you don't see yourself as someone person you don't see yourself as someone person you don't see yourself as someone who would ever consciously make someone who would ever consciously make someone who would ever consciously make someone uncomfortable or cross a boundary but uncomfortable or cross a boundary but uncomfortable or cross a boundary but people have histories that you might not people have histories that you might not people have histories that you might not understand and for me as someone who understand and for me as someone who understand and for me as someone who doesn't have much honestly like doesn't have much honestly like doesn't have much honestly like childhood trauma or anything like that childhood trauma or anything like that childhood trauma or anything like that it's been an interesting year for me it's been an interesting year for me it's been an interesting year for me working in therapy and elsewhere working in therapy and elsewhere working in therapy and elsewhere understanding how that affects the mind understanding how that affects the mind understanding how that affects the mind and also I understand that hurt people and also I understand that hurt people and also I understand that hurt people hurt people and that someone with a hurt people and that someone with a hurt people and that someone with a traumatic background isn't going to have traumatic background isn't going to have traumatic background isn't going to have sympathy for applying that traumatic sympathy for applying that traumatic sympathy for applying that traumatic pain to someone else even if that person pain to someone else even if that person pain to someone else even if that person isn't the cause of of what put them in isn't the cause of of what put them in isn't the cause of of what put them in that spot if we can go back to Channel 5 that spot if we can go back to Channel 5 that spot if we can go back to Channel 5 can you tell the origin story of that can you tell the origin story of that can you tell the origin story of that yeah I mean Channel 5 we during the AAS yeah I mean Channel 5 we during the AAS yeah I mean Channel 5 we during the AAS snow breaks days we used to tell people snow breaks days we used to tell people snow breaks days we used to tell people that we were called Channel 5 if we that we were called Channel 5 if we that we were called Channel 5 if we wanted them to stop antagonizing us wanted them to stop antagonizing us wanted them to stop antagonizing us while we were filming cuz every town has while we were filming cuz every town has while we were filming cuz every town has a channel 5 so when people were like a channel 5 so when people were like a channel 5 so when people were like what's this for if they were being super what's this for if they were being super what's this for if they were being super rude and like trying to get into the rude and like trying to get into the rude and like trying to get into the camera and be hella obnoxious we would camera and be hella obnoxious we would camera and be hella obnoxious we would just say oh we're Channel 5 and they just say oh we're Channel 5 and they just say oh we're Channel 5 and they would be like oh my grandma's going to would be like oh my grandma's going to would be like oh my grandma's going to see that and they would leave us alone see that and they would leave us alone see that and they would leave us alone so Channel 5 was a diverse tactic during so Channel 5 was a diverse tactic during so Channel 5 was a diverse tactic during all gas snow breaks and it just so all gas snow breaks and it just so all gas snow breaks and it just so happened that we were in Miami Beach one happened that we were in Miami Beach one happened that we were in Miami Beach one time and this kid came up like drinking time and this kid came up like drinking time and this kid came up like drinking liquor like you know trying to yell liquor like you know trying to yell liquor like you know trying to yell about like whatever they whatever they about like whatever they whatever they about like whatever they whatever they yell about in Miami Beach like titties

yell about in Miami Beach like titties yell about in Miami Beach like titties or whatever and uh we're like bro this or whatever and uh we're like bro this or whatever and uh we're like bro this is Channel 5 be careful what you say and is Channel 5 be careful what you say and is Channel 5 be careful what you say and he was like for real and he just walked he was like for real and he just walked he was like for real and he just walked off and I said to my friend at the time off and I said to my friend at the time off and I said to my friend at the time I was like that sounded pretty good I was like that sounded pretty good I was like that sounded pretty good right channel five and he goes that it right channel five and he goes that it right channel five and he goes that it sound pretty good he's like that's got sound pretty good he's like that's got sound pretty good he's like that's got to be trademark though to be trademark though to be trademark though no it's not trademark yeah it's crazy no it's not trademark yeah it's crazy no it's not trademark yeah it's crazy right there's a channel five in every right there's a channel five in every right there's a channel five in every city Channel 5 KTLA Channel 5 Seattle KO city Channel 5 KTLA Channel 5 Seattle KO city Channel 5 KTLA Channel 5 Seattle KO news dude channel five itself we own it cuz no one's thought of something it cuz no one's thought of something that simple because you'd think you'd that simple because you'd think you'd that simple because you'd think you'd have to specify we own channel 5.com have to specify we own channel 5.com have to specify we own channel 5.com channel 5.new dude we own it it's it's channel 5.new dude we own it it's it's channel 5.new dude we own it it's it's awesome so it was the same kind of awesome so it was the same kind of awesome so it was the same kind of spirit as uh as the previous thing but spirit as uh as the previous thing but spirit as uh as the previous thing but uh what was the first one you did under uh what was the first one you did under uh what was the first one you did under the channel 5 flag Miami Beach spring the channel 5 flag Miami Beach spring the channel 5 flag Miami Beach spring break I think I've seen that and it's break I think I've seen that and it's break I think I've seen that and it's going to be a call back I think I think going to be a call back I think I think going to be a call back I think I think there um I think somebody mentioning there um I think somebody mentioning there um I think somebody mentioning eating ass there too that would be the eating ass there too that would be the eating ass there too that would be the place I believe that there's only about place I believe that there's only about place I believe that there's only about five places in the US where people yell five places in the US where people yell five places in the US where people yell about eating ass all the time Bourbon about eating ass all the time Bourbon about eating ass all the time Bourbon Street South Beach Miami 6 Street in Street South Beach Miami 6 Street in Street South Beach Miami 6 Street in Austin Broadway in Nashville and I'm Austin Broadway in Nashville and I'm Austin Broadway in Nashville and I'm just going to go ahead and say Time just going to go ahead and say Time just going to go ahead and say Time Square you might not think it but Time Square you might not think it but Time Square you might not think it but Time Square really yeah the yellow bad ass Square really yeah the yellow bad ass Square really yeah the yellow bad ass there CL Square I would say be Street in there CL Square I would say be Street in there CL Square I would say be Street in Memphis but it's not it's not good oh Memphis but it's not it's not good oh Memphis but it's not it's not good oh yeah I mean beill street is like the yeah I mean beill street is like the yeah I mean beill street is like the median age is too high on Bill Street median age is too high on Bill Street median age is too high on Bill Street for anyone to yell about

for anyone to yell about for anyone to yell about ass W this is a fascinating portrait of ass W this is a fascinating portrait of ass W this is a fascinating portrait of America through that specific lens so America through that specific lens so America through that specific lens so Miami Beach and then uh how would you Miami Beach and then uh how would you Miami Beach and then uh how would you describe your style of interviewing just describe your style of interviewing just describe your style of interviewing just now that you've collected so now that you've collected so now that you've collected so many if you if you had a style how would many if you if you had a style how would many if you if you had a style how would you describe I guess before especially you describe I guess before especially you describe I guess before especially it used to be like dead pan now I would it used to be like dead pan now I would it used to be like dead pan now I would describe it as more directed but still describe it as more directed but still describe it as more directed but still relatively affable agreeable dead pan relatively affable agreeable dead pan relatively affable agreeable dead pan interview style yeah there's a like in interview style yeah there's a like in interview style yeah there's a like in the face of absurdity yeah you're just the face of absurdity yeah you're just the face of absurdity yeah you're just like there with a microphone there like there with a microphone there like there with a microphone there there's a There's a comic aspect to it there's a There's a comic aspect to it there's a There's a comic aspect to it mhm and that's intentional yeah I used mhm and that's intentional yeah I used mhm and that's intentional yeah I used to look at the camera like Jim from the to look at the camera like Jim from the to look at the camera like Jim from the office back in the day yeah I don't do office back in the day yeah I don't do office back in the day yeah I don't do that that that anymore what about the editing like how anymore what about the editing like how anymore what about the editing like how do you think about the editing I still do you think about the editing I still do you think about the editing I still do most of it but Susan helps a lot too do most of it but Susan helps a lot too do most of it but Susan helps a lot too it's my associate uh yeah the editing it's my associate uh yeah the editing it's my associate uh yeah the editing style like I said we pioneered this style like I said we pioneered this style like I said we pioneered this editing style that honestly was inspired editing style that honestly was inspired editing style that honestly was inspired a bit by like Vic Berger but we took it a bit by like Vic Berger but we took it a bit by like Vic Berger but we took it to real life crash zooms kind of to real life crash zooms kind of to real life crash zooms kind of chopping up vocals a bit to add comedic chopping up vocals a bit to add comedic chopping up vocals a bit to add comedic timing where it didn't necessarily exist timing where it didn't necessarily exist timing where it didn't necessarily exist like you might add two seconds of like you might add two seconds of like you might add two seconds of awkward silence that are built with room awkward silence that are built with room awkward silence that are built with room tone or you might make everything really tone or you might make everything really tone or you might make everything really fast by cutting silence and switching fast by cutting silence and switching fast by cutting silence and switching frames frames frames I mean switching camera angles but now I mean switching camera angles but now I mean switching camera angles but now we try to be pretty straightforward we try to be pretty straightforward we try to be pretty straightforward because we want to be taken more because we want to be taken more because we want to be taken more seriously you seriously you seriously you know yeah sure what's crash Zoom by the know yeah sure what's crash Zoom by the know yeah sure what's crash Zoom by the way a crash Zoom is when the like it's

way a crash Zoom is when the like it's way a crash Zoom is when the like it's artificial Zoom that you might add in artificial Zoom that you might add in artificial Zoom that you might add in adobi premere where the camera Zooms in adobi premere where the camera Zooms in adobi premere where the camera Zooms in on someone's face where the resolution on someone's face where the resolution on someone's face where the resolution is not there the resolution is not there is not there the resolution is not there is not there the resolution is not there unless you have a like a Blackmagic unless you have a like a Blackmagic unless you have a like a Blackmagic Cinema Camera which you don't we don't Cinema Camera which you don't we don't Cinema Camera which you don't we don't we don't use those the file size is too we don't use those the file size is too we don't use those the file size is too big the file that's the only constraint big the file that's the only constraint big the file that's the only constraint yeah and you also do uh voiceover yeah and you also do uh voiceover yeah and you also do uh voiceover storytelling I think the first time I storytelling I think the first time I storytelling I think the first time I really did that was in the San Francisco really did that was in the San Francisco really did that was in the San Francisco streets video because there's so much streets video because there's so much streets video because there's so much content about San Francisco homelessness content about San Francisco homelessness content about San Francisco homelessness tenderloin shoplifting but there's not tenderloin shoplifting but there's not tenderloin shoplifting but there's not that much context in those videos about that much context in those videos about that much context in those videos about the history of San Francisco the housing the history of San Francisco the housing the history of San Francisco the housing crisis nimbyism random zoning stuff that crisis nimbyism random zoning stuff that crisis nimbyism random zoning stuff that sounds boring but has a major role in sounds boring but has a major role in sounds boring but has a major role in the current situation on the streets the current situation on the streets the current situation on the streets there as to why the tenderloin is there as to why the tenderloin is there as to why the tenderloin is neglected by police and by the city neglected by police and by the city neglected by police and by the city council and the other neighborhoods like council and the other neighborhoods like council and the other neighborhoods like Knob Hill and North Beach are so nice so Knob Hill and North Beach are so nice so Knob Hill and North Beach are so nice so I added that purposely to the San I added that purposely to the San I added that purposely to the San Francisco video and then also to the Francisco video and then also to the Francisco video and then also to the Philadelphia streets video to accentuate Philadelphia streets video to accentuate Philadelphia streets video to accentuate the reporting and add some historical the reporting and add some historical the reporting and add some historical analysis what's your goal with some of analysis what's your goal with some of analysis what's your goal with some of these videos like the Philadelphia these videos like the Philadelphia these videos like the Philadelphia streets one is it to reveal the full streets one is it to reveal the full streets one is it to reveal the full spectrum of humanity or is it also to spectrum of humanity or is it also to spectrum of humanity or is it also to tell a story that's almost political tell a story that's almost political tell a story that's almost political about state number one is always about state number one is always about state number one is always humanization that's the primary goal is humanization that's the primary goal is humanization that's the primary goal is to take people in circumstances where to take people in circumstances where to take people in circumstances where they're often news items and remind the they're often news items and remind the they're often news items and remind the public that these are people with lives public that these are people with lives public that these are people with lives and concerns and dreams just like you and concerns and dreams just like you and concerns and dreams just like you but secondly we also want to start but secondly we also want to start but secondly we also want to start introducing more solution oriented introducing more solution oriented introducing more solution oriented journalism so not just oh my God I'm journalism so not just oh my God I'm journalism so not just oh my God I'm becoming aware of how horrible this is becoming aware of how horrible this is becoming aware of how horrible this is but what can you actually do to help and

but what can you actually do to help and but what can you actually do to help and as you can see with the Vegas tunnels as you can see with the Vegas tunnels as you can see with the Vegas tunnels video people are responding pretty video people are responding pretty video people are responding pretty positively to it like here's how you can positively to it like here's how you can positively to it like here's how you can maybe help a homeless neighbor help get maybe help a homeless neighbor help get maybe help a homeless neighbor help get them an ID help them qualify for housing them an ID help them qualify for housing them an ID help them qualify for housing or get a job at the scrapyard there's or get a job at the scrapyard there's or get a job at the scrapyard there's always ways to help but so much of the always ways to help but so much of the always ways to help but so much of the YouTube world is oversaturated by just YouTube world is oversaturated by just YouTube world is oversaturated by just like endless videos of people suffering like endless videos of people suffering like endless videos of people suffering and the comments are always like wow so and the comments are always like wow so and the comments are always like wow so horrible but what does that really do horrible but what does that really do horrible but what does that really do for somebody for somebody for somebody you uh you've uh interviewed many you uh you've uh interviewed many you uh you've uh interviewed many rappers yes educate me there's a lot to rappers yes educate me there's a lot to rappers yes educate me there's a lot to it yeah uh can you explain this drill it yeah uh can you explain this drill it yeah uh can you explain this drill rap situation what what is drill rap rap situation what what is drill rap rap situation what what is drill rap evolving situation drill began in 2010 evolving situation drill began in 2010 evolving situation drill began in 2010 some people say it was Chief Keef in some people say it was Chief Keef in some people say it was Chief Keef in Chicago I think it was King Louie in Chicago I think it was King Louie in Chicago I think it was King Louie in Chicago but I think all of it was very Chicago but I think all of it was very Chicago but I think all of it was very very influenced by Waka Flocka Flame who very influenced by Waka Flocka Flame who very influenced by Waka Flocka Flame who dropped an album called flock ofi in dropped an album called flock ofi in dropped an album called flock ofi in 2010 that was like hyper violent 2010 that was like hyper violent 2010 that was like hyper violent adrenaline adrenaline adrenaline boosting rap music made by people who boosting rap music made by people who boosting rap music made by people who were actually in the streets so in the were actually in the streets so in the were actually in the streets so in the 990s you like you had 50 Cent you had 990s you like you had 50 Cent you had 990s you like you had 50 Cent you had rappers rapping about like whatever rappers rapping about like whatever rappers rapping about like whatever gangster shit selling crack and beating gangster shit selling crack and beating gangster shit selling crack and beating people up but they weren't actually people up but they weren't actually people up but they weren't actually doing it drill has a true crime doing it drill has a true crime doing it drill has a true crime component to where drill fans want to component to where drill fans want to component to where drill fans want to know that the person rapping about know that the person rapping about know that the person rapping about catching bodies does in fact kill people catching bodies does in fact kill people catching bodies does in fact kill people so drill is uh it's pretty horrifying it so drill is uh it's pretty horrifying it so drill is uh it's pretty horrifying it sounds great but it started in Chicago sounds great but it started in Chicago sounds great but it started in Chicago then it spread to England and now it's then it spread to England and now it's then it spread to England and now it's bounced back to New York spe like the bounced back to New York spe like the bounced back to New York spe like the Bronx and Brooklyn specifically and Bronx and Brooklyn specifically and Bronx and Brooklyn specifically and spread from New York to the rest of the

spread from New York to the rest of the spread from New York to the rest of the country so now there's probably a drill country so now there's probably a drill country so now there's probably a drill wrapper every 10 square wrapper every 10 square wrapper every 10 square miles so these are as opposed to miles so these are as opposed to miles so these are as opposed to pretending to be a gangster and killing pretending to be a gangster and killing pretending to be a gangster and killing people you you get some credibility by people you you get some credibility by people you you get some credibility by actually doing it yes and the fans are actually doing it yes and the fans are actually doing it yes and the fans are typically not in the communities that typically not in the communities that typically not in the communities that are affected by poverty so they're kind are affected by poverty so they're kind are affected by poverty so they're kind of like superheroes to white of like superheroes to white of like superheroes to white kids it's dark and not just white kids kids it's dark and not just white kids kids it's dark and not just white kids but just anyone who's not in the hood but just anyone who's not in the hood but just anyone who's not in the hood it's not necessarily a race thing it's not necessarily a race thing it's not necessarily a race thing there's white drill rappers too slim there's white drill rappers too slim there's white drill rappers too slim Jesus was was a big one he's out of the Jesus was was a big one he's out of the Jesus was was a big one he's out of the picture now but there's there's white picture now but there's there's white picture now but there's there's white drill rappers slim Jesus um you made a drill rappers slim Jesus um you made a drill rappers slim Jesus um you made a video on oblock yeah what is what what video on oblock yeah what is what what video on oblock yeah what is what what is O Block the place the culture the is O Block the place the culture the is O Block the place the culture the people you O Block is a housing project people you O Block is a housing project people you O Block is a housing project in South Chicago in the Englewood area in South Chicago in the Englewood area in South Chicago in the Englewood area uh where Michelle Obama grew up uh it's uh where Michelle Obama grew up uh it's uh where Michelle Obama grew up uh it's also where Chief Keef was born and also where Chief Keef was born and also where Chief Keef was born and raised I don't know if he was born there raised I don't know if he was born there raised I don't know if he was born there but he was raised there and he is the but he was raised there and he is the but he was raised there and he is the the forefather of modern drill music as the forefather of modern drill music as the forefather of modern drill music as we know it so these are the projects we know it so these are the projects we know it so these are the projects where drill began it's also the first where drill began it's also the first where drill began it's also the first place where you have that intersection place where you have that intersection place where you have that intersection of drill music and True Crime because of drill music and True Crime because of drill music and True Crime because oblock has a lot of rappers and then oblock has a lot of rappers and then oblock has a lot of rappers and then nearby is an area called St nearby is an area called St nearby is an area called St Lawrence AKA tuille which has a lot of Lawrence AKA tuille which has a lot of Lawrence AKA tuille which has a lot of rappers as well and so these two rival rappers as well and so these two rival rappers as well and so these two rival drill gangs drill gangs drill gangs basically have you know a lot of history basically have you know a lot of history basically have you know a lot of history and it connects to music at large so and it connects to music at large so and it connects to music at large so you've interviewed people there

you've interviewed people there you've interviewed people there mhm was there any concern for your mhm was there any concern for your mhm was there any concern for your safety no I mean I think that um safety no I mean I think that um safety no I mean I think that um oblock is has calmed down a lot for one oblock is has calmed down a lot for one oblock is has calmed down a lot for one it has security so you can't even really it has security so you can't even really it has security so you can't even really get in and out but two I I think that o get in and out but two I I think that o get in and out but two I I think that o Block's trying to Rebrand itself a lot Block's trying to Rebrand itself a lot Block's trying to Rebrand itself a lot because it could be because Lil durk's because it could be because Lil durk's because it could be because Lil durk's avoiding a RICO charge could be for a avoiding a RICO charge could be for a avoiding a RICO charge could be for a variety of reasons I know you don't know variety of reasons I know you don't know variety of reasons I know you don't know exactly what that means exactly what that means exactly what that means but Lil Durk or raer Little Durk is from but Lil Durk or raer Little Durk is from but Lil Durk or raer Little Durk is from affiliated with oblock Y and a lot of affiliated with oblock Y and a lot of affiliated with oblock Y and a lot of people have been murdered and people have been murdered and people have been murdered and retribution for killings that l Durk may retribution for killings that l Durk may retribution for killings that l Durk may or may not have influence the ordering or may not have influence the ordering or may not have influence the ordering of but anyways and Little Durk of but anyways and Little Durk of but anyways and Little Durk documented the killings in in no via rap documented the killings in in no via rap documented the killings in in no via rap music probably okay I know you don't music probably okay I know you don't music probably okay I know you don't know about drill and but Lil Durk was know about drill and but Lil Durk was know about drill and but Lil Durk was associated with a rapper named King Von associated with a rapper named King Von associated with a rapper named King Von and King Von perhaps paid for the and King Von perhaps paid for the and King Von perhaps paid for the assassination of a rapper named FBG Duck assassination of a rapper named FBG Duck assassination of a rapper named FBG Duck who got killed in Chicago's Gold Coast who got killed in Chicago's Gold Coast who got killed in Chicago's Gold Coast neighborhood it's possible the oblock neighborhood it's possible the oblock neighborhood it's possible the oblock six are drill Associated not rappers but six are drill Associated not rappers but six are drill Associated not rappers but just Shooters and they perhaps operating just Shooters and they perhaps operating just Shooters and they perhaps operating on King Von's behalf when and killed FBG on King Von's behalf when and killed FBG on King Von's behalf when and killed FBG Duck King vau was Little Dirk's artist Duck King vau was Little Dirk's artist Duck King vau was Little Dirk's artist King Von's now dead so there's a King Von's now dead so there's a King Von's now dead so there's a definitely a concern that some of the definitely a concern that some of the definitely a concern that some of the FED charges will fall on dirt not sure FED charges will fall on dirt not sure FED charges will fall on dirt not sure if that's true but it's Rumors in the if that's true but it's Rumors in the if that's true but it's Rumors in the hip-hop community so oblock right now hip-hop community so oblock right now hip-hop community so oblock right now and when I film the video is trying to and when I film the video is trying to and when I film the video is trying to go through a major image rehab if you go go through a major image rehab if you go go through a major image rehab if you go on any Instagram of anyone in oblock on any Instagram of anyone in oblock on any Instagram of anyone in oblock they've all converted to Islam and so they've all converted to Islam and so they've all converted to Islam and so they post pictures of themselves praying

they post pictures of themselves praying they post pictures of themselves praying in the morning and have captions like in the morning and have captions like in the morning and have captions like put the guns down let's pray so I think put the guns down let's pray so I think put the guns down let's pray so I think when I went there they saw it as a good when I went there they saw it as a good when I went there they saw it as a good opportunity to do a positive Rebrand and opportunity to do a positive Rebrand and opportunity to do a positive Rebrand and and so I interviewed a rapper named boss and so I interviewed a rapper named boss and so I interviewed a rapper named boss toop who was there all the way back in toop who was there all the way back in toop who was there all the way back in 2011 when Chief Keef was coming up and 2011 when Chief Keef was coming up and 2011 when Chief Keef was coming up and so he basically insured my safe so he basically insured my safe so he basically insured my safe protection but he didn't even need to protection but he didn't even need to protection but he didn't even need to they're all very friendly and they know they're all very friendly and they know they're all very friendly and they know exactly what's up with YouTube stuff I exactly what's up with YouTube stuff I exactly what's up with YouTube stuff I like how 2011 is the old days like the like how 2011 is the old days like the like how 2011 is the old days like the ancient oh yeah the found the founding ancient oh yeah the found the founding ancient oh yeah the found the founding fathers I was in eighth grade oh man time flies when you're grade oh man time flies when you're having fun it sure does little Durk having fun it sure does little Durk having fun it sure does little Durk where's Little Durk now where's Little Durk now where's Little Durk now Atlanta so you left Chicago not safe Atlanta so you left Chicago not safe Atlanta so you left Chicago not safe yeah I mean every rapper has to leave yeah I mean every rapper has to leave yeah I mean every rapper has to leave their Hometown that's what I did it's a their Hometown that's what I did it's a their Hometown that's what I did it's a [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] journey Seattle would have taken me out journey Seattle would have taken me out journey Seattle would have taken me out bro how's your I mean you do interview a bro how's your I mean you do interview a bro how's your I mean you do interview a lot of people I mean that's like a top lot of people I mean that's like a top lot of people I mean that's like a top comment but it speaks to the reality of comment but it speaks to the reality of comment but it speaks to the reality of the fact that you always find somebody the fact that you always find somebody the fact that you always find somebody rapping or you uh yeah you create the rapping or you uh yeah you create the rapping or you uh yeah you create the space for people to rap what's that space for people to rap what's that space for people to rap what's that about I don't know man they're usually about I don't know man they're usually about I don't know man they're usually really good you think so I appreciate it really good you think so I appreciate it really good you think so I appreciate it well hell yeah man I mean rappers in well hell yeah man I mean rappers in well hell yeah man I mean rappers in their own way since I touched a their own way since I touched a their own way since I touched a microphone rappers have gravitated microphone rappers have gravitated microphone rappers have gravitated toward me m I think there's something toward me m I think there's something toward me m I think there's something happening you're a rapper Whisperer I happening you're a rapper Whisperer I happening you're a rapper Whisperer I think there's something happening on a think there's something happening on a think there's something happening on a deeper Cosmic spiritual level yeah that deeper Cosmic spiritual level yeah that deeper Cosmic spiritual level yeah that lets the mind of rappers know that like lets the mind of rappers know that like lets the mind of rappers know that like they have a safe place in front of our

they have a safe place in front of our they have a safe place in front of our camera crew you have an interview with camera crew you have an interview with camera crew you have an interview with crip Mack I do crip Mack I do crip Mack I do fre he's a jail right now oh he is yeah fre he's a jail right now oh he is yeah fre he's a jail right now oh he is yeah is that a hashtag yeah for sure what uh is that a hashtag yeah for sure what uh is that a hashtag yeah for sure what uh that's an intense interview people that's an intense interview people that's an intense interview people should go watch it people should go should go watch it people should go should go watch it people should go watch your uh all your interviews but watch your uh all your interviews but watch your uh all your interviews but that one is pretty intense thanks um I that one is pretty intense thanks um I that one is pretty intense thanks um I was a little afraid for your life oh was a little afraid for your life oh was a little afraid for your life oh kmax the safest guy in the world he's a kmax the safest guy in the world he's a kmax the safest guy in the world he's a sweetheart oh definitely dude yeah but sweetheart oh definitely dude yeah but sweetheart oh definitely dude yeah but was fun I feel like more safer on kitac was fun I feel like more safer on kitac was fun I feel like more safer on kitac than I do on with any given pedestrian than I do on with any given pedestrian than I do on with any given pedestrian yeah he was loud and flavorful yeah I yeah he was loud and flavorful yeah I yeah he was loud and flavorful yeah I should say so uh who's he what's his should say so uh who's he what's his should say so uh who's he what's his story well his name's Trevor he grew story well his name's Trevor he grew story well his name's Trevor he grew grew up uh in Ontario California in the grew up uh in Ontario California in the grew up uh in Ontario California in the Inland Empire moved to Texas with his Inland Empire moved to Texas with his Inland Empire moved to Texas with his mom after his dad left his mom um mom after his dad left his mom um mom after his dad left his mom um started started dating a cop from started started dating a cop from started started dating a cop from Houston named Mr Gary um his mom found Houston named Mr Gary um his mom found Houston named Mr Gary um his mom found Mr Gary getting you know anally Mr Gary getting you know anally Mr Gary getting you know anally penetrated by a cooworker and so uh she penetrated by a cooworker and so uh she penetrated by a cooworker and so uh she booked KPM a one-way Greyhound ticket to booked KPM a one-way Greyhound ticket to booked KPM a one-way Greyhound ticket to La where he joined the La where he joined the La where he joined the Crips that's a good story Crips that's a good story Crips that's a good story [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] you know it's true oh you jumped right you know it's true oh you jumped right you know it's true oh you jumped right to Mr Gary yeah to Mr Gary yeah to Mr Gary yeah yeah I'm just saying that uh you know yeah I'm just saying that uh you know yeah I'm just saying that uh you know he's a classic case of somebody without he's a classic case of somebody without he's a classic case of somebody without a father figure who found camaraderie a father figure who found camaraderie a father figure who found camaraderie and you know sense of belonging and and you know sense of belonging and and you know sense of belonging and purpose in the a street gang which in La purpose in the a street gang which in La purpose in the a street gang which in La is like a rule of law in most of the is like a rule of law in most of the is like a rule of law in most of the city uh we were I you getet in what city uh we were I you getet in what city uh we were I you getet in what context earlier talking about martial

context earlier talking about martial context earlier talking about martial arts and fighting and he's got to work arts and fighting and he's got to work arts and fighting and he's got to work his punching form him I yeah I think so his punching form him I yeah I think so his punching form him I yeah I think so he gets into a lot of fights in jail he gets into a lot of fights in jail he gets into a lot of fights in jail though and from what I've heard he wins though and from what I've heard he wins though and from what I've heard he wins like he does about half of them so it's like he does about half of them so it's like he does about half of them so it's all right what do he go to jail for now all right what do he go to jail for now all right what do he go to jail for now firearm possession it was a probation firearm possession it was a probation firearm possession it was a probation violation oh it's too violation oh it's too violation oh it's too bad all right uh what so Philly you went bad all right uh what so Philly you went bad all right uh what so Philly you went to the Border mhm occupy Seattle to the Border mhm occupy Seattle to the Border mhm occupy Seattle protests you went to protests you went to protests you went to Ukraine yeah uh what are some Ukraine yeah uh what are some Ukraine yeah uh what are some interesting things that stand out to you interesting things that stand out to you interesting things that stand out to you from memory just as I asked the question from memory just as I asked the question from memory just as I asked the question some interesting I mean I was in jail at some interesting I mean I was in jail at some interesting I mean I was in jail at the border for for a while that was the border for for a while that was the border for for a while that was horrible what was that like was that horrible what was that like was that horrible what was that like was that your first time yeah well you know I your first time yeah well you know I your first time yeah well you know I didn't know that I couldn't hop my own didn't know that I couldn't hop my own didn't know that I couldn't hop my own border as an American I'm thinking this border as an American I'm thinking this border as an American I'm thinking this is my country I can get in any way that is my country I can get in any way that is my country I can get in any way that I want wrong you can only enter the us I want wrong you can only enter the us I want wrong you can only enter the us through an official Board of Entry which through an official Board of Entry which through an official Board of Entry which I learned the hard way cuz I got I learned the hard way cuz I got I learned the hard way cuz I got arrested by border patrol and held as a arrested by border patrol and held as a arrested by border patrol and held as a detainee at a Migrant Center for a few detainee at a Migrant Center for a few detainee at a Migrant Center for a few days what was the that like horrible days what was the that like horrible days what was the that like horrible which aspect I mean well for one like I which aspect I mean well for one like I which aspect I mean well for one like I don't know it was just to be in a place don't know it was just to be in a place don't know it was just to be in a place like that and I probably sound like such like that and I probably sound like such like that and I probably sound like such a wimp right now cuz I know someone's a wimp right now cuz I know someone's a wimp right now cuz I know someone's watching this who's done some hard time watching this who's done some hard time watching this who's done some hard time but we thought we were going to do at but we thought we were going to do at but we thought we were going to do at least 6 months in jail cuz the the least 6 months in jail cuz the the least 6 months in jail cuz the the guards freaked us out and we're like guards freaked us out and we're like guards freaked us out and we're like you're being charged with a federal you're being charged with a federal you're being charged with a federal crime you know what you boys did is crime you know what you boys did is crime you know what you boys did is serious we're waiting on word from San serious we're waiting on word from San serious we're waiting on word from San Antonio about whether or not we're going Antonio about whether or not we're going Antonio about whether or not we're going to extradite you so we're just sitting to extradite you so we're just sitting to extradite you so we're just sitting in these cells alone most of the time in

in these cells alone most of the time in in these cells alone most of the time in solitary with no pillows just a no solitary with no pillows just a no solitary with no pillows just a no pillows no pillows no mat nothing just a pillows no pillows no mat nothing just a pillows no pillows no mat nothing just a space blanket and I was sleeping on my space blanket and I was sleeping on my space blanket and I was sleeping on my shoes stinking up the place it was no shoes stinking up the place it was no shoes stinking up the place it was no good uh you mentioned the UFO good uh you mentioned the UFO good uh you mentioned the UFO convention yeah um what have you learned convention yeah um what have you learned convention yeah um what have you learned from those guys the from those guys the from those guys the ufologists I really want to know what ufologists I really want to know what ufologists I really want to know what you think about that that's the one you think about that that's the one you think about that that's the one question that I want to reverse on you question that I want to reverse on you question that I want to reverse on you because you've talked to so many people because you've talked to so many people because you've talked to so many people do you think that aliens have actually do you think that aliens have actually do you think that aliens have actually visited Earth yeah when so when uh exact visited Earth yeah when so when uh exact visited Earth yeah when so when uh exact dates I dates I dates I do I think there's alien civilizations do I think there's alien civilizations do I think there's alien civilizations everywhere I talk to a lot of people everywhere I talk to a lot of people everywhere I talk to a lot of people that have doubts about it I just that have doubts about it I just that have doubts about it I just think I even suspect there's a think I even suspect there's a think I even suspect there's a intelligent alien civilization in our intelligent alien civilization in our intelligent alien civilization in our galaxy and I just can't imagine them not galaxy and I just can't imagine them not galaxy and I just can't imagine them not having visited us so I lean on that what having visited us so I lean on that what having visited us so I lean on that what that actually looks like I don't that actually looks like I don't that actually looks like I don't know uh the stuff we're seeing in terms know uh the stuff we're seeing in terms know uh the stuff we're seeing in terms of UFO sightings I think that's much of UFO sightings I think that's much of UFO sightings I think that's much more more more likely um to the degree it's real it's likely um to the degree it's real it's likely um to the degree it's real it's much more likely government projects so much more likely government projects so much more likely government projects so military locky Martin this kind of stuff military locky Martin this kind of stuff military locky Martin this kind of stuff so you think that they have knowledge of so you think that they have knowledge of so you think that they have knowledge of it yeah yeah one thing I think about it yeah yeah one thing I think about it yeah yeah one thing I think about with aliens is scale so we have this with aliens is scale so we have this with aliens is scale so we have this idea that uh an alien would be a gray idea that uh an alien would be a gray idea that uh an alien would be a gray alien or a almost humanoid lookalike alien or a almost humanoid lookalike alien or a almost humanoid lookalike that would visit us in human form arms that would visit us in human form arms that would visit us in human form arms legs head but who's to say that they're legs head but who's to say that they're legs head but who's to say that they're not able to shrink down to microscopic not able to shrink down to microscopic not able to shrink down to microscopic size with the same neural capacity yeah

size with the same neural capacity yeah size with the same neural capacity yeah or just have a very difficult to or just have a very difficult to or just have a very difficult to perceive form but I mean that they would perceive form but I mean that they would perceive form but I mean that they would go small not big no I think that would go small not big no I think that would go small not big no I think that would take a humanoid like form just to be take a humanoid like form just to be take a humanoid like form just to be able to communicate with humans I think able to communicate with humans I think able to communicate with humans I think that the the the big challenge with that the the the big challenge with that the the the big challenge with aliens is to be able to find a Common aliens is to be able to find a Common aliens is to be able to find a Common Language so if you come to another Language so if you come to another Language so if you come to another planet and you suspect that there's some planet and you suspect that there's some planet and you suspect that there's some kind of complexity going on but it looks kind of complexity going on but it looks kind of complexity going on but it looks nothing like humans you have to find a nothing like humans you have to find a nothing like humans you have to find a Common Language mhm and I think aliens Common Language mhm and I think aliens Common Language mhm and I think aliens would try to take physical form that's would try to take physical form that's would try to take physical form that's similar that that us dumb humans don't similar that that us dumb humans don't similar that that us dumb humans don't understand language is really understand language is really understand language is really interesting too I have this series that interesting too I have this series that interesting too I have this series that I'm gonna announced for the first time I'm gonna announced for the first time I'm gonna announced for the first time on here but I'm really interested in on here but I'm really interested in on here but I'm really interested in endangered languages in the US there's endangered languages in the US there's endangered languages in the US there's like 150 languages in the US with less like 150 languages in the US with less like 150 languages in the US with less than a thousand speakers wow and I want than a thousand speakers wow and I want than a thousand speakers wow and I want to like help spearhead efforts to to like help spearhead efforts to to like help spearhead efforts to preserve some of these like for example preserve some of these like for example preserve some of these like for example Hawaiian sign language 15 of those Hawaiian sign language 15 of those Hawaiian sign language 15 of those people left holy shit because when people left holy shit because when people left holy shit because when Hawaii got annexed the ASL Community Hawaii got annexed the ASL Community Hawaii got annexed the ASL Community tried to make it so the deaf native tried to make it so the deaf native tried to make it so the deaf native Hawaiians wouldn't be able to speak Hawaiians wouldn't be able to speak Hawaiians wouldn't be able to speak their native uh sign language and so their native uh sign language and so their native uh sign language and so they would do it under the desks at like they would do it under the desks at like they would do it under the desks at like schools for the deaf and blind and they schools for the deaf and blind and they schools for the deaf and blind and they would get like their mouth washed out would get like their mouth washed out would get like their mouth washed out washed out with soap and stuff if they washed out with soap and stuff if they washed out with soap and stuff if they um so much as did the Hawaiian hand um so much as did the Hawaiian hand um so much as did the Hawaiian hand signs also the gagi language in the signs also the gagi language in the signs also the gagi language in the South Carolina sea Islands Hilton Head South Carolina sea Islands Hilton Head South Carolina sea Islands Hilton Head Island and stuff that's like a it's Island and stuff that's like a it's Island and stuff that's like a it's almost a creole language that's been in almost a creole language that's been in almost a creole language that's been in the US for hundreds of years existing in the US for hundreds of years existing in the US for hundreds of years existing in isolation that's being threatened by isolation that's being threatened by isolation that's being threatened by Golf Course developments I don't know Golf Course developments I don't know Golf Course developments I don't know how into language you are but I've been how into language you are but I've been how into language you are but I've been getting super nerded out about it getting super nerded out about it getting super nerded out about it actually I'm interviewing somebody actually I'm interviewing somebody actually I'm interviewing somebody tomorrow who's an expert in human

tomorrow who's an expert in human tomorrow who's an expert in human language he's from MIT language he's from MIT language he's from MIT um studying the the syntax of a lot of um studying the the syntax of a lot of um studying the the syntax of a lot of languages including in the Amazon uh languages including in the Amazon uh languages including in the Amazon uh jungle the the the peoples that live in jungle the the the peoples that live in jungle the the the peoples that live in the Amazon jungle region yeah it's the Amazon jungle region yeah it's the Amazon jungle region yeah it's fascinating human language is fascinating human language is fascinating human language is fascinating and also the barriers that fascinating and also the barriers that fascinating and also the barriers that creates and also how the games are creates and also how the games are creates and also how the games are played to what you're speaking by played to what you're speaking by played to what you're speaking by governments this is part of the story of governments this is part of the story of governments this is part of the story of Russia and Ukraine is is a battle over Russia and Ukraine is is a battle over Russia and Ukraine is is a battle over language um the Ukrainian language is a language um the Ukrainian language is a language um the Ukrainian language is a symbol of of Independence which is why symbol of of Independence which is why symbol of of Independence which is why they M they were trying to make it the they M they were trying to make it the they M they were trying to make it the primary language of the nation so primary language of the nation so primary language of the nation so sometimes the language represents the sometimes the language represents the sometimes the language represents the culture and the peoples yeah it's like culture and the peoples yeah it's like culture and the peoples yeah it's like intricately tied to the culture of the intricately tied to the culture of the intricately tied to the culture of the people I've been trying to learn Navajo people I've been trying to learn Navajo people I've been trying to learn Navajo which Which languages do you know which Which languages do you know which Which languages do you know Spanish and Spanish and Spanish and English Spanish well English Spanish well English Spanish well see I don't know Spanish that well so see I don't know Spanish that well so see I don't know Spanish that well so that passes me yeah you're fluent that passes me yeah you're fluent that passes me yeah you're fluent basically yes oh it basically yes oh it basically yes oh it doesn't Ola that that was good that was doesn't Ola that that was good that was doesn't Ola that that was good that was real Cancun spring break well I actually real Cancun spring break well I actually real Cancun spring break well I actually speak fluent Spanish according to speak fluent Spanish according to speak fluent Spanish according to Spotify because there's a uh every Spotify because there's a uh every Spotify because there's a uh every episode's translated overdub by AI in in episode's translated overdub by AI in in episode's translated overdub by AI in in Spanish my God yeah there's a very a Spanish my God yeah there's a very a Spanish my God yeah there's a very a Spanish robot assigned a Spanish robot Spanish robot assigned a Spanish robot Spanish robot assigned a Spanish robot it's really it's I sound like incredibly it's really it's I sound like incredibly it's really it's I sound like incredibly intelligent and intellectual in Spanish intelligent and intellectual in Spanish intelligent and intellectual in Spanish Freedman Freedman Freedman exactly

exactly exactly uh from everything you've done all the uh from everything you've done all the uh from everything you've done all the people you've seen do you think most people you've seen do you think most people you've seen do you think most people are people are people are good Underneath It All good Underneath It All good Underneath It All yeah so the ones that do all the extreme yeah so the ones that do all the extreme yeah so the ones that do all the extreme shit okay I'll put it like this most shit okay I'll put it like this most shit okay I'll put it like this most people think they're doing the best people think they're doing the best people think they're doing the best thing for the world I don't think anyone thing for the world I don't think anyone thing for the world I don't think anyone except for maybe a small fraction of except for maybe a small fraction of except for maybe a small fraction of sociopaths wakes up every day and says sociopaths wakes up every day and says sociopaths wakes up every day and says I'm going to fuck somebody's life up I'm going to fuck somebody's life up I'm going to fuck somebody's life up today I think the far majority of people today I think the far majority of people today I think the far majority of people are fighting for what they think is are fighting for what they think is are fighting for what they think is right and do want to see America succeed right and do want to see America succeed right and do want to see America succeed Ed and want us to be in a happy place Ed and want us to be in a happy place Ed and want us to be in a happy place where no one is subjugated I just think where no one is subjugated I just think where no one is subjugated I just think people have drastically different ideas people have drastically different ideas people have drastically different ideas of what means will get us there and of what means will get us there and of what means will get us there and unfortunately that's leading to a lot of unfortunately that's leading to a lot of unfortunately that's leading to a lot of misunderstandings between cultures and misunderstandings between cultures and misunderstandings between cultures and yeah I think that uh most people are yeah I think that uh most people are yeah I think that uh most people are good I've been through some things that good I've been through some things that good I've been through some things that lead me to believe that a lot of people lead me to believe that a lot of people lead me to believe that a lot of people though are primarily motivated by though are primarily motivated by though are primarily motivated by self-interest and that in a fighter self-interest and that in a fighter self-interest and that in a fighter flight situation most people will choose flight situation most people will choose flight situation most people will choose flight so I don't know if people are flight so I don't know if people are flight so I don't know if people are courageous as a whole but I think courageous as a whole but I think courageous as a whole but I think generally good but the energy to stand generally good but the energy to stand generally good but the energy to stand up for what's right not sure about that up for what's right not sure about that up for what's right not sure about that they have the capacity though to do good they have the capacity though to do good they have the capacity though to do good I think human beings are inherently I think human beings are inherently I think human beings are inherently selfish as well but I don't think that selfish as well but I don't think that selfish as well but I don't think that you selfish is inherently bad I think you selfish is inherently bad I think you selfish is inherently bad I think humans are primarily motivated by humans are primarily motivated by humans are primarily motivated by self-interest but generally have self-interest but generally have self-interest but generally have positive uh positive uh positive uh intentions I do hope more humans rise to intentions I do hope more humans rise to intentions I do hope more humans rise to the occasion and have courage courage of

the occasion and have courage courage of the occasion and have courage courage of their convictions courage to have their convictions courage to have their convictions courage to have integrity but yeah I I think that most integrity but yeah I I think that most integrity but yeah I I think that most people are good and they want to do good people are good and they want to do good people are good and they want to do good and they have the capacity to do a lot and they have the capacity to do a lot and they have the capacity to do a lot of good M um that's why I have hope for of good M um that's why I have hope for of good M um that's why I have hope for this whole thing we got going on how do this whole thing we got going on how do this whole thing we got going on how do you heal the misunderstandings between you heal the misunderstandings between you heal the misunderstandings between people you think listening it's the only people you think listening it's the only people you think listening it's the only option we have no forced education no option we have no forced education no option we have no forced education no like forc meetings or mediations between like forc meetings or mediations between like forc meetings or mediations between political opponents just listen to more political opponents just listen to more political opponents just listen to more people and really listen try to get rid people and really listen try to get rid people and really listen try to get rid of whatever preconceived notions you of whatever preconceived notions you of whatever preconceived notions you might have about how you should feel might have about how you should feel might have about how you should feel about someone you are supposed to about someone you are supposed to about someone you are supposed to disagree with and just keep your ears disagree with and just keep your ears disagree with and just keep your ears and your heart open to people that you and your heart open to people that you and your heart open to people that you don't know and your life will don't know and your life will don't know and your life will change keep your heart open a lot of change keep your heart open a lot of change keep your heart open a lot of people are scared to people are scared to people are scared to listen well Andrew I'm a big fan and listen well Andrew I'm a big fan and listen well Andrew I'm a big fan and thank you for being one of the best thank you for being one of the best thank you for being one of the best listeners in the world Amen and showing listeners in the world Amen and showing listeners in the world Amen and showing the full spectrum of humanity to us so the full spectrum of humanity to us so the full spectrum of humanity to us so we can listen as well and learn and just we can listen as well and learn and just we can listen as well and learn and just thank you for doing everything you're thank you for doing everything you're thank you for doing everything you're doing keep hey man thanks so much for doing keep hey man thanks so much for doing keep hey man thanks so much for having me on you're a great man thank having me on you're a great man thank having me on you're a great man thank you brother I appreciate it thanks for you brother I appreciate it thanks for you brother I appreciate it thanks for listening to this conversation with listening to this conversation with listening to this conversation with Andrew calan to support this podcast Andrew calan to support this podcast Andrew calan to support this podcast please check out our sponsors in the please check out our sponsors in the please check out our sponsors in the description and now let me leave you description and now let me leave you description and now let me leave you with some words from Hunter S Thompson with some words from Hunter S Thompson with some words from Hunter S Thompson The Edge there is no honest way to The Edge there is no honest way to The Edge there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who explain it because the only people who explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who really know where it is are the ones who really know where it is are the ones who have gone have gone have gone over thank you for listening and hope to over thank you for listening and hope to over thank you for listening and hope to see you next time