John Danaher: Grappling, Jiu Jitsu, ADCC, and Animal Combat | Lex Fridman Podcast #328

a male chimp is more than enough to kill a male chimp is more than enough to kill any human on the planet including Gordon any human on the planet including Gordon any human on the planet including Gordon Ryan so Gordon Ryan fighting a chimp a Ryan so Gordon Ryan fighting a chimp a Ryan so Gordon Ryan fighting a chimp a good sized no a thousand times how many good sized no a thousand times how many good sized no a thousand times how many times does he win he loses a thousand times does he win he loses a thousand times does he win he loses a thousand times times times it's not even competitive it's not even it's not even competitive it's not even it's not even competitive it's not even remotely compared do you think he will remotely compared do you think he will remotely compared do you think he will disagree disagree disagree no no no do you think anyone will disagree anyone do you think anyone will disagree anyone do you think anyone will disagree anyone yeah moron the following is a conversation with the following is a conversation with John donaher his third time on this John donaher his third time on this John donaher his third time on this podcast he's widely considered to be one podcast he's widely considered to be one podcast he's widely considered to be one of the greatest Minds in martial arts of the greatest Minds in martial arts of the greatest Minds in martial arts history history history this is a Lex Friedman podcast to this is a Lex Friedman podcast to this is a Lex Friedman podcast to support it please check out our sponsors support it please check out our sponsors support it please check out our sponsors in the description and now dear friends in the description and now dear friends in the description and now dear friends here's John donoher here's John donoher here's John donoher the ADCC is the Premier submission the ADCC is the Premier submission the ADCC is the Premier submission grappling tournament in the world we grappling tournament in the world we grappling tournament in the world we just had it a couple of weeks ago we saw just had it a couple of weeks ago we saw just had it a couple of weeks ago we saw many demonstrations of greatness from many demonstrations of greatness from many demonstrations of greatness from athletes you coached but a year ago athletes you coached but a year ago athletes you coached but a year ago the team and you were at a very low the team and you were at a very low the team and you were at a very low point point point take me through that Journey what was take me through that Journey what was take me through that Journey what was the lowest point we had a very very the lowest point we had a very very the lowest point we had a very very tight team for many years which began in tight team for many years which began in tight team for many years which began in New York City during the peak of covid New York City during the peak of covid New York City during the peak of covid training in New York became very training in New York became very training in New York became very difficult to sustain so most of the team difficult to sustain so most of the team difficult to sustain so most of the team despised the city of New York I I was despised the city of New York I I was despised the city of New York I I was the only person in the group that liked the only person in the group that liked the only person in the group that liked living in New York living in New York living in New York um I think part of the problem was that

um I think part of the problem was that um I think part of the problem was that I was the only one who actually lived in I was the only one who actually lived in I was the only one who actually lived in Manhattan the others had to commute to Manhattan the others had to commute to Manhattan the others had to commute to New York and there's a world of New York and there's a world of New York and there's a world of difference between living in New York difference between living in New York difference between living in New York and commuting to New York so most of and commuting to New York so most of and commuting to New York so most of them had a very negative view of New them had a very negative view of New them had a very negative view of New York City York City York City that was compounded by covid uh when that was compounded by covid uh when that was compounded by covid uh when even the basic Act of training became even the basic Act of training became even the basic Act of training became very very difficult and uh so everyone very very difficult and uh so everyone very very difficult and uh so everyone decided they want to leave so there was decided they want to leave so there was decided they want to leave so there was a prospect of a prospect of a prospect of a complete breakup between myself and a complete breakup between myself and a complete breakup between myself and the team or I would have to leave New the team or I would have to leave New the team or I would have to leave New York there was a difficult decision for York there was a difficult decision for York there was a difficult decision for me to make as I lived in New York for 30 me to make as I lived in New York for 30 me to make as I lived in New York for 30 years years years um I had built my life there and had um I had built my life there and had um I had built my life there and had most of my friends and Associates that I most of my friends and Associates that I most of my friends and Associates that I know here in America with New Yorkers know here in America with New Yorkers know here in America with New Yorkers so I thought you know these guys have so I thought you know these guys have so I thought you know these guys have been unstained uh incredibly loyal to me been unstained uh incredibly loyal to me been unstained uh incredibly loyal to me as students so as students so as students so I should also be loyal to them of course I should also be loyal to them of course I should also be loyal to them of course so I decided that if they wanted to so I decided that if they wanted to so I decided that if they wanted to leave I would go with them we decided uh leave I would go with them we decided uh leave I would go with them we decided uh to go to Puerto Rico because there was a to go to Puerto Rico because there was a to go to Puerto Rico because there was a a private gym where we could train a private gym where we could train a private gym where we could train through the covert period through the covert period through the covert period um I personally wanted to go to Texas I um I personally wanted to go to Texas I um I personally wanted to go to Texas I thought that Texas was a better place thought that Texas was a better place thought that Texas was a better place for the team to go but many of the for the team to go but many of the for the team to go but many of the students including senior students like students including senior students like students including senior students like Gordon Ryan Craig Jones had been to Gordon Ryan Craig Jones had been to Gordon Ryan Craig Jones had been to Puerto Rico and stayed with one of the Puerto Rico and stayed with one of the Puerto Rico and stayed with one of the head officials of ADCC Mo Jason head officials of ADCC Mo Jason head officials of ADCC Mo Jason so uh they loved their experience in so uh they loved their experience in so uh they loved their experience in Puerto Rico and uh almost everyone

Puerto Rico and uh almost everyone Puerto Rico and uh almost everyone wanted to go down there wanted to go down there wanted to go down there so I tried to explain to him there's a so I tried to explain to him there's a so I tried to explain to him there's a world of difference between going to a world of difference between going to a world of difference between going to a place for vacation versus living there place for vacation versus living there place for vacation versus living there but that didn't but that didn't but that didn't have any effect so the decision was made have any effect so the decision was made have any effect so the decision was made a majority decision was made to go to a majority decision was made to go to a majority decision was made to go to Puerto Rico Puerto Rico Puerto Rico um um um in Puerto Rico the conditions in which in Puerto Rico the conditions in which in Puerto Rico the conditions in which the team lived changed significantly the team lived changed significantly the team lived changed significantly when you're in New York New York is such when you're in New York New York is such when you're in New York New York is such a big city that if there's any a big city that if there's any a big city that if there's any uh tension between team members and and uh tension between team members and and uh tension between team members and and everybody there will be in a competitive everybody there will be in a competitive everybody there will be in a competitive sport where everyone's fighting each sport where everyone's fighting each sport where everyone's fighting each other you can kind of bury them in the other you can kind of bury them in the other you can kind of bury them in the size of the city because there's so many size of the city because there's so many size of the city because there's so many distractions in New York you know you distractions in New York you know you distractions in New York you know you come and you do your workout you go come and you do your workout you go come and you do your workout you go outside and it's New York City outside and it's New York City outside and it's New York City um in Puerto Rico we lived in a very um in Puerto Rico we lived in a very um in Puerto Rico we lived in a very small uh local Town Dorado and most of small uh local Town Dorado and most of small uh local Town Dorado and most of the athletes were living with each other the athletes were living with each other the athletes were living with each other and so unlike New York where there was and so unlike New York where there was and so unlike New York where there was always a break you trained together but always a break you trained together but always a break you trained together but when training was over you went about when training was over you went about when training was over you went about your life in New York and New Jersey your life in New York and New Jersey your life in New York and New Jersey um with everyone living in very close um with everyone living in very close um with everyone living in very close proximity to each other any tensions proximity to each other any tensions proximity to each other any tensions got magnified because there was no got magnified because there was no got magnified because there was no relief from them you didn't get to get relief from them you didn't get to get relief from them you didn't get to get away from people if you had a problem away from people if you had a problem away from people if you had a problem with someone on the mat well now you had with someone on the mat well now you had with someone on the mat well now you had to to live with them for uh the rest of to to live with them for uh the rest of to to live with them for uh the rest of the day and the night and this goes on the day and the night and this goes on the day and the night and this goes on for long periods of time so I believe it for long periods of time so I believe it for long periods of time so I believe it had the effect of magnifying whatever had the effect of magnifying whatever had the effect of magnifying whatever tensions there were in particular there

tensions there were in particular there tensions there were in particular there was a uh a family tension between two was a uh a family tension between two was a uh a family tension between two brothers which magnified over time brothers which magnified over time brothers which magnified over time um um um uh and you know as so often as the case uh and you know as so often as the case uh and you know as so often as the case you get two brothers growing up one you get two brothers growing up one you get two brothers growing up one older one younger and the younger one older one younger and the younger one older one younger and the younger one wants to wants to wants to grow and uh and feel somewhat like a grow and uh and feel somewhat like a grow and uh and feel somewhat like a young tree underneath a bigger tree and young tree underneath a bigger tree and young tree underneath a bigger tree and um uh sometimes people just need their um uh sometimes people just need their um uh sometimes people just need their space so there was there was some space so there was there was some space so there was there was some unhappiness and um as a younger brother unhappiness and um as a younger brother unhappiness and um as a younger brother I can understand yeah yeah there's a I can understand yeah yeah there's a I can understand yeah yeah there's a little tree that had to grow up under a little tree that had to grow up under a little tree that had to grow up under a bigotry yeah so um fuck the big tree bigotry yeah so um fuck the big tree bigotry yeah so um fuck the big tree there's a lot of aggression there's a lot of aggression there's a lot of aggression unresolved family issues unresolved family issues unresolved family issues I love you he doesn't he's lying I love you he doesn't he's lying I love you he doesn't he's lying so uh as time went by these these so uh as time went by these these so uh as time went by these these tensions started uh increasing they came tensions started uh increasing they came tensions started uh increasing they came to a point where to a point where to a point where um it was difficult for them even to be um it was difficult for them even to be um it was difficult for them even to be in the training room together at that in the training room together at that in the training room together at that point you're starting to you know when point you're starting to you know when point you're starting to you know when Once training takes a hit then you Once training takes a hit then you Once training takes a hit then you you've got to start to address these you've got to start to address these you've got to start to address these um the attempts at reconciliation um the attempts at reconciliation um the attempts at reconciliation uh fell through and uh uh fell through and uh uh fell through and uh a decision was made to to move to Texas a decision was made to to move to Texas a decision was made to to move to Texas I wanted everyone to move as a team I wanted everyone to move as a team I wanted everyone to move as a team what I wanted to do was keep the team what I wanted to do was keep the team what I wanted to do was keep the team together together together as long as the period leading up to 80cc as long as the period leading up to 80cc as long as the period leading up to 80cc so that everyone could train together

so that everyone could train together so that everyone could train together so I said okay there's problems but so I said okay there's problems but so I said okay there's problems but let's just tough it out one year we let's just tough it out one year we let's just tough it out one year we moved to Texas moved to Texas moved to Texas let's just go there and keep Unity if let's just go there and keep Unity if let's just go there and keep Unity if some people don't want to train with some people don't want to train with some people don't want to train with other people that's fine but I believe other people that's fine but I believe other people that's fine but I believe that the team would be weakened by that the team would be weakened by that the team would be weakened by breaking apart I believe that they had breaking apart I believe that they had breaking apart I believe that they had an excellent Rapport as training an excellent Rapport as training an excellent Rapport as training Partners the technical level was Partners the technical level was Partners the technical level was increasing dramatically increasing dramatically increasing dramatically many of the younger athletes are really many of the younger athletes are really many of the younger athletes are really starting to come into their own and starting to come into their own and starting to come into their own and really develop well and so my take on it really develop well and so my take on it really develop well and so my take on it was okay if there's problems was okay if there's problems was okay if there's problems so be it but let's all just stay so be it but let's all just stay so be it but let's all just stay together until 80cc 2022 was a unified together until 80cc 2022 was a unified together until 80cc 2022 was a unified team go out prepare yourselves as best team go out prepare yourselves as best team go out prepare yourselves as best you can and you can and you can and um uh and then after that we can make a um uh and then after that we can make a um uh and then after that we can make a decision as to whether we break up or decision as to whether we break up or decision as to whether we break up or not not not um but that was rejected and uh the team um but that was rejected and uh the team um but that was rejected and uh the team split and split and split and um uh they moved to Austin uh We've made um uh they moved to Austin uh We've made um uh they moved to Austin uh We've made prior arrangements to go to a local gym prior arrangements to go to a local gym prior arrangements to go to a local gym and they took that jam and uh we were and they took that jam and uh we were and they took that jam and uh we were left with no gym and more or less left with no gym and more or less left with no gym and more or less homeless in uh in Austin so uh a year homeless in uh in Austin so uh a year homeless in uh in Austin so uh a year out from ADCC yes this is one year out out from ADCC yes this is one year out out from ADCC yes this is one year out so roughly three quarters of the uh so roughly three quarters of the uh so roughly three quarters of the uh competitive athletes left in in one week competitive athletes left in in one week competitive athletes left in in one week um so uh at that point uh that was um so uh at that point uh that was um so uh at that point uh that was probably the lowest point because at probably the lowest point because at probably the lowest point because at that point not only did we not have a that point not only did we not have a that point not only did we not have a place to train

place to train place to train um we had very few training partners for um we had very few training partners for um we had very few training partners for the few that had remained the few that had remained the few that had remained and um uh the main athlete in the team and um uh the main athlete in the team and um uh the main athlete in the team Gordon Ryan was going through a Gordon Ryan was going through a Gordon Ryan was going through a particularly bad spell with his particularly bad spell with his particularly bad spell with his unresolved stomach issues and there was unresolved stomach issues and there was unresolved stomach issues and there was doubt as to whether or not he could doubt as to whether or not he could doubt as to whether or not he could compete at all and was actively thinking compete at all and was actively thinking compete at all and was actively thinking about retiring from the sport so maybe about retiring from the sport so maybe about retiring from the sport so maybe not compete ever again potentially yeah not compete ever again potentially yeah not compete ever again potentially yeah yeah so that was a time when he's like yeah so that was a time when he's like yeah so that was a time when he's like man this is the whole program seems to man this is the whole program seems to man this is the whole program seems to be dead in the water at this point be dead in the water at this point be dead in the water at this point um most of the competitive athletes were um most of the competitive athletes were um most of the competitive athletes were gone there were very few training gone there were very few training gone there were very few training partners for the few that remained and partners for the few that remained and partners for the few that remained and the main athlete around whom the group the main athlete around whom the group the main athlete around whom the group had initially bonded had initially bonded had initially bonded um was seemingly out of action possibly um was seemingly out of action possibly um was seemingly out of action possibly permanently permanently permanently where is your mind or were you mentally where is your mind or were you mentally where is your mind or were you mentally my my thinking is my my thinking is my my thinking is everything bad passes in time I've had a everything bad passes in time I've had a everything bad passes in time I've had a lot of bad points in my life so um uh my lot of bad points in my life so um uh my lot of bad points in my life so um uh my life experiences whenever things seem life experiences whenever things seem life experiences whenever things seem dark dark dark have patience time will ultimately cure have patience time will ultimately cure have patience time will ultimately cure most ills not all of them but most of most ills not all of them but most of most ills not all of them but most of them and them and them and um uh I'm confident that if you give me um uh I'm confident that if you give me um uh I'm confident that if you give me a new crop of students I can a new crop of students I can a new crop of students I can I can produce magic but it's going to I can produce magic but it's going to I can produce magic but it's going to take time so that conference was in part take time so that conference was in part take time so that conference was in part a source of strength yes it's just like a source of strength yes it's just like a source of strength yes it's just like I I wasn't confident that ADCC 2022 I I wasn't confident that ADCC 2022 I I wasn't confident that ADCC 2022 would go well because we only had one

would go well because we only had one would go well because we only had one year without a gym and with a team that year without a gym and with a team that year without a gym and with a team that was completely broken up to um to to was completely broken up to um to to was completely broken up to um to to even an attempt to get into ADCC even an attempt to get into ADCC even an attempt to get into ADCC so um uh things looked a little Grim but so um uh things looked a little Grim but so um uh things looked a little Grim but I was confident you know given enough I was confident you know given enough I was confident you know given enough time I get in a new uh group of students time I get in a new uh group of students time I get in a new uh group of students and and work and and work and and work um as it turns out uh one of um as it turns out uh one of um as it turns out uh one of the uh demonstration partners that uh I the uh demonstration partners that uh I the uh demonstration partners that uh I used during filming for instructional used during filming for instructional used during filming for instructional videos who lives in Boston uh John Carla videos who lives in Boston uh John Carla videos who lives in Boston uh John Carla badoni was interested in the idea of badoni was interested in the idea of badoni was interested in the idea of coming down and training but he'd always coming down and training but he'd always coming down and training but he'd always felt like it would be difficult because felt like it would be difficult because felt like it would be difficult because there were people in his weight class there were people in his weight class there were people in his weight class who were already there and he felt it who were already there and he felt it who were already there and he felt it would be awkward would be awkward would be awkward um but now that they had left that um but now that they had left that um but now that they had left that opened up an area for him so he was the opened up an area for him so he was the opened up an area for him so he was the first one to come down he moved from first one to come down he moved from first one to come down he moved from Boston to um uh Austin Texas Boston to um uh Austin Texas Boston to um uh Austin Texas I began teaching at a local school it I began teaching at a local school it I began teaching at a local school it was rather like going back into my was rather like going back into my was rather like going back into my earliest days in judici I went from earliest days in judici I went from earliest days in judici I went from teaching at the big henzo Gracie Academy teaching at the big henzo Gracie Academy teaching at the big henzo Gracie Academy to a tiny school in Puerto Rico and now to a tiny school in Puerto Rico and now to a tiny school in Puerto Rico and now an even smaller School in Austin Texas an even smaller School in Austin Texas an even smaller School in Austin Texas and locals would come in and train and I and locals would come in and train and I and locals would come in and train and I would watch every day teaching their would watch every day teaching their would watch every day teaching their twice a day seven days a week and I twice a day seven days a week and I twice a day seven days a week and I would see people come in and train and I would see people come in and train and I would see people come in and train and I would say this guy has some potential would say this guy has some potential would say this guy has some potential this guy has some potential and I would this guy has some potential and I would this guy has some potential and I would recruit people and bring them to another recruit people and bring them to another recruit people and bring them to another gym where they would train with the gym where they would train with the gym where they would train with the professionals and if they proved adapt

professionals and if they proved adapt professionals and if they proved adapt and hardworking and someone who can work and hardworking and someone who can work and hardworking and someone who can work well in a team they would stay and build well in a team they would stay and build well in a team they would stay and build their skills as time went by their skills as time went by their skills as time went by um more and more such people started um more and more such people started um more and more such people started coming in and we had some remarkable coming in and we had some remarkable coming in and we had some remarkable people like a young South African purple people like a young South African purple people like a young South African purple belt Luke Griffith came in he had lost belt Luke Griffith came in he had lost belt Luke Griffith came in he had lost in the European trials for ADCC and he in the European trials for ADCC and he in the European trials for ADCC and he was down on his luck he came into Austin was down on his luck he came into Austin was down on his luck he came into Austin he did a show against a local purple he did a show against a local purple he did a show against a local purple about and lost again so he was a about and lost again so he was a about and lost again so he was a uh feeling bad about his performance in uh feeling bad about his performance in uh feeling bad about his performance in his future and he came in and I thought his future and he came in and I thought his future and he came in and I thought he was a lovely kid who worked hard and he was a lovely kid who worked hard and he was a lovely kid who worked hard and trained well trained well trained well um so he became one of the main training um so he became one of the main training um so he became one of the main training partners he was similar size to Gordon partners he was similar size to Gordon partners he was similar size to Gordon so I encouraged him to train with with so I encouraged him to train with with so I encouraged him to train with with Gordon whenever he could Gordon whenever he could Gordon whenever he could and he more and more people started and he more and more people started and he more and more people started coming into the train under that kind of coming into the train under that kind of coming into the train under that kind of basis basis basis um one day I got a text from uh Gordon um one day I got a text from uh Gordon um one day I got a text from uh Gordon who was filming an instructional video who was filming an instructional video who was filming an instructional video in Boston he said hey you know Nicholas in Boston he said hey you know Nicholas in Boston he said hey you know Nicholas murugali was training at this he was murugali was training at this he was murugali was training at this he was shooting video at the same time as me shooting video at the same time as me shooting video at the same time as me and we we just uh did some grappling and we we just uh did some grappling and we we just uh did some grappling he's a really nice guy and he's he's a really nice guy and he's he's a really nice guy and he's literally never trained with without a literally never trained with without a literally never trained with without a gear before he's for those of you who gear before he's for those of you who gear before he's for those of you who don't know Nicholas murugali is a one of don't know Nicholas murugali is a one of don't know Nicholas murugali is a one of the outstanding gee Jiu Jitsu the outstanding gee Jiu Jitsu the outstanding gee Jiu Jitsu competitors of his Generation competitors of his Generation competitors of his Generation Um has an amazing game and is a Um has an amazing game and is a Um has an amazing game and is a superstar with the uh the ghee side of superstar with the uh the ghee side of superstar with the uh the ghee side of the sport but it never even trained the sport but it never even trained the sport but it never even trained without a ghee once in his life so his without a ghee once in his life so his without a ghee once in his life so his first ever first ever first ever no ghee training session is with Gordon

no ghee training session is with Gordon no ghee training session is with Gordon Ryan the best no geek competitor of all Ryan the best no geek competitor of all Ryan the best no geek competitor of all time and I remember Gordon texting me time and I remember Gordon texting me time and I remember Gordon texting me saying he's really talented he's a nice saying he's really talented he's a nice saying he's really talented he's a nice guy and um he wants to come down to guy and um he wants to come down to guy and um he wants to come down to Texas and train so yeah sounds great so Texas and train so yeah sounds great so Texas and train so yeah sounds great so over time just more and more people over time just more and more people over time just more and more people started coming in and started coming in and started coming in and um uh I told everyone like you guys are um uh I told everyone like you guys are um uh I told everyone like you guys are at a severe disadvantage like you're at a severe disadvantage like you're at a severe disadvantage like you're you've got very little time to get ready you've got very little time to get ready you've got very little time to get ready for ADCC Luke wasn't even an ACC had to for ADCC Luke wasn't even an ACC had to for ADCC Luke wasn't even an ACC had to win trials same for uh Dan manisoy who win trials same for uh Dan manisoy who win trials same for uh Dan manisoy who he had failed at trials and needed to he had failed at trials and needed to he had failed at trials and needed to get a win to even get into ADCC get a win to even get into ADCC get a win to even get into ADCC so around this time a doctor suggested so around this time a doctor suggested so around this time a doctor suggested by Moe jasm who had himself had stomach by Moe jasm who had himself had stomach by Moe jasm who had himself had stomach issues earlier in his life began working issues earlier in his life began working issues earlier in his life began working with Gordon Ryan and Moe's the organizer with Gordon Ryan and Moe's the organizer with Gordon Ryan and Moe's the organizer of ADC yes of ADC yes of ADC yes he's the uh the head organizer he's the uh the head organizer he's the uh the head organizer um he um he um he was able to get Gordon Ryan not cured was able to get Gordon Ryan not cured was able to get Gordon Ryan not cured but significantly better than he was but significantly better than he was but significantly better than he was before and before and before and to a level where Gordon could could to a level where Gordon could could to a level where Gordon could could train up to five to six days a week train up to five to six days a week train up to five to six days a week and it was a big Improvement on what was and it was a big Improvement on what was and it was a big Improvement on what was going on during the end of the time in going on during the end of the time in going on during the end of the time in Puerto Rico Puerto Rico Puerto Rico so things started moving we had a core so things started moving we had a core so things started moving we had a core group of athletes uh training at a local group of athletes uh training at a local group of athletes uh training at a local gym gym gym which was very very generously offered which was very very generously offered which was very very generously offered to us by uh

to us by uh to us by uh the head manager of Roca sunglasses a the head manager of Roca sunglasses a the head manager of Roca sunglasses a company here in Austin Texas they have a company here in Austin Texas they have a company here in Austin Texas they have a private corporate gym which we were able private corporate gym which we were able private corporate gym which we were able to train in to train in to train in and these talented youngsters from and these talented youngsters from and these talented youngsters from around the globe essentially came around the globe essentially came around the globe essentially came together and I said you guys are gonna together and I said you guys are gonna together and I said you guys are gonna have to train harder than you've ever have to train harder than you've ever have to train harder than you've ever trained in your life because you've got trained in your life because you've got trained in your life because you've got less time to get ready for this than less time to get ready for this than less time to get ready for this than anyone and uh you're going to be going anyone and uh you're going to be going anyone and uh you're going to be going up against people potentially who up against people potentially who up against people potentially who know exactly what I teach because I've know exactly what I teach because I've know exactly what I teach because I've been teaching them a lot longer they've been teaching them a lot longer they've been teaching them a lot longer they've been teaching you in addition to the been teaching you in addition to the been teaching you in addition to the other best people in the world so it was other best people in the world so it was other best people in the world so it was a uh an incredible challenge for them a uh an incredible challenge for them a uh an incredible challenge for them and I must say all of them and I must say all of them and I must say all of them gave literally everything they had gave literally everything they had gave literally everything they had everything I asked for they gave twice everything I asked for they gave twice everything I asked for they gave twice as much and um we had a crazy training as much and um we had a crazy training as much and um we had a crazy training schedule as many as three classes per schedule as many as three classes per schedule as many as three classes per day I know that sounds easy you know day I know that sounds easy you know day I know that sounds easy you know three classes a day but try doing it three classes a day but try doing it three classes a day but try doing it sometime these classes are not your sometime these classes are not your sometime these classes are not your average classes these are preparation average classes these are preparation average classes these are preparation for 80cc for 80cc for 80cc as they're both mentally and physically as they're both mentally and physically as they're both mentally and physically very very hard and um uh we had many very very hard and um uh we had many very very hard and um uh we had many people come in and try to train people come in and try to train people come in and try to train alongside us and they fell alongside us and they fell alongside us and they fell off by the side of the road within Days off by the side of the road within Days off by the side of the road within Days forget about weeks months or a full year forget about weeks months or a full year forget about weeks months or a full year of this of this of this um um um I gave a very abbreviated set of skills I gave a very abbreviated set of skills I gave a very abbreviated set of skills for the athletes I chopped everything for the athletes I chopped everything for the athletes I chopped everything down to what I believed were the the

down to what I believed were the the down to what I believed were the the most essential skills most essential skills most essential skills um uh anything that wasn't essential to um uh anything that wasn't essential to um uh anything that wasn't essential to ADCC preparation was just pushed aside ADCC preparation was just pushed aside ADCC preparation was just pushed aside and and and um they had to focus almost entirely on um they had to focus almost entirely on um they had to focus almost entirely on ADCC with one exception I'll come to ADCC with one exception I'll come to ADCC with one exception I'll come to that soon that soon that soon um of the the period of their training um of the the period of their training um of the the period of their training here in Austin so it was here in Austin so it was here in Austin so it was compacted by time and also by uh the compacted by time and also by uh the compacted by time and also by uh the breadth of skill that I taught breadth of skill that I taught breadth of skill that I taught everything was just purely for ADCC everything was just purely for ADCC everything was just purely for ADCC preparation in a very short period of preparation in a very short period of preparation in a very short period of time uh Dan manisoyo and Luke Griffith time uh Dan manisoyo and Luke Griffith time uh Dan manisoyo and Luke Griffith and Oliver Taza all won European trials and Oliver Taza all won European trials and Oliver Taza all won European trials and got into ADCC Nicholas murugali was and got into ADCC Nicholas murugali was and got into ADCC Nicholas murugali was already a superstar so he was invited already a superstar so he was invited already a superstar so he was invited but he had to show himself so we but he had to show himself so we but he had to show himself so we enrolled him in local enrolled him in local enrolled him in local shows here in Austin where he had his shows here in Austin where he had his shows here in Austin where he had his first three uh no game matches first three uh no game matches first three uh no game matches um um um and with each match you could see and with each match you could see and with each match you could see progress being made and so that progress being made and so that progress being made and so that convinced the 80cc people okay he's good convinced the 80cc people okay he's good convinced the 80cc people okay he's good enough to to compete enough to to compete enough to to compete um he ended up winning decisively a um he ended up winning decisively a um he ended up winning decisively a match against one of the greatest match against one of the greatest match against one of the greatest American Grapplers of all time Raphael American Grapplers of all time Raphael American Grapplers of all time Raphael Lovato and this was like a clear sign Lovato and this was like a clear sign Lovato and this was like a clear sign that his that his that his skill level and nogi was sufficient to skill level and nogi was sufficient to skill level and nogi was sufficient to to justify and invite to justify and invite to justify and invite and by the way Lovato had an incredible and by the way Lovato had an incredible and by the way Lovato had an incredible uh uh uh set of matches in this ADCC yes that was set of matches in this ADCC yes that was set of matches in this ADCC yes that was actually very impressive and retired actually very impressive and retired actually very impressive and retired yeah yeah yeah which is a really impressive and which is a really impressive and which is a really impressive and heartbreaking as well but if you go out heartbreaking as well but if you go out heartbreaking as well but if you go out that's a good way to go out indeed

that's a good way to go out indeed that's a good way to go out indeed so there was this um uh long and tough so there was this um uh long and tough so there was this um uh long and tough preparation and it was compounded by the preparation and it was compounded by the preparation and it was compounded by the fact that it's golden felt better he fact that it's golden felt better he fact that it's golden felt better he felt a need to felt a need to felt a need to build up his own competitive record build up his own competitive record build up his own competitive record prior to ADCC prior to ADCC prior to ADCC because he'd been inactive for so long because he'd been inactive for so long because he'd been inactive for so long with his stomach issue so he proposed with his stomach issue so he proposed with his stomach issue so he proposed one of the most ambitious one of the most ambitious one of the most ambitious fight games that I've ever heard of in fight games that I've ever heard of in fight games that I've ever heard of in grappling which was he would take on the grappling which was he would take on the grappling which was he would take on the current wno champion Pedro Mourinho current wno champion Pedro Mourinho current wno champion Pedro Mourinho who's number one is w owner yeah and who's number one is w owner yeah and who's number one is w owner yeah and also I believe the current uh no nogi also I believe the current uh no nogi also I believe the current uh no nogi world champion and IBG if world champion and IBG if world champion and IBG if so tune-up match as a warm-up match then so tune-up match as a warm-up match then so tune-up match as a warm-up match then he would fight his old nemesis he would fight his old nemesis he would fight his old nemesis uh Felipe Pena the only man who uh Felipe Pena the only man who uh Felipe Pena the only man who submitted Gordon at black dalt and had submitted Gordon at black dalt and had submitted Gordon at black dalt and had defeated Gordon in an 80cc match in defeated Gordon in an 80cc match in defeated Gordon in an 80cc match in 2017. 2017. 2017. and then ADCC itself so there was going and then ADCC itself so there was going and then ADCC itself so there was going to be three big high profile matches to be three big high profile matches to be three big high profile matches back to back and uh back to back and uh back to back and uh and very different rule sets so wno was and very different rule sets so wno was and very different rule sets so wno was a 15-minute match uh the fight with a 15-minute match uh the fight with a 15-minute match uh the fight with Felipe Pena was no time limit which is a Felipe Pena was no time limit which is a Felipe Pena was no time limit which is a very different format to compete in and very different format to compete in and very different format to compete in and then ADCC so we had to drag out a then ADCC so we had to drag out a then ADCC so we had to drag out a 14-week cam covering three matches with 14-week cam covering three matches with 14-week cam covering three matches with three different rule sets which went and three different rule sets which went and three different rule sets which went and diametrically opposite directions and diametrically opposite directions and diametrically opposite directions and the entire team had to go through all of the entire team had to go through all of the entire team had to go through all of this over this 14-week period in

this over this 14-week period in this over this 14-week period in addition to the previous year that they addition to the previous year that they addition to the previous year that they had been working hard had been working hard had been working hard um there was a further complication in um there was a further complication in um there was a further complication in the midst of all this Nicholas murugali the midst of all this Nicholas murugali the midst of all this Nicholas murugali had to go to the ghee World had to go to the ghee World had to go to the ghee World Championships and we had to throw an Championships and we had to throw an Championships and we had to throw an extra morning class for that to help him extra morning class for that to help him extra morning class for that to help him get ready get ready get ready um Nicholas went on to win the open um Nicholas went on to win the open um Nicholas went on to win the open weight gold medal in Ziggy competition weight gold medal in Ziggy competition weight gold medal in Ziggy competition and then the next day he had to come and then the next day he had to come and then the next day he had to come back to Texas and begin his ADCC back to Texas and begin his ADCC back to Texas and begin his ADCC preparation it was a crazy crazy time preparation it was a crazy crazy time preparation it was a crazy crazy time um but they all came through it so well um but they all came through it so well um but they all came through it so well I'm I'm immensely proud of what they did I'm I'm immensely proud of what they did I'm I'm immensely proud of what they did and shockingly in the space of less than and shockingly in the space of less than and shockingly in the space of less than 12 months we went from Rock Bottom to 12 months we went from Rock Bottom to 12 months we went from Rock Bottom to having a more successful ADCC having a more successful ADCC having a more successful ADCC uh team performance than we did the uh team performance than we did the uh team performance than we did the previous ADCC previous ADCC previous ADCC um uh it was in fact the most successful um uh it was in fact the most successful um uh it was in fact the most successful team performance of the event and as team performance of the event and as team performance of the event and as testimony to how hard those those young testimony to how hard those those young testimony to how hard those those young men uh worked in uh in the course of men uh worked in uh in the course of men uh worked in uh in the course of less than a year to prepare themselves less than a year to prepare themselves less than a year to prepare themselves if we can just Linger on the low point if we can just Linger on the low point if we can just Linger on the low point is it heartbreaking to you that is it heartbreaking to you that is it heartbreaking to you that the so-called Donahue death squad split the so-called Donahue death squad split the so-called Donahue death squad split or the team as it was originally called or the team as it was originally called or the team as it was originally called split split split you know we live a short life on this you know we live a short life on this you know we live a short life on this Earth and you put so much of your love Earth and you put so much of your love Earth and you put so much of your love and work into this team and everybody and work into this team and everybody and work into this team and everybody put in the work does it break your heart put in the work does it break your heart put in the work does it break your heart it was a sad time yeah it was it was a sad time yeah it was it was a sad time yeah it was um it was uh um it was uh um it was uh you know I'm not a particularly

you know I'm not a particularly you know I'm not a particularly emotional person emotional person emotional person um but it was a it was an emotional time um but it was a it was an emotional time um but it was a it was an emotional time for everyone it was I had an element of for everyone it was I had an element of for everyone it was I had an element of tragedy in so far as Not only was it a tragedy in so far as Not only was it a tragedy in so far as Not only was it a team breakup it was also a family team breakup it was also a family team breakup it was also a family breakup which is much more serious breakup which is much more serious breakup which is much more serious um I do believe that in time uh even the most intense family breakups even the most intense family breakups can be reconciled and I also believe can be reconciled and I also believe can be reconciled and I also believe that once dialogue begins that once dialogue begins that once dialogue begins people will remember people will remember people will remember just how easy it was for us to get along just how easy it was for us to get along just how easy it was for us to get along and how tight we were for many many and how tight we were for many many and how tight we were for many many years years years um it's so easy to let um it's so easy to let um it's so easy to let a minute of anger destroy a minute of anger destroy a minute of anger destroy 10 years of of uh of friendship so 10 years of of uh of friendship so 10 years of of uh of friendship so but there's also the weight of those 10 but there's also the weight of those 10 but there's also the weight of those 10 years like years like years like um when I ran into the old Squad members um when I ran into the old Squad members um when I ran into the old Squad members at ADCC we got along like a house on at ADCC we got along like a house on at ADCC we got along like a house on fire it's like we never had a problem fire it's like we never had a problem fire it's like we never had a problem um so a house on fire is a good thing um so a house on fire is a good thing um so a house on fire is a good thing yes yes sorry that's a New Zealand yes yes sorry that's a New Zealand yes yes sorry that's a New Zealand expression yeah expression yeah expression yeah um uh yeah that definitely could have um uh yeah that definitely could have um uh yeah that definitely could have gone the other way right gone the other way right gone the other way right um so only in New Zealand I would say um so only in New Zealand I would say um so only in New Zealand I would say that it's a good thing yeah that it's a good thing yeah that it's a good thing yeah um so there's there's I I still believe um so there's there's I I still believe um so there's there's I I still believe you know in in time things will be fine you know in in time things will be fine you know in in time things will be fine but but but um um um there was an element where you know there was an element where you know there was an element where you know youngsters need to grow and um uh youngsters need to grow and um uh youngsters need to grow and um uh sometimes

think think about it this way from The think think about it this way from The Athlete's perspective there's a definitely a generational there's a definitely a generational problem I'm much older than my students problem I'm much older than my students problem I'm much older than my students okay and the the the years and the okay and the the the years and the okay and the the the years and the Viewpoint that I have is a reflection of Viewpoint that I have is a reflection of Viewpoint that I have is a reflection of the time in which I grew up the time in which I grew up the time in which I grew up and uh they're from a completely and uh they're from a completely and uh they're from a completely different generation with a completely different generation with a completely different generation with a completely different world view different world view different world view um it's it's got to be hard from The um it's it's got to be hard from The um it's it's got to be hard from The Athlete's perspective when you're Athlete's perspective when you're Athlete's perspective when you're training seven days a week and you training seven days a week and you training seven days a week and you you're getting very very good you're you're getting very very good you're you're getting very very good you're beating everyone that's getting getting beating everyone that's getting getting beating everyone that's getting getting put in front of you and you're losing put in front of you and you're losing put in front of you and you're losing very very rarely and it's always a tough very very rarely and it's always a tough very very rarely and it's always a tough competitive match when you do competitive match when you do competitive match when you do everyone around you is calling you a everyone around you is calling you a everyone around you is calling you a superstar superstar superstar and you look phenomenal and you look phenomenal and you look phenomenal you check social media everyone's saying you check social media everyone's saying you check social media everyone's saying you're you're a God on the mat you're you're a God on the mat you're you're a God on the mat and then you come into the gym there's and then you come into the gym there's and then you come into the gym there's some old guy telling you you're not good some old guy telling you you're not good some old guy telling you you're not good enough and every day it's like oh what does and every day it's like oh what does this guy want from me how how hard do I this guy want from me how how hard do I this guy want from me how how hard do I have to work like you're not good enough have to work like you're not good enough have to work like you're not good enough like I want you to be the best in the like I want you to be the best in the like I want you to be the best in the world I want you to be good I want you world I want you to be good I want you world I want you to be good I want you to be great to be great to be great and all your friends are telling you all and all your friends are telling you all and all your friends are telling you all day man you're incredible you submit me day man you're incredible you submit me day man you're incredible you submit me so easily do this to you and then this so easily do this to you and then this so easily do this to you and then this old guys are saying that old guys are saying that old guys are saying that you got to get better you got to work you got to get better you got to work you got to get better you got to work more you're not working hard enough at some point you're going to be like at some point you're going to be like you know what fuck this old guy you know what fuck this old guy you know what fuck this old guy like it's it's tough you know mentally I like it's it's tough you know mentally I like it's it's tough you know mentally I I get my you know they lasted when I was I get my you know they lasted when I was I get my you know they lasted when I was 20 years old I didn't get along with

20 years old I didn't get along with 20 years old I didn't get along with authority figures at all and um uh to authority figures at all and um uh to authority figures at all and um uh to have someone telling you you've always have someone telling you you've always have someone telling you you've always got to work that little bit harder got to work that little bit harder got to work that little bit harder though your skill set's not complete you though your skill set's not complete you though your skill set's not complete you still need this this and this when still need this this and this when still need this this and this when you're already you're already you're already doing very very well and far better than doing very very well and far better than doing very very well and far better than all what a tiny tiny percentage of all what a tiny tiny percentage of all what a tiny tiny percentage of people and then you've got this guy just people and then you've got this guy just people and then you've got this guy just constantly telling you no more has to be constantly telling you no more has to be constantly telling you no more has to be done you're not there yet done you're not there yet done you're not there yet um I can you know of course I understand um I can you know of course I understand um I can you know of course I understand you just when let me just enjoy this you just when let me just enjoy this you just when let me just enjoy this more like it's always a choice in life more like it's always a choice in life more like it's always a choice in life do you you can be the best you possibly do you you can be the best you possibly do you you can be the best you possibly can or you can can or you can can or you can go around where you just get to enjoy go around where you just get to enjoy go around where you just get to enjoy life a little more you do other things life a little more you do other things life a little more you do other things you know like there's more of a to life you know like there's more of a to life you know like there's more of a to life than just the inside of a gym and than just the inside of a gym and than just the inside of a gym and learning how to do a better heel hook or learning how to do a better heel hook or learning how to do a better heel hook or a better double leg a better double leg a better double leg um so of course you know years go by you um so of course you know years go by you um so of course you know years go by you want to try other things and want to try other things and want to try other things and um uh you have to make this choice in um uh you have to make this choice in um uh you have to make this choice in life between life between life between extreme Excellence versus being extreme Excellence versus being extreme Excellence versus being incredibly good but maybe just enjoying incredibly good but maybe just enjoying incredibly good but maybe just enjoying my life a little more it's so my life a little more it's so my life a little more it's so interesting that incredibly good is a interesting that incredibly good is a interesting that incredibly good is a hard thing to deal with I saw like when hard thing to deal with I saw like when hard thing to deal with I saw like when Kayla Harrison won her first gold medal Kayla Harrison won her first gold medal Kayla Harrison won her first gold medal and uh the Olympics and uh the Olympics and uh the Olympics you know to go back to the gym and to you know to go back to the gym and to you know to go back to the gym and to trust again the maybe the old man you're trust again the maybe the old man you're trust again the maybe the old man you're you're being do washing yourself but to you're being do washing yourself but to you're being do washing yourself but to trust the old man so Jimmy pager on trust the old man so Jimmy pager on trust the old man so Jimmy pager on Jimmy pager senior in that case to say Jimmy pager senior in that case to say Jimmy pager senior in that case to say okay we're gonna go back to this grind okay we're gonna go back to this grind okay we're gonna go back to this grind and there's still a path to Improvement

and there's still a path to Improvement and there's still a path to Improvement there's still a lot to grow and still there's still a lot to grow and still there's still a lot to grow and still have the humility even though you've have the humility even though you've have the humility even though you've just demonstrated greatness so really just demonstrated greatness so really just demonstrated greatness so really good is just a stepping stone to to to good is just a stepping stone to to to good is just a stepping stone to to to to Greatness that's really tough for to Greatness that's really tough for to Greatness that's really tough for athletes like winning is actually very athletes like winning is actually very athletes like winning is actually very difficult gold medals are very difficult difficult gold medals are very difficult difficult gold medals are very difficult plus there's the personal stuff of plus there's the personal stuff of plus there's the personal stuff of depression that comes with that which is depression that comes with that which is depression that comes with that which is you give so much of yourself to trying you give so much of yourself to trying you give so much of yourself to trying to win that and once you do to win that and once you do to win that and once you do there's a lot of personal stuff you have there's a lot of personal stuff you have there's a lot of personal stuff you have to deal with which is like to deal with which is like to deal with which is like what what uh what do I want from life what what uh what do I want from life what what uh what do I want from life to understand what is exactly what am I to understand what is exactly what am I to understand what is exactly what am I chasing is it just winning or is it some chasing is it just winning or is it some chasing is it just winning or is it some bigger picture of Excellence that's bigger picture of Excellence that's bigger picture of Excellence that's beyond just winning so that that's all beyond just winning so that that's all beyond just winning so that that's all all that mixed up together and then when all that mixed up together and then when all that mixed up together and then when you have to be as a team really close you have to be as a team really close you have to be as a team really close together there's the personal together there's the personal together there's the personal relationships all that gets exacerbated relationships all that gets exacerbated relationships all that gets exacerbated yeah do you think the team ever gets yeah do you think the team ever gets yeah do you think the team ever gets back together back together back together I think there's all you know there's I think there's all you know there's I think there's all you know there's definitely a chance of that right now I definitely a chance of that right now I definitely a chance of that right now I think they have a an excellent team think they have a an excellent team think they have a an excellent team themselves and they're doing very well themselves and they're doing very well themselves and they're doing very well uh they had an excellent performance at uh they had an excellent performance at uh they had an excellent performance at ADCC so there's not a need for them to ADCC so there's not a need for them to ADCC so there's not a need for them to uh to come to us because they're like uh to come to us because they're like uh to come to us because they're like they lack anything they still remember they lack anything they still remember they lack anything they still remember everything I taught them they still everything I taught them they still everything I taught them they still coach and teach with the same coach and teach with the same coach and teach with the same methodology that I told them so um I methodology that I told them so um I methodology that I told them so um I don't think they have any need to do so don't think they have any need to do so don't think they have any need to do so uh if they did it would be because they uh if they did it would be because they uh if they did it would be because they wanted to wanted to wanted to um I still think many of the same um I still think many of the same um I still think many of the same personality conflicts that originated

personality conflicts that originated personality conflicts that originated the conflict would re-emerge currently the conflict would re-emerge currently the conflict would re-emerge currently if if they started training together uh if if they started training together uh if if they started training together uh by the way to pile on the compliments by the way to pile on the compliments by the way to pile on the compliments they have really nice merch to the they have really nice merch to the they have really nice merch to the t-shirts are just excellent t-shirts are just excellent t-shirts are just excellent um um um what have you learned from that process what have you learned from that process what have you learned from that process about how to have a team with personal about how to have a team with personal about how to have a team with personal conflicts do you have to deal with these conflicts do you have to deal with these conflicts do you have to deal with these giant egos as well yeah because ego is giant egos as well yeah because ego is giant egos as well yeah because ego is in part of superpower too so you don't in part of superpower too so you don't in part of superpower too so you don't want to yeah you you don't want to want to yeah you you don't want to want to yeah you you don't want to suppress EOS I I always laugh when suppress EOS I I always laugh when suppress EOS I I always laugh when people say leave your ego at the door people say leave your ego at the door people say leave your ego at the door it's like what do you think drives it's like what do you think drives it's like what do you think drives competition like if you want to be good competition like if you want to be good competition like if you want to be good at anything in life you've got to have at anything in life you've got to have at anything in life you've got to have an ego an ego an ego um um um uh no I don't believe it's good or even uh no I don't believe it's good or even uh no I don't believe it's good or even a healthy thing to suppress he goes um a healthy thing to suppress he goes um a healthy thing to suppress he goes um I'm a realist and I understand that this I'm a realist and I understand that this I'm a realist and I understand that this is a sport where they make one gold is a sport where they make one gold is a sport where they make one gold medal per weight division this as guys medal per weight division this as guys medal per weight division this as guys get better they're going to be looking get better they're going to be looking get better they're going to be looking at their training partners and thinking at their training partners and thinking at their training partners and thinking like like like I'm gonna have to fight this guy one day I'm gonna have to fight this guy one day I'm gonna have to fight this guy one day and they're training next to each other and they're training next to each other and they're training next to each other of course it's going to be tension of course it's going to be tension of course it's going to be tension um there's always going to be uh um there's always going to be uh um there's always going to be uh disagreements about you know what's the disagreements about you know what's the disagreements about you know what's the right way to act around uh certain right way to act around uh certain right way to act around uh certain people certain issues and people are people certain issues and people are people certain issues and people are going to come into conflict everyone's going to come into conflict everyone's going to come into conflict everyone's being programmed to be a an alpha being programmed to be a an alpha being programmed to be a an alpha competitor and you get a room full of P competitor and you get a room full of P competitor and you get a room full of P like that there's going to be conflict like that there's going to be conflict like that there's going to be conflict now your question was well is there a now your question was well is there a now your question was well is there a way to resolve this yeah there was and way to resolve this yeah there was and way to resolve this yeah there was and for for for eight to nine years I was very eight to nine years I was very eight to nine years I was very successful with this but there's also a successful with this but there's also a successful with this but there's also a Tipping Point where things can flare out

Tipping Point where things can flare out Tipping Point where things can flare out of control and there will be periodic of control and there will be periodic of control and there will be periodic breakups you know they're not the first breakups you know they're not the first breakups you know they're not the first students I had that that left I've been students I had that that left I've been students I had that that left I've been coaching a lot longer they've been coaching a lot longer they've been coaching a lot longer they've been coaching the squad and coaching the squad and coaching the squad and um uh um uh um uh I'm sure in the future there'll be other I'm sure in the future there'll be other I'm sure in the future there'll be other students who leave me hey that's just students who leave me hey that's just students who leave me hey that's just the nature of the Beast it's sad when it the nature of the Beast it's sad when it the nature of the Beast it's sad when it happens but Life Goes On happens but Life Goes On happens but Life Goes On uh like Bukowski said love is a fog that uh like Bukowski said love is a fog that uh like Bukowski said love is a fog that Fades with the first uh daylight of Fades with the first uh daylight of Fades with the first uh daylight of reality or something like that so you reality or something like that so you reality or something like that so you even love is temporary uh even love is temporary uh even love is temporary uh let me ask you about leading up the the let me ask you about leading up the the let me ask you about leading up the the preparation preparation preparation for the athletes I mean this is such for the athletes I mean this is such for the athletes I mean this is such given the darkness from from a year ago given the darkness from from a year ago given the darkness from from a year ago from which you had to find glimmers of from which you had to find glimmers of from which you had to find glimmers of light and try to get greatness out of light and try to get greatness out of light and try to get greatness out of athletes what was the mental preparation athletes what was the mental preparation athletes what was the mental preparation like like like for Gordon for Nicholas for Gordon for Nicholas for Gordon for Nicholas uh for Giancarlo for the other athletes uh for Giancarlo for the other athletes uh for Giancarlo for the other athletes what was the mental side of things like what was the mental side of things like what was the mental side of things like is there some key insights you can give is there some key insights you can give is there some key insights you can give to their mental preparation I really to their mental preparation I really to their mental preparation I really think that people when they talk about think that people when they talk about think that people when they talk about mental preparation need to take a step mental preparation need to take a step mental preparation need to take a step back and realize that almost every back and realize that almost every back and realize that almost every element of what people describe as element of what people describe as element of what people describe as mental preparation his physical mental preparation his physical mental preparation his physical underpinnings underpinnings underpinnings um literally 95 of what I teach the literally 95 of what I teach the athletes is physical skills athletes is physical skills athletes is physical skills and it's my belief that every mental and it's my belief that every mental and it's my belief that every mental aspect of competition

aspect of competition aspect of competition the most important which will be the most important which will be the most important which will be confidence on stage is a direct result confidence on stage is a direct result confidence on stage is a direct result of the the accumulation of physical of the the accumulation of physical of the the accumulation of physical skills skills skills people tend to see things like people tend to see things like people tend to see things like confidence as a mental state confidence as a mental state confidence as a mental state it is but it comes out of it is but it comes out of it is but it comes out of the performance of physical skills all my life I've seen Sports all my life I've seen Sports psychologists try to psychologists try to psychologists try to create confidence in athletes through create confidence in athletes through create confidence in athletes through non-physical means non-physical means non-physical means and it always ends up being the same and it always ends up being the same and it always ends up being the same kind of cheesy motivational speeches kind of cheesy motivational speeches kind of cheesy motivational speeches um highlight video reels where they try um highlight video reels where they try um highlight video reels where they try to pump to pump to pump artificial confidence into people artificial confidence into people artificial confidence into people and and and I've never been impressed by this nor I've never been impressed by this nor I've never been impressed by this nor have I you know have any kind of have I you know have any kind of have I you know have any kind of positive effect on on Athlete positive effect on on Athlete positive effect on on Athlete Performance Performance Performance what I do see build confidence is the what I do see build confidence is the what I do see build confidence is the sense that athletes are developing sense that athletes are developing sense that athletes are developing skills and using them successfully under skills and using them successfully under skills and using them successfully under conditions that closely mirror the event conditions that closely mirror the event conditions that closely mirror the event they're preparing for they're preparing for they're preparing for once they get this down that's where once they get this down that's where once they get this down that's where true confidence comes from confidence true confidence comes from confidence true confidence comes from confidence doesn't come from words it comes from doesn't come from words it comes from doesn't come from words it comes from accumulated skills which experience accumulated skills which experience accumulated skills which experience shows you have shows you have shows you have been responsible for successful been responsible for successful been responsible for successful performances in the past and if you performances in the past and if you performances in the past and if you accumulate enough of these your accumulate enough of these your accumulate enough of these your confidence Rises confidence Rises confidence Rises so

so so when it comes to the mental aspects of when it comes to the mental aspects of when it comes to the mental aspects of competition I created a program where competition I created a program where competition I created a program where everyone had us was given a set of everyone had us was given a set of everyone had us was given a set of skills that they had to work on skills skills that they had to work on skills skills that they had to work on skills directly related to what I believe is directly related to what I believe is directly related to what I believe is the most important elements of success the most important elements of success the most important elements of success in ADCC competition in ADCC competition in ADCC competition in the gym they accumulated those skills in the gym they accumulated those skills in the gym they accumulated those skills over time I do it in two different ways over time I do it in two different ways over time I do it in two different ways depending on whether these are offensive depending on whether these are offensive depending on whether these are offensive skills or defensive skills skills or defensive skills skills or defensive skills for the accumulation of offensive skills for the accumulation of offensive skills for the accumulation of offensive skills I like to have my athletes work with I like to have my athletes work with I like to have my athletes work with athletes who are lesser than themselves athletes who are lesser than themselves athletes who are lesser than themselves in ability in ability in ability so that they start to so that they start to so that they start to gain confidence over time just as you gain confidence over time just as you gain confidence over time just as you would never send a beginner into a would never send a beginner into a would never send a beginner into a weightlifting German put 500 pounds on weightlifting German put 500 pounds on weightlifting German put 500 pounds on the bar and tell them to lift it rather the bar and tell them to lift it rather the bar and tell them to lift it rather you would start with you would start with you would start with a wooden bar then the metal bar and then a wooden bar then the metal bar and then a wooden bar then the metal bar and then gradually accumulate weight over time so gradually accumulate weight over time so gradually accumulate weight over time so you get a progression in weightlifting you get a progression in weightlifting you get a progression in weightlifting so too and juditsu you don't take a so too and juditsu you don't take a so too and juditsu you don't take a brand new move and say okay do it on brand new move and say okay do it on brand new move and say okay do it on Gordon Ryan Gordon Ryan Gordon Ryan never going to succeed never going to succeed never going to succeed uh I have the athletes practice their uh I have the athletes practice their uh I have the athletes practice their offense on Blue belts and work their way offense on Blue belts and work their way offense on Blue belts and work their way up up up defense on the other hand you've got to defense on the other hand you've got to defense on the other hand you've got to start them in the deep end of the pool start them in the deep end of the pool start them in the deep end of the pool so that they start to see what are their so that they start to see what are their so that they start to see what are their vulnerabilities okay so I put them with vulnerabilities okay so I put them with vulnerabilities okay so I put them with highly competitive athletes at this highly competitive athletes at this highly competitive athletes at this start so they can see okay there is a start so they can see okay there is a start so they can see okay there is a problem here and then even in defense problem here and then even in defense problem here and then even in defense they start off with lower belts and they start off with lower belts and they start off with lower belts and build up their confidence over time build up their confidence over time build up their confidence over time so just as a weightlifter builds up his so just as a weightlifter builds up his so just as a weightlifter builds up his ability to build weight sorry to lift ability to build weight sorry to lift ability to build weight sorry to lift weight over time so to a Jujitsu player

weight over time so to a Jujitsu player weight over time so to a Jujitsu player does it by gradually increasing does it by gradually increasing does it by gradually increasing resistance now in Jiu Jitsu resistance resistance now in Jiu Jitsu resistance resistance now in Jiu Jitsu resistance is not done by weight it's done by skill is not done by weight it's done by skill is not done by weight it's done by skill level and so over time they started to level and so over time they started to level and so over time they started to accumulate this experience accumulate this experience accumulate this experience in time in time in time um they uh we were able to switch off um they uh we were able to switch off um they uh we were able to switch off and have them go against and have them go against and have them go against very very tough athletes each other so very very tough athletes each other so very very tough athletes each other so you know uh Luke Griffiths will do a you know uh Luke Griffiths will do a you know uh Luke Griffiths will do a full power match with Gordon Ryan now full power match with Gordon Ryan now full power match with Gordon Ryan now they're fully aware that there's no one they're fully aware that there's no one they're fully aware that there's no one better in the world than Gordon Ryan so better in the world than Gordon Ryan so better in the world than Gordon Ryan so if you have a competitive match with if you have a competitive match with if you have a competitive match with Gordon Ryan that's a very very healthy Gordon Ryan that's a very very healthy Gordon Ryan that's a very very healthy sign so they went from the start where sign so they went from the start where sign so they went from the start where they were being programmed going against they were being programmed going against they were being programmed going against relatively mild resistance and building relatively mild resistance and building relatively mild resistance and building up over time and then building up to the up over time and then building up to the up over time and then building up to the greatest resistance possible in the greatest resistance possible in the greatest resistance possible in the sport of jiu jitsu sport of jiu jitsu sport of jiu jitsu and their goal is not to win obviously and their goal is not to win obviously and their goal is not to win obviously but their goal is to provide a but their goal is to provide a but their goal is to provide a competitive match competitive match competitive match now Gordon doesn't have any confidence now Gordon doesn't have any confidence now Gordon doesn't have any confidence issues so for him it's just good hard issues so for him it's just good hard issues so for him it's just good hard competitive training against people that competitive training against people that competitive training against people that are are are in some ways better than those you'll be in some ways better than those you'll be in some ways better than those you'll be facing in competition for the other guys facing in competition for the other guys facing in competition for the other guys it's it's it's getting a clear assessment of what their getting a clear assessment of what their getting a clear assessment of what their current skill level is current skill level is current skill level is by going against the best there is by going against the best there is by going against the best there is then we add to this a competitive then we add to this a competitive then we add to this a competitive schedule where the athletes have to go schedule where the athletes have to go schedule where the athletes have to go out into competition so they get used to out into competition so they get used to out into competition so they get used to the idea of performing in front of the idea of performing in front of the idea of performing in front of strangers strangers strangers on stage getting used to the the strange on stage getting used to the the strange on stage getting used to the the strange elements of going out being observed and

elements of going out being observed and elements of going out being observed and judged by people you don't know in a judged by people you don't know in a judged by people you don't know in a performance atmosphere and so they were performance atmosphere and so they were performance atmosphere and so they were all given matches and wno competition all given matches and wno competition all given matches and wno competition leading up to the event uh ADCC trials leading up to the event uh ADCC trials leading up to the event uh ADCC trials local grappling events here in Austin local grappling events here in Austin local grappling events here in Austin and given a competitive schedule to and given a competitive schedule to and given a competitive schedule to fight and prepare them for ADCC fight and prepare them for ADCC fight and prepare them for ADCC obviously as ADCC got closer and closer obviously as ADCC got closer and closer obviously as ADCC got closer and closer this was pulled back because of the this was pulled back because of the this was pulled back because of the danger of injury So within about three danger of injury So within about three danger of injury So within about three weeks out was the last time we had a weeks out was the last time we had a weeks out was the last time we had a competition competition competition and by this method confidence starts to and by this method confidence starts to and by this method confidence starts to grow and uh and so the mental grow and uh and so the mental grow and uh and so the mental preparation came out of those physical preparation came out of those physical preparation came out of those physical underpaints the idea of progressive underpaints the idea of progressive underpaints the idea of progressive resistance increasing over time uh for resistance increasing over time uh for resistance increasing over time uh for both offense and defense building up to both offense and defense building up to both offense and defense building up to a peak where they go in against the best a peak where they go in against the best a peak where they go in against the best athlete in the world so they can get an athlete in the world so they can get an athlete in the world so they can get an accurate assessment of where they stand accurate assessment of where they stand accurate assessment of where they stand once you're given a competitive match to once you're given a competitive match to once you're given a competitive match to the best guy in the world you know damn the best guy in the world you know damn the best guy in the world you know damn well that when you go out in 80cc you're well that when you go out in 80cc you're well that when you go out in 80cc you're ready to fight anybody ready to fight anybody ready to fight anybody and defense is broadly defined so and defense is broadly defined so and defense is broadly defined so defense and defense and defense and in symmetrical positions like positions in symmetrical positions like positions in symmetrical positions like positions like guard and then defense also like guard and then defense also like guard and then defense also includes escaping from horrible includes escaping from horrible includes escaping from horrible positions yes positions yes positions yes um we're big Believers in the idea of um we're big Believers in the idea of um we're big Believers in the idea of depth of Defense the idea that uh you depth of Defense the idea that uh you depth of Defense the idea that uh you should be able to mount defense all the should be able to mount defense all the should be able to mount defense all the way through from early stages based way through from early stages based way through from early stages based mostly around anticipation of mostly around anticipation of mostly around anticipation of identifying danger visually before it identifying danger visually before it identifying danger visually before it emerges and all the way through to the emerges and all the way through to the emerges and all the way through to the deepest levels of Defense where you are deepest levels of Defense where you are deepest levels of Defense where you are 100 defensive and terrible positions and 100 defensive and terrible positions and 100 defensive and terrible positions and you have to claw your way out and uh

you have to claw your way out and uh you have to claw your way out and uh over time and get back to a neutral over time and get back to a neutral over time and get back to a neutral position or even better back to an position or even better back to an position or even better back to an attacking position you have an Instagram attacking position you have an Instagram attacking position you have an Instagram post on this topic post on this topic post on this topic um when you get ready to step out for um when you get ready to step out for um when you get ready to step out for the biggest moment of your life ask the biggest moment of your life ask the biggest moment of your life ask yourself one question how different is yourself one question how different is yourself one question how different is this really from what I do every day if this really from what I do every day if this really from what I do every day if the answer is not very different at all the answer is not very different at all the answer is not very different at all then step forward with confidence and do then step forward with confidence and do then step forward with confidence and do we do every day in the same manner and we do every day in the same manner and we do every day in the same manner and ignore the hype and distraction you're ignore the hype and distraction you're ignore the hype and distraction you're ready for action by the way for people ready for action by the way for people ready for action by the way for people who don't know you need to follow John who don't know you need to follow John who don't know you need to follow John Donahue or Donahue John on Instagram Donahue or Donahue John on Instagram Donahue or Donahue John on Instagram because uh you have nuggets or large because uh you have nuggets or large because uh you have nuggets or large buckets of nuggets of wisdom often which buckets of nuggets of wisdom often which buckets of nuggets of wisdom often which is quite profound even bigger than Jiu is quite profound even bigger than Jiu is quite profound even bigger than Jiu Jitsu but anyway so there's some aspect Jitsu but anyway so there's some aspect Jitsu but anyway so there's some aspect where you want to mimic the conditions where you want to mimic the conditions where you want to mimic the conditions of your daily training of your daily training of your daily training in um intensity and in um intensity and in um intensity and in what fossil physical in what fossil physical in what fossil physical uh to that of the actual yeah uh uh to that of the actual yeah uh uh to that of the actual yeah uh mattress you asked the question about mattress you asked the question about mattress you asked the question about mental training for me mental training for me mental training for me um the central focus of whatever small um the central focus of whatever small um the central focus of whatever small amount of mental training I give my amount of mental training I give my amount of mental training I give my students comes down to a very very students comes down to a very very students comes down to a very very simple concept to understand this is the simple concept to understand this is the simple concept to understand this is the idea of idea of idea of identifying competition in terms of its identifying competition in terms of its identifying competition in terms of its normalcy normalcy normalcy most people see training and competition most people see training and competition most people see training and competition is two different things training is is two different things training is is two different things training is normal activity that you do every day normal activity that you do every day normal activity that you do every day and competition is the exception okay and competition is the exception okay and competition is the exception okay it's different you're going out there's

it's different you're going out there's it's different you're going out there's people watching you there's a big crowd people watching you there's a big crowd people watching you there's a big crowd they're making lots of noise they're making lots of noise they're making lots of noise um um um in fact in fact in fact the promoters of shows go out of their the promoters of shows go out of their the promoters of shows go out of their way to reinforce this look at for way to reinforce this look at for way to reinforce this look at for example ADCC when Gordon Ryan went to example ADCC when Gordon Ryan went to example ADCC when Gordon Ryan went to fight Andre Galvan okay do they just fight Andre Galvan okay do they just fight Andre Galvan okay do they just come out on the mat and fight each other come out on the mat and fight each other come out on the mat and fight each other absolutely not this music there's a absolutely not this music there's a absolutely not this music there's a pageantry there's Fireballs they're pageantry there's Fireballs they're pageantry there's Fireballs they're literally shooting Fireballs yeah some literally shooting Fireballs yeah some literally shooting Fireballs yeah some dude in a tie sitting with Joe Rogan I dude in a tie sitting with Joe Rogan I dude in a tie sitting with Joe Rogan I heard about that meat head uh podcast or heard about that meat head uh podcast or heard about that meat head uh podcast or comedian whatever uh which one was the comedian whatever uh which one was the comedian whatever uh which one was the meat hit meat hit meat hit what well played John Idaho well played what well played John Idaho well played what well played John Idaho well played but you see what they're trying to do but you see what they're trying to do but you see what they're trying to do they're trying to create theater and they're trying to create theater and they're trying to create theater and pageantry when in fact it's just a pageantry when in fact it's just a pageantry when in fact it's just a grappling match it's just two athletes a grappling match it's just two athletes a grappling match it's just two athletes a referee and a rule set that's that's the referee and a rule set that's that's the referee and a rule set that's that's the reality reality reality now what they try to sell you is now what they try to sell you is now what they try to sell you is something which is not reality which is something which is not reality which is something which is not reality which is this is somehow bigger and different this is somehow bigger and different this is somehow bigger and different and they reinforce this with pageantry and they reinforce this with pageantry and they reinforce this with pageantry and theater so that it becomes not just and theater so that it becomes not just and theater so that it becomes not just a grappling match but a grappling a grappling match but a grappling a grappling match but a grappling performance the same way you have a performance the same way you have a performance the same way you have a theater performance theater performance theater performance and my goal as a coach is to dispel that and my goal as a coach is to dispel that and my goal as a coach is to dispel that and say when you go out there and say when you go out there and say when you go out there there's only one reality there's only one reality there's only one reality you him and the referee reinforcing a you him and the referee reinforcing a you him and the referee reinforcing a rules there that's it rules there that's it rules there that's it everything else you see the smoke the everything else you see the smoke the everything else you see the smoke the fire the music is an illusion fire the music is an illusion fire the music is an illusion and it's put there intentionally to make and it's put there intentionally to make and it's put there intentionally to make you feel a certain kind of way and your

you feel a certain kind of way and your you feel a certain kind of way and your whole goal is to see this as an illusion whole goal is to see this as an illusion whole goal is to see this as an illusion and walk out and see only the reality and walk out and see only the reality and walk out and see only the reality which is that this is the same damn which is that this is the same damn which is that this is the same damn thing you do every day in the gym thing you do every day in the gym thing you do every day in the gym the only difference is you're going with the only difference is you're going with the only difference is you're going with a guy you've never grappled before a guy you've never grappled before a guy you've never grappled before so the actual act of removing the so the actual act of removing the so the actual act of removing the illusion or realizing that it is an illusion or realizing that it is an illusion or realizing that it is an illusion illusion illusion how do you practice that so when you how do you practice that so when you how do you practice that so when you step on the mat once you're aware of it step on the mat once you're aware of it step on the mat once you're aware of it I I always have them to you it it it's I I always have them to you it it it's I I always have them to you it it it's like when you when you see a magician like when you when you see a magician like when you when you see a magician and you have his tricks explained to you and you have his tricks explained to you and you have his tricks explained to you you never see the magic again the first you never see the magic again the first you never see the magic again the first time you see a good card trick from a time you see a good card trick from a time you see a good card trick from a good magician's oh my God then when they good magician's oh my God then when they good magician's oh my God then when they explain it to you I did this this and explain it to you I did this this and explain it to you I did this this and that step one step two that step one step two that step one step two then you look at it like it's not that then you look at it like it's not that then you look at it like it's not that special special special and when you explain to people this idea and when you explain to people this idea and when you explain to people this idea is the pageantry is an illusion is the pageantry is an illusion is the pageantry is an illusion then just as when you watch the magician then just as when you watch the magician then just as when you watch the magician and you learn the trick and you learn the trick and you learn the trick all the magic flies out the window so all the magic flies out the window so all the magic flies out the window so too with the the nervous response so too with the the nervous response so too with the the nervous response so that's for the pageantry but what about that's for the pageantry but what about that's for the pageantry but what about the maybe the physical intensity of the maybe the physical intensity of the maybe the physical intensity of competition isn't there competition isn't there competition isn't there an extra no it's the same in every an extra no it's the same in every an extra no it's the same in every competition this it's not like you know competition this it's not like you know competition this it's not like you know they're twice as strong and 80cc is they're twice as strong and 80cc is they're twice as strong and 80cc is there and the ibjf World Championships there and the ibjf World Championships there and the ibjf World Championships it's the physical intensity is always it's the physical intensity is always it's the physical intensity is always pretty much the same they experience it pretty much the same they experience it pretty much the same they experience it every day in the gym and every day in the gym and every day in the gym and um uh like you know if you go out and

um uh like you know if you go out and um uh like you know if you go out and you grapple Gordon Ryan it's not like you grapple Gordon Ryan it's not like you grapple Gordon Ryan it's not like the next guy who grapple is going to be the next guy who grapple is going to be the next guy who grapple is going to be twice as strong as hell or twice as fast twice as strong as hell or twice as fast twice as strong as hell or twice as fast this could be a little stronger a little this could be a little stronger a little this could be a little stronger a little faster but not so much so that it faster but not so much so that it faster but not so much so that it completely changes your approach of the completely changes your approach of the completely changes your approach of the game game game um you know there's not that much um you know there's not that much um you know there's not that much difference between the human bodies out difference between the human bodies out difference between the human bodies out there on stage so if you've felt there on stage so if you've felt there on stage so if you've felt intensity before you're not going to be intensity before you're not going to be intensity before you're not going to be shocked by ADCC but in terms of in shocked by ADCC but in terms of in shocked by ADCC but in terms of in training training training do you have to try to match the do you have to try to match the do you have to try to match the intensity of competition no intensity of competition no intensity of competition no um that would be fool should be every um that would be fool should be every um that would be fool should be every athlete in the gym would be injured uh athlete in the gym would be injured uh athlete in the gym would be injured uh you can do it for short periods of time you can do it for short periods of time you can do it for short periods of time um but the uh the training has to be um but the uh the training has to be um but the uh the training has to be carefully monitored in terms of carefully monitored in terms of carefully monitored in terms of intensity levels remember we're training intensity levels remember we're training intensity levels remember we're training seven days a week a minimum of twice a seven days a week a minimum of twice a seven days a week a minimum of twice a day day day um you you've got to keep things under um you you've got to keep things under um you you've got to keep things under wraps like you know every other workout wraps like you know every other workout wraps like you know every other workout you can have a like one of the five you can have a like one of the five you can have a like one of the five rounds can be full power but not seven rounds can be full power but not seven rounds can be full power but not seven days a week three times a day that's days a week three times a day that's days a week three times a day that's that's just gonna break bodies and the that's just gonna break bodies and the that's just gonna break bodies and the full power is just a reminder full power is just a reminder full power is just a reminder of it's more about skill development for of it's more about skill development for of it's more about skill development for us it always comes back to school us it always comes back to school us it always comes back to school development but what about matching the development but what about matching the development but what about matching the the feeling of the intensity of the feeling of the intensity of the feeling of the intensity of competition competition competition so yeah periodically periodically it so yeah periodically periodically it so yeah periodically periodically it can't be rare a single time not not can't be rare a single time not not can't be rare a single time not not really it's not rare like yeah meaning really it's not rare like yeah meaning really it's not rare like yeah meaning like you know one like out of you know like you know one like out of you know like you know one like out of you know three hours of hot sparring per day like three hours of hot sparring per day like three hours of hot sparring per day like 15 minutes might be like 100 full power 15 minutes might be like 100 full power 15 minutes might be like 100 full power that way you you that's more than enough that way you you that's more than enough that way you you that's more than enough to get psychologically ready for the

to get psychologically ready for the to get psychologically ready for the intensity of conflict but um uh but intensity of conflict but um uh but intensity of conflict but um uh but won't break your body over time won't break your body over time won't break your body over time intensity of conflict that's well put intensity of conflict that's well put intensity of conflict that's well put there is uh competition does doesn't it there is uh competition does doesn't it there is uh competition does doesn't it have that extra level of animosity have that extra level of animosity have that extra level of animosity okay it's a little bit more conflict okay it's a little bit more conflict okay it's a little bit more conflict than it is it can sometimes these than it is it can sometimes these than it is it can sometimes these personality differences like for example personality differences like for example personality differences like for example like Gordon Ryan and Felipe Pena they like Gordon Ryan and Felipe Pena they like Gordon Ryan and Felipe Pena they admire each other a lot they respect admire each other a lot they respect admire each other a lot they respect each other's skills but they they each other's skills but they they each other's skills but they they certainly don't like love each other certainly don't like love each other certainly don't like love each other that's for sure so um uh so there can be that's for sure so um uh so there can be that's for sure so um uh so there can be certain match up with this more certain match up with this more certain match up with this more intensity intensity intensity um but then there's other matchups where um but then there's other matchups where um but then there's other matchups where the two athletes come out and it's the two athletes come out and it's the two athletes come out and it's um it's no more intense than a hard um it's no more intense than a hard um it's no more intense than a hard sparring session sparring session sparring session so first of all because I would love to so first of all because I would love to so first of all because I would love to look at a couple of matches with you and look at a couple of matches with you and look at a couple of matches with you and uh before that let me say big thank you uh before that let me say big thank you uh before that let me say big thank you to flow grappling uh for first of all to flow grappling uh for first of all to flow grappling uh for first of all helping the sport of grappling and Jiu helping the sport of grappling and Jiu helping the sport of grappling and Jiu Jitsu in general by having organized Jitsu in general by having organized Jitsu in general by having organized footage footage footage and uh tournaments that sort of show the and uh tournaments that sort of show the and uh tournaments that sort of show the sport in its best light to the world and sport in its best light to the world and sport in its best light to the world and they do an incredible job of that so if they do an incredible job of that so if they do an incredible job of that so if you're interested in supporting you're interested in supporting you're interested in supporting grappling as a sport helping you grow grappling as a sport helping you grow grappling as a sport helping you grow you should definitely support flow you should definitely support flow you should definitely support flow grappling go to their website sign out grappling go to their website sign out grappling go to their website sign out also flow wrestling I'm a huge fan of also flow wrestling I'm a huge fan of also flow wrestling I'm a huge fan of wrestling so wrestling so wrestling so um maybe there'll be a flow Judo at some um maybe there'll be a flow Judo at some um maybe there'll be a flow Judo at some point they don't currently I don't think point they don't currently I don't think point they don't currently I don't think do any major Judo stuff so anyway I I'm do any major Judo stuff so anyway I I'm do any major Judo stuff so anyway I I'm a big supporter of theirs and I do have

a big supporter of theirs and I do have a big supporter of theirs and I do have criticism criticism criticism that they know about which is uh I hope that they know about which is uh I hope that they know about which is uh I hope they continue to improve on the aspect they continue to improve on the aspect they continue to improve on the aspect of making the footage discoverable and of making the footage discoverable and of making the footage discoverable and accessible making it easy for you to do accessible making it easy for you to do accessible making it easy for you to do search through Google and on their search through Google and on their search through Google and on their website to find matches to get excited website to find matches to get excited website to find matches to get excited like if me and Joe Rogan are getting like if me and Joe Rogan are getting like if me and Joe Rogan are getting excited about a particular match we want excited about a particular match we want excited about a particular match we want to be able to pull it up super quickly to be able to pull it up super quickly to be able to pull it up super quickly want to be able to pull up Gordon Ryan's want to be able to pull up Gordon Ryan's want to be able to pull up Gordon Ryan's matches super quickly from ADCC make it matches super quickly from ADCC make it matches super quickly from ADCC make it super easy to show and share if we have super easy to show and share if we have super easy to show and share if we have to pay for it fine but make it easy and to pay for it fine but make it easy and to pay for it fine but make it easy and when you sign you know to sign up for when you sign you know to sign up for when you sign you know to sign up for flow it should be one click not five flow it should be one click not five flow it should be one click not five clicks it should be one click it should clicks it should be one click it should clicks it should be one click it should be easy be easy be easy I think it's inexpensive if you care I think it's inexpensive if you care I think it's inexpensive if you care about grappling it's definitely worth it about grappling it's definitely worth it about grappling it's definitely worth it you should sign up anyway my love goes you should sign up anyway my love goes you should sign up anyway my love goes out to flow grappling and also my love out to flow grappling and also my love out to flow grappling and also my love goes out to mojasum as we said uh he's goes out to mojasum as we said uh he's goes out to mojasum as we said uh he's the organizer of ADCC the next one is in the organizer of ADCC the next one is in the organizer of ADCC the next one is in 2024. it should be 2024 well you should 2024. it should be 2024 well you should 2024. it should be 2024 well you should follow ADCC the underscore official on follow ADCC the underscore official on follow ADCC the underscore official on Instagram and just send as much love Instagram and just send as much love Instagram and just send as much love towards Mo and ADCC in general it's the towards Mo and ADCC in general it's the towards Mo and ADCC in general it's the like I said the the most prestigious like I said the the most prestigious like I said the the most prestigious it's like we're the best grapples in the it's like we're the best grapples in the it's like we're the best grapples in the world show up and the magic happens it's world show up and the magic happens it's world show up and the magic happens it's like some of the most historic matches like some of the most historic matches like some of the most historic matches in uh grappling Jiu Jitsu ever happened in uh grappling Jiu Jitsu ever happened in uh grappling Jiu Jitsu ever happened on that stage uh anyway if I can talk on that stage uh anyway if I can talk on that stage uh anyway if I can talk about some of the interesting about some of the interesting about some of the interesting performances for the athletes you coach performances for the athletes you coach performances for the athletes you coach you post on Instagram let's start with

you post on Instagram let's start with you post on Instagram let's start with Gordon Ryan Gordon Ryan ADCC 2022 the Gordon Ryan Gordon Ryan ADCC 2022 the Gordon Ryan Gordon Ryan ADCC 2022 the greatest event in grappling history is greatest event in grappling history is greatest event in grappling history is over new stars emerged established Stars over new stars emerged established Stars over new stars emerged established Stars shown bright again but one man stood shown bright again but one man stood shown bright again but one man stood above all like a Colossus Gordon Ryan above all like a Colossus Gordon Ryan above all like a Colossus Gordon Ryan you have a way with words John Donner uh you have a way with words John Donner uh you have a way with words John Donner uh I have seen many incredible Feats of I have seen many incredible Feats of I have seen many incredible Feats of grappling but have never saw a grappling but have never saw a grappling but have never saw a performance like this for many Mr Ryan performance like this for many Mr Ryan performance like this for many Mr Ryan is a polarizing figure in the sport for is a polarizing figure in the sport for is a polarizing figure in the sport for many others and inspiration to look up many others and inspiration to look up many others and inspiration to look up to but after this weekend there was no to but after this weekend there was no to but after this weekend there was no disagreement amongst haters and fans disagreement amongst haters and fans disagreement amongst haters and fans about his Merit he is the best ever about his Merit he is the best ever about his Merit he is the best ever it was a long and difficult journey to it was a long and difficult journey to it was a long and difficult journey to ADCC 2022 just one year ago and so on as ADCC 2022 just one year ago and so on as ADCC 2022 just one year ago and so on as you told the story you told the story you told the story it was a virtuoso performance of it was a virtuoso performance of it was a virtuoso performance of unmatched technique preparation and unmatched technique preparation and unmatched technique preparation and confidence no one else can claim credit confidence no one else can claim credit confidence no one else can claim credit for this achievement this was his and for this achievement this was his and for this achievement this was his and his alone no one else today brings his alone no one else today brings his alone no one else today brings together technical depth tactical together technical depth tactical together technical depth tactical insight and confidence to use them on insight and confidence to use them on insight and confidence to use them on stage as he does I had many students but stage as he does I had many students but stage as he does I had many students but only one Gordon Ryan and I think Gordon only one Gordon Ryan and I think Gordon only one Gordon Ryan and I think Gordon responded all this is true besides the responded all this is true besides the responded all this is true besides the credit that sits with you thank you and credit that sits with you thank you and credit that sits with you thank you and a heart emoji very nice so anyway that's a heart emoji very nice so anyway that's a heart emoji very nice so anyway that's as a way of introduction to Gordon Ryan as a way of introduction to Gordon Ryan as a way of introduction to Gordon Ryan can you take me through his set of can you take me through his set of can you take me through his set of performances it may be any matches that performances it may be any matches that performances it may be any matches that stand out stand out stand out so he competed in his division which is so he competed in his division which is so he competed in his division which is the plus 99 kilos and in the super fight

the plus 99 kilos and in the super fight the plus 99 kilos and in the super fight against Andre gova that's correct uh against Andre gova that's correct uh against Andre gova that's correct uh this was in fact the first time in in this was in fact the first time in in this was in fact the first time in in history that this was uh allowed history that this was uh allowed history that this was uh allowed um for your uh listeners who don't um for your uh listeners who don't um for your uh listeners who don't follow grappling follow grappling follow grappling um we may have been very rude and just um we may have been very rude and just um we may have been very rude and just throwing a lot of stuff at you without throwing a lot of stuff at you without throwing a lot of stuff at you without explaining ourselves first of all ADCC explaining ourselves first of all ADCC explaining ourselves first of all ADCC is like the Olympics of grappling uh it is like the Olympics of grappling uh it is like the Olympics of grappling uh it occurs every two years occurs every two years occurs every two years um you can either qualify for the event um you can either qualify for the event um you can either qualify for the event through uh winning matches and a through uh winning matches and a through uh winning matches and a qualification process or you can be qualification process or you can be qualification process or you can be invited the only people who get invited invited the only people who get invited invited the only people who get invited are either former winners or people on are either former winners or people on are either former winners or people on the sport who are just widely recognized the sport who are just widely recognized the sport who are just widely recognized superstars who bring some kind of brand superstars who bring some kind of brand superstars who bring some kind of brand value who have proven in the past that value who have proven in the past that value who have proven in the past that they have what it takes to compete at they have what it takes to compete at they have what it takes to compete at that level that level that level in this format there are two kinds of in this format there are two kinds of in this format there are two kinds of matches matches matches there are there are there are weight division matches weight division matches weight division matches in which you compete against people your in which you compete against people your in which you compete against people your own uh roughly your own size and weight there is an open weight where anyone of there is an open weight where anyone of any size can enter so you can have very any size can enter so you can have very any size can enter so you can have very small people fighting very large people small people fighting very large people small people fighting very large people and there is a second category called a and there is a second category called a and there is a second category called a super fight where established Champions super fight where established Champions super fight where established Champions who have won previous open weight uh uh who have won previous open weight uh uh who have won previous open weight uh uh tournaments tournaments tournaments fight each other in one-off battles one fight each other in one-off battles one fight each other in one-off battles one athlete against another so in most of athlete against another so in most of athlete against another so in most of the uh matches you will you will fight the uh matches you will you will fight the uh matches you will you will fight repetitively over time towards a gold

repetitively over time towards a gold repetitively over time towards a gold medal but in one category you fight one medal but in one category you fight one medal but in one category you fight one fight the so-called super fight which is fight the so-called super fight which is fight the so-called super fight which is usually the headline fight of the event usually the headline fight of the event usually the headline fight of the event um traditionally if you were in the um traditionally if you were in the um traditionally if you were in the Super fight you could not compete in the Super fight you could not compete in the Super fight you could not compete in the weight categories weight categories weight categories it was seen as too risky because you it was seen as too risky because you it was seen as too risky because you might get injured might get injured might get injured during the weight category or you might during the weight category or you might during the weight category or you might have to fight four very tough fights in have to fight four very tough fights in have to fight four very tough fights in a row and get exhausted so that you're a row and get exhausted so that you're a row and get exhausted so that you're ineffective during the main event of the ineffective during the main event of the ineffective during the main event of the uh of the show the super fight uh of the show the super fight uh of the show the super fight so throughout its history ADCC has so throughout its history ADCC has so throughout its history ADCC has always resisted the idea of an athlete always resisted the idea of an athlete always resisted the idea of an athlete being allowed to do both weight category being allowed to do both weight category being allowed to do both weight category and uh super fight it's never happened and uh super fight it's never happened and uh super fight it's never happened before before before Gordon Ryan requested to be able to do Gordon Ryan requested to be able to do Gordon Ryan requested to be able to do this this this um because of his extraordinary stature um because of his extraordinary stature um because of his extraordinary stature in the sport in the sport in the sport the ADCC organization granted his the ADCC organization granted his the ADCC organization granted his request that was the first time ever request that was the first time ever request that was the first time ever in addition Gordon Ryan would be in addition Gordon Ryan would be in addition Gordon Ryan would be fighting to be the first person to win fighting to be the first person to win fighting to be the first person to win three gold medals in three different three gold medals in three different three gold medals in three different weight categories this has never been weight categories this has never been weight categories this has never been done before done before done before so it was a huge event on Gordon's part so it was a huge event on Gordon's part so it was a huge event on Gordon's part and bear in mind also that prior to this and bear in mind also that prior to this and bear in mind also that prior to this event he had fought event he had fought event he had fought just a month and a half earlier against just a month and a half earlier against just a month and a half earlier against a former ADCC open weight champion a former ADCC open weight champion a former ADCC open weight champion Felipe Pena who had defeated him in the Felipe Pena who had defeated him in the Felipe Pena who had defeated him in the past and a completely different rule set past and a completely different rule set past and a completely different rule set and then previously that against the and then previously that against the and then previously that against the current world champion so there had been current world champion so there had been current world champion so there had been a build up to this so he had been very a build up to this so he had been very a build up to this so he had been very active active active uh uh coming up to the event and then he

uh uh coming up to the event and then he uh uh coming up to the event and then he went in to fight arguably the greatest went in to fight arguably the greatest went in to fight arguably the greatest ACC champion of all time Andre Galvan ACC champion of all time Andre Galvan ACC champion of all time Andre Galvan which would occurred late on Sunday and which would occurred late on Sunday and which would occurred late on Sunday and would have to fight would have to fight would have to fight the toughest people including uh the the toughest people including uh the the toughest people including uh the possibility of fighting his Nemesis possibility of fighting his Nemesis possibility of fighting his Nemesis Felipe Pena in the weight division prior Felipe Pena in the weight division prior Felipe Pena in the weight division prior to getting to the Super fight so there to getting to the Super fight so there to getting to the Super fight so there was genuine concern here that he may was genuine concern here that he may was genuine concern here that he may have completely overstepped himself have completely overstepped himself have completely overstepped himself um the biggest concern I had as a coach um the biggest concern I had as a coach um the biggest concern I had as a coach and I'm sure the organizers Mo Jessica and I'm sure the organizers Mo Jessica and I'm sure the organizers Mo Jessica must have had the same concern so he must have had the same concern so he must have had the same concern so he would get injured or exhausted fighting would get injured or exhausted fighting would get injured or exhausted fighting in his weight division in his weight division in his weight division there were two athletes in particular uh there were two athletes in particular uh there were two athletes in particular uh Felipe Pena who had given Gordon a very Felipe Pena who had given Gordon a very Felipe Pena who had given Gordon a very tough 40-minute match and a no rules tough 40-minute match and a no rules tough 40-minute match and a no rules setting setting setting um uh shortly before ADCC and his former um uh shortly before ADCC and his former um uh shortly before ADCC and his former training partner uh Nick Rodriguez training partner uh Nick Rodriguez training partner uh Nick Rodriguez um who were expected to give Gordon very um who were expected to give Gordon very um who were expected to give Gordon very very tough matches if they came up very tough matches if they came up very tough matches if they came up against each other against each other against each other so so so there was a genuine concern that Gordon there was a genuine concern that Gordon there was a genuine concern that Gordon may burn himself out before he even got may burn himself out before he even got may burn himself out before he even got to fight the guy who most people believe to fight the guy who most people believe to fight the guy who most people believe was the greatest ADCC champion of all was the greatest ADCC champion of all was the greatest ADCC champion of all time time time so our concern was how do we manage this so our concern was how do we manage this so our concern was how do we manage this so what we looked for is extremely so what we looked for is extremely so what we looked for is extremely efficient methods of reducing the time efficient methods of reducing the time efficient methods of reducing the time of the measures making the matches as of the measures making the matches as of the measures making the matches as short as possible short as possible short as possible um our favorite way to fight bigger um our favorite way to fight bigger um our favorite way to fight bigger stronger athletes and I think Gordon was

stronger athletes and I think Gordon was stronger athletes and I think Gordon was the lightest athlete in his weight the lightest athlete in his weight the lightest athlete in his weight division everyone goes all going so big division everyone goes all going so big division everyone goes all going so big and strong which is actually quite light and strong which is actually quite light and strong which is actually quite light um uh I think it was outweighed by um uh I think it was outweighed by um uh I think it was outweighed by almost all of his opponents almost all of his opponents almost all of his opponents it's nice to see Gordon looking small it's nice to see Gordon looking small it's nice to see Gordon looking small relative to his opponents which is relative to his opponents which is relative to his opponents which is absurd to say but it is the open absurd to say but it is the open absurd to say but it is the open division plus 99 kilos it was plus 99 division plus 99 kilos it was plus 99 division plus 99 kilos it was plus 99 kilos right that's what I mean sorry by kilos right that's what I mean sorry by kilos right that's what I mean sorry by open plus 99 kilos everyone looks like open plus 99 kilos everyone looks like open plus 99 kilos everyone looks like the Incredible Hulk yeah yeah so the Incredible Hulk yeah yeah so the Incredible Hulk yeah yeah so um our big thing is when we fight bigger um our big thing is when we fight bigger um our big thing is when we fight bigger stronger opponents we always go in two stronger opponents we always go in two stronger opponents we always go in two directions you either go for the legs or directions you either go for the legs or directions you either go for the legs or you go for the back and so you go for the back and so you go for the back and so um we constructed strategies based um we constructed strategies based um we constructed strategies based around those two methods so going for around those two methods so going for around those two methods so going for submissions and we should also mention submissions and we should also mention submissions and we should also mention that agcc rule said is for regular that agcc rule said is for regular that agcc rule said is for regular matches I think it's five minutes and matches I think it's five minutes and matches I think it's five minutes and five minutes total is 10 minutes and five minutes total is 10 minutes and five minutes total is 10 minutes and then for finals matches it's 20 minutes then for finals matches it's 20 minutes then for finals matches it's 20 minutes and half the time is spent with no and half the time is spent with no and half the time is spent with no points points points so these can be very very long matches so these can be very very long matches so these can be very very long matches let me put this in a perspective a let me put this in a perspective a let me put this in a perspective a modern Judo matches five minutes and modern Judo matches five minutes and modern Judo matches five minutes and modern wrestling match I believe is six modern wrestling match I believe is six modern wrestling match I believe is six minutes in international freestyle minutes in international freestyle minutes in international freestyle um so these matches can be 40 minutes um so these matches can be 40 minutes um so these matches can be 40 minutes long now that's a long long grappling long now that's a long long grappling long now that's a long long grappling match yeah and um depending on how you match yeah and um depending on how you match yeah and um depending on how you compete in it that can have a huge tour compete in it that can have a huge tour compete in it that can have a huge tour absolutely you can get to the finals and absolutely you can get to the finals and absolutely you can get to the finals and just be absolutely spent so our whole just be absolutely spent so our whole just be absolutely spent so our whole thing is okay Gordon's got to not only thing is okay Gordon's got to not only thing is okay Gordon's got to not only get to the finals then he's got to fight get to the finals then he's got to fight get to the finals then he's got to fight the toughest 80cc rapper of all time the toughest 80cc rapper of all time the toughest 80cc rapper of all time after that so um we were looking for after that so um we were looking for after that so um we were looking for quick and energy efficient matches and

quick and energy efficient matches and quick and energy efficient matches and that meant going to the back or going to that meant going to the back or going to that meant going to the back or going to the legs the legs the legs um and in the overwhelming majority of um and in the overwhelming majority of um and in the overwhelming majority of cases that's exactly what he did he was cases that's exactly what he did he was cases that's exactly what he did he was able to get some very very quick matches able to get some very very quick matches able to get some very very quick matches uh courtesy of leglock finishes and in uh courtesy of leglock finishes and in uh courtesy of leglock finishes and in the few cases where he didn't finish on the few cases where he didn't finish on the few cases where he didn't finish on legs then he would simply take his legs then he would simply take his legs then he would simply take his opponents back and uh that's a very low opponents back and uh that's a very low opponents back and uh that's a very low stress position to to occupy in one case stress position to to occupy in one case stress position to to occupy in one case uh his opponent deliberately kept his uh his opponent deliberately kept his uh his opponent deliberately kept his back on the ground to prevent the back back on the ground to prevent the back back on the ground to prevent the back tag and he just chose mounted position tag and he just chose mounted position tag and he just chose mounted position instead and so he was able to go through instead and so he was able to go through instead and so he was able to go through his weight division with extremely low his weight division with extremely low his weight division with extremely low energy expenditure which set him up well energy expenditure which set him up well energy expenditure which set him up well to go into the uh the finals no injuries to go into the uh the finals no injuries to go into the uh the finals no injuries very little energy expenditure now it very little energy expenditure now it very little energy expenditure now it sounds easy to say that you know oh okay sounds easy to say that you know oh okay sounds easy to say that you know oh okay the strategy worked the strategy worked the strategy worked but in order to get that strategy to but in order to get that strategy to but in order to get that strategy to work you have to have one hell of a set work you have to have one hell of a set work you have to have one hell of a set of skills and of skills and of skills and um uh and we can see those now would you um uh and we can see those now would you um uh and we can see those now would you like to yeah I would love to go through like to yeah I would love to go through like to yeah I would love to go through them and I should also mention for them and I should also mention for them and I should also mention for people just listening to this we'll I'll people just listening to this we'll I'll people just listening to this we'll I'll try to commentate on different things try to commentate on different things try to commentate on different things we'll look at but we'll look at but we'll look at but the thing that was made clear is uh the thing that was made clear is uh the thing that was made clear is uh maybe you can maybe you can maybe you can speak to that speak to that speak to that maybe to you it looks like efficiency maybe to you it looks like efficiency maybe to you it looks like efficiency but to me it looked like but to me it looked like but to me it looked like a Gordon was not even trying there's a a Gordon was not even trying there's a a Gordon was not even trying there's a um a relaxed aspect to the whole thing um a relaxed aspect to the whole thing um a relaxed aspect to the whole thing so maybe it had to do with saving energy so maybe it had to do with saving energy so maybe it had to do with saving energy but he made it look very easy yeah and but he made it look very easy yeah and but he made it look very easy yeah and he made the the pathos submission look

he made the the pathos submission look he made the the pathos submission look very easy so here the first match very easy so here the first match very easy so here the first match against an opponent that again looks against an opponent that again looks against an opponent that again looks bigger than him bigger than him bigger than him okay I'll just give an initial comment okay I'll just give an initial comment okay I'll just give an initial comment here here here um first you'll see that Gordon elected um first you'll see that Gordon elected um first you'll see that Gordon elected to sit to the bottom position to sit to the bottom position to sit to the bottom position um the hardest work in submission um the hardest work in submission um the hardest work in submission grappling is when two athletes take the grappling is when two athletes take the grappling is when two athletes take the standing position and just for takedowns standing position and just for takedowns standing position and just for takedowns uh that's where most of the energy gets uh that's where most of the energy gets uh that's where most of the energy gets burned up so working on the idea of burned up so working on the idea of burned up so working on the idea of Energy Efficiency let's go out and we we Energy Efficiency let's go out and we we Energy Efficiency let's go out and we we chose to sit into guard position and chose to sit into guard position and chose to sit into guard position and then start looking to access our then start looking to access our then start looking to access our opponents back because if our opponent's opponents back because if our opponent's opponents back because if our opponent's hit position a far side arm drag makes a hit position a far side arm drag makes a hit position a far side arm drag makes a lot of sense Gordon's able to beat the lot of sense Gordon's able to beat the lot of sense Gordon's able to beat the arm and quickly get behind his opponent arm and quickly get behind his opponent arm and quickly get behind his opponent now the question is going to be getting now the question is going to be getting now the question is going to be getting into a scoring position it's too early into a scoring position it's too early into a scoring position it's too early to score at this point but we're just to score at this point but we're just to score at this point but we're just concerned at this stage of just energy concerned at this stage of just energy concerned at this stage of just energy expenditure and make the other guy work expenditure and make the other guy work expenditure and make the other guy work harder than us so uh going to the arm harder than us so uh going to the arm harder than us so uh going to the arm drag to the back and I was working on drag to the back and I was working on drag to the back and I was working on the hooks the hooks the hooks um the hooks are not particularly um the hooks are not particularly um the hooks are not particularly important here he'll use it just to get important here he'll use it just to get important here he'll use it just to get stability on his opponent but um stability on his opponent but um stability on his opponent but um interestingly his opponent here had an interestingly his opponent here had an interestingly his opponent here had an interesting strategy too which was to interesting strategy too which was to interesting strategy too which was to occupy bottom Turtle position and uh and occupy bottom Turtle position and uh and occupy bottom Turtle position and uh and look to get to the critical five-point look to get to the critical five-point look to get to the critical five-point Demarcus sorry our five minute Demarcus sorry our five minute Demarcus sorry our five minute demarcation point where points began demarcation point where points began demarcation point where points began begin to get scored his idea I believe begin to get scored his idea I believe begin to get scored his idea I believe I'm speculating here based on his I'm speculating here based on his I'm speculating here based on his actions was to keep Gordon at Bay in a actions was to keep Gordon at Bay in a actions was to keep Gordon at Bay in a defensive Turtle position until a five defensive Turtle position until a five defensive Turtle position until a five minute Mark occurred in which case he minute Mark occurred in which case he minute Mark occurred in which case he would Shake Gordon off walk away and would Shake Gordon off walk away and would Shake Gordon off walk away and force a takedown battle how many people

force a takedown battle how many people force a takedown battle how many people are are comfortable in that and what do are are comfortable in that and what do are are comfortable in that and what do you think about the defense attorney you think about the defense attorney you think about the defense attorney position versus always trying to come position versus always trying to come position versus always trying to come back to guard the total position is the back to guard the total position is the back to guard the total position is the second bottom position of units so many second bottom position of units so many second bottom position of units so many people only associate God position with people only associate God position with people only associate God position with bottom position and Jiu-Jitsu that's bottom position and Jiu-Jitsu that's bottom position and Jiu-Jitsu that's that's naive there's two there's guard that's naive there's two there's guard that's naive there's two there's guard position and turtle position now as a position and turtle position now as a position and turtle position now as a general rule guard position offers a general rule guard position offers a general rule guard position offers a much much greater variety of attacking much much greater variety of attacking much much greater variety of attacking options then total position does options then total position does options then total position does but that's not to say turtle position but that's not to say turtle position but that's not to say turtle position absolutely Can Be absolutely Can Be absolutely Can Be an Effective bottom position you can an Effective bottom position you can an Effective bottom position you can work effectively from there so there's work effectively from there so there's work effectively from there so there's some case to be made that to wait out some case to be made that to wait out some case to be made that to wait out five minutes the turtle might be I mean five minutes the turtle might be I mean five minutes the turtle might be I mean I I personally think it it get against I I personally think it it get against I I personally think it it get against Gordon Ryan I mean I admire the fellows Gordon Ryan I mean I admire the fellows Gordon Ryan I mean I admire the fellows courage I I courage I I courage I I um it's not easy but there was a logic um it's not easy but there was a logic um it's not easy but there was a logic to what he was doing uh people think oh to what he was doing uh people think oh to what he was doing uh people think oh he just got his back taken so easily but he just got his back taken so easily but he just got his back taken so easily but he did have a strategy now did he pick he did have a strategy now did he pick he did have a strategy now did he pick the right person to use that strategy the right person to use that strategy the right person to use that strategy against probably not against probably not against probably not um so Gordon is able to uh break the um so Gordon is able to uh break the um so Gordon is able to uh break the turtle down get one hook in turtle down get one hook in turtle down get one hook in at which point I I is this becoming an at which point I I is this becoming an at which point I I is this becoming an uh extremely controlling position with uh extremely controlling position with uh extremely controlling position with Gordon in the back at which point is Gordon in the back at which point is Gordon in the back at which point is there are you happy with where at this there are you happy with where at this there are you happy with where at this point uh it just started to dawn on me point uh it just started to dawn on me point uh it just started to dawn on me at this point this guy actually had a at this point this guy actually had a at this point this guy actually had a strategy which was to maintain a a prone strategy which was to maintain a a prone strategy which was to maintain a a prone position that he's in now and then Shake position that he's in now and then Shake position that he's in now and then Shake golden off after the five minute Mark so

golden off after the five minute Mark so golden off after the five minute Mark so um uh once that became obvious then I um uh once that became obvious then I um uh once that became obvious then I was uh now decided to look at the clock was uh now decided to look at the clock was uh now decided to look at the clock and how close we are if you can take it and how close we are if you can take it and how close we are if you can take it up to five minutes right now this guy's only intention is right now this guy's only intention is to stop going from strangling him and to stop going from strangling him and to stop going from strangling him and finish okay now the guy's trying to go up and okay now the guy's trying to go up and vertical uh freeze it there now do you vertical uh freeze it there now do you vertical uh freeze it there now do you see how he's taking his elbows off the see how he's taking his elbows off the see how he's taking his elbows off the mat and turtle position in Jiu Jitsu mat and turtle position in Jiu Jitsu mat and turtle position in Jiu Jitsu there's only one reason you take your there's only one reason you take your there's only one reason you take your elbows off the mat from Turtle position elbows off the mat from Turtle position elbows off the mat from Turtle position it's to stand up so now it's it's clear it's to stand up so now it's it's clear it's to stand up so now it's it's clear at this point what his actual strategy at this point what his actual strategy at this point what his actual strategy is it's to get up for sustaining is it's to get up for sustaining is it's to get up for sustaining confrontation when a takedown battle and confrontation when a takedown battle and confrontation when a takedown battle and be Gordon by points so he did have a be Gordon by points so he did have a be Gordon by points so he did have a strategy now our counter strategy is strategy now our counter strategy is strategy now our counter strategy is always based around the power half always based around the power half always based around the power half Nelson this is a common move in the Nelson this is a common move in the Nelson this is a common move in the sport of wrestling and it's a great way sport of wrestling and it's a great way sport of wrestling and it's a great way to break people down as they try to to break people down as they try to to break people down as they try to stand up so heavy yeah I mean Gordon is stand up so heavy yeah I mean Gordon is stand up so heavy yeah I mean Gordon is a master of it and so there's a power a master of it and so there's a power a master of it and so there's a power Nelson that Gordon has on him as the as Nelson that Gordon has on him as the as Nelson that Gordon has on him as the as the elbows are off the ground and knees the elbows are off the ground and knees the elbows are off the ground and knees are off the ground he's going to return are off the ground he's going to return are off the ground he's going to return his opponent to the mat and as you can his opponent to the mat and as you can his opponent to the mat and as you can see he's successful in doing so and now see he's successful in doing so and now see he's successful in doing so and now it's clear what demand strategy is so it's clear what demand strategy is so it's clear what demand strategy is so I'm calling to Gordon to break him down I'm calling to Gordon to break him down I'm calling to Gordon to break him down to a hip you put a man on a hip you to a hip you put a man on a hip you to a hip you put a man on a hip you can't stand up Gordon successfully does can't stand up Gordon successfully does can't stand up Gordon successfully does it traps the shoulder using that it traps the shoulder using that it traps the shoulder using that one-on-one grip with his right hand puts one-on-one grip with his right hand puts one-on-one grip with his right hand puts him down to a shoulder and a half that him down to a shoulder and a half that him down to a shoulder and a half that means standing up is no longer an option means standing up is no longer an option means standing up is no longer an option for his opponent now Gordon goes in he's for his opponent now Gordon goes in he's for his opponent now Gordon goes in he's already scoring because of the uh the already scoring because of the uh the already scoring because of the uh the total position that he's in his

total position that he's in his total position that he's in his shoulders his opponent stays down on his shoulders his opponent stays down on his shoulders his opponent stays down on his shoulder now Gordon's responsibility to shoulder now Gordon's responsibility to shoulder now Gordon's responsibility to start looking for the Stranglehold his start looking for the Stranglehold his start looking for the Stranglehold his opponent has basic defensive structures opponent has basic defensive structures opponent has basic defensive structures disciplined with his chin keeps the chin disciplined with his chin keeps the chin disciplined with his chin keeps the chin down but Gordon is a master of tying up down but Gordon is a master of tying up down but Gordon is a master of tying up defensive arms and penetrating under the defensive arms and penetrating under the defensive arms and penetrating under the chin to get to a strangle you'll see chin to get to a strangle you'll see chin to get to a strangle you'll see that shortly that shortly that shortly is the trapping of the arm is the trapping of the arm is the trapping of the arm notice that no Advanced uh notice that no Advanced uh notice that no Advanced uh uh groups were required it was just a uh groups were required it was just a uh groups were required it was just a spontaneous trap just the penetration of spontaneous trap just the penetration of spontaneous trap just the penetration of the neck the neck the neck so the arm was trapped with the leg Yeah so the arm was trapped with the leg Yeah so the arm was trapped with the leg Yeah so now he's only got one defensive arm so now he's only got one defensive arm so now he's only got one defensive arm and he's just taking that away with his and he's just taking that away with his and he's just taking that away with his left hand he gets a one-handed strangle left hand he gets a one-handed strangle left hand he gets a one-handed strangle for the Finish and it looks like not much energy was and it looks like not much energy was expanded during very little yeah so expanded during very little yeah so expanded during very little yeah so that's a as the tournament got off to a that's a as the tournament got off to a that's a as the tournament got off to a very smooth start very lingy expenditure very smooth start very lingy expenditure very smooth start very lingy expenditure no injuries and a submission win no injuries and a submission win no injuries and a submission win does that does that does that there's a kind of certain look to Gordon there's a kind of certain look to Gordon there's a kind of certain look to Gordon of that could be interpreted as of that could be interpreted as of that could be interpreted as nervousness that was an incorrect nervousness that was an incorrect nervousness that was an incorrect interpretation yes okay so there's a uh interpretation yes okay so there's a uh interpretation yes okay so there's a uh what do you interpret as nervous what do you interpret as nervous what do you interpret as nervous Behavior Behavior Behavior well this is uh part of me is trolling well this is uh part of me is trolling well this is uh part of me is trolling but but but sometimes on the surface confident sometimes on the surface confident sometimes on the surface confident Behavior can look like uh Behavior can look like uh Behavior can look like uh almost like anger almost like anger almost like anger and there's a Gordon's face had a like a vulnerability

Gordon's face had a like a vulnerability to it to it to it almost like uh when you go to judge almost like uh when you go to judge almost like uh when you go to judge confidence don't look at the face look confidence don't look at the face look confidence don't look at the face look at the extremities of the body yeah at the extremities of the body yeah at the extremities of the body yeah that's where the truth comes out you see that's where the truth comes out you see that's where the truth comes out you see it in body language and the further from it in body language and the further from it in body language and the further from the face and cheers the more honest the the face and cheers the more honest the the face and cheers the more honest the body becomes body becomes body becomes look at the feet and the hands look at the feet and the hands look at the feet and the hands well there were I mean that's when you well there were I mean that's when you well there were I mean that's when you see if people are nervous or not he was see if people are nervous or not he was see if people are nervous or not he was very relaxed uh in the extremities very relaxed uh in the extremities very relaxed uh in the extremities that's true see you look more confident that's true see you look more confident that's true see you look more confident in this in this than anything what what in this in this than anything what what in this in this than anything what what are you thinking about what I what uh are you thinking about what I what uh are you thinking about what I what uh what's going through your head here what's going through your head here what's going through your head here all right this is the same stuff are you all right this is the same stuff are you all right this is the same stuff are you are you intimidated by the the two Meat are you intimidated by the the two Meat are you intimidated by the the two Meat Heads one in a suit and tie or are you Heads one in a suit and tie or are you Heads one in a suit and tie or are you not thinking about that at all I know not thinking about that at all I know not thinking about that at all I know now for me it's just about okay what's now for me it's just about okay what's now for me it's just about okay what's the most efficient positive Victory the most efficient positive Victory the most efficient positive Victory against this particular opponent it's against this particular opponent it's against this particular opponent it's just okay I've done my job I've taken just okay I've done my job I've taken just okay I've done my job I've taken him through a uh an extensive fight camp him through a uh an extensive fight camp him through a uh an extensive fight camp that prepared them for every conceivable that prepared them for every conceivable that prepared them for every conceivable situation that they're in uh I've run an situation that they're in uh I've run an situation that they're in uh I've run an efficient warm-up their body temperature efficient warm-up their body temperature efficient warm-up their body temperature is perfect the elasticity in the muscles is perfect the elasticity in the muscles is perfect the elasticity in the muscles is perfect is perfect is perfect um um um my main role when I corner my main role when I corner my main role when I corner is I avoid what most people do when they is I avoid what most people do when they is I avoid what most people do when they Corner which is to be a cheerleader most Corner which is to be a cheerleader most Corner which is to be a cheerleader most cornermen they're not cornermen they're cornermen they're not cornermen they're cornermen they're not cornermen they're cheerleaders they're there to express cheerleaders they're there to express cheerleaders they're there to express some kind of emotional support to their some kind of emotional support to their some kind of emotional support to their training partners and or their their training partners and or their their training partners and or their their student sometimes they're even worse student sometimes they're even worse student sometimes they're even worse than cheerleaders they express their own than cheerleaders they express their own than cheerleaders they express their own emotional fears

emotional fears emotional fears as the match goes on as the match goes on as the match goes on um um um I always believe that 99.5 percent of I always believe that 99.5 percent of I always believe that 99.5 percent of the job of the trainer is done the coach the job of the trainer is done the coach the job of the trainer is done the coach is done is done is done when the athlete steps their foot on the when the athlete steps their foot on the when the athlete steps their foot on the mat mat mat at that point at that point at that point you shouldn't need me at all everything you shouldn't need me at all everything you shouldn't need me at all everything I needed to tell you should have been I needed to tell you should have been I needed to tell you should have been not just told you but imprinted into you not just told you but imprinted into you not just told you but imprinted into you remember this fifteen thousand people in remember this fifteen thousand people in remember this fifteen thousand people in that crowd for half of the match you're that crowd for half of the match you're that crowd for half of the match you're not going to hear a word that I can say not going to hear a word that I can say not going to hear a word that I can say there's too much noise but you'll hear there's too much noise but you'll hear there's too much noise but you'll hear my voice inside your head because you've heard it so many times because you've heard it so many times over the last 14 weeks you're sick of over the last 14 weeks you're sick of over the last 14 weeks you're sick of hearing it at that point hearing it at that point hearing it at that point in their program know what to do in their program know what to do in their program know what to do um so I'm I'm usually um so I'm I'm usually um so I'm I'm usually pretty confident I'm also very confident pretty confident I'm also very confident pretty confident I'm also very confident that even in worst case scenarios that even in worst case scenarios that even in worst case scenarios they're going to have effective they're going to have effective they're going to have effective Solutions because they train those worst Solutions because they train those worst Solutions because they train those worst case scenarios every single day in the case scenarios every single day in the case scenarios every single day in the gym gym gym and so in part you're there to have a and so in part you're there to have a and so in part you're there to have a front row seat front row seat front row seat to analyze what happened so you can take to analyze what happened so you can take to analyze what happened so you can take that to the next match the biggest that to the next match the biggest that to the next match the biggest danger an athlete faces is tunnel vision danger an athlete faces is tunnel vision danger an athlete faces is tunnel vision sometimes they will sometimes they will sometimes they will Hit Upon A Certain move or strategy and Hit Upon A Certain move or strategy and Hit Upon A Certain move or strategy and just say I'm going to go with this when just say I'm going to go with this when just say I'm going to go with this when there's much easier Alternatives but there's much easier Alternatives but there's much easier Alternatives but because they're so focused on the because they're so focused on the because they're so focused on the alternative they've chosen they get this alternative they've chosen they get this alternative they've chosen they get this tunnel vision and just focus only on tunnel vision and just focus only on tunnel vision and just focus only on that the most constructive thing the

that the most constructive thing the that the most constructive thing the corner man can do is alert them to the corner man can do is alert them to the corner man can do is alert them to the presence of time which is very important presence of time which is very important presence of time which is very important in ADCC match because they're all the in ADCC match because they're all the in ADCC match because they're all the scoring is structured by time and to scoring is structured by time and to scoring is structured by time and to alleviate problems associated with alleviate problems associated with alleviate problems associated with tunnel vision that okay you're doing tunnel vision that okay you're doing tunnel vision that okay you're doing this this this but if you just did this it'll be so but if you just did this it'll be so but if you just did this it'll be so much easier so that's the main goal so much easier so that's the main goal so much easier so that's the main goal so here uh this was one of several here uh this was one of several here uh this was one of several anticipated matches against a second one anticipated matches against a second one anticipated matches against a second one against Victor Hugo against Victor Hugo against Victor Hugo which is a very tough opponent which is a very tough opponent which is a very tough opponent and uh again this was a situation where and uh again this was a situation where and uh again this was a situation where golden was considerably outweighed by golden was considerably outweighed by golden was considerably outweighed by his opponent so the main thing here was his opponent so the main thing here was his opponent so the main thing here was efficiency his opponent elected to avoid efficiency his opponent elected to avoid efficiency his opponent elected to avoid the standing position by jumping into the standing position by jumping into the standing position by jumping into God so now guard yeah yeah golden would God so now guard yeah yeah golden would God so now guard yeah yeah golden would be in top position this time he has a be in top position this time he has a be in top position this time he has a very good closed guard but unfortunately very good closed guard but unfortunately very good closed guard but unfortunately Gordon has very good God passing so um Gordon has very good God passing so um Gordon has very good God passing so um uh he he's an excellent guard player uh he he's an excellent guard player uh he he's an excellent guard player very talented but Gordon is renowned as very talented but Gordon is renowned as very talented but Gordon is renowned as the imminent God Pastor in the world the imminent God Pastor in the world the imminent God Pastor in the world today so today so today so um it's a tall order to hold Gordon off um it's a tall order to hold Gordon off um it's a tall order to hold Gordon off for a 10-minute match is there something for a 10-minute match is there something for a 10-minute match is there something you can say about this guard passing you can say about this guard passing you can say about this guard passing Gordon is making it look very easy it's Gordon is making it look very easy it's Gordon is making it look very easy it's middle distance guard passing here middle distance guard passing here middle distance guard passing here um and he eventually passes to mount I um and he eventually passes to mount I um and he eventually passes to mount I believe believe believe in a very uh again why don't you run in a very uh again why don't you run in a very uh again why don't you run through the sequence where he gets through the sequence where he gets through the sequence where he gets mounted this uh there's a couple I mounted this uh there's a couple I mounted this uh there's a couple I believe he gets mounted twice as I'm not believe he gets mounted twice as I'm not believe he gets mounted twice as I'm not I just back just a little bit further I just back just a little bit further I just back just a little bit further yeah yeah yeah so he's trying to one one arm under yeah

so he's trying to one one arm under yeah so he's trying to one one arm under yeah this is a stacking position now normally this is a stacking position now normally this is a stacking position now normally we always insist on the idea of getting we always insist on the idea of getting we always insist on the idea of getting advantageous angle first controlling the advantageous angle first controlling the advantageous angle first controlling the feet and getting angle feet and getting angle feet and getting angle um but there's a height advantage that um but there's a height advantage that um but there's a height advantage that Victor Hugo has here and the length of Victor Hugo has here and the length of Victor Hugo has here and the length of his legs his legs his legs um means that he can play very very wide um means that he can play very very wide um means that he can play very very wide with his leg so getting an advantageous with his leg so getting an advantageous with his leg so getting an advantageous angle might be difficult in these angle might be difficult in these angle might be difficult in these circumstances it often makes sense to go circumstances it often makes sense to go circumstances it often makes sense to go right up the middle right up the middle right up the middle um now Gordon could just go back for um now Gordon could just go back for um now Gordon could just go back for legs because the legs Victor Hugo's legs legs because the legs Victor Hugo's legs legs because the legs Victor Hugo's legs are so far apart at this point that you are so far apart at this point that you are so far apart at this point that you could easily isolate a leg and attack could easily isolate a leg and attack could easily isolate a leg and attack there but Gordon wanted to uh to show there but Gordon wanted to uh to show there but Gordon wanted to uh to show off his passing prowess very often he'll off his passing prowess very often he'll off his passing prowess very often he'll go into a match and say okay I'm gonna go into a match and say okay I'm gonna go into a match and say okay I'm gonna I'm gonna show this skill and he'll I'm gonna show this skill and he'll I'm gonna show this skill and he'll often use it as a demonstration of um often use it as a demonstration of um often use it as a demonstration of um techniques he teaches in instructional techniques he teaches in instructional techniques he teaches in instructional videos so he wanted to show that he videos so he wanted to show that he videos so he wanted to show that he could pass them out readily on a world could pass them out readily on a world could pass them out readily on a world champion like this part here champion like this part here champion like this part here this little step okay I just freeze it this little step okay I just freeze it this little step okay I just freeze it right there go back one step okay you right there go back one step okay you right there go back one step okay you can clearly see that all of his can clearly see that all of his can clearly see that all of his opponents defensive frames are built on opponents defensive frames are built on opponents defensive frames are built on his opponent's left hand side so his opponent's left hand side so his opponent's left hand side so everything is defense on the on the left everything is defense on the on the left everything is defense on the on the left but you can see this comes at a price but you can see this comes at a price but you can see this comes at a price and that price is back exposure on the and that price is back exposure on the and that price is back exposure on the right hand side you can literally see right hand side you can literally see right hand side you can literally see his opponents back on that side so his opponents back on that side so his opponents back on that side so Gordon's whole uh game is to to place Gordon's whole uh game is to to place Gordon's whole uh game is to to place sufficient pressure that you the sufficient pressure that you the sufficient pressure that you the opponent overcompensates on the side of opponent overcompensates on the side of opponent overcompensates on the side of pressure just to set up a quick switch pressure just to set up a quick switch pressure just to set up a quick switch across to the other side there's the across to the other side there's the across to the other side there's the vulnerability

vulnerability vulnerability there's the back exposure his opponent there's the back exposure his opponent there's the back exposure his opponent has to put his back on the ground has to put his back on the ground has to put his back on the ground switches back that's a world champion switches back that's a world champion switches back that's a world champion right there on bottom who does a good right there on bottom who does a good right there on bottom who does a good job of recovering from the first danger job of recovering from the first danger job of recovering from the first danger but unfortunately Gordon has been here a but unfortunately Gordon has been here a but unfortunately Gordon has been here a thousand times and kicks out a little thousand times and kicks out a little thousand times and kicks out a little little step and so you see there's two little step and so you see there's two little step and so you see there's two changes in Direction left right in a changes in Direction left right in a changes in Direction left right in a very short period of time that people very short period of time that people very short period of time that people find very very hard to keep up with now find very very hard to keep up with now find very very hard to keep up with now his opponent builds up to an album he's his opponent builds up to an album he's his opponent builds up to an album he's looking to to create more and more space looking to to create more and more space looking to to create more and more space from here but Gordon count is by just from here but Gordon count is by just from here but Gordon count is by just stepping over the hips it's just when stepping over the hips it's just when stepping over the hips it's just when and you you feel like every move he's and you you feel like every move he's and you you feel like every move he's doing the right things the man on bottom doing the right things the man on bottom doing the right things the man on bottom is doing well he's doing the right is doing well he's doing the right is doing well he's doing the right things but the other guys just been here things but the other guys just been here things but the other guys just been here too many times and it's just a half too many times and it's just a half too many times and it's just a half second ahead of every decision going up second ahead of every decision going up second ahead of every decision going up in the elbow and Gordon makes it look so easy here and Gordon makes it look so easy here with the it's it almost seems like uh with the it's it almost seems like uh with the it's it almost seems like uh Victor's out Victor's out Victor's out but this turning of the hips with the but this turning of the hips with the but this turning of the hips with the arm over the opponent's back he's able arm over the opponent's back he's able arm over the opponent's back he's able to bring him back down and get and to bring him back down and get and to bring him back down and get and Gordon takes mount notice how golden is never satisfied notice how golden is never satisfied with the mounted position itself he's with the mounted position itself he's with the mounted position itself he's only satisfied with an extended mounted only satisfied with an extended mounted only satisfied with an extended mounted position with the elbow comes up over position with the elbow comes up over position with the elbow comes up over the shoulder line the shoulder line the shoulder line he only then does he show there's a he only then does he show there's a he only then does he show there's a there's a little bit of relief right there's a little bit of relief right there's a little bit of relief right there right right there right right there right right there's a little bit of relief now there's a little bit of relief now there's a little bit of relief now that's that's the look of a man who's that's that's the look of a man who's that's that's the look of a man who's just proved a point

oh yeah this is very Michael Jordan like oh yeah this is very Michael Jordan like sticks his tongue out so yeah I mean sticks his tongue out so yeah I mean sticks his tongue out so yeah I mean there's no points at the stage he really there's no points at the stage he really there's no points at the stage he really is going for submission is this the match that wasn't Gordon was is this the match that wasn't Gordon was the only match where Gordon didn't uh the only match where Gordon didn't uh the only match where Gordon didn't uh finish his opponent by submission was just very frustrating for him was was just very frustrating for him was there uh it's actually interesting that there uh it's actually interesting that there uh it's actually interesting that when he came off the mat when he came off the mat when he came off the mat um uh he was visibly frustrated he um uh he was visibly frustrated he um uh he was visibly frustrated he wanted to uh to get a finish and wanted to uh to get a finish and wanted to uh to get a finish and um I think he was more upset about not um I think he was more upset about not um I think he was more upset about not finishing Victor Hugo then he was finishing Victor Hugo then he was finishing Victor Hugo then he was delighted by winning his two gold medals delighted by winning his two gold medals delighted by winning his two gold medals um um um uh so I think that says a lot about the uh so I think that says a lot about the uh so I think that says a lot about the perfectionism of Gordon Ryan most people perfectionism of Gordon Ryan most people perfectionism of Gordon Ryan most people would be thrilled to beat one of the would be thrilled to beat one of the would be thrilled to beat one of the great Grapplers of this generation great Grapplers of this generation great Grapplers of this generation decisively in this fashion but he was uh decisively in this fashion but he was uh decisively in this fashion but he was uh he was not happy he was not happy he was not happy and so this is a Gordon's third match and so this is a Gordon's third match and so this is a Gordon's third match against uh Souza Roosevelt Souza now against uh Souza Roosevelt Souza now against uh Souza Roosevelt Souza now there's another guy who's yeah very big there's another guy who's yeah very big there's another guy who's yeah very big uh different because now we're on to the uh different because now we're on to the uh different because now we're on to the second day second day second day um your listeners should be aware that um your listeners should be aware that um your listeners should be aware that the event occurs over a two-day period the event occurs over a two-day period the event occurs over a two-day period so the previous two matches occurred on so the previous two matches occurred on so the previous two matches occurred on Saturday now we're into Sunday now this Saturday now we're into Sunday now this Saturday now we're into Sunday now this puts a different context on things if we puts a different context on things if we puts a different context on things if we could just freeze it right there maybe

could just freeze it right there maybe could just freeze it right there maybe go back one step go back one step go back one step um now we're on Sunday morning and the um now we're on Sunday morning and the um now we're on Sunday morning and the idea is that Gordon will be fighting the idea is that Gordon will be fighting the idea is that Gordon will be fighting the biggest fight of his life late that biggest fight of his life late that biggest fight of his life late that afternoon so now we're into the idea of afternoon so now we're into the idea of afternoon so now we're into the idea of energy conservation okay it's okay to energy conservation okay it's okay to energy conservation okay it's okay to have two hard matches on on Saturday have two hard matches on on Saturday have two hard matches on on Saturday because you get to rest on Saturday because you get to rest on Saturday because you get to rest on Saturday night but now Gordon has to beat two night but now Gordon has to beat two night but now Gordon has to beat two people people people back to back and save energy for the back to back and save energy for the back to back and save energy for the biggest fight of his life on Sunday uh biggest fight of his life on Sunday uh biggest fight of his life on Sunday uh late Sunday afternoon so now the late Sunday afternoon so now the late Sunday afternoon so now the emphasis is on a quick win and you can emphasis is on a quick win and you can emphasis is on a quick win and you can see Gordon Ryan see Gordon Ryan see Gordon Ryan certainly delivers on this now when you certainly delivers on this now when you certainly delivers on this now when you go to entangle your opponent's legs the go to entangle your opponent's legs the go to entangle your opponent's legs the basic choice you have is between basic choice you have is between basic choice you have is between straight ashigurami and cross ashigurami straight ashigurami and cross ashigurami straight ashigurami and cross ashigurami um um um in the last five years cross ashigrami in the last five years cross ashigrami in the last five years cross ashigrami has proven to be statistically the more has proven to be statistically the more has proven to be statistically the more important of the two important of the two important of the two um and as a result many people have um and as a result many people have um and as a result many people have forgotten the value of straight forgotten the value of straight forgotten the value of straight ashigurami leg base leg locks and ashigurami leg base leg locks and ashigurami leg base leg locks and undervalued them Gordon has outstanding undervalued them Gordon has outstanding undervalued them Gordon has outstanding heel hooks from both straight and cross heel hooks from both straight and cross heel hooks from both straight and cross positions and his opponent was probably positions and his opponent was probably positions and his opponent was probably more concerned about the danger of a more concerned about the danger of a more concerned about the danger of a cross ashigurami left the the right leg cross ashigurami left the the right leg cross ashigurami left the the right leg uh undefended for far too long and as a uh undefended for far too long and as a uh undefended for far too long and as a result Gordon goes into result Gordon goes into result Gordon goes into a very classical a very classical a very classical ashigrama you would normally expect to ashigrama you would normally expect to ashigrama you would normally expect to see from five or six years ago and gets see from five or six years ago and gets see from five or six years ago and gets a very very quick finish so lifts his

a very very quick finish so lifts his a very very quick finish so lifts his opponent opponent opponent there's the ashigurami the entanglement there's the ashigurami the entanglement there's the ashigurami the entanglement of one of his opponent's legs were two of one of his opponent's legs were two of one of his opponent's legs were two of his now he's got to turn and expose of his now he's got to turn and expose of his now he's got to turn and expose his opponent's heel so there's an his opponent's heel so there's an his opponent's heel so there's an initial off balance to the left to get a initial off balance to the left to get a initial off balance to the left to get a defensive reaction the opponent defensive reaction the opponent defensive reaction the opponent overcompensates exposes his heel and overcompensates exposes his heel and overcompensates exposes his heel and then there's the submission leg being broken here Gordon has a leg being broken here Gordon has a absolutely ferocious uh outside here absolutely ferocious uh outside here absolutely ferocious uh outside here okay until you felt it it's um it's okay until you felt it it's um it's okay until you felt it it's um it's quite different so the the opponent quite different so the the opponent quite different so the the opponent probably before he even felt the heel probably before he even felt the heel probably before he even felt the heel hook felt the control that it's yeah hook felt the control that it's yeah hook felt the control that it's yeah it's I think he's screwed there yeah he it's I think he's screwed there yeah he it's I think he's screwed there yeah he doesn't even want the yeah when someone doesn't even want the yeah when someone doesn't even want the yeah when someone has a someone who knows what they're has a someone who knows what they're has a someone who knows what they're doing gets a bite on your leg like that doing gets a bite on your leg like that doing gets a bite on your leg like that you feel it deep inside your knee and you feel it deep inside your knee and you feel it deep inside your knee and Ankle tendons immediately and um it's there's a sense in which you almost it's there's a sense in which you almost tap tap tap uh he got a couple of TAPS almost almost uh he got a couple of TAPS almost almost uh he got a couple of TAPS almost almost like as if they're early because people like as if they're early because people like as if they're early because people came out to us and said this guy tapped came out to us and said this guy tapped came out to us and said this guy tapped early he's like no he knew yeah yeah he early he's like no he knew yeah yeah he early he's like no he knew yeah yeah he knew that uh late would be a big problem knew that uh late would be a big problem knew that uh late would be a big problem got it so this is within within within got it so this is within within within got it so this is within within within like 30 seconds within 10 seconds he was like 30 seconds within 10 seconds he was like 30 seconds within 10 seconds he was within 10 seconds so this was a within 10 seconds so this was a within 10 seconds so this was a excellent example of someone saying Okay excellent example of someone saying Okay excellent example of someone saying Okay I'm going to conserve energy with a I'm going to conserve energy with a I'm going to conserve energy with a short match I'm not just going to go short match I'm not just going to go short match I'm not just going to go down into a neutral position I'm going down into a neutral position I'm going down into a neutral position I'm going to directly pull into a leg lock attack to directly pull into a leg lock attack to directly pull into a leg lock attack from standing position you don't see from standing position you don't see from standing position you don't see that much in heavyweight divisions

that much in heavyweight divisions that much in heavyweight divisions that's something you see more in the that's something you see more in the that's something you see more in the lightweight divisions lightweight divisions lightweight divisions so we got to go to the final match of uh so we got to go to the final match of uh so we got to go to the final match of uh of Gordon's within his division which I of Gordon's within his division which I of Gordon's within his division which I think think think um as opposed to uh facing Philippe Pena um as opposed to uh facing Philippe Pena um as opposed to uh facing Philippe Pena who lost to Nikki Rod he's Nikki Road who lost to Nikki Rod he's Nikki Road who lost to Nikki Rod he's Nikki Road had a great match against Felipe panett had a great match against Felipe panett had a great match against Felipe panett um uh and uh past Felipe panna's God I um uh and uh past Felipe panna's God I um uh and uh past Felipe panna's God I think only the second person in 80cc think only the second person in 80cc think only the second person in 80cc competition to accomplish that I believe competition to accomplish that I believe competition to accomplish that I believe with the with the body luck uh it with the with the body luck uh it with the with the body luck uh it started as a body lock but he converted started as a body lock but he converted started as a body lock but he converted to half guard top head numb and uh to half guard top head numb and uh to half guard top head numb and uh passed out of half guard top chest to passed out of half guard top chest to passed out of half guard top chest to chest I think I listened to uh uh Craig chest I think I listened to uh uh Craig chest I think I listened to uh uh Craig Jones sort of interview summarizing what Jones sort of interview summarizing what Jones sort of interview summarizing what happened agcc and he briefly mentioned happened agcc and he briefly mentioned happened agcc and he briefly mentioned that uh Nikki Rob might have that uh Nikki Rob might have that uh Nikki Rob might have the best body lock capacity he's ever the best body lock capacity he's ever the best body lock capacity he's ever felt so like they're very very good with felt so like they're very very good with felt so like they're very very good with the ball the way to face I think you're the ball the way to face I think you're the ball the way to face I think you're right is don't get him don't let him get right is don't get him don't let him get right is don't get him don't let him get the body lock but there's any problem if the body lock but there's any problem if the body lock but there's any problem if you stand up he's a good wrestler so he you stand up he's a good wrestler so he you stand up he's a good wrestler so he is there's a dilemma that like you have is there's a dilemma that like you have is there's a dilemma that like you have to sit down to God but that goes into to sit down to God but that goes into to sit down to God but that goes into his body lock but then if you stand up his body lock but then if you stand up his body lock but then if you stand up now you go into his wrestling skill so now you go into his wrestling skill so now you go into his wrestling skill so it's it's a great dilemma that he has it's it's a great dilemma that he has it's it's a great dilemma that he has and that that's what uh in in facing and facing uh Nikki Rod in in facing and facing uh Nikki Rod going run here chooses to going run here chooses to going run here chooses to foreign foreign foreign yeah if if you look at the limbs there's yeah if if you look at the limbs there's yeah if if you look at the limbs there's a relaxation there we should also a relaxation there we should also a relaxation there we should also explain some things here uh this is a

explain some things here uh this is a explain some things here uh this is a finals match so instead of being 10 finals match so instead of being 10 finals match so instead of being 10 minutes long it's 20 minutes long with minutes long it's 20 minutes long with minutes long it's 20 minutes long with the option of a 20 minute overtime so the option of a 20 minute overtime so the option of a 20 minute overtime so this could potentially be a 40-minute this could potentially be a 40-minute this could potentially be a 40-minute match so you can see why the ADCC people match so you can see why the ADCC people match so you can see why the ADCC people were very concerned about Gordon doing were very concerned about Gordon doing were very concerned about Gordon doing this match because what if what if this this match because what if what if this this match because what if what if this match had gone 40 minutes and then an match had gone 40 minutes and then an match had gone 40 minutes and then an exhaustive Gordon Ryan has to go out to exhaustive Gordon Ryan has to go out to exhaustive Gordon Ryan has to go out to fight Andre Galvan who's fresh and and fight Andre Galvan who's fresh and and fight Andre Galvan who's fresh and and ready to Maul them and then top of that ready to Maul them and then top of that ready to Maul them and then top of that is former two former teammates who know is former two former teammates who know is former two former teammates who know each other's game very well so there was each other's game very well so there was each other's game very well so there was a high likelihood of most people's minds a high likelihood of most people's minds a high likelihood of most people's minds that this would go the distance because that this would go the distance because that this would go the distance because you know when you train with each other you know when you train with each other you know when you train with each other for years every single day in the gym for years every single day in the gym for years every single day in the gym seven days a week you you get to know seven days a week you you get to know seven days a week you you get to know each other's tricks each other's tricks each other's tricks um one big problem here for Nikki Rod is um one big problem here for Nikki Rod is um one big problem here for Nikki Rod is that uh his body lot guard passing game that uh his body lot guard passing game that uh his body lot guard passing game which is his main way from the ground which is his main way from the ground which is his main way from the ground was taught to him by us so it's not like was taught to him by us so it's not like was taught to him by us so it's not like we're going to be taken by surprise by we're going to be taken by surprise by we're going to be taken by surprise by it so that that must have been figuring it so that that must have been figuring it so that that must have been figuring in his mind do you think uh in his mind do you think uh in his mind do you think uh psychologically for Gordon and psychologically for Gordon and psychologically for Gordon and psychologically for Nick Iran it's tough psychologically for Nick Iran it's tough psychologically for Nick Iran it's tough so for him with that body lock for so for him with that body lock for so for him with that body lock for example do you think it's tough for him example do you think it's tough for him example do you think it's tough for him to know what to do here uh it's tough to know what to do here uh it's tough to know what to do here uh it's tough because he would have remembered the because he would have remembered the because he would have remembered the outcome of the training sessions it's outcome of the training sessions it's outcome of the training sessions it's hard to go up against a guy who hard to go up against a guy who hard to go up against a guy who used to dominate you on training and used to dominate you on training and used to dominate you on training and then say okay I'm going to beat him in then say okay I'm going to beat him in then say okay I'm going to beat him in competition again you shut all that off competition again you shut all that off competition again you shut all that off because it's tough man memory is memory because it's tough man memory is memory because it's tough man memory is memory you can't lie to yourself you know what you can't lie to yourself you know what you can't lie to yourself you know what do you think about competition instead

do you think about competition instead do you think about competition instead of there there's been a lot of Olympics of there there's been a lot of Olympics of there there's been a lot of Olympics bring this out there's been a lot of big bring this out there's been a lot of big bring this out there's been a lot of big upsets at the Olympics there's something upsets at the Olympics there's something upsets at the Olympics there's something where people find something in them I where people find something in them I where people find something in them I mean Judo mean Judo mean Judo is it is a different sport than is it is a different sport than is it is a different sport than grappling in Judo there's much more room grappling in Judo there's much more room grappling in Judo there's much more room for upset because a mistake in Judo will have ramifications that will be will have ramifications that will be felt within half a second like if you if felt within half a second like if you if felt within half a second like if you if you take the wrong grip and Judo you can you take the wrong grip and Judo you can you take the wrong grip and Judo you can be thrown in half a second and there's be thrown in half a second and there's be thrown in half a second and there's no recovery if your two Shoulders hit no recovery if your two Shoulders hit no recovery if your two Shoulders hit the map the momentum it's over it's done the map the momentum it's over it's done the map the momentum it's over it's done um um um in Jiu Jitsu you could especially in in Jiu Jitsu you could especially in in Jiu Jitsu you could especially in ADCC where there's no points in the ADCC where there's no points in the ADCC where there's no points in the first five minutes you could get taken first five minutes you could get taken first five minutes you could get taken down and mounted by your opponent and down and mounted by your opponent and down and mounted by your opponent and still win like you can recover from a still win like you can recover from a still win like you can recover from a bad start in Judo boxing kickboxing bad start in Judo boxing kickboxing bad start in Judo boxing kickboxing MMA you get hit there's no recovery time MMA you get hit there's no recovery time MMA you get hit there's no recovery time you just get swarmed on and um Jiu Jitsu you just get swarmed on and um Jiu Jitsu you just get swarmed on and um Jiu Jitsu is a much more forgiving sport where you is a much more forgiving sport where you is a much more forgiving sport where you can make a series of blunders and you can make a series of blunders and you can make a series of blunders and you just recover from them you don't make a just recover from them you don't make a just recover from them you don't make a series of blunders and boxing you're series of blunders and boxing you're series of blunders and boxing you're unconscious so that there's the blunder unconscious so that there's the blunder unconscious so that there's the blunder case but there's also been just people case but there's also been just people case but there's also been just people where it's their day where it's their day where it's their day I mean again maybe it's romanticized in I mean again maybe it's romanticized in I mean again maybe it's romanticized in the notion but there's been some epic the notion but there's been some epic the notion but there's been some epic performances in Russ in Olympic performances in Russ in Olympic performances in Russ in Olympic wrestling in Olympic Judo as an example wrestling in Olympic Judo as an example wrestling in Olympic Judo as an example satoshiishi he had a 2008 performance we satoshiishi he had a 2008 performance we satoshiishi he had a 2008 performance we talked about all Japan and all that kind talked about all Japan and all that kind talked about all Japan and all that kind of stuff but the Olympics he destroyed of stuff but the Olympics he destroyed of stuff but the Olympics he destroyed uh everybody on this path to the Olympic

uh everybody on this path to the Olympic uh everybody on this path to the Olympic gold medal and that's when Teddy Romero gold medal and that's when Teddy Romero gold medal and that's when Teddy Romero was also competing he got the bronze so was also competing he got the bronze so was also competing he got the bronze so I mean that I mean that I mean that now you could say he was at that time now you could say he was at that time now you could say he was at that time the best in the world also but he I mean the best in the world also but he I mean the best in the world also but he I mean yeah but I think it would be very fair yeah but I think it would be very fair yeah but I think it would be very fair to say he was the best in the world I he to say he was the best in the world I he to say he was the best in the world I he think about the people he beat to win think about the people he beat to win think about the people he beat to win three old Japan championships like he three old Japan championships like he three old Japan championships like he beat kosai in a way uh he beat kg Suzuki beat kosai in a way uh he beat kg Suzuki beat kosai in a way uh he beat kg Suzuki they were Olympic Champions like he was they were Olympic Champions like he was they were Olympic Champions like he was already so you don't believe him he will already so you don't believe him he will already so you don't believe him he will I don't believe that a person can walk I don't believe that a person can walk I don't believe that a person can walk on stage and be better than what day is on stage and be better than what day is on stage and be better than what day is supposed to be you you have a skill supposed to be you you have a skill supposed to be you you have a skill level it's set in stone this is your level it's set in stone this is your level it's set in stone this is your skill level you don't just go on stage skill level you don't just go on stage skill level you don't just go on stage and suddenly your school level gets here and suddenly your school level gets here and suddenly your school level gets here what you do have is a situation where what you do have is a situation where what you do have is a situation where you have a skill level okay you have a skill level okay you have a skill level okay another opponent has a higher skill another opponent has a higher skill another opponent has a higher skill level but he runs into confidence issues level but he runs into confidence issues level but he runs into confidence issues so that he only uses a small percentage so that he only uses a small percentage so that he only uses a small percentage of his actual skills and then he will of his actual skills and then he will of his actual skills and then he will fall below someone who is technically fall below someone who is technically fall below someone who is technically lower on the skill scale than he is that lower on the skill scale than he is that lower on the skill scale than he is that can happen can happen can happen but you can't just magically acquire but you can't just magically acquire but you can't just magically acquire skills yeah but they're able to fall in skills yeah but they're able to fall in skills yeah but they're able to fall in confidence yes so the question becomes confidence yes so the question becomes confidence yes so the question becomes who manages that for best and that can who manages that for best and that can who manages that for best and that can create upsets absolutely so you don't create upsets absolutely so you don't create upsets absolutely so you don't think Gordon could have fallen in think Gordon could have fallen in think Gordon could have fallen in confidence against the former teammate confidence against the former teammate confidence against the former teammate when the pressure is so high there was when the pressure is so high there was when the pressure is so high there was just no basis for a fall to occur you just no basis for a fall to occur you just no basis for a fall to occur you said he doesn't have confidence issues

said he doesn't have confidence issues said he doesn't have confidence issues is uh what do you attribute that to is uh what do you attribute that to is uh what do you attribute that to that's because he never loses in the gym that's because he never loses in the gym that's because he never loses in the gym I mean there's there's nothing in the I mean there's there's nothing in the I mean there's there's nothing in the there's no experience that he's had that there's no experience that he's had that there's no experience that he's had that would make him say I shouldn't be this would make him say I shouldn't be this would make him say I shouldn't be this confident so it's the physical uh it's confident so it's the physical uh it's confident so it's the physical uh it's like uh like we talked about mental like uh like we talked about mental like uh like we talked about mental preparation but don't get me wrong if preparation but don't get me wrong if preparation but don't get me wrong if Gordon lost 20 matches in a row of Gordon lost 20 matches in a row of Gordon lost 20 matches in a row of course his confidence would drop because course his confidence would drop because course his confidence would drop because experience is now experience is now experience is now there's going to be a psychological uh there's going to be a psychological uh there's going to be a psychological uh dissonance between dissonance between dissonance between uh his experience his recent experience uh his experience his recent experience uh his experience his recent experience and what he believes okay if you believe and what he believes okay if you believe and what he believes okay if you believe you're best in the world you just lost you're best in the world you just lost you're best in the world you just lost 20 matches at some point reality is 20 matches at some point reality is 20 matches at some point reality is going to break in but if you're just going to break in but if you're just going to break in but if you're just never losing in competition never losing in competition never losing in competition dominating people in the gym dominating people in the gym dominating people in the gym then there's nothing in your experience then there's nothing in your experience then there's nothing in your experience that would shake your confidence can I that would shake your confidence can I that would shake your confidence can I ask you this just in a small tangent why ask you this just in a small tangent why ask you this just in a small tangent why is Gordon Ryan so good so we're looking is Gordon Ryan so good so we're looking is Gordon Ryan so good so we're looking at you've trained a lot of special at you've trained a lot of special at you've trained a lot of special athletes you're a special human being athletes you're a special human being athletes you're a special human being yourself yourself yourself I could just look at human history I could just look at human history I could just look at human history there's a lot of there's a lot of there's a lot of not a lot there's some special humans it not a lot there's some special humans it not a lot there's some special humans it seems like Gordon Ryan is one of them I seems like Gordon Ryan is one of them I seems like Gordon Ryan is one of them I I totally agree with that can you try to I totally agree with that can you try to I totally agree with that can you try to like dissect that's what I mean when I like dissect that's what I mean when I like dissect that's what I mean when I said I had many students but only one said I had many students but only one said I had many students but only one Gordon Ryan like I've taught many many Gordon Ryan like I've taught many many Gordon Ryan like I've taught many many people but they don't all have his skill people but they don't all have his skill people but they don't all have his skill level so there's an obvious elephants in level so there's an obvious elephants in level so there's an obvious elephants in the room be okay what distinguishes him the room be okay what distinguishes him the room be okay what distinguishes him from from other athletes from from other athletes from from other athletes great question I'll try and give an great question I'll try and give an great question I'll try and give an answer

more than anyone else that I've ever more than anyone else that I've ever taught he has a memory taught he has a memory taught he has a memory for things that were taught to him for things that were taught to him for things that were taught to him he has an ability to recall information he has an ability to recall information he has an ability to recall information that is extraordinary compared with that is extraordinary compared with that is extraordinary compared with other people in the room so that's other people in the room so that's other people in the room so that's definitely a big part of it secondly he has a pride in technique and secondly he has a pride in technique and Technical prowess Technical prowess Technical prowess that will not allow him to settle for that will not allow him to settle for that will not allow him to settle for anything less than Perfection and he anything less than Perfection and he anything less than Perfection and he will hate himself when there is will hate himself when there is will hate himself when there is imperfection imperfection imperfection so there is a love of excellence and a so there is a love of excellence and a so there is a love of excellence and a hatred of anything less than than hatred of anything less than than hatred of anything less than than excellence he has he has an ability an ability an ability to pull the trigger to pull the trigger to pull the trigger when opportunity arises when opportunity arises when opportunity arises which is truly extraordinary which is truly extraordinary which is truly extraordinary many people know what to do but when the many people know what to do but when the many people know what to do but when the moment comes moment comes moment comes they back off they back off they back off and they'll doubt themselves and they'll doubt themselves and they'll doubt themselves if Gordon sees the opportunity the if Gordon sees the opportunity the if Gordon sees the opportunity the trigger pulls every time trigger pulls every time trigger pulls every time so again I just just link on that so again I just just link on that so again I just just link on that absolutely there's a few times where he absolutely there's a few times where he absolutely there's a few times where he gets a little bit of an advantage and he gets a little bit of an advantage and he gets a little bit of an advantage and he just chases it to get a big like uh with just chases it to get a big like uh with just chases it to get a big like uh with Andre gaval you know you get it's like Andre gaval you know you get it's like Andre gaval you know you get it's like uh there's a dance and you get one step uh there's a dance and you get one step uh there's a dance and you get one step ahead and he's able to chase that you ahead and he's able to chase that you ahead and he's able to chase that you know get a little glimmer of the back know get a little glimmer of the back know get a little glimmer of the back and he's able to chase that all the way

and he's able to chase that all the way and he's able to chase that all the way to back control to back control to back control so that that is that kind of the trigger so that that is that kind of the trigger so that that is that kind of the trigger that you're referring to yes it runs that you're referring to yes it runs that you're referring to yes it runs deeper than that too it's the idea that deeper than that too it's the idea that deeper than that too it's the idea that good athletes are greedy athletes good athletes are greedy athletes good athletes are greedy athletes okay when they see a small opportunity okay when they see a small opportunity okay when they see a small opportunity they try and get a as big a bite of it they try and get a as big a bite of it they try and get a as big a bite of it as possible so that the manager that we as possible so that the manager that we as possible so that the manager that we always have in training if you can see always have in training if you can see always have in training if you can see the back you can take the back and if the back you can take the back and if the back you can take the back and if Gordon sees an inch of your back Gordon sees an inch of your back Gordon sees an inch of your back you know that's the duration he's going you know that's the duration he's going you know that's the duration he's going to be going if your far shoulder is to be going if your far shoulder is to be going if your far shoulder is within an inch of the floor he's going within an inch of the floor he's going within an inch of the floor he's going to be mounting you uh if your shoulder to be mounting you uh if your shoulder to be mounting you uh if your shoulder comes off the floor he'll be on your comes off the floor he'll be on your comes off the floor he'll be on your back on the other side back on the other side back on the other side um he's a maximalist with opportunity um he's a maximalist with opportunity um he's a maximalist with opportunity he's not satisfied with oh let me get a he's not satisfied with oh let me get a he's not satisfied with oh let me get a good enough outcome it's like I want the good enough outcome it's like I want the good enough outcome it's like I want the maximal outcome so when you combine all maximal outcome so when you combine all maximal outcome so when you combine all these things together an ability to these things together an ability to these things together an ability to recall information recall information recall information which is just which is just which is just far superior to anyone else I've ever far superior to anyone else I've ever far superior to anyone else I've ever coached coached coached um an ability to um an ability to um an ability to work in the training room towards not work in the training room towards not work in the training room towards not just good technique but excellent just good technique but excellent just good technique but excellent technique the conference to pull the trigger the conference to pull the trigger whenever the opportunity arises a whenever the opportunity arises a whenever the opportunity arises a maximalist mindset where maximalist mindset where maximalist mindset where It's never enough to have a good enough It's never enough to have a good enough It's never enough to have a good enough outcome it's always got to be the best outcome it's always got to be the best outcome it's always got to be the best possible outcome and and The Fifth Element which I believe is The Fifth Element which I believe is The Fifth Element which I believe is very very important very very important very very important is

extraordinary depth extraordinary depth in his technical prowess in his technical prowess in his technical prowess in particular with regards his defense in particular with regards his defense in particular with regards his defense of Acumen everyone looks at Gordon and of Acumen everyone looks at Gordon and of Acumen everyone looks at Gordon and focuses on his offensive prowess because focuses on his offensive prowess because focuses on his offensive prowess because they see him dominate other athletes but what they don't see is what I see but what they don't see is what I see every day in the gym where he works from every day in the gym where he works from every day in the gym where he works from impossibly Bad defensive positions impossibly Bad defensive positions impossibly Bad defensive positions someone locked in on a full heel hook someone locked in on a full heel hook someone locked in on a full heel hook on his body on a full Duty guitar me on his body on a full Duty guitar me on his body on a full Duty guitar me Amber Amber Amber and a complete pin mounted with Gordon's and a complete pin mounted with Gordon's and a complete pin mounted with Gordon's two arms stretched out over his head in two arms stretched out over his head in two arms stretched out over his head in what looks like a hopeless position what looks like a hopeless position what looks like a hopeless position and Gordon will work in these positions and Gordon will work in these positions and Gordon will work in these positions and of course because it's such a bad and of course because it's such a bad and of course because it's such a bad position sometimes you'll have to tap position sometimes you'll have to tap position sometimes you'll have to tap but he just works so relentlessly in but he just works so relentlessly in but he just works so relentlessly in these bad positions that when he steps these bad positions that when he steps these bad positions that when he steps on stage on stage on stage he say he say he say if this guy got the worst possible if this guy got the worst possible if this guy got the worst possible position on me there's nothing he could position on me there's nothing he could position on me there's nothing he could do with it and within 30 seconds I could do with it and within 30 seconds I could do with it and within 30 seconds I could turn it around on him and win this match an overall breadth and depth which is an overall breadth and depth which is very very hard to deal with it means very very hard to deal with it means very very hard to deal with it means there's no obvious weak point where you there's no obvious weak point where you there's no obvious weak point where you can just say okay I'm going to attack can just say okay I'm going to attack can just say okay I'm going to attack him here and use this strategy to to him here and use this strategy to to him here and use this strategy to to beat them beat them beat them um and that goes back to uh his confidence and that goes back to uh his confidence that

that that the reason why most people lack the reason why most people lack the reason why most people lack confidence is they fear about bad confidence is they fear about bad confidence is they fear about bad outcomes okay if if you're a strong outcomes okay if if you're a strong outcomes okay if if you're a strong guard player guard player guard player you've got an excellent guide but you're you've got an excellent guide but you're you've got an excellent guide but you're terrified of leg logs and your opponent terrified of leg logs and your opponent terrified of leg logs and your opponent has strong leg logs you will shut down has strong leg logs you will shut down has strong leg logs you will shut down your own guard your own guard your own guard and won't play as freely and well as you and won't play as freely and well as you and won't play as freely and well as you normally do because you're afraid of the normally do because you're afraid of the normally do because you're afraid of the leg lock danger you'll pull your feet in leg lock danger you'll pull your feet in leg lock danger you'll pull your feet in You'll Play a very You'll Play a very You'll Play a very conservative guard game conservative guard game conservative guard game but if you had extremely adept but if you had extremely adept but if you had extremely adept leg lock defense then you just play with leg lock defense then you just play with leg lock defense then you just play with all the uh the confidence you normally all the uh the confidence you normally all the uh the confidence you normally do from from guard position do from from guard position do from from guard position um Gordon puts himself in that situation um Gordon puts himself in that situation um Gordon puts himself in that situation he's so defensively sound he's so defensively sound he's so defensively sound that it translates into his offense of that it translates into his offense of that it translates into his offense of confidence confidence confidence when you talk about memory recall which when you talk about memory recall which when you talk about memory recall which is interesting I can't help but see is interesting I can't help but see is interesting I can't help but see parallels between him and Magnus Carlson parallels between him and Magnus Carlson parallels between him and Magnus Carlson who's a chess player who's the number who's a chess player who's the number who's a chess player who's the number one in the world one in the world one in the world the arguably the best ever certainly the the arguably the best ever certainly the the arguably the best ever certainly the best ever if you just look absolute best ever if you just look absolute best ever if you just look absolute numbers the chess has the luxury of numbers the chess has the luxury of numbers the chess has the luxury of having a rating having a rating having a rating which you can't have it cannot have in which you can't have it cannot have in which you can't have it cannot have in Jiu Jitsu because it's a game of human Jiu Jitsu because it's a game of human Jiu Jitsu because it's a game of human just chess is just a board game so you just chess is just a board game so you just chess is just a board game so you can actually calculate the probability can actually calculate the probability can actually calculate the probability that you could win so he is the highest that you could win so he is the highest that you could win so he is the highest ELO rating uh ever and he's maintained ELO rating uh ever and he's maintained ELO rating uh ever and he's maintained that rating he can without competing that rating he can without competing that rating he can without competing against against against the number two in the world he could the number two in the world he could the number two in the world he could just prove that he's the number one in just prove that he's the number one in just prove that he's the number one in the world for many years uh anyway

the world for many years uh anyway the world for many years uh anyway there's uh certain similarities one's there's uh certain similarities one's there's uh certain similarities one's ability to re recall so memory recall of ability to re recall so memory recall of ability to re recall so memory recall of information is fascinatingly good and information is fascinatingly good and information is fascinatingly good and the other one is not so much a love for the other one is not so much a love for the other one is not so much a love for Perfection which is something you Perfection which is something you Perfection which is something you mentioned but yeah the flip side of that mentioned but yeah the flip side of that mentioned but yeah the flip side of that which is what you also mentioned is the which is what you also mentioned is the which is what you also mentioned is the hate of imperfection uh now in the case hate of imperfection uh now in the case hate of imperfection uh now in the case of Magnus of Magnus of Magnus it almost uh it almost uh it almost uh creates a level of anxiety for him creates a level of anxiety for him creates a level of anxiety for him that's almost destructive that's almost destructive that's almost destructive so the thing he seems to hate the most so the thing he seems to hate the most so the thing he seems to hate the most is imperfection against people he knows is imperfection against people he knows is imperfection against people he knows are worse than him are worse than him are worse than him so the thing he loves is competing so the thing he loves is competing so the thing he loves is competing against people that are close to the against people that are close to the against people that are close to the skill level or the favorite is people skill level or the favorite is people skill level or the favorite is people who are might actually be better than who are might actually be better than who are might actually be better than him especially in certain positions he him especially in certain positions he him especially in certain positions he loves competing against them he hates loves competing against them he hates loves competing against them he hates competing against people that are competing against people that are competing against people that are um still from the perspective of um still from the perspective of um still from the perspective of everyone else everyone else everyone else uh what are called super Grand Master so uh what are called super Grand Master so uh what are called super Grand Master so top three in the world but he knows he's top three in the world but he knows he's top three in the world but he knows he's much better than them and the anxiety of much better than them and the anxiety of much better than them and the anxiety of being not perfect against those people being not perfect against those people being not perfect against those people that's why that's why he I don't know if that's why that's why he I don't know if that's why that's why he I don't know if you're paying attention but he stepped you're paying attention but he stepped you're paying attention but he stepped away he's not going to defend his world away he's not going to defend his world away he's not going to defend his world championship championship championship uh because he hates the anxiety of uh because he hates the anxiety of uh because he hates the anxiety of playing people worse than him playing people worse than him playing people worse than him interesting so he figures they would interesting so he figures they would interesting so he figures they would somehow make him look bad or no he just somehow make him look bad or no he just somehow make him look bad or no he just for him at least the language he uses is

for him at least the language he uses is for him at least the language he uses is just not fun just not fun just not fun and he likes having fun it's to him it and he likes having fun it's to him it and he likes having fun it's to him it was fun to win no matter the skill level was fun to win no matter the skill level was fun to win no matter the skill level the world championship the first time the world championship the first time the world championship the first time but then defending it is a very grueling but then defending it is a very grueling but then defending it is a very grueling process process process is is is um um um with classical chess you play these many with classical chess you play these many with classical chess you play these many hours could be seven hour long games hours could be seven hour long games hours could be seven hour long games and and and uh on on top of that he really hates the uh on on top of that he really hates the uh on on top of that he really hates the fact that it's only I forget what it is fact that it's only I forget what it is fact that it's only I forget what it is but it's single digit number of games he but it's single digit number of games he but it's single digit number of games he says it's it's low sample says it's it's low sample says it's it's low sample so uh I can't so uh I can't so uh I can't I would like to play 20 30 40 50 games I would like to play 20 30 40 50 games I would like to play 20 30 40 50 games if we're going to do it this way but if we're going to do it this way but if we're going to do it this way but then they're too long it's going to take then they're too long it's going to take then they're too long it's going to take too long so he's really emphasizes the too long so he's really emphasizes the too long so he's really emphasizes the the the fun of it and the clear the the fun of it and the clear the the fun of it and the clear demonstration of who's the best now demonstration of who's the best now demonstration of who's the best now chess chess chess is an interesting game it's probably is an interesting game it's probably is an interesting game it's probably different than grappling because it's different than grappling because it's different than grappling because it's been played for centuries so there's been played for centuries so there's been played for centuries so there's this giant body of people that are this giant body of people that are this giant body of people that are playing it like there's other Gordon playing it like there's other Gordon playing it like there's other Gordon Ryan's out there imagine a world where Ryan's out there imagine a world where Ryan's out there imagine a world where there's multiple Gordon Ryan's or there's multiple Gordon Ryan's or there's multiple Gordon Ryan's or something like that just different something like that just different something like that just different dimensions but uh you have like sharks dimensions but uh you have like sharks dimensions but uh you have like sharks everywhere and so there there is fun to everywhere and so there there is fun to everywhere and so there there is fun to be had even at the very very very very be had even at the very very very very be had even at the very very very very very top but the the memory recall is very top but the the memory recall is very top but the the memory recall is the thing that stands out and the hate the thing that stands out and the hate the thing that stands out and the hate of imperfection uh more intense than of imperfection uh more intense than of imperfection uh more intense than anybody else in the game fascinating

anybody else in the game fascinating anybody else in the game fascinating that takes us back to the final ah yes that takes us back to the final ah yes that takes us back to the final ah yes so uh here Gordon is facing uh Nikki Rod so uh here Gordon is facing uh Nikki Rod so uh here Gordon is facing uh Nikki Rod former training Pana and former training Pana and former training Pana and um again the intention here is this has um again the intention here is this has um again the intention here is this has to be put in the context that Gordon to be put in the context that Gordon to be put in the context that Gordon will be fighting the greatest ACC will be fighting the greatest ACC will be fighting the greatest ACC Grappler of all time in a few hours Grappler of all time in a few hours Grappler of all time in a few hours after this so what we're looking for is after this so what we're looking for is after this so what we're looking for is a uh a quick a uh a quick a uh a quick resolution resolution resolution um still the shortest possible match now um still the shortest possible match now um still the shortest possible match now there's a complicating Factor here Nikki there's a complicating Factor here Nikki there's a complicating Factor here Nikki Rod was a wrestler before he was a jiu Rod was a wrestler before he was a jiu Rod was a wrestler before he was a jiu jitsu player jitsu player jitsu player on paper on paper on paper the way his route to win is via the way his route to win is via the way his route to win is via wrestling is not going to be able to wrestling is not going to be able to wrestling is not going to be able to um um um submit Gordon Ryan and he's knocking submit Gordon Ryan and he's knocking submit Gordon Ryan and he's knocking about to pass his guard so he has to win about to pass his guard so he has to win about to pass his guard so he has to win by wrestling by wrestling by wrestling in the ADCC finals you cannot set to in the ADCC finals you cannot set to in the ADCC finals you cannot set to guard so the the approach that Gordon guard so the the approach that Gordon guard so the the approach that Gordon used earlier that we saw on video cannot used earlier that we saw on video cannot used earlier that we saw on video cannot be used in the finals Gordon must be used in the finals Gordon must be used in the finals Gordon must wrestle his opponent wrestle his opponent wrestle his opponent so so so on the way out uh Gordon and I were talking and we'd uh Gordon and I were talking and we'd had discussions obviously during the had discussions obviously during the had discussions obviously during the camp what's the appropriate thing to do camp what's the appropriate thing to do camp what's the appropriate thing to do here here here and there had been some matches earlier in the event where it matches earlier in the event where it was becoming obvious that stalling was becoming obvious that stalling was becoming obvious that stalling was being heavily punished by referees

so so I said to Gordon on the way out just I said to Gordon on the way out just I said to Gordon on the way out just give him your leg give him your leg give him your leg let him take you down because in the let him take you down because in the let him take you down because in the first 10 minutes of the finals takedowns first 10 minutes of the finals takedowns first 10 minutes of the finals takedowns don't score anything well there are no don't score anything well there are no don't score anything well there are no there are no means of scoring the first there are no means of scoring the first there are no means of scoring the first 10 minutes but you can't sit to God that 10 minutes but you can't sit to God that 10 minutes but you can't sit to God that will be that will award you a negative will be that will award you a negative will be that will award you a negative point so I said just let Nikki Royal point so I said just let Nikki Royal point so I said just let Nikki Royal take you down and he's like Nikki Rod's take you down and he's like Nikki Rod's take you down and he's like Nikki Rod's not going to take the bait and I said if not going to take the bait and I said if not going to take the bait and I said if he doesn't they'll call him for stalling he doesn't they'll call him for stalling he doesn't they'll call him for stalling and so and and then Craig Jones also and so and and then Craig Jones also and so and and then Craig Jones also commented after the fact is I don't know commented after the fact is I don't know commented after the fact is I don't know why Nikki took the beat um so if we see the start of the match um so if we see the start of the match you see Gordon comes out and offers a you see Gordon comes out and offers a you see Gordon comes out and offers a leg now it's not that you know Nikki leg now it's not that you know Nikki leg now it's not that you know Nikki right is smart he knows what's happening right is smart he knows what's happening right is smart he knows what's happening here and uh what's he going to do store here and uh what's he going to do store here and uh what's he going to do store for 10 minutes and get like five for 10 minutes and get like five for 10 minutes and get like five restoring calls put against them so restoring calls put against them so restoring calls put against them so Gordon gives them the takedown that way Gordon gives them the takedown that way Gordon gives them the takedown that way they go to the ground immediately with they go to the ground immediately with they go to the ground immediately with no effort and the match now favors no effort and the match now favors no effort and the match now favors Gordon because Gordon is Gordon because Gordon is Gordon because Gordon is uh significantly more skilled on the uh significantly more skilled on the uh significantly more skilled on the ground ground ground um um um the question is how can we make this the question is how can we make this the question is how can we make this match as short as possible and as is so match as short as possible and as is so match as short as possible and as is so often the case the answer comes back to often the case the answer comes back to often the case the answer comes back to legs legs legs so uh for people just listening to this so uh for people just listening to this so uh for people just listening to this Gordon is in an open guard and nicarad Gordon is in an open guard and nicarad Gordon is in an open guard and nicarad appears to be trying to keep his hips appears to be trying to keep his hips appears to be trying to keep his hips away from Gordon's legs yes the big away from Gordon's legs yes the big away from Gordon's legs yes the big Nikki Rod knows there's a danger here so Nikki Rod knows there's a danger here so Nikki Rod knows there's a danger here so he's elected to go to his knees that he's elected to go to his knees that he's elected to go to his knees that will set up his favorite body lock will set up his favorite body lock will set up his favorite body lock passes and it will in some ways mitigate

passes and it will in some ways mitigate passes and it will in some ways mitigate some of the dangers associated with leg some of the dangers associated with leg some of the dangers associated with leg locks so Gordon's whole thing is how am locks so Gordon's whole thing is how am locks so Gordon's whole thing is how am I going to get my body weight underneath I going to get my body weight underneath I going to get my body weight underneath them here's a choice between linear them here's a choice between linear them here's a choice between linear entries where he enters between his entries where he enters between his entries where he enters between his opponent's knees and circular entries opponent's knees and circular entries opponent's knees and circular entries where he inverts and Spins underneath where he inverts and Spins underneath where he inverts and Spins underneath his opponent to get under a center of his opponent to get under a center of his opponent to get under a center of gravity is is there a way for somebody gravity is is there a way for somebody gravity is is there a way for somebody to try to get a body lock without giving to try to get a body lock without giving to try to get a body lock without giving Gordon an opportunity to get under under Gordon an opportunity to get under under Gordon an opportunity to get under under them uh well the body lock is an them uh well the body lock is an them uh well the body lock is an excellent way to shut down leg lock excellent way to shut down leg lock excellent way to shut down leg lock entries if you can get to the body lock entries if you can get to the body lock entries if you can get to the body lock but you can see Gordon's very very but you can see Gordon's very very but you can see Gordon's very very disciplined with his elbow and knee disciplined with his elbow and knee disciplined with his elbow and knee position elbows and knees are working in position elbows and knees are working in position elbows and knees are working in a position where it's very very hard for a position where it's very very hard for a position where it's very very hard for his opponent to access his waste that shoulder is always either across that shoulder is always either across the hip or in front of the shoulder the hip or in front of the shoulder the hip or in front of the shoulder sorry his knee is either in front of the sorry his knee is either in front of the sorry his knee is either in front of the shoulder or in front of the hip and shoulder or in front of the hip and shoulder or in front of the hip and we're one minute into the match and just we're one minute into the match and just we're one minute into the match and just if I were to look at the video player if I were to look at the video player if I were to look at the video player here it appears that the match is over here it appears that the match is over here it appears that the match is over soon so uh soon so uh soon so uh so I guess Nicki Wright is facing this I so I guess Nicki Wright is facing this I so I guess Nicki Wright is facing this I need to get close in order to do the uh need to get close in order to do the uh need to get close in order to do the uh the body lock and the closer you get the the body lock and the closer you get the the body lock and the closer you get the more danger there is uh to let Gordon get uh under you and uh to let Gordon get uh under you and get the leg control to get close here Gordon's going to try

to get close here Gordon's going to try and get his head underneath this and get his head underneath this and get his head underneath this opponent make a circular entry into the opponent make a circular entry into the opponent make a circular entry into the legs legs legs he's clearing his opponent's head out of he's clearing his opponent's head out of he's clearing his opponent's head out of the way by faking the arm drag on the the way by faking the arm drag on the the way by faking the arm drag on the far side the first move that he used far side the first move that he used far side the first move that he used against his uh first opponent earlier in against his uh first opponent earlier in against his uh first opponent earlier in the tournament and there's the leg spins the tournament and there's the leg spins the tournament and there's the leg spins underneath it underneath it underneath it go circular rotates through gets his go circular rotates through gets his go circular rotates through gets his body weight underneath his opponent okay body weight underneath his opponent okay body weight underneath his opponent okay now he's going to trip him down to the now he's going to trip him down to the now he's going to trip him down to the mat now uh I believe Nigeria tries to mat now uh I believe Nigeria tries to mat now uh I believe Nigeria tries to pull out his foot here pull out his foot here pull out his foot here and Craig also said that nicarad has and Craig also said that nicarad has and Craig also said that nicarad has gotten used to being able to pull that gotten used to being able to pull that gotten used to being able to pull that foot out from anybody and that he was foot out from anybody and that he was foot out from anybody and that he was very surprised at the grip very surprised at the grip very surprised at the grip that that Gordon was able to actually that that Gordon was able to actually that that Gordon was able to actually hold on hold on hold on so I just want to comment I'm I'm just so I just want to comment I'm I'm just so I just want to comment I'm I'm just I'm just parroting commentary um if you I'm just parroting commentary um if you I'm just parroting commentary um if you look at what's happening here from the look at what's happening here from the look at what's happening here from the internet uh just if you just freeze it internet uh just if you just freeze it internet uh just if you just freeze it you'll see that Gordon like any good leg you'll see that Gordon like any good leg you'll see that Gordon like any good leg Locker will always treat his opponent's Locker will always treat his opponent's Locker will always treat his opponent's foot like a knot at the end of the Rope foot like a knot at the end of the Rope foot like a knot at the end of the Rope just as you slide down a rope if there's just as you slide down a rope if there's just as you slide down a rope if there's a knot at the end your hand will catch a knot at the end your hand will catch a knot at the end your hand will catch yeah so too with the human leg when they yeah so too with the human leg when they yeah so too with the human leg when they go to extract by pulling you just keep go to extract by pulling you just keep go to extract by pulling you just keep your fist is close to your shoulder your fist is close to your shoulder your fist is close to your shoulder shoulder as possible and narrow the Gap shoulder as possible and narrow the Gap shoulder as possible and narrow the Gap the foot will always catch the failure the foot will always catch the failure the foot will always catch the failure that many people have is they let their that many people have is they let their that many people have is they let their hand drift away from their own shoulder hand drift away from their own shoulder hand drift away from their own shoulder and so there's room for the foot to and so there's room for the foot to and so there's room for the foot to extract but you'll see Gordon's extract but you'll see Gordon's extract but you'll see Gordon's extremely disciplined with thumb close extremely disciplined with thumb close extremely disciplined with thumb close to his own shoulder which creates a to his own shoulder which creates a to his own shoulder which creates a situation that's very very hard just to situation that's very very hard just to situation that's very very hard just to simply pull your foot out you're you're

simply pull your foot out you're you're simply pull your foot out you're you're focusing on the knot of the foot yeah focusing on the knot of the foot yeah focusing on the knot of the foot yeah also it's very early in the match also it's very early in the match also it's very early in the match there's very little sweat both athletes there's very little sweat both athletes there's very little sweat both athletes are still pretty dry now Gordon has to climb the leg now Gordon has to climb the leg and now he's already captured his and now he's already captured his and now he's already captured his opponent's shoelace there's the heel opponent's shoelace there's the heel opponent's shoelace there's the heel exposure coming up Nikki Rod already exposure coming up Nikki Rod already exposure coming up Nikki Rod already knows things are getting bad knows things are getting bad knows things are getting bad and there's the win actually the comment and there's the win actually the comment and there's the win actually the comment I made I guess was from a little bit I made I guess was from a little bit I made I guess was from a little bit earlier there was an earlier time where earlier there was an earlier time where earlier there was an earlier time where Nikki while I was trying to pull out the Nikki while I was trying to pull out the Nikki while I was trying to pull out the foot and the Gordon's able to hold on to foot and the Gordon's able to hold on to foot and the Gordon's able to hold on to the knot the knot the knot um which which is interesting um which which is interesting um which which is interesting now that was uh now that was uh now that was uh a brilliant day's work by Gordon Ryan he a brilliant day's work by Gordon Ryan he a brilliant day's work by Gordon Ryan he said two matches against opponents said two matches against opponents said two matches against opponents considerably bigger and stronger than considerably bigger and stronger than considerably bigger and stronger than himself himself himself and uh the time of the two matches can and uh the time of the two matches can and uh the time of the two matches can be measured in be measured in be measured in I think less than two minutes so he's I think less than two minutes so he's I think less than two minutes so he's he's done what he's set out to do no he's done what he's set out to do no he's done what he's set out to do no injuries no exhaustion he's beaten four injuries no exhaustion he's beaten four injuries no exhaustion he's beaten four guys back to back all of whom are guys back to back all of whom are guys back to back all of whom are excellent athletes with minimal energy excellent athletes with minimal energy excellent athletes with minimal energy expenditure and he's ready to go on to expenditure and he's ready to go on to expenditure and he's ready to go on to his super fight his super fight his super fight so uh and that's against uh one of the so uh and that's against uh one of the so uh and that's against uh one of the greatest arguably for a long time you greatest arguably for a long time you greatest arguably for a long time you know uh really really up there uh Jiu know uh really really up there uh Jiu know uh really really up there uh Jiu Jitsu practitioners competitors Jitsu practitioners competitors Jitsu practitioners competitors grappling no geek competitors of all grappling no geek competitors of all grappling no geek competitors of all time which is Andre govow yes Andre time which is Andre govow yes Andre time which is Andre govow yes Andre govows uh almost certainly at this point govows uh almost certainly at this point govows uh almost certainly at this point the the greatest ADCC competitor of all the the greatest ADCC competitor of all the the greatest ADCC competitor of all time won more Super fights than anyone time won more Super fights than anyone time won more Super fights than anyone else by a landslide else by a landslide else by a landslide so I if I may just read a few words

so I if I may just read a few words so I if I may just read a few words you've written on Instagram about this you've written on Instagram about this you've written on Instagram about this match about Andre gaval on greatness how match about Andre gaval on greatness how match about Andre gaval on greatness how great you become in any given Endeavor great you become in any given Endeavor great you become in any given Endeavor will always be assessed by the degree of will always be assessed by the degree of will always be assessed by the degree of difficulty of the barriers you have to difficulty of the barriers you have to difficulty of the barriers you have to overcome to get to the top just as the overcome to get to the top just as the overcome to get to the top just as the lion became king of the jungle not by lion became king of the jungle not by lion became king of the jungle not by living among sheep but by dominating a living among sheep but by dominating a living among sheep but by dominating a world of elephants hyenas Buffalo world of elephants hyenas Buffalo world of elephants hyenas Buffalo leopards crocodiles so too the greatness leopards crocodiles so too the greatness leopards crocodiles so too the greatness of an athlete will be determined not of an athlete will be determined not of an athlete will be determined not just by his own ability but by the just by his own ability but by the just by his own ability but by the greatness of the athletes he faces thus greatness of the athletes he faces thus greatness of the athletes he faces thus in his quest for greatness Gordon Ryan in his quest for greatness Gordon Ryan in his quest for greatness Gordon Ryan owes a debt to the greatness of his owes a debt to the greatness of his owes a debt to the greatness of his toughest opponent Andre galvao and you toughest opponent Andre galvao and you toughest opponent Andre galvao and you go on to sing him Praises so and that go on to sing him Praises so and that go on to sing him Praises so and that introduces this match you know there was introduces this match you know there was introduces this match you know there was a interesting moment I didn't even um um listen to the wars exchanged but because listen to the wars exchanged but because listen to the wars exchanged but because I had the great Fortune of sitting next I had the great Fortune of sitting next I had the great Fortune of sitting next to hacho crazy there was this uh to hacho crazy there was this uh to hacho crazy there was this uh uh fascinating moment before the match uh fascinating moment before the match uh fascinating moment before the match and I can't believe Gordon has and I can't believe Gordon has and I can't believe Gordon has sufficiently relaxed to do this but he sufficiently relaxed to do this but he sufficiently relaxed to do this but he walked up to uh Hydra Gracie and had a walked up to uh Hydra Gracie and had a walked up to uh Hydra Gracie and had a discussion what do you think you Face discussion what do you think you Face discussion what do you think you Face Hunter Goa before what are your Hunter Goa before what are your Hunter Goa before what are your suggestions and they've talked to back suggestions and they've talked to back suggestions and they've talked to back and forth they brainstormed ideas like and forth they brainstormed ideas like and forth they brainstormed ideas like minutes before the match and it was just minutes before the match and it was just minutes before the match and it was just a beautiful moment of like I don't know a beautiful moment of like I don't know a beautiful moment of like I don't know like like Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan like like Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan like like Tiger Woods and Michael Jordan talking to each other something like talking to each other something like talking to each other something like that I mean I wonder how much that I mean I wonder how much that I mean I wonder how much brainstorming there really was or and

brainstorming there really was or and brainstorming there really was or and how much was it just kind of um how much was it just kind of um how much was it just kind of um ins like spiritual inspiration or ins like spiritual inspiration or ins like spiritual inspiration or something like that yeah the I think something like that yeah the I think something like that yeah the I think it's more spiritual inspiration he looks it's more spiritual inspiration he looks it's more spiritual inspiration he looks after as a uh uh who's a very close after as a uh uh who's a very close after as a uh uh who's a very close friend a mentor of mine so I always tell friend a mentor of mine so I always tell friend a mentor of mine so I always tell my athletes look to harder as your my athletes look to harder as your my athletes look to harder as your example this is a guy who example this is a guy who example this is a guy who always fought for the Finish he tried to always fought for the Finish he tried to always fought for the Finish he tried to express the the highest ideal of Jiu express the the highest ideal of Jiu express the the highest ideal of Jiu Jitsu which is control leading to Jitsu which is control leading to Jitsu which is control leading to submission and every match he was ever submission and every match he was ever submission and every match he was ever in he even lost matches on tactics in he even lost matches on tactics in he even lost matches on tactics against people that he could easily have against people that he could easily have against people that he could easily have defeated if he adopted a different defeated if he adopted a different defeated if he adopted a different tactic but he always insisted on Victory tactic but he always insisted on Victory tactic but he always insisted on Victory by submission it defined his career made by submission it defined his career made by submission it defined his career made of who who he was and I always try to of who who he was and I always try to of who who he was and I always try to have my athletes emulate him have my athletes emulate him have my athletes emulate him so what was the strategy going into this so what was the strategy going into this so what was the strategy going into this match what were you thinking were you match what were you thinking were you match what were you thinking were you okay uh for Andre Galvan okay uh for Andre Galvan okay uh for Andre Galvan he he he hit there's a sense in which Andre gavon hit there's a sense in which Andre gavon hit there's a sense in which Andre gavon had to fight literally the perfect match had to fight literally the perfect match had to fight literally the perfect match to win this okay this this is a match to win this okay this this is a match to win this okay this this is a match that's going to be 20 minutes long that's going to be 20 minutes long that's going to be 20 minutes long um and potentially 40 minutes long um and potentially 40 minutes long um and potentially 40 minutes long um um um Andre gomon cannot win by submission Andre gomon cannot win by submission Andre gomon cannot win by submission Gordon's submission Gordon's submission Gordon's submission dominance here is is just too great dominance here is is just too great dominance here is is just too great uh it would be exceedingly difficult for uh it would be exceedingly difficult for uh it would be exceedingly difficult for him to win on the ground uh Gordon's him to win on the ground uh Gordon's him to win on the ground uh Gordon's ground positional game is just too ground positional game is just too ground positional game is just too advanced and so for Andre Galvan he had advanced and so for Andre Galvan he had advanced and so for Andre Galvan he had to win if he was going to win it was

to win if he was going to win it was to win if he was going to win it was going to be in a standing wrestling going to be in a standing wrestling going to be in a standing wrestling exchange where most people assist him as exchange where most people assist him as exchange where most people assist him as having a measure of superiority over having a measure of superiority over having a measure of superiority over Gordon Ryan Gordon Ryan Gordon Ryan the problem is the problem is the problem is that that that it's hard it's hard it's hard to just keep a potentially 40 minute to just keep a potentially 40 minute to just keep a potentially 40 minute match on the ground sorry off the ground match on the ground sorry off the ground match on the ground sorry off the ground that whole time it's it's very very that whole time it's it's very very that whole time it's it's very very difficult indeed so he would have had to difficult indeed so he would have had to difficult indeed so he would have had to fight literally the perfect tactical fight literally the perfect tactical fight literally the perfect tactical match to make it happen and he would match to make it happen and he would match to make it happen and he would have to do it without getting called have to do it without getting called have to do it without getting called restoring points restoring points restoring points um um um Gordon has the luxury that if at any Gordon has the luxury that if at any Gordon has the luxury that if at any point they go to the ground he has point they go to the ground he has point they go to the ground he has complete dominance but Gordon too has a complete dominance but Gordon too has a complete dominance but Gordon too has a problem that he can't pull guard without problem that he can't pull guard without problem that he can't pull guard without being penalized and uh if Andre Galvan being penalized and uh if Andre Galvan being penalized and uh if Andre Galvan can play this tactical game of forcing can play this tactical game of forcing can play this tactical game of forcing Gordon to pull guard Gordon to pull guard Gordon to pull guard and then and then and then staying at a distance where he doesn't staying at a distance where he doesn't staying at a distance where he doesn't he's doing enough action not to get he's doing enough action not to get he's doing enough action not to get called for stalling but not so much to called for stalling but not so much to called for stalling but not so much to engage with the dangerous Gordon Ryan on engage with the dangerous Gordon Ryan on engage with the dangerous Gordon Ryan on the ground then it's feasible he could the ground then it's feasible he could the ground then it's feasible he could have won have won have won but it would have been as I said it but it would have been as I said it but it would have been as I said it would have required the most perfect would have required the most perfect would have required the most perfect application and integration of technique application and integration of technique application and integration of technique and tactics and tactics and tactics that that he's capable of that that he's capable of that that he's capable of how much intimidation was here how much intimidation was here how much intimidation was here was there uh or are these assets already was there uh or are these assets already was there uh or are these assets already beyond that uh when you say intimidation beyond that uh when you say intimidation beyond that uh when you say intimidation be more precise be more precise be more precise do you think there is some degree if do you think there is some degree if do you think there is some degree if you're just to empathize with Andre you're just to empathize with Andre you're just to empathize with Andre gaval do you think there's some degree

gaval do you think there's some degree gaval do you think there's some degree in which Gordon was in his head in which Gordon was in his head in which Gordon was in his head um because of the Trash Talk leading up um because of the Trash Talk leading up um because of the Trash Talk leading up to certain events because of the level to certain events because of the level to certain events because of the level of dominance that Gordon has shown in of dominance that Gordon has shown in of dominance that Gordon has shown in this competition and in uh this competition and in uh this competition and in uh months and years leading up to it also months and years leading up to it also months and years leading up to it also the fact that Andre gaval is also a the fact that Andre gaval is also a the fact that Andre gaval is also a coach of a large team so there's some coach of a large team so there's some coach of a large team so there's some pressure to demonstrate to the team pressure to demonstrate to the team pressure to demonstrate to the team that the old line still got it yeah that the old line still got it yeah that the old line still got it yeah um I can't speak for Andre but uh I know um I can't speak for Andre but uh I know um I can't speak for Andre but uh I know for Gordon for Gordon for Gordon it's hard to be intimidated when you it's hard to be intimidated when you it's hard to be intimidated when you know the other guy has no method of know the other guy has no method of know the other guy has no method of finishing you finishing you finishing you it's it just takes so much pressure off it's it just takes so much pressure off it's it just takes so much pressure off when you just go and you're saying when you just go and you're saying when you just go and you're saying there's literally no way this guy can there's literally no way this guy can there's literally no way this guy can finish me finish me finish me um um um and there's no way this guy can pin and and there's no way this guy can pin and and there's no way this guy can pin and control me I can't be finished I can't control me I can't be finished I can't control me I can't be finished I can't be pinned and controlled be pinned and controlled be pinned and controlled the only way I can lose this the only way I can lose this the only way I can lose this is if this guy plays a tactical game is if this guy plays a tactical game is if this guy plays a tactical game so in his best case scenario so in his best case scenario so in his best case scenario I lose my Tactical I lose my Tactical I lose my Tactical by a tactical game but from Andre's by a tactical game but from Andre's by a tactical game but from Andre's perspective it's like if I make one perspective it's like if I make one perspective it's like if I make one screw up this kid could finish me screw up this kid could finish me screw up this kid could finish me like it's you can see which way the like it's you can see which way the like it's you can see which way the intimidation game goes intimidation game goes intimidation game goes now for the start things get interesting now for the start things get interesting now for the start things get interesting here we've already said if you can just here we've already said if you can just here we've already said if you can just freeze it right there freeze it right there freeze it right there Andre's only real realistic part to Andre's only real realistic part to Andre's only real realistic part to Victory is standing grappling okay that Victory is standing grappling okay that Victory is standing grappling okay that would require him to take Gordon down

would require him to take Gordon down would require him to take Gordon down presumably multiple times after the presumably multiple times after the presumably multiple times after the first 10 minutes and not be taken down first 10 minutes and not be taken down first 10 minutes and not be taken down at all by Gordon so it's a tall order at all by Gordon so it's a tall order at all by Gordon so it's a tall order it's possible but difficult it's possible but difficult it's possible but difficult and here's where things get interesting and here's where things get interesting and here's where things get interesting I told Gordon before the match I told Gordon before the match I told Gordon before the match just go out and offer in the league same just go out and offer in the league same just go out and offer in the league same we did with Nikki rod we did with Nikki rod we did with Nikki rod and that's where things get interesting and that's where things get interesting and that's where things get interesting I must say that I loved what Andre I must say that I loved what Andre I must say that I loved what Andre Galvan did at the start of this match Galvan did at the start of this match Galvan did at the start of this match he's a little crazy here this is there he's a little crazy here this is there he's a little crazy here this is there was just so much energy in the room at was just so much energy in the room at was just so much energy in the room at this point that his hand finding God oh this point that his hand finding God oh this point that his hand finding God oh for people just listening there's uh for people just listening there's uh for people just listening there's uh there's a bit of hard slapping yeah that there's a bit of hard slapping yeah that there's a bit of hard slapping yeah that could be considered a strike that's fine could be considered a strike that's fine could be considered a strike that's fine it's um there was just a lot of electric it's um there was just a lot of electric it's um there was just a lot of electric atmosphere in the room so now things atmosphere in the room so now things atmosphere in the room so now things settle down a little bit settle down a little bit settle down a little bit um but here's where things get um but here's where things get um but here's where things get interesting Andre interesting Andre interesting Andre throws the whole tactical game out the throws the whole tactical game out the throws the whole tactical game out the window right from the start window right from the start window right from the start he goes for the takedown Gordon doesn't he goes for the takedown Gordon doesn't he goes for the takedown Gordon doesn't try to fight the takedown because it's try to fight the takedown because it's try to fight the takedown because it's in his interests to go to the ground but in his interests to go to the ground but in his interests to go to the ground but this I love this about Andre he's this I love this about Andre he's this I love this about Andre he's literally like fuck you kid literally like fuck you kid literally like fuck you kid like let's see how good your ground game like let's see how good your ground game like let's see how good your ground game is yeah so he shoots the takedown is yeah so he shoots the takedown is yeah so he shoots the takedown um and Gordon accepts it obviously um and Gordon accepts it obviously um and Gordon accepts it obviously because it's to his advantage to accept because it's to his advantage to accept because it's to his advantage to accept it it it but I love the fact that Andre was like but I love the fact that Andre was like but I love the fact that Andre was like I'm not even going to try and stole this I'm not even going to try and stole this I'm not even going to try and stole this out I'm just going to bang there it is out I'm just going to bang there it is out I'm just going to bang there it is so he's like okay let's see what you got so he's like okay let's see what you got so he's like okay let's see what you got kid they say you're good on the ground kid they say you're good on the ground kid they say you're good on the ground let's see what you fucking got and I let's see what you fucking got and I let's see what you fucking got and I love that about Andre love that about Andre love that about Andre unfortunately he's entered the uh The

unfortunately he's entered the uh The unfortunately he's entered the uh The Hornet's Nest now what happened there Hornet's Nest now what happened there Hornet's Nest now what happened there real quick because that was very Gordon real quick because that was very Gordon real quick because that was very Gordon immediately went into ashigrami not just immediately went into ashigrami not just immediately went into ashigrami not just any ashigurami but ashirami was holding any ashigurami but ashirami was holding any ashigurami but ashirami was holding both legs so it's an open guard and he both legs so it's an open guard and he both legs so it's an open guard and he scooted forward oh wow that's really scooted forward oh wow that's really scooted forward oh wow that's really nice so it's against the legs now he nice so it's against the legs now he nice so it's against the legs now he dominates the space between the knees so dominates the space between the knees so dominates the space between the knees so there's a guaranteed straight out sugar there's a guaranteed straight out sugar there's a guaranteed straight out sugar Army here Army here Army here he split the knees against Andre galvao he split the knees against Andre galvao he split the knees against Andre galvao like effortlessly right there like effortlessly right there like effortlessly right there wow wow wow so already Gordon's in his preferred so already Gordon's in his preferred so already Gordon's in his preferred domain now so he's starting to off domain now so he's starting to off domain now so he's starting to off balance his opponent he's looking for balance his opponent he's looking for balance his opponent he's looking for reaction to get heel exposure he does reaction to get heel exposure he does reaction to get heel exposure he does get heel exposure Andre's uh does a good get heel exposure Andre's uh does a good get heel exposure Andre's uh does a good job of monitoring defeat to try and job of monitoring defeat to try and job of monitoring defeat to try and reduce the braking pressure but the The reduce the braking pressure but the The reduce the braking pressure but the The Brute fact is it's in Gordon's realm now Brute fact is it's in Gordon's realm now Brute fact is it's in Gordon's realm now this is this is where he has all the this is this is where he has all the this is this is where he has all the advantage so um and the match is going advantage so um and the match is going advantage so um and the match is going to be 20 minutes of in Gordon's realm to be 20 minutes of in Gordon's realm to be 20 minutes of in Gordon's realm that's going to be a very very tall that's going to be a very very tall that's going to be a very very tall order foreign foreign was there a moment here was there a moment here was there a moment here again Gordon's on the legs again Gordon's on the legs again Gordon's on the legs are you impressed that Andre was able to are you impressed that Andre was able to are you impressed that Andre was able to get out from this country I would expect get out from this country I would expect get out from this country I would expect this on Andre's been preparing for this this on Andre's been preparing for this this on Andre's been preparing for this for two years and um uh he remember for two years and um uh he remember for two years and um uh he remember Andre is going against some of the Andre is going against some of the Andre is going against some of the greatest uh leg Locus and grappling greatest uh leg Locus and grappling greatest uh leg Locus and grappling before and Prevail so he's he's not before and Prevail so he's he's not before and Prevail so he's he's not naive you know he knows how to defend naive you know he knows how to defend naive you know he knows how to defend himself himself himself um the big problem is that he's going to um the big problem is that he's going to um the big problem is that he's going to create defensive reactions which lead create defensive reactions which lead create defensive reactions which lead into other aspects of Gordon's game in

into other aspects of Gordon's game in into other aspects of Gordon's game in particular back exposure so here uh particular back exposure so here uh particular back exposure so here uh ashigrami goes to like a single leg type ashigrami goes to like a single leg type ashigrami goes to like a single leg type of position where Gordon Runs to Andre's of position where Gordon Runs to Andre's of position where Gordon Runs to Andre's back now it has to return them to the mat the now it has to return them to the mat the most efficient way to do so is always most efficient way to do so is always most efficient way to do so is always courtesy of foot sweeping so he pulls courtesy of foot sweeping so he pulls courtesy of foot sweeping so he pulls out a DIY from the back to sweeten down out a DIY from the back to sweeten down out a DIY from the back to sweeten down to the man to the man to the man and now Gordon's on top and this and now Gordon's on top and this and now Gordon's on top and this is a serious problem for any Grappler in is a serious problem for any Grappler in is a serious problem for any Grappler in the world once Gordon gets top position the world once Gordon gets top position the world once Gordon gets top position he's just relentless but just getting Andre gavar's good just but just getting Andre gavar's good just getting the guard back all of that is getting the guard back all of that is getting the guard back all of that is great there's also a sensor in which great there's also a sensor in which great there's also a sensor in which Gordon is pacing it too just to Gordon is pacing it too just to Gordon is pacing it too just to physically fatigue an opponent physically fatigue an opponent physically fatigue an opponent so I was passing the guards but not so I was passing the guards but not so I was passing the guards but not rushing it now what Gordon's looking for here is now what Gordon's looking for here is complete chest to Chase contact complete chest to Chase contact complete chest to Chase contact he's getting very close to it now he's getting very close to it now he's getting very close to it now and once he gets chest to chased on an and once he gets chest to chased on an and once he gets chest to chased on an opponent in top position past one of his opponent in top position past one of his opponent in top position past one of his opponent's knees it's going to be opponent's knees it's going to be opponent's knees it's going to be awfully awfully difficult for an awfully awfully difficult for an awfully awfully difficult for an opponent to recover what is he waiting for here is the this what is he waiting for here is the this pressure here over time he just wears pressure here over time he just wears pressure here over time he just wears you out yeah it's part of a campaign of you out yeah it's part of a campaign of you out yeah it's part of a campaign of attrition of pressure over time now he's attrition of pressure over time now he's attrition of pressure over time now he's creating a situation where he's he's creating a situation where he's he's creating a situation where he's he's either going to get back exposure or either going to get back exposure or either going to get back exposure or Mount exposure and either way is pretty

Mount exposure and either way is pretty Mount exposure and either way is pretty much fatal when you're dealing with much fatal when you're dealing with much fatal when you're dealing with Gordon Gordon Gordon um Andre elected to to go the route of um Andre elected to to go the route of um Andre elected to to go the route of back exposure now Gordon got the body triangle is on now Gordon got the body triangle is on his back his back his back and now it's uh now there's one physical and now it's uh now there's one physical and now it's uh now there's one physical problem here that's uh that Andre Galvan problem here that's uh that Andre Galvan problem here that's uh that Andre Galvan has a neck like a bull and um he's a has a neck like a bull and um he's a has a neck like a bull and um he's a very short and very thick neck so very short and very thick neck so very short and very thick neck so penetrating under the chin for the penetrating under the chin for the penetrating under the chin for the strangle can be a real problem he also strangle can be a real problem he also strangle can be a real problem he also has extremely well developed shoulders has extremely well developed shoulders has extremely well developed shoulders and upper arms so when the head comes and upper arms so when the head comes and upper arms so when the head comes down and the shoulders go up there's down and the shoulders go up there's down and the shoulders go up there's very little real estate to work with very little real estate to work with very little real estate to work with with regards to strangleholds so Gordon with regards to strangleholds so Gordon with regards to strangleholds so Gordon in time will trap one of his opponent's in time will trap one of his opponent's in time will trap one of his opponent's arms with his legs in order to take away arms with his legs in order to take away arms with his legs in order to take away one of those strong defensive arms there one of those strong defensive arms there one of those strong defensive arms there you can see the arm has been trapped and you can see the arm has been trapped and you can see the arm has been trapped and now he can see the biting towards the now he can see the biting towards the now he can see the biting towards the strangle strangle strangle and now here is still difficult it's and now here is still difficult it's and now here is still difficult it's still difficult but um things are still difficult but um things are still difficult but um things are looking good there's still a looking good there's still a looking good there's still a considerable amount of time left on the considerable amount of time left on the considerable amount of time left on the clock Gordon as well ahead on points so clock Gordon as well ahead on points so clock Gordon as well ahead on points so all the pressure all the Tactical all the pressure all the Tactical all the pressure all the Tactical pressure now is on Andre you'll see the critical penetration of you'll see the critical penetration of the jaw with the wrist there wow yeah the jaw with the wrist there wow yeah the jaw with the wrist there wow yeah I'll go in the legs for a one-handed I'll go in the legs for a one-handed I'll go in the legs for a one-handed strangle very bravely

very bravely but but but a strangle it doesn't matter how Brave a strangle it doesn't matter how Brave a strangle it doesn't matter how Brave you are and where where does the you are and where where does the you are and where where does the strangle actually happen in terms of strangle actually happen in terms of strangle actually happen in terms of um um um it felt like the strangle was at the it felt like the strangle was at the it felt like the strangle was at the blade of the it wasn't even fully sunk blade of the it wasn't even fully sunk blade of the it wasn't even fully sunk in yeah so where does is that like a in yeah so where does is that like a in yeah so where does is that like a full car was like um one-handed there's full car was like um one-handed there's full car was like um one-handed there's a sense in which once you get underneath a sense in which once you get underneath a sense in which once you get underneath you know the inevitable yeah follow-up you know the inevitable yeah follow-up you know the inevitable yeah follow-up is again the inevitable you're feeling is again the inevitable you're feeling is again the inevitable you're feeling the inevitable it's like a um to go back the inevitable it's like a um to go back the inevitable it's like a um to go back to your chest analogy it's like to your chest analogy it's like to your chest analogy it's like resigning in cheers yeah and chess is resigning in cheers yeah and chess is resigning in cheers yeah and chess is considered almost like impolite to let considered almost like impolite to let considered almost like impolite to let let it run out when you understand yeah let it run out when you understand yeah let it run out when you understand yeah when you understand that death is when you understand that death is when you understand that death is on the horizon on the horizon on the horizon and there's a lot of and there's a lot of and there's a lot of there's a lot of respect that was the there's a lot of respect that was the there's a lot of respect that was the beautiful thing with all the trash talk beautiful thing with all the trash talk beautiful thing with all the trash talk and everything like that Gordon always and everything like that Gordon always and everything like that Gordon always shows respect I love that shows respect I love that shows respect I love that um about the drama of combat um about the drama of combat um about the drama of combat is trash talk in the beginning and is trash talk in the beginning and is trash talk in the beginning and respect at the end I think it's you know respect at the end I think it's you know respect at the end I think it's you know when you when you feel someone uh Andre when you when you feel someone uh Andre when you when you feel someone uh Andre has great skills and uh when you when has great skills and uh when you when has great skills and uh when you when you grapple someone you feel just how you grapple someone you feel just how you grapple someone you feel just how skilled they are and um uh it whatever skilled they are and um uh it whatever skilled they are and um uh it whatever issues you had prior to the match issues you had prior to the match issues you had prior to the match evaporate when you when you feel that evaporate when you when you feel that evaporate when you when you feel that okay they're just like you they do the okay they're just like you they do the okay they're just like you they do the same moves and same kind of Concepts and same moves and same kind of Concepts and same moves and same kind of Concepts and and you see that there's more that bonds and you see that there's more that bonds and you see that there's more that bonds you together than separates you and you together than separates you and you together than separates you and that's the feeling that the end of most that's the feeling that the end of most that's the feeling that the end of most grappling matches so if we could

grappling matches so if we could grappling matches so if we could talk about Giancarlo who had an talk about Giancarlo who had an talk about Giancarlo who had an incredible performance and I mean incredible performance and I mean incredible performance and I mean there's a lot of things we can say we there's a lot of things we can say we there's a lot of things we can say we can probably go through his matches but can probably go through his matches but can probably go through his matches but if we could just talk without that about if we could just talk without that about if we could just talk without that about some of the most impressive things he some of the most impressive things he some of the most impressive things he saw about him one of the things I think saw about him one of the things I think saw about him one of the things I think you mentioned uh elsewhere in here is you mentioned uh elsewhere in here is you mentioned uh elsewhere in here is about confidence so one of the things about confidence so one of the things about confidence so one of the things you saw that could really benefit him as you saw that could really benefit him as you saw that could really benefit him as an Athen and competitor is to build up an Athen and competitor is to build up an Athen and competitor is to build up his confidence is there uh can you speak his confidence is there uh can you speak his confidence is there uh can you speak to that first of all I should give you to that first of all I should give you to that first of all I should give you some background uh John Carlo bedoni was some background uh John Carlo bedoni was some background uh John Carlo bedoni was a um uh a strong a um uh a strong a um uh a strong uh local black belt in Boston uh local black belt in Boston uh local black belt in Boston um teaching at Bernardo Faria school um teaching at Bernardo Faria school um teaching at Bernardo Faria school when I would film instructional videos I when I would film instructional videos I when I would film instructional videos I would often talk to him and talk to him would often talk to him and talk to him would often talk to him and talk to him about his competitions and training and about his competitions and training and about his competitions and training and he would do local competitions he was he would do local competitions he was he would do local competitions he was trying to go from gear training which trying to go from gear training which trying to go from gear training which was the majority of his competitive was the majority of his competitive was the majority of his competitive background into nogi and he was background into nogi and he was background into nogi and he was struggling uh in local competitions struggling uh in local competitions struggling uh in local competitions especially for things like leg locking especially for things like leg locking especially for things like leg locking where he had no background and leg where he had no background and leg where he had no background and leg lock-in and would often get submitted so lock-in and would often get submitted so lock-in and would often get submitted so as we work together in instructional as we work together in instructional as we work together in instructional videos we we would talk and discuss how videos we we would talk and discuss how videos we we would talk and discuss how it would periodically come to the gym in it would periodically come to the gym in it would periodically come to the gym in New York City and come in to work out New York City and come in to work out New York City and come in to work out with the guys and with the guys and with the guys and um he often struggled in the training um he often struggled in the training um he often struggled in the training room he had no experience with things room he had no experience with things room he had no experience with things like body like guard passing and this like body like guard passing and this like body like guard passing and this used to uh mean that he was uh many of used to uh mean that he was uh many of used to uh mean that he was uh many of the training sessions didn't go well for the training sessions didn't go well for the training sessions didn't go well for him him him um um um so it was always like a very polite so it was always like a very polite so it was always like a very polite well-spoken young man and uh worked hard

well-spoken young man and uh worked hard well-spoken young man and uh worked hard um um um when we went to Puerto Rico and the team when we went to Puerto Rico and the team when we went to Puerto Rico and the team ended up drifting apart ended up drifting apart ended up drifting apart um um um when we moved into Austin uh when we moved into Austin uh when we moved into Austin uh he he said you know now that he he said you know now that he he said you know now that many of your athletes have left could I many of your athletes have left could I many of your athletes have left could I come down and train with you guys full come down and train with you guys full come down and train with you guys full time and I was like yeah I'd love to I time and I was like yeah I'd love to I time and I was like yeah I'd love to I thought it'd be a great training partner thought it'd be a great training partner thought it'd be a great training partner for Gordon and Gary we didn't really for Gordon and Gary we didn't really for Gordon and Gary we didn't really have any training Partners at that point have any training Partners at that point have any training Partners at that point and and and um uh sure enough he literally just um uh sure enough he literally just um uh sure enough he literally just picked up everything he had and moved picked up everything he had and moved picked up everything he had and moved down to Austin down to Austin down to Austin um now anyone who just moves halfway um now anyone who just moves halfway um now anyone who just moves halfway across the country to begin training across the country to begin training across the country to begin training that already gets my respect right there that already gets my respect right there that already gets my respect right there that's a big commitment and that's a big commitment and that's a big commitment and um uh he began training we put him on a um uh he began training we put him on a um uh he began training we put him on a uh a training schedule where first he uh a training schedule where first he uh a training schedule where first he had to cover up his big weaknesses he had to cover up his big weaknesses he had to cover up his big weaknesses he had limited attacks from uh bottom had limited attacks from uh bottom had limited attacks from uh bottom position he had poor leg lock defense position he had poor leg lock defense position he had poor leg lock defense and he was very very vulnerable to and he was very very vulnerable to and he was very very vulnerable to um certain kinds of guard passing which um certain kinds of guard passing which um certain kinds of guard passing which weren't part of his experience this is weren't part of his experience this is weren't part of his experience this is all a year out from agcc yes and we all a year out from agcc yes and we all a year out from agcc yes and we should also maybe should also maybe should also maybe uh give the the spoiler which is he wins uh give the the spoiler which is he wins uh give the the spoiler which is he wins his division in a dominant fashion his division in a dominant fashion his division in a dominant fashion he also does incredibly well at the he also does incredibly well at the he also does incredibly well at the absolute absolute absolute you know it was an amazing thing um to you know it was an amazing thing um to you know it was an amazing thing um to give you an idea when he first moved to give you an idea when he first moved to give you an idea when he first moved to Austin he competed in um Austin he competed in um Austin he competed in um wno event and I don't think he scored a wno event and I don't think he scored a wno event and I don't think he scored a single point lost a couple of matches

single point lost a couple of matches single point lost a couple of matches and and and um uh and including matches to people um uh and including matches to people um uh and including matches to people who were in this ADCC so who were in this ADCC so who were in this ADCC so um uh he came out of that looking very um uh he came out of that looking very um uh he came out of that looking very depressed and uh he lost the Canon depressed and uh he lost the Canon depressed and uh he lost the Canon Duarte he lost to um uh Mason Fowler so Duarte he lost to um uh Mason Fowler so Duarte he lost to um uh Mason Fowler so Giancarlo always struck me someone who Giancarlo always struck me someone who Giancarlo always struck me someone who was positionally sound he he had like was positionally sound he he had like was positionally sound he he had like good guard retention things like this good guard retention things like this good guard retention things like this but he had no offense he had no leglock but he had no offense he had no leglock but he had no offense he had no leglock defense and he just wasn't able to defense and he just wasn't able to defense and he just wasn't able to assert Authority on matches he was he assert Authority on matches he was he assert Authority on matches he was he was a guy who's always going to be tough was a guy who's always going to be tough was a guy who's always going to be tough to be because he was hard to pass his to be because he was hard to pass his to be because he was hard to pass his guard that kind of thing but he wasn't guard that kind of thing but he wasn't guard that kind of thing but he wasn't dangerous can I ask you a question on dangerous can I ask you a question on dangerous can I ask you a question on that yeah because my interaction with that yeah because my interaction with that yeah because my interaction with him uh early on when he came to Austin him uh early on when he came to Austin him uh early on when he came to Austin I remember he interacted me a bunch on I remember he interacted me a bunch on I remember he interacted me a bunch on the mat showing me stuff but I wonder if the mat showing me stuff but I wonder if the mat showing me stuff but I wonder if that kindness is a detriment to the that kindness is a detriment to the that kindness is a detriment to the confidence is there some connection confidence is there some connection confidence is there some connection again Killers can be nice too absolutely again Killers can be nice too absolutely again Killers can be nice too absolutely confidence comes from skill level and confidence comes from skill level and confidence comes from skill level and um uh confidence is much more um uh confidence is much more um uh confidence is much more rational thing that most people ascribe rational thing that most people ascribe rational thing that most people ascribe people think of confidence is like this people think of confidence is like this people think of confidence is like this esoteric ethereal element that you esoteric ethereal element that you esoteric ethereal element that you either have or you don't when in fact either have or you don't when in fact either have or you don't when in fact confidence is much more a reflection a confidence is much more a reflection a confidence is much more a reflection a rational reflection on your past rational reflection on your past rational reflection on your past experience and if you're successful with experience and if you're successful with experience and if you're successful with your past experience and you're your past experience and you're your past experience and you're expecting to expecting to expecting to uh uh uh compete in a situation which is similar compete in a situation which is similar compete in a situation which is similar to your past experience and that past to your past experience and that past to your past experience and that past experience has mostly been successful experience has mostly been successful experience has mostly been successful you'll be confident are you pretty

you'll be confident are you pretty you'll be confident are you pretty confident that the sun will rise confident that the sun will rise confident that the sun will rise tomorrow of course you are because it's tomorrow of course you are because it's tomorrow of course you are because it's done so every time in the past now done so every time in the past now done so every time in the past now there's no there's no there's no as people like Hume pointed out there's as people like Hume pointed out there's as people like Hume pointed out there's no Supreme rational reason for for no Supreme rational reason for for no Supreme rational reason for for believing this but nonetheless your believing this but nonetheless your believing this but nonetheless your confidence is high and it's the same confidence is high and it's the same confidence is high and it's the same thing in Jiu Jitsu thing in Jiu Jitsu thing in Jiu Jitsu um if if you're performing well and um if if you're performing well and um if if you're performing well and skills are uh the reason for that your skills are uh the reason for that your skills are uh the reason for that your confidence will be high in the future confidence will be high in the future confidence will be high in the future regardless of what your mindset is so regardless of what your mindset is so regardless of what your mindset is so it's not a question of you know this it's not a question of you know this it's not a question of you know this personality does better in competition personality does better in competition personality does better in competition or that personality ultimately it's or that personality ultimately it's or that personality ultimately it's going to come down to your skills and um going to come down to your skills and um going to come down to your skills and um and your confidence will be a reflection and your confidence will be a reflection and your confidence will be a reflection of your accumulation of skills of your accumulation of skills of your accumulation of skills so what was his journey like to a person so what was his journey like to a person so what was his journey like to a person who lost to a person who dominated the who lost to a person who dominated the who lost to a person who dominated the competition yeah first things first we competition yeah first things first we competition yeah first things first we had to say okay you've got an obvious had to say okay you've got an obvious had to say okay you've got an obvious weakness leg lock defense so weakness leg lock defense so weakness leg lock defense so um every day in the gym he would be um every day in the gym he would be um every day in the gym he would be taught okay this is where you put your taught okay this is where you put your taught okay this is where you put your feet this is where you position your feet this is where you position your feet this is where you position your knees your point you need this way not knees your point you need this way not knees your point you need this way not this way this way this way um uh then he would have to start um uh then he would have to start um uh then he would have to start sparring situations in leg locks and sparring situations in leg locks and sparring situations in leg locks and have to work his way out have to work his way out have to work his way out um initially these were like um initially these were like um initially these were like heartbreaking heartbreaking heartbreaking sessions for him where I mean I've got sessions for him where I mean I've got sessions for him where I mean I've got to give that kid full credit like he to give that kid full credit like he to give that kid full credit like he just worked his way through it patiently just worked his way through it patiently just worked his way through it patiently dealt with frustration initial failures dealt with frustration initial failures dealt with frustration initial failures and just said I'm going to get better and just said I'm going to get better and just said I'm going to get better can we just look on that so what's the can we just look on that so what's the can we just look on that so what's the experience of those early training experience of those early training experience of those early training sessions like foreign

thought that you're not going to ever be thought that you're not going to ever be good yeah you're wondering have I even good yeah you're wondering have I even good yeah you're wondering have I even got what it takes like you you think got what it takes like you you think got what it takes like you you think about it he's an established player about it he's an established player about it he's an established player who's been an ibj of competition I who's been an ibj of competition I who's been an ibj of competition I believe he's a brown belt world champion believe he's a brown belt world champion believe he's a brown belt world champion in the ghee in the ghee in the ghee um and suddenly a group of kids um and suddenly a group of kids um and suddenly a group of kids that he's never even seen before that he's never even seen before that he's never even seen before repeatedly submitting them with leg logs repeatedly submitting them with leg logs repeatedly submitting them with leg logs yeah in the gym and he's like man this yeah in the gym and he's like man this yeah in the gym and he's like man this this is terrible like a year from now this is terrible like a year from now this is terrible like a year from now I'm supposed to fight 80cc against I'm supposed to fight 80cc against I'm supposed to fight 80cc against people like people like people like Craig Jones like some of the best league Craig Jones like some of the best league Craig Jones like some of the best league Lockers in the world like it must have Lockers in the world like it must have Lockers in the world like it must have been hard you know been hard you know been hard you know um um um but he just stayed in there and no one but he just stayed in there and no one but he just stayed in there and no one worked harder than him he just was in worked harder than him he just was in worked harder than him he just was in the gym three times a day studying every the gym three times a day studying every the gym three times a day studying every day and unlike so many other people day and unlike so many other people day and unlike so many other people every time he was showing something he every time he was showing something he every time he was showing something he consciously and deliberately tried to consciously and deliberately tried to consciously and deliberately tried to enact it even at the price of initial enact it even at the price of initial enact it even at the price of initial failure do you advise that that's a good failure do you advise that that's a good failure do you advise that that's a good way to go it's the only way to go way to go it's the only way to go way to go it's the only way to go like if you if you can't wrap your head like if you if you can't wrap your head like if you if you can't wrap your head around the idea around the idea around the idea that trying to acquire new skills will that trying to acquire new skills will that trying to acquire new skills will create a temporary time where your create a temporary time where your create a temporary time where your Effectiveness diminishes as you're Effectiveness diminishes as you're Effectiveness diminishes as you're trying to bring on new skills you're trying to bring on new skills you're trying to bring on new skills you're never going to make it because you'll never going to make it because you'll never going to make it because you'll always stay at whatever skill set you always stay at whatever skill set you always stay at whatever skill set you are are are the whole mental trick is to is to the whole mental trick is to is to the whole mental trick is to is to imbue this idea of delayed gratification imbue this idea of delayed gratification imbue this idea of delayed gratification that you have to accept that when I that you have to accept that when I that you have to accept that when I bring on new moves bring on new moves bring on new moves My overall effectiveness will diminish

My overall effectiveness will diminish My overall effectiveness will diminish but there's the belief that in time as but there's the belief that in time as but there's the belief that in time as my skill performance increases it will my skill performance increases it will my skill performance increases it will increase over time but it will come at increase over time but it will come at increase over time but it will come at the price of initial frustration and the price of initial frustration and the price of initial frustration and failure and John Carlo made that mental failure and John Carlo made that mental failure and John Carlo made that mental uh switch early on in his time in Austin uh switch early on in his time in Austin uh switch early on in his time in Austin and to his credit just stuck through and to his credit just stuck through and to his credit just stuck through within a very short period of time he within a very short period of time he within a very short period of time he came very hard to lay Lock And even the came very hard to lay Lock And even the came very hard to lay Lock And even the best leg Lockers in the room had a hard best leg Lockers in the room had a hard best leg Lockers in the room had a hard time with them and that's that was the time with them and that's that was the time with them and that's that was the first step in confidence to say okay I'm first step in confidence to say okay I'm first step in confidence to say okay I'm not getting finished quickly anymore not getting finished quickly anymore not getting finished quickly anymore then he had to bring in a whole new set then he had to bring in a whole new set then he had to bring in a whole new set of uh upper body submissions he of uh upper body submissions he of uh upper body submissions he neglected upper body submissions when neglected upper body submissions when neglected upper body submissions when you sell property submissions do you you sell property submissions do you you sell property submissions do you mean novel holds arm locks things like mean novel holds arm locks things like mean novel holds arm locks things like this and um uh in particular put very this and um uh in particular put very this and um uh in particular put very very hard work on his strangleholds very hard work on his strangleholds very hard work on his strangleholds um he had always been someone who was um he had always been someone who was um he had always been someone who was positionally strong he could get to the positionally strong he could get to the positionally strong he could get to the back but he could never finish from the back but he could never finish from the back but he could never finish from the back and then suddenly in the Jeremy back and then suddenly in the Jeremy back and then suddenly in the Jeremy started finishing from the back and then started finishing from the back and then started finishing from the back and then as gym performance against the Lesser as gym performance against the Lesser as gym performance against the Lesser students increased then you bump him up students increased then you bump him up students increased then you bump him up against better students and then this against better students and then this against better students and then this goes on all the way up to the best guys goes on all the way up to the best guys goes on all the way up to the best guys in the room in the room in the room and uh in time in a relatively short and uh in time in a relatively short and uh in time in a relatively short period of time there was significant period of time there was significant period of time there was significant increases in performance and uh success increases in performance and uh success increases in performance and uh success begets success and this kept going begets success and this kept going begets success and this kept going we started to get a hint of we started to get a hint of we started to get a hint of his developing confidence in local his developing confidence in local his developing confidence in local competitions I remember putting Saint

competitions I remember putting Saint competitions I remember putting Saint John Carlo compete in a local fight to John Carlo compete in a local fight to John Carlo compete in a local fight to win competition against the tough win competition against the tough win competition against the tough Brazilian kid John Carter just came out Brazilian kid John Carter just came out Brazilian kid John Carter just came out dominated and finished with a leg lock dominated and finished with a leg lock dominated and finished with a leg lock now that was that was interesting to say now that was that was interesting to say now that was that was interesting to say okay okay okay you're the guy that used to get finished you're the guy that used to get finished you're the guy that used to get finished by leg logs and now you're beating tough by leg logs and now you're beating tough by leg logs and now you're beating tough opponents with leg locks and that was an opponents with leg locks and that was an opponents with leg locks and that was an important psychological step for important psychological step for important psychological step for Giancarlo bedoni and um Giancarlo bedoni and um Giancarlo bedoni and um uh with each little step as we went uh with each little step as we went uh with each little step as we went further and further uh then he got to further and further uh then he got to further and further uh then he got to 80cc trials and had one of the Great 80cc trials and had one of the Great 80cc trials and had one of the Great Performances Performances Performances um I believe he submitted all of his um I believe he submitted all of his um I believe he submitted all of his opponents and ADCC trials and uh put on opponents and ADCC trials and uh put on opponents and ADCC trials and uh put on a fantastic display of grout Lane a fantastic display of grout Lane a fantastic display of grout Lane shockingly shockingly shockingly no one paid attention to it no one paid attention to it no one paid attention to it they were just like oh yeah he won and they were just like oh yeah he won and they were just like oh yeah he won and no John Kelly flew into ADCC completely no John Kelly flew into ADCC completely no John Kelly flew into ADCC completely under the radar they just saw him as oh under the radar they just saw him as oh under the radar they just saw him as oh he's the guy that won American trials he's the guy that won American trials he's the guy that won American trials and uh no one really paid much attention and uh no one really paid much attention and uh no one really paid much attention um in his first match he took on a great um in his first match he took on a great um in his first match he took on a great um uh Brazilian Champion uh izaki and um um uh Brazilian Champion uh izaki and um um uh Brazilian Champion uh izaki and um uh one in dominant fashion he was about uh one in dominant fashion he was about uh one in dominant fashion he was about to strangle him with just a few seconds to strangle him with just a few seconds to strangle him with just a few seconds left on the clock and I remember John left on the clock and I remember John left on the clock and I remember John color being furious at the end of the color being furious at the end of the color being furious at the end of the match match match um thinking like I was so close to um thinking like I was so close to um thinking like I was so close to finishing he wanted a perfect finish and finishing he wanted a perfect finish and finishing he wanted a perfect finish and uh up on point six to nothing yeah and uh up on point six to nothing yeah and uh up on point six to nothing yeah and uh still Chase still chasing I mean he uh still Chase still chasing I mean he uh still Chase still chasing I mean he could have just coasted at this point could have just coasted at this point could have just coasted at this point but he wanted to finish every one of his but he wanted to finish every one of his but he wanted to finish every one of his opponents and uh he got very very close opponents and uh he got very very close opponents and uh he got very very close but not quite there

but not quite there but not quite there and um and um and um then in his next match he had to take on then in his next match he had to take on then in his next match he had to take on the defending gold medalist from the the defending gold medalist from the the defending gold medalist from the previous uh uh uh ADCC amateurs and previous uh uh uh ADCC amateurs and previous uh uh uh ADCC amateurs and years this was the guy who was the years this was the guy who was the years this was the guy who was the favorite to win so you have a relatively favorite to win so you have a relatively favorite to win so you have a relatively unknown John Carlo fighting the man who unknown John Carlo fighting the man who unknown John Carlo fighting the man who defeated Craig Jones in the previous defeated Craig Jones in the previous defeated Craig Jones in the previous ADCC what do you remember what stood out to what do you remember what stood out to you about this match you about this match you about this match um is good wrestling is good everything um is good wrestling is good everything um is good wrestling is good everything yeah good all the wrong Grappler uh he's yeah good all the wrong Grappler uh he's yeah good all the wrong Grappler uh he's got uh by Jujitsu standards he's a very got uh by Jujitsu standards he's a very got uh by Jujitsu standards he's a very strong race list so Our intention was to strong race list so Our intention was to strong race list so Our intention was to match his wrestling with John Carter's match his wrestling with John Carter's match his wrestling with John Carter's uh uh Judo skills so uh uh Judo skills so uh uh Judo skills so um you'll see if we could um you'll see if we could um you'll see if we could um perhaps go back foreign foreign drag drag drag and took him down with a simple dragon and took him down with a simple dragon and took him down with a simple dragon pick so that was John Keller's uh first pick so that was John Keller's uh first pick so that was John Keller's uh first takedown that was more wrestling takedown that was more wrestling takedown that was more wrestling oriented and good for his confidence to oriented and good for his confidence to oriented and good for his confidence to see that he could score a nice take down see that he could score a nice take down see that he could score a nice take down but um uh Matthias Denise is very very but um uh Matthias Denise is very very but um uh Matthias Denise is very very good at standing up from bottom position good at standing up from bottom position good at standing up from bottom position if we just go back to the stamp okay now if we just go back to the stamp okay now if we just go back to the stamp okay now here we have something interesting here we have something interesting here we have something interesting Matthias comes up from bottom sees her Matthias comes up from bottom sees her Matthias comes up from bottom sees her leg and John Carlo defends the wrestling leg and John Carlo defends the wrestling leg and John Carlo defends the wrestling move and then goes immediately into what move and then goes immediately into what move and then goes immediately into what the fuck with a it's kind of a mix of the fuck with a it's kind of a mix of the fuck with a it's kind of a mix of society and uh that was beautiful I society and uh that was beautiful I society and uh that was beautiful I didn't even notice that that's really didn't even notice that that's really didn't even notice that that's really nice look at that

from from uh defending a single from from uh defending a single threatening a guillotine threatening a guillotine threatening a guillotine one of the big themes of our ADCC Camp one of the big themes of our ADCC Camp one of the big themes of our ADCC Camp was that most of our opponents now was that most of our opponents now was that most of our opponents now getting very strong in hand fighting getting very strong in hand fighting getting very strong in hand fighting look at that but they are not strong in look at that but they are not strong in look at that but they are not strong in foot fighting foot fighting foot fighting and so we put a very heavy emphasis on and so we put a very heavy emphasis on and so we put a very heavy emphasis on on uh foot sweeping attacks you'll on uh foot sweeping attacks you'll on uh foot sweeping attacks you'll remember Gordon Ryan took down Andre remember Gordon Ryan took down Andre remember Gordon Ryan took down Andre Galvan with a foot sweep and here you Galvan with a foot sweep and here you Galvan with a foot sweep and here you have John Carlo using the same uh have John Carlo using the same uh have John Carlo using the same uh technique not from the back but from the technique not from the back but from the technique not from the back but from the front and the Nova hook uh look at and it's just a beautiful look at and it's just a beautiful beautiful takedown that's beautiful Judo beautiful takedown that's beautiful Judo beautiful takedown that's beautiful Judo and then uh and then later on the match and then uh and then later on the match and then uh and then later on the match you'll use a kosaragake another you'll use a kosaragake another you'll use a kosaragake another classical Judo takedown to get top classical Judo takedown to get top classical Judo takedown to get top position now at one point Giancarlo was in now at one point Giancarlo was in trouble trouble trouble he got his back exposed he got his back exposed he got his back exposed with this situation good double leg to uh to a knee Pig double leg to uh to a knee Pig so he has to uh expose his back in order so he has to uh expose his back in order so he has to uh expose his back in order to avoid giving up takedown points but to avoid giving up takedown points but to avoid giving up takedown points but here's a defensive training that we work here's a defensive training that we work here's a defensive training that we work on is is coming through on is is coming through on is is coming through he's defensively sound shuts out the he's defensively sound shuts out the he's defensively sound shuts out the hook prevents a score keeps his body at the right angle to keeps his body at the right angle to prevent a power half Nelson staying calm

staying calm now he's got to turn this around now he's got to turn this around now he's got to turn this around it's one of the hardest things to do in it's one of the hardest things to do in it's one of the hardest things to do in grappling grappling grappling how dangerous is it to put your uh in how dangerous is it to put your uh in how dangerous is it to put your uh in this position to put your hands on the this position to put your hands on the this position to put your hands on the ground ground ground um it's ordinarily it could be dangerous um it's ordinarily it could be dangerous um it's ordinarily it could be dangerous because your opponent could switch to a because your opponent could switch to a because your opponent could switch to a number oops and there's the body log now number oops and there's the body log now number oops and there's the body log now there's some controversy here but you there's some controversy here but you there's some controversy here but you can clearly see it uh the hands were can clearly see it uh the hands were can clearly see it uh the hands were locked so it shouldn't really be as locked so it shouldn't really be as locked so it shouldn't really be as controversial as people are saying now controversial as people are saying now controversial as people are saying now watch for the right leg because sort of watch for the right leg because sort of watch for the right leg because sort of Gaga here pulls in the hips exposes the Gaga here pulls in the hips exposes the Gaga here pulls in the hips exposes the leg boom and down leg boom and down leg boom and down beautiful Coast Guard game also probably a lesson that uh also probably a lesson that uh complaining to a ref does not protect complaining to a ref does not protect complaining to a ref does not protect you from a good Tick Tock yeah that's you from a good Tick Tock yeah that's you from a good Tick Tock yeah that's why they're saying Combat Sports defend why they're saying Combat Sports defend why they're saying Combat Sports defend yourself at all times yourself at all times yourself at all times um but now the the great advantage of of um but now the the great advantage of of um but now the the great advantage of of Judo takedowns over wrestling Lake Judo takedowns over wrestling Lake Judo takedowns over wrestling Lake tackles is they confirm upper body tackles is they confirm upper body tackles is they confirm upper body connection after the takedown which is connection after the takedown which is connection after the takedown which is very very important for ADCC that's why very very important for ADCC that's why very very important for ADCC that's why we put such a heavy emphasis on them and we put such a heavy emphasis on them and we put such a heavy emphasis on them and um now John Carlos is absolutely in the um now John Carlos is absolutely in the um now John Carlos is absolutely in the driver's seat he discovered four points driver's seat he discovered four points driver's seat he discovered four points for that takedown so he's well ahead at for that takedown so he's well ahead at for that takedown so he's well ahead at this point against the established this point against the established this point against the established favorite for the entire weight division favorite for the entire weight division favorite for the entire weight division so now Matthias Denise has to start so now Matthias Denise has to start so now Matthias Denise has to start taking some risks he's staring down the taking some risks he's staring down the taking some risks he's staring down the barrel of defeat there's not that much barrel of defeat there's not that much barrel of defeat there's not that much time left and that's what's going to set time left and that's what's going to set time left and that's what's going to set up the the pressure now it's tactical up the the pressure now it's tactical up the the pressure now it's tactical pressure it's not physical pressure it's pressure it's not physical pressure it's pressure it's not physical pressure it's Tactical Matthias has to turn away

Tactical Matthias has to turn away Tactical Matthias has to turn away and that's going to create back exposure and that's going to create back exposure and that's going to create back exposure the most dangerous kind of exposure in the most dangerous kind of exposure in the most dangerous kind of exposure in ADCC ADCC ADCC oh there it is oh there it is oh there it is Mount to back and uh and uh Giancarlo capitalizes Giancarlo capitalizes Giancarlo capitalizes Mateus is smart he's keeping on the side Mateus is smart he's keeping on the side Mateus is smart he's keeping on the side so that less than 75 percent of his back so that less than 75 percent of his back so that less than 75 percent of his back is on the floor to deny the uh the is on the floor to deny the uh the is on the floor to deny the uh the mountain points but that comes at a mountain points but that comes at a mountain points but that comes at a price and that price is back exposure so price and that price is back exposure so price and that price is back exposure so the thing we talked about with Gordon the thing we talked about with Gordon the thing we talked about with Gordon the the circumstance of Fate which is he the the circumstance of Fate which is he the the circumstance of Fate which is he has a lot of grueling tough matches and has a lot of grueling tough matches and has a lot of grueling tough matches and still chooses to do absolute so what's still chooses to do absolute so what's still chooses to do absolute so what's and he seems to just power through all and he seems to just power through all and he seems to just power through all of it what how much of it of it what how much of it of it what how much of it how much of the calculation is how to how much of the calculation is how to how much of the calculation is how to survive the cardio the grueling cardio survive the cardio the grueling cardio survive the cardio the grueling cardio aspect of all of this that's uh it's a aspect of all of this that's uh it's a aspect of all of this that's uh it's a great question and the truth of the great question and the truth of the great question and the truth of the matter is you can't matter is you can't matter is you can't forward to pace yourself forward to pace yourself forward to pace yourself because if you say I'm going to hold because if you say I'm going to hold because if you say I'm going to hold myself back for this match an myself back for this match an myself back for this match an expectation of the others you could end expectation of the others you could end expectation of the others you could end up losing your first match so he didn't up losing your first match so he didn't up losing your first match so he didn't Pierce himself at all any of the matches Pierce himself at all any of the matches Pierce himself at all any of the matches you have to just be in good shape and you have to just be in good shape and you have to just be in good shape and that's what they're they're going on that's what they're they're going on that's what they're they're going on no it's mostly physical you've that's no it's mostly physical you've that's no it's mostly physical you've that's what the camp is for like he's felt more what the camp is for like he's felt more what the camp is for like he's felt more pressure in the training room that he pressure in the training room that he pressure in the training room that he felt in any of his matches but still sort of attacking look at this

but still sort of attacking look at this from back or from whatever the heck that from back or from whatever the heck that from back or from whatever the heck that position was position was position was uh a rate for uh from looking for the uh a rate for uh from looking for the uh a rate for uh from looking for the back transitioning here what the heck is back transitioning here what the heck is back transitioning here what the heck is this transition so Matthias is engaging this transition so Matthias is engaging this transition so Matthias is engaging in a very good tactic which is to get in a very good tactic which is to get in a very good tactic which is to get most of his back off the ground to deny most of his back off the ground to deny most of his back off the ground to deny the amount points so as back exposure the amount points so as back exposure the amount points so as back exposure starts okay he turns in threatening yeah starts okay he turns in threatening yeah starts okay he turns in threatening yeah but you can see what's happening here is but you can see what's happening here is but you can see what's happening here is the left foot goes under it's going to the left foot goes under it's going to the left foot goes under it's going to create a beautiful triangle entry create a beautiful triangle entry create a beautiful triangle entry right foot penetrates through underneath right foot penetrates through underneath right foot penetrates through underneath the neck the neck the neck and now he's locking a triangle a and now he's locking a triangle a and now he's locking a triangle a senkaku but not just any triangle a senkaku but not just any triangle a senkaku but not just any triangle a triangle with the the figure four locked triangle with the the figure four locked triangle with the the figure four locked on the back of the opponent's head which on the back of the opponent's head which on the back of the opponent's head which makes any kind of stacking defense very makes any kind of stacking defense very makes any kind of stacking defense very very difficult it makes it very very very difficult it makes it very very very difficult it makes it very very hard for an opponent to pull away and hard for an opponent to pull away and hard for an opponent to pull away and creates a much tighter strangle than creates a much tighter strangle than creates a much tighter strangle than average and as a result it's a quick submission and as a result it's a quick submission beautifully done still chasing the beautifully done still chasing the beautifully done still chasing the submission yes uh with a minute left up submission yes uh with a minute left up submission yes uh with a minute left up on points against the former Champion on points against the former Champion on points against the former Champion against the former Champion that's match against the former Champion that's match against the former Champion that's match number two now that's the first day number two now that's the first day number two now that's the first day that's Saturday so John Kohler goes to that's Saturday so John Kohler goes to that's Saturday so John Kohler goes to sleep that night thinking okay I just sleep that night thinking okay I just sleep that night thinking okay I just beat a world champion in my first match beat a world champion in my first match beat a world champion in my first match and almost submitted him and I just and almost submitted him and I just and almost submitted him and I just submitted the defending Champion so of submitted the defending Champion so of submitted the defending Champion so of course he wakes up on Sunday morning course he wakes up on Sunday morning course he wakes up on Sunday morning feeling pretty damn good now there's an feeling pretty damn good now there's an feeling pretty damn good now there's an interesting twist here his opponent is a interesting twist here his opponent is a interesting twist here his opponent is a talented young Irishman who won European talented young Irishman who won European talented young Irishman who won European trials I believe almost entirely with trials I believe almost entirely with trials I believe almost entirely with leg logs and almost all of his major leg logs and almost all of his major leg logs and almost all of his major attacks in the tournament so far have

attacks in the tournament so far have attacks in the tournament so far have been leglocks now bear in mind that a been leglocks now bear in mind that a been leglocks now bear in mind that a year ago John Carter was losing to local year ago John Carter was losing to local year ago John Carter was losing to local blue belt competitors via leglock yeah blue belt competitors via leglock yeah blue belt competitors via leglock yeah so in my mind I'm thinking okay how's he so in my mind I'm thinking okay how's he so in my mind I'm thinking okay how's he going to handle this is with the leg going to handle this is with the leg going to handle this is with the leg lock training kick in and you'll see the lock training kick in and you'll see the lock training kick in and you'll see the result result result foreign Owen from Ireland is employing the same Owen from Ireland is employing the same tactics that we made famous uh years ago tactics that we made famous uh years ago tactics that we made famous uh years ago the idea of sitting the butterfly garden the idea of sitting the butterfly garden the idea of sitting the butterfly garden looking to entangle the legs he's kind looking to entangle the legs he's kind looking to entangle the legs he's kind of playing that game so um so John of playing that game so um so John of playing that game so um so John Carter is obviously used to this from Carter is obviously used to this from Carter is obviously used to this from training the gym so he's doing a good training the gym so he's doing a good training the gym so he's doing a good job of preventing entanglement a job of preventing entanglement a job of preventing entanglement a controlling his opponent shoelaces and controlling his opponent shoelaces and controlling his opponent shoelaces and moving out to an angle which limits his moving out to an angle which limits his moving out to an angle which limits his opponent's entry options so hands on the opponent's entry options so hands on the opponent's entry options so hands on the shoelaces and angles is a good defense shoelaces and angles is a good defense shoelaces and angles is a good defense here here here it's an initial defense now his opponent it's an initial defense now his opponent it's an initial defense now his opponent wants to get underneath the center of wants to get underneath the center of wants to get underneath the center of gravity so John Carlo wants to get gravity so John Carlo wants to get gravity so John Carlo wants to get outside the uh the line of his legs at outside the uh the line of his legs at outside the uh the line of his legs at some point your opponent is going to some point your opponent is going to some point your opponent is going to entangle if he's determined to entangle entangle if he's determined to entangle entangle if he's determined to entangle at some point it's going to happen so at some point it's going to happen so at some point it's going to happen so John Carter decides okay let's let it John Carter decides okay let's let it John Carter decides okay let's let it happen happen happen and let's see where his feet go and and let's see where his feet go and and let's see where his feet go and let's see how disciplined he is with his let's see how disciplined he is with his let's see how disciplined he is with his feet and the opponent is inverted and the opponent is inverted uh here does a good job getting behind uh here does a good job getting behind uh here does a good job getting behind John Carlo's knee so now they're fully logged in so John

so now they're fully logged in so John Cullen moves away to protect the heel Cullen moves away to protect the heel Cullen moves away to protect the heel rotates out and controls the shoelace rotates out and controls the shoelace rotates out and controls the shoelace now at this point the irishman's now at this point the irishman's now at this point the irishman's starting to lose discipline with his own starting to lose discipline with his own starting to lose discipline with his own foot position okay he's so focused on foot position okay he's so focused on foot position okay he's so focused on his own attack that he's starting to get his own attack that he's starting to get his own attack that he's starting to get a little sloppy with his own foot a little sloppy with his own foot a little sloppy with his own foot possession you see he's assuming oh I'm possession you see he's assuming oh I'm possession you see he's assuming oh I'm the guy who's attacking so my opponent the guy who's attacking so my opponent the guy who's attacking so my opponent will be afraid of my leg logs and is will be afraid of my leg logs and is will be afraid of my leg logs and is starting to make some small technical starting to make some small technical starting to make some small technical errors that John Carter will take errors that John Carter will take errors that John Carter will take advantage of so he's threatening the advantage of so he's threatening the advantage of so he's threatening the sort of the north-south passer sort of the north-south passer sort of the north-south passer like uh yeah yeah it's not putting too much yeah yeah it's not putting too much pressure on the past because we're still pressure on the past because we're still pressure on the past because we're still pretty early in the match and pretty early in the match and pretty early in the match and um he's not ready to score yet so here um he's not ready to score yet so here um he's not ready to score yet so here again he turns away his heel now his again he turns away his heel now his again he turns away his heel now his opponent's starting to get more and more opponent's starting to get more and more opponent's starting to get more and more Cavalier with his foot positioning to a Cavalier with his foot positioning to a Cavalier with his foot positioning to a point where now it's just downright point where now it's just downright point where now it's just downright sloppy so Giancarlo sees it identifies it locks so Giancarlo sees it identifies it locks up a wrist to wrist Toe Hold and breaks up a wrist to wrist Toe Hold and breaks up a wrist to wrist Toe Hold and breaks his foot his foot his foot how how how how how how where's the where's the where's the dumb question where's the control here dumb question where's the control here dumb question where's the control here how is he the control comes from his how is he the control comes from his how is he the control comes from his opponent the entanglement is his opponent the entanglement is his opponent the entanglement is his opponent's ah his opponent is holding opponent's ah his opponent is holding opponent's ah his opponent is holding his own body in place with his own legs his own body in place with his own legs his own body in place with his own legs so he's the root of his own problem here so he's the root of his own problem here so he's the root of his own problem here so you got sloppy well done well done so you got sloppy well done well done so you got sloppy well done well done and a little smile from drunk that was

and a little smile from drunk that was and a little smile from drunk that was very nice the reason for that smile you very nice the reason for that smile you very nice the reason for that smile you can probably guess is because can probably guess is because can probably guess is because a year ago a year ago a year ago this would have been a disaster and now this would have been a disaster and now this would have been a disaster and now instead it's a guaranteed ticket to the instead it's a guaranteed ticket to the instead it's a guaranteed ticket to the finals in either a gold or a silver finals in either a gold or a silver finals in either a gold or a silver medal and so you can see in that medal and so you can see in that medal and so you can see in that compressed moment that's the look of a compressed moment that's the look of a compressed moment that's the look of a man who's made was just recognized as man who's made was just recognized as man who's made was just recognized as how much progress he's made and what was how much progress he's made and what was how much progress he's made and what was once a weakness in roughly 10 months was once a weakness in roughly 10 months was once a weakness in roughly 10 months was the time it took and so uh he faces the time it took and so uh he faces the time it took and so uh he faces Lucas Hulk Barbosa in the in in the Lucas Hulk Barbosa in the in in the Lucas Hulk Barbosa in the in in the final here now these do have a history final here now these do have a history final here now these do have a history um Hulk is beaten uh John Carlin many um Hulk is beaten uh John Carlin many um Hulk is beaten uh John Carlin many times and um so for John Carlo it's a times and um so for John Carlo it's a times and um so for John Carlo it's a question of okay question of okay question of okay here I'm matched up against a guy who's here I'm matched up against a guy who's here I'm matched up against a guy who's repeatedly beaten me repeatedly beaten me repeatedly beaten me how am I how am I going to turn this how am I how am I going to turn this how am I how am I going to turn this around now and in terms of we talked around now and in terms of we talked around now and in terms of we talked earlier about confidence if confidence earlier about confidence if confidence earlier about confidence if confidence was just a mental thing was just a mental thing was just a mental thing Giancarlo never would have won this Giancarlo never would have won this Giancarlo never would have won this fight when you've lost all those times fight when you've lost all those times fight when you've lost all those times to to an athlete to to an athlete to to an athlete um words aren't going to change anything um words aren't going to change anything um words aren't going to change anything but you can see right from the start but you can see right from the start but you can see right from the start when they get into the hand fight John when they get into the hand fight John when they get into the hand fight John Carlo is much more technically Adept Carlo is much more technically Adept Carlo is much more technically Adept with his hand fighting he's doing a good with his hand fighting he's doing a good with his hand fighting he's doing a good job of controlling his opponent's hands job of controlling his opponent's hands job of controlling his opponent's hands preventing any kind of prolonged preventing any kind of prolonged preventing any kind of prolonged pressure on the head and pressure on the head and pressure on the head and the Hulk gets a sense here in which he the Hulk gets a sense here in which he the Hulk gets a sense here in which he realizes he's fighting a very different realizes he's fighting a very different realizes he's fighting a very different person again another Super grueling match

again another Super grueling match wrestling that eventually leads to a back take that eventually leads to a back take care back triangle care back triangle care back triangle body drawing up on this here you can see the same tactics here you can see the same tactics utilized by um golden Ryan utilized by um golden Ryan utilized by um golden Ryan back control based around the body trial back control based around the body trial back control based around the body trial many attempts to try and entrap his many attempts to try and entrap his many attempts to try and entrap his opponent's arm and take away those opponent's arm and take away those opponent's arm and take away those defensive arms the main difference here defensive arms the main difference here defensive arms the main difference here is again you have an athlete with a very is again you have an athlete with a very is again you have an athlete with a very powerful compact neck so neck powerful compact neck so neck powerful compact neck so neck penetration is difficult and so John penetration is difficult and so John penetration is difficult and so John Carl will switch to a a palm to Palm Carl will switch to a a palm to Palm Carl will switch to a a palm to Palm strangle instead of the conventional strangle instead of the conventional strangle instead of the conventional figure four and uh now there's eight minutes left so and uh now there's eight minutes left so all the time in the world all the time in the world all the time in the world is it only just a matter of time at this is it only just a matter of time at this is it only just a matter of time at this point in situations like this yeah John point in situations like this yeah John point in situations like this yeah John Carter has a massive tactical lead and Carter has a massive tactical lead and Carter has a massive tactical lead and points there's literally no way he could points there's literally no way he could points there's literally no way he could lose this match at this point lose this match at this point lose this match at this point um even if his opponent did get out of um even if his opponent did get out of um even if his opponent did get out of here and take him down here and take him down here and take him down John Carter would still be a hit on John Carter would still be a hit on John Carter would still be a hit on points so at this question the question now is so at this question the question now is not whether John Carter will get the not whether John Carter will get the not whether John Carter will get the gold medal but whether John Carter will gold medal but whether John Carter will gold medal but whether John Carter will will get it by submission and there it will get it by submission and there it will get it by submission and there it is there's the penetration of the neck is there's the penetration of the neck is there's the penetration of the neck and he can't get the figure four so he and he can't get the figure four so he and he can't get the figure four so he asks for Palms Apartment instead and asks for Palms Apartment instead and asks for Palms Apartment instead and there's the submission now what a journey what is it John now what a journey what is it John Carlo's a relatively unemotional man but

Carlo's a relatively unemotional man but Carlo's a relatively unemotional man but you can see there's there's emotion you can see there's there's emotion you can see there's there's emotion that's not fake that's genuine and that's not fake that's genuine and that's not fake that's genuine and that's the emotions of a man who that's the emotions of a man who that's the emotions of a man who 10 months ago couldn't have done that 10 months ago couldn't have done that 10 months ago couldn't have done that and then 10 months later by Dent of his and then 10 months later by Dent of his and then 10 months later by Dent of his own hard work and and dedication and uh own hard work and and dedication and uh own hard work and and dedication and uh his ability to to actively attack his his ability to to actively attack his his ability to to actively attack his weaknesses and turn them into strengths weaknesses and turn them into strengths weaknesses and turn them into strengths and then develop an ability to uh to to and then develop an ability to uh to to and then develop an ability to uh to to finish finish finish that that was a truly truly remarkable that that was a truly truly remarkable that that was a truly truly remarkable achievement achievement achievement let me ask you about let me ask you about let me ask you about um garyton um garyton um garyton so he is one of the so he is one of the so he is one of the at least in my opinion the greatest at least in my opinion the greatest at least in my opinion the greatest submission Grapplers of all time there's submission Grapplers of all time there's submission Grapplers of all time there's a lot of components to that but he lost a lot of components to that but he lost a lot of components to that but he lost in his first match not only did Gary in his first match not only did Gary in his first match not only did Gary lose he lost to the Bottom seed of his lose he lost to the Bottom seed of his lose he lost to the Bottom seed of his Division and that in itself is something Division and that in itself is something Division and that in itself is something pretty remarkable about what's happening pretty remarkable about what's happening pretty remarkable about what's happening in ADCC how in ADCC how in ADCC how there's a sense in which the days of the invited athletes being far superior the invited athletes being far superior to the trials winners are over it was a to the trials winners are over it was a to the trials winners are over it was a clear signal that anyone who makes it to clear signal that anyone who makes it to clear signal that anyone who makes it to ADCC can beat the best people ADCC can beat the best people ADCC can beat the best people um Sam McNally is a very talented uh um Sam McNally is a very talented uh um Sam McNally is a very talented uh submission Grappler from Ireland he submission Grappler from Ireland he submission Grappler from Ireland he specializes mostly in arm bars but he specializes mostly in arm bars but he specializes mostly in arm bars but he has a good positional game as well has a good positional game as well has a good positional game as well there's a very modern look to his uh to there's a very modern look to his uh to there's a very modern look to his uh to his Jiu Jitsu and uh he did a fantastic his Jiu Jitsu and uh he did a fantastic his Jiu Jitsu and uh he did a fantastic job against garitonin

job against garitonin job against garitonin I think technically uh Gary perhaps got I think technically uh Gary perhaps got I think technically uh Gary perhaps got a little far away from a little far away from a little far away from uh uh uh his true nature and grappling which is his true nature and grappling which is his true nature and grappling which is Relentless submission attack and perhaps Relentless submission attack and perhaps Relentless submission attack and perhaps uh I should be uh I should be uh I should be given blame for this because they put given blame for this because they put given blame for this because they put such a heavy emphasis on the in the such a heavy emphasis on the in the such a heavy emphasis on the in the training camp overall on positional training camp overall on positional training camp overall on positional pressure that I feel that worked very pressure that I feel that worked very pressure that I feel that worked very well for all of the athletes except Gary well for all of the athletes except Gary well for all of the athletes except Gary tonan and um interesting so his his name tonan and um interesting so his his name tonan and um interesting so his his name you have to acknowledge the nature of you have to acknowledge the nature of you have to acknowledge the nature of the athletes part and I think I was the athletes part and I think I was the athletes part and I think I was coaching so hard to the to the new coaching so hard to the to the new coaching so hard to the to the new people in the room on positional people in the room on positional people in the room on positional pressure that I neglected Gary's uh pressure that I neglected Gary's uh pressure that I neglected Gary's uh innate ability to it the fact that he innate ability to it the fact that he innate ability to it the fact that he does best when he um attacks exclusively does best when he um attacks exclusively does best when he um attacks exclusively by submission so I think if if anyone by submission so I think if if anyone by submission so I think if if anyone should get blamed for the failure here should get blamed for the failure here should get blamed for the failure here it should be me uh there's another it should be me uh there's another it should be me uh there's another comment as uh maybe I'm over um um overvaluing that sort of just the overvaluing that sort of just the overvaluing that sort of just the physical aspect of this but it seemed physical aspect of this but it seemed physical aspect of this but it seemed like Gary was looked skinny is is the like Gary was looked skinny is is the like Gary was looked skinny is is the weight cut yeah he weight cut yeah he weight cut yeah he um this is the first time I ever went um this is the first time I ever went um this is the first time I ever went down to the uh 66 kilos so down to the uh 66 kilos so down to the uh 66 kilos so um you know it wasn't critical these um you know it wasn't critical these um you know it wasn't critical these other guys who were bigger than him who other guys who were bigger than him who other guys who were bigger than him who made the weight made the weight made the weight um but the weight cut if you can just um but the weight cut if you can just um but the weight cut if you can just comment on is that does that ever play a comment on is that does that ever play a comment on is that does that ever play a part in the athletes the the physical part in the athletes the the physical part in the athletes the the physical and the mental aspect of the weight cut and the mental aspect of the weight cut and the mental aspect of the weight cut it is it is a thing can wrestling That it is it is a thing can wrestling That it is it is a thing can wrestling That Could Break Even some of the toughest

Could Break Even some of the toughest Could Break Even some of the toughest Minds yeah but no it wasn't a white cat Minds yeah but no it wasn't a white cat Minds yeah but no it wasn't a white cat that would break someone like Garrett's that would break someone like Garrett's that would break someone like Garrett's owner and it was it's more physical you owner and it was it's more physical you owner and it was it's more physical you you train lighter and weaker you tend to you train lighter and weaker you tend to you train lighter and weaker you tend to get injured more in Camp because you're get injured more in Camp because you're get injured more in Camp because you're lighter lighter lighter um we have a team now after the breakout um we have a team now after the breakout um we have a team now after the breakout that's mostly comprised of people over that's mostly comprised of people over that's mostly comprised of people over 215 pounds so um uh there's very few 215 pounds so um uh there's very few 215 pounds so um uh there's very few small people left in the gym most of the small people left in the gym most of the small people left in the gym most of the smaller athletes went uh to B team so smaller athletes went uh to B team so smaller athletes went uh to B team so um uh Gary's been struggling a little um uh Gary's been struggling a little um uh Gary's been struggling a little bit with with training partners and um bit with with training partners and um bit with with training partners and um uh but here I think the chief problem uh but here I think the chief problem uh but here I think the chief problem was that uh Gary focused perhaps a was that uh Gary focused perhaps a was that uh Gary focused perhaps a little too much on the positional little too much on the positional little too much on the positional tactical game and got away from his his tactical game and got away from his his tactical game and got away from his his true gift which is uh uh Relentless true gift which is uh uh Relentless true gift which is uh uh Relentless hunting for submissions and as I said I hunting for submissions and as I said I hunting for submissions and as I said I think the person to blame for that is me think the person to blame for that is me think the person to blame for that is me because I put I had to put so much because I put I had to put so much because I put I had to put so much emphasis on the positional game for the emphasis on the positional game for the emphasis on the positional game for the for the developing athletes that um I for the developing athletes that um I for the developing athletes that um I didn't pay enough attention to Gary's didn't pay enough attention to Gary's didn't pay enough attention to Gary's unique attributes so this uh I mentioned unique attributes so this uh I mentioned unique attributes so this uh I mentioned I posted some stuff on Reddit so there's I posted some stuff on Reddit so there's I posted some stuff on Reddit so there's a relevant question here uh somebody on a relevant question here uh somebody on a relevant question here uh somebody on Reddit asked Gordon has said and perhaps Reddit asked Gordon has said and perhaps Reddit asked Gordon has said and perhaps you have said as well there are two you have said as well there are two you have said as well there are two types of Jiu Jitsu practitioners ones types of Jiu Jitsu practitioners ones types of Jiu Jitsu practitioners ones who move themselves around like Marcel who move themselves around like Marcel who move themselves around like Marcel Garcia and ones that control the motion Garcia and ones that control the motion Garcia and ones that control the motion of their opponents like Gordon of their opponents like Gordon of their opponents like Gordon um what are the strengths and weaknesses um what are the strengths and weaknesses um what are the strengths and weaknesses of each approach and how do those of each approach and how do those of each approach and how do those different approaches apply depending on

different approaches apply depending on different approaches apply depending on which way class you're in that's a great which way class you're in that's a great which way class you're in that's a great set of questions yes um uh I'm the set of questions yes um uh I'm the set of questions yes um uh I'm the person who promulgates this idea that person who promulgates this idea that person who promulgates this idea that there's two broad ways you can go on there's two broad ways you can go on there's two broad ways you can go on Jiu-Jitsu you can either Jiu-Jitsu you can either Jiu-Jitsu you can either focus on focus on focus on promoting your own movement to create promoting your own movement to create promoting your own movement to create opportunity or by restricting the other opportunity or by restricting the other opportunity or by restricting the other person's movement person's movement person's movement if you're a slower if you're a slower if you're a slower less athletic opponent less athletic opponent less athletic opponent then you should definitely focus on the then you should definitely focus on the then you should definitely focus on the idea of restricting the other fellows idea of restricting the other fellows idea of restricting the other fellows movement that's how slow unathletic movement that's how slow unathletic movement that's how slow unathletic people win in Jiu-Jitsu if you're quick people win in Jiu-Jitsu if you're quick people win in Jiu-Jitsu if you're quick with the ability to change direction with the ability to change direction with the ability to change direction stand up quickly go down quickly stand up quickly go down quickly stand up quickly go down quickly and move like a leopard then you're and move like a leopard then you're and move like a leopard then you're almost always better off generating almost always better off generating almost always better off generating movement movement movement in order to create opportunity so one is in order to create opportunity so one is in order to create opportunity so one is based more on movement as the the source based more on movement as the the source based more on movement as the the source of opportunity one is based more upon of opportunity one is based more upon of opportunity one is based more upon pressure as the source of opportunity so pressure as the source of opportunity so pressure as the source of opportunity so you'll get someone like Gary Turnin or you'll get someone like Gary Turnin or you'll get someone like Gary Turnin or the ruatolo brothers their game is based the ruatolo brothers their game is based the ruatolo brothers their game is based around the idea of promoting their own around the idea of promoting their own around the idea of promoting their own movement to create opportunity whereas movement to create opportunity whereas movement to create opportunity whereas someone like Gordon Ryan or Hydra Grace someone like Gordon Ryan or Hydra Grace someone like Gordon Ryan or Hydra Grace is about restricting movement and using is about restricting movement and using is about restricting movement and using that pressure that pressure that pressure to create reactive opportunity those are to create reactive opportunity those are to create reactive opportunity those are the two paths you can take in Jiu Jitsu the two paths you can take in Jiu Jitsu the two paths you can take in Jiu Jitsu because our team now has become mostly because our team now has become mostly because our team now has become mostly associated with people over 200 pounds associated with people over 200 pounds associated with people over 200 pounds and because most of them will begin as I and because most of them will begin as I and because most of them will begin as I took the more high percentage approach took the more high percentage approach took the more high percentage approach of okay let's uh let's focus primarily of okay let's uh let's focus primarily of okay let's uh let's focus primarily on controlling the other fellows

on controlling the other fellows on controlling the other fellows movement and movement and movement and um uh but Gary is a unique individual um uh but Gary is a unique individual um uh but Gary is a unique individual and I feel like I let him down by not uh and I feel like I let him down by not uh and I feel like I let him down by not uh Giving Him special attention in in Giving Him special attention in in Giving Him special attention in in regards to to what he does the fact that regards to to what he does the fact that regards to to what he does the fact that you've mentioned is now like four times you've mentioned is now like four times you've mentioned is now like four times in the in the span of a few minutes just in the in the span of a few minutes just in the in the span of a few minutes just I love that that that all of the stuff I love that that that all of the stuff I love that that that all of the stuff will be so heavy on you will be so heavy on you will be so heavy on you um and he is a truly special person it um and he is a truly special person it um and he is a truly special person it is truly interesting to see what is the is truly interesting to see what is the is truly interesting to see what is the nature of a particular athlete that if nature of a particular athlete that if nature of a particular athlete that if you highlight makes them shine let's go you highlight makes them shine let's go you highlight makes them shine let's go to the part where Gary actually loses to the part where Gary actually loses to the part where Gary actually loses the match okay so the match is pretty the match okay so the match is pretty the match okay so the match is pretty innocuous at this point the guy does a innocuous at this point the guy does a innocuous at this point the guy does a good job of turning into the arm good job of turning into the arm good job of turning into the arm and um and um and um Gary gets caught reaching from the knees Gary gets caught reaching from the knees Gary gets caught reaching from the knees okay that's always a mistake and uh the okay that's always a mistake and uh the okay that's always a mistake and uh the guy does I think he does a great job guy does I think he does a great job guy does I think he does a great job capitalizing on it now there's there's capitalizing on it now there's there's capitalizing on it now there's there's limited time left on the clock this guy limited time left on the clock this guy limited time left on the clock this guy realizes oh this is my opportunity he's realizes oh this is my opportunity he's realizes oh this is my opportunity he's got good flexibility and he gets the got good flexibility and he gets the got good flexibility and he gets the Hawks if we just freeze it right there Hawks if we just freeze it right there Hawks if we just freeze it right there so there's a minute and a half left and so there's a minute and a half left and so there's a minute and a half left and typically an 80cc if you get the bag you typically an 80cc if you get the bag you typically an 80cc if you get the bag you score three points so uh this is a huge score three points so uh this is a huge score three points so uh this is a huge score score score um for Gary to win here it's got to be um for Gary to win here it's got to be um for Gary to win here it's got to be by submission okay so Gary's made one by submission okay so Gary's made one by submission okay so Gary's made one mistake now mistake now mistake now um this talented young fellow from um this talented young fellow from um this talented young fellow from Ireland does a great job not only of Ireland does a great job not only of Ireland does a great job not only of getting the bag but he really attacks getting the bag but he really attacks getting the bag but he really attacks well from the back and let's look at the well from the back and let's look at the well from the back and let's look at the depth of garyton's defensive Acumen here depth of garyton's defensive Acumen here depth of garyton's defensive Acumen here and we should say leading up to this his and we should say leading up to this his and we should say leading up to this his defense is incredible yeah he's keeping

defense is incredible yeah he's keeping defense is incredible yeah he's keeping escaping evidence a nickname for Gary is escaping evidence a nickname for Gary is escaping evidence a nickname for Gary is the slippery salmon because he's like the slippery salmon because he's like the slippery salmon because he's like trying to hold a goddamn salmon on the trying to hold a goddamn salmon on the trying to hold a goddamn salmon on the riverbank trying to hold on to this kid riverbank trying to hold on to this kid riverbank trying to hold on to this kid so he gets into a position which looks so he gets into a position which looks so he gets into a position which looks absolutely hopeless here it gets worse absolutely hopeless here it gets worse absolutely hopeless here it gets worse this is already bad but this is already bad but this is already bad but um um um um it's one of the most fun things about um it's one of the most fun things about um it's one of the most fun things about to watch while Gary is the skill and the to watch while Gary is the skill and the to watch while Gary is the skill and the escapes it's incredible it's it's escapes it's incredible it's it's escapes it's incredible it's it's beautiful to watch so the guy has an beautiful to watch so the guy has an beautiful to watch so the guy has an excellent opportunity to transition off excellent opportunity to transition off excellent opportunity to transition off him into a rare triangle which is one of him into a rare triangle which is one of him into a rare triangle which is one of the hardest things in the world to get the hardest things in the world to get the hardest things in the world to get out of and from here if this was anyone out of and from here if this was anyone out of and from here if this was anyone but Gary tone and I think it would have but Gary tone and I think it would have but Gary tone and I think it would have been curtains but you see Gary just been curtains but you see Gary just been curtains but you see Gary just extends keeps his arm at the just the extends keeps his arm at the just the extends keeps his arm at the just the right angle to pop out and gets out so right angle to pop out and gets out so right angle to pop out and gets out so now Gary's like oh crap I'm gonna lose now Gary's like oh crap I'm gonna lose now Gary's like oh crap I'm gonna lose to this fucking guy so he's got a minute to this fucking guy so he's got a minute to this fucking guy so he's got a minute left to do something so he goes back left to do something so he goes back left to do something so he goes back into his submission mode he goes back to into his submission mode he goes back to into his submission mode he goes back to who Gary Tillman is and immediately goes who Gary Tillman is and immediately goes who Gary Tillman is and immediately goes into leg lock action into leg lock action into leg lock action now now now the the uh the young man from Ireland the the uh the young man from Ireland the the uh the young man from Ireland realizes hey I'm going to win this match realizes hey I'm going to win this match realizes hey I'm going to win this match against the number one seed so Gary goes against the number one seed so Gary goes against the number one seed so Gary goes into the legs into the legs into the legs gets to one of his favorite techniques gets to one of his favorite techniques gets to one of his favorite techniques the the heel hook the the heel hook the the heel hook now Gary has a brutal heel hook his egg now Gary has a brutal heel hook his egg now Gary has a brutal heel hook his egg and gets real pressure on the kid's leg and gets real pressure on the kid's leg and gets real pressure on the kid's leg oh oh it's hard to watch yeah but to his oh oh it's hard to watch yeah but to his oh oh it's hard to watch yeah but to his credit the kid is smart he's like you credit the kid is smart he's like you credit the kid is smart he's like you know what let me uh he's just let me know what let me uh he's just let me know what let me uh he's just let me take some let me take some zero weakness take some let me take some zero weakness take some let me take some zero weakness to that like well he turned his hips to that like well he turned his hips to that like well he turned his hips yeah it's unclear from the video whether

yeah it's unclear from the video whether yeah it's unclear from the video whether Gary's uh um slipped up with his Gary's uh um slipped up with his Gary's uh um slipped up with his considerable braking pressures oh it considerable braking pressures oh it considerable braking pressures oh it slipped yeah yeah it's unclear even slipped yeah yeah it's unclear even slipped yeah yeah it's unclear even before but sometimes the heel can slip before but sometimes the heel can slip before but sometimes the heel can slip because it's because something's popped because it's because something's popped because it's because something's popped so it's unclear what happened there so it's unclear what happened there so it's unclear what happened there there seems to be a reaction from the there seems to be a reaction from the there seems to be a reaction from the part of the opponent like it definitely part of the opponent like it definitely part of the opponent like it definitely did some damage so Gary goes back for a did some damage so Gary goes back for a did some damage so Gary goes back for a second one oh no and again you get that second one oh no and again you get that second one oh no and again you get that same kind of pressure oh no oh right but same kind of pressure oh no oh right but same kind of pressure oh no oh right but I I like I like the Irish kids reaction I I like I like the Irish kids reaction I I like I like the Irish kids reaction though he's just like you know what let though he's just like you know what let though he's just like you know what let me eat this because I'm gonna win this me eat this because I'm gonna win this me eat this because I'm gonna win this match and I'm gonna be a legend for match and I'm gonna be a legend for match and I'm gonna be a legend for beating Gary Tony so I admired his beating Gary Tony so I admired his beating Gary Tony so I admired his internal fortitude and um but now Gary internal fortitude and um but now Gary internal fortitude and um but now Gary knows he's lost it so it there's a knows he's lost it so it there's a knows he's lost it so it there's a sensor in which you you see how sensor in which you you see how sensor in which you you see how close it gets in these situations how close it gets in these situations how close it gets in these situations how little there is between winner and loser little there is between winner and loser little there is between winner and loser and sometimes you just get these and sometimes you just get these and sometimes you just get these heartbreaking heartbreaking heartbreaking situations where someone who ordinarily situations where someone who ordinarily situations where someone who ordinarily you would probably do very well against you would probably do very well against you would probably do very well against and you make one mistake and it's an and you make one mistake and it's an and you make one mistake and it's an it's an unrewarding uncompromising sport it's an unrewarding uncompromising sport it's an unrewarding uncompromising sport one mistake can be fatal in class you one mistake can be fatal in class you one mistake can be fatal in class you talked about escapes for arm locks and talked about escapes for arm locks and talked about escapes for arm locks and applies here as well uh so you were applies here as well uh so you were applies here as well uh so you were teaching armalk escapes and I think uh teaching armalk escapes and I think uh teaching armalk escapes and I think uh uh choke escapes uh and the question uh choke escapes uh and the question uh choke escapes uh and the question came up when should an athlete not tap came up when should an athlete not tap came up when should an athlete not tap and risk their arm being broken and you and risk their arm being broken and you and risk their arm being broken and you quoted George Patton as of course you quoted George Patton as of course you quoted George Patton as of course you would that no bastard ever won a war by would that no bastard ever won a war by would that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country he wanted by dying for his country he wanted by dying for his country he wanted by making some other Bastard die for his making some other Bastard die for his making some other Bastard die for his country so what's your view on when to country so what's your view on when to country so what's your view on when to tap and when not not to tap in

tap and when not not to tap in tap and when not not to tap in competition first off in in training you competition first off in in training you competition first off in in training you should be tapping very early because should be tapping very early because should be tapping very early because um uh you know getting paid to fight in um uh you know getting paid to fight in um uh you know getting paid to fight in the gym you're getting paid to fight on the gym you're getting paid to fight on the gym you're getting paid to fight on stage so be a professional in the gym stage so be a professional in the gym stage so be a professional in the gym step early tap fast that way you'll step early tap fast that way you'll step early tap fast that way you'll you'll last a lot longer in competition you'll last a lot longer in competition you'll last a lot longer in competition things were a little different we also things were a little different we also things were a little different we also have to specify what is the situation have to specify what is the situation have to specify what is the situation okay if you're in the first round of okay if you're in the first round of okay if you're in the first round of ADCC your first match you get caught ADCC your first match you get caught ADCC your first match you get caught I would always expect my students to tap I would always expect my students to tap I would always expect my students to tap because because because if you get your leg broken or your arm if you get your leg broken or your arm if you get your leg broken or your arm broken in the first round you still got broken in the first round you still got broken in the first round you still got three more matches before you get to the three more matches before you get to the three more matches before you get to the final there is a Escape Clause there is final there is a Escape Clause there is final there is a Escape Clause there is if you're a guy from Ireland and you're if you're a guy from Ireland and you're if you're a guy from Ireland and you're fighting the number one seed there is fighting the number one seed there is fighting the number one seed there is always an escape Clause yeah like Let It always an escape Clause yeah like Let It always an escape Clause yeah like Let It snap yeah Let It Go but um uh your snap yeah Let It Go but um uh your snap yeah Let It Go but um uh your students yes yeah I I would expect them students yes yeah I I would expect them students yes yeah I I would expect them to tap to tap to tap um I also think that if you're in a um I also think that if you're in a um I also think that if you're in a Stranglehold it doesn't make a lot of Stranglehold it doesn't make a lot of Stranglehold it doesn't make a lot of sense and not tapping because you're sense and not tapping because you're sense and not tapping because you're gonna pass out and gonna pass out and gonna pass out and like it's like you said in cheers it's like it's like you said in cheers it's like it's like you said in cheers it's kind of impolite to make the guy take it kind of impolite to make the guy take it kind of impolite to make the guy take it through to its conclusion so um I don't through to its conclusion so um I don't through to its conclusion so um I don't see any heroism and and just letting see any heroism and and just letting see any heroism and and just letting yourself pass out yourself pass out yourself pass out um now things change when you get into a um now things change when you get into a um now things change when you get into a final final final if you're in a final and you're hit on if you're in a final and you're hit on if you're in a final and you're hit on points and points and points and you're willing to you're willing to you're willing to for most people at that point are going

for most people at that point are going for most people at that point are going to be willing to let something break in to be willing to let something break in to be willing to let something break in order to win a gold medal order to win a gold medal order to win a gold medal at that point I leave it up to the at that point I leave it up to the at that point I leave it up to the student student student it's a deeply personal decision I would it's a deeply personal decision I would it's a deeply personal decision I would never say to a student I expect you to never say to a student I expect you to never say to a student I expect you to let your body break in order to to win a let your body break in order to to win a let your body break in order to to win a gold medal gold medal gold medal um I think my students are more than um I think my students are more than um I think my students are more than mature enough to make up their own minds mature enough to make up their own minds mature enough to make up their own minds uh I would be angry if they let their uh I would be angry if they let their uh I would be angry if they let their bodies break in a meaningless fashion in bodies break in a meaningless fashion in bodies break in a meaningless fashion in some random tournament some random tournament some random tournament um or in a first round match where um or in a first round match where um or in a first round match where there's no way you could go on to to the there's no way you could go on to to the there's no way you could go on to to the second third and fourth matches with it second third and fourth matches with it second third and fourth matches with it with a broken limb with a broken limb with a broken limb um but in a final in a gold medal match um but in a final in a gold medal match um but in a final in a gold medal match in 80cc I would leave the decision to in 80cc I would leave the decision to in 80cc I would leave the decision to them a spontaneous decision in the them a spontaneous decision in the them a spontaneous decision in the moment I would be confident that I had moment I would be confident that I had moment I would be confident that I had prepared them to do their very best to prepared them to do their very best to prepared them to do their very best to defend themselves defend themselves defend themselves um but what ultimately they do is their um but what ultimately they do is their um but what ultimately they do is their decision and decision and decision and winning ADCC is for a grip or at least winning ADCC is for a grip or at least winning ADCC is for a grip or at least life-changing you're a world champion life-changing you're a world champion life-changing you're a world champion forever and no one can ever take that forever and no one can ever take that forever and no one can ever take that moment away from you so I would moment away from you so I would moment away from you so I would I would understand if they took a I would understand if they took a I would understand if they took a decision to take damage hopefully it decision to take damage hopefully it decision to take damage hopefully it will never come to that because they do will never come to that because they do will never come to that because they do a good job of Preparing People to get a good job of Preparing People to get a good job of Preparing People to get out of situations as he saw with Gary out of situations as he saw with Gary out of situations as he saw with Gary Turner who was in a dreadful situation Turner who was in a dreadful situation Turner who was in a dreadful situation and got out within five seconds okay so and got out within five seconds okay so and got out within five seconds okay so um uh Gary's been in arm locks that um uh Gary's been in arm locks that um uh Gary's been in arm locks that looked like even I was in the corner looked like even I was in the corner looked like even I was in the corner going like oh my God what is happening going like oh my God what is happening going like oh my God what is happening here and still got out so uh it comes here and still got out so uh it comes here and still got out so uh it comes down to training preparation but if they

down to training preparation but if they down to training preparation but if they did make that decision I would did make that decision I would did make that decision I would understand provided it was a situation understand provided it was a situation understand provided it was a situation that would make their lives better and that would make their lives better and that would make their lives better and they made a calculation it's not an they made a calculation it's not an they made a calculation it's not an emotional thing now sometimes you get emotional thing now sometimes you get emotional thing now sometimes you get emotional you fight a guy you just don't emotional you fight a guy you just don't emotional you fight a guy you just don't like and you just don't want to tap to like and you just don't want to tap to like and you just don't want to tap to them them them um um um then things get a little more then things get a little more then things get a little more interesting I then interesting I then interesting I then again it's a personal decision if you again it's a personal decision if you again it's a personal decision if you hate someone so much that you literally hate someone so much that you literally hate someone so much that you literally can't even conceive of yourself can't even conceive of yourself can't even conceive of yourself submitting to them submitting to them submitting to them probably best you don't get into matches probably best you don't get into matches probably best you don't get into matches with them in the first place with them in the first place with them in the first place um but if it should happen um but if it should happen um but if it should happen um again it comes down to the student I um again it comes down to the student I um again it comes down to the student I teach technique not morals so I let teach technique not morals so I let teach technique not morals so I let people make their own decisions on that people make their own decisions on that people make their own decisions on that my thing is look don't get injured my thing is look don't get injured my thing is look don't get injured because if you're injured you can't because if you're injured you can't because if you're injured you can't train you can't train you can't get train you can't train you can't get train you can't train you can't get better so stay away from injury as much better so stay away from injury as much better so stay away from injury as much as you can as you can as you can so one of the other incredible stories so one of the other incredible stories so one of the other incredible stories here is as you mentioned Nicolas here is as you mentioned Nicolas here is as you mentioned Nicolas murugali one of the murugali one of the murugali one of the incredible ghee athletes and Jiu Jitsu incredible ghee athletes and Jiu Jitsu incredible ghee athletes and Jiu Jitsu world world world not ever having done gnocchi uh training not ever having done gnocchi uh training not ever having done gnocchi uh training or competition and so on in a period of or competition and so on in a period of or competition and so on in a period of a year actually is significantly less a year actually is significantly less a year actually is significantly less than a year Nicholas only came about uh than a year Nicholas only came about uh than a year Nicholas only came about uh six months I believe before 80cc as a six months I believe before 80cc as a six months I believe before 80cc as a phone call came from Gordon he was just phone call came from Gordon he was just phone call came from Gordon he was just like okay Nicholas wants to come down like okay Nicholas wants to come down like okay Nicholas wants to come down and train he wants to move to Austin and train he wants to move to Austin and train he wants to move to Austin yeah so he came down it was it was funny yeah so he came down it was it was funny yeah so he came down it was it was funny I remember the first day Nicholas came I remember the first day Nicholas came I remember the first day Nicholas came in in in Nicholas virgali as you can see he's Nicholas virgali as you can see he's Nicholas virgali as you can see he's like this tall handsome Brazilian guy

like this tall handsome Brazilian guy like this tall handsome Brazilian guy with a great personality and a wonderful with a great personality and a wonderful with a great personality and a wonderful smile yeah also a super nice guy so he smile yeah also a super nice guy so he smile yeah also a super nice guy so he comes in he sits down on the mat and comes in he sits down on the mat and comes in he sits down on the mat and we're all kind of looking at the new guy we're all kind of looking at the new guy we're all kind of looking at the new guy and and and introducing ourselves and I look at him introducing ourselves and I look at him introducing ourselves and I look at him I go buddy what the fuck are you doing I go buddy what the fuck are you doing I go buddy what the fuck are you doing here and he's like what do you mean and here and he's like what do you mean and here and he's like what do you mean and I go like look at you you're like I go like look at you you're like I go like look at you you're like tall and good looking you should be a tall and good looking you should be a tall and good looking you should be a fucking model not a juicy guy look at us fucking model not a juicy guy look at us fucking model not a juicy guy look at us we're all fucked up with horrible bodies we're all fucked up with horrible bodies we're all fucked up with horrible bodies and bad personalities you're like a and bad personalities you're like a and bad personalities you're like a you're like a happy good-looking guy you you're like a happy good-looking guy you you're like a happy good-looking guy you should be surrounded by supermodels what should be surrounded by supermodels what should be surrounded by supermodels what are you doing Jiu-Jitsu for and he just are you doing Jiu-Jitsu for and he just are you doing Jiu-Jitsu for and he just laughed and he started um training with laughed and he started um training with laughed and he started um training with us so um uh he came in now historically us so um uh he came in now historically us so um uh he came in now historically he has been an athlete who always uh he has been an athlete who always uh he has been an athlete who always uh pulled God this in in Jiu Jitsu parlance pulled God this in in Jiu Jitsu parlance pulled God this in in Jiu Jitsu parlance for your viewers for your viewers for your viewers um in in Jiu Jitsu you have the option um in in Jiu Jitsu you have the option um in in Jiu Jitsu you have the option of sitting down to the ground you just of sitting down to the ground you just of sitting down to the ground you just was mostly performed on the on the was mostly performed on the on the was mostly performed on the on the ground you can and many athletes take ground you can and many athletes take ground you can and many athletes take advantage of this ladies come out and advantage of this ladies come out and advantage of this ladies come out and sit to the the ground position and sit to the the ground position and sit to the the ground position and completely forego takedowns completely forego takedowns completely forego takedowns um Nicholas did this his entire career um Nicholas did this his entire career um Nicholas did this his entire career juditsu also has practiced both gee and juditsu also has practiced both gee and juditsu also has practiced both gee and nogi Nicholas was a a Shining Light in nogi Nicholas was a a Shining Light in nogi Nicholas was a a Shining Light in the ghee uh side of Jitsu he's one of the ghee uh side of Jitsu he's one of the ghee uh side of Jitsu he's one of the great champions of his era but he the great champions of his era but he the great champions of his era but he had not only never competed without a had not only never competed without a had not only never competed without a gear he'd never even trained without a gear he'd never even trained without a gear he'd never even trained without a ghee so ghee so ghee so there's significant differences between there's significant differences between there's significant differences between the two there's a lot of overlap but the two there's a lot of overlap but the two there's a lot of overlap but there's also some very significant there's also some very significant there's also some very significant differences differences differences we're talking about a sport where even we're talking about a sport where even we're talking about a sport where even small differences can make a difference small differences can make a difference small differences can make a difference between a guy who gets the gold medal

between a guy who gets the gold medal between a guy who gets the gold medal versus the guy who loses his first match versus the guy who loses his first match versus the guy who loses his first match um it doesn't take a lot so um it doesn't take a lot so um it doesn't take a lot so this was a very very tall order a lot of this was a very very tall order a lot of this was a very very tall order a lot of his attacks involve the ghee from guard his attacks involve the ghee from guard his attacks involve the ghee from guard absolutely he's in a very dangerous way absolutely he's in a very dangerous way absolutely he's in a very dangerous way I mean he doesn't just wear the geek he I mean he doesn't just wear the geek he I mean he doesn't just wear the geek he really uses the key like his 90 of what really uses the key like his 90 of what really uses the key like his 90 of what he's based around is based around a he's based around is based around a he's based around is based around a combination of cross and straight collar combination of cross and straight collar combination of cross and straight collar controls with with the control of the controls with with the control of the controls with with the control of the sleeve cuff and so he really actively sleeve cuff and so he really actively sleeve cuff and so he really actively uses the gate so when it came off his uses the gate so when it came off his uses the gate so when it came off his first training decisions were like oh first training decisions were like oh first training decisions were like oh this look like a fish out of water this look like a fish out of water this look like a fish out of water um in addition he had no experience of um in addition he had no experience of um in addition he had no experience of leg locking so one of the most leg locking so one of the most leg locking so one of the most significant parts of the modern game he significant parts of the modern game he significant parts of the modern game he just had nothing just had nothing just had nothing um wrestling he had literally zero um wrestling he had literally zero um wrestling he had literally zero wrestling which is half of 80cc is is wrestling which is half of 80cc is is wrestling which is half of 80cc is is based around this so ADCC is like six based around this so ADCC is like six based around this so ADCC is like six months away and he has to get ready for months away and he has to get ready for months away and he has to get ready for the ghee World Championships he Nicholas the ghee World Championships he Nicholas the ghee World Championships he Nicholas had won many accolades in GUI Jiu Jitsu had won many accolades in GUI Jiu Jitsu had won many accolades in GUI Jiu Jitsu but he had never won the open weight but he had never won the open weight but he had never won the open weight division of key worlds so he's like the division of key worlds so he's like the division of key worlds so he's like the first day he's there he John I want to first day he's there he John I want to first day he's there he John I want to be the first guy to win be the first guy to win be the first guy to win ghee open weight and 80cc open weight ghee open weight and 80cc open weight ghee open weight and 80cc open weight in the same year yeah in the same year yeah in the same year yeah I'm like I'm like um I'm like um yeah yeah yeah uh now in my mind I'm thinking like yeah uh now in my mind I'm thinking like yeah uh now in my mind I'm thinking like yeah that's never gonna fucking happen you're

that's never gonna fucking happen you're that's never gonna fucking happen you're fucking weirdo do you think there was a fucking weirdo do you think there was a fucking weirdo do you think there was a degree to which he actually believed degree to which he actually believed degree to which he actually believed that that that is a degree is a degree is a degree he thought it was like a certainty so he thought it was like a certainty so he thought it was like a certainty so he's looking at me like yeah I'm gonna he's looking at me like yeah I'm gonna he's looking at me like yeah I'm gonna do this so I'm like you know well do this so I'm like you know well do this so I'm like you know well Nicholas this is uh this is very Nicholas this is uh this is very Nicholas this is uh this is very laudable and and I I approve of your laudable and and I I approve of your laudable and and I I approve of your confidence and confidence and confidence and um but this is a difficult goal you set um but this is a difficult goal you set um but this is a difficult goal you set yourself perhaps maybe like 2024 would yourself perhaps maybe like 2024 would yourself perhaps maybe like 2024 would be a more realistic right he's like no be a more realistic right he's like no be a more realistic right he's like no no I'm gonna do it in all seriousness it no I'm gonna do it in all seriousness it no I'm gonna do it in all seriousness it is incredible that uh Nicholas murugali is incredible that uh Nicholas murugali is incredible that uh Nicholas murugali had the guts that says such a nearly had the guts that says such a nearly had the guts that says such a nearly impossible goal uh so what do you learn impossible goal uh so what do you learn impossible goal uh so what do you learn from this experience of setting a goal from this experience of setting a goal from this experience of setting a goal that most people would say it's just that most people would say it's just that most people would say it's just unachievable and him actually almost unachievable and him actually almost unachievable and him actually almost doing it it's on the surface just doing it it's on the surface just doing it it's on the surface just absolutely crazy like when he's absolutely crazy like when he's absolutely crazy like when he's mentioned the goal to me I was as I said mentioned the goal to me I was as I said mentioned the goal to me I was as I said just looking at him and almost like just looking at him and almost like just looking at him and almost like disbelief I didn't want to show it on my disbelief I didn't want to show it on my disbelief I didn't want to show it on my face face face um and yet he came within inches of um and yet he came within inches of um and yet he came within inches of actually doing it he won his first ever actually doing it he won his first ever actually doing it he won his first ever gold in the open weight with a ghee and gold in the open weight with a ghee and gold in the open weight with a ghee and got to the finals uh and lost a tight got to the finals uh and lost a tight got to the finals uh and lost a tight decision in the finals and to take a decision in the finals and to take a decision in the finals and to take a silver medal he wanted two goals he got silver medal he wanted two goals he got silver medal he wanted two goals he got a gold and a silver and there's a sense a gold and a silver and there's a sense a gold and a silver and there's a sense in which the sheer audaciousness of of in which the sheer audaciousness of of in which the sheer audaciousness of of the goal set the goal set the goal set seemed ludicrous when it first happened seemed ludicrous when it first happened seemed ludicrous when it first happened as they say this is this is insanity and as they say this is this is insanity and as they say this is this is insanity and yet he came at it with a plan he came at yet he came at it with a plan he came at yet he came at it with a plan he came at it with his characteristic passion and it with his characteristic passion and it with his characteristic passion and hard work and came within inches of

hard work and came within inches of hard work and came within inches of doing so and there's a sense in which doing so and there's a sense in which doing so and there's a sense in which you could look at it as oh he had a plan you could look at it as oh he had a plan you could look at it as oh he had a plan and it failed and it failed and it failed and yet of course no one in their right and yet of course no one in their right and yet of course no one in their right mind would look at it that was he set on mind would look at it that was he set on mind would look at it that was he set on audacious goal so high that it seemed audacious goal so high that it seemed audacious goal so high that it seemed impossible and it pulled his entire impossible and it pulled his entire impossible and it pulled his entire performance up to a level where even performance up to a level where even performance up to a level where even failure creates something truly failure creates something truly failure creates something truly memorable do you encourage athletes memorable do you encourage athletes memorable do you encourage athletes or do you uh not get in their way when or do you uh not get in their way when or do you uh not get in their way when they say such a goal maybe even just they say such a goal maybe even just they say such a goal maybe even just forget athletes human nature yeah that's forget athletes human nature yeah that's forget athletes human nature yeah that's a great question a great question a great question um there's a sense in which you know you um there's a sense in which you know you um there's a sense in which you know you don't want to make people delusional don't want to make people delusional don't want to make people delusional that that's sad but I do believe that that that's sad but I do believe that that that's sad but I do believe that if people are sufficiently if people are sufficiently if people are sufficiently embedded in a given project if they're embedded in a given project if they're embedded in a given project if they're committed to it to a certain degree committed to it to a certain degree committed to it to a certain degree then you can skimp on many things in then you can skimp on many things in then you can skimp on many things in life but don't skimp on your goals okay life but don't skimp on your goals okay life but don't skimp on your goals okay because the bigger your goals the bigger because the bigger your goals the bigger because the bigger your goals the bigger your achievements will be and even your achievements will be and even your achievements will be and even failure as we saw in the case of failure as we saw in the case of failure as we saw in the case of Nicholas merigali you I I I almost Nicholas merigali you I I I almost Nicholas merigali you I I I almost frowned use the word failure because if frowned use the word failure because if frowned use the word failure because if this is failure give give me more of it this is failure give give me more of it this is failure give give me more of it you know falling slightly sure yeah you know falling slightly sure yeah you know falling slightly sure yeah falling short of of um of what would falling short of of um of what would falling short of of um of what would otherwise be a perfect year otherwise be a perfect year otherwise be a perfect year um even that um even that um even that still creates such a massive uh uptick still creates such a massive uh uptick still creates such a massive uh uptick in your performance that it's absolutely in your performance that it's absolutely in your performance that it's absolutely the right way to go but there is a the right way to go but there is a the right way to go but there is a danger to this where people aren't danger to this where people aren't danger to this where people aren't committed and simply aren't working from

committed and simply aren't working from committed and simply aren't working from a framework where they can realistically a framework where they can realistically a framework where they can realistically achieve these things then it descends achieve these things then it descends achieve these things then it descends into delusion and that that direction into delusion and that that direction into delusion and that that direction goes towards Madness you can't have that goes towards Madness you can't have that goes towards Madness you can't have that so there has to be so there has to be so there has to be some kind of reality check here where some kind of reality check here where some kind of reality check here where you have to be you have to be you have to be uh uh physically and mentally capable to uh uh physically and mentally capable to uh uh physically and mentally capable to some degree of moving towards these some degree of moving towards these some degree of moving towards these goals you can't just you know uh a goals you can't just you know uh a goals you can't just you know uh a random blue but can't make audacious random blue but can't make audacious random blue but can't make audacious calls like that it's just ludicrous but calls like that it's just ludicrous but calls like that it's just ludicrous but um um um with with that in mind if if you're with with that in mind if if you're with with that in mind if if you're committed and and you there's a sense in committed and and you there's a sense in committed and and you there's a sense in which this is a definite possibility set which this is a definite possibility set which this is a definite possibility set your goals high okay make big demands your goals high okay make big demands your goals high okay make big demands yes there'll be times of frustration yes there'll be times of frustration yes there'll be times of frustration there'll be more failure in your life there'll be more failure in your life there'll be more failure in your life than otherwise but even your failures than otherwise but even your failures than otherwise but even your failures will be something great something will be something great something will be something great something memorable see but in the near term memorable see but in the near term memorable see but in the near term you would be hard-pressed to find any you would be hard-pressed to find any you would be hard-pressed to find any data that justifies that goal because in data that justifies that goal because in data that justifies that goal because in his case he he probably wasn't very good his case he he probably wasn't very good his case he he probably wasn't very good in nogi in the even in the training room in nogi in the even in the training room in nogi in the even in the training room so it's like where do you look for even so it's like where do you look for even so it's like where do you look for even inklings of hope uh we saw it in inklings of hope uh we saw it in inklings of hope uh we saw it in incremental progress with each incremental progress with each incremental progress with each successive competition that he was in successive competition that he was in successive competition that he was in um his first competition uh uh he looked um his first competition uh uh he looked um his first competition uh uh he looked good but not great second competition a good but not great second competition a good but not great second competition a little better third competition took on little better third competition took on little better third competition took on one of the legends of one of the legends of one of the legends of uh American grappling and won decisively uh American grappling and won decisively uh American grappling and won decisively so there was a sense in which it was so there was a sense in which it was so there was a sense in which it was becoming more realistic with each outing

becoming more realistic with each outing becoming more realistic with each outing so now now putting that inspiring so now now putting that inspiring so now now putting that inspiring philosophy aside what was the actual philosophy aside what was the actual philosophy aside what was the actual plan on how to make it happen so the leg plan on how to make it happen so the leg plan on how to make it happen so the leg locks thirsty with the same thing with locks thirsty with the same thing with locks thirsty with the same thing with John Carla first you got to learn how to John Carla first you got to learn how to John Carla first you got to learn how to defend a Lego up so defend a Lego up so defend a Lego up so um um um uh initially just as John Carlos uh initially just as John Carlos uh initially just as John Carlos struggled he struggled uh then he had to struggled he struggled uh then he had to struggled he struggled uh then he had to learn learn learn not just takedowns but just how to set not just takedowns but just how to set not just takedowns but just how to set up a teacher I had to learn Basics like up a teacher I had to learn Basics like up a teacher I had to learn Basics like stance and motion and how to fight with stance and motion and how to fight with stance and motion and how to fight with the hands etc etc so he had to learn the hands etc etc so he had to learn the hands etc etc so he had to learn from the ground up and from the ground up and from the ground up and um uh um uh um uh then he had to improve he always had a then he had to improve he always had a then he had to improve he always had a very good triangle always said very good very good triangle always said very good very good triangle always said very good arm bar those were his two strengths arm bar those were his two strengths arm bar those were his two strengths coming into the nogi training and those coming into the nogi training and those coming into the nogi training and those translate pretty well between ghee and translate pretty well between ghee and translate pretty well between ghee and nogi nogi nogi um but he had no guillotine he he had no um but he had no guillotine he he had no um but he had no guillotine he he had no uh strangles from the back where he has uh strangles from the back where he has uh strangles from the back where he has great collar strangles on the back but great collar strangles on the back but great collar strangles on the back but he really really struggled with he really really struggled with he really really struggled with finishing people from the back so finishing people from the back so finishing people from the back so um he's learning all this and then he's um he's learning all this and then he's um he's learning all this and then he's like well now I've got to get ready for like well now I've got to get ready for like well now I've got to get ready for the ghee so we had to switch his the ghee so we had to switch his the ghee so we had to switch his training to ghee training and uh that training to ghee training and uh that training to ghee training and uh that took out a couple of months then he got took out a couple of months then he got took out a couple of months then he got he went back briefly to Brazil and got a he went back briefly to Brazil and got a he went back briefly to Brazil and got a terrible rib injury right before the terrible rib injury right before the terrible rib injury right before the world championships and came back like world championships and came back like world championships and came back like more or less unable to move so the World more or less unable to move so the World more or less unable to move so the World Championships is a week away and he he's Championships is a week away and he he's Championships is a week away and he he's like John I can't move like John I can't move like John I can't move yeah so I'm like what are you gonna do yeah so I'm like what are you gonna do yeah so I'm like what are you gonna do so I'm going to compete so I'm going to compete so I'm going to compete so I'm like are you sure so we fly to so I'm like are you sure so we fly to so I'm like are you sure so we fly to California he goes out competes his California he goes out competes his California he goes out competes his first opponent is literally the biggest

first opponent is literally the biggest first opponent is literally the biggest man who competes in jiu jitsu man who competes in jiu jitsu man who competes in jiu jitsu this is this man is almost like 400 this is this man is almost like 400 this is this man is almost like 400 pounds yeah Nicholas has got completely pounds yeah Nicholas has got completely pounds yeah Nicholas has got completely broken ribs we're taping up his ribs broken ribs we're taping up his ribs broken ribs we're taping up his ribs backstage before he goes out to compete backstage before he goes out to compete backstage before he goes out to compete he beats Everyone by submission he beats Everyone by submission he beats Everyone by submission and wins for the first time the open and wins for the first time the open and wins for the first time the open weight weight weight um uh a title he had never won before um uh a title he had never won before um uh a title he had never won before he steps off the mat looks at me goes he steps off the mat looks at me goes he steps off the mat looks at me goes well I got the first of them he wanted well I got the first of them he wanted well I got the first of them he wanted ghee open weight and now 80cc and now we ghee open weight and now 80cc and now we ghee open weight and now 80cc and now we can barely move he's still gone through can barely move he's still gone through can barely move he's still gone through two days of brutal competition and his two days of brutal competition and his two days of brutal competition and his ribs are completely screwed up ribs are completely screwed up ribs are completely screwed up it takes a week off to try and get his it takes a week off to try and get his it takes a week off to try and get his ribs somewhere back in order and then ribs somewhere back in order and then ribs somewhere back in order and then begins late training building up to 80cc begins late training building up to 80cc begins late training building up to 80cc we start putting him in nogi competition we start putting him in nogi competition we start putting him in nogi competition he he he uh he fights two opponents of uh uh he fights two opponents of uh uh he fights two opponents of uh good quality but not like World beating good quality but not like World beating good quality but not like World beating quality and then quality and then quality and then um as this game starts improving we're um as this game starts improving we're um as this game starts improving we're getting closer and closer he's starting getting closer and closer he's starting getting closer and closer he's starting to develop a sense where he can wrestle to develop a sense where he can wrestle to develop a sense where he can wrestle confidently on his feet is no longer easy to lay log at all and is no longer easy to lay log at all and is starting to leg lock people is starting to leg lock people is starting to leg lock people and is starting to get his very strong and is starting to get his very strong and is starting to get his very strong guard passing uh which was based mostly guard passing uh which was based mostly guard passing uh which was based mostly around pant grips in the ghee to adapt around pant grips in the ghee to adapt around pant grips in the ghee to adapt to to to leg no gear grips leg no gear grips leg no gear grips um in addition he's starting to develop um in addition he's starting to develop um in addition he's starting to develop strong chest to chest positioning which strong chest to chest positioning which strong chest to chest positioning which was never really part of his game a was never really part of his game a was never really part of his game a pressure top game pressure top game pressure top game and um uh so things are looking good

and um uh so things are looking good and um uh so things are looking good he's matched against Rafael Lovato one he's matched against Rafael Lovato one he's matched against Rafael Lovato one of the great competitors of of ADCC and of the great competitors of of ADCC and of the great competitors of of ADCC and wins a convincing Victory featuring a wins a convincing Victory featuring a wins a convincing Victory featuring a lot of takedowns and a lot of pressure lot of takedowns and a lot of pressure lot of takedowns and a lot of pressure passing and people were just absolutely passing and people were just absolutely passing and people were just absolutely shocked I remember the staff of flow shocked I remember the staff of flow shocked I remember the staff of flow grappling coming and going like grappling coming and going like grappling coming and going like who is this guy he's like he's literally who is this guy he's like he's literally who is this guy he's like he's literally transformed he's like a different person transformed he's like a different person transformed he's like a different person so he goes into the World Championships so he goes into the World Championships so he goes into the World Championships because in in his weight division he was because in in his weight division he was because in in his weight division he was matched uh with a fellow Brazilian in matched uh with a fellow Brazilian in matched uh with a fellow Brazilian in the first match and uh they had an the first match and uh they had an the first match and uh they had an absolute Bond burning battle where at absolute Bond burning battle where at absolute Bond burning battle where at one point necklace was picked up and one point necklace was picked up and one point necklace was picked up and slammed and then ended up winning by slammed and then ended up winning by slammed and then ended up winning by Kimura beautiful Kimura Kimura beautiful Kimura Kimura beautiful Kimura um um um then he took on the man who ultimately then he took on the man who ultimately then he took on the man who ultimately wins 80cc open weight Division and wins 80cc open weight Division and wins 80cc open weight Division and defeats him defeats him defeats him uh matches yeah tough tough match now uh matches yeah tough tough match now uh matches yeah tough tough match now Yuri samoy at that stage was two-time Yuri samoy at that stage was two-time Yuri samoy at that stage was two-time gold medalist in 80cc Nicholas wins a gold medalist in 80cc Nicholas wins a gold medalist in 80cc Nicholas wins a very very close match against him and very very close match against him and very very close match against him and then fights Craig Jones who's one of the then fights Craig Jones who's one of the then fights Craig Jones who's one of the best leg Lockers in in the in the world best leg Lockers in in the in the world best leg Lockers in in the in the world so I think most people are expecting so I think most people are expecting so I think most people are expecting Nicholas to get leglocked very easily by Nicholas to get leglocked very easily by Nicholas to get leglocked very easily by Craig Craig Craig um Nicholas showed the degree to which um Nicholas showed the degree to which um Nicholas showed the degree to which he had improved his leg lock defense in he had improved his leg lock defense in he had improved his leg lock defense in a six-month period Craig never really a six-month period Craig never really a six-month period Craig never really got close to the legs and ended up got close to the legs and ended up got close to the legs and ended up becoming a takedown battle could have becoming a takedown battle could have becoming a takedown battle could have gone either way uh Craig I thought did a gone either way uh Craig I thought did a gone either way uh Craig I thought did a really good job of of pacing himself he really good job of of pacing himself he really good job of of pacing himself he both athletes were very tired but uh uh both athletes were very tired but uh uh both athletes were very tired but uh uh Nicholas was ahead on points and then

Nicholas was ahead on points and then Nicholas was ahead on points and then Craig hit one last takedown which set Craig hit one last takedown which set Craig hit one last takedown which set Nicholas down to a hip didn't score but Nicholas down to a hip didn't score but Nicholas down to a hip didn't score but it was the most aggressive takedown of it was the most aggressive takedown of it was the most aggressive takedown of that last period And so Nicholas got the that last period And so Nicholas got the that last period And so Nicholas got the nod and won a narrow victory yeah Craig nod and won a narrow victory yeah Craig nod and won a narrow victory yeah Craig commented uh afterwards he said that I I commented uh afterwards he said that I I commented uh afterwards he said that I I really wanted the submission and he said really wanted the submission and he said really wanted the submission and he said Nicholas seemed to have really wanted Nicholas seemed to have really wanted Nicholas seemed to have really wanted the submission but it ended up being a the submission but it ended up being a the submission but it ended up being a grueling match he took everything yeah grueling match he took everything yeah grueling match he took everything yeah like uh exhaustion wise everything he like uh exhaustion wise everything he like uh exhaustion wise everything he had it was it was a tough tough match had it was it was a tough tough match had it was it was a tough tough match and um they were very well matched once and um they were very well matched once and um they were very well matched once they figured out they couldn't submit they figured out they couldn't submit they figured out they couldn't submit each other it came down to their their each other it came down to their their each other it came down to their their wrestling ability neither one of them wrestling ability neither one of them wrestling ability neither one of them was a wrestling specialist but they both was a wrestling specialist but they both was a wrestling specialist but they both competent and and uh and wrestling and competent and and uh and wrestling and competent and and uh and wrestling and um it became physically very very tough um it became physically very very tough um it became physically very very tough um then Nicholas went on to win the um then Nicholas went on to win the um then Nicholas went on to win the bronze medal in his weight division so bronze medal in his weight division so bronze medal in his weight division so the next day when we get called for the the next day when we get called for the the next day when we get called for the open weight obviously John Carter won a open weight obviously John Carter won a open weight obviously John Carter won a gold medal uh the gold medal uh the gold medal uh the um everyone agreed that he should go um everyone agreed that he should go um everyone agreed that he should go into open weight and the John Carlo into open weight and the John Carlo into open weight and the John Carlo agree agree agree of course he was I mean like because he of course he was I mean like because he of course he was I mean like because he didn't have an easy format you don't didn't have an easy format you don't didn't have an easy format you don't order people into it you ask no no order people into it you ask no no order people into it you ask no no I guess the question I'm asking is how I guess the question I'm asking is how I guess the question I'm asking is how do you find the strength to then go on do you find the strength to then go on do you find the strength to then go on to Absolute after to Absolute after to Absolute after because you've done it because you've done it because you've done it 14-week training camp where every day 14-week training camp where every day 14-week training camp where every day was just as intense as any 80cc day so was just as intense as any 80cc day so was just as intense as any 80cc day so you're used to it at that point but he you're used to it at that point but he you're used to it at that point but he had very very long tough matches but uh

had very very long tough matches but uh had very very long tough matches but uh he's used to it he's a good athlete he's used to it he's a good athlete he's used to it he's a good athlete um so Nicholas and John Carlo went out um so Nicholas and John Carlo went out um so Nicholas and John Carlo went out and um John Carlo had a spectacular and um John Carlo had a spectacular and um John Carlo had a spectacular submission Victory against his first submission Victory against his first submission Victory against his first opponent opponent opponent um Nicholas had some uh some firework um Nicholas had some uh some firework um Nicholas had some uh some firework matches and one of the toughest matches and one of the toughest matches and one of the toughest opponents he came up against was the opponents he came up against was the opponents he came up against was the brilliant Tai ruatolo they had an brilliant Tai ruatolo they had an brilliant Tai ruatolo they had an absolute Barn burn it was a very very absolute Barn burn it was a very very absolute Barn burn it was a very very close match and Ty had had an incredible close match and Ty had had an incredible close match and Ty had had an incredible uh first two matches he'd beaten Pedro uh first two matches he'd beaten Pedro uh first two matches he'd beaten Pedro Mourinho by submission and he'd beaten Mourinho by submission and he'd beaten Mourinho by submission and he'd beaten the great Felipe Pena in a very narrow the great Felipe Pena in a very narrow the great Felipe Pena in a very narrow magic very very tight Felipe lost on a magic very very tight Felipe lost on a magic very very tight Felipe lost on a guard pole guard pole guard pole um but Felipe is considerably bigger and um but Felipe is considerably bigger and um but Felipe is considerably bigger and stronger than Thai so for Thai to to win stronger than Thai so for Thai to to win stronger than Thai so for Thai to to win that match even by God Paul so deeply that match even by God Paul so deeply that match even by God Paul so deeply impressive it was a it was an impressive it was a it was an impressive it was a it was an action-packed match that went back and action-packed match that went back and action-packed match that went back and forth very very impressed on a small forth very very impressed on a small forth very very impressed on a small tangent yeah both of our tall Brothers tangent yeah both of our tall Brothers tangent yeah both of our tall Brothers had an incredible performance uh what do had an incredible performance uh what do had an incredible performance uh what do you think makes them so good if you were you think makes them so good if you were you think makes them so good if you were to analyze their game sort of outside if to analyze their game sort of outside if to analyze their game sort of outside if you enjoy this specifically absolutely you enjoy this specifically absolutely you enjoy this specifically absolutely there's there's a range of factors one there's there's a range of factors one there's there's a range of factors one is that they they started the sport very is that they they started the sport very is that they they started the sport very very young active probably the first very young active probably the first very young active probably the first example in American grappling of example in American grappling of example in American grappling of American students who started at age American students who started at age American students who started at age four or five most people when I began four or five most people when I began four or five most people when I began jiu jitsu jiu jitsu jiu jitsu started Jujitsu as adults I was 28 years started Jujitsu as adults I was 28 years started Jujitsu as adults I was 28 years old when I've had my first lesson as a

old when I've had my first lesson as a old when I've had my first lesson as a white belt so white belt so white belt so in time people got a little younger for in time people got a little younger for in time people got a little younger for example Nikki Ryan started when I think example Nikki Ryan started when I think example Nikki Ryan started when I think when he was 12 but when he was 12 but when he was 12 but the rule told us started when they were the rule told us started when they were the rule told us started when they were literally children they had excellent literally children they had excellent literally children they had excellent coaching going all the way up through coaching going all the way up through coaching going all the way up through into their teenage years into their teenage years into their teenage years so they had the advantage of of starting so they had the advantage of of starting so they had the advantage of of starting the way so many successful athletes do the way so many successful athletes do the way so many successful athletes do as as children and going up through uh as as children and going up through uh as as children and going up through uh adulthood and with strong coaching all adulthood and with strong coaching all adulthood and with strong coaching all along the way excellent parental support along the way excellent parental support along the way excellent parental support so they had like a great history where so they had like a great history where so they had like a great history where they their youth didn't show off just they their youth didn't show off just they their youth didn't show off just how long they'd been in the sport right how long they'd been in the sport right how long they'd been in the sport right so you're dealing with a kid who's 19 so you're dealing with a kid who's 19 so you're dealing with a kid who's 19 years old but he's been grappling for 15 years old but he's been grappling for 15 years old but he's been grappling for 15 years yeah and uh what counts is not years yeah and uh what counts is not years yeah and uh what counts is not your age but your met age yeah and your age but your met age yeah and your age but your met age yeah and quality yeah now they were very young in quality yeah now they were very young in quality yeah now they were very young in years but they were very old and mad age years but they were very old and mad age years but they were very old and mad age and um but there's a lot of athletes and um but there's a lot of athletes and um but there's a lot of athletes that have now as you've correctly said that have now as you've correctly said that have now as you've correctly said have spent from a very early age on the have spent from a very early age on the have spent from a very early age on the mat but still these particular ones mat but still these particular ones mat but still these particular ones stand out it's interesting yeah no stand out it's interesting yeah no stand out it's interesting yeah no there's a lot more to it than that this there's a lot more to it than that this there's a lot more to it than that this is just the the first set in the scene is just the the first set in the scene is just the the first set in the scene but what really makes them stand out but what really makes them stand out but what really makes them stand out is that they've mastered this idea of is that they've mastered this idea of is that they've mastered this idea of covering up and improving initial covering up and improving initial covering up and improving initial weaknesses while building upon strengths

weaknesses while building upon strengths weaknesses while building upon strengths when the rotolers first encountered my when the rotolers first encountered my when the rotolers first encountered my students they were relatively easy to students they were relatively easy to students they were relatively easy to lay lock because none of their training lay lock because none of their training lay lock because none of their training experience had prepared them for that experience had prepared them for that experience had prepared them for that um um um now they were they were young at that now they were they were young at that now they were they were young at that time I believe like 16 or 17 and uh it time I believe like 16 or 17 and uh it time I believe like 16 or 17 and uh it was an obvious problem for them they was an obvious problem for them they was an obvious problem for them they both got peel hooked both got peel hooked both got peel hooked um by male youngsters also um by male youngsters also um by male youngsters also um Nikki Ryan and Ethan crownston and um um Nikki Ryan and Ethan crownston and um um Nikki Ryan and Ethan crownston and um you could clearly see that they you could clearly see that they you could clearly see that they identified identified identified their current weakness and made their current weakness and made their current weakness and made prodigious steps to improve upon it to a prodigious steps to improve upon it to a prodigious steps to improve upon it to a point now where they're winning point now where they're winning point now where they're winning championships with their own leg locks championships with their own leg locks championships with their own leg locks like I love the fact that even as like I love the fact that even as like I love the fact that even as teenagers they had the maturity to say teenagers they had the maturity to say teenagers they had the maturity to say okay here's an obvious weakness let's okay here's an obvious weakness let's okay here's an obvious weakness let's get around this let's turn it into a get around this let's turn it into a get around this let's turn it into a strength strength strength um I love the way they did that and um I love the way they did that and um I love the way they did that and focusing on the weakness and let that focusing on the weakness and let that focusing on the weakness and let that guide you to the thing you're working on guide you to the thing you're working on guide you to the thing you're working on but they also that they they covered up but they also that they they covered up but they also that they they covered up their weaknesses but they also their weaknesses but they also their weaknesses but they also understood what are our actual strengths understood what are our actual strengths understood what are our actual strengths now physically both of the brothers have now physically both of the brothers have now physically both of the brothers have extraordinary reach for their height extraordinary reach for their height extraordinary reach for their height they both have extraordinarily long arms they both have extraordinarily long arms they both have extraordinarily long arms for their height for their height for their height that means that variations of karakatama that means that variations of karakatama that means that variations of karakatama in particular dasas anacondas are going in particular dasas anacondas are going in particular dasas anacondas are going to be much easier for them in their way to be much easier for them in their way to be much easier for them in their way division than for most people these are division than for most people these are division than for most people these are all chokes yes strangleholds so they

all chokes yes strangleholds so they all chokes yes strangleholds so they specialize in those they adapted a game specialize in those they adapted a game specialize in those they adapted a game based around movement based around movement based around movement which forces opponents not with physical which forces opponents not with physical which forces opponents not with physical pressure but with tactical pressure into pressure but with tactical pressure into pressure but with tactical pressure into positions which expose them to those positions which expose them to those positions which expose them to those specialized strangle holes that they use specialized strangle holes that they use specialized strangle holes that they use um um um traditionally when when we looked at the traditionally when when we looked at the traditionally when when we looked at the ruatologist when they were young we saw ruatologist when they were young we saw ruatologist when they were young we saw that there was a disparity between their that there was a disparity between their that there was a disparity between their top game and their bottom game they were top game and their bottom game they were top game and their bottom game they were generally much better in top position generally much better in top position generally much better in top position than they were in bottom possession than they were in bottom possession than they were in bottom possession again they saw that as a as a potential again they saw that as a as a potential again they saw that as a as a potential weakness and they turned it around using weakness and they turned it around using weakness and they turned it around using again their unique long limbs relative again their unique long limbs relative again their unique long limbs relative to their height and they make use of a to their height and they make use of a to their height and they make use of a buggy strangle I'm not sure why it's buggy strangle I'm not sure why it's buggy strangle I'm not sure why it's referred to as a buggy strangle but it's referred to as a buggy strangle but it's referred to as a buggy strangle but it's in it basically it's a variation of in it basically it's a variation of in it basically it's a variation of karagatama using the legs done from karagatama using the legs done from karagatama using the legs done from disadvantageous positions on bottom and disadvantageous positions on bottom and disadvantageous positions on bottom and they both made brilliant use of that to they both made brilliant use of that to they both made brilliant use of that to not so much as a strangle weapon not so much as a strangle weapon not so much as a strangle weapon occasionally they'll strangle some of it occasionally they'll strangle some of it occasionally they'll strangle some of it but they mostly use it to create but they mostly use it to create but they mostly use it to create pressure to make people back off and as pressure to make people back off and as pressure to make people back off and as a result they're able to uh they a result they're able to uh they a result they're able to uh they overcame the disparity between their top overcame the disparity between their top overcame the disparity between their top game and their bottom game now their game and their bottom game now their game and their bottom game now their bottom game is part of their offense and bottom game is part of their offense and bottom game is part of their offense and they're very very successful from there they're very very successful from there they're very very successful from there and so again you hit that that really and so again you hit that that really and so again you hit that that really impressive sense in which they impressive sense in which they impressive sense in which they identified their weaknesses and leg identified their weaknesses and leg identified their weaknesses and leg locks and bottom position turned it locks and bottom position turned it locks and bottom position turned it around and made it into strengths and at around and made it into strengths and at around and made it into strengths and at the same time they identified okay what the same time they identified okay what the same time they identified okay what what are our physical gifts and how can what are our physical gifts and how can what are our physical gifts and how can we maximize their use and they created a

we maximize their use and they created a we maximize their use and they created a program of initiating movement that program of initiating movement that program of initiating movement that created tactical rather than physical created tactical rather than physical created tactical rather than physical pressure to set up their best strangle pressure to set up their best strangle pressure to set up their best strangle holds I'd deeply admire what they've holds I'd deeply admire what they've holds I'd deeply admire what they've done there's two young men have a huge done there's two young men have a huge done there's two young men have a huge future ahead of them and so here uh one future ahead of them and so here uh one future ahead of them and so here uh one of the brothers faces in the in the of the brothers faces in the in the of the brothers faces in the in the absolute Nicholas murugali and bear wine absolute Nicholas murugali and bear wine absolute Nicholas murugali and bear wine Tai has just fought two very tough Tai has just fought two very tough Tai has just fought two very tough matches against guys bigger and stronger matches against guys bigger and stronger matches against guys bigger and stronger than himself so he's coming into a third than himself so he's coming into a third than himself so he's coming into a third match against a third guy who's also match against a third guy who's also match against a third guy who's also bigger than he is so uh hats off to tie bigger than he is so uh hats off to tie bigger than he is so uh hats off to tie fighting open weight against three fighting open weight against three fighting open weight against three monsters in a row monsters in a row monsters in a row um now Tai and Kate one of their best um now Tai and Kate one of their best um now Tai and Kate one of their best attributes is they are two of the best attributes is they are two of the best attributes is they are two of the best scramblers in the sport of Jiu Jitsu so scramblers in the sport of Jiu Jitsu so scramblers in the sport of Jiu Jitsu so whenever you go to shoot on the legs whenever you go to shoot on the legs whenever you go to shoot on the legs with them there's a danger of running with them there's a danger of running with them there's a danger of running straight into a dark Stranglehold straight into a dark Stranglehold straight into a dark Stranglehold they're very competent at they're very competent at they're very competent at counter-attacking single legs with dark counter-attacking single legs with dark counter-attacking single legs with dark strangles strangles strangles um it's also very hard to control them um it's also very hard to control them um it's also very hard to control them after a takedown they do a very good job after a takedown they do a very good job after a takedown they do a very good job of springing back up to the feet so I of springing back up to the feet so I of springing back up to the feet so I told Nicholas to favor upper body Judo told Nicholas to favor upper body Judo told Nicholas to favor upper body Judo bass takedowns rather than wrestling bass takedowns rather than wrestling bass takedowns rather than wrestling takedowns and you see here a fine takedowns and you see here a fine takedowns and you see here a fine example of Nicholas's Gathering skill in example of Nicholas's Gathering skill in example of Nicholas's Gathering skill in uchimata one of the great throws of of uchimata one of the great throws of of uchimata one of the great throws of of Judo set up with a Judo set up with a Judo set up with a there's a bit of a foot and a foot sweep like uh good like uh good the nice thing is he starts off with the nice thing is he starts off with the nice thing is he starts off with what it looks like it says actually a what it looks like it says actually a what it looks like it says actually a two-directional ultramata he threatens two-directional ultramata he threatens two-directional ultramata he threatens ochigari to the back that's a throw that

ochigari to the back that's a throw that ochigari to the back that's a throw that throws your opponent to the back his throws your opponent to the back his throws your opponent to the back his opponent pushes into him that he changes opponent pushes into him that he changes opponent pushes into him that he changes Direction with a support foot and takes Direction with a support foot and takes Direction with a support foot and takes him over with uchimata now as we said him over with uchimata now as we said him over with uchimata now as we said earlier the great advantage of Judo over earlier the great advantage of Judo over earlier the great advantage of Judo over wrestling is that because this upper wrestling is that because this upper wrestling is that because this upper body connection during the throw and body connection during the throw and body connection during the throw and after the throw it's much harder for an after the throw it's much harder for an after the throw it's much harder for an opponent to scramble away from you and opponent to scramble away from you and opponent to scramble away from you and even Tai Rotolo is one of the best even Tai Rotolo is one of the best even Tai Rotolo is one of the best scramblers in the sport scramblers in the sport scramblers in the sport it has to stop scrambling here and just it has to stop scrambling here and just it has to stop scrambling here and just uh go back to guard position and enable uh go back to guard position and enable uh go back to guard position and enable Nicholas to to hold top position I mean Nicholas to to hold top position I mean Nicholas to to hold top position I mean some of it is also the surprise there is some of it is also the surprise there is some of it is also the surprise there is something less understandable about Judo something less understandable about Judo something less understandable about Judo techniques because there's less data techniques because there's less data techniques because there's less data it feels like the root holders also have it feels like the root holders also have it feels like the root holders also have a good range I think they're very a good range I think they're very a good range I think they're very familiar with it familiar with it familiar with it how often do you think are they in the how often do you think are they in the how often do you think are they in the receiving end of it that's a good point receiving end of it that's a good point receiving end of it that's a good point yeah so I just feel like they have more yeah so I just feel like they have more yeah so I just feel like they have more data in terms of Defending data in terms of Defending data in terms of Defending um would I mean of course there is um would I mean of course there is um would I mean of course there is fundamentals to the gemada that make it fundamentals to the gemada that make it fundamentals to the gemada that make it difficult to scramble around but difficult to scramble around but difficult to scramble around but this is a good example of someone who this is a good example of someone who this is a good example of someone who literally didn't have a single takedown literally didn't have a single takedown literally didn't have a single takedown six months ago now he's throwing one of six months ago now he's throwing one of six months ago now he's throwing one of the toughest guys in the sport with one the toughest guys in the sport with one the toughest guys in the sport with one of the more difficult throws of Judah of the more difficult throws of Judah of the more difficult throws of Judah now you're a judo man yeah you'll back now you're a judo man yeah you'll back now you're a judo man yeah you'll back me up it's not an easy throw to learn it me up it's not an easy throw to learn it me up it's not an easy throw to learn it takes some time you're hopping on one takes some time you're hopping on one takes some time you're hopping on one foot with both of your body weight foot with both of your body weight foot with both of your body weight Supply Supply Supply yeah it's a lot of the really uh it's yeah it's a lot of the really uh it's yeah it's a lot of the really uh it's one of the more difficult throws let go one of the more difficult throws let go one of the more difficult throws let go of your understanding of uh takedowns of of your understanding of uh takedowns of of your understanding of uh takedowns of maybe wrestling style takedowns or more maybe wrestling style takedowns or more maybe wrestling style takedowns or more intuitive kind of takedowns to

intuitive kind of takedowns to intuitive kind of takedowns to understand it there's many throws like understand it there's many throws like understand it there's many throws like this which agaris like this uh sort of this which agaris like this uh sort of this which agaris like this uh sort of guy is like this shimata is like this guy is like this shimata is like this guy is like this shimata is like this it's weird what I'm on one foot I'm it's weird what I'm on one foot I'm it's weird what I'm on one foot I'm hopping around this makes no sense yeah hopping around this makes no sense yeah hopping around this makes no sense yeah but it works foot sweeps are also weird but it works foot sweeps are also weird but it works foot sweeps are also weird in that way they're a little bit more in that way they're a little bit more in that way they're a little bit more intuitive but like you get very good at intuitive but like you get very good at intuitive but like you get very good at foot sweeps you have to understand foot sweeps you have to understand foot sweeps you have to understand timing weight distribution there it's uh timing weight distribution there it's uh timing weight distribution there it's uh it's a dynamic thing that's weird you it's a dynamic thing that's weird you it's a dynamic thing that's weird you have to I always uh laugh and I talk to have to I always uh laugh and I talk to have to I always uh laugh and I talk to Nicholas say you know Nicholas say you know Nicholas say you know I try to teach them a single leg which I try to teach them a single leg which I try to teach them a single leg which is traditionally most you know like a is traditionally most you know like a is traditionally most you know like a high single leg is one of the easier high single leg is one of the easier high single leg is one of the easier takedowns to perform in terms of takedowns to perform in terms of takedowns to perform in terms of mechanical difficulty and uh Nicholas mechanical difficulty and uh Nicholas mechanical difficulty and uh Nicholas always struggles with it and then I always struggles with it and then I always struggles with it and then I teach him one of the more difficult teach him one of the more difficult teach him one of the more difficult takedownsimata and he takedownsimata and he takedownsimata and he does it flawlessly you never know does it flawlessly you never know does it flawlessly you never know certain things get attached I mean you certain things get attached I mean you certain things get attached I mean you see this in Judo it's kind of see this in Judo it's kind of see this in Judo it's kind of interesting to see um interesting to see um interesting to see um there's classes of takedowns and certain there's classes of takedowns and certain there's classes of takedowns and certain people just gravitate people just gravitate people just gravitate in their philosophical intuitive in their philosophical intuitive in their philosophical intuitive understanding of body mechanics or understanding of body mechanics or understanding of body mechanics or something like this it's like say Nagi something like this it's like say Nagi something like this it's like say Nagi versus ichimada you very clearly see versus ichimada you very clearly see versus ichimada you very clearly see there's some people that understand they there's some people that understand they there's some people that understand they like to have both their feet planted on like to have both their feet planted on like to have both their feet planted on the ground the ground the ground and there's some people that are okay and there's some people that are okay and there's some people that are okay with this one foot on the ground and the with this one foot on the ground and the with this one foot on the ground and the other one is doing something else and I other one is doing something else and I other one is doing something else and I think that I don't know what that think that I don't know what that think that I don't know what that what is that I don't know it's what what is that I don't know it's what what is that I don't know it's what makes you fall in love with one field makes you fall in love with one field makes you fall in love with one field versus another versus another versus another so what can you speak to that that you

so what can you speak to that that you so what can you speak to that that you know you've released a new instructional know you've released a new instructional know you've released a new instructional on takedowns and standing skills for jiu on takedowns and standing skills for jiu on takedowns and standing skills for jiu jitsu jitsu jitsu just at a high level just at a high level just at a high level using Nicholas as an example what are using Nicholas as an example what are using Nicholas as an example what are some key ideas about takedowns some key ideas about takedowns some key ideas about takedowns okay first whenever people talk about okay first whenever people talk about okay first whenever people talk about standing position as you say they always standing position as you say they always standing position as you say they always say oh I need to learn some takedowns say oh I need to learn some takedowns say oh I need to learn some takedowns but but but it's never a question of just learning it's never a question of just learning it's never a question of just learning the takedowns it's learning the the takedowns it's learning the the takedowns it's learning the prerequisites to the takedowns the prerequisites to the takedowns the prerequisites to the takedowns the takedowns are more or less like an takedowns are more or less like an takedowns are more or less like an afterthought afterthought afterthought um um um you've got to begin with stance you've got to begin with stance you've got to begin with stance motion the ability to engage in grip and motion the ability to engage in grip and motion the ability to engage in grip and contact get your opponent out of balance contact get your opponent out of balance contact get your opponent out of balance and then comes the takedowns and then comes the takedowns and then comes the takedowns um the takedowns in Jiu-Jitsu are mostly um the takedowns in Jiu-Jitsu are mostly um the takedowns in Jiu-Jitsu are mostly divided into a lower body takedowns divided into a lower body takedowns divided into a lower body takedowns tackles to the legs single legs Double tackles to the legs single legs Double tackles to the legs single legs Double legs to a lesser degree high quality and then upper body takedowns which are and then upper body takedowns which are mostly Judo derived mostly Judo derived mostly Judo derived um Nicholas had to start more or less at Nicholas had to start more or less at the ground I didn't even know how to the ground I didn't even know how to the ground I didn't even know how to come out and make groups or hold a come out and make groups or hold a come out and make groups or hold a stance so he had to learn every element stance so he had to learn every element stance so he had to learn every element of it and the fact he was able to do so of it and the fact he was able to do so of it and the fact he was able to do so in six months is just incredible can you in six months is just incredible can you in six months is just incredible can you comment on the comment on the comment on the uh the upward posture that seems to work uh the upward posture that seems to work uh the upward posture that seems to work for you just the matches in Jiu Jitsu for you just the matches in Jiu Jitsu for you just the matches in Jiu Jitsu are much longer than the magazine are much longer than the magazine are much longer than the magazine wrestling wrestling wrestling um in addition there are many kinds of um in addition there are many kinds of um in addition there are many kinds of submission threat which are not there in

submission threat which are not there in submission threat which are not there in wrestling so The Stance has to be wrestling so The Stance has to be wrestling so The Stance has to be significantly changed in wrestling they significantly changed in wrestling they significantly changed in wrestling they favor generally a very low Crouch favor generally a very low Crouch favor generally a very low Crouch because the vast majority of attacks are because the vast majority of attacks are because the vast majority of attacks are tackles to the legs so anyone who stands tackles to the legs so anyone who stands tackles to the legs so anyone who stands upright and wrestling tends to get upright and wrestling tends to get upright and wrestling tends to get heavily punished by being taken down heavily punished by being taken down heavily punished by being taken down immediately with a leg tackle immediately with a leg tackle immediately with a leg tackle um in Jiu Jitsu the matches are so much um in Jiu Jitsu the matches are so much um in Jiu Jitsu the matches are so much longer it would be difficult in a longer it would be difficult in a longer it would be difficult in a 40-minute match for example to maintain 40-minute match for example to maintain 40-minute match for example to maintain a bent over crowd should be exhausted a bent over crowd should be exhausted a bent over crowd should be exhausted there's also problems associated with there's also problems associated with there's also problems associated with submission holes there are many forms of submission holes there are many forms of submission holes there are many forms of submission hold Guillotines tasks Etc submission hold Guillotines tasks Etc submission hold Guillotines tasks Etc where if your head comes down too low where if your head comes down too low where if your head comes down too low you become a little vulnerable to this you become a little vulnerable to this you become a little vulnerable to this and so the the stances in uh Jiu Jitsu and so the the stances in uh Jiu Jitsu and so the the stances in uh Jiu Jitsu competition tend to be much more upright competition tend to be much more upright competition tend to be much more upright more like Judo and Greco so right off more like Judo and Greco so right off more like Judo and Greco so right off the bat you see The Stance is different the bat you see The Stance is different the bat you see The Stance is different the motion tends to be much slower and the motion tends to be much slower and the motion tends to be much slower and more evenly paced because you've got to more evenly paced because you've got to more evenly paced because you've got to be able to do this for long periods of be able to do this for long periods of be able to do this for long periods of time so the the number of fakes per time so the the number of fakes per time so the the number of fakes per minute the number of shots attempted to minute the number of shots attempted to minute the number of shots attempted to per minute is usually much lower per minute is usually much lower per minute is usually much lower um um um so these are obvious differences so these are obvious differences so these are obvious differences uh the biggest difference however has uh the biggest difference however has uh the biggest difference however has nothing to do with that it has to do nothing to do with that it has to do nothing to do with that it has to do with tactics in jiu jitsu with tactics in jiu jitsu with tactics in jiu jitsu these scores these scores these scores will be judged by what happens after the will be judged by what happens after the will be judged by what happens after the takedown takedown takedown in the case of ADCC in the case of ADCC in the case of ADCC you can take someone down in ways that you can take someone down in ways that you can take someone down in ways that would score in both wrestling and Judo would score in both wrestling and Judo would score in both wrestling and Judo and possibly even win the match in the and possibly even win the match in the and possibly even win the match in the case of Judah case of Judah case of Judah and it would score zero in ADCC because

and it would score zero in ADCC because and it would score zero in ADCC because of the the nature of the rules of the the nature of the rules of the the nature of the rules the whole idea of ADCC scoring is to the whole idea of ADCC scoring is to the whole idea of ADCC scoring is to demonstrate control after the takedown demonstrate control after the takedown demonstrate control after the takedown it's what happens in the critical three it's what happens in the critical three it's what happens in the critical three seconds after the takedown that creates seconds after the takedown that creates seconds after the takedown that creates the score in Judo and in wrestling the score in Judo and in wrestling the score in Judo and in wrestling the emphasis is based on the takedown the emphasis is based on the takedown the emphasis is based on the takedown itself in Jiu Jitsu the emphasis is itself in Jiu Jitsu the emphasis is itself in Jiu Jitsu the emphasis is placed on the aftermath of the takedown placed on the aftermath of the takedown placed on the aftermath of the takedown that's where the score is allocated that's where the score is allocated that's where the score is allocated and that can be a period of up to three and that can be a period of up to three and that can be a period of up to three seconds now three seconds doesn't sound seconds now three seconds doesn't sound seconds now three seconds doesn't sound like much but in a scramble after I take like much but in a scramble after I take like much but in a scramble after I take down three seconds is a fucking eternity down three seconds is a fucking eternity down three seconds is a fucking eternity it goes on forever and so you will see it goes on forever and so you will see it goes on forever and so you will see many examples of takedowns that as I many examples of takedowns that as I many examples of takedowns that as I said would score very well and and Judo said would score very well and and Judo said would score very well and and Judo and wrestling but don't score at all on and wrestling but don't score at all on and wrestling but don't score at all on 80cc 80cc 80cc and so the whole skill becomes packaging and so the whole skill becomes packaging and so the whole skill becomes packaging the standing position in terms of the the standing position in terms of the the standing position in terms of the takedowns themselves but in particular takedowns themselves but in particular takedowns themselves but in particular preparing the athletes for that critical preparing the athletes for that critical preparing the athletes for that critical three seconds after the takedown that's three seconds after the takedown that's three seconds after the takedown that's why many people who have very fine why many people who have very fine why many people who have very fine wrestlers struggle in ADCC they take wrestlers struggle in ADCC they take wrestlers struggle in ADCC they take people down by wrestling metric all the people down by wrestling metric all the people down by wrestling metric all the time but don't score under ADCC rules time but don't score under ADCC rules time but don't score under ADCC rules what makes GSB so good at takedowns I've what makes GSB so good at takedowns I've what makes GSB so good at takedowns I've got a chance to even recently watch them got a chance to even recently watch them got a chance to even recently watch them do takedowns within this framework that do takedowns within this framework that do takedowns within this framework that you you're teaching what stands out to you you're teaching what stands out to you you're teaching what stands out to you about him that you draw lessons from you about him that you draw lessons from you about him that you draw lessons from yeah that's uh another example of

yeah that's uh another example of yeah that's uh another example of someone who's performing takedowns in a someone who's performing takedowns in a someone who's performing takedowns in a rule set radically different from rule set radically different from rule set radically different from wrestling wrestling wrestling um just as the ADCC rule set is so um just as the ADCC rule set is so um just as the ADCC rule set is so different from conventional wrestling different from conventional wrestling different from conventional wrestling rule sets that the whole manner in which rule sets that the whole manner in which rule sets that the whole manner in which you approach takedowns and even your you approach takedowns and even your you approach takedowns and even your understanding of takedowns has to be understanding of takedowns has to be understanding of takedowns has to be quite strongly modified so to an MMA quite strongly modified so to an MMA quite strongly modified so to an MMA it's even more extreme it's even more extreme it's even more extreme um people always think oh this guy's a um people always think oh this guy's a um people always think oh this guy's a good wrestler he should be able to get good wrestler he should be able to get good wrestler he should be able to get takedowns in MMA easily takedowns in MMA easily takedowns in MMA easily what you find is that the wrestling what you find is that the wrestling what you find is that the wrestling skills in MMA enable you to finish skills in MMA enable you to finish skills in MMA enable you to finish takedowns if you get in on your opponent takedowns if you get in on your opponent takedowns if you get in on your opponent and get through the legs or the waist or and get through the legs or the waist or and get through the legs or the waist or what have you your wrestling skill will what have you your wrestling skill will what have you your wrestling skill will enable you to finish the takedown enable you to finish the takedown enable you to finish the takedown but getting to the takedown is but getting to the takedown is but getting to the takedown is massively different in the context of massively different in the context of massively different in the context of MMA than it is in wrestling the entire MMA than it is in wrestling the entire MMA than it is in wrestling the entire stance is different stance is different stance is different foreign foreign foreign distancing is different there's the idea distancing is different there's the idea distancing is different there's the idea of positioning within a cage like how of positioning within a cage like how of positioning within a cage like how close you are to the the perimeter of close you are to the the perimeter of close you are to the the perimeter of the of the cage changes radically how the of the cage changes radically how the of the cage changes radically how you approach the takedown you approach the takedown you approach the takedown um the sit-ups are literally night and um the sit-ups are literally night and um the sit-ups are literally night and day different it's the setups are almost day different it's the setups are almost day different it's the setups are almost entirely comprised composed of striking entirely comprised composed of striking entirely comprised composed of striking setups rather than grappling setups setups rather than grappling setups setups rather than grappling setups and so the act of getting to the and so the act of getting to the and so the act of getting to the takedown takedown takedown is like a completely different sport now is like a completely different sport now is like a completely different sport now George studied wrestling George studied wrestling George studied wrestling and I used to go to wrestling practice and I used to go to wrestling practice and I used to go to wrestling practice twice a week in Canada they do Freestyle

twice a week in Canada they do Freestyle twice a week in Canada they do Freestyle Wrestling they don't use the American Wrestling they don't use the American Wrestling they don't use the American college style of wrestling now George's college style of wrestling now George's college style of wrestling now George's main emphasis in wrestling training was main emphasis in wrestling training was main emphasis in wrestling training was takedowns obviously the whole ground takedowns obviously the whole ground takedowns obviously the whole ground element of of Freestyle Wrestling was no element of of Freestyle Wrestling was no element of of Freestyle Wrestling was no interest to him like learning how to put interest to him like learning how to put interest to him like learning how to put people's back on the ground and turn people's back on the ground and turn people's back on the ground and turn them with leg laces and gut wrenches was them with leg laces and gut wrenches was them with leg laces and gut wrenches was of no value in MMA so he devoted almost of no value in MMA so he devoted almost of no value in MMA so he devoted almost all of his study to just the act of all of his study to just the act of all of his study to just the act of taking someone down taking someone down taking someone down um so as in pure wrestling George is not um so as in pure wrestling George is not um so as in pure wrestling George is not bad bad bad um uh I think he would be a very um uh I think he would be a very um uh I think he would be a very competitive match even for a highly competitive match even for a highly competitive match even for a highly ranked uh American freestyle wrestler if ranked uh American freestyle wrestler if ranked uh American freestyle wrestler if she he would lose easily on the ground she he would lose easily on the ground she he would lose easily on the ground because he's not used to the part here because he's not used to the part here because he's not used to the part here he'd probably be legalized or gut wrench he'd probably be legalized or gut wrench he'd probably be legalized or gut wrench quite easily by a skilled opponent but quite easily by a skilled opponent but quite easily by a skilled opponent but in just a pure takedown battle he'd be a in just a pure takedown battle he'd be a in just a pure takedown battle he'd be a competitive training partner for even a competitive training partner for even a competitive training partner for even a good wrestler but in actual MMA good wrestler but in actual MMA good wrestler but in actual MMA competition he could take down even the competition he could take down even the competition he could take down even the most highly credentialed wrestlers and most highly credentialed wrestlers and most highly credentialed wrestlers and in some cases it'll make it look almost in some cases it'll make it look almost in some cases it'll make it look almost effortless effortless effortless um and that um and that um and that came from his unification of striking came from his unification of striking came from his unification of striking skill with wrestling so he used skill with wrestling so he used skill with wrestling so he used wrestling skills to finish the takedown wrestling skills to finish the takedown wrestling skills to finish the takedown and his karate and uh boxing kickboxing and his karate and uh boxing kickboxing and his karate and uh boxing kickboxing pedigree to enter into the takedown now pedigree to enter into the takedown now pedigree to enter into the takedown now when he initiated the study of this this when he initiated the study of this this when he initiated the study of this this was at a time when MMA was pretty much was at a time when MMA was pretty much was at a time when MMA was pretty much in its infancy in its infancy in its infancy and uh and uh and uh uh he was one of the

uh he was one of the uh he was one of the most impressive people I've ever seen in most impressive people I've ever seen in most impressive people I've ever seen in this regard he was a true innovator he this regard he was a true innovator he this regard he was a true innovator he innovated this specialized area of innovated this specialized area of innovated this specialized area of striking to a takedown to a greater striking to a takedown to a greater striking to a takedown to a greater degree than anyone else I'm aware of degree than anyone else I'm aware of degree than anyone else I'm aware of okay well let me ask you about this okay well let me ask you about this okay well let me ask you about this Innovation because you're one of the Innovation because you're one of the Innovation because you're one of the most Innovative people in in uh martial most Innovative people in in uh martial most Innovative people in in uh martial arts arts arts there's several major categories of there's several major categories of there's several major categories of innovation that you have led innovation that you have led innovation that you have led um obviously leg locks um obviously leg locks um obviously leg locks body lock body lock body lock now wrestling what's your process of innovation so what's your process of innovation so seeing seeing seeing the problems in a particular system the the problems in a particular system the the problems in a particular system the the gaps the gaps the gaps how do you identify them and how do you how do you identify them and how do you how do you identify them and how do you figure out systems of how to fill those figure out systems of how to fill those figure out systems of how to fill those gaps first thing I look for is gaps first thing I look for is gaps first thing I look for is what are the current weaknesses in a what are the current weaknesses in a what are the current weaknesses in a given given given combat sport so in the case of combat sport so in the case of combat sport so in the case of Jiu Jitsu it was very obvious that Jiu Jitsu it was very obvious that Jiu Jitsu it was very obvious that historically Judas had always been weak historically Judas had always been weak historically Judas had always been weak and leg locking Judas had always been and leg locking Judas had always been and leg locking Judas had always been weak in a standing position overall and weak in a standing position overall and weak in a standing position overall and um um um these were things that needed to be these were things that needed to be these were things that needed to be sorted out immediately and its infancy sorted out immediately and its infancy sorted out immediately and its infancy mixed martial arts was divided between mixed martial arts was divided between mixed martial arts was divided between Grapplers and strikeless Strikers and Grapplers and strikeless Strikers and Grapplers and strikeless Strikers and uh most of the uh emphasis in early

uh most of the uh emphasis in early uh most of the uh emphasis in early mixed martial arts was on the idea of mixed martial arts was on the idea of mixed martial arts was on the idea of specialists in a given domain forcing specialists in a given domain forcing specialists in a given domain forcing the fight into their domain the fight into their domain the fight into their domain and that and that and that uh my early work with George Saint uh my early work with George Saint uh my early work with George Saint Pierre convinced me that the right Pierre convinced me that the right Pierre convinced me that the right approach wasn't increased specialization approach wasn't increased specialization approach wasn't increased specialization and learning to force and learning to force and learning to force uh your athlete into that area of uh your athlete into that area of uh your athlete into that area of specialization at the expense of the specialization at the expense of the specialization at the expense of the opponent but rather the the real battles opponent but rather the the real battles opponent but rather the the real battles of the future would be won and lost not of the future would be won and lost not of the future would be won and lost not worth worth worth techniques per se specialized techniques techniques per se specialized techniques techniques per se specialized techniques but rather the integration of techniques but rather the integration of techniques but rather the integration of techniques and the overlap between the various and the overlap between the various and the overlap between the various grappling and striking skills grappling and striking skills grappling and striking skills so that someone who was an inferior uh so that someone who was an inferior uh so that someone who was an inferior uh uh Grappler would have just enough uh Grappler would have just enough uh Grappler would have just enough grappling skill to be able to hold a grappling skill to be able to hold a grappling skill to be able to hold a Grappler off and then defeat them with Grappler off and then defeat them with Grappler off and then defeat them with uh striking and a striker who was uh if uh striking and a striker who was uh if uh striking and a striker who was uh if you've went to fight a someone who's you've went to fight a someone who's you've went to fight a someone who's Superior to you and striking you would Superior to you and striking you would Superior to you and striking you would have just enough striking skill to be have just enough striking skill to be have just enough striking skill to be able to hold them at Bay and then enter able to hold them at Bay and then enter able to hold them at Bay and then enter into grappling this went further and into grappling this went further and into grappling this went further and further until it got clear that there further until it got clear that there further until it got clear that there were whole areas of the sport that were whole areas of the sport that were whole areas of the sport that needed you needed to change your entire needed you needed to change your entire needed you needed to change your entire mindset about them mindset about them mindset about them um um um so that people went into so that people went into so that people went into early MMA thinking in terms of Grappler early MMA thinking in terms of Grappler early MMA thinking in terms of Grappler and Striker and Striker and Striker um um um what I started to think is in terms of what I started to think is in terms of what I started to think is in terms of okay there are four fundamental skill

okay there are four fundamental skill okay there are four fundamental skill areas of mixed martial arts there is areas of mixed martial arts there is areas of mixed martial arts there is shoot boxing which is the integration of shoot boxing which is the integration of shoot boxing which is the integration of uh uh uh takedowns and and striking there is takedowns and and striking there is takedowns and and striking there is clinch boxing which is the integration clinch boxing which is the integration clinch boxing which is the integration of upper body clinch skills combined of upper body clinch skills combined of upper body clinch skills combined with striking there is fence boxing with striking there is fence boxing with striking there is fence boxing which the two athletes are locked up which the two athletes are locked up which the two athletes are locked up with each other on the fence with each other on the fence with each other on the fence um uh and they have to integrate take um uh and they have to integrate take um uh and they have to integrate take down take down defense and striking down take down defense and striking down take down defense and striking skills and there is grapple boxing which skills and there is grapple boxing which skills and there is grapple boxing which is the merging of ground grappling with is the merging of ground grappling with is the merging of ground grappling with striking and when you broke MMA down striking and when you broke MMA down striking and when you broke MMA down into those four categories you saw that into those four categories you saw that into those four categories you saw that each one of those four domains each one of those four domains each one of those four domains transcends transcends transcends the specialized martial arts that form the specialized martial arts that form the specialized martial arts that form their components so for example in in their components so for example in in their components so for example in in clinch boxing you would incorporate clinch boxing you would incorporate clinch boxing you would incorporate things from Judo Greco-Roman freestyle things from Judo Greco-Roman freestyle things from Judo Greco-Roman freestyle Jujitsu submissions Muay Thai clinching Jujitsu submissions Muay Thai clinching Jujitsu submissions Muay Thai clinching techniques techniques techniques but but but even if you took all five of those even if you took all five of those even if you took all five of those the rule set that you're operating in the rule set that you're operating in the rule set that you're operating in required such extensive modification required such extensive modification required such extensive modification that the final product of clinch boxing that the final product of clinch boxing that the final product of clinch boxing transcended all five of its component transcended all five of its component transcended all five of its component martial arts and became its own martial arts and became its own martial arts and became its own autonomous skill it needed to be worked autonomous skill it needed to be worked autonomous skill it needed to be worked autonomously and when we broke autonomously and when we broke autonomously and when we broke Georgia's training down into those four Georgia's training down into those four Georgia's training down into those four areas that's when real progress started areas that's when real progress started areas that's when real progress started to be made that's when you started to

to be made that's when you started to to be made that's when you started to see the integration of those four phases see the integration of those four phases see the integration of those four phases and the Striking and grappling within and the Striking and grappling within and the Striking and grappling within each of them each of them each of them was where victory was being won and and was where victory was being won and and was where victory was being won and and lost so once you reframe how you see a lost so once you reframe how you see a lost so once you reframe how you see a particular combat sport particular combat sport particular combat sport then you can start doing these detailed then you can start doing these detailed then you can start doing these detailed development of ideas development of ideas development of ideas that actually like they they fit there's that actually like they they fit there's that actually like they they fit there's a sense in which that it had to start a sense in which that it had to start a sense in which that it had to start with a paradigm shift and then a with a paradigm shift and then a with a paradigm shift and then a research program began after that you research program began after that you research program began after that you don't start with research you start with don't start with research you start with don't start with research you start with the paradigm shift and then went to the paradigm shift and then went to the paradigm shift and then went to research uh well let me ask you I got a research uh well let me ask you I got a research uh well let me ask you I got a chance to hang out with you and Hanzo chance to hang out with you and Hanzo chance to hang out with you and Hanzo Gracie at ADCC he keeps messaging me Gracie at ADCC he keeps messaging me Gracie at ADCC he keeps messaging me saying he's gonna call me and not saying he's gonna call me and not saying he's gonna call me and not calling me I think aside from being calling me I think aside from being calling me I think aside from being hilarious charismatic and uh handsome hilarious charismatic and uh handsome hilarious charismatic and uh handsome uh he is also uh and wise for his young uh he is also uh and wise for his young uh he is also uh and wise for his young age age age um he's also one of the greatest coaches um he's also one of the greatest coaches um he's also one of the greatest coaches and athletes of all time in martial arts and athletes of all time in martial arts and athletes of all time in martial arts so let me ask what have you learned so let me ask what have you learned so let me ask what have you learned about life from Hansel Casey the degree about life from Hansel Casey the degree about life from Hansel Casey the degree of difficulty of difficulty of difficulty that henzo must have encountered he that henzo must have encountered he that henzo must have encountered he never talked to us to us about it never talked to us to us about it never talked to us to us about it because uh but I figured this out as the because uh but I figured this out as the because uh but I figured this out as the years went by the degree of difficulties years went by the degree of difficulties years went by the degree of difficulties he must have experienced when he first he must have experienced when he first he must have experienced when he first came to Manhattan and started teaching came to Manhattan and started teaching came to Manhattan and started teaching it must have just been incredible you've it must have just been incredible you've it must have just been incredible you've got to remember henzo came from Brazil got to remember henzo came from Brazil got to remember henzo came from Brazil training with

training with training with the best people in the world at that the best people in the world at that the best people in the world at that time meaning Hixson uh time meaning Hixson uh time meaning Hixson uh all the machados all of them were all the machados all of them were all the machados all of them were located located located around Gracie Baja and around Gracie Baja and around Gracie Baja and um uh um uh um uh that Rio Rio de Janeiro set they all that Rio Rio de Janeiro set they all that Rio Rio de Janeiro set they all knew each other and they all trained knew each other and they all trained knew each other and they all trained together they had internal problems of together they had internal problems of together they had internal problems of course and but um they all knew each course and but um they all knew each course and but um they all knew each other well and knew each other's games other well and knew each other's games other well and knew each other's games so they all of them had beautiful and so they all of them had beautiful and so they all of them had beautiful and highly developed Jiu-Jitsu so all hens highly developed Jiu-Jitsu so all hens highly developed Jiu-Jitsu so all hens are new from childhood on was perfect are new from childhood on was perfect are new from childhood on was perfect beautiful Jiu Jitsu and communicating beautiful Jiu Jitsu and communicating beautiful Jiu Jitsu and communicating with other people who also knew perfect with other people who also knew perfect with other people who also knew perfect beautiful jiu jitsu beautiful jiu jitsu beautiful jiu jitsu then he comes to New York yeah where he then he comes to New York yeah where he then he comes to New York yeah where he has to teach has to teach has to teach in a language that he at that stage in a language that he at that stage in a language that he at that stage barely spoke to a bunch of fucking barely spoke to a bunch of fucking barely spoke to a bunch of fucking morons who didn't even on my first day morons who didn't even on my first day morons who didn't even on my first day in Jiu-Jitsu they had to explain to me in Jiu-Jitsu they had to explain to me in Jiu-Jitsu they had to explain to me the difference between the mount and the the difference between the mount and the the difference between the mount and the guard because as far as I was concerned guard because as far as I was concerned guard because as far as I was concerned hey you're on top it's the same thing hey you're on top it's the same thing hey you're on top it's the same thing yeah and they're like no no mountain is yeah and they're like no no mountain is yeah and they're like no no mountain is different from God and I'm like no it's different from God and I'm like no it's different from God and I'm like no it's not like you're on top of the guy you not like you're on top of the guy you not like you're on top of the guy you just hit him so he has to argue with you just hit him so he has to argue with you just hit him so he has to argue with you and imagine going from training with and imagine going from training with and imagine going from training with Hicks and Gracie to having to tell some Hicks and Gracie to having to tell some Hicks and Gracie to having to tell some moron moron moron that God is different from Mount and we that God is different from Mount and we that God is different from Mount and we was we were so primitive back then was we were so primitive back then was we were so primitive back then it he went from the best training

it he went from the best training it he went from the best training culture in the world to literally the culture in the world to literally the culture in the world to literally the worst just a bunch of worst just a bunch of worst just a bunch of guys in their mid-20s who knew nothing guys in their mid-20s who knew nothing guys in their mid-20s who knew nothing about the ground about the ground about the ground just well luckily he's known for his just well luckily he's known for his just well luckily he's known for his patience but out of that he molded one of the but out of that he molded one of the greatest gyms ever in New York yes uh he greatest gyms ever in New York yes uh he greatest gyms ever in New York yes uh he had uh he did a fantastic job and most had uh he did a fantastic job and most had uh he did a fantastic job and most of it was based around the idea that he of it was based around the idea that he of it was based around the idea that he gave us complete Freedom we came in we gave us complete Freedom we came in we gave us complete Freedom we came in we trained all day and I started teaching trained all day and I started teaching trained all day and I started teaching beginner's classes beginner's classes beginner's classes um and then some of his senior students um and then some of his senior students um and then some of his senior students uh hikarua made a Rodrigo Gracie and uh hikarua made a Rodrigo Gracie and uh hikarua made a Rodrigo Gracie and Matt Sarah opened their own schools Matt Sarah opened their own schools Matt Sarah opened their own schools around the tri-state area so they left around the tri-state area so they left around the tri-state area so they left there was a vacuum of teachers and he there was a vacuum of teachers and he there was a vacuum of teachers and he asked me to start teaching asked me to start teaching asked me to start teaching um uh I taught for for many many years um uh I taught for for many many years um uh I taught for for many many years there and he always gave us complete there and he always gave us complete there and he always gave us complete Freedom his only thing was to say okay Freedom his only thing was to say okay Freedom his only thing was to say okay do whatever you want just make sure it's do whatever you want just make sure it's do whatever you want just make sure it's effective prove to me it's effective and effective prove to me it's effective and effective prove to me it's effective and that's the best research program you can that's the best research program you can that's the best research program you can ever get you know show me proof and um ever get you know show me proof and um ever get you know show me proof and um uh the uh the uh the you know so many times especially in you know so many times especially in you know so many times especially in those days in Jiu Jitsu there were so those days in Jiu Jitsu there were so those days in Jiu Jitsu there were so many things that were just off limits many things that were just off limits many things that were just off limits like you couldn't study Lagos you like you couldn't study Lagos you like you couldn't study Lagos you couldn't do this you couldn't do that couldn't do this you couldn't do that couldn't do this you couldn't do that like this kind of game was for cowards like this kind of game was for cowards like this kind of game was for cowards this kind of this is the only kind of this kind of this is the only kind of this kind of this is the only kind of game we accept and Enzo was never like game we accept and Enzo was never like game we accept and Enzo was never like that he was just like okay just do what that he was just like okay just do what that he was just like okay just do what you want prove to me it works and if you you want prove to me it works and if you you want prove to me it works and if you give people

give people give people that simple structure you give them some that simple structure you give them some that simple structure you give them some time some Ingenuity a lot of things can time some Ingenuity a lot of things can time some Ingenuity a lot of things can happen I gotta ask you and by the way happen I gotta ask you and by the way happen I gotta ask you and by the way he'll come on this podcast and I do feel he'll come on this podcast and I do feel he'll come on this podcast and I do feel like it's a little bit like riding a like it's a little bit like riding a like it's a little bit like riding a dragon or a bull of some kind it'll be dragon or a bull of some kind it'll be dragon or a bull of some kind it'll be it'll be a fun Journey there's I can't it'll be a fun Journey there's I can't it'll be a fun Journey there's I can't at least from my perspective at least from my perspective at least from my perspective uh having interactive or having met him uh having interactive or having met him uh having interactive or having met him it's hard not to smile it's hard not to smile it's hard not to smile um for me he's easily one of the most um for me he's easily one of the most um for me he's easily one of the most charismatic people in Jiu-Jitsu it's charismatic people in Jiu-Jitsu it's charismatic people in Jiu-Jitsu it's kind of a fun to watch that humans can kind of a fun to watch that humans can kind of a fun to watch that humans can be like this too it's just the the love be like this too it's just the the love be like this too it's just the the love that radiation was is incredible I gotta that radiation was is incredible I gotta that radiation was is incredible I gotta ask you this is from Reddit there's ask you this is from Reddit there's ask you this is from Reddit there's there's a there's a few legends that there's a there's a few legends that there's a there's a few legends that come from that gym but people on Reddit come from that gym but people on Reddit come from that gym but people on Reddit kept asking me about some guy named kept asking me about some guy named kept asking me about some guy named Boris Boris Boris apparently you coached him and henzos apparently you coached him and henzos apparently you coached him and henzos and he was a legend and he was and he was a legend and he was and he was a legend and he was terrifyingly good uh What made him a terrifyingly good uh What made him a terrifyingly good uh What made him a legend who's this Boris character uh legend who's this Boris character uh legend who's this Boris character uh Boris is one of my early students one I Boris is one of my early students one I Boris is one of my early students one I think he was either my first or second think he was either my first or second think he was either my first or second black belt Boris came from Long Island black belt Boris came from Long Island black belt Boris came from Long Island he was a wrestler he was a Russian he was a wrestler he was a Russian he was a wrestler he was a Russian Jewish descent and highly intelligent Jewish descent and highly intelligent Jewish descent and highly intelligent yeah and um now he was short of stature yeah and um now he was short of stature yeah and um now he was short of stature but very but very but very powerfully built and compact powerfully built and compact powerfully built and compact um um um uh very uh very uh very nice polite young man nice polite young man nice polite young man um but also slightly eccentric which uh um but also slightly eccentric which uh um but also slightly eccentric which uh I always liked about him I always liked about him I always liked about him um um um he would always come dressed with he would always come dressed with he would always come dressed with glasses on and he would leave the gym

glasses on and he would leave the gym glasses on and he would leave the gym uh dressed like to use the American uh dressed like to use the American uh dressed like to use the American phrase a complete nerd with like his phrase a complete nerd with like his phrase a complete nerd with like his pocket protector and any now he was pocket protector and any now he was pocket protector and any now he was heavily muscled but he would dress in heavily muscled but he would dress in heavily muscled but he would dress in such way that it didn't appear so when such way that it didn't appear so when such way that it didn't appear so when he left and we always used to laugh like he left and we always used to laugh like he left and we always used to laugh like you imagine some guy tried to mug as far you imagine some guy tried to mug as far you imagine some guy tried to mug as far as they would see him with his with his as they would see him with his with his as they would see him with his with his nerdy glasses on his pocket protector nerdy glasses on his pocket protector nerdy glasses on his pocket protector and they would literally run into like and they would literally run into like and they would literally run into like one of the most formidable human beings one of the most formidable human beings one of the most formidable human beings in the entire New York area Boris in the entire New York area Boris in the entire New York area Boris started training Jiu-Jitsu I believe in started training Jiu-Jitsu I believe in started training Jiu-Jitsu I believe in Long Island and then Long Island and then Long Island and then um when he got a tech job in Manhattan um when he got a tech job in Manhattan um when he got a tech job in Manhattan started training with us in a morning started training with us in a morning started training with us in a morning class now these were relatively early class now these were relatively early class now these were relatively early days in Manhattan and my teaching career days in Manhattan and my teaching career days in Manhattan and my teaching career and uh he and a group of others a very and uh he and a group of others a very and uh he and a group of others a very small group used to train early in the small group used to train early in the small group used to train early in the morning around 6 a.m before work and uh morning around 6 a.m before work and uh morning around 6 a.m before work and uh Boris was a legend in those days now a Boris was a legend in those days now a Boris was a legend in those days now a very young George Saint Pierre very young George Saint Pierre very young George Saint Pierre came to came to came to train with us at that time and he would train with us at that time and he would train with us at that time and he would come in at 6am through his morning class come in at 6am through his morning class come in at 6am through his morning class and uh he was one of the main training and uh he was one of the main training and uh he was one of the main training partners for for uh Boris and um Boris partners for for uh Boris and um Boris partners for for uh Boris and um Boris being arrested I used to generally being arrested I used to generally being arrested I used to generally prefer top position and I would always prefer top position and I would always prefer top position and I would always encourage George to play bottom position encourage George to play bottom position encourage George to play bottom position I said you've got to get good and bottom I said you've got to get good and bottom I said you've got to get good and bottom position you never know I know you're position you never know I know you're position you never know I know you're good at takedowns but one day someone's good at takedowns but one day someone's good at takedowns but one day someone's going to put you down so you've got to going to put you down so you've got to going to put you down so you've got to work bottom position work bottom position work bottom position um and Boris a very strong guard passing um and Boris a very strong guard passing um and Boris a very strong guard passing I remember one of George's happiest days

I remember one of George's happiest days I remember one of George's happiest days is finally after like two years one day is finally after like two years one day is finally after like two years one day he uh sweat bar it's got on top and he uh sweat bar it's got on top and he uh sweat bar it's got on top and finished them and I remembered he was finished them and I remembered he was finished them and I remembered he was that was one of his biggest uh uh that was one of his biggest uh uh that was one of his biggest uh uh Thrills in all of uh his his training Thrills in all of uh his his training Thrills in all of uh his his training career was the last time that ever career was the last time that ever career was the last time that ever happened no Boris was uh he was a very happened no Boris was uh he was a very happened no Boris was uh he was a very formal man for that time the funny thing formal man for that time the funny thing formal man for that time the funny thing about Boris is uh every time we would about Boris is uh every time we would about Boris is uh every time we would have a conversation he would say I'm have a conversation he would say I'm have a conversation he would say I'm only going to do the sport until I'm 40 only going to do the sport until I'm 40 only going to do the sport until I'm 40 years old and then I'm going to stop years old and then I'm going to stop years old and then I'm going to stop and I was like why like why not be like and I was like why like why not be like and I was like why like why not be like a lifelong martial artist you know you a lifelong martial artist you know you a lifelong martial artist you know you got so good you're good at you did so got so good you're good at you did so got so good you're good at you did so you've got great skills you've worked you've got great skills you've worked you've got great skills you've worked hard why not just keep going he's like hard why not just keep going he's like hard why not just keep going he's like it's ridiculous for a man to train after it's ridiculous for a man to train after it's ridiculous for a man to train after 40. there's no need 40. there's no need 40. there's no need and you can never give any reason for and you can never give any reason for and you can never give any reason for this it was just ridiculous so one day this it was just ridiculous so one day this it was just ridiculous so one day he now this is a guy who came in he now this is a guy who came in he now this is a guy who came in literally every day literally every day literally every day 6 a.m every day 6 a.m every day 6 a.m every day one day he comes in he comes up to be at one day he comes in he comes up to be at one day he comes in he comes up to be at the end of training goes hey John I just the end of training goes hey John I just the end of training goes hey John I just turned 40. so I won't be seeing you turned 40. so I won't be seeing you turned 40. so I won't be seeing you again again again and I thought that he's joking so I'm and I thought that he's joking so I'm and I thought that he's joking so I'm like I'll see you tomorrow Boris he's like I'll see you tomorrow Boris he's like I'll see you tomorrow Boris he's like no you want and walks off like no you want and walks off like no you want and walks off how gangster is that and then he never how gangster is that and then he never how gangster is that and then he never came back I've never seen borrow since came back I've never seen borrow since came back I've never seen borrow since he came in was one of the best crappers he came in was one of the best crappers he came in was one of the best crappers I ever saw I ever saw I ever saw and just that's it buddy I'm out and um and just that's it buddy I'm out and um and just that's it buddy I'm out and um so there's no one to walk away yeah so there's no one to walk away yeah so there's no one to walk away yeah uh I also got to hang out got to meet

uh I also got to hang out got to meet uh I also got to hang out got to meet hang out with Ali Abdul Aziz he's a hang out with Ali Abdul Aziz he's a hang out with Ali Abdul Aziz he's a hands of Gracie black belt fourth degree hands of Gracie black belt fourth degree hands of Gracie black belt fourth degree Judo black belt and friend and manager Judo black belt and friend and manager Judo black belt and friend and manager of khabib nuremov who's coming down uh of khabib nuremov who's coming down uh of khabib nuremov who's coming down uh to Austin soon we'll do a podcast to Austin soon we'll do a podcast to Austin soon we'll do a podcast hopefully you get on the mat and have hopefully you get on the mat and have hopefully you get on the mat and have have a bit of have a bit of have a bit of brainstorm brainstorm brainstorm also he's a manager and friend of many also he's a manager and friend of many also he's a manager and friend of many other amazing Fighters other amazing Fighters other amazing Fighters um um um I really love the guy uh the Loyalty The I really love the guy uh the Loyalty The I really love the guy uh the Loyalty The the fact that he he looks for loyalty the fact that he he looks for loyalty the fact that he he looks for loyalty and has that inner close Inner Circle and has that inner close Inner Circle and has that inner close Inner Circle and uh integrity and character and and uh integrity and character and and uh integrity and character and people I really liked my connected people I really liked my connected people I really liked my connected really quickly but any any fun stories really quickly but any any fun stories really quickly but any any fun stories about ali oh did you train together yeah about ali oh did you train together yeah about ali oh did you train together yeah see he trained for many years in the uh see he trained for many years in the uh see he trained for many years in the uh in the basement of my classes in the basement of my classes in the basement of my classes um uh he's um uh he's um uh he's his his story is one of the most his his story is one of the most his his story is one of the most unlikely stories like if someone wrote a unlikely stories like if someone wrote a unlikely stories like if someone wrote a movie plot about his life they'd be like movie plot about his life they'd be like movie plot about his life they'd be like this it's absurd would be thrown out the this it's absurd would be thrown out the this it's absurd would be thrown out the door in a second and yet it all happened door in a second and yet it all happened door in a second and yet it all happened um uh um uh um uh you're absolutely correct he his you're absolutely correct he his you're absolutely correct he his from the unlikeliest possible starts from the unlikeliest possible starts from the unlikeliest possible starts created a situation where he's I think created a situation where he's I think created a situation where he's I think it's incontestable now to say he's the it's incontestable now to say he's the it's incontestable now to say he's the most successful manager and mixed most successful manager and mixed most successful manager and mixed martial arts history he has more martial arts history he has more martial arts history he has more Champions under his care than than Champions under his care than than Champions under his care than than anyone else I've I'm aware of and anyone else I've I'm aware of and anyone else I've I'm aware of and respected and influential so I know on respected and influential so I know on respected and influential so I know on all Dimensions yes now many people

all Dimensions yes now many people all Dimensions yes now many people aren't aware the fact that he was aren't aware the fact that he was aren't aware the fact that he was actually a very good judo player he had actually a very good judo player he had actually a very good judo player he had um judoka first yes yeah he had very um judoka first yes yeah he had very um judoka first yes yeah he had very good uh nogi Judah good uh nogi Judah good uh nogi Judah um he had an excellent uh haraikoshi uh um he had an excellent uh haraikoshi uh um he had an excellent uh haraikoshi uh very good tanyatoshi very good tanyatoshi very good tanyatoshi um and he through many people who were um and he through many people who were um and he through many people who were highly credentialed wrestlers in back in highly credentialed wrestlers in back in highly credentialed wrestlers in back in the basement back in the Glory Days of the basement back in the Glory Days of the basement back in the Glory Days of MMA training MMA training MMA training um he was a good example of a guy who um he was a good example of a guy who um he was a good example of a guy who had very very good Judo hips and often had very very good Judo hips and often had very very good Judo hips and often use it to to counter wrestling and uh use it to to counter wrestling and uh use it to to counter wrestling and uh was a fine demonstrator of the idea that was a fine demonstrator of the idea that was a fine demonstrator of the idea that when Judo was adapted to nogi gripping when Judo was adapted to nogi gripping when Judo was adapted to nogi gripping it can provide a very effective foil to it can provide a very effective foil to it can provide a very effective foil to many of the standard forms of wrestling many of the standard forms of wrestling many of the standard forms of wrestling attack and he would often use uchimata attack and he would often use uchimata attack and he would often use uchimata to counter leg tackles and do some very to counter leg tackles and do some very to counter leg tackles and do some very very spectacular fashion well what do very spectacular fashion well what do very spectacular fashion well what do you think about khabib you think about khabib you think about khabib is there something uh from just watching is there something uh from just watching is there something uh from just watching him or is there something you can him or is there something you can him or is there something you can imagine uh if he comes down to the gym imagine uh if he comes down to the gym imagine uh if he comes down to the gym that you might learn from the way he that you might learn from the way he that you might learn from the way he moves the way he approaches wrestling oh moves the way he approaches wrestling oh moves the way he approaches wrestling oh absolutely he's one of the greatest absolutely he's one of the greatest absolutely he's one of the greatest combat athletes of all time if you can't combat athletes of all time if you can't combat athletes of all time if you can't run for someone like that there's run for someone like that there's run for someone like that there's something wrong with you so he something wrong with you so he something wrong with you so he emphasizes control yes he does and he's emphasizes control yes he does and he's emphasizes control yes he does and he's absolutely a master of exerting control absolutely a master of exerting control absolutely a master of exerting control um um um the amount of the amount of the amount of grappling control he was able to put grappling control he was able to put grappling control he was able to put over some of the most difficult people over some of the most difficult people over some of the most difficult people in the world to control was truly

in the world to control was truly in the world to control was truly astounding he he beat people from every astounding he he beat people from every astounding he he beat people from every cell he beat wrestlers he beat Jujitsu cell he beat wrestlers he beat Jujitsu cell he beat wrestlers he beat Jujitsu players he beat kickboxers and he players he beat kickboxers and he players he beat kickboxers and he controlled them all in more or less the controlled them all in more or less the controlled them all in more or less the same way same way same way um he has a very underrated bottom game um he has a very underrated bottom game um he has a very underrated bottom game people think oh he's just about stifling people think oh he's just about stifling people think oh he's just about stifling top control but people forget he was top control but people forget he was top control but people forget he was taken down on several occasions and taken down on several occasions and taken down on several occasions and ended up in bottom position and he ended up in bottom position and he ended up in bottom position and he showed excellent guard work from bottom showed excellent guard work from bottom showed excellent guard work from bottom um he was able to get into submission um he was able to get into submission um he was able to get into submission holds readily on opponents from bottom holds readily on opponents from bottom holds readily on opponents from bottom position he's got an excellent bottom position he's got an excellent bottom position he's got an excellent bottom game game game um um um he people say oh he's just a positional he people say oh he's just a positional he people say oh he's just a positional guy no he's not he's got great guy no he's not he's got great guy no he's not he's got great submissions look at the application of submissions look at the application of submissions look at the application of his triangle from both top and bottom his triangle from both top and bottom his triangle from both top and bottom was Top Class he had a sharp harm log was Top Class he had a sharp harm log was Top Class he had a sharp harm log from uh bottom position uh excellent from uh bottom position uh excellent from uh bottom position uh excellent Kimura if you look at Kimura if you look at Kimura if you look at um his Kimora finishes in MMA they were um his Kimora finishes in MMA they were um his Kimora finishes in MMA they were technically very very well Set uh technically very very well Set uh technically very very well Set uh excellent braking mechanics excellent braking mechanics excellent braking mechanics um he's a very very fine Grappler in um he's a very very fine Grappler in um he's a very very fine Grappler in both submission grappling and MMA both submission grappling and MMA both submission grappling and MMA grappling I think we'd probably learn a grappling I think we'd probably learn a grappling I think we'd probably learn a ton from uh from moving around with him ton from uh from moving around with him ton from uh from moving around with him is it possible to learn is it possible to learn is it possible to learn something about him or about hajja something about him or about hajja something about him or about hajja Gracie or about Gordon by Gracie or about Gordon by Gracie or about Gordon by watching them watching them watching them or rolling around them for a little bit or rolling around them for a little bit or rolling around them for a little bit so maybe hodger and and khabibas are so maybe hodger and and khabibas are so maybe hodger and and khabibas are good examples good examples good examples because they're able to do seemingly because they're able to do seemingly because they're able to do seemingly very basic things very basic things very basic things on everybody and dominate them with that on everybody and dominate them with that on everybody and dominate them with that I think Gordon is as well but Gordon

I think Gordon is as well but Gordon I think Gordon is as well but Gordon seems to have more preference and range seems to have more preference and range seems to have more preference and range of what he's able to do it's just it's of what he's able to do it's just it's of what he's able to do it's just it's almost miraculous how much uh hodger can almost miraculous how much uh hodger can almost miraculous how much uh hodger can do by just like the same exact thing on do by just like the same exact thing on do by just like the same exact thing on everybody is that like uh is it possible everybody is that like uh is it possible everybody is that like uh is it possible to understand why Hajj or khabib are so to understand why Hajj or khabib are so to understand why Hajj or khabib are so good at very basic positions or do you good at very basic positions or do you good at very basic positions or do you have to feel it or do you have to have to feel it or do you have to have to feel it or do you have to or is it just something that's developed or is it just something that's developed or is it just something that's developed over over over I think I think for most people for the I think I think for most people for the I think I think for most people for the vast majority of people it would have to vast majority of people it would have to vast majority of people it would have to be explained to them be explained to them be explained to them for a smaller group of people if they for a smaller group of people if they for a smaller group of people if they felt it they could try to replicate it felt it they could try to replicate it felt it they could try to replicate it and there are a few people who could and there are a few people who could and there are a few people who could look at it and have enough knowledge and look at it and have enough knowledge and look at it and have enough knowledge and say okay I can see what he's doing like say okay I can see what he's doing like say okay I can see what he's doing like for example hodger could probably look for example hodger could probably look for example hodger could probably look at video footage it could be grappling at video footage it could be grappling at video footage it could be grappling and say okay I understand what he's and say okay I understand what he's and say okay I understand what he's doing doing doing um uh but the average person would um uh but the average person would um uh but the average person would probably go over their heads you probably go over their heads you probably go over their heads you sometimes think of like these great sometimes think of like these great sometimes think of like these great athletes athletes athletes like maybe they're too narrow like you like maybe they're too narrow like you like maybe they're too narrow like you you might imagine they're kind of so you might imagine they're kind of so you might imagine they're kind of so focused on a particular thing they don't focused on a particular thing they don't focused on a particular thing they don't develop in interesting ways he's he's develop in interesting ways he's he's develop in interesting ways he's he's just a sweetheart yeah he's a wonderful just a sweetheart yeah he's a wonderful just a sweetheart yeah he's a wonderful person to be around person to be around person to be around uh yeah he'll he'll he's also visit uh yeah he'll he'll he's also visit uh yeah he'll he'll he's also visit visiting Austin but just I was so I mean visiting Austin but just I was so I mean visiting Austin but just I was so I mean first of all I'm honored just uh first of all I'm honored just uh first of all I'm honored just uh drinking a little bit too much in Vegas drinking a little bit too much in Vegas drinking a little bit too much in Vegas with haja Gracie and just and talking with haja Gracie and just and talking with haja Gracie and just and talking about uh about uh about uh love and relationships and life and and

love and relationships and life and and love and relationships and life and and death and all those philosophical topics death and all those philosophical topics death and all those philosophical topics as one does in Vegas as one does in Vegas as one does in Vegas um and a little bit too much to drink um and a little bit too much to drink um and a little bit too much to drink anyway anyway anyway after ADCC was beautiful and on top of after ADCC was beautiful and on top of after ADCC was beautiful and on top of that uh hanging out with Rogan many days that uh hanging out with Rogan many days that uh hanging out with Rogan many days for UFC in the nadcc you know one thing for UFC in the nadcc you know one thing for UFC in the nadcc you know one thing I don't know if you've gotten a chance I don't know if you've gotten a chance I don't know if you've gotten a chance to hang out with with Joe when he plays to hang out with with Joe when he plays to hang out with with Joe when he plays pool pool pool foreign foreign foreign I so I spent a lot of time with him when I so I spent a lot of time with him when I so I spent a lot of time with him when he was playing pool like recently on he was playing pool like recently on he was playing pool like recently on that trip to Vegas and there's something that trip to Vegas and there's something that trip to Vegas and there's something Zen like about first of all just Zen like about first of all just Zen like about first of all just watching him but I've never seen the watching him but I've never seen the watching him but I've never seen the focus the guys got focus the guys got focus the guys got on the game for hours on the game for hours on the game for hours just deep focus unshakable focus that just deep focus unshakable focus that just deep focus unshakable focus that was so interesting to watch that this was so interesting to watch that this was so interesting to watch that this human being he's a celebrity he does all human being he's a celebrity he does all human being he's a celebrity he does all kinds of stuff that he's able to to kinds of stuff that he's able to to kinds of stuff that he's able to to allocate allocate allocate as close to 100 of his mind as I can as close to 100 of his mind as I can as close to 100 of his mind as I can imagine to a particular task and nothing imagine to a particular task and nothing imagine to a particular task and nothing can distract him that was really can distract him that was really can distract him that was really inspiring that you could still do that inspiring that you could still do that inspiring that you could still do that on any task yeah Paul is a game of on any task yeah Paul is a game of on any task yeah Paul is a game of physics that should be your domain oh it physics that should be your domain oh it physics that should be your domain oh it is but that wasn't just physics yeah I is but that wasn't just physics yeah I is but that wasn't just physics yeah I would think would think would think you understand the game you understand you understand the game you understand you understand the game you understand the physics of it the physics of it the physics of it you also understand the the fun of it you also understand the the fun of it you also understand the the fun of it because there's friends and laughter and because there's friends and laughter and because there's friends and laughter and so on so on so on I would be distracted by that a little I would be distracted by that a little I would be distracted by that a little bit I wouldn't be as much he he bit I wouldn't be as much he he bit I wouldn't be as much he he literally as the closer you get to the

literally as the closer you get to the literally as the closer you get to the table table table the more it's everything Zooms in the the more it's everything Zooms in the the more it's everything Zooms in the jokes there's funny things you can't get jokes there's funny things you can't get jokes there's funny things you can't get his attention on anything it's that his attention on anything it's that his attention on anything it's that Focus I don't know that stays that Focus I don't know that stays that Focus I don't know that stays that really stuck stay with me that really stuck stay with me that really stuck stay with me that like like like uh you know those memes like uh you know those memes like uh you know those memes like I I want to find somebody that looks at I I want to find somebody that looks at I I want to find somebody that looks at me the way X looks at why I want to find me the way X looks at why I want to find me the way X looks at why I want to find somebody that looks at me the way Joe somebody that looks at me the way Joe somebody that looks at me the way Joe looks at a pool cue or whatever the looks at a pool cue or whatever the looks at a pool cue or whatever the focus there I want to find something in focus there I want to find something in focus there I want to find something in my life my life my life rather I want to attain the level of rather I want to attain the level of rather I want to attain the level of focus he has focus he has focus he has for pool on a task that I care about for pool on a task that I care about for pool on a task that I care about and that that Focus like fuck everything and that that Focus like fuck everything and that that Focus like fuck everything else else else this is now it's time to do work this is now it's time to do work this is now it's time to do work um I don't know that was really um I don't know that was really um I don't know that was really inspiring I haven't seen that kind of inspiring I haven't seen that kind of inspiring I haven't seen that kind of focus focus focus um um um for prolonged periods of times on a task for prolonged periods of times on a task for prolonged periods of times on a task you should see some time the guy the guy you should see some time the guy the guy you should see some time the guy the guy is I mean part of this just being is I mean part of this just being is I mean part of this just being competitive with himself it's the hatred competitive with himself it's the hatred competitive with himself it's the hatred of imperfection all those kinds of of imperfection all those kinds of of imperfection all those kinds of elements but embodied in a singular elements but embodied in a singular elements but embodied in a singular Focus we had no idea to even played pool Focus we had no idea to even played pool Focus we had no idea to even played pool he should we should watch him he won't I he should we should watch him he won't I he should we should watch him he won't I think it it could be one of his greatest think it it could be one of his greatest think it it could be one of his greatest obsessions obsessions obsessions like there's deep uh see I thought pool like there's deep uh see I thought pool like there's deep uh see I thought pool is for like degenerates is for like degenerates is for like degenerates like gamblers and like Hustlers right like gamblers and like Hustlers right like gamblers and like Hustlers right like uh the same way I see poker like uh the same way I see poker like uh the same way I see poker but like I saw like a wolf's slash like

but like I saw like a wolf's slash like but like I saw like a wolf's slash like Elite athlete in Joe I said I didn't Elite athlete in Joe I said I didn't Elite athlete in Joe I said I didn't know this I don't know much about pool I know this I don't know much about pool I know this I don't know much about pool I didn't know that you could have that didn't know that you could have that didn't know that you could have that level of focus while still drunk out level of focus while still drunk out level of focus while still drunk out your ass but extremely focused it was your ass but extremely focused it was your ass but extremely focused it was beautiful to see I don't know inspiring beautiful to see I don't know inspiring beautiful to see I don't know inspiring inspiring uh for me as a person who inspiring uh for me as a person who inspiring uh for me as a person who highly values highly values highly values a singular focus on a task let me ask a singular focus on a task let me ask a singular focus on a task let me ask you from a perspective of a hobbyist you from a perspective of a hobbyist you from a perspective of a hobbyist what major what major what major practical changes can a hobbyist who practical changes can a hobbyist who practical changes can a hobbyist who works regular nine-to-five job do to works regular nine-to-five job do to works regular nine-to-five job do to improve their Jiu Jitsu so they're in a improve their Jiu Jitsu so they're in a improve their Jiu Jitsu so they're in a gym gym gym there's a lot of excellent gyms there's a lot of excellent gyms there's a lot of excellent gyms throughout the United States what can throughout the United States what can throughout the United States what can they they they do to improve their Jiu Jitsu about do to improve their Jiu Jitsu about do to improve their Jiu Jitsu about their about the way they think about their about the way they think about their about the way they think about just about the way they approach their just about the way they approach their just about the way they approach their actual schedule those kinds of things actual schedule those kinds of things actual schedule those kinds of things that's a great question that's a great question that's a great question okay okay okay the less training time you've got the the less training time you've got the the less training time you've got the more you want to maximize its effect so more you want to maximize its effect so more you want to maximize its effect so a question becomes okay well if I'm a question becomes okay well if I'm a question becomes okay well if I'm training say twice a week training say twice a week training say twice a week and sometimes even once a week what can and sometimes even once a week what can and sometimes even once a week what can I do to make sure that that I do to make sure that that I do to make sure that that two hour period is used maximally two hour period is used maximally two hour period is used maximally um the less training time you've got the the less training time you've got the more the onus is on you to have a plan more the onus is on you to have a plan more the onus is on you to have a plan before you walk in the door before you walk in the door before you walk in the door if you go in to saying if you go in to saying if you go in to saying I'm Gonna Roll around and see what I'm Gonna Roll around and see what I'm Gonna Roll around and see what happens or I'll just follow what the happens or I'll just follow what the happens or I'll just follow what the instructor says instructor says instructor says you'll get a certain amount out of each you'll get a certain amount out of each you'll get a certain amount out of each class class class but it will never be what it could have

but it will never be what it could have but it will never be what it could have been been been go in with a plan go in with a plan go in with a plan and enact it many people go in with a and enact it many people go in with a and enact it many people go in with a plan and plan and plan and don't follow it don't follow it don't follow it let's say for example we start with the program that goes like we start with the program that goes like this this this first first first try to create the most honest assessment try to create the most honest assessment try to create the most honest assessment of yourself as a jiu jitsu player of yourself as a jiu jitsu player of yourself as a jiu jitsu player it's tough to make an honest assessment it's tough to make an honest assessment it's tough to make an honest assessment of yourself of yourself of yourself because you never actually get to see because you never actually get to see because you never actually get to see your game so what I would recommend is your game so what I would recommend is your game so what I would recommend is to start by videotaping yourself to start by videotaping yourself to start by videotaping yourself inspiring inspiring inspiring with your peers with your peers with your peers that's fascinating because we don't even that's fascinating because we don't even that's fascinating because we don't even have that level of introspection ability have that level of introspection ability have that level of introspection ability to reflect of what we actually look like to reflect of what we actually look like to reflect of what we actually look like in grappling start with an assessment of in grappling start with an assessment of in grappling start with an assessment of yourself and the most honest one comes yourself and the most honest one comes yourself and the most honest one comes not from you comes from the camera have a look at what you see have a look at what you see and start to say okay and start to say okay and start to say okay many of the weaknesses many of the weaknesses many of the weaknesses in your game are made much more apparent in your game are made much more apparent in your game are made much more apparent by looking from the outside in rather by looking from the outside in rather by looking from the outside in rather than feeling them during the heat of a than feeling them during the heat of a than feeling them during the heat of a match match match identify four or five of the biggest identify four or five of the biggest identify four or five of the biggest weaknesses that you see weaknesses that you see weaknesses that you see and start actively attacking those and start actively attacking those and start actively attacking those weaknesses ask yourself let's say for weaknesses ask yourself let's say for weaknesses ask yourself let's say for example example example in the course of watching the videotape

in the course of watching the videotape in the course of watching the videotape of yourself You observe yourself losing of yourself You observe yourself losing of yourself You observe yourself losing three triangles you attempted three three triangles you attempted three three triangles you attempted three triangle strangleholds you failed all triangle strangleholds you failed all triangle strangleholds you failed all three you could start by saying okay you could start by saying okay let me ask myself let me ask myself let me ask myself who who who are the people I look up to the most are the people I look up to the most are the people I look up to the most with regards a triangle strangle who the with regards a triangle strangle who the with regards a triangle strangle who the guys who have the best triangle guys who have the best triangle guys who have the best triangle strangles out there strangles out there strangles out there then ask yourselves then ask yourselves then ask yourselves of those people who are the ones whose of those people who are the ones whose of those people who are the ones whose body type and personality most closely body type and personality most closely body type and personality most closely mirrors my own mirrors my own mirrors my own and that would be a good example of and that would be a good example of and that would be a good example of of taking a problem in your game of taking a problem in your game of taking a problem in your game contrasting it with Elite level contrasting it with Elite level contrasting it with Elite level performance of in people whose body type performance of in people whose body type performance of in people whose body type roughly matches your own and then try to roughly matches your own and then try to roughly matches your own and then try to take lessons you learn by observing the take lessons you learn by observing the take lessons you learn by observing the best people and bringing them into your best people and bringing them into your best people and bringing them into your own game in one specific area own game in one specific area own game in one specific area as time goes by and you do this with as time goes by and you do this with as time goes by and you do this with more and more elements of your game you more and more elements of your game you more and more elements of your game you will undoubtedly improve will undoubtedly improve will undoubtedly improve you will also have to make sure that you you will also have to make sure that you you will also have to make sure that you take time during class to actively work take time during class to actively work take time during class to actively work on these things on these things on these things now sometimes in class you don't get a now sometimes in class you don't get a now sometimes in class you don't get a choice the instructor sometimes says choice the instructor sometimes says choice the instructor sometimes says okay today we're working this this and okay today we're working this this and okay today we're working this this and this but there's always time after and this but there's always time after and this but there's always time after and before class where you can do your own before class where you can do your own before class where you can do your own drilling where you can make your own drilling where you can make your own drilling where you can make your own inquiries and during sparring inquiries and during sparring inquiries and during sparring there's no rigorous control over what there's no rigorous control over what there's no rigorous control over what you do you can try to work the game into you do you can try to work the game into you do you can try to work the game into the areas of focus so for example if you

the areas of focus so for example if you the areas of focus so for example if you want to work on front triangles it would want to work on front triangles it would want to work on front triangles it would be wise for you to do most of your be wise for you to do most of your be wise for you to do most of your sparring from bottom guard positions sparring from bottom guard positions sparring from bottom guard positions that'll give you the most opportunity that'll give you the most opportunity that'll give you the most opportunity um um um uh and in this sense it always begins uh and in this sense it always begins uh and in this sense it always begins with an accurate assessment of your current an accurate assessment of your current skill level you've got to start there skill level you've got to start there skill level you've got to start there then I I always encourage people to use then I I always encourage people to use then I I always encourage people to use video camera to make the most honest video camera to make the most honest video camera to make the most honest honest appraisal you can yeah because honest appraisal you can yeah because honest appraisal you can yeah because your own mind is not dishonest but it's your own mind is not dishonest but it's your own mind is not dishonest but it's understandably inaccurate you tend to understandably inaccurate you tend to understandably inaccurate you tend to feel things rather than see them when feel things rather than see them when feel things rather than see them when you're performing jiu jitsu you're performing jiu jitsu you're performing jiu jitsu then make a then make a then make a a program for yourself based around what a program for yourself based around what a program for yourself based around what you see as excellence you see as excellence you see as excellence um um um look at the people in the sport who's uh look at the people in the sport who's uh look at the people in the sport who's uh in in the area you want to work on in in the area you want to work on in in the area you want to work on people who are renowned for skill in people who are renowned for skill in people who are renowned for skill in that area that area that area if possible narrow it down to people who if possible narrow it down to people who if possible narrow it down to people who have excellence in that area and their have excellence in that area and their have excellence in that area and their body type corresponds with your own body type corresponds with your own body type corresponds with your own and then try to take lessons learned and then try to take lessons learned and then try to take lessons learned from observing the Excellence in these from observing the Excellence in these from observing the Excellence in these Elite athletes and bring elements of Elite athletes and bring elements of Elite athletes and bring elements of them into your game them into your game them into your game never try to bring an elite athlete's never try to bring an elite athlete's never try to bring an elite athlete's entire game to your game that will entire game to your game that will entire game to your game that will create an inauthentic game on your part create an inauthentic game on your part create an inauthentic game on your part which will always be a poor copy of what which will always be a poor copy of what which will always be a poor copy of what you're trying to watch rather bring very you're trying to watch rather bring very you're trying to watch rather bring very specific areas and skills that you see

specific areas and skills that you see specific areas and skills that you see and import them from different people and import them from different people and import them from different people until eventually you find something for until eventually you find something for until eventually you find something for yourself yourself yourself experiment a lot okay experiment a lot okay experiment a lot okay everyone's different and so you will everyone's different and so you will everyone's different and so you will don't see the video research as the don't see the video research as the don't see the video research as the final word see video research the way a final word see video research the way a final word see video research the way a writer will see a muse writer will see a muse writer will see a muse as some someone who initiates discussion as some someone who initiates discussion as some someone who initiates discussion opens inquiries for your own research the most powerful moments you will have the most powerful moments you will have on the mat come from making discoveries on the mat come from making discoveries on the mat come from making discoveries for yourself not being told what to do for yourself not being told what to do for yourself not being told what to do not observing someone else doing not observing someone else doing not observing someone else doing something but self-discoveries something but self-discoveries something but self-discoveries those are the ones that will last inside those are the ones that will last inside those are the ones that will last inside you so use video research not as the you so use video research not as the you so use video research not as the definitive answer to your problems but definitive answer to your problems but definitive answer to your problems but as initiating research for yourself on as initiating research for yourself on as initiating research for yourself on the mat the mat the mat and as time goes by and you do this more and as time goes by and you do this more and as time goes by and you do this more and more often and more and more areas and more often and more and more areas and more often and more and more areas of the sport I promise you you'll of the sport I promise you you'll of the sport I promise you you'll improve yeah and I I guess when you have improve yeah and I I guess when you have improve yeah and I I guess when you have the plan have a plan that carries across the plan have a plan that carries across the plan have a plan that carries across many training sessions so I just many training sessions so I just many training sessions so I just remember I know this is perhaps dumb but remember I know this is perhaps dumb but remember I know this is perhaps dumb but I I saw in my own game early on a lot of I I saw in my own game early on a lot of I I saw in my own game early on a lot of growth it's by self-identifying a growth it's by self-identifying a growth it's by self-identifying a problem problem problem and coming up by myself with the and coming up by myself with the and coming up by myself with the solution by watching uh in that case solution by watching uh in that case solution by watching uh in that case Marcel Garcia I just thought my

Marcel Garcia I just thought my Marcel Garcia I just thought my butterfly guard was very weak and so I butterfly guard was very weak and so I butterfly guard was very weak and so I thought okay what's the solution here I thought okay what's the solution here I thought okay what's the solution here I I thought maybe this escort thing double I thought maybe this escort thing double I thought maybe this escort thing double X Card X Card X Card okay so I watched a bunch of video let okay so I watched a bunch of video let okay so I watched a bunch of video let me try to work on this and then all I me try to work on this and then all I me try to work on this and then all I did just this is self but uh when I did just this is self but uh when I did just this is self but uh when I could get time by myself meaning like could get time by myself meaning like could get time by myself meaning like not instructor guided classes but in not instructor guided classes but in not instructor guided classes but in training I would just training I would just training I would just every everything I would put myself into every everything I would put myself into every everything I would put myself into butterfly and ask card and then just let butterfly and ask card and then just let butterfly and ask card and then just let go like don't progress sweep and figure go like don't progress sweep and figure go like don't progress sweep and figure out a way to get swept to get right back out a way to get swept to get right back out a way to get swept to get right back to it back to and everything it was to it back to and everything it was to it back to and everything it was annoying probably to train with me annoying probably to train with me annoying probably to train with me because that's all I did and that's all because that's all I did and that's all because that's all I did and that's all I thought about I bet you learned I thought about I bet you learned I thought about I bet you learned quickly yeah I learned it's the most quickly yeah I learned it's the most quickly yeah I learned it's the most progress I've ever made now you could progress I've ever made now you could progress I've ever made now you could say that xguard wasn't the right say that xguard wasn't the right say that xguard wasn't the right solution for me that maybe that wasn't solution for me that maybe that wasn't solution for me that maybe that wasn't the weakest point for me to work on if I the weakest point for me to work on if I the weakest point for me to work on if I were to look back now it's still to this were to look back now it's still to this were to look back now it's still to this day sadly the week the obvious weakest day sadly the week the obvious weakest day sadly the week the obvious weakest point of for me is escapes from much point of for me is escapes from much point of for me is escapes from much worse positions worse positions worse positions that that should be worth them that that that should be worth them that that that should be worth them that should have been worked on from the very should have been worked on from the very should have been worked on from the very beginning yeah that's still today if I beginning yeah that's still today if I beginning yeah that's still today if I were to say what's the weakest thing were to say what's the weakest thing were to say what's the weakest thing that I should work on absolutely is even that I should work on absolutely is even that I should work on absolutely is even um um um even with one day a week even with one day a week even with one day a week is escapes but yeah a lot of that has to is escapes but yeah a lot of that has to is escapes but yeah a lot of that has to do with just uh do with just uh do with just uh carrying like focusing on the one thing carrying like focusing on the one thing carrying like focusing on the one thing over and over and over and over across over and over and over and over across over and over and over and over across training sessions now it also um

training sessions now it also um training sessions now it also um I would write down on a sheet of paper I would write down on a sheet of paper I would write down on a sheet of paper the number of times I would get an the number of times I would get an the number of times I would get an x-card sweep x-card sweep x-card sweep foreign whatever it was like 500 sweeps a week whatever it was like 500 sweeps a week so I'll have to and then like the closer so I'll have to and then like the closer so I'll have to and then like the closer you get to the end of the week the more you get to the end of the week the more you get to the end of the week the more you like just pick up a small white 100 you like just pick up a small white 100 you like just pick up a small white 100 in a week yes your trading partners must in a week yes your trading partners must in a week yes your trading partners must suck bro no no you start with with good suck bro no no you start with with good suck bro no no you start with with good ones and then just get more and more ones and then just get more and more ones and then just get more and more desperate start like finding the the kid desperate start like finding the the kid desperate start like finding the the kid right that you can just sweep over and right that you can just sweep over and right that you can just sweep over and over over over um but like that number for me the um but like that number for me the um but like that number for me the numbers for some reason were like set a numbers for some reason were like set a numbers for some reason were like set a goal to pull off a technique um it it enforced like we're staying um it it enforced like we're staying with this for a while this is a journey with this for a while this is a journey with this for a while this is a journey we're doing and then for some reason for we're doing and then for some reason for we're doing and then for some reason for me that helped me Focus the study me that helped me Focus the study me that helped me Focus the study to understand the Deep complexities of to understand the Deep complexities of to understand the Deep complexities of this thing that this thing that this thing that um at least for me other people like um at least for me other people like um at least for me other people like nobody at the gym was doing x-guard or nobody at the gym was doing x-guard or nobody at the gym was doing x-guard or anything of that so you have to kind of anything of that so you have to kind of anything of that so you have to kind of figure everything out yourself I'm sure figure everything out yourself I'm sure figure everything out yourself I'm sure there's there's better ways to do that there's there's better ways to do that there's there's better ways to do that but at least that Focus helps uh from a but at least that Focus helps uh from a but at least that Focus helps uh from a hobbyist perspective uh what's the day hobbyist perspective uh what's the day hobbyist perspective uh what's the day what's the perfect day in the life of what's the perfect day in the life of what's the perfect day in the life of John donoher if we're talking about a John donoher if we're talking about a John donoher if we're talking about a basic non-agcc basic non-agcc basic non-agcc now your now your now your uh I'm really grateful that you sit down uh I'm really grateful that you sit down uh I'm really grateful that you sit down with me on a Sunday uh with me on a Sunday uh with me on a Sunday uh late at night but it all starts again late at night but it all starts again late at night but it all starts again for you tomorrow

for you tomorrow for you tomorrow so so so three training sessions a day what uh three training sessions a day what uh three training sessions a day what uh what time do you wake up what time do you wake up what time do you wake up do you do like a mantra in the morning do you do like a mantra in the morning do you do like a mantra in the morning uh do you listen to like uh some zen uh do you listen to like uh some zen uh do you listen to like uh some zen music uh what do you eat in the morning music uh what do you eat in the morning music uh what do you eat in the morning what what what's the perfect day look what what what's the perfect day look what what what's the perfect day look like like like um um um when you say if it's a small animal yeah when you say if it's a small animal yeah when you say if it's a small animal yeah to the gods to the gods to the gods um I um I um I usually uh usually uh usually uh when you say a perfect day what I think when you say a perfect day what I think when you say a perfect day what I think you really mean is an average day you really mean is an average day you really mean is an average day perfectly productive average day yeah perfectly productive average day yeah perfectly productive average day yeah um so as let's take Monday morning um so as let's take Monday morning um so as let's take Monday morning for you uh watching this video we're for you uh watching this video we're for you uh watching this video we're filming this later on a Sunday night so filming this later on a Sunday night so filming this later on a Sunday night so um uh after this I'll drive home um uh after this I'll drive home um uh after this I'll drive home um um um we just had 80cc it was uh two weeks ago we just had 80cc it was uh two weeks ago we just had 80cc it was uh two weeks ago it was one of the longest uh training it was one of the longest uh training it was one of the longest uh training camps it was the longest training camp camps it was the longest training camp camps it was the longest training camp I've ever run because of the fact we had I've ever run because of the fact we had I've ever run because of the fact we had to go through three different matches to go through three different matches to go through three different matches for Gordon Ryan leading up to it for Gordon Ryan leading up to it for Gordon Ryan leading up to it um um um so immediately after ADCC I cut the so immediately after ADCC I cut the so immediately after ADCC I cut the training down for the competitive training down for the competitive training down for the competitive athletes to uh one session per day for athletes to uh one session per day for athletes to uh one session per day for the first week after ADCC to give their the first week after ADCC to give their the first week after ADCC to give their bodies a bit of a break bodies a bit of a break bodies a bit of a break um I still have to teach two classes in um I still have to teach two classes in um I still have to teach two classes in addition to that to recreational classes addition to that to recreational classes addition to that to recreational classes so my teaching schedule went down to so my teaching schedule went down to so my teaching schedule went down to three classes per day three classes per day three classes per day after uh one week after uh one week after uh one week of relative break we go back to uh two

of relative break we go back to uh two of relative break we go back to uh two competition classes per day plus two competition classes per day plus two competition classes per day plus two recreational classes plus an MMA class recreational classes plus an MMA class recreational classes plus an MMA class four uh Gary tonan and his friends four uh Gary tonan and his friends four uh Gary tonan and his friends um um um the first class the first class the first class requires me to get up around 6am requires me to get up around 6am requires me to get up around 6am to drive I'm still a student driver so to drive I'm still a student driver so to drive I'm still a student driver so I'm I'm not very good at driving so I I'm I'm not very good at driving so I I'm I'm not very good at driving so I have to spend a little extra time to get have to spend a little extra time to get have to spend a little extra time to get to the destination on time just just for to the destination on time just just for to the destination on time just just for the record and John Paul pulled in a red the record and John Paul pulled in a red the record and John Paul pulled in a red Lamborghini with a Lamborghini with a Lamborghini with a um no you're the worst liar I've ever um no you're the worst liar I've ever um no you're the worst liar I've ever met met met um my day typically starts pretty early um my day typically starts pretty early um my day typically starts pretty early I don't eat in the morning I just get up I don't eat in the morning I just get up I don't eat in the morning I just get up and go to work and I teach through the and go to work and I teach through the and go to work and I teach through the day day day my last class finishes usually around 8 my last class finishes usually around 8 my last class finishes usually around 8 P.M P.M P.M um during that time I um during that time I um during that time I uh coach Jujitsu I try to find time for uh coach Jujitsu I try to find time for uh coach Jujitsu I try to find time for uh one Instagram post per day which uh one Instagram post per day which uh one Instagram post per day which usually describes some basic theme of usually describes some basic theme of usually describes some basic theme of Jiu Jitsu in most cases unless we've Jiu Jitsu in most cases unless we've Jiu Jitsu in most cases unless we've just had a competition in which case just had a competition in which case just had a competition in which case I'll talk about upcoming competitions or I'll talk about upcoming competitions or I'll talk about upcoming competitions or what happens after a competition but what happens after a competition but what happens after a competition but most of them are just Express a simple most of them are just Express a simple most of them are just Express a simple Jiu Jitsu theme Jiu Jitsu theme Jiu Jitsu theme um I try to do a short workout for um I try to do a short workout for um I try to do a short workout for myself myself myself um um um and uh uh then I go home at the end of and uh uh then I go home at the end of and uh uh then I go home at the end of the day I always start by asking myself the day I always start by asking myself the day I always start by asking myself what do my students need for me tomorrow what do my students need for me tomorrow what do my students need for me tomorrow based on what I've seen today what do

based on what I've seen today what do based on what I've seen today what do the recreational students need and what the recreational students need and what the recreational students need and what do the competitive students need this is do the competitive students need this is do the competitive students need this is always done in the always done in the always done in the light of um uh what are the upcoming light of um uh what are the upcoming light of um uh what are the upcoming competitions competitions competitions but throughout the day you're doing a but throughout the day you're doing a but throughout the day you're doing a lot of really in-depth classes so how do lot of really in-depth classes so how do lot of really in-depth classes so how do you either prepare for them or think you either prepare for them or think you either prepare for them or think through them as they're happening think through them as they're happening think through them as they're happening think through through through the material that you're teaching I can the material that you're teaching I can the material that you're teaching I can look at a class I've been doing this a look at a class I've been doing this a look at a class I've been doing this a long time so I can just look at a class long time so I can just look at a class long time so I can just look at a class and be like okay these guys need and be like okay these guys need and be like okay these guys need distance and this and then I make distance and this and then I make distance and this and then I make Reflections at the end of the day then Reflections at the end of the day then Reflections at the end of the day then I'll take care of things that we all do I'll take care of things that we all do I'll take care of things that we all do talk to family occasionally go out on uh talk to family occasionally go out on uh talk to family occasionally go out on uh for dinner with friends for dinner with friends for dinner with friends um um um dates things like that yeah I had to dates things like that yeah I had to dates things like that yeah I had to really harass you to drag you out really harass you to drag you out really harass you to drag you out to hang out and it was very convincing to hang out and it was very convincing to hang out and it was very convincing and food wise I eat once a day once a and food wise I eat once a day once a and food wise I eat once a day once a day yeah at the end of the day I usually day yeah at the end of the day I usually day yeah at the end of the day I usually stop off at a place like a supermarket stop off at a place like a supermarket stop off at a place like a supermarket like Whole Foods or some equivalent to like Whole Foods or some equivalent to like Whole Foods or some equivalent to that and buy something simple and eat that and buy something simple and eat that and buy something simple and eat the internet wants to know the details the internet wants to know the details the internet wants to know the details did you end up getting Wi-Fi for your did you end up getting Wi-Fi for your did you end up getting Wi-Fi for your apartment no I'm still thinking about it apartment no I'm still thinking about it apartment no I'm still thinking about it so yeah yeah I want to go to the pros so yeah yeah I want to go to the pros so yeah yeah I want to go to the pros and cons and cons and cons um there's no cons lots of Pros but I um there's no cons lots of Pros but I um there's no cons lots of Pros but I just don't put much just don't put much just don't put much importance to it things that are importance to it things that are importance to it things that are unimportant I just ignore yeah there's a unimportant I just ignore yeah there's a unimportant I just ignore yeah there's a lot of things in life that have a lot of lot of things in life that have a lot of lot of things in life that have a lot of Pros but like they're lower in the

Pros but like they're lower in the Pros but like they're lower in the priority list why why because the 5G priority list why why because the 5G priority list why why because the 5G already he's got it covered do you watch already he's got it covered do you watch already he's got it covered do you watch much video do you watch video do you much video do you watch video do you much video do you watch video do you watch footage uh video footage quite watch footage uh video footage quite watch footage uh video footage quite often yeah I I especially things from uh often yeah I I especially things from uh often yeah I I especially things from uh Freestyle Wrestling record Roman Freestyle Wrestling record Roman Freestyle Wrestling record Roman Wrestling Judo Wrestling Judo Wrestling Judo um uh and mixed martial arts also uh um uh and mixed martial arts also uh um uh and mixed martial arts also uh subsidiary Sports to mix martial arts subsidiary Sports to mix martial arts subsidiary Sports to mix martial arts like boxing uh Muay Thai and European like boxing uh Muay Thai and European like boxing uh Muay Thai and European kickboxing just for long-term idea kickboxing just for long-term idea kickboxing just for long-term idea Generations yeah this is an interesting thing how yeah this is an interesting thing how could this be incorporated in the could this be incorporated in the could this be incorporated in the context in which we use it MMA or jiu context in which we use it MMA or jiu context in which we use it MMA or jiu jitsu jitsu jitsu as maybe it's immediately obvious or it as maybe it's immediately obvious or it as maybe it's immediately obvious or it might become obvious in in a few weeks might become obvious in in a few weeks might become obvious in in a few weeks or months or months or months is there some aspect to um the way you is there some aspect to um the way you is there some aspect to um the way you approach life and training and martial approach life and training and martial approach life and training and martial arts that amends itself to minimalism it arts that amends itself to minimalism it arts that amends itself to minimalism it seems like you live a pretty stoic life seems like you live a pretty stoic life seems like you live a pretty stoic life or is that just the symptom of the or is that just the symptom of the or is that just the symptom of the focusing you know my life wasn't always focusing you know my life wasn't always focusing you know my life wasn't always like this remember I've gone through like this remember I've gone through like this remember I've gone through different phases in my life I was a different phases in my life I was a different phases in my life I was a university student and teacher at university student and teacher at university student and teacher at University University University um uh I was a nightclub bouncer for more um uh I was a nightclub bouncer for more um uh I was a nightclub bouncer for more than a decade than a decade than a decade um I've been through different areas of um I've been through different areas of um I've been through different areas of life I've seen most things I've life I've seen most things I've life I've seen most things I've experienced a lot I've traveled the experienced a lot I've traveled the experienced a lot I've traveled the world world world um uh at this point in my life people um uh at this point in my life people um uh at this point in my life people think I live some kind of like monk-like think I live some kind of like monk-like think I live some kind of like monk-like existence but um uh you know I I have a existence but um uh you know I I have a existence but um uh you know I I have a private life I like to go out and have

private life I like to go out and have private life I like to go out and have fun like everyone else fun like everyone else fun like everyone else um yeah I'm not like some kind of like um yeah I'm not like some kind of like um yeah I'm not like some kind of like monk who just you know sits under a monk who just you know sits under a monk who just you know sits under a waterfall and meditates for anything waterfall and meditates for anything waterfall and meditates for anything crazy like that well that's that's what crazy like that well that's that's what crazy like that well that's that's what I'm currently going through that stage I'm currently going through that stage I'm currently going through that stage in my life the monk like existence so I in my life the monk like existence so I in my life the monk like existence so I would be amiss not to ask you one of the would be amiss not to ask you one of the would be amiss not to ask you one of the most important questions one can most important questions one can most important questions one can possibly ask John donaher which is on possibly ask John donaher which is on possibly ask John donaher which is on the topic of animal combat who wins the topic of animal combat who wins the topic of animal combat who wins in a fight to the death in a fight to the death in a fight to the death or maybe a uh in a sport competition or maybe a uh in a sport competition or maybe a uh in a sport competition setting but let's go with a fight to the setting but let's go with a fight to the setting but let's go with a fight to the death uh a grizzly bear death uh a grizzly bear death uh a grizzly bear a Silverback Gorilla a Silverback Gorilla a Silverback Gorilla and maybe a lion or tiger an African and maybe a lion or tiger an African and maybe a lion or tiger an African lion or uh one of the flavors of tiger I lion or uh one of the flavors of tiger I lion or uh one of the flavors of tiger I don't know who you think is more don't know who you think is more don't know who you think is more ferocious what are the parameters to ferocious what are the parameters to ferocious what are the parameters to consider here maybe I can throw a few consider here maybe I can throw a few consider here maybe I can throw a few out and maybe you can give me out and maybe you can give me out and maybe you can give me some thoughts about how much of these some thoughts about how much of these some thoughts about how much of these parameters matter so first of all parameters matter so first of all parameters matter so first of all intelligence intelligence intelligence uh I do believe the gorilla is the most uh I do believe the gorilla is the most uh I do believe the gorilla is the most intelligent I've did research for this intelligent I've did research for this intelligent I've did research for this as you can imagine as you can imagine as you can imagine [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] with Joe Rogan uh the uh the the expert with Joe Rogan uh the uh the the expert with Joe Rogan uh the uh the the expert advisor to this very podcast on this advisor to this very podcast on this advisor to this very podcast on this very topic is indeed Joe Rogan yes uh so very topic is indeed Joe Rogan yes uh so very topic is indeed Joe Rogan yes uh so in captivity gorillas have been in captivity gorillas have been in captivity gorillas have been documented to show complex emotions from documented to show complex emotions from documented to show complex emotions from family bonds the ability to use tools

family bonds the ability to use tools family bonds the ability to use tools and to be able to reason about the past and to be able to reason about the past and to be able to reason about the past and the future that's impressive so that and the future that's impressive so that and the future that's impressive so that that's something that at least in that's something that at least in that's something that at least in captivity the other animals have not captivity the other animals have not captivity the other animals have not been able to do they already sound much been able to do they already sound much been able to do they already sound much more advanced than I am um um yeah so yeah so yeah so that's intelligence then there is weight that's intelligence then there is weight that's intelligence then there is weight I think that's something that you think I think that's something that you think I think that's something that you think of at first uh the lion let's go with of at first uh the lion let's go with of at first uh the lion let's go with the big ones that I took notes Here 550 the big ones that I took notes Here 550 the big ones that I took notes Here 550 pounds for big lion that's exceptionally pounds for big lion that's exceptionally pounds for big lion that's exceptionally large like most male lines are around large like most male lines are around large like most male lines are around 450 pounds that's an exceptional Beast 450 pounds that's an exceptional Beast 450 pounds that's an exceptional Beast then then then thank you thank you thank you um the the tiger can be larger than that um the the tiger can be larger than that um the the tiger can be larger than that yeah much much larger yeah much much larger yeah much much larger so we got the grizzly bear which is so we got the grizzly bear which is so we got the grizzly bear which is probably the biggest of the bunch at uh probably the biggest of the bunch at uh probably the biggest of the bunch at uh the large ones get to uh 1500 pounds the large ones get to uh 1500 pounds the large ones get to uh 1500 pounds correct me some of this numbers I correct me some of this numbers I correct me some of this numbers I believe most Grizzlies around a thousand believe most Grizzlies around a thousand believe most Grizzlies around a thousand pounds big big beast I was looking up pounds big big beast I was looking up pounds big big beast I was looking up the biggest but I didn't want to do the the biggest but I didn't want to do the the biggest but I didn't want to do the biggest ever biggest ever biggest ever I just wanted the big like the top of I just wanted the big like the top of I just wanted the big like the top of the range because there's always the the range because there's always the the range because there's always the range you can put it in at roughly range you can put it in at roughly range you can put it in at roughly double that of even a very big lion double that of even a very big lion double that of even a very big lion of course how that weight is used is of course how that weight is used is of course how that weight is used is very important uh so there's also things very important uh so there's also things very important uh so there's also things which I find is interesting as Anaconda which I find is interesting as Anaconda which I find is interesting as Anaconda would just let me throw that in there would just let me throw that in there would just let me throw that in there because there is 200 pounds what I because there is 200 pounds what I because there is 200 pounds what I really like about that is it's not just really like about that is it's not just really like about that is it's not just the way it's the form factor and I think the way it's the form factor and I think the way it's the form factor and I think out of all of these the anacondas the out of all of these the anacondas the out of all of these the anacondas the most

most most non-standard form factor which I totally non-standard form factor which I totally non-standard form factor which I totally agree with that yeah it's like the the agree with that yeah it's like the the agree with that yeah it's like the the uh the Knight on the chessboard it comes uh the Knight on the chessboard it comes uh the Knight on the chessboard it comes in from a completely different angle so in from a completely different angle so in from a completely different angle so we got that we got also uh we got that we got also uh we got that we got also uh strength in which could be measured in strength in which could be measured in strength in which could be measured in ability to carry stuff so this was ability to carry stuff so this was ability to carry stuff so this was surprising to me I did look into this surprising to me I did look into this surprising to me I did look into this carefully the grizzly bear at a thousand carefully the grizzly bear at a thousand carefully the grizzly bear at a thousand or 1500 pounds can only carry at most or 1500 pounds can only carry at most or 1500 pounds can only carry at most its body weight which is a lot its body weight which is a lot its body weight which is a lot but a gorilla can carry 10 times his but a gorilla can carry 10 times his but a gorilla can carry 10 times his body weight a gorilla can lift over 2 body weight a gorilla can lift over 2 body weight a gorilla can lift over 2 000 kilograms that's over 4 000 pounds 000 kilograms that's over 4 000 pounds 000 kilograms that's over 4 000 pounds and gorillas themselves and adult male and gorillas themselves and adult male and gorillas themselves and adult male weighs in around 350 to 400 400 pounds weighs in around 350 to 400 400 pounds weighs in around 350 to 400 400 pounds yes that's so I like how in this yes that's so I like how in this yes that's so I like how in this particular place where I found this to 2 particular place where I found this to 2 particular place where I found this to 2 000 kilograms is as heavy as 30 average 000 kilograms is as heavy as 30 average 000 kilograms is as heavy as 30 average humans so gorillas humans so gorillas humans so gorillas 30 humans so that's carrying string and 30 humans so that's carrying string and 30 humans so that's carrying string and then of course uh bite force because then of course uh bite force because then of course uh bite force because that's one of the weapons in question that's one of the weapons in question that's one of the weapons in question here so now this is really surprising to here so now this is really surprising to here so now this is really surprising to me I the gorilla has worn me over me I the gorilla has worn me over me I the gorilla has worn me over through this by the way uh intelligence through this by the way uh intelligence through this by the way uh intelligence sucker for intelligence but the gorilla sucker for intelligence but the gorilla sucker for intelligence but the gorilla bite force is the highest of all these bite force is the highest of all these bite force is the highest of all these with 1300 PSI bear a second with 1200 with 1300 PSI bear a second with 1200 with 1300 PSI bear a second with 1200 PSI tiger is uh a third I think tiger PSI tiger is uh a third I think tiger PSI tiger is uh a third I think tiger and Lions third with a thousand PSI and Lions third with a thousand PSI and Lions third with a thousand PSI that's comparable and a bear is uh that's comparable and a bear is uh that's comparable and a bear is uh anywhere from 900 to a thousand PSI

anywhere from 900 to a thousand PSI anywhere from 900 to a thousand PSI they're close but gorilla I would not they're close but gorilla I would not they're close but gorilla I would not have expected now gorilla is not a have expected now gorilla is not a have expected now gorilla is not a carnivore but apparently you chews it's carnivore but apparently you chews it's carnivore but apparently you chews it's mostly it's grassy stuff right but it mostly it's grassy stuff right but it mostly it's grassy stuff right but it like like like it's difficult to explain why it has it's difficult to explain why it has it's difficult to explain why it has such a powerful bite and it also of such a powerful bite and it also of such a powerful bite and it also of course has very large in size of teeth course has very large in size of teeth course has very large in size of teeth as well as chewing teeth so um also no as well as chewing teeth so um also no as well as chewing teeth so um also no neck yeah neck yeah neck yeah so because Nick begins at the top of his so because Nick begins at the top of his so because Nick begins at the top of his head and this goes down to the shoulders head and this goes down to the shoulders head and this goes down to the shoulders well a lot of the way they use their well a lot of the way they use their well a lot of the way they use their teeth teeth teeth all of these animals they the the all of these animals they the the all of these animals they the the ultimate kill is to go for the neck the ultimate kill is to go for the neck the ultimate kill is to go for the neck the bite in the neck I don't know exactly bite in the neck I don't know exactly bite in the neck I don't know exactly why that is probably why that is probably why that is probably has to do has to do has to do why is that because it's a very strong why is that because it's a very strong why is that because it's a very strong controlled position not just that it's a controlled position not just that it's a controlled position not just that it's a is it the same as Jiu-Jitsu you think is it the same as Jiu-Jitsu you think is it the same as Jiu-Jitsu you think because they get to also choke them out because they get to also choke them out because they get to also choke them out it's very much in line with Jitsu like it's very much in line with Jitsu like it's very much in line with Jitsu like lions are famous for using strangulation lions are famous for using strangulation lions are famous for using strangulation as their primary method of killing they as their primary method of killing they as their primary method of killing they they get a hold of the neck and hold they get a hold of the neck and hold they get a hold of the neck and hold until until until um the animal drops plus uh claws um the animal drops plus uh claws um the animal drops plus uh claws I believe the tiger and the bear use I believe the tiger and the bear use I believe the tiger and the bear use their claws and the lion too the lion their claws and the lion too the lion their claws and the lion too the lion right and the lion uh right and the lion uh right and the lion uh this is something that the gorilla this is something that the gorilla this is something that the gorilla doesn't do doesn't do doesn't do and uh Anaconda obviously doesn't yeah and uh Anaconda obviously doesn't yeah and uh Anaconda obviously doesn't yeah so what what do you think how do we so what what do you think how do we so what what do you think how do we think about this also there is uh I'm think about this also there is uh I'm think about this also there is uh I'm just not letting you talk apparently just not letting you talk apparently just not letting you talk apparently there's uh levels of aggression in terms there's uh levels of aggression in terms there's uh levels of aggression in terms of these are also very important of these are also very important of these are also very important considerations yeah what what is um all

considerations yeah what what is um all considerations yeah what what is um all the considerations you've raised are the considerations you've raised are the considerations you've raised are very important and we we would have to very important and we we would have to very important and we we would have to address them if we're going to go address them if we're going to go address them if we're going to go through this topic through this topic through this topic um first things first um first things first um first things first whenever you go into a discussion of whenever you go into a discussion of whenever you go into a discussion of this kind there's a kind of natural impression that we all a kind of natural impression that we all have as to which one would be the most have as to which one would be the most have as to which one would be the most formidable formidable formidable um um um and and and it's important that you become rather it's important that you become rather it's important that you become rather skeptical of your first intuitions skeptical of your first intuitions skeptical of your first intuitions because they're often very misleading because they're often very misleading because they're often very misleading just as every boy thinks his father is just as every boy thinks his father is just as every boy thinks his father is the strongest man in the world the strongest man in the world the strongest man in the world and then when he grows up into adulthood and then when he grows up into adulthood and then when he grows up into adulthood he realizes he realizes he realizes this father was not even close to being this father was not even close to being this father was not even close to being the strongest man in the world it's not the strongest man in the world it's not the strongest man in the world it's not because because because of anything other than an experience to of anything other than an experience to of anything other than an experience to a boy his father seemed overwhelmingly a boy his father seemed overwhelmingly a boy his father seemed overwhelmingly strong he literally can't even imagine strong he literally can't even imagine strong he literally can't even imagine anyone else being stronger than that so anyone else being stronger than that so anyone else being stronger than that so naively he thinks his father is the naively he thinks his father is the naively he thinks his father is the strongest man in the world so too in our strongest man in the world so too in our strongest man in the world so too in our relationship with animals relationship with animals relationship with animals when we look at a Silverback Gorilla it when we look at a Silverback Gorilla it when we look at a Silverback Gorilla it just looks just looks just looks overwhelmingly strong to us to agree we overwhelmingly strong to us to agree we overwhelmingly strong to us to agree we just almost absurd like just almost absurd like just almost absurd like um um um you picture the greatest combat athletes you picture the greatest combat athletes you picture the greatest combat athletes that Humanity has ever produced the that Humanity has ever produced the that Humanity has ever produced the prime Mike Tyson Gordon Ryan for prime Mike Tyson Gordon Ryan for prime Mike Tyson Gordon Ryan for grappling grappling grappling they would literally be torn limb from they would literally be torn limb from they would literally be torn limb from limb by an angry gorilla it wouldn't limb by an angry gorilla it wouldn't limb by an angry gorilla it wouldn't even be remotely competitive and so even be remotely competitive and so even be remotely competitive and so there's a sense in which we look at them

there's a sense in which we look at them there's a sense in which we look at them in awe because of what they could do to in awe because of what they could do to in awe because of what they could do to us us us but that can be very misleading and just but that can be very misleading and just but that can be very misleading and just as a boy as a boy as a boy looks at his father as like the Pinnacle looks at his father as like the Pinnacle looks at his father as like the Pinnacle of strength you can't necessarily from a of strength you can't necessarily from a of strength you can't necessarily from a position of inexperiencing weakness look position of inexperiencing weakness look position of inexperiencing weakness look at a given animal and say oh that must at a given animal and say oh that must at a given animal and say oh that must be the toughest animal in the animal be the toughest animal in the animal be the toughest animal in the animal kingdom there's levels to this game and kingdom there's levels to this game and kingdom there's levels to this game and um I think we can point out that the um I think we can point out that the um I think we can point out that the gorilla ultimately would be pretty low gorilla ultimately would be pretty low gorilla ultimately would be pretty low on those levels on those levels on those levels pushback to this analysis because the pushback to this analysis because the pushback to this analysis because the data we don't have much data on this we data we don't have much data on this we data we don't have much data on this we don't have we actually have slightly don't have we actually have slightly don't have we actually have slightly more than you think I believe oh boy more than you think I believe oh boy more than you think I believe oh boy well it's anecdotal I feel like it's out well it's anecdotal I feel like it's out well it's anecdotal I feel like it's out of context so these species don't use of context so these species don't use of context so these species don't use this is not MMA they don't do this is not MMA they don't do this is not MMA they don't do inter-species fighting often inter-species fighting often inter-species fighting often yeah but there are some ways of looking yeah but there are some ways of looking yeah but there are some ways of looking at this which can take this already at this which can take this already at this which can take this already interesting question and make it a lot interesting question and make it a lot interesting question and make it a lot more interesting more interesting more interesting um um um first we've seen that intuitions aren't first we've seen that intuitions aren't first we've seen that intuitions aren't to be trusted so if intuitions aren't to to be trusted so if intuitions aren't to to be trusted so if intuitions aren't to be trusted or what is to be trusted here be trusted or what is to be trusted here be trusted or what is to be trusted here well I've always believed that there are well I've always believed that there are well I've always believed that there are three three three General General General elements that determine elements that determine elements that determine what level of success or failure anyone what level of success or failure anyone what level of success or failure anyone will experience in combat and this is will experience in combat and this is will experience in combat and this is true both for individuals and for groups true both for individuals and for groups true both for individuals and for groups and even all the way out to Nations and even all the way out to Nations and even all the way out to Nations um um um the first is what are your skills the

the first is what are your skills the the first is what are your skills the second is what are your physical and second is what are your physical and second is what are your physical and mental attributes so it's skills mental attributes so it's skills mental attributes so it's skills attributes those are the two primary attributes those are the two primary attributes those are the two primary ones and there's a third ones and there's a third ones and there's a third which is your experience in using those which is your experience in using those which is your experience in using those skills and attributes and real world skills and attributes and real world skills and attributes and real world scenarios okay so whenever two we'll scenarios okay so whenever two we'll scenarios okay so whenever two we'll start with two humans when two humans start with two humans when two humans start with two humans when two humans get into a fight ask yourself what is get into a fight ask yourself what is get into a fight ask yourself what is their skill set their skill set their skill set what are their physical and mental what are their physical and mental what are their physical and mental attributes and what is their experience attributes and what is their experience attributes and what is their experience and using those in real world and using those in real world and using those in real world applications and that will give you your applications and that will give you your applications and that will give you your first first first look at uh okay who's going to be the look at uh okay who's going to be the look at uh okay who's going to be the more successful more successful more successful um um um then in addition to those then in addition to those then in addition to those three General elements there's also four three General elements there's also four three General elements there's also four more specific elements what is the ability what is the ability of the combatants to initiate combat of the combatants to initiate combat of the combatants to initiate combat because initiation is a big deal in because initiation is a big deal in because initiation is a big deal in fighting the one who sees the enemy fighting the one who sees the enemy fighting the one who sees the enemy first and can create Ambush conditions first and can create Ambush conditions first and can create Ambush conditions or or or initiate compact combat in an area or a initiate compact combat in an area or a initiate compact combat in an area or a Terrain which is favorable to them this Terrain which is favorable to them this Terrain which is favorable to them this is huge in determining the uh the is huge in determining the uh the is huge in determining the uh the outcome of battles outcome of battles outcome of battles second second second not only is initiation important but not only is initiation important but not only is initiation important but disengagement is important a lot of disengagement is important a lot of disengagement is important a lot of battles don't go according to plan and battles don't go according to plan and battles don't go according to plan and so your ability to disengage at will and so your ability to disengage at will and so your ability to disengage at will and break off and away from a battle is key break off and away from a battle is key break off and away from a battle is key to success so initiation and

to success so initiation and to success so initiation and disengagement are big disengagement are big disengagement are big the third big element the third big element the third big element what is your ability to end a fight what is your ability to end a fight what is your ability to end a fight okay do you have an efficient method of okay do you have an efficient method of okay do you have an efficient method of ending conflict ending conflict ending conflict without that without that without that the conflict could go on to a point the conflict could go on to a point the conflict could go on to a point where you no longer have the ability to where you no longer have the ability to where you no longer have the ability to uh to continue it if you have some uh to continue it if you have some uh to continue it if you have some succinct method of finishing this is succinct method of finishing this is succinct method of finishing this is huge in combat and determining winner or huge in combat and determining winner or huge in combat and determining winner or loser so both from a winning and a loser so both from a winning and a loser so both from a winning and a losing position so if you don't have one losing position so if you don't have one losing position so if you don't have one there's a much higher chance you'll lose there's a much higher chance you'll lose there's a much higher chance you'll lose but if you have an ability to finish an but if you have an ability to finish an but if you have an ability to finish an opponent in the conflict uh reliably opponent in the conflict uh reliably opponent in the conflict uh reliably this is very very important in this is very very important in this is very very important in determining success or failure determining success or failure determining success or failure and third is your ability to endure a and third is your ability to endure a and third is your ability to endure a conflict longer than the person you're conflict longer than the person you're conflict longer than the person you're you're engaged in okay so engaged with you're engaged in okay so engaged with you're engaged in okay so engaged with sorry and so you get these four more sorry and so you get these four more sorry and so you get these four more specific elements now do you have the specific elements now do you have the specific elements now do you have the ability to initiate contact at will do ability to initiate contact at will do ability to initiate contact at will do you have the ability to break contact you have the ability to break contact you have the ability to break contact and disengage at will and disengage at will and disengage at will do you have the ability to finish your do you have the ability to finish your do you have the ability to finish your opponent efficiently and do you have the opponent efficiently and do you have the opponent efficiently and do you have the ability to endure longer than your ability to endure longer than your ability to endure longer than your opponent does if you have all four of opponent does if you have all four of opponent does if you have all four of those those those that's huge for for combat that probably that's huge for for combat that probably that's huge for for combat that probably applies to human on human everything applies to human on human everything applies to human on human everything military conflict everything even all military conflict everything even all military conflict everything even all the way up to Nations the way up to Nations the way up to Nations um um um also ask yourself also ask yourself also ask yourself what are the most efficient

methods of combat methods of combat across the globe across all species all across the globe across all species all across the globe across all species all times times times etc etc and you'll see that ultimately etc etc and you'll see that ultimately etc etc and you'll see that ultimately they always come down to they always come down to they always come down to three things three things three things the first is concentration of force the first is concentration of force the first is concentration of force okay one of the most successful okay one of the most successful okay one of the most successful combat strategies of all time is the combat strategies of all time is the combat strategies of all time is the ability to take ability to take ability to take concentrated Force against the zone of concentrated Force against the zone of concentrated Force against the zone of weakness in your opponent and if you can weakness in your opponent and if you can weakness in your opponent and if you can do this do this do this you will often break through to a point you will often break through to a point you will often break through to a point of vulnerability attack that of vulnerability attack that of vulnerability attack that vulnerability in a way where your vulnerability in a way where your vulnerability in a way where your opponent cannot respond and cannot opponent cannot respond and cannot opponent cannot respond and cannot recover from that vulnerable point being recover from that vulnerable point being recover from that vulnerable point being broken do a high amount of damage with broken do a high amount of damage with broken do a high amount of damage with Precision yes so this is one of the Precision yes so this is one of the Precision yes so this is one of the great combat strategies in across the great combat strategies in across the great combat strategies in across the animal kingdom across human history Etc if you can Ambush an opponent with the if you can Ambush an opponent with the element of surprise this is huge for element of surprise this is huge for element of surprise this is huge for success in combat they're almost all of success in combat they're almost all of success in combat they're almost all of the truly successful Predators on this the truly successful Predators on this the truly successful Predators on this planet are Ambush Predators planet are Ambush Predators planet are Ambush Predators the ability to get off to a good start the ability to get off to a good start the ability to get off to a good start in a way where opponents simply can't in a way where opponents simply can't in a way where opponents simply can't recover is huge for combat are we recover is huge for combat are we recover is huge for combat are we allowing ambush in our discussion allowing ambush in our discussion allowing ambush in our discussion because humans would call this cheating because humans would call this cheating because humans would call this cheating perhaps yes we would and perhaps yes we would and perhaps yes we would and humans are pretty damn good at it too so

humans are pretty damn good at it too so humans are pretty damn good at it too so um uh and then the third is endurance um uh and then the third is endurance um uh and then the third is endurance okay some uh okay some uh okay some uh [Music] [Music] [Music] species some people uh humans actually species some people uh humans actually species some people uh humans actually are pretty good at this are pretty good at this are pretty good at this um use endurance as a weapon and they um use endurance as a weapon and they um use endurance as a weapon and they simply wear an opponent down over time simply wear an opponent down over time simply wear an opponent down over time and break them and internationally this and break them and internationally this and break them and internationally this can be done economically can be done economically can be done economically um through numbers etc etc and uh and um through numbers etc etc and uh and um through numbers etc etc and uh and you can destroy someone with just sheer you can destroy someone with just sheer you can destroy someone with just sheer endurance yeah a lot of words throughout endurance yeah a lot of words throughout endurance yeah a lot of words throughout human history has been Siege Warfare human history has been Siege Warfare human history has been Siege Warfare yeah and so when you ask yourself okay yeah and so when you ask yourself okay yeah and so when you ask yourself okay which one of these animals are going to which one of these animals are going to which one of these animals are going to be the most successful in combat ask be the most successful in combat ask be the most successful in combat ask yourself well there's these three yourself well there's these three yourself well there's these three Elements which tend to determine Elements which tend to determine Elements which tend to determine Successful Failure and warfare Successful Failure and warfare Successful Failure and warfare um which animals exhibit these three um which animals exhibit these three um which animals exhibit these three principles the best and we'll discuss principles the best and we'll discuss principles the best and we'll discuss this but as far as um this but as far as um this but as far as um uh generalities go uh whenever you ask a uh generalities go uh whenever you ask a uh generalities go uh whenever you ask a question who will win between a and b question who will win between a and b question who will win between a and b ask yourself ask yourself ask yourself in terms of the light of what we've just in terms of the light of what we've just in terms of the light of what we've just discussed what is their skill set what is their skill set what are their attributes both mental what are their attributes both mental what are their attributes both mental and physical what is their experience in and physical what is their experience in and physical what is their experience in utilizing these in real world situations utilizing these in real world situations utilizing these in real world situations and then the four uh more technical and then the four uh more technical and then the four uh more technical elements who gets to initiate contact elements who gets to initiate contact elements who gets to initiate contact can you break off contact at any given can you break off contact at any given can you break off contact at any given time uh what is your endurance can you time uh what is your endurance can you time uh what is your endurance can you keep going keep going keep going longer than your opponent does so a longer than your opponent does so a longer than your opponent does so a skill set I wonder if a big component of

skill set I wonder if a big component of skill set I wonder if a big component of that of how much practice there is off that of how much practice there is off that of how much practice there is off off the battle exactly so how much off the battle exactly so how much off the battle exactly so how much quote-unquote you would probably call it quote-unquote you would probably call it quote-unquote you would probably call it play play play like play fighting let's start going like play fighting let's start going like play fighting let's start going through our animals okay when you look through our animals okay when you look through our animals okay when you look at the gorilla at the gorilla at the gorilla you will see immediately that almost you will see immediately that almost you will see immediately that almost every experience a gorilla has of combat every experience a gorilla has of combat every experience a gorilla has of combat is theatrical is theatrical is theatrical yes they don't engage in killing things yes they don't engage in killing things yes they don't engage in killing things they scare rival males away in order to they scare rival males away in order to they scare rival males away in order to gain ownership of females gain ownership of females gain ownership of females but there is almost no but there is almost no but there is almost no uh intra species death and those uh intra species death and those uh intra species death and those conflicts they're almost entirely conflicts they're almost entirely conflicts they're almost entirely theatrical they have for example theatrical they have for example theatrical they have for example enormous enormous enormous canine teeth but there is no record of canine teeth but there is no record of canine teeth but there is no record of them ever being used in combat them ever being used in combat them ever being used in combat um um um they appear to be used purely for they appear to be used purely for they appear to be used purely for intimidation purposes there's a sense in which they have this there's a sense in which they have this tremendous appearance and they have tremendous appearance and they have tremendous appearance and they have tremendous potential they they really do tremendous potential they they really do tremendous potential they they really do have freakish levels of strength have freakish levels of strength have freakish levels of strength in in many different ways in in many different ways in in many different ways and yet the actual track record of using and yet the actual track record of using and yet the actual track record of using it is negligible it's not strange that it is negligible it's not strange that it is negligible it's not strange that Evolution will develop such as it is Evolution will develop such as it is Evolution will develop such as it is sewing machine like they're bite force sewing machine like they're bite force sewing machine like they're bite force just makes no sense with regard to what just makes no sense with regard to what just makes no sense with regard to what they actually eat I think well no I I they actually eat I think well no I I they actually eat I think well no I I think that even the presence of canines think that even the presence of canines think that even the presence of canines doesn't make a lot of sense they're not doesn't make a lot of sense they're not doesn't make a lot of sense they're not going to use them what are they it comes

going to use them what are they it comes going to use them what are they it comes down to this idea their big thing is down to this idea their big thing is down to this idea their big thing is intimidation so as a show you wanna intimidation so as a show you wanna intimidation so as a show you wanna uh fake it and don't care if you ever uh fake it and don't care if you ever uh fake it and don't care if you ever make it because fake is good enough make it because fake is good enough make it because fake is good enough given that particular Dynamic now let's given that particular Dynamic now let's given that particular Dynamic now let's contrast that with a male lion contrast that with a male lion contrast that with a male lion 's 's 's take on the biggest meanest take on the biggest meanest take on the biggest meanest toughest animals in the most competitive toughest animals in the most competitive toughest animals in the most competitive killing War killing War killing War on planet Earth which is Continental on planet Earth which is Continental on planet Earth which is Continental Africa Africa Africa um and they um and they um and they literally just take I mean occasionally literally just take I mean occasionally literally just take I mean occasionally they lose but they lose but they lose but it's rare and they take out everything it's rare and they take out everything it's rare and they take out everything just in order to eat they have to take just in order to eat they have to take just in order to eat they have to take down wildebeest cape buffalo they they down wildebeest cape buffalo they they down wildebeest cape buffalo they they keep Buffalo are incredibly dangerous keep Buffalo are incredibly dangerous keep Buffalo are incredibly dangerous beasts just by themselves and yet Lions beasts just by themselves and yet Lions beasts just by themselves and yet Lions regularly take them down regularly take them down regularly take them down um occasionally large numbers of lines um occasionally large numbers of lines um occasionally large numbers of lines will even swarm elephant and over 12 will even swarm elephant and over 12 will even swarm elephant and over 12 hour periods take down elephant on some hour periods take down elephant on some hour periods take down elephant on some occasions this is all on videos it's not occasions this is all on videos it's not occasions this is all on videos it's not just speculation so they just have a just speculation so they just have a just speculation so they just have a level of combat experience which no level of combat experience which no level of combat experience which no other animal other animal other animal if I were to also project so the the if I were to also project so the the if I were to also project so the the Eastern European style of wrestling Eastern European style of wrestling Eastern European style of wrestling where they spend so many hours on the where they spend so many hours on the where they spend so many hours on the map they really value the number of map they really value the number of map they really value the number of hours on the mat at play from childhood hours on the mat at play from childhood hours on the mat at play from childhood the Lions probably for my extensive

the Lions probably for my extensive the Lions probably for my extensive watching videos on YouTube they seem to watching videos on YouTube they seem to watching videos on YouTube they seem to play with each other yeah for fun a lot play with each other yeah for fun a lot play with each other yeah for fun a lot and I guess what even really helps you and I guess what even really helps you and I guess what even really helps you see it you don't interact you don't play see it you don't interact you don't play see it you don't interact you don't play with other gorillas you have with other gorillas you have with other gorillas you have like you're more spending a lot more like you're more spending a lot more like you're more spending a lot more time around time around time around uh the opposite sex yeah so yeah I mean uh the opposite sex yeah so yeah I mean uh the opposite sex yeah so yeah I mean even Lions uh when they they fight each even Lions uh when they they fight each even Lions uh when they they fight each other the mortality rate when lions other the mortality rate when lions other the mortality rate when lions fight each other male lions for fight each other male lions for fight each other male lions for ownership of a pride ownership of a pride ownership of a pride is very very high much much higher than is very very high much much higher than is very very high much much higher than I believe any other species on Earth I believe any other species on Earth I believe any other species on Earth um they're almost always fights to the um they're almost always fights to the um they're almost always fights to the depth for the simple reason that when a depth for the simple reason that when a depth for the simple reason that when a male lion loses control of the pride the male lion loses control of the pride the male lion loses control of the pride the First Act the new lion does is to kill First Act the new lion does is to kill First Act the new lion does is to kill the genetic offspring of the previous the genetic offspring of the previous the genetic offspring of the previous male lion so when a lion fights another male lion so when a lion fights another male lion so when a lion fights another male lion when one male lion fights male lion when one male lion fights male lion when one male lion fights another it's not just a fight for his another it's not just a fight for his another it's not just a fight for his own life it's a fight for his genetic own life it's a fight for his genetic own life it's a fight for his genetic offspring and failure means not only offspring and failure means not only offspring and failure means not only does he die does he die does he die all his offspring dies and so when they all his offspring dies and so when they all his offspring dies and so when they fight the implications are so deep it's fight the implications are so deep it's fight the implications are so deep it's it's like a fight for your not just you it's like a fight for your not just you it's like a fight for your not just you but your your DNA but your your DNA but your your DNA um um um most male lions have very short runs at most male lions have very short runs at most male lions have very short runs at the top to get the top to get the top to get killed or run off by by other Lions killed or run off by by other Lions killed or run off by by other Lions um um um now now now this kind of harsh combat experience no

this kind of harsh combat experience no this kind of harsh combat experience no other animal can claim to have this other animal can claim to have this other animal can claim to have this between what they kill to eat and what between what they kill to eat and what between what they kill to eat and what they have to do to defend their their they have to do to defend their their they have to do to defend their their stake and a pride stake and a pride stake and a pride no other animal fights like that no other animal fights like that no other animal fights like that um um um they just bring a level of depth to they just bring a level of depth to they just bring a level of depth to combat which is unmatched in the animal combat which is unmatched in the animal combat which is unmatched in the animal kingdom they also have some other kingdom they also have some other kingdom they also have some other elements too that they get to they get elements too that they get to they get elements too that they get to they get the luxury because of their social the luxury because of their social the luxury because of their social nature of taking more risks than other nature of taking more risks than other nature of taking more risks than other animals like a tiger hunts alone so if animals like a tiger hunts alone so if animals like a tiger hunts alone so if it gets injured it's a big problem it it gets injured it's a big problem it it gets injured it's a big problem it can die if it's injured a lion can fight can die if it's injured a lion can fight can die if it's injured a lion can fight uh cape buffalo get injured and be uh cape buffalo get injured and be uh cape buffalo get injured and be covered by the other lions for food covered by the other lions for food covered by the other lions for food until it recovers so it learns to take until it recovers so it learns to take until it recovers so it learns to take risks and it's not afraid to go out and risks and it's not afraid to go out and risks and it's not afraid to go out and fight very very hard whereas other fight very very hard whereas other fight very very hard whereas other animals tend to shy away from risk animals tend to shy away from risk animals tend to shy away from risk because they're solitary beers are because they're solitary beers are because they're solitary beers are solitary that tigers are solitary so solitary that tigers are solitary so solitary that tigers are solitary so they learned from an early age not to they learned from an early age not to they learned from an early age not to take the big risk to go to a certain take the big risk to go to a certain take the big risk to go to a certain level and stop if I could push back so level and stop if I could push back so level and stop if I could push back so that's that's aggression and risk-taking that's that's aggression and risk-taking that's that's aggression and risk-taking that's a plus for the lion but to defend that's a plus for the lion but to defend that's a plus for the lion but to defend the gorilla because you said skill set the gorilla because you said skill set the gorilla because you said skill set they are of all of those the only ones they are of all of those the only ones they are of all of those the only ones that use tools have been shown to use that use tools have been shown to use that use tools have been shown to use tools tools tools we didn't say anything about weapons a we didn't say anything about weapons a we didn't say anything about weapons a gorilla could in theory pick up a rock gorilla could in theory pick up a rock gorilla could in theory pick up a rock and it does have the like the force the

and it does have the like the force the and it does have the like the force the power and the capabilities to do a lot power and the capabilities to do a lot power and the capabilities to do a lot of damage so it doesn't have the of damage so it doesn't have the of damage so it doesn't have the practice it doesn't have the experience practice it doesn't have the experience practice it doesn't have the experience but don't you think but don't you think but don't you think if if a gorilla's back is to the wall so if if a gorilla's back is to the wall so if if a gorilla's back is to the wall so you put them in a situation of it is you put them in a situation of it is you put them in a situation of it is life and death life and death life and death for both The Lion and the gorilla don't for both The Lion and the gorilla don't for both The Lion and the gorilla don't you don't you value intelligence at you don't you value intelligence at you don't you value intelligence at least a little bit here there's a reason least a little bit here there's a reason least a little bit here there's a reason why humans this is like evidence that why humans this is like evidence that why humans this is like evidence that you know humans have spread all across you know humans have spread all across you know humans have spread all across the world while being kind of weak the world while being kind of weak the world while being kind of weak why okay intelligence is a huge huge why okay intelligence is a huge huge why okay intelligence is a huge huge asset humanity is positive proof that it asset humanity is positive proof that it asset humanity is positive proof that it is the most important asset but it takes is the most important asset but it takes is the most important asset but it takes time in order to time in order to time in order to work is Magic it took humans work is Magic it took humans work is Magic it took humans 200 000 years to go from the bottom of 200 000 years to go from the bottom of 200 000 years to go from the bottom of the food chain to the top of the food the food chain to the top of the food the food chain to the top of the food chain chain chain um and gorillas have a lot of work to do um and gorillas have a lot of work to do um and gorillas have a lot of work to do before they get to that level uh humans before they get to that level uh humans before they get to that level uh humans can use it you said in theory gorillas can use it you said in theory gorillas can use it you said in theory gorillas could do this but let's talk about could do this but let's talk about could do this but let's talk about practice now first off there are many practice now first off there are many practice now first off there are many documented incidents of leopards killing documented incidents of leopards killing documented incidents of leopards killing gorillas gorillas gorillas that's that's anecdotal evidence no it's that's that's anecdotal evidence no it's that's that's anecdotal evidence no it's not there's a bunch of bitch-ass not there's a bunch of bitch-ass not there's a bunch of bitch-ass gorillas walking around we know this gorillas walking around we know this gorillas walking around we know this we're asking not anecdotal it was we're asking not anecdotal it was we're asking not anecdotal it was observed by a group of people who observed by a group of people who observed by a group of people who specialized in in observing gorillas specialized in in observing gorillas specialized in in observing gorillas over a 12-year period they regularly over a 12-year period they regularly over a 12-year period they regularly found gorilla toes in lipidification

found gorilla toes in lipidification found gorilla toes in lipidification um they also saw that over a certain um they also saw that over a certain um they also saw that over a certain period some 36 gorillas have been killed period some 36 gorillas have been killed period some 36 gorillas have been killed and evidence strongly suggested leopard and evidence strongly suggested leopard and evidence strongly suggested leopard predation was the reason apparently the predation was the reason apparently the predation was the reason apparently the leopards had figured out that there is a leopards had figured out that there is a leopards had figured out that there is a femoral artery femoral artery femoral artery and gorilla's legs and we're doing a and gorilla's legs and we're doing a and gorilla's legs and we're doing a move which from the sounds of it sounds move which from the sounds of it sounds move which from the sounds of it sounds a lot like a baron bolo where they were a lot like a baron bolo where they were a lot like a baron bolo where they were spinning underneath gorillas and biting spinning underneath gorillas and biting spinning underneath gorillas and biting the femoral artery and then disengaging the femoral artery and then disengaging the femoral artery and then disengaging and watching them bleed out and die and and watching them bleed out and die and and watching them bleed out and die and then eating them now a leopard then eating them now a leopard then eating them now a leopard is no match for a lion it the only is no match for a lion it the only is no match for a lion it the only defense it has to align is to run up a defense it has to align is to run up a defense it has to align is to run up a tree it cannot engage with a lion on tree it cannot engage with a lion on tree it cannot engage with a lion on anything close to equal terms it may anything close to equal terms it may anything close to equal terms it may seem like we're going out of tangents seem like we're going out of tangents seem like we're going out of tangents but we're not just because of the foot but we're not just because of the foot but we're not just because of the foot the attack of the artery and the foot the attack of the artery and the foot the attack of the artery and the foot is there weaknesses that the lion might is there weaknesses that the lion might is there weaknesses that the lion might have of that what I'm saying is I I know have of that what I'm saying is I I know have of that what I'm saying is I I know it's not equivalent but the the fact it's not equivalent but the the fact it's not equivalent but the the fact that a leopard does so well against even that a leopard does so well against even that a leopard does so well against even fully grown male gorillas fully grown male gorillas fully grown male gorillas makes you should make you rather makes you should make you rather makes you should make you rather suspicious of a gorilla's ability to suspicious of a gorilla's ability to suspicious of a gorilla's ability to fight a lion fight a lion fight a lion fair enough let's also go further into fair enough let's also go further into fair enough let's also go further into this let's talk about concentration of this let's talk about concentration of this let's talk about concentration of force force force the lion has the quintessential the lion has the quintessential the lion has the quintessential concentration of force which is fangs concentration of force which is fangs concentration of force which is fangs and claws the gorilla is the exact opposite it the gorilla is the exact opposite it can't even make a fist can't even make a fist can't even make a fist and so it can only throw open-handed and so it can only throw open-handed and so it can only throw open-handed slaps and grab things so it it has no slaps and grab things so it it has no slaps and grab things so it it has no ability with its with its arms to ability with its with its arms to ability with its with its arms to concentrate force in any kind of concentrate force in any kind of concentrate force in any kind of efficient way when a lion or a tiger

efficient way when a lion or a tiger efficient way when a lion or a tiger swear or a bear for that matter swings swear or a bear for that matter swings swear or a bear for that matter swings at you it's got four Claws from four to at you it's got four Claws from four to at you it's got four Claws from four to six inches long it's like four blades six inches long it's like four blades six inches long it's like four blades going into you they can retract their going into you they can retract their going into you they can retract their claws so they're always sharp but the claws so they're always sharp but the claws so they're always sharp but the reach is significantly longer for the reach is significantly longer for the reach is significantly longer for the gorilla the length of the the ability to gorilla the length of the the ability to gorilla the length of the the ability to engage with speed on the part of the the engage with speed on the part of the the engage with speed on the part of the the cats is is far far greater and also cats is is far far greater and also cats is is far far greater and also mobility and to feed the bipedal nature mobility and to feed the bipedal nature mobility and to feed the bipedal nature of a gorilla the the the temporary of a gorilla the the the temporary of a gorilla the the the temporary Barbados this is the bear has the same Barbados this is the bear has the same Barbados this is the bear has the same no impact humans will bipedal and lions no impact humans will bipedal and lions no impact humans will bipedal and lions kill 240 humans a year on average kill 240 humans a year on average kill 240 humans a year on average hmm hmm hmm so okay okay okay what about bear no so okay okay okay what about bear no so okay okay okay what about bear no because there beer is a difference for because there beer is a difference for because there beer is a difference for all the same things that a lion has all the same things that a lion has all the same things that a lion has the claws the teeth yeah has more weight the claws the teeth yeah has more weight the claws the teeth yeah has more weight it has more strength has more power it has more strength has more power it has more strength has more power okay now this is an interesting question okay now this is an interesting question okay now this is an interesting question okay you get a fully grown North okay you get a fully grown North okay you get a fully grown North American Grizzly this is an African lion American Grizzly this is an African lion American Grizzly this is an African lion this is an interesting fact I also have this is an interesting fact I also have this is an interesting fact I also have questions about polar bears it's unclear questions about polar bears it's unclear questions about polar bears it's unclear to me because they're big they're bigger to me because they're big they're bigger to me because they're big they're bigger in every way than than a Grizzly yes but in every way than than a Grizzly yes but in every way than than a Grizzly yes but they probably don't get the experience they probably don't get the experience they probably don't get the experience in the practice yeah also they have a in the practice yeah also they have a in the practice yeah also they have a much more limited set of uh animals that much more limited set of uh animals that much more limited set of uh animals that they've they Prey Upon so I'm pretty they've they Prey Upon so I'm pretty they've they Prey Upon so I'm pretty sure Grizzly is going to be tough to sure Grizzly is going to be tough to sure Grizzly is going to be tough to beat as far as Top beer goes beat as far as Top beer goes beat as far as Top beer goes um a grizzly bear a grizzly bear I believe would be a formidable I believe would be a formidable I believe would be a formidable adversary even for a for a male lion

adversary even for a for a male lion adversary even for a for a male lion um they're literally twice their size um they're literally twice their size um they're literally twice their size they have an ability to get away from they have an ability to get away from they have an ability to get away from strangleholds by standing up on two legs strangleholds by standing up on two legs strangleholds by standing up on two legs so the Lion's primary method of killing so the Lion's primary method of killing so the Lion's primary method of killing which is the strangle would be very which is the strangle would be very which is the strangle would be very difficult for them to employ upon a bear difficult for them to employ upon a bear difficult for them to employ upon a bear um um um interestingly the Bear's primary method interestingly the Bear's primary method interestingly the Bear's primary method of killing is to pin it pins animals and of killing is to pin it pins animals and of killing is to pin it pins animals and then just slowly eats them while they're then just slowly eats them while they're then just slowly eats them while they're still alive they have a rather barbaric still alive they have a rather barbaric still alive they have a rather barbaric means of killing lions are much more means of killing lions are much more means of killing lions are much more Humane in the way they kill Humane in the way they kill Humane in the way they kill um um um I what I see is the primary problem is I what I see is the primary problem is I what I see is the primary problem is that neither one would ever be able to that neither one would ever be able to that neither one would ever be able to kill the other uh that finishing thing kill the other uh that finishing thing kill the other uh that finishing thing yeah they both fail on the finishing yeah they both fail on the finishing yeah they both fail on the finishing criteria criteria criteria the lion would not be able to strangle a the lion would not be able to strangle a the lion would not be able to strangle a bear even in the best case scenario bear even in the best case scenario bear even in the best case scenario where he got his teeth into the neck the where he got his teeth into the neck the where he got his teeth into the neck the bear can stand up and and presumably bear can stand up and and presumably bear can stand up and and presumably Shake him off Shake him off Shake him off um uh the uh the the the the bear would um uh the uh the the the the bear would um uh the uh the the the the bear would never be able to pin a line for long never be able to pin a line for long never be able to pin a line for long enough to better hold it down and and enough to better hold it down and and enough to better hold it down and and slowly Maul it over time the way it can slowly Maul it over time the way it can slowly Maul it over time the way it can with an elk or a caribou so I don't with an elk or a caribou so I don't with an elk or a caribou so I don't believe either would be able to finish believe either would be able to finish believe either would be able to finish the other they'll just become exhausted the other they'll just become exhausted the other they'll just become exhausted it would be it would come down to it would be it would come down to it would be it would come down to endurance now that's where things get endurance now that's where things get endurance now that's where things get interesting because the bear is much interesting because the bear is much interesting because the bear is much more of an endurance Hunter and the line more of an endurance Hunter and the line more of an endurance Hunter and the line is much more of an ambush Hunter is much more of an ambush Hunter is much more of an ambush Hunter lines quick explosive much higher top lines quick explosive much higher top lines quick explosive much higher top speed they've got a top speed of 45 to speed they've got a top speed of 45 to speed they've got a top speed of 45 to 50 miles an hour a beer can do up to 35 50 miles an hour a beer can do up to 35 50 miles an hour a beer can do up to 35 but it can run for long periods at up to

but it can run for long periods at up to but it can run for long periods at up to 25 miles an hour very long periods 25 miles an hour very long periods 25 miles an hour very long periods they're mostly a uh an endurance Hunter they're mostly a uh an endurance Hunter they're mostly a uh an endurance Hunter they just run they just run they just run uh elk and moose down until they're uh elk and moose down until they're uh elk and moose down until they're exhausted and then pin them and kill exhausted and then pin them and kill exhausted and then pin them and kill them so if it came down to endurance them so if it came down to endurance them so if it came down to endurance might go the way of the beer if there might go the way of the beer if there might go the way of the beer if there were if they were caged up together were if they were caged up together were if they were caged up together however there is very strong evidence however there is very strong evidence however there is very strong evidence from both hunters and video from both hunters and video from both hunters and video which shows on many occasions beer is which shows on many occasions beer is which shows on many occasions beer is being chased off by being chased off by being chased off by cougar cougar cougar and Wolverines and Wolverines and Wolverines now what's that that's fear what is that now what's that that's fear what is that now what's that that's fear what is that what do you mean chased off uh if they what do you mean chased off uh if they what do you mean chased off uh if they fight over uh uh meat which uh and say fight over uh uh meat which uh and say fight over uh uh meat which uh and say for example a cougar has killed for example a cougar has killed for example a cougar has killed something and the bear wants the meat something and the bear wants the meat something and the bear wants the meat the cougar will come there risk aversion the cougar will come there risk aversion the cougar will come there risk aversion exactly exactly the Bears are risk exactly exactly the Bears are risk exactly exactly the Bears are risk averse what I would say is this the averse what I would say is this the averse what I would say is this the beers are very very powerful in their beers are very very powerful in their beers are very very powerful in their domain but they don't have the battle domain but they don't have the battle domain but they don't have the battle experience of a lion they don't take on experience of a lion they don't take on experience of a lion they don't take on animals as tough as a cape buffalo they animals as tough as a cape buffalo they animals as tough as a cape buffalo they don't take on elephant what the toughest don't take on elephant what the toughest don't take on elephant what the toughest thing it would probably take on would thing it would probably take on would thing it would probably take on would probably be a a bull moose and uh a bull probably be a a bull moose and uh a bull probably be a a bull moose and uh a bull moose is a formidable animal but it's moose is a formidable animal but it's moose is a formidable animal but it's nothing like a cape buffalo it's nothing nothing like a cape buffalo it's nothing nothing like a cape buffalo it's nothing like an elephant an elephant or a like an elephant an elephant or a like an elephant an elephant or a hippopotamus hippopotamus hippopotamus so what I would suggest is this so what I would suggest is this so what I would suggest is this in the wild I don't believe either one in the wild I don't believe either one in the wild I don't believe either one is capable of killing the other but I do

is capable of killing the other but I do is capable of killing the other but I do believe based on video evidence of believe based on video evidence of believe based on video evidence of cougars and Wolverines chasing off beers cougars and Wolverines chasing off beers cougars and Wolverines chasing off beers that a lion would provide that a lion would provide that a lion would provide enough threat enough threat enough threat in a brief fight that a bear would back in a brief fight that a bear would back in a brief fight that a bear would back away if you put them in a cage however away if you put them in a cage however away if you put them in a cage however where neither one could back away I where neither one could back away I where neither one could back away I would slightly favor the bear would slightly favor the bear would slightly favor the bear based on the fact that it neither one based on the fact that it neither one based on the fact that it neither one can kill each other would come down to can kill each other would come down to can kill each other would come down to endurance you mean like an octagon yeah endurance you mean like an octagon yeah endurance you mean like an octagon yeah that's got to be the next UFC by the way that's got to be the next UFC by the way that's got to be the next UFC by the way beer versus beer versus beer versus things change Joe Rogan's a big fan of things change Joe Rogan's a big fan of things change Joe Rogan's a big fan of the idea of fighting in a stadium for the idea of fighting in a stadium for the idea of fighting in a stadium for humans fighting in a stadium hmm humans fighting in a stadium hmm humans fighting in a stadium hmm um so in the stadium of bear I would I um so in the stadium of bear I would I um so in the stadium of bear I would I would slightly favor beer now I still would slightly favor beer now I still would slightly favor beer now I still think that the lion would have a chance think that the lion would have a chance think that the lion would have a chance but I would favor the Bear in a betting but I would favor the Bear in a betting but I would favor the Bear in a betting match match match um some of the best evidence we have for um some of the best evidence we have for um some of the best evidence we have for animal versus animal fights come from animal versus animal fights come from animal versus animal fights come from the ancient Romans who actually used to the ancient Romans who actually used to the ancient Romans who actually used to put animals in gladiatorial combat and put animals in gladiatorial combat and put animals in gladiatorial combat and um um um they for example had several incidents they for example had several incidents they for example had several incidents where they wrote about tiger vs lion where they wrote about tiger vs lion where they wrote about tiger vs lion uh conflict and uh in one famous passage uh conflict and uh in one famous passage uh conflict and uh in one famous passage they described a lion they described a lion they described a lion getting destroyed by a a female tiger getting destroyed by a a female tiger getting destroyed by a a female tiger um so there's there's some evidence to um so there's there's some evidence to um so there's there's some evidence to suggest that they had more expertise of suggest that they had more expertise of suggest that they had more expertise of this than we do because they had a big this than we do because they had a big this than we do because they had a big population of wild animals which they population of wild animals which they population of wild animals which they just put to fight each other just put to fight each other just put to fight each other um unfortunately there's nothing that um unfortunately there's nothing that um unfortunately there's nothing that they wrote about beers versus lion they

they wrote about beers versus lion they they wrote about beers versus lion they did talk about uh bears versus bulls uh did talk about uh bears versus bulls uh did talk about uh bears versus bulls uh they did talk about Lions versus Tigers they did talk about Lions versus Tigers they did talk about Lions versus Tigers um but they never mentioned bear vs lion um but they never mentioned bear vs lion um but they never mentioned bear vs lion so we don't have any evidence for that so we don't have any evidence for that so we don't have any evidence for that so we have to be a little bit more so we have to be a little bit more so we have to be a little bit more speculative now given that bears do get speculative now given that bears do get speculative now given that bears do get chased off by cougar and cougar is weak chased off by cougar and cougar is weak chased off by cougar and cougar is weak compared with a male lion they'll listen compared with a male lion they'll listen compared with a male lion they'll listen to you draw from that by the way I would to you draw from that by the way I would to you draw from that by the way I would suggest that is it about the Bears yeah suggest that is it about the Bears yeah suggest that is it about the Bears yeah it's more about the bear like in theory it's more about the bear like in theory it's more about the bear like in theory a bear should be able to crush a cougar a bear should be able to crush a cougar a bear should be able to crush a cougar but it seems to be the beer is a scene but it seems to be the beer is a scene but it seems to be the beer is a scene uh this thing could hurt me so I'm not uh this thing could hurt me so I'm not uh this thing could hurt me so I'm not gonna risk injury and backs away I think gonna risk injury and backs away I think gonna risk injury and backs away I think it would back away in the wild from a it would back away in the wild from a it would back away in the wild from a lion but put him in a cage and I lion but put him in a cage and I lion but put him in a cage and I slightly favor them the grizzly based on slightly favor them the grizzly based on slightly favor them the grizzly based on endurance endurance endurance so the final conclusion so the final conclusion so the final conclusion if you had to just bet everything you if you had to just bet everything you if you had to just bet everything you own so you got uh let's say we got the own so you got uh let's say we got the own so you got uh let's say we got the Octagon we bring in a bear Octagon we bring in a bear Octagon we bring in a bear now this is like legendary bear okay now this is like legendary bear okay now this is like legendary bear okay full grown Grizzly full grown Grizzly full grown Grizzly full grown Grizzly full grown Grizzly full grown Grizzly but not only that that Grizzly is seeing but not only that that Grizzly is seeing but not only that that Grizzly is seeing some shit what's the most it could have some shit what's the most it could have some shit what's the most it could have seen a bull moose seen a bull moose seen a bull moose a caribou that's the toughest opponent a caribou that's the toughest opponent a caribou that's the toughest opponent has ever had it once no no no no now has ever had it once no no no no now has ever had it once no no no no now this one once ran into a pack of other this one once ran into a pack of other this one once ran into a pack of other Grizzlies and had to find defend and Grizzlies and had to find defend and Grizzlies and had to find defend and he's got heck of Grizzlies there's a he's got heck of Grizzlies there's a he's got heck of Grizzlies there's a pack of Grizzlies they're solitary pack of Grizzlies they're solitary pack of Grizzlies they're solitary wolves wolves wolves what was a good wolves wolves wolves what was a good wolves wolves wolves what was a good practice for a bear who attacks a bear practice for a bear who attacks a bear practice for a bear who attacks a bear that's that's my point Bears don't

that's that's my point Bears don't that's that's my point Bears don't really live in a competitive environment really live in a competitive environment really live in a competitive environment lines but sometimes it can get desperate lines but sometimes it can get desperate lines but sometimes it can get desperate as it was a pack of wolves but that pack as it was a pack of wolves but that pack as it was a pack of wolves but that pack of wolves is nothing that that's nothing of wolves is nothing that that's nothing of wolves is nothing that that's nothing all right fine Lions deal with packs of all right fine Lions deal with packs of all right fine Lions deal with packs of hyenas okay what was the just imagine hyenas okay what was the just imagine hyenas okay what was the just imagine over the past hundred years what do you over the past hundred years what do you over the past hundred years what do you think is the hardest fight think is the hardest fight think is the hardest fight that a grizzly bear has been in like that a grizzly bear has been in like that a grizzly bear has been in like somewhere in Alaska we never heard all somewhere in Alaska we never heard all somewhere in Alaska we never heard all of a sudden in the middle of the night of a sudden in the middle of the night of a sudden in the middle of the night all you hear is the bear just they all you hear is the bear just they all you hear is the bear just they didn't really there's nothing that didn't really there's nothing that didn't really there's nothing that that's gotta have been something humans that's gotta have been something humans that's gotta have been something humans have killed they run away from cougars have killed they run away from cougars have killed they run away from cougars and Wolverines like no that's anecdotal and Wolverines like no that's anecdotal and Wolverines like no that's anecdotal evidence there's got to be one bear evidence there's got to be one bear evidence there's got to be one bear there's video footage of it you can there's video footage of it you can there's video footage of it you can watch it yes they're called anecdotal watch it yes they're called anecdotal watch it yes they're called anecdotal evidence there's got I guarantee you in evidence there's got I guarantee you in evidence there's got I guarantee you in the dark of the night there was an epic the dark of the night there was an epic the dark of the night there was an epic battle of which there's still Legend battle of which there's still Legend battle of which there's still Legend amongst the Bears in that part of Canada amongst the Bears in that part of Canada amongst the Bears in that part of Canada who did it battle in Canada moose on the who did it battle in Canada moose on the who did it battle in Canada moose on the Bears you don't think they'd go at it Bears you don't think they'd go at it Bears you don't think they'd go at it they have bears fight each other but they have bears fight each other but they have bears fight each other but it's largely theatrical they never kill it's largely theatrical they never kill it's largely theatrical they never kill each other when lions fight each other each other when lions fight each other each other when lions fight each other they kill each other all the time they kill each other all the time they kill each other all the time like that someone would have seen it by like that someone would have seen it by like that someone would have seen it by now interesting all right so so you're now interesting all right so so you're now interesting all right so so you're seeing my point is that Biz it just they seeing my point is that Biz it just they seeing my point is that Biz it just they they they they want to get their feet they they they want to get their feet they they they want to get their feet wet they're giving no credit for wet they're giving no credit for wet they're giving no credit for gorillas so you're saying lion wins your gorillas so you're saying lion wins your gorillas so you're saying lion wins your money's online no I'm saying lion would money's online no I'm saying lion would money's online no I'm saying lion would win in the wild because they they can't win in the wild because they they can't win in the wild because they they can't kill each other they can't end the fight kill each other they can't end the fight kill each other they can't end the fight that's one of our most important that's one of our most important that's one of our most important criteria criteria criteria um but Lions can almost always initiate um but Lions can almost always initiate um but Lions can almost always initiate the action because they have much better

the action because they have much better the action because they have much better uh uh ability to see at night for uh uh ability to see at night for uh uh ability to see at night for example Bears have very average night example Bears have very average night example Bears have very average night vision Lions have superb night vision so vision Lions have superb night vision so vision Lions have superb night vision so at night time they can always initiate at night time they can always initiate at night time they can always initiate the fight lions are natural Ambush the fight lions are natural Ambush the fight lions are natural Ambush Predators so it's always going to be Predators so it's always going to be Predators so it's always going to be able to have the advantage of Ambush able to have the advantage of Ambush able to have the advantage of Ambush um the great advantage that bears have um the great advantage that bears have um the great advantage that bears have is endurance uh but bears are very is endurance uh but bears are very is endurance uh but bears are very risk-averse and they're not used to risk-averse and they're not used to risk-averse and they're not used to fighting like the toughest toughest fighting like the toughest toughest fighting like the toughest toughest animals the toughest animal they fight animals the toughest animal they fight animals the toughest animal they fight is a moose or a caribou these are not is a moose or a caribou these are not is a moose or a caribou these are not not even close to the animals that Lions not even close to the animals that Lions not even close to the animals that Lions have to go up against on a regular basis have to go up against on a regular basis have to go up against on a regular basis so if somebody wins it's going to be the so if somebody wins it's going to be the so if somebody wins it's going to be the lion for you I still think that the size lion for you I still think that the size lion for you I still think that the size and endurance of the bear if they were and endurance of the bear if they were and endurance of the bear if they were locked in a cage together I would still locked in a cage together I would still locked in a cage together I would still favor the beer under those circumstances favor the beer under those circumstances favor the beer under those circumstances but in the wild I believe the beer will but in the wild I believe the beer will but in the wild I believe the beer will back away in the cage no time limit you back away in the cage no time limit you back away in the cage no time limit you fear for the bear what if it's five fear for the bear what if it's five fear for the bear what if it's five rounds or five minutes Championship I rounds or five minutes Championship I rounds or five minutes Championship I think then I would go with a lion think then I would go with a lion think then I would go with a lion because the lion has a huge speed because the lion has a huge speed because the lion has a huge speed Advantage so it's gonna it's gonna Advantage so it's gonna it's gonna Advantage so it's gonna it's gonna injure it tear it up and uh and do injure it tear it up and uh and do injure it tear it up and uh and do immediate damage like I put it this way immediate damage like I put it this way immediate damage like I put it this way if lion and bear fight first 15 minutes if lion and bear fight first 15 minutes if lion and bear fight first 15 minutes I favor the line 100 but then as time I favor the line 100 but then as time I favor the line 100 but then as time goes by that size and weight is gonna goes by that size and weight is gonna goes by that size and weight is gonna and endurance is going to have an effect and endurance is going to have an effect and endurance is going to have an effect I'll bring up shortly somebody that's I'll bring up shortly somebody that's I'll bring up shortly somebody that's going to probably disagree with you going to probably disagree with you going to probably disagree with you about some things hopefully it's a about some things hopefully it's a about some things hopefully it's a grizzly bear and it comes and just eats grizzly bear and it comes and just eats grizzly bear and it comes and just eats me me me oh that would be so epic oh that would be so epic oh that would be so epic um make a hell of a podcast I wonder who um make a hell of a podcast I wonder who um make a hell of a podcast I wonder who you would eat first who would look you would eat first who would look you would eat first who would look scarier more delicious I'm not sure the

scarier more delicious I'm not sure the scarier more delicious I'm not sure the black and white could either piss him black and white could either piss him black and white could either piss him off he would think you were a penguin is that a good thing or not no good if is that a good thing or not no good if it was a polar bear maybe it's different it was a polar bear maybe it's different it was a polar bear maybe it's different um um um deeply about your uh about athletes you deeply about your uh about athletes you deeply about your uh about athletes you coached about people in your life coached about people in your life coached about people in your life so I have to ask this question so I have to ask this question so I have to ask this question if one of those athletes let's say if one of those athletes let's say if one of those athletes let's say Gordon Ryan Gordon Ryan Gordon Ryan I was the dictator of the world and this I was the dictator of the world and this I was the dictator of the world and this would entertain me so I force you and would entertain me so I force you and would entertain me so I force you and Gordon to do this uh to fight a bear or Gordon to do this uh to fight a bear or Gordon to do this uh to fight a bear or a lion Gordon has to uh how would you a lion Gordon has to uh how would you a lion Gordon has to uh how would you coach him to do it coach him to do it coach him to do it uh to have any chance of winning uh to have any chance of winning uh to have any chance of winning he goes in empty hand empty-handed you he goes in empty hand empty-handed you he goes in empty hand empty-handed you can choose Stadium or can choose Stadium or can choose Stadium or um cage um cage um cage Gordon Ryan empty-handed versus a lion Gordon Ryan empty-handed versus a lion Gordon Ryan empty-handed versus a lion you get to choose lion versus bear it's you get to choose lion versus bear it's you get to choose lion versus bear it's up to you okay my advice would be very up to you okay my advice would be very up to you okay my advice would be very simple yeah I would say Gordon you're simple yeah I would say Gordon you're simple yeah I would say Gordon you're fucked fucked fucked you're going to die badly you're going to die badly you're going to die badly choose the lion because it will strangle choose the lion because it will strangle choose the lion because it will strangle you to death rather than pin you down you to death rather than pin you down you to death rather than pin you down and Maul you to death and Maul you to death and Maul you to death didn't we just talk about audacious didn't we just talk about audacious didn't we just talk about audacious goals goals goals this is not a question of audacious gold this is not a question of audacious gold this is not a question of audacious gold this is a question of minimizing pain so this is a question of minimizing pain so this is a question of minimizing pain so you coach your athletes to quit before you coach your athletes to quit before you coach your athletes to quit before the battle has been fought 100 yeah how what's he gonna do you don't think

how what's he gonna do you don't think there's a technic first of all there's a technic first of all there's a technic first of all intelligence so technically you gotta do intelligence so technically you gotta do intelligence so technically you gotta do a heel hook no no well first of all a heel hook no no well first of all a heel hook no no well first of all maybe you can't do a Double A's or four maybe you can't do a Double A's or four maybe you can't do a Double A's or four fucking legs okay what if Gordon gets fucking legs okay what if Gordon gets fucking legs okay what if Gordon gets any starting position he wants oh yeah any starting position he wants oh yeah any starting position he wants oh yeah that's gonna be really useful on a thousand pound beer yeah on a thousand pound beer yeah [Music] [Music] [Music] shaken off he'll get torn off with what shaken off he'll get torn off with what shaken off he'll get torn off with what like the reaches back he's got four or like the reaches back he's got four or like the reaches back he's got four or six inches oh he can't get I wonder what six inches oh he can't get I wonder what six inches oh he can't get I wonder what is the reach whatever he touches he's is the reach whatever he touches he's is the reach whatever he touches he's got if it's not a flexible bear got if it's not a flexible bear got if it's not a flexible bear so you think there's no control what so you think there's no control what so you think there's no control what about like a low like a uh some kind of about like a low like a uh some kind of about like a low like a uh some kind of controlling position from yeah like you controlling position from yeah like you controlling position from yeah like you said purple like from underneath nothing said purple like from underneath nothing said purple like from underneath nothing this discussion is so insane I didn't this discussion is so insane I didn't this discussion is so insane I didn't even know where to begin criticism I even know where to begin criticism I even know where to begin criticism I don't think you're open-minded we could don't think you're open-minded we could don't think you're open-minded we could we could turn this down forget about we could turn this down forget about we could turn this down forget about Gordon fighting a a lion or a bear Gordon fighting a a lion or a bear Gordon fighting a a lion or a bear that's that's completely impossible an that's that's completely impossible an that's that's completely impossible an adult male chimp will destroy Gordon adult male chimp will destroy Gordon adult male chimp will destroy Gordon it's not even a gorilla is more than enough to kill any human on is more than enough to kill any human on the planet including Gordon Ryan so the planet including Gordon Ryan so the planet including Gordon Ryan so Gordon Ryan fighting a chimp a good Gordon Ryan fighting a chimp a good Gordon Ryan fighting a chimp a good sized no a thousand times how many times sized no a thousand times how many times sized no a thousand times how many times does he win he loses a thousand times does he win he loses a thousand times does he win he loses a thousand times it's not even competitive it's not even it's not even competitive it's not even it's not even competitive it's not even remotely compared do you think he will remotely compared do you think he will remotely compared do you think he will disagree disagree disagree no no no do you think anyone will disagree anyone do you think anyone will disagree anyone do you think anyone will disagree anyone yeah moron

okay uh somebody that I think you might okay uh somebody that I think you might know uh there's a famous actor Tom Hardy know uh there's a famous actor Tom Hardy know uh there's a famous actor Tom Hardy but he's also doing uh quite a bit of but he's also doing uh quite a bit of but he's also doing uh quite a bit of Jiu Jitsu the reason this makes sense to Jiu Jitsu the reason this makes sense to Jiu Jitsu the reason this makes sense to bring up now is he's also I saw bring up now is he's also I saw bring up now is he's also I saw narrating a new Sky original series narrating a new Sky original series narrating a new Sky original series called Predators coming out in December called Predators coming out in December called Predators coming out in December where they follow five different where they follow five different where they follow five different predators and tell their full story predators and tell their full story predators and tell their full story about all the fighting The Killing and about all the fighting The Killing and about all the fighting The Killing and all that kind of stuff and he's doing all that kind of stuff and he's doing all that kind of stuff and he's doing that he's like it's like Morgan's uh that he's like it's like Morgan's uh that he's like it's like Morgan's uh it's like Morgan Freeman from March of it's like Morgan Freeman from March of it's like Morgan Freeman from March of the Penguins it's Tom Hardy for for the the Penguins it's Tom Hardy for for the the Penguins it's Tom Hardy for for the Predators uh so I don't I saw a bear and Predators uh so I don't I saw a bear and Predators uh so I don't I saw a bear and a lion in the it's in the trailer but a lion in the it's in the trailer but a lion in the it's in the trailer but they also had something I didn't watch they also had something I didn't watch they also had something I didn't watch it too careful but they had something it too careful but they had something it too careful but they had something like a hyena so they think they were like a hyena so they think they were like a hyena so they think they were talking about I don't know if it's a talking about I don't know if it's a talking about I don't know if it's a hyena but something like that like pack hyena but something like that like pack hyena but something like that like pack animals yeah that attack in Chinese have animals yeah that attack in Chinese have animals yeah that attack in Chinese have formidable formidable animals so it's formidable formidable animals so it's formidable formidable animals so it's not all about size it's about like not all about size it's about like not all about size it's about like strategy you know the most important strategy you know the most important strategy you know the most important thing in nature is numbers like uh you thing in nature is numbers like uh you thing in nature is numbers like uh you know a pack of animals will always know a pack of animals will always know a pack of animals will always destroy a single animal and I think that destroy a single animal and I think that destroy a single animal and I think that show in particular is not 100 about who show in particular is not 100 about who show in particular is not 100 about who wins or so on it's about the fascinating wins or so on it's about the fascinating wins or so on it's about the fascinating stories of how these Predators sort of stories of how these Predators sort of stories of how these Predators sort of dominate that particular environment dominate that particular environment dominate that particular environment because it's it's not about these like because it's it's not about these like because it's it's not about these like artificial matchups it's about giving artificial matchups it's about giving artificial matchups it's about giving your environment how do you succeed and your environment how do you succeed and your environment how do you succeed and all that kind of stuff maybe we could do all that kind of stuff maybe we could do all that kind of stuff maybe we could do golden Ryan versus a house cat golden Ryan versus a house cat golden Ryan versus a house cat the Gordon might have a a small chance the Gordon might have a a small chance the Gordon might have a a small chance against the house cat maybe maybe against the house cat maybe maybe against the house cat maybe maybe see now I know you're just trolling me I

see now I know you're just trolling me I see now I know you're just trolling me I I think Gordon has a chance against uh I think Gordon has a chance against uh I think Gordon has a chance against uh well definitely against well definitely against well definitely against the smaller Apes the smaller Apes the smaller Apes but I have no way of proving it and and but I have no way of proving it and and but I have no way of proving it and and the internet will say I'm an idiot so the internet will say I'm an idiot so the internet will say I'm an idiot so there you go the internet is correct there you go the internet is correct there you go the internet is correct every so often so there's a oh it's every so often so there's a oh it's every so often so there's a oh it's funny enough I'm looking at uh Tom's funny enough I'm looking at uh Tom's funny enough I'm looking at uh Tom's Instagram he has a picture with Hanzo Instagram he has a picture with Hanzo Instagram he has a picture with Hanzo he's competed recently which is very he's competed recently which is very he's competed recently which is very cool in Jiu Jitsu that's awesome that's cool in Jiu Jitsu that's awesome that's cool in Jiu Jitsu that's awesome that's tough to do for a celebrity to step up tough to do for a celebrity to step up tough to do for a celebrity to step up oh yeah absolutely yeah oh yeah absolutely yeah oh yeah absolutely yeah um he he used to um consult with me a um he he used to um consult with me a um he he used to um consult with me a little bit on um uh moose when he was little bit on um uh moose when he was little bit on um uh moose when he was starting out he's a very very nice starting out he's a very very nice starting out he's a very very nice person oh boy yeah yeah you ask person oh boy yeah yeah you ask person oh boy yeah yeah you ask questions about Judson he struck me as questions about Judson he struck me as questions about Judson he struck me as being a very very nice person I would being a very very nice person I would being a very very nice person I would love to be a fly in that wall but he uh love to be a fly in that wall but he uh love to be a fly in that wall but he uh he made a post on Instagram which I'd he made a post on Instagram which I'd he made a post on Instagram which I'd love to get your opinion on it has very love to get your opinion on it has very love to get your opinion on it has very much like a John Donahoe style of much like a John Donahoe style of much like a John Donahoe style of digging into the philosophy of the digging into the philosophy of the digging into the philosophy of the impact of Jiu Jitsu on one's life impact of Jiu Jitsu on one's life impact of Jiu Jitsu on one's life is this Instagram post 18 pages long yes is this Instagram post 18 pages long yes is this Instagram post 18 pages long yes he's got potential then yes with a he's got potential then yes with a he's got potential then yes with a profound deep picture of somebody profound deep picture of somebody profound deep picture of somebody practicing the art of Jitsu I think I practicing the art of Jitsu I think I practicing the art of Jitsu I think I think uh I think he's at least a trainee think uh I think he's at least a trainee think uh I think he's at least a trainee in this art of the Donna her style of in this art of the Donna her style of in this art of the Donna her style of communication if Miyamoto Musashi would communication if Miyamoto Musashi would communication if Miyamoto Musashi would be alive today he'll probably be doing be alive today he'll probably be doing be alive today he'll probably be doing these five page Instagram posts like you these five page Instagram posts like you these five page Instagram posts like you do do do addiction writes Tom Hardy addiction is addiction writes Tom Hardy addiction is addiction writes Tom Hardy addiction is difficult and complex stuff to navigate difficult and complex stuff to navigate difficult and complex stuff to navigate as is mental health subjects which are as is mental health subjects which are as is mental health subjects which are both deeply personal for me and both deeply personal for me and both deeply personal for me and extremely close to my heart it is an

extremely close to my heart it is an extremely close to my heart it is an honor to be able to represent the honor to be able to represent the honor to be able to represent the charity and my team reorg and the great charity and my team reorg and the great charity and my team reorg and the great work they do supporting the mental work they do supporting the mental work they do supporting the mental health and well-being of veterans of health and well-being of veterans of health and well-being of veterans of service military and First Responders service military and First Responders service military and First Responders through the therapeutic benefits of Jiu through the therapeutic benefits of Jiu through the therapeutic benefits of Jiu Jitsu and Fitness training he Jitsu and Fitness training he Jitsu and Fitness training he represented them in this competition represented them in this competition represented them in this competition that he competed in simple training for that he competed in simple training for that he competed in simple training for me as a hobby and a private love has me as a hobby and a private love has me as a hobby and a private love has been fundamentally key to further been fundamentally key to further been fundamentally key to further develop a deeper sense of inner develop a deeper sense of inner develop a deeper sense of inner resilience calm and well-being I can't resilience calm and well-being I can't resilience calm and well-being I can't stress the importance it has had and the stress the importance it has had and the stress the importance it has had and the impact of my life and my fellow impact of my life and my fellow impact of my life and my fellow teammates and he goes on to talk about teammates and he goes on to talk about teammates and he goes on to talk about this organization re-org that uses this organization re-org that uses this organization re-org that uses Brazilian Jiu Jitsu to form a therapy to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu to form a therapy to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu to form a therapy to overcome physical and mental challenges overcome physical and mental challenges overcome physical and mental challenges strengthen social connections and strengthen social connections and strengthen social connections and improve overall health and well-being improve overall health and well-being improve overall health and well-being this is for Veterans for people going this is for Veterans for people going this is for Veterans for people going through PTSD through PTSD through PTSD they have saved lives around the world they have saved lives around the world they have saved lives around the world by not only providing an effective and by not only providing an effective and by not only providing an effective and positive means for navigating and positive means for navigating and positive means for navigating and managing the challenging psychological managing the challenging psychological managing the challenging psychological aspects of military and first respondent aspects of military and first respondent aspects of military and first respondent careers but also has allowed many to careers but also has allowed many to careers but also has allowed many to find a renewed sense of purpose identity find a renewed sense of purpose identity find a renewed sense of purpose identity and Community that's often lost when and Community that's often lost when and Community that's often lost when transitioning to civilian life do you transitioning to civilian life do you transitioning to civilian life do you have thoughts about that sort of the have thoughts about that sort of the have thoughts about that sort of the effects of Jiu Jitsu on effects of Jiu Jitsu on effects of Jiu Jitsu on on on folks who've gone through some on on folks who've gone through some on on folks who've gone through some really difficult yeah things in their really difficult yeah things in their really difficult yeah things in their life life life first off I think that's just a first off I think that's just a first off I think that's just a beautiful statement by by Mr hardy beautiful statement by by Mr hardy beautiful statement by by Mr hardy that's uh I must uh that's uh I must uh that's uh I must uh give them a phone call after this and give them a phone call after this and give them a phone call after this and talk to him it was beautiful to read

talk to him it was beautiful to read talk to him it was beautiful to read um one thing that's always struck me when one thing that's always struck me when um I train people who either have a um I train people who either have a um I train people who either have a military background or on more than a military background or on more than a military background or on more than a few occasions few occasions few occasions um we have special forces soldiers come um we have special forces soldiers come um we have special forces soldiers come in and train with us for a week or two in and train with us for a week or two in and train with us for a week or two and and and when you talk to them the overwhelming sentiment I get the overwhelming sentiment I get when the conversation is over and we go when the conversation is over and we go when the conversation is over and we go our separate ways is I'm always asking our separate ways is I'm always asking our separate ways is I'm always asking myself myself myself the transition from military life the transition from military life the transition from military life especially the more extreme military especially the more extreme military especially the more extreme military lives of Special Force Special Forces lives of Special Force Special Forces lives of Special Force Special Forces soldiers soldiers soldiers back to civilian life it must be back to civilian life it must be back to civilian life it must be the craziest experience of all the craziest experience of all the craziest experience of all you've got people who of fighting and dying alongside their of fighting and dying alongside their their comrades their comrades their comrades in the most extreme circumstances that in the most extreme circumstances that in the most extreme circumstances that any human being can go through any human being can go through any human being can go through and then they're pulled back into a life and then they're pulled back into a life and then they're pulled back into a life where where where people are arguing with them over people are arguing with them over people are arguing with them over parking spots just like the average parking spots just like the average parking spots just like the average person's person's person's day-to-day life is so mundane day-to-day life is so mundane day-to-day life is so mundane that imagine what must be going through that imagine what must be going through that imagine what must be going through a man's head a man's head a man's head who a few weeks or months ago was who a few weeks or months ago was who a few weeks or months ago was literally fighting for his life and his literally fighting for his life and his literally fighting for his life and his comrades lives watching people that he comrades lives watching people that he comrades lives watching people that he loved die or get mutilated in front of

loved die or get mutilated in front of loved die or get mutilated in front of them them them things that things that things that you know in a matter of seconds people's you know in a matter of seconds people's you know in a matter of seconds people's lives can be torn apart and changed lives can be torn apart and changed lives can be torn apart and changed forever and then suddenly you get thrown forever and then suddenly you get thrown forever and then suddenly you get thrown into a life where people are arguing into a life where people are arguing into a life where people are arguing over over over you know who's who's cut who off who are you know who's who's cut who off who are you know who's who's cut who off who are in line to buy a coffee the intensity of in line to buy a coffee the intensity of in line to buy a coffee the intensity of camaraderie and love the uh for each camaraderie and love the uh for each camaraderie and love the uh for each other and then you go from incredible other and then you go from incredible other and then you go from incredible intensity and War to intensity and War to intensity and War to just mundane boring life and going from just mundane boring life and going from just mundane boring life and going from one to the other where people are one to the other where people are one to the other where people are yelling at you or nagging you over yelling at you or nagging you over yelling at you or nagging you over issues that just seem so inconsequential issues that just seem so inconsequential issues that just seem so inconsequential compared to what you've been through compared to what you've been through compared to what you've been through and you're supposed to take these people and you're supposed to take these people and you're supposed to take these people seriously and listen to them but not seriously and listen to them but not seriously and listen to them but not like that you do have trauma visions of like that you do have trauma visions of like that you do have trauma visions of dead brothers and sisters and you feel dead brothers and sisters and you feel dead brothers and sisters and you feel like you can't really talk to these like you can't really talk to these like you can't really talk to these civilians about it there's nothing in civilians about it there's nothing in civilians about it there's nothing in their experience that would enable you their experience that would enable you their experience that would enable you to have a conversation with them like to have a conversation with them like to have a conversation with them like they they don't even how do you talk to they they don't even how do you talk to they they don't even how do you talk to your new girlfriend about you know your new girlfriend about you know your new girlfriend about you know watching one of your friends legs get watching one of your friends legs get watching one of your friends legs get taken off like there's no conversation taken off like there's no conversation taken off like there's no conversation you could have with them you could have with them you could have with them um um um so I find that typically so I find that typically so I find that typically um um um they do best when they hang out with they do best when they hang out with they do best when they hang out with each other because they have shared each other because they have shared each other because they have shared experience they can talk about these experience they can talk about these experience they can talk about these things things things um um um but I do find that

but I do find that but I do find that most Jiu Jitsu schools have something most Jiu Jitsu schools have something most Jiu Jitsu schools have something like a kind of military barracks like a kind of military barracks like a kind of military barracks demeanor to them of like camaraderie demeanor to them of like camaraderie demeanor to them of like camaraderie hard work shared hard work hard work shared hard work hard work shared hard work um teamwork um teamwork um teamwork uh uh building towards a goal over time uh uh building towards a goal over time uh uh building towards a goal over time the acquisition of skills usually along the acquisition of skills usually along the acquisition of skills usually along with that a kind of with that a kind of with that a kind of want of a better word or rustic and want of a better word or rustic and want of a better word or rustic and primitive sense of humor and and primitive sense of humor and and primitive sense of humor and and um a kind of soldiery way of talking to um a kind of soldiery way of talking to um a kind of soldiery way of talking to each other and disparaging you know each other and disparaging you know each other and disparaging you know self-deprecating sense of humor and it's self-deprecating sense of humor and it's self-deprecating sense of humor and it's something that most people with military something that most people with military something that most people with military service kind of service kind of service kind of naturally come into because it's part of naturally come into because it's part of naturally come into because it's part of what they were in and so it's like a what they were in and so it's like a what they were in and so it's like a toned down version of it which enables toned down version of it which enables toned down version of it which enables them to form a stepping stone between them to form a stepping stone between them to form a stepping stone between the uh the military life that they were the uh the military life that they were the uh the military life that they were in in in all the way down to civilian life and all the way down to civilian life and all the way down to civilian life and Jiu Jitsu is kind of like a bridge Jiu Jitsu is kind of like a bridge Jiu Jitsu is kind of like a bridge between those two and also the honesty between those two and also the honesty between those two and also the honesty so you said like the skill acquisition so you said like the skill acquisition so you said like the skill acquisition the honesty of really testing that skill the honesty of really testing that skill the honesty of really testing that skill there is a deep honesty to war in in there is a deep honesty to war in in there is a deep honesty to war in in this in a distant way this in a distant way this in a distant way but in a way there's an honesty to Jitsu but in a way there's an honesty to Jitsu but in a way there's an honesty to Jitsu deals with technique working and not and deals with technique working and not and deals with technique working and not and there's a final there is simulated death there's a final there is simulated death there's a final there is simulated death it's not real death it's simulated death it's not real death it's simulated death it's not real death it's simulated death on the mat yeah and there's a similar on the mat yeah and there's a similar on the mat yeah and there's a similar kind of honesty there and there's also a kind of honesty there and there's also a kind of honesty there and there's also a similar kind of esteem towards skill

similar kind of esteem towards skill similar kind of esteem towards skill um just as regular soldiers look up to um just as regular soldiers look up to um just as regular soldiers look up to Special Forces soldiers because they see Special Forces soldiers because they see Special Forces soldiers because they see them as people have them as people have them as people have you know greatest skill than themselves you know greatest skill than themselves you know greatest skill than themselves something to Aspire to so too and and something to Aspire to so too and and something to Aspire to so too and and you just like the thing that we esteem you just like the thing that we esteem you just like the thing that we esteem most on an agility matter skill no one most on an agility matter skill no one most on an agility matter skill no one gets a damn what you look like or what gets a damn what you look like or what gets a damn what you look like or what you think that you you judge mostly by you think that you you judge mostly by you think that you you judge mostly by your skill level and your skill level and your skill level and um uh and so they tend to identify with um uh and so they tend to identify with um uh and so they tend to identify with that I do think that um uh most people that I do think that um uh most people that I do think that um uh most people from a military background kind of find from a military background kind of find from a military background kind of find a natural gravitation towards the the a natural gravitation towards the the a natural gravitation towards the the atmosphere of Jiu-Jitsu learning and if atmosphere of Jiu-Jitsu learning and if atmosphere of Jiu-Jitsu learning and if it proves to be a a positive way for it proves to be a a positive way for it proves to be a a positive way for them to to rehabilitate and come back them to to rehabilitate and come back them to to rehabilitate and come back into civilian lives and that's a into civilian lives and that's a into civilian lives and that's a wonderful wonderful thing I know we're wonderful wonderful thing I know we're wonderful wonderful thing I know we're linked with uh we defy which is a an linked with uh we defy which is a an linked with uh we defy which is a an organization which caters to organization which caters to organization which caters to former soldiers who were badly injured former soldiers who were badly injured former soldiers who were badly injured in combat and many of whom lost limbs in combat and many of whom lost limbs in combat and many of whom lost limbs and and and or suffered mental trauma and they come or suffered mental trauma and they come or suffered mental trauma and they come in and train and they often speak very in and train and they often speak very in and train and they often speak very very highly of their degree to which very highly of their degree to which very highly of their degree to which Jujitsu has helped them come back into Jujitsu has helped them come back into Jujitsu has helped them come back into civilian life and and for them it's even civilian life and and for them it's even civilian life and and for them it's even worse because they come back not only worse because they come back not only worse because they come back not only mentally mentally mentally but physically disadvantaged after war but physically disadvantaged after war but physically disadvantaged after war and and and um uh and I've always been proud to be um uh and I've always been proud to be um uh and I've always been proud to be associated with we defy and I'm very associated with we defy and I'm very associated with we defy and I'm very happy to see Tom working with this

happy to see Tom working with this happy to see Tom working with this organization is this an organization organization is this an organization organization is this an organization based in England for English veterans or based in England for English veterans or based in England for English veterans or is it International it's a good question is it International it's a good question is it International it's a good question I'd have to look into it it certainly is I'd have to look into it it certainly is I'd have to look into it it certainly is based uh uh in England but it could be based uh uh in England but it could be based uh uh in England but it could be International International International but it's just nice to see somebody use but it's just nice to see somebody use but it's just nice to see somebody use that large platform yeah and also to that large platform yeah and also to that large platform yeah and also to step on the step on the step on the on the mat and show the kind of Jiu on the mat and show the kind of Jiu on the mat and show the kind of Jiu Jitsu you would probably be proud of Jitsu you would probably be proud of Jitsu you would probably be proud of chasing submissions you got he got an chasing submissions you got he got an chasing submissions you got he got an arm lock he got a straight foot lock arm lock he got a straight foot lock arm lock he got a straight foot lock we're not going to analyze the we're not going to analyze the we're not going to analyze the techniques because you know that could techniques because you know that could techniques because you know that could be uh it doesn't matter different be uh it doesn't matter different be uh it doesn't matter different perspectives it finishes the Finish yeah perspectives it finishes the Finish yeah perspectives it finishes the Finish yeah no that's impressive no that's impressive no that's impressive um he's actually quite an athlete he's um he's actually quite an athlete he's um he's actually quite an athlete he's uh he's in great shape and um uh strong uh he's in great shape and um uh strong uh he's in great shape and um uh strong and flexible and I'm glad he's doing and flexible and I'm glad he's doing and flexible and I'm glad he's doing well with his Jujitsu it's good to see well with his Jujitsu it's good to see well with his Jujitsu it's good to see henzo's smiling face next to him I can henzo's smiling face next to him I can henzo's smiling face next to him I can only imagine the conversations I have to only imagine the conversations I have to only imagine the conversations I have to ask you a uh ask you a uh ask you a uh uh deep and important question you often uh deep and important question you often uh deep and important question you often when we text back and forth send me two when we text back and forth send me two when we text back and forth send me two hugging emojis hugging emojis hugging emojis uh can we psychoanalyze the reason why uh can we psychoanalyze the reason why uh can we psychoanalyze the reason why that's your favorite emoji that's your favorite emoji that's your favorite emoji of the hugging face is that it's it's of the hugging face is that it's it's of the hugging face is that it's it's like it's kind of like sending a heart like it's kind of like sending a heart like it's kind of like sending a heart but like a little bit more yeah it's uh but like a little bit more yeah it's uh but like a little bit more yeah it's uh gender neutral gender neutral gender neutral when Jujitsu plays uh meet each other when Jujitsu plays uh meet each other when Jujitsu plays uh meet each other they often shake hands and then give a they often shake hands and then give a they often shake hands and then give a quick hug so I thought it was the most quick hug so I thought it was the most quick hug so I thought it was the most appropriate Emoji for Judas who plays

appropriate Emoji for Judas who plays appropriate Emoji for Judas who plays I see so it's a pretty simple I see so it's a pretty simple I see so it's a pretty simple explanation nothing too Freudian there explanation nothing too Freudian there explanation nothing too Freudian there are you sure are you sure are you sure quite sure okay have you really asked quite sure okay have you really asked quite sure okay have you really asked yourself deeply because you're really yourself deeply because you're really yourself deeply because you're really lean on an emoji is there something lean on an emoji is there something lean on an emoji is there something behind it tomorrow I'm never getting why behind it tomorrow I'm never getting why behind it tomorrow I'm never getting why is that emoji again is that emoji again is that emoji again walk away I'll shock you tomorrow and walk away I'll shock you tomorrow and walk away I'll shock you tomorrow and hit you with three hit you with three hit you with three three it's almost always two three it's almost always two three it's almost always two I think maybe your creature of habit in I think maybe your creature of habit in I think maybe your creature of habit in communication there's a I'm a creature communication there's a I'm a creature communication there's a I'm a creature of Heaven in almost every aspect of my of Heaven in almost every aspect of my of Heaven in almost every aspect of my life so even emojis life so even emojis life so even emojis yeah you fall into these little pockets yeah you fall into these little pockets yeah you fall into these little pockets of how you communicate how you show of how you communicate how you show of how you communicate how you show affection towards others I sent I say affection towards others I sent I say affection towards others I sent I say love a lot I sent I send hearts and love a lot I sent I send hearts and love a lot I sent I send hearts and don't give a fuck if it's too like don't give a fuck if it's too like don't give a fuck if it's too like you know like in a you know me sending a you know like in a you know me sending a you know like in a you know me sending a message to like a CEO I'm about to message to like a CEO I'm about to message to like a CEO I'm about to interview I'll send a heart I don't give interview I'll send a heart I don't give interview I'll send a heart I don't give a damn a damn a damn they'll probably just like look uh what they'll probably just like look uh what they'll probably just like look uh what is this but uh I think people are is this but uh I think people are is this but uh I think people are two two two afraid of simple afraid of simple afraid of simple communication of affection communication of affection communication of affection like uh it could be in any form but like uh it could be in any form but like uh it could be in any form but there's a hesitance to that because I there's a hesitance to that because I there's a hesitance to that because I think underneath it in order to show think underneath it in order to show think underneath it in order to show affection affection affection you're taking a risk and you're showing you're taking a risk and you're showing you're taking a risk and you're showing vulnerability vulnerability vulnerability because if you show affection and the because if you show affection and the because if you show affection and the other person rejects that affection other person rejects that affection other person rejects that affection you've now placed yourself in a you've now placed yourself in a you've now placed yourself in a hierarchies going back to Lions of like

hierarchies going back to Lions of like hierarchies going back to Lions of like oh this person you're just like the oh this person you're just like the oh this person you're just like the silly weak person and they're the strong silly weak person and they're the strong silly weak person and they're the strong person I think that's called you might person I think that's called you might person I think that's called you might see it I guess but I I don't to me the see it I guess but I I don't to me the see it I guess but I I don't to me the display of vulnerability is a display of display of vulnerability is a display of display of vulnerability is a display of strength strength strength not uh not weakness at least in human not uh not weakness at least in human not uh not weakness at least in human society at least at this time society at least at this time society at least at this time I don't know uh let me ask you about I don't know uh let me ask you about I don't know uh let me ask you about love love love uh you know I must ask John honor about uh you know I must ask John honor about uh you know I must ask John honor about love what do you think is the role of love what do you think is the role of love what do you think is the role of Love In The Human Condition at the Love In The Human Condition at the Love In The Human Condition at the highest philosophical level let me first highest philosophical level let me first highest philosophical level let me first ask what's ask what's ask what's um um um like romantic love romantic love let's like romantic love romantic love let's like romantic love romantic love let's say romantic love I have one or two say romantic love I have one or two say romantic love I have one or two areas of apparent expertise in my life areas of apparent expertise in my life areas of apparent expertise in my life romantic love romantic love romantic love definitely not one of them so like lions definitely not one of them so like lions definitely not one of them so like lions versus Bears I'm good animal combat I'm versus Bears I'm good animal combat I'm versus Bears I'm good animal combat I'm good pretty good at and then different good pretty good at and then different good pretty good at and then different grappling Arts Judo sambo jiu jitsu grappling Arts Judo sambo jiu jitsu grappling Arts Judo sambo jiu jitsu uh wrestling uh for MMA so fighting and uh wrestling uh for MMA so fighting and uh wrestling uh for MMA so fighting and so on romantic love you don't see them so on romantic love you don't see them so on romantic love you don't see them as similar it's a kind of fight as similar it's a kind of fight as similar it's a kind of fight it's a kind of dance by the way there's a sense in which I'm kind of there's a sense in which I'm kind of glad I'm not an expert on that imagine glad I'm not an expert on that imagine glad I'm not an expert on that imagine what it would be what it would be what it would be to be an expert on romantic love you to be an expert on romantic love you to be an expert on romantic love you would take the one thing in life that's would take the one thing in life that's would take the one thing in life that's actually interesting and make it boring actually interesting and make it boring actually interesting and make it boring because you've because you've because you've once you develop an expertise about once you develop an expertise about once you develop an expertise about something you can start to predict how

something you can start to predict how something you can start to predict how things are going to unfold you get things are going to unfold you get things are going to unfold you get answers before events even occur you see answers before events even occur you see answers before events even occur you see you can read into the future of you can read into the future of you can read into the future of everything I think there are certain everything I think there are certain everything I think there are certain parts of human life where you want to be parts of human life where you want to be parts of human life where you want to be a beginner at all times and you don't a beginner at all times and you don't a beginner at all times and you don't want to gain expertise so excellence and want to gain expertise so excellence and want to gain expertise so excellence and systematizing something in order to systematizing something in order to systematizing something in order to achieve Excellence might destroy the achieve Excellence might destroy the achieve Excellence might destroy the very yeah and I think that the the magic very yeah and I think that the the magic very yeah and I think that the the magic of a romantic love is the fact that of a romantic love is the fact that of a romantic love is the fact that we're all beginners at it and the minute we're all beginners at it and the minute we're all beginners at it and the minute you try to gain expertise in it you try to gain expertise in it you try to gain expertise in it what does that even mean like what would what does that even mean like what would what does that even mean like what would it mean to it would be good I didn't it mean to it would be good I didn't it mean to it would be good I didn't think it would I think you're better off think it would I think you're better off think it would I think you're better off just just just having fun with it and plowing through having fun with it and plowing through having fun with it and plowing through and making dumb mistakes and looking and making dumb mistakes and looking and making dumb mistakes and looking like a fool and like a fool and like a fool and um uh and then whatever um uh and then whatever um uh and then whatever success whatever that means comes in a success whatever that means comes in a success whatever that means comes in a kind of light-hearted frivolous kind of kind of light-hearted frivolous kind of kind of light-hearted frivolous kind of way and way and way and um and that I think is um and that I think is um and that I think is over the course of a lifetime far more over the course of a lifetime far more over the course of a lifetime far more desirable than having you know expertise desirable than having you know expertise desirable than having you know expertise and and Affairs of love so I don't think and and Affairs of love so I don't think and and Affairs of love so I don't think it's even a good thing to study too much it's even a good thing to study too much it's even a good thing to study too much and I think if you did you would and I think if you did you would and I think if you did you would actually take something good out of your actually take something good out of your actually take something good out of your life life life yeah there's there's communities that yeah there's there's communities that yeah there's there's communities that people call pickup artists that try to people call pickup artists that try to people call pickup artists that try to optimize optimize optimize this particular aspect which is of this particular aspect which is of this particular aspect which is of dating of of guys picking up girls and dating of of guys picking up girls and dating of of guys picking up girls and turning that into a system and seeing turning that into a system and seeing turning that into a system and seeing what's the most successful I think that what's the most successful I think that what's the most successful I think that would be would be would be I mean maybe the first few months would I mean maybe the first few months would I mean maybe the first few months would be good and then after that I think it be good and then after that I think it be good and then after that I think it would be a disaster would be a disaster would be a disaster um uh I mean

um uh I mean um uh I mean given that given that given that humans have to feel easy to study from a humans have to feel easy to study from a humans have to feel easy to study from a from the standpoint of psychology I'm from the standpoint of psychology I'm from the standpoint of psychology I'm sure it's not that difficult to gain sure it's not that difficult to gain sure it's not that difficult to gain expertise and expertise and expertise and things like picking people up the same things like picking people up the same things like picking people up the same way advertisers can pick up your way advertisers can pick up your way advertisers can pick up your attention to sell a product you can do attention to sell a product you can do attention to sell a product you can do the same thing presumably with romance the same thing presumably with romance the same thing presumably with romance and sex but and sex but and sex but I don't know I feel like I don't know I feel like I don't know I feel like if if you became very good at it if if you became very good at it if if you became very good at it you would end up being very disappointed you would end up being very disappointed you would end up being very disappointed by the results and by the results and by the results and um so as I said I think there's there's um so as I said I think there's there's um so as I said I think there's there's some things in life where it's better to some things in life where it's better to some things in life where it's better to be a beginner and this is one of those be a beginner and this is one of those be a beginner and this is one of those yeah enjoy the chaos the push and pull yeah enjoy the chaos the push and pull yeah enjoy the chaos the push and pull the beginner and make that a lifelong the beginner and make that a lifelong the beginner and make that a lifelong journey that's really inspiring to hear journey that's really inspiring to hear journey that's really inspiring to hear you say that and there's a deep truth to you say that and there's a deep truth to you say that and there's a deep truth to that that also justifies the fact that I that that also justifies the fact that I that that also justifies the fact that I suck at it um I think it also justifies and it um I think it also justifies and it would sell very well that John Donner I would sell very well that John Donner I would sell very well that John Donner I should write a book on dating and that should write a book on dating and that should write a book on dating and that would be chapter one Embrace being a would be chapter one Embrace being a would be chapter one Embrace being a beginner chapter two will be bear versus beginner chapter two will be bear versus beginner chapter two will be bear versus lion lion lion pivot quickly to Violence by the way we pivot quickly to Violence by the way we pivot quickly to Violence by the way we totally skipped over Anaconda totally skipped over Anaconda totally skipped over Anaconda I I assumed the implied I I assumed the implied I I assumed the implied I'll I'll put it to this way I'll I'll put it to this way I'll I'll put it to this way on video you can watch Puma yeah and and on video you can watch Puma yeah and and on video you can watch Puma yeah and and um uh similar sized cats um uh similar sized cats um uh similar sized cats uh Jaguar destroy anacondas even in

uh Jaguar destroy anacondas even in uh Jaguar destroy anacondas even in water which is the anaconda's preferred water which is the anaconda's preferred water which is the anaconda's preferred domain so domain so domain so given that given that given that puma and and jaguar are several orders puma and and jaguar are several orders puma and and jaguar are several orders below lion you have to go with the idea below lion you have to go with the idea below lion you have to go with the idea that a lion would utterly decimate that a lion would utterly decimate that a lion would utterly decimate Anaconda so it's probably good that we Anaconda so it's probably good that we Anaconda so it's probably good that we did skip over it and I think uh going did skip over it and I think uh going did skip over it and I think uh going back to the original thought that you back to the original thought that you back to the original thought that you had about this don't trust your first had about this don't trust your first had about this don't trust your first instinct also think about the other instinct also think about the other instinct also think about the other elements an anaconda has no ability to elements an anaconda has no ability to elements an anaconda has no ability to disengage from the fight disengage from the fight disengage from the fight once the flight's on It's gotta go until once the flight's on It's gotta go until once the flight's on It's gotta go until the end it has no ability to disengage the end it has no ability to disengage the end it has no ability to disengage and get away and get away and get away um its only hope would be Ambush and um its only hope would be Ambush and um its only hope would be Ambush and it's got it's got it's got a tiny tiny chance against a tiny tiny chance against a tiny tiny chance against yeah a truly formidable animal and the yeah a truly formidable animal and the yeah a truly formidable animal and the fact that if we look at actual concrete fact that if we look at actual concrete fact that if we look at actual concrete real world results when when puma and real world results when when puma and real world results when when puma and jaguar are kicking their ass you know jaguar are kicking their ass you know jaguar are kicking their ass you know lion and bear it's going to be a lot lion and bear it's going to be a lot lion and bear it's going to be a lot worse worse worse science is not to be found on YouTube or science is not to be found on YouTube or science is not to be found on YouTube or rather YouTube is not science I bet you rather YouTube is not science I bet you rather YouTube is not science I bet you there's a bear there's a bear there's a bear somewhere in Canada that has seen some somewhere in Canada that has seen some somewhere in Canada that has seen some shit I'm just gonna leave it at that shit I'm just gonna leave it at that shit I'm just gonna leave it at that uh you're a fan of knives there's there's guys like Miyamoto Musashi who guys like Miyamoto Musashi who guys like Miyamoto Musashi who instead of doing who's number one type instead of doing who's number one type instead of doing who's number one type of tournaments when both competitors of tournaments when both competitors of tournaments when both competitors walk away only one competitor walks away walk away only one competitor walks away walk away only one competitor walks away miyamoro Musashi is is known for

miyamoro Musashi is is known for miyamoro Musashi is is known for somebody having uh John Donahoe like somebody having uh John Donahoe like somebody having uh John Donahoe like philosophical philosophical philosophical skills but also is known skills but also is known skills but also is known for uh having fought 61 duels to the for uh having fought 61 duels to the for uh having fought 61 duels to the death and won them correct obviously death and won them correct obviously death and won them correct obviously what do you think made him so good I what do you think made him so good I what do you think made him so good I don't feel qualified to talk about him don't feel qualified to talk about him don't feel qualified to talk about him because I haven't made an in-depth study because I haven't made an in-depth study because I haven't made an in-depth study of his life and times and of his life and times and of his life and times and um uh we also don't know um uh we also don't know um uh we also don't know how much truth there is to his how much truth there is to his how much truth there is to his Recollections and there's a lot of Recollections and there's a lot of Recollections and there's a lot of controversy over this so I don't feel controversy over this so I don't feel controversy over this so I don't feel like you can give it like a definitive like you can give it like a definitive like you can give it like a definitive statement of uh and certainly I can't statement of uh and certainly I can't statement of uh and certainly I can't give a definitive statement of of give a definitive statement of of give a definitive statement of of um uh of his prowess but um his writings um uh of his prowess but um his writings um uh of his prowess but um his writings are fascinating and deeply insightful are fascinating and deeply insightful are fascinating and deeply insightful but as to like what actually happened but as to like what actually happened but as to like what actually happened out there in his deals it's unclear but out there in his deals it's unclear but out there in his deals it's unclear but there is you know with guys like that there is you know with guys like that there is you know with guys like that you almost certainly know that they War you almost certainly know that they War you almost certainly know that they War people people people like the character he projects that have like the character he projects that have like the character he projects that have existed yeah whether it's 61 whether existed yeah whether it's 61 whether existed yeah whether it's 61 whether it's 20 but people really put their life it's 20 but people really put their life it's 20 but people really put their life in the line in the line in the line in a different time in human history is in a different time in human history is in a different time in human history is there something compelling to you about there something compelling to you about there something compelling to you about fighting to the death I think it's not fighting to the death I think it's not fighting to the death I think it's not just compelling to me but to anyone I just compelling to me but to anyone I just compelling to me but to anyone I mean there's nothing we value more than mean there's nothing we value more than mean there's nothing we value more than our than our lives and to be able to say our than our lives and to be able to say our than our lives and to be able to say I'm I'm prepared to die I'm I'm prepared to die I'm I'm prepared to die for a sense of Honor things that are so for a sense of Honor things that are so for a sense of Honor things that are so foreign to our modern society foreign to our modern society foreign to our modern society um imagine you know we criticize people

um imagine you know we criticize people um imagine you know we criticize people for something as simple as like road for something as simple as like road for something as simple as like road rage and yet you can imagine someone rage and yet you can imagine someone rage and yet you can imagine someone who is a sufficiently developed sense of who is a sufficiently developed sense of who is a sufficiently developed sense of Honor you know if you took them out of Honor you know if you took them out of Honor you know if you took them out of the 17th century and put them in a the 17th century and put them in a the 17th century and put them in a modern car they might be killing people modern car they might be killing people modern car they might be killing people on the side of the road on a regular on the side of the road on a regular on the side of the road on a regular basis just over smaller stacks of honor basis just over smaller stacks of honor basis just over smaller stacks of honor to say that your yours your sense of to say that your yours your sense of to say that your yours your sense of self overwhelms your sense of self overwhelms your sense of self overwhelms your sense of self-preservation it's a very unusual self-preservation it's a very unusual self-preservation it's a very unusual thing in the Modern Age and yet it thing in the Modern Age and yet it thing in the Modern Age and yet it appears to have been quite common back appears to have been quite common back appears to have been quite common back then then then you often wear a fanny pack I'm not you often wear a fanny pack I'm not you often wear a fanny pack I'm not going to ask you what's inside the fanny going to ask you what's inside the fanny going to ask you what's inside the fanny pack but if you were to design a perfect pack but if you were to design a perfect pack but if you were to design a perfect killing machine that also wore a Fanning killing machine that also wore a Fanning killing machine that also wore a Fanning pack what would you put pack what would you put pack what would you put in that fanny pack would it be something in that fanny pack would it be something in that fanny pack would it be something mundane and practical or would it be mundane and practical or would it be mundane and practical or would it be something something something surprising and hilarious surprising and hilarious surprising and hilarious uh would it be uh would it be uh would it be uh something of philosophical uh something of philosophical uh something of philosophical significance or maybe sentimental significance or maybe sentimental significance or maybe sentimental significance or would be empty as a significance or would be empty as a significance or would be empty as a troll on human civilization but if it troll on human civilization but if it troll on human civilization but if it was a perfect killing machine it would was a perfect killing machine it would was a perfect killing machine it would have to be some kind of weapon have to be some kind of weapon have to be some kind of weapon but in a fanny pack but in a fanny pack but in a fanny pack is it inward has to be a very compact is it inward has to be a very compact is it inward has to be a very compact weapon we mentioned Offline that there's also we mentioned Offline that there's also things in the Chess World where there is things in the Chess World where there is things in the Chess World where there is a different kind of vibrating devices a different kind of vibrating devices a different kind of vibrating devices that could be used to uh that could be used to uh that could be used to uh communicate information

communicate information communicate information in communication with AI systems that in communication with AI systems that in communication with AI systems that can help you in your particular Pursuit can help you in your particular Pursuit can help you in your particular Pursuit I don't think in Jiu Jitsu you need I don't think in Jiu Jitsu you need I don't think in Jiu Jitsu you need is possible for a machine to give you is possible for a machine to give you is possible for a machine to give you information that gives you advantage information that gives you advantage information that gives you advantage you can in chess and in poker so you you can in chess and in poker so you you can in chess and in poker so you could put one of those vibrating devices could put one of those vibrating devices could put one of those vibrating devices in your fanny pack playing Jiu Jitsu in your fanny pack playing Jiu Jitsu in your fanny pack playing Jiu Jitsu would not help you would not help you would not help you um um um any idea what kind of weapon any idea what kind of weapon any idea what kind of weapon fit in a fanny pack fit in a fanny pack fit in a fanny pack so you're a fan of knives where's the so you're a fan of knives where's the so you're a fan of knives where's the interesting guys come from by the way oh interesting guys come from by the way oh interesting guys come from by the way oh that's more metaphorical that's more metaphorical that's more metaphorical um uh the truth is that in the modern um uh the truth is that in the modern um uh the truth is that in the modern world a knife is not an efficient weapon world a knife is not an efficient weapon world a knife is not an efficient weapon it'll easily be overwhelmed by Firearms it'll easily be overwhelmed by Firearms it'll easily be overwhelmed by Firearms um my fascination with with knives comes um my fascination with with knives comes um my fascination with with knives comes more in the sense that they they convey more in the sense that they they convey more in the sense that they they convey a spirit to my students where a spirit to my students where a spirit to my students where a knife a knife a knife is made of steel and steel begins as ore is made of steel and steel begins as ore is made of steel and steel begins as ore in the ground it's in the ground it's in the ground it's an ugly an ugly an ugly unfinished product which unfinished product which unfinished product which through the enactment of knowledge time through the enactment of knowledge time through the enactment of knowledge time and discipline can be transformed into and discipline can be transformed into and discipline can be transformed into beautiful shining steel it can have beautiful shining steel it can have beautiful shining steel it can have something which it begins as something something which it begins as something something which it begins as something which has no real function and becomes which has no real function and becomes which has no real function and becomes one of the most functional and important one of the most functional and important one of the most functional and important Tools in all of human history without Tools in all of human history without Tools in all of human history without which human civilization could never which human civilization could never which human civilization could never have even begun it's what separated have even begun it's what separated have even begun it's what separated humans and took us from the bottom of humans and took us from the bottom of humans and took us from the bottom of the food chain and began our gradual the food chain and began our gradual the food chain and began our gradual rise towards the top of the food chain rise towards the top of the food chain rise towards the top of the food chain so it has immense historical and

so it has immense historical and so it has immense historical and cultural value but it has this cultural value but it has this cultural value but it has this metaphorical value insofar as the metaphorical value insofar as the metaphorical value insofar as the martial artist begins as a Wipeout like martial artist begins as a Wipeout like martial artist begins as a Wipeout like iron ore but over time transforms into iron ore but over time transforms into iron ore but over time transforms into some beautiful shining Steel some beautiful shining Steel some beautiful shining Steel which can have immense value which can have immense value which can have immense value um um um in addition there's a sense of of in addition there's a sense of of in addition there's a sense of of Maintenance as remarkable as steel is Maintenance as remarkable as steel is Maintenance as remarkable as steel is it is in need of constant maintenance it it is in need of constant maintenance it it is in need of constant maintenance it will fall apart through rust and neglect will fall apart through rust and neglect will fall apart through rust and neglect will destroy a blade both in terms of will destroy a blade both in terms of will destroy a blade both in terms of rust and the edge falling apart and so rust and the edge falling apart and so rust and the edge falling apart and so just as the martial artist it's not good just as the martial artist it's not good just as the martial artist it's not good enough just to to learn the techniques enough just to to learn the techniques enough just to to learn the techniques you need to maintain them over time you need to maintain them over time you need to maintain them over time and just as steel as perishable so too and just as steel as perishable so too and just as steel as perishable so too are the skills of martial arts and that are the skills of martial arts and that are the skills of martial arts and that when I give a gift of a knife to a when I give a gift of a knife to a when I give a gift of a knife to a student these metaphorical elements student these metaphorical elements student these metaphorical elements start to emerge they see okay I began as start to emerge they see okay I began as start to emerge they see okay I began as iron ore and I want to become the iron ore and I want to become the iron ore and I want to become the finished blade finished blade finished blade um um um there's another sense in which there's another sense in which there's another sense in which a knife is morally neutral a knife is morally neutral a knife is morally neutral a knife can be used to Save a Life it a knife can be used to Save a Life it a knife can be used to Save a Life it can be used to cook a meal can be used to cook a meal can be used to cook a meal but it can also be used for murder for but it can also be used for murder for but it can also be used for murder for the worst possible purposes the worst possible purposes the worst possible purposes um Jiu Jitsu is the same way um Jiu Jitsu is the same way um Jiu Jitsu is the same way Jiu Jitsu can make you a better person Jiu Jitsu can make you a better person Jiu Jitsu can make you a better person it can make you a worse person Judas was it can make you a worse person Judas was it can make you a worse person Judas was just a power it's not a particularly just a power it's not a particularly just a power it's not a particularly great power but it is a power and like great power but it is a power and like great power but it is a power and like all power it can be used for both good

all power it can be used for both good all power it can be used for both good and bad it's morally neutral in itself and bad it's morally neutral in itself and bad it's morally neutral in itself and it's up to us to make sure that just and it's up to us to make sure that just and it's up to us to make sure that just as the knife gets used for good purposes as the knife gets used for good purposes as the knife gets used for good purposes rather than bad so to let Jiu Jitsu be rather than bad so to let Jiu Jitsu be rather than bad so to let Jiu Jitsu be used for good purposes rather than bad used for good purposes rather than bad used for good purposes rather than bad there's also an element where there's also an element where there's also an element where the basis of the knife is steel the basis of the knife is steel the basis of the knife is steel and historically there's always been a and historically there's always been a and historically there's always been a riddle of Steel which is riddle of Steel which is riddle of Steel which is still has the property of both still has the property of both still has the property of both hardness and suppleness hardness and suppleness hardness and suppleness the harder you make steel the harder you make steel the harder you make steel the better it's Edge retention becomes the better it's Edge retention becomes the better it's Edge retention becomes the longer that edge will stay sharp the longer that edge will stay sharp the longer that edge will stay sharp this is good but it comes at a price this is good but it comes at a price this is good but it comes at a price the harder you make steel the more the harder you make steel the more the harder you make steel the more brittle it becomes brittle it becomes brittle it becomes and now that edge and now that edge and now that edge can be damaged easily so the solution is to make the steel so the solution is to make the steel softer more malleable that will prevent softer more malleable that will prevent softer more malleable that will prevent breakage of the blade and breakage of the blade and breakage of the blade and chipping of the edge chipping of the edge chipping of the edge but when you make the steel softer that but when you make the steel softer that but when you make the steel softer that comes at a price and that price is now comes at a price and that price is now comes at a price and that price is now the edge loses its uh its its sharpness the edge loses its uh its its sharpness the edge loses its uh its its sharpness very easily very easily very easily and so and so and so the riddle of Steel is how to the riddle of Steel is how to the riddle of Steel is how to work with these two to the greatest work with these two to the greatest work with these two to the greatest degree possible and create an edge which degree possible and create an edge which degree possible and create an edge which is hard enough to stay sharp for long is hard enough to stay sharp for long is hard enough to stay sharp for long periods of time but without making the periods of time but without making the periods of time but without making the steel so brittle that the blade overall

steel so brittle that the blade overall steel so brittle that the blade overall is compromised is compromised is compromised so too in Jiu-Jitsu so too in Jiu-Jitsu so too in Jiu-Jitsu your task and training is to make the your task and training is to make the your task and training is to make the training competitive enough that you training competitive enough that you training competitive enough that you actually get used to the rigors of of actually get used to the rigors of of actually get used to the rigors of of real Combat real Combat real Combat but on the other hand it can't be so but on the other hand it can't be so but on the other hand it can't be so brutal that the athletes get broken down brutal that the athletes get broken down brutal that the athletes get broken down on the gym to a point where they're no on the gym to a point where they're no on the gym to a point where they're no longer effective longer effective longer effective and so this duality of hardness and and so this duality of hardness and and so this duality of hardness and softness which we see in the case of softness which we see in the case of softness which we see in the case of blades is there in the training of the blades is there in the training of the blades is there in the training of the Jiu Jitsu athlete so I often give a gift Jiu Jitsu athlete so I often give a gift Jiu Jitsu athlete so I often give a gift of a knife of a knife of a knife to a student when they've done something to a student when they've done something to a student when they've done something significant because it demonstrates in a significant because it demonstrates in a significant because it demonstrates in a metaphorical way these key themes of the metaphorical way these key themes of the metaphorical way these key themes of the sport sport sport well I've been honored to be well I've been honored to be well I've been honored to be a student of yours I've been plagued by a student of yours I've been plagued by a student of yours I've been plagued by injury injury injury but I hope to one day earn one such but I hope to one day earn one such but I hope to one day earn one such knife and I think that's a really knife and I think that's a really knife and I think that's a really powerful metaphor I'm really honored powerful metaphor I'm really honored powerful metaphor I'm really honored that you would spend any time with me in that you would spend any time with me in that you would spend any time with me in any context but especially on the mat any context but especially on the mat any context but especially on the mat and especially today in conversation and especially today in conversation and especially today in conversation John you're an incredible person thank John you're an incredible person thank John you're an incredible person thank you for everything you do you for everything you do you for everything you do congratulations congratulations congratulations for historic accomplishment it's always for historic accomplishment it's always for historic accomplishment it's always beautiful and inspiring to see greatness beautiful and inspiring to see greatness beautiful and inspiring to see greatness and what what I saw what we saw at ADCC and what what I saw what we saw at ADCC and what what I saw what we saw at ADCC was greatness rare greatness and it's was greatness rare greatness and it's was greatness rare greatness and it's beautiful to see that humans can achieve beautiful to see that humans can achieve beautiful to see that humans can achieve that kind of thing so thank you for for that kind of thing so thank you for for that kind of thing so thank you for for making that happen and thank you for making that happen and thank you for making that happen and thank you for talking today thank you legs

talking today thank you legs talking today thank you legs thanks for listening to this thanks for listening to this thanks for listening to this conversation with John donaher to conversation with John donaher to conversation with John donaher to support this podcast please check out support this podcast please check out support this podcast please check out our sponsors in the description our sponsors in the description our sponsors in the description and now let me leave you some words for and now let me leave you some words for and now let me leave you some words for Miyamoto Musashi Miyamoto Musashi Miyamoto Musashi the only reason a warrior is alive is the only reason a warrior is alive is the only reason a warrior is alive is the fight the fight the fight and the only reason a warrior fights is and the only reason a warrior fights is and the only reason a warrior fights is to win to win to win thank you for listening and hope to see thank you for listening and hope to see thank you for listening and hope to see you next time