EPISODE 12 - Scott & Mark Learn To… Reputate

[Music] [Music] fresh haircut cuz that's crisp. You've fresh haircut cuz that's crisp. You've fresh haircut cuz that's crisp. You've changed it. You're a little high and changed it. You're a little high and changed it. You're a little high and tight today. It looks very good. Thank tight today. It looks very good. Thank tight today. It looks very good. Thank you. When did you get this? I didn't. you. When did you get this? I didn't. you. When did you get this? I didn't. It's not a new haircut. I just sty I It's not a new haircut. I just sty I It's not a new haircut. I just sty I just You actually put some crap in your just You actually put some crap in your just You actually put some crap in your hair cuz it looks amazing. I did. Thank hair cuz it looks amazing. I did. Thank hair cuz it looks amazing. I did. Thank you. Keep it up. That for future. It's you. Keep it up. That for future. It's you. Keep it up. That for future. It's so thick and so thick and so thick and lustrous. Mark is good at managing up. lustrous. Mark is good at managing up. lustrous. Mark is good at managing up. Actually, I learn from you about that. Actually, I learn from you about that. Actually, I learn from you about that. You manage up. I I don't I just You just You manage up. I I don't I just You just You manage up. I I don't I just You just email people randomly like, "Hey, Brad, email people randomly like, "Hey, Brad, email people randomly like, "Hey, Brad, meet me." Yeah. meet me." Yeah. meet me." Yeah. But that's is that is that is that your But that's is that is that is that your But that's is that is that is that your personality that allows you to do that personality that allows you to do that personality that allows you to do that or your title? I think title and or your title? I think title and or your title? I think title and reputation. reputation. reputation. The reputation thing. Scott and Mark The reputation thing. Scott and Mark The reputation thing. Scott and Mark learned to build reputation. How about learned to build reputation. How about learned to build reputation. How about Scott and Mark learned to reputate? Scott and Mark learned to reputate? Scott and Mark learned to reputate? Okay. Yes, dude. Let's start right now. Okay. Yes, dude. Let's start right now. Okay. Yes, dude. Let's start right now. [Music] [Music] [Music] check this out. Okay, so Mark, true check this out. Okay, so Mark, true check this out. Okay, so Mark, true story. True story. Uh I was talking to a story. True story. Uh I was talking to a story. True story. Uh I was talking to a a very very nice mid-level PM about some a very very nice mid-level PM about some a very very nice mid-level PM about some NPU technical specific stuff and uh I'm NPU technical specific stuff and uh I'm NPU technical specific stuff and uh I'm not plugged into that organization but not plugged into that organization but not plugged into that organization but they wanted to get a small language they wanted to get a small language they wanted to get a small language model running and we were talking about model running and we were talking about model running and we were talking about how the Onyx runtime does quantization how the Onyx runtime does quantization how the Onyx runtime does quantization and it was just a whole thing and he's and it was just a whole thing and he's and it was just a whole thing and he's like yeah I think so and so this like yeah I think so and so this like yeah I think so and so this distinguished engineer is working on distinguished engineer is working on distinguished engineer is working on that d and I said oh let's chat him. So

that d and I said oh let's chat him. So that d and I said oh let's chat him. So before that person could um stop me, I before that person could um stop me, I before that person could um stop me, I looked the guy up and I started chatting looked the guy up and I started chatting looked the guy up and I started chatting him and I added asked a very precise him and I added asked a very precise him and I added asked a very precise kind of almost like sniper rifle precise kind of almost like sniper rifle precise kind of almost like sniper rifle precise question. I nerd sniped the guy and he question. I nerd sniped the guy and he question. I nerd sniped the guy and he answered immediately like and basically answered immediately like and basically answered immediately like and basically I shared my screen and I the eyeball I shared my screen and I the eyeball I shared my screen and I the eyeball popped down like the team's eyeball popped down like the team's eyeball popped down like the team's eyeball which indicates the guy's seen it and which indicates the guy's seen it and which indicates the guy's seen it and the buddy the the guy I was talking to the buddy the the guy I was talking to the buddy the the guy I was talking to was like do you know him and I'm like no was like do you know him and I'm like no was like do you know him and I'm like no I don't know him like why are you you I don't know him like why are you you I don't know him like why are you you probably should have asked his admin or probably should have asked his admin or probably should have asked his admin or talked to someone before like well he's talked to someone before like well he's talked to someone before like well he's a human being he's interested in the a human being he's interested in the a human being he's interested in the topic it's a good question let's ask the topic it's a good question let's ask the topic it's a good question let's ask the guy and then it turned into this really guy and then it turned into this really guy and then it turned into this really interesting long half an hour interesting long half an hour interesting long half an hour conversation the someone I've never met conversation the someone I've never met conversation the someone I've never met before. And the takeaway here was that before. And the takeaway here was that before. And the takeaway here was that the senior PM that I was talking to said the senior PM that I was talking to said the senior PM that I was talking to said that they never felt empowered to do that they never felt empowered to do that they never felt empowered to do that. So then the question was, was it that. So then the question was, was it that. So then the question was, was it my level, my name, my reputation that my level, my name, my reputation that my level, my name, my reputation that enabled me to talk to a enabled me to talk to a enabled me to talk to a rando that I didn't know? Cuz I assume rando that I didn't know? Cuz I assume rando that I didn't know? Cuz I assume you, Mark, feel like you could talk to you, Mark, feel like you could talk to you, Mark, feel like you could talk to anyone in Microsoft. You could chat anyone in Microsoft. You could chat anyone in Microsoft. You could chat anyone. You're not going to Yeah. not anyone. You're not going to Yeah. not anyone. You're not going to Yeah. not chat someone. And are you doing it chat someone. And are you doing it chat someone. And are you doing it because you've been in tech for so long?

because you've been in tech for so long? because you've been in tech for so long? And how does someone build up that if And how does someone build up that if And how does someone build up that if they are a a middle of the bell curve uh they are a a middle of the bell curve uh they are a a middle of the bell curve uh in their career engineer? in their career engineer? in their career engineer? Um it is because of my title seniority Um it is because of my title seniority Um it is because of my title seniority in the company and reputation that I'm in the company and reputation that I'm in the company and reputation that I'm that I feel like I can do that and you that I feel like I can do that and you that I feel like I can do that and you know I know that I'm not bothering know I know that I'm not bothering know I know that I'm not bothering people with randomness. I do that by people with randomness. I do that by people with randomness. I do that by people in random parts of the company people in random parts of the company people in random parts of the company with random requests that I just don't with random requests that I just don't with random requests that I just don't respond to. I'm like who? You just let respond to. I'm like who? You just let respond to. I'm like who? You just let the eyeball stay there. The team's the eyeball stay there. The team's the eyeball stay there. The team's eyeball. Yeah. I actually, you know, I eyeball. Yeah. I actually, you know, I eyeball. Yeah. I actually, you know, I think you can mark You can go and change think you can mark You can go and change think you can mark You can go and change it so it looks unread. I do that too. it so it looks unread. I do that too. it so it looks unread. I do that too. People don't I that is that bad? I like People don't I that is that bad? I like People don't I that is that bad? I like right click on the thing and move it right click on the thing and move it right click on the thing and move it back. Move the eyeball back up. Yeah. Uh back. Move the eyeball back up. Yeah. Uh back. Move the eyeball back up. Yeah. Uh it is I feel dirty. I've never really it is I feel dirty. I've never really it is I feel dirty. I've never really done it. I just discovered one that you done it. I just discovered one that you done it. I just discovered one that you think about that. Yeah. But then I'm think about that. Yeah. But then I'm think about that. Yeah. But then I'm like, should I do that? I do that with like, should I do that? I do that with like, should I do that? I do that with you all the time. You just never have you all the time. You just never have you all the time. You just never have known. known. known. But we've talked about level privilege, But we've talked about level privilege, But we've talked about level privilege, right? There's all the different right? There's all the different right? There's all the different privilege about being in tech for a long privilege about being in tech for a long privilege about being in tech for a long time. Like a lot of time you just have time. Like a lot of time you just have time. Like a lot of time you just have to build up reputation. People know you.

to build up reputation. People know you. to build up reputation. People know you. But I think the thing that you just said But I think the thing that you just said But I think the thing that you just said that was so significant that that that was so significant that that that was so significant that that clicked is I know I'm not bothering them clicked is I know I'm not bothering them clicked is I know I'm not bothering them with randomness. Yeah. I don't like it with randomness. Yeah. I don't like it with randomness. Yeah. I don't like it when someone teams me and they could when someone teams me and they could when someone teams me and they could have Googled. Absolutely. And that's have Googled. Absolutely. And that's have Googled. Absolutely. And that's happened to me a few times. Or they're happened to me a few times. Or they're happened to me a few times. Or they're like, "Hey, who's the person I should like, "Hey, who's the person I should like, "Hey, who's the person I should talk to about this?" Or, "Where do I talk to about this?" Or, "Where do I talk to about this?" Or, "Where do I find information about that?" Or you find information about that?" Or you find information about that?" Or you said something. Oh, here's another one. said something. Oh, here's another one. said something. Oh, here's another one. I saw gave a talk. Where's the deck? And I saw gave a talk. Where's the deck? And I saw gave a talk. Where's the deck? And it's just some random person. Yeah. it's just some random person. Yeah. it's just some random person. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I don't have time to, Yeah. I'm like, I don't have time to, Yeah. I'm like, I don't have time to, you know, answer people with where's the you know, answer people with where's the you know, answer people with where's the deck when you could go find where the deck when you could go find where the deck when you could go find where the deck is. deck is. deck is. Exactly. I'm looking at this chat here Exactly. I'm looking at this chat here Exactly. I'm looking at this chat here and I'm making sure the one that I and I'm making sure the one that I and I'm making sure the one that I talked about and I'm looking to make talked about and I'm looking to make talked about and I'm looking to make sure I didn't waste this guy's time. No, sure I didn't waste this guy's time. No, sure I didn't waste this guy's time. No, it was a very clean technical paragraph it was a very clean technical paragraph it was a very clean technical paragraph with a it was a good starter. There was with a it was a good starter. There was with a it was a good starter. There was nothing randomizing and it was nothing randomizing and it was nothing randomizing and it was But I think it's okay to say no. And I But I think it's okay to say no. And I But I think it's okay to say no. And I think that like you don't need to be think that like you don't need to be think that like you don't need to be mean about it. You just say I'm probably mean about it. You just say I'm probably mean about it. You just say I'm probably not the person to answer that, you know?

not the person to answer that, you know? not the person to answer that, you know? Yeah. Or or or it's just tough to say Yeah. Or or or it's just tough to say Yeah. Or or or it's just tough to say like you shouldn't have bothered me with like you shouldn't have bothered me with like you shouldn't have bothered me with this. And that's why I would never say this. And that's why I would never say this. And that's why I would never say that out loud even though I'm saying it that out loud even though I'm saying it that out loud even though I'm saying it on a podcast. Like you should know on a podcast. Like you should know on a podcast. Like you should know better than to bother me with that. better than to bother me with that. better than to bother me with that. Sounds very snoody. But what you're Sounds very snoody. But what you're Sounds very snoody. But what you're really saying is that you should be really saying is that you should be really saying is that you should be really sure that I'm the right person to really sure that I'm the right person to really sure that I'm the right person to answer that and that you should be answer that and that you should be answer that and that you should be really sure that uh you've exhausted all really sure that uh you've exhausted all really sure that uh you've exhausted all reasonable Googling before you got to reasonable Googling before you got to reasonable Googling before you got to me. So in the example I gave I asked the me. So in the example I gave I asked the me. So in the example I gave I asked the right person and it was squarely in right person and it was squarely in right person and it was squarely in their expertise. their expertise. their expertise. So I felt emboldened to do it. And you So I felt emboldened to do it. And you So I felt emboldened to do it. And you would actually uh so if somebody is would actually uh so if somebody is would actually uh so if somebody is asking me some random thing where I'm asking me some random thing where I'm asking me some random thing where I'm like I'm not the right person to do this like I'm not the right person to do this like I'm not the right person to do this um to answer this or you could have done um to answer this or you could have done um to answer this or you could have done the work and answered it yourself some the work and answered it yourself some the work and answered it yourself some other way. I just won't answer it. So other way. I just won't answer it. So other way. I just won't answer it. So you just leave them on red. I just leave you just leave them on red. I just leave you just leave them on red. I just leave them on red. them on red. them on red. Well I leave them red. They can see that Well I leave them red. They can see that Well I leave them red. They can see that I read it but I just don't answer. I read it but I just don't answer. I read it but I just don't answer. Right. Right. Yeah. That means leave Right. Right. Yeah. That means leave Right. Right. Yeah. That means leave them on red. red is the little blue them on red. red is the little blue them on red. red is the little blue check in WhatsApp or the red thing on check in WhatsApp or the red thing on check in WhatsApp or the red thing on the eyeballs in Teams or the red on the eyeballs in Teams or the red on the eyeballs in Teams or the red on iMessage. You're basically saying, "I've iMessage. You're basically saying, "I've iMessage. You're basically saying, "I've seen it and I care not." And that's I seen it and I care not." And that's I seen it and I care not." And that's I wonder karmically if that's going to wonder karmically if that's going to wonder karmically if that's going to burn you in the future. Why burn you in the future. Why burn you in the future. Why would I just because you always hear would I just because you always hear would I just because you always hear about like Paul Rudd and all these cool about like Paul Rudd and all these cool about like Paul Rudd and all these cool amazing, you know, like famous people amazing, you know, like famous people amazing, you know, like famous people that are like and they were so sweet to that are like and they were so sweet to that are like and they were so sweet to me when I bumped into them and me when I bumped into them and me when I bumped into them and interrupted them in the middle of their interrupted them in the middle of their interrupted them in the middle of their dinner with their wife and took a dinner with their wife and took a dinner with their wife and took a picture. If if I see somebody, you know, picture. If if I see somebody, you know, picture. If if I see somebody, you know, and I mean, you've seen like if we're and I mean, you've seen like if we're and I mean, you've seen like if we're walking around a conference and people

walking around a conference and people walking around a conference and people are, "Hey, how's it going?" You know, are, "Hey, how's it going?" You know, are, "Hey, how's it going?" You know, "Hey, Mark, can I take a selfie?" or "Hey, Mark, can I take a selfie?" or "Hey, Mark, can I take a selfie?" or whatever. Yeah. They don't usually say, whatever. Yeah. They don't usually say, whatever. Yeah. They don't usually say, "I teamed you and you left me on red." "I teamed you and you left me on red." "I teamed you and you left me on red." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and there's been I mean, like I Um, and there's been I mean, like I Um, and there's been I mean, like I said, I I've throughout my career when said, I I've throughout my career when said, I I've throughout my career when people email me people email me people email me thoughtful questions or thoughtful questions or thoughtful questions or comments, I respond to them to the point comments, I respond to them to the point comments, I respond to them to the point where I get like even at the last where I get like even at the last where I get like even at the last ignite, uh, somebody coming up to say, I ignite, uh, somebody coming up to say, I ignite, uh, somebody coming up to say, I remember I I emailed you once 15 years remember I I emailed you once 15 years remember I I emailed you once 15 years ago and you answered me. Dude, that ago and you answered me. Dude, that ago and you answered me. Dude, that happens so much. Thoughtful questions. happens so much. Thoughtful questions. happens so much. Thoughtful questions. And I think this is what we're trying to And I think this is what we're trying to And I think this is what we're trying to get back to the point on is you build get back to the point on is you build get back to the point on is you build influence by asking thoughtful influence by asking thoughtful influence by asking thoughtful questions. You did your homework. Like I questions. You did your homework. Like I questions. You did your homework. Like I think about it in the terms of the think about it in the terms of the think about it in the terms of the Donald Kuth reward checks. You remember Donald Kuth reward checks. You remember Donald Kuth reward checks. You remember those? No, I don't remember. Oh, yeah. those? No, I don't remember. Oh, yeah. those? No, I don't remember. Oh, yeah. With for finding bugs in his book. Are With for finding bugs in his book. Are With for finding bugs in his book. Are you doing email now? Yeah. Yeah. So Kuth you doing email now? Yeah. Yeah. So Kuth you doing email now? Yeah. Yeah. So Kuth is like a computer scientist. He won is like a computer scientist. He won is like a computer scientist. He won like the touring award like the year I like the touring award like the year I like the touring award like the year I was born. It's like the Nobel Prize of was born. It's like the Nobel Prize of was born. It's like the Nobel Prize of computer science, right? And he wrote computer science, right? And he wrote computer science, right? And he wrote the art of computer programming. And the art of computer programming. And the art of computer programming. And he's still around. He's like 87. And he he's still around. He's like 87. And he he's still around. He's like 87. And he would write would write would write checks to people when they found a bug.

checks to people when they found a bug. checks to people when they found a bug. And the the dollars would be like And the the dollars would be like And the the dollars would be like $2.56 or $1. And if you found a bug or $2.56 or $1. And if you found a bug or $2.56 or $1. And if you found a bug or an error in any of his books, it could an error in any of his books, it could an error in any of his books, it could be a typo, but it's more glamorous to be a typo, but it's more glamorous to be a typo, but it's more glamorous to like find an actual technical thing. He like find an actual technical thing. He like find an actual technical thing. He will give you like 256 cents, like one will give you like 256 cents, like one will give you like 256 cents, like one hexadesimal dollar, but no one ever hexadesimal dollar, but no one ever hexadesimal dollar, but no one ever cashes. They put them on their wall. cashes. They put them on their wall. cashes. They put them on their wall. I know there was a Microsoft uh colonel I know there was a Microsoft uh colonel I know there was a Microsoft uh colonel engineer that felt uh yeah, something engineer that felt uh yeah, something engineer that felt uh yeah, something wrong in some proof or wrong in some proof or wrong in some proof or something and Ken gave him the $250 or something and Ken gave him the $250 or something and Ken gave him the $250 or whatever it was. Oh, wow. That's whatever it was. Oh, wow. That's whatever it was. Oh, wow. That's amazing. Yeah. Being able to to get amazing. Yeah. Being able to to get amazing. Yeah. Being able to to get something like that, I think, is is like something like that, I think, is is like something like that, I think, is is like it built up this legend that like I'm it built up this legend that like I'm it built up this legend that like I'm not going to bother this guy, but if I not going to bother this guy, but if I not going to bother this guy, but if I do, I'm going to make sure I did the do, I'm going to make sure I did the do, I'm going to make sure I did the homework. And then he rewards you with homework. And then he rewards you with homework. And then he rewards you with this effectively an autograph in the this effectively an autograph in the this effectively an autograph in the form of a check, which I think was form of a check, which I think was form of a check, which I think was really cool. Uh, have you ever given really cool. Uh, have you ever given really cool. Uh, have you ever given given somebody a check? No, I have. I given somebody a check? No, I have. I given somebody a check? No, I have. I have not. But when someone asks a good have not. But when someone asks a good have not. But when someone asks a good question, I have said this publicly, it question, I have said this publicly, it question, I have said this publicly, it is a gift. I don't email them back the is a gift. I don't email them back the is a gift. I don't email them back the answer. I do a blog post or Tik Tok or I answer. I do a blog post or Tik Tok or I answer. I do a blog post or Tik Tok or I mean I I put it into text and I send mean I I put it into text and I send mean I I put it into text and I send them a URL to the answer. I actually them a URL to the answer. I actually them a URL to the answer. I actually have an email. So you don't answer them.

have an email. So you don't answer them. have an email. So you don't answer them. You go and do a Tik Tok and then like a You go and do a Tik Tok and then like a You go and do a Tik Tok and then like a month later say here's you send them the month later say here's you send them the month later say here's you send them the link. No, no, no, no. There's no month. link. No, no, no, no. There's no month. link. No, no, no, no. There's no month. There's no month later. So the when I There's no month later. So the when I There's no month later. So the when I Tik Tok's probably not a good example, Tik Tok's probably not a good example, Tik Tok's probably not a good example, but like here's an example and maybe but like here's an example and maybe but like here's an example and maybe we'll answer this right now. we'll answer this right now. we'll answer this right now. Hey, my name is Name and I'm a junior Hey, my name is Name and I'm a junior Hey, my name is Name and I'm a junior pursuing a bachelor of science at pursuing a bachelor of science at pursuing a bachelor of science at Indiana University. Thank you for your Indiana University. Thank you for your Indiana University. Thank you for your content. Blah blah blah. Incredibly, content. Blah blah blah. Incredibly, content. Blah blah blah. Incredibly, educational and educational and educational and motivating. Okay, very very glamor. motivating. Okay, very very glamor. motivating. Okay, very very glamor. Thank you for your hard work in your Thank you for your hard work in your Thank you for your hard work in your career. They're basically thanking me. I career. They're basically thanking me. I career. They're basically thanking me. I am reaching out because I am unsure am reaching out because I am unsure am reaching out because I am unsure about the best next steps in my career. about the best next steps in my career. about the best next steps in my career. I struggle on deciding on meaningful I struggle on deciding on meaningful I struggle on deciding on meaningful projects and I am paralyzed by projects and I am paralyzed by projects and I am paralyzed by self-doubt. Imper imposter syndrome is self-doubt. Imper imposter syndrome is self-doubt. Imper imposter syndrome is something I battle with and it holds me something I battle with and it holds me something I battle with and it holds me back. How do I overcome the paralysis back. How do I overcome the paralysis back. How do I overcome the paralysis and identify projects that help me grow and identify projects that help me grow and identify projects that help me grow technically and also contribute to technically and also contribute to technically and also contribute to long-term goals? Because I've written long-term goals? Because I've written long-term goals? Because I've written publicly about imposter syndrome, I get publicly about imposter syndrome, I get publicly about imposter syndrome, I get messages like this. For me too, I could messages like this. For me too, I could messages like this. For me too, I could write them five paragraphs and they write them five paragraphs and they write them five paragraphs and they would appreciate it. But I could write a would appreciate it. But I could write a would appreciate it. But I could write a blog post in five paragraphs and then blog post in five paragraphs and then blog post in five paragraphs and then send them a link to that blog post and send them a link to that blog post and send them a link to that blog post and then other people or send them this or then other people or send them this or then other people or send them this or send them this podcast. Yeah.

send them this podcast. Yeah. send them this podcast. Yeah. Um I don't you don't seem like an Um I don't you don't seem like an Um I don't you don't seem like an imposter syndrome type of a person imposter syndrome type of a person imposter syndrome type of a person though that that you you saying that you though that that you you saying that you though that that you you saying that you don't think I have imposter I'm saying don't think I have imposter I'm saying don't think I have imposter I'm saying that I adm I I I don't know I mean I that I adm I I I don't know I mean I that I adm I I I don't know I mean I don't know inside your brain but I don't know inside your brain but I don't know inside your brain but I admire your boldness and I feel like you admire your boldness and I feel like you admire your boldness and I feel like you stand in your technical competence so I stand in your technical competence so I stand in your technical competence so I wonder if you're ever in a room feeling wonder if you're ever in a room feeling wonder if you're ever in a room feeling like you don't like you don't like you don't belong. Um that's a really good belong. Um that's a really good belong. Um that's a really good question. I question. I question. I do go into meetings um where I feel like I don't I just um where I feel like I don't I just don't understand and don't understand and don't understand and um am I you know missing you know like um am I you know missing you know like um am I you know missing you know like am I just being dumb by not am I just being dumb by not am I just being dumb by not understanding and should I just keep my understanding and should I just keep my understanding and should I just keep my mouth shut because you know of course mouth shut because you know of course mouth shut because you know of course you you you know I care about what people think know I care about what people think know I care about what people think about me and I don't want people to about me and I don't want people to about me and I don't want people to think I'm dumb. think I'm dumb. think I'm dumb. or be like, "Wow, he's really off today. or be like, "Wow, he's really off today. or be like, "Wow, he's really off today. Did he not sleep well last night?" Um, Did he not sleep well last night?" Um, Did he not sleep well last night?" Um, but I will regardless if I don't but I will regardless if I don't but I will regardless if I don't understand it, I I just I force myself understand it, I I just I force myself understand it, I I just I force myself to just say it. I don't understand it.

to just say it. I don't understand it. to just say it. I don't understand it. And you're acknowledging though that you And you're acknowledging though that you And you're acknowledging though that you of all people have been in situation or of all people have been in situation or of all people have been in situation or are in situations on somewhat regular are in situations on somewhat regular are in situations on somewhat regular basis, not more than multiple times a basis, not more than multiple times a basis, not more than multiple times a week, but certainly multiple times a week, but certainly multiple times a week, but certainly multiple times a year where you're like, "Okay, I don't year where you're like, "Okay, I don't year where you're like, "Okay, I don't know this thing. I just don't get it. It know this thing. I just don't get it. It know this thing. I just don't get it. It hasn't clicked for me yet." And that's hasn't clicked for me yet." And that's hasn't clicked for me yet." And that's okay to feel that way. And this this okay to feel that way. And this this okay to feel that way. And this this balance, too, right? Because you don't balance, too, right? Because you don't balance, too, right? Because you don't want to go into a want to go into a want to go into a meeting and where something's obvious meeting and where something's obvious meeting and where something's obvious and and you everybody should know and and you everybody should know and and you everybody should know because they should have done their because they should have done their because they should have done their homework or thought about it for more homework or thought about it for more homework or thought about it for more than 2 minutes and just go, I don't get than 2 minutes and just go, I don't get than 2 minutes and just go, I don't get it. Explain it. And then everybody's it. Explain it. And then everybody's it. Explain it. And then everybody's like, okay, so now this person's like, okay, so now this person's like, okay, so now this person's obviously just being lazy or or clueless obviously just being lazy or or clueless obviously just being lazy or or clueless and now we need to stop the whole and now we need to stop the whole and now we need to stop the whole meeting, bring them up to meeting, bring them up to meeting, bring them up to speed. So I don't want to be that person speed. So I don't want to be that person speed. So I don't want to be that person either. Yeah, that you've just uh either. Yeah, that you've just uh either. Yeah, that you've just uh spliced a hair or split a hair I think spliced a hair or split a hair I think spliced a hair or split a hair I think is really important to call out. So, is really important to call out. So, is really important to call out. So, call back to me chatting this person out call back to me chatting this person out call back to me chatting this person out of the blue and having a great technical of the blue and having a great technical of the blue and having a great technical conversation and having this junior or conversation and having this junior or conversation and having this junior or earlier in career person go, "Wow, I earlier in career person go, "Wow, I earlier in career person go, "Wow, I didn't know that you could do that." I didn't know that you could do that." I didn't know that you could do that." I did it because I was confident in the did it because I was confident in the did it because I was confident in the questions in the line of questioning and questions in the line of questioning and questions in the line of questioning and I knew what I knew and I knew what I I knew what I knew and I knew what I I knew what I knew and I knew what I didn't know. Yeah.

didn't know. Yeah. didn't know. Yeah. But I didn't send a message to a But I didn't send a message to a But I didn't send a message to a distinguished engineer at Microsoft distinguished engineer at Microsoft distinguished engineer at Microsoft saying, "Where's the docs on how to do saying, "Where's the docs on how to do saying, "Where's the docs on how to do blood on the NPU?" Yeah, that that is an blood on the NPU?" Yeah, that that is an blood on the NPU?" Yeah, that that is an inappropriate use of teamsing. So I inappropriate use of teamsing. So I inappropriate use of teamsing. So I didn't enter a meeting that not knowing didn't enter a meeting that not knowing didn't enter a meeting that not knowing how to do X on the NPU where you could how to do X on the NPU where you could how to do X on the NPU where you could have figured it out yourself. Yeah. Or have figured it out yourself. Yeah. Or have figured it out yourself. Yeah. Or ask co-pilot 50 different ways. It is ask co-pilot 50 different ways. It is ask co-pilot 50 different ways. It is you're calling out the difference you're calling out the difference you're calling out the difference between I didn't prep. What? Huh? what's between I didn't prep. What? Huh? what's between I didn't prep. What? Huh? what's this meeting about? Versus, I have done this meeting about? Versus, I have done this meeting about? Versus, I have done a lot of research. I've read the a lot of research. I've read the a lot of research. I've read the paperwork and for some reason this, paperwork and for some reason this, paperwork and for some reason this, this, and this just haven't clicked for this, and this just haven't clicked for this, and this just haven't clicked for me yet. Help me get there. That's me yet. Help me get there. That's me yet. Help me get there. That's appropriate for everyone of every level, appropriate for everyone of every level, appropriate for everyone of every level, I think. Yeah. Well, here's the other I think. Yeah. Well, here's the other I think. Yeah. Well, here's the other the flip side of this, and I'm sure the flip side of this, and I'm sure the flip side of this, and I'm sure you've been in this, too. You're in a you've been in this, too. You're in a you've been in this, too. You're in a meeting meeting meeting and a question comes up. It's a meeting and a question comes up. It's a meeting and a question comes up. It's a meeting with very senior people with very senior people with very senior people um uh above your pay grade. So like for um uh above your pay grade. So like for um uh above your pay grade. So like for me it would be I'm in a meeting with the me it would be I'm in a meeting with the me it would be I'm in a meeting with the SLT and Satcha. Yeah. And there's and SLT and Satcha. Yeah. And there's and SLT and Satcha. Yeah. And there's and they're discussing about debating and they're discussing about debating and they're discussing about debating and discussing something and I believe I discussing something and I believe I discussing something and I believe I know I've got an opinion about it that know I've got an opinion about it that know I've got an opinion about it that it's it's it's wellounded that the question is should I wellounded that the question is should I wellounded that the question is should I raise my hand and and share raise my hand and and share raise my hand and and share it or just keep my mouth shut and let it or just keep my mouth shut and let it or just keep my mouth shut and let the you know the room just sit there the you know the room just sit there the you know the room just sit there with that openness and not hearing my with that openness and not hearing my with that openness and not hearing my opinion. Yeah. And um that's another one opinion. Yeah. And um that's another one opinion. Yeah. And um that's another one of okay how can how confined am I about

of okay how can how confined am I about of okay how can how confined am I about this uh how confident I am that I've got this uh how confident I am that I've got this uh how confident I am that I've got a opinion that's based off of deep a opinion that's based off of deep a opinion that's based off of deep thought you know meet that that's deep thought you know meet that that's deep thought you know meet that that's deep enough to actually raise it in this enough to actually raise it in this enough to actually raise it in this forum and forum and forum and and demand time from everybody here and and demand time from everybody here and and demand time from everybody here and attention and attention and attention and consideration and that's also you know a consideration and that's also you know a consideration and that's also you know a tough one but there'sa occasions where tough one but there'sa occasions where tough one but there'sa occasions where I'm like I'm not sure that I'm right but I'm like I'm not sure that I'm right but I'm like I'm not sure that I'm right but I'm pretty confident and I think it's I'm pretty confident and I think it's I'm pretty confident and I think it's worth sharing and I'm just going to plow worth sharing and I'm just going to plow worth sharing and I'm just going to plow through and and just let it out. This is through and and just let it out. This is through and and just let it out. This is a really this is a thing no one talks a really this is a thing no one talks a really this is a thing no one talks about when you get to a certain level about when you get to a certain level about when you get to a certain level how much more important that is like you how much more important that is like you how much more important that is like you could be right. What's the what's the could be right. What's the what's the could be right. What's the what's the thing they say about marriage? Do you thing they say about marriage? Do you thing they say about marriage? Do you want to be happy or do you want to be want to be happy or do you want to be want to be happy or do you want to be right? Yeah. You know the same thing right? Yeah. You know the same thing right? Yeah. You know the same thing happens as you get up in a company where happens as you get up in a company where happens as you get up in a company where it's like this might be the right it's like this might be the right it's like this might be the right question. It might be a perfectly good question. It might be a perfectly good question. It might be a perfectly good question, but it's the wrong venue. It's question, but it's the wrong venue. It's question, but it's the wrong venue. It's the wrong form. There's too many people the wrong form. There's too many people the wrong form. There's too many people in the room, and if I say this, someone in the room, and if I say this, someone in the room, and if I say this, someone will lose face or I'm going to go and will lose face or I'm going to go and will lose face or I'm going to go and throw someone under the bus. Those throw someone under the bus. Those throw someone under the bus. Those subtleties are becoming increased.

subtleties are becoming increased. subtleties are becoming increased. That's a good one. I wasn't even talking That's a good one. I wasn't even talking That's a good one. I wasn't even talking about that, but that's also a really about that, but that's also a really about that, but that's also a really good point. And all right, so question good point. And all right, so question good point. And all right, so question to you. How many times you been in a to you. How many times you been in a to you. How many times you been in a meeting where like I need to call out meeting where like I need to call out meeting where like I need to call out the elephant, but if I call out the the elephant, but if I call out the the elephant, but if I call out the elephant in this room, it's going to, elephant in this room, it's going to, elephant in this room, it's going to, you know, create some waves that maybe I you know, create some waves that maybe I you know, create some waves that maybe I don't want to make. a little different don't want to make. a little different don't want to make. a little different way. Yes. I don't want this smoke. It's way. Yes. I don't want this smoke. It's way. Yes. I don't want this smoke. It's happened twice in the last two weeks. Uh happened twice in the last two weeks. Uh happened twice in the last two weeks. Uh one time I was in a meeting with more one time I was in a meeting with more one time I was in a meeting with more people than I thought and I said people than I thought and I said people than I thought and I said something and Amanda, my VP, says not something and Amanda, my VP, says not something and Amanda, my VP, says not helpful. And just very simply. Yeah. And helpful. And just very simply. Yeah. And helpful. And just very simply. Yeah. And that's like, okay. Now, I felt bad I that's like, okay. Now, I felt bad I that's like, okay. Now, I felt bad I couldn't delete the thing. Yeah. But it couldn't delete the thing. Yeah. But it couldn't delete the thing. Yeah. But it was like, yeah, you valid, correct? Yes. was like, yeah, you valid, correct? Yes. was like, yeah, you valid, correct? Yes. Three people needed to know that, not 83 Three people needed to know that, not 83 Three people needed to know that, not 83 people. Yeah, that happened recently. people. Yeah, that happened recently. people. Yeah, that happened recently. Um, going back to imposter syndrome, Um, going back to imposter syndrome, Um, going back to imposter syndrome, it's good to know that we both have felt it's good to know that we both have felt it's good to know that we both have felt like that. like that. like that. Oh, I have a blog post from 2011 about Oh, I have a blog post from 2011 about Oh, I have a blog post from 2011 about being a complete phony. The thing for me being a complete phony. The thing for me being a complete phony. The thing for me is about degrees. But see, it kind of is about degrees. But see, it kind of is about degrees. But see, it kind of makes sense for you though.

So, I discovered uh I've known you for So, I discovered uh I've known you for years and I discovered recently, not years and I discovered recently, not years and I discovered recently, not recently recently, but like you're you recently recently, but like you're you recently recently, but like you're you have a PhD, but you're not running have a PhD, but you're not running have a PhD, but you're not running around making everyone call you Dr. Mark around making everyone call you Dr. Mark around making everyone call you Dr. Mark anymore. And uh you're right about the anymore. And uh you're right about the anymore. And uh you're right about the when I got my PhD because acade academic when I got my PhD because acade academic when I got my PhD because acade academic circles you do that. And so I I came out circles you do that. And so I I came out circles you do that. And so I I came out and I was using it. I even used it when and I was using it. I even used it when and I was using it. I even used it when I was doing a postto and then my early I was doing a postto and then my early I was doing a postto and then my early days of NT internals, I'd put Dr. Mark days of NT internals, I'd put Dr. Mark days of NT internals, I'd put Dr. Mark and then I'm like what the hell am I and then I'm like what the hell am I and then I'm like what the hell am I doing? Like nobody cares. Oh wow. All it doing? Like nobody cares. Oh wow. All it doing? Like nobody cares. Oh wow. All it does is is you know create distance. does is is you know create distance. does is is you know create distance. It does create distance but at the same It does create distance but at the same It does create distance but at the same time depending on where you came from time depending on where you came from time depending on where you came from you're not going to go to doctor school you're not going to go to doctor school you're not going to go to doctor school for so long and not be called doctor if for so long and not be called doctor if for so long and not be called doctor if the bonafide is appropriate. But then the bonafide is appropriate. But then the bonafide is appropriate. But then your your people knowing you in the your your people knowing you in the your your people knowing you in the community at some point and your community at some point and your community at some point and your influence outshined the fact that you influence outshined the fact that you influence outshined the fact that you were doctor. So you don't need the were doctor. So you don't need the were doctor. So you don't need the honorific. I think that that for me that honorific. I think that that for me that honorific. I think that that for me that I'm and we're digressing here on the on I'm and we're digressing here on the on I'm and we're digressing here on the on this topic, but yeah, title like the this topic, but yeah, title like the this topic, but yeah, title like the doctor title matters like what does it doctor title matters like what does it doctor title matters like what does it matter? Are you trying to convey status matter? Are you trying to convey status matter? Are you trying to convey status or social status um status in your field or social status um status in your field or social status um status in your field or are you just trying to convey or are you just trying to convey or are you just trying to convey uh give people a shortorthhand for this uh give people a shortorthhand for this uh give people a shortorthhand for this is my level of depth in this topic? I is my level of depth in this topic? I is my level of depth in this topic? I think it's a shorthand and I think that think it's a shorthand and I think that think it's a shorthand and I think that people look at titles as being a people look at titles as being a people look at titles as being a shortorthhand. So again, popping off the shortorthhand. So again, popping off the shortorthhand. So again, popping off the the top of the stack to beginning when I the top of the stack to beginning when I the top of the stack to beginning when I chatted that person, the the the chatted that person, the the the chatted that person, the the the question that the person I was on the question that the person I was on the question that the person I was on the phone with said was, "Do you think he phone with said was, "Do you think he phone with said was, "Do you think he answered because he looked at your title

answered because he looked at your title answered because he looked at your title and it said VP? Do you think he and it said VP? Do you think he and it said VP? Do you think he recognized your name or do you think it recognized your name or do you think it recognized your name or do you think it was just a good was just a good was just a good question?" I hope it was just because it question?" I hope it was just because it question?" I hope it was just because it was a good question, but that's very was a good question, but that's very was a good question, but that's very likely not the complete story. Well, you likely not the complete story. Well, you likely not the complete story. Well, you know, I think um that if you looked at know, I think um that if you looked at know, I think um that if you looked at your um title, your um title, your um title, um what that does is already implies um what that does is already implies um what that does is already implies this person probably has thought about this person probably has thought about this person probably has thought about this deeply because to get to the level this deeply because to get to the level this deeply because to get to the level they're at. You know, we talk about they're at. You know, we talk about they're at. You know, we talk about exact maturity and readiness for exact maturity and readiness for exact maturity and readiness for executive levels at executive levels at executive levels at Microsoft. That is part of it. Is there Microsoft. That is part of it. Is there Microsoft. That is part of it. Is there a meeting I haven't been in? Oh, this is a meeting I haven't been in? Oh, this is a meeting I haven't been in? Oh, this is what all of my animated gifts in teams what all of my animated gifts in teams what all of my animated gifts in teams have been holding me back. have been holding me back. have been holding me back. Um, so exact maturity. Yeah. And exact Um, so exact maturity. Yeah. And exact Um, so exact maturity. Yeah. And exact and part of that is that judgment, and part of that is that judgment, and part of that is that judgment, but that gets into the definition of but that gets into the definition of but that gets into the definition of professionalism, which could be another professionalism, which could be another professionalism, which could be another episode. Scott and Mark learn to be episode. Scott and Mark learn to be episode. Scott and Mark learn to be professional. Well, that's I think professional. Well, that's I think professional. Well, that's I think that's a different thing. that's a different thing. that's a different thing. Professionalism. Oh, interesting. Is Professionalism. Oh, interesting. Is Professionalism. Oh, interesting. Is that maturity and professionalism are that maturity and professionalism are that maturity and professionalism are different? Yeah, I think so.

different? Yeah, I think so. different? Yeah, I think so. Okay. What was the title of this show? Okay. What was the title of this show? Okay. What was the title of this show? I just got Mark just ramble. I learned I just got Mark just ramble. I learned I just got Mark just ramble. I learned to just riff. No, no. Repudiate is a to just riff. No, no. Repudiate is a to just riff. No, no. Repudiate is a totally different word. That's the totally different word. That's the totally different word. That's the what's funny about it. But you know how what's funny about it. But you know how what's funny about it. But you know how everybody's taking every noun and everybody's taking every noun and everybody's taking every noun and turning it into a verb these days. turning it into a verb these days. turning it into a verb these days. That's just They are verbing a lot and That's just They are verbing a lot and That's just They are verbing a lot and nouning as much like adulting. Adulting. nouning as much like adulting. Adulting. nouning as much like adulting. Adulting. Yeah, it's true. No, but Scott and Mark Yeah, it's true. No, but Scott and Mark Yeah, it's true. No, but Scott and Mark learned to build reputation because that learned to build reputation because that learned to build reputation because that really is it. I think the point is really is it. I think the point is really is it. I think the point is showing that you did your homework. It's showing that you did your homework. It's showing that you did your homework. It's reasonable. I think people like I don't reasonable. I think people like I don't reasonable. I think people like I don't know how many times you email Satcha, know how many times you email Satcha, know how many times you email Satcha, but I feel like I've got like two or but I feel like I've got like two or but I feel like I've got like two or three a year. That's You email him a three a year. That's You email him a three a year. That's You email him a lot, but I have like two or three a year lot, but I have like two or three a year lot, but I have like two or three a year that I get recording. I was doing it. that I get recording. I was doing it. that I get recording. I was doing it. So, you were emailing Satcha just now? I So, you were emailing Satcha just now? I So, you were emailing Satcha just now? I was listening. was listening. was listening. But the point I'm making is that I I I But the point I'm making is that I I I But the point I'm making is that I I I hold my Satcha emails in reserve so that hold my Satcha emails in reserve so that hold my Satcha emails in reserve so that I use them for good because I don't want I use them for good because I don't want I use them for good because I don't want to waste them on trivial things. And I to waste them on trivial things. And I to waste them on trivial things. And I think people do that as they move in think people do that as they move in think people do that as they move in their levels. You don't want to be like their levels. You don't want to be like their levels. You don't want to be like bothering your skip boss every 20 bothering your skip boss every 20 bothering your skip boss every 20 minutes about trivial stuff because it minutes about trivial stuff because it minutes about trivial stuff because it just shows you haven't done your just shows you haven't done your just shows you haven't done your homework. That is a good way to build homework. That is a good way to build homework. That is a good way to build reputation. Yeah.

reputation. Yeah. reputation. Yeah. Scott and Mark learned to email Satcha Scott and Mark learned to email Satcha Scott and Mark learned to email Satcha on a regular basis. There's a couple of on a regular basis. There's a couple of on a regular basis. There's a couple of times where I've been on long threads times where I've been on long threads times where I've been on long threads with Satcha and then I'll reply to all with Satcha and then I'll reply to all with Satcha and then I'll reply to all and then I don't hear anything else and then I don't hear anything else and then I don't hear anything else after and I know that they've removed after and I know that they've removed after and I know that they've removed me. No, that's not true. You think I me. No, that's not true. You think I me. No, that's not true. You think I just me too? I I just had the last word just me too? I I just had the last word just me too? I I just had the last word because it sucks. It's such a bad because it sucks. It's such a bad because it sucks. It's such a bad feeling. It is a bad feeling. It's not feeling. It is a bad feeling. It's not feeling. It is a bad feeling. It's not even an acknowledgement like great even an acknowledgement like great even an acknowledgement like great point, Scott. It's just Yeah, there's no point, Scott. It's just Yeah, there's no point, Scott. It's just Yeah, there's no thumbs up. There's nothing. It's just thumbs up. There's nothing. It's just thumbs up. There's nothing. It's just like I guess I spiked the ball in the like I guess I spiked the ball in the like I guess I spiked the ball in the end zone and that was the end of the end zone and that was the end of the end zone and that was the end of the conversation. We're stunned into the conversation. We're stunned into the conversation. We're stunned into the silence. It's happened like four times. silence. It's happened like four times. silence. It's happened like four times. I'm like, did they just Is everyone I'm like, did they just Is everyone I'm like, did they just Is everyone hanging out without me? Yeah. Or they're hanging out without me? Yeah. Or they're hanging out without me? Yeah. Or they're like, Jesus Christ, there goes Scott like, Jesus Christ, there goes Scott like, Jesus Christ, there goes Scott again. Wow. Classic cancel. And that's again. Wow. Classic cancel. And that's again. Wow. Classic cancel. And that's another thing that I've talked about the another thing that I've talked about the another thing that I've talked about the bozo bit before. bozo bit before. bozo bit before. Is that a thing? I try to introduce Is that a thing? I try to introduce Is that a thing? I try to introduce young people to the bozo bit. Yeah. So, young people to the bozo bit. Yeah. So, young people to the bozo bit. Yeah. So, briefly as we flip flipping the bit is briefly as we flip flipping the bit is briefly as we flip flipping the bit is referring to flipping the bit, right? referring to flipping the bit, right? referring to flipping the bit, right? It's the bozo bit. It's like this guy's It's the bozo bit. It's like this guy's It's the bozo bit. It's like this guy's a bozo. I worry about imposter syndrome a bozo. I worry about imposter syndrome a bozo. I worry about imposter syndrome because I don't want to ask a question because I don't want to ask a question because I don't want to ask a question like DNS. What is DNS? What does that like DNS. What is DNS? What does that like DNS. What is DNS? What does that stand for? Then you flip the bozo bit stand for? Then you flip the bozo bit stand for? Then you flip the bozo bit and you're like, it's really hard to and you're like, it's really hard to and you're like, it's really hard to flip it back. It is. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz flip it back. It is. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz flip it back. It is. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz that guy's a bozo. Cool. All right.

that guy's a bozo. Cool. All right. that guy's a bozo. Cool. All right. Well, this was something I I enjoyed Well, this was something I I enjoyed Well, this was something I I enjoyed this one more than usual. So, I don't this one more than usual. So, I don't this one more than usual. So, I don't know if this had any value to you, dear know if this had any value to you, dear know if this had any value to you, dear dear listener. This is my favorite one dear listener. This is my favorite one dear listener. This is my favorite one ever. Is this your favorite one ever? ever. Is this your favorite one ever? ever. Is this your favorite one ever? Yeah. I will say this though for folks Yeah. I will say this though for folks Yeah. I will say this though for folks that are watching, you're not sharing that are watching, you're not sharing that are watching, you're not sharing the show enough because I don't the show enough because I don't the show enough because I don't understand why the skincare one didn't understand why the skincare one didn't understand why the skincare one didn't go crazy viral and get on Hacker News go crazy viral and get on Hacker News go crazy viral and get on Hacker News cuz I think that there's that was comedy cuz I think that there's that was comedy cuz I think that there's that was comedy gold. It was gold. It was gold. It was gold. It was gold. It was gold. It was gold. It was gold. It was gold. It was by the way. And I I don't think they're by the way. And I I don't think they're by the way. And I I don't think they're sharing enough either because I look at, sharing enough either because I look at, sharing enough either because I look at, for example, the YouTube version and for example, the YouTube version and for example, the YouTube version and it's got comments that are like, "I love it's got comments that are like, "I love it's got comments that are like, "I love I love this is great. Fantastic." And I love this is great. Fantastic." And I love this is great. Fantastic." And then it's got 3,000 views. then it's got 3,000 views. then it's got 3,000 views. I don't I don't know, man. Uh it's funny I don't I don't know, man. Uh it's funny I don't I don't know, man. Uh it's funny because we did a show on Zoomit, which because we did a show on Zoomit, which because we did a show on Zoomit, which was great. Comments are was great. Comments are was great. Comments are positive, 5,000 views. Yeah. I did a positive, 5,000 views. Yeah. I did a positive, 5,000 views. Yeah. I did a thing on here alternative to Windows thing on here alternative to Windows thing on here alternative to Windows Explorer and it's got 65,000 views in a Explorer and it's got 65,000 views in a Explorer and it's got 65,000 views in a week and it's like really like show like week and it's like really like show like week and it's like really like show like if we just showed off CIS internal.

if we just showed off CIS internal. if we just showed off CIS internal. Nobody wants to see us yap. They just Nobody wants to see us yap. They just Nobody wants to see us yap. They just want us showing off CIS internals tools. want us showing off CIS internals tools. want us showing off CIS internals tools. Well, we need to make sure that we don't Well, we need to make sure that we don't Well, we need to make sure that we don't uh overthink about those things because uh overthink about those things because uh overthink about those things because I think it's not about the big number. I think it's not about the big number. I think it's not about the big number. It's about the quality of the It's about the quality of the It's about the quality of the individuals. Well, also I think it's individuals. Well, also I think it's individuals. Well, also I think it's also just about the therapy that we're also just about the therapy that we're also just about the therapy that we're getting doing these things. I find it getting doing these things. I find it getting doing these things. I find it very therapeutic. I'm I I I I live in very therapeutic. I'm I I I I live in very therapeutic. I'm I I I I live in fear that you're going to say, "Well, no fear that you're going to say, "Well, no fear that you're going to say, "Well, no one's watching, so why are we even one's watching, so why are we even one's watching, so why are we even hanging out together?" Yeah, we should hanging out together?" Yeah, we should hanging out together?" Yeah, we should do better job of getting people to do better job of getting people to do better job of getting people to watch. Yeah, I I enjoyed these very much watch. Yeah, I I enjoyed these very much watch. Yeah, I I enjoyed these very much and I think that the the comments and I and I think that the the comments and I and I think that the the comments and I went to the internal conference and went to the internal conference and went to the internal conference and people would not shut up about the show. people would not shut up about the show. people would not shut up about the show. So, someone's watching. We're just not So, someone's watching. We're just not So, someone's watching. We're just not managing the numbers well. I don't know. managing the numbers well. I don't know. managing the numbers well. I don't know. Yeah. Cool. All right, friends. Like and Yeah. Cool. All right, friends. Like and Yeah. Cool. All right, friends. Like and subscribe. Smash that bell. Share this subscribe. Smash that bell. Share this subscribe. Smash that bell. Share this with your friends. If we can get one of with your friends. If we can get one of with your friends. If we can get one of these shows over 20,000 views, Mark these shows over 20,000 views, Mark these shows over 20,000 views, Mark might come back for another might come back for another might come back for another week. That's about it. All right, that's week. That's about it. All right, that's week. That's about it. All right, that's a show.