Micro.blog and owning your words with Manton Reece

hi I'm Scott Hanselman this is another hi I'm Scott Hanselman this is another episode of Hansel minutes today I'm episode of Hansel minutes today I'm episode of Hansel minutes today I'm chatting with mat Reese who is the CEO chatting with mat Reese who is the CEO chatting with mat Reese who is the CEO founder and boss in charge at micro do founder and boss in charge at micro do founder and boss in charge at micro do blog how are you blog how are you blog how are you sir good thanks for having me pretty sir good thanks for having me pretty sir good thanks for having me pretty good you know this is just a wonderful good you know this is just a wonderful good you know this is just a wonderful and delightful thing that you have done and delightful thing that you have done and delightful thing that you have done but this has been going on for a while but this has been going on for a while but this has been going on for a while you started this in you started this in you started this in 2017 is that right yeah the very 2017 is that right yeah the very 2017 is that right yeah the very beginning of 2017 wanted to start the beginning of 2017 wanted to start the beginning of 2017 wanted to start the year with something new to the year with something new to the year with something new to the kickstarter the rest of History I guess kickstarter the rest of History I guess kickstarter the rest of History I guess have you always felt like that I've been have you always felt like that I've been have you always felt like that I've been blogging since 2000 and I've always blogging since 2000 and I've always blogging since 2000 and I've always hosted my own thing and I never really hosted my own thing and I never really hosted my own thing and I never really thought about the friction involved in thought about the friction involved in thought about the friction involved in like getting a domain registering Sears like getting a domain registering Sears like getting a domain registering Sears and I we we wrote our own blog engine and I we we wrote our own blog engine and I we we wrote our own blog engine like it just felt like a very natural like it just felt like a very natural like it just felt like a very natural time we were all building the web but uh time we were all building the web but uh time we were all building the web but uh for a lot of people just getting a for a lot of people just getting a for a lot of people just getting a domain that's too much and signing up is domain that's too much and signing up is domain that's too much and signing up is too much so yeah it's true and that it's too much so yeah it's true and that it's too much so yeah it's true and that it's still hard for people I mean even today still hard for people I mean even today still hard for people I mean even today you know we on micr do bug we can you know we on micr do bug we can you know we on micr do bug we can register the domain for you now which register the domain for you now which register the domain for you now which helps a lot because they just type in helps a lot because they just type in helps a lot because they just type in the domain they want to register we can the domain they want to register we can the domain they want to register we can configure it and wordpress.com and other configure it and wordpress.com and other configure it and wordpress.com and other you know services do that same kind of you know services do that same kind of you know services do that same kind of thing now too it helps a lot but there's thing now too it helps a lot but there's thing now too it helps a lot but there's still so much confusion about like DNS still so much confusion about like DNS still so much confusion about like DNS records and the C name what and this a records and the C name what and this a records and the C name what and this a record what and it's just it's very record what and it's just it's very record what and it's just it's very confusing for people this is a silly confusing for people this is a silly confusing for people this is a silly example analogy but I really like example analogy but I really like example analogy but I really like interacting with ble actors not like you interacting with ble actors not like you interacting with ble actors not like you know your Tom Cruzes that have a whole know your Tom Cruzes that have a whole know your Tom Cruzes that have a whole team but like regular working actors so team but like regular working actors so team but like regular working actors so whenever I watch a show I'll I'll go and whenever I watch a show I'll I'll go and whenever I watch a show I'll I'll go and I'll see like a secondary actor who's I'll see like a secondary actor who's I'll see like a secondary actor who's like killing it and then I'll go and

like killing it and then I'll go and like killing it and then I'll go and find them on social media and I'll give find them on social media and I'll give find them on social media and I'll give them a compliment hey I saw you as them a compliment hey I saw you as them a compliment hey I saw you as detective whatever on such and such a detective whatever on such and such a detective whatever on such and such a show and inevitably they have an show and inevitably they have an show and inevitably they have an Instagram then they have Link in BIO and Instagram then they have Link in BIO and Instagram then they have Link in BIO and I click on it and it's an expired sht uh I click on it and it's an expired sht uh I click on it and it's an expired sht uh it's it's a it's a deactivated it's it's a it's a deactivated it's it's a it's a deactivated Squarespace site it's a random you know Squarespace site it's a random you know Squarespace site it's a random you know it's just a broken URL it's it's not it's just a broken URL it's it's not it's just a broken URL it's it's not happened once it's happened dozens of happened once it's happened dozens of happened once it's happened dozens of times and I realize it's because oh this times and I realize it's because oh this times and I realize it's because oh this is a regular person they don't have a is a regular person they don't have a is a regular person they don't have a team they just made a Blog one day and team they just made a Blog one day and team they just made a Blog one day and they lost the password or they didn't they lost the password or they didn't they lost the password or they didn't redo the shirt and their online presence redo the shirt and their online presence redo the shirt and their online presence doesn't exist anymore and that's just so doesn't exist anymore and that's just so doesn't exist anymore and that's just so emblematic of like how URLs are rotting emblematic of like how URLs are rotting emblematic of like how URLs are rotting every day on the internet yes it's a every day on the internet yes it's a every day on the internet yes it's a it's a really big problem and yeah if it's a really big problem and yeah if it's a really big problem and yeah if you go back anybody who's been blogging you go back anybody who's been blogging you go back anybody who's been blogging even just 5 years 10 years I mean so even just 5 years 10 years I mean so even just 5 years 10 years I mean so many links are broken now it's almost many links are broken now it's almost many links are broken now it's almost like the kind of default state that like the kind of default state that like the kind of default state that things expire and wither away and it's a things expire and wither away and it's a things expire and wither away and it's a it's an issue one of the things that I it's an issue one of the things that I it's an issue one of the things that I we do a couple things to try to combat we do a couple things to try to combat we do a couple things to try to combat that a little bit like when you link to that a little bit like when you link to that a little bit like when you link to things we archive them and uh there's things we archive them and uh there's things we archive them and uh there's all all sorts of things behind the all all sorts of things behind the all all sorts of things behind the scenes but also once you've paid for scenes but also once you've paid for scenes but also once you've paid for your blog we we keep it if you don't your blog we we keep it if you don't your blog we we keep it if you don't want it anymore like unless you lesi want it anymore like unless you lesi want it anymore like unless you lesi don't want it anymore we keep it so like don't want it anymore we keep it so like don't want it anymore we keep it so like just helping a little bit things last on just helping a little bit things last on just helping a little bit things last on the the the Internet it's an it's an issue the Internet it's an it's an issue the Internet it's an it's an issue the internet archive is a huge help but of internet archive is a huge help but of internet archive is a huge help but of course you know they had an outage you course you know they had an outage you course you know they had an outage you know last month or something there it's know last month or something there it's know last month or something there it's it it is even just having one copy of

it it is even just having one copy of it it is even just having one copy of the web is not enough the uh you did the web is not enough the uh you did the web is not enough the uh you did this in 2017 but it must have been in this in 2017 but it must have been in this in 2017 but it must have been in your head before that it was I mean it your head before that it was I mean it your head before that it was I mean it it I don't have the years in front of me it I don't have the years in front of me it I don't have the years in front of me but I became really frustrated with but I became really frustrated with but I became really frustrated with Twitter uh you know few years before Twitter uh you know few years before Twitter uh you know few years before that locking down developer access and that locking down developer access and that locking down developer access and then before that I've been blogging you then before that I've been blogging you then before that I've been blogging you know since early 2000s over 20 years now know since early 2000s over 20 years now know since early 2000s over 20 years now and so blogging and just having your own and so blogging and just having your own and so blogging and just having your own space on the internet was always in my space on the internet was always in my space on the internet was always in my mind and when I became frustrated with mind and when I became frustrated with mind and when I became frustrated with like centralized platforms having so like centralized platforms having so like centralized platforms having so much control and locking down our data much control and locking down our data much control and locking down our data and our accounts and what we can do that and our accounts and what we can do that and our accounts and what we can do that sort of mixed with you know the idea sort of mixed with you know the idea sort of mixed with you know the idea that hey you have your own space on the that hey you have your own space on the that hey you have your own space on the internet you have your own domain name internet you have your own domain name internet you have your own domain name you can do what you want with it and you can do what you want with it and you can do what you want with it and that also unlocks different things that that also unlocks different things that that also unlocks different things that social platforms I think can do once you social platforms I think can do once you social platforms I think can do once you give people an identity once you give give people an identity once you give give people an identity once you give them their own their own space so that them their own their own space so that them their own their own space so that all sort of came together and then I all sort of came together and then I all sort of came together and then I launched microp blog and just keep launched microp blog and just keep launched microp blog and just keep improving it ever since I mean it's just improving it ever since I mean it's just improving it ever since I mean it's just grown so much uh it's almost it's not grown so much uh it's almost it's not grown so much uh it's almost it's not unrecognizable the vision is exactly the unrecognizable the vision is exactly the unrecognizable the vision is exactly the same as it was 2017 but there's so much same as it was 2017 but there's so much same as it was 2017 but there's so much more that we've been able to add to it more that we've been able to add to it more that we've been able to add to it how many how many blogs are there I how many how many blogs are there I how many how many blogs are there I don't have that in front we don't really don't have that in front we don't really don't have that in front we don't really advertise how many advertise how many advertise how many users yeah the BL I mean the blogs and users yeah the BL I mean the blogs and users yeah the BL I mean the blogs and accounts can have more than one blog too accounts can have more than one blog too accounts can have more than one blog too so it's a little bit not an exact so it's a little bit not an exact so it's a little bit not an exact science I guess how you measure you science I guess how you measure you science I guess how you measure you can't point to number of humans but yeah can't point to number of humans but yeah can't point to number of humans but yeah and also I I hate so we actually fety DB

and also I I hate so we actually fety DB and also I I hate so we actually fety DB um. org is a like aggregator for um. org is a like aggregator for um. org is a like aggregator for different fediverse sites Mastered on different fediverse sites Mastered on different fediverse sites Mastered on and whatnot and we are in that now and and whatnot and we are in that now and and whatnot and we are in that now and so you can see like micr blog like so you can see like micr blog like so you can see like micr blog like here's how many fediverse accounts there here's how many fediverse accounts there here's how many fediverse accounts there are and like you know it's up 1% or are and like you know it's up 1% or are and like you know it's up 1% or whatever it's a really interesting way whatever it's a really interesting way whatever it's a really interesting way to look at stats on the therse but I to look at stats on the therse but I to look at stats on the therse but I also always feel a little bit weird also always feel a little bit weird also always feel a little bit weird pointing to that because you know pointing to that because you know pointing to that because you know there's spam accounts that people there's spam accounts that people there's spam accounts that people created that that's a big problem we created that that's a big problem we created that that's a big problem we we're always fighting like people we're always fighting like people we're always fighting like people registering and trying to make content registering and trying to make content registering and trying to make content Farms with just random text on the Farms with just random text on the Farms with just random text on the Internet for whatever reason and so the Internet for whatever reason and so the Internet for whatever reason and so the numbers are always a little bit that's I numbers are always a little bit that's I numbers are always a little bit that's I don't know it is reasonable to point out don't know it is reasonable to point out don't know it is reasonable to point out if you use fedy DB as an example it's a if you use fedy DB as an example it's a if you use fedy DB as an example it's a good-sized European country uh and you good-sized European country uh and you good-sized European country uh and you know certainly a billion plus posts out know certainly a billion plus posts out know certainly a billion plus posts out there in the fediverse and micro do blog there in the fediverse and micro do blog there in the fediverse and micro do blog being a big part of uh of moving the being a big part of uh of moving the being a big part of uh of moving the fediverse around the um the point though fediverse around the um the point though fediverse around the um the point though is that there's no one in charge and I is that there's no one in charge and I is that there's no one in charge and I think that's the part that's so think that's the part that's so think that's the part that's so wonderful about all of this like uh wonderful about all of this like uh wonderful about all of this like uh whether it be you know RSS in the early whether it be you know RSS in the early whether it be you know RSS in the early days or activity Pub like it's just a days or activity Pub like it's just a days or activity Pub like it's just a bunch of people sitting around saying bunch of people sitting around saying bunch of people sitting around saying how do we all own our own words and then how do we all own our own words and then how do we all own our own words and then move our words around in a way that move our words around in a way that move our words around in a way that makes uh everything interoperable like makes uh everything interoperable like makes uh everything interoperable like it's all about Choice isn't it m yeah it's all about Choice isn't it m yeah it's all about Choice isn't it m yeah absolutely and like there's something absolutely and like there's something absolutely and like there's something giving people a space preferably they giving people a space preferably they giving people a space preferably they have their own domain name we encourage have their own domain name we encourage have their own domain name we encourage people to have that kind of be able to people to have that kind of be able to people to have that kind of be able to take their content back from just take their content back from just take their content back from just posting to Facebook just posting to posting to Facebook just posting to posting to Facebook just posting to Twitter X Instagram having their own Twitter X Instagram having their own Twitter X Instagram having their own photo blog that's a huge thing people

photo blog that's a huge thing people photo blog that's a huge thing people love posting photos and sharing that love posting photos and sharing that love posting photos and sharing that stuff but they just are frustrated with stuff but they just are frustrated with stuff but they just are frustrated with like why are all my photos in meta like why are all my photos in meta like why are all my photos in meta control like why can't I have that on my control like why can't I have that on my control like why can't I have that on my own site and then if my own site can be own site and then if my own site can be own site and then if my own site can be connected to larger ferse so people on connected to larger ferse so people on connected to larger ferse so people on masteron can follow it they can see when masteron can follow it they can see when masteron can follow it they can see when I've posted a photo uh it's just very I've posted a photo uh it's just very I've posted a photo uh it's just very powerful and I feel like it's still powerful and I feel like it's still powerful and I feel like it's still we've been doing this so long he said we've been doing this so long he said we've been doing this so long he said 2017 but I feel like we're still just 2017 but I feel like we're still just 2017 but I feel like we're still just scratching the surface of where this scratching the surface of where this scratching the surface of where this this open Social Web can go is it the this open Social Web can go is it the this open Social Web can go is it the frictionless sign up or is it the frictionless sign up or is it the frictionless sign up or is it the algorithm the infinite scroll algorithm algorithm the infinite scroll algorithm algorithm the infinite scroll algorithm or is it the discoverability what is it or is it the discoverability what is it or is it the discoverability what is it that keeps causing people or compelling that keeps causing people or compelling that keeps causing people or compelling people to sign up for walled Gardens people to sign up for walled Gardens people to sign up for walled Gardens that's a great question I mean it is that's a great question I mean it is that's a great question I mean it is very easy and I think there's a lot we very easy and I think there's a lot we very easy and I think there's a lot we can learn from wall Gardens in terms of can learn from wall Gardens in terms of can learn from wall Gardens in terms of how they make it so effortless how we how they make it so effortless how we how they make it so effortless how we can because it is historically it's been can because it is historically it's been can because it is historically it's been it hasn't been hard to start a blog I it hasn't been hard to start a blog I it hasn't been hard to start a blog I mean you could fire up blogger in the mean you could fire up blogger in the mean you could fire up blogger in the old days or Tumblr it's fairly easy but old days or Tumblr it's fairly easy but old days or Tumblr it's fairly easy but there's still friction especially if you there's still friction especially if you there's still friction especially if you want to get your own domain name in the want to get your own domain name in the want to get your own domain name in the mix there's a lot there's a little mix there's a lot there's a little mix there's a lot there's a little technical hurdles you have to jump technical hurdles you have to jump technical hurdles you have to jump through so I think there is we can learn through so I think there is we can learn through so I think there is we can learn things from making it easier for users things from making it easier for users things from making it easier for users to get started yeah but on an open to get started yeah but on an open to get started yeah but on an open platform um and then there is the sort platform um and then there is the sort platform um and then there is the sort of I think there is an addictive nature of I think there is an addictive nature of I think there is an addictive nature to some of these platforms where the to some of these platforms where the to some of these platforms where the algorithmic timeline's always showing algorithmic timeline's always showing algorithmic timeline's always showing you things you might want to see and you things you might want to see and you things you might want to see and it's infinite so you just keep reloading it's infinite so you just keep reloading it's infinite so you just keep reloading and then the sort of dopamine hit of and then the sort of dopamine hit of and then the sort of dopamine hit of like someone liked my post and someone like someone liked my post and someone like someone liked my post and someone retweeted this and I I think there there retweeted this and I I think there there retweeted this and I I think there there is something there the engagement part

is something there the engagement part is something there the engagement part that gets people just they they keep that gets people just they they keep that gets people just they they keep coming back and then of course Facebook coming back and then of course Facebook coming back and then of course Facebook is emailing them if they're not coming is emailing them if they're not coming is emailing them if they're not coming back hey you missed like these three back hey you missed like these three back hey you missed like these three posts that your friends posted and we posts that your friends posted and we posts that your friends posted and we don't do any of that and micro do blog don't do any of that and micro do blog don't do any of that and micro do blog like it I feel like there are people like it I feel like there are people like it I feel like there are people that not everybody but there are enough that not everybody but there are enough that not everybody but there are enough people that want a sort of quieter space people that want a sort of quieter space people that want a sort of quieter space on the web you can interact with people on the web you can interact with people on the web you can interact with people but it's not doesn't feel like you're but it's not doesn't feel like you're but it's not doesn't feel like you're constantly being uh pulled back constantly being uh pulled back constantly being uh pulled back in when I started working in software 30 in when I started working in software 30 in when I started working in software 30 years ago I went to work at a um a years ago I went to work at a um a years ago I went to work at a um a consultancy that did not want to be a consultancy that did not want to be a consultancy that did not want to be a big consultancy they explicitly this was big consultancy they explicitly this was big consultancy they explicitly this was during the the first DOC bubble and during the the first DOC bubble and during the the first DOC bubble and everybody was trying to go everybody was trying to go everybody was trying to go uh you know go public and when I met the uh you know go public and when I met the uh you know go public and when I met the VP of this the co-founder slvp of this VP of this the co-founder slvp of this VP of this the co-founder slvp of this thing he says we are running a boutique thing he says we are running a boutique thing he says we are running a boutique here and that word Boutique has stuck here and that word Boutique has stuck here and that word Boutique has stuck with me for years because I just love it with me for years because I just love it with me for years because I just love it it's like I'm making a lovely little it's like I'm making a lovely little it's like I'm making a lovely little delightful shop here on Main Street stop delightful shop here on Main Street stop delightful shop here on Main Street stop by enjoy the space and then take off but by enjoy the space and then take off but by enjoy the space and then take off but we have we're not trying to be Macy's we have we're not trying to be Macy's we have we're not trying to be Macy's we're not trying to be the next big we're not trying to be the next big we're not trying to be the next big thing how do you balance the you know thing how do you balance the you know thing how do you balance the you know microblog could take over the world microblog could take over the world microblog could take over the world would be the next big thing with the would be the next big thing with the would be the next big thing with the with you know your your fundamental with you know your your fundamental with you know your your fundamental things you stand for you know the things you stand for you know the things you stand for you know the protocols and the principles of the protocols and the principles of the protocols and the principles of the Indie web yeah absolutely I I think that Indie web yeah absolutely I I think that Indie web yeah absolutely I I think that when platforms get too big new problems when platforms get too big new problems when platforms get too big new problems are created in terms of content are created in terms of content are created in terms of content moderation and you know especially moderation and you know especially moderation and you know especially ad-based platforms there's these

ad-based platforms there's these ad-based platforms there's these incentives that a business is drawn to incentives that a business is drawn to incentives that a business is drawn to when they're when they get really big when they're when they get really big when they're when they get really big and I would love to avoid that we never and I would love to avoid that we never and I would love to avoid that we never need to be a billion people a million need to be a billion people a million need to be a billion people a million people we are fine in the you know tens people we are fine in the you know tens people we are fine in the you know tens of thousands hund if if we ever had like of thousands hund if if we ever had like of thousands hund if if we ever had like a 100 thousand people that would be like a 100 thousand people that would be like a 100 thousand people that would be like we'd probably like have to shut things we'd probably like have to shut things we'd probably like have to shut things down and just like no more people down and just like no more people down and just like no more people because I think smaller platforms uh because I think smaller platforms uh because I think smaller platforms uh there's benefits especially on the there's benefits especially on the there's benefits especially on the fediverse where you have these smaller fediverse where you have these smaller fediverse where you have these smaller communities that can interoperate and communities that can interoperate and communities that can interoperate and you you can have like local people in you you can have like local people in you you can have like local people in that Community kind of managing the the that Community kind of managing the the that Community kind of managing the the community and dealing with reports of community and dealing with reports of community and dealing with reports of problems and staying on top of it when problems and staying on top of it when problems and staying on top of it when you get too big it just creates a lot of you get too big it just creates a lot of you get too big it just creates a lot of problems so I am F I like the boutique problems so I am F I like the boutique problems so I am F I like the boutique I've never used that term to describe I've never used that term to describe I've never used that term to describe myself but I like that small company myself but I like that small company myself but I like that small company doesn't need thousands of employees I doesn't need thousands of employees I doesn't need thousands of employees I prefer it that way personally I think prefer it that way personally I think prefer it that way personally I think there's something to like the kind of there's something to like the kind of there's something to like the kind of small corners of the internet yeah uh small corners of the internet yeah uh small corners of the internet yeah uh Andy beo was like we should make the web Andy beo was like we should make the web Andy beo was like we should make the web weird again like we miss the weird web weird again like we miss the weird web weird again like we miss the weird web and just like geoc cities that said and just like geoc cities that said and just like geoc cities that said though I I'm I've been I did a lot of though I I'm I've been I did a lot of though I I'm I've been I did a lot of research and I've been poking around and research and I've been poking around and research and I've been poking around and um you know from going to um you know from going to um you know from going to microblog where are all the blogs microblog where are all the blogs microblog where are all the blogs discoverability seems to be a low discoverability seems to be a low discoverability seems to be a low priority because you're not going out of priority because you're not going out of priority because you're not going out of your way to say look who's here like you your way to say look who's here like you your way to say look who's here like you could have George teay and I would have could have George teay and I would have could have George teay and I would have no way of knowing because he's not on no way of knowing because he's not on no way of knowing because he's not on the homepage right so like why not make the homepage right so like why not make the homepage right so like why not make it so people can be seen and is that it so people can be seen and is that it so people can be seen and is that that seems like a conscious decision it that seems like a conscious decision it that seems like a conscious decision it is a conscious decision but there's is a conscious decision but there's is a conscious decision but there's always this balance and we don't always

always this balance and we don't always always this balance and we don't always get it right I think and so one of the get it right I think and so one of the get it right I think and so one of the unique Parts about micro do blog is I unique Parts about micro do blog is I unique Parts about micro do blog is I had this idea that when you're had this idea that when you're had this idea that when you're constantly throwing you know here's the constantly throwing you know here's the constantly throwing you know here's the trending hashtags and you're just trending hashtags and you're just trending hashtags and you're just constantly all these ways to like slice constantly all these ways to like slice constantly all these ways to like slice the fire hose of data and tweets the fire hose of data and tweets the fire hose of data and tweets together um it kind of creates problems together um it kind of creates problems together um it kind of creates problems for like different communities kind of for like different communities kind of for like different communities kind of clashing and there's a potential for uh clashing and there's a potential for uh clashing and there's a potential for uh people piggybacking on other people's people piggybacking on other people's people piggybacking on other people's conversations and sort of being hateful conversations and sort of being hateful conversations and sort of being hateful and like there's just problems that pop and like there's just problems that pop and like there's just problems that pop up so we've tried to take the opposite up so we've tried to take the opposite up so we've tried to take the opposite approach a little bit quieter a little approach a little bit quieter a little approach a little bit quieter a little bit slower and in fact the disc sexual bit slower and in fact the disc sexual bit slower and in fact the disc sexual micro is just hand curated it's not micro is just hand curated it's not micro is just hand curated it's not automatic it's not algorithmic so automatic it's not algorithmic so automatic it's not algorithmic so there's a human actually going through there's a human actually going through there's a human actually going through and saying like here's are some here are and saying like here's are some here are and saying like here's are some here are some people in some posts recently that some people in some posts recently that some people in some posts recently that kind of a snapshot of what is on the kind of a snapshot of what is on the kind of a snapshot of what is on the network that you might find interesting network that you might find interesting network that you might find interesting and it it is limiting in some ways and and it it is limiting in some ways and and it it is limiting in some ways and it is um maybe just a little harder to it is um maybe just a little harder to it is um maybe just a little harder to find people sometimes and I acknowledge find people sometimes and I acknowledge find people sometimes and I acknowledge that like I said like sometimes I think that like I said like sometimes I think that like I said like sometimes I think the balance is Maybe too far into the the balance is Maybe too far into the the balance is Maybe too far into the other direction maybe we need to get other direction maybe we need to get other direction maybe we need to get make it a little more easier to be make it a little more easier to be make it a little more easier to be discovered sure but also that's part of discovered sure but also that's part of discovered sure but also that's part of blogs and the web like you start a blog blogs and the web like you start a blog blogs and the web like you start a blog and at the very beginning you are sort and at the very beginning you are sort and at the very beginning you are sort of writing into the void a little bit of writing into the void a little bit of writing into the void a little bit and I think the people that are and I think the people that are and I think the people that are interested in micro do blog and blogging interested in micro do blog and blogging interested in micro do blog and blogging they have to be okay with that to start they have to be okay with that to start they have to be okay with that to start with like you're not going to start with with like you're not going to start with with like you're not going to start with 10,000 followers you're GNA start with

10,000 followers you're GNA start with 10,000 followers you're GNA start with just there has to be uh a reason that just there has to be uh a reason that just there has to be uh a reason that you're writing and you're posting your you're writing and you're posting your you're writing and you're posting your photo and things that you want to share photo and things that you want to share photo and things that you want to share even if you don't have millions of even if you don't have millions of even if you don't have millions of people looking at it and so it's it is people looking at it and so it's it is people looking at it and so it's it is tricky yeah but that's that's sort of tricky yeah but that's that's sort of tricky yeah but that's that's sort of the the the the way we've you know more the the the the way we've you know more the the the the way we've you know more slower a little more hand slower a little more hand slower a little more hand curated a little harder to discover curated a little harder to discover curated a little harder to discover people but there's there's new ways that people but there's there's new ways that people but there's there's new ways that people are being discovered on social people are being discovered on social people are being discovered on social platforms that we can connect to also I platforms that we can connect to also I platforms that we can connect to also I do like your your statement about the do like your your statement about the do like your your statement about the quieter web like I'm on m. blog Discover quieter web like I'm on m. blog Discover quieter web like I'm on m. blog Discover right now just to give folks that are right now just to give folks that are right now just to give folks that are listening a bit of a sense of the kind listening a bit of a sense of the kind listening a bit of a sense of the kind of Vibes we're talking about you've got of Vibes we're talking about you've got of Vibes we're talking about you've got books and TV and music and podcasts sure books and TV and music and podcasts sure books and TV and music and podcasts sure but there's also bread and gardening and but there's also bread and gardening and but there's also bread and gardening and writing you know what I mean like and writing you know what I mean like and writing you know what I mean like and and the first picture is like a picture and the first picture is like a picture and the first picture is like a picture of someone's backyard in the snow it it of someone's backyard in the snow it it of someone's backyard in the snow it it is if you if you if you don't want a an is if you if you if you don't want a an is if you if you if you don't want a an environment that shouts at you this is environment that shouts at you this is environment that shouts at you this is probably the place to hang out yeah and probably the place to hang out yeah and probably the place to hang out yeah and I think I think a lot of people do want I think I think a lot of people do want I think I think a lot of people do want that and that's not to say you shouldn't that and that's not to say you shouldn't that and that's not to say you shouldn't and there's not like a lot of politics and there's not like a lot of politics and there's not like a lot of politics and there or like really divisive and there or like really divisive and there or like really divisive topics we're not like censoring anyone I topics we're not like censoring anyone I topics we're not like censoring anyone I mean you can put whatever you know mean you can put whatever you know mean you can put whatever you know politics or any you know whatever thing politics or any you know whatever thing politics or any you know whatever thing you want on your own blog it's your own you want on your own blog it's your own you want on your own blog it's your own space but that doesn't mean it needs to space but that doesn't mean it needs to space but that doesn't mean it needs to be Amplified to everybody and so that be Amplified to everybody and so that be Amplified to everybody and so that that's sort of where our Discover that's sort of where our Discover that's sort of where our Discover timeline comes into into play but timeline comes into into play but timeline comes into into play but there's also there's so much room for there's also there's so much room for there's also there's so much room for improvement too and there's so many

improvement too and there's so many improvement too and there's so many interesting things people are doing like interesting things people are doing like interesting things people are doing like I found that the like the blue skies I found that the like the blue skies I found that the like the blue skies their starter packs I thought were their starter packs I thought were their starter packs I thought were really interesting where you here's a really interesting where you here's a really interesting where you here's a here are like 20 people that I recommend here are like 20 people that I recommend here are like 20 people that I recommend you follow when you get started I think you follow when you get started I think you follow when you get started I think there's things we can do like that um there's things we can do like that um there's things we can do like that um well so let me let me cut off there well so let me let me cut off there well so let me let me cut off there because there was a lot of tension in because there was a lot of tension in because there was a lot of tension in the early days of Twitter 2006 2007 uh I the early days of Twitter 2006 2007 uh I the early days of Twitter 2006 2007 uh I remember Anil Dash was one of the remember Anil Dash was one of the remember Anil Dash was one of the biggest most followed people on he early biggest most followed people on he early biggest most followed people on he early blogger uh and he used to be one of the blogger uh and he used to be one of the blogger uh and he used to be one of the first people that anyone follow and first people that anyone follow and first people that anyone follow and people would say well he got an unfair people would say well he got an unfair people would say well he got an unfair Advantage because he's like you know Advantage because he's like you know Advantage because he's like you know Twitter sign up person number nine you Twitter sign up person number nine you Twitter sign up person number nine you sign up and it's like here's a couple of sign up and it's like here's a couple of sign up and it's like here's a couple of people to follow here's a couple people people to follow here's a couple people people to follow here's a couple people to follow is a starter pack of sorts and to follow is a starter pack of sorts and to follow is a starter pack of sorts and then you know three days into Twitter then you know three days into Twitter then you know three days into Twitter he's got a half million followers or he's got a half million followers or he's got a half million followers or whatever and we're like hey hang on a whatever and we're like hey hang on a whatever and we're like hey hang on a second so starter packs can draw second so starter packs can draw second so starter packs can draw attention to people who maybe don't want attention to people who maybe don't want attention to people who maybe don't want attention but also could indirectly and attention but also could indirectly and attention but also could indirectly and no no hate to enil but I'm just using no no hate to enil but I'm just using no no hate to enil but I'm just using him as an example um who's lucky enough him as an example um who's lucky enough him as an example um who's lucky enough to be in the starter pack there's a to be in the starter pack there's a to be in the starter pack there's a thing happening on threads right now thing happening on threads right now thing happening on threads right now where Tech threads is a thing that was where Tech threads is a thing that was where Tech threads is a thing that was invented by a bunch of people and then invented by a bunch of people and then invented by a bunch of people and then threads is making starter packs complete threads is making starter packs complete threads is making starter packs complete ripoff of blue sky and a bunch of the ripoff of blue sky and a bunch of the ripoff of blue sky and a bunch of the people who made Tech threads are not in people who made Tech threads are not in people who made Tech threads are not in the starter pack so then everyone's like the starter pack so then everyone's like the starter pack so then everyone's like what look at me you know you just can't what look at me you know you just can't what look at me you know you just can't please anyone so maybe you just true be please anyone so maybe you just true be please anyone so maybe you just true be quiet and please no one so a couple quiet and please no one so a couple quiet and please no one so a couple things on that I first of all uh I I things on that I first of all uh I I things on that I first of all uh I I think starter packs are interesting think starter packs are interesting think starter packs are interesting because they can be a little more because they can be a little more because they can be a little more distributed than that like they you distributed than that like they you distributed than that like they you could have like thousands of starter

could have like thousands of starter could have like thousands of starter packs for like the like here's people packs for like the like here's people packs for like the like here's people that like are authors and people who that like are authors and people who that like are authors and people who love books and follow these people and love books and follow these people and love books and follow these people and we actually kind of we can connect with we actually kind of we can connect with we actually kind of we can connect with those starter packs now you can link those starter packs now you can link those starter packs now you can link them on microblog and follow those them on microblog and follow those them on microblog and follow those people which is I think really powerful people which is I think really powerful people which is I think really powerful but to your first point I also remember but to your first point I also remember but to your first point I also remember the sort of Twitter follower list and I the sort of Twitter follower list and I the sort of Twitter follower list and I think one of the problems was it was think one of the problems was it was think one of the problems was it was this kind of like Global like everybody this kind of like Global like everybody this kind of like Global like everybody follow these people and they did they follow these people and they did they follow these people and they did they did sort of have an unfair advantage and did sort of have an unfair advantage and did sort of have an unfair advantage and there was this uh Snowball Effect of there was this uh Snowball Effect of there was this uh Snowball Effect of like well yeah once they're on that list like well yeah once they're on that list like well yeah once they're on that list then they have a million followers and then they have a million followers and then they have a million followers and then everybody thinks they're amazing then everybody thinks they're amazing then everybody thinks they're amazing because they're going to have you know a because they're going to have you know a because they're going to have you know a thousand times more likes than everybody thousand times more likes than everybody thousand times more likes than everybody else and I think it's better to get back else and I think it's better to get back else and I think it's better to get back to like the content speaking for itself to like the content speaking for itself to like the content speaking for itself so on our Discover page at the very very so on our Discover page at the very very so on our Discover page at the very very beginning you know six seven years ago beginning you know six seven years ago beginning you know six seven years ago we had something like here are some we had something like here are some we had something like here are some people to follow and we pretty quickly people to follow and we pretty quickly people to follow and we pretty quickly scrapped it and instead it's it's kind scrapped it and instead it's it's kind scrapped it and instead it's it's kind of a snapshot of here our recent posts of a snapshot of here our recent posts of a snapshot of here our recent posts in chronological reverse chronological in chronological reverse chronological in chronological reverse chronological order so instead of being about people order so instead of being about people order so instead of being about people it's about the content so so yeah that it's about the content so so yeah that it's about the content so so yeah that post of someone's backyard with the snow post of someone's backyard with the snow post of someone's backyard with the snow like if you like the PO the photos that like if you like the PO the photos that like if you like the PO the photos that they're posting follow them and I it they're posting follow them and I it they're posting follow them and I it also naturally kind of turns over also naturally kind of turns over also naturally kind of turns over because it's recent posts so I I'm very because it's recent posts so I I'm very because it's recent posts so I I'm very conscious of this I think it is a conscious of this I think it is a conscious of this I think it is a problem when people gain a certain problem when people gain a certain problem when people gain a certain amount of followers and then they just amount of followers and then they just amount of followers and then they just sort of naturally become more and more sort of naturally become more and more sort of naturally become more and more popular and somewhere in mic we have an popular and somewhere in mic we have an popular and somewhere in mic we have an article or a blog post that's like it's

article or a blog post that's like it's article or a blog post that's like it's not a popularity contest it's not about not a popularity contest it's not about not a popularity contest it's not about light counts it's not about follower light counts it's not about follower light counts it's not about follower accounts we don't show follower accounts accounts we don't show follower accounts accounts we don't show follower accounts anywhere yeah you know so like if you anywhere yeah you know so like if you anywhere yeah you know so like if you like that photo of the snow and you like that photo of the snow and you like that photo of the snow and you think they're going to post more think they're going to post more think they're going to post more beautiful photos or you like what beautiful photos or you like what beautiful photos or you like what they're saying follow them it doesn't they're saying follow them it doesn't they're saying follow them it doesn't matter you're not going to be affected matter you're not going to be affected matter you're not going to be affected by the fact that that photo got 10,000 by the fact that that photo got 10,000 by the fact that that photo got 10,000 likes versus someone who posted a photo likes versus someone who posted a photo likes versus someone who posted a photo it was also amazing that only got five it was also amazing that only got five it was also amazing that only got five likes there's a a fundamental uh concept likes there's a a fundamental uh concept likes there's a a fundamental uh concept called posi publish on your own site called posi publish on your own site called posi publish on your own site Syndicate elsewhere can you talk about Syndicate elsewhere can you talk about Syndicate elsewhere can you talk about posi and why that's why that's so posi and why that's why that's so posi and why that's why that's so fundamental yeah absolutely I mean it's fundamental yeah absolutely I mean it's fundamental yeah absolutely I mean it's kind of getting back kind of getting back kind of getting back to taking your content a like you post to taking your content a like you post to taking your content a like you post to your own site first instead of like to your own site first instead of like to your own site first instead of like thinking about like I'm going to wake up thinking about like I'm going to wake up thinking about like I'm going to wake up in the morning and I'm going to tweet in the morning and I'm going to tweet in the morning and I'm going to tweet something I'm gonna post a photo to something I'm gonna post a photo to something I'm gonna post a photo to Instagram I post to my own blog where I Instagram I post to my own blog where I Instagram I post to my own blog where I control it and then I copy it out to control it and then I copy it out to control it and then I copy it out to other platforms so that I can still stay other platforms so that I can still stay other platforms so that I can still stay connected to people so yeah p is a connected to people so yeah p is a connected to people so yeah p is a longtime like Indie web principal and longtime like Indie web principal and longtime like Indie web principal and there's a lot of different ways to do it there's a lot of different ways to do it there's a lot of different ways to do it of course in M boy we have built-in ways of course in M boy we have built-in ways of course in M boy we have built-in ways to like automatically cross out to to like automatically cross out to to like automatically cross out to Maston Blue Sky whatever and Maston Blue Sky whatever and Maston Blue Sky whatever and unfortunately there are still some unfortunately there are still some unfortunately there are still some platforms that have locked down like platforms that have locked down like platforms that have locked down like public API so it's kind of harder to public API so it's kind of harder to public API so it's kind of harder to automatically post to like Instagram for automatically post to like Instagram for automatically post to like Instagram for example um but there are enough that do example um but there are enough that do example um but there are enough that do it that it's it's just a great way you it that it's it's just a great way you it that it's it's just a great way you post to your own site you control it you post to your own site you control it you post to your own site you control it you can do whatever you want you can you can do whatever you want you can you can do whatever you want you can you know customize your own site you have know customize your own site you have know customize your own site you have ownership of it you can switch you know

ownership of it you can switch you know ownership of it you can switch you know hosting providers but you send a copy hosting providers but you send a copy hosting providers but you send a copy out automatically to yeah blue sky and out automatically to yeah blue sky and out automatically to yeah blue sky and then you have the followers there that then you have the followers there that then you have the followers there that can see what you're up to so it it's can see what you're up to so it it's can see what you're up to so it it's kind of a in some ways it's like of a kind of a in some ways it's like of a kind of a in some ways it's like of a kind of a compromise admitting that you kind of a compromise admitting that you kind of a compromise admitting that you not everybody is g to have my blog in not everybody is g to have my blog in not everybody is g to have my blog in their RSS reader that's okay there are their RSS reader that's okay there are their RSS reader that's okay there are some people that just are on social some people that just are on social some people that just are on social networks and I also want to reach those networks and I also want to reach those networks and I also want to reach those people yeah and then the inverse of that people yeah and then the inverse of that people yeah and then the inverse of that is publish elsewhere Syndicate to your is publish elsewhere Syndicate to your is publish elsewhere Syndicate to your own site which is it's pull versus push own site which is it's pull versus push own site which is it's pull versus push and uh you know honestly I have done and uh you know honestly I have done and uh you know honestly I have done both and neither of these by just simply both and neither of these by just simply both and neither of these by just simply using the clipboard like people people using the clipboard like people people using the clipboard like people people will constantly email me how are you will constantly email me how are you will constantly email me how are you doing this how are you copying a mast on doing this how are you copying a mast on doing this how are you copying a mast on a blue Skyy clipboard yeah you know and a blue Skyy clipboard yeah you know and a blue Skyy clipboard yeah you know and some people prefer that too because then some people prefer that too because then some people prefer that too because then you can kind of like tweak each one a you can kind of like tweak each one a you can kind of like tweak each one a little bit for each Network that's fine little bit for each Network that's fine little bit for each Network that's fine yeah but I have to say though I am yeah but I have to say though I am yeah but I have to say though I am always impressed when I see someone I always impressed when I see someone I always impressed when I see someone I use tantech or or or Andy bio as an use tantech or or or Andy bio as an use tantech or or or Andy bio as an example where it's like you go to their example where it's like you go to their example where it's like you go to their website and it's clear that it all website and it's clear that it all website and it's clear that it all starts there yeah and then it finds its starts there yeah and then it finds its starts there yeah and then it finds its way out but most of those are bespoke way out but most of those are bespoke way out but most of those are bespoke and I think microblog is a great way to and I think microblog is a great way to and I think microblog is a great way to get that kind of an experience with and get that kind of an experience with and get that kind of an experience with and and you've done all the and you've done all the and you've done all the engineering yeah and we tried to like I engineering yeah and we tried to like I engineering yeah and we tried to like I built it that way the very first version built it that way the very first version built it that way the very first version of micro doog didn't have we we call it of micro doog didn't have we we call it of micro doog didn't have we we call it kind of crossposting because posy it kind of crossposting because posy it kind of crossposting because posy it feels a little technical sometimes but feels a little technical sometimes but feels a little technical sometimes but it's it's catching on as a term now so I it's it's catching on as a term now so I it's it's catching on as a term now so I think we'll probably use it more than we think we'll probably use it more than we think we'll probably use it more than we did a few years ago but we didn't have did a few years ago but we didn't have did a few years ago but we didn't have cross posting out to other networks and

cross posting out to other networks and cross posting out to other networks and I added it for Twitter because I I was I added it for Twitter because I I was I added it for Twitter because I I was frustrated that there weren't any good frustrated that there weren't any good frustrated that there weren't any good Solutions out there for copying to Solutions out there for copying to Solutions out there for copying to Twitter in a way that I was happy with Twitter in a way that I was happy with Twitter in a way that I was happy with so like there were places that could so like there were places that could so like there were places that could automatically copy or post but like a automatically copy or post but like a automatically copy or post but like a link they put like links in back to your link they put like links in back to your link they put like links in back to your blog that I didn't want like I wanted if blog that I didn't want like I wanted if blog that I didn't want like I wanted if I had a short post on my own blog that I had a short post on my own blog that I had a short post on my own blog that was just like a 100 was just like a 100 was just like a 100 characters I wanted it to feel like a characters I wanted it to feel like a characters I wanted it to feel like a tweet when it was copied out to Twitter tweet when it was copied out to Twitter tweet when it was copied out to Twitter so that's where it started it's I got to so that's where it started it's I got to so that's where it started it's I got to build my own thing and then from there build my own thing and then from there build my own thing and then from there now we have like I don't know eight or now we have like I don't know eight or now we have like I don't know eight or nine different services that we support nine different services that we support nine different services that we support and each one is coded specifically for and each one is coded specifically for and each one is coded specifically for that API so it adapts the post as best that API so it adapts the post as best that API so it adapts the post as best it can to you know thinking about like it can to you know thinking about like it can to you know thinking about like if it needs to be truncated if there if it needs to be truncated if there if it needs to be truncated if there needs to be a link if it needs to upload needs to be a link if it needs to upload needs to be a link if it needs to upload photos to that service that it tries to photos to that service that it tries to photos to that service that it tries to do the right thing do the right thing do the right thing automatically I think the thing that I automatically I think the thing that I automatically I think the thing that I want to hit as we get towards the end want to hit as we get towards the end want to hit as we get towards the end here which I think is impossible and I here which I think is impossible and I here which I think is impossible and I want to understand how you're doing it want to understand how you're doing it want to understand how you're doing it is micro do1 it's a dollar a month like is micro do1 it's a dollar a month like is micro do1 it's a dollar a month like that's amazing and I want to call this that's amazing and I want to call this that's amazing and I want to call this out because you have three plans micro out because you have three plans micro out because you have three plans micro do1 microblog and micro blog premium do1 microblog and micro blog premium do1 microblog and micro blog premium it's a buck five bucks or 10 bucks we're it's a buck five bucks or 10 bucks we're it's a buck five bucks or 10 bucks we're literally talking about less than a cup literally talking about less than a cup literally talking about less than a cup of coffee here and you know how when you of coffee here and you know how when you of coffee here and you know how when you have like your three plans and the thing have like your three plans and the thing have like your three plans and the thing you want is always on premium well micro you want is always on premium well micro you want is always on premium well micro do1 literally host your own domain name do1 literally host your own domain name do1 literally host your own domain name photo hosting podcast hosting

photo hosting podcast hosting photo hosting podcast hosting how are you how is that possible how are how are you how is that possible how are how are you how is that possible how are you going to make money on that how can you going to make money on that how can you going to make money on that how can you even do the domain name for a dollar you even do the domain name for a dollar you even do the domain name for a dollar a month yeah well so the domain name a month yeah well so the domain name a month yeah well so the domain name will host the domain name for you but will host the domain name for you but will host the domain name for you but you do the registration fee is separate you do the registration fee is separate you do the registration fee is separate that's not includ at all that makes me that's not includ at all that makes me that's not includ at all that makes me feel better yeah because that would be I feel better yeah because that would be I feel better yeah because that would be I don't want you to lose money I'm just don't want you to lose money I'm just don't want you to lose money I'm just like what's going on yeah it's so it's a like what's going on yeah it's so it's a like what's going on yeah it's so it's a new experiment we just launched it a new experiment we just launched it a new experiment we just launched it a week ago week ago week ago I don't 100% know to be honest with you I don't 100% know to be honest with you I don't 100% know to be honest with you how it's going to play out and I joke how it's going to play out and I joke how it's going to play out and I joke with people that like I had to sort of with people that like I had to sort of with people that like I had to sort of secretly build and launch this because I secretly build and launch this because I secretly build and launch this because I know people would talk me out of doing know people would talk me out of doing know people would talk me out of doing it but I love these simple prices like I it but I love these simple prices like I it but I love these simple prices like I love the micro do Blog the standard plan love the micro do Blog the standard plan love the micro do Blog the standard plan is $5 a month it's always been $5 a is $5 a month it's always been $5 a is $5 a month it's always been $5 a month it will always be $5 a month month it will always be $5 a month month it will always be $5 a month probably like everybody else increases probably like everybody else increases probably like everybody else increases their prices or uses like trick pricing their prices or uses like trick pricing their prices or uses like trick pricing or gimmicky like yeah this is the most or gimmicky like yeah this is the most or gimmicky like yeah this is the most popular plan of the three I love just popular plan of the three I love just popular plan of the three I love just like simple it's $5 you know it most like simple it's $5 you know it most like simple it's $5 you know it most people I can't say most people there are people I can't say most people there are people I can't say most people there are a lot of people over the world in in the a lot of people over the world in in the a lot of people over the world in in the world that can't afford bu a month as an world that can't afford bu a month as an world that can't afford bu a month as an extra cost but a lot of people it's a extra cost but a lot of people it's a extra cost but a lot of people it's a no-brainer people that are going getting no-brainer people that are going getting no-brainer people that are going getting their coffee like you said $6 so I mean their coffee like you said $6 so I mean their coffee like you said $6 so I mean for people in the global South a dollar for people in the global South a dollar for people in the global South a dollar a month could be a very reasonable thing a month could be a very reasonable thing a month could be a very reasonable thing but $5 a month is still like 60 bucks a but $5 a month is still like 60 bucks a but $5 a month is still like 60 bucks a year like M and so hopefully the dollar year like M and so hopefully the dollar year like M and so hopefully the dollar a month will really be able to reach a month will really be able to reach a month will really be able to reach more people that was the idea is like more people that was the idea is like more people that was the idea is like can we reach more people for like can we reach more people for like can we reach more people for like getting back to friction and like making getting back to friction and like making getting back to friction and like making it easier to sign up a dollar is still it easier to sign up a dollar is still it easier to sign up a dollar is still friction for some people some people friction for some people some people friction for some people some people just will not pay anything and that's just will not pay anything and that's just will not pay anything and that's fine a credit card that's friction you

fine a credit card that's friction you fine a credit card that's friction you need a credit card you do need a credit need a credit card you do need a credit need a credit card you do need a credit card and that and a a lot of that uh the card and that and a a lot of that uh the card and that and a a lot of that uh the the making people put a credit card in the making people put a credit card in the making people put a credit card in to be honest a lot of it's just like I to be honest a lot of it's just like I to be honest a lot of it's just like I don't want spammers using it like we've don't want spammers using it like we've don't want spammers using it like we've been burned with people just like been burned with people just like been burned with people just like signing up free accounts and and I think signing up free accounts and and I think signing up free accounts and and I think that's only any worse with like just AI that's only any worse with like just AI that's only any worse with like just AI generated slop everywhere on the generated slop everywhere on the generated slop everywhere on the internet so um you have to put a credit internet so um you have to put a credit internet so um you have to put a credit card in for $1 there's not even a trial card in for $1 there's not even a trial card in for $1 there's not even a trial you just you pay a dollar if you think you just you pay a dollar if you think you just you pay a dollar if you think it's worth it if you don't you move on it's worth it if you don't you move on it's worth it if you don't you move on and there's other free option out there and there's other free option out there and there's other free option out there like Tumblr or just keep posting like Tumblr or just keep posting like Tumblr or just keep posting wherever you're posting so it's a little wherever you're posting so it's a little wherever you're posting so it's a little bit of experiment we do include a whole bit of experiment we do include a whole bit of experiment we do include a whole bunch um but so far it's working like I bunch um but so far it's working like I bunch um but so far it's working like I I feel like we are reaching more people I feel like we are reaching more people I feel like we are reaching more people people are excited about it and it's people are excited about it and it's people are excited about it and it's just it's simple yeah micro dot one this just it's simple yeah micro dot one this just it's simple yeah micro dot one this $1 I I try to make it as simple as $1 I I try to make it as simple as $1 I I try to make it as simple as possible and it includes so many things possible and it includes so many things possible and it includes so many things like there it includes things that like like there it includes things that like like there it includes things that like you'll find on like a $25 a month yeah you'll find on like a $25 a month yeah you'll find on like a $25 a month yeah you know hosting plan yeah photo hosting you know hosting plan yeah photo hosting you know hosting plan yeah photo hosting podcast and then and if you upgrade for podcast and then and if you upgrade for podcast and then and if you upgrade for $5 a month you get automatic $5 a month you get automatic $5 a month you get automatic crossposting to threads and blue sky and crossposting to threads and blue sky and crossposting to threads and blue sky and other services so and no limit too like other services so and no limit too like other services so and no limit too like a lot of places are like you can only a lot of places are like you can only a lot of places are like you can only cross post to three places but unless cross post to three places but unless cross post to three places but unless you pay more and no there's no limit you pay more and no there's no limit you pay more and no there's no limit post to as many places as you want now post to as many places as you want now post to as many places as you want now from a technical perspective as a as a from a technical perspective as a as a from a technical perspective as a as a Dev myself like you started in Jackal Dev myself like you started in Jackal Dev myself like you started in Jackal years and years ago but are you still on years and years ago but are you still on years and years ago but are you still on Hugo now on Hugo now yeah we moved to Hugo now on Hugo now yeah we moved to Hugo now on Hugo now yeah we moved to from jao to Hugo I really like Hugo and from jao to Hugo I really like Hugo and from jao to Hugo I really like Hugo and I think at this point we are so tied I think at this point we are so tied I think at this point we are so tied into it with custom themes and plugins

into it with custom themes and plugins into it with custom themes and plugins we'll probably just stick with it we'll probably just stick with it we'll probably just stick with it forever I I in theory we could support forever I I in theory we could support forever I I in theory we could support multiple blogging engines and we we do multiple blogging engines and we we do multiple blogging engines and we we do support multiple Hugo versions so like support multiple Hugo versions so like support multiple Hugo versions so like we default to one that we know is we default to one that we know is we default to one that we know is compatible with like all the built-in compatible with like all the built-in compatible with like all the built-in themes but you if you want to kind of be themes but you if you want to kind of be themes but you if you want to kind of be in the wild west and you know use a more in the wild west and you know use a more in the wild west and you know use a more recent version of Hugo uh go for it and recent version of Hugo uh go for it and recent version of Hugo uh go for it and a lot of people hopefully won't even a lot of people hopefully won't even a lot of people hopefully won't even think about this but it allows a lot of think about this but it allows a lot of think about this but it allows a lot of power rather than vening our own like power rather than vening our own like power rather than vening our own like template language like the fact that you template language like the fact that you template language like the fact that you could take a Hugo blog and like a theme could take a Hugo blog and like a theme could take a Hugo blog and like a theme and import it into microblog essentially and import it into microblog essentially and import it into microblog essentially it's not like an import button but like it's not like an import button but like it's not like an import button but like you could copy it and tweak the themes you could copy it and tweak the themes you could copy it and tweak the themes so that they work with your blog there's so that they work with your blog there's so that they work with your blog there's a lot of flexibility in there like I I'm a lot of flexibility in there like I I'm a lot of flexibility in there like I I'm confident that like no one will ever say confident that like no one will ever say confident that like no one will ever say like there's something they can't do like there's something they can't do like there's something they can't do because we are like behind the scenes because we are like behind the scenes because we are like behind the scenes we're powered by that engine and I I we're powered by that engine and I I we're powered by that engine and I I wanted to call out Hugo just because I'm wanted to call out Hugo just because I'm wanted to call out Hugo just because I'm personally a fan of like simple whatever personally a fan of like simple whatever personally a fan of like simple whatever your architecture is whoever is your architecture is whoever is your architecture is whoever is listening to this show whatever your listening to this show whatever your listening to this show whatever your website architecture is it's too website architecture is it's too website architecture is it's too complicated like like if you have a Blog complicated like like if you have a Blog complicated like like if you have a Blog if you wrote your own blog and you hit if you wrote your own blog and you hit if you wrote your own blog and you hit you know you you HTTP get to an article you know you you HTTP get to an article you know you you HTTP get to an article and that involves opening up a database and that involves opening up a database and that involves opening up a database connection or hitting something or for connection or hitting something or for connection or hitting something or for looping over anything that's too much a looping over anything that's too much a looping over anything that's too much a static site generator like it hearkens static site generator like it hearkens static site generator like it hearkens back to a simpler time because it was back to a simpler time because it was back to a simpler time because it was not only was it a simpler time it's just not only was it a simpler time it's just not only was it a simpler time it's just not freaking necessary to open it like not freaking necessary to open it like not freaking necessary to open it like I'm I'm so shocked when you hit like I'm I'm so shocked when you hit like I'm I'm so shocked when you hit like database not there like when you hit a database not there like when you hit a database not there like when you hit a WordPress site database why are you WordPress site database why are you WordPress site database why are you hitting a database it's the same blog

hitting a database it's the same blog hitting a database it's the same blog post that it was earlier today you know post that it was earlier today you know post that it was earlier today you know what I mean yeah that was that was a big what I mean yeah that was that was a big what I mean yeah that was that was a big part of the thinking with this is that part of the thinking with this is that part of the thinking with this is that yeah I mean WordPress it got a bad rap yeah I mean WordPress it got a bad rap yeah I mean WordPress it got a bad rap for a while it's actually pretty good for a while it's actually pretty good for a while it's actually pretty good now with Cas not disrespecting WordPress now with Cas not disrespecting WordPress now with Cas not disrespecting WordPress I'm simply saying from a architecture I'm simply saying from a architecture I'm simply saying from a architecture perspective absolutely from an perspective absolutely from an perspective absolutely from an architectural standpoint it's like why architectural standpoint it's like why architectural standpoint it's like why do we have to have that extra hit and so do we have to have that extra hit and so do we have to have that extra hit and so in micro do blog it's actually in micro do blog it's actually in micro do blog it's actually architected it with like things are architected it with like things are architected it with like things are split across multiple servers so like split across multiple servers so like split across multiple servers so like the mainat the mainat the mainat platform does a lot of things it does platform does a lot of things it does platform does a lot of things it does the API it does the interface it does the API it does the interface it does the API it does the interface it does everything but at the end of the day everything but at the end of the day everything but at the end of the day once it runs through the publishing once it runs through the publishing once it runs through the publishing platform it's it it it really just platform it's it it it really just platform it's it it it really just copies static HTML files that are served copies static HTML files that are served copies static HTML files that are served completely separate from the platform so completely separate from the platform so completely separate from the platform so for example if we have an outage or for example if we have an outage or for example if we have an outage or something your blog is probably going to something your blog is probably going to something your blog is probably going to stay online it's still gonna be super stay online it's still gonna be super stay online it's still gonna be super fast so there're there're kind of clever fast so there're there're kind of clever fast so there're there're kind of clever things we've done to link those systems things we've done to link those systems things we've done to link those systems together but it really is static files together but it really is static files together but it really is static files and I really like that yeah it is it is and I really like that yeah it is it is and I really like that yeah it is it is it is one thing to have an outage across it is one thing to have an outage across it is one thing to have an outage across like some thing running in kubernetes like some thing running in kubernetes like some thing running in kubernetes across multiple but it's like it's HTML across multiple but it's like it's HTML across multiple but it's like it's HTML files on a on a dis uh you know what I files on a on a dis uh you know what I files on a on a dis uh you know what I mean right engine X in front of it mean right engine X in front of it mean right engine X in front of it there's not a lot of things that can go there's not a lot of things that can go there's not a lot of things that can go wrong exct and I assume that back to the wrong exct and I assume that back to the wrong exct and I assume that back to the $1 at micro do1 that allows you to keep $1 at micro do1 that allows you to keep $1 at micro do1 that allows you to keep things easily priced like you wouldn't things easily priced like you wouldn't things easily priced like you wouldn't be able to do this if there were be able to do this if there were be able to do this if there were databases and big giants of things in databases and big giants of things in databases and big giants of things in the in the background yeah no absolutely the in the background yeah no absolutely the in the background yeah no absolutely keep keep it as simple as possible um keep keep it as simple as possible um keep keep it as simple as possible um there is complexity behind the scenes there is complexity behind the scenes there is complexity behind the scenes but like yeah that serving of static but like yeah that serving of static but like yeah that serving of static files is pretty simple and it hasn't

files is pretty simple and it hasn't files is pretty simple and it hasn't really changed since the beginning of really changed since the beginning of really changed since the beginning of the the web in some ways and uh also I the the web in some ways and uh also I the the web in some ways and uh also I think it will help us scale the only think it will help us scale the only think it will help us scale the only thing I worry about really with the thing I worry about really with the thing I worry about really with the pricing is like photo storage that sort pricing is like photo storage that sort pricing is like photo storage that sort of thing can get costly and so we for of thing can get costly and so we for of thing can get costly and so we for example we don't have a limit on how example we don't have a limit on how example we don't have a limit on how many photos you can post right so many photos you can post right so many photos you can post right so there's abuse potential there there there's abuse potential there there there's abuse potential there there could be like you know I think somewhere could be like you know I think somewhere could be like you know I think somewhere in our terms of service it's basically in our terms of service it's basically in our terms of service it's basically like as long as you don't use it as like like as long as you don't use it as like like as long as you don't use it as like your own like photo backup system like your own like photo backup system like your own like photo backup system like it as long as you're using it for its it as long as you're using it for its it as long as you're using it for its antenna purpos it's flicker it's not antenna purpos it's flicker it's not antenna purpos it's flicker it's not Google photos exactly exactly um so Google photos exactly exactly um so Google photos exactly exactly um so there's potential for abuse there is there's potential for abuse there is there's potential for abuse there is potential that maybe someone paying a potential that maybe someone paying a potential that maybe someone paying a dollar we're actually not making any dollar we're actually not making any dollar we're actually not making any money off of that but like I said it's a money off of that but like I said it's a money off of that but like I said it's a bit of an experiment and so far I I bit of an experiment and so far I I bit of an experiment and so far I I really love the reaction to it I really really love the reaction to it I really really love the reaction to it I really like the transparency of it as well like like the transparency of it as well like like the transparency of it as well like on my account page here there's a very on my account page here there's a very on my account page here there's a very spefic specific call out on do you want spefic specific call out on do you want spefic specific call out on do you want us to use AI or not and you explain in us to use AI or not and you explain in us to use AI or not and you explain in like simple language like we will use like simple language like we will use like simple language like we will use our own services our own servers our our own services our own servers our our own services our own servers our local models or open AI we will not local models or open AI we will not local models or open AI we will not train your data we will not use your train your data we will not use your train your data we will not use your data and you simply you don't want to data and you simply you don't want to data and you simply you don't want to use it you turn it off Y and it's just use it you turn it off Y and it's just use it you turn it off Y and it's just for like summarizing photos and doing for like summarizing photos and doing for like summarizing photos and doing podcast transcripts you know yeah and I podcast transcripts you know yeah and I podcast transcripts you know yeah and I I love the AI feature like it's so I I love the AI feature like it's so I I love the AI feature like it's so I love just being able to post a photo and love just being able to post a photo and love just being able to post a photo and it can like autogenerate keywords that I it can like autogenerate keywords that I it can like autogenerate keywords that I can search or like um it'll help me with can search or like um it'll help me with can search or like um it'll help me with like a accessibility text all text you like a accessibility text all text you like a accessibility text all text you know like it'll just it'll put something know like it'll just it'll put something know like it'll just it'll put something in there and then I can copy it and edit

in there and then I can copy it and edit in there and then I can copy it and edit it but some people just they are very it but some people just they are very it but some people just they are very worried about Ai and that's yeah they worried about Ai and that's yeah they worried about Ai and that's yeah they just want a way to just opt out just want a way to just opt out just want a way to just opt out completely and so we have that checkbox completely and so we have that checkbox completely and so we have that checkbox you opt out and no AI will touch your you opt out and no AI will touch your you opt out and no AI will touch your content at all and and having a global content at all and and having a global content at all and and having a global checkbox was actually really nice checkbox was actually really nice checkbox was actually really nice because I think it it enables us in the because I think it it enables us in the because I think it it enables us in the future to do more AI without worrying future to do more AI without worrying future to do more AI without worrying that every single time we launch AI that every single time we launch AI that every single time we launch AI feature people there's some people that feature people there's some people that feature people there's some people that are going to push back and say you know are going to push back and say you know are going to push back and say you know what about the energy use or the what about the energy use or the what about the energy use or the environmental costs or this and that and environmental costs or this and that and environmental costs or this and that and I I think the checkbox gives us an I I think the checkbox gives us an I I think the checkbox gives us an answer which is just like you know we answer which is just like you know we answer which is just like you know we hear your concerns you can just hear your concerns you can just hear your concerns you can just completely opt out right um but for completely opt out right um but for completely opt out right um but for people who want it it's really just a people who want it it's really just a people who want it it's really just a useful tool yeah and if and and if it useful tool yeah and if and and if it useful tool yeah and if and and if it were me I would probably say uh use were me I would probably say uh use were me I would probably say uh use local AI versus use uh open AI like local AI versus use uh open AI like local AI versus use uh open AI like maybe I maybe I don't mind it if mic maybe I maybe I don't mind it if mic maybe I maybe I don't mind it if mic blog does it locally with a open model blog does it locally with a open model blog does it locally with a open model on your own servers but I don't want it on your own servers but I don't want it on your own servers but I don't want it going out of the building that's fair going out of the building that's fair going out of the building that's fair yeah that's my opinion La last question yeah that's my opinion La last question yeah that's my opinion La last question so you sign up I'm here at microblog so you sign up I'm here at microblog so you sign up I'm here at microblog account what's the thing that I should account what's the thing that I should account what's the thing that I should do first because I went directly to edit do first because I went directly to edit do first because I went directly to edit sources and crossposting and I'm like ah sources and crossposting and I'm like ah sources and crossposting and I'm like ah I'm a completionist add medium add I'm a completionist add medium add I'm a completionist add medium add Mastadon add LinkedIn add flicker like Mastadon add LinkedIn add flicker like Mastadon add LinkedIn add flicker like what's the best way for me to get the what's the best way for me to get the what's the best way for me to get the most experience if I sign up for this most experience if I sign up for this most experience if I sign up for this and I don't know what I should do to and I don't know what I should do to and I don't know what I should do to like incorporate microblog into my like incorporate microblog into my like incorporate microblog into my lifestyle great question uh I I guess if

lifestyle great question uh I I guess if lifestyle great question uh I I guess if you're super plugged into other you're super plugged into other you're super plugged into other platforms that may be a good place to platforms that may be a good place to platforms that may be a good place to start is to enable the some of those start is to enable the some of those start is to enable the some of those Services may not all of them but yeah Services may not all of them but yeah Services may not all of them but yeah you enable a few so that your post will you enable a few so that your post will you enable a few so that your post will crossb out to those I think I would say crossb out to those I think I would say crossb out to those I think I would say also if you have uh existing content also if you have uh existing content also if you have uh existing content that you're not happy with where it is that you're not happy with where it is that you're not happy with where it is import it um so we support import from import it um so we support import from import it um so we support import from like WordPress and ghost and all sorts like WordPress and ghost and all sorts like WordPress and ghost and all sorts of random things um and I I like that of random things um and I I like that of random things um and I I like that that that gives people a way to move that that gives people a way to move that that gives people a way to move their content and of course those export their content and of course those export their content and of course those export it in different formats too they can get it in different formats too they can get it in different formats too they can get their content out if they want to move their content out if they want to move their content out if they want to move away but that Pro those two things are away but that Pro those two things are away but that Pro those two things are think are good places to start like think are good places to start like think are good places to start like figuring out what data you want to come figuring out what data you want to come figuring out what data you want to come in like is this a replacement for an in like is this a replacement for an in like is this a replacement for an existing blog or is this just like a new existing blog or is this just like a new existing blog or is this just like a new micro blog that maybe maybe you set up micro blog that maybe maybe you set up micro blog that maybe maybe you set up like a subdomain for um that it's like like a subdomain for um that it's like like a subdomain for um that it's like in in addition to some of the other in in addition to some of the other in in addition to some of the other things that you have on the web um the things that you have on the web um the things that you have on the web um the how would start with those two things how would start with those two things how would start with those two things domain name yeah like thinking about domain name yeah like thinking about domain name yeah like thinking about like do you want a domain name for this like do you want a domain name for this like do you want a domain name for this or do you want just to just kind of or do you want just to just kind of or do you want just to just kind of stick with the stick with the stick with the defaults it's a great question I'm not defaults it's a great question I'm not defaults it's a great question I'm not totally sure I feel like I'm asking for totally sure I feel like I'm asking for totally sure I feel like I'm asking for like onboarding from an expert you know like onboarding from an expert you know like onboarding from an expert you know like you could go and do a whole like you could go and do a whole like you could go and do a whole onboarding thing but I could see onboarding thing but I could see onboarding thing but I could see pointing non-technical parent to this pointing non-technical parent to this pointing non-technical parent to this and it's like what's the next thing you and it's like what's the next thing you and it's like what's the next thing you should do to get the most out of it like should do to get the most out of it like should do to get the most out of it like are you a just looking for a place to are you a just looking for a place to are you a just looking for a place to app or are you be a social wal Garden app or are you be a social wal Garden app or are you be a social wal Garden expert and you want to and you want to expert and you want to and you want to expert and you want to and you want to aggregate all of this stuff you know do

aggregate all of this stuff you know do aggregate all of this stuff you know do you want to do posi because this could you want to do posi because this could you want to do posi because this could be the place for you uh and then the be the place for you uh and then the be the place for you uh and then the last thing I want to call out which is a last thing I want to call out which is a last thing I want to call out which is a compliment but also specific to my compliment but also specific to my compliment but also specific to my audience is that you can export this to audience is that you can export this to audience is that you can export this to GitHub you always have control of your GitHub you always have control of your GitHub you always have control of your you could connect this to GitHub and you could connect this to GitHub and you could connect this to GitHub and Export an archive of your stuff and I Export an archive of your stuff and I Export an archive of your stuff and I just want to give you kudos for that just want to give you kudos for that just want to give you kudos for that because you never I'm I'm as I explore because you never I'm I'm as I explore because you never I'm I'm as I explore micro do blog I've never felt like I'm micro do blog I've never felt like I'm micro do blog I've never felt like I'm capped or stuck here which I think is capped or stuck here which I think is capped or stuck here which I think is also a really cool design Style thank also a really cool design Style thank also a really cool design Style thank you I I appreciate that yeah that's a you I I appreciate that yeah that's a you I I appreciate that yeah that's a big part I mean we'd be Hypocrites if we big part I mean we'd be Hypocrites if we big part I mean we'd be Hypocrites if we said you know we believed in the open said you know we believed in the open said you know we believed in the open web and moving content around but like web and moving content around but like web and moving content around but like we good luck getting your content out so we good luck getting your content out so we good luck getting your content out so um I I like that too there's a couple um I I like that too there's a couple um I I like that too there's a couple things related to that that we've done things related to that that we've done things related to that that we've done that I like like one there's a checkbox that I like like one there's a checkbox that I like like one there's a checkbox for every time you post your blog we for every time you post your blog we for every time you post your blog we ping the internet archive to make a copy ping the internet archive to make a copy ping the internet archive to make a copy of the blog post I like that as a way to of the blog post I like that as a way to of the blog post I like that as a way to have it like automatic sort of poor have it like automatic sort of poor have it like automatic sort of poor man's backup way and then also that man's backup way and then also that man's backup way and then also that GitHub mirroring we've tweaked it a few GitHub mirroring we've tweaked it a few GitHub mirroring we've tweaked it a few times and I think it'll still evolve times and I think it'll still evolve times and I think it'll still evolve right now it's right now it's right now it's like about once a week it basically like about once a week it basically like about once a week it basically takes all your posts and photos and takes all your posts and photos and takes all your posts and photos and copies them to a GitHub repository and copies them to a GitHub repository and copies them to a GitHub repository and there's I know there's overhead in that there's I know there's overhead in that there's I know there's overhead in that so I think we'll continue to tweak that so I think we'll continue to tweak that so I think we'll continue to tweak that but we also have like normal export and but we also have like normal export and but we also have like normal export and also export that includes photos like also export that includes photos like also export that includes photos like that's one thing that has bugged me that's one thing that has bugged me that's one thing that has bugged me about some bloging platforms is like about some bloging platforms is like about some bloging platforms is like here's all your text but like how do you here's all your text but like how do you here's all your text but like how do you get those photos out like those are get those photos out like those are get those photos out like those are actually a big part of of everything so actually a big part of of everything so actually a big part of of everything so yeah there's more to do but you got to

yeah there's more to do but you got to yeah there's more to do but you got to be able to get your content out be able to get your content out be able to get your content out otherwise people won't believe that it's otherwise people won't believe that it's otherwise people won't believe that it's a safe place for their stuff yeah well I a safe place for their stuff yeah well I a safe place for their stuff yeah well I want to give a plug to a blog post I want to give a plug to a blog post I want to give a plug to a blog post I wrote in a way of giving a plug to your wrote in a way of giving a plug to your wrote in a way of giving a plug to your stuff uh in 2012 I wrote a blog post stuff uh in 2012 I wrote a blog post stuff uh in 2012 I wrote a blog post called your words are wasted and I called your words are wasted and I called your words are wasted and I talked about how we're throwing our talked about how we're throwing our talked about how we're throwing our keystrokes into bald Gardens uh and this keystrokes into bald Gardens uh and this keystrokes into bald Gardens uh and this is 13 14 years ago it was true then it is 13 14 years ago it was true then it is 13 14 years ago it was true then it was true in the year 2000 when I started was true in the year 2000 when I started was true in the year 2000 when I started the blog uh your blog is the engine of the blog uh your blog is the engine of the blog uh your blog is the engine of community and that's where it needs to community and that's where it needs to community and that's where it needs to start so if you're listening and you're start so if you're listening and you're start so if you're listening and you're thinking you know I need to make a Blog thinking you know I need to make a Blog thinking you know I need to make a Blog but I don't know where to start there's but I don't know where to start there's but I don't know where to start there's 40 different ways to do it micro do1 40 different ways to do it micro do1 40 different ways to do it micro do1 this is not a sponsored ad it is an this is not a sponsored ad it is an this is not a sponsored ad it is an absolutely delightful completely absolutely delightful completely absolutely delightful completely affordable place for you to have affordable place for you to have affordable place for you to have blogging with your own domain name and blogging with your own domain name and blogging with your own domain name and then post it and connect it to the then post it and connect it to the then post it and connect it to the larger larger larger internet uh so I I love that you're internet uh so I I love that you're internet uh so I I love that you're making the web weird again uh and it was making the web weird again uh and it was making the web weird again uh and it was great to have you chat with me today great to have you chat with me today great to have you chat with me today thank you so much for the shout out I thank you so much for the shout out I thank you so much for the shout out I really appreciate talking through this really appreciate talking through this really appreciate talking through this and uh yeah it's it's an exciting time and uh yeah it's it's an exciting time and uh yeah it's it's an exciting time for the web right now I think there a I for the web right now I think there a I for the web right now I think there a I hope people uh are really thinking about hope people uh are really thinking about hope people uh are really thinking about where they should put their stuff where they should put their stuff where they should put their stuff whether it's on micro blog or somewhere whether it's on micro blog or somewhere whether it's on micro blog or somewhere else like there's so many options now else like there's so many options now else like there's so many options now it's put it somewhere post the draft if it's put it somewhere post the draft if it's put it somewhere post the draft if you have a draft post that draft yep you have a draft post that draft yep you have a draft post that draft yep yeah and don't ever think of like it's yeah and don't ever think of like it's yeah and don't ever think of like it's okay to just throw something out on the okay to just throw something out on the okay to just throw something out on the web and kind of see what sticks and see web and kind of see what sticks and see web and kind of see what sticks and see where you want to go like I I go back to where you want to go like I I go back to where you want to go like I I go back to my first my first blog post you know 20 my first my first blog post you know 20 my first my first blog post you know 20 plus years ago my first blog post was plus years ago my first blog post was plus years ago my first blog post was something like you know there are

something like you know there are something like you know there are already too many blogs but I guess I'll already too many blogs but I guess I'll already too many blogs but I guess I'll create you know one now and of course I create you know one now and of course I create you know one now and of course I was like so long ago there way way way was like so long ago there way way way was like so long ago there way way way more blogs now and uh I think some more blogs now and uh I think some more blogs now and uh I think some people think like ah what what do I have people think like ah what what do I have people think like ah what what do I have to say what do what like what do I have to say what do what like what do I have to say what do what like what do I have to share that is interesting but to share that is interesting but to share that is interesting but everybody has a story everybody has everybody has a story everybody has everybody has a story everybody has something very cool well thanks so much something very cool well thanks so much something very cool well thanks so much for chatting with me thanks so much this for chatting with me thanks so much this for chatting with me thanks so much this has been another episode of Hansel has been another episode of Hansel has been another episode of Hansel minutes and we'll see you again next minutes and we'll see you again next minutes and we'll see you again next week