Scott & Mark Learn To...Rethink Authorship

This is what's called cooperative This is what's called cooperative multitasking people. This is where his multitasking people. This is where his multitasking people. This is where his hands are doing an interrupt storm into hands are doing an interrupt storm into hands are doing an interrupt storm into his brain and he is unable to [laughter] >> uh this is called jitter. >> uh this is called jitter. >> I have to figure out how to share the >> I have to figure out how to share the >> I have to figure out how to share the screen. All right. Where's the share? screen. All right. Where's the share? screen. All right. Where's the share? [laughter] This like helping my dad with [laughter] This like helping my dad with [laughter] This like helping my dad with Zoom. Zoom. Zoom. You know what? so GitHub, you use you use VS Code so GitHub, you use you use VS Code still, right? Um, >> are you are you a CLI person? >> are you are you a CLI person? >> Well, I I don't think it matters. So, >> Well, I I don't think it matters. So, >> Well, I I don't think it matters. So, >> no, it doesn't. It's all the same loop.

>> no, it doesn't. It's all the same loop. >> no, it doesn't. It's all the same loop. Doesn't matter anymore. Doesn't matter anymore. Doesn't matter anymore. >> So, actually, um, I'm doing two AI >> So, actually, um, I'm doing two AI >> So, actually, um, I'm doing two AI research projects that are both AI research projects that are both AI research projects that are both AI safety related. safety related. safety related. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Where the guard rails on the mainstream >> Where the guard rails on the mainstream >> Where the guard rails on the mainstream models are too strict. And so I'd be I'd models are too strict. And so I'd be I'd models are too strict. And so I'd be I'd get blocked trying to do these things, get blocked trying to do these things, get blocked trying to do these things, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> So I've got access through my um >> So I've got access through my um >> So I've got access through my um affiliation with the AI red team to affiliation with the AI red team to affiliation with the AI red team to claim mythos 5. claim mythos 5. claim mythos 5. >> Cool. >> Cool. >> Cool. >> Which runs in cloud code which is a CLI. >> Which runs in cloud code which is a CLI. >> Which runs in cloud code which is a CLI. So I've been using it So I've been using it So I've been using it >> CLI just because of that >> CLI just because of that >> CLI just because of that >> and I find actually it doesn't really >> and I find actually it doesn't really >> and I find actually it doesn't really matter. matter. matter. >> It's just a visual thing. But you were >> It's just a visual thing. But you were >> It's just a visual thing. But you were very anti-CLI a couple weeks ago, couple very anti-CLI a couple weeks ago, couple very anti-CLI a couple weeks ago, couple months ago. I'm just anti CLI because I months ago. I'm just anti CLI because I months ago. I'm just anti CLI because I don't if you have a non CLI interface. don't if you have a non CLI interface. don't if you have a non CLI interface. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's just better. >> It's just better. >> It's just better. >> If it's a well-designed UI. Yeah, for >> If it's a well-designed UI. Yeah, for >> If it's a well-designed UI. Yeah, for sure. sure. sure. >> Yeah. I mean, there's it's just by >> Yeah. I mean, there's it's just by >> Yeah. I mean, there's it's just by definition, definition, definition, you can do things you can do things you can do things in a guey that you can't do in a CLI.

in a guey that you can't do in a CLI. in a guey that you can't do in a CLI. Just by definition. Just by definition. Just by definition. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And there's nothing you can't do in a >> And there's nothing you can't do in a >> And there's nothing you can't do in a guey guey guey that you can do in a CLI. So it's a that you can do in a CLI. So it's a that you can do in a CLI. So it's a complete superset. So I just don't complete superset. So I just don't complete superset. So I just don't understand the dogmatic approach, you understand the dogmatic approach, you understand the dogmatic approach, you know, principle of I only like CLIs and know, principle of I only like CLIs and know, principle of I only like CLIs and two two two when when when that's just a just restricts your that's just a just restricts your that's just a just restricts your capability capability capability just doesn't make any sense to me. just doesn't make any sense to me. just doesn't make any sense to me. >> Yeah, I think that if um I think that >> Yeah, I think that if um I think that >> Yeah, I think that if um I think that it's the speed of which things are it's the speed of which things are it's the speed of which things are working, people like a 2y because it can working, people like a 2y because it can working, people like a 2y because it can move faster, right? You don't have to move faster, right? You don't have to move faster, right? You don't have to think about it. this it's a limited think about it. this it's a limited think about it. this it's a limited constrained UI so there's less constrained UI so there's less constrained UI so there's less creativity I think creativity I think creativity I think >> but by the way um >> but by the way um >> but by the way um >> on one of the safety project I had the >> on one of the safety project I had the >> on one of the safety project I had the idea last week last weekend basically idea last week last weekend basically idea last week last weekend basically >> I've already got it >> I've already got it >> I've already got it fully working proven ablations fully working proven ablations fully working proven ablations mult iterations mult iterations mult iterations >> with cloud myths 5 >> with cloud myths 5 >> with cloud myths 5 >> mhm >> mhm >> mhm >> it is having a research assistant that's >> it is having a research assistant that's >> it is having a research assistant that's really really smart.

really really smart. really really smart. >> Okay. So now you've been because you >> Okay. So now you've been because you >> Okay. So now you've been because you always text me that like this stupid always text me that like this stupid always text me that like this stupid thing and Mythos seems like an actual thing and Mythos seems like an actual thing and Mythos seems like an actual research assistant like an actual research assistant like an actual research assistant like an actual >> being like a research assistant. >> being like a research assistant. >> being like a research assistant. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um there's been a couple things. I mean >> Um there's been a couple things. I mean >> Um there's been a couple things. I mean I'm still guiding it very much and it I'm still guiding it very much and it I'm still guiding it very much and it still instinct is wrong in some places still instinct is wrong in some places still instinct is wrong in some places like it's like well this is a like it's like well this is a like it's like well this is a questionable result you know we should questionable result you know we should questionable result you know we should go invest. I'm like no that's not it's go invest. I'm like no that's not it's go invest. I'm like no that's not it's questionable. It's not relevant. questionable. It's not relevant. questionable. It's not relevant. >> Mhm. So I'm still applying human >> Mhm. So I'm still applying human >> Mhm. So I'm still applying human judgment, but the amount of work it's judgment, but the amount of work it's judgment, but the amount of work it's doing autonomously and the proposals doing autonomously and the proposals doing autonomously and the proposals it's come up comes up with are all like it's come up comes up with are all like it's come up comes up with are all like that's great. It even named the like that's great. It even named the like that's great. It even named the like come up with some names and it came up come up with some names and it came up come up with some names and it came up with a great name for it which I don't with a great name for it which I don't with a great name for it which I don't know if I would have thought of. know if I would have thought of. know if I would have thought of. >> Yeah. >> Interesting. >> Interesting. >> Oh, and this is the other thing that >> Oh, and this is the other thing that >> Oh, and this is the other thing that that um was a kind of a delightful that um was a kind of a delightful that um was a kind of a delightful thing. thing. thing. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. it. Um I'm like, I need you to do this it. Um I'm like, I need you to do this it. Um I'm like, I need you to do this technique to change the model in a technique to change the model in a technique to change the model in a certain way. And it's like, well, let me certain way. And it's like, well, let me certain way. And it's like, well, let me look around the system and see if look around the system and see if look around the system and see if there's already something that does there's already something that does there's already something that does that. Oh, yeah. Here it is. There's that. Oh, yeah. Here it is. There's that. Oh, yeah. Here it is. There's already you've already got another already you've already got another already you've already got another project that does exactly what we're project that does exactly what we're project that does exactly what we're looking for. I'll just go and look at looking for. I'll just go and look at looking for. I'll just go and look at that and oh, yep. It looks like it's that and oh, yep. It looks like it's that and oh, yep. It looks like it's reliable enough. The results look good.

reliable enough. The results look good. reliable enough. The results look good. So, let me just go and scaffold that up So, let me just go and scaffold that up So, let me just go and scaffold that up and get it going. Like, and get it going. Like, and get it going. Like, >> so it's proactive. >> so it's proactive. >> so it's proactive. >> It is proactive. >> It is proactive. >> It is proactive. Exactly. Do you do you do you agree with Exactly. Do you do you do you agree with Exactly. Do you do you do you agree with the idea that this is the one to be the idea that this is the one to be the idea that this is the one to be scared of and this is the one to be scared of and this is the one to be scared of and this is the one to be concerned about because it's still word concerned about because it's still word concerned about because it's still word guessing but now it's magical word guessing but now it's magical word guessing but now it's magical word guessing. guessing. guessing. >> Yeah. So this you know it's just a >> Yeah. So this you know it's just a >> Yeah. So this you know it's just a stochastic parent kind of thing. I think stochastic parent kind of thing. I think stochastic parent kind of thing. I think they're more than that. I've they're more than that. I've they're more than that. I've >> you know the math >> you know the math >> you know the math >> because well because the in these neural >> because well because the in these neural >> because well because the in these neural networks they're like I don't know if networks they're like I don't know if networks they're like I don't know if you saw the anthropic paper a couple you saw the anthropic paper a couple you saw the anthropic paper a couple weeks ago about the J space the Jacobian weeks ago about the J space the Jacobian weeks ago about the J space the Jacobian space they've identified space they've identified space they've identified >> which is like the >> which is like the >> which is like the >> Oh yeah yeah yeah >> Oh yeah yeah yeah >> Oh yeah yeah yeah >> the conscious chain of the the chain >> the conscious chain of the the chain >> the conscious chain of the the chain that you know the inner thinking that you know the inner thinking that you know the inner thinking >> yeah chain of consciousness chain of >> yeah chain of consciousness chain of >> yeah chain of consciousness chain of yeah yeah yeah >> that humans have like why you're >> that humans have like why you're >> that humans have like why you're >> well that makes me wonder are we just >> well that makes me wonder are we just >> well that makes me wonder are we just LLMs then LLMs then LLMs then >> well we're infinitely more complicated. >> well we're infinitely more complicated. >> well we're infinitely more complicated. I think if you take a look at the number I think if you take a look at the number I think if you take a look at the number of neural connections between our of neural connections between our of neural connections between our neurons, they are orders of magnitude neurons, they are orders of magnitude neurons, they are orders of magnitude more than what these LLM have, more than what these LLM have, more than what these LLM have, >> right? But that just is a matter of >> right? But that just is a matter of >> right? But that just is a matter of scale.

scale. scale. >> I mean, if you take a look at the number >> I mean, if you take a look at the number >> I mean, if you take a look at the number of neurons, we're on par, but if you of neurons, we're on par, but if you of neurons, we're on par, but if you take a look at the connections between take a look at the connections between take a look at the connections between them, like it's just them, like it's just them, like it's just >> many orders of magnitude more. >> many orders of magnitude more. >> many orders of magnitude more. >> Is is the word guessing machine >> Is is the word guessing machine >> Is is the word guessing machine structure? Is it is it is it an example structure? Is it is it is it an example structure? Is it is it is it an example of getting to the similar end with a of getting to the similar end with a of getting to the similar end with a different build? Like we are the process different build? Like we are the process different build? Like we are the process of evolution and this is a different of evolution and this is a different of evolution and this is a different kind of evolution. This is kind of evolution. This is kind of evolution. This is >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So when we get to like commander data >> So when we get to like commander data >> So when we get to like commander data >> and we build commander data based on an >> and we build commander data based on an >> and we build commander data based on an LLM and give him a body starts walking LLM and give him a body starts walking LLM and give him a body starts walking around and we start having like Star around and we start having like Star around and we start having like Star Trek the next generation courts where we Trek the next generation courts where we Trek the next generation courts where we decide whether or not data is human or decide whether or not data is human or decide whether or not data is human or not even though he's a word guesser from not even though he's a word guesser from not even though he's a word guesser from 400 years ago. Do we do we go well just 400 years ago. Do we do we go well just 400 years ago. Do we do we go well just because he has a posetronic brain and we because he has a posetronic brain and we because he has a posetronic brain and we [snorts] have real brains does it really [snorts] have real brains does it really [snorts] have real brains does it really matter the end just matter the end just matter the end just >> I don't know I won't touch that one >> I don't know I won't touch that one >> I don't know I won't touch that one >> this is the whole consciousness debate >> this is the whole consciousness debate >> this is the whole consciousness debate with nobody can define what is with nobody can define what is with nobody can define what is consciousness and so if you can't define consciousness and so if you can't define consciousness and so if you can't define it you it you it you >> yeah it's all vibes at this point >> yeah it's all vibes at this point >> yeah it's all vibes at this point >> but but this project kind of strikes me >> but but this project kind of strikes me >> but but this project kind of strikes me as interesting um because I really think as interesting um because I really think as interesting um because I really think I could take this thing from idea to I could take this thing from idea to I could take this thing from idea to tier one conference submission tier one conference submission tier one conference submission in a few weeks of in a few weeks of in a few weeks of >> and it would ordinarily take a few >> and it would ordinarily take a few >> and it would ordinarily take a few months months months >> a fraction of the the actual >> a fraction of the the actual >> a fraction of the the actual um hours invested too.

um hours invested too. um hours invested too. >> Okay. And you can do this at quality. >> Okay. And you can do this at quality. >> Okay. And you can do this at quality. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's really it's you know >> Yeah. Yeah. It's really it's you know >> Yeah. Yeah. It's really it's you know it's drafted a paper. I've read the it's drafted a paper. I've read the it's drafted a paper. I've read the paper. It looks good. I'm going to make paper. It looks good. I'm going to make paper. It looks good. I'm going to make tweaks. See, I want to see if I I need a tweaks. See, I want to see if I I need a tweaks. See, I want to see if I I need a model that can go through the AI slop model that can go through the AI slop model that can go through the AI slop that I have generated and fix it up that I have generated and fix it up that I have generated and fix it up >> cuz I told you my slop issues. I've got >> cuz I told you my slop issues. I've got >> cuz I told you my slop issues. I've got a god object that I'm going to have to a god object that I'm going to have to a god object that I'm going to have to tear apart. tear apart. tear apart. >> I bet you can. >> I bet you can. >> I bet you can. >> It's >> It's >> It's >> like I don't know why you wouldn't be >> like I don't know why you wouldn't be >> like I don't know why you wouldn't be able to. But here's my where I'm getting able to. But here's my where I'm getting able to. But here's my where I'm getting to is like I've been to is like I've been to is like I've been >> I guess this is no different than having >> I guess this is no different than having >> I guess this is no different than having a grad student and being a professor and a grad student and being a professor and a grad student and being a professor and having you know guiding them through the having you know guiding them through the having you know guiding them through the whole thing. Mhm. whole thing. Mhm. whole thing. Mhm. >> But there is a really interesting like >> But there is a really interesting like >> But there is a really interesting like credit. credit. credit. >> Who gets credit? >> Who gets credit? >> Who gets credit? >> Well, I'm like how much of this is me >> Well, I'm like how much of this is me >> Well, I'm like how much of this is me versus AI? versus AI? versus AI? >> Well, that's where you have to be meta >> Well, that's where you have to be meta >> Well, that's where you have to be meta cognitive and ask yourself, cognitive and ask yourself, cognitive and ask yourself, did you take credit for this thing's did you take credit for this thing's did you take credit for this thing's work? work? work? >> But shouldn't I? But shouldn't I? Like >> But shouldn't I? But shouldn't I? Like >> But shouldn't I? But shouldn't I? Like so if you use the analogy of the um so if you use the analogy of the um so if you use the analogy of the um of the of the graduate assistant of the of the graduate assistant of the of the graduate assistant there's there's there's people take there's there's there's people take there's there's there's people take credit for their graduate assistants credit for their graduate assistants credit for their graduate assistants works works works >> like that's a joke in academia. The >> like that's a joke in academia. The >> like that's a joke in academia. The question is are you that kind of question is are you that kind of question is are you that kind of professor or are you the one that professor or are you the one that professor or are you the one that credits the credits the credits the >> graduate student that says no this is >> graduate student that says no this is >> graduate student that says no this is Will hunting he's a genius. Okay. But if Will hunting he's a genius. Okay. But if Will hunting he's a genius. Okay. But if this was a person, I would they would this was a person, I would they would this was a person, I would they would definitely get credit. In fact,

definitely get credit. In fact, definitely get credit. In fact, >> so they'd be the second they'd be the >> so they'd be the second they'd be the >> so they'd be the second they'd be the second banana though on the on the line. second banana though on the on the line. second banana though on the on the line. >> They might be first given. >> They might be first given. >> They might be first given. And then And then And then >> like if a human had done this like and >> like if a human had done this like and >> like if a human had done this like and I'm like here's the idea. Here's and I'm I'm like here's the idea. Here's and I'm I'm like here's the idea. Here's and I'm tweaking their name might go first on tweaking their name might go first on tweaking their name might go first on the paper because the amount of work the paper because the amount of work the paper because the amount of work that this represents. that this represents. that this represents. >> Right. So now you're in the sidec car. >> Right. So now you're in the sidec car. >> Right. So now you're in the sidec car. >> Yeah. Well, it's I mean the thing is the >> Yeah. Well, it's I mean the thing is the >> Yeah. Well, it's I mean the thing is the way academia is like you know the way academia is like you know the way academia is like you know the ordering of authors is not there's no ordering of authors is not there's no ordering of authors is not there's no pred there's there's multiple ways that pred there's there's multiple ways that pred there's there's multiple ways that people people people >> order the authors including things like >> order the authors including things like >> order the authors including things like it's just alphabetic by last name or it's just alphabetic by last name or it's just alphabetic by last name or alphabetic by first name or alphabetic by first name or alphabetic by first name or >> it's the the PhD adviser comes last >> it's the the PhD adviser comes last >> it's the the PhD adviser comes last always always always >> um or the person with the bit the and >> um or the person with the bit the and >> um or the person with the bit the and you'll see the person that has the the you'll see the person that has the the you'll see the person that has the the key idea they go first key idea they go first key idea they go first >> in some cases Just like the person that >> in some cases Just like the person that >> in some cases Just like the person that it did the most hands-on work goes first it did the most hands-on work goes first it did the most hands-on work goes first and the idea person goes last, and the idea person goes last, and the idea person goes last, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> But so it's you can't really tell. Um >> But so it's you can't really tell. Um >> But so it's you can't really tell. Um >> Well, okay. But this one did all the >> Well, okay. But this one did all the >> Well, okay. But this one did all the thinking and the typing and you did the thinking and the typing and you did the thinking and the typing and you did the steering.

steering. steering. >> Well, I did a bunch. You know, the thing >> Well, I did a bunch. You know, the thing >> Well, I did a bunch. You know, the thing is I'm applying human judgment to the is I'm applying human judgment to the is I'm applying human judgment to the whole thing. My judgment, whole thing. My judgment, whole thing. My judgment, >> right? You're the BS detector. >> right? You're the BS detector. >> right? You're the BS detector. >> Yeah. And I'm the that does that's not >> Yeah. And I'm the that does that's not >> Yeah. And I'm the that does that's not relevant. This is relevant. This is relevant. This is relevant. This is relevant. This is relevant. This is worth exploring. Let's go do this. I'm worth exploring. Let's go do this. I'm worth exploring. Let's go do this. I'm doing that the whole time. doing that the whole time. doing that the whole time. um like go here are the steps we're um like go here are the steps we're um like go here are the steps we're going to take. But a lot of the a lot of going to take. But a lot of the a lot of going to take. But a lot of the a lot of it is it's surfaced a bunch of ideas. it is it's surfaced a bunch of ideas. it is it's surfaced a bunch of ideas. >> It's also surfaced problems. It's also >> It's also surfaced problems. It's also >> It's also surfaced problems. It's also made suggestions on how to fix things made suggestions on how to fix things made suggestions on how to fix things and then it's done all of the grunt work and then it's done all of the grunt work and then it's done all of the grunt work of getting the builds going, running the of getting the builds going, running the of getting the builds going, running the evaluations, collating it. evaluations, collating it. evaluations, collating it. >> That's very that sounds very research >> That's very that sounds very research >> That's very that sounds very research assistanty. assistanty. assistanty. >> It is completely. And I think just with >> It is completely. And I think just with >> It is completely. And I think just with this I could this I could this I could But it's just it's an odd thing because But it's just it's an odd thing because But it's just it's an odd thing because in the way that we're in the way that we're in the way that we're assigning credit now there's no assigning credit now there's no assigning credit now there's no norm for saying it's me and this agent norm for saying it's me and this agent norm for saying it's me and this agent or me and AI. It's just, or me and AI. It's just, or me and AI. It's just, >> you know, >> you know, >> you know, >> well, so we're not we we don't want to >> well, so we're not we we don't want to >> well, so we're not we we don't want to anthropomorphize, but here we are anthropomorphize, but here we are anthropomorphize, but here we are talking about a research assistant and talking about a research assistant and talking about a research assistant and and a research intern and you are and a research intern and you are and a research intern and you are treating it as such. It's a faceless, treating it as such. It's a faceless, treating it as such. It's a faceless, nameless thing that you email and you nameless thing that you email and you nameless thing that you email and you chat with chat with chat with >> just as if you would. So there there's >> just as if you would. So there there's >> just as if you would. So there there's the do you give it a name? Do you the do you give it a name? Do you the do you give it a name? Do you anthropomorphize it? But what if you anthropomorphize it? But what if you anthropomorphize it? But what if you just has anyone done this already? Has

just has anyone done this already? Has just has anyone done this already? Has anyone um credited it as if it were a anyone um credited it as if it were a anyone um credited it as if it were a research intern? You could be the first. research intern? You could be the first. research intern? You could be the first. >> No, I think there have been some papers >> No, I think there have been some papers >> No, I think there have been some papers published where people put claude on the published where people put claude on the published where people put claude on the by line, but by line, but by line, but >> yeah, >> yeah, >> yeah, >> but see everyone's feeling salty about >> but see everyone's feeling salty about >> but see everyone's feeling salty about that. Yeah, that. Yeah, that. Yeah, >> like co-pilot for a while had a bug >> like co-pilot for a while had a bug >> like co-pilot for a while had a bug where it was saying co-authored by uh where it was saying co-authored by uh where it was saying co-authored by uh and it was and it was and it was >> actually Claude has that built in like >> actually Claude has that built in like >> actually Claude has that built in like I'm I'm talking about on research papers I'm I'm talking about on research papers I'm I'm talking about on research papers but yeah for commits it'll say authored but yeah for commits it'll say authored but yeah for commits it'll say authored by Mark and Claude by Mark and Claude by Mark and Claude >> right so people like no man screw that >> right so people like no man screw that >> right so people like no man screw that right so people have very strong right so people have very strong right so people have very strong opinions about whether or not like opinions about whether or not like opinions about whether or not like you're taking credit from me you're taking credit from me you're taking credit from me >> well it's the thing is >> well it's the thing is >> well it's the thing is if when I publish this nobody will know if when I publish this nobody will know if when I publish this nobody will know how much I did it versus AI did it how much I did it versus AI did it how much I did it versus AI did it >> that's the thing and the only thing only >> that's the thing and the only thing only >> that's the thing and the only thing only is it's It's it's it's not is it's It's it's it's not is it's It's it's it's not >> even by the way even if I credit it >> even by the way even if I credit it >> even by the way even if I credit it nobody knows how much nobody knows how much nobody knows how much >> the by line the by line doesn't tell you >> the by line the by line doesn't tell you >> the by line the by line doesn't tell you doesn't have a little percentage with a doesn't have a little percentage with a doesn't have a little percentage with a little number by each little number by each little number by each >> even for humans it doesn't do that >> even for humans it doesn't do that >> even for humans it doesn't do that >> exactly and for humans I'm like oh I I >> exactly and for humans I'm like oh I I >> exactly and for humans I'm like oh I I see that Mark's on that but there's 20 see that Mark's on that but there's 20 see that Mark's on that but there's 20 other people who did all the work other people who did all the work other people who did all the work >> nobody knows >> nobody knows >> nobody knows >> yeah Mark could have done all the work >> yeah Mark could have done all the work >> yeah Mark could have done all the work or Mark could have just been like the or Mark could have just been like the or Mark could have just been like the this is a great idea let's go let's do this is a great idea let's go let's do this is a great idea let's go let's do it like [laughter] it like [laughter] it like [laughter] >> yeah exactly >> yeah exactly >> yeah exactly >> and then people are like oh that his >> and then people are like oh that his >> and then people are like oh that his encouragement was enough to put him on encouragement was enough to put him on encouragement was enough to put him on the by I have a couple patent I have a patent I have a couple patent I have a patent like that like like that like like that like >> I don't really know if I needed to be on >> I don't really know if I needed to be on >> I don't really know if I needed to be on that patent.

that patent. that patent. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? >> You know what I mean? >> You know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I was the guy was like this one is just >> I was the guy was like this one is just >> I was the guy was like this one is just this this is the first one where it's this this is the first one where it's this this is the first one where it's you even like Zoom it for Mac which is you even like Zoom it for Mac which is you even like Zoom it for Mac which is out now by the way. out now by the way. out now by the way. >> Oh yeah. It's in the store. >> Oh yeah. It's in the store. >> Oh yeah. It's in the store. >> It's in Homebrew. It's it's going >> It's in Homebrew. It's it's going >> It's in Homebrew. It's it's going through the store process. through the store process. through the store process. >> That's awesome. >> That's awesome. >> That's awesome. >> But you can go install it from homerew >> But you can go install it from homerew >> But you can go install it from homerew and the code is all open so you can go and the code is all open so you can go and the code is all open so you can go build it yourself if you want. build it yourself if you want. build it yourself if you want. But um yeah, I did the whole, you know, But um yeah, I did the whole, you know, But um yeah, I did the whole, you know, I just like pointed at my other Zoom it I just like pointed at my other Zoom it I just like pointed at my other Zoom it and then tweaked it and tuned it, and then tweaked it and tuned it, and then tweaked it and tuned it, >> right? But we've talked about this that >> right? But we've talked about this that >> right? But we've talked about this that that is that is that is there are toy projects that you can do there are toy projects that you can do there are toy projects that you can do like my treadmill project that are toys like my treadmill project that are toys like my treadmill project that are toys >> and we have already proven that >> and we have already proven that >> and we have already proven that >> you call it a toy. >> you call it a toy. >> you call it a toy. >> It's it's an essential part of my >> It's it's an essential part of my >> It's it's an essential part of my lifestyle [snorts] lifestyle [snorts] lifestyle [snorts] but it's not you know it's not an but it's not you know it's not an but it's not you know it's not an operating system. It's not open claws operating system. It's not open claws operating system. It's not open claws like you know it is like you know it is like you know it is >> uh of a size. >> uh of a size. >> uh of a size. So then the but the size of the toys we So then the but the size of the toys we So then the but the size of the toys we can make is getting more complicated and can make is getting more complicated and can make is getting more complicated and like you feel confident shipping Zoom it like you feel confident shipping Zoom it like you feel confident shipping Zoom it for Mac without reading every line of for Mac without reading every line of for Mac without reading every line of code.

code. code. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. Well the stakes are low too for Zumit Well the stakes are low too for Zumit Well the stakes are low too for Zumit for Mac. for Mac. for Mac. >> Well said. Right. That's [snorts] well >> Well said. Right. That's [snorts] well >> Well said. Right. That's [snorts] well like I'm working on the Open Cloud for like I'm working on the Open Cloud for like I'm working on the Open Cloud for Windows stuff and the stakes are higher. Windows stuff and the stakes are higher. Windows stuff and the stakes are higher. >> Yeah. And the things that I'm getting >> Yeah. And the things that I'm getting >> Yeah. And the things that I'm getting frustrated with, and I mentioned this to frustrated with, and I mentioned this to frustrated with, and I mentioned this to you before we were recording, there's you before we were recording, there's you before we were recording, there's like little weird things like scrolling like little weird things like scrolling like little weird things like scrolling wheel widgets and stuff and like little wheel widgets and stuff and like little wheel widgets and stuff and like little like jitter and stuff and it's stuff it like jitter and stuff and it's stuff it like jitter and stuff and it's stuff it can't see. So then I'm having to figure can't see. So then I'm having to figure can't see. So then I'm having to figure out how to make it see the thing. out how to make it see the thing. out how to make it see the thing. >> Like there's a really irritating jitter >> Like there's a really irritating jitter >> Like there's a really irritating jitter bug that I've got right now. bug that I've got right now. bug that I've got right now. >> Yeah, you showed it to me >> Yeah, you showed it to me >> Yeah, you showed it to me >> and I just can't figure it out. >> and I just can't figure it out. >> and I just can't figure it out. >> Did I tell you to have it monitor pixel >> Did I tell you to have it monitor pixel >> Did I tell you to have it monitor pixel positions? positions? positions? >> Yeah. So, what I did is I'm I'm using >> Yeah. So, what I did is I'm I'm using >> Yeah. So, what I did is I'm I'm using debug view MCP, the debug view MCP CLI. debug view MCP, the debug view MCP CLI. debug view MCP, the debug view MCP CLI. I instrumented the hell out of it. And I instrumented the hell out of it. And I instrumented the hell out of it. And >> wait, wait, wait. Uh, I gave you the CLI >> wait, wait, wait. Uh, I gave you the CLI >> wait, wait, wait. Uh, I gave you the CLI version. version. version. >> Uhhuh. Oh, I haven't switched to the CLI >> Uhhuh. Oh, I haven't switched to the CLI >> Uhhuh. Oh, I haven't switched to the CLI yet. I'm using the MCP. yet. I'm using the MCP. yet. I'm using the MCP. >> I need to switch to the CLI cuz I want >> I need to switch to the CLI cuz I want >> I need to switch to the CLI cuz I want to know you're a good AB. Is the skill to know you're a good AB. Is the skill to know you're a good AB. Is the skill better than the MCP or better than the MCP or better than the MCP or >> I No, I did do that actually. Let me >> I No, I did do that actually. Let me >> I No, I did do that actually. Let me find that session. I did do that and um find that session. I did do that and um find that session. I did do that and um I felt like after an hour it was just I felt like after an hour it was just I felt like after an hour it was just whack play and whack-a-mole because I whack play and whack-a-mole because I whack play and whack-a-mole because I was looking at the diff and my I feel was looking at the diff and my I feel was looking at the diff and my I feel like my my Spidey sense says it's about like my my Spidey sense says it's about like my my Spidey sense says it's about 60 to 80 lines of code to fix this and 60 to 80 lines of code to fix this and 60 to 80 lines of code to fix this and after about three or 400 it was just after about three or 400 it was just after about three or 400 it was just chasing its tail. So it's not it's not chasing its tail. So it's not it's not chasing its tail. So it's not it's not debug view's fault though it's my fault.

debug view's fault though it's my fault. debug view's fault though it's my fault. >> Okay. No. Uh, so that was not relevant >> Okay. No. Uh, so that was not relevant >> Okay. No. Uh, so that was not relevant to my question of is the CLI to my question of is the CLI to my question of is the CLI >> is the AI find the CLI easier to use >> is the AI find the CLI easier to use >> is the AI find the CLI easier to use than the MCP server? >> No, I don't think it >> No, I don't think it >> it's equivalent then it's just easier to >> it's equivalent then it's just easier to >> it's equivalent then it's just easier to ship a skill with the tool ship a skill with the tool ship a skill with the tool >> shipping a skill is probably better. I >> shipping a skill is probably better. I >> shipping a skill is probably better. I don't think it mattered in this case. don't think it mattered in this case. don't think it mattered in this case. The question is whether or not the MCP The question is whether or not the MCP The question is whether or not the MCP server took up a context space that I server took up a context space that I server took up a context space that I was concerned about was concerned about was concerned about >> because >> because >> because the the CLI would do that too the the CLI would do that too the the CLI would do that too potentially. I don't potentially. I don't potentially. I don't >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> I mean I I think for me is in this case >> I mean I I think for me is in this case >> I mean I I think for me is in this case of you using having the AI go and look of you using having the AI go and look of you using having the AI go and look at debug output, at debug output, at debug output, do you notice any difference between its do you notice any difference between its do you notice any difference between its ability to do that? ability to do that? ability to do that? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> With the CLI and skill versus the MCP >> With the CLI and skill versus the MCP >> With the CLI and skill versus the MCP server? server? server? >> I have not I have not seen any >> I have not I have not seen any >> I have not I have not seen any difference. Uh let me see if I can find difference. Uh let me see if I can find difference. Uh let me see if I can find an example here. Cuz if you can't, then an example here. Cuz if you can't, then an example here. Cuz if you can't, then like I said, that just drives the point like I said, that just drives the point like I said, that just drives the point home of if you can ship a tool with the home of if you can ship a tool with the home of if you can ship a tool with the skill, skill, skill, do that.

do that. do that. >> I see. So you're anti. You're saying >> I see. So you're anti. You're saying >> I see. So you're anti. You're saying just ship tools and skills, don't bother just ship tools and skills, don't bother just ship tools and skills, don't bother with MCPS at all. with MCPS at all. with MCPS at all. >> Yeah. Well, MCPs if it's truly a >> Yeah. Well, MCPs if it's truly a >> Yeah. Well, MCPs if it's truly a service. service. service. >> Yeah. And I think MCPs are for >> Yeah. And I think MCPs are for >> Yeah. And I think MCPs are for enterprises and things like that. enterprises and things like that. enterprises and things like that. >> But if it's local >> But if it's local >> But if it's local tool plus skill, tool plus skill, tool plus skill, >> I've always felt like someone should >> I've always felt like someone should >> I've always felt like someone should make it so the skill is embedded inside make it so the skill is embedded inside make it so the skill is embedded inside the CLI. the CLI. the CLI. Because right now you have to ship this Because right now you have to ship this Because right now you have to ship this markdown file and this markdown file and this markdown file and this >> exe. >> exe. >> exe. >> You should be able to go foo-kill >> You should be able to go foo-kill >> You should be able to go foo-kill and then have it spit. and then have it spit. and then have it spit. >> That's what I'm going to do. Yeah. >> That's what I'm going to do. Yeah. >> That's what I'm going to do. Yeah. >> You going to try that? >> You going to try that? >> You going to try that? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Can I get the second name on the thing >> Can I get the second name on the thing >> Can I get the second name on the thing when we when we when we >> spit spit out markdown? >> spit spit out markdown? >> spit spit out markdown? >> Yeah. I want my name on the end of that. >> Yeah. I want my name on the end of that. >> Yeah. I want my name on the end of that. >> No, [laughter] >> No, [laughter] >> No, [laughter] >> I'm not putting your pyline on there for >> I'm not putting your pyline on there for >> I'm not putting your pyline on there for having having having >> I want my pyline on that. Damn it. I'm >> I want my pyline on that. Damn it. I'm >> I want my pyline on that. Damn it. I'm inventing things. Um, inventing things. Um, inventing things. Um, let me show you my uh my emotional let me show you my uh my emotional let me show you my uh my emotional dashboard thing. I've shown this to a dashboard thing. I've shown this to a dashboard thing. I've shown this to a couple people. I like it.

couple people. I like it. couple people. I like it. >> Okay. And then uh Okay, cool. >> Okay. And then uh Okay, cool. >> Okay. And then uh Okay, cool. >> So, when do you want to start the show, >> So, when do you want to start the show, >> So, when do you want to start the show, by the way? by the way? by the way? >> Oh, this is the show. >> Oh, this is the show. >> Oh, this is the show. >> Is this the show? Okay. So, Okay. So, >> Is this the show? Okay. So, Okay. So, >> Is this the show? Okay. So, Okay. So, here's the GitHub Copilot app. here's the GitHub Copilot app. here's the GitHub Copilot app. If you look on the left hand side, it is If you look on the left hand side, it is If you look on the left hand side, it is a session multipplexer. a session multipplexer. a session multipplexer. So these are folders. Yep. So these are folders. Yep. So these are folders. Yep. >> These are repos, right? >> These are repos, right? >> These are repos, right? >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> And then here >> And then here >> And then here is a project. is a project. is a project. This is a top level session and then This is a top level session and then This is a top level session and then these are sub sessions beneath it. One, these are sub sessions beneath it. One, these are sub sessions beneath it. One, these two turned into merged PLR PRs. these two turned into merged PLR PRs. these two turned into merged PLR PRs. >> Did you create the subessions or did the >> Did you create the subessions or did the >> Did you create the subessions or did the agent create the sub sessions? You can agent create the sub sessions? You can agent create the sub sessions? You can tell it to create them and it will do tell it to create them and it will do tell it to create them and it will do what it needs to do based on reasons. what it needs to do based on reasons. what it needs to do based on reasons. >> Are those specific ones or are they auto >> Are those specific ones or are they auto >> Are those specific ones or are they auto auto that automatically generated or you auto that automatically generated or you auto that automatically generated or you just creates new sessions and make them just creates new sessions and make them just creates new sessions and make them subsessions? subsessions? subsessions? >> It there's a thing called slash >> It there's a thing called slash >> It there's a thing called slash orchestrate. orchestrate. orchestrate. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Which coordinates work across it and it >> Which coordinates work across it and it >> Which coordinates work across it and it is a skill that is very subsession is a skill that is very subsession is a skill that is very subsession heavy. So it likes to make subsessions.

heavy. So it likes to make subsessions. heavy. So it likes to make subsessions. So yeah it will programmatically make So yeah it will programmatically make So yeah it will programmatically make sub sub agents rather. sub sub agents rather. sub sub agents rather. So like this this one here is currently So like this this one here is currently So like this this one here is currently triaging a PR for a member of my team. triaging a PR for a member of my team. triaging a PR for a member of my team. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And then it's spinning off background >> And then it's spinning off background >> And then it's spinning off background agents, but they're not full sub agents, but they're not full sub agents, but they're not full sub sessions. sessions. sessions. You can see the chat. So here it's doing You can see the chat. So here it's doing You can see the chat. So here it's doing a rubber duck review on this PR. a rubber duck review on this PR. a rubber duck review on this PR. So then there's two running in the So then there's two running in the So then there's two running in the background. These show up as background background. These show up as background background. These show up as background agents and you can go and see them. And agents and you can go and see them. And agents and you can go and see them. And this one is saying it's structurally this one is saying it's structurally this one is saying it's structurally sound, but I need to because it's a UI, sound, but I need to because it's a UI, sound, but I need to because it's a UI, I need to figure out a way to human test I need to figure out a way to human test I need to figure out a way to human test it. it. it. >> So, I'm going to go and do some testing. >> So, I'm going to go and do some testing. >> So, I'm going to go and do some testing. And then I'm going to figure out how to And then I'm going to figure out how to And then I'm going to figure out how to all this stuff down here where it's all this stuff down here where it's all this stuff down here where it's saying it needs to navigate. I'm going saying it needs to navigate. I'm going saying it needs to navigate. I'm going to build a an MCP server or a tool to build a an MCP server or a tool to build a an MCP server or a tool around it to help it. Basically, I'm around it to help it. Basically, I'm around it to help it. Basically, I'm making it so the app making it so the app making it so the app um is itself instrumented. Mhm. um is itself instrumented. Mhm. um is itself instrumented. Mhm. >> So I actually we actually made an MCP >> So I actually we actually made an MCP >> So I actually we actually made an MCP server in the app itself.

server in the app itself. server in the app itself. >> No, that's cool. For automation, >> No, that's cool. For automation, >> No, that's cool. For automation, >> right? So, you know, it's funny >> right? So, you know, it's funny >> right? So, you know, it's funny [clears throat] because it's basically [clears throat] because it's basically [clears throat] because it's basically OA automation, you know. OA automation, you know. OA automation, you know. >> Yeah, except it's MCP, >> Yeah, except it's MCP, >> Yeah, except it's MCP, >> right? So, where is it? >> right? So, where is it? >> right? So, where is it? >> Text automation. >> Text automation. >> Text automation. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out where the heck I put it. where the heck I put it. where the heck I put it. Uh uh uh. Local gateway diagnostics. God Uh uh uh. Local gateway diagnostics. God Uh uh uh. Local gateway diagnostics. God dang it. We're always moving stuff dang it. We're always moving stuff dang it. We're always moving stuff around. around. around. Anyway, somewhere in here there is a Anyway, somewhere in here there is a Anyway, somewhere in here there is a specific section where I turned on the specific section where I turned on the specific section where I turned on the local MCP server. Oh, oh, and we also local MCP server. Oh, oh, and we also local MCP server. Oh, oh, and we also add added open telemetry add added open telemetry add added open telemetry which is pretty cool. Mhm. We have a which is pretty cool. Mhm. We have a which is pretty cool. Mhm. We have a whole section here for for engineers. whole section here for for engineers. whole section here for for engineers. So, I can hook up an hotel back end and So, I can hook up an hotel back end and So, I can hook up an hotel back end and then listen to it. So, you know, it's then listen to it. So, you know, it's then listen to it. So, you know, it's that was another way of being like it's that was another way of being like it's that was another way of being like it's it would be debug view except hotel. it would be debug view except hotel. it would be debug view except hotel. Yep. Yep. Yep. >> Okay. So, >> Okay. So, >> Okay. So, I have all these other little toy I have all these other little toy I have all these other little toy projects, projects, projects, Peak Desktop, Virtual Desktop. This is Peak Desktop, Virtual Desktop. This is Peak Desktop, Virtual Desktop. This is the beginning of the Handsomeman CIS the beginning of the Handsomeman CIS the beginning of the Handsomeman CIS internals competition, right? Little internals competition, right? Little internals competition, right? Little stupid apps that I make that stupid apps that I make that stupid apps that I make that >> Well, you should put those into Power >> Well, you should put those into Power >> Well, you should put those into Power Toys if they're that good.

Toys if they're that good. Toys if they're that good. >> It's funny you mentioned that. People >> It's funny you mentioned that. People >> It's funny you mentioned that. People have asked for these two to be put into have asked for these two to be put into have asked for these two to be put into Power Toys. So, I need to Power Toys. So, I need to Power Toys. So, I need to >> By the way, one of the So, one of the >> By the way, one of the So, one of the >> By the way, one of the So, one of the people on the system team people on the system team people on the system team >> Yeah. uh came up with a a tool that went >> Yeah. uh came up with a a tool that went >> Yeah. uh came up with a a tool that went into Power Toys that you should know into Power Toys that you should know into Power Toys that you should know about. It's um about. It's um about. It's um Grab and Move. Grab and Move. Grab and Move. >> Oh, dude. I've already talked to Grab >> Oh, dude. I've already talked to Grab >> Oh, dude. I've already talked to Grab and Move guy. I've got a whole chat and Move guy. I've got a whole chat and Move guy. I've got a whole chat going with him. going with him. going with him. >> Grab and move is great. >> Grab and move is great. >> Grab and move is great. >> It is great. Are you >> It is great. Are you >> It is great. Are you >> use it? Yeah, it's awesome. >> use it? Yeah, it's awesome. >> use it? Yeah, it's awesome. >> It's like >> It's like >> It's like to the desktop from the start. to the desktop from the start. to the desktop from the start. >> Grab and move should be built into >> Grab and move should be built into >> Grab and move should be built into Windows. Windows. Windows. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, instead of clicking the title bar up >> So, instead of clicking the title bar up >> So, instead of clicking the title bar up here, you hold down alt with your left here, you hold down alt with your left here, you hold down alt with your left thumb. thumb. thumb. and then move it and it picks up the and then move it and it picks up the and then move it and it picks up the whole thing. This is the kind of whole thing. This is the kind of whole thing. This is the kind of >> You can be behind everything else and if >> You can be behind everything else and if >> You can be behind everything else and if you just have an edge of it, you just you just have an edge of it, you just you just have an edge of it, you just grab it and grab it and grab it and >> all you got to [clears throat] do is >> all you got to [clears throat] do is >> all you got to [clears throat] do is grab a piece of it. grab a piece of it. grab a piece of it. >> Exactly. So like you go like this, >> Exactly. So like you go like this, >> Exactly. So like you go like this, >> you can grab it and it goes >> you can grab it and it goes >> you can grab it and it goes >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's fantastic. >> Yeah. It's fantastic. >> Yeah. It's fantastic. >> It's just so >> It's just so >> It's just so >> you don't have to search for the And >> you don't have to search for the And >> you don't have to search for the And especially now with a lot of these apps especially now with a lot of these apps especially now with a lot of these apps that kind of start encroaching on the that kind of start encroaching on the that kind of start encroaching on the title bar.

title bar. title bar. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like GitHub copilot or sorry VS Code. VS >> Like GitHub copilot or sorry VS Code. VS >> Like GitHub copilot or sorry VS Code. VS Code, by the way, you can't find a space Code, by the way, you can't find a space Code, by the way, you can't find a space now on the title bar a lot of times now on the title bar a lot of times now on the title bar a lot of times >> to grab it because it's using it's got >> to grab it because it's using it's got >> to grab it because it's using it's got an editor in there for the search box. an editor in there for the search box. an editor in there for the search box. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> it's got icons for opening chat and >> it's got icons for opening chat and >> it's got icons for opening chat and closing chat. So, if you you can't closing chat. So, if you you can't closing chat. So, if you you can't there's no space there, but grab and there's no space there, but grab and there's no space there, but grab and move makes it so you can grab it. move makes it so you can grab it. move makes it so you can grab it. >> Shout out to Alex. How do you pronounce >> Shout out to Alex. How do you pronounce >> Shout out to Alex. How do you pronounce his last name? his last name? his last name? >> Uh, Miha. >> Uh, Miha. >> Uh, Miha. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. >> Miho. >> Miho. >> Miho. Mihok. Yeah. Anyway, shout out to Alex Mihok. Yeah. Anyway, shout out to Alex Mihok. Yeah. Anyway, shout out to Alex in uh in your on your on your team. in uh in your on your on your team. in uh in your on your on your team. Okay, so I've got all these little Okay, so I've got all these little Okay, so I've got all these little projects. I How do you manage your like projects. I How do you manage your like projects. I How do you manage your like incoming inbox of stuff? Cuz you can go incoming inbox of stuff? Cuz you can go incoming inbox of stuff? Cuz you can go here and you can like look at work and here and you can like look at work and here and you can like look at work and you can see like these are all you can see like these are all you can see like these are all >> Well, what's it? What do you mean >> Well, what's it? What do you mean >> Well, what's it? What do you mean incoming inbox? incoming inbox? incoming inbox? >> Your inbox of PRs. Like you have a >> Your inbox of PRs. Like you have a >> Your inbox of PRs. Like you have a project on GitHub that's like 3 years project on GitHub that's like 3 years project on GitHub that's like 3 years old. Would you notice if someone did a old. Would you notice if someone did a old. Would you notice if someone did a PR for that? PR for that? PR for that? >> I got an email. Yeah. And would you like >> I got an email. Yeah. And would you like >> I got an email. Yeah. And would you like triage that email triage that email triage that email >> or is it gonna it's going to sit there >> or is it gonna it's going to sit there >> or is it gonna it's going to sit there for months, right?

for months, right? for months, right? >> Uh >> Uh >> Uh I mean I don't get that many that I've I mean I don't get that many that I've I mean I don't get that many that I've got to automate it like you are. got to automate it like you are. got to automate it like you are. >> Well, yeah. So I've got like hundreds of >> Well, yeah. So I've got like hundreds of >> Well, yeah. So I've got like hundreds of these things these things these things and there's my regular job and then here and there's my regular job and then here and there's my regular job and then here you go. Like so Doug and I have been you go. Like so Doug and I have been you go. Like so Doug and I have been looking at Open Live Writer and getting looking at Open Live Writer and getting looking at Open Live Writer and getting it modernized. it modernized. it modernized. >> Is Doug the name of your agent? >> Is Doug the name of your agent? >> Is Doug the name of your agent? >> Doug. >> Doug. >> Doug. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. Doug is Doug Raffone is a guy Doug is Doug Raffone is a guy Doug is Doug Raffone is a guy >> but the point is it's just an over this >> but the point is it's just an over this >> but the point is it's just an over this this section here that's called my work this section here that's called my work this section here that's called my work is just stupid large right is just stupid large right is just stupid large right >> so like here's some >> so like here's some >> so like here's some >> overwhelming >> overwhelming >> overwhelming >> what's that >> what's that >> what's that >> isn't that overwhelming I mean even >> isn't that overwhelming I mean even >> isn't that overwhelming I mean even reading the AI reviews takes time reading the AI reviews takes time reading the AI reviews takes time >> that's the thing it's completely >> that's the thing it's completely >> that's the thing it's completely overwhelming so this is like 20 these overwhelming so this is like 20 these overwhelming so this is like 20 these are like 26 day old things I've got a are like 26 day old things I've got a are like 26 day old things I've got a couple that are months old like this is couple that are months old like this is couple that are months old like this is ridiculous so there's a thing in GitHub ridiculous so there's a thing in GitHub ridiculous so there's a thing in GitHub Copilot called a canvas. And a canvas is Copilot called a canvas. And a canvas is Copilot called a canvas. And a canvas is effectively an I frame. effectively an I frame. effectively an I frame. This is an iframe here running on a This is an iframe here running on a This is an iframe here running on a local server. And you see how the theme local server. And you see how the theme local server. And you see how the theme and all the like the look and feel and all the like the look and feel and all the like the look and feel integrates cleanly except it has plugged integrates cleanly except it has plugged integrates cleanly except it has plugged into it an interface that allows it to into it an interface that allows it to into it an interface that allows it to talk back and forth. So sub agents can talk back and forth. So sub agents can talk back and forth. So sub agents can notify it and it can modify the chat.

notify it and it can modify the chat. notify it and it can modify the chat. So now I have a section here called the So now I have a section here called the So now I have a section here called the human first inbox and I have people in human first inbox and I have people in human first inbox and I have people in decisions first stuff that needs me decisions first stuff that needs me decisions first stuff that needs me specifically stuff that's broken agents specifically stuff that's broken agents specifically stuff that's broken agents that have come back with specific that have come back with specific that have come back with specific details and then this section here details and then this section here details and then this section here called older humans. It doesn't mean called older humans. It doesn't mean called older humans. It doesn't mean like humans that are a certain age. It like humans that are a certain age. It like humans that are a certain age. It means stuff that I have ignored. That is means stuff that I have ignored. That is means stuff that I have ignored. That is it means a human is out there waiting. it means a human is out there waiting. it means a human is out there waiting. So when I did that, I realized that I've So when I did that, I realized that I've So when I did that, I realized that I've got people from eight months ago with got people from eight months ago with got people from eight months ago with pull requests that I have not respected. pull requests that I have not respected. pull requests that I have not respected. >> That's disgraceful. >> That's disgraceful. >> That's disgraceful. >> Well, it's even more disgraceful when >> Well, it's even more disgraceful when >> Well, it's even more disgraceful when you go down here and you find seven and you go down here and you find seven and you go down here and you find seven and 10 year old PRs that you missed. >> Did you really miss them? >> Did you really miss them? >> I did. I did legit didn't see them. >> I did. I did legit didn't see them. >> I did. I did legit didn't see them. >> Huh. So the part that's cool though is >> Huh. So the part that's cool though is >> Huh. So the part that's cool though is then you just click on them then you just click on them then you just click on them and then you can fire off sessions. So and then you can fire off sessions. So and then you can fire off sessions. So you have it build you a prompt of you have it build you a prompt of you have it build you a prompt of prompts and then use orchestrate which prompts and then use orchestrate which prompts and then use orchestrate which spins off management work and then I can spins off management work and then I can spins off management work and then I can mark them as seen. So I can manage all mark them as seen. So I can manage all mark them as seen. So I can manage all of these and it's all very kind of you of these and it's all very kind of you of these and it's all very kind of you see this here I prioritize humans see this here I prioritize humans see this here I prioritize humans things that I need to review that are things that I need to review that are things that I need to review that are important important important and then tedious work just like bot work and then tedious work just like bot work and then tedious work just like bot work which is like updating um which is like updating um which is like updating um dependabot and stuff like that.

dependabot and stuff like that. dependabot and stuff like that. So here's a good view of it. So I have a So here's a good view of it. So I have a So here's a good view of it. So I have a conbon board showing recent things that conbon board showing recent things that conbon board showing recent things that I did. I did. I did. >> Mhm. things that are currently waiting >> Mhm. things that are currently waiting >> Mhm. things that are currently waiting for me and things that I finished and for me and things that I finished and for me and things that I finished and then things that I am blocked on because then things that I am blocked on because then things that I am blocked on because I need to go and actually do a manual I need to go and actually do a manual I need to go and actually do a manual test. test. test. >> I think it's pretty cool. >> I think it's pretty cool. >> I think it's pretty cool. >> This is your emotional support. >> This is your emotional support. >> This is your emotional support. >> Well, so yes, what I can do here is I >> Well, so yes, what I can do here is I >> Well, so yes, what I can do here is I have a section here called a plan for have a section here called a plan for have a section here called a plan for the day you have. So like I did not the day you have. So like I did not the day you have. So like I did not sleep well last night for some reason. I sleep well last night for some reason. I sleep well last night for some reason. I didn't get to bed till like 3:00. So I'm didn't get to bed till like 3:00. So I'm didn't get to bed till like 3:00. So I'm on like four hours of sleep. on like four hours of sleep. on like four hours of sleep. >> So were you just laying in bed? I was >> So were you just laying in bed? I was >> So were you just laying in bed? I was watching Chicago Med. watching Chicago Med. watching Chicago Med. >> I just couldn't sleep. I don't know why. >> I just couldn't sleep. I don't know why. >> I just couldn't sleep. I don't know why. I ended up taking melatonin. I ended up taking melatonin. I ended up taking melatonin. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I was playing Crimson Crimson Desert >> I was playing Crimson Crimson Desert >> I was playing Crimson Crimson Desert last this weekend and I'm having a blast last this weekend and I'm having a blast last this weekend and I'm having a blast and I just completely screwed my sleep and I just completely screwed my sleep and I just completely screwed my sleep schedule up. So the point is you wake up schedule up. So the point is you wake up schedule up. So the point is you wake up on a certain day and you're aware of how on a certain day and you're aware of how on a certain day and you're aware of how you feel. So do I feel like focused you feel. So do I feel like focused you feel. So do I feel like focused engineering? It'll give me things that engineering? It'll give me things that engineering? It'll give me things that you can really focus on. [laughter] you can really focus on. [laughter] you can really focus on. [laughter] Or do you feel like I just want to do Or do you feel like I just want to do Or do you feel like I just want to do low energy maintenance?

low energy maintenance? low energy maintenance? Why are you laughing at me, man? This is Why are you laughing at me, man? This is Why are you laughing at me, man? This is pretty cool. [laughter] pretty cool. [laughter] pretty cool. [laughter] >> I think it's freaking amazing. >> I think it's freaking amazing. >> I think it's freaking amazing. >> I think it's a call out of like why >> I think it's a call out of like why >> I think it's a call out of like why things matter and like what is the kind things matter and like what is the kind things matter and like what is the kind of work and what's my mental bandwidth? of work and what's my mental bandwidth? of work and what's my mental bandwidth? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So like people need to be acknowledging >> So like people need to be acknowledging >> So like people need to be acknowledging of how they feel. of how they feel. of how they feel. Do you think about that? Like do you Do you think about that? Like do you Do you think about that? Like do you think about how the bot is making you think about how the bot is making you think about how the bot is making you feel? And like do you when you're like feel? And like do you when you're like feel? And like do you when you're like not burning tokens, do you go like it not burning tokens, do you go like it not burning tokens, do you go like it should be working. It should be like I'm should be working. It should be like I'm should be working. It should be like I'm not wasting time. It should be in the not wasting time. It should be in the not wasting time. It should be in the background. That's not healthy. background. That's not healthy. background. That's not healthy. >> It's not good for any of us. >> It's not good for any of us. >> It's not good for any of us. >> I agree. >> I agree. >> I agree. But it is. But it is. But it is. >> It's, you know, it's the thrill of >> It's, you know, it's the thrill of >> It's, you know, it's the thrill of creation though, too. It's like, and creation though, too. It's like, and creation though, too. It's like, and also I also I also I >> Yes, but it's the dopamine thing. The >> Yes, but it's the dopamine thing. The >> Yes, but it's the dopamine thing. The thrill of creation doesn't mean that thrill of creation doesn't mean that thrill of creation doesn't mean that that that the flywheel needs to be that that the flywheel needs to be that that the flywheel needs to be spinning 24 hours a day. spinning 24 hours a day. spinning 24 hours a day. >> True. But at once I've got a good idea >> True. But at once I've got a good idea >> True. But at once I've got a good idea and I'm just like, "Wow, what? Let me and I'm just like, "Wow, what? Let me and I'm just like, "Wow, what? Let me will this work?" Oh, now how about this?

will this work?" Oh, now how about this? will this work?" Oh, now how about this? Oh, what about that? Oh, by the way, let Oh, what about that? Oh, by the way, let Oh, what about that? Oh, by the way, let me tell you something else I'm working me tell you something else I'm working me tell you something else I'm working on right now in the background on on right now in the background on on right now in the background on everything else which everything else which everything else which >> just for the hell of it. You know, I did >> just for the hell of it. You know, I did >> just for the hell of it. You know, I did the Doom and Paint thing. I don't know. the Doom and Paint thing. I don't know. the Doom and Paint thing. I don't know. Talked about that, but I did. I was just Talked about that, but I did. I was just Talked about that, but I did. I was just like, "Hey, go what what has Doom not like, "Hey, go what what has Doom not like, "Hey, go what what has Doom not run in?" And yeah, some people have made run in?" And yeah, some people have made run in?" And yeah, some people have made Doom and Paints, but they're not good. Doom and Paints, but they're not good. Doom and Paints, but they're not good. Uh, like one of them is like it's Uh, like one of them is like it's Uh, like one of them is like it's literally using brush and pen and it's literally using brush and pen and it's literally using brush and pen and it's like each frame takes 10 minutes to draw like each frame takes 10 minutes to draw like each frame takes 10 minutes to draw and then, you know, they speed up the and then, you know, they speed up the and then, you know, they speed up the video to show. Um, but there's no really video to show. Um, but there's no really video to show. Um, but there's no really been any kind of using Doom natively as been any kind of using Doom natively as been any kind of using Doom natively as a display. So, I'm like, I wonder if AI a display. So, I'm like, I wonder if AI a display. So, I'm like, I wonder if AI could do this. So, I just said, hey, could do this. So, I just said, hey, could do this. So, I just said, hey, make a Doom and Paint. And it was again, make a Doom and Paint. And it was again, make a Doom and Paint. And it was again, yeah, I had to tweak it a few places and yeah, I had to tweak it a few places and yeah, I had to tweak it a few places and guide it a little bit, but you know, if guide it a little bit, but you know, if guide it a little bit, but you know, if in an hour I had Doom playing in Paint. in an hour I had Doom playing in Paint. in an hour I had Doom playing in Paint. >> So, how it works awesome. >> So, how it works awesome. >> So, how it works awesome. >> How does it actually do the painting? >> How does it actually do the painting? >> How does it actually do the painting? >> It uses the clipboard. Um, and actually >> It uses the clipboard. Um, and actually >> It uses the clipboard. Um, and actually there the first version, there the first version, there the first version, >> you're just double buffering in Paint. >> you're just double buffering in Paint. >> you're just double buffering in Paint. You're frame you're pasting into the You're frame you're pasting into the You're frame you're pasting into the paint. paint. paint. >> It's pasting in the paint. Yeah.

>> It's pasting in the paint. Yeah. >> It's pasting in the paint. Yeah. >> So, it buffers it it renders off screen >> So, it buffers it it renders off screen >> So, it buffers it it renders off screen onto the clipboard and then you paste onto the clipboard and then you paste onto the clipboard and then you paste in. And how many frames a second do you in. And how many frames a second do you in. And how many frames a second do you paste in? Well, you can you can so paste in? Well, you can you can so paste in? Well, you can you can so the the nice thing is you can you don't the the nice thing is you can you don't the the nice thing is you can you don't have to do a a paint gesture anymore. have to do a a paint gesture anymore. have to do a a paint gesture anymore. You can just trigger through a delay. You can just trigger through a delay. You can just trigger through a delay. Hey, there's an update in the clipboard. Hey, there's an update in the clipboard. Hey, there's an update in the clipboard. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And then Paint will read it, which got >> And then Paint will read it, which got >> And then Paint will read it, which got rid of like a clunky path of actually rid of like a clunky path of actually rid of like a clunky path of actually doing the paste. doing the paste. doing the paste. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So, it just inserts it in the clipboard >> So, it just inserts it in the clipboard >> So, it just inserts it in the clipboard and then Paint just reads it out. And uh and then Paint just reads it out. And uh and then Paint just reads it out. And uh with that with that with that >> just watching the clipboard. >> just watching the clipboard. >> just watching the clipboard. >> Yeah. Well, it gets notified through >> Yeah. Well, it gets notified through >> Yeah. Well, it gets notified through this Olay thing, the similar interface this Olay thing, the similar interface this Olay thing, the similar interface that's been there. But the the first that's been there. But the the first that's been there. But the the first version would be kind of choppy and it version would be kind of choppy and it version would be kind of choppy and it maybe you know depending on your machine maybe you know depending on your machine maybe you know depending on your machine get 30 40 frames a second get 30 40 frames a second get 30 40 frames a second >> and then >> and then >> and then um I'm like this is this is especially um I'm like this is this is especially um I'm like this is this is especially if you did 2x cuz you can run 2x the if you did 2x cuz you can run 2x the if you did 2x cuz you can run 2x the resolution, resolution, resolution, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> It would get slower. So I I went to AI >> It would get slower. So I I went to AI >> It would get slower. So I I went to AI and I said I take credit for this. Hey, and I said I take credit for this. Hey, and I said I take credit for this. Hey, it's really choppy and uneven. Look at it's really choppy and uneven. Look at it's really choppy and uneven. Look at ways to speed up the frame rate. So, it ways to speed up the frame rate. So, it ways to speed up the frame rate. So, it comes back in a few minutes and it goes, comes back in a few minutes and it goes, comes back in a few minutes and it goes, "Oh, I found this Olay interface and I "Oh, I found this Olay interface and I "Oh, I found this Olay interface and I tested it." Oh, Paint actually listens tested it." Oh, Paint actually listens tested it." Oh, Paint actually listens to this. And so, we can avoid the clunky to this. And so, we can avoid the clunky to this. And so, we can avoid the clunky paste operation and just up paint right paste operation and just up paint right paste operation and just up paint right in, you know, just render right into the in, you know, just render right into the in, you know, just render right into the clipboard and then just let Paint know clipboard and then just let Paint know clipboard and then just let Paint know it's there. And now the frame rate can it's there. And now the frame rate can it's there. And now the frame rate can be 60 70 frames per second. So, it's be 60 70 frames per second. So, it's be 60 70 frames per second. So, it's capped at 35, which is the Doom native

capped at 35, which is the Doom native capped at 35, which is the Doom native frame rate. So now it plays buttery and frame rate. So now it plays buttery and frame rate. So now it plays buttery and it's async too. So it plays buttery it's async too. So it plays buttery it's async too. So it plays buttery smooth because Doom is just up up smooth because Doom is just up up smooth because Doom is just up up updating the clipboard and then every updating the clipboard and then every updating the clipboard and then every 35 times a second. 35 times a second. 35 times a second. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> it lets Paint know grab the latest >> it lets Paint know grab the latest >> it lets Paint know grab the latest thing. thing. thing. >> It's it's the Olay object stuff when you >> It's it's the Olay object stuff when you >> It's it's the Olay object stuff when you used to like make a chart in Excel and used to like make a chart in Excel and used to like make a chart in Excel and then paste it into then paste it into then paste it into >> into uh Word and then Excel would update >> into uh Word and then Excel would update >> into uh Word and then Excel would update the chart and notify Word that it the chart and notify Word that it the chart and notify Word that it updated. updated. updated. >> Exactly. So you're in the middle of a >> Exactly. So you're in the middle of a >> Exactly. So you're in the middle of a paste and the paste has not yet paste and the paste has not yet paste and the paste has not yet completed and you're updating the paste completed and you're updating the paste completed and you're updating the paste in in C2. in in C2. in in C2. >> So this paste is one that never >> So this paste is one that never >> So this paste is one that never completes. It just gets updated completes. It just gets updated completes. It just gets updated >> which is Yeah, this is this is there's >> which is Yeah, this is this is there's >> which is Yeah, this is this is there's like five people in the world that care like five people in the world that care like five people in the world that care about this cuz I was noticing that about this cuz I was noticing that about this cuz I was noticing that you're in the middle of the pace. The you're in the middle of the pace. The you're in the middle of the pace. The pace is not a completed pace. pace is not a completed pace. pace is not a completed pace. >> Here's a question. Can you spin it? >> Here's a question. Can you spin it? >> Here's a question. Can you spin it? >> Can it be rotated and [clears throat] >> Can it be rotated and [clears throat] >> Can it be rotated and [clears throat] and does it keep going? Okay, and does it keep going? Okay, and does it keep going? Okay, >> share your screen. And that's a show.

>> share your screen. And that's a show. >> share your screen. And that's a show. [laughter] >> This is our finale. >> This is our finale. >> Uh, let me get on to a clean display >> Uh, let me get on to a clean display >> Uh, let me get on to a clean display here. here. here. >> Well, that's the other thing I want to >> Well, that's the other thing I want to >> Well, that's the other thing I want to see on the next show. I want to see your see on the next show. I want to see your see on the next show. I want to see your Speaking of clean displays, I want to Speaking of clean displays, I want to Speaking of clean displays, I want to see your extend solution in zoom. see your extend solution in zoom. see your extend solution in zoom. >> Oh, oops. I entered the wrong thing. Uh, >> Oh, oops. I entered the wrong thing. Uh, >> Oh, oops. I entered the wrong thing. Uh, I forgot to tell. So, the where I was I forgot to tell. So, the where I was I forgot to tell. So, the where I was going with this, by the way, going with this, by the way, going with this, by the way, is in the background. is in the background. is in the background. >> This is the exciting part where everyone >> This is the exciting part where everyone >> This is the exciting part where everyone wonders what the heck you're doing wonders what the heck you're doing wonders what the heck you're doing because you haven't shared your screen. because you haven't shared your screen. because you haven't shared your screen. >> Well, I'm getting it launched here. Let >> Well, I'm getting it launched here. Let >> Well, I'm getting it launched here. Let me >> It's fine. We'll wait. It's not like >> It's fine. We'll wait. It's not like it's it's it's >> uh No, it's not it's not letting me spin >> uh No, it's not it's not letting me spin >> uh No, it's not it's not letting me spin it. it. it. No, cuz it's it's grabbing back control. No, cuz it's it's grabbing back control. No, cuz it's it's grabbing back control. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that doesn't work. Yeah, that doesn't work. Yeah, that doesn't work. >> So, you can't you can't do a finale. >> So, you can't you can't do a finale. >> So, you can't you can't do a finale. That is the finale. That is the finale. That is the finale. >> Well, actually, what I was going to tell >> Well, actually, what I was going to tell >> Well, actually, what I was going to tell you is that I've been you is that I've been you is that I've been creating a um Let me get onto a fresh creating a um Let me get onto a fresh creating a um Let me get onto a fresh desktop here so I can show you desktop here so I can show you desktop here so I can show you a version of uh uh so I've been making it so that um uh uh so I've been making it so that um you can create custom levels uh based you can create custom levels uh based you can create custom levels uh based off of a prompt. And so I said, "Create off of a prompt. And so I said, "Create off of a prompt. And so I said, "Create the Death Star the Death Star the Death Star as a level."

as a level." as a level." >> Oh, dude. >> Oh, dude. >> Oh, dude. >> And so it creates a map. It creates >> And so it creates a map. It creates >> And so it creates a map. It creates changes the monsters, changes sound changes the monsters, changes sound changes the monsters, changes sound effects. This is all dynamically effects. This is all dynamically effects. This is all dynamically generated like based on my generated like based on my generated like based on my >> like every level is different. >> like every level is different. >> like every level is different. >> Yeah. So I've been iterating and >> Yeah. So I've been iterating and >> Yeah. So I've been iterating and refining to make refining to make refining to make >> the Stormtroopers. >> the Stormtroopers. >> the Stormtroopers. >> What's that? >> What's that? >> What's that? >> It made the Stormtroopers. >> It made the Stormtroopers. >> It made the Stormtroopers. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it's And you notice it's a it's a >> And it's And you notice it's a it's a >> And it's And you notice it's a it's a laser blaster, not a Doom gun. laser blaster, not a Doom gun. laser blaster, not a Doom gun. >> Yeah. Yeah. Had someone else done this? >> Yeah. Yeah. Had someone else done this? >> Yeah. Yeah. Had someone else done this? Was there prior art? Was there prior art? Was there prior art? >> No. No. This is my idea. >> No. No. This is my idea. >> No. No. This is my idea. >> How long did that take? How many turns >> How long did that take? How many turns >> How long did that take? How many turns is that? is that? is that? >> It's lots of turns and it's still I'm >> It's lots of turns and it's still I'm >> It's lots of turns and it's still I'm still refining it. I've I've been still refining it. I've I've been still refining it. I've I've been gradually improving the quality of the gradually improving the quality of the gradually improving the quality of the maps and the quality of the textures and maps and the quality of the textures and maps and the quality of the textures and rendering and everything that that was rendering and everything that that was rendering and everything that that was actually a previous version. So, it's actually a previous version. So, it's actually a previous version. So, it's even better than that to get it up to even better than that to get it up to even better than that to get it up to like it'll generate a a Doom like it'll generate a a Doom like it'll generate a a Doom >> quality. It's like Battlefront like cuz >> quality. It's like Battlefront like cuz >> quality. It's like Battlefront like cuz Battlefront is still like peak. Battlefront is still like peak. Battlefront is still like peak. >> Yeah. But I would play that. >> Yeah. But I would play that. >> Yeah. But I would play that. >> That's just an example. You like you can >> That's just an example. You like you can >> That's just an example. You like you can do create an aliens game. What I was do create an aliens game. What I was do create an aliens game. What I was think is you can give it a you can draw think is you can give it a you can draw think is you can give it a you can draw hand draw a map and give it to it and hand draw a map and give it to it and hand draw a map and give it to it and say create a Doom level out of this with say create a Doom level out of this with say create a Doom level out of this with here's textures here's textures here's textures >> like of my house. So you can play Doom >> like of my house. So you can play Doom >> like of my house. So you can play Doom in your house like you know rendered in in your house like you know rendered in in your house like you know rendered in a crappy block a crappy block a crappy block >> but it's and it's just for fun. Um >> but it's and it's just for fun. Um >> but it's and it's just for fun. Um >> No, that's awesome. I play >> No, that's awesome. I play >> No, that's awesome. I play >> have that out in a in a week or so.

>> have that out in a in a week or so. >> have that out in a in a week or so. >> Don't sue us, George Lucas. That is a >> Don't sue us, George Lucas. That is a >> Don't sue us, George Lucas. That is a fan art. fan art. fan art. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> that's actually pretty cool. That's not >> that's actually pretty cool. That's not >> that's actually pretty cool. That's not as uh Yeah, I was I was hoping to have a as uh Yeah, I was I was hoping to have a as uh Yeah, I was I was hoping to have a finale with Doom in in Paintbrush, but I finale with Doom in in Paintbrush, but I finale with Doom in in Paintbrush, but I got to say Star Wars Doom. That's hot. got to say Star Wars Doom. That's hot. got to say Star Wars Doom. That's hot. >> Just that's just an example of prompted >> Just that's just an example of prompted >> Just that's just an example of prompted Doom levels. Doom levels. Doom levels. >> And did you make the Stormtroopers bad >> And did you make the Stormtroopers bad >> And did you make the Stormtroopers bad shots? shots? shots? >> No, I didn't. That's the Doom play the >> No, I didn't. That's the Doom play the >> No, I didn't. That's the Doom play the Doom monsters are bad shots to begin Doom monsters are bad shots to begin Doom monsters are bad shots to begin with. with. with. >> Yeah, that's fair. They just come at >> Yeah, that's fair. They just come at >> Yeah, that's fair. They just come at you. you. you. >> There's Darth Vader in there, too. They >> There's Darth Vader in there, too. They >> There's Darth Vader in there, too. They put in Darth Vader in there as the as put in Darth Vader in there as the as put in Darth Vader in there as the as boss as a boss type. boss as a boss type. boss as a boss type. >> This is hot. This is hot. >> This is hot. This is hot. >> This is hot. This is hot. >> But the you know, it's limitless. It's >> But the you know, it's limitless. It's >> But the you know, it's limitless. It's basically basically basically I want you know go it's kind of like I want you know go it's kind of like I want you know go it's kind of like potentially the future of game design. potentially the future of game design. potentially the future of game design. There's deterministic scaffolding behind There's deterministic scaffolding behind There's deterministic scaffolding behind it because what it'll do is it's got a a it because what it'll do is it's got a a it because what it'll do is it's got a a map language. So the AI the LLM is map language. So the AI the LLM is map language. So the AI the LLM is generating the maps in this map DSL that generating the maps in this map DSL that generating the maps in this map DSL that is [clears throat] created on the fly is [clears throat] created on the fly is [clears throat] created on the fly for this. for this. for this. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then it's got a bunch of like >> And then it's got a bunch of like >> And then it's got a bunch of like llinters for it. Mhm.

llinters for it. Mhm. llinters for it. Mhm. >> So it like the AI can run it and go, >> So it like the AI can run it and go, >> So it like the AI can run it and go, "Oh, you know what? The key for this "Oh, you know what? The key for this "Oh, you know what? The key for this door violates a rule of being too close door violates a rule of being too close door violates a rule of being too close to the door." to the door." to the door." And then the AI can iterate, you know, And then the AI can iterate, you know, And then the AI can iterate, you know, just like it would with this coding. just like it would with this coding. just like it would with this coding. >> This is the thing, man. Like I don't >> This is the thing, man. Like I don't >> This is the thing, man. Like I don't want to be want to be want to be an AI slop person, but that seems an AI slop person, but that seems an AI slop person, but that seems awesome. It doesn't seem like slop, awesome. It doesn't seem like slop, awesome. It doesn't seem like slop, but at the same time, like I'm telling but at the same time, like I'm telling but at the same time, like I'm telling you, man, I'm playing this game Crimson you, man, I'm playing this game Crimson you, man, I'm playing this game Crimson Desert. Desert. Desert. It is It is It is argu It is almost a perfect game, and argu It is almost a perfect game, and argu It is almost a perfect game, and you can like feel the joy of the humans you can like feel the joy of the humans you can like feel the joy of the humans that wrote this game in the game. that wrote this game in the game. that wrote this game in the game. >> Like, it is >> Like, it is >> Like, it is fantastic. This game, fantastic. This game, fantastic. This game, >> I have to try it. It's it's a slow burn, >> I have to try it. It's it's a slow burn, >> I have to try it. It's it's a slow burn, but within the after about three hours, but within the after about three hours, but within the after about three hours, you're like, "Holy crap, it's Zelda. you're like, "Holy crap, it's Zelda. you're like, "Holy crap, it's Zelda. It's Elden Ring. It's it's um Elder It's Elden Ring. It's it's um Elder It's Elden Ring. It's it's um Elder Scrolls. It's uh it's freaking Animal Scrolls. It's uh it's freaking Animal Scrolls. It's uh it's freaking Animal Crossing. It's whatever you want it to Crossing. It's whatever you want it to Crossing. It's whatever you want it to be. It's an Ubisoft game in the sense of be. It's an Ubisoft game in the sense of be. It's an Ubisoft game in the sense of like you want to go and run towards a like you want to go and run towards a like you want to go and run towards a dot and do a task for somebody and then dot and do a task for somebody and then dot and do a task for somebody and then run back. Cool. You don't want to do run back. Cool. You don't want to do run back. Cool. You don't want to do that. You want to build your little uh that. You want to build your little uh that. You want to build your little uh camp and and cook food, do that. You see camp and and cook food, do that. You see camp and and cook food, do that. You see something over what's over that mountain something over what's over that mountain something over what's over that mountain over there? Run towards the mountain, over there? Run towards the mountain, over there? Run towards the mountain, you can go there. You want to like you you can go there. You want to like you you can go there. You want to like you want to do like like Far Cry and you want to do like like Far Cry and you want to do like like Far Cry and you want to just liberate rebels, do it.

want to just liberate rebels, do it. want to just liberate rebels, do it. There's an entire sub game that is just There's an entire sub game that is just There's an entire sub game that is just like playing cards. like playing cards. like playing cards. It's it's It's it's It's it's >> Yeah. and and and it I I know that in >> Yeah. and and and it I I know that in >> Yeah. and and and it I I know that in some point in the future you'd be able some point in the future you'd be able some point in the future you'd be able to like dynamically generate that, but to like dynamically generate that, but to like dynamically generate that, but this is one of those games where on a this is one of those games where on a this is one of those games where on a 4080 Super, which is my m my my kind of 4080 Super, which is my m my my kind of 4080 Super, which is my m my my kind of four-year-old video card, I'll just sit four-year-old video card, I'll just sit four-year-old video card, I'll just sit there and look at the freaking grass there and look at the freaking grass there and look at the freaking grass sway. sway. sway. I don't want that to be AI generated. I don't want that to be AI generated. I don't want that to be AI generated. Like, there's a human out there who Like, there's a human out there who Like, there's a human out there who worked on that game and made that game worked on that game and made that game worked on that game and made that game freaking amazing. All right. So, let's freaking amazing. All right. So, let's freaking amazing. All right. So, let's say that uh my Doom map generator, you say that uh my Doom map generator, you say that uh my Doom map generator, you know, I generate a Death Star map. know, I generate a Death Star map. know, I generate a Death Star map. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I've got the guardrails around it >> And I've got the guardrails around it >> And I've got the guardrails around it that have it generate the map with Doom, that have it generate the map with Doom, that have it generate the map with Doom, you know, based on the Doom maps you know, based on the Doom maps you know, based on the Doom maps production style, production style, production style, >> right, >> right, >> right, >> for es escalation and difficulty and >> for es escalation and difficulty and >> for es escalation and difficulty and polish. polish. polish. And how are you going to tell when you And how are you going to tell when you And how are you going to tell when you play it that it's not a human that play it that it's not a human that play it that it's not a human that created it?

created it? created it? >> That's the that's the big question. Like >> That's the that's the big question. Like >> That's the that's the big question. Like [snorts] [snorts] [snorts] just because something that is generated just because something that is generated just because something that is generated is not like what do we do? I think we is not like what do we do? I think we is not like what do we do? I think we have to label it. You can't have to label it. You can't have to label it. You can't >> Well, you remember I think it was 3 >> Well, you remember I think it was 3 >> Well, you remember I think it was 3 years ago now somebody won an art years ago now somebody won an art years ago now somebody won an art competent competent competent >> with AI. I don't like I don't like it. >> with AI. I don't like I don't like it. >> with AI. I don't like I don't like it. Well, I know you don't like it, but Well, I know you don't like it, but Well, I know you don't like it, but >> it brings up very deep philosophical >> it brings up very deep philosophical >> it brings up very deep philosophical questions about what's okay and what's questions about what's okay and what's questions about what's okay and what's not okay. not okay. not okay. >> Well, actually, it does it. Like, look, >> Well, actually, it does it. Like, look, >> Well, actually, it does it. Like, look, I want to play Doom and the Death Star. I want to play Doom and the Death Star. I want to play Doom and the Death Star. Do I have to wait for a human to come up Do I have to wait for a human to come up Do I have to wait for a human to come up with the theme for Doom? Star Wars Doom with the theme for Doom? Star Wars Doom with the theme for Doom? Star Wars Doom >> have to is the wrong question. Should >> have to is the wrong question. Should >> have to is the wrong question. Should you have to you have to you have to >> like taco drones directly drop the tacos >> like taco drones directly drop the tacos >> like taco drones directly drop the tacos into your mouth? Like, into your mouth? Like, into your mouth? Like, >> sure. >> sure. >> sure. >> Art is supposed to take time. >> Art is supposed to take time. >> Art is supposed to take time. >> No, it's not. This is not this. It >> No, it's not. This is not this. It >> No, it's not. This is not this. It reminds me of the debates that I had in reminds me of the debates that I had in reminds me of the debates that I had in my college English class of what did the my college English class of what did the my college English class of what did the author mean and does it matter if the author mean and does it matter if the author mean and does it matter if the author intended to mean something if the author intended to mean something if the author intended to mean something if the reader takes away some a different their reader takes away some a different their reader takes away some a different their own meaning? own meaning? own meaning? >> And there was people arguing on both >> And there was people arguing on both >> And there was people arguing on both sides.

sides. sides. >> Yeah. And actually similar to even the >> Yeah. And actually similar to even the >> Yeah. And actually similar to even the the the raging controversy over George the the raging controversy over George the the raging controversy over George Lucas going back and editing the Lucas going back and editing the Lucas going back and editing the original Star Wars on the re-releases to original Star Wars on the re-releases to original Star Wars on the re-releases to put additional scenes in them. put additional scenes in them. put additional scenes in them. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And people saying, "No, that's not >> And people saying, "No, that's not >> And people saying, "No, that's not right. That's not the original. You're right. That's not the original. You're right. That's not the original. You're screwing with it. >> I don't know, man. People in the chat >> I don't know, man. People in the chat should uh should comment on this. should uh should comment on this. should uh should comment on this. >> Should have a healthy argument >> Should have a healthy argument >> Should have a healthy argument >> because pe people are dedicating their >> because pe people are dedicating their >> because pe people are dedicating their lives to like destroying AI and like lives to like destroying AI and like lives to like destroying AI and like there is there is [laughter] there is there is [laughter] there is there is [laughter] demonstrable utility to it and I have demonstrable utility to it and I have demonstrable utility to it and I have found it to be very useful. But at what found it to be very useful. But at what found it to be very useful. But at what point do you stop and say, "Yeah, did point do you stop and say, "Yeah, did point do you stop and say, "Yeah, did the world need this?" the world need this?" the world need this?" >> But how can you stop like this thing? Do >> But how can you stop like this thing? Do >> But how can you stop like this thing? Do you make it illegal to use AI to create you make it illegal to use AI to create you make it illegal to use AI to create Doom levels that are fun that people Doom levels that are fun that people Doom levels that are fun that people find fun to play? find fun to play? find fun to play? >> I think we just make it illegal for you >> I think we just make it illegal for you >> I think we just make it illegal for you to make Doom level. to make Doom level. to make Doom level. >> Okay. [laughter] >> Okay. [laughter] >> Okay. [laughter] [gasps] [gasps] [gasps] No, that Star Wars one, that's pretty No, that Star Wars one, that's pretty No, that Star Wars one, that's pretty sweet. Like I I don't hate that. I don't sweet. Like I I don't hate that. I don't sweet. Like I I don't hate that. I don't hate that.

hate that. hate that. I just I want to play Battlefield again. I just I want to play Battlefield again. I just I want to play Battlefield again. >> You play You play Star Wars Battlefield, >> You play You play Star Wars Battlefield, >> You play You play Star Wars Battlefield, right? Yeah, Battlefront. right? Yeah, Battlefront. right? Yeah, Battlefront. >> Battlefront >> Battlefront >> Battlefront >> so good. Even now it stands up. >> so good. Even now it stands up. >> so good. Even now it stands up. >> Well, Battlefront you're talking about >> Well, Battlefront you're talking about >> Well, Battlefront you're talking about >> Battlefront rather, pardon me. I I'm >> Battlefront rather, pardon me. I I'm >> Battlefront rather, pardon me. I I'm getting Battlefield, which is another getting Battlefield, which is another getting Battlefield, which is another game that you play. game that you play. game that you play. >> Yeah, but Battlefront 2 is like still >> Yeah, but Battlefront 2 is like still >> Yeah, but Battlefront 2 is like still peak. peak. peak. >> It was great. Yeah. [music] >> It was great. Yeah. [music] >> It was great. Yeah. [music] >> All right. Well, we're 41 minutes into a >> All right. Well, we're 41 minutes into a >> All right. Well, we're 41 minutes into a show. We'll Well, producer Rob might show. We'll Well, producer Rob might show. We'll Well, producer Rob might want to decide to make this two shows. want to decide to make this two shows. want to decide to make this two shows. >> I think look, I think someone clicked in >> I think look, I think someone clicked in >> I think look, I think someone clicked in [music] the chat. They said you should [music] the chat. They said you should [music] the chat. They said you should wrap this up. And he said it like 20 wrap this up. And he said it like 20 wrap this up. And he said it like 20 minutes ago. minutes ago. minutes ago. Oh, here we go. He says, "Wrap this up Oh, here we go. He says, "Wrap this up Oh, here we go. He says, "Wrap this up and do a gaming episode." That is a and do a gaming episode." That is a and do a gaming episode." That is a great idea, producer Rob. Let's do that. great idea, producer Rob. Let's do that. great idea, producer Rob. Let's do that. All right, friends. God help you if you All right, friends. God help you if you All right, friends. God help you if you made it this far into the show. You are made it this far into the show. You are made it this far into the show. You are better than your peers. We appreciate better than your peers. We appreciate better than your peers. We appreciate your comments. They drive us [music] your comments. They drive us [music] your comments. They drive us [music] forward. Uh so, please leave a comment, forward. Uh so, please leave a comment, forward. Uh so, please leave a comment, like, and subscribe. Smash that bell, like, and subscribe. Smash that bell, like, and subscribe. Smash that bell, and see if you can get us on to Streamer and see if you can get us on to Streamer and see if you can get us on to Streamer University. See you again next week.