EPISODE 19 - How Do Executives at Microsoft Manage Their Stress?

One of the things that's we talked a One of the things that's we talked a little bit in the last episode about the little bit in the last episode about the little bit in the last episode about the TED talk stressing me out. Um, and as a TED talk stressing me out. Um, and as a TED talk stressing me out. Um, and as a general rule, I don't think I general rule, I don't think I general rule, I don't think I present stressed. I might present like present stressed. I might present like present stressed. I might present like type A or vibrating with enthusiasm or type A or vibrating with enthusiasm or type A or vibrating with enthusiasm or whatever, but and I do have a certain whatever, but and I do have a certain whatever, but and I do have a certain amount of freak out just before I do a amount of freak out just before I do a amount of freak out just before I do a talk. But you seem like pretty naturally talk. But you seem like pretty naturally talk. But you seem like pretty naturally chill. chill. chill. Are you pretty much a robot all the Are you pretty much a robot all the Are you pretty much a robot all the time? No. No, I definitely get stressed. time? No. No, I definitely get stressed. time? No. No, I definitely get stressed. Yeah. Yeah. I get stressed uh Yeah. Yeah. I get stressed uh Yeah. Yeah. I get stressed uh you know when I get stressed when I feel you know when I get stressed when I feel you know when I get stressed when I feel like I've lost control of when I've just like I've lost control of when I've just like I've lost control of when I've just and I'm not managing things. Let me say and I'm not managing things. Let me say and I'm not managing things. Let me say it's not control. It's about lack of it's not control. It's about lack of it's not control. It's about lack of managing things and things are flying managing things and things are flying managing things and things are flying off in different directions and I'm not off in different directions and I'm not off in different directions and I'm not sure where they're going to land or how sure where they're going to land or how sure where they're going to land or how they're going to land or if I'm going to they're going to land or if I'm going to they're going to land or if I'm going to land them on time. Mhm. Um I also get land them on time. Mhm. Um I also get land them on time. Mhm. Um I also get stressed when I can't proc don't have stressed when I can't proc don't have stressed when I can't proc don't have time to process what's happening. Mhm. time to process what's happening. Mhm. time to process what's happening. Mhm. And uh so I'm actually kind of related And uh so I'm actually kind of related And uh so I'm actually kind of related to to my levels of stress. I'm uh if you to to my levels of stress. I'm uh if you to to my levels of stress. I'm uh if you take a look at extroversion introversion take a look at extroversion introversion take a look at extroversion introversion spectrum where you know one end is like spectrum where you know one end is like spectrum where you know one end is like I need to be around people all the time.

I need to be around people all the time. I need to be around people all the time. If I'm by myself I'm right. Right. You If I'm by myself I'm right. Right. You If I'm by myself I'm right. Right. You know depressed like ENFJ you. Yeah. And know depressed like ENFJ you. Yeah. And know depressed like ENFJ you. Yeah. And then the other side which is I hate then the other side which is I hate then the other side which is I hate being around people right completely. being around people right completely. being around people right completely. I'm on the I'm an extroverted introvert. I'm on the I'm an extroverted introvert. I'm on the I'm an extroverted introvert. Dude, I am too. Yeah, because it's like Dude, I am too. Yeah, because it's like Dude, I am too. Yeah, because it's like you'll do a thing and then they'll want you'll do a thing and then they'll want you'll do a thing and then they'll want you to go to the afterparty and then you you to go to the afterparty and then you you to go to the afterparty and then you go for a while and then it's like I need go for a while and then it's like I need go for a while and then it's like I need to go. Yeah. Exactly. I am done. Yes. I look at people like Paul Rudd who's I look at people like Paul Rudd who's always nice and like no one's ever found always nice and like no one's ever found always nice and like no one's ever found a video of him being mean. He must be a video of him being mean. He must be a video of him being mean. He must be super stressed out when he goes home super stressed out when he goes home super stressed out when he goes home because it's like someone might push him because it's like someone might push him because it's like someone might push him or want an autograph or whatever. Like or want an autograph or whatever. Like or want an autograph or whatever. Like and it's like he has to be kind cuz and it's like he has to be kind cuz and it's like he has to be kind cuz that's his thing. that's his thing. that's his thing. Uh, god forbid I should meet somebody at Uh, god forbid I should meet somebody at Uh, god forbid I should meet somebody at Chipotle and be rude once. So, you're an Chipotle and be rude once. So, you're an Chipotle and be rude once. So, you're an extroverted introvert? Oh, 100%. 100%.

extroverted introvert? Oh, 100%. 100%. extroverted introvert? Oh, 100%. 100%. And I when the battery is I used to be And I when the battery is I used to be And I when the battery is I used to be like unlimited cuz I think it was just like unlimited cuz I think it was just like unlimited cuz I think it was just age like just youth kept me, but I age like just youth kept me, but I age like just youth kept me, but I didn't realize that it's like done. didn't realize that it's like done. didn't realize that it's like done. Yeah, I'm done. I mean, so you got you Yeah, I'm done. I mean, so you got you Yeah, I'm done. I mean, so you got you hit a wall as opposed to slow, you know? hit a wall as opposed to slow, you know? hit a wall as opposed to slow, you know? No, it's not a slow thing. It's just uh No, it's not a slow thing. It's just uh No, it's not a slow thing. It's just uh like at the MVP summit, I do a bunch of like at the MVP summit, I do a bunch of like at the MVP summit, I do a bunch of talks. I have a bunch of fun. We have talks. I have a bunch of fun. We have talks. I have a bunch of fun. We have friend and then it's like I start kind friend and then it's like I start kind friend and then it's like I start kind of going of going of going all right that happens pretty fast. all right that happens pretty fast. all right that happens pretty fast. Yeah. What did you for you or did you Yeah. What did you for you or did you Yeah. What did you for you or did you Yeah. For me it's pretty fast too. It's Yeah. For me it's pretty fast too. It's Yeah. For me it's pretty fast too. It's like I I just don't want to do this like I I just don't want to do this like I I just don't want to do this anymore. Yeah. I can't it is it is the anymore. Yeah. I can't it is it is the anymore. Yeah. I can't it is it is the whole social battery thing I didn't ever whole social battery thing I didn't ever whole social battery thing I didn't ever used to believe in but it is 100% a used to believe in but it is 100% a used to believe in but it is 100% a thing. I think when I'm in a good place thing. I think when I'm in a good place thing. I think when I'm in a good place too, right? They need the battery to too, right? They need the battery to too, right? They need the battery to charge. That's the way they charge it. charge. That's the way they charge it. charge. That's the way they charge it. And if they're by themselves it depletes And if they're by themselves it depletes And if they're by themselves it depletes 100%. Yeah. Yeah, but actually introvert 100%. Yeah. Yeah, but actually introvert 100%. Yeah. Yeah, but actually introvert extroverted introvert I think for me too extroverted introvert I think for me too extroverted introvert I think for me too if I'm by myself for too long without if I'm by myself for too long without if I'm by myself for too long without good social interaction and engagement I good social interaction and engagement I good social interaction and engagement I also start to get stressed. Okay. So how also start to get stressed. Okay. So how also start to get stressed. Okay. So how did you do during co so for me did you do during co so for me did you do during co so for me slightly before co when I was still slightly before co when I was still slightly before co when I was still working from home because I've been working from home because I've been working from home because I've been working from home the whole time I used working from home the whole time I used working from home the whole time I used to go to the mall and sit in the food to go to the mall and sit in the food to go to the mall and sit in the food court and use their Wi-Fi and do like court and use their Wi-Fi and do like court and use their Wi-Fi and do like team teams calls just to have electrical team teams calls just to have electrical team teams calls just to have electrical energy of humans walking by.

energy of humans walking by. energy of humans walking by. Okay. I didn't do that. Uh, no. You got Okay. I didn't do that. Uh, no. You got Okay. I didn't do that. Uh, no. You got a nice house, though. And that's not the a nice house, though. And that's not the a nice house, though. And that's not the kind of energy I need. It's not Yeah, kind of energy I need. It's not Yeah, kind of energy I need. It's not Yeah, true. You've got a nice house, too. Look true. You've got a nice house, too. Look true. You've got a nice house, too. Look at your room. Look at that room. It's at your room. Look at that room. It's at your room. Look at that room. It's just LEDs. I've talked about this. It's just LEDs. I've talked about this. It's just LEDs. I've talked about this. It's a spare bedroom with LEDs. a spare bedroom with LEDs. a spare bedroom with LEDs. Uh, Uh, Uh, but no, my what I'm talking about is but no, my what I'm talking about is but no, my what I'm talking about is like even the team's meetings with like even the team's meetings with like even the team's meetings with people at work is recharges me. people at work is recharges me. people at work is recharges me. Like especially the one-on- ones do. Oh Like especially the one-on- ones do. Oh Like especially the one-on- ones do. Oh yeah. Yeah, that's cool. Um the team yeah. Yeah, that's cool. Um the team yeah. Yeah, that's cool. Um the team meetings where people are presenting to meetings where people are presenting to meetings where people are presenting to me not not as much. Yeah. But one-on- me not not as much. Yeah. But one-on- me not not as much. Yeah. But one-on- ones. Do you have a collection of work ones. Do you have a collection of work ones. Do you have a collection of work besties? besties? besties? Cuz I have like three or four and it's Cuz I have like three or four and it's Cuz I have like three or four and it's just like Yeah. So then somehow I ended just like Yeah. So then somehow I ended just like Yeah. So then somehow I ended up on the Instagram which is like filled up on the Instagram which is like filled up on the Instagram which is like filled with memes about like your work wife or with memes about like your work wife or with memes about like your work wife or your work besties and it's just like you your work besties and it's just like you your work besties and it's just like you have that person. It's like do you know have that person. It's like do you know have that person. It's like do you know what happened in this Yeah. I mean work what happened in this Yeah. I mean work what happened in this Yeah. I mean work is a lot about networking, right? The is a lot about networking, right? The is a lot about networking, right? The networks you create of and it's the networks you create of and it's the networks you create of and it's the trust that you build. We talked about trust that you build. We talked about trust that you build. We talked about this before in the reputate thing. I this before in the reputate thing. I this before in the reputate thing. I think tr the trust the network of think tr the trust the network of think tr the trust the network of people. Yeah. Uh you've got to have I people. Yeah. Uh you've got to have I people. Yeah. Uh you've got to have I mean just like um not being afraid to mean just like um not being afraid to mean just like um not being afraid to show yourself, you know, with your show yourself, you know, with your show yourself, you know, with your partner, for example, you know, your partner, for example, you know, your partner, for example, you know, your your warts. You need somebody you need your warts. You need somebody you need your warts. You need somebody you need people at work where you're going to be people at work where you're going to be people at work where you're going to be like I'm gonna say something and it's like I'm gonna say something and it's like I'm gonna say something and it's probably really stupid but uh but I probably really stupid but uh but I probably really stupid but uh but I trust you pe that that's a great point trust you pe that that's a great point trust you pe that that's a great point because trying I want the young people

because trying I want the young people because trying I want the young people the early in career people the new the early in career people the new the early in career people the new people the ones who came up maybe doing people the ones who came up maybe doing people the ones who came up maybe doing a postcoid time where they don't a postcoid time where they don't a postcoid time where they don't necessarily have that they're 5 years necessarily have that they're 5 years necessarily have that they're 5 years into their career and it's a different into their career and it's a different into their career and it's a different time than when we used to be able to be time than when we used to be able to be time than when we used to be able to be in the office and and vibing to have in the office and and vibing to have in the office and and vibing to have those kind of relationships because you those kind of relationships because you those kind of relationships because you got to have somebody at work who's not got to have somebody at work who's not got to have somebody at work who's not going to burn you. Yeah. who's your going to burn you. Yeah. who's your going to burn you. Yeah. who's your friend, who you can and like I always friend, who you can and like I always friend, who you can and like I always believe in teams meetings, zoom believe in teams meetings, zoom believe in teams meetings, zoom meetings, whatever, having a back meetings, whatever, having a back meetings, whatever, having a back channel. Yeah, for sure. In a big channel. Yeah, for sure. In a big channel. Yeah, for sure. In a big meeting is so important. And if you meeting is so important. And if you meeting is so important. And if you can't trust those people, then that's uh can't trust those people, then that's uh can't trust those people, then that's uh you're going to feel very alone and you're going to feel very alone and you're going to feel very alone and that's that's not cool. So anyway, that's that's not cool. So anyway, that's that's not cool. So anyway, stress. Oh, yeah. Sorry. So you tell stress. Oh, yeah. Sorry. So you tell stress. Oh, yeah. Sorry. So you tell tell us about your stress for your TEDex tell us about your stress for your TEDex tell us about your stress for your TEDex talk. The it was a it was a way I asked talk. The it was a it was a way I asked talk. The it was a it was a way I asked you another question. That was very you another question. That was very you another question. That was very good. Thank you for doing that. We're good. Thank you for doing that. We're good. Thank you for doing that. We're find we're finding balance in our find we're finding balance in our find we're finding balance in our relationship. It was um they wanted it relationship. It was um they wanted it relationship. It was um they wanted it done a certain way. I was like, "Oh, done a certain way. I was like, "Oh, done a certain way. I was like, "Oh, I'll do a talk. This is great." But they I'll do a talk. This is great." But they I'll do a talk. This is great." But they have a style like Ted has a style. They have a style like Ted has a style. They have a style like Ted has a style. They assign you a speaker coach. I won the assign you a speaker coach. I won the assign you a speaker coach. I won the speaker coach lottery. This lady Kathy speaker coach lottery. This lady Kathy speaker coach lottery. This lady Kathy is like uh had wrote a book called How is like uh had wrote a book called How is like uh had wrote a book called How to Give a Great TED Talk. She's super to Give a Great TED Talk. She's super to Give a Great TED Talk. She's super chill. We met in person. But then they chill. We met in person. But then they chill. We met in person. But then they wanted me to practice.

wanted me to practice. wanted me to practice. Yeah. And I Well, that's one thing we Yeah. And I Well, that's one thing we Yeah. And I Well, that's one thing we talked about for talks. We don't talked about for talks. We don't talked about for talks. We don't practice our talks. Not anymore. if we practice our talks. Not anymore. if we practice our talks. Not anymore. if we know our stuff, you know, this was not a know our stuff, you know, this was not a know our stuff, you know, this was not a talk like you do at Build. This was a talk like you do at Build. This was a talk like you do at Build. This was a thing like you do like if you've ever thing like you do like if you've ever thing like you do like if you've ever heard of The Moth, which is an NPR, you heard of The Moth, which is an NPR, you heard of The Moth, which is an NPR, you know, storytelling show, or This know, storytelling show, or This know, storytelling show, or This American Life, like those are scripted, American Life, like those are scripted, American Life, like those are scripted, planned things. So, this was a I had to planned things. So, this was a I had to planned things. So, this was a I had to write up a seven-page script, memorize write up a seven-page script, memorize write up a seven-page script, memorize it. No teleprompter. Oh, there was no it. No teleprompter. Oh, there was no it. No teleprompter. Oh, there was no teleprompter. No teleprompter because teleprompter. No teleprompter because teleprompter. No teleprompter because they don't want you to look like you're they don't want you to look like you're they don't want you to look like you're reading. Wow. So, you look and you can reading. Wow. So, you look and you can reading. Wow. So, you look and you can see your current slide and your next see your current slide and your next see your current slide and your next slide. So, when's the last time you ever slide. So, when's the last time you ever slide. So, when's the last time you ever memorized something? High school drama. memorized something? High school drama. memorized something? High school drama. Yeah, same. Probably same for me. Like Yeah, same. Probably same for me. Like Yeah, same. Probably same for me. Like literally. So, was that how hard was it literally. So, was that how hard was it literally. So, was that how hard was it to memorize the whole thing? It was to memorize the whole thing? It was to memorize the whole thing? It was brutally difficult. And the part that brutally difficult. And the part that brutally difficult. And the part that was so interesting was that I And when was so interesting was that I And when was so interesting was that I And when you say memorize, it wasn't even like, you say memorize, it wasn't even like, you say memorize, it wasn't even like, you know, at this bullet, you know, say you know, at this bullet, you know, say you know, at this bullet, you know, say this. I show you. It's like I've got a this. I show you. It's like I've got a this. I show you. It's like I've got a seven page and you had to say those seven page and you had to say those seven page and you had to say those words. Well, so that's the part that's words. Well, so that's the part that's words. Well, so that's the part that's interesting. So, it's like paragraph interesting. So, it's like paragraph interesting. So, it's like paragraph slide, paragraph, slide, paragraph, slide, paragraph, slide, paragraph, slide, paragraph, slide, paragraph, slide. And so I got the tempo. I gave slide. And so I got the tempo. I gave slide. And so I got the tempo. I gave the talk 54 different times. Uh Kathy, the talk 54 different times. Uh Kathy, the talk 54 different times. Uh Kathy, my speaker coach had that's 54 a precise my speaker coach had that's 54 a precise my speaker coach had that's 54 a precise number, not just a round. That's a number, not just a round. That's a number, not just a round. That's a precise number. I can show you in the um precise number. I can show you in the um precise number. I can show you in the um in the voice notes app. Yeah. Yeah. So in the voice notes app. Yeah. Yeah. So in the voice notes app. Yeah. Yeah. So she Kathy's process is you record it and she Kathy's process is you record it and she Kathy's process is you record it and then you listen back to it and then you then you listen back to it and then you then you listen back to it and then you make a refinement and you keep doing it make a refinement and you keep doing it make a refinement and you keep doing it until it's in your mouth and then once until it's in your mouth and then once until it's in your mouth and then once your muscles of your mouth have formed your muscles of your mouth have formed your muscles of your mouth have formed themselves around your talk then she themselves around your talk then she themselves around your talk then she says at the end you rip up the slides

says at the end you rip up the slides says at the end you rip up the slides you rip up the and then you give the you rip up the and then you give the you rip up the and then you give the talk. talk. talk. So I would say it was 80% what I wrote So I would say it was 80% what I wrote So I would say it was 80% what I wrote and then 20% was just like So here's the and then 20% was just like So here's the and then 20% was just like So here's the question I got for you on that because question I got for you on that because question I got for you on that because we could do that for our build talks. we could do that for our build talks. we could do that for our build talks. And the question I've got is we do And the question I've got is we do And the question I've got is we do prepare quite a bit for yeah at least 15 prepare quite a bit for yeah at least 15 prepare quite a bit for yeah at least 15 minutes before. Fair. Um minutes before. Fair. Um minutes before. Fair. Um no we do prepare. We do prepare but but no we do prepare. We do prepare but but no we do prepare. We do prepare but but what I'm saying is we don't me for our what I'm saying is we don't me for our what I'm saying is we don't me for our talks the words and I've never done talks the words and I've never done talks the words and I've never done this. I've never memorized a talk. this. I've never memorized a talk. this. I've never memorized a talk. Totally agree. Yeah. Yeah. And uh Totally agree. Yeah. Yeah. And uh Totally agree. Yeah. Yeah. And uh question is is there value in memorizing question is is there value in memorizing question is is there value in memorizing versus the way that we do our talks versus the way that we do our talks versus the way that we do our talks which is I know the content. I know the which is I know the content. I know the which is I know the content. I know the point I'm going to make here. Okay. And point I'm going to make here. Okay. And point I'm going to make here. Okay. And I'm going to ad lib a little bit. I'm I'm going to ad lib a little bit. I'm I'm going to ad lib a little bit. I'm going to just let the energy come out going to just let the energy come out going to just let the energy come out and deliver it. There are and deliver it. There are and deliver it. There are this was closer to standup comedy than this was closer to standup comedy than this was closer to standup comedy than it was to a technical build talk. it was to a technical build talk. it was to a technical build talk. technical build talk. You hit beats technical build talk. You hit beats technical build talk. You hit beats and you have points you're trying to and you have points you're trying to and you have points you're trying to make and you dot dot dot and then you make and you dot dot dot and then you make and you dot dot dot and then you can go a bc but you're really going can go a bc but you're really going can go a bc but you're really going point B point C and as long as you hit point B point C and as long as you hit point B point C and as long as you hit the beats you're good. Yeah. This is the beats you're good. Yeah. This is the beats you're good. Yeah. This is more like standup where you when you do more like standup where you when you do more like standup where you when you do stand up and I did stand up for a time.

stand up and I did stand up for a time. stand up and I did stand up for a time. You do small rooms, small bars. You do You do small rooms, small bars. You do You do small rooms, small bars. You do um open mics to 12 people at 11:30 on a um open mics to 12 people at 11:30 on a um open mics to 12 people at 11:30 on a Tuesday and then you test out what's a Tuesday and then you test out what's a Tuesday and then you test out what's a funnier word or what's the right beat funnier word or what's the right beat funnier word or what's the right beat and then once you find that you go to a and then once you find that you go to a and then once you find that you go to a bigger room and then a bigger room and bigger room and then a bigger room and bigger room and then a bigger room and then you do colleges and then you go and then you do colleges and then you go and then you do colleges and then you go and you do the talk. So if you go and see you do the talk. So if you go and see you do the talk. So if you go and see like a pro like Bill Burr or Dave like a pro like Bill Burr or Dave like a pro like Bill Burr or Dave Chappelle or somebody and you see their Chappelle or somebody and you see their Chappelle or somebody and you see their classic joke, classic joke, classic joke, that joke has been honed. Every word that joke has been honed. Every word that joke has been honed. Every word matters. Now, they'll play and they'll matters. Now, they'll play and they'll matters. Now, they'll play and they'll do crowd work, but they've got funny do crowd work, but they've got funny do crowd work, but they've got funny sentences that have been designed. And sentences that have been designed. And sentences that have been designed. And there's a really cool podcast with Mike there's a really cool podcast with Mike there's a really cool podcast with Mike Burbiglia called Working It Out where Burbiglia called Working It Out where Burbiglia called Working It Out where it's him and another comedian working it's him and another comedian working it's him and another comedian working out their material and they talk about out their material and they talk about out their material and they talk about like I don't know why that word's like I don't know why that word's like I don't know why that word's funnier, but it's just funnier than this funnier, but it's just funnier than this funnier, but it's just funnier than this other word. So, it's almost like the the other word. So, it's almost like the the other word. So, it's almost like the the it's a poem. it's a poem. it's a poem. So with this this TED talk, there was So with this this TED talk, there was So with this this TED talk, there was the larger narrative, there was the the larger narrative, there was the the larger narrative, there was the point I was trying to make, but then point I was trying to make, but then point I was trying to make, but then there were four or five lines that hit there were four or five lines that hit there were four or five lines that hit and when we did it 54 times in front of and when we did it 54 times in front of and when we did it 54 times in front of different audiences and I did it different audiences and I did it different audiences and I did it internally at Microsoft twice as a internally at Microsoft twice as a internally at Microsoft twice as a practice. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah.

practice. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. practice. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. For like times. So you did it 54 times For like times. So you did it 54 times For like times. So you did it 54 times how many times in front of an audience? how many times in front of an audience? how many times in front of an audience? Six. Uhhuh. And you honed it based on Six. Uhhuh. And you honed it based on Six. Uhhuh. And you honed it based on their reactions. cuz I honed it based on their reactions. cuz I honed it based on their reactions. cuz I honed it based on their reactions and I asked them their reactions and I asked them their reactions and I asked them explicitly like what lines hit and then explicitly like what lines hit and then explicitly like what lines hit and then I it was cuz the talk is like 12 to 15 I it was cuz the talk is like 12 to 15 I it was cuz the talk is like 12 to 15 minutes long. So I wanted to have six minutes long. So I wanted to have six minutes long. So I wanted to have six hits that were going to like stick with hits that were going to like stick with hits that were going to like stick with people and then when I went out to the people and then when I went out to the people and then when I went out to the food carts afterwards and we're walking food carts afterwards and we're walking food carts afterwards and we're walking around people like oh man when you said around people like oh man when you said around people like oh man when you said that really hit. So that's like saying that really hit. So that's like saying that really hit. So that's like saying oh man that classic joke by so and so I oh man that classic joke by so and so I oh man that classic joke by so and so I love that joke. And then you do it back. love that joke. And then you do it back. love that joke. And then you do it back. You can say that joke back. Every word You can say that joke back. Every word You can say that joke back. Every word matters for those beats. And then the matters for those beats. And then the matters for those beats. And then the middle part was made up. H. Does that middle part was made up. H. Does that middle part was made up. H. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. Um, would you make sense? Yeah, it does. Um, would you make sense? Yeah, it does. Um, would you closer to stand up than it was to Would closer to stand up than it was to Would closer to stand up than it was to Would you use that technique for training and you use that technique for training and you use that technique for training and memorizing and refining for any other memorizing and refining for any other memorizing and refining for any other type talk you give? Like where where type talk you give? Like where where type talk you give? Like where where other places is that applicable besides other places is that applicable besides other places is that applicable besides a TED talk? I would say it is a TED talk? I would say it is a TED talk? I would say it is that that that this was really close to like getting a this was really close to like getting a this was really close to like getting a guest star on Law and Order. You you guest star on Law and Order. You you guest star on Law and Order. You you were given pages and I memorized the were given pages and I memorized the were given pages and I memorized the pages and then I ripped it up at the end pages and then I ripped it up at the end pages and then I ripped it up at the end and I know it so well. It's it's like a and I know it so well. It's it's like a and I know it so well. It's it's like a like I think we talked about martial like I think we talked about martial like I think we talked about martial arts. If you do a kata or a hyong, you arts. If you do a kata or a hyong, you arts. If you do a kata or a hyong, you just keep doing it over and over and just keep doing it over and over and just keep doing it over and over and over until it's in your mo muscles and over until it's in your mo muscles and over until it's in your mo muscles and then you can vibe a little bit. But as a then you can vibe a little bit. But as a then you can vibe a little bit. But as a general rule, you hit all of the beats.

general rule, you hit all of the beats. general rule, you hit all of the beats. Um, it was very exhausting though. Um, I Um, it was very exhausting though. Um, I Um, it was very exhausting though. Um, I saw a thing by Pedro Pascal. You didn't saw a thing by Pedro Pascal. You didn't saw a thing by Pedro Pascal. You didn't answer my question. Oh, I'm sorry. Which answer my question. Oh, I'm sorry. Which answer my question. Oh, I'm sorry. Which was, where else is this applicable? I was, where else is this applicable? I was, where else is this applicable? I don't think it's applicable anymore don't think it's applicable anymore don't think it's applicable anymore because I don't do standup anymore and I because I don't do standup anymore and I because I don't do standup anymore and I don't do uh acting. But for anybody don't do uh acting. But for anybody don't do uh acting. But for anybody listening, where unless they're asked to listening, where unless they're asked to listening, where unless they're asked to do a TED talk, is this applicable do a TED talk, is this applicable do a TED talk, is this applicable anywhere? anywhere? anywhere? a wedding speech maybe or um a a wedding speech maybe or um a a wedding speech maybe or um a presentation to you know your boss's presentation to you know your boss's presentation to you know your boss's boss something like that like it it is boss something like that like it it is boss something like that like it it is what was cool about it is that now I what was cool about it is that now I what was cool about it is that now I know I can do that it was an enormous know I can do that it was an enormous know I can do that it was an enormous amount of stress and I thought I was amount of stress and I thought I was amount of stress and I thought I was going to freak out or and I had also going to freak out or and I had also going to freak out or and I had also blood sugar to manage so I had to make blood sugar to manage so I had to make blood sugar to manage so I had to make sure my blood sugar was good going into sure my blood sugar was good going into sure my blood sugar was good going into the talk like it was it was a landing it the talk like it was it was a landing it the talk like it was it was a landing it was a dramatic landing of a plane at was a dramatic landing of a plane at was a dramatic landing of a plane at night in the fog instruments only and night in the fog instruments only and night in the fog instruments only and And I did it and afterwards it was just And I did it and afterwards it was just And I did it and afterwards it was just like, oh, so it's like running a like, oh, so it's like running a like, oh, so it's like running a marathon once in your life or something. marathon once in your life or something. marathon once in your life or something. Exactly. I can do that now. I know I can Exactly. I can do that now. I know I can Exactly. I can do that now. I know I can do that. So now I have this thing I can do that. So now I have this thing I can do that. So now I have this thing I can do if I need to. I don't necessarily do if I need to. I don't necessarily do if I need to. I don't necessarily want to go and do it again. But you want to go and do it again. But you want to go and do it again. But you know, like Yan is saying in the chat know, like Yan is saying in the chat know, like Yan is saying in the chat here that the difference between this here that the difference between this here that the difference between this talk and a build talk is the density of talk and a build talk is the density of talk and a build talk is the density of information, right? So the talk was 12 information, right? So the talk was 12 information, right? So the talk was 12 minutes minutes minutes maximum. Now, they give you a buffer in maximum. Now, they give you a buffer in maximum. Now, they give you a buffer in case you yap, but when you have 12 case you yap, but when you have 12 case you yap, but when you have 12 minutes, every Yeah. Every matter minutes, every Yeah. Every matter minutes, every Yeah. Every matter matters when you have when you have 60 matters when you have when you have 60 matters when you have when you have 60 minutes and and Visual Studio Code.

minutes and and Visual Studio Code. minutes and and Visual Studio Code. Yeah. It's not as dense. That would be Yeah. It's not as dense. That would be Yeah. It's not as dense. That would be overwhelming to do an hour with that overwhelming to do an hour with that overwhelming to do an hour with that level of density. Huh. Yeah. Um, so you level of density. Huh. Yeah. Um, so you level of density. Huh. Yeah. Um, so you How did you manage the stress? How did you manage the stress? How did you manage the stress? I walked I walked a lot. I slept an I walked I walked a lot. I slept an I walked I walked a lot. I slept an enormous amount. She So Kathy, my Kathy enormous amount. She So Kathy, my Kathy enormous amount. She So Kathy, my Kathy Armillis, my uh speaker speaker coach, Armillis, my uh speaker speaker coach, Armillis, my uh speaker speaker coach, had me muttering the talk to myself as I had me muttering the talk to myself as I had me muttering the talk to myself as I went to sleep because she wanted me to went to sleep because she wanted me to went to sleep because she wanted me to start muttering it and then dream. So start muttering it and then dream. So start muttering it and then dream. So she was doing space repetition. She was she was doing space repetition. She was she was doing space repetition. She was doing space repetition of like short, doing space repetition of like short, doing space repetition of like short, medium, and long to bake it into the medium, and long to bake it into the medium, and long to bake it into the brain. So I would mutter it to myself brain. So I would mutter it to myself brain. So I would mutter it to myself and then fall asleep and then I would and then fall asleep and then I would and then fall asleep and then I would wake up and I would remember more than I wake up and I would remember more than I wake up and I would remember more than I did the night before. did the night before. did the night before. Wow. The whole system. It's a it's a Wow. The whole system. It's a it's a Wow. The whole system. It's a it's a whole thing. It's a science. And what's whole thing. It's a science. And what's whole thing. It's a science. And what's crazy is it's only 12 minutes. And I crazy is it's only 12 minutes. And I crazy is it's only 12 minutes. And I talked to my buddy uh Chris Connors talked to my buddy uh Chris Connors talked to my buddy uh Chris Connors who's an actor and uh he uh he's like, who's an actor and uh he uh he's like, who's an actor and uh he uh he's like, "Yeah, you just get the pages and you "Yeah, you just get the pages and you "Yeah, you just get the pages and you just absorb them and you make make them just absorb them and you make make them just absorb them and you make make them part of you until until then you do the part of you until until then you do the part of you until until then you do the thing." So yeah, it's um not at all what thing." So yeah, it's um not at all what thing." So yeah, it's um not at all what I thought it would be. I thought it'd be I thought it would be. I thought it'd be I thought it would be. I thought it'd be you'll be a natural. Not I thought they you'll be a natural. Not I thought they you'll be a natural. Not I thought they I was going to go up and vibe like going I was going to go up and vibe like going I was going to go up and vibe like going up and vibing a 12-minute talk. You're up and vibing a 12-minute talk. You're up and vibing a 12-minute talk. You're the best vibing TED talk speaker ever.

the best vibing TED talk speaker ever. the best vibing TED talk speaker ever. would have been it would have been a would have been it would have been a would have been it would have been a nightmare. Yeah. But yeah, so no no nightmare. Yeah. But yeah, so no no nightmare. Yeah. But yeah, so no no teleprompter. Actually, there there's a teleprompter. Actually, there there's a teleprompter. Actually, there there's a question for you. By the way, I've been question for you. By the way, I've been question for you. By the way, I've been asking you tons of questions. I hope you asking you tons of questions. I hope you asking you tons of questions. I hope you I love it. This is We should do this I love it. This is We should do this I love it. This is We should do this more. Yeah. more. Yeah. more. Yeah. Um Um Um how different would the talk have been how different would the talk have been how different would the talk have been if you'd just done the here are the if you'd just done the here are the if you'd just done the here are the points I'm going to make. You've got 15 points I'm going to make. You've got 15 points I'm going to make. You've got 15 minutes. Go. Oh, it would have been a minutes. Go. Oh, it would have been a minutes. Go. Oh, it would have been a rambly mess. It would have had no rambly mess. It would have had no rambly mess. It would have had no emotional core. It would have been the emotional core. It would have been the emotional core. It would have been the slides would have been sloppy like I slides would have been sloppy like I slides would have been sloppy like I don't think you could have delivered don't think you could have delivered don't think you could have delivered that talk like if it for build if you that talk like if it for build if you that talk like if it for build if you had to like here Scott give that talk had to like here Scott give that talk had to like here Scott give that talk it's for build you got 15 minutes and so it's for build you got 15 minutes and so it's for build you got 15 minutes and so you're doing your normal prep for it how you're doing your normal prep for it how you're doing your normal prep for it how different that talk I think it would different that talk I think it would different that talk I think it would have been 70% of the of the same talk it have been 70% of the of the same talk it have been 70% of the of the same talk it would have been fine it would have been would have been fine it would have been would have been fine it would have been like Scott that talk was amazing yes I like Scott that talk was amazing yes I like Scott that talk was amazing yes I think the difference is I have been think the difference is I have been think the difference is I have been doing this long enough that I'm doing this long enough that I'm doing this long enough that I'm confident that I can put together a confident that I can put together a confident that I can put together a perfectly good B+ talk, B minus talk.

perfectly good B+ talk, B minus talk. perfectly good B+ talk, B minus talk. Mhm. In a couple of weeks with minimal Mhm. In a couple of weeks with minimal Mhm. In a couple of weeks with minimal effort. This was the difference between effort. This was the difference between effort. This was the difference between a bronze medal and a gold medal. a bronze medal and a gold medal. a bronze medal and a gold medal. Okay. Does that make sense? I don't know Okay. Does that make sense? I don't know Okay. Does that make sense? I don't know if Yeah, it does. It does. So, you're if Yeah, it does. It does. So, you're if Yeah, it does. It does. So, you're saying that we're going we're going to saying that we're going we're going to saying that we're going we're going to go for the bronze in our build talk. go for the bronze in our build talk. go for the bronze in our build talk. Fully going for the bronze or maybe just Fully going for the bronze or maybe just Fully going for the bronze or maybe just a national championship and a failure to a national championship and a failure to a national championship and a failure to qualify. qualify. qualify. We should we go for a gold? We should we go for a gold? We should we go for a gold? We we we prepare. I mean, we're joking We we we prepare. I mean, we're joking We we we prepare. I mean, we're joking here, but like when we remember when we here, but like when we remember when we here, but like when we remember when we did the uh the asteroids thing. Yeah. did the uh the asteroids thing. Yeah. did the uh the asteroids thing. Yeah. And and we had like a word document open And and we had like a word document open And and we had like a word document open and Yannan was in the back like don't and Yannan was in the back like don't and Yannan was in the back like don't forget to push this and I forgot to push forget to push this and I forgot to push forget to push this and I forgot to push something. Like there's there is a huge something. Like there's there is a huge something. Like there's there is a huge amount of prep. There was a huge like amount of prep. There was a huge like amount of prep. There was a huge like script for that too. The difference is script for that too. The difference is script for that too. The difference is no again no uh teleprompter. It was no again no uh teleprompter. It was no again no uh teleprompter. It was shocking. Every single person that I've shocking. Every single person that I've shocking. Every single person that I've said there's no teleprompter at TED was said there's no teleprompter at TED was said there's no teleprompter at TED was like what? like what? like what? Yeah. Nobody gets a teleprompter. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody gets a teleprompter. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody gets a teleprompter. Yeah. You as a confidence monitor with the You as a confidence monitor with the You as a confidence monitor with the next slide is what you by the way. Um I next slide is what you by the way. Um I next slide is what you by the way. Um I could see sometimes they would show the could see sometimes they would show the could see sometimes they would show the audience view from behind you. Oh yeah.

audience view from behind you. Oh yeah. audience view from behind you. Oh yeah. And there's a clock countdown clock. It And there's a clock countdown clock. It And there's a clock countdown clock. It actually went negative like by 3 minutes actually went negative like by 3 minutes actually went negative like by 3 minutes it looked like to me. it looked like to me. it looked like to me. Really? Did I go over? It looked like Really? Did I go over? It looked like Really? Did I go over? It looked like it. Oh crap. I got to watch that. I it. Oh crap. I got to watch that. I it. Oh crap. I got to watch that. I can't. So, I tried to watch the talk and can't. So, I tried to watch the talk and can't. So, I tried to watch the talk and I couldn't. So, then I watched it with a I couldn't. So, then I watched it with a I couldn't. So, then I watched it with a sound off, sound off, sound off, but I haven't actually watched it since but I haven't actually watched it since but I haven't actually watched it since because it makes me uncomfortable. Yeah. because it makes me uncomfortable. Yeah. because it makes me uncomfortable. Yeah. Let me know because it looked like you Let me know because it looked like you Let me know because it looked like you went over. Yeah. I was like, how are went over. Yeah. I was like, how are went over. Yeah. I was like, how are they letting him go over like that? they letting him go over like that? they letting him go over like that? They give you 12 minutes and then They give you 12 minutes and then They give you 12 minutes and then there's a 15-minute slot there's a 15-minute slot there's a 15-minute slot uh for buffer and then so everyone and uh for buffer and then so everyone and uh for buffer and then so everyone and then they have an hourong lunch or then they have an hourong lunch or then they have an hourong lunch or 2-hour long lunch and it turns out we 2-hour long lunch and it turns out we 2-hour long lunch and it turns out we enough people went over that they ate enough people went over that they ate enough people went over that they ate into the lunch by half an hour but they into the lunch by half an hour but they into the lunch by half an hour but they do that so they can start again on so do that so they can start again on so do that so they can start again on so they don't they're not really strict. they don't they're not really strict. they don't they're not really strict. It's not like they're flashing and It's not like they're flashing and It's not like they're flashing and yelling them and you're like no their yelling them and you're like no their yelling them and you're like no their hands and red flashing lights and three hands and red flashing lights and three hands and red flashing lights and three three minutes 3 minutes buffer is not a three minutes 3 minutes buffer is not a three minutes 3 minutes buffer is not a lot of buffer. Yeah. Well, it looks I it lot of buffer. Yeah. Well, it looks I it lot of buffer. Yeah. Well, it looks I it looked to me like you ate the whole looked to me like you ate the whole looked to me like you ate the whole three minutes based on Well, thank you three minutes based on Well, thank you three minutes based on Well, thank you for for ruining it for me. Just for for ruining it for me. Just for for ruining it for me. Just you didn't practice enough. Um I think you didn't practice enough. Um I think you didn't practice enough. Um I think Oh, that's why this is a great point.

Oh, that's why this is a great point. Oh, that's why this is a great point. So, when I did it, I was regularly 2 So, when I did it, I was regularly 2 So, when I did it, I was regularly 2 minutes 30, 12 minutes 30 rather. 12 minutes 30, 12 minutes 30 rather. 12 minutes 30, 12 minutes 30 rather. 12 minutes 30, 12 minutes 30, 12:05, 12:25 minutes 30, 12 minutes 30, 12:05, 12:25 minutes 30, 12 minutes 30, 12:05, 12:25 consistently, but totally did the consistently, but totally did the consistently, but totally did the obvious beginner move, which is forgot obvious beginner move, which is forgot obvious beginner move, which is forgot that people will clap. Uh, so it that people will clap. Uh, so it that people will clap. Uh, so it probably was still 12 minutes 30. So probably was still 12 minutes 30. So probably was still 12 minutes 30. So people loved it so much. That's the people loved it so much. That's the people loved it so much. That's the I'm just saying like a little pause or a I'm just saying like a little pause or a I'm just saying like a little pause or a chuckle or clap and then a little bit of chuckle or clap and then a little bit of chuckle or clap and then a little bit of gravy toss. The next thing you know, gravy toss. The next thing you know, gravy toss. The next thing you know, you've added 2 minutes of uh chuckles. you've added 2 minutes of uh chuckles. you've added 2 minutes of uh chuckles. Yeah. Yeah. It was good though. I just Yeah. Yeah. It was good though. I just Yeah. Yeah. It was good though. I just It's done. Uh I want it done. I want It's done. Uh I want it done. I want It's done. Uh I want it done. I want them to chop it up and put it on them to chop it up and put it on them to chop it up and put it on YouTube. I guess the one you saw was a YouTube. I guess the one you saw was a YouTube. I guess the one you saw was a live stream. Mhm. They put on the local live stream. Mhm. They put on the local live stream. Mhm. They put on the local news. But uh news. But uh news. But uh yeah. Um, yeah. Um, yeah. Um, oh, and when I got on stage afterwards, oh, and when I got on stage afterwards, oh, and when I got on stage afterwards, my Apple Watch says, "Uh, do you want to my Apple Watch says, "Uh, do you want to my Apple Watch says, "Uh, do you want to track this workout?" Yeah, actually, I track this workout?" Yeah, actually, I track this workout?" Yeah, actually, I noticed that I get zone minutes for my noticed that I get zone minutes for my noticed that I get zone minutes for my talks. Whenever I give a talk, I get talks. Whenever I give a talk, I get talks. Whenever I give a talk, I get Okay, this is helpful. So, you do get Okay, this is helpful. So, you do get Okay, this is helpful. So, you do get stressed. I thought you were just a stressed. I thought you were just a stressed. I thought you were just a robot with like a really low heart rate.

robot with like a really low heart rate. robot with like a really low heart rate. Well, actually, so, uh, for talks, it's Well, actually, so, uh, for talks, it's Well, actually, so, uh, for talks, it's not so much stress. It's the act the not so much stress. It's the act the not so much stress. It's the act the speaking, projecting, and moving around. speaking, projecting, and moving around. speaking, projecting, and moving around. Oh, gets my heart rate up into, you Oh, gets my heart rate up into, you Oh, gets my heart rate up into, you know, it counts as some level of cardio, know, it counts as some level of cardio, know, it counts as some level of cardio, like lowle cardio. Okay. So, when I do like lowle cardio. Okay. So, when I do like lowle cardio. Okay. So, when I do talks, my heart rate, I always check it talks, my heart rate, I always check it talks, my heart rate, I always check it beforehand. I come in, I'm I'm beforehand. I come in, I'm I'm beforehand. I come in, I'm I'm backstage, it's at about 99 to 100. I do backstage, it's at about 99 to 100. I do backstage, it's at about 99 to 100. I do the talk, it's about 120. This talk, I the talk, it's about 120. This talk, I the talk, it's about 120. This talk, I was 140. This was like I had run a mile. was 140. This was like I had run a mile. was 140. This was like I had run a mile. It was the highest heart rate I'd ever It was the highest heart rate I'd ever It was the highest heart rate I'd ever seen on stage. Yeah. But Yeah. But so seen on stage. Yeah. But Yeah. But so seen on stage. Yeah. But Yeah. But so for you too though uh you get your for you too though uh you get your for you too though uh you get your elevated heart rate while you're giving elevated heart rate while you're giving elevated heart rate while you're giving a talk too. Yeah. Well it is work giving a talk too. Yeah. Well it is work giving a talk too. Yeah. Well it is work giving a talk. It is work. And Kathy was saying a talk. It is work. And Kathy was saying a talk. It is work. And Kathy was saying that if you don't what did she say? If that if you don't what did she say? If that if you don't what did she say? If you if you don't feel like that then you you if you don't feel like that then you you if you don't feel like that then you don't care enough. Yeah. Cuz you don't don't care enough. Yeah. Cuz you don't don't care enough. Yeah. Cuz you don't want to just go out and give a lame want to just go out and give a lame want to just go out and give a lame performance. Yeah. performance. Yeah. performance. Yeah. How do you manage your dayto-day? Like How do you manage your dayto-day? Like How do you manage your dayto-day? Like do you get stressed? Yeah. So, for one, do you get stressed? Yeah. So, for one, do you get stressed? Yeah. So, for one, uh like I said, if I don't have enough uh like I said, if I don't have enough uh like I said, if I don't have enough time, if I don't have the time I need to time, if I don't have the time I need to time, if I don't have the time I need to digest what's going on, like, uh if I digest what's going on, like, uh if I digest what's going on, like, uh if I get a there's days where I'm literally get a there's days where I'm literally get a there's days where I'm literally backtoback meetings. Mhm. With no breaks backtoback meetings. Mhm. With no breaks backtoback meetings. Mhm. With no breaks and it's and I and I have to be on in and it's and I and I have to be on in and it's and I and I have to be on in the meeting because a lot of my meetings the meeting because a lot of my meetings the meeting because a lot of my meetings at my level like you are people at my level like you are people at my level like you are people presenting to me where I've got to stay presenting to me where I've got to stay presenting to me where I've got to stay engaged and keep keep up with it. It's engaged and keep keep up with it. It's engaged and keep keep up with it. It's not like squirrel. Yeah.

not like squirrel. Yeah. not like squirrel. Yeah. So those are exhausting times and if I So those are exhausting times and if I So those are exhausting times and if I have two days of that I am going to have two days of that I am going to have two days of that I am going to combust. So yeah. combust. So yeah. combust. So yeah. So right now I try to keep breaks um So right now I try to keep breaks um So right now I try to keep breaks um where I can like do you know go check where I can like do you know go check where I can like do you know go check emails and surf the web a little bit and emails and surf the web a little bit and emails and surf the web a little bit and read something read something read something uh periodically. Otherwise I just start uh periodically. Otherwise I just start uh periodically. Otherwise I just start to get overloaded and really stressed. I to get overloaded and really stressed. I to get overloaded and really stressed. I think a tip I would give to people if think a tip I would give to people if think a tip I would give to people if they're Microsoft employees or tech they're Microsoft employees or tech they're Microsoft employees or tech employees is you got to listen to your employees is you got to listen to your employees is you got to listen to your body. You got to listen to what's going body. You got to listen to what's going body. You got to listen to what's going on. Like right now it's 10 and my back on. Like right now it's 10 and my back on. Like right now it's 10 and my back of my thighs is hurting. But I also have of my thighs is hurting. But I also have of my thighs is hurting. But I also have really like this is this is my normal really like this is this is my normal really like this is this is my normal posture because I used to do this all posture because I used to do this all posture because I used to do this all the time and it over years it screwed me the time and it over years it screwed me the time and it over years it screwed me up real bad. So I have this like very up real bad. So I have this like very up real bad. So I have this like very pop posture and you can't do that for pop posture and you can't do that for pop posture and you can't do that for eight hours a day. It's hard. So then eight hours a day. It's hard. So then eight hours a day. It's hard. So then I'll take a meeting while walking or I'll take a meeting while walking or I'll take a meeting while walking or I'll listen, you know, got to listen to I'll listen, you know, got to listen to I'll listen, you know, got to listen to your body. Get on the treadmill. The your body. Get on the treadmill. The your body. Get on the treadmill. The kids call it a walking pad. Um, do you kids call it a walking pad. Um, do you kids call it a walking pad. Um, do you ever take meetings and walk or you ever take meetings and walk or you ever take meetings and walk or you always like locked in sitting? Locked in always like locked in sitting? Locked in always like locked in sitting? Locked in sitting. Yeah. How much do you work out sitting. Yeah. How much do you work out sitting. Yeah. How much do you work out to undo what the damage you're doing by to undo what the damage you're doing by to undo what the damage you're doing by sitting? So I work out six days a week sitting? So I work out six days a week sitting? So I work out six days a week in the morning first thing. Oh, you're a in the morning first thing. Oh, you're a in the morning first thing. Oh, you're a morning workout person. I'm a morning morning workout person. I'm a morning morning workout person. I'm a morning workout. I became a morning workout. So, workout. I became a morning workout. So, workout. I became a morning workout. So, I've exercised pretty much my whole life I've exercised pretty much my whole life I've exercised pretty much my whole life except for a period where I kind of except for a period where I kind of except for a period where I kind of stopped and then gained a lot of weight stopped and then gained a lot of weight stopped and then gained a lot of weight and then started again. And what I found and then started again. And what I found and then started again. And what I found was when I when I was stopped, it it was

was when I when I was stopped, it it was was when I when I was stopped, it it was one of the slippery slopes things of, one of the slippery slopes things of, one of the slippery slopes things of, oh, I'll work out after work. Oh, wait. oh, I'll work out after work. Oh, wait. oh, I'll work out after work. Oh, wait. You know what? I'm I I need to I'm too You know what? I'm I I need to I'm too You know what? I'm I I need to I'm too tired or I need to do some more. You tired or I need to do some more. You tired or I need to do some more. You skip one and then you skip. Yeah. And skip one and then you skip. Yeah. And skip one and then you skip. Yeah. And then it start and I'm going to Oh, I'm then it start and I'm going to Oh, I'm then it start and I'm going to Oh, I'm going to go on a business trip and uh going to go on a business trip and uh going to go on a business trip and uh Oh, you know what? I'm on a business Oh, you know what? I'm on a business Oh, you know what? I'm on a business trip. It's just I I need more sleep so trip. It's just I I need more sleep so trip. It's just I I need more sleep so I'm going to skip the workouts. And it I'm going to skip the workouts. And it I'm going to skip the workouts. And it just became, you know, this slide down just became, you know, this slide down just became, you know, this slide down into instead of doing it six days a into instead of doing it six days a into instead of doing it six days a week, it was four days a week and then week, it was four days a week and then week, it was four days a week and then three days a week and then every now and three days a week and then every now and three days a week and then every now and then. And then so I got on this and it's then. And then so I got on this and it's then. And then so I got on this and it's not for everybody, but I got on a no not for everybody, but I got on a no not for everybody, but I got on a no excuses workout program where like is excuses workout program where like is excuses workout program where like is that what it's called? No excuses. It's that what it's called? No excuses. It's that what it's called? No excuses. It's just my No, it's just my own. It just just my No, it's just my own. It just just my No, it's just my own. It just made it up. I should write a book and made it up. I should write a book and made it up. I should write a book and promote promote. Um, Mark's no excuses promote promote. Um, Mark's no excuses promote promote. Um, Mark's no excuses workout program. Uh, which but by no workout program. Uh, which but by no workout program. Uh, which but by no excuses I meant like unless I'm really excuses I meant like unless I'm really excuses I meant like unless I'm really sick or the schedule is out of my sick or the schedule is out of my sick or the schedule is out of my control and I just can't fit it in, I'm control and I just can't fit it in, I'm control and I just can't fit it in, I'm going to exercise. Wow. Okay. No matter going to exercise. Wow. Okay. No matter going to exercise. Wow. Okay. No matter how much is going on in my life, like, how much is going on in my life, like, how much is going on in my life, like, oh, there's a talk and uh I'm not quite oh, there's a talk and uh I'm not quite oh, there's a talk and uh I'm not quite prepped for it. Mhm. And I could use the prepped for it. Mhm. And I could use the prepped for it. Mhm. And I could use the time. Yeah. Like, nope, I'm not eating time. Yeah. Like, nope, I'm not eating time. Yeah. Like, nope, I'm not eating into the exercise time. Okay. So, how into the exercise time. Okay. So, how into the exercise time. Okay. So, how long are these workouts? An hour. I long are these workouts? An hour. I long are these workouts? An hour. I mean, to an hour. You work out six days mean, to an hour. You work out six days mean, to an hour. You work out six days a week for an hour. Well, it's a week for an hour. Well, it's a week for an hour. Well, it's approximately like the the the time slot approximately like the the the time slot approximately like the the the time slot is variable, but Sure. Sure. Like I'll is variable, but Sure. Sure. Like I'll is variable, but Sure. Sure. Like I'll do cardio for 45 minutes or an hour or do cardio for 45 minutes or an hour or do cardio for 45 minutes or an hour or some days it'll be 30 minutes. Um, and I

some days it'll be 30 minutes. Um, and I some days it'll be 30 minutes. Um, and I do weight training with a trainer three do weight training with a trainer three do weight training with a trainer three days a week. Um, and that is an those days a week. Um, and that is an those days a week. Um, and that is an those are 50 minute sessions. Do you go are 50 minute sessions. Do you go are 50 minute sessions. Do you go somewhere? Do you just the local pro somewhere? Do you just the local pro somewhere? Do you just the local pro club which is like the Microsoft gym? club which is like the Microsoft gym? club which is like the Microsoft gym? Man, I got to do that like that having Man, I got to do that like that having Man, I got to do that like that having if I could. And by the way, trainer. So, if I could. And by the way, trainer. So, if I could. And by the way, trainer. So, two things. No excuses means unless uh two things. No excuses means unless uh two things. No excuses means unless uh there's some circumstance out of my there's some circumstance out of my there's some circumstance out of my control, I'm doing it. And the second control, I'm doing it. And the second control, I'm doing it. And the second thing is for weight training, having a thing is for weight training, having a thing is for weight training, having a trainer trainer trainer is a huge because it's a person you are is a huge because it's a person you are is a huge because it's a person you are obligated to go see. I'm obligated to go obligated to go see. I'm obligated to go obligated to go see. I'm obligated to go see. And the other thing too is I don't see. And the other thing too is I don't see. And the other thing too is I don't have to think about it. like I don't have to think about it. like I don't have to think about it. like I don't have to come up with my weight training have to come up with my weight training have to come up with my weight training program, which that is hard. Yeah. And program, which that is hard. Yeah. And program, which that is hard. Yeah. And then be like, you know what, I don't then be like, you know what, I don't then be like, you know what, I don't feel like doing that today. Um I'm feel like doing that today. Um I'm feel like doing that today. Um I'm feeling a little, you know, I'm not feeling a little, you know, I'm not feeling a little, you know, I'm not going to I'm only going to, you know, do going to I'm only going to, you know, do going to I'm only going to, you know, do three two sets instead of three cuz I'm three two sets instead of three cuz I'm three two sets instead of three cuz I'm a little fatigued. It's like if the a little fatigued. It's like if the a little fatigued. It's like if the trainers like if and they can read you trainers like if and they can read you trainers like if and they can read you well, they're like, "No, you're doing well, they're like, "No, you're doing well, they're like, "No, you're doing three." Um so it kind of takes it out of three." Um so it kind of takes it out of three." Um so it kind of takes it out of your hands. That's a great point. I'm your hands. That's a great point. I'm your hands. That's a great point. I'm gonna draw the parallel back to having a gonna draw the parallel back to having a gonna draw the parallel back to having a coach. Like when I was assigned a coach. Like when I was assigned a coach. Like when I was assigned a speaker coach, people were like, "You speaker coach, people were like, "You speaker coach, people were like, "You don't need a speaker coach. You're speak don't need a speaker coach. You're speak don't need a speaker coach. You're speak fine." You could always have a hype fine." You could always have a hype fine." You could always have a hype person. Yeah. She I I did the talk once person. Yeah. She I I did the talk once person. Yeah. She I I did the talk once uh on the first on the week just before uh on the first on the week just before uh on the first on the week just before she wanted to start intensifying like she wanted to start intensifying like she wanted to start intensifying like you're getting ready before a show, you're getting ready before a show, you're getting ready before a show, right? So the parallel, you're getting right? So the parallel, you're getting right? So the parallel, you're getting ready before a show. She's like, "Okay, ready before a show. She's like, "Okay, ready before a show. She's like, "Okay, you're going to do the talk." And I did you're going to do the talk." And I did you're going to do the talk." And I did it twice and I was like, "Okay, I'm it twice and I was like, "Okay, I'm it twice and I was like, "Okay, I'm good. Let's go to lunch." No, no, you're good. Let's go to lunch." No, no, you're good. Let's go to lunch." No, no, you're going to do it one more time. And it was going to do it one more time. And it was going to do it one more time. And it was very much like you're doing push-ups in very much like you're doing push-ups in very much like you're doing push-ups in the rain and then your Marine sergeant

the rain and then your Marine sergeant the rain and then your Marine sergeant sits on your back and you're going to sits on your back and you're going to sits on your back and you're going to keep doing push-ups. So she grinded keep doing push-ups. So she grinded keep doing push-ups. So she grinded another rep out of that. It's really another rep out of that. It's really another rep out of that. It's really helpful to have somebody motivating you helpful to have somebody motivating you helpful to have somebody motivating you like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That that like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That that like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That that applies at work as well. And applies at work as well. And applies at work as well. And surprisingly that stress is good stress surprisingly that stress is good stress surprisingly that stress is good stress which helps you manage your own stress. which helps you manage your own stress. which helps you manage your own stress. Well, I think that helps you manage Well, I think that helps you manage Well, I think that helps you manage stress a lot is the exercise. The other stress a lot is the exercise. The other stress a lot is the exercise. The other thing too, and I talked, we talked about thing too, and I talked, we talked about thing too, and I talked, we talked about this in a previous episode, is learning this in a previous episode, is learning this in a previous episode, is learning how to breathe. how to breathe. how to breathe. And when I feel myself getting stressed, And when I feel myself getting stressed, And when I feel myself getting stressed, I focus on my breath and taking long I focus on my breath and taking long I focus on my breath and taking long breaths. Cuz I think one of the things breaths. Cuz I think one of the things breaths. Cuz I think one of the things that happens when people get stressed is that happens when people get stressed is that happens when people get stressed is their breath, their breathing gets their breath, their breathing gets their breath, their breathing gets shorter and then you're not getting as shorter and then you're not getting as shorter and then you're not getting as much oxygen. Yep. And your brain is much oxygen. Yep. And your brain is much oxygen. Yep. And your brain is racing and that causes the stress to get racing and that causes the stress to get racing and that causes the stress to get worse. So just stopping thinking about worse. So just stopping thinking about worse. So just stopping thinking about your breath and uh that kind of takes your breath and uh that kind of takes your breath and uh that kind of takes your mind off of the thing that's your mind off of the thing that's your mind off of the thing that's stressing you out and and slows you down stressing you out and and slows you down stressing you out and and slows you down and that helps you that helps you deal and that helps you that helps you deal and that helps you that helps you deal with it better. Yeah, that is so with it better. Yeah, that is so with it better. Yeah, that is so important. I really appreciate the important. I really appreciate the important. I really appreciate the breath thing. We'll end on the breath breath thing. We'll end on the breath breath thing. We'll end on the breath thing because I have seen people of all thing because I have seen people of all thing because I have seen people of all early career, late career, whatever.

early career, late career, whatever. early career, late career, whatever. Like they won't breathe at work all Like they won't breathe at work all Like they won't breathe at work all week. Yeah. And I we'll do a one-on-one. week. Yeah. And I we'll do a one-on-one. week. Yeah. And I we'll do a one-on-one. I'll just like you seem a little tight. I'll just like you seem a little tight. I'll just like you seem a little tight. It's just like let's just It's just like let's just It's just like let's just you know it's like oh my god I didn't you know it's like oh my god I didn't you know it's like oh my god I didn't realize I was carrying all that stress. realize I was carrying all that stress. realize I was carrying all that stress. It's okay to be human and breathe and It's okay to be human and breathe and It's okay to be human and breathe and that's important thing to remember. I that's important thing to remember. I that's important thing to remember. I think that breathing like once I learned think that breathing like once I learned think that breathing like once I learned about breathing and focus on breath about breathing and focus on breath about breathing and focus on breath which is kind of my it's mindfulness too which is kind of my it's mindfulness too which is kind of my it's mindfulness too it's called you know focusing on the it's called you know focusing on the it's called you know focusing on the breath that that should be taught to breath that that should be taught to breath that that should be taught to children children children in elementary school cuz it is such a in elementary school cuz it is such a in elementary school cuz it is such a huge skill for managing life is huge skill for managing life is huge skill for managing life is breathing sometimes when I'm really breathing sometimes when I'm really breathing sometimes when I'm really stressed this is how I've managed my stressed this is how I've managed my stressed this is how I've managed my stress just a couple days before the the stress just a couple days before the the stress just a couple days before the the talk um I felt that my room was messy I talk um I felt that my room was messy I talk um I felt that my room was messy I clean my room. I vacuumed it so I could clean my room. I vacuumed it so I could clean my room. I vacuumed it so I could see the lines. Okay, I want to see the see the lines. Okay, I want to see the see the lines. Okay, I want to see the lines in the carpet. And then I went and lines in the carpet. And then I went and lines in the carpet. And then I went and got a haircut and I went and got a went got a haircut and I went and got a went got a haircut and I went and got a went to the car wash. I I tweeted about this to the car wash. I I tweeted about this to the car wash. I I tweeted about this on Blue Sky and it was like When did you on Blue Sky and it was like When did you on Blue Sky and it was like When did you do I tweeted about it on Blue Sky? No.

do I tweeted about it on Blue Sky? No. do I tweeted about it on Blue Sky? No. When did you do all this? Uh the Tuesday When did you do all this? Uh the Tuesday When did you do all this? Uh the Tuesday before the talk. So like 4 days before before the talk. So like 4 days before before the talk. So like 4 days before the talk. It's like everything's falling the talk. It's like everything's falling the talk. It's like everything's falling apart and everything sucks. Car wash, apart and everything sucks. Car wash, apart and everything sucks. Car wash, haircut, clean your room. Well, that haircut, clean your room. Well, that haircut, clean your room. Well, that helps you make you feel like you're helps you make you feel like you're helps you make you feel like you're managing things. By the way, also here's managing things. By the way, also here's managing things. By the way, also here's another tip for managing stress that I another tip for managing stress that I another tip for managing stress that I use is writing things down. Oh, we use is writing things down. Oh, we use is writing things down. Oh, we talked about this. Yep. Yeah, we got my talked about this. Yep. Yeah, we got my talked about this. Yep. Yeah, we got my remarkable. Yeah, here's my pad with remarkable. Yeah, here's my pad with remarkable. Yeah, here's my pad with stuff. Okay. Not as fancy as my ink. I stuff. Okay. Not as fancy as my ink. I stuff. Okay. Not as fancy as my ink. I put it up because nobody can read my put it up because nobody can read my put it up because nobody can read my writing, including me, but yeah. So, I'm writing, including me, but yeah. So, I'm writing, including me, but yeah. So, I'm not worried about leaking. 100% agree. I not worried about leaking. 100% agree. I not worried about leaking. 100% agree. I I wrote a blog post about this almost 20 I wrote a blog post about this almost 20 I wrote a blog post about this almost 20 years ago called Sync to Paper. years ago called Sync to Paper. years ago called Sync to Paper. Everything is stressed out. Put your Everything is stressed out. Put your Everything is stressed out. Put your phone in airplane mode. Airplane mode phone in airplane mode. Airplane mode phone in airplane mode. Airplane mode works on the ground. Turn off your works on the ground. Turn off your works on the ground. Turn off your computer and just write down everything computer and just write down everything computer and just write down everything that's going on. It's it it offloads it that's going on. It's it it offloads it that's going on. It's it it offloads it from your brain for one thing. Put it from your brain for one thing. Put it from your brain for one thing. Put it into a trusted source. into a trusted source. into a trusted source. Look at that. Build Seattle right there. Look at that. Build Seattle right there. Look at that. Build Seattle right there. Yeah. 100% agree. Another episode. Let's everybody let's Another episode. Let's everybody let's breathe. Let's all breathe. It's true breathe. Let's all breathe. It's true breathe. Let's all breathe. It's true though. In through your mouth, out though. In through your mouth, out though. In through your mouth, out through your nose.

through your nose. through your nose. Or is it the other way around? I don't Or is it the other way around? I don't Or is it the other way around? I don't know. I go in the out the mouth. Out know. I go in the out the mouth. Out know. I go in the out the mouth. Out there. I'm always ice skating uphill. there. I'm always ice skating uphill. there. I'm always ice skating uphill. [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] All right, friends. Thank you for as All right, friends. Thank you for as All right, friends. Thank you for as always, I will say this. You know what always, I will say this. You know what always, I will say this. You know what helps my stress? Comments on Mark and helps my stress? Comments on Mark and helps my stress? Comments on Mark and Scott Learn to help my stress and Scott Learn to help my stress and Scott Learn to help my stress and telling your friends about it. Telling telling your friends about it. Telling telling your friends about it. Telling your friends about the show. Spread the your friends about the show. Spread the your friends about the show. Spread the word. One day we will be one day we'll word. One day we will be one day we'll word. One day we will be one day we'll we'll get this the promotion the self we'll get this the promotion the self we'll get this the promotion the self promotion that self promotion that we promotion that self promotion that we promotion that self promotion that we need. People will be talking about this. need. People will be talking about this. need. People will be talking about this. All right, brother. It's off to the uh All right, brother. It's off to the uh All right, brother. It's off to the uh to the mines. Time to do meetings. Thank to the mines. Time to do meetings. Thank to the mines. Time to do meetings. Thank you everyone for spending time with us. you everyone for spending time with us. you everyone for spending time with us. Bye.