EPISODE 21 - Live Vibe Coding - Who Talks More, Scott or Mark?

Yeah. Specifically my dad. Yeah. Specifically my dad. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He watches all of these. Did you know? >> He watches all of these. Did you know? >> He watches all of these. Did you know? >> No, I didn't. >> No, I didn't. >> No, I didn't. >> He does. He sits there. My mom sends me >> He does. He sits there. My mom sends me >> He does. He sits there. My mom sends me pictures of him. pictures of him. pictures of him. >> Does he like it? >> Does he like it? >> Does he like it? >> Like surreptitious surreptitiously taken >> Like surreptitious surreptitiously taken >> Like surreptitious surreptitiously taken from the hallway. from the hallway. from the hallway. >> You speak too much, though. >> You speak too much, though. >> You speak too much, though. >> He said Yeah, he didn't tell me that >> He said Yeah, he didn't tell me that >> He said Yeah, he didn't tell me that because he he's my dad. He would never because he he's my dad. He would never because he he's my dad. He would never tell me that I talk too much. But he tell me that I talk too much. But he tell me that I talk too much. But he does say that uh your buddy Mark is a does say that uh your buddy Mark is a does say that uh your buddy Mark is a smart guy. Seems to know what he's smart guy. Seems to know what he's smart guy. Seems to know what he's talking about. talking about. talking about. I hope you guys enjoy your time I hope you guys enjoy your time I hope you guys enjoy your time together. together. together. >> Okay. I was going to make a snarky >> Okay. I was going to make a snarky >> Okay. I was going to make a snarky comment about you there, but I don't comment about you there, but I don't comment about you there, but I don't I'll I'll leave it. I'll I'll leave it. I'll I'll leave it. >> Don't be mean to my dad, man. >> Don't be mean to my dad, man. >> Don't be mean to my dad, man. >> No, not to your dad to you. >> No, not to your dad to you. >> No, not to your dad to you. >> Uh-oh. Well, you need to though to >> Uh-oh. Well, you need to though to >> Uh-oh. Well, you need to though to balance it out because one of the things balance it out because one of the things balance it out because one of the things we haven't done is a sentiment analysis we haven't done is a sentiment analysis we haven't done is a sentiment analysis of the snarkiness factor. of the snarkiness factor. of the snarkiness factor. >> All right, let's do that one, too. >> All right, let's do that one, too. >> All right, let's do that one, too. >> That's another That's another chart. >> That's another That's another chart. >> That's another That's another chart. I'll work on that. Rob just sent me the the transcripts.

Rob just sent me the the transcripts. Um Um Um >> Oh, what are you thinking? >> Oh, what are you thinking? >> Oh, what are you thinking? >> I thought No, that's cheating. You >> I thought No, that's cheating. You >> I thought No, that's cheating. You didn't even have to write the RSS reader didn't even have to write the RSS reader didn't even have to write the RSS reader and download and run that. and download and run that. and download and run that. >> Is that Is that bad? I mean, do we need >> Is that Is that bad? I mean, do we need >> Is that Is that bad? I mean, do we need to go and bring them down? Are we not to go and bring them down? Are we not to go and bring them down? Are we not going to sit around here and wait for going to sit around here and wait for going to sit around here and wait for this thing to happen? Um, so we need the this thing to happen? Um, so we need the this thing to happen? Um, so we need the AI has to know approximately how long it AI has to know approximately how long it AI has to know approximately how long it takes to say things. See, that's why I takes to say things. See, that's why I takes to say things. See, that's why I wanted to do work on the audio files wanted to do work on the audio files wanted to do work on the audio files because I uh you speak a lot faster. because I uh you speak a lot faster. because I uh you speak a lot faster. >> Oh, you want minutes? >> Oh, you want minutes? >> Oh, you want minutes? >> Yeah, I want >> Yeah, I want >> Yeah, I want >> I speak faster than you. Is that a >> I speak faster than you. Is that a >> I speak faster than you. Is that a declaration of fact? declaration of fact? declaration of fact? >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. As far as you know. As far as you know. As far as you know. >> No, >> as far as you know. No, I I actually >> as far as you know. No, I I actually need I wanted minutes of actual talk need I wanted minutes of actual talk need I wanted minutes of actual talk time. time. time. >> So, >> So, >> So, >> well, the red the red lines are >> well, the red the red lines are >> well, the red the red lines are timestamped though, so we actually can timestamped though, so we actually can timestamped though, so we actually can look at the timestamps because if you look at the timestamps because if you look at the timestamps because if you grab one of them grab one of them grab one of them >> Oh, there are >> Oh, there are >> Oh, there are >> like the like the popular skinincare >> like the like the popular skinincare >> like the like the popular skinincare episode talking. episode talking. episode talking. >> It has time stamps between us talking. >> It has time stamps between us talking. >> It has time stamps between us talking. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Oh, okay. Well, there you go. >> Oh, okay. Well, there you go. >> Oh, okay. Well, there you go. >> Uh, >> Uh, >> Uh, >> so we can also calculate the speed at >> so we can also calculate the speed at >> so we can also calculate the speed at which you you talk. I don't know how which you you talk. I don't know how which you you talk. I don't know how much time was in there me thoughtfully much time was in there me thoughtfully much time was in there me thoughtfully pondering some deep thing before I pondering some deep thing before I pondering some deep thing before I spoke.

spoke. spoke. >> We could do a statistical model that >> We could do a statistical model that >> We could do a statistical model that indicated that Mark no one talks that indicated that Mark no one talks that indicated that Mark no one talks that slow. So he must have been pondering. slow. So he must have been pondering. slow. So he must have been pondering. >> There's no other there's no other >> There's no other there's no other >> There's no other there's no other >> possible explanation other than this >> possible explanation other than this >> possible explanation other than this going to be fast and easy to do this. going to be fast and easy to do this. going to be fast and easy to do this. I'm I'm fine with this as a first shot, I'm I'm fine with this as a first shot, I'm I'm fine with this as a first shot, but I reserve the right to challenge the but I reserve the right to challenge the but I reserve the right to challenge the result. result. result. >> Okay. I acknowledge that. Uh I think the >> Okay. I acknowledge that. Uh I think the >> Okay. I acknowledge that. Uh I think the problem is that problem is that problem is that we put in the MP4s, so I'm downloading we put in the MP4s, so I'm downloading we put in the MP4s, so I'm downloading all of them and I really just want the all of them and I really just want the all of them and I really just want the files. How do you tell it to files. How do you tell it to files. How do you tell it to >> We only have like 18 episodes and you're >> We only have like 18 episodes and you're >> We only have like 18 episodes and you're already downloaded most so does it already downloaded most so does it already downloaded most so does it matter. matter. matter. >> Yeah, I guess it doesn't really matter. >> Yeah, I guess it doesn't really matter. >> Yeah, I guess it doesn't really matter. It's only coming down at 20 megs a It's only coming down at 20 megs a It's only coming down at 20 megs a second, though.Uh, okay. All right. So let's go over here okay. All right. So let's go over here and here's the folder. and here's the folder. and here's the folder. >> So which model are you using to go use >> So which model are you using to go use >> So which model are you using to go use these cloud codes? You're using Sonet 4.

these cloud codes? You're using Sonet 4. these cloud codes? You're using Sonet 4. >> Well, I could use Claude or I could use >> Well, I could use Claude or I could use >> Well, I could use Claude or I could use agent mode. I haven't done a lot of agent mode. I haven't done a lot of agent mode. I haven't done a lot of stuff with agent mode since I was doing stuff with agent mode since I was doing stuff with agent mode since I was doing Claude yesterday. Claude yesterday. Claude yesterday. >> So I've been agent mode. >> So I've been agent mode. >> So I've been agent mode. >> So by the way, Claude um agent mode or >> So by the way, Claude um agent mode or >> So by the way, Claude um agent mode or not Sonet 4 really likes to make for not Sonet 4 really likes to make for not Sonet 4 really likes to make for this project MCD to make throwaway test this project MCD to make throwaway test this project MCD to make throwaway test scripts. It's like let me write a touch scripts. It's like let me write a touch scripts. It's like let me write a touch a script to test this. And so my a script to test this. And so my a script to test this. And so my >> Yes, that is very true. >> Yes, that is very true. >> Yes, that is very true. >> After like five minutes, I've got like >> After like five minutes, I've got like >> After like five minutes, I've got like 10 files that it's dropped in the 10 files that it's dropped in the 10 files that it's dropped in the directory. directory. directory. >> Yeah, that is absolutely true. >> Yeah, that is absolutely true. >> Yeah, that is absolutely true. >> And and they all and it has no naming >> And and they all and it has no naming >> And and they all and it has no naming conventions. Some of them are called conventions. Some of them are called conventions. Some of them are called test underscore. Some of them are called test underscore. Some of them are called test underscore. Some of them are called blah blah blah debug. Some of them are blah blah blah debug. Some of them are blah blah blah debug. Some of them are called validate underscore. called validate underscore. called validate underscore. And uh so I actually ran into this And uh so I actually ran into this And uh so I actually ran into this challenge cuz I I had it starting to challenge cuz I I had it starting to challenge cuz I I had it starting to make real regression test scripts make real regression test scripts make real regression test scripts because I was so sick of it regressing because I was so sick of it regressing because I was so sick of it regressing that um I couldn't tell what was that um I couldn't tell what was that um I couldn't tell what was official test versus it throw away let official test versus it throw away let official test versus it throw away let me hack something for testing this >> where to put the test in a subdirectory >> where to put the test in a subdirectory the official test but it you know it's the official test but it you know it's the official test but it you know it's kind of interesting to watch its you kind of interesting to watch its you kind of interesting to watch its you know internish know internish know internish coding habit. It's cuz um coding habit. It's cuz um coding habit. It's cuz um >> I like that it's testing stuff though.

>> I like that it's testing stuff though. >> I like that it's testing stuff though. >> I do like that it's testing stuff. But I >> I do like that it's testing stuff. But I >> I do like that it's testing stuff. But I if I was writing throwaway test scripts, if I was writing throwaway test scripts, if I was writing throwaway test scripts, I'd create a directory like temp and I'd create a directory like temp and I'd create a directory like temp and throw them all in there. Instead, it's throw them all in there. Instead, it's throw them all in there. Instead, it's polluting the root directory with them. >> Um where is the model thing? I have >> Um where is the model thing? I have agent mode here, but where does it pick agent mode here, but where does it pick agent mode here, but where does it pick the model? the model? the model? >> Uh go to uh GitHub I think GitHub copout >> Uh go to uh GitHub I think GitHub copout >> Uh go to uh GitHub I think GitHub copout settings. Actually, hold on. Let me see. settings. Actually, hold on. Let me see. settings. Actually, hold on. Let me see. >> They move. Should I move my mouse on >> They move. Should I move my mouse on >> They move. Should I move my mouse on mine? I mine? I mine? I >> There it is. >> There it is. >> There it is. >> If you Yeah. >> If you Yeah. >> If you Yeah. >> Wonder why it disappeared. Length of >> Wonder why it disappeared. Length of >> Wonder why it disappeared. Length of time of time of time of >> Why is yours cloud for sonnet preview? >> Why is yours cloud for sonnet preview? >> Why is yours cloud for sonnet preview? Mine says cloud for sonnet with no Mine says cloud for sonnet with no Mine says cloud for sonnet with no preview. preview. preview. >> Uh you're probably fancier than I am. >> Uh you're probably fancier than I am. >> Uh you're probably fancier than I am. >> Probably. >> Probably. >> Probably. >> You probably have power. Um >> You probably have power. Um >> You probably have power. Um uh it can be a command line app in uh it can be a command line app in uh it can be a command line app in whatever whatever whatever language you think is language you think is language you think is best.

I don't have any files yet, man. I don't have any files yet, man. >> Oh, >> Oh, >> Oh, >> all right. Here we go. >> all right. Here we go. >> all right. Here we go. >> Is this why? Because I entered my own >> Is this why? Because I entered my own >> Is this why? Because I entered my own key. Huh. Huh. >> All right. So, Lenuk's >> All right. So, Lenuk's >> All right. So, Lenuk's Mark and Scott talk too much is the name Mark and Scott talk too much is the name Mark and Scott talk too much is the name of the folder. of the folder. of the folder. >> Scott talks too much. >> Scott talks too much. >> Scott talks too much. >> Let's just call it. >> Let's just call it. >> Let's just call it. >> I was trying to I was trying to bias it. >> I was trying to I was trying to bias it. >> I was trying to I was trying to bias it. And then we'll go dox. I want to get this is I want to just I I want to get this is I want to just I want to unzip this, but I don't want to. All right, here we go. All right, here we go. DocX. Create a Python project. Set a project Create a Python project. Set a project structure. implement DocX reading, structure. implement DocX reading, structure. implement DocX reading, speaker identification, word count

speaker identification, word count speaker identification, word count analysis, and speaker time calculation analysis, and speaker time calculation analysis, and speaker time calculation based on transcript titles. based on transcript titles. based on transcript titles. >> What's the word count analysis? >> What's the word count analysis? >> What's the word count analysis? >> Well, I told that I want to count who >> Well, I told that I want to count who >> Well, I told that I want to count who talks the most words cuz you're very talks the most words cuz you're very talks the most words cuz you're very wordy wordy wordy >> and then also who talks the longest >> and then also who talks the longest >> and then also who talks the longest amount of like clock time because I feel amount of like clock time because I feel amount of like clock time because I feel like you might be the wordiiest and I like you might be the wordiiest and I like you might be the wordiiest and I might be the clock time person. might be the clock time person. might be the clock time person. >> Uh, okay. >> Uh, okay. >> Uh, okay. >> Right. Again, I don't think we got very, >> Right. Again, I don't think we got very, >> Right. Again, I don't think we got very, you know, super precise times here you know, super precise times here you know, super precise times here because you only have the start, you because you only have the start, you because you only have the start, you don't have the finish. don't have the finish. don't have the finish. >> Uh, I think they're pretty precise, >> Uh, I think they're pretty precise, >> Uh, I think they're pretty precise, respectfully, because uh, it's down to respectfully, because uh, it's down to respectfully, because uh, it's down to like milliseconds. like milliseconds. like milliseconds. >> You know, what I'm saying is let's say >> You know, what I'm saying is let's say >> You know, what I'm saying is let's say that I say, "Hey, Scott." that I say, "Hey, Scott." that I say, "Hey, Scott." And then 2 minutes later you say, "Hey, And then 2 minutes later you say, "Hey, And then 2 minutes later you say, "Hey, Mark." You're only going to see. Mark." You're only going to see. Mark." You're only going to see. >> So, you're thinking you're being >> So, you're thinking you're being >> So, you're thinking you're being penalized 8 seconds here for penalized 8 seconds here for penalized 8 seconds here for thoughtfulness. thoughtfulness. thoughtfulness. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. No, no, it's Oh, yeah. Yeah, >> Yeah. No, no, it's Oh, yeah. Yeah, >> Yeah. No, no, it's Oh, yeah. Yeah, >> we we will we'll have to uh >> we we will we'll have to uh >> we we will we'll have to uh >> That probably took me three seconds to >> That probably took me three seconds to >> That probably took me three seconds to say. say. say. >> We'll have to put some math in there to >> We'll have to put some math in there to >> We'll have to put some math in there to figure that out.

figure that out. figure that out. >> So, it's Yeah, maybe it can estimate how >> So, it's Yeah, maybe it can estimate how >> So, it's Yeah, maybe it can estimate how long it took to say things. >> Okay, so Python's installed. It says >> Okay, so Python's installed. It says it's installing the the extension. By the way, I have to the extension. By the way, I have to read at least in my version of VS Code read at least in my version of VS Code read at least in my version of VS Code Copel agent, it seems to lose connection Copel agent, it seems to lose connection Copel agent, it seems to lose connection with the terminal after periodically with the terminal after periodically with the terminal after periodically where the AI is is running things in the where the AI is is running things in the where the AI is is running things in the terminal terminal terminal >> and then I can't see the result. uh let >> and then I can't see the result. uh let >> and then I can't see the result. uh let me try a different way and then it'll me try a different way and then it'll me try a different way and then it'll fart around four or five ways saying fart around four or five ways saying fart around four or five ways saying complaining that it can't see the result complaining that it can't see the result complaining that it can't see the result of what it just tried and then of what it just tried and then of what it just tried and then eventually you can see eventually you can see eventually you can see >> have you seen >> have you seen >> have you seen >> I think that the thing that's it just >> I think that the thing that's it just >> I think that the thing that's it just says it can see the docx files I can see says it can see the docx files I can see says it can see the docx files I can see that it says let me start by making a that it says let me start by making a that it says let me start by making a workspace workspace workspace when it says working I'd like to see as when it says working I'd like to see as when it says working I'd like to see as much much much >> yeah me too as possible I feel >> yeah me too as possible I feel >> yeah me too as possible I feel comfortable I feel like I'm working if I comfortable I feel like I'm working if I comfortable I feel like I'm working if I see verb verbosity see verb verbosity see verb verbosity >> instead of just lazing around and >> instead of just lazing around and >> instead of just lazing around and letting Yeah, I do it.

letting Yeah, I do it. letting Yeah, I do it. >> Yeah, I don't want to just sit. Um I >> Yeah, I don't want to just sit. Um I >> Yeah, I don't want to just sit. Um I like I like specificity for you um like I like specificity for you um like I like specificity for you um around vibe coding and and kind of around vibe coding and and kind of around vibe coding and and kind of psychological effect of it. Um psychological effect of it. Um psychological effect of it. Um >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So I've been doing this uh yeah research >> So I've been doing this uh yeah research >> So I've been doing this uh yeah research on the side and I've been working with on the side and I've been working with on the side and I've been working with 03 Pro on having it design basically a 03 Pro on having it design basically a 03 Pro on having it design basically a DSL for me DSL for me DSL for me and it's doing a really great job. And and it's doing a really great job. And and it's doing a really great job. And when I look at it, when I look at it, when I look at it, if I had to do it my own on my own, it if I had to do it my own on my own, it if I had to do it my own on my own, it would probably take me a day or two to would probably take me a day or two to would probably take me a day or two to do what it does 15 minutes. do what it does 15 minutes. do what it does 15 minutes. >> And then I'm thinking when I tell people >> And then I'm thinking when I tell people >> And then I'm thinking when I tell people about this, do I about this, do I about this, do I acknowledge 03's assistance or do I take acknowledge 03's assistance or do I take acknowledge 03's assistance or do I take full? full? full? >> So I think you for now culturally we do >> So I think you for now culturally we do >> So I think you for now culturally we do acknowledge it. I put on my website that acknowledge it. I put on my website that acknowledge it. I put on my website that I vibed. I said uh but Scott by Scott I vibed. I said uh but Scott by Scott I vibed. I said uh but Scott by Scott and Claude.

and Claude. and Claude. >> Yeah. Why do you do but why why not just >> Yeah. Why do you do but why why not just >> Yeah. Why do you do but why why not just say by say by say by >> because I feel like it's the same as um >> because I feel like it's the same as um >> because I feel like it's the same as um if you used uh remember when we vied the if you used uh remember when we vied the if you used uh remember when we vied the HLSL shader, we went and we acknowledged HLSL shader, we went and we acknowledged HLSL shader, we went and we acknowledged the libraries and the code that it came the libraries and the code that it came the libraries and the code that it came from. from. from. >> Well, we feel like you're not doing that >> Well, we feel like you're not doing that >> Well, we feel like you're not doing that there. there. there. Oh, I haven't done yet. I'm trying to Oh, I haven't done yet. I'm trying to Oh, I haven't done yet. I'm trying to get it finished first and then I'll go get it finished first and then I'll go get it finished first and then I'll go through and I'll put in a license.ext through and I'll put in a license.ext through and I'll put in a license.ext and all the things I want to do. and all the things I want to do. and all the things I want to do. >> But how do But we don't even know where >> But how do But we don't even know where >> But how do But we don't even know where it came from. And actually, when you it came from. And actually, when you it came from. And actually, when you type code, you don't know where it came type code, you don't know where it came type code, you don't know where it came from. That you learned those things. from. That you learned those things. from. That you learned those things. I'm playing devil's advocate. You're But I'm playing devil's advocate. You're But I'm playing devil's advocate. You're But >> I understand, but you recall that >> I understand, but you recall that >> I understand, but you recall that co-pilot went off into the world and co-pilot went off into the world and co-pilot went off into the world and figured this stuff out. Copilot went off figured this stuff out. Copilot went off figured this stuff out. Copilot went off and and and >> Well, in the case of this 03 work that >> Well, in the case of this 03 work that >> Well, in the case of this 03 work that I'm doing, it's not code. It's ideas. I'm doing, it's not code. It's ideas. I'm doing, it's not code. It's ideas. So, So, So, >> oh, I see. >> oh, I see. >> oh, I see. Well, that then do you credit your Well, that then do you credit your Well, that then do you credit your rubber duck, rubber duck, rubber duck, right? If you're just yapping to your right? If you're just yapping to your right? If you're just yapping to your rubber duck, do you credit it for being rubber duck, do you credit it for being rubber duck, do you credit it for being there? Or if you talk to your wife and there? Or if you talk to your wife and there? Or if you talk to your wife and you're like, "Hey, I want to, you know, you're like, "Hey, I want to, you know, you're like, "Hey, I want to, you know, bounce some ideas off."

bounce some ideas off." bounce some ideas off." >> Let me ask you this. Still feels like, >> Let me ask you this. Still feels like, >> Let me ask you this. Still feels like, "Hey, Scott, I came up with the DSL >> like when I did when I feel like I >> like when I did when I feel like I didn't. I I kind of guided the creation didn't. I I kind of guided the creation didn't. I I kind of guided the creation of it, but I didn't. It's not I didn't of it, but I didn't. It's not I didn't of it, but I didn't. It's not I didn't come up with the DSL, come up with the DSL, come up with the DSL, but in some sense I did because if I but in some sense I did because if I but in some sense I did because if I didn't, who did? Cuz it's AI. It's a didn't, who did? Cuz it's AI. It's a didn't, who did? Cuz it's AI. It's a machine that helped me. M and we're on a related note. I had a and we're on a related note. I had a team offsite a few weeks ago and I gave team offsite a few weeks ago and I gave team offsite a few weeks ago and I gave a opening comments which obviously a opening comments which obviously a opening comments which obviously focused a lot on AI and I'm encouraging focused a lot on AI and I'm encouraging focused a lot on AI and I'm encouraging my team which is diverse mix of my team which is diverse mix of my team which is diverse mix of engineers and engineers and engineers and uh programmers and researchers product uh programmers and researchers product uh programmers and researchers product managers I to use AI as much as managers I to use AI as much as managers I to use AI as much as possible. you know, it's kind of just um possible. you know, it's kind of just um possible. you know, it's kind of just um >> right >> right >> right >> echoing Satcha's instructions to the >> echoing Satcha's instructions to the >> echoing Satcha's instructions to the company. And I one of the things that I company. And I one of the things that I company. And I one of the things that I said, which I don't remember saying, was said, which I don't remember saying, was said, which I don't remember saying, was um it's not cheating to use AI. And I um it's not cheating to use AI. And I um it's not cheating to use AI. And I had a one-on-one with somebody on my had a one-on-one with somebody on my had a one-on-one with somebody on my team the other day, and he and he said, team the other day, and he and he said, team the other day, and he and he said, "Oh, by the way, I've been using AI a "Oh, by the way, I've been using AI a "Oh, by the way, I've been using AI a ton. It's been helping a ton." And ton. It's been helping a ton." And ton. It's been helping a ton." And really uh we do these group meetings really uh we do these group meetings really uh we do these group meetings with a bunch of the other people on the with a bunch of the other people on the with a bunch of the other people on the team to talk about how we're using AI team to talk about how we're using AI team to talk about how we're using AI and people were really feeling and people were really feeling and people were really feeling uncomfortable about it and and I uncomfortable about it and and I uncomfortable about it and and I reminded them that you said AI using AI reminded them that you said AI using AI reminded them that you said AI using AI is not cheating and that helped is not cheating and that helped is not cheating and that helped everybody kind of get over this everybody kind of get over this everybody kind of get over this >> res you know.

>> res you know. >> res you know. >> Did you did you credit me when you said >> Did you did you credit me when you said >> Did you did you credit me when you said that though? that though? that though? >> No. Is that yours? >> No. Is that yours? >> No. Is that yours? >> And that then there's the problem. >> And that then there's the problem. >> And that then there's the problem. >> Yeah. Maybe I didn't I don't even remember Maybe I didn't I don't even remember saying it. So maybe I did say Scott saying it. So maybe I did say Scott saying it. So maybe I did say Scott Hansselman said Hansselman said Hansselman said don't using a is not cheating. Yeah, you don't using a is not cheating. Yeah, you don't using a is not cheating. Yeah, you can't can't can't >> in rel to this am I do I get am I when >> in rel to this am I do I get am I when >> in rel to this am I do I get am I when I'm asked when you're vibe coding right I'm asked when you're vibe coding right I'm asked when you're vibe coding right here are you working is this are you is here are you working is this are you is here are you working is this are you is it your product it your product it your product >> I feel like it is human judgment is the >> I feel like it is human judgment is the >> I feel like it is human judgment is the thing that is going to be the most thing that is going to be the most thing that is going to be the most valuable and you you could argue that valuable and you you could argue that valuable and you you could argue that there was no work done here but a there was no work done here but a there was no work done here but a question was had question was had question was had >> and I believe let's just look at this >> and I believe let's just look at this >> and I believe let's just look at this this is a pretty this is a pretty this is a pretty clear spec. This isn't just who talks clear spec. This isn't just who talks clear spec. This isn't just who talks more. more. more. >> So, I think that I get credit for >> So, I think that I get credit for >> So, I think that I get credit for clearly defining the problem. So, I'm clearly defining the problem. So, I'm clearly defining the problem. So, I'm analyzing that problem. And then I gave analyzing that problem. And then I gave analyzing that problem. And then I gave it some vibes and some advice as I was it some vibes and some advice as I was it some vibes and some advice as I was going through it going through it going through it >> and it's it's it's done now. So, if you >> and it's it's it's done now. So, if you >> and it's it's it's done now. So, if you were paying attention rather than were paying attention rather than were paying attention rather than talking so much, talking so much, talking so much, >> here's what we built.

>> here's what we built. >> here's what we built. >> Wait, do we need a drum roll? >> Wait, do we need a drum roll? >> Wait, do we need a drum roll? >> Oh, no. We don't because I talk way too >> Oh, no. We don't because I talk way too >> Oh, no. We don't because I talk way too much. much. much. >> Um, >> Um, >> Um, >> so we're assuming speech rate now. We >> so we're assuming speech rate now. We >> so we're assuming speech rate now. We have to go back and adjust it for your have to go back and adjust it for your have to go back and adjust it for your for your applauding style of speech. for your applauding style of speech. for your applauding style of speech. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um, but it turns out that I >> Um, but it turns out that I >> Um, but it turns out that I >> viewers viewers complain that you >> viewers viewers complain that you >> viewers viewers complain that you criticize me too much. >> Do they? >> Do they? >> Cuz we can write a script to prove that >> Cuz we can write a script to prove that >> Cuz we can write a script to prove that that's not true. So, it looks like I do talk more, which So, it looks like I do talk more, which makes sense given I podcast. makes sense given I podcast. makes sense given I podcast. >> That's 6040. >> That's 6040. >> That's 6040. >> Yeah, it's pretty. >> Yeah, it's pretty. >> Yeah, it's pretty. >> Uh, zoom again. Cuz actually, >> Uh, zoom again. Cuz actually, >> Uh, zoom again. Cuz actually, if if you're speaking 60% of the time if if you're speaking 60% of the time if if you're speaking 60% of the time and I'm 40% of the time, that's 50% more and I'm 40% of the time, that's 50% more and I'm 40% of the time, that's 50% more than I speak. [Music] [Music] >> Yeah. I mean, I guess depending on how >> Yeah. I mean, I guess depending on how >> Yeah. I mean, I guess depending on how your math is math and your math is math and your math is math and >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, let's let's let's let's ask >> Okay. Well, let's let's let's let's ask >> Okay. Well, let's let's let's let's ask it a question, though. it a question, though. it a question, though. >> But, you know, actually, it was uh more >> But, you know, actually, it was uh more >> But, you know, actually, it was uh more uh softspoken than the earlier episodes. uh softspoken than the earlier episodes. uh softspoken than the earlier episodes. So, So, So, >> okay. The last four episodes. Let's just >> okay. The last four episodes. Let's just >> okay. The last four episodes. Let's just see if it's changed at all. Oh, do a see if it's changed at all. Oh, do a see if it's changed at all. Oh, do a graph across. graph across. graph across. >> Can you tell >> Can you tell >> Can you tell >> make it create a graph? >> make it create a graph? >> make it create a graph? >> That's a good idea. >> Make make us a gra >> Make make us a gra >> here. Here before you uh here's my here. >> here. Here before you uh here's my here. >> here. Here before you uh here's my here. I'm going to take partial credit for I'm going to take partial credit for I'm going to take partial credit for this workout. this workout. this workout. >> Oh, you're taking over. What's your >> Oh, you're taking over. What's your >> Oh, you're taking over. What's your prompt here? What's your prompt? Hang prompt here? What's your prompt? Hang prompt here? What's your prompt? Hang on. on. on. >> I want I want I want a chart with two >> I want I want I want a chart with two >> I want I want I want a chart with two lines on it. One which is total lines on it. One which is total lines on it. One which is total accumulated accumulated accumulated talk time per speaker and the other one talk time per speaker and the other one talk time per speaker and the other one is talk time on an individual is talk time on an individual is talk time on an individual episode byep episode basis. So the episode byep episode basis. So the episode byep episode basis. So the x-axis are the episodes in order. this is good. And you know, hopefully it this is good. And you know, hopefully it gives us two Y axis because gives us two Y axis because gives us two Y axis because with a lot of episodes you want that.

with a lot of episodes you want that. with a lot of episodes you want that. >> How do I close that? >> How do I close that? >> How do I close that? >> But we can prompt it to do that if we >> But we can prompt it to do that if we >> But we can prompt it to do that if we don't like the result. don't like the result. don't like the result. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But I think I was speaking less uh in >> But I think I was speaking less uh in >> But I think I was speaking less uh in the earlier episodes and I found my the earlier episodes and I found my the earlier episodes and I found my voice. You found your voice. You're voice. You found your voice. You're voice. You found your voice. You're quite shy. quite shy. quite shy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Visualize talk. py adding requirements. They're putting in adding requirements. They're putting in mattplot and numpy. mattplot and numpy. mattplot and numpy. >> Yeah. Do you think people really like >> Yeah. Do you think people really like >> Yeah. Do you think people really like watching us vibe? watching us vibe? watching us vibe? >> I don't know. I don't know. I'm enjoying >> I don't know. I don't know. I'm enjoying >> I don't know. I don't know. I'm enjoying myself, but I know that myself, but I know that myself, but I know that >> I know that >> I know that >> I know that >> Janna and Rob are wondering if this is >> Janna and Rob are wondering if this is >> Janna and Rob are wondering if this is one show or two because it's already one show or two because it's already one show or two because it's already been 40 minutes. been 40 minutes. been 40 minutes. >> I think it's two shows. >> I think it's two shows. >> I think it's two shows. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> but are they enjoying it? >> but are they enjoying it? >> but are they enjoying it? >> Uh, very unlikely. They're they're paid >> Uh, very unlikely. They're they're paid >> Uh, very unlikely. They're they're paid to be here. to be here. to be here. >> Yeah, that's true. And they'll they'll >> Yeah, that's true. And they'll they'll >> Yeah, that's true. And they'll they'll tell us they are. Oh, now we're going to make a Oh, now we're going to make a non-interactive version. Okay, they made non-interactive version. Okay, they made non-interactive version. Okay, they made a PNG. I want to see the PNG.

a PNG. I want to see the PNG. a PNG. I want to see the PNG. >> They're making interactive version of >> They're making interactive version of >> They're making interactive version of >> Yeah, it looks like it. But I want to >> Yeah, it looks like it. But I want to >> Yeah, it looks like it. But I want to see the PNG. see the PNG. see the PNG. >> Why wouldn't it show it to us? >> Why wouldn't it show it to us? >> Why wouldn't it show it to us? >> I don't know. Well, cuz it's in a >> I don't know. Well, cuz it's in a >> I don't know. Well, cuz it's in a terminal. Maybe it doesn't Maybe it terminal. Maybe it doesn't Maybe it terminal. Maybe it doesn't Maybe it doesn't think we can see. >> Uh, >> Uh, okay. Okay. So, you're blue. okay. Okay. So, you're blue. okay. Okay. So, you're blue. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Actually, uh, >> Actually, uh, >> Actually, uh, >> history of Azure. >> history of Azure. >> history of Azure. I found that you talked a lot. I found that you talked a lot. I found that you talked a lot. >> Look at that one. Holy crap. What's that >> Look at that one. Holy crap. What's that >> Look at that one. Holy crap. What's that one? Vibe coding. one? Vibe coding. one? Vibe coding. >> Vive coding visual versus vibe coding >> Vive coding visual versus vibe coding >> Vive coding visual versus vibe coding discussion. discussion. discussion. >> Yeah, but yeah, I can see the big difference. but yeah, I can see the big difference. And actually on the later episode, And actually on the later episode, And actually on the later episode, what's that? Uh, skin care. That was what's that? Uh, skin care. That was what's that? Uh, skin care. That was earlier than that. This is not in order. earlier than that. This is not in order. earlier than that. This is not in order. >> Uh I think it's probably in spell check, >> Uh I think it's probably in spell check, >> Uh I think it's probably in spell check, spelling order, whatever. They messed up spelling order, whatever. They messed up spelling order, whatever. They messed up the ordering. It doesn't look like it's the ordering. It doesn't look like it's the ordering. It doesn't look like it's an order.

an order. an order. >> Tell it that it needs to interpret the >> Tell it that it needs to interpret the >> Tell it that it needs to interpret the first few characters as first few characters as first few characters as >> I'm miss I'm missing uh well I don't >> I'm miss I'm missing uh well I don't >> I'm miss I'm missing uh well I don't know the timing is not in the the date know the timing is not in the the date know the timing is not in the the date the episode was done isn't embedded in the episode was done isn't embedded in the episode was done isn't embedded in the thing. And I don't know where the thing. And I don't know where the thing. And I don't know where episodes two and three are. episodes two and three are. episodes two and three are. >> Smart. It should be smart enough to know >> Smart. It should be smart enough to know >> Smart. It should be smart enough to know EP1 is before EP2. EP1 is before EP2. EP1 is before EP2. >> Right. Skincare is marked as bonus. So, >> Right. Skincare is marked as bonus. So, >> Right. Skincare is marked as bonus. So, I don't know if that's I don't know if that's I don't know if that's >> worth worth wasting time on. >> worth worth wasting time on. >> worth worth wasting time on. >> No, it's not. But, um, but also I wanted >> No, it's not. But, um, but also I wanted >> No, it's not. But, um, but also I wanted it to show like total accumulated time it to show like total accumulated time it to show like total accumulated time on the same chart, but as a on the same chart, but as a on the same chart, but as a >> Oh, there you go. >> Oh, there you go. >> Oh, there you go. >> Yeah. Diagram. All right. It's fine. >> Yeah. Diagram. All right. It's fine. >> Yeah. Diagram. All right. It's fine. >> Okay. It's thinking. So, so then the question is, do I do So, so then the question is, do I do something about this something about this something about this >> about speaking too much? Well, I'm >> about speaking too much? Well, I'm >> about speaking too much? Well, I'm speaking a lot just to try to make up speaking a lot just to try to make up speaking a lot just to try to make up some lost ground. some lost ground. some lost ground. You need to talk for two more hours. You need to talk for two more hours. You need to talk for two more hours. >> Is that the difference right now? Two >> Is that the difference right now? Two >> Is that the difference right now? Two hours. hours. hours. >> Uh, apparently. >> Uh, apparently. >> Uh, apparently. >> Yeah. Wow. >> Yeah. Wow. >> Yeah. Wow. >> Which I feel is unfair. I feel like this >> Which I feel is unfair. I feel like this >> Which I feel is unfair. I feel like this is biased. is biased. is biased. >> I I guess I have to do four episodes on >> I I guess I have to do four episodes on >> I I guess I have to do four episodes on my own.

my own. my own. >> That's the only solution. >> That's the only solution. >> That's the only solution. >> That's the way to catch up fast. >> That's the way to catch up fast. >> That's the way to catch up fast. >> Just to make Mark talks. >> Just to make Mark talks. >> Just to make Mark talks. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Make a show called Mark Mark Learns. >> Make a show called Mark Mark Learns. >> Make a show called Mark Mark Learns. >> So, this is a great example where it's >> So, this is a great example where it's >> So, this is a great example where it's doing a thing. Mhm. doing a thing. Mhm. doing a thing. Mhm. >> And I don't have insight into what it's >> And I don't have insight into what it's >> And I don't have insight into what it's doing. So then I'm zooming out and I'm doing. So then I'm zooming out and I'm doing. So then I'm zooming out and I'm looking at Oh. looking at Oh. looking at Oh. So it it said let me do it in a simpler So it it said let me do it in a simpler So it it said let me do it in a simpler way. So I don't There you go. It's way. So I don't There you go. It's way. So I don't There you go. It's running in the left. running in the left. running in the left. >> Yeah, I see it did that a lot. It tries >> Yeah, I see it did that a lot. It tries >> Yeah, I see it did that a lot. It tries one way and then it decides to try. one way and then it decides to try. one way and then it decides to try. >> It gets confused. It's so it's got it's >> It gets confused. It's so it's got it's >> It gets confused. It's so it's got it's doing really well and now it says let me doing really well and now it says let me doing really well and now it says let me create a simpler version. So it's create a simpler version. So it's create a simpler version. So it's basically basically basically >> optimizing >> optimizing >> optimizing >> making changes. So it's it's optimizing. The question is could someone who The question is could someone who doesn't know how to code do this? doesn't know how to code do this? doesn't know how to code do this? >> They need to know how to be specific and >> They need to know how to be specific and >> They need to know how to be specific and that's it's a specificity that's the that's it's a specificity that's the that's it's a specificity that's the challenge. challenge. challenge. >> Yeah. Actually um this is relates to the the upper limit this is relates to the the upper limit of vibe coding because of vibe coding because of vibe coding because ultimately coding is carrying out human ultimately coding is carrying out human ultimately coding is carrying out human a human's a human's a human's desires or human desires.

desires or human desires. desires or human desires. >> Yeah. You have to be you have to be >> Yeah. You have to be you have to be >> Yeah. You have to be you have to be specific specific specific about what you want. And so now it's about what you want. And so now it's about what you want. And so now it's like changing to unbuffered output. And like changing to unbuffered output. And like changing to unbuffered output. And like if you don't know what any of that like if you don't know what any of that like if you don't know what any of that means, you're just going to say yes. means, you're just going to say yes. means, you're just going to say yes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, and there's so much implicit Um, and there's so much implicit Um, and there's so much implicit knowledge in the background of our knowledge in the background of our knowledge in the background of our training and our preferences and the training and our preferences and the training and our preferences and the projects preferences and requirements projects preferences and requirements projects preferences and requirements that that that we don't do a good job of expressing we don't do a good job of expressing we don't do a good job of expressing because we don't need to. because we don't need to. because we don't need to. >> Yep. And we're getting a lot of >> Yep. And we're getting a lot of >> Yep. And we're getting a lot of assumptions being made cuz I told it assumptions being made cuz I told it assumptions being made cuz I told it explicitly picked whatever language explicitly picked whatever language explicitly picked whatever language makes you happy. And then now the chart makes you happy. And then now the chart makes you happy. And then now the chart is is is >> this other project I'm Bob coding I I >> this other project I'm Bob coding I I >> this other project I'm Bob coding I I want it to download a bunch of stuff and want it to download a bunch of stuff and want it to download a bunch of stuff and put it in a database. I didn't specify put it in a database. I didn't specify put it in a database. I didn't specify which database. So and it picked my SQL which database. So and it picked my SQL which database. So and it picked my SQL and I'm like if I I'm like oh I didn't and I'm like if I I'm like oh I didn't and I'm like if I I'm like oh I didn't even think I should have I would have even think I should have I would have even think I should have I would have told it to pick Postgress told it to pick Postgress told it to pick Postgress instead. instead. instead. But But But >> well then that's how you start you know >> well then that's how you start you know >> well then that's how you start you know how people carry around their dot files.

how people carry around their dot files. how people carry around their dot files. They keep their bash profile and they They keep their bash profile and they They keep their bash profile and they keep their dot files. You're gonna start keep their dot files. You're gonna start keep their dot files. You're gonna start carrying around prompting, carrying around prompting, carrying around prompting, you know, co-pilot instructions.mmd. you know, co-pilot instructions.mmd. you know, co-pilot instructions.mmd. >> Yeah, I guess I should >> Yeah, I guess I should >> Yeah, I guess I should >> Have you seen those? >> Have you seen those? >> Have you seen those? >> Yeah. Do you have one? >> Yeah. Do you have one? >> Yeah. Do you have one? >> Uh, James Montto Magagno has a great >> Uh, James Montto Magagno has a great >> Uh, James Montto Magagno has a great Mont Magno has a great co-pilot's Mont Magno has a great co-pilot's Mont Magno has a great co-pilot's instructions because he doesn't like it instructions because he doesn't like it instructions because he doesn't like it to talk certain ways and be super yappy. to talk certain ways and be super yappy. to talk certain ways and be super yappy. So, he So, he So, he showed me some on Feedback Flow, which showed me some on Feedback Flow, which showed me some on Feedback Flow, which is his app that he's been vibing And I is his app that he's been vibing And I is his app that he's been vibing And I believe it's under VS. Uh, where is it? believe it's under VS. Uh, where is it? believe it's under VS. Uh, where is it? Uh, Uh, Uh, how do you Let me see if I can search how do you Let me see if I can search how do you Let me see if I can search this whole thing. Copilot instructions. Sorry, not much of a typer. Sorry, not much of a typer. Instructions. Instructions. Instructions. >> There's no spell check on that input. >> There's no spell check on that input. >> There's no spell check on that input. >> I could have rightclicked.

>> I could have rightclicked. >> I could have rightclicked. Here we go. Ah. Uhuh. Uh uh. Here we go. Ah. Uhuh. Uh uh. Here we go. Ah. Uhuh. Uh uh. Yeah. So, there's agitub folder. That's Yeah. So, there's agitub folder. That's Yeah. So, there's agitub folder. That's what it is. Okay. So, you go to GitHub what it is. Okay. So, you go to GitHub what it is. Okay. So, you go to GitHub under prompts. So, he's got an entire under prompts. So, he's got an entire under prompts. So, he's got an entire This is more spec driven development. This is more spec driven development. This is more spec driven development. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So, we just asked it one paragraph. He >> So, we just asked it one paragraph. He >> So, we just asked it one paragraph. He has this guide outlines a step in in has this guide outlines a step in in has this guide outlines a step in in it's basically instructions for anyone it's basically instructions for anyone it's basically instructions for anyone how he wants the components created, how how he wants the components created, how how he wants the components created, how he wants it tested, how he wants the he wants it tested, how he wants the he wants it tested, how he wants the docs, best practices. docs, best practices. docs, best practices. Mhm. And he carries that around. This is Mhm. And he carries that around. This is Mhm. And he carries that around. This is what you need to do. You really need to what you need to do. You really need to what you need to do. You really need to you can even vibe this. you can even vibe this. you can even vibe this. Okay. And then above that, he's got Okay. And then above that, he's got Okay. And then above that, he's got co-pilot instructions which indicates co-pilot instructions which indicates co-pilot instructions which indicates his best practices for styling. Use his best practices for styling. Use his best practices for styling. Use Bootstrap. always do this, always do Bootstrap. always do this, always do Bootstrap. always do this, always do that, use themes. This is the missing that, use themes. This is the missing that, use themes. This is the missing piece for people who are vibing, piece for people who are vibing, piece for people who are vibing, >> which is what you and I have been doing >> which is what you and I have been doing >> which is what you and I have been doing and what is truly specificationdriven and what is truly specificationdriven and what is truly specificationdriven development where development where development where >> he has preferences for code style. And >> he has preferences for code style. And >> he has preferences for code style. And then if you go to workflows, then if you go to workflows, then if you go to workflows, >> this is all the generated prompts for >> this is all the generated prompts for >> this is all the generated prompts for GitHub, but everything gets stored in GitHub, but everything gets stored in GitHub, but everything gets stored in here and he carries this along for for here and he carries this along for for here and he carries this along for for wherever he wants to go. error handling, wherever he wants to go. error handling, wherever he wants to go. error handling, performance, documentation, performance, documentation, performance, documentation, and he gets really, really, really cool and he gets really, really, really cool and he gets really, really, really cool uh uh uh results. So then the app that he made, I results. So then the app that he made, I results. So then the app that he made, I think I showed you this think I showed you this think I showed you this >> here. I haven't seen that.

>> here. I haven't seen that. >> here. I haven't seen that. >> Right. So then we could go and find an >> Right. So then we could go and find an >> Right. So then we could go and find an episode that we did. So here's self-promotion. So here's self-promotion. Go back over here. Drop it in. Hit Go back over here. Drop it in. Hit Go back over here. Drop it in. Hit analyze. analyze. analyze. It's got 25 comments. So, it's going to It's got 25 comments. So, it's going to It's got 25 comments. So, it's going to go and build a report based on whether go and build a report based on whether go and build a report based on whether or not people like the episode. or not people like the episode. or not people like the episode. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Positive with mixed feelings. >> Positive with mixed feelings. >> Positive with mixed feelings. >> What's that mean? >> What's that mean? >> What's that mean? >> I think it misunderstood. >> I don't know. I'd have to go and read >> I don't know. I'd have to go and read the comment. Right. the comment. Right. the comment. Right. >> Sections confusing. Nuanced balance >> Sections confusing. Nuanced balance >> Sections confusing. Nuanced balance between genuine sharing and between genuine sharing and between genuine sharing and self-promotion spark discussion. That's self-promotion spark discussion. That's self-promotion spark discussion. That's good. Where can viewers watch the talk? good. Where can viewers watch the talk? good. Where can viewers watch the talk? They're editing it. They're editing it. They're editing it. >> I actually um I he when he did this, he >> I actually um I he when he did this, he >> I actually um I he when he did this, he um let me know about it and I went and um let me know about it and I went and um let me know about it and I went and played with it a little bit and then played with it a little bit and then played with it a little bit and then looked at the AI's summarization of looked at the AI's summarization of looked at the AI's summarization of comments and there can be five comments comments and there can be five comments comments and there can be five comments and it will and it will and it will >> summarize it in a way that makes it seem >> summarize it in a way that makes it seem >> summarize it in a way that makes it seem like, oh, lots of people thought this like, oh, lots of people thought this like, oh, lots of people thought this and lots of other people thought that.

and lots of other people thought that. and lots of other people thought that. >> That's good. >> That's good. >> That's good. That's a great point because you don't That's a great point because you don't That's a great point because you don't Yeah, it it it's treating it as 10,000 Yeah, it it it's treating it as 10,000 Yeah, it it it's treating it as 10,000 comments or five is is report worthy. If comments or five is is report worthy. If comments or five is is report worthy. If it has less than five or 10, it should it has less than five or 10, it should it has less than five or 10, it should maybe just be explicit about if maybe just be explicit about if maybe just be explicit about if >> one person said this, one other person >> one person said this, one other person >> one person said this, one other person said that rather than there was a mixed said that rather than there was a mixed said that rather than there was a mixed sentiment, you know, sentiment, you know, sentiment, you know, >> Yeah, it's a great point. So, it looks >> Yeah, it's a great point. So, it looks >> Yeah, it's a great point. So, it looks like this is done. Uh we'll call it like this is done. Uh we'll call it like this is done. Uh we'll call it we'll look at the last one and we'll we'll look at the last one and we'll we'll look at the last one and we'll we'll we'll call it a show. we'll we'll call it a show. we'll we'll call it a show. So, that's the final. By the way, So, that's the final. By the way, So, that's the final. By the way, speaking of uh self-promotion and and speaking of uh self-promotion and and speaking of uh self-promotion and and YouTube videos, I just posted a a YouTube videos, I just posted a a YouTube videos, I just posted a a montage of all of the montage of all of the montage of all of the >> uh memory optimized servers that I've >> uh memory optimized servers that I've >> uh memory optimized servers that I've shown in Ignite and Build Talks over the shown in Ignite and Build Talks over the shown in Ignite and Build Talks over the years, including uh with with uh clips years, including uh with with uh clips years, including uh with with uh clips of the games that I've played on them of the games that I've played on them of the games that I've played on them um on Task Manager because Task Manager um on Task Manager because Task Manager um on Task Manager because Task Manager on a machine. on a machine. on a machine. >> Oh, right. Right. You know, it's 100 >> Oh, right. Right. You know, it's 100 >> Oh, right. Right. You know, it's 100 cores, you're starting to get into size cores, you're starting to get into size cores, you're starting to get into size that has a a display that can be a pixel that has a a display that can be a pixel that has a a display that can be a pixel display for making, you know, playing display for making, you know, playing display for making, you know, playing >> do that show. We never did our playing >> do that show. We never did our playing >> do that show. We never did our playing Doom and Task Manager show.

Doom and Task Manager show. Doom and Task Manager show. >> Yeah. So, that that video is up now. So, >> Yeah. So, that that video is up now. So, >> Yeah. So, that that video is up now. So, I've got Pongs, I've got Pongs, I've got Pongs, Space Invader. Space Invader. Space Invader. >> That's on your YouTube, >> That's on your YouTube, >> That's on your YouTube, >> Breakout. Yeah, it's on my >> Breakout. Yeah, it's on my >> Breakout. Yeah, it's on my >> Okay, we'll put we'll put a link in the >> Okay, we'll put we'll put a link in the >> Okay, we'll put we'll put a link in the show notes. show notes. show notes. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> cool. I guess I got to plug this in now. >> cool. I guess I got to plug this in now. >> cool. I guess I got to plug this in now. I need to upload this file. So, I got to I need to upload this file. So, I got to I need to upload this file. So, I got to >> Wait, did this in I didn't see the >> Wait, did this in I didn't see the >> Wait, did this in I didn't see the interactive thing. interactive thing. interactive thing. >> Uh, they didn't make an interactive one. >> Uh, they didn't make an interactive one. >> Uh, they didn't make an interactive one. >> What? I thought it was >> What? I thought it was >> What? I thought it was >> It It implied that it was going to do it >> It It implied that it was going to do it >> It It implied that it was going to do it and then it went off and it just made a and then it went off and it just made a and then it went off and it just made a better PNG. better PNG. better PNG. >> Oh, let's see the better PNG. >> Oh, let's see the better PNG. >> Oh, let's see the better PNG. >> It doesn't feel better. >> It doesn't feel better. >> It doesn't feel better. I'll show you. I'll show you. I'll show you. Uh, uhuh. What I was going to do next Uh, uhuh. What I was going to do next Uh, uhuh. What I was going to do next was tell it to make a um a D3JS New York was tell it to make a um a D3JS New York was tell it to make a um a D3JS New York Times style interactive version. Times style interactive version. Times style interactive version. >> It looks the same. >> It looks the same. >> It looks the same. >> Yeah, it looks the same. It's a lot of >> Yeah, it looks the same. It's a lot of >> Yeah, it looks the same. It's a lot of work for nothing. work for nothing. work for nothing. >> Are you sure it's a different one? >> Are you sure it's a different one? >> Are you sure it's a different one? >> Well, we can go and we can look at >> Well, we can go and we can look at >> Well, we can go and we can look at that's the only one that exists.

that's the only one that exists. that's the only one that exists. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And all right, >> And all right, >> And all right, >> it's from a few minutes ago. So, uh, >> it's from a few minutes ago. So, uh, >> it's from a few minutes ago. So, uh, let's just summarize here. We did some let's just summarize here. We did some let's just summarize here. We did some vibing vibing vibing and we, um, saw that you speak way more and we, um, saw that you speak way more and we, um, saw that you speak way more than me, as I suspected. 50% more than than me, as I suspected. 50% more than than me, as I suspected. 50% more than me. >> I'm going to run it again. See if maybe >> I'm going to run it again. See if maybe for and also, for and also, for and also, you know, highlighted a lack of you know, highlighted a lack of you know, highlighted a lack of self-awareness on your part. This is the part where the people say This is the part where the people say that I'm mean to you. >> All right, it's running it again from >> All right, it's running it again from scratch just for freshness. scratch just for freshness. scratch just for freshness. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> I will need to There you go. We'll need >> I will need to There you go. We'll need >> I will need to There you go. We'll need to run it. Um, to run it. Um, to run it. Um, wow. It's even running like test. Look, wow. It's even running like test. Look, wow. It's even running like test. Look, it's actually checking the time of the it's actually checking the time of the it's actually checking the time of the analysis. analysis. analysis. That's awesome. That's awesome. That's awesome. I love the use of emoji as well. I love the use of emoji as well. I love the use of emoji as well. >> Yeah. All right, let's take a look.

>> Yeah. All right, let's take a look. >> Yeah. All right, let's take a look. >> Um, did you notice its tick that it's >> Um, did you notice its tick that it's >> Um, did you notice its tick that it's got when you point out it did something got when you point out it did something got when you point out it did something wrong? wrong? wrong? >> What is that? What is the >> What is that? What is the >> What is that? What is the >> You're absolutely right. >> You're absolutely right. >> You're absolutely right. >> Oh, yeah. It's very generous and very >> Oh, yeah. It's very generous and very >> Oh, yeah. It's very generous and very >> it says it say I found that it's you >> it says it say I found that it's you >> it says it say I found that it's you know it can say a few exclamatory you know it can say a few exclamatory you know it can say a few exclamatory you know confirmations of what you told it know confirmations of what you told it know confirmations of what you told it >> but the one go to is you're absolutely >> but the one go to is you're absolutely >> but the one go to is you're absolutely right right right which makes me feel really smart. >> There you go. >> There you go. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I will uh I will upload that but I think >> I will uh I will upload that but I think >> I will uh I will upload that but I think that's pretty cool. that's pretty cool. that's pretty cool. >> How's that any better? That's co-pilot >> How's that any better? That's co-pilot >> How's that any better? That's co-pilot and agent mode. and agent mode. and agent mode. >> Yeah. I mean, it's really cool that we >> Yeah. I mean, it's really cool that we >> Yeah. I mean, it's really cool that we just took random unstructured data and just took random unstructured data and just took random unstructured data and have charts that answered our question have charts that answered our question have charts that answered our question in just a few minutes in just a few minutes in just a few minutes >> with no voding. It's pretty awesome. >> with no voding. It's pretty awesome. >> with no voding. It's pretty awesome. >> And you can ask questions like that >> And you can ask questions like that >> And you can ask questions like that about I could go through a thousand about I could go through a thousand about I could go through a thousand episodes of my podcast and see if I'm episodes of my podcast and see if I'm episodes of my podcast and see if I'm talking more than the guests cuz that talking more than the guests cuz that talking more than the guests cuz that could be something I could definitely do could be something I could definitely do could be something I could definitely do to improve to improve to improve >> next episode. Let's see what >> next episode. Let's see what >> next episode. Let's see what >> and then I want to see the interactive >> and then I want to see the interactive >> and then I want to see the interactive uh uh uh uh website. What would it be like if it uh website. What would it be like if it uh website. What would it be like if it was interactive? What would it look like was interactive? What would it look like was interactive? What would it look like if it was interactive? I'll tell it to if it was interactive? I'll tell it to if it was interactive? I'll tell it to start and it'll work overnight.

start and it'll work overnight. start and it'll work overnight. >> Ask it. Ask it what interactive one >> Ask it. Ask it what interactive one >> Ask it. Ask it what interactive one should look like. See, should look like. See, should look like. See, >> could you make this more interactive >> could you make this more interactive >> could you make this more interactive like a New York Times D3JS kind of a like a New York Times D3JS kind of a like a New York Times D3JS kind of a thing? I want to be able to filter and thing? I want to be able to filter and thing? I want to be able to filter and rotate and change the thing in real rotate and change the thing in real rotate and change the thing in real time. So, it would be less of a PNG and time. So, it would be less of a PNG and time. So, it would be less of a PNG and more of an interactive website. That's more of an interactive website. That's more of an interactive website. That's all client side. >> So, you were very unspecific. It's like >> So, you were very unspecific. It's like go go go >> well d New York Times D3JS is pretty >> well d New York Times D3JS is pretty >> well d New York Times D3JS is pretty >> specific because the filtering things >> specific because the filtering things >> specific because the filtering things like you didn't say what you wanted to like you didn't say what you wanted to like you didn't say what you wanted to filter or why or filter or why or filter or why or >> Oh, I see. That's a valid point and >> Oh, I see. That's a valid point and >> Oh, I see. That's a valid point and that's that's the difference between that's that's the difference between that's that's the difference between vibe coding and spec because I need to vibe coding and spec because I need to vibe coding and spec because I need to walk around and think about the walk around and think about the walk around and think about the specification because I don't know. This specification because I don't know. This specification because I don't know. This is a great point and we should end on is a great point and we should end on is a great point and we should end on this. I don't know what I want this to this. I don't know what I want this to this. I don't know what I want this to look like. look like. look like. >> I'll know it when I see it. Do you >> I'll know it when I see it. Do you >> I'll know it when I see it. Do you remember I talked about I view remember I talked about I view remember I talked about I view programming as sculpting? programming as sculpting? programming as sculpting? >> Oh yeah, that's a great point. >> Oh yeah, that's a great point. >> Oh yeah, that's a great point. >> And actually in Mark's CD that we talked >> And actually in Mark's CD that we talked >> And actually in Mark's CD that we talked about, I sculpted it because as I was about, I sculpted it because as I was about, I sculpted it because as I was using it, I'm like, "No, I needed to do using it, I'm like, "No, I needed to do using it, I'm like, "No, I needed to do this." No, now I want to do this. I this." No, now I want to do this. I this." No, now I want to do this. I couldn't have specked the whole thing up couldn't have specked the whole thing up couldn't have specked the whole thing up front.

front. front. >> Yeah, that's a good point. I I would I >> Yeah, that's a good point. I I would I >> Yeah, that's a good point. I I would I like that. Sculpting is a great a great like that. Sculpting is a great a great like that. Sculpting is a great a great analogy. Mark and Scott learned to analogy. Mark and Scott learned to analogy. Mark and Scott learned to sculpt. That's the show. Um because I sculpt. That's the show. Um because I sculpt. That's the show. Um because I sculpted that that uh that study guide sculpted that that uh that study guide sculpted that that uh that study guide because the closer that I got to what I because the closer that I got to what I because the closer that I got to what I wanted, the more I knew where the wanted, the more I knew where the wanted, the more I knew where the details would go once I had details would go once I had details would go once I had >> for me. >> for me. >> for me. >> Yeah, that's good. All right, I report >> Yeah, that's good. All right, I report >> Yeah, that's good. All right, I report back and check this in as soon as it's back and check this in as soon as it's back and check this in as soon as it's done. done. done. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. Like and subscribe if you >> All right. Like and subscribe if you >> All right. Like and subscribe if you made it this far. Smash that bell. This made it this far. Smash that bell. This made it this far. Smash that bell. This may have been two episodes. I think may have been two episodes. I think may have been two episodes. I think we're going to cut this in half. Part we're going to cut this in half. Part we're going to cut this in half. Part one and part two. Thanks to Rob for one and part two. Thanks to Rob for one and part two. Thanks to Rob for producing producing producing >> to watch it >> to watch it >> to watch it and and and >> what's that? >> what's that? >> what's that? >> Tell tell your friends and family to >> Tell tell your friends and family to >> Tell tell your friends and family to watch this. Like it. watch this. Like it. watch this. Like it. >> Absolutely. Nontechnical parent will get >> Absolutely. Nontechnical parent will get >> Absolutely. Nontechnical parent will get a lot out of this show. a lot out of this show. a lot out of this show. >> Yep. >> Yeah, that's who I was referring to. >> Yeah, that's who I was referring to. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, you should take credit for having Claude you should take credit for having Claude you should take credit for having Claude do all the work for you. I need to do all the work for you. I need to do all the work for you. I need to figure out the command line for not figure out the command line for not figure out the command line for not pressing continue because I feel like pressing continue because I feel like pressing continue because I feel like I'm working so hard pressing continue I'm working so hard pressing continue I'm working so hard pressing continue here.

here. here. >> There's not a command line. It's a it's >> There's not a command line. It's a it's >> There's not a command line. It's a it's go into your preferences for settings UX and you need to type in and you need to type in in the JSON file. You need to type in in the JSON file. You need to type in in the JSON file. You need to type in uh where is it? uh where is it? uh where is it? >> Just do it. >> Just do it. >> Just do it. >> Oh, I didn't do it in this one. >> Oh, I didn't do it in this one. >> Oh, I didn't do it in this one. >> Agent run tasks. No. >> Agent run tasks. No. >> Agent run tasks. No. >> Local override scopes always >> Local override scopes always >> Local override scopes always uh ask that you set to false. I think uh ask that you set to false. I think uh ask that you set to false. I think I'd have to go find it. I'd have to go find it. I'd have to go find it. >> Yeah, there's something I need to do to >> Yeah, there's something I need to do to >> Yeah, there's something I need to do to turn it on to tell it um I trust you for turn it on to tell it um I trust you for turn it on to tell it um I trust you for most for the most part. most for the most part. most for the most part. >> Yep. Um yeah. So go set that setting. yeah. So go set that setting. >> Yeah, I'll figure it out. >> Yeah, I'll figure it out. >> Yeah, I'll figure it out. um which is instrument as opposed to um which is instrument as opposed to um which is instrument as opposed to claude code which when it does a a new claude code which when it does a a new claude code which when it does a a new shell command a unique one with this shell command a unique one with this shell command a unique one with this with certain command line parameters it with certain command line parameters it with certain command line parameters it asks you about that one specifically asks you about that one specifically asks you about that one specifically whether you want it just that time whether you want it just that time whether you want it just that time always to let it do that one always to let it do that one always to let it do that one >> which which seems nice but it's also >> which which seems nice but it's also >> which which seems nice but it's also also somewhat blunt because it's like oh also somewhat blunt because it's like oh also somewhat blunt because it's like oh I want to go ahead and you know reformat I want to go ahead and you know reformat I want to go ahead and you know reformat your hard drive can I do that in the your hard drive can I do that in the your hard drive can I do that in the future at all times you know it's it's future at all times you know it's it's future at all times you know it's it's each unique new command line each unique new command line each unique new command line >> um I noticed that claude >> um I noticed that claude >> um I noticed that claude code is restricts there's restrictions code is restricts there's restrictions code is restricts there's restrictions on it not being able to go outside the on it not being able to go outside the on it not being able to go outside the root directory it started in so it can root directory it started in so it can root directory it started in so it can it's scope of damage is that directory it's scope of damage is that directory it's scope of damage is that directory and and and subdirectories only subdirectories only subdirectories only see this is funny it's trying to open

see this is funny it's trying to open see this is funny it's trying to open the file the file the file as a file rather than um as a file rather than um as a file rather than um running it on an HTTP web server so this running it on an HTTP web server so this running it on an HTTP web server so this is not going to work cuz it's going to is not going to work cuz it's going to is not going to work cuz it's going to have all kinds have all kinds have all kinds [Music] [Music] [Music] Yeah, we'll figure this out. We got to Yeah, we'll figure this out. We got to Yeah, we'll figure this out. We got to We got to go. We got to call this a We got to go. We got to call this a We got to go. We got to call this a show. All right, show. All right, show. All right, >> cool. All right, friends. Thank you for >> cool. All right, friends. Thank you for >> cool. All right, friends. Thank you for watching Mark and Scott learn to uh watching Mark and Scott learn to uh watching Mark and Scott learn to uh sculpt on this episode.