Scott & Mark Learn To...Enjoy the Journey

And dude, do you remember And dude, do you remember uh uh uh >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> alternative data streams? >> alternative data streams? >> alternative data streams? >> Do I remember? Do you know that the >> Do I remember? Do you know that the >> Do I remember? Do you know that the number one tool for looking at them is? number one tool for looking at them is? number one tool for looking at them is? >> That's you, baby. >> That's you, baby. >> That's you, baby. >> The Sysinternals tool. >> The Sysinternals tool. >> The Sysinternals tool. >> So, it's funny that you mentioned that. >> So, it's funny that you mentioned that. >> So, it's funny that you mentioned that. So, I wrote an article So, I wrote an article So, I wrote an article in 20 in 20 in 20 2007 2007 2007 about about about alternative data streams. And if we go alternative data streams. And if we go alternative data streams. And if we go over to my blog and we search for over to my blog and we search for over to my blog and we search for alternative alternative alternative data streams. This is more We're going data streams. This is more We're going data streams. This is more We're going to end up finding me thinking what a to end up finding me thinking what a to end up finding me thinking what a cool guy you are. cool guy you are. cool guy you are. >> Was this the one that I saw where you >> Was this the one that I saw where you >> Was this the one that I saw where you talked about it? talked about it? talked about it? >> Probably streams. Yeah. There it is. >> Probably streams. Yeah. There it is. >> Probably streams. Yeah. There it is. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> Is that the Wait, did we You showed me >> Is that the Wait, did we You showed me >> Is that the Wait, did we You showed me this. this. this. >> No, this is yet another place where I >> No, this is yet another place where I >> No, this is yet another place where I bumped into you 20 years ago. This is 19 bumped into you 20 years ago. This is 19 bumped into you 20 years ago. This is 19 years ago. years ago. years ago. >> [music] >> It's facts, dude. I was working >> It's facts, dude. I was working Literally, what happened was Here's Literally, what happened was Here's Literally, what happened was Here's what's going on. We can just talk about what's going on. We can just talk about what's going on. We can just talk about this. We're talking about it. It doesn't this. We're talking about it. It doesn't this. We're talking about it. It doesn't matter. It's about Sysinternals, but matter. It's about Sysinternals, but matter. It's about Sysinternals, but it's more about my network. So, it's more about my network. So, it's more about my network. So, I am currently copying files over to my I am currently copying files over to my I am currently copying files over to my new NAS.

new NAS. new NAS. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> I got 63 terabytes of space. Right now, >> I got 63 terabytes of space. Right now, >> I got 63 terabytes of space. Right now, I've succeeded in copying 17 terabytes I've succeeded in copying 17 terabytes I've succeeded in copying 17 terabytes over. over. over. And it's got like And it's got like And it's got like It got, you know, terabyte of photos, It got, you know, terabyte of photos, It got, you know, terabyte of photos, terabyte of videos, I'm you know, some terabyte of videos, I'm you know, some terabyte of videos, I'm you know, some movies. It's all moving its way over movies. It's all moving its way over movies. It's all moving its way over there right now. there right now. there right now. And I've got right now, it's OCR-ing and And I've got right now, it's OCR-ing and And I've got right now, it's OCR-ing and doing facial recognition on all of my doing facial recognition on all of my doing facial recognition on all of my stuff. stuff. stuff. In the copying In the copying In the copying in the copying in the copying in the copying uh let's go to my current blog right uh let's go to my current blog right uh let's go to my current blog right here. here. here. I ended up getting some fails cuz I'm I ended up getting some fails cuz I'm I ended up getting some fails cuz I'm using I was using Robocopy. And I would using I was using Robocopy. And I would using I was using Robocopy. And I would get this random thing where it would go get this random thing where it would go get this random thing where it would go like this like this like this and it would pause at and it would pause at and it would pause at 95% and then fail. 95% and then fail. 95% and then fail. 92% and it what was happening was it was 92% and it what was happening was it was 92% and it what was happening was it was copying a 4 meg file and then it would copying a 4 meg file and then it would copying a 4 meg file and then it would skip on this here because the file skip on this here because the file skip on this here because the file system I'm copying to is system I'm copying to is system I'm copying to is like EXT4 or ButterFS and it doesn't like EXT4 or ButterFS and it doesn't like EXT4 or ButterFS and it doesn't support alternate data streams. So I'm support alternate data streams. So I'm support alternate data streams. So I'm like, what is this data stream? Like like, what is this data stream? Like like, what is this data stream? Like what's freaking in there? If only there what's freaking in there? If only there what's freaking in there? If only there were a way were a way were a way to look at that. So here's me in 2003, to look at that. So here's me in 2003, to look at that. So here's me in 2003, 23 years ago, 23 years ago, 23 years ago, talking about freaking Russinovich talking about freaking Russinovich talking about freaking Russinovich >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> and all of the magical things he does >> and all of the magical things he does >> and all of the magical things he does and just I'm just such a freaking and just I'm just such a freaking and just I'm just such a freaking sycophant. It's the worst. sycophant. It's the worst. sycophant. It's the worst. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> And I was talking in 23 years ago about >> And I was talking in 23 years ago about >> And I was talking in 23 years ago about freeing yourself from the tyranny of the freeing yourself from the tyranny of the freeing yourself from the tyranny of the alternate data stream. alternate data stream. alternate data stream. And I'm I'm doing this And I'm I'm doing this And I'm I'm doing this and ended up then it got into a whole and ended up then it got into a whole and ended up then it got into a whole thing. So I did alternate data streams, thing. So I did alternate data streams, thing. So I did alternate data streams, fixed it. fixed it. fixed it. Removed This is how you remove alternate Removed This is how you remove alternate Removed This is how you remove alternate data streams data streams data streams with RoboCopy. with RoboCopy. with RoboCopy. So then I start going but the copy was So then I start going but the copy was So then I start going but the copy was slow. Now I've moved my family network slow. Now I've moved my family network slow. Now I've moved my family network over to 10 gigabit. So everything's gig over to 10 gigabit. So everything's gig over to 10 gigabit. So everything's gig at 10 gigabit. at 10 gigabit. at 10 gigabit. But I'm I'm not getting 10 gigabit But I'm I'm not getting 10 gigabit But I'm I'm not getting 10 gigabit stuff. I'm getting like stuff. I'm getting like stuff. I'm getting like you know, 200 megs a second which is not you know, 200 megs a second which is not you know, 200 megs a second which is not not awesome. So then I go into threading not awesome. So then I go into threading not awesome. So then I go into threading and then four threads and then eight and then four threads and then eight and then four threads and then eight threads and then large files. threads and then large files. threads and then large files. So I'm going back and forth doing SMB So I'm going back and forth doing SMB So I'm going back and forth doing SMB multi-channel connection multi-channel connection multi-channel connection >> are you telling AI to go figure out how >> are you telling AI to go figure out how >> are you telling AI to go figure out how to make it faster? to make it faster? to make it faster? >> So it's it's interesting you say that >> So it's it's interesting you say that >> So it's it's interesting you say that because as soon as I hit the alternate because as soon as I hit the alternate because as soon as I hit the alternate data stream thing, I went Googling and data stream thing, I went Googling and data stream thing, I went Googling and found my own freaking blog.

found my own freaking blog. found my own freaking blog. So then I go like, okay, this is weird. So then I go like, okay, this is weird. So then I go like, okay, this is weird. So I go into ChatGPT and I start talking So I go into ChatGPT and I start talking So I go into ChatGPT and I start talking to it. to it. to it. I didn't do this authentically. So I I didn't do this authentically. So I I didn't do this authentically. So I typed everything. typed everything. typed everything. >> Why? >> Why? >> Why? >> I didn't want to simply say This is >> I didn't want to simply say This is >> I didn't want to simply say This is being honest with you. I didn't want to being honest with you. I didn't want to being honest with you. I didn't want to just say figure it out and make it fast. just say figure it out and make it fast. just say figure it out and make it fast. I want to I want to understand how to I want to I want to understand how to I want to I want to understand how to correctly move from my old NAS to my new correctly move from my old NAS to my new correctly move from my old NAS to my new NAS. NAS. NAS. >> Why? >> Why? >> Why? >> [sighs] >> [sighs] >> [sighs] >> It's >> It's >> It's It's less about the utility of it and It's less about the utility of it and It's less about the utility of it and more about the like more about the like more about the like the fun of having a kit car in your the fun of having a kit car in your the fun of having a kit car in your garage and building it. garage and building it. garage and building it. >> I understand this network. I It took me >> I understand this network. I It took me >> I understand this network. I It took me 4 hours and then I kicked it off 4 hours and then I kicked it off 4 hours and then I kicked it off overnight. overnight. overnight. I did a bunch of fails. I learned about I did a bunch of fails. I learned about I did a bunch of fails. I learned about SMB multi-channel connection. I have My SMB multi-channel connection. I have My SMB multi-channel connection. I have My old NAS has four 1 gig ports and my new old NAS has four 1 gig ports and my new old NAS has four 1 gig ports and my new NAS has one 10 gig port. NAS has one 10 gig port. NAS has one 10 gig port. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So I wanted to see if I could >> So I wanted to see if I could >> So I wanted to see if I could parallelize parallelize parallelize that and get the maximum 4 gig. I was that and get the maximum 4 gig. I was that and get the maximum 4 gig. I was doing math to figure out how fast a 7200 doing math to figure out how fast a 7200 doing math to figure out how fast a 7200 RPM NAS drive can spin.

RPM NAS drive can spin. RPM NAS drive can spin. You know, 7200 RPM turns out. Um You know, 7200 RPM turns out. Um You know, 7200 RPM turns out. Um and you know, like what's the max? So and you know, like what's the max? So and you know, like what's the max? So can I get can I get can I get 250 megs 250 megs 250 megs a second off of this thing and how much a second off of this thing and how much a second off of this thing and how much could I potentially saturate the thing? could I potentially saturate the thing? could I potentially saturate the thing? If I had just said agentically figure it If I had just said agentically figure it If I had just said agentically figure it out, out, out, I would have felt I would have felt I would have felt like I had arrived at my destination but like I had arrived at my destination but like I had arrived at my destination but did not enjoy the journey. did not enjoy the journey. did not enjoy the journey. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> So I >> So I >> So I It was a partnership and I answered It was a partnership and I answered It was a partnership and I answered questions but then the questions but then the questions but then the freaking chat GPT thing keeps blinking freaking chat GPT thing keeps blinking freaking chat GPT thing keeps blinking to my own damn blog. to my own damn blog. to my own damn blog. So like six different times it's finding So like six different times it's finding So like six different times it's finding stuff I did 20 years ago that I'd stuff I did 20 years ago that I'd stuff I did 20 years ago that I'd forgotten forgotten forgotten and then was using it as grounding. So and then was using it as grounding. So and then was using it as grounding. So that was kind of cool. that was kind of cool. that was kind of cool. It knows about streams by the way. It knows about streams by the way. It knows about streams by the way. Uh Uh Uh But yeah, the migration was fun. There But yeah, the migration was fun. There But yeah, the migration was fun. There was a bunch of things about speed, about was a bunch of things about speed, about was a bunch of things about speed, about small copying a ton of small files small copying a ton of small files small copying a ton of small files versus copying a bunch of big files. versus copying a bunch of big files. versus copying a bunch of big files. And um it scratched my brain. I haven't And um it scratched my brain. I haven't And um it scratched my brain. I haven't thought about alternative data streams thought about alternative data streams thought about alternative data streams in in in 15 years.

15 years. 15 years. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And I had not not one but three or four >> And I had not not one but three or four >> And I had not not one but three or four uh blog posts about it. uh blog posts about it. uh blog posts about it. >> Uh >> Uh >> Uh Yeah, I would have just told AI to go Yeah, I would have just told AI to go Yeah, I would have just told AI to go fix it for me. fix it for me. fix it for me. >> I know, but that's you. >> I know, but that's you. >> I know, but that's you. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Why why why you you you you draw you >> Why why why you you you you draw you >> Why why why you you you you draw you draw your talented artist. draw your talented artist. draw your talented artist. You could just have AI do it. You could just have AI do it. You could just have AI do it. >> That's true. >> That's true. >> That's true. That's true. That's true. That's true. This is your art. This is your art. This is your art. >> This is my This it is my art. >> This is my This it is my art. >> This is my This it is my art. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, so 30-year >> Yeah, so 30-year >> Yeah, so 30-year uh Sysinternals. It's literally uh Sysinternals. It's literally uh Sysinternals. It's literally >> mind-blowing to me. >> mind-blowing to me. >> mind-blowing to me. If you'd gone back even 20 years, which If you'd gone back even 20 years, which If you'd gone back even 20 years, which was when was when was when Microsoft acquired Sysinternals in 2006 Microsoft acquired Sysinternals in 2006 Microsoft acquired Sysinternals in 2006 and said and said and said 20 years from now 20 years from now 20 years from now Autoruns will still be a thing. Autoruns will still be a thing. Autoruns will still be a thing. >> Level >> Level >> Level >> Dimmit will still be a thing. >> Dimmit will still be a thing. >> Dimmit will still be a thing. Like Like Like I would have just said that you're out I would have just said that you're out I would have just said that you're out of your mind. There's no way. We'll of your mind. There's no way. We'll of your mind. There's no way. We'll we'll have flying cars by then. Nobody we'll have flying cars by then. Nobody we'll have flying cars by then. Nobody will be will be will be using thing things like this.

using thing things like this. using thing things like this. Actually Actually Actually I think AI is going to have a big effect I think AI is going to have a big effect I think AI is going to have a big effect on on the tools because the tools won't on on the tools because the tools won't on on the tools because the tools won't be for humans anymore. They'll be for be for humans anymore. They'll be for be for humans anymore. They'll be for AI. But AI. But AI. But >> It's funny that you mention that because >> It's funny that you mention that because >> It's funny that you mention that because one of the one of my favorite tools I've one of the one of my favorite tools I've one of the one of my favorite tools I've used it for 20 years is Debug View. used it for 20 years is Debug View. used it for 20 years is Debug View. >> Yeah, and we're using it, too. Like >> Yeah, and we're using it, too. Like >> Yeah, and we're using it, too. Like Debug Debug Debug >> now I'm using it as an MCP server and >> now I'm using it as an MCP server and >> now I'm using it as an MCP server and it's a CLI and it's a delight. it's a CLI and it's a delight. it's a CLI and it's a delight. >> So, well, you're using it as a skill or >> So, well, you're using it as a skill or >> So, well, you're using it as a skill or an MCP server? an MCP server? an MCP server? >> Well, first you made me an MCP one and >> Well, first you made me an MCP one and >> Well, first you made me an MCP one and then we talked about whether it should then we talked about whether it should then we talked about whether it should be a CLI or not. I don't have a skill. I be a CLI or not. I don't have a skill. I be a CLI or not. I don't have a skill. I just tell it to use the CLI. It pokes just tell it to use the CLI. It pokes just tell it to use the CLI. It pokes around. It goes dash dash help. around. It goes dash dash help. around. It goes dash dash help. >> it out. Yeah, you don't need the skill. >> it out. Yeah, you don't need the skill. >> it out. Yeah, you don't need the skill. It It It skills it. Yeah. skills it. Yeah. skills it. Yeah. >> Um >> Um >> Um Yeah, so yeah, it doesn't need to be an Yeah, so yeah, it doesn't need to be an Yeah, so yeah, it doesn't need to be an MCP server. And I think we had this MCP server. And I think we had this MCP server. And I think we had this debate before about when do you when debate before about when do you when debate before about when do you when when ZAP CMP matter versus skills when ZAP CMP matter versus skills when ZAP CMP matter versus skills matter. matter. matter. >> Where where does the tool multiplexer >> Where where does the tool multiplexer >> Where where does the tool multiplexer appear? Where does the tool router appear? Where does the tool router appear? Where does the tool router appear and should you appear and should you appear and should you keep all that crap. Like I had a folder keep all that crap. Like I had a folder keep all that crap. Like I had a folder called utils called utils called utils where I a couple of times a year I go where I a couple of times a year I go where I a couple of times a year I go and download sysinternals.zip and I and download sysinternals.zip and I and download sysinternals.zip and I unzip it into utils.

unzip it into utils. unzip it into utils. >> Like why don't you use winget? >> Like why don't you use winget? >> Like why don't you use winget? >> Even though I've been because I've been >> Even though I've been because I've been >> Even though I've been because I've been doing it for decades. doing it for decades. doing it for decades. I have been carrying that file around I have been carrying that file around I have been carrying that file around the utils.zip. the utils.zip. the utils.zip. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And the first thing you do when you set >> And the first thing you do when you set >> And the first thing you do when you set up a new machine I up a new machine I up a new machine I >> You did winget or the Microsoft Store? >> You did winget or the Microsoft Store? >> You did winget or the Microsoft Store? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> There's a million ways to do it. >> There's a million ways to do it. >> There's a million ways to do it. >> Yeah. They would update on that. >> Yeah. They would update on that. >> Yeah. They would update on that. >> because I actually have Turns out I have >> because I actually have Turns out I have >> because I actually have Turns out I have five or six copies of ZoomIt. five or six copies of ZoomIt. five or six copies of ZoomIt. Uh Uh Uh >> And you don't know which one's >> And you don't know which one's >> And you don't know which one's >> I don't know which one's which and then >> I don't know which one's which and then >> I don't know which one's which and then every once in a while I'll try to like every once in a while I'll try to like every once in a while I'll try to like Remember when you added some feature cuz Remember when you added some feature cuz Remember when you added some feature cuz I wanted K for black and it was I wanted K for black and it was I wanted K for black and it was and you changed the blacking out of the and you changed the blacking out of the and you changed the blacking out of the screen and I was like, "Oh, I have to screen and I was like, "Oh, I have to screen and I was like, "Oh, I have to run that ZoomIt and not this ZoomIt." run that ZoomIt and not this ZoomIt." run that ZoomIt and not this ZoomIt." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Or the yeah. >> Or the yeah. >> Or the yeah. >> There are people going to make >> There are people going to make >> There are people going to make troubleshooting tools for humans. troubleshooting tools for humans. troubleshooting tools for humans. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, one of the other things I think is Well, one of the other things I think is Well, one of the other things I think is interesting to talk about is that interesting to talk about is that interesting to talk about is that sometimes Windows is a big target and sometimes Windows is a big target and sometimes Windows is a big target and there are tools that people make because there are tools that people make because there are tools that people make because they want a tool. Like just Linux things they want a tool. Like just Linux things they want a tool. Like just Linux things and then sometimes they become, you and then sometimes they become, you and then sometimes they become, you know, top becomes htop and know, top becomes htop and know, top becomes htop and but sometimes people make it as a vote but sometimes people make it as a vote but sometimes people make it as a vote of no confidence against the thing.

of no confidence against the thing. of no confidence against the thing. So [snorts] like there's the guy on So [snorts] like there's the guy on So [snorts] like there's the guy on Twitter who worked on task manager low Twitter who worked on task manager low Twitter who worked on task manager low these many years ago and now he's made these many years ago and now he's made these many years ago and now he's made his own task manager and people are like his own task manager and people are like his own task manager and people are like hating on task manager so they make hating on task manager so they make hating on task manager so they make their own task manager. their own task manager. their own task manager. When you made Sysinternals tools, were When you made Sysinternals tools, were When you made Sysinternals tools, were they a God dang it those freaking guys they a God dang it those freaking guys they a God dang it those freaking guys at Microsoft, those guys and gals at at Microsoft, those guys and gals at at Microsoft, those guys and gals at Microsoft cannot make a tool, I'll make Microsoft cannot make a tool, I'll make Microsoft cannot make a tool, I'll make the tool? the tool? the tool? Or were they a way of aggregating Or were they a way of aggregating Or were they a way of aggregating available APIs cuz some of them used available APIs cuz some of them used available APIs cuz some of them used secret APIs and some of them didn't. Are secret APIs and some of them didn't. Are secret APIs and some of them didn't. Are you you you making them as a way of saying Microsoft making them as a way of saying Microsoft making them as a way of saying Microsoft you should have shipped this this way? you should have shipped this this way? you should have shipped this this way? >> No, that wasn't it wasn't that wasn't my >> No, that wasn't it wasn't that wasn't my >> No, that wasn't it wasn't that wasn't my intent. intent. intent. Um Um Um it was oh, here's some cool APIs. Wonder it was oh, here's some cool APIs. Wonder it was oh, here's some cool APIs. Wonder if I put it to the tool to use these if I put it to the tool to use these if I put it to the tool to use these APIs, what I would see. APIs, what I would see. APIs, what I would see. Um Um Um and this goes to long time ago we had and this goes to long time ago we had and this goes to long time ago we had this conversation about learning and this conversation about learning and this conversation about learning and the kinds of projects that I take on, the kinds of projects that I take on, the kinds of projects that I take on, which I love multi-use projects where which I love multi-use projects where which I love multi-use projects where you're getting you're getting you're getting more multi-value projects. And more multi-value projects. And more multi-value projects. And Sysinternals tools were multi-value, Sysinternals tools were multi-value, Sysinternals tools were multi-value, like while I'm writing the tool I'm like while I'm writing the tool I'm like while I'm writing the tool I'm learning about Windows.

learning about Windows. learning about Windows. As I'm just like researching the APIs As I'm just like researching the APIs As I'm just like researching the APIs and then not just that and then not just that and then not just that I learn about Windows using the tool. I learn about Windows using the tool. I learn about Windows using the tool. >> You see how I didn't just say make an >> You see how I didn't just say make an >> You see how I didn't just say make an agent do it? agent do it? agent do it? >> Well, there were no agents back then. >> Well, there were no agents back then. >> Well, there were no agents back then. >> I know, but would you have not made if I >> I know, but would you have not made if I >> I know, but would you have not made if I >> I don't problem I don't >> I don't problem I don't >> I don't problem I don't >> 20 Would 25-year-old Mark Russinovich >> 20 Would 25-year-old Mark Russinovich >> 20 Would 25-year-old Mark Russinovich just say do an agent? Cuz the way that just say do an agent? Cuz the way that just say do an agent? Cuz the way that you crapped on my cool NAS migration you crapped on my cool NAS migration you crapped on my cool NAS migration >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, so cuz now you're here like, oh, >> Yeah, so cuz now you're here like, oh, >> Yeah, so cuz now you're here like, oh, the art it's about the journey. the art it's about the journey. the art it's about the journey. >> No, no, actually >> No, no, actually >> No, no, actually >> so much. >> so much. >> so much. >> The I think the multi-use >> The I think the multi-use >> The I think the multi-use aspect starts to go away, like um now aspect starts to go away, like um now aspect starts to go away, like um now because we're using AI so much. because we're using AI so much. because we're using AI so much. Like my end I think uh Like my end I think uh Like my end I think uh I want again I'll refer back to previous I want again I'll refer back to previous I want again I'll refer back to previous podcast episodes. podcast episodes. podcast episodes. One of the things that I've identified One of the things that I've identified One of the things that I've identified about myself early on was about myself early on was about myself early on was I I it's kind of like I'm lazy, but I I it's kind of like I'm lazy, but I I it's kind of like I'm lazy, but another way of saying lazy is efficient. another way of saying lazy is efficient. another way of saying lazy is efficient. Which is I want to learn the minimum I Which is I want to learn the minimum I Which is I want to learn the minimum I have to to get my job done. have to to get my job done. have to to get my job done. >> Sidebar.

>> Sidebar. >> Sidebar. I've always used that word lazy and some I've always used that word lazy and some I've always used that word lazy and some people really get triggered by that people really get triggered by that people really get triggered by that word, but I'm telling you word, but I'm telling you word, but I'm telling you we're lazy in the way of like I have a we're lazy in the way of like I have a we're lazy in the way of like I have a task and they have 40 hours of work and task and they have 40 hours of work and task and they have 40 hours of work and I'm going to have to do this. I will I'm going to have to do this. I will I'm going to have to do this. I will spend 39 doing the task and then an hour spend 39 doing the task and then an hour spend 39 doing the task and then an hour pushing do it. pushing do it. pushing do it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That is a certain kind of lazy. We have >> That is a certain kind of lazy. We have >> That is a certain kind of lazy. We have some kind of thing wrong with us. some kind of thing wrong with us. some kind of thing wrong with us. >> Yeah. Lazy means like if I don't have >> Yeah. Lazy means like if I don't have >> Yeah. Lazy means like if I don't have I will stop when I've got the I will stop when I've got the I will stop when I've got the information I need. I will not information I need. I will not information I need. I will not I I I unless it's just I'm passionately unless it's just I'm passionately unless it's just I'm passionately interested in it in general. interested in it in general. interested in it in general. >> lazy because the episode this is whole >> lazy because the episode this is whole >> lazy because the episode this is whole callback episode. The episode about the callback episode. The episode about the callback episode. The episode about the panorama. panorama. panorama. I You it working fine in 4 hours. You I You it working fine in 4 hours. You I You it working fine in 4 hours. You got it working correctly in another 40. got it working correctly in another 40. got it working correctly in another 40. >> That's Well, but here let me That's a >> That's Well, but here let me That's a >> That's Well, but here let me That's a That's a great example. That's a great example. That's a great example. >> You couldn't just ship a B+. >> You couldn't just ship a B+. >> You couldn't just ship a B+. >> That's why I I say it's efficiency, not >> That's why I I say it's efficiency, not >> That's why I I say it's efficiency, not laziness, because even with the panorama laziness, because even with the panorama laziness, because even with the panorama one, I learned the bare minimum I had to one, I learned the bare minimum I had to one, I learned the bare minimum I had to about how panorama works to get that about how panorama works to get that about how panorama works to get that thing done. thing done. thing done. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And I And I did the minimum code review >> And I And I did the minimum code review >> And I And I did the minimum code review that I had to do to have some sense that that I had to do to have some sense that that I had to do to have some sense that it was actually reliable.

it was actually reliable. it was actually reliable. >> Okay. But but >> Okay. But but >> Okay. But but what do we say to the early in career what do we say to the early in career what do we say to the early in career people, the young people, people, the young people, people, the young people, uh underrepresented people, folks that uh underrepresented people, folks that uh underrepresented people, folks that are like, well, I don't have the ability are like, well, I don't have the ability are like, well, I don't have the ability to be lazy. When we say lazy, are we to be lazy. When we say lazy, are we to be lazy. When we say lazy, are we truly saying do the least and get it truly saying do the least and get it truly saying do the least and get it done? done? done? >> That's why I I I clarified because >> That's why I I I clarified because >> That's why I I I clarified because somebody Well, I thought it was you in somebody Well, I thought it was you in somebody Well, I thought it was you in the podcast where I said it I was lazy the podcast where I said it I was lazy the podcast where I said it I was lazy and they're like, "And you're clearly and they're like, "And you're clearly and they're like, "And you're clearly not lazy." Yeah. So, like, clearly not not lazy." Yeah. So, like, clearly not not lazy." Yeah. So, like, clearly not lazy. But So, what's the better word for lazy. But So, what's the better word for lazy. But So, what's the better word for it? As I'm hyper-efficient. it? As I'm hyper-efficient. it? As I'm hyper-efficient. >> Hyper-efficient. >> Hyper-efficient. >> Hyper-efficient. >> Like I I And this is where, you know, go >> Like I I And this is where, you know, go >> Like I I And this is where, you know, go going back to your original question, going back to your original question, going back to your original question, today would 25-year-old Mark go create today would 25-year-old Mark go create today would 25-year-old Mark go create these tools? these tools? these tools? I don't know. Like I would say the bar I don't know. Like I would say the bar I don't know. Like I would say the bar has moved. Like to accomplish the things has moved. Like to accomplish the things has moved. Like to accomplish the things that I want to accomplish, I'm going to that I want to accomplish, I'm going to that I want to accomplish, I'm going to find value in other ways, not find value in other ways, not find value in other ways, not necessarily writing these tools, because necessarily writing these tools, because necessarily writing these tools, because I'm going to have AI write them for me. I'm going to have AI write them for me. I'm going to have AI write them for me. I Now, I would say it'd be cool to see I Now, I would say it'd be cool to see I Now, I would say it'd be cool to see what's going on inside the system. I what's going on inside the system. I what's going on inside the system. I probably would have up-leveled it and probably would have up-leveled it and probably would have up-leveled it and said, "Here's a skill for AI, said, "Here's a skill for AI, said, "Here's a skill for AI, you know, or command line tool for AI to you know, or command line tool for AI to you know, or command line tool for AI to use." This is what the tool the focus use." This is what the tool the focus use." This is what the tool the focus and of the tools is going to change.

and of the tools is going to change. and of the tools is going to change. It's not going to be on pretty UXs that It's not going to be on pretty UXs that It's not going to be on pretty UXs that um that should just throw information at um that should just throw information at um that should just throw information at you. It's going to be on digesting you. It's going to be on digesting you. It's going to be on digesting things or making it so AI can digest and things or making it so AI can digest and things or making it so AI can digest and give you information. give you information. give you information. >> Um I was just trying to hit Oh, it did >> Um I was just trying to hit Oh, it did >> Um I was just trying to hit Oh, it did work. This is crazy. I just typed in work. This is crazy. I just typed in work. This is crazy. I just typed in whackwhacklive.sysinternals.com/tools. So, this is literally You can do this So, this is literally You can do this now. Go to the win Go to Go to Windows R now. Go to the win Go to Go to Windows R now. Go to the win Go to Go to Windows R and type live.sysinternals.com. and type live.sysinternals.com. and type live.sysinternals.com. You have to put in {slash} tools, You have to put in {slash} tools, You have to put in {slash} tools, otherwise you might get some otherwise you might get some otherwise you might get some authentication stuff. What is this authentication stuff. What is this authentication stuff. What is this doing? Is this running on a freaking doing? Is this running on a freaking doing? Is this running on a freaking live live live >> server. >> server. >> server. It's a It's a It's a >> on Azure VMs. It's a WebDAV share. >> on Azure VMs. It's a WebDAV share. >> on Azure VMs. It's a WebDAV share. That actually that WebDAV share for That actually that WebDAV share for That actually that WebDAV share for Sysinternals has been alive since before Sysinternals has been alive since before Sysinternals has been alive since before Sysinternals was acquired by Microsoft. Sysinternals was acquired by Microsoft. Sysinternals was acquired by Microsoft. >> Yeah. So, that's a really interesting >> Yeah. So, that's a really interesting >> Yeah. So, that's a really interesting thing. I think I may have actually thing. I think I may have actually thing. I think I may have actually learned about it at some point. Uh learned about it at some point. Uh learned about it at some point. Uh let me [laughter] find Let me see if let me [laughter] find Let me see if let me [laughter] find Let me see if I've actually talked about it. Because I've actually talked about it. Because I've actually talked about it. Because it's one of the rare open-ended SMB it's one of the rare open-ended SMB it's one of the rare open-ended SMB shares that are out there. shares that are out there. shares that are out there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh god.

Yeah, 2015. Yeah, 2015. It's such a such a It's such a such a It's such a such a >> little late to the party, but >> little late to the party, but >> little late to the party, but >> No, I know. Um but the point is though >> No, I know. Um but the point is though >> No, I know. Um but the point is though that it is unusual that it is unusual that it is unusual to have a live SMB share out there in to have a live SMB share out there in to have a live SMB share out there in the world. Like, you know, people people the world. Like, you know, people people the world. Like, you know, people people give Samba a bit of a give Samba a bit of a give Samba a bit of a uh uh uh a bad name. Is that not attackable? Is a bad name. Is that not attackable? Is a bad name. Is that not attackable? Is this not something that people could this not something that people could this not something that people could hurt and put hurt and put hurt and put >> It's It's a file system API. >> It's It's a file system API. >> It's It's a file system API. >> Yeah, just read-only access and it's >> Yeah, just read-only access and it's >> Yeah, just read-only access and it's It's got all the latest stuff here. So, It's got all the latest stuff here. So, It's got all the latest stuff here. So, I see some of these are from 2020. I see some of these are from 2020. I see some of these are from 2020. But Autoruns fresh releases, it's all But Autoruns fresh releases, it's all But Autoruns fresh releases, it's all there. So, this is part of your there. So, this is part of your there. So, this is part of your >> This is the IIS role on Windows Server. >> This is the IIS role on Windows Server. >> This is the IIS role on Windows Server. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Has WebDAV as a feature. >> Has WebDAV as a feature. >> Has WebDAV as a feature. >> Fresh ZoomIt. That's where I would get >> Fresh ZoomIt. That's where I would get >> Fresh ZoomIt. That's where I would get And I can I run it directly from there? And I can I run it directly from there? And I can I run it directly from there? >> You can. >> You can. >> You can. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's crazy. What is PSPing? Is that new? What is PSPing? Is that new? >> PSPing? No, that's way old. >> PSPing? No, that's way old. >> PSPing? No, that's way old. I wrote that one in 2014 and then 2015.

I wrote that one in 2014 and then 2015. I wrote that one in 2014 and then 2015. >> picked that up. >> picked that up. >> picked that up. >> All right, here I go. >> All right, here I go. >> All right, here I go. >> God, Scott. >> God, Scott. >> God, Scott. And pots. And pots. And pots. >> Um I wrote that because >> Um I wrote that because >> Um I wrote that because in Azure, especially certainly in Azure, especially certainly in Azure, especially certainly networking is so critical in networking is so critical in networking is so critical in understanding how if things are working. understanding how if things are working. understanding how if things are working. And there was there's a a tool there's And there was there's a a tool there's And there was there's a a tool there's ping which is just lame. It's like ICMP ping which is just lame. It's like ICMP ping which is just lame. It's like ICMP pings. pings. pings. And then there's tools like NTTCP And then there's tools like NTTCP And then there's tools like NTTCP NT NT NT N N N T TCP T TCP T TCP which is a network which is a network which is a network analysis tool that analysis tool that analysis tool that that a lot of that a lot of that a lot of people inside of Azure and customer people inside of Azure and customer people inside of Azure and customer service and troubleshooting people service and troubleshooting people service and troubleshooting people >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> are using which is very complicated and >> are using which is very complicated and >> are using which is very complicated and I'm like this thing is too complicated. I'm like this thing is too complicated. I'm like this thing is too complicated. I just want a simple tool that lets me I just want a simple tool that lets me I just want a simple tool that lets me test connectivity like TCP connectivity test connectivity like TCP connectivity test connectivity like TCP connectivity >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> across IPV4 and IVC V6 check bandwidth >> across IPV4 and IVC V6 check bandwidth >> across IPV4 and IVC V6 check bandwidth check latency check latency check latency and so I wrote PS ping. and so I wrote PS ping. and so I wrote PS ping. >> How do I use the bandwidth part? I >> How do I use the bandwidth part? I >> How do I use the bandwidth part? I didn't know this existed.

didn't know this existed. didn't know this existed. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Just ask AI. Just ask AI. Just ask AI. >> I but this is the part that's dumb. I'm >> I but this is the part that's dumb. I'm >> I but this is the part that's dumb. I'm trying to do this live. PS ping request trying to do this live. PS ping request trying to do this live. PS ping request size What am I pinging to? Why do I need size What am I pinging to? Why do I need size What am I pinging to? Why do I need a source port? a source port? a source port? >> If you want to. 33 gigs a second. 33 gigs a second. >> Well, you didn't run it long enough. >> Well, you didn't run it long enough. >> Well, you didn't run it long enough. >> Yeah, no sh- Yeah, it worked >> Yeah, no sh- Yeah, it worked >> Yeah, no sh- Yeah, it worked it worked instantly. it worked instantly. it worked instantly. I got to see if my new network is good. I got to see if my new network is good. I got to see if my new network is good. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> I want to see if it's fast or not. >> I want to see if it's fast or not. >> I want to see if it's fast or not. >> What machine are you connecting to? >> What machine are you connecting to? >> What machine are you connecting to? >> I was trying to connect to my own my own >> I was trying to connect to my own my own >> I was trying to connect to my own my own personal personal personal >> loopback? >> loopback? >> loopback? >> No, I was I was pointing it to my blog. >> No, I was I was pointing it to my blog. >> No, I was I was pointing it to my blog. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> Oh. >> See, I'm only getting a gig down 1200 >> See, I'm only getting a gig down 1200 >> See, I'm only getting a gig down 1200 down which is down which is down which is >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> unacceptable. >> unacceptable. >> unacceptable. But I'm getting decent See, I get like But I'm getting decent See, I get like But I'm getting decent See, I get like up. up. up. >> Two point Whoa, that's the opposite of >> Two point Whoa, that's the opposite of >> Two point Whoa, that's the opposite of what you should be getting. what you should be getting. what you should be getting. >> I am aware. >> I am aware. >> I am aware. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. >> So, yeah, I'm getting 3.something up. >> So, yeah, I'm getting 3.something up. >> So, yeah, I'm getting 3.something up. So, that's kind of like I would like I'd So, that's kind of like I would like I'd So, that's kind of like I would like I'd like it to be the other direction, but like it to be the other direction, but like it to be the other direction, but something could be happening right now. something could be happening right now. something could be happening right now. I might still be downloading a bunch of I might still be downloading a bunch of I might still be downloading a bunch of stuff. Oh, dude, I wonder if only I had stuff. Oh, dude, I wonder if only I had stuff. Oh, dude, I wonder if only I had a NAS with every photograph I've ever a NAS with every photograph I've ever a NAS with every photograph I've ever taken. I could find taken. I could find taken. I could find >> took a picture of the first time we met? >> took a picture of the first time we met? >> took a picture of the first time we met? >> I'm betting it's probably >> I'm betting it's probably >> I'm betting it's probably >> because you said, "Hey, can I Oh, you're >> because you said, "Hey, can I Oh, you're >> because you said, "Hey, can I Oh, you're a market person at this time." a market person at this time." a market person at this time." >> All right, hang on a second. >> All right, hang on a second. >> All right, hang on a second. I'm I'm going to do exactly that. I'm I'm going to do exactly that. I'm I'm going to do exactly that. >> You jerk. >> You jerk. >> You jerk. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> It's going to be a picture of baby Scott >> It's going to be a picture of baby Scott >> It's going to be a picture of baby Scott with with with Yeah, see, these are the kind of Yeah, see, these are the kind of Yeah, see, these are the kind of pictures of pictures of pictures of There was a picture I remember one time There was a picture I remember one time There was a picture I remember one time I asked you to take a freaking picture I asked you to take a freaking picture I asked you to take a freaking picture of me of me of me and you sent me a selfie and you sent me a selfie and you sent me a selfie with yourself [laughter] with yourself [laughter] with yourself [laughter] and I was like in the background. and I was like in the background. and I was like in the background. Where is that picture? Where is that picture? Where is that picture? >> Is this when you were speaking at >> Is this when you were speaking at >> Is this when you were speaking at Ignite? Ignite? Ignite? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Right. Yeah, that's right.

>> Right. Yeah, that's right. >> Right. Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> there it is. I said >> there it is. I said >> there it is. I said >> Take a picture of me and you sent this >> Take a picture of me and you sent this >> Take a picture of me and you sent this one. That's me. one. That's me. one. That's me. And you texted me the picture of And you texted me the picture of And you texted me the picture of >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> You jerk. Oh, that was so good. Oh, that was so good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, this one's good. This is how AI uh >> Oh, this one's good. This is how AI uh >> Oh, this one's good. This is how AI uh has misidentified you. has misidentified you. has misidentified you. >> How does What do you mean? What What? What What? >> So, this is Google Photos. This is >> So, this is Google Photos. This is >> So, this is Google Photos. This is reason number 28 why I'm getting off reason number 28 why I'm getting off reason number 28 why I'm getting off It literally is like, "Yeah, It literally is like, "Yeah, It literally is like, "Yeah, >> He looks like Leonard Nimoy. >> He looks like Leonard Nimoy. >> He looks like Leonard Nimoy. Huh, I've never gotten that before. Huh, I've never gotten that before. Huh, I've never gotten that before. >> It's multiple times. >> It's multiple times. >> It's multiple times. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> This Wow, this is weird. I've Apparently >> This Wow, this is weird. I've Apparently >> This Wow, this is weird. I've Apparently though, I've met you well before this, though, I've met you well before this, though, I've met you well before this, but I have a picture of you but I have a picture of you but I have a picture of you uh uh uh >> Oh, yeah, that's me and >> Oh, yeah, that's me and >> Oh, yeah, that's me and um metallic um metallic um metallic from uh from uh from uh >> Oh, metallic, yeah, yeah, yeah. The >> Oh, metallic, yeah, yeah, yeah. The >> Oh, metallic, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Ethereum guy. Ethereum guy. Ethereum guy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> That's back when crypto was a thing. >> That's back when crypto was a thing. >> That's back when crypto was a thing. wonder wonder wonder >> I was excited that you were there or >> I was excited that you were there or >> I was excited that you were there or excited that uh excited that uh excited that uh Metallic is probably excited that you Metallic is probably excited that you Metallic is probably excited that you were there.

were there. were there. Small world. Small world. Small world. >> the earliest one you have? >> the earliest one you have? >> the earliest one you have? >> Unfortunately, so. I I would have had >> Unfortunately, so. I I would have had >> Unfortunately, so. I I would have had pictures going back much longer than pictures going back much longer than pictures going back much longer than that. I need to go that. I need to go that. I need to go >> I think that one and that Metallic one >> I think that one and that Metallic one >> I think that one and that Metallic one is from 2018. is from 2018. is from 2018. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, that's not very long ago. I Yeah. So, that's not very long ago. I need to find 20-year-old pictures of the need to find 20-year-old pictures of the need to find 20-year-old pictures of the >> it is >> it is >> it is now 8 years ago. now 8 years ago. now 8 years ago. >> You know, it's funny because I don't >> You know, it's funny because I don't >> You know, it's funny because I don't think about time in that way. think about time in that way. think about time in that way. Someone was telling me that like 2015 is Someone was telling me that like 2015 is Someone was telling me that like 2015 is like 2015 and 2005 are the same year for like 2015 and 2005 are the same year for like 2015 and 2005 are the same year for me. They're all just There's 10 years me. They're all just There's 10 years me. They're all just There's 10 years that just kind of folded it over like that just kind of folded it over like that just kind of folded it over like flyover country. flyover country. flyover country. >> Well, 2015 is like last year for me. >> Well, 2015 is like last year for me. >> Well, 2015 is like last year for me. >> Totally. 100% agree. >> Totally. 100% agree. >> Totally. 100% agree. It's a problem. It's a problem. It's a problem. Oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, man. >> Uh well, it's the first time we spoke >> Uh well, it's the first time we spoke >> Uh well, it's the first time we spoke together. It's the definitely the first together. It's the definitely the first together. It's the definitely the first time we spoke together. You You invited time we spoke together. You You invited time we spoke together. You You invited me me me to to to give that talk. You're like, "Hey, can give that talk. You're like, "Hey, can give that talk. You're like, "Hey, can you come in and you want to talk and you come in and you want to talk and you come in and you want to talk and build and talk about Zoom it?" I'm like, build and talk about Zoom it?" I'm like, build and talk about Zoom it?" I'm like, "Nobody cares." "Nobody cares." "Nobody cares." >> Nobody cares. >> Nobody cares. >> Nobody cares. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> It was good. It was good. We actually >> It was good. It was good. We actually >> It was good. It was good. We actually changed That was back when Zoom it was changed That was back when Zoom it was changed That was back when Zoom it was one file, but now it's been refactored a one file, but now it's been refactored a one file, but now it's been refactored a little bit.

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