EPISODE 7 - Scott & Mark Learn To... Find Joy in Hobbies

well how do we break out um I don't know well how do we break out um I don't know man I thought theyare was do it but it man I thought theyare was do it but it man I thought theyare was do it but it didn't it didn't do it what we didn't didn't it didn't do it what we didn't didn't it didn't do it what we didn't break out no you don't think we broke break out no you don't think we broke break out no you don't think we broke out with skincare oh yeah the skincare out with skincare oh yeah the skincare out with skincare oh yeah the skincare thing I don't know I think yeah maybe my thing I don't know I think yeah maybe my thing I don't know I think yeah maybe my skin wasn't good skin wasn't good skin wasn't good enough enough enough true nobody bought it nobody bought my true nobody bought it nobody bought my true nobody bought it nobody bought my skin care skin care skin care products I don't know like I mean the products I don't know like I mean the products I don't know like I mean the numbers were met mark I don't know if we numbers were met mark I don't know if we numbers were met mark I don't know if we can beat the like we we like literally can beat the like we we like literally can beat the like we we like literally took the numbers we were going to hoping took the numbers we were going to hoping took the numbers we were going to hoping for doubled them hit those immediately for doubled them hit those immediately for doubled them hit those immediately and still you are disappoint yeah I'm and still you are disappoint yeah I'm and still you are disappoint yeah I'm never satisfied that's why I'm where I hey hey friends Mark and Scott learn about friends Mark and Scott learn about friends Mark and Scott learn about Hobbies Mark I think a lot of people Hobbies Mark I think a lot of people Hobbies Mark I think a lot of people believe that in order to be successful believe that in order to be successful believe that in order to be successful in computering that they need to only do in computering that they need to only do in computering that they need to only do computers both in the den 9-5 but they computers both in the den 9-5 but they computers both in the den 9-5 but they go immediately home and then they code go immediately home and then they code go immediately home and then they code as a hobby do only technical things as a as a hobby do only technical things as a as a hobby do only technical things as a hobby I assume that is the same with you hobby I assume that is the same with you hobby I assume that is the same with you right all of your hobbies are probably right all of your hobbies are probably right all of your hobbies are probably computers computers computers Fair nope not at all but actually it's Fair nope not at all but actually it's Fair nope not at all but actually it's kind of interesting because are you kind of interesting because are you kind of interesting because are you referring to the comment I think on one

referring to the comment I think on one referring to the comment I think on one of our podcasts where somebody said Mark of our podcasts where somebody said Mark of our podcasts where somebody said Mark must never last time Mark played a video must never last time Mark played a video must never last time Mark played a video game was probably the year 2000 game was probably the year 2000 game was probably the year 2000 something like that yeah right I think something like that yeah right I think something like that yeah right I think the confidence level was low in your uh the confidence level was low in your uh the confidence level was low in your uh pop culture knowledge and background and pop culture knowledge and background and pop culture knowledge and background and actually I did respond to I think I actually I did respond to I think I actually I did respond to I think I responded to that comment because I've responded to that comment because I've responded to that comment because I've been playing Battlefield series from been playing Battlefield series from been playing Battlefield series from Battlefield 1942 which came out in like Battlefield 1942 which came out in like Battlefield 1942 which came out in like 200 200 200 five or five or five or four I've been playing that series four I've been playing that series four I've been playing that series continuously since then getting multier continuously since then getting multier continuously since then getting multier the the the multiplayer yeah 50 players and at this multiplayer yeah 50 players and at this multiplayer yeah 50 players and at this point it's Pro I don't even want to look point it's Pro I don't even want to look point it's Pro I don't even want to look at how many hours if I total them up at how many hours if I total them up at how many hours if I total them up that I've spent in Battlefield but it's that I've spent in Battlefield but it's that I've spent in Battlefield but it's I'm sure it's in the I'm sure it's in the I'm sure it's in the thousands really yeah I I find it so thousands really yeah I I find it so thousands really yeah I I find it so stressful because in Battlefield you die stressful because in Battlefield you die stressful because in Battlefield you die and then you're fod and then they Zoom and then you're fod and then they Zoom and then you're fod and then they Zoom back up into the then you zoom back down back up into the then you zoom back down back up into the then you zoom back down again and then you're another guy on the again and then you're another guy on the again and then you're another guy on the battlefield and you go running back in I battlefield and you go running back in I battlefield and you go running back in I feel like I'm fodder I think that's the feel like I'm fodder I think that's the feel like I'm fodder I think that's the feeling you're supposed to have yeah but feeling you're supposed to have yeah but feeling you're supposed to have yeah but yeah that game is it just uh it's a good yeah that game is it just uh it's a good yeah that game is it just uh it's a good release because you can just I can just release because you can just I can just release because you can just I can just jump in if I've got 20 minutes play jump in if I've got 20 minutes play jump in if I've got 20 minutes play around get my fix are you console or pc around get my fix are you console or pc around get my fix are you console or pc pc in fact I can't use console pc in fact I can't use console pc in fact I can't use console controllers I I'm a mouse and controllers I I'm a mouse and controllers I I'm a mouse and keyboard interesting yeah I just that is keyboard interesting yeah I just that is keyboard interesting yeah I just that is a really interesting thing my son is is a really interesting thing my son is is a really interesting thing my son is is keyboard keyboard keyboard only I can't be precise enough with the only I can't be precise enough with the only I can't be precise enough with the the stick on the stick on the stick on the game controller you you have like a

the game controller you you have like a the game controller you you have like a 1600 DPI super lightweight you know 1600 DPI super lightweight you know 1600 DPI super lightweight you know gaming mouse wired yep interesting all gaming mouse wired yep interesting all gaming mouse wired yep interesting all right this is good this is information I right this is good this is information I right this is good this is information I did not have so that's a that's a good did not have so that's a that's a good did not have so that's a that's a good hobby how about you do you play video hobby how about you do you play video hobby how about you do you play video games yeah you play all the time right I games yeah you play all the time right I games yeah you play all the time right I see you tweeting or posting about it on see you tweeting or posting about it on see you tweeting or posting about it on Bluey yeah yeah yeah posting about it Bluey yeah yeah yeah posting about it Bluey yeah yeah yeah posting about it um yeah I've got a I've got a uh a steam um yeah I've got a I've got a uh a steam um yeah I've got a I've got a uh a steam deck which is an absolute glorious deck which is an absolute glorious deck which is an absolute glorious device it's I mean cannot be said how device it's I mean cannot be said how device it's I mean cannot be said how amazing this is I dual boot batt Sera amazing this is I dual boot batt Sera amazing this is I dual boot batt Sera Linux off of a one tbte uh uh SD card on Linux off of a one tbte uh uh SD card on Linux off of a one tbte uh uh SD card on this because it's just Linux and you can this because it's just Linux and you can this because it's just Linux and you can like boot into the Linux desktop so I 3D like boot into the Linux desktop so I 3D like boot into the Linux desktop so I 3D printed a whole Dock and I've got a printed a whole Dock and I've got a printed a whole Dock and I've got a bunch of retro games on that but I've bunch of retro games on that but I've bunch of retro games on that but I've been doing jrpgs I just did dragon been doing jrpgs I just did dragon been doing jrpgs I just did dragon age which is uh was was age which is uh was was age which is uh was was remade and uh gosh I think I did 35 remade and uh gosh I think I did 35 remade and uh gosh I think I did 35 hours over like the all the holidays and hours over like the all the holidays and hours over like the all the holidays and everyone thought I was neglecting my everyone thought I was neglecting my everyone thought I was neglecting my family but I just do it when they're family but I just do it when they're family but I just do it when they're asleep yeah right you just you find you asleep yeah right you just you find you asleep yeah right you just you find you find time you intentionally find time find time you intentionally find time find time you intentionally find time and it is it was a very much a release and it is it was a very much a release and it is it was a very much a release and I felt perfectly good about it did and I felt perfectly good about it did and I felt perfectly good about it did you finish it oh yeah it took me 39 you finish it oh yeah it took me 39 you finish it oh yeah it took me 39 hours yeah yeah now I'm not a hours yeah yeah now I'm not a hours yeah yeah now I'm not a completionist because completionist completionist because completionist completionist because completionist that'll get you you'll go back through that'll get you you'll go back through that'll get you you'll go back through and get all no that that just stresses and get all no that that just stresses and get all no that that just stresses me out like I just have to acknowledge me out like I just have to acknowledge me out like I just have to acknowledge that this is an interesting thing I have that this is an interesting thing I have that this is an interesting thing I have a maybe you have this I have I have as a

a maybe you have this I have I have as a a maybe you have this I have I have as a programmer I have a relationship diff programmer I have a relationship diff programmer I have a relationship diff that I think is different with a game that I think is different with a game that I think is different with a game because as soon as it feels like I'm not because as soon as it feels like I'm not because as soon as it feels like I'm not playing the game anymore I'm playing playing the game anymore I'm playing playing the game anymore I'm playing some dude and his for Loop and it's like some dude and his for Loop and it's like some dude and his for Loop and it's like oh well now I'm just against this guy's oh well now I'm just against this guy's oh well now I'm just against this guy's algorithm and that doesn't feel good so algorithm and that doesn't feel good so algorithm and that doesn't feel good so as soon as the game makes me feel like as soon as the game makes me feel like as soon as the game makes me feel like I'm playing a programmer I lose interest I'm playing a programmer I lose interest I'm playing a programmer I lose interest in the game yeah I I don't know if I've in the game yeah I I don't know if I've in the game yeah I I don't know if I've ever had that feeling but the the other ever had that feeling but the the other ever had that feeling but the the other besides Battlefield the other ones that besides Battlefield the other ones that besides Battlefield the other ones that I I like are puzzle games so portal and I I like are puzzle games so portal and I I like are puzzle games so portal and all oh portal also left for dead that all oh portal also left for dead that all oh portal also left for dead that was just a great Series yeah and I'll was just a great Series yeah and I'll was just a great Series yeah and I'll get and I have to do do a plug for this get and I have to do do a plug for this get and I have to do do a plug for this because the best game video game I've because the best game video game I've because the best game video game I've ever played of all time was halflife ever played of all time was halflife ever played of all time was halflife Alex which is uh the VR one VR one and Alex which is uh the VR one VR one and Alex which is uh the VR one VR one and it was it's just a masterpie it's just it was it's just a masterpie it's just it was it's just a masterpie it's just incredible yeah and I played that during incredible yeah and I played that during incredible yeah and I played that during Co Co Co which was a great release then that's which was a great release then that's which was a great release then that's such a great example of a game where you such a great example of a game where you such a great example of a game where you thought every VR game after that was thought every VR game after that was thought every VR game after that was going to be that good and it's like going to be that good and it's like going to be that good and it's like nope there's nothing that comes close nope there's nothing that comes close nope there's nothing that comes close yeah I tried the Vader ones and they're yeah I tried the Vader ones and they're yeah I tried the Vader ones and they're just not the same just not the same just not the same no Alex too yeah yeah I did it and then no Alex too yeah yeah I did it and then no Alex too yeah yeah I did it and then I did it on a uh on a on an HTC VI I did it on a uh on a on an HTC VI I did it on a uh on a on an HTC VI that's what I did too that's what I did too that's what I did too yeah with with uh the card with the yeah with with uh the card with the yeah with with uh the card with the networking card so I could be untethered networking card so I could be untethered networking card so I could be untethered yep so yep so yep so I yeah did you have the battery pack in I yeah did you have the battery pack in I yeah did you have the battery pack in your pocket your pocket your pocket yeah it's just it's just amazing just bu

yeah it's just it's just amazing just bu yeah it's just it's just amazing just bu bumbling around V VR is such a weird bumbling around V VR is such a weird bumbling around V VR is such a weird thing now do are your eyes perfect you thing now do are your eyes perfect you thing now do are your eyes perfect you have perfect vision as well as perfect have perfect vision as well as perfect have perfect vision as well as perfect ha per uh close to perfect so you don't ha per uh close to perfect so you don't ha per uh close to perfect so you don't you don't have to wear lenses no so um you don't have to wear lenses no so um you don't have to wear lenses no so um one of the the number one tip that I one of the the number one tip that I one of the the number one tip that I give anyone who does any kind of VR uh I give anyone who does any kind of VR uh I give anyone who does any kind of VR uh I use a quest 3 now is for7 $9 you can get use a quest 3 now is for7 $9 you can get use a quest 3 now is for7 $9 you can get prescription lenses that click in and if prescription lenses that click in and if prescription lenses that click in and if you have always felt like VR wasn't for you have always felt like VR wasn't for you have always felt like VR wasn't for you just if you if you have like readers you just if you if you have like readers you just if you if you have like readers or like whatever so I have I just took or like whatever so I have I just took or like whatever so I have I just took my regular prescription and I put it my regular prescription and I put it my regular prescription and I put it into the website and it pops out these into the website and it pops out these into the website and it pops out these lenses they show up a week later for 70 lenses they show up a week later for 70 lenses they show up a week later for 70 bucks and that made it really really bucks and that made it really really bucks and that made it really really cool and I guess Windows 11 is building cool and I guess Windows 11 is building cool and I guess Windows 11 is building in Virtual desktops now so people can do in Virtual desktops now so people can do in Virtual desktops now so people can do that have you ever used these that have you ever used these that have you ever used these yeah in fact I got that because you yeah in fact I got that because you yeah in fact I got that because you recommended it I did tell you to get recommended it I did tell you to get recommended it I did tell you to get these and did you like them I do on these and did you like them I do on these and did you like them I do on airplanes that's when I use them on airplanes that's when I use them on airplanes that's when I use them on airplanes yeah yeah yeah these are great airplanes yeah yeah yeah these are great airplanes yeah yeah yeah these are great like watching movies or coding on an like watching movies or coding on an like watching movies or coding on an airplane yeah apparently a bunch of airplane yeah apparently a bunch of airplane yeah apparently a bunch of people from um the Xbox team work over people from um the Xbox team work over people from um the Xbox team work over there now but yeah these are great this there now but yeah these are great this there now but yeah these are great this is not a plug I mean I don't have any is not a plug I mean I don't have any is not a plug I mean I don't have any relationship with these guys but what's relationship with these guys but what's relationship with these guys but what's cool about these that I like is that cool about these that I like is that cool about these that I like is that it's just USBC yeah you just plug them it's just USBC yeah you just plug them it's just USBC yeah you just plug them in and then it shows up as another in and then it shows up as another in and then it shows up as another another screen which I think is pretty another screen which I think is pretty another screen which I think is pretty cool by the way you mentioned my hair cool by the way you mentioned my hair cool by the way you mentioned my hair and I just need to set the record here and I just need to set the record here and I just need to set the record here because people have said in comments in because people have said in comments in because people have said in comments in fact there was the last one this Pod fact there was the last one this Pod fact there was the last one this Pod episode of Scott Mark learn to brought

episode of Scott Mark learn to brought episode of Scott Mark learn to brought to you by L'Oreal hair hair to you by L'Oreal hair hair to you by L'Oreal hair hair dye it's not died it's natural it's dye it's not died it's natural it's dye it's not died it's natural it's horrible yeah No One Believes it because horrible yeah No One Believes it because horrible yeah No One Believes it because you're gonna end up being like you're at you're gonna end up being like you're at you're gonna end up being like you're at some point you're going to be 80 and some point you're going to be 80 and some point you're going to be 80 and you're going to be fully vertical and you're going to be fully vertical and you're going to be fully vertical and straight backed and healthy and you're straight backed and healthy and you're straight backed and healthy and you're going to be you know or or you'll do the going to be you know or or you'll do the going to be you know or or you'll do the Ted dancing where like overnight your Ted dancing where like overnight your Ted dancing where like overnight your hair will go Snow White and then you'll hair will go Snow White and then you'll hair will go Snow White and then you'll look better and that's going to be worse look better and that's going to be worse look better and that's going to be worse yeah we're going to appreciate actually yeah we're going to appreciate actually yeah we're going to appreciate actually I've been people have been when I was at I've been people have been when I was at I've been people have been when I was at winternals in the early 2000s I was in winternals in the early 2000s I was in winternals in the early 2000s I was in my I guess it was in my late 30s then my I guess it was in my late 30s then my I guess it was in my late 30s then there were already Rumors in the office there were already Rumors in the office there were already Rumors in the office that I was dying my hair some people just win the genetic hair some people just win the genetic Lottery man and others are diabetics that are man and others are diabetics that are eating eating while we're doing our eating eating while we're doing our eating eating while we're doing our podcast I'm diabetic I need to eat okay podcast I'm diabetic I need to eat okay podcast I'm diabetic I need to eat okay I'm sorry all right so video games I don't sorry all right so video games I don't know if that helps our our case because know if that helps our our case because know if that helps our our case because we just said that we don't do computers we just said that we don't do computers we just said that we don't do computers in our spare time oh well I do actually in our spare time oh well I do actually in our spare time oh well I do actually computer Hobbies is for me and my spare computer Hobbies is for me and my spare computer Hobbies is for me and my spare time and I spend most of my time time and I spend most of my time time and I spend most of my time actually actually actually doing I it was CIS internals but now doing I it was CIS internals but now doing I it was CIS internals but now it's AI it's AI it's AI research it's a hobby it's a hobby yeah research it's a hobby it's a hobby yeah research it's a hobby it's a hobby yeah yeah yeah yeah gamifying the AI beating the AI well you gamifying the AI beating the AI well you gamifying the AI beating the AI well you do you get nerd do you get nerd do you get nerd sniped what mean the thing this is a sniped what mean the thing this is a sniped what mean the thing this is a thing about you nerd sniping you know thing about you nerd sniping you know thing about you nerd sniping you know what nerd sniping is right no okay I

what nerd sniping is right no okay I what nerd sniping is right no okay I think I think you do but you just don't think I think you do but you just don't think I think you do but you just don't know the name for it nerd sniping is know the name for it nerd sniping is know the name for it nerd sniping is when you tell a person with a certain when you tell a person with a certain when you tell a person with a certain kind of personality that something kind of personality that something kind of personality that something either isn't possible or might not be either isn't possible or might not be either isn't possible or might not be possible and then they kind of possible and then they kind of possible and then they kind of go and then they can't concentrate for go and then they can't concentrate for go and then they can't concentrate for the rest of the day and it ruins their the rest of the day and it ruins their the rest of the day and it ruins their whole day so with you I'll be like you whole day so with you I'll be like you whole day so with you I'll be like you know I was trying to get the thing to know I was trying to get the thing to know I was trying to get the thing to hallucinate and I couldn't and I tried hallucinate and I couldn't and I tried hallucinate and I couldn't and I tried these things and like I think it's these things and like I think it's these things and like I think it's pretty much not possible you want pretty much not possible you want pretty much not possible you want something done you tell renovich it's something done you tell renovich it's something done you tell renovich it's not possible and then two two hours not possible and then two two hours not possible and then two two hours later he'll text you a screenshot he's later he'll text you a screenshot he's later he'll text you a screenshot he's like I got it to do this and even this like I got it to do this and even this like I got it to do this and even this other stuff that's true that's true I do other stuff that's true that's true I do other stuff that's true that's true I do you're right I didn't know the name for you're right I didn't know the name for you're right I didn't know the name for it now I do it's it's it'ser know my it now I do it's it's it'ser know my it now I do it's it's it'ser know my weakness boom snipe so yeah tell tell weakness boom snipe so yeah tell tell weakness boom snipe so yeah tell tell vers you can't do this with Ai and it'll vers you can't do this with Ai and it'll vers you can't do this with Ai and it'll get done it will get get done it will get get done it will get done what about uh what about done what about uh what about done what about uh what about woodworking or anything like that woodworking or anything like that woodworking or anything like that anything with your hands like what's the anything with your hands like what's the anything with your hands like what's the non-computer thing well when I was non-computer thing well when I was non-computer thing well when I was growing up I drew I just had a natural growing up I drew I just had a natural growing up I drew I just had a natural talent for drawing and I just did it for talent for drawing and I just did it for talent for drawing and I just did it for fun and then I stopped in college I did fun and then I stopped in college I did fun and then I stopped in college I did it a little bit in college but then it it a little bit in college but then it it a little bit in college but then it stopped and then picked it up again in stopped and then picked it up again in stopped and then picked it up again in Co Co Co time and for about a year and a half I time and for about a year and a half I time and for about a year and a half I did tons of drawing started with did tons of drawing started with did tons of drawing started with graphite which is pencil moved on to pen graphite which is pencil moved on to pen graphite which is pencil moved on to pen and ink which I love and then did um and ink which I love and then did um and ink which I love and then did um colored pencil which I love even more colored pencil which I love even more colored pencil which I love even more and so have tons of drawings from the co

and so have tons of drawings from the co and so have tons of drawings from the co time frame I stopped when GPT 4 came out time frame I stopped when GPT 4 came out time frame I stopped when GPT 4 came out because that's what got then I switched because that's what got then I switched because that's what got then I switched into AI into AI into AI research so I haven't been doing any research so I haven't been doing any research so I haven't been doing any drawing drawing drawing since November December of since November December of since November December of 2022 but I did a lot of that 2022 but I did a lot of that 2022 but I did a lot of that I used to do comic art and comic books I used to do comic art and comic books I used to do comic art and comic books and my son is in school for art and I and my son is in school for art and I and my son is in school for art and I actually used to get a table at Rose actually used to get a table at Rose actually used to get a table at Rose City ComicCon and sell photoc copies in City ComicCon and sell photoc copies in City ComicCon and sell photoc copies in the late 80s of my art at the table oh the late 80s of my art at the table oh the late 80s of my art at the table oh that's cool so You' have like a whole that's cool so You' have like a whole that's cool so You' have like a whole line and somewhere around here I've got line and somewhere around here I've got line and somewhere around here I've got let's see let's see your art and I can let's see let's see your art and I can let's see let's see your art and I can show you some of my art too where's my show you some of my art too where's my show you some of my art too where's my I've got a pile here somewhere now you're making me figure somewhere now you're making me figure out where all this stuff out where all this stuff out where all this stuff is this is this is from like literally is this is this is from like literally is this is this is from like literally the the the 80s so I need to figure 80s so I need to figure 80s so I need to figure out where it out where it out where it is I see that you're jumping up too is I see that you're jumping up too is I see that you're jumping up too that's that's that's comforting all I found here I found two comforting all I found here I found two comforting all I found here I found two things I'm just looking around my office things I'm just looking around my office things I'm just looking around my office here one was a here one was a here one was a X-Man oh wow that's cool and 1990 it X-Man oh wow that's cool and 1990 it X-Man oh wow that's cool and 1990 it says sh 1990 it looks like you're you're says sh 1990 it looks like you're you're says sh 1990 it looks like you're you're doing fashion design actually did you do doing fashion design actually did you do doing fashion design actually did you do that too did you design like dresses that too did you design like dresses that too did you design like dresses when you were in high school I did I when you were in high school I did I when you were in high school I did I didn't but my son ended up doing that so didn't but my son ended up doing that so didn't but my son ended up doing that so my son it's so funny I love this about my son it's so funny I love this about my son it's so funny I love this about my son my my youngest son is kind of

my son my my youngest son is kind of my son my my youngest son is kind of like a football bro and he's like yeah like a football bro and he's like yeah like a football bro and he's like yeah bro um and like he'll text me like like bro um and like he'll text me like like bro um and like he'll text me like like he's in bruh bro and his buddies will he's in bruh bro and his buddies will he's in bruh bro and his buddies will come over and they'll do they'll do come over and they'll do they'll do come over and they'll do they'll do fashion they'll make pants they'll sew fashion they'll make pants they'll sew fashion they'll make pants they'll sew and they're all the tough guys from the and they're all the tough guys from the and they're all the tough guys from the football te and I just think that's so football te and I just think that's so football te and I just think that's so badass that they're like they'll see badass that they're like they'll see badass that they're like they'll see something that like some Balenciaga something that like some Balenciaga something that like some Balenciaga pants or something like that that are pants or something like that that are pants or something like that that are way too expensive and they'll go we can way too expensive and they'll go we can way too expensive and they'll go we can make those and then they'll go to make those and then they'll go to make those and then they'll go to Goodwill they'll get the pants and then Goodwill they'll get the pants and then Goodwill they'll get the pants and then they'll like make that's wild they'll they'll like make that's wild they'll they'll like make that's wild they'll make this stuff and then they're bro make this stuff and then they're bro make this stuff and then they're bro those pants are sick I love that and those pants are sick I love that and those pants are sick I love that and then I found this this is not at all then I found this this is not at all then I found this this is not at all related but you know I made up the very related but you know I made up the very related but you know I made up the very first uh diabetes management system for first uh diabetes management system for first uh diabetes management system for the Palm Pilot so I found the CD the Palm Pilot so I found the CD the Palm Pilot so I found the CD oh cool so that's a wow that's very was oh cool so that's a wow that's very was oh cool so that's a wow that's very was a hobby so very professional very a hobby so very professional very a hobby so very professional very professional well I mean because I had professional well I mean because I had professional well I mean because I had to print out you know yeah so gluc pilot to print out you know yeah so gluc pilot to print out you know yeah so gluc pilot and what's funny is that this is a 700 and what's funny is that this is a 700 and what's funny is that this is a 700 megabyte CD with a Palm Pilot PRC on it megabyte CD with a Palm Pilot PRC on it megabyte CD with a Palm Pilot PRC on it I think those CDs are 750 750 so 750 Meg I think those CDs are 750 750 so 750 Meg I think those CDs are 750 750 so 750 Meg CD and the there's a CD and the there's a CD and the there's a 48k PRC but people wanted CDs it felt 48k PRC but people wanted CDs it felt 48k PRC but people wanted CDs it felt very special so there's that's literally very special so there's that's literally very special so there's that's literally 40K 48k on it on the thing that was that 40K 48k on it on the thing that was that 40K 48k on it on the thing that was that was a hobby uh that was in the I don't was a hobby uh that was in the I don't was a hobby uh that was in the I don't know when that was so I can I can show know when that was so I can I can show know when that was so I can I can show you some of my drawings yeah let's see you some of my drawings yeah let's see you some of my drawings yeah let's see it um so I've I've got a bunch that are it um so I've I've got a bunch that are it um so I've I've got a bunch that are Star Wars themed here in my office and Star Wars themed here in my office and Star Wars themed here in my office and then I've got non-star Wars themed out then I've got non-star Wars themed out then I've got non-star Wars themed out in the hallway

um all right oh my gosh hang on wow so um all right oh my gosh hang on wow so this that's uh grou this that's uh grou this that's uh grou obviously and is your pencil these your obviously and is your pencil these your obviously and is your pencil these your color pencil yeah good Lord color pencil yeah good Lord color pencil yeah good Lord C3PO or 2D2 okay well this makes me like you 2D2 okay well this makes me like you less what are you not good at I think is less what are you not good at I think is less what are you not good at I think is the um Mar learn they're not I haven't the um Mar learn they're not I haven't the um Mar learn they're not I haven't tried I guess I'm just kidding and here's um non kidding and here's um non uh are these all on the same paper uh are these all on the same paper uh are these all on the same paper yeah do you like have a favorite kind of yeah do you like have a favorite kind of yeah do you like have a favorite kind of paper to do this kind of work yeah uh paper to do this kind of work yeah uh paper to do this kind of work yeah uh paper and paper and paper and pencils these fantastic and there's other ones around fantastic and there's other ones around the house those are great man here's the house those are great man here's the house those are great man here's here's another one one wow which is related to the other hobby wow which is related to the other hobby wow which is related to the other hobby um which is the Star Wars props mention um which is the Star Wars props mention um which is the Star Wars props mention yeah so these Star Wars props are these yeah so these Star Wars props are these yeah so these Star Wars props are these like do you get these on like bees like do you get these on like bees like do you get these on like bees auctions yeah auctions and stuff yeah so auctions yeah auctions and stuff yeah so auctions yeah auctions and stuff yeah so that's that is from the movie so this is that's that is from the movie so this is that's that is from the movie so this is um from Empire Strikes Back and George um from Empire Strikes Back and George um from Empire Strikes Back and George Lucas put it up for auction in the 1990s Lucas put it up for auction in the 1990s Lucas put it up for auction in the 1990s at a charity auction he was in a at a charity auction he was in a at a charity auction he was in a competition with Steven Spielberg to competition with Steven Spielberg to competition with Steven Spielberg to donate the the most impressive item from donate the the most impressive item from donate the the most impressive item from their collections to the auction and their collections to the auction and their collections to the auction and Stephen Spielberg donated uh Indiana

Stephen Spielberg donated uh Indiana Stephen Spielberg donated uh Indiana Jones hat and so Lucas is like okay I'll Jones hat and so Lucas is like okay I'll Jones hat and so Lucas is like okay I'll I'll do one better here's I'll do one better here's I'll do one better here's Vader um now I you know I do like 3D Vader um now I you know I do like 3D Vader um now I you know I do like 3D printing and I've got like a Mandalorian printing and I've got like a Mandalorian printing and I've got like a Mandalorian helmet over there but this is from like helmet over there but this is from like helmet over there but this is from like 1983 or 1980 it's Empire Strikes Back 1983 or 1980 it's Empire Strikes Back 1983 or 1980 it's Empire Strikes Back 1980 is it is it molded plastic is it 1980 is it is it molded plastic is it 1980 is it is it molded plastic is it blown like when you it's plastic yeah blown like when you it's plastic yeah blown like when you it's plastic yeah and I and I've uh actually put it on and and I and I've uh actually put it on and and I and I've uh actually put it on and said to my said to my said to my stepdaughter I am your father you know stepdaughter I am your father you know stepdaughter I am your father you know that's so cool actually I wow and that that's so cool actually I wow and that that's so cool actually I wow and that is your that's your prized yeah this is is your that's your prized yeah this is is your that's your prized yeah this is your PR all of these are real movie your PR all of these are real movie your PR all of these are real movie props yeah this was a storm trer helmet props yeah this was a storm trer helmet props yeah this was a storm trer helmet used uh from the collection of the prop used uh from the collection of the prop used uh from the collection of the prop Master U used in Master U used in Master U used in both uh A New Hope and Empire Strikes both uh A New Hope and Empire Strikes both uh A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back it's one of 35 helmets that were Back it's one of 35 helmets that were Back it's one of 35 helmets that were used in both used in both used in both movies wow this is a stormtrooper rifle movies wow this is a stormtrooper rifle movies wow this is a stormtrooper rifle also used in both also used in both also used in both movies when when you saw them in movies when when you saw them in movies when when you saw them in person do they do they seem like more person do they do they seem like more person do they do they seem like more amazing or less amazing because well the amazing or less amazing because well the amazing or less amazing because well the fascinating thing this is actually a um fascinating thing this is actually a um fascinating thing this is actually a um decommissioned real submachine gun World decommissioned real submachine gun World decommissioned real submachine gun World War II or a British submachine gun that War II or a British submachine gun that War II or a British submachine gun that that's and they just added autal around that's and they just added autal around that's and they just added autal around the outside of it yeah this actually the outside of it yeah this actually the outside of it yeah this actually just um like thick paper mâché it's so just um like thick paper mâché it's so just um like thick paper mâché it's so light it no yeah you press it too hard light it no yeah you press it too hard light it no yeah you press it too hard and you'll Dent it and so they you look and you'll Dent it and so they you look and you'll Dent it and so they you look at Star Wars you think oh those are like at Star Wars you think oh those are like at Star Wars you think oh those are like serious thick plastic no they're not

serious thick plastic no they're not serious thick plastic no they're not there's a whole there's a whole joke there's a whole there's a whole joke there's a whole there's a whole joke right now because there's a a Star Wars right now because there's a a Star Wars right now because there's a a Star Wars Outlaws video game M uh that's uh I I Outlaws video game M uh that's uh I I Outlaws video game M uh that's uh I I love it I played about 35 hours of it love it I played about 35 hours of it love it I played about 35 hours of it but um the the girl in the show punches but um the the girl in the show punches but um the the girl in the show punches the Stormtroopers in the face and the Stormtroopers in the face and the Stormtroopers in the face and they're like helmet punch is not they're like helmet punch is not they're like helmet punch is not realistic and you've just proved that a realistic and you've just proved that a realistic and you've just proved that a helmet punch would be effective yeah it helmet punch would be effective yeah it helmet punch would be effective yeah it would be yeah you you'd break the would be yeah you you'd break the would be yeah you you'd break the helmet and this was um from Return of helmet and this was um from Return of helmet and this was um from Return of the the the Jedi and that is something that Anthony Jedi and that is something that Anthony Jedi and that is something that Anthony Daniels put on his head yep in fact he Daniels put on his head yep in fact he Daniels put on his head yep in fact he uh when I won the auction he signed a uh when I won the auction he signed a uh when I won the auction he signed a photograph of himself saying congrats photograph of himself saying congrats photograph of himself saying congrats mark on winning mark on winning mark on winning this WOW have you ever had any interest this WOW have you ever had any interest this WOW have you ever had any interest in getting into like 3D printing and in getting into like 3D printing and in getting into like 3D printing and making your own helmets no making your own helmets no making your own helmets no no script that's the final thing this no script that's the final thing this no script that's the final thing this was the a script from 1975 you can see was the a script from 1975 you can see was the a script from 1975 you can see it's called the Star Wars so the story it's called the Star Wars so the story it's called the Star Wars so the story is different from the final but this is is different from the final but this is is different from the final but this is the version that 20th Century Fox green the version that 20th Century Fox green the version that 20th Century Fox green lit the movie of based on they green it lit the movie of based on they green it lit the movie of based on they green it based on the just like the Facebook yeah based on the just like the Facebook yeah based on the just like the Facebook yeah and it's called the main character is and it's called the main character is and it's called the main character is Luke Star Luke Star Luke Star Killer oh that is that wow is that yours Killer oh that is that wow is that yours Killer oh that is that wow is that yours from then yeah that's pretty wild uh from then yeah that's pretty wild uh from then yeah that's pretty wild uh 1977 I would have been 1977 I would have been 1977 I would have been three Merry three Merry three Merry Christmas that was 1980 Merry Christmas Christmas that was 1980 Merry Christmas Christmas that was 1980 Merry Christmas 1980 you know like that I've got that

1980 you know like that I've got that 1980 you know like that I've got that still I've got the the big question still I've got the the big question still I've got the the big question answer book about answer book about answer book about space super important cuz that was the space super important cuz that was the space super important cuz that was the thing when Star Wars came out everyone thing when Star Wars came out everyone thing when Star Wars came out everyone was like well let's talk about space was like well let's talk about space was like well let's talk about space what is an asteroid yeah that's really what is an asteroid yeah that's really what is an asteroid yeah that's really cool yeah and those are all good spines cool yeah and those are all good spines cool yeah and those are all good spines and I've had that sitting around the and I've had that sitting around the and I've had that sitting around the house here for well shoot 40 years so you never got into the 3D years so you never got into the 3D printing no that's your other that's printing no that's your other that's printing no that's your other that's your other hobby right your other hobby right your other hobby right I would say that's probably a fair hob I would say that's probably a fair hob I would say that's probably a fair hob I've got a lot of hobbies 3D printing is I've got a lot of hobbies 3D printing is I've got a lot of hobbies 3D printing is one that you showed me that before that one that you showed me that before that one that you showed me that before that that is really really cool that came that is really really cool that came that is really really cool that came directly off the off the print and then directly off the off the print and then directly off the off the print and then this is just a welder helmet that I cut this is just a welder helmet that I cut this is just a welder helmet that I cut and you can see inside that it's kind of and you can see inside that it's kind of and you can see inside that it's kind of not clean uhhuh it's not it didn't not clean uhhuh it's not it didn't not clean uhhuh it's not it didn't because the the because you wore it when because the the because you wore it when because the the because you wore it when you're you were dirty no that that is you're you were dirty no that that is you're you were dirty no that that is the uh the the filament kind of leaking the uh the the filament kind of leaking the uh the the filament kind of leaking down down down and I haven't even like that came and I haven't even like that came and I haven't even like that came directly you can see the the lines but directly you can see the the lines but directly you can see the the lines but it's minimal minimal so that worked out it's minimal minimal so that worked out it's minimal minimal so that worked out great that's one how long did that take great that's one how long did that take great that's one how long did that take to print uh that was 17 straight to print uh that was 17 straight to print uh that was 17 straight hours came directly off the print sits hours came directly off the print sits hours came directly off the print sits like that and then I had you know had to like that and then I had you know had to like that and then I had you know had to do a little bit of like light light do a little bit of like light light do a little bit of like light light light light sanding but I've got I've light light sanding but I've got I've light light sanding but I've got I've got I want to do a um now I I need to do got I want to do a um now I I need to do got I want to do a um now I I need to do a stormtrooper on principle mhm and then

a stormtrooper on principle mhm and then a stormtrooper on principle mhm and then the these ones this was um a plan from Ada fruit ones this was um a plan from Ada fruit my friend Lam more freed from Ada fruit my friend Lam more freed from Ada fruit my friend Lam more freed from Ada fruit you show me that too that I love that you show me that too that I love that you show me that too that I love that this one's great now you can see that there's some great now you can see that there's some seams where the light comes through I seams where the light comes through I seams where the light comes through I need to cover I don't know if you can need to cover I don't know if you can need to cover I don't know if you can hear it or not yeah I can hear it or not yeah I can hear it or not yeah I can yeah so it's got a micro python uh yeah so it's got a micro python uh yeah so it's got a micro python uh inside there and that was all 3D printed inside there and that was all 3D printed inside there and that was all 3D printed and then there's an LED Loop inside here and then there's an LED Loop inside here and then there's an LED Loop inside here and I just need to figure out how to and I just need to figure out how to and I just need to figure out how to cover these seams it's black cover these seams it's black cover these seams it's black marker yeah that's probably one way to marker yeah that's probably one way to marker yeah that's probably one way to do do do it and it and it and then I've got a then I've got a then I've got a uh this uh this uh this one is uh a bespoke lightsaber that was one is uh a bespoke lightsaber that was one is uh a bespoke lightsaber that was given to me by a net user group so it's given to me by a net user group so it's given to me by a net user group so it's net colored net net colored net net colored net purple lightsaber I don't have any like purple lightsaber I don't have any like purple lightsaber I don't have any like glow Forge high quality whatever they glow Forge high quality whatever they glow Forge high quality whatever they call the super for you know the Saber call the super for you know the Saber call the super for you know the Saber Forge I need to but on the 3D printing prop side I to but on the 3D printing prop side I was very proud of this was very proud of this was very proud of this one this is uh Han Solo

nice and that was 3D printed in about 50 nice and that was 3D printed in about 50 or 60 parts and this is not painted so or 60 parts and this is not painted so or 60 parts and this is not painted so each this is a wood filament from a each this is a wood filament from a each this is a wood filament from a place called protop pasta where they place called protop pasta where they place called protop pasta where they Infuse metal or wood into the plastic to Infuse metal or wood into the plastic to Infuse metal or wood into the plastic to make it look better what wait I don't make it look better what wait I don't make it look better what wait I don't understand so filament is pla right understand so filament is pla right understand so filament is pla right it's this is 3D printed the that wood it's this is 3D printed the that wood it's this is 3D printed the that wood thing this wooden handle is 3D printed thing this wooden handle is 3D printed thing this wooden handle is 3D printed in a wood wood filament so it's like 90% in a wood wood filament so it's like 90% in a wood wood filament so it's like 90% plastic 10% wood smells like wood uh plastic 10% wood smells like wood uh plastic 10% wood smells like wood uh this is a got a carbon fiber you know in this is a got a carbon fiber you know in this is a got a carbon fiber you know in it uh they they Infuse flexs of metal or it uh they they Infuse flexs of metal or it uh they they Infuse flexs of metal or wood or whatever and then you assemble wood or whatever and then you assemble wood or whatever and then you assemble it these are it these are it these are brass so it's still plastic but it's but brass so it's still plastic but it's but brass so it's still plastic but it's but it's brass infused or silver infused and it's brass infused or silver infused and it's brass infused or silver infused and it turns out freaking amazing I mean I it turns out freaking amazing I mean I it turns out freaking amazing I mean I printed that I printed that on a $600 printed that I printed that on a $600 printed that I printed that on a $600 printer printer printer yeah so not as cool as uh getting yeah so not as cool as uh getting yeah so not as cool as uh getting something on a auction but still fun yeah and I've got a bunch of 3D fun yeah and I've got a bunch of 3D printing filament right there Ah that's printing filament right there Ah that's printing filament right there Ah that's what that is yeah oh yeah so all of this what that is yeah oh yeah so all of this what that is yeah oh yeah so all of this I thought it was your C six I thought it was your C six I thought it was your C six cables yeah so for example that would be cables yeah so for example that would be cables yeah so for example that would be the uh you know that would be like the the uh you know that would be like the the uh you know that would be like the the like I could print a C3PO the like I could print a C3PO the like I could print a C3PO head like that now the correct way to do

head like that now the correct way to do head like that now the correct way to do it is you sand it and and putty it and it is you sand it and and putty it and it is you sand it and and putty it and sand it and sand it and then paint it sand it and sand it and then paint it sand it and sand it and then paint it and then do that kind of stuff um that and then do that kind of stuff um that and then do that kind of stuff um that is the part of 3D printing that I find is the part of 3D printing that I find is the part of 3D printing that I find the least glamorous and I try to avoid the least glamorous and I try to avoid the least glamorous and I try to avoid cuz man really really good 3D printers cuz man really really good 3D printers cuz man really really good 3D printers like electr plating mhm people will like electr plating mhm people will like electr plating mhm people will electroplate a 3D print they'll get a electroplate a 3D print they'll get a electroplate a 3D print they'll get a giant bucket and they'll put electricity giant bucket and they'll put electricity giant bucket and they'll put electricity into it and then they'll they'll into it and then they'll they'll into it and then they'll they'll electroplate a a a a I bet you could get electroplate a a a a I bet you could get electroplate a a a a I bet you could get a great Mandalorian helmet with that oh a great Mandalorian helmet with that oh a great Mandalorian helmet with that oh my God so good but the amount of like I my God so good but the amount of like I my God so good but the amount of like I don't have a I would dedicate my garage don't have a I would dedicate my garage don't have a I would dedicate my garage and then I do it now you're gonna nerd and then I do it now you're gonna nerd and then I do it now you're gonna nerd snipe me yes but it's cool because you snipe me yes but it's cool because you snipe me yes but it's cool because you can print all kinds of stuff like can print all kinds of stuff like can print all kinds of stuff like printing a uh this is a it makes a a printing a uh this is a it makes a a printing a uh this is a it makes a a barbell into a um kettle bell a kettle barbell into a um kettle bell a kettle barbell into a um kettle bell a kettle bell bell bell mhm yeah so if you need if you need 3D mhm yeah so if you need if you need 3D mhm yeah so if you need if you need 3D plastic crap come to you plastic crap come to you plastic crap come to you I'm your guy all right I need a I'm your guy all right I need a I'm your guy all right I need a Mandalorian helmet do you Mandalorian helmet do you Mandalorian helmet do you electroplated the electr plating man electroplated the electr plating man electroplated the electr plating man that is the thing I don't know you can't that is the thing I don't know you can't that is the thing I don't know you can't if you're going to do it you need to do if you're going to do it you need to do if you're going to do it you need to do it all the way got to go all the way how it all the way got to go all the way how it all the way got to go all the way how do you struggle with that with the with do you struggle with that with the with do you struggle with that with the with the Hobbies oh let me show you this uh where this one's where this one's interesting and actually instead of interesting and actually instead of interesting and actually instead of doing the camera that way I'll do it doing the camera that way I'll do it doing the camera that way I'll do it like like like this upside down I like

um um that is one of those that is one of those that is one of those foldable metal models have you ever seen foldable metal models have you ever seen foldable metal models have you ever seen these yeah in fact I've got one you can these yeah in fact I've got one you can these yeah in fact I've got one you can buy them in the airport in CC they're so buy them in the airport in CC they're so buy them in the airport in CC they're so hard I I was like this looks too hard hard I I was like this looks too hard hard I I was like this looks too hard for me so I haven't made it it's a for me so I haven't made it it's a for me so I haven't made it it's a fighter I got a yeah and like that's fighter I got a yeah and like that's fighter I got a yeah and like that's page one and there's no instructions so page one and there's no instructions so page one and there's no instructions so it's like imagine an Ikea catalog and it's like imagine an Ikea catalog and it's like imagine an Ikea catalog and then add in tweezers and magnifying then add in tweezers and magnifying then add in tweezers and magnifying glasses and the goal is to make that yeah I I'm this is where yeah that yeah I I'm this is where yeah that's your Source material I'm that's your Source material I'm that's your Source material I'm not so you built just part of it you not so you built just part of it you not so you built just part of it you haven't finished so that's the leg how haven't finished so that's the leg how haven't finished so that's the leg how long did that take that was about four long did that take that was about four long did that take that was about four hours last hours last hours last week but I've got a final one that I've week but I've got a final one that I've week but I've got a final one that I've made on the Shelf over here that's like made on the Shelf over here that's like made on the Shelf over here that's like a smaller uh Optimus smaller uh Optimus Prime just to give you a sense these are Prime just to give you a sense these are Prime just to give you a sense these are and that one's a giant one so that like and that one's a giant one so that like and that one's a giant one so that like that's like the perfect grade Gundam that's like the perfect grade Gundam that's like the perfect grade Gundam kind of a thing mhm kind of a thing mhm kind of a thing mhm ooh how long that one take that was ooh how long that one take that was ooh how long that one take that was probably eight eight hours so I just probably eight eight hours so I just probably eight eight hours so I just kind of like watch Netflix and fold kind of like watch Netflix and fold kind of like watch Netflix and fold metal with metal with metal with tweezers which is a perfectly normal tweezers which is a perfectly normal tweezers which is a perfectly normal hobby for a normal person I didn't hobby for a normal person I didn't hobby for a normal person I didn't realize they don't really tell you how realize they don't really tell you how realize they don't really tell you how involved those things are to make when involved those things are to make when involved those things are to make when you look at

you look at you look at the Box they they really don't and they the Box they they really don't and they the Box they they really don't and they don't say by the way you need other don't say by the way you need other don't say by the way you need other tools to that you know it's not it's not tools to that you know it's not it's not tools to that you know it's not it's not s contained you need to go buy so you're s contained you need to go buy so you're s contained you need to go buy so you're getting into the thing and then you're getting into the thing and then you're getting into the thing and then you're like oh go to Amazon I need to get this like oh go to Amazon I need to get this like oh go to Amazon I need to get this tool and I need to get that tool and I tool and I need to get that tool and I tool and I need to get that tool and I need like yeah and then you can cut need like yeah and then you can cut need like yeah and then you can cut yourself like you're effec working with yourself like you're effec working with yourself like you're effec working with razor razor razor wire and then I need to get one of those wire and then I need to get one of those wire and then I need to get one of those like like surgery Loops or whatever like like like surgery Loops or whatever like like like surgery Loops or whatever like the the Diamond Loop you know uncut gems Loops those are that's interesting so Loops those are that's interesting so what other Hobbies do we have do we ever what other Hobbies do we have do we ever what other Hobbies do we have do we ever go outside though do I go outside yeah go outside though do I go outside yeah go outside though do I go outside yeah because I'm just to realize that we're because I'm just to realize that we're because I'm just to realize that we're sitting here talking about our hobbies sitting here talking about our hobbies sitting here talking about our hobbies and not one of us required us to leave and not one of us required us to leave and not one of us required us to leave the the the house uh hike yeah hiking I like hiking house uh hike yeah hiking I like hiking house uh hike yeah hiking I like hiking yeah yeah that's such a Pacific yeah yeah that's such a Pacific yeah yeah that's such a Pacific Northwest Northwest Northwest hiking do you do any sports I did hiking do you do any sports I did hiking do you do any sports I did Taekwondo I played um soccer and then Taekwondo I played um soccer and then Taekwondo I played um soccer and then you know basketball in high school and you know basketball in high school and you know basketball in high school and Inter murals in college yeah and then I stopped playing yeah and then I stopped playing basketball I did pick up basketball basketball I did pick up basketball basketball I did pick up basketball after college but then I stopped when it after college but then I stopped when it after college but then I stopped when it just you you risk like yeah you pick up just you you risk like yeah you pick up just you you risk like yeah you pick up basketball you getting getting a basketball you getting getting a basketball you getting getting a twisting your ankle or somebody stepping twisting your ankle or somebody stepping twisting your ankle or somebody stepping on you how tall are you 6'4 66 66 yeah on you how tall are you 6'4 66 66 yeah on you how tall are you 6'4 66 66 yeah you're required to play basketball I you're required to play basketball I you're required to play basketball I think at 6'4 and above right that's just

think at 6'4 and above right that's just think at 6'4 and above right that's just it's mandatory yeah but that sounds like it's mandatory yeah but that sounds like it's mandatory yeah but that sounds like a good way to twist a knee and then a good way to twist a knee and then a good way to twist a knee and then you're going to be shorter hobbled for you're going to be shorter hobbled for you're going to be shorter hobbled for Life yeah yeah I don't do that yeah uh I Life yeah yeah I don't do that yeah uh I Life yeah yeah I don't do that yeah uh I heard myself a lot during Taekwondo I heard myself a lot during Taekwondo I heard myself a lot during Taekwondo I was like ripping toenails off uh broke was like ripping toenails off uh broke was like ripping toenails off uh broke my pinky toe a couple times hit kicking my pinky toe a couple times hit kicking my pinky toe a couple times hit kicking stuff you know just not smart these are non-c cont sports that smart these are non-c cont sports that I'm doing I'm doing I'm doing now but hobbies are yeah hobbies are now but hobbies are yeah hobbies are now but hobbies are yeah hobbies are mandatory yeah they are mandatory it's mandatory yeah they are mandatory it's mandatory yeah they are mandatory it's healthy I think that we make a mistake I healthy I think that we make a mistake I healthy I think that we make a mistake I think computer people this is what I'm think computer people this is what I'm think computer people this is what I'm going to end on computer people make a going to end on computer people make a going to end on computer people make a mistake when they tell other computer mistake when they tell other computer mistake when they tell other computer people that their Hobbies have to be people that their Hobbies have to be people that their Hobbies have to be computer related or their hobby is their computer related or their hobby is their computer related or their hobby is their work yes or it has to be monetized yeah work yes or it has to be monetized yeah work yes or it has to be monetized yeah like like it's like okay I 3D print like like it's like okay I 3D print like like it's like okay I 3D print stuff but I'm not selling it on Etsy it stuff but I'm not selling it on Etsy it stuff but I'm not selling it on Etsy it does not have to be like that like if does not have to be like that like if does not have to be like that like if you like you deserve let me rephrase you like you deserve let me rephrase you like you deserve let me rephrase like maybe you need to sell your thing like maybe you need to sell your thing like maybe you need to sell your thing on Etsy but on Etsy but on Etsy but your like your worth isn't what you can your like your worth isn't what you can your like your worth isn't what you can produce like sometimes a hobby can just produce like sometimes a hobby can just produce like sometimes a hobby can just be useless like when I'm done with that be useless like when I'm done with that be useless like when I'm done with that uh that shock wave or Soundwave it's uh that shock wave or Soundwave it's uh that shock wave or Soundwave it's it's going to represent like 30 hours it's going to represent like 30 hours it's going to represent like 30 hours like any one of your pieces of art are like any one of your pieces of art are like any one of your pieces of art are unique bespoke there's no copy they are unique bespoke there's no copy they are unique bespoke there's no copy they are unique on the planet and they exist only unique on the planet and they exist only unique on the planet and they exist only for you to walk by in the hallway and go for you to walk by in the hallway and go for you to walk by in the hallway and go yeah yeah exactly that's cool that's yeah yeah exactly that's cool that's yeah yeah exactly that's cool that's cool all right man all right well I'd cool all right man all right well I'd cool all right man all right well I'd love to hear about your hobbies audience love to hear about your hobbies audience love to hear about your hobbies audience in the comments are you well balanced as

in the comments are you well balanced as in the comments are you well balanced as well and how do do you find balance in well and how do do you find balance in well and how do do you find balance in your uh in your H yeah post picks of your uh in your H yeah post picks of your uh in your H yeah post picks of your stuff if you make it yeah hey your stuff if you make it yeah hey your stuff if you make it yeah hey actually follow follow us on on Blue Sky actually follow follow us on on Blue Sky actually follow follow us on on Blue Sky and share us uh share us pictures of and share us uh share us pictures of and share us uh share us pictures of your hobbies that would be a great idea your hobbies that would be a great idea your hobbies that would be a great idea yeah we'll do that we'll put links in yeah we'll do that we'll put links in yeah we'll do that we'll put links in the show the show the show notes all right friends that is an notes all right friends that is an notes all right friends that is an episode I think right there we'll see episode I think right there we'll see episode I think right there we'll see you again next week