EPISODE 22 - Scott and Mark Learn To… What Makes Good 1-1s

I think I told Yeah, I remember this. I I think I told Yeah, I remember this. I really like gifts in Teams really like gifts in Teams really like gifts in Teams and I just like, you know, my my if I and I just like, you know, my my if I and I just like, you know, my my if I have a mediocre day of nothing but have a mediocre day of nothing but have a mediocre day of nothing but meetings and I just drop an absolute meetings and I just drop an absolute meetings and I just drop an absolute banger in Teams, get like three thumbs banger in Teams, get like three thumbs banger in Teams, get like three thumbs up for like an animated gift, but then up for like an animated gift, but then up for like an animated gift, but then my boss texts me not helpful. my boss texts me not helpful. my boss texts me not helpful. >> Then it's not, >> Then it's not, >> Then it's not, >> okay, that's a different kind of >> okay, that's a different kind of >> okay, that's a different kind of feedback. That's feedback. That's feedback. That's >> most most of my feedback is that I'm not >> most most of my feedback is that I'm not >> most most of my feedback is that I'm not code switching appropriately code switching appropriately code switching appropriately >> based on context cuz I'm the same guy in >> based on context cuz I'm the same guy in >> based on context cuz I'm the same guy in all meetings and that's not always all meetings and that's not always all meetings and that's not always appropriate. appropriate. appropriate. >> You know, I just assume everyone has the >> You know, I just assume everyone has the >> You know, I just assume everyone has the same context. So I'll be in a meeting same context. So I'll be in a meeting same context. So I'll be in a meeting and I'll be talking like I'm talking to and I'll be talking like I'm talking to and I'll be talking like I'm talking to you and they're like, "No, that that you and they're like, "No, that that you and they're like, "No, that that group was not they did not need to know group was not they did not need to know group was not they did not need to know where all the bodies were buried for where all the bodies were buried for where all the bodies were buried for that particular project or whatever." that particular project or whatever." that particular project or whatever." >> Visibility I find really challenging. >> Visibility I find really challenging. >> Visibility I find really challenging. like I can't remember who knows what. like I can't remember who knows what. like I can't remember who knows what. >> It's tough especially when you're in >> It's tough especially when you're in >> It's tough especially when you're in meetings with different overlapping sets meetings with different overlapping sets meetings with different overlapping sets of people. of people. of people. >> Yeah, cuz the the altitude changes >> Yeah, cuz the the altitude changes >> Yeah, cuz the the altitude changes between meetings very very dramatically.

between meetings very very dramatically. between meetings very very dramatically. And uh I've tried color coding my And uh I've tried color coding my And uh I've tried color coding my meetings and trying to get organized meetings and trying to get organized meetings and trying to get organized that way. But uh I even have three that way. But uh I even have three that way. But uh I even have three different colors for my one-on- ones, different colors for my one-on- ones, different colors for my one-on- ones, whether it's direct skips or others in whether it's direct skips or others in whether it's direct skips or others in other organizations as a way of other organizations as a way of other organizations as a way of coordinating like, okay, this person coordinating like, okay, this person coordinating like, okay, this person doesn't have the context, but this doesn't have the context, but this doesn't have the context, but this person has direct context. And uh do you person has direct context. And uh do you person has direct context. And uh do you color code your stuff? Uh my I color color code your stuff? Uh my I color color code your stuff? Uh my I color code by type of meeting, not that fine code by type of meeting, not that fine code by type of meeting, not that fine grain, but like if it's a customer grain, but like if it's a customer grain, but like if it's a customer meeting versus um a a team um a team meeting versus um a a team um a team meeting versus um a a team um a team meeting that is where it's presenting to meeting that is where it's presenting to meeting that is where it's presenting to me, it's a forum that I'm running versus me, it's a forum that I'm running versus me, it's a forum that I'm running versus I'm participant versus a one-on-one with I'm participant versus a one-on-one with I'm participant versus a one-on-one with a somebody senior. a somebody senior. a somebody senior. >> [music] >> Okay. >> Okay. I um my team had a little bit of a reorg I um my team had a little bit of a reorg I um my team had a little bit of a reorg and I got new people and a varying and and I got new people and a varying and and I got new people and a varying and sunundry levels and uh I have found a sunundry levels and uh I have found a sunundry levels and uh I have found a lot of sloppiness and lack of clarity in lot of sloppiness and lack of clarity in lot of sloppiness and lack of clarity in how most people do one-on- ones and most how most people do one-on- ones and most how most people do one-on- ones and most one-on- ones are just a weekly hangout one-on- ones are just a weekly hangout one-on- ones are just a weekly hangout with someone who does your annual with someone who does your annual with someone who does your annual review. And I think that that's review. And I think that that's review. And I think that that's problematic. So I like a little more problematic. So I like a little more problematic. So I like a little more structure to my one-on- ones. How do you structure to my one-on- ones. How do you structure to my one-on- ones. How do you do your one-on- ones depending on where do your one-on- ones depending on where do your one-on- ones depending on where the person is in New York?

the person is in New York? the person is in New York? >> Well, I've got so senior people, my >> Well, I've got so senior people, my >> Well, I've got so senior people, my directs that I do one-on- ones with and directs that I do one-on- ones with and directs that I do one-on- ones with and then I do one on one check-ins, you then I do one on one check-ins, you then I do one on one check-ins, you know, skip levels and I also go through know, skip levels and I also go through know, skip levels and I also go through and meet with every single person on my and meet with every single person on my and meet with every single person on my team for 15 minutes. I cycle through team for 15 minutes. I cycle through team for 15 minutes. I cycle through throughout the year. So, I've got about throughout the year. So, I've got about throughout the year. So, I've got about 55 people. So, that allows me to go 55 people. So, that allows me to go 55 people. So, that allows me to go through the team roughly twice in a through the team roughly twice in a through the team roughly twice in a year. year. year. >> And the way that I treat them is a >> And the way that I treat them is a >> And the way that I treat them is a little bit differently. one of the little bit differently. one of the little bit differently. one of the directs, I ask them to provide a an directs, I ask them to provide a an directs, I ask them to provide a an agenda of what they want to talk about agenda of what they want to talk about agenda of what they want to talk about beforehand. beforehand. beforehand. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And for the other ones, I I'm not so >> And for the other ones, I I'm not so >> And for the other ones, I I'm not so structured. structured. structured. >> Okay. Which makes sense because I would >> Okay. Which makes sense because I would >> Okay. Which makes sense because I would assume that the people at the lower assume that the people at the lower assume that the people at the lower levels are uncomfortable or nervous and levels are uncomfortable or nervous and levels are uncomfortable or nervous and they think you're creeping around trying they think you're creeping around trying they think you're creeping around trying to doublech checkck their work and you to doublech checkck their work and you to doublech checkck their work and you need to make sure that they feel welcome need to make sure that they feel welcome need to make sure that they feel welcome and that that's not what that is for. and that that's not what that is for. and that that's not what that is for. >> That's right. and the um the check I >> That's right. and the um the check I >> That's right. and the um the check I call them check-ins the 15 minutes just call them check-ins the 15 minutes just call them check-ins the 15 minutes just they're not related to what they're they're not related to what they're they're not related to what they're doing work-wise unless they want to talk doing work-wise unless they want to talk doing work-wise unless they want to talk about that. It's just tell me what's top about that. It's just tell me what's top about that. It's just tell me what's top of mind. How are things are going? How of mind. How are things are going? How of mind. How are things are going? How are you feeling? How's the or how's your are you feeling? How's the or how's your are you feeling? How's the or how's your boss? Any issues you're running into?

boss? Any issues you're running into? boss? Any issues you're running into? Any feedback for me? Any feedback for me? Any feedback for me? >> Um >> Um >> Um a lot of times they're like everything's a lot of times they're like everything's a lot of times they're like everything's great. Let me tell you what I'm working great. Let me tell you what I'm working great. Let me tell you what I'm working on. on. on. >> That's because of the visibility myth. >> That's because of the visibility myth. >> That's because of the visibility myth. >> Yeah. Everybody wants to be visible and >> Yeah. Everybody wants to be visible and >> Yeah. Everybody wants to be visible and they think that a promo can't happen they think that a promo can't happen they think that a promo can't happen unless your boss knows your name. unless your boss knows your name. unless your boss knows your name. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. And and do they ever give >> Yeah. Okay. And and do they ever give >> Yeah. Okay. And and do they ever give you pointed feedback? Hey Mark, you did you pointed feedback? Hey Mark, you did you pointed feedback? Hey Mark, you did a thing I didn't like. a thing I didn't like. a thing I didn't like. >> I've not received any. >> I've not received any. >> I've not received any. >> I get that so much. >> I get that so much. >> I get that so much. >> You get pointed feedback? >> You get pointed feedback? >> You get pointed feedback? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> None. >> None. >> None. >> I mean, I get I did have some good >> I mean, I get I did have some good >> I mean, I get I did have some good pointed feedback. I think I told you pointed feedback. I think I told you pointed feedback. I think I told you this years ago. They it coined a new this years ago. They it coined a new this years ago. They it coined a new term which was the Hanselman blast term which was the Hanselman blast term which was the Hanselman blast radius. You probably have the Recinovich radius. You probably have the Recinovich radius. You probably have the Recinovich blast radius where you know like you blast radius where you know like you blast radius where you know like you throw a grenade into the crowd and throw a grenade into the crowd and throw a grenade into the crowd and people who didn't mean to get blown up people who didn't mean to get blown up people who didn't mean to get blown up got blown up. got blown up. got blown up. >> The issue was I would send an email and >> The issue was I would send an email and >> The issue was I would send an email and I would add too many people and then I would add too many people and then I would add too many people and then they would add people and the next thing they would add people and the next thing they would add people and the next thing you know a simple basic technical you know a simple basic technical you know a simple basic technical question became meetings. question became meetings. question became meetings. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> About a thing I needed >> About a thing I needed >> About a thing I needed >> that. So that one really bugs me. Um >> that. So that one really bugs me. Um >> that. So that one really bugs me. Um which is hey let's meet and discuss which is hey let's meet and discuss which is hey let's meet and discuss this. I just want to understand what's this. I just want to understand what's this. I just want to understand what's going on early in the process. And then going on early in the process. And then going on early in the process. And then I get there and I find out there's been I get there and I find out there's been I get there and I find out there's been two prep meetings and there's a slide two prep meetings and there's a slide two prep meetings and there's a slide deck and there's 30 people in the deck and there's 30 people in the deck and there's 30 people in the meeting. [laughter] meeting. [laughter] meeting. [laughter] >> Yeah. And you show up and you're on the >> Yeah. And you show up and you're on the >> Yeah. And you show up and you're on the spot and they don't realize that they spot and they don't realize that they spot and they don't realize that they think they're doing you a service think they're doing you a service think they're doing you a service >> and they've done exactly what you >> and they've done exactly what you >> and they've done exactly what you >> and I just wanted a casual discussion >> and I just wanted a casual discussion >> and I just wanted a casual discussion like low pressure with just a few people like low pressure with just a few people like low pressure with just a few people that could talk deeply about it.

that could talk deeply about it. that could talk deeply about it. >> Yeah. Literally today, an hour and a >> Yeah. Literally today, an hour and a >> Yeah. Literally today, an hour and a half ago, someone said, "I want you to half ago, someone said, "I want you to half ago, someone said, "I want you to meet with so and so. Should we do a prep meet with so and so. Should we do a prep meet with so and so. Should we do a prep meeting?" I will avoid prep meetings at meeting?" I will avoid prep meetings at meeting?" I will avoid prep meetings at all cost. Not because I don't need to all cost. Not because I don't need to all cost. Not because I don't need to prep because I don't need to prep for a prep because I don't need to prep for a prep because I don't need to prep for a twoperson meeting or threeperson twoperson meeting or threeperson twoperson meeting or threeperson meeting. So 100% agree. Yeah. The blast meeting. So 100% agree. Yeah. The blast meeting. So 100% agree. Yeah. The blast radius thing was important for me to radius thing was important for me to radius thing was important for me to recognize though that when I you know recognize though that when I you know recognize though that when I you know when someone texts you and they say like when someone texts you and they say like when someone texts you and they say like we need to talk we need to talk we need to talk like are we am I in trouble? Am I going like are we am I in trouble? Am I going like are we am I in trouble? Am I going to to to >> Well, actually that one's annoying in >> Well, actually that one's annoying in >> Well, actually that one's annoying in any aspect of life professionally or any aspect of life professionally or any aspect of life professionally or personally which is the do you have five personally which is the do you have five personally which is the do you have five minutes? minutes? minutes? >> Can I are you free? And I'm like, >> Can I are you free? And I'm like, >> Can I are you free? And I'm like, >> depend like depends. >> depend like depends. >> depend like depends. >> Depends. It depends. Like exactly. Who >> Depends. It depends. Like exactly. Who >> Depends. It depends. Like exactly. Who are you? Why are we doing this? Is it are you? Why are we doing this? Is it are you? Why are we doing this? Is it good? Is it bad? Do I get candy? Are good? Is it bad? Do I get candy? Are good? Is it bad? Do I get candy? Are there snacks? there snacks? there snacks? >> Is it urgent? Is it could it wait till >> Is it urgent? Is it could it wait till >> Is it urgent? Is it could it wait till tomorrow? Like tomorrow? Like tomorrow? Like >> I am lousy with that. I'm doing better. >> I am lousy with that. I'm doing better. >> I am lousy with that. I'm doing better. But now I say, you know, I'll text But now I say, you know, I'll text But now I say, you know, I'll text people like, "Hey, can we talk for 10 people like, "Hey, can we talk for 10 people like, "Hey, can we talk for 10 minutes? It's a good thing." Or minutes? It's a good thing." Or minutes? It's a good thing." Or something like that. something like that. something like that. >> Even that's vague. Just tell them what >> Even that's vague. Just tell them what >> Even that's vague. Just tell them what you want to talk about. Like I can't you want to talk about. Like I can't you want to talk about. Like I can't stand that. stand that. stand that. >> It's bonus time. Just tell them like, >> It's bonus time. Just tell them like, >> It's bonus time. Just tell them like, "Hey, can I get, you know, all right, I "Hey, can I get, you know, all right, I "Hey, can I get, you know, all right, I guess?" If you're their I mean if you're guess?" If you're their I mean if you're guess?" If you're their I mean if you're their boss and it's a good thing and you their boss and it's a good thing and you their boss and it's a good thing and you want to surprise them that's fine but if want to surprise them that's fine but if want to surprise them that's fine but if it's it's it's >> let's discuss this topic >> let's discuss this topic >> let's discuss this topic >> like just tell them.

>> like just tell them. >> like just tell them. >> So you're a fan of the noh hello people >> So you're a fan of the noh hello people >> So you're a fan of the noh hello people that put in that they put like no hello. that put in that they put like no hello. that put in that they put like no hello. Have you seen that website? Have you seen that website? Have you seen that website? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> There's a site I think it's nohello.com. >> There's a site I think it's nohello.com. >> There's a site I think it's nohello.com. >> Yeah. It's literally nohello.com. Please >> Yeah. It's literally nohello.com. Please >> Yeah. It's literally nohello.com. Please don't say hello in chat. don't say hello in chat. don't say hello in chat. Just say hi- dash I'm working and then Just say hi- dash I'm working and then Just say hi- dash I'm working and then ask the question. ask the question. ask the question. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But if you do hello and then you wave. >> But if you do hello and then you wave. >> But if you do hello and then you wave. >> Yeah. annoying. That's really >> Yeah. annoying. That's really >> Yeah. annoying. That's really >> just tell me what you want. >> just tell me what you want. >> just tell me what you want. >> Yeah. On the one side, one of the things >> Yeah. On the one side, one of the things >> Yeah. On the one side, one of the things I've tried to do better better lately I've tried to do better better lately I've tried to do better better lately because I'm trying to be a better because I'm trying to be a better because I'm trying to be a better manager is I've been asking people, "How manager is I've been asking people, "How manager is I've been asking people, "How do you want to be managed?" do you want to be managed?" do you want to be managed?" >> Like, I've got one person on my team who >> Like, I've got one person on my team who >> Like, I've got one person on my team who is like, you know, I don't need regular is like, you know, I don't need regular is like, you know, I don't need regular one-on- ones. We can just do email. I one-on- ones. We can just do email. I one-on- ones. We can just do email. I feel good. I have confidence in my work. feel good. I have confidence in my work. feel good. I have confidence in my work. We can talk whenever you want, but like We can talk whenever you want, but like We can talk whenever you want, but like your one-on- ones are slowing me down. your one-on- ones are slowing me down. your one-on- ones are slowing me down. And then other people are like, "No, I And then other people are like, "No, I And then other people are like, "No, I would like them twice a week because it would like them twice a week because it would like them twice a week because it makes me feel better about my job and makes me feel better about my job and makes me feel better about my job and it's structured and it's organized and it's structured and it's organized and it's structured and it's organized and that." So I have been asking people, that." So I have been asking people, that." So I have been asking people, "How do you want to be managed? Do you "How do you want to be managed? Do you "How do you want to be managed? Do you prefer Teams? Do you prefer email?" And prefer Teams? Do you prefer email?" And prefer Teams? Do you prefer email?" And I realized that a lot of managers show I realized that a lot of managers show I realized that a lot of managers show up and they declare, "Okay, here's how up and they declare, "Okay, here's how up and they declare, "Okay, here's how we do things here. I want weekly Monday we do things here. I want weekly Monday we do things here. I want weekly Monday emails or I want weekly, you know, emails or I want weekly, you know, emails or I want weekly, you know, regular daily reports." And um I try to regular daily reports." And um I try to regular daily reports." And um I try to find a little bit place in the middle find a little bit place in the middle find a little bit place in the middle where I ask people how they want me to where I ask people how they want me to where I ask people how they want me to manage them. Hm. [clears throat] manage them. Hm. [clears throat] manage them. Hm. [clears throat] >> They're growing. These are adults. I >> They're growing. These are adults. I >> They're growing. These are adults. I don't need to know when your out of don't need to know when your out of don't need to know when your out of office is just office is just office is just >> Well, I mean, uh, the out of office >> Well, I mean, uh, the out of office >> Well, I mean, uh, the out of office isn't an issue, but I do for a lot of isn't an issue, but I do for a lot of isn't an issue, but I do for a lot of the teams, I do want weekly updates so I the teams, I do want weekly updates so I the teams, I do want weekly updates so I can just track what's going on.

can just track what's going on. can just track what's going on. >> Yeah. You don't want [clears throat] to >> Yeah. You don't want [clears throat] to >> Yeah. You don't want [clears throat] to lose time. lose time. lose time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. You don't want them to disappear >> Okay. You don't want them to disappear >> Okay. You don't want them to disappear for a month. for a month. for a month. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But are you counting their like daily >> But are you counting their like daily >> But are you counting their like daily like are you counting their PTO? like are you counting their PTO? like are you counting their PTO? >> I don't micromanage at all. I >> I don't micromanage at all. I >> I don't micromanage at all. I >> Yeah, exactly. Except for me. >> Yeah, exactly. Except for me. >> Yeah, exactly. Except for me. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You do you need it? >> Yeah. You do you need it? >> Yeah. You do you need it? >> I do. I do need that structure. I do >> I do. I do need that structure. I do >> I do. I do need that structure. I do need that structure. I definitely lose need that structure. I definitely lose need that structure. I definitely lose time because I like this is the thing. time because I like this is the thing. time because I like this is the thing. You're you're you're a very good IC a You're you're you're a very good IC a You're you're you're a very good IC a very good individual contributor very good individual contributor very good individual contributor >> and you're also managing. Do you ever >> and you're also managing. Do you ever >> and you're also managing. Do you ever like forget that you have a team because like forget that you have a team because like forget that you have a team because you're like so excited about the thing you're like so excited about the thing you're like so excited about the thing you're working on. There's like 50 you're working on. There's like 50 you're working on. There's like 50 people you need to go talk to. people you need to go talk to. people you need to go talk to. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] Well, the nice thing is, and I've said Well, the nice thing is, and I've said Well, the nice thing is, and I've said this before, my team is pretty senior this before, my team is pretty senior this before, my team is pretty senior given it's a central, you know, CTO given it's a central, you know, CTO given it's a central, you know, CTO organization. organization. organization. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And um the LT that I have under me >> And um the LT that I have under me >> And um the LT that I have under me managing the different parts of the team managing the different parts of the team managing the different parts of the team are very senior and very capable. So, it are very senior and very capable. So, it are very senior and very capable. So, it is, you know, it's just it's an is, you know, it's just it's an is, you know, it's just it's an organization that I just have to nudge organization that I just have to nudge organization that I just have to nudge this way and that way and and otherwise this way and that way and and otherwise this way and that way and and otherwise it it moves along pretty well.

it it moves along pretty well. it it moves along pretty well. >> Yeah. the uh when you give them >> Yeah. the uh when you give them >> Yeah. the uh when you give them feedback, do you do the compliment feedback, do you do the compliment feedback, do you do the compliment sandwich? sandwich? sandwich? >> Oh, the really good job, but here's some >> Oh, the really good job, but here's some >> Oh, the really good job, but here's some feedback. Uh feedback. Uh feedback. Uh >> and then keep it up. >> and then keep it up. >> and then keep it up. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Kiss kick. >> Kiss kick. >> Kiss kick. >> I might I might I don't if I do, it's >> I might I might I don't if I do, it's >> I might I might I don't if I do, it's not it's not me doing it intentionally. not it's not me doing it intentionally. not it's not me doing it intentionally. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But I do, you know, try try not to be ne >> But I do, you know, try try not to be ne >> But I do, you know, try try not to be ne like if I'm giving like this this really like if I'm giving like this this really like if I'm giving like this this really sucks. Um it's not what I was looking sucks. Um it's not what I was looking sucks. Um it's not what I was looking for. I try to make it soft. for. I try to make it soft. for. I try to make it soft. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But there's definitely times when, by But there's definitely times when, by But there's definitely times when, by the way, and I'm sure this has happened the way, and I'm sure this has happened the way, and I'm sure this has happened to you when you show up in a meeting and to you when you show up in a meeting and to you when you show up in a meeting and it's like you've asked for something. it's like you've asked for something. it's like you've asked for something. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it so far off and and it's clear, >> And it so far off and and it's clear, >> And it so far off and and it's clear, you know, you were very clear with them you know, you were very clear with them you know, you were very clear with them about what you wanted. about what you wanted. about what you wanted. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it's very clear that they decided >> And it's very clear that they decided >> And it's very clear that they decided they were going to provide something they were going to provide something they were going to provide something else and you just want to explode. I'm else and you just want to explode. I'm else and you just want to explode. I'm looking, looking, looking, >> you can see me looking off screen here >> you can see me looking off screen here >> you can see me looking off screen here because I was just in a meeting like because I was just in a meeting like because I was just in a meeting like literally before this and hopefully literally before this and hopefully literally before this and hopefully those people don't watch this meeting those people don't watch this meeting those people don't watch this meeting and and and >> or know what day it was >> or know what day it was >> or know what day it was >> or know exactly what was going on and >> or know exactly what was going on and >> or know exactly what was going on and and and I and they showed me the thing and and I and they showed me the thing and and I and they showed me the thing and then they like okay and I go and then they like okay and I go and then they like okay and I go I can see why you went in this I can see why you went in this I can see why you went in this direction. I I understand why this would direction. I I understand why this would direction. I I understand why this would be the result that you came up with, but be the result that you came up with, but be the result that you came up with, but but given we believe this, this, and but given we believe this, this, and but given we believe this, this, and this, this, this, >> then I can I would I would respect and I >> then I can I would I would respect and I >> then I can I would I would respect and I said, I don't want to bring stop energy, said, I don't want to bring stop energy, said, I don't want to bring stop energy, but this isn't a direction I want to but this isn't a direction I want to but this isn't a direction I want to continue in.

continue in. continue in. >> And then I went off in a back channel. I >> And then I went off in a back channel. I >> And then I went off in a back channel. I was like, was that mean? Was that mean? was like, was that mean? Was that mean? was like, was that mean? Was that mean? And I need to work on that. They're And I need to work on that. They're And I need to work on that. They're like, no, no, you said it needed to be like, no, no, you said it needed to be like, no, no, you said it needed to be said. That was that was that one sounds said. That was that was that one sounds said. That was that was that one sounds like you you asked for something and like you you asked for something and like you you asked for something and they went off and they took it in a they went off and they took it in a they went off and they took it in a strange direction as opposed to you strange direction as opposed to you strange direction as opposed to you said, "Hey, said, "Hey, said, "Hey, um, this is what we want to do." Like, um, this is what we want to do." Like, um, this is what we want to do." Like, go fill in the blanks on this. go fill in the blanks on this. go fill in the blanks on this. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then they came back with a >> And then they came back with a >> And then they came back with a completely different playbook. completely different playbook. completely different playbook. >> It was just a It was just a direction >> It was just a It was just a direction >> It was just a It was just a direction that I wouldn't that I wouldn't that I wouldn't >> even consider. I wouldn't have never >> even consider. I wouldn't have never >> even consider. I wouldn't have never considered. So, that one isn't as bad as considered. So, that one isn't as bad as considered. So, that one isn't as bad as what I'm talking about, which is they what I'm talking about, which is they what I'm talking about, which is they just kind of ignored or decided just kind of ignored or decided just kind of ignored or decided unilaterally to do something else unilaterally to do something else unilaterally to do something else without checking in. without checking in. without checking in. >> Like, no. I >> Like, no. I >> Like, no. I >> Well, and that is the balance, right? >> Well, and that is the balance, right? >> Well, and that is the balance, right? Cuz you're the you're the you're the the Cuz you're the you're the you're the the Cuz you're the you're the you're the the one who gets in trouble. one who gets in trouble. one who gets in trouble. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Right. You want to trust your people to >> Right. You want to trust your people to >> Right. You want to trust your people to do their thing. They're all grown do their thing. They're all grown do their thing. They're all grown adults, but ultimately though, if adults, but ultimately though, if adults, but ultimately though, if something bad happens, it's going to be something bad happens, it's going to be something bad happens, it's going to be your fault. your fault. your fault. >> That's right. And people are looking at >> That's right. And people are looking at >> That's right. And people are looking at me like my s their success is my success me like my s their success is my success me like my s their success is my success and vice versa. and vice versa. and vice versa. >> Yeah. Um, >> Yeah. Um, >> Yeah. Um, [snorts] [snorts] [snorts] >> how do you when you write you write >> how do you when you write you write >> how do you when you write you write papers and stuff and your name's on the papers and stuff and your name's on the papers and stuff and your name's on the paper and other people's names are on paper and other people's names are on paper and other people's names are on the paper.

the paper. the paper. >> Does your name always go first? Do you >> Does your name always go first? Do you >> Does your name always go first? Do you move the names around move the names around move the names around >> based on who does the most work? >> based on who does the most work? >> based on who does the most work? >> That's tricky. Well, so there's >> That's tricky. Well, so there's >> That's tricky. Well, so there's somewhere I've been the somewhere I've been the somewhere I've been the >> the impetus and the key driver for an >> the impetus and the key driver for an >> the impetus and the key driver for an idea like we just recently um wrote a idea like we just recently um wrote a idea like we just recently um wrote a paper about the future of confidential paper about the future of confidential paper about the future of confidential computing. computing. computing. >> Okay. to present to such in SLT and it's >> Okay. to present to such in SLT and it's >> Okay. to present to such in SLT and it's um it's based on a vision that I've um it's based on a vision that I've um it's based on a vision that I've largely kind of led. largely kind of led. largely kind of led. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Um and some pieces of it that I've come >> Um and some pieces of it that I've come >> Um and some pieces of it that I've come up with to fill in. up with to fill in. up with to fill in. >> Mhm. And I my part my contribution to >> Mhm. And I my part my contribution to >> Mhm. And I my part my contribution to the paper besides the overall here's the paper besides the overall here's the paper besides the overall here's what I'm thinking is just that kind of what I'm thinking is just that kind of what I'm thinking is just that kind of outline and the pieces and and the outline and the pieces and and the outline and the pieces and and the background that was already there background that was already there background that was already there >> the direction and the oomph of the >> the direction and the oomph of the >> the direction and the oomph of the initial. initial. initial. >> So there's like 10 people's name on the >> So there's like 10 people's name on the >> So there's like 10 people's name on the paper. My name went first. paper. My name went first. paper. My name went first. Um and there's other papers where Um and there's other papers where Um and there's other papers where um I'm participating again in a thought um I'm participating again in a thought um I'm participating again in a thought leadership way where my name will come leadership way where my name will come leadership way where my name will come in the middle or last.

in the middle or last. in the middle or last. >> Good. >> Good. >> Good. >> Um >> Um >> Um >> the reason I'm asking is that you know I >> the reason I'm asking is that you know I >> the reason I'm asking is that you know I I'm trying as I'm on the downs slope of I'm trying as I'm on the downs slope of I'm trying as I'm on the downs slope of my career. I don't know when it'll end my career. I don't know when it'll end my career. I don't know when it'll end but I'm certainly past the middle part but I'm certainly past the middle part but I'm certainly past the middle part uh unless there's another 30 years from uh unless there's another 30 years from uh unless there's another 30 years from now of work. But um I'm like trying to now of work. But um I'm like trying to now of work. But um I'm like trying to think about how I lift others up cuz think about how I lift others up cuz think about how I lift others up cuz there's this term credit like oh yeah there's this term credit like oh yeah there's this term credit like oh yeah you got the credit and you get the you got the credit and you get the you got the credit and you get the credit feels limited like there's not credit feels limited like there's not credit feels limited like there's not enough credit there's not enough credit enough credit there's not enough credit enough credit there's not enough credit go around there's like a pie of credit go around there's like a pie of credit go around there's like a pie of credit we had to chop the credit up we had to chop the credit up we had to chop the credit up >> and this is just semantics but I've been >> and this is just semantics but I've been >> and this is just semantics but I've been using the term lift like we can all get using the term lift like we can all get using the term lift like we can all get [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] that's different than we all get credit that's different than we all get credit that's different than we all get credit and someone wanted to send a news a and someone wanted to send a news a and someone wanted to send a news a newsletter out they had done virtually newsletter out they had done virtually newsletter out they had done virtually all the work like I'd asked them to do all the work like I'd asked them to do all the work like I'd asked them to do it they put together the whole it they put together the whole it they put together the whole newsletter I was fantastic. And then newsletter I was fantastic. And then newsletter I was fantastic. And then they just they had just assumed it would they just they had just assumed it would they just they had just assumed it would go under my name. And I was like, I go under my name. And I was like, I go under my name. And I was like, I mean, I I see why they would think that mean, I I see why they would think that mean, I I see why they would think that and it makes sense cuz it's a thing and it makes sense cuz it's a thing and it makes sense cuz it's a thing attached to me, but I was like, I think attached to me, but I was like, I think attached to me, but I was like, I think you should be the name. You get the you should be the name. You get the you should be the name. You get the lift, you get the identity, and then lift, you get the identity, and then lift, you get the identity, and then I'll reply and I'll go, that was I'll reply and I'll go, that was I'll reply and I'll go, that was amazing. And everybody wins. They see amazing. And everybody wins. They see amazing. And everybody wins. They see me. Uh I I point to the thing and go, me. Uh I I point to the thing and go, me. Uh I I point to the thing and go, "That's a good thing. Good job, person."

"That's a good thing. Good job, person." "That's a good thing. Good job, person." And um I've been doing that more the And um I've been doing that more the And um I've been doing that more the older I get and the higher level I get older I get and the higher level I get older I get and the higher level I get because it costs me nothing to do that because it costs me nothing to do that because it costs me nothing to do that and then everybody else gets the uh gets and then everybody else gets the uh gets and then everybody else gets the uh gets the lift. So I think you do that when the lift. So I think you do that when the lift. So I think you do that when you adjust where you are in the paper uh you adjust where you are in the paper uh you adjust where you are in the paper uh in the paper order which I think is in the paper order which I think is in the paper order which I think is cool. cool. cool. >> Um there are some cases where there's >> Um there are some cases where there's >> Um there are some cases where there's other considerations besides just a other considerations besides just a other considerations besides just a local decision about you know who you local decision about you know who you local decision about you know who you want to be highlighted yourself or want to be highlighted yourself or want to be highlighted yourself or somebody else. somebody else. somebody else. >> And it depends on the audience too. >> And it depends on the audience too. >> And it depends on the audience too. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, >> but one example is a blog post that's >> but one example is a blog post that's >> but one example is a blog post that's going to go out next week. going to go out next week. going to go out next week. >> Great example, >> Great example, >> Great example, >> which is on what we're doing with >> which is on what we're doing with >> which is on what we're doing with Quantum and my name will be on it even Quantum and my name will be on it even Quantum and my name will be on it even though I've just been one of many that though I've just been one of many that though I've just been one of many that have contributed have contributed have contributed >> because it'll get people's attention. >> because it'll get people's attention. >> because it'll get people's attention. >> That's right. Yeah. >> That's right. Yeah. >> That's right. Yeah. >> Right. And that's strategic. And I think >> Right. And that's strategic. And I think >> Right. And that's strategic. And I think the thing that I think we both agree on the thing that I think we both agree on the thing that I think we both agree on then is that simply having those then is that simply having those then is that simply having those conversations in a public way like you conversations in a public way like you conversations in a public way like you did the thing and my name will be on the did the thing and my name will be on the did the thing and my name will be on the by line or I did the thing and your name by line or I did the thing and your name by line or I did the thing and your name will be on the by line. Is the audience will be on the by line. Is the audience will be on the by line. Is the audience the street? Is it the Verge? Is it the the street? Is it the Verge? Is it the the street? Is it the Verge? Is it the Wall Street Journal or is it an academic Wall Street Journal or is it an academic Wall Street Journal or is it an academic paper? paper? paper? >> Yeah. And actually um a good point about >> Yeah. And actually um a good point about >> Yeah. And actually um a good point about you know because you just implied you know because you just implied you know because you just implied there's a discussion whose name should there's a discussion whose name should there's a discussion whose name should go on it, what order should it be in?

go on it, what order should it be in? go on it, what order should it be in? And some cases I mean that that's can be And some cases I mean that that's can be And some cases I mean that that's can be a very awkward discussion, you know, a very awkward discussion, you know, a very awkward discussion, you know, because you'll people are afraid of like because you'll people are afraid of like because you'll people are afraid of like I want my name to come first, but if I I want my name to come first, but if I I want my name to come first, but if I bring it up then somebody's going to bring it up then somebody's going to bring it up then somebody's going to argue with me and so maybe I just put in argue with me and so maybe I just put in argue with me and so maybe I just put in the list with my name first the list with my name first the list with my name first >> and not have a discussion about it. And >> and not have a discussion about it. And >> and not have a discussion about it. And I think it's probably even if it's I think it's probably even if it's I think it's probably even if it's awkward awkward awkward worthwhile having always having the worthwhile having always having the worthwhile having always having the discussion about the the order and you discussion about the the order and you discussion about the the order and you know which names go on. know which names go on. know which names go on. >> Yep. Yeah. >> Yep. Yeah. >> Yep. Yeah. >> Being able to have that discussion >> Being able to have that discussion >> Being able to have that discussion though, I've always decided that a way though, I've always decided that a way though, I've always decided that a way to lend my level of privilege is to just to lend my level of privilege is to just to lend my level of privilege is to just be the one that brings it up. be the one that brings it up. be the one that brings it up. >> Yeah. you know, like when I give talks >> Yeah. you know, like when I give talks >> Yeah. you know, like when I give talks um where it's two people, I think is um where it's two people, I think is um where it's two people, I think is there's value in in calling out the there's value in in calling out the there's value in in calling out the power dynamics that are implicit within power dynamics that are implicit within power dynamics that are implicit within the talk, whether it be age or leveled the talk, whether it be age or leveled the talk, whether it be age or leveled or whatever. So, I never punch down. or whatever. So, I never punch down. or whatever. So, I never punch down. Okay. So, what do you do in the case Okay. So, what do you do in the case Okay. So, what do you do in the case where it's you and three other people where it's you and three other people where it's you and three other people >> and you think your name should go first >> and you think your name should go first >> and you think your name should go first because you're the one that kind of was because you're the one that kind of was because you're the one that kind of was the key driver. How do you bring that up the key driver. How do you bring that up the key driver. How do you bring that up and say that? Because they're going to and say that? Because they're going to and say that? Because they're going to go, "Oh, well, you're the boss, so go go, "Oh, well, you're the boss, so go go, "Oh, well, you're the boss, so go ahead." If if it's three other peers, ahead." If if it's three other peers, ahead." If if it's three other peers, I would fully be honest and say, I would fully be honest and say, I would fully be honest and say, "Listen, "Listen, "Listen, >> I think it's clear I did 40% of the >> I think it's clear I did 40% of the >> I think it's clear I did 40% of the work. I think it's clear I had the work. I think it's clear I had the work. I think it's clear I had the original idea. I'm going to go ahead and original idea. I'm going to go ahead and original idea. I'm going to go ahead and say I would be I would feel better if I say I would be I would feel better if I say I would be I would feel better if I was first."

was first." was first." >> But if it is me and three people a >> But if it is me and three people a >> But if it is me and three people a couple levels below me, I usually just couple levels below me, I usually just couple levels below me, I usually just fall in my sword and I just give it to fall in my sword and I just give it to fall in my sword and I just give it to them. them. them. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I don't know if that's good or bad. >> I don't know if that's good or bad. >> I don't know if that's good or bad. >> That's not trying to be magnanimous. >> That's not trying to be magnanimous. >> That's not trying to be magnanimous. That's just trying That's just avoiding That's just trying That's just avoiding That's just trying That's just avoiding conflict. [laughter] conflict. [laughter] conflict. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Awkwardness. Yeah. Yeah. I just think >> Awkwardness. Yeah. Yeah. I just think >> Awkwardness. Yeah. Yeah. I just think like I don't know it t it's tough though like I don't know it t it's tough though like I don't know it t it's tough though because then there a paper will get because then there a paper will get because then there a paper will get written. I've literally not a lot maybe written. I've literally not a lot maybe written. I've literally not a lot maybe twice in the last 20 years seen a paper twice in the last 20 years seen a paper twice in the last 20 years seen a paper that's clearly a chat GPT version of my that's clearly a chat GPT version of my that's clearly a chat GPT version of my idea and I can like look in the version idea and I can like look in the version idea and I can like look in the version history and like that's when that guy or history and like that's when that guy or history and like that's when that guy or gal hit control A and then put their gal hit control A and then put their gal hit control A and then put their name and and I was like man that kind of name and and I was like man that kind of name and and I was like man that kind of sucks but it doesn't happen a lot like I sucks but it doesn't happen a lot like I sucks but it doesn't happen a lot like I know it does happen to some people know it does happen to some people know it does happen to some people though like that's important. though like that's important. though like that's important. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, back to one-on ones. The the Isn't Um, back to one-on ones. The the Isn't Um, back to one-on ones. The the Isn't our job as managers to get issues out of our job as managers to get issues out of our job as managers to get issues out of the way to make things less awkward to the way to make things less awkward to the way to make things less awkward to to move things that are blocking them or to move things that are blocking them or to move things that are blocking them or preventing them from being successful?

preventing them from being successful? preventing them from being successful? >> That's a part of the job. Yeah. >> That's a part of the job. Yeah. >> That's a part of the job. Yeah. >> Yeah. And that's what I and and by the >> Yeah. And that's what I and and by the >> Yeah. And that's what I and and by the way on that one uh I had teams um one of way on that one uh I had teams um one of way on that one uh I had teams um one of my teams CIS internals team was running my teams CIS internals team was running my teams CIS internals team was running into an issue where they were getting into an issue where they were getting into an issue where they were getting blocked because of a security exception blocked because of a security exception blocked because of a security exception that they should have gotten but weren't that they should have gotten but weren't that they should have gotten but weren't getting getting getting um and it drag and they let it drag on um and it drag and they let it drag on um and it drag and they let it drag on for two months before it raised to me. for two months before it raised to me. for two months before it raised to me. I'm like, "No, you need to raise the I'm like, "No, you need to raise the I'm like, "No, you need to raise the like when you get blocked like that like when you get blocked like that like when you get blocked like that immediately immediately immediately >> because that's my that's what I'm here >> because that's my that's what I'm here >> because that's my that's what I'm here to do is unblock you, get cut through to do is unblock you, get cut through to do is unblock you, get cut through the crab." So, that was frustrating uh the crab." So, that was frustrating uh the crab." So, that was frustrating uh that they operated like, "Oh, we don't that they operated like, "Oh, we don't that they operated like, "Oh, we don't want to bother him. Let's just see if we want to bother him. Let's just see if we want to bother him. Let's just see if we can work it out." And then they don't can work it out." And then they don't can work it out." And then they don't get any response from the other teams get any response from the other teams get any response from the other teams and uh they end up getting stuck. and uh they end up getting stuck. and uh they end up getting stuck. I really that that calls back to the I really that that calls back to the I really that that calls back to the part where you said and meetings were part where you said and meetings were part where you said and meetings were had and I was not there because I own had and I was not there because I own had and I was not there because I own some security stuff and some decisions some security stuff and some decisions some security stuff and some decisions were made recently about public facing were made recently about public facing were made recently about public facing shipping software and it was very shipping software and it was very shipping software and it was very straightforward but like a decision straightforward but like a decision straightforward but like a decision happened with no visibility. No one gave happened with no visibility. No one gave happened with no visibility. No one gave me a heads up because they didn't want me a heads up because they didn't want me a heads up because they didn't want to bother me.

to bother me. to bother me. >> That's literally what I'm here for. Like >> That's literally what I'm here for. Like >> That's literally what I'm here for. Like I'm green. I'm green. I'm green. >> You know what I mean? like like while >> You know what I mean? like like while >> You know what I mean? like like while you're working out and eating health you're working out and eating health you're working out and eating health like I'm literally a Popeye's chicken like I'm literally a Popeye's chicken like I'm literally a Popeye's chicken [laughter] in the parking lot and you I [laughter] in the parking lot and you I [laughter] in the parking lot and you I was green on teams and I was I'm here to was green on teams and I was I'm here to was green on teams and I was I'm here to help but like meetings were happening help but like meetings were happening help but like meetings were happening >> do chicken eating >> do chicken eating >> do chicken eating >> I was just eating chicken come on man >> I was just eating chicken come on man >> I was just eating chicken come on man [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> what are what are some ideas on what I >> what are what are some ideas on what I >> what are what are some ideas on what I can do to improve my team's one-on- ones can do to improve my team's one-on- ones can do to improve my team's one-on- ones and for our friends that had this this and for our friends that had this this and for our friends that had this this idea this one-on-one's show idea was idea this one-on-one's show idea was idea this one-on-one's show idea was actually suggested by someone in the actually suggested by someone in the actually suggested by someone in the comments what can I do to make my next comments what can I do to make my next comments what can I do to make my next one and one a better one one and one a better one one and one a better one >> with your with people on your team. >> with your with people on your team. >> with your with people on your team. >> Well, same with my directs. >> Well, same with my directs. >> Well, same with my directs. >> Oh, with your directs. Well, >> Oh, with your directs. Well, >> Oh, with your directs. Well, >> um you didn't we didn't really talk >> um you didn't we didn't really talk >> um you didn't we didn't really talk about it. I mentioned that I do that I about it. I mentioned that I do that I about it. I mentioned that I do that I have them provide an agenda of what they have them provide an agenda of what they have them provide an agenda of what they want to talk about. And the reason I want to talk about. And the reason I want to talk about. And the reason I wanted I do that and by the way, we're wanted I do that and by the way, we're wanted I do that and by the way, we're we'll talk about one-on- ones with we'll talk about one-on- ones with we'll talk about one-on- ones with people that are above you, too. people that are above you, too. people that are above you, too. >> Oh, those are scary. But um the thing I >> Oh, those are scary. But um the thing I >> Oh, those are scary. But um the thing I that the reason I want to do that is I that the reason I want to do that is I that the reason I want to do that is I want to see the full list and that way I want to see the full list and that way I want to see the full list and that way I can say this one's important to me or can say this one's important to me or can say this one's important to me or this one looks like it's a problem.

this one looks like it's a problem. this one looks like it's a problem. Let's go talk about that one first and Let's go talk about that one first and Let's go talk about that one first and maybe this one in the agenda if you've maybe this one in the agenda if you've maybe this one in the agenda if you've wrote written in the description you wrote written in the description you wrote written in the description you know what that's enough for me to know know what that's enough for me to know know what that's enough for me to know what's going on. We don't even have to what's going on. We don't even have to what's going on. We don't even have to talk about that one. talk about that one. talk about that one. >> Ah they give you the list and you >> Ah they give you the list and you >> Ah they give you the list and you prioritize the list. They give it to me prioritize the list. They give it to me prioritize the list. They give it to me before and then I can I read it in the before and then I can I read it in the before and then I can I read it in the you know if I don't read it before the you know if I don't read it before the you know if I don't read it before the meeting I read it after part of the meeting I read it after part of the meeting I read it after part of the meeting meeting meeting >> and then go okay so this one what about >> and then go okay so this one what about >> and then go okay so this one what about this let's talk about that this let's talk about that this let's talk about that >> it's just um and it and it relates to >> it's just um and it and it relates to >> it's just um and it and it relates to what I do with one-on- ones that I have what I do with one-on- ones that I have what I do with one-on- ones that I have with people more senior than me too or with people more senior than me too or with people more senior than me too or um which which is similarly then I've um which which is similarly then I've um which which is similarly then I've never been asked to do that by the way never been asked to do that by the way never been asked to do that by the way by anybody so that's something that I by anybody so that's something that I by anybody so that's something that I came up with on my own but what I do came up with on my own but what I do came up with on my own but what I do proactively with people that are senior proactively with people that are senior proactively with people that are senior to me Like if I've got a one-on-one with to me Like if I've got a one-on-one with to me Like if I've got a one-on-one with Satcha, I sent or Scott, Satcha, I sent or Scott, Satcha, I sent or Scott, >> I'll send him an email typically a day >> I'll send him an email typically a day >> I'll send him an email typically a day at least, you know, a couple days at least, you know, a couple days at least, you know, a couple days before, before, before, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> Um if I can that says, here are the >> Um if I can that says, here are the >> Um if I can that says, here are the topics that I want to discuss topics that I want to discuss topics that I want to discuss and allows them to do the same thing. and allows them to do the same thing. and allows them to do the same thing. And also they know like, oh, this looks And also they know like, oh, this looks And also they know like, oh, this looks important, but we didn't get to it. We important, but we didn't get to it. We important, but we didn't get to it. We need to follow up later.

need to follow up later. need to follow up later. >> Yeah, this is obvious, but not something >> Yeah, this is obvious, but not something >> Yeah, this is obvious, but not something that I think I'm doing. And I think is that I think I'm doing. And I think is that I think I'm doing. And I think is super helpful because I usually have a super helpful because I usually have a super helpful because I usually have a list, but it's kind of list, but it's kind of list, but it's kind of little bit of formality because little bit of formality because little bit of formality because inevitably with these kind of inevitably with these kind of inevitably with these kind of situations, the oneonone's going to get situations, the oneonone's going to get situations, the oneonone's going to get cut short cut short cut short >> and at least you frontload the hard >> and at least you frontload the hard >> and at least you frontload the hard stuff. stuff. stuff. >> Yeah. And and they get the things that >> Yeah. And and they get the things that >> Yeah. And and they get the things that you wanted to convey no matter what, you wanted to convey no matter what, you wanted to convey no matter what, even if you don't get a chance to talk even if you don't get a chance to talk even if you don't get a chance to talk about them. When you're doing one-on- about them. When you're doing one-on- about them. When you're doing one-on- ones with people higher than you, is it ones with people higher than you, is it ones with people higher than you, is it mostly that you're looking for AB mostly that you're looking for AB mostly that you're looking for AB testing, like go, no, go, yes, keep testing, like go, no, go, yes, keep testing, like go, no, go, yes, keep doing that, stop doing that, or are you doing that, stop doing that, or are you doing that, stop doing that, or are you honestly looking for like I need advice honestly looking for like I need advice honestly looking for like I need advice on how to handle this tricky situation, on how to handle this tricky situation, on how to handle this tricky situation, which is more which is more which is more >> it's more here's what I'm So, I want to >> it's more here's what I'm So, I want to >> it's more here's what I'm So, I want to give you a up I want to give you an give you a up I want to give you an give you a up I want to give you an update on progress. Um, I you know, update on progress. Um, I you know, update on progress. Um, I you know, ideally, I would like some feedback on ideally, I would like some feedback on ideally, I would like some feedback on do you think this is good? Do you think do you think this is good? Do you think do you think this is good? Do you think that I'm spending my time wisely? that I'm spending my time wisely? that I'm spending my time wisely? Um, I think I've talked about this with Um, I think I've talked about this with Um, I think I've talked about this with before on this is that as I got more before on this is that as I got more before on this is that as I got more senior in my career, I got less and less senior in my career, I got less and less senior in my career, I got less and less feedback. In fact, that's just been the feedback. In fact, that's just been the feedback. In fact, that's just been the trend. I get less and less and less trend. I get less and less and less trend. I get less and less and less feedback. I get almost zero feedback now feedback. I get almost zero feedback now feedback. I get almost zero feedback now from anything from from anything from from anything from >> That sucks. That's got to be lonely.

>> That sucks. That's got to be lonely. >> That sucks. That's got to be lonely. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> I'm work I'm gonna give you [laughter] >> I'm work I'm gonna give you [laughter] >> I'm work I'm gonna give you [laughter] Stop breathing in your mic. Stop breathing in your mic. Stop breathing in your mic. >> That's good feedback. [snorts] >> That's good feedback. [snorts] >> That's good feedback. [snorts] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> But um >> But um >> But um so it's um I've largely been so it's um I've largely been so it's um I've largely been self-directed because of that like the self-directed because of that like the self-directed because of that like the since I joined Microsoft. Um since I joined Microsoft. Um since I joined Microsoft. Um >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> All right. That is that is our that is >> All right. That is that is our that is >> All right. That is that is our that is our how to make better one-on ones show. our how to make better one-on ones show. our how to make better one-on ones show. Uh I want strong people don't give Mark Uh I want strong people don't give Mark Uh I want strong people don't give Mark enough feedback. So, in the comments of enough feedback. So, in the comments of enough feedback. So, in the comments of this show, if you made it this far, this show, if you made it this far, this show, if you made it this far, [music] I want pointed feedback to Mark [music] I want pointed feedback to Mark [music] I want pointed feedback to Mark about about about >> sure Scott would appreciate some >> sure Scott would appreciate some >> sure Scott would appreciate some >> about his shirt, [music] >> about his shirt, [music] >> about his shirt, [music] >> his mic positioning, all of these >> his mic positioning, all of these >> his mic positioning, all of these things. things. things. >> Okay, so like and subscribe, friends. >> Okay, so like and subscribe, friends. >> Okay, so like and subscribe, friends. Tell us that we're doing all right in Tell us that we're doing all right in Tell us that we're doing all right in the chat. Otherwise, we'll stop doing the chat. Otherwise, we'll stop doing the chat. Otherwise, we'll stop doing this show. this show. this show. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> And all right, >> And all right, >> And all right, >> it's not an idle threat either. >> it's not an idle threat either. >> it's not an idle threat either. >> It isn't an idle threat cuz Mark's >> It isn't an idle threat cuz Mark's >> It isn't an idle threat cuz Mark's pissed. pissed. pissed. >> So mad. It's so mad. You can tell.