Building The Spoiler Talk app with Charnelle Asante

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she's the founder of spoiler talk this she's the founder of spoiler talk this is an Innovative Community where you can is an Innovative Community where you can is an Innovative Community where you can talk to your friends about your favorite talk to your friends about your favorite talk to your friends about your favorite movies uh your favorite shows but you movies uh your favorite shows but you movies uh your favorite shows but you can do it in a way that doesn't ruin it can do it in a way that doesn't ruin it can do it in a way that doesn't ruin it for others how are you I'm doing well for others how are you I'm doing well for others how are you I'm doing well Scott thank you for having me how are Scott thank you for having me how are Scott thank you for having me how are you I'm good I'm good um I discovered you I'm good I'm good um I discovered you I'm good I'm good um I discovered you on Tik Tok you on Tik Tok you on Tik Tok enthusiastically talking about the enthusiastically talking about the enthusiastically talking about the process of being a founder and you you process of being a founder and you you process of being a founder and you you exuded such excitement about space that exuded such excitement about space that exuded such excitement about space that I started you know doing what people do I started you know doing what people do I started you know doing what people do start googling around and you have such start googling around and you have such start googling around and you have such a fascinating background because you've a fascinating background because you've a fascinating background because you've been trying to make this app happened been trying to make this app happened been trying to make this app happened for a couple years now I feel like this for a couple years now I feel like this for a couple years now I feel like this might be a relaunch and it's like this might be a relaunch and it's like this might be a relaunch and it's like this time with feeling talk to me about when time with feeling talk to me about when time with feeling talk to me about when you had the idea and and why it's taken you had the idea and and why it's taken you had the idea and and why it's taken so many years to make the spoiler talk so many years to make the spoiler talk so many years to make the spoiler talk happen yes so it's definitely a relaunch happen yes so it's definitely a relaunch happen yes so it's definitely a relaunch I had this idea back in I had this idea back in I had this idea back in 2018 um that's when it first came to me 2018 um that's when it first came to me 2018 um that's when it first came to me but I didn't really know know how to go but I didn't really know know how to go but I didn't really know know how to go about building it nor did I have the about building it nor did I have the about building it nor did I have the resources so um after I graduated resources so um after I graduated resources so um after I graduated nursing school in 2019 got my first job nursing school in 2019 got my first job nursing school in 2019 got my first job I started working saving up towards it I I started working saving up towards it I I started working saving up towards it I just kind of went you know Full Throttle just kind of went you know Full Throttle just kind of went you know Full Throttle um that's kind of where um that's kind of where um that's kind of where I that's kind of where I started and I I I that's kind of where I started and I I I that's kind of where I started and I I it took me a while because I didn't it took me a while because I didn't it took me a while because I didn't really know what I was doing um I didn't really know what I was doing um I didn't really know what I was doing um I didn't have any background experience in that have any background experience in that have any background experience in that my background was in nursing um I did my background was in nursing um I did my background was in nursing um I did hire a group of developers but they were hire a group of developers but they were hire a group of developers but they were a bit pricey at the time and by the time

a bit pricey at the time and by the time a bit pricey at the time and by the time we finished the app I didn't really have we finished the app I didn't really have we finished the app I didn't really have the money to continue working with them the money to continue working with them the money to continue working with them the way I wanted to so um and then the the way I wanted to so um and then the the way I wanted to so um and then the app started having some problems so app started having some problems so app started having some problems so that's kind of why it took so long and that's kind of why it took so long and that's kind of why it took so long and then I had to figure out a plan save up then I had to figure out a plan save up then I had to figure out a plan save up some more funds to get a new team uh some more funds to get a new team uh some more funds to get a new team uh back last year in 2023 that's when I back last year in 2023 that's when I back last year in 2023 that's when I found a new developer and we're able to found a new developer and we're able to found a new developer and we're able to get the things going so that's kind of get the things going so that's kind of get the things going so that's kind of what happened with that why I took so what happened with that why I took so what happened with that why I took so long you know one of the things that I long you know one of the things that I long you know one of the things that I appreciate about Builders about Founders appreciate about Builders about Founders appreciate about Builders about Founders like yourself creators is there's a like yourself creators is there's a like yourself creators is there's a there's an there's an there's an audacity like you had an idea you're a audacity like you had an idea you're a audacity like you had an idea you're a nurse You're registered nurse You're nurse You're registered nurse You're nurse You're registered nurse You're healthc care provider you have a lot of healthc care provider you have a lot of healthc care provider you have a lot of experience in that space and you're not experience in that space and you're not experience in that space and you're not building a healthcare app right you have building a healthcare app right you have building a healthcare app right you have the audacity and I say that with a the audacity and I say that with a the audacity and I say that with a compliment with all of the like say it compliment with all of the like say it compliment with all of the like say it with your chest to to be a technology with your chest to to be a technology with your chest to to be a technology founder to build a community founder to build a community founder to build a community but you stuck with it you could have but you stuck with it you could have but you stuck with it you could have just given up in 2018 2019 like did you just given up in 2018 2019 like did you just given up in 2018 2019 like did you feel like giving up and why do you feel like giving up and why do you feel like giving up and why do you refuse to stop oh yeah there are refuse to stop oh yeah there are refuse to stop oh yeah there are definitely times I felt like giving up definitely times I felt like giving up definitely times I felt like giving up because I was just like am I really because I was just like am I really because I was just like am I really doing this for myself doing something I doing this for myself doing something I doing this for myself doing something I have no idea how to do to begin with and have no idea how to do to begin with and have no idea how to do to begin with and then um just the funds you know trying then um just the funds you know trying then um just the funds you know trying to find a developer that I could work to find a developer that I could work to find a developer that I could work with there definitely so many times I with there definitely so many times I with there definitely so many times I wanted to stop but then I was like this wanted to stop but then I was like this wanted to stop but then I was like this idea is just so good like every year idea is just so good like every year idea is just so good like every year that passed by it's still the the idea that passed by it's still the the idea that passed by it's still the the idea is still valid people are still telling

is still valid people are still telling is still valid people are still telling me you know they want to find people to me you know they want to find people to me you know they want to find people to discuss their shows with people are discuss their shows with people are discuss their shows with people are still Tweeting on Twitter you guys are still Tweeting on Twitter you guys are still Tweeting on Twitter you guys are ruining the show for me I'm like I have ruining the show for me I'm like I have ruining the show for me I'm like I have to keep doing this like I can't stop so to keep doing this like I can't stop so to keep doing this like I can't stop so yeah um it was rough it was challenging yeah um it was rough it was challenging yeah um it was rough it was challenging but I just kept getting validated that but I just kept getting validated that but I just kept getting validated that this was such a good idea so I just kept this was such a good idea so I just kept this was such a good idea so I just kept going when when when you think in your going when when when you think in your going when when when you think in your mind about 10 years from now when you mind about 10 years from now when you mind about 10 years from now when you have like a burgeoning community behind have like a burgeoning community behind have like a burgeoning community behind this and and it's like everyone's like this and and it's like everyone's like this and and it's like everyone's like oh yeah I'm going to jump on spoiler oh yeah I'm going to jump on spoiler oh yeah I'm going to jump on spoiler talk and talk about this show or I'm talk and talk about this show or I'm talk and talk about this show or I'm going to talk about this book I'm talk going to talk about this book I'm talk going to talk about this book I'm talk about this film do you do you see it about this film do you do you see it about this film do you do you see it becoming a Twitter do you see it getting becoming a Twitter do you see it getting becoming a Twitter do you see it getting bought by a Facebook or do you see it bought by a Facebook or do you see it bought by a Facebook or do you see it becoming like what I would call a becoming like what I would call a becoming like what I would call a boutique you know like I love a nice boutique you know like I love a nice boutique you know like I love a nice Boutique where it's the right size is Boutique where it's the right size is Boutique where it's the right size is this take over the world idea or is this this take over the world idea or is this this take over the world idea or is this take over the right part of the world take over the right part of the world take over the right part of the world idea you know I'm that's something I idea you know I'm that's something I idea you know I'm that's something I think about back and forth so when I think about back and forth so when I think about back and forth so when I first created it it was definitely a first created it it was definitely a first created it it was definitely a take over the world kind of thing take over the world kind of thing take over the world kind of thing but um you know as I'm starting to see but um you know as I'm starting to see but um you know as I'm starting to see um my audience and the people coming on um my audience and the people coming on um my audience and the people coming on I'm like it is a bit more Niche maybe it I'm like it is a bit more Niche maybe it I'm like it is a bit more Niche maybe it could be a bti thing we don't need could be a bti thing we don't need could be a bti thing we don't need billions and billions of people on this billions and billions of people on this billions and billions of people on this it could just be something for you know it could just be something for you know it could just be something for you know the people are looking for this but then the people are looking for this but then the people are looking for this but then the other hand I think about it more and the other hand I think about it more and the other hand I think about it more and I'm just like I actually do think this I'm just like I actually do think this I'm just like I actually do think this is going to be huge and I think it's is going to be huge and I think it's is going to be huge and I think it's going to be bought out by some sort of going to be bought out by some sort of going to be bought out by some sort of entertainment Media Company because we entertainment Media Company because we entertainment Media Company because we have so many plans to grow with it and have so many plans to grow with it and have so many plans to grow with it and um yeah I just think that's where it's um yeah I just think that's where it's um yeah I just think that's where it's going to be headed to be honest yeah the going to be headed to be honest yeah the going to be headed to be honest yeah the um I've said this before on the show so um I've said this before on the show so um I've said this before on the show so people who've listened for hundreds of

people who've listened for hundreds of people who've listened for hundreds of episodes will hear will know this this episodes will hear will know this this episodes will hear will know this this statement but have you ever heard uh statement but have you ever heard uh statement but have you ever heard uh chel of the theory of a thousand true chel of the theory of a thousand true chel of the theory of a thousand true fans no so the idea is like I have a I fans no so the idea is like I have a I fans no so the idea is like I have a I have a friend who's a a rapper and she's have a friend who's a a rapper and she's have a friend who's a a rapper and she's a nerdcore rapper and she got a PhD so a nerdcore rapper and she got a PhD so a nerdcore rapper and she got a PhD so she has two lives she has her like she has two lives she has her like she has two lives she has her like academic life and she has her like rap academic life and she has her like rap academic life and she has her like rap life and she tours and she does small to life and she tours and she does small to life and she tours and she does small to mediumsized rooms but her fans freaking mediumsized rooms but her fans freaking mediumsized rooms but her fans freaking love her she people are love her she people are love her she people are obsessed but is it millions of fans no obsessed but is it millions of fans no obsessed but is it millions of fans no but if you have a thousand true fans and but if you have a thousand true fans and but if you have a thousand true fans and you can extract a $100 from them a year you can extract a $100 from them a year you can extract a $100 from them a year in merch in whatever that's a $100,000 in merch in whatever that's a $100,000 in merch in whatever that's a $100,000 business right there yeah so like if you business right there yeah so like if you business right there yeah so like if you could get 10,000 100,000 people on on on could get 10,000 100,000 people on on on could get 10,000 100,000 people on on on spoiler talk then I think that would be spoiler talk then I think that would be spoiler talk then I think that would be not a boutique but it would certainly be not a boutique but it would certainly be not a boutique but it would certainly be a thing yeah be a business a thing yeah be a business a thing yeah be a business yeah definitely that's something my yeah definitely that's something my yeah definitely that's something my developer and I sometimes talk about developer and I sometimes talk about developer and I sometimes talk about like even before um we launched the app like even before um we launched the app like even before um we launched the app and we were on beta and we had 200 or so and we were on beta and we had 200 or so and we were on beta and we had 200 or so people on beta and we're just like I people on beta and we're just like I people on beta and we're just like I know it's not a million people but these know it's not a million people but these know it's not a million people but these are real people who are very interested are real people who are very interested are real people who are very interested in the app they keep coming they keep in the app they keep coming they keep in the app they keep coming they keep supporting and even just like I'm I'm supporting and even just like I'm I'm supporting and even just like I'm I'm I'm coming across videos like user I'm coming across videos like user I'm coming across videos like user generated content from people who have generated content from people who have generated content from people who have used the app and it's like I didn't even used the app and it's like I didn't even used the app and it's like I didn't even ask for it but there's there talking ask for it but there's there talking ask for it but there's there talking about it so these are real people might about it so these are real people might about it so these are real people might not be millions of people out there but not be millions of people out there but not be millions of people out there but it's still a true few that have been it's still a true few that have been it's still a true few that have been loyal and and I just hope to continue to

loyal and and I just hope to continue to loyal and and I just hope to continue to you know get these type of people to be you know get these type of people to be you know get these type of people to be on that and are we allowed to talk about on that and are we allowed to talk about on that and are we allowed to talk about like what at the time of this recording like what at the time of this recording like what at the time of this recording can you tell us like what your user base can you tell us like what your user base can you tell us like what your user base is yeah so um you mean like the amount is yeah so um you mean like the amount is yeah so um you mean like the amount of how many people are on it like I know of how many people are on it like I know of how many people are on it like I know but like I want you to say how many but like I want you to say how many but like I want you to say how many people are on it as of your launch last people are on it as of your launch last people are on it as of your launch last week as as of our launch uh so it would week as as of our launch uh so it would week as as of our launch uh so it would be two weeks to day two weeks be two weeks to day two weeks be two weeks to day two weeks congratulations yes so we have 440 users congratulations yes so we have 440 users congratulations yes so we have 440 users between IOS and Android that's fantastic between IOS and Android that's fantastic between IOS and Android that's fantastic so you're halfway to a th true fans so you're halfway to a th true fans so you're halfway to a th true fans already and then once you hit a th then already and then once you hit a th then already and then once you hit a th then it's 10,000 then it's 100,000 and then it's 10,000 then it's 100,000 and then it's 10,000 then it's 100,000 and then it's like then it's a thing yes it's like then it's a thing yes it's like then it's a thing yes definitely how do you balance that definitely how do you balance that definitely how do you balance that though you have an important job right though you have an important job right though you have an important job right you're like managing a healthcare clinic you're like managing a healthcare clinic you're like managing a healthcare clinic like you are a per person with a life like you are a per person with a life like you are a per person with a life and a job it sounds like you have two and a job it sounds like you have two and a job it sounds like you have two full-time full-time full-time jobs yeah but but um I mean I'm a jobs yeah but but um I mean I'm a jobs yeah but but um I mean I'm a hustler like I was doing this I'm used hustler like I was doing this I'm used hustler like I was doing this I'm used to working a lot like I remember when I to working a lot like I remember when I to working a lot like I remember when I was saving up to work um to be able to was saving up to work um to be able to was saving up to work um to be able to afford this app when I was still in New afford this app when I was still in New afford this app when I was still in New York I was working like 70 plus hours a York I was working like 70 plus hours a York I was working like 70 plus hours a week um as a nurse just to pay for this week um as a nurse just to pay for this week um as a nurse just to pay for this app so I'm used to working a lot um I app so I'm used to working a lot um I app so I'm used to working a lot um I don't overwhelm or overdo overdo it but don't overwhelm or overdo overdo it but don't overwhelm or overdo overdo it but the day shift job is something that I the day shift job is something that I the day shift job is something that I currently do enjoy I'm having fun with currently do enjoy I'm having fun with currently do enjoy I'm having fun with it um and then when I I come home and do it um and then when I I come home and do it um and then when I I come home and do spoiler that's something that I enjoy spoiler that's something that I enjoy spoiler that's something that I enjoy that's my passion so I'm able to balance that's my passion so I'm able to balance that's my passion so I'm able to balance them both out pretty well that's amazing them both out pretty well that's amazing them both out pretty well that's amazing I'm curious there seems to be a new

I'm curious there seems to be a new I'm curious there seems to be a new generation of of creator of developer of generation of of creator of developer of generation of of creator of developer of app creator Who develops in app creator Who develops in app creator Who develops in public was that obvious to you did you public was that obvious to you did you public was that obvious to you did you just figure that out because you have just figure that out because you have just figure that out because you have almost 5,000 followers on Tik Tok almost 5,000 followers on Tik Tok almost 5,000 followers on Tik Tok watching you make this app and you watching you make this app and you watching you make this app and you engage with us in such an authentic way engage with us in such an authentic way engage with us in such an authentic way you could just be quietly grinding why you could just be quietly grinding why you could just be quietly grinding why public public public grind um so I thought it was important grind um so I thought it was important grind um so I thought it was important to like I call it build in public to like I call it build in public to like I call it build in public something I've been seeing uh one to something I've been seeing uh one to something I've been seeing uh one to show people the process of everything be show people the process of everything be show people the process of everything be completely completely completely transparent and just put myself out transparent and just put myself out transparent and just put myself out there too because sometimes I think like there too because sometimes I think like there too because sometimes I think like anyone can go out there and create this anyone can go out there and create this anyone can go out there and create this app um and just put it out there but if app um and just put it out there but if app um and just put it out there but if I'm here telling people about I'm I'm here telling people about I'm I'm here telling people about I'm telling them the story behind I'm telling them the story behind I'm telling them the story behind I'm telling them all the challenges um that telling them all the challenges um that telling them all the challenges um that we faced all the good things that are we faced all the good things that are we faced all the good things that are happening it's like being able to share happening it's like being able to share happening it's like being able to share the journey with everyone and I realize the journey with everyone and I realize the journey with everyone and I realize that they actually really appreciate that they actually really appreciate that they actually really appreciate that um and you know they feel even more that um and you know they feel even more that um and you know they feel even more a part of the community and I like that a part of the community and I like that a part of the community and I like that because I also like to show people you because I also like to show people you because I also like to show people you know the process just in case they're know the process just in case they're know the process just in case they're interested in doing something themselves interested in doing something themselves interested in doing something themselves similar so yeah I thought it was similar so yeah I thought it was similar so yeah I thought it was interesting the part that I really got interesting the part that I really got interesting the part that I really got like hooked on which like I like I like like hooked on which like I like I like like hooked on which like I like I like the app but I'm more Hooked on Your the app but I'm more Hooked on Your the app but I'm more Hooked on Your Story was Apple does not want you to be Story was Apple does not want you to be Story was Apple does not want you to be great like apple apple has been trying great like apple apple has been trying great like apple apple has been trying to hold you down for at least a couple to hold you down for at least a couple to hold you down for at least a couple of weeks talk to me about this because I of weeks talk to me about this because I of weeks talk to me about this because I had a young man on the show a couple had a young man on the show a couple had a young man on the show a couple weeks ago who was an indie developer and

weeks ago who was an indie developer and weeks ago who was an indie developer and he said he thought it was going to be he said he thought it was going to be he said he thought it was going to be 99% developing the app and then youd 99% developing the app and then youd 99% developing the app and then youd push a button and put it in the store push a button and put it in the store push a button and put it in the store and he says it's like half his time is and he says it's like half his time is and he says it's like half his time is trying to get this thing through the trying to get this thing through the trying to get this thing through the store talk to me about the store yeah so store talk to me about the store yeah so store talk to me about the store yeah so apple has a more rigorous um app review apple has a more rigorous um app review apple has a more rigorous um app review process that say Google Play Store we process that say Google Play Store we process that say Google Play Store we were rejected for a few were rejected for a few were rejected for a few reasons uh the last reason that we were reasons uh the last reason that we were reasons uh the last reason that we were rejected for was because we didn't have rejected for was because we didn't have rejected for was because we didn't have the appropriate reporting system for the appropriate reporting system for the appropriate reporting system for example if uh as for a social app users example if uh as for a social app users example if uh as for a social app users should have the ability to be able to should have the ability to be able to should have the ability to be able to block or hide someone or filter post block or hide someone or filter post block or hide someone or filter post they don't want to interact so uh we they don't want to interact so uh we they don't want to interact so uh we were trying to I guess put this feature were trying to I guess put this feature were trying to I guess put this feature in and we kept getting rejected but in and we kept getting rejected but in and we kept getting rejected but Apple's tough like they're going to Apple's tough like they're going to Apple's tough like they're going to reject you for a little things I hate reject you for a little things I hate reject you for a little things I hate the process because it's like they won't the process because it's like they won't the process because it's like they won't tell you all they won't list everything tell you all they won't list everything tell you all they won't list everything at once you can send it in and then at once you can send it in and then at once you can send it in and then they'll let you know one thing you'll they'll let you know one thing you'll they'll let you know one thing you'll fix it they'll like you send it in again fix it they'll like you send it in again fix it they'll like you send it in again they're like oh there a whole another they're like oh there a whole another they're like oh there a whole another thing you have to fix so yeah they were thing you have to fix so yeah they were thing you have to fix so yeah they were trying to play some games but we got on trying to play some games but we got on trying to play some games but we got on a phone call with them to just uh you a phone call with them to just uh you a phone call with them to just uh you talk a human you talked about a human at talk a human you talked about a human at talk a human you talked about a human at Apple yes yes you can do that that is Apple yes yes you can do that that is Apple yes yes you can do that that is crazy I've never seen an apple human crazy I've never seen an apple human crazy I've never seen an apple human before yeah so everyone that's uh before yeah so everyone that's uh before yeah so everyone that's uh developing apps if you get the runaround developing apps if you get the runaround developing apps if you get the runaround with apple just request for a phone call with apple just request for a phone call with apple just request for a phone call they'll expl explain everything to you they'll expl explain everything to you they'll expl explain everything to you that's what they did for us we're able that's what they did for us we're able that's what they did for us we're able to take care of the issue and just like to take care of the issue and just like to take care of the issue and just like that we're we're accepted was that I that we're we're accepted was that I that we're we're accepted was that I imagine like I imagine you like I don't imagine like I imagine you like I don't imagine like I imagine you like I don't know like you and your developer like in know like you and your developer like in know like you and your developer like in front of a TV like watching like the the

front of a TV like watching like the the front of a TV like watching like the the ball drop and you got like champagne ball drop and you got like champagne ball drop and you got like champagne like or was it just like oh I guess like or was it just like oh I guess like or was it just like oh I guess we're in the App Store now like how did we're in the App Store now like how did we're in the App Store now like how did that launch moment happen my developer that launch moment happen my developer that launch moment happen my developer and I had been communicating back and and I had been communicating back and and I had been communicating back and forth pretty uh frequently whenever we forth pretty uh frequently whenever we forth pretty uh frequently whenever we make a new build so we were just kind of make a new build so we were just kind of make a new build so we were just kind of just waiting once he submitted the build just waiting once he submitted the build just waiting once he submitted the build every time we'd be like fingers crossed every time we'd be like fingers crossed every time we'd be like fingers crossed um mind you he's in Ghana I'm here so uh um mind you he's in Ghana I'm here so uh um mind you he's in Ghana I'm here so uh we communicate just over the phone so we communicate just over the phone so we communicate just over the phone so yeah it was just like a fingers cross yeah it was just like a fingers cross yeah it was just like a fingers cross and it wasn't honestly it wasn't and it wasn't honestly it wasn't and it wasn't honestly it wasn't anything like Immaculate we've gotten anything like Immaculate we've gotten anything like Immaculate we've gotten rejected so many times at this point rejected so many times at this point rejected so many times at this point we're just waiting for the the okay and we're just waiting for the the okay and we're just waiting for the the okay and then it was a good feeling it wasn't no then it was a good feeling it wasn't no then it was a good feeling it wasn't no champagne pop it was like but it was champagne pop it was like but it was champagne pop it was like but it was like okay what's next now that's awesome like okay what's next now that's awesome like okay what's next now that's awesome that's awesome and I understand that you that's awesome and I understand that you that's awesome and I understand that you have a background there cuz your your have a background there cuz your your have a background there cuz your your grandfather is from Ghana oh my whole grandfather is from Ghana oh my whole grandfather is from Ghana oh my whole family your whole family is my Mo my family your whole family is my Mo my family your whole family is my Mo my mother and my my dad's side yeah so I'm mother and my my dad's side yeah so I'm mother and my my dad's side yeah so I'm first generation so was that obvious first generation so was that obvious first generation so was that obvious then to Outsource to Ghana and not one then to Outsource to Ghana and not one then to Outsource to Ghana and not one of the other more kind of common of the other more kind of common of the other more kind of common Outsourcing uh Outsourcing uh Outsourcing uh countries um so the way I actually countries um so the way I actually countries um so the way I actually outsourced Tana is because my brother is outsourced Tana is because my brother is outsourced Tana is because my brother is currently in Ghana and he's in the tech currently in Ghana and he's in the tech currently in Ghana and he's in the tech field as well too so I kind of just told field as well too so I kind of just told field as well too so I kind of just told him if he could ask around his friends him if he could ask around his friends him if he could ask around his friends or his slack community and that's that's or his slack community and that's that's or his slack community and that's that's how it went my previous developers were how it went my previous developers were how it went my previous developers were in India and I I thought it would be in India and I I thought it would be in India and I I thought it would be cheaper but it was way expensive so cheaper but it was way expensive so cheaper but it was way expensive so really oh my

really oh my really oh my goodness what do you do with that like goodness what do you do with that like goodness what do you do with that like where did you compartmentalize that like where did you compartmentalize that like where did you compartmentalize that like is there code from the previous version is there code from the previous version is there code from the previous version or did your Gan uh developer look at the or did your Gan uh developer look at the or did your Gan uh developer look at the Indian code and then say well I can use Indian code and then say well I can use Indian code and then say well I can use this and I'm going to throw that out or this and I'm going to throw that out or this and I'm going to throw that out or did you just reboot it yeah we just did you just reboot it yeah we just did you just reboot it yeah we just reboot it it was kind of painful but we reboot it it was kind of painful but we reboot it it was kind of painful but we had to it was you know it wasn't good it had to it was you know it wasn't good it had to it was you know it wasn't good it wasn't really good and he wasn't the wasn't really good and he wasn't the wasn't really good and he wasn't the first developer to tell me that um I've first developer to tell me that um I've first developer to tell me that um I've interviewed a bunch of different interviewed a bunch of different interviewed a bunch of different developers I gave them access to the developers I gave them access to the developers I gave them access to the code and some of them were just like I code and some of them were just like I code and some of them were just like I have no idea what's going on here oh man have no idea what's going on here oh man have no idea what's going on here oh man yeah so we just rebuilt it that's got to yeah so we just rebuilt it that's got to yeah so we just rebuilt it that's got to hurt let me ask you this though because hurt let me ask you this though because hurt let me ask you this though because you are a Founder you're the you're the you are a Founder you're the you're the you are a Founder you're the you're the PM right you're the program manager the PM right you're the program manager the PM right you're the program manager the product manager you're the you're the product manager you're the you're the product manager you're the you're the the user interface designer you know the user interface designer you know the user interface designer you know what you you have the what you you have the what you you have the vision how do you when you don't speak vision how do you when you don't speak vision how do you when you don't speak code pick pick a Dev feel confident code pick pick a Dev feel confident code pick pick a Dev feel confident about the code how did you interview about the code how did you interview about the code how did you interview your developer because you're there's a your developer because you're there's a your developer because you're there's a trust there they're trusting that you trust there they're trusting that you trust there they're trusting that you have a great idea yeah and you're have a great idea yeah and you're have a great idea yeah and you're trusting that they can express it in the trusting that they can express it in the trusting that they can express it in the Poetry that is that is code for them yes Poetry that is that is code for them yes Poetry that is that is code for them yes yes so um when I was interviewing my yes so um when I was interviewing my yes so um when I was interviewing my developers and how I ended up choosing developers and how I ended up choosing developers and how I ended up choosing my current one well first I would tell my current one well first I would tell my current one well first I would tell them exactly what I'm looking for within them exactly what I'm looking for within them exactly what I'm looking for within the app and then um I'd give them the the app and then um I'd give them the the app and then um I'd give them the access to the repository and get H and access to the repository and get H and access to the repository and get H and they'd go look around and out of the they'd go look around and out of the they'd go look around and out of the seven people at the time that I seven people at the time that I seven people at the time that I interviewed he was the one that was just

interviewed he was the one that was just interviewed he was the one that was just confident you know he knew he was like I confident you know he knew he was like I confident you know he knew he was like I know what I'm looking at um I have a know what I'm looking at um I have a know what I'm looking at um I have a plan for what we can do and also he was plan for what we can do and also he was plan for what we can do and also he was very excited about it he just seemed very excited about it he just seemed very excited about it he just seemed very very very genuine um he seemed like he really just genuine um he seemed like he really just genuine um he seemed like he really just wanted to be be a part of this project wanted to be be a part of this project wanted to be be a part of this project and you don't really get that too much and you don't really get that too much and you don't really get that too much people are just like okay you have the people are just like okay you have the people are just like okay you have the money sounds good whatever but he was money sounds good whatever but he was money sounds good whatever but he was very um intrigued about it and it seemed very um intrigued about it and it seemed very um intrigued about it and it seemed like he actually knew what he was like he actually knew what he was like he actually knew what he was talking about it and he seemed like he talking about it and he seemed like he talking about it and he seemed like he was actually genuine so that's how I was actually genuine so that's how I was actually genuine so that's how I ended up going with him do you feel that ended up going with him do you feel that ended up going with him do you feel that that mattered as much or more than the that mattered as much or more than the that mattered as much or more than the quality of the code like if the person quality of the code like if the person quality of the code like if the person cares and then when you worked with the cares and then when you worked with the cares and then when you worked with the other developers did they did they care other developers did they did they care other developers did they did they care did you feel that they cared or were did you feel that they cared or were did you feel that they cared or were they just like slinging code for you uh they just like slinging code for you uh they just like slinging code for you uh I felt like they're just slinging code I felt like they're just slinging code I felt like they're just slinging code for me the PM maybe because it was a for me the PM maybe because it was a for me the PM maybe because it was a whole team actually it was like a team whole team actually it was like a team whole team actually it was like a team of like 10 the PM maybe was like you of like 10 the PM maybe was like you of like 10 the PM maybe was like you know I felt okay with her but I don't know I felt okay with her but I don't know I felt okay with her but I don't feel like they really care too much they feel like they really care too much they feel like they really care too much they were just building the app but um you were just building the app but um you were just building the app but um you can tell with my developer even though can tell with my developer even though can tell with my developer even though my bedad sometimes he's very intentional my bedad sometimes he's very intentional my bedad sometimes he's very intentional about what he's doing he does care and I about what he's doing he does care and I about what he's doing he does care and I think that is important because I care think that is important because I care think that is important because I care about what what I'm doing it's not just about what what I'm doing it's not just about what what I'm doing it's not just like yeah let's just make a business like yeah let's just make a business like yeah let's just make a business like I care about what I'm doing so it'd like I care about what I'm doing so it'd like I care about what I'm doing so it'd be nice to have someone cares a bit as be nice to have someone cares a bit as be nice to have someone cares a bit as well well well too hey friends in the interest of me too hey friends in the interest of me too hey friends in the interest of me learning more about AI for the next learning more about AI for the next learning more about AI for the next couple of episodes I'm going to have a couple of episodes I'm going to have a couple of episodes I'm going to have a little thing in the Middle where I'm

little thing in the Middle where I'm little thing in the Middle where I'm going to bring Lane ver vorne from going to bring Lane ver vorne from going to bring Lane ver vorne from Qualcomm in to help me understand more Qualcomm in to help me understand more Qualcomm in to help me understand more about AI now at Qualcomm you've really about AI now at Qualcomm you've really about AI now at Qualcomm you've really taken a developer first Approach at taken a developer first Approach at taken a developer first Approach at getting folks excited about the Silicon getting folks excited about the Silicon getting folks excited about the Silicon that you're creating why why do you do that you're creating why why do you do that you're creating why why do you do that oh well in it developers basically that oh well in it developers basically that oh well in it developers basically add value to your platform right it's uh add value to your platform right it's uh add value to your platform right it's uh allowing them to enable or to use your allowing them to enable or to use your allowing them to enable or to use your Hardware they're going to come up with Hardware they're going to come up with Hardware they're going to come up with new applications they're going to come new applications they're going to come new applications they're going to come up with new use cases that you've never up with new use cases that you've never up with new use cases that you've never thought of and they add value to that thought of and they add value to that thought of and they add value to that and the key component of allowing and the key component of allowing and the key component of allowing developers to do this is to make sure developers to do this is to make sure developers to do this is to make sure that they've got the information that they've got the information that they've got the information available that they need and that's a available that they need and that's a available that they need and that's a big thing we refer to as developer first big thing we refer to as developer first big thing we refer to as developer first at welcome but it's basically making at welcome but it's basically making at welcome but it's basically making things available so you can just things available so you can just things available so you can just download it you don't have to sign download it you don't have to sign download it you don't have to sign licenses the tools are there the open licenses the tools are there the open licenses the tools are there the open source tools are there that is in short source tools are there that is in short source tools are there that is in short what's developer first and why it's what's developer first and why it's what's developer first and why it's necessary yeah and engaging more deeply necessary yeah and engaging more deeply necessary yeah and engaging more deeply with the community I love that you are with the community I love that you are with the community I love that you are showing up in all of those spaces and showing up in all of those spaces and showing up in all of those spaces and folks can check out more at folks can check out more at folks can check out more at qualcomm.com developer uh to download qualcomm.com developer uh to download qualcomm.com developer uh to download those things and learn more those things and learn more those things and learn more today talk to me about the budding heads today talk to me about the budding heads today talk to me about the budding heads like what does that mean when you are like what does that mean when you are like what does that mean when you are butting heads with your butting heads with your butting heads with your Dev I think it's like he'd say you know Dev I think it's like he'd say you know Dev I think it's like he'd say you know I like I like it this way kind of thing I like I like it this way kind of thing I like I like it this way kind of thing and I'm just like ah it doesn't really and I'm just like ah it doesn't really and I'm just like ah it doesn't really make sense but the thing is like he's make sense but the thing is like he's make sense but the thing is like he's from a tech a tech standpoint it's like

from a tech a tech standpoint it's like from a tech a tech standpoint it's like I'm talking to a a robot and I'm talking to a a robot and I'm talking to a a robot and then you're talking to a robot I will then you're talking to a robot I will then you're talking to a robot I will try not to be offended on behalf of all try not to be offended on behalf of all try not to be offended on behalf of all developers but thank you sorry to the developers but thank you sorry to the developers but thank you sorry to the developers out there and then there's me developers out there and then there's me developers out there and then there's me where it's like I'm thinking everything where it's like I'm thinking everything where it's like I'm thinking everything else so sometimes I try to um Pitch else so sometimes I try to um Pitch else so sometimes I try to um Pitch something because I think they might be something because I think they might be something because I think they might be something the users might like but something the users might like but something the users might like but sometimes he might want to pitch sometimes he might want to pitch sometimes he might want to pitch something because he think it's something because he think it's something because he think it's something that might be good for how something that might be good for how something that might be good for how their app is running or something like their app is running or something like their app is running or something like that but for the most part I mean we we that but for the most part I mean we we that but for the most part I mean we we can we communicate uh well even though can we communicate uh well even though can we communicate uh well even though we're on different sides of the we're on different sides of the we're on different sides of the world and did you um did you understand world and did you um did you understand world and did you um did you understand going into it like the difference as an going into it like the difference as an going into it like the difference as an example between like the front end and example between like the front end and example between like the front end and the back end and what the database the back end and what the database the back end and what the database choices that they were going to make choices that they were going to make choices that they were going to make were going to be and like when he says were going to be and like when he says were going to be and like when he says oh I think we should use react or I oh I think we should use react or I oh I think we should use react or I think we should use Swift and like you think we should use Swift and like you think we should use Swift and like you also you mentioned at the beginning also you mentioned at the beginning also you mentioned at the beginning you're on IOS and Android so you have you're on IOS and Android so you have you're on IOS and Android so you have two versions of the app that you have to two versions of the app that you have to two versions of the app that you have to maintain right how do you go and say maintain right how do you go and say maintain right how do you go and say yeah sounds good use uh use whatever use yeah sounds good use uh use whatever use yeah sounds good use uh use whatever use cotlin because you don't know yeah yeah cotlin because you don't know yeah yeah cotlin because you don't know yeah yeah that's the scary part honestly it's like that's the scary part honestly it's like that's the scary part honestly it's like I really don't know anything so I'm just I really don't know anything so I'm just I really don't know anything so I'm just having to either check with someone else having to either check with someone else having to either check with someone else that I do know and I trust or that I do know and I trust or that I do know and I trust or yeah but with him I knew we were using yeah but with him I knew we were using yeah but with him I knew we were using rack native before I knew some of the rack native before I knew some of the rack native before I knew some of the language because I was working on the language because I was working on the language because I was working on the app for a year with the other developers app for a year with the other developers app for a year with the other developers so I knew a bit of the language I knew so I knew a bit of the language I knew so I knew a bit of the language I knew we're going to use react native but um we're going to use react native but um we're going to use react native but um certain things uh because I I did trust certain things uh because I I did trust certain things uh because I I did trust him I just let him I just let him take

him I just let him I just let him take him I just let him I just let him take the wheel with that it's like I'm not the wheel with that it's like I'm not the wheel with that it's like I'm not going to go back and forth when it comes going to go back and forth when it comes going to go back and forth when it comes to developer I I trust it and uh yeah to developer I I trust it and uh yeah to developer I I trust it and uh yeah one of the one of my friends runs a a one of the one of my friends runs a a one of the one of my friends runs a a book club app called uh the story graph book club app called uh the story graph book club app called uh the story graph and um they see these bursts where like and um they see these bursts where like and um they see these bursts where like a lot of traffic shows up and then a lot of traffic shows up and then a lot of traffic shows up and then they're like oh no there's 100 people they're like oh no there's 100 people they're like oh no there's 100 people just showed up and we didn't we weren't just showed up and we didn't we weren't just showed up and we didn't we weren't ready for them have you had any moments ready for them have you had any moments ready for them have you had any moments like that where like oh that that back like that where like oh that that back like that where like oh that that back end is down or you know too many people end is down or you know too many people end is down or you know too many people showed up on the first day and we showed up on the first day and we showed up on the first day and we weren't ready for there this many weren't ready for there this many weren't ready for there this many signups thankfully no that'd be a good signups thankfully no that'd be a good signups thankfully no that'd be a good problem to have though wouldn't it it problem to have though wouldn't it it problem to have though wouldn't it it would be a great problem to have yeah I would be a great problem to have yeah I would be a great problem to have yeah I was like I hope we get 10,000 signup was like I hope we get 10,000 signup was like I hope we get 10,000 signup firstday and it firstday and it firstday and it crashes but no we didn't we didn't have crashes but no we didn't we didn't have crashes but no we didn't we didn't have that problem and um I think if we did uh that problem and um I think if we did uh that problem and um I think if we did uh we probably would be ready for it on for we probably would be ready for it on for we probably would be ready for it on for the most the most the most part you feel that's it's going to part you feel that's it's going to part you feel that's it's going to scale Yeah we actually I actually just scale Yeah we actually I actually just scale Yeah we actually I actually just today uh brought on a Content today uh brought on a Content today uh brought on a Content specialist um content Market specialist specialist um content Market specialist specialist um content Market specialist and we're starting our content starting and we're starting our content starting and we're starting our content starting from Monday we're gonna be so it's not from Monday we're gonna be so it's not from Monday we're gonna be so it's not just gonna be me anymore it's going to just gonna be me anymore it's going to just gonna be me anymore it's going to be a whole team actually uh and we're be a whole team actually uh and we're be a whole team actually uh and we're going to be active on the all the social going to be active on the all the social going to be active on the all the social media Pages um the goal is to grow the media Pages um the goal is to grow the media Pages um the goal is to grow the pages also grow the user base so I I pages also grow the user base so I I pages also grow the user base so I I think we'll be seeing a lot more think we'll be seeing a lot more think we'll be seeing a lot more people um I noticed that you didn't you people um I noticed that you didn't you people um I noticed that you didn't you didn't try to go up against like um didn't try to go up against like um didn't try to go up against like um letter boxed and like they're movies you letter boxed and like they're movies you letter boxed and like they're movies you are media books movies shows you also

are media books movies shows you also are media books movies shows you also have clubs where you can combine each of have clubs where you can combine each of have clubs where you can combine each of those things and have all of them being those things and have all of them being those things and have all of them being talked about so like relationship club talked about so like relationship club talked about so like relationship club or uh you know uh afro futurism club or or uh you know uh afro futurism club or or uh you know uh afro futurism club or whatever um whatever um whatever um do you look at the competitors do you do you look at the competitors do you do you look at the competitors do you look at letter box and say we need to do look at letter box and say we need to do look at letter box and say we need to do like what they're doing do you look at like what they're doing do you look at like what they're doing do you look at good reads and like do that or do you good reads and like do that or do you good reads and like do that or do you just go with your original Vision I just just go with your original Vision I just just go with your original Vision I just go with my original Vision I know more go with my original Vision I know more go with my original Vision I know more most people or some people might say most people or some people might say most people or some people might say that's kind of poor planning but uh I that's kind of poor planning but uh I that's kind of poor planning but uh I really don't care what they're doing on really don't care what they're doing on really don't care what they're doing on that side I had this plan and uh it's that side I had this plan and uh it's that side I had this plan and uh it's been going well so far I like to hear been going well so far I like to hear been going well so far I like to hear what the users are saying if they're what the users are saying if they're what the users are saying if they're saying oh you know we want this we want saying oh you know we want this we want saying oh you know we want this we want that cool but I'm not really based stuff that cool but I'm not really based stuff that cool but I'm not really based stuff um while other apps are doing what I do um while other apps are doing what I do um while other apps are doing what I do like is that you know they look nice but like is that you know they look nice but like is that you know they look nice but uh we'll get uh we'll get uh we'll get there the there's no place that I see there the there's no place that I see there the there's no place that I see because I'm on the app right here uh because I'm on the app right here uh because I'm on the app right here uh where I can just randomly start talking where I can just randomly start talking where I can just randomly start talking instead the topic is around some instead the topic is around some instead the topic is around some structure it feels far more structured structure it feels far more structured structure it feels far more structured than like Twitter because I know that than like Twitter because I know that than like Twitter because I know that you were on Twitter and that's where you you were on Twitter and that's where you you were on Twitter and that's where you did a lot of your like early work but did a lot of your like early work but did a lot of your like early work but that was hashtag based did you that was hashtag based did you that was hashtag based did you consciously go into this with like okay consciously go into this with like okay consciously go into this with like okay we're going to pick a piece of media and we're going to pick a piece of media and we're going to pick a piece of media and then talk about that Media or we're then talk about that Media or we're then talk about that Media or we're going to pick a topic and then talk going to pick a topic and then talk going to pick a topic and then talk about media within that context because about media within that context because about media within that context because you can't just go into the fire hose and you can't just go into the fire hose and you can't just go into the fire hose and just start trolling people like I have just start trolling people like I have just start trolling people like I have to go and say all right let's have a to go and say all right let's have a to go and say all right let's have a whole conversation about like for whole conversation about like for whole conversation about like for example The Children of Blood and Bone example The Children of Blood and Bone example The Children of Blood and Bone is going to do a casting and they're is going to do a casting and they're is going to do a casting and they're talking about doing open casting and talking about doing open casting and talking about doing open casting and maybe it's not open maybe it's not like maybe it's not open maybe it's not like maybe it's not open maybe it's not like I have to find that book and then go and

I have to find that book and then go and I have to find that book and then go and talk about that was that a conscious talk about that was that a conscious talk about that was that a conscious decision um yeah so we're it's like an decision um yeah so we're it's like an decision um yeah so we're it's like an MVP um that's just something we wanted MVP um that's just something we wanted MVP um that's just something we wanted for the MVP that's like the basis of for the MVP that's like the basis of for the MVP that's like the basis of that app but without giving away too that app but without giving away too that app but without giving away too much we do plan to expand and we're much we do plan to expand and we're much we do plan to expand and we're currently working on that now so you currently working on that now so you currently working on that now so you might have some ability Sim similar to might have some ability Sim similar to might have some ability Sim similar to other apps we do want to have that other apps we do want to have that other apps we do want to have that community space where you can come on community space where you can come on community space where you can come on there and you know you see other people there and you know you see other people there and you know you see other people interacting and St like that right now interacting and St like that right now interacting and St like that right now yeah it was the intention to do it but yeah it was the intention to do it but yeah it was the intention to do it but we we do want to grow and be able to we we do want to grow and be able to we we do want to grow and be able to have that capability but still with the have that capability but still with the have that capability but still with the same theme of the app obviously you're same theme of the app obviously you're same theme of the app obviously you're not just going to go on there tweet I not just going to go on there tweet I not just going to go on there tweet I love donuts or whatever the case is yeah love donuts or whatever the case is yeah love donuts or whatever the case is yeah cuz I know that when I'm on Twitter and cuz I know that when I'm on Twitter and cuz I know that when I'm on Twitter and like some movie comes out or like there like some movie comes out or like there like some movie comes out or like there was the whole thing about spoiling um was the whole thing about spoiling um was the whole thing about spoiling um what's the Jake Gyllenhaal thing that what's the Jake Gyllenhaal thing that what's the Jake Gyllenhaal thing that everyone's talking everyone's talking everyone's talking about Jake Gyllenhaal and Ruth Nega on about Jake Gyllenhaal and Ruth Nega on about Jake Gyllenhaal and Ruth Nega on um Apple TV where he's the uh oh shoot I um Apple TV where he's the uh oh shoot I um Apple TV where he's the uh oh shoot I can't remember the people are like can't remember the people are like can't remember the people are like yelling like people are listening to the yelling like people are listening to the yelling like people are listening to the podcast probably yelling the name of the podcast probably yelling the name of the podcast probably yelling the name of the thing Presumed Innocent so I was like oh thing Presumed Innocent so I was like oh thing Presumed Innocent so I was like oh don't don't go on Twitter because I don't don't go on Twitter because I don't don't go on Twitter because I might accidentally see a spoiler to might accidentally see a spoiler to might accidentally see a spoiler to presumed innocence what is your really presumed innocence what is your really presumed innocence what is your really interested in your plan about making the interested in your plan about making the interested in your plan about making the spoiler talk like would I go and tell spoiler talk like would I go and tell spoiler talk like would I go and tell you ahead of time I am actively avoiding you ahead of time I am actively avoiding you ahead of time I am actively avoiding you know Captain America spoilers or you know Captain America spoilers or you know Captain America spoilers or like don't spoil anything that Jake like don't spoil anything that Jake like don't spoil anything that Jake gyllen Hall has ever done or do I just gyllen Hall has ever done or do I just gyllen Hall has ever done or do I just not click on that book or that movie you not click on that book or that movie you not click on that book or that movie you just don't click on the book or the just don't click on the book or the just don't click on the book or the movie Just St that's the point it's like movie Just St that's the point it's like movie Just St that's the point it's like the people who like to for some reason I

the people who like to for some reason I the people who like to for some reason I don't know why ruin it for everyone else don't know why ruin it for everyone else don't know why ruin it for everyone else on social media they would take on social media they would take on social media they would take themselves over to spoiler talk and have themselves over to spoiler talk and have themselves over to spoiler talk and have the conversation there with the people the conversation there with the people the conversation there with the people who have also seen it yeah you know join who have also seen it yeah you know join who have also seen it yeah you know join that Community they've already seen it that Community they've already seen it that Community they've already seen it if you haven't watched the show movie if you haven't watched the show movie if you haven't watched the show movie book don't go on the app because you're book don't go on the app because you're book don't go on the app because you're going to be talking about it right don't going to be talking about it right don't going to be talking about it right don't go into that room that's where we are go into that room that's where we are go into that room that's where we are talking about Jake Gyllenhaal in that talking about Jake Gyllenhaal in that talking about Jake Gyllenhaal in that room so exactly room so exactly room so exactly exactly that's very cool um have you you exactly that's very cool um have you you exactly that's very cool um have you you you said that you were thinking about um you said that you were thinking about um you said that you were thinking about um what Apple was forcing you to do which what Apple was forcing you to do which what Apple was forcing you to do which is social media apps have to aford have is social media apps have to aford have is social media apps have to aford have like blocking and things like that it's like blocking and things like that it's like blocking and things like that it's too small of a community to worry about too small of a community to worry about too small of a community to worry about it but you know what do you do when the it but you know what do you do when the it but you know what do you do when the community isn't small anymore have you community isn't small anymore have you community isn't small anymore have you thought about what happens if haters thought about what happens if haters thought about what happens if haters show up and and how we deal with them show up and and how we deal with them show up and and how we deal with them yes yes so um we're working on an admin yes yes so um we're working on an admin yes yes so um we're working on an admin panel right now that we'd be able to panel right now that we'd be able to panel right now that we'd be able to monitor all the users on our end um monitor all the users on our end um monitor all the users on our end um but that's that's pretty much how we're but that's that's pretty much how we're but that's that's pretty much how we're going to be able to monitor the users going to be able to monitor the users going to be able to monitor the users because I did put in the EU agreement because I did put in the EU agreement because I did put in the EU agreement that uh to keep it short we don't want that uh to keep it short we don't want that uh to keep it short we don't want anyone come on here harassing other anyone come on here harassing other anyone come on here harassing other people of course um and and I think people of course um and and I think people of course um and and I think that's also why sometimes I kind of see that's also why sometimes I kind of see that's also why sometimes I kind of see it as a boutique app because other apps it as a boutique app because other apps it as a boutique app because other apps you can almost do anything um for the you can almost do anything um for the you can almost do anything um for the most part like this I really want it to most part like this I really want it to most part like this I really want it to be a safe space so if there's not 10 be a safe space so if there's not 10 be a safe space so if there's not 10 billion people on here that's fine so billion people on here that's fine so billion people on here that's fine so long as it's 500 or 200k with and long as it's 500 or 200k with and long as it's 500 or 200k with and everyone here feels safe then that's everyone here feels safe then that's everyone here feels safe then that's kind of what we're going for yeah now I

kind of what we're going for yeah now I kind of what we're going for yeah now I was curious I wanted to go and like make was curious I wanted to go and like make was curious I wanted to go and like make an area for a book where is the database an area for a book where is the database an area for a book where is the database coming from or where is the movie coming from or where is the movie coming from or where is the movie database coming from do do I does the database coming from do do I does the database coming from do do I does the movie have to exist before I can join a movie have to exist before I can join a movie have to exist before I can join a discussion what about obscure movies discussion what about obscure movies discussion what about obscure movies that you may not have in your database that you may not have in your database that you may not have in your database So currently I don't know which um I So currently I don't know which um I So currently I don't know which um I know we're using API for books right now know we're using API for books right now know we're using API for books right now so every 24 hours it just refreshes with so every 24 hours it just refreshes with so every 24 hours it just refreshes with new books that are aren't there um I'm new books that are aren't there um I'm new books that are aren't there um I'm not exactly which sure which API not exactly which sure which API not exactly which sure which API database is being used for that but we database is being used for that but we database is being used for that but we are going to introduce one for um TV and are going to introduce one for um TV and are going to introduce one for um TV and movies as well because that is all movies as well because that is all movies as well because that is all manual right now so if you don't see a manual right now so if you don't see a manual right now so if you don't see a TV show on there what my developer does TV show on there what my developer does TV show on there what my developer does is go in you know go into the app or go is go in you know go into the app or go is go in you know go into the app or go into back end type in the name and that into back end type in the name and that into back end type in the name and that stuff but be one there's been so many stuff but be one there's been so many stuff but be one there's been so many requests of people asking to be able to requests of people asking to be able to requests of people asking to be able to select their own show because they might select their own show because they might select their own show because they might not see it so that's kind of something not see it so that's kind of something not see it so that's kind of something that we're working on but um I'm not that we're working on but um I'm not that we're working on but um I'm not sure exactly which API database but I sure exactly which API database but I sure exactly which API database but I know half of it me it's manual right now know half of it me it's manual right now know half of it me it's manual right now yeah I did think it was really cool in yeah I did think it was really cool in yeah I did think it was really cool in your uh conversation about Mo about uh your uh conversation about Mo about uh your uh conversation about Mo about uh building in public you on your Tik Tok building in public you on your Tik Tok building in public you on your Tik Tok have said explicit licitly if you're an have said explicit licitly if you're an have said explicit licitly if you're an independent writer Some of these smaller independent writer Some of these smaller independent writer Some of these smaller folks that are maybe doing ebooks or folks that are maybe doing ebooks or folks that are maybe doing ebooks or publish on demand you want them in publish on demand you want them in publish on demand you want them in spoiler talk so if you're listening and spoiler talk so if you're listening and spoiler talk so if you're listening and you have written a book you can you have written a book you can you have written a book you can basically bootstrap your community at at basically bootstrap your community at at basically bootstrap your community at at spoiler talk which I thought was really spoiler talk which I thought was really spoiler talk which I thought was really thoughtful of you yes yes um you know thoughtful of you yes yes um you know thoughtful of you yes yes um you know we're trying to give love to the smaller

we're trying to give love to the smaller we're trying to give love to the smaller authors out there I there's even an authors out there I there's even an authors out there I there's even an author at my uh job she just put her author at my uh job she just put her author at my uh job she just put her book out I'm like yeah let's put on talk book out I'm like yeah let's put on talk book out I'm like yeah let's put on talk it's just a great way for people to be it's just a great way for people to be it's just a great way for people to be able to um get that recognition and have able to um get that recognition and have able to um get that recognition and have people who obviously read books in that people who obviously read books in that people who obviously read books in that community be able to discover their community be able to discover their community be able to discover their books so yeah we're definitely all about books so yeah we're definitely all about books so yeah we're definitely all about that any way I could help them and is it that any way I could help them and is it that any way I could help them and is it just you and your Dev or are you just you and your Dev or are you just you and your Dev or are you building the team out you said something building the team out you said something building the team out you said something about a social media person yeah so I about a social media person yeah so I about a social media person yeah so I just hired this uh social media person just hired this uh social media person just hired this uh social media person today actually they're based in Nigeria today actually they're based in Nigeria today actually they're based in Nigeria she dm'd me on um on Tik Tok and it was she dm'd me on um on Tik Tok and it was she dm'd me on um on Tik Tok and it was like oh you know I'd like to be part of like oh you know I'd like to be part of like oh you know I'd like to be part of the team and I was just like um you know the team and I was just like um you know the team and I was just like um you know at the moment I'm kind of waiting for a at the moment I'm kind of waiting for a at the moment I'm kind of waiting for a grant to be able to uh fund people to be grant to be able to uh fund people to be grant to be able to uh fund people to be on the team because I'm bootstrapping or on the team because I'm bootstrapping or on the team because I'm bootstrapping or or sell funding so I can't really but um or sell funding so I can't really but um or sell funding so I can't really but um the plan is to build a team right now we the plan is to build a team right now we the plan is to build a team right now we have the dev we have me which does have the dev we have me which does have the dev we have me which does everything else and then we have um our everything else and then we have um our everything else and then we have um our marketing person so we do plan to grow marketing person so we do plan to grow marketing person so we do plan to grow the team in the near future near future the team in the near future near future the team in the near future near future but that also requires some Capital yeah but that also requires some Capital yeah but that also requires some Capital yeah but isn't that crazy though because now but isn't that crazy though because now but isn't that crazy though because now you're going to have Team meetings and you're going to have Team meetings and you're going to have Team meetings and all hands and Company picnics like it's all hands and Company picnics like it's all hands and Company picnics like it's just that's so cool though that it's just that's so cool though that it's just that's so cool though that it's like happening it's exciting it's got to like happening it's exciting it's got to like happening it's exciting it's got to feel strange though like I can only feel strange though like I can only feel strange though like I can only imagine throwing away version one like imagine throwing away version one like imagine throwing away version one like must have just been crushing but then to must have just been crushing but then to must have just been crushing but then to come out of that like you know Phoenix come out of that like you know Phoenix come out of that like you know Phoenix and the ashes with such a great it's and the ashes with such a great it's and the ashes with such a great it's fast like I guessed it was react native

fast like I guessed it was react native fast like I guessed it was react native but just scrolling through the books but just scrolling through the books but just scrolling through the books because one of the I'm like a computer because one of the I'm like a computer because one of the I'm like a computer guy so I'm like how can I break it I'm guy so I'm like how can I break it I'm guy so I'm like how can I break it I'm going to scroll as fast as I can and see going to scroll as fast as I can and see going to scroll as fast as I can and see if I can get it to stop you know and if I can get it to stop you know and if I can get it to stop you know and it's it's crisp so you know kudos to it's it's crisp so you know kudos to it's it's crisp so you know kudos to your Dev uh for making a really really your Dev uh for making a really really your Dev uh for making a really really polished app oh very I'll tell them that polished app oh very I'll tell them that polished app oh very I'll tell them that thank you yeah that's pretty cool so um thank you yeah that's pretty cool so um thank you yeah that's pretty cool so um are you g to take a break or is it just are you g to take a break or is it just are you g to take a break or is it just you're still going to grind until the you're still going to grind until the you're still going to grind until the end like you seem like an 80h hour week end like you seem like an 80h hour week end like you seem like an 80h hour week person like you're not going to stop person like you're not going to stop person like you're not going to stop what break like you going to take a what break like you going to take a what break like you going to take a break like you gonna like take a break like you gonna like take a break like you gonna like take a vacation no breaks you don't take vacation no breaks you don't take vacation no breaks you don't take vacations we don't we don't take breaks vacations we don't we don't take breaks vacations we don't we don't take breaks you you'll sleep when you're dead right you you'll sleep when you're dead right you you'll sleep when you're dead right all all all right how much time are you spending on right how much time are you spending on right how much time are you spending on like Tik Tok uh and how has Tik Tok like Tik Tok uh and how has Tik Tok like Tik Tok uh and how has Tik Tok helped you build this this audience helped you build this this audience helped you build this this audience because I feel like you have 5,000 because I feel like you have 5,000 because I feel like you have 5,000 followers on Tik Tok you need to get followers on Tik Tok you need to get followers on Tik Tok you need to get every one of them on on the every one of them on on the every one of them on on the app yeah I you know that's the goal I I app yeah I you know that's the goal I I app yeah I you know that's the goal I I told Umar my developer like we're trying told Umar my developer like we're trying told Umar my developer like we're trying to get 10% of our of our Tik Tok to get 10% of our of our Tik Tok to get 10% of our of our Tik Tok followers yeah and you've achieved that followers yeah and you've achieved that followers yeah and you've achieved that yeah yeah we uh started posting last yeah yeah we uh started posting last yeah yeah we uh started posting last year like January I'd say January of year like January I'd say January of year like January I'd say January of last last last year I think so you did 5,000 followers year I think so you did 5,000 followers year I think so you did 5,000 followers in a year that's pretty good yeah yeah in a year that's pretty good yeah yeah in a year that's pretty good yeah yeah do you go to where they are do you do you go to where they are do you do you go to where they are do you advertise it on Twitter on Discord like advertise it on Twitter on Discord like advertise it on Twitter on Discord like where do movie people hang out right now where do movie people hang out right now where do movie people hang out right now where do book people where do M media where do book people where do M media where do book people where do M media lovers spend their time you know a lot lovers spend their time you know a lot lovers spend their time you know a lot of them are on Twitter um but I don't go

there I I don't go there but Mastadon there I I don't go there but Mastadon there's Blue Sky there's threads yeah there's Blue Sky there's threads yeah there's Blue Sky there's threads yeah yeah there's all that and um you know yeah there's all that and um you know yeah there's all that and um you know thankfully my content person is going to thankfully my content person is going to thankfully my content person is going to be dealing with that from now on but be dealing with that from now on but be dealing with that from now on but I've been I've been on Tik Tok I don't I've been I've been on Tik Tok I don't I've been I've been on Tik Tok I don't know book talk is a huge Community like know book talk is a huge Community like know book talk is a huge Community like I'd say probably half of my followers I'd say probably half of my followers I'd say probably half of my followers are from book talk and we're we're still are from book talk and we're we're still are from book talk and we're we're still trying to tackle them so I know I trying to tackle them so I know I trying to tackle them so I know I haven't branched out in all the haven't branched out in all the haven't branched out in all the different social media platforms to find different social media platforms to find different social media platforms to find my audience but Tik Tok has been okay so my audience but Tik Tok has been okay so my audience but Tik Tok has been okay so far you know that makes me wonder like far you know that makes me wonder like far you know that makes me wonder like I'm trying to like PM your product right I'm trying to like PM your product right I'm trying to like PM your product right now but like what what would the spoiler now but like what what would the spoiler now but like what what would the spoiler talk look like with a relationship with talk look like with a relationship with talk look like with a relationship with Tik Tok like would you link out and in Tik Tok like would you link out and in Tik Tok like would you link out and in could people put spoiler talk links in could people put spoiler talk links in could people put spoiler talk links in their Tik Tok profiles so you click on their Tik Tok profiles so you click on their Tik Tok profiles so you click on the link in the profile and it hops into the link in the profile and it hops into the link in the profile and it hops into the spoiler talk app where they then the spoiler talk app where they then the spoiler talk app where they then talk about the books and then click and talk about the books and then click and talk about the books and then click and then you click back over to Tik Tok and then you click back over to Tik Tok and then you click back over to Tik Tok and you're bouncing between the apps finding you're bouncing between the apps finding you're bouncing between the apps finding your book talk community and then also your book talk community and then also your book talk community and then also because you can't really thread because you can't really thread because you can't really thread conversations very well on Tik Tok yeah conversations very well on Tik Tok yeah conversations very well on Tik Tok yeah right the spoiler talk is much better right the spoiler talk is much better right the spoiler talk is much better for conversations that are like extended for conversations that are like extended for conversations that are like extended conversations have you thought about conversations have you thought about conversations have you thought about like where those inter Integrations will like where those inter Integrations will like where those inter Integrations will be we thought about it a little bit um be we thought about it a little bit um be we thought about it a little bit um so some plans that we had was to do an so some plans that we had was to do an so some plans that we had was to do an author page that we mentioned one time author page that we mentioned one time author page that we mentioned one time but kind of like profile Pages for but kind of like profile Pages for but kind of like profile Pages for authors and that's something that more authors and that's something that more authors and that's something that more than likely would have a link where you than likely would have a link where you than likely would have a link where you could add into your different social could add into your different social could add into your different social media Pages whether Tik Tok Instagram so

media Pages whether Tik Tok Instagram so media Pages whether Tik Tok Instagram so that when um they click that you know it that when um they click that you know it that when um they click that you know it takes them right to your page your takes them right to your page your takes them right to your page your author page and spoiler shows you all author page and spoiler shows you all author page and spoiler shows you all your books your listings uh different your books your listings uh different your books your listings uh different things like that but it's an idea it's things like that but it's an idea it's things like that but it's an idea it's it's not like a very uh we haven't it's not like a very uh we haven't it's not like a very uh we haven't thought too hard into it yeah there's so thought too hard into it yeah there's so thought too hard into it yeah there's so many cool things isn't this a great part many cool things isn't this a great part many cool things isn't this a great part about being a Founder because like I'm about being a Founder because like I'm about being a Founder because like I'm like also thinking about uh like what like also thinking about uh like what like also thinking about uh like what what could this do for local book what could this do for local book what could this do for local book sellers right could the spoiler talk sellers right could the spoiler talk sellers right could the spoiler talk notice that you're walking by bookstore notice that you're walking by bookstore notice that you're walking by bookstore see the location and then tell you about see the location and then tell you about see the location and then tell you about uh a book signing or like I love seeing uh a book signing or like I love seeing uh a book signing or like I love seeing my my favorite authors in person yeah so my my favorite authors in person yeah so my my favorite authors in person yeah so um I mean that's something cool that not um I mean that's something cool that not um I mean that's something cool that not something I thought about but the author something I thought about but the author something I thought about but the author events um is something that I don't know events um is something that I don't know events um is something that I don't know if I incorporate it in with the app but if I incorporate it in with the app but if I incorporate it in with the app but author events something I've been going author events something I've been going author events something I've been going to like the past year uh when we're to like the past year uh when we're to like the past year uh when we're building and just um you know authors go building and just um you know authors go building and just um you know authors go to do book signings and I'd say hey you to do book signings and I'd say hey you to do book signings and I'd say hey you know we're going to put your book on the know we're going to put your book on the know we're going to put your book on the mobile apps Fuller talk so I I did do an mobile apps Fuller talk so I I did do an mobile apps Fuller talk so I I did do an introduction one time at octavia's introduction one time at octavia's introduction one time at octavia's bookshelf there was an author Ariel bookshelf there was an author Ariel bookshelf there was an author Ariel Historia and uh and we put her book on Historia and uh and we put her book on Historia and uh and we put her book on the beta so you know whoever were to buy the beta so you know whoever were to buy the beta so you know whoever were to buy the book at the moment they want to the book at the moment they want to the book at the moment they want to discuss it they can go and discuss it on discuss it they can go and discuss it on discuss it they can go and discuss it on the app so um kind of things like that I the app so um kind of things like that I the app so um kind of things like that I don't know if that's that's kind of the don't know if that's that's kind of the don't know if that's that's kind of the answer yeah well it's got you thinking answer yeah well it's got you thinking answer yeah well it's got you thinking though I think the point is that you've though I think the point is that you've though I think the point is that you've got options and ideas and once you've got options and ideas and once you've got options and ideas and once you've built the platform form which is what built the platform form which is what built the platform form which is what You' just launched two weeks ago you can

You' just launched two weeks ago you can You' just launched two weeks ago you can now decide authors can show up authors now decide authors can show up authors now decide authors can show up authors could host spaces on spoiler app if an could host spaces on spoiler app if an could host spaces on spoiler app if an author shows up and talks about their author shows up and talks about their author shows up and talks about their book you can put a little star next to book you can put a little star next to book you can put a little star next to the author so that you know that this is the author so that you know that this is the author so that you know that this is not just a rando it's the person there's not just a rando it's the person there's not just a rando it's the person there's so much you can do now that you've built so much you can do now that you've built so much you can do now that you've built this platform right like it's it's only this platform right like it's it's only this platform right like it's it's only two weeks into the MVP so definitely so two weeks into the MVP so definitely so two weeks into the MVP so definitely so much that we plan to do with it yeah much that we plan to do with it yeah much that we plan to do with it yeah well that is so exciting folks can check well that is so exciting folks can check well that is so exciting folks can check it out just go to the App Store put in it out just go to the App Store put in it out just go to the App Store put in spoiler Talk t k not t o k like Tik Tok spoiler Talk t k not t o k like Tik Tok spoiler Talk t k not t o k like Tik Tok and you can check out the spoiler app and you can check out the spoiler app and you can check out the spoiler app that's Tik Tok the spoiler app where you that's Tik Tok the spoiler app where you that's Tik Tok the spoiler app where you can see charell and the team building in can see charell and the team building in can see charell and the team building in public thanks so much for hanging out public thanks so much for hanging out public thanks so much for hanging out with me today oh thank you very much I with me today oh thank you very much I with me today oh thank you very much I appreciate it this has been another appreciate it this has been another appreciate it this has been another episode of Hansel minutes and we'll see episode of Hansel minutes and we'll see episode of Hansel minutes and we'll see you again next week a a [Music]