EPISODE 9 - Scott & Mark Learn To... Public Speaking

I did an AI for I did an AI for PM's uh training PM's uh training PM's uh training today and uh it's very good for today and uh it's very good for today and uh it's very good for brainstorming it's very good for brainstorming it's very good for brainstorming it's very good for summarizing it's very good for getting summarizing it's very good for getting summarizing it's very good for getting started like if you fear the blank page started like if you fear the blank page started like if you fear the blank page it's a great way to get started but if it's a great way to get started but if it's a great way to get started but if you think you can just go and prompt it you think you can just go and prompt it you think you can just go and prompt it and then write a thing and then leave and then write a thing and then leave and then write a thing and then leave then I think you're in then I think you're in then I think you're in trouble I guess I'm in trouble really is trouble I guess I'm in trouble really is trouble I guess I'm in trouble really is that most of your most of your work is that most of your most of your work is that most of your most of your work is just I just yeah I don't even anymore I just I just yeah I don't even anymore I just I just yeah I don't even anymore I just have it spit it just have it spit it just have it spit it out you've just given up I get so much more done do you really up I get so much more done do you really are you teasing I can't tell teasing I'm are you teasing I can't tell teasing I'm are you teasing I can't tell teasing I'm teasing okay all right for my AI teasing okay all right for my AI teasing okay all right for my AI research coding I have ai generate 95% research coding I have ai generate 95% research coding I have ai generate 95% of the code yeah I just sit all the time of the code yeah I just sit all the time of the code yeah I just sit all the time going no fix it better yeah it's it's going no fix it better yeah it's it's going no fix it better yeah it's it's amazing I mean that is like a 10x amazing I mean that is like a 10x amazing I mean that is like a 10x productivity booster for me yeah because productivity booster for me yeah because productivity booster for me yeah because it's like basically what you're doing it's like basically what you're doing it's like basically what you're doing like if you think about it in comic book like if you think about it in comic book like if you think about it in comic book terms it's like I'll pencil it you ink terms it's like I'll pencil it you ink terms it's like I'll pencil it you ink it and color it but yeah I'll do the it and color it but yeah I'll do the it and color it but yeah I'll do the penciling it's really astounding I can penciling it's really astounding I can penciling it's really astounding I can hear you doing email I'm literally not hear you doing email I'm literally not hear you doing email I'm literally not doing email you're slapping the keyboard doing email you're slapping the keyboard doing email you're slapping the keyboard I can hear you slapping the keyboard I I can hear you slapping the keyboard I I can hear you slapping the keyboard I glanced I oh you're talking yell I feel glanced I oh you're talking yell I feel glanced I oh you're talking yell I feel like I glanced to the side and I got like I glanced to the side and I got like I glanced to the side and I got yelled yelled yelled at I you glanced and then the typing at I you glanced and then the typing at I you glanced and then the typing started that wasn't me yeah that wasn't started that wasn't me yeah that wasn't started that wasn't me yeah that wasn't me my keyboard is silence

hey friends it's Mark and Scott learn to hey friends it's Mark and Scott learn to welcome back to the show um I am uh welcome back to the show um I am uh welcome back to the show um I am uh getting on a plane in two days to go and getting on a plane in two days to go and getting on a plane in two days to go and give a a keynote in another country and give a a keynote in another country and give a a keynote in another country and Mark you have an internal talk tomorrow Mark you have an internal talk tomorrow Mark you have an internal talk tomorrow that's right so we are both actively that's right so we are both actively that's right so we are both actively steeped in preparation uh for technical steeped in preparation uh for technical steeped in preparation uh for technical speaking so it would be useful for us to speaking so it would be useful for us to speaking so it would be useful for us to learn how to uh to give a technical talk learn how to uh to give a technical talk learn how to uh to give a technical talk uh when was your first technical uh when was your first technical uh when was your first technical talk um I well my first technical talk talk um I well my first technical talk talk um I well my first technical talk was probably def uh on my PhD was probably def uh on my PhD was probably def uh on my PhD thesis I mean but I did you know give thesis I mean but I did you know give thesis I mean but I did you know give lectures uh as a tech teaching assistant lectures uh as a tech teaching assistant lectures uh as a tech teaching assistant in grad school so kind of started there in grad school so kind of started there in grad school so kind of started there that was very subtle the way you let us that was very subtle the way you let us that was very subtle the way you let us know that you have a PhD with just one know that you have a PhD with just one know that you have a PhD with just one prompt I just said grad school I didn't prompt I just said grad school I didn't prompt I just said grad school I didn't say PhD you literally said when I was say PhD you literally said when I was say PhD you literally said when I was prepping for my PhD okay I guess I did prepping for my PhD okay I guess I did prepping for my PhD okay I guess I did it always it's just coming out all the it always it's just coming out all the it always it's just coming out all the time it just comes time it just comes time it just comes out um speaking of that haven't I told out um speaking of that haven't I told out um speaking of that haven't I told you multiple times I'm Dr renovich Dr you multiple times I'm Dr renovich Dr you multiple times I'm Dr renovich Dr ROV I apologize doctor appreciate your ROV I apologize doctor appreciate your ROV I apologize doctor appreciate your your service um was that that was your your service um was that that was your your service um was that that was your first talk like when did you get up in first talk like when did you get up in first talk like when did you get up in front of people like I did High School front of people like I did High School front of people like I did High School Musicals like I did I did that Musicals like I did I did that Musicals like I did I did that too I was always the like the bit player too I was always the like the bit player too I was always the like the bit player in Lobster number two person number in Lobster number two person number in Lobster number two person number three three three yeah a second yeah a second yeah a second Lobster uh I did a talk at the oreg at Lobster uh I did a talk at the oreg at Lobster uh I did a talk at the oreg at the software Association of Oregon the software Association of Oregon the software Association of Oregon somewhere in the mid 80s like when XML

somewhere in the mid 80s like when XML somewhere in the mid 80s like when XML was coming out on like this new exciting was coming out on like this new exciting was coming out on like this new exciting technology that was going to new markup technology that was going to new markup technology that was going to new markup language that was going to change language that was going to change language that was going to change everything um and that was like a room everything um and that was like a room everything um and that was like a room of 30 um and that was cool but I did I of 30 um and that was cool but I did I of 30 um and that was cool but I did I did a bunch of brown bags like if you did a bunch of brown bags like if you did a bunch of brown bags like if you can present to 10 people eating lunch can present to 10 people eating lunch can present to 10 people eating lunch yeah you can talk to a thousand people yeah you can talk to a thousand people yeah you can talk to a thousand people at a at a at a conference yeah I kind of started conference yeah I kind of started conference yeah I kind of started um doing um doing um doing technical teaching you know as as technical teaching you know as as technical teaching you know as as outside of school outside of school outside of school environments in the mid 90s yeah um like environments in the mid 90s yeah um like environments in the mid 90s yeah um like I remember you know one of my early I remember you know one of my early I remember you know one of my early talks was giving a talk on regon to uh talks was giving a talk on regon to uh talks was giving a talk on regon to uh the local Windows User Group the local Windows User Group the local Windows User Group in nashille New Hampshire oh that's in nashille New Hampshire oh that's in nashille New Hampshire oh that's awesome uh but then I started teaching awesome uh but then I started teaching awesome uh but then I started teaching Windows internals as part of a Windows internals as part of a Windows internals as part of a consulting company I joined called open consulting company I joined called open consulting company I joined called open systems systems systems resources and that's really what got me resources and that's really what got me resources and that's really what got me off the ground on you know teaching and off the ground on you know teaching and off the ground on you know teaching and and those were teach for a full day and and those were teach for a full day and and those were teach for a full day and some of the courses were actually some of the courses were actually some of the courses were actually multi-day yeah I worked at a company multi-day yeah I worked at a company multi-day yeah I worked at a company called Step technology and I worked in called Step technology and I worked in called Step technology and I worked in the education department and they would the education department and they would the education department and they would fly us to like fly to Intel and stay in fly us to like fly to Intel and stay in fly us to like fly to Intel and stay in a Marriott for a week and go and do 9 a Marriott for a week and go and do 9 a Marriott for a week and go and do 9 to-5 teach classic ASP teach HTTP 1.0 to-5 teach classic ASP teach HTTP 1.0 to-5 teach classic ASP teach HTTP 1.0 like that kind of stuff and it was like like that kind of stuff and it was like like that kind of stuff and it was like with labs and you're your own Proctor with labs and you're your own Proctor with labs and you're your own Proctor you write the labs you do the whole you write the labs you do the whole you write the labs you do the whole thing we sit in a room with desktops thing we sit in a room with desktops thing we sit in a room with desktops because there weren't any laptops at because there weren't any laptops at because there weren't any laptops at that point people weren't dragging that point people weren't dragging that point people weren't dragging laptops around set up big CRTs and just laptops around set up big CRTs and just laptops around set up big CRTs and just like all right everyone everyone gets a

like all right everyone everyone gets a like all right everyone everyone gets a Dell let's all learn how to make a web Dell let's all learn how to make a web Dell let's all learn how to make a web page and it takes 40 hours to do Hello page and it takes 40 hours to do Hello page and it takes 40 hours to do Hello World in Netscape World in Netscape World in Netscape Navigator those are I mean I I liked the Navigator those are I mean I I liked the Navigator those are I mean I I liked the long form teaching because you could long form teaching because you could long form teaching because you could kind of vary the pace and you know it kind of vary the pace and you know it kind of vary the pace and you know it wasn't like y here you've got 45 minutes wasn't like y here you've got 45 minutes wasn't like y here you've got 45 minutes and you've got all this content to get and you've got all this content to get and you've got all this content to get through and you better nail it but um through and you better nail it but um through and you better nail it but um quite are you are you prepping for your quite are you are you prepping for your quite are you are you prepping for your talk tomorrow are you just gonna just talk tomorrow are you just gonna just talk tomorrow are you just gonna just roll in and go like what are we doing roll in and go like what are we doing roll in and go like what are we doing today um so I've probably given at this today um so I've probably given at this today um so I've probably given at this point thousands of technical talks in my point thousands of technical talks in my point thousands of technical talks in my career I mean I counted like the number career I mean I counted like the number career I mean I counted like the number of conferences that I've been been to M of conferences that I've been been to M of conferences that I've been been to M I've been every single teched ignite te I've been every single teched ignite te I've been every single teched ignite te ready our internal conferences every ready our internal conferences every ready our internal conferences every year and they used to be twice a year year and they used to be twice a year year and they used to be twice a year builds builds builds pdc's it forums thirdparty convention pdc's it forums thirdparty convention pdc's it forums thirdparty convention conferences I mean and then internal conferences I mean and then internal conferences I mean and then internal talks and so I've gotten to the point talks and so I've gotten to the point talks and so I've gotten to the point where I don't prep much for where I don't prep much for where I don't prep much for them but hang on though yes but when you them but hang on though yes but when you them but hang on though yes but when you and me and Yan are doing work you prep and me and Yan are doing work you prep and me and Yan are doing work you prep you know you'll you'll you know you'll you'll you know you'll you'll that was a fun offthe talk let's do a that was a fun offthe talk let's do a that was a fun offthe talk let's do a prepared version of that build and we'll prepared version of that build and we'll prepared version of that build and we'll spend 10 hours 15 hours really spend 10 hours 15 hours really spend 10 hours 15 hours really tightening those demos with you with you tightening those demos with you with you tightening those demos with you with you for am I raising your game no you're not for am I raising your game no you're not for am I raising your game no you're not raising my game you just it just raising my game you just it just raising my game you just it just requires prep to do it with somebody requires prep to do it with somebody requires prep to do it with somebody else okay so you're saying you're

else okay so you're saying you're else okay so you're saying you're confident just get off the plane and confident just get off the plane and confident just get off the plane and boot up your laptop and go what are we boot up your laptop and go what are we boot up your laptop and go what are we doing I mean I I could I I my normal doing I mean I I could I I my normal doing I mean I I could I I my normal prep is I so here's one of the things prep is I so here's one of the things prep is I so here's one of the things that I do is I um look that I do is I um look that I do is I um look so sorry I'm laughing with you like for so sorry I'm laughing with you like for so sorry I'm laughing with you like for like for tomorrow um and the other thing like for tomorrow um and the other thing like for tomorrow um and the other thing too is that like you a lot of the too is that like you a lot of the too is that like you a lot of the content that I present is derived from content that I present is derived from content that I present is derived from content that I've already presented content that I've already presented content that I've already presented right it's incremental changes it's the right it's incremental changes it's the right it's incremental changes it's the thing that's new it's a different angle thing that's new it's a different angle thing that's new it's a different angle on it and so I'm already deeply familiar on it and so I'm already deeply familiar on it and so I'm already deeply familiar with most of it and it's just like let with most of it and it's just like let with most of it and it's just like let me get familiar with the parts that I'm me get familiar with the parts that I'm me get familiar with the parts that I'm that are relatively that are updated and that are relatively that are updated and that are relatively that are updated and so like the talk I'm giving tomorrow so like the talk I'm giving tomorrow so like the talk I'm giving tomorrow it's on confidential Computing and where it's on confidential Computing and where it's on confidential Computing and where it's going um and what we're doing it's going um and what we're doing it's going um and what we're doing inside of Microsoft to Microsoft inside of Microsoft to Microsoft inside of Microsoft to Microsoft research so it's a kind of a and they've research so it's a kind of a and they've research so it's a kind of a and they've got invite you know outside talk series got invite you know outside talk series got invite you know outside talk series and so I'm going in there and giving and so I'm going in there and giving and so I'm going in there and giving this talk it's gonna be and you already this talk it's gonna be and you already this talk it's gonna be and you already know what you're doing because you're know what you're doing because you're know what you're doing because you're helping drive it and you're it's a helping drive it and you're it's a helping drive it and you're it's a status report as much as anything I'm status report as much as anything I'm status report as much as anything I'm just trying to give people a sense of just trying to give people a sense of just trying to give people a sense of what prep time looks like to come off as what prep time looks like to come off as what prep time looks like to come off as a professional and look good I'm looking a professional and look good I'm looking a professional and look good I'm looking at my calendar here and I did at my calendar here and I did at my calendar here and I did I have six technical presentations this I have six technical presentations this I have six technical presentations this week uh I did a workshop on Tuesday uh week uh I did a workshop on Tuesday uh week uh I did a workshop on Tuesday uh I'm doing a career thing on tomorrow at I'm doing a career thing on tomorrow at I'm doing a career thing on tomorrow at 10: and then I'm doing a workshop with 10: and then I'm doing a workshop with 10: and then I'm doing a workshop with uh black men and Tech on Thursday night uh black men and Tech on Thursday night uh black men and Tech on Thursday night the workshop will have worksheets and the workshop will have worksheets and the workshop will have worksheets and things to fill out so I'll prep for a things to fill out so I'll prep for a things to fill out so I'll prep for a couple of hours for that the career

couple of hours for that the career couple of hours for that the career speakers event I'll prep for 10 minutes speakers event I'll prep for 10 minutes speakers event I'll prep for 10 minutes but then this morning I presented on AI but then this morning I presented on AI but then this morning I presented on AI to our team and I prepped for a couple to our team and I prepped for a couple to our team and I prepped for a couple two hours you know it just kind of two hours you know it just kind of two hours you know it just kind of depends on how well you know your depends on how well you know your depends on how well you know your material and then whether I needed to go material and then whether I needed to go material and then whether I needed to go and prep or reset or get hard head reset and prep or reset or get hard head reset and prep or reset or get hard head reset you know uh my my demos but then next you know uh my my demos but then next you know uh my my demos but then next week uh like Friday I'm getting on a week uh like Friday I'm getting on a week uh like Friday I'm getting on a flight to Johannesburg and I'll be flight to Johannesburg and I'll be flight to Johannesburg and I'll be presenting at the AI tour 45 you know presenting at the AI tour 45 you know presenting at the AI tour 45 you know minutes in front of 5,000 people I want minutes in front of 5,000 people I want minutes in front of 5,000 people I want it to work and I've got demos I've got it to work and I've got demos I've got it to work and I've got demos I've got backup machines I'm using I'm actually backup machines I'm using I'm actually backup machines I'm using I'm actually still using your open AI account at the still using your open AI account at the still using your open AI account at the C's office um all right yeah I not C's office um all right yeah I not C's office um all right yeah I not letting anything run it's letting anything run it's just um so like that like like it just um so like that like like it matters more like it's not like I want matters more like it's not like I want matters more like it's not like I want to say the other ones matter less but to say the other ones matter less but to say the other ones matter less but like the if a mistake happens on stage like the if a mistake happens on stage like the if a mistake happens on stage feel it yeah I mean that's that's the feel it yeah I mean that's that's the feel it yeah I mean that's that's the thing that's another way to look at it thing that's another way to look at it thing that's another way to look at it is what are the stakes for the talk yeah is what are the stakes for the talk yeah is what are the stakes for the talk yeah that kind of will influence like if that kind of will influence like if that kind of will influence like if you're get even like a 10-minute spot in you're get even like a 10-minute spot in you're get even like a 10-minute spot in a SATA a SATA a SATA keynote will take more prep time than keynote will take more prep time than keynote will take more prep time than you know because the stakes are high you know because the stakes are high you know because the stakes are high yeah um so uh it probably be announced yeah um so uh it probably be announced yeah um so uh it probably be announced before this thing comes out but they've before this thing comes out but they've before this thing comes out but they've asked me to do a TED Talk at tedex asked me to do a TED Talk at tedex asked me to do a TED Talk at tedex Portland um and you know there's a Portland um and you know there's a Portland um and you know there's a certain gravitas to that and it's only certain gravitas to that and it's only certain gravitas to that and it's only like a 15 minute talk or an 18-minute like a 15 minute talk or an 18-minute like a 15 minute talk or an 18-minute talk but they're getting me all in my talk but they're getting me all in my talk but they're getting me all in my brain about it like I do 15-minute talks brain about it like I do 15-minute talks brain about it like I do 15-minute talks all the time but this one this one you

all the time but this one this one you all the time but this one this one you have a big Ted standing behind you you have a big Ted standing behind you you have a big Ted standing behind you you know what I mean yeah with the little X know what I mean yeah with the little X know what I mean yeah with the little X okay with the X the little X to tell you okay with the X the little X to tell you okay with the X the little X to tell you that you're not the same you're not that you're not the same you're not that you're not the same you're not you're not the M you're not in the big you're not the M you're not in the big you're not the M you're not in the big leagues in the medium leagues um how leagues in the medium leagues um how leagues in the medium leagues um how would I get someone to prep for that how would I get someone to prep for that how would I get someone to prep for that how do I get a beginner up to skill on that do I get a beginner up to skill on that do I get a beginner up to skill on that like when I build when I teach beginners like when I build when I teach beginners like when I build when I teach beginners how to talk I always tell them to start how to talk I always tell them to start how to talk I always tell them to start from the end like what's the point of from the end like what's the point of from the end like what's the point of your thing what do you want people to your thing what do you want people to your thing what do you want people to leave with and then build a narrative leave with and then build a narrative leave with and then build a narrative that that leads them to so what so that that leads them to so what so that that leads them to so what so actually I mean there's what we're actually I mean there's what we're actually I mean there's what we're talking about is prepping to give a talk talking about is prepping to give a talk talking about is prepping to give a talk that you've already got but I think it that you've already got but I think it that you've already got but I think it goes hand inand with developing the talk goes hand inand with developing the talk goes hand inand with developing the talk okay and here's the first thing you have okay and here's the first thing you have okay and here's the first thing you have to do who is the target like what is the to do who is the target like what is the to do who is the target like what is the person person person you're person you're speaking to what do you're person you're speaking to what do you're person you're speaking to what do they know what are they interested in they know what are they interested in they know what are they interested in what problems do they what problems do they what problems do they have because if you don't know who have because if you don't know who have because if you don't know who you're speaking to you're not going to you're speaking to you're not going to you're speaking to you're not going to know dude that's so true that's why this know dude that's so true that's why this know dude that's so true that's why this Ted thing's freaking me out yeah you Ted thing's freaking me out yeah you Ted thing's freaking me out yeah you don't know who you're talking to it's don't know who you're talking to it's don't know who you're talking to it's random people who like Ted things and random people who like Ted things and random people who like Ted things and they're like people who paid a ticket to they're like people who paid a ticket to they're like people who paid a ticket to a nonprofit to go to a local event and a nonprofit to go to a local event and a nonprofit to go to a local event and they're all going to sit in a concert they're all going to sit in a concert they're all going to sit in a concert hall and it's just a bunch of random hall and it's just a bunch of random hall and it's just a bunch of random people but I think at that point you go people but I think at that point you go people but I think at that point you go okay so you okay so you okay so you know selection of of uh public probably know selection of of uh public probably know selection of of uh public probably educated because they're showing up educated because they're showing up educated because they're showing up there and they're interested in this there and they're interested in this there and they're interested in this yeah yeah um probably somewhat aware of yeah yeah um probably somewhat aware of yeah yeah um probably somewhat aware of technology and in you know what's going technology and in you know what's going technology and in you know what's going on with AI That's the T but not experts on with AI That's the T but not experts on with AI That's the T but not experts you know like you assume that they don't you know like you assume that they don't you know like you assume that they don't know what a Transformer model is but

know what a Transformer model is but know what a Transformer model is but they know they know they know what chat you know prompt and response what chat you know prompt and response what chat you know prompt and response and chat Bots do and so you kind of and chat Bots do and so you kind of and chat Bots do and so you kind of start to build out a here's what the start to build out a here's what the start to build out a here's what the typical audience M and maybe I'll drop typical audience M and maybe I'll drop typical audience M and maybe I'll drop some things for the people that know a some things for the people that know a some things for the people that know a little more than that and I'll also try little more than that and I'll also try little more than that and I'll also try to carry along people that might know a to carry along people that might know a to carry along people that might know a little less than that with a few things little less than that with a few things little less than that with a few things like for those of you not familiar with like for those of you not familiar with like for those of you not familiar with X here's here it is to bring them up to X here's here it is to bring them up to X here's here it is to bring them up to the level of your the level of your the level of your target I think that when I've gotten target I think that when I've gotten target I think that when I've gotten flumix going to give talks it's because flumix going to give talks it's because flumix going to give talks it's because I don't really have a good mental model I don't really have a good mental model I don't really have a good mental model for who I'm talking to that is very true for who I'm talking to that is very true for who I'm talking to that is very true the the nervousness that a beginner the the nervousness that a beginner the the nervousness that a beginner feels there's the basics of like well feels there's the basics of like well feels there's the basics of like well what if I say the wrong thing and what what if I say the wrong thing and what what if I say the wrong thing and what if the thing blue screens or dies or if the thing blue screens or dies or if the thing blue screens or dies or whatever but then it's ultimately are whatever but then it's ultimately are whatever but then it's ultimately are you confident in your topic and are you you confident in your topic and are you you confident in your topic and are you confident that they're interested in confident that they're interested in confident that they're interested in your topic because a lot of times I have your topic because a lot of times I have your topic because a lot of times I have uh given a pep talk to a young person or uh given a pep talk to a young person or uh given a pep talk to a young person or an early in career speaker and all I an early in career speaker and all I an early in career speaker and all I needed to say was the people in that needed to say was the people in that needed to say was the people in that room want you to room want you to room want you to win for this Ted thing I'm all in my win for this Ted thing I'm all in my win for this Ted thing I'm all in my head about I don't know if these people head about I don't know if these people head about I don't know if these people want me to win or if they paid for the want me to win or if they paid for the want me to win or if they paid for the ticket to watch me fail no they won't ticket to watch me fail no they won't ticket to watch me fail no they won't that's hilarious I think it's just that's hilarious I think it's just that's hilarious I think it's just implicit that people don't like watching implicit that people don't like watching implicit that people don't like watching crash and burns most people so if you crash and burns most people so if you crash and burns most people so if you assume that people went to build to go assume that people went to build to go assume that people went to build to go and see cool education then it's like and see cool education then it's like and see cool education then it's like well am I confident in exciting them or well am I confident in exciting them or well am I confident in exciting them or educating them or empowering them or educating them or empowering them or educating them or empowering them or doing whatever and then it'll be okay doing whatever and then it'll be okay doing whatever and then it'll be okay yeah I mean what I I do and you probably yeah I mean what I I do and you probably yeah I mean what I I do and you probably do the same thing is I'm like I've got do the same thing is I'm like I've got do the same thing is I'm like I've got information here that they don't have

information here that they don't have information here that they don't have like otherwise why am I speaking to them like otherwise why am I speaking to them like otherwise why am I speaking to them some point of view or knowledge that I some point of view or knowledge that I some point of view or knowledge that I want to share with them want to share with them want to share with them um and I just have and by the time you um and I just have and by the time you um and I just have and by the time you get up and give the talk that's not the get up and give the talk that's not the get up and give the talk that's not the right time to look at the per person in right time to look at the per person in right time to look at the per person in the audience to go I bet that person the audience to go I bet that person the audience to go I bet that person knows way more about this than I do even knows way more about this than I do even knows way more about this than I do even though it's possible you should not though it's possible you should not though it's possible you should not think that you should think I design my think that you should think I design my think that you should think I design my talk for this person that knows less talk for this person that knows less talk for this person that knows less than this about and is interested in than this about and is interested in than this about and is interested in what I have to say about it yeah and what I have to say about it yeah and what I have to say about it yeah and when I look at that face that's who that when I look at that face that's who that when I look at that face that's who that person person person is yeah when you look at the audience I is yeah when you look at the audience I is yeah when you look at the audience I always try to pick a happy friendly face always try to pick a happy friendly face always try to pick a happy friendly face on one side of the on one side of the on one side of the you bounce back for between them you do you bounce back for between them you do you bounce back for between them you do the same yeah same thing so so you know the same yeah same thing so so you know the same yeah same thing so so you know how when people do like crowd work when how when people do like crowd work when how when people do like crowd work when they're like a uh a comedian or whatever they're like a uh a comedian or whatever they're like a uh a comedian or whatever and they'll tell a joke and they'll go and they'll tell a joke and they'll go and they'll tell a joke and they'll go this guy gets it yeah what they're doing this guy gets it yeah what they're doing this guy gets it yeah what they're doing is they're like he nodded so I feel is they're like he nodded so I feel is they're like he nodded so I feel validated by that so if you have a validated by that so if you have a validated by that so if you have a thousand people in a room or 15 a friend thousand people in a room or 15 a friend thousand people in a room or 15 a friend on each side that you can bounce back on each side that you can bounce back on each side that you can bounce back and forth is like okay keep doing what and forth is like okay keep doing what and forth is like okay keep doing what you're doing yeah I'm picking up what you're doing yeah I'm picking up what you're doing yeah I'm picking up what you're putting you're putting you're putting down it's funny that you do that too down it's funny that you do that too down it's funny that you do that too after all these years you're just like after all these years you're just like after all these years you're just like yeah I don't know who you are but I like yeah I don't know who you are but I like yeah I don't know who you are but I like your face you I realized that I I your face you I realized that I I your face you I realized that I I realized actually a while ago that I was realized actually a while ago that I was realized actually a while ago that I was unconsciously doing that and it's just unconsciously doing that and it's just unconsciously doing that and it's just kind of natural because when you're like kind of natural because when you're like kind of natural because when you're like looking at the audience and somebody's looking at the audience and somebody's looking at the audience and somebody's like you know nodding their head you're like you know nodding their head you're like you know nodding their head you're like oh that person likes what I'm like oh that person likes what I'm like oh that person likes what I'm saying let me talk let me talk to them saying let me talk let me talk to them saying let me talk let me talk to them this talk is now for you person in the this talk is now for you person in the this talk is now for you person in the front row yeah I love it when people sit front row yeah I love it when people sit front row yeah I love it when people sit in the front row and are interested you in the front row and are interested you in the front row and are interested you know and then of course there's always know and then of course there's always know and then of course there's always the one in the front row doing email

the one in the front row doing email the one in the front row doing email yeah and then it's like yeah and then yeah and then it's like yeah and then yeah and then it's like yeah and then it's and then what I do is I start try it's and then what I do is I start try it's and then what I do is I start try to T talk to them and get to T talk to them and get to T talk to them and get loud yeah so building a story arc loud yeah so building a story arc loud yeah so building a story arc knowing who your audience is remembering knowing who your audience is remembering knowing who your audience is remembering that there's some thing like what what that there's some thing like what what that there's some thing like what what do I want people to feel one of the do I want people to feel one of the do I want people to feel one of the things that I I'm guessing that you and things that I I'm guessing that you and things that I I'm guessing that you and I both do that I've always added to my I both do that I've always added to my I both do that I've always added to my technical talks is at the end of this I technical talks is at the end of this I technical talks is at the end of this I want you to be able to pick up your want you to be able to pick up your want you to be able to pick up your laptop and say I'm gonna Implement that laptop and say I'm gonna Implement that laptop and say I'm gonna Implement that right now you know or I'll do a talk and right now you know or I'll do a talk and right now you know or I'll do a talk and this is the thing that's so great about this is the thing that's so great about this is the thing that's so great about like zoomit because we're going to do a like zoomit because we're going to do a like zoomit because we're going to do a show on Zoom it later which is if you show on Zoom it later which is if you show on Zoom it later which is if you are not feeling good about your talk are not feeling good about your talk are not feeling good about your talk just show AIS internals tool and then just show AIS internals tool and then just show AIS internals tool and then even if the talk topic didn't matter even if the talk topic didn't matter even if the talk topic didn't matter they'll go well at least he used zoomit they'll go well at least he used zoomit they'll go well at least he used zoomit or at least he used regon or at least or at least he used regon or at least or at least he used regon or at least now I know about process Explorer and now I know about process Explorer and now I know about process Explorer and you oh well everything that hansman you oh well everything that hansman you oh well everything that hansman talked about for an hour was garbage but talked about for an hour was garbage but talked about for an hour was garbage but I I like that one tool I'm going to go I I like that one tool I'm going to go I I like that one tool I'm going to go and use that right now yeah great tip and use that right now yeah great tip and use that right now yeah great tip it's a good tip just use one of your it's a good tip just use one of your it's a good tip just use one of your tools but seriously though sprinkling tools but seriously though sprinkling tools but seriously though sprinkling little things in there that like okay I little things in there that like okay I little things in there that like okay I knew some of that like people will say I knew some of that like people will say I knew some of that like people will say I knew that it was a good refresher though knew that it was a good refresher though knew that it was a good refresher though but I didn't know that tool or I didn't but I didn't know that tool or I didn't but I didn't know that tool or I didn't know that other thing yeah yeah know that other thing yeah yeah know that other thing yeah yeah um so we're talking about prepping as um so we're talking about prepping as um so we're talking about prepping as seasoned experts in having done this a seasoned experts in having done this a seasoned experts in having done this a million times I think there's a million times I think there's a million times I think there's a different prep for people that are new different prep for people that are new different prep for people that are new yeah to it because I think one and yeah to it because I think one and yeah to it because I think one and actually even for me like look I look at actually even for me like look I look at actually even for me like look I look at the slides so that I have the slides so that I have the slides so that I have effectively memorized the order and effectively memorized the order and effectively memorized the order and what's on each One MH because because

what's on each One MH because because what's on each One MH because because I've been burned when I've not done that I've been burned when I've not done that I've been burned when I've not done that and not prepped enough of I think the and not prepped enough of I think the and not prepped enough of I think the flow is a certain way you know it's like flow is a certain way you know it's like flow is a certain way you know it's like the next slide's going to be this and so the next slide's going to be this and so the next slide's going to be this and so I start to lead into it and then I press I start to lead into it and then I press I start to lead into it and then I press click and it's like oh uh actually I click and it's like oh uh actually I click and it's like oh uh actually I have something more to say about what I have something more to say about what I have something more to say about what I was just talking about or oh actually was just talking about or oh actually was just talking about or oh actually we're gonna talk about something we're gonna talk about something we're gonna talk about something different than what I just said we're different than what I just said we're different than what I just said we're GNA come back to that thing later and GNA come back to that thing later and GNA come back to that thing later and that just looks really amateur yeah yeah that just looks really amateur yeah yeah that just looks really amateur yeah yeah I always do a bullet point for every I always do a bullet point for every I always do a bullet point for every five minutes and I put them on a slide five minutes and I put them on a slide five minutes and I put them on a slide or a piece of paper I used to put them or a piece of paper I used to put them or a piece of paper I used to put them on a piece of paper on the ground so if on a piece of paper on the ground so if on a piece of paper on the ground so if I ever caught myself looking down at my I ever caught myself looking down at my I ever caught myself looking down at my feet I'd have an 8 and a half 11 sheet feet I'd have an 8 and a half 11 sheet feet I'd have an 8 and a half 11 sheet of paper with like font that was like 25 of paper with like font that was like 25 of paper with like font that was like 25 30 point point font that's like don't 30 point point font that's like don't 30 point point font that's like don't forget this don't forget that and six forget this don't forget that and six forget this don't forget that and six bullet points could get me a half an bullet points could get me a half an bullet points could get me a half an hour of material yeah but oh that's a hour of material yeah but oh that's a hour of material yeah but oh that's a great point I'll come back to some of great point I'll come back to some of great point I'll come back to some of the tips that I got on how I keep track the tips that I got on how I keep track the tips that I got on how I keep track of what I'm doing I mean that we did of what I'm doing I mean that we did of what I'm doing I mean that we did together actually but one of the prep together actually but one of the prep together actually but one of the prep things that I actually do I saw this things that I actually do I saw this things that I actually do I saw this talk talk talk um by a woman that came that was really um by a woman that came that was really um by a woman that came that was really promoter of the make it till you fake it promoter of the make it till you fake it promoter of the make it till you fake it uh you make it yeah yeah um which is uh you make it yeah yeah um which is uh you make it yeah yeah um which is this uh Power pose yeah oh like you know this uh Power pose yeah oh like you know this uh Power pose yeah oh like you know hands in like before the talk go go back hands in like before the talk go go back hands in like before the talk go go back stage hands in the air spread out and stage hands in the air spread out and stage hands in the air spread out and then breathe deeply for a minute

then breathe deeply for a minute then breathe deeply for a minute and that that gets you open up yeah it and that that gets you open up yeah it and that that gets you open up yeah it it actually has a an effect on the brain it actually has a an effect on the brain it actually has a an effect on the brain yeah I it's funny I look at my blood yeah I it's funny I look at my blood yeah I it's funny I look at my blood sugar of course because I need to make sugar of course because I need to make sugar of course because I need to make sure I don't die on stage but I also sure I don't die on stage but I also sure I don't die on stage but I also have started looking at my heart rate have started looking at my heart rate have started looking at my heart rate because when I'm about to come on stage because when I'm about to come on stage because when I'm about to come on stage my heart rate will be like 105 or 110 my heart rate will be like 105 or 110 my heart rate will be like 105 or 110 like I'm working out and I will that like I'm working out and I will that like I'm working out and I will that will I will take that heart rate number will I will take that heart rate number will I will take that heart rate number and I'll it'll take me a moment to and I'll it'll take me a moment to and I'll it'll take me a moment to remember like okay I am here I am remember like okay I am here I am remember like okay I am here I am present present present why is my heart rate like this is it why is my heart rate like this is it why is my heart rate like this is it because I'm about to fail no it's because I'm about to fail no it's because I'm about to fail no it's because my body is setting me up for because my body is setting me up for because my body is setting me up for success by sending as much blood as success by sending as much blood as success by sending as much blood as possible to my brain so I don't screw possible to my brain so I don't screw possible to my brain so I don't screw this up so like the flutter feel this up so like the flutter feel this up so like the flutter feel butterflies and stuff the nerves it's butterflies and stuff the nerves it's butterflies and stuff the nerves it's fight ORF flight in order to be fight ORF flight in order to be fight ORF flight in order to be successful it's not fight ORF flight successful it's not fight ORF flight successful it's not fight ORF flight setting you up for failure and that setting you up for failure and that setting you up for failure and that presence that moment of like oh okay my presence that moment of like oh okay my presence that moment of like oh okay my body is not betraying me my body is body is not betraying me my body is body is not betraying me my body is setting me up for success for Success setting me up for success for Success setting me up for success for Success made a big difference breathing at all made a big difference breathing at all made a big difference breathing at all like yeah I do Brea and what I do like yeah I do Brea and what I do like yeah I do Brea and what I do actually I do this I did this actually actually I do this I did this actually actually I do this I did this actually when we were on stage once I look at my when we were on stage once I look at my when we were on stage once I look at my my heart rate and I consciously look at my heart rate and I consciously look at my heart rate and I consciously look at it and I do bio feedback and try to get it and I do bio feedback and try to get it and I do bio feedback and try to get it under 100 before I get on stage that it under 100 before I get on stage that it under 100 before I get on stage that way I don't come out breathless and you way I don't come out breathless and you way I don't come out breathless and you do that by breathing yeah assume well I do that by breathing yeah assume well I do that by breathing yeah assume well I I breathe and I look at it and I just I breathe and I look at it and I just I breathe and I look at it and I just kind of will it yeah down yeah and in kind of will it yeah down yeah and in kind of will it yeah down yeah and in doing that I assume breathing is is doing that I assume breathing is is doing that I assume breathing is is causing that to go down causing that to go down causing that to go down yeah I didn't know this about you this yeah I didn't know this about you this yeah I didn't know this about you this is such good information the is such good information the is such good information the I just thought you were a robot I just

I just thought you were a robot I just I just thought you were a robot I just thought you went out and just like thought you went out and just like thought you went out and just like killed it no no no um now one of the killed it no no no um now one of the killed it no no no um now one of the things that I always do like similar to things that I always do like similar to things that I always do like similar to your um you know write things the points your um you know write things the points your um you know write things the points down is I I do the SE I put the sections down is I I do the SE I put the sections down is I I do the SE I put the sections on a piece of paper and I do this on a piece of paper and I do this on a piece of paper and I do this typically not long before the talk like typically not long before the talk like typically not long before the talk like even for tomorrow I'll do this and I'll even for tomorrow I'll do this and I'll even for tomorrow I'll do this and I'll say here's the sections that I got say here's the sections that I got say here's the sections that I got here's about if if I just take the here's about if if I just take the here's about if if I just take the sections and they're and I just kind of sections and they're and I just kind of sections and they're and I just kind of uh estimate their relative size and in uh estimate their relative size and in uh estimate their relative size and in many many cases they're about the same many many cases they're about the same many many cases they're about the same size of size of size of content I've got I've got 45 minutes content I've got I've got 45 minutes content I've got I've got 45 minutes I've got five sections that means if I've got five sections that means if I've got five sections that means if with no adjustments each section is 45 with no adjustments each section is 45 with no adjustments each section is 45 divided by 5 minutes long and then I divided by 5 minutes long and then I divided by 5 minutes long and then I just put that in each section I go oh just put that in each section I go oh just put that in each section I go oh wait a minute I've got a lot more wait a minute I've got a lot more wait a minute I've got a lot more content in this one so I'm going to take content in this one so I'm going to take content in this one so I'm going to take two from here and put them into there two from here and put them into there two from here and put them into there and that is it's like making a paragraph and that is it's like making a paragraph and that is it's like making a paragraph and you're like this this paragraph has and you're like this this paragraph has and you're like this this paragraph has nine sentences and this paragraph has nine sentences and this paragraph has nine sentences and this paragraph has two sentences and you're you're setting two sentences and you're you're setting two sentences and you're you're setting up stanzas it's actually a little up stanzas it's actually a little up stanzas it's actually a little different than what I'm talking about is different than what I'm talking about is different than what I'm talking about is that the content's already there what that the content's already there what that the content's already there what I'm talking about is in estimating how I'm talking about is in estimating how I'm talking about is in estimating how much time I'm going to spend in each one much time I'm going to spend in each one much time I'm going to spend in each one I do I do I do this this way of take of adjusting this this way of take of adjusting this this way of take of adjusting minute by minute okay to try to figure minute by minute okay to try to figure minute by minute okay to try to figure out how about how much time I have for out how about how much time I have for out how about how much time I have for that section and what this results in that section and what this results in that section and what this results in sometimes is I'm like wait a minute I've sometimes is I'm like wait a minute I've sometimes is I'm like wait a minute I've got way too much content to fit in the got way too much content to fit in the got way too much content to fit in the kind of times that I've got here so I

kind of times that I've got here so I kind of times that I've got here so I need to start throwing some stuff need to start throwing some stuff need to start throwing some stuff out um but what that does is at the end out um but what that does is at the end out um but what that does is at the end of it I've got you know section one that of it I've got you know section one that of it I've got you know section one that if I'm giving the talk and it's at one if I'm giving the talk and it's at one if I'm giving the talk and it's at one o'clock I'll say section one I've got o'clock I'll say section one I've got o'clock I'll say section one I've got from 1 to 105 yeah and at 105 I should from 1 to 105 yeah and at 105 I should from 1 to 105 yeah and at 105 I should be moving on to section two and section be moving on to section two and section be moving on to section two and section two I've got from 105 to two I've got from 105 to two I've got from 105 to 112 right and that's just an 112 right and that's just an 112 right and that's just an approximation right and then what I can approximation right and then what I can approximation right and then what I can do is glance at the clock every now and do is glance at the clock every now and do is glance at the clock every now and then and go oh I'm in the middle of this then and go oh I'm in the middle of this then and go oh I'm in the middle of this but I should be wrapping it up soon so but I should be wrapping it up soon so but I should be wrapping it up soon so behind I need to speed up a little to behind I need to speed up a little to behind I need to speed up a little to catch up and that keeps me kind of catch up and that keeps me kind of catch up and that keeps me kind of adjusted oh I don't have one of those adjusted oh I don't have one of those adjusted oh I don't have one of those yeah I have a speaker clock app and I yeah I have a speaker clock app and I yeah I have a speaker clock app and I like okay I'm giving a talk I need one like okay I'm giving a talk I need one like okay I'm giving a talk I need one of those I'll send it to you and the of those I'll send it to you and the of those I'll send it to you and the idea is if I'm what where am I when I'm idea is if I'm what where am I when I'm idea is if I'm what where am I when I'm in trouble like okay if I get to 10 in trouble like okay if I get to 10 in trouble like okay if I get to 10 minutes and I'm not halfway through minutes and I'm not halfway through minutes and I'm not halfway through that's a problem so I I there's the that's a problem so I I there's the that's a problem so I I there's the section thing but then there's the also section thing but then there's the also section thing but then there's the also if if I've made it to the Apex of this if if I've made it to the Apex of this if if I've made it to the Apex of this thing and I haven't Tada yeah and I got thing and I haven't Tada yeah and I got thing and I haven't Tada yeah and I got 10 minutes left that's so you don't do 10 minutes left that's so you don't do 10 minutes left that's so you don't do the section thing you just do a halfway the section thing you just do a halfway the section thing you just do a halfway marker I do it in uh everything I do is marker I do it in uh everything I do is marker I do it in uh everything I do is three acts ah I don't do that okay so if three acts ah I don't do that okay so if three acts ah I don't do that okay so if you have 45 minutes yeah five minutes on you have 45 minutes yeah five minutes on you have 45 minutes yeah five minutes on the front intro and Bs five minutes on the front intro and Bs five minutes on the front intro and Bs five minutes on the back now I have 35 minutes okay 35 the back now I have 35 minutes okay 35 the back now I have 35 minutes okay 35 divided by seven is 5 minutes so I got divided by seven is 5 minutes so I got divided by seven is 5 minutes so I got seven five minute sections plus intro seven five minute sections plus intro seven five minute sections plus intro and outro bumpers so you do the same and outro bumpers so you do the same and outro bumpers so you do the same that's what I do we are the same then that's what I do we are the same then that's what I do we are the same then okay and then I have 15 know 15 10 15 okay and then I have 15 know 15 10 15 okay and then I have 15 know 15 10 15 minute Act 10 15 minute act 105 minute

minute Act 10 15 minute act 105 minute minute Act 10 15 minute act 105 minute act and yeah act and yeah act and yeah scene okay we're about we're about do scene okay we're about we're about do scene okay we're about we're about do about the same thing and then I write I about the same thing and then I write I about the same thing and then I write I I write it down in a piece of paper with I write it down in a piece of paper with I write it down in a piece of paper with the times yeah on them yeah I use a um the times yeah on them yeah I use a um the times yeah on them yeah I use a um I've just texted you that app and I also I've just texted you that app and I also I've just texted you that app and I also put down on the piece of paper I've got put down on the piece of paper I've got put down on the piece of paper I've got you know this section has this demo this you know this section has this demo this you know this section has this demo this demo and this demo this next section has demo and this demo this next section has demo and this demo this next section has this demo and this demo you know what I this demo and this demo you know what I this demo and this demo you know what I actually have I don't know if you have actually have I don't know if you have actually have I don't know if you have this as well but over here this as well but over here this as well but over here I have all my I have all my I have all my notebooks from all my notebooks from all my notebooks from all my talks so I could go into one of these talks so I could go into one of these talks so I could go into one of these notebooks like here's the windows this notebooks like here's the windows this notebooks like here's the windows this was like Windows XP or whatever like was like Windows XP or whatever like was like Windows XP or whatever like find a find a find a talk here your Birmingham your group I talk here your Birmingham your group I talk here your Birmingham your group I don't I don't keep mine you don't do don't I don't keep mine you don't do don't I don't keep mine you don't do that Azure keynote and literally it's that Azure keynote and literally it's that Azure keynote and literally it's like this is my this is my talk yeah like this is my this is my talk yeah like this is my this is my talk yeah storage BMS PA secrets of P logging test storage BMS PA secrets of P logging test storage BMS PA secrets of P logging test docker secrets of P yeah docker secrets of P yeah docker secrets of P yeah it's what are secrets of P I don't know it's what are secrets of P I don't know it's what are secrets of P I don't know man here we go this is ignite man here we go this is ignite man here we go this is ignite 2016 ignite 2016 and it says Android 2016 ignite 2016 and it says Android 2016 ignite 2016 and it says Android emulator and then warm is underlined emulator and then warm is underlined emulator and then warm is underlined multiple times which probably means run multiple times which probably means run multiple times which probably means run the thing before the talk so it doesn't the thing before the talk so it doesn't the thing before the talk so it doesn't launch cold launch cold launch cold yeah yeah this is crazy man uh 2017 yeah yeah this is crazy man uh 2017 yeah yeah this is crazy man uh 2017 Visual Studio launch like so I've got Visual Studio launch like so I've got Visual Studio launch like so I've got all talks in moskin notebooks wow is all talks in moskin notebooks wow is all talks in moskin notebooks wow is that the way you pronounce it meskin I

that the way you pronounce it meskin I that the way you pronounce it meskin I don't know it's Molina I think but don't know it's Molina I think but don't know it's Molina I think but people say moleskin but mol but yeah but people say moleskin but mol but yeah but people say moleskin but mol but yeah but yeah I've got all these things and then yeah I've got all these things and then yeah I've got all these things and then I put my phone number on them in case I I put my phone number on them in case I I put my phone number on them in case I lose them and multiple times I'll leave lose them and multiple times I'll leave lose them and multiple times I'll leave it on the de or on the podium and then it on the de or on the podium and then it on the de or on the podium and then they'll call me and they'll say you left they'll call me and they'll say you left they'll call me and they'll say you left your Mario your Mario your Mario notebook now it's all in remarkable it's notebook now it's all in remarkable it's notebook now it's all in remarkable it's all in PDF I just put I I same same all in PDF I just put I I same same all in PDF I just put I I same same approach except I just put mine on a i' approach except I just put mine on a i' approach except I just put mine on a i' tear out a piece of paper from a tear out a piece of paper from a tear out a piece of paper from a notebook it's that's size and just put notebook it's that's size and just put notebook it's that's size and just put it on the desk in front of me so if it on the desk in front of me so if it on the desk in front of me so if you're a beginner I usually recommend you're a beginner I usually recommend you're a beginner I usually recommend that a beginner have two to three talks that a beginner have two to three talks that a beginner have two to three talks that they can do at a moment's that they can do at a moment's that they can do at a moment's notice and be ready to go so like notice and be ready to go so like notice and be ready to go so like whenever an opportunity presents itself whenever an opportunity presents itself whenever an opportunity presents itself you might be at a conference and someone you might be at a conference and someone you might be at a conference and someone drops out and you go hey I can do a talk drops out and you go hey I can do a talk drops out and you go hey I can do a talk I would say probably one or two out of I would say probably one or two out of I would say probably one or two out of 10 conferences I go to somebody sleeps 10 conferences I go to somebody sleeps 10 conferences I go to somebody sleeps in or doesn't show up and I always let in or doesn't show up and I always let in or doesn't show up and I always let the speaker manager know the organizer the speaker manager know the organizer the speaker manager know the organizer know hey this why let you know I've got know hey this why let you know I've got know hey this why let you know I've got three three talks I can do it a moment's three three talks I can do it a moment's three three talks I can do it a moment's notice if you need anything let me know notice if you need anything let me know notice if you need anything let me know oh so and so the last time you had to do oh so and so the last time you had to do oh so and so the last time you had to do that that's pinch I was at uh what was I that that's pinch I was at uh what was I that that's pinch I was at uh what was I I was at um at one of the NDC I was at um at one of the NDC I was at um at one of the NDC conferences I don't know if it was Porto conferences I don't know if it was Porto conferences I don't know if it was Porto or something but it was like oh shoot so or something but it was like oh shoot so or something but it was like oh shoot so and so missed their plane now the 3:00 and so missed their plane now the 3:00 and so missed their plane now the 3:00 slot is open boom it's on opportunity slot is open boom it's on opportunity slot is open boom it's on opportunity like more experience yeah just be ready like more experience yeah just be ready like more experience yeah just be ready to go so like how many talks could you to go so like how many talks could you to go so like how many talks could you do with a half an hour do with a half an hour do with a half an hour warning doesn't right three three oh warning doesn't right three three oh warning doesn't right three three oh well like modern like I guess so do you well like modern like I guess so do you well like modern like I guess so do you have any squishy talks you any soft have any squishy talks you any soft have any squishy talks you any soft talks any soft skills do you have any talks any soft skills do you have any talks any soft skills do you have any soft

skills thanks I gave a talk on uh giving skills thanks I gave a talk on uh giving technical talks did you yeah I actually technical talks did you yeah I actually technical talks did you yeah I actually uh me and Mark manasse I don't know if uh me and Mark manasse I don't know if uh me and Mark manasse I don't know if you remember him we gave a few times at you remember him we gave a few times at you remember him we gave a few times at least once gave a talk on giving least once gave a talk on giving least once gave a talk on giving technical talks together we did together technical talks together we did together technical talks together we did together he he was a great he he was a great he he was a great speaker we should do that what about speaker we should do that what about speaker we should do that what about blocking and tackling do you ever think blocking and tackling do you ever think blocking and tackling do you ever think about stage craft and where you about stage craft and where you about stage craft and where you physically are on the stage and do you physically are on the stage and do you physically are on the stage and do you you move your body I I do and I actually you move your body I I do and I actually you move your body I I do and I actually move around the stage I go from one side move around the stage I go from one side move around the stage I go from one side to the to the to the other really you just oscillate no I other really you just oscillate no I other really you just oscillate no I don't mean that I mean I walk back and don't mean that I mean I walk back and don't mean that I mean I walk back and forth and then I try to I be conscious forth and then I try to I be conscious forth and then I try to I be conscious about standing in the same spot for a about standing in the same spot for a about standing in the same spot for a while because if you're just always while because if you're just always while because if you're just always moving people are like ah so uh do you moving people are like ah so uh do you moving people are like ah so uh do you know you know Billy Hollis yeah so Billy know you know Billy Hollis yeah so Billy know you know Billy Hollis yeah so Billy Hollis years ago when I was just getting Hollis years ago when I was just getting Hollis years ago when I was just getting started gave me this amazing tip uh that started gave me this amazing tip uh that started gave me this amazing tip uh that I really loved where about physicality I really loved where about physicality I really loved where about physicality and he would Billy's from Arkansas or and he would Billy's from Arkansas or and he would Billy's from Arkansas or something and he has this fantastic can something and he has this fantastic can something and he has this fantastic can he say let let me finish can I can I he say let let me finish can I can I he say let let me finish can I can I talk for a second and and and Billy talk for a second and and and Billy talk for a second and and and Billy Hollis would say he would be talking and Hollis would say he would be talking and Hollis would say he would be talking and then he'd say let me step out of the box then he'd say let me step out of the box then he'd say let me step out of the box and he' physically like MIM getting out and he' physically like MIM getting out and he' physically like MIM getting out of a box and then he'd leave whatever of a box and then he'd leave whatever of a box and then he'd leave whatever concept he had over here and then he'd concept he had over here and then he'd concept he had over here and then he'd talk about his other concept and then talk about his other concept and then talk about his other concept and then he'd step back in the box so when I do he'd step back in the box so when I do he'd step back in the box so when I do talks on like Azure networking or uh you talks on like Azure networking or uh you talks on like Azure networking or uh you know anything where it's like a client know anything where it's like a client know anything where it's like a client server I'll declare this is the client server I'll declare this is the client server I'll declare this is the client side of the stage and this is the server side of the stage and this is the server side of the stage and this is the server side of the stage and I will be in that side of the stage and I will be in that side of the stage and I will be in that space Oh that's pretty cool yeah so like space Oh that's pretty cool yeah so like space Oh that's pretty cool yeah so like and making Motions like he now we're and making Motions like he now we're and making Motions like he now we're talking to the server oh I'm receiving

talking to the server oh I'm receiving talking to the server oh I'm receiving your data like those kind of thing it your data like those kind of thing it your data like those kind of thing it seems small but it's stagecraft and it seems small but it's stagecraft and it seems small but it's stagecraft and it works and Billy Hall has taught me that works and Billy Hall has taught me that works and Billy Hall has taught me that 25 years ago yeah shout out to Billy Hollis um is there any talks I can find Hollis um is there any talks I can find about you talking about talks do you about you talking about talks do you about you talking about talks do you think that Mark manasse talk is online think that Mark manasse talk is online think that Mark manasse talk is online because I think people would love to see because I think people would love to see because I think people would love to see that it might be um well I'll I'll see that it might be um well I'll I'll see that it might be um well I'll I'll see if we can dig it out and put in in Link if we can dig it out and put in in Link if we can dig it out and put in in Link in the not and then if anyone has a in the not and then if anyone has a in the not and then if anyone has a plural site uh plural site plural site uh plural site plural site uh plural site subscription uh I did a thing with Rob subscription uh I did a thing with Rob subscription uh I did a thing with Rob connory called The Art of speaking that connory called The Art of speaking that connory called The Art of speaking that you can find and then also if you sear you can find and then also if you sear you can find and then also if you sear are you wrapping up because I have more are you wrapping up because I have more are you wrapping up because I have more I am wrapping up more I was told to wrap I am wrapping up more I was told to wrap I am wrapping up more I was told to wrap up in the chat are you reading the chat up in the chat are you reading the chat up in the chat are you reading the chat no I'm not can I can I give one more T no I'm not can I can I give one more T no I'm not can I can I give one more T you because I think this one is a key you because I think this one is a key you because I think this one is a key one for everybody of any levels is have one for everybody of any levels is have one for everybody of any levels is have you ever been in the middle of a talk you ever been in the middle of a talk you ever been in the middle of a talk and then you suddenly and then you suddenly and then you suddenly get in your head and you're get in your head and you're get in your head and you're like uh only with you huh only with me I like uh only with you huh only with me I like uh only with you huh only with me I I'm intimidating that's why it's so true I'm intimidating that's why it's so true I'm intimidating that's why it's so true um yeah like you just like you get stuck um yeah like you just like you get stuck um yeah like you just like you get stuck and like you're halfway through the talk and like you're halfway through the talk and like you're halfway through the talk like next word um yeah so it's happened like next word um yeah so it's happened like next word um yeah so it's happened to me a few times obviously uh given to me a few times obviously uh given to me a few times obviously uh given enough talks it's going to happen a few enough talks it's going to happen a few enough talks it's going to happen a few times I think one of the things that I times I think one of the things that I times I think one of the things that I do now when I start a talk is I'm like do now when I start a talk is I'm like do now when I start a talk is I'm like I'm gonna speak I just try to program I'm gonna speak I just try to program I'm gonna speak I just try to program myself I'm gonna speak slowly h clearly myself I'm gonna speak slowly h clearly myself I'm gonna speak slowly h clearly I'm not going to Second gase words I'm I'm not going to Second gase words I'm I'm not going to Second gase words I'm going to just go with the words that I going to just go with the words that I going to just go with the words that I pick even if they're not the best words pick even if they're not the best words pick even if they're not the best words they're the words I'm not going to they're the words I'm not going to they're the words I'm not going to stumble over my stumble over my stumble over my words I'm G to speak confidently I know

words I'm G to speak confidently I know words I'm G to speak confidently I know this better than every anybody in the this better than every anybody in the this better than every anybody in the room and so this kind of just is just room and so this kind of just is just room and so this kind of just is just programming and I find it very effective programming and I find it very effective programming and I find it very effective because what that stops me from doing is because what that stops me from doing is because what that stops me from doing is going blah blah blah and then I a word going blah blah blah and then I a word going blah blah blah and then I a word and going oh crap that's not the right and going oh crap that's not the right and going oh crap that's not the right word or what's the best word to say next word or what's the best word to say next word or what's the best word to say next and getting stuck there it's just like and getting stuck there it's just like and getting stuck there it's just like whatever this is a good enough word just whatever this is a good enough word just whatever this is a good enough word just go the it doesn't matter the analogy go the it doesn't matter the analogy go the it doesn't matter the analogy that I always talk about is when you're that I always talk about is when you're that I always talk about is when you're a kid and you're running downhill you're a kid and you're running downhill you're a kid and you're running downhill you're just running for the joy of running but just running for the joy of running but just running for the joy of running but then if you start looking down and then if you start looking down and then if you start looking down and thinking about your feet that's when you thinking about your feet that's when you thinking about your feet that's when you slip you fall so just try to keep your slip you fall so just try to keep your slip you fall so just try to keep your momentum and try to keep your forward momentum and try to keep your forward momentum and try to keep your forward motion and don't think about your feet motion and don't think about your feet motion and don't think about your feet yeah don't think about oh I should have yeah don't think about oh I should have yeah don't think about oh I should have said something different oh I just said something different oh I just said something different oh I just stumbled oh that that was bad I said uh stumbled oh that that was bad I said uh stumbled oh that that was bad I said uh too many you a bunch of like no no just too many you a bunch of like no no just too many you a bunch of like no no just move forward on the ah thing I recently move forward on the ah thing I recently move forward on the ah thing I recently well maybe the last 10 years started well maybe the last 10 years started well maybe the last 10 years started removing ums they still exist but removing ums they still exist but removing ums they still exist but they're replaced with silence oh yeah they're replaced with silence oh yeah they're replaced with silence oh yeah silence is there's like three ons in silence is there's like three ons in silence is there's like three ons in that sentence just now to you I use that sentence just now to you I use that sentence just now to you I use silence instead yeah and no one notices silence instead yeah and no one notices silence instead yeah and no one notices no you don't need to fill the silence no you don't need to fill the silence no you don't need to fill the silence because people are not going to notice because people are not going to notice because people are not going to notice they're still D they're digesting the they're still D they're digesting the they're still D they're digesting the information yes so it's different than a information yes so it's different than a information yes so it's different than a conversation where you're trying to hold conversation where you're trying to hold conversation where you're trying to hold especially because the attention's on especially because the attention's on especially because the attention's on you if it's not like they're waiting to you if it's not like they're waiting to you if it's not like they're waiting to respond and so you need to say um to respond and so you need to say um to respond and so you need to say um to signal that hey I've got more to say I signal that hey I've got more to say I signal that hey I've got more to say I just am figuring out the right words just am figuring out the right words just am figuring out the right words exactly and then when you and I are exactly and then when you and I are exactly and then when you and I are speaking if you ever do talks with two speaking if you ever do talks with two speaking if you ever do talks with two people The Improv style of yes and of

people The Improv style of yes and of people The Improv style of yes and of rather than disagreeing completely with rather than disagreeing completely with rather than disagreeing completely with the person you say yes I agree the person you say yes I agree the person you say yes I agree completely wrong yeah exactly and take completely wrong yeah exactly and take completely wrong yeah exactly and take sucks the energy out of the room sucks the energy out of the room sucks the energy out of the room yeah but there are videos cut because we yeah but there are videos cut because we yeah but there are videos cut because we need to wrap it up yeah we're wrapping need to wrap it up yeah we're wrapping need to wrap it up yeah we're wrapping it up because you ruined everything uh it up because you ruined everything uh it up because you ruined everything uh but I searched for if you search for the but I searched for if you search for the but I searched for if you search for the art of speaking I have a a thing on art of speaking I have a a thing on art of speaking I have a a thing on YouTube about that and then public YouTube about that and then public YouTube about that and then public speaking uh we've got one on theet speaking uh we've got one on theet speaking uh we've got one on theet website with um with Donovan Brown and website with um with Donovan Brown and website with um with Donovan Brown and myself uh doing a thing on public myself uh doing a thing on public myself uh doing a thing on public speaking with Maria Naga and Casey illen speaking with Maria Naga and Casey illen speaking with Maria Naga and Casey illen so there's lots and lots of great art of so there's lots and lots of great art of so there's lots and lots of great art of speaking things and then have you ever speaking things and then have you ever speaking things and then have you ever done uh Toast Masters or anything like done uh Toast Masters or anything like done uh Toast Masters or anything like that uh never done that so for folks that uh never done that so for folks that uh never done that so for folks that are watching and you're interested that are watching and you're interested that are watching and you're interested in public speaking Toast Masters is in public speaking Toast Masters is in public speaking Toast Masters is literally like a local Club there's one literally like a local Club there's one literally like a local Club there's one in every city in the world that you can in every city in the world that you can in every city in the world that you can get together and give a talk and learn get together and give a talk and learn get together and give a talk and learn how to speak extemporaneously and how to speak extemporaneously and how to speak extemporaneously and they'll give you a topic and then by the they'll give you a topic and then by the they'll give you a topic and then by the end of the the hour you'll be giving a end of the the hour you'll be giving a end of the the hour you'll be giving a presentation and then you go to Toast presentation and then you go to Toast presentation and then you go to Toast Masters and you get better this is not a Masters and you get better this is not a Masters and you get better this is not a thing that you're born knowing how to do thing that you're born knowing how to do thing that you're born knowing how to do these are tools there are techniques to these are tools there are techniques to these are tools there are techniques to get better at public speaking so it's get better at public speaking so it's get better at public speaking so it's nice to know that you do power poses and nice to know that you do power poses and nice to know that you do power poses and you think about your breathing and you you think about your breathing and you you think about your breathing and you do fumble when you're giving a do fumble when you're giving a do fumble when you're giving a presentation like you're not super human presentation like you're not super human presentation like you're not super human folks that are watching or maybe assume folks that are watching or maybe assume folks that are watching or maybe assume we just are born knowing how to do this we just are born knowing how to do this we just are born knowing how to do this it is practice to get at this level cool it is practice to get at this level cool it is practice to get at this level cool that's fun well this one was learning that's fun well this one was learning that's fun well this one was learning how to speak publicly we can actually how to speak publicly we can actually how to speak publicly we can actually talk about our favorite thing Zoom it talk about our favorite thing Zoom it talk about our favorite thing Zoom it which will be our next episode when we which will be our next episode when we which will be our next episode when we um Scott and Mark learn how to use zoom um Scott and Mark learn how to use zoom um Scott and Mark learn how to use zoom it which is a very valuable public it which is a very valuable public it which is a very valuable public speaking tool my favorite it is your

speaking tool my favorite it is your speaking tool my favorite it is your favorite yes you've made a whole favorite yes you've made a whole favorite yes you've made a whole category of category of category of tool all right we'll see you again next tool all right we'll see you again next tool all right we'll see you again next week be sure to like And subscribe and week be sure to like And subscribe and week be sure to like And subscribe and uh mark is really concerned about the uh mark is really concerned about the uh mark is really concerned about the views on the thing so just even just set views on the thing so just even just set views on the thing so just even just set the thing to repeat overnight anything the thing to repeat overnight anything the thing to repeat overnight anything to do the views up share write a bot I'm to do the views up share write a bot I'm to do the views up share write a bot I'm sure chat TB could do one for you yep sure chat TB could do one for you yep sure chat TB could do one for you yep just write a bot in Powershell or python just write a bot in Powershell or python just write a bot in Powershell or python or Pearl that watches this episode as or Pearl that watches this episode as or Pearl that watches this episode as much as possible because I want to make much as possible because I want to make much as possible because I want to make sure that we keep doing the show we sure that we keep doing the show we sure that we keep doing the show we can't do the show if you don't watch can't do the show if you don't watch can't do the show if you don't watch send it to your friends and family right send it to your friends and family right send it to your friends and family right my dad watches these shows we'll give my dad watches these shows we'll give my dad watches these shows we'll give them a them a them a discount yes less than free yeah we hope discount yes less than free yeah we hope discount yes less than free yeah we hope you're getting your money's worth you're getting your money's worth you're getting your money's worth watching Scott and Mark be sure to watching Scott and Mark be sure to watching Scott and Mark be sure to subscribe where you get your podcast or subscribe where you get your podcast or subscribe where you get your podcast or if you're in YouTube smash that Bell if you're in YouTube smash that Bell if you're in YouTube smash that Bell kids so that you can get notif kids so that you can get notif kids so that you can get notif ifications then the show is going live ifications then the show is going live ifications then the show is going live we'll see you again next week