Running Dry: The fight for the West's dwindling water supply | 60 Minutes Archive

>> This past week, California declared a >> This past week, California declared a statewide drought emergency. It follows statewide drought emergency. It follows statewide drought emergency. It follows the first ever federal shortage the first ever federal shortage the first ever federal shortage declaration on the Colorado River, declaration on the Colorado River, declaration on the Colorado River, triggering cuts to water supplies in the triggering cuts to water supplies in the triggering cuts to water supplies in the Southwest. The Colorado is the lifeblood Southwest. The Colorado is the lifeblood Southwest. The Colorado is the lifeblood of the region. It waters some of the of the region. It waters some of the of the region. It waters some of the country's fastest growing cities, country's fastest growing cities, country's fastest growing cities, nourishes some of our most fertile nourishes some of our most fertile nourishes some of our most fertile fields, and powers 1.4 4 trillion dollar fields, and powers 1.4 4 trillion dollar fields, and powers 1.4 4 trillion dollar in annual economic activity. The river in annual economic activity. The river in annual economic activity. The river runs more than 1,400 miles from runs more than 1,400 miles from runs more than 1,400 miles from headarters in the Rockies to its delta headarters in the Rockies to its delta headarters in the Rockies to its delta in northern Mexico where it ends in a in northern Mexico where it ends in a in northern Mexico where it ends in a trickle. Seven states and 30 Native trickle. Seven states and 30 Native trickle. Seven states and 30 Native American tribes lie in the Colorado American tribes lie in the Colorado American tribes lie in the Colorado River Basin. Lately, the river has been River Basin. Lately, the river has been River Basin. Lately, the river has been running dry due to the historically running dry due to the historically running dry due to the historically severe drought. severe drought. severe drought. The majestic meandering Colorado River The majestic meandering Colorado River The majestic meandering Colorado River that cut through these red cliffs that cut through these red cliffs that cut through these red cliffs carving the Grand Canyon is a wonder of carving the Grand Canyon is a wonder of carving the Grand Canyon is a wonder of nature and human ingenuity. The Glen nature and human ingenuity. The Glen nature and human ingenuity. The Glen Canyon Dam created Lake Powell and 300 m Canyon Dam created Lake Powell and 300 m Canyon Dam created Lake Powell and 300 m down river, Lake Meade sits behind the down river, Lake Meade sits behind the down river, Lake Meade sits behind the Hoover Dam. These reservoirs are now Hoover Dam. These reservoirs are now Hoover Dam. These reservoirs are now being sucked dry by 40 million different being sucked dry by 40 million different being sucked dry by 40 million different straws. That's the number of people in straws. That's the number of people in straws. That's the number of people in booming western states who depend on the booming western states who depend on the booming western states who depend on the Colorado to quench their thirst, power Colorado to quench their thirst, power Colorado to quench their thirst, power their homes, water lawns, and splash in their homes, water lawns, and splash in their homes, water lawns, and splash in the sun. Its waters irrigate farms that the sun. Its waters irrigate farms that the sun. Its waters irrigate farms that produce 90% of the country's winter produce 90% of the country's winter produce 90% of the country's winter greens. To all these demands, add the

greens. To all these demands, add the greens. To all these demands, add the stress of a 22-year drought, as dry as stress of a 22-year drought, as dry as stress of a 22-year drought, as dry as any period in,200 years, and you have a any period in,200 years, and you have a any period in,200 years, and you have a river in crisis. river in crisis. river in crisis. These white bathtub rings, is this where These white bathtub rings, is this where These white bathtub rings, is this where the water used to be? the water used to be? the water used to be? >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Brad Ud Doll, a climate scientist at >> Brad Ud Doll, a climate scientist at >> Brad Ud Doll, a climate scientist at Colorado State University, went out on Colorado State University, went out on Colorado State University, went out on Lake Powell with us. Lake Powell with us. Lake Powell with us. >> So, all of this would have been >> So, all of this would have been >> So, all of this would have been underwater. underwater. underwater. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, what does this tell you about what's >> So, what does this tell you about what's >> So, what does this tell you about what's happening on the Colorado River? Well, happening on the Colorado River? Well, happening on the Colorado River? Well, it's a signal of the long-term problem it's a signal of the long-term problem it's a signal of the long-term problem we've been seeing since the year 2000, we've been seeing since the year 2000, we've been seeing since the year 2000, which is climate change is reducing the which is climate change is reducing the which is climate change is reducing the flows of the Colorado significantly. flows of the Colorado significantly. flows of the Colorado significantly. Lake Powell and Lake me, the two biggest Lake Powell and Lake me, the two biggest Lake Powell and Lake me, the two biggest reservoirs in the country, were nearly reservoirs in the country, were nearly reservoirs in the country, were nearly full in 2000. Today, they are at just full in 2000. Today, they are at just full in 2000. Today, they are at just about 30% capacity. about 30% capacity. about 30% capacity. >> The lake's now 155 ft below full. It's >> The lake's now 155 ft below full. It's >> The lake's now 155 ft below full. It's dropped something like 50 feet this dropped something like 50 feet this dropped something like 50 feet this year.

year. year. >> And it's still dropping. >> And it's still dropping. >> And it's still dropping. >> Yes. And that's when power generation >> Yes. And that's when power generation >> Yes. And that's when power generation actually becomes to come into question. actually becomes to come into question. actually becomes to come into question. >> It'll drop so low that it may not be >> It'll drop so low that it may not be >> It'll drop so low that it may not be able to generate able to generate able to generate >> may not be able to generate power, >> may not be able to generate power, >> may not be able to generate power, >> hydroelectric power. >> hydroelectric power. >> hydroelectric power. >> Brad Udall has strong connections to the >> Brad Udall has strong connections to the >> Brad Udall has strong connections to the river. As Secretary of the Interior, his river. As Secretary of the Interior, his river. As Secretary of the Interior, his uncle Steuart Udall opened the Glen uncle Steuart Udall opened the Glen uncle Steuart Udall opened the Glen Canyon Dam. His father, Congressman Mo Canyon Dam. His father, Congressman Mo Canyon Dam. His father, Congressman Mo Udall, fought to channel river water to Udall, fought to channel river water to Udall, fought to channel river water to Arizona. Arizona. Arizona. >> 100 yards. >> 100 yards. >> 100 yards. >> As a young man, Brad was a Colorado >> As a young man, Brad was a Colorado >> As a young man, Brad was a Colorado river guide. Today, he analyzes the river guide. Today, he analyzes the river guide. Today, he analyzes the impact of climate change on water impact of climate change on water impact of climate change on water resources. Is the West on a collision resources. Is the West on a collision resources. Is the West on a collision course with climate change? course with climate change? course with climate change? >> In some ways, yes. But we have fully >> In some ways, yes. But we have fully >> In some ways, yes. But we have fully utilized this system. We've utilized this system. We've utilized this system. We've overallocated it and we now need to overallocated it and we now need to overallocated it and we now need to think about how to turn some of this think about how to turn some of this think about how to turn some of this back because the only lever we control back because the only lever we control back because the only lever we control right now in the river is the demand right now in the river is the demand right now in the river is the demand lever. We have no control over the lever. We have no control over the lever. We have no control over the supply. So, we have to dial back demand.

supply. So, we have to dial back demand. supply. So, we have to dial back demand. 70% of Colorado River water goes to 70% of Colorado River water goes to 70% of Colorado River water goes to agriculture. When the federal government agriculture. When the federal government agriculture. When the federal government declared the water shortage, it declared the water shortage, it declared the water shortage, it triggered mandatory cutbacks. Panal triggered mandatory cutbacks. Panal triggered mandatory cutbacks. Panal County, Arizona got hit hard. Panal County, Arizona got hit hard. Panal County, Arizona got hit hard. Panal County alone, we're going to be losing County alone, we're going to be losing County alone, we're going to be losing 300,000 300,000 300,000 acre feet of surface water. That's water acre feet of surface water. That's water acre feet of surface water. That's water that would be delivered from Lake Pal, that would be delivered from Lake Pal, that would be delivered from Lake Pal, Lake me as part of the Colorado River. Lake me as part of the Colorado River. Lake me as part of the Colorado River. 300,000 acre feet is 98 billion gallons 300,000 acre feet is 98 billion gallons 300,000 acre feet is 98 billion gallons of water. of water. of water. Whan Wartz farms 500 acres in Panol Whan Wartz farms 500 acres in Panol Whan Wartz farms 500 acres in Panol County, south of Phoenix. His family has County, south of Phoenix. His family has County, south of Phoenix. His family has tilled soil here for four generations. tilled soil here for four generations. tilled soil here for four generations. It's some of the most productive land in It's some of the most productive land in It's some of the most productive land in the state. Crops from Panal County are the state. Crops from Panal County are the state. Crops from Panal County are shipped all over the country. shipped all over the country. shipped all over the country. Wartz grows gourds, Wartz grows gourds, Wartz grows gourds, cotton, and alalfa. Profitable but cotton, and alalfa. Profitable but cotton, and alalfa. Profitable but thirsty crops. And his aotment of thirsty crops. And his aotment of thirsty crops. And his aotment of Colorado River water is being cut by Colorado River water is being cut by Colorado River water is being cut by 70%.

70%. 70%. >> This is Colorado River water. >> This is Colorado River water. >> This is Colorado River water. >> Yep. kind of the the lifeline of our uh >> Yep. kind of the the lifeline of our uh >> Yep. kind of the the lifeline of our uh irrigated egg here. irrigated egg here. irrigated egg here. >> This comes straight in from Lake Me. >> This comes straight in from Lake Me. >> This comes straight in from Lake Me. >> Correct. This is uh through hundreds of >> Correct. This is uh through hundreds of >> Correct. This is uh through hundreds of miles of canal system. It's uh made its miles of canal system. It's uh made its miles of canal system. It's uh made its way down here to central Arizona. way down here to central Arizona. way down here to central Arizona. >> And what percentage of your water is >> And what percentage of your water is >> And what percentage of your water is supplied by this canal? supplied by this canal? supplied by this canal? >> It's been close to 50% of the water that >> It's been close to 50% of the water that >> It's been close to 50% of the water that we've used to uh to farm here. and uh we've used to uh to farm here. and uh we've used to uh to farm here. and uh this next year it's probably going to this next year it's probably going to this next year it's probably going to drop down to about 20% of the water that drop down to about 20% of the water that drop down to about 20% of the water that we use. we use. we use. >> That's 17th of what he was getting a >> That's 17th of what he was getting a >> That's 17th of what he was getting a decade ago. decade ago. decade ago. To use less water and make ends meet, To use less water and make ends meet, To use less water and make ends meet, Wartz sold more than 300 acres to a Wartz sold more than 300 acres to a Wartz sold more than 300 acres to a solar farm. solar farm. solar farm. He dipped into retirement funds to He dipped into retirement funds to He dipped into retirement funds to repair and restart old wells. He laser repair and restart old wells. He laser repair and restart old wells. He laser leveled his fields to make irrigation leveled his fields to make irrigation leveled his fields to make irrigation more efficient. But it's just not enough more efficient. But it's just not enough more efficient. But it's just not enough in the middle of this drought. No, in the middle of this drought. No, in the middle of this drought. No, >> it's it it's not enough. >> it's it it's not enough. >> it's it it's not enough. >> So next year, he told us he'll have to >> So next year, he told us he'll have to >> So next year, he told us he'll have to leave 150 acres uncultivated.

leave 150 acres uncultivated. leave 150 acres uncultivated. >> What you see green here is eventually >> What you see green here is eventually >> What you see green here is eventually going to die. I hope we'll have enough going to die. I hope we'll have enough going to die. I hope we'll have enough water to plant it in the future, but water to plant it in the future, but water to plant it in the future, but more than likely, it's going to stay more than likely, it's going to stay more than likely, it's going to stay brown for quite some time. brown for quite some time. brown for quite some time. >> All the water users are going to have to >> All the water users are going to have to >> All the water users are going to have to give up something to keep that water in give up something to keep that water in give up something to keep that water in the lake. the lake. the lake. Amelia Flores is chairwoman of the Amelia Flores is chairwoman of the Amelia Flores is chairwoman of the Colorado River Indian Tribes, a Colorado River Indian Tribes, a Colorado River Indian Tribes, a reservation of four tribes a few hours reservation of four tribes a few hours reservation of four tribes a few hours west of Phoenix with the oldest and west of Phoenix with the oldest and west of Phoenix with the oldest and largest water rights in Arizona. largest water rights in Arizona. largest water rights in Arizona. After being moved to reservations, After being moved to reservations, After being moved to reservations, Southwest tribes got rights to about a Southwest tribes got rights to about a Southwest tribes got rights to about a quarter of the river's flow, but quarter of the river's flow, but quarter of the river's flow, but government red tape and lack of government red tape and lack of government red tape and lack of infrastructure have prevented them from infrastructure have prevented them from infrastructure have prevented them from using their full aotment. Flores told us using their full aotment. Flores told us using their full aotment. Flores told us until this drought, tribes were never until this drought, tribes were never until this drought, tribes were never included in water negotiations. included in water negotiations. included in water negotiations. >> Why had you not had a seat at the table >> Why had you not had a seat at the table >> Why had you not had a seat at the table before this? before this? before this? >> Because the tribes have always been >> Because the tribes have always been >> Because the tribes have always been overlooked in the policym and in in the overlooked in the policym and in in the overlooked in the policym and in in the law of the river. But that day has come law of the river. But that day has come law of the river. But that day has come to an end. When western states first to an end. When western states first to an end. When western states first divvied up the Colorado River in 1922, divvied up the Colorado River in 1922, divvied up the Colorado River in 1922, and later when the federal government and later when the federal government and later when the federal government built the Hoover and Glen Canyon dams, built the Hoover and Glen Canyon dams, built the Hoover and Glen Canyon dams, the future seemed boundless and the future seemed boundless and the future seemed boundless and manageable. Through negotiation and manageable. Through negotiation and manageable. Through negotiation and court battles, states worked out court battles, states worked out court battles, states worked out agreements, the law of the river, to agreements, the law of the river, to agreements, the law of the river, to split the water equally between upper split the water equally between upper split the water equally between upper and lower basin states. The lower states and lower basin states. The lower states and lower basin states. The lower states used just about all their aotment and

used just about all their aotment and used just about all their aotment and it's fed their tremendous growth. The it's fed their tremendous growth. The it's fed their tremendous growth. The upper states have never used their full upper states have never used their full upper states have never used their full share. Now they are booming and say they share. Now they are booming and say they share. Now they are booming and say they need the water they've been promised. need the water they've been promised. need the water they've been promised. >> I can see the bathtub rings around here, >> I can see the bathtub rings around here, >> I can see the bathtub rings around here, too. too. too. >> We're trying to keep every drop of water >> We're trying to keep every drop of water >> We're trying to keep every drop of water we can into this reservoir for next we can into this reservoir for next we can into this reservoir for next year's drinking water. year's drinking water. year's drinking water. >> Zack Renstöm manages the water system >> Zack Renstöm manages the water system >> Zack Renstöm manages the water system for Washington County in southwest Utah. for Washington County in southwest Utah. for Washington County in southwest Utah. St. George. The county seat is one of St. George. The county seat is one of St. George. The county seat is one of the fastest growing metro areas in the the fastest growing metro areas in the the fastest growing metro areas in the US. Its population grew 29% this past US. Its population grew 29% this past US. Its population grew 29% this past decade. decade. decade. The state of Utah gets about a quarter The state of Utah gets about a quarter The state of Utah gets about a quarter of its water from the Colorado, but most of its water from the Colorado, but most of its water from the Colorado, but most of Washington County has only one of Washington County has only one of Washington County has only one source, the Virgin River, which fills source, the Virgin River, which fills source, the Virgin River, which fills this reservoir. this reservoir. this reservoir. >> So, right now, we're in the process of >> So, right now, we're in the process of >> So, right now, we're in the process of implementing really strict conservation implementing really strict conservation implementing really strict conservation measures. And if the cities don't adopt measures. And if the cities don't adopt measures. And if the cities don't adopt those standards, then we'll be out of those standards, then we'll be out of those standards, then we'll be out of water very quickly. water very quickly. water very quickly. >> What is very quickly? >> What is very quickly? >> What is very quickly? >> Within the next 5 to 10 years.

>> Within the next 5 to 10 years. >> Within the next 5 to 10 years. >> So in the midst of this drought, Utah is >> So in the midst of this drought, Utah is >> So in the midst of this drought, Utah is proposing to build a 1 to2 billion proposing to build a 1 to2 billion proposing to build a 1 to2 billion dollar pipeline able to bring 27 billion dollar pipeline able to bring 27 billion dollar pipeline able to bring 27 billion gallons of water a year from dwindling gallons of water a year from dwindling gallons of water a year from dwindling Lake Powell. Utah says it's entitled to Lake Powell. Utah says it's entitled to Lake Powell. Utah says it's entitled to the water by law. You're talking about the water by law. You're talking about the water by law. You're talking about siphoning off water from a lake that's siphoning off water from a lake that's siphoning off water from a lake that's already at a critically low level to already at a critically low level to already at a critically low level to help a city grow in the desert. help a city grow in the desert. help a city grow in the desert. >> Every state on the Colorado River was >> Every state on the Colorado River was >> Every state on the Colorado River was allotted so much water and at a water allotted so much water and at a water allotted so much water and at a water budget. And so with their water budget, budget. And so with their water budget, budget. And so with their water budget, the state of Utah has decided that it the state of Utah has decided that it the state of Utah has decided that it wants to use a portion of its water here wants to use a portion of its water here wants to use a portion of its water here in St. George, Utah. in St. George, Utah. in St. George, Utah. >> But it was a budget that was set when >> But it was a budget that was set when >> But it was a budget that was set when water was plentiful. It isn't anymore. water was plentiful. It isn't anymore. water was plentiful. It isn't anymore. What is Utah hoping for? What is Utah hoping for? What is Utah hoping for? >> Utah wants the right to do what every >> Utah wants the right to do what every >> Utah wants the right to do what every other basin state has done. We want to other basin state has done. We want to other basin state has done. We want to make sure that we have water for our make sure that we have water for our make sure that we have water for our future for a hotter, drier scenario future for a hotter, drier scenario future for a hotter, drier scenario that's coming up. that's coming up. that's coming up. >> Building a multi-billion dollar pipeline >> Building a multi-billion dollar pipeline >> Building a multi-billion dollar pipeline to pump out more water from an already to pump out more water from an already to pump out more water from an already rapidly declining reservoir simply rapidly declining reservoir simply rapidly declining reservoir simply doesn't make sense in the 21st century.

doesn't make sense in the 21st century. doesn't make sense in the 21st century. JB Hamby is vice president of the board JB Hamby is vice president of the board JB Hamby is vice president of the board that runs California's Imperial that runs California's Imperial that runs California's Imperial Irrigation District, one of the richest Irrigation District, one of the richest Irrigation District, one of the richest agricultural regions in the country with agricultural regions in the country with agricultural regions in the country with the single largest allocation of water the single largest allocation of water the single largest allocation of water on the entire river. on the entire river. on the entire river. >> There's a lot of urban growth and sprawl >> There's a lot of urban growth and sprawl >> There's a lot of urban growth and sprawl occurring in other parts of the Colorado occurring in other parts of the Colorado occurring in other parts of the Colorado River Basin that's really not River Basin that's really not River Basin that's really not necessarily sustainable. Hami says necessarily sustainable. Hami says necessarily sustainable. Hami says California's Imperial Valley farms have California's Imperial Valley farms have California's Imperial Valley farms have cut water usage almost 20% since 2003, cut water usage almost 20% since 2003, cut water usage almost 20% since 2003, but points out as the population of St. but points out as the population of St. but points out as the population of St. George, Utah grows, so does its water George, Utah grows, so does its water George, Utah grows, so does its water use. use. use. >> We need to think and rethink about how >> We need to think and rethink about how >> We need to think and rethink about how we grow and if we grow and where we we grow and if we grow and where we we grow and if we grow and where we grow. grow. grow. >> St. George would say that they're not >> St. George would say that they're not >> St. George would say that they're not asking for more. They're asking for what asking for more. They're asking for what asking for more. They're asking for what they need. I think what we all need to they need. I think what we all need to they need. I think what we all need to have is a reality check here and have is a reality check here and have is a reality check here and recognize that we live in an era of recognize that we live in an era of recognize that we live in an era of limits right now and that's not going limits right now and that's not going limits right now and that's not going away anytime soon. In fact, it's only away anytime soon. In fact, it's only away anytime soon. In fact, it's only going to get worse. A big part of the going to get worse. A big part of the going to get worse. A big part of the problem is the law of the river itself, problem is the law of the river itself, problem is the law of the river itself, a hodgepodge of rules and regulations a hodgepodge of rules and regulations a hodgepodge of rules and regulations pieced together over the course of a pieced together over the course of a pieced together over the course of a century.

century. century. For example, after all the litigation For example, after all the litigation For example, after all the litigation and negotiations, the law ends up and negotiations, the law ends up and negotiations, the law ends up allocating more water than actually allocating more water than actually allocating more water than actually flows down the Colorado. And this, in flows down the Colorado. And this, in flows down the Colorado. And this, in times of shortage, channels that provide times of shortage, channels that provide times of shortage, channels that provide more than a third of Arizona's water more than a third of Arizona's water more than a third of Arizona's water must run dry before California is must run dry before California is must run dry before California is required to cut back. So, so wait a required to cut back. So, so wait a required to cut back. So, so wait a minute. Arizona is being called on to minute. Arizona is being called on to minute. Arizona is being called on to cut its water intake before California cut its water intake before California cut its water intake before California has to give up even one drop. Pretty has to give up even one drop. Pretty has to give up even one drop. Pretty amazing. It can't work in today's world. amazing. It can't work in today's world. amazing. It can't work in today's world. And it's in some ways a little And it's in some ways a little And it's in some ways a little microcosm, right, of this whole law of microcosm, right, of this whole law of microcosm, right, of this whole law of the river with these systems that have the river with these systems that have the river with these systems that have been put in place that just don't work. been put in place that just don't work. been put in place that just don't work. They can't work. And that's why a They can't work. And that's why a They can't work. And that's why a rethink's needed. rethink's needed. rethink's needed. One example of rethinking, the Colorado One example of rethinking, the Colorado One example of rethinking, the Colorado River Indian tribes agreed to leave River Indian tribes agreed to leave River Indian tribes agreed to leave fields uncultivated, leaving 48 billion fields uncultivated, leaving 48 billion fields uncultivated, leaving 48 billion gallons, almost 3 ft of water in Lake gallons, almost 3 ft of water in Lake gallons, almost 3 ft of water in Lake me. The state of Arizona agreed to pay me. The state of Arizona agreed to pay me. The state of Arizona agreed to pay them for their losses.

them for their losses. them for their losses. >> My people want to help during this >> My people want to help during this >> My people want to help during this drought. We want to save the river drought. We want to save the river drought. We want to save the river because for centuries, the river has because for centuries, the river has because for centuries, the river has always taken care of us. So now we have always taken care of us. So now we have always taken care of us. So now we have to take care of the river. to take care of the river. to take care of the river. >> That's what negotiations are all about, >> That's what negotiations are all about, >> That's what negotiations are all about, right? It may be there ways to conserve right? It may be there ways to conserve right? It may be there ways to conserve and figure out how to get the same goods and figure out how to get the same goods and figure out how to get the same goods and services for less water. Let's let a and services for less water. Let's let a and services for less water. Let's let a grow crops that use less water. Let's grow crops that use less water. Let's grow crops that use less water. Let's figure out how to make cities use water figure out how to make cities use water figure out how to make cities use water as efficiently as possible. So I mean, as efficiently as possible. So I mean, as efficiently as possible. So I mean, we need some optimism here, right? we need some optimism here, right? we need some optimism here, right? >> It's desert ground. But as we saw at >> It's desert ground. But as we saw at >> It's desert ground. But as we saw at this meeting of Panal County farmers, this meeting of Panal County farmers, this meeting of Panal County farmers, optimism is in short supply. optimism is in short supply. optimism is in short supply. >> The farmer who's prepared the whole >> The farmer who's prepared the whole >> The farmer who's prepared the whole life, worked the land, farmed the land, life, worked the land, farmed the land, life, worked the land, farmed the land, is getting the short end of the stick. is getting the short end of the stick. is getting the short end of the stick. >> Farmers here and across the Southwest >> Farmers here and across the Southwest >> Farmers here and across the Southwest feed the country. But it takes more than feed the country. But it takes more than feed the country. But it takes more than 23 of the Colorado River to produce the 23 of the Colorado River to produce the 23 of the Colorado River to produce the bounty. bounty. bounty. With lake levels dropping, Arizona With lake levels dropping, Arizona With lake levels dropping, Arizona farmers like Whale and Wart fear their farmers like Whale and Wart fear their farmers like Whale and Wart fear their fertile fields could become desert fertile fields could become desert fertile fields could become desert again. You're going to see drastic cuts, again. You're going to see drastic cuts, again. You're going to see drastic cuts, a drastic change of what next year has a drastic change of what next year has a drastic change of what next year has to bring. And for my particular family to bring. And for my particular family to bring. And for my particular family farm, we're doing all that we can to farm, we're doing all that we can to farm, we're doing all that we can to keep it going. But I have a feeling it's keep it going. But I have a feeling it's keep it going. But I have a feeling it's just a matter of time for none of this just a matter of time for none of this just a matter of time for none of this exists.