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When an American war plane was shot down When an American war plane was shot down over Iran, the US military launched one over Iran, the US military launched one over Iran, the US military launched one of the largest rescue operations in its of the largest rescue operations in its of the largest rescue operations in its history to find this officer. Given your history to find this officer. Given your history to find this officer. Given your injuries, how did you find the strength injuries, how did you find the strength injuries, how did you find the strength to make it up the mountain? His first to make it up the mountain? His first to make it up the mountain? His first interview tonight. Presidents have been pardoning criminals Presidents have been pardoning criminals since George Washington. How did these since George Washington. How did these since George Washington. How did these people get their grievances in the people get their grievances in the people get their grievances in the president's ear? president's ear? president's ear? >> This what I was led to believe. If you >> This what I was led to believe. If you >> This what I was led to believe. If you come with this money, you will get a come with this money, you will get a come with this money, you will get a pardon. pardon. pardon. >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Those who can pay hire pardon brokers. >> Those who can pay hire pardon brokers. >> Those who can pay hire pardon brokers. >> I don't think you're pardon. I don't >> I don't think you're pardon. I don't >> I don't think you're pardon. I don't think it'll be too difficult. The LA Rams are a maybe the premier NFL The LA Rams are a maybe the premier NFL franchise. Wound tightly on the team's franchise. Wound tightly on the team's franchise. Wound tightly on the team's tightly wound leader, Shawn McVey. tightly wound leader, Shawn McVey. tightly wound leader, Shawn McVey. >> Oh, I'm a lot tormented. >> Oh, I'm a lot tormented. >> Oh, I'm a lot tormented. >> You're a lot torn. What What's What's >> You're a lot torn. What What's What's >> You're a lot torn. What What's What's tormenting you uh right now? tormenting you uh right now? tormenting you uh right now? >> Uh the practice that we just had. That's >> Uh the practice that we just had. That's >> Uh the practice that we just had. That's why I'm in such a great mood.

>> I'm Leslie Stall. >> I'm Leslie Stall. >> I'm John Worerheim. >> I'm John Worerheim. >> I'm John Worerheim. >> I'm Nora O'Donnell. >> I'm Nora O'Donnell. >> I'm Nora O'Donnell. >> I'm Ross Douet. >> I'm Ross Douet. >> I'm Ross Douet. >> I'm Bill Whitaker. Those stories and >> I'm Bill Whitaker. Those stories and >> I'm Bill Whitaker. Those stories and more tonight on the 59th season premiere more tonight on the 59th season premiere more tonight on the 59th season premiere of 60 Minutes. When an American fighter jet was shot When an American fighter jet was shot down over Iran this past April 2nd, not down over Iran this past April 2nd, not down over Iran this past April 2nd, not one but two US Air Force officers were one but two US Air Force officers were one but two US Air Force officers were left stranded alone in a rugged mountain left stranded alone in a rugged mountain left stranded alone in a rugged mountain range being pursued by Iranian forces. range being pursued by Iranian forces. range being pursued by Iranian forces. To prevent their capture, five weeks To prevent their capture, five weeks To prevent their capture, five weeks into a costly and unpopular war that has into a costly and unpopular war that has into a costly and unpopular war that has taken the lives of 18 US service taken the lives of 18 US service taken the lives of 18 US service members, the US military launched one of members, the US military launched one of members, the US military launched one of the largest search and rescue operations the largest search and rescue operations the largest search and rescue operations in its history. Tonight, we begin our in its history. Tonight, we begin our in its history. Tonight, we begin our 59th season with how the mission 59th season with how the mission 59th season with how the mission unfolded. We'll show you newly unfolded. We'll show you newly unfolded. We'll show you newly declassified footage, and you'll meet declassified footage, and you'll meet declassified footage, and you'll meet the colonel who lived through it all to the colonel who lived through it all to the colonel who lived through it all to tell us the story.

tell us the story. tell us the story. When the US went to war with Iran this When the US went to war with Iran this When the US went to war with Iran this past February, it was by sea, past February, it was by sea, past February, it was by sea, by land, by land, by land, but mostly from the air. but mostly from the air. but mostly from the air. >> Broadly, we had flown about 13,000 >> Broadly, we had flown about 13,000 >> Broadly, we had flown about 13,000 missions up to this point. So, we had missions up to this point. So, we had missions up to this point. So, we had air superiority, but clearly we weren't air superiority, but clearly we weren't air superiority, but clearly we weren't flying over Kansas. flying over Kansas. flying over Kansas. >> Admiral Brad Cooper is the American >> Admiral Brad Cooper is the American >> Admiral Brad Cooper is the American commander in charge of the war. We asked commander in charge of the war. We asked commander in charge of the war. We asked him what brought the fighter jet to a him what brought the fighter jet to a him what brought the fighter jet to a mountainous area south of the city of mountainous area south of the city of mountainous area south of the city of Isvahan, close to where Iran had been Isvahan, close to where Iran had been Isvahan, close to where Iran had been keeping much of its highlyenriched keeping much of its highlyenriched keeping much of its highlyenriched nuclear material. What were they doing nuclear material. What were they doing nuclear material. What were they doing in that area? in that area? in that area? >> Their mission that evening was to >> Their mission that evening was to >> Their mission that evening was to conduct a strike uh on industrial conduct a strike uh on industrial conduct a strike uh on industrial facilities related to the both the drone facilities related to the both the drone facilities related to the both the drone and the missile program, not related to and the missile program, not related to and the missile program, not related to the Esvahan nuclear facility. the Esvahan nuclear facility. the Esvahan nuclear facility. >> The plane's mission call sign was dude >> The plane's mission call sign was dude >> The plane's mission call sign was dude 44. It was an F-15E, a type of two seat 44. It was an F-15E, a type of two seat 44. It was an F-15E, a type of two seat fighter that's been a workhorse of US fighter that's been a workhorse of US fighter that's been a workhorse of US Air combat operations for decades. The Air combat operations for decades. The Air combat operations for decades. The $30 million jet, was brought down by a $30 million jet, was brought down by a $30 million jet, was brought down by a shoulder fired missile that can cost shoulder fired missile that can cost shoulder fired missile that can cost around 100,000.

around 100,000. around 100,000. Evidence of the wreckage was shared Evidence of the wreckage was shared Evidence of the wreckage was shared online by Iranian media. Defense online by Iranian media. Defense online by Iranian media. Defense Secretary Pete Hegath was woken up Secretary Pete Hegath was woken up Secretary Pete Hegath was woken up Thursday night with the news. When you Thursday night with the news. When you Thursday night with the news. When you heard that an American fighter jet was heard that an American fighter jet was heard that an American fighter jet was down behind enemy lines in Iran, what down behind enemy lines in Iran, what down behind enemy lines in Iran, what went through your mind? went through your mind? went through your mind? >> Probably >> Probably >> Probably uh you know, you always knew that was uh you know, you always knew that was uh you know, you always knew that was possible. And so immediately it's to the possible. And so immediately it's to the possible. And so immediately it's to the next steps. Are they okay? Um does Iran next steps. Are they okay? Um does Iran next steps. Are they okay? Um does Iran know that? Uh and you know, know that? Uh and you know, know that? Uh and you know, whether they're alive or not, we're whether they're alive or not, we're whether they're alive or not, we're going to go get them. That day was just going to go get them. That day was just going to go get them. That day was just another day in the war for us until another day in the war for us until another day in the war for us until the moment where we got hit by an the moment where we got hit by an the moment where we got hit by an Iranian weapon. Iranian weapon. Iranian weapon. >> This is Bravo, one of the two officers >> This is Bravo, one of the two officers >> This is Bravo, one of the two officers shot down over Iran. shot down over Iran. shot down over Iran. >> Neither has spoken publicly until now. >> Neither has spoken publicly until now. >> Neither has spoken publicly until now. >> I think the best way I've been able to >> I think the best way I've been able to >> I think the best way I've been able to describe that moment was getting hit by describe that moment was getting hit by describe that moment was getting hit by a freight train. We've agreed to call a freight train. We've agreed to call a freight train. We've agreed to call the weapon systems officer by his the weapon systems officer by his the weapon systems officer by his mission call sign bravo due to security mission call sign bravo due to security mission call sign bravo due to security threats from Iran.

threats from Iran. threats from Iran. >> We do all we can to try to save the >> We do all we can to try to save the >> We do all we can to try to save the aircraft. It was evident that that aircraft. It was evident that that aircraft. It was evident that that wasn't possible and soon thereafter we wasn't possible and soon thereafter we wasn't possible and soon thereafter we ejected and found ourselves floating ejected and found ourselves floating ejected and found ourselves floating over the heart of Iran. over the heart of Iran. over the heart of Iran. >> So within seconds you're ejecting. >> So within seconds you're ejecting. >> So within seconds you're ejecting. That's how quick the decision is. That's how quick the decision is. That's how quick the decision is. >> It is. I will be thankful to my dying >> It is. I will be thankful to my dying >> It is. I will be thankful to my dying day for my pilot and crew mate Alpha for day for my pilot and crew mate Alpha for day for my pilot and crew mate Alpha for saving our lives and ejecting us. saving our lives and ejecting us. saving our lives and ejecting us. >> After they ejected, Alpha and Bravo >> After they ejected, Alpha and Bravo >> After they ejected, Alpha and Bravo found themselves five miles apart, found themselves five miles apart, found themselves five miles apart, separated and alone on the ground in the separated and alone on the ground in the separated and alone on the ground in the rugged Iranian desert. Alpha landed rugged Iranian desert. Alpha landed rugged Iranian desert. Alpha landed safely. Bravo was lucky to be alive. My safely. Bravo was lucky to be alive. My safely. Bravo was lucky to be alive. My parachute was damaged in the the initial parachute was damaged in the the initial parachute was damaged in the the initial attack. At one point when I looked up attack. At one point when I looked up attack. At one point when I looked up and saw no parachute, and saw no parachute, and saw no parachute, that was the most it was the most terrifying thing I've it was the most terrifying thing I've ever seen.

ever seen. ever seen. So I paused right then and I prayed, So I paused right then and I prayed, So I paused right then and I prayed, "Lord, your will be done." "Lord, your will be done." "Lord, your will be done." But if I'm getting through this, I need But if I'm getting through this, I need But if I'm getting through this, I need help help help >> while you're in the air. >> while you're in the air. >> while you're in the air. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Is that like almost like free falling or >> Is that like almost like free falling or >> Is that like almost like free falling or how would you describe that? how would you describe that? how would you describe that? >> Free falling is a good way to put it. Uh >> Free falling is a good way to put it. Uh >> Free falling is a good way to put it. Uh I wasn't focused on the speed at which I I wasn't focused on the speed at which I I wasn't focused on the speed at which I was falling. I was instead focused on was falling. I was instead focused on was falling. I was instead focused on trying to correct the problems that were trying to correct the problems that were trying to correct the problems that were in front of me and doing anything I in front of me and doing anything I in front of me and doing anything I could to unfurl or pull pieces of the could to unfurl or pull pieces of the could to unfurl or pull pieces of the parachute loose. We'll never know just parachute loose. We'll never know just parachute loose. We'll never know just how fast Bravo was falling. how fast Bravo was falling. how fast Bravo was falling. >> But we do know the military trains to >> But we do know the military trains to >> But we do know the military trains to survive hard landings. survive hard landings. survive hard landings. >> So, how fast do you think you were going >> So, how fast do you think you were going >> So, how fast do you think you were going when you hit the ground? when you hit the ground? when you hit the ground? >> Professionals based on my description >> Professionals based on my description >> Professionals based on my description and the injuries that I had. The and the injuries that I had. The and the injuries that I had. The professionals think I hit the ground professionals think I hit the ground professionals think I hit the ground going somewhere between 70 and 100 miles going somewhere between 70 and 100 miles going somewhere between 70 and 100 miles an hour. an hour. an hour. >> How did you survive that? >> How did you survive that? >> How did you survive that? >> A modern-day miracle.

>> A modern-day miracle. >> A modern-day miracle. I believe that it's a testament to God's I believe that it's a testament to God's I believe that it's a testament to God's provision in my life to bring me through provision in my life to bring me through provision in my life to bring me through that moment in a way that didn't prevent that moment in a way that didn't prevent that moment in a way that didn't prevent injuries, but prevented any catastrophic injuries, but prevented any catastrophic injuries, but prevented any catastrophic injuries that would have affected my injuries that would have affected my injuries that would have affected my ability to survive. ability to survive. ability to survive. >> The fall broke Bravo's back. He also >> The fall broke Bravo's back. He also >> The fall broke Bravo's back. He also sustained a broken arm, broken shoulder, sustained a broken arm, broken shoulder, sustained a broken arm, broken shoulder, sprained ankle, and was bleeding from sprained ankle, and was bleeding from sprained ankle, and was bleeding from cuts and scrapes to his head and face. cuts and scrapes to his head and face. cuts and scrapes to his head and face. >> I had injuries, but >> I had injuries, but >> I had injuries, but We all trained to adapt and overcome the We all trained to adapt and overcome the We all trained to adapt and overcome the things that are that we're faced with. I things that are that we're faced with. I things that are that we're faced with. I moved as quickly as I could despite the moved as quickly as I could despite the moved as quickly as I could despite the injuries away from the place that I I injuries away from the place that I I injuries away from the place that I I landed. landed. landed. >> It's dark, right? And can you tell me >> It's dark, right? And can you tell me >> It's dark, right? And can you tell me what you what you see around you? what you what you see around you? what you what you see around you? >> It is dark, but much like early morning >> It is dark, but much like early morning >> It is dark, but much like early morning hunting trips, you know, the sun starts hunting trips, you know, the sun starts hunting trips, you know, the sun starts to come up and you can start to perceive to come up and you can start to perceive to come up and you can start to perceive uh elements of the environment around uh elements of the environment around uh elements of the environment around you. Iran is the size of Alaska. And in you. Iran is the size of Alaska. And in you. Iran is the size of Alaska. And in the heart of Iran where we were, there the heart of Iran where we were, there the heart of Iran where we were, there are high desert valleys, but also are high desert valleys, but also are high desert valleys, but also amazing craggly cliffs. And so I find amazing craggly cliffs. And so I find amazing craggly cliffs. And so I find myself in one of those valleys with myself in one of those valleys with myself in one of those valleys with cliffs on either side.

cliffs on either side. cliffs on either side. >> Bravo told us the safest place for him >> Bravo told us the safest place for him >> Bravo told us the safest place for him to go was up. So he quickly made the to go was up. So he quickly made the to go was up. So he quickly made the decision, despite his broken bones, to decision, despite his broken bones, to decision, despite his broken bones, to hike and climb up a 7,000 ft ridge line. hike and climb up a 7,000 ft ridge line. hike and climb up a 7,000 ft ridge line. Given your injuries, how did you find Given your injuries, how did you find Given your injuries, how did you find the strength to make it up the mountain? the strength to make it up the mountain? the strength to make it up the mountain? >> Never let a lack of motivation put you >> Never let a lack of motivation put you >> Never let a lack of motivation put you on Iranian TV. on Iranian TV. on Iranian TV. >> You were thinking that. >> You were thinking that. >> You were thinking that. >> Absolutely. >> Soon after the crash, an Iranian news >> Soon after the crash, an Iranian news anchor announced a bounty for the anchor announced a bounty for the anchor announced a bounty for the capture of the Americans. capture of the Americans. capture of the Americans. Videos emerged on the internet of armed Videos emerged on the internet of armed Videos emerged on the internet of armed groups hunting for the down crew. I can groups hunting for the down crew. I can groups hunting for the down crew. I can tell you for a fact that they were tell you for a fact that they were tell you for a fact that they were looking for me. looking for me. looking for me. >> According to US military sources, >> According to US military sources, >> According to US military sources, Iranian forces got to within a few Iranian forces got to within a few Iranian forces got to within a few hundred meters of Bravo. hundred meters of Bravo. hundred meters of Bravo. >> There was clear intent out of the >> There was clear intent out of the >> There was clear intent out of the Iranian ground force to come find those Iranian ground force to come find those Iranian ground force to come find those two guys. two guys. two guys. >> General Dan Kaine is chairman of the >> General Dan Kaine is chairman of the >> General Dan Kaine is chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and a former Joint Chiefs of Staff and a former Joint Chiefs of Staff and a former fighter pilot himself. When you think fighter pilot himself. When you think fighter pilot himself. When you think about the risk of them being potentially about the risk of them being potentially about the risk of them being potentially trotted through some place downtown in trotted through some place downtown in trotted through some place downtown in Thyron on TV, that's not a fun thing for Thyron on TV, that's not a fun thing for Thyron on TV, that's not a fun thing for anybody.

anybody. anybody. >> We were tracking Iranian forces like >> We were tracking Iranian forces like >> We were tracking Iranian forces like BB's. There were about 1,500 within a BB's. There were about 1,500 within a BB's. There were about 1,500 within a 10-mi radius, and we were watching them 10-mi radius, and we were watching them 10-mi radius, and we were watching them very closely. very closely. very closely. >> 6 hours in, the US had its eye on Alpha, >> 6 hours in, the US had its eye on Alpha, >> 6 hours in, the US had its eye on Alpha, the pilot. This is declassified video of the pilot. This is declassified video of the pilot. This is declassified video of the risky daytime raid to pick him up. the risky daytime raid to pick him up. the risky daytime raid to pick him up. Two helicopters of the 21 aircraft Two helicopters of the 21 aircraft Two helicopters of the 21 aircraft deployed. deployed. deployed. >> Videos posted on social media showed >> Videos posted on social media showed >> Videos posted on social media showed American helicopters taking fire. American helicopters taking fire. American helicopters taking fire. >> It was a gunfight all the way in, all >> It was a gunfight all the way in, all >> It was a gunfight all the way in, all the way out, but they got Alpha back. the way out, but they got Alpha back. the way out, but they got Alpha back. And then we began to immediately I mean, And then we began to immediately I mean, And then we began to immediately I mean, you're celebrating that Alpha's back, you're celebrating that Alpha's back, you're celebrating that Alpha's back, but you realize there's the job's only but you realize there's the job's only but you realize there's the job's only half done. half done. half done. >> Bravo was still missing. Alpha's rescue >> Bravo was still missing. Alpha's rescue >> Bravo was still missing. Alpha's rescue force attempted to also locate him, but force attempted to also locate him, but force attempted to also locate him, but was unsuccessful and eventually was unsuccessful and eventually was unsuccessful and eventually withdrew. withdrew. withdrew. Then, as night fell on that first day in Then, as night fell on that first day in Then, as night fell on that first day in Iran, a message from Bravo. When were Iran, a message from Bravo. When were Iran, a message from Bravo. When were you first able to send a signal? you first able to send a signal? you first able to send a signal? >> As soon as I found a spot that I felt >> As soon as I found a spot that I felt >> As soon as I found a spot that I felt provided some concealment, I started provided some concealment, I started provided some concealment, I started working on toward communication.

working on toward communication. working on toward communication. >> What did you say in that message? When I >> What did you say in that message? When I >> What did you say in that message? When I got to the moment where I could review got to the moment where I could review got to the moment where I could review and think about all that I'd gone and think about all that I'd gone and think about all that I'd gone through, through, through, I sent God is good as a recognition I sent God is good as a recognition I sent God is good as a recognition of all that he had brought me through. of all that he had brought me through. of all that he had brought me through. There was a um I'm hurt. I'm moving. And There was a um I'm hurt. I'm moving. And There was a um I'm hurt. I'm moving. And there was a God is good message uh that there was a God is good message uh that there was a God is good message uh that came in there. Now we knew he was alive. came in there. Now we knew he was alive. came in there. Now we knew he was alive. He's moving. Okay, let's keep planning. He's moving. Okay, let's keep planning. He's moving. Okay, let's keep planning. There was the thought of maybe going on There was the thought of maybe going on There was the thought of maybe going on Friday night uh first, but there just it Friday night uh first, but there just it Friday night uh first, but there just it just didn't line up. That was a really just didn't line up. That was a really just didn't line up. That was a really tough decision. I'll never forget being tough decision. I'll never forget being tough decision. I'll never forget being in the situation room and saying, "Okay, in the situation room and saying, "Okay, in the situation room and saying, "Okay, I guess we're going to roll 24," which I guess we're going to roll 24," which I guess we're going to roll 24," which means, "Hey, Bravo is going to be out means, "Hey, Bravo is going to be out means, "Hey, Bravo is going to be out there for basically 24 hours more." there for basically 24 hours more." there for basically 24 hours more." >> Bravo would have to survive with almost >> Bravo would have to survive with almost >> Bravo would have to survive with almost no water and no food in the wind and the no water and no food in the wind and the no water and no food in the wind and the cold of the high mountain desert for cold of the high mountain desert for cold of the high mountain desert for another full day. In the end, it was the another full day. In the end, it was the another full day. In the end, it was the CIA that played a pivotal role, CIA that played a pivotal role, CIA that played a pivotal role, launching a multi-pronged campaign, launching a multi-pronged campaign, launching a multi-pronged campaign, which included deception to confuse which included deception to confuse which included deception to confuse Iranian forces and top secret technology Iranian forces and top secret technology Iranian forces and top secret technology to pinpoint Bravo's exact location. To to pinpoint Bravo's exact location. To to pinpoint Bravo's exact location. To clear the way for his rescue, American clear the way for his rescue, American clear the way for his rescue, American bombers and drones hit Iran's bombers and drones hit Iran's bombers and drones hit Iran's Revolutionary Guard forces nearby, as Revolutionary Guard forces nearby, as Revolutionary Guard forces nearby, as seen in this newly declassified video.

seen in this newly declassified video. seen in this newly declassified video. Nearly 2 days after dude 44 went down, Nearly 2 days after dude 44 went down, Nearly 2 days after dude 44 went down, it was time to go in for Bravo. it was time to go in for Bravo. it was time to go in for Bravo. >> And how many special operators did that >> And how many special operators did that >> And how many special operators did that involve? involve? involve? >> That second operation had about uh 92 >> That second operation had about uh 92 >> That second operation had about uh 92 people on the ground. This would be the people on the ground. This would be the people on the ground. This would be the first US boots on the ground in 46 years first US boots on the ground in 46 years first US boots on the ground in 46 years in Iran. in Iran. in Iran. >> In Iran, we had about several hundred in >> In Iran, we had about several hundred in >> In Iran, we had about several hundred in the air and there were probably 3 to the air and there were probably 3 to the air and there were probably 3 to 5,000 supporting overall. It was an 5,000 supporting overall. It was an 5,000 supporting overall. It was an operation inside an operation. So in operation inside an operation. So in operation inside an operation. So in order to get out one, there were close order to get out one, there were close order to get out one, there were close to a hundred other service members to a hundred other service members to a hundred other service members involved in risking their lives on the involved in risking their lives on the involved in risking their lives on the ground. ground. ground. >> Or I think what you need to know is we >> Or I think what you need to know is we >> Or I think what you need to know is we would have sent more to go get the would have sent more to go get the would have sent more to go get the backseater. backseater. backseater. >> I don't know the specifics of what they >> I don't know the specifics of what they >> I don't know the specifics of what they sent, sent, sent, but I'm glad they sent it. but I'm glad they sent it. but I'm glad they sent it. >> The force came in on two large search >> The force came in on two large search >> The force came in on two large search and rescue planes and landed on a and rescue planes and landed on a and rescue planes and landed on a makeshift desert airirstrip. They then makeshift desert airirstrip. They then makeshift desert airirstrip. They then unloaded small little bird helicopters unloaded small little bird helicopters unloaded small little bird helicopters capable of reaching Bravo on the ridge capable of reaching Bravo on the ridge capable of reaching Bravo on the ridge line several miles away. This is Bravo line several miles away. This is Bravo line several miles away. This is Bravo on the Rgel line waiting to be picked on the Rgel line waiting to be picked on the Rgel line waiting to be picked up. The Pentagon declassified this video up. The Pentagon declassified this video up. The Pentagon declassified this video of the rescue. We asked General Kaine to of the rescue. We asked General Kaine to of the rescue. We asked General Kaine to take us through it.

take us through it. take us through it. >> Well, we're looking at a feed from a >> Well, we're looking at a feed from a >> Well, we're looking at a feed from a intelligence surveillance and intelligence surveillance and intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance asset. That's 44 Bravo up reconnaissance asset. That's 44 Bravo up reconnaissance asset. That's 44 Bravo up there, I'm quite sure. And we've got two there, I'm quite sure. And we've got two there, I'm quite sure. And we've got two special forces folks coming forward and special forces folks coming forward and special forces folks coming forward and it looks like they're bringing them out. it looks like they're bringing them out. it looks like they're bringing them out. >> The two service members on either side >> The two service members on either side >> The two service members on either side of Bravo were elite Air Force par rescue of Bravo were elite Air Force par rescue of Bravo were elite Air Force par rescue operators known in the military as PJs. operators known in the military as PJs. operators known in the military as PJs. >> The moment a PJ showed up uh to me on >> The moment a PJ showed up uh to me on >> The moment a PJ showed up uh to me on that RGEL line was one of the greatest that RGEL line was one of the greatest that RGEL line was one of the greatest moments of my life. And I don't know how moments of my life. And I don't know how moments of my life. And I don't know how to say it any more clearly than thank to say it any more clearly than thank to say it any more clearly than thank you for all that they did. What did your you for all that they did. What did your you for all that they did. What did your rescuer say when they got to you? The rescuer say when they got to you? The rescuer say when they got to you? The >> specific conversation. I think I'll >> specific conversation. I think I'll >> specific conversation. I think I'll leave for another time as I don't want leave for another time as I don't want leave for another time as I don't want to release anything that's not just my to release anything that's not just my to release anything that's not just my story to tell. story to tell. story to tell. >> Mhm. What did you say to them? >> Mhm. What did you say to them? >> Mhm. What did you say to them? >> Let's go. >> Let's go. >> Let's go. >> Bravo was in American hands, but not out >> Bravo was in American hands, but not out >> Bravo was in American hands, but not out of danger. Back at the makeshift of danger. Back at the makeshift of danger. Back at the makeshift airirstrip, the rescue plane's landing airirstrip, the rescue plane's landing airirstrip, the rescue plane's landing gear was stuck in the desert sand, and gear was stuck in the desert sand, and gear was stuck in the desert sand, and the planes could not take off. You had the planes could not take off. You had the planes could not take off. You had more than 90 service members on the more than 90 service members on the more than 90 service members on the ground that then needed to be rescued.

ground that then needed to be rescued. ground that then needed to be rescued. >> We had more than 90 of America's most >> We had more than 90 of America's most >> We had more than 90 of America's most elite service members on the ground. And elite service members on the ground. And elite service members on the ground. And our focus at that point was to make sure our focus at that point was to make sure our focus at that point was to make sure we got them safely out. we got them safely out. we got them safely out. >> It took a clandestine unit of the US Air >> It took a clandestine unit of the US Air >> It took a clandestine unit of the US Air Force to get Bravo and the 90 plus Force to get Bravo and the 90 plus Force to get Bravo and the 90 plus special operators out of Iran. special operators out of Iran. special operators out of Iran. The US then bombed its own marooned The US then bombed its own marooned The US then bombed its own marooned aircraft, so no technology fell into aircraft, so no technology fell into aircraft, so no technology fell into Iranian hands. Iranian hands. Iranian hands. 50 hours after being shot down, Bravo 50 hours after being shot down, Bravo 50 hours after being shot down, Bravo was safe, rescued as the sun rose on was safe, rescued as the sun rose on was safe, rescued as the sun rose on Easter Sunday. Back home in the US, his Easter Sunday. Back home in the US, his Easter Sunday. Back home in the US, his wife waited for a call. wife waited for a call. wife waited for a call. >> What was that call like? >> What was that call like? >> What was that call like? >> I was really proud of her. proud of her. and grateful for the strength that she and grateful for the strength that she and grateful for the strength that she showed. >> What do you want the American people to >> What do you want the American people to know know know about this rescue mission? about this rescue mission? about this rescue mission? >> This is not a story about what I went >> This is not a story about what I went >> This is not a story about what I went through. Instead, it's a story of the through. Instead, it's a story of the through. Instead, it's a story of the teamwork, of the training, of the faith, teamwork, of the training, of the faith, teamwork, of the training, of the faith, of the decisions, and the leadership to of the decisions, and the leadership to of the decisions, and the leadership to do something that will live in history do something that will live in history do something that will live in history as an example of what America's willing as an example of what America's willing as an example of what America's willing to do to do to do in order to uphold our promise and leave in order to uphold our promise and leave in order to uphold our promise and leave no man behind.

Presidents have been pardoning criminals Presidents have been pardoning criminals since George Washington. It's a since George Washington. It's a since George Washington. It's a constitutional power. No explanation constitutional power. No explanation constitutional power. No explanation needed. The Department of Justice does needed. The Department of Justice does needed. The Department of Justice does screen applicants and typically only screen applicants and typically only screen applicants and typically only recommends those who remorsefully seek recommends those who remorsefully seek recommends those who remorsefully seek mercy. But that's not always been the mercy. But that's not always been the mercy. But that's not always been the process. President Ford pardoned Richard process. President Ford pardoned Richard process. President Ford pardoned Richard Nixon. President Clinton, Mark Rich Nixon. President Clinton, Mark Rich Nixon. President Clinton, Mark Rich after donations. President Biden, his after donations. President Biden, his after donations. President Biden, his son Hunter, and Anthony Fouchy. son Hunter, and Anthony Fouchy. son Hunter, and Anthony Fouchy. President Trump, he's developed his own President Trump, he's developed his own President Trump, he's developed his own vetting system, pardoning political vetting system, pardoning political vetting system, pardoning political allies, including all of the January 6th allies, including all of the January 6th allies, including all of the January 6th riers, as well as a string of riers, as well as a string of riers, as well as a string of unrepentant financial conmen who argued, unrepentant financial conmen who argued, unrepentant financial conmen who argued, just like him, that they were wrongly just like him, that they were wrongly just like him, that they were wrongly prosecuted. prosecuted. prosecuted. How do these people get their grievances How do these people get their grievances How do these people get their grievances in the president's ear? Donations appear in the president's ear? Donations appear in the president's ear? Donations appear to help, and those who can pay hire to help, and those who can pay hire to help, and those who can pay hire pardon brokers, lawyers, and lobbyists pardon brokers, lawyers, and lobbyists pardon brokers, lawyers, and lobbyists who sell their ties to the president for who sell their ties to the president for who sell their ties to the president for exorbitant fees. It's a marketplace of exorbitant fees. It's a marketplace of exorbitant fees. It's a marketplace of money and mercy.

money and mercy. money and mercy. >> Ammon Cavino is seeking a pardon. Seated >> Ammon Cavino is seeking a pardon. Seated >> Ammon Cavino is seeking a pardon. Seated is his wife Crystal. And joining them at is his wife Crystal. And joining them at is his wife Crystal. And joining them at this Virginia hotel lounge are lobbyists this Virginia hotel lounge are lobbyists this Virginia hotel lounge are lobbyists Jacob Wool and Jack Burkeman who don't Jacob Wool and Jack Burkeman who don't Jacob Wool and Jack Burkeman who don't know they're being recorded as they know they're being recorded as they know they're being recorded as they pitch their services as pardon brokers. pitch their services as pardon brokers. pitch their services as pardon brokers. >> Look, you you can't you can't just >> Look, you you can't you can't just >> Look, you you can't you can't just submit a pardon application. It doesn't submit a pardon application. It doesn't submit a pardon application. It doesn't it doesn't work that way. it doesn't work that way. it doesn't work that way. >> Ammon is a felon. His >> Ammon is a felon. His >> Ammon is a felon. His >> whole body tensed at once. >> whole body tensed at once. >> whole body tensed at once. >> The Cavinos run several zoos and >> The Cavinos run several zoos and >> The Cavinos run several zoos and aquariums. A decade ago, he was aquariums. A decade ago, he was aquariums. A decade ago, he was convicted of illegal wildlife convicted of illegal wildlife convicted of illegal wildlife trafficking and served 23 months in trafficking and served 23 months in trafficking and served 23 months in prison. He applied for a pardon, taking prison. He applied for a pardon, taking prison. He applied for a pardon, taking the regular route through the Justice the regular route through the Justice the regular route through the Justice Department. Department. Department. >> We just filled out the form. >> We just filled out the form. >> We just filled out the form. >> It's a three-page form. >> It's a three-page form. >> It's a three-page form. >> And what happened? >> And what happened? >> And what happened? >> When the pardons came out, we were on >> When the pardons came out, we were on >> When the pardons came out, we were on the list of rejections. the list of rejections. the list of rejections. >> So, we asked him to try again the new >> So, we asked him to try again the new >> So, we asked him to try again the new way. way. way. >> Why? We had wanted to interview brokers >> Why? We had wanted to interview brokers >> Why? We had wanted to interview brokers who promise pardon seekers they can who promise pardon seekers they can who promise pardon seekers they can circumvent the justice department for a circumvent the justice department for a circumvent the justice department for a hefty fee. What they do is not illegal, hefty fee. What they do is not illegal, hefty fee. What they do is not illegal, yet none would talk to us. So he asked yet none would talk to us. So he asked yet none would talk to us. So he asked Ammon to engage with these access Ammon to engage with these access Ammon to engage with these access merchants as if he's reapplying for a merchants as if he's reapplying for a merchants as if he's reapplying for a pardon and let our cameras follow him.

pardon and let our cameras follow him. pardon and let our cameras follow him. First, he emailed a dozen of these First, he emailed a dozen of these First, he emailed a dozen of these brokers. brokers. brokers. How fast did they get back to you? Some How fast did they get back to you? Some How fast did they get back to you? Some got right away and some within a day. got right away and some within a day. got right away and some within a day. Right away. Yes. Exclamation point. Right away. Yes. Exclamation point. Right away. Yes. Exclamation point. Exclamation point. We're the people that Exclamation point. We're the people that Exclamation point. We're the people that can help you do that. I kept saying, can help you do that. I kept saying, can help you do that. I kept saying, "This feels illegal." I I get on my AI "This feels illegal." I I get on my AI "This feels illegal." I I get on my AI and say, "Is this illegal?" "No, this is and say, "Is this illegal?" "No, this is and say, "Is this illegal?" "No, this is how it's done." how it's done." how it's done." >> But thanks for taking my call. >> But thanks for taking my call. >> But thanks for taking my call. >> Looking at our case, you think? >> Looking at our case, you think? >> Looking at our case, you think? >> In a series of phone calls, one broker >> In a series of phone calls, one broker >> In a series of phone calls, one broker after another bragged about their close after another bragged about their close after another bragged about their close relationships to President Trump's inner relationships to President Trump's inner relationships to President Trump's inner circle. circle. circle. >> Okay, thanks guys. We are about to >> Okay, thanks guys. We are about to >> Okay, thanks guys. We are about to >> This duo replied to Ammon's email within >> This duo replied to Ammon's email within >> This duo replied to Ammon's email within seven minutes. seven minutes. seven minutes. >> Say, "We encourage everyone to act with >> Say, "We encourage everyone to act with >> Say, "We encourage everyone to act with the highest professionalism." the highest professionalism." the highest professionalism." >> Jack Burkeman and Jacob Wool are Trump >> Jack Burkeman and Jacob Wool are Trump >> Jack Burkeman and Jacob Wool are Trump loyalists with a long resume of loyalists with a long resume of loyalists with a long resume of political stunts. political stunts. political stunts. >> Who's Who's next? >> Who's Who's next? >> Who's Who's next? >> Who's next? We got that one. >> Who's next? We got that one. >> Who's next? We got that one. >> Their robocall scheme to suppress black >> Their robocall scheme to suppress black >> Their robocall scheme to suppress black voting in 2020 led to a criminal voting in 2020 led to a criminal voting in 2020 led to a criminal conviction. Now in the pardons game, conviction. Now in the pardons game, conviction. Now in the pardons game, they claim they got one for this owner they claim they got one for this owner they claim they got one for this owner of a nursing home chain. convicted of of a nursing home chain. convicted of of a nursing home chain. convicted of massive tax fraud. He paid them nearly a massive tax fraud. He paid them nearly a massive tax fraud. He paid them nearly a million dollars for their promise to million dollars for their promise to million dollars for their promise to reach the president. We found that some reach the president. We found that some reach the president. We found that some brokers charge as much as $3 million.

brokers charge as much as $3 million. brokers charge as much as $3 million. So, we decided to use hidden cameras and So, we decided to use hidden cameras and So, we decided to use hidden cameras and sent the cavinos to meet Burkeman and sent the cavinos to meet Burkeman and sent the cavinos to meet Burkeman and Mole. Mole. Mole. >> I don't think your pardon I don't think >> I don't think your pardon I don't think >> I don't think your pardon I don't think it'll be too difficult. it'll be too difficult. it'll be too difficult. >> They said they would put Ammon's pardon >> They said they would put Ammon's pardon >> They said they would put Ammon's pardon plea in the hands of the president and plea in the hands of the president and plea in the hands of the president and push push push >> with this particular White House. You >> with this particular White House. You >> with this particular White House. You have to put pressure on the president have to put pressure on the president have to put pressure on the president from all directions in a consistent way from all directions in a consistent way from all directions in a consistent way to force his hand. We literally want to to force his hand. We literally want to to force his hand. We literally want to put the pen in his hand and get him to put the pen in his hand and get him to put the pen in his hand and get him to sign it because he's tired of hearing sign it because he's tired of hearing sign it because he's tired of hearing about it. about it. about it. >> So when you went the regular route, how >> So when you went the regular route, how >> So when you went the regular route, how much did it cost you? much did it cost you? much did it cost you? >> A postage stamp. >> A postage stamp. >> A postage stamp. >> Postage stamp. That's it. And this would >> Postage stamp. That's it. And this would >> Postage stamp. That's it. And this would cost you $300,000. cost you $300,000. cost you $300,000. >> What? What did you say? >> What? What did you say? >> What? What did you say? >> I said, "What's it for?" And they said, >> I said, "What's it for?" And they said, >> I said, "What's it for?" And they said, "Well, we have to buy tickets. We have "Well, we have to buy tickets. We have "Well, we have to buy tickets. We have to go to Marila Lago. We have to attend to go to Marila Lago. We have to attend to go to Marila Lago. We have to attend events that the president's at. We have events that the president's at. We have events that the president's at. We have to possibly buy a $10,000 ticket to a to possibly buy a $10,000 ticket to a to possibly buy a $10,000 ticket to a fundraiser that the president is fundraiser that the president is fundraiser that the president is attending. attending. attending. >> They said we have to hire contractors to >> They said we have to hire contractors to >> They said we have to hire contractors to do certain things. Well, do certain things. Well, do certain things. Well, >> influencers.

>> influencers. >> influencers. >> Influencers that know other people that >> Influencers that know other people that >> Influencers that know other people that can put us in the vicinity of the people can put us in the vicinity of the people can put us in the vicinity of the people that can make a difference. that can make a difference. that can make a difference. >> What we do is we mobilize members of >> What we do is we mobilize members of >> What we do is we mobilize members of Congress to call here. We use certain Congress to call here. We use certain Congress to call here. We use certain influencers who have regular meetings to influencers who have regular meetings to influencers who have regular meetings to call him and we put him in a pinser call him and we put him in a pinser call him and we put him in a pinser movement. movement. movement. >> Burkeman and Wool made a similar pitch >> Burkeman and Wool made a similar pitch >> Burkeman and Wool made a similar pitch to Boozy Badass, to Boozy Badass, to Boozy Badass, >> a rapper with a lengthy criminal record >> a rapper with a lengthy criminal record >> a rapper with a lengthy criminal record after he was convicted on a gun charge. after he was convicted on a gun charge. after he was convicted on a gun charge. >> This is what I was led to believe. If >> This is what I was led to believe. If >> This is what I was led to believe. If you come with this money, you will get a you come with this money, you will get a you come with this money, you will get a pardon. pardon. pardon. >> How much did you give them up front? >> How much did you give them up front? >> How much did you give them up front? >> 600K. >> 600K. >> 600K. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, >> we have some texts that they sent to >> we have some texts that they sent to >> we have some texts that they sent to your lawyer. your lawyer. your lawyer. >> This text listed the influential people >> This text listed the influential people >> This text listed the influential people they supposedly recruited. they supposedly recruited. they supposedly recruited. >> Laura Loomer, Erica Kirk, Mike Johnson, >> Laura Loomer, Erica Kirk, Mike Johnson, >> Laura Loomer, Erica Kirk, Mike Johnson, he's the speaker of the house. Another he's the speaker of the house. Another he's the speaker of the house. Another text, the broker mentions Natalie Harp.

text, the broker mentions Natalie Harp. text, the broker mentions Natalie Harp. She's the executive assistant that's She's the executive assistant that's She's the executive assistant that's very close to the president and suggests very close to the president and suggests very close to the president and suggests that she's going to personally hand your that she's going to personally hand your that she's going to personally hand your application to the president. application to the president. application to the president. >> Yeah. Yeah. I just thought I mean this >> Yeah. Yeah. I just thought I mean this >> Yeah. Yeah. I just thought I mean this is the way it's done. I'm paying these is the way it's done. I'm paying these is the way it's done. I'm paying these guys, you know, and they going to make guys, you know, and they going to make guys, you know, and they going to make it happen. it happen. it happen. >> They didn't make it happen. Boozy didn't >> They didn't make it happen. Boozy didn't >> They didn't make it happen. Boozy didn't get his pardon. As for the four people get his pardon. As for the four people get his pardon. As for the four people they claimed to know, they denied any they claimed to know, they denied any they claimed to know, they denied any involvement in the case. Boozy's involvement in the case. Boozy's involvement in the case. Boozy's contract with the broker stipulated that contract with the broker stipulated that contract with the broker stipulated that if he wasn't pardoned he'd get half his if he wasn't pardoned he'd get half his if he wasn't pardoned he'd get half his money back but they won't pay claiming money back but they won't pay claiming money back but they won't pay claiming the contract is invalid and denying they the contract is invalid and denying they the contract is invalid and denying they sent the text. The rapper is suing. sent the text. The rapper is suing. sent the text. The rapper is suing. >> I said just return it. You didn't get my >> I said just return it. You didn't get my >> I said just return it. You didn't get my pardon. It's all it's a bunch of BS. And pardon. It's all it's a bunch of BS. And pardon. It's all it's a bunch of BS. And they were so cocky. There's definitely a they were so cocky. There's definitely a they were so cocky. There's definitely a lot of money flowing around and that lot of money flowing around and that lot of money flowing around and that makes a uh petri dish for corruption. makes a uh petri dish for corruption. makes a uh petri dish for corruption. >> Law professor Mark Oler of the >> Law professor Mark Oler of the >> Law professor Mark Oler of the University of St. Thomas in Minnesota University of St. Thomas in Minnesota University of St. Thomas in Minnesota has spent the past 15 years helping has spent the past 15 years helping has spent the past 15 years helping indigent felons apply for pardons. Now indigent felons apply for pardons. Now indigent felons apply for pardons. Now he says they're locked out of the he says they're locked out of the he says they're locked out of the system. People think, well, if I can get system. People think, well, if I can get system. People think, well, if I can get to this person who can find the to this person who can find the to this person who can find the president of Mara Lago, if I can pay a president of Mara Lago, if I can pay a president of Mara Lago, if I can pay a million dollars to this friend of a million dollars to this friend of a million dollars to this friend of a White House council, then I will have a White House council, then I will have a White House council, then I will have a shot. And that is not a system. That's shot. And that is not a system. That's shot. And that is not a system. That's something different entirely. It's something different entirely. It's something different entirely. It's anarchy.

anarchy. anarchy. >> In the new system, no expression of >> In the new system, no expression of >> In the new system, no expression of remorse that you know of. remorse that you know of. remorse that you know of. >> Well, in fact, what seems to have been a >> Well, in fact, what seems to have been a >> Well, in fact, what seems to have been a winning tactic for some people is winning tactic for some people is winning tactic for some people is exactly the opposite. saying the people exactly the opposite. saying the people exactly the opposite. saying the people who were wrong were the people who who were wrong were the people who who were wrong were the people who accused me that I have been a a victim accused me that I have been a a victim accused me that I have been a a victim of a weaponized uh Department of of a weaponized uh Department of of a weaponized uh Department of Justice. Justice. Justice. >> This is a vicious group of people that >> This is a vicious group of people that >> This is a vicious group of people that were in this office before us. were in this office before us. were in this office before us. >> Burkeman and Wool told the Cavinos to >> Burkeman and Wool told the Cavinos to >> Burkeman and Wool told the Cavinos to tap into the president's grievances and tap into the president's grievances and tap into the president's grievances and say that Ammon was a victim of a say that Ammon was a victim of a say that Ammon was a victim of a weaponized prosecution. weaponized prosecution. weaponized prosecution. >> It's a question of reminding the >> It's a question of reminding the >> It's a question of reminding the president this is an Obama prosecution president this is an Obama prosecution president this is an Obama prosecution that never should have happened. He told that never should have happened. He told that never should have happened. He told them this White House vets cases them this White House vets cases them this White House vets cases differently. differently. differently. >> So like Trump makes his own decisions. >> So like Trump makes his own decisions. >> So like Trump makes his own decisions. He relies very little on DOJ. So with He relies very little on DOJ. So with He relies very little on DOJ. So with Trump, DOJ is Trump, DOJ is Trump, DOJ is >> it's an afterthought. >> it's an afterthought. >> it's an afterthought. >> Until 9 days ago, Ed Martin, a Trump >> Until 9 days ago, Ed Martin, a Trump >> Until 9 days ago, Ed Martin, a Trump appointee, ran the pardon office at DOJ, appointee, ran the pardon office at DOJ, appointee, ran the pardon office at DOJ, where 16,000 applications are awaiting a where 16,000 applications are awaiting a where 16,000 applications are awaiting a decision. People pay $300,000, decision. People pay $300,000, decision. People pay $300,000, a million dollars, $3 million to these a million dollars, $3 million to these a million dollars, $3 million to these brokers to get the application before brokers to get the application before brokers to get the application before the president. Meanwhile, all these the president. Meanwhile, all these the president. Meanwhile, all these other people that you look at at the other people that you look at at the other people that you look at at the Department of Justice, they are not Department of Justice, they are not Department of Justice, they are not getting their pardons.

getting their pardons. getting their pardons. >> And is that a fair system? >> And is that a fair system? >> And is that a fair system? >> I've not seen I I reject your >> I've not seen I I reject your >> I've not seen I I reject your characterization of the system. I've not characterization of the system. I've not characterization of the system. I've not seen it. I've not heard it. And I sat seen it. I've not heard it. And I sat seen it. I've not heard it. And I sat with a thousand people over in the last with a thousand people over in the last with a thousand people over in the last year in my office and I listened to them year in my office and I listened to them year in my office and I listened to them tell and some of them were ended up with tell and some of them were ended up with tell and some of them were ended up with clemency, some of them were pardoned. clemency, some of them were pardoned. clemency, some of them were pardoned. >> We checked about 70% of President >> We checked about 70% of President >> We checked about 70% of President Trump's clemencies in his second term Trump's clemencies in his second term Trump's clemencies in his second term have not gone through DOJ. If you have not gone through DOJ. If you have not gone through DOJ. If you include the January 6th riers, that goes include the January 6th riers, that goes include the January 6th riers, that goes up to 92%. up to 92%. up to 92%. And we notice that some pardons came And we notice that some pardons came And we notice that some pardons came after welltimed donations or a business after welltimed donations or a business after welltimed donations or a business deal. Take for example this businessman deal. Take for example this businessman deal. Take for example this businessman who was sent to prison for fraud. He who was sent to prison for fraud. He who was sent to prison for fraud. He conned investors with this video of the conned investors with this video of the conned investors with this video of the first zero emission truck driving along. first zero emission truck driving along. first zero emission truck driving along. It was actually a fake rolling down a It was actually a fake rolling down a It was actually a fake rolling down a hill. After he and his wife donated hill. After he and his wife donated hill. After he and his wife donated almost $2 million to support Trump's almost $2 million to support Trump's almost $2 million to support Trump's reelection, he was pardoned. reelection, he was pardoned. reelection, he was pardoned. This CEO failed to prevent money This CEO failed to prevent money This CEO failed to prevent money laundering on his crypto exchange. He laundering on his crypto exchange. He laundering on his crypto exchange. He was pardoned after his company Binance was pardoned after his company Binance was pardoned after his company Binance boosted a Trump family crypto venture, boosted a Trump family crypto venture, boosted a Trump family crypto venture, though both sides deny any connection to though both sides deny any connection to though both sides deny any connection to the pardon. And this healthc care the pardon. And this healthc care the pardon. And this healthc care executive convicted of tax crimes was executive convicted of tax crimes was executive convicted of tax crimes was pardoned after his mother paid a million pardoned after his mother paid a million pardoned after his mother paid a million dollars to attend a Mara Lago dollars to attend a Mara Lago dollars to attend a Mara Lago fundraiser. a pardon seeker going to fundraiser. a pardon seeker going to fundraiser. a pardon seeker going to Mara Lago and joining an a fundraising

Mara Lago and joining an a fundraising Mara Lago and joining an a fundraising event where you had to pay money and event where you had to pay money and event where you had to pay money and then getting a pardon. Why isn't that a then getting a pardon. Why isn't that a then getting a pardon. Why isn't that a quidd proquo? Why isn't that paytoplay? quidd proquo? Why isn't that paytoplay? quidd proquo? Why isn't that paytoplay? >> I I don't know about those examples, but >> I I don't know about those examples, but >> I I don't know about those examples, but I would just say the prerogative again, I would just say the prerogative again, I would just say the prerogative again, the presidential prerogative, the it's the presidential prerogative, the it's the presidential prerogative, the it's in the constitution. It's complete. It's in the constitution. It's complete. It's in the constitution. It's complete. It's plenary. When people say there's plenary. When people say there's plenary. When people say there's brokers, there's quid pro code. I've brokers, there's quid pro code. I've brokers, there's quid pro code. I've never seen it. I haven't seen it. I never seen it. I haven't seen it. I never seen it. I haven't seen it. I haven't heard it. Ed. haven't heard it. Ed. haven't heard it. Ed. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The point is they're going around you. >> The point is they're going around you. >> The point is they're going around you. >> Well, I I >> Well, I I >> Well, I I >> And the whole point they're bragging >> And the whole point they're bragging >> And the whole point they're bragging about going around you. about going around you. about going around you. >> I I just don't I don't see any evidence >> I I just don't I don't see any evidence >> I I just don't I don't see any evidence of some magical brokers. I think people of some magical brokers. I think people of some magical brokers. I think people are trying to make money. are trying to make money. are trying to make money. >> So, are you saying that these brokers, >> So, are you saying that these brokers, >> So, are you saying that these brokers, they're conmen? they're conmen? they're conmen? >> They're snake oil salesmen. They're >> They're snake oil salesmen. They're >> They're snake oil salesmen. They're swamp salesmen. What do you want? What swamp salesmen. What do you want? What swamp salesmen. What do you want? What word do you want? word do you want? word do you want? >> We want to do this. I think we can help >> We want to do this. I think we can help >> We want to do this. I think we can help you. After we notified Jack Burkeman and you. After we notified Jack Burkeman and you. After we notified Jack Burkeman and Jacob Wool of our hidden camera Jacob Wool of our hidden camera Jacob Wool of our hidden camera operation, operation, operation, >> a sting operation client, a fake client, >> a sting operation client, a fake client, >> a sting operation client, a fake client, >> a sting run by you, right? >> a sting run by you, right? >> a sting run by you, right? >> They agreed to sit down with us to >> They agreed to sit down with us to >> They agreed to sit down with us to discuss the new pardon economy.

discuss the new pardon economy. discuss the new pardon economy. >> There's nothing corrupt about it. >> There's nothing corrupt about it. >> There's nothing corrupt about it. There's nothing improper about it. There's nothing improper about it. There's nothing improper about it. >> It seems that you have to have money to >> It seems that you have to have money to >> It seems that you have to have money to get a pardon these days. get a pardon these days. get a pardon these days. >> We don't work for free anymore than you >> We don't work for free anymore than you >> We don't work for free anymore than you do, right? You're well paid for what you do, right? You're well paid for what you do, right? You're well paid for what you do. We're well paid for what I do. do. We're well paid for what I do. do. We're well paid for what I do. Navigating Washington, as you well know, Navigating Washington, as you well know, Navigating Washington, as you well know, is not an easy thing. The average is not an easy thing. The average is not an easy thing. The average person, the average rich person, they person, the average rich person, they person, the average rich person, they need help doing that. How will the need help doing that. How will the need help doing that. How will the president become aware of these cases president become aware of these cases president become aware of these cases unless unless unless >> So the normal way that presidents have >> So the normal way that presidents have >> So the normal way that presidents have done it for a hundred years only? done it for a hundred years only? done it for a hundred years only? >> Lobbyists have been hired for two >> Lobbyists have been hired for two >> Lobbyists have been hired for two centuries to do just that. centuries to do just that. centuries to do just that. >> People have gone through a system. >> People have gone through a system. >> People have gone through a system. >> Do you think there weren't lobbyists >> Do you think there weren't lobbyists >> Do you think there weren't lobbyists working on pardons in the Obama working on pardons in the Obama working on pardons in the Obama administration or the Biden administration or the Biden administration or the Biden administration? There have always been administration? There have always been administration? There have always been lawyers who are willing to prepare a lawyers who are willing to prepare a lawyers who are willing to prepare a clemency petition um often for a couple clemency petition um often for a couple clemency petition um often for a couple thousand dollars. You know what's thousand dollars. You know what's thousand dollars. You know what's changed is the amount of money that that changed is the amount of money that that changed is the amount of money that that people are charging. people are charging. people are charging. >> Professor Osler hopes the pardon system >> Professor Osler hopes the pardon system >> Professor Osler hopes the pardon system isn't beyond repair. We have learned isn't beyond repair. We have learned isn't beyond repair. We have learned that the White House has become that the White House has become that the White House has become sensitive to the perception that the sensitive to the perception that the sensitive to the perception that the president is selling pardons. president is selling pardons. president is selling pardons. >> If you go that route, it's >> If you go that route, it's >> If you go that route, it's >> all the brokers warned the cavinos to >> all the brokers warned the cavinos to >> all the brokers warned the cavinos to avoid donating. You can't blame people avoid donating. You can't blame people avoid donating. You can't blame people who want to get out of prison for doing who want to get out of prison for doing who want to get out of prison for doing what they're told works, what they're told works, what they're told works, >> but I can blame the people who are >> but I can blame the people who are >> but I can blame the people who are making that the system.

making that the system. making that the system. >> So, it's the brokers >> So, it's the brokers >> So, it's the brokers and the lobbyists and the lawyers in and the lobbyists and the lawyers in and the lobbyists and the lawyers in this game. this game. this game. >> It's really in the end, it falls on the >> It's really in the end, it falls on the >> It's really in the end, it falls on the administration. administration. administration. >> Look at that bite. >> Look at that bite. >> Look at that bite. >> The Cavinos told us the pardon economy >> The Cavinos told us the pardon economy >> The Cavinos told us the pardon economy feels like cheating. It feels unfair. feels like cheating. It feels unfair. feels like cheating. It feels unfair. >> Feels unfair. >> Feels unfair. >> Feels unfair. >> Let's say the money was not an issue for >> Let's say the money was not an issue for >> Let's say the money was not an issue for you, that $300,000 was just fine. Would you, that $300,000 was just fine. Would you, that $300,000 was just fine. Would you do it? you do it? you do it? >> Yes. I don't like the fact that you have >> Yes. I don't like the fact that you have >> Yes. I don't like the fact that you have to pay for such an huge amount of money to pay for such an huge amount of money to pay for such an huge amount of money because of who you know. But if it's because of who you know. But if it's because of who you know. But if it's that's how the games play, then that's that's how the games play, then that's that's how the games play, then that's how the game's played. how the game's played. how the game's played. The White House told us, quote, "Anyone The White House told us, quote, "Anyone The White House told us, quote, "Anyone spending money to lobby for pardons is spending money to lobby for pardons is spending money to lobby for pardons is foolishly wasting their money, adding foolishly wasting their money, adding foolishly wasting their money, adding quote, President Trump performs his quote, President Trump performs his quote, President Trump performs his constitutional duties in an ethically constitutional duties in an ethically constitutional duties in an ethically sound manner, and to suggest so sound manner, and to suggest so sound manner, and to suggest so otherwise is either ill-informed or otherwise is either ill-informed or otherwise is either ill-informed or malicious.

The next Super Bowl will be held in Los The next Super Bowl will be held in Los Angeles. And while it's still early days Angeles. And while it's still early days Angeles. And while it's still early days this season, the odds aren't half bad this season, the odds aren't half bad this season, the odds aren't half bad that for one team, the big game will be that for one team, the big game will be that for one team, the big game will be a home game. The Rams are a maybe the a home game. The Rams are a maybe the a home game. The Rams are a maybe the premier NFL franchise. Blue chip gold premier NFL franchise. Blue chip gold premier NFL franchise. Blue chip gold standard. This preseason, we were standard. This preseason, we were standard. This preseason, we were invited inside their huddle, so to invited inside their huddle, so to invited inside their huddle, so to speak. We found an organization that speak. We found an organization that speak. We found an organization that wins with contradictions. Prudence and wins with contradictions. Prudence and wins with contradictions. Prudence and gunslinging, change and continuity. gunslinging, change and continuity. gunslinging, change and continuity. Braun, yes, but also brain. And the Rams Braun, yes, but also brain. And the Rams Braun, yes, but also brain. And the Rams are wound tightly on the team's tightly are wound tightly on the team's tightly are wound tightly on the team's tightly wound leader, Shawn McVey. In the decade wound leader, Shawn McVey. In the decade wound leader, Shawn McVey. In the decade since the Rams made McVey the youngest since the Rams made McVey the youngest since the Rams made McVey the youngest head coach in NFL history, he's become a head coach in NFL history, he's become a head coach in NFL history, he's become a generational talent, pacing toward the generational talent, pacing toward the generational talent, pacing toward the best ever, Lombardi, Schula, Bellichic. best ever, Lombardi, Schula, Bellichic. best ever, Lombardi, Schula, Bellichic. But that push comes at a price. But that push comes at a price. But that push comes at a price. >> Oh, I'm a lot tormented. >> Oh, I'm a lot tormented. >> Oh, I'm a lot tormented. >> You're a lot tormented. What's what's >> You're a lot tormented. What's what's >> You're a lot tormented. What's what's tormenting you uh right now? tormenting you uh right now? tormenting you uh right now? >> Uh the practice that we just had. That's >> Uh the practice that we just had. That's >> Uh the practice that we just had. That's why I'm in such a great mood. why I'm in such a great mood. why I'm in such a great mood. >> That practice a month before the NFL >> That practice a month before the NFL >> That practice a month before the NFL season seemed typical to us, but Rams season seemed typical to us, but Rams season seemed typical to us, but Rams coach Shawn McVey was dissatisfied in coach Shawn McVey was dissatisfied in coach Shawn McVey was dissatisfied in the extreme.

the extreme. the extreme. >> It's why honestly I'm not really here >> It's why honestly I'm not really here >> It's why honestly I'm not really here right now. right now. right now. >> You say you're not really here right >> You say you're not really here right >> You say you're not really here right now. now. now. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Your mind is still on that practice. >> Your mind is still on that practice. >> Your mind is still on that practice. >> Totally. Yeah. I feel rude right now >> Totally. Yeah. I feel rude right now >> Totally. Yeah. I feel rude right now with you. You deserve more attention with you. You deserve more attention with you. You deserve more attention than what I'm capable of giving right than what I'm capable of giving right than what I'm capable of giving right now. And I feel bad about that. now. And I feel bad about that. now. And I feel bad about that. >> No apologies necessary. This was an >> No apologies necessary. This was an >> No apologies necessary. This was an unvarnished look into a team, bad unvarnished look into a team, bad unvarnished look into a team, bad practices happen, and into the mind of a practices happen, and into the mind of a practices happen, and into the mind of a football genius, tortured as he is, football genius, tortured as he is, football genius, tortured as he is, especially when confronting lofty especially when confronting lofty especially when confronting lofty expectations. The Rams built a super expectations. The Rams built a super expectations. The Rams built a super team studded with talent. Quarterback team studded with talent. Quarterback team studded with talent. Quarterback Matthew Stafford, the NFL's reigning Matthew Stafford, the NFL's reigning Matthew Stafford, the NFL's reigning MVP, leads the offense. The Rams traded MVP, leads the offense. The Rams traded MVP, leads the offense. The Rams traded for Miles Garrett, the league's best for Miles Garrett, the league's best for Miles Garrett, the league's best defender, to anchor the other side. hit defender, to anchor the other side. hit defender, to anchor the other side. hit >> and Aaron Donald, perhaps the best >> and Aaron Donald, perhaps the best >> and Aaron Donald, perhaps the best defensive lineman ever, just came out of defensive lineman ever, just came out of defensive lineman ever, just came out of retirement to rejoin the team. retirement to rejoin the team. retirement to rejoin the team. >> We are wired to achieve and and let's >> We are wired to achieve and and let's >> We are wired to achieve and and let's make no mistake about it. When we take make no mistake about it. When we take make no mistake about it. When we take the field, the expectations are to win. the field, the expectations are to win. the field, the expectations are to win. >> Yeah. Let's be honest, this super team >> Yeah. Let's be honest, this super team >> Yeah. Let's be honest, this super team wins Super Bowl or oh, this roster wins Super Bowl or oh, this roster wins Super Bowl or oh, this roster couldn't get it done. You're okay with couldn't get it done. You're okay with couldn't get it done. You're okay with the range of outcome here. the range of outcome here. the range of outcome here. >> Oh, yeah. Because I don't buy into those >> Oh, yeah. Because I don't buy into those >> Oh, yeah. Because I don't buy into those external narratives. I'm more interested external narratives. I'm more interested external narratives. I'm more interested in who we become in the midst of the in who we become in the midst of the in who we become in the midst of the journey than what the final destination journey than what the final destination journey than what the final destination is.

is. is. This was not the talk a decade ago when This was not the talk a decade ago when This was not the talk a decade ago when the lowly Rams were leaving St. Louis the lowly Rams were leaving St. Louis the lowly Rams were leaving St. Louis and returning to their ancestral home of and returning to their ancestral home of and returning to their ancestral home of LA. LA. LA. >> I'm taking on water as a GM. We hadn't >> I'm taking on water as a GM. We hadn't >> I'm taking on water as a GM. We hadn't had a winning season. had a winning season. had a winning season. >> It was 2016. Less Rams general manager >> It was 2016. Less Rams general manager >> It was 2016. Less Rams general manager needed a win. needed a win. needed a win. >> The Rams will drop to 4 and N will >> The Rams will drop to 4 and N will >> The Rams will drop to 4 and N will finish below 500 for the 10th finish below 500 for the 10th finish below 500 for the 10th consecutive season. Sne's job was on the consecutive season. Sne's job was on the consecutive season. Sne's job was on the line, but backed by ownership, the Rams line, but backed by ownership, the Rams line, but backed by ownership, the Rams gambled big on an unproven commodity. gambled big on an unproven commodity. gambled big on an unproven commodity. >> The 30-year-old dude wet behind the ears >> The 30-year-old dude wet behind the ears >> The 30-year-old dude wet behind the ears gets this opportunity. Um, I I just gets this opportunity. Um, I I just gets this opportunity. Um, I I just think that it's something that seems a think that it's something that seems a think that it's something that seems a bit stretched to say the least. bit stretched to say the least. bit stretched to say the least. >> They made McVey the youngest head coach >> They made McVey the youngest head coach >> They made McVey the youngest head coach in NFL history. in NFL history. in NFL history. >> This guy changes the math. >> This guy changes the math. >> This guy changes the math. >> What do you mean? >> What do you mean? >> What do you mean? >> Tactically, when he's in flow, it's like >> Tactically, when he's in flow, it's like >> Tactically, when he's in flow, it's like some It's like you're trying to defend some It's like you're trying to defend some It's like you're trying to defend 12 instead of 11. 12 instead of 11. 12 instead of 11. >> Wait, wait. You're you're saying the >> Wait, wait. You're you're saying the >> Wait, wait. You're you're saying the coach gives you an extra guy on the coach gives you an extra guy on the coach gives you an extra guy on the field, field, field, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> Soon the math that was changing was on >> Soon the math that was changing was on >> Soon the math that was changing was on the Rams side of the scoreboard. the Rams side of the scoreboard. the Rams side of the scoreboard. >> HE IS GONE. TOUCHDOWN RAMS. Cherry >> HE IS GONE. TOUCHDOWN RAMS. Cherry >> HE IS GONE. TOUCHDOWN RAMS. Cherry Watkins. TOUCHDOWN RAMS. LOOK SPINS INTO Watkins. TOUCHDOWN RAMS. LOOK SPINS INTO Watkins. TOUCHDOWN RAMS. LOOK SPINS INTO THE END ZONE. TOUCHDOWN RAMS.

THE END ZONE. TOUCHDOWN RAMS. THE END ZONE. TOUCHDOWN RAMS. >> In his first season, McVey took the Rams >> In his first season, McVey took the Rams >> In his first season, McVey took the Rams to the playoffs and won coach of the to the playoffs and won coach of the to the playoffs and won coach of the year. Rams offensive coordinator Nate year. Rams offensive coordinator Nate year. Rams offensive coordinator Nate Shieldhouse says McVeyy's play calling Shieldhouse says McVeyy's play calling Shieldhouse says McVeyy's play calling prowess stems from his power of recall. prowess stems from his power of recall. prowess stems from his power of recall. Yeah, I think his memory um you know at Yeah, I think his memory um you know at Yeah, I think his memory um you know at some point they'll probably end up some point they'll probably end up some point they'll probably end up studying it. studying it. studying it. >> This is Shawn McVeyy's time in >> This is Shawn McVeyy's time in >> This is Shawn McVeyy's time in Washington. Washington. Washington. >> Examples abound. >> Examples abound. >> Examples abound. >> 58 seconds left in the fourth quarter. >> 58 seconds left in the fourth quarter. >> 58 seconds left in the fourth quarter. >> Jameson Crowder wheel route down the >> Jameson Crowder wheel route down the >> Jameson Crowder wheel route down the right sideline. right sideline. right sideline. >> And then how did that drive end? >> And then how did that drive end? >> And then how did that drive end? >> Jordan Reed touchdown in a 4x1 >> Jordan Reed touchdown in a 4x1 >> Jordan Reed touchdown in a 4x1 individual ISO slant. individual ISO slant. individual ISO slant. >> He's good. He's real good. >> He's good. He's real good. >> He's good. He's real good. >> What was the play call for Puka's first >> What was the play call for Puka's first >> What was the play call for Puka's first career reception? It was Y motus south career reception? It was Y motus south career reception? It was Y motus south left clamp jacks right Y corors palm. left clamp jacks right Y corors palm. left clamp jacks right Y corors palm. It's a nice little curl route. It's not It's a nice little curl route. It's not It's a nice little curl route. It's not just a neat party trick. just a neat party trick. just a neat party trick. >> I always feel like if you're remembering >> I always feel like if you're remembering >> I always feel like if you're remembering you're moving faster than somebody you're moving faster than somebody you're moving faster than somebody that's learning. that's learning. that's learning. >> He's remembering it practic like >> He's remembering it practic like >> He's remembering it practic like pragmatically. pragmatically. pragmatically. >> That's right. You know, not only >> That's right. You know, not only >> That's right. You know, not only remember um but to be able to fix remember um but to be able to fix remember um but to be able to fix problems in that way. problems in that way. problems in that way. >> McVey grew up in Atlanta, a star high >> McVey grew up in Atlanta, a star high >> McVey grew up in Atlanta, a star high school quarterback. school quarterback. school quarterback. >> McVey at the 10. MCVEY AT THE FIVE. HE'S >> McVey at the 10. MCVEY AT THE FIVE. HE'S >> McVey at the 10. MCVEY AT THE FIVE. HE'S IN FOR THE TOUCHDOWN. WHEN INJURIES IN FOR THE TOUCHDOWN. WHEN INJURIES IN FOR THE TOUCHDOWN. WHEN INJURIES derailed his college career at Miami of derailed his college career at Miami of derailed his college career at Miami of Ohio, he made like his grandfather, John Ohio, he made like his grandfather, John Ohio, he made like his grandfather, John McVey, a Super Bowl winning exec with McVey, a Super Bowl winning exec with McVey, a Super Bowl winning exec with the 49ers and turned to NFL the 49ers and turned to NFL the 49ers and turned to NFL administration.

administration. administration. >> I wouldn't be where I was where I am >> I wouldn't be where I was where I am >> I wouldn't be where I was where I am today if it wasn't for the influence today if it wasn't for the influence today if it wasn't for the influence that he had on this league and the that he had on this league and the that he had on this league and the people that he came across that gave me people that he came across that gave me people that he came across that gave me chances that I didn't deserve. chances that I didn't deserve. chances that I didn't deserve. >> A foot in the door only gets you so far. >> A foot in the door only gets you so far. >> A foot in the door only gets you so far. In Washington, McVey rose quickly. At In Washington, McVey rose quickly. At In Washington, McVey rose quickly. At age 27, he was promoted to run the age 27, he was promoted to run the age 27, he was promoted to run the offense, which broke team records. offense, which broke team records. offense, which broke team records. >> Put the ball in the right hash right >> Put the ball in the right hash right >> Put the ball in the right hash right here. here. here. >> Under McVey, the Rams don't just try to >> Under McVey, the Rams don't just try to >> Under McVey, the Rams don't just try to beat opponents, they try to hack them. beat opponents, they try to hack them. beat opponents, they try to hack them. >> RIGHT UP THE MIDDLE AND IN. TOUCHDOWN, >> RIGHT UP THE MIDDLE AND IN. TOUCHDOWN, >> RIGHT UP THE MIDDLE AND IN. TOUCHDOWN, LOS ANGELES, LOS ANGELES, LOS ANGELES, >> looking to exploit the DEFENSE'S >> looking to exploit the DEFENSE'S >> looking to exploit the DEFENSE'S PATTERN. PATTERN. PATTERN. >> POKING A JUST LIKE THAT. >> POKING A JUST LIKE THAT. >> POKING A JUST LIKE THAT. >> Football might be a game of inches, but >> Football might be a game of inches, but >> Football might be a game of inches, but note here how the Rams receivers are note here how the Rams receivers are note here how the Rams receivers are wide open. Quarterback Matthew Stafford wide open. Quarterback Matthew Stafford wide open. Quarterback Matthew Stafford explained it to us. Well, on every explained it to us. Well, on every explained it to us. Well, on every single play, a defender is part of an single play, a defender is part of an single play, a defender is part of an 11-man team that has a responsibility to 11-man team that has a responsibility to 11-man team that has a responsibility to a gap or an area on the field that is a gap or an area on the field that is a gap or an area on the field that is his. And and we're going to try to his. And and we're going to try to his. And and we're going to try to create conflict, and that just comes create conflict, and that just comes create conflict, and that just comes through endless hours of studying tape, through endless hours of studying tape, through endless hours of studying tape, talking about it, understanding talking about it, understanding talking about it, understanding defensive responsibilities, and knowing defensive responsibilities, and knowing defensive responsibilities, and knowing their adjustments, and how can we try to their adjustments, and how can we try to their adjustments, and how can we try to put those adjustments in conflict on put those adjustments in conflict on put those adjustments in conflict on every play.

every play. every play. >> That must be such a thrill. >> That must be such a thrill. >> That must be such a thrill. >> It is. You know, those times when you >> It is. You know, those times when you >> It is. You know, those times when you scheme it up and and uh you know what scheme it up and and uh you know what scheme it up and and uh you know what you're about to get, you get it, and you you're about to get, you get it, and you you're about to get, you get it, and you execute it. It's a lot of fun. Perhaps execute it. It's a lot of fun. Perhaps execute it. It's a lot of fun. Perhaps less fun, McVey is in Stafford's ear all less fun, McVey is in Stafford's ear all less fun, McVey is in Stafford's ear all game, literally. game, literally. game, literally. >> Oh, easy. Listen. >> Oh, easy. Listen. >> Oh, easy. Listen. >> Radioing each play call into the >> Radioing each play call into the >> Radioing each play call into the quarterback's helmet. quarterback's helmet. quarterback's helmet. >> Duo, Tim. Yeah, here it is. Woo! I got >> Duo, Tim. Yeah, here it is. Woo! I got >> Duo, Tim. Yeah, here it is. Woo! I got it. I got it. I got it. Please stop. it. I got it. I got it. Please stop. it. I got it. I got it. Please stop. Yes. Please stop. Oh my god. He's still Yes. Please stop. Oh my god. He's still Yes. Please stop. Oh my god. He's still going. He's still going. going. He's still going. going. He's still going. >> What's it like hearing him in your >> What's it like hearing him in your >> What's it like hearing him in your helmet? helmet? helmet? >> Uh, it's it's a lot. No, it's it's a >> Uh, it's it's a lot. No, it's it's a >> Uh, it's it's a lot. No, it's it's a whole lot of fun. whole lot of fun. whole lot of fun. >> No talk back button though. >> No talk back button though. >> No talk back button though. >> Yeah. No talk back but sometimes I wish >> Yeah. No talk back but sometimes I wish >> Yeah. No talk back but sometimes I wish I had one, but uh I had one, but uh I had one, but uh >> What would you say? Yeah, I got it. >> What would you say? Yeah, I got it. >> What would you say? Yeah, I got it. >> We're good. >> We're good. >> We're good. >> He did have it. In Stafford's first >> He did have it. In Stafford's first >> He did have it. In Stafford's first season in LA, the Rams made the Super season in LA, the Rams made the Super season in LA, the Rams made the Super Bowl. Bowl. Bowl. >> ALL RIGHT, I BELIEVE IT. >> ALL RIGHT, I BELIEVE IT. >> ALL RIGHT, I BELIEVE IT. >> YOU KNOW, FOUR of the most powerful >> YOU KNOW, FOUR of the most powerful >> YOU KNOW, FOUR of the most powerful words that you can say are, "I believe words that you can say are, "I believe words that you can say are, "I believe in you." in you." in you." >> He means it. >> He means it. >> He means it. >> In the days before the Super Bowl, the >> In the days before the Super Bowl, the >> In the days before the Super Bowl, the Rams practiced a complicated play, the Rams practiced a complicated play, the Rams practiced a complicated play, the jet sweep. It didn't work. Before the jet sweep. It didn't work. Before the jet sweep. It didn't work. Before the game, Stafford gathered teammates to game, Stafford gathered teammates to game, Stafford gathered teammates to rehearse and refine the play and told rehearse and refine the play and told rehearse and refine the play and told McVey he could trust the team to execute McVey he could trust the team to execute McVey he could trust the team to execute it. And the Rams now have a fourth and it. And the Rams now have a fourth and it. And the Rams now have a fourth and one. And here comes a huge call by one. And here comes a huge call by one. And here comes a huge call by McVey.

McVey. McVey. >> Fourth down. Super Bowl on the line. >> Fourth down. Super Bowl on the line. >> Fourth down. Super Bowl on the line. McVey didn't punt. His play call. The McVey didn't punt. His play call. The McVey didn't punt. His play call. The jet sweep. jet sweep. jet sweep. >> Cup. He's going to get it. And more. >> Cup. He's going to get it. And more. >> Cup. He's going to get it. And more. >> What a gutsy call there by Shawn McVey. >> What a gutsy call there by Shawn McVey. >> What a gutsy call there by Shawn McVey. >> The Rams drove down, scored, and another >> The Rams drove down, scored, and another >> The Rams drove down, scored, and another first. McVey became the youngest head first. McVey became the youngest head first. McVey became the youngest head coach ever to win a Super Bowl. The joy coach ever to win a Super Bowl. The joy coach ever to win a Super Bowl. The joy was fleeting. The lies I told myself was fleeting. The lies I told myself was fleeting. The lies I told myself were once we win a Super Bowl, I'll be were once we win a Super Bowl, I'll be were once we win a Super Bowl, I'll be happy. happy. happy. >> The lies you told yourself about winning >> The lies you told yourself about winning >> The lies you told yourself about winning a Super Bowl. a Super Bowl. a Super Bowl. >> And the lies I told myself were I won't >> And the lies I told myself were I won't >> And the lies I told myself were I won't be happy until I until we win one. Um or be happy until I until we win one. Um or be happy until I until we win one. Um or I win one, you know, and it was a lot I win one, you know, and it was a lot I win one, you know, and it was a lot more selfish and you know, you're more selfish and you know, you're more selfish and you know, you're embarrassed to kind of look back on how embarrassed to kind of look back on how embarrassed to kind of look back on how you got to where you did you got to where you did you got to where you did >> after the Super Bowl season, a losing >> after the Super Bowl season, a losing >> after the Super Bowl season, a losing season. season. season. >> How dark a place did you go to after >> How dark a place did you go to after >> How dark a place did you go to after that? that? that? >> Dark. It was it revealed a lot of >> Dark. It was it revealed a lot of >> Dark. It was it revealed a lot of insecurities that I had. My identity was insecurities that I had. My identity was insecurities that I had. My identity was so tied up in winning and losing games so tied up in winning and losing games so tied up in winning and losing games and that was where I felt like my and that was where I felt like my and that was where I felt like my self-worth lied and it was very self-worth lied and it was very self-worth lied and it was very revealing of how fragile I was and and revealing of how fragile I was and and revealing of how fragile I was and and all the insecurities that I did have.

all the insecurities that I did have. all the insecurities that I did have. >> Unfulfilled by winning and devastated by >> Unfulfilled by winning and devastated by >> Unfulfilled by winning and devastated by losing. McVey considered stepping away losing. McVey considered stepping away losing. McVey considered stepping away for a career in broadcasting. for a career in broadcasting. for a career in broadcasting. >> I was ready to run away from coaching >> I was ready to run away from coaching >> I was ready to run away from coaching and hide behind a convenient narrative and hide behind a convenient narrative and hide behind a convenient narrative of some media opportunities. I'll never of some media opportunities. I'll never of some media opportunities. I'll never forget I was explaining to my wife forget I was explaining to my wife forget I was explaining to my wife Veronica it was a daunting task ahead Veronica it was a daunting task ahead Veronica it was a daunting task ahead for the 23 season and I remember telling for the 23 season and I remember telling for the 23 season and I remember telling her maybe I'll take a year off and she her maybe I'll take a year off and she her maybe I'll take a year off and she said that never sounded like the kind of said that never sounded like the kind of said that never sounded like the kind of leader you wanted to be. leader you wanted to be. leader you wanted to be. >> Those are tough words from your wife. >> Those are tough words from your wife. >> Those are tough words from your wife. >> You know I think it was the wakeup call >> You know I think it was the wakeup call >> You know I think it was the wakeup call that I needed. that I needed. that I needed. >> You say run away from which is different >> You say run away from which is different >> You say run away from which is different from pivot to or turn to. I mean from pivot to or turn to. I mean from pivot to or turn to. I mean >> yeah I would have been quitting you know >> yeah I would have been quitting you know >> yeah I would have been quitting you know that that would have been the truth. I that that would have been the truth. I that that would have been the truth. I would have been quitting because I would have been quitting because I would have been quitting because I couldn't handle the losses. He didn't couldn't handle the losses. He didn't couldn't handle the losses. He didn't quit and the Rams have made the playoffs quit and the Rams have made the playoffs quit and the Rams have made the playoffs every season since. every season since. every season since. >> 100TH CAREER WIN. LET'S GO. >> 100TH CAREER WIN. LET'S GO. >> 100TH CAREER WIN. LET'S GO. >> McVey won a 100 games before turning 40. >> McVey won a 100 games before turning 40. >> McVey won a 100 games before turning 40. But he concedes that like a team early But he concedes that like a team early But he concedes that like a team early in a season, he too is a work in in a season, he too is a work in in a season, he too is a work in progress. progress. progress. >> Success is never linear. You know, it's >> Success is never linear. You know, it's >> Success is never linear. You know, it's it it's always up and down. I think it it's always up and down. I think it it's always up and down. I think that's one of the biggest things is is that's one of the biggest things is is that's one of the biggest things is is the awareness of when those triggers, the awareness of when those triggers, the awareness of when those triggers, what are the things that you know that what are the things that you know that what are the things that you know that you're being somebody or you're getting you're being somebody or you're getting you're being somebody or you're getting to a point you don't want to be. Uh, and to a point you don't want to be. Uh, and to a point you don't want to be. Uh, and how quickly can you snap out of that?

how quickly can you snap out of that? how quickly can you snap out of that? >> Okay, so you have those moments. I'm I'm >> Okay, so you have those moments. I'm I'm >> Okay, so you have those moments. I'm I'm being someone I don't want to be right being someone I don't want to be right being someone I don't want to be right now. now. now. >> I'm having one right now. I mean, like >> I'm having one right now. I mean, like >> I'm having one right now. I mean, like that's just the truth. Like what I think that's just the truth. Like what I think that's just the truth. Like what I think is real about it is is you know, I feel is real about it is is you know, I feel is real about it is is you know, I feel bad that you guys are doing this bad that you guys are doing this bad that you guys are doing this incredible story and you know, and I'm incredible story and you know, and I'm incredible story and you know, and I'm not in a good place right now. I'm not not in a good place right now. I'm not not in a good place right now. I'm not happy with how practice went. happy with how practice went. happy with how practice went. >> Rams culture is demanding. >> Rams culture is demanding. >> Rams culture is demanding. >> Still, the league can't get enough of >> Still, the league can't get enough of >> Still, the league can't get enough of it. it. it. >> Every Sunday, other teams mirror the >> Every Sunday, other teams mirror the >> Every Sunday, other teams mirror the Rams play designs. Every offseason, Rams play designs. Every offseason, Rams play designs. Every offseason, other teams raid McVeyy's staff. Seven other teams raid McVeyy's staff. Seven other teams raid McVeyy's staff. Seven of his assistants have been poached away of his assistants have been poached away of his assistants have been poached away to become NFL head coaches. Nate to become NFL head coaches. Nate to become NFL head coaches. Nate Schillhouse is likely next. He's Schillhouse is likely next. He's Schillhouse is likely next. He's accustomed to McVeyy's perfectionist accustomed to McVeyy's perfectionist accustomed to McVeyy's perfectionist ways. Even at practice, ways. Even at practice, ways. Even at practice, >> you can tell he was pissed. >> you can tell he was pissed. >> you can tell he was pissed. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Even with starters out, second day of >> Even with starters out, second day of >> Even with starters out, second day of training camp, training camp, training camp, >> it doesn't matter. >> it doesn't matter. >> it doesn't matter. >> Doesn't matter. >> Doesn't matter. >> Doesn't matter. >> It doesn't matter who's out there. It's >> It doesn't matter who's out there. It's >> It doesn't matter who's out there. It's Matthew Stafford. It's a, you know, Matthew Stafford. It's a, you know, Matthew Stafford. It's a, you know, third string left guard. The standard is third string left guard. The standard is third string left guard. The standard is the standard. the standard. the standard. >> Head coach is pissed off. What's What's >> Head coach is pissed off. What's What's >> Head coach is pissed off. What's What's the staff and the players do? the staff and the players do? the staff and the players do? uh put your nose down and go to work. uh put your nose down and go to work. uh put your nose down and go to work. >> For the Rams, this kind of bluntness >> For the Rams, this kind of bluntness >> For the Rams, this kind of bluntness from McVey is not just expected. It's an from McVey is not just expected. It's an from McVey is not just expected. It's an organizing principle.

organizing principle. organizing principle. >> Within our locker room, within our >> Within our locker room, within our >> Within our locker room, within our walls, right? We all want to be as close walls, right? We all want to be as close walls, right? We all want to be as close as we possibly can. And a lot of times as we possibly can. And a lot of times as we possibly can. And a lot of times that comes with vulnerability. that comes with vulnerability. that comes with vulnerability. >> Square vulnerability with big, tough, >> Square vulnerability with big, tough, >> Square vulnerability with big, tough, violent football. violent football. violent football. >> You know, there's so many false >> You know, there's so many false >> You know, there's so many false narratives out there about our sport and narratives out there about our sport and narratives out there about our sport and what it needs to be and what men need to what it needs to be and what men need to what it needs to be and what men need to be and and all that. Being able to be be and and all that. Being able to be be and and all that. Being able to be close and open up with our head coach close and open up with our head coach close and open up with our head coach leading the way brings us closer as an leading the way brings us closer as an leading the way brings us closer as an organization, as a team. organization, as a team. organization, as a team. >> The quarterback also explained that >> The quarterback also explained that >> The quarterback also explained that McVeyy's youth and vitality help him McVeyy's youth and vitality help him McVeyy's youth and vitality help him connect. This shot of McVey and his wife connect. This shot of McVey and his wife connect. This shot of McVey and his wife this summer made the rounds on social this summer made the rounds on social this summer made the rounds on social and it seems inside the Rams locker and it seems inside the Rams locker and it seems inside the Rams locker room. room. room. >> Have you seen the viral shot of the abs >> Have you seen the viral shot of the abs >> Have you seen the viral shot of the abs on the boat? on the boat? on the boat? >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Thoughts? Thoughts, sir? >> Thoughts? Thoughts, sir? >> Thoughts? Thoughts, sir? >> I mean, we all were like, we better hit >> I mean, we all were like, we better hit >> I mean, we all were like, we better hit the weight room because this guy's the weight room because this guy's the weight room because this guy's shredded. Um, I mean that's the guy I shredded. Um, I mean that's the guy I shredded. Um, I mean that's the guy I know. He's he's uh he's putting the time know. He's he's uh he's putting the time know. He's he's uh he's putting the time and the effort in. and the effort in. and the effort in. >> Beyond McVey, the Ram success also >> Beyond McVey, the Ram success also >> Beyond McVey, the Ram success also hinges on its ownership. The Kroni hinges on its ownership. The Kroni hinges on its ownership. The Kroni family willing as they are to spend on family willing as they are to spend on family willing as they are to spend on coaches and players and building. At $5 coaches and players and building. At $5 coaches and players and building. At $5 billion, the Ram Sofi Stadium is the billion, the Ram Sofi Stadium is the billion, the Ram Sofi Stadium is the world's most expensive sports venue.

world's most expensive sports venue. world's most expensive sports venue. Ownership also invests in even the Ownership also invests in even the Ownership also invests in even the smallest edges. Military personality smallest edges. Military personality smallest edges. Military personality tests have helped GM Lesne needed tests have helped GM Lesne needed tests have helped GM Lesne needed identify leaders. A basic equation identify leaders. A basic equation identify leaders. A basic equation guides him. Character over talent. guides him. Character over talent. guides him. Character over talent. >> This guy uh didn't meet expectations. >> This guy uh didn't meet expectations. >> This guy uh didn't meet expectations. This guy did. This guy did. This guy did. >> Down the hall from Sneeed's old school >> Down the hall from Sneeed's old school >> Down the hall from Sneeed's old school whiteboard. Nicole Blake leads the Rams whiteboard. Nicole Blake leads the Rams whiteboard. Nicole Blake leads the Rams new high-tech drive into AI. The new high-tech drive into AI. The new high-tech drive into AI. The Stanford NBA says it could fundamentally Stanford NBA says it could fundamentally Stanford NBA says it could fundamentally change NFL coaching. change NFL coaching. change NFL coaching. >> Wide open is Parkinson. >> Wide open is Parkinson. >> Wide open is Parkinson. >> Never mind McVeyy's prodigious memory. >> Never mind McVeyy's prodigious memory. >> Never mind McVeyy's prodigious memory. Imagine the power of AI helping every Imagine the power of AI helping every Imagine the power of AI helping every team hack opposing defenses. team hack opposing defenses. team hack opposing defenses. >> You'll have significantly more patterns >> You'll have significantly more patterns >> You'll have significantly more patterns identified that the human eye would identified that the human eye would identified that the human eye would never catch. never catch. never catch. >> But pattern recognition is at the >> But pattern recognition is at the >> But pattern recognition is at the essence of winning football games. essence of winning football games. essence of winning football games. >> Yeah. From a game strategy perspective, >> Yeah. From a game strategy perspective, >> Yeah. From a game strategy perspective, that's the that's the whole game. that's the that's the whole game. that's the that's the whole game. >> For now, football is still at its core a >> For now, football is still at its core a >> For now, football is still at its core a game of people, of patterns, of game of people, of patterns, of game of people, of patterns, of incremental gains.

incremental gains. incremental gains. In Sneed's office, we noticed a statue In Sneed's office, we noticed a statue In Sneed's office, we noticed a statue of Sisphus cast in his unending push to of Sisphus cast in his unending push to of Sisphus cast in his unending push to the top. It called to mind a coach the top. It called to mind a coach the top. It called to mind a coach straining ever upward against the rock straining ever upward against the rock straining ever upward against the rock of expectation. of expectation. of expectation. Nearly a decade in, suddenly the second Nearly a decade in, suddenly the second Nearly a decade in, suddenly the second longest tenur coach in the NFL, Shawn longest tenur coach in the NFL, Shawn longest tenur coach in the NFL, Shawn McVey has learned this. There's honor in McVey has learned this. There's honor in McVey has learned this. There's honor in the pushing itself. the pushing itself. the pushing itself. >> You're either in a storm, you're coming >> You're either in a storm, you're coming >> You're either in a storm, you're coming out of one, or you're getting ready to out of one, or you're getting ready to out of one, or you're getting ready to go back into it. And it's one of those go back into it. And it's one of those go back into it. And it's one of those three things, but how you handle that is three things, but how you handle that is three things, but how you handle that is the separator. And so, uh, I want to be the separator. And so, uh, I want to be the separator. And so, uh, I want to be proud of who we've become in the midst proud of who we've become in the midst proud of who we've become in the midst of the journey. And here's what I will of the journey. And here's what I will of the journey. And here's what I will tell you, John, is I think that gives tell you, John, is I think that gives tell you, John, is I think that gives you the best chance to be the best team you the best chance to be the best team you the best chance to be the best team that tries to achieve the outcomes that that tries to achieve the outcomes that that tries to achieve the outcomes that we're hunting up on a weekly basis when we're hunting up on a weekly basis when we're hunting up on a weekly basis when we play those games. The last minute of 60 Minutes is The last minute of 60 Minutes is sponsored by United Healthcare Medicare sponsored by United Healthcare Medicare sponsored by United Healthcare Medicare Plans, a Medicare experience designed Plans, a Medicare experience designed Plans, a Medicare experience designed for what's next.

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