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In the late hours of a January night in In the late hours of a January night in Buenazeris, a dashing driven Argentine Buenazeris, a dashing driven Argentine Buenazeris, a dashing driven Argentine prosecutor was found dead in his prosecutor was found dead in his prosecutor was found dead in his apartment, bullet to the head. It was apartment, bullet to the head. It was apartment, bullet to the head. It was the day before he was to publicly the day before he was to publicly the day before he was to publicly present his evidence that the country's present his evidence that the country's present his evidence that the country's president, Christina Kushner, had president, Christina Kushner, had president, Christina Kushner, had secretly conspired with Iran to cover up secretly conspired with Iran to cover up secretly conspired with Iran to cover up Iran's involvement in Argentina's worst Iran's involvement in Argentina's worst Iran's involvement in Argentina's worst terrorist attack 20 years ago. It terrorist attack 20 years ago. It terrorist attack 20 years ago. It immediately became an international who immediately became an international who immediately became an international who done it in great part because of the key done it in great part because of the key done it in great part because of the key players. A hard charging high-profile players. A hard charging high-profile players. A hard charging high-profile prosecutor and a fiery populist prosecutor and a fiery populist prosecutor and a fiery populist president with a penchant for high president with a penchant for high president with a penchant for high drama. What everyone wants to know is drama. What everyone wants to know is drama. What everyone wants to know is was it murder? Was the government was it murder? Was the government was it murder? Was the government somehow involved? Or was it suicide? somehow involved? Or was it suicide? somehow involved? Or was it suicide? >> Forensic teams scoured the crime scene >> Forensic teams scoured the crime scene >> Forensic teams scoured the crime scene for clues. Only the victim's DNA was for clues. Only the victim's DNA was for clues. Only the victim's DNA was found. His name was Alberto Nisman, 51, found. His name was Alberto Nisman, 51, found. His name was Alberto Nisman, 51, a father of two. He was a prosecutor a father of two. He was a prosecutor a father of two. He was a prosecutor with 10 bodyguards and a long list of with 10 bodyguards and a long list of with 10 bodyguards and a long list of enemies. In the days before his death, enemies. In the days before his death, enemies. In the days before his death, he had grown worried for his and his he had grown worried for his and his he had grown worried for his and his family safety. Just hours before he family safety. Just hours before he family safety. Just hours before he died, he asked Diego Lagra Marcino, a died, he asked Diego Lagra Marcino, a died, he asked Diego Lagra Marcino, a tech worker in his office, to loan him tech worker in his office, to loan him tech worker in his office, to loan him his gun. So, as far as we know, you were his gun. So, as far as we know, you were his gun. So, as far as we know, you were the last person who saw Nisman one day the last person who saw Nisman one day the last person who saw Nisman one day before he died. Did he say why he wanted before he died. Did he say why he wanted before he died. Did he say why he wanted the weapon?

the weapon? the weapon? >> He told me, "Do you know how it feels >> He told me, "Do you know how it feels >> He told me, "Do you know how it feels that your daughters don't want to be that your daughters don't want to be that your daughters don't want to be with you because they're afraid that with you because they're afraid that with you because they're afraid that something will happen to them by being something will happen to them by being something will happen to them by being next to you?" I had never seen Nisman so next to you?" I had never seen Nisman so next to you?" I had never seen Nisman so concerned. Didn't you say to him, "Why concerned. Didn't you say to him, "Why concerned. Didn't you say to him, "Why do you need a gun? You have 10 do you need a gun? You have 10 do you need a gun? You have 10 bodyguards." bodyguards." bodyguards." >> Yes, that's the first thing I asked him. >> Yes, that's the first thing I asked him. >> Yes, that's the first thing I asked him. and he answered, "Because I don't trust and he answered, "Because I don't trust and he answered, "Because I don't trust my bodyguards." my bodyguards." my bodyguards." >> Sunday morning, January 18th, Nissman is >> Sunday morning, January 18th, Nissman is >> Sunday morning, January 18th, Nissman is up in his apartment here up on the 13th up in his apartment here up on the 13th up in his apartment here up on the 13th floor. But things aren't quite right. He floor. But things aren't quite right. He floor. But things aren't quite right. He doesn't respond to repeated phone calls doesn't respond to repeated phone calls doesn't respond to repeated phone calls from his bodyguards. We know from the from his bodyguards. We know from the from his bodyguards. We know from the coroner that he died around 300 p.m. in coroner that he died around 300 p.m. in coroner that he died around 300 p.m. in his bathroom, his body slumped against his bathroom, his body slumped against his bathroom, his body slumped against the door. He had been struck by a bullet the door. He had been struck by a bullet the door. He had been struck by a bullet at point blank range above his right at point blank range above his right at point blank range above his right ear. ear. ear. Did it enter your mind at all ever in Did it enter your mind at all ever in Did it enter your mind at all ever in being with him that he might use this being with him that he might use this being with him that he might use this weapon on himself? weapon on himself? weapon on himself? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> No sense that he was going to kill >> No sense that he was going to kill >> No sense that he was going to kill himself?

himself? himself? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Do you think he did commit suicide? >> Do you think he did commit suicide? >> Do you think he did commit suicide? >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> It looked like a suicide, but there was >> It looked like a suicide, but there was >> It looked like a suicide, but there was no note and no gunpowder residue on no note and no gunpowder residue on no note and no gunpowder residue on Alberto Nisman's hands. and a forensics Alberto Nisman's hands. and a forensics Alberto Nisman's hands. and a forensics team hired by his ex-wife ruled it a team hired by his ex-wife ruled it a team hired by his ex-wife ruled it a murder. It's a mystery with roots going murder. It's a mystery with roots going murder. It's a mystery with roots going back 20 years to this crime. The suicide back 20 years to this crime. The suicide back 20 years to this crime. The suicide bombing of Amya, the Buenazari's Jewish bombing of Amya, the Buenazari's Jewish bombing of Amya, the Buenazari's Jewish community center that killed 85, burying community center that killed 85, burying community center that killed 85, burying them under the rubble. [screaming] them under the rubble. [screaming] them under the rubble. [screaming] It was the worst terror attack in this It was the worst terror attack in this It was the worst terror attack in this country's history. country's history. country's history. It was long believed that Hezbollah It was long believed that Hezbollah It was long believed that Hezbollah operatives carried it out. But who sent operatives carried it out. But who sent operatives carried it out. But who sent them? After 10 years with no answer, them? After 10 years with no answer, them? After 10 years with no answer, Alberto Nisman was named special Alberto Nisman was named special Alberto Nisman was named special prosecutor in 2004 to find out. prosecutor in 2004 to find out. prosecutor in 2004 to find out. >> He believed in it as a mission. He >> He believed in it as a mission. He >> He believed in it as a mission. He always thought that through justice you always thought that through justice you always thought that through justice you can defeat terrorism. Gustavo Perednik, can defeat terrorism. Gustavo Perednik, can defeat terrorism. Gustavo Perednik, a close friend who wrote a book about a close friend who wrote a book about a close friend who wrote a book about the case, said that Nisman, after the case, said that Nisman, after the case, said that Nisman, after investigating for two years, charged investigating for two years, charged investigating for two years, charged Iran with ordering and financing the Iran with ordering and financing the Iran with ordering and financing the attack.

attack. attack. >> I he went right to the very top of Iran >> I he went right to the very top of Iran >> I he went right to the very top of Iran and accused and accused and accused the topmost people of approving the the topmost people of approving the the topmost people of approving the bombing. And thanks to him, they have to bombing. And thanks to him, they have to bombing. And thanks to him, they have to be in Iran all the time because if they be in Iran all the time because if they be in Iran all the time because if they leave Iran, the Interpol can look for leave Iran, the Interpol can look for leave Iran, the Interpol can look for them. them. them. >> That's because Interpol issued red >> That's because Interpol issued red >> That's because Interpol issued red alerts, the equivalent of arrest alerts, the equivalent of arrest alerts, the equivalent of arrest warrants to several high-ranking warrants to several high-ranking warrants to several high-ranking Iranians, including the defense Iranians, including the defense Iranians, including the defense minister. Alberto Nissman would spend minister. Alberto Nissman would spend minister. Alberto Nissman would spend the rest of his life trying in vain to the rest of his life trying in vain to the rest of his life trying in vain to get them into an Argentine court. So he get them into an Argentine court. So he get them into an Argentine court. So he was stunned when two years ago his was stunned when two years ago his was stunned when two years ago his country's foreign minister signed a country's foreign minister signed a country's foreign minister signed a memorandum with Iran in which the two memorandum with Iran in which the two memorandum with Iran in which the two countries agreed to interrogate the countries agreed to interrogate the countries agreed to interrogate the accused officials together. accused officials together. accused officials together. >> The memorandum itself is a joke because >> The memorandum itself is a joke because >> The memorandum itself is a joke because it meant basically that Argentina had to it meant basically that Argentina had to it meant basically that Argentina had to give to Iran all the results of its give to Iran all the results of its give to Iran all the results of its investigation against Iran for the investigation against Iran for the investigation against Iran for the Iranians to check. That was absurd. Iranians to check. That was absurd. Iranians to check. That was absurd. Prosecutor Nissman felt betrayed, saying Prosecutor Nissman felt betrayed, saying Prosecutor Nissman felt betrayed, saying this was negotiating with the terrorists this was negotiating with the terrorists this was negotiating with the terrorists responsible for the attack. He saw it as responsible for the attack. He saw it as responsible for the attack. He saw it as part of the government's tilt toward part of the government's tilt toward part of the government's tilt toward anti-western regimes, shephered by the anti-western regimes, shephered by the anti-western regimes, shephered by the foreign minister, Hector Timberman, who foreign minister, Hector Timberman, who foreign minister, Hector Timberman, who agreed to talk to us at the foreign agreed to talk to us at the foreign agreed to talk to us at the foreign ministry.

ministry. ministry. >> There's been a lot said about your >> There's been a lot said about your >> There's been a lot said about your government shifting policy, foreign government shifting policy, foreign government shifting policy, foreign policy, away from the United States. Why policy, away from the United States. Why policy, away from the United States. Why do you think that an alliance with do you think that an alliance with do you think that an alliance with United States is the only way a country United States is the only way a country United States is the only way a country can have a foreign policy? We have an can have a foreign policy? We have an can have a foreign policy? We have an independent foreign policy. independent foreign policy. independent foreign policy. >> Independent of the United States. >> Independent of the United States. >> Independent of the United States. >> Independent foreign policy. >> Independent foreign policy. >> Independent foreign policy. >> But you used to be very close to the >> But you used to be very close to the >> But you used to be very close to the United States and that is no longer the United States and that is no longer the United States and that is no longer the case. case. case. >> I don't think it is so good to be close >> I don't think it is so good to be close >> I don't think it is so good to be close to anybody. to anybody. to anybody. >> Problem is Alberto Nissman was close to >> Problem is Alberto Nissman was close to >> Problem is Alberto Nissman was close to the Americans and stayed close. the Americans and stayed close. the Americans and stayed close. According to leaked State Department According to leaked State Department According to leaked State Department cables, Washington was always pressuring cables, Washington was always pressuring cables, Washington was always pressuring him to keep the focus on Iran. him to keep the focus on Iran. him to keep the focus on Iran. >> Do you agree with those who say that Mr. >> Do you agree with those who say that Mr. >> Do you agree with those who say that Mr. Nissman was a puppet of the United Nissman was a puppet of the United Nissman was a puppet of the United States and the CIA? States and the CIA? States and the CIA? >> Well, puppet is a very strong word to >> Well, puppet is a very strong word to >> Well, puppet is a very strong word to use by a foreign minister use by a foreign minister use by a foreign minister >> under the sway of >> under the sway of >> under the sway of >> Mr. Neman used to go to the American >> Mr. Neman used to go to the American >> Mr. Neman used to go to the American embassy here in Argentina and tell in embassy here in Argentina and tell in embassy here in Argentina and tell in advance what he was going to do. Do you advance what he was going to do. Do you advance what he was going to do. Do you know if Mr. Nisman was about to lose his know if Mr. Nisman was about to lose his know if Mr. Nisman was about to lose his job? Was he going to be fired?

job? Was he going to be fired? job? Was he going to be fired? >> He was not going to lose his job. We >> He was not going to lose his job. We >> He was not going to lose his job. We >> read these speculations. >> read these speculations. >> read these speculations. >> That was a speculation in the media, but >> That was a speculation in the media, but >> That was a speculation in the media, but there was no way that we ever discussed there was no way that we ever discussed there was no way that we ever discussed taking the job away from Mr. Nisman. taking the job away from Mr. Nisman. taking the job away from Mr. Nisman. >> To this day, the case of the bombing of >> To this day, the case of the bombing of >> To this day, the case of the bombing of the Jewish Community Center remains the Jewish Community Center remains the Jewish Community Center remains unadjudicated. The evidence gathering unadjudicated. The evidence gathering unadjudicated. The evidence gathering dust in a giant warehouse in downtown dust in a giant warehouse in downtown dust in a giant warehouse in downtown Buenazeris. over a half a million Buenazeris. over a half a million Buenazeris. over a half a million yellowing documents, folders, audio yellowing documents, folders, audio yellowing documents, folders, audio cassettes. And now Argentina has a new cassettes. And now Argentina has a new cassettes. And now Argentina has a new mystery because two months ago, mystery because two months ago, mystery because two months ago, prosecutor Nissman went on television prosecutor Nissman went on television prosecutor Nissman went on television with an explosive accusation >> that President Christina Fernandez de >> that President Christina Fernandez de Kushner and her foreign minister had Kushner and her foreign minister had Kushner and her foreign minister had negotiated a secret deal with Iran to negotiated a secret deal with Iran to negotiated a secret deal with Iran to improve trade in exchange for dropping improve trade in exchange for dropping improve trade in exchange for dropping those red alerts. Perednik said Nissman those red alerts. Perednik said Nissman those red alerts. Perednik said Nissman saw this as colluding with the enemy. saw this as colluding with the enemy. saw this as colluding with the enemy. >> This time he said, "I'm going to put >> This time he said, "I'm going to put >> This time he said, "I'm going to put them in jail.

them in jail. them in jail. >> I'm gonna put them in jail." >> I'm gonna put them in jail." >> I'm gonna put them in jail." >> And them is the president and the >> And them is the president and the >> And them is the president and the foreign minister. foreign minister. foreign minister. >> But 4 days after his accusation, Nissman >> But 4 days after his accusation, Nissman >> But 4 days after his accusation, Nissman was dead. President Kersner, not one to was dead. President Kersner, not one to was dead. President Kersner, not one to hold back, immediately took to Facebook hold back, immediately took to Facebook hold back, immediately took to Facebook to suggest it was suicide, then abruptly to suggest it was suicide, then abruptly to suggest it was suicide, then abruptly backtracked and called it murder. backtracked and called it murder. backtracked and called it murder. People took to the streets in protest People took to the streets in protest People took to the streets in protest calling for justice. Polls show a calling for justice. Polls show a calling for justice. Polls show a majority here think he was assassinated majority here think he was assassinated majority here think he was assassinated and the president's opponents think she and the president's opponents think she and the president's opponents think she had a hand in it. This country has a had a hand in it. This country has a had a hand in it. This country has a history of assassinations. For years history of assassinations. For years history of assassinations. For years under military dictatorship, political under military dictatorship, political under military dictatorship, political rivals simply disappeared. But rivals simply disappeared. But rivals simply disappeared. But Argentinians thought they had put that Argentinians thought they had put that Argentinians thought they had put that behind them. I've heard people talk behind them. I've heard people talk behind them. I've heard people talk about Argentina being drawn back into about Argentina being drawn back into about Argentina being drawn back into its dark past. its dark past. its dark past. >> No, >> No, >> No, >> assassinations. >> assassinations. >> assassinations. >> No, >> No, >> No, it's impossible. We're talking about it's impossible. We're talking about it's impossible. We're talking about things that were terrible. Terrible.

things that were terrible. Terrible. things that were terrible. Terrible. >> One of the great mysteries is whether >> One of the great mysteries is whether >> One of the great mysteries is whether Mr. Nisman killed himself or whether he Mr. Nisman killed himself or whether he Mr. Nisman killed himself or whether he was murdered. So, what do you think was murdered. So, what do you think was murdered. So, what do you think >> that I I am part of that mystery? I >> that I I am part of that mystery? I >> that I I am part of that mystery? I don't know. He's part of the mystery don't know. He's part of the mystery don't know. He's part of the mystery because he was one of Nissman's targets. because he was one of Nissman's targets. because he was one of Nissman's targets. The day after he died, the prosecutor The day after he died, the prosecutor The day after he died, the prosecutor was scheduled to appear before Congress was scheduled to appear before Congress was scheduled to appear before Congress to publicly present a 300page report to publicly present a 300page report to publicly present a 300page report backing up his charges. He said that you backing up his charges. He said that you backing up his charges. He said that you in 2011, in 2011, in 2011, >> yes, >> yes, >> yes, >> met in Syria with your Iranian >> met in Syria with your Iranian >> met in Syria with your Iranian counterpart. He said that you said, and counterpart. He said that you said, and counterpart. He said that you said, and this this is a quote in the report, this this is a quote in the report, this this is a quote in the report, Argentina is no longer interested in Argentina is no longer interested in Argentina is no longer interested in solving the attack, the bombing here. It solving the attack, the bombing here. It solving the attack, the bombing here. It prefers to improve its trade relations prefers to improve its trade relations prefers to improve its trade relations with Iran. with Iran. with Iran. >> Well, that's a lie. That's a total lie. >> Well, that's a lie. That's a total lie. >> Well, that's a lie. That's a total lie. I never said that. And Mr. Nisman never I never said that. And Mr. Nisman never I never said that. And Mr. Nisman never show any evidence that I said that. show any evidence that I said that. show any evidence that I said that. >> He didn't have that on tape or anything >> He didn't have that on tape or anything >> He didn't have that on tape or anything like that. like that. like that. >> He cannot have something in tape because >> He cannot have something in tape because >> He cannot have something in tape because I didn't say it. Nissman says that you I didn't say it. Nissman says that you I didn't say it. Nissman says that you offered to lift the red alerts.

offered to lift the red alerts. offered to lift the red alerts. [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] >> That is a it's totally logic. I mean, >> That is a it's totally logic. I mean, >> That is a it's totally logic. I mean, you have to read the law. The only one you have to read the law. The only one you have to read the law. The only one who can cancel the red notice is a who can cancel the red notice is a who can cancel the red notice is a judge. So, I cannot lift the red alert. judge. So, I cannot lift the red alert. judge. So, I cannot lift the red alert. Okay? I am not Okay? I am not Okay? I am not >> You could not make a deal to, you could >> You could not make a deal to, you could >> You could not make a deal to, you could not promise to. not promise to. not promise to. >> I cannot do it. So, is it possible that >> I cannot do it. So, is it possible that >> I cannot do it. So, is it possible that the prosecutor's charge against the the prosecutor's charge against the the prosecutor's charge against the president and foreign minister was president and foreign minister was president and foreign minister was without merit? In an evidence room without merit? In an evidence room without merit? In an evidence room stacked two stories high with stacked two stories high with stacked two stories high with investigation documents, we met the investigation documents, we met the investigation documents, we met the Argentine judge who issued those Argentine judge who issued those Argentine judge who issued those original red alert arrest warrants. original red alert arrest warrants. original red alert arrest warrants. >> You were the judge who made the request >> You were the judge who made the request >> You were the judge who made the request of Interpol of Interpol of Interpol >> to arrest these people, those red >> to arrest these people, those red >> to arrest these people, those red alerts. alerts. alerts. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Did this government ever ask you to ask >> Did this government ever ask you to ask >> Did this government ever ask you to ask Interpol to lift the red alerts? No, Interpol to lift the red alerts? No, Interpol to lift the red alerts? No, never. never. never. >> Never. >> Never. >> Never. >> No government, no person, no no nobody. >> No government, no person, no no nobody. >> No government, no person, no no nobody. >> It seems Interpol never got a request to >> It seems Interpol never got a request to >> It seems Interpol never got a request to lift the arrest warrants from anyone. 2 lift the arrest warrants from anyone. 2 lift the arrest warrants from anyone. 2 days after Nissman made his accusation, days after Nissman made his accusation, days after Nissman made his accusation, the former head of Interpol sent this the former head of Interpol sent this the former head of Interpol sent this letter to the foreign minister affirming letter to the foreign minister affirming letter to the foreign minister affirming that the government was 100% committed that the government was 100% committed that the government was 100% committed that the red alerts remain in effect.

that the red alerts remain in effect. that the red alerts remain in effect. >> So 180 degrees from what >> So 180 degrees from what >> So 180 degrees from what >> and I read that in public. How could >> and I read that in public. How could >> and I read that in public. How could such a seasoned prosecutor make such a such a seasoned prosecutor make such a such a seasoned prosecutor make such a huge mistake? President Kersner huge mistake? President Kersner huge mistake? President Kersner speculated that her enemies fed Nissman speculated that her enemies fed Nissman speculated that her enemies fed Nissman the erroneous information, then killed the erroneous information, then killed the erroneous information, then killed him, hoping she would get blamed. She him, hoping she would get blamed. She him, hoping she would get blamed. She pointed, for example, to the man who pointed, for example, to the man who pointed, for example, to the man who gave him the gun. So, the president gave him the gun. So, the president gave him the gun. So, the president named you as someone suspicious in this named you as someone suspicious in this named you as someone suspicious in this case. She says that you're an agent of case. She says that you're an agent of case. She says that you're an agent of the opposition. the opposition. the opposition. >> No. Here are some of the rumors we've >> No. Here are some of the rumors we've >> No. Here are some of the rumors we've heard about you. That you're a spy. heard about you. That you're a spy. heard about you. That you're a spy. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> I am not a spy. >> I am not a spy. >> I am not a spy. >> That you're an agent for a foreign >> That you're an agent for a foreign >> That you're an agent for a foreign government. Iran, Israel. government. Iran, Israel. government. Iran, Israel. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> We haven't seen any evidence to back up >> We haven't seen any evidence to back up >> We haven't seen any evidence to back up the president's charges about Lago the president's charges about Lago the president's charges about Lago Marcino. A more credible target is this Marcino. A more credible target is this Marcino. A more credible target is this man, Haimey Stuzo, a powerful and man, Haimey Stuzo, a powerful and man, Haimey Stuzo, a powerful and shadowy spy master who was Nissman's shadowy spy master who was Nissman's shadowy spy master who was Nissman's main source for years. One theory is main source for years. One theory is main source for years. One theory is that Stuso concocted the accusation that Stuso concocted the accusation that Stuso concocted the accusation against the president in revenge after against the president in revenge after against the president in revenge after she fired him.

she fired him. she fired him. >> Tuso was fired December, the end of >> Tuso was fired December, the end of >> Tuso was fired December, the end of December, December, December, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> And 14 days later, the Mr. Nman accused >> And 14 days later, the Mr. Nman accused >> And 14 days later, the Mr. Nman accused the president and myself. And the president and myself. And the president and myself. And >> ah, you see a connection there. Oh yes. >> ah, you see a connection there. Oh yes. >> ah, you see a connection there. Oh yes. >> The foreign minister suggests that the >> The foreign minister suggests that the >> The foreign minister suggests that the spy master manipulated Nissman into spy master manipulated Nissman into spy master manipulated Nissman into coming out with a sensational indictment coming out with a sensational indictment coming out with a sensational indictment against the Argentine government before against the Argentine government before against the Argentine government before the details could be verified. Those who the details could be verified. Those who the details could be verified. Those who believe it was suicide think the believe it was suicide think the believe it was suicide think the prosecutor came to realize he had been prosecutor came to realize he had been prosecutor came to realize he had been duped and snapped. Is it possible in duped and snapped. Is it possible in duped and snapped. Is it possible in your mind that he thought to himself, your mind that he thought to himself, your mind that he thought to himself, "Oh my, I got this terribly wrong and "Oh my, I got this terribly wrong and "Oh my, I got this terribly wrong and now now now >> well, >> well, >> well, >> I don't want to be embarrassed and have >> I don't want to be embarrassed and have >> I don't want to be embarrassed and have to testify publicly." to testify publicly." to testify publicly." >> Does that is that in your head? >> Does that is that in your head? >> Does that is that in your head? >> I cannot imagine what can go through the >> I cannot imagine what can go through the >> I cannot imagine what can go through the mind of a person like Neman. mind of a person like Neman. mind of a person like Neman. And I don't want to speculate because And I don't want to speculate because And I don't want to speculate because the man is dead. He cannot defend the man is dead. He cannot defend the man is dead. He cannot defend himself. And so I will not speculate on himself. And so I will not speculate on himself. And so I will not speculate on on what happened with him. on what happened with him. on what happened with him. There's a new building and memorial at There's a new building and memorial at There's a new building and memorial at the site of the 1994 Amya bombing. A the site of the 1994 Amya bombing. A the site of the 1994 Amya bombing. A crime the prosecutor dedicated the last crime the prosecutor dedicated the last crime the prosecutor dedicated the last 10 years of his life to. Now that he's 10 years of his life to. Now that he's 10 years of his life to. Now that he's gone, the families of the victims fear gone, the families of the victims fear gone, the families of the victims fear they will never have justice.

they will never have justice. they will never have justice. At the Jewish cemetery in Buenazaris, At the Jewish cemetery in Buenazaris, At the Jewish cemetery in Buenazaris, Luis Chichesky visits the grave of his Luis Chichesky visits the grave of his Luis Chichesky visits the grave of his daughter Paola often. Just steps away, daughter Paola often. Just steps away, daughter Paola often. Just steps away, >> Wow. is a fresh grave that of Alberto >> Wow. is a fresh grave that of Alberto >> Wow. is a fresh grave that of Alberto Nisman. Who killed Gerald Bull? He was Who killed Gerald Bull? He was acclaimed, acknowledged as the world's acclaimed, acknowledged as the world's acclaimed, acknowledged as the world's most accomplished designer of long-range most accomplished designer of long-range most accomplished designer of long-range artillery. And he was gunned down in artillery. And he was gunned down in artillery. And he was gunned down in Belgium last March. But just as Belgium last March. But just as Belgium last March. But just as intriguing as who killed him is why. intriguing as who killed him is why. intriguing as who killed him is why. There is little doubt his murder was There is little doubt his murder was There is little doubt his murder was linked in some way to what he did for linked in some way to what he did for linked in some way to what he did for Iraq Saddam Hussein. Bull was a Canadian Iraq Saddam Hussein. Bull was a Canadian Iraq Saddam Hussein. Bull was a Canadian scientist, later a naturalized American. scientist, later a naturalized American. scientist, later a naturalized American. His expertise in weapons was in demand His expertise in weapons was in demand His expertise in weapons was in demand all over the globe, but nowhere did he all over the globe, but nowhere did he all over the globe, but nowhere did he find a readier market for what he had to find a readier market for what he had to find a readier market for what he had to sell than in Iraq. Chuck Bernard, sell than in Iraq. Chuck Bernard, sell than in Iraq. Chuck Bernard, another artillery expert and an old another artillery expert and an old another artillery expert and an old associate of Bulls, says that is why it associate of Bulls, says that is why it associate of Bulls, says that is why it should be obvious who killed Gerald should be obvious who killed Gerald should be obvious who killed Gerald Bull. Who do you think killed Jerry Bull. Who do you think killed Jerry Bull. Who do you think killed Jerry Bull?

Bull? Bull? >> I think the the Israeli >> I think the the Israeli >> I think the the Israeli hit team killed Jerry. hit team killed Jerry. hit team killed Jerry. >> Why the Israelis? >> Why the Israelis? >> Why the Israelis? >> Well, I think they were sending a >> Well, I think they were sending a >> Well, I think they were sending a message to other people. message to other people. message to other people. >> That message was >> That message was >> That message was >> uh work with Iraq and uh somebody will >> uh work with Iraq and uh somebody will >> uh work with Iraq and uh somebody will put a bullet in the back of your head. put a bullet in the back of your head. put a bullet in the back of your head. >> Flat out is that? Sure. >> Flat out is that? Sure. >> Flat out is that? Sure. >> It was here at dusk in his suburban >> It was here at dusk in his suburban >> It was here at dusk in his suburban Brussels apartment that Gerald Bull was Brussels apartment that Gerald Bull was Brussels apartment that Gerald Bull was killed. He had lived here under a killed. He had lived here under a killed. He had lived here under a pseudonym. Told neighbors that he was in pseudonym. Told neighbors that he was in pseudonym. Told neighbors that he was in the computer business. He had just left the computer business. He had just left the computer business. He had just left the elevator on the sixth floor here at the elevator on the sixth floor here at the elevator on the sixth floor here at number 28, taken out his keys to open number 28, taken out his keys to open number 28, taken out his keys to open his apartment door when someone who had his apartment door when someone who had his apartment door when someone who had been waiting in the shadows fired two been waiting in the shadows fired two been waiting in the shadows fired two bullets into the back of his neck, three bullets into the back of his neck, three bullets into the back of his neck, three more into his body. It had the hallmarks more into his body. It had the hallmarks more into his body. It had the hallmarks of a professional job. silencer and the of a professional job. silencer and the of a professional job. silencer and the gun, $20,000 left untouched in his gun, $20,000 left untouched in his gun, $20,000 left untouched in his wallet. And all of these months later, wallet. And all of these months later, wallet. And all of these months later, the Belgian police say they still have the Belgian police say they still have the Belgian police say they still have no idea who the assassin was. no idea who the assassin was. no idea who the assassin was. >> I know who has a motive to kill him.

>> I know who has a motive to kill him. >> I know who has a motive to kill him. >> Ron Benishi, one of Israel's top >> Ron Benishi, one of Israel's top >> Ron Benishi, one of Israel's top military correspondents. Bull's murder, military correspondents. Bull's murder, military correspondents. Bull's murder, he says, was a deterrent to other he says, was a deterrent to other he says, was a deterrent to other engineers and scientists. mainly engineers and scientists. mainly engineers and scientists. mainly European scientists that helped the European scientists that helped the European scientists that helped the Saddam Hussein get all the dreadful Saddam Hussein get all the dreadful Saddam Hussein get all the dreadful things he possesses now. things he possesses now. things he possesses now. >> German scientists, >> German scientists, >> German scientists, Italian scientists, Japanese scientists, Italian scientists, Japanese scientists, Italian scientists, Japanese scientists, British scientists, British scientists, British scientists, >> help Saddam Hussein, >> help Saddam Hussein, >> help Saddam Hussein, >> get chemical weapons, get biological >> get chemical weapons, get biological >> get chemical weapons, get biological weapons, get everything. Mhm. weapons, get everything. Mhm. weapons, get everything. Mhm. >> And Gerald Bull was very good as an >> And Gerald Bull was very good as an >> And Gerald Bull was very good as an example because he was well known. example because he was well known. example because he was well known. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And his assassination said >> And his assassination said >> And his assassination said >> is a warning >> is a warning >> is a warning >> was a warning. >> was a warning. >> was a warning. >> The problem was this. >> The problem was this. >> The problem was this. >> But why Gerald Bull? >> But why Gerald Bull? >> But why Gerald Bull? >> Amatsia Baram is the foremost Israeli >> Amatsia Baram is the foremost Israeli >> Amatsia Baram is the foremost Israeli authority on Saddam Hussein. Whoever authority on Saddam Hussein. Whoever authority on Saddam Hussein. Whoever assassinated Gerald Bull knew one thing assassinated Gerald Bull knew one thing assassinated Gerald Bull knew one thing that with one bullet you eliminate a that with one bullet you eliminate a that with one bullet you eliminate a whole big project and a very threatening whole big project and a very threatening whole big project and a very threatening one. So I suppose it was effective.

What was that project? The answer came What was that project? The answer came to light only after Bull's murder. Two to light only after Bull's murder. Two to light only after Bull's murder. Two weeks later, here in Britain, British weeks later, here in Britain, British weeks later, here in Britain, British Customs announced they had seized eight Customs announced they had seized eight Customs announced they had seized eight huge steel tubes 1 meter in diameter huge steel tubes 1 meter in diameter huge steel tubes 1 meter in diameter built by a British steel works already built by a British steel works already built by a British steel works already loaded on a freighter to be shipped to loaded on a freighter to be shipped to loaded on a freighter to be shipped to Iraq. The true purpose of those tubes, Iraq. The true purpose of those tubes, Iraq. The true purpose of those tubes, according to customs, joined together, according to customs, joined together, according to customs, joined together, they would form part of a gun barrel they would form part of a gun barrel they would form part of a gun barrel that would be 500 ft in length, by far that would be 500 ft in length, by far that would be 500 ft in length, by far the largest cannon ever built. Within the largest cannon ever built. Within the largest cannon ever built. Within the next few weeks, other components of the next few weeks, other components of the next few weeks, other components of the so-called super gun were seized by the so-called super gun were seized by the so-called super gun were seized by authorities in several other European authorities in several other European authorities in several other European countries. And the man behind that super countries. And the man behind that super countries. And the man behind that super gun was Gerald Bull, which was not at all surprising for the which was not at all surprising for the power of huge cannon like those power of huge cannon like those power of huge cannon like those developed during the two world wars developed during the two world wars developed during the two world wars seemed to fascinate Jerry Bull. A Canadian-B born prodigy, he got his A Canadian-B born prodigy, he got his PhD by the time he was 22 and came to be PhD by the time he was 22 and came to be PhD by the time he was 22 and came to be the world's greatest designer of long the world's greatest designer of long the world's greatest designer of long range artillery. That at least is the range artillery. That at least is the range artillery. That at least is the view of the experts at James Defense view of the experts at James Defense view of the experts at James Defense Weekly in London.

Weekly in London. Weekly in London. >> I don't think there ever has been in the >> I don't think there ever has been in the >> I don't think there ever has been in the history of artillery systems and of land history of artillery systems and of land history of artillery systems and of land uh battle technology. There's never been uh battle technology. There's never been uh battle technology. There's never been one person who has locked up in his one person who has locked up in his one person who has locked up in his brain so much expertise. brain so much expertise. brain so much expertise. >> His impact on the artillery world has >> His impact on the artillery world has >> His impact on the artillery world has been tremendous. You must not been tremendous. You must not been tremendous. You must not underestimate that. restricted area. underestimate that. restricted area. underestimate that. restricted area. >> The saga of Gerald Bull and his super >> The saga of Gerald Bull and his super >> The saga of Gerald Bull and his super gun began here on the border between gun began here on the border between gun began here on the border between Canada and Vermont. Bull's son, Canada and Vermont. Bull's son, Canada and Vermont. Bull's son, Michelle, took us to this place where Michelle, took us to this place where Michelle, took us to this place where back in 1961. back in 1961. back in 1961. Jerry Bull had set out to build a cannon Jerry Bull had set out to build a cannon Jerry Bull had set out to build a cannon that could launch an object into space that could launch an object into space that could launch an object into space for scientific research for just a few for scientific research for just a few for scientific research for just a few million dollars. And he wound up million dollars. And he wound up million dollars. And he wound up constructing on this site the largest constructing on this site the largest constructing on this site the largest cannon ever built. cannon ever built. cannon ever built. >> Good lord. That's it. Yep. >> Good lord. That's it. Yep. >> Good lord. That's it. Yep. >> That's the big one. >> That's the big one. >> That's the big one. >> What a monster. >> What a monster. >> What a monster. >> Y >> Y >> Y >> How long is that barrel? >> How long is that barrel? >> How long is that barrel? >> That's 172 ft long. >> That's 172 ft long. >> That's 172 ft long. >> And another huge cannon similar to this >> And another huge cannon similar to this >> And another huge cannon similar to this one built by Gerald Bull managed to lob one built by Gerald Bull managed to lob one built by Gerald Bull managed to lob a shell almost 120 mi straight up.

>> No one else had ever done it. >> No one else had ever done it. >> No one else has ever done it since. >> No one else has ever done it since. >> No one else has ever done it since. But then in 1967, the US and Canadian But then in 1967, the US and Canadian But then in 1967, the US and Canadian governments, which had been backing governments, which had been backing governments, which had been backing Bull's experiments, lost interest. The Bull's experiments, lost interest. The Bull's experiments, lost interest. The project collapsed. project collapsed. project collapsed. >> So Gerald Bull launched his own very >> So Gerald Bull launched his own very >> So Gerald Bull launched his own very lucrative business developing long range lucrative business developing long range lucrative business developing long range artillery for armies all over the world. artillery for armies all over the world. artillery for armies all over the world. >> And you know, all very legitimate, all >> And you know, all very legitimate, all >> And you know, all very legitimate, all backed up by by legitimate legitimate backed up by by legitimate legitimate backed up by by legitimate legitimate contract. contract. contract. >> Except that among his customers, it >> Except that among his customers, it >> Except that among his customers, it turned out, were the South Africans. turned out, were the South Africans. turned out, were the South Africans. and that violated the US embargo on and that violated the US embargo on and that violated the US embargo on weapon sales to Ptoria. So Bull, who had weapon sales to Ptoria. So Bull, who had weapon sales to Ptoria. So Bull, who had become a naturalized American, was become a naturalized American, was become a naturalized American, was hauled into court. And though there were hauled into court. And though there were hauled into court. And though there were convincing reports that the CIA may have convincing reports that the CIA may have convincing reports that the CIA may have also had a hand in those sales, Jerry also had a hand in those sales, Jerry also had a hand in those sales, Jerry Bull was convicted and sent off to 6 Bull was convicted and sent off to 6 Bull was convicted and sent off to 6 months in prison. months in prison. months in prison. >> Dr. Bull, have you had anything you want >> Dr. Bull, have you had anything you want >> Dr. Bull, have you had anything you want to say? to say? to say? >> Dr. Bull was obviously an angry, >> Dr. Bull was obviously an angry, >> Dr. Bull was obviously an angry, disappointed man. disappointed man. disappointed man. >> Uh those are mild terms. He was very >> Uh those are mild terms. He was very >> Uh those are mild terms. He was very angry at the US. Okay. He hated the US angry at the US. Okay. He hated the US angry at the US. Okay. He hated the US for what they had done to him.

for what they had done to him. for what they had done to him. >> He hated the US administration. >> He hated the US administration. >> He hated the US administration. >> Yeah. >> After he was released, Bull came here to >> After he was released, Bull came here to Brussels, made it the center of his Brussels, made it the center of his Brussels, made it the center of his operations, and he prospered here. Over operations, and he prospered here. Over operations, and he prospered here. Over the years, he put his genius at the the years, he put his genius at the the years, he put his genius at the service of countries from China to service of countries from China to service of countries from China to Thailand to Austria, enabling them to Thailand to Austria, enabling them to Thailand to Austria, enabling them to expand the range of their artillery. But expand the range of their artillery. But expand the range of their artillery. But all the while he remained obsessed with all the while he remained obsessed with all the while he remained obsessed with his idea of developing that super gun, his idea of developing that super gun, his idea of developing that super gun, that huge cannon that could hurl a that huge cannon that could hurl a that huge cannon that could hurl a projectile into space. projectile into space. projectile into space. And one of the first countries he tried And one of the first countries he tried And one of the first countries he tried to sell his idea to was an old customer to sell his idea to was an old customer to sell his idea to was an old customer of his, of his, of his, Israel. Israel. Israel. He came here He came here He came here as early as 1983 or even before and as early as 1983 or even before and as early as 1983 or even before and suggested to Israel the same gun that he suggested to Israel the same gun that he suggested to Israel the same gun that he tried to build for Saddam Hussein. tried to build for Saddam Hussein. tried to build for Saddam Hussein. >> The super gun. >> The super gun. >> The super gun. >> The super gun.

>> The super gun. >> The super gun. What I'm telling you was not revealed What I'm telling you was not revealed What I'm telling you was not revealed before, but the Israelis before, but the Israelis before, but the Israelis actually tried his idea actually tried his idea actually tried his idea >> for the super gun. >> for the super gun. >> for the super gun. >> Made a physibility test. Yes. [snorts] >> Made a physibility test. Yes. [snorts] >> Made a physibility test. Yes. [snorts] and and and >> came to the conclusion it won't work. >> came to the conclusion it won't work. >> came to the conclusion it won't work. They simply came to the conclusion that They simply came to the conclusion that They simply came to the conclusion that it won't work. it won't work. it won't work. >> So he went away disappointed >> So he went away disappointed >> So he went away disappointed >> and he went away disappointed. >> and he went away disappointed. >> and he went away disappointed. [music] >> But if Israel wasn't interested, Saddam >> But if Israel wasn't interested, Saddam Hussein certainly was. He had launched a Hussein certainly was. He had launched a Hussein certainly was. He had launched a huge military spending bin. huge military spending bin. huge military spending bin. >> Iraq was a a primary customer for >> Iraq was a a primary customer for >> Iraq was a a primary customer for everybody in the world. I mean they in everybody in the world. I mean they in everybody in the world. I mean they in in 1988 alone they bought $16 billion in 1988 alone they bought $16 billion in 1988 alone they bought $16 billion worth of military equipment. So at that worth of military equipment. So at that worth of military equipment. So at that time no embargo and everybody in their time no embargo and everybody in their time no embargo and everybody in their mother was wanting to sell to Iraq. Ironically the first thing Jerry Bull Ironically the first thing Jerry Bull sold to Iraq was the same sort of sold to Iraq was the same sort of sold to Iraq was the same sort of technology he had already sold to Israel technology he had already sold to Israel technology he had already sold to Israel that enabled Iraq's artillery to fire that enabled Iraq's artillery to fire that enabled Iraq's artillery to fire much further than the artillery of its much further than the artillery of its much further than the artillery of its enemies. And after that, the Iraqis enemies. And after that, the Iraqis enemies. And after that, the Iraqis offered to backpool's dream of a super offered to backpool's dream of a super offered to backpool's dream of a super gun.

gun. gun. >> He knew the United States and Canada >> He knew the United States and Canada >> He knew the United States and Canada would not fund it, but there was would not fund it, but there was would not fund it, but there was somebody in Iraq would fund it. He will somebody in Iraq would fund it. He will somebody in Iraq would fund it. He will go with it. He saw his role as a a go with it. He saw his role as a a go with it. He saw his role as a a scientist advancing the frontiers of scientist advancing the frontiers of scientist advancing the frontiers of technology. technology. technology. >> In fact, many experts agree. They scoff >> In fact, many experts agree. They scoff >> In fact, many experts agree. They scoff at the idea of anyone taking a huge and at the idea of anyone taking a huge and at the idea of anyone taking a huge and vulnerable super cannon seriously as a vulnerable super cannon seriously as a vulnerable super cannon seriously as a military weapon. military weapon. military weapon. >> Do you think that the Israelis were >> Do you think that the Israelis were >> Do you think that the Israelis were afraid of that gun being brought to afraid of that gun being brought to afraid of that gun being brought to completion? The big gun? completion? The big gun? completion? The big gun? >> Hell no. >> Hell no. >> Hell no. >> Chuck Bernard, Bull's old associate, >> Chuck Bernard, Bull's old associate, >> Chuck Bernard, Bull's old associate, thinks the cannon was exactly what Bull thinks the cannon was exactly what Bull thinks the cannon was exactly what Bull had always written about, something to had always written about, something to had always written about, something to put an object up in space. put an object up in space. put an object up in space. >> I don't think that was a gun. I think >> I don't think that was a gun. I think >> I don't think that was a gun. I think that was a device that was a device that was a device >> to >> to >> to >> to I think that was Jerry uh >> to I think that was Jerry uh >> to I think that was Jerry uh talking the Iraqis into believing that talking the Iraqis into believing that talking the Iraqis into believing that they could put science onto the desert they could put science onto the desert they could put science onto the desert floor for a low cost. floor for a low cost. floor for a low cost. >> But that is not how the media saw it >> But that is not how the media saw it >> But that is not how the media saw it last spring when British customs broke last spring when British customs broke last spring when British customs broke the news of the super gun.

the news of the super gun. the news of the super gun. The press in Britain and around the The press in Britain and around the The press in Britain and around the world had themselves a field day. The world had themselves a field day. The world had themselves a field day. The doomsday weapon, it was called, a weapon doomsday weapon, it was called, a weapon doomsday weapon, it was called, a weapon that could haul chemical or nuclear that could haul chemical or nuclear that could haul chemical or nuclear warheads hundreds of miles from Iraq, warheads hundreds of miles from Iraq, warheads hundreds of miles from Iraq, say to Israel. say to Israel. say to Israel. The Israelis have long worried that The Israelis have long worried that The Israelis have long worried that Saddam Hussein could launch a chemical Saddam Hussein could launch a chemical Saddam Hussein could launch a chemical attack. Their soldiers and civilians attack. Their soldiers and civilians attack. Their soldiers and civilians regularly train for it, and the super regularly train for it, and the super regularly train for it, and the super gun they feared would make that threat gun they feared would make that threat gun they feared would make that threat even greater. But what you're saying is even greater. But what you're saying is even greater. But what you're saying is that Israel took the gun seriously that Israel took the gun seriously that Israel took the gun seriously despite the feasibility test done on it despite the feasibility test done on it despite the feasibility test done on it here here here >> that it is not worthwhile for us. But >> that it is not worthwhile for us. But >> that it is not worthwhile for us. But here we have another guy who has here we have another guy who has here we have another guy who has billions of dollars and maybe billions of dollars and maybe billions of dollars and maybe if properly invested if properly invested if properly invested he could make a breakthrough. He Saddam he could make a breakthrough. He Saddam he could make a breakthrough. He Saddam Husseinald Husseinald Husseinald with Gerald Bull could make a with Gerald Bull could make a with Gerald Bull could make a breakthrough that the Israelis didn't breakthrough that the Israelis didn't breakthrough that the Israelis didn't think of think of think of >> and then Israel would be in in a big >> and then Israel would be in in a big >> and then Israel would be in in a big problem.

problem. problem. >> The Israelis have long seen Saddam >> The Israelis have long seen Saddam >> The Israelis have long seen Saddam Hussein as a big problem long before the Hussein as a big problem long before the Hussein as a big problem long before the US and the rest of the world focused on US and the rest of the world focused on US and the rest of the world focused on him. him. him. Gerald Bull could supply him with the Gerald Bull could supply him with the Gerald Bull could supply him with the single most important ingredient in his single most important ingredient in his single most important ingredient in his armament policy. armament policy. armament policy. >> And on a prestige level, >> And on a prestige level, >> And on a prestige level, >> I think it would have given him >> I think it would have given him >> I think it would have given him tremendous prestige. You see, people tremendous prestige. You see, people tremendous prestige. You see, people like toys and this is a magnificent toy. like toys and this is a magnificent toy. like toys and this is a magnificent toy. The Iraqis, I would say, would have The Iraqis, I would say, would have The Iraqis, I would say, would have admired their president for enabling admired their president for enabling admired their president for enabling them to be the Arab the the the nation them to be the Arab the the the nation them to be the Arab the the the nation that that has the largest gun in the that that has the largest gun in the that that has the largest gun in the world. world. world. What was official Washington's attitude What was official Washington's attitude What was official Washington's attitude in the 80s towards Saddam Hussein? The in the 80s towards Saddam Hussein? The in the 80s towards Saddam Hussein? The concern here was to prevent him from concern here was to prevent him from concern here was to prevent him from being overwhelmed by Kmeni's Iran in the being overwhelmed by Kmeni's Iran in the being overwhelmed by Kmeni's Iran in the Gulf War. As a result, the US turned a Gulf War. As a result, the US turned a Gulf War. As a result, the US turned a blind eye to military sales by other blind eye to military sales by other blind eye to military sales by other countries to Saddam Hussein. Not only countries to Saddam Hussein. Not only countries to Saddam Hussein. Not only that, there was no massive outcry over that, there was no massive outcry over that, there was no massive outcry over his use of poison gas. On the contrary, his use of poison gas. On the contrary, his use of poison gas. On the contrary, the US gave the Iraqis vital military the US gave the Iraqis vital military the US gave the Iraqis vital military intelligence. And Michelle Bull told us intelligence. And Michelle Bull told us intelligence. And Michelle Bull told us that when he came here in 1988 to advise that when he came here in 1988 to advise that when he came here in 1988 to advise the State Department's Office of the State Department's Office of the State Department's Office of Munitions Control about his father's Munitions Control about his father's Munitions Control about his father's plans to help Iraq increase the range of plans to help Iraq increase the range of plans to help Iraq increase the range of their artillery, the State Department their artillery, the State Department their artillery, the State Department told him they had no problem with that told him they had no problem with that told him they had no problem with that at all.

at all. at all. >> Did OMC, Office of Munitions Control in >> Did OMC, Office of Munitions Control in >> Did OMC, Office of Munitions Control in Washington, know what you were doing? Washington, know what you were doing? Washington, know what you were doing? selling guns. selling guns. selling guns. >> No, we did not sell guns. We sold >> No, we did not sell guns. We sold >> No, we did not sell guns. We sold engineering. engineering. engineering. >> Sold engineering to Saddam Hussein >> Sold engineering to Saddam Hussein >> Sold engineering to Saddam Hussein >> to to the Iraqis. And yes, the OMC was >> to to the Iraqis. And yes, the OMC was >> to to the Iraqis. And yes, the OMC was made aware of what we were doing. made aware of what we were doing. made aware of what we were doing. >> And what' they say? >> And what' they say? >> And what' they say? >> Fine. >> Fine. >> Fine. >> Saddam Hussein's secret super gun >> Saddam Hussein's secret super gun >> Saddam Hussein's secret super gun project had been discovered early on by project had been discovered early on by project had been discovered early on by Israeli intelligence. Israeli intelligence. Israeli intelligence. They tried to get other countries to They tried to get other countries to They tried to get other countries to help stop it. The problem was that no help stop it. The problem was that no help stop it. The problem was that no one paid attention to their warnings. one paid attention to their warnings. one paid attention to their warnings. And I can tell you that in the And I can tell you that in the And I can tell you that in the intelligence community in the world at intelligence community in the world at intelligence community in the world at the beginning, people refused to the beginning, people refused to the beginning, people refused to believe. believe. believe. >> Then last spring, according to one of >> Then last spring, according to one of >> Then last spring, according to one of Bull's closest associates, several men Bull's closest associates, several men Bull's closest associates, several men working on that program, including working on that program, including working on that program, including Gerald Bull himself, received threats Gerald Bull himself, received threats Gerald Bull himself, received threats telling them not to return to Iraq. That telling them not to return to Iraq. That telling them not to return to Iraq. That was just a few weeks before Gerald Bull was just a few weeks before Gerald Bull was just a few weeks before Gerald Bull was killed. So who killed Gerald Bull? was killed. So who killed Gerald Bull? was killed. So who killed Gerald Bull? [snorts] Speculation is that it is the [snorts] Speculation is that it is the [snorts] Speculation is that it is the Israelis. that it had the it had the the Israelis. that it had the it had the the Israelis. that it had the it had the the look the feel of an Israeli job, the uh look the feel of an Israeli job, the uh look the feel of an Israeli job, the uh the very quiet, professional way that he the very quiet, professional way that he the very quiet, professional way that he was taken out.

was taken out. was taken out. >> I would suggest that it is a >> I would suggest that it is a >> I would suggest that it is a possibility. I wouldn't count it out. possibility. I wouldn't count it out. possibility. I wouldn't count it out. >> I don't know for sure. I was not in the >> I don't know for sure. I was not in the >> I don't know for sure. I was not in the killing site killing site killing site while it happened, but I I hope it is while it happened, but I I hope it is while it happened, but I I hope it is the Israelis who did it. the Israelis who did it. the Israelis who did it. >> Who else? >> Who else? >> Who else? >> How about the Iranians? >> How about the Iranians? >> How about the Iranians? >> Why? Well, they knew this gun could >> Why? Well, they knew this gun could >> Why? Well, they knew this gun could easily turn in the direction of the easily turn in the direction of the easily turn in the direction of the Harrhan. No problem at all. Um, he Harrhan. No problem at all. Um, he Harrhan. No problem at all. Um, he Saddam Hussein and his armament program Saddam Hussein and his armament program Saddam Hussein and his armament program had many enemies. had many enemies. had many enemies. >> I think it he he was uh killed by the >> I think it he he was uh killed by the >> I think it he he was uh killed by the Iraqis. Iraqis. Iraqis. >> By the Iraqis. >> By the Iraqis. >> By the Iraqis. >> By the Iraqis. >> By the Iraqis. >> By the Iraqis. >> Israeli reporter Yosi Melman, an expert >> Israeli reporter Yosi Melman, an expert >> Israeli reporter Yosi Melman, an expert on Israeli intelligence. His on Israeli intelligence. His on Israeli intelligence. His speculation, bizarre though it may seem, speculation, bizarre though it may seem, speculation, bizarre though it may seem, is that Gerald Bull was a double agent, is that Gerald Bull was a double agent, is that Gerald Bull was a double agent, feeding military information about Iraq feeding military information about Iraq feeding military information about Iraq to the Israelis. to the Israelis. to the Israelis. >> Actually, Gerald B was double crossing >> Actually, Gerald B was double crossing >> Actually, Gerald B was double crossing Saddam Hussein and working for the Saddam Hussein and working for the Saddam Hussein and working for the Israeli intelligence while he was in Israeli intelligence while he was in Israeli intelligence while he was in Iraq involved in in this particular Iraq involved in in this particular Iraq involved in in this particular project. project. project. >> So in effect, he was an Israeli spy, but >> So in effect, he was an Israeli spy, but >> So in effect, he was an Israeli spy, but he was on the Iraqi payroll.

he was on the Iraqi payroll. he was on the Iraqi payroll. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> So instead of just taking him off the >> So instead of just taking him off the >> So instead of just taking him off the payroll, they killed him. Is that what payroll, they killed him. Is that what payroll, they killed him. Is that what you're saying? you're saying? you're saying? >> Yes. Because we are dealing with Saddam >> Yes. Because we are dealing with Saddam >> Yes. Because we are dealing with Saddam Hussein and his regime. Uh it's is not a Hussein and his regime. Uh it's is not a Hussein and his regime. Uh it's is not a [ __ ] cat. He kills people. [ __ ] cat. He kills people. [ __ ] cat. He kills people. >> This past week, Yosi Melman told us that >> This past week, Yosi Melman told us that >> This past week, Yosi Melman told us that his sources in Israel had told him it his sources in Israel had told him it his sources in Israel had told him it had to have been the Iraqis. Why? had to have been the Iraqis. Why? had to have been the Iraqis. Why? Because the Israeli Mossad has never Because the Israeli Mossad has never Because the Israeli Mossad has never targeted any Canadian or American targeted any Canadian or American targeted any Canadian or American citizen, nor would they. The political citizen, nor would they. The political citizen, nor would they. The political fallout would be too heavy. But when we fallout would be too heavy. But when we fallout would be too heavy. But when we put that to Israeli military put that to Israeli military put that to Israeli military correspondent Ron Beneshi, he flatly correspondent Ron Beneshi, he flatly correspondent Ron Beneshi, he flatly disagreed. It was the Israelis who did disagreed. It was the Israelis who did disagreed. It was the Israelis who did it, he says. And believe me, he added, it, he says. And believe me, he added, it, he says. And believe me, he added, "My view is more than just informed "My view is more than just informed "My view is more than just informed speculation. Nothing galvanizes a police force like Nothing galvanizes a police force like the killing of a cop. A buddy is dead. the killing of a cop. A buddy is dead. the killing of a cop. A buddy is dead. It could happen to any of them. So, go It could happen to any of them. So, go It could happen to any of them. So, go get the killer." In New Orleans, get the killer." In New Orleans, get the killer." In New Orleans, somebody killed Officer Gregory Newport. somebody killed Officer Gregory Newport. somebody killed Officer Gregory Newport. The police swung into action. In The police swung into action. In The police swung into action. In situations like that, cops are situations like that, cops are situations like that, cops are frequently accused of breaking the frequently accused of breaking the frequently accused of breaking the rules, of violating rights, of shooting rules, of violating rights, of shooting rules, of violating rights, of shooting too fast. Is that what happened one too fast. Is that what happened one too fast. Is that what happened one night in a black neighborhood in a part night in a black neighborhood in a part night in a black neighborhood in a part of New Orleans called Alers? As they of New Orleans called Alers? As they of New Orleans called Alers? As they searched for Newport's killer, were the searched for Newport's killer, were the searched for Newport's killer, were the police sure they had the right men and police sure they had the right men and police sure they had the right men and no choice but to kill them? Alers is no choice but to kill them? Alers is no choice but to kill them? Alers is split off from the rest of New Orleans split off from the rest of New Orleans split off from the rest of New Orleans by the Mississippi River. Once this area by the Mississippi River. Once this area by the Mississippi River. Once this area was laced with canals that made it a was laced with canals that made it a was laced with canals that made it a safe haven for pirates. Today, Alers is

safe haven for pirates. Today, Alers is safe haven for pirates. Today, Alers is home for both blacks and whites. Our home for both blacks and whites. Our home for both blacks and whites. Our focus is on the poor black enclave that focus is on the poor black enclave that focus is on the poor black enclave that lies in the shadow of the Mississippi lies in the shadow of the Mississippi lies in the shadow of the Mississippi River Bridge and on the events that River Bridge and on the events that River Bridge and on the events that began at about 1:00 on the morning of began at about 1:00 on the morning of began at about 1:00 on the morning of November 8th, 1980. November 8th, 1980. November 8th, 1980. At around 1:15 that morning, a New At around 1:15 that morning, a New At around 1:15 that morning, a New Orleans policeman drove slowly along Orleans policeman drove slowly along Orleans policeman drove slowly along Nuna Street here in his squad car until Nuna Street here in his squad car until Nuna Street here in his squad car until he suddenly came upon another New he suddenly came upon another New he suddenly came upon another New Orleans Police Department squad car, Orleans Police Department squad car, Orleans Police Department squad car, pulled off the road the way our car is pulled off the road the way our car is pulled off the road the way our car is right here. right here. right here. The squad car's door was open and right The squad car's door was open and right The squad car's door was open and right down there lay the body of officer down there lay the body of officer down there lay the body of officer Gregory Newert. He was shot through the Gregory Newert. He was shot through the Gregory Newert. He was shot through the neck, bleeding to death. Why was officer neck, bleeding to death. Why was officer neck, bleeding to death. Why was officer Newert here? That is a puzzle now as it Newert here? That is a puzzle now as it Newert here? That is a puzzle now as it was then when WWLTV made these pictures was then when WWLTV made these pictures was then when WWLTV made these pictures the night that Newport was killed. And the night that Newport was killed. And the night that Newport was killed. And why, for instance, had Officer Newert why, for instance, had Officer Newert why, for instance, had Officer Newert not called in his whereabouts to police not called in his whereabouts to police not called in his whereabouts to police headquarters? Was he making an arrest? headquarters? Was he making an arrest? headquarters? Was he making an arrest? If so, why was his gun still in its If so, why was his gun still in its If so, why was his gun still in its holster when he died? No explanation for holster when he died? No explanation for holster when he died? No explanation for any of that then or now? And why did any of that then or now? And why did any of that then or now? And why did police find evidence of narcotics, a police find evidence of narcotics, a police find evidence of narcotics, a syringe on the ground near his body?

syringe on the ground near his body? syringe on the ground near his body? Nobody knows. Question: Who killed Nobody knows. Question: Who killed Nobody knows. Question: Who killed Gregory Newert? To a lot of people, Gregory Newert? To a lot of people, Gregory Newert? To a lot of people, that's still a mystery. The police say that's still a mystery. The police say that's still a mystery. The police say they know that it was two black men they know that it was two black men they know that it was two black men named James Billy and Regginal Miles. named James Billy and Regginal Miles. named James Billy and Regginal Miles. The police have sworn affidavit from two The police have sworn affidavit from two The police have sworn affidavit from two other black men who fingered Billy and other black men who fingered Billy and other black men who fingered Billy and Miles. How they got those affidavit Miles. How they got those affidavit Miles. How they got those affidavit we'll come back to later for it's a we'll come back to later for it's a we'll come back to later for it's a critical part of our story. As for Billy critical part of our story. As for Billy critical part of our story. As for Billy and Miles, this is James Billy. Both had and Miles, this is James Billy. Both had and Miles, this is James Billy. Both had been arrested before. Miles arrests had been arrested before. Miles arrests had been arrested before. Miles arrests had included one for aggravated assault, but included one for aggravated assault, but included one for aggravated assault, but neither of them had ever been convicted neither of them had ever been convicted neither of them had ever been convicted nor had served time. nor had served time. nor had served time. >> 5 days later at 2:45 in the morning, New >> 5 days later at 2:45 in the morning, New >> 5 days later at 2:45 in the morning, New Orleans police break into that house, Orleans police break into that house, Orleans police break into that house, James Billy's house. Billy is in bed James Billy's house. Billy is in bed James Billy's house. Billy is in bed with his common law wife, Kim Landry. with his common law wife, Kim Landry. with his common law wife, Kim Landry. Their child, Tori, is then two months Their child, Tori, is then two months Their child, Tori, is then two months old. old. old. >> And they say police officers, nobody >> And they say police officers, nobody >> And they say police officers, nobody don't move. don't move. don't move. >> How many police officers do you >> How many police officers do you >> How many police officers do you remember? remember? remember? >> About five or six of them. >> About five or six of them. >> About five or six of them. >> The official police version is that when >> The official police version is that when >> The official police version is that when they broke into the Billy house with a they broke into the Billy house with a they broke into the Billy house with a proper warrant, James Billy had a gun proper warrant, James Billy had a gun proper warrant, James Billy had a gun and began shooting, and began shooting, and began shooting, >> but his widow has a different version.

>> but his widow has a different version. >> but his widow has a different version. >> And when they came in, one of them came >> And when they came in, one of them came >> And when they came in, one of them came over and he got grabbed my arm. not over and he got grabbed my arm. not over and he got grabbed my arm. not abusive like you know and he escorted me abusive like you know and he escorted me abusive like you know and he escorted me and a baby out here but as I was leaving and a baby out here but as I was leaving and a baby out here but as I was leaving the bed they had one of the officers had the bed they had one of the officers had the bed they had one of the officers had picked James up and put him upside the picked James up and put him upside the picked James up and put him upside the wall and all the officers was around wall and all the officers was around wall and all the officers was around him. Ain't no way that he could have him. Ain't no way that he could have him. Ain't no way that he could have gotten loose in that small house with gotten loose in that small house with gotten loose in that small house with all them officers around him because it all them officers around him because it all them officers around him because it didn't take but one to bring the baby didn't take but one to bring the baby didn't take but one to bring the baby and I to the car and the rest of them and I to the car and the rest of them and I to the car and the rest of them remained inside. remained inside. remained inside. >> So there were four or five in there with >> So there were four or five in there with >> So there were four or five in there with this one man, this one man, this one man, >> right? and he was spread eagled against >> right? and he was spread eagled against >> right? and he was spread eagled against the wall the wall the wall >> right when I left. That's the position >> right when I left. That's the position >> right when I left. That's the position he was in. They put me and the baby he was in. They put me and the baby he was in. They put me and the baby inside the car and I heard the shots as inside the car and I heard the shots as inside the car and I heard the shots as I was getting ready to open the the door I was getting ready to open the the door I was getting ready to open the the door to get into the car. I heard the shots. to get into the car. I heard the shots. to get into the car. I heard the shots. >> Did he have a gun inside? >> Did he have a gun inside? >> Did he have a gun inside? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> You swear that >> You swear that >> You swear that >> I swear. >> I swear. >> I swear. >> At just about the same time, other >> At just about the same time, other >> At just about the same time, other police officers broke into the regal police officers broke into the regal police officers broke into the regal Miles home back there. He was in bed Miles home back there. He was in bed Miles home back there. He was in bed with his wife Sheree Singleton. Police with his wife Sheree Singleton. Police with his wife Sheree Singleton. Police say that Miles and Singleton were armed say that Miles and Singleton were armed say that Miles and Singleton were armed when the officers came in. On the other when the officers came in. On the other when the officers came in. On the other bed in this tiny room was their son, bed in this tiny room was their son, bed in this tiny room was their son, Cornell, then four years old. He saw it Cornell, then four years old. He saw it Cornell, then four years old. He saw it all happen. Regginal Miles died on the all happen. Regginal Miles died on the all happen. Regginal Miles died on the floor next to the bed. Sheree Singleton floor next to the bed. Sheree Singleton floor next to the bed. Sheree Singleton ran to the bathroom and died in the ran to the bathroom and died in the ran to the bathroom and died in the bathtub. The woman shown here is an bathtub. The woman shown here is an bathtub. The woman shown here is an attorney who made these tapes 2 days attorney who made these tapes 2 days attorney who made these tapes 2 days after the shootings. These pictures may after the shootings. These pictures may after the shootings. These pictures may be evidence in civil suits for millions be evidence in civil suits for millions be evidence in civil suits for millions of dollars in damages against the city of dollars in damages against the city of dollars in damages against the city and the police. Suits by the survivors

and the police. Suits by the survivors and the police. Suits by the survivors of Singleton and Miles. Gwen Hills lived of Singleton and Miles. Gwen Hills lived of Singleton and Miles. Gwen Hills lived in the house next door and she tells in the house next door and she tells in the house next door and she tells what she heard. what she heard. what she heard. >> I heard a noise like the door was being >> I heard a noise like the door was being >> I heard a noise like the door was being kicked in. Then I heard a rumbling noise kicked in. Then I heard a rumbling noise kicked in. Then I heard a rumbling noise like like somebody was trying to run. like like somebody was trying to run. like like somebody was trying to run. Okay, that's when I heard Sher Singleton Okay, that's when I heard Sher Singleton Okay, that's when I heard Sher Singleton say, "Please don't shoot me." Okay. say, "Please don't shoot me." Okay. say, "Please don't shoot me." Okay. After Sherry said, "Please don't shoot After Sherry said, "Please don't shoot After Sherry said, "Please don't shoot me." That's when the gun gunshots went me." That's when the gun gunshots went me." That's when the gun gunshots went off. off. off. >> Four-year-old Cornell survived the >> Four-year-old Cornell survived the >> Four-year-old Cornell survived the shooting and soon afterward told a shooting and soon afterward told a shooting and soon afterward told a neighbor what he'd seen. neighbor what he'd seen. neighbor what he'd seen. >> Little boy told me how his daddy was on >> Little boy told me how his daddy was on >> Little boy told me how his daddy was on the floor to come in and shot him, then the floor to come in and shot him, then the floor to come in and shot him, then he went in the bathroom and killed his he went in the bathroom and killed his he went in the bathroom and killed his mama. Simple as that, man. mama. Simple as that, man. mama. Simple as that, man. >> In addition to news of the shootings >> In addition to news of the shootings >> In addition to news of the shootings themselves, what quickly swept through themselves, what quickly swept through themselves, what quickly swept through Black Alers was stories of how the Black Alers was stories of how the Black Alers was stories of how the police behaved after the shootings. the police behaved after the shootings. the police behaved after the shootings. the girlfriend of mine. girlfriend of mine. girlfriend of mine. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> She and her daughter, they were sitting >> She and her daughter, they were sitting >> She and her daughter, they were sitting out on the front porch. I'm telling you out on the front porch. I'm telling you out on the front porch. I'm telling you what she told me. The house lit up like what she told me. The house lit up like what she told me. The house lit up like Vietnam. Vietnam. Vietnam. >> She said when they came out, it was just >> She said when they came out, it was just >> She said when they came out, it was just like a like like like a a Fourth of July like a like like like a a Fourth of July like a like like like a a Fourth of July party. party. party. >> This is the cops congratulating each >> This is the cops congratulating each >> This is the cops congratulating each other.

other. other. >> Congratulating each other. I mean, >> Congratulating each other. I mean, >> Congratulating each other. I mean, saying we did a a well done job or a saying we did a a well done job or a saying we did a a well done job or a good job or we did what we had to do, good job or we did what we had to do, good job or we did what we had to do, you know, like if they was going to get you know, like if they was going to get you know, like if they was going to get a big reward for for whatever they done. a big reward for for whatever they done. a big reward for for whatever they done. Who shot Miles, Billy, and Singleton? Who shot Miles, Billy, and Singleton? Who shot Miles, Billy, and Singleton? These men did. New Orleans policemen who These men did. New Orleans policemen who These men did. New Orleans policemen who went into those houses. That their guns went into those houses. That their guns went into those houses. That their guns were fired is not in dispute. A total of were fired is not in dispute. A total of were fired is not in dispute. A total of 32 rounds during both raids. What is in 32 rounds during both raids. What is in 32 rounds during both raids. What is in dispute is whether they had to shoot, dispute is whether they had to shoot, dispute is whether they had to shoot, whether, as they claim, they had to fire whether, as they claim, they had to fire whether, as they claim, they had to fire in self-defense. in self-defense. in self-defense. Mary Howell is the attorney representing Mary Howell is the attorney representing Mary Howell is the attorney representing relatives of the shooting victims. relatives of the shooting victims. relatives of the shooting victims. I think what this whole thing about is I think what this whole thing about is I think what this whole thing about is about about about a police department that went berserk, a police department that went berserk, a police department that went berserk, that just went crazy when an officer got that just went crazy when an officer got that just went crazy when an officer got killed. And I think that at some point killed. And I think that at some point killed. And I think that at some point somewhere a decision was made that they somewhere a decision was made that they somewhere a decision was made that they were either unable or unwilling to find were either unable or unwilling to find were either unable or unwilling to find out who killed that police officer. And out who killed that police officer. And out who killed that police officer. And instead, they settled for what for them, instead, they settled for what for them, instead, they settled for what for them, I think, was second best, but was still I think, was second best, but was still I think, was second best, but was still enough, which was that someone somewhere enough, which was that someone somewhere enough, which was that someone somewhere was going to pay for it. A police was going to pay for it. A police was going to pay for it. A police officer was dead, someone's gonna pay officer was dead, someone's gonna pay officer was dead, someone's gonna pay for it. It's an unwritten law.

for it. It's an unwritten law. for it. It's an unwritten law. >> Blacks and some whites took to the >> Blacks and some whites took to the >> Blacks and some whites took to the streets after the shootings by the streets after the shootings by the streets after the shootings by the police. While a state grand jury started police. While a state grand jury started police. While a state grand jury started investigating, the demonstrators feared investigating, the demonstrators feared investigating, the demonstrators feared the justice would not be done, that the justice would not be done, that the justice would not be done, that there would be no indictment, that the there would be no indictment, that the there would be no indictment, that the police would go scot-free. police would go scot-free. police would go scot-free. The city held special riot training for The city held special riot training for The city held special riot training for its police against the chance that its police against the chance that its police against the chance that blacks would indeed riot if the police blacks would indeed riot if the police blacks would indeed riot if the police were not indicted. Well, there was no were not indicted. Well, there was no were not indicted. Well, there was no indictment and there was no rioting, indictment and there was no rioting, indictment and there was no rioting, just a deep resentment among blacks here just a deep resentment among blacks here just a deep resentment among blacks here against what they felt was gross police against what they felt was gross police against what they felt was gross police brutality and that apparently there brutality and that apparently there brutality and that apparently there would be no punishment for it. The would be no punishment for it. The would be no punishment for it. The district attorney who put that case to district attorney who put that case to district attorney who put that case to the grand jury is Harry Kik. the grand jury is Harry Kik. the grand jury is Harry Kik. Who killed officer Gregory Newport? Who killed officer Gregory Newport? Who killed officer Gregory Newport? >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. Well, apparently the New Orleans Police Well, apparently the New Orleans Police Well, apparently the New Orleans Police Department knew because they went in and Department knew because they went in and Department knew because they went in and looking for James Billy and Regginal looking for James Billy and Regginal looking for James Billy and Regginal Miles and wound up killing them. Miles and wound up killing them. Miles and wound up killing them. >> I think you're confusing uh what the >> I think you're confusing uh what the >> I think you're confusing uh what the police need to make an arrest and what a police need to make an arrest and what a police need to make an arrest and what a prosecutor needs to indict somebody or a prosecutor needs to indict somebody or a prosecutor needs to indict somebody or a grand jury needs to indict somebody and grand jury needs to indict somebody and grand jury needs to indict somebody and to bring to a court and ask for a to bring to a court and ask for a to bring to a court and ask for a conviction.

conviction. conviction. >> Is it reasonable to suggest that James >> Is it reasonable to suggest that James >> Is it reasonable to suggest that James Billy and Regginal Miles had a hand in Billy and Regginal Miles had a hand in Billy and Regginal Miles had a hand in it? it? it? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Why? >> Why? >> Why? The evidence that we have and that that The evidence that we have and that that The evidence that we have and that that that I was informed about indicates to that I was informed about indicates to that I was informed about indicates to us that they were the perpetrators. us that they were the perpetrators. us that they were the perpetrators. >> What evidence? >> What evidence? >> What evidence? >> Evidence that was presented to the grand >> Evidence that was presented to the grand >> Evidence that was presented to the grand jury. jury. jury. >> What evidence? >> What evidence? >> What evidence? >> Well, I'm not going to go into grand >> Well, I'm not going to go into grand >> Well, I'm not going to go into grand jury testimony because under Louisiana jury testimony because under Louisiana jury testimony because under Louisiana law, that's secret. As you I think well law, that's secret. As you I think well law, that's secret. As you I think well know. know. know. >> Among the people who refuse to talk to >> Among the people who refuse to talk to >> Among the people who refuse to talk to us about this matter are the policemen us about this matter are the policemen us about this matter are the policemen involved. The former police chief, the involved. The former police chief, the involved. The former police chief, the present police chief, and the mayor of present police chief, and the mayor of present police chief, and the mayor of New Orleans. Each one says that he is New Orleans. Each one says that he is New Orleans. Each one says that he is involved one way or another in one or involved one way or another in one or involved one way or another in one or another of the cases currently pending. another of the cases currently pending. another of the cases currently pending. >> Detective Ron Canatella is not involved >> Detective Ron Canatella is not involved >> Detective Ron Canatella is not involved in the case, but he is president of the in the case, but he is president of the in the case, but he is president of the Police Association of New Orleans, and Police Association of New Orleans, and Police Association of New Orleans, and he defends what the police did that he defends what the police did that he defends what the police did that night. night. night. >> It's much, much more effective to go in >> It's much, much more effective to go in >> It's much, much more effective to go in in the wee hours of the morning, in the wee hours of the morning, in the wee hours of the morning, hopefully catch the suspect sleeping, hopefully catch the suspect sleeping, hopefully catch the suspect sleeping, and take him without incident. that has and take him without incident. that has and take him without incident. that has proven effective throughout this country proven effective throughout this country proven effective throughout this country thousands of times. You know, in this thousands of times. You know, in this thousands of times. You know, in this particular incident, it's unfortunate.

particular incident, it's unfortunate. particular incident, it's unfortunate. The people were not sleeping. The police The people were not sleeping. The police The people were not sleeping. The police officers went in and were met with officers went in and were met with officers went in and were met with gunfire. gunfire. gunfire. >> Who said? Well, the matter was >> Who said? Well, the matter was >> Who said? Well, the matter was investigated by the police department, investigated by the police department, investigated by the police department, by the Internal Affairs Division, by the by the Internal Affairs Division, by the by the Internal Affairs Division, by the District Attorney's Office, by the FBI, District Attorney's Office, by the FBI, District Attorney's Office, by the FBI, by the United States Attorney's Office, by the United States Attorney's Office, by the United States Attorney's Office, >> and they're all satisfied. >> and they're all satisfied. >> and they're all satisfied. >> And you know, I haven't seen anyone >> And you know, I haven't seen anyone >> And you know, I haven't seen anyone charged with any wrongdoing as a result charged with any wrongdoing as a result charged with any wrongdoing as a result of that house and that raid to pick up of that house and that raid to pick up of that house and that raid to pick up those people responsible for the killing those people responsible for the killing those people responsible for the killing of a police officer. But the question of a police officer. But the question of a police officer. But the question remains, could those police have used remains, could those police have used remains, could those police have used other tactics to minimize force? other tactics to minimize force? other tactics to minimize force? >> A veteran officer was stationed outside >> A veteran officer was stationed outside >> A veteran officer was stationed outside the Billy House that night. He is former the Billy House that night. He is former the Billy House that night. He is former detective Raymond Reed. detective Raymond Reed. detective Raymond Reed. >> The question is, were these police raids >> The question is, were these police raids >> The question is, were these police raids really necessary, middle of the night? really necessary, middle of the night? really necessary, middle of the night? >> If I would have been in charge, I can >> If I would have been in charge, I can >> If I would have been in charge, I can only say that if I was have been in only say that if I was have been in only say that if I was have been in charge, it wouldn't have been uh the charge, it wouldn't have been uh the charge, it wouldn't have been uh the raid wouldn't have happened that way. Uh raid wouldn't have happened that way. Uh raid wouldn't have happened that way. Uh I would have have tried to pick them up I would have have tried to pick them up I would have have tried to pick them up earlier in the daytime. uh to minimize earlier in the daytime. uh to minimize earlier in the daytime. uh to minimize the of any to minimize the possibility the of any to minimize the possibility the of any to minimize the possibility of anyone getting hurt.

of anyone getting hurt. of anyone getting hurt. >> After the shooting, Reed went into the >> After the shooting, Reed went into the >> After the shooting, Reed went into the Billy house. He cannot tell all he knows Billy house. He cannot tell all he knows Billy house. He cannot tell all he knows because he is still investigating the because he is still investigating the because he is still investigating the policemen who were there in his new job policemen who were there in his new job policemen who were there in his new job as assistant director of the city's as assistant director of the city's as assistant director of the city's office of municipal investigation. But office of municipal investigation. But office of municipal investigation. But what he can say raises questions whether what he can say raises questions whether what he can say raises questions whether the gun in James Billy's hand really the gun in James Billy's hand really the gun in James Billy's hand really belonged to Billy. We've already heard belonged to Billy. We've already heard belonged to Billy. We've already heard his widow say that Billy had no gun. We his widow say that Billy had no gun. We his widow say that Billy had no gun. We asked Detective Reed if there was a asked Detective Reed if there was a asked Detective Reed if there was a police officer near James Billy who had police officer near James Billy who had police officer near James Billy who had been shot and was on the floor but was been shot and was on the floor but was been shot and was on the floor but was still alive. still alive. still alive. >> Yes, it was. >> Yes, it was. >> Yes, it was. >> Who was that police officer? >> Who was that police officer? >> Who was that police officer? >> I'm not at liberty to say. >> I'm not at liberty to say. >> I'm not at liberty to say. >> What was he doing? Did he have his hand >> What was he doing? Did he have his hand >> What was he doing? Did he have his hand near that gun? >> I'll go on to another question. If you >> I'll go on to another question. If you had been the police officer kneeling by had been the police officer kneeling by had been the police officer kneeling by Billy who was still alive, would you Billy who was still alive, would you Billy who was still alive, would you have left that gun in his hand? have left that gun in his hand? have left that gun in his hand? >> I would have uh removed the uh gun from >> I would have uh removed the uh gun from >> I would have uh removed the uh gun from uh his hand uh for my protection and uh his hand uh for my protection and uh his hand uh for my protection and also protection of anyone else that was also protection of anyone else that was also protection of anyone else that was in that room. So conceivably a police in that room. So conceivably a police in that room. So conceivably a police officer who did not remove that a officer who did not remove that a officer who did not remove that a properly trained police officer who did properly trained police officer who did properly trained police officer who did not remove that gun from the hand of not remove that gun from the hand of not remove that gun from the hand of James Billy who was still alive James Billy who was still alive James Billy who was still alive conceivably he could have been conceivably he could have been conceivably he could have been trying to drop a gun plant a gun.

trying to drop a gun plant a gun. trying to drop a gun plant a gun. >> I'm not at liberty to answer that. >> I'm not at liberty to answer that. >> I'm not at liberty to answer that. >> The truth of what happened in those two >> The truth of what happened in those two >> The truth of what happened in those two police raids may never be known but police raids may never be known but police raids may never be known but there is some controversy whether the there is some controversy whether the there is some controversy whether the police should ever have sought James police should ever have sought James police should ever have sought James Billy and Reginal Miles in the first Billy and Reginal Miles in the first Billy and Reginal Miles in the first place. Should they have been suspects in place. Should they have been suspects in place. Should they have been suspects in the killing of Officer Newert? The the killing of Officer Newert? The the killing of Officer Newert? The police had brought a score of blacks police had brought a score of blacks police had brought a score of blacks here to police headquarters for here to police headquarters for here to police headquarters for questioning. Two of them swore that they questioning. Two of them swore that they questioning. Two of them swore that they had seen Miles and Billy near the had seen Miles and Billy near the had seen Miles and Billy near the Newport killing scene. Newport killing scene. Newport killing scene. >> Now they say they lied. And this is one >> Now they say they lied. And this is one >> Now they say they lied. And this is one of them, Robert Davis. He said he only of them, Robert Davis. He said he only of them, Robert Davis. He said he only swore that he had seen Miles and Billy swore that he had seen Miles and Billy swore that he had seen Miles and Billy because the police beat him during because the police beat him during because the police beat him during questioning. Then they start beating me, questioning. Then they start beating me, questioning. Then they start beating me, punching me, asking me did was I ready punching me, asking me did was I ready punching me, asking me did was I ready to tell them who did it? to tell them who did it? to tell them who did it? >> How bad did they beat you? >> How bad did they beat you? >> How bad did they beat you? >> Bad enough. >> Bad enough. >> Bad enough. >> How bad? >> How bad? >> How bad? >> Had my neck swole, my jaw sw. >> Had my neck swole, my jaw sw. >> Had my neck swole, my jaw sw. >> What they hit you with? >> What they hit you with? >> What they hit you with? >> Fists. >> Fists. >> Fists. >> Yep. With his fist. And then they one of >> Yep. With his fist. And then they one of >> Yep. With his fist. And then they one of them had old plastic bag.

them had old plastic bag. them had old plastic bag. They put that over my head and hold it. They put that over my head and hold it. They put that over my head and hold it. >> A plastic bag? >> A plastic bag? >> A plastic bag? >> Yeah. So that you couldn't breathe. >> Yeah. So that you couldn't breathe. >> Yeah. So that you couldn't breathe. >> I got the scuff and bite that even >> I got the scuff and bite that even >> I got the scuff and bite that even though I couldn't tell cuz my hand was though I couldn't tell cuz my hand was though I couldn't tell cuz my hand was tied to the chair. tied to the chair. tied to the chair. >> They kept asking me who did it. Who did >> They kept asking me who did it. Who did >> They kept asking me who did it. Who did it? And she ready to tell us who did it. it? And she ready to tell us who did it. it? And she ready to tell us who did it. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> I told him >> I told him >> I told him >> he still didn't know. >> he still didn't know. >> he still didn't know. >> Nope. >> Nope. >> Nope. >> Those beatings, Davis says, took place >> Those beatings, Davis says, took place >> Those beatings, Davis says, took place at police headquarters. Then he says he at police headquarters. Then he says he at police headquarters. Then he says he was brought to this bridge over a creek was brought to this bridge over a creek was brought to this bridge over a creek in Alers in the dead of night and in Alers in the dead of night and in Alers in the dead of night and questioned yet again with a shotgun at questioned yet again with a shotgun at questioned yet again with a shotgun at his head. his head. his head. You thought you were about to go? Well, You thought you were about to go? Well, You thought you were about to go? Well, >> that's the only thing I thought. I >> that's the only thing I thought. I >> that's the only thing I thought. I didn't have no choice but to throw a gun didn't have no choice but to throw a gun didn't have no choice but to throw a gun at my head in there and nobody seen who at my head in there and nobody seen who at my head in there and nobody seen who what went down. Nobody seen when he what went down. Nobody seen when he what went down. Nobody seen when he picked me up or nothing. picked me up or nothing. picked me up or nothing. I didn't have no other choice but to I didn't have no other choice but to I didn't have no other choice but to think. think. think. >> So, under those circumstances, you said, >> So, under those circumstances, you said, >> So, under those circumstances, you said, "Okay, I'll sign." "Okay, I'll sign." "Okay, I'll sign." >> I have no other choice but to sign. >> I have no other choice but to sign. >> I have no other choice but to sign. >> And the only reason you signed it was >> And the only reason you signed it was >> And the only reason you signed it was because you were getting beat up on because you were getting beat up on because you were getting beat up on >> and torture. I will call them.

>> and torture. I will call them. >> and torture. I will call them. >> The other man who gave sworn >> The other man who gave sworn >> The other man who gave sworn identification to the police was Johnny identification to the police was Johnny identification to the police was Johnny Brownley and he told us that he had lied Brownley and he told us that he had lied Brownley and he told us that he had lied like Davis only because the police beat like Davis only because the police beat like Davis only because the police beat him. In addition, a black police officer him. In addition, a black police officer him. In addition, a black police officer named Orus Buckner says he not only saw named Orus Buckner says he not only saw named Orus Buckner says he not only saw the beatings but took part in them to the beatings but took part in them to the beatings but took part in them to try to win acceptance from his white try to win acceptance from his white try to win acceptance from his white fellow officers. Butner with his fellow officers. Butner with his fellow officers. Butner with his attorney here has been given immunity attorney here has been given immunity attorney here has been given immunity from prosecution in the beatings, but he from prosecution in the beatings, but he from prosecution in the beatings, but he refused to talk to us because he is refused to talk to us because he is refused to talk to us because he is still on the force with officers he has still on the force with officers he has still on the force with officers he has named. He told about the beatings before named. He told about the beatings before named. He told about the beatings before both federal and state grand juries both federal and state grand juries both federal and state grand juries investigating seven New Orleans investigating seven New Orleans investigating seven New Orleans policemen, these among them, for policemen, these among them, for policemen, these among them, for brutality toward a number of blacks. brutality toward a number of blacks. brutality toward a number of blacks. In New Orleans, a major question that In New Orleans, a major question that In New Orleans, a major question that hangs over this case is why a federal hangs over this case is why a federal hangs over this case is why a federal grand jury produced indictments of grand jury produced indictments of grand jury produced indictments of police for those beatings. The trial is police for those beatings. The trial is police for those beatings. The trial is coming soon, but district attorney Conic coming soon, but district attorney Conic coming soon, but district attorney Conic could not get an indictment from his could not get an indictment from his could not get an indictment from his state grand jury. state grand jury. state grand jury. >> In the case of Brownley, John Brownley >> In the case of Brownley, John Brownley >> In the case of Brownley, John Brownley and Robert Davis, are you satisfied that and Robert Davis, are you satisfied that and Robert Davis, are you satisfied that they were indeed beaten by the police? they were indeed beaten by the police? they were indeed beaten by the police? >> No, not at all.

>> No, not at all. >> No, not at all. >> You're not? >> You're not? >> You're not? >> Not at all. >> Not at all. >> Not at all. >> What I'm saying is is that they made >> What I'm saying is is that they made >> What I'm saying is is that they made allegations that they were beaten. The allegations that they were beaten. The allegations that they were beaten. The Arlington Parish grand jury after Arlington Parish grand jury after Arlington Parish grand jury after hearing that evidence concluded that hearing that evidence concluded that hearing that evidence concluded that there was no evidence of criminal there was no evidence of criminal there was no evidence of criminal wrongdoing. And you yourself personally wrongdoing. And you yourself personally wrongdoing. And you yourself personally believe that Davis and Brownley were not believe that Davis and Brownley were not believe that Davis and Brownley were not beaten by the police? beaten by the police? beaten by the police? >> I'm not satisfied that they were. No, I >> I'm not satisfied that they were. No, I >> I'm not satisfied that they were. No, I am not satisfied that they were beaten. am not satisfied that they were beaten. am not satisfied that they were beaten. >> In other words, you're saying they were >> In other words, you're saying they were >> In other words, you're saying they were not beaten. not beaten. not beaten. >> I can say that. >> I can say that. >> I can say that. >> Why the state grand jury decided not to >> Why the state grand jury decided not to >> Why the state grand jury decided not to indict either on the killings or the indict either on the killings or the indict either on the killings or the beatings is forever sealed in the jury beatings is forever sealed in the jury beatings is forever sealed in the jury records. DA KI defends both the grand records. DA KI defends both the grand records. DA KI defends both the grand jury and the case he set before it. I'm jury and the case he set before it. I'm jury and the case he set before it. I'm satisfied that we had a thorough satisfied that we had a thorough satisfied that we had a thorough investigation. investigation. investigation. We had a competent, fair-minded, We had a competent, fair-minded, We had a competent, fair-minded, representative grand jury and that all representative grand jury and that all representative grand jury and that all of the evidence that could, I think, of the evidence that could, I think, of the evidence that could, I think, humanly be gathered was gathered and humanly be gathered was gathered and humanly be gathered was gathered and presented to that grand jury. presented to that grand jury. presented to that grand jury. >> So, where does all this stand now? No >> So, where does all this stand now? No >> So, where does all this stand now? No charges against any of the police in charges against any of the police in charges against any of the police in Louisiana state court, but in federal Louisiana state court, but in federal Louisiana state court, but in federal court there, seven New Orleans policemen court there, seven New Orleans policemen court there, seven New Orleans policemen go on trial February 7th for beating go on trial February 7th for beating go on trial February 7th for beating four people, including Brownley and four people, including Brownley and four people, including Brownley and Davis. All the officers involved are Davis. All the officers involved are Davis. All the officers involved are still on active duty. One further note, still on active duty. One further note, still on active duty. One further note, a new study by the Department of Justice a new study by the Department of Justice a new study by the Department of Justice shows that in recent years, considering shows that in recent years, considering shows that in recent years, considering the size of their police force, New the size of their police force, New the size of their police force, New Orleans cops have killed more people Orleans cops have killed more people Orleans cops have killed more people than police in any other city in the than police in any other city in the than police in any other city in the country.

Five months ago, there was a murder in a Five months ago, there was a murder in a quiet suburb of San Francisco. A murder quiet suburb of San Francisco. A murder quiet suburb of San Francisco. A murder that would send shock waves halfway that would send shock waves halfway that would send shock waves halfway around the world from Washington to around the world from Washington to around the world from Washington to Taiwan. The murdered man was a Taiwan. The murdered man was a Taiwan. The murdered man was a 51-year-old American of Chinese descent 51-year-old American of Chinese descent 51-year-old American of Chinese descent named Henry Louu, a journalist, a named Henry Louu, a journalist, a named Henry Louu, a journalist, a constant critic of the government on constant critic of the government on constant critic of the government on Taiwan. the author of a critical Taiwan. the author of a critical Taiwan. the author of a critical biography of its president. But there biography of its president. But there biography of its president. But there are signs that Henry Louu was also a man are signs that Henry Louu was also a man are signs that Henry Louu was also a man playing with fire. playing with fire. playing with fire. >> The date was October the 15th, 1984. >> The date was October the 15th, 1984. >> The date was October the 15th, 1984. Murder occurred sometime 9:15. We figure Murder occurred sometime 9:15. We figure Murder occurred sometime 9:15. We figure 910 9:15 in the morning. 910 9:15 in the morning. 910 9:15 in the morning. >> Lieutenant Tom Ree is chief of >> Lieutenant Tom Ree is chief of >> Lieutenant Tom Ree is chief of detectives in Daily City, California, detectives in Daily City, California, detectives in Daily City, California, the middle class suburb south of San the middle class suburb south of San the middle class suburb south of San Francisco, where Henry Lou lived on this Francisco, where Henry Lou lived on this Francisco, where Henry Lou lived on this quiet culdeac overlooking the Pacific quiet culdeac overlooking the Pacific quiet culdeac overlooking the Pacific Ocean. As Henry Louu walked to his Ocean. As Henry Louu walked to his Ocean. As Henry Louu walked to his garage to load some boxes into his car, garage to load some boxes into his car, garage to load some boxes into his car, the gunmen were lying in weight. There the gunmen were lying in weight. There the gunmen were lying in weight. There was a struggle. They opened fire. Henry was a struggle. They opened fire. Henry was a struggle. They opened fire. Henry Louu was shot at close range three Louu was shot at close range three Louu was shot at close range three times. Twice in the abdomen, once times. Twice in the abdomen, once times. Twice in the abdomen, once between the eyes. When Lieutenant Ree between the eyes. When Lieutenant Ree between the eyes. When Lieutenant Ree and his detectives arrived at the scene, and his detectives arrived at the scene, and his detectives arrived at the scene, there was little to go on. But when they there was little to go on. But when they there was little to go on. But when they started asking questions, the answers started asking questions, the answers started asking questions, the answers brought a surprise. Early on in the brought a surprise. Early on in the brought a surprise. Early on in the investigation, people were telling us investigation, people were telling us investigation, people were telling us that he was killed for his uh his that he was killed for his uh his that he was killed for his uh his writings. His it was a politically writings. His it was a politically writings. His it was a politically motivated killing.

motivated killing. motivated killing. >> A political killing in Daily City. At >> A political killing in Daily City. At >> A political killing in Daily City. At this point, Henry Lou's family and this point, Henry Lou's family and this point, Henry Lou's family and friends told police stories that most of friends told police stories that most of friends told police stories that most of us find hard to believe, that these us find hard to believe, that these us find hard to believe, that these things could happen to Americans in things could happen to Americans in things could happen to Americans in America. They said that a foreign power, America. They said that a foreign power, America. They said that a foreign power, the government on Taiwan, had tentacles the government on Taiwan, had tentacles the government on Taiwan, had tentacles that reach across the ocean into their that reach across the ocean into their that reach across the ocean into their neighborhoods. They said Chinese neighborhoods. They said Chinese neighborhoods. They said Chinese Americans are watched by agents for Americans are watched by agents for Americans are watched by agents for Taiwan. Literally thousands of agents Taiwan. Literally thousands of agents Taiwan. Literally thousands of agents who create fear and intimidation. who create fear and intimidation. who create fear and intimidation. We were told that some people in the We were told that some people in the We were told that some people in the community have begun wearing bulletproof community have begun wearing bulletproof community have begun wearing bulletproof vests and carrying guns since the death vests and carrying guns since the death vests and carrying guns since the death of Henry Louu. of Henry Louu. of Henry Louu. There are 800,000 Americans of Chinese There are 800,000 Americans of Chinese There are 800,000 Americans of Chinese descent in the United States. Henry Louu descent in the United States. Henry Louu descent in the United States. Henry Louu was one of them. He came to the US from was one of them. He came to the US from was one of them. He came to the US from Taiwan 17 years ago. His critical Taiwan 17 years ago. His critical Taiwan 17 years ago. His critical reports about his old government reports about his old government reports about his old government circulated freely among overseas circulated freely among overseas circulated freely among overseas Chinese, but they were banned in Taiwan. Chinese, but they were banned in Taiwan. Chinese, but they were banned in Taiwan. This didn't seem to bother Henry Louu.

This didn't seem to bother Henry Louu. This didn't seem to bother Henry Louu. >> Henry Lou's wife, Helen. >> Henry Lou's wife, Helen. >> Henry Lou's wife, Helen. Was he afraid? Did he worry? Was he afraid? Did he worry? Was he afraid? Did he worry? >> Um, no, not at all. He al often thinks >> Um, no, not at all. He al often thinks >> Um, no, not at all. He al often thinks this is the America. They wouldn't do this is the America. They wouldn't do this is the America. They wouldn't do anything to him here. His friends say anything to him here. His friends say anything to him here. His friends say Henry Louu saw himself as a kind of Henry Louu saw himself as a kind of Henry Louu saw himself as a kind of Woodward and Bernstein as he attacked Woodward and Bernstein as he attacked Woodward and Bernstein as he attacked the government on Taiwan and in the government on Taiwan and in the government on Taiwan and in particular its president Chongqing Quo particular its president Chongqing Quo particular its president Chongqing Quo as in this biography of Chongqing Quo. as in this biography of Chongqing Quo. as in this biography of Chongqing Quo. In it, Louu says that Chong was brutal In it, Louu says that Chong was brutal In it, Louu says that Chong was brutal to his enemies and that he was an to his enemies and that he was an to his enemies and that he was an opportunist. Lu's attacks on the ruler opportunist. Lu's attacks on the ruler opportunist. Lu's attacks on the ruler of Taiwan had thrust him into a world of of Taiwan had thrust him into a world of of Taiwan had thrust him into a world of intrigue and danger. According to Mrs. intrigue and danger. According to Mrs. intrigue and danger. According to Mrs. Louu, for many years the Taiwan Louu, for many years the Taiwan Louu, for many years the Taiwan government had tried to influence his government had tried to influence his government had tried to influence his writings. A year ago, they succeeded. writings. A year ago, they succeeded. writings. A year ago, they succeeded. And soon thereafter, money started to And soon thereafter, money started to And soon thereafter, money started to arrive. Apparently, part of a deal arrive. Apparently, part of a deal arrive. Apparently, part of a deal between the Taiwan government and its between the Taiwan government and its between the Taiwan government and its critic, Henry Louu. And he was told that critic, Henry Louu. And he was told that critic, Henry Louu. And he was told that he would get how much money? he would get how much money? he would get how much money? >> 20,000. And willing first going to they >> 20,000. And willing first going to they >> 20,000. And willing first going to they going to wire him $8,000, going to wire him $8,000, going to wire him $8,000, then $3,000 at time equally divide.

then $3,000 at time equally divide. then $3,000 at time equally divide. >> So he was going to receive a total of >> So he was going to receive a total of >> So he was going to receive a total of $20,000. $20,000. $20,000. >> Yes. But the last payment never came. >> Yes. But the last payment never came. >> Yes. But the last payment never came. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Why? >> Why? >> Why? >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> The gunman arrived instead. >> The gunman arrived instead. >> The gunman arrived instead. >> Yeah, I think so. Yeah. >> Yeah, I think so. Yeah. >> Yeah, I think so. Yeah. >> The government on Taiwan denied any role >> The government on Taiwan denied any role >> The government on Taiwan denied any role in the murder, but the FBI entered the in the murder, but the FBI entered the in the murder, but the FBI entered the case because they say they knew from the case because they say they knew from the case because they say they knew from the outset there was a possibility of outset there was a possibility of outset there was a possibility of foreign government involvement. So, the foreign government involvement. So, the foreign government involvement. So, the Daily City Police and the FBI Daily City Police and the FBI Daily City Police and the FBI investigators, counterintelligence investigators, counterintelligence investigators, counterintelligence investigators who spoke Chinese started investigators who spoke Chinese started investigators who spoke Chinese started asking questions. All in all, nearly 200 asking questions. All in all, nearly 200 asking questions. All in all, nearly 200 interviews here in San Francisco's interviews here in San Francisco's interviews here in San Francisco's Chinatown Chinatown Chinatown and here in Southern California in and here in Southern California in and here in Southern California in Monterey Park, a city east of Los Monterey Park, a city east of Los Monterey Park, a city east of Los Angeles. It's a city with a growing Angeles. It's a city with a growing Angeles. It's a city with a growing Asian population, including a large Asian population, including a large Asian population, including a large number of new immigrants from Taiwan. number of new immigrants from Taiwan. number of new immigrants from Taiwan. Here in Monterey Park, the Daily City Here in Monterey Park, the Daily City Here in Monterey Park, the Daily City Police followed the trail into a Police followed the trail into a Police followed the trail into a mysterious Chinese underworld. They mysterious Chinese underworld. They mysterious Chinese underworld. They began to hear about a crime syndicate, a began to hear about a crime syndicate, a began to hear about a crime syndicate, a kind of Chinese mafia called the Bamboo kind of Chinese mafia called the Bamboo kind of Chinese mafia called the Bamboo Gang.

Gang. Gang. >> That was the first I'd heard of them. >> That was the first I'd heard of them. >> That was the first I'd heard of them. >> And what were they? Who were they? Well, >> And what were they? Who were they? Well, >> And what were they? Who were they? Well, the initial information was that they the initial information was that they the initial information was that they were a Taiwan based uh street gang, a were a Taiwan based uh street gang, a were a Taiwan based uh street gang, a little bit larger than your average little bit larger than your average little bit larger than your average street gang, supposedly having uh street gang, supposedly having uh street gang, supposedly having uh ties with uh extortion, prostitution, ties with uh extortion, prostitution, ties with uh extortion, prostitution, gambling houses in Taiwan. gambling houses in Taiwan. gambling houses in Taiwan. >> Reese was told by members of the Chinese >> Reese was told by members of the Chinese >> Reese was told by members of the Chinese American community that this man was the American community that this man was the American community that this man was the leader of the Taiwan bamboo gang, a man leader of the Taiwan bamboo gang, a man leader of the Taiwan bamboo gang, a man named Cheni Lee, known as the duck. Ree named Cheni Lee, known as the duck. Ree named Cheni Lee, known as the duck. Ree was told that the duck had come to the was told that the duck had come to the was told that the duck had come to the United States with a hit squad to murder United States with a hit squad to murder United States with a hit squad to murder Henry Louu. Why would the duck come to Henry Louu. Why would the duck come to Henry Louu. Why would the duck come to kill Henry Louu? To find out, we went to kill Henry Louu? To find out, we went to kill Henry Louu? To find out, we went to this restaurant in Monterey Park. Police this restaurant in Monterey Park. Police this restaurant in Monterey Park. Police told us that the owner of the restaurant told us that the owner of the restaurant told us that the owner of the restaurant is a leader of the bamboo gang in the is a leader of the bamboo gang in the is a leader of the bamboo gang in the United States. His name is Changan Lo. United States. His name is Changan Lo. United States. His name is Changan Lo. He is also known as White Wolf. He is also known as White Wolf. He is also known as White Wolf. >> Tell us about the bamboo gang. How many >> Tell us about the bamboo gang. How many >> Tell us about the bamboo gang. How many members are there? I think 40,000 to members are there? I think 40,000 to members are there? I think 40,000 to 50,000 people in Taiwan.

50,000 people in Taiwan. 50,000 people in Taiwan. >> Tens of thousands in Taiwan, but in the >> Tens of thousands in Taiwan, but in the >> Tens of thousands in Taiwan, but in the United States, Whitewolf said there are United States, Whitewolf said there are United States, Whitewolf said there are only about a hundred members of the only about a hundred members of the only about a hundred members of the bamboo gang. Whitewolf claims that the bamboo gang. Whitewolf claims that the bamboo gang. Whitewolf claims that the members in this country are not involved members in this country are not involved members in this country are not involved in illegal activity, but police in illegal activity, but police in illegal activity, but police testified before a presidential testified before a presidential testified before a presidential organized crime commission that they organized crime commission that they organized crime commission that they are. Whitewolf described the bamboo are. Whitewolf described the bamboo are. Whitewolf described the bamboo gang's initiation right. Each member gang's initiation right. Each member gang's initiation right. Each member pricks his finger. Blood is then drained pricks his finger. Blood is then drained pricks his finger. Blood is then drained into a glass of alcohol which everyone into a glass of alcohol which everyone into a glass of alcohol which everyone drinks. drinks. drinks. >> That means I have your blood, you have >> That means I have your blood, you have >> That means I have your blood, you have my blood. my blood. my blood. >> He said that to understand the actions >> He said that to understand the actions >> He said that to understand the actions of the bamboo gang in Taiwan, you must of the bamboo gang in Taiwan, you must of the bamboo gang in Taiwan, you must know that the gang has its own brand of know that the gang has its own brand of know that the gang has its own brand of fierce patriotism that although members fierce patriotism that although members fierce patriotism that although members profit from vice and violence, they live profit from vice and violence, they live profit from vice and violence, they live by a moral code, by rules that prohibit by a moral code, by rules that prohibit by a moral code, by rules that prohibit disrespect of elders. A rule that disrespect of elders. A rule that disrespect of elders. A rule that prohibits disloyalty. prohibits disloyalty. prohibits disloyalty. Is there one for not killing? Is there one for not killing? Is there one for not killing? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> He also told us that the duck is very >> He also told us that the duck is very >> He also told us that the duck is very powerful in Taiwan and has highlevel powerful in Taiwan and has highlevel powerful in Taiwan and has highlevel political connections. And then he political connections. And then he political connections. And then he claimed that a murder of someone in this claimed that a murder of someone in this claimed that a murder of someone in this country almost happened before country almost happened before country almost happened before >> you stopped it.

>> you stopped it. >> you stopped it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Here in the United States. >> Here in the United States. >> Here in the United States. >> In the United States. >> In the United States. >> In the United States. >> What kind of people? Who? >> What kind of people? Who? >> What kind of people? Who? >> I promise to you know keep a secret. >> I promise to you know keep a secret. >> I promise to you know keep a secret. Wetwolf did not stop the murder of Henry Wetwolf did not stop the murder of Henry Wetwolf did not stop the murder of Henry Louu. He claims he had no prior Louu. He claims he had no prior Louu. He claims he had no prior knowledge of it. He admits that one of knowledge of it. He admits that one of knowledge of it. He admits that one of the gunmen stayed with him prior to the the gunmen stayed with him prior to the the gunmen stayed with him prior to the murder. But he says this gunman, a murder. But he says this gunman, a murder. But he says this gunman, a friend, told him only afterwards, that friend, told him only afterwards, that friend, told him only afterwards, that he had been sent to kill Henry Louu he had been sent to kill Henry Louu he had been sent to kill Henry Louu because Lou was a traitor and a because Lou was a traitor and a because Lou was a traitor and a communist. He said the gunman also told communist. He said the gunman also told communist. He said the gunman also told him that he had been sent by the him that he had been sent by the him that he had been sent by the government on Taiwan. government on Taiwan. government on Taiwan. >> You know, his job is to kill communist. >> You know, his job is to kill communist. >> You know, his job is to kill communist. So when he went in San San Francisco, he So when he went in San San Francisco, he So when he went in San San Francisco, he thought he did a good job. thought he did a good job. thought he did a good job. >> Why is White Wolf telling us these >> Why is White Wolf telling us these >> Why is White Wolf telling us these things? He says it's because the things? He says it's because the things? He says it's because the government double crossed the duck and government double crossed the duck and government double crossed the duck and the gunman as it became clear that the the gunman as it became clear that the the gunman as it became clear that the Daily City police were about to reveal Daily City police were about to reveal Daily City police were about to reveal all they knew about the duck and the all they knew about the duck and the all they knew about the duck and the murder. Taiwan authorities launched a murder. Taiwan authorities launched a murder. Taiwan authorities launched a massive crackdown on the bamboo gang, massive crackdown on the bamboo gang, massive crackdown on the bamboo gang, arresting a thousand gangsters, arresting a thousand gangsters, arresting a thousand gangsters, including their leader, the duck. The including their leader, the duck. The including their leader, the duck. The authorities on Taiwan said the duck authorities on Taiwan said the duck authorities on Taiwan said the duck confessed to planning the murder, but confessed to planning the murder, but confessed to planning the murder, but they refused to send the duck back to they refused to send the duck back to they refused to send the duck back to the US to stand trial. So, at this the US to stand trial. So, at this the US to stand trial. So, at this point, the Daily City police knew who point, the Daily City police knew who point, the Daily City police knew who had pulled the trigger and who had had pulled the trigger and who had had pulled the trigger and who had planned the murder, but they didn't know planned the murder, but they didn't know planned the murder, but they didn't know the motive, and they had no one to the motive, and they had no one to the motive, and they had no one to prosecute. The investigation of Henry prosecute. The investigation of Henry prosecute. The investigation of Henry Lou's murder appeared to be at an Lou's murder appeared to be at an Lou's murder appeared to be at an impass. But things started to change and impass. But things started to change and impass. But things started to change and change quickly with this a tape

change quickly with this a tape change quickly with this a tape recording by none other than Cheni Lee recording by none other than Cheni Lee recording by none other than Cheni Lee the duck himself. He recorded it after the duck himself. He recorded it after the duck himself. He recorded it after the murder while he was still in the murder while he was still in the murder while he was still in California. It was his insurance policy California. It was his insurance policy California. It was his insurance policy and he decided to cash it in. Fearing a and he decided to cash it in. Fearing a and he decided to cash it in. Fearing a double cross, the duck was not going to double cross, the duck was not going to double cross, the duck was not going to take the wrap himself. He pointed the take the wrap himself. He pointed the take the wrap himself. He pointed the finger directly at the government. This finger directly at the government. This finger directly at the government. This man says he's a close friend of the man says he's a close friend of the man says he's a close friend of the duck. He agreed to join our interview if duck. He agreed to join our interview if duck. He agreed to join our interview if we would conceal his identity. He was we would conceal his identity. He was we would conceal his identity. He was one of those who arranged to get the one of those who arranged to get the one of those who arranged to get the tape to the Daily City Police. Here is tape to the Daily City Police. Here is tape to the Daily City Police. Here is what he and White Wolf told us the duck what he and White Wolf told us the duck what he and White Wolf told us the duck said on that tape. >> The Duck said that two months before the >> The Duck said that two months before the murder, he got the order to kill Henry murder, he got the order to kill Henry murder, he got the order to kill Henry Louu from this man, Admiral Wong, Louu from this man, Admiral Wong, Louu from this man, Admiral Wong, Taiwan's director of military Taiwan's director of military Taiwan's director of military intelligence. The duck says on the tape intelligence. The duck says on the tape intelligence. The duck says on the tape that he was told Henry Louu was a that he was told Henry Louu was a that he was told Henry Louu was a traitor to the government on Taiwan. The traitor to the government on Taiwan. The traitor to the government on Taiwan. The duck said he had a 10-day training duck said he had a 10-day training duck said he had a 10-day training session for the murder and then he went session for the murder and then he went session for the murder and then he went so far as to give details on how the so far as to give details on how the so far as to give details on how the murder was carried out. Our law murder was carried out. Our law murder was carried out. Our law enforcement sources confirmed that these enforcement sources confirmed that these enforcement sources confirmed that these statements are on the tape made by the statements are on the tape made by the statements are on the tape made by the duck. The news of the tape rocked the duck. The news of the tape rocked the duck. The news of the tape rocked the government on Taiwan and led them to government on Taiwan and led them to government on Taiwan and led them to make a stunning announcement. Two high make a stunning announcement. Two high make a stunning announcement. Two high level intelligence officers were level intelligence officers were level intelligence officers were arrested for involvement in the arrested for involvement in the arrested for involvement in the assassination of Henry Louu. And Admiral assassination of Henry Louu. And Admiral assassination of Henry Louu. And Admiral Wong, the head of military intelligence, Wong, the head of military intelligence, Wong, the head of military intelligence, the admiral who was named by the duck on the admiral who was named by the duck on the admiral who was named by the duck on that tape, was dismissed from his job

that tape, was dismissed from his job that tape, was dismissed from his job and detained. But the two men we talked and detained. But the two men we talked and detained. But the two men we talked to insist that the trail doesn't stop to insist that the trail doesn't stop to insist that the trail doesn't stop with the admiral. One of them said he with the admiral. One of them said he with the admiral. One of them said he was told personally by the duck that the was told personally by the duck that the was told personally by the duck that the murder of Henry Louu was approved at murder of Henry Louu was approved at murder of Henry Louu was approved at still a higher level. still a higher level. still a higher level. Congressman Steven Solars is chairman of Congressman Steven Solars is chairman of Congressman Steven Solars is chairman of the House Subcommittee on Asian and the House Subcommittee on Asian and the House Subcommittee on Asian and Pacific Affairs. Pacific Affairs. Pacific Affairs. >> Henry Louu was not just killed by some >> Henry Louu was not just killed by some >> Henry Louu was not just killed by some uh members of the Bamboo Gang who got it uh members of the Bamboo Gang who got it uh members of the Bamboo Gang who got it into their heads uh for their own into their heads uh for their own into their heads uh for their own purposes to uh to blow them away. They purposes to uh to blow them away. They purposes to uh to blow them away. They were uh retained, commissioned, were uh retained, commissioned, were uh retained, commissioned, instructed uh uh and dispatched to the instructed uh uh and dispatched to the instructed uh uh and dispatched to the United States by the uh Bureau of United States by the uh Bureau of United States by the uh Bureau of Military Intelligence for the purpose uh Military Intelligence for the purpose uh Military Intelligence for the purpose uh in my judgment of silencing Henry Louu in my judgment of silencing Henry Louu in my judgment of silencing Henry Louu by ending his life. That's murder and by ending his life. That's murder and by ending his life. That's murder and it's assassination and it's not it's assassination and it's not it's assassination and it's not acceptable and it was set in motion by acceptable and it was set in motion by acceptable and it was set in motion by the authorities on Taiwan. And uh I the authorities on Taiwan. And uh I the authorities on Taiwan. And uh I don't think it really matters much uh uh don't think it really matters much uh uh don't think it really matters much uh uh to what degree all of the members of the to what degree all of the members of the to what degree all of the members of the cabinet or the pallet bureau or the cabinet or the pallet bureau or the cabinet or the pallet bureau or the Gumenang uh knew about this or approved Gumenang uh knew about this or approved Gumenang uh knew about this or approved it. A powerful, responsible, important it. A powerful, responsible, important it. A powerful, responsible, important leading official of the Taiwanese leading official of the Taiwanese leading official of the Taiwanese intelligence uh agencies uh was intelligence uh agencies uh was intelligence uh agencies uh was instrumentally involved in the whole instrumentally involved in the whole instrumentally involved in the whole affair. And that means the government of affair. And that means the government of affair. And that means the government of Taiwan was involved in the affair.

Taiwan was involved in the affair. Taiwan was involved in the affair. >> And now the story has taken yet another >> And now the story has taken yet another >> And now the story has taken yet another bizarre twist. Taiwan now hints that bizarre twist. Taiwan now hints that bizarre twist. Taiwan now hints that Henry Louu was not just a journalist, Henry Louu was not just a journalist, Henry Louu was not just a journalist, but one of their spies. US officials say but one of their spies. US officials say but one of their spies. US officials say not only that, Henry Louu also appears not only that, Henry Louu also appears not only that, Henry Louu also appears to have been in contact with the to have been in contact with the to have been in contact with the communist government in P King. And communist government in P King. And communist government in P King. And furthermore, they confirm Henry Louu was furthermore, they confirm Henry Louu was furthermore, they confirm Henry Louu was an informant for us, for the FBI. an informant for us, for the FBI. an informant for us, for the FBI. >> Was Henry Louu an agent of the >> Was Henry Louu an agent of the >> Was Henry Louu an agent of the government of Taiwan? government of Taiwan? government of Taiwan? >> I have no knowledge of it. >> I have no knowledge of it. >> I have no knowledge of it. >> Dr. Chongqing Yu, the chief spokesman >> Dr. Chongqing Yu, the chief spokesman >> Dr. Chongqing Yu, the chief spokesman for the Taiwan government. What did the for the Taiwan government. What did the for the Taiwan government. What did the government of Taiwan think about the government of Taiwan think about the government of Taiwan think about the things he wrote? things he wrote? things he wrote? >> Well, he has the freedom to write >> Well, he has the freedom to write >> Well, he has the freedom to write whatever he wishes to write, whatever he wishes to write, whatever he wishes to write, >> but not to have it published in Taiwan. >> but not to have it published in Taiwan. >> but not to have it published in Taiwan. >> Well, he is now overseas. He's American. >> Well, he is now overseas. He's American. >> Well, he is now overseas. He's American. But you're telling me that his book was But you're telling me that his book was But you're telling me that his book was not banned in Taiwan? That I could go in not banned in Taiwan? That I could go in not banned in Taiwan? That I could go in a bookstore in Taiwan and find this a bookstore in Taiwan and find this a bookstore in Taiwan and find this critical biography of the president? critical biography of the president? critical biography of the president? >> Well, his book did not come to Taiwan, >> Well, his book did not come to Taiwan, >> Well, his book did not come to Taiwan, shall we say? This because any any shall we say? This because any any shall we say? This because any any foreign book or uh uh particularly foreign book or uh uh particularly foreign book or uh uh particularly magazines, books, uh they would have to magazines, books, uh they would have to magazines, books, uh they would have to have some kind of permission to get in.

have some kind of permission to get in. have some kind of permission to get in. >> And it was not permitted for Henry Louu. >> And it was not permitted for Henry Louu. >> And it was not permitted for Henry Louu. >> Obviously, probably that's the case. >> Obviously, probably that's the case. >> Obviously, probably that's the case. Right after the murder of Henry Louu, Right after the murder of Henry Louu, Right after the murder of Henry Louu, your government stated emphatically it your government stated emphatically it your government stated emphatically it was not involved. Threatened to sue was not involved. Threatened to sue was not involved. Threatened to sue people. people. people. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And said that it was involved. >> And said that it was involved. >> And said that it was involved. >> Well, the government is not involved. >> Well, the government is not involved. >> Well, the government is not involved. >> The government is not involved. >> The government is not involved. >> The government is not involved. >> Is not involved. Who says the government >> Is not involved. Who says the government >> Is not involved. Who says the government is involved? is involved? is involved? >> The man who planned the murder of Henry >> The man who planned the murder of Henry >> The man who planned the murder of Henry Lou says the government is involved. Lou says the government is involved. Lou says the government is involved. >> You have gone to the lengths even of >> You have gone to the lengths even of >> You have gone to the lengths even of detaining detaining detaining >> the head of your defense intelligence >> the head of your defense intelligence >> the head of your defense intelligence office. That's not the government. office. That's not the government. office. That's not the government. >> That's not the government. >> That's not the government. >> That's not the government. >> What is the exact status of Vice Admiral >> What is the exact status of Vice Admiral >> What is the exact status of Vice Admiral Wong, the Admiral in Defense Wong, the Admiral in Defense Wong, the Admiral in Defense Intelligence? Intelligence? Intelligence? >> Is he a suspect? >> Is he a suspect? >> Is he a suspect? >> He's not a suspect. >> He's not a suspect. >> He's not a suspect. >> But he's been named on the tape. He's >> But he's been named on the tape. He's >> But he's been named on the tape. He's been named by the duck. been named by the duck. been named by the duck. >> Well, if you are named on any particular >> Well, if you are named on any particular >> Well, if you are named on any particular tape, will you be a suspect? tape, will you be a suspect? tape, will you be a suspect? >> Admiral Wong is a free man. Then pending >> Admiral Wong is a free man. Then pending >> Admiral Wong is a free man. Then pending this investigation, this investigation, this investigation, >> I think uh the uh three suspects or >> I think uh the uh three suspects or >> I think uh the uh three suspects or three persons involved in this three persons involved in this three persons involved in this particular case are being detained particular case are being detained particular case are being detained pending investigation.

pending investigation. pending investigation. >> Detained. What does detained mean? >> Detained. What does detained mean? >> Detained. What does detained mean? >> Well, detained means that temporarily >> Well, detained means that temporarily >> Well, detained means that temporarily they have lost freedom. they have lost freedom. they have lost freedom. >> They're in jail. >> They're in jail. >> They're in jail. >> Not in jail. Because in when you talk >> Not in jail. Because in when you talk >> Not in jail. Because in when you talk about jail, that means about jail, that means about jail, that means >> house arrest. I mean, what are you >> house arrest. I mean, what are you >> house arrest. I mean, what are you >> in other words, they have lost their >> in other words, they have lost their >> in other words, they have lost their freedom in that sense. I can only say freedom in that sense. I can only say freedom in that sense. I can only say that because they are not in jail. that because they are not in jail. that because they are not in jail. >> But isn't it an odd coincidence that the >> But isn't it an odd coincidence that the >> But isn't it an odd coincidence that the government only seemed to find out government only seemed to find out government only seemed to find out things after they were going to be things after they were going to be things after they were going to be revealed someplace else? revealed someplace else? revealed someplace else? >> I don't think so. That's not the case. >> I don't think so. That's not the case. >> I don't think so. That's not the case. Uh because we provided Uh because we provided Uh because we provided the information to the United States the information to the United States the information to the United States authorities. That's where you have a authorities. That's where you have a authorities. That's where you have a breakthrough of the case. breakthrough of the case. breakthrough of the case. >> But the US authorities say something >> But the US authorities say something >> But the US authorities say something quite different. They say the State quite different. They say the State quite different. They say the State Department says they had to put intense Department says they had to put intense Department says they had to put intense pressure on your government to get your pressure on your government to get your pressure on your government to get your government to move on this case. government to move on this case. government to move on this case. >> My story is different. I think we have >> My story is different. I think we have >> My story is different. I think we have to get the sequence correct. to get the sequence correct. to get the sequence correct. >> Well, I think the Daily City Police >> Well, I think the Daily City Police >> Well, I think the Daily City Police would tell you the sequence is quite would tell you the sequence is quite would tell you the sequence is quite different. different. different. >> They can have their version and I have >> They can have their version and I have >> They can have their version and I have mine.

mine. mine. >> But it's really still a puzzle, isn't >> But it's really still a puzzle, isn't >> But it's really still a puzzle, isn't it? We're still hearing that he was shot it? We're still hearing that he was shot it? We're still hearing that he was shot because he was a communist agent. He was because he was a communist agent. He was because he was a communist agent. He was shot because he was a Taiwan agent. He shot because he was a Taiwan agent. He shot because he was a Taiwan agent. He was shot because he was an FBI agent. He was shot because he was an FBI agent. He was shot because he was an FBI agent. He was shot because he was writing a book. was shot because he was writing a book. was shot because he was writing a book. He was shot because he had information He was shot because he had information He was shot because he had information was going to write in yet another book was going to write in yet another book was going to write in yet another book that hadn't been published. So, at this that hadn't been published. So, at this that hadn't been published. So, at this stage, what do you really know about who stage, what do you really know about who stage, what do you really know about who shot Henry Lou and why? shot Henry Lou and why? shot Henry Lou and why? >> We know who shot Henry Lou as to why. I >> We know who shot Henry Lou as to why. I >> We know who shot Henry Lou as to why. I still don't know, still don't know, still don't know, and I don't know if I'll ever know. and I don't know if I'll ever know. and I don't know if I'll ever know. >> Diane Sawyer is now on assignment. Just >> Diane Sawyer is now on assignment. Just >> Diane Sawyer is now on assignment. Just after she left, the Taiwan government after she left, the Taiwan government after she left, the Taiwan government indicted the duck and the two gunmen for indicted the duck and the two gunmen for indicted the duck and the two gunmen for murder and will try them in Taiwan. murder and will try them in Taiwan. murder and will try them in Taiwan. Taiwan also admitted that the duck was Taiwan also admitted that the duck was Taiwan also admitted that the duck was an agent of Taiwan's military an agent of Taiwan's military an agent of Taiwan's military intelligence bureau, but it insisted he intelligence bureau, but it insisted he intelligence bureau, but it insisted he was not ordered by Admiral Wong or was not ordered by Admiral Wong or was not ordered by Admiral Wong or anyone else to kill Henry Louu. But anyone else to kill Henry Louu. But anyone else to kill Henry Louu. But we've learned that the duck intimated to we've learned that the duck intimated to we've learned that the duck intimated to US authorities that at the trial he will US authorities that at the trial he will US authorities that at the trial he will name even more prominent people than name even more prominent people than name even more prominent people than Admiral Wong as being involved. The FBI Admiral Wong as being involved. The FBI Admiral Wong as being involved. The FBI and the State Department still won't and the State Department still won't and the State Department still won't talk on the record about the murder or talk on the record about the murder or talk on the record about the murder or the allegations that Henry Louu was an the allegations that Henry Louu was an the allegations that Henry Louu was an informant for the FBI or anyone else.

informant for the FBI or anyone else. informant for the FBI or anyone else. And the US government says the murder of And the US government says the murder of And the US government says the murder of Henry Louu will not change plans to sell Henry Louu will not change plans to sell Henry Louu will not change plans to sell Taiwan $750 million in military Taiwan $750 million in military Taiwan $750 million in military equipment this year.