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60 Minutes Rewind. 60 Minutes Rewind. >> Two and a half million Americans served >> Two and a half million Americans served >> Two and a half million Americans served in Iraq and Afghanistan. And we in Iraq and Afghanistan. And we in Iraq and Afghanistan. And we wondered, what's become of them long wondered, what's become of them long wondered, what's become of them long after they cut down the yellow ribbons after they cut down the yellow ribbons after they cut down the yellow ribbons and the camo went into hiding in the and the camo went into hiding in the and the camo went into hiding in the back of the closet? What do they think back of the closet? What do they think back of the closet? What do they think of their war? Was coming home the of their war? Was coming home the of their war? Was coming home the homecoming they hoped for? Recently, we homecoming they hoped for? Recently, we homecoming they hoped for? Recently, we joined an annual reunion of men that we joined an annual reunion of men that we joined an annual reunion of men that we first met 5 years ago. It was back in first met 5 years ago. It was back in first met 5 years ago. It was back in 2009 that Golf Company, Second Battalion 2009 that Golf Company, Second Battalion 2009 that Golf Company, Second Battalion of the Eighth Marines was taking the of the Eighth Marines was taking the of the Eighth Marines was taking the highest casualties on Afghanistan's most highest casualties on Afghanistan's most highest casualties on Afghanistan's most lethal battlefield. When we met them lethal battlefield. When we met them lethal battlefield. When we met them again last summer in Washington, we again last summer in Washington, we again last summer in Washington, we found that their searing experience had found that their searing experience had found that their searing experience had made them brothers in war and peace. >> We caught up with them on a field trip, >> We caught up with them on a field trip, part of their Washington reunion. They part of their Washington reunion. They part of their Washington reunion. They fell in without uniforms, weapons, or fell in without uniforms, weapons, or fell in without uniforms, weapons, or the passing of years. >> They're mostly civilians now, gathered >> They're mostly civilians now, gathered in one place they could be together.

in one place they could be together. in one place they could be together. >> The place they could say things that had >> The place they could say things that had >> The place they could say things that had been left unsaid been left unsaid been left unsaid or deliver news of the last 5 years. or deliver news of the last 5 years. or deliver news of the last 5 years. Golf companies Lance Corporal Burrow and Golf companies Lance Corporal Burrow and Golf companies Lance Corporal Burrow and Lieutenant Bourgeoa were enlisted in the Lieutenant Bourgeoa were enlisted in the Lieutenant Bourgeoa were enlisted in the ranks of Arlington National Cemetery. ranks of Arlington National Cemetery. ranks of Arlington National Cemetery. Each stone arch a gateway through time. Each stone arch a gateway through time. Each stone arch a gateway through time. >> Lance Corporal Jonathan F. Straoud. >> Lance Corporal Jonathan F. Straoud. >> Lance Corporal Jonathan F. Straoud. Lance Corporal Gregory A. Posey. Lance Corporal Gregory A. Posey. Lance Corporal Gregory A. Posey. >> This was September 2009. We were there >> This was September 2009. We were there >> This was September 2009. We were there as golf company stood rigid in a as golf company stood rigid in a as golf company stood rigid in a mudwalled memorial service. It was the mudwalled memorial service. It was the mudwalled memorial service. It was the first time the troops had come to grips first time the troops had come to grips first time the troops had come to grips with the terrible loss signified by with the terrible loss signified by with the terrible loss signified by seven battlefield crosses. First seven battlefield crosses. First seven battlefield crosses. First Sergeant Robert Pulland called the role Sergeant Robert Pulland called the role Sergeant Robert Pulland called the role of the dead. of the dead. of the dead. >> Lance Corporal Patrick W. Shiml >> Lance Corporal Patrick W. Shiml >> Lance Corporal Patrick W. Shiml Lance Corpal Dennis J. Burl Lance Corpal Dennis J. Burl Lance Corpal Dennis J. Burl Lance Corpal Javier OA Lance Corpal Javier OA Lance Corpal Javier OA Lance Corpal David R. Hall.

Lance Corpal David R. Hall. Lance Corpal David R. Hall. The seven Marines had died fighting to The seven Marines had died fighting to The seven Marines had died fighting to clear and hold the Taliban heartland. clear and hold the Taliban heartland. clear and hold the Taliban heartland. exhausting months negotiating around exhausting months negotiating around exhausting months negotiating around landmines and skeptical elders. Back landmines and skeptical elders. Back landmines and skeptical elders. Back then, their orders were to use then, their orders were to use then, their orders were to use restraint. And Corporal Jonathan Ciseno restraint. And Corporal Jonathan Ciseno restraint. And Corporal Jonathan Ciseno told us what he thought of that. told us what he thought of that. told us what he thought of that. >> It sucks. I don't know another word to >> It sucks. I don't know another word to >> It sucks. I don't know another word to say. It sucks because uh all you want to say. It sucks because uh all you want to say. It sucks because uh all you want to do is get that guy. You just want to get do is get that guy. You just want to get do is get that guy. You just want to get them, you know, for for everything, you them, you know, for for everything, you them, you know, for for everything, you know. I don't you know, for revenge, if know. I don't you know, for revenge, if know. I don't you know, for revenge, if you know, to say the least. revenge for you know, to say the least. revenge for you know, to say the least. revenge for the death of his friend Nick Exaros, who the death of his friend Nick Exaros, who the death of his friend Nick Exaros, who was killed in 2009 by a roadside bomb. was killed in 2009 by a roadside bomb. was killed in 2009 by a roadside bomb. Five years later, Keno had used his Five years later, Keno had used his Five years later, Keno had used his veterans benefits for college, and now veterans benefits for college, and now veterans benefits for college, and now he's selling retirement plans for he's selling retirement plans for he's selling retirement plans for Lincoln Financial outside Philadelphia. Lincoln Financial outside Philadelphia. Lincoln Financial outside Philadelphia. He moved on, but he never let go of He moved on, but he never let go of He moved on, but he never let go of Exxaros. It's because of people like him Exxaros. It's because of people like him Exxaros. It's because of people like him that I want to continue to push harder that I want to continue to push harder that I want to continue to push harder in life and succeed because it's it's in life and succeed because it's it's in life and succeed because it's it's the good ones that pass and I can't let the good ones that pass and I can't let the good ones that pass and I can't let that be in vain. It drives me. It that be in vain. It drives me. It that be in vain. It drives me. It motivates me.

motivates me. motivates me. >> Is there anything that you miss about >> Is there anything that you miss about >> Is there anything that you miss about Afghanistan and the Marine Corps? Afghanistan and the Marine Corps? Afghanistan and the Marine Corps? >> Absolutely. Uh the brotherhood. There's >> Absolutely. Uh the brotherhood. There's >> Absolutely. Uh the brotherhood. There's no question about that. Um you missed no question about that. Um you missed no question about that. Um you missed the the sense of purpose, right? You had the the sense of purpose, right? You had the the sense of purpose, right? You had a mission. um you felt accomplished with a mission. um you felt accomplished with a mission. um you felt accomplished with um everything that you do even at a um everything that you do even at a um everything that you do even at a young age. I think when you transition young age. I think when you transition young age. I think when you transition into the real world, you have to find into the real world, you have to find into the real world, you have to find out what your mission is. out what your mission is. out what your mission is. >> You know, a lot of people would think >> You know, a lot of people would think >> You know, a lot of people would think you would try to forget Afghanistan and you would try to forget Afghanistan and you would try to forget Afghanistan and it seems to me you're trying to remember it seems to me you're trying to remember it seems to me you're trying to remember it. it. it. >> I don't want to put it behind me. I want >> I don't want to put it behind me. I want >> I don't want to put it behind me. I want it to be real in everything that I do it to be real in everything that I do it to be real in everything that I do because it gives me something to live because it gives me something to live because it gives me something to live for. It gives me something to stand for. for. It gives me something to stand for. for. It gives me something to stand for. >> I love the camaraderie and everything >> I love the camaraderie and everything >> I love the camaraderie and everything that came along with it. that came along with it. that came along with it. >> There's nothing like it. Nothing. >> There's nothing like it. Nothing. >> There's nothing like it. Nothing. Haven't found anything like it. Haven't found anything like it. Haven't found anything like it. >> Golf Company's Rory Hamill was so >> Golf Company's Rory Hamill was so >> Golf Company's Rory Hamill was so dedicated to the camaraderie, he went dedicated to the camaraderie, he went dedicated to the camaraderie, he went back to Afghanistan for another tour in back to Afghanistan for another tour in back to Afghanistan for another tour in 2011. 2011. 2011. >> I suppose it was uh to try and get back >> I suppose it was uh to try and get back >> I suppose it was uh to try and get back at the guys that killed my brothers. at the guys that killed my brothers. at the guys that killed my brothers. >> Tell me about the day you were wounded. >> Tell me about the day you were wounded. >> Tell me about the day you were wounded. >> Came across a local national who um gave >> Came across a local national who um gave >> Came across a local national who um gave us some intelligence on the ground that us some intelligence on the ground that us some intelligence on the ground that there was an IED in a compound next to there was an IED in a compound next to there was an IED in a compound next to his house.

his house. his house. I took the mind sweeper off my point I took the mind sweeper off my point I took the mind sweeper off my point man's back and I I jokingly said see you man's back and I I jokingly said see you man's back and I I jokingly said see you on the other side. I got about on the other side. I got about on the other side. I got about threequarters of the compound swept and threequarters of the compound swept and threequarters of the compound swept and then I stepped on a low metallic then I stepped on a low metallic then I stepped on a low metallic pressure plate and my leg was instantly pressure plate and my leg was instantly pressure plate and my leg was instantly sheared off. I remember it seemed very sheared off. I remember it seemed very sheared off. I remember it seemed very surreal. My vision went gray. There's a surreal. My vision went gray. There's a surreal. My vision went gray. There's a lot of ringing um dust everywhere. lot of ringing um dust everywhere. lot of ringing um dust everywhere. >> When the dust settled, his right leg was >> When the dust settled, his right leg was >> When the dust settled, his right leg was gone halfway up the thigh. At Walter gone halfway up the thigh. At Walter gone halfway up the thigh. At Walter Reed Medical Center, President Obama Reed Medical Center, President Obama Reed Medical Center, President Obama brought him an honor. He ordered me with brought him an honor. He ordered me with brought him an honor. He ordered me with a Purple Heart. It was amazing. It was a Purple Heart. It was amazing. It was a Purple Heart. It was amazing. It was an amazing experience. an amazing experience. an amazing experience. >> You must have been in a pretty dark >> You must have been in a pretty dark >> You must have been in a pretty dark place otherwise. place otherwise. place otherwise. >> Oh yeah. The first two weeks, um, >> Oh yeah. The first two weeks, um, >> Oh yeah. The first two weeks, um, a lot of the thoughts going through my a lot of the thoughts going through my a lot of the thoughts going through my head were, why didn't I die? What am I head were, why didn't I die? What am I head were, why didn't I die? What am I going to do now with my life? going to do now with my life? going to do now with my life? >> Were there times that you wish you >> Were there times that you wish you >> Were there times that you wish you hadn't survived? [snorts] hadn't survived? [snorts] hadn't survived? [snorts] Yeah, I was contemplating taking my own Yeah, I was contemplating taking my own Yeah, I was contemplating taking my own life, life, life, but sitting and thinking about it, but sitting and thinking about it, but sitting and thinking about it, realizing that I have children that realizing that I have children that realizing that I have children that depend on me, I knew that that that was depend on me, I knew that that that was depend on me, I knew that that that was not the right course of action.

not the right course of action. not the right course of action. >> Urged onto a different course by his >> Urged onto a different course by his >> Urged onto a different course by his father, Hamill pressed through father, Hamill pressed through father, Hamill pressed through counseling and physical therapy. He's counseling and physical therapy. He's counseling and physical therapy. He's found work managing logistics in a Navy found work managing logistics in a Navy found work managing logistics in a Navy program for wounded warriors. program for wounded warriors. program for wounded warriors. Having been through everything you've Having been through everything you've Having been through everything you've been through, would you do it again been through, would you do it again been through, would you do it again >> in a heartbeat? >> in a heartbeat? >> in a heartbeat? You made me the man I am today. You made me the man I am today. You made me the man I am today. >> Whether they like it or not, I still >> Whether they like it or not, I still >> Whether they like it or not, I still feel responsible, you know, for them. feel responsible, you know, for them. feel responsible, you know, for them. They're still your Marines. They always They're still your Marines. They always They're still your Marines. They always will be. will be. will be. >> GF's battalion commander was Lieutenant >> GF's battalion commander was Lieutenant >> GF's battalion commander was Lieutenant Colonel Christian Cabin. Colonel Christian Cabin. Colonel Christian Cabin. >> This summer of decision in Afghanistan >> This summer of decision in Afghanistan >> This summer of decision in Afghanistan in 2009, you are going to change in 2009, you are going to change in 2009, you are going to change history. history. history. >> Living the dream, one minute at a time. >> Living the dream, one minute at a time. >> Living the dream, one minute at a time. today. He's Colonel Cabinus and he today. He's Colonel Cabinus and he today. He's Colonel Cabinus and he joined this reunion. joined this reunion. joined this reunion. >> Why do you think some of the Marines are >> Why do you think some of the Marines are >> Why do you think some of the Marines are still struggling after they've come home still struggling after they've come home still struggling after they've come home after 5 years? after 5 years? after 5 years? >> I think in some ways we all do >> I think in some ways we all do >> I think in some ways we all do when we come back is cuz we're trying to when we come back is cuz we're trying to when we come back is cuz we're trying to put that experience uh into perspective. put that experience uh into perspective. put that experience uh into perspective. I joked I'm never more popular coming I joked I'm never more popular coming I joked I'm never more popular coming home from a deployment than right before home from a deployment than right before home from a deployment than right before the bus door opens.

the bus door opens. the bus door opens. Superman's coming. Superman's coming. Superman's coming. Superman's coming. Superman's coming. Superman's coming. Superman's coming. The door opens. Oh, Superman's coming. The door opens. Oh, Superman's coming. The door opens. Oh, it's just him. it's just him. it's just him. And they expect you to fall back into And they expect you to fall back into And they expect you to fall back into those roles. Husband, um, father, those roles. Husband, um, father, those roles. Husband, um, father, brother, nephew, cousin, uncle, as if brother, nephew, cousin, uncle, as if brother, nephew, cousin, uncle, as if nothing changed. nothing changed. nothing changed. >> There were definitely times when I >> There were definitely times when I >> There were definitely times when I questioned what we were doing over questioned what we were doing over questioned what we were doing over there. there. there. >> 5 years ago, Dan O'Hara was a fresh >> 5 years ago, Dan O'Hara was a fresh >> 5 years ago, Dan O'Hara was a fresh second lieutenant leading his first second lieutenant leading his first second lieutenant leading his first combat platoon. combat platoon. combat platoon. >> What's the biggest threat to your >> What's the biggest threat to your >> What's the biggest threat to your Marines? the biggest threat would be uh Marines? the biggest threat would be uh Marines? the biggest threat would be uh the improvised explosive devices. the improvised explosive devices. the improvised explosive devices. >> He told us then that he joined the >> He told us then that he joined the >> He told us then that he joined the Marines because he didn't want to regret Marines because he didn't want to regret Marines because he didn't want to regret not serving. It turned out we met on not serving. It turned out we met on not serving. It turned out we met on what would be his worst day. what would be his worst day. what would be his worst day. >> We should be good pushing up through >> We should be good pushing up through >> We should be good pushing up through here until we get near that IED site. here until we get near that IED site. here until we get near that IED site. >> It was a mission to diffuse a landmine >> It was a mission to diffuse a landmine >> It was a mission to diffuse a landmine and it went exactly according to plan. and it went exactly according to plan. and it went exactly according to plan. But on the way back, Lance Corporal But on the way back, Lance Corporal But on the way back, Lance Corporal David Hall detonated a second bomb. And David Hall detonated a second bomb. And David Hall detonated a second bomb. And the next day, O'Hara tried to give the next day, O'Hara tried to give the next day, O'Hara tried to give meaning to Hall's death.

meaning to Hall's death. meaning to Hall's death. >> So just understand, we're doing we're >> So just understand, we're doing we're >> So just understand, we're doing we're doing the right things. We're doing good doing the right things. We're doing good doing the right things. We're doing good work. We're making a difference here. work. We're making a difference here. work. We're making a difference here. You know, we're here fighting for the You know, we're here fighting for the You know, we're here fighting for the people of Afghanistan. We're here people of Afghanistan. We're here people of Afghanistan. We're here ultimately fighting for our country. ultimately fighting for our country. ultimately fighting for our country. >> Should we have been in Afghanistan? I >> Should we have been in Afghanistan? I >> Should we have been in Afghanistan? I don't know. Maybe the answer is yes. Uh don't know. Maybe the answer is yes. Uh don't know. Maybe the answer is yes. Uh maybe it's no. And so when I run into maybe it's no. And so when I run into maybe it's no. And so when I run into people who say, "Tell tell me about people who say, "Tell tell me about people who say, "Tell tell me about Afghanistan. What were our goals there? Afghanistan. What were our goals there? Afghanistan. What were our goals there? Should we have been there? I think I'm Should we have been there? I think I'm Should we have been there? I think I'm in the same boat where I would say, you in the same boat where I would say, you in the same boat where I would say, you know, to be honest with you, I don't know, to be honest with you, I don't know, to be honest with you, I don't know. know. know. >> After two tours and a lot of questions, >> After two tours and a lot of questions, >> After two tours and a lot of questions, O'Hara's been recruited into General O'Hara's been recruited into General O'Hara's been recruited into General Electric's program for returning vets. Electric's program for returning vets. Electric's program for returning vets. He's a project manager for GE Oil and He's a project manager for GE Oil and He's a project manager for GE Oil and Gas. And sometimes he thinks about Gas. And sometimes he thinks about Gas. And sometimes he thinks about running for office. running for office. running for office. >> I had done >> I had done >> I had done what I wanted to do in the Marine Corps. what I wanted to do in the Marine Corps. what I wanted to do in the Marine Corps. I could say I deployed twice in the I could say I deployed twice in the I could say I deployed twice in the defense of my nation. So, that was defense of my nation. So, that was defense of my nation. So, that was something I was proud of. There's something I was proud of. There's something I was proud of. There's certainly part of you that says, "I'm certainly part of you that says, "I'm certainly part of you that says, "I'm glad that that's over with. glad that that's over with. glad that that's over with. >> Goodbye to all that." >> Goodbye to all that." >> Goodbye to all that." >> Yeah. Good. Goodbye, Afghanistan. I >> Yeah. Good. Goodbye, Afghanistan. I >> Yeah. Good. Goodbye, Afghanistan. I won't be seeing you again. won't be seeing you again. won't be seeing you again. >> The story will continue after this.

>> Those images are burning your head, man. >> Those images are burning your head, man. They never go away. They never go away. They never go away. >> Afghanistan did not leave. Golf >> Afghanistan did not leave. Golf >> Afghanistan did not leave. Golf Company's Devon Jones. Like many others, Company's Devon Jones. Like many others, Company's Devon Jones. Like many others, Jones brought the war home. I Jones brought the war home. I Jones brought the war home. I >> mean, it was rough. I didn't do anything >> mean, it was rough. I didn't do anything >> mean, it was rough. I didn't do anything during the day. I moved at night. That during the day. I moved at night. That during the day. I moved at night. That was it. was it. was it. >> The anxiety of post-traumatic stress >> The anxiety of post-traumatic stress >> The anxiety of post-traumatic stress left him isolated and jobless. left him isolated and jobless. left him isolated and jobless. >> You're getting closer to closer to being >> You're getting closer to closer to being >> You're getting closer to closer to being on the streets. You're getting eviction on the streets. You're getting eviction on the streets. You're getting eviction notices. notices. notices. You're getting those and you're just You're getting those and you're just You're getting those and you're just like, man, this is this is bad. like, man, this is this is bad. like, man, this is this is bad. >> Did you lose the apartment? >> Did you lose the apartment? >> Did you lose the apartment? >> Yeah, I ended up end up losing it. end >> Yeah, I ended up end up losing it. end >> Yeah, I ended up end up losing it. end up uh up uh up uh >> Where'd you go? >> Where'd you go? >> Where'd you go? >> Uh for a little while I stayed in my >> Uh for a little while I stayed in my >> Uh for a little while I stayed in my storage unit. storage unit. storage unit. >> You were living in a storage unit? >> You were living in a storage unit? >> You were living in a storage unit? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Staying in the storage unit. Staying in the storage unit. Staying in the storage unit. >> Why aren't you reaching out for help? >> Why aren't you reaching out for help? >> Why aren't you reaching out for help? >> I felt like a complete idiot, like a >> I felt like a complete idiot, like a >> I felt like a complete idiot, like a complete failure. I went from being a complete failure. I went from being a complete failure. I went from being a very proud combat, you know, veteran very proud combat, you know, veteran very proud combat, you know, veteran that just to another, you know, that just to another, you know, that just to another, you know, percentage of the homeless vets.

percentage of the homeless vets. percentage of the homeless vets. It's so much easier to give up. It's so much easier to give up. It's so much easier to give up. You go from having a job, a stable job, You go from having a job, a stable job, You go from having a job, a stable job, having everyone that cares about you having everyone that cares about you having everyone that cares about you around you 24/7 to being alone, broke, around you 24/7 to being alone, broke, around you 24/7 to being alone, broke, eating saltine crackers, living in a eating saltine crackers, living in a eating saltine crackers, living in a storage unit. Who wouldn't want to die? storage unit. Who wouldn't want to die? storage unit. Who wouldn't want to die? >> But what torments Jones is that he isn't >> But what torments Jones is that he isn't >> But what torments Jones is that he isn't alone. There is the persistent presence alone. There is the persistent presence alone. There is the persistent presence of his friend Dennis Burrow. After of his friend Dennis Burrow. After of his friend Dennis Burrow. After Burrow was killed by a landmine, Golf Burrow was killed by a landmine, Golf Burrow was killed by a landmine, Golf Company put his name on a combat outpost Company put his name on a combat outpost Company put his name on a combat outpost so he wouldn't be forgotten. But it so he wouldn't be forgotten. But it so he wouldn't be forgotten. But it turns out that isn't the problem. The turns out that isn't the problem. The turns out that isn't the problem. The dead are immortal in the mind. dead are immortal in the mind. dead are immortal in the mind. >> Were you there when Burrow died? >> Were you there when Burrow died? >> Were you there when Burrow died? >> Yes. >> Yes, I was. >> Yes, I was. >> What happened? I'm not sure if I really want to go into I'm not sure if I really want to go into detail on that too much, you know. Um, I'm not I don't want to be the person I'm not I don't want to be the person that that the family hears that from if that that the family hears that from if that that the family hears that from if they don't already know.

they don't already know. they don't already know. You know, it's not easy to think about You know, it's not easy to think about You know, it's not easy to think about that day that day that day because um Sorry. I'm sorry that it's it's so hard Sorry. I'm sorry that it's it's so hard to remember that. It's all right. [sighs] It's all right. [sighs] [gasps] [gasps] [gasps] You're still looking out for Burrow. You're still looking out for Burrow. You're still looking out for Burrow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You never stop looking out for your You never stop looking out for your You never stop looking out for your team. team. team. Your team's everything. [snorts] I've Your team's everything. [snorts] I've Your team's everything. [snorts] I've had nightmares where I just been sitting had nightmares where I just been sitting had nightmares where I just been sitting there there there just staring at him. just staring at him. just staring at him. >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> Did you sometimes think you'd like to >> Did you sometimes think you'd like to >> Did you sometimes think you'd like to trade places? trade places? trade places? >> Every day.

>> Every day. >> Every day. Every single day. It's been a long time, bud. It's been a long time, bud. Miss you, dude. Nothing else to really Miss you, dude. Nothing else to really Miss you, dude. Nothing else to really say. say. say. Just look after us. look after, you Just look after us. look after, you Just look after us. look after, you know, everybody else, man. So, I'm know, everybody else, man. So, I'm know, everybody else, man. So, I'm thinking about you, bud. thinking about you, bud. thinking about you, bud. >> The men do look after one another. Phone >> The men do look after one another. Phone >> The men do look after one another. Phone calls at 3:00 a.m. to be reminded that calls at 3:00 a.m. to be reminded that calls at 3:00 a.m. to be reminded that what got them through combat will get what got them through combat will get what got them through combat will get them through whatever they're fighting them through whatever they're fighting them through whatever they're fighting now. There is a bond that only a vet can now. There is a bond that only a vet can now. There is a bond that only a vet can know, that does not loosen with time. know, that does not loosen with time. know, that does not loosen with time. >> Where do you think these Marines will be >> Where do you think these Marines will be >> Where do you think these Marines will be 5 years from now? What I really hope is, 5 years from now? What I really hope is, 5 years from now? What I really hope is, you know, five years from now, they're you know, five years from now, they're you know, five years from now, they're still coming together to see each other, still coming together to see each other, still coming together to see each other, to talk to each other, and they're to talk to each other, and they're to talk to each other, and they're talking about their kids and the things talking about their kids and the things talking about their kids and the things that are going on in their lives. So that are going on in their lives. So that are going on in their lives. So that they've been able to put that that they've been able to put that that they've been able to put that experience in perspective and use it as experience in perspective and use it as experience in perspective and use it as a foundation because I said that they a foundation because I said that they a foundation because I said that they these kids are our next greatest these kids are our next greatest these kids are our next greatest generation, but not necessarily because generation, but not necessarily because generation, but not necessarily because of what they did on the battlefield.

of what they did on the battlefield. of what they did on the battlefield. It's going to be because of what they It's going to be because of what they It's going to be because of what they did when they got home.