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For the last few months, the Lindsay For the last few months, the Lindsay Clancy trial has become a national Clancy trial has become a national Clancy trial has become a national obsession. obsession. obsession. >> Did you ask Lindsay why she did it? >> Did you ask Lindsay why she did it? >> Did you ask Lindsay why she did it? >> I asked her if she remembered it. >> I asked her if she remembered it. >> I asked her if she remembered it. >> Tonight, you'll hear from the father, >> Tonight, you'll hear from the father, >> Tonight, you'll hear from the father, Patrick Clancy, for the first time Patrick Clancy, for the first time Patrick Clancy, for the first time outside the courtroom. outside the courtroom. outside the courtroom. >> I try not to think about that night very >> I try not to think about that night very >> I try not to think about that night very often. often. often. Data centers have become the symbol of Data centers have become the symbol of Data centers have become the symbol of America's unease with big tech. America's unease with big tech. America's unease with big tech. >> How dare you? >> How dare you? >> How dare you? >> We are struggling to pay our bills. An >> We are struggling to pay our bills. An >> We are struggling to pay our bills. An issue uniting both Democrats and issue uniting both Democrats and issue uniting both Democrats and Republicans ahead of the midterms. Republicans ahead of the midterms. Republicans ahead of the midterms. >> I'm not going to vote red or blue. I'm >> I'm not going to vote red or blue. I'm >> I'm not going to vote red or blue. I'm going to vote for the candidate that is going to vote for the candidate that is going to vote for the candidate that is willing to speak up and put up and do willing to speak up and put up and do willing to speak up and put up and do something to help us with this issue. and their own. and their own. >> Shar was one of the great raceh horses >> Shar was one of the great raceh horses >> Shar was one of the great raceh horses in the world until he was kidnapped. in the world until he was kidnapped. in the world until he was kidnapped. >> What would the IRA want with a horse? It >> What would the IRA want with a horse? It >> What would the IRA want with a horse? It remains one of sport's enduring unsolved remains one of sport's enduring unsolved remains one of sport's enduring unsolved mysteries. mysteries. mysteries. >> Well, Shar wasn't any horse. He was the >> Well, Shar wasn't any horse. He was the >> Well, Shar wasn't any horse. He was the most expensive horse in the world.

most expensive horse in the world. most expensive horse in the world. >> I'm Leslie Stall. >> I'm Leslie Stall. >> I'm Leslie Stall. >> I'm John Worerheim. >> I'm John Worerheim. >> I'm John Worerheim. >> I'm Nora O'Donnell. I'm Ross Det. >> I'm Nora O'Donnell. I'm Ross Det. >> I'm Nora O'Donnell. I'm Ross Det. >> I'm Bill Whitaker. Those stories and >> I'm Bill Whitaker. Those stories and >> I'm Bill Whitaker. Those stories and more tonight on 60 Minutes. Over the last few months, a murder trial Over the last few months, a murder trial in Massachusetts has become a national in Massachusetts has become a national in Massachusetts has become a national obsession and a cultural roarshack test. obsession and a cultural roarshack test. obsession and a cultural roarshack test. The story of Lindseay Clancy, a labor The story of Lindseay Clancy, a labor The story of Lindseay Clancy, a labor and delivery nurse who killed her three and delivery nurse who killed her three and delivery nurse who killed her three children and then attempted suicide, has children and then attempted suicide, has children and then attempted suicide, has created a vortex of online theorizing created a vortex of online theorizing created a vortex of online theorizing and suspicion, and generated furious and suspicion, and generated furious and suspicion, and generated furious arguments about the relationship between arguments about the relationship between arguments about the relationship between mental illness and criminal fault, the mental illness and criminal fault, the mental illness and criminal fault, the ways in which the medical system fails ways in which the medical system fails ways in which the medical system fails mothers, and how men and women mothers, and how men and women mothers, and how men and women understand one another. At its heart, understand one another. At its heart, understand one another. At its heart, though, it's a story about a family and though, it's a story about a family and though, it's a story about a family and the worst tragedy imaginable. Tonight, the worst tragedy imaginable. Tonight, the worst tragedy imaginable. Tonight, you'll hear from the father, Patrick you'll hear from the father, Patrick you'll hear from the father, Patrick Clancy, for the first time since the Clancy, for the first time since the Clancy, for the first time since the trial, talking about how he tried to trial, talking about how he tried to trial, talking about how he tried to rebuild a life in the shadow of rebuild a life in the shadow of rebuild a life in the shadow of unbearable grief, and why he wants to unbearable grief, and why he wants to unbearable grief, and why he wants to put the focus back on the memory of his put the focus back on the memory of his put the focus back on the memory of his children, Kora, Dawson, and Ken. In the children, Kora, Dawson, and Ken. In the children, Kora, Dawson, and Ken. In the fall of 2022, when Ken was 5 months old, fall of 2022, when Ken was 5 months old, fall of 2022, when Ken was 5 months old, Patrick noticed that Lindsay was Patrick noticed that Lindsay was Patrick noticed that Lindsay was struggling.

struggling. struggling. It was October and um she went a few It was October and um she went a few It was October and um she went a few nights without sleeping. nights without sleeping. nights without sleeping. >> What did she tell you that she was >> What did she tell you that she was >> What did she tell you that she was experiencing then? experiencing then? experiencing then? >> She came downstairs one morning and she >> She came downstairs one morning and she >> She came downstairs one morning and she said, "I didn't sleep at all last said, "I didn't sleep at all last said, "I didn't sleep at all last night." And so I said, "You know, that's night." And so I said, "You know, that's night." And so I said, "You know, that's awful." And uh I'll I'll take the kids awful." And uh I'll I'll take the kids awful." And uh I'll I'll take the kids to school. You just focus on to school. You just focus on to school. You just focus on uh getting caught up on sleep. Did you uh getting caught up on sleep. Did you uh getting caught up on sleep. Did you know anything about postpartum mental know anything about postpartum mental know anything about postpartum mental illness before this experience started? illness before this experience started? illness before this experience started? >> No. I could piece together what it was >> No. I could piece together what it was >> No. I could piece together what it was like to be really, really anxious or like to be really, really anxious or like to be really, really anxious or depressed. depressed. depressed. Um, but I didn't know how to manage a Um, but I didn't know how to manage a Um, but I didn't know how to manage a postpartum illness. I think mental postpartum illness. I think mental postpartum illness. I think mental illness has this ability to be illness has this ability to be illness has this ability to be tragically deceptive. So, I'm I'm sure tragically deceptive. So, I'm I'm sure tragically deceptive. So, I'm I'm sure there are things that I didn't see. there are things that I didn't see. there are things that I didn't see. Patrick and Lindsay Clancy were living Patrick and Lindsay Clancy were living Patrick and Lindsay Clancy were living in the seaside town of Dubberry, in the seaside town of Dubberry, in the seaside town of Dubberry, Massachusetts. They were married six Massachusetts. They were married six Massachusetts. They were married six years. Months after the birth of their years. Months after the birth of their years. Months after the birth of their third child, Lindsay made repeated third child, Lindsay made repeated third child, Lindsay made repeated emergency room visits. She admitted emergency room visits. She admitted emergency room visits. She admitted herself to a program for patients with herself to a program for patients with herself to a program for patients with postpartum depression and was discharged postpartum depression and was discharged postpartum depression and was discharged after a day of treatment. She was also after a day of treatment. She was also after a day of treatment. She was also prescribed an escalating number of prescribed an escalating number of prescribed an escalating number of prescription drugs. Patrick said he prescription drugs. Patrick said he prescription drugs. Patrick said he struggled to help his wife navigate the struggled to help his wife navigate the struggled to help his wife navigate the medical system. What was the low point a medical system. What was the low point a medical system. What was the low point a few months in?

few months in? few months in? >> Uh I think December. December was a a it >> Uh I think December. December was a a it >> Uh I think December. December was a a it was a big struggle for her. Uh just a was a big struggle for her. Uh just a was a big struggle for her. Uh just a huge lack of sleep, deep deep huge lack of sleep, deep deep huge lack of sleep, deep deep depression, intrusive thoughts and um at depression, intrusive thoughts and um at depression, intrusive thoughts and um at the end of that month she went to the the end of that month she went to the the end of that month she went to the hospital. hospital. hospital. >> It was New Year's Eve when Lindsay >> It was New Year's Eve when Lindsay >> It was New Year's Eve when Lindsay checked herself into Mlan's psychiatric checked herself into Mlan's psychiatric checked herself into Mlan's psychiatric hospital. She was treated for depression hospital. She was treated for depression hospital. She was treated for depression and days later she was released. The and days later she was released. The and days later she was released. The family celebrated Kora's birthday on family celebrated Kora's birthday on family celebrated Kora's birthday on January 7th. January 7th. January 7th. >> She told you she wanted to come home. >> She told you she wanted to come home. >> She told you she wanted to come home. She did. She did. She did. >> 17 days later, the unthinkable. After >> 17 days later, the unthinkable. After >> 17 days later, the unthinkable. After taking Kora to a doctor's appointment taking Kora to a doctor's appointment taking Kora to a doctor's appointment earlier in the day, Lindsay asked earlier in the day, Lindsay asked earlier in the day, Lindsay asked Patrick to run an errand and pick up Patrick to run an errand and pick up Patrick to run an errand and pick up dinner. And when he returned home, he dinner. And when he returned home, he dinner. And when he returned home, he said he found her lying in the backyard, said he found her lying in the backyard, said he found her lying in the backyard, her throat and wrists cut, paralyzed her throat and wrists cut, paralyzed her throat and wrists cut, paralyzed after jumping from an upstairs window. after jumping from an upstairs window. after jumping from an upstairs window. In the basement, he said he found his In the basement, he said he found his In the basement, he said he found his children strangled. Kora and Dawson were children strangled. Kora and Dawson were children strangled. Kora and Dawson were dead. Ken somehow survived and was dead. Ken somehow survived and was dead. Ken somehow survived and was airlifted to Boston Children's Hospital.

airlifted to Boston Children's Hospital. airlifted to Boston Children's Hospital. So, I didn't have all the details of So, I didn't have all the details of So, I didn't have all the details of Ken's condition. I just knew that they Ken's condition. I just knew that they Ken's condition. I just knew that they got a heartbeat back. So, got a heartbeat back. So, got a heartbeat back. So, I remember um that night I I I really I remember um that night I I I really I remember um that night I I I really thought there was a chance that Ken thought there was a chance that Ken thought there was a chance that Ken would live. And I I remember just would live. And I I remember just would live. And I I remember just thinking, just give me one. Just give me thinking, just give me one. Just give me thinking, just give me one. Just give me one kid. And I would raise him as best I one kid. And I would raise him as best I one kid. And I would raise him as best I could and I would give him the best life could and I would give him the best life could and I would give him the best life I possibly could. And I tell him about I possibly could. And I tell him about I possibly could. And I tell him about his brother and sister. And I was his brother and sister. And I was his brother and sister. And I was holding out hope for that. And then when holding out hope for that. And then when holding out hope for that. And then when I got to the hospital, I saw the doctor. I got to the hospital, I saw the doctor. I got to the hospital, I saw the doctor. I saw the look on her face and and I I saw the look on her face and and I I saw the look on her face and and I knew that it it wasn't going to be a a knew that it it wasn't going to be a a knew that it it wasn't going to be a a good prognosis. good prognosis. good prognosis. >> Callen's heart kept beating for 4 days. >> Callen's heart kept beating for 4 days. >> Callen's heart kept beating for 4 days. I'm so grateful for those four days that I'm so grateful for those four days that I'm so grateful for those four days that I had with him I had with him I had with him and I'm so grateful he hung on. Did you talk to him in those four days? Did you talk to him in those four days? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Can you tell me anything you said?

Can you tell me anything you said? Can you tell me anything you said? >> I said I'm so sorry. And I got to I got to hold him. And I got to I got to hold him. I got to lay down next to him. >> During those hours with Ken, Clancy sat >> During those hours with Ken, Clancy sat and wrote tributes to each of his three and wrote tributes to each of his three and wrote tributes to each of his three children, typing with one hand while he children, typing with one hand while he children, typing with one hand while he held his baby's hand with the other. He held his baby's hand with the other. He held his baby's hand with the other. He said he was afraid if he didn't write said he was afraid if he didn't write said he was afraid if he didn't write about them, they would be forgotten. about them, they would be forgotten. about them, they would be forgotten. >> But it wasn't just about your kids. It >> But it wasn't just about your kids. It >> But it wasn't just about your kids. It also had something that I think a lot of also had something that I think a lot of also had something that I think a lot of people found at that moment people found at that moment people found at that moment incomprehensible, which was something incomprehensible, which was something incomprehensible, which was something about Lindsay. about Lindsay. about Lindsay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Where you forgave her. >> Where you forgave her. >> Where you forgave her. >> I saw headlines that said, you know, >> I saw headlines that said, you know, >> I saw headlines that said, you know, kill her mom and baby murderer monster kill her mom and baby murderer monster kill her mom and baby murderer monster and none of them were accurate. I and none of them were accurate. I and none of them were accurate. I believe that it was her mental illness believe that it was her mental illness believe that it was her mental illness that caused that. So, I shared those that caused that. So, I shared those that caused that. So, I shared those words. And I think when it comes to words. And I think when it comes to words. And I think when it comes to forgiveness, I also felt that if I forgiveness, I also felt that if I forgiveness, I also felt that if I didn't get there, didn't get there, didn't get there, I would be eaten up inside forever.

I would be eaten up inside forever. I would be eaten up inside forever. >> Did you ask Lindsay why she did it? >> Did you ask Lindsay why she did it? >> Did you ask Lindsay why she did it? >> Um, I asked her if she remembered it. >> Um, I asked her if she remembered it. >> Um, I asked her if she remembered it. >> And what did she say? >> And what did she say? >> And what did she say? >> She said it was like a dream. And >> She said it was like a dream. And >> She said it was like a dream. And uh, she remembered it much in the way uh, she remembered it much in the way uh, she remembered it much in the way you would remember a dream after waking you would remember a dream after waking you would remember a dream after waking up. Do you feel like you failed in some up. Do you feel like you failed in some up. Do you feel like you failed in some way in this period or do you feel like way in this period or do you feel like way in this period or do you feel like you did the best you could? you did the best you could? you did the best you could? >> I think I did the best I could with what >> I think I did the best I could with what >> I think I did the best I could with what I had at the time I had at the time I had at the time and I live with the outcome. I live with and I live with the outcome. I live with and I live with the outcome. I live with it every day. it every day. it every day. >> Has she ever asked for your forgiveness? >> Has she ever asked for your forgiveness? >> Has she ever asked for your forgiveness? >> Um, no. But I gave it to her. >> Um, no. But I gave it to her. >> Um, no. But I gave it to her. >> In the weeks after the tragedy, the >> In the weeks after the tragedy, the >> In the weeks after the tragedy, the crowds of mourners dispersed and crowds of mourners dispersed and crowds of mourners dispersed and Clancy's world emptied out. There was no Clancy's world emptied out. There was no Clancy's world emptied out. There was no family routine, no bedtime stories, no family routine, no bedtime stories, no family routine, no bedtime stories, no purpose. purpose. purpose. >> Everything just came to a screeching >> Everything just came to a screeching >> Everything just came to a screeching halt. halt. halt. And then there was a day where I And then there was a day where I And then there was a day where I uh really without thinking, I drove by uh really without thinking, I drove by uh really without thinking, I drove by their school and it was at the exact their school and it was at the exact their school and it was at the exact time that all of their friends were time that all of their friends were time that all of their friends were getting dropped off [snorts] getting dropped off [snorts] getting dropped off [snorts] and I was just I couldn't be there and I was just I couldn't be there and I was just I couldn't be there anymore.

anymore. anymore. >> Did you ever have suicidal thoughts >> Did you ever have suicidal thoughts >> Did you ever have suicidal thoughts yourself? Yeah, yourself? Yeah, yourself? Yeah, there was a time where I I didn't think there was a time where I I didn't think there was a time where I I didn't think I would live to see my 35th birthday, I would live to see my 35th birthday, I would live to see my 35th birthday, and I was completely fine with it. and I was completely fine with it. and I was completely fine with it. >> In April, unable to stay in Ducksberry, >> In April, unable to stay in Ducksberry, >> In April, unable to stay in Ducksberry, Clancy said he moved to New York City, Clancy said he moved to New York City, Clancy said he moved to New York City, seeking anonymity. seeking anonymity. seeking anonymity. >> 5 weeks after I moved to New York on May >> 5 weeks after I moved to New York on May >> 5 weeks after I moved to New York on May 26th, 26th, 26th, I had to figure out how I'm going to I had to figure out how I'm going to I had to figure out how I'm going to celebrate Ken's first birthday. And celebrate Ken's first birthday. And celebrate Ken's first birthday. And how do you celebrate your son's first how do you celebrate your son's first how do you celebrate your son's first birthday months after he's passed away? birthday months after he's passed away? birthday months after he's passed away? And so I go to St. Patrick's Cathedral. And so I go to St. Patrick's Cathedral. And so I go to St. Patrick's Cathedral. I light a candle and I say, "I love you, I light a candle and I say, "I love you, I light a candle and I say, "I love you, buddy." And I walk out on Fifth Avenue buddy." And I walk out on Fifth Avenue buddy." And I walk out on Fifth Avenue and I start crying my eyes out. and I start crying my eyes out. and I start crying my eyes out. And nobody cared. And was that good? And nobody cared. And was that good? And nobody cared. And was that good? Were you grateful for that? Were you grateful for that? Were you grateful for that? >> I thought, "This is where I need to be. >> I thought, "This is where I need to be. >> I thought, "This is where I need to be. >> I can grieve. Before >> I can grieve. Before >> I can grieve. Before moving, he had emptied the house in moving, he had emptied the house in moving, he had emptied the house in Dubberry, a home filled with the most Dubberry, a home filled with the most Dubberry, a home filled with the most visceral reminders of his children's visceral reminders of his children's visceral reminders of his children's lives.

lives. lives. What kind of things did you keep? What kind of things did you keep? What kind of things did you keep? >> Some of their toys, >> Some of their toys, >> Some of their toys, a lot of personal items, just things a lot of personal items, just things a lot of personal items, just things that reminded me of them. that reminded me of them. that reminded me of them. >> This is Dawson. >> This is Dawson. >> This is Dawson. >> Reminders now purposefully placed around >> Reminders now purposefully placed around >> Reminders now purposefully placed around his Manhattan apartment. A baby sloth his Manhattan apartment. A baby sloth his Manhattan apartment. A baby sloth that Ka carried everywhere. A photo of that Ka carried everywhere. A photo of that Ka carried everywhere. A photo of Ken wearing a bow tie almost bigger than Ken wearing a bow tie almost bigger than Ken wearing a bow tie almost bigger than him. him. him. Dawson's beloved and battered Dawson's beloved and battered Dawson's beloved and battered helicopter. helicopter. helicopter. >> Those are their real handprints. >> Those are their real handprints. >> Those are their real handprints. >> In their hometown of Ducks, Clancy found >> In their hometown of Ducks, Clancy found >> In their hometown of Ducks, Clancy found another way to keep them close. This another way to keep them close. This another way to keep them close. This brand new playground built to feature brand new playground built to feature brand new playground built to feature touchston for each child, sloths for his touchston for each child, sloths for his touchston for each child, sloths for his daughter, a firefighter for Dawson, and daughter, a firefighter for Dawson, and daughter, a firefighter for Dawson, and down the way, a toddler's play pen for down the way, a toddler's play pen for down the way, a toddler's play pen for Callen. Callen. Callen. >> Do you dream about them? >> Do you dream about them? >> Do you dream about them? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. all the time. all the time. all the time. >> Tell me a good dream. >> Tell me a good dream. >> Tell me a good dream. >> I remember early on having a dream >> I remember early on having a dream >> I remember early on having a dream maybe 6 months or a year after maybe 6 months or a year after maybe 6 months or a year after and I'm in the kitchen at the house and and I'm in the kitchen at the house and and I'm in the kitchen at the house and Cora walks in and I just look at her and Cora walks in and I just look at her and Cora walks in and I just look at her and I it was like I basically just said, I it was like I basically just said, I it was like I basically just said, "Where have you been?" And she comes up "Where have you been?" And she comes up "Where have you been?" And she comes up to me and gives me a big hug.

to me and gives me a big hug. to me and gives me a big hug. Those dreams are so real. Those dreams are so real. Those dreams are so real. It's It's It's It's like I'm lucid in those dreams. It's like I'm lucid in those dreams. It's like I'm lucid in those dreams. >> In July of this year, Lindsay Clancy >> In July of this year, Lindsay Clancy >> In July of this year, Lindsay Clancy went to trial for the killing of her went to trial for the killing of her went to trial for the killing of her three children. Her lawyers argued that three children. Her lawyers argued that three children. Her lawyers argued that she was suffering from dangerous she was suffering from dangerous she was suffering from dangerous postpartum psychosis and couldn't be postpartum psychosis and couldn't be postpartum psychosis and couldn't be held responsible for her actions. held responsible for her actions. held responsible for her actions. >> I'm going to declare a mistrial. >> I'm going to declare a mistrial. >> I'm going to declare a mistrial. >> Her trial ended with a hung jury. >> Her trial ended with a hung jury. >> Her trial ended with a hung jury. >> Meanwhile, Patrick was suddenly facing a >> Meanwhile, Patrick was suddenly facing a >> Meanwhile, Patrick was suddenly facing a trial by tick tock. trial by tick tock. trial by tick tock. >> This is why I think Patrick did it. I >> This is why I think Patrick did it. I >> This is why I think Patrick did it. I have so many questions. have so many questions. have so many questions. >> Not Lindsay. Patrick did it. >> Not Lindsay. Patrick did it. >> Not Lindsay. Patrick did it. >> You googled how to commit suicide. >> You googled how to commit suicide. >> You googled how to commit suicide. >> An online swarm of sleuths and >> An online swarm of sleuths and >> An online swarm of sleuths and influencers has been dissecting every influencers has been dissecting every influencers has been dissecting every detail of the case, developing theories detail of the case, developing theories detail of the case, developing theories that portray him as uncaring, that portray him as uncaring, that portray him as uncaring, unfaithful, and even the murderer of his unfaithful, and even the murderer of his unfaithful, and even the murderer of his children. children. children. >> How do you respond to people who have >> How do you respond to people who have >> How do you respond to people who have that idea about you? It's deeply harmful that idea about you? It's deeply harmful that idea about you? It's deeply harmful to the legacy of my children. It is a to the legacy of my children. It is a to the legacy of my children. It is a huge distraction from what really huge distraction from what really huge distraction from what really matters here, which is perinatal mental matters here, which is perinatal mental matters here, which is perinatal mental health. And it's done real harm to real health. And it's done real harm to real health. And it's done real harm to real people, people, people, myself included, but also others. How myself included, but also others. How myself included, but also others. How does it affect you directly? The stuff does it affect you directly? The stuff does it affect you directly? The stuff that's out there online, that's out there online, that's out there online, >> it's painful to see and it makes it >> it's painful to see and it makes it >> it's painful to see and it makes it difficult to be in public. And it's difficult to be in public. And it's difficult to be in public. And it's possible that some of those people possible that some of those people possible that some of those people after seeing lie after lie after lie, after seeing lie after lie after lie, after seeing lie after lie after lie, they start to believe it and that's what

they start to believe it and that's what they start to believe it and that's what we're left with. we're left with. we're left with. >> One of the catalysts for these theories >> One of the catalysts for these theories >> One of the catalysts for these theories was Patrick's apparent stoicism on the was Patrick's apparent stoicism on the was Patrick's apparent stoicism on the witness stand. witness stand. witness stand. >> Testifying is very difficult. On the >> Testifying is very difficult. On the >> Testifying is very difficult. On the second day, a lot of that was focused on second day, a lot of that was focused on second day, a lot of that was focused on the night of January 24th. We did take a the night of January 24th. We did take a the night of January 24th. We did take a break right before they played the 911 break right before they played the 911 break right before they played the 911 call which I knew was going to be just call which I knew was going to be just call which I knew was going to be just horrific and I went to a back room and I horrific and I went to a back room and I horrific and I went to a back room and I started having this massive traumatic started having this massive traumatic started having this massive traumatic panic attack. My heart was pounding and panic attack. My heart was pounding and panic attack. My heart was pounding and they put me in an ambulance. They they put me in an ambulance. They they put me in an ambulance. They offered me some medication but I said I offered me some medication but I said I offered me some medication but I said I I don't want it cuz I want to go back I don't want it cuz I want to go back I don't want it cuz I want to go back and I want to finish this so I can be and I want to finish this so I can be and I want to finish this so I can be done with this. I went back and I done with this. I went back and I done with this. I went back and I finished the testimony. Clancy says finished the testimony. Clancy says finished the testimony. Clancy says reaching out to survivors and experts in reaching out to survivors and experts in reaching out to survivors and experts in the field of postpartum health has the field of postpartum health has the field of postpartum health has helped him. helped him. helped him. >> I started reaching out to people at >> I started reaching out to people at >> I started reaching out to people at Postpartum Support International. Postpartum Support International. Postpartum Support International. I reached out to psychiatrists, experts I reached out to psychiatrists, experts I reached out to psychiatrists, experts in the field and I asked them, "What do in the field and I asked them, "What do in the field and I asked them, "What do you think happened?" And we we had some you think happened?" And we we had some you think happened?" And we we had some pretty deep conversations.

pretty deep conversations. pretty deep conversations. >> Those conversations helped Patrick come >> Those conversations helped Patrick come >> Those conversations helped Patrick come to terms with what happened. And so too to terms with what happened. And so too to terms with what happened. And so too has Dr. Rachel Danis, a fertility doctor has Dr. Rachel Danis, a fertility doctor has Dr. Rachel Danis, a fertility doctor who says they met in January of 2024 in who says they met in January of 2024 in who says they met in January of 2024 in a run club in New York. They got to know a run club in New York. They got to know a run club in New York. They got to know each other over coffee. each other over coffee. each other over coffee. >> Pat pulls out his phone to pay and I >> Pat pulls out his phone to pay and I >> Pat pulls out his phone to pay and I noticed this adorable photo of children noticed this adorable photo of children noticed this adorable photo of children as the wallpaper and I just asked who as the wallpaper and I just asked who as the wallpaper and I just asked who are those cuties and Pat had said those are those cuties and Pat had said those are those cuties and Pat had said those are my kids. And then I think I asked if are my kids. And then I think I asked if are my kids. And then I think I asked if they live in Massachusetts and Pat said they live in Massachusetts and Pat said they live in Massachusetts and Pat said they died. And this is just at the they died. And this is just at the they died. And this is just at the cashier. cashier. cashier. >> So what did you do then? >> So what did you do then? >> So what did you do then? >> I guess I had so many questions and yet >> I guess I had so many questions and yet >> I guess I had so many questions and yet at the same time I didn't know exactly at the same time I didn't know exactly at the same time I didn't know exactly what to ask. what to ask. what to ask. >> As they logged miles together, their >> As they logged miles together, their >> As they logged miles together, their relationship deepened. relationship deepened. relationship deepened. >> They got married in New York City this >> They got married in New York City this >> They got married in New York City this April. April. April. >> We talked a lot about what Pat carries, >> We talked a lot about what Pat carries, >> We talked a lot about what Pat carries, the grief that he carries along with the the grief that he carries along with the the grief that he carries along with the good memories. good memories. good memories. Do you think you help him carry that Do you think you help him carry that Do you think you help him carry that grief?

grief? grief? >> I hope. >> I hope. >> I hope. >> Do you think she helps you carry that >> Do you think she helps you carry that >> Do you think she helps you carry that grief? grief? grief? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, 100%. It's >> Yeah. I mean, 100%. It's >> Yeah. I mean, 100%. It's my my my life has changed since I met Rachel in life has changed since I met Rachel in life has changed since I met Rachel in such a positive way. I always um such a positive way. I always um such a positive way. I always um try to take some of the weight try to take some of the weight try to take some of the weight from Pat. I always want to strive to do from Pat. I always want to strive to do from Pat. I always want to strive to do that. I know I can't fix that. I know I can't fix that. I know I can't fix I can't bring his kids back. But if I I can't bring his kids back. But if I I can't bring his kids back. But if I can honor them can honor them can honor them and allow Pat to and allow Pat to and allow Pat to grieve but also just continue to honor grieve but also just continue to honor grieve but also just continue to honor them in the present. It um I guess them in the present. It um I guess them in the present. It um I guess that's all I can do. that's all I can do. that's all I can do. >> And you guys are starting a family. >> And you guys are starting a family. >> And you guys are starting a family. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. What are you going to tell your child What are you going to tell your child What are you going to tell your child about about about their brothers and sister? their brothers and sister? their brothers and sister? >> I think every parent can agree.

>> I think every parent can agree. >> I think every parent can agree. You have different relationships with You have different relationships with You have different relationships with your kids, your kids, your kids, but they're all your kids, but they're all your kids, but they're all your kids, and and and I can't wait to tell them about their I can't wait to tell them about their I can't wait to tell them about their brothers and sister. brothers and sister. brothers and sister. Patrick and Lindsay have each brought Patrick and Lindsay have each brought Patrick and Lindsay have each brought lawsuits against health care providers lawsuits against health care providers lawsuits against health care providers who treated her, alleging medical who treated her, alleging medical who treated her, alleging medical malpractice. Lindsay Clancy is being malpractice. Lindsay Clancy is being malpractice. Lindsay Clancy is being held in Tukesberry Hospital in held in Tukesberry Hospital in held in Tukesberry Hospital in Massachusetts, waiting to learn whether Massachusetts, waiting to learn whether Massachusetts, waiting to learn whether she will be retrieded for the murder of she will be retrieded for the murder of she will be retrieded for the murder of her children. and the world are in the midst of one of and the world are in the midst of one of the most profound technological the most profound technological the most profound technological revolutions in human history with revolutions in human history with revolutions in human history with artificial intelligence poised to artificial intelligence poised to artificial intelligence poised to transform nearly every aspect of how we transform nearly every aspect of how we transform nearly every aspect of how we live and work. Behind this seemingly live and work. Behind this seemingly live and work. Behind this seemingly invisible revolution is something very invisible revolution is something very invisible revolution is something very physical. Data centers. They are the physical. Data centers. They are the physical. Data centers. They are the factories of the AI age. vast industrial factories of the AI age. vast industrial factories of the AI age. vast industrial warehouses packed with powerful computer warehouses packed with powerful computer warehouses packed with powerful computer chips consuming enormous amounts of chips consuming enormous amounts of chips consuming enormous amounts of electricity. With more than 3,000 of electricity. With more than 3,000 of electricity. With more than 3,000 of them across the country and another them across the country and another them across the country and another 1,500 proposed, data centers are now one 1,500 proposed, data centers are now one 1,500 proposed, data centers are now one of the top issues in the midterm of the top issues in the midterm of the top issues in the midterm elections. So, we went to Texas, where elections. So, we went to Texas, where elections. So, we went to Texas, where everything is bigger, including the everything is bigger, including the everything is bigger, including the development of data centers to development of data centers to development of data centers to understand the backlash happening understand the backlash happening understand the backlash happening nationwide.

nationwide. nationwide. All this agricultural land will look All this agricultural land will look All this agricultural land will look like what? like what? like what? >> It'll be nothing but data center >> It'll be nothing but data center >> It'll be nothing but data center buildings, uh, concrete. This is just buildings, uh, concrete. This is just buildings, uh, concrete. This is just part of it. part of it. part of it. >> Yes, it's just one little bit as far as >> Yes, it's just one little bit as far as >> Yes, it's just one little bit as far as you can see. you can see. you can see. >> Jasmine Viegas lives on this quiet farm >> Jasmine Viegas lives on this quiet farm >> Jasmine Viegas lives on this quiet farm just outside Dallas, Texas. just outside Dallas, Texas. just outside Dallas, Texas. >> The data centers will be right there. >> The data centers will be right there. >> The data centers will be right there. When she learned that a data center When she learned that a data center When she learned that a data center campus almost three times the size of campus almost three times the size of campus almost three times the size of this one a few miles away would be built this one a few miles away would be built this one a few miles away would be built next door. This mother of five and next door. This mother of five and next door. This mother of five and Marine veteran felt called back to duty. Marine veteran felt called back to duty. Marine veteran felt called back to duty. >> How did you become the goto person at >> How did you become the goto person at >> How did you become the goto person at the center of this fight against the the center of this fight against the the center of this fight against the data centers? data centers? data centers? >> Ma'am, just because I'm not in uniform >> Ma'am, just because I'm not in uniform >> Ma'am, just because I'm not in uniform doesn't mean that my service to this doesn't mean that my service to this doesn't mean that my service to this country has ended. country has ended. country has ended. I stand strongly behind my oath that I I stand strongly behind my oath that I I stand strongly behind my oath that I took when I enlisted to, you know, took when I enlisted to, you know, took when I enlisted to, you know, protect and defend this constitution protect and defend this constitution protect and defend this constitution against all enemies, foreign and against all enemies, foreign and against all enemies, foreign and domestic. domestic. domestic. >> And you believe the data centers are an >> And you believe the data centers are an >> And you believe the data centers are an enemy?

enemy? enemy? >> We're not sure. That's the thing. It >> We're not sure. That's the thing. It >> We're not sure. That's the thing. It might not be an enemy per se, but how do might not be an enemy per se, but how do might not be an enemy per se, but how do I know that these chemicals or this I know that these chemicals or this I know that these chemicals or this pollution, water, air, noise, isn't pollution, water, air, noise, isn't pollution, water, air, noise, isn't going to affect my community, isn't going to affect my community, isn't going to affect my community, isn't going to affect me? going to affect me? going to affect me? >> How dare you? In town halls and on >> How dare you? In town halls and on >> How dare you? In town halls and on social media, data centers have become social media, data centers have become social media, data centers have become vessels for other worries and fears of vessels for other worries and fears of vessels for other worries and fears of rising prices, the power of the tech rising prices, the power of the tech rising prices, the power of the tech elite, congestion and crowding, and a elite, congestion and crowding, and a elite, congestion and crowding, and a dawning AI era that threatens dawning AI era that threatens dawning AI era that threatens livelihoods and futures. livelihoods and futures. livelihoods and futures. >> We are struggling to pay our bills. >> We are struggling to pay our bills. >> We are struggling to pay our bills. >> In Lowden County, Virginia, which has >> In Lowden County, Virginia, which has >> In Lowden County, Virginia, which has the world's highest concentration of the world's highest concentration of the world's highest concentration of data centers, electricity bills have data centers, electricity bills have data centers, electricity bills have surged in the last year. At least in surged in the last year. At least in surged in the last year. At least in part because of growing power demand. part because of growing power demand. part because of growing power demand. >> We live in the desert. We can't waste >> We live in the desert. We can't waste >> We live in the desert. We can't waste water. They will waste water. water. They will waste water. water. They will waste water. >> In Chandler, Arizona, residents worry >> In Chandler, Arizona, residents worry >> In Chandler, Arizona, residents worry about water being used to cool data about water being used to cool data about water being used to cool data centers when the state already has a centers when the state already has a centers when the state already has a shrinking supply. And in Red Oak, Texas, shrinking supply. And in Red Oak, Texas, shrinking supply. And in Red Oak, Texas, where Vieas lives, construction workers where Vieas lives, construction workers where Vieas lives, construction workers cars clog the roads for miles before cars clog the roads for miles before cars clog the roads for miles before dawn.

dawn. dawn. There they are concerned about all of There they are concerned about all of There they are concerned about all of these things. and they accuse the city these things. and they accuse the city these things. and they accuse the city council of operating in secrecy. council of operating in secrecy. council of operating in secrecy. >> And now you've been caught. You've been >> And now you've been caught. You've been >> And now you've been caught. You've been caught making decisions without caught making decisions without caught making decisions without transparency. transparency. transparency. >> Not one single person in that room was >> Not one single person in that room was >> Not one single person in that room was for the data center and the city council for the data center and the city council for the data center and the city council just went ahead and approved it. How did just went ahead and approved it. How did just went ahead and approved it. How did that make you feel? that make you feel? that make you feel? >> Angry. >> Angry. >> Angry. But instead of feeling defeated, But instead of feeling defeated, But instead of feeling defeated, it's like, oh, challenge accepted. it's like, oh, challenge accepted. it's like, oh, challenge accepted. >> The pressure is real. The people are >> The pressure is real. The people are >> The pressure is real. The people are concerned, and I think they have a right concerned, and I think they have a right concerned, and I think they have a right to be concerned because they don't know to be concerned because they don't know to be concerned because they don't know what's going to happen. what's going to happen. what's going to happen. >> Michael Weber is a professor at the >> Michael Weber is a professor at the >> Michael Weber is a professor at the University of Texas, whose specialty is University of Texas, whose specialty is University of Texas, whose specialty is the relationship between water and the relationship between water and the relationship between water and energy. When tech companies want to energy. When tech companies want to energy. When tech companies want to build in Texas, they call Weber for build in Texas, they call Weber for build in Texas, they call Weber for advice. I tell them, you need to pay advice. I tell them, you need to pay advice. I tell them, you need to pay your taxes and hire people and be power your taxes and hire people and be power your taxes and hire people and be power flexible, water positive, and carbon flexible, water positive, and carbon flexible, water positive, and carbon negative. negative. negative. >> You have kind of a less technical, more >> You have kind of a less technical, more >> You have kind of a less technical, more direct message for some of these tech direct message for some of these tech direct message for some of these tech companies.

companies. companies. >> Don't be a jerk. Basically, don't don't >> Don't be a jerk. Basically, don't don't >> Don't be a jerk. Basically, don't don't take the water. Don't break the grid. take the water. Don't break the grid. take the water. Don't break the grid. Um, don't ruin the land if you're good. Um, don't ruin the land if you're good. Um, don't ruin the land if you're good. >> Weber says data centers have been around >> Weber says data centers have been around >> Weber says data centers have been around for decades, but the speed of the for decades, but the speed of the for decades, but the speed of the construction and the size of those built construction and the size of those built construction and the size of those built for AI are unprecedented. for AI are unprecedented. for AI are unprecedented. >> The primary difference is they're >> The primary difference is they're >> The primary difference is they're larger. In the old days, and by old days larger. In the old days, and by old days larger. In the old days, and by old days I mean like two years ago, a large data I mean like two years ago, a large data I mean like two years ago, a large data center might have been five megawws. A center might have been five megawws. A center might have been five megawws. A new data center for AI might be a new data center for AI might be a new data center for AI might be a thousand megawatts. It's like 200 times thousand megawatts. It's like 200 times thousand megawatts. It's like 200 times larger. So the scale is much different. larger. So the scale is much different. larger. So the scale is much different. >> You look at the numbers, they're >> You look at the numbers, they're >> You look at the numbers, they're mindboggling. Meta, Amazon, Google, mindboggling. Meta, Amazon, Google, mindboggling. Meta, Amazon, Google, Microsoft expected to spend 1.5 Microsoft expected to spend 1.5 Microsoft expected to spend 1.5 trillion building data centers through trillion building data centers through trillion building data centers through next year. Why do we need so many? I next year. Why do we need so many? I next year. Why do we need so many? I talked to a lot of smart people and some talked to a lot of smart people and some talked to a lot of smart people and some say this will satiate but then there are say this will satiate but then there are say this will satiate but then there are other smart people who say the demand other smart people who say the demand other smart people who say the demand for intelligence will never be sad. So for intelligence will never be sad. So for intelligence will never be sad. So we will always want more data centers. we will always want more data centers. we will always want more data centers. We will always want more intelligence. We will always want more intelligence. We will always want more intelligence. >> That intelligence developing inside >> That intelligence developing inside >> That intelligence developing inside these hulking warehouses supporters these hulking warehouses supporters these hulking warehouses supporters believe will generate what's called AGI believe will generate what's called AGI believe will generate what's called AGI or artificial general intelligence that or artificial general intelligence that or artificial general intelligence that can match or surpass human capabilities.

can match or surpass human capabilities. can match or surpass human capabilities. That means in addition to autonomous That means in addition to autonomous That means in addition to autonomous cars and robotic factories, this cars and robotic factories, this cars and robotic factories, this additional computing power could pave additional computing power could pave additional computing power could pave the way for groundbreaking discoveries the way for groundbreaking discoveries the way for groundbreaking discoveries like curing cancer. And data centers like curing cancer. And data centers like curing cancer. And data centers aren't universally loathed. Building aren't universally loathed. Building aren't universally loathed. Building trade unions want more because of how trade unions want more because of how trade unions want more because of how much skilled labor is needed to build much skilled labor is needed to build much skilled labor is needed to build them. On the issue of water, they often them. On the issue of water, they often them. On the issue of water, they often aren't as draining as many believe. A aren't as draining as many believe. A aren't as draining as many believe. A CBS News analysis found golf courses CBS News analysis found golf courses CBS News analysis found golf courses nationwide use more than twice as much nationwide use more than twice as much nationwide use more than twice as much water as data centers. water as data centers. water as data centers. >> There's a race to power, a speed to >> There's a race to power, a speed to >> There's a race to power, a speed to power right now where all the AI power right now where all the AI power right now where all the AI companies are in a race to train up companies are in a race to train up companies are in a race to train up their models to win the AI arms race their models to win the AI arms race their models to win the AI arms race they call it. they call it. they call it. >> You're saying this is like a new arms >> You're saying this is like a new arms >> You're saying this is like a new arms race. race. race. >> There's national security implications >> There's national security implications >> There's national security implications on the line as well as great economic on the line as well as great economic on the line as well as great economic gains on the line. We in America want to gains on the line. We in America want to gains on the line. We in America want to have it first before a bad actor, say have it first before a bad actor, say have it first before a bad actor, say China or someone like that. In Texas, China or someone like that. In Texas, China or someone like that. In Texas, attracting big tech was the goal of attracting big tech was the goal of attracting big tech was the goal of Republican Governor Greg Abbott. Republican Governor Greg Abbott. Republican Governor Greg Abbott. >> Texas will be the centerpiece for AI >> Texas will be the centerpiece for AI >> Texas will be the centerpiece for AI data centers for Google in the entire data centers for Google in the entire data centers for Google in the entire world.

world. world. >> The Democrat running against him in >> The Democrat running against him in >> The Democrat running against him in November, Gina Enosa, has made data November, Gina Enosa, has made data November, Gina Enosa, has made data centers a key issue in her campaign and centers a key issue in her campaign and centers a key issue in her campaign and is calling for a temporary moratorum. is calling for a temporary moratorum. is calling for a temporary moratorum. But who authorized that? But who authorized that? But who authorized that? >> Greg Abbott. Abbott took 20 million in >> Greg Abbott. Abbott took 20 million in >> Greg Abbott. Abbott took 20 million in campaign donations from data center campaign donations from data center campaign donations from data center executives and companies. Governor executives and companies. Governor executives and companies. Governor Abbott has changed his tune, Abbott has changed his tune, Abbott has changed his tune, >> pushing back against these AI data >> pushing back against these AI data >> pushing back against these AI data centers that are trying to build in our centers that are trying to build in our centers that are trying to build in our neighborhoods. neighborhoods. neighborhoods. >> In August, he paused approval of new >> In August, he paused approval of new >> In August, he paused approval of new data centers that withdraw from the data centers that withdraw from the data centers that withdraw from the state's power grid until they complete state's power grid until they complete state's power grid until they complete an audit. an audit. an audit. >> You know, worry about the traffic, the >> You know, worry about the traffic, the >> You know, worry about the traffic, the congestion, the the noise. I worry about congestion, the the noise. I worry about congestion, the the noise. I worry about the environmental impacts and the the environmental impacts and the the environmental impacts and the impacts that it has on on where I live. impacts that it has on on where I live. impacts that it has on on where I live. Dave Low lives right by the proposed Dave Low lives right by the proposed Dave Low lives right by the proposed data center in Red Oak and told us he's data center in Red Oak and told us he's data center in Red Oak and told us he's a lifelong conservative Republican. a lifelong conservative Republican. a lifelong conservative Republican. >> Are you thinking about voting >> Are you thinking about voting >> Are you thinking about voting differently? differently? differently? >> This is the first time in in my adult >> This is the first time in in my adult >> This is the first time in in my adult life where there's been an issue that's life where there's been an issue that's life where there's been an issue that's come up that I feel like is going to come up that I feel like is going to come up that I feel like is going to directly impact me. And so this time directly impact me. And so this time directly impact me. And so this time around, I've made the decision that I'm around, I've made the decision that I'm around, I've made the decision that I'm not going to vote red or blue. I'm going not going to vote red or blue. I'm going not going to vote red or blue. I'm going to vote for the candidate that is to vote for the candidate that is to vote for the candidate that is willing to speak up and put up and do willing to speak up and put up and do willing to speak up and put up and do something to help us with this issue.

something to help us with this issue. something to help us with this issue. Opposition to data centers is one of the Opposition to data centers is one of the Opposition to data centers is one of the rare issues uniting Americans across the rare issues uniting Americans across the rare issues uniting Americans across the political divide. More than 60% of political divide. More than 60% of political divide. More than 60% of Republicans, independents, and Democrats Republicans, independents, and Democrats Republicans, independents, and Democrats all agree they don't want a data center all agree they don't want a data center all agree they don't want a data center where they live. Low in Vieas are part where they live. Low in Vieas are part where they live. Low in Vieas are part of a group of a few dozen Red Oak of a group of a few dozen Red Oak of a group of a few dozen Red Oak residents across the political spectrum residents across the political spectrum residents across the political spectrum who meet twice a month. who meet twice a month. who meet twice a month. >> Time is 4:02. We're starting. Thank you >> Time is 4:02. We're starting. Thank you >> Time is 4:02. We're starting. Thank you everyone for coming. everyone for coming. everyone for coming. >> Their primary focus is stopping a >> Their primary focus is stopping a >> Their primary focus is stopping a developer called Compass from building developer called Compass from building developer called Compass from building 10 twostory data centers in their rural 10 twostory data centers in their rural 10 twostory data centers in their rural neighborhood on agricultural land the neighborhood on agricultural land the neighborhood on agricultural land the size of Manhattan's central park. size of Manhattan's central park. size of Manhattan's central park. >> We need to know what feasibility studies >> We need to know what feasibility studies >> We need to know what feasibility studies the city of Red Oak has done before the city of Red Oak has done before the city of Red Oak has done before inviting the data centers in. If inviting the data centers in. If inviting the data centers in. If completed, this would be just one of completed, this would be just one of completed, this would be just one of seven campuses set to cover more than a seven campuses set to cover more than a seven campuses set to cover more than a quarter of the entire town of Red Oak, quarter of the entire town of Red Oak, quarter of the entire town of Red Oak, population about 20,000.

population about 20,000. population about 20,000. We wanted to talk to Compass and local We wanted to talk to Compass and local We wanted to talk to Compass and local leaders to understand why they think leaders to understand why they think leaders to understand why they think this project would be good for the town. this project would be good for the town. this project would be good for the town. They both declined to speak to 60 They both declined to speak to 60 They both declined to speak to 60 Minutes, but Compass CEO Chris Crosby Minutes, but Compass CEO Chris Crosby Minutes, but Compass CEO Chris Crosby said this in July. said this in July. said this in July. >> You know, we want to be part of the >> You know, we want to be part of the >> You know, we want to be part of the communities that we're in. And we want communities that we're in. And we want communities that we're in. And we want to be long-term job creators. We want to to be long-term job creators. We want to to be long-term job creators. We want to be places where there's continued be places where there's continued be places where there's continued investment and growth that comes as a investment and growth that comes as a investment and growth that comes as a result of us. result of us. result of us. >> Growth has also come to rural Hood >> Growth has also come to rural Hood >> Growth has also come to rural Hood County, 70 miles west of Red Oak, where County, 70 miles west of Red Oak, where County, 70 miles west of Red Oak, where there are nine proposals for data there are nine proposals for data there are nine proposals for data centers. centers. centers. >> We have a probably eight or nine, >> We have a probably eight or nine, >> We have a probably eight or nine, possibly 10,000 acres worth of data possibly 10,000 acres worth of data possibly 10,000 acres worth of data centers proposing to come in here. Dave centers proposing to come in here. Dave centers proposing to come in here. Dave Eagle is one of five elected officials Eagle is one of five elected officials Eagle is one of five elected officials on the commissioner's court which votes on the commissioner's court which votes on the commissioner's court which votes on them. They come out here to this very on them. They come out here to this very on them. They come out here to this very rural area. Who do you think they think rural area. Who do you think they think rural area. Who do you think they think they're dealing with? they're dealing with? they're dealing with? >> They think that they're dealing with >> They think that they're dealing with >> They think that they're dealing with some low information some low information some low information uh how can I put it? Country bumpkins uh how can I put it? Country bumpkins uh how can I put it? Country bumpkins maybe, so to speak.

maybe, so to speak. maybe, so to speak. >> One of Eagle's concerns is that the >> One of Eagle's concerns is that the >> One of Eagle's concerns is that the proposals are shrouded in secrecy. proposals are shrouded in secrecy. proposals are shrouded in secrecy. >> What are some of the names of these >> What are some of the names of these >> What are some of the names of these proposed projects? Well, they're proposed projects? Well, they're proposed projects? Well, they're interesting. They We have a Project interesting. They We have a Project interesting. They We have a Project Yellow, Project Red, Project Lion, Yellow, Project Red, Project Lion, Yellow, Project Red, Project Lion, Project Panther. Project Panther. Project Panther. >> Do you think maybe these developers want >> Do you think maybe these developers want >> Do you think maybe these developers want to make it hard to keep track of them? to make it hard to keep track of them? to make it hard to keep track of them? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> How so? >> How so? >> How so? >> Based on their track record, um, we've >> Based on their track record, um, we've >> Based on their track record, um, we've had to pry information out of them. had to pry information out of them. had to pry information out of them. >> Last year, an outofstate company came to >> Last year, an outofstate company came to >> Last year, an outofstate company came to the table with something they said would the table with something they said would the table with something they said would be a big win, but wouldn't say who was be a big win, but wouldn't say who was be a big win, but wouldn't say who was behind it. They just uh basically behind it. They just uh basically behind it. They just uh basically approached us in a way that they're approached us in a way that they're approached us in a way that they're going to bring a lot of jobs in here. going to bring a lot of jobs in here. going to bring a lot of jobs in here. They're going to be good neighbors. They're going to be good neighbors. They're going to be good neighbors. They're going to really upgrade the They're going to really upgrade the They're going to really upgrade the community, but they wouldn't tell us community, but they wouldn't tell us community, but they wouldn't tell us exactly what they wanted to do. They exactly what they wanted to do. They exactly what they wanted to do. They basically r to came in here to basically r to came in here to basically r to came in here to razledazzle me. razledazzle me. razledazzle me. >> They tried to razledazzle you, >> They tried to razledazzle you, >> They tried to razledazzle you, >> I think. So when I mean, how would you >> I think. So when I mean, how would you >> I think. So when I mean, how would you take it if it was you against eight take it if it was you against eight take it if it was you against eight others? It was kind of like, whoa, you others? It was kind of like, whoa, you others? It was kind of like, whoa, you know, this must be really big, you know?

know, this must be really big, you know? know, this must be really big, you know? >> Two months later, Eagle found out they >> Two months later, Eagle found out they >> Two months later, Eagle found out they were really big. Amazon Web Services was were really big. Amazon Web Services was were really big. Amazon Web Services was behind the proposal. We obtained the behind the proposal. We obtained the behind the proposal. We obtained the pitch. They asked the county for up to pitch. They asked the county for up to pitch. They asked the county for up to 90% in property tax rebates for 30 90% in property tax rebates for 30 90% in property tax rebates for 30 years. And you said, years. And you said, years. And you said, >> "I can't do that. There's no way I'd do >> "I can't do that. There's no way I'd do >> "I can't do that. There's no way I'd do that." that." that." >> But wouldn't bringing a big company like >> But wouldn't bringing a big company like >> But wouldn't bringing a big company like Amazon Web Services to Hood County Amazon Web Services to Hood County Amazon Web Services to Hood County actually lead to a lot more tax revenue actually lead to a lot more tax revenue actually lead to a lot more tax revenue that could benefit people here? Sure that could benefit people here? Sure that could benefit people here? Sure could. This is this is not giving 90% of could. This is this is not giving 90% of could. This is this is not giving 90% of it back to them. it back to them. it back to them. >> Eagle voted against the Amazon Web >> Eagle voted against the Amazon Web >> Eagle voted against the Amazon Web Services project, but it is moving Services project, but it is moving Services project, but it is moving forward in the next county over where forward in the next county over where forward in the next county over where AWS got the tax rebate it wanted. In a AWS got the tax rebate it wanted. In a AWS got the tax rebate it wanted. In a statement, Amazon said in part, "We statement, Amazon said in part, "We statement, Amazon said in part, "We ultimately decided to not build in Hood ultimately decided to not build in Hood ultimately decided to not build in Hood County. Where we do invest, we work with County. Where we do invest, we work with County. Where we do invest, we work with local leaders to create jobs and local leaders to create jobs and local leaders to create jobs and generate revenue for public services.

generate revenue for public services. generate revenue for public services. >> Woo! Come on, girls. >> Woo! Come on, girls. >> Woo! Come on, girls. >> Blake O'Quinn is a third generation >> Blake O'Quinn is a third generation >> Blake O'Quinn is a third generation Texas rancher. He's worried there won't Texas rancher. He's worried there won't Texas rancher. He's worried there won't be land for his cattle to graze or water be land for his cattle to graze or water be land for his cattle to graze or water for the herd to drink. for the herd to drink. for the herd to drink. >> Do you feel like your way of life is >> Do you feel like your way of life is >> Do you feel like your way of life is being threatened? I feel like if we don't make a stand and I feel like if we don't make a stand and educate the general public on what we do educate the general public on what we do educate the general public on what we do on a daily basis, yes, 100% it our our on a daily basis, yes, 100% it our our on a daily basis, yes, 100% it our our way of life can be threatened. way of life can be threatened. way of life can be threatened. >> This technological revolution is >> This technological revolution is >> This technological revolution is expected to transform rural America with expected to transform rural America with expected to transform rural America with 2third of the proposed data centers 2third of the proposed data centers 2third of the proposed data centers planned in places more used to planned in places more used to planned in places more used to farmhouses than warehouses. farmhouses than warehouses. farmhouses than warehouses. >> We're not all against change. That's not >> We're not all against change. That's not >> We're not all against change. That's not it. it. it. but the values, the traditions. We were but the values, the traditions. We were but the values, the traditions. We were blessed with this land. We're stewards blessed with this land. We're stewards blessed with this land. We're stewards of this land. We're here to take care of of this land. We're here to take care of of this land. We're here to take care of it and pass it on to the next generation it and pass it on to the next generation it and pass it on to the next generation of Texans. Rural Texans are going to of Texans. Rural Texans are going to of Texans. Rural Texans are going to fight as hard as anybody cuz that's all fight as hard as anybody cuz that's all fight as hard as anybody cuz that's all we know how to do. We won't give up.

we know how to do. We won't give up. we know how to do. We won't give up. We're going to keep fighting against big We're going to keep fighting against big We're going to keep fighting against big tech AI and uh we'll prevail. Legends, lore, the oral tradition. For Legends, lore, the oral tradition. For centuries, they've come stitched into centuries, they've come stitched into centuries, they've come stitched into the Irish national tapestry. Add this the Irish national tapestry. Add this the Irish national tapestry. Add this one to the anthology. The story of one to the anthology. The story of one to the anthology. The story of Shurgar, a champion racehorse, Ireland's Shurgar, a champion racehorse, Ireland's Shurgar, a champion racehorse, Ireland's answer to secretariat, who dominated answer to secretariat, who dominated answer to secretariat, who dominated tracks in the early 80s until he was tracks in the early 80s until he was tracks in the early 80s until he was kidnapped. The crime was thought to be kidnapped. The crime was thought to be kidnapped. The crime was thought to be an Irish Republican Army plot launched an Irish Republican Army plot launched an Irish Republican Army plot launched amid the troubles, the violent conflict amid the troubles, the violent conflict amid the troubles, the violent conflict that convulsed Northern Ireland for 30 that convulsed Northern Ireland for 30 that convulsed Northern Ireland for 30 years. All this time later, the horse years. All this time later, the horse years. All this time later, the horse was never found, no one's been arrested, was never found, no one's been arrested, was never found, no one's been arrested, and one of sport's great unsolved and one of sport's great unsolved and one of sport's great unsolved mysteries has never moved beyond cold mysteries has never moved beyond cold mysteries has never moved beyond cold case status. With central figures dying case status. With central figures dying case status. With central figures dying off, and memories fading, we ventured to off, and memories fading, we ventured to off, and memories fading, we ventured to horse country, not far from Dublin in horse country, not far from Dublin in horse country, not far from Dublin in County Kildair.

A vast carpet of unfurling grass. This A vast carpet of unfurling grass. This is the Kura Gaelic for place of the is the Kura Gaelic for place of the is the Kura Gaelic for place of the running horse. A thousand years ago, kings and chiefs A thousand years ago, kings and chiefs race chariots here. race chariots here. race chariots here. Now it's the beating heart of Ireland's Now it's the beating heart of Ireland's Now it's the beating heart of Ireland's thoroughbred racing industry. The last thoroughbred racing industry. The last thoroughbred racing industry. The last place you'd peg for the setting of an place you'd peg for the setting of an place you'd peg for the setting of an ill- fated kidnapping. ill- fated kidnapping. ill- fated kidnapping. >> Inside the final furong, it is fixation. >> Inside the final furong, it is fixation. >> Inside the final furong, it is fixation. Pulling away from Jano and Touch the Pulling away from Jano and Touch the Pulling away from Jano and Touch the Moon is fixation. Moon is fixation. Moon is fixation. Over the last weekend in June, the Kura Over the last weekend in June, the Kura Over the last weekend in June, the Kura is home to the Irish Derby or Derby as is home to the Irish Derby or Derby as is home to the Irish Derby or Derby as they say here. The best in breed come they say here. The best in breed come they say here. The best in breed come from all over. But in 1981, it was won from all over. But in 1981, it was won from all over. But in 1981, it was won by a local Shar born in a nearby stable. by a local Shar born in a nearby stable. by a local Shar born in a nearby stable. >> And there he is, Shar. >> And there he is, Shar. >> And there he is, Shar. >> And who knew it at the time, but his >> And who knew it at the time, but his >> And who knew it at the time, but his saga was barely getting out of the gate. saga was barely getting out of the gate. saga was barely getting out of the gate. >> And they're off. And here he comes. It's >> And they're off. And here he comes. It's >> And they're off. And here he comes. It's Shar coming on now. Shar marking himself Shar coming on now. Shar marking himself Shar coming on now. Shar marking himself once again. a really great horse. once again. a really great horse. once again. a really great horse. >> Was it easier than you thought it would >> Was it easier than you thought it would >> Was it easier than you thought it would be? be? be? >> That's commentator Derek Thompson asking >> That's commentator Derek Thompson asking >> That's commentator Derek Thompson asking the question and trying to keep up with the question and trying to keep up with the question and trying to keep up with Shar on his way to another winner Shar on his way to another winner Shar on his way to another winner circle. What was Shar like up close?

circle. What was Shar like up close? circle. What was Shar like up close? >> He was just a beautiful mover. He had a >> He was just a beautiful mover. He had a >> He was just a beautiful mover. He had a white face which I think enders him to white face which I think enders him to white face which I think enders him to the crowd. You know, you could see him. the crowd. You know, you could see him. the crowd. You know, you could see him. Hey, that's Shar. As a commentator, you Hey, that's Shar. As a commentator, you Hey, that's Shar. As a commentator, you look for things like that. It was Shar's look for things like that. It was Shar's look for things like that. It was Shar's overwhelming speed and stride that overwhelming speed and stride that overwhelming speed and stride that distinguished him at the 1981 Epsom distinguished him at the 1981 Epsom distinguished him at the 1981 Epsom Derby, England's equivalent of the Derby, England's equivalent of the Derby, England's equivalent of the Kentucky Derby. Kentucky Derby. Kentucky Derby. >> The way he won the derby uh that day at >> The way he won the derby uh that day at >> The way he won the derby uh that day at Epsom, Epsom, Epsom, >> HE'S ON HIS OWN >> HE'S ON HIS OWN >> HE'S ON HIS OWN >> and he won by 10 lers. >> and he won by 10 lers. >> and he won by 10 lers. >> The guy who rode the second horse, he >> The guy who rode the second horse, he >> The guy who rode the second horse, he was long-sighted so and he couldn't wear was long-sighted so and he couldn't wear was long-sighted so and he couldn't wear his glasses obviously when he was his glasses obviously when he was his glasses obviously when he was riding. So when he passed the post, he riding. So when he passed the post, he riding. So when he passed the post, he thought he'd won. Give us a sense where thought he'd won. Give us a sense where thought he'd won. Give us a sense where Shard ranks historically among Shard ranks historically among Shard ranks historically among thoroughbred raceh horses. thoroughbred raceh horses. thoroughbred raceh horses. >> Probably the best of all time. >> Probably the best of all time. >> Probably the best of all time. >> You say that as someone who's seen a lot >> You say that as someone who's seen a lot >> You say that as someone who's seen a lot of racing. of racing. of racing. >> I have and I can tell you and that's >> I have and I can tell you and that's >> I have and I can tell you and that's true. true. true. >> What does the future typically hold for >> What does the future typically hold for >> What does the future typically hold for a horse like Shar once he's done racing a horse like Shar once he's done racing a horse like Shar once he's done racing >> becomes a stallion. All right. And when >> becomes a stallion. All right. And when >> becomes a stallion. All right. And when you become a stallion you become a very you become a stallion you become a very you become a stallion you become a very lucky lad.

lucky lad. lucky lad. >> That is after getting a hero's welcome >> That is after getting a hero's welcome >> That is after getting a hero's welcome back in County Kildair. Shar was put out back in County Kildair. Shar was put out back in County Kildair. Shar was put out to stud. to stud. to stud. >> His highness, the Aakhan. And >> His highness, the Aakhan. And >> His highness, the Aakhan. And >> the other lucky lad, Shgar's owner, the >> the other lucky lad, Shgar's owner, the >> the other lucky lad, Shgar's owner, the late Aakhan, spiritual leader of the late Aakhan, spiritual leader of the late Aakhan, spiritual leader of the Israeli Muslims, one of the richest Israeli Muslims, one of the richest Israeli Muslims, one of the richest royals in the world. He retired Shar to royals in the world. He retired Shar to royals in the world. He retired Shar to Bali Manny Stud Farm, hoping to create a Bali Manny Stud Farm, hoping to create a Bali Manny Stud Farm, hoping to create a dynasty of sorts, syndicating the horse, dynasty of sorts, syndicating the horse, dynasty of sorts, syndicating the horse, selling 40 shares for $250,000 each, selling 40 shares for $250,000 each, selling 40 shares for $250,000 each, totaling more than $50 million in totaling more than $50 million in totaling more than $50 million in today's currency. today's currency. today's currency. But fortunes changed on the night of But fortunes changed on the night of But fortunes changed on the night of February 8th, 1983 when masked men with February 8th, 1983 when masked men with February 8th, 1983 when masked men with guns broke into Bali Manny and kidnapped guns broke into Bali Manny and kidnapped guns broke into Bali Manny and kidnapped Shar. Shar. Shar. >> Belfastbased filmmaker Allison Miller is >> Belfastbased filmmaker Allison Miller is >> Belfastbased filmmaker Allison Miller is one of the few people to interview one of the few people to interview one of the few people to interview Shar's head groom, Jim Fitzgerald, who Shar's head groom, Jim Fitzgerald, who Shar's head groom, Jim Fitzgerald, who was there that night. What was your was there that night. What was your was there that night. What was your impression of him? impression of him? impression of him? >> Oh, Jim. Uh, my impression was that he >> Oh, Jim. Uh, my impression was that he >> Oh, Jim. Uh, my impression was that he was absolutely haunted, traumatized by was absolutely haunted, traumatized by was absolutely haunted, traumatized by the whole experience. the whole experience. the whole experience. >> Never got over the trauma? No, never.

>> Never got over the trauma? No, never. >> Never got over the trauma? No, never. >> Before he died, Fitzgerald opened up to >> Before he died, Fitzgerald opened up to >> Before he died, Fitzgerald opened up to Miller, recalling what happened. She Miller, recalling what happened. She Miller, recalling what happened. She showed us the interview from her showed us the interview from her showed us the interview from her documentary, Searching for Sugar. documentary, Searching for Sugar. documentary, Searching for Sugar. >> Tell me what happened. Can you remember >> Tell me what happened. Can you remember >> Tell me what happened. Can you remember it, Jim? it, Jim? it, Jim? >> I'll tell you now. >> I'll tell you now. >> I'll tell you now. It was in early February and we were in It was in early February and we were in It was in early February and we were in the sitting room and the next thing a the sitting room and the next thing a the sitting room and the next thing a knock come out the door and these knock come out the door and these knock come out the door and these [music] gangsters came in with guns [music] gangsters came in with guns [music] gangsters came in with guns >> and they shouted at everyone to get >> and they shouted at everyone to get >> and they shouted at everyone to get down, get down. and they put his wife down, get down. and they put his wife down, get down. and they put his wife and children all down the floor and they and children all down the floor and they and children all down the floor and they ordered him by gunpoint to come out and ordered him by gunpoint to come out and ordered him by gunpoint to come out and take them down to the stable where Shar take them down to the stable where Shar take them down to the stable where Shar was. was. was. >> Fitzgerald was bundled into a car driven >> Fitzgerald was bundled into a car driven >> Fitzgerald was bundled into a car driven about 30 mi from the farm then released about 30 mi from the farm then released about 30 mi from the farm then released while the kidnappers made off with while the kidnappers made off with while the kidnappers made off with Sugarar. Sugarar. Sugarar. >> He had the gun pointed at his head and >> He had the gun pointed at his head and >> He had the gun pointed at his head and told to get out of the car and shut up. told to get out of the car and shut up. told to get out of the car and shut up. Don't talk about this. Don't talk about this. Don't talk about this. This forced silence was familiar in This forced silence was familiar in This forced silence was familiar in Northern Ireland, a hallmark of the IRA, Northern Ireland, a hallmark of the IRA, Northern Ireland, a hallmark of the IRA, but fairly unusual just two hours south but fairly unusual just two hours south but fairly unusual just two hours south in pastoral Kildair. in pastoral Kildair. in pastoral Kildair. >> All this occurred during the the context >> All this occurred during the the context >> All this occurred during the the context is the troubles. Describe Northern is the troubles. Describe Northern is the troubles. Describe Northern Ireland at the time.

Ireland at the time. Ireland at the time. >> So at the time when Versa was taken, we >> So at the time when Versa was taken, we >> So at the time when Versa was taken, we just come through a period in Northern just come through a period in Northern just come through a period in Northern Ireland where there had been uh many Ireland where there had been uh many Ireland where there had been uh many years of bombings and shootings and years of bombings and shootings and years of bombings and shootings and killings. The sectarian violence rocked Northern The sectarian violence rocked Northern Ireland for almost 30 years, pitting Ireland for almost 30 years, pitting Ireland for almost 30 years, pitting Catholics against Protestants, mostly Catholics against Protestants, mostly Catholics against Protestants, mostly over questions of British rule. The IRA, over questions of British rule. The IRA, over questions of British rule. The IRA, the Catholic paramilitary group, raised the Catholic paramilitary group, raised the Catholic paramilitary group, raised funds for their campaign through bank funds for their campaign through bank funds for their campaign through bank and post office robberies, which and post office robberies, which and post office robberies, which provokes the question, what would the provokes the question, what would the provokes the question, what would the IRA want with a horse? IRA want with a horse? IRA want with a horse? >> Well, Shargo wasn't any horse. He was >> Well, Shargo wasn't any horse. He was >> Well, Shargo wasn't any horse. He was the most expensive horse in the world. the most expensive horse in the world. the most expensive horse in the world. The bank robberies weren't paying off. The bank robberies weren't paying off. The bank robberies weren't paying off. Someone had come up with the idea of Someone had come up with the idea of Someone had come up with the idea of kidnapping Sherar and holding them to kidnapping Sherar and holding them to kidnapping Sherar and holding them to ransom. ransom. ransom. >> This is transactional. This isn't >> This is transactional. This isn't >> This is transactional. This isn't symbolic. This is just pragmatically symbolic. This is just pragmatically symbolic. This is just pragmatically what's going to get us a lot of money. what's going to get us a lot of money. what's going to get us a lot of money. >> They wanted cash for guns. >> They wanted cash for guns. >> They wanted cash for guns. >> When police arrived at Bali Manny the >> When police arrived at Bali Manny the >> When police arrived at Bali Manny the next morning, there were hardly any next morning, there were hardly any next morning, there were hardly any clues. The following day brought an clues. The following day brought an clues. The following day brought an unusual call to Derek Thompson, who was unusual call to Derek Thompson, who was unusual call to Derek Thompson, who was working in London.

working in London. working in London. >> The phone went off at 2:00 in the >> The phone went off at 2:00 in the >> The phone went off at 2:00 in the morning. This is a press association in morning. This is a press association in morning. This is a press association in Fleet Street, which is a main Fleet Street, which is a main Fleet Street, which is a main hub of newspapers. The kidnappers of hub of newspapers. The kidnappers of hub of newspapers. The kidnappers of Shogar want to talk to you. Said, "What? Shogar want to talk to you. Said, "What? Shogar want to talk to you. Said, "What? You they want you to fly out to to You they want you to fly out to to You they want you to fly out to to Belfast in the morning." Belfast in the morning." Belfast in the morning." >> Unlikely hostage negotiators, Thompson >> Unlikely hostage negotiators, Thompson >> Unlikely hostage negotiators, Thompson and two other horse racing journalists and two other horse racing journalists and two other horse racing journalists were summoned to Belfast by the were summoned to Belfast by the were summoned to Belfast by the kidnappers. kidnappers. kidnappers. >> We just jumped out of the taxi and >> We just jumped out of the taxi and >> We just jumped out of the taxi and looked and this was the Europa Hotel, looked and this was the Europa Hotel, looked and this was the Europa Hotel, the most bombed hotel in Europe. And as the most bombed hotel in Europe. And as the most bombed hotel in Europe. And as soon as I walked in, a voice came over soon as I walked in, a voice came over soon as I walked in, a voice came over the uh hotel intercom. Uh phone call for the uh hotel intercom. Uh phone call for the uh hotel intercom. Uh phone call for Mr. Thompson. Mr. Thompson. Mr. Thompson. >> How far is that from the Belfast? >> How far is that from the Belfast? >> How far is that from the Belfast? >> A voice on the other end directed >> A voice on the other end directed >> A voice on the other end directed Thompson to a farmhouse 30 m outside Thompson to a farmhouse 30 m outside Thompson to a farmhouse 30 m outside Belfast. Belfast. Belfast. >> And it was just amazing. For the next 12 >> And it was just amazing. For the next 12 >> And it was just amazing. For the next 12 hours, we had phone call after phone hours, we had phone call after phone hours, we had phone call after phone call. call. call. >> Did they mention a ransom? >> Did they mention a ransom? >> Did they mention a ransom? >> They said things like, "We've got the >> They said things like, "We've got the >> They said things like, "We've got the horse. Uh we want you to negotiate a horse. Uh we want you to negotiate a horse. Uh we want you to negotiate a price for the horse. This is what we price for the horse. This is what we price for the horse. This is what we want. We want the money.

want. We want the money. want. We want the money. >> The Aakhan's office received calls, too. >> The Aakhan's office received calls, too. >> The Aakhan's office received calls, too. Ransom demands kept changing. £40,000 Ransom demands kept changing. £40,000 Ransom demands kept changing. £40,000 one day, 2 million the next. And 3 days one day, 2 million the next. And 3 days one day, 2 million the next. And 3 days after the kidnapping, a vague final call after the kidnapping, a vague final call after the kidnapping, a vague final call to Derek Thompson's camp. to Derek Thompson's camp. to Derek Thompson's camp. >> The horse has had an accident. He's >> The horse has had an accident. He's >> The horse has had an accident. He's dead. And the phone went down. dead. And the phone went down. dead. And the phone went down. >> That was the last contact you had with >> That was the last contact you had with >> That was the last contact you had with the kidnappers. the kidnappers. the kidnappers. >> That's the last we heard. >> That's the last we heard. >> That's the last we heard. >> With a champion stallion missing, the >> With a champion stallion missing, the >> With a champion stallion missing, the investigation continued. Police gave investigation continued. Police gave investigation continued. Police gave daily updates to say not much. daily updates to say not much. daily updates to say not much. >> Are you any further ahead than you were >> Are you any further ahead than you were >> Are you any further ahead than you were yesterday? yesterday? yesterday? >> I regret to say that I'm not. >> I regret to say that I'm not. >> I regret to say that I'm not. >> The country became ever more captivated >> The country became ever more captivated >> The country became ever more captivated by the deepening [music] mystery. by the deepening [music] mystery. by the deepening [music] mystery. Inevitably, an Irish folk song followed. Inevitably, an Irish folk song followed. Inevitably, an Irish folk song followed. [music and singing] >> You've baffled all the boys in blue. So, >> You've baffled all the boys in blue. So, um, it did [music] become a circus. The um, it did [music] become a circus. The um, it did [music] become a circus. The circus included crimesolving circus included crimesolving circus included crimesolving clairvoyance.

clairvoyance. clairvoyance. >> People kept turning up going, "We're >> People kept turning up going, "We're >> People kept turning up going, "We're going to find the horse." Like, "Hey, going to find the horse." Like, "Hey, going to find the horse." Like, "Hey, I'm Doris and Jimmy and I'm going to I'm Doris and Jimmy and I'm going to I'm Doris and Jimmy and I'm going to find the horse." And there was people find the horse." And there was people find the horse." And there was people ringing up the helplines were getting ringing up the helplines were getting ringing up the helplines were getting bonkers. People saying, "Hey, we found bonkers. People saying, "Hey, we found bonkers. People saying, "Hey, we found the horse." And it wasn't. It was like a the horse." And it wasn't. It was like a the horse." And it wasn't. It was like a dead sheep. dead sheep. dead sheep. >> What happened to Shurgar? As the story >> What happened to Shurgar? As the story >> What happened to Shurgar? As the story became an international sensation, became an international sensation, became an international sensation, theories toggled between the theories toggled between the theories toggled between the preposterous and the merely unlikely. preposterous and the merely unlikely. preposterous and the merely unlikely. stolen to pay off US mafia debt. Shipped stolen to pay off US mafia debt. Shipped stolen to pay off US mafia debt. Shipped to Libya for Omar Gaddafi. All to Libya for Omar Gaddafi. All to Libya for Omar Gaddafi. All unimaginable ends to an elite stallion unimaginable ends to an elite stallion unimaginable ends to an elite stallion from County Kildair from County Kildair from County Kildair where horses have the right of way. 80 m where horses have the right of way. 80 m where horses have the right of way. 80 m of gallop surrounded by all that of gallop surrounded by all that of gallop surrounded by all that unplowed grass, rich in limestone, good unplowed grass, rich in limestone, good unplowed grass, rich in limestone, good for horsebones, and fertilized by for horsebones, and fertilized by for horsebones, and fertilized by roaming sheep. In other words, equin roaming sheep. In other words, equin roaming sheep. In other words, equin heaven. heaven. heaven. We met the de facto dean of the Kura, We met the de facto dean of the Kura, We met the de facto dean of the Kura, Richard Brabazon, whose family has Richard Brabazon, whose family has Richard Brabazon, whose family has trained horses here for generations. trained horses here for generations. trained horses here for generations. >> Yeah, that's meant to be the way of >> Yeah, that's meant to be the way of >> Yeah, that's meant to be the way of saying hello. You just breathe into saying hello. You just breathe into saying hello. You just breathe into their nose, you know, but he's a their nose, you know, but he's a their nose, you know, but he's a particularly friendly horse.

particularly friendly horse. particularly friendly horse. >> We asked him about Shar. >> We asked him about Shar. >> We asked him about Shar. >> I mean, no one knows what happened. I >> I mean, no one knows what happened. I >> I mean, no one knows what happened. I think it's fair to say there was an think it's fair to say there was an think it's fair to say there was an accident, do you know, and he was accident, do you know, and he was accident, do you know, and he was killed. The only thing that puzzles me killed. The only thing that puzzles me killed. The only thing that puzzles me is it's a very big operation to take a is it's a very big operation to take a is it's a very big operation to take a horse. If you ask me to do it myself, I horse. If you ask me to do it myself, I horse. If you ask me to do it myself, I find it hard to cover it up. You know, find it hard to cover it up. You know, find it hard to cover it up. You know, say how do you deal with a big animal say how do you deal with a big animal say how do you deal with a big animal like this? You know, not easy. Um, I like this? You know, not easy. Um, I like this? You know, not easy. Um, I buried a donkey once and it took me half buried a donkey once and it took me half buried a donkey once and it took me half the day. the day. the day. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> So donkey notwithstanding, most people >> So donkey notwithstanding, most people >> So donkey notwithstanding, most people here believe the kidnappers couldn't here believe the kidnappers couldn't here believe the kidnappers couldn't handle a stallion like Shurgar and shot handle a stallion like Shurgar and shot handle a stallion like Shurgar and shot him within a couple of days. That theory him within a couple of days. That theory him within a couple of days. That theory was circulated in a 1998 memoir of a was circulated in a 1998 memoir of a was circulated in a 1998 memoir of a former IRA member turned informant Shaun former IRA member turned informant Shaun former IRA member turned informant Shaun O' Callahan now dead. He wrote that the O' Callahan now dead. He wrote that the O' Callahan now dead. He wrote that the kidnappers drove Shgard to County kidnappers drove Shgard to County kidnappers drove Shgard to County Literum near the border with Northern Literum near the border with Northern Literum near the border with Northern Ireland. Ireland. Ireland. That's where we met journalist Tommy That's where we met journalist Tommy That's where we met journalist Tommy Conland. Holland wrote a book about Conland. Holland wrote a book about Conland. Holland wrote a book about another 1983 kidnapping. This one human, another 1983 kidnapping. This one human, another 1983 kidnapping. This one human, a supermarket executive rescued in the a supermarket executive rescued in the a supermarket executive rescued in the woods here after 23 days in IRA woods here after 23 days in IRA woods here after 23 days in IRA captivity. And Conland says Shar's captivity. And Conland says Shar's captivity. And Conland says Shar's capttors would have found a soft landing capttors would have found a soft landing capttors would have found a soft landing in Literum. If the local leader here got in Literum. If the local leader here got in Literum. If the local leader here got a phone call saying we need to dispose a phone call saying we need to dispose a phone call saying we need to dispose of this horse, there would have been of this horse, there would have been of this horse, there would have been people here to do it. And what's more, people here to do it. And what's more, people here to do it. And what's more, it's so sparsely populated, so remote it's so sparsely populated, so remote it's so sparsely populated, so remote that it could be it would be an ideal that it could be it would be an ideal that it could be it would be an ideal place you would think to bury a body place you would think to bury a body place you would think to bury a body that you never wanted found.

that you never wanted found. that you never wanted found. >> Conland led us to boggy terrain where >> Conland led us to boggy terrain where >> Conland led us to boggy terrain where lore has it the kidnappers disposed of lore has it the kidnappers disposed of lore has it the kidnappers disposed of Shar's remains. Shar's remains. Shar's remains. >> Aila, >> Aila, >> Aila, not bad. Ailan. not bad. Ailan. not bad. Ailan. >> Oknilan. >> Oknilan. >> Oknilan. In a winter's night in February 8 1983, In a winter's night in February 8 1983, In a winter's night in February 8 1983, the place would have been would have the place would have been would have the place would have been would have felt almost deserted and more than felt almost deserted and more than felt almost deserted and more than likely those whom you did meet on the likely those whom you did meet on the likely those whom you did meet on the road would say nothing. road would say nothing. road would say nothing. >> Say say nothing. >> Say say nothing. >> Say say nothing. >> Say nothing and keep saying it. >> Say nothing and keep saying it. >> Say nothing and keep saying it. >> We did hear whispers though from others >> We did hear whispers though from others >> We did hear whispers though from others who've looked into the story about one who've looked into the story about one who've looked into the story about one man in particular, a convicted IRA man in particular, a convicted IRA man in particular, a convicted IRA operative once broken out of prison by a operative once broken out of prison by a operative once broken out of prison by a helicopter. Kevin Min is named in helicopter. Kevin Min is named in helicopter. Kevin Min is named in informant Shaun O' Callahan's book as informant Shaun O' Callahan's book as informant Shaun O' Callahan's book as the ring leader of Shar's kidnapping. the ring leader of Shar's kidnapping. the ring leader of Shar's kidnapping. >> Hello, >> Hello, >> Hello, >> Kevin Min, please. First, we tried >> Kevin Min, please. First, we tried >> Kevin Min, please. First, we tried calling. calling. calling. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Kevin, it's John Worerheim with 60 >> Kevin, it's John Worerheim with 60 >> Kevin, it's John Worerheim with 60 Minutes CBS News in New York. We're Minutes CBS News in New York. We're Minutes CBS News in New York. We're working on a piece on Shar the Horse and we've the Horse and we've then we got an address a seaside house then we got an address a seaside house then we got an address a seaside house near Dublin.

>> Hi, I'm looking for Kevin Min. >> Hi, I'm looking for Kevin Min. >> Another phone call. >> Another phone call. >> Another phone call. >> It's John Worerheim with 60 Minutes. I'm >> It's John Worerheim with 60 Minutes. I'm >> It's John Worerheim with 60 Minutes. I'm in town and would love to just come up in town and would love to just come up in town and would love to just come up and ask him a few questions about the and ask him a few questions about the and ask him a few questions about the horse. I sure really wouldn't horse. I sure really wouldn't horse. I sure really wouldn't [clears throat] know anything about [clears throat] know anything about [clears throat] know anything about that. No, forget that. No, forget that. No, forget >> okay. >> okay. >> okay. >> Well, we're told he's one of the last >> Well, we're told he's one of the last >> Well, we're told he's one of the last people alive that might help solve the >> mystery. >> mystery. Some cold cases do eventually thaw, the Some cold cases do eventually thaw, the Some cold cases do eventually thaw, the result of a crisis of conscience or a result of a crisis of conscience or a result of a crisis of conscience or a dying declaration. But in the case of dying declaration. But in the case of dying declaration. But in the case of Shar, sure seems like a long shot. Shar, sure seems like a long shot. Shar, sure seems like a long shot. >> I think there's a massive shame that the >> I think there's a massive shame that the >> I think there's a massive shame that the right took this on. What was the point right took this on. What was the point right took this on. What was the point of it? It was pointless. The horse is such a symbol of Ireland The horse is such a symbol of Ireland and, you know, freedom and its its and, you know, freedom and its its and, you know, freedom and its its beauty is wildness, its magic. beauty is wildness, its magic. beauty is wildness, its magic. And there's a shame that they shot the And there's a shame that they shot the And there's a shame that they shot the most famous and killed the most famous most famous and killed the most famous most famous and killed the most famous horse in the world at that time.

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