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>> The online auction site eBay launched >> The online auction site eBay launched the e-commerce revolution when it was the e-commerce revolution when it was the e-commerce revolution when it was founded more than 20 years ago. founded more than 20 years ago. founded more than 20 years ago. Over the decades, it's drawn in 134 Over the decades, it's drawn in 134 Over the decades, it's drawn in 134 million users from mom-and-pop million users from mom-and-pop million users from mom-and-pop collectors on the hunt for bargains to collectors on the hunt for bargains to collectors on the hunt for bargains to small business owners. small business owners. small business owners. In 2022, users sold almost $74 billion In 2022, users sold almost $74 billion In 2022, users sold almost $74 billion worth of goods through eBay. worth of goods through eBay. worth of goods through eBay. But last month, buried in an otherwise But last month, buried in an otherwise But last month, buried in an otherwise dull annual financial disclosure, a note dull annual financial disclosure, a note dull annual financial disclosure, a note on page 105 hinted at a scandal inside on page 105 hinted at a scandal inside on page 105 hinted at a scandal inside the Silicon Valley giant. the Silicon Valley giant. the Silicon Valley giant. It refers to an inquiry from the US It refers to an inquiry from the US It refers to an inquiry from the US attorney about the stalking and attorney about the stalking and attorney about the stalking and harassment of the editor and publisher harassment of the editor and publisher harassment of the editor and publisher of an online newsletter at the hands of of an online newsletter at the hands of of an online newsletter at the hands of eBay employees. eBay employees. eBay employees. Tonight, we will introduce you to the Tonight, we will introduce you to the Tonight, we will introduce you to the couple that was the target of that couple that was the target of that couple that was the target of that stalking. They loved eBay so much, they stalking. They loved eBay so much, they stalking. They loved eBay so much, they started a publication to help people who started a publication to help people who started a publication to help people who sell stuff on the auction site, and then sell stuff on the auction site, and then sell stuff on the auction site, and then found themselves the focus of a terror found themselves the focus of a terror found themselves the focus of a terror campaign. campaign. campaign. >> And it's interesting >> And it's interesting >> And it's interesting >> We met Ina and David Steiner in Natick, >> We met Ina and David Steiner in Natick, >> We met Ina and David Steiner in Natick, Massachusetts, a quaint Boston suburb Massachusetts, a quaint Boston suburb Massachusetts, a quaint Boston suburb where the couple had enjoyed a quiet where the couple had enjoyed a quiet where the couple had enjoyed a quiet life until the summer of 2019.

life until the summer of 2019. life until the summer of 2019. >> You called it psychological warfare. >> You called it psychological warfare. >> You called it psychological warfare. It it it felt like corporate terrorism It it it felt like corporate terrorism It it it felt like corporate terrorism because we were terrorized. because we were terrorized. because we were terrorized. And it was very calculated. It was very And it was very calculated. It was very And it was very calculated. It was very vicious. vicious. vicious. >> One of the things that we also learned >> One of the things that we also learned >> One of the things that we also learned was what sadistic pleasure these people was what sadistic pleasure these people was what sadistic pleasure these people took in terrorizing us. took in terrorizing us. took in terrorizing us. >> The Steiners have been married for more >> The Steiners have been married for more >> The Steiners have been married for more than 30 years and work together from than 30 years and work together from than 30 years and work together from their home for more than 20. They their home for more than 20. They their home for more than 20. They publish a news website called e-commerce publish a news website called e-commerce publish a news website called e-commerce bytes. David handles the business side bytes. David handles the business side bytes. David handles the business side of things, and Ina does the reporting. of things, and Ina does the reporting. of things, and Ina does the reporting. >> What do you cover? Who's the audience? >> What do you cover? Who's the audience? >> What do you cover? Who's the audience? >> We cover industry news. So, what I do is >> We cover industry news. So, what I do is >> We cover industry news. So, what I do is I I follow what's happening and how it I I follow what's happening and how it I I follow what's happening and how it impacts sellers. People would write to impacts sellers. People would write to impacts sellers. People would write to us and they would say, "Hey, I'm having us and they would say, "Hey, I'm having us and they would say, "Hey, I'm having a problem with Amazon or I'm having a a problem with Amazon or I'm having a a problem with Amazon or I'm having a problem with eBay." problem with eBay." problem with eBay." >> So what let's put up a section where >> So what let's put up a section where >> So what let's put up a section where where we can just be a conduit. That's where we can just be a conduit. That's where we can just be a conduit. That's all we ever wanted to be, a conduit for all we ever wanted to be, a conduit for all we ever wanted to be, a conduit for sellers to tell their problems, tell sellers to tell their problems, tell sellers to tell their problems, tell their issues, uh share information. their issues, uh share information. their issues, uh share information. >> And give them a voice.

>> And give them a voice. >> And give them a voice. >> And give them a voice. >> And give them a voice. >> And give them a voice. >> Most of their 600,000 readers are >> Most of their 600,000 readers are >> Most of their 600,000 readers are sellers on eBay, Amazon, and Etsy. But sellers on eBay, Amazon, and Etsy. But sellers on eBay, Amazon, and Etsy. But the Steiners say e-commerce executives the Steiners say e-commerce executives the Steiners say e-commerce executives also read Ina's articles closely. also read Ina's articles closely. also read Ina's articles closely. >> Industry observers would contact us with >> Industry observers would contact us with >> Industry observers would contact us with questions as there were certain things questions as there were certain things questions as there were certain things going on and Wall Street was very going on and Wall Street was very going on and Wall Street was very interested because these were public interested because these were public interested because these were public companies and they needed to know. companies and they needed to know. companies and they needed to know. >> Tell me what happened when you opened >> Tell me what happened when you opened >> Tell me what happened when you opened your email on the morning of August 8th. your email on the morning of August 8th. your email on the morning of August 8th. >> Well, we were getting bombarded um with >> Well, we were getting bombarded um with >> Well, we were getting bombarded um with with sign-ups to crazy newsletters. with sign-ups to crazy newsletters. with sign-ups to crazy newsletters. >> Newsletters the Steiners never signed up >> Newsletters the Steiners never signed up >> Newsletters the Steiners never signed up for. Sin City Fetish Night, The Satanic for. Sin City Fetish Night, The Satanic for. Sin City Fetish Night, The Satanic Temple, The Communist Party, and dozens Temple, The Communist Party, and dozens Temple, The Communist Party, and dozens of others. of others. of others. >> Then somebody started harassing us on >> Then somebody started harassing us on >> Then somebody started harassing us on Twitter through direct messages. Twitter through direct messages. Twitter through direct messages. >> What were you seeing on Twitter? >> What were you seeing on Twitter? >> What were you seeing on Twitter? >> Threats. >> Threats. >> Threats. >> It was basically shut up or else and it >> It was basically shut up or else and it >> It was basically shut up or else and it was it was as blatant as that. was it was as blatant as that. was it was as blatant as that. >> But much more threatening than that and >> But much more threatening than that and >> But much more threatening than that and so vulgar we can't show you many of the so vulgar we can't show you many of the so vulgar we can't show you many of the messages.

messages. messages. Three days later the Steiners got a Three days later the Steiners got a Three days later the Steiners got a strange call. strange call. strange call. >> Somebody left a voicemail for us saying >> Somebody left a voicemail for us saying >> Somebody left a voicemail for us saying they couldn't fulfill the order for a they couldn't fulfill the order for a they couldn't fulfill the order for a wet specimen. wet specimen. wet specimen. And David was the one who called and he And David was the one who called and he And David was the one who called and he said, "What is a wet specimen?" And and said, "What is a wet specimen?" And and said, "What is a wet specimen?" And and it was a pig fetus. That's when I really it was a pig fetus. That's when I really it was a pig fetus. That's when I really my heart sank because I thought, "Who my heart sank because I thought, "Who my heart sank because I thought, "Who might be angry at something I wrote?" might be angry at something I wrote?" might be angry at something I wrote?" And I couldn't figure it out. I mean, we And I couldn't figure it out. I mean, we And I couldn't figure it out. I mean, we were we were desperately trying to think were we were desperately trying to think were we were desperately trying to think who could it be? who could it be? who could it be? >> Is that when you called the police? >> Is that when you called the police? >> Is that when you called the police? >> Every step along the way we >> Every step along the way we >> Every step along the way we >> that >> that >> that >> the first >> the first >> the first >> We we would uh report it and when the >> We we would uh report it and when the >> We we would uh report it and when the police drove up to the front door, police drove up to the front door, police drove up to the front door, we had to put on, you know, a rational we had to put on, you know, a rational we had to put on, you know, a rational face. We couldn't show how terrified we face. We couldn't show how terrified we face. We couldn't show how terrified we were. were. were. >> After the police officer took the >> After the police officer took the >> After the police officer took the report, he he stepped outside and said, report, he he stepped outside and said, report, he he stepped outside and said, "There's a package here." So, he waited. "There's a package here." So, he waited. "There's a package here." So, he waited. And when I opened up the package, it And when I opened up the package, it And when I opened up the package, it looked like it looked like flesh and looked like it looked like flesh and looked like it looked like flesh and hair. And um hair. And um hair. And um I kind of yelled or shrieked. I kind of yelled or shrieked. I kind of yelled or shrieked. >> It was a pig mask from the horror movie >> It was a pig mask from the horror movie >> It was a pig mask from the horror movie Saw. The plot involves a psychopath who Saw. The plot involves a psychopath who Saw. The plot involves a psychopath who tortures his victims. The last thing tortures his victims. The last thing tortures his victims. The last thing they see is the mask.

they see is the mask. they see is the mask. >> I imagine as this is happening, you're >> I imagine as this is happening, you're >> I imagine as this is happening, you're not only thinking, "Who is this person?" not only thinking, "Who is this person?" not only thinking, "Who is this person?" But what are they going to do next? But what are they going to do next? But what are they going to do next? >> Oh, that was the That was the question. >> Oh, that was the That was the question. >> Oh, that was the That was the question. What What are they going to do next? What What are they going to do next? What What are they going to do next? >> Over the next week, someone sent boxes >> Over the next week, someone sent boxes >> Over the next week, someone sent boxes of live cockroaches and spiders to the of live cockroaches and spiders to the of live cockroaches and spiders to the Steiners. Pornography was sent to their Steiners. Pornography was sent to their Steiners. Pornography was sent to their neighbors, but addressed to David. On neighbors, but addressed to David. On neighbors, but addressed to David. On social media, the Steiners' home was social media, the Steiners' home was social media, the Steiners' home was listed as the site of yard sales and sex listed as the site of yard sales and sex listed as the site of yard sales and sex parties. And then, this book about parties. And then, this book about parties. And then, this book about surviving the loss of a spouse, surviving the loss of a spouse, surviving the loss of a spouse, addressed to David, arrived at the addressed to David, arrived at the addressed to David, arrived at the Steiners' doorstep. Steiners' doorstep. Steiners' doorstep. >> It was a death threat. And to be >> It was a death threat. And to be >> It was a death threat. And to be followed up a few short days later with followed up a few short days later with followed up a few short days later with a funeral wreath. a funeral wreath. a funeral wreath. An expensive funeral wreath. An expensive funeral wreath. An expensive funeral wreath. It It only It It only It It only confirmed that these people were going confirmed that these people were going confirmed that these people were going to hurt or kill to hurt or kill to hurt or kill I know. I know. I know. >> You were afraid for her life. >> You were afraid for her life. >> You were afraid for her life. >> I I was terrified I was going to lose >> I I was terrified I was going to lose >> I I was terrified I was going to lose her. her. her. >> Police at first thought it might be a >> Police at first thought it might be a >> Police at first thought it might be a small-town prank. David installed more small-town prank. David installed more small-town prank. David installed more security cameras at their home. But for security cameras at their home. But for security cameras at their home. But for 3 weeks, the threats and packages kept 3 weeks, the threats and packages kept 3 weeks, the threats and packages kept coming.

coming. coming. >> As this is going on, what's it like to >> As this is going on, what's it like to >> As this is going on, what's it like to be inside your house? >> When it would get dark out at night, >> When it would get dark out at night, that's when I would really be terrified. that's when I would really be terrified. that's when I would really be terrified. >> You guys started sleeping in separate >> You guys started sleeping in separate >> You guys started sleeping in separate rooms at one point. rooms at one point. rooms at one point. >> What we What we wanted to do was to make >> What we What we wanted to do was to make >> What we What we wanted to do was to make sure that if someone did break in sure that if someone did break in sure that if someone did break in that at least one of us could either that at least one of us could either that at least one of us could either call the police or escape. call the police or escape. call the police or escape. >> The Steiners were afraid inside their >> The Steiners were afraid inside their >> The Steiners were afraid inside their house and afraid to leave it after David house and afraid to leave it after David house and afraid to leave it after David noticed a van and later a car following noticed a van and later a car following noticed a van and later a car following him. He was terrified but managed to get him. He was terrified but managed to get him. He was terrified but managed to get a photo of the license plate. That broke a photo of the license plate. That broke a photo of the license plate. That broke open the case. open the case. open the case. >> I'm a guy who likes to dig up things I >> I'm a guy who likes to dig up things I >> I'm a guy who likes to dig up things I sometimes don't get the end result and sometimes don't get the end result and sometimes don't get the end result and that's why I rely on smart guys like that's why I rely on smart guys like that's why I rely on smart guys like this. this. this. >> Natick Detective John Haswell was >> Natick Detective John Haswell was >> Natick Detective John Haswell was working the case with Sergeant Jason working the case with Sergeant Jason working the case with Sergeant Jason Sutherland. He ran the license plate of Sutherland. He ran the license plate of Sutherland. He ran the license plate of the car that had been following David. the car that had been following David. the car that had been following David. >> And it came back to a rental agency. >> And it came back to a rental agency. >> And it came back to a rental agency. And I contacted the rental agency and I And I contacted the rental agency and I And I contacted the rental agency and I got the name of the renter Veronica Zei. got the name of the renter Veronica Zei. got the name of the renter Veronica Zei. I didn't know I didn't know I didn't know anything about the Steiners at this anything about the Steiners at this anything about the Steiners at this point other than what was going on with point other than what was going on with point other than what was going on with them.

them. them. So I this is the first time that I So I this is the first time that I So I this is the first time that I called them. I said are you familiar called them. I said are you familiar called them. I said are you familiar with the name and they weren't. with the name and they weren't. with the name and they weren't. And while I was saying that I think um And while I was saying that I think um And while I was saying that I think um Mrs. Steiner Mrs. Steiner Mrs. Steiner did the her own little search and say, did the her own little search and say, did the her own little search and say, "Oh my god, uh she works for eBay." "Oh my god, uh she works for eBay." "Oh my god, uh she works for eBay." >> I I I don't know I can't ex- I can't >> I I I don't know I can't ex- I can't >> I I I don't know I can't ex- I can't describe how flabbergasted we were. describe how flabbergasted we were. describe how flabbergasted we were. eBay? I I mean, what was an eBay eBay? I I mean, what was an eBay eBay? I I mean, what was an eBay employee doing in a rental van following employee doing in a rental van following employee doing in a rental van following David? David? David? Did she um Did she um Did she um >> It blew our minds. >> It blew our minds. >> It blew our minds. >> send all these things? Was it eBay that >> send all these things? Was it eBay that >> send all these things? Was it eBay that did this to us? I mean, it was did this to us? I mean, it was did this to us? I mean, it was inconceivable. inconceivable. inconceivable. >> Sergeant Sutherland tracked Veronica >> Sergeant Sutherland tracked Veronica >> Sergeant Sutherland tracked Veronica Zei's rental car to the Boston Zei's rental car to the Boston Zei's rental car to the Boston Ritz-Carlton and called her from the Ritz-Carlton and called her from the Ritz-Carlton and called her from the lobby. lobby. lobby. >> And I fully expected her to come down >> And I fully expected her to come down >> And I fully expected her to come down and say, "Here is my business card." and and say, "Here is my business card." and and say, "Here is my business card." and say, "I'm I'm from eBay and uh we're say, "I'm I'm from eBay and uh we're say, "I'm I'm from eBay and uh we're doing an investigation and yeah, I drove doing an investigation and yeah, I drove doing an investigation and yeah, I drove by the house." by the house." by the house." Um we called up to the room being she Um we called up to the room being she Um we called up to the room being she said she'd be down after she had a said she'd be down after she had a said she'd be down after she had a conference call. She never showed up. conference call. She never showed up. conference call. She never showed up. >> Zei left town without talking to police >> Zei left town without talking to police >> Zei left town without talking to police but Detective Haswell had been chasing but Detective Haswell had been chasing but Detective Haswell had been chasing down another lead. He learned the down another lead. He learned the down another lead. He learned the funeral wreath sent to the Steiners was funeral wreath sent to the Steiners was funeral wreath sent to the Steiners was bought with a gift card from a grocery bought with a gift card from a grocery bought with a gift card from a grocery store in Silicon Valley, not far from store in Silicon Valley, not far from store in Silicon Valley, not far from eBay headquarters.

eBay headquarters. eBay headquarters. >> Yeah, they were like less than 8 miles >> Yeah, they were like less than 8 miles >> Yeah, they were like less than 8 miles away and he was able to get photographs away and he was able to get photographs away and he was able to get photographs of them purchasing the the gift cards of them purchasing the the gift cards of them purchasing the the gift cards and it was Veronica's A again. and it was Veronica's A again. and it was Veronica's A again. >> The FBI took over. 10 months later, the >> The FBI took over. 10 months later, the >> The FBI took over. 10 months later, the US attorney in Massachusetts, Andrew US attorney in Massachusetts, Andrew US attorney in Massachusetts, Andrew Lelling, announced the indictments of Lelling, announced the indictments of Lelling, announced the indictments of six employees and contractors from eBay. six employees and contractors from eBay. six employees and contractors from eBay. >> The complaint alleges that the victims >> The complaint alleges that the victims >> The complaint alleges that the victims were targeted because eBay executives were targeted because eBay executives were targeted because eBay executives were unhappy were unhappy were unhappy with the coverage of eBay on the with the coverage of eBay on the with the coverage of eBay on the couple's website. couple's website. couple's website. >> It didn't take us an hour to realize the >> It didn't take us an hour to realize the >> It didn't take us an hour to realize the ramifications ramifications ramifications of a public company of a public company of a public company trying to destroy a journalist. They trying to destroy a journalist. They trying to destroy a journalist. They were attacking the First Amendment, were attacking the First Amendment, were attacking the First Amendment, freedom of the press. freedom of the press. freedom of the press. They wanted to destroy They wanted to destroy They wanted to destroy Ina and our publication. Ina and our publication. Ina and our publication. >> Former federal prosecutor, Andrew >> Former federal prosecutor, Andrew >> Former federal prosecutor, Andrew Lelling, says the plan to target the Lelling, says the plan to target the Lelling, says the plan to target the Steiners was hatched at eBay. Steiners was hatched at eBay. Steiners was hatched at eBay. >> What was unique about this case is that >> What was unique about this case is that >> What was unique about this case is that you had relatively senior management at you had relatively senior management at you had relatively senior management at a Fortune 500 company a Fortune 500 company a Fortune 500 company uh who thought it was a good idea to uh who thought it was a good idea to uh who thought it was a good idea to launch what can only be described as a launch what can only be described as a launch what can only be described as a campaign of terror campaign of terror campaign of terror targeting a middle-aged couple in targeting a middle-aged couple in targeting a middle-aged couple in Natick.

Natick. Natick. >> Why? >> Why? >> Why? >> Well, the why is actually harder than it >> Well, the why is actually harder than it >> Well, the why is actually harder than it seems. seems. seems. >> Investigators learned in April of 2019, >> Investigators learned in April of 2019, >> Investigators learned in April of 2019, eBay's then CEO, Devin Wenig, shared a eBay's then CEO, Devin Wenig, shared a eBay's then CEO, Devin Wenig, shared a link to this post Ina had written about link to this post Ina had written about link to this post Ina had written about his annual pay. his annual pay. his annual pay. eBay's chief communications officer, eBay's chief communications officer, eBay's chief communications officer, Steve Wymer, wrote back, "We're going to Steve Wymer, wrote back, "We're going to Steve Wymer, wrote back, "We're going to crush this lady." About a month later, crush this lady." About a month later, crush this lady." About a month later, Wenig, the CEO of eBay, texted, "Take Wenig, the CEO of eBay, texted, "Take Wenig, the CEO of eBay, texted, "Take her down." her down." her down." Prosecutors say Steve Wymer later texted Prosecutors say Steve Wymer later texted Prosecutors say Steve Wymer later texted eBay security director, Jim Baugh, "I eBay security director, Jim Baugh, "I eBay security director, Jim Baugh, "I want to see ashes. As long as it takes, want to see ashes. As long as it takes, want to see ashes. As long as it takes, whatever it takes." whatever it takes." whatever it takes." Just a few days later, investigators say Just a few days later, investigators say Just a few days later, investigators say Baugh set up a meeting with his security Baugh set up a meeting with his security Baugh set up a meeting with his security staff at eBay's California headquarters, staff at eBay's California headquarters, staff at eBay's California headquarters, posted a map of Natick on the wall, and posted a map of Natick on the wall, and posted a map of Natick on the wall, and then dispatched a team to Boston. Seven then dispatched a team to Boston. Seven then dispatched a team to Boston. Seven people who worked for eBay's safety and people who worked for eBay's safety and people who worked for eBay's safety and security unit, including two former cops security unit, including two former cops security unit, including two former cops and a former nanny, all plead guilty to and a former nanny, all plead guilty to and a former nanny, all plead guilty to stalking or cyberstalking charges. stalking or cyberstalking charges. stalking or cyberstalking charges. Senior security director Jim Bo was Senior security director Jim Bo was Senior security director Jim Bo was sentenced to 5 years in prison. Veronica sentenced to 5 years in prison. Veronica sentenced to 5 years in prison. Veronica Zea was sentenced to a year of home Zea was sentenced to a year of home Zea was sentenced to a year of home confinement and probation.

confinement and probation. confinement and probation. But to date, eBay has not been charged But to date, eBay has not been charged But to date, eBay has not been charged with any crimes. The company said in a with any crimes. The company said in a with any crimes. The company said in a statement to 60 Minutes, "The conduct of statement to 60 Minutes, "The conduct of statement to 60 Minutes, "The conduct of the former employees was wrong, and it the former employees was wrong, and it the former employees was wrong, and it has cooperated fully with the government has cooperated fully with the government has cooperated fully with the government investigation." investigation." investigation." >> The plan was hatched in eBay's >> The plan was hatched in eBay's >> The plan was hatched in eBay's headquarters in a conference room. It headquarters in a conference room. It headquarters in a conference room. It was paid for ultimately by eBay. Don't was paid for ultimately by eBay. Don't was paid for ultimately by eBay. Don't they bear any responsibility for this? they bear any responsibility for this? they bear any responsibility for this? >> They may, but uh cases are common where >> They may, but uh cases are common where >> They may, but uh cases are common where an employee inside the company uses an employee inside the company uses an employee inside the company uses company resources to do wrong. company resources to do wrong. company resources to do wrong. In every one of those cases, it's not In every one of those cases, it's not In every one of those cases, it's not necessarily true that the company itself necessarily true that the company itself necessarily true that the company itself is responsible. is responsible. is responsible. >> And Lelling says there was not enough >> And Lelling says there was not enough >> And Lelling says there was not enough evidence to file criminal charges evidence to file criminal charges evidence to file criminal charges against eBay's top executives, Devin against eBay's top executives, Devin against eBay's top executives, Devin Wenig or Steve Wymer. Wenig or Steve Wymer. Wenig or Steve Wymer. >> But when he says or texts, "I want to >> But when he says or texts, "I want to >> But when he says or texts, "I want to see ashes, whatever it takes." see ashes, whatever it takes." see ashes, whatever it takes." >> People say things like that all the >> People say things like that all the >> People say things like that all the time, especially senior people in time, especially senior people in time, especially senior people in companies. It's not the same companies. It's not the same companies. It's not the same as I am knowingly joining a criminal as I am knowingly joining a criminal as I am knowingly joining a criminal conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy to cyberstalk a couple in Natick.

to cyberstalk a couple in Natick. to cyberstalk a couple in Natick. People use loose talk like that all the People use loose talk like that all the People use loose talk like that all the time. time. time. >> Let me ask you something. >> Let me ask you something. >> Let me ask you something. If you have a dog that is trained to If you have a dog that is trained to If you have a dog that is trained to attack, attack, attack, and then you give them the command, and then you give them the command, and then you give them the command, "Take her down." "Take her down." "Take her down." Aren't you as responsible for the damage Aren't you as responsible for the damage Aren't you as responsible for the damage that happens? that happens? that happens? >> It's obvious that it started from the >> It's obvious that it started from the >> It's obvious that it started from the top. top. top. >> Jalise McDonough and Rosemary Scapicchio >> Jalise McDonough and Rosemary Scapicchio >> Jalise McDonough and Rosemary Scapicchio are representing the Steiners in a civil are representing the Steiners in a civil are representing the Steiners in a civil case against eBay and its former case against eBay and its former case against eBay and its former executives. executives. executives. >> If you're in the C-suite, it's your job >> If you're in the C-suite, it's your job >> If you're in the C-suite, it's your job to know what your employees are doing. to know what your employees are doing. to know what your employees are doing. How did you sit back and say you didn't How did you sit back and say you didn't How did you sit back and say you didn't know? Especially when good things were know? Especially when good things were know? Especially when good things were happening and and and you know, the happening and and and you know, the happening and and and you know, the share prices were increasing. They were share prices were increasing. They were share prices were increasing. They were all you know, patting themselves on the all you know, patting themselves on the all you know, patting themselves on the back. They we did that. We did that. We back. They we did that. We did that. We back. They we did that. We did that. We had all But then when something like had all But then when something like had all But then when something like this happens, they turn around and say, this happens, they turn around and say, this happens, they turn around and say, "We had no idea. We had no idea this was "We had no idea. We had no idea this was "We had no idea. We had no idea this was happening." happening." happening." >> We've seen these text messages from >> We've seen these text messages from >> We've seen these text messages from Wenig and from Wymer. Wenig and from Wymer. Wenig and from Wymer. I was under the impression they turned I was under the impression they turned I was under the impression they turned over all their text messages. That over all their text messages. That over all their text messages. That didn't happen. didn't happen. didn't happen. >> No. Uh Wymer deleted his text messages.

>> No. Uh Wymer deleted his text messages. >> No. Uh Wymer deleted his text messages. There was a a notice that went out to There was a a notice that went out to There was a a notice that went out to everyone to say, "There's this criminal everyone to say, "There's this criminal everyone to say, "There's this criminal investigation. Preserve the evidence." investigation. Preserve the evidence." investigation. Preserve the evidence." Wymer immediately deletes everything. Um Wymer immediately deletes everything. Um Wymer immediately deletes everything. Um that's obstruction of justice. If I did that's obstruction of justice. If I did that's obstruction of justice. If I did that, I'd be sitting in a jail cell that, I'd be sitting in a jail cell that, I'd be sitting in a jail cell somewhere right now. somewhere right now. somewhere right now. >> The current US attorney has said the >> The current US attorney has said the >> The current US attorney has said the investigation into eBay is ongoing. investigation into eBay is ongoing. investigation into eBay is ongoing. Steve Wymer was fired for cause by eBay Steve Wymer was fired for cause by eBay Steve Wymer was fired for cause by eBay and now runs the Boys & Girls Clubs of and now runs the Boys & Girls Clubs of and now runs the Boys & Girls Clubs of Silicon Valley. Silicon Valley. Silicon Valley. He has said his texts were He has said his texts were He has said his texts were mischaracterized and that he learned of mischaracterized and that he learned of mischaracterized and that he learned of the employees' conduct only after the the employees' conduct only after the the employees' conduct only after the fact. fact. fact. The former CEO, Devin Wenig, said in a The former CEO, Devin Wenig, said in a The former CEO, Devin Wenig, said in a statement to 60 Minutes that he was statement to 60 Minutes that he was statement to 60 Minutes that he was appalled at what happened and had he appalled at what happened and had he appalled at what happened and had he been aware of it at the time, he would been aware of it at the time, he would been aware of it at the time, he would have stopped it. have stopped it. have stopped it. Wenig resigned from eBay in September of Wenig resigned from eBay in September of Wenig resigned from eBay in September of 2019 with a $57 million exit package.