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In the neighborhoods of New York, there In the neighborhoods of New York, there are 217 firehouses. Each holds a are 217 firehouses. Each holds a are 217 firehouses. Each holds a memorial to firefighters who answered memorial to firefighters who answered memorial to firefighters who answered the call 22 years ago and never the call 22 years ago and never the call 22 years ago and never returned. As we first told you in 2021, returned. As we first told you in 2021, returned. As we first told you in 2021, 343 members of the fire department of 343 members of the fire department of 343 members of the fire department of the city of New York perished on 911 in the city of New York perished on 911 in the city of New York perished on 911 in the greatest act of gallantry ever the greatest act of gallantry ever the greatest act of gallantry ever bestowed on an American city. This is bestowed on an American city. This is bestowed on an American city. This is their story. their story. their story. This plane raced past us along the This plane raced past us along the This plane raced past us along the Hudson River at such a low altitude. I Hudson River at such a low altitude. I Hudson River at such a low altitude. I could read American on the fuselage. could read American on the fuselage. could read American on the fuselage. >> At 8:46 that morning, Battalion Chief >> At 8:46 that morning, Battalion Chief >> At 8:46 that morning, Battalion Chief Joe Feifer was blocks away searching for Joe Feifer was blocks away searching for Joe Feifer was blocks away searching for a routine gas leak. >> I saw the plane aim and crash into the >> I saw the plane aim and crash into the north tower of the World Trade Center.

From that moment, the firefighters of From that moment, the firefighters of the FDNY would have about an hour and a the FDNY would have about an hour and a the FDNY would have about an hour and a half to save 17,000 lives. half to save 17,000 lives. half to save 17,000 lives. >> They knew that they might not come home, >> They knew that they might not come home, >> They knew that they might not come home, but they knew there were people trapped. but they knew there were people trapped. but they knew there were people trapped. That's our job. That's our job. That's our job. >> There's no way we were going to stand >> There's no way we were going to stand >> There's no way we were going to stand back and say we're not going in. That back and say we're not going in. That back and say we're not going in. That wouldn't be the FDNY. Our aim was to get wouldn't be the FDNY. Our aim was to get wouldn't be the FDNY. Our aim was to get above that fire and get those poor above that fire and get those poor above that fire and get those poor people out that were calling us. people out that were calling us. people out that were calling us. >> We're on the floor and we can't breathe >> We're on the floor and we can't breathe >> We're on the floor and we can't breathe >> and it's very, very, very hot. >> and it's very, very, very hot. >> and it's very, very, very hot. >> And all the dispatcher could say is, um, >> And all the dispatcher could say is, um, >> And all the dispatcher could say is, um, we're coming for you. So, we're coming for you. So, we're coming for you. So, we like to keep our promises. You know, we like to keep our promises. You know, we like to keep our promises. You know, we told them we're coming. we told them we're coming. we told them we're coming. We're coming. We're coming. We're coming. >> Go to trade center. >> Go to trade center. >> Go to trade center. >> Joe Feifer was coming with a camera. >> Joe Feifer was coming with a camera. >> Joe Feifer was coming with a camera. Filmmakers Jules and Gideon Node were Filmmakers Jules and Gideon Node were Filmmakers Jules and Gideon Node were making a documentary about the FDNY. making a documentary about the FDNY. making a documentary about the FDNY. >> Oh my god. We have a number of floors on >> Oh my god. We have a number of floors on >> Oh my god. We have a number of floors on fire. It looked like the plane was fire. It looked like the plane was fire. It looked like the plane was aiming towards the building.

aiming towards the building. aiming towards the building. >> Engine 69. >> Engine 69. >> Engine 69. >> Engine six. >> Engine six. >> Engine six. >> The World Trade Center said the tower >> The World Trade Center said the tower >> The World Trade Center said the tower number one is on fire. number one is on fire. number one is on fire. >> Engine 10. World Trade Center 1060. Send >> Engine 10. World Trade Center 1060. Send >> Engine 10. World Trade Center 1060. Send every available ambulance, everything every available ambulance, everything every available ambulance, everything you got to world transfer. Now, you got to world transfer. Now, you got to world transfer. Now, >> dispatch launched an armada. >> dispatch launched an armada. >> dispatch launched an armada. >> Engine 211, ladder 11, engine 44, engine >> Engine 211, ladder 11, engine 44, engine >> Engine 211, ladder 11, engine 44, engine 22, engine 53, 22, engine 53, 22, engine 53, >> 121 engines, 62 ladder companies, 100 >> 121 engines, 62 ladder companies, 100 >> 121 engines, 62 ladder companies, 100 ambulances, ambulances, ambulances, 750 750 750 members of the FDNY. members of the FDNY. members of the FDNY. >> Attention. 68 engine, 35 engine, 50 >> Attention. 68 engine, 35 engine, 50 >> Attention. 68 engine, 35 engine, 50 engine, 64 engine, 94 engine, 83 engine. engine, 64 engine, 94 engine, 83 engine. engine, 64 engine, 94 engine, 83 engine. >> At FDNY headquarters in Brooklyn, >> At FDNY headquarters in Brooklyn, >> At FDNY headquarters in Brooklyn, 54year-old Chief of Department Peter 54year-old Chief of Department Peter 54year-old Chief of Department Peter Gansy Jr. raced to his car. He was the Gansy Jr. raced to his car. He was the Gansy Jr. raced to his car. He was the boss, leading the second largest fire boss, leading the second largest fire boss, leading the second largest fire department in the world after Tokyo. Dan department in the world after Tokyo. Dan department in the world after Tokyo. Dan Nigro was his number two.

Nigro was his number two. Nigro was his number two. So, we went downstairs quickly, got in So, we went downstairs quickly, got in So, we went downstairs quickly, got in the car, and headed over the Brooklyn the car, and headed over the Brooklyn the car, and headed over the Brooklyn Bridge where we could see the damage, Bridge where we could see the damage, Bridge where we could see the damage, see the smoke, see the fire. That's when see the smoke, see the fire. That's when see the smoke, see the fire. That's when I said to Pete, "Uh, Pete, this will be I said to Pete, "Uh, Pete, this will be I said to Pete, "Uh, Pete, this will be the worst day of our lives." And, the worst day of our lives." And, the worst day of our lives." And, you know, that was before I knew the you know, that was before I knew the you know, that was before I knew the half of it. half of it. half of it. >> Call three to Manhattan, kid. >> Call three to Manhattan, kid. >> Call three to Manhattan, kid. >> Pete Gansy's voice was recorded in >> Pete Gansy's voice was recorded in >> Pete Gansy's voice was recorded in route. route. route. >> Transmit a fifth alarm for this box. Get >> Transmit a fifth alarm for this box. Get >> Transmit a fifth alarm for this box. Get us a staging area uh chief somewhere on us a staging area uh chief somewhere on us a staging area uh chief somewhere on West Street. Okay. A box is a location. West Street. Okay. A box is a location. West Street. Okay. A box is a location. K signals the end of a message. A K signals the end of a message. A K signals the end of a message. A throwback to the 19th century telegraph, throwback to the 19th century telegraph, throwback to the 19th century telegraph, which on this day was punctuating the which on this day was punctuating the which on this day was punctuating the greatest crisis in the department's 136 greatest crisis in the department's 136 greatest crisis in the department's 136 years. years. years. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> That's right. >> Right away, I got a deep sense that uh >> Right away, I got a deep sense that uh >> Right away, I got a deep sense that uh we were going to lose a lot of we were going to lose a lot of we were going to lose a lot of firefighters this day. Division 1 firefighters this day. Division 1 firefighters this day. Division 1 Commander Peter Hayden met Battalion Commander Peter Hayden met Battalion Commander Peter Hayden met Battalion Chief Joe Feifer in the lobby of the Chief Joe Feifer in the lobby of the Chief Joe Feifer in the lobby of the burning tower. burning tower. burning tower. >> Well, I knew that we weren't going to be >> Well, I knew that we weren't going to be >> Well, I knew that we weren't going to be able to put out the fire. So, the order able to put out the fire. So, the order able to put out the fire. So, the order of the day was to search and evacuate as of the day was to search and evacuate as of the day was to search and evacuate as many people as we could. Uh, and that we many people as we could. Uh, and that we many people as we could. Uh, and that we were going to back away.

were going to back away. were going to back away. >> The fire was 93 floors above. Elevators >> The fire was 93 floors above. Elevators >> The fire was 93 floors above. Elevators were out, so firefighters climbed tight were out, so firefighters climbed tight were out, so firefighters climbed tight stairwells shouldering 75 pounds and stairwells shouldering 75 pounds and stairwells shouldering 75 pounds and more. more. more. >> And I thought we would have enough time >> And I thought we would have enough time >> And I thought we would have enough time to get the people out. And uh everybody to get the people out. And uh everybody to get the people out. And uh everybody that was above the impact of the plane that was above the impact of the plane that was above the impact of the plane um we were pretty much sure were uh um we were pretty much sure were uh um we were pretty much sure were uh either dead already or going to die. either dead already or going to die. either dead already or going to die. There was a lot of people jumping out There was a lot of people jumping out There was a lot of people jumping out already. already. already. >> 1,355 >> 1,355 >> 1,355 people were trapped above the fire. The people were trapped above the fire. The people were trapped above the fire. The Boeing 767 had severed all three Boeing 767 had severed all three Boeing 767 had severed all three stairwells, stairwells, stairwells, leaving one way out. leaving one way out. leaving one way out. >> Jumpers, baby. Jumpers. >> Jumpers, baby. Jumpers. >> Jumpers, baby. Jumpers. >> All right, division one, be advised. >> All right, division one, be advised. >> All right, division one, be advised. Battalion 2, advis you have jumpers from Battalion 2, advis you have jumpers from Battalion 2, advis you have jumpers from the World Trade Center. the World Trade Center. the World Trade Center. >> We heard a loud thud and I knew that was >> We heard a loud thud and I knew that was >> We heard a loud thud and I knew that was somebody that either fell or jumped from somebody that either fell or jumped from somebody that either fell or jumped from the building. The first firefighter the building. The first firefighter the building. The first firefighter killed was hit by a fellow human being.

killed was hit by a fellow human being. killed was hit by a fellow human being. >> It was happening so rapidly that I >> It was happening so rapidly that I >> It was happening so rapidly that I grabbed the the PA system at the fire grabbed the the PA system at the fire grabbed the the PA system at the fire command post and I said that command post and I said that command post and I said that firefighters are coming. If you can hold firefighters are coming. If you can hold firefighters are coming. If you can hold on, on, on, >> it's something that's going to haunt us >> it's something that's going to haunt us >> it's something that's going to haunt us probably for the rest of our lives. probably for the rest of our lives. probably for the rest of our lives. Tour Commander Sal Casano had arrived Tour Commander Sal Casano had arrived Tour Commander Sal Casano had arrived precisely 17 minutes after the North precisely 17 minutes after the North precisely 17 minutes after the North Tower was hit. Tower was hit. Tower was hit. >> Just as I got out of my car, I heard >> Just as I got out of my car, I heard >> Just as I got out of my car, I heard another explosion. another explosion. another explosion. And I can tell you exactly what time it And I can tell you exactly what time it And I can tell you exactly what time it was. It was 9:03 cuz that was the plane was. It was 9:03 cuz that was the plane was. It was 9:03 cuz that was the plane that hit the south tower. >> You have a second plane into the other >> You have a second plane into the other tower of the trailer of the train. Major tower of the trailer of the train. Major tower of the trailer of the train. Major fire. fire. fire. Ready? Ready? Ready? The little plane hit the second tower. The little plane hit the second tower. The little plane hit the second tower. Okay. Okay. Okay. >> The second 767 exploded into floors 77 >> The second 767 exploded into floors 77 >> The second 767 exploded into floors 77 through 85. Now 2,000 people were through 85. Now 2,000 people were through 85. Now 2,000 people were trapped a quarter mile high. Casano ran trapped a quarter mile high. Casano ran trapped a quarter mile high. Casano ran into the department chaplain, Michael into the department chaplain, Michael into the department chaplain, Michael Judge.

Judge. Judge. >> And I just told him, "Uh, >> And I just told him, "Uh, >> And I just told him, "Uh, father, we're going to be for a bad day. father, we're going to be for a bad day. father, we're going to be for a bad day. You're going to need a lot more chaplain You're going to need a lot more chaplain You're going to need a lot more chaplain here." you know, the more and more here." you know, the more and more here." you know, the more and more firefighters, they kept coming in and firefighters, they kept coming in and firefighters, they kept coming in and they took their assignments with no they took their assignments with no they took their assignments with no question. Yeah. question. Yeah. question. Yeah. Pretty tough to do. Pretty tough to do. Pretty tough to do. >> But it's also hard to give them those >> But it's also hard to give them those >> But it's also hard to give them those assignments. assignments. assignments. >> It was. Yeah, it was. But um you know, >> It was. Yeah, it was. But um you know, >> It was. Yeah, it was. But um you know, but I could tell when I gave the but I could tell when I gave the but I could tell when I gave the assignments out, you know, I could see assignments out, you know, I could see assignments out, you know, I could see the look look in their eyes. I remember the look look in their eyes. I remember the look look in their eyes. I remember seeing firefighters hugging each other seeing firefighters hugging each other seeing firefighters hugging each other and and and heading up. and and and heading up. and and and heading up. How many firefighters did you see that How many firefighters did you see that How many firefighters did you see that day refused to go up the stairs? day refused to go up the stairs? day refused to go up the stairs? >> Nobody refused to go in. >> Nobody refused to go in. >> Nobody refused to go in. >> Stay together. I didn't know what's >> Stay together. I didn't know what's >> Stay together. I didn't know what's going on. going on. going on. >> I could remember one lieutenant from >> I could remember one lieutenant from >> I could remember one lieutenant from Engine 33 coming up to me and not saying Engine 33 coming up to me and not saying Engine 33 coming up to me and not saying a word. a word. a word. And we stood there wondering if we were And we stood there wondering if we were And we stood there wondering if we were both going to be okay. both going to be okay. both going to be okay. And that lieutenant was my brother And that lieutenant was my brother And that lieutenant was my brother Kevin.

Kevin. Kevin. And then I told him what what I told And then I told him what what I told And then I told him what what I told many of the other fire officers. many of the other fire officers. many of the other fire officers. I said, "Go up to the 70th floor." I said, "Go up to the 70th floor." I said, "Go up to the 70th floor." 70. They hoped could be a staging area 70. They hoped could be a staging area 70. They hoped could be a staging area in the north tower. In less than half an in the north tower. In less than half an in the north tower. In less than half an hour, the FDNY had rescue operations in hour, the FDNY had rescue operations in hour, the FDNY had rescue operations in the North Tower, the South Tower, and the North Tower, the South Tower, and the North Tower, the South Tower, and the nearly sold out 800 room hotel the nearly sold out 800 room hotel the nearly sold out 800 room hotel between them. between them. between them. >> From the time the first plane hit the >> From the time the first plane hit the >> From the time the first plane hit the North Tower until the second the tower North Tower until the second the tower North Tower until the second the tower collapsed was 102 minutes. collapsed was 102 minutes. collapsed was 102 minutes. The things that were going through The things that were going through The things that were going through Pete's mind in just 102 minutes. It's Pete's mind in just 102 minutes. It's Pete's mind in just 102 minutes. It's just mindboggling. just mindboggling. just mindboggling. Sal Casano was with Chief of Department Sal Casano was with Chief of Department Sal Casano was with Chief of Department Pete Gansy at his command post on the Pete Gansy at his command post on the Pete Gansy at his command post on the street below the towers. This is the street below the towers. This is the street below the towers. This is the only known picture of Gansy that day. only known picture of Gansy that day. only known picture of Gansy that day. Was Gansy the kind of boss that you did Was Gansy the kind of boss that you did Was Gansy the kind of boss that you did things for because you feared him or things for because you feared him or things for because you feared him or because you desperately did not want to because you desperately did not want to because you desperately did not want to let him down?

let him down? let him down? >> You did it because you love him. >> You did it because you love him. >> You did it because you love him. >> Gansy joined the FDNY in 1968. >> Gansy joined the FDNY in 1968. >> Gansy joined the FDNY in 1968. What kind of man was Peter Dancy? >> Uh, >> Uh, you know, Pete, uh, I guess people would you know, Pete, uh, I guess people would you know, Pete, uh, I guess people would say he's my alter ego. Had say he's my alter ego. Had say he's my alter ego. Had chest full of medals. And he was just a chest full of medals. And he was just a chest full of medals. And he was just a a downto- earthth, honest, hardworking a downto- earthth, honest, hardworking a downto- earthth, honest, hardworking guy. You know, he's a paratrooper in the guy. You know, he's a paratrooper in the guy. You know, he's a paratrooper in the army. Worked his way up to be chief of army. Worked his way up to be chief of army. Worked his way up to be chief of department in the FDNY. Quite a story. a department in the FDNY. Quite a story. a department in the FDNY. Quite a story. a story of courage over his 33-year story of courage over his 33-year story of courage over his 33-year career. He won the department's medal of career. He won the department's medal of career. He won the department's medal of valor, crawling into a burning apartment valor, crawling into a burning apartment valor, crawling into a burning apartment on his hands and knees, on his hands and knees, on his hands and knees, grabbing a child who was certainly going grabbing a child who was certainly going grabbing a child who was certainly going to die and dragging that child out and to die and dragging that child out and to die and dragging that child out and saving her life. saving her life. saving her life. >> That's the kind of person Pete was. He >> That's the kind of person Pete was. He >> That's the kind of person Pete was. He would put people before himself without would put people before himself without would put people before himself without a doubt. He put his firefighters before a doubt. He put his firefighters before a doubt. He put his firefighters before himself three months before 9/11. Gansy, himself three months before 9/11. Gansy, himself three months before 9/11. Gansy, the chief of department, responded from the chief of department, responded from the chief of department, responded from home to a call of firefighters trapped home to a call of firefighters trapped home to a call of firefighters trapped in a burning store. He went in wearing in a burning store. He went in wearing in a burning store. He went in wearing shorts and boat shoes. He once said his shorts and boat shoes. He once said his shorts and boat shoes. He once said his 11,000 firefighters were his children.

11,000 firefighters were his children. 11,000 firefighters were his children. On that day in Queens, he lost three. to On that day in Queens, he lost three. to On that day in Queens, he lost three. to get the shot. get the shot. get the shot. >> On 911, the man responsible for >> On 911, the man responsible for >> On 911, the man responsible for firefighter safety was Chief Al Tur who firefighter safety was Chief Al Tur who firefighter safety was Chief Al Tur who was tormented by the passing minutes. was tormented by the passing minutes. was tormented by the passing minutes. >> Let it burn up. >> Let it burn up. >> Let it burn up. >> He asked Pete Hayden if he had >> He asked Pete Hayden if he had >> He asked Pete Hayden if he had considered the threat of a partial considered the threat of a partial considered the threat of a partial localized collapse on the burning localized collapse on the burning localized collapse on the burning floors. floors. floors. >> I said yes. Uh but we needed to get the >> I said yes. Uh but we needed to get the >> I said yes. Uh but we needed to get the people out. There were hundreds upon people out. There were hundreds upon people out. There were hundreds upon hundreds of people coming down the hundreds of people coming down the hundreds of people coming down the interior stairs. interior stairs. interior stairs. >> How much time did you think you had? >> How much time did you think you had? >> How much time did you think you had? >> I thought we had a couple of hours. >> I thought we had a couple of hours. >> I thought we had a couple of hours. >> The chiefs knew no steel high-rise in >> The chiefs knew no steel high-rise in >> The chiefs knew no steel high-rise in history had ever completely collapsed history had ever completely collapsed history had ever completely collapsed due to fire. due to fire. due to fire. >> None of us expected the building to come >> None of us expected the building to come >> None of us expected the building to come down. We expected the fire to keep down. We expected the fire to keep down. We expected the fire to keep burning and conditions to get worse. But burning and conditions to get worse. But burning and conditions to get worse. But um if we could just um if we could just um if we could just get one route above in each building, get one route above in each building, get one route above in each building, perhaps we could perhaps we could perhaps we could bring some folks down at least. You just bring some folks down at least. You just bring some folks down at least. You just needed a little more time.

needed a little more time. needed a little more time. >> We just needed time. >> We just needed time. >> We just needed time. >> Oreo. All right. >> Oreo. All right. >> Oreo. All right. >> No one would do more with time than Oreo >> No one would do more with time than Oreo >> No one would do more with time than Oreo Palmer. That's him on the right with the Palmer. That's him on the right with the Palmer. That's him on the right with the mustache. He's receiving orders to go to mustache. He's receiving orders to go to mustache. He's receiving orders to go to the south tower to try to clear a path the south tower to try to clear a path the south tower to try to clear a path to the trapped souls calling 911. to the trapped souls calling 911. to the trapped souls calling 911. >> How many people where you're at right >> How many people where you're at right >> How many people where you're at right now? now? now? >> Like five people here with me. >> Like five people here with me. >> Like five people here with me. >> Call up from the 83rd floor. >> Call up from the 83rd floor. >> Call up from the 83rd floor. >> 83rd floor. >> 83rd floor. >> 83rd floor. >> 32year-old Melissa Doy was saying the >> 32year-old Melissa Doy was saying the >> 32year-old Melissa Doy was saying the Hail Mary prayer when 911 answered. The Hail Mary prayer when 911 answered. The Hail Mary prayer when 911 answered. The once aspiring ballerina was a manager in once aspiring ballerina was a manager in once aspiring ballerina was a manager in a financial firm on 83, one of the a financial firm on 83, one of the a financial firm on 83, one of the burning floors in the South Tower. burning floors in the South Tower. burning floors in the South Tower. >> Is are they going to be able to get >> Is are they going to be able to get >> Is are they going to be able to get somebody up here? We come up. somebody up here? We come up. somebody up here? We come up. >> Well, there's no one here yet and the >> Well, there's no one here yet and the >> Well, there's no one here yet and the floor is completely engulfed. We're on floor is completely engulfed. We're on floor is completely engulfed. We're on the floor and we can't breathe the floor and we can't breathe the floor and we can't breathe >> and it's very, very, very hot. >> and it's very, very, very hot. >> and it's very, very, very hot. >> The operator was right. Someone was >> The operator was right. Someone was >> The operator was right. Someone was rising toward Melissa Doy. Oreo Palmer rising toward Melissa Doy. Oreo Palmer rising toward Melissa Doy. Oreo Palmer ran marathons as a hobby.

ran marathons as a hobby. ran marathons as a hobby. >> Battalion 7, ladder. >> Battalion 7, ladder. >> Battalion 7, ladder. >> Battalion 7 is Chief Palmer. Ladder 15 >> Battalion 7 is Chief Palmer. Ladder 15 >> Battalion 7 is Chief Palmer. Ladder 15 is a team of firefighters a few floors is a team of firefighters a few floors is a team of firefighters a few floors below. below. below. >> What do you got up there, Chief? >> What do you got up there, Chief? >> What do you got up there, Chief? >> I'm still in voice, 74th floor. No smoke >> I'm still in voice, 74th floor. No smoke >> I'm still in voice, 74th floor. No smoke problem. The walls are breached, so be problem. The walls are breached, so be problem. The walls are breached, so be careful. careful. careful. >> This is ladder 15's Lieutenant Joe Levy. >> This is ladder 15's Lieutenant Joe Levy. >> This is ladder 15's Lieutenant Joe Levy. All right, All right, All right, >> we're on 71. coming up behind you. >> we're on 71. coming up behind you. >> we're on 71. coming up behind you. >> Marshall 75. >> Marshall 75. >> Marshall 75. >> Palmer found fire marshal Ron Bua on the >> Palmer found fire marshal Ron Bua on the >> Palmer found fire marshal Ron Bua on the 75th floor evacuating civilians. 75 firefighters. Adam, stay away to knock firefighters. Adam, stay away to knock down two fires. You guys have a house down two fires. You guys have a house down two fires. You guys have a house stretch. We can get some water on and stretch. We can get some water on and stretch. We can get some water on and knock it down. Okay. knock it down. Okay. knock it down. Okay. >> Palmer had discovered the only intact >> Palmer had discovered the only intact >> Palmer had discovered the only intact stairway to the top of the south tower. stairway to the top of the south tower. stairway to the top of the south tower. Unlike the north tower, the second plane Unlike the north tower, the second plane Unlike the north tower, the second plane had missed stairway A. had missed stairway A. had missed stairway A. >> Go 77 now on the B. I'll be right >> Go 77 now on the B. I'll be right >> Go 77 now on the B. I'll be right through you.

through you. through you. >> If Palmer could clear this stairwell, >> If Palmer could clear this stairwell, >> If Palmer could clear this stairwell, 619 619 619 souls would have a way out. He was five souls would have a way out. He was five souls would have a way out. He was five floors below Melissa Doy and rising. floors below Melissa Doy and rising. floors below Melissa Doy and rising. >> No, no, no, no, no. I'm going to die. >> No, no, no, no, no. I'm going to die. >> No, no, no, no, no. I'm going to die. Ma'am, ma'am, say your prayers. We're Ma'am, ma'am, say your prayers. We're Ma'am, ma'am, say your prayers. We're not going to die. I'm going to be not going to die. I'm going to be not going to die. I'm going to be positive because you got to help to get positive because you got to help to get positive because you got to help to get off the floor. off the floor. off the floor. >> Stair is going up to 79. Okay. >> Stair is going up to 79. Okay. >> Stair is going up to 79. Okay. >> All right. I'm on my way up. >> Stay calm. Stay calm. Stay calm. Stay >> Stay calm. Stay calm. Stay calm. Stay calm. calm. calm. >> You're doing a good job, ma'am. You're >> You're doing a good job, ma'am. You're >> You're doing a good job, ma'am. You're doing a good job. doing a good job. doing a good job. >> It's so hot. I'm burning up. >> It's so hot. I'm burning up. >> It's so hot. I'm burning up. >> The ascent of Oreo Palmer and Peter >> The ascent of Oreo Palmer and Peter >> The ascent of Oreo Palmer and Peter Gansy's sacrifice. When we come back, an hour had passed since the attack on an hour had passed since the attack on the World Trade Center began. In the the World Trade Center began. In the the World Trade Center began. In the South Tower, Battalion 7 Chief Oreo South Tower, Battalion 7 Chief Oreo South Tower, Battalion 7 Chief Oreo Palmer took the only working elevator as Palmer took the only working elevator as Palmer took the only working elevator as high as it would go. Then he led the men high as it would go. Then he led the men high as it would go. Then he led the men of ladder 15 on a climb from the 40th of ladder 15 on a climb from the 40th of ladder 15 on a climb from the 40th floor. Palmer was trying to clear a path floor. Palmer was trying to clear a path floor. Palmer was trying to clear a path to 619 to 619 to 619 people trapped by fire.

>> This is Palmer's radio transmission from >> This is Palmer's radio transmission from the 78th floor of the South Tower. He's the 78th floor of the South Tower. He's the 78th floor of the South Tower. He's calling the firefighters of ladder 15 calling the firefighters of ladder 15 calling the firefighters of ladder 15 who are coming up with rescue gear from who are coming up with rescue gear from who are coming up with rescue gear from a few floors below. a few floors below. a few floors below. >> We got two eyes in the pockets of fire. >> We got two eyes in the pockets of fire. >> We got two eyes in the pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with We should be able to knock it down with We should be able to knock it down with two lines. Where you know 78 floor 1045 two lines. Where you know 78 floor 1045 two lines. Where you know 78 floor 1045 code ones. code ones. code ones. >> 1045 code ones were fatalities more than >> 1045 code ones were fatalities more than >> 1045 code ones were fatalities more than he could count. Palmer pressed towards he could count. Palmer pressed towards he could count. Palmer pressed towards 79, climbing at about one floor a 79, climbing at about one floor a 79, climbing at about one floor a minute. As he rose, Melissa Doy speaking minute. As he rose, Melissa Doy speaking minute. As he rose, Melissa Doy speaking to 911 from the 83rd floor thought she to 911 from the 83rd floor thought she to 911 from the 83rd floor thought she heard someone. heard someone. heard someone. >> Wait, wait, wait. >> Hello, ma'am. >> Hello, ma'am. >> Oh my god. They coming through now. >> Oh my god. They coming through now. >> Oh my god. They coming through now. >> Find out if there's anybody here on the >> Find out if there's anybody here on the >> Find out if there's anybody here on the 83rd floor. 83rd floor. 83rd floor. >> Ma'am, don't worry. You stay on the >> Ma'am, don't worry. You stay on the >> Ma'am, don't worry. You stay on the phone with me and we're I already know. phone with me and we're I already know. phone with me and we're I already know. Find out if there's anyone on the third Find out if there's anyone on the third Find out if there's anyone on the third floor because he floor because he floor because he >> we don't know what she heard, >> we don't know what she heard, >> we don't know what she heard, >> but hearing no answer to her shout, >> but hearing no answer to her shout, >> but hearing no answer to her shout, Melissa Doy returned the call.

Melissa Doy returned the call. Melissa Doy returned the call. >> Can you Can you >> Can you Can you >> Can you Can you with me, please? with me, please? with me, please? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Oral Palma knew how dangerous this was >> Oral Palma knew how dangerous this was >> Oral Palma knew how dangerous this was and he didn't stop. and he didn't stop. and he didn't stop. Ladder 15 knew how dangerous it was. But Ladder 15 knew how dangerous it was. But Ladder 15 knew how dangerous it was. But we never thought that an entire we never thought that an entire we never thought that an entire high-rise building would collapse. high-rise building would collapse. high-rise building would collapse. There was no history of it anywhere in There was no history of it anywhere in There was no history of it anywhere in the world. But this day, history was the world. But this day, history was the world. But this day, history was changing because the planes had blasted changing because the planes had blasted changing because the planes had blasted away the sprayon fireproof foam away the sprayon fireproof foam away the sprayon fireproof foam insulating the structural steel. The insulating the structural steel. The insulating the structural steel. The burning floors were sagging, slowly, burning floors were sagging, slowly, burning floors were sagging, slowly, pulling the exterior inward. pulling the exterior inward. pulling the exterior inward. EMS Division Chief John Peruia was in EMS Division Chief John Peruia was in EMS Division Chief John Peruia was in the city emergency operations center the city emergency operations center the city emergency operations center where he received a warning from an where he received a warning from an where he received a warning from an official he believes was an engineer. He official he believes was an engineer. He official he believes was an engineer. He said, "The buildings are severely said, "The buildings are severely said, "The buildings are severely compromised. You can see slight lean. compromised. You can see slight lean. compromised. You can see slight lean. They're in danger of collapse." So I They're in danger of collapse." So I They're in danger of collapse." So I grabbed one of my staff guys, EMT Rich grabbed one of my staff guys, EMT Rich grabbed one of my staff guys, EMT Rich Zerillo, and I said, "Rich, go to Peak Zerillo, and I said, "Rich, go to Peak Zerillo, and I said, "Rich, go to Peak Anie. Don't talk to anyone else and Anie. Don't talk to anyone else and Anie. Don't talk to anyone else and deliver this message. The buildings are deliver this message. The buildings are deliver this message. The buildings are in danger of collapse.

in danger of collapse. in danger of collapse. >> In this 4se secondond video at far left, >> In this 4se secondond video at far left, >> In this 4se secondond video at far left, you see Rich Zerillo's blue shirt. He's you see Rich Zerillo's blue shirt. He's you see Rich Zerillo's blue shirt. He's delivering the warning to Pete Gansy. delivering the warning to Pete Gansy. delivering the warning to Pete Gansy. Zerillo hardly got the words out when Zerillo hardly got the words out when Zerillo hardly got the words out when Gansy's attention was drawn to a roar Gansy's attention was drawn to a roar Gansy's attention was drawn to a roar from the south tower above him. >> Loud noise. Had no idea what it was. >> Loud noise. Had no idea what it was. All we saw was this plume of dust and All we saw was this plume of dust and All we saw was this plume of dust and smoke and and debris. smoke and and debris. smoke and and debris. >> In the moment before, Melissa Doy had >> In the moment before, Melissa Doy had >> In the moment before, Melissa Doy had given the 911 operator her mother's given the 911 operator her mother's given the 911 operator her mother's phone number and the message that her phone number and the message that her phone number and the message that her daughter loved her. Then there was daughter loved her. Then there was daughter loved her. Then there was silence. silence. silence. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Melissa, please. Going to be all right. >> Melissa, please. Going to be all right. >> Melissa, please. Going to be all right. You're going to be fine. You got to talk You're going to be fine. You got to talk You're going to be fine. You got to talk to your mother yourself. to your mother yourself. to your mother yourself. But you got to think positive. You got But you got to think positive. You got But you got to think positive. You got to stay calm. Okay? You got to talk to to stay calm. Okay? You got to talk to to stay calm. Okay? You got to talk to your mother yourself. All right.

Melissa Melissa >> Palmer's last radio transmission was >> Palmer's last radio transmission was >> Palmer's last radio transmission was battalion 7 to latter 15, and there's battalion 7 to latter 15, and there's battalion 7 to latter 15, and there's nothing after that. That's when the nothing after that. That's when the nothing after that. That's when the tower collapses. tower collapses. tower collapses. He must have known He must have known He must have known that with every step he ascended, his that with every step he ascended, his that with every step he ascended, his chance of survival dropped. chance of survival dropped. chance of survival dropped. >> Didn't deter him one bit. The only thing >> Didn't deter him one bit. The only thing >> Didn't deter him one bit. The only thing that was in his mind was, "Let me get up that was in his mind was, "Let me get up that was in his mind was, "Let me get up there. Let me get as many people out as there. Let me get as many people out as there. Let me get as many people out as I can as quickly as I can." I can as quickly as I can." I can as quickly as I can." >> Joe Feifer next door in the north tower >> Joe Feifer next door in the north tower >> Joe Feifer next door in the north tower was 200 ft from the cascading twin. And then the lobby goes And then the lobby goes pitch black. pitch black. pitch black. >> Everybody all right? >> Everybody all right? >> Everybody all right? >> Yeah, I'm okay.

>> Yeah, I'm okay. >> Yeah, I'm okay. >> And in the darkness, I wondered if I was >> And in the darkness, I wondered if I was >> And in the darkness, I wondered if I was dead or alive. dead or alive. dead or alive. >> WE GOT TO GET EVERYBODY OUT. LET'S GO. >> WE GOT TO GET EVERYBODY OUT. LET'S GO. >> WE GOT TO GET EVERYBODY OUT. LET'S GO. >> AND I GOT on my radio. >> AND I GOT on my radio. >> AND I GOT on my radio. They said, "Command to all units in They said, "Command to all units in They said, "Command to all units in tower one. tower one. tower one. >> Evacuate the building." >> Evacuate the building." >> Evacuate the building." >> Joe Feifer was given the order to >> Joe Feifer was given the order to >> Joe Feifer was given the order to evacuate and one of the firefighters uh evacuate and one of the firefighters uh evacuate and one of the firefighters uh were calling my name. were calling my name. were calling my name. >> Chief Hay, >> Chief Hay, >> Chief Hay, >> he says, "Uh, we we have somebody down." >> he says, "Uh, we we have somebody down." >> he says, "Uh, we we have somebody down." >> I felt somebody at my feet. And I I saw >> I felt somebody at my feet. And I I saw >> I felt somebody at my feet. And I I saw this was our fire fire department this was our fire fire department this was our fire fire department chaplain, Father Michael Judge. I chaplain, Father Michael Judge. I chaplain, Father Michael Judge. I removed his white collar. removed his white collar. removed his white collar. I checked for his pulse and breathing I checked for his pulse and breathing I checked for his pulse and breathing and he had none and he had none and he had none and I knew he was gone. Several of us and I knew he was gone. Several of us and I knew he was gone. Several of us picked him up and we carried him out. picked him up and we carried him out. picked him up and we carried him out. The EMTs that had taken him actually The EMTs that had taken him actually The EMTs that had taken him actually took him not to the morg, but they took took him not to the morg, but they took took him not to the morg, but they took him to uh St. Peter Claver, which is a him to uh St. Peter Claver, which is a him to uh St. Peter Claver, which is a Catholic church a little bit north of Catholic church a little bit north of Catholic church a little bit north of the trade center, and they laid him on the trade center, and they laid him on the trade center, and they laid him on the altar and they called up the the altar and they called up the the altar and they called up the Franciscan priests to come down and get Franciscan priests to come down and get Franciscan priests to come down and get him.

>> Power two has had a major explosion and >> Power two has had a major explosion and what appears to be a complete collapse. what appears to be a complete collapse. what appears to be a complete collapse. >> Mobilize the army. We need the army in >> Mobilize the army. We need the army in >> Mobilize the army. We need the army in Manhattan. Manhattan. Manhattan. There was a rush of dust with high There was a rush of dust with high There was a rush of dust with high pressure coming in, you know, with force pressure coming in, you know, with force pressure coming in, you know, with force um that I've never experienced before. um that I've never experienced before. um that I've never experienced before. >> Gansy's streetside command post had been >> Gansy's streetside command post had been >> Gansy's streetside command post had been set up next to an underground garage in set up next to an underground garage in set up next to an underground garage in case shelter was needed. case shelter was needed. case shelter was needed. >> Captain John Sudnik, Gansy, and the >> Captain John Sudnik, Gansy, and the >> Captain John Sudnik, Gansy, and the Chiefs dove into the entrance. Chiefs dove into the entrance. Chiefs dove into the entrance. >> I just remember the dust that day >> I just remember the dust that day >> I just remember the dust that day feeling like it was searing your lungs. feeling like it was searing your lungs. feeling like it was searing your lungs. It's like it was like it felt like you It's like it was like it felt like you It's like it was like it felt like you were swallowing glass. were swallowing glass. were swallowing glass. >> Pitch black. Pitch black. But we heard >> Pitch black. Pitch black. But we heard >> Pitch black. Pitch black. But we heard voices. Are you okay? Are you okay? And voices. Are you okay? Are you okay? And voices. Are you okay? Are you okay? And then that's when we made our way back then that's when we made our way back then that's when we made our way back up. And then when we got up to uh where up. And then when we got up to uh where up. And then when we got up to uh where the command post was, the command post was, the command post was, Pete's mind went into rescue mode. Pete Pete's mind went into rescue mode. Pete Pete's mind went into rescue mode. Pete Gansy heard on the radio the cries of Gansy heard on the radio the cries of Gansy heard on the radio the cries of trapped and wounded firefighters.

trapped and wounded firefighters. trapped and wounded firefighters. >> And then I remember him giving orders. I >> And then I remember him giving orders. I >> And then I remember him giving orders. I need truck companies. I need rescue need truck companies. I need rescue need truck companies. I need rescue company. company. company. Tell them to come with me. Tell them to come with me. Tell them to come with me. >> As he had before, Gansy went into the >> As he had before, Gansy went into the >> As he had before, Gansy went into the debris to save his men himself. debris to save his men himself. debris to save his men himself. In the still standing north tower, many In the still standing north tower, many In the still standing north tower, many firefighters refused the order to firefighters refused the order to firefighters refused the order to evacuate while they were still carrying evacuate while they were still carrying evacuate while they were still carrying the wounded and disabled. the wounded and disabled. the wounded and disabled. Gansy sent Salasano to set up a new Gansy sent Salasano to set up a new Gansy sent Salasano to set up a new command post. 28 minutes later, Casano command post. 28 minutes later, Casano command post. 28 minutes later, Casano was on his way back. was on his way back. was on his way back. >> And then I look up and all I could see >> And then I look up and all I could see >> And then I look up and all I could see was the um antenna was the um antenna was the um antenna from the north tower imploding. >> The other tower just collapsed. Made to >> The other tower just collapsed. Made to collapse. Made to collapse. I I in my mind um had to in my mind um had to in my mind um had to be resolved with death.

be resolved with death. be resolved with death. >> Regina Wilson was on the street below >> Regina Wilson was on the street below >> Regina Wilson was on the street below the tower. She was with engine 219 in the tower. She was with engine 219 in the tower. She was with engine 219 in her second year as a firefighter. her second year as a firefighter. her second year as a firefighter. >> And I prayed and then I just asked God >> And I prayed and then I just asked God >> And I prayed and then I just asked God to just protect me. And then if he to just protect me. And then if he to just protect me. And then if he couldn't, I knew that I would die doing couldn't, I knew that I would die doing couldn't, I knew that I would die doing what I love. what I love. what I love. >> Inside the collapsing North Tower, the >> Inside the collapsing North Tower, the >> Inside the collapsing North Tower, the men of Engine 39 were caught in a men of Engine 39 were caught in a men of Engine 39 were caught in a stairwell. stairwell. stairwell. >> And it started out slow. Boom boom boom. >> And it started out slow. Boom boom boom. >> And it started out slow. Boom boom boom. Then it got quicker where pretty soon Then it got quicker where pretty soon Then it got quicker where pretty soon was just like bum bum coming down. You was just like bum bum coming down. You was just like bum bum coming down. You >> Jeff Kiglio and Jamie Epamiottis were on >> Jeff Kiglio and Jamie Epamiottis were on >> Jeff Kiglio and Jamie Epamiottis were on the stairs near the ground floor with the stairs near the ground floor with the stairs near the ground floor with 110 floors above them. 110 floors above them. 110 floors above them. >> It took 10 seconds for it to come down, >> It took 10 seconds for it to come down, >> It took 10 seconds for it to come down, but it felt like 10 minutes. I saw but it felt like 10 minutes. I saw but it felt like 10 minutes. I saw I was in the background of a funeral. I I was in the background of a funeral. I I was in the background of a funeral. I saw my casket. I saw my parents, my wife saw my casket. I saw my parents, my wife saw my casket. I saw my parents, my wife sitting in the front. And as I'm sitting in the front. And as I'm sitting in the front. And as I'm watching this, I'm like, "All right, watching this, I'm like, "All right, watching this, I'm like, "All right, it's going to be quick." I'm just it's going to be quick." I'm just it's going to be quick." I'm just waiting for something to tap my shoulder waiting for something to tap my shoulder waiting for something to tap my shoulder and figure I'll feel a tap and that'll and figure I'll feel a tap and that'll and figure I'll feel a tap and that'll be it. We'll be gone. You know, we're be it. We'll be gone. You know, we're be it. We'll be gone. You know, we're not going to suffer.

not going to suffer. not going to suffer. >> James McGlenn and Bob Bacon were in the >> James McGlenn and Bob Bacon were in the >> James McGlenn and Bob Bacon were in the same stairwell. same stairwell. same stairwell. >> You know, the wind actually came up the >> You know, the wind actually came up the >> You know, the wind actually came up the stairwell, you know, blew me into the stairwell, you know, blew me into the stairwell, you know, blew me into the air and the the landing that I was on air and the the landing that I was on air and the the landing that I was on just disintegrated underneath me and I just disintegrated underneath me and I just disintegrated underneath me and I kind of bounced, you know, back and kind of bounced, you know, back and kind of bounced, you know, back and forth and hanging from like a pipe. Uh, forth and hanging from like a pipe. Uh, forth and hanging from like a pipe. Uh, I think I said a couple of prayers and I think I said a couple of prayers and I think I said a couple of prayers and said, "God, please get us out of here." said, "God, please get us out of here." said, "God, please get us out of here." >> Their fragment of an intact stairwell >> Their fragment of an intact stairwell >> Their fragment of an intact stairwell lay upon a mountain of misery. 16 acres lay upon a mountain of misery. 16 acres lay upon a mountain of misery. 16 acres of wreckage, 91 crushed FDNY vehicles, of wreckage, 91 crushed FDNY vehicles, of wreckage, 91 crushed FDNY vehicles, and quiet and quiet and quiet like the first heavy snow of winter. like the first heavy snow of winter. like the first heavy snow of winter. Every once in a while, you'd hear the Every once in a while, you'd hear the Every once in a while, you'd hear the radio, the dispatcher on the radio radio, the dispatcher on the radio radio, the dispatcher on the radio trying to contact somebody. I'm an trying to contact somebody. I'm an trying to contact somebody. I'm an adding any division or any staff chief adding any division or any staff chief adding any division or any staff chief at the scene of the World Trade Center. at the scene of the World Trade Center. at the scene of the World Trade Center. Okay. >> Silence spoke of unimaginable loss. >> Silence spoke of unimaginable loss. >> Any division chief or any staff chief at >> Any division chief or any staff chief at >> Any division chief or any staff chief at the scene of any of the World Trade the scene of any of the World Trade the scene of any of the World Trade Center. Okay.

Only four of us survived. Only four of us survived. Joe Feifer thought of the lieutenant of Joe Feifer thought of the lieutenant of Joe Feifer thought of the lieutenant of engine 33, his brother Kevin, who Feifer engine 33, his brother Kevin, who Feifer engine 33, his brother Kevin, who Feifer sent up the north tower. sent up the north tower. sent up the north tower. >> I got on my radio >> I got on my radio >> I got on my radio and I said, "Battalion one to engine 33 and I said, "Battalion one to engine 33 and I said, "Battalion one to engine 33 and I repeated it several times and I repeated it several times and I repeated it several times and I didn't get an answer." and I didn't get an answer." and I didn't get an answer." Kevin Feifer was gone and so was the Kevin Feifer was gone and so was the Kevin Feifer was gone and so was the crew of ladder 105 which rolled from crew of ladder 105 which rolled from crew of ladder 105 which rolled from Regina Wilson's firehouse. Regina Wilson's firehouse. Regina Wilson's firehouse. >> We found the truck. We didn't find the >> We found the truck. We didn't find the >> We found the truck. We didn't find the members. members. members. >> What happened to them? >> What happened to them? >> What happened to them? >> They all died. >> They all died. >> They all died. >> Among them was John Chapura, her mentor >> Among them was John Chapura, her mentor >> Among them was John Chapura, her mentor and her savior. Regina Wilson was and her savior. Regina Wilson was and her savior. Regina Wilson was assigned to the doomed ladder 105. But assigned to the doomed ladder 105. But assigned to the doomed ladder 105. But early that morning before the attack, early that morning before the attack, early that morning before the attack, John Chapura asked to switch jobs, which John Chapura asked to switch jobs, which John Chapura asked to switch jobs, which put her among the survivors of engine put her among the survivors of engine put her among the survivors of engine 219.

219. 219. >> I tried to honor him by by talking his >> I tried to honor him by by talking his >> I tried to honor him by by talking his name. And that's how it is in the name. And that's how it is in the name. And that's how it is in the African-American culture. African-American culture. African-American culture. When you speak the name of an ancestor When you speak the name of an ancestor When you speak the name of an ancestor or you speak the name of a loved one, or you speak the name of a loved one, or you speak the name of a loved one, then they live. then they live. then they live. And so every time I say John named, he And so every time I say John named, he And so every time I say John named, he lives. And it gives me comfort. lives. And it gives me comfort. lives. And it gives me comfort. >> It was very hot. >> It was very hot. >> It was very hot. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> The men of engine 39 were trapped in the >> The men of engine 39 were trapped in the >> The men of engine 39 were trapped in the wreckage near the north tower lobby. wreckage near the north tower lobby. wreckage near the north tower lobby. They could hear only a few feet away. They could hear only a few feet away. They could hear only a few feet away. Battalion Chief Richard Prunty who was Battalion Chief Richard Prunty who was Battalion Chief Richard Prunty who was pinned and calling for help. pinned and calling for help. pinned and calling for help. >> We couldn't get to him and he was >> We couldn't get to him and he was >> We couldn't get to him and he was passing out passing out passing out >> at times. Yeah, he was coming in and >> at times. Yeah, he was coming in and >> at times. Yeah, he was coming in and out. out. out. >> Did you hear his radio transmissions? >> Did you hear his radio transmissions? >> Did you hear his radio transmissions? The last thing that he said was of The last thing that he said was of The last thing that he said was of course about his wife and saying that course about his wife and saying that course about his wife and saying that >> tell my wife and children I love them. >> tell my wife and children I love them. >> tell my wife and children I love them. >> Yeah. That they were the most of my wife >> Yeah. That they were the most of my wife >> Yeah. That they were the most of my wife that she was the most important thing in that she was the most important thing in that she was the most important thing in the world to me. the world to me. the world to me. >> Those words were among Richard Prunty's >> Those words were among Richard Prunty's >> Those words were among Richard Prunty's last. The men of engine 39 were rescued, last. The men of engine 39 were rescued, last. The men of engine 39 were rescued, but 343 but 343 but 343 members of the FDNY were gone. In a members of the FDNY were gone. In a members of the FDNY were gone. In a tradition where the job is handed down tradition where the job is handed down tradition where the job is handed down in families, many lost fathers, sons and in families, many lost fathers, sons and in families, many lost fathers, sons and brothers, brothers, brothers, >> guys I had worked with both retired and >> guys I had worked with both retired and >> guys I had worked with both retired and active active active saying to me, you know, have you seen my saying to me, you know, have you seen my saying to me, you know, have you seen my son?

son? son? And uh And uh And uh you know, firefighter, young firefighter you know, firefighter, young firefighter you know, firefighter, young firefighter coming up, you know, chief, have you coming up, you know, chief, have you coming up, you know, chief, have you seen my father? I knew him. And I uh I seen my father? I knew him. And I uh I seen my father? I knew him. And I uh I just said no. I didn't have the courage just said no. I didn't have the courage just said no. I didn't have the courage to tell him what I knew to be true. to tell him what I knew to be true. to tell him what I knew to be true. >> Among the fallen were Peter Gansy and >> Among the fallen were Peter Gansy and >> Among the fallen were Peter Gansy and 71-year-old Deputy Fire Commissioner 71-year-old Deputy Fire Commissioner 71-year-old Deputy Fire Commissioner William Fen, who had gone with Gansy to William Fen, who had gone with Gansy to William Fen, who had gone with Gansy to rescue the trapped. Pete Hayden climbed rescue the trapped. Pete Hayden climbed rescue the trapped. Pete Hayden climbed a top an engine to address the living. a top an engine to address the living. a top an engine to address the living. >> I yelled out, um, you know, we we just >> I yelled out, um, you know, we we just >> I yelled out, um, you know, we we just lost a lot of guys here today. Let's lost a lot of guys here today. Let's lost a lot of guys here today. Let's have a a moment of silence. And uh well I took my helmet off And uh well I took my helmet off and um I reheld it. I held it and um I reheld it. I held it and um I reheld it. I held it and uh after a while I put my helmet and uh after a while I put my helmet and uh after a while I put my helmet back on. They put their helmets back on. back on. They put their helmets back on. back on. They put their helmets back on. I said, "Okay, we got a job to do. Let's I said, "Okay, we got a job to do. Let's I said, "Okay, we got a job to do. Let's do it." do it." do it." >> Do you look back and wonder >> Do you look back and wonder >> Do you look back and wonder how did I survive? And 343 how did I survive? And 343 how did I survive? And 343 members did not.

members did not. members did not. Um, Um, Um, I didn't think about it as much. I didn't think about it as much. I didn't think about it as much. We were crazy busy. I was working 18 We were crazy busy. I was working 18 We were crazy busy. I was working 18 hours a day. And then it hit me. I says, hours a day. And then it hit me. I says, hours a day. And then it hit me. I says, "I'm here." You know, I mean, I get home "I'm here." You know, I mean, I get home "I'm here." You know, I mean, I get home and I'm tired. And there was always food and I'm tired. And there was always food and I'm tired. And there was always food on the table waiting for me when I came on the table waiting for me when I came on the table waiting for me when I came home. That no matter what time I came home. That no matter what time I came home. That no matter what time I came home. And um and she said, "Did you ever think there and she said, "Did you ever think there was a job for you to do?" was a job for you to do?" was a job for you to do?" >> There was a job for Casano and others to >> There was a job for Casano and others to >> There was a job for Casano and others to do. Rebuilding the FDNY. do. Rebuilding the FDNY. do. Rebuilding the FDNY. When we come back, the children of the When we come back, the children of the When we come back, the children of the lost put on their father's uniform.

Volunteers started fighting fire in Volunteers started fighting fire in Manhattan in 1648. Manhattan in 1648. Manhattan in 1648. Nearly 200 years later, during the Civil Nearly 200 years later, during the Civil Nearly 200 years later, during the Civil War, an entire New York regiment was War, an entire New York regiment was War, an entire New York regiment was manned by firefighters. Their commander manned by firefighters. Their commander manned by firefighters. Their commander is quoted, "I want New York firemen, for is quoted, "I want New York firemen, for is quoted, "I want New York firemen, for there are no more effective men in the there are no more effective men in the there are no more effective men in the country." As those veterans returned country." As those veterans returned country." As those veterans returned home in 1865, the modern FDNY was home in 1865, the modern FDNY was home in 1865, the modern FDNY was created. The department's traditions are created. The department's traditions are created. The department's traditions are handed down in families, and so it handed down in families, and so it handed down in families, and so it remains, especially for the children of remains, especially for the children of remains, especially for the children of 9/11's fallen. 9/11's fallen. 9/11's fallen. The late chief of department, Peter The late chief of department, Peter The late chief of department, Peter Gansy, had three children. His daughter Gansy, had three children. His daughter Gansy, had three children. His daughter married a firefighter. These are his married a firefighter. These are his married a firefighter. These are his sons. Captain Peter Gansy III was 27 on sons. Captain Peter Gansy III was 27 on sons. Captain Peter Gansy III was 27 on 911. Battalion Chief Chris Gansy was 25. 911. Battalion Chief Chris Gansy was 25. 911. Battalion Chief Chris Gansy was 25. How did you learn your father died? How did you learn your father died? How did you learn your father died? >> I ran home and I got in the door right >> I ran home and I got in the door right >> I ran home and I got in the door right when Steve Marciello was my dad's when Steve Marciello was my dad's when Steve Marciello was my dad's driver. Uh Al Tory, who was a chief of driver. Uh Al Tory, who was a chief of driver. Uh Al Tory, who was a chief of safety. I just remember them telling my safety. I just remember them telling my safety. I just remember them telling my mom that he's gone. And she said, "Gone mom that he's gone. And she said, "Gone mom that he's gone. And she said, "Gone where?" Like that like an innocently.

where?" Like that like an innocently. where?" Like that like an innocently. And they're like, "He's dead." And I And they're like, "He's dead." And I And they're like, "He's dead." And I remember the scream that she that she remember the scream that she that she remember the scream that she that she let out. It's I could still hear it in let out. It's I could still hear it in let out. It's I could still hear it in my ears and it pains me to hear it. The my ears and it pains me to hear it. The my ears and it pains me to hear it. The pain uh of a realization that that he's pain uh of a realization that that he's pain uh of a realization that that he's never walking back in the door. never walking back in the door. never walking back in the door. >> Pete, what kind of man was he? >> Pete, what kind of man was he? >> Pete, what kind of man was he? >> He loved being around family, but his >> He loved being around family, but his >> He loved being around family, but his family was also the fire department. Uh family was also the fire department. Uh family was also the fire department. Uh we knew it. Uh my mom knew it sometimes we knew it. Uh my mom knew it sometimes we knew it. Uh my mom knew it sometimes to his dismay, but she uh you know we we to his dismay, but she uh you know we we to his dismay, but she uh you know we we understood the type of person that he understood the type of person that he understood the type of person that he was and and why he chose you know our was and and why he chose you know our was and and why he chose you know our chosen career. chosen career. chosen career. >> Chris, you were in business and on your >> Chris, you were in business and on your >> Chris, you were in business and on your way to an MBA. Did 911 make you a way to an MBA. Did 911 make you a way to an MBA. Did 911 make you a fireman? fireman? fireman? >> Absolutely. Had 911 not happened, I >> Absolutely. Had 911 not happened, I >> Absolutely. Had 911 not happened, I would not have been a New York City would not have been a New York City would not have been a New York City firefighter. You've quoted your dad as firefighter. You've quoted your dad as firefighter. You've quoted your dad as telling new graduates from the fire telling new graduates from the fire telling new graduates from the fire academy, you will never ever be rich, academy, you will never ever be rich, academy, you will never ever be rich, but you will always be happy. but you will always be happy. but you will always be happy. >> You'll always be happy. That's hard to >> You'll always be happy. That's hard to >> You'll always be happy. That's hard to explain to people how like you can get explain to people how like you can get explain to people how like you can get injured or you could get killed, but yet injured or you could get killed, but yet injured or you could get killed, but yet somehow you come home with a smile on somehow you come home with a smile on somehow you come home with a smile on your face. Like I enjoy being part of your face. Like I enjoy being part of your face. Like I enjoy being part of the organization. It makes me gives me a the organization. It makes me gives me a the organization. It makes me gives me a sense of pride that I never felt sense of pride that I never felt sense of pride that I never felt anywhere else. And and and maybe that's anywhere else. And and and maybe that's anywhere else. And and and maybe that's what had driven my father for for so what had driven my father for for so what had driven my father for for so many years.

many years. many years. My name is Josephine Smith and I work in My name is Josephine Smith and I work in My name is Josephine Smith and I work in engine 39. engine 39. engine 39. >> Josephine Smith's late father, >> Josephine Smith's late father, >> Josephine Smith's late father, 47year-old Kevin Smith, was with Hazmat 47year-old Kevin Smith, was with Hazmat 47year-old Kevin Smith, was with Hazmat 1 on 911. 1 on 911. 1 on 911. >> I always wanted to be like my father. >> I always wanted to be like my father. >> I always wanted to be like my father. You know, I always wanted to be brave You know, I always wanted to be brave You know, I always wanted to be brave like him and strong and and willing. It like him and strong and and willing. It like him and strong and and willing. It really just runs through our blood really just runs through our blood really just runs through our blood generation to generation. I just think generation to generation. I just think generation to generation. I just think it's just who we are. It's our passion. it's just who we are. It's our passion. it's just who we are. It's our passion. It's our upbringing. It's our upbringing. It's our upbringing. >> Somebody else might have thought >> Somebody else might have thought >> Somebody else might have thought with such grievous loss, with such grievous loss, with such grievous loss, I don't want to have anything to do with I don't want to have anything to do with I don't want to have anything to do with that. that. that. >> It's not the job that took my father. It >> It's not the job that took my father. It >> It's not the job that took my father. It was an act of terrorism that took my was an act of terrorism that took my was an act of terrorism that took my father. And father. And father. And that made me want to fight even more to that made me want to fight even more to that made me want to fight even more to protect the city of New York and the protect the city of New York and the protect the city of New York and the citizens. You may have taken my father citizens. You may have taken my father citizens. You may have taken my father from me, but the passion in the blood is from me, but the passion in the blood is from me, but the passion in the blood is still there.

still there. still there. >> I'm John Palumbo. I work in 92 Engine in >> I'm John Palumbo. I work in 92 Engine in >> I'm John Palumbo. I work in 92 Engine in the South Bronx. the South Bronx. the South Bronx. >> I'm Tommy Palumbo. I work in 69 Engine >> I'm Tommy Palumbo. I work in 69 Engine >> I'm Tommy Palumbo. I work in 69 Engine in Harlem. in Harlem. in Harlem. >> John, how old were you on 911? >> John, how old were you on 911? >> John, how old were you on 911? >> I was a week away from being 8 years old >> I was a week away from being 8 years old >> I was a week away from being 8 years old and I was nine. and I was nine. and I was nine. >> How many kids in the Palumbo family? >> How many kids in the Palumbo family? >> How many kids in the Palumbo family? >> There's 10 of us, eight boys and two >> There's 10 of us, eight boys and two >> There's 10 of us, eight boys and two girls. The Palumbo brother's dad, Frank girls. The Palumbo brother's dad, Frank girls. The Palumbo brother's dad, Frank Palumbo, was 46 when he died. Ladder Palumbo, was 46 when he died. Ladder Palumbo, was 46 when he died. Ladder 105. 105. 105. In a sense, it wasn't 9/11 that made the In a sense, it wasn't 9/11 that made the In a sense, it wasn't 9/11 that made the Palumbo boys firefighters. Palumbo boys firefighters. Palumbo boys firefighters. It was September the 12th and all the It was September the 12th and all the It was September the 12th and all the days that followed. days that followed. days that followed. >> My dad's brothers and sisters in the >> My dad's brothers and sisters in the >> My dad's brothers and sisters in the fire house, they cooked for us. They fire house, they cooked for us. They fire house, they cooked for us. They drove us places. They took us to Six drove us places. They took us to Six drove us places. They took us to Six Flags. I remember going on their Flags. I remember going on their Flags. I remember going on their shoulders and, you know, they'd take us shoulders and, you know, they'd take us shoulders and, you know, they'd take us by the arms and spin us in circles. by the arms and spin us in circles. by the arms and spin us in circles. >> The firehouse turned out for birthdays >> The firehouse turned out for birthdays >> The firehouse turned out for birthdays and games. and games. and games. >> The stands were filled at the hockey >> The stands were filled at the hockey >> The stands were filled at the hockey games. You know, it it it wasn't the games. You know, it it it wasn't the games. You know, it it it wasn't the same cuz you're missing the one person same cuz you're missing the one person same cuz you're missing the one person that you want there.

But they do everything they can to fill But they do everything they can to fill it. You know, they never will, but it. You know, they never will, but it. You know, they never will, but they did everything they could to fill they did everything they could to fill they did everything they could to fill it. As hard as it was for them, taking it. As hard as it was for them, taking it. As hard as it was for them, taking time away from their own families, time away from their own families, time away from their own families, >> the firehouse cooked dinner for the 10 >> the firehouse cooked dinner for the 10 >> the firehouse cooked dinner for the 10 Palumbos and their mother every Monday Palumbos and their mother every Monday Palumbos and their mother every Monday for 5 years until the family moved away. for 5 years until the family moved away. for 5 years until the family moved away. >> I'm a firefighter in engine 214 ladder >> I'm a firefighter in engine 214 ladder >> I'm a firefighter in engine 214 ladder 111 in Bedstey, Brooklyn. My name is 111 in Bedstey, Brooklyn. My name is 111 in Bedstey, Brooklyn. My name is Michael Florio. Michael Florio. Michael Florio. >> Mike Florio's dad, John Florio, was 33 >> Mike Florio's dad, John Florio, was 33 >> Mike Florio's dad, John Florio, was 33 years old on 911. Engine 214, the same years old on 911. Engine 214, the same years old on 911. Engine 214, the same house where his son works today. house where his son works today. house where his son works today. >> Every day I walk in, my father's >> Every day I walk in, my father's >> Every day I walk in, my father's pictures on the walls. There's a lot of pictures on the walls. There's a lot of pictures on the walls. There's a lot of memorials of him and the other four guys memorials of him and the other four guys memorials of him and the other four guys that passed on 911. I do have a lot of that passed on 911. I do have a lot of that passed on 911. I do have a lot of memories from the firehouse being a memories from the firehouse being a memories from the firehouse being a young boy. And just walking in there young boy. And just walking in there young boy. And just walking in there every day and seeing his pictures, it every day and seeing his pictures, it every day and seeing his pictures, it brings back those memories. It makes me brings back those memories. It makes me brings back those memories. It makes me feel closer to him being there every feel closer to him being there every feel closer to him being there every day.

More than 60 children of 9/11's fallen More than 60 children of 9/11's fallen have been through the training academy have been through the training academy have been through the training academy on Randall's Island in the East River on Randall's Island in the East River on Randall's Island in the East River and are now on the job. To join, they and are now on the job. To join, they and are now on the job. To join, they took a written exam that's given only took a written exam that's given only took a written exam that's given only once every four years. About 60,000 once every four years. About 60,000 once every four years. About 60,000 applicants take it and only those in the applicants take it and only those in the applicants take it and only those in the top 10% earn a place in the rank and top 10% earn a place in the rank and top 10% earn a place in the rank and file. file. file. >> I I'm very proud of them. I feel that >> I I'm very proud of them. I feel that >> I I'm very proud of them. I feel that their their fathers would have been very their their fathers would have been very their their fathers would have been very proud of them. proud of them. proud of them. >> Dan Nigro, Chief Gansy's number two on >> Dan Nigro, Chief Gansy's number two on >> Dan Nigro, Chief Gansy's number two on 911, was promoted to chief of department 911, was promoted to chief of department 911, was promoted to chief of department and became the city fire commissioner. and became the city fire commissioner. and became the city fire commissioner. Among the others in our story, John Among the others in our story, John Among the others in our story, John Sudnik, a captain on 911, rose to chief Sudnik, a captain on 911, rose to chief Sudnik, a captain on 911, rose to chief of department, and so did Peter Hayden. of department, and so did Peter Hayden. of department, and so did Peter Hayden. Salasano became fire commissioner. Salasano became fire commissioner. Salasano became fire commissioner. Battalion Chief Joe Feifer became chief Battalion Chief Joe Feifer became chief Battalion Chief Joe Feifer became chief of counterterrorism and now teaches of counterterrorism and now teaches of counterterrorism and now teaches crisis leadership. crisis leadership. crisis leadership. Regina Wilson was studying for the Regina Wilson was studying for the Regina Wilson was studying for the lieutenants exam.

lieutenants exam. lieutenants exam. And Oreo Palmer's name lives on the FDNY And Oreo Palmer's name lives on the FDNY And Oreo Palmer's name lives on the FDNY award for the most physically fit award for the most physically fit award for the most physically fit firefighters. A lot of bravery. A lot of bravery was A lot of bravery. A lot of bravery was displayed that day. Um displayed that day. Um displayed that day. Um and uh followed by a lot of sadness. and uh followed by a lot of sadness. and uh followed by a lot of sadness. >> Commissioner, it seems to be a sad day >> Commissioner, it seems to be a sad day >> Commissioner, it seems to be a sad day for you 20 years later. for you 20 years later. for you 20 years later. >> I think for everybody that was there >> I think for everybody that was there >> I think for everybody that was there that day, it it has just stayed with that day, it it has just stayed with that day, it it has just stayed with them. The sadness you have we have them. The sadness you have we have them. The sadness you have we have plenty of good days, plenty to be plenty of good days, plenty to be plenty of good days, plenty to be thankful for, those of us who survived, thankful for, those of us who survived, thankful for, those of us who survived, but uh but uh but uh it's a it's a day that it'll never leave it's a it's a day that it'll never leave it's a it's a day that it'll never leave never leave you. never leave you. never leave you. >> Sadness becomes part of your life. >> Sadness becomes part of your life. >> Sadness becomes part of your life. >> Absolutely. Your father survived the collapse of the Your father survived the collapse of the first tower and instead of moving to first tower and instead of moving to first tower and instead of moving to safety, safety, safety, he went to answer the mayday calls from he went to answer the mayday calls from he went to answer the mayday calls from his trapped firefighters. his trapped firefighters. his trapped firefighters. >> Receiving reports of firefighters >> Receiving reports of firefighters >> Receiving reports of firefighters trapped him down.

trapped him down. trapped him down. >> He knew that the other building was in >> He knew that the other building was in >> He knew that the other building was in imminent danger of collapsing. imminent danger of collapsing. imminent danger of collapsing. He had decided in that moment that he He had decided in that moment that he He had decided in that moment that he was not going home. was not going home. was not going home. >> Yeah. I mean, he he chose his guys. And >> Yeah. I mean, he he chose his guys. And >> Yeah. I mean, he he chose his guys. And you know, we we could get angry about you know, we we could get angry about you know, we we could get angry about it. And I know my sister and my mother it. And I know my sister and my mother it. And I know my sister and my mother sometimes we hit our head against the sometimes we hit our head against the sometimes we hit our head against the wall, but when when the smoke clears and wall, but when when the smoke clears and wall, but when when the smoke clears and and you think about it, it was the only and you think about it, it was the only and you think about it, it was the only decision. I I knew the way he felt about decision. I I knew the way he felt about decision. I I knew the way he felt about his men and his job and the FDNY and he his men and his job and the FDNY and he his men and his job and the FDNY and he was going to stay and see the job was going to stay and see the job was going to stay and see the job through. and through. and through. and >> he he wouldn't have been able to live >> he he wouldn't have been able to live >> he he wouldn't have been able to live with himself if he if he if he left and with himself if he if he if he left and with himself if he if he if he left and you know one more guy was killed. It's you know one more guy was killed. It's you know one more guy was killed. It's it's just the way he was. It was I have it's just the way he was. It was I have it's just the way he was. It was I have to be there until the last guy is out. to be there until the last guy is out. to be there until the last guy is out. >> Today's recruits were children then. >> Today's recruits were children then. >> Today's recruits were children then. >> Secure your gear. And so they muster >> Secure your gear. And so they muster >> Secure your gear. And so they muster before memories before memories before memories >> three columns of the World Trade Center >> three columns of the World Trade Center >> three columns of the World Trade Center and 343 lives which are here indelible and 343 lives which are here indelible and 343 lives which are here indelible in time.

in time. in time. So many of us sacrifice so much that So many of us sacrifice so much that So many of us sacrifice so much that this story can't get lost cuz the world this story can't get lost cuz the world this story can't get lost cuz the world is changing fast. is changing fast. is changing fast. And I don't want this to be something And I don't want this to be something And I don't want this to be something that's in um a history book that a page that's in um a history book that a page that's in um a history book that a page is turned and we're forgotten. The devastation extends beyond the The devastation extends beyond the rubble of the World Trade Center. It rubble of the World Trade Center. It rubble of the World Trade Center. It goes to the heart of hundreds of goes to the heart of hundreds of goes to the heart of hundreds of communities in the suburbs of New York, communities in the suburbs of New York, communities in the suburbs of New York, where families are mourning the loss of where families are mourning the loss of where families are mourning the loss of loved ones who are still missing. Places loved ones who are still missing. Places loved ones who are still missing. Places like Summit, New Jersey. In this town of like Summit, New Jersey. In this town of like Summit, New Jersey. In this town of 21,000 people, about 3,000 of them, 20% 21,000 people, about 3,000 of them, 20% 21,000 people, about 3,000 of them, 20% of the adult population, worked as bond of the adult population, worked as bond of the adult population, worked as bond traders, investment bankers, stock traders, investment bankers, stock traders, investment bankers, stock brokers, and clerks in the Twin Towers brokers, and clerks in the Twin Towers brokers, and clerks in the Twin Towers and surrounding buildings. Town leaders and surrounding buildings. Town leaders and surrounding buildings. Town leaders say as many as 50 of them may be say as many as 50 of them may be say as many as 50 of them may be unaccounted for.

unaccounted for. unaccounted for. There are few towns in America as There are few towns in America as There are few towns in America as comfortable and seemingly sheltered as comfortable and seemingly sheltered as comfortable and seemingly sheltered as Summit, New Jersey. A community where Summit, New Jersey. A community where Summit, New Jersey. A community where everyone knows his or her neighbors. One everyone knows his or her neighbors. One everyone knows his or her neighbors. One reason people live here is because the reason people live here is because the reason people live here is because the ride to work is so easy. ride to work is so easy. ride to work is so easy. 35 minutes by train to the World Trade 35 minutes by train to the World Trade 35 minutes by train to the World Trade Center. Just outside the Summit train station, Just outside the Summit train station, officials are keeping close watch of the officials are keeping close watch of the officials are keeping close watch of the parking lots where some commuters who parking lots where some commuters who parking lots where some commuters who left on Tuesday morning have yet to pick left on Tuesday morning have yet to pick left on Tuesday morning have yet to pick up their cars. A grim sign that they may up their cars. A grim sign that they may up their cars. A grim sign that they may never return. The other night, across from the train The other night, across from the train station, about 3,000 residents filled station, about 3,000 residents filled station, about 3,000 residents filled the village green at a candlelight the village green at a candlelight the village green at a candlelight prayer service, trying to comprehend the prayer service, trying to comprehend the prayer service, trying to comprehend the incomprehensible. I'd like to read as we begin from Psalm I'd like to read as we begin from Psalm 13. How long will this pain go on, Lord? 13. How long will this pain go on, Lord? 13. How long will this pain go on, Lord? This grief I can hardly bear.

This grief I can hardly bear. This grief I can hardly bear. >> Richard Rosen came with his wife and two >> Richard Rosen came with his wife and two >> Richard Rosen came with his wife and two children. children. children. >> In this community, they've snuffed out >> In this community, they've snuffed out >> In this community, they've snuffed out the lives of people who, the lives of people who, the lives of people who, you know, coached their kids soccer, who you know, coached their kids soccer, who you know, coached their kids soccer, who walked their kids to school, went out to walked their kids to school, went out to walked their kids to school, went out to have a beer with their friends, and it have a beer with their friends, and it have a beer with their friends, and it just really gets right to the heart of just really gets right to the heart of just really gets right to the heart of this community. And that's, you know, this community. And that's, you know, this community. And that's, you know, it's just such a loss. it's just such a loss. it's just such a loss. >> Of the many parents who work in the >> Of the many parents who work in the >> Of the many parents who work in the financial district, one of them is financial district, one of them is financial district, one of them is Michael Mahern. Michael Mahern. Michael Mahern. >> And it could have been me. I used to >> And it could have been me. I used to >> And it could have been me. I used to work in the World Trade Center. It could work in the World Trade Center. It could work in the World Trade Center. It could have been me. It could very well be my have been me. It could very well be my have been me. It could very well be my children crying and my children being children crying and my children being children crying and my children being brought food and my children being brought food and my children being brought food and my children being worried about and being prayed over. worried about and being prayed over. worried about and being prayed over. And Graeski's seven-year-old son gave no And Graeski's seven-year-old son gave no And Graeski's seven-year-old son gave no clue that he was aware of the attack clue that he was aware of the attack clue that he was aware of the attack until he drew this picture that night of until he drew this picture that night of until he drew this picture that night of a plane crashing into the World Trade a plane crashing into the World Trade a plane crashing into the World Trade Center. Center. Center. >> It makes me sad to think that he's >> It makes me sad to think that he's >> It makes me sad to think that he's having to deal when I don't think he's having to deal when I don't think he's having to deal when I don't think he's dealing with it. He he is having to deal dealing with it. He he is having to deal dealing with it. He he is having to deal with it in his own little way. with it in his own little way. with it in his own little way. >> I'm not sure just how to help him with >> I'm not sure just how to help him with >> I'm not sure just how to help him with that.

that. that. >> Here our tearful prayers for the lost >> Here our tearful prayers for the lost >> Here our tearful prayers for the lost and injured. During the service, as the and injured. During the service, as the and injured. During the service, as the minister called out the names of dozens minister called out the names of dozens minister called out the names of dozens of people who are still missing of people who are still missing of people who are still missing >> for David Brady, Edward Calderon, for >> for David Brady, Edward Calderon, for >> for David Brady, Edward Calderon, for Jim Connors, Jim Connors, Jim Connors, >> the magnitude of this disaster on this >> the magnitude of this disaster on this >> the magnitude of this disaster on this small town hit home, small town hit home, small town hit home, >> for Tom Glazer, >> for Tom Glazer, >> for Tom Glazer, for Bob Lawrence, for Bob Lawrence, for Bob Lawrence, for Todd Ranki. Todd Ranki, a father of for Todd Ranki. Todd Ranki, a father of for Todd Ranki. Todd Ranki, a father of three young children, worked as a bond three young children, worked as a bond three young children, worked as a bond salesman at Sandler O'Neal in the World salesman at Sandler O'Neal in the World salesman at Sandler O'Neal in the World Trade Center tower number two on the Trade Center tower number two on the Trade Center tower number two on the 104th floor. 104th floor. 104th floor. >> He calls every morning when he's at >> He calls every morning when he's at >> He calls every morning when he's at work. work. work. >> He was on the phone with his wife Debbie >> He was on the phone with his wife Debbie >> He was on the phone with his wife Debbie when the first plane hit. when the first plane hit. when the first plane hit. >> It was a little before 9 >> It was a little before 9 >> It was a little before 9 and uh he called and said, "Good and uh he called and said, "Good and uh he called and said, "Good morning. How are the kids? How are you?" morning. How are the kids? How are you?" morning. How are the kids? How are you?" And he said, "Oh my god, we've been hit.

And he said, "Oh my god, we've been hit. And he said, "Oh my god, we've been hit. Something is the matter. Something Something is the matter. Something Something is the matter. Something happened." Boy, that was loud. happened." Boy, that was loud. happened." Boy, that was loud. >> And I said, "Todd, get out of there." I >> And I said, "Todd, get out of there." I >> And I said, "Todd, get out of there." I I see fire and it looks like it's very I see fire and it looks like it's very I see fire and it looks like it's very close to your building. Get out. close to your building. Get out. close to your building. Get out. >> So, you were watching this on on >> So, you were watching this on on >> So, you were watching this on on television? television? television? >> I had just come on TV. I had the news >> I had just come on TV. I had the news >> I had just come on TV. I had the news on. I'm I always listen to the news, on. I'm I always listen to the news, on. I'm I always listen to the news, always. always. always. and it just popped up and I said, and it just popped up and I said, and it just popped up and I said, "Listen to me. You got to get out of "Listen to me. You got to get out of "Listen to me. You got to get out of there." there." there." And then I can't remember what happened And then I can't remember what happened And then I can't remember what happened next. next. next. >> Soon after that phone call, the second >> Soon after that phone call, the second >> Soon after that phone call, the second plane smashed into tower number two. Two plane smashed into tower number two. Two plane smashed into tower number two. Two of Todd Rankkey's co-workers at Sandler of Todd Rankkey's co-workers at Sandler of Todd Rankkey's co-workers at Sandler O'Neal were killed. 20 managed to O'Neal were killed. 20 managed to O'Neal were killed. 20 managed to escape. 66 are still missing. escape. 66 are still missing. escape. 66 are still missing. >> At this point, you still have hope. You >> At this point, you still have hope. You >> At this point, you still have hope. You haven't given up. haven't given up. haven't given up. >> Oh, no. >> Oh, no. >> Oh, no. The reason I'm doing this interview is The reason I'm doing this interview is The reason I'm doing this interview is because I think he's out there and he because I think he's out there and he because I think he's out there and he can't tell me where he is. can't tell me where he is. can't tell me where he is. >> Debbie came to us because one of her >> Debbie came to us because one of her >> Debbie came to us because one of her neighbors and friends in Summit is neighbors and friends in Summit is neighbors and friends in Summit is Michael Redudsky, a producer here at 60 Michael Redudsky, a producer here at 60 Michael Redudsky, a producer here at 60 Minutes. She asked his help in finding Minutes. She asked his help in finding Minutes. She asked his help in finding her husband. So on Wednesday morning, we her husband. So on Wednesday morning, we her husband. So on Wednesday morning, we set out with Debbie and the family, a set out with Debbie and the family, a set out with Debbie and the family, a dozen people in all. Over the next two dozen people in all. Over the next two dozen people in all. Over the next two days, they searched all across the city.

days, they searched all across the city. days, they searched all across the city. Now, we just want to know when they will Now, we just want to know when they will Now, we just want to know when they will start identifying un unidentified start identifying un unidentified start identifying un unidentified people. people. people. >> Todd's three sisters are the leaders of >> Todd's three sisters are the leaders of >> Todd's three sisters are the leaders of the search party. the search party. the search party. >> We have to be there for Todd. And as >> We have to be there for Todd. And as >> We have to be there for Todd. And as Debbie said, the first night she said, Debbie said, the first night she said, Debbie said, the first night she said, "I know Todd would be looking for me. "I know Todd would be looking for me. "I know Todd would be looking for me. >> We got to walk. >> We got to walk. >> We got to walk. >> You can't sit at home. You got to go >> You can't sit at home. You got to go >> You can't sit at home. You got to go keep searching and walking the streets keep searching and walking the streets keep searching and walking the streets and learning what they're doing in the and learning what they're doing in the and learning what they're doing in the city." city." city." >> I think we should just while we're here, >> I think we should just while we're here, >> I think we should just while we're here, cover that so we know we did. We know we cover that so we know we did. We know we cover that so we know we did. We know we did it. The men in the family say they did it. The men in the family say they did it. The men in the family say they know the women won't give up. know the women won't give up. know the women won't give up. >> They definitely have a mindset, you >> They definitely have a mindset, you >> They definitely have a mindset, you know, tunnel vision on finding Todd know, tunnel vision on finding Todd know, tunnel vision on finding Todd Ranky. Ranky. Ranky. >> Nothing's going to take him off that >> Nothing's going to take him off that >> Nothing's going to take him off that course course course >> until they're exhausted and they're >> until they're exhausted and they're >> until they're exhausted and they're going to collapse. They're going to going to collapse. They're going to going to collapse. They're going to basically say they gave it their best basically say they gave it their best basically say they gave it their best shot. shot. shot. >> With thousands of people missing, how do >> With thousands of people missing, how do >> With thousands of people missing, how do they find one man? The morning after the they find one man? The morning after the they find one man? The morning after the disaster, there was no one list of all disaster, there was no one list of all disaster, there was no one list of all the dead, injured, and missing. So, they the dead, injured, and missing. So, they the dead, injured, and missing. So, they started going to hospitals. NYU Beth started going to hospitals. NYU Beth started going to hospitals. NYU Beth Israel Cababrini no Todd ranking Israel Cababrini no Todd ranking Israel Cababrini no Todd ranking >> must be hard to look at those lists >> must be hard to look at those lists >> must be hard to look at those lists >> it is >> it is >> it is >> but they had to keep looking >> but they had to keep looking >> but they had to keep looking >> and then we're looking for other people >> and then we're looking for other people >> and then we're looking for other people who Todd worked with if it was somebody who Todd worked with if it was somebody who Todd worked with if it was somebody else he worked with maybe if they're in else he worked with maybe if they're in else he worked with maybe if they're in a hospital maybe Todd's there and just a hospital maybe Todd's there and just a hospital maybe Todd's there and just unidentified that's what you were unidentified that's what you were unidentified that's what you were looking we were looking for other lists looking we were looking for other lists looking we were looking for other lists we just wanted to find somebody in his we just wanted to find somebody in his we just wanted to find somebody in his group to think that if he got out then group to think that if he got out then group to think that if he got out then maybe Todd got out maybe Todd got out maybe Todd got out >> the injured were taken to 30 hospitals >> the injured were taken to 30 hospitals >> the injured were taken to 30 hospitals in the New York area. By the time they

in the New York area. By the time they in the New York area. By the time they got to Saint Vincent's Hospital late got to Saint Vincent's Hospital late got to Saint Vincent's Hospital late that afternoon, they finally found the that afternoon, they finally found the that afternoon, they finally found the master list with names of all the master list with names of all the master list with names of all the injured. injured. injured. >> So far, we don't have the name on the >> So far, we don't have the name on the >> So far, we don't have the name on the list. Every hour we update the list, list. Every hour we update the list, list. Every hour we update the list, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> Have you gotten any um names in the last >> Have you gotten any um names in the last >> Have you gotten any um names in the last 4 hours? 4 hours? 4 hours? >> Um they have, but as I said, we don't >> Um they have, but as I said, we don't >> Um they have, but as I said, we don't happen to have that particular name. happen to have that particular name. happen to have that particular name. That meant that so far Todd Ranky had That meant that so far Todd Ranky had That meant that so far Todd Ranky had not been found alive. It was too much not been found alive. It was too much not been found alive. It was too much for Debbie to bear. for Debbie to bear. for Debbie to bear. >> I think by the end of the day, Debbie >> I think by the end of the day, Debbie >> I think by the end of the day, Debbie >> was tired. We hadn't eaten or had >> was tired. We hadn't eaten or had >> was tired. We hadn't eaten or had anything, you know, you just keep anything, you know, you just keep anything, you know, you just keep walking and then when you keep going and walking and then when you keep going and walking and then when you keep going and seeing the list and his name did not seeing the list and his name did not seeing the list and his name did not appear, I think appear, I think appear, I think >> she fell apart and um >> she fell apart and um >> she fell apart and um >> so we went home to regroup. What what's >> so we went home to regroup. What what's >> so we went home to regroup. What what's been the toughest thing for you in all been the toughest thing for you in all been the toughest thing for you in all of this? of this? of this? >> Looking at my brother's children, >> Looking at my brother's children, >> Looking at my brother's children, >> seeing his sevenyear-old son >> seeing his sevenyear-old son >> seeing his sevenyear-old son >> and he's a nine and 11 year old >> and he's a nine and 11 year old >> and he's a nine and 11 year old daughters. daughters. daughters. >> Well, we walk in every night, they greet >> Well, we walk in every night, they greet >> Well, we walk in every night, they greet us and they come home with my parents us and they come home with my parents us and they come home with my parents and the first thing they want to know is and the first thing they want to know is and the first thing they want to know is did you find them? And we said did you find them? And we said did you find them? And we said >> we said no. But I think what our >> we said no. But I think what our >> we said no. But I think what our children are seeing we said we're going children are seeing we said we're going children are seeing we said we're going back tomorrow. We are going back to find back tomorrow. We are going back to find back tomorrow. We are going back to find them. While the women took Debbie home, them. While the women took Debbie home, them. While the women took Debbie home, the men continued the search. Their the men continued the search. Their the men continued the search. Their first stop, Chelsea Piers, a sports first stop, Chelsea Piers, a sports first stop, Chelsea Piers, a sports complex. They'd been told the ice rank complex. They'd been told the ice rank complex. They'd been told the ice rank was being used as a temporary morg. They

was being used as a temporary morg. They was being used as a temporary morg. They didn't find Todd's body. didn't find Todd's body. didn't find Todd's body. >> We're looking for the needle in the hay >> We're looking for the needle in the hay >> We're looking for the needle in the hay stack. My head tells me I'm not going to stack. My head tells me I'm not going to stack. My head tells me I'm not going to find the needle, but my heart's telling find the needle, but my heart's telling find the needle, but my heart's telling me to keep digging in the hay. Is that me to keep digging in the hay. Is that me to keep digging in the hay. Is that frustrating? Yeah, that's a definition frustrating? Yeah, that's a definition frustrating? Yeah, that's a definition of frustration. Early Thursday morning, the Ranky family Early Thursday morning, the Ranky family drove back into New York City. By now, drove back into New York City. By now, drove back into New York City. By now, the death toll stood at 94 and hope was the death toll stood at 94 and hope was the death toll stood at 94 and hope was fading for the more than 4,000 people fading for the more than 4,000 people fading for the more than 4,000 people still listed as missing. still listed as missing. still listed as missing. Along with thousands of others, the Along with thousands of others, the Along with thousands of others, the rankings went to the armory where for rankings went to the armory where for rankings went to the armory where for the first time there was a list that the first time there was a list that the first time there was a list that included the dead as well as included the dead as well as included the dead as well as identifiable body parts. That is the identifiable body parts. That is the identifiable body parts. That is the most disgusting thing I've ever done in most disgusting thing I've ever done in most disgusting thing I've ever done in my life is to look for my brother on a my life is to look for my brother on a my life is to look for my brother on a list which list right-hand you know list which list right-hand you know list which list right-hand you know nailbiter um people by their license nailbiter um people by their license nailbiter um people by their license plate number. I mean their driver's plate number. I mean their driver's plate number. I mean their driver's license. I said it's it's like a war. license. I said it's it's like a war. license. I said it's it's like a war. It's like looking at the the the list of It's like looking at the the the list of It's like looking at the the the list of the dead from the war. It is a the dead from the war. It is a the dead from the war. It is a disgusting thing to do. I don't think disgusting thing to do. I don't think disgusting thing to do. I don't think I'll ever be able to look at a list of I'll ever be able to look at a list of I'll ever be able to look at a list of names again without thinking of how many names again without thinking of how many names again without thinking of how many list I've looked for the name Ranky on list I've looked for the name Ranky on list I've looked for the name Ranky on and not seen it.

and not seen it. and not seen it. >> Todd Ranky was not on the list of the >> Todd Ranky was not on the list of the >> Todd Ranky was not on the list of the dead or the list of injured at any dead or the list of injured at any dead or the list of injured at any hospital. hospital. hospital. >> What do you do next? >> What do you do next? >> What do you do next? >> I ask myself that every day. What can we >> I ask myself that every day. What can we >> I ask myself that every day. What can we do next? And and uh we regroup and do next? And and uh we regroup and do next? And and uh we regroup and we keep calling hospitals. We talk to we keep calling hospitals. We talk to we keep calling hospitals. We talk to people who can uh put his picture out people who can uh put his picture out people who can uh put his picture out and and continue to look for him, watch and and continue to look for him, watch and and continue to look for him, watch the news to see if anybody else has been the news to see if anybody else has been the news to see if anybody else has been found. found. found. And uh we come into New York every day And uh we come into New York every day And uh we come into New York every day looking for answers. >> That'll be fine. >> That'll be fine. >> We're a strong group and we're going to >> We're a strong group and we're going to >> We're a strong group and we're going to get through this. get through this. get through this. >> I can see that. in any other way. in any other way. >> I can just whatever you can >> I can just whatever you can >> I can just whatever you can find find find is my whole life.

is my whole life. is my whole life. >> On Friday night back in Summit, New >> On Friday night back in Summit, New >> On Friday night back in Summit, New Jersey, family members and neighbors put Jersey, family members and neighbors put Jersey, family members and neighbors put up a flag pole on the ranky's front up a flag pole on the ranky's front up a flag pole on the ranky's front lawn. lawn. lawn. >> You pull it tight. >> You pull it tight. >> You pull it tight. >> Pull it t >> Pull it t >> Pull it t >> Todd Jr. raised the American flag and >> Todd Jr. raised the American flag and >> Todd Jr. raised the American flag and then the children lowered it to half then the children lowered it to half then the children lowered it to half staff. Even though 125 people were killed in Even though 125 people were killed in the Pentagon September 11th, there was the Pentagon September 11th, there was the Pentagon September 11th, there was still something miraculous about that still something miraculous about that still something miraculous about that day. The 757 obliterated the first and day. The 757 obliterated the first and day. The 757 obliterated the first and part of the second floor, but the third, part of the second floor, but the third, part of the second floor, but the third, fourth, and fifth floors remained, fourth, and fifth floors remained, fourth, and fifth floors remained, suspended in midair for 35 minutes. suspended in midair for 35 minutes. suspended in midair for 35 minutes. Hundreds of people escaped. How is that Hundreds of people escaped. How is that Hundreds of people escaped. How is that possible? The answer lies in a partially possible? The answer lies in a partially possible? The answer lies in a partially classified government study of the classified government study of the classified government study of the terrorist bombings that have come terrorist bombings that have come terrorist bombings that have come before, like Oklahoma City and Cobar before, like Oklahoma City and Cobar before, like Oklahoma City and Cobar Towers. Everything we learned in that Towers. Everything we learned in that Towers. Everything we learned in that project was hidden inside the walls of project was hidden inside the walls of project was hidden inside the walls of the Pentagon itself in anticipation that the Pentagon itself in anticipation that the Pentagon itself in anticipation that one day the building would be bombed.

one day the building would be bombed. one day the building would be bombed. You're about to see how they defended You're about to see how they defended You're about to see how they defended the building. But first, hear from a man the building. But first, hear from a man the building. But first, hear from a man who experienced the miracle of the who experienced the miracle of the who experienced the miracle of the Pentagon. Pentagon. Pentagon. >> 5 minutes before the plane hit, uh, >> 5 minutes before the plane hit, uh, >> 5 minutes before the plane hit, uh, somebody asked somebody said, "Come somebody asked somebody said, "Come somebody asked somebody said, "Come over. You got to see what's going on." over. You got to see what's going on." over. You got to see what's going on." So I walked over and I was looking at So I walked over and I was looking at So I walked over and I was looking at the television and I walked back to my the television and I walked back to my the television and I walked back to my desk and I called my wife. desk and I called my wife. desk and I called my wife. >> John Yates is a civilian security >> John Yates is a civilian security >> John Yates is a civilian security manager in the Pentagon. That day he was manager in the Pentagon. That day he was manager in the Pentagon. That day he was in his office watching the World Trade in his office watching the World Trade in his office watching the World Trade Center on TV. Center on TV. Center on TV. >> And she asked me then to do the rest of >> And she asked me then to do the rest of >> And she asked me then to do the rest of my work for the remainder of the day my work for the remainder of the day my work for the remainder of the day from underneath my desk. So I, you know, from underneath my desk. So I, you know, from underneath my desk. So I, you know, she just said it jokingly and I and I she just said it jokingly and I and I she just said it jokingly and I and I and I joked and I said, "Yeah, okay, and I joked and I said, "Yeah, okay, and I joked and I said, "Yeah, okay, honey. I will." And I walked back over honey. I will." And I walked back over honey. I will." And I walked back over to watch some more of what was going on to watch some more of what was going on to watch some more of what was going on in New York. And I I had just been in New York. And I I had just been in New York. And I I had just been standing there for just a couple of standing there for just a couple of standing there for just a couple of minutes when it the plane hit the minutes when it the plane hit the minutes when it the plane hit the building. >> What happened? >> What happened? >> Um the the sound I I just it was >> Um the the sound I I just it was >> Um the the sound I I just it was deafening. Absolutely deafening. And uh deafening. Absolutely deafening. And uh deafening. Absolutely deafening. And uh I mean I just remembered this bright I mean I just remembered this bright I mean I just remembered this bright ball of fire that just went right over ball of fire that just went right over ball of fire that just went right over my head. started up.

my head. started up. my head. started up. >> That fire burned 35% of his body. The >> That fire burned 35% of his body. The >> That fire burned 35% of his body. The plane hit directly below his office, but plane hit directly below his office, but plane hit directly below his office, but the floor held, giving some, but not the floor held, giving some, but not the floor held, giving some, but not all, a chance to live. all, a chance to live. all, a chance to live. >> There were people standing next to you >> There were people standing next to you >> There were people standing next to you in the room, watching the television, in the room, watching the television, in the room, watching the television, watching what was happening in New York watching what was happening in New York watching what was happening in New York City. City. City. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> What happened to them? >> What happened to them? >> What happened to them? >> They didn't make it. The lady standing to my left The lady standing to my left didn't make it. didn't make it. didn't make it. They were standing right next to you. They were standing right next to you. They were standing right next to you. >> Within an arm's length, yes. >> Within an arm's length, yes. >> Within an arm's length, yes. So, why am I here? I don't know. He's here in part because his floor was He's here in part because his floor was reinforced and held up for half an hour. reinforced and held up for half an hour. reinforced and held up for half an hour. In an astonishing stroke of luck, the In an astonishing stroke of luck, the In an astonishing stroke of luck, the terrorists had hit the only section of terrorists had hit the only section of terrorists had hit the only section of the Pentagon, the only section designed the Pentagon, the only section designed the Pentagon, the only section designed to resist a terrorist attack.

to resist a terrorist attack. to resist a terrorist attack. >> We had made several modifications to the >> We had made several modifications to the >> We had made several modifications to the building as part of that renovation that building as part of that renovation that building as part of that renovation that we think helped save people's lives. we think helped save people's lives. we think helped save people's lives. where the aircraft. where the aircraft. where the aircraft. >> Lee Eevee runs a billiondoll project to >> Lee Eevee runs a billiondoll project to >> Lee Eevee runs a billiondoll project to renovate the Pentagon. They've been renovate the Pentagon. They've been renovate the Pentagon. They've been working on it since 1993. working on it since 1993. working on it since 1993. The first section was 5 days away from The first section was 5 days away from The first section was 5 days away from being finished when the terrorists hit being finished when the terrorists hit being finished when the terrorists hit it with the 757. it with the 757. it with the 757. >> You can start to smell the smoke here in >> You can start to smell the smoke here in >> You can start to smell the smoke here in this part of the building. this part of the building. this part of the building. >> You can smell the smoke. You can see >> You can smell the smoke. You can see >> You can smell the smoke. You can see evidence of smoke damage here and there. evidence of smoke damage here and there. evidence of smoke damage here and there. >> To see how so many escaped, you have to >> To see how so many escaped, you have to >> To see how so many escaped, you have to look inside the walls. The renovation look inside the walls. The renovation look inside the walls. The renovation project built strength into the project built strength into the project built strength into the 60-year-old limestone exterior with a 60-year-old limestone exterior with a 60-year-old limestone exterior with a web of steel beams and columns. web of steel beams and columns. web of steel beams and columns. >> So have these steel tubes again. They >> So have these steel tubes again. They >> So have these steel tubes again. They start on the first floor, go all the way start on the first floor, go all the way start on the first floor, go all the way up to the fifth floor and all the way up to the fifth floor and all the way up to the fifth floor and all the way through from floor to floor. We have through from floor to floor. We have through from floor to floor. We have everything bolted together with everything bolted together with everything bolted together with horizontal steel uh as well as the horizontal steel uh as well as the horizontal steel uh as well as the vertical steel. So, it's all put vertical steel. So, it's all put vertical steel. So, it's all put together in one strong matrix of steel. together in one strong matrix of steel. together in one strong matrix of steel. Supports in cases the windows and Supports in cases the windows and Supports in cases the windows and provides tremendous additional strength provides tremendous additional strength provides tremendous additional strength to the wall.

to the wall. to the wall. >> When the plane hit at 350 mph, the >> When the plane hit at 350 mph, the >> When the plane hit at 350 mph, the limestone outside shattered, but inside limestone outside shattered, but inside limestone outside shattered, but inside those shards of stone were caught by a those shards of stone were caught by a those shards of stone were caught by a shield of cloth that lines the entire shield of cloth that lines the entire shield of cloth that lines the entire section of the building. section of the building. section of the building. >> This is a ballistic type cloth. It it >> This is a ballistic type cloth. It it >> This is a ballistic type cloth. It it helps prevent that masonry from perhaps helps prevent that masonry from perhaps helps prevent that masonry from perhaps fragmenting and and blowing through an fragmenting and and blowing through an fragmenting and and blowing through an area where there are people. area where there are people. area where there are people. >> It's essentially a bullet resistant vest >> It's essentially a bullet resistant vest >> It's essentially a bullet resistant vest for the building. for the building. for the building. >> That's in fact what they u make bullet >> That's in fact what they u make bullet >> That's in fact what they u make bullet resistant vests out of is the same type resistant vests out of is the same type resistant vests out of is the same type of material. of material. of material. >> All of this, especially the steel held >> All of this, especially the steel held >> All of this, especially the steel held up the third, fourth, and fifth floors. up the third, fourth, and fifth floors. up the third, fourth, and fifth floors. They stayed for 35 minutes. You can see They stayed for 35 minutes. You can see They stayed for 35 minutes. You can see them through the smoke suspended over them through the smoke suspended over them through the smoke suspended over the hole gouged by the jet. Only after the hole gouged by the jet. Only after the hole gouged by the jet. Only after the evacuation did the heat melt the new the evacuation did the heat melt the new the evacuation did the heat melt the new steel away. >> If that area had not been renovated, >> If that area had not been renovated, that wall would have lasted how long? that wall would have lasted how long? that wall would have lasted how long? >> Looking at the number of columns and >> Looking at the number of columns and >> Looking at the number of columns and support structures that were otherwise support structures that were otherwise support structures that were otherwise completely destroyed, it might have completely destroyed, it might have completely destroyed, it might have collapsed immediately.

collapsed immediately. collapsed immediately. >> I basically said a silent prayer to >> I basically said a silent prayer to >> I basically said a silent prayer to myself uh for the victims and then in myself uh for the victims and then in myself uh for the victims and then in thanks that it hit where it hit. thanks that it hit where it hit. thanks that it hit where it hit. Lieutenant General Bob Flowers commands Lieutenant General Bob Flowers commands Lieutenant General Bob Flowers commands the Army Corps of Engineers. The core the Army Corps of Engineers. The core the Army Corps of Engineers. The core helped design the Pentagon's new helped design the Pentagon's new helped design the Pentagon's new protection. The engineers studied past protection. The engineers studied past protection. The engineers studied past attacks, including the 1983 Marine attacks, including the 1983 Marine attacks, including the 1983 Marine barracks bombing in Lebanon, Oklahoma barracks bombing in Lebanon, Oklahoma barracks bombing in Lebanon, Oklahoma City in 1995, City in 1995, City in 1995, the US embassies in East Africa, and the the US embassies in East Africa, and the the US embassies in East Africa, and the Cobar Towers barracks in Saudi Arabia. Cobar Towers barracks in Saudi Arabia. Cobar Towers barracks in Saudi Arabia. At Cobbar Towers, for example, most of At Cobbar Towers, for example, most of At Cobbar Towers, for example, most of the uh damage and casualties at Cobar the uh damage and casualties at Cobar the uh damage and casualties at Cobar were caused by flying debris from the were caused by flying debris from the were caused by flying debris from the structure and from the glass, etc. And structure and from the glass, etc. And structure and from the glass, etc. And so based on that, we worked to design so based on that, we worked to design so based on that, we worked to design things to prevent flying debris and things to prevent flying debris and things to prevent flying debris and flying glass. At Oklahoma City, the bulk flying glass. At Oklahoma City, the bulk flying glass. At Oklahoma City, the bulk of the casualties were caused by the of the casualties were caused by the of the casualties were caused by the collapsing structure. So, one of the collapsing structure. So, one of the collapsing structure. So, one of the things we studied was how to put things we studied was how to put things we studied was how to put redundant capability in a structure to redundant capability in a structure to redundant capability in a structure to prevent it from collapsing uh if it was prevent it from collapsing uh if it was prevent it from collapsing uh if it was attacked. And so, by applying the attacked. And so, by applying the attacked. And so, by applying the lessons that you learn from doing those lessons that you learn from doing those lessons that you learn from doing those studies, you can better protect studies, you can better protect studies, you can better protect structures in the future. Tough way to structures in the future. Tough way to structures in the future. Tough way to learn a lesson. Absolutely.

learn a lesson. Absolutely. learn a lesson. Absolutely. >> But there is an easier way. >> But there is an easier way. >> But there is an easier way. The core of engineers is making a The core of engineers is making a The core of engineers is making a science of terror, setting off its own science of terror, setting off its own science of terror, setting off its own bombs. This is the first time the public bombs. This is the first time the public bombs. This is the first time the public has been allowed to see the core's has been allowed to see the core's has been allowed to see the core's counterterrorism work at its research counterterrorism work at its research counterterrorism work at its research center in Mississippi. center in Mississippi. center in Mississippi. >> Reed Moer is the technical director for >> Reed Moer is the technical director for >> Reed Moer is the technical director for survivability. survivability. survivability. >> You've developed a team of specialists >> You've developed a team of specialists >> You've developed a team of specialists that goes to these terrorist strikes as that goes to these terrorist strikes as that goes to these terrorist strikes as soon as they happen. Uh we try to get soon as they happen. Uh we try to get soon as they happen. Uh we try to get there as soon as we can to uh so we can there as soon as we can to uh so we can there as soon as we can to uh so we can get the most information of what get the most information of what get the most information of what occurred before they start doing uh occurred before they start doing uh occurred before they start doing uh moving things uh repair work or even uh moving things uh repair work or even uh moving things uh repair work or even uh part of the removal for search. We'd part of the removal for search. We'd part of the removal for search. We'd like to get there as soon as possible. like to get there as soon as possible. like to get there as soon as possible. >> What can you make of these buildings >> What can you make of these buildings >> What can you make of these buildings once they've been blown to bits? once they've been blown to bits? once they've been blown to bits? >> We want to find out what performed well, >> We want to find out what performed well, >> We want to find out what performed well, what didn't perform well. Uh try to what didn't perform well. Uh try to what didn't perform well. Uh try to characterize the size of the the bomb, characterize the size of the the bomb, characterize the size of the the bomb, the blast. What did you hit this with? the blast. What did you hit this with? the blast. What did you hit this with? >> Uh, with a small amount of explosives. >> Uh, with a small amount of explosives. >> Uh, with a small amount of explosives. >> Moer also designs his own terrorist >> Moer also designs his own terrorist >> Moer also designs his own terrorist bombings in miniature with exacting bombings in miniature with exacting bombings in miniature with exacting scale models of reinforced concrete scale models of reinforced concrete scale models of reinforced concrete buildings.

buildings. buildings. >> You've modeled this thing right down to >> You've modeled this thing right down to >> You've modeled this thing right down to the finest detail. You've got what we the finest detail. You've got what we the finest detail. You've got what we used to call cinder blocks, these used to call cinder blocks, these used to call cinder blocks, these concrete masonary units, concrete masonary units, concrete masonary units, >> right? They're actually scaled down to a >> right? They're actually scaled down to a >> right? They're actually scaled down to a quarter scale and we use these in the quarter scale and we use these in the quarter scale and we use these in the experiment to uh build the walls inside experiment to uh build the walls inside experiment to uh build the walls inside of it. What? of it. What? of it. What? >> On this day, Moer's team is testing a >> On this day, Moer's team is testing a >> On this day, Moer's team is testing a common interior wall, particle board, common interior wall, particle board, common interior wall, particle board, steel wall studs, and sheetrock. It's steel wall studs, and sheetrock. It's steel wall studs, and sheetrock. It's set in a steel frame with instruments set in a steel frame with instruments set in a steel frame with instruments inside. Right. inside. Right. inside. Right. >> Can we have a look? >> Can we have a look? >> Can we have a look? >> Yeah, sure. >> Yeah, sure. >> Yeah, sure. >> Wow, it's close in here. >> Wow, it's close in here. >> Wow, it's close in here. >> So, this is the other side of the wall >> So, this is the other side of the wall >> So, this is the other side of the wall we were just looking at, we were just looking at, we were just looking at, >> correct? >> correct? >> correct? >> This would be the interior of the >> This would be the interior of the >> This would be the interior of the building, building, building, >> right? >> We're armed, ready to go. Once the area >> We're armed, ready to go. Once the area is all clear, they set off a bomb. Inside, the destruction is captured in Inside, the destruction is captured in slow motion. They've done hundreds of slow motion. They've done hundreds of slow motion. They've done hundreds of these tests to create new kinds of these tests to create new kinds of these tests to create new kinds of building materials. For example, watch building materials. For example, watch building materials. For example, watch what happens to this concrete wall.

Now, look at the same kind of wall after Now, look at the same kind of wall after it's been sprayed with a new plastic it's been sprayed with a new plastic it's been sprayed with a new plastic coating. The core of engineers runs these The core of engineers runs these experiments through its supercomput experiments through its supercomput experiments through its supercomput center, one of the most powerful in the center, one of the most powerful in the center, one of the most powerful in the nation. The computer can test various nation. The computer can test various nation. The computer can test various kinds of bombs against different kinds of bombs against different kinds of bombs against different buildings without breaking any glass. buildings without breaking any glass. buildings without breaking any glass. >> It's not just a a pretty movie. It's a >> It's not just a a pretty movie. It's a >> It's not just a a pretty movie. It's a actual calculation. actual calculation. actual calculation. >> In a special 3D imaging room, Moer >> In a special 3D imaging room, Moer >> In a special 3D imaging room, Moer showed us how the supercomput recreates showed us how the supercomput recreates showed us how the supercomput recreates the blast wave at Kobar Towers. and predicts the path of every shard of and predicts the path of every shard of glass from a single breaking window. glass from a single breaking window. glass from a single breaking window. >> Just reach up and pick them out. >> Just reach up and pick them out. >> Just reach up and pick them out. >> These studies have helped create a new >> These studies have helped create a new >> These studies have helped create a new generation of window that can stand up generation of window that can stand up generation of window that can stand up to tremendous force. This experiment to tremendous force. This experiment to tremendous force. This experiment shows how those new windows can be shows how those new windows can be shows how those new windows can be fitted into an old building. So the fitted into an old building. So the fitted into an old building. So the window is strapped in. It's like a seat window is strapped in. It's like a seat window is strapped in. It's like a seat belt. belt. belt. >> Seat belt, right? That's a good way to >> Seat belt, right? That's a good way to >> Seat belt, right? That's a good way to >> And it pops out a couple of feet. looks >> And it pops out a couple of feet. looks >> And it pops out a couple of feet. looks like and stops.

like and stops. like and stops. >> Stops. Exactly. >> Stops. Exactly. >> Stops. Exactly. >> What a mess. >> What a mess. >> What a mess. >> The core has tested the hard way. More >> The core has tested the hard way. More >> The core has tested the hard way. More than 100 window designs. than 100 window designs. than 100 window designs. >> So, what you have here is is glass on >> So, what you have here is is glass on >> So, what you have here is is glass on the outside, glass on the inside with the outside, glass on the inside with the outside, glass on the inside with this plastic sheet in the middle. this plastic sheet in the middle. this plastic sheet in the middle. >> Right. It retains all the glass >> Right. It retains all the glass >> Right. It retains all the glass particles when it's hit and they all particles when it's hit and they all particles when it's hit and they all crack and it's actually connected into crack and it's actually connected into crack and it's actually connected into the frame so that it gives it strength the frame so that it gives it strength the frame so that it gives it strength to keep it from blowing in. The to keep it from blowing in. The to keep it from blowing in. The renovated section of the Pentagon had renovated section of the Pentagon had renovated section of the Pentagon had just been fitted with blast resistant just been fitted with blast resistant just been fitted with blast resistant windows. windows. windows. >> This is the room that I was looking out >> This is the room that I was looking out >> This is the room that I was looking out from. from. from. >> You were behind >> You were behind >> You were behind >> US Army Lieutenant Colonel Vince Cam was >> US Army Lieutenant Colonel Vince Cam was >> US Army Lieutenant Colonel Vince Cam was sitting next to one of those windows. sitting next to one of those windows. sitting next to one of those windows. >> I was sitting basically about 3 ft away >> I was sitting basically about 3 ft away >> I was sitting basically about 3 ft away from the window and I can see uh with from the window and I can see uh with from the window and I can see uh with that loud bang that accompanied as a that loud bang that accompanied as a that loud bang that accompanied as a fireball that came up towards the fireball that came up towards the fireball that came up towards the window. window. window. >> This fireball bright as the sun >> This fireball bright as the sun >> This fireball bright as the sun >> or as much brighter. It's like a stove. >> or as much brighter. It's like a stove. >> or as much brighter. It's like a stove. If you can imagine that turning on the If you can imagine that turning on the If you can imagine that turning on the stove, it's kind of like bright reddish stove, it's kind of like bright reddish stove, it's kind of like bright reddish uh orange.

uh orange. uh orange. >> But neither the heat nor the force broke >> But neither the heat nor the force broke >> But neither the heat nor the force broke through the windows that were right next through the windows that were right next through the windows that were right next to the impact site. The Pentagon's new to the impact site. The Pentagon's new to the impact site. The Pentagon's new windows cost $10,000 a piece. No one has windows cost $10,000 a piece. No one has windows cost $10,000 a piece. No one has counted how many lives they saved. counted how many lives they saved. counted how many lives they saved. If I was uh sitting in the same window If I was uh sitting in the same window If I was uh sitting in the same window on an unrenovated part of the uh the on an unrenovated part of the uh the on an unrenovated part of the uh the Pentagon, I probably wouldn't have Pentagon, I probably wouldn't have Pentagon, I probably wouldn't have survived it. Today, Lee Eve's team has finished Today, Lee Eve's team has finished tearing down the section that they had tearing down the section that they had tearing down the section that they had just put up, 400,000 square ft. just put up, 400,000 square ft. just put up, 400,000 square ft. >> So, on the order of 10% of the Pentagon >> So, on the order of 10% of the Pentagon >> So, on the order of 10% of the Pentagon is gone. And And >> there goes another half a percent. >> there goes another half a percent. >> there goes another half a percent. >> A little bit more. That's correct. >> A little bit more. That's correct. >> A little bit more. That's correct. >> Yeah. About uh less less than 10% of the >> Yeah. About uh less less than 10% of the >> Yeah. About uh less less than 10% of the building is being taken down. building is being taken down. building is being taken down. >> This was the Pentagon then, but look at >> This was the Pentagon then, but look at >> This was the Pentagon then, but look at it now.

Already the new Pentagon is rising. Already the new Pentagon is rising. These steel rods that will support the These steel rods that will support the These steel rods that will support the new columns are being sunk into the same new columns are being sunk into the same new columns are being sunk into the same old pilings. September 11th will always old pilings. September 11th will always old pilings. September 11th will always be an essential date for the Pentagon. be an essential date for the Pentagon. be an essential date for the Pentagon. It was September 11th, 1941 It was September 11th, 1941 It was September 11th, 1941 that ground was broken for the building. that ground was broken for the building. that ground was broken for the building. And on September 11th, 2002, they intend And on September 11th, 2002, they intend And on September 11th, 2002, they intend to open the new section. to open the new section. to open the new section. >> What's it going to look like when you >> What's it going to look like when you >> What's it going to look like when you have it finished? have it finished? have it finished? >> You know what it looked like before? >> You know what it looked like before? >> You know what it looked like before? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That's what it's going to look like >> That's what it's going to look like >> That's what it's going to look like again. Exactly. again. Exactly. again. Exactly. >> They're already pulling the limestone >> They're already pulling the limestone >> They're already pulling the limestone out of the same Indiana quarry of 60 out of the same Indiana quarry of 60 out of the same Indiana quarry of 60 years ago. In Mississippi, the years ago. In Mississippi, the years ago. In Mississippi, the supercomputers are analyzing the supercomputers are analyzing the supercomputers are analyzing the September 11th attack to improve the September 11th attack to improve the September 11th attack to improve the defenses even more. And John Yates has defenses even more. And John Yates has defenses even more. And John Yates has already been told that he will be moving already been told that he will be moving already been told that he will be moving back into the very same office. back into the very same office. back into the very same office. It's a testament to the to the work that It's a testament to the to the work that It's a testament to the to the work that the people in the renovation did and the the people in the renovation did and the the people in the renovation did and the and the engineers. and the engineers. and the engineers. And you know, And you know, And you know, if it hadn't been done, if there had if it hadn't been done, if there had if it hadn't been done, if there had been no structural hardening, I can't been no structural hardening, I can't been no structural hardening, I can't imagine what the death and and imagine what the death and and imagine what the death and and destruction would be. It just it would destruction would be. It just it would destruction would be. It just it would been would have been more catastrophic been would have been more catastrophic been would have been more catastrophic than what it is. 10 times 100 times than what it is. 10 times 100 times than what it is. 10 times 100 times worse.

worse. worse. >> And you would have been in that number. >> And you would have been in that number. >> And you would have been in that number. >> Yeah. I don't ask why anymore. I just say I don't ask why anymore. I just say thank you. It all started in Manhattan nearly two It all started in Manhattan nearly two months ago at a place that will be known months ago at a place that will be known months ago at a place that will be known forever as ground zero. an act of forever as ground zero. an act of forever as ground zero. an act of terrorism and mass murder that ignited a terrorism and mass murder that ignited a terrorism and mass murder that ignited a war that now has no end in sight. We war that now has no end in sight. We war that now has no end in sight. We have learned about the people who died have learned about the people who died have learned about the people who died there, the murderers who killed there, there, the murderers who killed there, there, the murderers who killed there, the heroes who still work there. the heroes who still work there. the heroes who still work there. Tonight, for the first time, we take you Tonight, for the first time, we take you Tonight, for the first time, we take you under ground zero, to a once vibrant under ground zero, to a once vibrant under ground zero, to a once vibrant underground city within a city that is underground city within a city that is underground city within a city that is now a 16 acre burial ground. A place now a 16 acre burial ground. A place now a 16 acre burial ground. A place where the effort to rebuild both where the effort to rebuild both where the effort to rebuild both physically and psychologically faces physically and psychologically faces physically and psychologically faces extraordinary challenges.

extraordinary challenges. extraordinary challenges. 7 weeks and a day after the attack on 7 weeks and a day after the attack on 7 weeks and a day after the attack on America's Twin Towers, there is still America's Twin Towers, there is still America's Twin Towers, there is still smoke in the air at ground zero. They smoke in the air at ground zero. They smoke in the air at ground zero. They can't put out the subterranean fires. It can't put out the subterranean fires. It can't put out the subterranean fires. It will be several more months before all will be several more months before all will be several more months before all the debris here will be carted away. And the debris here will be carted away. And the debris here will be carted away. And then there will be an even more daunting then there will be an even more daunting then there will be an even more daunting and dangerous and timeconsuming cleanup and dangerous and timeconsuming cleanup and dangerous and timeconsuming cleanup job. digging up and repairing what you job. digging up and repairing what you job. digging up and repairing what you can't see here, the tunnels and garages can't see here, the tunnels and garages can't see here, the tunnels and garages and underground mall beneath ground and underground mall beneath ground and underground mall beneath ground zero. Ken Holden, commissioner of New zero. Ken Holden, commissioner of New zero. Ken Holden, commissioner of New York's Department of Design and York's Department of Design and York's Department of Design and Construction, is the city's pointman in Construction, is the city's pointman in Construction, is the city's pointman in the cleanup effort. He says debris from the cleanup effort. He says debris from the cleanup effort. He says debris from the tall towers crashed through the roof the tall towers crashed through the roof the tall towers crashed through the roof of this building, World Trade Center, of this building, World Trade Center, of this building, World Trade Center, Building 6, and through the basement's Building 6, and through the basement's Building 6, and through the basement's six stories underground. six stories underground. six stories underground. large chunks of that heavy uh facade large chunks of that heavy uh facade large chunks of that heavy uh facade broke off and presumably from floor, you broke off and presumably from floor, you broke off and presumably from floor, you know, from the from the upper floors, 90 know, from the from the upper floors, 90 know, from the from the upper floors, 90 or higher, and just crashed through the or higher, and just crashed through the or higher, and just crashed through the center of this building, crashing center of this building, crashing center of this building, crashing through the nine floors of this through the nine floors of this through the nine floors of this building. And you'll see when we go building. And you'll see when we go building. And you'll see when we go underground, crashing through many of underground, crashing through many of underground, crashing through many of the uh the concrete slabs that create the uh the concrete slabs that create the uh the concrete slabs that create the parking structure. The debris, some the parking structure. The debris, some the parking structure. The debris, some of the individual pieces weighing 30 of the individual pieces weighing 30 of the individual pieces weighing 30 tons, cannonballled through building 6, tons, cannonballled through building 6, tons, cannonballled through building 6, creating an open space that looks like creating an open space that looks like creating an open space that looks like an atrium. It left much of the building an atrium. It left much of the building an atrium. It left much of the building unstable above ground and below.

unstable above ground and below. unstable above ground and below. >> Be really careful here. It's a lot of >> Be really careful here. It's a lot of >> Be really careful here. It's a lot of these blocks are loose. these blocks are loose. these blocks are loose. >> Down below, there are cracks and >> Down below, there are cracks and >> Down below, there are cracks and fissures in the staircases and walls fissures in the staircases and walls fissures in the staircases and walls >> pretty regularly and everybody. >> pretty regularly and everybody. >> pretty regularly and everybody. >> There's a hell of a crack in this >> There's a hell of a crack in this >> There's a hell of a crack in this >> and there was worse to come. It is still >> and there was worse to come. It is still >> and there was worse to come. It is still very dangerous down here, a war zone. very dangerous down here, a war zone. very dangerous down here, a war zone. The deeper we descended, the darker and The deeper we descended, the darker and The deeper we descended, the darker and dreer and dustier it became. dreer and dustier it became. dreer and dustier it became. >> You got to get all those concrete blocks >> You got to get all those concrete blocks >> You got to get all those concrete blocks above your head. So, please just kind of above your head. So, please just kind of above your head. So, please just kind of keep an eye. Try to stay off underneath keep an eye. Try to stay off underneath keep an eye. Try to stay off underneath them. They're only being held on by them. They're only being held on by them. They're only being held on by wires. wires. wires. >> You could smell smoke and when the wind >> You could smell smoke and when the wind >> You could smell smoke and when the wind shifts in certain pockets, there is the shifts in certain pockets, there is the shifts in certain pockets, there is the uniquely unmistakable smell of death. uniquely unmistakable smell of death. uniquely unmistakable smell of death. There was devastation everywhere. There was devastation everywhere. There was devastation everywhere. so much damage to the superructure that so much damage to the superructure that so much damage to the superructure that quite frankly we were surprised to see quite frankly we were surprised to see quite frankly we were surprised to see anything still standing. anything still standing. anything still standing. >> And these are the huge columns, the huge >> And these are the huge columns, the huge >> And these are the huge columns, the huge exterior columns that support the exterior columns that support the exterior columns that support the exterior of the building. And you can exterior of the building. And you can exterior of the building. And you can see the the force of the fire and the see the the force of the fire and the see the the force of the fire and the explosion has basically sheared off. And explosion has basically sheared off. And explosion has basically sheared off. And so that when you look at it from the so that when you look at it from the so that when you look at it from the outside, you see that northern facade is outside, you see that northern facade is outside, you see that northern facade is leaning against this building. And leaning against this building. And leaning against this building. And that's why it's leaning because these that's why it's leaning because these that's why it's leaning because these have sheared off.

have sheared off. have sheared off. >> When you see a building standing intact, >> When you see a building standing intact, >> When you see a building standing intact, Ken, you don't think it's possible this Ken, you don't think it's possible this Ken, you don't think it's possible this kind of thing can happen. kind of thing can happen. kind of thing can happen. >> No. No. We're seeing very unusual >> No. No. We're seeing very unusual >> No. No. We're seeing very unusual circumstances throughout this building. circumstances throughout this building. circumstances throughout this building. >> We kept descending. This is level B3, >> We kept descending. This is level B3, >> We kept descending. This is level B3, three floors beneath ground zero. We three floors beneath ground zero. We three floors beneath ground zero. We walked into what used to be a garage for walked into what used to be a garage for walked into what used to be a garage for the federal government employees who the federal government employees who the federal government employees who worked in the building. The daylight you worked in the building. The daylight you worked in the building. The daylight you see filters in from that giant crater at see filters in from that giant crater at see filters in from that giant crater at the bottom of what Holden calls the the bottom of what Holden calls the the bottom of what Holden calls the atrium. atrium. atrium. >> I call it the atrium. Obviously, it was >> I call it the atrium. Obviously, it was >> I call it the atrium. Obviously, it was not an atrium. And you can you can see not an atrium. And you can you can see not an atrium. And you can you can see cars hanging off here, cars hanging off here, cars hanging off here, cars down here. Good God, this is an cars down here. Good God, this is an cars down here. Good God, this is an automobile hanging like this automobile hanging like this automobile hanging like this >> with its uh tires burnt off. Obviously, >> with its uh tires burnt off. Obviously, >> with its uh tires burnt off. Obviously, the rubber has been burnt off. The the rubber has been burnt off. The the rubber has been burnt off. The >> fire here was so hot. Obviously, these >> fire here was so hot. Obviously, these >> fire here was so hot. Obviously, these cars are all burnt out. But you'll be cars are all burnt out. But you'll be cars are all burnt out. But you'll be able to see over I believe it's over able to see over I believe it's over able to see over I believe it's over here. See the aluminum hubcap has just here. See the aluminum hubcap has just here. See the aluminum hubcap has just melted right off. That's a puddle of melted right off. That's a puddle of melted right off. That's a puddle of aluminum from the fire. aluminum from the fire. aluminum from the fire. >> This is what's left of the hubcap. >> This is what's left of the hubcap. >> This is what's left of the hubcap. >> Yep. There's a car right down there.

>> Yep. There's a car right down there. >> Yep. There's a car right down there. >> Careful. There's a muffler. It's a car >> Careful. There's a muffler. It's a car >> Careful. There's a muffler. It's a car down there. down there. down there. >> This is really eerie because you realize >> This is really eerie because you realize >> This is really eerie because you realize it's not only a graveyard for it's not only a graveyard for it's not only a graveyard for automobiles. automobiles. automobiles. There's a graveyard for some people. There's a graveyard for some people. There's a graveyard for some people. Tens of thousands of people used to come Tens of thousands of people used to come Tens of thousands of people used to come to these underground tunnels every day. to these underground tunnels every day. to these underground tunnels every day. Not just to work in the towers and park Not just to work in the towers and park Not just to work in the towers and park their cars, but also to visit a vast their cars, but also to visit a vast their cars, but also to visit a vast underground shopping mall. underground shopping mall. underground shopping mall. >> Thousands of people came here to shop >> Thousands of people came here to shop >> Thousands of people came here to shop every day. every day. every day. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> There was a city >> There was a city >> There was a city >> underneath the city. A very very vibrant >> underneath the city. A very very vibrant >> underneath the city. A very very vibrant place. Very vibrant place. place. Very vibrant place. place. Very vibrant place. >> Shops were down here. In addition to >> Shops were down here. In addition to >> Shops were down here. In addition to >> restaurants, 15 to 25,000 people per >> restaurants, 15 to 25,000 people per >> restaurants, 15 to 25,000 people per building between people who actually building between people who actually building between people who actually work there. You have the uh what the one work there. You have the uh what the one work there. You have the uh what the one and the nine train going through the and the nine train going through the and the nine train going through the middle of the complex. You've got the middle of the complex. You've got the middle of the complex. You've got the the path trains. I mean, this is a huge the path trains. I mean, this is a huge the path trains. I mean, this is a huge This was a mini mini city This was a mini mini city This was a mini mini city >> below ground. >> below ground. >> below ground. >> All below ground. >> All below ground. >> All below ground. >> We still had three stories to go to get >> We still had three stories to go to get >> We still had three stories to go to get down to the rail tunnels. something. down to the rail tunnels. something. down to the rail tunnels. something. >> It was pitch black, disorienting, >> It was pitch black, disorienting, >> It was pitch black, disorienting, >> and it was slippery. The floor was slick >> and it was slippery. The floor was slick >> and it was slippery. The floor was slick with oil and gas from the abandoned with oil and gas from the abandoned with oil and gas from the abandoned cars, and we were warned the floor could cars, and we were warned the floor could cars, and we were warned the floor could collapse at any minute.

collapse at any minute. collapse at any minute. >> You see these cracks right here? >> You see these cracks right here? >> You see these cracks right here? >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Right along here. This is a cracked >> Right along here. This is a cracked >> Right along here. This is a cracked slab. You can see slab. You can see slab. You can see >> see it goes all the way. >> see it goes all the way. >> see it goes all the way. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Under a normal in a normal world, this >> Under a normal in a normal world, this >> Under a normal in a normal world, this is not a place I would recommend taking is not a place I would recommend taking is not a place I would recommend taking anyone to walk. Well, that's the reason anyone to walk. Well, that's the reason anyone to walk. Well, that's the reason we want to keep moving here because this we want to keep moving here because this we want to keep moving here because this is unstable. is unstable. is unstable. >> The path commuter rail line is six >> The path commuter rail line is six >> The path commuter rail line is six stories below ground zero. stories below ground zero. stories below ground zero. >> Miraculously, perhaps, no one died in >> Miraculously, perhaps, no one died in >> Miraculously, perhaps, no one died in this station the day the towers came this station the day the towers came this station the day the towers came down. down. down. >> The standard operating procedure for the >> The standard operating procedure for the >> The standard operating procedure for the port authority and the and the TA is port authority and the and the TA is port authority and the and the TA is when there's a fire to evacuate. So, all when there's a fire to evacuate. So, all when there's a fire to evacuate. So, all these both the path trains and the these both the path trains and the these both the path trains and the subways were evacuated when the subways were evacuated when the subways were evacuated when the buildings were on fire. So, when they buildings were on fire. So, when they buildings were on fire. So, when they did collapse, no one was injured. I did collapse, no one was injured. I did collapse, no one was injured. I mean, we lost a lot of people, but we mean, we lost a lot of people, but we mean, we lost a lot of people, but we saved a lot more than we than we lost. saved a lot more than we than we lost. saved a lot more than we than we lost. >> 35,000 commuters used to arrive in this >> 35,000 commuters used to arrive in this >> 35,000 commuters used to arrive in this station from New Jersey every day, but station from New Jersey every day, but station from New Jersey every day, but everything stopped just 5 minutes after everything stopped just 5 minutes after everything stopped just 5 minutes after Tower 1 tumbled down six stories Tower 1 tumbled down six stories Tower 1 tumbled down six stories overhead. overhead. overhead. >> Of all the things we've seen, we've seen >> Of all the things we've seen, we've seen >> Of all the things we've seen, we've seen some incredible things today. Seeing some incredible things today. Seeing some incredible things today. Seeing this empty train, this empty train, this empty train, >> it's pretty eerie. It's pretty eerie.

>> it's pretty eerie. It's pretty eerie. >> it's pretty eerie. It's pretty eerie. And the sign that says next stop home. I And the sign that says next stop home. I And the sign that says next stop home. I mean, that's really kind of point. mean, that's really kind of point. mean, that's really kind of point. >> Fortunately, there was nobody in the >> Fortunately, there was nobody in the >> Fortunately, there was nobody in the train. train. train. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> And this got evacuated. >> And this got evacuated. >> And this got evacuated. >> This was all evacuated. No one was hurt >> This was all evacuated. No one was hurt >> This was all evacuated. No one was hurt down here. down here. down here. >> But it may take 2 years before the >> But it may take 2 years before the >> But it may take 2 years before the trains will start rolling here again. trains will start rolling here again. trains will start rolling here again. And even longer before a nearby subway And even longer before a nearby subway And even longer before a nearby subway line will be fixed. There are hundreds line will be fixed. There are hundreds line will be fixed. There are hundreds of miles of wires, pipes, and cables to of miles of wires, pipes, and cables to of miles of wires, pipes, and cables to be replaced. By the end of next year, be replaced. By the end of next year, be replaced. By the end of next year, Commissioner Holden hopes to have his Commissioner Holden hopes to have his Commissioner Holden hopes to have his area above and below ground zero cleared area above and below ground zero cleared area above and below ground zero cleared up. Price tag two half billion dollars. up. Price tag two half billion dollars. up. Price tag two half billion dollars. Ken, estimated, how much debris have you Ken, estimated, how much debris have you Ken, estimated, how much debris have you already removed? already removed? already removed? >> We've probably removed somewhere in the >> We've probably removed somewhere in the >> We've probably removed somewhere in the area of 400,000 tons. Uh the initial area of 400,000 tons. Uh the initial area of 400,000 tons. Uh the initial estimates that we worked out with FEMA, estimates that we worked out with FEMA, estimates that we worked out with FEMA, the Federal Emergency Agency, were the Federal Emergency Agency, were the Federal Emergency Agency, were somewhere in the area and with the Port somewhere in the area and with the Port somewhere in the area and with the Port Authority, we're somewhere in the area Authority, we're somewhere in the area Authority, we're somewhere in the area of 1.2 million tons. So, we're probably of 1.2 million tons. So, we're probably of 1.2 million tons. So, we're probably about a third of the way through. about a third of the way through. about a third of the way through. >> That's 1.2 million tons >> That's 1.2 million tons >> That's 1.2 million tons >> of steel and debris. >> of steel and debris. >> of steel and debris. >> Most of that from the surface.

>> Most of that from the surface. >> Most of that from the surface. >> Almost all of that from the surface. >> Almost all of that from the surface. >> Almost all of that from the surface. We're just beginning to get below grade. We're just beginning to get below grade. We're just beginning to get below grade. >> And to those who say, "I appreciate >> And to those who say, "I appreciate >> And to those who say, "I appreciate their spirit, but they must be kidding their spirit, but they must be kidding their spirit, but they must be kidding themselves. It just can't be done." You themselves. It just can't be done." You themselves. It just can't be done." You say what? say what? say what? >> We will get it done. We took one on the >> We will get it done. We took one on the >> We will get it done. We took one on the chin, knocked us on our butt, but like chin, knocked us on our butt, but like chin, knocked us on our butt, but like all New Yorkers, we'll pick ourselves all New Yorkers, we'll pick ourselves all New Yorkers, we'll pick ourselves up. We'll dust our clothes off and we'll up. We'll dust our clothes off and we'll up. We'll dust our clothes off and we'll get back to doing what we do best. get back to doing what we do best. get back to doing what we do best. But removing the debris that is But removing the debris that is But removing the debris that is underground is a logistical dilemma, an underground is a logistical dilemma, an underground is a logistical dilemma, an engineering nightmare. When the World engineering nightmare. When the World engineering nightmare. When the World Trade Center complex was built 30 years Trade Center complex was built 30 years Trade Center complex was built 30 years ago, an enormous retaining wall called a ago, an enormous retaining wall called a ago, an enormous retaining wall called a slurry wall was constructed below slurry wall was constructed below slurry wall was constructed below ground. The wall is 3 ft wide and 60 to ground. The wall is 3 ft wide and 60 to ground. The wall is 3 ft wide and 60 to 70 ft deep. It was designed to prevent 70 ft deep. It was designed to prevent 70 ft deep. It was designed to prevent water from the Hudson River, just blocks water from the Hudson River, just blocks water from the Hudson River, just blocks away, from flooding the six-story away, from flooding the six-story away, from flooding the six-story basements. basements. basements. >> Here is your slurry wall. This is >> Here is your slurry wall. This is >> Here is your slurry wall. This is probably an old tieback. probably an old tieback. probably an old tieback. >> The other side of this is a Hudson >> The other side of this is a Hudson >> The other side of this is a Hudson River. River. River. >> Well, the other side of this is is mud >> Well, the other side of this is is mud >> Well, the other side of this is is mud is but but the water table here is is but but the water table here is is but but the water table here is extremely high because we're so close to extremely high because we're so close to extremely high because we're so close to the to the to the river that special the to the to the river that special the to the to the river that special construction techniques were needed.

construction techniques were needed. construction techniques were needed. >> The massive underground containing >> The massive underground containing >> The massive underground containing structure is nicknamed the bathtub. structure is nicknamed the bathtub. structure is nicknamed the bathtub. >> That's the difference. The bathtub in >> That's the difference. The bathtub in >> That's the difference. The bathtub in your house is designed to keep the water your house is designed to keep the water your house is designed to keep the water in. in. in. >> This keeps it out so that they could >> This keeps it out so that they could >> This keeps it out so that they could build the parking structures underground build the parking structures underground build the parking structures underground here here here >> for 30 years now. The wall has been >> for 30 years now. The wall has been >> for 30 years now. The wall has been supported by the floors in the basement supported by the floors in the basement supported by the floors in the basement levels. Floors that have now buckled. levels. Floors that have now buckled. levels. Floors that have now buckled. >> Because of all the damage, Ken Holden's >> Because of all the damage, Ken Holden's >> Because of all the damage, Ken Holden's engineers will have to shore up the wall engineers will have to shore up the wall engineers will have to shore up the wall with more than a thousand cables to with more than a thousand cables to with more than a thousand cables to prevent it from collapsing. prevent it from collapsing. prevent it from collapsing. >> You know, we're drilling through the >> You know, we're drilling through the >> You know, we're drilling through the three-foot wall, drill 85 ft or so down three-foot wall, drill 85 ft or so down three-foot wall, drill 85 ft or so down to bedrock. Then we drill 35 ft into to bedrock. Then we drill 35 ft into to bedrock. Then we drill 35 ft into bedrock. Then we take basically the same bedrock. Then we take basically the same bedrock. Then we take basically the same kind of cables that they use on bridges, kind of cables that they use on bridges, kind of cables that they use on bridges, grout it up, basically concrete it up, grout it up, basically concrete it up, grout it up, basically concrete it up, wait three days for it to cure, and then wait three days for it to cure, and then wait three days for it to cure, and then they tension those cables and and that they tension those cables and and that they tension those cables and and that that sustained the wall. >> Something fell. >> Something fell. >> Something fell once the permanent >> Something fell once the permanent >> Something fell once the permanent >> Are we all right here? >> Are we all right here? >> Are we all right here? >> We're fine. >> We're fine. >> We're fine. >> Okay. Commissioner Holden knows he can >> Okay. Commissioner Holden knows he can >> Okay. Commissioner Holden knows he can never let his guard down here and he has never let his guard down here and he has never let his guard down here and he has concerns about the structural integrity concerns about the structural integrity concerns about the structural integrity of the wall when he starts demolition of the wall when he starts demolition of the wall when he starts demolition nearby.

nearby. nearby. >> As we talk right now, parts of the >> As we talk right now, parts of the >> As we talk right now, parts of the slurry wall have been damaged a little. slurry wall have been damaged a little. slurry wall have been damaged a little. Is there some water seeping through or Is there some water seeping through or Is there some water seeping through or not much? not much? not much? >> There is no more water seeping through >> There is no more water seeping through >> There is no more water seeping through the slurry wall now than there is in in the slurry wall now than there is in in the slurry wall now than there is in in normal circumstances. But it's a normal circumstances. But it's a normal circumstances. But it's a constant battle to keep it dry down here constant battle to keep it dry down here constant battle to keep it dry down here to keep the floods out. Even when the to keep the floods out. Even when the to keep the floods out. Even when the wall is intact, there are several inches wall is intact, there are several inches wall is intact, there are several inches of water in these tunnels. of water in these tunnels. of water in these tunnels. >> But this water is not seeping in from >> But this water is not seeping in from >> But this water is not seeping in from the river. This comes from the river. This comes from the river. This comes from >> fireman's water. >> fireman's water. >> fireman's water. >> Saving the wall is critical. >> Saving the wall is critical. >> Saving the wall is critical. >> If the tunnels flood, the water could >> If the tunnels flood, the water could >> If the tunnels flood, the water could pour into train and subway lines and pour into train and subway lines and pour into train and subway lines and destabilize nearby buildings. destabilize nearby buildings. destabilize nearby buildings. >> I don't know about you, but is the hair >> I don't know about you, but is the hair >> I don't know about you, but is the hair on the back of your neck beginning to on the back of your neck beginning to on the back of your neck beginning to raise a little bit? too. I've been I've raise a little bit? too. I've been I've raise a little bit? too. I've been I've been down there too many times. My my been down there too many times. My my been down there too many times. My my hairs are kind of worn away. hairs are kind of worn away. hairs are kind of worn away. >> Well, maybe you forgive some of the rest >> Well, maybe you forgive some of the rest >> Well, maybe you forgive some of the rest of us. of us. of us. >> Ken Holden is under enormous pressure to >> Ken Holden is under enormous pressure to >> Ken Holden is under enormous pressure to get the job done below ground and above, get the job done below ground and above, get the job done below ground and above, but he knows he can't lose his but he knows he can't lose his but he knows he can't lose his sensitivity or perspective. sensitivity or perspective. sensitivity or perspective. >> This is probably about two weeks ago >> This is probably about two weeks ago >> This is probably about two weeks ago where a father firefighter was uh where a father firefighter was uh where a father firefighter was uh walking around uh asking us to hold off walking around uh asking us to hold off walking around uh asking us to hold off on the road building operation. Uh he on the road building operation. Uh he on the road building operation. Uh he basically pointed to a road to his left.

basically pointed to a road to his left. basically pointed to a road to his left. He said, "You you guys have already He said, "You you guys have already He said, "You you guys have already buried my best friend over here, and uh buried my best friend over here, and uh buried my best friend over here, and uh and I'm looking for my son over here." and I'm looking for my son over here." and I'm looking for my son over here." And he was pointing to the area where And he was pointing to the area where And he was pointing to the area where we're building another road. I saw out we're building another road. I saw out we're building another road. I saw out of the corner of my eye the uh father of the corner of my eye the uh father of the corner of my eye the uh father going climbing up to the debris pile going climbing up to the debris pile going climbing up to the debris pile with a spade and picking up uh spadefuls with a spade and picking up uh spadefuls with a spade and picking up uh spadefuls of uh of debris uh looking for a son in of uh of debris uh looking for a son in of uh of debris uh looking for a son in that manner and then threw the spadefuls that manner and then threw the spadefuls that manner and then threw the spadefuls back and continued to climb and look for back and continued to climb and look for back and continued to climb and look for spadefuls. It was probably probably spadefuls. It was probably probably spadefuls. It was probably probably ranks as one of my more poignant ranks as one of my more poignant ranks as one of my more poignant moments. moments. moments. It's been 7 weeks and a day. It's been 7 weeks and a day. It's been 7 weeks and a day. Firefighters and other rescue workers Firefighters and other rescue workers Firefighters and other rescue workers still search round the clock at ground still search round the clock at ground still search round the clock at ground zero, looking for the bodies of the zero, looking for the bodies of the zero, looking for the bodies of the thousands of people who have died here. thousands of people who have died here. thousands of people who have died here. They don't want to leave anyone behind. They don't want to leave anyone behind. They don't want to leave anyone behind. >> Do you consider it sacred ground or is >> Do you consider it sacred ground or is >> Do you consider it sacred ground or is it now moving to a construction it now moving to a construction it now moving to a construction demolition and construction site? In demolition and construction site? In demolition and construction site? In order for me to work here every day, I order for me to work here every day, I order for me to work here every day, I think I have to segue away from the think I have to segue away from the think I have to segue away from the sacred ground considerations and move sacred ground considerations and move sacred ground considerations and move towards a a a construction site. But I towards a a a construction site. But I towards a a a construction site. But I think you can't work here without being think you can't work here without being think you can't work here without being cognizant of the fact that there that cognizant of the fact that there that cognizant of the fact that there that there people here, there's suffering there people here, there's suffering there people here, there's suffering here, there's dead bodies here, and uh here, there's dead bodies here, and uh here, there's dead bodies here, and uh and there's a need to treat treat this and there's a need to treat treat this and there's a need to treat treat this ground in a manner different from you ground in a manner different from you ground in a manner different from you would than you would in any other would than you would in any other would than you would in any other construction site. Since the attack at construction site. Since the attack at construction site. Since the attack at ground zero, Kin Holden and his troops ground zero, Kin Holden and his troops ground zero, Kin Holden and his troops have been down in the rubble almost have been down in the rubble almost have been down in the rubble almost every day. It hasn't been easy, but every day. It hasn't been easy, but every day. It hasn't been easy, but America is at war and Commissioner America is at war and Commissioner America is at war and Commissioner Holden plans to win.

Holden plans to win. Holden plans to win. >> I think my attitude is probably the same >> I think my attitude is probably the same >> I think my attitude is probably the same attitude that most of the guys have down attitude that most of the guys have down attitude that most of the guys have down here, working on a day-to-day basis, here, working on a day-to-day basis, here, working on a day-to-day basis, working on the pile. 60 years ago when working on the pile. 60 years ago when working on the pile. 60 years ago when the uh when the Nazis were bomb were the uh when the Nazis were bomb were the uh when the Nazis were bomb were bombing uh Great Britain and the uh bombing uh Great Britain and the uh bombing uh Great Britain and the uh British people were pulling out their British people were pulling out their British people were pulling out their family and their friends and their family and their friends and their family and their friends and their neighbors from the rubble. Uh Winston neighbors from the rubble. Uh Winston neighbors from the rubble. Uh Winston Churchill said uh We shall not weary. We shall not we We shall not weary. We shall not we shall not tire. Just give us the tools shall not tire. Just give us the tools shall not tire. Just give us the tools and we'll finish the job. There was nothing random about the acts There was nothing random about the acts of terrorism against the World Trade of terrorism against the World Trade of terrorism against the World Trade Center. The Twin Towers were not just Center. The Twin Towers were not just Center. The Twin Towers were not just symbols of American finance. The people symbols of American finance. The people symbols of American finance. The people who worked there were at the very heart who worked there were at the very heart who worked there were at the very heart of it. Like the small investment banking of it. Like the small investment banking of it. Like the small investment banking firm of Sandler O'Neal. Its headquarters firm of Sandler O'Neal. Its headquarters firm of Sandler O'Neal. Its headquarters were on the 104th floor of Tower 2. But were on the 104th floor of Tower 2. But were on the 104th floor of Tower 2. But its roots were in the very heart of its roots were in the very heart of its roots were in the very heart of America. Its business was providing America. Its business was providing America. Its business was providing financial expertise and services to financial expertise and services to financial expertise and services to small and medium-sized banks and savings small and medium-sized banks and savings small and medium-sized banks and savings and loans all across the country. They and loans all across the country. They and loans all across the country. They had friends in places like Wayne, New had friends in places like Wayne, New had friends in places like Wayne, New Jersey, Sous City, Iowa, and Santa Jersey, Sous City, Iowa, and Santa Jersey, Sous City, Iowa, and Santa Barbara, California. Of Sandler O'Neal's Barbara, California. Of Sandler O'Neal's Barbara, California. Of Sandler O'Neal's 171 employees, 83 reported for work at 171 employees, 83 reported for work at 171 employees, 83 reported for work at the World Trade Center on the morning of the World Trade Center on the morning of the World Trade Center on the morning of September 11th. Only 17 made it out September 11th. Only 17 made it out September 11th. Only 17 made it out alive. For the people of Sandler O'Neal,

alive. For the people of Sandler O'Neal, alive. For the people of Sandler O'Neal, continuing their business is every bit continuing their business is every bit continuing their business is every bit as important and symbolic as the act as important and symbolic as the act as important and symbolic as the act that almost ended it. We were allowed to that almost ended it. We were allowed to that almost ended it. We were allowed to join them a few days after the disaster join them a few days after the disaster join them a few days after the disaster in their small Midtown office where in their small Midtown office where in their small Midtown office where Sandler O'Neal had first come to Sandler O'Neal had first come to Sandler O'Neal had first come to regroup, hiring crisis counselors and regroup, hiring crisis counselors and regroup, hiring crisis counselors and therapists, searching hospitals, and therapists, searching hospitals, and therapists, searching hospitals, and trying to console and help the families trying to console and help the families trying to console and help the families of friends and colleagues who were dead of friends and colleagues who were dead of friends and colleagues who were dead or missing. or missing. or missing. >> Hey, Billy. Bill Hickey, >> Hey, Billy. Bill Hickey, >> Hey, Billy. Bill Hickey, >> how you doing, buddy? >> how you doing, buddy? >> how you doing, buddy? >> Hey, I just wanted to say hello and see >> Hey, I just wanted to say hello and see >> Hey, I just wanted to say hello and see if uh if I could do anything for you, if uh if I could do anything for you, if uh if I could do anything for you, buddy. buddy. buddy. >> The bankers and brokers and analysts had >> The bankers and brokers and analysts had >> The bankers and brokers and analysts had all worked the phones before, but never all worked the phones before, but never all worked the phones before, but never in a situation like this. in a situation like this. in a situation like this. >> It's going to be hard for >> It's going to be hard for >> It's going to be hard for you to let me know if there's anything you to let me know if there's anything you to let me know if there's anything at all I can do for you, man. at all I can do for you, man. at all I can do for you, man. >> But they couldn't give people the two >> But they couldn't give people the two >> But they couldn't give people the two things they wanted to hear. Good news or things they wanted to hear. Good news or things they wanted to hear. Good news or hard information. I've already touched hard information. I've already touched hard information. I've already touched base today with Wright, Clark, Edwards, base today with Wright, Clark, Edwards, base today with Wright, Clark, Edwards, Collins, Wiznowski, and Brent. Collins, Wiznowski, and Brent. Collins, Wiznowski, and Brent. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay.

>> Okay. >> Okay. >> The names and the families went on and >> The names and the families went on and >> The names and the families went on and on. Partners, assistants, researchers, on. Partners, assistants, researchers, on. Partners, assistants, researchers, clerks, rain makers, and number clerks, rain makers, and number clerks, rain makers, and number crunchers. crunchers. crunchers. >> I've made contact today with uh Doug >> I've made contact today with uh Doug >> I've made contact today with uh Doug Urgang's mom, uh David Rice's uh the guy Urgang's mom, uh David Rice's uh the guy Urgang's mom, uh David Rice's uh the guy who identified David Rice's body for who identified David Rice's body for who identified David Rice's body for Richard Vonfeld. Yeah. I've spoken to Richard Vonfeld. Yeah. I've spoken to Richard Vonfeld. Yeah. I've spoken to Chris Newton Carter's wife at length, Chris Newton Carter's wife at length, Chris Newton Carter's wife at length, >> right? >> right? >> right? >> And uh >> And uh >> And uh >> I I was with Patty Rosen this morning. >> I I was with Patty Rosen this morning. >> I I was with Patty Rosen this morning. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> How's she doing? >> How's she doing? >> How's she doing? >> She helped me more than I helped her. >> She helped me more than I helped her. >> She helped me more than I helped her. >> Sandra O'Neal's strongest asset had >> Sandra O'Neal's strongest asset had >> Sandra O'Neal's strongest asset had always been its people and the always been its people and the always been its people and the experience that comes with highly experience that comes with highly experience that comes with highly trained employees who understood the trained employees who understood the trained employees who understood the company's business and had personal company's business and had personal company's business and had personal relationships with its customers. But as relationships with its customers. But as relationships with its customers. But as each day passed, it had become apparent each day passed, it had become apparent each day passed, it had become apparent that much of that intellectual and human that much of that intellectual and human that much of that intellectual and human capital had been depleted. capital had been depleted. capital had been depleted. >> If they're having trouble identifying >> If they're having trouble identifying >> If they're having trouble identifying them, we'll start having the parents go them, we'll start having the parents go them, we'll start having the parents go down for the DNA. down for the DNA. down for the DNA. >> Okay? >> Okay? >> Okay? >> And then I'll print out and list the >> And then I'll print out and list the >> And then I'll print out and list the order of how the siblings and who they order of how the siblings and who they order of how the siblings and who they want to go first for DNA samples. But want to go first for DNA samples. But want to go first for DNA samples. But right now, if we can get people to send right now, if we can get people to send right now, if we can get people to send stuff over like with scars, shoe size, stuff over like with scars, shoe size, stuff over like with scars, shoe size, blood type, um, inscriptions of wedding blood type, um, inscriptions of wedding blood type, um, inscriptions of wedding band. As the grim reality set in, the band. As the grim reality set in, the band. As the grim reality set in, the job of resurrecting Sandler O'Neal had job of resurrecting Sandler O'Neal had job of resurrecting Sandler O'Neal had fallen on the shoulders of its fallen on the shoulders of its fallen on the shoulders of its 44year-old managing partner, Jimmy Dunn.

44year-old managing partner, Jimmy Dunn. 44year-old managing partner, Jimmy Dunn. >> Well, uh, you know, it's, uh, I'm sad, >> Well, uh, you know, it's, uh, I'm sad, >> Well, uh, you know, it's, uh, I'm sad, but focused. His company had lost its but focused. His company had lost its but focused. His company had lost its entire communication system, nearly entire communication system, nearly entire communication system, nearly every piece of paper, a third of its every piece of paper, a third of its every piece of paper, a third of its people. Not to mention two of his best people. Not to mention two of his best people. Not to mention two of his best friends and top executives, senior friends and top executives, senior friends and top executives, senior managing partner Herman Sandler and managing partner Herman Sandler and managing partner Herman Sandler and Chris Quackenbush, the man who ran the Chris Quackenbush, the man who ran the Chris Quackenbush, the man who ran the investment banking business. investment banking business. investment banking business. >> It was just incredible that that 66 >> It was just incredible that that 66 >> It was just incredible that that 66 people could be missing and nothing people could be missing and nothing people could be missing and nothing nothing just like they were gone. That 21 just like they were gone. That 21 Sandler. Sandler. Sandler. >> Just four days after the attack, the >> Just four days after the attack, the >> Just four days after the attack, the survivors at Sandler O'Neal had already survivors at Sandler O'Neal had already survivors at Sandler O'Neal had already moved into temporary quarters given to moved into temporary quarters given to moved into temporary quarters given to them by Bank of America. Brokerage them by Bank of America. Brokerage them by Bank of America. Brokerage houses and investment banks, competitors houses and investment banks, competitors houses and investment banks, competitors in what had been the cutthroat world of in what had been the cutthroat world of in what had been the cutthroat world of Wall Street finance offered equipment, Wall Street finance offered equipment, Wall Street finance offered equipment, people, and services, whatever Sandler people, and services, whatever Sandler people, and services, whatever Sandler O'Neal needed to stay alive. O'Neal needed to stay alive. O'Neal needed to stay alive. >> And so we're here and we're doing >> And so we're here and we're doing >> And so we're here and we're doing business. By Monday morning, with the business. By Monday morning, with the business. By Monday morning, with the market set to reopen, they were moved in market set to reopen, they were moved in market set to reopen, they were moved in and ready to go. In spite of the fact and ready to go. In spite of the fact and ready to go. In spite of the fact that most of their stock traders were that most of their stock traders were that most of their stock traders were among the missing, among the missing, among the missing, >> Terry Maltis, who had run another >> Terry Maltis, who had run another >> Terry Maltis, who had run another division of the company, moved in and division of the company, moved in and division of the company, moved in and took charge.

took charge. took charge. >> This has been a horrible week as >> This has been a horrible week as >> This has been a horrible week as everybody knows. everybody knows. everybody knows. And And And it's amazing what's happened and it's it's amazing what's happened and it's it's amazing what's happened and it's amazing everything we've had to do. And amazing everything we've had to do. And amazing everything we've had to do. And I'm very proud of everything we have I'm very proud of everything we have I'm very proud of everything we have done here. done here. done here. I'm more sad about everything we've lost I'm more sad about everything we've lost I'm more sad about everything we've lost and that we had to do this. Talking to and that we had to do this. Talking to and that we had to do this. Talking to the families was the worst thing. We've the families was the worst thing. We've the families was the worst thing. We've got a lot of distraught families, a lot got a lot of distraught families, a lot got a lot of distraught families, a lot of people that are very upset. People of people that are very upset. People of people that are very upset. People don't know what they're going to do. Uh don't know what they're going to do. Uh don't know what they're going to do. Uh and a lot of kids and and wives missing and a lot of kids and and wives missing and a lot of kids and and wives missing their husbands. Um a few days ago, we their husbands. Um a few days ago, we their husbands. Um a few days ago, we started collecting DNA here. Uh these started collecting DNA here. Uh these started collecting DNA here. Uh these are things I never thought any of us are things I never thought any of us are things I never thought any of us would do. Um would do. Um would do. Um we've done them. We're going to continue we've done them. We're going to continue we've done them. We're going to continue to do every single thing we can do for to do every single thing we can do for to do every single thing we can do for the families for as long as it takes. the families for as long as it takes. the families for as long as it takes. But in order to do that, one of the But in order to do that, one of the But in order to do that, one of the things we need to do is we need to be in things we need to do is we need to be in things we need to do is we need to be in business. So today, we're in business. business. So today, we're in business. business. So today, we're in business. And it is going to work. We have no And it is going to work. We have no And it is going to work. We have no choice. Okay? We're going to do this and choice. Okay? We're going to do this and choice. Okay? We're going to do this and we're going to do it because not doing we're going to do it because not doing we're going to do it because not doing it is not going to be an option. And it is not going to be an option. And it is not going to be an option. And people want to do business with us.

people want to do business with us. people want to do business with us. We've got several firms that are working We've got several firms that are working We've got several firms that are working for us for free. I spoke to Trident for us for free. I spoke to Trident for us for free. I spoke to Trident yesterday and asked them if they could yesterday and asked them if they could yesterday and asked them if they could do something for us where we would split do something for us where we would split do something for us where we would split commissions of business we route through commissions of business we route through commissions of business we route through them. They said the only way they would them. They said the only way they would them. They said the only way they would do it is if the split is zero for them do it is if the split is zero for them do it is if the split is zero for them and all for us. Everybody wants to help and all for us. Everybody wants to help and all for us. Everybody wants to help us. So we can't not do this and we will us. So we can't not do this and we will us. So we can't not do this and we will do this. At 9:00 last Tuesday morning, do this. At 9:00 last Tuesday morning, do this. At 9:00 last Tuesday morning, Frankie and Bruce were standing at their Frankie and Bruce were standing at their Frankie and Bruce were standing at their desk waiting for the market to open so desk waiting for the market to open so desk waiting for the market to open so they could trade. The market never they could trade. The market never they could trade. The market never opened and they never got to make those opened and they never got to make those opened and they never got to make those trades. The market is going to open today and The market is going to open today and we're going to make those trades. Yes, we're going to make those trades. Yes, we're going to make those trades. Yes, our friends are gone. The desk is gone. our friends are gone. The desk is gone. our friends are gone. The desk is gone. We're here and make no mistake, Bruce We're here and make no mistake, Bruce We're here and make no mistake, Bruce and Frankie are here and they're and Frankie are here and they're and Frankie are here and they're watching us and we're not going to watching us and we're not going to watching us and we're not going to disappoint them. disappoint them. disappoint them. And Herman's watching us. And Herman, he And Herman's watching us. And Herman, he And Herman's watching us. And Herman, he knows we can do this. So very simply, knows we can do this. So very simply, knows we can do this. So very simply, we're going to do this.

we're going to do this. we're going to do this. >> As they waited for the first opening >> As they waited for the first opening >> As they waited for the first opening bell in 6 days, the employees of Sandler bell in 6 days, the employees of Sandler bell in 6 days, the employees of Sandler O'Neal along with the rest of the O'Neal along with the rest of the O'Neal along with the rest of the financial community stopped and prayed financial community stopped and prayed financial community stopped and prayed before returning to business. >> All right, we're open. >> All right, we're open. >> They quickly discovered that there were >> They quickly discovered that there were >> They quickly discovered that there were lots of things that needed to be worked lots of things that needed to be worked lots of things that needed to be worked out. out. out. >> His phones aren't working. >> His phones aren't working. >> His phones aren't working. What is with these phones? What is with these phones? What is with these phones? >> Guys, pick up all your lines. Press on >> Guys, pick up all your lines. Press on >> Guys, pick up all your lines. Press on the red ones and hang them up. the red ones and hang them up. the red ones and hang them up. >> We're having a look. We got a really big >> We're having a look. We got a really big >> We're having a look. We got a really big problem here. Nobody is on our lines and problem here. Nobody is on our lines and problem here. Nobody is on our lines and they're all lit up. they're all lit up. they're all lit up. >> You know what, Mark? You're going to >> You know what, Mark? You're going to >> You know what, Mark? You're going to have to use that. Is that phone good? have to use that. Is that phone good? have to use that. Is that phone good? >> Yeah, we got we got to take that phone >> Yeah, we got we got to take that phone >> Yeah, we got we got to take that phone and that's my phone. and that's my phone. and that's my phone. >> We We'd love to get an order somehow >> We We'd love to get an order somehow >> We We'd love to get an order somehow some way. some way. some way. >> The phone crisis was solved within >> The phone crisis was solved within >> The phone crisis was solved within several hours, but that was not the several hours, but that was not the several hours, but that was not the company's biggest problem. There was a company's biggest problem. There was a company's biggest problem. There was a rumor of foot on Wall Street mistakenly rumor of foot on Wall Street mistakenly rumor of foot on Wall Street mistakenly reported that Sandler O'Neal had reported that Sandler O'Neal had reported that Sandler O'Neal had suspended operations. So Jimmy Dunn, who suspended operations. So Jimmy Dunn, who suspended operations. So Jimmy Dunn, who had never done an interview before, went had never done an interview before, went had never done an interview before, went live on CNBC to let his clients and the live on CNBC to let his clients and the live on CNBC to let his clients and the financial community know that Sandler financial community know that Sandler financial community know that Sandler O'Neal was up and running and here to O'Neal was up and running and here to O'Neal was up and running and here to stay.

stay. stay. >> You know, we don't, you know, write >> You know, we don't, you know, write >> You know, we don't, you know, write songs. We don't write novels. We're Wall songs. We don't write novels. We're Wall songs. We don't write novels. We're Wall Street people. We're going to respond as Street people. We're going to respond as Street people. We're going to respond as we know how. we know how. we know how. >> And respond they did. The attack had not >> And respond they did. The attack had not >> And respond they did. The attack had not only wiped out most of the firm's only wiped out most of the firm's only wiped out most of the firm's computer system. The two people in the computer system. The two people in the computer system. The two people in the technology support division who would technology support division who would technology support division who would have known how to fix it were among the have known how to fix it were among the have known how to fix it were among the missing. missing. missing. >> We have no record of the deals, you >> We have no record of the deals, you >> We have no record of the deals, you know, that we've done this year. know, that we've done this year. know, that we've done this year. >> Who the hell knows? >> Who the hell knows? >> Who the hell knows? >> But does he have it? >> But does he have it? >> But does he have it? >> Does he have it? I don't know what >> Does he have it? I don't know what >> Does he have it? I don't know what records. records. records. So, a group of programmers and software So, a group of programmers and software So, a group of programmers and software specialists who work for an old college specialists who work for an old college specialists who work for an old college roommate of Jimmy Dunn drove all night roommate of Jimmy Dunn drove all night roommate of Jimmy Dunn drove all night from Chicago to pitch in and got most of from Chicago to pitch in and got most of from Chicago to pitch in and got most of the system up before the markets the system up before the markets the system up before the markets reopened. reopened. reopened. >> But no one from the outside could help >> But no one from the outside could help >> But no one from the outside could help the shell shocked employees of Sander the shell shocked employees of Sander the shell shocked employees of Sander O'Neal with their grief. O'Neal with their grief. O'Neal with their grief. >> Funeral was >> Funeral was >> Funeral was >> I know brutal. >> I know brutal. >> I know brutal. >> It was brutal. I talked to his >> It was brutal. I talked to his >> It was brutal. I talked to his grandmother and yeah, she was reliving grandmother and yeah, she was reliving grandmother and yeah, she was reliving all the stories and all the stories and all the stories and started cry. You know, what are you started cry. You know, what are you started cry. You know, what are you going to do?

going to do? going to do? >> We're going to get through it. That's >> We're going to get through it. That's >> We're going to get through it. That's what we're going to do. what we're going to do. what we're going to do. >> Across the front of the office on >> Across the front of the office on >> Across the front of the office on spreadsheets normally used to report spreadsheets normally used to report spreadsheets normally used to report sales and earnings was a long list of sales and earnings was a long list of sales and earnings was a long list of funerals, wakes, and memorial services. funerals, wakes, and memorial services. funerals, wakes, and memorial services. And Jimmy Dunn was determined that there And Jimmy Dunn was determined that there And Jimmy Dunn was determined that there would be Sandler O'Neal partners at all would be Sandler O'Neal partners at all would be Sandler O'Neal partners at all of them. of them. of them. >> Oh god. >> Oh god. >> Oh god. my best friends on uh Saturday my best friends on uh Saturday my best friends on uh Saturday and a guy that we were in the same and a guy that we were in the same and a guy that we were in the same summer house with 20 years ago for six summer house with 20 years ago for six summer house with 20 years ago for six years is the same day, same time. And years is the same day, same time. And years is the same day, same time. And then a great friend of mine's that then a great friend of mine's that then a great friend of mine's that morning. So I'll be both of those and morning. So I'll be both of those and morning. So I'll be both of those and Hermans is on Monday. So yeah, Hermans is on Monday. So yeah, Hermans is on Monday. So yeah, >> I will miss him every day for the rest >> I will miss him every day for the rest >> I will miss him every day for the rest of my life. of my life. of my life. >> The services have been heart-rending, >> The services have been heart-rending, >> The services have been heart-rending, exhausting, and relentless in their exhausting, and relentless in their exhausting, and relentless in their sheer numbers. two and three a day well sheer numbers. two and three a day well sheer numbers. two and three a day well into the month of October. into the month of October. into the month of October. >> The battered firm has pledged to >> The battered firm has pledged to >> The battered firm has pledged to continue paying the salaries of its lost continue paying the salaries of its lost continue paying the salaries of its lost employees at least through the end of employees at least through the end of employees at least through the end of the year, plus bonuses and family the year, plus bonuses and family the year, plus bonuses and family benefits until 2006. A foundation has benefits until 2006. A foundation has benefits until 2006. A foundation has been set up for long-term assistance, been set up for long-term assistance, been set up for long-term assistance, but whatever they do, founding partners but whatever they do, founding partners but whatever they do, founding partners Fred Price and Tom O'Neal, the O'Neal Fred Price and Tom O'Neal, the O'Neal Fred Price and Tom O'Neal, the O'Neal and Sandler O'Neal say it can never be and Sandler O'Neal say it can never be and Sandler O'Neal say it can never be enough. You talk to a father who's lost enough. You talk to a father who's lost enough. You talk to a father who's lost his second son through this tragedy. A his second son through this tragedy. A his second son through this tragedy. A mother who lost her son that she adored mother who lost her son that she adored mother who lost her son that she adored who couldn't wait for his career to who couldn't wait for his career to who couldn't wait for his career to develop. Um you know a wife who just had develop. Um you know a wife who just had develop. Um you know a wife who just had a baby two months ago who lost her a baby two months ago who lost her a baby two months ago who lost her husband.

husband. husband. >> It comes at you in waves. You know you >> It comes at you in waves. You know you >> It comes at you in waves. You know you be sitting there and as long as I keep be sitting there and as long as I keep be sitting there and as long as I keep on moving I'm all right. And you stop on moving I'm all right. And you stop on moving I'm all right. And you stop and you know it it's it's painful. Uh, and you know it it's it's painful. Uh, and you know it it's it's painful. Uh, but if you say on on adrenaline, I mean, but if you say on on adrenaline, I mean, but if you say on on adrenaline, I mean, I think there's a I think you always I think there's a I think you always I think there's a I think you always work on adrenaline. I mean, it's part of work on adrenaline. I mean, it's part of work on adrenaline. I mean, it's part of the business. the business. the business. >> You hired a lot of young people. >> You hired a lot of young people. >> You hired a lot of young people. >> Yeah, we hire >> Yeah, we hire >> Yeah, we hire >> sons and daughters of of friends of >> sons and daughters of of friends of >> sons and daughters of of friends of yours. yours. yours. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Absolutely. >> Is it made it harder for you? The fact >> Is it made it harder for you? The fact >> Is it made it harder for you? The fact that some of your best that some of your best that some of your best >> Incredibly harder. >> Incredibly harder. >> Incredibly harder. >> I don't know that I'll do it anymore, >> I don't know that I'll do it anymore, >> I don't know that I'll do it anymore, frankly. But I mean I I need to do it frankly. But I mean I I need to do it frankly. But I mean I I need to do it again because it was a good thing and again because it was a good thing and again because it was a good thing and it's you know I can't let you know fear it's you know I can't let you know fear it's you know I can't let you know fear I can't let them win. I can't let them win. I can't let them win. >> Everything all right? How we doing >> Everything all right? How we doing >> Everything all right? How we doing today? today? today? >> How's this guy doing? >> How's this guy doing? >> How's this guy doing? >> I want to go to the wake. >> I want to go to the wake. >> I want to go to the wake. >> Every day now seems to whipssaw between >> Every day now seems to whipssaw between >> Every day now seems to whipssaw between somber responsibilities and the somber responsibilities and the somber responsibilities and the professional celebrations that mark professional celebrations that mark professional celebrations that mark Sandler O'Neal's return to the street. Sandler O'Neal's return to the street. Sandler O'Neal's return to the street. >> So congratulations boys on the job you >> So congratulations boys on the job you >> So congratulations boys on the job you did on the island.

did on the island. did on the island. First deal we announced after 911. First deal we announced after 911. First deal we announced after 911. >> Look at that date. >> Look at that date. >> Look at that date. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right. >> Hey, Billy Boy. Hey, you see this big >> Hey, Billy Boy. Hey, you see this big >> Hey, Billy Boy. Hey, you see this big man? man? man? >> Where's that date? >> Where's that date? >> Where's that date? >> September 18th. >> September 18th. >> September 18th. >> Where's that company? >> Where's that company? >> Where's that company? >> San O'Neal. >> San O'Neal. >> San O'Neal. >> Excellent. >> Excellent. >> Excellent. >> That's a goddamn pretty thing, is it? >> That's a goddamn pretty thing, is it? >> That's a goddamn pretty thing, is it? >> I'm about to go bid on two blocks of >> I'm about to go bid on two blocks of >> I'm about to go bid on two blocks of 30-year gold right now. They are doing 30-year gold right now. They are doing 30-year gold right now. They are doing some deals, holding on to their clients, some deals, holding on to their clients, some deals, holding on to their clients, and feeling confident enough to shop for and feeling confident enough to shop for and feeling confident enough to shop for permanent office space, rebuilding a permanent office space, rebuilding a permanent office space, rebuilding a company they built from scratch 13 years company they built from scratch 13 years company they built from scratch 13 years ago. ago. ago. >> We're going to need uh long-term >> We're going to need uh long-term >> We're going to need uh long-term quarters and uh you know, Herman Sandler quarters and uh you know, Herman Sandler quarters and uh you know, Herman Sandler was a superb real estate guy and and was a superb real estate guy and and was a superb real estate guy and and this you know, would not have been this you know, would not have been this you know, would not have been something that I would have known much something that I would have known much something that I would have known much about or been able to do very good at, about or been able to do very good at, about or been able to do very good at, but uh that that's changed now. Okay. We but uh that that's changed now. Okay. We but uh that that's changed now. Okay. We we have in the firm we have in the firm we have in the firm We had We had We had 70 people. We're going to We're going to 70 people. We're going to We're going to 70 people. We're going to We're going to be about 100 and we're going to grow. be about 100 and we're going to grow. be about 100 and we're going to grow. Okay. Okay. Okay. >> Stock's a little better. There's green.

>> Stock's a little better. There's green. >> Stock's a little better. There's green. Green. I've not seen any of that. Green. I've not seen any of that. Green. I've not seen any of that. >> Got a couple greens. >> Got a couple greens. >> Got a couple greens. >> Got a couple greens. That's encouraging. >> Got a couple greens. That's encouraging. >> Got a couple greens. That's encouraging. >> If I didn't know and I just walked in >> If I didn't know and I just walked in >> If I didn't know and I just walked in here, I would have thought that you had here, I would have thought that you had here, I would have thought that you had been in these offices forever. been in these offices forever. been in these offices forever. >> Uh well, that's uh you know, we we we're >> Uh well, that's uh you know, we we we're >> Uh well, that's uh you know, we we we're like uh you know, to me, we're feel like like uh you know, to me, we're feel like like uh you know, to me, we're feel like we're at war. I mean they attacked we're at war. I mean they attacked we're at war. I mean they attacked United States of America. They attacked United States of America. They attacked United States of America. They attacked the capitalistic structure that we the capitalistic structure that we the capitalistic structure that we flourished under. They attacked our flourished under. They attacked our flourished under. They attacked our little firm and you know and they killed little firm and you know and they killed little firm and you know and they killed our friends. So we we have a low our friends. So we we have a low our friends. So we we have a low tolerance for the petty issues right tolerance for the petty issues right tolerance for the petty issues right now. And that you know if if you can't now. And that you know if if you can't now. And that you know if if you can't adapt and move well then then then you adapt and move well then then then you adapt and move well then then then you know then you have to do something else. know then you have to do something else. know then you have to do something else. So this is this is like combat to me So this is this is like combat to me So this is this is like combat to me right now. right now. right now. >> They were intent on destroying this >> They were intent on destroying this >> They were intent on destroying this country. Um, I don't think we we country. Um, I don't think we we country. Um, I don't think we we appreciated the depth of their appreciated the depth of their appreciated the depth of their hatred, but I think uh for every hatred, but I think uh for every hatred, but I think uh for every percentage that we might have percentage that we might have percentage that we might have underestimated them, I think they've underestimated them, I think they've underestimated them, I think they've very much underestimated us.

Of all the things we heard about Of all the things we heard about September 11th, in many ways, this is September 11th, in many ways, this is September 11th, in many ways, this is the most painful. It's estimated that the most painful. It's estimated that the most painful. It's estimated that 10,000 children lost a parent that day, 10,000 children lost a parent that day, 10,000 children lost a parent that day, a father or a mother who went to work a father or a mother who went to work a father or a mother who went to work and never came home. The children of and never came home. The children of and never came home. The children of September heard the sound of their September heard the sound of their September heard the sound of their parent leaving that morning, not knowing parent leaving that morning, not knowing parent leaving that morning, not knowing that the door was closing on dreams and that the door was closing on dreams and that the door was closing on dreams and hopes and all the days to follow. hopes and all the days to follow. hopes and all the days to follow. >> I think well on September 11th, I would >> I think well on September 11th, I would >> I think well on September 11th, I would tell him not to go to work. tell him not to go to work. tell him not to go to work. I just wish I could take a time travel I just wish I could take a time travel I just wish I could take a time travel and go back in time. And I would also and go back in time. And I would also and go back in time. And I would also tell him that I loved him. tell him that I loved him. tell him that I loved him. >> Danielle Spanelli is 8 years old. That's >> Danielle Spanelli is 8 years old. That's >> Danielle Spanelli is 8 years old. That's her dad, Frank Spanelli. Her brother, her dad, Frank Spanelli. Her brother, her dad, Frank Spanelli. Her brother, Chris, 14, big sister, Nicole, 18, and Chris, 14, big sister, Nicole, 18, and Chris, 14, big sister, Nicole, 18, and their mom, Michelle. their mom, Michelle. their mom, Michelle. >> What do you remember about that morning >> What do you remember about that morning >> What do you remember about that morning with your dad? with your dad? with your dad? >> He would uh kiss us goodbye in the >> He would uh kiss us goodbye in the >> He would uh kiss us goodbye in the morning. And it was just, you know, one morning. And it was just, you know, one morning. And it was just, you know, one of those things that you would just of those things that you would just of those things that you would just maybe roll over and just be like, "Dad, maybe roll over and just be like, "Dad, maybe roll over and just be like, "Dad, it's too early." But he told me one it's too early." But he told me one it's too early." But he told me one time, you know, Nikki, I kiss you and time, you know, Nikki, I kiss you and time, you know, Nikki, I kiss you and your brother and sister goodbye in the your brother and sister goodbye in the your brother and sister goodbye in the morning to uh, you know, let you know morning to uh, you know, let you know morning to uh, you know, let you know that if anything ever happened to me at that if anything ever happened to me at that if anything ever happened to me at work that you would always know that I work that you would always know that I work that you would always know that I loved you.

loved you. loved you. >> Dad spent weekends shuttling the kids to >> Dad spent weekends shuttling the kids to >> Dad spent weekends shuttling the kids to soccer, lacrosse, football. By day, he soccer, lacrosse, football. By day, he soccer, lacrosse, football. By day, he was a foreign exchange broker, but he was a foreign exchange broker, but he was a foreign exchange broker, but he often hurried home from his new job at often hurried home from his new job at often hurried home from his new job at the World Trade Center. September 11th, the World Trade Center. September 11th, the World Trade Center. September 11th, when the first plane hit, he called his when the first plane hit, he called his when the first plane hit, he called his wife so she wouldn't worry. wife so she wouldn't worry. wife so she wouldn't worry. >> Hi, Lenny. It's me. Uh, playing with the >> Hi, Lenny. It's me. Uh, playing with the >> Hi, Lenny. It's me. Uh, playing with the building. Um, I'm okay. Uh, the building. Um, I'm okay. Uh, the building. Um, I'm okay. Uh, the building's on fire. We're trying to get building's on fire. We're trying to get building's on fire. We're trying to get out. I love you. I'll see you later. out. I love you. I'll see you later. out. I love you. I'll see you later. >> Frank Spanelli was found in the wreckage >> Frank Spanelli was found in the wreckage >> Frank Spanelli was found in the wreckage 2 weeks before his 45th birthday. 2 weeks before his 45th birthday. 2 weeks before his 45th birthday. Every birthday, we'd always bake him a Every birthday, we'd always bake him a Every birthday, we'd always bake him a cake and we'd always have presents in cake and we'd always have presents in cake and we'd always have presents in the dining room. the dining room. the dining room. >> Did you bake the cake anyway this year? >> Did you bake the cake anyway this year? >> Did you bake the cake anyway this year? >> Uh, my mom and sister did. Yeah, they >> Uh, my mom and sister did. Yeah, they >> Uh, my mom and sister did. Yeah, they did bake a cake. did bake a cake. did bake a cake. >> I just knew that if he was here that >> I just knew that if he was here that >> I just knew that if he was here that he'd want a cake, so I just decided to he'd want a cake, so I just decided to he'd want a cake, so I just decided to bake it with my mom. bake it with my mom. bake it with my mom. >> How's your mom?

>> How's your mom? >> How's your mom? >> Uh, I guess she's all right. I mean, >> Uh, I guess she's all right. I mean, >> Uh, I guess she's all right. I mean, it's hard for her. I mean, I feel really it's hard for her. I mean, I feel really it's hard for her. I mean, I feel really bad for her. She gets up at 1:00 in the bad for her. She gets up at 1:00 in the bad for her. She gets up at 1:00 in the morning, just can't go back to sleep. morning, just can't go back to sleep. morning, just can't go back to sleep. >> People all over the world are trying to >> People all over the world are trying to >> People all over the world are trying to make sense of this. And I think it's make sense of this. And I think it's make sense of this. And I think it's hard for everyone, kids and grown-ups hard for everyone, kids and grown-ups hard for everyone, kids and grown-ups alike, don't really understand alike, don't really understand alike, don't really understand why this would happen. why this would happen. why this would happen. What do you think of it when you try to What do you think of it when you try to What do you think of it when you try to understand it? understand it? understand it? >> I think that these people just took my >> I think that these people just took my >> I think that these people just took my dad away from us for like no good dad away from us for like no good dad away from us for like no good reason. I don't know why. Like if they reason. I don't know why. Like if they reason. I don't know why. Like if they met him, I I know that they changed met him, I I know that they changed met him, I I know that they changed their mind. They just when their mind. They just when their mind. They just when there were these loving people and then there were these loving people and then there were these loving people and then they just had to take them away. they just had to take them away. they just had to take them away. So that's what I feel of it. >> So many taken away in an instant. This >> So many taken away in an instant. This weekend at Arlington National Cemetery, weekend at Arlington National Cemetery, weekend at Arlington National Cemetery, Tyler and Kelsey Williams said goodbye Tyler and Kelsey Williams said goodbye Tyler and Kelsey Williams said goodbye to their dad, US Army Major Dwayne to their dad, US Army Major Dwayne to their dad, US Army Major Dwayne Williams.

>> I was proud of what he did, but then >> I was proud of what he did, but then again, it was like I just wanted to see again, it was like I just wanted to see again, it was like I just wanted to see his face one last time. his face one last time. his face one last time. >> The Williams moved to the Washington >> The Williams moved to the Washington >> The Williams moved to the Washington area with their father and mother, area with their father and mother, area with their father and mother, Tammy, just three months ago. Dwayne had Tammy, just three months ago. Dwayne had Tammy, just three months ago. Dwayne had a new job at the Pentagon. When their a new job at the Pentagon. When their a new job at the Pentagon. When their father didn't come home that evening, father didn't come home that evening, father didn't come home that evening, 13-year-old Kelsey and Tyler, 17, began 13-year-old Kelsey and Tyler, 17, began 13-year-old Kelsey and Tyler, 17, began to write about their dad. to write about their dad. to write about their dad. >> I feel the pain of my father on my >> I feel the pain of my father on my >> I feel the pain of my father on my heart. I touched my father's face as if heart. I touched my father's face as if heart. I touched my father's face as if he were beside me. he were beside me. he were beside me. >> I couldn't picture life without you, and >> I couldn't picture life without you, and >> I couldn't picture life without you, and now it's here. It's like the devil now it's here. It's like the devil now it's here. It's like the devil looked at my mind and picked my worst looked at my mind and picked my worst looked at my mind and picked my worst fear. fear. fear. >> I say to myself that he is alive. I >> I say to myself that he is alive. I >> I say to myself that he is alive. I dreamed that he's walking through the dreamed that he's walking through the dreamed that he's walking through the door of my house and saying that he is door of my house and saying that he is door of my house and saying that he is okay. okay. okay. >> I let mom lean on me cuz now I stand in >> I let mom lean on me cuz now I stand in >> I let mom lean on me cuz now I stand in your shoes. I don't know how you did it, your shoes. I don't know how you did it, your shoes. I don't know how you did it, but you got us through. Now when you but you got us through. Now when you but you got us through. Now when you look down at me, there's an image of look down at me, there's an image of look down at me, there's an image of you. you. you. >> Now when you look down at me, there's >> Now when you look down at me, there's >> Now when you look down at me, there's the image of you. the image of you. the image of you. >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> Yeah, >> that's you. >> that's you. >> that's you. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> A lot of boys, suddenly young men, see >> A lot of boys, suddenly young men, see >> A lot of boys, suddenly young men, see the image of their father in themselves.

the image of their father in themselves. the image of their father in themselves. Mike Shaw is 16 now, helping to take Mike Shaw is 16 now, helping to take Mike Shaw is 16 now, helping to take care of his sister Nicole and his mother care of his sister Nicole and his mother care of his sister Nicole and his mother Debbie. Debbie. Debbie. >> Now I come home every day after school >> Now I come home every day after school >> Now I come home every day after school to make sure that my mom's okay here. I to make sure that my mom's okay here. I to make sure that my mom's okay here. I go in and check on my sister to make go in and check on my sister to make go in and check on my sister to make sure she's okay. I think that's what my sure she's okay. I think that's what my sure she's okay. I think that's what my dad would have done. dad would have done. dad would have done. >> His dad, Jeff, was an electrician in the >> His dad, Jeff, was an electrician in the >> His dad, Jeff, was an electrician in the World Trade Center. Jeff knew every inch World Trade Center. Jeff knew every inch World Trade Center. Jeff knew every inch of those towers and he loved them. When of those towers and he loved them. When of those towers and he loved them. When the first plane hit, Debbie called his the first plane hit, Debbie called his the first plane hit, Debbie called his cell phone. He told her that it was cell phone. He told her that it was cell phone. He told her that it was really dark. He couldn't see in front of really dark. He couldn't see in front of really dark. He couldn't see in front of him. It was just a lot of smoke and just him. It was just a lot of smoke and just him. It was just a lot of smoke and just didn't look good. Couple of minutes didn't look good. Couple of minutes didn't look good. Couple of minutes later after the second plane hit, she later after the second plane hit, she later after the second plane hit, she called him back. But all my mom heard called him back. But all my mom heard called him back. But all my mom heard was him just running. He was out of was him just running. He was out of was him just running. He was out of breath and he was saying, "Bye. Bye. I breath and he was saying, "Bye. Bye. I breath and he was saying, "Bye. Bye. I love you. Bye." love you. Bye." love you. Bye." >> It has been >> It has been >> It has been more than a month now more than a month now more than a month now and you're still calling his cell phone. and you're still calling his cell phone. and you're still calling his cell phone. Yeah, we have his cell phone still Yeah, we have his cell phone still Yeah, we have his cell phone still connected, so when we call, we could connected, so when we call, we could connected, so when we call, we could just hear his voice and then leave a just hear his voice and then leave a just hear his voice and then leave a message at the end of the night. I like message at the end of the night. I like message at the end of the night. I like to call him before I go to bed. It's my to call him before I go to bed. It's my to call him before I go to bed. It's my way to kind of have a conversation with way to kind of have a conversation with way to kind of have a conversation with him for that day.

him for that day. him for that day. >> Your sister's been calling, too. >> Your sister's been calling, too. >> Your sister's been calling, too. >> Yeah, she calls a lot. She likes to talk >> Yeah, she calls a lot. She likes to talk >> Yeah, she calls a lot. She likes to talk to him. to him. to him. >> What do you say to him? Um, >> What do you say to him? Um, >> What do you say to him? Um, I just whatever went on that day, I tell I just whatever went on that day, I tell I just whatever went on that day, I tell him what I did in school, what I did him what I did in school, what I did him what I did in school, what I did after school, that what we have for after school, that what we have for after school, that what we have for dinner. I wish he was here with us for dinner. I wish he was here with us for dinner. I wish he was here with us for dinner. That I miss him and wherever he dinner. That I miss him and wherever he dinner. That I miss him and wherever he is, I hope that he's doing okay. is, I hope that he's doing okay. is, I hope that he's doing okay. >> We're playing for the district >> We're playing for the district >> We're playing for the district championship. It's second and third. championship. It's second and third. championship. It's second and third. There's one out and Brendan's up at bat. There's one out and Brendan's up at bat. There's one out and Brendan's up at bat. And And And >> Brendan Rean, no doubt, would tell his >> Brendan Rean, no doubt, would tell his >> Brendan Rean, no doubt, would tell his fallen father about this. New York has fallen father about this. New York has fallen father about this. New York has their bravest and Floral Park has their their bravest and Floral Park has their their bravest and Floral Park has their bravest. And our bravest, the way he's bravest. And our bravest, the way he's bravest. And our bravest, the way he's conducted himself, is Brendan Rean. Saturday, his little league team got the Saturday, his little league team got the award for winning last summer's district award for winning last summer's district award for winning last summer's district championship. That game was in July, and championship. That game was in July, and championship. That game was in July, and his dad, New York firefighter Bobby his dad, New York firefighter Bobby his dad, New York firefighter Bobby Rean, was coaching. Brynden got the hit Rean, was coaching. Brynden got the hit Rean, was coaching. Brynden got the hit that won the game.

that won the game. that won the game. Brendan, he was at that game. Brendan, he was at that game. Brendan, he was at that game. >> Yeah, he was keeping the score. >> Yeah, he was keeping the score. >> Yeah, he was keeping the score. >> Got a single. >> Got a single. >> Got a single. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Drove the man on third home. >> Drove the man on third home. >> Drove the man on third home. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Won the championship. >> Won the championship. >> Won the championship. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What did your dad think of that? >> What did your dad think of that? >> What did your dad think of that? >> He Well, first like everyone came over >> He Well, first like everyone came over >> He Well, first like everyone came over and like tackled me and everything and and like tackled me and everything and and like tackled me and everything and then he came out and tried to look for then he came out and tried to look for then he came out and tried to look for me and only like he couldn't find me. me and only like he couldn't find me. me and only like he couldn't find me. >> He must have been thrilled. What did he >> He must have been thrilled. What did he >> He must have been thrilled. What did he say to you? say to you? say to you? >> Nice hit. >> Nice hit. >> Nice hit. >> Nice hit. >> Nice hit. >> Nice hit. If you could say If you could say If you could say anything to your dad now, anything to your dad now, anything to your dad now, what would it be? >> Lieutenant Bobby Rean left behind his >> Lieutenant Bobby Rean left behind his wife of 21 years, Donna, 12-year-old wife of 21 years, Donna, 12-year-old wife of 21 years, Donna, 12-year-old Brendan, and his 16-year-old daughter, Brendan, and his 16-year-old daughter, Brendan, and his 16-year-old daughter, Caitlyn. Caitlyn. Caitlyn. I'm just really happy that he was around I'm just really happy that he was around I'm just really happy that he was around because I noticed that like a lot of my because I noticed that like a lot of my because I noticed that like a lot of my friends dads like they work into the friends dads like they work into the friends dads like they work into the night and I was always really thankful night and I was always really thankful night and I was always really thankful that my dad was around a lot and he that my dad was around a lot and he that my dad was around a lot and he spent a lot of time with us.

spent a lot of time with us. spent a lot of time with us. Caitlyn and Brynden's dad, Lieutenant Caitlyn and Brynden's dad, Lieutenant Caitlyn and Brynden's dad, Lieutenant Regan, was charging into the World Trade Regan, was charging into the World Trade Regan, was charging into the World Trade Center about the same time that Chuck Center about the same time that Chuck Center about the same time that Chuck Zion was likely helping his colleagues Zion was likely helping his colleagues Zion was likely helping his colleagues get out. Zachary is his 18-year-old son. get out. Zachary is his 18-year-old son. get out. Zachary is his 18-year-old son. He had been there in 93 when the He had been there in 93 when the He had been there in 93 when the building had been attacked the last time building had been attacked the last time building had been attacked the last time and it took almost three hours for them and it took almost three hours for them and it took almost three hours for them to get down from up at the 104th, maybe to get down from up at the 104th, maybe to get down from up at the 104th, maybe over 3 hours. And um when I saw the over 3 hours. And um when I saw the over 3 hours. And um when I saw the building actually collapse, building actually collapse, building actually collapse, I I knew that um that it was really I I knew that um that it was really I I knew that um that it was really unlikely that any um any of them made it unlikely that any um any of them made it unlikely that any um any of them made it out because 90 minutes to get down 104 out because 90 minutes to get down 104 out because 90 minutes to get down 104 floors is just not enough. floors is just not enough. floors is just not enough. Chuck loved cooking, football, and golf. Chuck loved cooking, football, and golf. Chuck loved cooking, football, and golf. He was a senior vice president at the He was a senior vice president at the He was a senior vice president at the financial firm Caner Fitzgerald, and financial firm Caner Fitzgerald, and financial firm Caner Fitzgerald, and Zach intends to follow him there. How is Zach intends to follow him there. How is Zach intends to follow him there. How is your America your America your America going to be different from your father's going to be different from your father's going to be different from your father's America? America? America? >> I think that people have realized what a >> I think that people have realized what a >> I think that people have realized what a special place this is, about how lucky special place this is, about how lucky special place this is, about how lucky they are to be here, and what special they are to be here, and what special they are to be here, and what special values that America represents. But it's values that America represents. But it's values that America represents. But it's not something that you just get for not something that you just get for not something that you just get for free. It's something that, you know, you free. It's something that, you know, you free. It's something that, you know, you have to fight for, literally.

have to fight for, literally. have to fight for, literally. >> Chuck Zion leaves behind his wife of 20 >> Chuck Zion leaves behind his wife of 20 >> Chuck Zion leaves behind his wife of 20 years, Carol, and Zach, their only years, Carol, and Zach, their only years, Carol, and Zach, their only child. child. child. >> I'm just grateful that I got as much >> I'm just grateful that I got as much >> I'm just grateful that I got as much time as I did. time as I did. time as I did. You know, there are a lot of kids that You know, there are a lot of kids that You know, there are a lot of kids that are left behind that, you know, won't are left behind that, you know, won't are left behind that, you know, won't have known their parents the way I got have known their parents the way I got have known their parents the way I got to know mine. I was at least lucky to know mine. I was at least lucky to know mine. I was at least lucky enough to realize what a wonderful man enough to realize what a wonderful man enough to realize what a wonderful man my dad was before he left and really my dad was before he left and really my dad was before he left and really admire him. admire him. admire him. >> But Frank Spanelli's younger kids did >> But Frank Spanelli's younger kids did >> But Frank Spanelli's younger kids did not know their dad quite as long. not know their dad quite as long. not know their dad quite as long. >> I always that thought that he was going >> I always that thought that he was going >> I always that thought that he was going to be there. I never thought this was to be there. I never thought this was to be there. I never thought this was going to happen. Just all happened in going to happen. Just all happened in going to happen. Just all happened in matter of minutes. And of course there matter of minutes. And of course there matter of minutes. And of course there were tons of things that I hadn't were tons of things that I hadn't were tons of things that I hadn't learned from him and hadn't been with learned from him and hadn't been with learned from him and hadn't been with him long enough. and uh I really lost a him long enough. and uh I really lost a him long enough. and uh I really lost a lot of key years of my life with him. lot of key years of my life with him. lot of key years of my life with him. >> I think all of us assume that we're >> I think all of us assume that we're >> I think all of us assume that we're always going to have our parents. always going to have our parents. always going to have our parents. Is there anything that was left unsaid Is there anything that was left unsaid Is there anything that was left unsaid or anything that you'd wished you'd done or anything that you'd wished you'd done or anything that you'd wished you'd done and you just always thought you'd have and you just always thought you'd have and you just always thought you'd have the time?

the time? the time? >> Yeah. I mean, there's certain things >> Yeah. I mean, there's certain things >> Yeah. I mean, there's certain things that you just always expect. You expect that you just always expect. You expect that you just always expect. You expect your dad to be there on your high school your dad to be there on your high school your dad to be there on your high school graduation. You expect your dad to be graduation. You expect your dad to be graduation. You expect your dad to be there to walk you down the aisle. you there to walk you down the aisle. you there to walk you down the aisle. you expect your dad to be there for, you expect your dad to be there for, you expect your dad to be there for, you know, your grandkids and just there to know, your grandkids and just there to know, your grandkids and just there to teach you his life lessons that he had teach you his life lessons that he had teach you his life lessons that he had already learned. already learned. already learned. >> And sometimes I just remember what >> And sometimes I just remember what >> And sometimes I just remember what things that he's taught me. The other things that he's taught me. The other things that he's taught me. The other day I was mowing the lawn and I forgot day I was mowing the lawn and I forgot day I was mowing the lawn and I forgot how to uh how it wasn't turning on. So I how to uh how it wasn't turning on. So I how to uh how it wasn't turning on. So I just remembered something that he told just remembered something that he told just remembered something that he told me and didn't turned on work perfectly. me and didn't turned on work perfectly. me and didn't turned on work perfectly. So So So >> the mower. >> the mower. >> the mower. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> If you had an opportunity to say >> If you had an opportunity to say >> If you had an opportunity to say something to your dad, something to your dad, something to your dad, what would it be? what would it be? what would it be? It's really hard after this. Uh, you It's really hard after this. Uh, you It's really hard after this. Uh, you look back and you realize that you're look back and you realize that you're look back and you realize that you're never again going to be able to call never again going to be able to call never again going to be able to call someone dad again. And just to call someone dad again. And just to call someone dad again. And just to call someone by the name dad would just be someone by the name dad would just be someone by the name dad would just be the one thing that I would want. Um, I the one thing that I would want. Um, I the one thing that I would want. Um, I would just like to say, "Dad, I love would just like to say, "Dad, I love would just like to say, "Dad, I love you." you." you." I really wish that I really wish that I really wish that that night that he'd come home from work that night that he'd come home from work that night that he'd come home from work still here alive and just come in and still here alive and just come in and still here alive and just come in and kiss me. Like I'd always whenever I kiss me. Like I'd always whenever I kiss me. Like I'd always whenever I heard the door open, I'd run, jump, heard the door open, I'd run, jump, heard the door open, I'd run, jump, jump, and give him a kiss. And I just jump, and give him a kiss. And I just jump, and give him a kiss. And I just missed that.

missed that. missed that. A birthday cake, A birthday cake, A birthday cake, a cell phone message, the look of the a cell phone message, the look of the a cell phone message, the look of the smile, smile, smile, the crack of the bat. The children of the crack of the bat. The children of the crack of the bat. The children of September wrap themselves in a fabric of September wrap themselves in a fabric of September wrap themselves in a fabric of memories against the cold of a love lost memories against the cold of a love lost memories against the cold of a love lost too soon. You are about to meet one of the men who You are about to meet one of the men who shot Osama bin Laden. Mark Owen recently shot Osama bin Laden. Mark Owen recently shot Osama bin Laden. Mark Owen recently left the Navy's elite counterterrorism left the Navy's elite counterterrorism left the Navy's elite counterterrorism unit, Seal Team 6. Mark Owen is not his unit, Seal Team 6. Mark Owen is not his unit, Seal Team 6. Mark Owen is not his real name. It is the name that he used real name. It is the name that he used real name. It is the name that he used to write a new book about the assault on to write a new book about the assault on to write a new book about the assault on Bin Laden's compound called No Easy Day. Bin Laden's compound called No Easy Day. Bin Laden's compound called No Easy Day. Owen was on the helicopter that crashed Owen was on the helicopter that crashed Owen was on the helicopter that crashed into the compound. He was the second man into the compound. He was the second man into the compound. He was the second man in Bin Laden's bedroom and he took the in Bin Laden's bedroom and he took the in Bin Laden's bedroom and he took the pictures of the body that the world has pictures of the body that the world has pictures of the body that the world has never seen. Owen received a silver star never seen. Owen received a silver star never seen. Owen received a silver star for valor and a purple heart for a wound for valor and a purple heart for a wound for valor and a purple heart for a wound suffered in the raid. But despite all suffered in the raid. But despite all suffered in the raid. But despite all that, Owen told us in his only interview that, Owen told us in his only interview that, Owen told us in his only interview that no easy day is not about him. He that no easy day is not about him. He that no easy day is not about him. He says it's a tribute to the hundreds of says it's a tribute to the hundreds of says it's a tribute to the hundreds of Americans who gathered intelligence, Americans who gathered intelligence, Americans who gathered intelligence, planned, and trained in the 10-year planned, and trained in the 10-year planned, and trained in the 10-year pursuit of the world's most wanted man.

pursuit of the world's most wanted man. pursuit of the world's most wanted man. Seal Team 6, he told us, just took care Seal Team 6, he told us, just took care Seal Team 6, he told us, just took care of the last 40 minutes. of the last 40 minutes. of the last 40 minutes. Was this a mission? Was the plan to kill Was this a mission? Was the plan to kill Was this a mission? Was the plan to kill Osama bin Laden or capture him before Osama bin Laden or capture him before Osama bin Laden or capture him before you went in? you went in? you went in? >> This was absolutely not a kill only >> This was absolutely not a kill only >> This was absolutely not a kill only mission. It was made very clear to us um mission. It was made very clear to us um mission. It was made very clear to us um throughout our our training for this throughout our our training for this throughout our our training for this that hey if given the opportunity this that hey if given the opportunity this that hey if given the opportunity this is this is not an assassination you will is this is not an assassination you will is this is not an assassination you will capture him alive if if feasible. capture him alive if if feasible. capture him alive if if feasible. >> That was the preferred thing. >> That was the preferred thing. >> That was the preferred thing. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> To take him alive if you could. >> To take him alive if you could. >> To take him alive if you could. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean we're not we're not >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean we're not we're not >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean we're not we're not there to assassinate somebody. We there to assassinate somebody. We there to assassinate somebody. We weren't sent in to to murder him. This weren't sent in to to murder him. This weren't sent in to to murder him. This was hey kill or capture. was hey kill or capture. was hey kill or capture. >> We've never heard the story from someone >> We've never heard the story from someone >> We've never heard the story from someone who was there. The raid May 1st, 2011, who was there. The raid May 1st, 2011, who was there. The raid May 1st, 2011, had been years in the making. But in the had been years in the making. But in the had been years in the making. But in the moment, the bestlaid plans failed, moment, the bestlaid plans failed, moment, the bestlaid plans failed, leaving a small team of Americans to leaving a small team of Americans to leaving a small team of Americans to improvise victory from near disaster.

improvise victory from near disaster. improvise victory from near disaster. >> This operation was one of the most >> This operation was one of the most >> This operation was one of the most significant operations in US history, significant operations in US history, significant operations in US history, and it's something that I believe and it's something that I believe and it's something that I believe deserves to be told, right, and deserves deserves to be told, right, and deserves deserves to be told, right, and deserves to to go to go in a book and and stand to to go to go in a book and and stand to to go to go in a book and and stand for itself. you're in disguise as we do for itself. you're in disguise as we do for itself. you're in disguise as we do this interview today and I wonder why. this interview today and I wonder why. this interview today and I wonder why. >> The focus shouldn't be on me. The focus >> The focus shouldn't be on me. The focus >> The focus shouldn't be on me. The focus should be on the book. I'm not trying to should be on the book. I'm not trying to should be on the book. I'm not trying to be special or or a hero or anything. Um be special or or a hero or anything. Um be special or or a hero or anything. Um I'm just trying to tell the bigger I'm just trying to tell the bigger I'm just trying to tell the bigger story. story. story. >> But you're in disguise also for your own >> But you're in disguise also for your own >> But you're in disguise also for your own security. security. security. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Tell me about that. What concerns you? >> Tell me about that. What concerns you? >> Tell me about that. What concerns you? >> You know, the the enemy has a a long >> You know, the the enemy has a a long >> You know, the the enemy has a a long memory. memory. memory. >> And so we spent a long time perfecting a >> And so we spent a long time perfecting a >> And so we spent a long time perfecting a new look for Owen. Before each new look for Owen. Before each new look for Owen. Before each interview, the best artist spent 4 hours interview, the best artist spent 4 hours interview, the best artist spent 4 hours thoroughly changing his appearance. thoroughly changing his appearance. thoroughly changing his appearance. We've used shadows to enhance the We've used shadows to enhance the We've used shadows to enhance the effect, and we've altered his voice. effect, and we've altered his voice. effect, and we've altered his voice. >> When I first joined the Navy, I had >> When I first joined the Navy, I had >> When I first joined the Navy, I had >> Chief Petty Officer Owen was in the Navy >> Chief Petty Officer Owen was in the Navy >> Chief Petty Officer Owen was in the Navy 14 years. He had read about the SEALs in 14 years. He had read about the SEALs in 14 years. He had read about the SEALs in junior high school and set his sights. junior high school and set his sights. junior high school and set his sights. How many times have you been to war How many times have you been to war How many times have you been to war since 911?

since 911? since 911? >> I've done 13 combat deployments. >> I've done 13 combat deployments. >> I've done 13 combat deployments. >> Afghanistan. Afghanistan, Iraq, all >> Afghanistan. Afghanistan, Iraq, all >> Afghanistan. Afghanistan, Iraq, all over. over. over. >> There are several SEAL teams, but Owen >> There are several SEAL teams, but Owen >> There are several SEAL teams, but Owen rose to the very top, a unit called the rose to the very top, a unit called the rose to the very top, a unit called the Naval Special Warfare Development Group, Naval Special Warfare Development Group, Naval Special Warfare Development Group, SEAL Team 6. SEAL Team 6. SEAL Team 6. >> Seal Team Six is made up of a number of >> Seal Team Six is made up of a number of >> Seal Team Six is made up of a number of squadrons. And I wonder, why was your squadrons. And I wonder, why was your squadrons. And I wonder, why was your squadron chosen for this particular squadron chosen for this particular squadron chosen for this particular mission? Was there something special mission? Was there something special mission? Was there something special about you? about you? about you? >> Nope. Nope. Certainly nothing special >> Nope. Nope. Certainly nothing special >> Nope. Nope. Certainly nothing special about me. Nothing special about the the about me. Nothing special about the the about me. Nothing special about the the 24 guys that were chosen. Nothing 24 guys that were chosen. Nothing 24 guys that were chosen. Nothing special about the our squadron. It special about the our squadron. It special about the our squadron. It really could have been any number of really could have been any number of really could have been any number of guys. guys. guys. >> You just happened to be available for >> You just happened to be available for >> You just happened to be available for training. training. training. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> In April 2011, they had just returned >> In April 2011, they had just returned >> In April 2011, they had just returned from Afghanistan when they were told to from Afghanistan when they were told to from Afghanistan when they were told to report to North Carolina for an report to North Carolina for an report to North Carolina for an exercise. Give me the lay of the land exercise. Give me the lay of the land exercise. Give me the lay of the land here. What do we see? here. What do we see? here. What do we see? >> Owen walked into a top secret briefing >> Owen walked into a top secret briefing >> Owen walked into a top secret briefing room, saw a model of a compound, and room, saw a model of a compound, and room, saw a model of a compound, and heard this from his buddies. heard this from his buddies. heard this from his buddies. >> What did they say? today we found Bin >> What did they say? today we found Bin >> What did they say? today we found Bin Laden or we think we found Bin Laden and Laden or we think we found Bin Laden and Laden or we think we found Bin Laden and they want us to uh to come up, you know, they want us to uh to come up, you know, they want us to uh to come up, you know, rehearse and come up with a plan. If if rehearse and come up with a plan. If if rehearse and come up with a plan. If if there's going to be a ground option there's going to be a ground option there's going to be a ground option approved, they want us to rehearse for approved, they want us to rehearse for approved, they want us to rehearse for one.

one. one. >> What did you think? >> What did you think? >> What did you think? >> Awesome. >> Awesome. >> Awesome. >> The mission was Operation Neptune Spear >> The mission was Operation Neptune Spear >> The mission was Operation Neptune Spear under the authority of the CIA. The under the authority of the CIA. The under the authority of the CIA. The agency had tracked a bin Laden courier agency had tracked a bin Laden courier agency had tracked a bin Laden courier to a curious compound in Abadabad, to a curious compound in Abadabad, to a curious compound in Abadabad, Pakistan. They'd been watching the Pakistan. They'd been watching the Pakistan. They'd been watching the compound with satellites. The house compound with satellites. The house compound with satellites. The house seemed too big for the neighborhood. seemed too big for the neighborhood. seemed too big for the neighborhood. There was no telephone connection. The There was no telephone connection. The There was no telephone connection. The people there burned their trash. There people there burned their trash. There people there burned their trash. There was a wall 12 ft high and a walled in was a wall 12 ft high and a walled in was a wall 12 ft high and a walled in balcony. Who lived up there? balcony. Who lived up there? balcony. Who lived up there? >> They briefed us on the individual they >> They briefed us on the individual they >> They briefed us on the individual they were calling the pacer. were calling the pacer. were calling the pacer. >> The pacer. >> The pacer. >> The pacer. >> The pacer. So he would come out of the >> The pacer. So he would come out of the >> The pacer. So he would come out of the house and kind of walk around the yard house and kind of walk around the yard house and kind of walk around the yard to what was assessed to just be getting to what was assessed to just be getting to what was assessed to just be getting exercise. exercise. exercise. >> Where did the pacer pace >> Where did the pacer pace >> Where did the pacer pace >> over here >> over here >> over here >> in this courtyard back here? >> in this courtyard back here? >> in this courtyard back here? >> Right. So he just kind of walk out in >> Right. So he just kind of walk out in >> Right. So he just kind of walk out in here and a lot of the the vegetation out here and a lot of the the vegetation out here and a lot of the the vegetation out here was probably purposely planted so here was probably purposely planted so here was probably purposely planted so surveillance couldn't couldn't see down surveillance couldn't couldn't see down surveillance couldn't couldn't see down on him.

on him. on him. >> And he would just go round and round and >> And he would just go round and round and >> And he would just go round and round and round. round. round. >> Yep. He'd walk around the yard. >> Yep. He'd walk around the yard. >> Yep. He'd walk around the yard. Sometimes he'd walk what they assessed Sometimes he'd walk what they assessed Sometimes he'd walk what they assessed to be a female. They just walk around to be a female. They just walk around to be a female. They just walk around the yard. They never stopped to help the yard. They never stopped to help the yard. They never stopped to help anybody do any work. If there was other anybody do any work. If there was other anybody do any work. If there was other people in the yard working, he never people in the yard working, he never people in the yard working, he never seemed to do any of that. It's above seemed to do any of that. It's above seemed to do any of that. It's above almost above it. almost above it. almost above it. >> Above doing the manual labor, he was the >> Above doing the manual labor, he was the >> Above doing the manual labor, he was the boss, whoever he was. boss, whoever he was. boss, whoever he was. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> The Pacer had been in Abadabad about 5 >> The Pacer had been in Abadabad about 5 >> The Pacer had been in Abadabad about 5 years. It's a wellto-do city of 1 years. It's a wellto-do city of 1 years. It's a wellto-do city of 1 million people. The compound was about a million people. The compound was about a million people. The compound was about a mile from the Pakistani military mile from the Pakistani military mile from the Pakistani military academy. academy. academy. >> In terms of the inside of the house, how >> In terms of the inside of the house, how >> In terms of the inside of the house, how much did you know? much did you know? much did you know? >> Zero. >> Zero. >> Zero. zero. zero. zero. >> So once you went through the door, you >> So once you went through the door, you >> So once you went through the door, you didn't know what you were going to be didn't know what you were going to be didn't know what you were going to be facing, facing, facing, >> right? But again, it goes back to that >> right? But again, it goes back to that >> right? But again, it goes back to that years of experience. I mean, we we've years of experience. I mean, we we've years of experience. I mean, we we've done this a million times. done this a million times. done this a million times. >> Raids like this were common many nights >> Raids like this were common many nights >> Raids like this were common many nights in Afghanistan and Iraq. And looking at in Afghanistan and Iraq. And looking at in Afghanistan and Iraq. And looking at the model, the SEALs didn't think of the model, the SEALs didn't think of the model, the SEALs didn't think of this as particularly challenging. The this as particularly challenging. The this as particularly challenging. The tricky part was getting there. The US tricky part was getting there. The US tricky part was getting there. The US wasn't telling Pakistan so the wasn't telling Pakistan so the wasn't telling Pakistan so the helicopters could be shot down by helicopters could be shot down by helicopters could be shot down by Pakistan's modern air defenses. The Pakistan's modern air defenses. The Pakistan's modern air defenses. The pilots were from the army's 160th pilots were from the army's 160th pilots were from the army's 160th special operations aviation regiment, special operations aviation regiment, special operations aviation regiment, two modified Blackhawks, call signs two modified Blackhawks, call signs two modified Blackhawks, call signs Chalk 1 and Chalk 2 would drop 24 SEALs Chalk 1 and Chalk 2 would drop 24 SEALs Chalk 1 and Chalk 2 would drop 24 SEALs and a Belgian Malininoa combat dog named and a Belgian Malininoa combat dog named and a Belgian Malininoa combat dog named Cairo. Chalk one, which is the one I was Cairo. Chalk one, which is the one I was Cairo. Chalk one, which is the one I was on, was going to hover over the compound on, was going to hover over the compound on, was going to hover over the compound here. We would drop the two fast ropes,

here. We would drop the two fast ropes, here. We would drop the two fast ropes, slide down the ropes into the courtyard slide down the ropes into the courtyard slide down the ropes into the courtyard here, and then go about our business here, and then go about our business here, and then go about our business while chock 2 would land out here just while chock 2 would land out here just while chock 2 would land out here just over here by the road, drop the external over here by the road, drop the external over here by the road, drop the external containment team off. They would provide containment team off. They would provide containment team off. They would provide security external. We'd have a uh two security external. We'd have a uh two security external. We'd have a uh two men and our our combat assault dog would men and our our combat assault dog would men and our our combat assault dog would do a a quick patrol of the perimeter do a a quick patrol of the perimeter do a a quick patrol of the perimeter down to the south and around to make down to the south and around to make down to the south and around to make sure that there was no tunnels sure that there was no tunnels sure that there was no tunnels underneath the walls if somebody did underneath the walls if somebody did underneath the walls if somebody did hear us coming and had time to escape. hear us coming and had time to escape. hear us coming and had time to escape. After dropping those guys off, the After dropping those guys off, the After dropping those guys off, the second healer was going to come up, second healer was going to come up, second healer was going to come up, hover over the third floor, drop off the hover over the third floor, drop off the hover over the third floor, drop off the remaining guys. They would then hop remaining guys. They would then hop remaining guys. They would then hop right down into the balcony, assaulting right down into the balcony, assaulting right down into the balcony, assaulting from the top down, and our guys would from the top down, and our guys would from the top down, and our guys would assault from the bottom up. A few days assault from the bottom up. A few days assault from the bottom up. A few days after getting the mission, they had after getting the mission, they had after getting the mission, they had their plan. And so began weeks of their plan. And so began weeks of their plan. And so began weeks of rehearsals on a full-size version of the rehearsals on a full-size version of the rehearsals on a full-size version of the compound built in North Carolina. compound built in North Carolina. compound built in North Carolina. >> How many times did you assault it? How >> How many times did you assault it? How >> How many times did you assault it? How many times did you train on it? many times did you train on it? many times did you train on it? >> A lot. Between when we got the mission >> A lot. Between when we got the mission >> A lot. Between when we got the mission and when we left for Afghanistan, we and when we left for Afghanistan, we and when we left for Afghanistan, we probably, you know, get probably 100 probably, you know, get probably 100 probably, you know, get probably 100 times.

times. times. >> So, how unusual was this kind of >> So, how unusual was this kind of >> So, how unusual was this kind of training? training? training? >> Yeah, very unusual. I've never I've >> Yeah, very unusual. I've never I've >> Yeah, very unusual. I've never I've never had all the mock-ups. Um, I've never had all the mock-ups. Um, I've never had all the mock-ups. Um, I've never rehearsed for something for three never rehearsed for something for three never rehearsed for something for three weeks. weeks. weeks. >> One rehearsal had an audience. The >> One rehearsal had an audience. The >> One rehearsal had an audience. The nation's highest ranking officer, nation's highest ranking officer, nation's highest ranking officer, Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the head of special Joint Chiefs, the head of special Joint Chiefs, the head of special operations, Admiral Eric Olsen, and operations, Admiral Eric Olsen, and operations, Admiral Eric Olsen, and observers from the White House. observers from the White House. observers from the White House. >> One of the things that I liked after the >> One of the things that I liked after the >> One of the things that I liked after the fact was I remember Admiral Mullen fact was I remember Admiral Mullen fact was I remember Admiral Mullen coming by and talking to each one of us coming by and talking to each one of us coming by and talking to each one of us and then Admiral Olsen as well. And I and then Admiral Olsen as well. And I and then Admiral Olsen as well. And I thought that was that was cool. They, thought that was that was cool. They, thought that was that was cool. They, you know, they they walked by, shook you know, they they walked by, shook you know, they they walked by, shook each of our hands, and said, "Hey, are each of our hands, and said, "Hey, are each of our hands, and said, "Hey, are you guys ready? Can you guys pull us you guys ready? Can you guys pull us you guys ready? Can you guys pull us off?" And and and I'm I'm pretty sure to off?" And and and I'm I'm pretty sure to off?" And and and I'm I'm pretty sure to a man we all said, "Yes, absolutely." a man we all said, "Yes, absolutely." a man we all said, "Yes, absolutely." >> The team got several days off at home >> The team got several days off at home >> The team got several days off at home around Easter. Then in late April, about around Easter. Then in late April, about around Easter. Then in late April, about a month after they got the mission, they a month after they got the mission, they a month after they got the mission, they loaded on a plane bound for a US base in loaded on a plane bound for a US base in loaded on a plane bound for a US base in Afghanistan. The president wasn't Afghanistan. The president wasn't Afghanistan. The president wasn't convinced yet. No one confirmed that Bin convinced yet. No one confirmed that Bin convinced yet. No one confirmed that Bin Laden was the pacer. So, Seal Team 6 was Laden was the pacer. So, Seal Team 6 was Laden was the pacer. So, Seal Team 6 was on standby. One of the passengers on on standby. One of the passengers on on standby. One of the passengers on their plane was a CIA analyst who had their plane was a CIA analyst who had their plane was a CIA analyst who had spent five years on Bin Laden's trail.

spent five years on Bin Laden's trail. spent five years on Bin Laden's trail. >> I can't give her enough credit. I mean, >> I can't give her enough credit. I mean, >> I can't give her enough credit. I mean, she in in my opinion, she kind of teed she in in my opinion, she kind of teed she in in my opinion, she kind of teed up this whole thing and it was just, you up this whole thing and it was just, you up this whole thing and it was just, you know, wicked smart, kind of feisty. Um, know, wicked smart, kind of feisty. Um, know, wicked smart, kind of feisty. Um, and she was, you know, we'd always talk and she was, you know, we'd always talk and she was, you know, we'd always talk back and forth, hey, what, you know, back and forth, hey, what, you know, back and forth, hey, what, you know, what do you think the odds of this are? what do you think the odds of this are? what do you think the odds of this are? What do you think the odds of that are? What do you think the odds of that are? What do you think the odds of that are? You know, hey, you know what? Do you You know, hey, you know what? Do you You know, hey, you know what? Do you think? You think he's there? She's like, think? You think he's there? She's like, think? You think he's there? She's like, 100%. 100% he's there. 100%. 100% he's there. 100%. 100% he's there. >> And you thought what? >> And you thought what? >> And you thought what? >> Well, we'll see. >> Well, we'll see. >> Well, we'll see. >> 3 days later on April 30th, the >> 3 days later on April 30th, the >> 3 days later on April 30th, the president was telling jokes at the president was telling jokes at the president was telling jokes at the annual White House correspondents annual White House correspondents annual White House correspondents dinner. CIA director Leon Petta's belly dinner. CIA director Leon Petta's belly dinner. CIA director Leon Petta's belly laugh was heard all across the room. laugh was heard all across the room. laugh was heard all across the room. Reporters in ball gowns and tuxedos had Reporters in ball gowns and tuxedos had Reporters in ball gowns and tuxedos had no idea that just a few hours before no idea that just a few hours before no idea that just a few hours before President Obama had ordered Panetta to President Obama had ordered Panetta to President Obama had ordered Panetta to launch the raid. Mr. Obama kept to his launch the raid. Mr. Obama kept to his launch the raid. Mr. Obama kept to his schedule, thinking that on this night, schedule, thinking that on this night, schedule, thinking that on this night, it was better to have reporters drinking it was better to have reporters drinking it was better to have reporters drinking and laughing than asking questions. and laughing than asking questions. and laughing than asking questions. >> When did you first hear that the >> When did you first hear that the >> When did you first hear that the president had approved your mission?

president had approved your mission? president had approved your mission? >> The commanding officer of our our >> The commanding officer of our our >> The commanding officer of our our command walked in and said, "Hey, just command walked in and said, "Hey, just command walked in and said, "Hey, just got off the phone. The mission's got off the phone. The mission's got off the phone. The mission's approved." What did you think? approved." What did you think? approved." What did you think? >> This is This is big. This is cool. I'm >> This is This is big. This is cool. I'm >> This is This is big. This is cool. I'm glad I'm a part of it. glad I'm a part of it. glad I'm a part of it. >> The raid was supposed to be April 30th, >> The raid was supposed to be April 30th, >> The raid was supposed to be April 30th, but the weather was bad. The next night, but the weather was bad. The next night, but the weather was bad. The next night, Vice Admiral William McRaven saw the men Vice Admiral William McRaven saw the men Vice Admiral William McRaven saw the men off. He was a SEAL, and he had planned off. He was a SEAL, and he had planned off. He was a SEAL, and he had planned the mission as head of the Joint Special the mission as head of the Joint Special the mission as head of the Joint Special Operations Command. Just before Operations Command. Just before Operations Command. Just before midnight, the Blackhawks started the midnight, the Blackhawks started the midnight, the Blackhawks started the sprint from the US base in Jalalabad, sprint from the US base in Jalalabad, sprint from the US base in Jalalabad, Afghanistan to Abadabad, about 150 mi Afghanistan to Abadabad, about 150 mi Afghanistan to Abadabad, about 150 mi away. The helicopters were blacked out away. The helicopters were blacked out away. The helicopters were blacked out against a clear moonless night. The army against a clear moonless night. The army against a clear moonless night. The army pilots, guided by night vision goggles, pilots, guided by night vision goggles, pilots, guided by night vision goggles, flew high-speed, treetop level under flew high-speed, treetop level under flew high-speed, treetop level under Pakistani radar. This is roughly an hour Pakistani radar. This is roughly an hour Pakistani radar. This is roughly an hour and a half. I remember uh you know we and a half. I remember uh you know we and a half. I remember uh you know we took off, shut the doors and and the the took off, shut the doors and and the the took off, shut the doors and and the the radio call I heard was um you know, hey, radio call I heard was um you know, hey, radio call I heard was um you know, hey, we're we're over the border. We're we're we're over the border. We're we're we're over the border. We're crossing the border into Pakistan. And I crossing the border into Pakistan. And I crossing the border into Pakistan. And I remember thinking, wow, this is okay.

remember thinking, wow, this is okay. remember thinking, wow, this is okay. This is happening. And uh I I swear I This is happening. And uh I I swear I This is happening. And uh I I swear I glanced around the helicopter and and glanced around the helicopter and and glanced around the helicopter and and half the guys were sitting there asleep half the guys were sitting there asleep half the guys were sitting there asleep on the ride in an hour and a half ride. on the ride in an hour and a half ride. on the ride in an hour and a half ride. Guys got to catch a catch a few Z's on Guys got to catch a catch a few Z's on Guys got to catch a catch a few Z's on the way in. the way in. the way in. >> Wait a minute. Your team is flying in to >> Wait a minute. Your team is flying in to >> Wait a minute. Your team is flying in to Osama bin Laden's compound and they're Osama bin Laden's compound and they're Osama bin Laden's compound and they're asleep. asleep. asleep. >> Yeah. No, it's it's your time to just >> Yeah. No, it's it's your time to just >> Yeah. No, it's it's your time to just kind of shut your eyes, relax, you know, kind of shut your eyes, relax, you know, kind of shut your eyes, relax, you know, uh mentally walk through whatever you uh mentally walk through whatever you uh mentally walk through whatever you need to walk through. need to walk through. need to walk through. >> It was about 1:00 in the morning, 66°, >> It was about 1:00 in the morning, 66°, >> It was about 1:00 in the morning, 66°, 65% humidity with calm winds. 65% humidity with calm winds. 65% humidity with calm winds. >> At one minute, we opened the door and I >> At one minute, we opened the door and I >> At one minute, we opened the door and I just kind of swung my legs out and I'm just kind of swung my legs out and I'm just kind of swung my legs out and I'm sitting there looking down. I'm sitting there looking down. I'm sitting there looking down. I'm thinking, "Wow, you know, this is this thinking, "Wow, you know, this is this thinking, "Wow, you know, this is this is a beautiful this is a beautiful is a beautiful this is a beautiful is a beautiful this is a beautiful spot." Houses with pools in the spot." Houses with pools in the spot." Houses with pools in the backyard, well lit, uh, manicured yards, backyard, well lit, uh, manicured yards, backyard, well lit, uh, manicured yards, like, "Wow, this is definitely not, you like, "Wow, this is definitely not, you like, "Wow, this is definitely not, you know, the mud huts of Afghanistan." know, the mud huts of Afghanistan." know, the mud huts of Afghanistan." >> Somehow, there was a blackout in the >> Somehow, there was a blackout in the >> Somehow, there was a blackout in the neighborhood. No one will say whether neighborhood. No one will say whether neighborhood. No one will say whether that was luck or design, but it meant that was luck or design, but it meant that was luck or design, but it meant ideal darkness for the SEALs with their ideal darkness for the SEALs with their ideal darkness for the SEALs with their night vision goggles.

night vision goggles. night vision goggles. >> You could see the compound coming. Mhm. >> You could see the compound coming. Mhm. >> You could see the compound coming. Mhm. >> You had the door to the Blackhawk open >> You had the door to the Blackhawk open >> You had the door to the Blackhawk open >> and your legs were swung outside, >> and your legs were swung outside, >> and your legs were swung outside, >> right? Make a little more room, be >> right? Make a little more room, be >> right? Make a little more room, be faster to, you know, quicker for faster to, you know, quicker for faster to, you know, quicker for everybody to get out and fast rope out everybody to get out and fast rope out everybody to get out and fast rope out of the helicopter. So, everybody's of the helicopter. So, everybody's of the helicopter. So, everybody's getting ready to fast rope. And then all getting ready to fast rope. And then all getting ready to fast rope. And then all of a sudden, we banked hard 90°. Once we of a sudden, we banked hard 90°. Once we of a sudden, we banked hard 90°. Once we went hard 90, it was very apparent that went hard 90, it was very apparent that went hard 90, it was very apparent that some something was wrong. Owen doesn't some something was wrong. Owen doesn't some something was wrong. Owen doesn't know what went wrong, but pilots say know what went wrong, but pilots say know what went wrong, but pilots say that a chopper can lose lift when it that a chopper can lose lift when it that a chopper can lose lift when it drops into the turbulence of its own drops into the turbulence of its own drops into the turbulence of its own downdraft. And the turbulence would have downdraft. And the turbulence would have downdraft. And the turbulence would have been much worse because the downdraft been much worse because the downdraft been much worse because the downdraft was being magnified and reflected by the was being magnified and reflected by the was being magnified and reflected by the compound's walls. compound's walls. compound's walls. >> These pilots are the best in the world. >> These pilots are the best in the world. >> These pilots are the best in the world. You don't you don't get better than You don't you don't get better than You don't you don't get better than these guys. And and typically they just these guys. And and typically they just these guys. And and typically they just boom, they move right in and they stick boom, they move right in and they stick boom, they move right in and they stick it. It's like parking a car for these it. It's like parking a car for these it. It's like parking a car for these guys. and and it was it was a rough it guys. and and it was it was a rough it guys. and and it was it was a rough it was a rough ride. We we were pretty low was a rough ride. We we were pretty low was a rough ride. We we were pretty low tailroad and everything happened to miss tailroad and everything happened to miss tailroad and everything happened to miss this wall here and then we were just this wall here and then we were just this wall here and then we were just kind of sliding and falling out of the kind of sliding and falling out of the kind of sliding and falling out of the sky this way. I was now in the front of sky this way. I was now in the front of sky this way. I was now in the front of the helicopter. Al although I was the helicopter. Al although I was the helicopter. Al although I was sitting on the left side, I was now the sitting on the left side, I was now the sitting on the left side, I was now the front. My buddy right behind me, he uh front. My buddy right behind me, he uh front. My buddy right behind me, he uh pretty much should have fallen out. If pretty much should have fallen out. If pretty much should have fallen out. If it weren't for him hanging on to me, it weren't for him hanging on to me, it weren't for him hanging on to me, there's a good chance I would have been there's a good chance I would have been there's a good chance I would have been thrown from the helicopter. As the thrown from the helicopter. As the thrown from the helicopter. As the helicopter is going down, what were you helicopter is going down, what were you helicopter is going down, what were you thinking?

thinking? thinking? >> This is going to suck, you know. Hey. >> This is going to suck, you know. Hey. >> This is going to suck, you know. Hey. Wow. Wow. Wow. >> The carefully rehearsed plan was out the >> The carefully rehearsed plan was out the >> The carefully rehearsed plan was out the window before the first boot hit the window before the first boot hit the window before the first boot hit the ground. With one helicopter and half the ground. With one helicopter and half the ground. With one helicopter and half the seals crashing, the second helicopter seals crashing, the second helicopter seals crashing, the second helicopter abandoned the roof assault is too risky abandoned the roof assault is too risky abandoned the roof assault is too risky and the seals began to improvise. One and the seals began to improvise. One and the seals began to improvise. One thing was sure now, the people in the thing was sure now, the people in the thing was sure now, the people in the house knew they were coming. The raid on Bin Laden's house was The raid on Bin Laden's house was supposed to be straightforward. Two supposed to be straightforward. Two supposed to be straightforward. Two helicopters, call signs chalk one and helicopters, call signs chalk one and helicopters, call signs chalk one and chalk 2, carried 24 members of Seal Team chalk 2, carried 24 members of Seal Team chalk 2, carried 24 members of Seal Team 6. Each man hauling 60 pounds of gear. 6. Each man hauling 60 pounds of gear. 6. Each man hauling 60 pounds of gear. One group planned to slide down ropes One group planned to slide down ropes One group planned to slide down ropes onto the roof of the house. Mark Owens onto the roof of the house. Mark Owens onto the roof of the house. Mark Owens group planned to rope down into the group planned to rope down into the group planned to rope down into the courtyard. But Owens helicopter crashed courtyard. But Owens helicopter crashed courtyard. But Owens helicopter crashed and now everything was changing for the and now everything was changing for the and now everything was changing for the most important counterterrorism assault most important counterterrorism assault most important counterterrorism assault in US history.

in US history. in US history. >> Tell me about the crash. >> Tell me about the crash. >> Tell me about the crash. >> The pilot mentioned, you know, I >> The pilot mentioned, you know, I >> The pilot mentioned, you know, I remember him mentioning in the remember him mentioning in the remember him mentioning in the rehearsals, he's like, you know, if I rehearsals, he's like, you know, if I rehearsals, he's like, you know, if I have to ditch this thing, I'm going to have to ditch this thing, I'm going to have to ditch this thing, I'm going to try and put it down in this courtyard. try and put it down in this courtyard. try and put it down in this courtyard. >> So that that's exactly what he did. You >> So that that's exactly what he did. You >> So that that's exactly what he did. You could tell you could hear the helicopter could tell you could hear the helicopter could tell you could hear the helicopter winding up. winding up. winding up. >> He was putting all the power on it he >> He was putting all the power on it he >> He was putting all the power on it he could, but it wasn't helping. No, could, but it wasn't helping. No, could, but it wasn't helping. No, nothing. Came in and impacted. Boom. Had nothing. Came in and impacted. Boom. Had nothing. Came in and impacted. Boom. Had the angle been more, the rotors would the angle been more, the rotors would the angle been more, the rotors would have hit the ground, snapped off, and have hit the ground, snapped off, and have hit the ground, snapped off, and and caused us to roll. Had the tail and caused us to roll. Had the tail and caused us to roll. Had the tail rotor hit, obviously would have broke rotor hit, obviously would have broke rotor hit, obviously would have broke and caused us to break and roll. The and caused us to break and roll. The and caused us to break and roll. The loadbearing section of the tail landed loadbearing section of the tail landed loadbearing section of the tail landed precisely on the wall. precisely on the wall. precisely on the wall. >> The strongest part of the tail. Just >> The strongest part of the tail. Just >> The strongest part of the tail. Just happened to land on the wall. happened to land on the wall. happened to land on the wall. >> Yep. And the angle happened to be >> Yep. And the angle happened to be >> Yep. And the angle happened to be perfect. It all came down to inches. perfect. It all came down to inches. perfect. It all came down to inches. Really? Inches either way. We stopped. Really? Inches either way. We stopped. Really? Inches either way. We stopped. The main rotor blades are still turning. The main rotor blades are still turning. The main rotor blades are still turning. I don't think you could recreate that if I don't think you could recreate that if I don't think you could recreate that if you tried. you tried. you tried. >> Lucky. >> Lucky. >> Lucky. Lucky. But again, huge props to these Lucky. But again, huge props to these Lucky. But again, huge props to these pilots. I mean, everybody wants to meet pilots. I mean, everybody wants to meet pilots. I mean, everybody wants to meet the the guy who shot Manlon. I I want to the the guy who shot Manlon. I I want to the the guy who shot Manlon. I I want to meet the pilot. meet the pilot. meet the pilot. I mean, I wouldn't be here if it weren't I mean, I wouldn't be here if it weren't I mean, I wouldn't be here if it weren't for him. for him. for him. >> If the pilot had not brought your >> If the pilot had not brought your >> If the pilot had not brought your helicopter down intact, would the helicopter down intact, would the helicopter down intact, would the mission have failed?

mission have failed? mission have failed? >> No, I don't think so. because Chalk 2 >> No, I don't think so. because Chalk 2 >> No, I don't think so. because Chalk 2 was on the ground and and as soon as was on the ground and and as soon as was on the ground and and as soon as they saw us crash land, that Chalk 2 they saw us crash land, that Chalk 2 they saw us crash land, that Chalk 2 helicopter pilot saw that happen, helicopter pilot saw that happen, helicopter pilot saw that happen, decided not to push the position to go decided not to push the position to go decided not to push the position to go to the roof. And that's one thing that to the roof. And that's one thing that to the roof. And that's one thing that Admiral McCraven said in in one of our Admiral McCraven said in in one of our Admiral McCraven said in in one of our very last rehearsals, briefs, dry runs very last rehearsals, briefs, dry runs very last rehearsals, briefs, dry runs right there in in Afghanistan before we right there in in Afghanistan before we right there in in Afghanistan before we launched. He stood up and he said, "Hey, launched. He stood up and he said, "Hey, launched. He stood up and he said, "Hey, listen. Don't try any fancy stuff. Just listen. Don't try any fancy stuff. Just listen. Don't try any fancy stuff. Just get the guys on the ground and and get the guys on the ground and and get the guys on the ground and and they'll figure it out." You mention in they'll figure it out." You mention in they'll figure it out." You mention in the book that one of the army pilots the book that one of the army pilots the book that one of the army pilots that was flying your team looked to you that was flying your team looked to you that was flying your team looked to you to be about 50 years old. to be about 50 years old. to be about 50 years old. >> He was definitely a little older, >> He was definitely a little older, >> He was definitely a little older, >> but I guess you in in this line of work, >> but I guess you in in this line of work, >> but I guess you in in this line of work, it's experience that matters. it's experience that matters. it's experience that matters. >> Yeah. Yeah. He's probably been flying >> Yeah. Yeah. He's probably been flying >> Yeah. Yeah. He's probably been flying longer than I've been alive, so I I longer than I've been alive, so I I longer than I've been alive, so I I nothing wrong with that. nothing wrong with that. nothing wrong with that. >> They had planned to be on the ground 30 >> They had planned to be on the ground 30 >> They had planned to be on the ground 30 minutes, but now they were running late. minutes, but now they were running late. minutes, but now they were running late. Owen's team landed in this courtyard, Owen's team landed in this courtyard, Owen's team landed in this courtyard, walled off from the house. walled off from the house. walled off from the house. >> So, your team does what? >> So, your team does what? >> So, your team does what? >> I ran out here. I turn around and look >> I ran out here. I turn around and look >> I ran out here. I turn around and look and I see the guys on the left side of and I see the guys on the left side of and I see the guys on the left side of the helicopter. They're sitting right at the helicopter. They're sitting right at the helicopter. They're sitting right at staring at the front door. So, they staring at the front door. So, they staring at the front door. So, they simply hop out and go right to the front simply hop out and go right to the front simply hop out and go right to the front door like nothing happened.

door like nothing happened. door like nothing happened. >> Go right to this door here. >> Go right to this door here. >> Go right to this door here. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> The other helicopter landed outside the >> The other helicopter landed outside the >> The other helicopter landed outside the perimeter wall, dropped all of its perimeter wall, dropped all of its perimeter wall, dropped all of its seals, and took off. Now, what's your seals, and took off. Now, what's your seals, and took off. Now, what's your objective? What's your team supposed to objective? What's your team supposed to objective? What's your team supposed to do right now? do right now? do right now? >> We are clearing and securing the >> We are clearing and securing the >> We are clearing and securing the southern compound. You expect to find southern compound. You expect to find southern compound. You expect to find people in this building and you want to people in this building and you want to people in this building and you want to clear that building so the rest of the clear that building so the rest of the clear that building so the rest of the team can do what they need to do in team can do what they need to do in team can do what they need to do in here. here. here. >> Exactly. I think what Seals are good at >> Exactly. I think what Seals are good at >> Exactly. I think what Seals are good at is what I consider pickup basketball. We is what I consider pickup basketball. We is what I consider pickup basketball. We all know how to play the game. You know, all know how to play the game. You know, all know how to play the game. You know, our you hear the saying in the teams is our you hear the saying in the teams is our you hear the saying in the teams is can you shoot, move, and communicate. can you shoot, move, and communicate. can you shoot, move, and communicate. So, we all know how to shoot. We all So, we all know how to shoot. We all So, we all know how to shoot. We all know how to move efficiently and and know how to move efficiently and and know how to move efficiently and and tactically, and we can communicate tactically, and we can communicate tactically, and we can communicate clearly. So, when something goes clearly. So, when something goes clearly. So, when something goes sideways, we're able to play that pickup sideways, we're able to play that pickup sideways, we're able to play that pickup basketball and just kind of read off basketball and just kind of read off basketball and just kind of read off each other. Now, the SEALs were in each other. Now, the SEALs were in each other. Now, the SEALs were in several groups. One group was outside several groups. One group was outside several groups. One group was outside the perimeter wall to make sure no one the perimeter wall to make sure no one the perimeter wall to make sure no one escaped. The group that was supposed to escaped. The group that was supposed to escaped. The group that was supposed to rope to the roof was outside the wall rope to the roof was outside the wall rope to the roof was outside the wall looking for a way in. Owen led his team looking for a way in. Owen led his team looking for a way in. Owen led his team to the outer building where they to the outer building where they to the outer building where they expected to find one of Bin Laden's expected to find one of Bin Laden's expected to find one of Bin Laden's couriers.

couriers. couriers. >> We got to the door. Obviously, we made >> We got to the door. Obviously, we made >> We got to the door. Obviously, we made tons of noise at this point. It had tons of noise at this point. It had tons of noise at this point. It had taken a little longer to get there. So, taken a little longer to get there. So, taken a little longer to get there. So, you know, the element of surprise is is you know, the element of surprise is is you know, the element of surprise is is slipping away quickly. We got to the the slipping away quickly. We got to the the slipping away quickly. We got to the the double doors. I tried it once real double doors. I tried it once real double doors. I tried it once real quick. It was locked. My buddy was with quick. It was locked. My buddy was with quick. It was locked. My buddy was with me. He's carrying a sledgehammer. Pulls me. He's carrying a sledgehammer. Pulls me. He's carrying a sledgehammer. Pulls it out. Gives it a couple good swings. it out. Gives it a couple good swings. it out. Gives it a couple good swings. Nothing. Doors not going anywhere. Kind Nothing. Doors not going anywhere. Kind Nothing. Doors not going anywhere. Kind of solid metal. Um, so I'm like, "Okay, of solid metal. Um, so I'm like, "Okay, of solid metal. Um, so I'm like, "Okay, we're going explosive. We all carry we're going explosive. We all carry we're going explosive. We all carry explosive charges." I pulled one off, explosive charges." I pulled one off, explosive charges." I pulled one off, got on my knee, and started setting it. got on my knee, and started setting it. got on my knee, and started setting it. And right as I was attaching it, round And right as I was attaching it, round And right as I was attaching it, round started coming through the door at us. started coming through the door at us. started coming through the door at us. >> Somebody started shooting at you from >> Somebody started shooting at you from >> Somebody started shooting at you from inside the house, and the and the inside the house, and the and the inside the house, and the and the bullets were coming through the door. bullets were coming through the door. bullets were coming through the door. >> Yep. Immediately my buddy who was who >> Yep. Immediately my buddy who was who >> Yep. Immediately my buddy who was who was standing up started returning fire. was standing up started returning fire. was standing up started returning fire. I could Yeah. I kind of rolled away from I could Yeah. I kind of rolled away from I could Yeah. I kind of rolled away from the door blindly returned fire back the door blindly returned fire back the door blindly returned fire back through. You couldn't see what was on through. You couldn't see what was on through. You couldn't see what was on the other side and then it went quiet. the other side and then it went quiet. the other side and then it went quiet. Thankfully the seal that was there with Thankfully the seal that was there with Thankfully the seal that was there with me that initially returned fire with me me that initially returned fire with me me that initially returned fire with me spoke Arabic. So he immediately started spoke Arabic. So he immediately started spoke Arabic. So he immediately started calling out to the people inside started calling out to the people inside started calling out to the people inside started hearing the metal latch on the inside of hearing the metal latch on the inside of hearing the metal latch on the inside of the door. What are they are they going the door. What are they are they going the door. What are they are they going to come out with a suicide vest? Are to come out with a suicide vest? Are to come out with a suicide vest? Are they going to throw a hand grenade out?

they going to throw a hand grenade out? they going to throw a hand grenade out? Are they going to, you know, spray their Are they going to, you know, spray their Are they going to, you know, spray their AK? Door opens up, a female holding the AK? Door opens up, a female holding the AK? Door opens up, a female holding the kid, couple kids right behind her. kid, couple kids right behind her. kid, couple kids right behind her. >> You got your finger on your trigger and >> You got your finger on your trigger and >> You got your finger on your trigger and you're looking at a woman with her you're looking at a woman with her you're looking at a woman with her children. children. children. >> Yeah. Yeah. Split second. I mean, we >> Yeah. Yeah. Split second. I mean, we >> Yeah. Yeah. Split second. I mean, we just received fire. My buddy's speaking just received fire. My buddy's speaking just received fire. My buddy's speaking Arabic. He's asking her, you know, "Hey, Arabic. He's asking her, you know, "Hey, Arabic. He's asking her, you know, "Hey, where's your husband? What's going on?" where's your husband? What's going on?" where's your husband? What's going on?" And she replies back to him, "He's dead. And she replies back to him, "He's dead. And she replies back to him, "He's dead. You shot him." You shot him." You shot him." Owen didn't notice until later, but he Owen didn't notice until later, but he Owen didn't notice until later, but he was bleeding. A shoulder wound from a was bleeding. A shoulder wound from a was bleeding. A shoulder wound from a fragment of something in the firefight. fragment of something in the firefight. fragment of something in the firefight. >> Yeah, I just got a little piece of frag >> Yeah, I just got a little piece of frag >> Yeah, I just got a little piece of frag in my shoulder from some of the rounds in my shoulder from some of the rounds in my shoulder from some of the rounds that came through. It really wasn't a that came through. It really wasn't a that came through. It really wasn't a major wound at all, but um I carry a set major wound at all, but um I carry a set major wound at all, but um I carry a set of bolt cutters to cut locks with. When of bolt cutters to cut locks with. When of bolt cutters to cut locks with. When I got back, you know, I was checking my I got back, you know, I was checking my I got back, you know, I was checking my gears, any holes or anything, and and I gears, any holes or anything, and and I gears, any holes or anything, and and I pull out the bolt cutters and I've got pull out the bolt cutters and I've got pull out the bolt cutters and I've got the bullet stuck in the handle. So, the the bullet stuck in the handle. So, the the bullet stuck in the handle. So, the bullet just just missed me by a little bullet just just missed me by a little bullet just just missed me by a little bit. the handles stick up either side of bit. the handles stick up either side of bit. the handles stick up either side of my head. my head. my head. >> Right. Right by your neck. But you don't >> Right. Right by your neck. But you don't >> Right. Right by your neck. But you don't consider that to be a big deal. consider that to be a big deal. consider that to be a big deal. >> No. Plenty of other guys have have >> No. Plenty of other guys have have >> No. Plenty of other guys have have suffered much much much worse. So, it's suffered much much much worse. So, it's suffered much much much worse. So, it's not not a big deal.

not not a big deal. not not a big deal. >> Within 5 minutes, Owen's team cleared >> Within 5 minutes, Owen's team cleared >> Within 5 minutes, Owen's team cleared the outer house. More SEALs entered the the outer house. More SEALs entered the the outer house. More SEALs entered the compound and converged on the first compound and converged on the first compound and converged on the first floor of the main building. Inside, they floor of the main building. Inside, they floor of the main building. Inside, they found another courier with an assault found another courier with an assault found another courier with an assault rifle. rifle. rifle. >> Those seals were in the process of >> Those seals were in the process of >> Those seals were in the process of shooting the second gunman. Right. shooting the second gunman. Right. shooting the second gunman. Right. >> And his wife jumped in front of him. >> And his wife jumped in front of him. >> And his wife jumped in front of him. >> All the women on target were very >> All the women on target were very >> All the women on target were very hostile. Something very different than hostile. Something very different than hostile. Something very different than what we see in Afghanistan or Iraq. You what we see in Afghanistan or Iraq. You what we see in Afghanistan or Iraq. You typically don't see the women that are typically don't see the women that are typically don't see the women that are this aggressive and and hostile. Even this aggressive and and hostile. Even this aggressive and and hostile. Even though the the females had come out of though the the females had come out of though the the females had come out of this building and talked to us, they this building and talked to us, they this building and talked to us, they were still very combative and were still very combative and were still very combative and aggressive. So, and we saw that aggressive. So, and we saw that aggressive. So, and we saw that throughout the entire compound, even all throughout the entire compound, even all throughout the entire compound, even all the way up on the third floor. the way up on the third floor. the way up on the third floor. >> They secured the ground floor and then >> They secured the ground floor and then >> They secured the ground floor and then the second floor. The team continued to the second floor. The team continued to the second floor. The team continued to head up these stairs. single file. The head up these stairs. single file. The head up these stairs. single file. The first seal in line is called the point first seal in line is called the point first seal in line is called the point man. Owen at this point was right behind man. Owen at this point was right behind man. Owen at this point was right behind him, number two, going up to the third him, number two, going up to the third him, number two, going up to the third floor. The seals had been told they floor. The seals had been told they floor. The seals had been told they could expect one of Osama bin Laden's could expect one of Osama bin Laden's could expect one of Osama bin Laden's sons.

sons. sons. >> Guys start making their way up the >> Guys start making their way up the >> Guys start making their way up the stairs and um it's quiet. It's pitch stairs and um it's quiet. It's pitch stairs and um it's quiet. It's pitch black in the house. No, no lights, all black in the house. No, no lights, all black in the house. No, no lights, all night vision. Get to the second floor. night vision. Get to the second floor. night vision. Get to the second floor. Intel had said, "We think that Khaled, Intel had said, "We think that Khaled, Intel had said, "We think that Khaled, his son, lives on the second floor. his son, lives on the second floor. his son, lives on the second floor. >> This is Osama bin Laden's son." >> This is Osama bin Laden's son." >> This is Osama bin Laden's son." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> The guy in front of me who's who's point >> The guy in front of me who's who's point >> The guy in front of me who's who's point man. He sees the head pop out and man. He sees the head pop out and man. He sees the head pop out and disappear really quick around the disappear really quick around the disappear really quick around the corner. corner. corner. It's like, "Okay, you know what? Do you It's like, "Okay, you know what? Do you It's like, "Okay, you know what? Do you Who is it? What do you think? I I don't Who is it? What do you think? I I don't Who is it? What do you think? I I don't know." He literally whispers, know." He literally whispers, know." He literally whispers, not not amped up, not yelling, not not not amped up, not yelling, not not not amped up, not yelling, not anything. He He whispers, "Hey, Khaled. anything. He He whispers, "Hey, Khaled. anything. He He whispers, "Hey, Khaled. Khaled." whispers Khaled's name. Khaled." whispers Khaled's name. Khaled." whispers Khaled's name. Doesn't know if it's Khed or not. Khaled Doesn't know if it's Khed or not. Khaled Doesn't know if it's Khed or not. Khaled literally looks back around the around literally looks back around the around literally looks back around the around the edge of the the hall and he shoots the edge of the the hall and he shoots the edge of the the hall and he shoots him. What was Khaled thinking at that him. What was Khaled thinking at that him. What was Khaled thinking at that time? Look around the corner. You know, time? Look around the corner. You know, time? Look around the corner. You know, Curiosity killed the cat. Curiosity killed the cat. Curiosity killed the cat. I guess Khaled, too. I guess Khaled, too. I guess Khaled, too. >> It had been 15 minutes since the crash. >> It had been 15 minutes since the crash. >> It had been 15 minutes since the crash. It was now about 1:15 a.m.

It was now about 1:15 a.m. It was now about 1:15 a.m. >> Give me a sense of what this scene is >> Give me a sense of what this scene is >> Give me a sense of what this scene is like in there. I mean, are these guys like in there. I mean, are these guys like in there. I mean, are these guys yelling and charging up the stairs? Is yelling and charging up the stairs? Is yelling and charging up the stairs? Is there a lot of action? How's it there a lot of action? How's it there a lot of action? How's it unfolding? unfolding? unfolding? >> You know, it's it's not like the movies. >> You know, it's it's not like the movies. >> You know, it's it's not like the movies. You know, the movies make it out to be, You know, the movies make it out to be, You know, the movies make it out to be, you know, loud and and crazy and you know, loud and and crazy and you know, loud and and crazy and everybody's yelling. It's this is what everybody's yelling. It's this is what everybody's yelling. It's this is what we do. We're really good at it. And so, we do. We're really good at it. And so, we do. We're really good at it. And so, it's quiet, calm, like we've done it a it's quiet, calm, like we've done it a it's quiet, calm, like we've done it a million times before. We have a saying, million times before. We have a saying, million times before. We have a saying, you know, don't don't run to your death. you know, don't don't run to your death. you know, don't don't run to your death. So, nice and slow and we head up the So, nice and slow and we head up the So, nice and slow and we head up the stairs. stairs. stairs. >> Khaled is dead on this landing. The >> Khaled is dead on this landing. The >> Khaled is dead on this landing. The point man is stepping past Khaled and point man is stepping past Khaled and point man is stepping past Khaled and now you're number two in the stack. now you're number two in the stack. now you're number two in the stack. You're right behind the point man. You're right behind the point man. You're right behind the point man. >> Yep. I kind of trying to look around >> Yep. I kind of trying to look around >> Yep. I kind of trying to look around him, hear him take a couple shots, kind him, hear him take a couple shots, kind him, hear him take a couple shots, kind of see a head, somebody disappear back of see a head, somebody disappear back of see a head, somebody disappear back into the room. into the room. into the room. >> The point man had seen someone stick his >> The point man had seen someone stick his >> The point man had seen someone stick his head out a door. head out a door. head out a door. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And shot him just the way he'd shot >> And shot him just the way he'd shot >> And shot him just the way he'd shot Khaled. Khaled. Khaled. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> What did you do then? >> What did you do then? >> What did you do then? >> Um inside the room I could see a body >> Um inside the room I could see a body >> Um inside the room I could see a body laying on the ground. over him was was laying on the ground. over him was was laying on the ground. over him was was two females real close to the door. They two females real close to the door. They two females real close to the door. They looked up and saw the saw the point man.

looked up and saw the saw the point man. looked up and saw the saw the point man. He steps in to the room, literally He steps in to the room, literally He steps in to the room, literally rushes the two women, grabs one under rushes the two women, grabs one under rushes the two women, grabs one under each arm and pushes them back against each arm and pushes them back against each arm and pushes them back against the far wall. So if they did have a the far wall. So if they did have a the far wall. So if they did have a suicide vest on and they did blow suicide vest on and they did blow suicide vest on and they did blow themselves up that they wouldn't that themselves up that they wouldn't that themselves up that they wouldn't that that wouldn't affect the rest of the that wouldn't affect the rest of the that wouldn't affect the rest of the guys. guys. guys. >> But it would have killed him. >> But it would have killed him. >> But it would have killed him. >> Yep. You stepped into the room and saw the You stepped into the room and saw the man lying on the floor. What did you do? man lying on the floor. What did you do? man lying on the floor. What did you do? >> Myself and the the next assaulter in. We >> Myself and the the next assaulter in. We >> Myself and the the next assaulter in. We both engaged him several more times and both engaged him several more times and both engaged him several more times and then rolled off and then continued then rolled off and then continued then rolled off and then continued clearing the room. clearing the room. clearing the room. >> When you say you engaged him, what do >> When you say you engaged him, what do >> When you say you engaged him, what do you mean? you mean? you mean? >> Fired. >> Fired. >> Fired. >> You shot him? >> You shot him? >> You shot him? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He's still moving >> He's still moving >> He's still moving >> a a little bit, but you couldn't see his >> a a little bit, but you couldn't see his >> a a little bit, but you couldn't see his arms. Couldn't see his hands. So, he arms. Couldn't see his hands. So, he arms. Couldn't see his hands. So, he could have had something could have had could have had something could have had could have had something could have had a hand grenade or something underneath a hand grenade or something underneath a hand grenade or something underneath his chest. So, after Osama bin Laden is his chest. So, after Osama bin Laden is his chest. So, after Osama bin Laden is is wounded, he's still moving. You shot is wounded, he's still moving. You shot is wounded, he's still moving. You shot him twice? him twice? him twice? >> A handful of times. >> A handful of times. >> A handful of times. >> A handful of times. And the seal in the >> A handful of times. And the seal in the >> A handful of times. And the seal in the stack behind you also shot Osama bin stack behind you also shot Osama bin stack behind you also shot Osama bin Laden. And at that point, his body was Laden. And at that point, his body was Laden. And at that point, his body was still.

still. still. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Did you recognize it? >> Did you recognize it? >> Did you recognize it? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> You know, everybody thinks it was like, >> You know, everybody thinks it was like, >> You know, everybody thinks it was like, you know, it's him. No. To us at that you know, it's him. No. To us at that you know, it's him. No. To us at that time, it could have been anybody. Maybe time, it could have been anybody. Maybe time, it could have been anybody. Maybe this is another brother. Maybe this is a this is another brother. Maybe this is a this is another brother. Maybe this is a bodyguard. Maybe. It doesn't matter. The bodyguard. Maybe. It doesn't matter. The bodyguard. Maybe. It doesn't matter. The point is is to just continue clearing. point is is to just continue clearing. point is is to just continue clearing. >> By now, 20 minutes had passed. Every >> By now, 20 minutes had passed. Every >> By now, 20 minutes had passed. Every single thing the woman with the CIA had single thing the woman with the CIA had single thing the woman with the CIA had told them on the plane had been right, told them on the plane had been right, told them on the plane had been right, but time was running out. Throughout the but time was running out. Throughout the but time was running out. Throughout the raid, the remaining helicopter was in raid, the remaining helicopter was in raid, the remaining helicopter was in the air. It only had enough gas to stay the air. It only had enough gas to stay the air. It only had enough gas to stay for 30 minutes or so. Pakistani for 30 minutes or so. Pakistani for 30 minutes or so. Pakistani neighbors had discovered the seals neighbors had discovered the seals neighbors had discovered the seals posted outside the compound wall and it posted outside the compound wall and it posted outside the compound wall and it couldn't be long before the Pakistani couldn't be long before the Pakistani couldn't be long before the Pakistani military would know they were there. One military would know they were there. One military would know they were there. One seal was charged with keeping an eye on seal was charged with keeping an eye on seal was charged with keeping an eye on his wristwatch and calling out the his wristwatch and calling out the his wristwatch and calling out the dwindling time on the radio. 20 minutes dwindling time on the radio. 20 minutes dwindling time on the radio. 20 minutes 15 10 We'll be right back.

As time was slipping away, Mark Owen and As time was slipping away, Mark Owen and a couple of other members of Seal Team 6 a couple of other members of Seal Team 6 a couple of other members of Seal Team 6 kneled around a mangled body on the kneled around a mangled body on the kneled around a mangled body on the third floor of the house in Abadabad, third floor of the house in Abadabad, third floor of the house in Abadabad, Pakistan. Everything the CIA analyst Pakistan. Everything the CIA analyst Pakistan. Everything the CIA analyst told them about the raid on Osama bin told them about the raid on Osama bin told them about the raid on Osama bin Laden's house had checked out exactly as Laden's house had checked out exactly as Laden's house had checked out exactly as she said. But was this Bin Laden? she said. But was this Bin Laden? she said. But was this Bin Laden? You know, in my mind, he looked way You know, in my mind, he looked way You know, in my mind, he looked way younger than I thought he was going to younger than I thought he was going to younger than I thought he was going to be. His beard wasn't gray at all. You be. His beard wasn't gray at all. You be. His beard wasn't gray at all. You know, I studied a lot of lots of photos know, I studied a lot of lots of photos know, I studied a lot of lots of photos of him, and you know, they were always of him, and you know, they were always of him, and you know, they were always gray. His beard was was dark black. gray. His beard was was dark black. gray. His beard was was dark black. Identifiably, he was very tall. So, Identifiably, he was very tall. So, Identifiably, he was very tall. So, okay, you know, I can kind of chalk that okay, you know, I can kind of chalk that okay, you know, I can kind of chalk that up as as something. up as as something. up as as something. >> Bin Laden was about 6'4, >> Bin Laden was about 6'4, >> Bin Laden was about 6'4, >> right? His nose to me was something that >> right? His nose to me was something that >> right? His nose to me was something that I could I could kind of identify. So, I could I could kind of identify. So, I could I could kind of identify. So, you know, kind of looking at the profile you know, kind of looking at the profile you know, kind of looking at the profile shots and everything, I was like, "Okay, shots and everything, I was like, "Okay, shots and everything, I was like, "Okay, I was I was pretty sure that was him." I was I was pretty sure that was him." I was I was pretty sure that was him." But, you know, I'm not willing to make But, you know, I'm not willing to make But, you know, I'm not willing to make that call. Um, certainly not at that that call. Um, certainly not at that that call. Um, certainly not at that point. point. point. >> Not willing because Owen says they >> Not willing because Owen says they >> Not willing because Owen says they suspected the president was listening at suspected the president was listening at suspected the president was listening at the White House, and he was right. The the White House, and he was right. The the White House, and he was right. The helicopter crash had been reported up helicopter crash had been reported up helicopter crash had been reported up the chain of command. Owen says the the chain of command. Owen says the the chain of command. Owen says the SEALs wanted proof before anyone said SEALs wanted proof before anyone said SEALs wanted proof before anyone said anything on the radio about killing anything on the radio about killing anything on the radio about killing Osama bin Laden. They turned to one of Osama bin Laden. They turned to one of Osama bin Laden. They turned to one of the seals in the room who spoke Arabic.

the seals in the room who spoke Arabic. the seals in the room who spoke Arabic. >> So he moved out to where the women and >> So he moved out to where the women and >> So he moved out to where the women and kids were, grabs one of the the younger kids were, grabs one of the the younger kids were, grabs one of the the younger kids, says, "Hey, who who is that kids, says, "Hey, who who is that kids, says, "Hey, who who is that inside?" She says, "Osama." "Os who?" inside?" She says, "Osama." "Os who?" inside?" She says, "Osama." "Os who?" "Osam bin Laden." "Osam bin Laden." "Osam bin Laden." >> The the child. >> The the child. >> The the child. >> The child >> The child >> The child >> identified him. >> identified him. >> identified him. >> Yeah. Grabbed one of the females, asked >> Yeah. Grabbed one of the females, asked >> Yeah. Grabbed one of the females, asked her again. Say, "Hey, who is that?" She her again. Say, "Hey, who is that?" She her again. Say, "Hey, who is that?" She said, "Osam bin Laden." So, said, "Osam bin Laden." So, said, "Osam bin Laden." So, >> does a cheer go up among the seals? You >> does a cheer go up among the seals? You >> does a cheer go up among the seals? You start shaking hands, patting each other start shaking hands, patting each other start shaking hands, patting each other on the back. on the back. on the back. >> No, nothing. It's all all business. 4:00 >> No, nothing. It's all all business. 4:00 >> No, nothing. It's all all business. 4:00 here. So, we call up the commanding here. So, we call up the commanding here. So, we call up the commanding officer. He comes upstairs, looks at the officer. He comes upstairs, looks at the officer. He comes upstairs, looks at the body. We give him what we have so far. body. We give him what we have so far. body. We give him what we have so far. Or, hey, here's what he looks like. Take Or, hey, here's what he looks like. Take Or, hey, here's what he looks like. Take a look. He's tall. Women and kid confirm a look. He's tall. Women and kid confirm a look. He's tall. Women and kid confirm it. He took one look, said, "Okay, I it. He took one look, said, "Okay, I it. He took one look, said, "Okay, I think that's him." think that's him." think that's him." >> The commander used the code word for Bin >> The commander used the code word for Bin >> The commander used the code word for Bin Laden, Geronimo. As he passed the Laden, Geronimo. As he passed the Laden, Geronimo. As he passed the message to Admiral McRaven, "For God and message to Admiral McRaven, "For God and message to Admiral McRaven, "For God and country," he said, "I pass Geronimo." country," he said, "I pass Geronimo." country," he said, "I pass Geronimo." Geronimo. E K I A which stands for enemy Geronimo. E K I A which stands for enemy Geronimo. E K I A which stands for enemy killed in action.

killed in action. killed in action. >> 20 minutes had passed. 10 minutes left >> 20 minutes had passed. 10 minutes left >> 20 minutes had passed. 10 minutes left on the schedule. on the schedule. on the schedule. >> We wanted to collect DNA samples. We >> We wanted to collect DNA samples. We >> We wanted to collect DNA samples. We wanted to take photographs of them and wanted to take photographs of them and wanted to take photographs of them and then we wanted duplicate copies of that. then we wanted duplicate copies of that. then we wanted duplicate copies of that. So obviously we're taking the body out, So obviously we're taking the body out, So obviously we're taking the body out, but if a helicopter got shot down on the but if a helicopter got shot down on the but if a helicopter got shot down on the way out and it had the body, we wanted way out and it had the body, we wanted way out and it had the body, we wanted the other helicopter to have DNA and the other helicopter to have DNA and the other helicopter to have DNA and photos so they'd have some sort of photos so they'd have some sort of photos so they'd have some sort of evidence that said, "Hey, we do have evidence that said, "Hey, we do have evidence that said, "Hey, we do have them and here it is." them and here it is." them and here it is." >> You wanted duplicates of everything. >> You wanted duplicates of everything. >> You wanted duplicates of everything. >> Yeah, just in case. >> Yeah, just in case. >> Yeah, just in case. >> You thought of everything. >> You thought of everything. >> You thought of everything. >> We tried. >> We tried. >> We tried. >> One seal took blood and saliva samples. >> One seal took blood and saliva samples. >> One seal took blood and saliva samples. Owen took the pictures. Owen took the pictures. Owen took the pictures. >> I figured these were the probably some >> I figured these were the probably some >> I figured these were the probably some of the most important photos I'd ever of the most important photos I'd ever of the most important photos I'd ever taken in my life. So, you know, make taken in my life. So, you know, make taken in my life. So, you know, make sure I do it right. get good angles and sure I do it right. get good angles and sure I do it right. get good angles and and all this other stuff, but you know, and all this other stuff, but you know, and all this other stuff, but you know, you got to clean off the face so you as you got to clean off the face so you as you got to clean off the face so you as identifiable as possible. So, one of my identifiable as possible. So, one of my identifiable as possible. So, one of my buddies had a camel back with with some buddies had a camel back with with some buddies had a camel back with with some water in it. Got some, you know, spread water in it. Got some, you know, spread water in it. Got some, you know, spread some water on him, took a sheet off the some water on him, took a sheet off the some water on him, took a sheet off the bed, kind of wiped the blood off, and bed, kind of wiped the blood off, and bed, kind of wiped the blood off, and then took photos. Wiping the blood off then took photos. Wiping the blood off then took photos. Wiping the blood off of Osama bin Laden's face.

of Osama bin Laden's face. of Osama bin Laden's face. >> Camelback is one of those backpacks that >> Camelback is one of those backpacks that >> Camelback is one of those backpacks that has a water bladder in it, and you use has a water bladder in it, and you use has a water bladder in it, and you use it to drink water out of, but you used it to drink water out of, but you used it to drink water out of, but you used it to wash his face. Mhm. it to wash his face. Mhm. it to wash his face. Mhm. >> And you shot pictures of his face and a >> And you shot pictures of his face and a >> And you shot pictures of his face and a profile. Can you describe what they look profile. Can you describe what they look profile. Can you describe what they look like? like? like? >> They're pretty gruesome. >> They're pretty gruesome. >> They're pretty gruesome. >> Well, when you say gruesome, what are we >> Well, when you say gruesome, what are we >> Well, when you say gruesome, what are we talking about? talking about? talking about? >> I mean, he had a bullet wound in the >> I mean, he had a bullet wound in the >> I mean, he had a bullet wound in the head. So, head. So, head. So, that gruesome. that gruesome. that gruesome. >> Two SEALs took the body downstairs and >> Two SEALs took the body downstairs and >> Two SEALs took the body downstairs and zipped Bin Laden into a bag. In the zipped Bin Laden into a bag. In the zipped Bin Laden into a bag. In the bedroom, Owen found an assault rifle and bedroom, Owen found an assault rifle and bedroom, Owen found an assault rifle and a pistol on a shelf. And some people a pistol on a shelf. And some people a pistol on a shelf. And some people would argue that, you know, why did that would argue that, you know, why did that would argue that, you know, why did that point man take those shots? Well, point man take those shots? Well, point man take those shots? Well, immediately the first door we went to, immediately the first door we went to, immediately the first door we went to, my team was engaged by enemy fire my team was engaged by enemy fire my team was engaged by enemy fire through the door. So, automatically we through the door. So, automatically we through the door. So, automatically we know we're going into a an enemy know we're going into a an enemy know we're going into a an enemy compound. compound. compound. Shots being fired back at us Shots being fired back at us Shots being fired back at us immediately. AK found next to Khaled on immediately. AK found next to Khaled on immediately. AK found next to Khaled on the stairs. All those boxes have been the stairs. All those boxes have been the stairs. All those boxes have been checked that if a guy sticks his head checked that if a guy sticks his head checked that if a guy sticks his head around the corner, he very easily could around the corner, he very easily could around the corner, he very easily could have a gun. You don't wait to get that have a gun. You don't wait to get that have a gun. You don't wait to get that AK or the or the grenade thrown down the AK or the or the grenade thrown down the AK or the or the grenade thrown down the hall or the suicide vest. So, in the hall or the suicide vest. So, in the hall or the suicide vest. So, in the split second, that's when he engaged.

split second, that's when he engaged. split second, that's when he engaged. >> He did have a gun, but he didn't use it. >> He did have a gun, but he didn't use it. >> He did have a gun, but he didn't use it. And I wonder what you make of that. I I think I think in the end he he I I think I think in the end he he taught a lot of people to do, you know, taught a lot of people to do, you know, taught a lot of people to do, you know, martyr themselves and and um he martyr themselves and and um he martyr themselves and and um he masterminded the 9/11 attacks, but in masterminded the 9/11 attacks, but in masterminded the 9/11 attacks, but in the end he wasn't even willing to roger the end he wasn't even willing to roger the end he wasn't even willing to roger up himself with a gun and and put up a up himself with a gun and and put up a up himself with a gun and and put up a fight. So I think that speaks for fight. So I think that speaks for fight. So I think that speaks for itself. itself. itself. >> Back on the second floor, the SEALs were >> Back on the second floor, the SEALs were >> Back on the second floor, the SEALs were grabbing computers, discs, flash drives, grabbing computers, discs, flash drives, grabbing computers, discs, flash drives, videotapes, more priceless intelligence videotapes, more priceless intelligence videotapes, more priceless intelligence than they could carry. There was so much than they could carry. There was so much than they could carry. There was so much stuff in this house. stuff in this house. stuff in this house. >> The guys are just stuffing this stuff in >> The guys are just stuffing this stuff in >> The guys are just stuffing this stuff in garbage bags. garbage bags. garbage bags. >> We we had carried bags with us, but we >> We we had carried bags with us, but we >> We we had carried bags with us, but we filled all these bags up. So, you just filled all these bags up. So, you just filled all these bags up. So, you just find some, you know, an old gym bag on find some, you know, an old gym bag on find some, you know, an old gym bag on Target, dump out whatever's in it, and Target, dump out whatever's in it, and Target, dump out whatever's in it, and and and use that. As we were running and and use that. As we were running and and use that. As we were running out, I look over, my buddy, he's got a out, I look over, my buddy, he's got a out, I look over, my buddy, he's got a bag of stuff in one hand, like, you bag of stuff in one hand, like, you bag of stuff in one hand, like, you know, Santa Claus running out of there, know, Santa Claus running out of there, know, Santa Claus running out of there, but a bag full of goodies in one hand but a bag full of goodies in one hand but a bag full of goodies in one hand that he had collected and a uh a that he had collected and a uh a that he had collected and a uh a computer terminal in the other. The plan computer terminal in the other. The plan computer terminal in the other. The plan had been to be on the ground for 30 had been to be on the ground for 30 had been to be on the ground for 30 minutes, but now they were a few minutes minutes, but now they were a few minutes minutes, but now they were a few minutes late. It was after 1:30 a.m.

late. It was after 1:30 a.m. late. It was after 1:30 a.m. >> Now things are starting to pick up >> Now things are starting to pick up >> Now things are starting to pick up outside. People have obviously woken up outside. People have obviously woken up outside. People have obviously woken up at this point. They're they're coming at this point. They're they're coming at this point. They're they're coming over to investigate what's going on. over to investigate what's going on. over to investigate what's going on. >> They were the neighbors and they had a >> They were the neighbors and they had a >> They were the neighbors and they had a lot of questions for the SEALs standing lot of questions for the SEALs standing lot of questions for the SEALs standing guard outside the wall. guard outside the wall. guard outside the wall. >> So that's where things could get real >> So that's where things could get real >> So that's where things could get real dynamic for that team outside. Everybody dynamic for that team outside. Everybody dynamic for that team outside. Everybody wants to know what was going on inside. wants to know what was going on inside. wants to know what was going on inside. That team had way more responsibility That team had way more responsibility That team had way more responsibility than just about anybody else because than just about anybody else because than just about anybody else because they were dealing with they were dealing with they were dealing with all the whatifs outside. all the whatifs outside. all the whatifs outside. >> What if the police showed up or the >> What if the police showed up or the >> What if the police showed up or the military? military? military? >> We're running out of time. We got to get >> We're running out of time. We got to get >> We're running out of time. We got to get going. There's neighbors approaching. going. There's neighbors approaching. going. There's neighbors approaching. The interpreter that was out here said, The interpreter that was out here said, The interpreter that was out here said, "Hey, there's a police operation going "Hey, there's a police operation going "Hey, there's a police operation going on here. Go back to your homes." And on here. Go back to your homes." And on here. Go back to your homes." And they'd simply go back away. they'd simply go back away. they'd simply go back away. >> Among the unfinished business was the >> Among the unfinished business was the >> Among the unfinished business was the crashed helicopter. It was a secret crashed helicopter. It was a secret crashed helicopter. It was a secret design loaded with secret gear. They had design loaded with secret gear. They had design loaded with secret gear. They had to blow it up. A message was passed to to blow it up. A message was passed to to blow it up. A message was passed to their explosives expert called the EOD their explosives expert called the EOD their explosives expert called the EOD man. Prep it to blow, they said. But the man. Prep it to blow, they said. But the man. Prep it to blow, they said. But the it in the message was a little vague.

it in the message was a little vague. it in the message was a little vague. >> The EOD guy thinks he means prep the >> The EOD guy thinks he means prep the >> The EOD guy thinks he means prep the house to blow. house to blow. house to blow. >> So there we are in the middle of this >> So there we are in the middle of this >> So there we are in the middle of this and he's like, "Okay, roger that. Prep and he's like, "Okay, roger that. Prep and he's like, "Okay, roger that. Prep it to blow." So he's running around the it to blow." So he's running around the it to blow." So he's running around the first floor of the house setting his first floor of the house setting his first floor of the house setting his charges getting ready to blow up the charges getting ready to blow up the charges getting ready to blow up the house. And somebody looks over and he's house. And somebody looks over and he's house. And somebody looks over and he's like, "Dude, dude, what are you doing?" like, "Dude, dude, what are you doing?" like, "Dude, dude, what are you doing?" He's like, "Oh, I'm prepping it to He's like, "Oh, I'm prepping it to He's like, "Oh, I'm prepping it to blow." He's like, "Not not the house, blow." He's like, "Not not the house, blow." He's like, "Not not the house, the helicopter." Well, he hadn't got the the helicopter." Well, he hadn't got the the helicopter." Well, he hadn't got the word that there was a helicopter even word that there was a helicopter even word that there was a helicopter even down. He's like, "What helicopter?" He's down. He's like, "What helicopter?" He's down. He's like, "What helicopter?" He's like, "The one in the courtyard. Go take like, "The one in the courtyard. Go take like, "The one in the courtyard. Go take a look." So he runs outside, sees the a look." So he runs outside, sees the a look." So he runs outside, sees the helicopter, and then and then they helicopter, and then and then they helicopter, and then and then they proceed to to rig it to blow. proceed to to rig it to blow. proceed to to rig it to blow. >> It was past time to go. Two large >> It was past time to go. Two large >> It was past time to go. Two large helicopters called CH47s helicopters called CH47s helicopters called CH47s filled with reinforcements and fuel had filled with reinforcements and fuel had filled with reinforcements and fuel had been standing by during the raid. The been standing by during the raid. The been standing by during the raid. The remaining Blackhawk would return for remaining Blackhawk would return for remaining Blackhawk would return for half of the SEALs. A CH47 would pick up half of the SEALs. A CH47 would pick up half of the SEALs. A CH47 would pick up the rest. the rest. the rest. >> The Blackhawk that's picking us up lands >> The Blackhawk that's picking us up lands >> The Blackhawk that's picking us up lands first. We run through the field carrying first. We run through the field carrying first. We run through the field carrying the body in the body bag, load the the the body in the body bag, load the the the body in the body bag, load the the remaining Blackhawk, and then we slowly remaining Blackhawk, and then we slowly remaining Blackhawk, and then we slowly lift off and move away. While they're lift off and move away. While they're lift off and move away. While they're waiting for the 47 to come in, the timer waiting for the 47 to come in, the timer waiting for the 47 to come in, the timer on the charges is ticking down.

on the charges is ticking down. on the charges is ticking down. >> The explosion on this helicopter is >> The explosion on this helicopter is >> The explosion on this helicopter is coming. How much time have they got? coming. How much time have they got? coming. How much time have they got? >> Not much left. They're under 30 seconds. >> Not much left. They're under 30 seconds. >> Not much left. They're under 30 seconds. They're running down. the team leader They're running down. the team leader They're running down. the team leader that was in charge of the demo team. He that was in charge of the demo team. He that was in charge of the demo team. He gets a hold of the commanding officer, gets a hold of the commanding officer, gets a hold of the commanding officer, gets him on the radio talking to the 47, gets him on the radio talking to the 47, gets him on the radio talking to the 47, tells the 47 to do a goound. As he's tells the 47 to do a goound. As he's tells the 47 to do a goound. As he's doing the the go around to the south, doing the the go around to the south, doing the the go around to the south, boom, the charge goes. Our Blackhawk's boom, the charge goes. Our Blackhawk's boom, the charge goes. Our Blackhawk's already gone. This explodes, big big already gone. This explodes, big big already gone. This explodes, big big huge explosion. The 47 comes right back huge explosion. The 47 comes right back huge explosion. The 47 comes right back around, lands, the guys load on, and now around, lands, the guys load on, and now around, lands, the guys load on, and now they're airborne. We're done. We're they're airborne. We're done. We're they're airborne. We're done. We're clean from the target. clean from the target. clean from the target. That glow at the compound was the That glow at the compound was the That glow at the compound was the helicopter on fire. helicopter on fire. helicopter on fire. >> The seals were on the ground about 38 >> The seals were on the ground about 38 >> The seals were on the ground about 38 minutes, which meant their Blackhawk had minutes, which meant their Blackhawk had minutes, which meant their Blackhawk had been in the air waiting a little longer been in the air waiting a little longer been in the air waiting a little longer than planned. than planned. than planned. >> Sure enough, I'm sitting in the >> Sure enough, I'm sitting in the >> Sure enough, I'm sitting in the helicopter and you turn around and look helicopter and you turn around and look helicopter and you turn around and look in the cockpit and I see flashing red in the cockpit and I see flashing red in the cockpit and I see flashing red lights. Well, I'm not a pilot, but lights. Well, I'm not a pilot, but lights. Well, I'm not a pilot, but anything flashing red in a in a vehicle anything flashing red in a in a vehicle anything flashing red in a in a vehicle is typically not good. It's gas gauges.

is typically not good. It's gas gauges. is typically not good. It's gas gauges. were about to run out of fuel. were about to run out of fuel. were about to run out of fuel. >> During their escape, the SEALs were >> During their escape, the SEALs were >> During their escape, the SEALs were forced to land in Pakistan. One of the forced to land in Pakistan. One of the forced to land in Pakistan. One of the CH47s was waiting on the ground and CH47s was waiting on the ground and CH47s was waiting on the ground and refueled their Blackhawk. refueled their Blackhawk. refueled their Blackhawk. >> The Pakistanis didn't get you on the way >> The Pakistanis didn't get you on the way >> The Pakistanis didn't get you on the way in, but you're concerned they're going in, but you're concerned they're going in, but you're concerned they're going to get you on the way out. to get you on the way out. to get you on the way out. >> Sure. We got to get out of here. >> Sure. We got to get out of here. >> Sure. We got to get out of here. >> When did you know that you were out of >> When did you know that you were out of >> When did you know that you were out of Pakistan? Pakistan? Pakistan? >> They radioed over. Came on over the >> They radioed over. Came on over the >> They radioed over. Came on over the radio said, "Hey, we're back. We're back radio said, "Hey, we're back. We're back radio said, "Hey, we're back. We're back in Afghanistan." in Afghanistan." in Afghanistan." >> And you thought what? >> And you thought what? >> And you thought what? big sigh of relief and wow, we might big sigh of relief and wow, we might big sigh of relief and wow, we might have actually pulled this off. This is have actually pulled this off. This is have actually pulled this off. This is crazy. crazy. crazy. >> Was there ever a point, Mark, in which >> Was there ever a point, Mark, in which >> Was there ever a point, Mark, in which you shook hands with each other, slapped you shook hands with each other, slapped you shook hands with each other, slapped each other on the back? each other on the back? each other on the back? >> Yeah, once we landed, everybody kind of >> Yeah, once we landed, everybody kind of >> Yeah, once we landed, everybody kind of hugged and high-fived and took a couple hugged and high-fived and took a couple hugged and high-fived and took a couple photos and, you know, it was our our photos and, you know, it was our our photos and, you know, it was our our five minute, hey, cool. We pulled this five minute, hey, cool. We pulled this five minute, hey, cool. We pulled this off. Good job. And then it was back to off. Good job. And then it was back to off. Good job. And then it was back to work. In his book, Owen describes how work. In his book, Owen describes how work. In his book, Owen describes how they loaded the body onto a pickup truck they loaded the body onto a pickup truck they loaded the body onto a pickup truck and brought it to a hanger where Vice and brought it to a hanger where Vice and brought it to a hanger where Vice Admiral McRaven, head of Joint Special Admiral McRaven, head of Joint Special Admiral McRaven, head of Joint Special Operations Command, was waiting. They Operations Command, was waiting. They Operations Command, was waiting. They unzipped the bag. Standing nearby was unzipped the bag. Standing nearby was unzipped the bag. Standing nearby was that CIA analyst who had spent years on that CIA analyst who had spent years on that CIA analyst who had spent years on Bin Laden's trail.

Bin Laden's trail. Bin Laden's trail. >> Miss 100%. The woman who told you that >> Miss 100%. The woman who told you that >> Miss 100%. The woman who told you that she was 100% certain that they had Osama she was 100% certain that they had Osama she was 100% certain that they had Osama bin Laden. bin Laden. bin Laden. >> Right. So, we're all in the hanger. >> Right. So, we're all in the hanger. >> Right. So, we're all in the hanger. Immediately we saw her and you know she Immediately we saw her and you know she Immediately we saw her and you know she started crying. It was pretty started crying. It was pretty started crying. It was pretty significant event in her life I'm sure. significant event in her life I'm sure. significant event in her life I'm sure. >> 6 hours later the president announced it >> 6 hours later the president announced it >> 6 hours later the president announced it to the world. to the world. to the world. >> Tonight I can report to the American >> Tonight I can report to the American >> Tonight I can report to the American people and to the world that the United people and to the world that the United people and to the world that the United States has conducted an operation that States has conducted an operation that States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of killed Osama bin Laden, the leader of al-Qaeda. al-Qaeda. al-Qaeda. >> Yeah, we watched it live. It was uh they >> Yeah, we watched it live. It was uh they >> Yeah, we watched it live. It was uh they had some TVs set up in the hanger that had some TVs set up in the hanger that had some TVs set up in the hanger that we were at and uh literally still in we were at and uh literally still in we were at and uh literally still in your in your camouflage uniform, our your in your camouflage uniform, our your in your camouflage uniform, our gear kind of set to the side and and we gear kind of set to the side and and we gear kind of set to the side and and we heard it was coming on. We went and heard it was coming on. We went and heard it was coming on. We went and gathered around and watched the dress. gathered around and watched the dress. gathered around and watched the dress. >> What did you think? >> What did you think? >> What did you think? >> You know, now that now the world knows >> You know, now that now the world knows >> You know, now that now the world knows that that that we've got them. USA. USA. >> When you landed back in the United >> When you landed back in the United >> When you landed back in the United States, I mean, what did you think of States, I mean, what did you think of States, I mean, what did you think of all the media coverage?

all the media coverage? all the media coverage? >> It was all surreal because, you know, >> It was all surreal because, you know, >> It was all surreal because, you know, this had all been so hush hush leading this had all been so hush hush leading this had all been so hush hush leading up to it. We went and did it. Now, it up to it. We went and did it. Now, it up to it. We went and did it. Now, it was the biggest news story ever. We got was the biggest news story ever. We got was the biggest news story ever. We got on a bus, they drove us back to work. I on a bus, they drove us back to work. I on a bus, they drove us back to work. I didn't even go in and told us we had a didn't even go in and told us we had a didn't even go in and told us we had a couple days off. and I grabbed my keys, couple days off. and I grabbed my keys, couple days off. and I grabbed my keys, went and got my truck and and uh you went and got my truck and and uh you went and got my truck and and uh you know, I put it in the book, but you know, I put it in the book, but you know, I put it in the book, but you know, I hit hit Taco Bell on the way know, I hit hit Taco Bell on the way know, I hit hit Taco Bell on the way home, hit the drive-thru, couple tacos, home, hit the drive-thru, couple tacos, home, hit the drive-thru, couple tacos, and uh you know, ate it in my car right and uh you know, ate it in my car right and uh you know, ate it in my car right there and then and then drove home. there and then and then drove home. there and then and then drove home. >> You were part of the team that killed >> You were part of the team that killed >> You were part of the team that killed Osama bin Laden, and the first thing you Osama bin Laden, and the first thing you Osama bin Laden, and the first thing you do when you get back to the United do when you get back to the United do when you get back to the United States is go to Taco Bell. States is go to Taco Bell. States is go to Taco Bell. >> Yeah. Two tacos and a bean burrito. It's >> Yeah. Two tacos and a bean burrito. It's >> Yeah. Two tacos and a bean burrito. It's routine. routine. routine. Life has been anything but routine for Life has been anything but routine for Life has been anything but routine for Mark Owen since the publication of his Mark Owen since the publication of his Mark Owen since the publication of his book was announced. We'll have that when book was announced. We'll have that when book was announced. We'll have that when we come back.

Days after returning from the raid in Days after returning from the raid in Abadabad, Pakistan, Mark Owen squadron Abadabad, Pakistan, Mark Owen squadron Abadabad, Pakistan, Mark Owen squadron boarded an ancient C130 transport plane boarded an ancient C130 transport plane boarded an ancient C130 transport plane for one more mission. The men wondered for one more mission. The men wondered for one more mission. The men wondered why the plane was so old. Then they why the plane was so old. Then they why the plane was so old. Then they found out the plane had been used in found out the plane had been used in found out the plane had been used in 1980 in the failed attempt to rescue the 1980 in the failed attempt to rescue the 1980 in the failed attempt to rescue the American hostages in Iran. Somebody American hostages in Iran. Somebody American hostages in Iran. Somebody thought it was a fitting piece of thought it was a fitting piece of thought it was a fitting piece of American history to carry the men to American history to carry the men to American history to carry the men to their secret meeting with the president their secret meeting with the president their secret meeting with the president of the United States. of the United States. of the United States. The terrorist leader who struck our The terrorist leader who struck our The terrorist leader who struck our nation on 911 will never threaten nation on 911 will never threaten nation on 911 will never threaten America again. America again. America again. >> President Obama was making a speech at >> President Obama was making a speech at >> President Obama was making a speech at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, and he met with Fort Campbell, Kentucky, and he met with Fort Campbell, Kentucky, and he met with the Bin Laden team privately. All of the the Bin Laden team privately. All of the the Bin Laden team privately. All of the men would receive a silver star for men would receive a silver star for men would receive a silver star for valor. Did the president ask you guys valor. Did the president ask you guys valor. Did the president ask you guys which ones of you had shot Osama bin which ones of you had shot Osama bin which ones of you had shot Osama bin Laden? Laden? Laden? >> Yeah, he asked. He asked who uh who was >> Yeah, he asked. He asked who uh who was >> Yeah, he asked. He asked who uh who was the one and and we told him we wouldn't the one and and we told him we wouldn't the one and and we told him we wouldn't tell him. tell him. tell him. >> You wouldn't tell him. Why not? >> You wouldn't tell him. Why not? >> You wouldn't tell him. Why not? >> Pulling a trigger is easy. You know, >> Pulling a trigger is easy. You know, >> Pulling a trigger is easy. You know, couple pounds of pressure and your couple pounds of pressure and your couple pounds of pressure and your trigger finger. And I've done it trigger finger. And I've done it trigger finger. And I've done it millions of times and and it's not that millions of times and and it's not that millions of times and and it's not that hard, you know. So, it's not about who hard, you know. So, it's not about who hard, you know. So, it's not about who that one person was. It's who, you know, that one person was. It's who, you know, that one person was. It's who, you know, was about the team or or the helicopter was about the team or or the helicopter was about the team or or the helicopter pilots or the the intel folks that teed pilots or the the intel folks that teed pilots or the the intel folks that teed this whole thing up. Who who cares who this whole thing up. Who who cares who this whole thing up. Who who cares who the one person is? doesn't matter.

the one person is? doesn't matter. the one person is? doesn't matter. >> I wonder in writing this book whether >> I wonder in writing this book whether >> I wonder in writing this book whether you're worried that some of your fellow you're worried that some of your fellow you're worried that some of your fellow SEALs will be angry with you. SEALs will be angry with you. SEALs will be angry with you. >> I've had nothing but an outpouring of >> I've had nothing but an outpouring of >> I've had nothing but an outpouring of support from the guys who know me. To support from the guys who know me. To support from the guys who know me. To quote one of my friends, he said, "Hey, quote one of my friends, he said, "Hey, quote one of my friends, he said, "Hey, if anybody can tell this story and do it if anybody can tell this story and do it if anybody can tell this story and do it right, it's you." And and I'm not taking right, it's you." And and I'm not taking right, it's you." And and I'm not taking that out of trying to toot my own horn. that out of trying to toot my own horn. that out of trying to toot my own horn. They know I'm doing it right. They know I'm doing it right. They know I'm doing it right. >> You say in the preface to the book that >> You say in the preface to the book that >> You say in the preface to the book that if a reader is looking for secrets, this if a reader is looking for secrets, this if a reader is looking for secrets, this isn't their book. isn't their book. isn't their book. >> No, absolutely not. Um I'm not talking >> No, absolutely not. Um I'm not talking >> No, absolutely not. Um I'm not talking secrets. I'm not talking tactics. I secrets. I'm not talking tactics. I secrets. I'm not talking tactics. I don't even get into any of that stuff, don't even get into any of that stuff, don't even get into any of that stuff, but I really try and give the reader a but I really try and give the reader a but I really try and give the reader a sense of of what it's like to be to be sense of of what it's like to be to be sense of of what it's like to be to be there. there. there. >> Publicly, the Pentagon is not happy >> Publicly, the Pentagon is not happy >> Publicly, the Pentagon is not happy about No Easy Day. They have a differing about No Easy Day. They have a differing about No Easy Day. They have a differing account of Bin Laden's final minutes, account of Bin Laden's final minutes, account of Bin Laden's final minutes, saying that he was first shot when the saying that he was first shot when the saying that he was first shot when the SEALs were inside his bedroom. SEALs were inside his bedroom. SEALs were inside his bedroom. >> This uh book uh >> This uh book uh >> This uh book uh >> spokesman George Little said last week >> spokesman George Little said last week >> spokesman George Little said last week that Owen signed a secrecy agreement as that Owen signed a secrecy agreement as that Owen signed a secrecy agreement as a SEAL and should have submitted his a SEAL and should have submitted his a SEAL and should have submitted his book for editing by the government. and book for editing by the government. and book for editing by the government. and the author is in material breach of his the author is in material breach of his the author is in material breach of his secrecy agreements with the United secrecy agreements with the United secrecy agreements with the United States government. We believe that uh States government. We believe that uh States government. We believe that uh that sensitive and classified that sensitive and classified that sensitive and classified information is contained in the book.

information is contained in the book. information is contained in the book. >> I don't think I could be any clearer >> I don't think I could be any clearer >> I don't think I could be any clearer than that. than that. than that. >> But Owen insists there is nothing in the >> But Owen insists there is nothing in the >> But Owen insists there is nothing in the book that compromises the secrets of the book that compromises the secrets of the book that compromises the secrets of the United States or the safety of the United States or the safety of the United States or the safety of the SEALs. And there was one more thing that SEALs. And there was one more thing that SEALs. And there was one more thing that he wanted to say. The release of the he wanted to say. The release of the he wanted to say. The release of the book was timed to the anniversary of book was timed to the anniversary of book was timed to the anniversary of 9/11. 9/11. 9/11. My worry from the beginning is, you My worry from the beginning is, you My worry from the beginning is, you know, it's a political season. This book know, it's a political season. This book know, it's a political season. This book is not political whatsoever. It doesn't is not political whatsoever. It doesn't is not political whatsoever. It doesn't doesn't badmouth either party. And we doesn't badmouth either party. And we doesn't badmouth either party. And we specifically chose September 11th specifically chose September 11th specifically chose September 11th to keep it out of the politics. You to keep it out of the politics. You to keep it out of the politics. You know, if if these these crazies on know, if if these these crazies on know, if if these these crazies on either side of the aisle want to make it either side of the aisle want to make it either side of the aisle want to make it political, shame on them. political, shame on them. political, shame on them. >> The Bin Laden raid was Mark Owen's last. >> The Bin Laden raid was Mark Owen's last. >> The Bin Laden raid was Mark Owen's last. A few months later, he went to New York A few months later, he went to New York A few months later, he went to New York and saw ground zero for the first time. and saw ground zero for the first time. and saw ground zero for the first time. >> Our team played a small little piece. >> Our team played a small little piece. >> Our team played a small little piece. Some people would argue bigger, but you Some people would argue bigger, but you Some people would argue bigger, but you know, to us, it's very we were just know, to us, it's very we were just know, to us, it's very we were just doing our jobs. It's not a big deal. We doing our jobs. It's not a big deal. We doing our jobs. It's not a big deal. We were just lucky to be at the right place were just lucky to be at the right place were just lucky to be at the right place at the right time. But then going to New at the right time. But then going to New at the right time. But then going to New York and and where the World Trade York and and where the World Trade York and and where the World Trade Center stood at one point and it was it Center stood at one point and it was it Center stood at one point and it was it just very very emotional.

just very very emotional. just very very emotional. >> Nearly 3,000 people were killed right >> Nearly 3,000 people were killed right >> Nearly 3,000 people were killed right there alone. there alone. there alone. >> It was emotional. And it was like, you >> It was emotional. And it was like, you >> It was emotional. And it was like, you know what? Um, uh, it was ready to move know what? Um, uh, it was ready to move know what? Um, uh, it was ready to move on. Full circle. Your team had avenged on. Full circle. Your team had avenged on. Full circle. Your team had avenged those deaths. those deaths. those deaths. >> Absolutely. When word of the book, No Easy Day came When word of the book, No Easy Day came out last month. A cable news channel out last month. A cable news channel out last month. A cable news channel learned Mark Owen's real name and learned Mark Owen's real name and learned Mark Owen's real name and reported it. Since then, others have reported it. Since then, others have reported it. Since then, others have reported his name. We will not. Owen reported his name. We will not. Owen reported his name. We will not. Owen intends to donate most of the profits intends to donate most of the profits intends to donate most of the profits from the book to charities that support from the book to charities that support from the book to charities that support families of fallen troops. He wanted us families of fallen troops. He wanted us families of fallen troops. He wanted us to know that he thinks of what he's to know that he thinks of what he's to know that he thinks of what he's written as a public service to get the written as a public service to get the written as a public service to get the history straight and as a tribute to history straight and as a tribute to history straight and as a tribute to every Navy Seal wherever they may be every Navy Seal wherever they may be every Navy Seal wherever they may be serving tonight. In 10 days, President Obama will visit In 10 days, President Obama will visit Saudi Arabia at a time of deep mistrust Saudi Arabia at a time of deep mistrust Saudi Arabia at a time of deep mistrust between the two allies and lingering between the two allies and lingering between the two allies and lingering doubts about the Saudi commitment to doubts about the Saudi commitment to doubts about the Saudi commitment to fighting violent Islamic extremism. It fighting violent Islamic extremism. It fighting violent Islamic extremism. It also comes at a time when the White also comes at a time when the White also comes at a time when the White House and intelligence officials are House and intelligence officials are House and intelligence officials are reviewing whether to declassify one of reviewing whether to declassify one of reviewing whether to declassify one of the country's most sensitive documents the country's most sensitive documents the country's most sensitive documents known as the 28 pages. They have to do known as the 28 pages. They have to do known as the 28 pages. They have to do with 9/11 and the possible existence of with 9/11 and the possible existence of with 9/11 and the possible existence of a Saudi support network for the a Saudi support network for the a Saudi support network for the hijackers while they were in the US. For

hijackers while they were in the US. For hijackers while they were in the US. For 13 years, the 28 pages have been locked 13 years, the 28 pages have been locked 13 years, the 28 pages have been locked away in a secret vault. Only a small away in a secret vault. Only a small away in a secret vault. Only a small group of people have ever seen them. group of people have ever seen them. group of people have ever seen them. Tonight, you'll hear from some of the Tonight, you'll hear from some of the Tonight, you'll hear from some of the people who have read them and believe people who have read them and believe people who have read them and believe along with the families of 9/11 victims along with the families of 9/11 victims along with the families of 9/11 victims that they should be declassified. that they should be declassified. that they should be declassified. I think it is implausible to believe I think it is implausible to believe I think it is implausible to believe that 19 people, most of whom didn't that 19 people, most of whom didn't that 19 people, most of whom didn't speak English, most of whom had never speak English, most of whom had never speak English, most of whom had never been in the United States before, many been in the United States before, many been in the United States before, many of whom didn't have a high school of whom didn't have a high school of whom didn't have a high school education, uh, could have carried out education, uh, could have carried out education, uh, could have carried out such a complicated task without some such a complicated task without some such a complicated task without some support from within the United States. support from within the United States. support from within the United States. >> And you believe that the 28 pages are >> And you believe that the 28 pages are >> And you believe that the 28 pages are crucial to this? crucial to this? crucial to this? >> I think they are a key part. Former US >> I think they are a key part. Former US >> I think they are a key part. Former US Senator Bob Graham has been trying to Senator Bob Graham has been trying to Senator Bob Graham has been trying to get the 28 pages released since the day get the 28 pages released since the day get the 28 pages released since the day they were classified back in 2003 when they were classified back in 2003 when they were classified back in 2003 when he played a major role in the first he played a major role in the first he played a major role in the first government investigation into 9/11. government investigation into 9/11. government investigation into 9/11. >> I remain deeply disturbed by the amount >> I remain deeply disturbed by the amount >> I remain deeply disturbed by the amount of material that has been censored from of material that has been censored from of material that has been censored from this report. this report. this report. >> At the time, Graham was chairman of the >> At the time, Graham was chairman of the >> At the time, Graham was chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. I call the joint inquiry committee to I call the joint inquiry committee to I call the joint inquiry committee to order and co-chair of the bipartisan order and co-chair of the bipartisan order and co-chair of the bipartisan joint congressional inquiry into joint congressional inquiry into joint congressional inquiry into intelligence failures surrounding the intelligence failures surrounding the intelligence failures surrounding the attacks. The joint inquiry reviewed a attacks. The joint inquiry reviewed a attacks. The joint inquiry reviewed a half a million documents, interviewed half a million documents, interviewed half a million documents, interviewed hundreds of witnesses, and produced an hundreds of witnesses, and produced an hundreds of witnesses, and produced an 838 page report minus the final chapter, 838 page report minus the final chapter, 838 page report minus the final chapter, which was blanked out, exised by the which was blanked out, exised by the which was blanked out, exised by the Bush administration for reasons of Bush administration for reasons of Bush administration for reasons of national security. national security. national security. >> So, this is your office. Bob Graham >> So, this is your office. Bob Graham >> So, this is your office. Bob Graham won't discuss the classified information won't discuss the classified information won't discuss the classified information in the 28 pages. He will say only that in the 28 pages. He will say only that in the 28 pages. He will say only that they outline a network of people that he they outline a network of people that he they outline a network of people that he believes supported the hijackers while believes supported the hijackers while believes supported the hijackers while they were in the US. they were in the US. they were in the US. >> You believe that support came from Saudi >> You believe that support came from Saudi >> You believe that support came from Saudi Arabia substantially. Arabia substantially. Arabia substantially. >> And when we say the Saudis, you mean the >> And when we say the Saudis, you mean the >> And when we say the Saudis, you mean the government, rich people in the country, government, rich people in the country, government, rich people in the country, charities, charities, charities, >> all of the above. Graham and others >> all of the above. Graham and others >> all of the above. Graham and others believe the Saudi role has been believe the Saudi role has been believe the Saudi role has been soft-pled to protect a delicate soft-pled to protect a delicate soft-pled to protect a delicate relationship with a complicated kingdom relationship with a complicated kingdom relationship with a complicated kingdom where the rulers, royalty, riches, where the rulers, royalty, riches, where the rulers, royalty, riches, and religion are all deeply intertwined and religion are all deeply intertwined and religion are all deeply intertwined in its institutions.

in its institutions. in its institutions. >> The committee will be in order of >> The committee will be in order of >> The committee will be in order of >> Porter Goss, who was Graham's Republican >> Porter Goss, who was Graham's Republican >> Porter Goss, who was Graham's Republican co-chairman on the House side of the co-chairman on the House side of the co-chairman on the House side of the joint inquiry and later director of the joint inquiry and later director of the joint inquiry and later director of the CIA, also felt strongly that an CIA, also felt strongly that an CIA, also felt strongly that an uncensored version of the 28 pages uncensored version of the 28 pages uncensored version of the 28 pages should be included in the final report. should be included in the final report. should be included in the final report. The two men made their case to the FBI The two men made their case to the FBI The two men made their case to the FBI and its then director Robert Mueller in and its then director Robert Mueller in and its then director Robert Mueller in a face-to-face meeting. a face-to-face meeting. a face-to-face meeting. >> They pushed back very hard on the 28 >> They pushed back very hard on the 28 >> They pushed back very hard on the 28 pages and they said no, that cannot be pages and they said no, that cannot be pages and they said no, that cannot be uh unclassified at this time. uh unclassified at this time. uh unclassified at this time. >> Did you happen to ask the FBI director >> Did you happen to ask the FBI director >> Did you happen to ask the FBI director why it was classified? why it was classified? why it was classified? >> We did in a general way and the answer >> We did in a general way and the answer >> We did in a general way and the answer was because we said so and it needs to was because we said so and it needs to was because we said so and it needs to be classified. be classified. be classified. Goss says he knew of no reason then and Goss says he knew of no reason then and Goss says he knew of no reason then and knows of no reason now why the pages knows of no reason now why the pages knows of no reason now why the pages need to be classified. They are locked need to be classified. They are locked need to be classified. They are locked away under the capital in guarded vaults away under the capital in guarded vaults away under the capital in guarded vaults called sensitive compartmented called sensitive compartmented called sensitive compartmented information facilities or skiffs in information facilities or skiffs in information facilities or skiffs in government jargon. This is as close as government jargon. This is as close as government jargon. This is as close as we could get with our cameras. A highly we could get with our cameras. A highly we could get with our cameras. A highly restricted area where members of restricted area where members of restricted area where members of Congress with the proper clearances can Congress with the proper clearances can Congress with the proper clearances can read the documents under close read the documents under close read the documents under close supervision. No note takingaking supervision. No note takingaking supervision. No note takingaking allowed. It's all got to go up here.

allowed. It's all got to go up here. allowed. It's all got to go up here. Steve Steve Steve >> Tim Romer, a former Democratic >> Tim Romer, a former Democratic >> Tim Romer, a former Democratic congressman and US ambassador to India, congressman and US ambassador to India, congressman and US ambassador to India, has read the 28 pages multiple times. has read the 28 pages multiple times. has read the 28 pages multiple times. First as a member of the joint inquiry First as a member of the joint inquiry First as a member of the joint inquiry and later as a member of the blue ribbon and later as a member of the blue ribbon and later as a member of the blue ribbon 911 commission, which picked up where 911 commission, which picked up where 911 commission, which picked up where Congress's investigation left off. Congress's investigation left off. Congress's investigation left off. >> How hard is it to actually read these 28 >> How hard is it to actually read these 28 >> How hard is it to actually read these 28 pages? pages? pages? >> Very hard. These are tough documents to >> Very hard. These are tough documents to >> Very hard. These are tough documents to get your eyes on. Romer and others who get your eyes on. Romer and others who get your eyes on. Romer and others who have actually read the 28 pages describe have actually read the 28 pages describe have actually read the 28 pages describe them as a working draft similar to a them as a working draft similar to a them as a working draft similar to a grand jury or police report that grand jury or police report that grand jury or police report that includes provocative evidence, some includes provocative evidence, some includes provocative evidence, some verified and some not. They lay out the verified and some not. They lay out the verified and some not. They lay out the possibility of official Saudi assistance possibility of official Saudi assistance possibility of official Saudi assistance for two of the hijackers who settled in for two of the hijackers who settled in for two of the hijackers who settled in Southern California. That information Southern California. That information Southern California. That information from the 28 pages was turned over to the from the 28 pages was turned over to the from the 28 pages was turned over to the 9/11 Commission for further 9/11 Commission for further 9/11 Commission for further investigation. Some of the questions investigation. Some of the questions investigation. Some of the questions raised were answered in the commission's raised were answered in the commission's raised were answered in the commission's final report. Others were not. Is there final report. Others were not. Is there final report. Others were not. Is there information in the 28 pages that if they information in the 28 pages that if they information in the 28 pages that if they were declassified would surprise people?

were declassified would surprise people? were declassified would surprise people? >> Sure. You're going to be surprised by >> Sure. You're going to be surprised by >> Sure. You're going to be surprised by it. And uh you're going to be surprised it. And uh you're going to be surprised it. And uh you're going to be surprised by some of the answers that are sitting by some of the answers that are sitting by some of the answers that are sitting there today in the 9/11 Commission there today in the 9/11 Commission there today in the 9/11 Commission report about what happened in San Diego report about what happened in San Diego report about what happened in San Diego and what happened in Los Angeles and and what happened in Los Angeles and and what happened in Los Angeles and what was the Saudi involvement. Much of what was the Saudi involvement. Much of what was the Saudi involvement. Much of that surprising information is buried in that surprising information is buried in that surprising information is buried in footnotes and appendices of the 9/11 footnotes and appendices of the 9/11 footnotes and appendices of the 9/11 report, part of the official public report, part of the official public report, part of the official public record, but most of it unknown to the record, but most of it unknown to the record, but most of it unknown to the general public. These are some, but not general public. These are some, but not general public. These are some, but not all of the facts. In January of 2000, all of the facts. In January of 2000, all of the facts. In January of 2000, the first of the hijackers landed in Los the first of the hijackers landed in Los the first of the hijackers landed in Los Angeles after attending an al-Qaeda Angeles after attending an al-Qaeda Angeles after attending an al-Qaeda summit in Koala Lumpur, Malaysia. The summit in Koala Lumpur, Malaysia. The summit in Koala Lumpur, Malaysia. The two Saudi nationals, NAF al-Hazmi and two Saudi nationals, NAF al-Hazmi and two Saudi nationals, NAF al-Hazmi and Khaled Al- Midar, arrived with extremely Khaled Al- Midar, arrived with extremely Khaled Al- Midar, arrived with extremely limited language skills and no limited language skills and no limited language skills and no experience with Western culture. Yet, experience with Western culture. Yet, experience with Western culture. Yet, through an incredible series of through an incredible series of through an incredible series of circumstances, they managed to get circumstances, they managed to get circumstances, they managed to get everything they needed from housing to everything they needed from housing to everything they needed from housing to flight lessons. flight lessons. flight lessons. >> LA, San Diego, that's really, you know, >> LA, San Diego, that's really, you know, >> LA, San Diego, that's really, you know, the Hornets Nest. That's really the one the Hornets Nest. That's really the one the Hornets Nest. That's really the one that I continue to think about almost on that I continue to think about almost on that I continue to think about almost on a daily basis.

a daily basis. a daily basis. >> During their first days in LA, witnesses >> During their first days in LA, witnesses >> During their first days in LA, witnesses placed the two future hijackers at the placed the two future hijackers at the placed the two future hijackers at the King Fod Mosque in the company of Fahad King Fod Mosque in the company of Fahad King Fod Mosque in the company of Fahad Alumary, a diplomat at the Saudi Alumary, a diplomat at the Saudi Alumary, a diplomat at the Saudi consulate known to hold extremist views. consulate known to hold extremist views. consulate known to hold extremist views. Later, 9/11 investigators would find him Later, 9/11 investigators would find him Later, 9/11 investigators would find him deceptive and suspicious. And in 2003, deceptive and suspicious. And in 2003, deceptive and suspicious. And in 2003, he would be denied re-entry to the he would be denied re-entry to the he would be denied re-entry to the United States for having suspected ties United States for having suspected ties United States for having suspected ties to terrorist activity. to terrorist activity. to terrorist activity. >> This is a very interesting person in the >> This is a very interesting person in the >> This is a very interesting person in the whole 9/11 episode of who might have whole 9/11 episode of who might have whole 9/11 episode of who might have helped whom uh in Los Angeles and San helped whom uh in Los Angeles and San helped whom uh in Los Angeles and San Diego with two terrorists who didn't Diego with two terrorists who didn't Diego with two terrorists who didn't know their way around. Phone records know their way around. Phone records know their way around. Phone records show that Tumary was also in regular show that Tumary was also in regular show that Tumary was also in regular contact with this man, Omar Al Beumi, a contact with this man, Omar Al Beumi, a contact with this man, Omar Al Beumi, a mysterious Saudi who became the mysterious Saudi who became the mysterious Saudi who became the hijacker's biggest benefactor. He was a hijacker's biggest benefactor. He was a hijacker's biggest benefactor. He was a ghost employee with a no-show job at a ghost employee with a no-show job at a ghost employee with a no-show job at a Saudi aviation contractor outside Los Saudi aviation contractor outside Los Saudi aviation contractor outside Los Angeles while drawing a paycheck from Angeles while drawing a paycheck from Angeles while drawing a paycheck from the Saudi government. the Saudi government. the Saudi government. >> You believe was a Saudi agent? >> You believe was a Saudi agent? >> You believe was a Saudi agent? >> Yes.

>> Yes. >> Yes. >> What makes you believe that? Well, for >> What makes you believe that? Well, for >> What makes you believe that? Well, for one thing, he'd been listed even before one thing, he'd been listed even before one thing, he'd been listed even before 9/11 in FBI files as being a Saudi 9/11 in FBI files as being a Saudi 9/11 in FBI files as being a Saudi agent. agent. agent. >> On the morning of February 1st, 2000, >> On the morning of February 1st, 2000, >> On the morning of February 1st, 2000, Bayumi went to the office of the Saudi Bayumi went to the office of the Saudi Bayumi went to the office of the Saudi consulate where Thumary worked. He then consulate where Thumary worked. He then consulate where Thumary worked. He then proceeded to have lunch at a Middle proceeded to have lunch at a Middle proceeded to have lunch at a Middle Eastern restaurant on Venice Boulevard, Eastern restaurant on Venice Boulevard, Eastern restaurant on Venice Boulevard, where he later claimed he just happened where he later claimed he just happened where he later claimed he just happened to make the acquaintance of the two to make the acquaintance of the two to make the acquaintance of the two future hijackers. Hos and Midhar future hijackers. Hos and Midhar future hijackers. Hos and Midhar magically run into Bayumi in a magically run into Bayumi in a magically run into Bayumi in a restaurant that Bumi claims is a restaurant that Bumi claims is a restaurant that Bumi claims is a coincidence in one of the biggest cities coincidence in one of the biggest cities coincidence in one of the biggest cities in the United States. in the United States. in the United States. >> And he decides to befriend them. >> And he decides to befriend them. >> And he decides to befriend them. >> He decides to not only befriend them, >> He decides to not only befriend them, >> He decides to not only befriend them, but then to help them move to San Diego but then to help them move to San Diego but then to help them move to San Diego and get residence. and get residence. and get residence. >> In San Diego, Bayumi found them a place >> In San Diego, Bayumi found them a place >> In San Diego, Bayumi found them a place to live in his own apartment complex, to live in his own apartment complex, to live in his own apartment complex, advanced them the security deposit, and advanced them the security deposit, and advanced them the security deposit, and co-signed the lease. He even threw them co-signed the lease. He even threw them co-signed the lease. He even threw them a party and introduced them to other a party and introduced them to other a party and introduced them to other Muslims who would help the hijackers Muslims who would help the hijackers Muslims who would help the hijackers obtain government IDs and enroll in obtain government IDs and enroll in obtain government IDs and enroll in English classes and flight schools.

English classes and flight schools. English classes and flight schools. There's no evidence that Bayumi or There's no evidence that Bayumi or There's no evidence that Bayumi or Tumary knew what the future hijackers Tumary knew what the future hijackers Tumary knew what the future hijackers were up to. And it is possible that they were up to. And it is possible that they were up to. And it is possible that they were just trying to help fellow Muslims. were just trying to help fellow Muslims. were just trying to help fellow Muslims. But the very day Beumi welcomed the But the very day Beumi welcomed the But the very day Beumi welcomed the hijackers to San Diego, there were four hijackers to San Diego, there were four hijackers to San Diego, there were four calls between his cell phone and the calls between his cell phone and the calls between his cell phone and the imam at a San Diego mosque. Anoir Alaki, imam at a San Diego mosque. Anoir Alaki, imam at a San Diego mosque. Anoir Alaki, a name that should sound familiar. a name that should sound familiar. a name that should sound familiar. >> America cannot and will not win. >> America cannot and will not win. >> America cannot and will not win. >> The American born Alaki would be >> The American born Alaki would be >> The American born Alaki would be infamous a decade later as al-Qaeda's infamous a decade later as al-Qaeda's infamous a decade later as al-Qaeda's chief propagandist and top operative in chief propagandist and top operative in chief propagandist and top operative in Yemen until he was taken out by a CIA Yemen until he was taken out by a CIA Yemen until he was taken out by a CIA drone. But in January 2001, a year after drone. But in January 2001, a year after drone. But in January 2001, a year after becoming the hijacker's spiritual becoming the hijacker's spiritual becoming the hijacker's spiritual adviser, he left San Diego for False adviser, he left San Diego for False adviser, he left San Diego for False Church. Months later, Hosme, Midar, and Church. Months later, Hosme, Midar, and Church. Months later, Hosme, Midar, and three more hijackers would join him three more hijackers would join him three more hijackers would join him there. there. there. >> Those are a lot of coincidences, and >> Those are a lot of coincidences, and >> Those are a lot of coincidences, and that's a lot of smoke. Is that enough to that's a lot of smoke. Is that enough to that's a lot of smoke. Is that enough to make you squirm and uncomfortable and make you squirm and uncomfortable and make you squirm and uncomfortable and dig harder and declassify these 28 dig harder and declassify these 28 dig harder and declassify these 28 pages? Absolutely.

pages? Absolutely. pages? Absolutely. Perhaps no one is more interested in Perhaps no one is more interested in Perhaps no one is more interested in reading the 28 pages than attorneys Jim reading the 28 pages than attorneys Jim reading the 28 pages than attorneys Jim Kryler and Shan Carter, who represent Kryler and Shan Carter, who represent Kryler and Shan Carter, who represent family members of the 9/11 victims in family members of the 9/11 victims in family members of the 9/11 victims in their lawsuit against the kingdom, their lawsuit against the kingdom, their lawsuit against the kingdom, alleging that its institutions provided alleging that its institutions provided alleging that its institutions provided money to al-Qaeda, knowing that it was money to al-Qaeda, knowing that it was money to al-Qaeda, knowing that it was waging war against the United States. waging war against the United States. waging war against the United States. >> What we're doing in court is is >> What we're doing in court is is >> What we're doing in court is is developing the story that has to come developing the story that has to come developing the story that has to come out. But it's been difficult for us out. But it's been difficult for us out. But it's been difficult for us because for many years we weren't because for many years we weren't because for many years we weren't getting the kind of openness and getting the kind of openness and getting the kind of openness and cooperation that that we think our cooperation that that we think our cooperation that that we think our government owes to the American people, government owes to the American people, government owes to the American people, particularly the the families of people particularly the the families of people particularly the the families of people who are murdered. who are murdered. who are murdered. >> The US government has even backed the >> The US government has even backed the >> The US government has even backed the Saudi position in court that it can't be Saudi position in court that it can't be Saudi position in court that it can't be sued because it enjoys sovereign sued because it enjoys sovereign sued because it enjoys sovereign immunity. The 9/11 Commission report immunity. The 9/11 Commission report immunity. The 9/11 Commission report says that Saudi Arabia has long been says that Saudi Arabia has long been says that Saudi Arabia has long been considered the primary source of considered the primary source of considered the primary source of al-Qaeda funding through its wealthy al-Qaeda funding through its wealthy al-Qaeda funding through its wealthy citizens and charities with significant citizens and charities with significant citizens and charities with significant government sponsorship. But the sentence government sponsorship. But the sentence government sponsorship. But the sentence that got the most attention when the that got the most attention when the that got the most attention when the report came out is this. We have found report came out is this. We have found report came out is this. We have found no evidence that the Saudi government as no evidence that the Saudi government as no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials an institution or senior Saudi officials an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded the organization.

individually funded the organization. individually funded the organization. Attorney Sean Carter says it's the most Attorney Sean Carter says it's the most Attorney Sean Carter says it's the most carefully crafted line in the 9/11 carefully crafted line in the 9/11 carefully crafted line in the 9/11 Commission report and the most Commission report and the most Commission report and the most misunderstood. misunderstood. misunderstood. >> When they say that we found no evidence >> When they say that we found no evidence >> When they say that we found no evidence that senior Saudi officials individually that senior Saudi officials individually that senior Saudi officials individually funded al-Qaeda, they conspicuously funded al-Qaeda, they conspicuously funded al-Qaeda, they conspicuously leave open the potential that they found leave open the potential that they found leave open the potential that they found evidence that people who were officials evidence that people who were officials evidence that people who were officials that they did not regard as senior that they did not regard as senior that they did not regard as senior officials had done so. That is the officials had done so. That is the officials had done so. That is the essence of the family's lawsuit. That essence of the family's lawsuit. That essence of the family's lawsuit. That elements of the government and lower elements of the government and lower elements of the government and lower level officials sympathetic to bin level officials sympathetic to bin level officials sympathetic to bin Laden's cause helped al-Qaeda carry out Laden's cause helped al-Qaeda carry out Laden's cause helped al-Qaeda carry out the attacks and help sustain the the attacks and help sustain the the attacks and help sustain the al-Qaeda network. Yet for more than a al-Qaeda network. Yet for more than a al-Qaeda network. Yet for more than a decade, the kingdom has maintained that decade, the kingdom has maintained that decade, the kingdom has maintained that that one sentence exonerated it of any that one sentence exonerated it of any that one sentence exonerated it of any responsibility for 9/11, regardless of responsibility for 9/11, regardless of responsibility for 9/11, regardless of what might be in the 28 pages. what might be in the 28 pages. what might be in the 28 pages. >> It's not an exoneration. What we said, >> It's not an exoneration. What we said, >> It's not an exoneration. What we said, we did not with this report exonerate we did not with this report exonerate we did not with this report exonerate the Saudis. to do is have as many. the Saudis. to do is have as many. the Saudis. to do is have as many. >> Former US Senator Bob Kerry is another >> Former US Senator Bob Kerry is another >> Former US Senator Bob Kerry is another of the 10 member 9/11 commission who has of the 10 member 9/11 commission who has of the 10 member 9/11 commission who has read the 28 pages and believes they read the 28 pages and believes they read the 28 pages and believes they should be declassified. He filed an should be declassified. He filed an should be declassified. He filed an affidavit in support of the 9/11 affidavit in support of the 9/11 affidavit in support of the 9/11 family's lawsuit.

family's lawsuit. family's lawsuit. >> You can't provide the money for >> You can't provide the money for >> You can't provide the money for terrorists and then say, "I don't have terrorists and then say, "I don't have terrorists and then say, "I don't have anything to do with what they were anything to do with what they were anything to do with what they were doing." doing." doing." >> Do you believe that all of the leads >> Do you believe that all of the leads >> Do you believe that all of the leads that were developed in the 28 pages were that were developed in the 28 pages were that were developed in the 28 pages were answered in the 9/11 report? All the answered in the 9/11 report? All the answered in the 9/11 report? All the questions? questions? questions? >> No. In general, the 9/11 commission did >> No. In general, the 9/11 commission did >> No. In general, the 9/11 commission did not get every single detail of the not get every single detail of the not get every single detail of the conspiracy. We didn't. We didn't have conspiracy. We didn't. We didn't have conspiracy. We didn't. We didn't have the time. We didn't have the resources the time. We didn't have the resources the time. We didn't have the resources and we certainly didn't pursue the and we certainly didn't pursue the and we certainly didn't pursue the entire line of inquiry in regards Saudi entire line of inquiry in regards Saudi entire line of inquiry in regards Saudi Arabia. Do you think all of these things Arabia. Do you think all of these things Arabia. Do you think all of these things in San Diego can be explained as in San Diego can be explained as in San Diego can be explained as coincidence? coincidence? coincidence? I don't believe in coincidences. I don't believe in coincidences. I don't believe in coincidences. John Layman, who was Secretary of the John Layman, who was Secretary of the John Layman, who was Secretary of the Navy in the Reagan administration, says Navy in the Reagan administration, says Navy in the Reagan administration, says that he and the others make up a solid that he and the others make up a solid that he and the others make up a solid majority of former 911 commissioners who majority of former 911 commissioners who majority of former 911 commissioners who think the 28 pages should be made think the 28 pages should be made think the 28 pages should be made public. public. public. >> We're not a bunch of rubes that wrote >> We're not a bunch of rubes that wrote >> We're not a bunch of rubes that wrote into Washington for this commission. I into Washington for this commission. I into Washington for this commission. I we, you know, we've seen fire and we've we, you know, we've seen fire and we've we, you know, we've seen fire and we've seen rain and in the politics of seen rain and in the politics of seen rain and in the politics of national security. We all have dealt for national security. We all have dealt for national security. We all have dealt for our careers in highly classified and our careers in highly classified and our careers in highly classified and compartmentalized and every aspect of compartmentalized and every aspect of compartmentalized and every aspect of security. We know when something security. We know when something security. We know when something shouldn't be declassified shouldn't be declassified shouldn't be declassified and the this those 28 pages in no way and the this those 28 pages in no way and the this those 28 pages in no way fall into that category. Layman has no fall into that category. Layman has no fall into that category. Layman has no doubt that some high Saudi officials doubt that some high Saudi officials doubt that some high Saudi officials knew that assistance was being provided knew that assistance was being provided knew that assistance was being provided to al-Qaeda, but he doesn't think it was to al-Qaeda, but he doesn't think it was to al-Qaeda, but he doesn't think it was ever official policy. He also doesn't ever official policy. He also doesn't ever official policy. He also doesn't think that it absolves the Saudis of think that it absolves the Saudis of think that it absolves the Saudis of responsibility.

responsibility. responsibility. >> It was no accident that 15 of the 19 >> It was no accident that 15 of the 19 >> It was no accident that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis. They all went to hijackers were Saudis. They all went to hijackers were Saudis. They all went to Saudi schools. They learned from the Saudi schools. They learned from the Saudi schools. They learned from the time they were first able to go to time they were first able to go to time they were first able to go to school of this intolerant school of this intolerant school of this intolerant uh uh brand of Islam. uh uh brand of Islam. uh uh brand of Islam. Layman is talking about Wahhabism, the Layman is talking about Wahhabism, the Layman is talking about Wahhabism, the ultra-conservative puritanical form of ultra-conservative puritanical form of ultra-conservative puritanical form of Islam that's rooted here and permeates Islam that's rooted here and permeates Islam that's rooted here and permeates every facet of society. There is no every facet of society. There is no every facet of society. There is no separation of church and state. After separation of church and state. After separation of church and state. After oil, Wahhabism is one of the kingdom's oil, Wahhabism is one of the kingdom's oil, Wahhabism is one of the kingdom's biggest exports. Saudi clerics entrusted biggest exports. Saudi clerics entrusted biggest exports. Saudi clerics entrusted with Islam's holiest shrines have with Islam's holiest shrines have with Islam's holiest shrines have immense power and billions of dollars to immense power and billions of dollars to immense power and billions of dollars to spread the faith, building mosques and spread the faith, building mosques and spread the faith, building mosques and religious schools all over the world religious schools all over the world religious schools all over the world that have become recruiting grounds for that have become recruiting grounds for that have become recruiting grounds for violent extremists. violent extremists. violent extremists. >> 911 Commissioner John Layman says all of >> 911 Commissioner John Layman says all of >> 911 Commissioner John Layman says all of this comes across in the 28 pages. This this comes across in the 28 pages. This this comes across in the 28 pages. This is not going to be a smoking gun that is is not going to be a smoking gun that is is not going to be a smoking gun that is going to to cause a huge furer, but it going to to cause a huge furer, but it going to to cause a huge furer, but it does give a very compact illustration of does give a very compact illustration of does give a very compact illustration of the kinds of things that went on that the kinds of things that went on that the kinds of things that went on that would really help the American people to would really help the American people to would really help the American people to understand why what how is it that these understand why what how is it that these understand why what how is it that these people are springing up all over the people are springing up all over the people are springing up all over the world to go to jihad.

world to go to jihad. world to go to jihad. >> Look, the Saudis have even said >> Look, the Saudis have even said >> Look, the Saudis have even said therefore declassifying it. We should therefore declassifying it. We should therefore declassifying it. We should declassify it. Is it sensitive, Steve? declassify it. Is it sensitive, Steve? declassify it. Is it sensitive, Steve? Might it involve opening a bit of can of Might it involve opening a bit of can of Might it involve opening a bit of can of worms or some snakes crawling out of worms or some snakes crawling out of worms or some snakes crawling out of there? Yes. But I think we need a there? Yes. But I think we need a there? Yes. But I think we need a relationship with the Saudis where both relationship with the Saudis where both relationship with the Saudis where both countries are working together to fight countries are working together to fight countries are working together to fight against terrorism. And that's not always against terrorism. And that's not always against terrorism. And that's not always been the case. On 911, Dr. Benjamin Luff prepared On 911, Dr. Benjamin Luff prepared Stonybrook University Medical Center on Stonybrook University Medical Center on Stonybrook University Medical Center on Long Island for the massive number of Long Island for the massive number of Long Island for the massive number of casualties he expected to overwhelm the casualties he expected to overwhelm the casualties he expected to overwhelm the emergency room, but none came through emergency room, but none came through emergency room, but none came through the door that day. So few had survived.

the door that day. So few had survived. the door that day. So few had survived. As it turned out, Dr. Love's casualties As it turned out, Dr. Love's casualties As it turned out, Dr. Love's casualties were coming, but they would arrive much were coming, but they would arrive much were coming, but they would arrive much later. Although nearly 3,000 people were later. Although nearly 3,000 people were later. Although nearly 3,000 people were killed at the World Trade Center, 70,000 killed at the World Trade Center, 70,000 killed at the World Trade Center, 70,000 others responded to ground zero and others responded to ground zero and others responded to ground zero and worked for months amid toxic smoke and worked for months amid toxic smoke and worked for months amid toxic smoke and dust. Dr. Luft helped start a clinic to dust. Dr. Luft helped start a clinic to dust. Dr. Luft helped start a clinic to treat the chronic illnesses and treat the chronic illnesses and treat the chronic illnesses and psychological trauma suffered by the psychological trauma suffered by the psychological trauma suffered by the 9/11 responders. Over time, L discovered 9/11 responders. Over time, L discovered 9/11 responders. Over time, L discovered something that he never expected. He something that he never expected. He something that he never expected. He began to hear their stories, honest, began to hear their stories, honest, began to hear their stories, honest, raw, irreplaceable stories. And almost raw, irreplaceable stories. And almost raw, irreplaceable stories. And almost two years ago, he began to record the two years ago, he began to record the two years ago, he began to record the definitive history of ground zero, definitive history of ground zero, definitive history of ground zero, remembering 9/11 in the words of the remembering 9/11 in the words of the remembering 9/11 in the words of the people who lived it. The problem that people who lived it. The problem that people who lived it. The problem that came up was that our society began to came up was that our society began to came up was that our society began to look at the responders in terms of their look at the responders in terms of their look at the responders in terms of their disease. They became an issue in terms disease. They became an issue in terms disease. They became an issue in terms of their liability. of their liability. of their liability. And my feeling was that that's not who And my feeling was that that's not who And my feeling was that that's not who the responders were. Let's find out who the responders were. Let's find out who the responders were. Let's find out who they are as human beings, what their they are as human beings, what their they are as human beings, what their motivation was, what values they had, motivation was, what values they had, motivation was, what values they had, what sacrifices they made, how they were what sacrifices they made, how they were what sacrifices they made, how they were able to renew themselves. It was almost able to renew themselves. It was almost able to renew themselves. It was almost take like taking a civics class as to take like taking a civics class as to take like taking a civics class as to what is important about being a citizen.

what is important about being a citizen. what is important about being a citizen. What is important about being a human What is important about being a human What is important about being a human being? What is important to being an being? What is important to being an being? What is important to being an American? American? American? >> I worked at the makeshift morg. You know, saying I'm sorry for your loss You know, saying I'm sorry for your loss was very difficult because it almost got was very difficult because it almost got was very difficult because it almost got to be like wrote, you know. to be like wrote, you know. to be like wrote, you know. >> Stacy Goodman, a police detective, is >> Stacy Goodman, a police detective, is >> Stacy Goodman, a police detective, is one of the voices Dr. Lu recorded in one of the voices Dr. Lu recorded in one of the voices Dr. Lu recorded in what is now called the World Trade what is now called the World Trade what is now called the World Trade Center Oral History Project. Center Oral History Project. Center Oral History Project. At one point, this uh senior, I think he At one point, this uh senior, I think he At one point, this uh senior, I think he was a retired fireman. He comes in, his was a retired fireman. He comes in, his was a retired fireman. He comes in, his hands are cupped, and he's got bones in hands are cupped, and he's got bones in hands are cupped, and he's got bones in his hands, his hands, his hands, and he goes over to the medical and he goes over to the medical and he goes over to the medical examiner. He puts the bones in front of examiner. He puts the bones in front of examiner. He puts the bones in front of him. He goes, "This is my son." No one could possibly know 9/11 the way No one could possibly know 9/11 the way these people do. We asked several of the these people do. We asked several of the these people do. We asked several of the responders to give us a sense of the responders to give us a sense of the responders to give us a sense of the hours of testimony that they've put into hours of testimony that they've put into hours of testimony that they've put into Dr. Lu's project.

Dr. Lu's project. Dr. Lu's project. >> The debris and the people rushing out at >> The debris and the people rushing out at >> The debris and the people rushing out at us. I couldn't even make it to Tower 1. us. I couldn't even make it to Tower 1. us. I couldn't even make it to Tower 1. I made it to the base of tower 2. I made it to the base of tower 2. I made it to the base of tower 2. >> Carol Paulner was a cop on the scene >> Carol Paulner was a cop on the scene >> Carol Paulner was a cop on the scene before the towers fell. this big brawy before the towers fell. this big brawy before the towers fell. this big brawy FBI guy had his shield around his neck FBI guy had his shield around his neck FBI guy had his shield around his neck and uh I looked up at him and he's and uh I looked up at him and he's and uh I looked up at him and he's telling there was about six officers telling there was about six officers telling there was about six officers there with me and he's like uh if you there with me and he's like uh if you there with me and he's like uh if you want to live you you might as well leave want to live you you might as well leave want to live you you might as well leave now. He said uh we're all going to die. now. He said uh we're all going to die. now. He said uh we're all going to die. I'm like I can't we can't leave. I'm I'm I'm like I can't we can't leave. I'm I'm I'm like I can't we can't leave. I'm I'm not leaving. and the officers that I not leaving. and the officers that I not leaving. and the officers that I were there with were not leaving either. were there with were not leaving either. were there with were not leaving either. And we continued to evacuate and do our And we continued to evacuate and do our And we continued to evacuate and do our jobs, but you know, we were all like, jobs, but you know, we were all like, jobs, but you know, we were all like, "Wow, we're gonna die." You know, "Wow, we're gonna die." You know, "Wow, we're gonna die." You know, >> Paulner was trapped when the first tower >> Paulner was trapped when the first tower >> Paulner was trapped when the first tower collapsed. That's her on the left after collapsed. That's her on the left after collapsed. That's her on the left after she pulled herself out of the wreckage. she pulled herself out of the wreckage. she pulled herself out of the wreckage. She's with a fellow cop and a woman that She's with a fellow cop and a woman that She's with a fellow cop and a woman that they rescued. they rescued. they rescued. >> I was one of the guys that was able to >> I was one of the guys that was able to >> I was one of the guys that was able to pull somebody out alive. So few were pull somebody out alive. So few were pull somebody out alive. So few were saved, but police sergeant Richard Doer saved, but police sergeant Richard Doer saved, but police sergeant Richard Doer helped pull out one rare survivor, a helped pull out one rare survivor, a helped pull out one rare survivor, a fellow cop named John Mclofflin.

fellow cop named John Mclofflin. fellow cop named John Mclofflin. >> They were given John was uh given John >> They were given John was uh given John >> They were given John was uh given John McLaclin uh morphine McLaclin uh morphine McLaclin uh morphine because the uh the plan was that if we because the uh the plan was that if we because the uh the plan was that if we couldn't extricate him, they were going couldn't extricate him, they were going couldn't extricate him, they were going to cut his legs off. to cut his legs off. to cut his legs off. John screamed in pain when we pulled him John screamed in pain when we pulled him John screamed in pain when we pulled him initially. initially. initially. So, uh, we let him rest and, uh, So, uh, we let him rest and, uh, So, uh, we let him rest and, uh, we simultaneously pulled again and we we simultaneously pulled again and we we simultaneously pulled again and we broke him free broke him free broke him free and pulled him out. pulled him out. >> Boy, take some nice deep breaths. >> Boy, take some nice deep breaths. >> Boy, take some nice deep breaths. Benjamin Luft is a medical doctor who Benjamin Luft is a medical doctor who Benjamin Luft is a medical doctor who volunteered to help create a clinic for volunteered to help create a clinic for volunteered to help create a clinic for the 9/11 responders at Stonybrook the 9/11 responders at Stonybrook the 9/11 responders at Stonybrook University Medical Center, part of the University Medical Center, part of the University Medical Center, part of the State University of New York. More than State University of New York. More than State University of New York. More than 6,000 responders enrolled in his World 6,000 responders enrolled in his World 6,000 responders enrolled in his World Trade Center Health Program. One study Trade Center Health Program. One study Trade Center Health Program. One study shows that nearly a third of those who shows that nearly a third of those who shows that nearly a third of those who worked at ground zero have asthma. 42% worked at ground zero have asthma. 42% worked at ground zero have asthma. 42% suffer with sinusitis. Nearly 40% have suffer with sinusitis. Nearly 40% have suffer with sinusitis. Nearly 40% have gastroesophageal reflux disease known as gastroesophageal reflux disease known as gastroesophageal reflux disease known as gird and many have reactive airways gird and many have reactive airways gird and many have reactive airways dysfunction syndrome that the patients dysfunction syndrome that the patients dysfunction syndrome that the patients just call rads.

just call rads. just call rads. >> When you're a physician and you see >> When you're a physician and you see >> When you're a physician and you see patients you tend to reduce them to patients you tend to reduce them to patients you tend to reduce them to their symptoms and signs to their their symptoms and signs to their their symptoms and signs to their medical conditions and that's how you medical conditions and that's how you medical conditions and that's how you think of them. Lu listened to their think of them. Lu listened to their think of them. Lu listened to their stories in the examining room for eight stories in the examining room for eight stories in the examining room for eight years when he realized that his patients years when he realized that his patients years when he realized that his patients were the authors of one of the most were the authors of one of the most were the authors of one of the most dramatic chapters of American history. dramatic chapters of American history. dramatic chapters of American history. >> Your story of what happened on 9/11. She >> Your story of what happened on 9/11. She >> Your story of what happened on 9/11. She became hysterical. She had got a cell became hysterical. She had got a cell became hysterical. She had got a cell phone call that her uh the trade center phone call that her uh the trade center phone call that her uh the trade center was hit with a plane. was hit with a plane. was hit with a plane. >> With his own money, a few donations, and >> With his own money, a few donations, and >> With his own money, a few donations, and a small mostly volunteer staff, Lu a small mostly volunteer staff, Lu a small mostly volunteer staff, Lu started his interviews. So far, he's started his interviews. So far, he's started his interviews. So far, he's recorded recorded recorded 137. 137. 137. >> When the building imploded down, it blew >> When the building imploded down, it blew >> When the building imploded down, it blew me out of the building, and I was able me out of the building, and I was able me out of the building, and I was able to hold on to the doorway with my left to hold on to the doorway with my left to hold on to the doorway with my left arm. arm. arm. >> The first thing I found was >> The first thing I found was >> The first thing I found was an entire body burned into rebar.

an entire body burned into rebar. an entire body burned into rebar. >> They uh they put a line around our >> They uh they put a line around our >> They uh they put a line around our waist. I'm like, "Well, I'm going in waist. I'm like, "Well, I'm going in waist. I'm like, "Well, I'm going in this way. I'm snaking around on my belly this way. I'm snaking around on my belly this way. I'm snaking around on my belly around it." There's no way you can pull around it." There's no way you can pull around it." There's no way you can pull me out. M me out. M me out. M >> and the guy just looked at me. It wasn't >> and the guy just looked at me. It wasn't >> and the guy just looked at me. It wasn't It wasn't to pull us out. It wasn't to pull us out. It wasn't to pull us out. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It was just to find us if we died. Yeah. >> It was just to find us if we died. Yeah. >> It was just to find us if we died. Yeah. >> Where we expected to see two tall >> Where we expected to see two tall >> Where we expected to see two tall buildings, we just saw buildings, we just saw buildings, we just saw a skeleton, a skeleton, a skeleton, the most powerful nation in the world. the most powerful nation in the world. the most powerful nation in the world. How could this happen? How could this happen? How could this happen? >> There's no clearer rendition of what >> There's no clearer rendition of what >> There's no clearer rendition of what happened at 911 than are in these happened at 911 than are in these happened at 911 than are in these histories. Who are these people? So, of histories. Who are these people? So, of histories. Who are these people? So, of course, we have the firemen and the course, we have the firemen and the course, we have the firemen and the policemen and the EMS workers, and then policemen and the EMS workers, and then policemen and the EMS workers, and then we have the volunteer firemen, and then we have the volunteer firemen, and then we have the volunteer firemen, and then you have the iron workers and the you have the iron workers and the you have the iron workers and the construction workers and the laborers. construction workers and the laborers. construction workers and the laborers. On 911, On 911, On 911, all Americans responded from all walks all Americans responded from all walks all Americans responded from all walks of life. of life. of life. >> I was a senior in high school. Uh >> I was a senior in high school. Uh >> I was a senior in high school. Uh realized that I have to go down there. realized that I have to go down there. realized that I have to go down there. I'm not I don't know how I'm going to I'm not I don't know how I'm going to I'm not I don't know how I'm going to help. I don't know what I can do.

help. I don't know what I can do. help. I don't know what I can do. >> My whole family is cops. I'm the 13th in >> My whole family is cops. I'm the 13th in >> My whole family is cops. I'm the 13th in my family to be a New York City police my family to be a New York City police my family to be a New York City police officer. officer. officer. >> I am a licensed massage therapist. I >> I am a licensed massage therapist. I >> I am a licensed massage therapist. I just felt like I had to be down there just felt like I had to be down there just felt like I had to be down there helping these people, knowing what I do helping these people, knowing what I do helping these people, knowing what I do for a living can help these people. for a living can help these people. for a living can help these people. >> I work for New York Highway Department. >> I work for New York Highway Department. >> I work for New York Highway Department. I um you know, road work, construction, I um you know, road work, construction, I um you know, road work, construction, stuff like that. Never trained for stuff like that. Never trained for stuff like that. Never trained for anything like this. And I learned quick, anything like this. And I learned quick, anything like this. And I learned quick, though. though. though. >> We spent a few hours with some of the >> We spent a few hours with some of the >> We spent a few hours with some of the responders at Stony Brook University. responders at Stony Brook University. responders at Stony Brook University. And as we listened, we realized that for And as we listened, we realized that for And as we listened, we realized that for them, today, Sunday, isn't the 10th them, today, Sunday, isn't the 10th them, today, Sunday, isn't the 10th anniversary of something that happened. anniversary of something that happened. anniversary of something that happened. It's the 10th year of something that It's the 10th year of something that It's the 10th year of something that never ends. In a sense, it's always never ends. In a sense, it's always never ends. In a sense, it's always 9/11. 9/11. 9/11. >> John Gallagher is a former New York City >> John Gallagher is a former New York City >> John Gallagher is a former New York City fire captain suffering with pulmonary fire captain suffering with pulmonary fire captain suffering with pulmonary fibrosis, scarring of the lungs that fibrosis, scarring of the lungs that fibrosis, scarring of the lungs that only gets worse. only gets worse. only gets worse. >> The World Trade Center is still claiming >> The World Trade Center is still claiming >> The World Trade Center is still claiming lives. lives. lives. People have had their lives shortened.

People have had their lives shortened. People have had their lives shortened. People have lost their fathers, their People have lost their fathers, their People have lost their fathers, their their mothers to cancers to lung their mothers to cancers to lung their mothers to cancers to lung diseases, diseases, diseases, anything that you can imagine. anything that you can imagine. anything that you can imagine. Bloodborne diseases, Bloodborne diseases, Bloodborne diseases, people are still dying. Show of hands, people are still dying. Show of hands, people are still dying. Show of hands, how many of you have been living through how many of you have been living through how many of you have been living through medical problems as a result of the work medical problems as a result of the work medical problems as a result of the work that you did in those days? Almost all of you. Bill, give me a sense Almost all of you. Bill, give me a sense of what you've been working through of what you've been working through of what you've been working through healthwise. healthwise. healthwise. >> I have asthma. >> I have asthma. >> I have asthma. I have uh nodules on both lungs. I have uh nodules on both lungs. I have uh nodules on both lungs. Sinusitis, Ryanitis. Sinusitis, Ryanitis. Sinusitis, Ryanitis. >> Bill Fischer was a New York City cop, >> Bill Fischer was a New York City cop, >> Bill Fischer was a New York City cop, now retired. now retired. now retired. >> I I I never smoke. I don't drink. Um I >> I I I never smoke. I don't drink. Um I >> I I I never smoke. I don't drink. Um I go to the gym as often as I can, and go to the gym as often as I can, and go to the gym as often as I can, and it's not as much as I would like to it's not as much as I would like to it's not as much as I would like to anymore. I literally have a bucket of anymore. I literally have a bucket of anymore. I literally have a bucket of about 20 medicines, a plastic bucket about 20 medicines, a plastic bucket about 20 medicines, a plastic bucket that I have to take something during the that I have to take something during the that I have to take something during the day. day. day. >> This is Bill Fiser. He worked at ground >> This is Bill Fiser. He worked at ground >> This is Bill Fiser. He worked at ground zero for 4 months, and like thousands of zero for 4 months, and like thousands of zero for 4 months, and like thousands of others, he was covered in dust that others, he was covered in dust that others, he was covered in dust that contained carcinogens, asbestous, and contained carcinogens, asbestous, and contained carcinogens, asbestous, and toxins too numerous to list. Ken George toxins too numerous to list. Ken George toxins too numerous to list. Ken George was there, too.

was there, too. was there, too. >> He helped recover human remains. >> He helped recover human remains. >> He helped recover human remains. >> Ken, what what has your health >> Ken, what what has your health >> Ken, what what has your health experience meant? experience meant? experience meant? >> Oh, I got a list. Everybody's got a >> Oh, I got a list. Everybody's got a >> Oh, I got a list. Everybody's got a list. It sounds like list. It sounds like list. It sounds like >> it started with uh the 9/11 cough I had, >> it started with uh the 9/11 cough I had, >> it started with uh the 9/11 cough I had, which led me to have RADS, restricted which led me to have RADS, restricted which led me to have RADS, restricted airway disease, which means I can't get airway disease, which means I can't get airway disease, which means I can't get enough oxygen in or out. Like these enough oxygen in or out. Like these enough oxygen in or out. Like these people said the sinuses, I have all people said the sinuses, I have all people said the sinuses, I have all that. So, it's just snowballing out of that. So, it's just snowballing out of that. So, it's just snowballing out of control. You know what I mean? And who control. You know what I mean? And who control. You know what I mean? And who knows in 5 years down the line if I'm knows in 5 years down the line if I'm knows in 5 years down the line if I'm going to wind up with cancer, you know? going to wind up with cancer, you know? going to wind up with cancer, you know? I just want to make sure my family's I just want to make sure my family's I just want to make sure my family's taken care of if anything happens. You taken care of if anything happens. You taken care of if anything happens. You know, I don't want them out in the know, I don't want them out in the know, I don't want them out in the street. street. street. >> Any pain? >> Any pain? >> Any pain? >> Paying their medical bills has been a >> Paying their medical bills has been a >> Paying their medical bills has been a struggle. Funding for the World Trade struggle. Funding for the World Trade struggle. Funding for the World Trade Center Health Program was never certain Center Health Program was never certain Center Health Program was never certain until this year when Congress guaranteed until this year when Congress guaranteed until this year when Congress guaranteed coverage, but that guarantee lasts only coverage, but that guarantee lasts only coverage, but that guarantee lasts only the next 5 years. The illnesses and the the next 5 years. The illnesses and the the next 5 years. The illnesses and the mental trauma are likely to last a mental trauma are likely to last a mental trauma are likely to last a lifetime. One thing nobody's mentioned, lifetime. One thing nobody's mentioned, lifetime. One thing nobody's mentioned, but we all have it. It's like luggage but we all have it. It's like luggage but we all have it. It's like luggage and we have it forever, is the and we have it forever, is the and we have it forever, is the post-traumatic stress. Yep.

post-traumatic stress. Yep. post-traumatic stress. Yep. >> Tyrie Bacon was a senior court officer >> Tyrie Bacon was a senior court officer >> Tyrie Bacon was a senior court officer who worked 10 blocks from the World who worked 10 blocks from the World who worked 10 blocks from the World Trade Center. He reached the towers Trade Center. He reached the towers Trade Center. He reached the towers before they collapsed. before they collapsed. before they collapsed. >> Um, those of us who wear uniforms make a >> Um, those of us who wear uniforms make a >> Um, those of us who wear uniforms make a living out of the worst 10 minutes of living out of the worst 10 minutes of living out of the worst 10 minutes of everybody's lives. 911 was a hell of a everybody's lives. 911 was a hell of a everybody's lives. 911 was a hell of a lot longer than 10 minutes long. Um, lot longer than 10 minutes long. Um, lot longer than 10 minutes long. Um, post-traumatic stress is something that post-traumatic stress is something that post-traumatic stress is something that I have a issue with. Spent a month after I have a issue with. Spent a month after I have a issue with. Spent a month after being caught in the collapse, waking up being caught in the collapse, waking up being caught in the collapse, waking up on the floor, trying to feel my my way on the floor, trying to feel my my way on the floor, trying to feel my my way out of my own bedroom. That went on for out of my own bedroom. That went on for out of my own bedroom. That went on for over a month. over a month. over a month. >> This is Tyrie Bacon in the Oral History >> This is Tyrie Bacon in the Oral History >> This is Tyrie Bacon in the Oral History Project, remembering a woman who grabbed Project, remembering a woman who grabbed Project, remembering a woman who grabbed him by the shirt as one of the towers him by the shirt as one of the towers him by the shirt as one of the towers fell. fell. fell. >> And I told her, I said, "Sweetheart, >> And I told her, I said, "Sweetheart, >> And I told her, I said, "Sweetheart, don't worry. I promise we're getting out don't worry. I promise we're getting out don't worry. I promise we're getting out of here." I flat out lied to her. I of here." I flat out lied to her. I of here." I flat out lied to her. I thought we were going to die where we thought we were going to die where we thought we were going to die where we were. Um, were. Um, were. Um, if I didn't have her, I probably would if I didn't have her, I probably would if I didn't have her, I probably would have curled up in a fetal position have curled up in a fetal position have curled up in a fetal position and just waited to die. When that and just waited to die. When that and just waited to die. When that responder went down to ground zero, responder went down to ground zero, responder went down to ground zero, they were they were they were experiencing experiencing experiencing traumatic events in rapid succession.

traumatic events in rapid succession. traumatic events in rapid succession. buildings falling, girders falling, buildings falling, girders falling, buildings falling, girders falling, tripping, you know, uh people jumping tripping, you know, uh people jumping tripping, you know, uh people jumping out of buildings, seeing tremendous out of buildings, seeing tremendous out of buildings, seeing tremendous amounts of carnage, amounts of carnage, amounts of carnage, >> the fires, >> the fires, >> the fires, >> the fires. Now, it's not occurring over >> the fires. Now, it's not occurring over >> the fires. Now, it's not occurring over a 10-second period of time. It's a 10-second period of time. It's a 10-second period of time. It's occurring over weeks and months, and the occurring over weeks and months, and the occurring over weeks and months, and the same person is experiencing it over and same person is experiencing it over and same person is experiencing it over and over and over again. over and over again. over and over again. The jumpers, I think, were the worst. The jumpers, I think, were the worst. The jumpers, I think, were the worst. You know, to actually see them jump and You know, to actually see them jump and You know, to actually see them jump and and pulverize just in front of you, you and pulverize just in front of you, you and pulverize just in front of you, you know, know, know, that was just horrible. that was just horrible. that was just horrible. >> There was a sound. >> There was a sound. >> There was a sound. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That that made. >> That that made. >> That that made. >> That was first. I'm like, I didn't know >> That was first. I'm like, I didn't know >> That was first. I'm like, I didn't know what that sound was at first. And then what that sound was at first. And then what that sound was at first. And then you go to see what that sound was and you go to see what that sound was and you go to see what that sound was and you realize that it was a person that you realize that it was a person that you realize that it was a person that had just jumped. had just jumped. had just jumped. If it's that bad up there that you have If it's that bad up there that you have If it's that bad up there that you have to jump, you know, a lot we couldn't to jump, you know, a lot we couldn't to jump, you know, a lot we couldn't see. see. see. >> Almost invariably, >> Almost invariably, >> Almost invariably, people come to us afterwards and say, people come to us afterwards and say, people come to us afterwards and say, you know, doc, this is the first time you know, doc, this is the first time you know, doc, this is the first time that I've been able to talk about this.

that I've been able to talk about this. that I've been able to talk about this. This is the first time that I can tell This is the first time that I can tell This is the first time that I can tell others what really happened on 911. In others what really happened on 911. In others what really happened on 911. In the three months that I was there, we the three months that I was there, we the three months that I was there, we found very very few uh found very very few uh found very very few uh victims victims victims found pieces but found pieces but found pieces but not bodies. That was the first time I not bodies. That was the first time I not bodies. That was the first time I ever spoke of uh my experiences at 911. ever spoke of uh my experiences at 911. ever spoke of uh my experiences at 911. I found it uh therapeutic. I found it uh therapeutic. I found it uh therapeutic. >> How many years was it that you didn't >> How many years was it that you didn't >> How many years was it that you didn't talk about 9/11? talk about 9/11? talk about 9/11? >> Seven years. >> Seven years. >> Seven years. >> Why? >> Why? >> Why? >> I didn't want to replay it. I didn't >> I didn't want to replay it. I didn't >> I didn't want to replay it. I didn't want to, you know, I lived it. I didn't want to, you know, I lived it. I didn't want to, you know, I lived it. I didn't want to relive it. want to relive it. want to relive it. >> I didn't think it was such a great idea >> I didn't think it was such a great idea >> I didn't think it was such a great idea because I think a lot of us buried that because I think a lot of us buried that because I think a lot of us buried that day. day. day. >> Christine Fameleti was a New York City >> Christine Fameleti was a New York City >> Christine Fameleti was a New York City cop, now retired. cop, now retired. cop, now retired. >> And to to really bring it up and hash it >> And to to really bring it up and hash it >> And to to really bring it up and hash it up again and really discuss in depth was up again and really discuss in depth was up again and really discuss in depth was uh was a little fe, you know, I was a uh was a little fe, you know, I was a uh was a little fe, you know, I was a little fearful of that. In the long run, little fearful of that. In the long run, little fearful of that. In the long run, I I I was glad I did it. I I I was glad I did it. I I I was glad I did it. >> That's how I've gotten through my PTSD >> That's how I've gotten through my PTSD >> That's how I've gotten through my PTSD is by talking about it. And sometimes is by talking about it. And sometimes is by talking about it. And sometimes it's difficult, sometimes it's not, but it's difficult, sometimes it's not, but it's difficult, sometimes it's not, but it it's helped me a great deal talking it it's helped me a great deal talking it it's helped me a great deal talking about it, you know, helps me sleep at about it, you know, helps me sleep at about it, you know, helps me sleep at night. I think a lot of folks at home night. I think a lot of folks at home night. I think a lot of folks at home would like to know after 10 years, would would like to know after 10 years, would would like to know after 10 years, would you consider in terms of their mental you consider in terms of their mental you consider in terms of their mental health? Would you consider a lot of health? Would you consider a lot of health? Would you consider a lot of these patients to be better? I do these patients to be better? I do these patients to be better? I do believe that they are better from the believe that they are better from the believe that they are better from the point of view of moving on with their point of view of moving on with their point of view of moving on with their lives and be having become much more

lives and be having become much more lives and be having become much more adaptable. adaptable. adaptable. But I don't think they ever let leave it But I don't think they ever let leave it But I don't think they ever let leave it behind. It's a constant part of their behind. It's a constant part of their behind. It's a constant part of their life. I think that that's true for any life. I think that that's true for any life. I think that that's true for any great event that occurs, but especially great event that occurs, but especially great event that occurs, but especially true for this event which was etched true for this event which was etched true for this event which was etched into their consciousness. into their consciousness. into their consciousness. >> Dr. Love's interviews are now a >> Dr. Love's interviews are now a >> Dr. Love's interviews are now a documentary and also a book called We're documentary and also a book called We're documentary and also a book called We're Not Leaving, the memorable quote from Not Leaving, the memorable quote from Not Leaving, the memorable quote from Officer Carol Paulner to that FBI agent Officer Carol Paulner to that FBI agent Officer Carol Paulner to that FBI agent who had urged her to run. The profits who had urged her to run. The profits who had urged her to run. The profits will go to scholarships and job training will go to scholarships and job training will go to scholarships and job training for the responders and their families. for the responders and their families. for the responders and their families. John Field was a demolition expert who John Field was a demolition expert who John Field was a demolition expert who helped move the wreckage. helped move the wreckage. helped move the wreckage. >> These men and women to the left and >> These men and women to the left and >> These men and women to the left and right of me behind me, they're the best right of me behind me, they're the best right of me behind me, they're the best of the best of what America offered 10 of the best of what America offered 10 of the best of what America offered 10 years ago. We can't change history. years ago. We can't change history. years ago. We can't change history. and through their eyes, they're telling and through their eyes, they're telling and through their eyes, they're telling America what they've seen, what they America what they've seen, what they America what they've seen, what they did, and what they're going through 10 did, and what they're going through 10 did, and what they're going through 10 years later. And and that is priceless. years later. And and that is priceless. years later. And and that is priceless. Now, the Library of Congress is looking Now, the Library of Congress is looking Now, the Library of Congress is looking into adding the interviews to its into adding the interviews to its into adding the interviews to its permanent collection to be kept for all permanent collection to be kept for all permanent collection to be kept for all time so that generations can hear the time so that generations can hear the time so that generations can hear the unedited, unvarnished reality as unedited, unvarnished reality as unedited, unvarnished reality as experienced by the people who were experienced by the people who were experienced by the people who were there.

there. there. >> One thing I want to say, the real heroes >> One thing I want to say, the real heroes >> One thing I want to say, the real heroes out of this stuff are dead. out of this stuff are dead. out of this stuff are dead. >> Thank you. Absolutely. not here. Nobody >> Thank you. Absolutely. not here. Nobody >> Thank you. Absolutely. not here. Nobody here is a is a hero. We just did what here is a is a hero. We just did what here is a is a hero. We just did what everybody else did. everybody else did. everybody else did. The the true heroes are people went into The the true heroes are people went into The the true heroes are people went into those buildings and they never made it those buildings and they never made it those buildings and they never made it out. At times like these with the bombs in At times like these with the bombs in Boston, many of us can't help but be Boston, many of us can't help but be Boston, many of us can't help but be drawn back to the horrific events of drawn back to the horrific events of drawn back to the horrific events of September 11th, 2001. September 11th, 2001. September 11th, 2001. About a year from now, at ground zero in About a year from now, at ground zero in About a year from now, at ground zero in New York City, one of the largest and New York City, one of the largest and New York City, one of the largest and most ambitious memorial museums in the most ambitious memorial museums in the most ambitious memorial museums in the world is scheduled to open its doors to world is scheduled to open its doors to world is scheduled to open its doors to tell the story of that day, the National tell the story of that day, the National tell the story of that day, the National September 11th Memorial Museum. It'll September 11th Memorial Museum. It'll September 11th Memorial Museum. It'll actually be located below ground, seven actually be located below ground, seven actually be located below ground, seven stories down. It's a project that's been stories down. It's a project that's been stories down. It's a project that's been plagued by delays, by funding battles, plagued by delays, by funding battles, plagued by delays, by funding battles, even a flood thanks to Hurricane Sandy.

even a flood thanks to Hurricane Sandy. even a flood thanks to Hurricane Sandy. But if you can believe it, those things But if you can believe it, those things But if you can believe it, those things were the easy part. The bigger were the easy part. The bigger were the easy part. The bigger challenge, how do you convey the horror challenge, how do you convey the horror challenge, how do you convey the horror of 9/11 without making it unbearable? of 9/11 without making it unbearable? of 9/11 without making it unbearable? Memorialize a day most of us wish we Memorialize a day most of us wish we Memorialize a day most of us wish we could forget. Tonight, we'll take you could forget. Tonight, we'll take you could forget. Tonight, we'll take you down below for a first in-depth look at down below for a first in-depth look at down below for a first in-depth look at what our nation's 911 museum will be. what our nation's 911 museum will be. what our nation's 911 museum will be. Ground zero above ground is today a Ground zero above ground is today a Ground zero above ground is today a place of rebuilding and remembrance. At place of rebuilding and remembrance. At place of rebuilding and remembrance. At its center is a serene memorial plaza its center is a serene memorial plaza its center is a serene memorial plaza with two giant cascading pools. Twin with two giant cascading pools. Twin with two giant cascading pools. Twin voids set into the footprints where the voids set into the footprints where the voids set into the footprints where the towers of the World Trade Center once towers of the World Trade Center once towers of the World Trade Center once stood. Each pool is surrounded by names, stood. Each pool is surrounded by names, stood. Each pool is surrounded by names, 2,983 2,983 2,983 of them, plus some who didn't even have of them, plus some who didn't even have of them, plus some who didn't even have a name. It's quiet and powerful as a name. It's quiet and powerful as a name. It's quiet and powerful as people come, over 7 million so far, to people come, over 7 million so far, to people come, over 7 million so far, to touch and feel. and in some cases mourn touch and feel. and in some cases mourn touch and feel. and in some cases mourn fathers, sisters, children. But you fathers, sisters, children. But you fathers, sisters, children. But you won't find anything here about what won't find anything here about what won't find anything here about what actually happened on 9/11. Nothing about actually happened on 9/11. Nothing about actually happened on 9/11. Nothing about the buildings, the planes, nothing about the buildings, the planes, nothing about the buildings, the planes, nothing about the terrorists. All that will be the job the terrorists. All that will be the job the terrorists. All that will be the job of the museum and its director, Alice of the museum and its director, Alice of the museum and its director, Alice Greenwald. We occupy literally the space Greenwald. We occupy literally the space Greenwald. We occupy literally the space below the memorial plaza, and it's the below the memorial plaza, and it's the below the memorial plaza, and it's the art.

art. art. >> So, we're walking, you're walking on the >> So, we're walking, you're walking on the >> So, we're walking, you're walking on the roof of the museum. This is not roof of the museum. This is not roof of the museum. This is not Greenwall's first job on a project about Greenwall's first job on a project about Greenwall's first job on a project about a painful subject. She came here from a painful subject. She came here from a painful subject. She came here from the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC. the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC. the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC. >> Just watch your step, Leslie. It is a >> Just watch your step, Leslie. It is a >> Just watch your step, Leslie. It is a construction site. construction site. construction site. >> But at this construction site, the >> But at this construction site, the >> But at this construction site, the issues go far beyond where to put the issues go far beyond where to put the issues go far beyond where to put the walls. Virtually every decision here is walls. Virtually every decision here is walls. Virtually every decision here is fraught with meaning. As you descend fraught with meaning. As you descend fraught with meaning. As you descend past two 50tonon beams recovered from past two 50tonon beams recovered from past two 50tonon beams recovered from the wreckage into a space, the wreckage into a space, the wreckage into a space, >> Welcome to Foundation Hall that takes >> Welcome to Foundation Hall that takes >> Welcome to Foundation Hall that takes your breath away. your breath away. your breath away. It's haunting and a little chilling It's haunting and a little chilling It's haunting and a little chilling knowing you're in the belly of ground knowing you're in the belly of ground knowing you're in the belly of ground zero in the place where so many innocent zero in the place where so many innocent zero in the place where so many innocent people lost their lives. people lost their lives. people lost their lives. >> So here we are. We're right where the >> So here we are. We're right where the >> So here we are. We're right where the buildings collapsed. We're in it. buildings collapsed. We're in it. buildings collapsed. We're in it. >> Most museums are buildings that house >> Most museums are buildings that house >> Most museums are buildings that house artifacts. We're a museum in an artifacts. We're a museum in an artifacts. We're a museum in an artifact. artifact. artifact. >> Where we are is almost sacred. I think >> Where we are is almost sacred. I think >> Where we are is almost sacred. I think you are become super conscious of where you are become super conscious of where you are become super conscious of where you're standing and that's a powerful you're standing and that's a powerful you're standing and that's a powerful thing. It's a very powerful thing.

thing. It's a very powerful thing. thing. It's a very powerful thing. >> It's the authentic. >> It's the authentic. >> It's the authentic. >> It is sacred and how >> It is sacred and how >> It is sacred and how >> we spoke with four family members who >> we spoke with four family members who >> we spoke with four family members who are also members of the museum's board. are also members of the museum's board. are also members of the museum's board. Paula Grant Barry's husband, David, Paula Grant Barry's husband, David, Paula Grant Barry's husband, David, worked in tower 2, as did Monica Iikin's worked in tower 2, as did Monica Iikin's worked in tower 2, as did Monica Iikin's husband, Michael. And Thula Katamatus' husband, Michael. And Thula Katamatus' husband, Michael. And Thula Katamatus' brother, John, was in tower 1. And Tom brother, John, was in tower 1. And Tom brother, John, was in tower 1. And Tom Roer's daughter, Jean, was a flight Roer's daughter, Jean, was a flight Roer's daughter, Jean, was a flight attendant on American Airlines Flight attendant on American Airlines Flight attendant on American Airlines Flight 11. 11. 11. >> The site radiates something for us all >> The site radiates something for us all >> The site radiates something for us all in a very special way. in a very special way. in a very special way. >> That's where the final resting place of >> That's where the final resting place of >> That's where the final resting place of our love is. our love is. our love is. >> It has to be there. >> It has to be there. >> It has to be there. >> Has to be there. >> Has to be there. >> Has to be there. >> And you can feel it. This is the remnant >> And you can feel it. This is the remnant >> And you can feel it. This is the remnant of the exterior structure that made up of the exterior structure that made up of the exterior structure that made up the Twin Towers. the Twin Towers. the Twin Towers. >> One of Greenwall's first challenges in >> One of Greenwall's first challenges in >> One of Greenwall's first challenges in this hallowed space was deciding where this hallowed space was deciding where this hallowed space was deciding where the story of 9/11 should begin. We begin the story of 9/11 should begin. We begin the story of 9/11 should begin. We begin with the voices of people from around with the voices of people from around with the voices of people from around the world. the world. the world. >> I was driving to work. >> I was driving to work. >> I was driving to work. >> Remembering where they were when they >> Remembering where they were when they >> Remembering where they were when they heard about the attack. heard about the attack. heard about the attack. >> Barged in and said, "Oh my god, a plane >> Barged in and said, "Oh my god, a plane >> Barged in and said, "Oh my god, a plane has just crashed into the World Trade has just crashed into the World Trade has just crashed into the World Trade Center." The idea is to acknowledge that Center." The idea is to acknowledge that Center." The idea is to acknowledge that most visitors will bring their own most visitors will bring their own most visitors will bring their own memories of 911, which was witnessed memories of 911, which was witnessed memories of 911, which was witnessed within hours by people all across the within hours by people all across the within hours by people all across the globe.

globe. globe. >> Phone rang, woke me up. My business >> Phone rang, woke me up. My business >> Phone rang, woke me up. My business partner told me to turn on television. partner told me to turn on television. partner told me to turn on television. >> Greenwall says, "We are all survivors of >> Greenwall says, "We are all survivors of >> Greenwall says, "We are all survivors of 9/11. So, it's fitting that visitors 9/11. So, it's fitting that visitors 9/11. So, it's fitting that visitors will descend to the main exhibits of the will descend to the main exhibits of the will descend to the main exhibits of the museum beside an enormous staircase, now museum beside an enormous staircase, now museum beside an enormous staircase, now encased in wood, that served as an encased in wood, that served as an encased in wood, that served as an escape route on 911. Hundreds of people escape route on 911. Hundreds of people escape route on 911. Hundreds of people ran to safety down this stair. The ran to safety down this stair. The ran to safety down this stair. The so-called survivor staircase is one of so-called survivor staircase is one of so-called survivor staircase is one of several artifacts so big the museum had several artifacts so big the museum had several artifacts so big the museum had to be built around them. Like this fire to be built around them. Like this fire to be built around them. Like this fire engine lowered in through a hatch in the engine lowered in through a hatch in the engine lowered in through a hatch in the roof that will honor first responders, roof that will honor first responders, roof that will honor first responders, 441 of whom lost their lives. And the 441 of whom lost their lives. And the 441 of whom lost their lives. And the famous last column, the final massive famous last column, the final massive famous last column, the final massive remnant of the towers to be removed from remnant of the towers to be removed from remnant of the towers to be removed from the site. the site. the site. >> So there's no sound. But we found that >> So there's no sound. But we found that >> So there's no sound. But we found that some of the most powerful things on some of the most powerful things on some of the most powerful things on display here display here display here >> so that's flight 11 takes off from >> so that's flight 11 takes off from >> so that's flight 11 takes off from Boston won't be physical artifacts at Boston won't be physical artifacts at Boston won't be physical artifacts at all. all. all. >> Oh look the second plane. >> Oh look the second plane. >> Oh look the second plane. >> A large projection on the wall will show >> A large projection on the wall will show >> A large projection on the wall will show the morning of 911 as it played out in the morning of 911 as it played out in the morning of 911 as it played out in the air.

the air. the air. >> Flight 11 is hijacked. >> Flight 11 is hijacked. >> Flight 11 is hijacked. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Meanwhile, flight 77 leaves with the >> Meanwhile, flight 77 leaves with the >> Meanwhile, flight 77 leaves with the simultaneous flight paths of the four simultaneous flight paths of the four simultaneous flight paths of the four planes. planes. planes. >> Look at that. >> Look at that. >> Look at that. >> And now flight 93 takes off. Oh, impact >> And now flight 93 takes off. Oh, impact >> And now flight 93 takes off. Oh, impact has already happened in New York. Look has already happened in New York. Look has already happened in New York. Look at this. at this. at this. >> And then flight 93 is hijacked. Turns >> And then flight 93 is hijacked. Turns >> And then flight 93 is hijacked. Turns around. around. around. >> Among the agonizing decisions for the >> Among the agonizing decisions for the >> Among the agonizing decisions for the museum, should they include the museum, should they include the museum, should they include the voicemail messages left by passengers voicemail messages left by passengers voicemail messages left by passengers aboard those planes and other victims of aboard those planes and other victims of aboard those planes and other victims of 9/11 for their loved ones. One adviser 9/11 for their loved ones. One adviser 9/11 for their loved ones. One adviser told Greenwall to think of these told Greenwall to think of these told Greenwall to think of these recordings as a form of human remains. recordings as a form of human remains. recordings as a form of human remains. What he said, and I've never forgotten What he said, and I've never forgotten What he said, and I've never forgotten it, is that sound can be a more it, is that sound can be a more it, is that sound can be a more emotional form of communication because emotional form of communication because emotional form of communication because you hear the timber of the human voice. you hear the timber of the human voice. you hear the timber of the human voice. >> Baby, you have to listen to me >> Baby, you have to listen to me >> Baby, you have to listen to me carefully. I'm on a plane that's been carefully. I'm on a plane that's been carefully. I'm on a plane that's been hijacked. I'm hijacked. I'm hijacked. I'm >> They plan to include a few recordings, >> They plan to include a few recordings, >> They plan to include a few recordings, seek permission from family members, and seek permission from family members, and seek permission from family members, and use them only with a purpose. This one use them only with a purpose. This one use them only with a purpose. This one from flight attendant Cece Lyles to her from flight attendant Cece Lyles to her from flight attendant Cece Lyles to her husband as a testament to the husband as a testament to the husband as a testament to the professionalism of the hijacked crews.

professionalism of the hijacked crews. professionalism of the hijacked crews. There's three guys. They've hijacked the There's three guys. They've hijacked the There's three guys. They've hijacked the plane. I'm trying to be calm. plane. I'm trying to be calm. plane. I'm trying to be calm. >> She is so composed. She's in flight >> She is so composed. She's in flight >> She is so composed. She's in flight attendant. She's in flight attendant attendant. She's in flight attendant attendant. She's in flight attendant mode. And at the very end of the call, mode. And at the very end of the call, mode. And at the very end of the call, she says something like, um, I hope I she says something like, um, I hope I she says something like, um, I hope I see you again, baby. see you again, baby. see you again, baby. >> I hope to be able to see your face >> I hope to be able to see your face >> I hope to be able to see your face again, baby. I love you. Bye. again, baby. I love you. Bye. again, baby. I love you. Bye. >> End of message. >> End of message. >> End of message. >> Oh my goodness. And of course, audio is >> Oh my goodness. And of course, audio is >> Oh my goodness. And of course, audio is just the beginning of the sensitive just the beginning of the sensitive just the beginning of the sensitive questions about what should be questions about what should be questions about what should be exhibited. Let me ask you, what about exhibited. Let me ask you, what about exhibited. Let me ask you, what about some of the horrific some of the horrific some of the horrific shots, for example, of people jumping? shots, for example, of people jumping? shots, for example, of people jumping? This is probably, as far as I'm This is probably, as far as I'm This is probably, as far as I'm concerned, the most sensitive question concerned, the most sensitive question concerned, the most sensitive question for this museum. for this museum. for this museum. >> We went through a lot of debate >> We went through a lot of debate >> We went through a lot of debate internally about, do we show that side internally about, do we show that side internally about, do we show that side of the story? of the story? of the story? >> On the morning of September 11th, Joe >> On the morning of September 11th, Joe >> On the morning of September 11th, Joe Daniels came out of the subway to the Daniels came out of the subway to the Daniels came out of the subway to the gruesome site of bodies falling from the gruesome site of bodies falling from the gruesome site of bodies falling from the North Tower. Today he is president of North Tower. Today he is president of North Tower. Today he is president of the 9/11 memorial and museum.

the 9/11 memorial and museum. the 9/11 memorial and museum. >> You never want to have to see that >> You never want to have to see that >> You never want to have to see that someone 100 stories up a thousand feet someone 100 stories up a thousand feet someone 100 stories up a thousand feet in the air having to make that kind of in the air having to make that kind of in the air having to make that kind of choice. On the same time there's a very choice. On the same time there's a very choice. On the same time there's a very strong feeling is that this was a part strong feeling is that this was a part strong feeling is that this was a part of the story that a group of people from of the story that a group of people from of the story that a group of people from this group al-Qaeda put innocent people this group al-Qaeda put innocent people this group al-Qaeda put innocent people in a position to have to do that. in a position to have to do that. in a position to have to do that. >> When you think about what terrorism >> When you think about what terrorism >> When you think about what terrorism means, this really says it. Absolutely. means, this really says it. Absolutely. means, this really says it. Absolutely. It's an impossible thing for a human It's an impossible thing for a human It's an impossible thing for a human being to do to another human being. And being to do to another human being. And being to do to another human being. And yet it became possible on 9/11. So for yet it became possible on 9/11. So for yet it became possible on 9/11. So for us not to acknowledge that would be to us not to acknowledge that would be to us not to acknowledge that would be to not be true to the story. But how? With not be true to the story. But how? With not be true to the story. But how? With video of people falling or photographs? video of people falling or photographs? video of people falling or photographs? And what about the feelings of family And what about the feelings of family And what about the feelings of family members? Greenwall told us that she members? Greenwall told us that she members? Greenwall told us that she knows that some will never want to see knows that some will never want to see knows that some will never want to see an exhibit on this subject, but many an exhibit on this subject, but many an exhibit on this subject, but many argued strongly that it had to be there. argued strongly that it had to be there. argued strongly that it had to be there. I have to say that we were also um I I I have to say that we were also um I I I have to say that we were also um I I don't want to say accosted that's a don't want to say accosted that's a don't want to say accosted that's a little strong but you know shaken by the little strong but you know shaken by the little strong but you know shaken by the lapels by family members who said you lapels by family members who said you lapels by family members who said you have to tell the story don't whitewash have to tell the story don't whitewash have to tell the story don't whitewash this story tell it like it was the world this story tell it like it was the world this story tell it like it was the world needs to know needs to know needs to know >> so we ultimately decided that we will >> so we ultimately decided that we will >> so we ultimately decided that we will include an exhibit but do it in a way in include an exhibit but do it in a way in include an exhibit but do it in a way in an al cove where people will be clearly an al cove where people will be clearly an al cove where people will be clearly warned if they don't want to see it or warned if they don't want to see it or warned if they don't want to see it or have their family see it they can easily have their family see it they can easily have their family see it they can easily avoid it avoid it avoid it >> one exhibit they want everyone to see is >> one exhibit they want everyone to see is >> one exhibit they want everyone to see is what Greenwall calls the heart of this what Greenwall calls the heart of this what Greenwall calls the heart of this museum. A space devoted to honoring the museum. A space devoted to honoring the museum. A space devoted to honoring the victim's lives with photographs of each

victim's lives with photographs of each victim's lives with photographs of each of them lining the walls. Those giant of them lining the walls. Those giant of them lining the walls. Those giant walls out there go all the way up. walls out there go all the way up. walls out there go all the way up. >> Every bit of space will be covered with >> Every bit of space will be covered with >> Every bit of space will be covered with faces. faces. faces. >> Yes. The impression will be that you are >> Yes. The impression will be that you are >> Yes. The impression will be that you are surrounded by nearly 3,000 faces. surrounded by nearly 3,000 faces. surrounded by nearly 3,000 faces. >> These are the photographs that will >> These are the photographs that will >> These are the photographs that will cover those walls. cover those walls. cover those walls. >> Look at those faces. >> Look at those faces. >> Look at those faces. Look at all those faces. Look at all those faces. Look at all those faces. >> They're ages 2 and a half to 85 from >> They're ages 2 and a half to 85 from >> They're ages 2 and a half to 85 from over 90 countries, every sector of the over 90 countries, every sector of the over 90 countries, every sector of the economy, every possible ethnic group. economy, every possible ethnic group. economy, every possible ethnic group. Visitors will be able to search these Visitors will be able to search these Visitors will be able to search these interactive tables and call up profiles interactive tables and call up profiles interactive tables and call up profiles of each person with photos and recorded of each person with photos and recorded of each person with photos and recorded remembrances by family members and remembrances by family members and remembrances by family members and friends like this one by the father of friends like this one by the father of friends like this one by the father of Paul Aquaviva who died in Tower 1. He Paul Aquaviva who died in Tower 1. He Paul Aquaviva who died in Tower 1. He never had a bad word literally to say never had a bad word literally to say never had a bad word literally to say about anybody. He always looked at the about anybody. He always looked at the about anybody. He always looked at the positive. You know, I know to be honest positive. You know, I know to be honest positive. You know, I know to be honest with you, he didn't get it from me cuz with you, he didn't get it from me cuz with you, he didn't get it from me cuz I'm very critical at times.

I'm very critical at times. I'm very critical at times. >> To me, that was one of the most >> To me, that was one of the most >> To me, that was one of the most important things about Paul. important things about Paul. important things about Paul. >> Some of them are funny, some of them are >> Some of them are funny, some of them are >> Some of them are funny, some of them are sweet, and we're not telling you who sweet, and we're not telling you who sweet, and we're not telling you who they are. Their loved ones are telling they are. Their loved ones are telling they are. Their loved ones are telling you who they are. you who they are. you who they are. >> Visitors can also search by birthplace >> Visitors can also search by birthplace >> Visitors can also search by birthplace or by company. Example, if I call up or by company. Example, if I call up or by company. Example, if I call up Caner, Caner, Caner, >> Caner Fitzgerald was the company that >> Caner Fitzgerald was the company that >> Caner Fitzgerald was the company that lost more employees than any other lost more employees than any other lost more employees than any other >> 658 people. >> 658 people. >> 658 people. >> Look at that. >> Look at that. >> Look at that. >> You died on 911 at >> You died on 911 at >> You died on 911 at >> that one company. >> that one company. >> that one company. >> One of the 658 was John Katamatus and >> One of the 658 was John Katamatus and >> One of the 658 was John Katamatus and Thula's brother. Thula's brother. Thula's brother. >> Four of us growing up, George, John, >> Four of us growing up, George, John, >> Four of us growing up, George, John, myself, and Michael. myself, and Michael. myself, and Michael. >> We were there the day she brought photos >> We were there the day she brought photos >> We were there the day she brought photos to contribute to John's profile to the to contribute to John's profile to the to contribute to John's profile to the museum's chief curator. Well, that is museum's chief curator. Well, that is museum's chief curator. Well, that is just so cute. just so cute. just so cute. >> I know. >> I know. >> I know. >> What's it like to go through the >> What's it like to go through the >> What's it like to go through the photographs and choose I had an photographs and choose I had an photographs and choose I had an extremely difficult time doing that. Um extremely difficult time doing that. Um extremely difficult time doing that. Um because you know, you see him as a child because you know, you see him as a child because you know, you see him as a child growing up, you know, and then as a best growing up, you know, and then as a best growing up, you know, and then as a best man in all of his best friends weddings, man in all of his best friends weddings, man in all of his best friends weddings, you know, so it's like, well, which one you know, so it's like, well, which one you know, so it's like, well, which one do you pick? Because you just are so sad do you pick? Because you just are so sad do you pick? Because you just are so sad that the pictures stop here, that the pictures stop here, that the pictures stop here, >> right?

>> right? >> right? family members all share the devastation family members all share the devastation family members all share the devastation of their loss. But the museum discovered of their loss. But the museum discovered of their loss. But the museum discovered that they are hardly a monolithic block. that they are hardly a monolithic block. that they are hardly a monolithic block. >> It's the families of nearly 3,000 >> It's the families of nearly 3,000 >> It's the families of nearly 3,000 people. It's, you know, probably 10 people. It's, you know, probably 10 people. It's, you know, probably 10 12,000 people. All of whom have their 12,000 people. All of whom have their 12,000 people. All of whom have their own perspectives, their own desires, uh own perspectives, their own desires, uh own perspectives, their own desires, uh their own ideas about what kind of their own ideas about what kind of their own ideas about what kind of museum should be here. Was absolutely museum should be here. Was absolutely museum should be here. Was absolutely every single tiny little thing an every single tiny little thing an every single tiny little thing an argument. argument. argument. >> There were lots of issues and lots of >> There were lots of issues and lots of >> There were lots of issues and lots of issues. issues. issues. like whether to exhibit pictures of the like whether to exhibit pictures of the like whether to exhibit pictures of the perpetrators. And what about Osama bin perpetrators. And what about Osama bin perpetrators. And what about Osama bin Laden? Do they belong in the 9/11 Laden? Do they belong in the 9/11 Laden? Do they belong in the 9/11 museum? museum? museum? >> Well, what was the argument for not >> Well, what was the argument for not >> Well, what was the argument for not showing Osama bin Laden showing Osama bin Laden showing Osama bin Laden >> that on this this actual ground where >> that on this this actual ground where >> that on this this actual ground where the atrocity took place, this graveyard the atrocity took place, this graveyard the atrocity took place, this graveyard to some extent? How could you demean the to some extent? How could you demean the to some extent? How could you demean the memory of my loved one by showing the memory of my loved one by showing the memory of my loved one by showing the image of the person that murdered him? image of the person that murdered him? image of the person that murdered him? But other family members took the But other family members took the But other family members took the opposite view, demanding accountability.

opposite view, demanding accountability. opposite view, demanding accountability. >> It was absolutely important to >> It was absolutely important to >> It was absolutely important to >> point fingers. >> point fingers. >> point fingers. >> You have to tell the story. >> You have to tell the story. >> You have to tell the story. >> You know, we had to express who did this >> You know, we had to express who did this >> You know, we had to express who did this to our loved ones. to our loved ones. to our loved ones. >> We don't want any child or adult or >> We don't want any child or adult or >> We don't want any child or adult or student to walk through this museum and student to walk through this museum and student to walk through this museum and not leave knowing who did this to us, not leave knowing who did this to us, not leave knowing who did this to us, which is why we're going to go ahead and which is why we're going to go ahead and which is why we're going to go ahead and show those images. But the museum also show those images. But the museum also show those images. But the museum also wants people to know the stories of wants people to know the stories of wants people to know the stories of heroism and selflessness, the spirit of heroism and selflessness, the spirit of heroism and selflessness, the spirit of unity after the attacks. So there will unity after the attacks. So there will unity after the attacks. So there will be tributes here to recovery workers and be tributes here to recovery workers and be tributes here to recovery workers and volunteers. volunteers. volunteers. By the time this museum opens its doors By the time this museum opens its doors By the time this museum opens its doors next year, virtually no one under the next year, virtually no one under the next year, virtually no one under the age of 17 will have a firstirhand memory age of 17 will have a firstirhand memory age of 17 will have a firstirhand memory of September 11th, 2001. For almost a of September 11th, 2001. For almost a of September 11th, 2001. For almost a quarter of the population, 9/11 will not quarter of the population, 9/11 will not quarter of the population, 9/11 will not be a searing memory. It'll be well be a searing memory. It'll be well be a searing memory. It'll be well something to learn about in a museum. something to learn about in a museum. something to learn about in a museum. >> We are worried about the children who >> We are worried about the children who >> We are worried about the children who don't remember 9/11. don't remember 9/11. don't remember 9/11. >> Yes.

>> Yes. >> Yes. >> And this is the way to tell exactly what >> And this is the way to tell exactly what >> And this is the way to tell exactly what happened to future generations so no one happened to future generations so no one happened to future generations so no one ever forgets. ever forgets. ever forgets. >> Even the painful, maybe most >> Even the painful, maybe most >> Even the painful, maybe most particularly the painful, particularly the painful, particularly the painful, >> right? We're not talking about a simple >> right? We're not talking about a simple >> right? We're not talking about a simple little happening, you know? We're little happening, you know? We're little happening, you know? We're talking about a brutal attack on our talking about a brutal attack on our talking about a brutal attack on our country, you know, where 3,000 people country, you know, where 3,000 people country, you know, where 3,000 people were innocent and they were murdered were innocent and they were murdered were innocent and they were murdered that day. This month, against all odds and This month, against all odds and expectations, the remains of three expectations, the remains of three expectations, the remains of three victims of the 9/11 attack on the World victims of the 9/11 attack on the World victims of the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center were identified for the Trade Center were identified for the Trade Center were identified for the first time. After nearly a quarter first time. After nearly a quarter first time. After nearly a quarter century, the New York City Office of the century, the New York City Office of the century, the New York City Office of the Chief Medical Examiner announced that it Chief Medical Examiner announced that it Chief Medical Examiner announced that it had put names to fragmentaryary remains had put names to fragmentaryary remains had put names to fragmentaryary remains using the latest advances in DNA using the latest advances in DNA using the latest advances in DNA technology. As we first reported last technology. As we first reported last technology. As we first reported last year, not many are aware, but the year, not many are aware, but the year, not many are aware, but the medical examiner made a promise to medical examiner made a promise to medical examiner made a promise to identify the lost souls of 911. And that identify the lost souls of 911. And that identify the lost souls of 911. And that work has never stopped because more than work has never stopped because more than work has never stopped because more than 1,000 families still wait for word.

1,000 families still wait for word. 1,000 families still wait for word. You're about to meet two for whom the You're about to meet two for whom the You're about to meet two for whom the promise was kept. For Ellen Nan, the promise was kept. For Ellen Nan, the promise was kept. For Ellen Nan, the moment came in December 2023. moment came in December 2023. moment came in December 2023. She was decorating her Christmas tree She was decorating her Christmas tree She was decorating her Christmas tree when two police officers came to her when two police officers came to her when two police officers came to her door with news of her husband, John, who door with news of her husband, John, who door with news of her husband, John, who had been missing 22 years. had been missing 22 years. had been missing 22 years. >> John was my husband. I met him when I >> John was my husband. I met him when I >> John was my husband. I met him when I was 24 years old and had moved to New was 24 years old and had moved to New was 24 years old and had moved to New York. Incredible person described by York. Incredible person described by York. Incredible person described by people who knew him as a real gentleman, people who knew him as a real gentleman, people who knew him as a real gentleman, very old school, old soul, wonderful very old school, old soul, wonderful very old school, old soul, wonderful father. father. father. um very happy when we had our our young um very happy when we had our our young um very happy when we had our our young son and spent a lot of time with him. Uh son and spent a lot of time with him. Uh son and spent a lot of time with him. Uh great friend to a lot of a lot of great friend to a lot of a lot of great friend to a lot of a lot of people. people. people. >> John Nan was a 44year-old insurance >> John Nan was a 44year-old insurance >> John Nan was a 44year-old insurance executive bound for his office on the executive bound for his office on the executive bound for his office on the 105th floor of the South Tower as the 105th floor of the South Tower as the 105th floor of the South Tower as the terrorist attack began.

The first building was hit. The first building was hit. >> John was in the second building. >> John was in the second building. >> John was in the second building. >> The South Tower. Yes. >> The South Tower. Yes. >> The South Tower. Yes. >> And he had an opportunity to call you. >> And he had an opportunity to call you. >> And he had an opportunity to call you. >> Yes. He said, "Hi, honey. It's me. Uh, >> Yes. He said, "Hi, honey. It's me. Uh, >> Yes. He said, "Hi, honey. It's me. Uh, if you hear anything on the news, don't if you hear anything on the news, don't if you hear anything on the news, don't worry. I'm okay." It was the other worry. I'm okay." It was the other worry. I'm okay." It was the other building. >> In the other building, a different >> In the other building, a different family tragedy was unfolding. family tragedy was unfolding. family tragedy was unfolding. 25-year-old Hobberman Andrea L had just 25-year-old Hobberman Andrea L had just 25-year-old Hobberman Andrea L had just received a visitor pass on her first received a visitor pass on her first received a visitor pass on her first trip to her company's headquarters on trip to her company's headquarters on trip to her company's headquarters on the 92nd floor. Back home in Chicago, the 92nd floor. Back home in Chicago, the 92nd floor. Back home in Chicago, Andy, as her family called her, had just Andy, as her family called her, had just Andy, as her family called her, had just been fitted for her wedding dress been fitted for her wedding dress been fitted for her wedding dress >> in Wisconsin. Her mother Kathy was >> in Wisconsin. Her mother Kathy was >> in Wisconsin. Her mother Kathy was watching the news. watching the news. watching the news. >> I was shocked and I ran upstairs to wake >> I was shocked and I ran upstairs to wake >> I was shocked and I ran upstairs to wake up Gordy to tell him. And then I came up Gordy to tell him. And then I came up Gordy to tell him. And then I came back downstairs just in time back downstairs just in time back downstairs just in time >> to see the second plane hit.

>> to see the second plane hit. >> to see the second plane hit. >> That was United Flight 175. As Gordon >> That was United Flight 175. As Gordon >> That was United Flight 175. As Gordon Hubberman joined his wife, Hubberman joined his wife, Hubberman joined his wife, >> I threw a cup against the wall. I >> I threw a cup against the wall. I >> I threw a cup against the wall. I remember that thing is we didn't know remember that thing is we didn't know remember that thing is we didn't know what tower she was in. what tower she was in. what tower she was in. We didn't know where she lived. We didn't know where she lived. We didn't know where she lived. The search for Andrea Hobberman, John The search for Andrea Hobberman, John The search for Andrea Hobberman, John Nan, and nearly 3,000 others would Nan, and nearly 3,000 others would Nan, and nearly 3,000 others would become the passion of Dr. Charles Hirs, become the passion of Dr. Charles Hirs, become the passion of Dr. Charles Hirs, the city's chief medical examiner. the city's chief medical examiner. the city's chief medical examiner. He raced to the base of the burning He raced to the base of the burning He raced to the base of the burning towers with a team that included a young towers with a team that included a young towers with a team that included a young scientist named Mark Desire. scientist named Mark Desire. scientist named Mark Desire. >> Both towers were standing. They were on >> Both towers were standing. They were on >> Both towers were standing. They were on fire. Uh we parked our truck. We were to fire. Uh we parked our truck. We were to fire. Uh we parked our truck. We were to set up a temporary morg and begin to set up a temporary morg and begin to set up a temporary morg and begin to preserve the evidence. Wasn't down there preserve the evidence. Wasn't down there preserve the evidence. Wasn't down there very long. I had just received my orders very long. I had just received my orders very long. I had just received my orders from uh from Dr. Hirs. I picked up our from uh from Dr. Hirs. I picked up our from uh from Dr. Hirs. I picked up our gearbox and the south tower cracked. It gearbox and the south tower cracked. It gearbox and the south tower cracked. It was it was right over that plume. was it was right over that plume. was it was right over that plume. They could see the steel and the fire They could see the steel and the fire They could see the steel and the fire coming down and I thought, "This is it.

coming down and I thought, "This is it. coming down and I thought, "This is it. This is how I die." This is how I die." This is how I die." >> The South Tower with John Nan inside >> The South Tower with John Nan inside >> The South Tower with John Nan inside foundered after 56 minutes. Let's go. Let's go. >> As you're running away from the >> As you're running away from the >> As you're running away from the collapsing south tower, you were heading collapsing south tower, you were heading collapsing south tower, you were heading for a door in an adjacent building and for a door in an adjacent building and for a door in an adjacent building and then you got blasted off your feet. then you got blasted off your feet. then you got blasted off your feet. >> Yeah. It just knocked me right out of my >> Yeah. It just knocked me right out of my >> Yeah. It just knocked me right out of my shoes. Never made it to the door, but it shoes. Never made it to the door, but it shoes. Never made it to the door, but it was enough to get me through through the was enough to get me through through the was enough to get me through through the partially through the window, which partially through the window, which partially through the window, which really uh would save my life. If I was really uh would save my life. If I was really uh would save my life. If I was on the outside, everything that came on the outside, everything that came on the outside, everything that came down across my legs would have just down across my legs would have just down across my legs would have just would taken me out. would taken me out. would taken me out. The medical examiner's team survived. The medical examiner's team survived. The medical examiner's team survived. That's Mark Desire in the middle in the That's Mark Desire in the middle in the That's Mark Desire in the middle in the green shirt. The north tower in the green shirt. The north tower in the green shirt. The north tower in the distance is minutes from collapse. distance is minutes from collapse. distance is minutes from collapse. Andrea Habberman is inside. Andrea Habberman is inside. Andrea Habberman is inside. Her parents, her sister Julie, and Her parents, her sister Julie, and Her parents, her sister Julie, and fiance Al drove 16 hours to Manhattan fiance Al drove 16 hours to Manhattan fiance Al drove 16 hours to Manhattan where they picked up a list of where they picked up a list of where they picked up a list of hospitals.

hospitals. hospitals. But with those lists of medical centers, But with those lists of medical centers, But with those lists of medical centers, Kathy and I split up and Julie and Al Kathy and I split up and Julie and Al Kathy and I split up and Julie and Al took the west side of Broadway and we took the west side of Broadway and we took the west side of Broadway and we took the east side. 32 different medical took the east side. 32 different medical took the east side. 32 different medical centers, working our way down towards centers, working our way down towards centers, working our way down towards tip Manhattan and ground zero. Of tip Manhattan and ground zero. Of tip Manhattan and ground zero. Of course, the answers were course, the answers were course, the answers were >> no, >> no, >> no, >> no, no. for Andrea Hverman and thousands >> no, no. for Andrea Hverman and thousands >> no, no. for Andrea Hverman and thousands of others. Manhattan was papered in of others. Manhattan was papered in of others. Manhattan was papered in pleas for the missing and longing pleas for the missing and longing pleas for the missing and longing remained after hope had washed away. remained after hope had washed away. remained after hope had washed away. >> Everybody has a flyer. Everybody is >> Everybody has a flyer. Everybody is >> Everybody has a flyer. Everybody is looking for their people. looking for their people. looking for their people. Families lined up at a National Guard Families lined up at a National Guard Families lined up at a National Guard armory and waited hours to give DNA armory and waited hours to give DNA armory and waited hours to give DNA samples to the medical examiner. 17,000 samples to the medical examiner. 17,000 samples to the medical examiner. 17,000 17,000 reference samples, toothbrushes, 17,000 reference samples, toothbrushes, 17,000 reference samples, toothbrushes, razors, razors, razors, hairbrushes, anything that the the hairbrushes, anything that the the hairbrushes, anything that the the person touched when they were alive. If person touched when they were alive. If person touched when they were alive. If we couldn't get one of those samples, we couldn't get one of those samples, we couldn't get one of those samples, what living relatives do we have? Moms what living relatives do we have? Moms what living relatives do we have? Moms and dads, kids. There was DNA swab done and dads, kids. There was DNA swab done and dads, kids. There was DNA swab done of my young son, Jack's cheek. You of my young son, Jack's cheek. You of my young son, Jack's cheek. You filled out descriptions. You gave filled out descriptions. You gave filled out descriptions. You gave photographs.

photographs. photographs. Um, you filled out many, many forms. Um, you filled out many, many forms. Um, you filled out many, many forms. >> They swabbed your son's cheek for DNA. >> They swabbed your son's cheek for DNA. >> They swabbed your son's cheek for DNA. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> How old was he? >> How old was he? >> How old was he? >> 18 months. >> His father was among those inmbed in a >> His father was among those inmbed in a mountain of misery. Nearly two million tons of debris were Nearly two million tons of debris were searched by hand for human remains. After a year, they thought they had After a year, they thought they had found everything. But then in 2006, found everything. But then in 2006, found everything. But then in 2006, there was a shocking revelation. Bone there was a shocking revelation. Bone there was a shocking revelation. Bone fragments on the roof of a building fragments on the roof of a building fragments on the roof of a building across the street from ground zero. The across the street from ground zero. The across the street from ground zero. The medical examiner sent anthropologist medical examiner sent anthropologist medical examiner sent anthropologist Bradley Adams. We ended up going through Bradley Adams. We ended up going through Bradley Adams. We ended up going through the whole rooftop and we found over 700 the whole rooftop and we found over 700 the whole rooftop and we found over 700 small bone fragments on that rooftop. small bone fragments on that rooftop. small bone fragments on that rooftop. And then we ended up, you know, And then we ended up, you know, And then we ended up, you know, obviously if there's remains there, we obviously if there's remains there, we obviously if there's remains there, we need to search other areas. So we went need to search other areas. So we went need to search other areas. So we went through every floor of that building, through every floor of that building, through every floor of that building, even to the point of having vacuum even to the point of having vacuum even to the point of having vacuum cleaners and vacuuming up uh dust and cleaners and vacuuming up uh dust and cleaners and vacuuming up uh dust and debris.

debris. debris. >> The remains on the Deutsche Bank >> The remains on the Deutsche Bank >> The remains on the Deutsche Bank building were from American Airlines building were from American Airlines building were from American Airlines Flight 11. The discovery prompted a new Flight 11. The discovery prompted a new Flight 11. The discovery prompted a new search for clues at ground zero. search for clues at ground zero. search for clues at ground zero. >> Computer floppy discs or golf balls or >> Computer floppy discs or golf balls or >> Computer floppy discs or golf balls or parts of office furniture that would be parts of office furniture that would be parts of office furniture that would be buried there. And if you're seeing that, buried there. And if you're seeing that, buried there. And if you're seeing that, then you know there's the potential then you know there's the potential then you know there's the potential there could be human remains mixed in there could be human remains mixed in there could be human remains mixed in with this World Trade Center debris. with this World Trade Center debris. with this World Trade Center debris. 5 years after the attack, Brad Adams 5 years after the attack, Brad Adams 5 years after the attack, Brad Adams began collecting 18,000 tons of began collecting 18,000 tons of began collecting 18,000 tons of excavation material over the course of a excavation material over the course of a excavation material over the course of a year. year. year. 75 anthropologists washed it through 75 anthropologists washed it through 75 anthropologists washed it through screens. screens. screens. How many human remains did you find in How many human remains did you find in How many human remains did you find in that project? that project? that project? >> There was the 700 on Deutsche Bank and >> There was the 700 on Deutsche Bank and >> There was the 700 on Deutsche Bank and then um over a thousand more were found then um over a thousand more were found then um over a thousand more were found during the uh during the sifting during the uh during the sifting during the uh during the sifting operations. Altogether, the total World operations. Altogether, the total World operations. Altogether, the total World Trade Center remains came to 21,95.

>> The recovery efforts have been >> The recovery efforts have been monumental and this was an unprecedented monumental and this was an unprecedented monumental and this was an unprecedented uh event. As you know, this is the uh event. As you know, this is the uh event. As you know, this is the greatest mass murder in the history of greatest mass murder in the history of greatest mass murder in the history of the United States. the United States. the United States. >> Today, Dr. Jason Graham is New York >> Today, Dr. Jason Graham is New York >> Today, Dr. Jason Graham is New York City's chief medical examiner. He City's chief medical examiner. He City's chief medical examiner. He inherited this promise made by his late inherited this promise made by his late inherited this promise made by his late predecessor Charles Hirs. predecessor Charles Hirs. predecessor Charles Hirs. >> As long as there are families who are >> As long as there are families who are >> As long as there are families who are continuing to seek answers, this work continuing to seek answers, this work continuing to seek answers, this work will continue. will continue. will continue. >> What's the scope of what's left to be >> What's the scope of what's left to be >> What's the scope of what's left to be done? done? done? >> There were 2753 >> There were 2753 >> There were 2753 victims uh homicide victims. 60% of victims uh homicide victims. 60% of victims uh homicide victims. 60% of those individuals have been identified. those individuals have been identified. those individuals have been identified. 40% are left to be identified. 40% are left to be identified. 40% are left to be identified. 40% comes to 1,100 40% comes to 1,100 40% comes to 1,100 victims with no identified remains. victims with no identified remains. victims with no identified remains. >> So these are the steps from once remains >> So these are the steps from once remains >> So these are the steps from once remains are received. are received. are received. >> Putting a name to those remains is the >> Putting a name to those remains is the >> Putting a name to those remains is the job of the last original member of the job of the last original member of the job of the last original member of the medical examiner's 911 team. Mark medical examiner's 911 team. Mark medical examiner's 911 team. Mark Desire, now assistant director of Desire, now assistant director of Desire, now assistant director of forensic biology. These remains went forensic biology. These remains went forensic biology. These remains went through every possible thing that could through every possible thing that could through every possible thing that could destroy DNA from jet fuel to diesel destroy DNA from jet fuel to diesel destroy DNA from jet fuel to diesel fuel, mold, bacteria, sunlight, all fuel, mold, bacteria, sunlight, all fuel, mold, bacteria, sunlight, all kinds of chemicals that were in the kinds of chemicals that were in the kinds of chemicals that were in the building, insects, heat, fire, all these building, insects, heat, fire, all these building, insects, heat, fire, all these things destroy DNA. Everything was things destroy DNA. Everything was things destroy DNA. Everything was present at ground zero, making this not present at ground zero, making this not present at ground zero, making this not only the largest forensic investigation only the largest forensic investigation only the largest forensic investigation in the history of the United States, but in the history of the United States, but in the history of the United States, but the most difficult.

the most difficult. the most difficult. >> Some of these World Trade Center remains >> Some of these World Trade Center remains >> Some of these World Trade Center remains have been tested how many times? have been tested how many times? have been tested how many times? >> 10, 15 times. Yeah. >> 10, 15 times. Yeah. >> 10, 15 times. Yeah. >> Without a result. >> Without a result. >> Without a result. >> Without a result. But if there's DNA, >> Without a result. But if there's DNA, >> Without a result. But if there's DNA, we're going to find it. We're going to we're going to find it. We're going to we're going to find it. We're going to find it. We're going to generate a find it. We're going to generate a find it. We're going to generate a profile. It may take us a while. >> All remains today are bone. In a >> All remains today are bone. In a demonstration with animal bone, Desire demonstration with animal bone, Desire demonstration with animal bone, Desire showed us new technologies that make showed us new technologies that make showed us new technologies that make breakthroughs possible. They include breakthroughs possible. They include breakthroughs possible. They include this cryogenic grinder filled with this cryogenic grinder filled with this cryogenic grinder filled with liquid nitrogen at 320° liquid nitrogen at 320° liquid nitrogen at 320° below zero. below zero. below zero. >> The early days of 9/11 2001, we were >> The early days of 9/11 2001, we were >> The early days of 9/11 2001, we were doing this all by hand with a mortar and doing this all by hand with a mortar and doing this all by hand with a mortar and pestl. pestl. pestl. >> With high-speed vibration, individual >> With high-speed vibration, individual >> With high-speed vibration, individual cells in the deeply frozen bone shatter. cells in the deeply frozen bone shatter. cells in the deeply frozen bone shatter. A chemical process releases their DNA. A chemical process releases their DNA. A chemical process releases their DNA. Equipment like this has taken that to Equipment like this has taken that to Equipment like this has taken that to the next level, given us so much more the next level, given us so much more the next level, given us so much more access to cells. We need as much DNA as access to cells. We need as much DNA as access to cells. We need as much DNA as possible because these samples have possible because these samples have possible because these samples have hardly any.

hardly any. hardly any. >> Other innovations chemically amplify >> Other innovations chemically amplify >> Other innovations chemically amplify DNA, revealing more information from the DNA, revealing more information from the DNA, revealing more information from the smallest fragment. smallest fragment. smallest fragment. >> Some as small as the size of a tic tac. >> Some as small as the size of a tic tac. >> Some as small as the size of a tic tac. We've been able to get DNA from those We've been able to get DNA from those We've been able to get DNA from those and generate a DNA profile. and generate a DNA profile. and generate a DNA profile. Samples are tested every week with Samples are tested every week with Samples are tested every week with advanced technology. John Nven's bone advanced technology. John Nven's bone advanced technology. John Nven's bone fragments, 15 in all, had been tested fragments, 15 in all, had been tested fragments, 15 in all, had been tested for years. Then in 2023, the lab made a for years. Then in 2023, the lab made a for years. Then in 2023, the lab made a perfect match to the swab of the cheek perfect match to the swab of the cheek perfect match to the swab of the cheek of his infant son taken 22 years before. of his infant son taken 22 years before. of his infant son taken 22 years before. First notifications are made in person. First notifications are made in person. First notifications are made in person. And the police came to the door and my And the police came to the door and my And the police came to the door and my first reaction was I said, "Is is it my first reaction was I said, "Is is it my first reaction was I said, "Is is it my son?" And they said, "No, everything's son?" And they said, "No, everything's son?" And they said, "No, everything's okay." And these two wonderful, really okay." And these two wonderful, really okay." And these two wonderful, really kind policemen said, "We're here to kind policemen said, "We're here to kind policemen said, "We're here to deliver you the news." And they had a deliver you the news." And they had a deliver you the news." And they had a letter that um letter that um letter that um your husband's DNA has been discovered.

your husband's DNA has been discovered. your husband's DNA has been discovered. When the police officer said, "We've When the police officer said, "We've When the police officer said, "We've found your husband's DNA." I mean, that found your husband's DNA." I mean, that found your husband's DNA." I mean, that must have hit you as quite a shock. must have hit you as quite a shock. must have hit you as quite a shock. >> It was a shock that they'd been looking >> It was a shock that they'd been looking >> It was a shock that they'd been looking all these all these 22 years. I thought all these all these 22 years. I thought all these all these 22 years. I thought that that door had long been closed. that that door had long been closed. that that door had long been closed. >> Why open that door at all? It turns out >> Why open that door at all? It turns out >> Why open that door at all? It turns out many families don't want to know. When many families don't want to know. When many families don't want to know. When we come back, why others, including we come back, why others, including we come back, why others, including Andrea Hobberman's family, are eager Andrea Hobberman's family, are eager Andrea Hobberman's family, are eager even now for every revelation. About half of 9/11 families have told About half of 9/11 families have told the medical examiner that if their loved the medical examiner that if their loved the medical examiner that if their loved one is identified today, they don't want one is identified today, they don't want one is identified today, they don't want to know. Time has lightened their burden to know. Time has lightened their burden to know. Time has lightened their burden of grief. But the other half still hope of grief. But the other half still hope of grief. But the other half still hope for word. And few understand this mix of for word. And few understand this mix of for word. And few understand this mix of emotions like Dr. Jennifer Odon. She's emotions like Dr. Jennifer Odon. She's emotions like Dr. Jennifer Odon. She's the medical examiner's World Trade the medical examiner's World Trade the medical examiner's World Trade Center anthropologist, a scientist, and Center anthropologist, a scientist, and Center anthropologist, a scientist, and something of a counselor to those still something of a counselor to those still something of a counselor to those still hoping for the promise.

hoping for the promise. hoping for the promise. >> Shock, I would say, is the first >> Shock, I would say, is the first >> Shock, I would say, is the first response. uh typically just because of response. uh typically just because of response. uh typically just because of how many years have gone by they weren't how many years have gone by they weren't how many years have gone by they weren't necessarily expecting to get that that necessarily expecting to get that that necessarily expecting to get that that new identification any identification new identification any identification new identification any identification for some families they they weren't for some families they they weren't for some families they they weren't expecting it and then after that it expecting it and then after that it expecting it and then after that it tends to be tends to be tends to be emotional you know some grief because emotional you know some grief because emotional you know some grief because all now all the memories everything is all now all the memories everything is all now all the memories everything is coming up um about that coming up um about that coming up um about that >> can you give me a sense of how many >> can you give me a sense of how many >> can you give me a sense of how many families you're in touch with families you're in touch with families you're in touch with >> hundreds >> hundreds >> hundreds >> hundreds what memories have some of >> hundreds what memories have some of >> hundreds what memories have some of these families shared with you these families shared with you these families shared with you >> some of of the memories are that last >> some of of the memories are that last >> some of of the memories are that last phone call that they received or the phone call that they received or the phone call that they received or the last birthday they had or you know a last birthday they had or you know a last birthday they had or you know a vacation but a lot of it has to do with vacation but a lot of it has to do with vacation but a lot of it has to do with that that last contact whether it was in that that last contact whether it was in that that last contact whether it was in the morning before they went off to work the morning before they went off to work the morning before they went off to work um or if they had called while they were um or if they had called while they were um or if they had called while they were in the towers. in the towers. in the towers. >> A vital part of your job is to listen. >> A vital part of your job is to listen. >> A vital part of your job is to listen. >> Yes. And I will listen as long as they >> Yes. And I will listen as long as they >> Yes. And I will listen as long as they would like me to. Um, we have phone would like me to. Um, we have phone would like me to. Um, we have phone calls sometimes and it'll last an hour calls sometimes and it'll last an hour calls sometimes and it'll last an hour and I will stay on and listen and talk and I will stay on and listen and talk and I will stay on and listen and talk uh to them. When they have questions, uh to them. When they have questions, uh to them. When they have questions, I'll answer it, but a lot of times they I'll answer it, but a lot of times they I'll answer it, but a lot of times they just want to want to speak to someone.

just want to want to speak to someone. just want to want to speak to someone. >> I talked to Dr. Odon, Jen, who was >> I talked to Dr. Odon, Jen, who was >> I talked to Dr. Odon, Jen, who was wonderful and so kind and so nice. wonderful and so kind and so nice. wonderful and so kind and so nice. >> Ellen Nan spoke to Jennifer Odon in 2023 >> Ellen Nan spoke to Jennifer Odon in 2023 >> Ellen Nan spoke to Jennifer Odon in 2023 when the remains of her husband John when the remains of her husband John when the remains of her husband John were identified for the first time. So, were identified for the first time. So, were identified for the first time. So, I heard nothing about John's remains for I heard nothing about John's remains for I heard nothing about John's remains for 22 years. So, we just assumed that um 22 years. So, we just assumed that um 22 years. So, we just assumed that um there was nothing. We buried a box of there was nothing. We buried a box of there was nothing. We buried a box of momentos, photographs, and a letter uh momentos, photographs, and a letter uh momentos, photographs, and a letter uh that I wrote in a drawing my son had that I wrote in a drawing my son had that I wrote in a drawing my son had done and and then nothing. done and and then nothing. done and and then nothing. >> She remarried and had two more boys. Her >> She remarried and had two more boys. Her >> She remarried and had two more boys. Her son Jack was 18 months old when his son Jack was 18 months old when his son Jack was 18 months old when his father died. Now aged 25, Jack let his father died. Now aged 25, Jack let his father died. Now aged 25, Jack let his mother tell the story of how his mother tell the story of how his mother tell the story of how his father's identification struck them father's identification struck them father's identification struck them differently. differently. differently. >> For me, it was very sad. For him, it was >> For me, it was very sad. For him, it was >> For me, it was very sad. For him, it was uplifting in a way to realize that uplifting in a way to realize that uplifting in a way to realize that people had been working all that time to people had been working all that time to people had been working all that time to find any piece of his dad and that of find any piece of his dad and that of find any piece of his dad and that of all the people that were blessed by this all the people that were blessed by this all the people that were blessed by this breakthrough that it was his dad, you breakthrough that it was his dad, you breakthrough that it was his dad, you know, and that meant so much to him. So, know, and that meant so much to him. So, know, and that meant so much to him. So, it was really moving to see how moved he it was really moving to see how moved he it was really moving to see how moved he was. So many people who had met John or was. So many people who had met John or was. So many people who had met John or had even not met John reached out to us, had even not met John reached out to us, had even not met John reached out to us, emails, letters, phone calls to me and

emails, letters, phone calls to me and emails, letters, phone calls to me and to Jack. And I think that for Jack, it to Jack. And I think that for Jack, it to Jack. And I think that for Jack, it really brought to life so many really brought to life so many really brought to life so many descriptions of his father that as a descriptions of his father that as a descriptions of his father that as a young man, he could now really young man, he could now really young man, he could now really appreciate. appreciate. appreciate. So it was a great remembrance, John So it was a great remembrance, John So it was a great remembrance, John being able to be back in a lot of being able to be back in a lot of being able to be back in a lot of people's minds. people's minds. people's minds. As remains are identified, the folders As remains are identified, the folders As remains are identified, the folders get bigger and bigger because we keep get bigger and bigger because we keep get bigger and bigger because we keep adding all the information for those adding all the information for those adding all the information for those remains. remains. remains. >> Jennifer Odon adds new identifications >> Jennifer Odon adds new identifications >> Jennifer Odon adds new identifications to the DM files. No one knew what to to the DM files. No one knew what to to the DM files. No one knew what to call 9/11 the day it happened. So, the call 9/11 the day it happened. So, the call 9/11 the day it happened. So, the ME settled on disaster Manhattan. ME settled on disaster Manhattan. ME settled on disaster Manhattan. There's one folder for each murder There's one folder for each murder There's one folder for each murder victim. 2,753. This is an inventory of all of the This is an inventory of all of the remains found for this one person. remains found for this one person. remains found for this one person. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Such things here as rib, vertebrae, >> Such things here as rib, vertebrae, >> Such things here as rib, vertebrae, sternum found over months and years.

sternum found over months and years. sternum found over months and years. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> Correct. >> This indicates that about 50% of this >> This indicates that about 50% of this >> This indicates that about 50% of this body was recovered body was recovered body was recovered >> roughly. Yes. It's a very rough >> roughly. Yes. It's a very rough >> roughly. Yes. It's a very rough estimate. We're trying to understand how estimate. We're trying to understand how estimate. We're trying to understand how many of the remains have been many of the remains have been many of the remains have been identified. How much of that individual identified. How much of that individual identified. How much of that individual is there? What are the chances that more is there? What are the chances that more is there? What are the chances that more remains will be identified? Uh because remains will be identified? Uh because remains will be identified? Uh because those are questions that families will those are questions that families will those are questions that families will ask. ask. ask. >> Families have a choice. They can ask a >> Families have a choice. They can ask a >> Families have a choice. They can ask a funeral home to pick up a remain vacuum funeral home to pick up a remain vacuum funeral home to pick up a remain vacuum packed like this labeled with an packed like this labeled with an packed like this labeled with an American flag or they can leave the American flag or they can leave the American flag or they can leave the remain in the custody of the medical remain in the custody of the medical remain in the custody of the medical examiner. examiner. examiner. >> I tell them that they don't have to make >> I tell them that they don't have to make >> I tell them that they don't have to make that decision right now. They can call that decision right now. They can call that decision right now. They can call back in a month, a year, two years, 10 back in a month, a year, two years, 10 back in a month, a year, two years, 10 years, and we could then have those years, and we could then have those years, and we could then have those remains transferred over to the funeral remains transferred over to the funeral remains transferred over to the funeral home that they choose. home that they choose. home that they choose. >> You are keeping track of the remains >> You are keeping track of the remains >> You are keeping track of the remains that precisely. that precisely. that precisely. >> Oh, absolutely. We know where every >> Oh, absolutely. We know where every >> Oh, absolutely. We know where every single remain is. single remain is. single remain is. >> How do you do that? >> How do you do that? >> How do you do that? >> We have numbers associated with all >> We have numbers associated with all >> We have numbers associated with all remains. So, every remain that was remains. So, every remain that was remains. So, every remain that was recovered has a specific unique number recovered has a specific unique number recovered has a specific unique number associated with it.

associated with it. associated with it. Number 18,756 is the most recent remain of Andrea is the most recent remain of Andrea Hobberman. Hobberman. Hobberman. >> Andrea. >> Andrea. >> Andrea. >> The Hobbermans have asked to be told of >> The Hobbermans have asked to be told of >> The Hobbermans have asked to be told of all new identifications. For them, each all new identifications. For them, each all new identifications. For them, each reminder of their daughter is a stepping reminder of their daughter is a stepping reminder of their daughter is a stepping stone through a void. stone through a void. stone through a void. >> Isn't that beautiful? >> Isn't that beautiful? >> Isn't that beautiful? >> That Gordon Hobberman calls missing. >> That Gordon Hobberman calls missing. >> That Gordon Hobberman calls missing. >> It's hard to describe missing. >> It's hard to describe missing. >> It's hard to describe missing. to other people, but it's to other people, but it's to other people, but it's it's deep inside you. There isn't a day it's deep inside you. There isn't a day it's deep inside you. There isn't a day that I or we that I or we that I or we don't think of her. Help me understand don't think of her. Help me understand don't think of her. Help me understand what it means to you to have had what it means to you to have had what it means to you to have had Andrea's remains identified. Andrea's remains identified. Andrea's remains identified. >> If Andrea >> If Andrea >> If Andrea could face what she had to face, could face what she had to face, could face what she had to face, how could I not? how could I not? how could I not? want to know what happened to her.

want to know what happened to her. want to know what happened to her. >> Today he's 74. His relationship with the >> Today he's 74. His relationship with the >> Today he's 74. His relationship with the medical examiner has spanned 11 medical examiner has spanned 11 medical examiner has spanned 11 notifications, notifications, notifications, plus the amazing discovery of the relics plus the amazing discovery of the relics plus the amazing discovery of the relics of Andrea. of Andrea. of Andrea. >> When you went through these things for >> When you went through these things for >> When you went through these things for the first time, what did you see? What the first time, what did you see? What the first time, what did you see? What did you think? We met Gordon Hobberman at the National We met Gordon Hobberman at the National September 11th Memorial Museum at ground September 11th Memorial Museum at ground September 11th Memorial Museum at ground zero. zero. zero. With the help of the museum staff, we With the help of the museum staff, we With the help of the museum staff, we saw artifacts from Andrea's purse, which saw artifacts from Andrea's purse, which saw artifacts from Andrea's purse, which are archived, cataloged, and handled are archived, cataloged, and handled are archived, cataloged, and handled like antiquities. like antiquities. like antiquities. He received them in 2004 from the NYPD He received them in 2004 from the NYPD He received them in 2004 from the NYPD in a meeting with officers and a priest. in a meeting with officers and a priest. in a meeting with officers and a priest. >> They wanted to know if I needed any any >> They wanted to know if I needed any any >> They wanted to know if I needed any any help processing that and help processing that and help processing that and I was actually uh more concerned at that I was actually uh more concerned at that I was actually uh more concerned at that time how I'm going to keep these from my time how I'm going to keep these from my time how I'm going to keep these from my wife. He feared his wife's pain. So he wife. He feared his wife's pain. So he wife. He feared his wife's pain. So he locked the bag in a desk drawer which he locked the bag in a desk drawer which he locked the bag in a desk drawer which he did not open for 7 years. In 2011 they did not open for 7 years. In 2011 they did not open for 7 years. In 2011 they donated to the museum the collection of donated to the museum the collection of donated to the museum the collection of a quarter century ago.

a quarter century ago. a quarter century ago. >> This is the phone that we kept calling. >> This is the phone that we kept calling. >> This is the phone that we kept calling. >> Her flip phone. >> Her flip phone. >> Her flip phone. >> It didn't work. >> It didn't work. >> It didn't work. >> A pager driver's license and the last >> A pager driver's license and the last >> A pager driver's license and the last photo of her life. the visitor ID that photo of her life. the visitor ID that photo of her life. the visitor ID that captured Andrea's spirit minutes before captured Andrea's spirit minutes before captured Andrea's spirit minutes before she was gone. she was gone. she was gone. And that was our Andrea. And she was And that was our Andrea. And she was And that was our Andrea. And she was going to go on to do great things. And going to go on to do great things. And going to go on to do great things. And she wanted grandchildren. Her house was she wanted grandchildren. Her house was she wanted grandchildren. Her house was such a pride. She loved her owl so much. such a pride. She loved her owl so much. such a pride. She loved her owl so much. >> You can see it in her smile. >> You can see it in her smile. >> You can see it in her smile. >> Oh, yes. Yes. >> Oh, yes. Yes. >> Oh, yes. Yes. >> You can see it in her face. >> You can see it in her face. >> You can see it in her face. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. He brought Andrea's identified remains He brought Andrea's identified remains He brought Andrea's identified remains home to Wisconsin. But he believes her home to Wisconsin. But he believes her home to Wisconsin. But he believes her other remains, still unidentified, are other remains, still unidentified, are other remains, still unidentified, are in the museum behind this wall and a in the museum behind this wall and a in the museum behind this wall and a verse by the poet Virgil. No day shall verse by the poet Virgil. No day shall verse by the poet Virgil. No day shall erase you from the memory of time. erase you from the memory of time. erase you from the memory of time. Many museum visitors don't realize, but Many museum visitors don't realize, but Many museum visitors don't realize, but this is the outer wall of the medical this is the outer wall of the medical this is the outer wall of the medical examiner's repository for 9/11 remains.

examiner's repository for 9/11 remains. examiner's repository for 9/11 remains. We're in what was the basement of the We're in what was the basement of the We're in what was the basement of the North Tower. North Tower. North Tower. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And this is completely out of the path >> And this is completely out of the path >> And this is completely out of the path of the museum. It's hidden around the of the museum. It's hidden around the of the museum. It's hidden around the corner. corner. corner. >> Yes. Next to the repository, this is the >> Yes. Next to the repository, this is the >> Yes. Next to the repository, this is the entrance to the office of the chief entrance to the office of the chief entrance to the office of the chief medical examiner family reflection room. medical examiner family reflection room. medical examiner family reflection room. The room and repository have never been The room and repository have never been The room and repository have never been seen by the public. Families only can seen by the public. Families only can seen by the public. Families only can call a number on the door which summons call a number on the door which summons call a number on the door which summons an escort, often Dr. Jennifer Odon. an escort, often Dr. Jennifer Odon. an escort, often Dr. Jennifer Odon. >> So, the visits are different every time. >> So, the visits are different every time. >> So, the visits are different every time. Some families are very emotional and Some families are very emotional and Some families are very emotional and I'll sit in with them for an hour and I'll sit in with them for an hour and I'll sit in with them for an hour and just hear stories and I'll walk around just hear stories and I'll walk around just hear stories and I'll walk around with them until I know that they're okay with them until I know that they're okay with them until I know that they're okay and then I leave the room completely so and then I leave the room completely so and then I leave the room completely so they have the space to themselves. they have the space to themselves. they have the space to themselves. >> This must be a burden to you. >> This must be a burden to you. >> This must be a burden to you. >> I don't consider it a burden. It's it's >> I don't consider it a burden. It's it's >> I don't consider it a burden. It's it's tough. Um I definitely have moments of, tough. Um I definitely have moments of, tough. Um I definitely have moments of, you know, feeling very emotional and you know, feeling very emotional and you know, feeling very emotional and needing to step back. But when I talk to needing to step back. But when I talk to needing to step back. But when I talk to a family and they say thank you how a family and they say thank you how a family and they say thank you how grateful they are that with our grateful they are that with our grateful they are that with our continued work that a question I've continued work that a question I've continued work that a question I've answered helped them in some way. It answered helped them in some way. It answered helped them in some way. It makes it all worth it.

makes it all worth it. makes it all worth it. >> Gordon Hobberman invited us inside as >> Gordon Hobberman invited us inside as >> Gordon Hobberman invited us inside as his guest. No camera, but we were his guest. No camera, but we were his guest. No camera, but we were allowed to record the audio. We found a allowed to record the audio. We found a allowed to record the audio. We found a small sitting room and a window into the small sitting room and a window into the small sitting room and a window into the repository for human remains. repository for human remains. repository for human remains. The window we're looking through looks The window we're looking through looks The window we're looking through looks like it's about 5 feet wide and 3 feet like it's about 5 feet wide and 3 feet like it's about 5 feet wide and 3 feet or so tall. Just a single window and a or so tall. Just a single window and a or so tall. Just a single window and a single wooden bench in front of the single wooden bench in front of the single wooden bench in front of the window. With permission, we gave our window. With permission, we gave our window. With permission, we gave our notes to an artist who sketched the view notes to an artist who sketched the view notes to an artist who sketched the view through the window that joins the family through the window that joins the family through the window that joins the family room to the repository. A loved one room to the repository. A loved one room to the repository. A loved one sitting on the bench sees a deep austere sitting on the bench sees a deep austere sitting on the bench sees a deep austere white room with rows of dark wooden white room with rows of dark wooden white room with rows of dark wooden cabinets 8 ft tall. They hold about cabinets 8 ft tall. They hold about cabinets 8 ft tall. They hold about 10,000 remains both known and unknown. 10,000 remains both known and unknown. 10,000 remains both known and unknown. It is in a sense a private national It is in a sense a private national It is in a sense a private national shrine.

shrine. shrine. >> After you. >> After you. >> After you. >> Why do you come here after all these >> Why do you come here after all these >> Why do you come here after all these years? I feel close to my daughter. years? I feel close to my daughter. years? I feel close to my daughter. She wasn't meant to be here, but she's She wasn't meant to be here, but she's She wasn't meant to be here, but she's here. here. here. >> The repository in the museum, which >> The repository in the museum, which >> The repository in the museum, which stands between the reflecting pools, stands between the reflecting pools, stands between the reflecting pools, seems like the right place, Ellen Nan seems like the right place, Ellen Nan seems like the right place, Ellen Nan told us for her husband, John. Have you told us for her husband, John. Have you told us for her husband, John. Have you been here often? been here often? been here often? >> I have been here often. >> I have been here often. >> I have been here often. >> She has visited the pools over the >> She has visited the pools over the >> She has visited the pools over the decades to run her fingertips over her decades to run her fingertips over her decades to run her fingertips over her lost husband's tribute. And yet she is lost husband's tribute. And yet she is lost husband's tribute. And yet she is surprised how the endless effort to surprised how the endless effort to surprised how the endless effort to actually find him actually find him actually find him >> allowed her to feel once again the >> allowed her to feel once again the >> allowed her to feel once again the embrace of a nation's devotion. embrace of a nation's devotion. embrace of a nation's devotion. >> My first reaction was to tell people, >> My first reaction was to tell people, >> My first reaction was to tell people, did you know that all this time they did you know that all this time they did you know that all this time they have been sifting through these remains have been sifting through these remains have been sifting through these remains and researching and researching for for and researching and researching for for and researching and researching for for over 20 years? What an incredible thing.

over 20 years? What an incredible thing. over 20 years? What an incredible thing. you know, John had another moment in in you know, John had another moment in in you know, John had another moment in in all of our lives. So, that was something all of our lives. So, that was something all of our lives. So, that was something I'm incredibly grateful for.