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>> In 10 days, President Obama will visit >> In 10 days, President Obama will visit Saudi Arabia at a time of deep mistrust Saudi Arabia at a time of deep mistrust Saudi Arabia at a time of deep mistrust between the two allies and lingering between the two allies and lingering between the two allies and lingering doubts about the Saudi commitment to doubts about the Saudi commitment to doubts about the Saudi commitment to fighting violent Islamic extremism. It fighting violent Islamic extremism. It fighting violent Islamic extremism. It also comes at a time when the White also comes at a time when the White also comes at a time when the White House and intelligence officials are House and intelligence officials are House and intelligence officials are reviewing whether to declassify one of reviewing whether to declassify one of reviewing whether to declassify one of the country's most sensitive documents the country's most sensitive documents the country's most sensitive documents known as the 28 pages. They have to do known as the 28 pages. They have to do known as the 28 pages. They have to do with 9/11 and the possible existence of with 9/11 and the possible existence of with 9/11 and the possible existence of a Saudi support network for the a Saudi support network for the a Saudi support network for the hijackers while they were in the US. For hijackers while they were in the US. For hijackers while they were in the US. For 13 years, the 28 pages have been locked 13 years, the 28 pages have been locked 13 years, the 28 pages have been locked away in a secret vault. Only a small away in a secret vault. Only a small away in a secret vault. Only a small group of people have ever seen them. group of people have ever seen them. group of people have ever seen them. Tonight, you'll hear from some of the Tonight, you'll hear from some of the Tonight, you'll hear from some of the people who have read them and believe people who have read them and believe people who have read them and believe along with the families of 9/11 victims along with the families of 9/11 victims along with the families of 9/11 victims that they should be declassified. that they should be declassified. that they should be declassified. I think it is implausible to believe I think it is implausible to believe I think it is implausible to believe that 19 people, most of whom didn't that 19 people, most of whom didn't that 19 people, most of whom didn't speak English, most of whom had never speak English, most of whom had never speak English, most of whom had never been in the United States before, many been in the United States before, many been in the United States before, many of whom didn't have a high school of whom didn't have a high school of whom didn't have a high school education, uh, could have carried out education, uh, could have carried out education, uh, could have carried out such a complicated task without some such a complicated task without some such a complicated task without some support from within the United States.

support from within the United States. support from within the United States. >> And you believe that the 28 pages are >> And you believe that the 28 pages are >> And you believe that the 28 pages are crucial to this? crucial to this? crucial to this? >> I think they are a key part. >> I think they are a key part. >> I think they are a key part. Former US Senator Bob Graham has been Former US Senator Bob Graham has been Former US Senator Bob Graham has been trying to get the 28 pages released trying to get the 28 pages released trying to get the 28 pages released since the day they were classified back since the day they were classified back since the day they were classified back in 2003 when he played a major role in in 2003 when he played a major role in in 2003 when he played a major role in the first government investigation into the first government investigation into the first government investigation into 9/11. 9/11. 9/11. >> I remain deeply disturbed by the amount >> I remain deeply disturbed by the amount >> I remain deeply disturbed by the amount of material that has been censored from of material that has been censored from of material that has been censored from this report. this report. this report. >> At the time, Graham was chairman of the >> At the time, Graham was chairman of the >> At the time, Graham was chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. I call the joint inquiry committee to I call the joint inquiry committee to I call the joint inquiry committee to order and co-chair of the bipartisan order and co-chair of the bipartisan order and co-chair of the bipartisan joint congressional inquiry into joint congressional inquiry into joint congressional inquiry into intelligence failures surrounding the intelligence failures surrounding the intelligence failures surrounding the attacks. The joint inquiry reviewed a attacks. The joint inquiry reviewed a attacks. The joint inquiry reviewed a half a million documents, interviewed half a million documents, interviewed half a million documents, interviewed hundreds of witnesses, and produced an hundreds of witnesses, and produced an hundreds of witnesses, and produced an 838 page report minus the final chapter, 838 page report minus the final chapter, 838 page report minus the final chapter, which was blanked out, exised by the which was blanked out, exised by the which was blanked out, exised by the Bush administration for reasons of Bush administration for reasons of Bush administration for reasons of national security. national security. national security. >> So, this is your office. Bob Graham >> So, this is your office. Bob Graham >> So, this is your office. Bob Graham won't discuss the classified information won't discuss the classified information won't discuss the classified information in the 28 pages. He will say only that in the 28 pages. He will say only that in the 28 pages. He will say only that they outline a network of people that he they outline a network of people that he they outline a network of people that he believes supported the hijackers while believes supported the hijackers while believes supported the hijackers while they were in the US.

they were in the US. they were in the US. >> You believe that support came from Saudi >> You believe that support came from Saudi >> You believe that support came from Saudi Arabia substantially. Arabia substantially. Arabia substantially. >> And when we say the Saudis, you mean the >> And when we say the Saudis, you mean the >> And when we say the Saudis, you mean the government, rich people in the country, government, rich people in the country, government, rich people in the country, charities, charities, charities, >> all of the above. Graham and others >> all of the above. Graham and others >> all of the above. Graham and others believe the Saudi role has been believe the Saudi role has been believe the Saudi role has been soft-pled to protect a delicate soft-pled to protect a delicate soft-pled to protect a delicate relationship with a complicated kingdom relationship with a complicated kingdom relationship with a complicated kingdom where the rulers, royalty, riches, where the rulers, royalty, riches, where the rulers, royalty, riches, and religion are all deeply intertwined and religion are all deeply intertwined and religion are all deeply intertwined in its institutions. in its institutions. in its institutions. >> The committee will be in order of >> The committee will be in order of >> The committee will be in order of >> Porter Goss, who was Graham's Republican >> Porter Goss, who was Graham's Republican >> Porter Goss, who was Graham's Republican co-chairman on the House side of the co-chairman on the House side of the co-chairman on the House side of the joint inquiry and later director of the joint inquiry and later director of the joint inquiry and later director of the CIA, also felt strongly that an CIA, also felt strongly that an CIA, also felt strongly that an uncensored version of the 28 pages uncensored version of the 28 pages uncensored version of the 28 pages should be included in the final report. should be included in the final report. should be included in the final report. The two men made their case to the FBI The two men made their case to the FBI The two men made their case to the FBI and its then director Robert Mueller in and its then director Robert Mueller in and its then director Robert Mueller in a face-to-face meeting. a face-to-face meeting. a face-to-face meeting. >> They pushed back very hard on the 28 >> They pushed back very hard on the 28 >> They pushed back very hard on the 28 pages and they said no, that cannot be pages and they said no, that cannot be pages and they said no, that cannot be uh unclassified at this time. uh unclassified at this time. uh unclassified at this time. >> Did you happen to ask the FBI director >> Did you happen to ask the FBI director >> Did you happen to ask the FBI director why it was classified?

why it was classified? why it was classified? >> We did in a general way and the answer >> We did in a general way and the answer >> We did in a general way and the answer was because we said so and it needs to was because we said so and it needs to was because we said so and it needs to be classified. be classified. be classified. Goss says he knew of no reason then and Goss says he knew of no reason then and Goss says he knew of no reason then and knows of no reason now why the pages knows of no reason now why the pages knows of no reason now why the pages need to be classified. They are locked need to be classified. They are locked need to be classified. They are locked away under the capital in guarded vaults away under the capital in guarded vaults away under the capital in guarded vaults called sensitive compartmented called sensitive compartmented called sensitive compartmented information facilities or skiffs in information facilities or skiffs in information facilities or skiffs in government jargon. This is as close as government jargon. This is as close as government jargon. This is as close as we could get with our cameras. A highly we could get with our cameras. A highly we could get with our cameras. A highly restricted area where members of restricted area where members of restricted area where members of Congress with the proper clearances can Congress with the proper clearances can Congress with the proper clearances can read the documents under close read the documents under close read the documents under close supervision. No note takingaking supervision. No note takingaking supervision. No note takingaking allowed. It's all got to go up here. allowed. It's all got to go up here. allowed. It's all got to go up here. Steve Steve Steve >> Tim Romer, a former Democratic >> Tim Romer, a former Democratic >> Tim Romer, a former Democratic congressman and US ambassador to India, congressman and US ambassador to India, congressman and US ambassador to India, has read the 28 pages multiple times. has read the 28 pages multiple times. has read the 28 pages multiple times. First as a member of the joint inquiry First as a member of the joint inquiry First as a member of the joint inquiry and later as a member of the blue ribbon and later as a member of the blue ribbon and later as a member of the blue ribbon 9/11 commission, which picked up where 9/11 commission, which picked up where 9/11 commission, which picked up where Congress's investigation left off. Congress's investigation left off. Congress's investigation left off. >> How hard is it to actually read these 28 >> How hard is it to actually read these 28 >> How hard is it to actually read these 28 pages? pages? pages? >> Very hard. These are tough documents to >> Very hard. These are tough documents to >> Very hard. These are tough documents to get your eyes on. Romer and others who get your eyes on. Romer and others who get your eyes on. Romer and others who have actually read the 28 pages describe have actually read the 28 pages describe have actually read the 28 pages describe them as a working draft similar to a them as a working draft similar to a them as a working draft similar to a grand jury or police report that grand jury or police report that grand jury or police report that includes provocative evidence, some includes provocative evidence, some includes provocative evidence, some verified and some not. They lay out the verified and some not. They lay out the verified and some not. They lay out the possibility of official Saudi assistance possibility of official Saudi assistance possibility of official Saudi assistance for two of the hijackers who settled in for two of the hijackers who settled in for two of the hijackers who settled in Southern California. That information Southern California. That information Southern California. That information from the 28 pages was turned over to the from the 28 pages was turned over to the from the 28 pages was turned over to the 9/11 Commission for further 9/11 Commission for further 9/11 Commission for further investigation. Some of the questions investigation. Some of the questions

investigation. Some of the questions raised were answered in the commission's raised were answered in the commission's raised were answered in the commission's final report. Others were not. Is there final report. Others were not. Is there final report. Others were not. Is there information in the 28 pages that if they information in the 28 pages that if they information in the 28 pages that if they were declassified would surprise people? were declassified would surprise people? were declassified would surprise people? >> Sure, you're going to be surprised by >> Sure, you're going to be surprised by >> Sure, you're going to be surprised by it. And uh you're going to be surprised it. And uh you're going to be surprised it. And uh you're going to be surprised by some of the answers that are sitting by some of the answers that are sitting by some of the answers that are sitting there today in the 9/11 Commission there today in the 9/11 Commission there today in the 9/11 Commission report about what happened in San Diego report about what happened in San Diego report about what happened in San Diego and what happened in Los Angeles and and what happened in Los Angeles and and what happened in Los Angeles and what was the Saudi involvement. Much of what was the Saudi involvement. Much of what was the Saudi involvement. Much of that surprising information is buried in that surprising information is buried in that surprising information is buried in footnotes and appendices of the 9/11 footnotes and appendices of the 9/11 footnotes and appendices of the 9/11 report. Part of the official public report. Part of the official public report. Part of the official public record, but most of it unknown to the record, but most of it unknown to the record, but most of it unknown to the general public. These are some, but not general public. These are some, but not general public. These are some, but not all of the facts. In January of 2000, all of the facts. In January of 2000, all of the facts. In January of 2000, the first of the hijackers landed in Los the first of the hijackers landed in Los the first of the hijackers landed in Los Angeles after attending an al-Qaeda Angeles after attending an al-Qaeda Angeles after attending an al-Qaeda summit in Koala Lumpur, Malaysia. The summit in Koala Lumpur, Malaysia. The summit in Koala Lumpur, Malaysia. The two Saudi nationals, NAF al-Hazmi and two Saudi nationals, NAF al-Hazmi and two Saudi nationals, NAF al-Hazmi and Khaled Al- Midar, arrived with extremely Khaled Al- Midar, arrived with extremely Khaled Al- Midar, arrived with extremely limited language skills and no limited language skills and no limited language skills and no experience with Western culture. Yet, experience with Western culture. Yet, experience with Western culture. Yet, through an incredible series of through an incredible series of through an incredible series of circumstances, they managed to get circumstances, they managed to get circumstances, they managed to get everything they needed from housing to everything they needed from housing to everything they needed from housing to flight lessons.

flight lessons. flight lessons. >> LA, San Diego, that's really, you know, >> LA, San Diego, that's really, you know, >> LA, San Diego, that's really, you know, the Hornets Nest. That's really the one the Hornets Nest. That's really the one the Hornets Nest. That's really the one that I continue to think about almost on that I continue to think about almost on that I continue to think about almost on a daily basis. a daily basis. a daily basis. >> During their first days in LA, witnesses >> During their first days in LA, witnesses >> During their first days in LA, witnesses placed the two future hijackers at the placed the two future hijackers at the placed the two future hijackers at the King Fod Mosque in the company of Fahad King Fod Mosque in the company of Fahad King Fod Mosque in the company of Fahad Alumary, a diplomat at the Saudi Alumary, a diplomat at the Saudi Alumary, a diplomat at the Saudi consulate known to hold extremist views. consulate known to hold extremist views. consulate known to hold extremist views. Later, 9/11 investigators would find him Later, 9/11 investigators would find him Later, 9/11 investigators would find him deceptive and suspicious. And in 2003, deceptive and suspicious. And in 2003, deceptive and suspicious. And in 2003, he would be denied re-entry to the he would be denied re-entry to the he would be denied re-entry to the United States for having suspected ties United States for having suspected ties United States for having suspected ties to terrorist activity. to terrorist activity. to terrorist activity. >> This is a very interesting person in the >> This is a very interesting person in the >> This is a very interesting person in the whole 9/11 episode of who might have whole 9/11 episode of who might have whole 9/11 episode of who might have helped whom uh in Los Angeles and San helped whom uh in Los Angeles and San helped whom uh in Los Angeles and San Diego with two terrorists who didn't Diego with two terrorists who didn't Diego with two terrorists who didn't know their way around. Phone records know their way around. Phone records know their way around. Phone records show that Tumary was also in regular show that Tumary was also in regular show that Tumary was also in regular contact with this man, Omar Al Beumi, a contact with this man, Omar Al Beumi, a contact with this man, Omar Al Beumi, a mysterious Saudi who became the mysterious Saudi who became the mysterious Saudi who became the hijacker's biggest benefactor. He was a hijacker's biggest benefactor. He was a hijacker's biggest benefactor. He was a ghost employee with a no-show job at a ghost employee with a no-show job at a ghost employee with a no-show job at a Saudi aviation contractor outside Los Saudi aviation contractor outside Los Saudi aviation contractor outside Los Angeles while drawing a paycheck from Angeles while drawing a paycheck from Angeles while drawing a paycheck from the Saudi government.

the Saudi government. the Saudi government. >> You believe was a Saudi agent? >> You believe was a Saudi agent? >> You believe was a Saudi agent? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> What makes you believe that? Well, for >> What makes you believe that? Well, for >> What makes you believe that? Well, for one thing, he'd been listed even before one thing, he'd been listed even before one thing, he'd been listed even before 9/11 in FBI files as being a Saudi 9/11 in FBI files as being a Saudi 9/11 in FBI files as being a Saudi agent. agent. agent. >> On the morning of February 1st, 2000, >> On the morning of February 1st, 2000, >> On the morning of February 1st, 2000, Bayumi went to the office of the Saudi Bayumi went to the office of the Saudi Bayumi went to the office of the Saudi consulate where Thumary worked. He then consulate where Thumary worked. He then consulate where Thumary worked. He then proceeded to have lunch at a Middle proceeded to have lunch at a Middle proceeded to have lunch at a Middle Eastern restaurant on Venice Boulevard, Eastern restaurant on Venice Boulevard, Eastern restaurant on Venice Boulevard, where he later claimed he just happened where he later claimed he just happened where he later claimed he just happened to make the acquaintance of the two to make the acquaintance of the two to make the acquaintance of the two future hijackers. Hos and Midhar future hijackers. Hos and Midhar future hijackers. Hos and Midhar magically run into Bayumi in a magically run into Bayumi in a magically run into Bayumi in a restaurant that Bumi claims is a restaurant that Bumi claims is a restaurant that Bumi claims is a coincidence in one of the biggest cities coincidence in one of the biggest cities coincidence in one of the biggest cities in the United States. in the United States. in the United States. >> And he decides to befriend them. >> And he decides to befriend them. >> And he decides to befriend them. >> He decides to not only befriend them, >> He decides to not only befriend them, >> He decides to not only befriend them, but then to help them move to San Diego but then to help them move to San Diego but then to help them move to San Diego and get residence. and get residence. and get residence. >> In San Diego, Bayumi found them a place >> In San Diego, Bayumi found them a place >> In San Diego, Bayumi found them a place to live in his own apartment complex, to live in his own apartment complex, to live in his own apartment complex, advanced them the security deposit, and advanced them the security deposit, and advanced them the security deposit, and co-signed the lease. He even threw them co-signed the lease. He even threw them co-signed the lease. He even threw them a party and introduced them to other a party and introduced them to other a party and introduced them to other Muslims who would help the hijackers Muslims who would help the hijackers Muslims who would help the hijackers obtain government IDs and enroll in obtain government IDs and enroll in obtain government IDs and enroll in English classes and flight schools.

English classes and flight schools. English classes and flight schools. There's no evidence that Bayumi or There's no evidence that Bayumi or There's no evidence that Bayumi or Tumary knew what the future hijackers Tumary knew what the future hijackers Tumary knew what the future hijackers were up to. And it is possible that they were up to. And it is possible that they were up to. And it is possible that they were just trying to help fellow Muslims. were just trying to help fellow Muslims. were just trying to help fellow Muslims. But the very day Beumi welcomed the But the very day Beumi welcomed the But the very day Beumi welcomed the hijackers to San Diego, there were four hijackers to San Diego, there were four hijackers to San Diego, there were four calls between his cell phone and the calls between his cell phone and the calls between his cell phone and the imam at a San Diego mosque. Anoir Alaki, imam at a San Diego mosque. Anoir Alaki, imam at a San Diego mosque. Anoir Alaki, a name that should sound familiar. a name that should sound familiar. a name that should sound familiar. >> America cannot and will not win. >> America cannot and will not win. >> America cannot and will not win. >> The American born Alaki would be >> The American born Alaki would be >> The American born Alaki would be infamous a decade later as al-Qaeda's infamous a decade later as al-Qaeda's infamous a decade later as al-Qaeda's chief propagandist and top operative in chief propagandist and top operative in chief propagandist and top operative in Yemen until he was taken out by a CIA Yemen until he was taken out by a CIA Yemen until he was taken out by a CIA drone. But in January 2001, a year after drone. But in January 2001, a year after drone. But in January 2001, a year after becoming the hijacker's spiritual becoming the hijacker's spiritual becoming the hijacker's spiritual adviser, he left San Diego for False adviser, he left San Diego for False adviser, he left San Diego for False Church. Months later, Hosme, Midar, and Church. Months later, Hosme, Midar, and Church. Months later, Hosme, Midar, and three more hijackers would join him three more hijackers would join him three more hijackers would join him there. there. there. >> Those are a lot of coincidences, and >> Those are a lot of coincidences, and >> Those are a lot of coincidences, and that's a lot of smoke. Is that enough to that's a lot of smoke. Is that enough to that's a lot of smoke. Is that enough to make you squirm and uncomfortable and make you squirm and uncomfortable and make you squirm and uncomfortable and dig harder and declassify these 28 dig harder and declassify these 28 dig harder and declassify these 28 pages? Absolutely.

pages? Absolutely. pages? Absolutely. Perhaps no one is more interested in Perhaps no one is more interested in Perhaps no one is more interested in reading the 28 pages than attorneys Jim reading the 28 pages than attorneys Jim reading the 28 pages than attorneys Jim Kryler and Shan Carter, who represent Kryler and Shan Carter, who represent Kryler and Shan Carter, who represent family members of the 9/11 victims in family members of the 9/11 victims in family members of the 9/11 victims in their lawsuit against the kingdom, their lawsuit against the kingdom, their lawsuit against the kingdom, alleging that its institutions provided alleging that its institutions provided alleging that its institutions provided money to al-Qaeda, knowing that it was money to al-Qaeda, knowing that it was money to al-Qaeda, knowing that it was waging war against the United States. waging war against the United States. waging war against the United States. >> What we're doing in court is is >> What we're doing in court is is >> What we're doing in court is is developing the story that has to come developing the story that has to come developing the story that has to come out. But it's been difficult for us out. But it's been difficult for us out. But it's been difficult for us because for many years we weren't because for many years we weren't because for many years we weren't getting the kind of openness and getting the kind of openness and getting the kind of openness and cooperation that that we think our cooperation that that we think our cooperation that that we think our government owes to the American people, government owes to the American people, government owes to the American people, particularly the the families of people particularly the the families of people particularly the the families of people who are murdered. who are murdered. who are murdered. >> The US government has even backed the >> The US government has even backed the >> The US government has even backed the Saudi position in court that it can't be Saudi position in court that it can't be Saudi position in court that it can't be sued because it enjoys sovereign sued because it enjoys sovereign sued because it enjoys sovereign immunity. The 9/11 Commission report immunity. The 9/11 Commission report immunity. The 9/11 Commission report says that Saudi Arabia has long been says that Saudi Arabia has long been says that Saudi Arabia has long been considered the primary source of considered the primary source of considered the primary source of al-Qaeda funding through its wealthy al-Qaeda funding through its wealthy al-Qaeda funding through its wealthy citizens and charities with significant citizens and charities with significant citizens and charities with significant government sponsorship. But the sentence government sponsorship. But the sentence government sponsorship. But the sentence that got the most attention when the that got the most attention when the that got the most attention when the report came out is this. We have found report came out is this. We have found report came out is this. We have found no evidence that the Saudi government as no evidence that the Saudi government as no evidence that the Saudi government as an institution or senior Saudi officials an institution or senior Saudi officials an institution or senior Saudi officials individually funded the organization.

individually funded the organization. individually funded the organization. Attorney Sean Carter says it's the most Attorney Sean Carter says it's the most Attorney Sean Carter says it's the most carefully crafted line in the 9/11 carefully crafted line in the 9/11 carefully crafted line in the 9/11 Commission report and the most Commission report and the most Commission report and the most misunderstood. misunderstood. misunderstood. >> When they say that we found no evidence >> When they say that we found no evidence >> When they say that we found no evidence that senior Saudi officials individually that senior Saudi officials individually that senior Saudi officials individually funded al-Qaeda, they conspicuously funded al-Qaeda, they conspicuously funded al-Qaeda, they conspicuously leave open the potential that they found leave open the potential that they found leave open the potential that they found evidence that people who were officials evidence that people who were officials evidence that people who were officials that they did not regard as senior that they did not regard as senior that they did not regard as senior officials had done so. That is the officials had done so. That is the officials had done so. That is the essence of the family's lawsuit. That essence of the family's lawsuit. That essence of the family's lawsuit. That elements of the government and lower elements of the government and lower elements of the government and lower level officials sympathetic to bin level officials sympathetic to bin level officials sympathetic to bin Laden's cause helped al-Qaeda carry out Laden's cause helped al-Qaeda carry out Laden's cause helped al-Qaeda carry out the attacks and helped sustain the the attacks and helped sustain the the attacks and helped sustain the al-Qaeda network. Yet for more than a al-Qaeda network. Yet for more than a al-Qaeda network. Yet for more than a decade, the kingdom has maintained that decade, the kingdom has maintained that decade, the kingdom has maintained that that one sentence exonerated it of any that one sentence exonerated it of any that one sentence exonerated it of any responsibility for 9/11, regardless of responsibility for 9/11, regardless of responsibility for 9/11, regardless of what might be in the 28 pages. what might be in the 28 pages. what might be in the 28 pages. >> It's not an exoneration. What we said we >> It's not an exoneration. What we said we >> It's not an exoneration. What we said we did not with this report exonerate the did not with this report exonerate the did not with this report exonerate the Saudis. to do is have as many. Saudis. to do is have as many. Saudis. to do is have as many. >> Former US Senator Bob Kerry is another >> Former US Senator Bob Kerry is another >> Former US Senator Bob Kerry is another of the 10 member 9/11 commission who has of the 10 member 9/11 commission who has of the 10 member 9/11 commission who has read the 28 pages and believes they read the 28 pages and believes they read the 28 pages and believes they should be declassified. He filed an should be declassified. He filed an should be declassified. He filed an affidavit in support of the 9/11 affidavit in support of the 9/11 affidavit in support of the 9/11 family's lawsuit.

family's lawsuit. family's lawsuit. >> You can't provide the money for >> You can't provide the money for >> You can't provide the money for terrorists and then say, "I don't have terrorists and then say, "I don't have terrorists and then say, "I don't have anything to do with what they were anything to do with what they were anything to do with what they were doing." doing." doing." >> Do you believe that all of the leads >> Do you believe that all of the leads >> Do you believe that all of the leads that were developed in the 28 pages were that were developed in the 28 pages were that were developed in the 28 pages were answered in the 9/11 report? All the answered in the 9/11 report? All the answered in the 9/11 report? All the questions? questions? questions? >> No. In general, the 9/11 commission did >> No. In general, the 9/11 commission did >> No. In general, the 9/11 commission did not get every single detail of the not get every single detail of the not get every single detail of the conspiracy. We didn't. We didn't have conspiracy. We didn't. We didn't have conspiracy. We didn't. We didn't have the time. We didn't have the resources the time. We didn't have the resources the time. We didn't have the resources and we certainly didn't pursue the and we certainly didn't pursue the and we certainly didn't pursue the entire line of inquiry in regards Saudi entire line of inquiry in regards Saudi entire line of inquiry in regards Saudi Arabia. Do you think all of these things Arabia. Do you think all of these things Arabia. Do you think all of these things in San Diego can be explained as in San Diego can be explained as in San Diego can be explained as coincidence? [laughter] coincidence? [laughter] coincidence? [laughter] I don't believe in coincidences. I don't believe in coincidences. I don't believe in coincidences. John Layman, who was Secretary of the John Layman, who was Secretary of the John Layman, who was Secretary of the Navy in the Reagan administration, says Navy in the Reagan administration, says Navy in the Reagan administration, says that he and the others make up a solid that he and the others make up a solid that he and the others make up a solid majority of former 911 commissioners who majority of former 911 commissioners who majority of former 911 commissioners who think the 28 pages should be made think the 28 pages should be made think the 28 pages should be made public. public. public. >> We're not a bunch of rubes that wrote >> We're not a bunch of rubes that wrote >> We're not a bunch of rubes that wrote into Washington for this commission. I into Washington for this commission. I into Washington for this commission. I we, you know, we've seen fire and we've we, you know, we've seen fire and we've we, you know, we've seen fire and we've seen rain and in the politics of seen rain and in the politics of seen rain and in the politics of national security. We all have dealt for national security. We all have dealt for national security. We all have dealt for our careers in highly classified and our careers in highly classified and our careers in highly classified and compartmentalized and every aspect of compartmentalized and every aspect of compartmentalized and every aspect of security. We know when something security. We know when something security. We know when something shouldn't be declassified shouldn't be declassified shouldn't be declassified and the this those 28 pages in no way and the this those 28 pages in no way and the this those 28 pages in no way fall into that category. Layman has no fall into that category. Layman has no fall into that category. Layman has no doubt that some high Saudi officials doubt that some high Saudi officials doubt that some high Saudi officials knew that assistance was being provided knew that assistance was being provided knew that assistance was being provided to al-Qaeda, but he doesn't think it was to al-Qaeda, but he doesn't think it was to al-Qaeda, but he doesn't think it was ever official policy. He also doesn't ever official policy. He also doesn't ever official policy. He also doesn't think that it absolves the Saudis of think that it absolves the Saudis of think that it absolves the Saudis of responsibility.

responsibility. responsibility. >> It was no accident that 15 of the 19 >> It was no accident that 15 of the 19 >> It was no accident that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis. They all went to hijackers were Saudis. They all went to hijackers were Saudis. They all went to Saudi schools. They learned from the Saudi schools. They learned from the Saudi schools. They learned from the time they were first able to go to time they were first able to go to time they were first able to go to school of this intolerant school of this intolerant school of this intolerant uh uh brand of Islam. uh uh brand of Islam. uh uh brand of Islam. >> [singing] >> [singing] >> [singing] >> Layman is talking about Wahhabism, the >> Layman is talking about Wahhabism, the >> Layman is talking about Wahhabism, the ultra-conservative puritanical form of ultra-conservative puritanical form of ultra-conservative puritanical form of Islam that's rooted here and permeates Islam that's rooted here and permeates Islam that's rooted here and permeates every facet of society. There is no every facet of society. There is no every facet of society. There is no separation of church and state. After separation of church and state. After separation of church and state. After oil, Wahhabism is one of the kingdom's oil, Wahhabism is one of the kingdom's oil, Wahhabism is one of the kingdom's biggest exports. Saudi clerics entrusted biggest exports. Saudi clerics entrusted biggest exports. Saudi clerics entrusted with Islam's holiest shrines have with Islam's holiest shrines have with Islam's holiest shrines have immense power and billions of dollars to immense power and billions of dollars to immense power and billions of dollars to spread the faith, building mosques and spread the faith, building mosques and spread the faith, building mosques and religious schools all over the world religious schools all over the world religious schools all over the world that have become recruiting grounds for that have become recruiting grounds for that have become recruiting grounds for violent extremists. violent extremists. violent extremists. >> 911 Commissioner John Layman says all of >> 911 Commissioner John Layman says all of >> 911 Commissioner John Layman says all of this comes across in the 28 pages. This this comes across in the 28 pages. This this comes across in the 28 pages. This is not going to be a smoking gun that is is not going to be a smoking gun that is is not going to be a smoking gun that is going to to cause a huge furer, but it going to to cause a huge furer, but it going to to cause a huge furer, but it does give a very compact illustration of does give a very compact illustration of does give a very compact illustration of the kinds of things that went on that the kinds of things that went on that the kinds of things that went on that would really help the American people to would really help the American people to would really help the American people to understand why what how is it that these understand why what how is it that these understand why what how is it that these people are springing up all over the people are springing up all over the people are springing up all over the world to go to jihad.

world to go to jihad. world to go to jihad. >> Look, the Saudis have even said >> Look, the Saudis have even said >> Look, the Saudis have even said therefore declassifying it. We should therefore declassifying it. We should therefore declassifying it. We should declassify it. Is it sensitive, Steve? declassify it. Is it sensitive, Steve? declassify it. Is it sensitive, Steve? Might it involve opening a bit of can of Might it involve opening a bit of can of Might it involve opening a bit of can of worms or some snakes crawling out of worms or some snakes crawling out of worms or some snakes crawling out of there? Yes. But I think we need a there? Yes. But I think we need a there? Yes. But I think we need a relationship with the Saudis where both relationship with the Saudis where both relationship with the Saudis where both countries are working together to fight countries are working together to fight countries are working together to fight against terrorism. And that's not always against terrorism. And that's not always against terrorism. And that's not always been the case.