Why Israelis and Palestinians Need New Narratives | The Ezra Klein Show

This political vision needs needs needs This political vision needs needs needs actually transformative actually transformative actually transformative national narratives of both people. I national narratives of both people. I national narratives of both people. I will start from us Palestinians. will start from us Palestinians. will start from us Palestinians. I I think it's time for all of us to I I think it's time for all of us to I I think it's time for all of us to acknowledge the collective history and acknowledge the collective history and acknowledge the collective history and memory of memory of the Jewish people memory of memory of the Jewish people memory of memory of the Jewish people >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> that is shaping their fears, uh >> that is shaping their fears, uh >> that is shaping their fears, uh insecurities, and so on. It doesn't in insecurities, and so on. It doesn't in insecurities, and so on. It doesn't in any mean any mean any mean to give them any legitimacy for what's to give them any legitimacy for what's to give them any legitimacy for what's have been done for the Palestinian have been done for the Palestinian have been done for the Palestinian people in the last 80 years, but we we people in the last 80 years, but we we people in the last 80 years, but we we we we need to understand these people. we we need to understand these people. we we need to understand these people. And these are very deep psychological And these are very deep psychological And these are very deep psychological deep aspects of any conflict that we deep aspects of any conflict that we deep aspects of any conflict that we need to acknowledge. It's the same need to acknowledge. It's the same need to acknowledge. It's the same for the Israeli Jews. They need to also for the Israeli Jews. They need to also for the Israeli Jews. They need to also have this national have this national have this national uh uh uh uh uh uh narrative transformation of moving from narrative transformation of moving from narrative transformation of moving from denying the Nakba denying the Nakba denying the Nakba and what happened there, um and the and what happened there, um and the and what happened there, um and the injustices.

injustices. injustices. And to acknowledge this is something And to acknowledge this is something And to acknowledge this is something that that that that they did. that they did. that they did. Um and in order to move forward, uh the Um and in order to move forward, uh the Um and in order to move forward, uh the the acknowledgement is very important, the acknowledgement is very important, the acknowledgement is very important, and the reconciliation with our and the reconciliation with our and the reconciliation with our self histories and memories and with the self histories and memories and with the self histories and memories and with the others are very important. others are very important. others are very important. >> If you would be 80 years ago in Europe >> If you would be 80 years ago in Europe >> If you would be 80 years ago in Europe and someone would tell you that in 75 and someone would tell you that in 75 and someone would tell you that in 75 years you would be able to move freely years you would be able to move freely years you would be able to move freely between France and Germany, and your between France and Germany, and your between France and Germany, and your grandchildren will be able to reside in grandchildren will be able to reside in grandchildren will be able to reside in Berlin as Berlin as Berlin as French hipsters, you would say, "There's French hipsters, you would say, "There's French hipsters, you would say, "There's no way. Lock her up." no way. Lock her up." no way. Lock her up." But that's the reality today. This was But that's the reality today. This was But that's the reality today. This was not, you know, that French and Germans not, you know, that French and Germans not, you know, that French and Germans were starting to love each other and to were starting to love each other and to were starting to love each other and to say, "Let's How can we live together say, "Let's How can we live together say, "Let's How can we live together happily?" It was after hundreds of years happily?" It was after hundreds of years happily?" It was after hundreds of years of bloodshed of bloodshed of bloodshed and the realization that their shared and the realization that their shared and the realization that their shared interests can actually ensure their interests can actually ensure their interests can actually ensure their safety. safety. safety. It took 70 years, 60 years, 50 years to It took 70 years, 60 years, 50 years to It took 70 years, 60 years, 50 years to get to an arrangement of freedom of get to an arrangement of freedom of get to an arrangement of freedom of movement. That's okay.

movement. That's okay. movement. That's okay. I have 50 years to wait for peace. I have 50 years to wait for peace. I have 50 years to wait for peace. I don't have 50 years waiting for what's I don't have 50 years waiting for what's I don't have 50 years waiting for what's going on right now to continue.