Ossoff: A Cross-Ideological 2028 Dark Horse | The Ezra Klein Show

What if you made of Jon Ossoff's What if you made of Jon Ossoff's emergence as emergence as emergence as uh like a uh like a uh like a a cross-ideological a cross-ideological a cross-ideological 2028 dark horse? There's something 2028 dark horse? There's something 2028 dark horse? There's something interesting in in what people are interesting in in what people are interesting in in what people are projecting onto Jon Ossoff. projecting onto Jon Ossoff. projecting onto Jon Ossoff. >> I have been jokingly calling him in our >> I have been jokingly calling him in our >> I have been jokingly calling him in our team Slack the Lisan al Gaib, team Slack the Lisan al Gaib, team Slack the Lisan al Gaib, uh which is which is a Dune reference to uh which is which is a Dune reference to uh which is which is a Dune reference to to the like to the like to the like >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> the the the you know the the Chalamet >> the the the you know the the Chalamet >> the the the you know the the Chalamet figure who is essentially the kind of figure who is essentially the kind of figure who is essentially the kind of chosen one, right? The the foretold chosen one, right? The the foretold chosen one, right? The the foretold prophet. This is a joke, just to be prophet. This is a joke, just to be prophet. This is a joke, just to be clear. There is something about the the clear. There is something about the the clear. There is something about the the way that he is performing way that he is performing way that he is performing his candidacy, the social media videos his candidacy, the social media videos his candidacy, the social media videos that putting out, the fact that he is that putting out, the fact that he is that putting out, the fact that he is very conventionally handsome and young very conventionally handsome and young very conventionally handsome and young and could be in a movie. and could be in a movie. and could be in a movie. >> Like AOC, he's very controlled in his >> Like AOC, he's very controlled in his >> Like AOC, he's very controlled in his media. media. media. >> Yeah, he's not playing a volume game. >> Yeah, he's not playing a volume game. >> Yeah, he's not playing a volume game. Not playing a volume game. You don't see Not playing a volume game. You don't see Not playing a volume game. You don't see him on podcast interviews right now. him on podcast interviews right now. him on podcast interviews right now. >> No. That not playing a volume game. >> No. That not playing a volume game. >> No. That not playing a volume game. >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> I think that he >> I think that he >> I think that he has figured out a way has figured out a way has figured out a way in a in a in a broadly palatable broadly palatable broadly palatable ideological fashion to leverage a ideological fashion to leverage a ideological fashion to leverage a populist moral critique of the rot of populist moral critique of the rot of populist moral critique of the rot of Trump Trump Trump >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> that can appeal across the different >> that can appeal across the different >> that can appeal across the different Democratic factions, which is important.

Democratic factions, which is important. Democratic factions, which is important. And Ossoff, they have figured out you And Ossoff, they have figured out you And Ossoff, they have figured out you you know the clip like immediately when you know the clip like immediately when you know the clip like immediately when you see it. you see it. you see it. And Ossoff used to be a documentarian And Ossoff used to be a documentarian And Ossoff used to be a documentarian who did documentaries on international who did documentaries on international who did documentaries on international corruption. Right. So, there's a corruption. Right. So, there's a corruption. Right. So, there's a background here. This guy actually knows background here. This guy actually knows background here. This guy actually knows how to create TV how to create TV how to create TV >> Yep. >> Yep. >> Yep. >> about corruption, but there's something >> about corruption, but there's something >> about corruption, but there's something really interesting to me about really interesting to me about really interesting to me about you know, first the scarcity, that the you know, first the scarcity, that the you know, first the scarcity, that the creating want. This who is Jon Ossoff, creating want. This who is Jon Ossoff, creating want. This who is Jon Ossoff, this building anticipation. this building anticipation. this building anticipation. Um Um Um plus this figuring out plus this figuring out plus this figuring out of a visual grammar of a visual grammar of a visual grammar >> that's distinct and wholly your own. >> that's distinct and wholly your own. >> that's distinct and wholly your own. >> And looks like Obama. >> And looks like Obama. >> And looks like Obama. >> Yes, it does look like Obama. >> Yes, it does look like Obama. >> Yes, it does look like Obama. >> like >> like >> like >> hero shot? >> hero shot? >> hero shot? >> It's always a hero shot. Which was a >> It's always a hero shot. Which was a >> It's always a hero shot. Which was a constant You remember there was an constant You remember there was an constant You remember there was an >> You got to be skinny for that to work. I >> You got to be skinny for that to work. I >> You got to be skinny for that to work. I just want it for anyone else who's just want it for anyone else who's just want it for anyone else who's taking notes out there in production. taking notes out there in production. taking notes out there in production. You got to be pretty thin for that hero You got to be pretty thin for that hero You got to be pretty thin for that hero shot to work. shot to work. shot to work. >> a great the hero shot being this sort of >> a great the hero shot being this sort of >> a great the hero shot being this sort of three quarters upwards angle. And three quarters upwards angle. And three quarters upwards angle. And otherwise you get a lot of chin. otherwise you get a lot of chin. otherwise you get a lot of chin. >> Yeah, you get a lot of chin. >> Yeah, you get a lot of chin. >> Yeah, you get a lot of chin. >> And there was this great Onion article >> And there was this great Onion article >> And there was this great Onion article on Obama uh where he something like on Obama uh where he something like on Obama uh where he something like Obama accidentally stares too far into Obama accidentally stares too far into Obama accidentally stares too far into future.

future. future. >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Because he was he was very good at this. >> Because he was he was very good at this. >> Because he was he was very good at this. >> I mean off shot is always >> I mean off shot is always >> I mean off shot is always >> It's always like this like he doesn't >> It's always like this like he doesn't >> It's always like this like he doesn't seem like he's looking at a crowd. seem like he's looking at a crowd. seem like he's looking at a crowd. >> Yeah, he's looking into the past the >> Yeah, he's looking into the past the >> Yeah, he's looking into the past the crowd. [laughter]