EP5 Nightmares of Indianapolis

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of this story it will remind you once of this story it will remind you once again that you know if I'm recounting a again that you know if I'm recounting a again that you know if I'm recounting a nightmarish sort of story to you I mean nightmarish sort of story to you I mean nightmarish sort of story to you I mean think about how many people actually think about how many people actually think about how many people actually woke up in the night for many many many woke up in the night for many many many woke up in the night for many many many decades after this event with this exact decades after this event with this exact decades after this event with this exact same nightmare and it's pretty safe to same nightmare and it's pretty safe to same nightmare and it's pretty safe to say that unlike me who wasn't there the say that unlike me who wasn't there the say that unlike me who wasn't there the people who were there would probably be people who were there would probably be people who were there would probably be unable to tell anyone else who wasn't unable to tell anyone else who wasn't unable to tell anyone else who wasn't there you know what they were seeing in there you know what they were seeing in there you know what they were seeing in their dreams so apologies for the lack their dreams so apologies for the lack their dreams so apologies for the lack of artistic flair and what you're going of artistic flair and what you're going of artistic flair and what you're going to hear now but um you know welcome to a to hear now but um you know welcome to a to hear now but um you know welcome to a nightmare of the Indianapolis it's hardcore history attendin I've it's hardcore history attendin I've tried to think about what the difference tried to think about what the difference tried to think about what the difference between one of these hardcore history between one of these hardcore history between one of these hardcore history addendums and one of the larger hardcore addendums and one of the larger hardcore addendums and one of the larger hardcore history shows is I mean what's the history shows is I mean what's the history shows is I mean what's the difference between the two of them difference between the two of them difference between the two of them besides obviously that we're doing some besides obviously that we're doing some besides obviously that we're doing some interviews but I thought you know interviews but I thought you know interviews but I thought you know there's a whole bunch of great stories there's a whole bunch of great stories there's a whole bunch of great stories out there and I write them down you know out there and I write them down you know out there and I write them down you know whenever I think of one I put it in a whenever I think of one I put it in a whenever I think of one I put it in a book so that you know someday when I book so that you know someday when I book so that you know someday when I don't have enough ideas there's a bunch don't have enough ideas there's a bunch don't have enough ideas there's a bunch already down I know a lot of you do this already down I know a lot of you do this already down I know a lot of you do this too and a bunch of these ideas are not too and a bunch of these ideas are not too and a bunch of these ideas are not worth a whole history show or you can't worth a whole history show or you can't worth a whole history show or you can't do a whole history show I mean I'd love do a whole history show I mean I'd love do a whole history show I mean I'd love to do something and I've wanted to do to do something and I've wanted to do to do something and I've wanted to do something for a long time on the ancient something for a long time on the ancient something for a long time on the ancient Egyptian neighbor known as cush the Egyptian neighbor known as cush the Egyptian neighbor known as cush the Kushites but there's no primary source Kushites but there's no primary source Kushites but there's no primary source material it's one of those things where material it's one of those things where material it's one of those things where you just can't hang a whole show on what

you just can't hang a whole show on what you just can't hang a whole show on what you have to work with there's a lot of you have to work with there's a lot of you have to work with there's a lot of stories like that the one today is like stories like that the one today is like stories like that the one today is like that I mean there is actually enough that I mean there is actually enough that I mean there is actually enough material to do a whole big for our thing material to do a whole big for our thing material to do a whole big for our thing on this subject but it would get on this subject but it would get on this subject but it would get repetitive and it will get repetitive in repetitive and it will get repetitive in repetitive and it will get repetitive in a way that makes the first world war a way that makes the first world war a way that makes the first world war program we did which was pretty program we did which was pretty program we did which was pretty repetitive in terms of you know ongoing repetitive in terms of you know ongoing repetitive in terms of you know ongoing horror it would make that seem a little horror it would make that seem a little horror it would make that seem a little tame because at a certain point in this tame because at a certain point in this tame because at a certain point in this story there's nothing but that and it's story there's nothing but that and it's story there's nothing but that and it's psychological torture after a certain psychological torture after a certain psychological torture after a certain amount of time and so it's hard to not amount of time and so it's hard to not amount of time and so it's hard to not get gratuitous or it's hard to not just get gratuitous or it's hard to not just get gratuitous or it's hard to not just get redundant at a certain point you get redundant at a certain point you get redundant at a certain point you want to be able to say to the audience want to be able to say to the audience want to be able to say to the audience and there's just more of that you know and there's just more of that you know and there's just more of that you know what that's like I thought about talking what that's like I thought about talking what that's like I thought about talking about this because I caught really the about this because I caught really the about this because I caught really the tail end the other night of a movie tail end the other night of a movie tail end the other night of a movie that's underrated although when I went that's underrated although when I went that's underrated although when I went online to do some more modern research online to do some more modern research online to do some more modern research on it I was surprised to find that it is on it I was surprised to find that it is on it I was surprised to find that it is considered kind of an artistic classic considered kind of an artistic classic considered kind of an artistic classic now it's one of Steven Spielberg's now it's one of Steven Spielberg's now it's one of Steven Spielberg's really early movies it's jaws I think he really early movies it's jaws I think he really early movies it's jaws I think he came out in like 1975 I was 10 and I can came out in like 1975 I was 10 and I can came out in like 1975 I was 10 and I can tell you that it was a huge event and tell you that it was a huge event and tell you that it was a huge event and sort of an unexpected when there'd been sort of an unexpected when there'd been sort of an unexpected when there'd been a novel that had done pretty well but a novel that had done pretty well but a novel that had done pretty well but the novel was very different than the the novel was very different than the the novel was very different than the movie and the movie as all I think movie and the movie as all I think movie and the movie as all I think really great films do has a number of really great films do has a number of really great films do has a number of really fine actors in it and you give really fine actors in it and you give really fine actors in it and you give those people a really fine script and I those people a really fine script and I those people a really fine script and I guess there was a significant amount of

guess there was a significant amount of guess there was a significant amount of improvisation from time to time that improvisation from time to time that improvisation from time to time that made it into the final version that the made it into the final version that the made it into the final version that the actors did but you remember who was in actors did but you remember who was in actors did but you remember who was in that immediate Roy Scheider who was that immediate Roy Scheider who was that immediate Roy Scheider who was great great great he had Richard Dreyfuss who's still he had Richard Dreyfuss who's still he had Richard Dreyfuss who's still great and my god yet Robert Shaw who was great and my god yet Robert Shaw who was great and my god yet Robert Shaw who was unbelievable and in there in that role I unbelievable and in there in that role I unbelievable and in there in that role I mean among others and you get the three mean among others and you get the three mean among others and you get the three of them at certain points in the story of them at certain points in the story of them at certain points in the story and they're just in the cabin I mean and they're just in the cabin I mean and they're just in the cabin I mean there's no scenery there's no movement there's no scenery there's no movement there's no scenery there's no movement really of the cameras it's just those really of the cameras it's just those really of the cameras it's just those three actors working a fine script and three actors working a fine script and three actors working a fine script and at one point Robert Shaw goes into a at one point Robert Shaw goes into a at one point Robert Shaw goes into a monologue and it's incredible from from monologue and it's incredible from from monologue and it's incredible from from appreciating the craft standpoint those appreciating the craft standpoint those appreciating the craft standpoint those of you who remember though the monologue of you who remember though the monologue of you who remember though the monologue it has to do with the character that it has to do with the character that it has to do with the character that Robert Shaw is playing in his past he's Robert Shaw is playing in his past he's Robert Shaw is playing in his past he's playing sort of an old sea-dog kind of playing sort of an old sea-dog kind of playing sort of an old sea-dog kind of fisherman who's gonna catch this shark fisherman who's gonna catch this shark fisherman who's gonna catch this shark and he knows a lot about sharks and he and he knows a lot about sharks and he and he knows a lot about sharks and he goes into the background and it turns goes into the background and it turns goes into the background and it turns out he was on the USS Indianapolis and out he was on the USS Indianapolis and out he was on the USS Indianapolis and those of you who know that story know those of you who know that story know those of you who know that story know how that's connected to sharks and so how that's connected to sharks and so how that's connected to sharks and so I'm watching this the tail and like I I'm watching this the tail and like I I'm watching this the tail and like I said of Jaws the other night and I just said of Jaws the other night and I just said of Jaws the other night and I just thought you know the Indianapolis is an thought you know the Indianapolis is an thought you know the Indianapolis is an amazing story and it typifies where sort amazing story and it typifies where sort amazing story and it typifies where sort of some of my interests tend to lean as of some of my interests tend to lean as of some of my interests tend to lean as you all know I always like to say maybe you all know I always like to say maybe you all know I always like to say maybe it's a nice way of saying if that I'm it's a nice way of saying if that I'm it's a nice way of saying if that I'm into the extremes of the human into the extremes of the human into the extremes of the human experience but some people think I'm experience but some people think I'm experience but some people think I'm just into war and there's and violence just into war and there's and violence just into war and there's and violence and you know it's funny sometimes I'll and you know it's funny sometimes I'll and you know it's funny sometimes I'll read accounts from like a hundred years

read accounts from like a hundred years read accounts from like a hundred years ago there's a famous one from a german ago there's a famous one from a german ago there's a famous one from a german general named von Moltke where he talks general named von Moltke where he talks general named von Moltke where he talks about sort of the the reasons you about sort of the the reasons you about sort of the the reasons you wouldn't want to go too long between wouldn't want to go too long between wouldn't want to go too long between wars because it brings out something in wars because it brings out something in wars because it brings out something in the human character and he's not talking the human character and he's not talking the human character and he's not talking about the low level side you know the about the low level side you know the about the low level side you know the the killing of your fellow man in the killing of your fellow man in the killing of your fellow man in butchery he's talking about sort of the butchery he's talking about sort of the butchery he's talking about sort of the higher side of the human experience and higher side of the human experience and higher side of the human experience and it's weird to think about that see I it's weird to think about that see I it's weird to think about that see I don't agree with him about that I'm not don't agree with him about that I'm not don't agree with him about that I'm not going there but the story of the going there but the story of the going there but the story of the Indianapolis is a perfect example of Indianapolis is a perfect example of Indianapolis is a perfect example of something something something where it only happens because of war but where it only happens because of war but where it only happens because of war but what happens after the sinking of the what happens after the sinking of the what happens after the sinking of the ship the famous sinking of the ship is ship the famous sinking of the ship is ship the famous sinking of the ship is one of these tales where I mean you just one of these tales where I mean you just one of these tales where I mean you just it sends tears down your face and not it sends tears down your face and not it sends tears down your face and not just because of the human suffering but just because of the human suffering but just because of the human suffering but because of the human reaction to the because of the human reaction to the because of the human reaction to the suffering right that it was kind of suffering right that it was kind of suffering right that it was kind of those higher qualities that von Moltke those higher qualities that von Moltke those higher qualities that von Moltke was sort of referring to when you see was sort of referring to when you see was sort of referring to when you see people under amazing amounts of physical people under amazing amounts of physical people under amazing amounts of physical and psychological pressure with fellow and psychological pressure with fellow and psychological pressure with fellow human beings and how they act in human beings and how they act in human beings and how they act in situations that are far more stressful situations that are far more stressful situations that are far more stressful than what one could be expected to than what one could be expected to than what one could be expected to reasonably handle the Indianapolis reasonably handle the Indianapolis reasonably handle the Indianapolis combines a number of things which would combines a number of things which would combines a number of things which would make my top 10 list of worst nightmares make my top 10 list of worst nightmares make my top 10 list of worst nightmares wrap them all into one wonderful package wrap them all into one wonderful package wrap them all into one wonderful package if you are a fan of disaster movies not if you are a fan of disaster movies not if you are a fan of disaster movies not to compare this to a disaster movie no to compare this to a disaster movie no to compare this to a disaster movie no offense some family members of offense some family members of offense some family members of Indianapolis survivors or not survivors

Indianapolis survivors or not survivors Indianapolis survivors or not survivors but I mean thank you my my mom was in a but I mean thank you my my mom was in a but I mean thank you my my mom was in a movie once that was a knock knock off of movie once that was a knock knock off of movie once that was a knock knock off of the towering inferno so build burning the towering inferno so build burning the towering inferno so build burning building that's a disaster movie you building that's a disaster movie you building that's a disaster movie you hang a whole movie on that and you have hang a whole movie on that and you have hang a whole movie on that and you have something like the Poseidon Adventure or something like the Poseidon Adventure or something like the Poseidon Adventure or Titanic which is a disaster movie of a Titanic which is a disaster movie of a Titanic which is a disaster movie of a ship sinking at sea had a whole movie on ship sinking at sea had a whole movie on ship sinking at sea had a whole movie on that there are I mean each each segment that there are I mean each each segment that there are I mean each each segment and phase in the Indianapolis story is and phase in the Indianapolis story is and phase in the Indianapolis story is one of those disaster films and by the one of those disaster films and by the one of those disaster films and by the time the story is over and is the story time the story is over and is the story time the story is over and is the story ever really over you know these people ever really over you know these people ever really over you know these people it's like these people went from the it's like these people went from the it's like these people went from the towering inferno hopped on board the towering inferno hopped on board the towering inferno hopped on board the Titanic I mean just one thing after Titanic I mean just one thing after Titanic I mean just one thing after another and I don't mean to make light another and I don't mean to make light another and I don't mean to make light of it because when you read the accounts of it because when you read the accounts of it because when you read the accounts of what these people went through and of what these people went through and of what these people went through and then you sort of magnify it because what then you sort of magnify it because what then you sort of magnify it because what they went through is not that uncommon they went through is not that uncommon they went through is not that uncommon in human history they're not like these in human history they're not like these in human history they're not like these real outliers it's uncommon for you and real outliers it's uncommon for you and real outliers it's uncommon for you and me to have gone through it but how many me to have gone through it but how many me to have gone through it but how many Mariners over the waves over the eras Mariners over the waves over the eras Mariners over the waves over the eras have had their ships sink and gone have had their ships sink and gone have had their ships sink and gone through the terrible things that that through the terrible things that that through the terrible things that that involves and then had to deal with some involves and then had to deal with some involves and then had to deal with some of these subsidiary things that all of of these subsidiary things that all of of these subsidiary things that all of the people who went in the water with the people who went in the water with the people who went in the water with the Indianapolis had to deal with so in the Indianapolis had to deal with so in the Indianapolis had to deal with so in a funny way this is a kind of common a funny way this is a kind of common a funny way this is a kind of common uncommon human experience if you will uncommon human experience if you will uncommon human experience if you will but the Indian Apple is a story is but the Indian Apple is a story is but the Indian Apple is a story is there's just it's got its own twists in there's just it's got its own twists in there's just it's got its own twists in this case if you don't know it let me this case if you don't know it let me this case if you don't know it let me fill you in for a minute and I don't fill you in for a minute and I don't fill you in for a minute and I don't know how well this is gonna work in know how well this is gonna work in know how well this is gonna work in short form because you know that's not

short form because you know that's not short form because you know that's not my normal John Rowe my normal John Rowe my normal John Rowe but the Indianapolis is famously known but the Indianapolis is famously known but the Indianapolis is famously known it's a USS Portland class cruiser heavy it's a USS Portland class cruiser heavy it's a USS Portland class cruiser heavy cruiser heavy cruisers generally mean cruiser heavy cruisers generally mean cruiser heavy cruisers generally mean you know bigger more armored bigger guns you know bigger more armored bigger guns you know bigger more armored bigger guns so in the United States Navy in the so in the United States Navy in the so in the United States Navy in the Second World War if it had six-inch guns Second World War if it had six-inch guns Second World War if it had six-inch guns it was probably a light cruiser if it it was probably a light cruiser if it it was probably a light cruiser if it had 8-inch guns it was probably a heavy had 8-inch guns it was probably a heavy had 8-inch guns it was probably a heavy cruiser about 10,000 tons big ship on cruiser about 10,000 tons big ship on cruiser about 10,000 tons big ship on hold between 600 and 700 feet long and hold between 600 and 700 feet long and hold between 600 and 700 feet long and in this case the Indianapolis is famous in this case the Indianapolis is famous in this case the Indianapolis is famous because it delivered some of the key because it delivered some of the key because it delivered some of the key components you know to an island in the components you know to an island in the components you know to an island in the Pacific that would be put together and Pacific that would be put together and Pacific that would be put together and made into the first atomic bomb but made into the first atomic bomb but made into the first atomic bomb but because of that it was a secret mission because of that it was a secret mission because of that it was a secret mission and people weren't really in the know and people weren't really in the know and people weren't really in the know about the comings and the goings of the about the comings and the goings of the about the comings and the goings of the Indianapolis perhaps as well as they Indianapolis perhaps as well as they Indianapolis perhaps as well as they should have been aware of it and this should have been aware of it and this should have been aware of it and this kind of plays into the story in a pretty kind of plays into the story in a pretty kind of plays into the story in a pretty big way because after delivering the big way because after delivering the big way because after delivering the components to the island of Tinian this components to the island of Tinian this components to the island of Tinian this Indianapolis Portland class heavy Indianapolis Portland class heavy Indianapolis Portland class heavy cruiser goes off on its merry way kind cruiser goes off on its merry way kind cruiser goes off on its merry way kind of towards the Philippines I think it of towards the Philippines I think it of towards the Philippines I think it was and in the night gets torpedoed by a was and in the night gets torpedoed by a was and in the night gets torpedoed by a Japanese submarine now this is in 1945 I Japanese submarine now this is in 1945 I Japanese submarine now this is in 1945 I think it's July so it's you know we are think it's July so it's you know we are think it's July so it's you know we are not that far from the end of the war at not that far from the end of the war at not that far from the end of the war at all I mean as we said they're kind of all I mean as we said they're kind of all I mean as we said they're kind of putting the parts together for the putting the parts together for the putting the parts together for the hiroshima bomb so not that far away from hiroshima bomb so not that far away from hiroshima bomb so not that far away from the end of the war but now you get to the end of the war but now you get to the end of the war but now you get to the first level of this disaster that the first level of this disaster that the first level of this disaster that these Indianapolis folks have to deal these Indianapolis folks have to deal these Indianapolis folks have to deal with imagine being asleep in your bunk

with imagine being asleep in your bunk with imagine being asleep in your bunk at night on a ship and two torpedoes at night on a ship and two torpedoes at night on a ship and two torpedoes slam into it one slammed into the bow at slam into it one slammed into the bow at slam into it one slammed into the bow at the front of the ship one slammed sort the front of the ship one slammed sort the front of the ship one slammed sort of amidships but a little forward of amidships but a little forward of amidships but a little forward survivors accounts and by the way you survivors accounts and by the way you survivors accounts and by the way you want to read a good book on this let me want to read a good book on this let me want to read a good book on this let me just break into this for a minute I just break into this for a minute I just break into this for a minute I really loved in harm's way by Doug really loved in harm's way by Doug really loved in harm's way by Doug Stanton although there are several books Stanton although there are several books Stanton although there are several books on the Indianapolis I'm going to quote a on the Indianapolis I'm going to quote a on the Indianapolis I'm going to quote a couple of pieces from Stanton's couple of pieces from Stanton's couple of pieces from Stanton's but if you think this story is but if you think this story is but if you think this story is interesting and you want to get the real interesting and you want to get the real interesting and you want to get the real feel for it he does a great job I think feel for it he does a great job I think feel for it he does a great job I think but Stanton talks about you know when but Stanton talks about you know when but Stanton talks about you know when the two torpedoes hit he's talking to a the two torpedoes hit he's talking to a the two torpedoes hit he's talking to a survivor that was loaded in the front of survivor that was loaded in the front of survivor that was loaded in the front of the ship and he was asleep in his bunk the ship and he was asleep in his bunk the ship and he was asleep in his bunk in one of these you know sort of ship in one of these you know sort of ship in one of these you know sort of ship rooms that they had that you probably rooms that they had that you probably rooms that they had that you probably have six eight ten guys and the the have six eight ten guys and the the have six eight ten guys and the the bunks are stacked against the wall and bunks are stacked against the wall and bunks are stacked against the wall and when the torpedoes hit the survivor says when the torpedoes hit the survivor says when the torpedoes hit the survivor says the lights go out and all the bunks fall the lights go out and all the bunks fall the lights go out and all the bunks fall and everybody's in a pile of people and and everybody's in a pile of people and and everybody's in a pile of people and some have broken arms and ribs and some have broken arms and ribs and some have broken arms and ribs and everybody of course woken up from a deep everybody of course woken up from a deep everybody of course woken up from a deep sleep you're totally confused and with sleep you're totally confused and with sleep you're totally confused and with the lights out it's you know extra bad the lights out it's you know extra bad the lights out it's you know extra bad so immediately this ship starts having so immediately this ship starts having so immediately this ship starts having problems and so the crew starts doing problems and so the crew starts doing problems and so the crew starts doing the typical things you do to try to you the typical things you do to try to you the typical things you do to try to you know prevent the ship from sinking and know prevent the ship from sinking and know prevent the ship from sinking and one of the things you do is you start one of the things you do is you start one of the things you do is you start walling off the compartments that are walling off the compartments that are walling off the compartments that are damaged and flooding dogging things down damaged and flooding dogging things down damaged and flooding dogging things down is the way Stanton has the Navy guys is the way Stanton has the Navy guys is the way Stanton has the Navy guys describing it in the book but the describing it in the book but the describing it in the book but the problem with that is if you're cutting problem with that is if you're cutting problem with that is if you're cutting off compartments that are flooding what off compartments that are flooding what off compartments that are flooding what do you do with the people that are still do you do with the people that are still do you do with the people that are still in the flooding compartments right so in the flooding compartments right so in the flooding compartments right so the first thing that just horrifies you the first thing that just horrifies you the first thing that just horrifies you in this story of the Indianapolis going in this story of the Indianapolis going in this story of the Indianapolis going down at night in the tropical waters

down at night in the tropical waters down at night in the tropical waters sort of east of the Philippines is that sort of east of the Philippines is that sort of east of the Philippines is that you have these sailors who have to cut you have these sailors who have to cut you have these sailors who have to cut their own shipmates off in flooding their own shipmates off in flooding their own shipmates off in flooding compartments and stents says you can compartments and stents says you can compartments and stents says you can hear them scream you know don't don't hear them scream you know don't don't hear them scream you know don't don't leave us here I mean what do you but leave us here I mean what do you but leave us here I mean what do you but what are you supposed to do so right what are you supposed to do so right what are you supposed to do so right there you get you know want to talk there you get you know want to talk there you get you know want to talk human experiences that are extreme and human experiences that are extreme and human experiences that are extreme and that are already larger than most of us that are already larger than most of us that are already larger than most of us will ever face in the first five minutes will ever face in the first five minutes will ever face in the first five minutes of this disaster there are guys dealing of this disaster there are guys dealing of this disaster there are guys dealing with things that are going to haunt with things that are going to haunt with things that are going to haunt their memories the rest of their lives their memories the rest of their lives their memories the rest of their lives and the and the affair is hardly started and the and the affair is hardly started and the and the affair is hardly started you know when you talk about the human you know when you talk about the human you know when you talk about the human capacity for endurance survival and not capacity for endurance survival and not capacity for endurance survival and not just survival through the event but then just survival through the event but then just survival through the event but then to be able to live with it you know to be able to live with it you know to be able to live with it you know afterwards and by the way the guy who afterwards and by the way the guy who afterwards and by the way the guy who was the captain of the Indianapolis made was the captain of the Indianapolis made was the captain of the Indianapolis made it about 20 years afterwards he'll it about 20 years afterwards he'll it about 20 years afterwards he'll survive the whole thing but he'll kill survive the whole thing but he'll kill survive the whole thing but he'll kill himself himself himself still getting Christmas cards from still getting Christmas cards from still getting Christmas cards from people who say and I'm quoting one here people who say and I'm quoting one here people who say and I'm quoting one here Merry Christmas our family's holiday Merry Christmas our family's holiday Merry Christmas our family's holiday would be a lot merrier if you hadn't would be a lot merrier if you hadn't would be a lot merrier if you hadn't killed my son Stanton says that the killed my son Stanton says that the killed my son Stanton says that the captain a guy named McVeigh would keep captain a guy named McVeigh would keep captain a guy named McVeigh would keep all of these letters and put them you all of these letters and put them you all of these letters and put them you know with a ribbon around them and keep know with a ribbon around them and keep know with a ribbon around them and keep them in his desk blaming himself always them in his desk blaming himself always them in his desk blaming himself always for what happened on that dark night but for what happened on that dark night but for what happened on that dark night but on this ship these people that survived on this ship these people that survived on this ship these people that survived will talk about seeing him you know

will talk about seeing him you know will talk about seeing him you know running around this sinking ship as it running around this sinking ship as it running around this sinking ship as it starts to take on water and by the way starts to take on water and by the way starts to take on water and by the way they have 12 minutes between the time they have 12 minutes between the time they have 12 minutes between the time the torpedoes strike till the time it the torpedoes strike till the time it the torpedoes strike till the time it goes down and once again the idea of goes down and once again the idea of goes down and once again the idea of having a between 600 and 700 foot long having a between 600 and 700 foot long having a between 600 and 700 foot long 10,000 ton ship begin to disintegrate 10,000 ton ship begin to disintegrate 10,000 ton ship begin to disintegrate out from under you and go underwater as out from under you and go underwater as out from under you and go underwater as the waves begin rolling people off the the waves begin rolling people off the the waves begin rolling people off the deck is crazy' deck is crazy' deck is crazy' also so now right away we're like the also so now right away we're like the also so now right away we're like the second stage so you had to cut your second stage so you had to cut your second stage so you had to cut your seamen off and dog down into the seamen off and dog down into the seamen off and dog down into the compartments and consign them to certain compartments and consign them to certain compartments and consign them to certain death so the rest of the ship might death so the rest of the ship might death so the rest of the ship might survive now you're dealing with the survive now you're dealing with the survive now you're dealing with the mental image of this ship starting to go mental image of this ship starting to go mental image of this ship starting to go down by the bow that's in the front and down by the bow that's in the front and down by the bow that's in the front and the stern starts to slowly rise out of the stern starts to slowly rise out of the stern starts to slowly rise out of the webbing the ship is going the webbing the ship is going the webbing the ship is going perpendicular and people are dropping perpendicular and people are dropping perpendicular and people are dropping off and stanton describes survivors off and stanton describes survivors off and stanton describes survivors saying people will jump off and hit the saying people will jump off and hit the saying people will jump off and hit the rudders people will jump off and hit the rudders people will jump off and hit the rudders people will jump off and hit the propellers that are still spinning and propellers that are still spinning and propellers that are still spinning and be launched off into space once again be launched off into space once again be launched off into space once again how do you even in 12 minutes or less how do you even in 12 minutes or less how do you even in 12 minutes or less really process all this and it's dark really process all this and it's dark really process all this and it's dark and people are freaking out I mean this and people are freaking out I mean this and people are freaking out I mean this is like a giant accident scene right is like a giant accident scene right is like a giant accident scene right away there's like between 11 and 12 away there's like between 11 and 12 away there's like between 11 and 12 hundred guys on the ship and more than hundred guys on the ship and more than hundred guys on the ship and more than 300 are going to die in the first 12 300 are going to die in the first 12 300 are going to die in the first 12 minutes and so you're watching all this minutes and so you're watching all this minutes and so you're watching all this happening and many of these people now happening and many of these people now happening and many of these people now are grievously wounded Stanton

are grievously wounded Stanton are grievously wounded Stanton one of the main survivors he talks about one of the main survivors he talks about one of the main survivors he talks about in this thing I mean the first thing he in this thing I mean the first thing he in this thing I mean the first thing he hears when he recovers from hearing the hears when he recovers from hearing the hears when he recovers from hearing the torpedo hits is somebody screaming in torpedo hits is somebody screaming in torpedo hits is somebody screaming in the compartment next door and he runs the compartment next door and he runs the compartment next door and he runs over there realizes it's his friend the over there realizes it's his friend the over there realizes it's his friend the dentist but he can't open the door cuz dentist but he can't open the door cuz dentist but he can't open the door cuz the whole thing's on fire and he just the whole thing's on fire and he just the whole thing's on fire and he just has to let him burn has to let him burn has to let him burn death in the first two minutes and then death in the first two minutes and then death in the first two minutes and then he burns his hand because the ship he burns his hand because the ship he burns his hand because the ship itself is turning red hot he puts his itself is turning red hot he puts his itself is turning red hot he puts his hands on the deck or on a rail boom and hands on the deck or on a rail boom and hands on the deck or on a rail boom and he got burned hands and then as the ship he got burned hands and then as the ship he got burned hands and then as the ship starts to go kind of perpendicular he starts to go kind of perpendicular he starts to go kind of perpendicular he tells the story about they have a bunch tells the story about they have a bunch tells the story about they have a bunch of wounded people I guess in the sickbay of wounded people I guess in the sickbay of wounded people I guess in the sickbay but they're on cots and they're tied to but they're on cots and they're tied to but they're on cots and they're tied to their beds and whatnot and he says they their beds and whatnot and he says they their beds and whatnot and he says they just all slide right into the sea and just all slide right into the sea and just all slide right into the sea and he's sitting there watching this happen he's sitting there watching this happen he's sitting there watching this happen slack-jawed I read a book um slack-jawed I read a book um slack-jawed I read a book um a while back and it's about how people a while back and it's about how people a while back and it's about how people react in disasters trying to remember react in disasters trying to remember react in disasters trying to remember what it was like if the worst should what it was like if the worst should what it was like if the worst should occur or something like that I think we occur or something like that I think we occur or something like that I think we talked about it once but but it's by one talked about it once but but it's by one talked about it once but but it's by one of these experts who studies these of these experts who studies these of these experts who studies these things and one of the things that they things and one of the things that they things and one of the things that they said is in situations like this right said is in situations like this right said is in situations like this right plane crashes or shipwrecks or whatnot plane crashes or shipwrecks or whatnot plane crashes or shipwrecks or whatnot most people are like stunned into most people are like stunned into most people are like stunned into numbness they don't do anything right in numbness they don't do anything right in numbness they don't do anything right in some of these bad plane crashes some of these bad plane crashes some of these bad plane crashes everybody could have gotten out but they everybody could have gotten out but they everybody could have gotten out but they sat there and burned to death you know sat there and burned to death you know sat there and burned to death you know on the tarmac that's shocking but that's on the tarmac that's shocking but that's on the tarmac that's shocking but that's what you would expect to happen on a what you would expect to happen on a what you would expect to happen on a ship like this and yet maybe it's the ship like this and yet maybe it's the ship like this and yet maybe it's the military training military training military training who knows maybe it's the fact you have

who knows maybe it's the fact you have who knows maybe it's the fact you have officers barking out orders but you're officers barking out orders but you're officers barking out orders but you're not seeing a ton of that you are seeing not seeing a ton of that you are seeing not seeing a ton of that you are seeing people jumping in the water as fast as people jumping in the water as fast as people jumping in the water as fast as they can go because they're all afraid they can go because they're all afraid they can go because they're all afraid of the same thing when a big ship goes of the same thing when a big ship goes of the same thing when a big ship goes down it sucks stuff down with it a lot down it sucks stuff down with it a lot down it sucks stuff down with it a lot of the time it creates a vacuum that can of the time it creates a vacuum that can of the time it creates a vacuum that can drown swimmers who are anywhere near by drown swimmers who are anywhere near by drown swimmers who are anywhere near by so everyone knows that the ships going so everyone knows that the ships going so everyone knows that the ships going down you got to get as far away from it down you got to get as far away from it down you got to get as far away from it as possible it's like you know when you as possible it's like you know when you as possible it's like you know when you get into an auto wreck and you're get into an auto wreck and you're get into an auto wreck and you're worried that the gasoline is leaking in worried that the gasoline is leaking in worried that the gasoline is leaking in the car is gonna catch on fire you want the car is gonna catch on fire you want the car is gonna catch on fire you want to get far away from it well when the to get far away from it well when the to get far away from it well when the ship goes down it's gonna suck ship goes down it's gonna suck ship goes down it's gonna suck everything down with it in several of everything down with it in several of everything down with it in several of the survivors the survivors the survivors once again imagine this what one of them once again imagine this what one of them once again imagine this what one of them talks about having it feel as though talks about having it feel as though talks about having it feel as though somebody was yanking his foot and his somebody was yanking his foot and his somebody was yanking his foot and his shoe came off and all of a sudden with a shoe came off and all of a sudden with a shoe came off and all of a sudden with a life vest he went way underwater to life vest he went way underwater to life vest he went way underwater to where his ears are popping in his eyes where his ears are popping in his eyes where his ears are popping in his eyes feel like they're gonna you know pop out feel like they're gonna you know pop out feel like they're gonna you know pop out of his head and then he said he got of his head and then he said he got of his head and then he said he got caught in a giant air bubble you know caught in a giant air bubble you know caught in a giant air bubble you know that escaped from the sinking ship and that escaped from the sinking ship and that escaped from the sinking ship and it goes pops him up and shoots him up he it goes pops him up and shoots him up he it goes pops him up and shoots him up he said three feet into the air before he said three feet into the air before he said three feet into the air before he came down again in an ABS came down again in an ABS came down again in an ABS lutely pitch-black ocean covered as far lutely pitch-black ocean covered as far lutely pitch-black ocean covered as far as the eye could see if it could see in as the eye could see if it could see in as the eye could see if it could see in the dark with a 2-inch thick molasses the dark with a 2-inch thick molasses the dark with a 2-inch thick molasses like consistency oil spill from the ship like consistency oil spill from the ship like consistency oil spill from the ship that is burning the eyes and coating all that is burning the eyes and coating all that is burning the eyes and coating all of these men and if you ever look at of these men and if you ever look at of these men and if you ever look at photographs of people being rescued from photographs of people being rescued from photographs of people being rescued from like their ship being torpedoed when like their ship being torpedoed when like their ship being torpedoed when maybe they were in the Merchant Marine maybe they were in the Merchant Marine maybe they were in the Merchant Marine maybe they were on a destroyer but you maybe they were on a destroyer but you maybe they were on a destroyer but you can kind of see there's some great Life can kind of see there's some great Life can kind of see there's some great Life magazine ones I recall and when they

magazine ones I recall and when they magazine ones I recall and when they come on board they're covered in oil and come on board they're covered in oil and come on board they're covered in oil and that's what these people are instantly that's what these people are instantly that's what these people are instantly covered in and what's worse is that oil covered in and what's worse is that oil covered in and what's worse is that oil can catch on fire and the surface of the can catch on fire and the surface of the can catch on fire and the surface of the ocean can burn that happened if you look ocean can burn that happened if you look ocean can burn that happened if you look at movie footage you can see that happen at movie footage you can see that happen at movie footage you can see that happen to Pearl Harbor you know the ocean to Pearl Harbor you know the ocean to Pearl Harbor you know the ocean caught on fire in places so at this caught on fire in places so at this caught on fire in places so at this point what you have is the equivalent of point what you have is the equivalent of point what you have is the equivalent of like the Titanic sinking or the like the Titanic sinking or the like the Titanic sinking or the Lusitania torpedoed you know big ship Lusitania torpedoed you know big ship Lusitania torpedoed you know big ship going down in the middle of the ocean going down in the middle of the ocean going down in the middle of the ocean now difference between both the Titanic now difference between both the Titanic now difference between both the Titanic and the Lusitania though if I can boil and the Lusitania though if I can boil and the Lusitania though if I can boil it down to one thing is the temperature it down to one thing is the temperature it down to one thing is the temperature when the Titanic sank when the Titanic sank when the Titanic sank you had icebergs so it's cold the you had icebergs so it's cold the you had icebergs so it's cold the Lusitania went down sort of over by Lusitania went down sort of over by Lusitania went down sort of over by Ireland I believe cold water you're not Ireland I believe cold water you're not Ireland I believe cold water you're not going to have people surviving a long going to have people surviving a long going to have people surviving a long time in the water now if you're trying time in the water now if you're trying time in the water now if you're trying to rescue them actively this is a to rescue them actively this is a to rescue them actively this is a nightmarish situation right you've got nightmarish situation right you've got nightmarish situation right you've got to get to the people before they you to get to the people before they you to get to the people before they you know get hypothermia and they die in the know get hypothermia and they die in the know get hypothermia and they die in the water on the other hand if you're going water on the other hand if you're going water on the other hand if you're going to die anyway in the water in the to die anyway in the water in the to die anyway in the water in the Pacific in the very tropical warm Pacific in the very tropical warm Pacific in the very tropical warm regions you might wish it had come as regions you might wish it had come as regions you might wish it had come as quickly as cold water because with the quickly as cold water because with the quickly as cold water because with the water as warm as it is sometimes water as warm as it is sometimes water as warm as it is sometimes slightly over 80 degrees you can stay in slightly over 80 degrees you can stay in slightly over 80 degrees you can stay in the water a long time good thing if the water a long time good thing if the water a long time good thing if you're trying to be rescued bad things you're trying to be rescued bad things you're trying to be rescued bad things if there's other things in the water you

if there's other things in the water you if there's other things in the water you know besides you that you need to worry know besides you that you need to worry know besides you that you need to worry about also bad if you don't have any about also bad if you don't have any about also bad if you don't have any fresh water which they don't and all of fresh water which they don't and all of fresh water which they don't and all of a sudden a sudden a sudden 300 or so men perished right away 900 or 300 or so men perished right away 900 or 300 or so men perished right away 900 or so men are in the water and you begin so men are in the water and you begin so men are in the water and you begin now the other part of the nightmarish now the other part of the nightmarish now the other part of the nightmarish thing um I don't know how many of you thing um I don't know how many of you thing um I don't know how many of you have been in the ocean at night in the have been in the ocean at night in the have been in the ocean at night in the water in the ocean at night there's water in the ocean at night there's water in the ocean at night there's something calm and beautiful about it something calm and beautiful about it something calm and beautiful about it isn't there but there's something a isn't there but there's something a isn't there but there's something a little freaky about it too first of all little freaky about it too first of all little freaky about it too first of all you have no idea what's going on you have no idea what's going on you have no idea what's going on underneath you if you're in the deep underneath you if you're in the deep underneath you if you're in the deep areas right I mean you know there's a areas right I mean you know there's a areas right I mean you know there's a whole world of ocean underneath you whole world of ocean underneath you whole world of ocean underneath you what's more is if there's no moon out it what's more is if there's no moon out it what's more is if there's no moon out it can get pitch-black and you can't see can get pitch-black and you can't see can get pitch-black and you can't see anything so now when we talk about anything so now when we talk about anything so now when we talk about personal things that would bother us personal things that would bother us personal things that would bother us we're getting into my own personal we're getting into my own personal we're getting into my own personal nightmares a little bit here because you nightmares a little bit here because you nightmares a little bit here because you throw me out in the middle of the ocean throw me out in the middle of the ocean throw me out in the middle of the ocean in pitch-black darkness that is so I'm in pitch-black darkness that is so I'm in pitch-black darkness that is so I'm already gonna have some psychological already gonna have some psychological already gonna have some psychological problems I think and I do think that problems I think and I do think that problems I think and I do think that this is why these stories fascinate me this is why these stories fascinate me this is why these stories fascinate me because these figures in the story because these figures in the story because these figures in the story because of things like war are cast into because of things like war are cast into because of things like war are cast into situations that are well unimaginable situations that are well unimaginable situations that are well unimaginable and if they just gave up we would and if they just gave up we would and if they just gave up we would totally understand the fact that they totally understand the fact that they totally understand the fact that they don't is you know if the old is a cliche don't is you know if the old is a cliche don't is you know if the old is a cliche but it's the triumph of the human but it's the triumph of the human but it's the triumph of the human species right and let's be honest a species right and let's be honest a species right and let's be honest a bunch of people do give up in this story

bunch of people do give up in this story bunch of people do give up in this story and you can totally sympathize with them and you can totally sympathize with them and you can totally sympathize with them to when you can hear what they've gone to when you can hear what they've gone to when you can hear what they've gone through so the story continues and you through so the story continues and you through so the story continues and you begin to find you know the men you know begin to find you know the men you know begin to find you know the men you know as the light of day breaks out in groups as the light of day breaks out in groups as the light of day breaks out in groups they're all in clusters spread out over they're all in clusters spread out over they're all in clusters spread out over a great distance you know calling to a great distance you know calling to a great distance you know calling to each other trying to find each other each other trying to find each other each other trying to find each other trying to sort of swim to each other as trying to sort of swim to each other as trying to sort of swim to each other as best they can the horrible part of this best they can the horrible part of this best they can the horrible part of this story now when they're in the water story now when they're in the water story now when they're in the water though is a lot of people have horrible though is a lot of people have horrible though is a lot of people have horrible injuries you didn't have a bunch of injuries you didn't have a bunch of injuries you didn't have a bunch of healthy you know ready to go lifeguard healthy you know ready to go lifeguard healthy you know ready to go lifeguard type people jump in the water you had a type people jump in the water you had a type people jump in the water you had a bunch of shipwreck survivors people bunch of shipwreck survivors people bunch of shipwreck survivors people who's you know one guy in the story and who's you know one guy in the story and who's you know one guy in the story and once again I always try to remember that once again I always try to remember that once again I always try to remember that the people who were with these people the people who were with these people the people who were with these people who survived carried these memories with who survived carried these memories with who survived carried these memories with them forever but one guy in this story a them forever but one guy in this story a them forever but one guy in this story a friend of one of the people he keeps friend of one of the people he keeps friend of one of the people he keeps quoting in the book Stanton has his eyes quoting in the book Stanton has his eyes quoting in the book Stanton has his eyes completely burned out completely burned out completely burned out and he's going to die but it's going to and he's going to die but it's going to and he's going to die but it's going to take him time but nobody wants to leave take him time but nobody wants to leave take him time but nobody wants to leave him again you see these higher qualities him again you see these higher qualities him again you see these higher qualities come to the fore where I mean nobody come to the fore where I mean nobody come to the fore where I mean nobody might survive this but we're gonna take might survive this but we're gonna take might survive this but we're gonna take a guy who's certainly not going to a guy who's certainly not going to a guy who's certainly not going to survive it and expend you know important survive it and expend you know important survive it and expend you know important energy that could be spent on living energy that could be spent on living energy that could be spent on living people that are you know could go either people that are you know could go either people that are you know could go either way but that's that's the higher human way but that's that's the higher human way but that's that's the higher human qualities right and so he talks about qualities right and so he talks about qualities right and so he talks about this guy eventually saying I'm not gonna this guy eventually saying I'm not gonna this guy eventually saying I'm not gonna make it make it make it I want here's what I want you to tell my I want here's what I want you to tell my I want here's what I want you to tell my wife you know and all these kind of wife you know and all these kind of wife you know and all these kind of things and it's wrenching once again I things and it's wrenching once again I things and it's wrenching once again I can't help but think that if the person can't help but think that if the person can't help but think that if the person I think he's a doctor who's hearing this I think he's a doctor who's hearing this I think he's a doctor who's hearing this man with the burned out eyes tell him man with the burned out eyes tell him man with the burned out eyes tell him you know here's what I want you to tell you know here's what I want you to tell you know here's what I want you to tell my wife if he's in no danger at all he's my wife if he's in no danger at all he's my wife if he's in no danger at all he's gonna take that memory to the grave with

gonna take that memory to the grave with gonna take that memory to the grave with him right probably gonna drink a lot him right probably gonna drink a lot him right probably gonna drink a lot more whiskey than he otherwise would more whiskey than he otherwise would more whiskey than he otherwise would have drank in his life because that is have drank in his life because that is have drank in his life because that is such a emotionally impacting moment but such a emotionally impacting moment but such a emotionally impacting moment but he himself is about to go through this he himself is about to go through this he himself is about to go through this harrowing experience and it's gonna be harrowing experience and it's gonna be harrowing experience and it's gonna be one hammer blow to the psyche of these one hammer blow to the psyche of these one hammer blow to the psyche of these people after another you have a lot of people after another you have a lot of people after another you have a lot of wounded people in the water bleeding a wounded people in the water bleeding a wounded people in the water bleeding a lot of burns and as you all know burns lot of burns and as you all know burns lot of burns and as you all know burns are particularly nasty and horrible and are particularly nasty and horrible and are particularly nasty and horrible and not enough life jackets people floating not enough life jackets people floating not enough life jackets people floating on flotsam and jetsam the guy I just on flotsam and jetsam the guy I just on flotsam and jetsam the guy I just mentioned who had to hear you know what mentioned who had to hear you know what mentioned who had to hear you know what the dying sailor wanted his wife told the dying sailor wanted his wife told the dying sailor wanted his wife told was named dr. Haynes and he's quoted by was named dr. Haynes and he's quoted by was named dr. Haynes and he's quoted by Stanton in the book and this incident is Stanton in the book and this incident is Stanton in the book and this incident is particularly highlighted and by the way particularly highlighted and by the way particularly highlighted and by the way people are vomiting because they've people are vomiting because they've people are vomiting because they've ingested salt water and fuel oil stanton ingested salt water and fuel oil stanton ingested salt water and fuel oil stanton writes quote a few boys were vomiting so writes quote a few boys were vomiting so writes quote a few boys were vomiting so violently that they were actually doing violently that they were actually doing violently that they were actually doing somersaults in the water trying to keep somersaults in the water trying to keep somersaults in the water trying to keep calm Haynes called out here right here calm Haynes called out here right here calm Haynes called out here right here where is the sick sailor and then he where is the sick sailor and then he where is the sick sailor and then he moved into the throng about a dozen moved into the throng about a dozen moved into the throng about a dozen sailors were holding a body aloft an sailors were holding a body aloft an sailors were holding a body aloft an amazing feat of strength considering amazing feat of strength considering amazing feat of strength considering that they were all treading water that they were all treading water that they were all treading water furiously to stay afloat beneath the furiously to stay afloat beneath the furiously to stay afloat beneath the added weight the man in question was in added weight the man in question was in added weight the man in question was in terrible shape Stanton writes his eyes terrible shape Stanton writes his eyes terrible shape Stanton writes his eyes had been burned away the flesh on his had been burned away the flesh on his had been burned away the flesh on his hands was gone and what remained were hands was gone and what remained were hands was gone and what remained were bare tendons the boys held him up in an bare tendons the boys held him up in an bare tendons the boys held him up in an effort to keep these wounds out of the effort to keep these wounds out of the effort to keep these wounds out of the stinging bath of salt water Haynes stinging bath of salt water Haynes stinging bath of salt water Haynes recognized the man as

recognized the man as recognized the man as good friend and liberty buddy gunnery good friend and liberty buddy gunnery good friend and liberty buddy gunnery officer Stanley Lipsky miraculously officer Stanley Lipsky miraculously officer Stanley Lipsky miraculously Lipsky had made his way blind from the Lipsky had made his way blind from the Lipsky had made his way blind from the quarterdeck off the ship and into the quarterdeck off the ship and into the quarterdeck off the ship and into the water water water Haynes knew that lipski's Payne must be Haynes knew that lipski's Payne must be Haynes knew that lipski's Payne must be intolerable he himself could barely look intolerable he himself could barely look intolerable he himself could barely look at his old friend who was moaning softly at his old friend who was moaning softly at his old friend who was moaning softly Stanley he knew was one tough bird Stanley he knew was one tough bird Stanley he knew was one tough bird Haynes also understood that he didn't Haynes also understood that he didn't Haynes also understood that he didn't have long to live have long to live have long to live reluctantly he turned away to those he reluctantly he turned away to those he reluctantly he turned away to those he could actually help end quote could actually help end quote could actually help end quote and yet that guy with the burned out and yet that guy with the burned out and yet that guy with the burned out eyes will make it onto a life raft and eyes will make it onto a life raft and eyes will make it onto a life raft and eventually tell that same doctor that eventually tell that same doctor that eventually tell that same doctor that you know what he wants his wife to know you know what he wants his wife to know you know what he wants his wife to know last words and you know get married last words and you know get married last words and you know get married again after me and all that now I should again after me and all that now I should again after me and all that now I should point out that at this point in the point out that at this point in the point out that at this point in the story you know it could be a war story story you know it could be a war story story you know it could be a war story from many theaters many different kinds from many theaters many different kinds from many theaters many different kinds of conflicts over many different eras of conflicts over many different eras of conflicts over many different eras the part though that is about to happen the part though that is about to happen the part though that is about to happen now the part that inspired me to talk now the part that inspired me to talk now the part that inspired me to talk about this perhaps tapping into you know about this perhaps tapping into you know about this perhaps tapping into you know your own secret nightmares is a little your own secret nightmares is a little your own secret nightmares is a little bit different and no doubt it happened bit different and no doubt it happened bit different and no doubt it happened many times in history not recorded on many times in history not recorded on many times in history not recorded on anyone's parchment or you know logs anyone's parchment or you know logs anyone's parchment or you know logs anywhere but this happened in close anywhere but this happened in close anywhere but this happened in close enough to modern times that we have many enough to modern times that we have many enough to modern times that we have many many many gruesome memories written down many many gruesome memories written down many many gruesome memories written down by survivors of what it was like to go by survivors of what it was like to go by survivors of what it was like to go down in the middle of the ocean with down in the middle of the ocean with down in the middle of the ocean with sharks everywhere have you ever seen the

sharks everywhere have you ever seen the sharks everywhere have you ever seen the drone footage some of it came out drone footage some of it came out drone footage some of it came out recently they were showing I think it recently they were showing I think it recently they were showing I think it was the Florida coast from a drone above was the Florida coast from a drone above was the Florida coast from a drone above I don't know wanna say 500 feet a I don't know wanna say 500 feet a I don't know wanna say 500 feet a thousand feet above just the coastline thousand feet above just the coastline thousand feet above just the coastline so was you know basically taking so was you know basically taking so was you know basically taking pictures of a hundred yards offshore and pictures of a hundred yards offshore and pictures of a hundred yards offshore and it appears to be schools of fish that's it appears to be schools of fish that's it appears to be schools of fish that's what it looks like if you're not paying what it looks like if you're not paying what it looks like if you're not paying close attention so you know lots of fish close attention so you know lots of fish close attention so you know lots of fish it's not you know fish in the general it's not you know fish in the general it's not you know fish in the general term I guess it's officially still fish term I guess it's officially still fish term I guess it's officially still fish but they're sharks and I guess they but they're sharks and I guess they but they're sharks and I guess they maybe were migrating but the first thing maybe were migrating but the first thing maybe were migrating but the first thing you notice if you're paying attention you notice if you're paying attention you notice if you're paying attention you watch it over and over and over you watch it over and over and over you watch it over and over and over again not that I'm obsessed with it or again not that I'm obsessed with it or again not that I'm obsessed with it or anything like that is that most of these anything like that is that most of these anything like that is that most of these sharks I was reading in the photograph sharks I was reading in the photograph sharks I was reading in the photograph or in the drone footage are in the four or in the drone footage are in the four or in the drone footage are in the four to six to six to six range kind of a you know fully grown range kind of a you know fully grown range kind of a you know fully grown decent-sized shark from one of these decent-sized shark from one of these decent-sized shark from one of these particular breeds of shark but you could particular breeds of shark but you could particular breeds of shark but you could instantly tell amongst those average instantly tell amongst those average instantly tell amongst those average sized ones you know every now and then sized ones you know every now and then sized ones you know every now and then there are big big big ones I mean you there are big big big ones I mean you there are big big big ones I mean you don't even know what they are 18 feet don't even know what they are 18 feet don't even know what they are 18 feet maybe I mean you look at them and there maybe I mean you look at them and there maybe I mean you look at them and there you go that's three times as long as the you go that's three times as long as the you go that's three times as long as the other one um imagine being you know just other one um imagine being you know just other one um imagine being you know just you're paragliding one day off the you're paragliding one day off the you're paragliding one day off the Florida coast and you just splash down Florida coast and you just splash down Florida coast and you just splash down right in the middle of that now there's right in the middle of that now there's right in the middle of that now there's no guarantee that anything will happen no guarantee that anything will happen no guarantee that anything will happen to you right they may just all scatter to you right they may just all scatter to you right they may just all scatter and fright and leave you totally alone and fright and leave you totally alone and fright and leave you totally alone but they might not now what if you're but they might not now what if you're but they might not now what if you're bleeding at the same time not gonna make bleeding at the same time not gonna make bleeding at the same time not gonna make any difference or wounded what if you're any difference or wounded what if you're any difference or wounded what if you're there for a long time and you don't go there for a long time and you don't go there for a long time and you don't go away I mean it's one thing to say I

away I mean it's one thing to say I away I mean it's one thing to say I crash-landed off the coast of Florida crash-landed off the coast of Florida crash-landed off the coast of Florida into a school of sharks and I swam to into a school of sharks and I swam to into a school of sharks and I swam to the shore and I made it out miraculously the shore and I made it out miraculously the shore and I made it out miraculously alive yeah but what if you stay there alive yeah but what if you stay there alive yeah but what if you stay there for four days hmm is that a nightmare for four days hmm is that a nightmare for four days hmm is that a nightmare it's a nightmare in the daytime what it's a nightmare in the daytime what it's a nightmare in the daytime what happens when you turn out the lights on happens when you turn out the lights on happens when you turn out the lights on that and what happens when the sharks that and what happens when the sharks that and what happens when the sharks start attacking not you but people start attacking not you but people start attacking not you but people within hearing distance of you the within hearing distance of you the within hearing distance of you the nightmare of the Indianapolis and the nightmare of the Indianapolis and the nightmare of the Indianapolis and the key part of the monologue that Robert key part of the monologue that Robert key part of the monologue that Robert Shaw gives us the Quint character in Shaw gives us the Quint character in Shaw gives us the Quint character in Jaws is what the moment when the sharks Jaws is what the moment when the sharks Jaws is what the moment when the sharks start attacking the hundreds of men in start attacking the hundreds of men in start attacking the hundreds of men in the water is like they can see them the water is like they can see them the water is like they can see them underneath them I mean this is what's so underneath them I mean this is what's so underneath them I mean this is what's so freaky is that this water is apparently freaky is that this water is apparently freaky is that this water is apparently clear to like 40 or 50 feet you know clear to like 40 or 50 feet you know clear to like 40 or 50 feet you know you're in the tropics it's a gorgeous you're in the tropics it's a gorgeous you're in the tropics it's a gorgeous color as a matter of fact it's so bright color as a matter of fact it's so bright color as a matter of fact it's so bright when the Sun starts hitting the water when the Sun starts hitting the water when the Sun starts hitting the water that that it's blinding people and it's that that it's blinding people and it's that that it's blinding people and it's over a hundred degrees in the daytime so over a hundred degrees in the daytime so over a hundred degrees in the daytime so they're frying the parts that are above they're frying the parts that are above they're frying the parts that are above the water if these people have life the water if these people have life the water if these people have life vests a bunch of the people who are vests a bunch of the people who are vests a bunch of the people who are floating in the water with life vests floating in the water with life vests floating in the water with life vests will lose everything underneath the will lose everything underneath the will lose everything underneath the water to the Sharks water to the Sharks water to the Sharks and there are multiple accounts of and there are multiple accounts of and there are multiple accounts of people you know tapping a buddy who people you know tapping a buddy who people you know tapping a buddy who appears to be sleeping in his life vest appears to be sleeping in his life vest appears to be sleeping in his life vest on the water's surface and having you on the water's surface and having you on the water's surface and having you know by the way the Quint in Jaws know by the way the Quint in Jaws know by the way the Quint in Jaws actually talks about this too and having actually talks about this too and having actually talks about this too and having them turn over like like like you know them turn over like like like you know them turn over like like like you know Bob if you will turn Bob if you will turn Bob if you will turn over and there's nothing below the waist over and there's nothing below the waist over and there's nothing below the waist you can see the sharks below you some of

you can see the sharks below you some of you can see the sharks below you some of these sailors that Stanton talks about these sailors that Stanton talks about these sailors that Stanton talks about say that they would see some of the same say that they would see some of the same say that they would see some of the same sharks and recognize them so offered sharks and recognize them so offered sharks and recognize them so offered that they gave them names once Taylor that they gave them names once Taylor that they gave them names once Taylor gave a tiger shark of huge tiger shark gave a tiger shark of huge tiger shark gave a tiger shark of huge tiger shark the name Oscar and eventually another the name Oscar and eventually another the name Oscar and eventually another sailor took a two-inch penknife which is sailor took a two-inch penknife which is sailor took a two-inch penknife which is you know nothing and tried to stab at you know nothing and tried to stab at you know nothing and tried to stab at one of these things some of these one of these things some of these one of these things some of these sailors were on a raft where it was the sailors were on a raft where it was the sailors were on a raft where it was the raft was disintegrating over time and raft was disintegrating over time and raft was disintegrating over time and had a sort of a lattice floor if you had a sort of a lattice floor if you had a sort of a lattice floor if you will and there was a little hole will and there was a little hole will and there was a little hole developing in the floor and these big developing in the floor and these big developing in the floor and these big sharks would come up and stick their sharks would come up and stick their sharks would come up and stick their snouts right through I mean again you snouts right through I mean again you snouts right through I mean again you saw this in jars with jaws with the saw this in jars with jaws with the saw this in jars with jaws with the mechanical shark stick their nose right mechanical shark stick their nose right mechanical shark stick their nose right through and try to get a hold of through and try to get a hold of through and try to get a hold of something something something the sailors started kicking it in the the sailors started kicking it in the the sailors started kicking it in the face to me being adrift in the ocean in face to me being adrift in the ocean in face to me being adrift in the ocean in the middle of the night you know no land the middle of the night you know no land the middle of the night you know no land anywhere no ships anywhere no birds no anywhere no ships anywhere no birds no anywhere no ships anywhere no birds no planes and sharks all around hundreds of planes and sharks all around hundreds of planes and sharks all around hundreds of them to me that is the most terrifying them to me that is the most terrifying them to me that is the most terrifying situation I can think about and what I situation I can think about and what I situation I can think about and what I what I was gonna do once is I was gonna what I was gonna do once is I was gonna what I was gonna do once is I was gonna do either a book or maybe a TV series do either a book or maybe a TV series do either a book or maybe a TV series where the entire premise was based where the entire premise was based where the entire premise was based around the worst place you can be in the around the worst place you can be in the around the worst place you can be in the world you know on any given moment in world you know on any given moment in world you know on any given moment in history January 27th 1987 and Tunisia is history January 27th 1987 and Tunisia is history January 27th 1987 and Tunisia is the worst place to be in the world um the worst place to be in the world um the worst place to be in the world um you know the Battle of cannae in Italy you know the Battle of cannae in Italy you know the Battle of cannae in Italy worst place to be in war this is the worst place to be in war this is the worst place to be in war this is the worst place to be in the world to me on worst place to be in the world to me on worst place to be in the world to me on that date and maybe any date it takes a that date and maybe any date it takes a that date and maybe any date it takes a lot of the things that are the most lot of the things that are the most lot of the things that are the most nasty things I can think of packages

nasty things I can think of packages nasty things I can think of packages them together in one horrible sort of them together in one horrible sort of them together in one horrible sort of event and then puts these people in this event and then puts these people in this event and then puts these people in this psychological challenge where day after psychological challenge where day after psychological challenge where day after day they're in the water because nobody day they're in the water because nobody day they're in the water because nobody knows they're gone this mission so knows they're gone this mission so knows they're gone this mission so secret delivering the components for the secret delivering the components for the secret delivering the components for the bomb meant that they were it wasn't like bomb meant that they were it wasn't like bomb meant that they were it wasn't like they were totally off the radar when you they were totally off the radar when you they were totally off the radar when you read the reports it was quite a scandal read the reports it was quite a scandal read the reports it was quite a scandal after the war because the indianapolis after the war because the indianapolis after the war because the indianapolis going down will be the worst disaster in going down will be the worst disaster in going down will be the worst disaster in US navy history but there were several US navy history but there were several US navy history but there were several sort of let's just call them variables sort of let's just call them variables sort of let's just call them variables maybe i mean first of all war okay maybe i mean first of all war okay maybe i mean first of all war okay variable number one but these ships variable number one but these ships variable number one but these ships should have been noticed when they were should have been noticed when they were should have been noticed when they were missing missing missing number of little things that happened number of little things that happened number of little things that happened and you can see this I mean the Pearl and you can see this I mean the Pearl and you can see this I mean the Pearl Harbor attacks another one where a Harbor attacks another one where a Harbor attacks another one where a little variable here if that doesn't little variable here if that doesn't little variable here if that doesn't happen this doesn't happen um I don't happen this doesn't happen um I don't happen this doesn't happen um I don't want to call it okay but you can kind of want to call it okay but you can kind of want to call it okay but you can kind of see how it happened and yet what it see how it happened and yet what it see how it happened and yet what it meant was instead of being rescued meant was instead of being rescued meant was instead of being rescued within a reasonable period of time these within a reasonable period of time these within a reasonable period of time these people are gonna be out there for day people are gonna be out there for day people are gonna be out there for day after day after day they have no water after day after day they have no water after day after day they have no water and eventually think about the and eventually think about the and eventually think about the psychological torture that comes from psychological torture that comes from psychological torture that comes from being absolutely able to see almost being absolutely able to see almost being absolutely able to see almost nothing but water but you will go crazy nothing but water but you will go crazy nothing but water but you will go crazy and then die if you start drinking the and then die if you start drinking the and then die if you start drinking the water around you right again it's water around you right again it's water around you right again it's another kind of disaster movie it's another kind of disaster movie it's another kind of disaster movie it's being stuck in the desert with water all being stuck in the desert with water all being stuck in the desert with water all around you but it's essentially around you but it's essentially around you but it's essentially poisonous right and there will come a poisonous right and there will come a poisonous right and there will come a time in the story where and it's funny time in the story where and it's funny time in the story where and it's funny because it would like spread from one because it would like spread from one because it would like spread from one man to another where people will just man to another where people will just man to another where people will just start drinking the salt water and start drinking the salt water and start drinking the salt water and knowingly die or be soaked raised from

knowingly die or be soaked raised from knowingly die or be soaked raised from thirst that they don't care one thing I thirst that they don't care one thing I thirst that they don't care one thing I found particularly fascinating about the found particularly fascinating about the found particularly fascinating about the shark aspect that Stanton explained in shark aspect that Stanton explained in shark aspect that Stanton explained in his book was the idea that most of these his book was the idea that most of these his book was the idea that most of these sailors probably did not have a very sailors probably did not have a very sailors probably did not have a very clear conception of sharks the way we do clear conception of sharks the way we do clear conception of sharks the way we do I mean jaws was the big you know sort of I mean jaws was the big you know sort of I mean jaws was the big you know sort of before and after a moment on that but before and after a moment on that but before and after a moment on that but we've been fascinated with sharks ever we've been fascinated with sharks ever we've been fascinated with sharks ever since he points out that it was kind of since he points out that it was kind of since he points out that it was kind of the stuff of legends back in this era the stuff of legends back in this era the stuff of legends back in this era and the idea of confronting one had not and the idea of confronting one had not and the idea of confronting one had not been really talked about very often and been really talked about very often and been really talked about very often and what's more he says Stanton says that what's more he says Stanton says that what's more he says Stanton says that the Navy kind of downplayed the danger the Navy kind of downplayed the danger the Navy kind of downplayed the danger cuz it wasn't good for morale to talk cuz it wasn't good for morale to talk cuz it wasn't good for morale to talk about yeah you could run into an 18-foot about yeah you could run into an 18-foot about yeah you could run into an 18-foot tiger shark out there and they'll eat tiger shark out there and they'll eat tiger shark out there and they'll eat anything Stanton says that initially the anything Stanton says that initially the anything Stanton says that initially the Sharks probably mostly went after the Sharks probably mostly went after the Sharks probably mostly went after the cadavers in the water and that's why the cadavers in the water and that's why the cadavers in the water and that's why the real big attacks did not start for a real big attacks did not start for a real big attacks did not start for a while but that once they ran out of while but that once they ran out of while but that once they ran out of those to go after that they started those to go after that they started those to go after that they started going after lone floaters in the water going after lone floaters in the water going after lone floaters in the water as opposed to the ones that had all as opposed to the ones that had all as opposed to the ones that had all gathered into groups and then they would gathered into groups and then they would gathered into groups and then they would go after the ones at the outside of you go after the ones at the outside of you go after the ones at the outside of you know the circle of people floating in know the circle of people floating in know the circle of people floating in the water Stanton talks about you know the Stanton talks about you know the incident that we just mentioned the a incident that we just mentioned the a incident that we just mentioned the a sailor being cut in half below the waist sailor being cut in half below the waist sailor being cut in half below the waist and then says that there was a sailor and then says that there was a sailor and then says that there was a sailor who was on the verge of drowning that who was on the verge of drowning that who was on the verge of drowning that was calling for help and so well let me was calling for help and so well let me was calling for help and so well let me let stand and pick up the story he let stand and pick up the story he let stand and pick up the story he writes quote at one point Bob Gauss swam

writes quote at one point Bob Gauss swam writes quote at one point Bob Gauss swam away from the group to aid an exhausted away from the group to aid an exhausted away from the group to aid an exhausted sailor who was on the verge of drowning sailor who was on the verge of drowning sailor who was on the verge of drowning the boy had clearly gone out of his head the boy had clearly gone out of his head the boy had clearly gone out of his head at the sight of the fish meaning the at the sight of the fish meaning the at the sight of the fish meaning the Sharks circling below him he was waving Sharks circling below him he was waving Sharks circling below him he was waving his hands and calling for help his hands and calling for help his hands and calling for help as goz paddled out he was intercepted as goz paddled out he was intercepted as goz paddled out he was intercepted immediately by a large dorsal fin immediately by a large dorsal fin immediately by a large dorsal fin knifing towards him so he swam as fast knifing towards him so he swam as fast knifing towards him so he swam as fast as he could back to the group the boy in as he could back to the group the boy in as he could back to the group the boy in distress soon disappeared as the shark distress soon disappeared as the shark distress soon disappeared as the shark attacks multiplied Stanton writes the attacks multiplied Stanton writes the attacks multiplied Stanton writes the once optimistic boys were filled with a once optimistic boys were filled with a once optimistic boys were filled with a sense of helplessness Jack Casady came sense of helplessness Jack Casady came sense of helplessness Jack Casady came face to face with a tiger shark that had face to face with a tiger shark that had face to face with a tiger shark that had been bothering him for so long that he been bothering him for so long that he been bothering him for so long that he had even given it a name he called the had even given it a name he called the had even given it a name he called the beast Oscar he swung at it with a beast Oscar he swung at it with a beast Oscar he swung at it with a homemade knife and buried the blade an homemade knife and buried the blade an homemade knife and buried the blade an inch deep in the fish's tough snout but inch deep in the fish's tough snout but inch deep in the fish's tough snout but Oscar swam away as if only annoyed Oscar swam away as if only annoyed Oscar swam away as if only annoyed Cassidy was furious he wanted to kill Cassidy was furious he wanted to kill Cassidy was furious he wanted to kill the shark but he was relieved to be left the shark but he was relieved to be left the shark but he was relieved to be left alone as the water flashed with twisting alone as the water flashed with twisting alone as the water flashed with twisting tails and dorsal fins the boys resolved tails and dorsal fins the boys resolved tails and dorsal fins the boys resolved to stay calm to stay calm to stay calm clamping their hands over their ears clamping their hands over their ears clamping their hands over their ears against the erupting screams but this against the erupting screams but this against the erupting screams but this resolve vanished when one of the boys resolve vanished when one of the boys resolve vanished when one of the boys was dragged through the water like a was dragged through the water like a was dragged through the water like a fisherman's bobber tugged by a big fisherman's bobber tugged by a big fisherman's bobber tugged by a big catfish the victim clenched in the catfish the victim clenched in the catfish the victim clenched in the uplifted jaws of a shark was pushed at uplifted jaws of a shark was pushed at uplifted jaws of a shark was pushed at waist level through the surf screaming waist level through the surf screaming waist level through the surf screaming others disappeared quietly without a others disappeared quietly without a others disappeared quietly without a trace their life vests shooting back up trace their life vests shooting back up trace their life vests shooting back up to the surface to the surface to the surface empty the straps in shreds as the empty the straps in shreds as the empty the straps in shreds as the excited sharks grew more agitated the excited sharks grew more agitated the excited sharks grew more agitated the attacks intensified in ferocity and attacks intensified in ferocity and attacks intensified in ferocity and quote there are many people who consider

quote there are many people who consider quote there are many people who consider the shark attacks over several days the shark attacks over several days the shark attacks over several days against the Indianapolis survivors to be against the Indianapolis survivors to be against the Indianapolis survivors to be the worst incident of mass shark attacks the worst incident of mass shark attacks the worst incident of mass shark attacks in history I would suggest that that's a in history I would suggest that that's a in history I would suggest that that's a hard one to know think of how many ships hard one to know think of how many ships hard one to know think of how many ships have perished over the ages and well have perished over the ages and well have perished over the ages and well sharks are not a new phenomenon right sharks are not a new phenomenon right sharks are not a new phenomenon right nonetheless we have nonetheless we have nonetheless we have very few accounts like that and when you very few accounts like that and when you very few accounts like that and when you add up all the various elements working add up all the various elements working add up all the various elements working on these people you just imagine that no on these people you just imagine that no on these people you just imagine that no one could last long in that environment one could last long in that environment one could last long in that environment without losing their mind and that's without losing their mind and that's without losing their mind and that's what begins to happen and we've seen what begins to happen and we've seen what begins to happen and we've seen this before right we did a we mentioned this before right we did a we mentioned this before right we did a we mentioned one guy when we were doing blueprint for one guy when we were doing blueprint for one guy when we were doing blueprint for Armageddon in the first world war that Armageddon in the first world war that Armageddon in the first world war that you know it's funny what sort of images you know it's funny what sort of images you know it's funny what sort of images make it into the history books and what make it into the history books and what make it into the history books and what sort of memories right so you're in the sort of memories right so you're in the sort of memories right so you're in the first world war and you're at first world war and you're at first world war and you're at Passchendaele and you see some guy stuck Passchendaele and you see some guy stuck Passchendaele and you see some guy stuck in the mud and with all of the things in the mud and with all of the things in the mud and with all of the things available to modern society at that available to modern society at that available to modern society at that point in time they can't get him out and point in time they can't get him out and point in time they can't get him out and he's begging people to help him and no he's begging people to help him and no he's begging people to help him and no one can do anything so then they come one can do anything so then they come one can do anything so then they come back I forgot how many days later it was back I forgot how many days later it was back I forgot how many days later it was it might have only been one day but the it might have only been one day but the it might have only been one day but the guy whose memory this was says the guy guy whose memory this was says the guy guy whose memory this was says the guy was still in the mud but he'd sunk all was still in the mud but he'd sunk all was still in the mud but he'd sunk all the way up to his head and he was insane the way up to his head and he was insane the way up to his head and he was insane begging people to shoot him we all have begging people to shoot him we all have begging people to shoot him we all have a limit right so it should not surprise a limit right so it should not surprise a limit right so it should not surprise any of us when some of these people

any of us when some of these people any of us when some of these people start losing their minds in the water start losing their minds in the water start losing their minds in the water under these conditions and you know you under these conditions and you know you under these conditions and you know you should also point out something that's should also point out something that's should also point out something that's not always apparent when you're young not always apparent when you're young not always apparent when you're young but as a 52 year old person now is but as a 52 year old person now is but as a 52 year old person now is really apparent to me is how young most really apparent to me is how young most really apparent to me is how young most of these people in this story are in my of these people in this story are in my of these people in this story are in my mind they're kids mind they're kids mind they're kids the captain's an adult and some of these the captain's an adult and some of these the captain's an adult and some of these officers are you know old enough to have officers are you know old enough to have officers are you know old enough to have young families and whatnot although young families and whatnot although young families and whatnot although these people are having families at 18 these people are having families at 18 these people are having families at 18 years old back then a lot of them so a years old back then a lot of them so a years old back then a lot of them so a lot of the more parents but I mean when lot of the more parents but I mean when lot of the more parents but I mean when you read the biographies of these people you read the biographies of these people you read the biographies of these people I mean you know they're kids to me and I mean you know they're kids to me and I mean you know they're kids to me and you're 18 19 20 21 and you're having to you're 18 19 20 21 and you're having to you're 18 19 20 21 and you're having to deal with this I don't agree with von deal with this I don't agree with von deal with this I don't agree with von Moltke his line about you know that we Moltke his line about you know that we Moltke his line about you know that we need war cuz it preserves these human need war cuz it preserves these human need war cuz it preserves these human qualities but you sure see them on qualities but you sure see them on qualities but you sure see them on display here don't you you wish you'd display here don't you you wish you'd display here don't you you wish you'd never have to see them on display again never have to see them on display again never have to see them on display again but you can't help but marvel that but you can't help but marvel that but you can't help but marvel that people can you know get through this and people can you know get through this and people can you know get through this and many of them don't I mean stanton tells many of them don't I mean stanton tells many of them don't I mean stanton tells story after story about people that story after story about people that story after story about people that consciously decide to give up that it's consciously decide to give up that it's consciously decide to give up that it's either I mean even talking about it with either I mean even talking about it with either I mean even talking about it with other people who are stuck in the water other people who are stuck in the water other people who are stuck in the water that it's easy to do all you have to do that it's easy to do all you have to do that it's easy to do all you have to do he says his swim away from the group and he says his swim away from the group and he says his swim away from the group and you will get hit by a shark within a you will get hit by a shark within a you will get hit by a shark within a hundred yards people will drink the hundred yards people will drink the hundred yards people will drink the seawater knowing it will kill them Doug seawater knowing it will kill them Doug seawater knowing it will kill them Doug Stanton writes quote those with broken Stanton writes quote those with broken Stanton writes quote those with broken arms and legs and backs had gone into arms and legs and backs had gone into arms and legs and backs had gone into shock and died others had succumbed to shock and died others had succumbed to shock and died others had succumbed to massive bleeding or head wounds that massive bleeding or head wounds that massive bleeding or head wounds that suspended them in another world still suspended them in another world still suspended them in another world still others simply drowned because they were

others simply drowned because they were others simply drowned because they were too exhausted to keep swimming too exhausted to keep swimming too exhausted to keep swimming they'd been afloat now without food they'd been afloat now without food they'd been afloat now without food water shelter or sleep for over forty water shelter or sleep for over forty water shelter or sleep for over forty hours of the eleven hundred and ninety hours of the eleven hundred and ninety hours of the eleven hundred and ninety six crew members who'd set sail from six crew members who'd set sail from six crew members who'd set sail from Guam three days earlier probably no more Guam three days earlier probably no more Guam three days earlier probably no more than 600 were still alive in the than 600 were still alive in the than 600 were still alive in the previous 24 hours alone at least 200 had previous 24 hours alone at least 200 had previous 24 hours alone at least 200 had likely slipped beneath the waves or been likely slipped beneath the waves or been likely slipped beneath the waves or been victims of shark attack since the victims of shark attack since the victims of shark attack since the sinking he writes each boy had been sinking he writes each boy had been sinking he writes each boy had been floating through the hours asking floating through the hours asking floating through the hours asking himself the same hard question will I himself the same hard question will I himself the same hard question will I live or do I quit and as Tuesday live or do I quit and as Tuesday live or do I quit and as Tuesday unfolded some of the starved bleeding unfolded some of the starved bleeding unfolded some of the starved bleeding and delirious men began to form their and delirious men began to form their and delirious men began to form their answers for those who gave up death now answers for those who gave up death now answers for those who gave up death now seemed a matter of destiny they started seemed a matter of destiny they started seemed a matter of destiny they started committing suicide those still lucid committing suicide those still lucid committing suicide those still lucid enough looked on in disbelief he writes enough looked on in disbelief he writes enough looked on in disbelief he writes as their former shipmates calmly untied as their former shipmates calmly untied as their former shipmates calmly untied their life vests took a single stroke their life vests took a single stroke their life vests took a single stroke forward and sank without a word forward and sank without a word forward and sank without a word others suddenly turn from the group and others suddenly turn from the group and others suddenly turn from the group and started swimming waiting for a shark to started swimming waiting for a shark to started swimming waiting for a shark to hit and then looked up in terrified hit and then looked up in terrified hit and then looked up in terrified satisfaction when it did others simply satisfaction when it did others simply satisfaction when it did others simply fell face forward and refused to rise a fell face forward and refused to rise a fell face forward and refused to rise a boy would swim over to his buddy lift boy would swim over to his buddy lift boy would swim over to his buddy lift his head by the hair from the water and his head by the hair from the water and his head by the hair from the water and begin screaming for him to come to his begin screaming for him to come to his begin screaming for him to come to his senses often he refused and continued to senses often he refused and continued to senses often he refused and continued to quietly drown himself end quote and we quietly drown himself end quote and we quietly drown himself end quote and we should point out that there are people should point out that there are people should point out that there are people in every Navy in the second world war in every Navy in the second world war in every Navy in the second world war that saw actual combat that had that saw actual combat that had that saw actual combat that had incidents like that and there were quite incidents like that and there were quite incidents like that and there were quite a few people in the Merchant Marine and a few people in the Merchant Marine and a few people in the Merchant Marine and the various civilian versions that you the various civilian versions that you the various civilian versions that you know kept the supplies you know coming

know kept the supplies you know coming know kept the supplies you know coming across the water and handling the across the water and handling the across the water and handling the logistics that would have their ships logistics that would have their ships logistics that would have their ships torpedoed who would go through similar torpedoed who would go through similar torpedoed who would go through similar things there's something perversely things there's something perversely things there's something perversely nasty about having the water be warm nasty about having the water be warm nasty about having the water be warm enough to keep you alive for days so enough to keep you alive for days so enough to keep you alive for days so giving you an opportunity to be rescued giving you an opportunity to be rescued giving you an opportunity to be rescued you never would have had you never would have had you never would have had the North Atlantic for example where the North Atlantic for example where the North Atlantic for example where you'd be dead in an hour - from the you'd be dead in an hour - from the you'd be dead in an hour - from the hypothermia but it also gives you time hypothermia but it also gives you time hypothermia but it also gives you time to go through what Stanton just to go through what Stanton just to go through what Stanton just described as I said multiple disaster described as I said multiple disaster described as I said multiple disaster movies all wrapped into one now as the hours drag on Stanton says now as the hours drag on Stanton says that the delirium starts to set in and that the delirium starts to set in and that the delirium starts to set in and again the Indianapolis survivors are again the Indianapolis survivors are again the Indianapolis survivors are going through all of these movie tropes going through all of these movie tropes going through all of these movie tropes that forever the movies will wrench that forever the movies will wrench that forever the movies will wrench drama and emotion and you know your drama and emotion and you know your drama and emotion and you know your sense of feeling for the people the fake sense of feeling for the people the fake sense of feeling for the people the fake people in these movies or stories and people in these movies or stories and people in these movies or stories and the Indianapolis people are going the Indianapolis people are going the Indianapolis people are going through it for real their ship went down through it for real their ship went down through it for real their ship went down remember it like 12:15 a.m. first thing remember it like 12:15 a.m. first thing remember it like 12:15 a.m. first thing in the morning but in the middle of the in the morning but in the middle of the in the morning but in the middle of the night on Monday night on Monday night on Monday Stanton writes that by Wednesday the men Stanton writes that by Wednesday the men Stanton writes that by Wednesday the men start attacking one another they think start attacking one another they think start attacking one another they think they're seeing enemies and at one point they're seeing enemies and at one point they're seeing enemies and at one point he writes in and he says in within 10 he writes in and he says in within 10 he writes in and he says in within 10 minutes an estimated 50 boys were killed minutes an estimated 50 boys were killed minutes an estimated 50 boys were killed by their compatriots when everybody by their compatriots when everybody by their compatriots when everybody snapped at once see we have another

snapped at once see we have another snapped at once see we have another movie here - it's like the shipwreck movie here - it's like the shipwreck movie here - it's like the shipwreck movie so it's another kind of disaster movie so it's another kind of disaster movie so it's another kind of disaster film you know people are stuck in rafts film you know people are stuck in rafts film you know people are stuck in rafts and dealing with sharks and going crazy and dealing with sharks and going crazy and dealing with sharks and going crazy and not having I mean it's as though we and not having I mean it's as though we and not having I mean it's as though we tried to figure out how many things you tried to figure out how many things you tried to figure out how many things you could hit the same people with before could hit the same people with before could hit the same people with before they broke the higher human qualities they broke the higher human qualities they broke the higher human qualities though are visible throughout I mean the though are visible throughout I mean the though are visible throughout I mean the part that got me was as as people start part that got me was as as people start part that got me was as as people start dying more and more they need their life dying more and more they need their life dying more and more they need their life vests because the life vests are failing vests because the life vests are failing vests because the life vests are failing they're not meant to be in the water they're not meant to be in the water they're not meant to be in the water that long so you have these stories that long so you have these stories that long so you have these stories about people that will you know go over about people that will you know go over about people that will you know go over make sure someone that they think is make sure someone that they think is make sure someone that they think is dead has actually expired and then take dead has actually expired and then take dead has actually expired and then take their life vest off but the one guy that their life vest off but the one guy that their life vest off but the one guy that Stanton was quoting in the story he just Stanton was quoting in the story he just Stanton was quoting in the story he just he would not let them go without some he would not let them go without some he would not let them go without some sort of a prayer he'd hold them close sort of a prayer he'd hold them close sort of a prayer he'd hold them close which you know these guys are exhausted which you know these guys are exhausted which you know these guys are exhausted by this time so anything more than the by this time so anything more than the by this time so anything more than the most minimum effort is excruciating and most minimum effort is excruciating and most minimum effort is excruciating and yet he was going to see that each one of yet he was going to see that each one of yet he was going to see that each one of these people had a prayer set over them these people had a prayer set over them these people had a prayer set over them before he let them go and you know to be before he let them go and you know to be before he let them go and you know to be eaten by the shark eaten by the shark eaten by the shark those are the little touches in a story those are the little touches in a story those are the little touches in a story like this that break your heart because like this that break your heart because like this that break your heart because those are the I mean that's what those are the I mean that's what those are the I mean that's what separates us from just being some separates us from just being some separates us from just being some mindless thing that's torn apart by the mindless thing that's torn apart by the mindless thing that's torn apart by the Sharks I mean the thinking that goes Sharks I mean the thinking that goes Sharks I mean the thinking that goes into all of the I mean that man survived into all of the I mean that man survived into all of the I mean that man survived the one that said the prayers over the the one that said the prayers over the the one that said the prayers over the people he had to unstrap from the life people he had to unstrap from the life people he had to unstrap from the life vests what are you thinking about at vests what are you thinking about at vests what are you thinking about at night the rest of your life they will night the rest of your life they will night the rest of your life they will eventually be rescued by a pilot that

eventually be rescued by a pilot that eventually be rescued by a pilot that they're not looking for anybody the they're not looking for anybody the they're not looking for anybody the pilot just kind of sees these people in pilot just kind of sees these people in pilot just kind of sees these people in the water and he swoops down low and he the water and he swoops down low and he the water and he swoops down low and he can see the Sharks attacking them can see the Sharks attacking them can see the Sharks attacking them Stanton writes of a guy named lieutenant Stanton writes of a guy named lieutenant Stanton writes of a guy named lieutenant Adrian Marx who's um you know one of the Adrian Marx who's um you know one of the Adrian Marx who's um you know one of the early people on the scene once they early people on the scene once they early people on the scene once they figure out they've got people in the figure out they've got people in the figure out they've got people in the water and it's interesting because of water and it's interesting because of water and it's interesting because of the secrecy involving this they don't the secrecy involving this they don't the secrecy involving this they don't know who these people are it's not like know who these people are it's not like know who these people are it's not like they're going we found the Indianapolis they're going we found the Indianapolis they're going we found the Indianapolis crew one of the first questions they're crew one of the first questions they're crew one of the first questions they're gonna ask when they pick the first gonna ask when they pick the first gonna ask when they pick the first person up is who the hell are you and person up is who the hell are you and person up is who the hell are you and where you're from where you're from where you're from so Stanton writes quote lieutenant so Stanton writes quote lieutenant so Stanton writes quote lieutenant Adrian Marx reached the scene of the Adrian Marx reached the scene of the Adrian Marx reached the scene of the survivors at 3:20 p.m. and what he found survivors at 3:20 p.m. and what he found survivors at 3:20 p.m. and what he found astounded him lieutenant Adam berry astounded him lieutenant Adam berry astounded him lieutenant Adam berry inform marks that there were a great inform marks that there were a great inform marks that there were a great many people scattered over a wide area many people scattered over a wide area many people scattered over a wide area he said not to drop any life-saving he said not to drop any life-saving he said not to drop any life-saving equipment until he made a full tour equipment until he made a full tour equipment until he made a full tour which marks quickly did both pilots then which marks quickly did both pilots then which marks quickly did both pilots then decided to steer away from the people decided to steer away from the people decided to steer away from the people clinging to the rafts and to concentrate clinging to the rafts and to concentrate clinging to the rafts and to concentrate on those held up solely by vests 30 on those held up solely by vests 30 on those held up solely by vests 30 minutes after he arrived marks began minutes after he arrived marks began minutes after he arrived marks began bombing the boys with his provisions bombing the boys with his provisions bombing the boys with his provisions about the same time the Destroyers Ralph about the same time the Destroyers Ralph about the same time the Destroyers Ralph Talbot and Madison received orders to Talbot and Madison received orders to Talbot and Madison received orders to cut short their patrols near the island cut short their patrols near the island cut short their patrols near the island of a Lethe and head directly to the of a Lethe and head directly to the of a Lethe and head directly to the rescue site their eta 12 hours from the rescue site their eta 12 hours from the rescue site their eta 12 hours from the present sometime early Friday morning present sometime early Friday morning present sometime early Friday morning marks knew the situation was dire from marks knew the situation was dire from marks knew the situation was dire from his recon altitude of a mere 25 feet he his recon altitude of a mere 25 feet he his recon altitude of a mere 25 feet he had a clear view of the deep green sea had a clear view of the deep green sea had a clear view of the deep green sea in the hundreds of sharks circling the in the hundreds of sharks circling the in the hundreds of sharks circling the men night which he knew was the Sharks men night which he knew was the Sharks men night which he knew was the Sharks normal feeding period was approaching normal feeding period was approaching normal feeding period was approaching one of Marx's crewmen watched as a shark

one of Marx's crewmen watched as a shark one of Marx's crewmen watched as a shark attacked one of the men and dragged him attacked one of the men and dragged him attacked one of the men and dragged him under as Marx himself witnessed more under as Marx himself witnessed more under as Marx himself witnessed more attacks his anxiety grew it looked to attacks his anxiety grew it looked to attacks his anxiety grew it looked to him as if the survivors were so weak him as if the survivors were so weak him as if the survivors were so weak they couldn't even begin they couldn't even begin they couldn't even begin to fight back end quote and then there's to fight back end quote and then there's to fight back end quote and then there's a footnote Stanton put in that says the a footnote Stanton put in that says the a footnote Stanton put in that says the Sharks had in fact remained a constant Sharks had in fact remained a constant Sharks had in fact remained a constant presence throughout the men's ordeal presence throughout the men's ordeal presence throughout the men's ordeal even during the daylight hours even during the daylight hours even during the daylight hours not long after Gwynn who was the first not long after Gwynn who was the first not long after Gwynn who was the first pilot to find the people in the water by pilot to find the people in the water by pilot to find the people in the water by the way the way the way not long after Gwynn showed up a massive not long after Gwynn showed up a massive not long after Gwynn showed up a massive shark attack involving an estimated 30 shark attack involving an estimated 30 shark attack involving an estimated 30 fish head in about 15 minutes fish head in about 15 minutes fish head in about 15 minutes taken some 60 boys perched on a floater taken some 60 boys perched on a floater taken some 60 boys perched on a floater net end quote that doesn't begin to even net end quote that doesn't begin to even net end quote that doesn't begin to even do justice to the parts of the story do justice to the parts of the story do justice to the parts of the story that seem by comparison with crap like that seem by comparison with crap like that seem by comparison with crap like that to be nothing I mean how do you that to be nothing I mean how do you that to be nothing I mean how do you talk about no water and how that makes talk about no water and how that makes talk about no water and how that makes you feel day after day when you're you feel day after day when you're you feel day after day when you're suffering and no decent food I mean suffering and no decent food I mean suffering and no decent food I mean these no sleep the wounds I mean they these no sleep the wounds I mean they these no sleep the wounds I mean they said that one boy in one of these rafts said that one boy in one of these rafts said that one boy in one of these rafts one of the survivors couldn't help but one of the survivors couldn't help but one of the survivors couldn't help but point out was sitting there with his point out was sitting there with his point out was sitting there with his mouth wide open in such pain that he mouth wide open in such pain that he mouth wide open in such pain that he couldn't even make a noise you ever been couldn't even make a noise you ever been couldn't even make a noise you ever been in a situation with a person like that in a situation with a person like that in a situation with a person like that just one person in one situation any one just one person in one situation any one just one person in one situation any one of these things is you know again when of these things is you know again when of these things is you know again when you talk about war the first thing you you talk about war the first thing you you talk about war the first thing you think about is none of this stuff should think about is none of this stuff should think about is none of this stuff should ever happen again ever happen again ever happen again and then the next thing you think about and then the next thing you think about and then the next thing you think about is that when it does look what people is that when it does look what people is that when it does look what people can endure and look at what they do in can endure and look at what they do in can endure and look at what they do in terms of self-sacrifice for another

terms of self-sacrifice for another terms of self-sacrifice for another human being who's in a situation you human being who's in a situation you human being who's in a situation you know that's awful in a situation that know that's awful in a situation that know that's awful in a situation that you yourself might be sharing so that's you yourself might be sharing so that's you yourself might be sharing so that's when it becomes extra heroic when some when it becomes extra heroic when some when it becomes extra heroic when some of these people are doing things like of these people are doing things like of these people are doing things like giving their life vests to a guy who giving their life vests to a guy who giving their life vests to a guy who needs it more it's not like you're doing needs it more it's not like you're doing needs it more it's not like you're doing a good deed for someone you found in the a good deed for someone you found in the a good deed for someone you found in the street it's it's reducing your own street it's it's reducing your own street it's it's reducing your own chances of survival to help somebody chances of survival to help somebody chances of survival to help somebody else's chances of survival those are else's chances of survival those are else's chances of survival those are pretty amazing stories and I think the pretty amazing stories and I think the pretty amazing stories and I think the reason that we're so fascinated with reason that we're so fascinated with reason that we're so fascinated with these horrible tales is there's these horrible tales is there's these horrible tales is there's something life-affirming about the something life-affirming about the something life-affirming about the people that get through them and not people that get through them and not people that get through them and not just how they conducted themselves at just how they conducted themselves at just how they conducted themselves at the time but how it both changed them the time but how it both changed them the time but how it both changed them and how you know that the silent heroism and how you know that the silent heroism and how you know that the silent heroism of living with it afterwards and I think of living with it afterwards and I think of living with it afterwards and I think we we have more understanding of that we we have more understanding of that we we have more understanding of that now than we used to with things like now than we used to with things like now than we used to with things like PTSD but I don't think we even give it PTSD but I don't think we even give it PTSD but I don't think we even give it anywhere near the thought it deserves I anywhere near the thought it deserves I anywhere near the thought it deserves I mean we all have traumatic memories in mean we all have traumatic memories in mean we all have traumatic memories in our lives our lives our lives provides you with some by default but provides you with some by default but provides you with some by default but some people get way more than their some people get way more than their some people get way more than their share can you imagine if like plugging share can you imagine if like plugging share can you imagine if like plugging something in the back of your head like something in the back of your head like something in the back of your head like from the matrix I could upload the from the matrix I could upload the from the matrix I could upload the memories of one of these Indianapolis memories of one of these Indianapolis memories of one of these Indianapolis survivors into you're not just your survivors into you're not just your survivors into you're not just your brain but like have it fused with your brain but like have it fused with your brain but like have it fused with your emotions so you know you have the emotions so you know you have the emotions so you know you have the feelings you could have the flashbacks feelings you could have the flashbacks feelings you could have the flashbacks from an experience you never had imagine from an experience you never had imagine from an experience you never had imagine what that would do to you pretty darn what that would do to you pretty darn what that would do to you pretty darn quickly right I just gave you the quickly right I just gave you the quickly right I just gave you the memories of an Indianapolis survivor memories of an Indianapolis survivor memories of an Indianapolis survivor now imagine not being able to ever get now imagine not being able to ever get now imagine not being able to ever get them out of your head now imagine going them out of your head now imagine going them out of your head now imagine going through the original experience you know

through the original experience you know through the original experience you know my brain never wants to ever do any my brain never wants to ever do any my brain never wants to ever do any research on this personally you research on this personally you research on this personally you understand but I can't help but wonder understand but I can't help but wonder understand but I can't help but wonder if somehow the cumulative effect you if somehow the cumulative effect you if somehow the cumulative effect you know over decades of all these horrible know over decades of all these horrible know over decades of all these horrible you know memories and flashbacks and you know memories and flashbacks and you know memories and flashbacks and nightmares nightmares nightmares does that ever come close to equaling does that ever come close to equaling does that ever come close to equaling the terribleness of the experience the terribleness of the experience the terribleness of the experience itself and if it doesn't how much of it itself and if it doesn't how much of it itself and if it doesn't how much of it is like you know picking at the scab is like you know picking at the scab is like you know picking at the scab continually you know of the wound that continually you know of the wound that continually you know of the wound that changed your life forever now we may not changed your life forever now we may not changed your life forever now we may not have gone through the wound but think have gone through the wound but think have gone through the wound but think about how upset you'd be just having the about how upset you'd be just having the about how upset you'd be just having the memories all of a sudden the implanted memories all of a sudden the implanted memories all of a sudden the implanted in your head about what it was like when in your head about what it was like when in your head about what it was like when you got it mentally or emotionally you got it mentally or emotionally you got it mentally or emotionally speaking in my mind when you look at it speaking in my mind when you look at it speaking in my mind when you look at it the sinking of the Indianapolis is not the sinking of the Indianapolis is not the sinking of the Indianapolis is not really a war story if it was a war story really a war story if it was a war story really a war story if it was a war story I think maybe we would have included it I think maybe we would have included it I think maybe we would have included it in the series that we're doing on the in the series that we're doing on the in the series that we're doing on the Pacific War and the war in Asia in the Pacific War and the war in Asia in the Pacific War and the war in Asia in the Second World War right now but it's not Second World War right now but it's not Second World War right now but it's not like that in my mind it's about as like that in my mind it's about as like that in my mind it's about as connected to war as I see it as the 9/11 connected to war as I see it as the 9/11 connected to war as I see it as the 9/11 attacks were connected to terrorism they attacks were connected to terrorism they attacks were connected to terrorism they are the thing that creates you know the are the thing that creates you know the are the thing that creates you know the first domino falling and a number of first domino falling and a number of first domino falling and a number of horrible incidents but once the initial horrible incidents but once the initial horrible incidents but once the initial attacks happen you go from having a war attacks happen you go from having a war attacks happen you go from having a war movie if you'll pardon the connection movie if you'll pardon the connection movie if you'll pardon the connection again to entertainment to a disaster again to entertainment to a disaster again to entertainment to a disaster film you know like the kind I grew up film you know like the kind I grew up film you know like the kind I grew up with and as I said what is so I don't

with and as I said what is so I don't with and as I said what is so I don't know if amazing is a good word to use in know if amazing is a good word to use in know if amazing is a good word to use in such a horrific situation what is such a horrific situation what is such a horrific situation what is frightful about what the Indianapolis frightful about what the Indianapolis frightful about what the Indianapolis survivors and nonsurvivors had to go survivors and nonsurvivors had to go survivors and nonsurvivors had to go through is they don't get to just have through is they don't get to just have through is they don't get to just have one disaster film be you know their one disaster film be you know their one disaster film be you know their traumatic memory they get to walk on a traumatic memory they get to walk on a traumatic memory they get to walk on a one of these you know movies like you one of these you know movies like you one of these you know movies like you know the towering inferno and get right know the towering inferno and get right know the towering inferno and get right on on on you know the Poseidon and then they get you know the Poseidon and then they get you know the Poseidon and then they get to experience the beside an adventure to experience the beside an adventure to experience the beside an adventure it's one right after another it is as it's one right after another it is as it's one right after another it is as though you know the great gods of though you know the great gods of though you know the great gods of history we're trying to see exactly how history we're trying to see exactly how history we're trying to see exactly how much they could pile on the same group much they could pile on the same group much they could pile on the same group of human beings and since we're gonna do of human beings and since we're gonna do of human beings and since we're gonna do a study here why not have hundreds of a study here why not have hundreds of a study here why not have hundreds of people in your sample size and see how people in your sample size and see how people in your sample size and see how much they can take and what happens to much they can take and what happens to much they can take and what happens to them you know as you continue to give them you know as you continue to give them you know as you continue to give them as much material as some of the them as much material as some of the them as much material as some of the people we pity the most for going people we pity the most for going people we pity the most for going through terrible human experiences what through terrible human experiences what through terrible human experiences what several of them put together experienced several of them put together experienced several of them put together experienced that's why for me if you're talking that's why for me if you're talking that's why for me if you're talking about you know terrible places in human about you know terrible places in human about you know terrible places in human history to have found yourself in or if history to have found yourself in or if history to have found yourself in or if your time machine happens to go awry and your time machine happens to go awry and your time machine happens to go awry and you hit the button wrong and you end up you hit the button wrong and you end up you hit the button wrong and you end up in just about the worst place you could in just about the worst place you could in just about the worst place you could for me that would be anywhere from about for me that would be anywhere from about for me that would be anywhere from about July thirtieth to August 2nd 1945 a July thirtieth to August 2nd 1945 a July thirtieth to August 2nd 1945 a couple hundred miles from the nearest couple hundred miles from the nearest couple hundred miles from the nearest land in the Philippine Sea and I would land in the Philippine Sea and I would land in the Philippine Sea and I would definitely say if that happened to you definitely say if that happened to you definitely say if that happened to you you would have found yourself for that you would have found yourself for that you would have found yourself for that particular time and place in the worst particular time and place in the worst particular time and place in the worst place in the world

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