EP30 So, you say you want a revolution?

history there are two kinds of people history there are two kinds of people that listen to this um that listen to this um that listen to this um podcast one group are history fans the podcast one group are history fans the podcast one group are history fans the other group are people who are in the other group are people who are in the other group are people who are in the process of becoming history fans and so process of becoming history fans and so process of becoming history fans and so um like to talk to them for a minute um like to talk to them for a minute um like to talk to them for a minute history fans already know what I'm going history fans already know what I'm going history fans already know what I'm going to say here but it's an interesting to say here but it's an interesting to say here but it's an interesting aspect of why the asked in terms of a aspect of why the asked in terms of a aspect of why the asked in terms of a field of study should matter to us field of study should matter to us field of study should matter to us today we exist in a time period where uh today we exist in a time period where uh today we exist in a time period where uh the value of a history education for the value of a history education for the value of a history education for example among several Humanities um SL example among several Humanities um SL example among several Humanities um SL social science disciplines are sort of social science disciplines are sort of social science disciplines are sort of at a low E because a whole bunch of at a low E because a whole bunch of at a low E because a whole bunch of factors including people who come out of factors including people who come out of factors including people who come out of college with huge student loans they college with huge student loans they college with huge student loans they have to pay back is geared towards you have to pay back is geared towards you have to pay back is geared towards you know trying to maximize the investment know trying to maximize the investment know trying to maximize the investment that was your you know University that was your you know University that was your you know University education which is totally education which is totally education which is totally understandable but it causes us to sort understandable but it causes us to sort understandable but it causes us to sort of look to knee jerk at the connection of look to knee jerk at the connection of look to knee jerk at the connection between education and earning potential between education and earning potential between education and earning potential right you study computer science you get right you study computer science you get right you study computer science you get out you have a job as opposed to you out you have a job as opposed to you out you have a job as opposed to you become a more formidable person uh by become a more formidable person uh by become a more formidable person uh by immersing yourself in the humanities immersing yourself in the humanities immersing yourself in the humanities which helps you in a whole bunch of ways which helps you in a whole bunch of ways which helps you in a whole bunch of ways as life requires you to adapt over and as life requires you to adapt over and as life requires you to adapt over and over again um I understand people over again um I understand people over again um I understand people devalue it and maybe those subjects are devalue it and maybe those subjects are devalue it and maybe those subjects are not the same as they used used to be but not the same as they used used to be but not the same as they used used to be but there was always a practical value to there was always a practical value to there was always a practical value to learning about things like history learning about things like history learning about things like history although not always in the way although not always in the way although not always in the way non-history fans assume again history

non-history fans assume again history non-history fans assume again history fans already know this let me let me use fans already know this let me let me use fans already know this let me let me use my favorite example you'll often hear my favorite example you'll often hear my favorite example you'll often hear usually when we're talking about some usually when we're talking about some usually when we're talking about some military uh Affair that might involve military uh Affair that might involve military uh Affair that might involve um you know combating a dictator or um you know combating a dictator or um you know combating a dictator or something you'll hear the 1938 Munich something you'll hear the 1938 Munich something you'll hear the 1938 Munich appeasement argument brought into Play appeasement argument brought into Play appeasement argument brought into Play You'll often see this some will say we You'll often see this some will say we You'll often see this some will say we learned in 1938 that you can't appease learned in 1938 that you can't appease learned in 1938 that you can't appease dictators cuz we appeased Hitler and dictators cuz we appeased Hitler and dictators cuz we appeased Hitler and look what look what look what happened this is a standard non-history happened this is a standard non-history happened this is a standard non-history fan understanding of cause and effect fan understanding of cause and effect fan understanding of cause and effect where they look and say Well it happened where they look and say Well it happened where they look and say Well it happened this way once therefore it'll happen this way once therefore it'll happen this way once therefore it'll happen this way again ignoring what history this way again ignoring what history this way again ignoring what history fans obviously already understand that fans obviously already understand that fans obviously already understand that there are bazillion variables and all there are bazillion variables and all there are bazillion variables and all those variables make the situation you those variables make the situation you those variables make the situation you know that you're using that 1938 aasan know that you're using that 1938 aasan know that you're using that 1938 aasan example to you know make an argument example to you know make an argument example to you know make an argument point in that the two situations are not point in that the two situations are not point in that the two situations are not comparable first of all dictators don't comparable first of all dictators don't comparable first of all dictators don't always act the same way right Hitler is always act the same way right Hitler is always act the same way right Hitler is a human being he acts a certain way a human being he acts a certain way a human being he acts a certain way doesn't mean Saddam Hussein is going to doesn't mean Saddam Hussein is going to doesn't mean Saddam Hussein is going to act like Hitler automatically I mean act like Hitler automatically I mean act like Hitler automatically I mean there is no there is no there is no automatic you know way you can just automatic you know way you can just automatic you know way you can just predicted well Hitler would have done predicted well Hitler would have done predicted well Hitler would have done this therefore saddam's going to do it this therefore saddam's going to do it this therefore saddam's going to do it too it just it doesn't work that way too it just it doesn't work that way too it just it doesn't work that way that's a VAR and then that's one of that's a VAR and then that's one of that's a VAR and then that's one of millions millions millions right it's in the interest sometimes right it's in the interest sometimes right it's in the interest sometimes though of people to have you believe though of people to have you believe though of people to have you believe history works that way journalist head history works that way journalist head history works that way journalist head couo once said history is a tool used by couo once said history is a tool used by couo once said history is a tool used by politicians to justify their intentions politicians to justify their intentions politicians to justify their intentions and of course it only works if the and of course it only works if the and of course it only works if the audience on the receiving end of that

audience on the receiving end of that audience on the receiving end of that kind of a discussion also doesn't really kind of a discussion also doesn't really kind of a discussion also doesn't really understand all the variables and the way understand all the variables and the way understand all the variables and the way history works not enough history fans in history works not enough history fans in history works not enough history fans in the electorate I'm comfortable the electorate I'm comfortable the electorate I'm comfortable saying so that's how history doesn't saying so that's how history doesn't saying so that's how history doesn't teach lessons but so many people think teach lessons but so many people think teach lessons but so many people think that it does I mean there's a great line that it does I mean there's a great line that it does I mean there's a great line that's famous um from the philosopher that's famous um from the philosopher that's famous um from the philosopher George santiana who said those who George santiana who said those who George santiana who said those who cannot remember the past are condemned cannot remember the past are condemned cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it implying that you have to to repeat it implying that you have to to repeat it implying that you have to learn these lessons um like don't learn these lessons um like don't learn these lessons um like don't appease Hitler in 1938 or you know appease Hitler in 1938 or you know appease Hitler in 1938 or you know you'll have to appease uh someone all you'll have to appease uh someone all you'll have to appease uh someone all over again and then you'll have a third over again and then you'll have a third over again and then you'll have a third world war in other words you know learn world war in other words you know learn world war in other words you know learn from the past but that's not the quote from the past but that's not the quote from the past but that's not the quote if you look it up the actual quote is if you look it up the actual quote is if you look it up the actual quote is about about about tension of memory societies building tension of memory societies building tension of memory societies building upon ideas that came before allowing upon ideas that came before allowing upon ideas that came before allowing them to progress as they build idea upon them to progress as they build idea upon them to progress as they build idea upon idea here's the whole quote progress far idea here's the whole quote progress far idea here's the whole quote progress far from consisting in change depends on from consisting in change depends on from consisting in change depends on retentiveness when change is absolute retentiveness when change is absolute retentiveness when change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no there remains no being to improve and no there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible direction is set for possible direction is set for possible Improvement and when experience is not Improvement and when experience is not Improvement and when experience is not retained as among Savages infancy is retained as among Savages infancy is retained as among Savages infancy is Perpetual those who cannot remember Perpetual those who cannot remember Perpetual those who cannot remember remember the past are condemned to remember the past are condemned to remember the past are condemned to repeat it end quote now never mind that repeat it end quote now never mind that repeat it end quote now never mind that the the the 1905 1905 1905 um writing there uh didn't acknowledge

um writing there uh didn't acknowledge um writing there uh didn't acknowledge that so-called Savages also keep a that so-called Savages also keep a that so-called Savages also keep a remembrance of what came before um remembrance of what came before um remembrance of what came before um technologically or oral storytelling technologically or oral storytelling technologically or oral storytelling wise but nonetheless that aside you can wise but nonetheless that aside you can wise but nonetheless that aside you can see that the quote actually doesn't see that the quote actually doesn't see that the quote actually doesn't refer to the idea of how it's commonly refer to the idea of how it's commonly refer to the idea of how it's commonly used right this idea that there are used right this idea that there are used right this idea that there are these Les you have to learn but if there these Les you have to learn but if there these Les you have to learn but if there are no lessons that have to be learned are no lessons that have to be learned are no lessons that have to be learned why would you study why would you study why would you study history sometimes you'll hear that and history sometimes you'll hear that and history sometimes you'll hear that and sometimes you'll hear it even amongst sometimes you'll hear it even amongst sometimes you'll hear it even amongst academics where they'll say what's academics where they'll say what's academics where they'll say what's what's the Practical value of this what what's the Practical value of this what what's the Practical value of this what are you going to do I mean you know if are you going to do I mean you know if are you going to do I mean you know if these are just a bunch of stories if these are just a bunch of stories if these are just a bunch of stories if there's no practical value to this right there's no practical value to this right there's no practical value to this right all these wonderful stories in the past all these wonderful stories in the past all these wonderful stories in the past that's ignoring though the things that that's ignoring though the things that that's ignoring though the things that history really does teach us I mean put history really does teach us I mean put history really does teach us I mean put aside the big military questions like aside the big military questions like aside the big military questions like history teaches us uh you know don't get history teaches us uh you know don't get history teaches us uh you know don't get involved in a land war in Asia history involved in a land war in Asia history involved in a land war in Asia history teaches us don't invade Russia in the teaches us don't invade Russia in the teaches us don't invade Russia in the winter I mean you know those are I would winter I mean you know those are I would winter I mean you know those are I would say those are pretty good lessons and say those are pretty good lessons and say those are pretty good lessons and history taught them but they're not history taught them but they're not history taught them but they're not trying to predict the way an individual trying to predict the way an individual trying to predict the way an individual dictator might act in Czechoslovakia dictator might act in Czechoslovakia dictator might act in Czechoslovakia 1938 fact Sim situation right it's a 1938 fact Sim situation right it's a 1938 fact Sim situation right it's a little little little different but the things history different but the things history different but the things history reliably teaches us is what can reliably teaches us is what can reliably teaches us is what can happen right because it's happened happen right because it's happened happen right because it's happened before and I always say there's only two before and I always say there's only two before and I always say there's only two ways things can go they can go the way ways things can go they can go the way ways things can go they can go the way they have in the past or they can go in they have in the past or they can go in they have in the past or they can go in a different direction either one of a different direction either one of a different direction either one of those is those is those is fascinating most of the time it goes the

fascinating most of the time it goes the fascinating most of the time it goes the way it's always gone doesn't mean it has way it's always gone doesn't mean it has way it's always gone doesn't mean it has to but most of the time it does and then to but most of the time it does and then to but most of the time it does and then you can look at situations and go well you can look at situations and go well you can look at situations and go well look at how bad it got in this situation look at how bad it got in this situation look at how bad it got in this situation when it went this way that's something when it went this way that's something when it went this way that's something to learn from history that's putting to learn from history that's putting to learn from history that's putting your hand on a hot stove experiencing your hand on a hot stove experiencing your hand on a hot stove experiencing something like I don't know a World War something like I don't know a World War something like I don't know a World War in your lifetime and saying can't have in your lifetime and saying can't have in your lifetime and saying can't have another one of those how long does that another one of those how long does that another one of those how long does that lesson last you burn your hand really lesson last you burn your hand really lesson last you burn your hand really badly on a hot stove you can teach your badly on a hot stove you can teach your badly on a hot stove you can teach your kid about that you could say look at kid about that you could say look at kid about that you could say look at this scar don't put your hand on a hot this scar don't put your hand on a hot this scar don't put your hand on a hot stove how long does that lesson go down stove how long does that lesson go down stove how long does that lesson go down grandchildren great-grandchildren grandchildren great-grandchildren grandchildren great-grandchildren eventually you know given the right eventually you know given the right eventually you know given the right circumstances that hot stove might look circumstances that hot stove might look circumstances that hot stove might look like just the right like just the right like just the right answer one of the reasons I started this answer one of the reasons I started this answer one of the reasons I started this Hardcore History Dum feed was to put Hardcore History Dum feed was to put Hardcore History Dum feed was to put stuff in here that just didn't fit in stuff in here that just didn't fit in stuff in here that just didn't fit in the history show or stuff we could just the history show or stuff we could just the history show or stuff we could just produce more quickly or stuff that just produce more quickly or stuff that just produce more quickly or stuff that just was weird maybe that's Today's was weird maybe that's Today's was weird maybe that's Today's Show because I was thinking you know Show because I was thinking you know Show because I was thinking you know it's been a momentous week or two in it's been a momentous week or two in it's been a momentous week or two in political history I don't know when political history I don't know when political history I don't know when you're going to get this we had a you you're going to get this we had a you you're going to get this we had a you know assassination attempt on uh Donald know assassination attempt on uh Donald know assassination attempt on uh Donald Trump president Donald Trump we had a Trump president Donald Trump we had a Trump president Donald Trump we had a you know Donald Trump's adversary in the you know Donald Trump's adversary in the you know Donald Trump's adversary in the election up until five minutes ago Joe election up until five minutes ago Joe election up until five minutes ago Joe Biden just dropped out of the Biden just dropped out of the Biden just dropped out of the presidential race so there's a lot going presidential race so there's a lot going presidential race so there's a lot going on right now right the the the boiling on right now right the the the boiling on right now right the the the boiling or simmering pot that is our you know or simmering pot that is our you know or simmering pot that is our you know National debate is about to blow up you National debate is about to blow up you National debate is about to blow up you know um and some people want it know um and some people want it know um and some people want it to Once Upon a Time I probably would to Once Upon a Time I probably would to Once Upon a Time I probably would have done a Common Sense Show about it

have done a Common Sense Show about it have done a Common Sense Show about it and lots of people have been asking but we live in an era and I think asking but we live in an era and I think it's one of the fascinating aspects of it's one of the fascinating aspects of it's one of the fascinating aspects of it there are times and I I imagine many it there are times and I I imagine many it there are times and I I imagine many of you history fans out there do this of you history fans out there do this of you history fans out there do this too where you could sort of step too where you could sort of step too where you could sort of step backwards and try to see this from a backwards and try to see this from a backwards and try to see this from a much longer view perspective and ask much longer view perspective and ask much longer view perspective and ask yourself you know can we see what's yourself you know can we see what's yourself you know can we see what's going on here can we see you know going on here can we see you know going on here can we see you know um and and one of the fascinating um and and one of the fascinating um and and one of the fascinating aspects is this the way that the climate aspects is this the way that the climate aspects is this the way that the climate and the the people who already have these uh the people who already have these uh beliefs and where Purity tests on all beliefs and where Purity tests on all beliefs and where Purity tests on all sides are in full force I mean it's a sides are in full force I mean it's a sides are in full force I mean it's a it's a very weird time to try to it's a very weird time to try to it's a very weird time to try to influence the public debate with some influence the public debate with some influence the public debate with some you know thinking of your you know thinking of your you know thinking of your own because everybody can just write it own because everybody can just write it own because everybody can just write it off as partisan or off as partisan or off as partisan or or you know a sign of your leanings so or you know a sign of your leanings so or you know a sign of your leanings so rather than play around with things like rather than play around with things like rather than play around with things like opinion or analysis that might be bias opinion or analysis that might be bias opinion or analysis that might be bias I thought maybe we could just look at I thought maybe we could just look at I thought maybe we could just look at what's already happened and maybe learn what's already happened and maybe learn what's already happened and maybe learn one of the lessons that history does one of the lessons that history does one of the lessons that history does teach the lesson of if we're not careful teach the lesson of if we're not careful teach the lesson of if we're not careful it can get this

bad in bad in 1968 just like what just happened a 1968 just like what just happened a 1968 just like what just happened a Democratic president you know shocked Democratic president you know shocked Democratic president you know shocked the world and said he was not going to the world and said he was not going to the world and said he was not going to run for run for run for reelection this caught almost everyone reelection this caught almost everyone reelection this caught almost everyone by by by surprise and the Democratic Convention surprise and the Democratic Convention surprise and the Democratic Convention was not that far was not that far was not that far away obviously I don't know when you're away obviously I don't know when you're away obviously I don't know when you're going to get this but that just happened going to get this but that just happened going to get this but that just happened to to to US History doesn't repeat itself but it US History doesn't repeat itself but it US History doesn't repeat itself but it sometimes Rhymes sometimes Rhymes sometimes Rhymes right in 1968 when Lindon Johnson did right in 1968 when Lindon Johnson did right in 1968 when Lindon Johnson did this this this we're kind of in a potential mirr image we're kind of in a potential mirr image we're kind of in a potential mirr image of where we are now when Johnson decides of where we are now when Johnson decides of where we are now when Johnson decides not to run for reelection the country is not to run for reelection the country is not to run for reelection the country is exploding now it feels like the country exploding now it feels like the country exploding now it feels like the country is pregnant with disaster maybe is a is pregnant with disaster maybe is a is pregnant with disaster maybe is a good way to put it everybody just sort good way to put it everybody just sort good way to put it everybody just sort of on pins and needles and maybe I'm of on pins and needles and maybe I'm of on pins and needles and maybe I'm misreading the situation let me just say misreading the situation let me just say misreading the situation let me just say that at the outset I could be completely that at the outset I could be completely that at the outset I could be completely misreading I'm not out there circulating misreading I'm not out there circulating misreading I'm not out there circulating all the the time so I could be all the the time so I could be all the the time so I could be misreading everything but it feels a misreading everything but it feels a misreading everything but it feels a little pregnant with anticipation and little pregnant with anticipation and little pregnant with anticipation and there's almost a date right the election there's almost a date right the election there's almost a date right the election coming up um and and almost a drooling coming up um and and almost a drooling coming up um and and almost a drooling going on now among some let's just talk going on now among some let's just talk going on now among some let's just talk about what might happen and I don't mean

about what might happen and I don't mean about what might happen and I don't mean exactly the same but there are things we exactly the same but there are things we exactly the same but there are things we can learn from the past as I said and can learn from the past as I said and can learn from the past as I said and some of it is how things devolve and some of it is how things devolve and some of it is how things devolve and what might occur and ways things might what might occur and ways things might what might occur and ways things might go and we actually have seen a version go and we actually have seen a version go and we actually have seen a version potentially of this you know I don't potentially of this you know I don't potentially of this you know I don't want to call it dystopian future who want to call it dystopian future who want to call it dystopian future who knows how bad it will be um but if it's knows how bad it will be um but if it's knows how bad it will be um but if it's as bad as as bad as as bad as 1968 um one might ask if we really want 1968 um one might ask if we really want 1968 um one might ask if we really want to go there now we wouldn't actually be going there now we wouldn't actually be going there as we all know all those variables there as we all know all those variables there as we all know all those variables I talked about in the 1938 ccha Slovakia I talked about in the 1938 ccha Slovakia I talked about in the 1938 ccha Slovakia example are in play here example are in play here example are in play here too but there is a weird funhouse mirror too but there is a weird funhouse mirror too but there is a weird funhouse mirror sort of reflection going on between that sort of reflection going on between that sort of reflection going on between that time period and now including the fact time period and now including the fact time period and now including the fact that by the time things explode they had that by the time things explode they had that by the time things explode they had been clearly heading that way for a been clearly heading that way for a been clearly heading that way for a while you could feel the tension while you could feel the tension while you could feel the tension ratcheting up for well one might say ratcheting up for well one might say ratcheting up for well one might say from the mid1 1950 S I mean the Civil from the mid1 1950 S I mean the Civil from the mid1 1950 S I mean the Civil Rights Movement gets going in mid late Rights Movement gets going in mid late Rights Movement gets going in mid late 1950s strong and uh and you know when 1950s strong and uh and you know when 1950s strong and uh and you know when President Kennedy's assassinated in President Kennedy's assassinated in President Kennedy's assassinated in November November November 1963 uh well every baby boomer book 1963 uh well every baby boomer book 1963 uh well every baby boomer book you've ever read points to that as a you've ever read points to that as a you've ever read points to that as a huge sort of cultural change in Outlook huge sort of cultural change in Outlook huge sort of cultural change in Outlook and and and everything I read a quote by Lance

everything I read a quote by Lance everything I read a quote by Lance Morrow that I thought really was the Morrow that I thought really was the Morrow that I thought really was the best summation of that sense that you best summation of that sense that you best summation of that sense that you get reading some of the stuff written by get reading some of the stuff written by get reading some of the stuff written by the baby boom the baby boom the baby boom folk and uh it said quote the real 1960s folk and uh it said quote the real 1960s folk and uh it said quote the real 1960s began on the afternoon of November 22nd began on the afternoon of November 22nd began on the afternoon of November 22nd 1963 it came to see that Kennedy's 1963 it came to see that Kennedy's 1963 it came to see that Kennedy's murder opens some malign trapo in murder opens some malign trapo in murder opens some malign trapo in American culture and the wild bats American culture and the wild bats American culture and the wild bats flapped out end flapped out end flapped out end quote but I've noticed the funh house quote but I've noticed the funh house quote but I've noticed the funh house mirror similarities for a long time and mirror similarities for a long time and mirror similarities for a long time and actually back in late 2013 early 2014 so actually back in late 2013 early 2014 so actually back in late 2013 early 2014 so a decade ago I wrote a Sizzle reel about a decade ago I wrote a Sizzle reel about a decade ago I wrote a Sizzle reel about the subject now let me back up for a the subject now let me back up for a the subject now let me back up for a minute that's what's going to make this minute that's what's going to make this minute that's what's going to make this a weird show by the way is that I'm a weird show by the way is that I'm a weird show by the way is that I'm actually sort of relying on work I did a actually sort of relying on work I did a actually sort of relying on work I did a while ago for something that never got while ago for something that never got while ago for something that never got done I mean I think this is a world got done I mean I think this is a world got done I mean I think this is a world got done but we never did anything with it I done but we never did anything with it I done but we never did anything with it I was working with a very talented group was working with a very talented group was working with a very talented group of filmmakers and they asked me uh for of filmmakers and they asked me uh for of filmmakers and they asked me uh for an example of what a show might be and a an example of what a show might be and a an example of what a show might be and a subject matter piece might be and I subject matter piece might be and I subject matter piece might be and I chose the revolutionary period you know chose the revolutionary period you know chose the revolutionary period you know the new Left revolutionary period in the new Left revolutionary period in the new Left revolutionary period in like um 1967 to like 1971 like um 1967 to like 1971 like um 1967 to like 1971 72 and even back then the interesting 72 and even back then the interesting 72 and even back then the interesting parallels and stuff were such that um parallels and stuff were such that um parallels and stuff were such that um because you could almost as I said in because you could almost as I said in because you could almost as I said in the same way you could see 1968 and the the same way you could see 1968 and the the same way you could see 1968 and the explosion and all that uh percolating explosion and all that uh percolating explosion and all that uh percolating for a long time ahead of time you can for a long time ahead of time you can for a long time ahead of time you can see what's coming in front of us has see what's coming in front of us has see what's coming in front of us has been percolating for a long time too

been percolating for a long time too been percolating for a long time too with stressor piled upon stressor for with stressor piled upon stressor for with stressor piled upon stressor for years again 100 50 years from now years again 100 50 years from now years again 100 50 years from now historians are going to look back on historians are going to look back on historians are going to look back on this and be able to piece it together this and be able to piece it together this and be able to piece it together maybe better than we can 1968 is maybe better than we can 1968 is maybe better than we can 1968 is certainly about the edge of recentness certainly about the edge of recentness certainly about the edge of recentness for me I usually don't do anything any for me I usually don't do anything any for me I usually don't do anything any newer well I usually don't even do 1968 newer well I usually don't even do 1968 newer well I usually don't even do 1968 so this is this is like the edge of so this is this is like the edge of so this is this is like the edge of where I'll talk about history where I'll talk about history where I'll talk about history usually but it was a wild period And I usually but it was a wild period And I usually but it was a wild period And I wrote a narrative script that was wrote a narrative script that was wrote a narrative script that was supposed to be interspersed with all supposed to be interspersed with all supposed to be interspersed with all sorts of video plus sorts of video plus sorts of video plus Recreations and and I was actually Recreations and and I was actually Recreations and and I was actually technologically going to be inserted technologically going to be inserted technologically going to be inserted into these scenes as they happen it was into these scenes as they happen it was into these scenes as they happen it was going to be really cool so what I've going to be really cool so what I've going to be really cool so what I've done is I've got my material here that I done is I've got my material here that I done is I've got my material here that I wrote I did take you know version after wrote I did take you know version after wrote I did take you know version after version after version of a lot of these version after version of a lot of these version after version of a lot of these scripts uh leaving the stuff in that I scripts uh leaving the stuff in that I scripts uh leaving the stuff in that I liked and taking the stuff out that I liked and taking the stuff out that I liked and taking the stuff out that I didn't so it got quite a bit more tight didn't so it got quite a bit more tight didn't so it got quite a bit more tight than this but I'm using one of my than this but I'm using one of my than this but I'm using one of my earlier versions because I like all that earlier versions because I like all that earlier versions because I like all that other stuff we had to take it out we other stuff we had to take it out we other stuff we had to take it out we took it out for brevity's sake but some took it out for brevity's sake but some took it out for brevity's sake but some of it's really kind of interesting I of it's really kind of interesting I of it's really kind of interesting I think you'll have to be the judge but I think you'll have to be the judge but I think you'll have to be the judge but I don't normally read as you know the don't normally read as you know the don't normally read as you know the show's improvised it sounds that way show's improvised it sounds that way show's improvised it sounds that way when I had to do the recording for my when I had to do the recording for my when I had to do the recording for my audio book I always thought it sounded audio book I always thought it sounded audio book I always thought it sounded weird because it's me reading uh and not weird because it's me reading uh and not weird because it's me reading uh and not sort of improvising but the same is sort of improvising but the same is sort of improvising but the same is going to happen here and it's it's when going to happen here and it's it's when going to happen here and it's it's when you take out all the video stuff in you take out all the video stuff in you take out all the video stuff in between it's actually quite a bit of between it's actually quite a bit of between it's actually quite a bit of text so I apologize for the lengthy text so I apologize for the lengthy text so I apologize for the lengthy quote but I do know some podcasts that quote but I do know some podcasts that quote but I do know some podcasts that are popular are nothing more than are popular are nothing more than are popular are nothing more than reading from scripts so uh and let's reading from scripts so uh and let's reading from scripts so uh and let's just say first time for everything I've just say first time for everything I've just say first time for everything I've never quoted 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never quoted myself I don't think on on never quoted myself I don't think on on the program so a long quote of me the program so a long quote of me the program so a long quote of me narrating uh with a bunch of images and narrating uh with a bunch of images and narrating uh with a bunch of images and stuff that you probably won't have uh stuff that you probably won't have uh stuff that you probably won't have uh we'll see how much of a myth Ben is if we'll see how much of a myth Ben is if we'll see how much of a myth Ben is if he can sneak any of it in there uh but he can sneak any of it in there uh but he can sneak any of it in there uh but long block of text now that sets up this long block of text now that sets up this long block of text now that sets up this subject that I think is still today well subject that I think is still today well subject that I think is still today well maybe even more interesting than it was maybe even more interesting than it was maybe even more interesting than it was 10 or 11 years ago when I wrote this so 10 or 11 years ago when I wrote this so 10 or 11 years ago when I wrote this so quoting myself for the first time I quoting myself for the first time I quoting myself for the first time I believe quote I hold it that a little believe quote I hold it that a little believe quote I hold it that a little Rebellion now and then is a good Rebellion now and then is a good Rebellion now and then is a good thing you know who said that one of the thing you know who said that one of the thing you know who said that one of the United States's most revered founding United States's most revered founding United States's most revered founding fathers Thomas Jefferson and it sounds fathers Thomas Jefferson and it sounds fathers Thomas Jefferson and it sounds good in theory right the United States good in theory right the United States good in theory right the United States itself was of course founded on an act itself was of course founded on an act itself was of course founded on an act of rebellion and Jefferson was one of of rebellion and Jefferson was one of of rebellion and Jefferson was one of the people leading that but when does a the people leading that but when does a the people leading that but when does a little Rebellion turn into something little Rebellion turn into something little Rebellion turn into something more what if I told you that next year more what if I told you that next year more what if I told you that next year the United States would experience more the United States would experience more the United States would experience more than than 150 violent than than 150 violent than than 150 violent riots would you classify that as a riots would you classify that as a riots would you classify that as a little little little Rebellion if I told you that in one Rebellion if I told you that in one Rebellion if I told you that in one 12-month period in our near future the 12-month period in our near future the 12-month period in our near future the US would suffer more than 170 bombings US would suffer more than 170 bombings US would suffer more than 170 bombings or bombing attempts on American soil or bombing attempts on American soil or bombing attempts on American soil what would run through your mind what what would run through your mind what what would run through your mind what would you think had would you think had would you think had happened these may sound like happened these may sound like happened these may sound like hypothetical questions but the fact is

hypothetical questions but the fact is hypothetical questions but the fact is when the right historical ingredients when the right historical ingredients when the right historical ingredients are present a witch's brew of are present a witch's brew of are present a witch's brew of revolutionary activity can be conjured revolutionary activity can be conjured revolutionary activity can be conjured up more often and more quickly than most up more often and more quickly than most up more often and more quickly than most governments find governments find governments find comfortable it happened for example in comfortable it happened for example in comfortable it happened for example in 1848 the so-called year of Revolution 1848 the so-called year of Revolution 1848 the so-called year of Revolution when more than 50 European and Latin when more than 50 European and Latin when more than 50 European and Latin American countries spontaneously erupted American countries spontaneously erupted American countries spontaneously erupted in anti-government protests and violence in anti-government protests and violence in anti-government protests and violence in the same year 13 years later the in the same year 13 years later the in the same year 13 years later the United States saw the most serious United States saw the most serious United States saw the most serious threat to its government in its history threat to its government in its history threat to its government in its history history when civil war broke out between history when civil war broke out between history when civil war broke out between the Southern and northern states now the Southern and northern states now the Southern and northern states now while no one is alive today who while no one is alive today who while no one is alive today who remembers those events plenty of people remembers those events plenty of people remembers those events plenty of people now living can recall in Vivid color the now living can recall in Vivid color the now living can recall in Vivid color the last time Americans engaged in a little last time Americans engaged in a little last time Americans engaged in a little Rebellion now let me stop here and say Rebellion now let me stop here and say Rebellion now let me stop here and say at this point you were supposed to see at this point you were supposed to see at this point you were supposed to see all sorts of images and videos that all sorts of images and videos that all sorts of images and videos that helped uh negate the need for me to helped uh negate the need for me to helped uh negate the need for me to explain everything that was going on but explain everything that was going on but explain everything that was going on but um lots of showing of all of the um lots of showing of all of the um lots of showing of all of the tensions and how it broke out into open tensions and how it broke out into open tensions and how it broke out into open problems in the streets and my narration problems in the streets and my narration problems in the streets and my narration continues quote and it wasn't just continues quote and it wasn't just continues quote and it wasn't just hundreds of riots and bombings it also hundreds of riots and bombings it also hundreds of riots and bombings it also included multiple highlevel political included multiple highlevel political included multiple highlevel political assassinations tens of thousands of assassinations tens of thousands of assassinations tens of thousands of arrests hundreds of thousands of arrests hundreds of thousands of arrests hundreds of thousands of demonstrators in the streets demonstrators in the streets demonstrators in the streets universities shut down and buildings universities shut down and buildings universities shut down and buildings occupied and protesting students shot occupied and protesting students shot occupied and protesting students shot down on campus by campus police and

down on campus by campus police and down on campus by campus police and National Guardsmen it was the late 1960s National Guardsmen it was the late 1960s National Guardsmen it was the late 1960s and early and early and early 1970s and calling the anti-establishment 1970s and calling the anti-establishment 1970s and calling the anti-establishment actions back then a little Rebellion actions back then a little Rebellion actions back then a little Rebellion doesn't do them Justice in reality it doesn't do them Justice in reality it doesn't do them Justice in reality it was probably the closest the United was probably the closest the United was probably the closest the United States came to Revolution since the States came to Revolution since the States came to Revolution since the Civil War and it happened less than a Civil War and it happened less than a Civil War and it happened less than a half century half century half century ago it's still controversial too how do ago it's still controversial too how do ago it's still controversial too how do you decide if Insurrection is a positive you decide if Insurrection is a positive you decide if Insurrection is a positive or negative thing sometimes you get a or negative thing sometimes you get a or negative thing sometimes you get a United States of America out of a United States of America out of a United States of America out of a rebellion but sometimes you get a Soviet rebellion but sometimes you get a Soviet rebellion but sometimes you get a Soviet Union do the reasons for an Insurrection Union do the reasons for an Insurrection Union do the reasons for an Insurrection justify it and who decides if those justify it and who decides if those justify it and who decides if those reasons are good enough The reasons are good enough The reasons are good enough The Establishment the rebels or maybe the Establishment the rebels or maybe the Establishment the rebels or maybe the great mass of people caught between the great mass of people caught between the great mass of people caught between the extremes are the ones who make the extremes are the ones who make the extremes are the ones who make the call well sometimes that verdict is call well sometimes that verdict is call well sometimes that verdict is rendered by history and sometimes the rendered by history and sometimes the rendered by history and sometimes the court of History even reverses itself on court of History even reverses itself on court of History even reverses itself on appeal but history appeal but history appeal but history or those viewing it has the luxury of or those viewing it has the luxury of or those viewing it has the luxury of looking at extreme events from the safe looking at extreme events from the safe looking at extreme events from the safe distance of the future it's as though distance of the future it's as though distance of the future it's as though we're looking at a movie we've already we're looking at a movie we've already we're looking at a movie we've already seen there are no risks we know how seen there are no risks we know how seen there are no risks we know how things turn out the participants living things turn out the participants living things turn out the participants living through events in real time didn't and through events in real time didn't and through events in real time didn't and the stakes could be insanely the stakes could be insanely the stakes could be insanely High I mean in just one 16-month period High I mean in just one 16-month period High I mean in just one 16-month period from 1969 to 1970 there were more than

from 1969 to 1970 there were more than from 1969 to 1970 there were more than 40,000 bombings bombing attempts or bomb 40,000 bombings bombing attempts or bomb 40,000 bombings bombing attempts or bomb threats in the United States that's an threats in the United States that's an threats in the United States that's an average of more than 80 a day if we were average of more than 80 a day if we were average of more than 80 a day if we were experiencing anything like that today experiencing anything like that today experiencing anything like that today during the 24-hour news cycle and the during the 24-hour news cycle and the during the 24-hour news cycle and the era of 21 century Homeland Security era of 21 century Homeland Security era of 21 century Homeland Security don't you think we would consider the don't you think we would consider the don't you think we would consider the stakes insanely stakes insanely stakes insanely high and no target was immune New York high and no target was immune New York high and no target was immune New York Police Headquarters was bombed the US Police Headquarters was bombed the US Police Headquarters was bombed the US capital was attacked and on M 19th capital was attacked and on M 19th capital was attacked and on M 19th 1972 a young lady who was part of an 1972 a young lady who was part of an 1972 a young lady who was part of an extremist group of people that we today extremist group of people that we today extremist group of people that we today would call domestic terrorists planted a would call domestic terrorists planted a would call domestic terrorists planted a bomb inside the military nerve center of bomb inside the military nerve center of bomb inside the military nerve center of the United States she planted it in the the United States she planted it in the the United States she planted it in the Pentagon a nation that proudly Pentagon a nation that proudly Pentagon a nation that proudly celebrated its own founding Revolution celebrated its own founding Revolution celebrated its own founding Revolution every year was dealing with members of every year was dealing with members of every year was dealing with members of their own citizens who thought it was their own citizens who thought it was their own citizens who thought it was time for another time for another time for another one how on Earth did the United States one how on Earth did the United States one how on Earth did the United States go from a Leave it to Beaver reality in go from a Leave it to Beaver reality in go from a Leave it to Beaver reality in the early 1960s to one better the early 1960s to one better the early 1960s to one better represented by The Mod Squad in just a represented by The Mod Squad in just a represented by The Mod Squad in just a few few few years make no mistake about it the years make no mistake about it the years make no mistake about it the transformation was transformation was transformation was traumatic during that period many traumatic during that period many traumatic during that period many emerging Trends came together to create emerging Trends came together to create emerging Trends came together to create one of the most turbulent eras in one of the most turbulent eras in one of the most turbulent eras in American history it spanned several American history it spanned several American history it spanned several years but 1968 was the Tipping Point years but 1968 was the Tipping Point years but 1968 was the Tipping Point ultr dramatic events kept ratcheting up ultr dramatic events kept ratcheting up ultr dramatic events kept ratcheting up the pressure all through that year that

the pressure all through that year that the pressure all through that year that the Beatles went from singing All You the Beatles went from singing All You the Beatles went from singing All You Need Is Love in Need Is Love in Need Is Love in 1967 to Revolution a mere year later is 1967 to Revolution a mere year later is 1967 to Revolution a mere year later is symbolic of the mood shift anyone old symbolic of the mood shift anyone old symbolic of the mood shift anyone old enough to have gotten married and enough to have gotten married and enough to have gotten married and started a family after World War II started a family after World War II started a family after World War II would have been forgiven if they'd had a would have been forgiven if they'd had a would have been forgiven if they'd had a case of historical case of historical case of historical Whiplash how did the bucolic crew cut Whiplash how did the bucolic crew cut Whiplash how did the bucolic crew cut All-American 1950s morph into the angry All-American 1950s morph into the angry All-American 1950s morph into the angry 1960 and early 1970s and how did it do 1960 and early 1970s and how did it do 1960 and early 1970s and how did it do so so quickly well it had a lot to do so so quickly well it had a lot to do so so quickly well it had a lot to do with the young people coming of age with the young people coming of age with the young people coming of age during those years and the events that during those years and the events that during those years and the events that were impacting their were impacting their were impacting their lives end quote then I have a notation lives end quote then I have a notation lives end quote then I have a notation here shots fired JFK killed show films here shots fired JFK killed show films here shots fired JFK killed show films so you have to imagine the interspersing so you have to imagine the interspersing so you have to imagine the interspersing of all of this sort of of all of this sort of of all of this sort of stuff and I continue quote the end of a stuff and I continue quote the end of a stuff and I continue quote the end of a period that is so romantic ized it's period that is so romantic ized it's period that is so romantic ized it's recalled as Camelot signaled the first recalled as Camelot signaled the first recalled as Camelot signaled the first change of mood the violent death of a change of mood the violent death of a change of mood the violent death of a popular glamorous president in such a popular glamorous president in such a popular glamorous president in such a traumatic fashion scarred a generation traumatic fashion scarred a generation traumatic fashion scarred a generation and added a dose of cynicism into the and added a dose of cynicism into the and added a dose of cynicism into the national Outlook JFK wouldn't be the national Outlook JFK wouldn't be the national Outlook JFK wouldn't be the last leader gunned down in the last leader gunned down in the last leader gunned down in the 1960s far from it end 1960s far from it end 1960s far from it end quote Malcolm X was gunned down in May quote Malcolm X was gunned down in May quote Malcolm X was gunned down in May 1965 and while uh White America was

and while uh White America was relatively scared of Malcolm X and so relatively scared of Malcolm X and so relatively scared of Malcolm X and so was some of Black America also this was was some of Black America also this was was some of Black America also this was cited um as one of the reasons for the cited um as one of the reasons for the cited um as one of the reasons for the creation of the Black Panthers in 1966 and in my narration I said quote 1966 and in my narration I said quote anger over the killing of Malcolm X Who anger over the killing of Malcolm X Who anger over the killing of Malcolm X Who as a member of the Nation of Islam had as a member of the Nation of Islam had as a member of the Nation of Islam had been seen as a dangerous figure by much been seen as a dangerous figure by much been seen as a dangerous figure by much of White America and by some of Black of White America and by some of Black of White America and by some of Black America too was one of the reasons cited America too was one of the reasons cited America too was one of the reasons cited for the creation of the Black Panthers for the creation of the Black Panthers for the creation of the Black Panthers in in in 1966 the Panthers were to become one of 1966 the Panthers were to become one of 1966 the Panthers were to become one of the more Angry forceful and the more Angry forceful and the more Angry forceful and revolutionary of the groups pushing for revolutionary of the groups pushing for revolutionary of the groups pushing for racial equality they picked up on the racial equality they picked up on the racial equality they picked up on the Mantra of Freedom by any means necessary Mantra of Freedom by any means necessary Mantra of Freedom by any means necessary and attracted people who felt that the and attracted people who felt that the and attracted people who felt that the results gained among more peaceful results gained among more peaceful results gained among more peaceful approaches like those of Martin Luther approaches like those of Martin Luther approaches like those of Martin Luther King were either too slow in coming or King were either too slow in coming or King were either too slow in coming or too modest in too modest in too modest in scope and then I wanted to insert a scope and then I wanted to insert a scope and then I wanted to insert a video of H rap Brown saying his famous video of H rap Brown saying his famous video of H rap Brown saying his famous quote quote I say you better get a gun quote quote I say you better get a gun quote quote I say you better get a gun violence is necessary it's as American violence is necessary it's as American violence is necessary it's as American is Cherry Pie end quote I have a lot of is Cherry Pie end quote I have a lot of is Cherry Pie end quote I have a lot of great quotes I'd like to incorporate great quotes I'd like to incorporate great quotes I'd like to incorporate into this today that I looked up from into this today that I looked up from into this today that I looked up from the era that just sort of all of them the era that just sort of all of them the era that just sort of all of them are little data points or pieces of a are little data points or pieces of a are little data points or pieces of a mosaic that when you throw them all mosaic that when you throw them all mosaic that when you throw them all together you start to assemble sort of a together you start to assemble sort of a together you start to assemble sort of a better picture of what we're talking better picture of what we're talking better picture of what we're talking about here but there's a ton of stuff about here but there's a ton of stuff about here but there's a ton of stuff going on in this area it's crammed I going on in this area it's crammed I going on in this area it's crammed I mean if you have a detailed timeline mean if you have a detailed timeline mean if you have a detailed timeline it's an amazing list of ever

it's an amazing list of ever it's an amazing list of ever increasingly tense situations that crop increasingly tense situations that crop increasingly tense situations that crop up one right after up one right after up one right after another my narration continues quote the another my narration continues quote the another my narration continues quote the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr was at Reverend Martin Luther King Jr was at Reverend Martin Luther King Jr was at the opposite end of the violence scale the opposite end of the violence scale the opposite end of the violence scale from groups like the black panthers in from groups like the black panthers in from groups like the black panthers in fact he was one of the most famous fact he was one of the most famous fact he was one of the most famous proponents of nonviolence in history but proponents of nonviolence in history but proponents of nonviolence in history but by 1968 even King couldn't seem to by 1968 even King couldn't seem to by 1968 even King couldn't seem to prevent violence from erupting at his prevent violence from erupting at his prevent violence from erupting at his events King said in early 19 68 quote events King said in early 19 68 quote events King said in early 19 68 quote maybe we just have to admit that the day maybe we just have to admit that the day maybe we just have to admit that the day of violence is here and maybe we have to of violence is here and maybe we have to of violence is here and maybe we have to just give up and let violence take its just give up and let violence take its just give up and let violence take its course the nation won't listen to our course the nation won't listen to our course the nation won't listen to our voice maybe it will heed the voice of voice maybe it will heed the voice of voice maybe it will heed the voice of violence end quote then my narration violence end quote then my narration violence end quote then my narration here says quick cut to the Martin Luther here says quick cut to the Martin Luther here says quick cut to the Martin Luther King shooting an King shooting an King shooting an aftermath my narration continues quote aftermath my narration continues quote aftermath my narration continues quote after Martin Luther King was after Martin Luther King was after Martin Luther King was assassinated the country exploded 130 US assassinated the country exploded 130 US assassinated the country exploded 130 US cities experienced everything from cities experienced everything from cities experienced everything from unrest to riots at the same unrest to riots at the same unrest to riots at the same time machine gun nests were set up time machine gun nests were set up time machine gun nests were set up around the nation's capital snipers in around the nation's capital snipers in around the nation's capital snipers in high-rise buildings engaged in gun high-rise buildings engaged in gun high-rise buildings engaged in gun battles with police on the ground battles with police on the ground battles with police on the ground several major urban areas had turned several major urban areas had turned several major urban areas had turned into war zones it would take into war zones it would take into war zones it would take 65,000 Riot troops to restore temporary 65,000 Riot troops to restore temporary 65,000 Riot troops to restore temporary order around the order around the order around the country Martin Luther King had said country Martin Luther King had said country Martin Luther King had said before he died that the summer of before he died that the summer of before he died that the summer of 1967's riots the previous year couldn't 1967's riots the previous year couldn't 1967's riots the previous year couldn't be repeated without something really bad

be repeated without something really bad be repeated without something really bad happening quote we cannot stand two more happening quote we cannot stand two more happening quote we cannot stand two more Summers like last summer without leading Summers like last summer without leading Summers like last summer without leading inevitably to a right-wing takeover and inevitably to a right-wing takeover and inevitably to a right-wing takeover and a fascist State end quote King's death a fascist State end quote King's death a fascist State end quote King's death would almost assure 1968 would see even would almost assure 1968 would see even would almost assure 1968 would see even more unrest than more unrest than more unrest than 1967 how long do you think our society 1967 how long do you think our society 1967 how long do you think our society today could weather storms of this today could weather storms of this today could weather storms of this magnitude and what if just when you magnitude and what if just when you magnitude and what if just when you think the tension meter has maxed out at think the tension meter has maxed out at think the tension meter has maxed out at 10 it gets turned up to 10 it gets turned up to 10 it gets turned up to 11 John F Kennedy's brother Robert 11 John F Kennedy's brother Robert 11 John F Kennedy's brother Robert former Attorney General of the United former Attorney General of the United former Attorney General of the United States was running for the presidency States was running for the presidency States was running for the presidency himself on a peace and Racial equality himself on a peace and Racial equality himself on a peace and Racial equality platform when he received the news of platform when he received the news of platform when he received the news of King's death during a campaign speech King's death during a campaign speech King's death during a campaign speech and had to break it to a stunned and and had to break it to a stunned and and had to break it to a stunned and horrified horrified horrified crowd andert the famous RFK doing this I crowd andert the famous RFK doing this I crowd andert the famous RFK doing this I ladies and gentlemen I'm only going to talk to you just for a I'm only going to talk to you just for a minute or so this evening because I minute or so this evening because I minute or so this evening because I have some very sad news for all of you could you lower those signs you could you lower those signs please I have some very sad news for all please I have some very sad news for all please I have some very sad news for all of you and I think uh sad news for all of you and I think uh sad news for all of you and I think uh sad news for all of our fellow of our fellow of our fellow citizens and people who love peace all citizens and people who love peace all citizens and people who love peace all over the world and that is that Martin over the world and that is that Martin over the world and that is that Martin Luther King was shot and was killed Luther King was shot and was killed Luther King was shot and was killed tonight in Memphis

Dene Martin Luther Dene Martin Luther King dedicated his life then I said two King dedicated his life then I said two King dedicated his life then I said two months later it was Robert's turn this months later it was Robert's turn this months later it was Robert's turn this is a time of tragedy and loss Senator is a time of tragedy and loss Senator is a time of tragedy and loss Senator Robert Kennedy is Robert Kennedy is Robert Kennedy is Robert Kennedy affirmed this Robert Kennedy affirmed this Robert Kennedy affirmed this country affirmed the essential decency country affirmed the essential decency country affirmed the essential decency of its people they're longing for of its people they're longing for of its people they're longing for peace and then mercifully for all of us peace and then mercifully for all of us peace and then mercifully for all of us uh the text ends with this uh the text ends with this uh the text ends with this summation quote there were some that saw summation quote there were some that saw summation quote there were some that saw some level of horrible irony in the fact some level of horrible irony in the fact some level of horrible irony in the fact that two of the most prominent that two of the most prominent that two of the most prominent proponents of Peace in American society proponents of Peace in American society proponents of Peace in American society both were violently gunned down by both were violently gunned down by both were violently gunned down by assassins the deaths of King and Kennedy assassins the deaths of King and Kennedy assassins the deaths of King and Kennedy didn't just silence two of the most didn't just silence two of the most didn't just silence two of the most eloquent voices counseling peace it gave eloquent voices counseling peace it gave eloquent voices counseling peace it gave ammunition to those who wanted to argue ammunition to those who wanted to argue ammunition to those who wanted to argue for measures Beyond mere dissent events for measures Beyond mere dissent events for measures Beyond mere dissent events surrounding the Democratic National surrounding the Democratic National surrounding the Democratic National Convention in Chicago in Convention in Chicago in Convention in Chicago in 1968 helped crystallize things the now 1968 helped crystallize things the now 1968 helped crystallize things the now dead Robert Kennedy had hoped to get the dead Robert Kennedy had hoped to get the dead Robert Kennedy had hoped to get the nomination of his party for president at nomination of his party for president at nomination of his party for president at this convention but while he won't be this convention but while he won't be this convention but while he won't be there Abby Hoffman will there Abby Hoffman will there Abby Hoffman will end quote and that's sort of the end of end quote and that's sort of the end of end quote and that's sort of the end of the sizzle reel but it's given us sort the sizzle reel but it's given us sort the sizzle reel but it's given us sort of a little introduction into the of a little introduction into the of a little introduction into the elevator pitch for the time period elevator pitch for the time period elevator pitch for the time period right you think of any society out there right you think of any society out there right you think of any society out there trying to absorb all of the different

trying to absorb all of the different trying to absorb all of the different cultural inputs that were happening at cultural inputs that were happening at cultural inputs that were happening at that time period and I mean it if you that time period and I mean it if you that time period and I mean it if you were looking at an ancient society and were looking at an ancient society and were looking at an ancient society and you said it had all this going on you you said it had all this going on you you said it had all this going on you were wondering you would wonder how it were wondering you would wonder how it were wondering you would wonder how it kept kept kept together this is part of the funh house together this is part of the funh house together this is part of the funh house mirr reflection thing because there's a mirr reflection thing because there's a mirr reflection thing because there's a there's a sense that you almost feel there's a sense that you almost feel there's a sense that you almost feel that way now right that the level of that way now right that the level of that way now right that the level of sensory input amongst everything going sensory input amongst everything going sensory input amongst everything going on is on overload and on self-destruct on is on overload and on self-destruct on is on overload and on self-destruct right and in November you know right and in November you know right and in November you know boom but let's start with stressor boom but let's start with stressor boom but let's start with stressor number one in 1968 you had the war in number one in 1968 you had the war in number one in 1968 you had the war in Vietnam and truthfully we don't have Vietnam and truthfully we don't have Vietnam and truthfully we don't have anything quite like that now I can't anything quite like that now I can't anything quite like that now I can't even find even find even find an analogy for that you might say an analogy for that you might say an analogy for that you might say something like Ukraine or the situation something like Ukraine or the situation something like Ukraine or the situation in the Middle East but we don't have in the Middle East but we don't have in the Middle East but we don't have Americans dying in that sort of Americans dying in that sort of Americans dying in that sort of circumstance we had a steady drum beat circumstance we had a steady drum beat circumstance we had a steady drum beat of people dying during the Vietnam War of people dying during the Vietnam War of people dying during the Vietnam War in 1967 the year of course before in 1967 the year of course before in 1967 the year of course before 1968 1968 1968 9,353 or so people died in the Vietnam 9,353 or so people died in the Vietnam 9,353 or so people died in the Vietnam war in the American military war in the American military war in the American military forces that's added to an existing total forces that's added to an existing total forces that's added to an existing total by that point of almost 16,000 people by that point of almost 16,000 people by that point of almost 16,000 people already and we'd only really been already and we'd only really been already and we'd only really been heavily involved in the war since about heavily involved in the war since about heavily involved in the war since about November 14th 15 1965 and I only have November 14th 15 1965 and I only have November 14th 15 1965 and I only have that date on my you know tip of the that date on my you know tip of the that date on my you know tip of the tongue because that's when I was born tongue because that's when I was born tongue because that's when I was born and that was during the battle of the and that was during the battle of the and that was during the battle of the Yad Drang Valley which is really maybe I

Yad Drang Valley which is really maybe I Yad Drang Valley which is really maybe I you can argue this but probably the you can argue this but probably the you can argue this but probably the point where things exploded into point where things exploded into point where things exploded into outright fullon you know here we go I outright fullon you know here we go I outright fullon you know here we go I mean this or the Gulf of tonen type mean this or the Gulf of tonen type mean this or the Gulf of tonen type stuff stuff stuff but the drip drip drip of casualties I but the drip drip drip of casualties I but the drip drip drip of casualties I mean you'd have like you know hundred mean you'd have like you know hundred mean you'd have like you know hundred and something people a week and they and something people a week and they and something people a week and they they'd sometimes well actually they'd they'd sometimes well actually they'd they'd sometimes well actually they'd weekly show like their High School weekly show like their High School weekly show like their High School graduation photos or the ones from graduation photos or the ones from graduation photos or the ones from graduating you know basic training graduating you know basic training graduating you know basic training photos in the magazines and you'd see photos in the magazines and you'd see photos in the magazines and you'd see all these nice you know good-look all these nice you know good-look all these nice you know good-look clean-cut American kids not coming home clean-cut American kids not coming home clean-cut American kids not coming home and you'd ask The Logical question as and you'd ask The Logical question as and you'd ask The Logical question as time goes on when's the end of this time goes on when's the end of this time goes on when's the end of this coming you know what are the victory coming you know what are the victory coming you know what are the victory conditions how do we win and when does conditions how do we win and when does conditions how do we win and when does that happen and you know even if none of that happen and you know even if none of that happen and you know even if none of these people were related to you and it these people were related to you and it these people were related to you and it didn't hit you hard all Americans were didn't hit you hard all Americans were didn't hit you hard all Americans were paying a fortune for this I mean the paying a fortune for this I mean the paying a fortune for this I mean the daily cost of the war and the monthly daily cost of the war and the monthly daily cost of the war and the monthly cost of the war was insane I mean you go cost of the war was insane I mean you go cost of the war was insane I mean you go back and you read the stuff that was back and you read the stuff that was back and you read the stuff that was going on I mean uh President Johnson was going on I mean uh President Johnson was going on I mean uh President Johnson was telling people not to travel to foreign telling people not to travel to foreign telling people not to travel to foreign countries because it you know takes US countries because it you know takes US countries because it you know takes US Dollars and sends them away from the Dollars and sends them away from the Dollars and sends them away from the country and that's how I mean he was country and that's how I mean he was country and that's how I mean he was trying to fund a great society program trying to fund a great society program trying to fund a great society program run a war I mean something had to give run a war I mean something had to give run a war I mean something had to give and so even if you didn't have a kid or and so even if you didn't have a kid or and so even if you didn't have a kid or a dog in the war fight of things even if a dog in the war fight of things even if a dog in the war fight of things even if you supported the war the taxes were a you supported the war the taxes were a you supported the war the taxes were a burden and you might logically Wonder so burden and you might logically Wonder so burden and you might logically Wonder so what are we getting for our money and what are we getting for our money and what are we getting for our money and when do we get to stop paying when do we get to stop paying when do we get to stop paying it the administration and proponents of it the administration and proponents of it the administration and proponents of the war continually said basically that the war continually said basically that the war continually said basically that it's happening it's going to be soon we it's happening it's going to be soon we it's happening it's going to be soon we have a light at the end of the tunnel have a light at the end of the tunnel have a light at the end of the tunnel and they pushed this narrative for quite

and they pushed this narrative for quite and they pushed this narrative for quite a while as more and more people uh you a while as more and more people uh you a while as more and more people uh you know would would hop off the we're know would would hop off the we're know would would hop off the we're winning the war train um and then winning the war train um and then winning the war train um and then finally and event happened again in our finally and event happened again in our finally and event happened again in our year of 1968 in January in fact that had year of 1968 in January in fact that had year of 1968 in January in fact that had an impact out of all proportion to the an impact out of all proportion to the an impact out of all proportion to the battlefield situation you've probably battlefield situation you've probably battlefield situation you've probably heard of the Tet Offensive and that's heard of the Tet Offensive and that's heard of the Tet Offensive and that's what it what it what it was in the Ted offensive uh North was in the Ted offensive uh North was in the Ted offensive uh North Vietnamese forces and Viet Kong Vietnamese forces and Viet Kong Vietnamese forces and Viet Kong guerillas took over a bunch of guerillas took over a bunch of guerillas took over a bunch of territories and cities in Vietnam South territories and cities in Vietnam South territories and cities in Vietnam South Vietnam which was our Ally all at Vietnam which was our Ally all at Vietnam which was our Ally all at once which then required um you know once which then required um you know once which then required um you know massive response uh a ton of it was shot massive response uh a ton of it was shot massive response uh a ton of it was shot by news cameras in ways that you by news cameras in ways that you by news cameras in ways that you couldn't do today you would never get in couldn't do today you would never get in couldn't do today you would never get in I mean it just wouldn't be allowed the I mean it just wouldn't be allowed the I mean it just wouldn't be allowed the governments would censor it it it was governments would censor it it it was governments would censor it it it was this crazy little moment in the history this crazy little moment in the history this crazy little moment in the history of uh military news Gathering where and of uh military news Gathering where and of uh military news Gathering where and it was only really like at the last it was only really like at the last it was only really like at the last third maybe of of the war maybe the last third maybe of of the war maybe the last third maybe of of the war maybe the last half when the cameraman could get in half when the cameraman could get in half when the cameraman could get in there and shoot real footage I mean it's there and shoot real footage I mean it's there and shoot real footage I mean it's crazy crazy crazy stuff but there was a lot of stuff shot stuff but there was a lot of stuff shot stuff but there was a lot of stuff shot during T and the images were on American during T and the images were on American during T and the images were on American television and during Ted I mean Walter television and during Ted I mean Walter television and during Ted I mean Walter kronite the most trusted man in America kronite the most trusted man in America kronite the most trusted man in America who was a rah rah supporter basically of who was a rah rah supporter basically of who was a rah rah supporter basically of the government a second world war guy uh the government a second world war guy uh the government a second world war guy uh he turned around and basically said he turned around and basically said he turned around and basically said clearly we're not winning so this light clearly we're not winning so this light clearly we're not winning so this light at the end of the tunnel uh excuse you at the end of the tunnel uh excuse you at the end of the tunnel uh excuse you know Falls dead on its feet after the

know Falls dead on its feet after the know Falls dead on its feet after the Ted Ted Ted offensive increasing something at the offensive increasing something at the offensive increasing something at the time that was called The credibility gap time that was called The credibility gap time that was called The credibility gap in other words how much you could in other words how much you could in other words how much you could believe what the president was saying um believe what the president was saying um believe what the president was saying um and and even though none of the and and even though none of the and and even though none of the conditions of being a president of the conditions of being a president of the conditions of being a president of the United States were different than in United States were different than in United States were different than in earlier eras the sort of Misty Rosy Glow earlier eras the sort of Misty Rosy Glow earlier eras the sort of Misty Rosy Glow with which Americans believed everything with which Americans believed everything with which Americans believed everything their president said uh that's what's their president said uh that's what's their president said uh that's what's wearing off in this era right that wearing off in this era right that wearing off in this era right that facade of credibility you know if facade of credibility you know if facade of credibility you know if Eisenhower had told you 95% of Americans Eisenhower had told you 95% of Americans Eisenhower had told you 95% of Americans would have believed it that's goes away would have believed it that's goes away would have believed it that's goes away here because it's been abused and this here because it's been abused and this here because it's been abused and this idea that the Vietnam war is ending and idea that the Vietnam war is ending and idea that the Vietnam war is ending and yes we have to send more troops no we yes we have to send more troops no we yes we have to send more troops no we have to send more troops again well we have to send more troops again well we have to send more troops again well we have to send more troops again but it's have to send more troops again but it's have to send more troops again but it's all you know we're wrapping it up we're all you know we're wrapping it up we're all you know we're wrapping it up we're Victory is right around the corner and T Victory is right around the corner and T Victory is right around the corner and T showed that it wasn't and this was in showed that it wasn't and this was in showed that it wasn't and this was in January 1968 now one of the problems January 1968 now one of the problems January 1968 now one of the problems connected with the war that might not be connected with the war that might not be connected with the war that might not be as big of a deal today is that a bunch as big of a deal today is that a bunch as big of a deal today is that a bunch of the people in the military in 1968 of the people in the military in 1968 of the people in the military in 1968 did not want to be in the did not want to be in the did not want to be in the military this was not a volunteer military this was not a volunteer military this was not a volunteer military although there were Volunteers military although there were Volunteers military although there were Volunteers in the military as there always are but in the military as there always are but in the military as there always are but this was a conscript Army just like the this was a conscript Army just like the this was a conscript Army just like the Army by the way of the United States in Army by the way of the United States in Army by the way of the United States in the second world war and the first I the second world war and the first I the second world war and the first I mean there's a ton of people who are mean there's a ton of people who are mean there's a ton of people who are there because Uncle Sam sends them a there because Uncle Sam sends them a there because Uncle Sam sends them a draft draft draft notice in some eras that draft notice is notice in some eras that draft notice is notice in some eras that draft notice is expected and people uh buy and large you expected and people uh buy and large you expected and people uh buy and large you know heed what the letter tells them and know heed what the letter tells them and know heed what the letter tells them and they go show up show up they take the they go show up show up they take the they go show up show up they take the oath they go to basic training and oath they go to basic training and oath they go to basic training and they're in the military in this era less

they're in the military in this era less they're in the military in this era less and less people were doing that there's and less people were doing that there's and less people were doing that there's going to be one day for example where a going to be one day for example where a going to be one day for example where a thousand people around the country send thousand people around the country send thousand people around the country send their draft notices back to the their draft notices back to the their draft notices back to the government how many people can you government how many people can you government how many people can you arrest on draft evasion before you have arrest on draft evasion before you have arrest on draft evasion before you have a very different kind of problem on your a very different kind of problem on your a very different kind of problem on your hands and what sort of signal does that hands and what sort of signal does that hands and what sort of signal does that send to the other side in your Conflict send to the other side in your Conflict send to the other side in your Conflict by the by the by the way so if you look at all the different way so if you look at all the different way so if you look at all the different things that are going on to this things that are going on to this things that are going on to this generation that generation that generation that are that are taking an old social are that are taking an old social are that are taking an old social contract and sort of break breaking it contract and sort of break breaking it contract and sort of break breaking it and then seeing what's left once you do and then seeing what's left once you do and then seeing what's left once you do this this is revolutionary change even this this is revolutionary change even this this is revolutionary change even if a lot of these people aren't for if a lot of these people aren't for if a lot of these people aren't for revolution right even if they're not the revolution right even if they're not the revolution right even if they're not the hard edge of the Revolution listen to hard edge of the Revolution listen to hard edge of the Revolution listen to these things and think about how this these things and think about how this these things and think about how this would change a society that did not have would change a society that did not have would change a society that did not have these things as important inputs as these things as important inputs as these things as important inputs as recently as a decade previously and recently as a decade previously and recently as a decade previously and imagine the funh house Mir reflection on imagine the funh house Mir reflection on imagine the funh house Mir reflection on how you can make all sorts of analogies how you can make all sorts of analogies how you can make all sorts of analogies for these things today right something for these things today right something for these things today right something today that's equal to something back today that's equal to something back today that's equal to something back then or some of the same damn problems then or some of the same damn problems then or some of the same damn problems in 1968 that we're dealing with now how in 1968 that we're dealing with now how in 1968 that we're dealing with now how about about about television we don't think about that a television we don't think about that a television we don't think about that a lot but that was something that I mean lot but that was something that I mean lot but that was something that I mean this is Gutenberg Mo movable press I this is Gutenberg Mo movable press I this is Gutenberg Mo movable press I mean this is one of those benchmarks in mean this is one of those benchmarks in mean this is one of those benchmarks in the history of the history of the history of communication that had an impact on the

communication that had an impact on the communication that had an impact on the society unlike anything that had come society unlike anything that had come society unlike anything that had come before it now today of course we have before it now today of course we have before it now today of course we have the internet and all these things that the internet and all these things that the internet and all these things that make TV look like a minor development make TV look like a minor development make TV look like a minor development but think about how important TV was but think about how important TV was but think about how important TV was when everybody started watching it it when everybody started watching it it when everybody started watching it it had like three channels and it had a had like three channels and it had a had like three channels and it had a couple of major newscasts and the whole couple of major newscasts and the whole couple of major newscasts and the whole world watched these things and the the world watched these things and the the world watched these things and the the impact on society was absolutely impact on society was absolutely impact on society was absolutely enormous the opinion-making power and enormous the opinion-making power and enormous the opinion-making power and one of the lines about the Vietnam War one of the lines about the Vietnam War one of the lines about the Vietnam War uh whether or not it was true is that uh whether or not it was true is that uh whether or not it was true is that the war was lost in America's living the war was lost in America's living the war was lost in America's living rooms because the TV was showing them rooms because the TV was showing them rooms because the TV was showing them the the the war and by the end of 1967 in addition war and by the end of 1967 in addition war and by the end of 1967 in addition to the you know 26,000 dead in the war to the you know 26,000 dead in the war to the you know 26,000 dead in the war already there was almost 100,000 guys already there was almost 100,000 guys already there was almost 100,000 guys wounded and when you think about the wounded and when you think about the wounded and when you think about the toll that that takes on society seeing a toll that that takes on society seeing a toll that that takes on society seeing a lot of these wounded veterans some of lot of these wounded veterans some of lot of these wounded veterans some of them at protest some of them angry at them at protest some of them angry at them at protest some of them angry at protesters but I mean all of that is it protesters but I mean all of that is it protesters but I mean all of that is it always Fosters the question in your mind always Fosters the question in your mind always Fosters the question in your mind what did they lose that leg for right I what did they lose that leg for right I what did they lose that leg for right I mean what are we mean what are we mean what are we doing this whole situation that in some doing this whole situation that in some doing this whole situation that in some ways prevented theed unit States from ways prevented theed unit States from ways prevented theed unit States from going for like a second world war going for like a second world war going for like a second world war Victory and rolling the tanks into you Victory and rolling the tanks into you Victory and rolling the tanks into you know Saigon or something like that and know Saigon or something like that and know Saigon or something like that and then taking them way up to the north then taking them way up to the north then taking them way up to the north that was all impacted by the fact that that was all impacted by the fact that that was all impacted by the fact that they now lived the people in 1968 in an they now lived the people in 1968 in an they now lived the people in 1968 in an era of nuclear weapons and you go look era of nuclear weapons and you go look era of nuclear weapons and you go look at the impact for example in the at the impact for example in the at the impact for example in the literature or in the television popular literature or in the television popular literature or in the television popular media the movies of the time period this media the movies of the time period this media the movies of the time period this threat this sort of Damocles threat of

threat this sort of Damocles threat of threat this sort of Damocles threat of nuclear weapons hung over this whole nuclear weapons hung over this whole nuclear weapons hung over this whole generation they were very conscious of generation they were very conscious of generation they were very conscious of it because they were born in a world it because they were born in a world it because they were born in a world where that threat didn't trouble them where that threat didn't trouble them where that threat didn't trouble them and as we had said in the destroyer of and as we had said in the destroyer of and as we had said in the destroyer of worlds U show that we worlds U show that we worlds U show that we did there's a difference and I feel the did there's a difference and I feel the did there's a difference and I feel the same way with computers right I was same way with computers right I was same way with computers right I was basically born in an analog world and basically born in an analog world and basically born in an analog world and lived through like my generation into lived through like my generation into lived through like my generation into the new world right the post analog the new world right the post analog the new world right the post analog world the computer World um you're very world the computer World um you're very world the computer World um you're very conscious of what the world was like conscious of what the world was like conscious of what the world was like before what it's like now and people who before what it's like now and people who before what it's like now and people who were born in a non-nuclear war world uh were born in a non-nuclear war world uh were born in a non-nuclear war world uh and then find themselves in one are very and then find themselves in one are very and then find themselves in one are very conscious of it and the literature conscious of it and the literature conscious of it and the literature proves I mean this impacted the way you proves I mean this impacted the way you proves I mean this impacted the way you know your outlook on life will we even know your outlook on life will we even know your outlook on life will we even be be be around hard to quantify how big of a around hard to quantify how big of a around hard to quantify how big of a deal that was or not but clearly this is deal that was or not but clearly this is deal that was or not but clearly this is a big change and it impacts how people a big change and it impacts how people a big change and it impacts how people think the Civil Rights movements another think the Civil Rights movements another think the Civil Rights movements another one I wrote all these things down on on one I wrote all these things down on on one I wrote all these things down on on the stuff from 11 years ago um you know the stuff from 11 years ago um you know the stuff from 11 years ago um you know civil rights movement has been going on civil rights movement has been going on civil rights movement has been going on in this country since people uh have in this country since people uh have in this country since people uh have been denied their civil rights I mean been denied their civil rights I mean been denied their civil rights I mean you you could follow the dominoes all you you could follow the dominoes all you you could follow the dominoes all the way back hundreds of years if you the way back hundreds of years if you the way back hundreds of years if you want to but in the 1950s things really want to but in the 1950s things really want to but in the 1950s things really exploded and by the 1960s of course this exploded and by the 1960s of course this exploded and by the 1960s of course this is the high Watermark of Martin Luther is the high Watermark of Martin Luther is the high Watermark of Martin Luther King and all those kinds of things or King and all those kinds of things or King and all those kinds of things or you know malol X and and some of the you know malol X and and some of the you know malol X and and some of the more radical groups the Panthers um more radical groups the Panthers um more radical groups the Panthers um civil rights is an enormous concern and civil rights is an enormous concern and civil rights is an enormous concern and remember during this era it's only in remember during this era it's only in remember during this era it's only in the 1960s that this stops you still had

the 1960s that this stops you still had the 1960s that this stops you still had Jim Crow and separate but equal going on Jim Crow and separate but equal going on Jim Crow and separate but equal going on you know you had you couldn't get a you know you had you couldn't get a you know you had you couldn't get a hotel unless it was a hotel for black hotel unless it was a hotel for black hotel unless it was a hotel for black people in some of the Southern cities people in some of the Southern cities people in some of the Southern cities you couldn't you know stay at the same you couldn't you know stay at the same you couldn't you know stay at the same waiting room you couldn't use the same waiting room you couldn't use the same waiting room you couldn't use the same bathrooms you couldn't use the same bathrooms you couldn't use the same bathrooms you couldn't use the same drinking drinking drinking fountain that's crazy and you could see fountain that's crazy and you could see fountain that's crazy and you could see how anybody would demand that that how anybody would demand that that how anybody would demand that that stop and the Civil Rights marches and stop and the Civil Rights marches and stop and the Civil Rights marches and the movement was very powerful and of the movement was very powerful and of the movement was very powerful and of course um you know when you talk about course um you know when you talk about course um you know when you talk about revolutionary change um that was going revolutionary change um that was going revolutionary change um that was going to be revolutionary change especially in to be revolutionary change especially in to be revolutionary change especially in the states that had preserved a very the states that had preserved a very the states that had preserved a very different sort of relationship between different sort of relationship between different sort of relationship between uh the races up until that time period uh the races up until that time period uh the races up until that time period there was an interesting report called there was an interesting report called there was an interesting report called the um Kennan commission report that LBJ the um Kennan commission report that LBJ the um Kennan commission report that LBJ had commissioned after a bunch of the had commissioned after a bunch of the had commissioned after a bunch of the riots that had happened in ' 67 riots that had happened in ' 67 riots that had happened in ' 67 6665 basically saying you know what's 6665 basically saying you know what's 6665 basically saying you know what's going on here and the report said that going on here and the report said that going on here and the report said that the nation is quote moving towards two the nation is quote moving towards two the nation is quote moving towards two societies one black one white separate societies one black one white separate societies one black one white separate and unequal end and unequal end and unequal end quote now the Civil Rights concerns are quote now the Civil Rights concerns are quote now the Civil Rights concerns are wrapped up in maybe we could call it a wrapped up in maybe we could call it a wrapped up in maybe we could call it a larger umbrella issue of a greater larger umbrella issue of a greater larger umbrella issue of a greater concern for human rights all the way concern for human rights all the way concern for human rights all the way around and the rights of people in around and the rights of people in around and the rights of people in countries for example that didn't often countries for example that didn't often countries for example that didn't often make the news in a lot of these make the news in a lot of these make the news in a lot of these societies because this is these are societies because this is these are societies because this is these are Global Trends by the way the United

Global Trends by the way the United Global Trends by the way the United States is affected by things like States is affected by things like States is affected by things like um you know the Vietnam War specifically um you know the Vietnam War specifically um you know the Vietnam War specifically but they don't you know have a monopoly but they don't you know have a monopoly but they don't you know have a monopoly on that I mean in Britain for example or on that I mean in Britain for example or on that I mean in Britain for example or all over the world TV is having its all over the world TV is having its all over the world TV is having its impact the threat of nuclear war is impact the threat of nuclear war is impact the threat of nuclear war is having its impact human rights is having having its impact human rights is having having its impact human rights is having its its its impact and a lot of this stuff was impact and a lot of this stuff was impact and a lot of this stuff was really exploding in power because of the really exploding in power because of the really exploding in power because of the youth revolution of the time period youth revolution of the time period youth revolution of the time period right we have uh the famous baby boom right we have uh the famous baby boom right we have uh the famous baby boom generation that was you know in its 17s generation that was you know in its 17s generation that was you know in its 17s 18s 19s 20s I mean this is is the era 18s 19s 20s I mean this is is the era 18s 19s 20s I mean this is is the era where people go out and look at the where people go out and look at the where people go out and look at the world and realize it's not the way it world and realize it's not the way it world and realize it's not the way it was sold to them and they see all the was sold to them and they see all the was sold to them and they see all the injustices around them and when there's injustices around them and when there's injustices around them and when there's tons more of those people in that age tons more of those people in that age tons more of those people in that age range than there normally is you can range than there normally is you can range than there normally is you can expect something expect something expect something right and the cultural zeit starts to right and the cultural zeit starts to right and the cultural zeit starts to change I mean go look at Beatles albums change I mean go look at Beatles albums change I mean go look at Beatles albums covers if you want to see it change or covers if you want to see it change or covers if you want to see it change or go look in my family you can just go go look in my family you can just go go look in my family you can just go look at old family photographs and look at old family photographs and look at old family photographs and everybody it changes so in 1965 the year everybody it changes so in 1965 the year everybody it changes so in 1965 the year I'm born everybody sort of looks button I'm born everybody sort of looks button I'm born everybody sort of looks button down kind of gray the clothes are black down kind of gray the clothes are black down kind of gray the clothes are black and doesn't seem like a lot of color and doesn't seem like a lot of color and doesn't seem like a lot of color everybody's just short and then I mean everybody's just short and then I mean everybody's just short and then I mean within a couple of years everybody's within a couple of years everybody's within a couple of years everybody's wearing like laughing daylow colors the wearing like laughing daylow colors the wearing like laughing daylow colors the hairstyles have gotten crazy I mean it hairstyles have gotten crazy I mean it hairstyles have gotten crazy I mean it it's a it's a change that happens in it's a it's a change that happens in it's a it's a change that happens in like if I had to guess now I think three like if I had to guess now I think three like if I had to guess now I think three years and it never reached some places years and it never reached some places years and it never reached some places by the way so for example you know the by the way so for example you know the by the way so for example you know the the hip families in La New York and a the hip families in La New York and a the hip families in La New York and a bunch of other places might be doing

bunch of other places might be doing bunch of other places might be doing that it might never make it to you know that it might never make it to you know that it might never make it to you know the the farming community in the center the the farming community in the center the the farming community in the center of the country not near any big CI so of the country not near any big CI so of the country not near any big CI so that creates a divide right there that creates a divide right there that creates a divide right there there's this giant cultural revolution there's this giant cultural revolution there's this giant cultural revolution but not everybody's participating in it but not everybody's participating in it but not everybody's participating in it and the people not participating in it and the people not participating in it and the people not participating in it don't necessarily look kindly on it don't necessarily look kindly on it don't necessarily look kindly on it because it Rebels against a lot of because it Rebels against a lot of because it Rebels against a lot of things they hold things they hold things they hold dear whether we're talking about dear whether we're talking about dear whether we're talking about religious beliefs or ideas on cultural religious beliefs or ideas on cultural religious beliefs or ideas on cultural things like guns and hunting and you things like guns and hunting and you things like guns and hunting and you know I mean we all the divides we see know I mean we all the divides we see know I mean we all the divides we see now really start in Earnest during this now really start in Earnest during this now really start in Earnest during this era right we're still fighting about a era right we're still fighting about a era right we're still fighting about a bunch of the 1968 divisions and it's bunch of the 1968 divisions and it's bunch of the 1968 divisions and it's never been resolved but in 1968 I mean never been resolved but in 1968 I mean never been resolved but in 1968 I mean that's a year that there were a that's a year that there were a that's a year that there were a significant number of Americans that significant number of Americans that significant number of Americans that thought it could be resolved by some thought it could be resolved by some thought it could be resolved by some sort of Uprising or revolution student sort of Uprising or revolution student sort of Uprising or revolution student movements were everywhere universities movements were everywhere universities movements were everywhere universities would get taken over all the time uh would get taken over all the time uh would get taken over all the time uh this is also the era once again you know this is also the era once again you know this is also the era once again you know it doesn't look very unusual to us now it doesn't look very unusual to us now it doesn't look very unusual to us now where feminism was exploding gender where feminism was exploding gender where feminism was exploding gender issues and the sexuality rights issues issues and the sexuality rights issues issues and the sexuality rights issues like you know homosexuals emerg from like you know homosexuals emerg from like you know homosexuals emerg from sort of the background during this sort of the background during this sort of the background during this period where they've just sort of been a period where they've just sort of been a period where they've just sort of been a closeted group in society remember there closeted group in society remember there closeted group in society remember there were laws against some of this and uh were laws against some of this and uh were laws against some of this and uh and all of a sudden you know you have and all of a sudden you know you have and all of a sudden you know you have Stonewall and all that kind of stuff and Stonewall and all that kind of stuff and Stonewall and all that kind of stuff and things change the abortion issue becomes things change the abortion issue becomes things change the abortion issue becomes acute that's been an issue ever acute that's been an issue ever acute that's been an issue ever since the Vietnam War and the draft was since the Vietnam War and the draft was since the Vietnam War and the draft was a Perpetual threat that kept it all a Perpetual threat that kept it all a Perpetual threat that kept it all going this was sort of the um nuclear going this was sort of the um nuclear going this was sort of the um nuclear reactor that powered the whole thing

reactor that powered the whole thing reactor that powered the whole thing this is why when Nixon ends the draft in this is why when Nixon ends the draft in this is why when Nixon ends the draft in 1973 he didn't do it as a favor to 1973 he didn't do it as a favor to 1973 he didn't do it as a favor to anybody he thought it was going to be a anybody he thought it was going to be a anybody he thought it was going to be a great way great way great way to undercut all of the student protests to undercut all of the student protests to undercut all of the student protests and the anti-vietnam war protest because and the anti-vietnam war protest because and the anti-vietnam war protest because he cynically assumed and maybe had some he cynically assumed and maybe had some he cynically assumed and maybe had some was correct in some of his assumptions was correct in some of his assumptions was correct in some of his assumptions that if a lot of these people weren't that if a lot of these people weren't that if a lot of these people weren't actually threatened with having to go to actually threatened with having to go to actually threatened with having to go to war they wouldn't get up off their rear war they wouldn't get up off their rear war they wouldn't get up off their rear ends and go protest it and so that's why ends and go protest it and so that's why ends and go protest it and so that's why the draft was really ended but before it the draft was really ended but before it the draft was really ended but before it was ended it was a prime mover in was ended it was a prime mover in was ended it was a prime mover in getting people motivated to get their getting people motivated to get their getting people motivated to get their rear ends out there and protest the war rear ends out there and protest the war rear ends out there and protest the war because they didn't want to go to the because they didn't want to go to the because they didn't want to go to the war and a lot of people didn't and it war and a lot of people didn't and it war and a lot of people didn't and it wasn't missed by anyone that a lot of wasn't missed by anyone that a lot of wasn't missed by anyone that a lot of the people that didn't were in the kinds the people that didn't were in the kinds the people that didn't were in the kinds of groups in society that normally don't of groups in society that normally don't of groups in society that normally don't have to you know do some of the terrible have to you know do some of the terrible have to you know do some of the terrible jobs right I mean College deferments jobs right I mean College deferments jobs right I mean College deferments well that sort of benefits people who well that sort of benefits people who well that sort of benefits people who have money more than people who don't have money more than people who don't have money more than people who don't um if you could get a good doctor's um if you could get a good doctor's um if you could get a good doctor's report that you had some you know report that you had some you know report that you had some you know problem that made you ineligible you problem that made you ineligible you problem that made you ineligible you might not have to go it's interesting to might not have to go it's interesting to might not have to go it's interesting to look who served and who didn't and I look who served and who didn't and I look who served and who didn't and I think it was the percentage of uh for think it was the percentage of uh for think it was the percentage of uh for example African-Americans who served example African-Americans who served example African-Americans who served were like twice the number uh in the were like twice the number uh in the were like twice the number uh in the general population so there was this general population so there was this general population so there was this sense that this burden was unequally sense that this burden was unequally sense that this burden was unequally shared and that a lot of the people who shared and that a lot of the people who shared and that a lot of the people who were having to go into this war didn't were having to go into this war didn't were having to go into this war didn't have any way to vote against it and this have any way to vote against it and this have any way to vote against it and this is when the question of the voting age

is when the question of the voting age is when the question of the voting age sort of ran smack dab into the Vietnam sort of ran smack dab into the Vietnam sort of ran smack dab into the Vietnam War if if you couldn't vote till you War if if you couldn't vote till you War if if you couldn't vote till you were 21 but you could be drafted into were 21 but you could be drafted into were 21 but you could be drafted into the war when you were 18 something the war when you were 18 something the war when you were 18 something didn't seem right right it's it's didn't seem right right it's it's didn't seem right right it's it's something like taxation without something like taxation without something like taxation without representation but it's you know representation but it's you know representation but it's you know conscription without representation so conscription without representation so conscription without representation so this tied into the voting age this tied into the voting age this tied into the voting age question the interesting thing to me question the interesting thing to me question the interesting thing to me when I was working on this Sizzle reel when I was working on this Sizzle reel when I was working on this Sizzle reel was I was coming up with little thoughts was I was coming up with little thoughts was I was coming up with little thoughts and we always do this in the history and we always do this in the history and we always do this in the history podcast don't we these little things podcast don't we these little things podcast don't we these little things that just occurred to me that just are that just occurred to me that just are that just occurred to me that just are sort of interesting and one of them was sort of interesting and one of them was sort of interesting and one of them was a line I came up with almost like a a line I came up with almost like a a line I came up with almost like a marketing line you could see it on a marketing line you could see it on a marketing line you could see it on a movie poster they don't look dangerous movie poster they don't look dangerous movie poster they don't look dangerous now and it was about your now and it was about your now and it was about your grandparents right you look at your grandparents right you look at your grandparents right you look at your grandparents today they don't look grandparents today they don't look grandparents today they don't look particularly dangerous but some of them particularly dangerous but some of them particularly dangerous but some of them were were were absolutely lethal when you look at the absolutely lethal when you look at the absolutely lethal when you look at the various groups of people that were out various groups of people that were out various groups of people that were out there um in militant sort of s we there um in militant sort of s we there um in militant sort of s we mentioned all those bombings and bombing mentioned all those bombings and bombing mentioned all those bombings and bombing attempts and stuff that were going on attempts and stuff that were going on attempts and stuff that were going on who do you think did that you know your who do you think did that you know your who do you think did that you know your grandparents some of them anyway some of grandparents some of them anyway some of grandparents some of them anyway some of them were conservatives uh I mean it's them were conservatives uh I mean it's them were conservatives uh I mean it's the the the hippie side of things and the the the hippie side of things and the the the hippie side of things and the Revolutionary side of things is sort the Revolutionary side of things is sort the Revolutionary side of things is sort of always overplayed but that's always of always overplayed but that's always of always overplayed but that's always the case in society isn't it it's a the case in society isn't it it's a the case in society isn't it it's a small group sometimes of people on the small group sometimes of people on the small group sometimes of people on the activist Ed edges of the political activist Ed edges of the political activist Ed edges of the political spectrum that get all the attention or spectrum that get all the attention or spectrum that get all the attention or make the most noise that's why Richard make the most noise that's why Richard make the most noise that's why Richard Nixon had this idea of the silent Nixon had this idea of the silent Nixon had this idea of the silent majority that he always talked about

majority that he always talked about majority that he always talked about maybe there's always a silent majority maybe there's always a silent majority maybe there's always a silent majority but remember when you have like but remember when you have like but remember when you have like Hollywood on your side and they were Hollywood on your side and they were Hollywood on your side and they were embracing in Hollywood um as they often embracing in Hollywood um as they often embracing in Hollywood um as they often did they always embraced sort of did they always embraced sort of did they always embraced sort of progressive ideas and and when the progressive ideas and and when the progressive ideas and and when the progressive ideas in 19 in the late progressive ideas in 19 in the late progressive ideas in 19 in the late 1960s involved all those things we 1960s involved all those things we 1960s involved all those things we mentioned well then if you're in Lincoln mentioned well then if you're in Lincoln mentioned well then if you're in Lincoln Nebraska and you're watching you know Nebraska and you're watching you know Nebraska and you're watching you know what Hollywood's putting out in the what Hollywood's putting out in the what Hollywood's putting out in the movies and TV shows it might look like a movies and TV shows it might look like a movies and TV shows it might look like a direct assault on your values direct assault on your values direct assault on your values on the other hand to the people who on the other hand to the people who on the other hand to the people who Embrace those values that just looks Embrace those values that just looks Embrace those values that just looks like justice doesn't it so see we get like justice doesn't it so see we get like justice doesn't it so see we get that divide that divide that divide again and it starts in ' 68 and in ' 68 again and it starts in ' 68 and in ' 68 again and it starts in ' 68 and in ' 68 one side one side one side exploded and the other side had a exploded and the other side had a exploded and the other side had a counter reaction to counter reaction to counter reaction to it look at the timeline and think about it look at the timeline and think about it look at the timeline and think about what this timeline would do to us what this timeline would do to us what this timeline would do to us today first of all just like today today first of all just like today today first of all just like today imagine that you had a lot of years imagine that you had a lot of years imagine that you had a lot of years leading up to this and things have been leading up to this and things have been leading up to this and things have been progressively getting crazier and progressively getting crazier and progressively getting crazier and crazier and then 1968 Starts Now this crazier and then 1968 Starts Now this crazier and then 1968 Starts Now this masonian there's a lot of timelines for masonian there's a lot of timelines for masonian there's a lot of timelines for 1968 the smithonian has a good one and 1968 the smithonian has a good one and 1968 the smithonian has a good one and I'm going to basically follow theirs uh I'm going to basically follow theirs uh I'm going to basically follow theirs uh and leave out some I'm leaving out some and leave out some I'm leaving out some and leave out some I'm leaving out some of it that tells you this I'm leaving of it that tells you this I'm leaving of it that tells you this I'm leaving out some of it so it's worse than this out some of it so it's worse than this out some of it so it's worse than this there are assassinations that play into there are assassinations that play into there are assassinations that play into all this and we'll get into those during all this and we'll get into those during all this and we'll get into those during the timelines um there is a as we said the timelines um there is a as we said the timelines um there is a as we said earlier a president who decides not to earlier a president who decides not to earlier a president who decides not to run run run there there there is international stuff going on with

is international stuff going on with is international stuff going on with major geopolitical foreign policy events major geopolitical foreign policy events major geopolitical foreign policy events you know that come at just the wrong you know that come at just the wrong you know that come at just the wrong time coincidentally time coincidentally time coincidentally enough and there's another element enough and there's another element enough and there's another element that's one of the variables of the time that's one of the variables of the time that's one of the variables of the time period I have no idea how to quantify it period I have no idea how to quantify it period I have no idea how to quantify it either but um and I trying to figure out either but um and I trying to figure out either but um and I trying to figure out what the analogy in today would be if we what the analogy in today would be if we what the analogy in today would be if we were looking at the weird circus were looking at the weird circus were looking at the weird circus funhouse mirror but funhouse mirror but funhouse mirror but drugs and the impact of drugs and what drugs and the impact of drugs and what drugs and the impact of drugs and what we would call today influencers and we would call today influencers and we would call today influencers and music sort of a trifecta there on the music sort of a trifecta there on the music sort of a trifecta there on the society as a whole I think it's probably society as a whole I think it's probably society as a whole I think it's probably safe to say that if we exempt the safe to say that if we exempt the safe to say that if we exempt the regular accepted drugs of the society in regular accepted drugs of the society in regular accepted drugs of the society in the you know 50s let's just say I mean the you know 50s let's just say I mean the you know 50s let's just say I mean alcohol is a longstanding accepted drug alcohol is a longstanding accepted drug alcohol is a longstanding accepted drug uh tobacco all those kind of things if uh tobacco all those kind of things if uh tobacco all those kind of things if we exempt those I think it's fair to say we exempt those I think it's fair to say we exempt those I think it's fair to say that all of a sudden there were a lot of that all of a sudden there were a lot of that all of a sudden there were a lot of Americans using drugs that had never Americans using drugs that had never Americans using drugs that had never used drugs before and they were used drugs before and they were used drugs before and they were different drugs than had ever been used different drugs than had ever been used different drugs than had ever been used before marijuana was an underground sort before marijuana was an underground sort before marijuana was an underground sort of thing that hipsters and actors and of thing that hipsters and actors and of thing that hipsters and actors and some other people would use but the some other people would use but the some other people would use but the country as a whole wasn't so used to it country as a whole wasn't so used to it country as a whole wasn't so used to it until the 60s and then seemed like every until the 60s and then seemed like every until the 60s and then seemed like every young person was using it again broad young person was using it again broad young person was using it again broad generalization because a lot of people generalization because a lot of people generalization because a lot of people weren't then there was something like weren't then there was something like weren't then there was something like LSD which again how to quantify it but LSD which again how to quantify it but LSD which again how to quantify it but just look at the art just look at the just look at the art just look at the just look at the art just look at the see none of these things would have had see none of these things would have had see none of these things would have had the same impact if it hadn't bled the same impact if it hadn't bled the same impact if it hadn't bled through to popular culture which then through to popular culture which then through to popular culture which then descend minated it across the country descend minated it across the country descend minated it across the country which then influenced artists and which then influenced artists and which then influenced artists and beliefs and I mean it's a wonderful beliefs and I mean it's a wonderful beliefs and I mean it's a wonderful example looking at it in hindsight of

example looking at it in hindsight of example looking at it in hindsight of how you could you know sort of inject how you could you know sort of inject how you could you know sort of inject things into the popular culture if things into the popular culture if things into the popular culture if you're pardon the pun and watch its you're pardon the pun and watch its you're pardon the pun and watch its impact impact impact Downstream hard to quantify though what Downstream hard to quantify though what Downstream hard to quantify though what the drugs and the music and the the drugs and the music and the the drugs and the music and the connection of those things and then connection of those things and then connection of those things and then adding politics to the mix how that adding politics to the mix how that adding politics to the mix how that impacted things but a fun game to always impacted things but a fun game to always impacted things but a fun game to always play is the counterfactual game and ask play is the counterfactual game and ask play is the counterfactual game and ask yourself to view 1968 and imagine it yourself to view 1968 and imagine it yourself to view 1968 and imagine it without the impact of the without the impact of the without the impact of the drugs now you may still have it you're drugs now you may still have it you're drugs now you may still have it you're certainly going to have the Civil Rights certainly going to have the Civil Rights certainly going to have the Civil Rights stuff for example does it look different stuff for example does it look different stuff for example does it look different I don't know uh I certainly think what I don't know uh I certainly think what I don't know uh I certainly think what happened for example at like the 1968 happened for example at like the 1968 happened for example at like the 1968 Democratic National Convention and those Democratic National Convention and those Democratic National Convention and those sorts of things would be different sorts of things would be different sorts of things would be different because in that case you're not dealing because in that case you're not dealing because in that case you're not dealing with civil rights people you're dealing with civil rights people you're dealing with civil rights people you're dealing with people that are deliberately with people that are deliberately with people that are deliberately embracing the whole embracing the whole embracing the whole 1960s ethos which includes the drugs the 1960s ethos which includes the drugs the 1960s ethos which includes the drugs the music and everything music and everything music and everything else that's why we had said at the end else that's why we had said at the end else that's why we had said at the end of the script that when it comes to the of the script that when it comes to the of the script that when it comes to the Democratic National Convention Robert Democratic National Convention Robert Democratic National Convention Robert Kennedy won't be there but Abby Hoffman Kennedy won't be there but Abby Hoffman Kennedy won't be there but Abby Hoffman will if I was trying to sort of find will if I was trying to sort of find will if I was trying to sort of find what looked like the best analogy for what looked like the best analogy for what looked like the best analogy for our modern situations in that circus our modern situations in that circus our modern situations in that circus funhouse mirror um what if I said the funhouse mirror um what if I said the funhouse mirror um what if I said the social media aspect maybe plays a social media aspect maybe plays a social media aspect maybe plays a similar load bearing similar load bearing similar load bearing foundational element to the current foundational element to the current foundational element to the current situation that the drugs did in the situation that the drugs did in the situation that the drugs did in the 1960s in the same way you can't imagine

1960s in the same way you can't imagine 1960s in the same way you can't imagine 1968 without the drug aspect playing its 1968 without the drug aspect playing its 1968 without the drug aspect playing its important role can you imagine us being important role can you imagine us being important role can you imagine us being in the situation we're in right now in the situation we're in right now in the situation we're in right now without the impact of the social media without the impact of the social media without the impact of the social media and the connectivity and all and the connectivity and all and the connectivity and all that I mean we could start going down that I mean we could start going down that I mean we could start going down this rabbit hole and there's a lot of this rabbit hole and there's a lot of this rabbit hole and there's a lot of weird things I mean in the 1960s it was weird things I mean in the 1960s it was weird things I mean in the 1960s it was governments of the world thinking that governments of the world thinking that governments of the world thinking that the Communists were using the Communists were using the Communists were using all of the left-wing revolutionaries and all of the left-wing revolutionaries and all of the left-wing revolutionaries and they're not so radical uh liberal they're not so radical uh liberal they're not so radical uh liberal Brethren to divide the country and Brethren to divide the country and Brethren to divide the country and undermine the values and all that kind undermine the values and all that kind undermine the values and all that kind of stuff now the same thing is thought of stuff now the same thing is thought of stuff now the same thing is thought by governments but they're worried about by governments but they're worried about by governments but they're worried about Russia instead of the Soviet Union uh Russia instead of the Soviet Union uh Russia instead of the Soviet Union uh undermining and dividing the country by undermining and dividing the country by undermining and dividing the country by appealing to right-wing America I mean appealing to right-wing America I mean appealing to right-wing America I mean it's it's fascinating like I said circus it's it's fascinating like I said circus it's it's fascinating like I said circus fun house Mir kind of fun house Mir kind of fun house Mir kind of feeling but maybe if we're writing this feeling but maybe if we're writing this feeling but maybe if we're writing this story today it's the social media and story today it's the social media and story today it's the social media and all that that forms one of the key all that that forms one of the key all that that forms one of the key building blocks that when future building blocks that when future building blocks that when future historians look back on the now from the historians look back on the now from the historians look back on the now from the future they're going to say was an future they're going to say was an future they're going to say was an integral element to the whole you know integral element to the whole you know integral element to the whole you know Witches Brew of the future problems that Witches Brew of the future problems that Witches Brew of the future problems that we may or may not have depending on how we may or may not have depending on how we may or may not have depending on how things things things go so as I said there's a timeline here go so as I said there's a timeline here go so as I said there's a timeline here you can follow and there's a lot of 1968 you can follow and there's a lot of 1968 you can follow and there's a lot of 1968 timelines this one I'm using is from timelines this one I'm using is from timelines this one I'm using is from Smithsonian mag we'll put a link to it Smithsonian mag we'll put a link to it Smithsonian mag we'll put a link to it in the show notes but I'm I'm just sort in the show notes but I'm I'm just sort in the show notes but I'm I'm just sort of skimming it and I'm leaving a bunch of skimming it and I'm leaving a bunch of skimming it and I'm leaving a bunch of stuff out which is crazy as I said of stuff out which is crazy as I said of stuff out which is crazy as I said earlier if you look at the timeline and

earlier if you look at the timeline and earlier if you look at the timeline and you just imagine living through these you just imagine living through these you just imagine living through these events Bam Bam Bam Bam while already events Bam Bam Bam Bam while already events Bam Bam Bam Bam while already sort of being primed by the previous few sort of being primed by the previous few sort of being primed by the previous few years for being maybe nervous or seeing years for being maybe nervous or seeing years for being maybe nervous or seeing things as what did I say earlier things as what did I say earlier things as what did I say earlier pregnant with pregnant with pregnant with disaster so start on January 30th so the disaster so start on January 30th so the disaster so start on January 30th so the end of January just the big first month end of January just the big first month end of January just the big first month of the year of the year of the year uh the Ted offensive happens as we had uh the Ted offensive happens as we had uh the Ted offensive happens as we had said earlier I believe the Ted offensive said earlier I believe the Ted offensive said earlier I believe the Ted offensive was um the funny thing is is from a was um the funny thing is is from a was um the funny thing is is from a military perspective it's a disaster for military perspective it's a disaster for military perspective it's a disaster for the north they lose so many people they the north they lose so many people they the north they lose so many people they have uh it took them years to recover have uh it took them years to recover have uh it took them years to recover but war is not always about body counts but war is not always about body counts but war is not always about body counts right in fact it often isn't and by right in fact it often isn't and by right in fact it often isn't and by sending a message almost directly to the sending a message almost directly to the sending a message almost directly to the American public specifically but to the American public specifically but to the American public specifically but to the rest of the world that how can the light rest of the world that how can the light rest of the world that how can the light be at the end of the tunnel when we can be at the end of the tunnel when we can be at the end of the tunnel when we can still do this it was a capsize moment still do this it was a capsize moment still do this it was a capsize moment for us public opinion and so in that for us public opinion and so in that for us public opinion and so in that sense in the Claus witan sense right war sense in the Claus witan sense right war sense in the Claus witan sense right war is policy by other means or politics by is policy by other means or politics by is policy by other means or politics by other means you got to call the Ted other means you got to call the Ted other means you got to call the Ted offensive a victory even if from a you offensive a victory even if from a you offensive a victory even if from a you know tactical military standpoint or an know tactical military standpoint or an know tactical military standpoint or an operational military standpoint I mean operational military standpoint I mean operational military standpoint I mean it looks like a total loss but all the it looks like a total loss but all the it looks like a total loss but all the people that were sacrificed in that loss people that were sacrificed in that loss people that were sacrificed in that loss ended up creating the conditions where ended up creating the conditions where ended up creating the conditions where eventually the north wins eventually the north wins eventually the north wins I like this entry on February 7th I like this entry on February 7th I like this entry on February 7th according to the Smithsonian mag according to the Smithsonian mag according to the Smithsonian mag timeline this is what they write after a timeline this is what they write after a timeline this is what they write after a battle for the Vietnamese Village of

battle for the Vietnamese Village of battle for the Vietnamese Village of bentree almost certainly a bentree almost certainly a bentree almost certainly a mispronunciation an American officer mispronunciation an American officer mispronunciation an American officer tells Associated Press reporter Peter tells Associated Press reporter Peter tells Associated Press reporter Peter arnat quote it became necessary to arnat quote it became necessary to arnat quote it became necessary to destroy the town in order to save it end destroy the town in order to save it end destroy the town in order to save it end quote the quotation it says here printed quote the quotation it says here printed quote the quotation it says here printed in newspapers Nationwide becomes a in newspapers Nationwide becomes a in newspapers Nationwide becomes a catchphrase for opponents of the the catchphrase for opponents of the the catchphrase for opponents of the the Vietnam Vietnam Vietnam War I remember it too it became War I remember it too it became War I remember it too it became necessary to destroy the village in necessary to destroy the village in necessary to destroy the village in order to save it it sort of exemplified order to save it it sort of exemplified order to save it it sort of exemplified some of the just strange aspects the um some of the just strange aspects the um some of the just strange aspects the um Doctor Strange lovian type aspects of Doctor Strange lovian type aspects of Doctor Strange lovian type aspects of the war sometimes February 8th which is the war sometimes February 8th which is the war sometimes February 8th which is the very next day this entry quote at the very next day this entry quote at the very next day this entry quote at the South Carolina State campus police the South Carolina State campus police the South Carolina State campus police open fire on students protesting open fire on students protesting open fire on students protesting segregation at orangeburg's only bowling segregation at orangeburg's only bowling segregation at orangeburg's only bowling alley three protesters died and 27 more alley three protesters died and 27 more alley three protesters died and 27 more are wounded nine officers are tried and are wounded nine officers are tried and are wounded nine officers are tried and acquitted of charges related to the use acquitted of charges related to the use acquitted of charges related to the use of force a protest coordinator is of force a protest coordinator is of force a protest coordinator is convicted of inciting to Riot serves s convicted of inciting to Riot serves s convicted of inciting to Riot serves s months in prison and is pardoned 25 months in prison and is pardoned 25 months in prison and is pardoned 25 years years years later none of these things by themselves later none of these things by themselves later none of these things by themselves is enough but every single one of them is enough but every single one of them is enough but every single one of them is another straw on the camel's back is another straw on the camel's back is another straw on the camel's back right February 27th is when you have the right February 27th is when you have the right February 27th is when you have the famous Walter kronite you know saying on famous Walter kronite you know saying on famous Walter kronite you know saying on television that the war is ired in television that the war is ired in television that the war is ired in stalemate the most trusted man in stalemate the most trusted man in stalemate the most trusted man in America right that was his nickname uh America right that was his nickname uh America right that was his nickname uh that's pretty big if you're the that's pretty big if you're the that's pretty big if you're the administration LBJ and the Democrats administration LBJ and the Democrats administration LBJ and the Democrats couldn't have been too happy about couldn't have been too happy about couldn't have been too happy about that on February 29th you get that kerer

that on February 29th you get that kerer that on February 29th you get that kerer commission I said kenon the kerer commission I said kenon the kerer commission I said kenon the kerer commission report uh that said that the commission report uh that said that the commission report uh that said that the society is moving towards two separate society is moving towards two separate society is moving towards two separate and unequal societies one black and one and unequal societies one black and one and unequal societies one black and one white a few days later for a whole week white a few days later for a whole week white a few days later for a whole week 15,000 Latino high school students in La 15,000 Latino high school students in La 15,000 Latino high school students in La walk out of classes to protest uh and walk out of classes to protest uh and walk out of classes to protest uh and demand uh better demand uh better demand uh better education on March 5th so all happening education on March 5th so all happening education on March 5th so all happening in the same week the government of in the same week the government of in the same week the government of Czechoslovakia this is what I meant when Czechoslovakia this is what I meant when Czechoslovakia this is what I meant when I said that there's International stuff I said that there's International stuff I said that there's International stuff going on which we can relate to today going on which we can relate to today going on which we can relate to today can't we don't we have a ton of can't we don't we have a ton of can't we don't we have a ton of international stuff going on now you international stuff going on now you international stuff going on now you know look at your headlines I mean know look at your headlines I mean know look at your headlines I mean Ukraine the Middle East I mean China Ukraine the Middle East I mean China Ukraine the Middle East I mean China it's all um in this situation the Soviet it's all um in this situation the Soviet it's all um in this situation the Soviet Union which after the second world war Union which after the second world war Union which after the second world war occupied a bunch of you know Sovereign occupied a bunch of you know Sovereign occupied a bunch of you know Sovereign Nations uh they became the upack places Nations uh they became the upack places Nations uh they became the upack places like you know Poland Czechoslovakia East like you know Poland Czechoslovakia East like you know Poland Czechoslovakia East Germany um Romania Germany um Romania Germany um Romania Bulgaria places like that were all um Bulgaria places like that were all um Bulgaria places like that were all um incorporated into the Soviet Union and incorporated into the Soviet Union and incorporated into the Soviet Union and over time some of them would attempt to over time some of them would attempt to over time some of them would attempt to either break away or loosen you know the either break away or loosen you know the either break away or loosen you know the hold of the Communists on their society hold of the Communists on their society hold of the Communists on their society in Czechoslovakia had something called in Czechoslovakia had something called in Czechoslovakia had something called the the Prague spring in 1968 and on the the Prague spring in 1968 and on the the Prague spring in 1968 and on March 5th the entry says the government March 5th the entry says the government March 5th the entry says the government of Czechoslovakia abolishes censorship of Czechoslovakia abolishes censorship of Czechoslovakia abolishes censorship underscoring the expansion of Freedom underscoring the expansion of Freedom underscoring the expansion of Freedom during the Prague spring and angering during the Prague spring and angering during the Prague spring and angering its communist overlords in the Soviet its communist overlords in the Soviet its communist overlords in the Soviet Union on March 16th Robert F Kennedy

Union on March 16th Robert F Kennedy Union on March 16th Robert F Kennedy entered the presidential entered the presidential entered the presidential race this happened after only like three race this happened after only like three race this happened after only like three or four days after a primary which or four days after a primary which or four days after a primary which showed that a peace candidate running showed that a peace candidate running showed that a peace candidate running against the sitting president LBJ Lyndon against the sitting president LBJ Lyndon against the sitting president LBJ Lyndon Johnson was performing shockingly strong Johnson was performing shockingly strong Johnson was performing shockingly strong against him and Robert F Kennedy was against him and Robert F Kennedy was against him and Robert F Kennedy was basically running on a similar peace basically running on a similar peace basically running on a similar peace agenda but was a much more high profile agenda but was a much more high profile agenda but was a much more high profile candidate he'd been the Attorney General candidate he'd been the Attorney General candidate he'd been the Attorney General he's part of that you know Camelot thing he's part of that you know Camelot thing he's part of that you know Camelot thing that gives him a special shine and when that gives him a special shine and when that gives him a special shine and when he enters the race the um Smithsonian he enters the race the um Smithsonian he enters the race the um Smithsonian mag timeline says that the M that he mag timeline says that the M that he mag timeline says that the M that he said that the McCarthy showing in New said that the McCarthy showing in New said that the McCarthy showing in New Hampshire quote has proven how deep are Hampshire quote has proven how deep are Hampshire quote has proven how deep are the present divisions within our party the present divisions within our party the present divisions within our party and Country it is now unmistakably clear and Country it is now unmistakably clear and Country it is now unmistakably clear that we can change these disastrous that we can change these disastrous that we can change these disastrous divisive policies only by changing the divisive policies only by changing the divisive policies only by changing the men who make them end quote something men who make them end quote something men who make them end quote something else happened on March 16th but nobody's else happened on March 16th but nobody's else happened on March 16th but nobody's going to know about it in the general going to know about it in the general going to know about it in the general public for about a year and a half public for about a year and a half public for about a year and a half November 1969 I think the news hit on November 1969 I think the news hit on November 1969 I think the news hit on March 16th when Robert F Kennedy is March 16th when Robert F Kennedy is March 16th when Robert F Kennedy is entering the race the Mei Massacre entering the race the Mei Massacre entering the race the Mei Massacre happens in happens in happens in Vietnam the mili Massacre is one of the Vietnam the mili Massacre is one of the Vietnam the mili Massacre is one of the worst atrocities in US military history worst atrocities in US military history worst atrocities in US military history there's just no getting around that there's just no getting around that there's just no getting around that American troops patrolling an area American troops patrolling an area American troops patrolling an area around uh uh numerous Villages that they around uh uh numerous Villages that they around uh uh numerous Villages that they referred to as pinkville because they referred to as pinkville because they referred to as pinkville because they thought them communist sympathizer thought them communist sympathizer thought them communist sympathizer Villages American forces went on what Villages American forces went on what Villages American forces went on what can probably best be described as some

can probably best be described as some can probably best be described as some kind of a kind of a kind of a rampage um and killed between 350 and rampage um and killed between 350 and rampage um and killed between 350 and 500 villagers overwhelmingly women 500 villagers overwhelmingly women 500 villagers overwhelmingly women children infants old children infants old children infants old men we're not talking about killing men we're not talking about killing men we're not talking about killing fighting age males fighting age males fighting age males it had all the Hallmarks of the sorts of it had all the Hallmarks of the sorts of it had all the Hallmarks of the sorts of atrocities one normally expects American atrocities one normally expects American atrocities one normally expects American forces to be fighting against right gang forces to be fighting against right gang forces to be fighting against right gang rapes I mean it was it was just it was rapes I mean it was it was just it was rapes I mean it was it was just it was so offbrand is a good way to put it now so offbrand is a good way to put it now so offbrand is a good way to put it now no Army is clean right we all understand no Army is clean right we all understand no Army is clean right we all understand the myths of that but the American the myths of that but the American the myths of that but the American Army's sort of brand is the good guys Army's sort of brand is the good guys Army's sort of brand is the good guys right the white hats we're not the right the white hats we're not the right the white hats we're not the people that do all the horrible things people that do all the horrible things people that do all the horrible things so in a way this is just another so in a way this is just another so in a way this is just another American institution that's getting American institution that's getting American institution that's getting tarnished and that's losing its luster tarnished and that's losing its luster tarnished and that's losing its luster the same way the presidency is losing the same way the presidency is losing the same way the presidency is losing its automatic trust that the American its automatic trust that the American its automatic trust that the American people um previously had always sort of people um previously had always sort of people um previously had always sort of defaulted the government with the defaulted the government with the defaulted the government with the military is the same sort of way and military is the same sort of way and military is the same sort of way and when it starts acting like this one gets when it starts acting like this one gets when it starts acting like this one gets the sense you know that even the best the sense you know that even the best the sense you know that even the best and brightest the young people overseas and brightest the young people overseas and brightest the young people overseas putting their life on the line you know putting their life on the line you know putting their life on the line you know to protect us in our way of life even to protect us in our way of life even to protect us in our way of life even they've been broken by the they've been broken by the they've been broken by the times and the kinds of stories you saw times and the kinds of stories you saw times and the kinds of stories you saw by the way uh played into this that the by the way uh played into this that the by the way uh played into this that the US Army was drug addicted unmotivated uh US Army was drug addicted unmotivated uh US Army was drug addicted unmotivated uh brutal I mean brutal I mean brutal I mean it's there was a sense if you read the

it's there was a sense if you read the it's there was a sense if you read the Memoirs of people who were in The colen Memoirs of people who were in The colen Memoirs of people who were in The colen Powell generation right the guys who Powell generation right the guys who Powell generation right the guys who were the junior officers in Vietnam when were the junior officers in Vietnam when were the junior officers in Vietnam when they are dissecting what went wrong and they are dissecting what went wrong and they are dissecting what went wrong and the general feeling is it took a decade the general feeling is it took a decade the general feeling is it took a decade to to to rebuild the capacities and capabilities rebuild the capacities and capabilities rebuild the capacities and capabilities of the military that had been worn down of the military that had been worn down of the military that had been worn down like a pencil to a point where incidents like a pencil to a point where incidents like a pencil to a point where incidents were happening that just would have been were happening that just would have been were happening that just would have been Unthinkable a few years before I mean Unthinkable a few years before I mean Unthinkable a few years before I mean the number of officers that were getting the number of officers that were getting the number of officers that were getting killed by their own troops is just was killed by their own troops is just was killed by their own troops is just was it's an unacceptable military number in it's an unacceptable military number in it's an unacceptable military number in the American Military it was a symptom the American Military it was a symptom the American Military it was a symptom of something and it was a symptom that of something and it was a symptom that of something and it was a symptom that the rest of the country was feeling too the rest of the country was feeling too the rest of the country was feeling too in a citizen in any army but especially in a citizen in any army but especially in a citizen in any army but especially a citizen conscript Army what's going on a citizen conscript Army what's going on a citizen conscript Army what's going on back at home home that's part of the back at home home that's part of the back at home home that's part of the cultural zeist is going to make its way cultural zeist is going to make its way cultural zeist is going to make its way to the fighting forces and the tip of to the fighting forces and the tip of to the fighting forces and the tip of the spear the spear the spear eventually by 1968 a significant amount eventually by 1968 a significant amount eventually by 1968 a significant amount of the sharpness of the tip of the spear of the sharpness of the tip of the spear of the sharpness of the tip of the spear has whittel away and with all the other has whittel away and with all the other has whittel away and with all the other stuff going on in Vietnam and when the stuff going on in Vietnam and when the stuff going on in Vietnam and when the argument is to save the people from the argument is to save the people from the argument is to save the people from the Communists um 350 to 500 villagers it Communists um 350 to 500 villagers it Communists um 350 to 500 villagers it was absolutely awful uh the American was absolutely awful uh the American was absolutely awful uh the American public nobody will become public nobody will become public nobody will become knowledgeable of this for a while so it knowledgeable of this for a while so it knowledgeable of this for a while so it doesn't impact the 1968 level of tension doesn't impact the 1968 level of tension doesn't impact the 1968 level of tension but you better believe when it comes out but you better believe when it comes out but you better believe when it comes out in November in November in November 1969 that it 1969 that it 1969 that it will March 31st so like two weeks later will March 31st so like two weeks later will March 31st so like two weeks later Lyndon Johnson surprising almost

Lyndon Johnson surprising almost Lyndon Johnson surprising almost everybody drops out of the presidential everybody drops out of the presidential everybody drops out of the presidential race we can relate to that right now race we can relate to that right now race we can relate to that right now can't we and by the way just like now um can't we and by the way just like now um can't we and by the way just like now um without a lot of time until the without a lot of time until the without a lot of time until the convention convention convention now we're quite a bit shorter than that now we're quite a bit shorter than that now we're quite a bit shorter than that today but at the time it opened today but at the time it opened today but at the time it opened everything wide but the end was um you everything wide but the end was um you everything wide but the end was um you know the ultimate shocker when he said know the ultimate shocker when he said know the ultimate shocker when he said this I do not this I do not this I do not believe that I should devote an hour our believe that I should devote an hour our believe that I should devote an hour our day of my time to any personal partisan day of my time to any personal partisan day of my time to any personal partisan causes or to any duties causes or to any duties causes or to any duties other than the awesome other than the awesome other than the awesome duties of this office duties of this office duties of this office the the the presidency of your country presidency of your country presidency of your country accordingly I shall not accordingly I shall not accordingly I shall not seek and I will not seek and I will not seek and I will not accept the nomination of my party for accept the nomination of my party for accept the nomination of my party for another term as your president but let men president but let men everywhere know everywhere know everywhere know however that a strong and a confident however that a strong and a confident however that a strong and a confident and a Vigilant and a Vigilant and a Vigilant America stands ready tonight to seek an America stands ready tonight to seek an America stands ready tonight to seek an honorable honorable honorable peace and stands ready tonight to defend peace and stands ready tonight to defend peace and stands ready tonight to defend an honored cause whatever the price an honored cause whatever the price an honored cause whatever the price whatever the burden whatever the

whatever the burden whatever the whatever the burden whatever the sacrifice that Duty may sacrifice that Duty may sacrifice that Duty may require thank you for require thank you for require thank you for listening good night and God bless all listening good night and God bless all listening good night and God bless all smithonian m says that on April 3rd smithonian m says that on April 3rd smithonian m says that on April 3rd which is what 3 days later uh a thousand which is what 3 days later uh a thousand which is what 3 days later uh a thousand or so Men return their draft card to or so Men return their draft card to or so Men return their draft card to government offices all over the country government offices all over the country government offices all over the country so this was happening routinely with so this was happening routinely with so this was happening routinely with people burning their draft cards but if people burning their draft cards but if people burning their draft cards but if a thousand people on the same day return a thousand people on the same day return a thousand people on the same day return their draft cards uh to government their draft cards uh to government their draft cards uh to government offices that's a protest but what do you offices that's a protest but what do you offices that's a protest but what do you do I mean you can jail some people but do I mean you can jail some people but do I mean you can jail some people but at a certain point at a certain point at a certain point um that's an interesting problem to have um that's an interesting problem to have um that's an interesting problem to have in a free Society isn't in a free Society isn't in a free Society isn't it what's the critical mass number by it what's the critical mass number by it what's the critical mass number by which you can no longer punish which you can no longer punish which you can no longer punish people on April 4th which is the next people on April 4th which is the next people on April 4th which is the next day Martin Luther King is assassinated day Martin Luther King is assassinated day Martin Luther King is assassinated in in in Memphis um by a guy who uh you know if Memphis um by a guy who uh you know if Memphis um by a guy who uh you know if you say this you're going to get some you say this you're going to get some you say this you're going to get some push back because uh Martin Luther push back because uh Martin Luther push back because uh Martin Luther King's assassination is like others in King's assassination is like others in King's assassination is like others in the period where there's it's a it's a the period where there's it's a it's a the period where there's it's a it's a conspiracy type thing and whether or not conspiracy type thing and whether or not conspiracy type thing and whether or not James Earl Ray was really the ass all James Earl Ray was really the ass all James Earl Ray was really the ass all this stuff I mean if you're playing the this stuff I mean if you're playing the this stuff I mean if you're playing the aams razor thing James Earl Ray who was aams razor thing James Earl Ray who was aams razor thing James Earl Ray who was basically a white supremacist type basically a white supremacist type basically a white supremacist type thinker uh killed MLK but of course you thinker uh killed MLK but of course you thinker uh killed MLK but of course you know he says a guy named Raul was know he says a guy named Raul was know he says a guy named Raul was working with I mean so I don't know but working with I mean so I don't know but working with I mean so I don't know but that's the that's the situation and that's the that's the situation and that's the that's the situation and that's how it would have been seen at that's how it would have been seen at that's how it would have been seen at the the the time so if you're measuring an event time so if you're measuring an event time so if you're measuring an event like this um from the standards of the

like this um from the standards of the like this um from the standards of the people who are viewing it based on the people who are viewing it based on the people who are viewing it based on the information they would have had at the information they would have had at the information they would have had at the time period as far as they knew some time period as far as they knew some time period as far as they knew some white supremacist killed Martin Luther white supremacist killed Martin Luther white supremacist killed Martin Luther King with a rifle while he was on a King with a rifle while he was on a King with a rifle while he was on a balcony balcony balcony the more than a 100 cities that the more than a 100 cities that the more than a 100 cities that experienc riots over the next week saw experienc riots over the next week saw experienc riots over the next week saw almost 40 people killed more than 2600 almost 40 people killed more than 2600 almost 40 people killed more than 2600 injured and 21,000 arrested as I believe injured and 21,000 arrested as I believe injured and 21,000 arrested as I believe we said we said we said earlier and two days later there's a earlier and two days later there's a earlier and two days later there's a 90minut shootout between Black Panthers 90minut shootout between Black Panthers 90minut shootout between Black Panthers and the police in and the police in and the police in Oakland so again think about if you're Oakland so again think about if you're Oakland so again think about if you're watching your TV news and the TV news watching your TV news and the TV news watching your TV news and the TV news was was Tik Tock social media a word of was was Tik Tock social media a word of was was Tik Tock social media a word of mouth satellite it's everything we have mouth satellite it's everything we have mouth satellite it's everything we have today rolled into one in terms of its today rolled into one in terms of its today rolled into one in terms of its its ability to its ability to its ability to influence on April 23rd there's a famous influence on April 23rd there's a famous influence on April 23rd there's a famous student protest at Columbia University student protest at Columbia University student protest at Columbia University where they take over five buildings and where they take over five buildings and where they take over five buildings and briefly hold a Dean hostage they call briefly hold a Dean hostage they call briefly hold a Dean hostage they call for the University to cut its ties to for the University to cut its ties to for the University to cut its ties to military military military research and when the police are finally research and when the police are finally research and when the police are finally called in bring in a thousand officers called in bring in a thousand officers called in bring in a thousand officers arrest more than 700 people and the arrest more than 700 people and the arrest more than 700 people and the injuries total more than 130 students injuries total more than 130 students injuries total more than 130 students four faculty and 12 officers again none four faculty and 12 officers again none four faculty and 12 officers again none of these things by themselves break the of these things by themselves break the of these things by themselves break the camels back but it's another camels back but it's another camels back but it's another straw the Smithsonian mag then has an straw the Smithsonian mag then has an straw the Smithsonian mag then has an entry that um gives us a sense of this

entry that um gives us a sense of this entry that um gives us a sense of this being a global phenomenon and not being a global phenomenon and not being a global phenomenon and not connected specifically to the US at all connected specifically to the US at all connected specifically to the US at all when they talk about the uh the May 6 when they talk about the uh the May 6 when they talk about the uh the May 6 riots that breakout in Paris between riots that breakout in Paris between riots that breakout in Paris between police and 5,000 more than 5,000 police and 5,000 more than 5,000 police and 5,000 more than 5,000 University students and then sympathy University students and then sympathy University students and then sympathy strikes threatening the French economy strikes threatening the French economy strikes threatening the French economy breakout within a week the story here breakout within a week the story here breakout within a week the story here says another says another says another straw this is an interesting entry on straw this is an interesting entry on straw this is an interesting entry on May 27th the Supreme Court rules 7:1 May 27th the Supreme Court rules 7:1 May 27th the Supreme Court rules 7:1 that burning a draft card is not an act that burning a draft card is not an act that burning a draft card is not an act of free speech protected by the First of free speech protected by the First of free speech protected by the First Amendment so there's a free speech Amendment so there's a free speech Amendment so there's a free speech limitation how do you feel about that limitation how do you feel about that limitation how do you feel about that that's an interesting question to that's an interesting question to that's an interesting question to ask on June 4th I mean think about how ask on June 4th I mean think about how ask on June 4th I mean think about how quickly all these things are happening quickly all these things are happening quickly all these things are happening on June 4th Robert F Kennedy in Los on June 4th Robert F Kennedy in Los on June 4th Robert F Kennedy in Los Angeles celebrating a uh primary win is Angeles celebrating a uh primary win is Angeles celebrating a uh primary win is assassinated at The Ambassador Hotel is assassinated at The Ambassador Hotel is assassinated at The Ambassador Hotel is a famous scene again another conspiracy a famous scene again another conspiracy a famous scene again another conspiracy story whether you believe Siran Sirhan story whether you believe Siran Sirhan story whether you believe Siran Sirhan acted alone or was the shooter or not uh acted alone or was the shooter or not uh acted alone or was the shooter or not uh it is amazing how many of these kinds of it is amazing how many of these kinds of it is amazing how many of these kinds of things we have during this time period things we have during this time period things we have during this time period and and these sorts of things have a way and and these sorts of things have a way and and these sorts of things have a way of filtering into the psyche of the of filtering into the psyche of the of filtering into the psyche of the population hurting and and deepening population hurting and and deepening population hurting and and deepening that credibility gap you know we talked that credibility gap you know we talked that credibility gap you know we talked about earlier and look at the effect now about earlier and look at the effect now about earlier and look at the effect now after decades I mean the whole idea I after decades I mean the whole idea I after decades I mean the whole idea I mean nobody believes anything anymore mean nobody believes anything anymore mean nobody believes anything anymore everything's a conspiracy now and this everything's a conspiracy now and this everything's a conspiracy now and this is all this is the era where that starts is all this is the era where that starts is all this is the era where that starts to happen because the broad majority of to happen because the broad majority of to happen because the broad majority of people especially in the United States people especially in the United States people especially in the United States before this era um believed right they

before this era um believed right they before this era um believed right they didn't believe the conspiracy theories didn't believe the conspiracy theories didn't believe the conspiracy theories they believe the official line and the they believe the official line and the they believe the official line and the people who didn't were were very Fringe people who didn't were were very Fringe people who didn't were were very Fringe and and small numbers of people and that and and small numbers of people and that and and small numbers of people and that begins to change when you have major begins to change when you have major begins to change when you have major people assassinated and conspiracy people assassinated and conspiracy people assassinated and conspiracy theories and let's be honest in a lot of theories and let's be honest in a lot of theories and let's be honest in a lot of these cases you know not wild but but these cases you know not wild but but these cases you know not wild but but worth talking about conspiracy theories worth talking about conspiracy theories worth talking about conspiracy theories begin to you know shatter your faith in begin to you know shatter your faith in begin to you know shatter your faith in the reality As Told to you by you know the reality As Told to you by you know the reality As Told to you by you know those who are in power according to the those who are in power according to the those who are in power according to the Smithsonian mag on July Smithsonian mag on July Smithsonian mag on July 23rd uh in Cleveland the Glen Ville 23rd uh in Cleveland the Glen Ville 23rd uh in Cleveland the Glen Ville shootout between police and black shootout between police and black shootout between police and black militants leaves three dead on each side militants leaves three dead on each side militants leaves three dead on each side plus one bystander this leads the plus one bystander this leads the plus one bystander this leads the timeline entry says to riots rocking the timeline entry says to riots rocking the timeline entry says to riots rocking the city for five city for five city for five days this is an interesting entry and days this is an interesting entry and days this is an interesting entry and reminds us of the Zeitgeist of the time reminds us of the Zeitgeist of the time reminds us of the Zeitgeist of the time and all these different inputs we were and all these different inputs we were and all these different inputs we were talking about that were sort of talking about that were sort of talking about that were sort of shattering the traditional Norms of the shattering the traditional Norms of the shattering the traditional Norms of the culture at large on July 25th the pope culture at large on July 25th the pope culture at large on July 25th the pope reaffirming uh the Roman Catholic reaffirming uh the Roman Catholic reaffirming uh the Roman Catholic Church's opposition to artificial Church's opposition to artificial Church's opposition to artificial contraception issues a sort of ruling if contraception issues a sort of ruling if contraception issues a sort of ruling if you will so no artificial contraception you will so no artificial contraception you will so no artificial contraception if you're a Catholic the pill comes if you're a Catholic the pill comes if you're a Catholic the pill comes around the birth control pill during around the birth control pill during around the birth control pill during this time period and is always cited as this time period and is always cited as this time period and is always cited as one of the Revolutionary changes that one of the Revolutionary changes that one of the Revolutionary changes that creates this this new Society right this creates this this new Society right this creates this this new Society right this revolutionary new thing that in three revolutionary new thing that in three revolutionary new thing that in three years as I said if I look at the old years as I said if I look at the old years as I said if I look at the old family photographs transforms my family

family photographs transforms my family family photographs transforms my family from a bunch of people that look like from a bunch of people that look like from a bunch of people that look like they're in the 1950s to you know daylow they're in the 1950s to you know daylow they're in the 1950s to you know daylow 197 7s people 197 7s people 197 7s people almost on August 20th the Soviet Union almost on August 20th the Soviet Union almost on August 20th the Soviet Union invades invades invades Czechoslovakia stopping the Prague Czechoslovakia stopping the Prague Czechoslovakia stopping the Prague spring and doing spring and doing spring and doing so in a way that the rest of the world so in a way that the rest of the world so in a way that the rest of the world feels powerless to respond to because of feels powerless to respond to because of feels powerless to respond to because of the whole nuclear weapons issue and the the whole nuclear weapons issue and the the whole nuclear weapons issue and the Soviet Union forget the Czechoslovakia Soviet Union forget the Czechoslovakia Soviet Union forget the Czechoslovakia angle if Czechoslovakia is allowed to angle if Czechoslovakia is allowed to angle if Czechoslovakia is allowed to get away with these uh liberalizing get away with these uh liberalizing get away with these uh liberalizing things than all of the other nations things than all of the other nations things than all of the other nations that the Soviet Union sort of has under that the Soviet Union sort of has under that the Soviet Union sort of has under their thumb are going to be tempted to their thumb are going to be tempted to their thumb are going to be tempted to do it too so everyone's watching so this do it too so everyone's watching so this do it too so everyone's watching so this is a message it's cracking down in is a message it's cracking down in is a message it's cracking down in Czechoslovakia but also saying to Czechoslovakia but also saying to Czechoslovakia but also saying to everyone else don't think about doing everyone else don't think about doing everyone else don't think about doing the same the same the same thing and the same thing had happened in thing and the same thing had happened in thing and the same thing had happened in Hungary in the 1950s it would happen in Hungary in the 1950s it would happen in Hungary in the 1950s it would happen in Poland in the 1980s uh the Poland in the 1980s uh the Poland in the 1980s uh the Czechoslovakia uh the Prague spring uh Czechoslovakia uh the Prague spring uh Czechoslovakia uh the Prague spring uh gets slammed down hard on August 20th gets slammed down hard on August 20th gets slammed down hard on August 20th and that ratchets up Global tensions of and that ratchets up Global tensions of and that ratchets up Global tensions of course and then on August 28th you get course and then on August 28th you get course and then on August 28th you get the Democratic National the Democratic National the Democratic National Convention where everyone knows a giant Convention where everyone knows a giant Convention where everyone knows a giant demonstration is demonstration is demonstration is planned and the mayor of Chicago has planned and the mayor of Chicago has planned and the mayor of Chicago has sort of made public statements that Law sort of made public statements that Law sort of made public statements that Law and Order is going to Prevail because and Order is going to Prevail because and Order is going to Prevail because he's heard the rumors he's ratcheted up he's heard the rumors he's ratcheted up he's heard the rumors he's ratcheted up the number of you know police and the number of you know police and the number of you know police and security that he's going to have and and security that he's going to have and and security that he's going to have and and the demonstrators are going to be there the demonstrators are going to be there the demonstrators are going to be there too they're basically anti-war

too they're basically anti-war too they're basically anti-war demonstrators but a lot of different demonstrators but a lot of different demonstrators but a lot of different groups are attracted I have never seen groups are attracted I have never seen groups are attracted I have never seen good numbers good numbers good numbers uh for the size of the number of uh for the size of the number of uh for the size of the number of demonstrators but when you look at the demonstrators but when you look at the demonstrators but when you look at the size of the forces that the city and um size of the forces that the city and um size of the forces that the city and um even the national government has arrayed even the national government has arrayed even the national government has arrayed against them in the streets of Chicago against them in the streets of Chicago against them in the streets of Chicago during the 68 convention and they have during the 68 convention and they have during the 68 convention and they have their hands full by the way you have to their hands full by the way you have to their hands full by the way you have to assume it's assume it's assume it's large the interesting part about it from large the interesting part about it from large the interesting part about it from a historical perspective specifically is a historical perspective specifically is a historical perspective specifically is that this is a televised event it is a that this is a televised event it is a that this is a televised event it is a globally televised event generation globally televised event generation globally televised event generation beforehand it wouldn't have been like beforehand it wouldn't have been like beforehand it wouldn't have been like this but as the chanting of the this but as the chanting of the this but as the chanting of the protesters would reveal to everybody protesters would reveal to everybody protesters would reveal to everybody during the entire event they were saying during the entire event they were saying during the entire event they were saying the whole world is watching and it was the whole world is watching and it was the whole world is watching and it was and what they and what they and what they saw well there's nothing quite like it saw well there's nothing quite like it saw well there's nothing quite like it it's something uh that was referred to it's something uh that was referred to it's something uh that was referred to by an investigator who looked into it by an investigator who looked into it by an investigator who looked into it afterwards as a police Riot but afterwards as a police Riot but afterwards as a police Riot but reporters were involved byst standards reporters were involved byst standards reporters were involved byst standards were involved um one of my favorite were involved um one of my favorite were involved um one of my favorite parts of the whole thing as an MC5 fan parts of the whole thing as an MC5 fan parts of the whole thing as an MC5 fan is that there were supposed to be a is that there were supposed to be a is that there were supposed to be a bunch of musicians arriving to play this bunch of musicians arriving to play this bunch of musicians arriving to play this event before it started and only one event before it started and only one event before it started and only one band showed up the the Revolutionary band showed up the the Revolutionary band showed up the the Revolutionary band right that pushed for all these band right that pushed for all these band right that pushed for all these revolutionary things to the MC5 and we revolutionary things to the MC5 and we revolutionary things to the MC5 and we lost the last two members of the MC5 lost the last two members of the MC5 lost the last two members of the MC5 early this year 2024 one of them was early this year 2024 one of them was early this year 2024 one of them was Wayne Kramer and I was talking to what I Wayne Kramer and I was talking to what I Wayne Kramer and I was talking to what I assume was Wayne Kramer's wife for the

assume was Wayne Kramer's wife for the assume was Wayne Kramer's wife for the longest time trying to do a show with longest time trying to do a show with longest time trying to do a show with him and HHA by the way about the history him and HHA by the way about the history him and HHA by the way about the history of that that era and the music uh they of that that era and the music uh they of that that era and the music uh they played and when that ended all hell kind played and when that ended all hell kind played and when that ended all hell kind of broke of broke of broke loose and the whole world was loose and the whole world was loose and the whole world was watching I have some stats here um watching I have some stats here um watching I have some stats here um showing the size of the forces AR raay showing the size of the forces AR raay showing the size of the forces AR raay against the demonstrators there were against the demonstrators there were against the demonstrators there were 12,000 Chicago Police 5,000 Army troops 12,000 Chicago Police 5,000 Army troops 12,000 Chicago Police 5,000 Army troops 6,000 National Guards troops and this is 6,000 National Guards troops and this is 6,000 National Guards troops and this is an interesting side here I read that 43 an interesting side here I read that 43 an interesting side here I read that 43 soldiers were Court marshaled afterwards soldiers were Court marshaled afterwards soldiers were Court marshaled afterwards because they refused Duty that day because they refused Duty that day because they refused Duty that day because they believed in the values of because they believed in the values of because they believed in the values of the people the people the people protesting and what was going on outside protesting and what was going on outside protesting and what was going on outside the convention sort of made its way into the convention sort of made its way into the convention sort of made its way into the convention when people who were the convention when people who were the convention when people who were speaking at the microphone um would make speaking at the microphone um would make speaking at the microphone um would make reference to you know what they call reference to you know what they call reference to you know what they call gestapo tactics right outside the gestapo tactics right outside the gestapo tactics right outside the door now now there's an interesting door now now there's an interesting door now now there's an interesting lesson in this by the way that I think lesson in this by the way that I think lesson in this by the way that I think runs through a lot of these kinds of runs through a lot of these kinds of runs through a lot of these kinds of movements and revolutionary movements and revolutionary movements and revolutionary eras where the very activities of those eras where the very activities of those eras where the very activities of those on the Revolutionary change side of on the Revolutionary change side of on the Revolutionary change side of things create a backlash that gives them things create a backlash that gives them things create a backlash that gives them an end result that's the exact opposite an end result that's the exact opposite an end result that's the exact opposite of what they

of what they of what they wanted Abby Hoffman had said because of wanted Abby Hoffman had said because of wanted Abby Hoffman had said because of our actions in Chicago Richard Nixon our actions in Chicago Richard Nixon our actions in Chicago Richard Nixon will be elected and uh if I remember the will be elected and uh if I remember the will be elected and uh if I remember the context of the quote he wasn't all that context of the quote he wasn't all that context of the quote he wasn't all that unhappy about it but he might have lived unhappy about it but he might have lived unhappy about it but he might have lived to regret that to regret that to regret that one that is a problem though that one that is a problem though that one that is a problem though that extremists on either side often provoke extremists on either side often provoke extremists on either side often provoke a backlash from what Nixon called as we a backlash from what Nixon called as we a backlash from what Nixon called as we said earlier the silent majority which said earlier the silent majority which said earlier the silent majority which sometimes their overriding concern is sometimes their overriding concern is sometimes their overriding concern is Law and Order and stability and Richard Law and Order and stability and Richard Law and Order and stability and Richard Nixon ran on a Law and Order platform in Nixon ran on a Law and Order platform in Nixon ran on a Law and Order platform in 1968 and he 1968 and he 1968 and he won and that was definitely the won and that was definitely the won and that was definitely the candidate that most of the people on the candidate that most of the people on the candidate that most of the people on the you know revolutionary Side Of The you know revolutionary Side Of The you know revolutionary Side Of The Ledger uh that was the candidate they Ledger uh that was the candidate they Ledger uh that was the candidate they least wanted on October 2nd again to show that wanted on October 2nd again to show that this was a global thing in Mexico City this was a global thing in Mexico City this was a global thing in Mexico City police and troops fire on a student L police and troops fire on a student L police and troops fire on a student L protest the Smithsonian mag then uh protest the Smithsonian mag then uh protest the Smithsonian mag then uh deals with the interesting question of deals with the interesting question of deals with the interesting question of how many people died by saying um police how many people died by saying um police how many people died by saying um police and troops fire on a student Le protest and troops fire on a student Le protest and troops fire on a student Le protest killing or wounding thousands the killing or wounding thousands the killing or wounding thousands the precise number is still precise number is still precise number is still unknown on October 16th in the Olympics unknown on October 16th in the Olympics unknown on October 16th in the Olympics Americans Tommy Smith and John Carlos Americans Tommy Smith and John Carlos Americans Tommy Smith and John Carlos receiving the gold and bronze medals in receiving the gold and bronze medals in receiving the gold and bronze medals in the 200 yard dash raised their gloved the 200 yard dash raised their gloved the 200 yard dash raised their gloved fist to the national anthem to protest fist to the national anthem to protest fist to the national anthem to protest violence towards and poverty among violence towards and poverty among violence towards and poverty among African-Americans the next day the

African-Americans the next day the African-Americans the next day the Smithsonian timeline says the Smithsonian timeline says the Smithsonian timeline says the international Olympic Committee strips international Olympic Committee strips international Olympic Committee strips their medals and sends them their medals and sends them their medals and sends them home on November 5th Nixon wins the home on November 5th Nixon wins the home on November 5th Nixon wins the presidency barely beating um Hubert presidency barely beating um Hubert presidency barely beating um Hubert hrey and the segregationist candidate as hrey and the segregationist candidate as hrey and the segregationist candidate as the smithonian timeline points out the smithonian timeline points out the smithonian timeline points out George Wallace uh carried five southern George Wallace uh carried five southern George Wallace uh carried five southern states this is in 1968 folks carried states this is in 1968 folks carried states this is in 1968 folks carried five southern five southern five southern states that was back when the South was states that was back when the South was states that was back when the South was a solidly democratic stronghold the a solidly democratic stronghold the a solidly democratic stronghold the called dixie crats and the northern called dixie crats and the northern called dixie crats and the northern Democrats and the southern Democrats Democrats and the southern Democrats Democrats and the southern Democrats were not like each other at all but they were not like each other at all but they were not like each other at all but they work together to win elections and staff work together to win elections and staff work together to win elections and staff administrations and all that kind of administrations and all that kind of administrations and all that kind of stuff but the South was moving away from stuff but the South was moving away from stuff but the South was moving away from the Democrats starting in the 60s Nixon the Democrats starting in the 60s Nixon the Democrats starting in the 60s Nixon had his famous southern strategy to pull had his famous southern strategy to pull had his famous southern strategy to pull away more the states and Reagan's uh away more the states and Reagan's uh away more the states and Reagan's uh campaign was very good at that too and campaign was very good at that too and campaign was very good at that too and turn the South basically turn the South basically turn the South basically Republican and in terms of the things Republican and in terms of the things Republican and in terms of the things that impact what we're talking about that impact what we're talking about that impact what we're talking about here that that's basically those are the here that that's basically those are the here that that's basically those are the that's the high Watermark of that list that's the high Watermark of that list that's the high Watermark of that list and you try to imagine living through and you try to imagine living through and you try to imagine living through that in real that in real that in real time after already being primed for this time after already being primed for this time after already being primed for this by the previous few years and it's by the previous few years and it's by the previous few years and it's interesting to contemplate how well we interesting to contemplate how well we interesting to contemplate how well we would be able to adapt to that level of would be able to adapt to that level of would be able to adapt to that level of change and shattering number of events change and shattering number of events change and shattering number of events um happening that um happening that um happening that quickly you would feel like things were quickly you would feel like things were quickly you would feel like things were falling apart wouldn't falling apart wouldn't falling apart wouldn't you one of the things that was a Twist you one of the things that was a Twist you one of the things that was a Twist in that Sizzle reel I was working on in that Sizzle reel I was working on in that Sizzle reel I was working on because you know I always have to have

because you know I always have to have because you know I always have to have those twists those twists those twists um sort of these weird ways of looking um sort of these weird ways of looking um sort of these weird ways of looking at I always compared to sort of Twilight at I always compared to sort of Twilight at I always compared to sort of Twilight Zone type things but one of the elements Zone type things but one of the elements Zone type things but one of the elements the TV show was going to have was the TV show was going to have was the TV show was going to have was Recreations and I didn't want to do Recreations and I didn't want to do Recreations and I didn't want to do Recreations of historical events because Recreations of historical events because Recreations of historical events because I always think they look a little cheesy I always think they look a little cheesy I always think they look a little cheesy but I didn't mind the idea of doing but I didn't mind the idea of doing but I didn't mind the idea of doing Recreations of things that had never Recreations of things that had never Recreations of things that had never happened and I thought well if you had happened and I thought well if you had happened and I thought well if you had today's 21st century Homeland Security today's 21st century Homeland Security today's 21st century Homeland Security tactics laws powers and all those kinds tactics laws powers and all those kinds tactics laws powers and all those kinds of things right the post 911 America in of things right the post 911 America in of things right the post 911 America in 1968 how would things have been 1968 how would things have been 1968 how would things have been different and so we filmed a recreation different and so we filmed a recreation different and so we filmed a recreation scene of Abby Hoffman in his you know scene of Abby Hoffman in his you know scene of Abby Hoffman in his you know trademark famous American flag shirt trademark famous American flag shirt trademark famous American flag shirt being waterboarded by the being waterboarded by the being waterboarded by the authorities I was told this did not go authorities I was told this did not go authorities I was told this did not go over well with some of the viewing over well with some of the viewing over well with some of the viewing audience who looked at the sizzle reel audience who looked at the sizzle reel audience who looked at the sizzle reel but to me it was the key piece because but to me it was the key piece because but to me it was the key piece because it was the part that made what was it was the part that made what was it was the part that made what was happening in ' 68 a relevant sort of happening in ' 68 a relevant sort of happening in ' 68 a relevant sort of thing to look at today and say h could thing to look at today and say h could thing to look at today and say h could we have gotten away with that level of we have gotten away with that level of we have gotten away with that level of dissent today and then of course the dissent today and then of course the dissent today and then of course the next question is should next question is should next question is should we right I mean what's a good reason to we right I mean what's a good reason to we right I mean what's a good reason to have a revolution as we said and isn't have a revolution as we said and isn't have a revolution as we said and isn't it a little like deciding on the old it a little like deciding on the old it a little like deciding on the old game show Let's Make a Deal what's game show Let's Make a Deal what's game show Let's Make a Deal what's behind door number two we don't like behind door number two we don't like behind door number two we don't like what we have now so we're going to open what we have now so we're going to open what we have now so we're going to open up the door and hope we get better um up the door and hope we get better um up the door and hope we get better um that's what I mean about a revolution that's what I mean about a revolution that's what I mean about a revolution sort of being uh sort of being uh sort of being uh uh a bit of a crapshoot you don't know uh a bit of a crapshoot you don't know uh a bit of a crapshoot you don't know if you're getting an American Revolution if you're getting an American Revolution if you're getting an American Revolution or a Bolshevik one in in terms of the

or a Bolshevik one in in terms of the or a Bolshevik one in in terms of the outcome and even the Russian Revolution outcome and even the Russian Revolution outcome and even the Russian Revolution I mean there were several different I mean there were several different I mean there were several different stages where different groups were in stages where different groups were in stages where different groups were in charge and it might have looked like a charge and it might have looked like a charge and it might have looked like a liberal Revolution for 5 minutes till it didn't I told you earlier I have some didn't I told you earlier I have some quotes here that I wrote down that when quotes here that I wrote down that when quotes here that I wrote down that when taken together you get this sort of taken together you get this sort of taken together you get this sort of picture of things I mean like when the picture of things I mean like when the picture of things I mean like when the bombing started that that's a crazy bombing started that that's a crazy bombing started that that's a crazy element in this I just don't know what element in this I just don't know what element in this I just don't know what we would even do today with with the we would even do today with with the we would even do today with with the level of bombings but um they asked a level of bombings but um they asked a level of bombings but um they asked a group of you know sort of television group of you know sort of television group of you know sort of television Savvy radicals if they were behind a Savvy radicals if they were behind a Savvy radicals if they were behind a bombing that had recently happened and bombing that had recently happened and bombing that had recently happened and they had a great line they said we they had a great line they said we they had a great line they said we didn't do it but we dug it and that didn't do it but we dug it and that didn't do it but we dug it and that gives you a sense of the times right gives you a sense of the times right gives you a sense of the times right they're not just saying that they're they're not just saying that they're they're not just saying that they're that's calculated to appeal to the that's calculated to appeal to the that's calculated to appeal to the people who believe as they do it's an people who believe as they do it's an people who believe as they do it's an interesting time period in American interesting time period in American interesting time period in American history um listen to these history um listen to these history um listen to these quotes I already read the first one but quotes I already read the first one but quotes I already read the first one but it's worth reading again it's Martin it's worth reading again it's Martin it's worth reading again it's Martin Luther King when he said we cannot stand Luther King when he said we cannot stand Luther King when he said we cannot stand two more Summers like last summer two more Summers like last summer two more Summers like last summer without leading inevitably to a without leading inevitably to a without leading inevitably to a right-wing Takeover in a fascist right-wing Takeover in a fascist right-wing Takeover in a fascist State how about this one alienation is State how about this one alienation is State how about this one alienation is when your country is at War and you want when your country is at War and you want when your country is at War and you want the other side to the other side to the other side to win that was um the cover of a 1969 win that was um the cover of a 1969 win that was um the cover of a 1969 issue of rampart's magazine which was a issue of rampart's magazine which was a issue of rampart's magazine which was a a leftwing a leftwing a leftwing magazine it said it was shown under a magazine it said it was shown under a magazine it said it was shown under a picture of an All-American Huck fin like picture of an All-American Huck fin like picture of an All-American Huck fin like six-year-old boy waving a Viet Kong flag six-year-old boy waving a Viet Kong flag six-year-old boy waving a Viet Kong flag that was the adversary in the V Vietnam that was the adversary in the V Vietnam that was the adversary in the V Vietnam War and how about this chant ho ho hoien

War and how about this chant ho ho hoien War and how about this chant ho ho hoien the NLF is going to win that's the North the NLF is going to win that's the North the NLF is going to win that's the North Vietnamese that are military was Vietnamese that are military was Vietnamese that are military was fighting and that was a US protester slogan oh this is so I wrote down this slogan oh this is so I wrote down this one this is what Charles Manson had said one this is what Charles Manson had said one this is what Charles Manson had said in court um it's interesting if you go in court um it's interesting if you go in court um it's interesting if you go back now and you look at some of the back now and you look at some of the back now and you look at some of the underground newspapers and stuff that underground newspapers and stuff that underground newspapers and stuff that catered sort of to the radical crowd on catered sort of to the radical crowd on catered sort of to the radical crowd on the left in the 1960s and see that for a the left in the 1960s and see that for a the left in the 1960s and see that for a little while Charles Manson was sort of little while Charles Manson was sort of little while Charles Manson was sort of not a terrible guy uh eventually of not a terrible guy uh eventually of not a terrible guy uh eventually of course everything changes but there was course everything changes but there was course everything changes but there was a sort of an element of he's one of us a sort of an element of he's one of us a sort of an element of he's one of us maybe and um he said in his trial and I maybe and um he said in his trial and I maybe and um he said in his trial and I quoted it here quote I haven't got any quoted it here quote I haven't got any quoted it here quote I haven't got any guilt about anything because I've never guilt about anything because I've never guilt about anything because I've never been able to see any wrong I've always been able to see any wrong I've always been able to see any wrong I've always said do what your love tells you and I said do what your love tells you and I said do what your love tells you and I do what my love tells do what my love tells do what my love tells me now it says three dots here which me now it says three dots here which me now it says three dots here which means it's just giving you highlights is means it's just giving you highlights is means it's just giving you highlights is it my fault that your children do what it my fault that your children do what it my fault that your children do what you do what about your children you say you do what about your children you say you do what about your children you say there's just a few there are many many there's just a few there are many many there's just a few there are many many more coming in the same direction more coming in the same direction more coming in the same direction they're running in the streets and they're running in the streets and they're running in the streets and they're coming right at they're coming right at they're coming right at you end quote that's one of the great you end quote that's one of the great you end quote that's one of the great Charles Manson lines isn't it but but Charles Manson lines isn't it but but Charles Manson lines isn't it but but that's a sense of maybe how a society that's a sense of maybe how a society that's a sense of maybe how a society might have felt when they're kind of might have felt when they're kind of might have felt when they're kind of scared of their own kids what do we say scared of their own kids what do we say scared of their own kids what do we say right the they may be your grandparents right the they may be your grandparents right the they may be your grandparents and they don't look dangerous now but and they don't look dangerous now but and they don't look dangerous now but once upon a time hairy and scary

once upon a time hairy and scary once upon a time hairy and scary right and I tend to believe that in right and I tend to believe that in right and I tend to believe that in whatever period you're talking about whatever period you're talking about whatever period you're talking about when you're talking about um an outsize when you're talking about um an outsize when you're talking about um an outsize amount of influence on the part of amount of influence on the part of amount of influence on the part of people at the extremes of the political people at the extremes of the political people at the extremes of the political Spectrum right extreme left extreme Spectrum right extreme left extreme Spectrum right extreme left extreme right whatever it might be I tend to right whatever it might be I tend to right whatever it might be I tend to believe that's a small amount of people believe that's a small amount of people believe that's a small amount of people and they tend to get an outsize amount and they tend to get an outsize amount and they tend to get an outsize amount of attention right I think they know of attention right I think they know of attention right I think they know that too they more influence than their that too they more influence than their that too they more influence than their actual numbers might warrant but if you actual numbers might warrant but if you actual numbers might warrant but if you think and I'm not so sure this isn't think and I'm not so sure this isn't think and I'm not so sure this isn't true if you consider the percentage of true if you consider the percentage of true if you consider the percentage of people that are prone to radicalization people that are prone to radicalization people that are prone to radicalization to be a constant let's say 3% of the to be a constant let's say 3% of the to be a constant let's say 3% of the people in normal times because it might people in normal times because it might people in normal times because it might fluctuate in rough times but if you say fluctuate in rough times but if you say fluctuate in rough times but if you say 3% of the people are prone to 3% of the people are prone to 3% of the people are prone to radicalization and you have more people radicalization and you have more people radicalization and you have more people than you've ever had in the history of than you've ever had in the history of than you've ever had in the history of the world and they just happen to be the world and they just happen to be the world and they just happen to be between those ages say 17 to 25 years between those ages say 17 to 25 years between those ages say 17 to 25 years old where you know people are most prone old where you know people are most prone old where you know people are most prone to being extreme politically well maybe to being extreme politically well maybe to being extreme politically well maybe it's the same percentage of radicals it's the same percentage of radicals it's the same percentage of radicals you've always had there's just more of you've always had there's just more of you've always had there's just more of them you know in real terms I don't know them you know in real terms I don't know them you know in real terms I don't know but if you're in Middle America and you but if you're in Middle America and you but if you're in Middle America and you hear somebody from the Weather hear somebody from the Weather hear somebody from the Weather Underground who had a public meeting and Underground who had a public meeting and Underground who had a public meeting and some of the quotes were published I mean some of the quotes were published I mean some of the quotes were published I mean what would you think about your children what would you think about your children what would you think about your children you know who are already growing their you know who are already growing their you know who are already growing their hair over the years and looking pretty hair over the years and looking pretty hair over the years and looking pretty funky and hanging out with weird people funky and hanging out with weird people funky and hanging out with weird people and dressing strange and listening to and dressing strange and listening to and dressing strange and listening to Strange Music and what's that smell I Strange Music and what's that smell I Strange Music and what's that smell I sometimes smell in their car um and then sometimes smell in their car um and then sometimes smell in their car um and then you hear stuff like this what would you you hear stuff like this what would you you hear stuff like this what would you think in his book days of Rage author

think in his book days of Rage author think in his book days of Rage author Brian burrow wrote this quote few Brian burrow wrote this quote few Brian burrow wrote this quote few Gatherings Illustrated the dark Gatherings Illustrated the dark Gatherings Illustrated the dark Borderlands between the end of the 60s Borderlands between the end of the 60s Borderlands between the end of the 60s and the onset of the 70s more clearly and the onset of the 70s more clearly and the onset of the 70s more clearly than the one weathermen held in the days than the one weathermen held in the days than the one weathermen held in the days between Christmas 1969 and New Year's between Christmas 1969 and New Year's between Christmas 1969 and New Year's 1970 build as the national war council 1970 build as the national war council 1970 build as the national war council or wargasm it was the pepper Rally from or wargasm it was the pepper Rally from or wargasm it was the pepper Rally from Hell A 5-day orgy of violent rhetoric Hell A 5-day orgy of violent rhetoric Hell A 5-day orgy of violent rhetoric intended to set the stage for the intended to set the stage for the intended to set the stage for the underground Revolution the leadership underground Revolution the leadership underground Revolution the leadership was now ready to begin it was held in a was now ready to begin it was held in a was now ready to begin it was held in a Tumbl Down dance hall in the heart of a Tumbl Down dance hall in the heart of a Tumbl Down dance hall in the heart of a Flint Michigan ghetto on his arrival Flint Michigan ghetto on his arrival Flint Michigan ghetto on his arrival Mark Rudd who continued to have doubts Mark Rudd who continued to have doubts Mark Rudd who continued to have doubts about their plans fingered a hole in the about their plans fingered a hole in the about their plans fingered a hole in the plywood front door the result of a plywood front door the result of a plywood front door the result of a shotgun slug that had killed a patron shotgun slug that had killed a patron shotgun slug that had killed a patron just the night before and thought how just the night before and thought how just the night before and thought how appropriate the Detroit Collective appropriate the Detroit Collective appropriate the Detroit Collective burrow writes had handled the burrow writes had handled the burrow writes had handled the decorations hanging large psychedelic decorations hanging large psychedelic decorations hanging large psychedelic portraits of Castro Shay guara hoochi portraits of Castro Shay guara hoochi portraits of Castro Shay guara hoochi Min mauo Malcolm X and eldrich Cleaver Min mauo Malcolm X and eldrich Cleaver Min mauo Malcolm X and eldrich Cleaver one wall was lined with posters of the one wall was lined with posters of the one wall was lined with posters of the Fallen Fred Hampton above the stage they Fallen Fred Hampton above the stage they Fallen Fred Hampton above the stage they had hung their centerpiece a 6- foot had hung their centerpiece a 6- foot had hung their centerpiece a 6- foot cardboard machine gun end quote one cardboard machine gun end quote one cardboard machine gun end quote one attendee said we're against everything attendee said we're against everything attendee said we're against everything that's good and decent in honky America that's good and decent in honky America that's good and decent in honky America and also that we will burn and loot and and also that we will burn and loot and and also that we will burn and loot and Destroy we are the incubation of your Destroy we are the incubation of your Destroy we are the incubation of your Mother's

Nightmare another laughed at the recent Nightmare another laughed at the recent Manson Murders which I believe were on Manson Murders which I believe were on Manson Murders which I believe were on trial at the time uh talking about how trial at the time uh talking about how trial at the time uh talking about how they stuck a fork in one of the victims they stuck a fork in one of the victims they stuck a fork in one of the victims and how Wild that was and burough says and how Wild that was and burough says and how Wild that was and burough says for the rest of the meeting attendees for the rest of the meeting attendees for the rest of the meeting attendees were doing sort of a sideways peace sign were doing sort of a sideways peace sign were doing sort of a sideways peace sign symbolizing the fork it's like sticking symbolizing the fork it's like sticking symbolizing the fork it's like sticking it to the Man it to the Man it to the Man literally but let's understand something literally but let's understand something literally but let's understand something the outsize amount of attention these the outsize amount of attention these the outsize amount of attention these people get play their role in dividing people get play their role in dividing people get play their role in dividing America and making the generations more America and making the generations more America and making the generations more suspicious of each other but in real suspicious of each other but in real suspicious of each other but in real terms the number of people who probably terms the number of people who probably terms the number of people who probably ascribe to such extreme beliefs is ascribe to such extreme beliefs is ascribe to such extreme beliefs is small this may be something that's true small this may be something that's true small this may be something that's true in most in most in most times but this is the bleeding edge and times but this is the bleeding edge and times but this is the bleeding edge and the bleeding edge of the other side of the bleeding edge of the other side of the bleeding edge of the other side of was just as you know off the was just as you know off the was just as you know off the map yeah here's a quote nothing is more map yeah here's a quote nothing is more map yeah here's a quote nothing is more American than Revolution that's Jerry American than Revolution that's Jerry American than Revolution that's Jerry Rubin the famous yippe members line and Rubin the famous yippe members line and Rubin the famous yippe members line and then there's President Eisenhower right then there's President Eisenhower right then there's President Eisenhower right the general who was so important in the the general who was so important in the the general who was so important in the second world war who was president for second world war who was president for second world war who was president for two terms in the 1950s who a lot of the two terms in the 1950s who a lot of the two terms in the 1950s who a lot of the more traditional elements of America saw more traditional elements of America saw more traditional elements of America saw as a person who preserved the Norman as a person who preserved the Norman as a person who preserved the Norman Rockwell you know side of America that's Rockwell you know side of America that's Rockwell you know side of America that's got gotten so screwed up by the 1960s got gotten so screwed up by the 1960s got gotten so screwed up by the 1960s and he said the anti-war protesters were and he said the anti-war protesters were and he said the anti-war protesters were guilty of rebellion and were giving Aid guilty of rebellion and were giving Aid guilty of rebellion and were giving Aid and comfort to the enemy so these are and comfort to the enemy so these are and comfort to the enemy so these are battle lines

battle lines battle lines right governments around the world right governments around the world right governments around the world thought this is communist inspired you thought this is communist inspired you thought this is communist inspired you you hear I mean from all the US you hear I mean from all the US you hear I mean from all the US presidents to leaders of France and all presidents to leaders of France and all presidents to leaders of France and all these other countries saying that this these other countries saying that this these other countries saying that this is orchestrated stuff especially when is orchestrated stuff especially when is orchestrated stuff especially when you see these riots appear all at once you see these riots appear all at once you see these riots appear all at once and that something's behind them so you and that something's behind them so you and that something's behind them so you have this sense of society being under have this sense of society being under have this sense of society being under siege by the very enemy that they've siege by the very enemy that they've siege by the very enemy that they've been worried about for decades and been worried about for decades and been worried about for decades and decades communism and that communism is decades communism and that communism is decades communism and that communism is undermining their youth their values and undermining their youth their values and undermining their youth their values and sending them out in the streets to sending them out in the streets to sending them out in the streets to protest the very people who are trying protest the very people who are trying protest the very people who are trying to keep the country from going to keep the country from going to keep the country from going communist there's a section here on my communist there's a section here on my communist there's a section here on my notes that says random interesting notes that says random interesting notes that says random interesting notes and uh there's two in there the notes and uh there's two in there the notes and uh there's two in there the first one is the Black Panthers were first one is the Black Panthers were first one is the Black Panthers were calling for exempting blacks from calling for exempting blacks from calling for exempting blacks from military service they were 11% of the military service they were 11% of the military service they were 11% of the population but made up 23% of the troops population but made up 23% of the troops population but made up 23% of the troops fighting in Vietnam in an army of draes fighting in Vietnam in an army of draes fighting in Vietnam in an army of draes I wrote freeing all blacks from prison I wrote freeing all blacks from prison I wrote freeing all blacks from prison and demanding that all future Trials of and demanding that all future Trials of and demanding that all future Trials of blacks be held with all black juries blacks be held with all black juries blacks be held with all black juries they were feeding hungry children in they were feeding hungry children in they were feeding hungry children in Oakland while parading in menacing Oakland while parading in menacing Oakland while parading in menacing clothes with rifles in the clothes with rifles in the clothes with rifles in the streets well I don't know how I feel streets well I don't know how I feel streets well I don't know how I feel about the parading with rifles in the about the parading with rifles in the about the parading with rifles in the streets part but some of that other streets part but some of that other streets part but some of that other stuff is rather rather interesting if we stuff is rather rather interesting if we stuff is rather rather interesting if we think about the idea of juries of our think about the idea of juries of our think about the idea of juries of our peers and how that um would go I these peers and how that um would go I these peers and how that um would go I these are fascinating things though that you are fascinating things though that you are fascinating things though that you you hear something like that today and you hear something like that today and you hear something like that today and if you did a poll on it and took out the

if you did a poll on it and took out the if you did a poll on it and took out the Black Panthers part which might Black Panthers part which might Black Panthers part which might influence you know what people would say influence you know what people would say influence you know what people would say I wonder what sort of reaction you'd get I wonder what sort of reaction you'd get I wonder what sort of reaction you'd get here's another one of the random here's another one of the random here's another one of the random interesting notes I made at least seven interesting notes I made at least seven interesting notes I made at least seven Americans lit themselves on fire self Americans lit themselves on fire self Americans lit themselves on fire self imulation as part of protest in the war imulation as part of protest in the war imulation as part of protest in the war in Vietnam and an attempt to Garner in Vietnam and an attempt to Garner in Vietnam and an attempt to Garner attention for their cause many of them attention for their cause many of them attention for their cause many of them did so I wrote because they had did so I wrote because they had did so I wrote because they had religious beliefs that were anti-war religious beliefs that were anti-war religious beliefs that were anti-war Quakers Catholics Etc and then I ended Quakers Catholics Etc and then I ended Quakers Catholics Etc and then I ended with almost all of them died and then there's the part I died and then there's the part I entitled The Deep question so if you entitled The Deep question so if you entitled The Deep question so if you ever hear our open where the late great ever hear our open where the late great ever hear our open where the late great wonderful Bill Barrett you know sort of wonderful Bill Barrett you know sort of wonderful Bill Barrett you know sort of lists what the show is about the Imaging lists what the show is about the Imaging lists what the show is about the Imaging of the show it's you know uh the the of the show it's you know uh the the of the show it's you know uh the the Deep Thoughts the deep questions those Deep Thoughts the deep questions those Deep Thoughts the deep questions those kinds of things are all part of it the kinds of things are all part of it the kinds of things are all part of it the Twilight Zone twists are all part of it Twilight Zone twists are all part of it Twilight Zone twists are all part of it um so my first deep question was how um so my first deep question was how um so my first deep question was how much much much destabilization should a free Society be destabilization should a free Society be destabilization should a free Society be willing to put up with what is the limit before a with what is the limit before a government is government is government is Justified spying on things like their Justified spying on things like their Justified spying on things like their ideological dissidence right when is it ideological dissidence right when is it ideological dissidence right when is it okay to say the government should be okay to say the government should be okay to say the government should be spying on people like that then I wrote spying on people like that then I wrote spying on people like that then I wrote what if the D izers aren't some foreign what if the D izers aren't some foreign what if the D izers aren't some foreign element but a significant percentage of element but a significant percentage of element but a significant percentage of your own young people exhibiting your own young people exhibiting your own young people exhibiting radically different views from their radically different views from their radically different views from their Elders so when we talk about Elders so when we talk about Elders so when we talk about destabilization in a free Society what

destabilization in a free Society what destabilization in a free Society what if the destabilization is generational got another deep question generational got another deep question here I wrote what if you thought the here I wrote what if you thought the here I wrote what if you thought the policies of your country were wrong or policies of your country were wrong or policies of your country were wrong or immoral what would you be willing to do immoral what would you be willing to do immoral what would you be willing to do to change the situation what if you felt to change the situation what if you felt to change the situation what if you felt that the traditional Avenues of change that the traditional Avenues of change that the traditional Avenues of change built into the system offered no way to built into the system offered no way to built into the system offered no way to do this anymore what would you be do this anymore what would you be do this anymore what would you be willing to do protest break the law self willing to do protest break the law self willing to do protest break the law self imulation violence is that ever imulation violence is that ever imulation violence is that ever Justified if so Justified if so Justified if so when another question I'd written down when another question I'd written down when another question I'd written down in my notes was this one I wrote what if in my notes was this one I wrote what if in my notes was this one I wrote what if an extremist bombed a building to combat an extremist bombed a building to combat an extremist bombed a building to combat a situation a situation a situation that you yourself oppose right this idea that you yourself oppose right this idea that you yourself oppose right this idea that um you know what they're bombing is that um you know what they're bombing is that um you know what they're bombing is something you feel very strongly about something you feel very strongly about something you feel very strongly about too right you're on the same side as the too right you're on the same side as the too right you're on the same side as the person that took it farther than you person that took it farther than you person that took it farther than you would likely take it right that gets would likely take it right that gets would likely take it right that gets back to that quote we said we didn't do back to that quote we said we didn't do back to that quote we said we didn't do it but we dug it but we dug it but we dug it that's a good question to ask in the it that's a good question to ask in the it that's a good question to ask in the future if somebody does something future if somebody does something future if somebody does something extreme that you would never do but extreme that you would never do but extreme that you would never do but you're on the same side of them you're on the same side of them you're on the same side of them ideologically how do you handle that here's another deep questions on here here's another deep questions on here which I've alluded to already a little which I've alluded to already a little which I've alluded to already a little bit but it's more specific how different bit but it's more specific how different bit but it's more specific how different would our post 911 21st century World would our post 911 21st century World would our post 911 21st century World handle the circumstances of those in the handle the circumstances of those in the handle the circumstances of those in the late 1960s early 197s would black

late 1960s early 197s would black late 1960s early 197s would black panther or Weather Underground members panther or Weather Underground members panther or Weather Underground members be sent to Guantanamo would we dare be sent to Guantanamo would we dare be sent to Guantanamo would we dare water board or use post 911 enhanced water board or use post 911 enhanced water board or use post 911 enhanced interrogation techniques on them for interrogation techniques on them for interrogation techniques on them for info on future violence groups may have info on future violence groups may have info on future violence groups may have in the planning stages right if you know in the planning stages right if you know in the planning stages right if you know you you You' planted a bomb somewhere do you you You' planted a bomb somewhere do you you You' planted a bomb somewhere do we get to waterboard you to find out we get to waterboard you to find out we get to waterboard you to find out um in the late um in the late um in the late 1960s they might have been taken 1960s they might have been taken 1960s they might have been taken downstairs to a private level of the downstairs to a private level of the downstairs to a private level of the police station and beaten with the phone police station and beaten with the phone police station and beaten with the phone book till the information came out but book till the information came out but book till the information came out but nobody would have asserted it was legal nobody would have asserted it was legal nobody would have asserted it was legal in the post 911 World they may have a in the post 911 World they may have a in the post 911 World they may have a few laws on their side if they want to few laws on their side if they want to few laws on their side if they want to do the functional do the functional do the functional equivalent I wrote this like I said 11 equivalent I wrote this like I said 11 equivalent I wrote this like I said 11 years ago 10 years ago here's another years ago 10 years ago here's another years ago 10 years ago here's another question quote what if the views of question quote what if the views of question quote what if the views of protesters in the future are the protesters in the future are the protesters in the future are the equivalent of giving Aid and comfort to equivalent of giving Aid and comfort to equivalent of giving Aid and comfort to our enemies I said maybe show a video of our enemies I said maybe show a video of our enemies I said maybe show a video of 1960s protesters waving a North 1960s protesters waving a North 1960s protesters waving a North Vietnamese flag at a US anti-war Vietnamese flag at a US anti-war Vietnamese flag at a US anti-war demonstration and morph it into an demonstration and morph it into an demonstration and morph it into an Al-Qaeda one in the Green Screen Video Al-Qaeda one in the Green Screen Video Al-Qaeda one in the Green Screen Video behind me so a little note to the behind me so a little note to the behind me so a little note to the producers again we can see the funh producers again we can see the funh producers again we can see the funh house mirror reflection ction a little house mirror reflection ction a little house mirror reflection ction a little bit can we not I made a point here in the notes not I made a point here in the notes that in dictatorial systems you know that in dictatorial systems you know that in dictatorial systems you know like the Soviet Union crushing movements like the Soviet Union crushing movements like the Soviet Union crushing movements like this is much easier the way the like this is much easier the way the like this is much easier the way the Soviets did at the pr at the Prague Soviets did at the pr at the Prague Soviets did at the pr at the Prague spring crushing um it's not so easy to

spring crushing um it's not so easy to spring crushing um it's not so easy to do in a free society and get away with do in a free society and get away with do in a free society and get away with it right if if you're too harsh you're it right if if you're too harsh you're it right if if you're too harsh you're going to have the backlash against you going to have the backlash against you going to have the backlash against you that Abby hoffin was suggesting was that Abby hoffin was suggesting was that Abby hoffin was suggesting was going to happen to the protesters when going to happen to the protesters when going to happen to the protesters when they got Richard Nixon when their Pro they got Richard Nixon when their Pro they got Richard Nixon when their Pro protesting for a more leftist Society if protesting for a more leftist Society if protesting for a more leftist Society if the police go too crazy in Chicago a the police go too crazy in Chicago a the police go too crazy in Chicago a bunch of people who otherwise would bunch of people who otherwise would bunch of people who otherwise would support them flip to the other side so support them flip to the other side so support them flip to the other side so you're getting a lot of that with this you're getting a lot of that with this you're getting a lot of that with this extremism on both sides prompting a extremism on both sides prompting a extremism on both sides prompting a counter reaction which you could easily counter reaction which you could easily counter reaction which you could easily get again that's more of the you know get again that's more of the you know get again that's more of the you know what does history teach history teaches what does history teach history teaches what does history teach history teaches that for every action there's an equal that for every action there's an equal that for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction right the and opposite reaction right the and opposite reaction right the Newtonian law here's another one of the deep law here's another one of the deep questions I wrote it's easy to denounce questions I wrote it's easy to denounce questions I wrote it's easy to denounce extremism when the causes are so extremism when the causes are so extremism when the causes are so obviously negative at least in most of obviously negative at least in most of obviously negative at least in most of our minds the water is muddy though when our minds the water is muddy though when our minds the water is muddy though when the reasons behind them seem righteous the reasons behind them seem righteous the reasons behind them seem righteous to some are riots Justified if there to some are riots Justified if there to some are riots Justified if there were a reaction to racism is domestic were a reaction to racism is domestic were a reaction to racism is domestic terrorism Justified if it's done to end terrorism Justified if it's done to end terrorism Justified if it's done to end an immoral War that's hurting more an immoral War that's hurting more an immoral War that's hurting more people than the anti-war motivated people than the anti-war motivated people than the anti-war motivated terrorist acts is violence the lesser of terrorist acts is violence the lesser of terrorist acts is violence the lesser of two evils if it's done to promote two evils if it's done to promote two evils if it's done to promote something like saving the planet from something like saving the planet from something like saving the planet from climate change or nuclear war when do climate change or nuclear war when do climate change or nuclear war when do the ends justify the means or do they ever this is the way that it ended um my ever this is the way that it ended um my little suggestion of a script here and I little suggestion of a script here and I little suggestion of a script here and I think it's a good way to end this show

think it's a good way to end this show think it's a good way to end this show too quoting myself for potentially the too quoting myself for potentially the too quoting myself for potentially the last time ever quote if you think this last time ever quote if you think this last time ever quote if you think this is all simply the past you haven't been is all simply the past you haven't been is all simply the past you haven't been paying attention the past can of be paying attention the past can of be paying attention the past can of be prologue as the saying goes when prologue as the saying goes when prologue as the saying goes when conditions are right when the conditions are right when the conditions are right when the ingredients are available when the stars ingredients are available when the stars ingredients are available when the stars align and they periodically do you can align and they periodically do you can align and they periodically do you can have all the elements in place for the have all the elements in place for the have all the elements in place for the creation of a perfect revolutionary creation of a perfect revolutionary creation of a perfect revolutionary storm Even in our recent past we in the storm Even in our recent past we in the storm Even in our recent past we in the US have seen the rise of groups like the US have seen the rise of groups like the US have seen the rise of groups like the tea party occupy and Anonymous tea party occupy and Anonymous tea party occupy and Anonymous challenging A system that seems less challenging A system that seems less challenging A system that seems less than responsive to the demands and than responsive to the demands and than responsive to the demands and concerns of the protesters these could concerns of the protesters these could concerns of the protesters these could easily be the early Sparks leading to easily be the early Sparks leading to easily be the early Sparks leading to Future Flames Being kindled John F Future Flames Being kindled John F Future Flames Being kindled John F Kennedy famously said those who make Kennedy famously said those who make Kennedy famously said those who make peaceful Revolution impossible will make peaceful Revolution impossible will make peaceful Revolution impossible will make violent revolution violent revolution violent revolution inevitable perhaps if we heed history's inevitable perhaps if we heed history's inevitable perhaps if we heed history's example of how far these things can go example of how far these things can go example of how far these things can go we may avoid having to repeat the same we may avoid having to repeat the same we may avoid having to repeat the same sorts of sorts of sorts of outcomes end outcomes end outcomes end quote as I said the times seem quote as I said the times seem quote as I said the times seem pregnant with disaster pregnant with disaster pregnant with disaster thinking about what disaster means and thinking about what disaster means and thinking about what disaster means and putting ourselves in the positions of putting ourselves in the positions of putting ourselves in the positions of ourselves after whatever is going to ourselves after whatever is going to ourselves after whatever is going to happen is all happen is all happen is all over is a better way to look at whether over is a better way to look at whether over is a better way to look at whether or not it should happen in the first or not it should happen in the first or not it should happen in the first place than anything else I can think of place than anything else I can think of place than anything else I can think of and since we don't know what's going to

and since we don't know what's going to and since we don't know what's going to happen in the future looking back at the happen in the future looking back at the happen in the future looking back at the past and seeing what has happened might past and seeing what has happened might past and seeing what has happened might give us well a little bit more insight give us well a little bit more insight give us well a little bit more insight into the road into the road into the road ahead remember what I said earlier ahead remember what I said earlier ahead remember what I said earlier there's two roads right one road is there's two roads right one road is there's two roads right one road is doing what we've always done before and doing what we've always done before and doing what we've always done before and the other road is not doing what we've the other road is not doing what we've the other road is not doing what we've always done always done always done before as I said earlier either way it before as I said earlier either way it before as I said earlier either way it goes is fascinating from a historical goes is fascinating from a historical goes is fascinating from a historical entertainment point of view but as is entertainment point of view but as is entertainment point of view but as is often the case when history is being often the case when history is being often the case when history is being made it's better to read about it than made it's better to read about it than made it's better to read about it than to live through it sometimes so we will to live through it sometimes so we will to live through it sometimes so we will all keep our fingers all keep our fingers all keep our fingers crossed stay safe how would you like to receive an safe how would you like to receive an email whenever a new Hardcore History email whenever a new Hardcore History email whenever a new Hardcore History show is released just sign up for Dan show is released just sign up for Dan show is released just sign up for Dan Subs deack newsletter we will send you a Subs deack newsletter we will send you a Subs deack newsletter we will send you a note when a new show drops or whenever note when a new show drops or whenever note when a new show drops or whenever there's something worth telling you there's something worth telling you there's something worth telling you about it's free and it's easy just go to about it's free and it's easy just go to about it's free and it's easy just go to Dan harlan. substack do.com sure the Dan harlan. substack do.com sure the Dan harlan. substack do.com sure the older Hardcore History shows can be a older Hardcore History shows can be a older Hardcore History shows can be a bit traumatic with titles like death bit traumatic with titles like death bit traumatic with titles like death throws of the Republic Judgment at throws of the Republic Judgment at throws of the Republic Judgment at Nineveh and addicted to bondage we just Nineveh and addicted to bondage we just Nineveh and addicted to bondage we just consider that truth in advertising no consider that truth in advertising no consider that truth in advertising no pain no gain is our motto pick up the pain no gain is our motto pick up the pain no gain is our motto pick up the entire catalog from dancarlin.com