EP32 The Show with Mike Rowe

History the show you're about to hear History the show you're about to hear was recorded a little while was recorded a little while was recorded a little while ago because I got a Common Sense Show ago because I got a Common Sense Show ago because I got a Common Sense Show out and it took everything to do it um out and it took everything to do it um out and it took everything to do it um this got put on hold for a tad and so this got put on hold for a tad and so this got put on hold for a tad and so you'll hear us refer to some events that you'll hear us refer to some events that you'll hear us refer to some events that are now in our past and whatnot and me are now in our past and whatnot and me are now in our past and whatnot and me uh focusing inordinately on my major uh focusing inordinately on my major uh focusing inordinately on my major problem at hand which was The Common problem at hand which was The Common problem at hand which was The Common Sense Show while I did this it's not an Sense Show while I did this it's not an Sense Show while I did this it's not an interview it's a discussion I'm I'm not interview it's a discussion I'm I'm not interview it's a discussion I'm I'm not the world's greatest interviewer as many the world's greatest interviewer as many the world's greatest interviewer as many of you know it's a weird thing to admit of you know it's a weird thing to admit of you know it's a weird thing to admit to oneself though when I've been doing to oneself though when I've been doing to oneself though when I've been doing it as long as I have so clearly been it as long as I have so clearly been it as long as I have so clearly been getting by on my looks all these getting by on my looks all these getting by on my looks all these years now this is a conversation that years now this is a conversation that years now this is a conversation that we're going to have on today's show and we're going to have on today's show and we're going to have on today's show and it's reminiscent of conversations we've it's reminiscent of conversations we've it's reminiscent of conversations we've had on other addendum shows had on other addendum shows had on other addendum shows um where we get into a lot of different um where we get into a lot of different um where we get into a lot of different subjects thank goodness I made the subjects thank goodness I made the subjects thank goodness I made the description of Hardcore History addendum description of Hardcore History addendum description of Hardcore History addendum so broad that you could drive a you know so broad that you could drive a you know so broad that you could drive a you know a lawyer could drive a truck through it a lawyer could drive a truck through it a lawyer could drive a truck through it in terms of saying well of course this in terms of saying well of course this in terms of saying well of course this fits into the feed anything fits into fits into the feed anything fits into fits into the feed anything fits into the feed um and so sometimes I try to the feed um and so sometimes I try to the feed um and so sometimes I try to bring you conversations which I know a bring you conversations which I know a bring you conversations which I know a lot of podcasts do and I'm jealous of lot of podcasts do and I'm jealous of lot of podcasts do and I'm jealous of all of them all those podcasts that can all of them all those podcasts that can all of them all those podcasts that can just you know have a great conversation just you know have a great conversation just you know have a great conversation with someone and then boom it's up on with someone and then boom it's up on with someone and then boom it's up on the feed for them and a piece of content the feed for them and a piece of content the feed for them and a piece of content out I the only time I get a chance to out I the only time I get a chance to out I the only time I get a chance to imagine what that feels like is when I imagine what that feels like is when I imagine what that feels like is when I do the same thing like I'm going to do do the same thing like I'm going to do do the same thing like I'm going to do today uh but I know that the today uh but I know that the today uh but I know that the conversation is going to go a long time

conversation is going to go a long time conversation is going to go a long time because I've talked to this guy before because I've talked to this guy before because I've talked to this guy before on his podcast and uh it always just I on his podcast and uh it always just I on his podcast and uh it always just I mean we we turn the microphone off at a mean we we turn the microphone off at a mean we we turn the microphone off at a certain point that's a good way to put certain point that's a good way to put certain point that's a good way to put it I told his producer I was so fixated it I told his producer I was so fixated it I told his producer I was so fixated because I'm a unitasker not a because I'm a unitasker not a because I'm a unitasker not a multitasker on the common sense needs at multitasker on the common sense needs at multitasker on the common sense needs at hand that I didn't plan anything for hand that I didn't plan anything for hand that I didn't plan anything for this show so I was like apologizing to this show so I was like apologizing to this show so I was like apologizing to him him him and he said he just laughed he said uh and he said he just laughed he said uh and he said he just laughed he said uh I'm not worried meaning you know when I'm not worried meaning you know when I'm not worried meaning you know when you have two people who talk uh should you have two people who talk uh should you have two people who talk uh should be okay but it just went where it went be okay but it just went where it went be okay but it just went where it went and it touched all sorts of subjects and it touched all sorts of subjects and it touched all sorts of subjects including some politics so if that is including some politics so if that is including some politics so if that is something you can't listen to don't something you can't listen to don't something you can't listen to don't listen to this it's not a huge part of listen to this it's not a huge part of listen to this it's not a huge part of the show the biggest part of the show is the show the biggest part of the show is the show the biggest part of the show is probably about something that needs to probably about something that needs to probably about something that needs to be talked about more anyway uh and not be talked about more anyway uh and not be talked about more anyway uh and not by Design just by where the conversation by Design just by where the conversation by Design just by where the conversation went and you know I think good went and you know I think good went and you know I think good conversation is a dying art but I'm conversation is a dying art but I'm conversation is a dying art but I'm getting older and it's normal to look getting older and it's normal to look getting older and it's normal to look back on the good old days and say back back on the good old days and say back back on the good old days and say back in my day we'd have long deep in my day we'd have long deep in my day we'd have long deep conversations with people that were conversations with people that were conversations with people that were stimulating right um but they're stimulating right um but they're stimulating right um but they're particularly good if you happen to be um particularly good if you happen to be um particularly good if you happen to be um just finding the open spot at the just finding the open spot at the just finding the open spot at the cocktail party and if you're a cocktail party and if you're a cocktail party and if you're a Wallflower like I am you sit on the Wallflower like I am you sit on the Wallflower like I am you sit on the couch and you turn you realize you're couch and you turn you realize you're couch and you turn you realize you're going to have to talk to the person next going to have to talk to the person next going to have to talk to the person next to you for a while and it turns out to to you for a while and it turns out to to you for a while and it turns out to be uh Rick Rubin or somebody like that be uh Rick Rubin or somebody like that be uh Rick Rubin or somebody like that we had a show we did with him and uh we had a show we did with him and uh we had a show we did with him and uh it's hard to have a bad conversation it's hard to have a bad conversation it's hard to have a bad conversation with him so just you know I always say with him so just you know I always say with him so just you know I always say half the battle here in choosing a half the battle here in choosing a half the battle here in choosing a hardcore history topic is the topic you

hardcore history topic is the topic you hardcore history topic is the topic you pick an Alexander the Great uh you're pick an Alexander the Great uh you're pick an Alexander the Great uh you're you're far ahead of the game because the you're far ahead of the game because the you're far ahead of the game because the story is already good now it's yours to story is already good now it's yours to story is already good now it's yours to screw up you have Rick on the show and screw up you have Rick on the show and screw up you have Rick on the show and it's you know if the conversation's not it's you know if the conversation's not it's you know if the conversation's not good it's your fault uh I feel like that good it's your fault uh I feel like that good it's your fault uh I feel like that about today's guest who is so about today's guest who is so about today's guest who is so multi-talented uh he's done so many multi-talented uh he's done so many multi-talented uh he's done so many different things he's got a podcast different things he's got a podcast different things he's got a podcast called the way I heard heard it and I called the way I heard heard it and I called the way I heard heard it and I was on that twice uh and that's when I was on that twice uh and that's when I was on that twice uh and that's when I resolved okay well my I'd like my resolved okay well my I'd like my resolved okay well my I'd like my audience to hear a conversation between audience to hear a conversation between audience to hear a conversation between us two and we focused uh as I was about us two and we focused uh as I was about us two and we focused uh as I was about to say before I was so rudely to say before I was so rudely to say before I was so rudely interrupted by myself and my own train interrupted by myself and my own train interrupted by myself and my own train of thought um we focused on what for of thought um we focused on what for of thought um we focused on what for lack of a better term you always hate lack of a better term you always hate lack of a better term you always hate when the Communists take over a word or when the Communists take over a word or when the Communists take over a word or something because then it acquires all something because then it acquires all something because then it acquires all sorts of uh of sorts of uh of sorts of uh of um aspects to it that you don't mean but um aspects to it that you don't mean but um aspects to it that you don't mean but I mean the working class in this country I mean the working class in this country I mean the working class in this country the people who you know to to that Mike the people who you know to to that Mike the people who you know to to that Mike focuses on and his Show Dirty Jobs the focuses on and his Show Dirty Jobs the focuses on and his Show Dirty Jobs the people that make the country sort of uh people that make the country sort of uh people that make the country sort of uh operate and um and the need that we have operate and um and the need that we have operate and um and the need that we have for those people so one of the things for those people so one of the things for those people so one of the things Mike focuses on in every conversation Mike focuses on in every conversation Mike focuses on in every conversation I've had with him is is how much Society I've had with him is is how much Society I've had with him is is how much Society uh has more of a demand than we can uh has more of a demand than we can uh has more of a demand than we can supply right now in terms of people who supply right now in terms of people who supply right now in terms of people who do these things and then the other side do these things and then the other side do these things and then the other side of that coin which is if anything even of that coin which is if anything even of that coin which is if anything even more important which is the number of more important which is the number of more important which is the number of people in this society that would people in this society that would people in this society that would benefit from going into this line of benefit from going into this line of benefit from going into this line of work and maybe don't know how much work and maybe don't know how much work and maybe don't know how much they'd benefit from it and so as a they'd benefit from it and so as a they'd benefit from it and so as a person who believes that in a healthy person who believes that in a healthy person who believes that in a healthy Society especially a healthy Democratic

Society especially a healthy Democratic Society especially a healthy Democratic Republic like ours making sure that that Republic like ours making sure that that Republic like ours making sure that that particular class of people is a healthy particular class of people is a healthy particular class of people is a healthy segment of your Society is part of segment of your Society is part of segment of your Society is part of keeping the ballast of your Society uh keeping the ballast of your Society uh keeping the ballast of your Society uh where you need it right it anchors where you need it right it anchors where you need it right it anchors Society sort of to um some important Society sort of to um some important Society sort of to um some important roots and if you lose that or It suffers roots and if you lose that or It suffers roots and if you lose that or It suffers or it degrades or or it degrades or or it degrades or degenerates um well then you're talking degenerates um well then you're talking degenerates um well then you're talking about damage at the roots and then the about damage at the roots and then the about damage at the roots and then the tree can fall over right so you'll hear tree can fall over right so you'll hear tree can fall over right so you'll hear a lot of that in the show and as I said a lot of that in the show and as I said a lot of that in the show and as I said there'll be a little politics there'll there'll be a little politics there'll there'll be a little politics there'll be a some other things um Mike doesn't be a some other things um Mike doesn't be a some other things um Mike doesn't shy away from anything I did say that if shy away from anything I did say that if shy away from anything I did say that if it goes into any directions where we it goes into any directions where we it goes into any directions where we think about it afterwards and go oh God think about it afterwards and go oh God think about it afterwards and go oh God that that's not something we really need that that's not something we really need that that's not something we really need to be talking about uh that we could to be talking about uh that we could to be talking about uh that we could take it out but we changed nothing we take it out but we changed nothing we take it out but we changed nothing we did no editing on content at all this is did no editing on content at all this is did no editing on content at all this is as it appeared and my goodness uh at 2 as it appeared and my goodness uh at 2 as it appeared and my goodness uh at 2 hours and 22 minutes you may have wished hours and 22 minutes you may have wished hours and 22 minutes you may have wished we took some stuff out um but Mike Row we took some stuff out um but Mike Row we took some stuff out um but Mike Row is a as you know the Dirty Jobs guy he's is a as you know the Dirty Jobs guy he's is a as you know the Dirty Jobs guy he's narrated about a 100 million shows uh he narrated about a 100 million shows uh he narrated about a 100 million shows uh he has one of those voices that if you're has one of those voices that if you're has one of those voices that if you're in a business as I've been uh for a long in a business as I've been uh for a long in a business as I've been uh for a long time where people notice voices time where people notice voices time where people notice voices specifically he's got one of those specifically he's got one of those specifically he's got one of those voices where you just go well you know voices where you just go well you know voices where you just go well you know what are you going to do it's like what are you going to do it's like what are you going to do it's like watching an athlete run a 42 40 and you watching an athlete run a 42 40 and you watching an athlete run a 42 40 and you just go okay he's born that way what are just go okay he's born that way what are just go okay he's born that way what are you going to do you can't most people you going to do you can't most people you going to do you can't most people can't run that no matter how hard they can't run that no matter how hard they can't run that no matter how hard they work and Mike Row works really hard but work and Mike Row works really hard but work and Mike Row works really hard but when you listen to that voice you just when you listen to that voice you just when you listen to that voice you just go okay well um he's a really

go okay well um he's a really go okay well um he's a really interesting guy with a ton of really interesting guy with a ton of really interesting guy with a ton of really interesting life experiences and he's my interesting life experiences and he's my interesting life experiences and he's my guest today on the program and we start guest today on the program and we start guest today on the program and we start off right like at the phone call where off right like at the phone call where off right like at the phone call where I'm apologizing for having done no prep I'm apologizing for having done no prep I'm apologizing for having done no prep for this at all and at one point Mike for this at all and at one point Mike for this at all and at one point Mike has to say uh has the show started has to say uh has the show started has to say uh has the show started um so without further Ado my um so without further Ado my um so without further Ado my conversation with uh Mike Row hey Compadre this looks weirdly Row hey Compadre this looks weirdly familiar it's all coming back to me dude familiar it's all coming back to me dude familiar it's all coming back to me dude I've only been doing this for 35 years I've only been doing this for 35 years I've only been doing this for 35 years so I just want to apologize for what so I just want to apologize for what so I just want to apologize for what today is like I mean I told Ben I said today is like I mean I told Ben I said today is like I mean I told Ben I said I'm like in a minor depression here I'm like in a minor depression here I'm like in a minor depression here because you know I don't know if you because you know I don't know if you because you know I don't know if you ever heard the Common Sense Show but our ever heard the Common Sense Show but our ever heard the Common Sense Show but our our main concern were like the our main concern were like the our main concern were like the Constitution executive power the growth Constitution executive power the growth Constitution executive power the growth in executive power which of course has in executive power which of course has in executive power which of course has been going on for 250 years I mean been going on for 250 years I mean been going on for 250 years I mean there's nothing new about that but I there's nothing new about that but I there's nothing new about that but I mean all these things that we were so mean all these things that we were so mean all these things that we were so hyper partisanism all that stuff and I hyper partisanism all that stuff and I hyper partisanism all that stuff and I feel like instead of like talking about feel like instead of like talking about feel like instead of like talking about the dangers of the future it's like a the dangers of the future it's like a the dangers of the future it's like a history show now I mean I feel like history show now I mean I feel like history show now I mean I feel like we're past we've reached critical mass we're past we've reached critical mass we're past we've reached critical mass on a number of issues we've been talking on a number of issues we've been talking on a number of issues we've been talking about since I was starting on the radio about since I was starting on the radio about since I was starting on the radio in '92 and I don't know how to I don't in '92 and I don't know how to I don't in '92 and I don't know how to I don't know how to roll with with that if that know how to roll with with that if that know how to roll with with that if that makes sense well you've spent your whole makes sense well you've spent your whole makes sense well you've spent your whole life reflecting on events through the life reflecting on events through the life reflecting on events through the lens of time and now time has caught up lens of time and now time has caught up lens of time and now time has caught up with us it well it's been compressed

with us it well it's been compressed with us it well it's been compressed it's been compressed to a point where it's been compressed to a point where it's been compressed to a point where the rearview mirror is is not actually the rearview mirror is is not actually the rearview mirror is is not actually where we left it you know that what are where we left it you know that what are where we left it you know that what are the words objects in Mirror May closer the words objects in Mirror May closer the words objects in Mirror May closer than a yeah that's that's where we're than a yeah that's that's where we're than a yeah that's that's where we're living everything is close living everything is close living everything is close is what was the movie everything all at is what was the movie everything all at is what was the movie everything all at once everything everywhere all at once once everything everywhere all at once once everything everywhere all at once yeah yeah or the the line from Mozart yeah yeah or the the line from Mozart yeah yeah or the the line from Mozart when he was asked how he hears the music when he was asked how he hears the music when he was asked how he hears the music and he said I hear it g Al Suz at the and he said I hear it g Al Suz at the and he said I hear it g Al Suz at the same time all together and that's that's same time all together and that's that's same time all together and that's that's kind of how how this feels um and I kind of how how this feels um and I kind of how how this feels um and I didn't want to get into politics per se didn't want to get into politics per se didn't want to get into politics per se I just you know there's a a Confluence I just you know there's a a Confluence I just you know there's a a Confluence of like normally politics is like a of like normally politics is like a of like normally politics is like a segment of our society and I feel like segment of our society and I feel like segment of our society and I feel like all of a sudden it's gotten woven all of a sudden it's gotten woven all of a sudden it's gotten woven through the fiber of any other subject through the fiber of any other subject through the fiber of any other subject we might talk about in a way that like we might talk about in a way that like we might talk about in a way that like if you wanted to you know back when we if you wanted to you know back when we if you wanted to you know back when we were kids it was you know you don't talk were kids it was you know you don't talk were kids it was you know you don't talk about sex religion politics at the about sex religion politics at the about sex religion politics at the dinner table those kind of things and I dinner table those kind of things and I dinner table those kind of things and I just don't see I I I I Feel Like There's just don't see I I I I Feel Like There's just don't see I I I I Feel Like There's No Escape there's no place to hide No Escape there's no place to hide No Escape there's no place to hide anymore on this subject and I don't know anymore on this subject and I don't know anymore on this subject and I don't know and and again when when all I've done and and again when when all I've done and and again when when all I've done forever is just be a loudmouth about it forever is just be a loudmouth about it forever is just be a loudmouth about it it is so weird to feel like I don't know it is so weird to feel like I don't know it is so weird to feel like I don't know what to say you know are are we in the what to say you know are are we in the what to say you know are are we in the show now should I be as interesting as I show now should I be as interesting as I show now should I be as interesting as I can uh can uh can uh listen you know you you your your your listen you know you you your your your listen you know you you your your your base level interesting is pretty good base level interesting is pretty good base level interesting is pretty good anyway so I'm not so worried about but anyway so I'm not so worried about but anyway so I'm not so worried about but yes we're in the show because Ben will yes we're in the show because Ben will yes we're in the show because Ben will cut it up any way we want him to cut it cut it up any way we want him to cut it cut it up any way we want him to cut it and look if we go into some tangent or and look if we go into some tangent or and look if we go into some tangent or area afterwards I will not hold it

area afterwards I will not hold it area afterwards I will not hold it against you if you say you know what against you if you say you know what against you if you say you know what that's not the best thing to do uh and I that's not the best thing to do uh and I that's not the best thing to do uh and I may do the same to you I don't know yet may do the same to you I don't know yet may do the same to you I don't know yet what we're going to end up with like I what we're going to end up with like I what we're going to end up with like I said it's 40 years dude I know what I'm said it's 40 years dude I know what I'm said it's 40 years dude I know what I'm doing doing doing here well EV everything you said here well EV everything you said here well EV everything you said resonates but let me just add one thing resonates but let me just add one thing resonates but let me just add one thing to it from my perspective it's super to it from my perspective it's super to it from my perspective it's super weird for me because I'm I'm actually a weird for me because I'm I'm actually a weird for me because I'm I'm actually a fan of your show I your your podcast was fan of your show I your your podcast was fan of your show I your your podcast was literally the first actual podcast I literally the first actual podcast I literally the first actual podcast I listened to from start to finish maybe listened to from start to finish maybe listened to from start to finish maybe maybe 10 years ago and and so I I have a maybe 10 years ago and and so I I have a maybe 10 years ago and and so I I have a not to suck up but I I really respect not to suck up but I I really respect not to suck up but I I really respect what you've done and what you've built what you've done and what you've built what you've done and what you've built but I also respect your audience because but I also respect your audience because but I also respect your audience because I'm part of the audience but I also know I'm part of the audience but I also know I'm part of the audience but I also know that in my world I have an audience and that in my world I have an audience and that in my world I have an audience and I think I know who they are and you have I think I know who they are and you have I think I know who they are and you have an audience and I think I might know who an audience and I think I might know who an audience and I think I might know who they are I mean I should because I'm they are I mean I should because I'm they are I mean I should because I'm gonna ask you for some pointers gonna ask you for some pointers gonna ask you for some pointers afterwards just so you know because I afterwards just so you know because I afterwards just so you know because I have no idea who they are well I'll tell have no idea who they are well I'll tell have no idea who they are well I'll tell you it's a sucker's bet man trying to you it's a sucker's bet man trying to you it's a sucker's bet man trying to trying to figure out like on the one trying to figure out like on the one trying to figure out like on the one hand it's so important to respect your hand it's so important to respect your hand it's so important to respect your audience and to understand them and to audience and to understand them and to audience and to understand them and to and to comprehend that on the most and to comprehend that on the most and to comprehend that on the most fundamental level they are your boss you fundamental level they are your boss you fundamental level they are your boss you are who I mean you you work for them are who I mean you you work for them are who I mean you you work for them right but the moment I believe they right but the moment I believe they right but the moment I believe they sense you realize that then all of a sense you realize that then all of a sense you realize that then all of a sudden what are you doing now are you

sudden what are you doing now are you sudden what are you doing now are you performing are you telling them what you performing are you telling them what you performing are you telling them what you think they want to hear yeah is it think they want to hear yeah is it think they want to hear yeah is it audience capture uh I and and that that audience capture uh I and and that that audience capture uh I and and that that is such the right way to think about I is such the right way to think about I is such the right way to think about I think what's happening broadly in our think what's happening broadly in our think what's happening broadly in our country right now the the the audience country right now the the the audience country right now the the the audience and the and the and the influencer have have come together in influencer have have come together in influencer have have come together in such an odd melding so too has the such an odd melding so too has the such an odd melding so too has the actual journalist with with his or her actual journalist with with his or her actual journalist with with his or her audience and and our elected officials audience and and our elected officials audience and and our elected officials and our and our experts and virtually and our and our experts and virtually and our and our experts and virtually every field because we all have the every field because we all have the every field because we all have the capability to broadcast right now we all capability to broadcast right now we all capability to broadcast right now we all have the capability to develop our own have the capability to develop our own have the capability to develop our own audience our our perspective in some way audience our our perspective in some way audience our our perspective in some way has come has come has come really oddly redefined and like like in really oddly redefined and like like in really oddly redefined and like like in real time the president is going to real time the president is going to real time the president is going to speak tonight he's going to address the speak tonight he's going to address the speak tonight he's going to address the the the Congress and and the and the the the Congress and and the and the the the Congress and and the and the country and the portent is going to be country and the portent is going to be country and the portent is going to be huge but millions of people are going to huge but millions of people are going to huge but millions of people are going to listen to it and then they're listen to it and then they're listen to it and then they're immediately going to go into influencer immediately going to go into influencer immediately going to go into influencer mode or in spreader mode and that's mode or in spreader mode and that's mode or in spreader mode and that's different than audience mode and so different than audience mode and so different than audience mode and so everything is always constantly shifting everything is always constantly shifting everything is always constantly shifting and it's you know if I were to try and and it's you know if I were to try and and it's you know if I were to try and land the plane with this point it would land the plane with this point it would land the plane with this point it would just be to say that I've never felt such just be to say that I've never felt such just be to say that I've never felt such U whipsaw going back and forth between a U whipsaw going back and forth between a U whipsaw going back and forth between a consumer of news a quasi reporter of

consumer of news a quasi reporter of consumer of news a quasi reporter of news a fan of current events a curious news a fan of current events a curious news a fan of current events a curious private citizen a guy with a podcast a private citizen a guy with a podcast a private citizen a guy with a podcast a guy with a TV show a guy talking to you guy with a TV show a guy talking to you guy with a TV show a guy talking to you right now and right now and right now and I I it's just a phenomenally odd time to I I it's just a phenomenally odd time to I I it's just a phenomenally odd time to be in our line of work you know um my be in our line of work you know um my be in our line of work you know um my history and it's funny because you history and it's funny because you history and it's funny because you talked to my producer and that this is talked to my producer and that this is talked to my producer and that this is where I met him we were do we were where I met him we were do we were where I met him we were do we were involved in a tech company back in the involved in a tech company back in the involved in a tech company back in the late 90s early 2000s when you know late 90s early 2000s when you know late 90s early 2000s when you know everybody was making money with tech everybody was making money with tech everybody was making money with tech companies and and what we were pushing companies and and what we were pushing companies and and what we were pushing was something at the time called amateur was something at the time called amateur was something at the time called amateur content uh because there was no name content uh because there was no name content uh because there was no name there was no YouTube there were no there was no YouTube there were no there was no YouTube there were no podcasts nothing and we developed a podcasts nothing and we developed a podcasts nothing and we developed a common sense podcast growing out my common sense podcast growing out my common sense podcast growing out my radio show as an example to show radio show as an example to show radio show as an example to show potential investors what this would potential investors what this would potential investors what this would sound like because they literally sound like because they literally sound like because they literally couldn't Envision it without an example couldn't Envision it without an example couldn't Envision it without an example right um and I had to do these um my job right um and I had to do these um my job right um and I had to do these um my job was to go to these investors and sort of was to go to these investors and sort of was to go to these investors and sort of explain to them what the world was going explain to them what the world was going explain to them what the world was going to look like when we could all be to look like when we could all be to look like when we could all be broadcasters and I recently went and broadcasters and I recently went and broadcasters and I recently went and read some of the material because I was read some of the material because I was read some of the material because I was cleaning out some files and it is cleaning out some files and it is cleaning out some files and it is amazing how we can fool ourselves into amazing how we can fool ourselves into amazing how we can fool ourselves into thinking that it's all going to be thinking that it's all going to be thinking that it's all going to be awesome when we can all do cuz I'm awesome when we can all do cuz I'm awesome when we can all do cuz I'm sitting here oh you know you're going to sitting here oh you know you're going to sitting here oh you know you're going to be your own reporter you're going to be be your own reporter you're going to be be your own reporter you're going to be on the scene you're going to be all and on the scene you're going to be all and on the scene you're going to be all and then when you actually get there and you then when you actually get there and you then when you actually get there and you get to see all the unintended Downstream get to see all the unintended Downstream get to see all the unintended Downstream um consequences that never entered into um consequences that never entered into um consequences that never entered into your head when you were pushing you know your head when you were pushing you know your head when you were pushing you know all of us being the news media and all all of us being the news media and all all of us being the news media and all that kind of stuff it is fascinating but

that kind of stuff it is fascinating but that kind of stuff it is fascinating but I will say I do feel like and I've said I will say I do feel like and I've said I will say I do feel like and I've said this to you before that that we're this to you before that that we're this to you before that that we're entering into guinea pig generation entering into guinea pig generation entering into guinea pig generation territory now I mean I got two kids and territory now I mean I got two kids and territory now I mean I got two kids and I try to tell my oldest uh she was born I try to tell my oldest uh she was born I try to tell my oldest uh she was born in 2002 that the iPhone and the texting in 2002 that the iPhone and the texting in 2002 that the iPhone and the texting and all this stuff that seems like and all this stuff that seems like and all this stuff that seems like concrete Bedrock reality to her is concrete Bedrock reality to her is concrete Bedrock reality to her is younger than she is and that she's the younger than she is and that she's the younger than she is and that she's the first generation that we're going to see first generation that we're going to see first generation that we're going to see what happens when this is the world you what happens when this is the world you what happens when this is the world you live in and then before you get a chance live in and then before you get a chance live in and then before you get a chance to get accustomed to that and sort of to get accustomed to that and sort of to get accustomed to that and sort of evolve around it it's going to change evolve around it it's going to change evolve around it it's going to change again because the pace of change is again because the pace of change is again because the pace of change is speeding up to the point where I mean we speeding up to the point where I mean we speeding up to the point where I mean we go from my space to Facebook from go from my space to Facebook from go from my space to Facebook from Facebook to iones from and it all Facebook to iones from and it all Facebook to iones from and it all happens so fast we haven't Incorporated happens so fast we haven't Incorporated happens so fast we haven't Incorporated and absorbed the last big like Mo's law and absorbed the last big like Mo's law and absorbed the last big like Mo's law right like Mo's law yeah half and half right like Mo's law yeah half and half right like Mo's law yeah half and half and half and half only somehow applied and half and half only somehow applied and half and half only somehow applied to Velocity I listened um to one of your to Velocity I listened um to one of your to Velocity I listened um to one of your earlier addendums great Title by the way earlier addendums great Title by the way earlier addendums great Title by the way right up there with disclaimer footnote right up there with disclaimer footnote right up there with disclaimer footnote endnote parenthetical and who gives a endnote parenthetical and who gives a endnote parenthetical and who gives a crap crap crap Etc dot ellipses dot dot dot yeah but Etc dot ellipses dot dot dot yeah but Etc dot ellipses dot dot dot yeah but you told a great story um I think it was you told a great story um I think it was you told a great story um I think it was uh you say you want a revolution right uh you say you want a revolution right uh you say you want a revolution right and you were talking about a Sizzle reel and you were talking about a Sizzle reel and you were talking about a Sizzle reel that you put together yeah well I mean that you put together yeah well I mean that you put together yeah well I mean my life is Sizzle I was gonna say this my life is Sizzle I was gonna say this my life is Sizzle I was gonna say this is really Insider stuff we're going into is really Insider stuff we're going into is really Insider stuff we're going into now let's let's explain what a Sizzle now let's let's explain what a Sizzle now let's let's explain what a Sizzle reel is Sizzle reel is what you do when reel is Sizzle reel is what you do when reel is Sizzle reel is what you do when you're like pushing a TV show and you you're like pushing a TV show and you you're like pushing a TV show and you you do a little sample right is that a you do a little sample right is that a you do a little sample right is that a good way to describe it exactly in order good way to describe it exactly in order good way to describe it exactly in order to get the meeting that you need to have

to get the meeting that you need to have to get the meeting that you need to have to sell the show that you think you want to sell the show that you think you want to sell the show that you think you want on the air you need to do a treatment on the air you need to do a treatment on the air you need to do a treatment you need to write it up and then most you need to write it up and then most you need to write it up and then most producers today ask for a Sizzle reel producers today ask for a Sizzle reel producers today ask for a Sizzle reel which is just a two or 3 minute which is just a two or 3 minute which is just a two or 3 minute sometimes longer but it's just an sometimes longer but it's just an sometimes longer but it's just an example of what your project will look example of what your project will look example of what your project will look like on the screen and most Executives like on the screen and most Executives like on the screen and most Executives today can't even contemplate a pitch today can't even contemplate a pitch today can't even contemplate a pitch without first seeing a Sizzle right without first seeing a Sizzle right without first seeing a Sizzle right because you know just like Moore's law because you know just like Moore's law because you know just like Moore's law makes things smaller imagination shrinks makes things smaller imagination shrinks makes things smaller imagination shrinks as well and now we need to be shown we as well and now we need to be shown we as well and now we need to be shown we need to be shown everything Dan need to be shown everything Dan need to be shown everything Dan everything all of the time well I was everything all of the time well I was everything all of the time well I was laughing as you told the story of the laughing as you told the story of the laughing as you told the story of the scissor reel you put together for two scissor reel you put together for two scissor reel you put together for two reasons first of all I pitched a show to reasons first of all I pitched a show to reasons first of all I pitched a show to Discovery years ago called Sizzle reel Discovery years ago called Sizzle reel Discovery years ago called Sizzle reel which was just a collection of all the which was just a collection of all the which was just a collection of all the sizzle reel that had failed that's sizzle reel that had failed that's sizzle reel that had failed that's actually actually actually brilliant it was hysterical but it brilliant it was hysterical but it brilliant it was hysterical but it required so much uh Naval gazing and it required so much uh Naval gazing and it required so much uh Naval gazing and it it required people who were never it required people who were never it required people who were never laughing to be in on the joke right if laughing to be in on the joke right if laughing to be in on the joke right if you're a producer or an executive you've you're a producer or an executive you've you're a producer or an executive you've you've got to be willing to take the you've got to be willing to take the you've got to be willing to take the piss out of your own notion and that's piss out of your own notion and that's piss out of your own notion and that's what failed Sizzle reels do so I I what failed Sizzle reels do so I I what failed Sizzle reels do so I I couldn't get that on the air but your couldn't get that on the air but your couldn't get that on the air but your story made me think of one of the very story made me think of one of the very story made me think of one of the very first pitches I was ever involved in and first pitches I was ever involved in and first pitches I was ever involved in and it happened because I went to a church it happened because I went to a church it happened because I went to a church basement one evening to watch a talent basement one evening to watch a talent basement one evening to watch a talent show and during the talent show a skinny

show and during the talent show a skinny show and during the talent show a skinny guy stood up and took off his pants and guy stood up and took off his pants and guy stood up and took off his pants and then he took off his shirt and he's then he took off his shirt and he's then he took off his shirt and he's standing there in his underwear and he standing there in his underwear and he standing there in his underwear and he put his hands in front of him like this put his hands in front of him like this put his hands in front of him like this so my arms are outstretched and my hands so my arms are outstretched and my hands so my arms are outstretched and my hands are clasped together and then he started are clasped together and then he started are clasped together and then he started to jump back and forth between the space to jump back and forth between the space to jump back and forth between the space created between his arms like a jump created between his arms like a jump created between his arms like a jump rope back and forth but Dan Dan he rope back and forth but Dan Dan he rope back and forth but Dan Dan he brought it all the way over his head brought it all the way over his head brought it all the way over his head dislocated both shoulders dislocated dislocated both shoulders dislocated dislocated both shoulders dislocated both elbows and then both wrists and he both elbows and then both wrists and he both elbows and then both wrists and he did it in real time and he literally did it in real time and he literally did it in real time and he literally started jumping rope with his arms and started jumping rope with his arms and started jumping rope with his arms and it was basically a sideshow it was basically a sideshow it was basically a sideshow thing but I couldn't get it out of my thing but I couldn't get it out of my thing but I couldn't get it out of my head and I filmed it and I took it to a head and I filmed it and I took it to a head and I filmed it and I took it to a network and I said here's the show it's network and I said here's the show it's network and I said here's the show it's called look at me and it's just a bunch called look at me and it's just a bunch called look at me and it's just a bunch of people who can do these kinds of of people who can do these kinds of of people who can do these kinds of things doing them in front of modest things doing them in front of modest things doing them in front of modest audiences um nobody bought it but I audiences um nobody bought it but I audiences um nobody bought it but I swear to God what is what is YouTube now swear to God what is what is YouTube now swear to God what is what is YouTube now yeah what what is it yeah I I used to I yeah what what is it yeah I I used to I yeah what what is it yeah I I used to I I is exactly and I used to have these I is exactly and I used to have these I is exactly and I used to have these conversations with these um these uh uh conversations with these um these uh uh conversations with these um these uh uh venture capitalist and I would say venture capitalist and I would say venture capitalist and I would say you're going to have all these people you're going to have all these people you're going to have all these people making content and they said listen making content and they said listen making content and they said listen anybody who's making content anybody anybody who's making content anybody anybody who's making content anybody else wants to see is going to get paid else wants to see is going to get paid else wants to see is going to get paid for it and I said look you you might be for it and I said look you you might be for it and I said look you you might be right that there's going to be a lot of right that there's going to be a lot of right that there's going to be a lot of trash out there but there's going to be trash out there but there's going to be trash out there but there's going to be economies of scale I said if only 1% of economies of scale I said if only 1% of economies of scale I said if only 1% of this stuff is good there's going to be a

this stuff is good there's going to be a this stuff is good there's going to be a lot of good stuff and I said it's going lot of good stuff and I said it's going lot of good stuff and I said it's going to also jump lines that we can't jump to also jump lines that we can't jump to also jump lines that we can't jump right now I mean you don't have any right now I mean you don't have any right now I mean you don't have any 15year olds writing television for 15year olds writing television for 15year olds writing television for 15year olds but you're going to have 15year olds but you're going to have 15year olds but you're going to have that with with what's coming right that with with what's coming right that with with what's coming right you're going to have people who are you're going to have people who are you're going to have people who are writing for their own age group and writing for their own age group and writing for their own age group and their own age group may be far younger their own age group may be far younger their own age group may be far younger than anyone who would get hired I I did than anyone who would get hired I I did than anyone who would get hired I I did a I did a TED talk once and my kids were a I did a TED talk once and my kids were a I did a TED talk once and my kids were were watching you know when I did it were watching you know when I did it were watching you know when I did it were watching a show where two kids were watching a show where two kids were watching a show where two kids their own age so we're talking 11 or 12 their own age so we're talking 11 or 12 their own age so we're talking 11 or 12 so their parents obviously helped them so their parents obviously helped them so their parents obviously helped them but they were doing a podcast and but they were doing a podcast and but they were doing a podcast and getting tens of thousands or 20,000 getting tens of thousands or 20,000 getting tens of thousands or 20,000 people watching every single one and I people watching every single one and I people watching every single one and I said when I was a kid I I used to flirt said when I was a kid I I used to flirt said when I was a kid I I used to flirt when I was a child of of making my own when I was a child of of making my own when I was a child of of making my own magazine right so so you'd sit there and magazine right so so you'd sit there and magazine right so so you'd sit there and you get the neighbor kids and it was you get the neighbor kids and it was you get the neighbor kids and it was very AR Gish and I would dress up in my very AR Gish and I would dress up in my very AR Gish and I would dress up in my dad's button-down shirt when I was like dad's button-down shirt when I was like dad's button-down shirt when I was like six and we're trying to do this thing six and we're trying to do this thing six and we're trying to do this thing and finally my dad had to sit me down and finally my dad had to sit me down and finally my dad had to sit me down and explain why that was just an and explain why that was just an and explain why that was just an unfeasible idea and he talked about unfeasible idea and he talked about unfeasible idea and he talked about distribution and printing costs and you distribution and printing costs and you distribution and printing costs and you all those things that would shut you all those things that would shut you all those things that would shut you down and then I thought when I was doing down and then I thought when I was doing down and then I thought when I was doing that Ted X talk I'm going to bring up that Ted X talk I'm going to bring up that Ted X talk I'm going to bring up these two little girls who are the same these two little girls who are the same these two little girls who are the same age as my little girls and are doing the age as my little girls and are doing the age as my little girls and are doing the exact same thing and if you had told me exact same thing and if you had told me exact same thing and if you had told me at 6 years old I could have gotten at 6 years old I could have gotten at 6 years old I could have gotten 20,000 people reading my silly magazine 20,000 people reading my silly magazine 20,000 people reading my silly magazine you know in in TCA Lake you know I so you know in in TCA Lake you know I so you know in in TCA Lake you know I so but think about how that changes you but think about how that changes you but think about how that changes you know we talked about Downstream think know we talked about Downstream think know we talked about Downstream think about what a downstream impact that has about what a downstream impact that has about what a downstream impact that has you mentioned influencers what a weird I you mentioned influencers what a weird I you mentioned influencers what a weird I mean if you'd have gone back to the 50s mean if you'd have gone back to the 50s mean if you'd have gone back to the 50s 1950s and used that word it wouldn't

1950s and used that word it wouldn't 1950s and used that word it wouldn't have even had a meaning no no but when have even had a meaning no no but when have even had a meaning no no but when you invoked Ted Talk I I think that's a you invoked Ted Talk I I think that's a you invoked Ted Talk I I think that's a super interesting model that came along super interesting model that came along super interesting model that came along at a at a pretty precipitous time in at a at a pretty precipitous time in at a at a pretty precipitous time in part because it so clearly honors the part because it so clearly honors the part because it so clearly honors the audience speaker relationship like it audience speaker relationship like it audience speaker relationship like it really it's almost pristine right it's a really it's almost pristine right it's a really it's almost pristine right it's a it's a very Del I did one in 2008 it was it's a very Del I did one in 2008 it was it's a very Del I did one in 2008 it was called a gathering an entertainment called a gathering an entertainment called a gathering an entertainment Gathering and I I didn't know what I was Gathering and I I didn't know what I was Gathering and I I didn't know what I was walking into Discovery asked me to go walking into Discovery asked me to go walking into Discovery asked me to go down there and say a few words at this down there and say a few words at this down there and say a few words at this conference that they were sponsoring conference that they were sponsoring conference that they were sponsoring when I walked in this was down in when I walked in this was down in when I walked in this was down in Monterey they had this all the speakers Monterey they had this all the speakers Monterey they had this all the speakers had their faces had been put on to these had their faces had been put on to these had their faces had been put on to these uh banners that hung from the ceiling uh uh banners that hung from the ceiling uh uh banners that hung from the ceiling uh in some sort of not quite caricature is in some sort of not quite caricature is in some sort of not quite caricature is way but some kind of exaggerated version way but some kind of exaggerated version way but some kind of exaggerated version of themsel so like I'm being like shot of themsel so like I'm being like shot of themsel so like I'm being like shot out of a cannon uh you know toward a out of a cannon uh you know toward a out of a cannon uh you know toward a sewer or something I was a that's when I sewer or something I was a that's when I sewer or something I was a that's when I learned I was a featured speaker and I learned I was a featured speaker and I learned I was a featured speaker and I would have exactly 20 minutes to to talk would have exactly 20 minutes to to talk would have exactly 20 minutes to to talk to this assemblage of luminaries about to this assemblage of luminaries about to this assemblage of luminaries about some topic and it w it was so valuable some topic and it w it was so valuable some topic and it w it was so valuable an exercise for me to go through because an exercise for me to go through because an exercise for me to go through because I had never spoken before at an event I had never spoken before at an event I had never spoken before at an event that that that was defined by so much that that that was defined by so much that that that was defined by so much intentionality you know and by so much

intentionality you know and by so much intentionality you know and by so much variety so not only did I have to very variety so not only did I have to very variety so not only did I have to very quickly put together you know a quickly put together you know a quickly put together you know a rumination on curating Lambs with my rumination on curating Lambs with my rumination on curating Lambs with my teeth which actually happen and somehow teeth which actually happen and somehow teeth which actually happen and somehow make that relevant to the audience that make that relevant to the audience that make that relevant to the audience that was there I got a chance to to stand in was there I got a chance to to stand in was there I got a chance to to stand in front of people really for the first front of people really for the first front of people really for the first time who were kind of on the edge of time who were kind of on the edge of time who were kind of on the edge of their seats they were so hungry and so their seats they were so hungry and so their seats they were so hungry and so comfortable being an audience that in comfortable being an audience that in comfortable being an audience that in other words there just didn't seem to be other words there just didn't seem to be other words there just didn't seem to be any bleed over like nobody was at least any bleed over like nobody was at least any bleed over like nobody was at least to my sense of it no one was sitting to my sense of it no one was sitting to my sense of it no one was sitting there going man I wish I was up there there going man I wish I was up there there going man I wish I was up there they were really happy to be in the they were really happy to be in the they were really happy to be in the audience and the people on stage by and audience and the people on stage by and audience and the people on stage by and large were really happy happy to be large were really happy happy to be large were really happy happy to be there and everybody knew their role and there and everybody knew their role and there and everybody knew their role and so you could have this this Dynamic so you could have this this Dynamic so you could have this this Dynamic where for 48 hours straight one after where for 48 hours straight one after where for 48 hours straight one after the next after the next came up to tell the next after the next came up to tell the next after the next came up to tell their stories and share their ideas to their stories and share their ideas to their stories and share their ideas to an audience who was enthusiastically an audience who was enthusiastically an audience who was enthusiastically game to be just that and I guess maybe a game to be just that and I guess maybe a game to be just that and I guess maybe a better way to make the point I'm not I'm better way to make the point I'm not I'm better way to make the point I'm not I'm not supposed to talk about this but I I not supposed to talk about this but I I not supposed to talk about this but I I was invited wants to speak at the was invited wants to speak at the was invited wants to speak at the Bohemian Grove are you familiar with Bohemian Grove are you familiar with Bohemian Grove are you familiar with this I don't think so we have a Bohemian this I don't think so we have a Bohemian this I don't think so we have a Bohemian thing here but I doubt it's the same thing here but I doubt it's the same thing here but I doubt it's the same thing what is Bohemian Grove well the thing what is Bohemian Grove well the thing what is Bohemian Grove well the Bohemian Club is the oldest men's club Bohemian Club is the oldest men's club Bohemian Club is the oldest men's club in the world okay all right I didn't in the world okay all right I didn't in the world okay all right I didn't know that actually yeah I mean it's it know that actually yeah I mean it's it know that actually yeah I mean it's it was founded I think by like Jack London was founded I think by like Jack London was founded I think by like Jack London and you know some true Bohemians of the

and you know some true Bohemians of the and you know some true Bohemians of the day right and today it's you know filled day right and today it's you know filled day right and today it's you know filled with world leaders and captains of with world leaders and captains of with world leaders and captains of industry and so forth and um is this industry and so forth and um is this industry and so forth and um is this your big meeting with the Illuminati your big meeting with the Illuminati your big meeting with the Illuminati that you're going to spill here that you're going to spill here that you're going to spill here now with the alien at the table and now with the alien at the table and now with the alien at the table and Homer Simpson and yeah yeah yeah that's Homer Simpson and yeah yeah yeah that's Homer Simpson and yeah yeah yeah that's it's that thing that's out there in the it's that thing that's out there in the it's that thing that's out there in the Zeitgeist and you know all the Alex Zeitgeist and you know all the Alex Zeitgeist and you know all the Alex Jones stuff and PE people have talked Jones stuff and PE people have talked Jones stuff and PE people have talked about it for years but um I won't get about it for years but um I won't get about it for years but um I won't get into the details but I'll tell you into the details but I'll tell you into the details but I'll tell you something I saw that crystallizes this something I saw that crystallizes this something I saw that crystallizes this point perfectly every year they put on a point perfectly every year they put on a point perfectly every year they put on a a terrific play The Grove play and it a terrific play The Grove play and it a terrific play The Grove play and it involves a full Orchestra um with some involves a full Orchestra um with some involves a full Orchestra um with some first chair players and all the relative first chair players and all the relative first chair players and all the relative sections it involves Broadway actors it sections it involves Broadway actors it sections it involves Broadway actors it involves a real score and a real involves a real score and a real involves a real score and a real liberetto and and a real script I mean liberetto and and a real script I mean liberetto and and a real script I mean it's a it's a full-on it's a it's a full-on it's a it's a full-on production and it takes place up there production and it takes place up there production and it takes place up there in the woods and the first time I saw in the woods and the first time I saw in the woods and the first time I saw one I I was so struck by what happened one I I was so struck by what happened one I I was so struck by what happened at the end of it they uh they burned at the end of it they uh they burned at the end of it they uh they burned the script and I wasn't sure why or what I script and I wasn't sure why or what I was looking at but part of me was kind was looking at but part of me was kind was looking at but part of me was kind of appalled and part of me was excited of appalled and part of me was excited of appalled and part of me was excited and the more I thought about it the more and the more I thought about it the more and the more I thought about it the more I realized that oh this will never I realized that oh this will never I realized that oh this will never happen again on the face of the Earth

happen again on the face of the Earth happen again on the face of the Earth this will never this performance was one this will never this performance was one this will never this performance was one it was a one-off and done and that's the it was a one-off and done and that's the it was a one-off and done and that's the opposite of problem way that's the opposite of problem way that's the opposite of problem way that's the opposite of podcasting that's the opposite of podcasting that's the opposite of podcasting that's the opposite of look at me that's the opposite of look at me that's the opposite of look at me that's the opposite of all of the things that seem opposite of all of the things that seem opposite of all of the things that seem to have real traction today and and what to have real traction today and and what to have real traction today and and what it does is it elevates the importance of it does is it elevates the importance of it does is it elevates the importance of the people in the audience because now the people in the audience because now the people in the audience because now they're the only ones walking around they're the only ones walking around they're the only ones walking around with a recollection of this singular with a recollection of this singular with a recollection of this singular event indulgent maybe but if you're event indulgent maybe but if you're event indulgent maybe but if you're looking for ways to think differently looking for ways to think differently looking for ways to think differently about how to elevate your audience how about how to elevate your audience how about how to elevate your audience how to magnify the experience well you start to magnify the experience well you start to magnify the experience well you start with scarcity which would lead you to with scarcity which would lead you to with scarcity which would lead you to never ever run it again it's the never ever run it again it's the never ever run it again it's the opposite of syndication Dan it's the opposite of syndication Dan it's the opposite of syndication Dan it's the opposite of what success looks like in opposite of what success looks like in opposite of what success looks like in our business but there's crossover so our business but there's crossover so our business but there's crossover so let me ask you did they film that Ted let me ask you did they film that Ted let me ask you did they film that Ted Talk you did oh yeah okay so I watched Talk you did oh yeah okay so I watched Talk you did oh yeah okay so I watched like Sir Ken sir is it Ken Robinson or like Sir Ken sir is it Ken Robinson or like Sir Ken sir is it Ken Robinson or Ken Anderson the one who did the Wonder Ken Anderson the one who did the Wonder Ken Anderson the one who did the Wonder and bazillion people have seen that but and bazillion people have seen that but and bazillion people have seen that but you're right when it was live it was a you're right when it was live it was a you're right when it was live it was a small room full of people but I feel small room full of people but I feel small room full of people but I feel like I feel like everything you said like I feel like everything you said like I feel like everything you said about the audience and being there and about the audience and being there and about the audience and being there and the one-off is all true and yet he was the one-off is all true and yet he was the one-off is all true and yet he was able along with everyone else to sweep able along with everyone else to sweep able along with everyone else to sweep that then into a place where people who that then into a place where people who that then into a place where people who live across the world and who never live across the world and who never live across the world and who never could have gotten to that event got to

could have gotten to that event got to could have gotten to that event got to share well first of all not just share share well first of all not just share share well first of all not just share whatever he was transmitting but I mean whatever he was transmitting but I mean whatever he was transmitting but I mean I'm looking at it from the guy uh when I'm looking at it from the guy uh when I'm looking at it from the guy uh when when when I did when I did my tedex when when I did when I did my tedex when when I did when I did my tedex thing it was right when we were trying thing it was right when we were trying thing it was right when we were trying to get the very last and I mean to get the very last and I mean to get the very last and I mean literally the day of blueprint for literally the day of blueprint for literally the day of blueprint for Armageddon out and so I'm trying to Armageddon out and so I'm trying to Armageddon out and so I'm trying to remember this script I wrote Because I remember this script I wrote Because I remember this script I wrote Because I never work with scripts and they don't never work with scripts and they don't never work with scripts and they don't let you have notes right and I'm trying let you have notes right and I'm trying let you have notes right and I'm trying to remember this while I'm taking phone to remember this while I'm taking phone to remember this while I'm taking phone calls about the artwork for the show or calls about the artwork for the show or calls about the artwork for the show or trying to get out that so it was one of trying to get out that so it was one of trying to get out that so it was one of those things where I turned to my wife I those things where I turned to my wife I those things where I turned to my wife I said I'm not going to remember this and said I'm not going to remember this and said I'm not going to remember this and I was the featured speaker too I'm like I was the featured speaker too I'm like I was the featured speaker too I'm like it's so it was not the greatest day of it's so it was not the greatest day of it's so it was not the greatest day of my life but um when you get in there and my life but um when you get in there and my life but um when you get in there and you realize how many people can then you realize how many people can then you realize how many people can then watch it later you realize okay so watch it later you realize okay so watch it later you realize okay so whatever work I put into that script was whatever work I put into that script was whatever work I put into that script was not just for those I I don't know what not just for those I I don't know what not just for those I I don't know what the crowd size was but but all of a the crowd size was but but all of a the crowd size was but but all of a sudden you realize just like with a sudden you realize just like with a sudden you realize just like with a podcast I always say I'd love to know podcast I always say I'd love to know podcast I always say I'd love to know you know in 40 years how many people you know in 40 years how many people you know in 40 years how many people heard we'll just say blueprint for heard we'll just say blueprint for heard we'll just say blueprint for Armageddon one right and the answer is Armageddon one right and the answer is Armageddon one right and the answer is of course you don't know how many people of course you don't know how many people of course you don't know how many people will eventually see the Sir Ken Robinson will eventually see the Sir Ken Robinson will eventually see the Sir Ken Robinson thing it's like I I compare it to like thing it's like I I compare it to like thing it's like I I compare it to like record albums and if you say cuz people record albums and if you say cuz people record albums and if you say cuz people will say to me well how many listeners will say to me well how many listeners will say to me well how many listeners or subscribers or whatever do you have or subscribers or whatever do you have or subscribers or whatever do you have and I'll go that's not I can't figured and I'll go that's not I can't figured and I'll go that's not I can't figured out that way I said it's like a jimmi out that way I said it's like a jimmi out that way I said it's like a jimmi Hendrick album right uh if you say how Hendrick album right uh if you say how Hendrick album right uh if you say how many people have heard the jimmi many people have heard the jimmi many people have heard the jimmi Hendrick album well that's a different Hendrick album well that's a different Hendrick album well that's a different number yesterday than it is today than number yesterday than it is today than number yesterday than it is today than it is tomorrow right it's a move so what it is tomorrow right it's a move so what it is tomorrow right it's a move so what we're doing here is so so what you're we're doing here is so so what you're we're doing here is so so what you're doing with your your podcast what I'm doing with your your podcast what I'm doing with your your podcast what I'm doing with money is different than like doing with money is different than like doing with money is different than like dirty jobs where uh that's something dirty jobs where uh that's something dirty jobs where uh that's something that that that you know it airs and that that that you know it airs and that that that you know it airs and people see it when they see it but but people see it when they see it but but people see it when they see it but but our thing is Ono right what what we're

our thing is Ono right what what we're our thing is Ono right what what we're doing is a continuation and and the doing is a continuation and and the doing is a continuation and and the number of people that are eventually number of people that are eventually number of people that are eventually going to see it maybe it's similar cuz going to see it maybe it's similar cuz going to see it maybe it's similar cuz how many people are going to see Dirty how many people are going to see Dirty how many people are going to see Dirty Jobs before it it crumbles into the Jobs before it it crumbles into the Jobs before it it crumbles into the ocean right unknowable and unknowable I ocean right unknowable and unknowable I ocean right unknowable and unknowable I mean look it's too different things you mean look it's too different things you mean look it's too different things you come out with new content constantly come out with new content constantly come out with new content constantly well constantly is a is a nice word to well constantly is a is a nice word to well constantly is a is a nice word to use for how often I get stuff released use for how often I get stuff released use for how often I get stuff released but thank you your your occasionally is but thank you your your occasionally is but thank you your your occasionally is probably more accurate I suppose your probably more accurate I suppose your probably more accurate I suppose your Cadence is uh fluid as they say that's Cadence is uh fluid as they say that's Cadence is uh fluid as they say that's right um now I did 350 Dirty Jobs it's right um now I did 350 Dirty Jobs it's right um now I did 350 Dirty Jobs it's aired every single day for for 22 years aired every single day for for 22 years aired every single day for for 22 years I don't know that it will ever stop I'm I don't know that it will ever stop I'm I don't know that it will ever stop I'm pretty sure I'll never do another new pretty sure I'll never do another new pretty sure I'll never do another new one but there it is it has this weird one but there it is it has this weird one but there it is it has this weird Evergreen quality thank God because it's Evergreen quality thank God because it's Evergreen quality thank God because it's nice to have those things in your uh in nice to have those things in your uh in nice to have those things in your uh in your world um the Ted talk to your point your world um the Ted talk to your point your world um the Ted talk to your point was also really beneficial for me but I was also really beneficial for me but I was also really beneficial for me but I didn't know it when it was happening didn't know it when it was happening didn't know it when it was happening right and I so maybe there's what who is right and I so maybe there's what who is right and I so maybe there's what who is it Heisenberg the uncertainty unty it Heisenberg the uncertainty unty it Heisenberg the uncertainty unty principle yeah yeah so the act of principle yeah yeah so the act of principle yeah yeah so the act of observing a thing changes a thing now observing a thing changes a thing now observing a thing changes a thing now had I known when I took that stage that had I known when I took that stage that had I known when I took that stage that the story I was going to tell about oral the story I was going to tell about oral the story I was going to tell about oral castration and its legitimate role in castration and its legitimate role in castration and its legitimate role in modern-day animal husbandry had I known modern-day animal husbandry had I known modern-day animal husbandry had I known that that was going to be viewed four or that that was going to be viewed four or that that was going to be viewed four or five million times and opened the door five million times and opened the door five million times and opened the door if I did it right to an entire speaking if I did it right to an entire speaking if I did it right to an entire speaking business you know had had I been

business you know had had I been business you know had had I been thinking about that I suspect I would thinking about that I suspect I would thinking about that I suspect I would have bitched it up you know I was going have bitched it up you know I was going have bitched it up you know I was going to say he shut you down almost right and to say he shut you down almost right and to say he shut you down almost right and this is the other thing that I think this is the other thing that I think this is the other thing that I think about now all of the time like when I about now all of the time like when I about now all of the time like when I when you think about how Lenny Bruce got when you think about how Lenny Bruce got when you think about how Lenny Bruce got great when you think about how great great when you think about how great great when you think about how great comedians came up and the way they comedians came up and the way they comedians came up and the way they failed or were allowed to fail in small failed or were allowed to fail in small failed or were allowed to fail in small clubs and then slightly less small clubs clubs and then slightly less small clubs clubs and then slightly less small clubs right and then the failure became less right and then the failure became less right and then the failure became less humiliated and then turns now now humiliated and then turns now now humiliated and then turns now now they're not failing but they're not they're not failing but they're not they're not failing but they're not killing it right they they had a chance killing it right they they had a chance killing it right they they had a chance to hone their craft in front of an to hone their craft in front of an to hone their craft in front of an audience that was as limited as the one audience that was as limited as the one audience that was as limited as the one I described in the woods it never went I described in the woods it never went I described in the woods it never went beyond beyond beyond that people weren't all armed with a that people weren't all armed with a that people weren't all armed with a state-of-the-art camera recording every state-of-the-art camera recording every state-of-the-art camera recording every full thing that the guy said on the full thing that the guy said on the full thing that the guy said on the stage and they weren't running home stage and they weren't running home stage and they weren't running home minutes later to share it on whatever minutes later to share it on whatever minutes later to share it on whatever full platform they favor and so so you full platform they favor and so so you full platform they favor and so so you know if you're a bad comic and you have know if you're a bad comic and you have know if you're a bad comic and you have a bad night early in your career that a bad night early in your career that a bad night early in your career that can be the end of your whole deal can be the end of your whole deal can be the end of your whole deal because the 30 people who were because the 30 people who were because the 30 people who were there no longer count they're just the there no longer count they're just the there no longer count they're just the first line of a massive amount of first line of a massive amount of first line of a massive amount of dissemination think about Michael dissemination think about Michael dissemination think about Michael Richards think about the unfortunate Richards think about the unfortunate Richards think about the unfortunate evening he had with in front of a 100 Ru evening he had with in front of a 100 Ru evening he had with in front of a 100 Ru your life one night that's it I'll tell your life one night that's it I'll tell your life one night that's it I'll tell you something about what you said's

you something about what you said's you something about what you said's right because because I and I used to right because because I and I used to right because because I and I used to talk about it too the the the blessing talk about it too the the the blessing talk about it too the the the blessing that we had uh like when I was on the that we had uh like when I was on the that we had uh like when I was on the radio um making all the mistakes that radio um making all the mistakes that radio um making all the mistakes that would may like I've got a thousand uh would may like I've got a thousand uh would may like I've got a thousand uh cassettes somewhere in my garage here cassettes somewhere in my garage here cassettes somewhere in my garage here from my old radio days I can't listen to from my old radio days I can't listen to from my old radio days I can't listen to any of them for 30 seconds right and and any of them for 30 seconds right and and any of them for 30 seconds right and and it's one of those things where you go it's one of those things where you go it's one of those things where you go thank God that was off into the ether thank God that was off into the ether thank God that was off into the ether and if you didn't hear it live you and if you didn't hear it live you and if you didn't hear it live you didn't hear it and I thought it's sad I didn't hear it and I thought it's sad I didn't hear it and I thought it's sad I think Dan Patrick said something about think Dan Patrick said something about think Dan Patrick said something about this too he would ha to see all of the this too he would ha to see all of the this too he would ha to see all of the mistakes that he made as an upand mistakes that he made as an upand mistakes that he made as an upand cominging person replayed now but he cominging person replayed now but he cominging person replayed now but he doesn't have to worry about that but you doesn't have to worry about that but you doesn't have to worry about that but you sure as heck do if you're coming up sure as heck do if you're coming up sure as heck do if you're coming up these days I mean any little learning these days I mean any little learning these days I mean any little learning error like you said faux PA or and if error like you said faux PA or and if error like you said faux PA or and if you've never been by the way ladies and you've never been by the way ladies and you've never been by the way ladies and gentlemen in a live shot ever I can just gentlemen in a live shot ever I can just gentlemen in a live shot ever I can just tell you you don't always even know tell you you don't always even know tell you you don't always even know what's coming out of your mouth so to be what's coming out of your mouth so to be what's coming out of your mouth so to be held responsible for it for the rest of held responsible for it for the rest of held responsible for it for the rest of your life um you know there was your life um you know there was your life um you know there was something to be said for the era we came something to be said for the era we came something to be said for the era we came up in and stuff being gone after you did up in and stuff being gone after you did up in and stuff being gone after you did it over over I had an old boss over at it over over I had an old boss over at it over over I had an old boss over at CBS at Kix I was hosting a show called CBS at Kix I was hosting a show called CBS at Kix I was hosting a show called evening magazine and I used to really evening magazine and I used to really evening magazine and I used to really agonize over the quality of a story a agonize over the quality of a story a agonize over the quality of a story a segment whatever I worked on you know I segment whatever I worked on you know I segment whatever I worked on you know I I I wanted it to be as good as it could I I wanted it to be as good as it could I I wanted it to be as good as it could be and we were on the air every night at be and we were on the air every night at be and we were on the air every night at 7:00 and it was like that scene from 7:00 and it was like that scene from 7:00 and it was like that scene from Broadcast News we were always in the Broadcast News we were always in the Broadcast News we were always in the edit Bay at 6:50 putting the show edit Bay at 6:50 putting the show edit Bay at 6:50 putting the show together and somebody had to run it up together and somebody had to run it up together and somebody had to run it up and slap it in the machine and then it and slap it in the machine and then it and slap it in the machine and then it would go on the air and I remember

would go on the air and I remember would go on the air and I remember calling this guy Mike work was his name calling this guy Mike work was his name calling this guy Mike work was his name and I would call him at like 6:30 and and I would call him at like 6:30 and and I would call him at like 6:30 and say hey man how does the peace look you say hey man how does the peace look you say hey man how does the peace look you know is it good and he would say Mike know is it good and he would say Mike know is it good and he would say Mike it's better than good it's it's better than good it's it's better than good it's done and and so you know you can mourn done and and so you know you can mourn done and and so you know you can mourn the ruination of your standards when the ruination of your standards when the ruination of your standards when you're in that kind of meat grinder you're in that kind of meat grinder you're in that kind of meat grinder doing a Daily Show or even a weekly show doing a Daily Show or even a weekly show doing a Daily Show or even a weekly show if you're under that you know Saturday if you're under that you know Saturday if you're under that you know Saturday Night Live is Relentless pressure Night Live is Relentless pressure Night Live is Relentless pressure throughout the week and then it ends and throughout the week and then it ends and throughout the week and then it ends and then it starts again but I'm so then it starts again but I'm so then it starts again but I'm so interested in your uh reticence to look interested in your uh reticence to look interested in your uh reticence to look back at your old shows I I'm similarly back at your old shows I I'm similarly back at your old shows I I'm similarly Afflicted and and I think part of the Afflicted and and I think part of the Afflicted and and I think part of the reason is and and and Dan Patrick made reason is and and and Dan Patrick made reason is and and and Dan Patrick made the point too if you if you think of if the point too if you if you think of if the point too if you if you think of if you care about the work you do you care about the work you do you care about the work you do artistically or just you know from an artistically or just you know from an artistically or just you know from an accuracy standpoint then all of your accuracy standpoint then all of your accuracy standpoint then all of your Equity all of your turn is in the next Equity all of your turn is in the next Equity all of your turn is in the next thing that you thing that you thing that you do but you and I are not paid for the do but you and I are not paid for the do but you and I are not paid for the next thing we do we're paid for the last next thing we do we're paid for the last next thing we do we're paid for the last bunch of stuff we did the stuff that bunch of stuff we did the stuff that bunch of stuff we did the stuff that ironically and perhaps even tragically ironically and perhaps even tragically ironically and perhaps even tragically we can't bring ourselves to look we can't bring ourselves to look we can't bring ourselves to look at no everybody always says what's your at no everybody always says what's your at no everybody always says what's your favorite show that you've done and I favorite show that you've done and I favorite show that you've done and I always say the next one cuz I haven't always say the next one cuz I haven't always say the next one cuz I haven't screwed it up yet you know um but it is screwed it up yet you know um but it is screwed it up yet you know um but it is I mean you know a lot of painters and

I mean you know a lot of painters and I mean you know a lot of painters and people like that I'll tell you story people like that I'll tell you story people like that I'll tell you story about my my wife just to get back to about my my wife just to get back to about my my wife just to get back to this idea of how we hold people this idea of how we hold people this idea of how we hold people responsible for things but if you you responsible for things but if you you responsible for things but if you you know you need to do a dirty jobs about know you need to do a dirty jobs about know you need to do a dirty jobs about what it's like to be a TV reporter what it's like to be a TV reporter what it's like to be a TV reporter sometime because the the so so she was sometime because the the so so she was sometime because the the so so she was um she was a TV report she was a a radio um she was a TV report she was a a radio um she was a TV report she was a a radio reporter at this time and she's off at reporter at this time and she's off at reporter at this time and she's off at one of the mass shootings that happened one of the mass shootings that happened one of the mass shootings that happened and so she's on the scene she was one of and so she's on the scene she was one of and so she's on the scene she was one of the first people there and she's a young the first people there and she's a young the first people there and she's a young reporter at the time it was certainly reporter at the time it was certainly reporter at the time it was certainly the biggest story she'd ever worked on the biggest story she'd ever worked on the biggest story she'd ever worked on so because she's on the scene she we so because she's on the scene she we so because she's on the scene she we were CBS station so she's feeding all were CBS station so she's feeding all were CBS station so she's feeding all the info from ground zero to CBS and so the info from ground zero to CBS and so the info from ground zero to CBS and so they're using her information across the they're using her information across the they're using her information across the country so they go to her live um and country so they go to her live um and country so they go to her live um and they're using her information for all they're using her information for all they're using her information for all the background so they essentially read the background so they essentially read the background so they essentially read everything that's going on and then go everything that's going on and then go everything that's going on and then go to her live in the field well she said to her live in the field well she said to her live in the field well she said everything they read was what I just fed everything they read was what I just fed everything they read was what I just fed them that was everything I was just them that was everything I was just them that was everything I was just going to say to them so they just went going to say to them so they just went going to say to them so they just went to her live on all the stations around to her live on all the stations around to her live on all the stations around the country and they just did her whole the country and they just did her whole the country and they just did her whole Spiel as part of the introduction to her Spiel as part of the introduction to her Spiel as part of the introduction to her so you're a 25-year-old reporter now so you're a 25-year-old reporter now so you're a 25-year-old reporter now sitting there in the biggest story of sitting there in the biggest story of sitting there in the biggest story of your life with nothing to say so what your life with nothing to say so what your life with nothing to say so what comes out of your mouth you know and and comes out of your mouth you know and and comes out of your mouth you know and and then are you held thank God it's not a then are you held thank God it's not a then are you held thank God it's not a Michael Richard situation or whatever Michael Richard situation or whatever Michael Richard situation or whatever the equivalent might be right I'll tell the equivalent might be right I'll tell the equivalent might be right I'll tell you man that is a crucible and I you man that is a crucible and I you man that is a crucible and I suspect I if she looks back on that I suspect I if she looks back on that I suspect I if she looks back on that I mean you're telling her story on her mean you're telling her story on her mean you're telling her story on her behalf because that moment is exactly behalf because that moment is exactly behalf because that moment is exactly what we're talking about it's it's what we're talking about it's it's what we're talking about it's it's pregnant it's it's filled with with

pregnant it's it's filled with with pregnant it's it's filled with with portent and consequence and you know to portent and consequence and you know to portent and consequence and you know to make the same point in a more absurd way make the same point in a more absurd way make the same point in a more absurd way I spent the first three years of my I spent the first three years of my I spent the first three years of my misspent career selling things on the misspent career selling things on the misspent career selling things on the QVC cable shopping channel in the middle QVC cable shopping channel in the middle QVC cable shopping channel in the middle of the night where there was no 7c delay of the night where there was no 7c delay of the night where there was no 7c delay there was no delay of any kind and no there was no delay of any kind and no there was no delay of any kind and no script and you sit there for three hours script and you sit there for three hours script and you sit there for three hours giant improv show that's exactly what it giant improv show that's exactly what it giant improv show that's exactly what it is you know if you can talk about the is you know if you can talk about the is you know if you can talk about the health Team infrared pain relief for 8 health Team infrared pain relief for 8 health Team infrared pain relief for 8 minutes or the amcore negative ion minutes or the amcore negative ion minutes or the amcore negative ion generator and somehow keep keep it on generator and somehow keep keep it on generator and somehow keep keep it on its feet then you okay that that's kind its feet then you okay that that's kind its feet then you okay that that's kind of it's not really it wasn't on my wish of it's not really it wasn't on my wish of it's not really it wasn't on my wish list it's not a thing to which I aspired list it's not a thing to which I aspired list it's not a thing to which I aspired but once you exercise that muscle you but once you exercise that muscle you but once you exercise that muscle you can find other things to apply it to can find other things to apply it to can find other things to apply it to obviously and boy oh boy you know I obviously and boy oh boy you know I obviously and boy oh boy you know I didn't talk about QVC for years and then didn't talk about QVC for years and then didn't talk about QVC for years and then somebody started posting videos of me somebody started posting videos of me somebody started posting videos of me half asleep or you know half in the bag half asleep or you know half in the bag half asleep or you know half in the bag in 1989 and that you don't even remember in 1989 and that you don't even remember in 1989 and that you don't even remember yeah no and yeah no and yeah no and man I don't know if there's a name for man I don't know if there's a name for man I don't know if there's a name for this like you can Google me right now this like you can Google me right now this like you can Google me right now and see me selling something called a and see me selling something called a and see me selling something called a cat sack which is just a a grocery bag cat sack which is just a a grocery bag cat sack which is just a a grocery bag lined with myar that your cat crawls in lined with myar that your cat crawls in lined with myar that your cat crawls in and just loves the crinkling sound so and just loves the crinkling sound so and just loves the crinkling sound so much that you'll pay $29.95 for it now much that you'll pay $29.95 for it now much that you'll pay $29.95 for it now now this happened in 1990 I know it

now this happened in 1990 I know it now this happened in 1990 I know it happened because I can Google it and I happened because I can Google it and I happened because I can Google it and I can see myself sitting there clear as can see myself sitting there clear as can see myself sitting there clear as day more hair better looking but you day more hair better looking but you day more hair better looking but you know there I am selling a cat sack Dan I know there I am selling a cat sack Dan I know there I am selling a cat sack Dan I have no memory of it there's like if have no memory of it there's like if have no memory of it there's like if somebody had pulled me aside absent that somebody had pulled me aside absent that somebody had pulled me aside absent that video I I would have said look I I don't video I I would have said look I I don't video I I would have said look I I don't think that happened that product sounds think that happened that product sounds think that happened that product sounds so so so completely insane and unbelievable no completely insane and unbelievable no completely insane and unbelievable no but then so like what's the name for the but then so like what's the name for the but then so like what's the name for the feeling when you see yourself doing feeling when you see yourself doing feeling when you see yourself doing something on a screen and you can't deny something on a screen and you can't deny something on a screen and you can't deny it's you and yet you have zero memory of it's you and yet you have zero memory of it's you and yet you have zero memory of it happening well that' be a good word it happening well that' be a good word it happening well that' be a good word for that absolutely well and I hear it for that absolutely well and I hear it for that absolutely well and I hear it on radio like people will say uh or on radio like people will say uh or on radio like people will say uh or people will bring up something I said 15 people will bring up something I said 15 people will bring up something I said 15 years ago you know a in a political years ago you know a in a political years ago you know a in a political sense and I'll be like hm well I'm sure sense and I'll be like hm well I'm sure sense and I'll be like hm well I'm sure I had some context when I said that I I had some context when I said that I I had some context when I said that I just don't remember what the context is just don't remember what the context is just don't remember what the context is um but but something I might have said um but but something I might have said um but but something I might have said yeah but people don't so so back in the yeah but people don't so so back in the yeah but people don't so so back in the old days before YouTube and before we old days before YouTube and before we old days before YouTube and before we were all broadcasters this was something were all broadcasters this was something were all broadcasters this was something that would only be understood by people that would only be understood by people that would only be understood by people who had done the job that's why I who had done the job that's why I who had done the job that's why I suggested maybe show what this is like suggested maybe show what this is like suggested maybe show what this is like for people especially when you're for people especially when you're for people especially when you're beneath the the 60 Minutes level right beneath the the 60 Minutes level right beneath the the 60 Minutes level right when you when a lot of people are when you when a lot of people are when you when a lot of people are carrying their own cameras these days carrying their own cameras these days carrying their own cameras these days and shooting their own standups right and shooting their own standups right and shooting their own standups right but but I mean now that we're all in but but I mean now that we're all in but but I mean now that we're all in that position if you're if you're doing that position if you're if you're doing that position if you're if you're doing the influencer thing or whatever you the influencer thing or whatever you the influencer thing or whatever you want to call it everybody gets a chance want to call it everybody gets a chance want to call it everybody gets a chance to feel like what that might be and to feel like what that might be and to feel like what that might be and especially if they're doing this is why especially if they're doing this is why especially if they're doing this is why I'm so happy to not be doing anything I'm so happy to not be doing anything I'm so happy to not be doing anything live anymore because you feel like you

live anymore because you feel like you live anymore because you feel like you can at least listen to it and go what can at least listen to it and go what can at least listen to it and go what the hell was I talking about there or the hell was I talking about there or the hell was I talking about there or whatever it might be right I mean like whatever it might be right I mean like whatever it might be right I mean like even this I mean I I'm enjoying this even this I mean I I'm enjoying this even this I mean I I'm enjoying this conversation I don't know what the hell conversation I don't know what the hell conversation I don't know what the hell it is but I'm enjoying the heck out of it is but I'm enjoying the heck out of it is but I'm enjoying the heck out of it I hope the audience likes it we it I hope the audience likes it we it I hope the audience likes it we haven't talked about history but I don't haven't talked about history but I don't haven't talked about history but I don't know I mean you do a history show we know I mean you do a history show we know I mean you do a history show we should pivot here you do you do a show should pivot here you do you do a show should pivot here you do you do a show where you talk about history and You' where you talk about history and You' where you talk about history and You' talked about history and you do a you do talked about history and you do a you do talked about history and you do a you do a Charles Oz good uh uh uh uh who was it a Charles Oz good uh uh uh uh who was it a Charles Oz good uh uh uh uh who was it uh um Paul Harvey Paul Harvey I don't uh um Paul Harvey Paul Harvey I don't uh um Paul Harvey Paul Harvey I don't know why his name escaped me because we know why his name escaped me because we know why his name escaped me because we used to listen to him every day he and used to listen to him every day he and used to listen to him every day he and Charles Osgood had like the dueling Charles Osgood had like the dueling Charles Osgood had like the dueling shows uh but you've brought that back shows uh but you've brought that back shows uh but you've brought that back from the dead and I always say that what from the dead and I always say that what from the dead and I always say that what we do with Hardcore History people think we do with Hardcore History people think we do with Hardcore History people think it's a new thing it's not a new thing it's a new thing it's not a new thing it's a new thing it's not a new thing it's an old thing it's the theater of it's an old thing it's the theater of it's an old thing it's the theater of the mine from Radio brought back but you the mine from Radio brought back but you the mine from Radio brought back but you doing the the OGG good and the Paul doing the the OGG good and the Paul doing the the OGG good and the Paul Harvey thing you know I mean once Harvey thing you know I mean once Harvey thing you know I mean once they're good ideas for a reason right they're good ideas for a reason right they're good ideas for a reason right well there are no new ideas at least I well there are no new ideas at least I well there are no new ideas at least I haven't seen one I I I've seen a lot of haven't seen one I I I've seen a lot of haven't seen one I I I've seen a lot of variations on a lot of themes variations on a lot of themes variations on a lot of themes um but I think I think the first time um but I think I think the first time um but I think I think the first time you and I spoke I I told you that I see you and I spoke I I told you that I see you and I spoke I I told you that I see you as a denisen of the deep end of the you as a denisen of the deep end of the you as a denisen of the deep end of the pool I live in the shallow end of the pool I live in the shallow end of the pool I live in the shallow end of the pool my the first podcast I ever pool my the first podcast I ever pool my the first podcast I ever listened to was blueprint for armagedon listened to was blueprint for armagedon listened to was blueprint for armagedon it was three and a half hours long I was it was three and a half hours long I was it was three and a half hours long I was I was uh I loved it I had to listen to I was uh I loved it I had to listen to I was uh I loved it I had to listen to it at two speed cuz you know who's got it at two speed cuz you know who's got it at two speed cuz you know who's got that kind of time but I loved it I loved that kind of time but I loved it I loved that kind of time but I loved it I loved it and I was also it was it I I was

it and I was also it was it I I was it and I was also it was it I I was equal parts impressed and intimidated equal parts impressed and intimidated equal parts impressed and intimidated cuz I knew I didn't have the time or the cuz I knew I didn't have the time or the cuz I knew I didn't have the time or the facility to do a three and a half hour facility to do a three and a half hour facility to do a three and a half hour show so I did a an 8-minute show a show so I did a an 8-minute show a show so I did a an 8-minute show a six-minute show I called it brief six-minute show I called it brief six-minute show I called it brief mysteries for the Curious mind with a mysteries for the Curious mind with a mysteries for the Curious mind with a short attention span I shamelessly stole short attention span I shamelessly stole short attention span I shamelessly stole Paul Harvey's idea I did Channel Charles Paul Harvey's idea I did Channel Charles Paul Harvey's idea I did Channel Charles caralt a little bit of Ood a little bit caralt a little bit of Ood a little bit caralt a little bit of Ood a little bit of studs irle a little bit of George of studs irle a little bit of George of studs irle a little bit of George Plimpton my whole I like George Plimpton Plimpton my whole I like George Plimpton Plimpton my whole I like George Plimpton a lot but he he deserves more attention a lot but he he deserves more attention a lot but he he deserves more attention than he's had he really does he was the than he's had he really does he was the than he's had he really does he was the first guy before the expression uh first guy before the expression uh first guy before the expression uh embedded reporter became colloquial ised embedded reporter became colloquial ised embedded reporter became colloquial ised he he really wouldn't write about he he really wouldn't write about he he really wouldn't write about something until he had experienced it something until he had experienced it something until he had experienced it whether it was paper lion or Paper Lion whether it was paper lion or Paper Lion whether it was paper lion or Paper Lion now you talk about a dirty job baby I now you talk about a dirty job baby I now you talk about a dirty job baby I mean and back in that era so for the mean and back in that era so for the mean and back in that era so for the people who don't know uh climton wrote a people who don't know uh climton wrote a people who don't know uh climton wrote a book he used to write books about job book he used to write books about job book he used to write books about job but he would like you said he would do but he would like you said he would do but he would like you said he would do the job okay but it's one thing to do a the job okay but it's one thing to do a the job okay but it's one thing to do a job that we could imagine ourselves job that we could imagine ourselves job that we could imagine ourselves doing one of the jobs Plimpton did was doing one of the jobs Plimpton did was doing one of the jobs Plimpton did was he went and played pro football with in he went and played pro football with in he went and played pro football with in in like spring training or something but in like spring training or something but in like spring training or something but with a lot of pro football players and with a lot of pro football players and with a lot of pro football players and then wrote about the experience and I then wrote about the experience and I then wrote about the experience and I recall what he said he said that if you recall what he said he said that if you recall what he said he said that if you got a a book written by a football got a a book written by a football got a a book written by a football player you would get a lot of inside player you would get a lot of inside player you would get a lot of inside information but he writes about it as an information but he writes about it as an information but he writes about it as an expert who can't see what you need expert who can't see what you need expert who can't see what you need explained right and so he would go and explained right and so he would go and explained right and so he would go and there was a amateur and say well here's there was a amateur and say well here's there was a amateur and say well here's what you really notice when you're a guy what you really notice when you're a guy what you really notice when you're a guy off the street thrown into the NFL and off the street thrown into the NFL and off the street thrown into the NFL and that's a unique perspective so I'm glad that's a unique perspective so I'm glad that's a unique perspective so I'm glad you brought him up he's a what and you

you brought him up he's a what and you you brought him up he's a what and you know little known fact about Plimpton know little known fact about Plimpton know little known fact about Plimpton and I could be wrong about this so let's and I could be wrong about this so let's and I could be wrong about this so let's check this I think George Plimpton was check this I think George Plimpton was check this I think George Plimpton was one of the guys who tackled Sirhan one of the guys who tackled Sirhan one of the guys who tackled Sirhan Sirhan when he shot at at RFK Rosie Sirhan when he shot at at RFK Rosie Sirhan when he shot at at RFK Rosie Greer and George Plimpton once again Greer and George Plimpton once again Greer and George Plimpton once again working with NFL people exactly no working with NFL people exactly no working with NFL people exactly no you're right he was he's like zelig in you're right he was he's like zelig in you're right he was he's like zelig in that way he kept popping up all over the that way he kept popping up all over the that way he kept popping up all over the place but look the whole notion of uh of place but look the whole notion of uh of place but look the whole notion of uh of an apprentice or a cipher or an avatar an apprentice or a cipher or an avatar an apprentice or a cipher or an avatar or a dilaton right that that was dirty or a dilaton right that that was dirty or a dilaton right that that was dirty jobs that I took that from from George jobs that I took that from from George jobs that I took that from from George um and and the reason was um and and the reason was um and and the reason was because he was a man of letters he he because he was a man of letters he he because he was a man of letters he he Paris review yeah he you know he he was Paris review yeah he you know he he was Paris review yeah he you know he he was the least likely cat to put himself into the least likely cat to put himself into the least likely cat to put himself into that that world and I just love that he that that world and I just love that he that that world and I just love that he did it and if you take that sensibility did it and if you take that sensibility did it and if you take that sensibility and combine it with coralz on the road and combine it with coralz on the road and combine it with coralz on the road on the road and then put Paul Harvey's on the road and then put Paul Harvey's on the road and then put Paul Harvey's the rest of the story on top of it yeah the rest of the story on top of it yeah the rest of the story on top of it yeah the structure yeah shake all that up and the structure yeah shake all that up and the structure yeah shake all that up and what do you have you've got a deep end what do you have you've got a deep end what do you have you've got a deep end of the pool with Plimpton and you have a of the pool with Plimpton and you have a of the pool with Plimpton and you have a true broadcaster with Harvey and you true broadcaster with Harvey and you true broadcaster with Harvey and you have a man in perpetual motion with have a man in perpetual motion with have a man in perpetual motion with caralt traveling the country on the road caralt traveling the country on the road caralt traveling the country on the road out there in his motor home and those out there in his motor home and those out there in his motor home and those three sensibilities together really three sensibilities together really three sensibilities together really intrigued me and and I I know I'm intrigued me and and I I know I'm intrigued me and and I I know I'm zigging and zagging here but that that

zigging and zagging here but that that zigging and zagging here but that that really really really informed uh my identity on Dirty Jobs I informed uh my identity on Dirty Jobs I informed uh my identity on Dirty Jobs I I didn't want to be a host I'd been a I didn't want to be a host I'd been a I didn't want to be a host I'd been a host for 15 years creating the illusion host for 15 years creating the illusion host for 15 years creating the illusion of competence and short burst and doing of competence and short burst and doing of competence and short burst and doing my standups and hitting the the uh my standups and hitting the the uh my standups and hitting the the uh masking tape with the X and looking masking tape with the X and looking masking tape with the X and looking earnestly into the lens again I'd like earnestly into the lens again I'd like earnestly into the lens again I'd like to have seen a Dirty Jobs on Mike Rose to have seen a Dirty Jobs on Mike Rose to have seen a Dirty Jobs on Mike Rose dirty job again you look it's out there dirty job again you look it's out there dirty job again you look it's out there man you you can't when you can't escape man you you can't when you can't escape man you you can't when you can't escape your past you might as well embrace it your past you might as well embrace it your past you might as well embrace it that's what YouTube really is for me that's what YouTube really is for me that's what YouTube really is for me it's it's the evidence that demands a it's it's the evidence that demands a it's it's the evidence that demands a verdict and in my personal case it's verdict and in my personal case it's verdict and in my personal case it's just the proof positive of all of the just the proof positive of all of the just the proof positive of all of the humiliations and fits and starts that humiliations and fits and starts that humiliations and fits and starts that eventually brought me to this eventually brought me to this eventually brought me to this conversation T but but people have no conversation T but but people have no conversation T but but people have no idea so so Circle back to the sizzle idea so so Circle back to the sizzle idea so so Circle back to the sizzle reel that I did right way back when so reel that I did right way back when so reel that I did right way back when so people you you you talk about hitting people you you you talk about hitting people you you you talk about hitting the X spot right so when I always said I the X spot right so when I always said I the X spot right so when I always said I was the I was the most I was the Columbo was the I was the most I was the Columbo was the I was the most I was the Columbo this is something that only our age this is something that only our age this is something that only our age group I was the Columbo of TV reporters group I was the Columbo of TV reporters group I was the Columbo of TV reporters right one more thing that's right and right one more thing that's right and right one more thing that's right and the hair was always looking back when I the hair was always looking back when I the hair was always looking back when I had hair like it was all you know so I had hair like it was all you know so I had hair like it was all you know so I was a crazy looking reporter I always was a crazy looking reporter I always was a crazy looking reporter I always thought in terms of rumpled and thought in terms of rumpled and thought in terms of rumpled and everything and and hitting the x's and everything and and hitting the x's and everything and and hitting the x's and all those things I knew I wasn't cut out all those things I knew I wasn't cut out all those things I knew I wasn't cut out to be a reporter when I got promoted and to be a reporter when I got promoted and to be a reporter when I got promoted and made it into like the station uh uh made it into like the station uh uh made it into like the station uh uh promos right so when they you know your promos right so when they you know your promos right so when they you know your trusted news team or whatever it is and trusted news team or whatever it is and trusted news team or whatever it is and you were supposed to start with a side you were supposed to start with a side you were supposed to start with a side profile and then turn to the camera and

profile and then turn to the camera and profile and then turn to the camera and then smile with sort of that I'm a then smile with sort of that I'm a then smile with sort of that I'm a trusted you know you're so everybody did trusted you know you're so everybody did trusted you know you're so everybody did this in like three to five takes and it this in like three to five takes and it this in like three to five takes and it was my turn to get in there and on take was my turn to get in there and on take was my turn to get in there and on take 50 the the the the cameraman who was a 50 the the the the cameraman who was a 50 the the the the cameraman who was a friend of mine said dude he said this is friend of mine said dude he said this is friend of mine said dude he said this is not going to work and you know it and not going to work and you know it and not going to work and you know it and and that's when I knew because it's like and that's when I knew because it's like and that's when I knew because it's like you said the hitting of the X right so you said the hitting of the X right so you said the hitting of the X right so on the sizzle reel I was doing it that's on the sizzle reel I was doing it that's on the sizzle reel I was doing it that's what the whole thing was like what am I what the whole thing was like what am I what the whole thing was like what am I doing with my hands what's going on here doing with my hands what's going on here doing with my hands what's going on here or like they took after a while we're on or like they took after a while we're on or like they took after a while we're on like take 25 or something they bring in like take 25 or something they bring in like take 25 or something they bring in a wardrobe person and again you'll a wardrobe person and again you'll a wardrobe person and again you'll probably know this I never even knew probably know this I never even knew probably know this I never even knew this happened and they start um uh what this happened and they start um uh what this happened and they start um uh what the clothes hanging clips what the the clothes hanging clips what the the clothes hanging clips what the little and they they go behind me and little and they they go behind me and little and they they go behind me and they start pinching my clothes Tighter they start pinching my clothes Tighter they start pinching my clothes Tighter and then putting clothes pins on the and then putting clothes pins on the and then putting clothes pins on the back of it and I'm sitting here going back of it and I'm sitting here going back of it and I'm sitting here going what the f am I even doing here you know what the f am I even doing here you know what the f am I even doing here you know I mean so so and and for people who are I mean so so and and for people who are I mean so so and and for people who are like this dirty jobs idea I understand like this dirty jobs idea I understand like this dirty jobs idea I understand that that getting into a sewer is awful that that getting into a sewer is awful that that getting into a sewer is awful and castrating sheep with your with your and castrating sheep with your with your and castrating sheep with your with your mouth is uh I'm still trying to get over mouth is uh I'm still trying to get over mouth is uh I'm still trying to get over the uh the damage you've done to me with the uh the damage you've done to me with the uh the damage you've done to me with that mental image but there is something that mental image but there is something that mental image but there is something about the I don't want to call it the about the I don't want to call it the about the I don't want to call it the fakeness I want to call it the the the fakeness I want to call it the the the fakeness I want to call it the the the the the sausage making of doing news and the the sausage making of doing news and the the sausage making of doing news and Reporting and everything else because Reporting and everything else because Reporting and everything else because there's something I think that would there's something I think that would there's something I think that would actually help the news audience to see actually help the news audience to see actually help the news audience to see more of how that sausage is made could I more of how that sausage is made could I more of how that sausage is made could I permission to rant on that for a moment permission to rant on that for a moment permission to rant on that for a moment yeah but yeah but I want you know we yeah but yeah but I want you know we yeah but yeah but I want you know we should get into all the crap that I'm should get into all the crap that I'm should get into all the crap that I'm going to take crap for and you're going going to take crap for and you're going going to take crap for and you're going to take crap for after but but go ahead

to take crap for after but but go ahead to take crap for after but but go ahead sh please ran away well look I mean it sh please ran away well look I mean it sh please ran away well look I mean it does it is adjacent to history it's the does it is adjacent to history it's the does it is adjacent to history it's the history of broadcasting which is in a history of broadcasting which is in a history of broadcasting which is in a way the history of authenticity and way the history of authenticity and way the history of authenticity and authority and these things are always in authority and these things are always in authority and these things are always in flux in my view and the the time you flux in my view and the the time you flux in my view and the the time you were describing when the clo pins were were describing when the clo pins were were describing when the clo pins were making your wardrobe look just so and making your wardrobe look just so and making your wardrobe look just so and the director had you in the right light the director had you in the right light the director had you in the right light and you were giving the blue steel look and you were giving the blue steel look and you were giving the blue steel look to the camera yeah Green Screen behind to the camera yeah Green Screen behind to the camera yeah Green Screen behind me yep that was a time me yep that was a time me yep that was a time when the the the protocols were when the the the protocols were when the the the protocols were universally accepted and we all knew universally accepted and we all knew universally accepted and we all knew what trust looked like live local late what trust looked like live local late what trust looked like live local late breaking and then the trusted face comes breaking and then the trusted face comes breaking and then the trusted face comes in and embarks upon one of the greatest in and embarks upon one of the greatest in and embarks upon one of the greatest contrivances ever created which is the contrivances ever created which is the contrivances ever created which is the singular Reliance upon the singular Reliance upon the singular Reliance upon the teleprompter and in those days you never teleprompter and in those days you never teleprompter and in those days you never saw the wide shot of the studio you saw the wide shot of the studio you saw the wide shot of the studio you never saw the teleprompter all you saw never saw the teleprompter all you saw never saw the teleprompter all you saw was a was a was a performance uh that I performance uh that I performance uh that I think is right on par with with any think is right on par with with any think is right on par with with any Academy Award nominee not necessarily in Academy Award nominee not necessarily in Academy Award nominee not necessarily in execution but in pretense every single execution but in pretense every single execution but in pretense every single thing about the newscaster is rooted in thing about the newscaster is rooted in thing about the newscaster is rooted in a lie the makeup the lights the crisp a lie the makeup the lights the crisp a lie the makeup the lights the crisp well modulated baritone the music that

well modulated baritone the music that well modulated baritone the music that ramps you into the event but most of all ramps you into the event but most of all ramps you into the event but most of all the the the teleprompter this notion of a guy teleprompter this notion of a guy teleprompter this notion of a guy staring earnestly into the lens for the staring earnestly into the lens for the staring earnestly into the lens for the express purpose of making you believe express purpose of making you believe express purpose of making you believe he's not reading he's not reading he's not reading begins to begins to begins to read the whole thing is a is a read the whole thing is a is a read the whole thing is a is a construct and the only political guy construct and the only political guy construct and the only political guy I've ever invited on my I've ever invited on my I've ever invited on my podcast was VI ramaswami and the reason podcast was VI ramaswami and the reason podcast was VI ramaswami and the reason I invited him on is because I heard him I invited him on is because I heard him I invited him on is because I heard him say somewhere if elected I will never say somewhere if elected I will never say somewhere if elected I will never give a speech with a teleprompter and I give a speech with a teleprompter and I give a speech with a teleprompter and I thought that was a bold claim and I thought that was a bold claim and I thought that was a bold claim and I wanted to talk to him about why and what wanted to talk to him about why and what wanted to talk to him about why and what ensued was a conversation around this ensued was a conversation around this ensued was a conversation around this incredible shift that happened not just incredible shift that happened not just incredible shift that happened not just in journalism but in all of broadcast in journalism but in all of broadcast in journalism but in all of broadcast where we transitioned from the age of where we transitioned from the age of where we transitioned from the age of authority where we as the audience would authority where we as the audience would authority where we as the audience would actually accept all of that [ __ ] actually accept all of that [ __ ] actually accept all of that [ __ ] right we would sit there and we' like we right we would sit there and we' like we right we would sit there and we' like we knew we were being sold a bill of goods knew we were being sold a bill of goods knew we were being sold a bill of goods by people who were reading somebody by people who were reading somebody by people who were reading somebody else's words but we stuck with it and we else's words but we stuck with it and we else's words but we stuck with it and we stuck with it right up until we didn't stuck with it right up until we didn't stuck with it right up until we didn't and the speed with which we left the age and the speed with which we left the age and the speed with which we left the age of authority and entered the age of of authority and entered the age of of authority and entered the age of authenticity uh is not something I would authenticity uh is not something I would authenticity uh is not something I would ever take credit for but I but I was ever take credit for but I but I was ever take credit for but I but I was there and you know Dirty Jobs we didn't there and you know Dirty Jobs we didn't there and you know Dirty Jobs we didn't do a second take we didn't cast anybody

do a second take we didn't cast anybody do a second take we didn't cast anybody you didn't do a second take really no you didn't do a second take really no you didn't do a second take really no only if I was only if I was doing um only if I was only if I was doing um only if I was only if I was doing um standups and like a Look Back special um standups and like a Look Back special um standups and like a Look Back special um you know those I would like to get right you know those I would like to get right you know those I would like to get right but at the end I would always show my but at the end I would always show my but at the end I would always show my mistakes because the real Secret Sauce mistakes because the real Secret Sauce mistakes because the real Secret Sauce of that show two things first of all of that show two things first of all of that show two things first of all when I realized that a guest had more when I realized that a guest had more when I realized that a guest had more credibility than a host at least in the credibility than a host at least in the credibility than a host at least in the normal construct the scales fell from my normal construct the scales fell from my normal construct the scales fell from my eyes oh my God all I have to do is show eyes oh my God all I have to do is show eyes oh my God all I have to do is show up and do the work the real host the up and do the work the real host the up and do the work the real host the real expert is the anonymous person real expert is the anonymous person real expert is the anonymous person who's inspecting the sewers that were who's inspecting the sewers that were who's inspecting the sewers that were profiling your job is to set up his profiling your job is to set up his profiling your job is to set up his stuff yeah that's it once I got that stuff yeah that's it once I got that stuff yeah that's it once I got that message I was on to something new and message I was on to something new and message I was on to something new and something that I felt was kind of something that I felt was kind of something that I felt was kind of exciting the second thing was really exciting the second thing was really exciting the second thing was really what kept the show on the air and that what kept the show on the air and that what kept the show on the air and that was and this is really the only thing I was and this is really the only thing I was and this is really the only thing I like to take credit for it's the thing like to take credit for it's the thing like to take credit for it's the thing I'm most proud of but I I insisted at I'm most proud of but I I insisted at I'm most proud of but I I insisted at the end of season 1 uh to get I didn't the end of season 1 uh to get I didn't the end of season 1 uh to get I didn't know what to call it because a behind know what to call it because a behind know what to call it because a behind the-scenes camera was not really a thing the-scenes camera was not really a thing the-scenes camera was not really a thing in those days this is 2004 in those days this is 2004 in those days this is 2004 um so I called it like a documentary um so I called it like a documentary um so I called it like a documentary camera and then I just called it the camera and then I just called it the camera and then I just called it the truth Cam and so we hired a guy who truth Cam and so we hired a guy who truth Cam and so we hired a guy who never stopped rolling who always stayed never stopped rolling who always stayed never stopped rolling who always stayed wide and great and filmed us making the wide and great and filmed us making the wide and great and filmed us making the show but it's like we were saying show but it's like we were saying show but it's like we were saying earlier Dan it was athma to the networks

earlier Dan it was athma to the networks earlier Dan it was athma to the networks This Is Us showing our ass this is us This Is Us showing our ass this is us This Is Us showing our ass this is us like that is the sausage being made it's like that is the sausage being made it's like that is the sausage being made it's the magic secrets exactly we gave it all the magic secrets exactly we gave it all the magic secrets exactly we gave it all up and and I mean this saved my life in up and and I mean this saved my life in up and and I mean this saved my life in a thousand different ways but from the a thousand different ways but from the a thousand different ways but from the from the mundane to like a plane flies from the mundane to like a plane flies from the mundane to like a plane flies over and screws up a take normally the over and screws up a take normally the over and screws up a take normally the whole production shuts down everything whole production shuts down everything whole production shuts down everything stops it's not usable except there was stops it's not usable except there was stops it's not usable except there was no such thing on dirty jobs so the main no such thing on dirty jobs so the main no such thing on dirty jobs so the main camera guys they might pause but I would camera guys they might pause but I would camera guys they might pause but I would just turn to the truth Cam and go you just turn to the truth Cam and go you just turn to the truth Cam and go you know what's up my ass today that's 747 know what's up my ass today that's 747 know what's up my ass today that's 747 of all the places to shoot we had to of all the places to shoot we had to of all the places to shoot we had to pick another flight path I can't get a pick another flight path I can't get a pick another flight path I can't get a freaking break called making making freaking break called making making freaking break called making making lemons into lemonade that's right but lemons into lemonade that's right but lemons into lemonade that's right but what it also did for whatever reason was what it also did for whatever reason was what it also did for whatever reason was um it let the audience know that I that um it let the audience know that I that um it let the audience know that I that I won't lie to them I might not get it I won't lie to them I might not get it I won't lie to them I might not get it right I might screw up some facts I right I might screw up some facts I right I might screw up some facts I might make all kinds of mistakes but I might make all kinds of mistakes but I might make all kinds of mistakes but I won't lie to you this is where I am this won't lie to you this is where I am this won't lie to you this is where I am this is what I'm doing these are the guys I is what I'm doing these are the guys I is what I'm doing these are the guys I rely on to do it if I'm going to walk rely on to do it if I'm going to walk rely on to do it if I'm going to walk out on some Gantry crane 600 feet in the out on some Gantry crane 600 feet in the out on some Gantry crane 600 feet in the air and I can feel my sphincter slam air and I can feel my sphincter slam air and I can feel my sphincter slam shut I'm going to let you know that that shut I'm going to let you know that that shut I'm going to let you know that that that sound you heard that was my that sound you heard that was my that sound you heard that was my sphincter slamming shut it was Radical sphincter slamming shut it was Radical sphincter slamming shut it was Radical disclosure and it gave me a level a disclosure and it gave me a level a disclosure and it gave me a level a weird level of of credibility and and weird level of of credibility and and weird level of of credibility and and trust and you know not to overstate it

trust and you know not to overstate it trust and you know not to overstate it but it it led to 38 different and new but it it led to 38 different and new but it it led to 38 different and new shows in cable that all sort of shows in cable that all sort of shows in cable that all sort of turned on that weird transition from the turned on that weird transition from the turned on that weird transition from the age of authority and believe me age of authority and believe me age of authority and believe me Discovery had it too right when I when I Discovery had it too right when I when I Discovery had it too right when I when I started there it was all about David started there it was all about David started there it was all about David attenburrow Richard attenburrow Jane attenburrow Richard attenburrow Jane attenburrow Richard attenburrow Jane Goodall jacqu custo really credible Goodall jacqu custo really credible Goodall jacqu custo really credible insiders right uh and if it was a insiders right uh and if it was a insiders right uh and if it was a narrator they all kind of sounded like narrator they all kind of sounded like narrator they all kind of sounded like this yeah right that all ended and the this yeah right that all ended and the this yeah right that all ended and the age of authority was age of authority was age of authority was replaced with with what I call the age replaced with with what I call the age replaced with with what I call the age of authenticity and a genuine no second of authenticity and a genuine no second of authenticity and a genuine no second take curiosity to see what's under the take curiosity to see what's under the take curiosity to see what's under the rock to have a look to come with us I rock to have a look to come with us I rock to have a look to come with us I don't know where we're going necessarily don't know where we're going necessarily don't know where we're going necessarily but you should come it's going to be fun but you should come it's going to be fun but you should come it's going to be fun and it's going to be honest and that was and it's going to be honest and that was and it's going to be honest and that was the show and boy the lessons I learned the show and boy the lessons I learned the show and boy the lessons I learned or relearned in 2004 2005 getting that or relearned in 2004 2005 getting that or relearned in 2004 2005 getting that thing on the air I I didn't realize it thing on the air I I didn't realize it thing on the air I I didn't realize it at the at the at the time but uh it was the midst of a time but uh it was the midst of a time but uh it was the midst of a seismic shift and just to land the plane seismic shift and just to land the plane seismic shift and just to land the plane real quick what's it mean today you know real quick what's it mean today you know real quick what's it mean today you know what's it I I I went through my whole uh what's it I I I went through my whole uh what's it I I I went through my whole uh experience with that but what's it mean experience with that but what's it mean experience with that but what's it mean for Bobby Kennedy what's it mean for our for Bobby Kennedy what's it mean for our for Bobby Kennedy what's it mean for our elected officials what's it mean for our elected officials what's it mean for our elected officials what's it mean for our science Community is there anything Dan

science Community is there anything Dan science Community is there anything Dan less less uh trustworthy today less less uh trustworthy today less less uh trustworthy today than a guy looking earnestly into the than a guy looking earnestly into the than a guy looking earnestly into the lens and saying trust me or take my word lens and saying trust me or take my word lens and saying trust me or take my word for it like in in the blink of an eye for it like in in the blink of an eye for it like in in the blink of an eye everything that used to be synonymous everything that used to be synonymous everything that used to be synonymous with trust has has shifted maybe not for with trust has has shifted maybe not for with trust has has shifted maybe not for the whole audience maybe you still have the whole audience maybe you still have the whole audience maybe you still have people in their 70s 80s and 90s who take people in their 70s 80s and 90s who take people in their 70s 80s and 90s who take comfort in that old style of comfort in that old style of comfort in that old style of communicating but you know hop on communicating but you know hop on communicating but you know hop on Instagram or YouTube or Tik Tok or any Instagram or YouTube or Tik Tok or any Instagram or YouTube or Tik Tok or any of them we are in a we're in a different of them we are in a we're in a different of them we are in a we're in a different world and and things that feel credible world and and things that feel credible world and and things that feel credible and things that feel genuinely and things that feel genuinely and things that feel genuinely trustworthy they're they're different trustworthy they're they're different trustworthy they're they're different than they were and let me stop you than they were and let me stop you than they were and let me stop you though because I think there's a romanti though because I think there's a romanti though because I think there's a romanti or we're romanticizing some things here or we're romanticizing some things here or we're romanticizing some things here I think and I think it has to do with so I think and I think it has to do with so I think and I think it has to do with so so it's like when you talk about the age so it's like when you talk about the age so it's like when you talk about the age of Authority or or when people talk of Authority or or when people talk of Authority or or when people talk about when media was credible or or about when media was credible or or about when media was credible or or unbiased or you know fill in the blank unbiased or you know fill in the blank unbiased or you know fill in the blank right I try to tell people that well if right I try to tell people that well if right I try to tell people that well if you look at the history of media we you look at the history of media we you look at the history of media we actually have about a 15 or 20 year era actually have about a 15 or 20 year era actually have about a 15 or 20 year era where I would consider it the Golden Age where I would consider it the Golden Age where I would consider it the Golden Age and everything else was I mean look and everything else was I mean look and everything else was I mean look there's a reason we have freedom of the there's a reason we have freedom of the there's a reason we have freedom of the press because in the 1780s and stuff um press because in the 1780s and stuff um press because in the 1780s and stuff um people would put out newspapers that we people would put out newspapers that we people would put out newspapers that we would today you know you and I remember

would today you know you and I remember would today you know you and I remember the age when people would just Xerox a the age when people would just Xerox a the age when people would just Xerox a few pages together stay them and stick few pages together stay them and stick few pages together stay them and stick them on everybody's windshield at the them on everybody's windshield at the them on everybody's windshield at the local market right that was somebody's local market right that was somebody's local market right that was somebody's idea of of of a new but that's very idea of of of a new but that's very idea of of of a new but that's very close to what some of the newspapers close to what some of the newspapers close to what some of the newspapers were in like colonial America and were in like colonial America and were in like colonial America and whatnot and they were biased as hell and whatnot and they were biased as hell and whatnot and they were biased as hell and they would take shots at individuals they would take shots at individuals they would take shots at individuals because the the person doing the because the the person doing the because the the person doing the printing didn't like this other printing didn't like this other printing didn't like this other individual and and then of course you individual and and then of course you individual and and then of course you know you go through the whole era of know you go through the whole era of know you go through the whole era of American uh newspapers and stuff until American uh newspapers and stuff until American uh newspapers and stuff until you reach the late 1800s and then we you reach the late 1800s and then we you reach the late 1800s and then we have the yellow journalism era right and have the yellow journalism era right and have the yellow journalism era right and then you go to the 20s and 30s and if then you go to the 20s and 30s and if then you go to the 20s and 30s and if you listen to a radio news broadcast you listen to a radio news broadcast you listen to a radio news broadcast cast oh my gosh all of our Spidey senses cast oh my gosh all of our Spidey senses cast oh my gosh all of our Spidey senses start going off like crazy cuz it sounds start going off like crazy cuz it sounds start going off like crazy cuz it sounds bias as hell it sounds like here's the bias as hell it sounds like here's the bias as hell it sounds like here's the official word from on high you know from official word from on high you know from official word from on high you know from the government though not from the the the government though not from the the the government though not from the the stations they're just parodying whatever stations they're just parodying whatever stations they're just parodying whatever the and then we hit the Vietnam era and the and then we hit the Vietnam era and the and then we hit the Vietnam era and if you look at the the reporting up if you look at the the reporting up if you look at the the reporting up until about until about until about 67 it still sounds very much 1950s rah 67 it still sounds very much 1950s rah 67 it still sounds very much 1950s rah rah you know good guys bad guys and then rah you know good guys bad guys and then rah you know good guys bad guys and then the crap hits the fan when we get like the crap hits the fan when we get like the crap hits the fan when we get like the 67 68 reporting and all of a sudden the 67 68 reporting and all of a sudden the 67 68 reporting and all of a sudden we have reporters in the field I'll we have reporters in the field I'll we have reporters in the field I'll never forget this you'll remember this never forget this you'll remember this never forget this you'll remember this this is an age thing I don't mean I this is an age thing I don't mean I this is an age thing I don't mean I don't mean you remember it live but don't mean you remember it live but don't mean you remember it live but you've seen it a million times just like you've seen it a million times just like you've seen it a million times just like I have when the it's during the Ted I have when the it's during the Ted I have when the it's during the Ted offensive it's outside way I believe And offensive it's outside way I believe And offensive it's outside way I believe And the reporter is literally there at the the reporter is literally there at the the reporter is literally there at the firefight and this is you know these are firefight and this is you know these are firefight and this is you know these are not ineds these are I mean Hunter not ineds these are I mean Hunter not ineds these are I mean Hunter Thompson went to Vietnam and almost Thompson went to Vietnam and almost Thompson went to Vietnam and almost ended up in the wrong area right because ended up in the wrong area right because ended up in the wrong area right because he because you could just get a Jeep get he because you could just get a Jeep get he because you could just get a Jeep get an interpreter and go right so this an interpreter and go right so this an interpreter and go right so this reporter is literally interviewing our

reporter is literally interviewing our reporter is literally interviewing our soldiers they come down from shooting soldiers they come down from shooting soldiers they come down from shooting their rifles over a wall to reload and their rifles over a wall to reload and their rifles over a wall to reload and he sticks the mic in the face and I he sticks the mic in the face and I he sticks the mic in the face and I remember the one soldier he says it's remember the one soldier he says it's remember the one soldier he says it's hell I just want to go home okay well hell I just want to go home okay well hell I just want to go home okay well that's where you get your War lost in that's where you get your War lost in that's where you get your War lost in the American living room idea right the American living room idea right the American living room idea right that's when we started embedding that's when we started embedding that's when we started embedding reporters that's when during the Reagan reporters that's when during the Reagan reporters that's when during the Reagan Administration during Grenada and stuff Administration during Grenada and stuff Administration during Grenada and stuff they started all these new rules about they started all these new rules about they started all these new rules about how because the idea was we're going to how because the idea was we're going to how because the idea was we're going to manage this because we used to manage it manage this because we used to manage it manage this because we used to manage it and it went better but letting these and it went better but letting these and it went better but letting these people go Rogue and then of course that people go Rogue and then of course that people go Rogue and then of course that was when there was if you're looking at was when there was if you're looking at was when there was if you're looking at CBS NBC ABC that's when there was a bit CBS NBC ABC that's when there was a bit CBS NBC ABC that's when there was a bit of unanimity in the way they were of unanimity in the way they were of unanimity in the way they were covering things once you get foxes and covering things once you get foxes and covering things once you get foxes and cables and cnns and 24-hour news cycles cables and cnns and 24-hour news cycles cables and cnns and 24-hour news cycles and and Analysis up the Wazoo the entire and and Analysis up the Wazoo the entire and and Analysis up the Wazoo the entire thing changes again and the part that thing changes again and the part that thing changes again and the part that people forget is that Once Upon a Time people forget is that Once Upon a Time people forget is that Once Upon a Time news wasn't about ratings uh when Walter news wasn't about ratings uh when Walter news wasn't about ratings uh when Walter kronite and those guys were doing news kronite and those guys were doing news kronite and those guys were doing news it was a requirement to own your your it was a requirement to own your your it was a requirement to own your your broadcast license broadcast license broadcast license and yet they they tried to figure out a and yet they they tried to figure out a and yet they they tried to figure out a way to make it pay and all of a sudden way to make it pay and all of a sudden way to make it pay and all of a sudden Walter KRON Kai would be selling Walter KRON Kai would be selling Walter KRON Kai would be selling cigarettes in the middle of the newscast cigarettes in the middle of the newscast cigarettes in the middle of the newscast right people forget about that or Edward right people forget about that or Edward right people forget about that or Edward R Murrow goes from interviewing movers R Murrow goes from interviewing movers R Murrow goes from interviewing movers and shakers to the latest you know movie and shakers to the latest you know movie and shakers to the latest you know movie star people forget about that too um but star people forget about that too um but star people forget about that too um but then once you get past that period you then once you get past that period you then once you get past that period you forget that now this is ratings right forget that now this is ratings right forget that now this is ratings right this isn't we got to do 15 minutes of this isn't we got to do 15 minutes of this isn't we got to do 15 minutes of news as part of our public service to news as part of our public service to news as part of our public service to keep our broadcast license and you have keep our broadcast license and you have keep our broadcast license and you have to be dragged Kicking and Screaming into to be dragged Kicking and Screaming into to be dragged Kicking and Screaming into doing it it's also not the a where you

doing it it's also not the a where you doing it it's also not the a where you and I both came up in when I was at and I both came up in when I was at and I both came up in when I was at ABC we had to have confirmation from our ABC we had to have confirmation from our ABC we had to have confirmation from our own people before we went on with own people before we went on with own people before we went on with anything and you couldn't quote another anything and you couldn't quote another anything and you couldn't quote another first of all you wouldn't want to quote first of all you wouldn't want to quote first of all you wouldn't want to quote another news station last thing you another news station last thing you another news station last thing you wanted to do in the era before you know wanted to do in the era before you know wanted to do in the era before you know taping and and videotapes and stuff was taping and and videotapes and stuff was taping and and videotapes and stuff was to tell somebody to change the channel to tell somebody to change the channel to tell somebody to change the channel so we would have our own people confirm so we would have our own people confirm so we would have our own people confirm everything so at no point would we at everything so at no point would we at everything so at no point would we at ABC go on and say well NBC News is ABC go on and say well NBC News is ABC go on and say well NBC News is reporting it looks terrible right so so reporting it looks terrible right so so reporting it looks terrible right so so when that happens there's a certain when that happens there's a certain when that happens there's a certain level of trust that goes with it when level of trust that goes with it when level of trust that goes with it when those guys can simply say hey somebody those guys can simply say hey somebody those guys can simply say hey somebody else who's asses on the line if this else who's asses on the line if this else who's asses on the line if this isn't real is saying this but we're isn't real is saying this but we're isn't real is saying this but we're going to piggyback on the story and tell going to piggyback on the story and tell going to piggyback on the story and tell you about it anyway quoting them that's you about it anyway quoting them that's you about it anyway quoting them that's a Bizarro world to the news world I grew a Bizarro world to the news world I grew a Bizarro world to the news world I grew up in but all of those decisions by the up in but all of those decisions by the up in but all of those decisions by the time I'm in news are all Financial are time I'm in news are all Financial are time I'm in news are all Financial are all ratings related or all audience all ratings related or all audience all ratings related or all audience related um to to piggy back on the story related um to to piggy back on the story related um to to piggy back on the story you said though about these guys looking you said though about these guys looking you said though about these guys looking in the teleprompt in the teleprompt in the teleprompt I I will never forget and every every I I will never forget and every every I I will never forget and every every News Room in America has something like News Room in America has something like News Room in America has something like this in Los Angeles it's earthquakes so this in Los Angeles it's earthquakes so this in Los Angeles it's earthquakes so you have cameras for like quick little you have cameras for like quick little you have cameras for like quick little things I don't even remember what we things I don't even remember what we things I don't even remember what we called like insta cams or all these called like insta cams or all these called like insta cams or all these things that are sitting in the room things that are sitting in the room things that are sitting in the room right where you can do an update or a right where you can do an update or a right where you can do an update or a news tease or whatever but when the news tease or whatever but when the news tease or whatever but when the earthquake happens in Los Angeles the earthquake happens in Los Angeles the earthquake happens in Los Angeles the entire Newsroom stops I've never seen entire Newsroom stops I've never seen entire Newsroom stops I've never seen anything like it by the way because it's anything like it by the way because it's anything like it by the way because it's like you know an ant farm and like you know an ant farm and like you know an ant farm and everybody's going on their own little everybody's going on their own little everybody's going on their own little business working on their own Stories business working on their own Stories business working on their own Stories the earthquake happens everybody stops the earthquake happens everybody stops the earthquake happens everybody stops and then the second the earthquake is and then the second the earthquake is and then the second the earthquake is over every every body moves in a

over every every body moves in a over every every body moves in a different direction because they know different direction because they know different direction because they know their whole job has just changed 180 their whole job has just changed 180 their whole job has just changed 180 degrees right everybody got that message degrees right everybody got that message degrees right everybody got that message at the same time but what would happen at the same time but what would happen at the same time but what would happen is nothing was ready at the set where is nothing was ready at the set where is nothing was ready at the set where you do the Nightly News for this so you you do the Nightly News for this so you you do the Nightly News for this so you turn on the InstaCam or whatever in The turn on the InstaCam or whatever in The turn on the InstaCam or whatever in The Newsroom and there's no copy for the Newsroom and there's no copy for the Newsroom and there's no copy for the person who's on the right so all of a person who's on the right so all of a person who's on the right so all of a sudden so all of a sudden some of the sudden so all of a sudden some of the sudden so all of a sudden some of the most high- paid and I will not mention most high- paid and I will not mention most high- paid and I will not mention their names because there many of them their names because there many of them their names because there many of them are still alive some of the highest paid are still alive some of the highest paid are still alive some of the highest paid most well-known anchors in America are most well-known anchors in America are most well-known anchors in America are up there fumbling over what to say say up there fumbling over what to say say up there fumbling over what to say say and other people that were not as high and other people that were not as high and other people that were not as high paid and not as well known just slay it paid and not as well known just slay it paid and not as well known just slay it live like that and that was realize yeah live like that and that was realize yeah live like that and that was realize yeah that's realized Dan in that moment you that's realized Dan in that moment you that's realized Dan in that moment you realize that that guy has been realize that that guy has been realize that that guy has been performing for you yes his whole life performing for you yes his whole life performing for you yes his whole life and let me just say that that was where and let me just say that that was where and let me just say that that was where I figured out what history majors who I figured out what history majors who I figured out what history majors who don't want to teach history can do right don't want to teach history can do right don't want to teach history can do right history journalism is the first draft of history journalism is the first draft of history journalism is the first draft of History so wouldn't you want a history History so wouldn't you want a history History so wouldn't you want a history major up there sort of trying to to major up there sort of trying to to major up there sort of trying to to whenever the assignment editor would whenever the assignment editor would whenever the assignment editor would need to sign stories and again this is need to sign stories and again this is need to sign stories and again this is Los Angeles so we had Hollywood Los Angeles so we had Hollywood Los Angeles so we had Hollywood reporters we had you know you had you reporters we had you know you had you reporters we had you know you had you had your reporters for certain gigs but had your reporters for certain gigs but had your reporters for certain gigs but we kept about 15 to 20% of the staff for we kept about 15 to 20% of the staff for we kept about 15 to 20% of the staff for hard news and the number of people in hard news and the number of people in hard news and the number of people in the hard news group that were history the hard news group that were history the hard news group that were history majors um that was where I first majors um that was where I first majors um that was where I first realized oh this is where you can go realized oh this is where you can go realized oh this is where you can go with a history degree and they never with a history degree and they never with a history degree and they never tell you that so there I tell you that so there I tell you that so there I think I I didn't mean to think I I didn't mean to think I I didn't mean to romanticize all of it yeah you're in romanticize all of it yeah you're in romanticize all of it yeah you're in trouble now then now I'm in trouble Mike

trouble now then now I'm in trouble Mike trouble now then now I'm in trouble Mike Row you romantic I thought I knew you Row you romantic I thought I knew you Row you romantic I thought I knew you that's right um no rainbows and unicorns that's right um no rainbows and unicorns that's right um no rainbows and unicorns on this show Mike yeah on this show Mike yeah on this show Mike yeah um getting it um getting it um getting it right being correct all of that stuff is right being correct all of that stuff is right being correct all of that stuff is noble and good and a part of noble and good and a part of noble and good and a part of disseminating information but it has disseminating information but it has disseminating information but it has nothing to do with the question I'm nothing to do with the question I'm nothing to do with the question I'm posing which is what is persu posing which is what is persu posing which is what is persu aive what is aive what is aive what is convincing you know the best quote in convincing you know the best quote in convincing you know the best quote in fact it's an epigram in my book uttered fact it's an epigram in my book uttered fact it's an epigram in my book uttered by my favorite fictitious character by my favorite fictitious character by my favorite fictitious character Travis McGee made famous by John D Travis McGee made famous by John D Travis McGee made famous by John D McDonald guy lived on a houseboat and McDonald guy lived on a houseboat and McDonald guy lived on a houseboat and solved crimes but he was also a solved crimes but he was also a solved crimes but he was also a modern-day Paladin you know so just so modern-day Paladin you know so just so modern-day Paladin you know so just so many great rants in that old Pulp many great rants in that old Pulp many great rants in that old Pulp Fiction but there's one paragraph in Fiction but there's one paragraph in Fiction but there's one paragraph in particular where he goes down the particular where he goes down the particular where he goes down the laundry list of all of the things that laundry list of all of the things that laundry list of all of the things that make him queasy uneasy and wary and he make him queasy uneasy and wary and he make him queasy uneasy and wary and he talks about Servo mechanisms right this talks about Servo mechanisms right this talks about Servo mechanisms right this is like 1969 and he's got such Servo is like 1969 and he's got such Servo is like 1969 and he's got such Servo Mech what does that mean well for about Mech what does that mean well for about Mech what does that mean well for about a year a Servo mechanism was just a year a Servo mechanism was just a year a Servo mechanism was just another word for a rudimentary computer another word for a rudimentary computer another word for a rudimentary computer or some kind of machine that would help or some kind of machine that would help or some kind of machine that would help process your social security number and process your social security number and process your social security number and your bank accounts Etc McGee always your bank accounts Etc McGee always your bank accounts Etc McGee always talked about this world of you know the talked about this world of you know the talked about this world of you know the encroaching intelligence and Robotics

encroaching intelligence and Robotics encroaching intelligence and Robotics and Servo mechanisms and all these and Servo mechanisms and all these and Servo mechanisms and all these things that made him things that made him things that made him uncomfortable um it's a really fun list uncomfortable um it's a really fun list uncomfortable um it's a really fun list but the but it concludes with but most but the but it concludes with but most but the but it concludes with but most of all I am wary of all of all I am wary of all of all I am wary of all [Laughter] [Laughter] [Laughter] earnestness something that appeals to me earnestness something that appeals to me earnestness something that appeals to me about that but I don't know what that about that but I don't know what that about that but I don't know what that says about me well I what I would say is says about me well I what I would say is says about me well I what I would say is that you and I are of a very similar age that you and I are of a very similar age that you and I are of a very similar age and we've come and we've come and we've come through a similar Crucible not the same through a similar Crucible not the same through a similar Crucible not the same thing but earnestness and sincerity have thing but earnestness and sincerity have thing but earnestness and sincerity have absolutely nothing to do with truth and absolutely nothing to do with truth and absolutely nothing to do with truth and accuracy zero and yet if you're in the accuracy zero and yet if you're in the accuracy zero and yet if you're in the truth and accuracy business either as a truth and accuracy business either as a truth and accuracy business either as a well-respected podcaster with a pendant well-respected podcaster with a pendant well-respected podcaster with a pendant for history who wants to get it right for history who wants to get it right for history who wants to get it right you still need to think about how to you still need to think about how to you still need to think about how to present what is persuasive present what is persuasive present what is persuasive what what what is convincing you know what what what is convincing you know what what what is convincing you know you can't ignore those things otherwise you can't ignore those things otherwise you can't ignore those things otherwise you'll be right and accurate with no you'll be right and accurate with no you'll be right and accurate with no audience but conversely you can also audience but conversely you can also audience but conversely you can also over focus on what is persuasive and if over focus on what is persuasive and if over focus on what is persuasive and if the answer is as it was for many decades the answer is as it was for many decades the answer is as it was for many decades earnestness then well it's no earnestness then well it's no earnestness then well it's no coincidence that Walter KRON kite and coincidence that Walter KRON kite and coincidence that Walter KRON kite and Eric seide employed the same kind of Eric seide employed the same kind of Eric seide employed the same kind of earnestness as the SP spokesman of the earnestness as the SP spokesman of the earnestness as the SP spokesman of the day who was Simply Hired to talk about day who was Simply Hired to talk about day who was Simply Hired to talk about timx in fact I think seide talked about

timx in fact I think seide talked about timx in fact I think seide talked about timx as well as gave the news but it was timx as well as gave the news but it was timx as well as gave the news but it was always the same way Dan right it was a a always the same way Dan right it was a a always the same way Dan right it was a a furrowed brow and a thoughtful look into furrowed brow and a thoughtful look into furrowed brow and a thoughtful look into the lens and then a careful explanation the lens and then a careful explanation the lens and then a careful explanation it's that's all just performance it has it's that's all just performance it has it's that's all just performance it has nothing to do with whether you're lying nothing to do with whether you're lying nothing to do with whether you're lying or whether you're misinformed or whether or whether you're misinformed or whether or whether you're misinformed or whether you're you're you're spoton so earnestness for its own sake spoton so earnestness for its own sake spoton so earnestness for its own sake is a thing to be wary of in McGee's View is a thing to be wary of in McGee's View is a thing to be wary of in McGee's View and in mind and I think look not not to and in mind and I think look not not to and in mind and I think look not not to drag you brutally into the present drag you brutally into the present drag you brutally into the present because I know you're bedeviled right because I know you're bedeviled right because I know you're bedeviled right now by I am I'm totally bedeviled right now by I am I'm totally bedeviled right now by I am I'm totally bedeviled right now yeah I know and we got to talk about now yeah I know and we got to talk about now yeah I know and we got to talk about that man because look you have to help that man because look you have to help that man because look you have to help me I I don't know that I can help you me I I don't know that I can help you me I I don't know that I can help you but I can sure as hell commiserate why I but I can sure as hell commiserate why I but I can sure as hell commiserate why I mean I I I don't know when this airs but mean I I I don't know when this airs but mean I I I don't know when this airs but I know I'm hoping it does air we should I know I'm hoping it does air we should I know I'm hoping it does air we should do it live can't you just flick a switch do it live can't you just flick a switch do it live can't you just flick a switch and do it live oh oh so you want your and do it live oh oh so you want your and do it live oh oh so you want your Michael Richard's Michael Richard's Michael Richard's moment I want your Michael Richard moment I want your Michael Richard moment I want your Michael Richard that's what I'm afraid of I've had mine that's what I'm afraid of I've had mine that's what I'm afraid of I've had mine I've had so many of those moments oh God I've had so many of those moments oh God I've had so many of those moments oh God man what was it about Trump and zalinski man what was it about Trump and zalinski man what was it about Trump and zalinski that ultimately never mind the that ultimately never mind the that ultimately never mind the geopolitical Fallout never mind all of geopolitical Fallout never mind all of geopolitical Fallout never mind all of the you know like the specifics that the you know like the specifics that the you know like the specifics that were said were said were said what is it about that moment that so what is it about that moment that so what is it about that moment that so completely transfixed the country I

completely transfixed the country I completely transfixed the country I would suggest in part a complete absence would suggest in part a complete absence would suggest in part a complete absence of prompters a complete absence of of prompters a complete absence of of prompters a complete absence of decorum and decorum and decorum and predictable interactions it all went out predictable interactions it all went out predictable interactions it all went out the window and so for a for a country the window and so for a for a country the window and so for a for a country who claims to be starved for who claims to be starved for who claims to be starved for transparency who values it who wants to transparency who values it who wants to transparency who values it who wants to see the sausage being made for a country see the sausage being made for a country see the sausage being made for a country who is desperate for the truth cam as I who is desperate for the truth cam as I who is desperate for the truth cam as I was in a sewer 20 years ago on Dirty was in a sewer 20 years ago on Dirty was in a sewer 20 years ago on Dirty Jobs well guess what man we just got it Jobs well guess what man we just got it Jobs well guess what man we just got it we just got the truth Cam and now a lot we just got the truth Cam and now a lot we just got the truth Cam and now a lot of people on both sides of the aisle are of people on both sides of the aisle are of people on both sides of the aisle are spending a lot of bandwidth trying to to spending a lot of bandwidth trying to to spending a lot of bandwidth trying to to separate the signal from the noise and separate the signal from the noise and separate the signal from the noise and what what really happened there what what what really happened there what what what really happened there what what was it about that what was it about that what was it about that moment that was moment that was moment that was so so so galvanizing and I and and i' I've still galvanizing and I and and i' I've still galvanizing and I and and i' I've still read accounts of people saying look look read accounts of people saying look look read accounts of people saying look look the the the whole thing was staged the the the the whole thing was staged the the the the whole thing was staged the whole thing was a ramp up everything was whole thing was a ramp up everything was whole thing was a ramp up everything was carefully orchestrated I don't know I carefully orchestrated I don't know I carefully orchestrated I don't know I watched all 50 minutes of that thing I watched all 50 minutes of that thing I watched all 50 minutes of that thing I don't think it was I think something don't think it was I think something don't think it was I think something something odd and and scary and human something odd and and scary and human something odd and and scary and human and and and common and and and common and and and common happened uh in an uncommon place and I

happened uh in an uncommon place and I happened uh in an uncommon place and I think we all got to see it and now we're think we all got to see it and now we're think we all got to see it and now we're all walking around trying to figure out all walking around trying to figure out all walking around trying to figure out what the rules are maybe ah I got a what the rules are maybe ah I got a what the rules are maybe ah I got a different take on that first of all did different take on that first of all did different take on that first of all did Trump really say this is going to be Trump really say this is going to be Trump really say this is going to be great television oh yeah okay so right great television oh yeah okay so right great television oh yeah okay so right there is part of the problem to me um there is part of the problem to me um there is part of the problem to me um because we talked about authenticity because we talked about authenticity because we talked about authenticity you're seeing the sausage made if you're you're seeing the sausage made if you're you're seeing the sausage made if you're in if you're able to be outside yourself in if you're able to be outside yourself in if you're able to be outside yourself enough at that moment right we talked enough at that moment right we talked enough at that moment right we talked about the live shot and how you don't about the live shot and how you don't about the live shot and how you don't even know what you're saying but you be even know what you're saying but you be even know what you're saying but you be but if you can be outside yourself to but if you can be outside yourself to but if you can be outside yourself to the degree where you're realizing holy the degree where you're realizing holy the degree where you're realizing holy hell this would be great television uh hell this would be great television uh hell this would be great television uh right there in my mind you're not right there in my mind you're not right there in my mind you're not thinking about this correctly we have to thinking about this correctly we have to thinking about this correctly we have to remember you're sitting across from a remember you're sitting across from a remember you're sitting across from a guy who's I mean you just have to think guy who's I mean you just have to think guy who's I mean you just have to think about the stakes from his point of view about the stakes from his point of view about the stakes from his point of view the the death destruction everything the the death destruction everything the the death destruction everything right survival the whole thing I don't right survival the whole thing I don't right survival the whole thing I don't even care about zilinsky as an even care about zilinsky as an even care about zilinsky as an individual I'm just look at what that individual I'm just look at what that individual I'm just look at what that country's been through right and to sit country's been through right and to sit country's been through right and to sit there and talk about it being great there and talk about it being great there and talk about it being great television you know you talked about television you know you talked about television you know you talked about being whipsawed earlier I mean that you being whipsawed earlier I mean that you being whipsawed earlier I mean that you know you're talking hundreds of I I just know you're talking hundreds of I I just know you're talking hundreds of I I just I can't get my mind around the I can't get my mind around the I can't get my mind around the seriousness of what zalinski is dealing seriousness of what zalinski is dealing seriousness of what zalinski is dealing with the unseriousness about what we are with the unseriousness about what we are with the unseriousness about what we are on our end it shows look I said years on our end it shows look I said years on our end it shows look I said years ago and I took a lot of flak for this uh ago and I took a lot of flak for this uh ago and I took a lot of flak for this uh 2014 I think it was where we were 2014 I think it was where we were 2014 I think it was where we were talking about the situation that was talking about the situation that was talking about the situation that was already going on in that area and I had already going on in that area and I had already going on in that area and I had said to people um that the US should not said to people um that the US should not said to people um that the US should not be the ones backing this situation and be the ones backing this situation and be the ones backing this situation and but it wasn't because it wasn't the but it wasn't because it wasn't the but it wasn't because it wasn't the right thing to do or anything else it right thing to do or anything else it right thing to do or anything else it was because we weren't going to be there was because we weren't going to be there was because we weren't going to be there down the road it is too far away it is

down the road it is too far away it is down the road it is too far away it is going to cost too much over the time and going to cost too much over the time and going to cost too much over the time and people we have a tendency in this people we have a tendency in this people we have a tendency in this country if you know the history right we country if you know the history right we country if you know the history right we are not in it for the long haul that's are not in it for the long haul that's are not in it for the long haul that's not that's not a slam Americans do not that's not a slam Americans do not that's not a slam Americans do things they want to I would say American things they want to I would say American things they want to I would say American Archaeology is what happens when they're Archaeology is what happens when they're Archaeology is what happens when they're going to they're going to flood a whole going to they're going to flood a whole going to they're going to flood a whole valley with a dam that they're building valley with a dam that they're building valley with a dam that they're building and you have six weeks to get everything and you have six weeks to get everything and you have six weeks to get everything out of there and instead of working with out of there and instead of working with out of there and instead of working with little teeny you know makeup dusters you little teeny you know makeup dusters you little teeny you know makeup dusters you go in with bulldozers and if you break go in with bulldozers and if you break go in with bulldozers and if you break crap it's okay because it's just going crap it's okay because it's just going crap it's okay because it's just going to get flooded anyway well American Aid to get flooded anyway well American Aid to get flooded anyway well American Aid on the foreign front is very similar on the foreign front is very similar on the foreign front is very similar right we get in there you know if it's right we get in there you know if it's right we get in there you know if it's three four years a World War we're going three four years a World War we're going three four years a World War we're going to take care of it but if it's a long to take care of it but if it's a long to take care of it but if it's a long commitment right that's got to go commitment right that's got to go commitment right that's got to go through multiple administrations from through multiple administrations from through multiple administrations from various points of view and it's it just various points of view and it's it just various points of view and it's it just we're not the people I told I I said in we're not the people I told I I said in we're not the people I told I I said in that show that the the the people that that show that the the the people that that show that the the the people that should form a regional Alliance which should form a regional Alliance which should form a regional Alliance which used to be big things before we got into used to be big things before we got into used to be big things before we got into these Global ones right with all the these Global ones right with all the these Global ones right with all the countries that feel threatened by Russia countries that feel threatened by Russia countries that feel threatened by Russia just put them all together you all have just put them all together you all have just put them all together you all have skin in the game The Last Thing Russia's skin in the game The Last Thing Russia's skin in the game The Last Thing Russia's going to want to do is be at war with going to want to do is be at war with going to want to do is be at war with Poland Romania Bulgaria you know Georgia Poland Romania Bulgaria you know Georgia Poland Romania Bulgaria you know Georgia all these places at once if they attack all these places at once if they attack all these places at once if they attack any of them and I got Savaged I even any of them and I got Savaged I even any of them and I got Savaged I even said maybe we should consider handing said maybe we should consider handing said maybe we should consider handing that new alliance of multiple countries that new alliance of multiple countries that new alliance of multiple countries a nuclear weapon or two I got a letter a nuclear weapon or two I got a letter a nuclear weapon or two I got a letter from a Romanian guy says we don't want from a Romanian guy says we don't want from a Romanian guy says we don't want your nuclear weapons we don't want you your nuclear weapons we don't want you your nuclear weapons we don't want you know this will be fine and now you want know this will be fine and now you want know this will be fine and now you want to turn around and go well I mean it is to turn around and go well I mean it is to turn around and go well I mean it is what it is it was never going to be what it is it was never going to be what it is it was never going to be forever but it's terrible that people forever but it's terrible that people forever but it's terrible that people make these life or death choices based make these life or death choices based make these life or death choices based on these ideas that nothing's going to on these ideas that nothing's going to on these ideas that nothing's going to change when everything changes all the change when everything changes all the change when everything changes all the time the problem that I have see as you

time the problem that I have see as you time the problem that I have see as you know my the reason I'm in trouble here know my the reason I'm in trouble here know my the reason I'm in trouble here in terms of I can't figure out how I in terms of I can't figure out how I in terms of I can't figure out how I even react to this is that my concerns even react to this is that my concerns even react to this is that my concerns are always constitutional executive are always constitutional executive are always constitutional executive power I mean these are the things we've power I mean these are the things we've power I mean these are the things we've we've rambled about forever after he's out of the barn you know I after he's out of the barn you know I mean I don't know I don't know how to mean I don't know I don't know how to mean I don't know I don't know how to talk about my concerns of things that talk about my concerns of things that talk about my concerns of things that are going to happen in the future when are going to happen in the future when are going to happen in the future when they've happened or are happening and they've happened or are happening and they've happened or are happening and and we can we and we simply to get to and we can we and we simply to get to and we can we and we simply to get to your point about authenticity we simply your point about authenticity we simply your point about authenticity we simply cannot As Americans look at this and see cannot As Americans look at this and see cannot As Americans look at this and see the same situation we are living in the same situation we are living in the same situation we are living in different realities and I don't know different realities and I don't know different realities and I don't know what we do about that how did you Forest what we do about that how did you Forest what we do about that how did you Forest Gump your way from blueprint for Gump your way from blueprint for Gump your way from blueprint for Armageddon into a commentator on the Armageddon into a commentator on the Armageddon into a commentator on the headlines of the day were like were you headlines of the day were like were you headlines of the day were like were you always there and and and this obligation always there and and and this obligation always there and and and this obligation that you feel I'm super interested in that you feel I'm super interested in that you feel I'm super interested in understanding this because I I can kind understanding this because I I can kind understanding this because I I can kind of relate some I think but the um the of relate some I think but the um the of relate some I think but the um the obligation to your audience which is obligation to your audience which is obligation to your audience which is where we started right um when did it where we started right um when did it where we started right um when did it start to bother you in terms start to bother you in terms start to bother you in terms of their expectations and and what of their expectations and and what of their expectations and and what what should we be talking about given what should we be talking about given what should we be talking about given the gravity of all of it given the the gravity of all of it given the the gravity of all of it given the absolute fire hose of information that absolute fire hose of information that absolute fire hose of information that the headlines have become and

the headlines have become and the headlines have become and given I think it was was it McMillan given I think it was was it McMillan given I think it was was it McMillan after Churchill Harold McMillan yeah after Churchill Harold McMillan yeah after Churchill Harold McMillan yeah yeah after Churchill yeah he had a great yeah after Churchill yeah he had a great yeah after Churchill yeah he had a great quote 1950s after Churchill yeah yeah a quote 1950s after Churchill yeah yeah a quote 1950s after Churchill yeah yeah a reporter asked him to I think reporter asked him to I think reporter asked him to I think describe uh his plan describe uh his plan describe uh his plan uh for the immediate future and his his uh for the immediate future and his his uh for the immediate future and his his answer was very dismissive and And the answer was very dismissive and And the answer was very dismissive and And the reporter pushed back he says why why reporter pushed back he says why why reporter pushed back he says why why can't you answer the the question and can't you answer the the question and can't you answer the the question and McMillan said uh events Dear Boy McMillan said uh events Dear Boy McMillan said uh events Dear Boy events well I've never lived through a events well I've never lived through a events well I've never lived through a time where the events come this this time where the events come this this time where the events come this this fast and I'm not saying anything new I'm fast and I'm not saying anything new I'm fast and I'm not saying anything new I'm sure everybody in your audience it's sure everybody in your audience it's sure everybody in your audience it's just like either like no kidding Mike or just like either like no kidding Mike or just like either like no kidding Mike or maybe they're just nodding in quiet maybe they're just nodding in quiet maybe they're just nodding in quiet agreement because they like me maybe I agreement because they like me maybe I agreement because they like me maybe I don't know it's so hard to know if don't know it's so hard to know if don't know it's so hard to know if anybody likes me anymore I know I feel anybody likes me anymore I know I feel anybody likes me anymore I know I feel the same way I feel the hate I don't the same way I feel the hate I don't the same way I feel the hate I don't feel the love I just feel the hate feel the love I just feel the hate feel the love I just feel the hate well the love rolls right off my well the love rolls right off my well the love rolls right off my back well then let's Circle back to your back well then let's Circle back to your back well then let's Circle back to your wife real quick and let me ask it this wife real quick and let me ask it this wife real quick and let me ask it this way you mentioned that she was covering way you mentioned that she was covering way you mentioned that she was covering a mass shooting yeah okay now a few a mass shooting yeah okay now a few a mass shooting yeah okay now a few years ago after after things went all to years ago after after things went all to years ago after after things went all to hell in Vegas after that shooting right hell in Vegas after that shooting right hell in Vegas after that shooting right awful so I had been working on um a awful so I had been working on um a awful so I had been working on um a project around my work ethic scholarship project around my work ethic scholarship project around my work ethic scholarship program and we were in the midst of it

program and we were in the midst of it program and we were in the midst of it and I was going to put a big piece up on and I was going to put a big piece up on and I was going to put a big piece up on Facebook and I and I had some videos Facebook and I and I had some videos Facebook and I and I had some videos that I was going to make you know this that I was going to make you know this that I was going to make you know this is a thing I've been working on and I I is a thing I've been working on and I I is a thing I've been working on and I I agonize over my post and I I try and get agonize over my post and I I try and get agonize over my post and I I try and get things just so and and then this happens things just so and and then this happens things just so and and then this happens right now I'm not a historian I don't right now I'm not a historian I don't right now I'm not a historian I don't have a show really about history I I have a show really about history I I have a show really about history I I dabble I don't feel any great obligation dabble I don't feel any great obligation dabble I don't feel any great obligation to respond to any particular headline to respond to any particular headline to respond to any particular headline unless it's firmly and squarely in my unless it's firmly and squarely in my unless it's firmly and squarely in my lane and yet and yet I lane and yet and yet I lane and yet and yet I realized um I realized um I realized um I can't I can't post what I want to post can't I can't post what I want to post can't I can't post what I want to post because it has nothing to do with the because it has nothing to do with the because it has nothing to do with the thing that everyone's talking about and thing that everyone's talking about and thing that everyone's talking about and therefore I will either appear therefore I will either appear therefore I will either appear insensitive to the horrible thing that's insensitive to the horrible thing that's insensitive to the horrible thing that's happened on the other hand I what am I happened on the other hand I what am I happened on the other hand I what am I supposed to say thoughts and prayers supposed to say thoughts and prayers supposed to say thoughts and prayers obviously but it's like am I supposed to obviously but it's like am I supposed to obviously but it's like am I supposed to write 2,000 words now on gun violence in write 2,000 words now on gun violence in write 2,000 words now on gun violence in America and the Second Amendment and all America and the Second Amendment and all America and the Second Amendment and all of the things that everybody was talking of the things that everybody was talking of the things that everybody was talking about on that particular morning simply about on that particular morning simply about on that particular morning simply because I have 9 million people who for because I have 9 million people who for because I have 9 million people who for whatever reason are interested in my whatever reason are interested in my whatever reason are interested in my take on this that or the other thing I take on this that or the other thing I take on this that or the other thing I didn't have an answer Dan I I still didn't have an answer Dan I I still didn't have an answer Dan I I still don't but but my question is are you don't but but my question is are you don't but but my question is are you experiencing that same curious paralysis experiencing that same curious paralysis experiencing that same curious paralysis that comes not that comes not that comes not from like you just haven't had time to

from like you just haven't had time to from like you just haven't had time to do the common sense that I bet you want do the common sense that I bet you want do the common sense that I bet you want to do so does that mean you should do to do so does that mean you should do to do so does that mean you should do nothing between now and such a time or nothing between now and such a time or nothing between now and such a time or are you allowed to have conversations are you allowed to have conversations are you allowed to have conversations like the ones we're having right now and like the ones we're having right now and like the ones we're having right now and for that matter are the rest of us for that matter are the rest of us for that matter are the rest of us allowed to get on with our lives without allowed to get on with our lives without allowed to get on with our lives without staring constantly into the next staring constantly into the next staring constantly into the next headline well to answer your question headline well to answer your question headline well to answer your question the the and I always say it's not wasn't the the and I always say it's not wasn't the the and I always say it's not wasn't a show about politics it was a show a show about politics it was a show a show about politics it was a show about current events and and so I was about current events and and so I was about current events and and so I was talking about current events from like ' talking about current events from like ' talking about current events from like ' 92 uh on the radio and then uh because 92 uh on the radio and then uh because 92 uh on the radio and then uh because that was so easy to morph that into a that was so easy to morph that into a that was so easy to morph that into a podcast in 2005 that's how that happened podcast in 2005 that's how that happened podcast in 2005 that's how that happened Hardcore History happened in 200 6 Hardcore History happened in 200 6 Hardcore History happened in 200 6 because we looked at the white space because we looked at the white space because we looked at the white space that was available uh in this medium and that was available uh in this medium and that was available uh in this medium and said well you know I mean the other show said well you know I mean the other show said well you know I mean the other show was was designed for radio and poured it was was designed for radio and poured it was was designed for radio and poured it over we could do this you know with with over we could do this you know with with over we could do this you know with with a full understanding of of the lack of a full understanding of of the lack of a full understanding of of the lack of limitations in this new medium so limitations in this new medium so limitations in this new medium so strategic of you D yes but I had a news strategic of you D yes but I had a news strategic of you D yes but I had a news director once uh who who back in the old director once uh who who back in the old director once uh who who back in the old radio days I could tell just hated my radio days I could tell just hated my radio days I could tell just hated my radio show but he had a nice way of of radio show but he had a nice way of of radio show but he had a nice way of of like def it was like a backhanded like def it was like a backhanded like def it was like a backhanded compliment he says you know uh the best compliment he says you know uh the best compliment he says you know uh the best part about your show is the connections part about your show is the connections part about your show is the connections that you draw to history he goes you that you draw to history he goes you that you draw to history he goes you should be talking more about history should be talking more about history should be talking more about history that was his way of you should be that was his way of you should be that was his way of you should be talking less about politics it came talking less about politics it came talking less about politics it came through loud and clear but um but to me through loud and clear but um but to me through loud and clear but um but to me the history thing is an easy way to sort the history thing is an easy way to sort the history thing is an easy way to sort of set up context and I feel like you

of set up context and I feel like you of set up context and I feel like you know to get back to your point about know to get back to your point about know to get back to your point about sort of what's missing in in the way we sort of what's missing in in the way we sort of what's missing in in the way we do news and current events is context do news and current events is context do news and current events is context because context helps so much it's the because context helps so much it's the because context helps so much it's the difference between like you said seeing difference between like you said seeing difference between like you said seeing that whole Trump zalinsky thing from that whole Trump zalinsky thing from that whole Trump zalinsky thing from start to finish or or seeing the curated start to finish or or seeing the curated start to finish or or seeing the curated you know uh Tik Tock version of you know you know uh Tik Tock version of you know you know uh Tik Tock version of you know 15 seconds or 20 seconds context really 15 seconds or 20 seconds context really 15 seconds or 20 seconds context really matters and and and that's what was matters and and and that's what was matters and and and that's what was starved for um with our lack of depth in starved for um with our lack of depth in starved for um with our lack of depth in the society now and and the quickness the society now and and the quickness the society now and and the quickness that we need everything um and you're that we need everything um and you're that we need everything um and you're listening to me at two times the speed listening to me at two times the speed listening to me at two times the speed Mike that that completely screws up the Mike that that completely screws up the Mike that that completely screws up the baritone that I don't have in my voice baritone that I don't have in my voice baritone that I don't have in my voice um but but I understand that so so so um but but I understand that so so so um but but I understand that so so so the the the politics thing I started off the the the politics thing I started off the the the politics thing I started off with a with a radio I don't know how we with a with a radio I don't know how we with a with a radio I don't know how we got to me on this subject but but I got to me on this subject but but I got to me on this subject but but I started off with a radio show where started off with a radio show where started off with a radio show where basically everybody was my enemy and basically everybody was my enemy and basically everybody was my enemy and everybody hated me uh I was the Martian everybody hated me uh I was the Martian everybody hated me uh I was the Martian in the day part was what we used to call in the day part was what we used to call in the day part was what we used to call it because you know on talk radio you're it because you know on talk radio you're it because you know on talk radio you're on I was on a station with a bunch of on I was on a station with a bunch of on I was on a station with a bunch of other shows that were nothing like mine other shows that were nothing like mine other shows that were nothing like mine but that were all very like each other but that were all very like each other but that were all very like each other but I inherit that audience right but I inherit that audience right but I inherit that audience right because I come after this guy and then I because I come after this guy and then I because I come after this guy and then I lead into that guy and so I get those lead into that guy and so I get those lead into that guy and so I get those audience and I was nothing like those audience and I was nothing like those audience and I was nothing like those people and so all I did all day long people and so all I did all day long people and so all I did all day long there was no preaching to the choir I there was no preaching to the choir I there was no preaching to the choir I was fighting with them all day long uh was fighting with them all day long uh was fighting with them all day long uh it was angry was you I used to my wife it was angry was you I used to my wife it was angry was you I used to my wife says cuz she worked with me she said you says cuz she worked with me she said you says cuz she worked with me she said you get out of you'd have you know 20 cups get out of you'd have you know 20 cups get out of you'd have you know 20 cups of coffee you'd be pounding the walls of coffee you'd be pounding the walls of coffee you'd be pounding the walls with your fist during the commercial with your fist during the commercial with your fist during the commercial breaks and you go back in for the fight breaks and you go back in for the fight breaks and you go back in for the fight and then somewhere along the and then somewhere along the and then somewhere along the way things turned my way for five way things turned my way for five way things turned my way for five minutes um and I don't know why that

minutes um and I don't know why that minutes um and I don't know why that happened it was the change in the happened it was the change in the happened it was the change in the Zeitgeist right but I didn't realize I Zeitgeist right but I didn't realize I Zeitgeist right but I didn't realize I thought oh things are turning my way I thought oh things are turning my way I thought oh things are turning my way I didn't realize that it was just my way didn't realize that it was just my way didn't realize that it was just my way was the transition period so I went from was the transition period so I went from was the transition period so I went from being the Martian in the day part to all being the Martian in the day part to all being the Martian in the day part to all of a sudden I'm on the Cutting Edge and of a sudden I'm on the Cutting Edge and of a sudden I'm on the Cutting Edge and the cusp and things are and then boom the cusp and things are and then boom the cusp and things are and then boom the wave just crashed and now I'm more the wave just crashed and now I'm more the wave just crashed and now I'm more the Martian in the day part than ever um the Martian in the day part than ever um the Martian in the day part than ever um but in answer to your question so so I but in answer to your question so so I but in answer to your question so so I thought we would step away from the thought we would step away from the thought we would step away from the common sense thing for a while because I common sense thing for a while because I common sense thing for a while because I didn't feel like we were doing any good didn't feel like we were doing any good didn't feel like we were doing any good the shows were getting really hard to do the shows were getting really hard to do the shows were getting really hard to do they started sounding the same the they started sounding the same the they started sounding the same the archives were up there so it's not like archives were up there so it's not like archives were up there so it's not like radio where it goes into The Ether like radio where it goes into The Ether like radio where it goes into The Ether like we said you can just go listen to the we said you can just go listen to the we said you can just go listen to the show so I started thinking you know show so I started thinking you know show so I started thinking you know there's an opportunity cost to this I there's an opportunity cost to this I there's an opportunity cost to this I can use this time for other things and I can use this time for other things and I can use this time for other things and I can have it maybe more of an impact cuz can have it maybe more of an impact cuz can have it maybe more of an impact cuz I felt like people were shutting down if I felt like people were shutting down if I felt like people were shutting down if you didn't agree with the message there you didn't agree with the message there you didn't agree with the message there was no open-mindedness so I thought well was no open-mindedness so I thought well was no open-mindedness so I thought well maybe there's another way to do this but maybe there's another way to do this but maybe there's another way to do this but then times heat up again and I start then times heat up again and I start then times heat up again and I start getting feedback from listeners that I'm getting feedback from listeners that I'm getting feedback from listeners that I'm somehow shirking my responsibilities in somehow shirking my responsibilities in somehow shirking my responsibilities in this Society right how can you not be this Society right how can you not be this Society right how can you not be talking about politics I said I'm not talking about politics I said I'm not talking about politics I said I'm not talking about politics because I'm not talking about politics because I'm not talking about politics because I'm not talking about politics no you have to talking about politics no you have to talking about politics no you have to but then if you come forward because we but then if you come forward because we but then if you come forward because we live in extraordinary times which I live in extraordinary times which I live in extraordinary times which I believe uh and and you say your peace believe uh and and you say your peace believe uh and and you say your peace because people are demanding it well because people are demanding it well because people are demanding it well then the other side's M ah I've been then the other side's M ah I've been then the other side's M ah I've been waiting for a show for years where you waiting for a show for years where you waiting for a show for years where you talk about Biden Goose stepping on the talk about Biden Goose stepping on the talk about Biden Goose stepping on the White House lawn but where were you Dan White House lawn but where were you Dan White House lawn but where were you Dan so in other words you are forced to so in other words you are forced to so in other words you are forced to comment because we live in extraordinary comment because we live in extraordinary comment because we live in extraordinary times but when you do everybody hates times but when you do everybody hates times but when you do everybody hates you even more and I've lost those you even more and I've lost those you even more and I've lost those calluses that I used to have back in the calluses that I used to have back in the calluses that I used to have back in the day where I was basically everybody's

day where I was basically everybody's day where I was basically everybody's enemy I was the Martian in the day part enemy I was the Martian in the day part enemy I was the Martian in the day part everyone you know you were ready to everyone you know you were ready to everyone you know you were ready to fight and then I lost those calluses fight and then I lost those calluses fight and then I lost those calluses during the five minutes where I was on during the five minutes where I was on during the five minutes where I was on The Cutting Edge of public opinion and The Cutting Edge of public opinion and The Cutting Edge of public opinion and now I'm just sitting here going how can now I'm just sitting here going how can now I'm just sitting here going how can I help and I don't know how I can help I help and I don't know how I can help I help and I don't know how I can help anymore well look if you're damned if anymore well look if you're damned if anymore well look if you're damned if you do and damned if you don't then the you do and damned if you don't then the you do and damned if you don't then the only sensible way to quote Travis me gee only sensible way to quote Travis me gee only sensible way to quote Travis me gee again the only sensible way to go again the only sensible way to go again the only sensible way to go through life is with the attitude of the through life is with the attitude of the through life is with the attitude of the vaudvillian clown who knows with vaudvillian clown who knows with vaudvillian clown who knows with certainty he's going to be chased around certainty he's going to be chased around certainty he's going to be chased around the arena with a bladder and hit in the the arena with a bladder and hit in the the arena with a bladder and hit in the face with a pie but nevertheless shows face with a pie but nevertheless shows face with a pie but nevertheless shows up for work every day that's up for work every day that's up for work every day that's in this environment I don't know how in this environment I don't know how in this environment I don't know how else to remain sane because to your else to remain sane because to your else to remain sane because to your point those metaphorical calluses built point those metaphorical calluses built point those metaphorical calluses built up because you got used to paying a up because you got used to paying a up because you got used to paying a price for saying the wrong thing that's price for saying the wrong thing that's price for saying the wrong thing that's different than paying a price for not different than paying a price for not different than paying a price for not saying saying saying anything and when you really think about anything and when you really think about anything and when you really think about the pressure that you have the pressure that you have the pressure that you have assumed right it careful you're going to assumed right it careful you're going to assumed right it careful you're going to put yourself into into some kind of a put yourself into into some kind of a put yourself into into some kind of a box or into some kind of a corner I know box or into some kind of a corner I know box or into some kind of a corner I know that I did you know I for me 20 2016 that I did you know I for me 20 2016 that I did you know I for me 20 2016 maybe it was 2015 there was one maybe it was 2015 there was one maybe it was 2015 there was one remarkable week where I was out once remarkable week where I was out once remarkable week where I was out once again Hawking my uh work ethic again Hawking my uh work ethic again Hawking my uh work ethic scholarship program which we should

scholarship program which we should scholarship program which we should mention before we get out of here I mention before we get out of here I mention before we get out of here I didn't even ask you how long you had I didn't even ask you how long you had I didn't even ask you how long you had I just assumed I just keep you till 7 just assumed I just keep you till 7 just assumed I just keep you till 7 tonight or something it's Stan Carlin I tonight or something it's Stan Carlin I tonight or something it's Stan Carlin I cleared the day I'm sitting here I'm cleared the day I'm sitting here I'm cleared the day I'm sitting here I'm cating you I'm going to listen to this cating you I'm going to listen to this cating you I'm going to listen to this at two times speed just so you know I I at two times speed just so you know I I at two times speed just so you know I I I challenge you to go two and a half I I challenge you to go two and a half I I challenge you to go two and a half I I'm wearing a stadium pal right now I I'm wearing a stadium pal right now I I'm wearing a stadium pal right now I have a bladder tucked into my sock I can have a bladder tucked into my sock I can have a bladder tucked into my sock I can sit here all day that's the Joe Rogan sit here all day that's the Joe Rogan sit here all day that's the Joe Rogan endurance experience he feeds you endurance experience he feeds you endurance experience he feeds you Bulletproof Coffee for three hours and Bulletproof Coffee for three hours and Bulletproof Coffee for three hours and there's no bathroom breaks and you there's no bathroom breaks and you there's no bathroom breaks and you either man up or you don't I did 3 hours either man up or you don't I did 3 hours either man up or you don't I did 3 hours and 15 minutes and the only reason we and 15 minutes and the only reason we and 15 minutes and the only reason we stopped is he I thought he was going to stopped is he I thought he was going to stopped is he I thought he was going to piss himself he literally got up and ran piss himself he literally got up and ran piss himself he literally got up and ran out when we were finished that's out when we were finished that's out when we were finished that's hilarious we we we cut it that close hilarious we we we cut it that close hilarious we we we cut it that close crap where was I what what were we crap where was I what what were we crap where was I what what were we saying just a second oh well we were saying just a second oh well we were saying just a second oh well we were talk you were talking about basically talk you were talking about basically talk you were talking about basically how uh how how uh you were talking about how uh how how uh you were talking about how uh how how uh you were talking about your work program and then we were going your work program and then we were going your work program and then we were going I said we have to bring that up before I said we have to bring that up before I said we have to bring that up before the end of this the most incredible week the end of this the most incredible week the end of this the most incredible week where I where I where I knew that that Atlas had Shrugged in knew that that Atlas had Shrugged in knew that that Atlas had Shrugged in some way in this in the context of this some way in this in the context of this some way in this in the context of this conversation I was out Hawking ran I ran conversation I was out Hawking ran I ran conversation I was out Hawking ran I ran things thrown out there just dangling it things thrown out there just dangling it things thrown out there just dangling it I don't know dangling out there for I don't know dangling out there for I don't know dangling out there for someone to pick up if they can someone to pick up if they can someone to pick up if they can so so I go on Real Time with Bill Maher so so I go on Real Time with Bill Maher so so I go on Real Time with Bill Maher right and we have a 20-minute right and we have a 20-minute right and we have a 20-minute conversation and it's terrific he's got conversation and it's terrific he's got conversation and it's terrific he's got a big audience and a lot of people wound a big audience and a lot of people wound a big audience and a lot of people wound up applying as the result of our back up applying as the result of our back up applying as the result of our back and forth I also heard from oh I don't and forth I also heard from oh I don't and forth I also heard from oh I don't know maybe a 100,000 friends of mine who

know maybe a 100,000 friends of mine who know maybe a 100,000 friends of mine who are right of Center on the interwebs who are right of Center on the interwebs who are right of Center on the interwebs who expressed not just their disappointment expressed not just their disappointment expressed not just their disappointment but they were shocked Dan shocked i' but they were shocked Dan shocked i' but they were shocked Dan shocked i' tell you and appalled how could you sit tell you and appalled how could you sit tell you and appalled how could you sit next to that communist how could you go next to that communist how could you go next to that communist how could you go there and talk to Bill Mar for it's Bill there and talk to Bill Mar for it's Bill there and talk to Bill Mar for it's Bill Mah Mike what were you thinking well two Mah Mike what were you thinking well two Mah Mike what were you thinking well two days days days later I had the exact same conversation later I had the exact same conversation later I had the exact same conversation with Glenn Beck exact same back and with Glenn Beck exact same back and with Glenn Beck exact same back and forth and at you know I'm I'm still forth and at you know I'm I'm still forth and at you know I'm I'm still committed to staying in my Lane I I committed to staying in my Lane I I committed to staying in my Lane I I don't show my slip much really you know don't show my slip much really you know don't show my slip much really you know but same conversation Glenn Beck same but same conversation Glenn Beck same but same conversation Glenn Beck same exact response from my buddies on the exact response from my buddies on the exact response from my buddies on the left who are more numerous uh if I'm left who are more numerous uh if I'm left who are more numerous uh if I'm being honest and they they left me in being honest and they they left me in being honest and they they left me in droves I lost I don't know half a droves I lost I don't know half a droves I lost I don't know half a million people wow on Facebook because million people wow on Facebook because million people wow on Facebook because not because of anything I said and in not because of anything I said and in not because of anything I said and in this case actually not because of this case actually not because of this case actually not because of anything I didn't say but simply because anything I didn't say but simply because anything I didn't say but simply because I sat next to the wrong I sat next to the wrong I sat next to the wrong guy and when I realized what the guy and when I realized what the guy and when I realized what the consequences of proximity were in consequences of proximity were in consequences of proximity were in 2016 I I'm I'm trying to give away a 2016 I I'm I'm trying to give away a 2016 I I'm I'm trying to give away a couple million dollars in couple million dollars in couple million dollars in scholarships and I got crushed for scholarships and I got crushed for scholarships and I got crushed for having a conversation that I know my having a conversation that I know my having a conversation that I know my detractors uh like I I just got crushed detractors uh like I I just got crushed detractors uh like I I just got crushed because I had it with the wrong guy and

because I had it with the wrong guy and because I had it with the wrong guy and now this is common I'm not saying now this is common I'm not saying now this is common I'm not saying anything new now but but nine years ago anything new now but but nine years ago anything new now but but nine years ago that was an eyeopener for me that's when that was an eyeopener for me that's when that was an eyeopener for me that's when I thought oh we are entering a a new new I thought oh we are entering a a new new I thought oh we are entering a a new new rule you know new rule uh wasn't quite rule you know new rule uh wasn't quite rule you know new rule uh wasn't quite sure what the rule was but I knew it had sure what the rule was but I knew it had sure what the rule was but I knew it had real consequences and it had nothing to real consequences and it had nothing to real consequences and it had nothing to do with anything I said or anything I do with anything I said or anything I do with anything I said or anything I didn't okay uh I'm going to ask didn't okay uh I'm going to ask didn't okay uh I'm going to ask permission to Ambush you here you can't permission to Ambush you here you can't permission to Ambush you here you can't Ambush me I've lived my entire life in a Ambush me I've lived my entire life in a Ambush me I've lived my entire life in a state of perpet I am waiting I'm state of perpet I am waiting I'm state of perpet I am waiting I'm constantly waiting for death from above constantly waiting for death from above constantly waiting for death from above or you know a rustling sound and the or you know a rustling sound and the or you know a rustling sound and the brush to reveal its venom so whatever brush to reveal its venom so whatever brush to reveal its venom so whatever you got okay CPAC let's talk about that you got okay CPAC let's talk about that you got okay CPAC let's talk about that so you speak there isn't that the same so you speak there isn't that the same so you speak there isn't that the same event where um where Bannon did his uh I event where um where Bannon did his uh I event where um where Bannon did his uh I call it the Romulan salute because I call it the Romulan salute because I call it the Romulan salute because I don't know what it is so I just figure I don't know what it is so I just figure I don't know what it is so I just figure I give them all the benefit of the doubt give them all the benefit of the doubt give them all the benefit of the doubt space force salute I thought said CPAP space force salute I thought said CPAP space force salute I thought said CPAP and I'm like oh yeah well I don't use and I'm like oh yeah well I don't use and I'm like oh yeah well I don't use that you know I not yet anyway I'm still that you know I not yet anyway I'm still that you know I not yet anyway I'm still sleeping through the night but so so sleeping through the night but so so sleeping through the night but so so help me so so what I want to do here is help me so so what I want to do here is help me so so what I want to do here is look you and I are not close close look you and I are not close close look you and I are not close close friends but we're friends and the guy I friends but we're friends and the guy I friends but we're friends and the guy I know is a really decent guy so sometimes know is a really decent guy so sometimes know is a really decent guy so sometimes I'll read these things that you're I'll read these things that you're I'll read these things that you're criticized for and I'll go I'm not so criticized for and I'll go I'm not so criticized for and I'll go I'm not so sure there's much context in this

sure there's much context in this sure there's much context in this compared to what I'm seeing live but compared to what I'm seeing live but compared to what I'm seeing live but let's ask this so so but no but it's let's ask this so so but no but it's let's ask this so so but no but it's it's like like he would say so if if it's like like he would say so if if it's like like he would say so if if you're talking to your left of center you're talking to your left of center you're talking to your left of center friends and they're angry you're talking friends and they're angry you're talking friends and they're angry you're talking to Glenn Beck then what do what do you to Glenn Beck then what do what do you to Glenn Beck then what do what do you what do they say when you go to the and what do they say when you go to the and what do they say when you go to the and I realize you were talking about shovels I realize you were talking about shovels I realize you were talking about shovels and jobs and blue collar and all that and jobs and blue collar and all that and jobs and blue collar and all that stuff um but you know they'll say you're stuff um but you know they'll say you're stuff um but you know they'll say you're taking funding from you know these taking funding from you know these taking funding from you know these people you're speaking to these people people you're speaking to these people people you're speaking to these people so what do we say how do we how do we so what do we say how do we how do we so what do we say how do we how do we how do we address this when you're how do we address this when you're how do we address this when you're ambushed by Dan on this subject what's ambushed by Dan on this subject what's ambushed by Dan on this subject what's the right answer well roasten did it pretty well answer well roasten did it pretty well with s know right what would you have me with s know right what would you have me with s know right what would you have me do seek out some wealthy Patron and do seek out some wealthy Patron and do seek out some wealthy Patron and crawl like a clinging Vine up the lordly crawl like a clinging Vine up the lordly crawl like a clinging Vine up the lordly tree Rising by deceit and trickery tree Rising by deceit and trickery tree Rising by deceit and trickery instead of My Own Strength no thank you instead of My Own Strength no thank you instead of My Own Strength no thank you right I run a foundation I have appeared right I run a foundation I have appeared right I run a foundation I have appeared probably in the aggregate more often on probably in the aggregate more often on probably in the aggregate more often on CNN MSNBC PBS and NPR than I have on Fox CNN MSNBC PBS and NPR than I have on Fox CNN MSNBC PBS and NPR than I have on Fox I I had a show on CNN in prime time I I I had a show on CNN in prime time I I I had a show on CNN in prime time I had a show on Fox Business had a show on Fox Business had a show on Fox Business in prime time uh I my Foundation is in prime time uh I my Foundation is in prime time uh I my Foundation is supported by some some liberal entities supported by some some liberal entities supported by some some liberal entities but the bulk of it comes from people but the bulk of it comes from people but the bulk of it comes from people like Charles like Charles like Charles KO um I make absolutely no apology for KO um I make absolutely no apology for KO um I make absolutely no apology for any of that I don't I don't feel like any of that I don't I don't feel like any of that I don't I don't feel like I've ever deliberately done anything to I've ever deliberately done anything to I've ever deliberately done anything to antagonize either side but I do antagonize either side but I do antagonize either side but I do understand that the rules have changed understand that the rules have changed understand that the rules have changed and I do understand that I'm going to

and I do understand that I'm going to and I do understand that I'm going to break a few eggs in the course of break a few eggs in the course of break a few eggs in the course of whipping up my particular omelet what I whipping up my particular omelet what I whipping up my particular omelet what I say to my friends on the left when they say to my friends on the left when they say to my friends on the left when they learn that I gave a keynote at CPAC at learn that I gave a keynote at CPAC at learn that I gave a keynote at CPAC at the Ronald Reagan dinner is invite me to the Ronald Reagan dinner is invite me to the Ronald Reagan dinner is invite me to your party and I'll be there what I say your party and I'll be there what I say your party and I'll be there what I say to them in fact I I shared this last to them in fact I I shared this last to them in fact I I shared this last week because I did get some blowback for week because I did get some blowback for week because I did get some blowback for being there um I I posted an open letter being there um I I posted an open letter being there um I I posted an open letter that I wrote to Barack Obama in that I wrote to Barack Obama in that I wrote to Barack Obama in 2009 and it was a congratulatory letter 2009 and it was a congratulatory letter 2009 and it was a congratulatory letter shortly after he won um and I said look shortly after he won um and I said look shortly after he won um and I said look I've I've read your Highway I've I've read your Highway I've I've read your Highway infrastructure act and I see that you're infrastructure act and I see that you're infrastructure act and I see that you're pledging to create 3 million shovel pledging to create 3 million shovel pledging to create 3 million shovel ready jobs and I'm rooting for you but ready jobs and I'm rooting for you but ready jobs and I'm rooting for you but take this for what it's worth I I've take this for what it's worth I I've take this for what it's worth I I've started a modest PR campaign to try and started a modest PR campaign to try and started a modest PR campaign to try and make a more persuasive case for the 2.3 make a more persuasive case for the 2.3 make a more persuasive case for the 2.3 million open positions that actually million open positions that actually million open positions that actually existed in 2009 even with 11 million existed in 2009 even with 11 million existed in 2009 even with 11 million unemployed and I said you know a lot of unemployed and I said you know a lot of unemployed and I said you know a lot of those jobs that are open right now uh those jobs that are open right now uh those jobs that are open right now uh require the willingness to pick up a require the willingness to pick up a require the willingness to pick up a shovel and employers are having a shovel and employers are having a shovel and employers are having a terrible time recruiting for all sorts terrible time recruiting for all sorts terrible time recruiting for all sorts of reasons but many of those reasons are of reasons but many of those reasons are of reasons but many of those reasons are not the ones you think the trades have not the ones you think the trades have not the ones you think the trades have been beveled for years by stigmas and been beveled for years by stigmas and been beveled for years by stigmas and stereotypes and myths and misperceptions stereotypes and myths and misperceptions stereotypes and myths and misperceptions that have dissuaded a whole generation that have dissuaded a whole generation that have dissuaded a whole generation from giving them an honest look I

from giving them an honest look I from giving them an honest look I believe that happened in the 80s and 90s believe that happened in the 80s and 90s believe that happened in the 80s and 90s when we pulled chop class out of high when we pulled chop class out of high when we pulled chop class out of high school and I think the chickens really school and I think the chickens really school and I think the chickens really came home to roost back in ' 09 so my came home to roost back in ' 09 so my came home to roost back in ' 09 so my letter to Obama simply said look I'm at letter to Obama simply said look I'm at letter to Obama simply said look I'm at your disposal Dirty Jobs is a big show your disposal Dirty Jobs is a big show your disposal Dirty Jobs is a big show we're on in 140 countries I'm invited we're on in 140 countries I'm invited we're on in 140 countries I'm invited constantly to go out into the world to constantly to go out into the world to constantly to go out into the world to speak about this and my Foundation is speak about this and my Foundation is speak about this and my Foundation is legitimate and bottom line I think legitimate and bottom line I think legitimate and bottom line I think you're going to have an easier job you're going to have an easier job you're going to have an easier job filling these three million shovel ready filling these three million shovel ready filling these three million shovel ready jobs if we can somehow make a more jobs if we can somehow make a more jobs if we can somehow make a more persuasive case for the shovel ready persuasive case for the shovel ready persuasive case for the shovel ready jobs that already exist and perhaps jobs that already exist and perhaps jobs that already exist and perhaps acknowledge that our country has a acknowledge that our country has a acknowledge that our country has a dysfunctional relationship with shovels dysfunctional relationship with shovels dysfunctional relationship with shovels to begin with anyway no wrong answer but to begin with anyway no wrong answer but to begin with anyway no wrong answer but I put it out there in a big way and I I put it out there in a big way and I I put it out there in a big way and I kind of leaned into it um and I didn't I kind of leaned into it um and I didn't I kind of leaned into it um and I didn't I I didn't really expect him to call me I didn't really expect him to call me I didn't really expect him to call me back you know I'm I'm I'm famous at that back you know I'm I'm I'm famous at that back you know I'm I'm I'm famous at that point for crawling through sewers and I point for crawling through sewers and I point for crawling through sewers and I and I and I guess maybe it was a little and I and I guess maybe it was a little and I and I guess maybe it was a little douchy to make that public but I wanted douchy to make that public but I wanted douchy to make that public but I wanted to call some attention to my foundation to call some attention to my foundation to call some attention to my foundation and I and I truly did and do believe and I and I truly did and do believe and I and I truly did and do believe that this was a fundamental oversight that this was a fundamental oversight that this was a fundamental oversight creating jobs is different than creating creating jobs is different than creating creating jobs is different than creating enthusiasm the skill Gap is different enthusiasm the skill Gap is different enthusiasm the skill Gap is different than the will Gap and I made all of than the will Gap and I made all of than the will Gap and I made all of these points um in my letter and the these points um in my letter and the these points um in my letter and the reason I went to CPAC to answer your reason I went to CPAC to answer your reason I went to CPAC to answer your question is that here here we are 16 question is that here here we are 16 question is that here here we are 16 years years years later and we have a president who is

later and we have a president who is later and we have a president who is promising to reinvigorate American promising to reinvigorate American promising to reinvigorate American manufacturing and you know something I'm manufacturing and you know something I'm manufacturing and you know something I'm pulling for him I I want to see more pulling for him I I want to see more pulling for him I I want to see more reshoring I want to see more factories reshoring I want to see more factories reshoring I want to see more factories come back to this country I would like come back to this country I would like come back to this country I would like to see all of that happen but I'm I'm to see all of that happen but I'm I'm to see all of that happen but I'm I'm going to the BLS website and looking at going to the BLS website and looking at going to the BLS website and looking at the same numbers that that your the same numbers that that your the same numbers that that your listeners can see right now they're listeners can see right now they're listeners can see right now they're 563,000 open positions in manufacturing 563,000 open positions in manufacturing 563,000 open positions in manufacturing alone there's 7.6 million open open jobs alone there's 7.6 million open open jobs alone there's 7.6 million open open jobs most of which don't require 4-year most of which don't require 4-year most of which don't require 4-year degree there's 7.2 million able-bodied degree there's 7.2 million able-bodied degree there's 7.2 million able-bodied men who are not only not in the men who are not only not in the men who are not only not in the workforce they've affirmatively punched workforce they've affirmatively punched workforce they've affirmatively punched out they're not they're not looking for out they're not they're not looking for out they're not they're not looking for work the will Gap is real it doesn't work the will Gap is real it doesn't work the will Gap is real it doesn't need to be a big political retrospective need to be a big political retrospective need to be a big political retrospective on greedy rapacious capitalists versus on greedy rapacious capitalists versus on greedy rapacious capitalists versus The Lazy Fault in Our Stars it doesn't The Lazy Fault in Our Stars it doesn't The Lazy Fault in Our Stars it doesn't have to be that but we can't ignore the have to be that but we can't ignore the have to be that but we can't ignore the fact that over half a million jobs are fact that over half a million jobs are fact that over half a million jobs are currently open in the very sector that currently open in the very sector that currently open in the very sector that he wants to reinvigorate by creating a he wants to reinvigorate by creating a he wants to reinvigorate by creating a couple million new jobs if we don't have couple million new jobs if we don't have couple million new jobs if we don't have an honest conversation about the an honest conversation about the an honest conversation about the workforce and the workforce and the workforce and the incredible uh outof balanced nature uh incredible uh outof balanced nature uh incredible uh outof balanced nature uh in between these I mean it's I I don't in between these I mean it's I I don't in between these I mean it's I I don't think it's accurate to to describe blue think it's accurate to to describe blue think it's accurate to to describe blue versus white collar anymore I I think versus white collar anymore I I think versus white collar anymore I I think we're past the color of collars frankly

we're past the color of collars frankly we're past the color of collars frankly yeah but the the evidence does demand a yeah but the the evidence does demand a yeah but the the evidence does demand a verdict steam Fitters Pipe Fitters verdict steam Fitters Pipe Fitters verdict steam Fitters Pipe Fitters mechanics welders my God electricians mechanics welders my God electricians mechanics welders my God electricians HVAC those are the jobs that I'm trying HVAC those are the jobs that I'm trying HVAC those are the jobs that I'm trying that I'm focused on right jobs that that I'm focused on right jobs that that I'm focused on right jobs that require a you know training not require a you know training not require a you know training not necessarily a four-year degree and Dan necessarily a four-year degree and Dan necessarily a four-year degree and Dan they are in short they are in short they are in short supply um the the best example I'll give supply um the the best example I'll give supply um the the best example I'll give you and I I promise end of filibuster you and I I promise end of filibuster you and I I promise end of filibuster after this but I think I mentioned to after this but I think I mentioned to after this but I think I mentioned to you offline uh blue Forge Alliance the you offline uh blue Forge Alliance the you offline uh blue Forge Alliance the company that oversees the maritime company that oversees the maritime company that oversees the maritime industrial base yeah we talked about industrial base yeah we talked about industrial base yeah we talked about that these guys this is 15,000 that these guys this is 15,000 that these guys this is 15,000 independent companies who are independent companies who are independent companies who are collectively tasked with building our collectively tasked with building our collectively tasked with building our submarines they've got to deliver a submarines they've got to deliver a submarines they've got to deliver a couple Virginia and a Columbia class sub couple Virginia and a Columbia class sub couple Virginia and a Columbia class sub every year three nuclear powerered subs every year three nuclear powerered subs every year three nuclear powerered subs for the next 10 years the Cadence is not for the next 10 years the Cadence is not for the next 10 years the Cadence is not negotiable we have to have them things negotiable we have to have them things negotiable we have to have them things go Hypersonic with Taiwan and China our go Hypersonic with Taiwan and China our go Hypersonic with Taiwan and China our aircraft carriers are not in great shape aircraft carriers are not in great shape aircraft carriers are not in great shape these submarines matter these guys call these submarines matter these guys call these submarines matter these guys call me to say Mike we love the work with me to say Mike we love the work with me to say Mike we love the work with your foundation and we would like to your foundation and we would like to your foundation and we would like to know if you can help us find some trades know if you can help us find some trades know if you can help us find some trades people I say how many do you need they people I say how many do you need they people I say how many do you need they say say say 100,000 100,000 100,000 100,000 for one entity that most of your 100,000 for one entity that most of your 100,000 for one entity that most of your listeners have never heard of that listeners have never heard of that listeners have never heard of that oversees 15,000 companies that are only oversees 15,000 companies that are only oversees 15,000 companies that are only tasked with the pointy part of our spear tasked with the pointy part of our spear tasked with the pointy part of our spear Visa National Defense they need 100,000

Visa National Defense they need 100,000 Visa National Defense they need 100,000 people they say do you know where they people they say do you know where they people they say do you know where they are we can't find them I said yeah I do are we can't find them I said yeah I do are we can't find them I said yeah I do know where they are man they're in the know where they are man they're in the know where they are man they're in the e8th e8th e8th grade and I grade and I grade and I think I I think the reason you can think I I think the reason you can think I I think the reason you can justify to your listeners why we spent justify to your listeners why we spent justify to your listeners why we spent 20 minutes talking about what's 20 minutes talking about what's 20 minutes talking about what's persuasive what's convincing to this persuasive what's convincing to this persuasive what's convincing to this generation is because that's generation is because that's generation is because that's precisely what I said at precisely what I said at precisely what I said at CPAC these guys along with the CPAC these guys along with the CPAC these guys along with the automotive industry by the way who have automotive industry by the way who have automotive industry by the way who have 70,000 open positions in auto 70,000 open positions in auto 70,000 open positions in auto technicians alone you can go down the technicians alone you can go down the technicians alone you can go down the list there's millions and millions of list there's millions and millions of list there's millions and millions of open jobs we need to understand what is open jobs we need to understand what is open jobs we need to understand what is persuasive to gen Z and then we need to persuasive to gen Z and then we need to persuasive to gen Z and then we need to persuade them to give these persuade them to give these persuade them to give these opportunities an honest look and if we opportunities an honest look and if we opportunities an honest look and if we don't our whole country is going to be don't our whole country is going to be don't our whole country is going to be caught up in a conversation not about caught up in a conversation not about caught up in a conversation not about hey did you know you could make six hey did you know you could make six hey did you know you could make six figures as a plumber or hey look these figures as a plumber or hey look these figures as a plumber or hey look these plumbing companies really really need uh plumbing companies really really need uh plumbing companies really really need uh more plumbers we got to they got a more plumbers we got to they got a more plumbers we got to they got a problem it's not going to be about that problem it's not going to be about that problem it's not going to be about that it's going to be about how long do Mr it's going to be about how long do Mr it's going to be about how long do Mr and Mrs Carlin want to wait for a and Mrs Carlin want to wait for a and Mrs Carlin want to wait for a plumber or an electrician when you plumber or an electrician when you plumber or an electrician when you really need one how how behind do you really need one how how behind do you really need one how how behind do you want the Cadence for our nuclear want the Cadence for our nuclear want the Cadence for our nuclear powerered subs to to get to what at what powerered subs to to get to what at what powerered subs to to get to what at what point do 330 million people actually point do 330 million people actually point do 330 million people actually realize that they have skin in this game realize that they have skin in this game realize that they have skin in this game and that whether it's the Democratic and that whether it's the Democratic and that whether it's the Democratic National Convention or CPAC or the white

National Convention or CPAC or the white National Convention or CPAC or the white house or like if you guys really care house or like if you guys really care house or like if you guys really care who I'm talking to about this issue then who I'm talking to about this issue then who I'm talking to about this issue then I with great respect I I think you've I with great respect I I think you've I with great respect I I think you've missed the forest for the trees the missed the forest for the trees the missed the forest for the trees the threat's real it's existential okay but threat's real it's existential okay but threat's real it's existential okay but let me but let me tell you what I'm let me but let me tell you what I'm let me but let me tell you what I'm hearing here and and this might be worth hearing here and and this might be worth hearing here and and this might be worth getting into see to me when I hear this getting into see to me when I hear this getting into see to me when I hear this and you know you you're from Cal you and you know you you're from Cal you and you know you you're from Cal you live in California I I'm from California live in California I I'm from California live in California I I'm from California south southern California and the one south southern California and the one south southern California and the one thing that I'm hearing there is I'm thing that I'm hearing there is I'm thing that I'm hearing there is I'm seeing the lines cross between need and seeing the lines cross between need and seeing the lines cross between need and immigration um how do those two because immigration um how do those two because immigration um how do those two because when you say that I'm thinking of of of when you say that I'm thinking of of of when you say that I'm thinking of of of the things that you know I remember when the things that you know I remember when the things that you know I remember when Ronald Reagan tried to uh uh overhaul Ronald Reagan tried to uh uh overhaul Ronald Reagan tried to uh uh overhaul the immigration stuff in the middle the immigration stuff in the middle the immigration stuff in the middle 1980s and and the big push back came 1980s and and the big push back came 1980s and and the big push back came from employers you know uh one state from employers you know uh one state from employers you know uh one state near the border right one state near the near the border right one state near the near the border right one state near the Rio Grand or one state near San Diego's Rio Grand or one state near San Diego's Rio Grand or one state near San Diego's you know border whatever it might be and you know border whatever it might be and you know border whatever it might be and and and those people were saying hey uh and and those people were saying hey uh and and those people were saying hey uh we have jobs that need filling now we have jobs that need filling now we have jobs that need filling now remember the debate at the time centered remember the debate at the time centered remember the debate at the time centered around you know do you just not want to around you know do you just not want to around you know do you just not want to pay Americans the same you you want to pay Americans the same you you want to pay Americans the same you you want to bring in lower paid workers so that you bring in lower paid workers so that you bring in lower paid workers so that you can undercut them but the bottom line is can undercut them but the bottom line is can undercut them but the bottom line is there was not a huge number of people there was not a huge number of people there was not a huge number of people for example wanting to get into the fast for example wanting to get into the fast for example wanting to get into the fast food industry for the Long Haul right food industry for the Long Haul right food industry for the Long Haul right you could get a kid like yours truly you could get a kid like yours truly you could get a kid like yours truly because I did all those jobs I did a lot because I did all those jobs I did a lot because I did all those jobs I did a lot of Dirty Jobs Mike but I I I did the of Dirty Jobs Mike but I I I did the of Dirty Jobs Mike but I I I did the fast food thing and and it's not the fast food thing and and it's not the fast food thing and and it's not the kind of thing where I'm going to be kind of thing where I'm going to be kind of thing where I'm going to be there for 25 years if I can help it but

there for 25 years if I can help it but there for 25 years if I can help it but a lot of the people I worked with some a lot of the people I worked with some a lot of the people I worked with some of whom were from South of the Border of whom were from South of the Border of whom were from South of the Border they took that job so much more they took that job so much more they took that job so much more seriously that the employer would look seriously that the employer would look seriously that the employer would look at them and go hm I'm going to invest a at them and go hm I'm going to invest a at them and go hm I'm going to invest a year train in this guy and then he's year train in this guy and then he's year train in this guy and then he's going to leave whereas I can have this going to leave whereas I can have this going to leave whereas I can have this young lady from South of the Border I'm young lady from South of the Border I'm young lady from South of the Border I'm going to give her this job and she's not going to give her this job and she's not going to give her this job and she's not going to leave till I tell her she has going to leave till I tell her she has going to leave till I tell her she has to um where does the line between oh my to um where does the line between oh my to um where does the line between oh my God we don't we have all these positions God we don't we have all these positions God we don't we have all these positions that need filling and the people that that need filling and the people that that need filling and the people that can fill them domestically are in the can fill them domestically are in the can fill them domestically are in the e8th grade um versus okay well we're e8th grade um versus okay well we're e8th grade um versus okay well we're going to throw a lot of people out of going to throw a lot of people out of going to throw a lot of people out of the country and there's a difference the country and there's a difference the country and there's a difference obviously between undocumented and obviously between undocumented and obviously between undocumented and documented the ones who get the the Elon documented the ones who get the the Elon documented the ones who get the the Elon Musk Visa versus the ones who don't get Musk Visa versus the ones who don't get Musk Visa versus the ones who don't get but but how do those lines cross Mike but but how do those lines cross Mike but but how do those lines cross Mike when you work with these open jobs and when you work with these open jobs and when you work with these open jobs and the need to get more people who maybe the need to get more people who maybe the need to get more people who maybe have skills in the game I mean where do have skills in the game I mean where do have skills in the game I mean where do those lines cross in your those lines cross in your those lines cross in your mind you could just not to Ambush you no mind you could just not to Ambush you no mind you could just not to Ambush you no no you're not but but didn't wasn't no you're not but but didn't wasn't no you're not but but didn't wasn't there a similar conversation in 1860 there a similar conversation in 1860 there a similar conversation in 1860 yeah about Irish people taking all the yeah about Irish people taking all the yeah about Irish people taking all the jobs about the Irish absolutely but but jobs about the Irish absolutely but but jobs about the Irish absolutely but but but what about the slave population but what about the slave population but what about the slave population absolutely the basic argument that I'm absolutely the basic argument that I'm absolutely the basic argument that I'm not saying you're making it but but if not saying you're making it but but if not saying you're making it but but if you if you kind of distill it we're you if you kind of distill it we're you if you kind of distill it we're saying listen we can't get 7.2 million saying listen we can't get 7.2 million saying listen we can't get 7.2 million American men to do this work right so to American men to do this work right so to American men to do this work right so to get the work done we're going to have to get the work done we're going to have to get the work done we're going to have to rely on a Workforce that maybe don't rely on a Workforce that maybe don't rely on a Workforce that maybe don't consist of citizens there done easy

consist of citizens there done easy consist of citizens there done easy right well well actually no you know right well well actually no you know right well well actually no you know it's it's I don't think it's that easy I it's it's I don't think it's that easy I it's it's I don't think it's that easy I think sometimes things need to go Splat think sometimes things need to go Splat think sometimes things need to go Splat before they get better and if we want to before they get better and if we want to before they get better and if we want to create an economy that incentivizes create an economy that incentivizes create an economy that incentivizes people to work uh I'm not quite sure we people to work uh I'm not quite sure we people to work uh I'm not quite sure we can solve the problem you're describing can solve the problem you're describing can solve the problem you're describing believe me I get it I know a lot of believe me I get it I know a lot of believe me I get it I know a lot of general contractors I know a lot of general contractors I know a lot of general contractors I know a lot of people in construction and it's it's not people in construction and it's it's not people in construction and it's it's not untrue to say that if you untrue to say that if you untrue to say that if you removed uh the the Mexican contribution removed uh the the Mexican contribution removed uh the the Mexican contribution to the American construction industry I to the American construction industry I to the American construction industry I I'm not commenting on whether it's legal I'm not commenting on whether it's legal I'm not commenting on whether it's legal or illegal I'm just saying let's just or illegal I'm just saying let's just or illegal I'm just saying let's just take that race for a moment and imagine take that race for a moment and imagine take that race for a moment and imagine they don't work in construction well they don't work in construction well they don't work in construction well guess what's getting guess what's getting guess what's getting built nothing nothing now I don't I built nothing nothing now I don't I built nothing nothing now I don't I don't know how that should inform the don't know how that should inform the don't know how that should inform the debate about immigration I totally get debate about immigration I totally get debate about immigration I totally get that they're related but your your that they're related but your your that they're related but your your earlier question I think is is more earlier question I think is is more earlier question I think is is more important when you talk important when you talk important when you talk about what do you say to somebody who about what do you say to somebody who about what do you say to somebody who makes a career out of working at Burger makes a career out of working at Burger makes a career out of working at Burger King what do you say about the argument King what do you say about the argument King what do you say about the argument when you say well wait a minute this job when you say well wait a minute this job when you say well wait a minute this job is supposed to be a rung on a ladder is supposed to be a rung on a ladder is supposed to be a rung on a ladder you're supposed to do it for a time and you're supposed to do it for a time and you're supposed to do it for a time and it's crap pay and you're not going to it's crap pay and you're not going to it's crap pay and you're not going to enjoy it probably it's really hard let's enjoy it probably it's really hard let's enjoy it probably it's really hard let's point that out it's really hard yes it's point that out it's really hard yes it's point that out it's really hard yes it's hard you're on your feet you're covered

hard you're on your feet you're covered hard you're on your feet you're covered with grease you're dealing with the with grease you're dealing with the with grease you're dealing with the public it's customer service meets public it's customer service meets public it's customer service meets manual labor there's all kinds of manual labor there's all kinds of manual labor there's all kinds of pressure but it it is what it is and pressure but it it is what it is and pressure but it it is what it is and it's a really important job and baked it's a really important job and baked it's a really important job and baked into that whole transaction is the idea into that whole transaction is the idea into that whole transaction is the idea that you're going to leave after 6 that you're going to leave after 6 that you're going to leave after 6 months or a year and so if you Arbitrage months or a year and so if you Arbitrage months or a year and so if you Arbitrage that out of the bargain then we have no that out of the bargain then we have no that out of the bargain then we have no choice but to figure choice but to figure choice but to figure out how to make that job sufficient to out how to make that job sufficient to out how to make that job sufficient to care for your your family I suppose and care for your your family I suppose and care for your your family I suppose and and now now we've got a whole different and now now we've got a whole different and now now we've got a whole different problem right I mean you're probably problem right I mean you're probably problem right I mean you're probably thinking of your first job right now I'm thinking of your first job right now I'm thinking of your first job right now I'm thinking of mine I was an usher you know thinking of mine I was an usher you know thinking of mine I was an usher you know for United Artist I was tearing tickets for United Artist I was tearing tickets for United Artist I was tearing tickets and then I was selling the concessions and then I was selling the concessions and then I was selling the concessions and then I was uh selling the tickets I and then I was uh selling the tickets I and then I was uh selling the tickets I was a cashier and then finally I worked was a cashier and then finally I worked was a cashier and then finally I worked my way up to a my way up to a my way up to a projectionist I went from 270 an hour to projectionist I went from 270 an hour to projectionist I went from 270 an hour to $13 an hour and all of that ecosystem $13 an hour and all of that ecosystem $13 an hour and all of that ecosystem made so much sense to my brain I I made so much sense to my brain I I made so much sense to my brain I I didn't like any of the jobs that led up didn't like any of the jobs that led up didn't like any of the jobs that led up to the one that I really liked but I I to the one that I really liked but I I to the one that I really liked but I I went through them and I I had to do that went through them and I I had to do that went through them and I I had to do that you know you know you know sidebar I just went to a theater in San sidebar I just went to a theater in San sidebar I just went to a theater in San Francisco and um the ticket was sold Francisco and um the ticket was sold Francisco and um the ticket was sold through a machine after I put in my through a machine after I put in my through a machine after I put in my credit card the popcorn same thing it it

credit card the popcorn same thing it it credit card the popcorn same thing it it was basically robotically delivered to was basically robotically delivered to was basically robotically delivered to me I paid for it I asked the manager me I paid for it I asked the manager me I paid for it I asked the manager when I was leaving you know what he was when I was leaving you know what he was when I was leaving you know what he was paying as projectionist and he just paying as projectionist and he just paying as projectionist and he just laughed and showed me the giant disc laughed and showed me the giant disc laughed and showed me the giant disc that just pushed right into the machine that just pushed right into the machine that just pushed right into the machine there's no there's no film there's no there's no film there's no there's no film anymore like that that whole ecosystem anymore like that that whole ecosystem anymore like that that whole ecosystem has changed and here in California has changed and here in California has changed and here in California I look believe me I know how much grief I look believe me I know how much grief I look believe me I know how much grief we'll get if we dive into the minimum we'll get if we dive into the minimum we'll get if we dive into the minimum wage but God the evidence demands of wage but God the evidence demands of wage but God the evidence demands of verdict the those jobs are gone the verdict the those jobs are gone the verdict the those jobs are gone the kiosks are here the big fast food kiosks are here the big fast food kiosks are here the big fast food companies have Atlas Shrugged those companies have Atlas Shrugged those companies have Atlas Shrugged those those jobs are gone those rungs are gone those jobs are gone those rungs are gone those jobs are gone those rungs are gone sure but there's but there's two sides sure but there's but there's two sides sure but there's but there's two sides to this I mean totally totally see that to this I mean totally totally see that to this I mean totally totally see that totally see that but then the other side totally see that but then the other side totally see that but then the other side would be the old thing we learned in would be the old thing we learned in would be the old thing we learned in capitalism 101 right that that you know capitalism 101 right that that you know capitalism 101 right that that you know when when there's a a the supply and when when there's a a the supply and when when there's a a the supply and demand question that's when wages are demand question that's when wages are demand question that's when wages are supposed to rise right so when you say supposed to rise right so when you say supposed to rise right so when you say that these kids are in the eighth grade that these kids are in the eighth grade that these kids are in the eighth grade that are going to fill these shovel that are going to fill these shovel that are going to fill these shovel ready type jobs well then one would ready type jobs well then one would ready type jobs well then one would assume that your plumber because there's assume that your plumber because there's assume that your plumber because there's not enough plumbers can command more not enough plumbers can command more not enough plumbers can command more money to come and do the plumbing job uh money to come and do the plumbing job uh money to come and do the plumbing job uh now obviously if if if we all remember now obviously if if if we all remember now obviously if if if we all remember our econ classes and everything there's our econ classes and everything there's our econ classes and everything there's a connection between that and inflation a connection between that and inflation a connection between that and inflation and everything else it's like so so I and everything else it's like so so I and everything else it's like so so I understand it's like it's like if you understand it's like it's like if you understand it's like it's like if you gave the people at the Burger King uh gave the people at the Burger King uh gave the people at the Burger King uh $45 an hour to do their job your $45 an hour to do their job your $45 an hour to do their job your hamburgers are going to cost 35 bucks hamburgers are going to cost 35 bucks hamburgers are going to cost 35 bucks right or something like in other words right or something like in other words right or something like in other words everything is connected to everything

everything is connected to everything everything is connected to everything else so if we if we just take something else so if we if we just take something else so if we if we just take something aside and look at the Justice question aside and look at the Justice question aside and look at the Justice question of this right somebody who works all day of this right somebody who works all day of this right somebody who works all day long at a hard job loyally should be long at a hard job loyally should be long at a hard job loyally should be able to support health care and place to able to support health care and place to able to support health care and place to live all the theoretically but if you live all the theoretically but if you live all the theoretically but if you actually were to mandate that the actually were to mandate that the actually were to mandate that the unintended consequences that Ripple unintended consequences that Ripple unintended consequences that Ripple through the system are terrible so if we through the system are terrible so if we through the system are terrible so if we did it right though we could say did it right though we could say did it right though we could say something like well that's a minimum something like well that's a minimum something like well that's a minimum wage job you should you know that's a wage job you should you know that's a wage job you should you know that's a rung on the ladder but then the plumber rung on the ladder but then the plumber rung on the ladder but then the plumber should be making $175 an hour if there's should be making $175 an hour if there's should be making $175 an hour if there's not enough of them in other words if it not enough of them in other words if it not enough of them in other words if it both if it all works right in and the both if it all works right in and the both if it all works right in and the justice is applied equally across the justice is applied equally across the justice is applied equally across the levels of society then at some point the levels of society then at some point the levels of society then at some point the people at the lower rung should be people at the lower rung should be people at the lower rung should be kicking ass because it's their turn to kicking ass because it's their turn to kicking ass because it's their turn to benefit from supply and demand does that benefit from supply and demand does that benefit from supply and demand does that make make make sense I think the people I think when sense I think the people I think when sense I think the people I think when everything is working right what happens everything is working right what happens everything is working right what happens is you you can climb faster I don't is you you can climb faster I don't is you you can climb faster I don't think the rungs fundamentally change in think the rungs fundamentally change in think the rungs fundamentally change in their inherent value I'm not talking their inherent value I'm not talking their inherent value I'm not talking about the burger rung I'm talking about about the burger rung I'm talking about about the burger rung I'm talking about the plumber rung ah well then Burger the plumber rung ah well then Burger the plumber rung ah well then Burger rung is a different thing oh not in rung is a different thing oh not in rung is a different thing oh not in California I know I know that I have California I know I know that I have California I know I know that I have family members who run who run a family members who run who run a family members who run who run a business I hear about this a lot yeah I business I hear about this a lot yeah I business I hear about this a lot yeah I bet well look this goes to nuance and it bet well look this goes to nuance and it bet well look this goes to nuance and it goes to the dangers of painting with too goes to the dangers of painting with too goes to the dangers of painting with too broad a brush and you know we're so broad a brush and you know we're so broad a brush and you know we're so close to the thing that really blew up close to the thing that really blew up close to the thing that really blew up in my face a few years ago but I I don't in my face a few years ago but I I don't in my face a few years ago but I I don't mind because you know the talk about mind because you know the talk about mind because you know the talk about that though man talk about that because that though man talk about that because that though man talk about that because we talked yeah bring that up let let

we talked yeah bring that up let let we talked yeah bring that up let let let's let's expose that to the light of let's let's expose that to the light of let's let's expose that to the light of day and so yeah uh I just want to bring day and so yeah uh I just want to bring day and so yeah uh I just want to bring you more grief and trouble than you you more grief and trouble than you you more grief and trouble than you already have unable D unbelievable this already have unable D unbelievable this already have unable D unbelievable this is this un Uncommon Sense we should call is this un Uncommon Sense we should call is this un Uncommon Sense we should call you will not be on the show again you will not be on the show again you will not be on the show again probably no look I I'm I really do feel probably no look I I'm I really do feel probably no look I I'm I really do feel I'm an open book and I and I really do I'm an open book and I and I really do I'm an open book and I and I really do support uh many Union efforts but I support uh many Union efforts but I support uh many Union efforts but I don't support them all and I've been don't support them all and I've been don't support them all and I've been honest about that because my Foundation honest about that because my Foundation honest about that because my Foundation trains people so far 2200 and a big trains people so far 2200 and a big trains people so far 2200 and a big percentage of them 30 35% work in Unions percentage of them 30 35% work in Unions percentage of them 30 35% work in Unions that's much higher than the national that's much higher than the national that's much higher than the national aggregate um most are working in right aggregate um most are working in right aggregate um most are working in right to work states and are not in a union so to work states and are not in a union so to work states and are not in a union so I don't have a real dog in that in that I don't have a real dog in that in that I don't have a real dog in that in that hunt I I think there's a difference hunt I I think there's a difference hunt I I think there's a difference between labor and and work and this between labor and and work and this between labor and and work and this Foundation is called micro works and and Foundation is called micro works and and Foundation is called micro works and and so I try and stay out of the you know so I try and stay out of the you know so I try and stay out of the you know Eternal struggles between labor and Eternal struggles between labor and Eternal struggles between labor and management but it doesn't matter because management but it doesn't matter because management but it doesn't matter because to our earlier point it's not what you to our earlier point it's not what you to our earlier point it's not what you say it's what you don't say and if I say it's what you don't say and if I say it's what you don't say and if I don't come out and universally don't come out and universally don't come out and universally embrace all unions all embrace all unions all embrace all unions all solidarity then then I get push back I solidarity then then I get push back I solidarity then then I get push back I get real push back back and and I and I get real push back back and and I and I get real push back back and and I and I understand it I was I was surprised and understand it I was I was surprised and understand it I was I was surprised and kind of disappointed Mighty it hurt my kind of disappointed Mighty it hurt my kind of disappointed Mighty it hurt my feelings there back in 2004 and five feelings there back in 2004 and five feelings there back in 2004 and five when it really came back at me but I've

when it really came back at me but I've when it really came back at me but I've since learned that to your point we since learned that to your point we since learned that to your point we really are in a kind of supply and really are in a kind of supply and really are in a kind of supply and demand thing and I'll I'll tell you a demand thing and I'll I'll tell you a demand thing and I'll I'll tell you a union story a personal one in a moment union story a personal one in a moment union story a personal one in a moment if you want to hear it but but with if you want to hear it but but with if you want to hear it but but with regard to your point it's it's true that regard to your point it's it's true that regard to your point it's it's true that most of the plumbers I know today are most of the plumbers I know today are most of the plumbers I know today are making mid6 figures it's true that many making mid6 figures it's true that many making mid6 figures it's true that many of them have come through my program of them have come through my program of them have come through my program same with same with same with electricians it's true that most people electricians it's true that most people electricians it's true that most people don't believe you can make six figures don't believe you can make six figures don't believe you can make six figures welding or Plumbing or doing electric welding or Plumbing or doing electric welding or Plumbing or doing electric they just don't believe it they haven't they just don't believe it they haven't they just don't believe it they haven't seen it so a lot of what I do and a lot seen it so a lot of what I do and a lot seen it so a lot of what I do and a lot of why I do it is to Simply say I don't of why I do it is to Simply say I don't of why I do it is to Simply say I don't want to shove this down your throat but want to shove this down your throat but want to shove this down your throat but I I want your kids to understand there's I I want your kids to understand there's I I want your kids to understand there's a very short path to six figures a very short path to six figures a very short path to six figures working in the skilled trades that's a working in the skilled trades that's a working in the skilled trades that's a you know to think otherwise is a is a you know to think otherwise is a is a you know to think otherwise is a is a misperception and a myth and it needs to misperception and a myth and it needs to misperception and a myth and it needs to be debunked and that's a lot of what I be debunked and that's a lot of what I be debunked and that's a lot of what I do do do however if you look at it through the however if you look at it through the however if you look at it through the lens of a union shop would you rather lens of a union shop would you rather lens of a union shop would you rather have more plumbers than than you need have more plumbers than than you need have more plumbers than than you need the perfect amount of plumbers or fewer the perfect amount of plumbers or fewer the perfect amount of plumbers or fewer plumbers if if you're one of those plumbers if if you're one of those plumbers if if you're one of those plumbers would you rather have so much plumbers would you rather have so much plumbers would you rather have so much work that you can set your own schedule work that you can set your own schedule work that you can set your own schedule and your own rate and easily form your and your own rate and easily form your and your own rate and easily form your own going concern or would you want to own going concern or would you want to own going concern or would you want to have just enough to keep you busy for 40

have just enough to keep you busy for 40 have just enough to keep you busy for 40 hours or would you have too little right hours or would you have too little right hours or would you have too little right clearly if you're the union you want clearly if you're the union you want clearly if you're the union you want scarcity you want to represent a number scarcity you want to represent a number scarcity you want to represent a number of plumbers that allow them to charge of plumbers that allow them to charge of plumbers that allow them to charge whatever they can get and that's okay I whatever they can get and that's okay I whatever they can get and that's okay I I completely understand that rule in a I completely understand that rule in a I completely understand that rule in a micro economy but in a macro micro economy but in a macro micro economy but in a macro economy well what does that do for economy well what does that do for economy well what does that do for people who have who share my addiction people who have who share my addiction people who have who share my addiction to indoor plumbing or or or affordable to indoor plumbing or or or affordable to indoor plumbing or or or affordable electricity it's back to my earlier electricity it's back to my earlier electricity it's back to my earlier question Dan how long do you want to question Dan how long do you want to question Dan how long do you want to wait for that plumber who is so in wait for that plumber who is so in wait for that plumber who is so in demand that he can't unclog your demand that he can't unclog your demand that he can't unclog your nightmare of a commode for four or five nightmare of a commode for four or five nightmare of a commode for four or five days how long should the country wait days how long should the country wait days how long should the country wait for the submarines to get built that we for the submarines to get built that we for the submarines to get built that we rely upon So when you say where do you rely upon So when you say where do you rely upon So when you say where do you draw that draw that draw that line that is a fair question and it is line that is a fair question and it is line that is a fair question and it is one that I I have tried to answer and one that I I have tried to answer and one that I I have tried to answer and I've paid a price for trying to answer I've paid a price for trying to answer I've paid a price for trying to answer it and I can live with that all I would it and I can live with that all I would it and I can live with that all I would ask in return is to say that's not ask in return is to say that's not ask in return is to say that's not really my fight my fight is not to step really my fight my fight is not to step really my fight my fight is not to step between labor and management and make a between labor and management and make a between labor and management and make a more persuasive case for somebody's pay more persuasive case for somebody's pay more persuasive case for somebody's pay package my fight is to step a bit package my fight is to step a bit package my fight is to step a bit further back and say Here's Where the

further back and say Here's Where the further back and say Here's Where the shortages exist in our country airgo shortages exist in our country airgo shortages exist in our country airgo here's where the opportunities exist for here's where the opportunities exist for here's where the opportunities exist for men and women who want to learn a skill men and women who want to learn a skill men and women who want to learn a skill that's in demand and here is where the that's in demand and here is where the that's in demand and here is where the consequences lie if we don't plug this consequences lie if we don't plug this consequences lie if we don't plug this skills Gap it's going to affect everyone skills Gap it's going to affect everyone skills Gap it's going to affect everyone so I'm not trying to hold myself above so I'm not trying to hold myself above so I'm not trying to hold myself above the Labor Management Strife it's real the Labor Management Strife it's real the Labor Management Strife it's real it's important to a lot of people and I it's important to a lot of people and I it's important to a lot of people and I I don't begrudge it it's just not my I don't begrudge it it's just not my I don't begrudge it it's just not my fight my fight is different okay so I've fight my fight is different okay so I've fight my fight is different okay so I've ambushed you a few times and I've been a ambushed you a few times and I've been a ambushed you a few times and I've been a little hard on you at times maybe but little hard on you at times maybe but little hard on you at times maybe but let me let me turn it around now though let me let me turn it around now though let me let me turn it around now though and say what I love about what you're and say what I love about what you're and say what I love about what you're doing I have a brother who who says a doing I have a brother who who says a doing I have a brother who who says a lot of the same things so for him shop lot of the same things so for him shop lot of the same things so for him shop class electrical class all those things class electrical class all those things class electrical class all those things were the only reason to go to high were the only reason to go to high were the only reason to go to high school as far as he was concerned right school as far as he was concerned right school as far as he was concerned right and he wouldn't have known where he and he wouldn't have known where he and he wouldn't have known where he would be today if not for those things would be today if not for those things would be today if not for those things because we're all built differently because we're all built differently because we're all built differently right what I've always uh had a problem right what I've always uh had a problem right what I've always uh had a problem with uh the system in the United States with uh the system in the United States with uh the system in the United States that that's designed and listen I have a that that's designed and listen I have a that that's designed and listen I have a problem with the way Europe does it too problem with the way Europe does it too problem with the way Europe does it too because they have their own system because they have their own system because they have their own system that's got its pluses and minuses but that's got its pluses and minuses but that's got its pluses and minuses but this idea of people having to all go this idea of people having to all go this idea of people having to all go into the same bins when we're all built into the same bins when we're all built into the same bins when we're all built differently my brother is a hands guy differently my brother is a hands guy differently my brother is a hands guy right he's going to if something breaks right he's going to if something breaks right he's going to if something breaks down I'm going to call somebody he's down I'm going to call somebody he's down I'm going to call somebody he's going to do it right and we're all built going to do it right and we're all built going to do it right and we're all built differently right and so if you say that differently right and so if you say that differently right and so if you say that we live in a world where people like my we live in a world where people like my we live in a world where people like my brother are always going to make an brother are always going to make an brother are always going to make an inferior living He's just never going to inferior living He's just never going to inferior living He's just never going to get to those jobs where it's all mental

get to those jobs where it's all mental get to those jobs where it's all mental and creative and although that's a silly and creative and although that's a silly and creative and although that's a silly thing to say because my brother would thing to say because my brother would thing to say because my brother would tell you that the different ways to tell you that the different ways to tell you that the different ways to build something or fix a car it all build something or fix a car it all build something or fix a car it all involves the same level of creativity involves the same level of creativity involves the same level of creativity just applied differently but the point just applied differently but the point just applied differently but the point is is that by by realizing that we all is is that by by realizing that we all is is that by by realizing that we all need Avenues and different Avenues work need Avenues and different Avenues work need Avenues and different Avenues work for people with different skills and for people with different skills and for people with different skills and tendencies and qualities um I think tendencies and qualities um I think tendencies and qualities um I think that's really valuable because I think that's really valuable because I think that's really valuable because I think what happens when you don't is you leave what happens when you don't is you leave what happens when you don't is you leave lots of people behind right and I think lots of people behind right and I think lots of people behind right and I think what you're arguing for and I think it what you're arguing for and I think it what you're arguing for and I think it does get a little bit lost in the union does get a little bit lost in the union does get a little bit lost in the union versus non-union the whole idea is we versus non-union the whole idea is we versus non-union the whole idea is we have lots of people like you said the have lots of people like you said the have lots of people like you said the line that sticks with me that you've hit line that sticks with me that you've hit line that sticks with me that you've hit me with over and over is how much these me with over and over is how much these me with over and over is how much these people can make and how few people people can make and how few people people can make and how few people realize that uh I guy lived across the realize that uh I guy lived across the realize that uh I guy lived across the street from me he moved now but he was street from me he moved now but he was street from me he moved now but he was uh he was one of those electricians that uh he was one of those electricians that uh he was one of those electricians that doesn't do like consumer work he works doesn't do like consumer work he works doesn't do like consumer work he works for like the new homes so they're for like the new homes so they're for like the new homes so they're building new homes and he's just doing a building new homes and he's just doing a building new homes and he's just doing a bunch of them at once he makes a bunch of them at once he makes a bunch of them at once he makes a fantastic living right High School grad fantastic living right High School grad fantastic living right High School grad the whole thing works with his hands you the whole thing works with his hands you the whole thing works with his hands you would he comes over and fixes things for would he comes over and fixes things for would he comes over and fixes things for me when I need stuff and doesn't charge me when I need stuff and doesn't charge me when I need stuff and doesn't charge me I mean a salt of the earth kind of me I mean a salt of the earth kind of me I mean a salt of the earth kind of guy but you need a place for everybody guy but you need a place for everybody guy but you need a place for everybody like that and and and he's made an like that and and and he's made an like that and and and he's made an amazing life but if you had said to him amazing life but if you had said to him amazing life but if you had said to him I'm sorry uh you need to go this route I'm sorry uh you need to go this route I'm sorry uh you need to go this route and I'm going to filter you down where I and I'm going to filter you down where I and I'm going to filter you down where I think you should go he would not be think you should go he would not be think you should go he would not be anywhere near as successful so I love anywhere near as successful so I love anywhere near as successful so I love the fact that you're taking a giant the fact that you're taking a giant the fact that you're taking a giant swath of society that for a lot of human swath of society that for a lot of human swath of society that for a lot of human history had a had logical outlets for history had a had logical outlets for history had a had logical outlets for their talents and were in an their talents and were in an their talents and were in an artificially constrained time and like artificially constrained time and like artificially constrained time and like you said not just artificially you said not just artificially you said not just artificially constrained but really almost like a

constrained but really almost like a constrained but really almost like a fake image of what it is right like you fake image of what it is right like you fake image of what it is right like you said if you told somebody you can make said if you told somebody you can make said if you told somebody you can make $250,000 a year as an electrician $250,000 a year as an electrician $250,000 a year as an electrician there's going to be a lot of people out there's going to be a lot of people out there's going to be a lot of people out there that go really you know and that's there that go really you know and that's there that go really you know and that's a light bulb moment and so I don't think a light bulb moment and so I don't think a light bulb moment and so I don't think people are turning on that light bulb people are turning on that light bulb people are turning on that light bulb and you've done you you hit that so hard and you've done you you hit that so hard and you've done you you hit that so hard that that stayed with me so when this that that stayed with me so when this that that stayed with me so when this conversation's over and I can't remember conversation's over and I can't remember conversation's over and I can't remember one thing we said other than my wife's one thing we said other than my wife's one thing we said other than my wife's story in the live shot I'm going to story in the live shot I'm going to story in the live shot I'm going to remember the fact that you know that we remember the fact that you know that we remember the fact that you know that we have these jobs out there where people have these jobs out there where people have these jobs out there where people could be making really good middle class could be making really good middle class could be making really good middle class maybe even upper middle class living and maybe even upper middle class living and maybe even upper middle class living and they don't know it um and I think that's they don't know it um and I think that's they don't know it um and I think that's helpful thank you I mean it means a lot helpful thank you I mean it means a lot helpful thank you I mean it means a lot coming from you truly um cuz it's a hard coming from you truly um cuz it's a hard coming from you truly um cuz it's a hard cell and it's a complicated thing to cell and it's a complicated thing to cell and it's a complicated thing to articulate sometimes and there is articulate sometimes and there is articulate sometimes and there is something Ein randian about it there's a something Ein randian about it there's a something Ein randian about it there's a class thing too I mean there's a look class thing too I mean there's a look class thing too I mean there's a look down on thing involved also I was going down on thing involved also I was going down on thing involved also I was going more for I mean for sure the the notion more for I mean for sure the the notion more for I mean for sure the the notion of vocational consolation that's right of vocational consolation that's right of vocational consolation that's right that's right exactly yeah look if if that's right exactly yeah look if if that's right exactly yeah look if if cookie cutter advice is indeed the enemy cookie cutter advice is indeed the enemy cookie cutter advice is indeed the enemy and I think we agree that it is how in and I think we agree that it is how in and I think we agree that it is how in the world are you to unpack the world are you to unpack the world are you to unpack uh free college for all or everyone uh free college for all or everyone uh free college for all or everyone should go to college when you use words should go to college when you use words should go to college when you use words like everyone and all as a lot of like everyone and all as a lot of like everyone and all as a lot of elected officials did when they were elected officials did when they were elected officials did when they were getting behind this Universal push for getting behind this Universal push for getting behind this Universal push for college you know the language matters college you know the language matters college you know the language matters and and and you immediately and and and you immediately and and and you immediately relegate these other muscular trades

relegate these other muscular trades relegate these other muscular trades let's call them um to something let's call them um to something let's call them um to something subordinate and that's been happening subordinate and that's been happening subordinate and that's been happening for as long ever since we took shop for as long ever since we took shop for as long ever since we took shop class out of high school the language class out of high school the language class out of high school the language matters enormously if we're to talk matters enormously if we're to talk matters enormously if we're to talk about higher education and its benefits about higher education and its benefits about higher education and its benefits over here don't we de facto have to over here don't we de facto have to over here don't we de facto have to acknowledge the existence of lower acknowledge the existence of lower acknowledge the existence of lower education now we don't call it that education now we don't call it that education now we don't call it that because that'd be a bit too on the nose because that'd be a bit too on the nose because that'd be a bit too on the nose we call it alternative education the we call it alternative education the we call it alternative education the kind of education for your brother in kind of education for your brother in kind of education for your brother in other words or a lot of people that my other words or a lot of people that my other words or a lot of people that my Foundation tries to encourage and and Foundation tries to encourage and and Foundation tries to encourage and and help these things if you if you position help these things if you if you position help these things if you if you position as alternatives to that group of people as alternatives to that group of people as alternatives to that group of people who are not either intellectually or who are not either intellectually or who are not either intellectually or otherwise suited for a 4-year Pursuit otherwise suited for a 4-year Pursuit otherwise suited for a 4-year Pursuit you've already set the table and you've you've already set the table and you've you've already set the table and you've already told Society it's okay to look already told Society it's okay to look already told Society it's okay to look at this this class of at this this class of at this this class of workers uh through a through a fairly workers uh through a through a fairly workers uh through a through a fairly fishy eye right now my point with Rand fishy eye right now my point with Rand fishy eye right now my point with Rand and I'm I'm not a randian just to be be and I'm I'm not a randian just to be be and I'm I'm not a randian just to be be clear about it although I did enjoy the clear about it although I did enjoy the clear about it although I did enjoy the books books books um is that uh I'm not doing this because um is that uh I'm not doing this because um is that uh I'm not doing this because I'm I'm I'm altruistic I'm not I'm not doing this altruistic I'm not I'm not doing this altruistic I'm not I'm not doing this because I feel sorry for this group of because I feel sorry for this group of because I feel sorry for this group of people who can't find work or sorry for people who can't find work or sorry for people who can't find work or sorry for this group of employers who who can't this group of employers who who can't this group of employers who who can't make a more persuasive case for the make a more persuasive case for the make a more persuasive case for the opportunities that exist there my my opportunities that exist there my my opportunities that exist there my my philanthropy is selfish I I wasn't

philanthropy is selfish I I wasn't philanthropy is selfish I I wasn't kidding you laughed when I said it kidding you laughed when I said it kidding you laughed when I said it because it is a a laugh line but I am because it is a a laugh line but I am because it is a a laugh line but I am addicted to indoor plumbing and smooth addicted to indoor plumbing and smooth addicted to indoor plumbing and smooth roads I'm laughing again sorry I am roads I'm laughing again sorry I am roads I'm laughing again sorry I am addicted we're all addicted to that man addicted we're all addicted to that man addicted we're all addicted to that man that's where it starts Dan it starts that's where it starts Dan it starts that's where it starts Dan it starts with gratitude it starts with a shared with gratitude it starts with a shared with gratitude it starts with a shared understanding that if the people I understanding that if the people I understanding that if the people I profiled on Dirty Jobs all call in sick profiled on Dirty Jobs all call in sick profiled on Dirty Jobs all call in sick for a week the part's over yeah right for a week the part's over yeah right for a week the part's over yeah right and so it's it's very easy not to be and so it's it's very easy not to be and so it's it's very easy not to be properly Gob smacked by the miracle of properly Gob smacked by the miracle of properly Gob smacked by the miracle of this Riverside connection made possible this Riverside connection made possible this Riverside connection made possible by some guys who buried the fiber optic by some guys who buried the fiber optic by some guys who buried the fiber optic lines that you and I will never actually lines that you and I will never actually lines that you and I will never actually see that allow us to have the see that allow us to have the see that allow us to have the conversation that we're having it's very conversation that we're having it's very conversation that we're having it's very easy to lose our wonder you flick the easy to lose our wonder you flick the easy to lose our wonder you flick the switch and the light comes on big switch and the light comes on big switch and the light comes on big freaking deal you flush the toilet and freaking deal you flush the toilet and freaking deal you flush the toilet and the crap goes away yeah yeah yeah who the crap goes away yeah yeah yeah who the crap goes away yeah yeah yeah who cares right up until it doesn't so yeah cares right up until it doesn't so yeah cares right up until it doesn't so yeah I spend a lot of time talking about the I spend a lot of time talking about the I spend a lot of time talking about the the fact that we've lost our our Wonder the fact that we've lost our our Wonder the fact that we've lost our our Wonder in the work that guys like your brother in the work that guys like your brother in the work that guys like your brother do uh do uh do uh because what happens when we start to because what happens when we start to because what happens when we start to really rely on something or somebody really rely on something or somebody really rely on something or somebody it's it's funny how Reliance is so it's it's funny how Reliance is so it's it's funny how Reliance is so adjacent to uh oh adjacent to uh oh adjacent to uh oh resentment how funny that we start to resentment how funny that we start to resentment how funny that we start to resent the things we rely on I know I do resent the things we rely on I know I do resent the things we rely on I know I do I shake my fist at the construction I shake my fist at the construction I shake my fist at the construction worker who's made me late for my worker who's made me late for my worker who's made me late for my appointment because he's putting in an

appointment because he's putting in an appointment because he's putting in an on-ramp that allows me to get onto the on-ramp that allows me to get onto the on-ramp that allows me to get onto the highway you know we get frustrated when highway you know we get frustrated when highway you know we get frustrated when the power goes out we get these we have the power goes out we get these we have the power goes out we get these we have we have no patience we have no tolerance we have no patience we have no tolerance we have no patience we have no tolerance when we get pulled back uh you know a when we get pulled back uh you know a when we get pulled back uh you know a century or so because there's no century or so because there's no century or so because there's no electricity but rather than applaud the electricity but rather than applaud the electricity but rather than applaud the linemen we shake our fists at them linemen we shake our fists at them linemen we shake our fists at them what's taking so long what is going on what's taking so long what is going on what's taking so long what is going on we had four days where I live without we had four days where I live without we had four days where I live without electricity a couple years ago I reckon electricity a couple years ago I reckon electricity a couple years ago I reckon we were two days from Lord of the Flies we were two days from Lord of the Flies we were two days from Lord of the Flies yeah totally but let me let me stop you yeah totally but let me let me stop you yeah totally but let me let me stop you for a second though because let me for a second though because let me for a second though because let me imagine cuz CU you know neither one of imagine cuz CU you know neither one of imagine cuz CU you know neither one of us is too big on on politicians and us is too big on on politicians and us is too big on on politicians and Promises in terms of of of assuming that Promises in terms of of of assuming that Promises in terms of of of assuming that those are all for altruistic reasons but those are all for altruistic reasons but those are all for altruistic reasons but let's imagine for a minute that those let's imagine for a minute that those let's imagine for a minute that those Democratic politicians that were trying Democratic politicians that were trying Democratic politicians that were trying to make college free for everybody were to make college free for everybody were to make college free for everybody were really trying to help Americans if Mike really trying to help Americans if Mike really trying to help Americans if Mike Row has been asked by these politicians Row has been asked by these politicians Row has been asked by these politicians to come in and help flesh out this plan to come in and help flesh out this plan to come in and help flesh out this plan so that it's not just for the people who so that it's not just for the people who so that it's not just for the people who want to work with their brains but want to work with their brains but want to work with their brains but people who who really enjoy getting see people who who really enjoy getting see people who who really enjoy getting see I think even the way you and I are I think even the way you and I are I think even the way you and I are talking talking about it is somewhat talking talking about it is somewhat talking talking about it is somewhat insulting and neither one of us means it insulting and neither one of us means it insulting and neither one of us means it that way right um because like you said that way right um because like you said that way right um because like you said if you have to choose between the guy if you have to choose between the guy if you have to choose between the guy who's going to do your creative video who's going to do your creative video who's going to do your creative video for you who's making $700,000 a year and for you who's making $700,000 a year and for you who's making $700,000 a year and the guy who's going to clean out your the guy who's going to clean out your the guy who's going to clean out your toilet when it clogs if the toilet's toilet when it clogs if the toilet's toilet when it clogs if the toilet's currently clogged and has been clogged currently clogged and has been clogged currently clogged and has been clogged for two days that's the person you're for two days that's the person you're for two days that's the person you're picking so let's not let's so but my picking so let's not let's so but my picking so let's not let's so but my question is is if you were the ones see question is is if you were the ones see question is is if you were the ones see because there's two ways you can go the because there's two ways you can go the because there's two ways you can go the way you can go number one is you can way you can go number one is you can way you can go number one is you can tell these Democratic politicians that tell these Democratic politicians that tell these Democratic politicians that the whole idea of this free education

the whole idea of this free education the whole idea of this free education stuff is the wrong road to begin with stuff is the wrong road to begin with stuff is the wrong road to begin with but the other way to go down it is to but the other way to go down it is to but the other way to go down it is to say sort of what you were saying I don't say sort of what you were saying I don't say sort of what you were saying I don't want to put words in your mouth but that want to put words in your mouth but that want to put words in your mouth but that this only applies to a segment out there this only applies to a segment out there this only applies to a segment out there that needs help how could they have that needs help how could they have that needs help how could they have broadened their thinking if you were broadened their thinking if you were broadened their thinking if you were providing the the advice so that providing the the advice so that providing the the advice so that whatever it was they were trying to whatever it was they were trying to whatever it was they were trying to Let's imagine altruistically do helped Let's imagine altruistically do helped Let's imagine altruistically do helped more of these people that we're talking more of these people that we're talking more of these people that we're talking about than just that narrow group that about than just that narrow group that about than just that narrow group that wants to go to college and thinks that wants to go to college and thinks that wants to go to college and thinks that that's a good outlet for them if my that's a good outlet for them if my that's a good outlet for them if my brother's going I don't want to go to brother's going I don't want to go to brother's going I don't want to go to college he did but I don't want to go to college he did but I don't want to go to college he did but I don't want to go to college I want to go learn how to do college I want to go learn how to do college I want to go learn how to do this new skill with my hands how how do this new skill with my hands how how do this new skill with my hands how how do we have a plan where the politicians we have a plan where the politicians we have a plan where the politicians could start talking about reforms and could start talking about reforms and could start talking about reforms and bettering you know you talked about the bettering you know you talked about the bettering you know you talked about the eighth grade people we're going to need eighth grade people we're going to need eighth grade people we're going to need to build our future submarines uh H how to build our future submarines uh H how to build our future submarines uh H how do they broaden that policy idea that do they broaden that policy idea that do they broaden that policy idea that they're applying in a college sense so they're applying in a college sense so they're applying in a college sense so that they're helping a wider swath of of that they're helping a wider swath of of that they're helping a wider swath of of of the people we need well I mean that's of the people we need well I mean that's of the people we need well I mean that's their job right they they they have to their job right they they they have to their job right they they they have to make they have to use bromides and make they have to use bromides and make they have to use bromides and platitudes they have to trade in trop platitudes they have to trade in trop platitudes they have to trade in trop and cookie cutter advice because they're and cookie cutter advice because they're and cookie cutter advice because they're looking to get elected they they have to looking to get elected they they have to looking to get elected they they have to we won't listen if it's too deep either we won't listen if it's too deep either we won't listen if it's too deep either well that's probably true as well but well that's probably true as well but well that's probably true as well but look I'm I'm micro Works they're macro look I'm I'm micro Works they're macro look I'm I'm micro Works they're macro works and I would think if I were on the works and I would think if I were on the works and I would think if I were on the macro side of things and if I were macro side of things and if I were macro side of things and if I were trying to cast the widest net possible trying to cast the widest net possible trying to cast the widest net possible and by the way I'm not I'm looking at and by the way I'm not I'm looking at and by the way I'm not I'm looking at individuals we have work ethic individuals we have work ethic individuals we have work ethic scholarships you got to sign a sweat scholarships you got to sign a sweat scholarships you got to sign a sweat pledge you got to jump through hoops you pledge you got to jump through hoops you pledge you got to jump through hoops you got to do all kinds of person I'm not

got to do all kinds of person I'm not got to do all kinds of person I'm not trying to help them out that's the way trying to help them out that's the way trying to help them out that's the way to say it and this is I get crap for to say it and this is I get crap for to say it and this is I get crap for this too but I obviously don't care this too but I obviously don't care this too but I obviously don't care anymore I um I'm not trying to help the anymore I um I'm not trying to help the anymore I um I'm not trying to help the maximum number of people I'm trying to maximum number of people I'm trying to maximum number of people I'm trying to help a number of people that can help a number of people that can help a number of people that can constitute a critical mass who share my constitute a critical mass who share my constitute a critical mass who share my view of the world who three four five view of the world who three four five view of the world who three four five years later I can sit down with and say years later I can sit down with and say years later I can sit down with and say how's it going and listen to a story of how's it going and listen to a story of how's it going and listen to a story of a kid who took a $6,000 welding a kid who took a $6,000 welding a kid who took a $6,000 welding certification and turned it into a $3 certification and turned it into a $3 certification and turned it into a $3 million a year mechanical contracting million a year mechanical contracting million a year mechanical contracting business with three vans and half a business with three vans and half a business with three vans and half a dozen buddies who work in HVAC and dozen buddies who work in HVAC and dozen buddies who work in HVAC and plumbing I'm looking for that guy you plumbing I'm looking for that guy you plumbing I'm looking for that guy you know because his story is not anecdotal know because his story is not anecdotal know because his story is not anecdotal his is real and if I can get his story his is real and if I can get his story his is real and if I can get his story in front of more kids like your brother in front of more kids like your brother in front of more kids like your brother who are coming into the workforce that who are coming into the workforce that who are coming into the workforce that moves the needle in a big way that's moves the needle in a big way that's moves the needle in a big way that's another reason I went to CPAC you know another reason I went to CPAC you know another reason I went to CPAC you know I'm not trying to I'm I'm not trying to I'm not trying to I'm I'm not trying to I'm not trying to I'm I'm not trying to turn microworks into some sort of dog turn microworks into some sort of dog turn microworks into some sort of dog thing but I'll take the to help wherever thing but I'll take the to help wherever thing but I'll take the to help wherever I can get it I I have 10 times the I can get it I I have 10 times the I can get it I I have 10 times the applicants for scholarships this morning applicants for scholarships this morning applicants for scholarships this morning as I did one year ago today 10 times so as I did one year ago today 10 times so as I did one year ago today 10 times so I know I'm kind of freelancing here but I know I'm kind of freelancing here but I know I'm kind of freelancing here but to get back to your question what would to get back to your question what would to get back to your question what would I do if I were on the macro side of I do if I were on the macro side of I do if I were on the macro side of things just for advising yeah yeah um if things just for advising yeah yeah um if things just for advising yeah yeah um if I were on some advisory Council I would I were on some advisory Council I would I were on some advisory Council I would say look linguistically we must abandon say look linguistically we must abandon say look linguistically we must abandon words like all and everyone and never

words like all and everyone and never words like all and everyone and never they don't apply you've I get you have they don't apply you've I get you have they don't apply you've I get you have to talk to the masses but you can't say to talk to the masses but you can't say to talk to the masses but you can't say the best path for the most people is the the best path for the most people is the the best path for the most people is the most expensive path you can't do that most expensive path you can't do that most expensive path you can't do that and then scratch your head and wonder and then scratch your head and wonder and then scratch your head and wonder why it's 94 Grand a year at Duke now how why it's 94 Grand a year at Duke now how why it's 94 Grand a year at Duke now how could College get so expensive they say could College get so expensive they say could College get so expensive they say to me well how could it not dude you to me well how could it not dude you to me well how could it not dude you told a whole generation that they were told a whole generation that they were told a whole generation that they were screwed if they didn't get your piece of screwed if they didn't get your piece of screwed if they didn't get your piece of paper and then you took shop class out paper and then you took shop class out paper and then you took shop class out of high school and then you turned the of high school and then you turned the of high school and then you turned the working class into a punchline in working class into a punchline in working class into a punchline in virtually every social way that you can virtually every social way that you can virtually every social way that you can and of course of course College got and of course of course College got and of course of course College got expensive of course it did what you need expensive of course it did what you need expensive of course it did what you need to do Mr elected official is embrace the to do Mr elected official is embrace the to do Mr elected official is embrace the math if you don't like my politics or if math if you don't like my politics or if math if you don't like my politics or if you don't like my phraseology or my you don't like my phraseology or my you don't like my phraseology or my examples or if you don't believe that examples or if you don't believe that examples or if you don't believe that stigmas and stereotypes are keeping kids stigmas and stereotypes are keeping kids stigmas and stereotypes are keeping kids out of the trades then just look at the out of the trades then just look at the out of the trades then just look at the math five retire and two come in it's math five retire and two come in it's math five retire and two come in it's been that way in the trades for over a been that way in the trades for over a been that way in the trades for over a decade for every five who leave to come decade for every five who leave to come decade for every five who leave to come in this as Lincoln said referring to in this as Lincoln said referring to in this as Lincoln said referring to something else entirely is some really something else entirely is some really something else entirely is some really terrible terrible terrible arithmetic right it's terrible math and arithmetic right it's terrible math and arithmetic right it's terrible math and one thing math is last I checked and one thing math is last I checked and one thing math is last I checked and always will be well I won't say always always will be well I won't say always always will be well I won't say always at the risk at the risk at the risk of being a violating your own rule

of being a violating your own rule of being a violating your own rule violating my own victim but math doesn't violating my own victim but math doesn't violating my own victim but math doesn't care how you vote math doesn't care what care how you vote math doesn't care what care how you vote math doesn't care what you think five leave two come in that you think five leave two come in that you think five leave two come in that should be enough to scare the B Jesus should be enough to scare the B Jesus should be enough to scare the B Jesus out of any elected official who has even out of any elected official who has even out of any elected official who has even a passing interest in keeping smooth a passing interest in keeping smooth a passing interest in keeping smooth roads indoor plumbing and affordable roads indoor plumbing and affordable roads indoor plumbing and affordable electricity somewhere near the top of electricity somewhere near the top of electricity somewhere near the top of the food chain the math is what you've the food chain the math is what you've the food chain the math is what you've got worry about guys we're not suffering got worry about guys we're not suffering got worry about guys we're not suffering in this country right now from a lack of in this country right now from a lack of in this country right now from a lack of people with four-year degrees we're people with four-year degrees we're people with four-year degrees we're suffering from a lack of people who suffering from a lack of people who suffering from a lack of people who enthusiastically want to pursue the 7.6 enthusiastically want to pursue the 7.6 enthusiastically want to pursue the 7.6 million jobs that are currently open million jobs that are currently open million jobs that are currently open Marco Rubio okay you'll love this this Marco Rubio okay you'll love this this Marco Rubio okay you'll love this this really answers your question I think really answers your question I think really answers your question I think better than anything else I can tell you better than anything else I can tell you better than anything else I can tell you I watched the debates back in I watched the debates back in I watched the debates back in 2016 I looked at 17 Republicans on stage 2016 I looked at 17 Republicans on stage 2016 I looked at 17 Republicans on stage and listened as R prus talked about the and listened as R prus talked about the and listened as R prus talked about the most extraordinary assemblage of of most extraordinary assemblage of of most extraordinary assemblage of of options right so funny you know we've options right so funny you know we've options right so funny you know we've got this one we got him we got her got this one we got him we got her got this one we got him we got her anybody but the guy in the middle anybody but the guy in the middle anybody but the guy in the middle ironically but whatever there they are ironically but whatever there they are ironically but whatever there they are and they have their debate and Marco and they have their debate and Marco and they have their debate and Marco Rubio steps up at one point and he has a Rubio steps up at one point and he has a Rubio steps up at one point and he has a great line gets a ton of Applause we're great line gets a ton of Applause we're great line gets a ton of Applause we're talking about this basic topic and maros talking about this basic topic and maros talking about this basic topic and maros says what the country needs right we

says what the country needs right we says what the country needs right we don't we don't need more philosophy don't we don't need more philosophy don't we don't need more philosophy Majors we need more welders Crowd Goes Majors we need more welders Crowd Goes Majors we need more welders Crowd Goes Wild hour or so later I go over to the Wild hour or so later I go over to the Wild hour or so later I go over to the interwebs I check my socials I have interwebs I check my socials I have interwebs I check my socials I have thousands of people saying hey man this thousands of people saying hey man this thousands of people saying hey man this guy's singing your song isn't he and I guy's singing your song isn't he and I guy's singing your song isn't he and I said oh crap no no no that's not the said oh crap no no no that's not the said oh crap no no no that's not the song that's not the song We Don't song that's not the song We Don't song that's not the song We Don't we don't we don't we don't need that it's need that it's need that it's like what we need are more philosophers like what we need are more philosophers like what we need are more philosophers who can run an even bead and we need who can run an even bead and we need who can run an even bead and we need more welders who can have an intelligent more welders who can have an intelligent more welders who can have an intelligent conversation about nii and day cart conversation about nii and day cart conversation about nii and day cart right and K we need we need people who right and K we need we need people who right and K we need we need people who are intellectually curious but still are intellectually curious but still are intellectually curious but still able to build the school where we send able to build the school where we send able to build the school where we send the Eggheads right that's what I meant the Eggheads right that's what I meant the Eggheads right that's what I meant too about about the the Howard roor and too about about the the Howard roor and too about about the the Howard roor and the and the whole Randy and take it's the and the whole Randy and take it's the and the whole Randy and take it's it's it's the muddy boots architect it's it's it's the muddy boots architect it's it's it's the muddy boots architect it's the guy it's the well-balanced worker the guy it's the well-balanced worker the guy it's the well-balanced worker who is still curious enough to who is still curious enough to who is still curious enough to understand that 90% of all the known understand that 90% of all the known understand that 90% of all the known information in the world is right there information in the world is right there information in the world is right there if you have an iPhone an internet if you have an iPhone an internet if you have an iPhone an internet connection you have a liberal arts connection you have a liberal arts connection you have a liberal arts degree right in your pocket if you give degree right in your pocket if you give degree right in your pocket if you give a damn and if you're curious enough I a damn and if you're curious enough I a damn and if you're curious enough I just watched the lecture at MIT for free just watched the lecture at MIT for free just watched the lecture at MIT for free for free on my iPhone for God's sake so for free on my iPhone for God's sake so for free on my iPhone for God's sake so I say this all the time to the people I say this all the time to the people I say this all the time to the people who who apply to our work ethics

who who apply to our work ethics who who apply to our work ethics scholarship program it's like liberal scholarship program it's like liberal scholarship program it's like liberal arts is not your enemy man it's actually arts is not your enemy man it's actually arts is not your enemy man it's actually your friend I just can't recommend you your friend I just can't recommend you your friend I just can't recommend you spend 200 Grand to go get a piece of spend 200 Grand to go get a piece of spend 200 Grand to go get a piece of paper that proves the point there's so paper that proves the point there's so paper that proves the point there's so many ways you can enrich your life even many ways you can enrich your life even many ways you can enrich your life even as you master a skill that's in demand as you master a skill that's in demand as you master a skill that's in demand so look so look so look I what I mean to say and I'm I'm I'm I what I mean to say and I'm I'm I'm I what I mean to say and I'm I'm I'm probably guilty of the same sin you know probably guilty of the same sin you know probably guilty of the same sin you know I maybe I over promote the muscular I maybe I over promote the muscular I maybe I over promote the muscular trades trades trades because the four-year college for all because the four-year college for all because the four-year college for all thing has been over promoted as well thing has been over promoted as well thing has been over promoted as well maybe maybe that's just the nature of PR maybe maybe that's just the nature of PR maybe maybe that's just the nature of PR you know maybe it always goes too far it you know maybe it always goes too far it you know maybe it always goes too far it certainly did with college you know we certainly did with college you know we certainly did with college you know we weren't content to make the case for a weren't content to make the case for a weren't content to make the case for a four-year uh experience on its merits we four-year uh experience on its merits we four-year uh experience on its merits we had to say and if you don't do that had to say and if you don't do that had to say and if you don't do that you're going to wind up over here you're going to wind up over here you're going to wind up over here turning a wrench laboring in some filthy turning a wrench laboring in some filthy turning a wrench laboring in some filthy pit of despair and so forth that's what pit of despair and so forth that's what pit of despair and so forth that's what PR does Dan it always goes too far in PR does Dan it always goes too far in PR does Dan it always goes too far in our attempt to our attempt to our attempt to persuade we usually step out of our lane persuade we usually step out of our lane persuade we usually step out of our lane and say some fool headed thing and I you and say some fool headed thing and I you and say some fool headed thing and I you know I hope I didn't do that I hope I know I hope I didn't do that I hope I know I hope I didn't do that I hope I don't do that but I'm just played to don't do that but I'm just played to don't do that but I'm just played to answer your question by the math we're answer your question by the math we're answer your question by the math we're not suffering not suffering not suffering from that right now we're suffering in from that right now we're suffering in from that right now we're suffering in the same way the maritime industrial the same way the maritime industrial the same way the maritime industrial base is articulated we've got a real

base is articulated we've got a real base is articulated we've got a real skill Gap compounded by a will Gap and skill Gap compounded by a will Gap and skill Gap compounded by a will Gap and it applies to a very specific set of it applies to a very specific set of it applies to a very specific set of jobs and uh those things I I'll probably jobs and uh those things I I'll probably jobs and uh those things I I'll probably oversell it and that no but it makes it oversell it and that no but it makes it oversell it and that no but it makes it makes sense it's a you're B you're makes sense it's a you're B you're makes sense it's a you're B you're trying to balance out what you see is an trying to balance out what you see is an trying to balance out what you see is an unbalanced situation but let me point unbalanced situation but let me point unbalanced situation but let me point out something and this is my brand so out something and this is my brand so out something and this is my brand so and and then I should let you just say and and then I should let you just say and and then I should let you just say whatever you want to say before I let whatever you want to say before I let whatever you want to say before I let you go cuz I've kept you here for two you go cuz I've kept you here for two you go cuz I've kept you here for two damn hours but but but here's the way damn hours but but but here's the way damn hours but but but here's the way there's a corruption element involved in there's a corruption element involved in there's a corruption element involved in all this too uh this is how I always try all this too uh this is how I always try all this too uh this is how I always try to I I put on the lenses and I try to to I I put on the lenses and I try to to I I put on the lenses and I try to imagine the impact that money is having imagine the impact that money is having imagine the impact that money is having in all this um Working Class People in all this um Working Class People in all this um Working Class People aren't represented very well by our aren't represented very well by our aren't represented very well by our politicians because they are not the politicians because they are not the politicians because they are not the ones who give the bulk of the money if ones who give the bulk of the money if ones who give the bulk of the money if you depended upon them for the bulk of you depended upon them for the bulk of you depended upon them for the bulk of your money it would change your money it would change your money it would change what we're hearing and and again when we what we're hearing and and again when we what we're hearing and and again when we say something like college for everybody say something like college for everybody say something like college for everybody that's like don't tax tips it's easy to that's like don't tax tips it's easy to that's like don't tax tips it's easy to understand it I mean you don't have to understand it I mean you don't have to understand it I mean you don't have to think about it long to just go yeah more think about it long to just go yeah more think about it long to just go yeah more more opportunity more the it's it's more opportunity more the it's it's more opportunity more the it's it's always when you get down to ground level always when you get down to ground level always when you get down to ground level and the devils in the details and you and the devils in the details and you and the devils in the details and you mentioned the key point when we have a mentioned the key point when we have a mentioned the key point when we have a onesize fits all approach to a bunch of onesize fits all approach to a bunch of onesize fits all approach to a bunch of individuals that we going to run into individuals that we going to run into individuals that we going to run into trouble simply that's not quite math but trouble simply that's not quite math but trouble simply that's not quite math but that's just realism right when you've that's just realism right when you've that's just realism right when you've got me in one one area who can't use a got me in one one area who can't use a got me in one one area who can't use a hammer properly and my brother in the hammer properly and my brother in the hammer properly and my brother in the same pool who's who who's going to laugh same pool who's who who's going to laugh same pool who's who who's going to laugh at my abilities to not use a hammer I

at my abilities to not use a hammer I at my abilities to not use a hammer I mean we need different choices and mean we need different choices and mean we need different choices and either either the choice from the old either either the choice from the old either either the choice from the old days which says uh you're the wrong days which says uh you're the wrong days which says uh you're the wrong class of person with the wrong amount of class of person with the wrong amount of class of person with the wrong amount of blue blood in your system so you're blue blood in your system so you're blue blood in your system so you're going to use a hammer or the functional going to use a hammer or the functional going to use a hammer or the functional equivalent no matter what versus the equivalent no matter what versus the equivalent no matter what versus the other idea which is that hey we all need other idea which is that hey we all need other idea which is that hey we all need to go to college and be philosoph ERS uh to go to college and be philosoph ERS uh to go to college and be philosoph ERS uh neither one of those seem right to me neither one of those seem right to me neither one of those seem right to me and and listen man I've kept you a long and and listen man I've kept you a long and and listen man I've kept you a long time we haven't talked about we talked time we haven't talked about we talked time we haven't talked about we talked about micro Works uh we've talked about about micro Works uh we've talked about about micro Works uh we've talked about some of the other things but I don't some of the other things but I don't some of the other things but I don't want to let you go without letting you want to let you go without letting you want to let you go without letting you say anything you want to say now I mean say anything you want to say now I mean say anything you want to say now I mean what didn't I ask you about what didn't I ask you about what didn't I ask you about man look man man look man man look man I maybe I don't know your audience that I maybe I don't know your audience that I maybe I don't know your audience that well all I know is that I'm a part of well all I know is that I'm a part of well all I know is that I'm a part of join the club well look I think I think join the club well look I think I think join the club well look I think I think everything we've talked about is everything we've talked about is everything we've talked about is relatable in some way I think think I relatable in some way I think think I relatable in some way I think think I think the things that are on most think the things that are on most think the things that are on most everyone's mind in in some way shape or everyone's mind in in some way shape or everyone's mind in in some way shape or form in some relative to some relative form in some relative to some relative form in some relative to some relative degree or exactly what we've been degree or exactly what we've been degree or exactly what we've been talking about everyone is struggling to talking about everyone is struggling to talking about everyone is struggling to figure out kind of what's going on but figure out kind of what's going on but figure out kind of what's going on but maybe even how they fit into whatever maybe even how they fit into whatever maybe even how they fit into whatever the New Order is who they are are they the New Order is who they are are they the New Order is who they are are they an audience member or an influencer are an audience member or an influencer are an audience member or an influencer are you Blue Collar are you white collar uh you Blue Collar are you white collar uh you Blue Collar are you white collar uh yeah Everything feels fr yeah Everything feels fr yeah Everything feels fr and everything feels binary and a lot of and everything feels binary and a lot of and everything feels binary and a lot of things certainly do feel um like we're things certainly do feel um like we're things certainly do feel um like we're we're the paint in the can that's being

we're the paint in the can that's being we're the paint in the can that's being spread around with too broad a brush so spread around with too broad a brush so spread around with too broad a brush so many assumptions are being made about so many assumptions are being made about so many assumptions are being made about so many of us look maybe I shouldn't have many of us look maybe I shouldn't have many of us look maybe I shouldn't have gone a CPAC gone a CPAC gone a CPAC maybe maybe it's a mistake for me to maybe maybe it's a mistake for me to maybe maybe it's a mistake for me to think that micro works could ever be think that micro works could ever be think that micro works could ever be macro Works um maybe I should just stay macro Works um maybe I should just stay macro Works um maybe I should just stay in my own and count my blessings I have in my own and count my blessings I have in my own and count my blessings I have many but you know a year ago we gave many but you know a year ago we gave many but you know a year ago we gave away a million dollars this month this away a million dollars this month this away a million dollars this month this month a year later we're giving away two month a year later we're giving away two month a year later we're giving away two and a half and like I said we have 10 and a half and like I said we have 10 and a half and like I said we have 10 times the times the times the applicants I I talk to captains of applicants I I talk to captains of applicants I I talk to captains of industry and billionaires all of the industry and billionaires all of the industry and billionaires all of the time and I've never really asked them time and I've never really asked them time and I've never really asked them for anything and I think maybe I'm going for anything and I think maybe I'm going for anything and I think maybe I'm going to change my mind I think now I'm going to change my mind I think now I'm going to change my mind I think now I'm going to say look I'm certainly not going to to say look I'm certainly not going to to say look I'm certainly not going to ask the taxpayers for any money but why ask the taxpayers for any money but why ask the taxpayers for any money but why don't you give me a pile of D and why don't you give me a pile of D and why don't you give me a pile of D and why don't you let me do more of what we're don't you let me do more of what we're don't you let me do more of what we're doing already and why don't we get doing already and why don't we get doing already and why don't we get behind some kind of national effort to behind some kind of national effort to behind some kind of national effort to reinvigorate the trades and remind reinvigorate the trades and remind reinvigorate the trades and remind people that it's still really possible people that it's still really possible people that it's still really possible to prosper as the result of learning a to prosper as the result of learning a to prosper as the result of learning a skill that's in demand and going to work skill that's in demand and going to work skill that's in demand and going to work I've said a lot of bad things about PR I've said a lot of bad things about PR I've said a lot of bad things about PR authenticity um Authority authenticity um Authority authenticity um Authority but look one one thing is for but look one one thing is for but look one one thing is for sure PR does matter it gets people sure PR does matter it gets people sure PR does matter it gets people elected it sells soap but it also elected it sells soap but it also elected it sells soap but it also shapes our Collective relationship with

shapes our Collective relationship with shapes our Collective relationship with lots of big things you're old enough to lots of big things you're old enough to lots of big things you're old enough to remember keep America beautiful you're remember keep America beautiful you're remember keep America beautiful you're old enough to remember ironized Cody old enough to remember ironized Cody old enough to remember ironized Cody ironized Cody crying at the litter ironized Cody crying at the litter ironized Cody crying at the litter weeping like a baby and I remember weeping like a baby and I remember weeping like a baby and I remember crying with him our country in you know crying with him our country in you know crying with him our country in you know the 50s and 60s we had a we had a the 50s and 60s we had a we had a the 50s and 60s we had a we had a dysfunctional relationship never mind dysfunctional relationship never mind dysfunctional relationship never mind green but this was just basic pollution green but this was just basic pollution green but this was just basic pollution and littering totally it I mean there and littering totally it I mean there and littering totally it I mean there was no Stigma Dan attack you like you was no Stigma Dan attack you like you was no Stigma Dan attack you like you saw it in Mad Men they'd go on a picnic saw it in Mad Men they'd go on a picnic saw it in Mad Men they'd go on a picnic and they just leave all their [ __ ] and they just leave all their [ __ ] and they just leave all their [ __ ] behind nobody cared nobody cared it was behind nobody cared nobody cared it was behind nobody cared nobody cared it was like there's no Stigma to throw it out like there's no Stigma to throw it out like there's no Stigma to throw it out the window how do you change how do you the window how do you change how do you the window how do you change how do you create a stigma how do you Influence create a stigma how do you Influence create a stigma how do you Influence People a positive stigma right a People a positive stigma right a People a positive stigma right a positive stigma what's persuasive so you positive stigma what's persuasive so you positive stigma what's persuasive so you got woodsy the owl you got Smoky the got woodsy the owl you got Smoky the got woodsy the owl you got Smoky the Bear you got all this iconography you Bear you got all this iconography you Bear you got all this iconography you got a weeping Indian who's actually an got a weeping Indian who's actually an got a weeping Indian who's actually an Italian actor but whatever people bought Italian actor but whatever people bought Italian actor but whatever people bought it you know and it took 10 years but by it you know and it took 10 years but by it you know and it took 10 years but by every measurable metric the campaign to every measurable metric the campaign to every measurable metric the campaign to keep America beautiful affirmatively keep America beautiful affirmatively keep America beautiful affirmatively changed the behavior of millions of changed the behavior of millions of changed the behavior of millions of people and that campaign was a function people and that campaign was a function people and that campaign was a function of some NOS some government money some of some NOS some government money some of some NOS some government money some concerned citizens and some big concerned citizens and some big concerned citizens and some big corporations like cocacola who threw a corporations like cocacola who threw a corporations like cocacola who threw a bunch of money behind it and wound up bunch of money behind it and wound up bunch of money behind it and wound up with a lot of media the national Ad with a lot of media the national Ad with a lot of media the national Ad Council was responsible for that it Council was responsible for that it Council was responsible for that it worked what do we need today we need

worked what do we need today we need worked what do we need today we need some kind of messaging that breaks the some kind of messaging that breaks the some kind of messaging that breaks the spell of college for all we need to spell of college for all we need to spell of college for all we need to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that you can make six figures working with you can make six figures working with you can make six figures working with your hands and live a happy and balanced your hands and live a happy and balanced your hands and live a happy and balanced life we need to elevate and celebrate life we need to elevate and celebrate life we need to elevate and celebrate the people who have done that that's the people who have done that that's the people who have done that that's what microworks has tried to do for the what microworks has tried to do for the what microworks has tried to do for the last 16 years and I believe we're last 16 years and I believe we're last 16 years and I believe we're rounding a corner I think that there is rounding a corner I think that there is rounding a corner I think that there is an opportunity to go out with a national an opportunity to go out with a national an opportunity to go out with a national message that tells the stories of message that tells the stories of message that tells the stories of regular people who have crushed it as a regular people who have crushed it as a regular people who have crushed it as a result of taking the path I result of taking the path I result of taking the path I espouse um now I don't know if it's on espouse um now I don't know if it's on espouse um now I don't know if it's on the same scale is keep America beautiful the same scale is keep America beautiful the same scale is keep America beautiful I I don't know if the feds pay a a role I I don't know if the feds pay a a role I I don't know if the feds pay a a role in it I do know that I've worked with in it I do know that I've worked with in it I do know that I've worked with half a dozen Governors I do know the half a dozen Governors I do know the half a dozen Governors I do know the success rates for this in South Dakota success rates for this in South Dakota success rates for this in South Dakota are off the charts Kelly iot I think is are off the charts Kelly iot I think is are off the charts Kelly iot I think is going to do something in New Hampshire going to do something in New Hampshire going to do something in New Hampshire uh we're talking in Nevada you know you uh we're talking in Nevada you know you uh we're talking in Nevada you know you get a philanthropist to throw up a bunch get a philanthropist to throw up a bunch get a philanthropist to throw up a bunch of money the governor matches it then we of money the governor matches it then we of money the governor matches it then we come in to tell the stories and you've come in to tell the stories and you've come in to tell the stories and you've got a scholarship fund earmark got a scholarship fund earmark got a scholarship fund earmark for kids who want to learn a skill or for kids who want to learn a skill or for kids who want to learn a skill or Master a trade I've seen it work I think Master a trade I've seen it work I think Master a trade I've seen it work I think something has to happen and I can't for something has to happen and I can't for something has to happen and I can't for the life of me decide if it's if it's the life of me decide if it's if it's the life of me decide if it's if it's beyond my pay grade or not but I'm I'm beyond my pay grade or not but I'm I'm beyond my pay grade or not but I'm I'm game to find out it's why I mentioned to

game to find out it's why I mentioned to game to find out it's why I mentioned to you Offline that crazy conversation with you Offline that crazy conversation with you Offline that crazy conversation with Bobby Kennedy a year ago Y and look I I Bobby Kennedy a year ago Y and look I I Bobby Kennedy a year ago Y and look I I this is not my bag man I'm not a this is not my bag man I'm not a this is not my bag man I'm not a political animal I was I was deeply political animal I was I was deeply political animal I was I was deeply flattered and freaked out when he asked flattered and freaked out when he asked flattered and freaked out when he asked if I wanted to run with him yeah you if I wanted to run with him yeah you if I wanted to run with him yeah you didn't say that though you haven't said didn't say that though you haven't said didn't say that though you haven't said that told that story to the audience you that told that story to the audience you that told that story to the audience you just told it to me oh all right well just told it to me oh all right well just told it to me oh all right well yeah Bobby Kennedy asked if I wanted to yeah Bobby Kennedy asked if I wanted to yeah Bobby Kennedy asked if I wanted to be his vice president um about a year be his vice president um about a year be his vice president um about a year ago uh and obviously the answer is no ago uh and obviously the answer is no ago uh and obviously the answer is no but but but I I couldn't say it I I just I couldn't I I couldn't say it I I just I couldn't I I couldn't say it I I just I couldn't dismiss such an outrageous offer out of dismiss such an outrageous offer out of dismiss such an outrageous offer out of hand in fact I looked over my shoulder hand in fact I looked over my shoulder hand in fact I looked over my shoulder Dan expecting to find you know a camera Dan expecting to find you know a camera Dan expecting to find you know a camera crew punking me you know like really crew punking me you know like really crew punking me you know like really Bobby seriously I'd never talked to him Bobby seriously I'd never talked to him Bobby seriously I'd never talked to him before I didn't know him um I went to before I didn't know him um I went to before I didn't know him um I went to his home I met his team we talked for his home I met his team we talked for his home I met his team we talked for three or 4 hours he was the one who said three or 4 hours he was the one who said three or 4 hours he was the one who said look I know we disagree on a long list look I know we disagree on a long list look I know we disagree on a long list of things I know that I've actually sued of things I know that I've actually sued of things I know that I've actually sued some of the people who support your some of the people who support your some of the people who support your foundation on the environmental side I foundation on the environmental side I foundation on the environmental side I know that but the stakes are awfully know that but the stakes are awfully know that but the stakes are awfully High you know I think we're on the same High you know I think we're on the same High you know I think we're on the same page with chronic disease and forever page with chronic disease and forever page with chronic disease and forever Wars whatever that means and I know Wars whatever that means and I know Wars whatever that means and I know we're on the same page with the middle we're on the same page with the middle we're on the same page with the middle class and with reinvigorating the trades class and with reinvigorating the trades class and with reinvigorating the trades so run with me microworks will become so run with me microworks will become so run with me microworks will become macro works we will close the skills Gap macro works we will close the skills Gap macro works we will close the skills Gap what do you what do you what do you say that was

say that was say that was intoxicating that's quite a intoxicating that's quite a intoxicating that's quite a compliment I I was so uh yeah yeah it compliment I I was so uh yeah yeah it compliment I I was so uh yeah yeah it really was and it still is and you know really was and it still is and you know really was and it still is and you know I'm still in touch with him I don't I I'm still in touch with him I don't I I'm still in touch with him I don't I don't know how to behave or how to think don't know how to behave or how to think don't know how to behave or how to think really or or function in that world but really or or function in that world but really or or function in that world but I'm taking meetings now that I would I'm taking meetings now that I would I'm taking meetings now that I would have politely declined out of hand years have politely declined out of hand years have politely declined out of hand years ago and it's not because I have any skin ago and it's not because I have any skin ago and it's not because I have any skin in the political game I would just refer in the political game I would just refer in the political game I would just refer you back to the first genuine letter I you back to the first genuine letter I you back to the first genuine letter I posted to Barack Obama nothing has posted to Barack Obama nothing has posted to Barack Obama nothing has changed I want our country to be changed I want our country to be changed I want our country to be enthused by all opportunities equally enthused by all opportunities equally enthused by all opportunities equally and I want our country to to make the and I want our country to to make the and I want our country to to make the things we rely upon and I want us to be things we rely upon and I want us to be things we rely upon and I want us to be less dependent I don't want us to be less dependent I don't want us to be less dependent I don't want us to be isolationist but isolationist but isolationist but isolationist by any stretch but I but I isolationist by any stretch but I but I isolationist by any stretch but I but I want us to be Reliant want us to be Reliant want us to be Reliant self-reliant to whatever extent we can self-reliant to whatever extent we can self-reliant to whatever extent we can and that means that doesn't mean being and that means that doesn't mean being and that means that doesn't mean being okay with 72. million able-bodied men okay with 72. million able-bodied men okay with 72. million able-bodied men choosing not to work that's busted too I choosing not to work that's busted too I choosing not to work that's busted too I don't know how to fix it but that that's don't know how to fix it but that that's don't know how to fix it but that that's a thing and it's right in front of us a thing and it's right in front of us a thing and it's right in front of us and I think we ignore that at our Peril and I think we ignore that at our Peril and I think we ignore that at our Peril let me bring up a side thing that you let me bring up a side thing that you let me bring up a side thing that you keep alluding to but you've not openly keep alluding to but you've not openly keep alluding to but you've not openly said it but if it works out the way said it but if it works out the way said it but if it works out the way you're hoping it's another angle on what you're hoping it's another angle on what you're hoping it's another angle on what you're talking about that I think plays

you're talking about that I think plays you're talking about that I think plays very well with what you're pushing very well with what you're pushing very well with what you're pushing forward and that is this idea that if forward and that is this idea that if forward and that is this idea that if you're able to reinvigorate the trades you're able to reinvigorate the trades you're able to reinvigorate the trades through education skill education all through education skill education all through education skill education all those things we've been talking about um those things we've been talking about um those things we've been talking about um you may end up lowering the cost for you may end up lowering the cost for you may end up lowering the cost for college so in other words by helping the college so in other words by helping the college so in other words by helping the people that maybe would rather not go to people that maybe would rather not go to people that maybe would rather not go to college and be happier if they get to college and be happier if they get to college and be happier if they get to work in a way that they're they're work in a way that they're they're work in a way that they're they're pleased with you might be making College pleased with you might be making College pleased with you might be making College in other words you might be satisfying in other words you might be satisfying in other words you might be satisfying that desire that those Democratic that desire that those Democratic that desire that those Democratic politicians by simply eliminating the politicians by simply eliminating the politicians by simply eliminating the cost or trying to they're trying to do cost or trying to they're trying to do cost or trying to they're trying to do the same thing one's just doing it the same thing one's just doing it the same thing one's just doing it artificially and mandating it the other artificially and mandating it the other artificially and mandating it the other is is in creating the supply and demand is is in creating the supply and demand is is in creating the supply and demand aspect cuz I just want to point out for aspect cuz I just want to point out for aspect cuz I just want to point out for those who don't know you can go to those who don't know you can go to those who don't know you can go to Europe not to say that Europe is any Europe not to say that Europe is any Europe not to say that Europe is any better than here education at the better than here education at the better than here education at the highest levels is so much less expensive highest levels is so much less expensive highest levels is so much less expensive you can go to some of the greatest you can go to some of the greatest you can go to some of the greatest universities in Europe for what you pay universities in Europe for what you pay universities in Europe for what you pay for the state school near you and and for the state school near you and and for the state school near you and and that's wrong but there are lots of that's wrong but there are lots of that's wrong but there are lots of societal reasons why it's gone the way societal reasons why it's gone the way societal reasons why it's gone the way it's gone it would be nice to see it's gone it would be nice to see it's gone it would be nice to see College costs come down as part of our College costs come down as part of our College costs come down as part of our efforts to help those who maybe would efforts to help those who maybe would efforts to help those who maybe would rather do something besides go to rather do something besides go to rather do something besides go to college anyway um that would be a college anyway um that would be a college anyway um that would be a wonderful little um uh elegant sidebar wonderful little um uh elegant sidebar wonderful little um uh elegant sidebar to an idea that you're pushing and thank to an idea that you're pushing and thank to an idea that you're pushing and thank you for saying it because col I am no you for saying it because col I am no you for saying it because col I am no enemy of college I am no enemy of a

enemy of college I am no enemy of a enemy of college I am no enemy of a four-year degree my liberal arts four-year degree my liberal arts four-year degree my liberal arts education served me very well ditto but education served me very well ditto but education served me very well ditto but then it was 1984 it was two years at a then it was 1984 it was two years at a then it was 1984 it was two years at a community colle in 2 and A2 years in a community colle in 2 and A2 years in a community colle in 2 and A2 years in a university and the total bill was university and the total bill was university and the total bill was $122,400 a man can live with that yeah $122,400 a man can live with that yeah $122,400 a man can live with that yeah today same exact course load same exact today same exact course load same exact today same exact course load same exact schools 94 Grand nothing in the history schools 94 Grand nothing in the history schools 94 Grand nothing in the history of Western Civilization not energy not of Western Civilization not energy not of Western Civilization not energy not Health Care not real estate not food Health Care not real estate not food Health Care not real estate not food nothing has ever become so exponentially nothing has ever become so exponentially nothing has ever become so exponentially more expensive over such a period of more expensive over such a period of more expensive over such a period of time as a 4-year degree so look the time as a 4-year degree so look the time as a 4-year degree so look the value of a thing and the cost of a thing value of a thing and the cost of a thing value of a thing and the cost of a thing you can't talk about one without the you can't talk about one without the you can't talk about one without the they're related yes of course so I they're related yes of course so I they're related yes of course so I completely agree with you how are we completely agree with you how are we completely agree with you how are we going to get the cost of college down going to get the cost of college down going to get the cost of college down unfortunately you know it's well look unfortunately you know it's well look unfortunately you know it's well look they're making it easier than they've they're making it easier than they've they're making it easier than they've ever made it got a lot of online courses ever made it got a lot of online courses ever made it got a lot of online courses all that kind of stuff well and and and all that kind of stuff well and and and all that kind of stuff well and and and also I mean I'm not sure it's current also I mean I'm not sure it's current also I mean I'm not sure it's current events anymore but you know that that events anymore but you know that that events anymore but you know that that whole plagiarism thing that's a bad look whole plagiarism thing that's a bad look whole plagiarism thing that's a bad look those protests Claudine gay upen Liz those protests Claudine gay upen Liz those protests Claudine gay upen Liz Mill that's a bad look you know a lot of Mill that's a bad look you know a lot of Mill that's a bad look you know a lot of parents looked at that and kind of parents looked at that and kind of parents looked at that and kind of cringed you know $ 52 billion in cringed you know $ 52 billion in cringed you know $ 52 billion in endowments and endowments and endowments and 1.7% tax on it and all the screaming

1.7% tax on it and all the screaming 1.7% tax on it and all the screaming against raising the tax on the endowment against raising the tax on the endowment against raising the tax on the endowment that's a bad look um higher ed that's a bad look um higher ed that's a bad look um higher ed is talk about bad PR they they've made is talk about bad PR they they've made is talk about bad PR they they've made my job why do I have 10 times the my job why do I have 10 times the my job why do I have 10 times the applicants that I did a year ago I think applicants that I did a year ago I think applicants that I did a year ago I think in part because a lot of parents are in part because a lot of parents are in part because a lot of parents are looking around and a lot of kids too and looking around and a lot of kids too and looking around and a lot of kids too and saying yep that's just too expensive oh saying yep that's just too expensive oh saying yep that's just too expensive oh and by the way I don't like what they're and by the way I don't like what they're and by the way I don't like what they're saying over there I just I'm just not saying over there I just I'm just not saying over there I just I'm just not really comfortable with what's happening really comfortable with what's happening really comfortable with what's happening in our greatest institutions so for a in our greatest institutions so for a in our greatest institutions so for a lot of reasons you know they've I think lot of reasons you know they've I think lot of reasons you know they've I think I think they've made some unforced I think they've made some unforced I think they've made some unforced errors and I think they're suffering errors and I think they're suffering errors and I think they're suffering from some self-inflicted wounds um we from some self-inflicted wounds um we from some self-inflicted wounds um we haven't changed I I I'm not saying haven't changed I I I'm not saying haven't changed I I I'm not saying anything different today than I did 16 anything different today than I did 16 anything different today than I did 16 years ago we have to make a more years ago we have to make a more years ago we have to make a more persuasive case for these opportunities persuasive case for these opportunities persuasive case for these opportunities and you know I I would have been happy and you know I I would have been happy and you know I I would have been happy to work with President Obama and I would to work with President Obama and I would to work with President Obama and I would work with President Trump and I I I work with President Trump and I I I work with President Trump and I I I don't know to what degree or how closely don't know to what degree or how closely don't know to what degree or how closely or how badly I'll get burned I really or how badly I'll get burned I really or how badly I'll get burned I really don't but I've worked with unions and don't but I've worked with unions and don't but I've worked with unions and God knows I've taken it in the neck for God knows I've taken it in the neck for God knows I've taken it in the neck for some past comments on that as well but I some past comments on that as well but I some past comments on that as well but I just I just don't know how I don't know just I just don't know how I don't know just I just don't know how I don't know how else to have the conversation I how else to have the conversation I how else to have the conversation I can't tiptoe around every third rail can't tiptoe around every third rail can't tiptoe around every third rail because I'm afraid of being boycotted as because I'm afraid of being boycotted as because I'm afraid of being boycotted as I was with Walmart oh my God it

I was with Walmart oh my God it I was with Walmart oh my God it happens it happens well we're happens it happens well we're happens it happens well we're complicated people you know I mean complicated people you know I mean complicated people you know I mean that's the thing I think a lot of this that's the thing I think a lot of this that's the thing I think a lot of this forgets and this dovetails into forgets and this dovetails into forgets and this dovetails into everything we've talked about right the everything we've talked about right the everything we've talked about right the the the individual right the the fact the the individual right the the fact the the individual right the the fact that we're to you know and I'll tell that we're to you know and I'll tell that we're to you know and I'll tell this story then I will let you go and I this story then I will let you go and I this story then I will let you go and I apologize for keeping you this long but apologize for keeping you this long but apologize for keeping you this long but but I told you the story when I was on but I told you the story when I was on but I told you the story when I was on the radio and the Martian in the day the radio and the Martian in the day the radio and the Martian in the day part thing and I just had such problems part thing and I just had such problems part thing and I just had such problems with consultants and program directors with consultants and program directors with consultants and program directors who were trying to figure out how to who were trying to figure out how to who were trying to figure out how to Market me and they would say the Market me and they would say the Market me and they would say the audience needs to know where you stand audience needs to know where you stand audience needs to know where you stand on every issue within 5 minutes of on every issue within 5 minutes of on every issue within 5 minutes of tuning in that's an absolute quote word tuning in that's an absolute quote word tuning in that's an absolute quote word for word right and I said that's not a for word right and I said that's not a for word right and I said that's not a human being that's a cartoon character human being that's a cartoon character human being that's a cartoon character and they said yes but that's what we and they said yes but that's what we and they said yes but that's what we need right we we need and and and the need right we we need and and and the need right we we need and and and the point is is that we we've turned into point is is that we we've turned into point is is that we we've turned into this place where if you're wrong on one this place where if you're wrong on one this place where if you're wrong on one thing in your giant repertoire of a thing in your giant repertoire of a thing in your giant repertoire of a hundred things that you're talking hundred things that you're talking hundred things that you're talking about people just throw you away now and about people just throw you away now and about people just throw you away now and this applies to me I'm not talking about this applies to me I'm not talking about this applies to me I'm not talking about you I'm talking about me you're wrong on you I'm talking about me you're wrong on you I'm talking about me you're wrong on one thing and you're out well that's the one thing and you're out well that's the one thing and you're out well that's the binary the way we've gone to a totally binary the way we've gone to a totally binary the way we've gone to a totally binary political Society now where binary political Society now where binary political Society now where you're with us or against us there is no you're with us or against us there is no you're with us or against us there is no nuance there is no gray there is no nuance there is no gray there is no nuance there is no gray there is no compromise and we don't want you trying compromise and we don't want you trying compromise and we don't want you trying to talk to the other side we want you to talk to the other side we want you to talk to the other side we want you planting your flag on our side and planting your flag on our side and planting your flag on our side and saying which side you're on and by the saying which side you're on and by the saying which side you're on and by the way if the story of what we're saying way if the story of what we're saying way if the story of what we're saying changes while you're here we expect you changes while you're here we expect you changes while you're here we expect you to change too I mean that's that that to change too I mean that's that that to change too I mean that's that that level of group think when you're a level of group think when you're a level of group think when you're a martian in the day part doesn't even martian in the day part doesn't even martian in the day part doesn't even make any sense imagine the same thought make any sense imagine the same thought make any sense imagine the same thought process applied to I don't know pick a

process applied to I don't know pick a process applied to I don't know pick a category how about food how about I no category how about food how about I no category how about food how about I no longer eat in restaurants that have longer eat in restaurants that have longer eat in restaurants that have anything on the menu that I don't like I anything on the menu that I don't like I anything on the menu that I don't like I will only dine in a restaurant that I will only dine in a restaurant that I will only dine in a restaurant that I thought you were being serious for a thought you were being serious for a thought you were being serious for a second you confused the hell out of me second you confused the hell out of me second you confused the hell out of me I'm like really no I just say yeah I get I'm like really no I just say yeah I get I'm like really no I just say yeah I get it yeah but imagine I mean like that it yeah but imagine I mean like that it yeah but imagine I mean like that it's the same thought process it's like it's the same thought process it's like it's the same thought process it's like I don't I I can't listen to this I don't I I can't listen to this I don't I I can't listen to this podcaster unless I agree with 100% of podcaster unless I agree with 100% of podcaster unless I agree with 100% of what she says I can't watch this show I what she says I can't watch this show I what she says I can't watch this show I can't read this book I can't eat this can't read this book I can't eat this can't read this book I can't eat this food I can't clear my plate unless I food I can't clear my plate unless I food I can't clear my plate unless I love everything on it I can't go to this love everything on it I can't go to this love everything on it I can't go to this restaurant I can't go to this school restaurant I can't go to this school restaurant I can't go to this school right I mean we have put right I mean we have put right I mean we have put ourselves on the one hand we've lowered ourselves on the one hand we've lowered ourselves on the one hand we've lowered our standards so our standards so our standards so far uh that I I scarcely know how to far uh that I I scarcely know how to far uh that I I scarcely know how to think about it on the other hand we're think about it on the other hand we're think about it on the other hand we're so so so demanding of the the places we go we're demanding of the the places we go we're demanding of the the places we go we're so enamored of glass door and Yelp I so enamored of glass door and Yelp I so enamored of glass door and Yelp I mean mean mean who listening hasn't checked Rotten who listening hasn't checked Rotten who listening hasn't checked Rotten Tomatoes before watching a movie on a Tomatoes before watching a movie on a Tomatoes before watching a movie on a plane or Yelp before going to a plane or Yelp before going to a plane or Yelp before going to a restaurant we're we're so eager I mean restaurant we're we're so eager I mean restaurant we're we're so eager I mean this is probably a good place to land this is probably a good place to land this is probably a good place to land the plane though I'll talk to you all the plane though I'll talk to you all the plane though I'll talk to you all day but I mean it really brings it back day but I mean it really brings it back day but I mean it really brings it back to the audience right it brings it back to the audience right it brings it back to the audience right it brings it back to the audience and it brings it back to to the audience and it brings it back to to the audience and it brings it back to the influencer and it brings it back to the influencer and it brings it back to the influencer and it brings it back to the entrepreneur we're in a world now

the entrepreneur we're in a world now the entrepreneur we're in a world now where we get to be the customer we get where we get to be the customer we get where we get to be the customer we get to sit there we get to be the consumer to sit there we get to be the consumer to sit there we get to be the consumer and then we get to go home and be the and then we get to go home and be the and then we get to go home and be the critic and then we get to be the critic and then we get to be the critic and then we get to be the Observer and sit back and watch the Observer and sit back and watch the Observer and sit back and watch the response to our criticism H who agrees response to our criticism H who agrees response to our criticism H who agrees with me who disagrees with me and what's with me who disagrees with me and what's with me who disagrees with me and what's wrong with them I think I'll mix it up wrong with them I think I'll mix it up wrong with them I think I'll mix it up with this guy and then we'll Jin up the with this guy and then we'll Jin up the with this guy and then we'll Jin up the outrage and then before was the outrage and then before was the outrage and then before was the criticism legit or were you just trying criticism legit or were you just trying criticism legit or were you just trying to get more people to pay attention to get more people to pay attention to get more people to pay attention that's right that's right that's right look uh there's not much new to say look uh there's not much new to say look uh there's not much new to say other than in the immortal words of Walt other than in the immortal words of Walt other than in the immortal words of Walt Disney you must be this tall to get on Disney you must be this tall to get on Disney you must be this tall to get on the ride and you are you are Dan Carlin the ride and you are you are Dan Carlin the ride and you are you are Dan Carlin you're on the ride and you've got an you're on the ride and you've got an you're on the ride and you've got an audience and you've got an enormous audience and you've got an enormous audience and you've got an enormous brain and you've got a big curious mind brain and you've got a big curious mind brain and you've got a big curious mind and you and you have an and you and you have an and you and you have an obligation that you feel whether it's obligation that you feel whether it's obligation that you feel whether it's real or Justified is beside the point real or Justified is beside the point real or Justified is beside the point you I was so touched the other day when you I was so touched the other day when you I was so touched the other day when we spoke on the phone about whether or we spoke on the phone about whether or we spoke on the phone about whether or not to do not to do not to do this I I really I I so relate to the this I I really I I so relate to the this I I really I I so relate to the basic quandry basic quandry basic quandry of you know you don't want to complain of you know you don't want to complain of you know you don't want to complain about the fact that you parachuted into about the fact that you parachuted into about the fact that you parachuted into a Minefield but nor do you wish to blow a Minefield but nor do you wish to blow a Minefield but nor do you wish to blow yourself up during your exit you you you yourself up during your exit you you you yourself up during your exit you you you care so much about the work that you do care so much about the work that you do care so much about the work that you do and you care about the people who listen

and you care about the people who listen and you care about the people who listen to you and that duty of care is to you and that duty of care is to you and that duty of care is wonderful and the fact that you give a wonderful and the fact that you give a wonderful and the fact that you give a damn and the fact that you take the damn and the fact that you take the damn and the fact that you take the criticisms personally that that's a criticisms personally that that's a criticisms personally that that's a consummation devoutly to be wished consummation devoutly to be wished consummation devoutly to be wished that's that's the essence of that's that's the essence of that's that's the essence of responsibility and character if you're responsibility and character if you're responsibility and character if you're going to you know wander into this going to you know wander into this going to you know wander into this myasthma you know uh I just I was so myasthma you know uh I just I was so myasthma you know uh I just I was so glad to hear I was so glad to glad to hear I was so glad to glad to hear I was so glad to commiserate with you around this because commiserate with you around this because commiserate with you around this because this will sound horribly elitist but this will sound horribly elitist but this will sound horribly elitist but it's a short list of people who actually it's a short list of people who actually it's a short list of people who actually really know what I'm talking about I was really know what I'm talking about I was really know what I'm talking about I was just going to say that it's a weird just going to say that it's a weird just going to say that it's a weird thing but not a lot of people not a lot thing but not a lot of people not a lot thing but not a lot of people not a lot of people are in this position and when of people are in this position and when of people are in this position and when you're in it it's it's bewildering and you're in it it's it's bewildering and you're in it it's it's bewildering and so to have somebody where you could just so to have somebody where you could just so to have somebody where you could just go what the hell and have them I mean go what the hell and have them I mean go what the hell and have them I mean you clarified a few things for me you you clarified a few things for me you you clarified a few things for me you helped me out in a way but I mean it is helped me out in a way but I mean it is helped me out in a way but I mean it is and for for the how did we this happens and for for the how did we this happens and for for the how did we this happens every time we talk when I've been on every time we talk when I've been on every time we talk when I've been on your show a few times it just goes on your show a few times it just goes on your show a few times it just goes on forever but I mean this is one of those forever but I mean this is one of those forever but I mean this is one of those things where um I I I I don't know how things where um I I I I don't know how things where um I I I I don't know how to behave in the current situation we're to behave in the current situation we're to behave in the current situation we're in and I realize that that you're not in in and I realize that that you're not in in and I realize that that you're not in my Lane which is a very mindfield of a my Lane which is a very mindfield of a my Lane which is a very mindfield of a lane but but we're all having the same lane but but we're all having the same lane but but we're all having the same problem like what do we say how do we problem like what do we say how do we problem like what do we say how do we say it and most importantly I don't mind say it and most importantly I don't mind say it and most importantly I don't mind getting in trouble for saying things I getting in trouble for saying things I getting in trouble for saying things I want to be effective right I want to I want to be effective right I want to I want to be effective right I want to I want to help and I and like people are want to help and I and like people are want to help and I and like people are saying we need a show from you I'm not saying we need a show from you I'm not saying we need a show from you I'm not against doing a show but I want I want

against doing a show but I want I want against doing a show but I want I want it to be more than just bitching and it to be more than just bitching and it to be more than just bitching and moaning you want it to be a good one you moaning you want it to be a good one you moaning you want it to be a good one you don't want it to be the guy in the don't want it to be the guy in the don't want it to be the guy in the church basement jumping rope with his church basement jumping rope with his church basement jumping rope with his own arms just because he was b list I own arms just because he was b list I own arms just because he was b list I would watch that though man I would would watch that though man I would would watch that though man I would watch it too but that scissor real show watch it too but that scissor real show watch it too but that scissor real show has a has a home somewhere look man I'll has a has a home somewhere look man I'll has a has a home somewhere look man I'll leave you with this again I'm repeating leave you with this again I'm repeating leave you with this again I'm repeating myself but I don't me to two things myself but I don't me to two things myself but I don't me to two things regarding Travis McGee be wary of all regarding Travis McGee be wary of all regarding Travis McGee be wary of all earnestness it still holds up and the earnestness it still holds up and the earnestness it still holds up and the only sensible way to get through this only sensible way to get through this only sensible way to get through this crazy life is with the attitude of a crazy life is with the attitude of a crazy life is with the attitude of a vaudvillian vaudvillian vaudvillian clown embrace the work ethic show up clown embrace the work ethic show up clown embrace the work ethic show up every day do your job and when you get every day do your job and when you get every day do your job and when you get the pie in the face you know eat a piece the pie in the face you know eat a piece the pie in the face you know eat a piece smile you must be this tall to get on smile you must be this tall to get on smile you must be this tall to get on the ride dude and you are and I am so the ride dude and you are and I am so the ride dude and you are and I am so glad I'm so I'm so grateful that 9 and glad I'm so I'm so grateful that 9 and glad I'm so I'm so grateful that 9 and 1/2 years ago when I listened to you go 1/2 years ago when I listened to you go 1/2 years ago when I listened to you go on by yourself at 3 and 1/2 hours at on by yourself at 3 and 1/2 hours at on by yourself at 3 and 1/2 hours at Double speed Double speed Double speed making me smarter about the first world making me smarter about the first world making me smarter about the first world war that we get to sit here today you war that we get to sit here today you war that we get to sit here today you know nearly a decade later and you know know nearly a decade later and you know know nearly a decade later and you know talk about all the trouble in the world talk about all the trouble in the world talk about all the trouble in the world and and still find a way to to laugh a and and still find a way to to laugh a and and still find a way to to laugh a little that's one of the nice perks of little that's one of the nice perks of little that's one of the nice perks of the gig listen man I've eaten up your the gig listen man I've eaten up your the gig listen man I've eaten up your time thank you for being so generous time thank you for being so generous time thank you for being so generous with it um yeah and I mean hope we don't with it um yeah and I mean hope we don't with it um yeah and I mean hope we don't cause you any problems dude I'm fine cause you any problems dude I'm fine cause you any problems dude I'm fine believe me I survive CPAC I'll survive believe me I survive CPAC I'll survive believe me I survive CPAC I'll survive this enough hey last thought and this is

this enough hey last thought and this is this enough hey last thought and this is a Shameless plug and I don't know I mean a Shameless plug and I don't know I mean a Shameless plug and I don't know I mean but if for the dozen or so people still but if for the dozen or so people still but if for the dozen or so people still listening I I'm I'm serious about the listening I I'm I'm serious about the listening I I'm I'm serious about the work ethic scholarships we've got $2.5 work ethic scholarships we've got $2.5 work ethic scholarships we've got $2.5 million we're giving it away right now million we're giving it away right now million we're giving it away right now in real time it's at microworks dorg you in real time it's at microworks dorg you in real time it's at microworks dorg you got to jump through some hoops but if got to jump through some hoops but if got to jump through some hoops but if you or somebody in your world uh would you or somebody in your world uh would you or somebody in your world uh would benefit from learning a skill that's in benefit from learning a skill that's in benefit from learning a skill that's in demand it would be it would be my demand it would be it would be my demand it would be it would be my pleasure to assist ah how do you argue pleasure to assist ah how do you argue pleasure to assist ah how do you argue with that thanks buddy I appreciate you with that thanks buddy I appreciate you with that thanks buddy I appreciate you taking the time anytime my thanks to Mike Row for coming anytime my thanks to Mike Row for coming on the show today we appreciate his time on the show today we appreciate his time on the show today we appreciate his time I would remind you of all the things I would remind you of all the things I would remind you of all the things he's done but who has that kind of time he's done but who has that kind of time he's done but who has that kind of time even at Double speed uh you can catch even at Double speed uh you can catch even at Double speed uh you can catch his podcast though the way I heard it his podcast though the way I heard it his podcast though the way I heard it it's on YouTube wherever you get it's on YouTube wherever you get it's on YouTube wherever you get podcasts also or you can just go to podcasts also or you can just go to podcasts also or you can just go to micro.com and get it there I'm going to micro.com and get it there I'm going to micro.com and get it there I'm going to be appearing at the more theater in be appearing at the more theater in be appearing at the more theater in Seattle on April 11th 2025 if you Seattle on April 11th 2025 if you Seattle on April 11th 2025 if you haven't got anything better to do and haven't got anything better to do and haven't got anything better to do and you're nearby love to see you out there you're nearby love to see you out there you're nearby love to see you out there and uh in the and uh in the and uh in the meantime stay safe meantime stay safe meantime stay safe everybody how would you like to receive everybody how would you like to receive everybody how would you like to receive an email whenever a new Hardcore History an email whenever a new Hardcore History an email whenever a new Hardcore History show is released just sign up for Dan's show is released just sign up for Dan's show is released just sign up for Dan's substack newsletter we will send you a substack newsletter we will send you a substack newsletter we will send you a note when a new show drops or whenever note when a new show drops or whenever note when a new show drops or whenever there's something worth telling you there's something worth telling you there's something worth telling you about it's free and it's easy just go to about it's free and it's easy just go to about it's free and it's easy just go to dancarlin.com dancarlin.com dancarlin.com bucka show is all we ask please go to

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