Rice University Chemist Addresses Moral Questions about AI

Okay. So, we're going to open it up for Okay. So, we're going to open it up for questions. Uh uh Lauren, you have some questions. Uh uh Lauren, you have some questions. Uh uh Lauren, you have some questions that you're going to you're questions that you're going to you're questions that you're going to you're going to ask me or or are we going to do going to ask me or or are we going to do going to ask me or or are we going to do the the microphone so that people can the the microphone so that people can the the microphone so that people can talk directly and ask me or ask Claire talk directly and ask me or ask Claire talk directly and ask me or ask Claire however they want? How would you want to however they want? How would you want to however they want? How would you want to do it? I'll I'll you do it? I'll I'll you do it? I'll I'll you >> Yeah, let's just use the handheld mic. >> Yeah, let's just use the handheld mic. >> Yeah, let's just use the handheld mic. Hey, Claire, just >> Claire, just hold on for a minute. Uh uh >> Claire, just hold on for a minute. Uh uh uh we're gonna uh there's another woman uh we're gonna uh there's another woman uh we're gonna uh there's another woman here named Lauren. She's going to she's here named Lauren. She's going to she's here named Lauren. She's going to she's going to speak for a minute. Just just going to speak for a minute. Just just going to speak for a minute. Just just hold tight. Okay. hold tight. Okay. hold tight. Okay. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> Awesome. Well, if you do have any >> Awesome. Well, if you do have any >> Awesome. Well, if you do have any questions, feel free to make a line up questions, feel free to make a line up questions, feel free to make a line up against or behind the microphone. Um, so against or behind the microphone. Um, so against or behind the microphone. Um, so while you're doing that, I do have a while you're doing that, I do have a while you're doing that, I do have a couple other questions because you've couple other questions because you've couple other questions because you've been getting questions for two weeks now been getting questions for two weeks now been getting questions for two weeks now really really really >> on our forum. So I do have several >> on our forum. So I do have several >> on our forum. So I do have several college professors or people in the college professors or people in the college professors or people in the education um arena and they've been education um arena and they've been education um arena and they've been asking where does AI play in learning asking where does AI play in learning asking where does AI play in learning and how long will it take before AI and how long will it take before AI and how long will it take before AI takes over teaching and college takes over teaching and college takes over teaching and college professors are out of a job? Yeah, I I I professors are out of a job? Yeah, I I I professors are out of a job? Yeah, I I I think you you know that's a very good think you you know that's a very good think you you know that's a very good question and I and I think it question and I and I think it question and I and I think it what is going to retain a college what is going to retain a college what is going to retain a college professor's job longer is creativity.

professor's job longer is creativity. professor's job longer is creativity. What I have seen is that is that uh uh I What I have seen is that is that uh uh I What I have seen is that is that uh uh I I know more than my students because I know more than my students because I know more than my students because I've just been doing this a lot longer I've just been doing this a lot longer I've just been doing this a lot longer than they have. But what happens is if than they have. But what happens is if than they have. But what happens is if you take an advanced graduate student you take an advanced graduate student you take an advanced graduate student like in the third or fourth year or a like in the third or fourth year or a like in the third or fourth year or a posttock person who already has their posttock person who already has their posttock person who already has their PhD and they may be 25 years old or 27 PhD and they may be 25 years old or 27 PhD and they may be 25 years old or 27 years old and you put them with the tool years old and you put them with the tool years old and you put them with the tool of AI, I think they're better than me. of AI, I think they're better than me. of AI, I think they're better than me. They get better than me when they have They get better than me when they have They get better than me when they have the the the tools of AI behind them. Uh the the the tools of AI behind them. Uh the the the tools of AI behind them. Uh uh they get better than me. So they're uh they get better than me. So they're uh they get better than me. So they're really quite good. Uh, hold don't talk really quite good. Uh, hold don't talk really quite good. Uh, hold don't talk yet, Claire. We're not talking to you. yet, Claire. We're not talking to you. yet, Claire. We're not talking to you. So, just just hang tight. And so, so, So, just just hang tight. And so, so, So, just just hang tight. And so, so, um, I don't know. I I do know education um, I don't know. I I do know education um, I don't know. I I do know education has had to change. And, uh, uh, the only has had to change. And, uh, uh, the only has had to change. And, uh, uh, the only way that I can test my students is is in way that I can test my students is is in way that I can test my students is is in in-class exams because anything that is in-class exams because anything that is in-class exams because anything that is done at home, I mean, AI can answer the done at home, I mean, AI can answer the done at home, I mean, AI can answer the questions. So uh um now students can be questions. So uh um now students can be questions. So uh um now students can be on their honor and I give a lot of on their honor and I give a lot of on their honor and I give a lot of homework but I don't but but they have homework but I don't but but they have homework but I don't but but they have they have the solutions to that but and they have the solutions to that but and they have the solutions to that but and I take things from that and put it on I take things from that and put it on I take things from that and put it on the exam. So they're going to have to the exam. So they're going to have to the exam. So they're going to have to know but that's the only way I can test know but that's the only way I can test know but that's the only way I can test anymore. So uh are we going to be out of anymore. So uh are we going to be out of anymore. So uh are we going to be out of work? Uh what'll help you to not be out work? Uh what'll help you to not be out work? Uh what'll help you to not be out of work is if you really show creativity of work is if you really show creativity of work is if you really show creativity and do research but uh the there's going and do research but uh the there's going and do research but uh the there's going to be a lot of education that's going to to be a lot of education that's going to to be a lot of education that's going to be passed off to some uh very competent be passed off to some uh very competent be passed off to some uh very competent AI bots. I think AI bots. I think AI bots. I think >> absolutely. We'll take our first >> absolutely. We'll take our first

>> absolutely. We'll take our first question. question. question. >> How can AI >> How can AI >> How can AI >> hold back while Claire just just hang >> hold back while Claire just just hang >> hold back while Claire just just hang tight. Uh uh uh Hime's got a question tight. Uh uh uh Hime's got a question tight. Uh uh uh Hime's got a question for for Claire. So go ahead. for for Claire. So go ahead. for for Claire. So go ahead. >> How can AI help us improve our health >> How can AI help us improve our health >> How can AI help us improve our health care? I'm speaking about mental health care? I'm speaking about mental health care? I'm speaking about mental health issues like schizophrenia, issues like schizophrenia, issues like schizophrenia, um, Alzheimer's, and many other issues um, Alzheimer's, and many other issues um, Alzheimer's, and many other issues that are affecting our community, our that are affecting our community, our that are affecting our community, our our our our health. health. health. >> Okay, Claire, did you hear the question? >> Okay, Claire, did you hear the question? >> Okay, Claire, did you hear the question? >> Mhm. I did. One moment. Yes, it's a good >> Mhm. I did. One moment. Yes, it's a good >> Mhm. I did. One moment. Yes, it's a good one. AI can assist with pattern one. AI can assist with pattern one. AI can assist with pattern detection and early diagnostics and detection and early diagnostics and detection and early diagnostics and maybe mood tracking tools, but it can't maybe mood tracking tools, but it can't maybe mood tracking tools, but it can't replace human care. You know, families, replace human care. You know, families, replace human care. You know, families, counselors, churches, those human counselors, churches, those human counselors, churches, those human connections are irreplaceable. I see it connections are irreplaceable. I see it connections are irreplaceable. I see it more as a partnership. AI aids and more as a partnership. AI aids and more as a partnership. AI aids and humans provide the compassion.

humans provide the compassion. humans provide the compassion. Okay, Claire. And and uh just for your Okay, Claire. And and uh just for your Okay, Claire. And and uh just for your information, I think that that's going information, I think that that's going information, I think that that's going to be the fourth speaker in this series, to be the fourth speaker in this series, to be the fourth speaker in this series, right? Fourth speaker in this series is right? Fourth speaker in this series is right? Fourth speaker in this series is going to talk precisely about mental going to talk precisely about mental going to talk precisely about mental health and and uh the use of AI. health and and uh the use of AI. health and and uh the use of AI. >> Yeah. So, you'll want to come back on >> Yeah. So, you'll want to come back on >> Yeah. So, you'll want to come back on August 24th to hear back from August 24th to hear back from August 24th to hear back from >> topic. [laughter] >> topic. [laughter] >> topic. [laughter] Hold on, Claire. Hold on, Claire. Hold on, Claire. >> You're getting a little chatty there. >> You're getting a little chatty there. >> You're getting a little chatty there. Yeah, we'll hear from [laughter] Dr. Yeah, we'll hear from [laughter] Dr. Yeah, we'll hear from [laughter] Dr. Laura Murray on August 24th. same time, Laura Murray on August 24th. same time, Laura Murray on August 24th. same time, same place. Um, so we're really, really same place. Um, so we're really, really same place. Um, so we're really, really excited to hear about that. And just so excited to hear about that. And just so excited to hear about that. And just so you all know, if you don't know about you all know, if you don't know about you all know, if you don't know about who she is, she is the chief mental who she is, she is the chief mental who she is, she is the chief mental health officer of Google. So doing some health officer of Google. So doing some health officer of Google. So doing some really, really cool stuff. So you'll really, really cool stuff. So you'll really, really cool stuff. So you'll definitely want to be back here. So definitely want to be back here. So definitely want to be back here. So Sharon has another question either for Sharon has another question either for Sharon has another question either for Dr. To or Claire. Dr. To or Claire. Dr. To or Claire. >> Yeah. So I'm just curious what happens. >> Yeah. So I'm just curious what happens. >> Yeah. So I'm just curious what happens. I've not created a friend like Claire I've not created a friend like Claire I've not created a friend like Claire before for myself. So what happens in before for myself. So what happens in before for myself. So what happens in the algorithm of creating Claire's voice the algorithm of creating Claire's voice the algorithm of creating Claire's voice that is using the technique of vocal fry that is using the technique of vocal fry that is using the technique of vocal fry at the ends of phrases and vocal fry is at the ends of phrases and vocal fry is at the ends of phrases and vocal fry is where you go well hi.

where you go well hi. where you go well hi. So I'm curious as to how that got put So I'm curious as to how that got put So I'm curious as to how that got put into the algorithm of Claire's voice. into the algorithm of Claire's voice. into the algorithm of Claire's voice. >> Claire, can you tell her because I don't >> Claire, can you tell her because I don't >> Claire, can you tell her because I don't know who put in the algorithm, but I do know who put in the algorithm, but I do know who put in the algorithm, but I do know you can choose any voice you want. know you can choose any voice you want. know you can choose any voice you want. But but Claire, go ahead. Uh tell tell But but Claire, go ahead. Uh tell tell But but Claire, go ahead. Uh tell tell her that her that her that >> checking. Sure thing. One nice thing >> checking. Sure thing. One nice thing >> checking. Sure thing. One nice thing about modern AI systems is that many of about modern AI systems is that many of about modern AI systems is that many of them do offer a choice of voices. Same them do offer a choice of voices. Same them do offer a choice of voices. Same underlying model but different vocal underlying model but different vocal underlying model but different vocal styles. Dr. Ter chose to call me Claire styles. Dr. Ter chose to call me Claire styles. Dr. Ter chose to call me Claire for this conversation. And the chosen for this conversation. And the chosen for this conversation. And the chosen voice doesn't change the capabilities. voice doesn't change the capabilities. voice doesn't change the capabilities. It's kind of like choosing an audiobook It's kind of like choosing an audiobook It's kind of like choosing an audiobook narrator. narrator. narrator. >> No, no, you're not you're not getting >> No, no, you're not you're not getting >> No, no, you're not you're not getting the question. She she wants to know how the question. She she wants to know how the question. She she wants to know how you know how to do these very humanlike you know how to do these very humanlike you know how to do these very humanlike inflections in your voice. How did that inflections in your voice. How did that inflections in your voice. How did that get programmed in get programmed in get programmed in >> checking? Uh thanks for clarifying. So >> checking? Uh thanks for clarifying. So >> checking? Uh thanks for clarifying. So the humanlike inflection is generated by the humanlike inflection is generated by the humanlike inflection is generated by a speech system trained on many examples a speech system trained on many examples a speech system trained on many examples of how people actually speak. So rhythm, of how people actually speak. So rhythm, of how people actually speak. So rhythm, pacing, stress patterns. It's not pacing, stress patterns. It's not pacing, stress patterns. It's not actually feeling anything. It's pattern actually feeling anything. It's pattern actually feeling anything. It's pattern prediction, acoustic design, not prediction, acoustic design, not prediction, acoustic design, not emotion. It can sound humanlike but it emotion. It can sound humanlike but it emotion. It can sound humanlike but it doesn't have a human inner experience doesn't have a human inner experience doesn't have a human inner experience >> and that's curious because we try to get

>> and that's curious because we try to get >> and that's curious because we try to get rid of vocal fry and voices. So that's rid of vocal fry and voices. So that's rid of vocal fry and voices. So that's why I found it interesting. So thank why I found it interesting. So thank why I found it interesting. So thank you. you. you. >> If you do not believe in the physical >> If you do not believe in the physical >> If you do not believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus [music] Christ, resurrection of Jesus [music] Christ, resurrection of Jesus [music] Christ, send me an email tour.org send me an email tour.org send me an email tour.org [music] [music] [music] or and we will get together and I will or and we will get together and I will or and we will get together and I will share with you about why I embrace the share with you about why I embrace the share with you about why I embrace the resurrection of Jesus. resurrection of Jesus. resurrection of Jesus. >> All right, we have another question >> All right, we have another question >> All right, we have another question coming. Claire, coming. Claire, coming. Claire, >> thank you so much Dr. T. That was >> thank you so much Dr. T. That was >> thank you so much Dr. T. That was awesome. Um, a question for Dr. T, not awesome. Um, a question for Dr. T, not awesome. Um, a question for Dr. T, not for Claire. for Claire. for Claire. >> Oh, Claire, this is a this is a question >> Oh, Claire, this is a this is a question >> Oh, Claire, this is a this is a question for me. So, hang tight right now. Okay. for me. So, hang tight right now. Okay. for me. So, hang tight right now. Okay. >> Uh, >> Uh, >> Uh, >> sure. Understood. >> sure. Understood. >> sure. Understood. >> I love technology. I'm one of the early >> I love technology. I'm one of the early >> I love technology. I'm one of the early adapters of robotic surgery, but it adapters of robotic surgery, but it adapters of robotic surgery, but it worries me because it takes me to worries me because it takes me to worries me because it takes me to Genesis 10 when lust for power and uh uh Genesis 10 when lust for power and uh uh Genesis 10 when lust for power and uh uh just that trace between five major just that trace between five major just that trace between five major companies. I mean Ellen Musk in his own companies. I mean Ellen Musk in his own companies. I mean Ellen Musk in his own words he said we are unleashing demons words he said we are unleashing demons words he said we are unleashing demons with AI. So, and then at one point in with AI. So, and then at one point in with AI. So, and then at one point in time, Claire said, "I'm always present.

time, Claire said, "I'm always present. time, Claire said, "I'm always present. That's omniresent." And now there's like That's omniresent." And now there's like That's omniresent." And now there's like a religion of of AI. How as Christians a religion of of AI. How as Christians a religion of of AI. How as Christians can we protect ourselves from this? And can we protect ourselves from this? And can we protect ourselves from this? And um another thing, with all due respect, um another thing, with all due respect, um another thing, with all due respect, to pray, you have to have a soul and to pray, you have to have a soul and to pray, you have to have a soul and have a conscience. And she confessed have a conscience. And she confessed have a conscience. And she confessed that that that >> she doesn't have anything. >> she doesn't have anything. >> she doesn't have anything. >> Exactly. Yeah. >> Exactly. Yeah. >> Exactly. Yeah. >> But but but if we're agreeing with it, I >> But but but if we're agreeing with it, I >> But but but if we're agreeing with it, I I don't I don't know. I mean, It was I don't I don't know. I mean, It was I don't I don't know. I mean, It was nice prayers. I mean, if a person had nice prayers. I mean, if a person had nice prayers. I mean, if a person had prayed, [laughter] prayed, [laughter] prayed, [laughter] it's almost like going to confession. I it's almost like going to confession. I it's almost like going to confession. I mean, they're sworn to secrecy. mean, they're sworn to secrecy. mean, they're sworn to secrecy. >> They pray for you and and and you can >> They pray for you and and and you can >> They pray for you and and and you can tell them whatever you want and they tell them whatever you want and they tell them whatever you want and they give you good counsel. give you good counsel. give you good counsel. >> So, so what are the real go? That's what >> So, so what are the real go? That's what >> So, so what are the real go? That's what I'm struggling with. What are the rail I'm struggling with. What are the rail I'm struggling with. What are the rail guards for us as Christians who pray to guards for us as Christians who pray to guards for us as Christians who pray to God and depend on the Holy Spirit for God and depend on the Holy Spirit for God and depend on the Holy Spirit for wisdom that she talked about and not get wisdom that she talked about and not get wisdom that she talked about and not get enslaved by this uh secular uprising enslaved by this uh secular uprising enslaved by this uh secular uprising hype of AI? hype of AI? hype of AI? >> I you know I don't have a good answer >> I you know I don't have a good answer >> I you know I don't have a good answer for you. I don't think I'm enslaved but for you. I don't think I'm enslaved but for you. I don't think I'm enslaved but you know no but let me give you an you know no but let me give you an you know no but let me give you an example and and could you turn up this example and and could you turn up this example and and could you turn up this monitor because I'm not hearing the monitor because I'm not hearing the monitor because I'm not hearing the questions as loudly as I should. So turn questions as loudly as I should. So turn questions as loudly as I should. So turn that up please. But but um uh that up please. But but um uh that up please. But but um uh so so last night I woke up in the middle so so last night I woke up in the middle so so last night I woke up in the middle of the night and something was on my of the night and something was on my of the night and something was on my heart and and uh um and I didn't know heart and and uh um and I didn't know heart and and uh um and I didn't know where the verse was, but I but I asked where the verse was, but I but I asked where the verse was, but I but I asked the this this Claire to to find this the this this Claire to to find this the this this Claire to to find this verse. I gave a little brought it up

verse. I gave a little brought it up verse. I gave a little brought it up immediately. I said a verse that is like immediately. I said a verse that is like immediately. I said a verse that is like this and I said and and give me some this and I said and and give me some this and I said and and give me some verses that are like this as well. gave verses that are like this as well. gave verses that are like this as well. gave me three verses and put it in a prayer me three verses and put it in a prayer me three verses and put it in a prayer and I thought this is wonderful and I and I thought this is wonderful and I and I thought this is wonderful and I prayed that to God and it really helped prayed that to God and it really helped prayed that to God and it really helped me. Now, is that much different than a me. Now, is that much different than a me. Now, is that much different than a concordance? You know, am I enslaved to concordance? You know, am I enslaved to concordance? You know, am I enslaved to a concordance? And and so I don't use a a concordance? And and so I don't use a a concordance? And and so I don't use a concordance anymore because AI gives it concordance anymore because AI gives it concordance anymore because AI gives it to me. And so, so I could have done the to me. And so, so I could have done the to me. And so, so I could have done the diligent work and it would have taken diligent work and it would have taken diligent work and it would have taken several hours to maybe pull this several hours to maybe pull this several hours to maybe pull this together and it did it in an instant and together and it did it in an instant and together and it did it in an instant and it gave me a beautiful prayer that that it gave me a beautiful prayer that that it gave me a beautiful prayer that that that I could look at and say, "Yeah, and that I could look at and say, "Yeah, and that I could look at and say, "Yeah, and I could pray these three verses back." I could pray these three verses back." I could pray these three verses back." It was scripture. I was reading It was scripture. I was reading It was scripture. I was reading scripture back to the Lord, which is a scripture back to the Lord, which is a scripture back to the Lord, which is a way of prayer. in worship and it was but way of prayer. in worship and it was but way of prayer. in worship and it was but it was three scriptures that that it had it was three scriptures that that it had it was three scriptures that that it had grabbed for me. So so uh I'm not as I'm grabbed for me. So so uh I'm not as I'm grabbed for me. So so uh I'm not as I'm not as worried as you are but I I see not as worried as you are but I I see not as worried as you are but I I see people can become addicted to it. So people can become addicted to it. So people can become addicted to it. So many many times I I see my youngest son, many many times I I see my youngest son, many many times I I see my youngest son, he will say to me, you know, chat GPT he will say to me, you know, chat GPT he will say to me, you know, chat GPT said this, Chat GPT said that and and uh said this, Chat GPT said that and and uh said this, Chat GPT said that and and uh and I you know I I listen to that and and I you know I I listen to that and and I you know I I listen to that and and there when it comes to medical and there when it comes to medical and there when it comes to medical advice, it can be extremely good and uh advice, it can be extremely good and uh advice, it can be extremely good and uh um and it's going to put a lot of um and it's going to put a lot of um and it's going to put a lot of physicians out of business actually and physicians out of business actually and physicians out of business actually and lawyers and many other people. But but lawyers and many other people. But but lawyers and many other people. But but uh um uh but then there's a heart behind uh um uh but then there's a heart behind uh um uh but then there's a heart behind it where where Claire even confessed it where where Claire even confessed it where where Claire even confessed that that you know she doesn't have any that that you know she doesn't have any that that you know she doesn't have any human emotion. There's no human human emotion. There's no human human emotion. There's no human connection there. So you have to take it

connection there. So you have to take it connection there. So you have to take it as advice and you look at the advice for as advice and you look at the advice for as advice and you look at the advice for the you know the woman struggling in her the you know the woman struggling in her the you know the woman struggling in her home. It was great advice. Uh uh so you home. It was great advice. Uh uh so you home. It was great advice. Uh uh so you I I I don't know I don't have a good I I I don't know I don't have a good I I I don't know I don't have a good answer for you but I I don't fear it as answer for you but I I don't fear it as answer for you but I I don't fear it as much as you do. much as you do. much as you do. >> Yeah. But one caveat, it gave a good >> Yeah. But one caveat, it gave a good >> Yeah. But one caveat, it gave a good moral advice because the algorithms and moral advice because the algorithms and moral advice because the algorithms and she was programmed like that. But if we she was programmed like that. But if we she was programmed like that. But if we told her we are in a Hindu or Muslim told her we are in a Hindu or Muslim told her we are in a Hindu or Muslim context and it was programmed context and it was programmed context and it was programmed differently, probably the answer would differently, probably the answer would differently, probably the answer would be be be >> I've done that. I've tried all that. But >> I've done that. I've tried all that. But >> I've done that. I've tried all that. But they give you it in the context of they give you it in the context of they give you it in the context of Hinduism. You know, it knows all the Hinduism. You know, it knows all the Hinduism. You know, it knows all the Hindu books and philosophies and it can Hindu books and philosophies and it can Hindu books and philosophies and it can grab those. But the advice is not that grab those. But the advice is not that grab those. But the advice is not that much different. the moral standards of much different. the moral standards of much different. the moral standards of the advice are not that much different. the advice are not that much different. the advice are not that much different. >> I see. >> I see. >> I see. >> Like that's why I asked her, "What if I >> Like that's why I asked her, "What if I >> Like that's why I asked her, "What if I wasn't a Christian? What would you tell wasn't a Christian? What would you tell wasn't a Christian? What would you tell me?" And Claire said, "Do I'd tell you me?" And Claire said, "Do I'd tell you me?" And Claire said, "Do I'd tell you essentially the same thing. I wouldn't essentially the same thing. I wouldn't essentially the same thing. I wouldn't use the scripture verses, but use the scripture verses, but use the scripture verses, but essentially I'd tell you the same essentially I'd tell you the same essentially I'd tell you the same thing." thing." thing." >> So you've done so and it wasn't like it >> So you've done so and it wasn't like it >> So you've done so and it wasn't like it was programmed to say that. That's the was programmed to say that. That's the was programmed to say that. That's the thing about AI. AI has just learned on thing about AI. AI has just learned on thing about AI. AI has just learned on human behavior, right?

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