Why This Film Has Materialists So Upset - Matthew Harper talks with James Tour of Rice University

There was nothing, [music] There was nothing, [music] nothing contesting the data, the things nothing contesting the data, the things nothing contesting the data, the things that were presented by the [music] that were presented by the [music] that were presented by the [music] scientists in that movie. Everything was scientists in that movie. Everything was scientists in that movie. Everything was ad hominem attack. They were attacking ad hominem attack. They were attacking ad hominem attack. They were attacking the scientists themselves, which is the scientists themselves, which is the scientists themselves, which is [music] a tell, which is a which is a [music] a tell, which is a which is a [music] a tell, which is a which is a which is a testimony in itself that we which is a testimony in itself that we which is a testimony in itself that we were [music] right over the target. A were [music] right over the target. A were [music] right over the target. A materialist mindset has real problems materialist mindset has real problems materialist mindset has real problems with this. So, all they can do is try to with this. So, all they can do is try to with this. So, all they can do is try to criticize the scientists or criticize criticize the scientists or criticize criticize the scientists or criticize the the people that that supported or the the people that that supported or the the people that that supported or produced the movie. [music] They are not produced the movie. [music] They are not produced the movie. [music] They are not contesting with the content of the contesting with the content of the contesting with the content of the movie. >> I'm Dr. Anthony Harper here, blessed to >> I'm Dr. Anthony Harper here, blessed to be with Dr. James Tour. And Dr. Tour, be with Dr. James Tour. And Dr. Tour, be with Dr. James Tour. And Dr. Tour, thank you for joining me today on very thank you for joining me today on very thank you for joining me today on very important issues uh he impacting uh important issues uh he impacting uh important issues uh he impacting uh national security regarding China, uh national security regarding China, uh national security regarding China, uh about a very important movie that you're about a very important movie that you're about a very important movie that you're that you've been part of, and so much that you've been part of, and so much that you've been part of, and so much more. So, uh you know, first of all, uh more. So, uh you know, first of all, uh more. So, uh you know, first of all, uh please uh um you share your please uh um you share your please uh um you share your personal background, your your current personal background, your your current personal background, your your current work experience.

work experience. work experience. >> Okay, well, I'm a professor. Um I'm an >> Okay, well, I'm a professor. Um I'm an >> Okay, well, I'm a professor. Um I'm an organic chemist. I work in the areas of organic chemist. I work in the areas of organic chemist. I work in the areas of nanotechnology and across many different nanotechnology and across many different nanotechnology and across many different fields, everything from medicine to the fields, everything from medicine to the fields, everything from medicine to the environment to metals and elements environment to metals and elements environment to metals and elements extraction and to electronics. Um I've extraction and to electronics. Um I've extraction and to electronics. Um I've been a professor for 38 years. I've been a professor for 38 years. I've been a professor for 38 years. I've started 17 companies that are operating started 17 companies that are operating started 17 companies that are operating right now. I'm in the midst of starting right now. I'm in the midst of starting right now. I'm in the midst of starting three more. Three companies are now three more. Three companies are now three more. Three companies are now public companies, and I teach, I public companies, and I teach, I public companies, and I teach, I lecture, um lecture, um lecture, um I do both undergraduate classes and I do both undergraduate classes and I do both undergraduate classes and graduate classes, and I have a big graduate classes, and I have a big graduate classes, and I have a big research program here at Rice University research program here at Rice University research program here at Rice University with graduate students and postdocs with graduate students and postdocs with graduate students and postdocs working in the laboratories. working in the laboratories. working in the laboratories. >> Uh you said your your PhD is in what >> Uh you said your your PhD is in what >> Uh you said your your PhD is in what field again? field again? field again? >> Synthetic organic chemistry. >> Synthetic organic chemistry. >> Synthetic organic chemistry. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. And uh I know this is an important issue And uh I know this is an important issue And uh I know this is an important issue uh of you in this field, I'm thinking uh of you in this field, I'm thinking uh of you in this field, I'm thinking about how about how about how it impacts our national security. You it impacts our national security. You it impacts our national security. You have concerns about China, about have concerns about China, about have concerns about China, about nanotechnology, nanotechnology, nanotechnology, and about chemical issues. Are we and about chemical issues. Are we and about chemical issues. Are we dependent upon China dependent upon China dependent upon China for nanotechnology for nanotechnology for nanotechnology and the certain chemicals, uh and the certain chemicals, uh and the certain chemicals, uh you know, base metals or whatever?

you know, base metals or whatever? you know, base metals or whatever? >> The the US It's not that the US is is >> The the US It's not that the US is is >> The the US It's not that the US is is beholden to China on nanotechnology. I beholden to China on nanotechnology. I beholden to China on nanotechnology. I mean, a lot of their expertise came from mean, a lot of their expertise came from mean, a lot of their expertise came from the US, not that them stealing it. the US, not that them stealing it. the US, not that them stealing it. It It's It was more that uh we trained It It's It was more that uh we trained It It's It was more that uh we trained their students. I mean, their students. I mean, their students. I mean, I was a graduate student when the first I was a graduate student when the first I was a graduate student when the first visiting scholars started coming to the visiting scholars started coming to the visiting scholars started coming to the United States United States United States in the in the late '70s, and uh um in the in the late '70s, and uh um in the in the late '70s, and uh um and then and then uh when the the and then and then uh when the the and then and then uh when the the graduate students first started coming graduate students first started coming graduate students first started coming to the US in in I think it was 1981, to the US in in I think it was 1981, to the US in in I think it was 1981, I remember when they first started I remember when they first started I remember when they first started coming, and I was good friends with coming, and I was good friends with coming, and I was good friends with them, and we worked in the labs them, and we worked in the labs them, and we worked in the labs together. And uh and then my first together. And uh and then my first together. And uh and then my first students My first student was a Chinese students My first student was a Chinese students My first student was a Chinese woman. And and I've had Chinese people woman. And and I've had Chinese people woman. And and I've had Chinese people in my laboratory ever since then, and in my laboratory ever since then, and in my laboratory ever since then, and and I am training them. I trained them and I am training them. I trained them and I am training them. I trained them in nanotechnology, and they taught me. I in nanotechnology, and they taught me. I in nanotechnology, and they taught me. I mean, we learn from each other. That's mean, we learn from each other. That's mean, we learn from each other. That's the whole thing about a PhD. the whole thing about a PhD. the whole thing about a PhD. And many of those students stayed in the And many of those students stayed in the And many of those students stayed in the United States. They became excellent United States. They became excellent United States. They became excellent citizens. They They citizens. They They citizens. They They uh they pay their taxes, and they're in uh they pay their taxes, and they're in uh they pay their taxes, and they're in our national laboratories right now. Uh our national laboratories right now. Uh our national laboratories right now. Uh their their their descendants their their their their descendants their their their their descendants their their their children occupy our top their their children occupy our top their their children occupy our top universities, these first- and universities, these first- and universities, these first- and second-generation Chinese. And so, second-generation Chinese. And so, second-generation Chinese. And so, they've been They've been excellent for they've been They've been excellent for they've been They've been excellent for the United States. And what I say is if the United States. And what I say is if the United States. And what I say is if if if China has if if China has if if China has has stolen things from the United has stolen things from the United has stolen things from the United States, stolen intellectual property, we States, stolen intellectual property, we States, stolen intellectual property, we we got We've gotten uh we got We've gotten uh we got We've gotten uh about 45 years of their best brains have

about 45 years of their best brains have about 45 years of their best brains have stayed in the United States uh and stayed in the United States uh and stayed in the United States uh and become uh very active and good citizens, become uh very active and good citizens, become uh very active and good citizens, wonderful people that have really wonderful people that have really wonderful people that have really progressed. There's no way that the progressed. There's no way that the progressed. There's no way that the United States could have could have uh United States could have could have uh United States could have could have uh progressed technologically without that progressed technologically without that progressed technologically without that [clears throat] base of people. They [clears throat] base of people. They [clears throat] base of people. They came in came in came in because they they're highly skilled in because they they're highly skilled in because they they're highly skilled in the sense that they were they they the sense that they were they they the sense that they were they they worked very hard to be able to get here. worked very hard to be able to get here. worked very hard to be able to get here. I never, in all my years, I've never had I never, in all my years, I've never had I never, in all my years, I've never had a lazy Chinese student from China, a lazy Chinese student from China, a lazy Chinese student from China, never. Because all the lazy ones never never. Because all the lazy ones never never. Because all the lazy ones never get here. Uh only the best came. And and get here. Uh only the best came. And and get here. Uh only the best came. And and uh they worked very hard. Now, more of uh they worked very hard. Now, more of uh they worked very hard. Now, more of them are going back these days because them are going back these days because them are going back these days because they're encouraged to go back after they they're encouraged to go back after they they're encouraged to go back after they get their PhD, but it's mostly because get their PhD, but it's mostly because get their PhD, but it's mostly because the jobs are hard to get in the United the jobs are hard to get in the United the jobs are hard to get in the United States. Uh uh it's become harder for States. Uh uh it's become harder for States. Uh uh it's become harder for them to get jobs in the United States, them to get jobs in the United States, them to get jobs in the United States, harder for them to stay here. So, harder for them to stay here. So, harder for them to stay here. So, they're going back. And there's and I they're going back. And there's and I they're going back. And there's and I have I have my former students at at uh have I have my former students at at uh have I have my former students at at uh all the top universities in China have all the top universities in China have all the top universities in China have have one or two of my former students in have one or two of my former students in have one or two of my former students in them uh as professors there. So, so uh them uh as professors there. So, so uh them uh as professors there. So, so uh uh it's been a mixed bag in in that uh it's been a mixed bag in in that uh it's been a mixed bag in in that sense. Is the US dependent upon them?

sense. Is the US dependent upon them? sense. Is the US dependent upon them? Yes, the US is dependent upon them for Yes, the US is dependent upon them for Yes, the US is dependent upon them for critical metals, critical metals, critical metals, uh um many critical metals. Critical uh um many critical metals. Critical uh um many critical metals. Critical metals just meaning metals that the US metals just meaning metals that the US metals just meaning metals that the US does not have ample supply of itself, so does not have ample supply of itself, so does not have ample supply of itself, so it imports most of what it needs. it imports most of what it needs. it imports most of what it needs. That didn't have to be the case. I mean, That didn't have to be the case. I mean, That didn't have to be the case. I mean, it wasn't like somebody put a gun to our it wasn't like somebody put a gun to our it wasn't like somebody put a gun to our head and said, "You must buy from us." head and said, "You must buy from us." head and said, "You must buy from us." We sold the technology to the Chinese. We sold the technology to the Chinese. We sold the technology to the Chinese. We didn't think it was very useful. We We didn't think it was very useful. We We didn't think it was very useful. We wanted to offshore manufacturing. We wanted to offshore manufacturing. We wanted to offshore manufacturing. We thought we'd be more of a service thought we'd be more of a service thought we'd be more of a service country. And uh uh so, we fell into this country. And uh uh so, we fell into this country. And uh uh so, we fell into this trap of getting used to to buying the trap of getting used to to buying the trap of getting used to to buying the materials from from other places, and materials from from other places, and materials from from other places, and particularly China. And so, now we're particularly China. And so, now we're particularly China. And so, now we're very dependent. And now that that very dependent. And now that that very dependent. And now that that relations have gone kind of south uh relations have gone kind of south uh relations have gone kind of south uh between between the United States between between the United States between between the United States government and the Chinese government, government and the Chinese government, government and the Chinese government, uh now we're quite worried that they uh now we're quite worried that they uh now we're quite worried that they could cut us off from this as they have could cut us off from this as they have could cut us off from this as they have with several of the metals that so they with several of the metals that so they with several of the metals that so they stopped selling several of those those stopped selling several of those those stopped selling several of those those metals in the United States. So, we have metals in the United States. So, we have metals in the United States. So, we have to scurry around. We do have access to to scurry around. We do have access to to scurry around. We do have access to many of the metals through the United many of the metals through the United many of the metals through the United States, but our whole program is we take States, but our whole program is we take States, but our whole program is we take waste. We take the waste electronics.

waste. We take the waste electronics. waste. We take the waste electronics. All the metals we need are in our waste All the metals we need are in our waste All the metals we need are in our waste and instead of taking our electronics and instead of taking our electronics and instead of taking our electronics waste and shipping it off to Africa waste and shipping it off to Africa waste and shipping it off to Africa and and just dumping it off there, we and and just dumping it off there, we and and just dumping it off there, we just need to learn to extract that and just need to learn to extract that and just need to learn to extract that and that's what we're learning how to do that's what we're learning how to do that's what we're learning how to do because the presence of these critical because the presence of these critical because the presence of these critical metals is all in our waste and I don't metals is all in our waste and I don't metals is all in our waste and I don't mean just our cell phones. I mean in mean just our cell phones. I mean in mean just our cell phones. I mean in much bigger systems. So, so if you take much bigger systems. So, so if you take much bigger systems. So, so if you take for example a data center, for example a data center, for example a data center, they replace their printed circuit they replace their printed circuit they replace their printed circuit boards every 1 to 3 years. That's a that boards every 1 to 3 years. That's a that boards every 1 to 3 years. That's a that is mountains of printed circuit boards is mountains of printed circuit boards is mountains of printed circuit boards and those are full of these critical and those are full of these critical and those are full of these critical metals and so we're learning how to metals and so we're learning how to metals and so we're learning how to extract those out from those, but we can extract those out from those, but we can extract those out from those, but we can do it from ores as well. The universe do it from ores as well. The universe do it from ores as well. The universe the the the the country has great access the the the the country has great access the the the the country has great access to to uh uh those, but but uh we have a to to uh uh those, but but uh we have a to to uh uh those, but but uh we have a lot of restrictions on mining. Uh the lot of restrictions on mining. Uh the lot of restrictions on mining. Uh the rare earth elements, the US used to do a rare earth elements, the US used to do a rare earth elements, the US used to do a lot of rare earth element mining. In lot of rare earth element mining. In lot of rare earth element mining. In fact, all that technology came from the fact, all that technology came from the fact, all that technology came from the US. Uh we learned how to remove rare US. Uh we learned how to remove rare US. Uh we learned how to remove rare earth metals because we were actually earth metals because we were actually earth metals because we were actually going after the uranium. We were going going after the uranium. We were going going after the uranium. We were going after the radioactive elements uh when after the radioactive elements uh when after the radioactive elements uh when we were building our our nuclear we were building our our nuclear we were building our our nuclear arsenal.

arsenal. arsenal. And so we worked out all that And so we worked out all that And so we worked out all that technology, but that our technology was technology, but that our technology was technology, but that our technology was sold to China in the 1970s uh because we sold to China in the 1970s uh because we sold to China in the 1970s uh because we didn't think it was necessary anymore didn't think it was necessary anymore didn't think it was necessary anymore and we let the Chinese run the rare and we let the Chinese run the rare and we let the Chinese run the rare earth element business. And so now we're earth element business. And so now we're earth element business. And so now we're we're gearing back up and we have we're we're gearing back up and we have we're we're gearing back up and we have we're we're taking it from waste. We can take we're taking it from waste. We can take we're taking it from waste. We can take it from ores. We have access to ores as it from ores. We have access to ores as it from ores. We have access to ores as well in the US, but do we want to go well in the US, but do we want to go well in the US, but do we want to go back into the mining operation? Uh back into the mining operation? Uh back into the mining operation? Uh that's a decision we have to make, but that's a decision we have to make, but that's a decision we have to make, but as as far as my group and the companies as as far as my group and the companies as as far as my group and the companies I've started, we're primarily getting it I've started, we're primarily getting it I've started, we're primarily getting it out of waste. So, so that was a long out of waste. So, so that was a long out of waste. So, so that was a long answer to a short question. Uh I'm not answer to a short question. Uh I'm not answer to a short question. Uh I'm not sure how many more questions you'll be sure how many more questions you'll be sure how many more questions you'll be able to ask me if I give that long of an able to ask me if I give that long of an able to ask me if I give that long of an answer. answer. answer. >> If you do not believe in the physical >> If you do not believe in the physical >> If you do not believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus [music] Christ, resurrection of Jesus [music] Christ, resurrection of Jesus [music] Christ, send me an email >> [music] >> [music] >> and we will get together and I will >> and we will get together and I will >> and we will get together and I will share with you about why I embrace the share with you about why I embrace the share with you about why I embrace the resurrection of Jesus. resurrection of Jesus. resurrection of Jesus. >> Uh well, I understand and that is so >> Uh well, I understand and that is so >> Uh well, I understand and that is so important to to know the background important to to know the background important to to know the background about it also concerned that there's a about it also concerned that there's a about it also concerned that there's a lot of lot of people I think because lot of lot of people I think because lot of lot of people I think because there's that America is too dependent on there's that America is too dependent on there's that America is too dependent on other countries that we outsourced other countries that we outsourced other countries that we outsourced uh a lot of our work uh uh a lot of our work uh uh a lot of our work uh and President Trump has I know he's and President Trump has I know he's and President Trump has I know he's talked about this issue about making talked about this issue about making talked about this issue about making America greater, you know, and and not America greater, you know, and and not America greater, you know, and and not be dependent upon other countries. Uh I be dependent upon other countries. Uh I be dependent upon other countries. Uh I want to say switch to another topic and want to say switch to another topic and want to say switch to another topic and that is that a crucial topic about that is that a crucial topic about that is that a crucial topic about origins of life. I know that you you've origins of life. I know that you you've origins of life. I know that you you've concerns about uh you know, the the way concerns about uh you know, the the way concerns about uh you know, the the way evidence is being presented or evidence is being presented or evidence is being presented or misrepresented. So, uh what is your

misrepresented. So, uh what is your misrepresented. So, uh what is your uh your take on the evidence uh your take on the evidence uh your take on the evidence for the origins of life? for the origins of life? for the origins of life? >> Okay, so scientists have are clueless on >> Okay, so scientists have are clueless on >> Okay, so scientists have are clueless on the origin of life. So, this whole the origin of life. So, this whole the origin of life. So, this whole primordial soup model where you have a primordial soup model where you have a primordial soup model where you have a pond, some pond somewhere and lightning pond, some pond somewhere and lightning pond, some pond somewhere and lightning strikes and molecules started forming strikes and molecules started forming strikes and molecules started forming complex molecules and then those came complex molecules and then those came complex molecules and then those came together to form a cell and those turned together to form a cell and those turned together to form a cell and those turned into multicellular organisms and those into multicellular organisms and those into multicellular organisms and those turned into little creatures in the pond turned into little creatures in the pond turned into little creatures in the pond that came out out of the pond. that came out out of the pond. that came out out of the pond. That actually harkens back to the That actually harkens back to the That actually harkens back to the Babylonians. It's not Darwin, it harkens Babylonians. It's not Darwin, it harkens Babylonians. It's not Darwin, it harkens back to the Babylonians. back to the Babylonians. back to the Babylonians. From that same pond came their gods as From that same pond came their gods as From that same pond came their gods as well. That's that's how archaic this well. That's that's how archaic this well. That's that's how archaic this this this this warm little pond is. Now, people have warm little pond is. Now, people have warm little pond is. Now, people have shifted, they they they like this model shifted, they they they like this model shifted, they they they like this model of of undersea hydrothermal vents, these of of undersea hydrothermal vents, these of of undersea hydrothermal vents, these these white smokers. these white smokers. these white smokers. Uh these undersea hydrothermal vents Uh these undersea hydrothermal vents Uh these undersea hydrothermal vents that that they say and and all of that that that they say and and all of that that that they say and and all of that is nonsense. is nonsense. is nonsense. We've looked at the data and I've We've looked at the data and I've We've looked at the data and I've presented it and whenever these origin presented it and whenever these origin presented it and whenever these origin of life chemists have to defend the of life chemists have to defend the of life chemists have to defend the things that they've written, they don't things that they've written, they don't things that they've written, they don't want to meet with me to defend it. Their want to meet with me to defend it. Their want to meet with me to defend it. Their own writings, their own papers, they own writings, their own papers, they own writings, their own papers, they won't defend because a lot of what won't defend because a lot of what won't defend because a lot of what they've put forward is not real. It is they've put forward is not real. It is they've put forward is not real. It is not it is not really prebiotically not it is not really prebiotically not it is not really prebiotically relevant, meaning that something that relevant, meaning that something that relevant, meaning that something that could have happened on an early Earth.

could have happened on an early Earth. could have happened on an early Earth. And and how we go even from the basic And and how we go even from the basic And and how we go even from the basic components because components because components because we can take a cell and we can we can take a cell and we can we can take a cell and we can deconstruct a cell. deconstruct a cell. deconstruct a cell. And you can you can take it into its And you can you can take it into its And you can you can take it into its basic parts, take it into its DNA and basic parts, take it into its DNA and basic parts, take it into its DNA and RNA RNA RNA and [clears throat] its lipids and its and [clears throat] its lipids and its and [clears throat] its lipids and its membranes and could you just even take membranes and could you just even take membranes and could you just even take those parts and put them back those parts and put them back those parts and put them back and make a working cell? and make a working cell? and make a working cell? Not under Not under Not under a rock someplace on an early Earth, but a rock someplace on an early Earth, but a rock someplace on an early Earth, but even in your modern laboratory. even in your modern laboratory. even in your modern laboratory. The answer is no. No, not even close. We The answer is no. No, not even close. We The answer is no. No, not even close. We don't know how to get Humpty Dumpty back don't know how to get Humpty Dumpty back don't know how to get Humpty Dumpty back together again. So even if we were to be together again. So even if we were to be together again. So even if we were to be given all the parts in a modern given all the parts in a modern given all the parts in a modern laboratory, we couldn't even get it back laboratory, we couldn't even get it back laboratory, we couldn't even get it back together again. We don't even understand together again. We don't even understand together again. We don't even understand so many of the the systems level so many of the the systems level so many of the the systems level requirements. We're learning every year requirements. We're learning every year requirements. We're learning every year that that a cell is not just a bunch of that that a cell is not just a bunch of that that a cell is not just a bunch of protoplasm. It is an is an integral unit protoplasm. It is an is an integral unit protoplasm. It is an is an integral unit that's like a factory and there's many that's like a factory and there's many that's like a factory and there's many levels of communication between these. levels of communication between these. levels of communication between these. And what what what humans have called a And what what what humans have called a And what what what humans have called a synthetic cell that they've made these synthetic cell that they've made these synthetic cell that they've made these know, they've taken a cell, a working know, they've taken a cell, a working know, they've taken a cell, a working cell cell cell and they've for example extracted the and they've for example extracted the and they've for example extracted the genome out of it and and put in a new genome out of it and and put in a new genome out of it and and put in a new genome into it. That's like taking the genome into it. That's like taking the genome into it. That's like taking the computer chip in a car and taking it out computer chip in a car and taking it out computer chip in a car and taking it out and copying it and then putting that and copying it and then putting that and copying it and then putting that copy back in the car. You can't claim copy back in the car. You can't claim copy back in the car. You can't claim you made the car. You can't claim you you made the car. You can't claim you you made the car. You can't claim you designed the car. You you took one piece designed the car. You you took one piece designed the car. You you took one piece out and you put another piece back in.

out and you put another piece back in. out and you put another piece back in. So that's the quote-unquote synthetic So that's the quote-unquote synthetic So that's the quote-unquote synthetic cell. And and um that that's that's as cell. And and um that that's that's as cell. And and um that that's that's as close as we can get. So we don't know close as we can get. So we don't know close as we can get. So we don't know where life came from, uh which is a where life came from, uh which is a where life came from, uh which is a pretty fundamental question. We have no pretty fundamental question. We have no pretty fundamental question. We have no idea where life came from. And and and idea where life came from. And and and idea where life came from. And and and uh I'm just one of one of a very small uh I'm just one of one of a very small uh I'm just one of one of a very small number of people calling calling the number of people calling calling the number of people calling calling the community to task on this because it's community to task on this because it's community to task on this because it's obvious to the synthetic chemist we we obvious to the synthetic chemist we we obvious to the synthetic chemist we we are clueless on this. Now, that's not to are clueless on this. Now, that's not to are clueless on this. Now, that's not to say that we won't know in 500 or 1,000 say that we won't know in 500 or 1,000 say that we won't know in 500 or 1,000 years. If you had asked a man in 1600, years. If you had asked a man in 1600, years. If you had asked a man in 1600, would we be able to have space would we would we be able to have space would we would we be able to have space would we be able to fly to the moon and be able to fly to the moon and be able to fly to the moon and land, walk around, and fly back? The man land, walk around, and fly back? The man land, walk around, and fly back? The man in 1600 would have no idea what you're in 1600 would have no idea what you're in 1600 would have no idea what you're talking about. He'd say, "We we we we we talking about. He'd say, "We we we we we talking about. He'd say, "We we we we we can't even have have have flight in into can't even have have have flight in into can't even have have have flight in into uh 5 ft off the ground, let alone space uh 5 ft off the ground, let alone space uh 5 ft off the ground, let alone space flight." And so, it would have made no flight." And so, it would have made no flight." And so, it would have made no sense, but then you go forward 500 years sense, but then you go forward 500 years sense, but then you go forward 500 years and things change. So, in 500 years and things change. So, in 500 years and things change. So, in 500 years things may change, but for right now we things may change, but for right now we things may change, but for right now we have no idea where life came from, and have no idea where life came from, and have no idea where life came from, and we're not getting any closer to figuring we're not getting any closer to figuring we're not getting any closer to figuring it out because what you do is you look it out because what you do is you look it out because what you do is you look at the target. The target is to be able at the target. The target is to be able at the target. The target is to be able to figure out where life came from, and to figure out where life came from, and to figure out where life came from, and every week every year we might move a every week every year we might move a every week every year we might move a nanometer closer, but the target of life nanometer closer, but the target of life nanometer closer, but the target of life gets further out because the complexity gets further out because the complexity gets further out because the complexity of what we have to make is not because of what we have to make is not because of what we have to make is not because the cell has evolved. It is it is purely the cell has evolved. It is it is purely the cell has evolved. It is it is purely because uh this this uh uh we understand because uh this this uh uh we understand because uh this this uh uh we understand more of the complexity of the cell that more of the complexity of the cell that more of the complexity of the cell that we would have to solve to get this to we would have to solve to get this to we would have to solve to get this to work. So, when the target is moving away work. So, when the target is moving away work. So, when the target is moving away much faster than you are approaching it, much faster than you are approaching it, much faster than you are approaching it, that's how you know you know we're close that's how you know you know we're close that's how you know you know we're close to solving this problem.

to solving this problem. to solving this problem. >> So, are you saying that there is no >> So, are you saying that there is no >> So, are you saying that there is no evidence to prove the existence of uh evidence to prove the existence of uh evidence to prove the existence of uh so-called evolution? so-called evolution? so-called evolution? >> No, that's a totally different topic. We >> No, that's a totally different topic. We >> No, that's a totally different topic. We were talking about origin of life a were talking about origin of life a were talking about origin of life a minute ago. So, when you talk about minute ago. So, when you talk about minute ago. So, when you talk about evolution, that is how you go from Luca, evolution, that is how you go from Luca, evolution, that is how you go from Luca, the last universal common ancestor, the the last universal common ancestor, the the last universal common ancestor, the the progenitor cell for all of the life the progenitor cell for all of the life the progenitor cell for all of the life we see today. How do you go from that we see today. How do you go from that we see today. How do you go from that first cell to the complexity of life first cell to the complexity of life first cell to the complexity of life that we see today? That's a question of that we see today? That's a question of that we see today? That's a question of evolution. That we have very little evolution. That we have very little evolution. That we have very little insight on how that problem was solved. insight on how that problem was solved. insight on how that problem was solved. Very little insight. Yes, there there Very little insight. Yes, there there Very little insight. Yes, there there are real holes in the fossil record when are real holes in the fossil record when are real holes in the fossil record when you have something called body plan you have something called body plan you have something called body plan changes. To go from an invertebrate to a changes. To go from an invertebrate to a changes. To go from an invertebrate to a vertebrate. vertebrate. vertebrate. Real real real lack in in in Real real real lack in in in Real real real lack in in in in in the the the fossil record. But the in in the the the fossil record. But the in in the the the fossil record. But the fossil fossil record is is is is not not fossil fossil record is is is is not not fossil fossil record is is is is not not very high confidence data anyway. But very high confidence data anyway. But very high confidence data anyway. But what we can do is we can study at the what we can do is we can study at the what we can do is we can study at the genome level. In the genome level, you genome level. In the genome level, you genome level. In the genome level, you make a couple of changes in a gene and make a couple of changes in a gene and make a couple of changes in a gene and and and and it leads to generally very deleterious it leads to generally very deleterious it leads to generally very deleterious things. We've studied fruit flies things. We've studied fruit flies things. We've studied fruit flies through many tens of thousands of years through many tens of thousands of years through many tens of thousands of years of potential generation if it were of potential generation if it were of potential generation if it were extrapolated to human because the fruit extrapolated to human because the fruit extrapolated to human because the fruit flies will will will have new offspring flies will will will have new offspring flies will will will have new offspring every day. We've studied bacteria that every day. We've studied bacteria that every day. We've studied bacteria that double their population every every 20 double their population every every 20 double their population every every 20 minutes. And we've never seen body plan minutes. And we've never seen body plan minutes. And we've never seen body plan changes. We've never the bacterium stays changes. We've never the bacterium stays changes. We've never the bacterium stays a bacterium.

a bacterium. a bacterium. And do they you you get small And do they you you get small And do they you you get small permutations, small mutations? permutations, small mutations? permutations, small mutations? Absolutely. This microevolution, Absolutely. This microevolution, Absolutely. This microevolution, absolutely. You see that all the time. absolutely. You see that all the time. absolutely. You see that all the time. But to get body plan changes, we've But to get body plan changes, we've But to get body plan changes, we've never seen. So there are problems with never seen. So there are problems with never seen. So there are problems with evolution, but but it's a separate evolution, but but it's a separate evolution, but but it's a separate that's a separate question than that of that's a separate question than that of that's a separate question than that of origin of life. origin of life. origin of life. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. Well, I I know that this often comes up, Well, I I know that this often comes up, Well, I I know that this often comes up, you know, that I I talk with people you know, that I I talk with people you know, that I I talk with people about this. They they they connect the about this. They they they connect the about this. They they they connect the the two issues. And they also connect the two issues. And they also connect the two issues. And they also connect the issue about where matter comes from the issue about where matter comes from the issue about where matter comes from in in the first place. in in the first place. in in the first place. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And it isn't this addressed in the the >> And it isn't this addressed in the the >> And it isn't this addressed in the the the movie that you been in part of about the movie that you been in part of about the movie that you been in part of about the story of everything? the story of everything? the story of everything? Uh isn't the the origins of life Uh isn't the the origins of life Uh isn't the the origins of life addressing this? And and is it explained addressing this? And and is it explained addressing this? And and is it explained uh or talk about this concept about a uh or talk about this concept about a uh or talk about this concept about a creator being the one starting this creator being the one starting this creator being the one starting this whole process? whole process? whole process? >> Well, the the story of everything is a >> Well, the the story of everything is a >> Well, the the story of everything is a movie that just just appeared in movie that just just appeared in movie that just just appeared in theaters. It just ran for 1 week and theaters. It just ran for 1 week and theaters. It just ran for 1 week and then in a few months from now it'll be then in a few months from now it'll be then in a few months from now it'll be available on digital format and available on digital format and available on digital format and downloads. And and you can find out more downloads. And and you can find out more downloads. And and you can find out more about that at the about that at the about that at the storyofeverything.film.

storyofeverything.film. storyofeverything.film. The storyofeverything.film. The storyofeverything.film. The storyofeverything.film. Now, that that that was a production put Now, that that that was a production put Now, that that that was a production put together by Stephen Meyer and I I they together by Stephen Meyer and I I they together by Stephen Meyer and I I they interviewed me for about 40 minutes for interviewed me for about 40 minutes for interviewed me for about 40 minutes for that video. that video. that video. And I think I'm in the in the movie for And I think I'm in the in the movie for And I think I'm in the in the movie for about 1 minute which shows you the about 1 minute which shows you the about 1 minute which shows you the quality of of what I had to say. quality of of what I had to say. quality of of what I had to say. Apparently it Apparently it Apparently it didn't go over very well. But didn't go over very well. But didn't go over very well. But the the the the the the it has three different things it it has three different things it it has three different things it addresses. One is the origin of the addresses. One is the origin of the addresses. One is the origin of the universe. So prior to the universe. So prior to the universe. So prior to the prior to 19 prior to 19 prior to 19 1964 in the 1950s 1964 in the 1950s 1964 in the 1950s the vast majority of scientists believed the vast majority of scientists believed the vast majority of scientists believed that the universe was eternal. that the universe was eternal. that the universe was eternal. That it had it it it had always been. That it had it it it had always been. That it had it it it had always been. Which is kind of a very difficult thing Which is kind of a very difficult thing Which is kind of a very difficult thing to think about because nothing burns to think about because nothing burns to think about because nothing burns forever. You you get to heat that. So forever. You you get to heat that. So forever. You you get to heat that. So our sun could not have been our sun could not have been our sun could not have been around forever. Things burn out. But but around forever. Things burn out. But but around forever. Things burn out. But but that was the prevailing view. And then that was the prevailing view. And then that was the prevailing view. And then in 1964 with the record of in 1964 with the record of in 1964 with the record of microwave background radiation that microwave background radiation that microwave background radiation that confirmed it for scientists the universe confirmed it for scientists the universe confirmed it for scientists the universe actually had a definite beginning. And actually had a definite beginning. And actually had a definite beginning. And that definite beginning to the universe that definite beginning to the universe that definite beginning to the universe from what scientists who work in that from what scientists who work in that from what scientists who work in that area I don't work in that area so I area I don't work in that area so I area I don't work in that area so I can't vet this number but scientists can't vet this number but scientists can't vet this number but scientists that work in that area say that it's that work in that area say that it's that work in that area say that it's it's about 14 billion years old and they it's about 14 billion years old and they it's about 14 billion years old and they can track it back actually actually to a can track it back actually actually to a can track it back actually actually to a very precise time very precise time very precise time and and to the first fractions of a and and to the first fractions of a and and to the first fractions of a second that the universe formed. So so second that the universe formed. So so second that the universe formed. So so scientists embraced that that yes the

scientists embraced that that yes the scientists embraced that that yes the universe has an origin and that matches universe has an origin and that matches universe has an origin and that matches up with the Bible and many many up with the Bible and many many up with the Bible and many many scientists they said they didn't like scientists they said they didn't like scientists they said they didn't like this idea of there being an origin of this idea of there being an origin of this idea of there being an origin of the universe of the universe because the universe of the universe because the universe of the universe because that that smacks too much of what the that that smacks too much of what the that that smacks too much of what the Bible says. We're we're we're we have an Bible says. We're we're we're we have an Bible says. We're we're we're we have an origin point origin point origin point an original point that that we haven't an original point that that we haven't an original point that that we haven't always been but now that's been proven. always been but now that's been proven. always been but now that's been proven. The second thing that it looks at is the The second thing that it looks at is the The second thing that it looks at is the fine-tuning of the universe. So if you fine-tuning of the universe. So if you fine-tuning of the universe. So if you look at the fine-tuning if you look at the fine-tuning if you look at the fine-tuning if you we we would never have we we would never have we we would never have the world that we have. We would never the world that we have. We would never the world that we have. We would never have the galaxy that we have. We would have the galaxy that we have. We would have the galaxy that we have. We would never have the universe with planets and never have the universe with planets and never have the universe with planets and suns and stars and galaxies if things suns and stars and galaxies if things suns and stars and galaxies if things were not finely tuned. I'm talking about were not finely tuned. I'm talking about were not finely tuned. I'm talking about the the smallest portion of a the the smallest portion of a the the smallest portion of a fraction that you can think of. If you fraction that you can think of. If you fraction that you can think of. If you didn't have a dozen different different didn't have a dozen different different didn't have a dozen different different fine-tunings to be just right either fine-tunings to be just right either fine-tunings to be just right either stars wouldn't be able to form or things stars wouldn't be able to form or things stars wouldn't be able to form or things would start forming into into black would start forming into into black would start forming into into black holes and and you'd never get this holes and and you'd never get this holes and and you'd never get this universe. You'd never get the formation universe. You'd never get the formation universe. You'd never get the formation of different elements. There's hundred of different elements. There's hundred of different elements. There's hundred or so elements in the periodic table or so elements in the periodic table or so elements in the periodic table which allows for the richness of so much which allows for the richness of so much which allows for the richness of so much of what we see. That that never would of what we see. That that never would of what we see. That that never would have formed. You'd just have very small have formed. You'd just have very small have formed. You'd just have very small atoms. You'd never have the building of atoms. You'd never have the building of atoms. You'd never have the building of atoms. So it addresses the fine-tuning atoms. So it addresses the fine-tuning atoms. So it addresses the fine-tuning of the universe and the third point it of the universe and the third point it of the universe and the third point it addresses is origin of life.

addresses is origin of life. addresses is origin of life. So what once you have the universe you So what once you have the universe you So what once you have the universe you have this fine-tuning where did life have this fine-tuning where did life have this fine-tuning where did life come from? And that's where I was come from? And that's where I was come from? And that's where I was brought into the movie to talk about the brought into the movie to talk about the brought into the movie to talk about the problems with the origin of life. And so problems with the origin of life. And so problems with the origin of life. And so what the movie does is it presents a lot what the movie does is it presents a lot what the movie does is it presents a lot of scientists that have a lot of of scientists that have a lot of of scientists that have a lot of questions about this sort of thing questions about this sort of thing questions about this sort of thing saying hey the fine-tuning certainly saying hey the fine-tuning certainly saying hey the fine-tuning certainly seems like it was there's a design here seems like it was there's a design here seems like it was there's a design here because the chances of these things because the chances of these things because the chances of these things coming about on their own is so coming about on their own is so coming about on their own is so infinitesimally small. And and even if infinitesimally small. And and even if infinitesimally small. And and even if you want to try to say you have an you want to try to say you have an you want to try to say you have an infinite number of universes there's infinite number of universes there's infinite number of universes there's real problems with that. And and and real problems with that. And and and real problems with that. And and and then we talk about the origin of life then we talk about the origin of life then we talk about the origin of life and all the problems of that. And so and all the problems of that. And so and all the problems of that. And so that's that's in that movie and it's that's that's in that movie and it's that's that's in that movie and it's showing a bunch of different scientists showing a bunch of different scientists showing a bunch of different scientists that are that are saying there's real that are that are saying there's real that are that are saying there's real problems. And what you've seen now that problems. And what you've seen now that problems. And what you've seen now that the movie was out for a week, what you the movie was out for a week, what you the movie was out for a week, what you saw is that you saw the critiques of saw is that you saw the critiques of saw is that you saw the critiques of this. There was nothing nothing this. There was nothing nothing this. There was nothing nothing contesting the data, the things that contesting the data, the things that contesting the data, the things that were presented by the scientists in that were presented by the scientists in that were presented by the scientists in that movie. Everything was ad hominem attack. movie. Everything was ad hominem attack. movie. Everything was ad hominem attack. They were attacking the scientists They were attacking the scientists They were attacking the scientists themselves, which is a tell, which is a themselves, which is a tell, which is a themselves, which is a tell, which is a which is a which is a testimony in which is a which is a testimony in which is a which is a testimony in itself that we were right over the itself that we were right over the itself that we were right over the target, that we were hitting this thing target, that we were hitting this thing target, that we were hitting this thing and and and and and and a a materialist mindset has real a a materialist mindset has real a a materialist mindset has real problems with this. So, all they can do problems with this. So, all they can do problems with this. So, all they can do is try to criticize the scientists or is try to criticize the scientists or is try to criticize the scientists or criticize the the people that that criticize the the people that that criticize the the people that that supported or produced the movie. They supported or produced the movie. They supported or produced the movie. They are not contesting with the content of are not contesting with the content of are not contesting with the content of the movie.

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the fine-tuning. the fine-tuning. >> So, from all the evidence that you have >> So, from all the evidence that you have >> So, from all the evidence that you have seen seen seen in chemistry and otherwise, does it in chemistry and otherwise, does it in chemistry and otherwise, does it point to a creator? And if it does, what point to a creator? And if it does, what point to a creator? And if it does, what impact does that does that that have on impact does that does that that have on impact does that does that that have on scientists in general? scientists in general? scientists in general? >> Okay, so I never use the creator >> Okay, so I never use the creator >> Okay, so I never use the creator argument when I talk about the problems argument when I talk about the problems argument when I talk about the problems of origin of life. I just look at the of origin of life. I just look at the of origin of life. I just look at the science as it's been as it's known and I science as it's been as it's known and I science as it's been as it's known and I show that the science itself screams out show that the science itself screams out show that the science itself screams out that origin of life, based on the way that origin of life, based on the way that origin of life, based on the way people propose it, could not have worked people propose it, could not have worked people propose it, could not have worked that way. That scientists remain that way. That scientists remain that way. That scientists remain clueless. It's the science itself. Now, clueless. It's the science itself. Now, clueless. It's the science itself. Now, I am a I I I believe that that that I am a I I I believe that that that I am a I I I believe that that that there is a God in heaven. I believe that there is a God in heaven. I believe that there is a God in heaven. I believe that his son's name is Jesus Christ. I his son's name is Jesus Christ. I his son's name is Jesus Christ. I believe that he is savior of the world. believe that he is savior of the world. believe that he is savior of the world. I never bring that into my classroom in I never bring that into my classroom in I never bring that into my classroom in this secular university. I never bring this secular university. I never bring this secular university. I never bring that into my science. But, it certainly that into my science. But, it certainly that into my science. But, it certainly would look like when you have all of would look like when you have all of would look like when you have all of this fine-tuning and we are clueless on this fine-tuning and we are clueless on this fine-tuning and we are clueless on on life's origin and and it certainly on life's origin and and it certainly on life's origin and and it certainly looks like like yes, there's there's a looks like like yes, there's there's a looks like like yes, there's there's a hand of a creator here.

hand of a creator here. hand of a creator here. That's what it certainly looks like. But That's what it certainly looks like. But That's what it certainly looks like. But again, I never generally use those again, I never generally use those again, I never generally use those arguments because I just I want to hold arguments because I just I want to hold arguments because I just I want to hold my my colleagues to the same scientific my my colleagues to the same scientific my my colleagues to the same scientific standards that that that I would hold standards that that that I would hold standards that that that I would hold myself. And just using the tools that we myself. And just using the tools that we myself. And just using the tools that we have, can you suggest where life came have, can you suggest where life came have, can you suggest where life came from? And we have no idea where life from? And we have no idea where life from? And we have no idea where life came from. So, I I don't need to invoke came from. So, I I don't need to invoke came from. So, I I don't need to invoke that to talk about the problems of that to talk about the problems of that to talk about the problems of current day science. But, uh if you were current day science. But, uh if you were current day science. But, uh if you were to ask me my my opinion, my opinion to ask me my my opinion, my opinion to ask me my my opinion, my opinion would be yes, that God created the would be yes, that God created the would be yes, that God created the heavens and the earth and he's told us heavens and the earth and he's told us heavens and the earth and he's told us about how he did that in the Bible in about how he did that in the Bible in about how he did that in the Bible in the book of Genesis, but it's very the book of Genesis, but it's very the book of Genesis, but it's very light. It's very light on that. In other light. It's very light on that. In other light. It's very light on that. In other words, he didn't give us the details of words, he didn't give us the details of words, he didn't give us the details of how the molecules came together. He how the molecules came together. He how the molecules came together. He didn't give us the details of how all didn't give us the details of how all didn't give us the details of how all these the the the chirality of the these the the the chirality of the these the the the chirality of the stereochemistry of the molecules. And stereochemistry of the molecules. And stereochemistry of the molecules. And that's what science does. That's what we that's what science does. That's what we that's what science does. That's what we want to investigate. And so that's why want to investigate. And so that's why want to investigate. And so that's why we investigate these sorts of things. we investigate these sorts of things. we investigate these sorts of things. That there's a lot left out of the Bible That there's a lot left out of the Bible That there's a lot left out of the Bible and that's what scientists investigate. and that's what scientists investigate. and that's what scientists investigate. >> So I see the value of science. I know >> So I see the value of science. I know >> So I see the value of science. I know without without science without without without science without without without science without exploring these issues we wouldn't have exploring these issues we wouldn't have exploring these issues we wouldn't have all the conveniences that we have today all the conveniences that we have today all the conveniences that we have today and I I would assume that a lot of and I I would assume that a lot of and I I would assume that a lot of people would not want to give up those people would not want to give up those people would not want to give up those conveniences conveniences conveniences they enjoy they enjoy they enjoy you know all the benefits of science and you know all the benefits of science and you know all the benefits of science and and and and thank you Dr. Tour for thank you Dr. Tour for thank you Dr. Tour for your your work in that area and for all your your work in that area and for all your your work in that area and for all that you know that you know that you know gives us websites for people to get more gives us websites for people to get more gives us websites for people to get more information

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