Why Scientists Won't Debate the Origin of Life

>> The way that I became aware of you and >> The way that I became aware of you and all of your work is through I guess I all of your work is through I guess I all of your work is through I guess I don't know if you call them debates or don't know if you call them debates or don't know if you call them debates or discussions, but discussions, but discussions, but you would have with often times you would have with often times you would have with often times materialists, atheists, where you would materialists, atheists, where you would materialists, atheists, where you would talk about the science and you because talk about the science and you because talk about the science and you because of your, you know, your of your, you know, your of your, you know, your education and your insights and your education and your insights and your education and your insights and your position, you were able to talk to them position, you were able to talk to them position, you were able to talk to them as a peer if not as a mentor. And then, as a peer if not as a mentor. And then, as a peer if not as a mentor. And then, and I found this really interesting, you and I found this really interesting, you and I found this really interesting, you would give us insight into what was would give us insight into what was would give us insight into what was happening behind closed doors amongst happening behind closed doors amongst happening behind closed doors amongst scientists. And you were the first scientists. And you were the first scientists. And you were the first person that I'd ever heard say, "Okay, person that I'd ever heard say, "Okay, person that I'd ever heard say, "Okay, by the way, um here's what we're by the way, um here's what we're by the way, um here's what we're actually talking about." Because as a actually talking about." Because as a actually talking about." Because as a person who knows nothing about science, person who knows nothing about science, person who knows nothing about science, doesn't have any you were able to go, doesn't have any you were able to go, doesn't have any you were able to go, "Let me tell you what we actually think "Let me tell you what we actually think "Let me tell you what we actually think about these things." And so about these things." And so about these things." And so >> Origin of life and stuff like that. >> Origin of life and stuff like that. >> Origin of life and stuff like that. >> Yeah, yeah, things like that and >> Yeah, yeah, things like that and >> Yeah, yeah, things like that and evolution. And so, I know you have a evolution. And so, I know you have a evolution. And so, I know you have a couple questions about that probably, couple questions about that probably, couple questions about that probably, but I want to make sure we we don't miss but I want to make sure we we don't miss but I want to make sure we we don't miss that cuz that's important, I think. that cuz that's important, I think. that cuz that's important, I think. >> Yeah, so uh >> Yeah, so uh >> Yeah, so uh one of the things that that I have one of the things that that I have one of the things that that I have discussions with the students is about, discussions with the students is about, discussions with the students is about, you know, macroevolution. It's kind of you know, macroevolution. It's kind of you know, macroevolution. It's kind of taught like gospel, you know, taught like gospel, you know, taught like gospel, you know, in in our educational system around in in our educational system around in in our educational system around here. And the more that I've gone to here. And the more that I've gone to here. And the more that I've gone to study it and listen to some of your study it and listen to some of your study it and listen to some of your talks, stuff like that, I realize that talks, stuff like that, I realize that talks, stuff like that, I realize that there's some there's some there's some huge faults in it and that it maybe it's huge faults in it and that it maybe it's huge faults in it and that it maybe it's kind of losing confidence. Could you kind of losing confidence. Could you kind of losing confidence. Could you talk about maybe some of the the holes talk about maybe some of the the holes talk about maybe some of the the holes in some of macroevolution and all of in some of macroevolution and all of in some of macroevolution and all of that?

that? that? >> So so um >> So so um >> So so um you know, taking these two questions you know, taking these two questions you know, taking these two questions together and it it I want to try to together and it it I want to try to together and it it I want to try to answer them both. answer them both. answer them both. Is that is that um you know, one time I Is that is that um you know, one time I Is that is that um you know, one time I engaged a YouTuber and I'll never do engaged a YouTuber and I'll never do engaged a YouTuber and I'll never do that again because I he he couldn't that again because I he he couldn't that again because I he he couldn't understand me. Everything that I would understand me. Everything that I would understand me. Everything that I would say But to the scientists, they understand. But to the scientists, they understand. And so, I had that one discussion with And so, I had that one discussion with And so, I had that one discussion with Lee Cronin at Harvard. Lee Cronin at Harvard. Lee Cronin at Harvard. And and And and And and he couldn't address a single thing that he couldn't address a single thing that he couldn't address a single thing that I said. And I knew he wouldn't be able I said. And I knew he wouldn't be able I said. And I knew he wouldn't be able to. I mean, it's to. I mean, it's to. I mean, it's And when you talk to a scientist and you And when you talk to a scientist and you And when you talk to a scientist and you really know the science, really know the science, really know the science, they can't just snowball you. None of they can't just snowball you. None of they can't just snowball you. None of these just-so stories. these just-so stories. these just-so stories. >> To give a little context, you put out a >> To give a little context, you put out a >> To give a little context, you put out a challenge for our scientists, right? So, challenge for our scientists, right? So, challenge for our scientists, right? So, maybe give them a little bit insight maybe give them a little bit insight maybe give them a little bit insight into that. into that. into that. >> So, I put out a challenge. I said, you >> So, I put out a challenge. I said, you >> So, I put out a challenge. I said, you know, and I and I called them out by know, and I and I called them out by know, and I and I called them out by name. I said, "Here's 10 scientists that name. I said, "Here's 10 scientists that name. I said, "Here's 10 scientists that work in the area of origin of life. work in the area of origin of life. work in the area of origin of life. Here Here's Here's uh uh three Here Here's Here's uh uh three Here Here's Here's uh uh three questions. Three questions I put before questions. Three questions I put before questions. Three questions I put before you." I don't know if it was three or you." I don't know if it was three or you." I don't know if it was three or five questions I put before you. "If you five questions I put before you. "If you five questions I put before you. "If you can answer any one of these, which each can answer any one of these, which each can answer any one of these, which each one of these is crucial, if you go if one of these is crucial, if you go if one of these is crucial, if you go if you're going to tell me you know the you're going to tell me you know the you're going to tell me you know the your how life came about, answer any one your how life came about, answer any one your how life came about, answer any one of them, I'll never talk publicly about of them, I'll never talk publicly about of them, I'll never talk publicly about origin of life again."

origin of life again." origin of life again." And it's got it's some some Christian And it's got it's some some Christian And it's got it's some some Christian friends, "Oh, friends, "Oh, friends, "Oh, >> Did you even put money on the line? Like >> Did you even put money on the line? Like >> Did you even put money on the line? Like like a I'll give you some like So, I'll like a I'll give you some like So, I'll like a I'll give you some like So, I'll give you a company. give you a company. give you a company. >> I'll give you Yeah, I'll give you one of >> I'll give you Yeah, I'll give you one of >> I'll give you Yeah, I'll give you one of my companies. Well, maybe he didn't say my companies. Well, maybe he didn't say my companies. Well, maybe he didn't say that, but that, but that, but >> I I I I didn't put money on the line in >> I I I I didn't put money on the line in >> I I I I didn't put money on the line in the open thing. I said, "I'll just stop the open thing. I said, "I'll just stop the open thing. I said, "I'll just stop talking about and I'll stop bothering talking about and I'll stop bothering talking about and I'll stop bothering you guys and I'll go away." you guys and I'll go away." you guys and I'll go away." And and uh look, I'm an organic chemist. And and uh look, I'm an organic chemist. And and uh look, I'm an organic chemist. I know how to write an exam that nobody I know how to write an exam that nobody I know how to write an exam that nobody can answer. This is what [laughter] I I can answer. This is what [laughter] I I can answer. This is what [laughter] I I know how to do this. And I knew none of know how to do this. And I knew none of know how to do this. And I knew none of them could answer this. So, none of them them could answer this. So, none of them them could answer this. So, none of them came forward. Most And then I emailed came forward. Most And then I emailed came forward. Most And then I emailed them too to make sure they saw this and them too to make sure they saw this and them too to make sure they saw this and and I told their students to and I told their students to and I told their students to encourage them to listen to And most of encourage them to listen to And most of encourage them to listen to And most of them wouldn't even email me back. Lee them wouldn't even email me back. Lee them wouldn't even email me back. Lee Cronin, to his credit, he emailed me Cronin, to his credit, he emailed me Cronin, to his credit, he emailed me back. He said, "Well, I think you're back. He said, "Well, I think you're back. He said, "Well, I think you're asking the wrong questions." And so, we asking the wrong questions." And so, we asking the wrong questions." And so, we got together at Harvard and we had a got together at Harvard and we had a got together at Harvard and we had a little discussion little discussion little discussion uh in front of the the faculty at uh in front of the the faculty at uh in front of the the faculty at Harvard and MIT got together at the the Harvard and MIT got together at the the Harvard and MIT got together at the the faculty club. But, I had to put a lot of faculty club. But, I had to put a lot of faculty club. But, I had to put a lot of money forward for that. He wouldn't pay money forward for that. He wouldn't pay money forward for that. He wouldn't pay anything. He, in fact, got an honorarium anything. He, in fact, got an honorarium anything. He, in fact, got an honorarium of several thousand dollars. He was just of several thousand dollars. He was just of several thousand dollars. He was just across the street at the time at another across the street at the time at another across the street at the time at another meeting. He came across to do this. I meeting. He came across to do this. I meeting. He came across to do this. I had to pay for the meal in the faculty had to pay for the meal in the faculty had to pay for the meal in the faculty club. I mean, the entire and the film club. I mean, the entire and the film club. I mean, the entire and the film crew and everything. It cost me about crew and everything. It cost me about crew and everything. It cost me about $30,000 to put this thing on. Yeah, $30,000 to put this thing on. Yeah, $30,000 to put this thing on. Yeah, yeah. And so he's it's it's totally yeah. And so he's it's it's totally yeah. And so he's it's it's totally asymmetric what you got to do with these asymmetric what you got to do with these asymmetric what you got to do with these guys to get them to engage. And he guys to get them to engage. And he guys to get them to engage. And he answered none of my questions and ever answered none of my questions and ever answered none of my questions and ever since then there's not a single one of since then there's not a single one of since then there's not a single one of them that will come to and sit with me.

them that will come to and sit with me. them that will come to and sit with me. And I've said, "Anybody who has a PhD And I've said, "Anybody who has a PhD And I've said, "Anybody who has a PhD because if you don't have the PhD, you because if you don't have the PhD, you because if you don't have the PhD, you don't speak the language and works in don't speak the language and works in don't speak the language and works in this era of origin of life, come and this era of origin of life, come and this era of origin of life, come and have the discussion with me." And the have the discussion with me." And the have the discussion with me." And the same thing happened with with Brett same thing happened with with Brett same thing happened with with Brett Weinstein. Weinstein. Weinstein. Many of you may may watch him. A nice Many of you may may watch him. A nice Many of you may may watch him. A nice guy. He's a friend of mine. I know him. guy. He's a friend of mine. I know him. guy. He's a friend of mine. I know him. I've had dinner with him. And and I made I've had dinner with him. And and I made I've had dinner with him. And and I made some comments. He's all Jim Tour said some comments. He's all Jim Tour said some comments. He's all Jim Tour said this. Let me show you with it. this. Let me show you with it. this. Let me show you with it. And I said, "Brett." And I sent him an And I said, "Brett." And I sent him an And I said, "Brett." And I sent him an email to two different of his emails. email to two different of his emails. email to two different of his emails. Said, "Why don't we get together Said, "Why don't we get together Said, "Why don't we get together publicly and talk about this? You say publicly and talk about this? You say publicly and talk about this? You say all you want to say." I said, "You know, all you want to say." I said, "You know, all you want to say." I said, "You know, we're friends. We get on my YouTube we're friends. We get on my YouTube we're friends. We get on my YouTube channel. I'll go on your YouTube channel. I'll go on your YouTube channel. I'll go on your YouTube channel. We'll go anywhere you want." channel. We'll go anywhere you want." channel. We'll go anywhere you want." You won't even respond. So they won't You won't even respond. So they won't You won't even respond. So they won't respond back. Now, when I get them alone respond back. Now, when I get them alone respond back. Now, when I get them alone in a room, when I get my colleagues in a room, when I get my colleagues in a room, when I get my colleagues alone in a room, they say, "Jim, I agree alone in a room, they say, "Jim, I agree alone in a room, they say, "Jim, I agree with you. with you. with you. I agree with you, but don't tell people I agree with you, but don't tell people I agree with you, but don't tell people out there." out there." out there." So and I asked him, "Do you understand So and I asked him, "Do you understand So and I asked him, "Do you understand where these things came from? And and do where these things came from? And and do where these things came from? And and do you understand? I mean, the origin of you understand? I mean, the origin of you understand? I mean, the origin of DNA? I mean, what DNA? I mean, what DNA? I mean, what Jim, we have no idea.

Jim, we have no idea. Jim, we have no idea. >> If you do not believe in the physical >> If you do not believe in the physical >> If you do not believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ, [music] resurrection of Jesus Christ, [music] resurrection of Jesus Christ, [music] send me an email [email protected] and we will get together and I will and we will get together and I will share with you about why I embrace the share with you about why I embrace the share with you about why I embrace the resurrection of Jesus. resurrection of Jesus. resurrection of Jesus. >> I have no idea. >> I have no idea. >> I have no idea. >> I remember hearing you say this and >> I remember hearing you say this and >> I remember hearing you say this and you know, maybe you're not interested in you know, maybe you're not interested in you know, maybe you're not interested in this and this is all kind of foreign to this and this is all kind of foreign to this and this is all kind of foreign to you, but this is a world that we live in you, but this is a world that we live in you, but this is a world that we live in especially as we deal with our own especially as we deal with our own especially as we deal with our own doubts and our students and our doubts and our students and our doubts and our students and our attendees of doubts. And hearing you say attendees of doubts. And hearing you say attendees of doubts. And hearing you say that going, "Okay, so in my world, which that going, "Okay, so in my world, which that going, "Okay, so in my world, which is amongst the top scientists, they will is amongst the top scientists, they will is amongst the top scientists, they will never tell you this, but I get to sit never tell you this, but I get to sit never tell you this, but I get to sit with them and here's what they're with them and here's what they're with them and here's what they're telling you." And you just go, "Oh, telling you." And you just go, "Oh, telling you." And you just go, "Oh, >> Yeah, they're telling you like I >> Yeah, they're telling you like I >> Yeah, they're telling you like I >> And I mean once I was called in by the >> And I mean once I was called in by the >> And I mean once I was called in by the dean and And he said, "And it's a Jerry, dean and And he said, "And it's a Jerry, dean and And he said, "And it's a Jerry, let me ask you a question. let me ask you a question. let me ask you a question. Do you know where these things came Do you know where these things came Do you know where these things came from? Do you know?" And he just sat from? Do you know?" And he just sat from? Do you know?" And he just sat there and looked at me. there and looked at me. there and looked at me. He wouldn't say a word. I had a Nobel He wouldn't say a word. I had a Nobel He wouldn't say a word. I had a Nobel Prize winner in my office. I said, "Let Prize winner in my office. I said, "Let Prize winner in my office. I said, "Let me Let me ask you. Do you know where me Let me ask you. Do you know where me Let me ask you. Do you know where this There was a guy in the National this There was a guy in the National this There was a guy in the National Academy of Science and a Nobel Prize Academy of Science and a Nobel Prize Academy of Science and a Nobel Prize winner. I said, "Look guys, you you winner. I said, "Look guys, you you winner. I said, "Look guys, you you you're coming against me for this? Let's you're coming against me for this? Let's you're coming against me for this? Let's talk about this. Tell me where this talk about this. Tell me where this talk about this. Tell me where this thing Do you understand this?"

thing Do you understand this?" thing Do you understand this?" He said nothing. So, no no word is word He said nothing. So, no no word is word He said nothing. So, no no word is word in itself. Let me just say one thing in itself. Let me just say one thing in itself. Let me just say one thing about this. I know many people aren't about this. I know many people aren't about this. I know many people aren't interested in this, but you really ought interested in this, but you really ought interested in this, but you really ought to be. And the really the reason you to be. And the really the reason you to be. And the really the reason you ought to be is because people you love ought to be is because people you love ought to be is because people you love are drawn away from God because of this. are drawn away from God because of this. are drawn away from God because of this. They learn things in school and they They learn things in school and they They learn things in school and they stop respecting the Bible because of stop respecting the Bible because of stop respecting the Bible because of this. And that's why we all need to be this. And that's why we all need to be this. And that's why we all need to be interested. interested. interested. >> So, what he's what he's referring to >> So, what he's what he's referring to >> So, what he's what he's referring to here is you probably learned in school here is you probably learned in school here is you probably learned in school somewhere along the lines this picture somewhere along the lines this picture somewhere along the lines this picture from I think it is in the 50s where you from I think it is in the 50s where you from I think it is in the 50s where you had this had this had this >> Hominocent >> Hominocent >> Hominocent >> on this lightning strikes, molecules >> on this lightning strikes, molecules >> on this lightning strikes, molecules come together, these little creatures come together, these little creatures come together, these little creatures form cells, creatures come coming out in form cells, creatures come coming out in form cells, creatures come coming out in it. Do you know where that came from? it. Do you know where that came from? it. Do you know where that came from? It's not from the 1950s. Darwin spoke It's not from the 1950s. Darwin spoke It's not from the 1950s. Darwin spoke about this, but it was before him. It's about this, but it was before him. It's about this, but it was before him. It's from the Babylonians. And their gods from the Babylonians. And their gods from the Babylonians. And their gods came out of that pond, too. That's the came out of that pond, too. That's the came out of that pond, too. That's the same stinking little pond from the same stinking little pond from the same stinking little pond from the Babylonians [laughter] Babylonians [laughter] Babylonians [laughter] from 500 BC. And they still from 500 BC. And they still from 500 BC. And they still say that say that say that Lee Cronin said that I said this is a Lee Cronin said that I said this is a Lee Cronin said that I said this is a This is a good model. I said, "What's a This is a good model. I said, "What's a This is a good model. I said, "What's a good model? How's that a good model?"

good model? How's that a good model?" good model? How's that a good model?" You You know, so so yeah. You You know, so so yeah. You You know, so so yeah. >> So, your your contention then is that >> So, your your contention then is that >> So, your your contention then is that doesn't work. That's a That's a fairy doesn't work. That's a That's a fairy doesn't work. That's a That's a fairy tale. You have no evidence of it and you tale. You have no evidence of it and you tale. You have no evidence of it and you can't even give me the first steps in can't even give me the first steps in can't even give me the first steps in the process of how life would emerge the process of how life would emerge the process of how life would emerge because as a chemist you know what it because as a chemist you know what it because as a chemist you know what it takes in order for things to align so takes in order for things to align so takes in order for things to align so that life can emerge. that life can emerge. that life can emerge. >> Origin of life is a total mystery. On >> Origin of life is a total mystery. On >> Origin of life is a total mystery. On the evolution, you asked the question the evolution, you asked the question the evolution, you asked the question about macroevolution. Microevolution about macroevolution. Microevolution about macroevolution. Microevolution we see all the time. You see small we see all the time. You see small we see all the time. You see small changes within a species. You can even changes within a species. You can even changes within a species. You can even see speciation change. Sometimes a plant see speciation change. Sometimes a plant see speciation change. Sometimes a plant can double its genome and now you have a can double its genome and now you have a can double its genome and now you have a new species for some unexplained reason, new species for some unexplained reason, new species for some unexplained reason, but but but the plant remains plant, the bacterium the plant remains plant, the bacterium the plant remains plant, the bacterium remains a bacterium, the mouse remains a remains a bacterium, the mouse remains a remains a bacterium, the mouse remains a mouse, the fruit fly remains a fruit mouse, the fruit fly remains a fruit mouse, the fruit fly remains a fruit fly. fly. fly. Body plan changes, which are dramatic Body plan changes, which are dramatic Body plan changes, which are dramatic changes where you go from invertebrate, changes where you go from invertebrate, changes where you go from invertebrate, something that doesn't have a spine, something that doesn't have a spine, something that doesn't have a spine, to something that has a spine. You don't to something that has a spine. You don't to something that has a spine. You don't see that in the fossil record and and we see that in the fossil record and and we see that in the fossil record and and we have no explanation for these dramatic have no explanation for these dramatic have no explanation for these dramatic changes of which there there have to be changes of which there there have to be changes of which there there have to be so many of them. You never see so many of them. You never see so many of them. You never see see see see see see see an auditory system developing like this an auditory system developing like this an auditory system developing like this coming into existence where there was coming into existence where there was coming into existence where there was none. So these these large changes that none. So these these large changes that none. So these these large changes that we're all talked about one small change we're all talked about one small change we're all talked about one small change at a time. Everything is a just-so story at a time. Everything is a just-so story at a time. Everything is a just-so story and as soon as you ask them for detail, and as soon as you ask them for detail, and as soon as you ask them for detail, okay, tell me about that.

okay, tell me about that. okay, tell me about that. Tell me tell me about the genes that Tell me tell me about the genes that Tell me tell me about the genes that would have changed. How how many gene would have changed. How how many gene would have changed. How how many gene changes would you have to have to have changes would you have to have to have changes would you have to have to have that transformation? And tell me about that transformation? And tell me about that transformation? And tell me about how that would happen because every time how that would happen because every time how that would happen because every time that we change just two two of the the that we change just two two of the the that we change just two two of the the nucleotides in there, two, it can't nucleotides in there, two, it can't nucleotides in there, two, it can't recover from it. Tell me about this and recover from it. Tell me about this and recover from it. Tell me about this and everything starts to wither around the everything starts to wither around the everything starts to wither around the edges. edges. edges. >> So you're telling us >> So you're telling us >> So you're telling us throughout our entire educational system throughout our entire educational system throughout our entire educational system and all the textbooks that we read, and all the textbooks that we read, and all the textbooks that we read, there's a giant question mark over all there's a giant question mark over all there's a giant question mark over all those things. those things. those things. >> Yes, there's a giant question mark over >> Yes, there's a giant question mark over >> Yes, there's a giant question mark over all of those things. Certainly on origin all of those things. Certainly on origin all of those things. Certainly on origin of life, what we've been taught is a big of life, what we've been taught is a big of life, what we've been taught is a big fat lie. fat lie. fat lie. >> All right. All right, it's pretty clear. >> All right. All right, it's pretty clear. >> All right. All right, it's pretty clear. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. >> Evolution, there is certainly >> Evolution, there is certainly >> Evolution, there is certainly microevolution occurring and that is microevolution occurring and that is microevolution occurring and that is good and that should continue to be good and that should continue to be good and that should continue to be taught. But as far as this this the the taught. But as far as this this the the taught. But as far as this this the the these these evolutions that that go these these evolutions that that go these these evolutions that that go where you see these dramatic body plan where you see these dramatic body plan where you see these dramatic body plan changes, changes, changes, it's very hard for me to fathom that.

it's very hard for me to fathom that. it's very hard for me to fathom that. And you would think that if it were so And you would think that if it were so And you would think that if it were so easy People say, "Oh, it's it's easy to easy People say, "Oh, it's it's easy to easy People say, "Oh, it's it's easy to understand." Okay, you would think that understand." Okay, you would think that understand." Okay, you would think that one of my one of my one of my colleagues in biology would say, "Jim, colleagues in biology would say, "Jim, colleagues in biology would say, "Jim, let me just take you out to lunch." And let me just take you out to lunch." And let me just take you out to lunch." And I did put a challenge I will buy lunch. I did put a challenge I will buy lunch. I did put a challenge I will buy lunch. I'll buy lunch. You just take me out to I'll buy lunch. You just take me out to I'll buy lunch. You just take me out to lunch and explain to me cuz it's so lunch and explain to me cuz it's so lunch and explain to me cuz it's so easy. So easy. Just explain it to me and easy. So easy. Just explain it to me and easy. So easy. Just explain it to me and I'll only ask questions when I don't I'll only ask questions when I don't I'll only ask questions when I don't understand something. There's only one understand something. There's only one understand something. There's only one guy that that invited me and I and I and guy that that invited me and I and I and guy that that invited me and I and I and I on my own money I flew out to I on my own money I flew out to I on my own money I flew out to uh uh uh his name's Joshua Swamidass, a wonderful his name's Joshua Swamidass, a wonderful his name's Joshua Swamidass, a wonderful believer. So we have a commonality of believer. So we have a commonality of believer. So we have a commonality of faith. We pray together on our knees, faith. We pray together on our knees, faith. We pray together on our knees, but he's trying to teach me these things but he's trying to teach me these things but he's trying to teach me these things and I say, "I just don't see it, Joshua. and I say, "I just don't see it, Joshua. and I say, "I just don't see it, Joshua. I just don't see it." You know, and and I just don't see it." You know, and and I just don't see it." You know, and and it goes into you know, he says, "Well, I it goes into you know, he says, "Well, I it goes into you know, he says, "Well, I said it's Give me the details. Show me said it's Give me the details. Show me said it's Give me the details. Show me the chemistry of what's happening. Stop the chemistry of what's happening. Stop the chemistry of what's happening. Stop this overall view. Show me the this overall view. Show me the this overall view. Show me the chemistry." He says, "Well, there's a chemistry." He says, "Well, there's a chemistry." He says, "Well, there's a gene change here and a gene change." But gene change here and a gene change." But gene change here and a gene change." But then you do the gene changes. You have then you do the gene changes. You have then you do the gene changes. You have to have dramatic changes and we always to have dramatic changes and we always to have dramatic changes and we always see that those destroy the organism. So see that those destroy the organism. So see that those destroy the organism. So so I just don't see it.

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