UAPs, The Occult, And The Spiritual Realm

help us out a little bit here. You are a help us out a little bit here. You are a physicist and at some point you went physicist and at some point you went physicist and at some point you went from seeing that within the field of from seeing that within the field of from seeing that within the field of physics itself, physics itself, physics itself, there are things that are not always there are things that are not always there are things that are not always material material material uh uh and and can you can you point to uh uh and and can you can you point to uh uh and and can you can you point to something that is not material even something that is not material even something that is not material even within the discipline of physics or within the discipline of physics or within the discipline of physics or astronomy? Well, when I was first uh astronomy? Well, when I was first uh astronomy? Well, when I was first uh checking out Christianity during my late checking out Christianity during my late checking out Christianity during my late teenage years, the thing that struck me teenage years, the thing that struck me teenage years, the thing that struck me were these space-time theorems, were these space-time theorems, were these space-time theorems, basically establishing that the universe basically establishing that the universe basically establishing that the universe has a beginning, but that the beginning has a beginning, but that the beginning has a beginning, but that the beginning includes the beginning of space and time includes the beginning of space and time includes the beginning of space and time itself, which means that the cause of itself, which means that the cause of itself, which means that the cause of the universe must be some entity that's the universe must be some entity that's the universe must be some entity that's operating beyond space, time, matter, operating beyond space, time, matter, operating beyond space, time, matter, and energy. To me, that's the clearest and energy. To me, that's the clearest and energy. To me, that's the clearest piece of evidence that there is piece of evidence that there is piece of evidence that there is something beyond this material universe. something beyond this material universe. something beyond this material universe. Naturalism can't be the whole story Naturalism can't be the whole story Naturalism can't be the whole story because we have these powerful because we have these powerful because we have these powerful space-time theorems that prove the cause space-time theorems that prove the cause space-time theorems that prove the cause of the universe is an entity beyond of the universe is an entity beyond of the universe is an entity beyond space, time, matter, and energy as we space, time, matter, and energy as we space, time, matter, and energy as we can observe it. Now, I've run into can observe it. Now, I've run into can observe it. Now, I've run into colleagues that say, "Well, we can find colleagues that say, "Well, we can find colleagues that say, "Well, we can find some way to explain the universe, but some way to explain the universe, but some way to explain the universe, but they're inventing other dimensions of they're inventing other dimensions of they're inventing other dimensions of space and time." So, the space-time space and time." So, the space-time space and time." So, the space-time dimensions we observe, they definitely dimensions we observe, they definitely dimensions we observe, they definitely have a beginning. They had to be created have a beginning. They had to be created have a beginning. They had to be created by something beyond space and time. And by something beyond space and time. And by something beyond space and time. And that's just the beginning. I mean, we that's just the beginning. I mean, we that's just the beginning. I mean, we were talking about the origin of life.

were talking about the origin of life. were talking about the origin of life. The fact that we can't explain the The fact that we can't explain the The fact that we can't explain the origin of life from a materialistic origin of life from a materialistic origin of life from a materialistic perspective. We can't explain the Avalon perspective. We can't explain the Avalon perspective. We can't explain the Avalon explosion of the first large animals explosion of the first large animals explosion of the first large animals that appeared or the Cameron explosion. that appeared or the Cameron explosion. that appeared or the Cameron explosion. I mean, the list goes on and on and on I mean, the list goes on and on and on I mean, the list goes on and on and on of things that can't be explained from a of things that can't be explained from a of things that can't be explained from a naturalistic perspective. And just two naturalistic perspective. And just two naturalistic perspective. And just two weeks ago, we held a workshop at Reasons weeks ago, we held a workshop at Reasons weeks ago, we held a workshop at Reasons to Believe on what's happening in to Believe on what's happening in to Believe on what's happening in evolutionary biology where they're now evolutionary biology where they're now evolutionary biology where they're now saying there's something teological saying there's something teological saying there's something teological about the history of life on planet about the history of life on planet about the history of life on planet Earth. Interestingly, they bypass the Earth. Interestingly, they bypass the Earth. Interestingly, they bypass the origin of life and say, "Let's just look origin of life and say, "Let's just look origin of life and say, "Let's just look at the history of life." But they say, at the history of life." But they say, at the history of life." But they say, "The latest discoveries in paleontology "The latest discoveries in paleontology "The latest discoveries in paleontology and genetics are telling us that there's and genetics are telling us that there's and genetics are telling us that there's something teological, which is another something teological, which is another something teological, which is another word, God somehow is involved in the word, God somehow is involved in the word, God somehow is involved in the process." Uh, what we're seeing is these process." Uh, what we're seeing is these process." Uh, what we're seeing is these evolutionary biologists, they're quickly evolutionary biologists, they're quickly evolutionary biologists, they're quickly becoming deas. I mean, there's really a becoming deas. I mean, there's really a becoming deas. I mean, there's really a revolution going on in evolutionary revolution going on in evolutionary revolution going on in evolutionary biology. So, so let let's let's take biology. So, so let let's let's take biology. So, so let let's let's take take this now a step further. Uh if take this now a step further. Uh if take this now a step further. Uh if these are not if these phenomena these these are not if these phenomena these these are not if these phenomena these repeatable phenomena where where you repeatable phenomena where where you repeatable phenomena where where you actually see evidence of you know you actually see evidence of you know you actually see evidence of you know you you talked about asphalt uh uh melting I you talked about asphalt uh uh melting I you talked about asphalt uh uh melting I think in in your manuscript that you you think in in your manuscript that you you think in in your manuscript that you you gave me the these examples of just the gave me the these examples of just the gave me the these examples of just the rocks being scorched. If these are not rocks being scorched. If these are not rocks being scorched. If these are not extraterrestrial life, then what are extraterrestrial life, then what are extraterrestrial life, then what are they?

they? they? >> Well, as Jacqu Valet points out, we're >> Well, as Jacqu Valet points out, we're >> Well, as Jacqu Valet points out, we're dealing with interdimensional entities. dealing with interdimensional entities. dealing with interdimensional entities. And in some of his writings, he actually And in some of his writings, he actually And in some of his writings, he actually uses the word beings because they seem uses the word beings because they seem uses the word beings because they seem to be able to communicate with human to be able to communicate with human to be able to communicate with human contactes. contactes. contactes. Well, from a biblical perspective, we Well, from a biblical perspective, we Well, from a biblical perspective, we got God creating two distinct species of got God creating two distinct species of got God creating two distinct species of intelligent life. We human beings that intelligent life. We human beings that intelligent life. We human beings that are constrained by the physics and the are constrained by the physics and the are constrained by the physics and the dimensions of the universe and angels dimensions of the universe and angels dimensions of the universe and angels who are not constrained and God has who are not constrained and God has who are not constrained and God has granted these angelic beings that exist granted these angelic beings that exist granted these angelic beings that exist in another dimension to be able to come in another dimension to be able to come in another dimension to be able to come into our realm and leave. And what's into our realm and leave. And what's into our realm and leave. And what's interesting is that we have two interesting is that we have two interesting is that we have two categories. the righteous angels uh that categories. the righteous angels uh that categories. the righteous angels uh that are perfectly virtuous and then the ones are perfectly virtuous and then the ones are perfectly virtuous and then the ones that are in rebellion against God, the that are in rebellion against God, the that are in rebellion against God, the unrighteous angels, what many people unrighteous angels, what many people unrighteous angels, what many people call demons. And the Bible tells us in call demons. And the Bible tells us in call demons. And the Bible tells us in Hebrews 13, uh that the righteous angels Hebrews 13, uh that the righteous angels Hebrews 13, uh that the righteous angels will frequently assist we Christians in will frequently assist we Christians in will frequently assist we Christians in our ministries, but they typically come our ministries, but they typically come our ministries, but they typically come and assist for just a few seconds and and assist for just a few seconds and and assist for just a few seconds and they're gone. Whereas the evil angels they're gone. Whereas the evil angels they're gone. Whereas the evil angels tend to hang around. And the thing that tend to hang around. And the thing that tend to hang around. And the thing that I noticed about this UAP phenomena, I noticed about this UAP phenomena, I noticed about this UAP phenomena, uh, the UAP sightings are most frequent uh, the UAP sightings are most frequent uh, the UAP sightings are most frequent at 3:00 a.m. in the morning at the end at 3:00 a.m. in the morning at the end at 3:00 a.m. in the morning at the end of lonely country roads. And immediately of lonely country roads. And immediately of lonely country roads. And immediately that caught my attention because who that caught my attention because who that caught my attention because who who's living at the end of country roads who's living at the end of country roads who's living at the end of country roads at 3:00 a.m. in the morning? Well, at 3:00 a.m. in the morning? Well, at 3:00 a.m. in the morning? Well, that's where we astronomers put our

that's where we astronomers put our that's where we astronomers put our telescopes. You know, we'll construct a telescopes. You know, we'll construct a telescopes. You know, we'll construct a road away from civilization, put a road away from civilization, put a road away from civilization, put a telescope there. So, you'd anticipate telescope there. So, you'd anticipate telescope there. So, you'd anticipate that astronomers would be at the top of that astronomers would be at the top of that astronomers would be at the top of the list of citing these UAPs, but the the list of citing these UAPs, but the the list of citing these UAPs, but the truth is they're close to the bottom of truth is they're close to the bottom of truth is they're close to the bottom of the list. So, hey, they're out at 3:00 the list. So, hey, they're out at 3:00 the list. So, hey, they're out at 3:00 a.m. in the morning at the end of only a.m. in the morning at the end of only a.m. in the morning at the end of only country roads. They don't see anything. country roads. They don't see anything. country roads. They don't see anything. Uh but when I was doing my uh graduate Uh but when I was doing my uh graduate Uh but when I was doing my uh graduate research on quazars and galaxies, I research on quazars and galaxies, I research on quazars and galaxies, I noted that there were two astronomers noted that there were two astronomers noted that there were two astronomers that were seeing UAP phenomena every that were seeing UAP phenomena every that were seeing UAP phenomena every time they went on the telescope, but time they went on the telescope, but time they went on the telescope, but they're only logging three or four hours they're only logging three or four hours they're only logging three or four hours of observing time a year. I was logging of observing time a year. I was logging of observing time a year. I was logging 1500 hours. And I had friends who were 1500 hours. And I had friends who were 1500 hours. And I had friends who were logging almost as much time on the logging almost as much time on the logging almost as much time on the telescopes. We never saw anything. But telescopes. We never saw anything. But telescopes. We never saw anything. But one thing I knew about those two one thing I knew about those two one thing I knew about those two astronomers, both of them were deep into astronomers, both of them were deep into astronomers, both of them were deep into practicing the occult. So that was the practicing the occult. So that was the practicing the occult. So that was the first time I said, "Well, maybe the first time I said, "Well, maybe the first time I said, "Well, maybe the connection is the occult. The people who connection is the occult. The people who connection is the occult. The people who practice the occult are the ones that practice the occult are the ones that practice the occult are the ones that are going to have these close encounters are going to have these close encounters are going to have these close encounters with UAPs." And over the last 40 years, with UAPs." And over the last 40 years, with UAPs." And over the last 40 years, that has proven to be true. I especially that has proven to be true. I especially that has proven to be true. I especially saw that when I went to the Soviet Union saw that when I went to the Soviet Union saw that when I went to the Soviet Union when the communists were still running when the communists were still running when the communists were still running the show and they had me speak to their the show and they had me speak to their the show and they had me speak to their scientists. What I realized is how many scientists. What I realized is how many scientists. What I realized is how many of them uh had these close encounters of them uh had these close encounters of them uh had these close encounters with UFOs, with UFOs, with UFOs, even had communication experiences with

even had communication experiences with even had communication experiences with the entities that were part of this UAP the entities that were part of this UAP the entities that were part of this UAP phenomena. But that was an era when the phenomena. But that was an era when the phenomena. But that was an era when the Soviet Union was sponsoring research in Soviet Union was sponsoring research in Soviet Union was sponsoring research in occult physics. And what I noticed is occult physics. And what I noticed is occult physics. And what I noticed is the physicists involved in occult the physicists involved in occult the physicists involved in occult physics, they were the ones having these physics, they were the ones having these physics, they were the ones having these experiences. experiences. experiences. When I back went back to Russia in 1994 When I back went back to Russia in 1994 When I back went back to Russia in 1994 when the communists were no longer when the communists were no longer when the communists were no longer running the show and there was no longer running the show and there was no longer running the show and there was no longer any uh you know sponsorship of all any uh you know sponsorship of all any uh you know sponsorship of all physics, the number of scientists having physics, the number of scientists having physics, the number of scientists having these encounters had plummeted. It these encounters had plummeted. It these encounters had plummeted. It dropped by more than a factor of 20 dropped by more than a factor of 20 dropped by more than a factor of 20 times. And I see that over even here in times. And I see that over even here in times. And I see that over even here in the United States is that when I go to the United States is that when I go to the United States is that when I go to speak say in Alaska and Hawaii, I run speak say in Alaska and Hawaii, I run speak say in Alaska and Hawaii, I run into a lot of people who've had into a lot of people who've had into a lot of people who've had encounters with UFOs. But those are the encounters with UFOs. But those are the encounters with UFOs. But those are the two states where you got the highest two states where you got the highest two states where you got the highest percentage of the population involved in percentage of the population involved in percentage of the population involved in the occult. When I speak in Nebraska or the occult. When I speak in Nebraska or the occult. When I speak in Nebraska or Iowa, the percentage is much much lower Iowa, the percentage is much much lower Iowa, the percentage is much much lower because a much smaller percentage of the because a much smaller percentage of the because a much smaller percentage of the population is involved in the occult.

population is involved in the occult. population is involved in the occult. So, and the Bible tells us the occult is So, and the Bible tells us the occult is So, and the Bible tells us the occult is a way that you can be contacted by these a way that you can be contacted by these a way that you can be contacted by these evil angelic beings. And so, what I tell evil angelic beings. And so, what I tell evil angelic beings. And so, what I tell people in Lights and Sky, Little Green people in Lights and Sky, Little Green people in Lights and Sky, Little Green Men, and even more emphatically and Men, and even more emphatically and Men, and even more emphatically and specifically in this new book we're specifically in this new book we're specifically in this new book we're bringing out, the UFO problem is that if bringing out, the UFO problem is that if bringing out, the UFO problem is that if you get the occult out of your life, you get the occult out of your life, you get the occult out of your life, that'll be the end of your encounters uh that'll be the end of your encounters uh that'll be the end of your encounters uh with these close, you know, close with these close, you know, close with these close, you know, close encounters with these UAPs. But if you encounters with these UAPs. But if you encounters with these UAPs. But if you practice the occult, good chance it's practice the occult, good chance it's practice the occult, good chance it's going to happen to you. And if you're going to happen to you. And if you're going to happen to you. And if you're deep into the occult, it'll happen deep into the occult, it'll happen deep into the occult, it'll happen repeatedly. If you do not believe in the repeatedly. If you do not believe in the repeatedly. If you do not believe in the physical resurrection of [music] Jesus physical resurrection of [music] Jesus physical resurrection of [music] Jesus Christ, send me an email tour at Christ, send me an email tour at Christ, send me an email tour at drjamestor.org [music] drjamestor.org [music] drjamestor.org [music] and we will get together and I will and we will get together and I will and we will get together and I will share with you about why I embrace the share with you about why I embrace the share with you about why I embrace the resurrection of Jesus. Yes. And this is resurrection of Jesus. Yes. And this is resurrection of Jesus. Yes. And this is what you know I remember you were what you know I remember you were what you know I remember you were sitting in my office. It was in about sitting in my office. It was in about sitting in my office. It was in about 2003 or 2004 and the Nobel Prize winner 2003 or 2004 and the Nobel Prize winner 2003 or 2004 and the Nobel Prize winner Rick Smallley was there and his wife Rick Smallley was there and his wife Rick Smallley was there and his wife Debbie and uh you started taking Rick Debbie and uh you started taking Rick Debbie and uh you started taking Rick through this and this is where I first through this and this is where I first through this and this is where I first learned that indeed uh um it's through learned that indeed uh um it's through learned that indeed uh um it's through the practice of the occult and you know the practice of the occult and you know the practice of the occult and you know even even as simple as Ouija boards and even even as simple as Ouija boards and even even as simple as Ouija boards and tarot cards can begin to open people up tarot cards can begin to open people up tarot cards can begin to open people up to demonic activity. And it is then that to demonic activity. And it is then that to demonic activity. And it is then that they begin seeing the these UAPs and and they begin seeing the these UAPs and and they begin seeing the these UAPs and and the the the times when there's

the the the times when there's the the the times when there's interaction when there's interaction interaction when there's interaction interaction when there's interaction between these phenomena and and the between these phenomena and and the between these phenomena and and the individual, it is almost always a a just individual, it is almost always a a just individual, it is almost always a a just a terrifying thing, which is exactly a terrifying thing, which is exactly a terrifying thing, which is exactly what demons do. It's a terrifying thing. what demons do. It's a terrifying thing. what demons do. It's a terrifying thing. When there's an angelic presence in the When there's an angelic presence in the When there's an angelic presence in the Bible, it's always peaceful. It's kind. Bible, it's always peaceful. It's kind. Bible, it's always peaceful. It's kind. It's gracious. And most of the time It's gracious. And most of the time It's gracious. And most of the time they're appearing in some other form. they're appearing in some other form. they're appearing in some other form. But when they, you know, they'll appear But when they, you know, they'll appear But when they, you know, they'll appear as a as a young man, uh, and they'll as a as a young man, uh, and they'll as a as a young man, uh, and they'll say, "Well, the body of Jesus is not say, "Well, the body of Jesus is not say, "Well, the body of Jesus is not here. He's he's he's he's risen." You here. He's he's he's he's risen." You here. He's he's he's he's risen." You know, they they'll, it comforting thing. know, they they'll, it comforting thing. know, they they'll, it comforting thing. And and so even though just the And and so even though just the And and so even though just the presence, so if you think of Zechariah, presence, so if you think of Zechariah, presence, so if you think of Zechariah, I mean, he was terrified to see the I mean, he was terrified to see the I mean, he was terrified to see the angel sitting on the on the on the end angel sitting on the on the on the end angel sitting on the on the on the end there because the the the Israelites there because the the the Israelites there because the the the Israelites knew that that uh this is the phenomena knew that that uh this is the phenomena knew that that uh this is the phenomena that could happen if if you're going to that could happen if if you're going to that could happen if if you're going to be killed. But it turned out to be a be killed. But it turned out to be a be killed. But it turned out to be a very peaceful thing. And so so uh uh but very peaceful thing. And so so uh uh but very peaceful thing. And so so uh uh but all of these sightings I mean the the all of these sightings I mean the the all of these sightings I mean the the animals in the in in around will detect animals in the in in around will detect animals in the in in around will detect these much more quickly and the these much more quickly and the these much more quickly and the individual ends up terrified sometimes individual ends up terrified sometimes individual ends up terrified sometimes to the point of of being highly sick to the point of of being highly sick to the point of of being highly sick afterwards and psychologically damaged afterwards and psychologically damaged afterwards and psychologically damaged afterward which is consistent with this afterward which is consistent with this afterward which is consistent with this being a de demonic entity. And I like being a de demonic entity. And I like being a de demonic entity. And I like what you said that when you start what you said that when you start what you said that when you start dealing with the occult, when you get dealing with the occult, when you get dealing with the occult, when you get people praying and you get get them uh people praying and you get get them uh people praying and you get get them uh uh claiming the blood of Christ and and uh claiming the blood of Christ and and uh claiming the blood of Christ and and and praying and getting free of this and

and praying and getting free of this and and praying and getting free of this and repenting of this, these sightings go repenting of this, these sightings go repenting of this, these sightings go away. And I remember you said something away. And I remember you said something away. And I remember you said something in my office uh uh more than 20 years in my office uh uh more than 20 years in my office uh uh more than 20 years ago, you said, you know, if you if you ago, you said, you know, if you if you ago, you said, you know, if you if you take a place where people are having a take a place where people are having a take a place where people are having a lot of these sightings, you see that lot of these sightings, you see that lot of these sightings, you see that there are occult practices. But if you there are occult practices. But if you there are occult practices. But if you bring a prayer group in and they start bring a prayer group in and they start bring a prayer group in and they start praying and they start start uh uh uh uh praying and they start start uh uh uh uh praying and they start start uh uh uh uh bringing people into a a time of bringing people into a a time of bringing people into a a time of repentance, the the the sightings go repentance, the the the sightings go repentance, the the the sightings go away. So again, there is this away. So again, there is this away. So again, there is this correlation. Expand on this for us. correlation. Expand on this for us. correlation. Expand on this for us. >> Yeah, very much so. I mean in terms of >> Yeah, very much so. I mean in terms of >> Yeah, very much so. I mean in terms of the close encounters the close encounters the close encounters Alan Heinik the astrophysicist basically Alan Heinik the astrophysicist basically Alan Heinik the astrophysicist basically said uh the things we have to worry said uh the things we have to worry said uh the things we have to worry about is where the human contact is less about is where the human contact is less about is where the human contact is less than 500 ft away from the UFO phenomena than 500 ft away from the UFO phenomena than 500 ft away from the UFO phenomena and uh and in some cases you actually and uh and in some cases you actually and uh and in some cases you actually have communication. I mean the most have communication. I mean the most have communication. I mean the most dramatic case is where the human dramatic case is where the human dramatic case is where the human contactee goes into a trance and while contactee goes into a trance and while contactee goes into a trance and while they're in a trance uh this angelic they're in a trance uh this angelic they're in a trance uh this angelic being will have them right and so being will have them right and so being will have them right and so there's actually four UFO religions that there's actually four UFO religions that there's actually four UFO religions that are quite prominent here in the United are quite prominent here in the United are quite prominent here in the United States many more overseas. Uh but kind States many more overseas. Uh but kind States many more overseas. Uh but kind of their holy book is the Arantia book of their holy book is the Arantia book of their holy book is the Arantia book which was communicated from one of these which was communicated from one of these which was communicated from one of these UAP entities to a human contactee.

UAP entities to a human contactee. UAP entities to a human contactee. It's actually bigger than the Bible but It's actually bigger than the Bible but It's actually bigger than the Bible but a third of its content is denying the a third of its content is denying the a third of its content is denying the deity of Jesus Christ. So that kind of deity of Jesus Christ. So that kind of deity of Jesus Christ. So that kind of gives you an idea where it's coming gives you an idea where it's coming gives you an idea where it's coming from. Uh but Jacqu Valet and Alan Heinik from. Uh but Jacqu Valet and Alan Heinik from. Uh but Jacqu Valet and Alan Heinik also documented that when people have also documented that when people have also documented that when people have these close encounters with these UAPs, these close encounters with these UAPs, these close encounters with these UAPs, it's always harmful. The best you're it's always harmful. The best you're it's always harmful. The best you're going to come away with is recurring going to come away with is recurring going to come away with is recurring terrifying nightmares. Say what's the terrifying nightmares. Say what's the terrifying nightmares. Say what's the worst case scenario? There's many worst case scenario? There's many worst case scenario? There's many documented cases where the human contact documented cases where the human contact documented cases where the human contact has been killed uh by the encounter or has been killed uh by the encounter or has been killed uh by the encounter or their animals have been killed. As you their animals have been killed. As you their animals have been killed. As you mentioned, sometimes it's the pets that mentioned, sometimes it's the pets that mentioned, sometimes it's the pets that are associated with the human that react are associated with the human that react are associated with the human that react first to the UAP phenomena and sometimes first to the UAP phenomena and sometimes first to the UAP phenomena and sometimes they're killed by the phenomena. So, they're killed by the phenomena. So, they're killed by the phenomena. So, this is quite a harmful thing and uh you this is quite a harmful thing and uh you this is quite a harmful thing and uh you know and very deceptive. I mean, that's know and very deceptive. I mean, that's know and very deceptive. I mean, that's the thing that caught my attention even the thing that caught my attention even the thing that caught my attention even my teenage years. People who claimed to my teenage years. People who claimed to my teenage years. People who claimed to have gotten these messages from the have gotten these messages from the have gotten these messages from the UAPs, I knew right away that the UAPs, I knew right away that the UAPs, I knew right away that the astronomy they were communicating was astronomy they were communicating was astronomy they were communicating was incorrect. But it's like they seem to be incorrect. But it's like they seem to be incorrect. But it's like they seem to be keeping pace with their education level keeping pace with their education level keeping pace with their education level and our technology because you know 100 and our technology because you know 100 and our technology because you know 100 years ago they appearing as slowm moving years ago they appearing as slowm moving years ago they appearing as slowm moving derigibles in the atmosphere. World War derigibles in the atmosphere. World War derigibles in the atmosphere. World War II they were the foo fighters moving at II they were the foo fighters moving at II they were the foo fighters moving at the speed of sound. Now they're moving the speed of sound. Now they're moving the speed of sound. Now they're moving as fast as our fastest spaceships. And as fast as our fastest spaceships. And as fast as our fastest spaceships. And the stories they tell people change. A the stories they tell people change. A the stories they tell people change. A 100 years ago they said they were from 100 years ago they said they were from 100 years ago they said they were from the back side of the moon. When people

the back side of the moon. When people the back side of the moon. When people realize, well, that's not credible, they realize, well, that's not credible, they realize, well, that's not credible, they said, well, we're from Venus. When said, well, we're from Venus. When said, well, we're from Venus. When people figured how hot it is on Venus, people figured how hot it is on Venus, people figured how hot it is on Venus, they said, we're from Mars. Now, they're they said, we're from Mars. Now, they're they said, we're from Mars. Now, they're saying that they're from another saying that they're from another saying that they're from another planetary system. So, the fact that they planetary system. So, the fact that they planetary system. So, the fact that they keep changing their story. And as Jacqu keep changing their story. And as Jacqu keep changing their story. And as Jacqu Valet has documented, this phenomena has Valet has documented, this phenomena has Valet has documented, this phenomena has always been with us. So, some of the always been with us. So, some of the always been with us. So, some of the documented cases go back more than 3,000 documented cases go back more than 3,000 documented cases go back more than 3,000 years. But there they were appearing as years. But there they were appearing as years. But there they were appearing as fairies and as leprechauns. Now they're fairies and as leprechauns. Now they're fairies and as leprechauns. Now they're appearing as flying saucers and appearing as flying saucers and appearing as flying saucers and spaceships. And angelic beings have that spaceships. And angelic beings have that spaceships. And angelic beings have that power uh for a brief period of time. power uh for a brief period of time. power uh for a brief period of time. They can transform themselves into a They can transform themselves into a They can transform themselves into a your grandfather, a human being, an your grandfather, a human being, an your grandfather, a human being, an animal or a spaceship. They can do that. animal or a spaceship. They can do that. animal or a spaceship. They can do that. Uh but when they do those kinds of Uh but when they do those kinds of Uh but when they do those kinds of things, they're violating the laws of things, they're violating the laws of things, they're violating the laws of physics. That's what our government is physics. That's what our government is physics. That's what our government is releasing. uh these reports that are releasing. uh these reports that are releasing. uh these reports that are coming out where pilots see uh these coming out where pilots see uh these coming out where pilots see uh these supposed craft making sharp right angle supposed craft making sharp right angle supposed craft making sharp right angle turns at 15,000 mph. Well, no physical turns at 15,000 mph. Well, no physical turns at 15,000 mph. Well, no physical object can withstand those kinds of G object can withstand those kinds of G object can withstand those kinds of G forces. So, we are already dealing with forces. So, we are already dealing with forces. So, we are already dealing with something that's real but not physical.

something that's real but not physical. something that's real but not physical. It's spiritual. There really is a It's spiritual. There really is a It's spiritual. There really is a spiritual realm. I think that's what's spiritual realm. I think that's what's spiritual realm. I think that's what's going to be exciting about these going to be exciting about these going to be exciting about these releases from France and Britain and releases from France and Britain and releases from France and Britain and Russia, Brazil, and the United States. Russia, Brazil, and the United States. Russia, Brazil, and the United States. It's going to persuade people there It's going to persuade people there It's going to persuade people there really is a spiritual dimension out really is a spiritual dimension out really is a spiritual dimension out there. My concern as a Christian, there. My concern as a Christian, there. My concern as a Christian, they're going to go into uh spiritualism they're going to go into uh spiritualism they're going to go into uh spiritualism rather than Christianity. Uh you know, rather than Christianity. Uh you know, rather than Christianity. Uh you know, we're fundamentally spiritual. All of us we're fundamentally spiritual. All of us we're fundamentally spiritual. All of us want to worship something. Uh my worry want to worship something. Uh my worry want to worship something. Uh my worry is when they say, "Oh, materialism isn't is when they say, "Oh, materialism isn't is when they say, "Oh, materialism isn't the answer." instead of following Jesus the answer." instead of following Jesus the answer." instead of following Jesus Christ, uh, they're going to follow a Christ, uh, they're going to follow a Christ, uh, they're going to follow a false spiritual religion. false spiritual religion. false spiritual religion. >> Thank you for joining me today. If you >> Thank you for joining me today. If you >> Thank you for joining me today. If you could give us a like, share, or podcast could give us a like, share, or podcast could give us a like, share, or podcast review, we would [music] appreciate it. review, we would [music] appreciate it. review, we would [music] appreciate it. If you have any questions, you could If you have any questions, you could If you have any questions, you could send them to ask at jesusandscience.org, send them to ask at jesusandscience.org, send them to ask at jesusandscience.org, and we'll try to answer some of those and we'll try to answer some of those and we'll try to answer some of those questions in an upcoming video. And if questions in an upcoming video. And if questions in an upcoming video. And if you do not believe in the physical you do not believe in the physical you do not believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus [music] Christ and resurrection of Jesus [music] Christ and resurrection of Jesus [music] Christ and you want to hear about why I believe, you want to hear about why I believe, you want to hear about why I believe, send me an email to tour at send me an email to tour at send me an email to tour at drjamesour.org drjamesour.org drjamesour.org or and we'll get together by Zoom and or and we'll get together by Zoom and or and we'll get together by Zoom and I'll share with you why I embrace the I'll share with you why I embrace the I'll share with you why I embrace the [music] resurrection of Jesus