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Open Faith May 28, 2026 20m

What Bryce Crawford Gets Badly WRONG About Jesus

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  1. So often online you hear Christians So often online you hear Christians speaking about heaven and hell, speaking about heaven and hell, speaking about heaven and hell, revelation, end times like this. revelation, end times like this. revelation, end times like this. >> Have you ever heard that verse that's in >> Have you ever heard that verse that's in >> Have you ever heard that verse that's in Revelation 21? It says, "And and God Revelation 21? It says, "And and God Revelation 21? It says, "And and God will wipe away every tear." will wipe away every tear." will wipe away every tear." You guys have ever heard that? God will You guys have ever heard that? God will You guys have ever heard that? God will wipe away every tear. We're like, "Yeah, wipe away every tear. We're like, "Yeah, wipe away every tear. We're like, "Yeah, God's so good, man. Like, he'll wipe God's so good, man. Like, he'll wipe God's so good, man. Like, he'll wipe away every tear." Like, five verses away every tear." Like, five verses away every tear." Like, five verses before that, he just threw every before that, he just threw every before that, he just threw every non-believer in hell. The reason why I non-believer in hell. The reason why I non-believer in hell. The reason why I believe he's lastly wiping away every believe he's lastly wiping away every believe he's lastly wiping away every tear is because every person that tear is because every person that tear is because every person that sincerely has faith in Jesus is going to sincerely has faith in Jesus is going to sincerely has faith in Jesus is going to watch every one of their friends, watch every one of their friends, watch every one of their friends, their family members, their family members, their family members, loved ones be cast into hell. And God's loved ones be cast into hell. And God's loved ones be cast into hell. And God's going to have to wipe away every tear. going to have to wipe away every tear. going to have to wipe away every tear. It's the last time we'll cry. Hell is It's the last time we'll cry. Hell is It's the last time we'll cry. Hell is real. One day every knee will bow. And real. One day every knee will bow. And real. One day every knee will bow. And we're going to stand before God. we're going to stand before God. we're going to stand before God. And the people in this life that chose And the people in this life that chose And the people in this life that chose not to put faith in Jesus, whether they not to put faith in Jesus, whether they not to put faith in Jesus, whether they thought he wasn't real, or they thought thought he wasn't real, or they thought thought he wasn't real, or they thought he was just a prophet, or they thought he was just a prophet, or they thought he was just a prophet, or they thought he was just a good teacher, and they're he was just a good teacher, and they're he was just a good teacher, and they're going to look at the most magnificent, going to look at the most magnificent, going to look at the most magnificent, glorious thing in their life and then be glorious thing in their life and then be glorious thing in their life and then be separated from it for an eternity. separated from it for an eternity. separated from it for an eternity. >> Go into an incident. >> Go into an incident. >> Go into an incident. >> So, to put it in short, this is not >> So, to put it in short, this is not >> So, to put it in short, this is not remotely biblical. And I see so many remotely biblical. And I see so many remotely biblical. And I see so many people online speak about the afterlife, people online speak about the afterlife, people online speak about the afterlife, speak about end times like this in speak about end times like this in speak about end times like this in almost a glorifying way. The notion that almost a glorifying way. The notion that almost a glorifying way. The notion that seeing those you love, those that quite seeing those you love, those that quite seeing those you love, those that quite quite rejected Jesus, you know, didn't quite rejected Jesus, you know, didn't quite rejected Jesus, you know, didn't confess with their heart, didn't confess confess with their heart, didn't confess confess with their heart, didn't confess with their mouth that Jesus is Lord, with their mouth that Jesus is Lord, with their mouth that Jesus is Lord, will be somehow in agony or in pain or will be somehow in agony or in pain or will be somehow in agony or in pain or in torment, and everyone else as it in torment, and everyone else as it in torment, and everyone else as it Christian, happy days, mate. Simply Christian, happy days, mate. Simply Christian, happy days, mate. Simply having a heart posture to say something having a heart posture to say something having a heart posture to say something like this, I massively question where

  2. like this, I massively question where like this, I massively question where you're coming from here. The God that you're coming from here. The God that you're coming from here. The God that Bryce is speaking about that is not the Bryce is speaking about that is not the Bryce is speaking about that is not the God I worship. Jesus is not speaking God I worship. Jesus is not speaking God I worship. Jesus is not speaking about eternal torment like many people about eternal torment like many people about eternal torment like many people think he is, you know. I I find this think he is, you know. I I find this think he is, you know. I I find this ideology so damaging and the amount of ideology so damaging and the amount of ideology so damaging and the amount of Christians I speak to who focus on Christians I speak to who focus on Christians I speak to who focus on Revelation, who speak about the rapture, Revelation, who speak about the rapture, Revelation, who speak about the rapture, and who quite frankly don't have a clue and who quite frankly don't have a clue and who quite frankly don't have a clue what they're speaking about because this what they're speaking about because this what they're speaking about because this is from a historian who used to be a is from a historian who used to be a is from a historian who used to be a Christian, but he's currently an Christian, but he's currently an Christian, but he's currently an atheist. A you know, renowned historian. atheist. A you know, renowned historian. atheist. A you know, renowned historian. Bart Ehrman, and I've done loads of Bart Ehrman, and I've done loads of Bart Ehrman, and I've done loads of videos on him. And here he is speaking videos on him. And here he is speaking videos on him. And here he is speaking about what Jesus actually viewed of about what Jesus actually viewed of about what Jesus actually viewed of heaven and hell. And actually this is heaven and hell. And actually this is heaven and hell. And actually this is from somebody who's not a Christian, but from somebody who's not a Christian, but from somebody who's not a Christian, but a historian. So we can have a more a historian. So we can have a more a historian. So we can have a more balanced view of what Jesus actually balanced view of what Jesus actually balanced view of what Jesus actually said. The historical Jesus, not some said. The historical Jesus, not some said. The historical Jesus, not some fanciful end time theory. We'll see what fanciful end time theory. We'll see what fanciful end time theory. We'll see what Bart Ehrman says. >> Most people assume that Jesus and his >> Most people assume that Jesus and his disciples and the earliest Christians disciples and the earliest Christians disciples and the earliest Christians believed that a person who was believed that a person who was believed that a person who was disobedient to God or was immoral or who disobedient to God or was immoral or who disobedient to God or was immoral or who didn't have faith would be punished didn't have faith would be punished didn't have faith would be punished eternally in the fires of hell. As it eternally in the fires of hell. As it eternally in the fires of hell. As it turns out, Jesus didn't think that.

  3. turns out, Jesus didn't think that. turns out, Jesus didn't think that. Jesus thought that if a person was Jesus thought that if a person was Jesus thought that if a person was disobedient to God at the end, they disobedient to God at the end, they disobedient to God at the end, they would be completely destroyed, taken out would be completely destroyed, taken out would be completely destroyed, taken out of existence. There would be no of existence. There would be no of existence. There would be no conscious afterlife for these people. conscious afterlife for these people. conscious afterlife for these people. They would simply be done away with. And They would simply be done away with. And They would simply be done away with. And so Jesus did not believe in hell as a so Jesus did not believe in hell as a so Jesus did not believe in hell as a place of eternal torment. place of eternal torment. place of eternal torment. >> So the big thing to take out of what the >> So the big thing to take out of what the >> So the big thing to take out of what the amazing Bart Ehrman says is that Jesus amazing Bart Ehrman says is that Jesus amazing Bart Ehrman says is that Jesus viewed God and the afterlife as life. viewed God and the afterlife as life. viewed God and the afterlife as life. And I think this goes into the view of And I think this goes into the view of And I think this goes into the view of just our humanly bodies about what's just our humanly bodies about what's just our humanly bodies about what's life giving, what's wholesome, what life giving, what's wholesome, what life giving, what's wholesome, what brings life into the world. You know, brings life into the world. You know, brings life into the world. You know, the beauty of life, the beauty of the beauty of life, the beauty of the beauty of life, the beauty of creation. You know, we are all made in creation. You know, we are all made in creation. You know, we are all made in God's image. That notion is biblical. God's image. That notion is biblical. God's image. That notion is biblical. And that, you know, from Genesis to And that, you know, from Genesis to And that, you know, from Genesis to Jesus, you know, the first will be last Jesus, you know, the first will be last Jesus, you know, the first will be last and last will be first. You know, the and last will be first. You know, the and last will be first. You know, the amazing parables and the amazing thing amazing parables and the amazing thing amazing parables and the amazing thing Jesus said. That is biblical. And C.S. Jesus said. That is biblical. And C.S. Jesus said. That is biblical. And C.S. Lewis in The Great Divorce speaks about Lewis in The Great Divorce speaks about Lewis in The Great Divorce speaks about amazingly where he speaks about hell amazingly where he speaks about hell amazingly where he speaks about hell about being in almost a diminished human about being in almost a diminished human about being in almost a diminished human form. And he speaks about when, you form. And he speaks about when, you form. And he speaks about when, you know, on the bus ride to heaven, when know, on the bus ride to heaven, when know, on the bus ride to heaven, when they're walking around the garden, the they're walking around the garden, the they're walking around the garden, the people that are in heaven are the most people that are in heaven are the most people that are in heaven are the most solid because to truly be a one with God solid because to truly be a one with God solid because to truly be a one with God is to be the most human like. It's to is to be the most human like. It's to is to be the most human like. It's to embrace the body. And the damage of embrace the body. And the damage of embrace the body. And the damage of theology that gets done in viewing the theology that gets done in viewing the theology that gets done in viewing the flesh as somehow wrong, as somehow flesh as somehow wrong, as somehow flesh as somehow wrong, as somehow inherently bad. That is the damage. When inherently bad. That is the damage. When inherently bad. That is the damage. When it comes to sex, when it comes to guilt, it comes to sex, when it comes to guilt, it comes to sex, when it comes to guilt, shame, whatever it is, we have to shame, whatever it is, we have to shame, whatever it is, we have to appreciate that we are made in God's appreciate that we are made in God's appreciate that we are made in God's image and our bodies are incredible, you image and our bodies are incredible, you image and our bodies are incredible, you know, to make love, to be kind to know, to make love, to be kind to know, to make love, to be kind to someone. That is where life is. That is someone. That is where life is. That is someone. That is where life is. That is where God is, you know. And the notion

  4. where God is, you know. And the notion where God is, you know. And the notion that somebody not really experience that somebody not really experience that somebody not really experience life, not really experiencing the fruit life, not really experiencing the fruit life, not really experiencing the fruit and the wonder of life, you are in the and the wonder of life, you are in the and the wonder of life, you are in the demise. And as C.S. Lewis says, the the demise. And as C.S. Lewis says, the the demise. And as C.S. Lewis says, the the gates of hell are shut from the inside. gates of hell are shut from the inside. gates of hell are shut from the inside. We choose it. And what does it mean to We choose it. And what does it mean to We choose it. And what does it mean to believe, ladies and gentlemen? Because believe, ladies and gentlemen? Because believe, ladies and gentlemen? Because I'll tell you what, I know so many I'll tell you what, I know so many I'll tell you what, I know so many Christians, you know, speak about Jesus, Christians, you know, speak about Jesus, Christians, you know, speak about Jesus, speak about God, speak about scripture, speak about God, speak about scripture, speak about God, speak about scripture, read the Bible, go to church. But how do read the Bible, go to church. But how do read the Bible, go to church. But how do they treat people when they see a they treat people when they see a they treat people when they see a homeless person come to the street? How homeless person come to the street? How homeless person come to the street? How do they treat people when they don't do they treat people when they don't do they treat people when they don't have much money and somebody's hurting? have much money and somebody's hurting? have much money and somebody's hurting? What do you think they do? But they What do you think they do? But they What do you think they do? But they speak about revelation. They speak about speak about revelation. They speak about speak about revelation. They speak about people put in eternal torment because people put in eternal torment because people put in eternal torment because what? They didn't say that Jesus is what? They didn't say that Jesus is what? They didn't say that Jesus is Lord. Maybe the Jesus they got fed Lord. Maybe the Jesus they got fed Lord. Maybe the Jesus they got fed wasn't the Jesus that was Jesus. Maybe wasn't the Jesus that was Jesus. Maybe wasn't the Jesus that was Jesus. Maybe it's good that they rejected what was it's good that they rejected what was it's good that they rejected what was fed to them as a kid of damnation, of fed to them as a kid of damnation, of fed to them as a kid of damnation, of hate, of division, of looking at your hate, of division, of looking at your hate, of division, of looking at your brother and sister as they're going to brother and sister as they're going to brother and sister as they're going to go to eternal torment just because they go to eternal torment just because they go to eternal torment just because they don't fit into your box. Maybe that, don't fit into your box. Maybe that, don't fit into your box. Maybe that, ladies and gentlemen, is not so-called ladies and gentlemen, is not so-called ladies and gentlemen, is not so-called Christianity. Maybe the person who gives Christianity. Maybe the person who gives Christianity. Maybe the person who gives when they don't have a lot, who views when they don't have a lot, who views when they don't have a lot, who views everyone in a beautiful way, who is kind everyone in a beautiful way, who is kind everyone in a beautiful way, who is kind with their heart, maybe they are more with their heart, maybe they are more with their heart, maybe they are more Christian. Because I'll tell you what, Christian. Because I'll tell you what, Christian. Because I'll tell you what, Jesus went to the what, you know, the Jesus went to the what, you know, the Jesus went to the what, you know, the Roman Centurion's servant and healed Roman Centurion's servant and healed Roman Centurion's servant and healed him. I have seen no greater faith in all him. I have seen no greater faith in all him. I have seen no greater faith in all of Israel. This is when the Romans were of Israel. This is when the Romans were of Israel. This is when the Romans were occupying the Jews. He went to the woman occupying the Jews. He went to the woman occupying the Jews. He went to the woman of the well from Samaria, the woman who of the well from Samaria, the woman who of the well from Samaria, the woman who was sleeping around, who who had to go was sleeping around, who who had to go was sleeping around, who who had to go to the well in the day not with the to the well in the day not with the to the well in the day not with the other woman when it was boiling hot. You other woman when it was boiling hot. You other woman when it was boiling hot. You know, it was Jesus who appeared to her know, it was Jesus who appeared to her know, it was Jesus who appeared to her and told her who she was, you know.

  5. and told her who she was, you know. and told her who she was, you know. Jesus did not view Christianity as a Jesus did not view Christianity as a Jesus did not view Christianity as a tick book exercise, you know? He said tick book exercise, you know? He said tick book exercise, you know? He said it's about your heart, you whitewash it's about your heart, you whitewash it's about your heart, you whitewash serpents, you know? Outwardly beautiful, serpents, you know? Outwardly beautiful, serpents, you know? Outwardly beautiful, but inside filled with evil. You know, but inside filled with evil. You know, but inside filled with evil. You know, this is the Jesus. It's not the Jesus this is the Jesus. It's not the Jesus this is the Jesus. It's not the Jesus of, "Oh, yeah, let me say I believe in of, "Oh, yeah, let me say I believe in of, "Oh, yeah, let me say I believe in Jesus, happy days, Christian, I'm going Jesus, happy days, Christian, I'm going Jesus, happy days, Christian, I'm going to heaven. Everyone else, you're going to heaven. Everyone else, you're going to heaven. Everyone else, you're going to hell. God's going to wipe away my to hell. God's going to wipe away my to hell. God's going to wipe away my tears of sorrow." That is not the Jesus, tears of sorrow." That is not the Jesus, tears of sorrow." That is not the Jesus, ladies and gentlemen. And if you believe ladies and gentlemen. And if you believe ladies and gentlemen. And if you believe in that Jesus, I question what you in that Jesus, I question what you in that Jesus, I question what you actually believe in. You know, when the actually believe in. You know, when the actually believe in. You know, when the doors are shut, when nobody is watching, doors are shut, when nobody is watching, doors are shut, when nobody is watching, who are you? Because that is the Jesus. who are you? Because that is the Jesus. who are you? Because that is the Jesus. That is the Jesus I follow. And I am a That is the Jesus I follow. And I am a That is the Jesus I follow. And I am a massive universalist, and I have loads massive universalist, and I have loads massive universalist, and I have loads of bias in what I'm saying here, because of bias in what I'm saying here, because of bias in what I'm saying here, because it does fit my theology and my world it does fit my theology and my world it does fit my theology and my world view, and I do appreciate that. I really view, and I do appreciate that. I really view, and I do appreciate that. I really do. But I'll tell you what, there's do. But I'll tell you what, there's do. But I'll tell you what, there's people like Bart Ehrman who have gone people like Bart Ehrman who have gone people like Bart Ehrman who have gone from, you you know, Christianity to from, you you know, Christianity to from, you you know, Christianity to atheism, but I think Bart Ehrman is one atheism, but I think Bart Ehrman is one atheism, but I think Bart Ehrman is one of the most Christian people around. I of the most Christian people around. I of the most Christian people around. I think there are some phenomenal people think there are some phenomenal people think there are some phenomenal people who aren't Christian. And do I think who aren't Christian. And do I think who aren't Christian. And do I think they're going to go to damnation? Do I they're going to go to damnation? Do I they're going to go to damnation? Do I think they're not Christian? I don't think they're not Christian? I don't think they're not Christian? I don't know. I quite I quite frankly do not know. I quite I quite frankly do not know. I quite I quite frankly do not know. But I'm sick to death of know. But I'm sick to death of know. But I'm sick to death of Christians speaking about people who Christians speaking about people who Christians speaking about people who aren't Christian or not Christian, and, aren't Christian or not Christian, and, aren't Christian or not Christian, and, you know, basically acting like they're you know, basically acting like they're you know, basically acting like they're going to heaven or other people are going to heaven or other people are going to heaven or other people are going to hell. Ladies and gentlemen, if going to hell. Ladies and gentlemen, if going to hell. Ladies and gentlemen, if you're in a place of your heart worship you're in a place of your heart worship you're in a place of your heart worship even thinking about this stuff a lot, even thinking about this stuff a lot, even thinking about this stuff a lot, analyze yourself. You know, we got analyze yourself. You know, we got analyze yourself. You know, we got people dying across the world, we've got people dying across the world, we've got people dying across the world, we've got people starving to death, and if your people starving to death, and if your people starving to death, and if your heart is obsessed and focused on this

  6. heart is obsessed and focused on this heart is obsessed and focused on this stuff, you need to reanalyze, and you stuff, you need to reanalyze, and you stuff, you need to reanalyze, and you need to reread scripture, I really do need to reread scripture, I really do need to reread scripture, I really do think. But yeah, we'll hear more from think. But yeah, we'll hear more from think. But yeah, we'll hear more from you next week, Bart Ehrman. >> It seems odd to many people today, but >> It seems odd to many people today, but the idea of a literal heaven and hell the idea of a literal heaven and hell the idea of a literal heaven and hell doesn't come from Jewish or Christian doesn't come from Jewish or Christian doesn't come from Jewish or Christian sources originally. sources originally. sources originally. It actually comes from Greek sources. It actually comes from Greek sources. It actually comes from Greek sources. It's first articulated most clearly It's first articulated most clearly It's first articulated most clearly actually in the writings of Plato. And actually in the writings of Plato. And actually in the writings of Plato. And the idea then that the soul goes one the idea then that the soul goes one the idea then that the soul goes one place or the other is part of Greek place or the other is part of Greek place or the other is part of Greek philosophy that eventually crept into philosophy that eventually crept into philosophy that eventually crept into Christian faith. But it wasn't Christian faith. But it wasn't Christian faith. But it wasn't originally part of the Christian faith, originally part of the Christian faith, originally part of the Christian faith, and it doesn't arise out of Judaism. Two of the most influential thinkers in Two of the most influential thinkers in the history of our civilization are the history of our civilization are the history of our civilization are Socrates and Jesus. Socrates and Jesus. Socrates and Jesus. And it's interesting that both of them And it's interesting that both of them And it's interesting that both of them had views of the afterlife that were had views of the afterlife that were had views of the afterlife that were hopeful. Socrates taught that there are hopeful. Socrates taught that there are hopeful. Socrates taught that there are two options when you die. Either two options when you die. Either two options when you die. Either you enter into something like a deep you enter into something like a deep you enter into something like a deep sleep with no dreams, which is great.

  7. sleep with no dreams, which is great. sleep with no dreams, which is great. Everybody loves a good night's sleep. Everybody loves a good night's sleep. Everybody loves a good night's sleep. And this is like an eternal good night's And this is like an eternal good night's And this is like an eternal good night's sleep. sleep. sleep. Or you have a conscious afterlife in Or you have a conscious afterlife in Or you have a conscious afterlife in which you have the ability to talk with which you have the ability to talk with which you have the ability to talk with your ancestors and converse about deep your ancestors and converse about deep your ancestors and converse about deep things and think about interesting things and think about interesting things and think about interesting topics for eternity. And so it's either topics for eternity. And so it's either topics for eternity. And so it's either really good or it's good. It's good really good or it's good. It's good really good or it's good. It's good either way. Jesus actually had something either way. Jesus actually had something either way. Jesus actually had something very similar. Jesus thought that some very similar. Jesus thought that some very similar. Jesus thought that some people would enter into a utopian people would enter into a utopian people would enter into a utopian kingdom of God forever, and other people kingdom of God forever, and other people kingdom of God forever, and other people would simply cease to exist. There's no would simply cease to exist. There's no would simply cease to exist. There's no eternal torment in either one, which eternal torment in either one, which eternal torment in either one, which means that there for both of them, means that there for both of them, means that there for both of them, there's nothing to be afraid of about there's nothing to be afraid of about there's nothing to be afraid of about the afterlife, but there may be the afterlife, but there may be the afterlife, but there may be something to hope for. something to hope for. something to hope for. >> Jesus is coming to Earth. My notion is >> Jesus is coming to Earth. My notion is >> Jesus is coming to Earth. My notion is so so so pinnacle to everything from our so so so pinnacle to everything from our so so so pinnacle to everything from our sexuality to everything we are as sexuality to everything we are as sexuality to everything we are as humans. The notion that Jesus loves us humans. The notion that Jesus loves us humans. The notion that Jesus loves us as we are. Jesus loves our bodily form, as we are. Jesus loves our bodily form, as we are. Jesus loves our bodily form, our creation. Now, there's a lot of our creation. Now, there's a lot of our creation. Now, there's a lot of different theological takes, and I've different theological takes, and I've different theological takes, and I've been reading St. Augustine. And been reading St. Augustine. And been reading St. Augustine. And obviously he has a very different take.

  8. obviously he has a very different take. obviously he has a very different take. If you look at what he speaks about with If you look at what he speaks about with If you look at what he speaks about with babies and stuff. Like it is quite dark babies and stuff. Like it is quite dark babies and stuff. Like it is quite dark stuff, but there is a beauty, I think, stuff, but there is a beauty, I think, stuff, but there is a beauty, I think, to recognizing sin and the depths of our to recognizing sin and the depths of our to recognizing sin and the depths of our own evil to understand also the good and own evil to understand also the good and own evil to understand also the good and blossoming of it. And I don't quite blossoming of it. And I don't quite blossoming of it. And I don't quite agree with what St. Augustine not to not agree with what St. Augustine not to not agree with what St. Augustine not to not say that he's not an absolute genius. say that he's not an absolute genius. say that he's not an absolute genius. I'm not I'm not saying that remotely. I'm not I'm not saying that remotely. I'm not I'm not saying that remotely. But let's actually hear a little bit But let's actually hear a little bit But let's actually hear a little bit about him and about actually the kind of about him and about actually the kind of about him and about actually the kind of evolution of Revelation because so many evolution of Revelation because so many evolution of Revelation because so many people speak about Revelation who don't people speak about Revelation who don't people speak about Revelation who don't have a clue what they're speaking about. have a clue what they're speaking about. have a clue what they're speaking about. And Bowman, I think addresses this quite And Bowman, I think addresses this quite And Bowman, I think addresses this quite well in this episode. So let's give this well in this episode. So let's give this well in this episode. So let's give this a watch. a watch. a watch. >> And despite the fact that it clearly >> And despite the fact that it clearly >> And despite the fact that it clearly doesn't predict the end of the world, doesn't predict the end of the world, doesn't predict the end of the world, it's still continually reinterpreted it's still continually reinterpreted it's still continually reinterpreted that way. And I think something that that way. And I think something that that way. And I think something that certainly was was news to me and and certainly was was news to me and and certainly was was news to me and and seems to have been news to you in 1988 seems to have been news to you in 1988 seems to have been news to you in 1988 is that people take this is that people take this is that people take this very very seriously. very very seriously. very very seriously. >> Every one of them has been >> Every one of them has been >> Every one of them has been incontrovertibly wrong. incontrovertibly wrong. incontrovertibly wrong. And the other thing you could say, they And the other thing you could say, they And the other thing you could say, they base it on the book of Revelation. So base it on the book of Revelation. So base it on the book of Revelation. So probably the problem isn't that they're probably the problem isn't that they're probably the problem isn't that they're getting a few details wrong and that now getting a few details wrong and that now getting a few details wrong and that now now we finally got it right. The problem now we finally got it right. The problem now we finally got it right. The problem is they're just they've got the wrong is they're just they've got the wrong is they're just they've got the wrong interpretation.

  9. interpretation. interpretation. But that that's not the way to interpret But that that's not the way to interpret But that that's not the way to interpret the book. But the book. But the book. But the actual the issue goes beyond people the actual the issue goes beyond people the actual the issue goes beyond people who believe it who get, you know, upset who believe it who get, you know, upset who believe it who get, you know, upset or frustrated or have their lives ruined or frustrated or have their lives ruined or frustrated or have their lives ruined because it doesn't happen. because it doesn't happen. because it doesn't happen. Um it has larger it has larger effects. Um it has larger it has larger effects. Um it has larger it has larger effects. Uh Uh Uh it has effects on American uh foreign it has effects on American uh foreign it has effects on American uh foreign policy for one thing. American support policy for one thing. American support policy for one thing. American support for for the nation of Israel, uh the for for the nation of Israel, uh the for for the nation of Israel, uh the idea of Zionism, there was actually idea of Zionism, there was actually idea of Zionism, there was actually Christian Zionism before there was Christian Zionism before there was Christian Zionism before there was Zionism. Before there's Jewish Zionism Zionism. Before there's Jewish Zionism Zionism. Before there's Jewish Zionism Christian Zionism started in the 19th Christian Zionism started in the 19th Christian Zionism started in the 19th century in England and uh then came over century in England and uh then came over century in England and uh then came over to America. And the reason that uh it to America. And the reason that uh it to America. And the reason that uh it was supported by Evangelical Christians was supported by Evangelical Christians was supported by Evangelical Christians who wanted Israel to be uh to become a who wanted Israel to be uh to become a who wanted Israel to be uh to become a state again. state again. state again. And it and uh it wasn't again, it wasn't And it and uh it wasn't again, it wasn't And it and uh it wasn't again, it wasn't for political reasons. It's for for political reasons. It's for for political reasons. It's for religious reasons. It's because the religious reasons. It's because the religious reasons. It's because the Bible predicts that Israel will be Bible predicts that Israel will be Bible predicts that Israel will be restored as a nation. restored as a nation. restored as a nation. And starting in the year 70, well, in And starting in the year 70, well, in And starting in the year 70, well, in the year 135, so back in the 2nd the year 135, so back in the 2nd the year 135, so back in the 2nd century, Israel was wiped out and Jews century, Israel was wiped out and Jews century, Israel was wiped out and Jews were not allowed to enter into Jerusalem were not allowed to enter into Jerusalem were not allowed to enter into Jerusalem anymore. And and so for centuries and anymore. And and so for centuries and anymore. And and so for centuries and centuries and centuries, there was no centuries and centuries, there was no centuries and centuries, there was no state of Israel state of Israel state of Israel uh until um until modern times. But in uh until um until modern times. But in uh until um until modern times. But in the 19th century, Christians started the 19th century, Christians started the 19th century, Christians started urging uh especially uh the British urging uh especially uh the British urging uh especially uh the British government, but then also the American government, but then also the American government, but then also the American government to support a a state in government to support a a state in government to support a a state in Israel because prophets like Jeremiah Israel because prophets like Jeremiah Israel because prophets like Jeremiah and Ezekiel predict that the people will and Ezekiel predict that the people will and Ezekiel predict that the people will come back to the land.

  10. come back to the land. come back to the land. But in American politics, it's become But in American politics, it's become But in American politics, it's become especially important over the last few especially important over the last few especially important over the last few decades because decades because decades because evangelical Christians believe that for evangelical Christians believe that for evangelical Christians believe that for Jesus to return, something has to happen Jesus to return, something has to happen Jesus to return, something has to happen first. first. first. This isn't based on Revelation, it's This isn't based on Revelation, it's This isn't based on Revelation, it's based on the book of 2 Thessalonians, based on the book of 2 Thessalonians, based on the book of 2 Thessalonians, which indicates that the Antichrist which indicates that the Antichrist which indicates that the Antichrist figure figure figure will uh will uh will uh when he rises up, will enter into the when he rises up, will enter into the when he rises up, will enter into the temple and declare himself to be God. temple and declare himself to be God. temple and declare himself to be God. Well, there is no temple. The temple was Well, there is no temple. The temple was Well, there is no temple. The temple was destroyed in the year 70. destroyed in the year 70. destroyed in the year 70. For that to happen, for the Antichrist For that to happen, for the Antichrist For that to happen, for the Antichrist to arise, there has to be a temple. to arise, there has to be a temple. to arise, there has to be a temple. For there to be a temple, For there to be a temple, For there to be a temple, Israel has to control the Temple Mount. Israel has to control the Temple Mount. Israel has to control the Temple Mount. But But But you've already you've got Islamic you've already you've got Islamic you've already you've got Islamic sacred sites on the the Dome of the Rock sacred sites on the the Dome of the Rock sacred sites on the the Dome of the Rock on the on the Temple Mount, and unless on the on the Temple Mount, and unless on the on the Temple Mount, and unless Israel destroys it and builds a temple, Israel destroys it and builds a temple, Israel destroys it and builds a temple, Jesus can't come back. Jesus can't come back. Jesus can't come back. And so And so And so most people don't realize it that the most people don't realize it that the most people don't realize it that the American evangelical support for Israel American evangelical support for Israel American evangelical support for Israel is rooted in a theological belief.

  11. is rooted in a theological belief. is rooted in a theological belief. It's not rooted in Of course, they you It's not rooted in Of course, they you It's not rooted in Of course, they you know, of course, people are concerned know, of course, people are concerned know, of course, people are concerned also, of course, about stability in the also, of course, about stability in the also, of course, about stability in the Middle East and about um Middle East and about um Middle East and about um uh and about issues related to oil from uh and about issues related to oil from uh and about issues related to oil from the Middle East and all that. That's the Middle East and all that. That's the Middle East and all that. That's absolutely right, but this whole thing absolutely right, but this whole thing absolutely right, but this whole thing started because of an eschatological started because of an eschatological started because of an eschatological expectation that the temple had to be expectation that the temple had to be expectation that the temple had to be rebuilt, and there are evangelical rebuilt, and there are evangelical rebuilt, and there are evangelical groups that are planning on it. They're groups that are planning on it. They're groups that are planning on it. They're planning on it now, and they they planning on it now, and they they planning on it now, and they they convince everyone that you got to vote, convince everyone that you got to vote, convince everyone that you got to vote, you know, for Israel. This is So, when you know, for Israel. This is So, when you know, for Israel. This is So, when when Trump moved the embassy when Trump moved the embassy when Trump moved the embassy to Jerusalem, this was not This wasn't to Jerusalem, this was not This wasn't to Jerusalem, this was not This wasn't out of the blue. out of the blue. out of the blue. Uh this is evangelicals desperately want Uh this is evangelicals desperately want Uh this is evangelicals desperately want Israel to uh take over all of Jerusalem, Israel to uh take over all of Jerusalem, Israel to uh take over all of Jerusalem, including the the Temple Mount. Uh and including the the Temple Mount. Uh and including the the Temple Mount. Uh and so, again, I'm not taking a stand on on so, again, I'm not taking a stand on on so, again, I'm not taking a stand on on the prob- problems Israeli-Palestinian the prob- problems Israeli-Palestinian the prob- problems Israeli-Palestinian problem at all. But, I am saying that problem at all. But, I am saying that problem at all. But, I am saying that this this kind of expectation of what's this this kind of expectation of what's this this kind of expectation of what's going to happen in the near future going to happen in the near future going to happen in the near future affects American policy. affects American policy. affects American policy. >> That is quite a sobering thought. Especially when you consider it's based Especially when you consider it's based largely on a book that is not at all largely on a book that is not at all largely on a book that is not at all talking about talking about talking about modern times and modern politics.

  12. modern times and modern politics. modern times and modern politics. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. It's based on misinterpretations of the It's based on misinterpretations of the It's based on misinterpretations of the Bible, and you know, that's that's why Bible, and you know, that's that's why Bible, and you know, that's that's why we have historians to tell us Well, we have historians to tell us Well, we have historians to tell us Well, actually, what did it mean in its own actually, what did it mean in its own actually, what did it mean in its own context? Presumably, whoever wrote these context? Presumably, whoever wrote these context? Presumably, whoever wrote these books was trying to communicate a books was trying to communicate a books was trying to communicate a message to their context, not not to message to their context, not not to message to their context, not not to someone living 2,000 years later. someone living 2,000 years later. someone living 2,000 years later. >> That is why we do what we do. >> That is why we do what we do. >> That is why we do what we do. >> It just goes to show how important the >> It just goes to show how important the >> It just goes to show how important the truth actually is. As Jesus says, as I truth actually is. As Jesus says, as I truth actually is. As Jesus says, as I always always say, the truth will set always always say, the truth will set always always say, the truth will set you free. It's probably one of my you free. It's probably one of my you free. It's probably one of my favorite verse in the whole Bible. But, favorite verse in the whole Bible. But, favorite verse in the whole Bible. But, I also want to speak about what our Lord I also want to speak about what our Lord I also want to speak about what our Lord Jesus Christ actually said, because I Jesus Christ actually said, because I Jesus Christ actually said, because I think this This really does matter. What think this This really does matter. What think this This really does matter. What actually came out the the the lips of actually came out the the the lips of actually came out the the the lips of Jesus in Matthew. So, Jesus famously Jesus in Matthew. So, Jesus famously Jesus in Matthew. So, Jesus famously says, "No one knows about that day or says, "No one knows about that day or says, "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the son, but only the Father." So, this the son, but only the Father." So, this the son, but only the Father." So, this is obviously a proclamation that is obviously a proclamation that is obviously a proclamation that basically, we will never know. So, basically, we will never know. So, basically, we will never know. So, anybody who speaks about, "Yeah, it's anybody who speaks about, "Yeah, it's anybody who speaks about, "Yeah, it's going to be this day," or "It's soon.

  13. going to be this day," or "It's soon. going to be this day," or "It's soon. It's coming soon." Just think to It's coming soon." Just think to It's coming soon." Just think to yourself, if there's one thing we know yourself, if there's one thing we know yourself, if there's one thing we know about Jesus coming back, whatever that about Jesus coming back, whatever that about Jesus coming back, whatever that means and whatever way, cuz it was means and whatever way, cuz it was means and whatever way, cuz it was written by human beings, you know, is written by human beings, you know, is written by human beings, you know, is that even Jesus doesn't know. Even the that even Jesus doesn't know. Even the that even Jesus doesn't know. Even the angels don't know. So, angels don't know. So, angels don't know. So, let's not be deluded that we're going to let's not be deluded that we're going to let's not be deluded that we're going to know. And here is Bart Ehrman speaking know. And here is Bart Ehrman speaking know. And here is Bart Ehrman speaking on his blog post. He says, "But on his blog post. He says, "But on his blog post. He says, "But fundamentalists have succeeded in fundamentalists have succeeded in fundamentalists have succeeded in convincing everyone, or at least those convincing everyone, or at least those convincing everyone, or at least those that are remotely interested, that that are remotely interested, that that are remotely interested, that Revelation describes what will happen in Revelation describes what will happen in Revelation describes what will happen in the future, and probably very soon. But the future, and probably very soon. But the future, and probably very soon. But here is a little-known factoid from Bart here is a little-known factoid from Bart here is a little-known factoid from Bart Ehrman. The word rapture never appears Ehrman. The word rapture never appears Ehrman. The word rapture never appears in the Bible. Here's another. Even apart in the Bible. Here's another. Even apart in the Bible. Here's another. Even apart from the actual word, the Book of from the actual word, the Book of from the actual word, the Book of Revelation says nothing about the Revelation says nothing about the Revelation says nothing about the followers of Jesus being taken up out of followers of Jesus being taken up out of followers of Jesus being taken up out of the world before it goes up in flames. the world before it goes up in flames. the world before it goes up in flames. The idea of the rapture has not been The idea of the rapture has not been The idea of the rapture has not been taken from the Bible. It has been read taken from the Bible. It has been read taken from the Bible. It has been read into the Bible. So, the modern origins into the Bible. So, the modern origins into the Bible. So, the modern origins of the concept of an invisible, of the concept of an invisible, of the concept of an invisible, multi-stage, pre-tribulation rapture, multi-stage, pre-tribulation rapture, multi-stage, pre-tribulation rapture, where believers are taken out of the where believers are taken out of the where believers are taken out of the world years before Christ returns, was world years before Christ returns, was world years before Christ returns, was largely popularized in the 1830s by John largely popularized in the 1830s by John largely popularized in the 1830s by John Nelson, and later promoted by the Nelson, and later promoted by the Nelson, and later promoted by the Scofield Reference Bible. Mainstream and Scofield Reference Bible. Mainstream and Scofield Reference Bible. Mainstream and historical scholars point out that this historical scholars point out that this historical scholars point out that this specific interpretation did not exist specific interpretation did not exist specific interpretation did not exist for 1,800 for 1,800 for 1,800 years. The cited verse for the rapture years. The cited verse for the rapture years. The cited verse for the rapture is 1 Thessalonians, "caught up together is 1 Thessalonians, "caught up together is 1 Thessalonians, "caught up together with the clouds." Scholarly consensus on with the clouds." Scholarly consensus on with the clouds." Scholarly consensus on the text indicates that Paul is the text indicates that Paul is the text indicates that Paul is borrowing imagery from an ancient borrowing imagery from an ancient borrowing imagery from an ancient cultural practice. When visiting or cultural practice. When visiting or cultural practice. When visiting or dignity arrived at the city, the dignity arrived at the city, the dignity arrived at the city, the citizens would go outside the city walls citizens would go outside the city walls citizens would go outside the city walls to meet him and escort or usher him to meet him and escort or usher him to meet him and escort or usher him inside, rather than an escape to heaven.

  14. inside, rather than an escape to heaven. inside, rather than an escape to heaven. It describes as believers believers as It describes as believers believers as It describes as believers believers as going to out to meet the returning king going to out to meet the returning king going to out to meet the returning king and accompany him down to the renewed uh and accompany him down to the renewed uh and accompany him down to the renewed uh earth. The earth earth. The earth earth. The earth will be renewed, not that earth is bad. will be renewed, not that earth is bad. will be renewed, not that earth is bad. Here is another Bryce video that I just Here is another Bryce video that I just Here is another Bryce video that I just think is such a damaging message that think is such a damaging message that think is such a damaging message that Christians need to just wash themselves Christians need to just wash themselves Christians need to just wash themselves off, cuz this this stuff is not off, cuz this this stuff is not off, cuz this this stuff is not biblical. It really isn't. But yeah. biblical. It really isn't. But yeah. biblical. It really isn't. But yeah. >> a second time. So, when Jesus was >> a second time. So, when Jesus was >> a second time. So, when Jesus was ascending into heaven at Pentecost, even ascending into heaven at Pentecost, even ascending into heaven at Pentecost, even the apostles knew that they were in the the apostles knew that they were in the the apostles knew that they were in the end times when Jesus ascended because end times when Jesus ascended because end times when Jesus ascended because they were waiting on him to return a they were waiting on him to return a they were waiting on him to return a second time. So, there's no need to second time. So, there's no need to second time. So, there's no need to necessarily be afraid because we've necessarily be afraid because we've necessarily be afraid because we've always been in the end time. The end always been in the end time. The end always been in the end time. The end times are only scary if you're not a times are only scary if you're not a times are only scary if you're not a believer. You see, those who believe in believer. You see, those who believe in believer. You see, those who believe in Jesus Christ, those who have proclaimed Jesus Christ, those who have proclaimed Jesus Christ, those who have proclaimed the name of Jesus, invited him into the name of Jesus, invited him into the name of Jesus, invited him into their heart, and died to themselves and their heart, and died to themselves and their heart, and died to themselves and pick up their cross are the ones that pick up their cross are the ones that pick up their cross are the ones that will be saved. So, the good news about will be saved. So, the good news about will be saved. So, the good news about the end times is that Jesus wins and we the end times is that Jesus wins and we the end times is that Jesus wins and we don't have to worry about anything as don't have to worry about anything as don't have to worry about anything as believer. So, believer. So, believer. So, >> So, I think just saying that we don't >> So, I think just saying that we don't >> So, I think just saying that we don't need to worry about anything as need to worry about anything as need to worry about anything as believers. I think as Christians, to be believers. I think as Christians, to be believers. I think as Christians, to be humble, it speaks about Proverbs and humble, it speaks about Proverbs and humble, it speaks about Proverbs and Psalms, you know, Jesus speaks about it.

  15. Psalms, you know, Jesus speaks about it. Psalms, you know, Jesus speaks about it. You know, Jesus, the humble servant, you You know, Jesus, the humble servant, you You know, Jesus, the humble servant, you know, it's it's a thing of what does it know, it's it's a thing of what does it know, it's it's a thing of what does it mean to believe because I most mean to believe because I most mean to believe because I most Christians would not lay their lives Christians would not lay their lives Christians would not lay their lives down for one another. I mean, look at down for one another. I mean, look at down for one another. I mean, look at Look at Nazi Germany such a great Look at Nazi Germany such a great Look at Nazi Germany such a great example, you know, the church went along example, you know, the church went along example, you know, the church went along with it. All those that became to, you with it. All those that became to, you with it. All those that became to, you know, believe in Jesus and all this went know, believe in Jesus and all this went know, believe in Jesus and all this went along with the biggest atrocities ever. along with the biggest atrocities ever. along with the biggest atrocities ever. There were people who didn't believe There were people who didn't believe There were people who didn't believe that basically went completely against that basically went completely against that basically went completely against it. Do they believe more? I would argue it. Do they believe more? I would argue it. Do they believe more? I would argue yes, they do. Obviously, you had yes, they do. Obviously, you had yes, they do. Obviously, you had Dietrich Bonhoeffer the Confessing Dietrich Bonhoeffer the Confessing Dietrich Bonhoeffer the Confessing Church and some amazing German Church and some amazing German Church and some amazing German theologians. But, often those people theologians. But, often those people theologians. But, often those people that already believe don't, quote that already believe don't, quote that already believe don't, quote unquote, confess their lips in the way unquote, confess their lips in the way unquote, confess their lips in the way Bryce is speaking about here. And it's Bryce is speaking about here. And it's Bryce is speaking about here. And it's just such a damaging message. So, I'm just such a damaging message. So, I'm just such a damaging message. So, I'm sure Bryce Crawford does have a good sure Bryce Crawford does have a good sure Bryce Crawford does have a good heart and he's just he's just misguided heart and he's just he's just misguided heart and he's just he's just misguided in what he's saying. You know, he just in what he's saying. You know, he just in what he's saying. You know, he just seemed like a genuine person. But, I I seemed like a genuine person. But, I I seemed like a genuine person. But, I I just want to invite anyone who watches just want to invite anyone who watches just want to invite anyone who watches him, please just I would say take a lot him, please just I would say take a lot him, please just I would say take a lot of what he says about end times with a of what he says about end times with a of what he says about end times with a grain of salt cuz it's just not grain of salt cuz it's just not grain of salt cuz it's just not biblical, it's not true. And you look at biblical, it's not true. And you look at biblical, it's not true. And you look at the world, we already have hell in the the world, we already have hell in the the world, we already have hell in the world. We already have people in agony world. We already have people in agony world. We already have people in agony everywhere we look, both mentally, everywhere we look, both mentally, everywhere we look, both mentally, physically, economically. The list goes physically, economically. The list goes physically, economically. The list goes on and on and on and on. And it's on and on and on and on. And it's on and on and on and on. And it's absolutely devastating. And if you have absolutely devastating. And if you have absolutely devastating. And if you have even a little bit of relish over the even a little bit of relish over the even a little bit of relish over the notion that everything's going to be notion that everything's going to be notion that everything's going to be cushy cushy cushy because I believe in Jesus and everyone because I believe in Jesus and everyone because I believe in Jesus and everyone else is that God you believe in, that else is that God you believe in, that else is that God you believe in, that Jesus you believe in, I do not believe Jesus you believe in, I do not believe Jesus you believe in, I do not believe in. I do not resonate with. I that is in. I do not resonate with. I that is in. I do not resonate with. I that is not the Jesus I know. That's not the not the Jesus I know. That's not the not the Jesus I know. That's not the historical Jesus I've learned. That is historical Jesus I've learned. That is historical Jesus I've learned. That is not the Jesus I have in my heart every not the Jesus I have in my heart every not the Jesus I have in my heart every day. That is the furthest thing from

  16. day. That is the furthest thing from day. That is the furthest thing from scripture. So, I would just say if scripture. So, I would just say if scripture. So, I would just say if there's anyone who's kind of obsessed by there's anyone who's kind of obsessed by there's anyone who's kind of obsessed by this stuff, just I I would say just this stuff, just I I would say just this stuff, just I I would say just focus on other things. There are far focus on other things. There are far focus on other things. There are far more important things and this is very more important things and this is very more important things and this is very complex, you know, the Bible, the complex, you know, the Bible, the complex, you know, the Bible, the original manuscripts in Greek, you know, original manuscripts in Greek, you know, original manuscripts in Greek, you know, we we're reading translation of we we're reading translation of we we're reading translation of translation like to have such weight on translation like to have such weight on translation like to have such weight on some of these passages and not having a some of these passages and not having a some of these passages and not having a clue what they mean, who they were clue what they mean, who they were clue what they mean, who they were written to, the context, nothing. It it written to, the context, nothing. It it written to, the context, nothing. It it does so much more harm than good and does so much more harm than good and does so much more harm than good and yeah, I would just implore you actually yeah, I would just implore you actually yeah, I would just implore you actually look into this stuff and have your wits look into this stuff and have your wits look into this stuff and have your wits about you. But yeah, I hope you enjoyed about you. But yeah, I hope you enjoyed about you. But yeah, I hope you enjoyed this. This just a bit about end time this. This just a bit about end time this. This just a bit about end time stuff cuz I think it's a relevant thing stuff cuz I think it's a relevant thing stuff cuz I think it's a relevant thing to speak about. So, you've got a lot of to speak about. So, you've got a lot of to speak about. So, you've got a lot of Christians online speaking a lot about Christians online speaking a lot about Christians online speaking a lot about this. Yeah, I love all of you. God this. Yeah, I love all of you. God this. Yeah, I love all of you. God bless. Hope you have a class rest of bless. Hope you have a class rest of bless. Hope you have a class rest of your day and cheers. Peace.

Summary

The transcript critiques the common online Christian focus on Revelation and end times, particularly the notion of hell as eternal torment for non-believers. It references Revelation 21's promise of God wiping away tears, arguing this joy stems from the certainty of eternal life with God rather than a celebration of others' suffering. The takeaway is that Jesus's message was not about glorifying eternal torment but about faith, and that a focus on hell is a damaging misinterpretation.

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