London’s Muslim Prayer Battle: Are Christians Responding With Wisdom or Fear?

So, recently you had a mass Muslim So, recently you had a mass Muslim public prayer with even the mayor of public prayer with even the mayor of public prayer with even the mayor of London engaging in it and it bought much London engaging in it and it bought much London engaging in it and it bought much outrage from the likes of Kemi Badenoch, outrage from the likes of Kemi Badenoch, outrage from the likes of Kemi Badenoch, Nigel Farage commenting on it. Nigel Farage commenting on it. Nigel Farage commenting on it. >> Attempting dominance >> Attempting dominance >> Attempting dominance over our capital city and over our over our capital city and over our over our capital city and over our culture. culture. culture. >> Now, what is the Christian view of this? >> Now, what is the Christian view of this? >> Now, what is the Christian view of this? What can we know scripturally and what What can we know scripturally and what What can we know scripturally and what should we actually say when someone asks should we actually say when someone asks should we actually say when someone asks us what our opinions are of this? I us what our opinions are of this? I us what our opinions are of this? I think this is a fair point to ask think this is a fair point to ask think this is a fair point to ask because there's a lot of questions because there's a lot of questions because there's a lot of questions around this and a lot thrown about. But, around this and a lot thrown about. But, around this and a lot thrown about. But, let's jump into it. let's jump into it. let's jump into it. >> a whole new system and that would I just >> a whole new system and that would I just >> a whole new system and that would I just I'm very, very concerned about what that I'm very, very concerned about what that I'm very, very concerned about what that means for our culture. Um it's fine if means for our culture. Um it's fine if means for our culture. Um it's fine if it's lightly worn, but mass praying and it's lightly worn, but mass praying and it's lightly worn, but mass praying and it's not the first one we've seen. I did it's not the first one we've seen. I did it's not the first one we've seen. I did a story for talk about 6 to 9 months ago a story for talk about 6 to 9 months ago a story for talk about 6 to 9 months ago about those scenes on a beach on the on about those scenes on a beach on the on about those scenes on a beach on the on the beach down in Bournemouth. the beach down in Bournemouth. the beach down in Bournemouth. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> That is not wearing religion with >> That is not wearing religion with >> That is not wearing religion with delicacy and discretion. You know, I delicacy and discretion. You know, I delicacy and discretion. You know, I can't think of the Christian equivalent. can't think of the Christian equivalent. can't think of the Christian equivalent. Maybe we have church choirs that do Maybe we have church choirs that do Maybe we have church choirs that do carols um in stations. Um it's not quite carols um in stations. Um it's not quite carols um in stations. Um it's not quite the same thing, is it? Carols are the same thing, is it? Carols are the same thing, is it? Carols are something we all enjoy, something that's something we all enjoy, something that's something we all enjoy, something that's part of our heritage. We invite part of our heritage. We invite part of our heritage. We invite everybody to to to join in that.

everybody to to to join in that. everybody to to to join in that. >> So, it's an interesting point which they >> So, it's an interesting point which they >> So, it's an interesting point which they make. So, you know, they make the point make. So, you know, they make the point make. So, you know, they make the point about women. Now, you could say, "Well, about women. Now, you could say, "Well, about women. Now, you could say, "Well, look at multiple different faiths. look at multiple different faiths. look at multiple different faiths. There's, you know, look at Judaism." There's, you know, look at Judaism." There's, you know, look at Judaism." They're not talking about that. Look at They're not talking about that. Look at They're not talking about that. Look at certain other faiths. They're only certain other faiths. They're only certain other faiths. They're only targeting this faith. Now, it's fair to targeting this faith. Now, it's fair to targeting this faith. Now, it's fair to say that there's not often Christian say that there's not often Christian say that there's not often Christian equivalents to this, but let's actually equivalents to this, but let's actually equivalents to this, but let's actually look cuz there have been. So, here we look cuz there have been. So, here we look cuz there have been. So, here we go. The exact same place. Arguably go. The exact same place. Arguably go. The exact same place. Arguably actually more people praying, but here actually more people praying, but here actually more people praying, but here we go. we go. we go. >> Christianity is about what's been done, >> Christianity is about what's been done, >> Christianity is about what's been done, done, done. done, done. done, done. Religion is about humans trying to find Religion is about humans trying to find Religion is about humans trying to find God, but Christianity is God God, but Christianity is God God, but Christianity is God demonstrating demonstrating demonstrating >> So, as you can see, there is arguably >> So, as you can see, there is arguably >> So, as you can see, there is arguably actually more Christians doing that. actually more Christians doing that. actually more Christians doing that. Now, what is the difference, right? So, Now, what is the difference, right? So, Now, what is the difference, right? So, Christianity famously is one of the few Christianity famously is one of the few Christianity famously is one of the few religions that right from the beginning religions that right from the beginning religions that right from the beginning was all about choice and freedom. Jesus was all about choice and freedom. Jesus was all about choice and freedom. Jesus even in his ministry never once forced even in his ministry never once forced even in his ministry never once forced someone to follow him. It was the choice someone to follow him. It was the choice someone to follow him. It was the choice they had. So much of the bedrock of the they had. So much of the bedrock of the they had. So much of the bedrock of the Christian foundation of what we believe Christian foundation of what we believe Christian foundation of what we believe is based on choice. Now, the way Islam is based on choice. Now, the way Islam is based on choice. Now, the way Islam grew is very different from the way grew is very different from the way grew is very different from the way Christianity grew. Christianity grew Christianity grew. Christianity grew Christianity grew. Christianity grew through love.

through love. through love. And if we're going to start basically And if we're going to start basically And if we're going to start basically using the argument that as Christians we using the argument that as Christians we using the argument that as Christians we should ban this, we should stop this. should ban this, we should stop this. should ban this, we should stop this. This is at odds with what we believe. This is at odds with what we believe. This is at odds with what we believe. Now, there's some people who say you Now, there's some people who say you Now, there's some people who say you can't tolerate the intolerant because can't tolerate the intolerant because can't tolerate the intolerant because then you do become an intolerant then you do become an intolerant then you do become an intolerant society. But where does this end? society. But where does this end? society. But where does this end? Because Nigel Farage has said that he Because Nigel Farage has said that he Because Nigel Farage has said that he wants to ban this. And as Christians we wants to ban this. And as Christians we wants to ban this. And as Christians we are different. Right? Christianity is so are different. Right? Christianity is so are different. Right? Christianity is so much about freedom and choice. And there much about freedom and choice. And there much about freedom and choice. And there is an issue, ladies and gentlemen. I'm is an issue, ladies and gentlemen. I'm is an issue, ladies and gentlemen. I'm not going to deny it. There is an issue not going to deny it. There is an issue not going to deny it. There is an issue with, you know, certain sects of Islam with, you know, certain sects of Islam with, you know, certain sects of Islam where if you do leave the faith, you where if you do leave the faith, you where if you do leave the faith, you know, you're apostate, you will be in know, you're apostate, you will be in know, you're apostate, you will be in danger. If you do criticize certain danger. If you do criticize certain danger. If you do criticize certain figures within Islam, you will be in figures within Islam, you will be in figures within Islam, you will be in danger. That is wrong. And as Christians danger. That is wrong. And as Christians danger. That is wrong. And as Christians we should relish in the fact that we we should relish in the fact that we we should relish in the fact that we should show love to everyone. It doesn't should show love to everyone. It doesn't should show love to everyone. It doesn't matter what faith, what creed you are, matter what faith, what creed you are, matter what faith, what creed you are, we should show love to someone. And that we should show love to someone. And that we should show love to someone. And that is the That is the difference of is the That is the difference of is the That is the difference of Christianity. And the famous historian Christianity. And the famous historian Christianity. And the famous historian Tom Holland speaks about this. You know, Tom Holland speaks about this. You know, Tom Holland speaks about this. You know, as Christians choice and freedom is so as Christians choice and freedom is so as Christians choice and freedom is so important. And if we're going to say important. And if we're going to say important. And if we're going to say that this is an act of intimidation, we that this is an act of intimidation, we that this is an act of intimidation, we are, I believe, going against what we are, I believe, going against what we are, I believe, going against what we should believe as Christians and what is should believe as Christians and what is should believe as Christians and what is actually scripturally true. So, as in actually scripturally true. So, as in actually scripturally true. So, as in Peter it says, "But in your hearts Peter it says, "But in your hearts Peter it says, "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be revere Christ as Lord. Always be revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone prepared to give an answer to everyone prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for that who asks you to give the reason for that who asks you to give the reason for that hope you have. But do this with hope you have. But do this with hope you have. But do this with gentleness and respect." You know, gentleness and respect." You know, gentleness and respect." You know, gentleness and respect is very key. And gentleness and respect is very key. And gentleness and respect is very key. And what is the impact of somebody on TalkTV

what is the impact of somebody on TalkTV what is the impact of somebody on TalkTV basically saying a mass prayer is basically saying a mass prayer is basically saying a mass prayer is intimidating and is causing division. intimidating and is causing division. intimidating and is causing division. What is the impact of that? Now, you What is the impact of that? Now, you What is the impact of that? Now, you could say people watching some draw say, could say people watching some draw say, could say people watching some draw say, "Well, what is the impact of them doing "Well, what is the impact of them doing "Well, what is the impact of them doing that? That's causing division. That's" that? That's causing division. That's" that? That's causing division. That's" And you could say that, but it is their And you could say that, but it is their And you could say that, but it is their right to do that. And I really think it right to do that. And I really think it right to do that. And I really think it is very against Christianity to say, is very against Christianity to say, is very against Christianity to say, "Let's ban that." Because that goes "Let's ban that." Because that goes "Let's ban that." Because that goes against Christian values very much. We against Christian values very much. We against Christian values very much. We know not once did Jesus say, "You must know not once did Jesus say, "You must know not once did Jesus say, "You must follow me or I'm going to kill you." Not follow me or I'm going to kill you." Not follow me or I'm going to kill you." Not once did Jesus say that. Famously, you once did Jesus say that. Famously, you once did Jesus say that. Famously, you had in the temple and now some people had in the temple and now some people had in the temple and now some people could say this, where he lashed out and could say this, where he lashed out and could say this, where he lashed out and started, started, started, you know, whipping and driving money you know, whipping and driving money you know, whipping and driving money lenders out of the temple. But, the lenders out of the temple. But, the lenders out of the temple. But, the reason he did that was because of them reason he did that was because of them reason he did that was because of them being there, it actually disadvantaged being there, it actually disadvantaged being there, it actually disadvantaged people who were Gentiles, who weren't um people who were Gentiles, who weren't um people who were Gentiles, who weren't um Jews, from actually worshiping because Jews, from actually worshiping because Jews, from actually worshiping because that was a place for everyone. So, it that was a place for everyone. So, it that was a place for everyone. So, it was the actual inverse of what many was the actual inverse of what many was the actual inverse of what many people think. He was basically saying, people think. He was basically saying, people think. He was basically saying, "This is for everyone." You know, it "This is for everyone." You know, it "This is for everyone." You know, it should be everyone's free will to decide should be everyone's free will to decide should be everyone's free will to decide if they want to worship Yahweh, not just if they want to worship Yahweh, not just if they want to worship Yahweh, not just a select few in the you know, Jewish a select few in the you know, Jewish a select few in the you know, Jewish Sanhedrin or whatever. And that's the Sanhedrin or whatever. And that's the Sanhedrin or whatever. And that's the difference. She might be thinking, difference. She might be thinking, difference. She might be thinking, "Well, does Islam go against peace? Does "Well, does Islam go against peace? Does "Well, does Islam go against peace? Does it go" And I'm I'm not actually getting it go" And I'm I'm not actually getting it go" And I'm I'm not actually getting against a whole can of worms too much against a whole can of worms too much against a whole can of worms too much because one, I haven't read the Quran. I because one, I haven't read the Quran. I because one, I haven't read the Quran. I know a little bit about the Quran, but know a little bit about the Quran, but know a little bit about the Quran, but I'm not well educated at all in that.

I'm not well educated at all in that. I'm not well educated at all in that. But, let's see what Romans says. Romans But, let's see what Romans says. Romans But, let's see what Romans says. Romans says, "If it is possible, as far it says, "If it is possible, as far it says, "If it is possible, as far it depends on you, live at peace with depends on you, live at peace with depends on you, live at peace with everyone." And here we go, Matthew, as everyone." And here we go, Matthew, as everyone." And here we go, Matthew, as our Lord Jesus Christ said, "But, I tell our Lord Jesus Christ said, "But, I tell our Lord Jesus Christ said, "But, I tell you, love your enemy and pray for those you, love your enemy and pray for those you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you." So, if you are who persecute you." So, if you are who persecute you." So, if you are someone there who's watching this, who someone there who's watching this, who someone there who's watching this, who thinks that Muslims are the enemy, one, thinks that Muslims are the enemy, one, thinks that Muslims are the enemy, one, I would say that's completely wrong. If I would say that's completely wrong. If I would say that's completely wrong. If you think Muslims are the enemy, that you think Muslims are the enemy, that you think Muslims are the enemy, that the Muslims are the people who value the Muslims are the people who value the Muslims are the people who value Christianity, who value Jesus, who are Christianity, who value Jesus, who are Christianity, who value Jesus, who are more in line with our Lord Jesus Christ more in line with our Lord Jesus Christ more in line with our Lord Jesus Christ than most people um of all faiths, let than most people um of all faiths, let than most people um of all faiths, let alone atheists. I mean, atheists, you alone atheists. I mean, atheists, you alone atheists. I mean, atheists, you could say is the biggest thing that's could say is the biggest thing that's could say is the biggest thing that's against Christianity, but you know, against Christianity, but you know, against Christianity, but you know, famously at the London Olympics, you had famously at the London Olympics, you had famously at the London Olympics, you had um Muslim leaders condemning the um Muslim leaders condemning the um Muslim leaders condemning the offensive display of the Last Supper. offensive display of the Last Supper. offensive display of the Last Supper. You had absolute outrage in the Muslim You had absolute outrage in the Muslim You had absolute outrage in the Muslim community. Now, that's not to say that community. Now, that's not to say that community. Now, that's not to say that there's not there's not there's not serious issues of integration or certain serious issues of integration or certain serious issues of integration or certain things like that within things like that within things like that within um the UK. And I'm not saying if you do um the UK. And I'm not saying if you do um the UK. And I'm not saying if you do believe that, you are racist. But, let's believe that, you are racist. But, let's believe that, you are racist. But, let's not get mistaken that our Muslim not get mistaken that our Muslim not get mistaken that our Muslim brothers and sisters value Jesus so brothers and sisters value Jesus so brothers and sisters value Jesus so much. Now, they don't believe he was much. Now, they don't believe he was much. Now, they don't believe he was God, and they do undermine the Gospels, God, and they do undermine the Gospels, God, and they do undermine the Gospels, and Muhammad clearly claims something and Muhammad clearly claims something and Muhammad clearly claims something very different from the Gospels. But, very different from the Gospels. But, very different from the Gospels. But, let's not pretend that they're somehow let's not pretend that they're somehow let's not pretend that they're somehow like against us, or we should hate them, like against us, or we should hate them, like against us, or we should hate them, because any person who preaches anything because any person who preaches anything because any person who preaches anything remotely like that, do be away with remotely like that, do be away with remotely like that, do be away with them. That is not from a place of love.

them. That is not from a place of love. them. That is not from a place of love. As Paul speaks about, everything we must As Paul speaks about, everything we must As Paul speaks about, everything we must do must be done in love. And here we do must be done in love. And here we do must be done in love. And here we have in the Quran Jesus as a baby have in the Quran Jesus as a baby have in the Quran Jesus as a baby talking. And he says, Jesus said, talking. And he says, Jesus said, talking. And he says, Jesus said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah. He has given me the scripture and made me a has given me the scripture and made me a has given me the scripture and made me a prophet." Now, if you have a serious prophet." Now, if you have a serious prophet." Now, if you have a serious issue with Islam, you should also have a issue with Islam, you should also have a issue with Islam, you should also have a massive issue with atheism. Now, you massive issue with atheism. Now, you massive issue with atheism. Now, you could say, "Oh, atheists aren't as, you could say, "Oh, atheists aren't as, you could say, "Oh, atheists aren't as, you know, violent, or they're not this." You know, violent, or they're not this." You know, violent, or they're not this." You could say that, right? But, let's not could say that, right? But, let's not could say that, right? But, let's not pretend that Muslims don't like Jesus. pretend that Muslims don't like Jesus. pretend that Muslims don't like Jesus. Let's not pretend that there's not so Let's not pretend that there's not so Let's not pretend that there's not so many similarities between Christianity many similarities between Christianity many similarities between Christianity and Islam. And let's also not forget the and Islam. And let's also not forget the and Islam. And let's also not forget the Crusades, where we went around the world Crusades, where we went around the world Crusades, where we went around the world murdering people who didn't convert, murdering people who didn't convert, murdering people who didn't convert, where we did them some of the most where we did them some of the most where we did them some of the most horrific atrocities in history, because horrific atrocities in history, because horrific atrocities in history, because I think that would also be us not being I think that would also be us not being I think that would also be us not being honest and truthful with ourselves. Now, honest and truthful with ourselves. Now, honest and truthful with ourselves. Now, there is a difference of how it started. there is a difference of how it started. there is a difference of how it started. Christianity started with love, Christianity started with love, Christianity started with love, and it's clear that Islam started with and it's clear that Islam started with and it's clear that Islam started with something a bit different, the way the something a bit different, the way the something a bit different, the way the the faith spread. That's a fair the faith spread. That's a fair the faith spread. That's a fair criticism. But, let's not spread hate, criticism. But, let's not spread hate, criticism. But, let's not spread hate, ladies and gentlemen. And let's actually ladies and gentlemen. And let's actually ladies and gentlemen. And let's actually bring it back to Paul in Athens of what bring it back to Paul in Athens of what bring it back to Paul in Athens of what he said. So, he said, "Men of Athens, I he said. So, he said, "Men of Athens, I he said. So, he said, "Men of Athens, I see that in every way, you are very see that in every way, you are very see that in every way, you are very religious in acts.

religious in acts. religious in acts. So, this is a very, very good point. So, So, this is a very, very good point. So, So, this is a very, very good point. So, he's preaching, he's trying to convert he's preaching, he's trying to convert he's preaching, he's trying to convert people, obviously, Paul, the famous people, obviously, Paul, the famous people, obviously, Paul, the famous evangelist, and he actually basically evangelist, and he actually basically evangelist, and he actually basically meets them where they are. They say, meets them where they are. They say, meets them where they are. They say, "You are clearly very religious." He "You are clearly very religious." He "You are clearly very religious." He thinks they're misguided and the thing thinks they're misguided and the thing thinks they're misguided and the thing they are religious about is wrong and they are religious about is wrong and they are religious about is wrong and they should change their ways, but he they should change their ways, but he they should change their ways, but he doesn't say, he doesn't insult. He says, doesn't say, he doesn't insult. He says, doesn't say, he doesn't insult. He says, "You are clearly very religious." And "You are clearly very religious." And "You are clearly very religious." And there's a lot of beauty in this. I'm there's a lot of beauty in this. I'm there's a lot of beauty in this. I'm There's a lot of beauty of modesty. There's a lot of beauty of modesty. There's a lot of beauty of modesty. There's a lot of beauty of giving. I There's a lot of beauty of giving. I There's a lot of beauty of giving. I mean, the amount of duty to giving to mean, the amount of duty to giving to mean, the amount of duty to giving to the poor, to giving to charity is is the poor, to giving to charity is is the poor, to giving to charity is is fantastic. And that's not saying that fantastic. And that's not saying that fantastic. And that's not saying that all Muslims are like that cuz it's just all Muslims are like that cuz it's just all Muslims are like that cuz it's just like Christianity, there's a mixed bag, like Christianity, there's a mixed bag, like Christianity, there's a mixed bag, and there's so many different sects, and there's so many different sects, and there's so many different sects, there's so many different types of there's so many different types of there's so many different types of Muslims, you know, the strict Muslims, Muslims, you know, the strict Muslims, Muslims, you know, the strict Muslims, some Muslims and strict some Muslims, some Muslims and strict some Muslims, some Muslims and strict some Muslims, and stuff. But, there's there's a lot we and stuff. But, there's there's a lot we and stuff. But, there's there's a lot we can learn from that culture. can learn from that culture. can learn from that culture. And we must, again, do it in love, you And we must, again, do it in love, you And we must, again, do it in love, you know, love is is so much there. And we know, love is is so much there. And we know, love is is so much there. And we got in Corinthians, you know, what got in Corinthians, you know, what got in Corinthians, you know, what business of mine is it to judge those business of mine is it to judge those business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge outside the church? Are you not to judge outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside, you know? The the point those inside, you know? The the point those inside, you know? The the point there basically there basically there basically those who confess that Jesus is Lord and those who confess that Jesus is Lord and those who confess that Jesus is Lord and Jesus is the Messiah, you know, they Jesus is the Messiah, you know, they Jesus is the Messiah, you know, they they could be a righteous judgment to they could be a righteous judgment to they could be a righteous judgment to them, but if someone does not believe them, but if someone does not believe them, but if someone does not believe Jesus is Lord and does not hold the same Jesus is Lord and does not hold the same Jesus is Lord and does not hold the same frame set mindset, you know, should we frame set mindset, you know, should we frame set mindset, you know, should we really be casting the stone towards really be casting the stone towards really be casting the stone towards them? You know, and I think this is like them? You know, and I think this is like them? You know, and I think this is like with Muslims, our fellow brothers and with Muslims, our fellow brothers and with Muslims, our fellow brothers and sisters, you know, while I wish the sisters, you know, while I wish the sisters, you know, while I wish the Muslims would become Christian and Muslims would become Christian and Muslims would become Christian and believe that Jesus is Lord, and we do believe that Jesus is Lord, and we do believe that Jesus is Lord, and we do see that, you know, one in four Muslims see that, you know, one in four Muslims see that, you know, one in four Muslims do convert to Christianity, have a do convert to Christianity, have a do convert to Christianity, have a dream, meet Jesus, and it is happening.

dream, meet Jesus, and it is happening. dream, meet Jesus, and it is happening. But, do not show like disrespectful But, do not show like disrespectful But, do not show like disrespectful judgment to our fellow Muslim brothers judgment to our fellow Muslim brothers judgment to our fellow Muslim brothers and sisters. And let's actually watch and sisters. And let's actually watch and sisters. And let's actually watch this clip. Now, I'm not a fan of LBC or this clip. Now, I'm not a fan of LBC or this clip. Now, I'm not a fan of LBC or the Newsagents Podcast at all. I'm the Newsagents Podcast at all. I'm the Newsagents Podcast at all. I'm actually actually actually I won't lie, I actually really don't I won't lie, I actually really don't I won't lie, I actually really don't like them, but isn't this is like them, but isn't this is like them, but isn't this is interesting, so give this a watch. interesting, so give this a watch. interesting, so give this a watch. >> window so far >> window so far >> window so far so much that a conservative member of so much that a conservative member of so much that a conservative member of parliament now feels comfortable to parliament now feels comfortable to parliament now feels comfortable to state these facts. state these facts. state these facts. >> So, just to clarify, Trafalgar Square >> So, just to clarify, Trafalgar Square >> So, just to clarify, Trafalgar Square has been used for Sikhs to celebrate has been used for Sikhs to celebrate has been used for Sikhs to celebrate their festivals, by Jews to celebrate their festivals, by Jews to celebrate their festivals, by Jews to celebrate Hanukkah, their festivals. It has been Hanukkah, their festivals. It has been Hanukkah, their festivals. It has been used by Christians and by no used by Christians and by no used by Christians and by no denomination at all. But denomination at all. But denomination at all. But only when the Muslims went to pray in only when the Muslims went to pray in only when the Muslims went to pray in the last week of Ramadan did it strike a the last week of Ramadan did it strike a the last week of Ramadan did it strike a chord into the Shadow Justice chord into the Shadow Justice chord into the Shadow Justice Secretary's heart that he felt the need Secretary's heart that he felt the need Secretary's heart that he felt the need to tweet. to tweet. to tweet. >> I think this has to be viewed in >> I think this has to be viewed in >> I think this has to be viewed in the light of a wider the light of a wider the light of a wider radicalization on on the right of radicalization on on the right of radicalization on on the right of British politics. I think Tommy British politics. I think Tommy British politics. I think Tommy Robinson's right. I think too not often Robinson's right. I think too not often Robinson's right. I think too not often you say that particularly on this show, you say that particularly on this show, you say that particularly on this show, but you know, 2 years ago I 3 years ago but you know, 2 years ago I 3 years ago but you know, 2 years ago I 3 years ago you probably wouldn't have had the you probably wouldn't have had the you probably wouldn't have had the Shadow Justice Secretary saying Shadow Justice Secretary saying Shadow Justice Secretary saying something like this. Basically saying something like this. Basically saying something like this. Basically saying that it's okay to be Muslim in this that it's okay to be Muslim in this that it's okay to be Muslim in this country as long as you're quiet about it country as long as you're quiet about it country as long as you're quiet about it and we don't see you. That's basically and we don't see you. That's basically and we don't see you. That's basically what the kind of critique is of saying what the kind of critique is of saying what the kind of critique is of saying this is an act of domination. But I this is an act of domination. But I this is an act of domination. But I think that not just in the Conservative think that not just in the Conservative think that not just in the Conservative Party, but on the right of British Party, but on the right of British Party, but on the right of British politics generally, we see again and

politics generally, we see again and politics generally, we see again and again use the the phrase Emily, one of again use the the phrase Emily, one of again use the the phrase Emily, one of our favorites, you know, the Overton our favorites, you know, the Overton our favorites, you know, the Overton window is shifting and shifting and window is shifting and shifting and window is shifting and shifting and shifting. shifting. shifting. >> it's Tommy Robinson telling us about the >> it's Tommy Robinson telling us about the >> it's Tommy Robinson telling us about the Overton window. Overton window. Overton window. >> That's the phrase that's the change in >> That's the phrase that's the change in >> That's the phrase that's the change in the Overton window, isn't the Overton window, isn't the Overton window, isn't >> Tommy's window. Um >> Tommy's window. Um >> Tommy's window. Um look, look, look, you know, if we go back say 5 year 5 you know, if we go back say 5 year 5 you know, if we go back say 5 year 5 years or so, years or so, years or so, um there was a sort of watered down um there was a sort of watered down um there was a sort of watered down inquiry into accusations of Islamophobia inquiry into accusations of Islamophobia inquiry into accusations of Islamophobia or anti-Muslim sentiment in the or anti-Muslim sentiment in the or anti-Muslim sentiment in the Conservative Party. It found even then Conservative Party. It found even then Conservative Party. It found even then councillors calling for Muslims to be councillors calling for Muslims to be councillors calling for Muslims to be banned from the party, uh thrown from banned from the party, uh thrown from banned from the party, uh thrown from bridges, forcibly sterilized, members in bridges, forcibly sterilized, members in bridges, forcibly sterilized, members in anti-Islam Facebook groups, offenders anti-Islam Facebook groups, offenders anti-Islam Facebook groups, offenders nonetheless quietly reinstated after nonetheless quietly reinstated after nonetheless quietly reinstated after short suspensions. We had the then short suspensions. We had the then short suspensions. We had the then leader of the Conservative Party or I leader of the Conservative Party or I leader of the Conservative Party or I think he wants to be leader at that think he wants to be leader at that think he wants to be leader at that Boris Johnson, you know, writing columns Boris Johnson, you know, writing columns Boris Johnson, you know, writing columns about women looking Muslim women looking about women looking Muslim women looking about women looking Muslim women looking like letter boxes. We had Suella like letter boxes. We had Suella like letter boxes. We had Suella Braverman when she was in the Tory party Braverman when she was in the Tory party Braverman when she was in the Tory party claiming Islamists were running the claiming Islamists were running the claiming Islamists were running the country. Lee Anderson, when he was in country. Lee Anderson, when he was in country. Lee Anderson, when he was in the Tory party, said they'd taken the Tory party, said they'd taken the Tory party, said they'd taken control of the London mayor. I think control of the London mayor. I think control of the London mayor. I think that, you know, you've got to see it that, you know, you've got to see it that, you know, you've got to see it in a party or in the guys of not just a in a party or in the guys of not just a in a party or in the guys of not just a party but the sort of wider right, which party but the sort of wider right, which party but the sort of wider right, which seems uniquely to have a problem with seems uniquely to have a problem with seems uniquely to have a problem with Muslims. You know, one of the metaphors Muslims. You know, one of the metaphors Muslims. You know, one of the metaphors about the the way that debate has become about the the way that debate has become about the the way that debate has become so polarized in this country is that in so polarized in this country is that in so polarized in this country is that in the public square that, you know, you the public square that, you know, you the public square that, you know, you can't debate these ideas.

can't debate these ideas. can't debate these ideas. Trafalgar Square is literally our public Trafalgar Square is literally our public Trafalgar Square is literally our public square. square. square. >> So, it's fair to say that the view of >> So, it's fair to say that the view of >> So, it's fair to say that the view of Muslims and the view the people are Muslims and the view the people are Muslims and the view the people are showing towards Muslims has been showing towards Muslims has been showing towards Muslims has been changing. Now, I'm not saying if you changing. Now, I'm not saying if you changing. Now, I'm not saying if you have an issue with, may that be have an issue with, may that be have an issue with, may that be integration, may that be Muslim integration, may that be Muslim integration, may that be Muslim communities not accepting those who are communities not accepting those who are communities not accepting those who are homosexual, may that be the treatment of homosexual, may that be the treatment of homosexual, may that be the treatment of women, may that be certain things that women, may that be certain things that women, may that be certain things that have happened in the UK, horrific things have happened in the UK, horrific things have happened in the UK, horrific things to thousands of girls. Um, and you think to thousands of girls. Um, and you think to thousands of girls. Um, and you think there have been issues there. That is there have been issues there. That is there have been issues there. That is not to say that you cannot say that. And not to say that you cannot say that. And not to say that you cannot say that. And that's also not to say that you're that's also not to say that you're that's also not to say that you're racist if you have some concerns around racist if you have some concerns around racist if you have some concerns around Islam, may that be if you leave the Islam, may that be if you leave the Islam, may that be if you leave the faith, may that be if you're homosexual. faith, may that be if you're homosexual. faith, may that be if you're homosexual. As I said, that's okay. I'm not pointing As I said, that's okay. I'm not pointing As I said, that's okay. I'm not pointing the finger and calling you a racist, the finger and calling you a racist, the finger and calling you a racist, right? But, as Christians, everything we right? But, as Christians, everything we right? But, as Christians, everything we must do must be done in love. And it's must do must be done in love. And it's must do must be done in love. And it's okay to be concerned by something, but okay to be concerned by something, but okay to be concerned by something, but it's another thing to say, "No, you it's another thing to say, "No, you it's another thing to say, "No, you can't do that." Where you act like those can't do that." Where you act like those can't do that." Where you act like those people over there are the worst people people over there are the worst people people over there are the worst people ever because that is not coming from a ever because that is not coming from a ever because that is not coming from a place of what our Lord preached. As it place of what our Lord preached. As it place of what our Lord preached. As it says in Luke, my favorite gospel, "For says in Luke, my favorite gospel, "For says in Luke, my favorite gospel, "For the son of man has not come to destroy the son of man has not come to destroy the son of man has not come to destroy men's lives but to save them." There we men's lives but to save them." There we men's lives but to save them." There we go.

go. go. And bear in mind, famously, when James And bear in mind, famously, when James And bear in mind, famously, when James and John are there's some Samaritans, I and John are there's some Samaritans, I and John are there's some Samaritans, I think it's Samaritans or from Samaria, think it's Samaritans or from Samaria, think it's Samaritans or from Samaria, who who go and insult Jesus and attack who who go and insult Jesus and attack who who go and insult Jesus and attack him kind of, they say, you know, they him kind of, they say, you know, they him kind of, they say, you know, they go, "Should we bring the rains of go, "Should we bring the rains of go, "Should we bring the rains of thunder and lightning or it's not um you thunder and lightning or it's not um you thunder and lightning or it's not um you know, Jesus says no." And the reason he know, Jesus says no." And the reason he know, Jesus says no." And the reason he says that is cuz we must show love to says that is cuz we must show love to says that is cuz we must show love to our enemies. That is reiterated. As I our enemies. That is reiterated. As I our enemies. That is reiterated. As I always say, the Sermon on the Mount, always say, the Sermon on the Mount, always say, the Sermon on the Mount, love your enemies. If someone asks you love your enemies. If someone asks you love your enemies. If someone asks you for a bit of clothing, give them more. for a bit of clothing, give them more. for a bit of clothing, give them more. If someone asks you to walk 1 mi, walk If someone asks you to walk 1 mi, walk If someone asks you to walk 1 mi, walk 2. We must always do everything we do in 2. We must always do everything we do in 2. We must always do everything we do in love, radical love. That's not to say love, radical love. That's not to say love, radical love. That's not to say that we cannot have concerns. That's not that we cannot have concerns. That's not that we cannot have concerns. That's not to say that we cannot, you know, be to say that we cannot, you know, be to say that we cannot, you know, be concerned that there's certain concerned that there's certain concerned that there's certain communities that are becoming separate communities that are becoming separate communities that are becoming separate in in places in the UK. Now, that'd be in in places in the UK. Now, that'd be in in places in the UK. Now, that'd be Rochdale, now that'd be Bradford. That's Rochdale, now that'd be Bradford. That's Rochdale, now that'd be Bradford. That's okay. You can have those opinions, but okay. You can have those opinions, but okay. You can have those opinions, but the way you communicate that and what the way you communicate that and what the way you communicate that and what you say in their freedom of religion, of you say in their freedom of religion, of you say in their freedom of religion, of expression self, which is such a core expression self, which is such a core expression self, which is such a core tenant of what it means to be British, tenant of what it means to be British, tenant of what it means to be British, you know, freedom of religion, the you know, freedom of religion, the you know, freedom of religion, the notion that what whoever you are, you notion that what whoever you are, you notion that what whoever you are, you can express yourself in a free way. And can express yourself in a free way. And can express yourself in a free way. And Reform UK now come out saying, you know, Reform UK now come out saying, you know, Reform UK now come out saying, you know, we would ban this. There's massive we would ban this. There's massive we would ban this. There's massive questions there. Same with Restore questions there. Same with Restore questions there. Same with Restore Britain, you know, you got people like Britain, you know, you got people like Britain, you know, you got people like Charlie Bounds who are coming out Charlie Bounds who are coming out Charlie Bounds who are coming out talking about Christian values in the talking about Christian values in the talking about Christian values in the same breath saying, "We'll ban this, same breath saying, "We'll ban this, same breath saying, "We'll ban this, we'll ban that." I mean, what type of we'll ban that." I mean, what type of we'll ban that." I mean, what type of person Sorry, I don't want to say person person Sorry, I don't want to say person person Sorry, I don't want to say person cuz I don't want to come cuz I don't want to come cuz I don't want to come come across as private there, but what come across as private there, but what come across as private there, but what type of Christian values, what type of type of Christian values, what type of type of Christian values, what type of gospels is he is he reading? You know, gospels is he is he reading? You know, gospels is he is he reading? You know, banning the burqa, what we going to do?

banning the burqa, what we going to do? banning the burqa, what we going to do? Start banning nuns from wearing veils, Start banning nuns from wearing veils, Start banning nuns from wearing veils, you know? Are we going to start banning you know? Are we going to start banning you know? Are we going to start banning Orthodox Christian churches from them Orthodox Christian churches from them Orthodox Christian churches from them wearing veils in church? You know, you wearing veils in church? You know, you wearing veils in church? You know, you could say, "Well, that's not a public could say, "Well, that's not a public could say, "Well, that's not a public space. Maybe it's just a ban in public space. Maybe it's just a ban in public space. Maybe it's just a ban in public space." You could say that, but like space." You could say that, but like space." You could say that, but like it this or like fancy dress. Like what it this or like fancy dress. Like what it this or like fancy dress. Like what what you you know, what you you know, what you you know, the list goes on and on and on. If the list goes on and on and on. If the list goes on and on and on. If someone's going skiing and they put on someone's going skiing and they put on someone's going skiing and they put on their thing before going skiing, are their thing before going skiing, are their thing before going skiing, are they going to get, you know, arrested? they going to get, you know, arrested? they going to get, you know, arrested? You going to chuck people into prison You going to chuck people into prison You going to chuck people into prison for wearing a bit of cloth on their for wearing a bit of cloth on their for wearing a bit of cloth on their face? face? face? Ridiculous. I don't think that Ridiculous. I don't think that Ridiculous. I don't think that corresponds with corresponds with corresponds with what it means to be Christian, Christian what it means to be Christian, Christian what it means to be Christian, Christian values whatsoever. So, the Book of values whatsoever. So, the Book of values whatsoever. So, the Book of James, my all-time favorite book in the James, my all-time favorite book in the James, my all-time favorite book in the Bible, with the tongue we praise our Bible, with the tongue we praise our Bible, with the tongue we praise our Lord and Father with it we curse human Lord and Father with it we curse human Lord and Father with it we curse human beings who have not been made in God's beings who have not been made in God's beings who have not been made in God's likeness. Out of the same mouth come likeness. Out of the same mouth come likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and praise and cursing. My brothers and praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. You know, sisters, this should not be. You know, sisters, this should not be. You know, we can't say Jesus is Lord, um you know, we can't say Jesus is Lord, um you know, we can't say Jesus is Lord, um you know, like God, Christianity's right, in the like God, Christianity's right, in the like God, Christianity's right, in the same breath same breath same breath show hatred or disdain for our fellow show hatred or disdain for our fellow show hatred or disdain for our fellow brothers and sisters. Now, so the brothers and sisters. Now, so the brothers and sisters. Now, so the Christian view of this, I would say, is Christian view of this, I would say, is Christian view of this, I would say, is we can think whatever we like about we can think whatever we like about we can think whatever we like about Muslims praying, but whatever we do Muslims praying, but whatever we do Muslims praying, but whatever we do think about that must be done in love.

think about that must be done in love. think about that must be done in love. And similarly, I do not believe it is And similarly, I do not believe it is And similarly, I do not believe it is Christian to want to ban that. Now, Christian to want to ban that. Now, Christian to want to ban that. Now, people could say, "Well, in Muslim people could say, "Well, in Muslim people could say, "Well, in Muslim countries they ban that." But but countries they ban that." But but countries they ban that." But but as a Christian country, I think it's as a Christian country, I think it's as a Christian country, I think it's very very vital that we hold on to very very vital that we hold on to very very vital that we hold on to freedom of religion and the freedom to freedom of religion and the freedom to freedom of religion and the freedom to express your religion, whoever you are, express your religion, whoever you are, express your religion, whoever you are, whatever religion, because that is a whatever religion, because that is a whatever religion, because that is a Christian value. Like, so much of the Christian value. Like, so much of the Christian value. Like, so much of the uniqueness of Christianity is the uniqueness of Christianity is the uniqueness of Christianity is the acceptance of other religions. And while acceptance of other religions. And while acceptance of other religions. And while other religions do not accept other other religions do not accept other other religions do not accept other religions, and if you leave the religion religions, and if you leave the religion religions, and if you leave the religion you'll be in danger, if you criticize you'll be in danger, if you criticize you'll be in danger, if you criticize There's so many issues there, the list There's so many issues there, the list There's so many issues there, the list could go on, but one of the beauties of could go on, but one of the beauties of could go on, but one of the beauties of Christianity is the freedom. Christianity is the freedom. Christianity is the freedom. You know, the doors of hell are shut You know, the doors of hell are shut You know, the doors of hell are shut from the inside, as C. S. Lewis says. from the inside, as C. S. Lewis says. from the inside, as C. S. Lewis says. And we must not forget that. So, I hope And we must not forget that. So, I hope And we must not forget that. So, I hope this has given a bit of insight into the this has given a bit of insight into the this has given a bit of insight into the Christian perspective over what's going Christian perspective over what's going Christian perspective over what's going on. And wherever you sit politically, on. And wherever you sit politically, on. And wherever you sit politically, may may that be your right wing, your may may that be your right wing, your may may that be your right wing, your left wing, and I'm not even going to say left wing, and I'm not even going to say left wing, and I'm not even going to say if I'm right wing or left wing, you must if I'm right wing or left wing, you must if I'm right wing or left wing, you must do what you do in love. And this is do what you do in love. And this is do what you do in love. And this is something I will always say, and I don't something I will always say, and I don't something I will always say, and I don't care if people in the comments are going care if people in the comments are going care if people in the comments are going to rip into me and say, "Oh, you're just to rip into me and say, "Oh, you're just to rip into me and say, "Oh, you're just a woke lefty. You don't believe in a woke lefty. You don't believe in a woke lefty. You don't believe in proper Christianity. You know, you're a proper Christianity. You know, you're a proper Christianity. You know, you're a post-modern wet liberal, whatever." I post-modern wet liberal, whatever." I post-modern wet liberal, whatever." I don't care, because don't care, because don't care, because what I'm saying here, I believe, is from what I'm saying here, I believe, is from what I'm saying here, I believe, is from our Lord Jesus Christ. It's from the our Lord Jesus Christ. It's from the our Lord Jesus Christ. It's from the Bible. Now, you can interpret the Bible Bible. Now, you can interpret the Bible Bible. Now, you can interpret the Bible however you want, but let's always do however you want, but let's always do however you want, but let's always do everything we don't do in love. Whether everything we don't do in love. Whether everything we don't do in love. Whether you're left wing, whether you're right you're left wing, whether you're right you're left wing, whether you're right wing, whether you have a different way wing, whether you have a different way wing, whether you have a different way of whether you don't like his lamb, you

of whether you don't like his lamb, you of whether you don't like his lamb, you think it is completely heretical, think it is completely heretical, think it is completely heretical, completely outside of Christianity, as a completely outside of Christianity, as a completely outside of Christianity, as a Christian, we must show love to our Christian, we must show love to our Christian, we must show love to our brothers and sisters. brothers and sisters. brothers and sisters. And cuz everyone is made in God's image. And cuz everyone is made in God's image. And cuz everyone is made in God's image. I just wanted to make this video. I hope I just wanted to make this video. I hope I just wanted to make this video. I hope this does give a little insight into the this does give a little insight into the this does give a little insight into the Christian perspective over what we Christian perspective over what we Christian perspective over what we should make out here. Peace. Yeah. I should make out here. Peace. Yeah. I should make out here. Peace. Yeah. I love you all. Take it easy, and peace.