TOP Scientist Drops BOMBSHELL About Jesus That Shakes Atheism (Francis Collins)

So what's the argument? The argument is So what's the argument? The argument is that we humans are unique in the animal that we humans are unique in the animal that we humans are unique in the animal kingdom by apparently having a law that kingdom by apparently having a law that kingdom by apparently having a law that we are under although we seem free to we are under although we seem free to we are under although we seem free to break it because that happens every day. break it because that happens every day. break it because that happens every day. And the law is that there's something And the law is that there's something And the law is that there's something called right and there's something called right and there's something called right and there's something called wrong and we're supposed to do called wrong and we're supposed to do called wrong and we're supposed to do the right thing and not the wrong thing. the right thing and not the wrong thing. the right thing and not the wrong thing. Well, the moral law sometimes calls us Well, the moral law sometimes calls us Well, the moral law sometimes calls us to do some pretty dramatic things, to do some pretty dramatic things, to do some pretty dramatic things, particularly in terms of altruism where particularly in terms of altruism where particularly in terms of altruism where you do something sacrificial for you do something sacrificial for you do something sacrificial for somebody else. And what about that? somebody else. And what about that? somebody else. And what about that? People may argue and they have and they People may argue and they have and they People may argue and they have and they will continue to that this can all be will continue to that this can all be will continue to that this can all be explained by evolution and those are explained by evolution and those are explained by evolution and those are useful arguments to look at. useful arguments to look at. useful arguments to look at. >> So like a very typical argument there >> So like a very typical argument there >> So like a very typical argument there would be what Richard Dawkins says in would be what Richard Dawkins says in would be what Richard Dawkins says in the God illusion which is that our DNA the God illusion which is that our DNA the God illusion which is that our DNA neither cares nor knows. DNA just is and neither cares nor knows. DNA just is and neither cares nor knows. DNA just is and we dance to its music. Is this a we dance to its music. Is this a we dance to its music. Is this a plausible explanation for the most plausible explanation for the most plausible explanation for the most radical things you can possibly think radical things you can possibly think radical things you can possibly think of? I don't think so. and neither does of? I don't think so. and neither does of? I don't think so. and neither does this top top scientists. We'll see what this top top scientists. We'll see what this top top scientists. We'll see what else he says, ladies and gentlemen.

else he says, ladies and gentlemen. else he says, ladies and gentlemen. >> So, for instance, if you're being >> So, for instance, if you're being >> So, for instance, if you're being altruistic to your own family, you can altruistic to your own family, you can altruistic to your own family, you can see how that might make sense from an see how that might make sense from an see how that might make sense from an evolutionary perspective because they evolutionary perspective because they evolutionary perspective because they share your DNA. So, if you're helping share your DNA. So, if you're helping share your DNA. So, if you're helping their DNA survive, well, it's yours, their DNA survive, well, it's yours, their DNA survive, well, it's yours, too. And so, that makes sense from a too. And so, that makes sense from a too. And so, that makes sense from a Darwinian argument about reproductive Darwinian argument about reproductive Darwinian argument about reproductive fitness. If you are being nice to fitness. If you are being nice to fitness. If you are being nice to somebody in expectation they'll be nice somebody in expectation they'll be nice somebody in expectation they'll be nice to you later, a reciprocal form of to you later, a reciprocal form of to you later, a reciprocal form of altruism. Well, okay, you could see how altruism. Well, okay, you could see how altruism. Well, okay, you could see how that might also make sense in terms of that might also make sense in terms of that might also make sense in terms of benefiting your reproductive success. benefiting your reproductive success. benefiting your reproductive success. You can even make arguments as Martin You can even make arguments as Martin You can even make arguments as Martin Noak has at Harvard that if you do Noak has at Harvard that if you do Noak has at Harvard that if you do computer modeling of things like the computer modeling of things like the computer modeling of things like the prisoners dilemma, you can come up with prisoners dilemma, you can come up with prisoners dilemma, you can come up with motivations for entire groups to behave motivations for entire groups to behave motivations for entire groups to behave altruistically toward each other. But a altruistically toward each other. But a altruistically toward each other. But a consequence of that and all the other consequence of that and all the other consequence of that and all the other models that have been put together is models that have been put together is models that have been put together is that you still have to be hostile to that you still have to be hostile to that you still have to be hostile to people who are not in your group. people who are not in your group. people who are not in your group. Otherwise, the whole thing falls apart Otherwise, the whole thing falls apart Otherwise, the whole thing falls apart as far as the evolutionary drive for as far as the evolutionary drive for as far as the evolutionary drive for successful competition. Well, does that successful competition. Well, does that successful competition. Well, does that fit? Is that what we see in our own fit? Is that what we see in our own fit? Is that what we see in our own experience? Where are those experience? Where are those experience? Where are those circumstances where we think the moral circumstances where we think the moral circumstances where we think the moral law has been most dramatically at work? law has been most dramatically at work? law has been most dramatically at work? I would submit they are not when we're I would submit they are not when we're I would submit they are not when we're being just nice to our family or just being just nice to our family or just being just nice to our family or just nice to people who are going to be nice nice to people who are going to be nice nice to people who are going to be nice to us or even just when we're being nice to us or even just when we're being nice to us or even just when we're being nice to other people in our own group. The to other people in our own group. The to other people in our own group. The things that strike us that cause us to things that strike us that cause us to things that strike us that cause us to marvel and to say that's what human marvel and to say that's what human marvel and to say that's what human nobility is all about are when that nobility is all about are when that nobility is all about are when that radical altruism extends beyond those radical altruism extends beyond those radical altruism extends beyond those categories. When you see Mother Teresa categories. When you see Mother Teresa categories. When you see Mother Teresa and the streets of Kolkata picking up and the streets of Kolkata picking up and the streets of Kolkata picking up the dying. When you see Oscar Schindler the dying. When you see Oscar Schindler the dying. When you see Oscar Schindler risking his life to save Jews from the risking his life to save Jews from the risking his life to save Jews from the Holocaust. Uh when you see the good Holocaust. Uh when you see the good Holocaust. Uh when you see the good Samaritan or when you see Wesley Autry.

Samaritan or when you see Wesley Autry. Samaritan or when you see Wesley Autry. Wesley Autry a construction worker Wesley Autry a construction worker Wesley Autry a construction worker African-American standing on the subway African-American standing on the subway African-American standing on the subway platform in New York City and next to platform in New York City and next to platform in New York City and next to him a young man a graduate student went him a young man a graduate student went him a young man a graduate student went into an epileptic seizure and to the into an epileptic seizure and to the into an epileptic seizure and to the horror of everybody standing there the horror of everybody standing there the horror of everybody standing there the student fell onto the tracks in front of student fell onto the tracks in front of student fell onto the tracks in front of an oncoming train. So just just to stop an oncoming train. So just just to stop an oncoming train. So just just to stop before he does display that incredible before he does display that incredible before he does display that incredible story of a construction worker at a story of a construction worker at a story of a construction worker at a subway falling on the tracks and what subway falling on the tracks and what subway falling on the tracks and what happens next is incredible. It has to be happens next is incredible. It has to be happens next is incredible. It has to be said if you look at Dietrich Bonhoffer said if you look at Dietrich Bonhoffer said if you look at Dietrich Bonhoffer if you look at even people who aren't if you look at even people who aren't if you look at even people who aren't super the main thing they're speaking super the main thing they're speaking super the main thing they're speaking about is the love of Jesus the about is the love of Jesus the about is the love of Jesus the Samaritan. If if you look at Rosa Parks Samaritan. If if you look at Rosa Parks Samaritan. If if you look at Rosa Parks on the bus for instance the moral on the bus for instance the moral on the bus for instance the moral courage for her to think to herself I'm courage for her to think to herself I'm courage for her to think to herself I'm going to do this. Now, you could say, going to do this. Now, you could say, going to do this. Now, you could say, well, she was black, so she was looking well, she was black, so she was looking well, she was black, so she was looking out for her community who were abused out for her community who were abused out for her community who were abused and wrongly discriminated. You could say and wrongly discriminated. You could say and wrongly discriminated. You could say that. But there's almost a hunger for that. But there's almost a hunger for that. But there's almost a hunger for justice. There's almost a hunger to make justice. There's almost a hunger to make justice. There's almost a hunger to make things right. And to quote Clive Staples things right. And to quote Clive Staples things right. And to quote Clive Staples Lewis, as I always do, how do you know a Lewis, as I always do, how do you know a Lewis, as I always do, how do you know a line is straight? Because you know what line is straight? Because you know what line is straight? Because you know what a crooked one looks like? Um, and that's a crooked one looks like? Um, and that's a crooked one looks like? Um, and that's kind of the essence also of what he's kind of the essence also of what he's kind of the essence also of what he's getting at about how there is a moral getting at about how there is a moral getting at about how there is a moral law of things. And when that moral law law of things. And when that moral law law of things. And when that moral law is broken is broken is broken in in the way Dawkins presents it, we in in the way Dawkins presents it, we in in the way Dawkins presents it, we are kind of filled with awe and wonder are kind of filled with awe and wonder are kind of filled with awe and wonder of the incredible acts that people can of the incredible acts that people can of the incredible acts that people can do. You know, Dietri Bonhoffer when he do. You know, Dietri Bonhoffer when he do. You know, Dietri Bonhoffer when he went back to Germany when he said, "I went back to Germany when he said, "I went back to Germany when he said, "I cannot abandon my people." you know, the cannot abandon my people." you know, the cannot abandon my people." you know, the confessing church people who are, you

confessing church people who are, you confessing church people who are, you know, saying, "No, we're not going to go know, saying, "No, we're not going to go know, saying, "No, we're not going to go along with it, not going to comply just along with it, not going to comply just along with it, not going to comply just because the whole church is behind it because the whole church is behind it because the whole church is behind it and they're scared and, you know, we are and they're scared and, you know, we are and they're scared and, you know, we are going to do what's right. We are going going to do what's right. We are going going to do what's right. We are going to do what Jesus said." Like there is to do what Jesus said." Like there is to do what Jesus said." Like there is something radical going on there. And something radical going on there. And something radical going on there. And that's that's just simply talking from that's that's just simply talking from that's that's just simply talking from the teachings of Jesus and, you know, the teachings of Jesus and, you know, the teachings of Jesus and, you know, the the biblical interpretation of the the the biblical interpretation of the the the biblical interpretation of the gospels and what Jesus was about, let gospels and what Jesus was about, let gospels and what Jesus was about, let alone something that isn't even rooted alone something that isn't even rooted alone something that isn't even rooted in faith. Um, I always like to say it's in faith. Um, I always like to say it's in faith. Um, I always like to say it's almost like there's a bit of magic going almost like there's a bit of magic going almost like there's a bit of magic going around. You know, there's there's things around. You know, there's there's things around. You know, there's there's things you see, there's things you witness you see, there's things you witness you see, there's things you witness where words cannot do justice to it. where words cannot do justice to it. where words cannot do justice to it. Words cannot even begin to show what the Words cannot even begin to show what the Words cannot even begin to show what the amazement of the thing you have amazement of the thing you have amazement of the thing you have witnessed. Um, and I think that that witnessed. Um, and I think that that witnessed. Um, and I think that that magic almost and magic is a bit of a magic almost and magic is a bit of a magic almost and magic is a bit of a weird [laughter] term to use with weird [laughter] term to use with weird [laughter] term to use with Christianity because most people Christianity because most people Christianity because most people connotate something bad and witchcraft connotate something bad and witchcraft connotate something bad and witchcraft or whatever. But, um, you know, it's or whatever. But, um, you know, it's or whatever. But, um, you know, it's like the summer theologica with Thomas like the summer theologica with Thomas like the summer theologica with Thomas Aquinus when you know, he had that Aquinus when you know, he had that Aquinus when you know, he had that famous revelation and he didn't finish famous revelation and he didn't finish famous revelation and he didn't finish writing the book on God. And this is, writing the book on God. And this is, writing the book on God. And this is, you know, an intellectual um who used to you know, an intellectual um who used to you know, an intellectual um who used to debate atheist and was just an debate atheist and was just an debate atheist and was just an incredible man and Catholics adore him.

incredible man and Catholics adore him. incredible man and Catholics adore him. And I don't know enough about him and I And I don't know enough about him and I And I don't know enough about him and I should read the summer theolog should read the summer theolog should read the summer theolog theologica. But um one thing I really theologica. But um one thing I really theologica. But um one thing I really took away from just knowing the story of took away from just knowing the story of took away from just knowing the story of Thomas Aquinas is when he did have that Thomas Aquinas is when he did have that Thomas Aquinas is when he did have that moment where he did have a spiritual moment where he did have a spiritual moment where he did have a spiritual encounter, a truly divine encounter. He encounter, a truly divine encounter. He encounter, a truly divine encounter. He said to himself, you know, for what I said to himself, you know, for what I said to himself, you know, for what I have seen, words cannot do justice. have seen, words cannot do justice. have seen, words cannot do justice. Meaning even an intellect like Thomas Meaning even an intellect like Thomas Meaning even an intellect like Thomas Aquinus who could describe the Aquinus who could describe the Aquinus who could describe the indescribable in such complex indescribable in such complex indescribable in such complex intricacies. Even Thomas Aquinus said I intricacies. Even Thomas Aquinus said I intricacies. Even Thomas Aquinus said I cannot explain for what I've saw words cannot explain for what I've saw words cannot explain for what I've saw words cannot do justice. You know I mean wow cannot do justice. You know I mean wow cannot do justice. You know I mean wow and wow. And doesn't that do put so much and wow. And doesn't that do put so much and wow. And doesn't that do put so much into the framework of almost the wonder into the framework of almost the wonder into the framework of almost the wonder and awe of radical acts of kindness or and awe of radical acts of kindness or and awe of radical acts of kindness or divine experiences or things that we divine experiences or things that we divine experiences or things that we just don't know. If you and I've spoken just don't know. If you and I've spoken just don't know. If you and I've spoken about this in another video, but if you about this in another video, but if you about this in another video, but if you hear a bit of music in another language, hear a bit of music in another language, hear a bit of music in another language, you could have absolutely not a clue you could have absolutely not a clue you could have absolutely not a clue what they're saying, but the frequency what they're saying, but the frequency what they're saying, but the frequency or the tone of a song can literally or the tone of a song can literally or the tone of a song can literally change your emotion. And I don't think change your emotion. And I don't think change your emotion. And I don't think that is DNA just dancing, you know? I that is DNA just dancing, you know? I that is DNA just dancing, you know? I don't I don't think I think something don't I don't think I think something don't I don't think I think something else is going on there. And you know, else is going on there. And you know, else is going on there. And you know, Arkham's razor, what's more plausible Arkham's razor, what's more plausible Arkham's razor, what's more plausible that all of these indescribable that all of these indescribable that all of these indescribable experiences have something to do with experiences have something to do with experiences have something to do with the supernatural realm, something to do the supernatural realm, something to do the supernatural realm, something to do with a realm that we don't truly know?

with a realm that we don't truly know? with a realm that we don't truly know? Or no, it's just part of our evolution. Or no, it's just part of our evolution. Or no, it's just part of our evolution. I think as this top scientist speaks I think as this top scientist speaks I think as this top scientist speaks about, and he used to be an atheist, and about, and he used to be an atheist, and about, and he used to be an atheist, and he's speaking about how he came to he's speaking about how he came to he's speaking about how he came to Christianity, he thinks, "No, there is a Christianity, he thinks, "No, there is a Christianity, he thinks, "No, there is a realm. There is something out there. So, realm. There is something out there. So, realm. There is something out there. So, let's let's let's see what else he says. see what else he says. see what else he says. Uh with only a split second to make a Uh with only a split second to make a Uh with only a split second to make a decision, Wesley jumped onto the tracks decision, Wesley jumped onto the tracks decision, Wesley jumped onto the tracks as well, pulled the student, still as well, pulled the student, still as well, pulled the student, still having the seizure, in that small space having the seizure, in that small space having the seizure, in that small space in between the tracks, covered him with in between the tracks, covered him with in between the tracks, covered him with his own body, and the train rolled over his own body, and the train rolled over his own body, and the train rolled over both of them. And miraculously, there both of them. And miraculously, there both of them. And miraculously, there was just enough clearance uh for them was just enough clearance uh for them was just enough clearance uh for them both to survive. And here's a picture of both to survive. And here's a picture of both to survive. And here's a picture of the next day as Wesley describes the the next day as Wesley describes the the next day as Wesley describes the situation standing next to the young situation standing next to the young situation standing next to the young man's father. man's father. man's father. This was clearly radical altruism. This was clearly radical altruism. This was clearly radical altruism. These people were of uh no acquaintance These people were of uh no acquaintance These people were of uh no acquaintance of each other, had no likelihood of of each other, had no likelihood of of each other, had no likelihood of seeing each other in any other seeing each other in any other seeing each other in any other circumstance, and belong to different uh circumstance, and belong to different uh circumstance, and belong to different uh groups as we seem to define them here in groups as we seem to define them here in groups as we seem to define them here in our society. One being African-American, our society. One being African-American, our society. One being African-American, one being white. And yet New York went one being white. And yet New York went one being white. And yet New York went crazy, and they should. What an amazing crazy, and they should. What an amazing crazy, and they should. What an amazing act. What an amazing risky thing to do.

act. What an amazing risky thing to do. act. What an amazing risky thing to do. Now, evolution would say, Wesley, you Now, evolution would say, Wesley, you Now, evolution would say, Wesley, you what were you thinking? Talk about what were you thinking? Talk about what were you thinking? Talk about ruining your reproductive fitness ruining your reproductive fitness ruining your reproductive fitness opportunities. This is a scandal, isn't it? This is a scandal, isn't it? So, think about that. Again, I'm not So, think about that. Again, I'm not So, think about that. Again, I'm not offering you a proof, but I do think offering you a proof, but I do think offering you a proof, but I do think when people try to argue that morality when people try to argue that morality when people try to argue that morality can be fully explained on evolutionary can be fully explained on evolutionary can be fully explained on evolutionary grounds, that's a little bit too easy. grounds, that's a little bit too easy. grounds, that's a little bit too easy. That's a little bit That's a little bit That's a little bit >> and you know, Sam Harris speaks about >> and you know, Sam Harris speaks about >> and you know, Sam Harris speaks about this and I I still think new atheism has this and I I still think new atheism has this and I I still think new atheism has this is one thing that new atheism has this is one thing that new atheism has this is one thing that new atheism has really fell short on is stories like really fell short on is stories like really fell short on is stories like this. It's why do humans do the most this. It's why do humans do the most this. It's why do humans do the most miraculous things with a complete miraculous things with a complete miraculous things with a complete inverse benefit possible? Now I guess inverse benefit possible? Now I guess inverse benefit possible? Now I guess you could say well you know if we have you could say well you know if we have you could say well you know if we have billions and billions of people billions and billions of people billions and billions of people the chances that one or two of them are the chances that one or two of them are the chances that one or two of them are going to do things going to do things going to do things not to the trend could make sense. In not to the trend could make sense. In not to the trend could make sense. In the same way, for instance, penguins the same way, for instance, penguins the same way, for instance, penguins um when there's been, you know, horrific um when there's been, you know, horrific um when there's been, you know, horrific stories. I mean, this is a true thing.

stories. I mean, this is a true thing. stories. I mean, this is a true thing. Like, if a penguin's depressed, it will Like, if a penguin's depressed, it will Like, if a penguin's depressed, it will literally walk out into into his death literally walk out into into his death literally walk out into into his death basically just keep on walking and basically just keep on walking and basically just keep on walking and walking, walking away from all the other walking, walking away from all the other walking, walking away from all the other penguins penguins penguins because he will inevitably know he will because he will inevitably know he will because he will inevitably know he will die when he goes because, you know, he die when he goes because, you know, he die when he goes because, you know, he won't get food. Um he won't be warm won't get food. Um he won't be warm won't get food. Um he won't be warm because he needs the other penguins, you because he needs the other penguins, you because he needs the other penguins, you know, the way they huddle together. and know, the way they huddle together. and know, the way they huddle together. and he just basically walks to his death. he just basically walks to his death. he just basically walks to his death. It's so depressing and you got to wonder It's so depressing and you got to wonder It's so depressing and you got to wonder what the hell is going on there. Um it's what the hell is going on there. Um it's what the hell is going on there. Um it's it is a big question and you know even it is a big question and you know even it is a big question and you know even because people have been known to because people have been known to because people have been known to actually pick up the penguins and actually pick up the penguins and actually pick up the penguins and [clears throat] bring them back to the [clears throat] bring them back to the [clears throat] bring them back to the pack and if they do that the penguin pack and if they do that the penguin pack and if they do that the penguin just does the same thing. It goes out to just does the same thing. It goes out to just does the same thing. It goes out to its death. Um and you could say well its death. Um and you could say well its death. Um and you could say well that's not a you know stereotypical that's not a you know stereotypical that's not a you know stereotypical penguin. You don't go to the North Pole penguin. You don't go to the North Pole penguin. You don't go to the North Pole pole every day or whatever [laughter] pole every day or whatever [laughter] pole every day or whatever [laughter] and just see a bunch of penguins go to and just see a bunch of penguins go to and just see a bunch of penguins go to their death as sad and miserable as that their death as sad and miserable as that their death as sad and miserable as that is. But, you know, out of millions and is. But, you know, out of millions and is. But, you know, out of millions and millions of penguins, there are some millions of penguins, there are some millions of penguins, there are some penguins that actually do do that. And penguins that actually do do that. And penguins that actually do do that. And what is going on there? It's just an what is going on there? It's just an what is going on there? It's just an anomaly to a trend.

anomaly to a trend. anomaly to a trend. [cough and clears throat] [cough and clears throat] [cough and clears throat] But there's there's certain things I But there's there's certain things I But there's there's certain things I think are so radical and such a stretch think are so radical and such a stretch think are so radical and such a stretch [clears throat] [clears throat] [clears throat] that it defines all rational logic and that it defines all rational logic and that it defines all rational logic and purpose of being a human. Um, and you purpose of being a human. Um, and you purpose of being a human. Um, and you could say with the penguin, well, they could say with the penguin, well, they could say with the penguin, well, they were doing that from a biological place were doing that from a biological place were doing that from a biological place in the sense that I don't I don't know in the sense that I don't I don't know in the sense that I don't I don't know the scient science of a bloody penguin. the scient science of a bloody penguin. the scient science of a bloody penguin. I mean, I mate, I didn't even pass my I mean, I mate, I didn't even pass my I mean, I mate, I didn't even pass my science GCSE. Um, so I'm no person to science GCSE. Um, so I'm no person to science GCSE. Um, so I'm no person to speak about biology here to say the speak about biology here to say the speak about biology here to say the absolute least, right? But I'm sure, absolute least, right? But I'm sure, absolute least, right? But I'm sure, you know, I don't know what's going on you know, I don't know what's going on you know, I don't know what's going on in a penguin's mind, but something is in a penguin's mind, but something is in a penguin's mind, but something is going on there where they either hate going on there where they either hate going on there where they either hate themselves, they either incredibly themselves, they either incredibly themselves, they either incredibly depressed, they're either I I I don't depressed, they're either I I I don't depressed, they're either I I I don't know. I I guess I'll need to look into know. I I guess I'll need to look into know. I I guess I'll need to look into it before I actually probably comment on it before I actually probably comment on it before I actually probably comment on it [laughter] with a [snorts] with no it [laughter] with a [snorts] with no it [laughter] with a [snorts] with no GCSEs. But, um, you know, him deciding GCSEs. But, um, you know, him deciding GCSEs. But, um, you know, him deciding to do that, maybe you could say, well, to do that, maybe you could say, well, to do that, maybe you could say, well, biologically he's in despair and so he's biologically he's in despair and so he's biologically he's in despair and so he's going off to stop that despair. Now, going off to stop that despair. Now, going off to stop that despair. Now, obviously that's never endorsed and I obviously that's never endorsed and I obviously that's never endorsed and I you know it it's sad that it's happened you know it it's sad that it's happened you know it it's sad that it's happened and to be honest I don't even know why and to be honest I don't even know why and to be honest I don't even know why I'm talking so much about this penguin I'm talking so much about this penguin I'm talking so much about this penguin but um but um but um you I guess you can make some sort of you I guess you can make some sort of you I guess you can make some sort of biological case but a case like this biological case but a case like this biological case but a case like this what is the biological impulse you know what is the biological impulse you know what is the biological impulse you know that guy fall I mean I don't know he that guy fall I mean I don't know he that guy fall I mean I don't know he might have had a family risking it all might have had a family risking it all might have had a family risking it all for a random bloke for a random bloke for a random bloke what's going on there and you you see what's going on there and you you see what's going on there and you you see stories about this you know you see stories about this you know you see stories about this you know you see terrible attacks and people standing up

terrible attacks and people standing up terrible attacks and people standing up and getting their hands dirty and and getting their hands dirty and and getting their hands dirty and getting stuck in, you know, you see getting stuck in, you know, you see getting stuck in, you know, you see things that do not make sense. And I I things that do not make sense. And I I things that do not make sense. And I I just think so of and there's so many as just think so of and there's so many as just think so of and there's so many as well. It's not like there's a few like well. It's not like there's a few like well. It's not like there's a few like one every 9 billion people like we're one every 9 billion people like we're one every 9 billion people like we're talking every country on the earth has talking every country on the earth has talking every country on the earth has some crazy story like this, you know? So some crazy story like this, you know? So some crazy story like this, you know? So is it is just an anomaly to the trend is it is just an anomaly to the trend is it is just an anomaly to the trend sufficient really? I don't I don't think sufficient really? I don't I don't think sufficient really? I don't I don't think it is because there's also what is the it is because there's also what is the it is because there's also what is the predisposition to be going against the predisposition to be going against the predisposition to be going against the trend as well. That's that's another trend as well. That's that's another trend as well. That's that's another issue. It's like it's one thing to go issue. It's like it's one thing to go issue. It's like it's one thing to go against the trend um something that against the trend um something that against the trend um something that makes the tiniest bit of sense, but makes the tiniest bit of sense, but makes the tiniest bit of sense, but there's another thing to go against a there's another thing to go against a there's another thing to go against a trend that makes zero sense whatever. Um trend that makes zero sense whatever. Um trend that makes zero sense whatever. Um and I think cases like this really do and I think cases like this really do and I think cases like this really do display it. And I think it's one of the display it. And I think it's one of the display it. And I think it's one of the most compelling for me it is one of the most compelling for me it is one of the most compelling for me it is one of the most compelling arguments for God. like most compelling arguments for God. like most compelling arguments for God. like what the wonder and why to all these what the wonder and why to all these what the wonder and why to all these things. Um you know Alex O'Connor f you things. Um you know Alex O'Connor f you things. Um you know Alex O'Connor f you know I've spoke about him before but he know I've spoke about him before but he know I've spoke about him before but he says you know the best argument for God says you know the best argument for God says you know the best argument for God is how many arguments they are for God.

is how many arguments they are for God. is how many arguments they are for God. Um, and it's very interesting that a Um, and it's very interesting that a Um, and it's very interesting that a case like this really kind of put the case like this really kind of put the case like this really kind of put the pulled the heartstrings of Francis pulled the heartstrings of Francis pulled the heartstrings of Francis Collins who, you know, was the former Collins who, you know, was the former Collins who, you know, was the former head of the National Institute of head of the National Institute of head of the National Institute of Health, you know, one of the biggest um, Health, you know, one of the biggest um, Health, you know, one of the biggest um, health care systems on the planet. You health care systems on the planet. You health care systems on the planet. You know, the United States of America, what know, the United States of America, what know, the United States of America, what is that? Three 400 million people being is that? Three 400 million people being is that? Three 400 million people being head of health. Um, head of the 100 GMO head of health. Um, head of the 100 GMO head of health. Um, head of the 100 GMO 100 Gino project is it to my 100 Gino project is it to my 100 Gino project is it to my embarrassment, I can't even remember off embarrassment, I can't even remember off embarrassment, I can't even remember off the top of my head. But you know a very the top of my head. But you know a very the top of my head. But you know a very very very very um well attested guy extremely high in um well attested guy extremely high in um well attested guy extremely high in his field you know we're talking a top his field you know we're talking a top his field you know we're talking a top scientist and the fact that someone like scientist and the fact that someone like scientist and the fact that someone like this can really pull his heartstrings this can really pull his heartstrings this can really pull his heartstrings also speaks to the fact that there is a also speaks to the fact that there is a also speaks to the fact that there is a hunger inside of us and as Clive Staples hunger inside of us and as Clive Staples hunger inside of us and as Clive Staples Lewis says you know if we find oursel Lewis says you know if we find oursel Lewis says you know if we find oursel with a desire that this world cannot with a desire that this world cannot with a desire that this world cannot suffice the only explanation is we were suffice the only explanation is we were suffice the only explanation is we were made for another world and there are made for another world and there are made for another world and there are these kind of hungers and desires within these kind of hungers and desires within these kind of hungers and desires within us that that don't um see us that that don't um see us that that don't um see kind of gratification in this world. Um kind of gratification in this world. Um kind of gratification in this world. Um you know Clar Stura speaks about with you know Clar Stura speaks about with you know Clar Stura speaks about with Joy Davidson his his wife where he Joy Davidson his his wife where he Joy Davidson his his wife where he speaks about how when he was with her speaks about how when he was with her speaks about how when he was with her and he would kind of you know they were and he would kind of you know they were and he would kind of you know they were in love or making love or whatever he in love or making love or whatever he in love or making love or whatever he was like it was so beautiful. It was so was like it was so beautiful. It was so was like it was so beautiful. It was so amazing and there was there was one amazing and there was there was one amazing and there was there was one thing left thing left thing left that that his heart hungered for when he that that his heart hungered for when he that that his heart hungered for when he was really in this you know beautiful was really in this you know beautiful was really in this you know beautiful marriage with uh Joy Davidson and he

marriage with uh Joy Davidson and he marriage with uh Joy Davidson and he spoke about that was heaven. Like the spoke about that was heaven. Like the spoke about that was heaven. Like the thing that he hungered in his heart that thing that he hungered in his heart that thing that he hungered in his heart that this world could not ever suffice was this world could not ever suffice was this world could not ever suffice was that hunger and that want for heaven and that hunger and that want for heaven and that hunger and that want for heaven and the joy of the afterlife. And that the joy of the afterlife. And that the joy of the afterlife. And that hunger I think I I often think or like hunger I think I I often think or like hunger I think I I often think or like especially with dreams you know when especially with dreams you know when especially with dreams you know when when you have a dream it feels so bloody when you have a dream it feels so bloody when you have a dream it feels so bloody real in the moment. Um but when after real in the moment. Um but when after real in the moment. Um but when after the dream it's like well what was going the dream it's like well what was going the dream it's like well what was going on there and your rational kind of on there and your rational kind of on there and your rational kind of [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] view can't really comprehend why that view can't really comprehend why that view can't really comprehend why that had an effect on you almost. Um, and I had an effect on you almost. Um, and I had an effect on you almost. Um, and I think that hunger and that reality you think that hunger and that reality you think that hunger and that reality you have in a dream is have in a dream is have in a dream is who we are in the sense like that quite who we are in the sense like that quite who we are in the sense like that quite rightly displays heaven. Um, and you rightly displays heaven. Um, and you rightly displays heaven. Um, and you know people talk about when you die like know people talk about when you die like know people talk about when you die like the release of DMT. Um, and that kind of the release of DMT. Um, and that kind of the release of DMT. Um, and that kind of conscious state of dream dreaming and conscious state of dream dreaming and conscious state of dream dreaming and you know if people do do DMT they speak you know if people do do DMT they speak you know if people do do DMT they speak about that. Um, I don't know enough about that. Um, I don't know enough about that. Um, I don't know enough about it, but it's some very about it, but it's some very about it, but it's some very interesting, you know, pastures about interesting, you know, pastures about interesting, you know, pastures about that and I I I just I adore CS Lewis.

that and I I I just I adore CS Lewis. that and I I I just I adore CS Lewis. But I mean, not not to bang on about him But I mean, not not to bang on about him But I mean, not not to bang on about him too much, but another quote I absolutely too much, but another quote I absolutely too much, but another quote I absolutely love is, you know, my ultimate dream is love is, you know, my ultimate dream is love is, you know, my ultimate dream is that when I die, no, my ultimate prayer that when I die, no, my ultimate prayer that when I die, no, my ultimate prayer when I die is that all of hell rejoices when I die is that all of hell rejoices when I die is that all of hell rejoices that I am out of the fight. What a that I am out of the fight. What a that I am out of the fight. What a quote, CS Lewis. But [laughter] anyway, quote, CS Lewis. But [laughter] anyway, quote, CS Lewis. But [laughter] anyway, get on with it. bit too much of a just get on with it. bit too much of a just get on with it. bit too much of a just so story and perhaps it might ought to so story and perhaps it might ought to so story and perhaps it might ought to be thought about as potentially having be thought about as potentially having be thought about as potentially having some other reflected uh reason for its some other reflected uh reason for its some other reflected uh reason for its presence. And I would ask the question presence. And I would ask the question presence. And I would ask the question because Lewis asked it in his chapter. because Lewis asked it in his chapter. because Lewis asked it in his chapter. If you were looking not just for If you were looking not just for If you were looking not just for evidence of a God who was a evidence of a God who was a evidence of a God who was a mathematician and a physicist, but a God mathematician and a physicist, but a God mathematician and a physicist, but a God who cared about human beings and who who cared about human beings and who who cared about human beings and who stood for what was good and holy and stood for what was good and holy and stood for what was good and holy and wanted his people to also be interested wanted his people to also be interested wanted his people to also be interested in what is good and holy. Wouldn't it be in what is good and holy. Wouldn't it be in what is good and holy. Wouldn't it be interesting to find written in your own interesting to find written in your own interesting to find written in your own heart this moral law which doesn't heart this moral law which doesn't heart this moral law which doesn't otherwise make sense and which is otherwise make sense and which is otherwise make sense and which is calling you to do just that. calling you to do just that. calling you to do just that. >> Wow. That is incred. You know how Lewis >> Wow. That is incred. You know how Lewis >> Wow. That is incred. You know how Lewis speaks about the moral law. The hunger speaks about the moral law. The hunger speaks about the moral law. The hunger in your heart for justice that doesn't in your heart for justice that doesn't in your heart for justice that doesn't make sense.

make sense. make sense. Wow. I mean take that in. Wow. I mean take that in. Wow. I mean take that in. >> That made a lot of sense to me. So, >> That made a lot of sense to me. So, >> That made a lot of sense to me. So, after going through these arguments over after going through these arguments over after going through these arguments over the course of a couple of years, and it the course of a couple of years, and it the course of a couple of years, and it was that long, fighting them, uh, was that long, fighting them, uh, was that long, fighting them, uh, oftentimes wishing that I had never oftentimes wishing that I had never oftentimes wishing that I had never started down this road because it was started down this road because it was started down this road because it was leading me a place I wasn't sure I leading me a place I wasn't sure I leading me a place I wasn't sure I wanted to go, I began to realize that I wanted to go, I began to realize that I wanted to go, I began to realize that I had a certain series of immutable issues had a certain series of immutable issues had a certain series of immutable issues that were leading me in the direction of that were leading me in the direction of that were leading me in the direction of awe. Awe of something greater than awe. Awe of something greater than awe. Awe of something greater than myself, reflected here by this phrase myself, reflected here by this phrase myself, reflected here by this phrase from Emanuel Kant, the philosopher. Two from Emanuel Kant, the philosopher. Two from Emanuel Kant, the philosopher. Two things fill me with constantly things fill me with constantly things fill me with constantly increasing admiration and awe. the increasing admiration and awe. the increasing admiration and awe. the longer and more earnestly I reflect on longer and more earnestly I reflect on longer and more earnestly I reflect on them, the starry heavens without and the them, the starry heavens without and the them, the starry heavens without and the moral law within. My goodness, that's moral law within. My goodness, that's moral law within. My goodness, that's just where I was. But I had to figure just where I was. But I had to figure just where I was. But I had to figure out then, okay, if there is the out then, okay, if there is the out then, okay, if there is the possibility of this kind of God and a possibility of this kind of God and a possibility of this kind of God and a God who cares about humans, what is that God who cares about humans, what is that God who cares about humans, what is that God really like? And now it was time to God really like? And now it was time to God really like? And now it was time to go back to the world's religions and try go back to the world's religions and try go back to the world's religions and try to figure out what they tell us about to figure out what they tell us about to figure out what they tell us about that. And as I read through them, now that. And as I read through them, now that. And as I read through them, now somewhat better prepared, I could see somewhat better prepared, I could see somewhat better prepared, I could see there were great similarities between there were great similarities between there were great similarities between the great monotheistic religions. And the great monotheistic religions. And the great monotheistic religions. And they actually resonated quite well with they actually resonated quite well with they actually resonated quite well with each other about many of the principles. each other about many of the principles.

each other about many of the principles. And I found that quite gratifying. and And I found that quite gratifying. and And I found that quite gratifying. and was a bit surprised because I had was a bit surprised because I had was a bit surprised because I had assumed that they were radically assumed that they were radically assumed that they were radically different but there were differences. different but there were differences. different but there were differences. Now [clears throat] about this time I Now [clears throat] about this time I Now [clears throat] about this time I had also arrived at a point that was had also arrived at a point that was had also arrived at a point that was actually not comforting which was the actually not comforting which was the actually not comforting which was the realization that if the moral law was a realization that if the moral law was a realization that if the moral law was a pointer to God and if God was good and pointer to God and if God was good and pointer to God and if God was good and holy I was not. And as much as I tried holy I was not. And as much as I tried holy I was not. And as much as I tried to forgive myself for actions that were to forgive myself for actions that were to forgive myself for actions that were not consistent with that moral law they not consistent with that moral law they not consistent with that moral law they kept popping up. And therefore, just as kept popping up. And therefore, just as kept popping up. And therefore, just as I was beginning to perceive the person I was beginning to perceive the person I was beginning to perceive the person of God in this sort of blurry way, that of God in this sort of blurry way, that of God in this sort of blurry way, that image was receding because of my own image was receding because of my own image was receding because of my own failures. failures. failures. And I began to despair of whether this And I began to despair of whether this And I began to despair of whether this would ever be a relationship that I would ever be a relationship that I would ever be a relationship that I could claim or hope to have because of could claim or hope to have because of could claim or hope to have because of my own shortcomings. my own shortcomings. my own shortcomings. And into that area of increasing anxiety And into that area of increasing anxiety And into that area of increasing anxiety came the realization that there is a came the realization that there is a came the realization that there is a person in one of these faiths who has person in one of these faiths who has person in one of these faiths who has the solution to that. And that's the the solution to that. And that's the the solution to that. And that's the person of Jesus Christ. who not only person of Jesus Christ. who not only person of Jesus Christ. who not only claimed to know God, but to be God, and claimed to know God, but to be God, and claimed to know God, but to be God, and who in this amazing and incomprehensible who in this amazing and incomprehensible who in this amazing and incomprehensible at first, but ultimately incredibly at first, but ultimately incredibly at first, but ultimately incredibly sensible, sensible, sensible, uplifting, sacrificial act, died on the uplifting, sacrificial act, died on the uplifting, sacrificial act, died on the cross and then rose from the dead to cross and then rose from the dead to cross and then rose from the dead to provide this bridge between my provide this bridge between my provide this bridge between my imperfections and God's holiness in a imperfections and God's holiness in a imperfections and God's holiness in a way that made more sense than I ever way that made more sense than I ever way that made more sense than I ever dreamed it could. I had heard those dreamed it could. I had heard those dreamed it could. I had heard those phrases about Christ died for your sins, phrases about Christ died for your sins, phrases about Christ died for your sins, and I thought that was so much and I thought that was so much and I thought that was so much gibberish, and suddenly it wasn't gibberish, and suddenly it wasn't gibberish, and suddenly it wasn't gibberish at all. And so two years after gibberish at all. And so two years after gibberish at all. And so two years after I began this journey on a hiking trip in I began this journey on a hiking trip in I began this journey on a hiking trip in the Cascade Mountains up in Oregon, uh

the Cascade Mountains up in Oregon, uh the Cascade Mountains up in Oregon, uh with my mind cleared of those with my mind cleared of those with my mind cleared of those distractions that so often get in the distractions that so often get in the distractions that so often get in the way of realizing what is really true and way of realizing what is really true and way of realizing what is really true and important, I felt I had reached the important, I felt I had reached the important, I felt I had reached the point where I no longer had reasons to point where I no longer had reasons to point where I no longer had reasons to resist. And I didn't want to resist. I resist. And I didn't want to resist. I resist. And I didn't want to resist. I had a hunger to give in to this. And so had a hunger to give in to this. And so had a hunger to give in to this. And so that day, I became a Christian. That was that day, I became a Christian. That was that day, I became a Christian. That was 31 years ago. And I was scared. And I 31 years ago. And I was scared. And I 31 years ago. And I was scared. And I was afraid I was going to turn into was afraid I was going to turn into was afraid I was going to turn into somebody very somber and lose my sense somebody very somber and lose my sense somebody very somber and lose my sense of humor and of humor and of humor and probably be called to Africa the next probably be called to Africa the next probably be called to Africa the next week or something. But week or something. But week or something. But instead, I discovered this great sense instead, I discovered this great sense instead, I discovered this great sense of peace and a joyfulness about having of peace and a joyfulness about having of peace and a joyfulness about having finally crossed that bridge. And also to finally crossed that bridge. And also to finally crossed that bridge. And also to have done so in a fashion that seemed to have done so in a fashion that seemed to have done so in a fashion that seemed to live up to my hopes that faith would not live up to my hopes that faith would not live up to my hopes that faith would not be something you had to plunge into be something you had to plunge into be something you had to plunge into blindly, but something where there was blindly, but something where there was blindly, but something where there was in fact reason behind the decision. And in fact reason behind the decision. And in fact reason behind the decision. And I guess I should have known because as I I guess I should have known because as I I guess I should have known because as I began to learn a bit more about the began to learn a bit more about the began to learn a bit more about the Bible, I encountered this verse in Bible, I encountered this verse in Bible, I encountered this verse in Matthew where Jesus is being questioned Matthew where Jesus is being questioned Matthew where Jesus is being questioned about which is the greatest commandment about which is the greatest commandment about which is the greatest commandment in the law. The Pharisees here trying to in the law. The Pharisees here trying to in the law. The Pharisees here trying to trap Jesus into saying something they trap Jesus into saying something they trap Jesus into saying something they can point out as being inconsistent with can point out as being inconsistent with can point out as being inconsistent with the Old Testament. And Jesus replies, the Old Testament. And Jesus replies, the Old Testament. And Jesus replies, "Love the Lord your God with all your "Love the Lord your God with all your "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with heart and with all your soul and with heart and with all your soul and with all your mind."

all your mind." all your mind." Wow, there it was. All your mind. We're Wow, there it was. All your mind. We're Wow, there it was. All your mind. We're supposed to use our minds when it comes supposed to use our minds when it comes supposed to use our minds when it comes to faith. Mark Null has written a book to faith. Mark Null has written a book to faith. Mark Null has written a book called The Scandal of the Evangelical called The Scandal of the Evangelical called The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind to suggest that perhaps we haven't Mind to suggest that perhaps we haven't Mind to suggest that perhaps we haven't done such a good job of that. And here done such a good job of that. And here done such a good job of that. And here it was. That's part of the commandment. it was. That's part of the commandment. it was. That's part of the commandment. Love the Lord with all your mind. Love the Lord with all your mind. Love the Lord with all your mind. >> Wow. I mean, what an incredible >> Wow. I mean, what an incredible >> Wow. I mean, what an incredible testimony by France Collins. And I think testimony by France Collins. And I think testimony by France Collins. And I think it's also something to really kind of it's also something to really kind of it's also something to really kind of take in the magnitude of this man take in the magnitude of this man take in the magnitude of this man because this man is so highly rated and because this man is so highly rated and because this man is so highly rated and esteemed within the scientific esteemed within the scientific esteemed within the scientific community. And he came begrudgingly to community. And he came begrudgingly to community. And he came begrudgingly to believe that Jesus of Nazareth, the man believe that Jesus of Nazareth, the man believe that Jesus of Nazareth, the man who walked, the man who ate, the man who who walked, the man who ate, the man who who walked, the man who ate, the man who wept, the man who died and rose again wept, the man who died and rose again wept, the man who died and rose again was God, was Yahweh. Um, and wow, what a was God, was Yahweh. Um, and wow, what a was God, was Yahweh. Um, and wow, what a what an incredible testimony cuz it it what an incredible testimony cuz it it what an incredible testimony cuz it it goes to show that even some of the most goes to show that even some of the most goes to show that even some of the most rationally minded, intellectual rationally minded, intellectual rationally minded, intellectual people can have their hearts moved and people can have their hearts moved and people can have their hearts moved and God can speak to them. And it's clear God can speak to them. And it's clear God can speak to them. And it's clear that it it, you know, Francis Collins that it it, you know, Francis Collins that it it, you know, Francis Collins was spoken to here by God. And also that was spoken to here by God. And also that was spoken to here by God. And also that you know you don't need to throw away you know you don't need to throw away you know you don't need to throw away the rational side of you because again the rational side of you because again the rational side of you because again if if life is about your heart if what if if life is about your heart if what if if life is about your heart if what Jesus spoke about was about your heart Jesus spoke about was about your heart Jesus spoke about was about your heart which he did. I think it's pretty which he did. I think it's pretty which he did. I think it's pretty difficult for someone to argue difficult for someone to argue difficult for someone to argue differently then that's what matters.

differently then that's what matters. differently then that's what matters. And I love that you know love the Lord And I love that you know love the Lord And I love that you know love the Lord your God with all your heart and with your God with all your heart and with your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. all your soul and with all your mind. all your soul and with all your mind. And I think this is so important because And I think this is so important because And I think this is so important because the way we love people the way we speak the way we love people the way we speak the way we love people the way we speak to people the way we act is that love. to people the way we act is that love. to people the way we act is that love. And I I also love the mind because you And I I also love the mind because you And I I also love the mind because you know Jesus says, "I'm the way, the know Jesus says, "I'm the way, the know Jesus says, "I'm the way, the truth, the life. No one comes to the truth, the life. No one comes to the truth, the life. No one comes to the father except through me." You know, as father except through me." You know, as father except through me." You know, as he says in John, I think he says that in he says in John, I think he says that in he says in John, I think he says that in the Jewish Sanhedrin when they're the Jewish Sanhedrin when they're the Jewish Sanhedrin when they're [cough and clears throat] [cough and clears throat] [cough and clears throat] questioning him, I'm pretty sure. And questioning him, I'm pretty sure. And questioning him, I'm pretty sure. And what it kind of shows as well is that what it kind of shows as well is that what it kind of shows as well is that where you when you seek truth with your where you when you seek truth with your where you when you seek truth with your good heart, you will find Jesus. I think good heart, you will find Jesus. I think good heart, you will find Jesus. I think it's Johnny Cash who said if you look it's Johnny Cash who said if you look it's Johnny Cash who said if you look for God long enough at the end you will for God long enough at the end you will for God long enough at the end you will always find Jesus. Um and I I think this always find Jesus. Um and I I think this always find Jesus. Um and I I think this is something also just about information is something also just about information is something also just about information and knowledge. Now on my channel I've and knowledge. Now on my channel I've and knowledge. Now on my channel I've done a lot of videos some kind of like I done a lot of videos some kind of like I done a lot of videos some kind of like I did bar man who destroyed a Christian did bar man who destroyed a Christian did bar man who destroyed a Christian scholar and I'm a Christian but I'm scholar and I'm a Christian but I'm scholar and I'm a Christian but I'm seeking the truth and I value the truth seeking the truth and I value the truth seeking the truth and I value the truth and I think the truth is godly and the and I think the truth is godly and the and I think the truth is godly and the truth will reveal itself. You know, and truth will reveal itself. You know, and truth will reveal itself. You know, and I always speak about if you look at I always speak about if you look at I always speak about if you look at debates for instance like Dr. William debates for instance like Dr. William debates for instance like Dr. William Lane Craig even like 60 years ago I Lane Craig even like 60 years ago I Lane Craig even like 60 years ago I remember him debating a scholar and the remember him debating a scholar and the remember him debating a scholar and the scholar was arguing Jesus didn't even scholar was arguing Jesus didn't even scholar was arguing Jesus didn't even exist right and he was saying well we exist right and he was saying well we exist right and he was saying well we got this you know we got Josephus we got got this you know we got Josephus we got got this you know we got Josephus we got the gospel you got loads of external the gospel you got loads of external the gospel you got loads of external sources that weren't in the Bible kind sources that weren't in the Bible kind sources that weren't in the Bible kind of affirming who Jesus was of affirming who Jesus was of affirming who Jesus was [clears throat] and you know he was a [clears throat] and you know he was a [clears throat] and you know he was a real man who lived and walked and hey

real man who lived and walked and hey real man who lived and walked and hey regardless if you think he was you know regardless if you think he was you know regardless if you think he was you know divine and actually did the miracles divine and actually did the miracles divine and actually did the miracles like he was a bloke for sure right from like he was a bloke for sure right from like he was a bloke for sure right from Nazareth this tiny little town of like Nazareth this tiny little town of like Nazareth this tiny little town of like 400 people 400 people 400 people um you know came from a poor family like um you know came from a poor family like um you know came from a poor family like it's pretty clear that's the case right it's pretty clear that's the case right it's pretty clear that's the case right but back then the there was kind of but back then the there was kind of but back then the there was kind of debates about whether he existed or not debates about whether he existed or not debates about whether he existed or not but as scholarship as history has but as scholarship as history has but as scholarship as history has expanded and more knowledge has been expanded and more knowledge has been expanded and more knowledge has been gathered and you know textual critics gathered and you know textual critics gathered and you know textual critics looking at scripture looking at looking at scripture looking at looking at scripture looking at different external sources we now almost different external sources we now almost different external sources we now almost no historian would say that Jesus didn't no historian would say that Jesus didn't no historian would say that Jesus didn't exist. There are, I think, like one or exist. There are, I think, like one or exist. There are, I think, like one or two, but that's so almost non-existent two, but that's so almost non-existent two, but that's so almost non-existent with a historian now say that Jesus of with a historian now say that Jesus of with a historian now say that Jesus of Nazareth was not an actual man who did Nazareth was not an actual man who did Nazareth was not an actual man who did exist, which shows that the truth is exist, which shows that the truth is exist, which shows that the truth is being revealed, you know, um, and I being revealed, you know, um, and I being revealed, you know, um, and I really really do hold on to it in the really really do hold on to it in the really really do hold on to it in the fact that if Jesus was the son of God, fact that if Jesus was the son of God, fact that if Jesus was the son of God, who I do believe he is, then we should who I do believe he is, then we should who I do believe he is, then we should never be afraid of the truth. We should never be afraid of the truth. We should never be afraid of the truth. We should never be afraid of a difference of never be afraid of a difference of never be afraid of a difference of opinion about something we don't like opinion about something we don't like opinion about something we don't like about, you know, a a smart intellectual about, you know, a a smart intellectual about, you know, a a smart intellectual um who destroys Christianity. Like we um who destroys Christianity. Like we um who destroys Christianity. Like we should embrace that and truly understand should embrace that and truly understand should embrace that and truly understand because if we really with all our hearts because if we really with all our hearts because if we really with all our hearts and soul and with all our mind love the and soul and with all our mind love the and soul and with all our mind love the Lord, then we should not be afraid of Lord, then we should not be afraid of Lord, then we should not be afraid of the truth. And I always hold on to that the truth. And I always hold on to that the truth. And I always hold on to that and have massive admiration for people

and have massive admiration for people and have massive admiration for people like Bartman who really do seek the like Bartman who really do seek the like Bartman who really do seek the truth, really do seek what they think is truth, really do seek what they think is truth, really do seek what they think is right, what they think is good. They do right, what they think is good. They do right, what they think is good. They do come to different conclusions, but I do come to different conclusions, but I do come to different conclusions, but I do truly do believe his heart's in a good truly do believe his heart's in a good truly do believe his heart's in a good place. And I think that's something to place. And I think that's something to place. And I think that's something to always hold on to really with knowledge. always hold on to really with knowledge. always hold on to really with knowledge. Um, and we can we can often become kind Um, and we can we can often become kind Um, and we can we can often become kind of worshippers at the altar of of worshippers at the altar of of worshippers at the altar of knowledge. like being correct, being knowledge. like being correct, being knowledge. like being correct, being right, it's the end all be all, it's the right, it's the end all be all, it's the right, it's the end all be all, it's the omega, you know, but omega, you know, but omega, you know, but I think if we're coming from a place of I think if we're coming from a place of I think if we're coming from a place of purity and you know, like Jesus says, purity and you know, like Jesus says, purity and you know, like Jesus says, come to me as a kid, um, you know, we come to me as a kid, um, you know, we come to me as a kid, um, you know, we should we should do that with everything should we should do that with everything should we should do that with everything and knowledge. Um, and that's why often and knowledge. Um, and that's why often and knowledge. Um, and that's why often when I hear stuff I don't like, even when I hear stuff I don't like, even when I hear stuff I don't like, even about myself, I try not, you know, not about myself, I try not, you know, not about myself, I try not, you know, not to say that I'm a massive I am a massive to say that I'm a massive I am a massive to say that I'm a massive I am a massive sinner. I do loads of things that I sinner. I do loads of things that I sinner. I do loads of things that I really shouldn't do and stuff. So, I'm really shouldn't do and stuff. So, I'm really shouldn't do and stuff. So, I'm not saying I'm holier than vow at all, not saying I'm holier than vow at all, not saying I'm holier than vow at all, but I'm saying that, you know, when but I'm saying that, you know, when but I'm saying that, you know, when there is something that angers your there is something that angers your there is something that angers your heart, there is something that kind of heart, there is something that kind of heart, there is something that kind of plucks strings of like, oh, I don't like plucks strings of like, oh, I don't like plucks strings of like, oh, I don't like what you said there. Analyze that.

what you said there. Analyze that. what you said there. Analyze that. What's going on there? You know that you What's going on there? You know that you What's going on there? You know that you you probably will find something is you probably will find something is you probably will find something is truthful to what is being said, truthful to what is being said, truthful to what is being said, something that grasps your heart and something that grasps your heart and something that grasps your heart and makes you angry. Um, and the one one makes you angry. Um, and the one one makes you angry. Um, and the one one reason I actually really like Francis as reason I actually really like Francis as reason I actually really like Francis as well is often there'll be debates um well is often there'll be debates um well is often there'll be debates um with Francis, like I've seen him spoke with Francis, like I've seen him spoke with Francis, like I've seen him spoke to people before and he won't if he to people before and he won't if he to people before and he won't if he doesn't know, he'll simply say, "I don't doesn't know, he'll simply say, "I don't doesn't know, he'll simply say, "I don't know." And he he's very aware of how know." And he he's very aware of how know." And he he's very aware of how little he knows. And bearing in mind little he knows. And bearing in mind little he knows. And bearing in mind this is a guy who knows hell of a lot. this is a guy who knows hell of a lot. this is a guy who knows hell of a lot. So I don't want to degrade his So I don't want to degrade his So I don't want to degrade his incredible work, right? But he is a man incredible work, right? But he is a man incredible work, right? But he is a man who knows the world, knows the universe, who knows the world, knows the universe, who knows the world, knows the universe, knows physics, knows science more than knows physics, knows science more than knows physics, knows science more than almost anyone, right? And he, you know, almost anyone, right? And he, you know, almost anyone, right? And he, you know, classic, the more you know, the more you classic, the more you know, the more you classic, the more you know, the more you realize how little you know. And that realize how little you know. And that realize how little you know. And that and that that humbleness I really really and that that humbleness I really really and that that humbleness I really really love about Francis. Um, so thank you for love about Francis. Um, so thank you for love about Francis. Um, so thank you for watching this video. I hope you did like watching this video. I hope you did like watching this video. I hope you did like it. Do like, subscribe if you did enjoy it. Do like, subscribe if you did enjoy it. Do like, subscribe if you did enjoy it, and also check out my subst link it, and also check out my subst link it, and also check out my subst link below. It would mean so, so much. But I below. It would mean so, so much. But I below. It would mean so, so much. But I love you all. Thanks so much for love you all. Thanks so much for love you all. Thanks so much for watching. I'll definitely do another one watching. I'll definitely do another one watching. I'll definitely do another one on something like this, but I I just on something like this, but I I just on something like this, but I I just wanted to actually end [clears throat] wanted to actually end [clears throat] wanted to actually end [clears throat] with a quote by Clive Staples Lewis. If with a quote by Clive Staples Lewis. If with a quote by Clive Staples Lewis. If minds are wholly dependent on brains and minds are wholly dependent on brains and minds are wholly dependent on brains and brains on biochemistry and biochemistry brains on biochemistry and biochemistry brains on biochemistry and biochemistry in the long run on the meaningless flux in the long run on the meaningless flux in the long run on the meaningless flux of atoms, I cannot understand how the of atoms, I cannot understand how the of atoms, I cannot understand how the thought of those minds should have any thought of those minds should have any thought of those minds should have any more significance than the sound and the more significance than the sound and the more significance than the sound and the wind of trees. There we go. The the wind of trees. There we go. The the wind of trees. There we go. The the admiration for CS Lewis continues. But admiration for CS Lewis continues. But admiration for CS Lewis continues. But um yeah, love you all. Hope you have a um yeah, love you all. Hope you have a um yeah, love you all. Hope you have a great day. Comment your thoughts below.

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