MicroConf On Air: The 2021 Predictions Episode with Mike Taber

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and we are live welcome to today's episode of microconf on air i to today's episode of microconf on air i to today's episode of microconf on air i am rob walling every wednesday at 1 pm am rob walling every wednesday at 1 pm am rob walling every wednesday at 1 pm eastern 10 a.m pacific eastern 10 a.m pacific eastern 10 a.m pacific we live stream for about 30 minutes we live stream for about 30 minutes we live stream for about 30 minutes usually but today we're gonna go as long usually but today we're gonna go as long usually but today we're gonna go as long as it takes as it takes as it takes to record an episode of startups for the to record an episode of startups for the to record an episode of startups for the rest of us rest of us rest of us with co-host emeritus mike tabor so with co-host emeritus mike tabor so with co-host emeritus mike tabor so remember in this live stream remember in this live stream remember in this live stream we cover topics related to building and we cover topics related to building and we cover topics related to building and growing ambitious sas startups that growing ambitious sas startups that growing ambitious sas startups that bring us freedom and purpose bring us freedom and purpose bring us freedom and purpose and allow us to value and maintain and allow us to value and maintain and allow us to value and maintain healthy relationships healthy relationships healthy relationships thank you so much for joining me this week week morning and i frozen again morning and i frozen again morning and i frozen again incredible wow i i'm back this has been i gotta be wow i i'm back this has been i gotta be honest this is a honest this is a honest this is a show must go on type of day show must go on type of day show must go on type of day my hd cam that i normally use to record my hd cam that i normally use to record my hd cam that i normally use to record won't turn on well i don't know what's uh going on well i don't know what's uh going on with rob's audio feed but with rob's audio feed but with rob's audio feed but welcome everybody to the uh microconf on welcome everybody to the uh microconf on welcome everybody to the uh microconf on air and air and air and i don't know if rob's uh message got i don't know if rob's uh message got i don't know if rob's uh message got through but uh every wednesday at uh one through but uh every wednesday at uh one through but uh every wednesday at uh one o'clock eastern o'clock eastern o'clock eastern uh 10 a.m uh pacific and uh uh 10 a.m uh pacific and uh uh 10 a.m uh pacific and uh talk about things related to startups talk about things related to startups talk about things related to startups and today we were going to be

and today we were going to be and today we were going to be discussing our 21 2021 predictions discussing our 21 2021 predictions discussing our 21 2021 predictions episode episode episode so uh the first thing to start off with so uh the first thing to start off with so uh the first thing to start off with is going back to our 2019 predictions is going back to our 2019 predictions is going back to our 2019 predictions and we're going to run through those and we're going to run through those and we're going to run through those i think fairly quickly and uh i'll go i think fairly quickly and uh i'll go i think fairly quickly and uh i'll go through mine first through mine first through mine first and then hopefully when rob gets back we and then hopefully when rob gets back we and then hopefully when rob gets back we can kind of switch over to his can kind of switch over to his can kind of switch over to his oh he's back the show must go on oh he's back the show must go on oh he's back the show must go on you know i started without you hang as it dropped me was my hd cam hang as it dropped me was my hd cam wouldn't work wouldn't work wouldn't work our audio recording software wouldn't our audio recording software wouldn't our audio recording software wouldn't work so we're going to have kind of a work so we're going to have kind of a work so we're going to have kind of a lower quality audio episode lower quality audio episode lower quality audio episode for startups for the rest of us and for startups for the rest of us and for startups for the rest of us and suddenly my internet started having suddenly my internet started having suddenly my internet started having issues issues issues and the intro music file that we're and the intro music file that we're and the intro music file that we're trying to use uh producer xander's using trying to use uh producer xander's using trying to use uh producer xander's using isn't working so isn't working so isn't working so it is a comedy of errors and that is it is a comedy of errors and that is it is a comedy of errors and that is live streaming so live streaming so live streaming so what i'd love to do is we're going to what i'd love to do is we're going to what i'd love to do is we're going to record we will get into 2019 predictions record we will get into 2019 predictions record we will get into 2019 predictions which which which because we didn't do any for last year because we didn't do any for last year because we didn't do any for last year but i'd love to start with but i'd love to start with but i'd love to start with a full old school startups for the rest a full old school startups for the rest a full old school startups for the rest of us intro of us intro of us intro sans the music is how i want to do it um sans the music is how i want to do it um sans the music is how i want to do it um so let's let's cause we have the music so let's let's cause we have the music so let's let's cause we have the music but when xander plays it like cuts my but when xander plays it like cuts my but when xander plays it like cuts my audio out so here's what we're going to audio out so here's what we're going to audio out so here's what we're going to do so that do so that do so that so everybody uh watching us live i so everybody uh watching us live i so everybody uh watching us live i appreciate it um and and this is gonna appreciate it um and and this is gonna appreciate it um and and this is gonna be be be i think a fun experiment today so in i think a fun experiment today so in i think a fun experiment today so in this episode this episode this episode actually you know what i think i have a actually you know what i think i have a actually you know what i think i have a question question question yes i do mike yes i do mike yes i do mike what in the original draft of star wars what in the original draft of star wars what in the original draft of star wars a new hope a new hope a new hope what was luke skywalker's last name

what was luke skywalker's last name what was luke skywalker's last name oh nailed it in this episode of startups oh nailed it in this episode of startups oh nailed it in this episode of startups for the rest of us for the rest of us for the rest of us mike and i yeah you need something mike and i yeah you need something mike and i yeah you need something that's just a little bit more difficult that's just a little bit more difficult that's just a little bit more difficult than that than that than that i know uh more nerdy i know uh more nerdy i know uh more nerdy in this episode of startups to the rest in this episode of startups to the rest in this episode of startups to the rest of us mike and i talk about our of us mike and i talk about our of us mike and i talk about our predictions for 2021. predictions for 2021. predictions for 2021. this is startup to the rest of us this is startup to the rest of us this is startup to the rest of us episode 528. episode 528. episode 528. welcome to startups for the rest of us welcome to startups for the rest of us welcome to startups for the rest of us the podcast that helps developers the podcast that helps developers the podcast that helps developers designers and entrepreneurs be awesome designers and entrepreneurs be awesome designers and entrepreneurs be awesome at building launching and growing at building launching and growing at building launching and growing startups startups startups whether you've built your fifth startup whether you've built your fifth startup whether you've built your fifth startup or you're thinking about your first i'm or you're thinking about your first i'm or you're thinking about your first i'm rob mike can you hear me i can't hear you at mike can you hear me i can't hear you at all all all oh no so this is oh oh no so this is oh oh no so this is oh god xander xander can you hear me see we god xander xander can you hear me see we god xander xander can you hear me see we can take all this out and post can take all this out and post can take all this out and post it's just the current live stream it's just the current live stream it's just the current live stream happening is yeah he's got to refresh happening is yeah he's got to refresh happening is yeah he's got to refresh oh wait till he comes back in of every oh wait till he comes back in of every oh wait till he comes back in of every episode episode episode of this live stream that we've done none has had this many technical issues none has had this many technical issues and i just i have no idea oh mike's back and i just i have no idea oh mike's back and i just i have no idea oh mike's back bring him in xander you there can you bring him in xander you there can you bring him in xander you there can you hear me hear me hear me i can hear you now oh my gosh this is i can hear you now oh my gosh this is i can hear you now oh my gosh this is catastrophic it's so incredible catastrophic it's so incredible catastrophic it's so incredible i mean we've had 25 different i mean we've had 25 different i mean we've had 25 different we've done 50 plus of these live streams we've done 50 plus of these live streams we've done 50 plus of these live streams we've never had a day like this we've never had a day like this we've never had a day like this where just comedy of errors everything where just comedy of errors everything where just comedy of errors everything happens and it's on the very special happens and it's on the very special happens and it's on the very special episode episode episode of my coming back so let's try this part of my coming back so let's try this part of my coming back so let's try this part again then

whether you've built your fifth startup whether you've built your fifth startup or you're thinking about your first or you're thinking about your first or you're thinking about your first i'm rob and i'm mike i'm rob and i'm mike i'm rob and i'm mike and we're here to share our experiences and we're here to share our experiences and we're here to share our experiences to help you avoid the mistakes we've to help you avoid the mistakes we've to help you avoid the mistakes we've made made made what is the word this week sir well i what is the word this week sir well i what is the word this week sir well i have uh some big news have uh some big news have uh some big news uh to share i am officially moving to uh to share i am officially moving to uh to share i am officially moving to canada canada canada are you really no april fool's day are you really no april fool's day are you really no april fool's day i mean i figured i mean it's actually i mean i figured i mean it's actually i mean i figured i mean it's actually like march 3790th but like march 3790th but like march 3790th but april 1st has got to be right around the april 1st has got to be right around the april 1st has got to be right around the corner so i figured i'd spring one on corner so i figured i'd spring one on corner so i figured i'd spring one on you you you oh my gosh i thought you were serious i oh my gosh i thought you were serious i oh my gosh i thought you were serious i was like well congratulations sir was like well congratulations sir was like well congratulations sir all right so what's really going on all right so what's really going on all right so what's really going on though what's really the word this week though what's really the word this week though what's really the word this week uh not much just trying to wrap up the uh not much just trying to wrap up the uh not much just trying to wrap up the end of the year and uh get things all end of the year and uh get things all end of the year and uh get things all straightened out for straightened out for straightened out for next year um mostly a lot of paperwork next year um mostly a lot of paperwork next year um mostly a lot of paperwork at this point at this point at this point and getting things together to have and getting things together to have and getting things together to have ready to send off for tax season and ready to send off for tax season and ready to send off for tax season and i don't know just wrapping up last i don't know just wrapping up last i don't know just wrapping up last minute implementations and sales and minute implementations and sales and minute implementations and sales and stuff like that are you gonna get a stuff like that are you gonna get a stuff like that are you gonna get a retax refund or are you gonna pay retax refund or are you gonna pay retax refund or are you gonna pay i have no idea i don't usually find out i have no idea i don't usually find out i have no idea i don't usually find out until like i don't know until like i don't know until like i don't know april you know march april time frame april you know march april time frame april you know march april time frame something like that i have no idea are you there can you hear me mike i i are you there can you hear me mike i i didn't hear you for a second there didn't hear you for a second there didn't hear you for a second there now you're back oh i was i was just now you're back oh i was i was just now you're back oh i was i was just watching this it's gonna be just a watching this it's gonna be just a watching this it's gonna be just a just a great just a barn burner

just a great just a barn burner just a great just a barn burner welcome to 2021 and rob wallin has stepped out of the and rob wallin has stepped out of the building for a few seconds here building for a few seconds here building for a few seconds here so um i suppose we'll go on to the you so um i suppose we'll go on to the you so um i suppose we'll go on to the you know know know a classic favorite microconf joke uh and a classic favorite microconf joke uh and a classic favorite microconf joke uh and and this actually happened so this is and this actually happened so this is and this actually happened so this is you know kind of insane but my son told you know kind of insane but my son told you know kind of insane but my son told me that he that i should get curtains me that he that i should get curtains me that he that i should get curtains for for for my computer and when i asked why he said my computer and when i asked why he said my computer and when i asked why he said because it has windows so i'm not sure because it has windows so i'm not sure because it has windows so i'm not sure whether to be proud whether to be proud whether to be proud or horrified at this point but that's or horrified at this point but that's or horrified at this point but that's you know the you know the you know the story of my life at the moment uh story of my life at the moment uh story of my life at the moment uh raising the kids in the raising the kids in the raising the kids in the land of cobot i no i actually heard it i was just on i no i actually heard it i was just on the deck that was that oh yeah the nice the deck that was that oh yeah the nice the deck that was that oh yeah the nice part about it so part about it so part about it so cool man well let's dive in to reviewing cool man well let's dive in to reviewing cool man well let's dive in to reviewing our predictions that we made in december our predictions that we made in december our predictions that we made in december of 2018 of 2018 of 2018 for 2019 so we never did make 2020 for 2019 so we never did make 2020 for 2019 so we never did make 2020 predictions but these are basically for predictions but these are basically for predictions but these are basically for two years ago two years ago two years ago so you want to run through you had we so you want to run through you had we so you want to run through you had we each had four predictions and each had four predictions and each had four predictions and you can run through yours and give you can run through yours and give you can run through yours and give yourself a rating of one to five on yourself a rating of one to five on yourself a rating of one to five on accuracy five being the most accurate accuracy five being the most accurate accuracy five being the most accurate and then i'll be the same sure uh do you and then i'll be the same sure uh do you and then i'll be the same sure uh do you want me to go through all four mine

want me to go through all four mine want me to go through all four mine first then we'll switch over to yours first then we'll switch over to yours first then we'll switch over to yours okay yeah yeah so we can go turn pretty okay yeah yeah so we can go turn pretty okay yeah yeah so we can go turn pretty quick sure the first one was uh quick sure the first one was uh quick sure the first one was uh that a global downturn would be in full that a global downturn would be in full that a global downturn would be in full swing swing swing and i was off by one year on this i and i was off by one year on this i and i was off by one year on this i really feel like i was really feel like i was really feel like i was so i don't feel like i should get credit so i don't feel like i should get credit so i don't feel like i should get credit for it but at the same time for it but at the same time for it but at the same time you know it's it was only off by a year you know it's it was only off by a year you know it's it was only off by a year and it does feel like 2020 is kind of a and it does feel like 2020 is kind of a and it does feel like 2020 is kind of a global downturn so i'd probably only global downturn so i'd probably only global downturn so i'd probably only give myself give myself give myself maybe two and a half on this one um i'd maybe two and a half on this one um i'd maybe two and a half on this one um i'd probably probably probably lean towards a lower score like maybe lean towards a lower score like maybe lean towards a lower score like maybe one and a half or two instead just one and a half or two instead just one and a half or two instead just because i was off by the year but because i was off by the year but because i was off by the year but it's not say it didn't come true uh the it's not say it didn't come true uh the it's not say it didn't come true uh the second one was second one was second one was esports esports leagues getting a tv esports esports leagues getting a tv esports esports leagues getting a tv channel channel channel aside from twitch um and i think you aside from twitch um and i think you aside from twitch um and i think you told me that told me that told me that apparently that already existed so um apparently that already existed so um apparently that already existed so um five predicted something that had five predicted something that had five predicted something that had already happened already happened already happened yes it's like a reverse nostradamus yeah yes it's like a reverse nostradamus yeah yes it's like a reverse nostradamus yeah um my third prediction was something bad um my third prediction was something bad um my third prediction was something bad would happen with tesla spacex or elon would happen with tesla spacex or elon would happen with tesla spacex or elon musk musk musk and i have to say uh in retrospect and i have to say uh in retrospect and i have to say uh in retrospect looking back at that looking back at that looking back at that um there were some tweets his behavior um there were some tweets his behavior um there were some tweets his behavior gotten more and more outrageous and then gotten more and more outrageous and then gotten more and more outrageous and then he was essentially forced to step down he was essentially forced to step down he was essentially forced to step down as the as the as the chairman of the board i believe by the chairman of the board i believe by the chairman of the board i believe by the sec and they find him like 20 million sec and they find him like 20 million sec and they find him like 20 million dollars or something like that dollars or something like that dollars or something like that but that happened in september of 2018 but that happened in september of 2018 but that happened in september of 2018 and we recorded this in december it was and we recorded this in december it was and we recorded this in december it was this was months later i think you were this was months later i think you were this was months later i think you were predicting something even more predicting something even more predicting something even more um no i i don't think that i don't think um no i i don't think that i don't think um no i i don't think that i don't think that that actually happened until the

that that actually happened until the that that actually happened until the following following following until the spring though it was like until the spring though it was like until the spring though it was like february of 2019. february of 2019. february of 2019. okay i'm gonna step down as ceo okay i'm gonna step down as ceo okay i'm gonna step down as ceo he steps down as chairman and this is he steps down as chairman and this is he steps down as chairman and this is september 19 september 19 september 19 2018 nytimes.com oh okay 2018 nytimes.com oh okay 2018 nytimes.com oh okay all right so three months so i think you all right so three months so i think you all right so three months so i think you were predicting something more were predicting something more were predicting something more would happen right i kind of vaguely would happen right i kind of vaguely would happen right i kind of vaguely recall and i thought there was some recall and i thought there was some recall and i thought there was some other stuff that came out afterwards other stuff that came out afterwards other stuff that came out afterwards like in the like in the like in the in the spring of the following year in the spring of the following year in the spring of the following year where they came out and fined him and where they came out and fined him and where they came out and fined him and did a bunch of other stuff but did a bunch of other stuff but did a bunch of other stuff but i could be wrong in that so i don't i could be wrong in that so i don't i could be wrong in that so i don't we'll say two nothing i don't we'll say two nothing i don't we'll say two nothing i don't oh yeah i don't remember him getting oh yeah i don't remember him getting oh yeah i don't remember him getting fined after that um okay and i'm trying fined after that um okay and i'm trying fined after that um okay and i'm trying to think even to think even to think even like aren't there the stock prices are like aren't there the stock prices are like aren't there the stock prices are all up yeah all up yeah all up yeah i don't know man i would think this is a i don't know man i would think this is a i don't know man i would think this is a mess as well mess as well mess as well i just don't know the article i was i just don't know the article i was i just don't know the article i was looking at said that um he had tweeted looking at said that um he had tweeted looking at said that um he had tweeted something out that showed uh something out that showed uh something out that showed uh said it was a picture and it said 4 000 said it was a picture and it said 4 000 said it was a picture and it said 4 000 tesla cars loading tesla cars loading tesla cars loading for us sf in europe and he tweeted that for us sf in europe and he tweeted that for us sf in europe and he tweeted that on february 19 on february 19 on february 19 2019 um and then after that like his 2019 um and then after that like his 2019 um and then after that like his general counsel resigned and then all general counsel resigned and then all general counsel resigned and then all this other stuff this other stuff this other stuff so yeah there was a bunch of stuff that so yeah there was a bunch of stuff that so yeah there was a bunch of stuff that happened afterwards happened afterwards happened afterwards so i would probably give myself yeah i so i would probably give myself yeah i so i would probably give myself yeah i give myself a three on that one uh and then the last one was amazon will uh and then the last one was amazon will overtake apple in terms of market cap overtake apple in terms of market cap overtake apple in terms of market cap and i think i was pretty far off on that and i think i was pretty far off on that and i think i was pretty far off on that one so that would be a one so that would be a one so that would be a one maybe a zero um i mean it was within one maybe a zero um i mean it was within one maybe a zero um i mean it was within the realm of possibility but the realm of possibility but the realm of possibility but it certainly i don't think that it

it certainly i don't think that it it certainly i don't think that it happened all right and now if mike all right and now if mike if i don't i think i froze up already you did i think i froze up already you did freeze up but what i can do is i can freeze up but what i can do is i can freeze up but what i can do is i can talk for you and make outlandish claims talk for you and make outlandish claims talk for you and make outlandish claims and you have no recourse and you have no recourse and you have no recourse so i think we'd go with that well i do not have magic tricks like uh well i do not have magic tricks like uh rob so rob so rob so unfortunately you're gonna be left with unfortunately you're gonna be left with unfortunately you're gonna be left with me but though you can look at my uh me but though you can look at my uh me but though you can look at my uh christmas tree with the uh the darth christmas tree with the uh the darth christmas tree with the uh the darth vader on the top vader on the top vader on the top it's quite uh interesting and it's quite uh interesting and it's quite uh interesting and entertaining if you're into that kind of entertaining if you're into that kind of entertaining if you're into that kind of thing thing thing but that would also explain why i knew but that would also explain why i knew but that would also explain why i knew the um the answer to rob's question the um the answer to rob's question the um the answer to rob's question about whether about whether about whether what luke skywalker's original name was what luke skywalker's original name was what luke skywalker's original name was in the uh uh original script of star in the uh uh original script of star in the uh uh original script of star wars wars wars i'm back thanks for vamping mike it's i'm back thanks for vamping mike it's i'm back thanks for vamping mike it's great nice to have you great nice to have you great nice to have you here because you can just cover for me here because you can just cover for me here because you can just cover for me if it was like a just a typical guest if it was like a just a typical guest if it was like a just a typical guest they'd be like uh they'd be like uh they'd be like uh they'd be like what do i do exactly they'd be like what do i do exactly they'd be like what do i do exactly all right so let's see if we can get all right so let's see if we can get all right so let's see if we can get through my four predictions here that i through my four predictions here that i through my four predictions here that i made made made again back in december of 2018 for 2019 again back in december of 2018 for 2019 again back in december of 2018 for 2019 so the first so the first so the first was that cryptocurrencies would have ups was that cryptocurrencies would have ups was that cryptocurrencies would have ups and downs but there would be no major and downs but there would be no major and downs but there would be no major boom in 2019 but that i was still boom in 2019 but that i was still boom in 2019 but that i was still bullish bullish bullish long term and i long term and i long term and i actually i mean and now we're having a

actually i mean and now we're having a actually i mean and now we're having a big boom in 2020. big boom in 2020. big boom in 2020. so i would give myself like a four on so i would give myself like a four on so i would give myself like a four on that that that that there because there was no boom in that there because there was no boom in that there because there was no boom in 2019 and there is a boom right now i 2019 and there is a boom right now i 2019 and there is a boom right now i mean mean mean the bullish long-term thing it remains the bullish long-term thing it remains the bullish long-term thing it remains to be seen but i give myself a three or to be seen but i give myself a three or to be seen but i give myself a three or four four four um i predicted 2018 would be the year of um i predicted 2018 would be the year of um i predicted 2018 would be the year of ar of ar of ar of augmented reality and i would give augmented reality and i would give augmented reality and i would give myself a one or z myself a one or z myself a one or z whatever the lowest score is on that whatever the lowest score is on that whatever the lowest score is on that because i don't feel like i remember because i don't feel like i remember because i don't feel like i remember being like no air's gonna take off and being like no air's gonna take off and being like no air's gonna take off and there'll be a headset and you know there'll be a headset and you know there'll be a headset and you know we'll be doing it and like every we'll be doing it and like every we'll be doing it and like every prediction with technology it's probably prediction with technology it's probably prediction with technology it's probably what am i probably five years early uh what am i probably five years early uh what am i probably five years early uh the faith that there would be a facebook the faith that there would be a facebook the faith that there would be a facebook anti-trust suit brought against them anti-trust suit brought against them anti-trust suit brought against them an anti-trust who brought against an anti-trust who brought against an anti-trust who brought against facebook i literally predicted that for facebook i literally predicted that for facebook i literally predicted that for for 2019 for 2019 for 2019 and there would be the rise of a new and there would be the rise of a new and there would be the rise of a new social network as a result because they social network as a result because they social network as a result because they would um would um would um either get broken up or get kind of uh either get broken up or get kind of uh either get broken up or get kind of uh you know handicapped by it you know handicapped by it you know handicapped by it so that's one where i mean for 2019 i so that's one where i mean for 2019 i so that's one where i mean for 2019 i get a get a get a zero but for 2020 that just zero but for 2020 that just zero but for 2020 that just happened two weeks ago for those happened two weeks ago for those happened two weeks ago for those watching in the future literally watching in the future literally watching in the future literally facebook anti-trust suit so it's funny facebook anti-trust suit so it's funny facebook anti-trust suit so it's funny how the timing works out how the timing works out how the timing works out and then i made a bold prediction that and then i made a bold prediction that and then i made a bold prediction that twitter would be acquired twitter would be acquired twitter would be acquired which did not happen so that is an which did not happen so that is an which did not happen so that is an absolute absolute absolute fail so you and i have never really had fail so you and i have never really had fail so you and i have never really had good track records with these i mean i good track records with these i mean i good track records with these i mean i think predictions like these are think predictions like these are think predictions like these are kind of tough especially the bolder like kind of tough especially the bolder like kind of tough especially the bolder like you want to make them bold so that you want to make them bold so that you want to make them bold so that they're fun to talk about they're fun to talk about they're fun to talk about and the bolder they are the less likely and the bolder they are the less likely and the bolder they are the less likely they are to happen in the next 12 months they are to happen in the next 12 months they are to happen in the next 12 months right you know i think a lot of our right you know i think a lot of our right you know i think a lot of our predictions i bet if we went back a lot predictions i bet if we went back a lot predictions i bet if we went back a lot of them happened of them happened of them happened eventually sorry well i mean i don't eventually sorry well i mean i don't eventually sorry well i mean i don't think

think think people are going to be predicting things people are going to be predicting things people are going to be predicting things that are just never just not even within that are just never just not even within that are just never just not even within the realm of possibility but eventually the realm of possibility but eventually the realm of possibility but eventually at some point sure they could all happen at some point sure they could all happen at some point sure they could all happen yep cool so with that sir let's dive in yep cool so with that sir let's dive in yep cool so with that sir let's dive in let's see we each have five predictions let's see we each have five predictions let's see we each have five predictions for 2021 for 2021 for 2021 and uh why don't you kick us off with and uh why don't you kick us off with and uh why don't you kick us off with yours so my first prediction is uh sort yours so my first prediction is uh sort yours so my first prediction is uh sort of based on of based on of based on loosely on current events but uh i loosely on current events but uh i loosely on current events but uh i believe that commercial office believe that commercial office believe that commercial office real estate or commercial office space real estate or commercial office space real estate or commercial office space real estate will real estate will real estate will never recover and i think that's going never recover and i think that's going never recover and i think that's going to be a function of these large to be a function of these large to be a function of these large businesses that businesses that businesses that have sent everybody home for long have sent everybody home for long have sent everybody home for long stretches of time stretches of time stretches of time whether you know initially they thought whether you know initially they thought whether you know initially they thought it was only gonna be a couple weeks and it was only gonna be a couple weeks and it was only gonna be a couple weeks and then they realized it was several months then they realized it was several months then they realized it was several months and now it's stretched out in some cases and now it's stretched out in some cases and now it's stretched out in some cases to to to six months a year or two years at this six months a year or two years at this six months a year or two years at this point and they've realized that they point and they've realized that they point and they've realized that they actually don't need those big office actually don't need those big office actually don't need those big office spaces so they have these big buildings spaces so they have these big buildings spaces so they have these big buildings and and and places whether they've ever purchased it places whether they've ever purchased it places whether they've ever purchased it or rented it and they or rented it and they or rented it and they come to find out and realize like hey we come to find out and realize like hey we come to find out and realize like hey we can actually make this work and we don't can actually make this work and we don't can actually make this work and we don't need these spaces need these spaces need these spaces we can have all of our workers at home we can have all of our workers at home we can have all of our workers at home and we can cut and we can cut and we can cut a lot of expenses by doing so and in a lot of expenses by doing so and in a lot of expenses by doing so and in some cases they're cutting millions of some cases they're cutting millions of some cases they're cutting millions of dollars by being able to do that dollars by being able to do that dollars by being able to do that and they're making it work so i think and they're making it work so i think and they're making it work so i think that that that knowing that they're able to survive knowing that they're able to survive knowing that they're able to survive without this office uh without this office uh without this office uh like this office environment is going to like this office environment is going to like this office environment is going to continue continue continue like encourage them to continue down like encourage them to continue down like encourage them to continue down that path and they're just not going to that path and they're just not going to that path and they're just not going to come back come back come back uh there are certainly some who are uh there are certainly some who are uh there are certainly some who are going to but going to but going to but for the most part that stuff's gone away for the most part that stuff's gone away for the most part that stuff's gone away there's still going to be a lot of there's still going to be a lot of there's still going to be a lot of services services services um you know real estate for like you

um you know real estate for like you um you know real estate for like you know salons know salons know salons and you know phone repair and retail and and you know phone repair and retail and and you know phone repair and retail and things like that things like that things like that but the actual office space stuff um but the actual office space stuff um but the actual office space stuff um i think that's gone and i don't think i think that's gone and i don't think i think that's gone and i don't think it'll ever come back it'll ever come back it'll ever come back bold prediction sir i um what's funny is bold prediction sir i um what's funny is bold prediction sir i um what's funny is as you talk and you say these companies as you talk and you say these companies as you talk and you say these companies have realized they don't need the office have realized they don't need the office have realized they don't need the office space they can be remote space they can be remote space they can be remote does it feel to you like they're finally does it feel to you like they're finally does it feel to you like they're finally catching up to what we the bootstrap the catching up to what we the bootstrap the catching up to what we the bootstrap the microgroff community has been doing for microgroff community has been doing for microgroff community has been doing for a decade because we didn't have the a decade because we didn't have the a decade because we didn't have the money and to hire talent you know you money and to hire talent you know you money and to hire talent you know you couldn't hire to couldn't hire to couldn't hire to afford to hire talent in a major city so afford to hire talent in a major city so afford to hire talent in a major city so we always hired remote we always hired remote we always hired remote and it's like oh you're getting here too and it's like oh you're getting here too and it's like oh you're getting here too now i feel like it's now i feel like it's now i feel like it's you know kind of harkening back to my um you know kind of harkening back to my um you know kind of harkening back to my um consulting days consulting days consulting days where uh you know you'd go into a comp i where uh you know you'd go into a comp i where uh you know you'd go into a comp i would go into a company would go into a company would go into a company and they'd say oh this can't be done or and they'd say oh this can't be done or and they'd say oh this can't be done or we can't do it this way and i'd ask the we can't do it this way and i'd ask the we can't do it this way and i'd ask the questions and why not but because i'm an questions and why not but because i'm an questions and why not but because i'm an outside person outside person outside person in some cases they would just obliterate in some cases they would just obliterate in some cases they would just obliterate it as no that's completely it as no that's completely it as no that's completely non-starter even though i've made it non-starter even though i've made it non-starter even though i've made it work at other companies and then there's work at other companies and then there's work at other companies and then there's other cases where other cases where other cases where they're like oh that's a great idea why they're like oh that's a great idea why they're like oh that's a great idea why didn't we think of it and it's just like didn't we think of it and it's just like didn't we think of it and it's just like it wasn't you didn't think of it or it wasn't you didn't think of it or it wasn't you didn't think of it or nobody talked to you about it you just nobody talked to you about it you just nobody talked to you about it you just didn't believe it didn't believe it didn't believe it until you actually saw it so i think until you actually saw it so i think until you actually saw it so i think that's more of it than anything else that's more of it than anything else that's more of it than anything else yeah i would agree with that my first yeah i would agree with that my first yeah i would agree with that my first prediction prediction prediction is that privacy concerns will continue is that privacy concerns will continue is that privacy concerns will continue to transform email marketing to transform email marketing to transform email marketing back to what it used to be which was back to what it used to be which was back to what it used to be which was basically spray and pray basically spray and pray basically spray and pray and obviously over the past 15 20 years and obviously over the past 15 20 years and obviously over the past 15 20 years i mean if you think way back to i mean if you think way back to i mean if you think way back to early days constant contact around 2000 early days constant contact around 2000 early days constant contact around 2000 you you had you kind of got some open

you you had you kind of got some open you you had you kind of got some open rates and some click-through rates but a rates and some click-through rates but a rates and some click-through rates but a lot of people didn't pay attention to lot of people didn't pay attention to lot of people didn't pay attention to them and you just had this list them and you just had this list them and you just had this list that you sent broadcast to and you that you sent broadcast to and you that you sent broadcast to and you didn't do any type of tagging or didn't do any type of tagging or didn't do any type of tagging or behavioral based email behavioral based email behavioral based email you didn't write anything specific for you didn't write anything specific for you didn't write anything specific for different segments different segments different segments and then over the next 10 you know 10 12 and then over the next 10 you know 10 12 and then over the next 10 you know 10 12 years that became a thing marketing years that became a thing marketing years that became a thing marketing automation and the tagging and automation and the tagging and automation and the tagging and everything became everything became everything became a thing as infusionsoft marketo pardot a thing as infusionsoft marketo pardot a thing as infusionsoft marketo pardot whatever you know drip and then whatever you know drip and then whatever you know drip and then mailchimp added them and aweber added mailchimp added them and aweber added mailchimp added them and aweber added out of that type of stuff out of that type of stuff out of that type of stuff um but the privacy concerns with uh the um but the privacy concerns with uh the um but the privacy concerns with uh the open pixels open pixels open pixels um or the tracking pixels in essence um or the tracking pixels in essence um or the tracking pixels in essence inside emails inside emails inside emails is becoming um you know kind of more and is becoming um you know kind of more and is becoming um you know kind of more and more more more more and more of an issue and it's also more and more of an issue and it's also more and more of an issue and it's also you know with with gmail you know with with gmail you know with with gmail they haven't made a move on it in quite they haven't made a move on it in quite they haven't made a move on it in quite a few years it was probably 2013 when a few years it was probably 2013 when a few years it was probably 2013 when they they they started caching that pix open rates started caching that pix open rates started caching that pix open rates and then this year with hey.com um and then this year with hey.com um and then this year with hey.com um oh man am i frozen no hopefully i'm oh man am i frozen no hopefully i'm oh man am i frozen no hopefully i'm still still still kind of live but sorry kind of live but sorry kind of live but sorry i think you lost me for a minute i'll i think you lost me for a minute i'll i think you lost me for a minute i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll keep going there um i'll keep going there um i'll keep going there um and you know this year with hey.com and you know this year with hey.com and you know this year with hey.com with uh the base camp guys putting out with uh the base camp guys putting out with uh the base camp guys putting out hay and saying we're gonna block all hay and saying we're gonna block all hay and saying we're gonna block all tracking pixels and i believe they're tracking pixels and i believe they're tracking pixels and i believe they're like gonna like gonna like gonna shame people in the app right who send shame people in the app right who send shame people in the app right who send tracking pixels like there's kind of tracking pixels like there's kind of tracking pixels like there's kind of becoming this backlash about it and so becoming this backlash about it and so becoming this backlash about it and so well certainly i don't think every email well certainly i don't think every email well certainly i don't think every email client will do that instantly client will do that instantly client will do that instantly much like not provided started happening much like not provided started happening much like not provided started happening in google in google in google and much like ssl everywhere became a

and much like ssl everywhere became a and much like ssl everywhere became a thing i do think there's a movement thing i do think there's a movement thing i do think there's a movement towards towards towards essentially blocking a lot of the the essentially blocking a lot of the the essentially blocking a lot of the the good metrics that good metrics that good metrics that an email service provider can get from an email service provider can get from an email service provider can get from email broadcasts or in email automation email broadcasts or in email automation email broadcasts or in email automation and once you lose a lot of that stuff and once you lose a lot of that stuff and once you lose a lot of that stuff you'll start to lose the you'll start to lose the you'll start to lose the really the helpfulness of the tagging really the helpfulness of the tagging really the helpfulness of the tagging and and it's not you can't have any and and it's not you can't have any and and it's not you can't have any automations but automations but automations but it's going to kind of set email it's going to kind of set email it's going to kind of set email marketing back you know five marketing back you know five marketing back you know five or ten years uh or ten years uh or ten years uh my second prediction is um related to my second prediction is um related to my second prediction is um related to government regulations on big tech and government regulations on big tech and government regulations on big tech and there's actually a couple of different there's actually a couple of different there's actually a couple of different things that things that things that uh will kind of fall under this umbrella uh will kind of fall under this umbrella uh will kind of fall under this umbrella for my predictions so i kind of this is for my predictions so i kind of this is for my predictions so i kind of this is almost like a two-parter almost like a two-parter almost like a two-parter and the first one is going to be there's and the first one is going to be there's and the first one is going to be there's going to be a over going to be a over going to be a over attempt by a government and i'm gonna attempt by a government and i'm gonna attempt by a government and i'm gonna you know kind of you know kind of you know kind of uh lump like a couple of them together uh lump like a couple of them together uh lump like a couple of them together like united states either united states like united states either united states like united states either united states federal government federal government federal government uh the european union or even maybe even uh the european union or even maybe even uh the european union or even maybe even a i doubt a state a i doubt a state a i doubt a state government would have uh the ability to government would have uh the ability to government would have uh the ability to do this but they're going to attempt to do this but they're going to attempt to do this but they're going to attempt to break up break up break up at least one of the big tech companies at least one of the big tech companies at least one of the big tech companies and my money on that would be on and my money on that would be on and my money on that would be on facebook but facebook but facebook but i think that um you know amazon i think that um you know amazon i think that um you know amazon apple and google are kind of all there apple and google are kind of all there apple and google are kind of all there in the crosshairs but i think that in the crosshairs but i think that in the crosshairs but i think that facebook is probably the one that facebook is probably the one that facebook is probably the one that uh would it would end up being targeted uh would it would end up being targeted uh would it would end up being targeted if any of them were if any of them were if any of them were and then my second uh prediction under and then my second uh prediction under and then my second uh prediction under regulations is that governments are regulations is that governments are regulations is that governments are going to actively crack down on the gig going to actively crack down on the gig going to actively crack down on the gig economy economy economy and essentially people who are doing and essentially people who are doing and essentially people who are doing side jobs side jobs side jobs or they're stringing together multiple or they're stringing together multiple or they're stringing together multiple side jobs in order to side jobs in order to side jobs in order to either make a living or make extra money either make a living or make extra money either make a living or make extra money on the side those type of people

on the side those type of people on the side those type of people are i think the government's going to are i think the government's going to are i think the government's going to look at those and say well not only are look at those and say well not only are look at those and say well not only are they they they very high at risk for you know getting very high at risk for you know getting very high at risk for you know getting uh covet or uh covet or uh covet or or other things um i think the the or other things um i think the the or other things um i think the the problem that the government's gonna look problem that the government's gonna look problem that the government's gonna look at and see at and see at and see is that those people don't have any is that those people don't have any is that those people don't have any health care or health insurance or have health care or health insurance or have health care or health insurance or have low access to it and they're not treated low access to it and they're not treated low access to it and they're not treated well they're not paid well well they're not paid well well they're not paid well and therefore need to be protected so i and therefore need to be protected so i and therefore need to be protected so i think that the governments are going to think that the governments are going to think that the governments are going to crack down on those things crack down on those things crack down on those things and put legislation and regulations in and put legislation and regulations in and put legislation and regulations in place and not just talk about it they've place and not just talk about it they've place and not just talk about it they've talked about it before talked about it before talked about it before they've tried to do things and you know they've tried to do things and you know they've tried to do things and you know like the california state government has like the california state government has like the california state government has tried to do things but no one's ever tried to do things but no one's ever tried to do things but no one's ever really made a concerted effort and i really made a concerted effort and i really made a concerted effort and i think that this year is think that this year is think that this year is going to be the year that they do that going to be the year that they do that going to be the year that they do that well well well is i mean that's kind of already is i mean that's kind of already is i mean that's kind of already happening right there's i guess there's happening right there's i guess there's happening right there's i guess there's a lawsuit against facebook and google a lawsuit against facebook and google a lawsuit against facebook and google lawsuits from 40 something states lawsuits from 40 something states lawsuits from 40 something states and the federal government and are you and the federal government and are you and the federal government and are you just are you kind of piggybacking on just are you kind of piggybacking on just are you kind of piggybacking on that and saying the result of that that and saying the result of that that and saying the result of that lawsuit will be lawsuit will be lawsuit will be that they try to break one of these up that they try to break one of these up that they try to break one of these up there's yeah so there's a difference there's yeah so there's a difference there's yeah so there's a difference between between between suing them and then trying to get them suing them and then trying to get them suing them and then trying to get them to change their practices i think to change their practices i think to change their practices i think they're going to go that extra step and they're going to go that extra step and they're going to go that extra step and they're going to say no they're going to say no they're going to say no what you've proposed is not acceptable what you've proposed is not acceptable what you've proposed is not acceptable we want to break you up we want to break you up we want to break you up similar to what they did back with similar to what they did back with similar to what they did back with microsoft and then microsoft did all microsoft and then microsoft did all microsoft and then microsoft did all these different things these different things these different things and so that never actually came to and so that never actually came to and so that never actually came to happen but i think that happen but i think that happen but i think that the governments are going to you know the governments are going to you know the governments are going to you know they're going to push for that hard they're going to push for that hard they're going to push for that hard enough that it's going to get to that enough that it's going to get to that enough that it's going to get to that point where they point where they point where they that's on the table as a potential um that's on the table as a potential um that's on the table as a potential um you know resolution whether it happens you know resolution whether it happens you know resolution whether it happens or not is a different story but i think or not is a different story but i think or not is a different story but i think that it's going to get to that point

that it's going to get to that point that it's going to get to that point where it is pushed and it is where it is pushed and it is where it is pushed and it is openly on the table and everyone's openly on the table and everyone's openly on the table and everyone's talking about it talking about it talking about it i think it's on the table already i i think it's on the table already i i think it's on the table already i think the prediction to be bold would be think the prediction to be bold would be think the prediction to be bold would be that it will happen that it will happen that it will happen right because people are already right because people are already right because people are already mentioning it i mean the first news mentioning it i mean the first news mentioning it i mean the first news article i read article i read article i read was like could they be broken up you was like could they be broken up you was like could they be broken up you know i mean that's kind of the first know i mean that's kind of the first know i mean that's kind of the first thing that thing that thing that folks are saying i would i would also folks are saying i would i would also folks are saying i would i would also say that um say that um say that um facebook and google have a suit against facebook and google have a suit against facebook and google have a suit against them and they are them and they are them and they are and and apple doesn't yet right but i and and apple doesn't yet right but i and and apple doesn't yet right but i believe they you know my believe they you know my believe they you know my my opinion is google facebook and apple my opinion is google facebook and apple my opinion is google facebook and apple are monopolies are monopolies are monopolies amazon is not a monopoly in anything amazon is not a monopoly in anything amazon is not a monopoly in anything like every big major thing they have like every big major thing they have like every big major thing they have they have maybe kindle they have maybe kindle they have maybe kindle is the only one i can i can think of can is the only one i can i can think of can is the only one i can i can think of can you think of another thing they're you think of another thing they're you think of another thing they're monopoly because they don't own enough monopoly because they don't own enough monopoly because they don't own enough the e-commerce market to be a monopoly the e-commerce market to be a monopoly the e-commerce market to be a monopoly i think that um there are spaces of the i think that um there are spaces of the i think that um there are spaces of the e-commerce market where they are doing e-commerce market where they are doing e-commerce market where they are doing things that are things that are things that are monopolistic such that they own the monopolistic such that they own the monopolistic such that they own the platform platform platform and they're allowing people to sell like and they're allowing people to sell like and they're allowing people to sell like the fulfillment by amazon the fulfillment by amazon the fulfillment by amazon and then they're i believe that they're and then they're i believe that they're and then they're i believe that they're using some of that data to decide what using some of that data to decide what using some of that data to decide what products that they should offer as white products that they should offer as white products that they should offer as white label label label amazon products and they're using sales amazon products and they're using sales amazon products and they're using sales data that they shouldn't data that they shouldn't data that they shouldn't and that kind of came out a little bit and that kind of came out a little bit and that kind of came out a little bit that was at least alluded to that was at least alluded to that was at least alluded to in some of the congressional testimony in some of the congressional testimony in some of the congressional testimony this past year but it was never this past year but it was never this past year but it was never concretely confirmed one way or the concretely confirmed one way or the concretely confirmed one way or the other other other so i think there's definitely arguments so i think there's definitely arguments so i think there's definitely arguments there there there yeah i hear that um yeah i hear that um yeah i hear that um i think that oh i'm trying to think

i think that oh i'm trying to think i think that oh i'm trying to think the white the white level stuff you're the white the white level stuff you're the white the white level stuff you're mentioning is anti-competitive mentioning is anti-competitive mentioning is anti-competitive but i don't believe it's monopolistic but i don't believe it's monopolistic but i don't believe it's monopolistic and that's and that's and that's that gets into it being um that maybe that gets into it being um that maybe that gets into it being um that maybe like like like i just to do an anti-trust suit and to i just to do an anti-trust suit and to i just to do an anti-trust suit and to try to break up monopoly you really need try to break up monopoly you really need try to break up monopoly you really need compelling evidence that they are a compelling evidence that they are a compelling evidence that they are a monopoly now they could be sued i monopoly now they could be sued i monopoly now they could be sued i believe for anti-competitive practices believe for anti-competitive practices believe for anti-competitive practices with the white level stuff but it's just with the white level stuff but it's just with the white level stuff but it's just such a different game you know such a different game you know such a different game you know because with walmart and target and best because with walmart and target and best because with walmart and target and best buy and all these other retailers buy and all these other retailers buy and all these other retailers um amazon has a line like the majority um amazon has a line like the majority um amazon has a line like the majority of the market but they don't have that of the market but they don't have that of the market but they don't have that 90 something percent penetration that 90 something percent penetration that 90 something percent penetration that google does or google does or google does or facebook does or you know whatever apple facebook does or you know whatever apple facebook does or you know whatever apple has in has in has in the smartphone i think where it becomes the smartphone i think where it becomes the smartphone i think where it becomes anti uh anti uh anti uh like the monopoly behavior is where like the monopoly behavior is where like the monopoly behavior is where they've got the they've got the they've got the um uh they they have access to um uh they they have access to um uh they they have access to invisibility to sales data invisibility to sales data invisibility to sales data for their competitors directly in the for their competitors directly in the for their competitors directly in the platform that they're selling on platform that they're selling on platform that they're selling on that's where it becomes abusive you know that's where it becomes abusive you know that's where it becomes abusive you know a monopoly a monopoly a monopoly exact platform and it's anti-competitive exact platform and it's anti-competitive exact platform and it's anti-competitive but it's again it's monopoly is a very but it's again it's monopoly is a very but it's again it's monopoly is a very specific definition specific definition specific definition it's where you own almost all the market it's where you own almost all the market it's where you own almost all the market and no one else can compete and no one else can compete and no one else can compete and frankly walmart is competing you and frankly walmart is competing you and frankly walmart is competing you know that shopify stores are competing know that shopify stores are competing know that shopify stores are competing against amazon against amazon against amazon but anti-competitive is it's not right but anti-competitive is it's not right but anti-competitive is it's not right that what they're doing but it's a that what they're doing but it's a that what they're doing but it's a different name and i don't know that you different name and i don't know that you different name and i don't know that you can bring an anti-trust suit against can bring an anti-trust suit against can bring an anti-trust suit against them okay so them okay so them okay so it's just interesting because i'm in the it's just interesting because i'm in the it's just interesting because i'm in the same boat where i think facebook amazon same boat where i think facebook amazon same boat where i think facebook amazon apple google these are all huge apple google these are all huge apple google these are all huge companies they must be monopolies companies they must be monopolies companies they must be monopolies but i only think three of them are i but i only think three of them are i but i only think three of them are i don't think amazon is and i'd be don't think amazon is and i'd be don't think amazon is and i'd be probably probably probably knowing bezos they did that you know

knowing bezos they did that you know knowing bezos they did that you know that i mean he's a pretty smart guy to that i mean he's a pretty smart guy to that i mean he's a pretty smart guy to have not done that that they've gotten have not done that that they've gotten have not done that that they've gotten this big without being a monopoly in any this big without being a monopoly in any this big without being a monopoly in any space space space they have the amazon uh you know aws and they have the amazon uh you know aws and they have the amazon uh you know aws and google app engine like google app engine like google app engine like and azure are both like good solid and azure are both like good solid and azure are both like good solid competitors with them you know competitors with them you know competitors with them you know right again kindle is the one i can right again kindle is the one i can right again kindle is the one i can think of where they just own think of where they just own think of where they just own the vast vast majority of that market the vast vast majority of that market the vast vast majority of that market but anyways yeah but anyways yeah but anyways yeah good prediction sir so my second good prediction sir so my second good prediction sir so my second prediction is that prediction is that prediction is that in 2021 in-person events will happen but in 2021 in-person events will happen but in 2021 in-person events will happen but adjustments adjustments adjustments will be put in place and so there will will be put in place and so there will will be put in place and so there will be be be whether it's uh social distancing early whether it's uh social distancing early whether it's uh social distancing early in the year or masks being warrants um you know just all the stuff that um you know just all the stuff that we've kind of seen around and then as we we've kind of seen around and then as we we've kind of seen around and then as we get towards the end of the year get towards the end of the year get towards the end of the year i think that that less and less of that i think that that less and less of that i think that that less and less of that stuff will be stuff will be stuff will be will be need needed cool my third my third prediction is uh cool my third my third prediction is uh related healthcare and i think there's related healthcare and i think there's related healthcare and i think there's gonna be a gonna be a gonna be a major breakthrough in nanotechnology so major breakthrough in nanotechnology so major breakthrough in nanotechnology so um obviously there's been a lot of um um obviously there's been a lot of um um obviously there's been a lot of um you know advances with the uh the code you know advances with the uh the code you know advances with the uh the code vaccine but i think that vaccine but i think that vaccine but i think that this is gonna get to the point where um this is gonna get to the point where um this is gonna get to the point where um it could be something like it could be something like it could be something like an implanted chipset that is intended to an implanted chipset that is intended to an implanted chipset that is intended to go mainstream whether go mainstream whether go mainstream whether i don't believe it would go mainstream i don't believe it would go mainstream i don't believe it would go mainstream next year but i do think that somebody's next year but i do think that somebody's next year but i do think that somebody's gonna come up with something where their gonna come up with something where their gonna come up with something where their the intention the intention the intention is to do that um it might also be is to do that um it might also be is to do that um it might also be something like that is much more something like that is much more something like that is much more um i'll say specialized like it could be um i'll say specialized like it could be um i'll say specialized like it could be an artificial organ like an artificial an artificial organ like an artificial an artificial organ like an artificial uh one that has not been developed yet uh one that has not been developed yet uh one that has not been developed yet so

so so um maybe pieces that would augment your um maybe pieces that would augment your um maybe pieces that would augment your liver or maybe a replacement kidney liver or maybe a replacement kidney liver or maybe a replacement kidney something along those lines could also something along those lines could also something along those lines could also just be something that's just be something that's just be something that's like a little bit more simplistic that like a little bit more simplistic that like a little bit more simplistic that is for either monitoring or diagnosing is for either monitoring or diagnosing is for either monitoring or diagnosing um ongoing biofunctions it could be used um ongoing biofunctions it could be used um ongoing biofunctions it could be used for surgery or for post-op care for surgery or for post-op care for surgery or for post-op care something along those lines so in those something along those lines so in those something along those lines so in those cases it obviously wouldn't be cases it obviously wouldn't be cases it obviously wouldn't be mainstream so much as it would be for mainstream so much as it would be for mainstream so much as it would be for specifically hospitals or surgery specifically hospitals or surgery specifically hospitals or surgery centers where centers where centers where they can just you know put this in you they can just you know put this in you they can just you know put this in you and implant it and then and implant it and then and implant it and then use it to assist them with whatever it use it to assist them with whatever it use it to assist them with whatever it is that they're doing is that they're doing is that they're doing and i think people will be terrified by and i think people will be terrified by and i think people will be terrified by this whole idea because they'll be like this whole idea because they'll be like this whole idea because they'll be like oh my god bill gates is trying to chip oh my god bill gates is trying to chip oh my god bill gates is trying to chip microchip us microchip us microchip us only some people will be terrified by it only some people will be terrified by it only some people will be terrified by it and there'll be people who are totally and there'll be people who are totally and there'll be people who are totally willing to do it you know willing to do it you know willing to do it you know i like that prediction we we got a i like that prediction we we got a i like that prediction we we got a prediction from the chat uh from prediction from the chat uh from prediction from the chat uh from ken wallace he says be bold predict that ken wallace he says be bold predict that ken wallace he says be bold predict that 2021 is the year of universal 2021 is the year of universal 2021 is the year of universal basic income and anyone out in the chat basic income and anyone out in the chat basic income and anyone out in the chat if you have any comments thoughts if you have any comments thoughts if you have any comments thoughts questions uh that is kind of fun part of questions uh that is kind of fun part of questions uh that is kind of fun part of doing this live is that doing this live is that doing this live is that we're able to incorporate those into our we're able to incorporate those into our we're able to incorporate those into our conversation conversation conversation ubi mike i don't think it'll be a thing ubi mike i don't think it'll be a thing ubi mike i don't think it'll be a thing in the u.s i can in the u.s i can in the u.s i can totally imagine uh some countries in totally imagine uh some countries in totally imagine uh some countries in europe giving it a try this europe giving it a try this europe giving it a try this in 2021 yeah i definitely could as well in 2021 yeah i definitely could as well in 2021 yeah i definitely could as well i don't think i don't think i don't think i think it'll be a long time before i think it'll be a long time before i think it'll be a long time before something like that happens in the us something like that happens in the us something like that happens in the us but but but um europe i think is definitely a lot um europe i think is definitely a lot um europe i think is definitely a lot more progressive in that standpoint more progressive in that standpoint more progressive in that standpoint from that standpoint and i could see from that standpoint and i could see from that standpoint and i could see them doing it yeah them doing it yeah them doing it yeah and i'm not read up you know enough on and i'm not read up you know enough on and i'm not read up you know enough on ubi to like have ubi to like have ubi to like have too much intelligent thought on it but

too much intelligent thought on it but too much intelligent thought on it but my third my third my third prediction is that funding in prediction is that funding in prediction is that funding in the startup space in general will and the startup space in general will and the startup space in general will and especially i guess in the bootstrapper especially i guess in the bootstrapper especially i guess in the bootstrapper space will space will space will continue its kind of destigmatization continue its kind of destigmatization continue its kind of destigmatization as more founder friendly options as more founder friendly options as more founder friendly options continue to show up continue to show up continue to show up and continue to expand it's interesting and continue to expand it's interesting and continue to expand it's interesting i think it was i think it was i think it was my 20 back in 20 my 20 back in 20 my 20 back in 20 when was it that i predicted it but it when was it that i predicted it but it when was it that i predicted it but it was something about that there would be was something about that there would be was something about that there would be more bootstrappers raising funding this more bootstrappers raising funding this more bootstrappers raising funding this was like three years ago was like three years ago was like three years ago and it was something and it was before i and it was something and it was before i and it was something and it was before i started tiny seed i'm pretty sure and i started tiny seed i'm pretty sure and i started tiny seed i'm pretty sure and i was just saying like was just saying like was just saying like indie.bc was around and then indie.bc was around and then indie.bc was around and then revenue-based financing started revenue-based financing started revenue-based financing started happening happening happening you know with the sas capitals and the you know with the sas capitals and the you know with the sas capitals and the lighter capitals and lighter capitals and lighter capitals and it just made sense that more people who it just made sense that more people who it just made sense that more people who maybe wouldn't have want to go venture maybe wouldn't have want to go venture maybe wouldn't have want to go venture track track track five years ago would potentially want to five years ago would potentially want to five years ago would potentially want to do the kind of the do the kind of the do the kind of the i'll say fun strapping route or just you i'll say fun strapping route or just you i'll say fun strapping route or just you know to raise one small round to go to know to raise one small round to go to know to raise one small round to go to profitability profitability profitability or do revenue-based financing or just do or do revenue-based financing or just do or do revenue-based financing or just do the non-venture track really any of the non-venture track really any of the non-venture track really any of those options there's all it's not those options there's all it's not those options there's all it's not binary anymore bootstrap versus venture binary anymore bootstrap versus venture binary anymore bootstrap versus venture it's it's it's i can bootstrap i can do one round i can i can bootstrap i can do one round i can i can bootstrap i can do one round i can take money from chinese take money from chinese take money from chinese i can take money from indivc i can do i can take money from indivc i can do i can take money from indivc i can do revenue-based financing if i get to the revenue-based financing if i get to the revenue-based financing if i get to the point where that makes sense or i can point where that makes sense or i can point where that makes sense or i can take venture you know it's like this take venture you know it's like this take venture you know it's like this whole buffet whole buffet whole buffet of options and so i what it feels to me of options and so i what it feels to me of options and so i what it feels to me it hasn't happened with everyone but it hasn't happened with everyone but it hasn't happened with everyone but there is a destigmatization of funding there is a destigmatization of funding there is a destigmatization of funding whereas funding used to come with a lot whereas funding used to come with a lot whereas funding used to come with a lot of strings attached loss of control of strings attached loss of control of strings attached loss of control can't sell my company i got kicked out can't sell my company i got kicked out can't sell my company i got kicked out as a ceo i have to put up with these as a ceo i have to put up with these as a ceo i have to put up with these venture capitalists breathing down my venture capitalists breathing down my venture capitalists breathing down my neck and this board and blah blah blah

neck and this board and blah blah blah neck and this board and blah blah blah and it's like and it's like and it's like all those things poof you know if you all those things poof you know if you all those things poof you know if you want to take funding want to take funding want to take funding under from from certain people under under from from certain people under under from from certain people under certain circumstances none of that certain circumstances none of that certain circumstances none of that exists exists exists uh anymore and it there are different uh anymore and it there are different uh anymore and it there are different constraints but constraints but constraints but the optionality that founders have the optionality that founders have the optionality that founders have especially you know especially you know especially you know bootstrap sas founders have these days bootstrap sas founders have these days bootstrap sas founders have these days are tremendous so i think that are tremendous so i think that are tremendous so i think that the 2021 basically continues that the 2021 basically continues that the 2021 basically continues that destigmatization process destigmatization process destigmatization process uh i i would agree with that it's a good uh i i would agree with that it's a good uh i i would agree with that it's a good prediction i think prediction i think prediction i think my fourth prediction uh has has to do my fourth prediction uh has has to do my fourth prediction uh has has to do with movies with movies with movies and uh specifically i think that the uh and uh specifically i think that the uh and uh specifically i think that the uh the marvel cinematic universe the marvel cinematic universe the marvel cinematic universe is going to uh the following is going to is going to uh the following is going to is going to uh the following is going to somewhat fall off a cliff somewhat fall off a cliff somewhat fall off a cliff um it i think it'll be subtle at first um it i think it'll be subtle at first um it i think it'll be subtle at first and then people are just going to be and then people are just going to be and then people are just going to be like yeah i'm not into this like yeah i'm not into this like yeah i'm not into this and i and i think the reason and i and i think the reason and i and i think the reason specifically for that is that they're specifically for that is that they're specifically for that is that they're getting into the territory of going uh getting into the territory of going uh getting into the territory of going uh and pulling out some of their and pulling out some of their and pulling out some of their i'll say second-tier characters to draw i'll say second-tier characters to draw i'll say second-tier characters to draw them to the forefront which i agree with them to the forefront which i agree with them to the forefront which i agree with that is a general strategy that is a general strategy that is a general strategy and thing that they should do because and thing that they should do because and thing that they should do because there's lots of characters that are there's lots of characters that are there's lots of characters that are probably less popular probably less popular probably less popular but because they're less popular and but because they're less popular and but because they're less popular and people haven't heard of them i think people haven't heard of them i think people haven't heard of them i think that there's going to be a lot less that there's going to be a lot less that there's going to be a lot less interest in those so like iron man is an interest in those so like iron man is an interest in those so like iron man is an obvious draw obvious draw obvious draw but you know there's a lot of these but you know there's a lot of these but you know there's a lot of these other characters that they're pulling other characters that they're pulling other characters that they're pulling out like you know doctor strange where out like you know doctor strange where out like you know doctor strange where some people like some people like some people like i don't even really know who that is i don't even really know who that is i don't even really know who that is i've never heard of that person before i've never heard of that person before i've never heard of that person before even if they're like peripherally even if they're like peripherally even if they're like peripherally involved or knowledgeable of involved or knowledgeable of involved or knowledgeable of about comic books and things like that i about comic books and things like that i about comic books and things like that i just think that a lot of those just think that a lot of those just think that a lot of those characters are not going to be nearly as characters are not going to be nearly as characters are not going to be nearly as big a draw and it could result in them

big a draw and it could result in them big a draw and it could result in them scaling back what they're going to be scaling back what they're going to be scaling back what they're going to be doing in the in the future doing in the in the future doing in the in the future and um i'm a little i won't say concern and um i'm a little i won't say concern and um i'm a little i won't say concern but i do think that what they're going but i do think that what they're going but i do think that what they're going to find is that that to find is that that to find is that that following is you know it ramped up for following is you know it ramped up for following is you know it ramped up for the longest time until the longest time until the longest time until you know the last couple of avengers you know the last couple of avengers you know the last couple of avengers movies and then i think it's going to movies and then i think it's going to movies and then i think it's going to fall off a cliff and they're fall off a cliff and they're fall off a cliff and they're not going to quite know what to do with not going to quite know what to do with not going to quite know what to do with it um it's very similar to like it um it's very similar to like it um it's very similar to like they released the new uh star wars solo they released the new uh star wars solo they released the new uh star wars solo movie and then movie and then movie and then it didn't do as well as they had hoped it didn't do as well as they had hoped it didn't do as well as they had hoped it would or thought it would it would or thought it would it would or thought it would and then they're gonna they're gonna and then they're gonna they're gonna and then they're gonna they're gonna pull back on the reins pull back on the reins pull back on the reins that's a bold prediction and i mean i that's a bold prediction and i mean i that's a bold prediction and i mean i hope that doesn't happen because i hope hope that doesn't happen because i hope hope that doesn't happen because i hope it doesn't either it doesn't either it doesn't either yeah but it is a prediction see that's yeah but it is a prediction see that's yeah but it is a prediction see that's the thing though man yeah so like one the thing though man yeah so like one the thing though man yeah so like one example is moon knight example is moon knight example is moon knight right it's like anyone who didn't read right it's like anyone who didn't read right it's like anyone who didn't read comics like moon knight who's that but comics like moon knight who's that but comics like moon knight who's that but he's he's he's you know slated for i don't know a movie you know slated for i don't know a movie you know slated for i don't know a movie or a show or something coming up or a show or something coming up or a show or something coming up and when they did i remember when they and when they did i remember when they and when they did i remember when they did iron man and captain america did iron man and captain america did iron man and captain america i mean iron man always had a comic but i mean iron man always had a comic but i mean iron man always had a comic but he was like a he was like a he was like a second tier he really was not a prominent he really was not a prominent i mean he was fine but he was not that i mean he was fine but he was not that i mean he was fine but he was not that prominent the way he is today where it's prominent the way he is today where it's prominent the way he is today where it's like no iron man is like one of the like no iron man is like one of the like no iron man is like one of the leaders of the avengers leaders of the avengers leaders of the avengers and i mean even captain america i and i mean even captain america i and i mean even captain america i remember i was like this movie's gonna remember i was like this movie's gonna remember i was like this movie's gonna be terrible be terrible be terrible and then i saw it i was like i cannot and then i saw it i was like i cannot and then i saw it i was like i cannot believe how good that movie was like i believe how good that movie was like i believe how good that movie was like i can't believe that they made such an can't believe that they made such an can't believe that they made such an amazing compelling story amazing compelling story amazing compelling story from that character so i hear you i from that character so i hear you i from that character so i hear you i i appreciate the boldness of your i appreciate the boldness of your i appreciate the boldness of your prediction i hope it uh hope it doesn't prediction i hope it uh hope it doesn't prediction i hope it uh hope it doesn't come true and i will do wonder if come true and i will do wonder if come true and i will do wonder if they'll

they'll they'll i know they're already doing several i know they're already doing several i know they're already doing several marvel tv shows in essence or you know marvel tv shows in essence or you know marvel tv shows in essence or you know streaming shows on on disney plus and streaming shows on on disney plus and streaming shows on on disney plus and that's basically what star wars has gone that's basically what star wars has gone that's basically what star wars has gone through you know if you through you know if you through you know if you heard they did 10 star wars heard they did 10 star wars heard they did 10 star wars announcements a couple days ago announcements a couple days ago announcements a couple days ago or was last week i guess and i believe or was last week i guess and i believe or was last week i guess and i believe seven or eight of them are essentially seven or eight of them are essentially seven or eight of them are essentially streaming you know like eight episodes streaming you know like eight episodes streaming you know like eight episodes seasons of streaming shows and only two seasons of streaming shows and only two seasons of streaming shows and only two of them are films of them are films of them are films which is fascinating i don't i i think which is fascinating i don't i i think which is fascinating i don't i i think it's fascinating but it's also it's fascinating but it's also it's fascinating but it's also them hedging their bets in such a way them hedging their bets in such a way them hedging their bets in such a way where they're not betting where they're not betting where they're not betting everything on this massive um you know everything on this massive um you know everything on this massive um you know like movie offering and they're spending like movie offering and they're spending like movie offering and they're spending you know hundreds of millions of dollars you know hundreds of millions of dollars you know hundreds of millions of dollars and they may ultimately spend hundreds and they may ultimately spend hundreds and they may ultimately spend hundreds of millions of dollars of millions of dollars of millions of dollars on a particular uh storyline on a particular uh storyline on a particular uh storyline but by doing it through you know their but by doing it through you know their but by doing it through you know their disney plus disney plus disney plus platform and that's the thing is like platform and that's the thing is like platform and that's the thing is like they've got all these different channels they've got all these different channels they've got all these different channels and ways to distribute it and ways to distribute it and ways to distribute it where they can put it as a tv show it where they can put it as a tv show it where they can put it as a tv show it it's less effort less money less it's less effort less money less it's less effort less money less production costs all these other things production costs all these other things production costs all these other things that go into it that go into it that go into it and then they can essentially gauge the and then they can essentially gauge the and then they can essentially gauge the margin market but also build interest margin market but also build interest margin market but also build interest in that storyline and when it gets to a in that storyline and when it gets to a in that storyline and when it gets to a certain point certain point certain point and they can say oh well this justifies and they can say oh well this justifies and they can say oh well this justifies having an actual movie and now we've having an actual movie and now we've having an actual movie and now we've we've we've we've amassed the interest as opposed to they amassed the interest as opposed to they amassed the interest as opposed to they come out with a new storyline or a new come out with a new storyline or a new come out with a new storyline or a new movie for this character nobody's ever movie for this character nobody's ever movie for this character nobody's ever heard of and it's just like heard of and it's just like heard of and it's just like it'll be like john carter you know like it'll be like john carter you know like it'll be like john carter you know like oh wait a second what oh wait a second what oh wait a second what who's john carter what are you talking who's john carter what are you talking who's john carter what are you talking about and unless you've ever read those about and unless you've ever read those about and unless you've ever read those books you would have no idea and it's books you would have no idea and it's books you would have no idea and it's not an not an not an not an interesting story

yep i hear you there sir yep i hear you there sir all right oh boy we have um all right oh boy we have um all right oh boy we have um comments sorry xander slacking them to comments sorry xander slacking them to comments sorry xander slacking them to me let's see me let's see me let's see okay so leanna patch says oh my gosh okay so leanna patch says oh my gosh okay so leanna patch says oh my gosh y'all have been chatting here this whole y'all have been chatting here this whole y'all have been chatting here this whole time time time um surya banerjee says um surya banerjee says um surya banerjee says next year ar is going to mature more next year ar is going to mature more next year ar is going to mature more into consumer tech into consumer tech into consumer tech maybe another step towards making it maybe another step towards making it maybe another step towards making it mainstream who knows and will johnson mainstream who knows and will johnson mainstream who knows and will johnson says i thought robert doughnut junior as says i thought robert doughnut junior as says i thought robert doughnut junior as a superhero was going to fail badly a superhero was going to fail badly a superhero was going to fail badly i have to admit i do and he did a i have to admit i do and he did a i have to admit i do and he did a fantastic job like fantastic job like fantastic job like i'm so impressed we talked about this on i'm so impressed we talked about this on i'm so impressed we talked about this on a after show one time just how impressed a after show one time just how impressed a after show one time just how impressed we were that they pulled off this we were that they pulled off this we were that they pulled off this 22-story arc 22-story arc 22-story arc and the and then you know the uh and the and then you know the uh and the and then you know the uh infinity war infinity war infinity war the two films were like blew my mind and the two films were like blew my mind and the two films were like blew my mind and i have pretty high standards for this i have pretty high standards for this i have pretty high standards for this kind of stuff kind of stuff kind of stuff speaking of that and we'll get back to speaking of that and we'll get back to speaking of that and we'll get back to startups in a second how are you startups in a second how are you startups in a second how are you watching the mandalorian watching the mandalorian watching the mandalorian yeah oh you like it yeah it's good so yeah oh you like it yeah it's good so yeah oh you like it yeah it's good so far far far i think it's really good i'm stoked on i think it's really good i'm stoked on i think it's really good i'm stoked on it all right it all right it all right my next prediction fourth prediction is my next prediction fourth prediction is my next prediction fourth prediction is that vr that vr that vr will become mainstream will become mainstream will become mainstream in you just ripped that off from one of in you just ripped that off from one of in you just ripped that off from one of the listeners the listeners the listeners i got an oculus quest 2 i got an oculus quest 2 i got an oculus quest 2 about three weeks ago and it is about three weeks ago and it is about three weeks ago and it is a consumer level it's about a 300 a consumer level it's about a 300 a consumer level it's about a 300 headset headset headset you don't need a computer to run it so you don't need a computer to run it so you don't need a computer to run it so it just connects to your wi-fi it just connects to your wi-fi it just connects to your wi-fi and then you get on your your mobile and then you get on your your mobile and then you get on your your mobile phone or your ipad phone or your ipad phone or your ipad and you can buy uploads them and you can buy uploads them and you can buy uploads them straight to the device it is amazing the straight to the device it is amazing the straight to the device it is amazing the kids love it

kids love it kids love it it's 300 and it's just it like it's 300 and it's just it like it's 300 and it's just it like just works you just plug it in and it just works you just plug it in and it just works you just plug it in and it works you know i mean you don't have to works you know i mean you don't have to works you know i mean you don't have to plug it in it's completely wireless and plug it in it's completely wireless and plug it in it's completely wireless and it's it's it's i i it's such a leap and a bound from oh i i it's such a leap and a bound from oh i i it's such a leap and a bound from oh i need to go out and get a windows pc i need to go out and get a windows pc i need to go out and get a windows pc with you know that's all beefy and plug with you know that's all beefy and plug with you know that's all beefy and plug you know two thousand dollar pc the game and in fact i mean frankly we the game and in fact i mean frankly we bought one about a month ago bought one about a month ago bought one about a month ago and within two weeks cherry's like oh i and within two weeks cherry's like oh i and within two weeks cherry's like oh i think we should have two think we should have two think we should have two because you can do a bunch of because you can do a bunch of because you can do a bunch of cooperative games with them and stuff cooperative games with them and stuff cooperative games with them and stuff and i can easily see us just picking one and i can easily see us just picking one and i can easily see us just picking one up every quarter next year to up every quarter next year to up every quarter next year to because a lot of the co-op games go up because a lot of the co-op games go up because a lot of the co-op games go up to four people and i'm to four people and i'm to four people and i'm not saying oculus it's i mean it's the not saying oculus it's i mean it's the not saying oculus it's i mean it's the only one i've owned right so i'm not only one i've owned right so i'm not only one i've owned right so i'm not comparing it to other things i'm just comparing it to other things i'm just comparing it to other things i'm just saying saying saying if they can build a headset this good if they can build a headset this good if they can build a headset this good for 300 and and sell it for 300 for 300 and and sell it for 300 for 300 and and sell it for 300 where are we headed next you know where where are we headed next you know where where are we headed next you know where is the the 199 the 99 is the the 199 the 99 is the the 199 the 99 headset and i i just think this stuff's headset and i i just think this stuff's headset and i i just think this stuff's gonna start and the experience of it is gonna start and the experience of it is gonna start and the experience of it is amazing like it truly is amazing like it truly is amazing like it truly is game changing certainly if you've never game changing certainly if you've never game changing certainly if you've never done vr it's a trip done vr it's a trip done vr it's a trip and even if you have done it like to sit and even if you have done it like to sit and even if you have done it like to sit and be able to play it for 60 90 minutes and be able to play it for 60 90 minutes and be able to play it for 60 90 minutes and and and go into vr worlds is uh it's like we've go into vr worlds is uh it's like we've go into vr worlds is uh it's like we've seen in the movies for 30 or 40 years seen in the movies for 30 or 40 years seen in the movies for 30 or 40 years but i think 2021 is the year but i think 2021 is the year but i think 2021 is the year uh two unrelated tube related anecdotes uh two unrelated tube related anecdotes uh two unrelated tube related anecdotes ones i remember seeing a vr headset from ones i remember seeing a vr headset from ones i remember seeing a vr headset from like like like 20 years ago it had this like little 20 years ago it had this like little 20 years ago it had this like little hockey puck thing that you had to hold hockey puck thing that you had to hold hockey puck thing that you had to hold and and and you could move your head up and you you could move your head up and you you could move your head up and you could see everything it was like this could see everything it was like this could see everything it was like this little lcd screens in front of you but little lcd screens in front of you but little lcd screens in front of you but this was back this was back this was back i mean it was literally 1996 something

i mean it was literally 1996 something i mean it was literally 1996 something like that it was ridiculously early like that it was ridiculously early like that it was ridiculously early so nearly not nearly as good as what so nearly not nearly as good as what so nearly not nearly as good as what they have today but they have today but they have today but um the other somewhat related anecdotes um the other somewhat related anecdotes um the other somewhat related anecdotes when i was a kid when i was a kid when i was a kid um i had actually wanted to be a science um i had actually wanted to be a science um i had actually wanted to be a science fiction writer fiction writer fiction writer and one of the ideas that i'd come up and one of the ideas that i'd come up and one of the ideas that i'd come up with for a story line was in the future with for a story line was in the future with for a story line was in the future there's a there's a future where there's a there's a future where there's a there's a future where people are not fighting wars anymore people are not fighting wars anymore people are not fighting wars anymore they're basically fighting they're basically fighting they're basically fighting with these uh virtual reality simulators with these uh virtual reality simulators with these uh virtual reality simulators where they're like almost in like this where they're like almost in like this where they're like almost in like this giant robot or something like that and giant robot or something like that and giant robot or something like that and they're battling each other for control they're battling each other for control they're battling each other for control of different territories of different territories of different territories but they are augmented in such a way but they are augmented in such a way but they are augmented in such a way that it becomes that it becomes that it becomes real so when you shoot at somebody it's real so when you shoot at somebody it's real so when you shoot at somebody it's not just a laser blast like there are not just a laser blast like there are not just a laser blast like there are physical physical physical sensors and stuff built into the suits sensors and stuff built into the suits sensors and stuff built into the suits and stuff that the people had to wear and stuff that the people had to wear and stuff that the people had to wear um and you could literally take physical um and you could literally take physical um and you could literally take physical damage from somebody shooting you inside damage from somebody shooting you inside damage from somebody shooting you inside of the of the of the you know quote-unquote simulation um and you know quote-unquote simulation um and you know quote-unquote simulation um and then there's like back stories where then there's like back stories where then there's like back stories where like people uh do nefarious things and like people uh do nefarious things and like people uh do nefarious things and sabotage other people's suits and stuff sabotage other people's suits and stuff sabotage other people's suits and stuff like that like that like that so i never really you know fully so i never really you know fully so i never really you know fully published anything or came out with it published anything or came out with it published anything or came out with it but that was the but that was the but that was the idea i had a long time ago i like that idea i had a long time ago i like that idea i had a long time ago i like that i like that kind of stuff all right so i like that kind of stuff all right so i like that kind of stuff all right so i think oh that was a vr oculus so we're i think oh that was a vr oculus so we're i think oh that was a vr oculus so we're on to your on to your on to your fifth and final prediction for 2021 all fifth and final prediction for 2021 all fifth and final prediction for 2021 all before we do that it looks like we had a before we do that it looks like we had a before we do that it looks like we had a little more in the chat little more in the chat little more in the chat ken wallace said my mandalorian ken wallace said my mandalorian ken wallace said my mandalorian prediction prediction prediction grogu goes to the dark side that's so grogu goes to the dark side that's so grogu goes to the dark side that's so grogu grogu grogu is oh is this a spoiler am i spoiling my is oh is this a spoiler am i spoiling my is oh is this a spoiler am i spoiling my aim of a character on a show i'll just aim of a character on a show i'll just aim of a character on a show i'll just leave it at that leave it at that leave it at that rope goes to the dark side but comes

rope goes to the dark side but comes rope goes to the dark side but comes back after destroying the dark saber back after destroying the dark saber back after destroying the dark saber zander's note i still refuse to call him zander's note i still refuse to call him zander's note i still refuse to call him by his name by his name by his name which all right we have a prediction which all right we have a prediction which all right we have a prediction from sally kagnesderia he says from sally kagnesderia he says from sally kagnesderia he says next js graphql and tailwind css will next js graphql and tailwind css will next js graphql and tailwind css will become become become extremely popular i think that's already extremely popular i think that's already extremely popular i think that's already happened hasn't it happened hasn't it happened hasn't it they all seem super popular to me i keep they all seem super popular to me i keep they all seem super popular to me i keep hearing about them but i guess it hearing about them but i guess it hearing about them but i guess it depends on what we mean by depends on what we mean by depends on what we mean by super popular if they get websites we super popular if they get websites we super popular if they get websites we know they're going to hold know they're going to hold know they're going to hold right right cool right right cool right right cool dive in your fifth and final yeah so my dive in your fifth and final yeah so my dive in your fifth and final yeah so my fifth and final uh prediction here is fifth and final uh prediction here is fifth and final uh prediction here is that we will that we will that we will discover definitive proof of discover definitive proof of discover definitive proof of extraterrestrial life extraterrestrial life extraterrestrial life i don't know what exact form that's i don't know what exact form that's i don't know what exact form that's going to take whether it's going to be going to take whether it's going to be going to take whether it's going to be mars or mars or mars or some comet or you know an asteroid going some comet or you know an asteroid going some comet or you know an asteroid going by but by but by but um that's the the prediction here um that's the the prediction here um that's the the prediction here and i think that there's a lot of and i think that there's a lot of and i think that there's a lot of scientific discovery going on right now scientific discovery going on right now scientific discovery going on right now where people are trying to uh pull back where people are trying to uh pull back where people are trying to uh pull back that information from outer space i that information from outer space i that information from outer space i think they've think they've think they've even recently sent um a uh even recently sent um a uh even recently sent um a uh they got a response or they sent a they got a response or they sent a they got a response or they sent a rocket out to an asteroid that was going rocket out to an asteroid that was going rocket out to an asteroid that was going by uh the by uh the by uh the planet earth and uh brought some of the planet earth and uh brought some of the planet earth and uh brought some of the materials back it took like materials back it took like materials back it took like three or four years or something like three or four years or something like three or four years or something like that to get it um i don't know if that to get it um i don't know if that to get it um i don't know if they've analyzed it yet or not they've analyzed it yet or not they've analyzed it yet or not um but they do have other ongoing things um but they do have other ongoing things um but they do have other ongoing things going on and i think we're gonna get going on and i think we're gonna get going on and i think we're gonna get something now does that mean that we're something now does that mean that we're something now does that mean that we're going to see like you know proof of going to see like you know proof of going to see like you know proof of little green men little green men little green men no that's not necessarily the case it no that's not necessarily the case it no that's not necessarily the case it could very well just be like

could very well just be like could very well just be like single-celled things but single-celled things but single-celled things but the idea there is that it's not just you the idea there is that it's not just you the idea there is that it's not just you know particles from know particles from know particles from earth that ended up on you know in outer earth that ended up on you know in outer earth that ended up on you know in outer space because they were space because they were space because they were you know on a rocket or something like you know on a rocket or something like you know on a rocket or something like that or spacecraft and then we find them that or spacecraft and then we find them that or spacecraft and then we find them elsewhere it's that elsewhere it's that elsewhere it's that you know they are actually you know they are actually you know they are actually extraterrestrial in origin um so off of extraterrestrial in origin um so off of extraterrestrial in origin um so off of any any any anywhere whether it's mars or the moon anywhere whether it's mars or the moon anywhere whether it's mars or the moon something like that something like that something like that that is a bold prediction sir mm-hmm that is a bold prediction sir mm-hmm that is a bold prediction sir mm-hmm i like it i figured i did i had to go i like it i figured i did i had to go i like it i figured i did i had to go with one that was like kind of off the with one that was like kind of off the with one that was like kind of off the wall i felt like wall i felt like wall i felt like you know if you're gonna do predictions you know if you're gonna do predictions you know if you're gonna do predictions you may as well go all in at some point you may as well go all in at some point you may as well go all in at some point that's you cause babe ruth calling his that's you cause babe ruth calling his that's you cause babe ruth calling his shot right my fifth and final prediction is that in my fifth and final prediction is that in terms of terms of terms of of the world and covid we will of the world and covid we will of the world and covid we will everyone's predicting everyone's predicting everyone's predicting oh it's like middle of the year and then oh it's like middle of the year and then oh it's like middle of the year and then not to the end of the year and some i've not to the end of the year and some i've not to the end of the year and some i've heard people say like it's gonna be five heard people say like it's gonna be five heard people say like it's gonna be five years like till everyone feels back to years like till everyone feels back to years like till everyone feels back to normal or end of 2022 until normal or end of 2022 until normal or end of 2022 until things are back and i think we're going things are back and i think we're going things are back and i think we're going to get back to normal a lot faster than to get back to normal a lot faster than to get back to normal a lot faster than we think at least within our home we think at least within our home we think at least within our home countries i know traveling countries i know traveling countries i know traveling internationally is going to be different internationally is going to be different internationally is going to be different because because because different countries are handling things different countries are handling things different countries are handling things but as vaccines roll out as we get hurt but as vaccines roll out as we get hurt but as vaccines roll out as we get hurt immunity i think immunity i think immunity i think um it's gonna i think it's going to um it's gonna i think it's going to um it's gonna i think it's going to that the cases are gonna drop faster and that the cases are gonna drop faster and that the cases are gonna drop faster and i also think people's i also think people's i also think people's comfort level and a lot of people's comfort level and a lot of people's comfort level and a lot of people's desire just to not be cooped up and to desire just to not be cooped up and to desire just to not be cooped up and to go go go out and go to in-person events or go to out and go to in-person events or go to out and go to in-person events or go to movies or go to concerts movies or go to concerts movies or go to concerts the desire to to go to those things um the desire to to go to those things um the desire to to go to those things um is is there and it's pent up there's is is there and it's pent up there's is is there and it's pent up there's pent up demand now and i think the pent up demand now and i think the pent up demand now and i think the moment i know

moment i know moment i know several people the moment they get you several people the moment they get you several people the moment they get you know cleared when they have that second know cleared when they have that second know cleared when they have that second vaccination like vaccination like vaccination like they want to go and do all the things they want to go and do all the things they want to go and do all the things and i'm probably one of them i'm not and i'm probably one of them i'm not and i'm probably one of them i'm not even i'm not an extrovert and yet even i'm not an extrovert and yet even i'm not an extrovert and yet i want to go work at coffee shops again i want to go work at coffee shops again i want to go work at coffee shops again you know and i want to you know and i want to you know and i want to i mean we went out to restaurants during i mean we went out to restaurants during i mean we went out to restaurants during the you know minnesota opened up for a the you know minnesota opened up for a the you know minnesota opened up for a while while while and we're back closed again but we were and we're back closed again but we were and we're back closed again but we were doing those things but i still really doing those things but i still really doing those things but i still really miss miss miss just being able to to get out so just being able to to get out so just being able to to get out so i think i think it's going to happen i think i think it's going to happen i think i think it's going to happen fast i'm a uh eternal optimist on this fast i'm a uh eternal optimist on this fast i'm a uh eternal optimist on this front actually front actually front actually i i think you're doing a lot of i i think you're doing a lot of i i think you're doing a lot of projection there because projection there because projection there because i'm on the other side of the spectrum i i'm on the other side of the spectrum i i'm on the other side of the spectrum i almost got a t-shirt almost got a t-shirt almost got a t-shirt that literally said when this is over i that literally said when this is over i that literally said when this is over i still don't want to see some of you still don't want to see some of you still don't want to see some of you or most of you yeah i like that one or most of you yeah i like that one or most of you yeah i like that one and i had that 20 20 00 out of 10 would and i had that 20 20 00 out of 10 would and i had that 20 20 00 out of 10 would not recommend not recommend not recommend uh with the zero stars uh with the zero stars uh with the zero stars yup i got the 20 20 dumpster fire yup i got the 20 20 dumpster fire yup i got the 20 20 dumpster fire t-shirt so t-shirt so t-shirt so yeah yeah well man yeah yeah well man yeah yeah well man those are permissions and we get to those are permissions and we get to those are permissions and we get to revisit those in just about a year and see if any of us gets above like and see if any of us gets above like three four yeah three four yeah three four yeah yeah you could get more than one three yeah you could get more than one three yeah you could get more than one three that's probably the goal for next time that's probably the goal for next time that's probably the goal for next time i think xander may have sent me another i think xander may have sent me another i think xander may have sent me another message message message oh yeah i mean i had other predict that oh yeah i mean i had other predict that oh yeah i mean i had other predict that this year would be the year of antitrust this year would be the year of antitrust this year would be the year of antitrust um it was but it's um it was but it's um it was but it's it's kind of already happened and so it's kind of already happened and so it's kind of already happened and so it's already in motion it's already in motion it's already in motion so i just think that will continue to be

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