How This 10X SaaS Developer Decides What NOT To Build

as you build your SAS it's easy to get as you build your SAS it's easy to get lost in a mountain of feature requests lost in a mountain of feature requests lost in a mountain of feature requests not knowing which ones you should focus not knowing which ones you should focus not knowing which ones you should focus on deciding what to build next and which on deciding what to build next and which on deciding what to build next and which ideas you should not build is actually ideas you should not build is actually ideas you should not build is actually really hard so in this video I sat down really hard so in this video I sat down really hard so in this video I sat down with Derek ryr one of the best product with Derek ryr one of the best product with Derek ryr one of the best product people I've ever worked with to chat people I've ever worked with to chat people I've ever worked with to chat about how he decides which features to about how he decides which features to about how he decides which features to build next we talk about real examples build next we talk about real examples build next we talk about real examples from the business he's building right from the business he's building right from the business he's building right now called Savvy Cal it's the best now called Savvy Cal it's the best now called Savvy Cal it's the best calendar scheduling app I've ever used calendar scheduling app I've ever used calendar scheduling app I've ever used later in the video we talk about later in the video we talk about later in the video we talk about specific features he decided not to specific features he decided not to specific features he decided not to build even though on the surface it build even though on the surface it build even though on the surface it seemed like a good opportunity and if seemed like a good opportunity and if seemed like a good opportunity and if you stick around to the end Derrick and you stick around to the end Derrick and you stick around to the end Derrick and I chat about why building everything I chat about why building everything I chat about why building everything your customers ask for might be a recipe your customers ask for might be a recipe your customers ask for might be a recipe for disaster let's dive in what recent for disaster let's dive in what recent for disaster let's dive in what recent feature did you ship that you you know feature did you ship that you you know feature did you ship that you you know feel like was the right decision and feel like was the right decision and feel like was the right decision and what was the logic behind deciding to do what was the logic behind deciding to do what was the logic behind deciding to do that whether it was tons of customer re that whether it was tons of customer re that whether it was tons of customer re crests or whether you just knew in your crests or whether you just knew in your crests or whether you just knew in your founder gut or whether it was a compe founder gut or whether it was a compe founder gut or whether it was a compe you know there's a bunch of reasons why you know there's a bunch of reasons why you know there's a bunch of reasons why you would do it and then let's touch on you would do it and then let's touch on you would do it and then let's touch on like one feature or more frankly that like one feature or more frankly that like one feature or more frankly that you haven't built probably aren't going you haven't built probably aren't going you haven't built probably aren't going to build and why one of my favorite ones to build and why one of my favorite ones to build and why one of my favorite ones that we shipped this summer I think it that we shipped this summer I think it that we shipped this summer I think it was about a month ago um is this feature was about a month ago um is this feature was about a month ago um is this feature it's it's kind of a simple one but it it's it's kind of a simple one but it it's it's kind of a simple one but it had been on my radar for a little while had been on my radar for a little while had been on my radar for a little while and it's sort of just in in reviewing my and it's sort of just in in reviewing my and it's sort of just in in reviewing my backlog and I like to keep a backlog of backlog and I like to keep a backlog of backlog and I like to keep a backlog of things just ideas anytime someone things just ideas anytime someone things just ideas anytime someone requests something I usually log it in requests something I usually log it in requests something I usually log it in there and then sort of store up you know there and then sort of store up you know there and then sort of store up you know anytime someone mentions it in a help anytime someone mentions it in a help anytime someone mentions it in a help Scout conversation I drop a link to it Scout conversation I drop a link to it Scout conversation I drop a link to it just as kind of a a knowledge Repository just as kind of a a knowledge Repository just as kind of a a knowledge Repository and this one had been floating around and this one had been floating around and this one had been floating around and resurfacing for a while um it's

and resurfacing for a while um it's and resurfacing for a while um it's basically a little feature that allows basically a little feature that allows basically a little feature that allows you to toggle on a a setting to require you to toggle on a a setting to require you to toggle on a a setting to require approval for new bookings before they approval for new bookings before they approval for new bookings before they make it onto your calendar so um you make it onto your calendar so um you make it onto your calendar so um you know think like if you're if you're know think like if you're if you're know think like if you're if you're really busy and say you've um you're really busy and say you've um you're really busy and say you've um you're just a busy person in general and you just a busy person in general and you just a busy person in general and you have one reusable link that is just out have one reusable link that is just out have one reusable link that is just out in the wild people use it all the time in the wild people use it all the time in the wild people use it all the time we often have kind of our one multi-use we often have kind of our one multi-use we often have kind of our one multi-use link that maybe we store in our text link that maybe we store in our text link that maybe we store in our text expansion or whatever and it's just the expansion or whatever and it's just the expansion or whatever and it's just the one that gets shared around usually like one that gets shared around usually like one that gets shared around usually like SL chat after your name right and so a SL chat after your name right and so a SL chat after your name right and so a lot of times people who are who are in lot of times people who are who are in lot of times people who are who are in really high demand uh we'll just see really high demand uh we'll just see really high demand uh we'll just see people using their link and grabbing people using their link and grabbing people using their link and grabbing time on their calendar and so there's time on their calendar and so there's time on their calendar and so there's something very um visceral with people something very um visceral with people something very um visceral with people who feel this pain it's like this is who feel this pain it's like this is who feel this pain it's like this is really a major problem and so they really a major problem and so they really a major problem and so they either resort to like not having a either resort to like not having a either resort to like not having a multi-use link or using an unguessable multi-use link or using an unguessable multi-use link or using an unguessable URL or just other solutions that just URL or just other solutions that just URL or just other solutions that just don't don't quite feel right and feel don't don't quite feel right and feel don't don't quite feel right and feel like we could be doing something on the like we could be doing something on the like we could be doing something on the product side to to alleviate this this product side to to alleviate this this product side to to alleviate this this also happened to be like one of the also happened to be like one of the also happened to be like one of the favorite features from uh scheduling favorite features from uh scheduling favorite features from uh scheduling tool called x. that was acquired and tool called x. that was acquired and tool called x. that was acquired and then shut down uh last year um so I hear then shut down uh last year um so I hear then shut down uh last year um so I hear you know anyone who comes over from x. a you know anyone who comes over from x. a you know anyone who comes over from x. a is likely to request this one right so is likely to request this one right so is likely to request this one right so it's been it's been coming up over and it's been it's been coming up over and it's been it's been coming up over and over but again it's just one of those over but again it's just one of those over but again it's just one of those decisions like even though it's just a decisions like even though it's just a decisions like even though it's just a toggle in the UI and just a just a toggle in the UI and just a just a toggle in the UI and just a just a slight modification to the booking flow slight modification to the booking flow slight modification to the booking flow it's still not a foregone conclusion it's still not a foregone conclusion it's still not a foregone conclusion that we're going to build it um but the that we're going to build it um but the that we're going to build it um but the things that really tipped me over the things that really tipped me over the things that really tipped me over the edge on it were were one just strong

edge on it were were one just strong edge on it were were one just strong strong visceral demand from a group of strong visceral demand from a group of strong visceral demand from a group of people who are really passionate and people who are really passionate and people who are really passionate and like I would say scheduling power users like I would say scheduling power users like I would say scheduling power users you know and we have gradually become a you know and we have gradually become a you know and we have gradually become a tool that I think a lot of people in tool that I think a lot of people in tool that I think a lot of people in their minds think of it as sort of a a their minds think of it as sort of a a their minds think of it as sort of a a scheduling power tool like um you know scheduling power tool like um you know scheduling power tool like um you know obviously when you're when you're young obviously when you're when you're young obviously when you're when you're young you're you're behind the competition in you're you're behind the competition in you're you're behind the competition in a lot of different ways so it's hard to a lot of different ways so it's hard to a lot of different ways so it's hard to it's hard to Foster that perception it's hard to Foster that perception it's hard to Foster that perception early on but we've been at it for a few early on but we've been at it for a few early on but we've been at it for a few years now and have mostly caught up on years now and have mostly caught up on years now and have mostly caught up on feature parody and now people actually feature parody and now people actually feature parody and now people actually see us once they get in the product they see us once they get in the product they see us once they get in the product they realize that a lot of our ux is is um an realize that a lot of our ux is is um an realize that a lot of our ux is is um an improvement over the status quo and they improvement over the status quo and they improvement over the status quo and they can they can do more things to guard can they can do more things to guard can they can do more things to guard their time they can use like a ranked their time they can use like a ranked their time they can use like a ranked availability feature and some of these availability feature and some of these availability feature and some of these things that we have that help people who things that we have that help people who things that we have that help people who care a lot about shielding their time um care a lot about shielding their time um care a lot about shielding their time um protect it basically so so this one felt protect it basically so so this one felt protect it basically so so this one felt like it was philosophically aligned with like it was philosophically aligned with like it was philosophically aligned with where our product's going um it doesn't where our product's going um it doesn't where our product's going um it doesn't over complicate the product in in over complicate the product in in over complicate the product in in confusing ways like most of the confusing ways like most of the confusing ways like most of the complexity actually lives under the complexity actually lives under the complexity actually lives under the surface and for the user it's just like surface and for the user it's just like surface and for the user it's just like do you want to enable this or not um and do you want to enable this or not um and do you want to enable this or not um and so yeah it was like Bas combination of so yeah it was like Bas combination of so yeah it was like Bas combination of strong demand differentiation alignment strong demand differentiation alignment strong demand differentiation alignment with kind of the philosophy of what we with kind of the philosophy of what we with kind of the philosophy of what we want Savvy Cal to be and and like I want Savvy Cal to be and and like I want Savvy Cal to be and and like I always think about too is this always think about too is this always think about too is this attracting the right kind of user the attracting the right kind of user the attracting the right kind of user the kind of user that we feel like we're kind of user that we feel like we're kind of user that we feel like we're able to serve well and I think those who able to serve well and I think those who able to serve well and I think those who care about toggling this care about toggling this care about toggling this is an ideal you know user of Savvy Cal is an ideal you know user of Savvy Cal is an ideal you know user of Savvy Cal because of the things we care about yeah

because of the things we care about yeah because of the things we care about yeah I really like that I think that's I really like that I think that's I really like that I think that's something that more founder that I don't something that more founder that I don't something that more founder that I don't think that's intuitive for a lot of think that's intuitive for a lot of think that's intuitive for a lot of people and the fact that you've just people and the fact that you've just people and the fact that you've just called it out I think is a huge a huge called it out I think is a huge a huge called it out I think is a huge a huge deal it's like how many people we use it deal it's like how many people we use it deal it's like how many people we use it and what kind of customer will we use it and what kind of customer will we use it and what kind of customer will we use it yeah there's a certain I think there's a yeah there's a certain I think there's a yeah there's a certain I think there's a certain magnetism that features have and certain magnetism that features have and certain magnetism that features have and they can draw in more of the people that they can draw in more of the people that they can draw in more of the people that early in the sweet spot for we have early in the sweet spot for we have early in the sweet spot for we have built some things built some things built some things um I'm trying to think if I have a um I'm trying to think if I have a um I'm trying to think if I have a specific example I might think of one in specific example I might think of one in specific example I might think of one in a minute but feel like there are some a minute but feel like there are some a minute but feel like there are some features that we build that suddenly features that we build that suddenly features that we build that suddenly start attracting people who aren't a start attracting people who aren't a start attracting people who aren't a super good fit and that's that's always super good fit and that's that's always super good fit and that's that's always just uh it can be a frustrating process just uh it can be a frustrating process just uh it can be a frustrating process for the user because they're all excited for the user because they're all excited for the user because they're all excited and they think they think savy is going and they think they think savy is going and they think they think savy is going to be the tool for them and then realize to be the tool for them and then realize to be the tool for them and then realize that we're missing the mark on a number that we're missing the mark on a number that we're missing the mark on a number of things but they were attracted by of things but they were attracted by of things but they were attracted by this one thing so you just I just want this one thing so you just I just want this one thing so you just I just want to be mindful and careful about um you to be mindful and careful about um you to be mindful and careful about um you know just thinking about that giving know just thinking about that giving know just thinking about that giving some thought to that when when marketing some thought to that when when marketing some thought to that when when marketing features and building them how about on features and building them how about on features and building them how about on the flip side a feature or features that the flip side a feature or features that the flip side a feature or features that for the foreseeable future you know it for the foreseeable future you know it for the foreseeable future you know it is not going to build or every recent is not going to build or every recent is not going to build or every recent thing you decided we're not building and thing you decided we're not building and thing you decided we're not building and and what was the thought process there and what was the thought process there and what was the thought process there yeah so one of the big ones is um SMS yeah so one of the big ones is um SMS yeah so one of the big ones is um SMS notifications um so this one does come notifications um so this one does come notifications um so this one does come up uh it's certainly requested from time up uh it's certainly requested from time up uh it's certainly requested from time to time and it's a feature that a lot of to time and it's a feature that a lot of to time and it's a feature that a lot of other scheduling tools have built into other scheduling tools have built into other scheduling tools have built into them uh think of like classic examples them uh think of like classic examples them uh think of like classic examples in my mind are ones that are like your in my mind are ones that are like your in my mind are ones that are like your you know going to get a haircut or a you know going to get a haircut or a you know going to get a haircut or a dentist deployment or something like dentist deployment or something like dentist deployment or something like they're often sending text messages um they're often sending text messages um they're often sending text messages um to remind you and this is one where I've

to remind you and this is one where I've to remind you and this is one where I've struggled a lot with it trying to struggled a lot with it trying to struggled a lot with it trying to understand you know why people want it understand you know why people want it understand you know why people want it because I personally never want to because I personally never want to because I personally never want to receive a text message from a scheduling receive a text message from a scheduling receive a text message from a scheduling tool and I think I do have even though tool and I think I do have even though tool and I think I do have even though I'm not like a perfect representation of I'm not like a perfect representation of I'm not like a perfect representation of my customers I think you know a lot of my customers I think you know a lot of my customers I think you know a lot of my customers are similar to me and that my customers are similar to me and that my customers are similar to me and that um you know we're using this for kind of um you know we're using this for kind of um you know we're using this for kind of businessto business meeting scheduling businessto business meeting scheduling businessto business meeting scheduling and we're near our calendars a lot and and we're near our calendars a lot and and we're near our calendars a lot and we probably have Google Calendar we probably have Google Calendar we probably have Google Calendar installed on our phone and we'll get installed on our phone and we'll get installed on our phone and we'll get like a you know a little notification like a you know a little notification like a you know a little notification through there so like I don't know just through there so like I don't know just through there so like I don't know just the the the need for it kind of eludes the the the need for it kind of eludes the the the need for it kind of eludes me a little bit and um and then I've me a little bit and um and then I've me a little bit and um and then I've spoken to a number of um folks who have spoken to a number of um folks who have spoken to a number of um folks who have endeavored to do this actually I've was endeavored to do this actually I've was endeavored to do this actually I've was speaking to some former colleagues at speaking to some former colleagues at speaking to some former colleagues at drip um who and they added SMS support drip um who and they added SMS support drip um who and they added SMS support into the product and I got to hear some into the product and I got to hear some into the product and I got to hear some War stories about just how much of a War stories about just how much of a War stories about just how much of a bear that is to uh to maintain and you bear that is to uh to maintain and you bear that is to uh to maintain and you know things like you know you think you know things like you know you think you know things like you know you think you think dealing with uh email spam is bad think dealing with uh email spam is bad think dealing with uh email spam is bad wait until you deal with all the wait until you deal with all the wait until you deal with all the regulations and constraints around regulations and constraints around regulations and constraints around sending text messages on behalf of sending text messages on behalf of sending text messages on behalf of people even though there's tools like people even though there's tools like people even though there's tools like twilio which are amazing and give you a twilio which are amazing and give you a twilio which are amazing and give you a nice API on top of the lower level SMS nice API on top of the lower level SMS nice API on top of the lower level SMS stuff it's still um it doesn't certainly stuff it's still um it doesn't certainly stuff it's still um it doesn't certainly doesn't solve all of the complexity that doesn't solve all of the complexity that doesn't solve all of the complexity that you have to deal with when doing this you have to deal with when doing this you have to deal with when doing this and so it's just kind of one of those and so it's just kind of one of those and so it's just kind of one of those giant Iceberg features like you know a giant Iceberg features like you know a giant Iceberg features like you know a certain percentage of people would just certain percentage of people would just certain percentage of people would just toggle it on like sure send a text toggle it on like sure send a text toggle it on like sure send a text message yeah why not and maybe not even message yeah why not and maybe not even message yeah why not and maybe not even give much thought to it but under the give much thought to it but under the give much thought to it but under the covers there's so much complexity to

covers there's so much complexity to covers there's so much complexity to maintain um and there are honestly other maintain um and there are honestly other maintain um and there are honestly other ways around it too people can accomplish ways around it too people can accomplish ways around it too people can accomplish this with zapier you know there's this with zapier you know there's this with zapier you know there's there's different Integrations that you there's different Integrations that you there's different Integrations that you can connect to your zapier account so if can connect to your zapier account so if can connect to your zapier account so if you really need this you can do it today you really need this you can do it today you really need this you can do it today and I would kind of much rather push and I would kind of much rather push and I would kind of much rather push that complexity off to zappier for for that complexity off to zappier for for that complexity off to zappier for for the foreseeable future the foreseeable future the foreseeable future yeah and and with an N of two one being yeah and and with an N of two one being yeah and and with an N of two one being you and me being the second one I would you and me being the second one I would you and me being the second one I would never use that feature and so I wonder never use that feature and so I wonder never use that feature and so I wonder if and and you know we uh Tiny Seed if and and you know we uh Tiny Seed if and and you know we uh Tiny Seed microcom are obviously a saval customer microcom are obviously a saval customer microcom are obviously a saval customer yeah and so does it you know would it yeah and so does it you know would it yeah and so does it you know would it attract the right kind of customers attract the right kind of customers attract the right kind of customers going back to the feature you know that going back to the feature you know that going back to the feature you know that you said earlier and obviously you know you said earlier and obviously you know you said earlier and obviously you know if you listen to this podcast it's like if you listen to this podcast it's like if you listen to this podcast it's like two people does not a focus group make two people does not a focus group make two people does not a focus group make but it but it is I can imagine you know but it but it is I can imagine you know but it but it is I can imagine you know my uncle who's a realtor wanting to turn my uncle who's a realtor wanting to turn my uncle who's a realtor wanting to turn that on right and it's like is that that on right and it's like is that that on right and it's like is that where Sav wants to be right now because where Sav wants to be right now because where Sav wants to be right now because I think more perhaps sophisticated like I think more perhaps sophisticated like I think more perhaps sophisticated like Founders entrepreneurs Executives Tech Founders entrepreneurs Executives Tech Founders entrepreneurs Executives Tech entrepreneur tech tech se you know uh entrepreneur tech tech se you know uh entrepreneur tech tech se you know uh senior leaders whatever you know it is senior leaders whatever you know it is senior leaders whatever you know it is that you're focused on a saval those that you're focused on a saval those that you're focused on a saval those folks are probably more in our line folks are probably more in our line folks are probably more in our line where they you know in our uh situation where they you know in our uh situation where they you know in our uh situation where I I'm also in front of my calendar where I I'm also in front of my calendar where I I'm also in front of my calendar all day and my phone buzzes with a all day and my phone buzzes with a all day and my phone buzzes with a little reminder and that's all I need little reminder and that's all I need little reminder and that's all I need and you know y another one that kind of and you know y another one that kind of and you know y another one that kind of comes to mind um is so some people use comes to mind um is so some people use comes to mind um is so some people use Savvy Cal a very small percentage of our Savvy Cal a very small percentage of our Savvy Cal a very small percentage of our customers use Savvy Cal for a lot of customers use Savvy Cal for a lot of customers use Savvy Cal for a lot of internal scheduling which you know internal scheduling which you know internal scheduling which you know theoretically is a pretty powerful way theoretically is a pretty powerful way theoretically is a pretty powerful way to use it right like you share a booking to use it right like you share a booking to use it right like you share a booking link to someone inside internal to your

link to someone inside internal to your link to someone inside internal to your company and they can use that as sort of company and they can use that as sort of company and they can use that as sort of a curated window into your availability a curated window into your availability a curated window into your availability um even though most most companies of of um even though most most companies of of um even though most most companies of of a certain size these days are either a certain size these days are either a certain size these days are either using the built-in Google Calendar um using the built-in Google Calendar um using the built-in Google Calendar um sharing technology Microsoft Outlook has sharing technology Microsoft Outlook has sharing technology Microsoft Outlook has it also so there's like a lot of it also so there's like a lot of it also so there's like a lot of sophisticated tooling built up in those sophisticated tooling built up in those sophisticated tooling built up in those ecosystems around you know sharing ecosystems around you know sharing ecosystems around you know sharing calendars with your colleagues and calendars with your colleagues and calendars with your colleagues and adding colleagues and finding times that adding colleagues and finding times that adding colleagues and finding times that work for everybody and doing Collective work for everybody and doing Collective work for everybody and doing Collective scheduling like so a lot of these scheduling like so a lot of these scheduling like so a lot of these problems are sort of already solved problems are sort of already solved problems are sort of already solved which is why I've been hesitant to try which is why I've been hesitant to try which is why I've been hesitant to try to Bild saval as an ideal solution for to Bild saval as an ideal solution for to Bild saval as an ideal solution for doing internal scheduling you know it's doing internal scheduling you know it's doing internal scheduling you know it's like you can use it for that but it's like you can use it for that but it's like you can use it for that but it's probably not going to be better than the probably not going to be better than the probably not going to be better than the built-in bundled um Solutions into into built-in bundled um Solutions into into built-in bundled um Solutions into into the ecosystem and like I had some reest the ecosystem and like I had some reest the ecosystem and like I had some reest the other day from a customer that he the other day from a customer that he the other day from a customer that he was asking for the ability for events was asking for the ability for events was asking for the ability for events created by saval to be editable by created by saval to be editable by created by saval to be editable by anybody added on the calendar invite anybody added on the calendar invite anybody added on the calendar invite which struck me as curious so I I dug which struck me as curious so I I dug which struck me as curious so I I dug into it a little bit and asked him some into it a little bit and asked him some into it a little bit and asked him some more questions and discovered that he more questions and discovered that he more questions and discovered that he was basically using this as a way to to was basically using this as a way to to was basically using this as a way to to put time to use round robin and put time put time to use round robin and put time put time to use round robin and put time on one of their internal team members on one of their internal team members on one of their internal team members calendars and and then from that point calendars and and then from that point calendars and and then from that point that person would sort of take ownership that person would sort of take ownership that person would sort of take ownership of the calendar event and you know of the calendar event and you know of the calendar event and you know literally take ownership of the event literally take ownership of the event literally take ownership of the event like it would get transferred so that like it would get transferred so that like it would get transferred so that would sever our connection to the event would sever our connection to the event would sever our connection to the event cuz it would get a new owner in the cuz it would get a new owner in the cuz it would get a new owner in the calendar system and then they would add calendar system and then they would add calendar system and then they would add external people onto the calendar event

external people onto the calendar event external people onto the calendar event and reschedule it if needed this was and reschedule it if needed this was and reschedule it if needed this was just causing all kinds of problems with just causing all kinds of problems with just causing all kinds of problems with our ability to stay in sync with that our ability to stay in sync with that our ability to stay in sync with that calendar event and I thought for a calendar event and I thought for a calendar event and I thought for a second like we need to solve some of second like we need to solve some of second like we need to solve some of these problems and maybe add a setting these problems and maybe add a setting these problems and maybe add a setting to allow it to be editable but then to allow it to be editable but then to allow it to be editable but then realize like for anyone who's doing realize like for anyone who's doing realize like for anyone who's doing the traditional path of like sending a the traditional path of like sending a the traditional path of like sending a link scheduling something with an link scheduling something with an link scheduling something with an external party you would never want it external party you would never want it external party you would never want it to be fully editable by all parties and to be fully editable by all parties and to be fully editable by all parties and a lot of these other problems just a lot of these other problems just a lot of these other problems just simply don't surface for that for that simply don't surface for that for that simply don't surface for that for that happy path right and when that comes up happy path right and when that comes up happy path right and when that comes up you know you have to say oh is this a you know you have to say oh is this a you know you have to say oh is this a new market that we should build for like new market that we should build for like new market that we should build for like is this a use case that no one has been is this a use case that no one has been is this a use case that no one has been paying attention to and this can open up paying attention to and this can open up paying attention to and this can open up a bunch of new customers and are these a a bunch of new customers and are these a a bunch of new customers and are these a customers we want to work with can this customers we want to work with can this customers we want to work with can this help alter my vision right you have a help alter my vision right you have a help alter my vision right you have a pretty strong vision your product I'm pretty strong vision your product I'm pretty strong vision your product I'm the same way and sometimes you get a the same way and sometimes you get a the same way and sometimes you get a feature request and you're like that's feature request and you're like that's feature request and you're like that's not in my vision but should it be is not in my vision but should it be is not in my vision but should it be is this such an opportunity like building this such an opportunity like building this such an opportunity like building workflows like building automations you workflows like building automations you workflows like building automations you know it's like that this could this know it's like that this could this know it's like that this could this changes the whole Direction but it it changes the whole Direction but it it changes the whole Direction but it it could be amazing or is this one of those could be amazing or is this one of those could be amazing or is this one of those things I'm going to add that I'm going things I'm going to add that I'm going things I'm going to add that I'm going to regret because one person wanted it to regret because one person wanted it to regret because one person wanted it or the people who do want it are just or the people who do want it are just or the people who do want it are just not good fits for us or they're using it not good fits for us or they're using it not good fits for us or they're using it in a way that really that's not where in a way that really that's not where in a way that really that's not where we're headed you know we can grow faster we're headed you know we can grow faster we're headed you know we can grow faster we can get more customers through other we can get more customers through other we can get more customers through other you know other easier wins mhm and you know other easier wins mhm and you know other easier wins mhm and that's where like yeah it's it's that's where like yeah it's it's that's where like yeah it's it's important not to get too myopic important not to get too myopic important not to get too myopic sometimes you do you do want to keep an sometimes you do you do want to keep an sometimes you do you do want to keep an open mind right um and especially I open mind right um and especially I open mind right um and especially I think as a pretty horizontally think as a pretty horizontally think as a pretty horizontally positioned product there's all the more

positioned product there's all the more positioned product there's all the more I guess it's it's more difficult to to I guess it's it's more difficult to to I guess it's it's more difficult to to know whether you're making the right know whether you're making the right know whether you're making the right decisions in general because you have a decisions in general because you have a decisions in general because you have a lot of different you have a variety of lot of different you have a variety of lot of different you have a variety of people using the product most savic Cal people using the product most savic Cal people using the product most savic Cal users care about creating an optimal users care about creating an optimal users care about creating an optimal booking experience but they are booking experience but they are booking experience but they are horizontal across a lot of different horizontal across a lot of different horizontal across a lot of different Industries use cases so like making sure Industries use cases so like making sure Industries use cases so like making sure you're staying in line with what your you're staying in line with what your you're staying in line with what your Market needs is extra difficult when Market needs is extra difficult when Market needs is extra difficult when you're positioned in this way um which you're positioned in this way um which you're positioned in this way um which is why I'm a big fan of of logging most is why I'm a big fan of of logging most is why I'm a big fan of of logging most things U this is runs counter to that things U this is runs counter to that things U this is runs counter to that traditional like 37 signals wisdom of traditional like 37 signals wisdom of traditional like 37 signals wisdom of like never write down a feature request like never write down a feature request like never write down a feature request and just expect it to resurface if it's and just expect it to resurface if it's and just expect it to resurface if it's important uh I used to I used to think important uh I used to I used to think important uh I used to I used to think that way but more and more I don't trust that way but more and more I don't trust that way but more and more I don't trust my own brain to remember when when my own brain to remember when when my own brain to remember when when certain Trends start to emerge because certain Trends start to emerge because certain Trends start to emerge because there's so much noise all the time so I there's so much noise all the time so I there's so much noise all the time so I like to log these in in a place I use like to log these in in a place I use like to log these in in a place I use our backlog for it some people are our backlog for it some people are our backlog for it some people are viscerally opposed to that but you know viscerally opposed to that but you know viscerally opposed to that but you know even just a spreadsheet could be a good even just a spreadsheet could be a good even just a spreadsheet could be a good place to just kind of keep track like place to just kind of keep track like place to just kind of keep track like how many times has this come up has this how many times has this come up has this how many times has this come up has this come up more recently should I be come up more recently should I be come up more recently should I be thinking strategically about like thinking strategically about like thinking strategically about like potentially building this thing and potentially building this thing and potentially building this thing and that's just helpful and I review it that's just helpful and I review it that's just helpful and I review it periodically and just uh kind of keep it periodically and just uh kind of keep it periodically and just uh kind of keep it fresh in my mind yeah I can imagine much fresh in my mind yeah I can imagine much fresh in my mind yeah I can imagine much like I will take notes on anything like I will take notes on anything like I will take notes on anything whether when I used to think of business whether when I used to think of business whether when I used to think of business ideas or now I'll think of like oh this ideas or now I'll think of like oh this ideas or now I'll think of like oh this interesting marketing approach or maybe interesting marketing approach or maybe interesting marketing approach or maybe I should write a book chapter about this I should write a book chapter about this I should write a book chapter about this record a podcast episode about this record a podcast episode about this record a podcast episode about this crazy topic and I just write all that crazy topic and I just write all that crazy topic and I just write all that stuff down in notebooks and periodically stuff down in notebooks and periodically stuff down in notebooks and periodically just like it's a backlog it's a backlog just like it's a backlog it's a backlog just like it's a backlog it's a backlog of ideas and periodically I revisit them of ideas and periodically I revisit them of ideas and periodically I revisit them and usually it's like that's not a good and usually it's like that's not a good and usually it's like that's not a good idea and here's why but any year it

idea and here's why but any year it idea and here's why but any year it might be a good idea because you might might be a good idea because you might might be a good idea because you might change direction you know strategy change direction you know strategy change direction you know strategy changes over time and the direction of changes over time and the direction of changes over time and the direction of your product and your vision it can your product and your vision it can your product and your vision it can change so I can see that being valuable change so I can see that being valuable change so I can see that being valuable in a minute Dereck and I talk about in a minute Dereck and I talk about in a minute Dereck and I talk about using what I call the founder filter to using what I call the founder filter to using what I call the founder filter to find product Market fit but first if find product Market fit but first if find product Market fit but first if you've enjoyed this 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right that as I remember being a like a brand new baby founder and just like a brand new baby founder and just like a brand new baby founder and just feature request and was like I just feature request and was like I just feature request and was like I just build I'm going to just build everything build I'm going to just build everything build I'm going to just build everything people want and that's that's all thing people want and that's that's all thing people want and that's that's all thing that's where I struggle with like the that's where I struggle with like the that's where I struggle with like the customer development or leaning too much customer development or leaning too much customer development or leaning too much into just build what your customers want into just build what your customers want into just build what your customers want and then you'll hit product Market fit and then you'll hit product Market fit and then you'll hit product Market fit because I that's not I don't think because I that's not I don't think because I that's not I don't think that's actually true you have to have that's actually true you have to have that's actually true you have to have that filter that founder filter to to that filter that founder filter to to that filter that founder filter to to keep that Vision in line you know and to keep that Vision in line you know and to keep that Vision in line you know and to keep the product going in a direction keep the product going in a direction keep the product going in a direction that doesn't just duplicate all your that doesn't just duplicate all your that doesn't just duplicate all your competitors which is often what like competitors which is often what like competitors which is often what like less technical users want so more less technical users want so more less technical users want so more technical users often want you to just technical users often want you to just technical users often want you to just build that's just way too complicated build that's just way too complicated build that's just way too complicated you know and your power users can push you know and your power users can push you know and your power users can push you in a direction where it's like you you in a direction where it's like you you in a direction where it's like you built an build an unusable product or a

built an build an unusable product or a built an build an unusable product or a product that then no one else wants to product that then no one else wants to product that then no one else wants to you know there's all these dangers with you know there's all these dangers with you know there's all these dangers with listening to every request uh a customer listening to every request uh a customer listening to every request uh a customer makes there's a reason you're the makes there's a reason you're the makes there's a reason you're the founder and your customers are not of of founder and your customers are not of of founder and your customers are not of of your particular company you know it's your particular company you know it's your particular company you know it's like you like you like you have to like much like guarding the have to like much like guarding the have to like much like guarding the quality of your code base we have to quality of your code base we have to quality of your code base we have to guard the quality of our product right guard the quality of our product right guard the quality of our product right the the ux and the Clutter and the the the the ux and the Clutter and the the the the ux and the Clutter and the the overwhelm that can happen by just overwhelm that can happen by just overwhelm that can happen by just putting a bunch of settings everywhere putting a bunch of settings everywhere putting a bunch of settings everywhere yeah I mean it's pretty it's a pretty yeah I mean it's pretty it's a pretty yeah I mean it's pretty it's a pretty common Trope but learning when to say no common Trope but learning when to say no common Trope but learning when to say no is just extremely valuable because you is just extremely valuable because you is just extremely valuable because you can't be everything for everyone and can't be everything for everyone and can't be everything for everyone and it's hard to resist that Temptation it's hard to resist that Temptation it's hard to resist that Temptation especially early on when you're just especially early on when you're just especially early on when you're just clamoring to get any customers to pay clamoring to get any customers to pay clamoring to get any customers to pay you and try to get some kind of traction you and try to get some kind of traction you and try to get some kind of traction like it's it's very difficult um to like it's it's very difficult um to like it's it's very difficult um to stick to your vision and know when to stick to your vision and know when to stick to your vision and know when to say no to certain things but um say no to certain things but um say no to certain things but um especially as and I think that part in especially as and I think that part in especially as and I think that part in one sense gets a little easier as you go one sense gets a little easier as you go one sense gets a little easier as you go and you have more traction you have a and you have more traction you have a and you have more traction you have a better sense of who your Market is um so better sense of who your Market is um so better sense of who your Market is um so it's it's not for the faint of heart in it's it's not for the faint of heart in it's it's not for the faint of heart in the early days to to try to solve that the early days to to try to solve that the early days to to try to solve that equation um but uh yeah that's just an equation um but uh yeah that's just an equation um but uh yeah that's just an important skill to to develop and as you important skill to to develop and as you important skill to to develop and as you said it does get easier it's really hard said it does get easier it's really hard said it does get easier it's really hard in the early days and then you're a year in the early days and then you're a year in the early days and then you're a year two three in I think the filtering two three in I think the filtering two three in I think the filtering process is much easier Tim Cook apple he process is much easier Tim Cook apple he process is much easier Tim Cook apple he says there will always be more great says there will always be more great says there will always be more great ideas than we can implement we are going ideas than we can implement we are going ideas than we can implement we are going to have to say no to some great ideas to have to say no to some great ideas to have to say no to some great ideas and I I think that's being an and I I think that's being an and I I think that's being an entrepreneur as well I hope you enjoyed entrepreneur as well I hope you enjoyed entrepreneur as well I hope you enjoyed this video check out this next one if this video check out this next one if this video check out this next one if you want to learn more about how Derrick you want to learn more about how Derrick you want to learn more about how Derrick and I built drip an email automation and I built drip an 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