Can a Camera on Every Corner Make Us Safer? | Garrett Langley | TED

I'm going to start with a story um I'm going to start with a story um speaking to a grandmother in rural speaking to a grandmother in rural speaking to a grandmother in rural Tennessee and she was taking care of her Tennessee and she was taking care of her Tennessee and she was taking care of her 11-year-old granddaughter. 11-year-old granddaughter. 11-year-old granddaughter. So, she wakes up, she walks into her So, she wakes up, she walks into her So, she wakes up, she walks into her room. room. room. The bed's empty. She looks around. The bed's empty. She looks around. The bed's empty. She looks around. There's no note. There's nothing. If There's no note. There's nothing. If There's no note. There's nothing. If your heart's not racing right now, your heart's not racing right now, your heart's not racing right now, should be. She calls 911. should be. She calls 911. should be. She calls 911. detective arrives. [snorts] No sign of detective arrives. [snorts] No sign of detective arrives. [snorts] No sign of force. There's nothing except one thing force. There's nothing except one thing force. There's nothing except one thing that he remembered. There's a flock that he remembered. There's a flock that he remembered. There's a flock camera just down the street. So, he camera just down the street. So, he camera just down the street. So, he pulls out his phone and runs a search pulls out his phone and runs a search pulls out his phone and runs a search for the night and finds one car. for the night and finds one car. for the night and finds one car. He runs that tag and it's his worst He runs that tag and it's his worst He runs that tag and it's his worst nightmare. It's a registered sex nightmare. It's a registered sex nightmare. It's a registered sex offender. So, he logs into Flock and and offender. So, he logs into Flock and and offender. So, he logs into Flock and and he's looking for this car and he sees he's looking for this car and he sees he's looking for this car and he sees the car is traveling down I75. If you're the car is traveling down I75. If you're the car is traveling down I75. If you're not familiar with Tennessee and Georgia, not familiar with Tennessee and Georgia, not familiar with Tennessee and Georgia, that's the connecting state. It's the that's the connecting state. It's the that's the connecting state. It's the highway. The person's on the highway. highway. The person's on the highway. highway. The person's on the highway. The detective doesn't know what to do, The detective doesn't know what to do, The detective doesn't know what to do, so he does whatever hero does is he so he does whatever hero does is he so he does whatever hero does is he moves into action. He jumps in his car moves into action. He jumps in his car moves into action. He jumps in his car and races down I75.

and races down I75. and races down I75. As he approaches the interstate line, he As he approaches the interstate line, he As he approaches the interstate line, he sees the vehicle. sees the vehicle. sees the vehicle. Violent struggles pursues and at the Violent struggles pursues and at the Violent struggles pursues and at the end, he hears crying. end, he hears crying. end, he hears crying. And the girl's in the back. She's bound, And the girl's in the back. She's bound, And the girl's in the back. She's bound, but she's alive. but she's alive. but she's alive. They went on to go search the suspect's They went on to go search the suspect's They went on to go search the suspect's house, house, house, and the nightmare got scarier. and the nightmare got scarier. and the nightmare got scarier. Everything one would need to not only Everything one would need to not only Everything one would need to not only assault, but dispose of the body was assault, but dispose of the body was assault, but dispose of the body was there. there. there. Now, that girl's alive today because a Now, that girl's alive today because a Now, that girl's alive today because a detective had two things. He had a detective had two things. He had a detective had two things. He had a license plate and he had direction to license plate and he had direction to license plate and he had direction to travel. This, for me, is one of travel. This, for me, is one of travel. This, for me, is one of thousands of stories I sadly hear about thousands of stories I sadly hear about thousands of stories I sadly hear about every day in America. I started Flock 9 every day in America. I started Flock 9 every day in America. I started Flock 9 years ago because of this exact type of years ago because of this exact type of years ago because of this exact type of problem. See, I live in in a city called problem. See, I live in in a city called problem. See, I live in in a city called Atlanta, and I was frustrated. Crime Atlanta, and I was frustrated. Crime Atlanta, and I was frustrated. Crime felt too easy to get away with. It felt too easy to get away with. It felt too easy to get away with. It didn't make sense to me that you could didn't make sense to me that you could didn't make sense to me that you could steal someone's car and have an 80% steal someone's car and have an 80% steal someone's car and have an 80% chance of getting away with it. Or you chance of getting away with it. Or you chance of getting away with it. Or you could kill someone and have a 50% chance could kill someone and have a 50% chance could kill someone and have a 50% chance of getting away with it. So, I kept of getting away with it. So, I kept of getting away with it. So, I kept pushing. I kept pushing and eventually I pushing. I kept pushing and eventually I pushing. I kept pushing and eventually I found a major Atlanta Police Department found a major Atlanta Police Department found a major Atlanta Police Department who told me, "Mr. Langley, it's not who told me, "Mr. Langley, it's not who told me, "Mr. Langley, it's not apathy. It's not effort, it's evidence.

apathy. It's not effort, it's evidence. apathy. It's not effort, it's evidence. If all we had was a license plate, we If all we had was a license plate, we If all we had was a license plate, we could catch these people. So, I I did could catch these people. So, I I did could catch these people. So, I I did what engineers did. I built a license what engineers did. I built a license what engineers did. I built a license plate reading camera. It sounds simple. plate reading camera. It sounds simple. plate reading camera. It sounds simple. Um, but I called two of my best friends Um, but I called two of my best friends Um, but I called two of my best friends from Georgia Tech and we built this from Georgia Tech and we built this from Georgia Tech and we built this camera. He said, "You have to have a camera. He said, "You have to have a camera. He said, "You have to have a license plate." So, we did that, put it license plate." So, we did that, put it license plate." So, we did that, put it up in my neighborhood, and about two up in my neighborhood, and about two up in my neighborhood, and about two months later, we solved our first crime. months later, we solved our first crime. months later, we solved our first crime. And that was the beginning of Flock. And And that was the beginning of Flock. And And that was the beginning of Flock. And now, as you've heard, the company has now, as you've heard, the company has now, as you've heard, the company has grown quite a bit since then. We do more grown quite a bit since then. We do more grown quite a bit since then. We do more than cameras. We build cameras now. We than cameras. We build cameras now. We than cameras. We build cameras now. We build drones. We build audio detection build drones. We build audio detection build drones. We build audio detection devices. We build software that connects devices. We build software that connects devices. We build software that connects it all together. And the concept is it all together. And the concept is it all together. And the concept is actually still this simple 9 years actually still this simple 9 years actually still this simple 9 years later. Car drives by. We do what we call later. Car drives by. We do what we call later. Car drives by. We do what we call a vehicle signature. We look for the a vehicle signature. We look for the a vehicle signature. We look for the make, the model, the color, anything a make, the model, the color, anything a make, the model, the color, anything a detective would notice. detective would notice. detective would notice. And then you catch the bad guy. And And then you catch the bad guy. And And then you catch the bad guy. And that's what I thought we were doing, that's what I thought we were doing, that's what I thought we were doing, right? And then I was speaking to a right? And then I was speaking to a right? And then I was speaking to a police chief not too far from here in police chief not too far from here in police chief not too far from here in Washington. And he said, "No, no, Mr. Washington. And he said, "No, no, Mr. Washington. And he said, "No, no, Mr. Langley, this is more than about Langley, this is more than about Langley, this is more than about fighting crime. This is as fighting crime. This is as fighting crime. This is as transformational as DNA."

transformational as DNA." transformational as DNA." And candidly, I was confused. It's a And candidly, I was confused. It's a And candidly, I was confused. It's a camera. What's the What's the rub? And camera. What's the What's the rub? And camera. What's the What's the rub? And he said, "Well, look, let me explain to he said, "Well, look, let me explain to he said, "Well, look, let me explain to you how poling used to work." you how poling used to work." you how poling used to work." Historically, poling is a subjective Historically, poling is a subjective Historically, poling is a subjective exercise. You drive around suspicious exercise. You drive around suspicious exercise. You drive around suspicious neighborhoods looking for suspicious neighborhoods looking for suspicious neighborhoods looking for suspicious activity, and ah, there is the root of activity, and ah, there is the root of activity, and ah, there is the root of the bias. what's suspicious to me is the bias. what's suspicious to me is the bias. what's suspicious to me is different than her and different than different than her and different than different than her and different than him. That doesn't seem very good. And so him. That doesn't seem very good. And so him. That doesn't seem very good. And so the chief was explaining to me that now the chief was explaining to me that now the chief was explaining to me that now with Flock, it's objective. with Flock, it's objective. with Flock, it's objective. That is a stolen car. That is a car that That is a stolen car. That is a car that That is a stolen car. That is a car that has a child in the back of it. That is has a child in the back of it. That is has a child in the back of it. That is the car that has an Amber Alert or a the car that has an Amber Alert or a the car that has an Amber Alert or a silver alert. So we've moved the way silver alert. So we've moved the way silver alert. So we've moved the way policing works. policing works. policing works. It's pretty incredible. But let me give It's pretty incredible. But let me give It's pretty incredible. But let me give you a real life example. So now we're you a real life example. So now we're you a real life example. So now we're going to go all the way to Colorado. So, going to go all the way to Colorado. So, going to go all the way to Colorado. So, it's a 911 call. It's a Levis outlet. it's a 911 call. It's a Levis outlet. it's a 911 call. It's a Levis outlet. And and this might be the most important And and this might be the most important And and this might be the most important thing I say all day. The 911 is thing I say all day. The 911 is thing I say all day. The 911 is describing the getaway car as a white describing the getaway car as a white describing the getaway car as a white van spray painted black and blue. Here's van spray painted black and blue. Here's van spray painted black and blue. Here's a pro tip. If you're going to commit a a pro tip. If you're going to commit a a pro tip. If you're going to commit a crime, do not spray paint your vehicle.

crime, do not spray paint your vehicle. crime, do not spray paint your vehicle. Do it in a Camry or Corolla. Something Do it in a Camry or Corolla. Something Do it in a Camry or Corolla. Something simple, right? So, the 911 call comes simple, right? So, the 911 call comes simple, right? So, the 911 call comes in. They have this van. So, they go into in. They have this van. So, they go into in. They have this van. So, they go into this our product and search for a this our product and search for a this our product and search for a vehicle. They can type in anything they vehicle. They can type in anything they vehicle. They can type in anything they want. White van, spray paint, anything want. White van, spray paint, anything want. White van, spray paint, anything that makes sense. Now, what's cool is it that makes sense. Now, what's cool is it that makes sense. Now, what's cool is it turns every single camera into a turns every single camera into a turns every single camera into a detective. Now, every camera in the city detective. Now, every camera in the city detective. Now, every camera in the city is looking for this white van. The is looking for this white van. The is looking for this white van. The second thing they do is they launch a second thing they do is they launch a second thing they do is they launch a drone. So, just like Adam, launch the drone. So, just like Adam, launch the drone. So, just like Adam, launch the drone up in the air. The drone's flying drone up in the air. The drone's flying drone up in the air. The drone's flying at 400 ft, 65 mph trying to find this at 400 ft, 65 mph trying to find this at 400 ft, 65 mph trying to find this white van. Now, a camera eventually white van. Now, a camera eventually white van. Now, a camera eventually finds them. Drone over. Now, in a normal finds them. Drone over. Now, in a normal finds them. Drone over. Now, in a normal reaction, as a law enforcement officer, reaction, as a law enforcement officer, reaction, as a law enforcement officer, you have to assume the worst case you have to assume the worst case you have to assume the worst case scenario. Is this person armed? scenario. Is this person armed? scenario. Is this person armed? Probably. Is the public at risk? Probably. Is the public at risk? Probably. Is the public at risk? Probably. So, you come in hot. But with Probably. So, you come in hot. But with Probably. So, you come in hot. But with a drone overhead flying at 400 feet, the a drone overhead flying at 400 feet, the a drone overhead flying at 400 feet, the suspect has no idea. Officers can suspect has no idea. Officers can suspect has no idea. Officers can respond with precision and with respond with precision and with respond with precision and with calmness. So, from start to finish in 21 calmness. So, from start to finish in 21 calmness. So, from start to finish in 21 minutes, from a 911 call to Levis's minutes, from a 911 call to Levis's minutes, from a 911 call to Levis's outlet, tracking the car all the way to outlet, tracking the car all the way to outlet, tracking the car all the way to a second outlet, there was an arrest.

a second outlet, there was an arrest. a second outlet, there was an arrest. Now, if you zoom this all the way out, Now, if you zoom this all the way out, Now, if you zoom this all the way out, some of the biggest cities in America, some of the biggest cities in America, some of the biggest cities in America, some of the biggest companies in America some of the biggest companies in America some of the biggest companies in America rely on flock to keep them and their rely on flock to keep them and their rely on flock to keep them and their employees and their citizens safe. Two employees and their citizens safe. Two employees and their citizens safe. Two years ago, San Francisco was in a years ago, San Francisco was in a years ago, San Francisco was in a crisis, as many of you probably know. crisis, as many of you probably know. crisis, as many of you probably know. They deployed everything Flock has. They deployed everything Flock has. They deployed everything Flock has. License reading cameras, drones, video License reading cameras, drones, video License reading cameras, drones, video cameras, our software that ties it all cameras, our software that ties it all cameras, our software that ties it all together. And Mayor Lur described this together. And Mayor Lur described this together. And Mayor Lur described this fusion of sensors as a transformation in fusion of sensors as a transformation in fusion of sensors as a transformation in public safety. And if any of you live in public safety. And if any of you live in public safety. And if any of you live in the city, you know that it feels safe. the city, you know that it feels safe. the city, you know that it feels safe. All of a sudden, crime is down 25%. All of a sudden, crime is down 25%. All of a sudden, crime is down 25%. Homicide is the lowest rate it's been in Homicide is the lowest rate it's been in Homicide is the lowest rate it's been in 70 years. So, this all seems really 70 years. So, this all seems really 70 years. So, this all seems really good, right? Well, while the company's good, right? Well, while the company's good, right? Well, while the company's scale has grown and a lot of things have scale has grown and a lot of things have scale has grown and a lot of things have changed for me, one thing's been very changed for me, one thing's been very changed for me, one thing's been very consistent. consistent. consistent. There is inevitably some part of this There is inevitably some part of this There is inevitably some part of this audience today who's saying, "I don't audience today who's saying, "I don't audience today who's saying, "I don't know. This snitching ass startup kind of know. This snitching ass startup kind of know. This snitching ass startup kind of doesn't make sense to me." doesn't make sense to me." doesn't make sense to me." And this was our first ever press And this was our first ever press And this was our first ever press coverage. And I was I was so proud. I coverage. And I was I was so proud. I coverage. And I was I was so proud. I framed this and my my poor mother was framed this and my my poor mother was framed this and my my poor mother was like, "Why are you framing this?" And like, "Why are you framing this?" And like, "Why are you framing this?" And I'm like, "Because it's a reminder that I'm like, "Because it's a reminder that I'm like, "Because it's a reminder that when you work on important things, some when you work on important things, some when you work on important things, some people will disagree and that's okay.

people will disagree and that's okay. people will disagree and that's okay. It means you should work harder." And so It means you should work harder." And so It means you should work harder." And so when I talk to these opponents, and I've when I talk to these opponents, and I've when I talk to these opponents, and I've I've got to know them many of them over I've got to know them many of them over I've got to know them many of them over the years now, they tend to have three the years now, they tend to have three the years now, they tend to have three big issues with flock. Whether this is big issues with flock. Whether this is big issues with flock. Whether this is constitutional violation, what does this constitutional violation, what does this constitutional violation, what does this mean to my privacy? And are you building mean to my privacy? And are you building mean to my privacy? And are you building mass surveillance? These are pretty good mass surveillance? These are pretty good mass surveillance? These are pretty good questions. Let's hit the easy one. questions. Let's hit the easy one. questions. Let's hit the easy one. Constitutional. 30 court cases over the Constitutional. 30 court cases over the Constitutional. 30 court cases over the last two years. Every single one of them last two years. Every single one of them last two years. Every single one of them has unanimously said this does not has unanimously said this does not has unanimously said this does not violate the constitution. Why? We're not violate the constitution. Why? We're not violate the constitution. Why? We're not tracking a person's in real time. We are tracking a person's in real time. We are tracking a person's in real time. We are tracking a fixed location. Not a lawyer, tracking a fixed location. Not a lawyer, tracking a fixed location. Not a lawyer, but I'm going to go with the courts. So, but I'm going to go with the courts. So, but I'm going to go with the courts. So, I'm going to check the box on. Second I'm going to check the box on. Second I'm going to check the box on. Second one's privacy. This is actually a really one's privacy. This is actually a really one's privacy. This is actually a really good question because nine years ago, I good question because nine years ago, I good question because nine years ago, I did not have a degree in criminal did not have a degree in criminal did not have a degree in criminal justice. I had no experience. I was an justice. I had no experience. I was an justice. I had no experience. I was an engineer that just wanted to build a engineer that just wanted to build a engineer that just wanted to build a product to help fight crime. But when we product to help fight crime. But when we product to help fight crime. But when we sat there and said what if we are really sat there and said what if we are really sat there and said what if we are really successful what could go wrong. So we successful what could go wrong. So we successful what could go wrong. So we started looking what the industry did. started looking what the industry did. started looking what the industry did. So the first thing we asked was what So the first thing we asked was what So the first thing we asked was what about data ownership? Who should own about data ownership? Who should own about data ownership? Who should own this data? This is a lot of data. this data? This is a lot of data. this data? This is a lot of data. Historically companies my competitors Historically companies my competitors Historically companies my competitors own the data and then they resell that own the data and then they resell that own the data and then they resell that data for other use cases. In flock model data for other use cases. In flock model data for other use cases. In flock model the customer always own the data. So if the customer always own the data. So if the customer always own the data. So if you live in San Francisco it's San you live in San Francisco it's San you live in San Francisco it's San Francisco's data not flocks. The second Francisco's data not flocks. The second Francisco's data not flocks. The second was retention. Well how long should this was retention. Well how long should this was retention. Well how long should this data exist? Historically, companies in data exist? Historically, companies in data exist? Historically, companies in this industry stored the data in this industry stored the data in this industry stored the data in perpetuity. That seems to me more like a perpetuity. That seems to me more like a perpetuity. That seems to me more like a liability than an asset. So, we delete liability than an asset. So, we delete liability than an asset. So, we delete the data at 30 days. If cities and the data at 30 days. If cities and the data at 30 days. If cities and states have laws that say it should states have laws that say it should states have laws that say it should store longer, we do that. Shorter, we do store longer, we do that. Shorter, we do store longer, we do that. Shorter, we do that. The third is around

that. The third is around that. The third is around accountability. accountability. accountability. With everything that's powerful should With everything that's powerful should With everything that's powerful should come heightened responsibility. Every come heightened responsibility. Every come heightened responsibility. Every action inside a flock is audited and action inside a flock is audited and action inside a flock is audited and stored in perpetuity. to every action an stored in perpetuity. to every action an stored in perpetuity. to every action an officer takes. And sadly, three officers officer takes. And sadly, three officers officer takes. And sadly, three officers were arrested last year for abusing this were arrested last year for abusing this were arrested last year for abusing this system. Now, I I think if anything that system. Now, I I think if anything that system. Now, I I think if anything that speaks very poorly on the law speaks very poorly on the law speaks very poorly on the law enforcement industry, but it is a enforcement industry, but it is a enforcement industry, but it is a reminder that when you build tools to reminder that when you build tools to reminder that when you build tools to hold people accountable, it starts to hold people accountable, it starts to hold people accountable, it starts to work. And then the last one, and this is work. And then the last one, and this is work. And then the last one, and this is the most interesting to me, if you go to the most interesting to me, if you go to the most interesting to me, if you go to a place like the UK, there's 45 police a place like the UK, there's 45 police a place like the UK, there's 45 police departments. You go to Australia, departments. You go to Australia, departments. You go to Australia, there's eight. France, there's two. And there's eight. France, there's two. And there's eight. France, there's two. And does anyone want to guess how many does anyone want to guess how many does anyone want to guess how many police departments are in America? police departments are in America? police departments are in America? You're way off. 18,000. You're way off. 18,000. You're way off. 18,000. Duh. Okay, this is the problem. You Duh. Okay, this is the problem. You Duh. Okay, this is the problem. You literally can commit a crime in city A literally can commit a crime in city A literally can commit a crime in city A and drive to city B and they're like, and drive to city B and they're like, and drive to city B and they're like, "Oh, who are you?" You leave state A to "Oh, who are you?" You leave state A to "Oh, who are you?" You leave state A to state B, and they're like, "We have no state B, and they're like, "We have no state B, and they're like, "We have no record of you." This entire problem is a record of you." This entire problem is a record of you." This entire problem is a data problem. These cities have not data problem. These cities have not data problem. These cities have not historically worked together. They moved historically worked together. They moved historically worked together. They moved to the cloud less than 10 years ago, 5 to the cloud less than 10 years ago, 5 to the cloud less than 10 years ago, 5 years ago. And so one of the biggest years ago. And so one of the biggest years ago. And so one of the biggest criticisms of Flock is that we create criticisms of Flock is that we create criticisms of Flock is that we create this national network of data that this national network of data that this national network of data that allows local law enforcement to work allows local law enforcement to work allows local law enforcement to work together. It's a uniquely American together. It's a uniquely American together. It's a uniquely American problem. Third question that I get, problem. Third question that I get, problem. Third question that I get, right? So we covered the Constitution, right? So we covered the Constitution, right? So we covered the Constitution, we covered privacy. Now the big one, we covered privacy. Now the big one, we covered privacy. Now the big one, surveillance state. Is this a creation surveillance state. Is this a creation surveillance state. Is this a creation of a new surveillance state? You know, of a new surveillance state? You know, of a new surveillance state? You know, look, I think everyone in this room look, I think everyone in this room look, I think everyone in this room probably has a cell phone. And what if I probably has a cell phone. And what if I probably has a cell phone. And what if I told you that someone with mediocre told you that someone with mediocre told you that someone with mediocre computer software skills could build a computer software skills could build a computer software skills could build a product that tracks your exact location

product that tracks your exact location product that tracks your exact location in real time down to a few feet because in real time down to a few feet because in real time down to a few feet because all of you use Google Maps and Uber and all of you use Google Maps and Uber and all of you use Google Maps and Uber and any device that has access to location. any device that has access to location. any device that has access to location. And so I think about the tooling that we And so I think about the tooling that we And so I think about the tooling that we ask our local law enforcement to use and ask our local law enforcement to use and ask our local law enforcement to use and we give them a weapon, we give them a weapon, we give them a weapon, a gun, a taser, yet we're afraid to give a gun, a taser, yet we're afraid to give a gun, a taser, yet we're afraid to give them a camera that reads a license plate them a camera that reads a license plate them a camera that reads a license plate on a public road. I'm not saying that on a public road. I'm not saying that on a public road. I'm not saying that it's not a choice. I'm just saying that it's not a choice. I'm just saying that it's not a choice. I'm just saying that for me, the trade-off is I don't know for me, the trade-off is I don't know for me, the trade-off is I don't know how many more 11-year-old girls need to how many more 11-year-old girls need to how many more 11-year-old girls need to be kidnapped or human trafficking rings be kidnapped or human trafficking rings be kidnapped or human trafficking rings or silver alerts or Amber Alerts we have or silver alerts or Amber Alerts we have or silver alerts or Amber Alerts we have to go through before we say enough is to go through before we say enough is to go through before we say enough is enough. Now the now the beauty of enough. Now the now the beauty of enough. Now the now the beauty of America though is that every city, America though is that every city, America though is that every city, state, county gets to pick. It's not my state, county gets to pick. It's not my state, county gets to pick. It's not my choice. I live in Atlanta. I vote. You choice. I live in Atlanta. I vote. You choice. I live in Atlanta. I vote. You should vote. The challenge is that when should vote. The challenge is that when should vote. The challenge is that when you decrease surveillance and in effect you decrease surveillance and in effect you decrease surveillance and in effect decrease safety, decrease safety, decrease safety, it impacts certain parts of the it impacts certain parts of the it impacts certain parts of the community more than others. If you are community more than others. If you are community more than others. If you are affluent in South Africa, you have 9 affluent in South Africa, you have 9 affluent in South Africa, you have 9 foot walls. You have private security foot walls. You have private security foot walls. You have private security guards. are 600,000 private security guards. are 600,000 private security guards. are 600,000 private security guards in South Africa, more than the guards in South Africa, more than the guards in South Africa, more than the military and police combined. So if you military and police combined. So if you military and police combined. So if you are affluent in South Africa, it is a are affluent in South Africa, it is a are affluent in South Africa, it is a beautiful place to live. You are crime beautiful place to live. You are crime beautiful place to live. You are crime free. And if you are not affluent, crime free. And if you are not affluent, crime free. And if you are not affluent, crime is simply the cost of being alive. Now is simply the cost of being alive. Now is simply the cost of being alive. Now if you transpose that to a place like if you transpose that to a place like if you transpose that to a place like Tokyo, beautiful city, there's a few Tokyo, beautiful city, there's a few Tokyo, beautiful city, there's a few dozen homicides a year. Whether you go dozen homicides a year. Whether you go dozen homicides a year. Whether you go to work at 2 a.m. or 8 a.m., you feel to work at 2 a.m. or 8 a.m., you feel to work at 2 a.m. or 8 a.m., you feel safe. It just doesn't matter. And so safe. It just doesn't matter. And so safe. It just doesn't matter. And so America is this like very interesting

America is this like very interesting America is this like very interesting conundrum in the middle. We have the law conundrum in the middle. We have the law conundrum in the middle. We have the law enforcement infrastructure we need to be enforcement infrastructure we need to be enforcement infrastructure we need to be safe. Yet we haven't made to me the most safe. Yet we haven't made to me the most safe. Yet we haven't made to me the most important decision as a society which is important decision as a society which is important decision as a society which is that safety should not be a privilege. that safety should not be a privilege. that safety should not be a privilege. Safety should just be a right. It should Safety should just be a right. It should Safety should just be a right. It should not matter the color of your skin, your not matter the color of your skin, your not matter the color of your skin, your political affiliation, or your income political affiliation, or your income political affiliation, or your income level. Everyone, in my opinion, deserves level. Everyone, in my opinion, deserves level. Everyone, in my opinion, deserves the right to be safe. Thank you very the right to be safe. Thank you very the right to be safe. Thank you very much. [applause] >> It's so interesting persuasively argued. >> It's so interesting persuasively argued. But when you sell these systems to law But when you sell these systems to law But when you sell these systems to law enforcement, enforcement, enforcement, how how how strongly do you feel you have the right strongly do you feel you have the right strongly do you feel you have the right to limit what they can do? Because you to limit what they can do? Because you to limit what they can do? Because you you've made a powerful case for these you've made a powerful case for these you've made a powerful case for these things used the right way, but everyone things used the right way, but everyone things used the right way, but everyone here can also imagine them used the here can also imagine them used the here can also imagine them used the wrong way. Here's a protest. you know wrong way. Here's a protest. you know wrong way. Here's a protest. you know that cameras do do things that someone's that cameras do do things that someone's that cameras do do things that someone's cell phone doesn't do. You can detect cell phone doesn't do. You can detect cell phone doesn't do. You can detect >> in in the end we're in a world where you >> in in the end we're in a world where you >> in in the end we're in a world where you can detect individuals etc. Are you able can detect individuals etc. Are you able can detect individuals etc. Are you able to restrict what they do or is it just to restrict what they do or is it just to restrict what they do or is it just you sell the system and then it's over you sell the system and then it's over you sell the system and then it's over to you act within the law my friends.

to you act within the law my friends. to you act within the law my friends. >> Yeah. So I actually want to answer your >> Yeah. So I actually want to answer your >> Yeah. So I actually want to answer your question in two parts. The first is when question in two parts. The first is when question in two parts. The first is when I I was having this debate with our team I I was having this debate with our team I I was having this debate with our team because people were asking why do some because people were asking why do some because people were asking why do some people dislike flock but not these other people dislike flock but not these other people dislike flock but not these other things. I said you can see flock. I things. I said you can see flock. I things. I said you can see flock. I guarantee you if you go to our website guarantee you if you go to our website guarantee you if you go to our website and look at what our camera looks like and look at what our camera looks like and look at what our camera looks like and you go back home if you live in and you go back home if you live in and you go back home if you live in America, you will see our cameras America, you will see our cameras America, you will see our cameras everywhere. They're easy to spot, but everywhere. They're easy to spot, but everywhere. They're easy to spot, but your cell phone you just you're your cell phone you just you're your cell phone you just you're oblivious to all the tracking that oblivious to all the tracking that oblivious to all the tracking that exists online. So, you forget about it. exists online. So, you forget about it. exists online. So, you forget about it. But to answer your question, um we do But to answer your question, um we do But to answer your question, um we do have restrictions. Now, obviously have restrictions. Now, obviously have restrictions. Now, obviously there's this thing called the there's this thing called the there's this thing called the constitution which we care a lot about. constitution which we care a lot about. constitution which we care a lot about. There's state law, there's local law, There's state law, there's local law, There's state law, there's local law, but then there's things that we just but then there's things that we just but then there's things that we just don't feel comfortable with. And so we don't feel comfortable with. And so we don't feel comfortable with. And so we do set in kind of our own policy do set in kind of our own policy do set in kind of our own policy framework and then just like most framework and then just like most framework and then just like most technology companies, we have a full technology companies, we have a full technology companies, we have a full team of attorneys who actually think team of attorneys who actually think team of attorneys who actually think about this stuff full-time because our about this stuff full-time because our about this stuff full-time because our customers are just not customers are just not customers are just not >> that far the adoption curve. >> that far the adoption curve. >> that far the adoption curve. >> I mean, how often do do you or someone >> I mean, how often do do you or someone >> I mean, how often do do you or someone on your team hear of something that is on your team hear of something that is on your team hear of something that is being done with your technology that being done with your technology that being done with your technology that makes you uncomfortable? makes you uncomfortable? makes you uncomfortable? >> Three times last year. >> Three times last year. >> Three times last year. >> Like to me it it is horrible that in the >> Like to me it it is horrible that in the >> Like to me it it is horrible that in the case was I'll pick on my own home state case was I'll pick on my own home state case was I'll pick on my own home state because I live in Georgia. Uh, there was because I live in Georgia. Uh, there was because I live in Georgia. Uh, there was a police chief in Northern Georgia that a police chief in Northern Georgia that a police chief in Northern Georgia that used Flock to track an ex partner. It's used Flock to track an ex partner. It's used Flock to track an ex partner. It's It's horrible. But then I'm reminded It's horrible. But then I'm reminded It's horrible. But then I'm reminded that the GBI used Flock's audit log to that the GBI used Flock's audit log to that the GBI used Flock's audit log to investigate that chief and he's now in investigate that chief and he's now in investigate that chief and he's now in jail. And and so I think the thing I jail. And and so I think the thing I jail. And and so I think the thing I think about to your question is like if think about to your question is like if think about to your question is like if Flock did not exist, he was probably a Flock did not exist, he was probably a Flock did not exist, he was probably a bad person. He was going to do this one bad person. He was going to do this one bad person. He was going to do this one way or another. And so I look at the 1 way or another. And so I look at the 1 way or another. And so I look at the 1 million plus cases and go, okay, this is million plus cases and go, okay, this is million plus cases and go, okay, this is a trade-off that I can make, but that's

a trade-off that I can make, but that's a trade-off that I can make, but that's my choice. my choice. my choice. >> You've got such a powerful technology >> You've got such a powerful technology >> You've got such a powerful technology and it's very cool to hear you open to and it's very cool to hear you open to and it's very cool to hear you open to having these discussions. Garrett, thank having these discussions. Garrett, thank having these discussions. Garrett, thank you so much. you so much. you so much. >> Thank you very much. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Thank you. [applause] [applause] [applause] >> That was a heavy one, right? Like we're >> That was a heavy one, right? Like we're >> That was a heavy one, right? Like we're all facing this question with ubiquitous all facing this question with ubiquitous all facing this question with ubiquitous surveillance. And look, think about it. surveillance. And look, think about it. surveillance. And look, think about it. It's totally legal to film in public It's totally legal to film in public It's totally legal to film in public places, but now we have these AI enabled places, but now we have these AI enabled places, but now we have these AI enabled cameras that are tracking every single cameras that are tracking every single cameras that are tracking every single person or vehicle that drives by. And person or vehicle that drives by. And person or vehicle that drives by. And then when something goes down, you have then when something goes down, you have then when something goes down, you have a drone that from really high altitude a drone that from really high altitude a drone that from really high altitude can zoom in and track a suspect. Like can zoom in and track a suspect. Like can zoom in and track a suspect. Like this is insane technology that exists this is insane technology that exists this is insane technology that exists today. This is obviously a controversial today. This is obviously a controversial today. This is obviously a controversial topic and people are on different sides topic and people are on different sides topic and people are on different sides of this. But at TED, we want to hear of this. But at TED, we want to hear of this. But at TED, we want to hear arguments on both sides. Most people arguments on both sides. Most people arguments on both sides. Most people want to live in a world that is free want to live in a world that is free want to live in a world that is free from crime. At the same time, nobody from crime. At the same time, nobody from crime. At the same time, nobody wants to live in a perpetual panopticon wants to live in a perpetual panopticon wants to live in a perpetual panopticon where every move that you do is where every move that you do is where every move that you do is surveiled. And a lot of the double-edged surveiled. And a lot of the double-edged surveiled. And a lot of the double-edged nature of this technology comes down to nature of this technology comes down to nature of this technology comes down to the people that are using the tools, the people that are using the tools, the people that are using the tools, right? like who gets the keys to the right? like who gets the keys to the right? like who gets the keys to the castle and how are they deploying this castle and how are they deploying this castle and how are they deploying this technology. The best thing we can do is technology. The best thing we can do is technology. The best thing we can do is draw awareness to these issues and have draw awareness to these issues and have draw awareness to these issues and have a conversation around it because the a conversation around it because the a conversation around it because the technology is one thing but the question technology is one thing but the question technology is one thing but the question about how we utilize it in day-to-day about how we utilize it in day-to-day about how we utilize it in day-to-day society is a collective conversation. So society is a collective conversation. So society is a collective conversation. So regardless of where you fall in the regardless of where you fall in the regardless of where you fall in the issue, we want to hear from you. So let issue, we want to hear from you. So let issue, we want to hear from you. So let us know your thoughts. I hope you us know your thoughts. I hope you us know your thoughts. I hope you enjoyed